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Post by: Socapro on October 27, 2014, 09:40:17 AM
By Anna Ramdass (T&T Express)
Story Created: Oct 26, 2014 at 10:39 PM ECT
In two weeks time the People’s National Movement (PNM) will share its policy document “Vision 2030” on the way forward for this country, political leader Dr Keith Rowley has said.
He was speaking at the PNM’s 45th annual convention at the Hyatt Regency hotel, Wrightson Road, Port of Spain yesterday where hundreds of party delegates attended to discuss policies as they relate to the various sectors in the country such as national security, health, education, etc.
Rowley said the question has been asked as to what are the PNM’s policies and plans.
He said history has shown that the PNM has always been prepared for government and to conduct the business of the State.
Rowley said you would never find a PNM government coming into office and Ministers are doing their own thing, creating policy ‘’on the hoof” and a Prime Minister having to reshuffle the Cabinet every nine months because of incompetence.
He said as the country moves forward to general elections 2015, the PNM can state with confidence that it knows what to do to improve the lives of the people of the country.
Rowley said the PNM was not just about contesting and winning elections or bad mouthing their opponents, “we are about doing what’s best for Trinidad and Tobago and that’s why we stayed the course”.
He said the PNM will not run from problems but will address them head on.
Crime, he said, will always remain the number one priority of any government.
Noting the over 300 murder rate for the year so far, Rowley said the people of this nation need to feel secure and the PNM is committed to “rolling back crime”.
He said a PNM government will also ensure a stable economy and work at establishing a revenue authority.
He said revenue collection is important as these monies are used for the development of the country.
Rowley added that a PNM government will also address the traffic woes as he noted that the former PNM government had created a plan for a mass transportation system while another government rejected it.
“The PNM’s approach is to identify the problem, identify workable solutions, put our shoulder to the wheel and get the job done,” said Rowley.
“The next PNM government will make some fundamental changes to Trinidad and Tobago’s governance,” he added as he reiterated that the Local Government Ministry would be abolished and the system would be re-organised to allow the delivery of goods and services to the local level thereby giving more autonomy and responsibility to the local bodies.
Rowley said the PNM will also work on breaking the cycle that exists where pupils from the primary school level enter into the secondary school system and there are a lot of drop outs.
He said there is also a “frustration index” that some say is directly related to the supply of criminal elements in the country.
Post by: Socapro on October 27, 2014, 10:01:23 AM
Gail Alexander (T&T Guardian)
Published: Monday, October 27, 2014
Constitutional reform will be on the cards if a PNM government implements the one man-one vote system at national level “as we must,” Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley signalled yesterday. Rowley hinted at this during yesterday’s People’s National Movement (PNM) delegate convention at the Hyatt Regency, Port-of-Spain. At the meeting delegates fine-tuned the Manning Vision 2020 plan for PNM’s Vision 2030 package. Decisions from discussions will form the basis of PNM’s 2015 manifesto.
The opposition party’s policy may be ready in two weeks. Rowley said Vision 2030 will focus on “the road ahead” since PNM will not look back after it is elected to government. He said the next PNM government will make fundamental changes to delivery. He said people liked the one-man one-vote system the PNM used in its May internal election and if the party has to do it at national level “as we must”—since some adjustment were needed—constitutional reform might be involved.
Saying revenue collection is very important, Rowley reiterated PNM’s Revenue Authority plan and expressed concern about mass transportation problems. He also reiterated plans to abolish the Local Government Ministry giving more responsibility to local government bodies and to focus more on primary schools and rolling back crime. Rowley said “pretenders” weren’t giving the truth and the real story on crime is more than the figures “out there.” “The criminal element has too much room to manoeuvre,” he said.
Noting that the Eric Williams’ PNM involved what he said were captains of industry, the professional class, barefoot people, others from St Patrick, Caroni and other areas, Rowley said today’s PNM, adding youths and experienced people, was getting close to its “original moorings as it was in 1956.” He said a vision wouldn’t always go to plan, but when things went wrong, one addressed it, built and stayed the course. He said the PNM hadn’t been the perfect opposition but was vibrant. Rowley said some had felt the PP would last one or two years only, but it seemed likely to last five years. He said no other party has done what PNM did with yesterday’s delegate planning deliberations. PNM chairman Franklin Khan asked delegates to take into consideration T&T attitudes on issues including dependency, lack of self reliance, productivity, space and environmental protection.
Post by: Socapro on October 27, 2014, 10:32:12 AM
Gail Alexander (T&T Guardian)
Published: Sunday, October 26, 2014
The Government has collapsed on the job and abandoned the Parliament which is not functioning and areas of accountability there are not being used, Opposition Leader Keith Rowley said yesterday. He made the point to reporters following the first day of the People’s National Movement’s convention at the Hyatt Regency, Port-of-Spain. The delegate meeting was held to discuss and make recommendations for the opposition party’s Vision 2030 document. This will be the basis of its 2015 general election manifesto. Expressing concern about the non-resumption of Parliament after a break over the last three weeks, Rowley said Government had changed strategy and was “now setting out to brainwash the population.” “The Prime Minister is speaking about herself, what a wonderful Prime Minister she is, how democratic she is and how participatory she is and they’re spending hundreds of millions of dollars on their ‘education campaign’ in T&T. You can’t turn on a television without the Government’s agents being in your face telling you about the Government ‘working for you’ and at the same time the government has abandoned the Parliament.”
Rowley added: “So I want to draw to the population’s attention that the Parliament isn’t functioning. The Government is absent from the job and areas of accountability aren’t being utilised (such as) the question time for the Prime Minister and the Opposition’s Private Members Day—we haven’t had that. And the Government is just happy to go along as if these were not part of our expectations,
“This Government has made it clear, it doesn’t pay attention to good order and all the Opposition can do, is draw to your attention that the Government has collapsed on the job. These are matters the population will have to take into account when you deal with your managers who are now mismanaging our affairs,”
Commenting on the impasse between Government and Highway Reroute Movement leader Dr Wayne Kublalsingh, Rowley said this was “an on-going tragi-comedy between the Prime Minister and persons they mislead. They’ve hoisted themselves on their own petard.” “The tragedy of this, whatever it ends up as—the expense to the state and cost to taxpayers—this is as a result of persons…members of the Government, when they were in opposition, they took irrational and misleading objection to some elements of national development.” Rowley said the PNM was amazed to see Government spokespersons “paying money to tell the population what wonderful benefits will come to the people of the areas by passage of a highway.”
Rowley said these were the same people who, while in opposition, had organised pressure groups to prevent highway creation in that part of T&T by the PNM since they felt it would have served the PNM politically. “They had no difficulty organising resistance and obstruction then. Now they’ve created this monster, they’re now telling the population what wonderful benefits will come from a highway there now,” he said. Rowley also said it would not matter when Government’s procurement legislation returned to the Parliament (for final deliberations) since Government had “carefully ensured they did all their contract misconduct outside the existence of the remit of the new bill. If they pass it tomorrow, it means all the contracts they’ve mishandled and handled, won’t be subject to the provisions of this law, so it doesn’t matter if they pass it or not.”
Addressing delegates after deliberations by seven groups on various policy issues for governance, Rowley dismissed a social media caption about him and “big shots” at the Hyatt. He said the party would take all recommendations expressed yesterday to the general membership when the second leg of the convention is held on November 16 at the Queen’s Park Savannah. He said the hierarchy will “tweak, prune and massage” recommendations made yesterday. He said yesterday’s event showed those who felt nothing was happening in the party that things were happening.
After November 16, he said, PNM’s working group would be in a position to produce a work programme for government.
That exercise will dovetail with PNM’s screening sessions. Rowley said PNM held no malice or ill will towards its political opponents since they, like the PNM, were also offering themselves for service. PNM chairman Franklin Khan said just over 700 delegates attended the event and it was “probably the largest ever PNM delegate convention.” He called for party members to mobilise 10,000 to attend the November 16 event.
Rapid rail over PBR
Discussion on a mass transit system moving above the Priority Bus Route was among issues discussed at yesterday’s delegates’ convention, PNM PRO Faris Al-Rawi said. Also discussed were the movement and circulation of what he deemed the “rapid bus transport system.” He said delegates sanctioned a feasibility confirmation for the rapid rail system. A federal type of self government for Tobago was also recommended, as well as allowing the Tobago House of Assembly (THA) hands-on authority on port operations and broadening the air and sea bridge.
Al-Rawi said there was heated discussions on local government versus central government, national security, education and infrastructure development out of the 14 policy areas deliberated upon. Delegates were concerned about the need to ensure harmony on roll-out of expenditure from central government to local government and other aspects. National security deliberations included on strengthening the Police Complaints Authority and the appointment process for a police commissioner. A “real” form of diversification for the energy sector was suggested.
Post by: Sando prince on October 27, 2014, 12:35:26 PM
Socapro is this going to be a PNM thread or general election thread? :D
Post by: asylumseeker on October 27, 2014, 12:42:23 PM
Socapro is this going to be a PNM thread or general election thread? :D
... or could be bait for socafighter.
Post by: Socapro on October 27, 2014, 02:07:26 PM
Socapro is this going to be a PNM thread or general election thread? :D
... or could be bait for socafighter.
What other party can we really take serious and which also has a good chance of winning the next elections if the people of T&T have woken up and want a future?!
Post by: Controversial on October 27, 2014, 03:15:57 PM
please merge this thread if it is not going to be objective and articles pertaining to both parties...
no room for partisan politics in a small nation as ours, just objectivity
Post by: Jumbie on October 27, 2014, 03:17:41 PM
Socapro is this going to be a PNM thread or general election thread? :D
... or could be bait for socafighter.
What other party can we really take serious and which also has a good chance of winning the next elections if the people of T&T have woken up and want a future?!
at least you have an
Post by: Socapro on October 27, 2014, 06:34:22 PM
Some of you people remind me of folks who are always waiting for handouts and don't do enough for yourselves and then turn around and try to blame the government for your position in life.
Post by: Jumbie on October 27, 2014, 06:44:09 PM
Doh worry, the dogs of war monitoring your movements or was that the Guyanese living in gov't housing... nah it was the "stupid" trinbagonians who don't support your point of view (whatever that may be)
Post by: Deeks on October 27, 2014, 07:40:18 PM
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: waiting for handouts - that's rather PNM of you! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Doh worry, the dogs of war monitoring your movements or was that the Guyanese living in gov't housing... nah it was the "stupid" trinbagonians who don't support your point of view (whatever that may be)
But honestly jumbie, this is a free forum. Go ahead and post the alternative views. Yes we have to follow the forum rules, but post PP, COP, Jack's, Abdullah's proposals if you or anybody have them. Simple.
Post by: Socapro on October 27, 2014, 07:51:00 PM
:beermug::rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: waiting for handouts - that's rather PNM of you! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Doh worry, the dogs of war monitoring your movements or was that the Guyanese living in gov't housing... nah it was the "stupid" trinbagonians who don't support your point of view (whatever that may be)
But honestly jumbie, this is a free forum. Go ahead and post the alternative views. Yes we have to follow the forum rules, but post PP, COP, Jack's, Abdullah's proposals if you or anybody have them. Simple.
Post by: Controversial on October 27, 2014, 10:01:06 PM
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: waiting for handouts - that's rather PNM of you! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Doh worry, the dogs of war monitoring your movements or was that the Guyanese living in gov't housing... nah it was the "stupid" trinbagonians who don't support your point of view (whatever that may be)
But honestly jumbie, this is a free forum. Go ahead and post the alternative views. Yes we have to follow the forum rules, but post PP, COP, Jack's, Abdullah's proposals if you or anybody have them. Simple.
why should he bro, he not supporting any party, plus why should he post an article on a particular party and be labelled a partisan supporter of that said party... jumbie didn't start an elections thread and plaster it with PNM propaganda in big bold red italics... what happened to posting a neutral article that discusses both sides???
schupsss, that's why the nation is so divided... too much damn ignorance
Post by: Sando prince on October 27, 2014, 10:48:42 PM
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: waiting for handouts - that's rather PNM of you! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Doh worry, the dogs of war monitoring your movements or was that the Guyanese living in gov't housing... nah it was the "stupid" trinbagonians who don't support your point of view (whatever that may be)
But honestly jumbie, this is a free forum. Go ahead and post the alternative views. Yes we have to follow the forum rules, but post PP, COP, Jack's, Abdullah's proposals if you or anybody have them. Simple.
why should he bro, he not supporting any party, plus why should he post an article on a particular party and be labelled a partisan supporter of that said party... jumbie didn't start an elections thread and plaster it with PNM propaganda in big bold red italics... what happened to posting a neutral article that discusses both sides???
schupsss, that's why the nation is so divided... too much damn ignorance
Contro you can post the PP/UNC propaganda in here too breds. Is one love for our yellow jersey wearing brothers :)
Post by: Socapro on October 27, 2014, 10:56:09 PM
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: waiting for handouts - that's rather PNM of you! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Doh worry, the dogs of war monitoring your movements or was that the Guyanese living in gov't housing... nah it was the "stupid" trinbagonians who don't support your point of view (whatever that may be)
But honestly jumbie, this is a free forum. Go ahead and post the alternative views. Yes we have to follow the forum rules, but post PP, COP, Jack's, Abdullah's proposals if you or anybody have them. Simple.
why should he bro, he not supporting any party, plus why should he post an article on a particular party and be labelled a partisan supporter of that said party... jumbie didn't start an elections thread and plaster it with PNM propaganda in big bold red italics... what happened to posting a neutral article that discusses both sides???
schupsss, that's why the nation is so divided... too much damn ignorance
Why don't you stop being a cry baby and post stuff to add the balance you are complaining about?
This forum and thread is open to anyone to contribute but I know it will be difficult for lazy fools to contribute anything of substance.
The thread is young and it will be as balanced as we decide to make it. The power is in your hands.
PS: I am not supporting any particular party neither as I am not based in T&T nor have I ever voted for PNM or UNC or any of the other parties. However I do care about the country of my birth and its future.
Post by: Jumbie on October 28, 2014, 08:01:55 AM
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: waiting for handouts - that's rather PNM of you! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Doh worry, the dogs of war monitoring your movements or was that the Guyanese living in gov't housing... nah it was the "stupid" trinbagonians who don't support your point of view (whatever that may be)
But honestly jumbie, this is a free forum. Go ahead and post the alternative views. Yes we have to follow the forum rules, but post PP, COP, Jack's, Abdullah's proposals if you or anybody have them. Simple.
where did I have grievance against what's posted? I'll leave the copy and paste to our friend who has issues with our law enforcement, our military, Guyanese people (gentle way of saying Indian), "stupid" Trinbagonians and let us not forget.. gays.
Like my friend claims to be, I don't support one party or the other. What I do support is a safer Trinidad and Tobago, where the citizens can get the opportunity to enjoy a more rewarding life. Something I'm yet to see any one political party come close to delivering. I dislike people who back democracy, then turn rong and say "well allyuh voted for them". As if it's only those who voted in that party have to deal with the current climate. We as a people never put Trinidad and Tobago first and political affiliations 2nd.
BTW.. ever notice on here that people never claim to back the UNC or any other party beyond the PNM.. as if they have to be apologetic for such.
Post by: Deeks on October 28, 2014, 09:03:15 AM
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: waiting for handouts - that's rather PNM of you! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Doh worry, the dogs of war monitoring your movements or was that the Guyanese living in gov't housing... nah it was the "stupid" trinbagonians who don't support your point of view (whatever that may be)
But honestly jumbie, this is a free forum. Go ahead and post the alternative views. Yes we have to follow the forum rules, but post PP, COP, Jack's, Abdullah's proposals if you or anybody have them. Simple.
why should he bro, he not supporting any party, plus why should he post an article on a particular party and be labelled a partisan supporter of that said party... jumbie didn't start an elections thread and plaster it with PNM propaganda in big bold red italics... what happened to posting a neutral article that discusses both sides???
schupsss, that's why the nation is so divided... too much damn ignorance
Contro, whether or not you are for a party, that should not matter. We should be mature enough to post any thing, relevant or propaganda, of any political party. This is a news, info and education forum of TT and its diaspora. What is difficult about that? Take of your partisan cap and post the damn thing. Dude, and TT is not the only country that have that kind of issues. We have done better than most. But we must never take things for granted. We must always be vigilante in maintaining harmony in our country.
Post by: Controversial on October 28, 2014, 09:19:33 AM
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: waiting for handouts - that's rather PNM of you! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Doh worry, the dogs of war monitoring your movements or was that the Guyanese living in gov't housing... nah it was the "stupid" trinbagonians who don't support your point of view (whatever that may be)
But honestly jumbie, this is a free forum. Go ahead and post the alternative views. Yes we have to follow the forum rules, but post PP, COP, Jack's, Abdullah's proposals if you or anybody have them. Simple.
why should he bro, he not supporting any party, plus why should he post an article on a particular party and be labelled a partisan supporter of that said party... jumbie didn't start an elections thread and plaster it with PNM propaganda in big bold red italics... what happened to posting a neutral article that discusses both sides???
schupsss, that's why the nation is so divided... too much damn ignorance
Contro you can post the PP/UNC propaganda in here too breds. Is one love for our yellow jersey wearing brothers :)
exactly what I was talking about... I am not a PP supporter and all of a sudden people jump to that conclusion because I stated to post neutral election info...
If I was a pp supporter or pnm supporter I would post their propaganda, I have no fear of anyone and don't give a damn really what people have to say if I had political affiliations, but that is far from the case...
socapro can post whatever he wants, but start a pnm thread, why start an elections thread in disguise to post pnm propaganda???
Post by: Controversial on October 28, 2014, 09:20:21 AM
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: waiting for handouts - that's rather PNM of you! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Doh worry, the dogs of war monitoring your movements or was that the Guyanese living in gov't housing... nah it was the "stupid" trinbagonians who don't support your point of view (whatever that may be)
But honestly jumbie, this is a free forum. Go ahead and post the alternative views. Yes we have to follow the forum rules, but post PP, COP, Jack's, Abdullah's proposals if you or anybody have them. Simple.
where did I have grievance against what's posted? I'll leave the copy and paste to our friend who has issues with our law enforcement, our military, Guyanese people (gentle way of saying Indian), "stupid" Trinbagonians and let us not forget.. gays.
Like my friend claims to be, I don't support one party or the other. What I do support is a safer Trinidad and Tobago, where the citizens can get the opportunity to enjoy a more rewarding life. Something I'm yet to see any one political party come close to delivering. I dislike people who back democracy, then turn rong and say "well allyuh voted for them". As if it's only those who voted in that party have to deal with the current climate. We as a people never put Trinidad and Tobago first and political affiliations 2nd.
BTW.. ever notice on here that people never claim to back the UNC or any other party beyond the PNM.. as if they have to be apologetic for such.
exactly brother :beermug:
Post by: Socapro on October 28, 2014, 09:21:53 AM
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: waiting for handouts - that's rather PNM of you! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Doh worry, the dogs of war monitoring your movements or was that the Guyanese living in gov't housing... nah it was the "stupid" trinbagonians who don't support your point of view (whatever that may be)
But honestly jumbie, this is a free forum. Go ahead and post the alternative views. Yes we have to follow the forum rules, but post PP, COP, Jack's, Abdullah's proposals if you or anybody have them. Simple.
where did I have grievance against what's posted? I'll leave the copy and paste to our friend who has issues with our law enforcement, our military, Guyanese people (gentle way of saying Indian), "stupid" Trinbagonians and let us not forget.. gays.
Like my friend claims to be, I don't support one party or the other. What I do support is a safer Trinidad and Tobago, where the citizens can get the opportunity to enjoy a more rewarding life. Something I'm yet to see any one political party come close to delivering. I dislike people who back democracy, then turn rong and say "well allyuh voted for them". As if it's only those who voted in that party have to deal with the current climate. We as a people never put Trinidad and Tobago first and political affiliations 2nd.
BTW.. ever notice on here that people never claim to back the UNC or any other party beyond the PNM.. as if they have to be apologetic for such.
I have got Indian relatives son and in fact when my Dad remarried after he split up with my Mum (who migrated to the UK to do nursing and midwifery) he got remarried to a very nice Guyanese East Indian.
Apart from that I have other East Indian relatives as well as Whites and Chinese and many mixed-race relatives in my family. So I have nothing against Guyanese or any other nationality but I am against illegal nationalities of any race who are living in T&T being given housing and land in front of born and bred Trinis.
I also have nothing against Gays just don't agree with the promotion of Gay sex to our children as normal and healthy both via our media and our schools.
Also based on the Bible that most Christians follow I don't believe that God condones Gay marriage.
But continue to do your best to misrepresent my views on issues to fit in with your warped imagination but note it is a rather dumb way to try to seek to have an intelligent argument.
Regards your dotish comments about my copy and paste skills if you had an ounce of intelligence you would realize that we have to post articles from the political parties to this thread giving their views and policies for us to then debate and discuss. That would require most contributors to do a copy and paste of articles reporting on the political parties views and policies so we can then discuss the merits or lack of.
The fact that I need to explain to you something that is so obvious says a lot.
Post by: Controversial on October 28, 2014, 09:24:14 AM
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: waiting for handouts - that's rather PNM of you! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Doh worry, the dogs of war monitoring your movements or was that the Guyanese living in gov't housing... nah it was the "stupid" trinbagonians who don't support your point of view (whatever that may be)
But honestly jumbie, this is a free forum. Go ahead and post the alternative views. Yes we have to follow the forum rules, but post PP, COP, Jack's, Abdullah's proposals if you or anybody have them. Simple.
why should he bro, he not supporting any party, plus why should he post an article on a particular party and be labelled a partisan supporter of that said party... jumbie didn't start an elections thread and plaster it with PNM propaganda in big bold red italics... what happened to posting a neutral article that discusses both sides???
schupsss, that's why the nation is so divided... too much damn ignorance
Contro, whether or not you are for a party, that should not matter. We should be mature enough to post any thing, relevant or propaganda, of any political party. This is a news, info and education forum of TT and its diaspora. What is difficult about that? Take of your partisan cap and post the damn thing. Dude, and TT is not the only country that have that kind of issues. We have done better than most. But we must never take things for granted. We must always be vigilante in maintaining harmony in our country.
breds, socapro started a neutral thread... post neutral articles first, not a bias opinion... he should just start a pnm thread, ok how about this, since socapro started the thread, ask him to post articles on the PP as well :D
Post by: Controversial on October 28, 2014, 09:26:30 AM
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: waiting for handouts - that's rather PNM of you! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Doh worry, the dogs of war monitoring your movements or was that the Guyanese living in gov't housing... nah it was the "stupid" trinbagonians who don't support your point of view (whatever that may be)
But honestly jumbie, this is a free forum. Go ahead and post the alternative views. Yes we have to follow the forum rules, but post PP, COP, Jack's, Abdullah's proposals if you or anybody have them. Simple.
why should he bro, he not supporting any party, plus why should he post an article on a particular party and be labelled a partisan supporter of that said party... jumbie didn't start an elections thread and plaster it with PNM propaganda in big bold red italics... what happened to posting a neutral article that discusses both sides???
schupsss, that's why the nation is so divided... too much damn ignorance
Why don't you stop being a cry baby and post stuff to add the balance you are complaining about?
This forum and thread is open to anyone to contribute but I know it will be difficult for lazy fools to contribute anything of substance.
The thread is young and it will be as balanced as we decide to make it. The power is in your hands.
PS: I am not supporting any particular party neither as I am not based in T&T nor have I ever voted for PNM or UNC or any of the other parties. However I do care about the country of my birth and its future.
so pro my brother, post articles about PP as well, since you started an objective and neutral thread to inform the board of the run up to elections...
both jumbie and i and not affiliated to any political parties, so it is irrelevant for us to post anything that is not neutral... since you started the thread post something from both sides.. I think that is fair isn't it? ;)
Post by: Socapro on October 28, 2014, 09:29:03 AM
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: waiting for handouts - that's rather PNM of you! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Doh worry, the dogs of war monitoring your movements or was that the Guyanese living in gov't housing... nah it was the "stupid" trinbagonians who don't support your point of view (whatever that may be)
But honestly jumbie, this is a free forum. Go ahead and post the alternative views. Yes we have to follow the forum rules, but post PP, COP, Jack's, Abdullah's proposals if you or anybody have them. Simple.
why should he bro, he not supporting any party, plus why should he post an article on a particular party and be labelled a partisan supporter of that said party... jumbie didn't start an elections thread and plaster it with PNM propaganda in big bold red italics... what happened to posting a neutral article that discusses both sides???
schupsss, that's why the nation is so divided... too much damn ignorance
Why don't you stop being a cry baby and post stuff to add the balance you are complaining about?
This forum and thread is open to anyone to contribute but I know it will be difficult for lazy fools to contribute anything of substance.
The thread is young and it will be as balanced as we decide to make it. The power is in your hands.
PS: I am not supporting any particular party neither as I am not based in T&T nor have I ever voted for PNM or UNC or any of the other parties. However I do care about the country of my birth and its future.
so pro my brother, post articles about PP as well, since you started an objective and neutral thread to inform the board of the run up to elections...
both jumbie and i and not affiliated to any political parties, so it is irrelevant for us to post anything that is not neutral... since you started the thread post something from both sides.. I think that is fair isn't it? ;)
I was going to but I've changed my mind now because I don't like being told what to do by lazy complaining people who can easily do what they asking me to do.
PS: I started this thread for everyone to contribute and not just for me to contribute and if you were intelligent you would have worked that out and started to make a positive contribution. I do not feed lazy people as I am not anyone's servant.
Post by: Jumbie on October 28, 2014, 11:27:23 AM
"ounce of intelligence" - true to nature, name calling when you're exposed.
Check this.. I'm gay, Indian.. half guyanese and stupid trinbagonian, who have ties with the military and protective services. I'm the "guy" you have nightmares about! BTW, my family is moving into a beautiful Gov't flat in tarouba this coming weekend.
'intelligent argument" :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
WTF, like I on Ancestry.com! :rotfl: :rotfl:
Post by: Socapro on October 28, 2014, 02:08:54 PM
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
"ounce of intelligence" - true to nature, name calling when you're exposed.
Check this.. I'm gay, Indian.. half guyanese and stupid trinbagonian, who have ties with the military and protective services. I'm the "guy" you have nightmares about! BTW, my family is moving into a beautiful Gov't flat in tarouba this coming weekend.
'intelligent argument" :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
WTF, like I on Ancestry.com! :rotfl: :rotfl:
Thanks for confirming you have nothing of substance to add to this thread.
You would have been better off refraining from posting to this thread and complaining while making wrong assumptions and instead try to get on with your life which we have no interest in hearing about but such is your mental capacity that I doubt you would ever get the message.
Post by: Jumbie on October 29, 2014, 05:52:34 AM
Post by: Deeks on October 29, 2014, 10:04:17 AM
Post by: Bakes on October 29, 2014, 10:55:44 AM
Post by: lefty on October 29, 2014, 11:24:03 AM
I've been avoiding this thread since it start because I normally view these election threads as a waste of time until people actually start voting. Idleness make mih come in and see that ah wasn't wrong in the first place. The thread is the "General Elections Thread", there's no obligation for anybody to post "neutral" or "objective" articles... just articles related to the election. If you find there aren't enough neutral/objective articles then simply find some and post... instead of this belly-aching back and forth.but what is neutral, a person posting points and counter points from both sides, the fact of the matter is that most on this site claiming neutrality really aren't....u get sense of where most would vote anyways.......if they were inclined to vote......so they might as well play ying to pro's yang and be done with it .........even on an this anonymous forum posters here are pretty "transparent" when it comes their politics anyways....and I mean ALL
Post by: Bakes on October 29, 2014, 11:49:44 AM
but what is neutral, a person posting points and counter points from both sides, the fact of the matter is that most on this site claiming neutrality really aren't....u get sense of where most would vote anyways.......if they were inclined to vote......so they might as well play ying to pro's yang and be done with it .........even on an this anonymous forum posters here are pretty "transparent" when it comes their politics anyways....and I mean ALL
Neutral would be any article that is not by a PP/PNM source, which does not promote one party's agenda over the other, or which otherwise addresses the election in a non-partisan way. People overcomplicating this issue more than it needs to be.
Analysts: Next election a two-party race
(http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Analysts-Next-election-a-two-party-race-230750731.html)
Manning’s Bequest To Rowley (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/commentaries/Mannings-Bequest-To-Rowley-275907211.html)
Election Guide Country Profile: Trinidad and Tobago (http://www.electionguide.org/countries/id/216/)
It's really not that hard to find supposedly neutral shit and post it.
Post by: Sando prince on October 29, 2014, 11:54:14 AM
Post by: lefty on October 29, 2014, 12:07:38 PM
Manning’s Bequest To Rowley (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/commentaries/Mannings-Bequest-To-Rowley-275907211.html)
Election Guide Country Profile: Trinidad and Tobago (http://www.electionguide.org/countries/id/216/)
It's really not that hard to find supposedly neutral shit and post it.
fair point, but unfortunately pro pretty much set a precedent for postings on this thread hence d antagonistic responses that followed
Post by: Socapro on October 29, 2014, 01:09:19 PM
Contro all this time you took practically begging Socapro to post PP articles. You could have been posting them yourself. Boss what is stopping you from posting your PP/UNC articles? :):beermug:
Post by: Jumbie on October 29, 2014, 02:52:23 PM
Jumbie, i still cyah understand allyuh. You all want people on the website to be "neutral". Well, describe being neutral for us. Only post Abdullah or Jack's party info? Because there are two major parties. UNC/COP and PNM. Their party base, history is as plain to see as allyuh balls. The funny thing about you guys, by touting your neutrality bona fides, you sometimes come off as being partisan for the next side. I now see why Socafighter leave the forum, because allyuh was driving she friggin crazy. Everybody should be able to voice her/his opinion, whether you favour it or not. Just be "mature" people. If allyuh leaning PP, what the heck? It is your god-given right to vote that way. Same if you with Jack, Abdullah or the Balisier.
I think I made myself clear in my previous response. Go back and check it. BTW.. if I sound "partisan" to any party I make no apologies (know that I've never voted - was too young to do so when I lived in Trinidad - or will never vote in a Trinidad and Tobago elections).
As far as 'mature' is concerned.. so if someone is not in agreement to another person's opinion, he/she is open game for name calling etc? I have and will continue to call out shit form all sides of the political landscape of Trinidad and Tobago and I dare you to show where I've supported any crap from either major political party in T&T. As mentioned I put T&T FIRST.
Go back.. all I said was that if the PNM doesn't win, according to a certain poster it's due to the popular vote.
"at least you have an
I could care less for what
Post by: Controversial on October 29, 2014, 03:59:21 PM
Contro all this time you took practically begging Socapro to post PP articles. You could have been posting them yourself. Boss what is stopping you from posting your PP/UNC articles? :)
because I wholeheartedly don't support PP nor do I support PNM, I will definitely post a neutral article in the near future.. but i am not the thread starter here.. socapro is and it is a guise to promote his party, not promote objectivity...
bakes brought up a valid point in the discussion but pro's approach is not to start a neutral thread about the election, but to start a thread centered around pnm...
Post by: Controversial on October 29, 2014, 04:00:56 PM
Jumbie, i still cyah understand allyuh. You all want people on the website to be "neutral". Well, describe being neutral for us. Only post Abdullah or Jack's party info? Because there are two major parties. UNC/COP and PNM. Their party base, history is as plain to see as allyuh balls. The funny thing about you guys, by touting your neutrality bona fides, you sometimes come off as being partisan for the next side. I now see why Socafighter leave the forum, because allyuh was driving she friggin crazy. Everybody should be able to voice her/his opinion, whether you favour it or not. Just be "mature" people. If allyuh leaning PP, what the heck? It is your god-given right to vote that way. Same if you with Jack, Abdullah or the Balisier.
I think I made myself clear in my previous response. Go back and check it. BTW.. if I sound "partisan" to any party I make no apologies (know that I've never voted - was too young to do so when I lived in Trinidad - or will never vote in a Trinidad and Tobago elections).
As far as 'mature' is concerned.. so if someone is not in agreement to another person's opinion, he/she is open game for name calling etc? I have and will continue to call out shit form all sides of the political landscape of Trinidad and Tobago and I dare you to show where I've supported any crap from either major political party in T&T. As mentioned I put T&T FIRST.
Go back.. all I said was that if the PNM doesn't win, according to a certain poster it's due to the popular vote.
"at least you have anpopular vote'excuse' if the outcome is not as you wish."
I could care less for whatCaptain Cut And PasteSP post... unless he goes on his usual rants about Indians, Guyanese, Gays etc.
exactly bro :beermug:
Post by: Deeks on October 29, 2014, 04:46:19 PM
PP is in power. When they put forward a budget or proposal for highway, schools, hospitals, etc, we know that is the PP gov't works. It is on the news. When PNM was in power was the same thing. We saw all the PNM projects and we criticized what was bad or good about them. Did we not? Did we not post all the crime issues during Patos reign. The new PM residence, the President house falling down. The two conferences was critized as a waste of money. All the socalled skycrapers on the waterfront were criticized. The NAPA was criticized and still getting flack. The RR/Trinitrain survey was hammered for the cost. Patos church fiasco. Calder Hart fiasco. All these things were hammered by everybody on this forum. If allyuh want to do research be my guest. Whether 'Pro is PNM or not, post allyuh articles and opinions. That is what freedom is about. Give me Liberty or
Post by: Socapro on October 29, 2014, 08:05:30 PM
I live in London and have never ever voted for the PNM but let the idiots here keep deludings themselves.
Some folks need to realise that not everything they imagine is real but I guess that would mean having to credit them with some reasoning skills and thinking ability.
Post by: Controversial on October 30, 2014, 10:10:50 AM
Don't know who told these fools that I belong to the PNM and its my party. I don't even have a PNM membership card and don't always attend the PNM Fete when I am home for Carnival.
I live in London and have never ever voted for the PNM but let the idiots here keep deludings themselves.
Some folks need to realise that not everything they imagine is real but I guess that would mean having to credit them with some reasoning skills and thinking ability.
nothing is wrong with being a balizay boy... that is your prerogative... but you might as well start a pnm till i die thread instead of a neutral elections thread... we all know who you are leaning towards... it is no mystery... nothing to be ashamed of... weary and brown sugar waiting for the right opportunity to blast off as well... :D :D lol
Post by: Socapro on October 31, 2014, 12:11:59 PM
Don't know who told these fools that I belong to the PNM and its my party. I don't even have a PNM membership card and don't always attend the PNM Fete when I am home for Carnival.
I live in London and have never ever voted for the PNM but let the idiots here keep deludings themselves.
Some folks need to realise that not everything they imagine is real but I guess that would mean having to credit them with some reasoning skills and thinking ability.
nothing is wrong with being a balizay boy... that is your prerogative... but you might as well start a pnm till i die thread instead of a neutral elections thread... we all know who you are leaning towards... it is no mystery... nothing to be ashamed of... weary and brown sugar waiting for the right opportunity to blast off as well... :D :D lol
I threw my corn but never called no fowl.
Why don't you post a PP campaign article to address your own concerns? Its free for anyone to post here and after all you can make time to post all sorts of other dribble to this thread so why not post some official PP election campaign dribble while you are at it? What is so difficult about that?
Post by: Brownsugar on November 01, 2014, 04:34:11 PM
this is a pnm thread disguised as an election thread...
please merge this thread if it is not going to be objective and articles pertaining to both parties...
no room for partisan politics in a small nation as ours, just objectivity
Merge the thread for what and merge it with what other thread(s)? If anyone has anything to post about the upcoming election then just post it here.....
Edit: Ah now see yuh call me name in another post.
Somehow folks conveniently forget that I stated many times that I voted for the PP in the last election.
And no them cyar get my vote next time around.....I eh know why Kamla doh end the farce and call the election date now......steups!!!
Post by: weary1969 on November 01, 2014, 05:14:12 PM
this is a pnm thread disguised as an election thread...
please merge this thread if it is not going to be objective and articles pertaining to both parties...
no room for partisan politics in a small nation as ours, just objectivity
Merge the thread for what and merge it with what other thread(s)? If anyone has anything to post about the upcoming election then just post it here.....
Edit: Ah now see yuh call me name in another post.
Somehow folks conviniently forget that I stated many times that I voted for the PP in the last election.
And no them cyar get my vote next time around.....I eh know why Kamla doh end the farce and call the election date now......steups!!!
U suppose 2 continue 2 drink d PP Koolaide or absent yuh self from d site like all d PP apologist who MIA.
Post by: Bourbon on November 01, 2014, 11:36:26 PM
Post by: Bakes on November 02, 2014, 06:32:05 PM
How we determining objective really?
Non-partisan. People overcomplicating this, as I said.
Post by: royal on November 02, 2014, 10:12:38 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1fK54uCEAIcusf.jpg:large)
Post by: Deeks on November 03, 2014, 02:57:27 PM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/commentaries/Serious-crime-has-decreased-under-Partnership-281247761.html
Serious crime has decreased under Partnership
By Capil Bissoon
Story Created: Nov 2, 2014 at 10:35 PM ECT
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Story Updated: Nov 2, 2014 at 10:35 PM ECT )
Two Sundays ago, People’s National Movement (PNM) members were at the Hyatt, hoping to hear their political leader speak of progressive policies and articulate a forward-looking vision for Trinidad and Tobago; no such thing happened.
What the handpicked delegates heard was vintage Keith Rowley, full of criticism of the present People’s Partnership Government but seriously lacking any new content.
I didn’t expect much from Dr Rowley. Having paid close attention to the PNM leader since he became leader in 2010, I knew he has nothing to offer, but those who still believe in the PNM went to the Hyatt expecting that hope.
There was no message for them or to woo anyone else looking for an alternative to the present administration. Dr Rowley missed an opportunity to seize the national agenda and push a winning platform for 2015. Instead he was full of sound and fury about everything he perceived to be wrong, but failed to present one single idea of how he would fix the country.
Now we wait until November 16 to hear how Vision 2020 will become Vision 2030, how a Revenue Agency the people rejected will solve the country’s problems and how a $60 billion Rapid Rail Service will become the solution to the national transportation problem.
The PNM leader decided he could get marks for dealing with crime so he took a swipe at the problem, which had grown worse every year while the PNM was in office, blaming the present administration for not effectively handling the problem and ignoring the statistical evidence which shows the Government had contained crime and brought it down significantly in four years.
“The people of this nation need to feel secure and the PNM is committed to “rolling back crime”, Dr Rowley told delegates. But how?
It was under the PNM murders peaked at a record 550 in 2008 and kidnapping for ransom was a lucrative criminal activity. Is this what Dr Rowley wants us to elect him and the PNM to continue?
Serious crime has decreased dramatically under the Partnership although the detection rate remains too low for comfort. We need to ask why this problem grew to become so serious.
Dr Rowley knows the answer. Here is a quote from the Guardian of October 25, 2011, reproduced in the Ryan report on crime: “African youths are overachieving in the jails and underachieving in the classrooms. Blacks have an obligation to stop making excuses. PNM ruled the country for 40 years and it is time they took responsibility for the mess made in our backyard. Paternity tests shows that the Laventille of Today is a PNM creation.” Crime, it seems, is an essential part of the PNM’s DNA, so can anyone trust this party and this leader to fix the problem? Dr Rowley must be truly naive if expects citizens to believe he can turn things around just because he said so.
The reality is the present Government has reduced serious crime by 43 per cent. Check the statistics and compare that with the PNM’s record.
Dr Rowley could have started with a glimpse of how the PNM would tackle the problem. But he did not because he doesn’t have a clue.
Nobody can fix the crime problem with talk. Unfortunately, that is what Dr Rowley is good at. On the other hand, Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar talks and follows up with action.
Our people need to feel secure, but there is nothing in the PNM’s history of governance that suggests it’s a crime buster. Crime doesn’t go away with bling and PR; it goes away when those in authority fight back. Those who feel the upsurge in crime presents a political opportunity to get back in office should understand the country will no longer tolerate and allow criminals to endanger the security of the country and hold our citizens to ransom again.
Crime remains a serious problem but the present Government has moved in the right direction and is getting results. It has walked the talk by giving the police the resources they need to fight back, 500 new vehicles, nine new police stations, a highway patrol, a national operations centre, GPS and closed-circuit cameras at strategic locations.
Yes, indeed, citizens deserve to feel secure. That’s why the PNM’s message sounded so hollow because everyone knows the country is safer today than it has ever been under the PNM, and no amount of talk from Dr Rowley and the PNM would change that.
Post by: Deeks on November 03, 2014, 03:03:11 PM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/commentaries/PNM-Vision-2030-281141722.html
PNM Vision 2030
By Indira Rampersad
Story Created: Oct 31, 2014 at 8:00 PM ECT
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Story Updated: Oct 31, 2014 at 8:00 PM ECT )
Last Sunday, the People’s National Movement (PNM) held the first part of it 45th annual convention at the Hyatt Regency hotel in Port of Spain.
It was somewhat surprising that the PNM would choose the luxurious chambers of the plush Hyatt to host its convention, albeit for delegates only. If the PNM’s financial resources are increasing, the implications for the 2015 election are significant.
At the Hyatt convention last Sunday, PNM political leader, Keith Rowley, promised to share the PNM’s policy document “Vision 2030”, in two weeks, another move which caused some consternation because of its top-down approach. Given the PNM’s reaction as well as those of its supporters to alleged lack of consultation of the People’s Partnership on the run-of proposal of the 2014 Constitutional (Amendment) Bill, it would have been prudent for the PNM to disseminate these proposals widely to its critics, membership and supporters alike for critical comments and input. Since criticisms of elitism were attributed to Patrick Manning’s “Vision 2020”, this was a golden opportunity for Rowley to convince potential voters that the PNM is doing things differently this time around.
Since September, 2013, Rowley had announced Vision 2030 as its revised development plan as “part of the People’s National Movement’s new “road map” for the resumption of economic and social development of Trinidad and Tobago”. Then, Vision 2030 was presented with the $10 billion rapid rail. Rowley had stated that “a new PNM administration would take up from where the last PNM government left off ...return to the construction of the billion-dollar rapid rail system, for which the last Manning administration had spent $545 million on a feasibility study”.
The rapid rail project was notably absent in media reports of the PNM’s plans in Vision 2030, announced last Sunday. What surfaced are the issues of crime, the economy, including revenue collection, education, health and governance, particularly, local government.
It was Rowley’s announcement to abolish the Local Government Ministry which created quite a stir last week. Coincidentally, only a few days before, the PNM-held Tunapuna/Piarco Regional Corporation was levied upon for failure to pay a debt amounting to about $2 million.
Indeed, this was not the first time that Rowley has made such a proposal. In early May, 2014, at a meeting in Tobago, he had made the same announcement stating that “the successes with the THA can now be confidently applied in Trinidad thereby removing the role of that minister. The Ministry of Finance will therefore have a greater role to play in the new changes”.
The details of the PNM’s proposal to remove the Local Government Ministry are still uncertain but it has evoked public reaction including comments from former chairman of the Tunapuna/Piarco Regional Corporation and acting United National Congress (UNC) chairman, Khadijah Ameen. She vehemently rejects the proposal insisting that the Local Government Ministry is critical. She affirms that attempts to remove the Local Government Ministry will remove power from the people. Ameen views the Ministry of Local Government as a necessary part of the bureaucracy which can ensure accountability provided that it does not serve as a hindrance. This she affirms can be achieved by good planning.
Rowley’s proposal comes in the face of several calls for greater decentralisation of local government bodies. However, several questions should be considered. Can the THA model be successfully applied to the larger island of Trinidad with its cities, boroughs and regional corporations? The structure of local government is quite different from the THA. Today there are 14 municipalities including two cities—Port-of-Spain and San Fernando; three boroughs—Arima, Chaguanas and Point Fortin; and nine regional corporations—Couva/Tabaquite/Talparo, Diego Martin, Mayaro/Rio Claro, Penal/Debe, Princes Town, San Juan/Laventille, Sangre Grande, Siparia and Tunapuna/Piarco .
To whom will these bodies be answerable if there is no Local Government Ministry? Would the Ministry of Finance be given wider coordinating and supervisory portfolios with regard to these institutions? Would it be able to effectively manage such operations in addition to its existing portfolios? Would this not be a return to the very centralisation which the removal of the Local Government Ministry seeks to address?
The numerous unanswered questions suggest that the proposal needs to be carefully thought out. Stakeholders should be widely consulted on the feasibility of such a measure. Many election plans sound wonderful and look great on glossy manifestos but successive administrations have proved that they may not be practical or implementable.
While political parties are anxious to prove that they are in an advance state of readiness to govern in 2015, they need to be extremely cautious of what they hastily attempt to sell to the population as the election bell tolls. The extremely high expectations and demands of the electorate today are leaving no government unscathed.
Post by: Bourbon on November 03, 2014, 05:39:27 PM
And a man go post a Capil bissoon article.
Look... Allyuh post whatever allyuh feel relevant oui. We go argue after.
Post by: Sando prince on November 03, 2014, 05:54:00 PM
^^ in response to the earlier post. What will be considered serious crime by the government? The murder rate has almost surpassed last year rate and we have more than two month remaining in the year. Or is murder not a serious crime? Somebody explain nah
Post by: Bourbon on November 03, 2014, 05:59:58 PM
Police could only make statements like that based on reports.
If 8 years ago it had ten robberies with ten victims.. and 7 victims report them... And now.. It had another ten robberies but people decide police won't help anyhow.. And only two report on their robberies... As far as the police concerned crime down.
That's basically the metric. Reports. To justify that stance then you hear that murders might be up.. But is really gang related and criminals killing out each other so other crimes can't be solved cause the person's of interest get killed. At least that was the excuse before Dana got killed.
Post by: Deeks on November 03, 2014, 06:01:14 PM
^^ in response to the earlier post. What will be considered serious crime by the government? The murder rate has almost surpassed last year rate and we have more than two month remaining. Or murder is not serious crime? Somebody explain nah
So you don't think this has any relevance to next year's election?
Post by: Socapro on November 03, 2014, 06:12:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/UHmRZppK5z4
You may think that the councilors in any regional corporation would prove to be a major factor in a General Election but one PNM deputy political leader says think again.
Post by: lefty on November 03, 2014, 06:26:49 PM
^^ in response to the earlier post. What will be considered serious crime by the government? The murder rate has almost surpassed last year rate and we have more than two month remaining in the year. Or is murder not a serious crime? Somebody explain nah
daiz capil bissoon he out of canada and his only purpose in life is to fellate d gov't
Post by: Deeks on November 03, 2014, 06:38:26 PM
^^ in response to the earlier post. What will be considered serious crime by the government? The murder rate has almost surpassed last year rate and we have more than two month remaining. Or murder is not serious crime? Somebody explain nah
So you don't think this has any relevance to next year's election?
Actually I meant to question Bourbon's post.
Post by: Bourbon on November 03, 2014, 06:49:32 PM
When the mark buss that he.. Rodney Charles PEA and others have as their mandate to attack and tarnish Rowley at every turn... After some dissent... The caption changed to "A Canadian supporter of the People's Partnership".
So yeah it very relevant. It certainly eh unbiased.
Post by: Socapro on November 03, 2014, 09:01:47 PM
Nah it has plenty relevance. It's just one of the "biased" voices that people claiming have no place in a thread like this. In fact he is involved in the strategy planning of this campaign. Since he started writing for the express.. His columns take one of three forms : 1) Extolling KPB as the greatest leader T&T has ever seen 2) Vilifying Rowley and 3) Pushing the head that since 2010 this country has improved by leaps and bounds. All this while under the caption "A Canadian observing at A distance.":beermug:
When the mark buss that he.. Rodney Charles PEA and others have as their mandate to attack and tarnish Rowley at every turn... After some dissent... The caption changed to "A Canadian supporter of the People's Partnership".
So yeah it very relevant. It certainly eh unbiased.
Post by: Deeks on November 03, 2014, 11:09:12 PM
Bourbon, I feel you should be mature enough to know by now politicians in power going to big-up and embellish their achievements. And everyone of us on this forum, pro or con, should know what is fact or what is fiction.
Post by: Bourbon on November 04, 2014, 04:45:58 AM
Extolling KPB as the greatest leader T&T has ever seen 2) Vilifying Rowley and 3) Pushing the head that since 2010 this country has improved by leaps and .....etc.etc
Bourbon, I feel you should be mature enough to know by now politicians in power going to big-up and embellish their achievements. And everyone of us on this forum, pro or con, should know what is fact or what is fiction.
I know that. I think you know that. What curious locally especially that anything that does not seem to favor the government is automatically branded by certain sycophants as "PNM". I guess the rationale of people like Capil Bisson is "anything PNM is biased...I anti-PNM so I unbiased."
It on local forums...not this one (yet?).
It in the media.
Right now there is an unprecedented amount of propaganda pushing the government's agenda.
For example...the Highway Re-route Movement issue. There is a shadow group that is entitled "Citizens4dhighway". This group...who's members are unknown...are able to fund full page ads with petty attacks on Kublalsingh. Like this one for example.
(http://citizens4dhighway.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/kub-lal.jpg)
The Guardian...who vacillates at times between shame and no shame....printed the ad..then retracted it and apologized. None of the other major newspapers ran the ad after. This same group is now attempting to change the conversation to claim that the media is against them and suppressing their rights etc.
There is a difference between embellishment of achievements...and Propaganda. It seems like the incumbent favors the latter. Which is understandable cause that was the same recipe for 2010...Vilify the leader of the opposing party...spin propaganda and fool the masses. When that tactic got them into government...then the general population started to realize that was all that they had planned.
If people could see a newspaper report as biased..but an opinion column as unbiased...especially someone who has a KNOWN agenda like Bisson....well my statement stands.
Everybody post what you think relevant and we go argue about it after.
Post by: Socapro on November 04, 2014, 09:51:34 AM
Move to the head of the class! :beermug:Extolling KPB as the greatest leader T&T has ever seen 2) Vilifying Rowley and 3) Pushing the head that since 2010 this country has improved by leaps and .....etc.etc
Bourbon, I feel you should be mature enough to know by now politicians in power going to big-up and embellish their achievements. And everyone of us on this forum, pro or con, should know what is fact or what is fiction.
I know that. I think you know that. What curious locally especially that anything that does not seem to favor the government is automatically branded by certain sycophants as "PNM". I guess the rationale of people like Capil Bisson is "anything PNM is biased...I anti-PNM so I unbiased."
It on local forums...not this one (yet?).
It in the media.
Right now there is an unprecedented amount of propaganda pushing the government's agenda.
For example...the Highway Re-route Movement issue. There is a shadow group that is entitled "Citizens4dhighway". This group...who's members are unknown...are able to fund full page ads with petty attacks on Kublalsingh. Like this one for example.
(http://citizens4dhighway.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/kub-lal.jpg)
The Guardian...who vacillates at times between shame and no shame....printed the ad..then retracted it and apologized. None of the other major newspapers ran the ad after. This same group is now attempting to change the conversation to claim that the media is against them and suppressing their rights etc.
There is a difference between embellishment of achievements...and Propaganda. It seems like the incumbent favors the latter. Which is understandable cause that was the same recipe for 2010...Vilify the leader of the opposing party...spin propaganda and fool the masses. When that tactic got them into government...then the general population started to realize that was all that they had planned.
If people could see a newspaper report as biased..but an opinion column as unbiased...especially someone who has a KNOWN agenda like Bisson....well my statement stands.
Everybody post what you think relevant and we go argue about it after.
Post by: Deeks on November 04, 2014, 10:08:49 AM
Post by: Socapro on November 04, 2014, 11:21:47 AM
Bourbon, I share your sentiments, but unfortunately I don't see any socalled unbias news coming out of TT as election approaches. If you can produce an unbias forum, good luck. Because you will always run into a brickwall when fellow forumites start to argue just like we doing right now. What I or we would like to see is constructive and mature comments(for and against) the parties involve in the coming election. But that is wishfull thinking. That add on Kubalsingh is right of the pages of US political "public relations" firms. Right now money talks, ethics walk. Sorry Breds, that is the nature of politics right now.Unfortunately the politics you are referring to places race and party politics above country and nation building.
Should progressive Trinbagonians who love their country above race and party politics accept and condone this sort of politics being promoted by the PPG right now?
I don't think so.
Post by: Bourbon on November 04, 2014, 11:34:14 AM
Post by: Ramgoat on November 04, 2014, 08:49:08 PM
Post by: Deeks on November 05, 2014, 12:11:02 AM
I regularly visit this thread for comic relief . I enjoy the expressions of fake outrage about everything that is wrong with Trinidad .
Goat, you maybe right, but I am quite sure most Trinis have serious concern when things go wrong in the country. Some may fake and some,(like me, sometimes bury my head in the sand because I just get fed up). But we have concerns for TT. I from EDR. You think I faking about the current situation in East Pos.
Post by: Deeks on November 05, 2014, 07:14:07 AM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/commentaries/Who-constitutes-the-PNM-base--281395561.html
Who constitutes the PNM base?
By Theodore Lewis
Story Created: Nov 3, 2014 at 10:50 PM ECT
Story Updated: Nov 4, 2014 at 9:01 AM ECT
The base in politics speaks of the core supporters of a party. Not all supporters, but the ones who must vote for you if you are to win. Your bread and butter voters. Rain or shine. For Barack Obama, that base was women, immigrants, blacks, Hispanics, youth and the college educated. It is very important in elections for parties to identify their base and to make sure they are sufficiently energised and motivated so that on election day they come out and vote in a predictable way.
Parties that do not identify their base and speak directly to them sometimes find that they lose them.
Historically, the People’s National Movement (PNM) has been disinclined to identify its base, and to openly court their vote. The base has been taken for granted. But that is dangerous. You could do that under Williams, but on two occasions after Williams, 1986, and more recently 2010, the PNM found itself stranded on the beach on the morning after elections, its base having abandoned it.
That has never happened to any party representing “sugar workers”. There has never been a mass exodus of Indian voters from the parties that represent them. And that is because the parties that represent them do not keep their partisans a secret. In 1986 these voters simply followed Panday, while Africans were abandoning the PNM.
Race is the prime factor in our politics, not because we are fundamentally fixated on race as a people, or because we are fundamentally ethnocentric. Not at all. It is simply because of history, and colonial manipulation that race separates us. It is a known fact that indentures were brought here after emancipation to provide competition for Africans in sugar, and thus to ensure continuation of the crop. The planter class were interested in keeping wages down, and making sure that they had workers on the job come Monday morning. With the advent of party politics, East Indians in particular showed preference for a party logic that would ensure the concerns of their communities, including cultural preservation, will be met.
Ask Sat Maharaj about this, and about which is the party of Hindus.
The definitive study on this is that done by anthropologist Morton Klass. Trinidad was not the only country in the world to which people were transported deviously for the purpose of working on plantations, and where the sociology was thus shaped. In Guyana and Malaysia there was the same thing. Early in the 20th century, Trinidad was recognised by anthropologists as a country that seemed to meet the criteria of the plural society as identified by Furnival. Drawing on examples from South Asia, Furnival defined the plural society as one in which the people mixed but did not combine. They met in the market place for economic reasons then went back to their local communities within which they were sealed off from each other, having no “social will”. Klass observed that Africans wanted a mixed Creole society, but Indians wanted to preserve culture. Thus party politics reflected the social status quo.
In 2000 the census of Malaysia showed that 58 per cent of the population were native Malay, 24 per cent Chinese, eight per cent Indian, and ten per cent other ethnicities. The dominant political parties in the country, since the Second World War, were the United Malays National Organisation (UMNO), the Malaysian Chinese Association (MCA), and the Malaysian Indian Congress (MIC).
There was no disingenuous concealment of the racial logic of political parties. In 1946, recognising that economic progress could not proceed in the face of open racial politics, the three dominant parties banded together to form the Barisan National Front. This coalition has ruled the country since then.
What we can notice in our country is that whenever there is a credible coalition party, the African voter pulls away from the PNM. That softness of loyalty comes from the party being tongue-tied and afraid to identify who its core supporters are, and what are their needs. But it also comes, as Klass observed, form African longing for the creole society—the melting pot.
Raffique Shah points out in a recent article the importance of the African vote to the People’s Partnership victory, and he urged Ramlogan and others to tone down their alienating rhetoric.
What Shah is saying is there is not a strong connection between the PNM and its supporters, even in the corridor.
Long time Tantie Popo used to say “Mind yuh business”.
Yes, despite the saffron dress, and her proclamation of Chaguanas as the “heartland”, people in Charlotteville, Toco, San Fernando, and Arima voted for Kamla Persad-Bissessar the last time.
But the partnership ignored them after the election. Fazal Karim could see only youth from south of the Caroni river when he talks about skills training. He has moved the headquarters of COSTAATT to Chaguanas.
Black people now stand at the margins of the society, as Education Minister Tim Gopeesingh stands in front of the denominational school, never the Government school, smiling and proclaiming the scholars, as men in tunics move the body of yet another unemployed black dropout from the school system to the Forensic’s Unit. A gangster in the employ of somebody distant.
The PNM has to learn how to speak openly about this, even as it courts the vote of all races, as it should. Basdeo Panday in his time was unashamed in speaking to his “sugar workers.” And Kamla has made it clear her people must have a law school and hospital.
Post by: Bourbon on November 05, 2014, 07:48:03 AM
But..there are points to consider in that.
Post by: Deeks on November 05, 2014, 11:46:43 AM
If allyuh start at this rate wha go happen time they announce elections?
But..there are points to consider in that.
Then we will just put the election stuff. That will get priority. Simple!
Post by: Ramgoat on November 05, 2014, 10:06:42 PM
No I don't think that you fakin nuthin . but when it is said and done Trinidad is paradise compared to other Caribbean countries . Could have even be better except for the mismanagement for the last 40 years.I regularly visit this thread for comic relief . I enjoy the expressions of fake outrage about everything that is wrong with Trinidad .
Goat, you maybe right, but I am quite sure most Trinis have serious concern when things go wrong in the country. Some may fake and some,(like me, sometimes bury my head in the sand because I just get fed up). But we have concerns for TT. I from EDR. You think I faking about the current situation in East Pos.
Post by: Sando prince on November 06, 2014, 07:36:48 AM
What are the chances of another cabinet re-shuffle close to an election? Min of Health may be the next victim because he doing rhel shit now and people in the country calling for a resignation.
A cabinet like a deck of cards that needs to be re-shuffled every couple months
Post by: Socapro on November 06, 2014, 11:11:06 PM
Senator and PNM Candidate Stuart Young gives an inspiring feature address at the Heliconia Foundation's Membership meeting on October 30th 2014.
http://www.youtube.com/v/zmy3fogAOgc
Post by: lefty on November 07, 2014, 06:22:51 AM
Heliconia Foundation Presents: Senator Stuart Young
Senator and PNM Candidate Stuart Young gives an inspiring feature address at the Heliconia Foundation's Membership meeting on October 30th 2014.
http://www.youtube.com/v/zmy3fogAOgc
pro I eh too intrigued about d tone and direction yuh takin diss thread you know.......open ah candidate profile thread nah or someting and save this for news and views dat could affect d elections...........come nah
Post by: Socapro on November 07, 2014, 11:22:17 AM
Heliconia Foundation Presents: Senator Stuart Young
Senator and PNM Candidate Stuart Young gives an inspiring feature address at the Heliconia Foundation's Membership meeting on October 30th 2014.
http://www.youtube.com/v/zmy3fogAOgc
pro I eh too intrigued about d tone and direction yuh takin diss thread you know.......open ah candidate profile thread nah or someting and save this for news and views dat could affect d elections...........come nah
If you knew me by now Lefty then you would know that I would tell you that you should go start that thread yourself and not sit down there like some sort of lazy slave master and order me to do something that is totally unnecessary that you can easily do yourself.
As far as I am concerned the video is related to the upcoming General Elections and intelligent people will also look at the candidates they are being asked to vote for. With that in mind the video is quite suitable for posting to this thread that I started and nothing you can say will make me change my opinion on that so why waste your breathe?
Post by: lefty on November 07, 2014, 05:37:38 PM
Post by: Socapro on November 07, 2014, 06:16:59 PM
fine line between provokin opinion and attempting to sway it......does done have to put up wit dat shit with d PP propaganda....guess ah sensitive regardless where it come from....go brave ouiPolitics is biased from every political party's point of view so why would you expect something from the PNM to be balanced towards the PP?
Right now most people in T&T are sick and tired of the PP propaganda adverts about their government working for them that they are being forced to look at every 15 minutes on most of the TV channels and even when they go to the cinema in order to get away from the propaganda.
Do you see me complaining when we keep in mind that those adverts are being paid for with T&T taxpayers money siphoned from the treasury? No you don't, so stop complaining about a PNM video promoting the merits of one of their young candidates.
Post by: lefty on November 07, 2014, 06:45:21 PM
fine line between provokin opinion and attempting to sway it......does done have to put up wit dat shit with d PP propaganda....guess ah sensitive regardless where it come from....go brave ouiPolitics is biased from every political party's point of view so why would you expect something from the PNM to be balanced towards the PP?
Right now most people in T&T are sick and tired of the PP propaganda adverts about their government working for them that they are being forced to look at every 15 minutes on most of the TV channels and even when they go to the cinema in order to get away from the propaganda.
Do you see me complaining when we keep in mind that those adverts are being paid for with T&T taxpayers money siphoned from the treasury? No you don't, so stop complaining about a PNM video promoting the merits of one of their young candidates.
see mih point fly right over yuh head so I done
Post by: Socapro on November 09, 2014, 02:01:53 AM
fine line between provokin opinion and attempting to sway it......does done have to put up wit dat shit with d PP propaganda....guess ah sensitive regardless where it come from....go brave ouiPolitics is biased from every political party's point of view so why would you expect something from the PNM to be balanced towards the PP?
Right now most people in T&T are sick and tired of the PP propaganda adverts about their government working for them that they are being forced to look at every 15 minutes on most of the TV channels and even when they go to the cinema in order to get away from the propaganda.
Do you see me complaining when we keep in mind that those adverts are being paid for with T&T taxpayers money siphoned from the treasury? No you don't, so stop complaining about a PNM video promoting the merits of one of their young candidates.
see mih point fly right over yuh head so I done
I got your point which is why I said to start with that Politics is biased from every political party's point of view.
You need to get realistic and enter into the real world.
Post by: Deeks on November 09, 2014, 10:34:33 AM
Goat, the real issue is that Black people did not put their economic house in order after 40 yrs. The now reapping what they sow. NOTHING!
Post by: Deeks on November 09, 2014, 11:08:15 AM
Cleavon Raphael
Published:
Sunday, November 9, 2014
UNC PRO, Rodney Charles
Former T&T ambassador to the United Nations, Rodney Charles is back home to lead the election campaign for the ruling People’s Partnership administration in the run-up to the 2015 general election. Charles is convinced the PP will retain political office because the PNM has stuck to its old policies which failed the party in the 2010 polls. Charles said the PNM does not have the intellectual capacity to convince the electorate to put the party back into power.
Q: Mr Charles, your political allegiance is with the People’s Partnership coalition Government, but why did you give up what in anybody’s estimation was the cushy job of our country’s ambassador to the United Nations to become PRO and campaign manager of the main component of the PP’s administration, the United National Congress (UNC)?
A: (A broad smile at the Rienzi Complex headquarters of the UNC) Well before we get there, let me say that my three-year experience at the UN was exhilarating, fascinating, and one which afforded me the invaluable opportunity to get a major understanding of international affairs.
My tour of duty there, I think, raised the profile of T&T as I visited more than ten countries, I acted for the president of the UN’s General Assembly, and T&T made its voice heard on such serious global topics as climate change, sustainable development, the role of small states, and the UN’s work in Haiti.
And at the UN—even today—I always relied on the guidance of Prime Minister Mrs Kamla Persad-Bissessar who was, and is, highly respected internationally. To answer the second part of your question, Clevon, at this stage of my life the future of T&T is more important than anything else. I believe that the Prime Minister is the best person to take this country forward at this time. So when Mrs Persad-Bissessar called on me to assist the campaign, I was most willing to comply with her request.
Ok, Mr Charles, let’s not get into general election campaign mode just yet, it is still more than a year to go, right?
True, true, but part of my current assignment with my colleagues in the PP and the UNC, to be brief, is to ensure that she continues in her thrust to help our country live up to its potential and achieve its destiny as the best country in the world in which to live and raise our families. The UN was a very good experience, but it’s time to move on.
Although it is a bit too early, how are preparations coming along for the 2015 polls?
Quite good and at this point, things are advancing much better than the timelines we established. As you know, the party has remained very active in the past four-plus years since we were elected as part of the PP administration. We’ve been in a continuous state of mobilisation, and we’ve engaged a number of party-building exercises to deliver various levels of training and personal development to members and activists.
You make it sound as if you’re ready to roll but…
Yes, the party is always ready, and we’ve grown tremendously since political leader and Prime Minister Persad-Bissessar took charge.
Not wanting to let the cat out of the bag, what will the UNC campaign look like next year?
Our campaign will be very action and achievement focused, rooted in data. We know the distressing extent of damage we found when we took office in 2010, we know the kind of work and commitment it took to clean up that damage and start re-directing our country, and we know the kind of work we put into getting our country on a stronger, more people-centred footing.
I keep hearing that term from the UNC—‘people-centred’, exactly what does the party mean by that, isn’t all of politics ‘people-centred’?
All of politics in democracies in theory is people-centred. But in practice, we have had a different experience at a number of stages in our development. What this means is that we have broken the bad habit of the PNM government of talking people, but not necessarily acting in the peoples’ interest. We talk with the people, listen to the people, and act on their behalf.
Looking at the party’s public position and its stand against Dr Keith Rowley, leader of the Opposition, what are your views on the fitness and readiness of him to assume the mantle of leadership of T&T?
That’s simple, even four years into his tenure as the leader of his party, he has failed to enunciate policies, plans and programmes to take this country forward.
Well it’s one thing to say that, but why exactly do you say that?
Let me give an example. On the Isis matter, Rowley prefers like an ostrich to bury his head in the sand by not stepping up to the plate on an issue of global terrorism. The global community is united in its resolve to confront this issue. He still fails to understand that the fight against terrorism is a responsibility that cannot be ignored.
As a leader of the PNM we await his alternative policies on health, job creation, education and crime. He seems unwilling or unable to articulate alternative policies which will provide voters with a clear choice. We are ready for that policy debate, but the ideas on the PNM side are not forthcoming. Surely a rapid rail project, which will place thousands of taxi drivers on the breadline, is not the best that the PNM can offer us at this time.
I do not want you to anticipate me, but what you’re saying is…
In fact, my apologies, I just want to make this point...After four years as leader of his party, Rowley’s best showing has been to return to a failed and rejected Vision 2020, which he is now re-branding as Vision 2030. The people of our country rejected that vision in 2010 and to now see him having so little imagination that he has no choice but to revert to a failed vision tell us that he is fishing for ideas.
Mr Charles, some of the PNM’s critics are saying that the present leadership of the party does not have the intellectual capacity to regain political office…
But that is precisely why I referred to him rehashing old PNM failed policies. What we’re looking at is Rowley having achieved three dramatic failures with motions of no confidence, and a fabricated e-mail scandal that has ricocheted right back into his lap as his own creation and his own failure.
Speaking about that matter, whatever happened to that scandal?
That is an issue which will in the fullness of time tell us a lot about Rowley and his decision-making processes.
The PNM is now announcing a few fresh faces for the election, so clearly the backlash is not occupying Dr Rowley’s attention…
He will not admit to being worried about what happens next with the e-mail scandal but I assure you, he is quite worried because once those e-mails are proven beyond the shadow of a doubt to have been a complete fabrication, it will tell us whether we can take him seriously.
When you see Dr Rowley talking about a vision 2030, talking about the return of a rapid rail project for which they paid half a billion taxpayers’ dollars for a box of paper, talking about new people and new faces, it is as if he is afflicted with a condition that is causing him to repeat every major PNM mistake.
Mr Charles, do you honestly believe the PP can be returned for a second consecutive term next year?
The UNC and People’s Partnership have taken government beyond the boundaries we inherited. The previous government said things like children can’t get more than a certain amount of money for life-saving treatment because of the law, but we decided that a separate authority must be set up that guarantees children a fighting chance if they need medical care.
The question is not whether the UNC and People’s Partnership will get a second term, (confidently) the question now is by what majority, and that is where our work is focused.
What makes you feel so confident of a PP victory?
I’m happy to tell you…the PNM has always dominated and ruled people. But, we govern and listen to people. The PNM sees itself as being entitled to power, and being entitled to use power the way it wants. The UNC and People’s Partnership believe power belongs to the people, and believe true power resides in the population, not in the institutions of government.
Post by: Deeks on November 09, 2014, 12:09:04 PM
ILP woes
By Indira Rampersad
Story Created: Nov 8, 2014 at 2:59 AM ECT
Story Updated: Nov 8, 2014 at 2:59 AM ECT
The resignation of Lyndira Oudit earlier this week from the Independent Liberal Party (ILP) raises serious questions about the party’s capacity to endure and contest the 2015 general elections. This however, hardly comes as a surprise as the ILP’s fortunes have been on the decline since the Chaguanas West by-elections on July 29, 2013, when the party secured a whooping 12,631 (69 per cent) votes to the UNC’s 5,126 (28 per cent) and the PNM’s 422 (2 per cent).
In the local government election which followed on October 21, 2013, the ILP managed to amass 102,918 votes to the PNM’s 188,393, the UNC’s 122,346 and the COP’s 32,496 votes.
It was in the St Joseph by-election of November 4, 2013, however, the ILP’s woes began to surface. The PNM wrested the seat from the UNC with 6,356 votes compared to the UNC’s 5,577 and the ILP’s 1,976. The ILP candidate, Om Lalla, lost his deposit.
Since then, the ILP’s short history has been riddled with a spate of defections and resignations. In early November, 2013, former ILP councillor, Faaiq Mohammed, broke ranks with the party and voted in favour of the UNC resulting in the failure to elect a new Chaguanas mayor and deputy mayor.
In late November, 2013, former interim chairman, Robin Montano, resigned from the ILP claiming he “was not into window dressing”. He had joined the ILP for change but felt that “things had gotten derailed and diverted” and “there was no room for dialogue with his former political leader”. Mr Montano lamented then he had “no real power nor authority” and “neither he nor the executive committee were involved in decision-making”.
In July 2014, the defected Chaguanas councillor, Faaiq Mohammed, was accused by ILP leader, Jack Warner, of taking a bribe. He took the matter to court and was awarded just under $.25 million for character attack. Justice Vasheist Kokaram ruled that Warner’s allegation was “out-of-place, irresponsible and unsubstantiated.”
Then came the resignation of former deputy political leader, Anna Deonarine, in early September. At about that same time, she was seen posing in a warm welcome with the UNC’s Oropouche West MP, Roodal Moonilal, at an Independence Day classical singing competition which Minister Moonilal hosted in Debe.
In late September, Reneera Chan, the lone ILP councillor at the Tunapuna/Piarco Regional Corporation, resigned from the party. Ms Chan felt it was unconscionable to continue to support the ILP because its primary objective was to put the Opposition PNM back into power in the 2015 general elections. The next day, former Balmain/Calcutta No. 2 local government candidate, Indarjit Seepersad, announced his resignation from the ILP, saying he did not like the direction in which the party is heading.
ILP woes are again evident with the resignation of Lyndira Oudit this week. Questions abound as to what has prompted all these resignations. It had come as a surprise when Mr Warner had passed the baton of the ILP leadership to Ms Oudit in a non-election where members of the executive were nominated, rather than elected. That the executive positions were uncontested was a good indication of a party in serious decline. This could have been Mr Warner’s rationale for relinquishing the leadership.
As for Ms Deonarine, given the timing, one can only surmise that her resignation had to do with the meteoric rise of Ms Oudit to the position of political leader and the clandestine cat fight which ensued.
Like Montano, Deonarine and the ILP councillors, Ms Oudit seems disenchanted with the way business is conducted in the party. Her bare utterances suggest that there is an element of autocracy on the part of Warner which does not allow anyone to rise above him. Echoing the words of Montano, Oudit “felt her leadership was a showpiece, since Warner, made the decisions even though she was nominally the leader. Ms Oudit stated that “The party always has, had or seen Mr Warner as being the leader. It was his party from April, May, June, July last year to the present time. So you cannot separate the party from Jack Warner and vice versa.” In short, Mr Warner has been sitting comfortably in the passenger seat of the ILP while dexterously controlling the steering wheel.
Now Mr Warner has resumed leadership of the party admitting that Ms Oudit had never made the transition to political leader. But what exactly is responsible for this?
Is it the very strong and indomitable persona of Jack Warner and a tendency on his part to autocracy? Or is it the frailty of Oudit herself, who like many others, grossly miscalculated the potential of the ILP.
Who, then, is left in the ILP and what lies ahead for Jack Warner? Hardly prepared to deploy the endless resources as before, Warner may be fast becoming another leader without a party as Chaguanas West seems more than likely to return to the UNC in 2015.
Post by: zuluwarrior on November 09, 2014, 09:50:18 PM
Santa ask mama kams to bring that for me .
Post by: Sando prince on November 10, 2014, 12:31:34 AM
Poll: PNM will take marginals in 2015 election
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Poll-PNM-will-take-marginals-in-2015-election-282090731.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Poll-PNM-will-take-marginals-in-2015-election-282090731.html)
By Joel Julien
Story Created: Nov 9, 2014 at 10:55 PM ECT
Story Updated: Nov 9, 2014 at 10:55 PM ECT
IF the general election constitutionally due next year were held now, the People’s National Movement (PNM) would get the most votes in the marginal constituencies of Tunapuna and San Fernando West, according to the findings of a poll conducted by the North American Caribbean Teachers Association (NACTA).
The PNM would however not get the “majority support” and a run-off election will be triggered, the poll’s results found.
“The findings of an opinion survey conducted by the North American Caribbean Teachers Association (NACTA) last month showed the opposition PNM taking an early lead in the marginal Tunapuna and San Fernando West seats in the next general elections,” a release from NACTA stated yesterday.
“If an election were held now, the PNM will wrest both seats from the (Congress of the People) COP with plurality support in a three-way contest (with the ILP or some other third force) if the incumbents, Carolyn Seepersad-Bachan and Winston Dookeran respectively, are the nominees,” the poll stated.
Dookeran is the Foreign Affairs Minister while Seepersad-Bachan is the Minister of Public Administration.
The poll stated that both the PNM and the People’s Partnership are in a close race to win the general election with the COP only likely to win the St Augustine seat currently held by its political leader Legal Affairs Minister Prakash Ramadhar.
“The PP and PNM are running almost neck and neck nationally in popular support as well as in projected seats they expect to win. However, if the ruling People’s Partnership were to replace the incumbents in both as well as in several marginal seats with credible alternatives and if the electoral system were also to be changed requiring a run off if no candidate gets majority support, the PP is likely to improve its chance of retaining both seats as well as the government,” the NACTA release stated.
“Large majorities of voters in Sando West and Tunapuna, as indeed in several other government held marginal seats, are extremely dissatisfied with the representation of the incumbent MPs. Tunapuna and San Fernando West, and several other seats, are proving to be tough challenges for the PP to retain as the PNM seems to be on course to recapture several traditional seats (on the East-West corridor) it lost to the PP in the May 2010 general elections. The COP is not likely to win any seat except St Augustine which has been a traditional UNC (United National Congress) seat,” it stated.
Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar is still “very likable nationally” but several ministers are “repulsive”, the NACTA poll stated.
“The poll shows Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar is very likable nationally and voters would like to give her a second term, but they don’t like several of the incumbents and Ministers who the population find repulsive. Major changes in UNC (PP) candidate selection would improve her chance of re-election. Voters point to several of the fresh faces being attracted to the PNM under Dr Keith Rowley’s leadership enhancing the PNM’s electoral prospect,” the release stated.
“A large percentage of voters say they are undecided or want a third force, disenchanted with the two major political forces. The third force and the undecided voters hold the key to which party will win the marginal seats and the next elections. It was found that the PNM would likely wrest several marginal seats from the PP in a one-to-one contest. But if the third force were to join the PP or the PNM in an electoral arrangement, the findings show such an alliance would more than likely capture the government. In a run-off, if no party were to win a majority, the PP is likely to retain several marginal seats improving its prospect of winning a second term in office,” it stated,
The findings of last month’s poll, conducted by Dr Vishnu Bisram, were obtained from interviews with 150 respondents in each constituency reflecting its demographics. A poll conducted last July/August revealed similar findings.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Poll-PNM-will-take-marginals-in-2015-election-282090731.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Poll-PNM-will-take-marginals-in-2015-election-282090731.html)
Post by: Bourbon on November 10, 2014, 05:09:56 AM
These polls are important but should not be taken as testament to what will happen on election day. However not surprised a lot of people are disappointed and displeased with the current government.
Poll: PNM will take marginals in 2015 election
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Poll-PNM-will-take-marginals-in-2015-election-282090731.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Poll-PNM-will-take-marginals-in-2015-election-282090731.html)
“A large percentage of voters say they are undecided or want a third force, disenchanted with the two major political forces. The third force and the undecided voters hold the key to which party will win the marginal seats and the next elections. It was found that the PNM would likely wrest several marginal seats from the PP in a one-to-one contest. But if the third force were to join the PP or the PNM in an electoral arrangement, the findings show such an alliance would more than likely capture the government. In a run-off, if no party were to win a majority, the PP is likely to retain several marginal seats improving its prospect of winning a second term in office,” it stated,
The findings of last month’s poll, conducted by Dr Vishnu Bisram, were obtained from interviews with 150 respondents in each constituency reflecting its demographics. A poll conducted last July/August revealed similar findings.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Poll-PNM-will-take-marginals-in-2015-election-282090731.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Poll-PNM-will-take-marginals-in-2015-election-282090731.html)
I dont follow this.
In a one to one fight...the PNM would have the edge (which....historically the parties opposed to the PNM cite that as the time they most likely to beat the PNM.) The run-off seems to have that sentiment in mind.How then would a third force joining either way be likely to give that party an advantage? It would still be a one-on-one fight. The undecided factor is pivotal....but there's a reason they undecided. I dont think its a good assumption to simply say well...ALL the undecided/third party voters would throw their lot behind a particular party.
It seems like they playing a game with the figures. Like saying for 10 people....4 voting PNM.....3 voting PP....and 1 for a third party..and 2 undecided. It seems to me that the assumption is being made that if the third party joins with the PP...that those that chose the third party are certain to still vote the same way giving the PP 4...or vice versa with the PNM. The undecided I agree is a key vote..and I think thats where both major parties realize and focus...the PP with their media blitz and run-off...the PNM with their early declaration of candidates and their articulation of their plan. How effective the latter will be is yet to be seen...but....I not taking any basket from any poll..especially at this point in time.
Notice....government scandal news at a low. Not to say things eh happening..but...as part of the media blitz..they making sure and cover everything they can. The PP plan in full swing at the moment....which is no surprise...they know their future depends heavily on it.
Post by: Deeks on November 10, 2014, 04:50:04 PM
Post by: Sando prince on November 10, 2014, 04:54:04 PM
Notice....government scandal news at a low. Not to say things eh happening..but...as part of the media blitz..they making sure and cover everything they can. The PP plan in full swing at the moment....which is no surprise...they know their future depends heavily on it.
Buh yuh nuh notice at every traffic light there are advertisements saying 'Your government working for you'. smh
Post by: Socapro on November 10, 2014, 11:17:45 PM
Monday, November 10 2014 (T&T Newsday)
THE Independent Liberal Party will be contesting 23 seats in the next general election. According to the ILP, the constituencies are: Arima, Barataria/San Juan, Caroni Central, Caroni East, Chaguanas East and West, Couva North, Cumuto/Manzanilla, D’Abadie/O’Meara, Diego Martin West, Fyzabad, Lopinot/Bon Air West, Mayaro, Moruga/Tableland, Pointe-a-Pierre, Port-of-Spain South, San Fernando West, Siparia, St Joseph, Tabaquite, Toco/Sangre Grande, Tunapuna and Tobago East.
The party also noted that shadow MPs were appointed in each of the 23 constituencies to be contested and the Executive Committee of the ILP will meet with them next week Sunday. The ILP’s Meet the Constituents tour will begin on Thursday in the constituency of Toco/Sangre Grande, with a cottage meeting to be held at the Damarie Hill Recreation Ground, at which the party’s political leader Jack Warner will be the feature speaker.
On November 20, the ILP will continue the tour to Lopinot/Bon Air West and on November 27 in the constituency of D’Abadie/O’Meara. ILP alderman in the Couva/Tabaquite /Talparo Regional Corporation, Sunil Ranjitsingh, was also elected as one of the party’s deputy political leaders to fill the vacancy created when attorney Rekha Ramjit was elected party chairman. The ILP also noted that its executive committee on Saturday met with a firm of Canadian consultants to review a new health plan for the country as it begins preparing its 2015 election manifesto.
Post by: Socapro on November 17, 2014, 01:34:08 PM
Yvonne Baboolal (T&T Guardian)
Published: Monday, November 17, 2014
The People’s National Movement (PNM) will embark on constitution reform, create a revenue authority for greater efficiency in tax collection and rehaul the social welfare system to cut down on state dependency immediately upon assuming office in 2015. Tobago will also be granted internal self governance, there will be an abolition of appeals to the Privy Council, the institution of the Caribbean Court of Justice (CCJ) as the final court of appeal and investment in the development of the city of Port-of-Spain.
These are some of the plans contained in the PNM’s Vision 2030 policy document and in a National Election Contract disclosed by Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley at the party’s 45th annual convention at the Queen’s Park Savannah, Port-of-Spain, yesterday. Rowley announced the plans in the party’s policy document, “The Road Ahead to 2030, Building a Nation, Together.” He said while the PNM’s position remains that the 1976 Republican Constitution has served T&T well, reform may be required. “We will embark on that process immediately on getting into office so that there is enough time for consultation, analysis and debate to take place before the reforms go to Parliament.”
Areas of Constitution reform will include:
• Internal Self Government for Tobago and the nature of the unitary state of T&T.
• Abolition of appeals to the Privy Council and instituting the CCJ as our final appellate court
• The role and functions of the service commissions
• Appointment of a commissioner of police
• The role and functions of the Salaries Review Commission
• The Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions and the exercise of prosecutorial authority in relation to white collar crime
• Electoral system reform
• Clarification of the role and powers of the President.
Rowley said among the challenges the PNM will face is the issue of state dependency by “millionaire and scrunter” alike. He said a raft of welfare support and other programmes resulting from oil revenues had engendered the “deep underbelly of chronic dependency” seen today in particular sections of the society. “Too many people, from millionaire to scrunter, have become entirely dependent on the state,” he said. “In fact we now have some CEPEP contracts which have been captured by businessmen who obtain the contracts and make considerable profit from them while providing little or no training or improvements for workers nor any migrating of their companies from the programme. “If, and I daresay when oil prices and energy sector revenues collapse, we will not be able to maintain these expenditures and the social consequences might be dire.”
A Rowley-led government will create a tax authority to maximise revenue collection, he said. And while the PNM supports the development of different regions in T&T, the capital city must be treated like a capital city. “While we will support and encourage planned regional development in Trinidad and in Tobago, as well as the sensible decentralisation of government services, we will continue to invest in the development of the capital city of Port-of-Spain,” he said, noting the People’s Partnership Government is, at present, spending billions to upgrade Chaguanas to city status. Rowley said crime was a challenge the PNM will also have to face, especially murders. “The response here is to train and sustain, at all levels from parent to commissioner,” he said.
Post by: Brownsugar on November 25, 2014, 06:17:28 PM
By Ria Taitt Political Editor
Former prime minister Patrick Manning has announced that he is considering offering himself as a candidate for the PNM in the next general election.
Manning made the announcement at the constituency’s regular Monday night meeting. Sources said the meeting was supposed to be the forum at which Manning was expected to propose a nominee of his choice to the constituency for screening by the party’s Screening Committee. The party has called for nominations for the San Fernando East constituency and the deadline for the submission of nominees is December 1.
However Manning told the meeting last night that he was considering running for the San Fernando East constituency for yet another time. Manning has represented the constituency for 43 years and holds the record for being the longest serving MP.
Manning who suffered a major stroke in January 2011, was away from Parliament for two years due to ill health. Since returning to the Parliament, he has never spoken in any debate. He also does not attend party caucus or party meetings or conventions. Sources said Manning said he was considering returning as a candidate as long as his health permitted. Manning has challenges with speech as well as mobility.
Manning had previously stated that he would be bowing out of politics after this parliamentary term was over. He reiterated his position as recently as last October during the Local Government election. Thus, his announcement last night, caught many by surprise.
The Screening Committee is chaired by Political Leader Dr Keith Rowley and comprises all the officers of the party. Rowley is currently out of the country.
Up to press time the meeting of the San Fernando East constituency was still in session.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Manning-considering-running-for-election-283793391.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Manning-considering-running-for-election-283793391.html)
Post by: Sando prince on November 25, 2014, 07:42:38 PM
Post by: weary1969 on November 26, 2014, 10:43:17 AM
Post by: Sando prince on November 26, 2014, 01:57:26 PM
Tony Fraser: The odds are against the PP
As the election campaign begins to take centre stage, the odds are against the People’s Partnership government being returned to office whenever the elections are called sometime between the present and September 2015. And it seems that in particular, Attorney General Ramlogan is making too much of the September deadline; it is a basic rule that when politicians say run, that is the time not to move a muscle.
http://www.guardian.co.tt/columnist/2014-11-26/odds-are-against-pp (http://www.guardian.co.tt/columnist/2014-11-26/odds-are-against-pp)
Post by: lefty on November 26, 2014, 06:30:34 PM
Tony Fraser: The odds are against the PP
As the election campaign begins to take centre stage, the odds are against the People’s Partnership government being returned to office whenever the elections are called sometime between the present and September 2015. And it seems that in particular, Attorney General Ramlogan is making too much of the September deadline; it is a basic rule that when politicians say run, that is the time not to move a muscle.
http://www.guardian.co.tt/columnist/2014-11-26/odds-are-against-pp (http://www.guardian.co.tt/columnist/2014-11-26/odds-are-against-pp)
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Post by: Bourbon on November 26, 2014, 08:14:28 PM
Yeah they up against it but they have some cards they holding to drop. Like hdc houses and "regularisation of illegal immigrants". The demonize Rowley in full swing. The PR machine running.
Watch the ride. Cause it liable to have real comess... To unprecedented Heights for this election.
Post by: Sando prince on November 30, 2014, 03:05:25 PM
Trinidad Express Poll (November 30th)
WHICH PARTY DO YOU THINK IS BEST AT......
PROVIDING BENEFITS:
PNM 29% UNC 28%
PERFORMANCE:
PNM 30% UNC 26 %
ETHICAL LEADERSHIP:
PNM 33% UNC 23%
(https://scontent-2.2914.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10624975_10203054367460751_22405753733743232_n.jpg?oh=d93e3557cce67a49f6e8c5981056cc35&oe=551A5E53)
Post by: Sando prince on November 30, 2014, 03:14:10 PM
Post by: Bourbon on November 30, 2014, 06:55:08 PM
Like this for example circulating on social media today:
Quote
Mom, Aunts and Grandmother (with young kids) just walked out of MT (There celebrating my mother's birthday) to find my aunts SUV tires flattened and this note on her windscreen. After a quick look around they noticed other people (only of White and Asian decent) had the air let out of their tires as well... people really trying to start a race war in Trinidad? The height of ignorance here is ridiculous! The f**ked up thing is you couldn't find more mixed up people (race wise) than my family, AND We are some of the most tolerant, accepting people you will ever meet (just look at my siblings and my spouses/SO's-- United Nations over here) Please people, we shouldn't be encountering shit like this in 2014 especially in a place as ethnically diverse as T&T... #ThisIsNotFerguson #ReallyNiggaz? ..... Happy Birthday mummy!!! Carmelita Akan-Butts
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/1620564_10100427333349392_5479973026818262678_n.jpg?oh=721f7372fb71dfd85484aeecc61c4876&oe=550E3467&__gda__=1426791006_0b013b983a51ba9c01dd102dfed838bb)
Seen anything similar previously?
Post by: Sando prince on November 30, 2014, 07:19:25 PM
Post by: Bourbon on November 30, 2014, 07:36:31 PM
^^ You can tell its fake. There is no letterhead, all in CAPS, no signature. You always see this type of idiot nonsense right after polling results has been published. Any ignorant fool with ah ole computer can copy the PNM logo and type that nonsense.
You'd be surprised how many people going to town on this.
Post by: Sando prince on November 30, 2014, 08:04:37 PM
^^ You can tell its fake. There is no letterhead, all in CAPS, no signature. You always see this type of idiot nonsense right after polling results has been published. Any ignorant fool with ah ole computer can copy the PNM logo and type that nonsense.
You'd be surprised how many people going to town on this.
Maybe the intention is probably to cast fear in a racial group to not vote PNM. Between now and election day we will see how much T&T have matured.
Post by: Socapro on November 30, 2014, 11:06:10 PM
Yeah the undecided. And I tell yuh it going and have some unprecedented lengths being reached.
Like this for example circulating on social media today:QuoteMom, Aunts and Grandmother (with young kids) just walked out of MT (There celebrating my mother's birthday) to find my aunts SUV tires flattened and this note on her windscreen. After a quick look around they noticed other people (only of White and Asian decent) had the air let out of their tires as well... people really trying to start a race war in Trinidad? The height of ignorance here is ridiculous! The f**ked up thing is you couldn't find more mixed up people (race wise) than my family, AND We are some of the most tolerant, accepting people you will ever meet (just look at my siblings and my spouses/SO's-- United Nations over here) Please people, we shouldn't be encountering shit like this in 2014 especially in a place as ethnically diverse as T&T... #ThisIsNotFerguson #ReallyNiggaz? ..... Happy Birthday mummy!!! Carmelita Akan-Butts
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/1620564_10100427333349392_5479973026818262678_n.jpg?oh=721f7372fb71dfd85484aeecc61c4876&oe=550E3467&__gda__=1426791006_0b013b983a51ba9c01dd102dfed838bb)
Seen anything similar previously?
I am sure that was done by racist PP supporters trying their best to make the PNM look as racist as they are. I put nothing below the racist supporters of this clearly corrupt and racist government who are out to destroy T&T for good because of their greed and self serving racist agenda.
But this is what happens when you have a racist divisive party in power that wants to turn T&T into another Guyana. Give them 5 more years and that nightmare for T&T is guaranteed and as the PM says in a popular radio advert the job is 90% completed and ongoing but she needs another 5 years to complete the job.
Nothing is too low for this current racist PP government we currently have in power in T&T. They need to be placed into poltical exile for eternity as they have proven that they are not moraly fit to govern T&T in every department.
Post by: Sando prince on November 30, 2014, 11:20:11 PM
PM, Rowley tie in favourability
MPs losing support in 4 marginal constituencies
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/PM-Rowley-tie-in-favourability-284280741.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/PM-Rowley-tie-in-favourability-284280741.html)
In the next general election San Fernando West and St Joseph are too close to call, the People’s Partnership (PP) has a clear lead in Moruga/Tableland and the People’s National Movement (PNM) is ahead in Tunapuna.
This is the finding of a tracking poll by Solution by Simulation commissioned by the Express.
The poll finds that run-off elections are possible in San Fernando West and St Joseph if the election were held today.
The first in a series of polls of marginal constituencies focuses on Tunapuna, St Joseph, San Fernando West and Moruga/Tableland.
In these four constituencies the two political leaders, Kamla Persad-Bissessar and Dr Keith Rowley, are tied in favourability ratings.
Keep reading the Express for more in a series of 2015 general elections tracking polls in the marginal constituencies to determine which party is likely to sit as the next government.
All polls are being conducted by Solution by Simulation led by Nigel Henry, the country’s newest and most accurate pollster.
Following is the conclusion of the first poll by SBS:
Popularity of the Leaders
In the constituencies polled, the leaders of the two major parties have statistically indistinguishable favourability ratings. Unlike in the national population where the favourability of the Prime Minister typically outperforms the popularity of her party and the favourability of the Opposition Leader typically falls short of the popularity of the PNM, in these constituencies the favourability of the two leaders is essentially on-par with the general election preferences between the parties. The favourability ratings of the two leaders are in the low 40s, compared to their national approval ratings in the high forties.
On average, respondents had a net negative approval rating of their Member of Parliament, with 41 per cent approving and 46 per cent disapproving of the job that each is doing. However, among the four constituencies there was a clear distinction between approval ratings of the MPs in the COP-controlled constituencies—both of which are in the low 30s—and the approval ratings of the MPs in St Joseph and Moruga/Tableland—both of which are in the high 40s.
Third parties and
the “Run-off” factor
Overall, four per cent of those polled support the Independent Liberal Party (ILP), and all other parties combined for 5 per cent. The ILP’s support has drastically dropped from its peak of 23 per cent nationally in the Local Government Election in 2013 and whatever supporters remain are more likely to be men than women.
If the proposed constitutional amendment provisions are passed, the high third party vote (9 per cent on average) creates the possibility of a “run-off” election in all four seats polled, and perhaps others not polled. This poll almost guarantees that run-off elections would be held in San Fernando West and St Joseph if the election were held today. In these seats, whichever party’s supporters return to the polls in higher numbers and captures more votes of third party supporters, would make the difference.
However, in these four constituencies, the proportion of major-party supporters who would return to vote in a decisive run-off election is a statistical tie: 88 per cent for the PP and 87 per cent for the PNM. Similarly, the proportion of third-party supporters who would prefer the PNM and the PP in a run-off situation is also a statistical tie: 19 per cent each for the PNM and the PP.
Stability of the Current Situation
As may be expected in the marginal constituencies, although the race is tight many voters admit that they may change their support within the coming months. Overall, of those voters who currently have a favourite, 32 per cent will likely reconsider their options; only 50 per cent said that their choice is unlikely to change, while the remaining 18 per cent are not sure.
The Partnership’s supporters are twice as likely to be “soft” in their support as the PNM’s supporters. As many as 43 per cent of PP supporters are likely to reconsider their choice, while about two-thirds of PNM supporters say that they are very unlikely to reconsider their choice within the coming months.
The major groups of voters who are wavering in their support are voters of mixed race and Indo-Trinidadian voters in the Moruga/Tableland constituency. This may mean that the competition in Moruga/Tableland may tighten as we draw nearer to the election.
Methodology
This survey was commissioned as exclusive research for the Express Newspapers and conducted by Solution by Simulation. Six hundred and thirty-five (635) persons were interviewed during the period November 18th - Nov 21st 2014 via Interactive Voice Response (IVR) and live telephone calls.
An address-based sampling frame was used which involves matching publicly available landline numbers to their constituencies by address. Telephone numbers were then selected by a weighted random generator such that the number of dials into each polling division was proportional to the number of voters in that polling division. Respondents within households had to be at least 18 years old (of voting age) and willing to participate. The margin of error is +/- 3.9 percentage points in the overall sample and +/- 8.1 percentage points in results presented by constituency. Data was weighted by constituency.
Undecided voters in the marginal constituencies are almost twice as likely to be women as men, and they are much more likely to be of mixed ethnicity than any other ethnicity. Most of them have not formed a firm opinion of the major candidates for Prime Minister, and the majority of them are not traditional supporters of any particular political party. About half of them think they will form an opinion by Election Day. More than any other segment of society, they are most interested in a party who can directly provide benefits to ordinary people.
About Solution by Simulation
Solution by Simulation (SBS) is a data analysis firm which uses computer modelling to probe and provide insight into human behaviour. SBS provides market research and data analysis services for a number of commercial, academic, and civil society clients. SBS was founded by Nigel AR Henry, BS (Yale) MA (GWU), following Mr Henry’s service as the lead numerical analyst for the Southeast US for Obama for America campaign. SBS debuted in Trinidad and Tobago producing the only published poll to forecast the 12-0 victory of the PNM in the 2013 THA Elections. Over five elections in 2013 and 2014, Solution by Simulation has proven to be consistently accurate in its pre-election polling.
Post by: Sando prince on December 01, 2014, 11:07:09 PM
PNM condemns ‘racist’ posters
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/PNM-condemns--racist-posters-284413291.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/PNM-condemns--racist-posters-284413291.html)
The People’s National Movement (PNM) has said it viewed “with great disgust” certain activities at the weekend where posters purporting to have originated from the party were placed on several vehicles.
“These posters contained vile racist and seditious comments clearly designed to create hatred, fear and division in our country,” Faris Al-Rawi, the PNM’s public relations officer, said yesterday.
“This is a repeat of two heinous incidents, the first of which was at the recent march through Port of Spain where racist placards were displayed and were later determined to have been distributed by unknown persons to paid troublemakers.
“And, the second of which was the placement of equally racist posters, again purported to have originated from the PNM, on several vehicles at the PNM’s immensely successful Divali celebration this year,” he added.
Al-Rawi said in both instances the PNM called for the perpetrators to be charged by the police, adding that “this incident is no different”.
“The tragic idiocy of these messages of hate benefits no one other than those desperate to maintain division in an attempt to stop the solid ascendancy of the PNM.
“There is no place in Trinidad and Tobago for any form of racism and the PNM condemns such acts in the strongest possible terms.”
He said “if this is what the PNM’s opponents have started their election campaigns with, our good citizens should be wary of what is still to come and should collectively denounce and hold with greatest intolerance the desperate actions of the wickedly insidious”.
A general election is due here in 2015 and the latest tracking poll published by the Sunday Express newspaper in four constituencies considered to be marginal and most likely to determine the winner of next year’s poll, shows the race between the People’s Partnership (PP) and the People’s National Movement (PNM) is literally a photo finish with just two constituencies – San Fernando West and St Joseph – too close to call.
There are 41 seats at stake in the election.
“I think it is a very encouraging poll given where we were this time last year, it is very clear last year in our mid terms we were much lower in the polls,” Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar said.
Al-Rawi said the PNM was confident of winning the 2015 general election.
Post by: Sando prince on December 02, 2014, 11:42:33 PM
MP not impressed by the poll results
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Dookerans-Tunapuna-seat-in-jeopardy-284550631.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Dookerans-Tunapuna-seat-in-jeopardy-284550631.html)
Tunapuna MP Winston Dookeran says he is not fazed by an Express tracking poll which predicts the People’s National Movement (PNM) would win that constituency seat as now was the time for pollsters to make money.
“This is a guava season for pollsters, it is the time for them to make their money,” Dookeran told the Express by phone yesterday.
Dookeran won the Tunapuna marginal seat under a Congress of the People (COP) ticket as part of the People’s Partnership Government in 2010. He defeated then PNM candidate Esther LeGendre.
The Express-commissioned poll by Nigel Henry’s Solution by Stimulation (SBS) tracks the likely voting patterns in marginal constituencies in the lead up to the 2015 general election.
This week’s poll targeted eligible voters in Moruga/Tableland, Tunapuna, San Fernando West and St Joseph.
These have been determined to be the marginal constituencies most likely to determine the winner in the 2015 elections.
It shows the race between the People’s Partnership (PP) and the PNM is literally a photo finish with just two constituencies—San Fernando West and St Joseph—too close to call, and each of them almost exactly tied in the polling sample.
The Partnership has a clear lead in Moruga/Tableland and the PNM is ahead in Tunapuna.
Dookeran said he continues to give his best and serve the people and was not affected by any poll results.
He noted he has fought six elections and represented three constituencies during his political career so far—Tunapuna, St Augustine and Chaguanas.
Dookeran opted not to discuss whether he will be defending the Tunapuna seat in next year’s general election.
“Politics is not just about representation to the people, representation is also an important part of how people behave,” said Dookeran.
No PNM candidate has been named yet to contest the Tunapuna seat as the party continues its screening.
—Anna Ramdass
Post by: Sando prince on December 04, 2014, 11:17:40 PM
What we seeing is another PNM vs UNC election. How many seats can the COP, TOP or MSJ can confidently say they will bring home for the PP?
Post by: asylumseeker on December 05, 2014, 04:07:44 AM
Post by: Deeks on December 05, 2014, 06:45:10 AM
Are we nine months away?
What! Your wife expecting.
Post by: Socapro on December 05, 2014, 08:15:48 AM
What we seeing is another PNM vs UNC election. How many seats can the COP, TOP or MSJ can confidently say they will bring home for the PP?
MSJ is no longer part of the PP and COP and TOP not winning any seats for the PP.
Post by: Socapro on December 05, 2014, 08:17:57 AM
Are we nine months away?
According to the country's constitution elections must be held by May 2015 (within 5 years of last elections date) unless there is a State of Emergency where a 3 month extention can be given to take it to August 2015.
Post by: Bourbon on December 05, 2014, 09:34:27 AM
Edit:
Winford James in his normal style analysis of the issue: (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/commentaries/When-the-next-general-election-284697471.html)
Quote
Story Created: Dec 3, 2014 at 11:11 PM ECT
Story Updated: Dec 3, 2014 at 11:11 PM ECT
In an article of September 26, Peter Taylor, a former minister in Patrick Manning’s last star-crossed administration, observed as follows:
“The last general election was held in Trinidad and Tobago on May 24, 2010 and therefore the Government’s five-year term of office ends on May 23, 2015. (…) The Government is therefore morally and constitutionally obliged to call the general election no later than May 23, 2015.”
And at the recent People’s National Movement (PNM) convention on November 16, Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley is reported to have stated that the life of the Parliament ends in June 2014 and a general election can only be held in the 90-day period following June 2015 if there is an emergency.
These two observations were reactions to the declaration by the PM and the AG that the general election can be officially called by September 2015.
So who is right? And more importantly, how can we know?
The Government holds that the 2015 general election can be held in September. The Opposition holds that it must be held in June. And Mr Taylor holds that it should not only be held in May but gives the latest date by which it must be: May 23! Indeed, Mr Taylor says he is preparing to take the matter to court for a determination! How can the understanding of these four people on this matter be so diverse?
Mrs Kamla Persad-Bissessar and Anand Ramlogan are both lawyers—Senior Counsel, if you please—and the former has been in Parliament for over a decade. Dr Rowley is not a lawyer (though his wife and his party’s public relation officer are!) but he has been in Parliament for over two decades. And Mr Taylor is a lawyer and also spent some time as a minister in Mr Manning’s ill-fated government. And yet they have all come up with different months!
What therefore should the man-in-the-street think? What should your columnist think?
Unfortunately, your columnist is not a lawyer, and he may not even qualify as the lowest form of lawyer —the bushie. But, fortunately, he has been dealing with texts and discourses all his life, and has taught text and discourse analysis (what is popularly called “comprehension’’) all of his working life. Using that experience, he has gone to the place where the authorising text lives—the Constitution. He allows that our four protagonists may have gone to the constitution before making their pronouncements, but he has no proof that they did. Indeed, if he were to go by Mr Taylor’s written article as an example, he finds no invocation of the relevant clause(s) and, consequently, no analysis of it/them. How, he wonders, can one argue for a specific election date without reference to an authorising text or, in its absence, an authorising convention?
Of course, it is appreciated that texts are not necessarily self-explanatory but almost always need to be interpreted. It is further appreciated that a robust interpretation depends in part on the cross-referencing of many texts, which may not be feasible in one column, and in further part on contextual knowledge, which is quite feasible. But we need to go to text in any case. Let’s focus on part III of the Constitution “Summoning, prorogation and dissolution’’ and start with clause 67. (1): “Each session of Parliament shall be held at such place within Trinidad and Tobago and shall commence at such time as the President may by proclamation appoint.’’
We are currently with our tenth Parliament and, if memory serves me right, it was “appointed’’ on June 18, 2010. Let’s go next to 68. (2): “…Parliament, unless sooner dissolved, shall continue for five years from the date of its first sitting after any dissolution, and shall then stand dissolved.’’ The tenth Parliament started sitting on June 18, 2010 when it elected Wade Mark as Speaker. If we count five years from that date, we get June 17, 2015.
Is this why Dr Rowley seemed to be saying that the election should be held in June 2015?
Let’s go thirdly to 69 (1): “A general election of members of the House of Representatives shall be held at such time within three months after every dissolution of Parliament as the President, acting in accordance with the advice of the PM, shall appoint.’’
This clause is saying that within 90 days (if we allow 30 days per month) after June 17, the general election must be held. Ninety days takes us to Tuesday, September 15, 2015. Is this why the PM and the AG have been insisting that the election can be called in September?
(To be continued)
Which again leads me to wonder: If a run off supposed to be held within 15 days of the EBC confirming the result..which...even if elections held on 15th Sept.....wouldnt the run offs etc happen in October..meaning this year's budget would have expired..meaning the country would not have a budget in place?
Post by: Socapro on December 05, 2014, 05:05:12 PM
Actually that part being argued. I think the constitution allows for parliament automatically dissolving five years after it first held...which is like June. And due to emergency it could be 3 months after.
Edit:
Winford James in his normal style analysis of the issue: (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/commentaries/When-the-next-general-election-284697471.html)QuoteStory Created: Dec 3, 2014 at 11:11 PM ECT
Story Updated: Dec 3, 2014 at 11:11 PM ECT
In an article of September 26, Peter Taylor, a former minister in Patrick Manning’s last star-crossed administration, observed as follows:
“The last general election was held in Trinidad and Tobago on May 24, 2010 and therefore the Government’s five-year term of office ends on May 23, 2015. (…) The Government is therefore morally and constitutionally obliged to call the general election no later than May 23, 2015.”
And at the recent People’s National Movement (PNM) convention on November 16, Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley is reported to have stated that the life of the Parliament ends in June 2014 and a general election can only be held in the 90-day period following June 2015 if there is an emergency.
These two observations were reactions to the declaration by the PM and the AG that the general election can be officially called by September 2015.
So who is right? And more importantly, how can we know?
The Government holds that the 2015 general election can be held in September. The Opposition holds that it must be held in June. And Mr Taylor holds that it should not only be held in May but gives the latest date by which it must be: May 23! Indeed, Mr Taylor says he is preparing to take the matter to court for a determination! How can the understanding of these four people on this matter be so diverse?
Mrs Kamla Persad-Bissessar and Anand Ramlogan are both lawyers—Senior Counsel, if you please—and the former has been in Parliament for over a decade. Dr Rowley is not a lawyer (though his wife and his party’s public relation officer are!) but he has been in Parliament for over two decades. And Mr Taylor is a lawyer and also spent some time as a minister in Mr Manning’s ill-fated government. And yet they have all come up with different months!
What therefore should the man-in-the-street think? What should your columnist think?
Unfortunately, your columnist is not a lawyer, and he may not even qualify as the lowest form of lawyer —the bushie. But, fortunately, he has been dealing with texts and discourses all his life, and has taught text and discourse analysis (what is popularly called “comprehension’’) all of his working life. Using that experience, he has gone to the place where the authorising text lives—the Constitution. He allows that our four protagonists may have gone to the constitution before making their pronouncements, but he has no proof that they did. Indeed, if he were to go by Mr Taylor’s written article as an example, he finds no invocation of the relevant clause(s) and, consequently, no analysis of it/them. How, he wonders, can one argue for a specific election date without reference to an authorising text or, in its absence, an authorising convention?
Of course, it is appreciated that texts are not necessarily self-explanatory but almost always need to be interpreted. It is further appreciated that a robust interpretation depends in part on the cross-referencing of many texts, which may not be feasible in one column, and in further part on contextual knowledge, which is quite feasible. But we need to go to text in any case. Let’s focus on part III of the Constitution “Summoning, prorogation and dissolution’’ and start with clause 67. (1): “Each session of Parliament shall be held at such place within Trinidad and Tobago and shall commence at such time as the President may by proclamation appoint.’’
We are currently with our tenth Parliament and, if memory serves me right, it was “appointed’’ on June 18, 2010. Let’s go next to 68. (2): “…Parliament, unless sooner dissolved, shall continue for five years from the date of its first sitting after any dissolution, and shall then stand dissolved.’’ The tenth Parliament started sitting on June 18, 2010 when it elected Wade Mark as Speaker. If we count five years from that date, we get June 17, 2015.
Is this why Dr Rowley seemed to be saying that the election should be held in June 2015?
Let’s go thirdly to 69 (1): “A general election of members of the House of Representatives shall be held at such time within three months after every dissolution of Parliament as the President, acting in accordance with the advice of the PM, shall appoint.’’
This clause is saying that within 90 days (if we allow 30 days per month) after June 17, the general election must be held. Ninety days takes us to Tuesday, September 15, 2015. Is this why the PM and the AG have been insisting that the election can be called in September?
(To be continued)
Which again leads me to wonder: If a run off supposed to be held within 15 days of the EBC confirming the result..which...even if elections held on 15th Sept.....wouldnt the run offs etc happen in October..meaning this year's budget would have expired..meaning the country would not have a budget in place?
The elections need to be held by May or June 2015 latest. Any later date is only for emergency purposes.
Post by: grimm01 on December 06, 2014, 09:21:21 AM
PM: $55m gift for Christian community
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/PM-55m-gift-for-Christian-community-284941251.html?m=y&smobile=y&clmob=y&c=n
Post by: Bakes on December 06, 2014, 10:55:50 AM
Post by: Jumbie on December 06, 2014, 03:10:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egl3h4wl9Po
Post by: asylumseeker on December 06, 2014, 06:54:19 PM
Post by: Sando prince on December 06, 2014, 07:00:57 PM
Election time is Trinidad. I should go back and start a church.
PM: $55m gift for Christian community
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/PM-55m-gift-for-Christian-community-284941251.html?m=y&smobile=y&clmob=y&c=n
Stupid way to bribe the Christian segment of the electorate. Who will hold the Pastors and Ministers accountable as to how they spend the money?
Post by: Sando prince on December 06, 2014, 08:04:36 PM
PNM screening committee signs off 17 candidates
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Pnm-screening-committee-signs-off-17-candidates-284990621.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Pnm-screening-committee-signs-off-17-candidates-284990621.html)
THE SCREENING committee of the People’s National Movement (PNM) signed off on 17 candidates on Friday with four incumbents and 13 new faces.
Heading the list of incumbents is the Leader of the Opposition, Dr Keith Rowley who retained the Diego Martin West constituency while the current MP for St Joseph, Terrence Deyalsingh received the nod from the committee to campaign for the marginal seat.
Diego Martin North East also went back to its current MP, Colm Imbert while Marlene Mc Donald got the right to campaign for the Port of Spain South seat.
Ashton Ford, the PNM’s general secretary also gave the names of the other approved candidates but took pains to mention that although the list is not yet completed those chosen are expected to quietly begin campaigning, “on the ground”.
He had no information with regard to former prime minister Patrick Manning who recently indicated his willingness to contest the San Fernando East seat.
The Sunday Express understands that Manning is currently in Cuba undergoing a medical check-up. Manning had also indicated via his Facebook page that given the results of his examination he will give his final decision to the party’s screening committee whether he will contest the seat or not.
Among the newer faces on the party’s campaign trail is Clarence Rambharat who was chosen to contest the Mayaro seat while Couva South will be contested by Alif Mohammed.
San Fernando West will be contested by Senator Faris Al-Rawi while former newspaper editor Maxie Cuffie will contest the La Horquetta/Talparo seat.
Facing the campaign trail for D’Abadie/O’Meara will be Brigadier Ancil Antoine while attorney Stuart Young will be contesting Port of Spain North/St Ann’s West and Neil Mohammed will be contesting the Pointe-a-Pierre seat.
Others include Terry Shaun Jadoonanan for Oropouche, Cherrie-Ann Crichlow-Cockburn for Lopinot/Bon Air West and Alisha Romano for St Augustine.
Former news anchor Dianne Baldeo-Chadeesingh was given the nod to contest the Chaguanas East seat while Chaguanas West will be contested by Abbegail Nandalal and Dr Nyan Gadsby-Dolly will fight to retain the St Ann’s East seat for the party.
Post by: Sando prince on December 06, 2014, 10:10:54 PM
Election time is Trinidad. I should go back and start a church.
PM: $55m gift for Christian community
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/PM-55m-gift-for-Christian-community-284941251.html?m=y&smobile=y&clmob=y&c=n
Christian Ministers are speaking out
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/-An-attempt-to-buy-out-the-Church-284941131.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/-An-attempt-to-buy-out-the-Church-284941131.html)
Post by: Jumbie on December 07, 2014, 07:28:05 AM
... ah see yuh geh a lil big up in ZING magazine! :cheers:
they did a 3 page feature (with cover) on me a while back and I now (for the past year & 1/2) have my own section. Ironically I'm working on a piece as I type this. Look for me on a major US network in the coming months.
Post by: asylumseeker on December 10, 2014, 12:00:40 AM
... ah see yuh geh a lil big up in ZING magazine! :cheers:
they did a 3 page feature (with cover) on me a while back and I now (for the past year & 1/2) have my own section. Ironically I'm working on a piece as I type this. Look for me on a major US network in the coming months.
Solid!
Post by: Sando prince on December 12, 2014, 11:05:20 PM
OPPOSITION REJECTS ATTEMPTS TO BRIBE JOURNALIST
http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-PNM-REJECTS-ATTEMPTS-TO-BRIBE-JOURNALIST-285692281.html (http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-PNM-REJECTS-ATTEMPTS-TO-BRIBE-JOURNALIST-285692281.html)
We reject it.
That's the position of the main Opposition party on what they are calling attempts to bribe journalists one day after the Prime Minister denied involvement in inducements handed to media personnel at her recent Christmas media appreciation reception.
This, as the PNM rejects all four of the nominees who sought to become the party's next candidate in a crucial marginal seat.
Post by: Brownsugar on December 13, 2014, 04:34:28 PM
Part 1..
When, the next general election?
By Winford James
In an article of September 26, Peter Taylor, a former minister in Patrick Manning’s last star-crossed administration, observed as follows:
“The last general election was held in Trinidad and Tobago on May 24, 2010 and therefore the Government’s five-year term of office ends on May 23, 2015. (…) The Government is therefore morally and constitutionally obliged to call the general election no later than May 23, 2015.”
And at the recent People’s National Movement (PNM) convention on November 16, Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley is reported to have stated that the life of the Parliament ends in June 2014 and a general election can only be held in the 90-day period following June 2015 if there is an emergency.
These two observations were reactions to the declaration by the PM and the AG that the general election can be officially called by September 2015.
So who is right? And more importantly, how can we know?
The Government holds that the 2015 general election can be held in September. The Opposition holds that it must be held in June. And Mr Taylor holds that it should not only be held in May but gives the latest date by which it must be: May 23! Indeed, Mr Taylor says he is preparing to take the matter to court for a determination! How can the understanding of these four people on this matter be so diverse?
Mrs Kamla Persad-Bissessar and Anand Ramlogan are both lawyers—Senior Counsel, if you please—and the former has been in Parliament for over a decade. Dr Rowley is not a lawyer (though his wife and his party’s public relation officer are!) but he has been in Parliament for over two decades. And Mr Taylor is a lawyer and also spent some time as a minister in Mr Manning’s ill-fated government. And yet they have all come up with different months!
What therefore should the man-in-the-street think? What should your columnist think?
Unfortunately, your columnist is not a lawyer, and he may not even qualify as the lowest form of lawyer —the bushie. But, fortunately, he has been dealing with texts and discourses all his life, and has taught text and discourse analysis (what is popularly called “comprehension’’) all of his working life. Using that experience, he has gone to the place where the authorising text lives—the Constitution. He allows that our four protagonists may have gone to the constitution before making their pronouncements, but he has no proof that they did. Indeed, if he were to go by Mr Taylor’s written article as an example, he finds no invocation of the relevant clause(s) and, consequently, no analysis of it/them. How, he wonders, can one argue for a specific election date without reference to an authorising text or, in its absence, an authorising convention?
Of course, it is appreciated that texts are not necessarily self-explanatory but almost always need to be interpreted. It is further appreciated that a robust interpretation depends in part on the cross-referencing of many texts, which may not be feasible in one column, and in further part on contextual knowledge, which is quite feasible. But we need to go to text in any case. Let’s focus on part III of the Constitution “Summoning, prorogation and dissolution’’ and start with clause 67. (1): “Each session of Parliament shall be held at such place within Trinidad and Tobago and shall commence at such time as the President may by proclamation appoint.’’
We are currently with our tenth Parliament and, if memory serves me right, it was “appointed’’ on June 18, 2010. Let’s go next to 68. (2): “…Parliament, unless sooner dissolved, shall continue for five years from the date of its first sitting after any dissolution, and shall then stand dissolved.’’ The tenth Parliament started sitting on June 18, 2010 when it elected Wade Mark as Speaker. If we count five years from that date, we get June 17, 2015.
Is this why Dr Rowley seemed to be saying that the election should be held in June 2015?
Let’s go thirdly to 69 (1): “A general election of members of the House of Representatives shall be held at such time within three months after every dissolution of Parliament as the President, acting in accordance with the advice of the PM, shall appoint.’’
This clause is saying that within 90 days (if we allow 30 days per month) after June 17, the general election must be held. Ninety days takes us to Tuesday, September 15, 2015. Is this why the PM and the AG have been insisting that the election can be called in September?
(To be continued)
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/commentaries/When-the-next-general-election-284697471.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/commentaries/When-the-next-general-election-284697471.html)
Post by: Brownsugar on December 13, 2014, 04:38:21 PM
When, the next general election?
By Winford James
The PM and the AG are insisting that the next general election can be held by September 2015. Peter Taylor holds that it must be held by May 23. And the Opposition Leader declares that it must be held in June. Who, if any of them, is right?
We must go to the Constitution for relevant text, which we then have to interpret. A parliament is the signature index of a government in place and, according to clause 67 (1), it “shall commence at such time as the President may by proclamation appoint’’. President Max Richards “appointed’’ June 18, 2010 as the commencement time of our current (10th) Parliament.
But this Parliament has a lifespan— at most five years. According to clause 68 (2), “…Parliament, unless sooner dissolved, shall continue for five years from the date of its first sitting after any dissolution, and shall then stand dissolved’’. The tenth Parliament began sitting on June 18 and, therefore, cannot sit beyond June 17, 2015 —five years later.
But after the dissolution of the tenth Parliament, what? Clause 69 (1) says: “A general election of members of the House of Representatives shall be held at such time within three months after every dissolution of Parliament as the President, acting in accordance with the advice of the Prime Minister, shall appoint’’. So, if we take three months to be 90 days, the election has to be held by September 15, 2015.
Based on our analysis so far, it appears that the PM and the AG are right and, logically, Dr Rowley and Mr Taylor wrong. But how can the latter gentlemen—both highly schooled and the first in particular richly experienced as a parliamentarian—be wrong? In positing May 23 as the latest possible election date, Taylor is suggesting that an election must be confined within a five-year period—no more. So that the new government began the day of the elections, that is, May 24, 2010 (not even the next day, May 25!) and must end by May 23 five years later. Which means that it does not matter when a parliament commences or terminates, and that a government is not guaranteed a full five years of parliamentary life. I have searched the Constitution in vain for this understanding and can only conclude that Taylor plucked it from thin air.
But what about Dr Rowley? He is reported to have said that the election can only be held in the 90-day period following June 2015—which month I read as the last for the tenth Parliament— if there is an emergency. Clause 68 (4) addresses the issue of an emergency:
“Where, between a dissolution of Parliament and the next ensuing general election of members to the House of Representatives, an emergency arises of such a nature that in the opinion of the Prime Minister it is necessary for the two Houses to be summoned before that general election can be held, the President, acting in accordance with the advice of the Prime Minister, may summon the two Houses of the preceding Parliament but the election of members of the House of Representatives shall proceed and the Parliament that has been summoned shall, if not sooner dissolved, again stand dissolved on the day on which the general election is held.’’
This is a frightfully complex sentence! It is 109 words long. And it has a 58-word co-ordinated main clause, three main clauses, eight subordinate or embedded clauses, and 12 prepositional phrases. How do we process it?
In simpler language, this brute of a sentence is saying that the president may reconvene Parliament in a PM-determined emergency between parliament’s dissolution and the next general election but that the election “shall proceed’’. As far as the election date is concerned, the text is silent but it does imply that a date has already been set at the dissolution of Parliament and certainly before its reconvention. If the date is already set and, further, if the election shall proceed, then it is reasonable to conclude that the reconvening of Parliament is for the purpose of managing the emergency.
But surely, the determination of an emergency after the dissolution of Parliament cannot affect the setting of an initial election date.
What therefore is the value of linking an emergency to the election date? Perhaps clause 69 (1) can help since it comes after clause 68 (4) and says the date must be “within three months after every dissolution of Parliament’’ (my emphasis).
So the three-month period contains the emergency but does not arise from it. If so, do you suppose Dr Rowley has his own thin air?
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/commentaries/When-the-next-general-election-285457101.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/commentaries/When-the-next-general-election-285457101.html)
Post by: Deeks on December 13, 2014, 10:48:26 PM
Post by: Sando prince on December 13, 2014, 11:44:50 PM
A new NACTA poll shows the PNM is on track to regain some of the seats it lost along the east west corridor in the 2010 general election
http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-New-NACTA-Poll-2917-285733081.html (http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-New-NACTA-Poll-2917-285733081.html)
Post by: Bourbon on December 14, 2014, 10:45:50 AM
A new NACTA poll shows the PNM is on track to regain some of the seats it lost along the east west corridor in the 2010 general election
http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-New-NACTA-Poll-2917-285733081.html (http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-New-NACTA-Poll-2917-285733081.html)
Nacta certainly is behind Solutions by Simulation in terms of methodology, and track record though.
Post by: Sando prince on December 14, 2014, 01:46:14 PM
A new NACTA poll shows the PNM is on track to regain some of the seats it lost along the east west corridor in the 2010 general election
http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-New-NACTA-Poll-2917-285733081.html (http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-New-NACTA-Poll-2917-285733081.html)
Nacta certainly is behind Solutions by Simulation in terms of methodology, and track record though.
I don't believe their polls are accurate but just posting different polling results to contribute to the thread.
I know the Opposition has to be ready for an avalanche of online propaganda from UNC/PP foot soldiers and individual opportunists who will try to mislead the public in the next couple months. Do you remember the ole talk about Manning having an outside wife last elections? And remember the 'Percy' fella from Canada.
Post by: Sando prince on December 17, 2014, 08:31:55 AM
The Prime Minister face is everywhere from mugs, vouchers, billboards, placards, Government television programmes, then who is paying for all of this?
This election season will see wasteful spending
Post by: weary1969 on December 17, 2014, 10:20:16 AM
The Prime Minister face is everywhere from mugs, vouchers, billboards, placards, Government television programmes, then who is paying for all of this?
This election season will see wasteful spending
The waste for the entire period of whatever they havin been doin since May 2010
Post by: Jumbie on December 17, 2014, 02:20:37 PM
The Prime Minister face is everywhere from mugs, vouchers, billboards, placards, Government television programmes, then who is paying for all of this?
This election season will see wasteful spending
confess.. yuh liking the freeness!
Post by: Sando prince on December 19, 2014, 07:38:07 PM
ILP PICKS GEETA MAHARAJ FOR FYZABAD
Story Created: Dec 18, 2014 at 8:52 PM ECT
Story Updated: Dec 18, 2014 at 8:52 PM ECT
New trouble for Chandresh Sharma, the minister forced to resign in scandal.
http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-ILP-PICKS-GEETA-MAHARAJ-FOR-FYZABAD-286299531.html (http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-ILP-PICKS-GEETA-MAHARAJ-FOR-FYZABAD-286299531.html)
Post by: Socapro on December 19, 2014, 08:12:58 PM
Nuh sure if ILP will win one seat but dey have been busy selecting candidates :)
ILP PICKS GEETA MAHARAJ FOR FYZABAD
Story Created: Dec 18, 2014 at 8:52 PM ECT
Story Updated: Dec 18, 2014 at 8:52 PM ECT
New trouble for Chandresh Sharma, the minister forced to resign in scandal.
http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-ILP-PICKS-GEETA-MAHARAJ-FOR-FYZABAD-286299531.html (http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-ILP-PICKS-GEETA-MAHARAJ-FOR-FYZABAD-286299531.html)
I reckon the ILP can take a couple seats off the PP unless the vast majority of PP supporters are racists and love corruption.
Post by: Sando prince on December 20, 2014, 12:11:03 PM
The Prime Minister face is everywhere from mugs, vouchers, billboards, placards, Government television programmes, then who is paying for all of this?
This election season will see wasteful spending
(https://scontent-2.2914.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10615350_878312872213703_7537001036289112976_n.jpg?oh=15e683343e6946a58a7dc833bf4d73b7&oe=5502E1C6)
Post by: Sando prince on December 20, 2014, 01:42:08 PM
Nuh sure if ILP will win one seat but dey have been busy selecting candidates :)
ILP PICKS GEETA MAHARAJ FOR FYZABAD
Story Created: Dec 18, 2014 at 8:52 PM ECT
Story Updated: Dec 18, 2014 at 8:52 PM ECT
New trouble for Chandresh Sharma, the minister forced to resign in scandal.
http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-ILP-PICKS-GEETA-MAHARAJ-FOR-FYZABAD-286299531.html (http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-ILP-PICKS-GEETA-MAHARAJ-FOR-FYZABAD-286299531.html)
I reckon the ILP can take a couple seats off the PP unless the vast majority of PP supporters are racists and love corruption.
ILP does not have enough support in Trinidad to win any seats including the only seat they have in Parliament right now.
Post by: asylumseeker on December 20, 2014, 02:00:04 PM
Nuh sure if ILP will win one seat but dey have been busy selecting candidates :)
ILP PICKS GEETA MAHARAJ FOR FYZABAD
Story Created: Dec 18, 2014 at 8:52 PM ECT
Story Updated: Dec 18, 2014 at 8:52 PM ECT
New trouble for Chandresh Sharma, the minister forced to resign in scandal.
http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-ILP-PICKS-GEETA-MAHARAJ-FOR-FYZABAD-286299531.html (http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-ILP-PICKS-GEETA-MAHARAJ-FOR-FYZABAD-286299531.html)
I reckon the ILP can take a couple seats off the PP unless the vast majority of PP supporters are racists and love corruption.
ILP does not have enough support in Trinidad to win any seats including the only seat they have in Parliament right now.
Like yuh eh make out what 'Pro was doing? Yuh shouldn't have responded seriously.
Post by: Socapro on December 20, 2014, 07:12:23 PM
Nuh sure if ILP will win one seat but dey have been busy selecting candidates :)
ILP PICKS GEETA MAHARAJ FOR FYZABAD
Story Created: Dec 18, 2014 at 8:52 PM ECT
Story Updated: Dec 18, 2014 at 8:52 PM ECT
New trouble for Chandresh Sharma, the minister forced to resign in scandal.
http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-ILP-PICKS-GEETA-MAHARAJ-FOR-FYZABAD-286299531.html (http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-ILP-PICKS-GEETA-MAHARAJ-FOR-FYZABAD-286299531.html)
I reckon the ILP can take a couple seats off the PP unless the vast majority of PP supporters are racists and love corruption.
ILP does not have enough support in Trinidad to win any seats including the only seat they have in Parliament right now.
Like yuh eh make out what 'Pro was doing? Yuh shouldn't have responded seriously.
And please tell me what I am doing Asylumseeker, as you seem to know more about my motives for giving my honest opinion on a political issue than I do.
PS: It is weird that I was unable to reply to this thread earlier but now I suddenly can after sending a complaint to the Mods.
Post by: asylumseeker on December 20, 2014, 08:12:19 PM
Nuh sure if ILP will win one seat but dey have been busy selecting candidates :)
ILP PICKS GEETA MAHARAJ FOR FYZABAD
Story Created: Dec 18, 2014 at 8:52 PM ECT
Story Updated: Dec 18, 2014 at 8:52 PM ECT
New trouble for Chandresh Sharma, the minister forced to resign in scandal.
http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-ILP-PICKS-GEETA-MAHARAJ-FOR-FYZABAD-286299531.html (http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-ILP-PICKS-GEETA-MAHARAJ-FOR-FYZABAD-286299531.html)
I reckon the ILP can take a couple seats off the PP unless the vast majority of PP supporters are racists and love corruption.
ILP does not have enough support in Trinidad to win any seats including the only seat they have in Parliament right now.
Like yuh eh make out what 'Pro was doing? Yuh shouldn't have responded seriously.
And please tell me what I am doing Asylumseeker, as you seem to know more about my motives for giving my honest opinion on a political issue than I do.
PS: It is weird that I was unable to reply to this thread earlier but now I suddenly can after sending a complaint to the Mods.
I eh see no reference to Kim Jong-un or Sony ... so maybe it was Narendra Modi, divine intervention or ... merely the restraining hand of a timely technical glitch. We've had a few around the forum recently ...
I understand yuh politics Pro, and I appreciate dahis yuh honest political opinion. Buh lehwe not pretend the comment wasn't provocative. As such, in my honest opinion, it should not have been dignified with a serious response.
Post by: Sando prince on December 20, 2014, 10:23:30 PM
Rowley: No issue with Marlene
Allegations of misconduct of PNM deputy
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Rowley-No-issue-with-Marlene-286476251.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Rowley-No-issue-with-Marlene-286476251.html)
By By Michelle Loubon
Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley says allegations raised against People’s National Movement (PNM) deputy political leader Marlene McDonald are “not an issue with us”.
He said yesterday the PNM did not have room for “individual agendas”, with regard to the screening process for the San Fernando East constituency.
Rowley made the comments during the PNM’s annual luncheon for senior citizens and hamper distribution ceremony, at Balisier House, Port of Spain.
Welfare officers from the 41 constituencies collected hampers and toys, which will be distributed to needy people and children from tomorrow. They were each given a complimentary fruitcake.
Attorney General Anand Ramlogan has said he is scrutinising a 2011 Lake Asphalt (LATT) audit report containing allegations of
corruption, which mentions McDonald and other PNM officials,
to determine if there are any grounds to lay a charge of misconduct in public office. The audit report concerned a review of contracts and conflicts of interest in that company.
Asked to give an update on McDonald, Dr Rowley said: “We have a screening process. That process allows the party to examine all people who come forward. We have done so with McDonald.
“Allegations have been made by her detractors. We have no reason to rethink (our position) based on what we know. It is not an issue with us. There is a lot of energy elsewhere. We will not be distracted by that.”
(• See Page 8 interview)
Asked about the screening process for San Fernando East, Dr Rowley said: “The PNM has a constitution and we follow the processes laid down. The constitution does not make provision for individual agendas, so when we informed San Fernando East it was their turn to nominate, they had issues which we don’t have.”
Rowley added: “The PNM had
also made it absolutely clear that San Fernando East nominees who
submit their papers after the December 22 deadline will not be screened.”
This rules out participation by San Fernando East MP Patrick Manning, who will undergo his health assessment between December 23 and 31.
Asked about screening there, Rowley added: “They asked for an extension and we granted that extension, and a second extension. And we told them in order for the party processes to move forward, December 22 is the date by which they would nominate whoever they wish.
“What has happened, the constituency executive has not co-operated with the advice they have been getting. We gave them seven days’ notice.”
Christmas wish for T&T
Asked about his Christmas
wish for Trinidad and Tobago, Rowley said: “We ask for peace and prosperity, and our ability to overcome our challenges.
I wish the nation a Merry
Christmas. Let it be safe and happy. I wish everyone a
prosperous new year, even as we face challenges. I think our potential is good, once we
behave properly.”
Post by: Socapro on December 20, 2014, 10:25:45 PM
Nuh sure if ILP will win one seat but dey have been busy selecting candidates :)
ILP PICKS GEETA MAHARAJ FOR FYZABAD
Story Created: Dec 18, 2014 at 8:52 PM ECT
Story Updated: Dec 18, 2014 at 8:52 PM ECT
New trouble for Chandresh Sharma, the minister forced to resign in scandal.
http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-ILP-PICKS-GEETA-MAHARAJ-FOR-FYZABAD-286299531.html (http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-ILP-PICKS-GEETA-MAHARAJ-FOR-FYZABAD-286299531.html)
I reckon the ILP can take a couple seats off the PP unless the vast majority of PP supporters are racists and love corruption.
ILP does not have enough support in Trinidad to win any seats including the only seat they have in Parliament right now.
Like yuh eh make out what 'Pro was doing? Yuh shouldn't have responded seriously.
And please tell me what I am doing Asylumseeker, as you seem to know more about my motives for giving my honest opinion on a political issue than I do.
PS: It is weird that I was unable to reply to this thread earlier but now I suddenly can after sending a complaint to the Mods.
I eh see no reference to Kim Jong-un or Sony ... so maybe it was Narendra Modi, divine intervention or ... merely the restraining hand of a timely technical glitch. We've had a few around the forum recently ...
I understand yuh politics Pro, and I appreciate dahis yuh honest political opinion. Buh lehwe not pretend the comment wasn't provocative. As such, in my honest opinion, it should not have been dignified with a serious response.
Fella nothing is wrong with someone replying to someone else's honest opinion especially when it is clear that the person is making a speculation which means that it may or may not turn out to be true in the future.
Notice that I said "I reckon" as I am fully aware that I making an honest speculation in giving my opinion on the issue.
I will expand so you will see why my speculation is logical:
Jack Warner is/was reputed to be the hardest working government MP who does/did a lot to help his constituents and he won his seat by the biggest majority of all the MPs in the last elections. So with that in mind and considering that Jack has diligently continued his work as the MP for Chaguanas West there is no logical reason why he shouldn't be able to win his seat for the ILP unless his race and him no longer being a part of the UNC becomes more of a factor than performance and bringing about benefits for his constituents.
So based on Sando's argument that the ILP does not have enough support in T&T to win any seats including the only seat they have in Parliament right now courtesy of Jack Warner, if that proves to be true then it also confirms that my speculation as to the reasons why will also hold water as Jack has proven himself many times over to be one of the hardest working MPs and his constituents should appreciate his work and the service and benefits he has brought to them by now. If not then something is honestly wrong with their thinking and most of them are supporting their party based on race of the leader rather than on performance.
Post by: Bakes on December 20, 2014, 11:07:15 PM
Post by: Sando prince on December 20, 2014, 11:10:18 PM
^^^particularly true when one considers that the PP doesn't really have a strong candidate in that constituency to challeng Jack. The last one they recruit, who was allegedly "on fire," couldn't tell if she was coming or going before she get lambaste.
But I doubt Jack will be the one who is running for that Chag West seat next election. He is no longer political leader of the ILP and it seems he is on his way out of active politics and more behind the scene type of politician. Time will tell
Post by: Bakes on December 20, 2014, 11:19:16 PM
But I doubt Jack will be the one who is running for that Chag West seat next election. He is no longer political leader of the ILP and it seems he is on his way out of active politics and more behind the scene type of politician. Time will tell
Jack love the limelight and vestiges of power too much... Chairman/Editor/Publisher (whatever) of Sunshine Newspaper just eh go cut it.
Post by: Socapro on December 21, 2014, 12:23:21 AM
^^^particularly true when one considers that the PP doesn't really have a strong candidate in that constituency to challeng Jack. The last one they recruit, who was allegedly "on fire," couldn't tell if she was coming or going before she get lambaste.
But I doubt Jack will be the one who is running for that Chag West seat next election. He is no longer political leader of the ILP and it seems he is on his way out of active politics and more behind the scene type of politician. Time will tell
You are really falling behind Sando, see news article below.
Jack has been ILP leader again since early November and as Bakes said he enjoys the limelight too much to stay in the background for too long.
Trinidad’s ILP Leader Resigns (http://pridenews.ca/2014/11/06/trinidads-ilp-leader-resigns/)
International News, November 6, 2014 (PrideNews.ca)
PORT OF SPAIN, Trinidad, CMC – Austin Jack Warner was returned as political leader of the minority opposition Independent Liberal Party (ILP) after Lyndira Oudit, who was elected unopposed in June, quit on Sunday.
Oudit, who had quit her position as deputy speaker of the Senate to join the ILP, said she believed Warner, a former national security minister here, was best suited to lead the minority party into the 2015 general election.
“I believe Jack Warner is the political leader or the person best suited to lead the party, that’s as simple as it gets,” she said, adding “I am a very processed person and solution driven…”
In her note announcing her resignation on Sunday night, Oudit, who says she remains a member of the ILP, noted that her resignation was with immediate effect.
Warner had served as ILP chairman, and Oudit said that she had “cordial discussions about this and other matters” before announcing her resignation.
“I have simply stepped down as political leader and, as of now, I have indicated to Mr. Warner and to the executive, that if they need any assistance, if there is any way I can assist, by all means I am no stranger and I will make myself available,” she added.
Warner told reporters that he respects the decision of Oudit and that he is happy she remains a member of the party.
“It shows the institutions of the party are working, it shows that, unlike other political parties, we are not afraid of electing people to office, and most importantly, it has set in training for us for the general election in 2015…”
Warner has said the ILP will be a major force as a third party in the next general elections due in 2015 and that next weekend the party will decide on the seats it intends to contest in the election.
Post by: asylumseeker on December 21, 2014, 04:48:21 AM
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If not then something is honestly wrong with their thinking and most of them are supporting their party based on race of the leader rather than on performance.
... or maybe just plain, ole supporting their party?
Post by: Bourbon on December 21, 2014, 06:52:01 AM
Permutations possible: Run off...PNM eliminated in Round 1.....ILP vs UNC. Jack fights for his life knowing that one seat may very well be a deal maker.
Or UNC wins it outright....
Jack winning outright was when the ILP was the flavor of the month. I not sure how attractive it is now...especially with a lot of resignations...defections and persons who've done so have been claiming the ILP trying to put the PNM back in power...not sure if that a ploy as part of the defection or a reality.
Post by: Sando prince on December 21, 2014, 07:07:56 AM
The Bye election had less at stake...and the core supporters....as Kamla put it..."one of us"...(during the bye election campaign) might not make that decision so easily.
Permutations possible: Run off...PNM eliminated in Round 1.....ILP vs UNC. Jack fights for his life knowing that one seat may very well be a deal maker.
Or UNC wins it outright....
Jack winning outright was when the ILP was the flavor of the month. I not sure how attractive it is now...especially with a lot of resignations...defections and persons who've done so have been claiming the ILP trying to put the PNM back in power...not sure if that a ploy as part of the defection or a reality.
Ding Ding Ding! Exactly what I am saying
Post by: Socapro on December 21, 2014, 11:24:28 AM
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If not then something is honestly wrong with their thinking and most of them are supporting their party based on race of the leader rather than on performance.
... or maybe just plain, ole supporting their party?
Then that is basically putting support of a particular party before the better interest of your constituency and your country.
If voters really care about the best for their constituency they will always put supporting a top proven candidate who cares and will make things better for them above blind loyality for any particular political party.
The kind of thinking that you just suggested is the main reason why T&T is in the backward state it is now in despite all our resources that is being wasted by our corrupt and non-performing politicians.
Post by: asylumseeker on December 21, 2014, 02:42:29 PM
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If not then something is honestly wrong with their thinking and most of them are supporting their party based on race of the leader rather than on performance.
... or maybe just plain, ole supporting their party?
Then that is basically putting support of a particular party before the better interest of your constituency and your country.
If voters really care about the best for their constituency they will always put supporting a top proven candidate who cares and will make things better for them above blind loyality for any particular political party.
The kind of thinking that you just suggested is the main reason why T&T is in the backward state it is now in despite all our resources that is being wasted by our corrupt and non-performing politicians.
The underlying point is that making partisan decisions occurs on all political fronts.
As long as you persist in engaging in the selective analysis of race (and corruption) in your commentary, expect continued scrutiny.
In closing, are you now genuinely on record as viewing Mr. Warner as a beacon of parliamentary representation and someone to whom you would entrust the reigns of governance and office? Or does the relevance of his candidacy merely fit conveniently into your view of the dynamics of race? To spare you blushes, we can omit the dynamics of corruption.
Post by: Socapro on December 21, 2014, 02:51:46 PM
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If not then something is honestly wrong with their thinking and most of them are supporting their party based on race of the leader rather than on performance.
... or maybe just plain, ole supporting their party?
Then that is basically putting support of a particular party before the better interest of your constituency and your country.
If voters really care about the best for their constituency they will always put supporting a top proven candidate who cares and will make things better for them above blind loyality for any particular political party.
The kind of thinking that you just suggested is the main reason why T&T is in the backward state it is now in despite all our resources that is being wasted by our corrupt and non-performing politicians.
The underlying point is that making partisan decisions occurs on all political fronts.
As long as you persist in engaging in the selective analysis of race (and corruption) in your commentary, expect continued scrutiny.
In closing, are you now genuinely on record as viewing Mr. Warner as a beacon of parliamentary representation and someone to whom you would entrust the reigns of governance and office? Or does the relevance of his candidacy merely fit conveniently into your view of the dynamics of race? To spare you blushes, we can omit the dynamics of corruption.
It is not down to me my friend, it’s the view of people on the ground in Warner's constituency who regularly testify about what great work he has done and continueb to do to better their lives as their MP.
I live in London and not in Chaguanas West so I am not in a position to dispute JW's constituents views as generally being untrue.
With that in mind and with the fact that Warner won his constituency by the largest margin of any MP in parliament right now, if he is unable to win his constituency again for his party the ILP in 2015 then that will say a lot about the backward racial mentality of the majority of voters in that constituency where race and party might pre-historically come ahead of performance and common sense.
PS:
In summary the results of the next general elections will prove just how backward people in T&T really are or if alternatively the people in general are politically evolving and putting what is good for their constituency and the country ahead of blind loyalty for any particular political party simply because of your race matches the race of the party leader and those who started the party.
Post by: asylumseeker on December 21, 2014, 03:31:37 PM
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If not then something is honestly wrong with their thinking and most of them are supporting their party based on race of the leader rather than on performance.
... or maybe just plain, ole supporting their party?
Then that is basically putting support of a particular party before the better interest of your constituency and your country.
If voters really care about the best for their constituency they will always put supporting a top proven candidate who cares and will make things better for them above blind loyality for any particular political party.
The kind of thinking that you just suggested is the main reason why T&T is in the backward state it is now in despite all our resources that is being wasted by our corrupt and non-performing politicians.
The underlying point is that making partisan decisions occurs on all political fronts.
As long as you persist in engaging in the selective analysis of race (and corruption) in your commentary, expect continued scrutiny.
In closing, are you now genuinely on record as viewing Mr. Warner as a beacon of parliamentary representation and someone to whom you would entrust the reigns of governance and office? Or does the relevance of his candidacy merely fit conveniently into your view of the dynamics of race? To spare you blushes, we can omit the dynamics of corruption.
It is not down to me my friend, it’s the view of people on the ground in Warner's constituency who regularly testify about what great work he has done and continueb to do to better their lives as their MP.
I live in London and not in Chaguanas West so I am not in a position to dispute JW's constituents views as generally being untrue.
With that in mind and with the fact that Warner won his constituency by the largest margin of any MP in parliament right now, if he is unable to win his constituency again for his party the ILP in 2015 then that will say a lot about the backward racial mentality of the majority of voters in that constituency where race and party might pre-historically come ahead of performance and common sense.
PS:
In summary the results of the next general elections will prove just how backward people in T&T really are or if alternatively the people in general are politically evolving and putting what is good for their constituency and the country before blind loyalty to a particular political party.
In your view, should Mr. Warner play a role in the political life of the nation?
Post by: Socapro on December 21, 2014, 03:36:13 PM
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If not then something is honestly wrong with their thinking and most of them are supporting their party based on race of the leader rather than on performance.
... or maybe just plain, ole supporting their party?
Then that is basically putting support of a particular party before the better interest of your constituency and your country.
If voters really care about the best for their constituency they will always put supporting a top proven candidate who cares and will make things better for them above blind loyality for any particular political party.
The kind of thinking that you just suggested is the main reason why T&T is in the backward state it is now in despite all our resources that is being wasted by our corrupt and non-performing politicians.
The underlying point is that making partisan decisions occurs on all political fronts.
As long as you persist in engaging in the selective analysis of race (and corruption) in your commentary, expect continued scrutiny.
In closing, are you now genuinely on record as viewing Mr. Warner as a beacon of parliamentary representation and someone to whom you would entrust the reigns of governance and office? Or does the relevance of his candidacy merely fit conveniently into your view of the dynamics of race? To spare you blushes, we can omit the dynamics of corruption.
It is not down to me my friend, it’s the view of people on the ground in Warner's constituency who regularly testify about what great work he has done and continueb to do to better their lives as their MP.
I live in London and not in Chaguanas West so I am not in a position to dispute JW's constituents views as generally being untrue.
With that in mind and with the fact that Warner won his constituency by the largest margin of any MP in parliament right now, if he is unable to win his constituency again for his party the ILP in 2015 then that will say a lot about the backward racial mentality of the majority of voters in that constituency where race and party might pre-historically come ahead of performance and common sense.
PS:
In summary the results of the next general elections will prove just how backward people in T&T really are or if alternatively the people in general are politically evolving and putting what is good for their constituency and the country before blind loyalty to a particular political party.
In your view, should Mr. Warner play a role in the political life of the nation?
If Jack wants to make his country of birth a better place for all and and has something positive to contribute and has already proven to his constituents that he can deliver value for money and make their lives better then why not?
Your and my view of Jack is irrelevant if he can do all those things.
Personally I would also like to see Jack Warner officially pay the TTFA the bonus money owing to the 2006 Warriors even though the PP government made a direct payment to the players which they had no authority to do to settle the money owing. But then again they say that part of the players bonus money funded the 2010 election campagin of the PPG so maybe they felt that it was time to directly pay the players back?
If the PPG had paid the money to the TTFA instead then the matter might now be legally settled and I would no longer have any bone to pick with Jack as the TTFA needs that money to settle with the players legally and clear their debts.
Post by: Sando prince on December 21, 2014, 10:54:14 PM
This writer nuh easy :)
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http://www.trinidadexpress.com/commentaries/The-PMs-Source-of-Funds-Problem-286474361.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/commentaries/The-PMs-Source-of-Funds-Problem-286474361.html)
In accounting terms, this multi-million dollar extravaganza is an off balance-sheet transaction by the Prime Minister that is not available for the scrutiny of either Parliament or the public.
Predictably, as the questions have surfaced, the PM’s story has evolved.
It used to be that the gifts and hampers were privately-financed donations to the Prime Minister’s Christmas gift-giving.
Now, under media questioning, it is spinning towards becoming an initiative of a committee of private individuals, headed by a business leader, with the Prime Minister cast in the role of disingenuous distributor.
Given the Government’s innovative capacity for deal-making, it could be both and neither at the same time and yet not change the simple fact that as long as the gift-giving is conducted in her capacity as Prime Minister, she becomes accountable to the people and must provide the relevant answers.
Post by: Sando prince on December 23, 2014, 08:02:23 PM
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The Prime Minister face is everywhere from mugs, vouchers, billboards, placards, Government television programmes, then who is paying for all of this?
This election season will see wasteful spending
Bas slams Kamla billboards
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Bas-slams-Kamla-billboards-286734901.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Bas-slams-Kamla-billboards-286734901.html)
By Carolyn Kissoon
Former prime minister Basdeo Panday yesterday questioned why Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar’s photographs were being posted on billboards across the country.
(http://media.trinidadexpress.com/images/320*213/nw4340.jpg)
This followed People’s National Movement (PNM) Senator Faris Al-Rawi’s statement that the proliferation of Persad-Bissessar’s face on so many things—mugs, vouchers, billboards, placards, Government television programmes—bore similarities to Saddam Hussein’s term of office in Iraq.
Panday said, “I must say that is the only Prime Minister that ever did that. And one wonders why? Is it an inferiority complex, is it that they know they are not performing as the people expected?”
He questioned whether the billboards were substitutes for the Government’s non-performance.
“There has to be a reason why people do things, you know,” he said.
Billboards bearing Persad-Bissessar’s image wishing T&T a Merry Christmas and a bright and prosperous New Year are being erected late at night along highway shoulders, and have been seen along the Solomon Hochoy and Uriah Butler highways.
Panday also called on the People’s Partnership Government to reveal the source of income in the Prime Minister’s Christmas toy drive.
“I believe they promised open Government and we expected open Government and open Government means being open. And being open means telling us where you got money to do things. Yes, I think they should reveal the source of the income...how do we know that it is not drugs money?” he said.
Panday said the Prime Minister was mandated to inform the public on the source of income for the toy drive and “it is not enough to say it is not Government’s money”.
Throughout the toy drive, Persad-Bissessar has maintained that taxpayers money was not being used to purchase toys for thousands of children. She said the toy drive was sponsored by corporate citizens but did not name them.
Post by: Deeks on December 23, 2014, 08:18:24 PM
Post by: Sando prince on December 23, 2014, 08:45:24 PM
Panday also called on the People’s Partnership Government to reveal the source of income in the Prime Minister’s Christmas toy drive.
“I believe they promised open Government and we expected open Government and open Government means being open. And being open means telling us where you got money to do things. Yes, I think they should reveal the source of the income...how do we know that it is not drugs money?” he said.
Panday said the Prime Minister was mandated to inform the public on the source of income for the toy drive and “it is not enough to say it is not Government’s money”.
Ah boy Bas leh we see if the Prime Minister cares
Post by: Socapro on December 24, 2014, 01:03:44 AM
It is not illegal though!
This is not transparent government and breaks yet another PPG election campaign promise that helped them win the 2010 general elections.
As Panday said, how do we know that the toys were not purchased with drug money or by someone/company who will be looking for future government favours/contracts as payback?
Also why is Kamla trying to replace Jesus as the focus for Christmas? She seems to be trying to emulate Sadam and other similar dictators. Very distasteful as well as being a big waste of taxpayers’ money.
Post by: AB.Trini on December 25, 2014, 08:15:10 AM
NAUGHTY KAMLA
ELECTIONS COMING: Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar
NO billboards can be erected on State land without the permission of the Works and Infrastructure Ministry. And its acting Director of Highways Colin Nakhid said yesterday that he gave no permission for the highway billboards bearing the image of Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar to be placed along the highways. Nakhid said only traffic safety signs were allowed alongside roads, and billboards could only be placed on private property without the State getting involved. He was responding to questions about the decision by Government to erect highway billboards bearing the face of Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar wishing citizens a Merry Christmas and a bright and prosperous New Year. The billboards have been a topic of discussion by citizens, some in support of the gesture, and others who consider it a waste of taxpayers’ money. The billboards are costing taxpayers at least $60,000, but according to Communications Minister Vasant Bharath, it was not a significant dent in the national treasury. Nakhid said he was unaware if permission was given for the billboards to be placed in the strategic spots along the Solomon Hochoy and Uriah Butler highways since he had seen no official request. Nakhid told the Express: “No structures at all except traffic safety structures are allowed, first of all, on any highway. All billboards require the permission of the Director of Highways especially if they are on State property. Usually no permission is given unless they are traffic safety signs to be erected on the State property which is called the right of way. If it is private property, of course you can put up your signs because private property will be outside of the right of way.” Another Ministry official, who asked not to be named, said at least three similar billboards, one in Trincity, El Socorro and near to Caroni were observed, but the official could not confirm if they were built on the State’s reserve. The Express observed three billboards near the Golconda interchange in San Fernando and one in Couva near the Children’s Hospital under construction. The official said: “We do not allow any structure to be erected on the highway’s reserve for futuristic purposes and also for safety reasons. Any structure that goes on will need to have the approval of the Director of Highways. If someone hits them and gets injured, the people who are liable is the Ministry of Works because it is our reserve. If it is an illegal structure, we have the responsibility to remove them.” The ministry usually does routine checks to ensure the highway reserve that could span a distance of five metres and more is free of any illegal structure, the official said. “It is not that we target any one person or anything. Through our routine maintenance, we will go out and look and see if there is anything in the road reserve illegally and then we take the necessary measures,” the official said. “They (district engineers) do usual surveying of the highway, so when people are advertising for parties and stuff like that, we normally take them down because those are illegal structures. It is the same concept,” the official said. On Tuesday, former prime minister Basdeo Panday, questioned why Persad-Bissessar’s photographs were posted on the billboards. He said: “I must say that is the only Prime Minister that ever did that. And one wonders why?”
Post by: dtool on December 28, 2014, 09:04:07 PM
Planning ahead
Where elections present fears of vote tampering,,,,,,,,
Should we have international monitors (eg UN) for this coming election? .... I think so. Any views?????
Post by: weary1969 on December 28, 2014, 10:50:55 PM
Planning ahead
Where elections present fears of vote tampering,,,,,,,,
Should we have international monitors (eg UN) for this coming election? .... I think so. Any views?????
Yep rumors bout missing machine that print ballots. In TNT where there is smoke there is fire.
Post by: Socapro on December 29, 2014, 04:58:10 PM
Published: Sunday, December 28, 2014 (T&T Guardian)
In spite of the several missteps and other negative aspects of the People’s Partnership Government for the four years so far, Housing and Urban Development Minister Dr Roodal Moonilal is confident the party will be returned for a second term. Moonilal, who indicated they were very heartened by the views of the people and the national community on the matter, said the party plans to initiate a very strong campaign for the 2015 general election soon.
He was critical of what he termed the intellectual dishonesty of the Opposition People’s National Movement, and claimed that the PNM was bent on destabilising the Government from day one. On allegations that some people were falsely collecting money on the pretext of representing the Housing Development Corporation, he stressed he had zero tolerance for anyone carrying out such illegal activities.
Q: Dr Moonilal, this People’s Partnership administration has been experiencing a rather rough ride for most of its four years in office. Why has the Opposition PNM been allowed to take the head start in the 2015 general election stakes?
A: (In a relaxed mode at his Debe, south Trinidad, constituency office on Tuesday afternoon) The PP political directorate has been extremely busy with the management of the Government and the affairs of the country and from day one, the PNM has politicised several national issues, they are campaigning and that is all they have to do.
Soon, of course, we will initiate a very strong campaign and we are very heartened by the views of the people and the national community that we could be returned for a second term.
This rough ride, was it a question of the newness of most of the Government?
I think the PNM decided from the moment we entered office to destabilise the administration and...
No! No! Dr Moonilal, isn’t that taking it a bit too far...destabilising…and isn’t the Opposition part of our democratic process?
(Rocking back in his hair with a serious countenance) The PNM has behaved as the PNM can. You know it is in their DNA to destabilise any other government in office with their policy of non-cooperation, of obstruction in some cases, which have led to discontent over several policies and law making in Parliament. One example of this is the procurement legislation where they voted for it in the Senate but did not support it in the Lower House.
Would these missteps by members of the Government overshadow the PP’s achievements during the critical period in 2015?
Clevon, I want to say there is a certain amount of intellectual dishonesty on the part of the PNM leadership and the expression of that dishonesty is in the level of their hypocrisy. All governments, regardless of administration, would make mistakes, errors in judgment.
The issues is what do you do when you believe something is not right, and we must be measured as well with what we have done when we believe things were not right. Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar exerted strong leadership when she believed something was not right.
What about the allegation that the Prime Minister is not in charge of her Cabinet?
(A cynical laugh) That is so far from the truth as the record would show where she took firm and decisive action when the occasion warranted such. As Leader of the House in the House of Representatives, I can tell you that no decisions were taken without the authority of the Prime Minister.
So that her level of toughness is something that all Cabinet members could speak to. She would not tolerate slackness and is extremely adamant on the objective for ministers to work harder to deliver on the critical needs of the people.
Some people openly wonder how she is able to resolutely perform her functions in spite of her health challenges?
Her health concerns are well known. She has never made a secret of that matter but that is part of her openness and level of transparency in dealing with the public. Later in life, I may consider when I do my book writing a few pages well on the experience of working with a female boss.
Is she your first woman boss?
Well, Clevon, that’s my second. I have been married 11 years now (loud laughter).
Mrs Persad-Bissessar’s latest dictum to her Cabinet spoke of ministers avoiding arrogance and the use of flashing blue lights. Was she on solid ground when she made that admonishment?
Well, the Prime Minister’s injunction from day one was to serve the people and in so doing, a minister or any other public official cannot do so if you have an arrogance about yourself and your office.
The fact that she was moved to renew that injunction as you have indicated, does it mean you all were not taking cognisance of that early caution?
I don’t think it is a case of officials in totality. I think it was a timely reminder of the humility that one needs to conduct their affairs in the right and proper manner. In this Government, several ministers over the past four years did conduct themselves in a manner that was unbecoming. There was a time in this country when a certain minister rode elevators by himself and the public had to be thrown out for the minister’s sole use.
Dr Moonilal, if we should look at your performance as the minister with responsibility for housing, how come we are still hearing the accusation from the Opposition that this regime has not built a single house over the last four-and-a-half years?
Clevon, this is another deliberate fallacy being peddled by the PNM and that is the height of dishonesty that I spoke about earlier. We have built about 7,000 new housing units since we came into office (He rattled off these housing estates which are located in several areas throughout the country). We have built but what we also had to do was spend almost $100 million on repairing the bad work done on some of these projects built by the PNM in its last term in office.
We are giving out 1,000 units during this Christmas period and part of that are those estates that we have had to finish. Clevon, it is no secret that Las Alturas, in Morvant, is the most dramatic example of the PNM’s really “collapso” housing policy.
What are your getting at?
Listen, there is a housing project in Central for example which they built over a gas line, which is under the housing estate, and this means we now have to redo that estate, change the direction of roads and so remove some of the units.
There are other projects which were built in a shoddy manner which cannot be distributed at this time and some of them are in the court for adjudication. And, Clevon, a related problem with this so-called housing policy of the PNM is the crime that the PNM created in this sector where they created ghettoes...
Dr Moonilal, I would like if you could please go no further attacking the PNM with these wild accusations…
(Interrupting in an angry tone)
Clevon, I told you before that the PNM is intellectually bankrupt and dishonest, and you are not allowing me the opportunity to speak to that!
Today the PNM is a prisoner of a small clique in Port-of-Spain that has taken control of Rowley, and he is being fully supported by one or two influential people who have taken control of the PNM and they are determining the policies of the party.
Mr Minister, let us not go there, this is something for the campaign trail. Can I ask you one final question? (Moonilal cooling down). Why should anyone vote for the PP this time around?
Briefly, Clevon, our record is second to none in providing good governance of which you don’t have the space to mention one tenth of our achievements under the astute leadership of Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar, and for which we will be returned for a second term.
Last and final (laughs)...why should we not vote the PP?
Why should someone not vote PP? I could think of no good reason but, of course, our detractors mesmerised by our achievements, and the mischief makers led by an intellectually dishonest PNM leadership will seek to portray mistakes and the biggest one that was unmasked was the e-mail disgrace concocted by the PNM.
Post by: Sando prince on January 09, 2015, 05:36:22 PM
Dooks and Carolyn will not be contesting their seats next election. It's best the rest of COP do the same :)
Post by: Bourbon on January 10, 2015, 11:59:34 PM
Dooks and Carolyn will not be contesting their seats next election. It's best the rest of COP do the same :)
Yuh making it sound like it was made for them. Dooks maybe....one of his points for Carolyn's campaign was that if she was leader he would consider going up again. But both were forced out.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Carolyn-not-out-of-election-race-288162431.html
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San Fernando West MP Carolyn Seepersad-Bachan yesterday made it clear that she is not out of the election race to defend her seat.
The Congress of the People (COP) member also criticised party officials for the manner in which information was supposedly being issued and what she called the “misinformation campaign” with respect to her candidacy.
“I wish to publicly register my disappointment with the way this matter is being handled, especially since the information being presented to and circulated in the media is unrepresentative of the truth,’’ said Seepersad-Bachan in a statement.
She stated categorically that at no point in time was she invited - whether via phone, voicemail, e-mail or text message - to any meeting with the political leader, the chairman, the National Executive or the San Fernando West Constituency Executive, to “discuss my interest in the candidacy for the constituency of San Fernando West”.
It was reported that COP general secretary Clyde Weatherhead had issued letters to both Seepersad-Bachan and Tunapuna MP Winston Dookeran informing them that they had until November 25, 2014 to respond to the request for a meeting.
In that letter, the COP executive said since the two did not respond to previous letters “the party will be constrained to assume that it is your intention not to seek re-election or be considered as a candidate in the general election 2015”.
Seepersad-Bachan said she has had discussions with COP leader Prakash Ramadhar over the past few weeks on issues involving the work of both ministries, and other party matters.
She noted that as of yesterday, the COP was yet to announce a screening committee and the start of screening for the 2015 elections.
She said that negotiations within the People’s Partnership for seats are yet to begin, and the results of those negotiations are still to be determined.
“Indeed, it is quite disturbing that letters issued by the general secretary of the party, Mr Clyde Weatherhead, pertaining to this matter would have been leaked to the media. Furthermore, the content of the referenced correspondence does not include any invitation to a meeting with the COP hierarchy,’’ stated Seepersad-Bachan who stressed that she remained loyal to the party’s founding principles.
“As chairman, I was diligent to ensure that the COP’s structures were strengthened and allowed for respectful inclusion of all opinions and contributors, and worked hard to create appropriate dispute resolution mechanisms,’’ stated Seepersad-Bachan.
“The most appropriate way to deal with matters such as this involving Ministers, Members of Parliament, office holders and founding members of the party normally would be in face-to-face meetings, and one-on-one discussions,’’ she stated.
“Therefore, I find it difficult to believe that anyone in the COP would treat with such officers in a manner that dishonours their service, and shows scant courtesy to the party’s processes and especially to the membership, as well as to the expectations that Trinidad and Tobago has of the COP,” she added.
Seepersad-Bachan stated she was a founding member and had served diligently as a deputy political leader, chairman of the party, and as a member of its committees, as well as a Member of Parliament and a Minister of Government.
“In each of these roles, I always strove to be a worthy representative of the COP’s interest and vision for Trinidad and Tobago,’’ she stated.
Seepersad-Bachan emphasised her commitment and devotion to party and her constituents.
“My commitment to my party, my constituency and the People’s Partnership speaks for itself, and will continue to do so,’’ she stated.
Kamla wanted Prakash as COP lead because he have ZERO spine or testicular fortitude. Now he eating chain up to consolidate his position. Most likely they go give them all the marginals that they know their chances slim...and give Prakash St Augustine...which he has and safe. Is the same thing they did in 2010.
Post by: Socapro on January 15, 2015, 10:35:40 PM
Friday, January 16 2015 (T&T Newsday)
OPPOSITION People’s National Movement (PNM) General Election candidate for Mayaro Clarence Rambharat on Wednesday night told supporters if the country votes to keep the People’s Partnership (PP) in office, he will “wash my hands” of Trinidad and Tobago.
The meeting followed Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley’s second walkabout in the constituency currently held by UNC MP Winston ‘‘Gypsy’’ Peters. Rambharat told supporters he left his job at the Hong Kong and Shanghai Banking Corporation (HSBC) in Canada on May 20, to work on getting the Opposition back in power.
“I left my job in Canada. I haven’t worked since. My time has been dedicated to getting the PNM back into office. I am 8,000 miles away from my wife and kids. If we lose this election, I wash my hands of this country! If we lose, I will not have a Plan B for you...”
In an attempt to emphasise the crucialness of removing the PP, Rambharat said the Government has done a lousy job of running the country.
“The UNC is a relentless campaign machinery and a relentless mischief machinery...This Government will do anything.. We’ve got an obligation to recover every cent of money for our young people. If the stories are true about six houses and two $20 million houses, then we need to know and recover it,” Rambharat said.
Rambharat was approached by Rowley in December 2013, to join the PNM team. “In December 2013, Rowley approached me and said I would have his personal support.”
Rambharat said he feels comfortable in representing Mayaro in a PNM government and said no one can represent that constituency better than he. “As a candidate, I’m comfortable with what lies in front of me. No one can represent Mayaro better than me.
I won’t waste my time talking about the Government because air time expensive and I want to talk about me.
“Dr Rowley has endorsed our East Coast Renewal Project. Everytime Devant Maharaj stands up in the Senate and attacks me, I have to remind them of the 1992, tripartite report where Dr Rowley was able to bring together all elements of the Sugar Industry, wipe away Caroni’s billion dollar debt and give that company a fresh start. And not long after, Mr Panday came into Government and we know what happened,” Rambharat said.
“A PNM government will talk about agriculture, we have to talk about consumption. We have to talk about where you get your food. And when I sit in a PNM government, I am going to require that my Navet dasheen, my Mayaro fish and my Mayaro coconut water be on the plate of every government minister,” Rambharat said.
Rambharat admitted that winning the votes of Mayaro residents is difficult and he has a hard time especially when he comes into Poole. He urged the PNM brigade to work harder to ensure that in the end, the party succeeds in getting the 1,500 UNC voters in Poole to support him.
“When I get into Poole, I have problems. I see Diego Martin West, Pointe-a-Pierre and Tabaquite (referring to those present at the PNM meeting).
“But I have a more serious battle here. I’ve walked this constituency and people cuss meh.” He said once Mayaro goes to the PNM the party will win the general election.
Post by: Flex on January 16, 2015, 02:57:11 AM
By SEAN DOUGLAS (Newsday).
ATTORNEY GENERAL (AG) Anand Ramlogan intends taking all the money he could get in damages from Opposition Leader, Dr Keith Rowley, for libel in the “emailgate” affair.
He is calling on Rowley to apologise for the defamation following a ruling by the High Court in his favour after the Opposition Leader failed to file a defence in the time allotted. The court is now to sit to assess damages.
“I call on Dr Rowley to apologise to the Prime Minister and myself for making scandalous allegations,” Ramlogan said yesterday shortly after declaring a legal victory over Rowley in the High Court. He was making an appearance at the post-Cabinet media briefing at the Office of the Prime Minister, St Clair yesterday.
When asked if he would accept an apology in lieu of damages, Ramlogan scoffed, “I’ll be seeking the same amount of money, but he should apologise because he damn wrong.”
The High Court yesterday said the damages will be assessed in a sitting before Master Martha Alexander at 9 am on March 10, he revealed.
Ramlogan said he expects the quantum of damages awarded to be “quite substantial”, especially given factors such as who had uttered the defamation, when it was stated, the number of times, and the manner.
“These are some very serious allegations,” he said. Ramlogan said Justice Frank Seepersad had last December 10 given Rowley an extension to file his submissions but his failure to do so by January 7 had resulted in yesterday’s judgment in default of a defence in favour of the AG. He said emailgate had seen serious but false allegations made against top ministers including himself; Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar; Housing Minister Dr Roodal Moonilal; Minister of National Security Gary Griffith; and Works Minister Dr Suruj Rambachan.
Ramlogan said the affair had been highly suspicious because if Rowley truly believed in a plan to harm a journalist and to interfere with the job of the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP), he had clearly failed in his duty to act promptly to preempt such crimes. Welcoming the court ruling, he said, “The outrageous, outlandish and absurd claims were rejected in their entirety.”
He said the emailgate affair was as false as the accusations that he, Ramlogan, had made racist remarks at the TT mission in New York which he said he had never visited, chiding, “This is a pattern of conduct by the Opposition Leader.” Clear-cut errors in the documents presented during the emailgate affair meant that Rowley’s utterances should never have been made, said the AG. He alleged the emailgate fiasco had no basis in fact but was just a concoction to boost a flagging political career. He described emailgate as “a dastardly lie for political gain”, in which Rowley had eventually put his tail between his legs and scampered off.
“Dr Rowley’s back is creaking beneath mounting evidence to show it is a fabrication,” added Ramlogan.
Griffith chimed in to say that the emailgate documents had incredulously purported to show him being present at three different locations in the world at the same time, quipping such a feat was impossible unlike a fantastical scene from Star Trek, “Beam me up, Scottie”.
Post by: Brownsugar on January 17, 2015, 05:31:42 PM
COURT MIX-UP
Only AG and his attorney were informed
By Ria Taitt Political Editor
The High Court erred in the matter of the emailgate lawsuit. And yesterday it admitted to its error of failing to pass on critical information to Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley’s legal team. The information was only given directly via e-mail to the Attorney General Anand Ramlogan as well as to his attorney, Richard Jagai.
Attorney for Rowley, Faris Al-Rawi yesterday produced judicial confirmation of this communication gap “in the judicial administrative process” at a news conference yesterday.
He released to the media the e-mail sent to him by Stacy Seemungal, Judicial Officer to Justice Seepersad, in which she stated that Justice Seepersad had made a determination in Rowley’s legal team application for an extension to file Rowley’s defence in the emailgate lawsuit “without a hearing in Chambers on 16 December, 2014”. The Judge had given the date of January 7 as the deadline, to file that defence. That information however was not sent to Al-Rawi, Seemungal admitted.
In the e-mail, which is dated January 16, 2015 at 11.22 a.m., Seemungal said, “The Application and the Draft Order were then passed to Ms Pariag, a Judicial Support Officer attached to Justice Seepersad’s team to do the Order and inform the parties that the Order was granted. She inadvertently and without any direction from the Judge e-mailed the claimant (Ramlogan). She also sent an e-mail to the Claimant’s attorney at law, but failed to either call or inform the Defendant’s attorney at law (Al Rawi) of the terms of the Judge’s Order...In the circumstances there is no information on the (Ramlogan vs Rowley) file that indicates that the Defendant (Rowley) was informed of the Judges Order”.
Al-Rawi said the e-mail certified that Rowley was not apprised of the events that transpired. He also stated that in all of his years of practice as an attorney he had never seen an e-mail issued directly to a litigant (ie Ramlogan).
He said the Rowley legal team would be calling on the Registrar of the Supreme Court to conduct an investigation into this matter and to speak to the manner in which these events unfolded because it constitutes “a grave embarrassment to the administration of justice and puts the Leader of the Opposition at an extreme disadvantage”.
This was Al-Rawi’s second news conference, since Ramlogan’s claim of judicial victory in the emailgate defamation lawsuit at the post-Cabinet news conference on Thursday, in which he said Rowley had been ordered to pay him (Ramlogan). The judgment was given in default of the filing of a defence.
Al-Rawi said all the information that he (Al-Rawi) provided at yesterday’s news conference would form part of an affidavit to be given by Rowley’s team, as it seeks to set aside the judgment of the court.
However, he said he wished to state categorically the Rowley legal team and Rowley himself wished to make no aspersions against the judiciary itself. “We are deeply concerned that the administrative part of the judiciary has found itself in such difficulty... And that this has constituted an injury to Dr Rowley so far as the Attorney General was bold enough to go about making irresponsible statements that he had scored a major victory against Dr Rowley,” he said.
Al-Rawi claimed the Attorney General had betrayed his constitutional responsibility to act with decorum, in making sure that the administration of justice in civil and criminal matters is carried out with fairness and equity. “It is the protocol amongst attorneys that we copy any correspondence written to a judicial support officer or the Registrar or anyone acting in the Court, that we copy all communications to the other side. That is a requirement. In this case the titular head of the Bar, the Attorney General...clothed with the constitutional responsibility to ensure fairness in civil and criminal proceedings, went to the population at the post-Cabinet conference and made very bold allegations against Dr Rowley...implying that he had no defence and demanded an apology from Dr Rowley.
Yesterday Al-Rawi, on the issue of an apology said: “Apologise for what. That (question) doesn’t even deserve an answer.
“We called upon the Attorney General to retract his irresponsible statements and uphold the standards of the inner Bar. He ought to have known that we did not receive this Order of Justice Frank Seepersad. He knows that he quite improperly received the e-mail sent to him by Ms Pariag....He knows that he ought to have made enquiries as to whether we had received the order or not,” Al-Rawi stated.
Ramlogan last year, filed a defamation case against Rowley for allegations made relating to alleged e-mail exchanges between top office holders, which pointed, among other things, to an alleged conspiracy against the Director of Public Prosecutions, a plot to harm journalist Denyse Renne, the payment of monies to certain persons for the freedom of a person,
Al-Rawi said the Rowley legal team filed an application on October 31 for an extension for the filing of Rowley’s defence. At the time the matter was to be heard by Justice V Kokaram on December 2. However Kokaram recused himself. The Rowley legal team was not informed that the matter had been reassigned to a new judge (Seepersad) and that an Order had been made by him granting the extension and stipulating that the defence must be filed by January 7, 2015.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/COURT-MIX-UP-288889891.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/COURT-MIX-UP-288889891.html)
Post by: Socapro on January 17, 2015, 08:23:20 PM
On the TV series the X-files, there was an gooey, nasty, black, oily substance that used to invade people's bodies and cause all kinda havoc.....our goodly AG does remind of the gooey, nasty, black, oily substance..... :puking:Fella makes me feel to throw-up everytime I see and hear him with his BS!!
Biggest fraud we ever had for an AG!
Post by: Bourbon on January 17, 2015, 08:24:30 PM
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Al-Rawi claimed the Attorney General had betrayed his constitutional responsibility to act with decorum,
He knows he supposed to act with decorum? Cause a big lawyer like that supposed to understand the process and the obvious shortfalls.
Anyhow.....wha again Google need to do to give their findings? Has the new IC chairman been appraised of the case and the findings which they await...as well as the scope of the request made? When Google planning to get back to us?
Post by: Sando prince on January 17, 2015, 08:49:03 PM
If you vote PP, I done with TT (http://www.newsday.co.tt/news/0,205608.html)
Friday, January 16 2015 (T&T Newsday)
OPPOSITION People’s National Movement (PNM) General Election candidate for Mayaro Clarence Rambharat on Wednesday night told supporters if the country votes to keep the People’s Partnership (PP) in office, he will “wash my hands” of Trinidad and Tobago.
The meeting followed Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley’s second walkabout in the constituency currently held by UNC MP Winston ‘‘Gypsy’’ Peters. Rambharat told supporters he left his job at the Hong Kong and Shanghai Banking Corporation (HSBC) in Canada on May 20, to work on getting the Opposition back in power.
“I left my job in Canada. I haven’t worked since. My time has been dedicated to getting the PNM back into office. I am 8,000 miles away from my wife and kids. If we lose this election, I wash my hands of this country! If we lose, I will not have a Plan B for you...”
In an attempt to emphasise the crucialness of removing the PP, Rambharat said the Government has done a lousy job of running the country.
“The UNC is a relentless campaign machinery and a relentless mischief machinery...This Government will do anything.. We’ve got an obligation to recover every cent of money for our young people. If the stories are true about six houses and two $20 million houses, then we need to know and recover it,” Rambharat said.
Rambharat was approached by Rowley in December 2013, to join the PNM team. “In December 2013, Rowley approached me and said I would have his personal support.”
Rambharat said he feels comfortable in representing Mayaro in a PNM government and said no one can represent that constituency better than he. “As a candidate, I’m comfortable with what lies in front of me. No one can represent Mayaro better than me.
I won’t waste my time talking about the Government because air time expensive and I want to talk about me.
“Dr Rowley has endorsed our East Coast Renewal Project. Everytime Devant Maharaj stands up in the Senate and attacks me, I have to remind them of the 1992, tripartite report where Dr Rowley was able to bring together all elements of the Sugar Industry, wipe away Caroni’s billion dollar debt and give that company a fresh start. And not long after, Mr Panday came into Government and we know what happened,” Rambharat said.
“A PNM government will talk about agriculture, we have to talk about consumption. We have to talk about where you get your food. And when I sit in a PNM government, I am going to require that my Navet dasheen, my Mayaro fish and my Mayaro coconut water be on the plate of every government minister,” Rambharat said.
Rambharat admitted that winning the votes of Mayaro residents is difficult and he has a hard time especially when he comes into Poole. He urged the PNM brigade to work harder to ensure that in the end, the party succeeds in getting the 1,500 UNC voters in Poole to support him.
“When I get into Poole, I have problems. I see Diego Martin West, Pointe-a-Pierre and Tabaquite (referring to those present at the PNM meeting).
“But I have a more serious battle here. I’ve walked this constituency and people cuss meh.” He said once Mayaro goes to the PNM the party will win the general election.
From Clarence Rambharat Facebook page. Clarence says "Very simple. I have not said to my constituents I will leave T&T if I lose Mayaro. In fact in 30 minutes I outlined my commitment to Mayaro and said I have no Plan B. Only a plan to represent Mayaro in Parliament in 2015."
Post by: Sando prince on January 17, 2015, 08:52:02 PM
Kamla wanted Prakash as COP lead because he have ZERO spine or testicular fortitude. Now he eating chain up to consolidate his position. Most likely they go give them all the marginals that they know their chances slim...and give Prakash St Augustine...which he has and safe. Is the same thing they did in 2010.
You believe St Augustine is safe for Prakash? Ah doh believe dat is the vibes there right now. St Augustine like other traditional PNM seats that are held by COP are leaning towards the PNM.
Post by: Bourbon on January 18, 2015, 05:53:51 AM
Kamla wanted Prakash as COP lead because he have ZERO spine or testicular fortitude. Now he eating chain up to consolidate his position. Most likely they go give them all the marginals that they know their chances slim...and give Prakash St Augustine...which he has and safe. Is the same thing they did in 2010.
You believe St Augustine is safe for Prakash? Ah doh believe dat is the vibes there right now. St Augustine like other traditional PNM seats that are held by COP are leaning towards the PNM.
St Augustine was never a traditional PNM seat. It was a UNC safe seat. It was previously held by Vasant Bharath and he vacated it for Prakash.
Post by: Brownsugar on January 18, 2015, 12:49:07 PM
Kamla wanted Prakash as COP lead because he have ZERO spine or testicular fortitude. Now he eating chain up to consolidate his position. Most likely they go give them all the marginals that they know their chances slim...and give Prakash St Augustine...which he has and safe. Is the same thing they did in 2010.
You believe St Augustine is safe for Prakash? Ah doh believe dat is the vibes there right now. St Augustine like other traditional PNM seats that are held by COP are leaning towards the PNM.
St Augustine was never a traditional PNM seat. It was a UNC safe seat. It was previously held by Vasant Bharath and he vacated it for Prakash.
St. Augustine spread across the highway going down Curepe/Valsayn South ent? Dais why Dooks lose in 2007. He had the seat until the votes started coming in from across de highway..........
Post by: Sando prince on January 18, 2015, 12:56:10 PM
Kamla wanted Prakash as COP lead because he have ZERO spine or testicular fortitude. Now he eating chain up to consolidate his position. Most likely they go give them all the marginals that they know their chances slim...and give Prakash St Augustine...which he has and safe. Is the same thing they did in 2010.
You believe St Augustine is safe for Prakash? Ah doh believe dat is the vibes there right now. St Augustine like other traditional PNM seats that are held by COP are leaning towards the PNM.
St Augustine was never a traditional PNM seat. It was a UNC safe seat. It was previously held by Vasant Bharath and he vacated it for Prakash.
You right St Augustine was never a traditional PNM seat. I was thinking Tunapuna as I typed the previous response.
Post by: Bourbon on January 18, 2015, 01:02:44 PM
Kamla wanted Prakash as COP lead because he have ZERO spine or testicular fortitude. Now he eating chain up to consolidate his position. Most likely they go give them all the marginals that they know their chances slim...and give Prakash St Augustine...which he has and safe. Is the same thing they did in 2010.
You believe St Augustine is safe for Prakash? Ah doh believe dat is the vibes there right now. St Augustine like other traditional PNM seats that are held by COP are leaning towards the PNM.
St Augustine was never a traditional PNM seat. It was a UNC safe seat. It was previously held by Vasant Bharath and he vacated it for Prakash.
St. Augustine spread across the highway going down Curepe/Valsayn South ent? Dais why Dooks lose in 2007. He had the seat until the votes started coming in from across de highway..........
More like vote splitting....which legislation has been drafted to prevent. ;D
Post by: AB.Trini on January 18, 2015, 08:48:39 PM
How do you win a 'Fair; election in TnT today?
How do you educate the masses about voting for sound moral ethical educated and competent candidates as oppose to ethnic affinities, corrupt and baseless promises with payoffs?
How many voters vote with the old paradigm of putting one ah dey own first?
Post by: Sando prince on January 20, 2015, 04:16:24 PM
Planning ahead
Where elections present fears of vote tampering,,,,,,,,
Should we have international monitors (eg UN) for this coming election? .... I think so. Any views?????
Yeah I am thinking this may have to be done to ensure their is no voter tampering. Seeing how political parties can be desperate to do anything to hold on to power. Also if most of the public believe an election is stolen this could cause chaos.
Post by: Socapro on January 20, 2015, 07:21:06 PM
Planning ahead
Where elections present fears of vote tampering,,,,,,,,
Should we have international monitors (eg UN) for this coming election? .... I think so. Any views?????
Yeah I am thinking this may have to be done to ensure their is no voter tampering. Seeing how political parties can be desperate to do anything to hold on to power. Also if most of the public believe an election is stolen this could cause chaos.
Yeah, sounds like this will be required this time round.
Post by: Sando prince on January 24, 2015, 01:09:44 AM
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-01-24/pnm%E2%80%88picks-dillon-point (http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-01-24/pnm%E2%80%88picks-dillon-point)
Retired Maj Gen Edmund Dillon was given the all clear to contest the Point Fortin seat for the People’s National Movement (PNM) following the screening of four possible candidates at the party’s South Regional office, San Fernando, on Thursday night.
Candidates from three other constituencies in the South also received the screening committee’s approval. They are:
• Clifford Rambharose for Oropouche West.
• Senator Avinash Singh for Caroni Central.
•Dr Lovell Francis for Moruga/Tableland.
The three candidates for San Fernando East—Christopher Chinapoo, Kenny Phillips and Eber Steele-Attong—were rejected. The executive was given a February 6 deadline to return with new nominees. The executive of the Couva North constituency, who were also called into a meeting following discrepancies uncovered with one of their potential candidates, were also asked to return on February 6 with other more suitable nominees.
Dillon replaces current MP Paula Gopee-Scoon who was not among the nominees. The T&T Guardian understands that while Gopee-Scoon had the support of the party groups, Dillon had the support of the executive. As Point Fortin councilor Peter Bharat, the second candidate to be screened emerged from before the committee, he grabbed his stuff, shook hands with Dillon and appeared to be congratulating him and made his departure from the venue.
Asked if he was leaving before all the candidates were screened and the results announced, Bharat said it did not make any sense sticking around, as the political leader Dr Keith Rowley had indicated to him this may not be his time. Kenwyn Hackshaw and Jo-Anne Bowen Delysia were the two other unsuccessful nominees.
In an interview after his nomination, Dillon congratulated Gopee-Scoon for her achievements and committed to consulting with her to better understand the challenges and issues she encountered during her tenure and build from the foundation she has laid. He said there was never any doubt in his mind that he would have been given the nod to contest the seat.
“I approach everything with confidence and with the Lord above me. So I had the Lord on my side, confidence based on my prayers and my own confidence so there was no doubt in my mind,” he added. Dillon said his first order of business was to understand and move Point Fortin from being a place of problems to one of solutions. He committed to addressing the issue of the long outstanding Point Fortin hospital and the diversification of the energy-based constituency.
“Point Fortin as you know is based on oil and gas and if you understand the world, there is a drastic drop, so we have to look at how we can diversify the economy, looking at places like Cedros and Icacos, fishing villages also known for agriculture. We have to look at alternatives to the oil and gas economy of Point Fortin,” he said.
Dillon, who has been in the employ of Atlantic LNG following his retirement from the Defence Force some two years ago, said he brought to the party not only strength in security matters but also knowledge of the energy and other sectors. About his evolution into the political arena Dillon admitted it has also been one of his goals.
“We always jokingly said in the military, there are two professions you will go into when you retire, either politics or religion. I have not ruled out the latter and I am getting into the first at this point in time,” he said. With the exception of 1986 election when the National Alliance for Reconstruction secured a unprecedented 33-3 landslide at the polls, the PNM has maintained its stronghold in Point Fortin.
At the opening of the UNC Regional Office in San Fernando earlier this week, co-ordinator of the Point Fortin constituency Marlene Coudray said that was one of three seats her government intended to wrest from the PNM as it made its re-election bid. Dillion responded to this challenge.
“We are in this election battle for victory at all cost. The question is one of mobilisation, understanding the issues and challenges of Point Fortin and developing a strategic plan working together. We are going to win this election for Point Fortin,” he said.
Post by: Bourbon on January 25, 2015, 06:17:24 AM
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PM Leads in Nacta Poll...
..popular for charisma, compassion for less fortunate
Published:
Sunday, January 25, 2015
A poll conducted by the North American Caribbean Teachers Association (Nacta) has shown that Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar still enjoys an approval rating of 51 per cent among party members and supporters, five years after being elected UNC political leader. Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley’s rating trailed closely behind with 49 per cent.
The poll revealed that the PM’s popularity was based on her charisma and compassion for the less fortunate, while Rowley’s ceaseless efforts to hold the Government accountable on various missteps have earned him some points. The poll, conducted last week by Dr Vishnu Bisram, is based on findings obtained from interviews with 470 respondents.
Whereas the survey revealed that Persad-Bissessar remains the most popular political figure in the UNC, as well as the governing coalition party, supporters insist they are turned off by several of the PP’s incumbents and government ministers. However, those who supported the PP Government in the 2010 general election indicated that they remained committed to the PM’s re-election, saying neither the PNM nor the ILP were viable alternatives.
However, supporters were cautiously optimistic about the PM’s re-election chances, as the poll showed she faced a tough battle in the marginal constituencies of St Joseph, Barataria and Moruga/Tableland. Earlier polls showed the PP Government trailing the PNM in the Toco/Sangre Grande, Arima, D’Abadie-O’Meara, Lopinot/Bon Air West, Tunapuna, and San Fernando West seats.
Voters felt that ministers Vasant Bharath, Fazal Karim, Dr Tim Gopeesingh, Dr Roodal Moonilal, Gary Griffith, Dr Suruj Rambachan and Winston Dookeran were performing on the job, while Larry Howai and Emmanuel George received poor performance ratings.
Post by: Sando prince on January 25, 2015, 09:32:12 AM
Post by: Deeks on January 25, 2015, 09:52:41 AM
Post by: Socapro on January 25, 2015, 10:00:29 AM
Allyuh honestly believe in polls?!
The only polls I believe in are the North and the South poles regarding the fact that they are both very cold places where I don't want to go.
Post by: MEP on January 26, 2015, 09:10:02 PM
Same NACTA poll that said the PP would have won Tobago electionsLook allyuh google NACTA and see who is behind it? this is an organization of two or three with neither credibility nor legitimacy. Why would an organization that is based in NYC care about polls in tnt.....how are your polls conducted? what is your sample data age, location? or is it their facebook friends they're using as a sample.
Post by: Bourbon on January 27, 2015, 08:05:18 AM
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After months of uncertainty, former prime minister and political leader of the People’s National Movement (PNM), Patrick Manning, yesterday told his constituents he intends to offer himself as the candidate for the San Fernando East seat in this year’s general elections.
He made the comment to lusty applause during a constituency meeting at the Pleasantville Community Centre yesterday.
In announcing that he was giving notice to all party groups within the constituency to nominate him, Manning said his health and his speech, “although not the best,” had improved significantly.
“Accordingly, in light of the improvement in my health and my continued dedication to the PNM and the people of our beloved constituency, I wish to advise that I will make myself available for nomination for the PNM San Fernando East constituency.”
He added: “There is only one leader, he is Keith Rowley. To be a good leader you have to be a follower,” said Manning, who has held the seat for 43 years.
Manning initially failed to meet the party’s December 22 nomination deadline because he was due for a checkup with his doctors. However, he got a second chance when the par screening committee rejected the three candidates who offered themselves at last Thursday’s screening session
Post by: Sando prince on January 27, 2015, 11:12:23 AM
On the other hand if the PNM does not nominate Manning when it is clear he is wanted by his constituency then lies another problem between the PNM and the constituents of Sando East.
My opinion is Manning should not run for any political office. He has served his country very well and can now be an elder statement for his country and the PNM as a retired politician. (But this is just my opinion and Manning like any other politician has the right to run for political office)
Post by: Bourbon on January 27, 2015, 02:21:38 PM
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This is the address given by former Prime Minister and member of Parliament for San Fernando East, Patrick Manning as a constituency meeting in Plesantville on Monday night, in which he gave supporters an update on his medical condition, and disclosed his decision to sign the consent form to be nominated for screening -
Chairman of the Constituency of San Fernando East
Mr Vice Chairman
Mme Secretary
Members of the Executive
Area Managers
Chairmen and Vice Chairmen of Party Groups
Party Members of the Constituency
Distinguished Ladies and Gentlemen
When last we met, at this very location, I relayed to you that I would be prepared to consider a review of my position in respect of electoral politics in the following circumstances:
My Health: that is to say, I needed to undergo a medical assessment to determine my preparedness and wherewithal to accept the assignment
Your Support: that is to say, if the members of the Constituency of San Fernando East still wished that I continue to represent them, then I would be prepared to give serious consideration to a nomination.
For the purpose of the medical examination, I contemplated THREE doctors: one in Cuba, one in Washington and my own doctor, here in San Fernando.
Initially, I had decided to go to Cuba but I recognised that there were potential political implications for any assessment made by the Cuban doctors. I did not wish to create any such implication so I decided against going to Cuba.
My private doctor from Washington, a national of this country, who was due to visit Trinidad for the holiday period, arrived in Trinidad on the 24th December, 2014. I actually saw her on the December 29th. My local doctor from Trinidad also provided his input. As a result, I now have the advice which I sought.
My Washington based doctor has advised that, in her opinion, I have made tremendous strides but that I am not completely healed. My Trinidad doctor has indicated, that, in his view, my readiness is a matter for me; nobody would be able to make a categorical declaration on whether I should or shouldn't go. For this doctor, that matter is up to me and me alone.
You will be aware that I was unable to meet the Party's December 22nd deadline for nomination as my request for an extension was not accomodated. It was my stated intention to address the Contituency on January 2nd, 2015. However, in the circumstances as they evolved, any announcement on that date would have been futile as the nomination process was, by then, already closed.
Had I addressed the Constituency on January 2nd, it was my original intention to advise that notwithstanding my longstanding and unwavering commitment to people and constituency of San Fernando East, I would have had to bow out and recommend a successor. However, that was not to be.
As the new year turned, I observed that I have made tremendous, dramatic, positive strides with my health. And it continues. My main concern has been my speech. But my speech today is far better than it has been in the recent past. The way I feel now is leaps and bounds over how I felt even on January 2nd. In fact, on Saturday last, I met again with my doctor who was taken aback with the progress made since our previous visit. In short, the news on the health front, for me, is very, very good. I, too, am astonished.
There are people in Trinidad and Tobago, who are of the view that in the prevailing political climate, there must be a singleness of purpose between our Political Leader Dr Rowley and myself. They contend that in the absence of such accord, the PNM could be adversely affected. I wish to contribute and participate meaningfully in that solidarity.
Accordingly, in light of the improvement in my health and my continued dedication to the PNM and the people of our beloved constituency, I wish to advise that I will make myself available for nomination for the People's National Movement in the constituency of San Fernando East.
(I wish to present to the Constituency Chairman my signed consent form.)
Ladies and Gentlemen, as of now all we are doing is providing our agreement to be nominated. I will only be nominated if you, the members of the constituency wish for me to be nominated. That is a matter for you!
Thereafter, like any other prospective candidate, I will have to be screened, adjudicated upon by the Screening Committee and the Central Executive.
You must be clear that I am not the Political Leader. There is only one Leader. He is Keith Rowley. To be a good leader, you have to be a follower. There are well established procedures in our Party and like anyone else, I am subject to the arrangements of the PNM, its Leader and the Leadership.
And I beseech you to take note that my availbility is for the candidature for the office of Parliamentary Representative of San Fernando East. That is all!
As I close, I wish to thank all the people of San Fernando and the people of Trinidad and Tobago who have stood by me in my darkest hour... during the difficult days I spent in hospital in Trinidad and Washington and after I came back home and suffered three seizures, one of which took place at the constituency office itself. For all who supported with love, care and prayer, I thank you deeply.
I remain, with you, still and always committed to the constituents of San Fernando, the People's National Movement and the people of Trinidad and Tobago.
May God bless you.
Post by: Sando prince on January 27, 2015, 03:38:36 PM
Bourbon what is your opinion on this part of his speech?
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/what-Patrick-Manning-said-289896981.html
There are people in Trinidad and Tobago, who are of the view that in the prevailing political climate, there must be a singleness of purpose between our Political Leader Dr Rowley and myself. They contend that in the absence of such accord, the PNM could be adversely affected. I wish to contribute and participate meaningfully in that solidarity.
Post by: asylumseeker on January 27, 2015, 04:03:08 PM
Post by: Bourbon on January 27, 2015, 06:07:50 PM
... that final sentence excerpted from Mr. Manning's speech is genius.Certainly is. Let's see how the party groups take it.
Post by: g on January 28, 2015, 06:01:44 PM
The second reality is that given his history with the current political leader there will always be the undercurrents in the event of any disagreement. Which will be fodder for any movement against the party. Whoever forms the new government needs to focus on keeping the economy stable and take the country forward. No distractions, this situation is ripe for constant distractions.
Post by: Sando prince on January 28, 2015, 10:58:08 PM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/4-rivals-take-on-Manning-290160461.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/4-rivals-take-on-Manning-290160461.html)
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Patrick Manning has competition. At least four contenders
have written to the San Fernando East constituency executive, expressing interest in being nominated to be screened for the seat which Manning has held for 44 years.
Rondell Donawa, councillor for Cocoyea/Tarouba, yesterday submitted his consent form to the PNM’s San Fernando East constituency office at 3 p.m.
Attorney and businessman Randall Mitchell, 35, a member of the San Fernando East constituency executive, confirmed he was seeking the nomination. Mitchell is the son of former Point Fortin mayor Victor Mitchell.
Former PNM councillor for Cocoyea/Tarouba Leslie Lynch also submitted a consent letter yesterday.Lynch, 57, is aTrinidad and Tobago Electricity Commission (T&TEC) retiree who lives in Cocoyea and owns a construction business.
And Eber Steele Attong, one of the three nominees already screened for the San Fernando East seat and was rejected, is seeking a second screening opportunity.
Here is Donawa campaigning with the support of Manning during the 2013 local elections
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBcN6mnjIxA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBcN6mnjIxA)
Post by: Sando prince on January 31, 2015, 06:20:22 PM
Two interesting pieces from two veteran writers.
Raffique Shah on the PP wild ride to elections http://www.trinidadexpress.com/commentaries/A-wild-ride-to-elections-290438241.html
Selwyn Ryan criticizing Patrick Manning decision to run for political office again. http://www.trinidadexpress.com/commentaries/Manning-Again-290438451.html
Post by: Bourbon on February 01, 2015, 12:02:19 PM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Kamla-may-reshuffle-Cabinet-290442061.html?m=y&smobile=y
Post by: Sando prince on February 03, 2015, 01:55:20 PM
Dyer-Griffith: Time for the COP to get out
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Dyer-Time-for-the-COP-to-get-out-290660821.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Dyer-Time-for-the-COP-to-get-out-290660821.html)
Congress of the People (COP) chairman Nicole Dyer-Griffith is expected to meet political leader, Prakash Ramadhar, today to discuss Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar's decision to revoke the appointment of Senate President Timothy Hamel-Smith.
Dyer-Griffith said she was "very upset" with the removal of Hamel-Smith and Minister of National Security Gary Griiffith, who is her husband.
And she did not share the same views as COP political leader, Prakash Ramadhar.
She said: "I stand by my position that I find it an untenable scenario for the COP to remain part of the current configuration based on these revelations. My views are opposed to that of the political leader. We have not had the opportunity to discuss this matter or ventilate it. I have been receiving calls from past, present and future members all of yesterday evening and this morning of their displeasure with the scenario and their support of my statement of the untenable scenario that we have found ourselves in," she said.
She said she found the grounds on which Griffith had been fired to be "unacceptable" and did not know whether the matter had been discussed with Ramadhar.
Persad-Bissessar announced that Ramadhar would take up the portfolio of Minister of Justice, in addition to his current duties as Legal Affairs Minister.
Prior to Persad-Bissessar's announcement on Monday night, Ramadhar said in light of a police investigation into allegations of possible criminal wrongdoing by the Attorney General, the Prime Minister and the Political Leader of the Congress of the People met on the issue.
Ramadhar stated that the Prime Minister indicated that she was ascertaining certain facts and will make her decision shortly.
"The Prime Minister has responsibility for appointments to Ministerial offices and we await her decision in this matter. The COP’s position that officeholders under investigation in such circumstances, in the interest of their office, should step aside while investigation proceeds has been consistent and is well known. We expect also that the investigation will examine all relevant issues with an open-minded approach and proceed along any avenues necessary to unearth any wrongdoing by any officeholder or other person involved. While thoroughness is needed, it is expected that the investigation will be brought to a timely conclusion." he stated.
Post by: Sando prince on February 05, 2015, 01:48:46 PM
http://www.guardian.co.tt/columnist/2015-02-04/party-done (http://www.guardian.co.tt/columnist/2015-02-04/party-done)
Post by: Sando prince on February 05, 2015, 03:54:49 PM
Sharma ready to run again
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Sharma-ready-to-run-again-290874111.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Sharma-ready-to-run-again-290874111.html)
By Sue-Ann Wayow
DESPITE all the issues involving Fyzabad MP Chandresh Sharma, he is once again hoping to be the constituency’s representative in the next general election.
Although, the United National Congress (UNC) has not yet started screening for candidates, politicians have already began positioning themselves for a run, and gauging constituency support.
Sharma told the Express yesterday his resignation from the Cabinet should not affect his chances of being selected.
He said: “You have 41 seats in the country in Trinidad and Tobago and you would not have all the members in Cabinet. Your constituency performance is separate from whatever Cabinet portfolio, so it is not related. “
Sharma has been Fyzabad’s MP for the past 24 years.
He was initially appointed as Minister of Local Government in May, 2010 but in June 2012, Sharma was switched to being Minister of Transport. In September 2013, Sharma began his portfolio as Tourism Minister.
In March, 2014, Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar revoked his ministerial appointment after receiving a resignation letter from him. He was at the time under police investigation for alleged assault on his ex-girlfriend Sacha Singh, managing director of AMS Biotech Security Concept and Amsure T&T Ltd.
Sharma said he continued to remain committed to party, constituency and country and welcomes any opposition from other party members who may also be offering themselves for screening.
Sharma said: “You don’t want a lone nominee in any constituency. Most times that happens only for political leaders of parties. We want people to start showing interest. We hope that there will always be people. I would be very concerned if nobody shows interest.”
He added that constituency members were pleased with Persad-Bissessar’s decision to once again reshuffle the Cabinet on Monday.
“They feel it is really a clear demonstration of leadership at the highest level of performance where you put country first and in keeping with the best practices,” Sharma said.
Post by: Brownsugar on February 07, 2015, 09:28:37 AM
Sharma ready to run again
DESPITE all the issues involving Fyzabad MP Chandresh Sharma, he is once again hoping to be the constituency’s representative in the next general election.
The UNC doesn't even pretend to have some semblance of a proper functioning party internally but they want to run the country. When was their last internal election? When are they screening candidates? Have they chosen any candidates for any of the seats as yet? Boy firetruck away with this bunch yes!!!!
Post by: weary1969 on February 08, 2015, 07:17:20 PM
:o Tony Fraser not holding anything back right now. Party done!
http://www.guardian.co.tt/columnist/2015-02-04/party-done (http://www.guardian.co.tt/columnist/2015-02-04/party-done)
:beermug:
Post by: Socapro on February 09, 2015, 12:38:30 AM
Abdulah: Expect more allegations (http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-02-09/abdulah-expect-more-allegations)
Reshma Ragoonath (T&T Guardian)
Published: Monday, February 9, 2015
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David Abdulah leader of the Movement for Social Justice (MSJ)
Movement for Social Justice leader David Abdulah says T&T can expect more allegations and controversies as government continues with its attempts to shift away from critical issues of governance. Abdulah urged citizens not to be swayed by diversions, “noise and chatter” away from the real issues in the controversy involving former attorney general Anand Ramlogan, Police Complaints Authority director David West and former national security minister Gary Griffith.
Abdulah, addressing a media conference yesterday at the party’s headquarters in St Joseph Village, San Fernando, said the legitimacy of the Peoples’ Partnership regime “continues to be brought into serious question.” “There will be many more allegations being made in the future because of the nature of this government. The manipulation, the abuse of office, trying to use the loopholes of the law. More is going to come,” Abdulah said.
He said the call by Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar, on Monday, for President Anthony Carmona to remove West was “unwarranted.” He said, after that call for the last six days the media has been focusing “not on the alleged wrongdoing by Mr Ramlogan, but has been focused on the whistleblower, so to speak, Mr David West.”
He said the issue has been kept alive by the revelations by Griffith of other ministers being implicated in an attempt to have him withdraw his statement. Government, he said, has attempted to weave a web of deception and now the Government is “tangled up in it (the web of deception)” and the Prime Minister is at the centre of that entanglement.
“The Government is attempting to, with all this chatter and all this noise, have the population of T&T take their eyes of the ball and lost sight of the real issue, which is, what Mr Ramlogan is alleged to have done,” Abdulah said. Abdulah said he was unfazed by yesterday’s UWI/Ansa Mc AL Psychological Research Centre poll which gave him a one per cent popularity rating for the Prime Minister.
He said he was not in a popularity contest and what should be of concern is one third of the poll had rejected both Persad-Bissessar and Rowley.
MSJ-OPPOSES CEMEX/TCL BUY-OUT ATTEMPT
Abdulah also raised serious objection to any attempt by Mexican transnational cement firm Cemex to increase its shareholding in Trinidad Cement Ltd. Abdulah urged shareholders against passing that resolution, since it will give Cemex, which already has 20 per cent, the opportunity to force a take-over of TCL.
“We oppose the resolution for the removal of that 20 per cent cap. We do not agree with the loss of important assets that have been acquired by people in the region over a long period of time,” he said. He said if Cemex gets 39 or 40 per cent it would force a takeover, according to stock market rules. The MSJ leader added that if Cemex is allowed to take ownership of TCL there will be job losses in T&T and the company’s Barbados and Jamaica cement factories.
Post by: Sando prince on February 09, 2015, 11:45:12 AM
People will vote for party not leader
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-02-09/people-will-vote-party-not-leader (http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-02-09/people-will-vote-party-not-leader)
Political analyst Dr Winsford James says the latest poll conducted by UWI/ANSA McAL clearly shows an increasing number of people wanting the Opposition to form the next government despite an increase in support for incumbent Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar to retain that post. James was commenting on the poll which was published in yesterday’s Sunday Guardian. He said the poll shows the general findings of previous samples.
In the poll Persad-Bissessar emerged as the preferred choice for Prime Minister garnering 34 per cent of the votes, while Rowley received 24 per cent. Some 25 per cent of the respondents were undecided. James noted, however, the latest poll gave the PNM a bigger lead, while it also showed more people favour Persad-Bissessar to lead the government than Dr Keith Rowley.
James said it was emerging as a popularity contest between the leaders. He said, however, “It is not the PM who wins elections but political parties and the PNM will win.” He said the poll showed that Persad-Bissessar was enjoying a level of popularity even though her “government was rotten to the core. She is trying to rehabilitate things, to turn the tide by the toughness of her decisions.”
Only last week Persad-Bissessar sacked Anand Ramlogan as attorney general, Gary Griffith as national security minister and Emmanuel George as justice minister. Ramlogan and Griffith were asked to resign over an allegation of witness tampering against Ramlogan by Police Complaints Authority director, David West.
James said while Persad-Bissessar was seen by the population as not being responsible for those developments, the former ministers were appointed by her. “It was her judgment in most cases,” he added. He said the poll showed she was a leader who was “surrounded by miscreants.” He insisted “in the end the PNM will benefit.” And former prime minister Basdeo Panday said a poll was simply a poll of what people were thinking at a particular time.
In a telephone interview yesterday, Panday said the PP Government had short-changed the population as it did not deliver value for money. He said Peoples Partnership made many promises but failed to deliver. He said it spent some $200 billion and there was “no value for money.” Panday admitted the Government did fix some drains but a tremendous cost to the treasury. He said it also stared some infrastructure projects.
Panday said he welcome a probe into alleged witness tampering involving former Ramlogan. He said the probe must me a meaningful one and there should be no cover up.He said if there was a cover up the entire exercise would be meaningless.
Post by: weary1969 on February 09, 2015, 12:14:46 PM
I like this fellow David Abdulah. If I was living in T&T now I would join his party.
Abdulah: Expect more allegations (http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-02-09/abdulah-expect-more-allegations)
Reshma Ragoonath (T&T Guardian)
Published: Monday, February 9, 2015
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p12/Socapro/David%20Abdulah.png) (http://s124.photobucket.com/user/Socapro/media/David%20Abdulah.png.html)
David Abdulah leader of the Movement for Social Justice (MSJ)
Movement for Social Justice leader David Abdulah says T&T can expect more allegations and controversies as government continues with its attempts to shift away from critical issues of governance. Abdulah urged citizens not to be swayed by diversions, “noise and chatter” away from the real issues in the controversy involving former attorney general Anand Ramlogan, Police Complaints Authority director David West and former national security minister Gary Griffith.
Abdulah, addressing a media conference yesterday at the party’s headquarters in St Joseph Village, San Fernando, said the legitimacy of the Peoples’ Partnership regime “continues to be brought into serious question.” “There will be many more allegations being made in the future because of the nature of this government. The manipulation, the abuse of office, trying to use the loopholes of the law. More is going to come,” Abdulah said.
He said the call by Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar, on Monday, for President Anthony Carmona to remove West was “unwarranted.” He said, after that call for the last six days the media has been focusing “not on the alleged wrongdoing by Mr Ramlogan, but has been focused on the whistleblower, so to speak, Mr David West.”
He said the issue has been kept alive by the revelations by Griffith of other ministers being implicated in an attempt to have him withdraw his statement. Government, he said, has attempted to weave a web of deception and now the Government is “tangled up in it (the web of deception)” and the Prime Minister is at the centre of that entanglement.
“The Government is attempting to, with all this chatter and all this noise, have the population of T&T take their eyes of the ball and lost sight of the real issue, which is, what Mr Ramlogan is alleged to have done,” Abdulah said. Abdulah said he was unfazed by yesterday’s UWI/Ansa Mc AL Psychological Research Centre poll which gave him a one per cent popularity rating for the Prime Minister.
He said he was not in a popularity contest and what should be of concern is one third of the poll had rejected both Persad-Bissessar and Rowley.
MSJ-OPPOSES CEMEX/TCL BUY-OUT ATTEMPT
Abdulah also raised serious objection to any attempt by Mexican transnational cement firm Cemex to increase its shareholding in Trinidad Cement Ltd. Abdulah urged shareholders against passing that resolution, since it will give Cemex, which already has 20 per cent, the opportunity to force a take-over of TCL.
“We oppose the resolution for the removal of that 20 per cent cap. We do not agree with the loss of important assets that have been acquired by people in the region over a long period of time,” he said. He said if Cemex gets 39 or 40 per cent it would force a takeover, according to stock market rules. The MSJ leader added that if Cemex is allowed to take ownership of TCL there will be job losses in T&T and the company’s Barbados and Jamaica cement factories.
Them was in bed with this lot. Where was he in 1995-2001 when they were in power before when Ish and Steve was birthed. Anybody who drank the koolaide that Kamla was sharing needed to get their head examine. That could be forgiven their dislike for the old Patos clouded their judgment but when you was mixing the koolaide you cannot be forgiven.
Post by: Bourbon on February 09, 2015, 01:35:54 PM
Post by: Socapro on February 09, 2015, 02:05:10 PM
One major thing they have going for them is the fact that they ditched early.:thumbsup:
I like MSJ and would probably vote for them if I was home for elections.
Post by: Sando prince on February 09, 2015, 07:09:25 PM
BREAKING NEWS: Attorney Randall Mitchell has been selected as the PNM's candidate for the San Fernando East Constituency. This, after the current MP, Patrick Manning, failed to turn up for today's screening
Post by: Sando prince on February 10, 2015, 08:02:04 PM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Former-PM-bows-out-in-meeting-at-home-291470431.html
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AT around 3 p.m. on Monday, outgoing Member of Parliament for San Fernando East Patrick Manning met with two members of the People’s National Movement (PNM) constituency executive at his Sumadh Gardens home in Vistabella.
At the meeting, Manning told
the men he was withdrawing from the screening process that was to begin at 4.30 that evening.
Manning made his intentions known to the executive’s chairman, Kenny Prescott, and the executive’s vice-chairman, Kennedy Flemming, the Express was told.
Post by: Sando prince on February 10, 2015, 08:13:32 PM
Manning Successor Mitchell humbled, ready to start campaign
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Successor-Mitchell-humbled-ready-to-start-campaign-291470651.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Successor-Mitchell-humbled-ready-to-start-campaign-291470651.html)
Attorney and businessman Randall Mitchell feels humbled by his selection as the People’s National Movement’s (PNM) candidate for San Fernando East in this year’s general election.
Mitchell, 36, has replaced Patrick Manning, the PNM’s former leader, former prime minister and the country’s and constituency’s longest-serving MP since 1971.
He was announced as the PNM’s choice for the party’s stronghold on Monday night, following the screening of nominees at the party’s regional office South, Navet Road, San Fernando.
Speaking to the media afterwards, Mitchell, of Cocoyea, San Fernando, said he was humbled he was selected and thanked Manning for paving the way for him.
He added he was “a bit nervous”.
Mitchell said yesterday that speaking with Manning, whom he described as a “political resource”, was a priority.
Mitchell leaves the country today on a pre-scheduled trip but returns in a week’s time. He said as soon as he returns, he will start getting prepared for his campaign.
Mitchell had nine nominations from party groups. He said he will have to speak
to party groups and constituents before the campaign.
“Also, I will have to start building the campaign team and as a group, we will come
up with some strategies and we will go from there,” he said.
Mitchell said: “Mr Manning has represented. He has excelled as a representative and the truth is he has made it very easy for me as a successor. In terms of San Fernando, Mr Manning’s plan for San Fernando East and the country is to become a developed nation by 2020, so we will continue to seek that sort of development and we will look at the plans.”
He added: “Maybe, some plans are not applicable at this time, having regard to the economic situation and the changed circumstances that we now face, and we will have to look at them and
we will make decisions.
“At the end of the day, I represent the constituents and we have to consult with the people, listen to the people and do as the people suggest.”
Unlike other candidates who may want to focus on improving infrastructure in their area, Mitchell said what San Fernando needed most was for communities to be empowered to deal with issues.
Mitchell said: “Getting the communities empowered to take care of their own problems, to find the solution to chart their own course, I think that is what we really have to build on, the village councils, residential associations, that sort of thing, so that people can really take care of their own problems and not expect some Government or some messiah to come and fix their problems for them. Building communities, building the network throughout the constituency, that is what ought to be in programme first.”
Mitchell said he already has a good relationship with the PNM-dominated San Fernando City Corporation, which should give an added boost to his campaign.
Best for the party
PNM’s general secretary Ashton Ford told reporters on Monday: “Mr Mitchell is an active member of the San Fernando East constituency. He is the elections officer. He has served as co-ordinator for two constituencies before.
“He is well known within the party and he is an attorney-at-law and a businessman, and we believe that he is the best person at this point in time to represent the party in San Fernando East.”
Post by: asylumseeker on February 11, 2015, 04:23:47 AM
I like this fellow David Abdulah. If I was living in T&T now I would join his party.
Abdulah: Expect more allegations (http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-02-09/abdulah-expect-more-allegations)
Reshma Ragoonath (T&T Guardian)
Published: Monday, February 9, 2015
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David Abdulah leader of the Movement for Social Justice (MSJ)
Movement for Social Justice leader David Abdulah says T&T can expect more allegations and controversies as government continues with its attempts to shift away from critical issues of governance. Abdulah urged citizens not to be swayed by diversions, “noise and chatter” away from the real issues in the controversy involving former attorney general Anand Ramlogan, Police Complaints Authority director David West and former national security minister Gary Griffith.
...
Them was in bed with this lot. Where was he in 1995-2001 when they were in power before when Ish and Steve was birthed. Anybody who drank the koolaide that Kamla was sharing needed to get their head examine. That could be forgiven their dislike for the old Patos clouded their judgment but when you was mixing the koolaide you cannot be forgiven.
David Abdullah is best of service to T&T in Opposition.
Post by: weary1969 on February 11, 2015, 07:42:52 AM
One major thing they have going for them is the fact that they ditched early.
Should have never signed up wit this lot. Did they not see their M.O. 95-01? I not so symphathetic. The fact that they had to abandon ship so early indicate that it was a continuation of 01.
Post by: Deeks on February 11, 2015, 07:59:32 AM
Post by: weary1969 on February 11, 2015, 11:59:36 AM
Labour in for a rough time. The pressure to privatize is increasing. I don't know how long the govt going to subsidize TCL.
They raise the ownership gap of 20 % CEMEX wil be there saying hola asap.
Post by: royal on February 11, 2015, 07:06:00 PM
10th February, 2015
Dr. the Honourable Keith Rowley
Political Leader
People’s National Movement
Balisier House
#1 Tranquillity Street
Port of Spain
Dear Dr. Rowley,
I write to you to formally explain the reason for my absence from screening yesterday, February 9th 2015, as was expected following my acceptance to be nominated as a candidate and my subsequent nomination as one of several candidates to be screened for the San Fernando East Constituency seat. I am aware that the Chairman of the PNM’s Constituency Executive for San Fernando East did advise you and the screening committee that I would not be facing the screening committee. This letter represents my more formal and personal account in keeping with expected norms in matters of this nature.
You will recall that in our last discussions I had indicated that I would never be a problem for the PNM. I also indicated to you that I was not well, but if my health improved and I am healed then I could face the screening committee. I noted also in our communications then that if on the other hand my health does not improve I would have no other alternative but to bow out of active politics.
In the foregoing context it is now clear that although there has been some improvement of my condition, my health has not improved sufficiently. I therefore have to bow out of politics under the circumstances. It is for this reason that I did not face the screening committee. I still however trust the Almighty to fully restore my health in His time.
I wish you and the screening committee well in your future endeavours.
Sincerely,
Patrick Manning
Member of Parliament
San Fernando East Constituency
Post by: Sando prince on February 13, 2015, 02:24:34 PM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Rowley-tells-Manning-Well-done-savour-your-lifes-work-291876941.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Rowley-tells-Manning-Well-done-savour-your-lifes-work-291876941.html)
By the Multimedia Desk
POLITICAL leader of the Peoples National Movement (PNM) Dr Keith Rowley on Friday wrote to outgoing Member of Parliament for San Fernando East Patrick Manning, praising his political service which will come to an end when at the end when the general election is called.
Manning on Monday decided not to offer himself for screening for the seat he has held since 1971, citing ill health. He wrote to Rowley on Tuesday explaining his reasons. Rowley replied today. The following is his letter -
13th February 2015
The Honourable Patrick Manning
Member of Parliament
San Fernando East Constituency
Dear Mr. Manning
Thank you very much for taking the time to record the contents of your letter to me, dated 10th February 2015. It is with a sense of deep reflection that I received this very historical missive which now forms a significant part of our Party’s records, pointing to a period of remarkable service which is inevitably coming to an end.
In a country where cynicism usually trumps the flight of the positive spirit, where public service is frequently sneered at by many who have never deigned to participate, you more than any of us know the challenges of the path, punctuated by the inevitable highs and lows. When all is said and done, we of the PNM, and I dare say of all Trinidad and Tobago, can only confirm to you that you have fought the good fights and more importantly you steadfastly kept faith in our country and all our people as you finish your course with the respect and affection which you richly deserve.
We fully understand the personal challenges and your current circumstances and are pleased to learn that you are making considerable progress towards what we hope will be as full a recovery as possible.
In the mean time we will carry the fight as you would have us do as our Party transitions to the next generation of public-spirited inductees and as our country stands strong to become well governed in the face of the stern tests of the local, regional and international arenas.
On behalf of the national Executive of the People’s National Movement (PNM), the entire membership, supporters and well-wishers, on my own behalf and that of my family and our mutual friends and associates, I hold out to you our sincerest thanks and best wishes for a future filled with satisfaction, as you savour your life’s work and the contributions you personally made to Trinidad and Tobago, a place you will leave much better than when you took the responsibility to serve it for as long and as meritoriously as you did.
Once again, I say, may God bless you and your family and may God continue to richly bless us all, the people of Trinidad and Tobago.
Yours sincerely,
Dr. Keith Rowley, MP
Political Leader
Post by: Sando prince on February 14, 2015, 03:17:14 PM
Ah boy how many more UNC supporters have left home.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/letters/Thank-God-I-left-my-UNC-home-291909151.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/letters/Thank-God-I-left-my-UNC-home-291909151.html)
Post by: Sando prince on February 18, 2015, 12:38:37 PM
Post by: fari on February 18, 2015, 02:40:32 PM
It embarrassingly shows how immature T&T people are, that in an election year, during "our Carnival", that a possible contestant for Prime Minister "could lessen his chances", by being caught on camera enjoying Carnival. Is it because of the race of the young lady in the pic? I saw various pics from his FB profile of him enjoying himself with different people for Carnival but for whatever reason much focus on this one pic The truth is that one race is vex with Mr. Rowley and the other race is vex with Ms. Lady.....I see UNITY.
ent! only in Trinidad
Post by: Bourbon on February 18, 2015, 07:07:06 PM
Post by: Sando prince on February 18, 2015, 07:29:35 PM
Just Now on the NEWS!!!
So the UNC Campaign Manager Rodney Charles want to buy the pics of Dr Rowley and got turned down :D.. and the girl in the controversial pic said " its just a little wine" and "is just because I am Indian, I hate racial people "
I am curious to see how the Express and Guardian will publish these new developments tomorrow
Post by: elan on February 18, 2015, 08:20:08 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-K4QSuCUAAB6uY.jpg)
Post by: Sando prince on February 18, 2015, 08:28:44 PM
To be fair, the girl is supposedly 17 years old. However, it was she that went up to him and "tief ah wine". Is Carnival, and any real reveler will tell you that "we doh watch face". As a matter of fact, this "bottom in de road" presented a great opportunity to bring both ethnicity together - 'Jahaji Bhai". But you see these "boys with their hidden agendas and the mind benders" will try to categorize the young lady as "Lucy" or castigate the "little black boy" as ah "vagabond". What the people of "sweet T&T" keep forgetting is that when is Carnival Monday and Tuesday de "black man just feel tuh party" and as such, he " ent sorry for he ways, he dutty ways". Who could blame him doh, because is "bachanal and ah million gyul" on de road, why discriminate? So, being the "iron man" that he is, he eh "ducking" and instead handle it "Like ah Boss".
Kiddies Carnival was not two Saturday's ago? Yesterday was BG PEOPLE mas.. As long as you're in a band then you're LEGAL...There is a *registration* process.
Post by: Sando prince on February 18, 2015, 08:31:58 PM
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=843760228999504&set=vb.192696260772574&type=2&theater (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=843760228999504&set=vb.192696260772574&type=2&theater)
Post by: Bourbon on February 19, 2015, 04:49:53 AM
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GENERAL election campaign manager for the United National Congress (UNC) Rodney Charles yesterday admitted he called Express photographer Trevor Watson, asking if he was interested in selling his photographs of Dr Keith Rowley dancing closely with a woman on Carnival Tuesday in San Fernando. Charles, however, said the party was no longer interested in “getting control” of the images, which were posted on Watson’s Facebook profile on Tuesday evening and which has caused a firestorm on social media. Despite this, the photographs have been shared on several pro-UNC Facebook profiles with commentators accusing Rowley, the PNM’s political leader, of cavorting with an underage female in the absence of his wife and engaging in immoral behaviour unbecoming of his office. Rowley’s supporters have countered he has done nothing wrong. Rowley was photographed while playing mas in Ivan Kalicharan’s seven-section presentation, Bazodee. The woman in the photo, Ravina Rampersad, was also playing in the section, Landslide. Watson captured the images as Rowley and the woman were crossing the stage at a judging point. Watson said Charles called him on his cellphone at 8.50 a.m., asking him if he was willing to sell the photos. Charles did not suggest a price. “I told him it is not for sale,” said Watson. In explaining his reason for calling Watson, Charles said in an e-mail: “I got numerous calls from people saying go ahead and try to get control of that thing. I called and he (Watson) said no, but subsequently our position is that we are no longer interested... those are the facts... I had called.” In an earlier telephone interview with the Express, Charles had said: “Initially people say we better buy dem photos, and questions would have been asked, but we are not at this point interested in purchasing the photos. In the initial conversations we were interested, but we are not interested. “Those are PNM political matters and not of interest to us. Actually, there has been talk by lower level people, but it is not our policy to purchase it.” When asked what was the reason people gave for suggesting the purchase of the photos, Charles replied: “For interest. People say he is the political leader. “Every day people call in to the campaign manager and say, ‘call let’s acquire this, this could be useful in the future’, but it (the photos) are no longer of interest to the party.”
Well...again..more evidence of the whole plan.
Anyhow this reminds me of the "uproar" over this by certain segments of society:
https://www.youtube.com/v/kk6a8ZcaPs0
Laughable.
Post by: Pur_Trini on February 19, 2015, 05:30:53 AM
The rumour mill is also in overdrive. The girl is only 17 (so?). She was photographed with Rowley at other recent Carnival events so it wasn't just a random thing (no photos published though).
Best just ignore all this foolishness oui......
Post by: Agent Jack Bauer on February 19, 2015, 07:13:25 AM
Post by: lefty on February 19, 2015, 07:26:33 AM
He is a very foolish man.........hopeless
steups d man know d camera was dey...........d fact d he eh even take dat on tells me dat it was no scene as far as he was concerned....wah he was supposed to do what? push she away or sumting...nex ting yuh goh hear he snub she(cause she indian) or some shit......storm in a tea cup and much ado 'bout' lil bit.......
Post by: Bakes on February 19, 2015, 08:12:24 AM
Post by: Sando prince on February 19, 2015, 06:13:17 PM
http://www.guardian.co.tt/columnist/2015-02-19/cop-now-irrelevant-tt-politics
Post by: Bourbon on February 19, 2015, 07:21:32 PM
So the joker Sat Maharaj just say wha everybody already know. There is no PP anymore. Iz ah UNC party. I wonder what will be the COP leader response :)It good for them. And no surprise from Sat. The fact that he influences the opinions of many helps understand why some think as they do.
http://www.guardian.co.tt/columnist/2015-02-19/cop-now-irrelevant-tt-politics
Post by: Agent Jack Bauer on February 19, 2015, 09:30:27 PM
At some point in time......or probably never......Trinbagonians going to have to come to the realization that the reason why the country in its current state is because for too long we accept things like this from our leaders as being we culture and acceptable.........and that attitude trickles down to the people.........proper examples should be set and rules of common decency and morality should be followed.......He is a very foolish man.........hopeless
steups d man know d camera was dey...........d fact d he eh even take dat on tells me dat it was no scene as far as he was concerned....wah he was supposed to do what? push she away or sumting...nex ting yuh goh hear he snub she(cause she indian) or some shit......storm in a tea cup and much ado 'bout' lil bit.......
Post by: Bourbon on February 20, 2015, 05:37:28 AM
At some point in time......or probably never......Trinbagonians going to have to come to the realization that the reason why the country in its current state is because for too long we accept things like this from our leaders as being we culture and acceptable.........and that attitude trickles down to the people.........proper examples should be set and rules of common decency and morality should be followed.......He is a very foolish man.........hopeless
steups d man know d camera was dey...........d fact d he eh even take dat on tells me dat it was no scene as far as he was concerned....wah he was supposed to do what? push she away or sumting...nex ting yuh goh hear he snub she(cause she indian) or some shit......storm in a tea cup and much ado 'bout' lil bit.......
Well to maximise the quality of the pool...better we ban things like carnival and done.
ANYHOW.....
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Sat-shocked-292802021.html
Quote
Sanatan Dharma Maha Sabha (SDMS) secretary general, Satnarayan Maharaj said yesterday he was shocked by the wine People’s National Movement (PNM) political leader Dr Keith Rowley had with a teenage girl.
He called on Rowley, who is aspiring to be this country’s prime minister, to take immediate action to correct the negative images being reflected on himself and the 17-year-old girl photographed wining with him during Carnival Tuesday celebrations in San Fernando.
Maharaj said there was a clear distinction between Rowley and Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar, who spent Carnival Tuesday night praying with Hindus on the occasion of Maha Shivratri.
Maharaj was responding to the controversy surrounding photographs on social media networks showing Rowley chipping on stage with Ravina Rampersad. They both played mas in Kalicharan’s band Bazodee.
Rampersad is a former pupil of Parvati Girls Hindu College, Debe. The school is operated by the SDMS.
Maharaj said Rampersad, who lives in Union Hall, near San Fernando, was now a student at the University of Trinidad and Tobago.
“I am shocked that a man with ambitions to be this country’s prime minister will behave like that with a teenager. She is a teenager, only 17 years old, a teenager in the public. We see immediately the difference between Rowley, in his ambition to be prime minister, and that of Kamla Persad-Bissessar.
“There is Kamla with her grandson. The same night she visited about ten temples in the presence of her son. They went and performed their poojas and rituals. There is a difference in the kind of person...there is a difference between these two characters,” he said.
He however also noted that Hindus were not prevented from participating in Carnival activities.
“I don’t know whether she (Rampersad) had control of the situation at all. What control does a 17-year-old have of what transpired on stage? I am looking on Facebook and the amount of negatives that is coming out there. Mr Rowley would have to take some kind of actions to correct the images that are coming out of there,” he said.
And the comments if yuh bored.
https://www.facebook.com/387986111346373/photos/a.388074248004226.1073741828.387986111346373/616610601817255/?type=1&theater
Post by: Agent Jack Bauer on February 20, 2015, 08:26:52 AM
The bachannal culture needs to be evaluated and adjusted..........there has to be limits and control..........it starts from the top and trickles down to the general population........and I eh saying this just because of this nonsense that Rowley put heself in........but something different must be done because apparently what going on for decades has set things back and not forward..........even looking at the failures of the PP.......the PNM has failed the people also.........attitudes need to change.At some point in time......or probably never......Trinbagonians going to have to come to the realization that the reason why the country in its current state is because for too long we accept things like this from our leaders as being we culture and acceptable.........and that attitude trickles down to the people.........proper examples should be set and rules of common decency and morality should be followed.......He is a very foolish man.........hopeless
steups d man know d camera was dey...........d fact d he eh even take dat on tells me dat it was no scene as far as he was concerned....wah he was supposed to do what? push she away or sumting...nex ting yuh goh hear he snub she(cause she indian) or some shit......storm in a tea cup and much ado 'bout' lil bit.......
Well to maximise the quality of the pool...better we ban things like carnival and done.
ANYHOW.....
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Sat-shocked-292802021.htmlQuoteSanatan Dharma Maha Sabha (SDMS) secretary general, Satnarayan Maharaj said yesterday he was shocked by the wine People’s National Movement (PNM) political leader Dr Keith Rowley had with a teenage girl.
He called on Rowley, who is aspiring to be this country’s prime minister, to take immediate action to correct the negative images being reflected on himself and the 17-year-old girl photographed wining with him during Carnival Tuesday celebrations in San Fernando.
Maharaj said there was a clear distinction between Rowley and Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar, who spent Carnival Tuesday night praying with Hindus on the occasion of Maha Shivratri.
Maharaj was responding to the controversy surrounding photographs on social media networks showing Rowley chipping on stage with Ravina Rampersad. They both played mas in Kalicharan’s band Bazodee.
Rampersad is a former pupil of Parvati Girls Hindu College, Debe. The school is operated by the SDMS.
Maharaj said Rampersad, who lives in Union Hall, near San Fernando, was now a student at the University of Trinidad and Tobago.
“I am shocked that a man with ambitions to be this country’s prime minister will behave like that with a teenager. She is a teenager, only 17 years old, a teenager in the public. We see immediately the difference between Rowley, in his ambition to be prime minister, and that of Kamla Persad-Bissessar.
“There is Kamla with her grandson. The same night she visited about ten temples in the presence of her son. They went and performed their poojas and rituals. There is a difference in the kind of person...there is a difference between these two characters,” he said.
He however also noted that Hindus were not prevented from participating in Carnival activities.
“I don’t know whether she (Rampersad) had control of the situation at all. What control does a 17-year-old have of what transpired on stage? I am looking on Facebook and the amount of negatives that is coming out there. Mr Rowley would have to take some kind of actions to correct the images that are coming out of there,” he said.
And the comments if yuh bored.
https://www.facebook.com/387986111346373/photos/a.388074248004226.1073741828.387986111346373/616610601817255/?type=1&theater
Post by: Bakes on February 20, 2015, 09:12:09 AM
The bachannal culture needs to be evaluated and adjusted..........there has to be limits and control..........it starts from the top and trickles down to the general population........and I eh saying this just because of this nonsense that Rowley put heself in........but something different must be done because apparently what going on for decades has set things back and not forward..........even looking at the failures of the PP.......the PNM has failed the people also.........attitudes need to change.
What "nonsense"has Rowley gotten himself into, pray tell? Because I eh following yuh.
Post by: Socapro on February 20, 2015, 09:31:33 AM
The bachannal culture needs to be evaluated and adjusted..........there has to be limits and control..........it starts from the top and trickles down to the general population........and I eh saying this just because of this nonsense that Rowley put heself in........but something different must be done because apparently what going on for decades has set things back and not forward..........even looking at the failures of the PP.......the PNM has failed the people also.........attitudes need to change.
What "nonsense"has Rowley gotten himself into, pray tell? Because I eh following yuh.
Apparently to Agent Jack Bauer, playing mas for Carnival is nonsense even though Trinidad is famous for it and it is viewed as a part of our culture and it brings in so much tourists & revenue to T&T on an annual basis.
Go figure!
Post by: Agent Jack Bauer on February 20, 2015, 09:33:41 AM
we eh go waste each other time.......The bachannal culture needs to be evaluated and adjusted..........there has to be limits and control..........it starts from the top and trickles down to the general population........and I eh saying this just because of this nonsense that Rowley put heself in........but something different must be done because apparently what going on for decades has set things back and not forward..........even looking at the failures of the PP.......the PNM has failed the people also.........attitudes need to change.
What "nonsense"has Rowley gotten himself into, pray tell? Because I eh following yuh.
Post by: Bakes on February 20, 2015, 10:56:37 AM
we eh go waste each other time.......
Yuh done wasting everybody else time... doh make mih feel too special.
Post by: gawd on pitch on February 20, 2015, 03:35:31 PM
To be fair, the girl is supposedly 17 years old. However, it was she that went up to him and "tief ah wine". Is Carnival, and any real reveler will tell you that "we doh watch face". As a matter of fact, this "bottom in de road" presented a great opportunity to bring both ethnicity together - 'Jahaji Bhai". But you see these "boys with their hidden agendas and the mind benders" will try to categorize the young lady as "Lucy" or castigate the "little black boy" as ah "vagabond". What the people of "sweet T&T" keep forgetting is that when is Carnival Monday and Tuesday de "black man just feel tuh party" and as such, he " ent sorry for he ways, he dutty ways". Who could blame him doh, because is "bachanal and ah million gyul" on de road, why discriminate? So, being the "iron man" that he is, he eh "ducking" and instead handle it "Like ah Boss".
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-K4QSuCUAAB6uY.jpg)
Very poetic response Elan. I enjoyed reading it.
Meh uncle raised a good point about this.. He said he wouldn't put it pass the PPP to set Rowley up so. I don't think it was a set up.. but I wouldn't put it pass the PPP to do a stunt like this.
Post by: Sando prince on February 21, 2015, 03:40:53 PM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10991256_10153186096821042_835480695730231055_n.jpg?oh=d19788a9d907a5b840e79ee5e732cf03&oe=557F92A4&__gda__=1431182542_d38f2eeb1d287c95d265e5fe51d78996 (https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10991256_10153186096821042_835480695730231055_n.jpg?oh=d19788a9d907a5b840e79ee5e732cf03&oe=557F92A4&__gda__=1431182542_d38f2eeb1d287c95d265e5fe51d78996)
Post by: Sando prince on February 21, 2015, 03:47:26 PM
COP prepares for general election
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-02-20/cop%E2%80%88prepares-general-election (http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-02-20/cop%E2%80%88prepares-general-election)
The Congress of the People (COP) met last night to finalise its 2015 general election campaign.
The party has received nominees for 11 constituencies including the five incumbents for San Fernando West, St Augustine, Tunapuna, Lopinot/Bon Air and Arima, general secretary Clive Weatherhead said.
Weatherhead spoke prior to last night’s meeting of COP’s national executive where its 2015 general election campaign was introduced. COP’s campaign manager Kenny Lue Chee Lip is leading efforts.
UNC officials noted yesterday Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar recently said nobody would “jumbie” her into calling an election and no UNC candidates have been screened or named. She has said Parliament would prorogue by June with elections called by September latest.
Weatherhead confirmed COP is seeking to contest more seats than the six it holds. He said the leadership had said so earlier on. Asked if that was feasible since COP lost political ground in the last Local Government polls, Weatherhead said, “we have our objectives and we’ll pursue them.”
Weatherhead said the party has already received nominations from 11 constituencies including the six seats held by COP MPs.
He said nominations have come from San Fernando West (three including incumbent Carolyn Seepersad-Bachan), St Augustine (including for COP leader incumbent MP Prakash Ramadhar), Lopinot/Bon Air (several including incumbent Lincoln Douglas) and Arima (including incumbent Rodger Samuel).
Several were also received for Tunapuna (including incumbent Winston Dookeran). Earlier this week Dookeran was mum on whether he would contest and several sources close to him believe he may not.
Weatherhead said two nominations were received for D’Abadie/O’Meara which was held by former COP MP Anil Roberts who resigned last year following the Life Sport furore, now under probe.
Nominations for that seat include Patricia Metivier who COP placed as caretaker for the seat after Roberts’ resignation.
Asked if the COP felt it had a better chance in Arima after the PNM rejected former MP Penny Beckles-Robinson— and whose supporters are upset about that—Weatherhead predicted, “We’ll continue to have a COP MP in Arima.”
Post by: Sando prince on February 21, 2015, 10:48:30 PM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/COP-fallout-293307201.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/COP-fallout-293307201.html)
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Chairman of the Congress of the People (COP) Nicole Dyer-Griffith is expected to resign from the post and as a member of the party when the National Council meets later today.
And in the wake of the COP fallout, the Sunday Express has learned three Cabinet ministers are to be quizzed by police regarding their January 29 meeting held in the conference room of the Office of the Prime Minister to discuss the involvement of then National Security Minister Gary Griffith in the David West witness-tampering matter.
Post by: grimm01 on February 22, 2015, 12:04:32 PM
:rotfl: :rotfl: Moonilal tried to bring this chupid issue in Parliament and Rowley blaze him. Meme going viral on FB.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10991256_10153186096821042_835480695730231055_n.jpg?oh=d19788a9d907a5b840e79ee5e732cf03&oe=557F92A4&__gda__=1431182542_d38f2eeb1d287c95d265e5fe51d78996 (https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10991256_10153186096821042_835480695730231055_n.jpg?oh=d19788a9d907a5b840e79ee5e732cf03&oe=557F92A4&__gda__=1431182542_d38f2eeb1d287c95d265e5fe51d78996)
So what's the background on the kid from St. Lucia?
Post by: lefty on February 22, 2015, 12:12:30 PM
:rotfl: :rotfl: Moonilal tried to bring this chupid issue in Parliament and Rowley blaze him. Meme going viral on FB.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10991256_10153186096821042_835480695730231055_n.jpg?oh=d19788a9d907a5b840e79ee5e732cf03&oe=557F92A4&__gda__=1431182542_d38f2eeb1d287c95d265e5fe51d78996 (https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10991256_10153186096821042_835480695730231055_n.jpg?oh=d19788a9d907a5b840e79ee5e732cf03&oe=557F92A4&__gda__=1431182542_d38f2eeb1d287c95d265e5fe51d78996)
So what's the background on the kid from St. Lucia?
asside frome the meme me eh hear nutten bout dat ???
Post by: Sando prince on February 22, 2015, 12:40:42 PM
:rotfl: :rotfl: Moonilal tried to bring this chupid issue in Parliament and Rowley blaze him. Meme going viral on FB.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10991256_10153186096821042_835480695730231055_n.jpg?oh=d19788a9d907a5b840e79ee5e732cf03&oe=557F92A4&__gda__=1431182542_d38f2eeb1d287c95d265e5fe51d78996 (https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10991256_10153186096821042_835480695730231055_n.jpg?oh=d19788a9d907a5b840e79ee5e732cf03&oe=557F92A4&__gda__=1431182542_d38f2eeb1d287c95d265e5fe51d78996)
So what's the background on the kid from St. Lucia?
Seems like ole talk at the end of the day. But I laughed because the jab was met with a right hook.
Seems like the campaign manager of the UNC Rodney Charles will be the downfall of the PPG government.
I am seeing a campaign that is alienating a lot of young voters, especially with the last stint of continued attacks against the Opposition Leader I am seeing from from paid online bloggers.
Post by: Sando prince on February 22, 2015, 12:42:43 PM
BREAKING NEWS: Nicole Dyer-Griffith has resigned from her post as COP Party Chairperson. She also quit the party.
Post by: Deeks on February 22, 2015, 06:46:55 PM
Post by: royal on February 22, 2015, 07:56:41 PM
BREAKING NEWS: Nicole Dyer-Griffith has resigned from her post as COP Party Chairperson. She also quit the party.
Jack say he calling her tomorrow
Post by: Bourbon on February 22, 2015, 08:22:15 PM
She going back UNC!!!Ummm.... No.
Post by: weary1969 on February 22, 2015, 09:06:54 PM
Post by: Sando prince on February 23, 2015, 12:57:59 PM
Griffith: The COP is dead
..."100,000 people have already left the party"
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Griffith-The-COP-is-dead-293665771.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Griffith-The-COP-is-dead-293665771.html)
By Sue-Ann Wayow Multimedia Desk
FIRED National Security Minister Captain Gary Griffith said his wife's decision to resign from the Congress of the People (COP) was because its political leader Prakash Ramadhar was a "total disappointment and a failure."
He said 100,000 people have already left the party.
Yesterday, Nicole Dyer-Giffith resigned from her position as the COP's chairman and from the party.
Her resignation comes after Griffith was fired by Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar as well as COP member and former president of the Senate Timothy Hamel-Smith.
When asked if Dyer-Griffith's resignation had to do with comments Ramadhar would have made in support of his firing, Griffith said: " The people who do that speculation will be those persons who have hijacked the COP wearing a white jersey but are really UNC members."
He said: " The COP is a total spent force and unfortunately Prakash Ramadhar has totally disappointed the 200,000 marginal voters in this country. For 30 pieces of silver, the COP has been totally bought out by the UNC and that is unfortunate. Prakash Ramadhar is a total disappointment and a failure to the marginal voters."
When asked if he supported the decision his wife made he said: " Nicole Dyer will speak for Nicole Dyer-Griffith. She makes her decisions based on Nicole Dyer-Griifth. She stands by herself. She will not sell her principles. Nicole Dyer stands on her own two feet and it is a pity that people like Prakash Ramadhar could not do the same. Nicole Dyer-Griffith what she has done is what over 100 000 other people have done. They have left the COP because they realised the COP is no longer that representation of marginal voters. "
He said: " As the song says, the party done."
Griffith said the People Partnership Government was totally controlled by the UNC who had no respect for the COP or Ramadhar.
He said: " The COP is of no substance, is of no value. It is not involved in the governance of Trinidad and Tobago."
He also asked: " How come he is so silent now when there is a perception that other ministers are involved?"
His question was referring to an Express report that stated three Cabinet ministers were being questioned by police regarding their January 29 meeting held in the conference room of the Office of the Prime Minister to discuss the involvement of Griffith in the David West witness-tampering matter. West is the director of the Police Complaints Authority (PCA).
On February 2, Ramadhar told the media that he was in support of Persad-Bissessar's decision to fire Griffith and former attorney general Anand Ramlogan.
His comments angered party members who felt he should have supported Griffith's stance on principle regarding his refusal to deny a December 19, 2014, telephone conversation he had with West.
Post by: Bourbon on February 23, 2015, 01:35:55 PM
Post by: ProudTrinbagonian on February 23, 2015, 03:51:54 PM
Valid points raised here, may have been viewed a lot differently if it was the other way around.
Both parties, PNM and PP need to stop worrying about trivial things. Mudslinging going to be at an all time high this election
Double standards in dis PNM country
By Capil Bissoon
Story Created: Feb 22, 2015 at 10:21 PM ECT
Story Updated: Feb 22, 2015 at 10:21 PM ECT
If at Carnival or any other occasion someone were to wine behind the Prime Minister and were she to respond, what would the country have said? What would the PNM and Keith Rowley be saying today?
I can just envisage the headlines, “Disgraceful behaviour by the PM, unbecoming and shameless,” “No wonder we are a lawless society”, “Major letdown to all females in our country”.
The attacks would have been fast and furious and with full force as I said last week. The Inter Religious Organisation would have likely gone on record condemning her indecent behaviour. We might possibly even been hearing from our Archbishop and other church leaders on the moral decline of a country whose leader could bring herself in full glare of the public to “ramajay, gyrate and misbehave” on a child.
We would have read about child abuse, the responsibilities of adults in our society and the need to be our children’s keeper. The uproar might have even forced a premature election.
But this is PNM country. One law for the PNM and another for everybody else.
The PNM hypocrites are coming out of the woodwork to defend the indefensible.
What they are saying essentially is that it is absolutely OK for a 65-year-old man, an aspiring national leader, to wine up in a sexually suggestive manner on a teenage girl who is even too young to vote. “Dat is we culture and anything goes in we culture, so what is all the fuss? Dey too farce and outta place.”
That may be PNM culture but it is not mine nor is it that of the hundreds of thousands of decent, intelligent citizens whose views apparently do not matter.
Could you imagine such unbecoming behaviour from Canada’s Prime Minister Stephen Harper? Or Australia’s Abbott, President Obama or the Queen of England? No wonder Singapore’s Lee Quan Yew said we have a Carnival mentality, which unfortunately has pervaded too many aspects of our lives, including our political lives. But in PNM country there is nothing wrong with a female foreign minister putting her hands, suggestively in my view, around the waist of President Obama who was in our country on an official visit. According to PNM wisdom, Mr Obama must know that this is PNM country.
What would be the hue and cry today if our PM had made unsubstantiated accusations, as occurred in “emailgate”, without the necessary due diligence.
What would the PNM have said and done? Martin Daly, Selwyn Ryan, Roy Mitchell and Winford James would be preaching we are a nation of laws, a country of evidence, and for a democracy to function there has to be minimum standards of evidential practice.
But this is PNM country and Dr Rowley can get up one morning, ketch a vaps, go in our distinguished Parliament and say whatever he wants, or in this case whatever is handed to him, or placed in his mailbox.
Only in PNM country is it right and proper to withhold important, pertinent and relevant information from the President especially if it involves the appointment of someone who many hundreds of thousands of UNC supporters believe to be suspiciously too close to the PNM and Keith Rowley.
Using the same PNM logic, it is now morally right to withhold important information to the Board of Inland Revenue (BIR) regarding our revenue status especially if the BIR did not request the information. Or to withhold information concerning my terminal illness if I am being considered for an important official position in the country; or to withhold information that my degrees are honorary. You think it easy.
If the Partnership Government had no vision, plans and policies in this campaign to take this country forward what would they be saying? We all know from scriptures that “where there is no vision… a people perish”.
But this is PNM country, where calypsonians see absolutely no hypocrisy in every last man, woman and child on their PNM stage pounding the UNC and not a single word, “not a funeral note”, could be heard against Keith Rowley.
And why? Because all our present crop of calypsonians are closet PNM people. Most do not even feel the need to hide their political sympathies because “dis is PNM country”.
I believe it is a moral shame for UNC taxpayers to be funding these blatant, unbalanced and hypocritical attacks on their government in the name of “we culture”.
This election provides a choice between two leaders and two visions for taking us forward. I am eternally grateful that each of us has only one vote.
Post by: Bakes on February 23, 2015, 04:17:50 PM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/commentaries/Double-standards-in-dis-PNM-country-293537261.html
Valid points raised here, may have been viewed a lot differently if it was the other way around.
Both parties, PNM and PP need to stop worrying about trivial things. Mudslinging going to be at an all time high this election
I stop reading about quarter of the way through... you can't be serious. Matter of fact, let me be more blunt... you on shit.
Post by: Sando prince on February 23, 2015, 06:28:59 PM
Post by: Sando prince on February 23, 2015, 06:54:36 PM
BREAKING NEWS: Nicole Dyer-Griffith has resigned from her post as COP Party Chairperson. She also quit the party.
She said the party lacks equity and fairness.
http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-Nicole-dyer-resigns-as-cop-chairman---293563501.html (http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-Nicole-dyer-resigns-as-cop-chairman---293563501.html)
Post by: lefty on February 24, 2015, 02:23:59 AM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/commentaries/Double-standards-in-dis-PNM-country-293537261.html
Valid points raised here, may have been viewed a lot differently if it was the other way around.
Both parties, PNM and PP need to stop worrying about trivial things. Mudslinging going to be at an all time high this election
I stop reading about quarter of the way through... you can't be serious. Matter of fact, let me be more blunt... you on shit.
capil bissoon does write such f**keries it amaze dat people does actually post dat shit as "valid"
Post by: ProudTrinbagonian on February 24, 2015, 10:27:09 AM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/commentaries/Double-standards-in-dis-PNM-country-293537261.html
Valid points raised here, may have been viewed a lot differently if it was the other way around.
Both parties, PNM and PP need to stop worrying about trivial things. Mudslinging going to be at an all time high this election
I stop reading about quarter of the way through... you can't be serious. Matter of fact, let me be more blunt... you on shit.
capil bissoon does write such f**keries it amaze dat people does actually post dat shit as "valid"
There is a lot of sh*t here in this article, but my point is that there is a double standard. It's an election year, no leader of a country (cuz we know he winning) should be letting photos like that go public. If Kamla was lambasted, why not the same for Rowley?
Don't be hypocritical. PP and PNM is the same shit.
Post by: Deeks on February 24, 2015, 11:35:20 AM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/commentaries/Double-standards-in-dis-PNM-country-293537261.html
Valid points raised here, may have been viewed a lot differently if it was the other way around.
Both parties, PNM and PP need to stop worrying about trivial things. Mudslinging going to be at an all time high this election
I stop reading about quarter of the way through... you can't be serious. Matter of fact, let me be more blunt... you on shit.
capil bissoon does write such f**keries it amaze dat people does actually post dat shit as "valid"
There is a lot of sh*t here in this article, but my point is that there is a double standard. It's an election year, no leader of a country (cuz we know he winning) should be letting photos like that go public. If Kamla was lambasted, why not the same for Rowley?
Don't be hypocritical. PP and PNM is the same shit.
Look all PMs got blasted for any indiscretions. Even their families would be painted with the same brush.Chambers got his share. Robbie got his. Panday, got tons. Patos got his share. Is just that they did not try to tief ah wine in public.
Post by: weary1969 on February 24, 2015, 01:19:43 PM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/commentaries/Double-standards-in-dis-PNM-country-293537261.html
Valid points raised here, may have been viewed a lot differently if it was the other way around.
Both parties, PNM and PP need to stop worrying about trivial things. Mudslinging going to be at an all time high this election
I stop reading about quarter of the way through... you can't be serious. Matter of fact, let me be more blunt... you on shit.
capil bissoon does write such f**keries it amaze dat people does actually post dat shit as "valid"
There is a lot of sh*t here in this article, but my point is that there is a double standard. It's an election year, no leader of a country (cuz we know he winning) should be letting photos like that go public. If Kamla was lambasted, why not the same for Rowley?
Don't be hypocritical. PP and PNM is the same shit.
PP and PNM is the same you living inTNT?
Post by: Sando prince on February 24, 2015, 02:06:35 PM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/commentaries/Double-standards-in-dis-PNM-country-293537261.html
Valid points raised here, may have been viewed a lot differently if it was the other way around.
Both parties, PNM and PP need to stop worrying about trivial things. Mudslinging going to be at an all time high this election
I stop reading about quarter of the way through... you can't be serious. Matter of fact, let me be more blunt... you on shit.
capil bissoon does write such f**keries it amaze dat people does actually post dat shit as "valid"
There is a lot of sh*t here in this article, but my point is that there is a double standard. It's an election year, no leader of a country (cuz we know he winning) should be letting photos like that go public. If Kamla was lambasted, why not the same for Rowley?
Don't be hypocritical. PP and PNM is the same shit.
Saw this on FB this morning. I will let PM Panday respond.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10475837_803152339733457_817272196739895096_n.jpg? (https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10475837_803152339733457_817272196739895096_n.jpg?oh=4f52ac86489a1e2676b34b0e29178b62&oe=5550C1A4&__gda__=1435380121_f1261c5d07e00e1ee6646380833ba0e2)
Post by: Sando prince on February 24, 2015, 02:09:42 PM
Panday: No room for small parties
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Panday-No-room-for-small-parties-293766231.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Panday-No-room-for-small-parties-293766231.html)
By Carolyn Kissoon
The resignation of Congress of the People (COP) chairman Nicole Dyer-Griffith on Sunday was no surprise to former prime minister Basdeo Panday.
Panday, who is a former political leader of the United National Congress (UNC), said he never viewed the COP as a political party, as it was unable to stand on its own.
He said, “The COP has never been a party and I think Mr (Winston) Dookeran recognised that when he refused to go back up as chairman. I don’t see them going anywhere unless they hold on to one of the larger parties.”
Panday said in the present political system, there was no room for small parties.
“The two racial blocks will have their support and they like it so. They don’t want any change and there is no room for any small party in the present system,” he said.
Dyer-Griffith triggered a walkout from the party’s National Council meeting in Charlieville on Sunday. The Express learned some members walked out of the meeting and one person cut up his membership card.
Dyer-Griffith, before submitting her resignation letter, addressed the party’s executive giving reasons for her resignation in which she expressed disappointment in COP political leader, Prakash Ramadhar’s response to the witness-tampering incident which led to the dismissal of Attorney General Anand Ramlogan and Dyer-Griffith’s husband, Minister of National Security Gary Griffith.
Dyer-Griffith, in a release, took Ramadhar to task for comments he made in support of Griffith’s removal from the Cabinet.
Post by: Sando prince on February 26, 2015, 02:17:06 PM
http://www.caribbean360.com/business/trinidad-unions-want-all-outstanding-matters-settled-before-general-election#ixzz3SssaZxtj (http://www.caribbean360.com/business/trinidad-unions-want-all-outstanding-matters-settled-before-general-election#ixzz3SssaZxtj)
PORT-OF-SPAIN, Trinidad, Thursday February 26, 2015, CMC – The Joint Trade Union Movement (JTUM) Wednesday warned the coalition People’s Partnership government to settle all outstanding labour disputes before the Trinidad and Tobago elects a new government later this year.
The JTUM, which has consistently criticised the Persad Bissessar administration, said it would also be staging an anti-government protest “in the coming weeks”.
It said the protest will specifically target Labour Minister Errol McLeod, a former trade union leader “as the minister responsible for labour issues and the Prime Minister as leader of the government.
“The JTUM took this decision on the backdrop of the government’s continued failure to implement the Workers’ Agenda. The JTUM is particularly outraged that after five years in office the People’s Partnership government, notwithstanding the commitment it made in its manifesto, has made no attempt to amend the Industrial Relations Act, to bring it in line with international labour standards,” said the JTUM that groups several unions including the Oilfield Workers Trade Union (OWTU) and the Banking Insurance and General Workers Union (BIGWU).
“JTUM views this as a blatant disregard to the trade union movement and the national workforce as a whole,” the unions said, adding that they are also “very disturbed by the inaction of the government…to settle major outstanding negotiation”.
The JTUM said that the protest action is also to force the “government settle all outstanding negotiations before they demit office this year”.
Post by: Bourbon on March 01, 2015, 06:03:56 AM
Griffith, ILP, MSJ, JTUM, Fixin’ T&T unite to sway undecided voters
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An umbrella body as a political vehicle—and possibly another party—which Gary and Nicole Dyer-Griffith are building with Jack Warner’s ILP, the Movement for Social Justice (MSJ), Joint Trade Union Movement (JTUM), and other small groups held its first meeting yesterday. But former COP leader, Winston Dookeran, has hesitated regarding any talks with the entity.
The development towards yet another political alternative came three weeks after Griffith was axed from the PP Cabinet—and former attorney general Anand Ramlogan resigned—because of Police Complaints Authority Director David West’s witness-tampering allegations against Ramlogan. Griffith has given police a statement corroborating West’s allegations. Griffith said two initial meetings towards forming the umbrella body were held recently. But the entity’s first official meeting was held yesterday with ten people including Warner.
The meeting followed resignations from the COP by Griffith’s wife, Nicole Dyer-Griffith, last Sunday, several Diego Martin COP officials and businessmen Joe Pires and Conrad Aleong. The latter two were among those who pioneered the COP. Aleong was also involved in the now-defunct Citizens Alliance with Wendell Mottley (now Unit Trust chairman).
Griffith said, “The two larger parties will require this third force to win and form government. Due to the loss of confidence with the COP there are 200,000 marginal (floating) voters. We’ll galvanise them under this umbrella body and let the two major parties, who have 250,000 voters each, know they cannot win without our backing. This is to ensure there’s no repeat of 2010.
“Marginal voters have no intention to support a Sat Maharaj-type Government—according to his recent comments—in which marginal voters are viewed as a nuisance and irrelevant.” In yesterday’s TG political column, Warner confirmed he and Griffith had continued speaking after Griffith took over Warner’s National Security portfolio in 2013 and he intended now to speak to both Griffiths. Warner hinted another coalition would arise “at the appropriate time.
Asked if Warner was co-ordinating the effort, Griffith said Warner was just one of several involved. Griffith said the core group included “major activists and people, including Fixin’ T&T.” He said the ten at yesterday’s meeting represented various groups and that the group had the backing of business people. He referred the Sunday Guardian to MSJ’s David Abdulah, but Abdulah did not answer his cellphone. Asked if OWTU leader Ancel Roget, who belongs to the JTUM, was on board, Griffith said, “Not yet.”
Asked if the group included PNMites from Arima who were fragmented over the rejection of Penny Beckles-Robinson as PNM candidate in the next general election, he also said, “Not yet.” On whether the new force would seek to link with the PNM, Griffith said the PNM had signalled during the term that it was not averse to linking with other parties. He said the perception had been that third forces should automatically join with the UNC, but, he said, the UNC treated them with disrespect “like COP’s.”
He said he didn’t know the impact of the vehicle on the PNM, but felt both the PNM and UNC wanted Warner’s support. He said the 200,000 floating voters were largely middle class, but also included PNM and UNC “grassroots.” Griffith said: “ILP got more Local Government votes than COP. While ILP now may not be as strong as it was, it had grassroots support from all sides. An amalgam of all our groups, possibly even COP, will be the foundation of a formidable third force.”
Griffith said planning continues this week with “other affiliates.” Griffith suggested Dookeran’s view be sought on the umbrella body. But Dookeran, when contacted on whether he would join the group was briefly silent, before saying, “I don’t know about that at all...”
Suruj: We wish them well
UNC deputy leader Suruj Rambachan said, “We wish them well. The public is much more intelligent than to throw away their votes and cause the PNM to slip into office, knowing the PP has delivered on its performance promises.”
Dookeran speaks
Dookeran on Thursday said he felt “reconceptualisation “ is needed and dialogue with the COP and Dyer-Griffith was positive. That was in response to her statement that she said she wanted to talk to him about his 2014 book, where Dookeran said the “political crisis is here, in 2014 and fragmented society wanted the highest ground of noble purpose.” Dookeran noted calls for new approach to politics and government” and this requiring a new initiative and reconceptualisation of political strategy.
Dookeran is having a minor eye operation and is going to a Caricom meeting in Berlin next week. Former COP chairman Carolyn Seepersad-Bachan said she heard about the Griffith group, but declined comment.
If all of this true I would be somewhat surprised by Fixin' T&T's involvement with anything to do with Jack Warner. But is politics...Trini Politics.
Post by: Deeks on March 01, 2015, 01:09:13 PM
Post by: weary1969 on March 01, 2015, 02:44:15 PM
Jeez, these guys don't have a friggin clue. This is the Jack Warner that suck we dry, and they want to go to bed with his party. What for? more suckin? Haul they tail, oui.
ENT
Post by: Sando prince on March 01, 2015, 03:11:44 PM
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-03-01/griffith-ilp-msj-jtum-fixin%E2%80%99-tt-unite-sway-undecided-voters
If all of this true I would be somewhat surprised by Fixin' T&T's involvement with anything to do with Jack Warner. But is politics...Trini Politics.
Not really surprised by the others joining Jack but really surprised by 'Fixin T&T' joining Jack knowing his reputation. Let us hope the voters are wiser than five years ago.
Same pick up football side mentality we see in 2010 with UNC jointing with COP, MSJ and TOP.
Post by: Sando prince on March 01, 2015, 10:13:16 PM
Fixin T&T has denied being part of any meeting with Jack, ILP and Griffith. They also asked for the Guardian Newspaper to apologize for false reporting. Leh we see what the Guardian will do because this is unprofessional journalism
Post by: Sando prince on March 03, 2015, 11:16:45 PM
http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-Rowley-on-pms-threat-of-no-confidence-motion-3022---294936931.html (http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-Rowley-on-pms-threat-of-no-confidence-motion-3022---294936931.html)
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Bring it on. That's the stance Dr Rowley has taken regarding the government's planned motion of no confidence in him in the house of representatives. And as for the prime minister's threat of a law suit over emailgate, he says he can't wait for that matter to go to court.
Post by: Bourbon on March 04, 2015, 05:03:44 AM
Rowley on PM threat of no confidence motion
http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-Rowley-on-pms-threat-of-no-confidence-motion-3022---294936931.html (http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-Rowley-on-pms-threat-of-no-confidence-motion-3022---294936931.html)QuoteBring it on. That's the stance Dr Rowley has taken regarding the government's planned motion of no confidence in him in the house of representatives. And as for the prime minister's threat of a law suit over emailgate, he says he can't wait for that matter to go to court.
Does it make sense though?
Just like a motion of confidence in the PM would almost be certain to fail due to the majority held by the government, wouldn't a motion of no confidence in the leader of the opposition be certain to succeed due to the same majority? Would he be forced to resign? Has this ever been done before?
I asking based on reading this:
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83. (1) There shall be an office of Leader of the Opposition
and appointments thereto shall be made by the President.
(2) The President shall, if the person concerned is
willing to be appointed, appoint as Leader of the Opposition the
member of the House of Representatives who, in his judgment, is
best able to command the support of the greatest number of
members of the House of Representatives who do not support the
Government.
(3) The office of Leader of the Opposition shall become
vacant where—
(a) he resigns his office;
(b) the holder thereof ceases to be a member of the
House of Representatives for any cause other
than a dissolution of Parliament;
(c) he is not a member of the House of
Representatives when the House of
Representatives first meets after a dissolution
of Parliament;
(d) by virtue of section 49(3) he is required to cease
to exercise his functions as a member of the
House of Representatives;
(e) he is appointed to the office of Prime Minister; or
(f) his appointment is revoked under the provisions
of subsection (4).
(4) Where in the judgment of the President, the Leader
of the Opposition is no longer the member of the House of
Representatives best able to command the support of a majority
of those members of the House of Representatives who do not
support the Government, the President shall revoke the
appointment of the Leader of the Opposition.
(5) Nothing in subsection (4) shall apply while
Parliament is dissolved.
(6) Where the office of Leader of the Opposition is
vacant, whether because there is no member of the House of
Representatives so qualified for appointment or because no one
qualified for appointment is willing to be appointed, or because
the Leader of the Opposition has resigned his office or for any
other reason, any provision in this Constitution requiring
consultation with the Leader of the Opposition shall, in so far as
it requires such consultation, be of no effect.
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49 (3) Where circumstances such as are referred to in
paragraph (d) of subsection (2) arise because any member of the
House of Representatives is under sentence of death or
imprisonment, is mentally ill, declared bankrupt or convicted of an
offence relating to elections, and where it is open to the member to
appeal against the decision, either with the leave of a Court or other
authority or without such leave, he shall forthwith cease to perform
his functions as a member of the House so however that, subject to
the provisions of this section, he shall not vacate his seat until the
expiration of a period of thirty days thereafter.
http://rgd.legalaffairs.gov.tt/Laws2/Constitution.pdf
Post by: Sando prince on March 04, 2015, 07:14:05 AM
Post by: Socapro on March 04, 2015, 10:19:14 AM
Bourbon the government know the motion iz ah waste of time. But it will create another topic to distract the public.:thumbsup:
This is quite apparent unless you are blind or highly gullible.
As usual the PPG is taking the general public for fools and is relying on the ignorance of most of their supporters to buy the nonsense that the PM preached on the platform.
Post by: Michael-j on March 04, 2015, 10:38:47 AM
Bourbon the government know the motion iz ah waste of time. But it will create another topic to distract the public.:thumbsup:
This is quite apparent unless you are blind or highly gullible.
As usual the PPG is taking the general public for fools and is relying on the ignorance of most of their supporters to buy the nonsense that the PM preached on the platform.
No confidence motion my ass....if Kamla thinks her government is so strong then she should call a general election and let the citizens decide. After all, the ultimate display of no confidence in Rowley will be a resounding rejection of him at the polls....not so madame PM?? ::)
Post by: Bourbon on March 04, 2015, 12:57:49 PM
Anyhow.
Imbert: Gov't suppressing EBC Report (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Imbert-Govt-suppressing-EBC-report-294933921.html)
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Imbert: Govt suppressing EBC report
Story Created: Mar 3, 2015 at 9:48 PM ECT
Story Updated: Mar 3, 2015 at 9:48 PM ECT
The Government is suppressing an Elections and Boundaries Commission (EBC) report for the purposes of voter padding, Opposition MP Colm Imbert claimed yesterday.
However, Leader of Government Business Dr Roodal Moonilal dismissed this claim, saying that the report was approved by Cabinet and is being transmitted to Parliament through the usual channels.
“Imbert is making mischief and talking rubbish,” said Moonilal.
Imbert, at a news conference at the Opposition Leader’s Port of Spain office yesterday, said he was certain that the United National Congress (UNC) was engaged in a plot to voter pad and house pad.
“I am of the view that the UNC has taken the opportunity over the last year or so to house pad, to voter pad and to move voters into San Fernando East from the Oropouche area and I challenge the UNC to tell me that that is not so,” said Imbert.
He said the EBC boundaries report should have been laid in the Parliament since last year in keeping with the provisions of the Constitution.
Imbert noted section 72 of the Commission which states:
(1) The Commission shall, in accordance with the provisions of this section, review the number and boundaries of the constituencies into which Trinidad and Tobago is divided and submit to the Prime Minister and the Speaker for presentation to the House of Representatives in accordance with this section reports either (a) showing the constituencies into which it recommends that Trinidad and Tobago should be divided in order to give effect to the rules set out in the Second Schedule; or (b) stating that, in the opinion of the Commission, no alteration is required to the existing number or boundaries of constituencies in order to give effect to the said rules.
(2) Reports under subsection (1) shall be submitted by the Commission not less than two nor more than five years from the date of the submission of its last report.
He said the last EBC report was dated April 30, 2009 which means the report after that should have been tabled last year.
Imbert said he was aware of the changes of the report.
“I happen to be to be aware of what the changes are, there’s not any secret in Trinidad and Tobago and a little birdie told me that changes have been made to the constituency of San Fernando East, three polling divisions have been moved from Oropouche East into San Fernando East in the area of Corinth,” he said.
The polling divisions to be moved from Oropouche East, he added, were 3860, 3872, 3905 — which traditionally voted in favour of the United National Congress.
He said that two small poling divisions — 4055 and 4060 — have been moved out of San Fernando East into San Fernando West.
Imbert said based on the last general election results, the effect of this change would be to reduce the PNM’s majority in San Fernando East by 1,000 votes.
He noted that there are a lot of Housing Development Corporation (HDC) units built by the former PNM administration in the Corinth area. He questioned why the report has not been laid yet as he pointed out that the Parliament will automatically be dissolved in June as the Government’s tenure comes to an end.
According to Imbert, Moonilal “muttered” in Parliament last week that there was a report and a cover letter was needed for it.
Imbert dismissed this as “nonsense” as he questioned why was it taking so long for a cover letter to the Speaker to say here is the report.
“I am certain they suppressed this report so they can do house padding and voter padding in San Fernando East and I would like the report to be dealt with immediately,” said Imbert.
He said a PNM Government will change the law to ensure that the EBC report is laid in the Parliament within a set specified time frame. —Anna Ramdass
Post by: Socapro on March 04, 2015, 02:51:06 PM
You'd be surprised how many people that support Kamla may beg to disagree.
Not in the least!! Those people also include the thousands of Guyanese they have been hastily regularizing and giving housing to in the marginal’s seats.
This corrupt racist PP government plans to win these elections by hook or by crook so it won't be easy for the population to get rid of them.
They also have elections re-run and SoE to fall back on just in case things don't seem to be going their way.
Post by: Bakes on March 04, 2015, 05:45:47 PM
Post by: Sando prince on March 05, 2015, 04:21:56 PM
BREAKING NEWS: Housing Minister Dr. Roodal Moonilal reveals HDC to distribute 100 houses per week for the rest of 2015.
Elections is in the air! :D
Post by: Bourbon on March 05, 2015, 06:21:22 PM
I say I go apply for a hdc house last year... To be told I have to fill in the online form. Gone to do it... Some coding error the page had so a lot of it distorted and cannot be completed. Tried different computers and same problem. Wonder what would happen now?
BREAKING NEWS: Housing Minister Dr. Roodal Moonilal reveals HDC to distribute 100 houses per week for the rest of 2015.
Elections is in the air! :D
Post by: Sando prince on March 05, 2015, 11:07:05 PM
Interesting
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Maharaj-Well-informed-about-issues-295272191.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Maharaj-Well-informed-about-issues-295272191.html)
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ATTORNEY Ramesh Lawrence Maharaj will be representing Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley in court against any cases that will be filed against him by Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar with respect to “emailgate” and other related matters.
On Wednesday night, during a People’s National Movement political meeting in Marabella, Rowley said Maharaj will be his senior attorney in the impending lawsuits. Rowley said he was even prepared to contact former prime minister Basdeo Panday to join his team of attorneys.
Post by: Sando prince on March 05, 2015, 11:09:48 PM
I say I go apply for a hdc house last year... To be told I have to fill in the online form. Gone to do it... Some coding error the page had so a lot of it distorted and cannot be completed. Tried different computers and same problem. Wonder what would happen now?
BREAKING NEWS: Housing Minister Dr. Roodal Moonilal reveals HDC to distribute 100 houses per week for the rest of 2015.
Elections is in the air! :D
I just hope this house distribution is not an avenue used for voter padding.
Post by: Socapro on March 06, 2015, 12:44:28 AM
I say I go apply for a hdc house last year... To be told I have to fill in the online form. Gone to do it... Some coding error the page had so a lot of it distorted and cannot be completed. Tried different computers and same problem. Wonder what would happen now?
BREAKING NEWS: Housing Minister Dr. Roodal Moonilal reveals HDC to distribute 100 houses per week for the rest of 2015.
Elections is in the air! :D
I just hope this house distribution is not an avenue used for voter padding.
That's exactly the intention based on the thousands of squatters (the majority being Guyanese) who have been recently regularized and who are now being given priority housing in the marginal seats.
Also note that the official ballot paper printing machine has been missing for many weeks now.
The corrupt PP government plans to win the coming general elections by any means necessary so it won't be easy sailing to get rid of them despite their general unpopularity with the T&T population.
They also have elections re-run and SoE to fall back on just in case things don't seem to be going their way.
Post by: Sando prince on March 10, 2015, 12:01:14 AM
PNM chooses Berkley, Cudjoe for Tobago seats
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-03-09/pnm-chooses-berkley-cudjoe-tobago-seats (http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-03-09/pnm-chooses-berkley-cudjoe-tobago-seats)
The 2015 general elections political campaign has officially started in Tobago. On March 8, People's National Movement (PNM) chair Frankyn Khan annouced the names of the candidates for the two Tobago seats.
Tobago House of Assembly (THA) Assemblyman for Goodwood / Belle Garden Wendell Berkley and PNM Senator Shamfa Cudjoe were given the nod to represent Tobago East and West respectively.
Berkley is a former Assemblyman, the current Chairman of the Tobago East constituency and the current Vice Chairman of the Tobago Council. He said he is ready for the task ahead, and identified several "outstanding" areas that would require his attention.
“There are some areas in Tobago that has been outstanding for a while, for example there is the North East development plan, there is the Windward development plan, there are some plans that the THA has and of course there would be those as planned by the Central Government.”
Cudjoe, the lone nominee for the Tobago West seat, was named by 24 party groups. She said Tobago’s autonomy would be one of her priorities.
“What I have to offer the people of Tobago West and the people of Tobago by extension is my commitment to work with the Tobago House of Assembly to increase its autonomy and to bring the necessary resources and access to opportunities for Tobagonians like that experienced in Trinidad and even better,” Cudjoe said.
Speaking at a news conference at the Hampden Lowlands Community Centre on Sunday, the PNM chair said Berkley and Cudjoe were chosen from a field of seven nominees. All 41 candidates to contest the 2015 elections are to be sent to the party's central executive for approval. Khan said that the Central Executive does not usually override the decision of the screening committee, and he expects all the candidates to be formally approved.
“From here on the campaign has started for the people of Tobago. The party’s leadership is extremely confident based on our victory in the 2013 THA elections that we will be winning the two Tobago seats in Tobago East and Tobago West,” Khan said.
Meanwhile Deputy Political Leader, Tobago Council, Orville London says the he was impressed by the calibre of candidates screened for the seats. He said the strength of the candidates made it a tough decision.
“It was a very close contest. Everybody displayed strengths, everybody displayed characteristics which we considered to be positive and at the end of the exercise based on the recommendation of the executive and our own observations we would have a decision, but it was very very close and there were other candidates who were almost as impressive but it was just all-round attributes.”
Four out of the seven candidates screened for the Tobago seats are under 40 years old. London said the youth participation in politics shows that the PNM is in good hands.
Post by: Sando prince on March 10, 2015, 08:57:55 PM
Bourbon the government know the motion iz ah waste of time. But it will create another topic to distract the public.:thumbsup:
This is quite apparent unless you are blind or highly gullible.
As usual the PPG is taking the general public for fools and is relying on the ignorance of most of their supporters to buy the nonsense that the PM preached on the platform.
No confidence motion my ass....if Kamla thinks her government is so strong then she should call a general election and let the citizens decide. After all, the ultimate display of no confidence in Rowley will be a resounding rejection of him at the polls....not so madame PM?? ::)
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Al-Rawi-blasts-Kamla-295839811.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Al-Rawi-blasts-Kamla-295839811.html)
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On the intended Motion of No Confidence against Rowley, Al-Rawi said the PNM will never be guided by Persad-Bissessar and he was as yet not convinced that there was a motion to be had.
Al-Rawi said it remains to be seen whether the motion will be approved by Speaker of the House Wade Mark, if and when it is presented, but he deemed the motion a waste of air time and “a stroke of desperation” on the part of Persad-Bissessar.
Post by: Bourbon on March 11, 2015, 09:17:23 AM
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EBC head: No favours in boundary changes
By Joel Julien joel.julien@trinidadexpress.com
Story Created: Mar 10, 2015 at 9:05 PM ECT
Story Updated: Mar 10, 2015 at 9:05 PM ECT
THE ELECTIONS and Boundaries Commission (EBC) is not manipulating the boundaries of constituencies to favour any particular political party for the upcoming general election, EBC chairman Dr Norbert Masson has said.
Masson made the statement yesterday as he defended the EBC’s recommendation that the boundaries of five constituencies be changed for this year’s general election.
Ten constituencies will be affected in all, he said.
Masson said the criteria used by the EBC in arriving at this decision were “completely apolitical”.
He reaffirmed his own independence and put his “neck on the block” that the other EBC commissioners were all “above board”.
Pollster Nigel Henry said the EBC is almost always correct in the boundary-moving decisions it makes.
The EBC’s report on the boundary change is currently before the Parliament.
“There is a principle in democratic elections termed Equality of Strength in Voting, that is to say in every single constituency you should have the same number of electors. That clearly is impossible,” Masson said.
“Therefore our way of dealing with that in the Constitution is to say that the number of electors in any constituency shall be no more than ten per cent above or below the average number of voters throughout the entire country,” he said.
“The criteria that we use is apolitical, in the sense that when a polling division is to be moved we don’t look at the polling division to see how many people from a political party voted in the last election, we move on the basis of the fact that, look, we have to establish this equality of strength.”
Masson said any time this needs to be done there are claims of gerrymandering.
“When they are in opposition they criticise the EBC, when we change boundaries, when the positions change, the same thing happens. In other words, it is as if redistricting or districting, which is a term in the technical literature for the adjustment of these boundaries, whenever that occurs you have rancour and bitterness in the Parliament,” Masson said.
“You have to shift, you have to move people but we do not...the criteria for making these moves are completely apolitical, you change on the basis of you use highways, you use mountains, you use physical features to do that kind of thing. You find yourself between a rock and a hard place, you have to bring the constituencies within the limits as specified in the law,” he said.
Masson questioned why he would be involved in gerrymandering.
“Why would I be involved in that? Why would our commission be involved in some corrupt activity like that?” he asked. “We try to be on the straight and narrow. This is a very serious business, elections are very serious things.”
Masson said the shifts are not made willy nilly.
“We don’t just shift people willy-nilly, we look at the situations and we do what we think is the least distortional, from every point of view, to the people living in the constituencies.”
Masson defends the EBC
“The independence of the body perhaps is being challenged, but I can assure you that this chairman is not being interfered with and I don’t think I need anybody’s money or anybody’s support to do anything. I am a fearless chap and I am quite independent,” he said.
Masson said for the past 50 years he has given “unblemished” service to the State.
He said the EBC is prepared for the election although the run-off provision has not yet been proclaimed.
“We don’t know what the provisions of the run-off are at this point in time. The first phase of the election is on the basis of first past the post and therefore we can go ahead and prepare for that first phase, we don’t know what the run-off provisions are at all,” he said.
Post by: Bourbon on March 11, 2015, 09:19:05 AM
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Kumar calls for fixed election dates
Story Created: Mar 10, 2015 at 9:04 PM ECT
Story Updated: Mar 10, 2015 at 9:04 PM ECT
FOR this country to be able to better plan, citizens need to demand a fixed date for elections, said Catherine Kumar, chief executive officer of the Trinidad and Tobago Debates Commission (TTDC).
Kumar made the statement as members of the TTDC’s executive yesterday addressed a workshop for local journalists entitled “Covering Elections in Trinidad and Tobago”.
It was announced that the TTDC intends to host two Leaders’ Debates in the build-up to this year’s general election.
A Leaders’ Debate planned by the TTDC for the 2013 local government election was cancelled because Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar opted to have Prakash Ramadhar represent the People’s Partnership as its leader.
Kumar said a memorandum of understanding is being arranged to prevent a similar occurrence.
TTDC chairman Andrew Sabga said several financiers have signalled their intention to fund the Leaders’ Debate rather than pump money into individual political parties.
“Now they may have an advantage in the US (United States) over us because they know from beforehand the exact date elections will be, so what they actually do is they go out and they put out a tender and a university wins a tender to host the debate,” Kumar said.
“So they have that great advantage that we don’t and I think that we all need to be calling for fixed terms and we know when elections will be, fixed election dates, because that will help the country to be able to plan better if we all know when elections would be. It would certainly help the Debates Commission to plan better,” she said.
TTDC commissioner Fr Clyde Harvey said plans are being put in place to ensure all the leaders of the major parties contesting the elections be present for the Leaders’ Debate.
“This time around there is an effort to contact the leaders more directly, although they will have somebody who is the contact person, but it is part of a wider issue, I think, and that is how can we convince our politicians to move beyond the PR (public relations) approach to politics and really begin to deal with the substantial issues and until we do that we are going to get people constantly ducking anything that challenges either their intelligence or their integrity,” Harvey said.
Kumar said she believes politicians may be “scared and wary” of the debates.
“I think the politicians are really not accustomed to debates, those type of debates, and it is a fact that they are a bit scared and wary about them. They are not too sure what is coming at them, whether they are prepared enough, whether they can answer the questions as they are being asked and therefore they are wary,” Kumar said.
“But I believe deep down there is a desire to carry out the debates and have the debates, we just need to have more and more of it so they become familiar with it,” she said.
Sabga said: “The challenge of getting leaders to debate is not unique to Trinidad and Tobago alone. What surprised me is the difficulties that the US debates commission has in getting its leaders to debate and really why they come to the table and make sure they debate is because the public demands it,” Sabga said.
“And if you don’t come to the table to debate, that is political suicide and that is where we want to get, to a point where it is expected if you do not come to the table to address the issues, it is the equivalent to saying I am not worthy of the votes that I may get,” he said.
Post by: AB.Trini on March 11, 2015, 11:03:25 AM
Percy Shelley: here is my adapted summary from http://www.gradesaver.com/percy-shelley-poems/study-guide/summary-the-mask-of-anarchy to parallel the TNT context."The Mask of Anarchy"
The speaker is sleeping in A little remote village in Trinidad when he is awoken by a voice from The present government who summons him back with "A Call for Victory" yet he is perplexed by the images and daily news on TV and papers of murders, corruption, unresolved crimes that has occurred. The Murder of a nation so to speak fills his thinking as he ponders what to do. His home is characterized by anarchic murder rather than a true spirit of alleged change as proposed five years ago.He witnesses the personification of Murder, Fraud, Hypocrisy, various Destructions, and Anarchy. Anarchy driving greedy politicians throughout TNT scaring the population. Soon, like “a cabal of bloodhounds” they permeate all areas of TNT where they plunder and continue to fool the innocent public. They continue to butcher the innocent as they travel through the land, eventually claiming all the land where the “dwellers,” who are by this time aware of the havoc these politricksters tyrants are running, creating "panic-stricken” among all
Anarchy - the government claims to be God, King, and Law, rejecting all traditional sources of authority and power. Some fools choose to follow them. As their forces proceed with their destruction, even Hope cries out in despair. Finally, however, a mist of hope emerges, carrying thoughts of a different future. This revives Hope and aims to destroy Anarchy. The land of TnT seems to speak to the People, asking them to rise and retake true freedom, since they really have been oppressed and should fight back. Instead of trading “blood for blood” and “wrong for wrong,” the people should finally turn back to justice, wisdom, peace, and love in order to achieve liberty. They should be guided by “Science, Poetry, and Thought” and quiet virtues. The true revolution should be “measured” and use words instead of guns, drawing on the “old decree of Dr.Eric Williams instead of the new laws of the oppressors. When the tyrants fight back, the people should let their anger show itself until the tyrants fall back in shame. The people will then “Rise like Lions after slumber / In unvanquishable number” to reform TnT. Through a return to moral, ethnical, peaceful , harmonious existence of all humanity- not the political pied piper slogans of fruitless rhetoric like a "call to Victory" to stir the ignorant masses
- He awakes and decides that the notion of a better TnT can be a reality if this call to victory is rejected and all people awake from the blindness, the shackles of oppression and the darkness of tyrannous anarchy which has cast a veil upon the land- he calls for light from the shadows of oppression and the wanton greed of those seeking quick riches- bleeding the land and squishing the essence of its natural beauty from her pores.
Read the first couple paragraphs
http://www.enotes.com/topics/mask-anarchy
Post by: Sando prince on March 14, 2015, 10:13:28 AM
Post by: Sando prince on March 17, 2015, 10:24:02 PM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/She-cant-find-candidate-to-oppose-me-296672701.html
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There is no merit in the Prime Minister’s attack on Faris Al-Rawi, which is rooted in the fact that she cannot find a candidate to run against him in San Fernando West in the upcoming general election.
Post by: Sando prince on March 17, 2015, 10:25:43 PM
‘Fire Faris’ just a distraction
Rowley not taking on PM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Fire-Faris-just-a-distraction-296672561.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Fire-Faris-just-a-distraction-296672561.html)
By Joel Julien joel.
“THE Prime Minister doth protest too much.”
This was the response from Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley yesterday to Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar’s interest in his legal team in the Section 34 defamation lawsuit brought by former attorney general Anand Ramlogan against Rowley.
Last week Persad-Bissessar called for Faris Al-Rawi to be removed as the instructing attorney in the Section 34 defamation lawsuit. Al-Rawi was eventually removed on Sunday by Rowley.
Speaking at this week’s Monday Night Forum Persad-Bissessar trained her guns on the lead attorney in the matter, Senior Counsel Reginald Armour.
Persad-Bissessar questioned Armour’s candidacy for this Friday’s Law Association presidential election.
“In this particular matter which is the root of Section 34 the prime minister doth protest too much,” Rowley said.
He made the statement as the start of a People’s National Movement (PNM) walkabout in Brazil, East Trinidad, yesterday.
Rowley yesterday defended Al-Rawi amid calls by Persad-Bissessar for Al-Rawi to be removed as an Opposition Senator and the PNM’s candidate for San Fernando West in the upcoming general election.
He described Al-Rawi as a “most excellent candidate”.
Rowley said Persad-Bissessar was seeking to distract the nation.
“Trinidad and Tobago’s Prime Minister is following instructions from public relations handlers and they have obviously instructed her to attack me and Faris and she is trying to run away from the issues that she has to be held accountable for,” Rowley said.
“I am not interested in the prime minister’s personal interpretations in these matters. There are authorities and there are advisers, what we are seeing here is the prime minister being her normal self, for a while she was advised by advisors now we are seeing the real Kamla Persad-Bissessar who is terrified that she is in danger of losing office and she is now setting out not to account for her stewardship,” he said
Rowley said the PNM will not be distracted.
“The PNM’s position is very simple we have monitored this government, we have reported on this government and in this election campaign we will hold this government accountable for what it has done and not done as we put forward our own proposals going forward. That is the campaign,” Rowley said.
“This government will have to account for what it has done and it’s offering us more of the same, the same bitter medicine and to do that the population has to be distracted and the PNM will ensure that that strategy does not succeed”.
“She is going after anything that she thinks can help her cause. We have selected our candidate, we are competing for votes in San Fernando West and we are relying on all the right-thinking, decent citizens in San Fernando West who are in the vast majority. The prime minister is relying on the banality of trying to change the conversation and revising history. Faris Al Rawi is the most excellent candidate and the prime minister’s ruminations will not change that,” he said.
Post by: Socapro on March 18, 2015, 12:53:27 PM
PM protests too much (http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-03-18/pm-protests-too-much)
By Rachael Espinet (T&T Guardian)
Published: Wednesday, March 18, 2015
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PNM leader Dr Keith Rowley greets a resident during a walkabout in the La Horquette/Talparo constituency yesterday. Photo: SHIRLEY BAHADUR
“The Prime Minister doth protest too much.”
These were the words of Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley yesterday in response to Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar’s call to remove Opposition senator Faris Al-Rawi.
“She is going after anything that she thinks can help her cause. We have selected our candidate, we are competing for votes in San Fernando West and we are relying on all the right thinking, decent citizens in San Fernando West who are in the vast majority,” Rowley said during a walkabout along the Talparo Main Road in the La Horquetta/Talparo constituency with candidate Maxie Cuffy.
“The Prime Minister is relying on the banality of trying to change the conversation and revising history. Faris Al-Rawi is the most excellent candidate and the Prime Minister’s ruminations will not change that.
During the UNC’s Monday Night forum, the PM called for Rowley to remove Al-Rawi as both a senator and candidate for the San Fernando West seat over a conflict of interest issue which arose in the Senate last week.
But Rowley said the Prime Minister’s “attack” on Al-Rawi was her simply following orders from her public relations team.
“Trinidad and Tobago’s Prime Minister is following instructions from public relations handlers, and they have obviously instructed her to attack me and Faris, and she is trying to run away from the issues that she has to be held accountable for,” he said.
He said the PM’s attack was out of panic that she may lose the upcoming general elections and her statements reveal her true nature.
“I am not interested in the Prime Minister’s personal interpretations in these matters,” he said.
Rowley said in time the People’s Partnership Government will have to account for their actions and he will be sure to hold them to it.
“This Government will have to account for what it has done and it’s offering us more of the same, the same bitter medicine and to do that the population has to be distracted and the PNM will ensure that that strategy does not succeed,” he said.
Asked about the comment the Prime Minister made regarding Reginald Armour contesting the presidency of the Law Association, Rowley said, “The Prime Minister in this particular matter, which is the root of Section 34, the Prime Minister doth protest too much.”
Post by: Sando prince on March 18, 2015, 08:11:47 PM
:rotfl: :rotfl: Political Picong now start and I doh think Kamla ready
http://www.tv6tnt.com/home/rotator/-No-more-advice-wanted-from-pm-says-rowley---296818751.html (http://www.tv6tnt.com/home/rotator/-No-more-advice-wanted-from-pm-says-rowley---296818751.html)
Post by: asylumseeker on March 19, 2015, 12:40:03 PM
There might be a more reasoned manner in which to respond to the matter ... one that neither invokes comment by Messrs. Rowley nor Al-Rawi. Al-Rawi's political capital is solid currency. Why even bring it into the equation? He's an excellent candidate. If there was a "faux pas" regarding Arcelor Mittal, address that directly through a separate channel. Strikes me as an opportunity to elevate the manner in which politics and political discourse are conducted. Not as expedient as the present path, but might be beneficial in the long run. After all, words spouted on today's political platform create an avenue for being tossed at the utterer tomorrow/down the road.
Post by: Sando prince on March 19, 2015, 10:16:35 PM
Good choice in choosing Mr Forde for Tunapuna he is a hard worker and well known in his constituency and I believe he will win the seat.
http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-Donna-cox-is-out---296967691.html (http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-Donna-cox-is-out---296967691.html)
Post by: Sando prince on March 21, 2015, 09:06:54 AM
I see a double standard in this whole cat and dog issue the media seem to be focused on
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=901116143244405&set=o.589751457757045&type=2&theater
edit: I just see this one :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1556775687930515 (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1556775687930515)
Post by: lefty on March 21, 2015, 04:29:42 PM
Post by: Bourbon on March 21, 2015, 07:56:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/87poFksvHNY&feature=youtu.be
Or this:
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Anyhow....while people studying what they heard or think they heard or what was meant or what was meant....study this: (http://www.ctntworld.com/cnews2/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=14399:2b-more-to-complete-san-fernando-point-fortin-highway&catid=137&Itemid=707)
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A further $2 billion plus is needed to complete the San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway.
As it stands, the project is 57% completed.
This was revealed by the Works and Infrastructure Minister, Dr. Surujrattan Rambachan, when the House of Representatives met on Friday.
Responding to a Question from Point Fortin MP Paula Gopee-Scoon, Minister Rambachan said the Point Fortin Highway will be completed and remains a priority project of the Government.
This, in light of the need for further financing to complete this mega project.
"It's now closer to 50% of the work that has been completed. The Member for Point Fortin was also a member of the Government I believe when the cost estimates for this project were done and she should have been fully aware that the total price for the project was $7.5 billion. Not for the construction of the highway. The construction of the highway cost is $5.2 billion. Thus far, the contractor has been paid $2,464,735,507.00."
The Minister said additional financing will be needed to pay the contractors of the project.
"The project still has to receive $2.4 billion overall. $5.1 billion has been received and the difference between the amount that has been paid out on the project and the amount received is due to monies paid for the advanced payment, construction oversight, acquisitions, community outreach, management fees, construction contingencies and finance charges."
Minister Rambachan also added that while financing is still to be sourced to complete this highway, the highway from San Fernando to Mayaro will go ahead as planned and should commence in two months' time.
Post by: Socapro on March 22, 2015, 09:44:25 AM
when yuh smell shit....check your draws first:thumbsup:
Post by: Socapro on March 22, 2015, 05:21:48 PM
If/when that happens it will be little thanks to people like Sat, thats for sure.
A case of race in the 2015 general election (http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-03-22/case-race-2015-general-election)
By Reshma Ragoonath (T&T Guardian)
Published: Sunday, March 15, 2015
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Satnarayan Maharaj
T&T must confront the racial divide if it is to move forward as a society. However, that confrontation will not take place before the 2015 general election, as race will once again be a significant factor in the polls, said UWI professor and noted historian Dr Brinsley Samaroo. Speaking with the Sunday Guardian about the contentious issue, Samaroo contended that there would be a continuance of tribal voting in 2015 since that was what citizens had been taught and that was all they knew.
“I am sure we can change positively, but in the interim, for the next election, my own view is it will be fought very much along ethnic lines with very few cases of crossovers. As we say in local parlance ‘who have more corn will feed more fowl.’ “The bottom line is I do not see in the next election any change in the ethnic pattern of voting, very unfortunately, very sadly.”
Race has been in the spotlight over the last two weeks. Firstly, it was raised when a firestorm erupted on social media over a photo of a National Gas Company sign advertising the refurbishment of the East Indian Recreation Ground in south Trinidad. The issue escalated last week with the publication of a racist rant from Chaguaramas Development Authority (CDA) board member Jaishima Leladharsingh on Facebook last year. He was immediately fired when the racist posts resurfaced on social media.
Samaroo contended that even though citizens might challenge racial issues, at the end of the day, when they went into the voting booth in 2015, people would not look at what parties had to offer by way of education, health, or diversification of the economy. “Most people are not concerned about that, they are concerned about me and my kind. I and I have to take political control. I say sadly, as blessed a nation that it is and as much as we love it, going into the next election (T&T will) basically be voting on ethnic lines,” Samaroo said.
‘The elites don’t want change...we need a unifying leader’
Samaroo said though he did not believe any of the present politicians deliberately wanted to continue this ethnic trend of politics or foster racism, neither did he believe that any one of the current cadre of politicians “has the larger vision and the capability to do something about that (ethnic voting) in their political tenure.” He said, historically, the masses were brought up in a status quo of divide and rule which had been entrenched by colonial masters. This, he said, continued today and was unlikely to change soon.
“The elites are the ones who like it so and there are those elites who have the political power, the economic power and so on. And if you are prospering in a system then why should it be changed? That is why the elites do not want any change,” Samaroo said. “So we are in a real dilemma and all I can say is, I wish the country well for the next election.” He said in 1937 the races in T&T came together under the guidance of Uriah “Buzz” Butler and Adrian Cola Rienzi during the “Oilfield riots” and that was a “watershed moment” in this country’s history.
Samaroo said he was hopeful that T&T could recreate that unification of the races. “We certainly can and my hope is that we do. I would really like to see people brought together, not as Africans and Indians but as members of the working class, as members of the professional class, as members of the ruling elite crossing those ethnic lines and really working together to build the nation,” he said.
However, he said, the trade union did not have the kind of leadership Butler and Rienzi provided. “We do not have such big men, such great men who provided a fantastic vision for T&T. Sadly, we do not have trade union leaders who have the vision, the capacity, the charisma of either Butler or Rienzi to bring the ethnicities together on a working class basis.” Samaroo said the only way to get rid of the “ethnic bogey” was through constitutional reform that truly incorporated aspects of governance from the various ethnicities present in T&T.
Kambon—Citizens must want change, voices of reason must emerge
Chairman of the Emancipation Support Committee, Kafra Kambon, also contended that the 2015 general election would be one fought on the basis of race. However, he suggested, citizens must want to make a change in society and voices of reason must emerge to reverse the trend of tribal voting. “We have a tendency to perceive things through a racial lens and examine through that and focus on that and it (tribal voting) is going to happen. I do not know what voices of moderation can come into play to prevent [race] from escalating because it is a big challenge,” Kambon said.
He said T&T had not moved past race because the issue had never been addressed with the required seriousness. “We have not done that and we have not done anything institutionally as well to ensure that other generations grow up in a different environment. Therefore, it is always dependent on the goodwill of some persons who have some influence to maintain things in some kind of balance.” Race, Kambon contended, has to be institutionally addressed.
“We do not really give thought to that. Individuals who hold public office are also too careless in terms of how they deal with issues of race,” he said. Society can only be harmonised, he said, through “unity in diversity.” “We have the cultural background for that, but we are not drawing on it and making use of those elements in our cultural background that will bring about a greater harmony. We prefer not to discuss it, and pretend that it is not a factor in how the society functions, and then practise it,” he said.
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Sat Maharaj: Expect a bruising campaign based on performance and personalities
Satnarayan Maharaj, head of the Sanatan Dharma Maha Sabha, agrees with Samaroo that race will play a part in the general election, but he believes that most citizens have matured beyond ethnic voting. In recent times, there have been people migrating over racial lines when it comes to voting and we saw that move when the COP (Congress of the People) emerged during the Basdeo Panday era. So that in a mixed society such as T&T race should be discussed openly and without any animosity and we will live happily ever after,” Maharaj said.
He said T&T’s citizens had a more elevated way of thinking and he believed that “there will be movement across the racial barrier” in 2015. “ I think the politicians have managed to shift the issues away from race to performance and vision. I think we have come a long way, we have matured,” he said. Maharaj said he expected the 2015 general election campaign to be a “bruising campaign.”
However, “I do not think race will play an important part in the campaign itself. But I believe it will be a bruising campaign when it comes to performance and the personalities involved,” Maharaj added.
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By Rachael Espinet (T&T Guardian)
Published: Monday, March 23, 2015
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Former attorney general Ramesh Lawrence Maharaj
Former attorney general Ramesh Lawrence Maharaj is calling on Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar to apologise to hundreds detained during the November 2011 state of emergency. And he wants that apology before the upcoming general elections. Maharaj said this at a press conference at his Irving Street, San Fernando office yesterday.
A legal claim against the state was already filed in the San Fernando High Court by Police Inspector Earl Elie, who is seeking punitive damages for being detained for 13 days during the state of emergency, said Lawrence, who is representing Elie in the matter. The government should apologise to Inspector Earl Elie and all the people detained under the emergency regulations and emergency powers and all the people who were detained under the Anti Gang Act, who had to be freed because there was no evidence, Maharaj said.
“There should be at least an apology from the Government to these people and their families. As a lawyer I intend to prosecute this claim in the High Court and if necessary in the Court of Appeal, and if necessary in the Final Court of Appeal for Trinidad and Tobago, because it is my view as a lawyer that not only was an injustice done to Earl Elie but an injustice was done to the people and the constitution of Trinidad and Tobago,” he said.
On August 23, 2011, Persad-Bissessar announced that the National Security Council and Cabinet agreed to have a state of emergency declared. “The question which arises in the claim filed by police inspector Earl Elie is whether the alleged public state of emergency which the government said was in existence to declare the state of emergency in 2011 threatened the life of the nation,” Maharaj said.
Elie was detained under the premise that he was a suspect in a plot to assassinate the Prime Minster and then attorney general Anand Ramlogan. But Maharaj said a state of emergency can only be constitutionally called if there was an “exceptional situation of crisis of public danger which affects the whole population and which constitutes a threat for the organised life of the country.”
“A public emergency in law means more than a threat to some people, it means disorder or violence which is so extensive and so serious as to threaten the guardians of public safety, namely civil government and police, or damage their ability to guard the public safety,” he said. “If a Cabinet could ‘willy-nilly’ cause a state of emergency to be declared, then Trinidad and Tobago can have a state of emergency created on a regular basis.”
Detention timeline
Following is the timeline of events detailed in a statement made yesterday by Lawrence. Elie was on duty at the St Clair Police Station on November 23, when he was arrested and taken to the Woodbrook Police Station, where he was told he was being detained under the Emergency Regulations. He was a sergeant at the time. He was taken to his home, which was searched for illegal firearms. Nothing illegal was found.
Elie was given a detention order, which stated that he was detained on the grounds that he was named as a person involved in a conspiracy to assassinate the Prime Minister, the Attorney General and two other government ministers on November 24, 2011. Maharaj said Elie was interviewed about those allegations during an interview on November 24. On December 5, 2011, 13 days after he was first detained, Elie was released from custody.
Post by: Sando prince on March 23, 2015, 08:42:31 PM
SMH! Journalists getting attacked in this election too :(
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Govt-backers-attacking-women-journalists-297322071.html
Post by: Bourbon on March 24, 2015, 04:52:11 AM
SMH! Journalists getting attacked in this election too :(
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Govt-backers-attacking-women-journalists-297322071.html
Classy.
Post by: Deeks on March 24, 2015, 05:41:15 AM
very ironic statement coming from him. He is a member of the socalled elite
Post by: asylumseeker on March 24, 2015, 06:59:27 AM
SMH! Journalists getting attacked in this election too :(
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Govt-backers-attacking-women-journalists-297322071.html
Absolutely abhorrent.
Post by: Sando prince on March 25, 2015, 03:42:38 PM
Well PNM walked out Parliament today :) :beermug:
Colm Imbert said;
"This motion is frivolous and vexatious
This motion is childish
This motion has no basis
This motion has no purpose
This motion is empty
It is vacuous
It is tenuous
It is absurd
And Mr Speaker,
I am NOT staying in this parliament to continue this foolish debate
I am leaving NOW-we are getting out of here
You could say what you want-Whatever you have to say
Whatever you have to say
Say it outside
Mr Speaker,
If you name man, if you name man- come outside don’t stay inside
Bunch of cowards- I gone from here…"
Post by: Socapro on March 25, 2015, 04:53:26 PM
Election Sketch
Monday night fo’ Rum (http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-03-25/monday-night-fo%E2%80%99-rum)
By BC Pires (T&T Guardian)
Published: Wednesday, March 25, 2015
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UNC supporters display placards during the party's Monday Night Forum at Debe Junction.
Photo: RISHI RAGOONATH
Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar entered her, or at least the UNC’s, hometown of Debe, in an entirely different set of the empress’ new clothes. The Keith Rowley-and-Faris Al-Rawi-bashing outfit from earlier this month vanished, replaced by a more statesmanlike Kamla P-B.
Mrs P-B’s actual voice also changed to match, mixing the Standard English that working class voters admire so much in their superiors and the dialect in which they must be addressed if they are to feel connected. Mrs Persad-Bissessar’s predecessor, Basdeo Panday, the best exponent of the art, segued from Oxbridge to cow-pen seamlessly. On Monday night, the kinder, gentler, more-prime-ministerial-than-Keith Rowley Mrs P-B switched from the Queen’s English accent befitting Queen’s Counsel to something closer to local dialect. “Man could born and die in 35 years” she called out, “but them never build a single hospital in all that time.” Sadly, it is difficult for someone who naturally speaks as well as the Prime Minister to speak badly at short notice, but she tried gamely – even if Keith Rowley or, indeed, anyone else, would have said, “Man could born and dead in 35 years.”
The attempt to straddle both linguistic worlds sometimes resulted in oratorical bumps between the caring, statesmanlike Kamla and the bragging, look-how-much-we-did-for-you Kamla. “Healthcare is important,” she declared, “because, if you’re not alive, you can’t enjoy the road or the university or the nursing academy we built!” The listener, at that point, could be forgiven for recalling supermodel Brooke Shields’ observation that, “Smoking kills. If you’re killed, you’ve lost a very important part of your life.”
At what might have been the night’s most crucial moment, though, the packaging of the new Kamla seemed more like repackaging: specifically, the recasting of former Prime Minister Patrick Manning’s pet Waterfront Project in Port of Spain into what she hoped might be taken as a new UNC idea – to have a Waterfront Project in San Fernando. The waterfront project – the San Fernando/UNC one – would, the PM insisted, bring “bottom line, bottom dollar, money in your pockets as you get jobs.”
“I see,” went on the PM, before correcting herself to “statesmanlike” mode and declaring, “My vision for Trinidad & Tobago” included the Chaguaramus boardwalk and the National Cycling Velodrome. Both projects, she said, were “first class, world class,” which sounded a bit too much like Patrick Manning for perhaps even Patrick Manning’s own comfort.
The night’s big selling point, though, was less about world-class attractions than local house-and-land dispersals. Under the Act she helped to pass in 1988, the PNM gave out fewer than 1,000 certificates of comfort to people illegally occupying land. The UNC, she boasted, has given out 7,000 in the last five years alone, with more to come, if the electorate should only be discerning/house hungry enough to reelect the UNC.
In her closest sally at wit, Mrs P-B declared that the PNM wanted the UNC to cut public spending but “won’t tell us what to cut. Maybe they have some barbers in that party.” The UNC simply will not cut jobs or the social safety net – perhaps an implication that the necessary cuts might come in contracting out less state work at lower prices to friends of the party, making the night’s biggest untruth also its only unspoken one. The “prophets of doom and gloom” she declared (channelling her inner George Chambers), were clamouring that the oil price was dropping and the country going bankrupt but, “in the first quarter of 2015, we have a surplus of revenue.”
The Prime Minister then fixed the camera firmly in the eye and avowed that a surplus “doesn’t mean you run out there and spend all your money” – the posh, sophisticated packaging of the old Trinidadian adage that “Indian money might run low but it doesn’t run out.”
Abruptly, Mrs P-B declared it was getting “little late” and everybody should get home safely, but even she appeared to be surprised by her sudden ending of the night’s proceedings: she almost forgot to play her high cards, one of which was a promised “Marlene-gate,” a reference presumed to be to PNM MP Marlene McDonald, and the other of which earned her a genuine Bravo; specifically, Dwayne, the T&T and West Indies cricketer dropped from the team for leading the Indian Tour Mutiny, a friend of new Sports Minister and old Soca Warrior, Brent Sancho.
The last, perhaps most memorable image of the night was Bravo (wearing a bright blue long-sleeved button-down shirt, not a yellow T-) clasped in a big hug.
Perhaps Mrs P-B could be forgiven for hoping that the connection between them does not reveal itself to be that they should both, at the end of a strongly, indeed bitterly, fought campaign, lose their jobs.
Post by: Bourbon on March 25, 2015, 05:08:42 PM
Post by: Socapro on March 25, 2015, 05:38:12 PM
http://www.tv6tnt.com/news/PM-Supporters-297567081.html?m=y&smobile=y
I am now starting to understand how the current government won the last elections in 2010. A lot of knuckleheads now reside in T&T who don't have much of a political education and who will give their votes for crumbs or a yellow t-shirt.
Post by: Bourbon on March 26, 2015, 06:31:55 AM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Rowley-a-child-of-rape-297607381.html
‘Rowley a child of rape’
Alleyne-Toppin sees cause for ‘aggressive behaviour, arrogance’
By Kim Boodram kim.boodram@trinidadexpress.com
Story Created: Mar 25, 2015 at 11:08 PM ECT
Story Updated: Mar 25, 2015 at 11:08 PM ECT
In Parliament
TOBAGO East MP Vernella Alleyne-Toppin yesterday suggested Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley was born as a result of rape and that these circumstances have made him “aggressive” and “arrogant”.
Any members of the public gallery who might have started to doze off yesterday afternoon at Parliament at the International Waterfront Centre, Port of Spain, were shocked into alertness when Alleyne-Toppin told the house of a story, related to her by “an old man in Mason Hall”, Tobago, which spoke of the rape of a young girl and the resultant offspring, who was now an aspiring leader.
Alleyne-Toppin, contributing during debate on the Government’s no-confidence motion against Rowley after the Opposition MPs had already staged a walkout on the debate, said she knew Rowley as a child, being both from Tobago and their “navel strings” being buried close to each other.
Having prefaced her story with the remarks that “the circumstances of one’s birth” and “the sum of experiences” are “what makes the man”, Alleyne-Toppin said:
“One day in Mason Hall, Tobago, Mr Speaker, look at the nexus.
“One day a young girl went to take lunch for her father in a coalspit. When she got there, her father had gone to change his cow. It’s a true story. She, however, met her father’s best friend and co-worker, alone in the coalspit.
“This young girl was then raped by her father’s best friend. The product today is the aspirant to lofty office.”
Alleyne-Toppin continued: “Mr Speaker, can you imagine this mother carrying this pain and shame for nine months and the impact it had on the unborn child?”
Alleyne-Toppin said she was “not a psychologist” but that a glimpse could now be offered into why a man could be today the sum of his experiences.
“I can offer you Barabas or I can offer you Christ,” Alleyne-Toppin said.
She then said she could offer the “excellent qualities embodied in the MP for Siparia and the Prime Minister” and not the “dubious” and “dangerous” qualities of the MP for Diego Martin West, Rowley.
Alleyne-Toppin had, before telling the tale that dropped jaws in the house, accused Rowley, the leader of the People’s National Movement (PNM), of being part of a plot to frame her and derail her “fledgling” political career.
She was referring to the scandal of 2012, when she stood accused of abusing her Government-issued credit card by purchasing items not approved in the terms of use and by not reimbursing the state.
Alleyne-Toppin repeated part of her defence then, when she pleaded ignorance of some of the terms of use and yesterday she claimed to have been the victim of a conspiracy by “senior PNM operatives within the Ministry of Tobago Affairs”.
The Tobago East MP said she was told by the permanent secretary of one ministry that the PS of another ministry was part of the plot and that her (Alleyne-Toppin’s) submission to pay off her State credit card bills had been hidden so as to delay the payment.
The details of the billings, which Alleyne-Toppin said she saw for the first time when the story appeared in the Express, were then passed on to Rowley, she claimed.
Rowley, whom she called a “malignant narcissist”, boasted of having gotten her fired, Alleyne-Topping lamented, and he also set her up as a fraudster in the international scene.
Alleyne-Toppin, who said she spent “42 days” appearing in the Express in relation to the credit card mess, also said a Barbados-based lawyer had held an entire class at the Cave Hill campus of The University of the West Indies on her case and entitled it “White collar crime”.
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Post by: Richard G. on March 26, 2015, 11:06:59 AM
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Post by: Sando prince on March 26, 2015, 12:12:33 PM
Very disgraceful from Vernella Alleyne-Toppin.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Moore-Nothing-good-can-come-of-this-297667191.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Moore-Nothing-good-can-come-of-this-297667191.html)
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It is a bleak day when a woman rises in the National parliament to shame another woman and her family, but it borders on psychotic when that woman and her family are the alleged victims and product of sexual abuse. Nothing good can come of this.
Post by: Peong on March 26, 2015, 12:22:01 PM
Any response from the good PM as yet?
Post by: Bourbon on March 26, 2015, 12:39:59 PM
wtf wrong with this woman?
Any response from the good PM as yet?
She was right in Parliament when she say it..she eh stop she..neither did the speaker. I think thats response enough.
Anyhow...In the "dey take we fuh ass category"
View this:
http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-Parliament-Protest-5407---297607251.html
Then read this:
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/CEPEP-boss-Nobody-sent-them-297655971.html
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CEPEP boss: Nobody sent them
By Carolyn Kissoon Multimedia Desk
Story Created: Mar 26, 2015 at 10:58 AM ECT
Story Updated: Mar 26, 2015 at 11:01 AM ECT
Community-Based Environmental Protection and Enhancement Programme (CEPEP) chairman, Adesh Deonarine, yesterday denied that CEPEP workers were instructed to wear yellow jerseys
and taken to the International Waterfront Centre, Port of Spain, as a show of support to Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar.
Deonarine said he was startled by statements that CEPEP workers were told to report for duty outside the Parliament.
And he insisted that no contractor was asked to rally workers in support of the United National Congress (UNC).
UNC supporters arrived in maxi taxis outside the Parliament on Wednesday in support of the debate on a motion of no
confidence in Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley.
But many people had no clue what was going on. And some even revealed that they were instructed by their "bosses" to go
to the Parliament in the maxi taxis provided for them.
The TV6 News interviewed supporters outside the Parliament on Wednesday. A Barrackpore woman said she was there to
support her Prime Minister. Asked whether she was aware of what was being debated in the Parliament, she replied, "No."
A man, holding a placard, said, "I here to support the Minister. I from URP office region two."
Asked if he was aware of the debate, the man responded, "Not really." He said he was representing his manager from the URP office.
Another woman said she was a URP worker and her employers were "nice people". She too was not aware of what was being debated in Parliament.
Deonarine said in a telephone interview yesterday, "I was just as surprised when I heard those statements. As far as I am aware there were no instructions to contractors. As far as I know all work went on yesterday as normal. So they either did that on their own time which is their right as a citizen of this country. That is up to them. They feel proud to say they are CEPEP workers when under the PNM Government they were hiding."
Deonarine said CEPEP never organised or paid for transportation for workers to be taken to Port-of-Spain.
"I don't know of any instructions. I never organised or paid for any transport. I was not part of any instruction to go to support anybody," he said.
Post by: asylumseeker on March 26, 2015, 01:04:23 PM
Post by: Socapro on March 26, 2015, 01:57:05 PM
This was all done with the consent of the Speaker and the PM who could have all stopped Vernella Alleyne-Toppin at anytime when she was crossing the line but allowed her to carry on in the desperate hope to soil Dr Rowley's good name and reputation.
Post by: Richard G. on March 26, 2015, 01:58:53 PM
SECRETARIAT OF THE MINISTER OF STATE
Ministry of The People and Social Development
39-43 St. Vincent Street, Port of Spain, Trinidad W.I.
PBX: 623-2608 Ext 5411 Fax: 623-8496
Email: seniorsecretarymopsd@gmail.com
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
MINISTER in the Ministry of the People and Social Development, Vernella Alleyne-Toppin is today apologising to the citizens of Trinidad & Tobago for parts of her statements made in Parliament on Wednesday.
During her contribution to the motion of no confidence debate on the Leader of the Opposition, Dr Keith Rowley, Toppin related a story of a young girl who was sexually assaulted many years ago in Tobago.
In a statement issued Thursday, Toppin said: “I unreservedly apologise to everyone who felt uncomfortable or outraged because of parts of the statement I made in Parliament. At no time was I intending to cause pain or suffering, or to cause people to reopen old wounds of trauma they may have at some time experienced.”
Toppin stated: “I do, however, hold firmly to the view that incidents such as these, happening in our own country, must never be swept under the carpet. As difficult as it is, these are conversations we must be having as a people, if we are to protect young girls from experiencing this kind of horrific violation.”
The Minister also stated: “And while I apologise from the heart to anyone who felt hurt by my statements, I intend to stand my ground and will insist that questions that have been asked of the Leader of the Opposition must be answered. Anyone who seeks to hold the top office of Prime Minister must not have such questions that are unanswered, as it questions the depth of character and the emotional intelligence that will influence this person’s decisions that will impact on 1.3 million people.”
Minister Toppin reminded: “Questions that Dr Rowley must answer include the paternity of a young man who was the product of a relationship out of wedlock. Questions include whether Dr Rowley is the grandfather of one, or in fact two young children.”
“Questions include whether Dr Rowley knows of any school teacher who was a tenant in Charlotteville? Was he a tenant? Was he boarding (getting meals) by Ms Gray? Was Ms Gray sending her niece to drop meals?”
“I will not allow Dr Rowley to use public outrage to hide from the duty he has to answer these questions and put deep and frightening suspicions to rest once and for all,” Toppin said.
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Post by: Socapro on March 26, 2015, 02:06:11 PM
:cursing: ??? :frustrated: :pissedoff: :banginghead:
SECRETARIAT OF THE MINISTER OF STATE
Ministry of The People and Social Development
39-43 St. Vincent Street, Port of Spain, Trinidad W.I.
PBX: 623-2608 Ext 5411 Fax: 623-8496
Email: seniorsecretarymopsd@gmail.com
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
MINISTER in the Ministry of the People and Social Development, Vernella Alleyne-Toppin is today apologising to the citizens of Trinidad & Tobago for parts of her statements made in Parliament on Wednesday.
During her contribution to the motion of no confidence debate on the Leader of the Opposition, Dr Keith Rowley, Toppin related a story of a young girl who was sexually assaulted many years ago in Tobago.
In a statement issued Thursday, Toppin said: “I unreservedly apologise to everyone who felt uncomfortable or outraged because of parts of the statement I made in Parliament. At no time was I intending to cause pain or suffering, or to cause people to reopen old wounds of trauma they may have at some time experienced.”
Toppin stated: “I do, however, hold firmly to the view that incidents such as these, happening in our own country, must never be swept under the carpet. As difficult as it is, these are conversations we must be having as a people, if we are to protect young girls from experiencing this kind of horrific violation.”
The Minister also stated: “And while I apologise from the heart to anyone who felt hurt by my statements, I intend to stand my ground and will insist that questions that have been asked of the Leader of the Opposition must be answered. Anyone who seeks to hold the top office of Prime Minister must not have such questions that are unanswered, as it questions the depth of character and the emotional intelligence that will influence this person’s decisions that will impact on 1.3 million people.”
Minister Toppin reminded: “Questions that Dr Rowley must answer include the paternity of a young man who was the product of a relationship out of wedlock. Questions include whether Dr Rowley is the grandfather of one, or in fact two young children.”
“Questions include whether Dr Rowley knows of any school teacher who was a tenant in Charlotteville? Was he a tenant? Was he boarding (getting meals) by Ms Gray? Was Ms Gray sending her niece to drop meals?”
“I will not allow Dr Rowley to use public outrage to hide from the duty he has to answer these questions and put deep and frightening suspicions to rest once and for all,” Toppin said.
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Is this meant to be an apology? I think the only acceptable thing right now is an apology from the PM for condoning it and also immediate resignation by Vernella Alleyne-Toppin for abuse of parliamentary privilege that cause embarrassment and pain to many people in the country.
Post by: Bourbon on March 26, 2015, 02:17:26 PM
I followed this vile presentation live yesterday in parliament by Tobago East MP Vernella Alleyne-Toppin at this link (http://gisltd.tt/tv-4) and I saw the PM lap up her presentation and even shake her hand right after Vernella Alleyne-Toppin completed her presentation.
This was all done with the consent of the Speaker and the PM who could have all stopped Vernella Alleyne-Toppin at anytime when she was crossing the line but allowed her to carry on in the desperate hope to soil Dr Rowley's good name and reputation.
You studying dem...that was their trump card. Long time now their minions like PEA and dem trying to bring up that. They go throw her under the bus now with releases and ting now like they had nothing to do with it.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Vernella-expected-to-respond-to-rape-talk-today-297686621.html
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ommunications Minister Vasant Bharath said members of Cabinet met on Monday to discuss the debate on the motion of no confidence in Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley.
The context of members’ contribution, however, were not vetted by the caucus.
Now if you wanted and as her subsequent statement tries to claim bring something that they saw as important (which also might very well be a personal vendetta, as her statement could lead one to assume)...why bring his mother into it?
Post by: Socapro on March 26, 2015, 02:30:41 PM
I followed this vile presentation live yesterday in parliament by Tobago East MP Vernella Alleyne-Toppin at this link (http://gisltd.tt/tv-4) and I saw the PM lap up her presentation and even shake her hand right after Vernella Alleyne-Toppin completed her presentation.
This was all done with the consent of the Speaker and the PM who could have all stopped Vernella Alleyne-Toppin at anytime when she was crossing the line but allowed her to carry on in the desperate hope to soil Dr Rowley's good name and reputation.
You studying dem...that was their trump card. Long time now their minions like PEA and dem trying to bring up that. They go throw her under the bus now with releases and ting now like they had nothing to do with it.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Vernella-expected-to-respond-to-rape-talk-today-297686621.htmlQuoteommunications Minister Vasant Bharath said members of Cabinet met on Monday to discuss the debate on the motion of no confidence in Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley.
The context of members’ contribution, however, were not vetted by the caucus.
Now if you wanted and as her subsequent statement tries to claim bring something that they saw as important (which also might very well be a personal vendetta, as her statement could lead one to assume)...why bring his mother into it?
That MP Vernella Alleyne-Toppin is what you could term the typical Negro house slave. Imagine they are using a Tobagonian to try to bring down a fellow Tobagonian and she fell for it. She is not only a disgrace to Tobagonians but to the African race as a whole.
Why allow your aspiring new slave masters to get you to do their dirty work for them?
Post by: Brownsugar on March 26, 2015, 05:45:49 PM
sancho's good people.............
Ent lefty??!!! After I done cuss Shopping Toppin, ah keep going back to how de arse Brent ups and involve heself with these vermin??!!!
:puking: :puking:
Post by: Sando prince on March 26, 2015, 05:47:28 PM
Post by: Socapro on March 26, 2015, 06:46:46 PM
Socapro her being African and where in T&T she is from is not important in this issue. What is most important is ANOTHER Government Minister disgracing public office and yet to be fired. Worse she is a Minister of Social Development and using rhetoric that is disrespecting to women who are rape victims. how ironic! smh
Well it’s also an important issue to me and to many others as well who are African conscious even though it may not be that important to you. I see this as a classic case of the house Negro being used by their new slave master to try to destroy another African person.
Also keep in mind that many of us who are descendants of previously enslaved Africans were also a product of surviving rape of our female foreparents and still being able to overcome and rise as a family.
Post by: MEP on March 26, 2015, 07:32:37 PM
With regards to certain "people" in the UNC they have never respected the country they have always had an antitrinbago attitude and have constantly sought to point out how they are being discriminated against. Basdeo Panday knew it was the risk he had to run to attain power but even he didn't know what levels they would sink to. He has/had always maintained a high level of respect for the highest office and the various arms of gov't but these vile, pernicious miscreants who know no level of decency will continue to do only what they know. The worse is yet to come.
Post by: weary1969 on March 26, 2015, 08:13:47 PM
Parliamentary privilege is a hell of a thing yes......
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Post by: weary1969 on March 26, 2015, 08:14:46 PM
sancho's good people.............
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Post by: weary1969 on March 26, 2015, 08:25:24 PM
Vernella Alleyne-Toppin is nothing more than a lap dog and she has proven so this week...her masters started to shout a like a good puppy she started yapping too. She will never ever be able to live in Tobago again.
With regards to certain "people" in the UNC they have never respected the country they have always had an antitrinbago attitude and have constantly sought to point out how they are being discriminated against. Basdeo Panday knew it was the risk he had to run to attain power but even he didn't know what levels they would sink to. He has/had always maintained a high level of respect for the highest office and the various arms of gov't but these vile, pernicious miscreants who know no level of decency will continue to do only what they know. The worse is yet to come.
The worse is really yet to come. We thought Monday night stink mouth was bad by Wednesday we hear that rape victims are angry during pregnancy and make bombastic children. Stay Tune my people the longer she take to take the date out her bra the better they will look.
Post by: weary1969 on March 26, 2015, 09:44:42 PM
By Ria Taitt
A tissue of horrendous lies!
This is how Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley yesterday dismissed Vernella Alleyne-Toppin’s claim he was the product of a rape.
“My father raping my mother in Mason Hall. Jesus Christ! Call anybody in Mason Hall and ask them if they have ever heard such a thing,” Rowley said.
He said he was hurt a motion of no confidence was used to slander his dead father and his dead mother in the Parliament of Trinidad and Tobago.
“I have an eight-year-old granddaughter. I just had a grandson. And they are now being told that their grandfather and their great-grandfather were rapists,” he said.
“They (the Government) have to examine my dead father and dead mother to determine my fitness for office? This is real hurtful,” he said.
“I have seen my mother and father going to fete. And you coming to tell me about rape?” he asked rhetorically.
Rowley said his mother, Agatha Vassie Rowley, left him when he was one year old with his grandfather and came to work in Trinidad with Audrey Jeffers. “My mother was a well-known cook in the Breakfast Shed. She lived a decent, hard-working life.”
Rowley said his father, Carlton Joseph, eventually married another woman who helped to raise him. “The only person whose white school shirts she washed was mine because her older children didn’t go to high school”.
Rowley is known as family man who generally liked to shield his family from the glare of public life. He had
previously ignored the persistent innuendoes coming from Alleyne-Toppin and United National Congress (UNC) activity as nonsensical political jabs that no one took seriously.
His son, Garth, prefers the quiet life but keeps in touch with the Row-leys. Garth, who attended Bishop’s High School and lives abroad, attended Rowley’s daughter’s wedding, along with his (Garth’s) daughter. Garth, family sources said, remains in touch with the Rowley family.
PNM Women’s League condemns Vernella Meanwhile the People’s National Movement (PNM) Women’s League yesterday condemned Alleyne-Toppin’s statements.
“Mrs Alleyne-Toppin, in a debasing attack on Dr Keith Rowley, Leader of the Opposition, placed on the Hansard Record an unadulterated and outrageous fabrication, stating, among other gross inaccuracies, that Dr Rowley’s conception was as a result of a rape, thereby accusing Dr Rowley’s deceased father of being a rapist! For Mrs Alleyne-Toppin, however, that was not enough, she went on to label Dr Rowley a kidnapper, paedophile and gang rapist, all fabrications, given life under the cover of parliamentary privilege,” it said.
The Women’s League expressed its deep disappointment this slander was allowed without let or hindrance in the Parliament, resulting in a debasing of the Parliament itself.
“Mrs Alleyne-Toppin’s utterances in the Parliament prove that she is a complete embarrassment to the Parliament, the people of Tobago East, the people of Tobago and the people of Trinidad,” the release stated.
It added: “Mrs Alleyne-Toppin, by claiming that Dr Rowley was the product of a rape and is himself a gang rapist, has perpetrated one of the worst and most disgraceful acts of slander under the guise of Parliamentary privilege, and has crossed all boundaries of propriety.”
The Women’s League recalled Dr Rowley entered public life in 1981 when he ran for Tobago West as a candidate for the PNM when his son was 12 years old at the time, and no such outrageous claims were ever made by anyone.
Post by: Richard G. on March 27, 2015, 04:23:56 AM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/ITS--ALL--LIES-297737551.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/ITS--ALL--LIES-297737551.html)
IT’S ALL LIES
Mother of Rowley’s child on Vernella’s rape claim:
By Ria Taitt Political Editor
Story Created: Mar 26, 2015 at 10:05 PM ECT
Story Updated: Mar 26, 2015 at 10:05 PM ECT
Roselyn Alleyne, the woman who Vernella Alleyne-Toppin alleged was raped 46 years ago by Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley, is “disgusted” and horrified by Alleyne-Toppin’s assertion.
And she cannot understand why people would “fabricate such lies”.
In an exclusive interview with the Express yesterday, Roselyn Alleyne, who is the mother of Garth Alleyne, the 45-year-old son of Rowley, also stated Vernella Alleyne-Toppin is not a relative of hers. “She does not know me. If she sees me anywhere she would not know me. And that should sum up everything,” she said.
Roselyn said she heard about Alleyne-Toppin’s contribution at Wednesday’s debate in the House of Representatives, on the no-confidence motion brought by the Government against Rowley. She said she received texts from Trinidad and Tobago, stating “me and my child were talked about” in Parliament.
“And I asked why? We are happy people. I am here (in Canada) working hard in the cold,” she said. Both Roselyn and her son live in Canada. She has lived there for the past 30 years.
“All of what she is saying on the news, take it from me, it’s all a lie,” Roselyn stated.
Alleyne-Toppin had claimed Roselyn was a pupil of Roxborough Secondary School when she became pregnant by Rowley.
But Roselyn said yesterday, she never attended Roxborough Secondary School. “When I passed Common Entrance, Roxborough wasn’t even constructed,” she said.
Asked whether Rowley ever taught her as Alleyne-Toppin claimed, Roselyn said: “How could he when we are around the same age?” Roselyn said she is 63 years old. (Rowley is 65 years old).
“I am old and hoping to retire soon,” she said. “Don’t listen to these people. Everything that they say is a lie. I have never communicated with these people (Alleyne-Toppin) and I am always home. I go home every year, for a week, two weeks,” she said.
Told the reports were she was 13 or 14 when she became pregnant, Roselyn said:
“Wow!” I think I am being confused with somebody else,” adding she became pregnant when she had already finished school and was at home, helping her mother who used to bake things in order to earn an income to send her younger sibling to school. “As I keep telling you, everything they say is a lie. And they need to stop,” she said.
“I hear she is saying that he raped me for over four hours. That’s disgusting!” Roselyn said. Told Alleyne-Toppin had also stated she was kidnapped, Roselyn exclaimed: “What? Keith has to stop her because that is slandering somebody’s character.
And when she talks like that, she is making me sound like something that I am not. Wow! Kidnapped, raped and dumped,” she said.
Roselyn said in 2013 when her brother died, she returned to Tobago to attend the funeral. She said someone
came around, asking members of her family if she
(Alleyne-Toppin) and they were close, and “they were trying to persuade other family members to get me to sign false documents”.
She said she brushed off the whole event. “I thought that was over. I didn’t know these people still going around with this thing,” she said.
Asked what was the nature of her relationship with Alleyne-Toppin, who claimed to be a relative and therefore to have intimate details of her life,
Roselyn said: “Excuse me?” I am not related to that woman. We are not blood relatives.” She said there were many people with the same last name who were not related.
She said Alleyne-Toppin came to live in Charlotteville after her (Alleyne-Toppin) father moved there. She said it was a small village and everyone knew each other.
“But we never knew them as being related to us because we couldn’t draw any connecting lines between the two families,” she said.
She said when Alleyne-Toppin started elementary school, she (Alleyne-Toppin) and her (Roselyn’s) sister were in the same class and they also attended Bishop’s High School together. But, she maintained Alleyne-Toppin did not know her.
She said she comes home all the time and she never met the minister. She added her youngest daughter, who returned to Trinidad and Tobago after finishing university in Canada, lives here now.
“I realise these people are fishing but they are putting out the wrong bait to a whole country. And when you are fishing for something, you take stories from other people who may fabricate, but you have nothing to back it up,” she said.
Roselyn, who said she had no interest in political matters,
said Alleyne-Toppin was “slandering my name and it needs to stop. That is all I am interested in”. She said she was not angry.
“She is slandering me to get at Keith. Attack the person that you want to attack but don’t slander my name. And if you are trying to get back at someone, don’t lie. It becomes a boomerang and we know what boomerangs do.
“She has to apologise. And go and tell the public that the things that she has said are not true,” she said.
“My business is fixed. All my kids are grown up. And Vernella Alleyne-Toppin has nothing over me,” said Roselyn.
Post by: Bourbon on March 27, 2015, 05:19:22 AM
People who watching this only looking at it from a superficial angle.
Rowley was lambasted when he brought the emails forward in the parliament by many....including Prakash, Moonilal, Roger Samuel, Phillip Edward Alexander and the PM for the length of time he took before coming forward. Inherent in his presentation were his efforts to get the then president to get the integrity commission to start an investigation and when that met with little success, he moved the motion of no confidence and things started happening. Their argument at the time was that he had evidence that a crime could be committed and sat on it and endangered the life of a journalist. They accused him of using parliamentary privilege for political gain to slander persons and cast aspersions on their character.
Now these allegations and rumors were being pedaled by these sycophants long time. Phillip Edward Alexander..who was priming himself to run against Rowley in elections in his so called group for "Breaking News" posted references several times to it...one of which were words to the effect that he would find that child..he would interview them and make Rowley account for what he had done. And that's one of several references. Remember when Anil Roberts confronted with Rowley saying he should take a drug test trying to counter with "Rowley should take a paternity test"? That was what he was alluding to.
Now...in Mrs. Alleyne-Toppin's presentation..she claimed that the person was a relative. She claimed to have intimate knowledge of the facts. She claimed to do it (even in her subsequent farce of an apology) for the reason that things like these are often swept under the carpet and they need to be addressed so the problem can be dealt with. The thing is...they claimed to know. They claimed to have facts. They had this in their arsenal long time. This was their trump. If they were concerned about anything decent..they had ample opportunity to collate evidence as they claimed to have (and she especially) to take this to the authorities without needing parliamentary privilege.
Yet they didnt. Why? Cause the UNC campaign simply founded on mudslinging diversion and foolishness. Their entire campaign is simply based on the attacking of Rowley's character. Look at this for example:
http://www4.guardian.co.tt/news/2014-06-07/leaked-e-mails
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Following are excerpts from e-mails between Phillip Alexander and Roodal Moonilal and Rodney Charles to UNC activists:
From Charles to UNC activists (May 16)
We propose launching a full scale attack on Keith Rowley come the morning of May 19th 2014 ie the morning after his expected landslide victory. We absolutely need to bring down his polling ratings. We are therefore asking you (and all our supporters) in whatever way you can, to be part of that attack.
Always refer to him as Rowley-not Dr Keith Rowley. Try also to have short sound bites that speak to his negatives. His name should be side by side with the negative e.g. Rowley is unfit to lead. He is too arrogant. He does not entertain views different from his.
The central themes of our attack should be (you can add to these, but the information must be factual and concentrate on Rowley): .... Ok let us in our various (and even separate) ways do what we have to do to bring start putting KR on the defensive. He has shown himself unable to weather sustained attacks. He becomes angry and in effect a raging bull. The time has come to stop saying what is not being done. The time has come to launch your attack. Be part of the plan.
Let us see how KR stands up. We propose three weeks of attacks which will be tweeked to factor in the union march, and our anniversary celebrations. After this we will test polling figures to see which resonates and what changes we need to make. This is a small but essential part of our fight back. As Always we are amenable to wiser counsel.
So understand it in that context. Understand how low they willing to go. Then things like this would make sense:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CA0zsfXVIAAVXN5.jpg)
Or even videos like this on facebook:
https://scontent-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xpf1/v/t42.1790-2/11099859_10203834640531005_1132495418_n.mp4?rl=559&vabr=311&oh=51952ccd3020dc981530e31961b96933&oe=55155B39
I eh think people understand the full extent of what happening here and how low the UNC and their apologists planning to go.
Post by: Deeks on March 27, 2015, 07:06:54 AM
Post by: Bakes on March 27, 2015, 09:00:14 AM
This is even better than PBS Masterpiece Theatre. More exciting than Play of the Month. maxg was talking about morality and integrity as pertaining to the forum different opinions of Brent Sancho being MoSport. Ah said wait until the campaign get into full swing, then we will see all the mudslinging. It started already.
Deeks why yuh think I taking the stance I taking on Sancho? Why yuh think I made that comment about setting aside my personal misgivings about his motives? Why yuh think I made that comment about people only want to focus on they football? It's clear to me that many on the main forum don't come into the General Discussion board or not reading the local papers back home. This isn't about political or personal differences with Sancho, this particular government just plain vile. They toxic. You cannot roll around in shit and expect to come up smelling roses. Let Brent haul he...
Post by: Bourbon on March 27, 2015, 11:30:46 PM
http://scontent-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xaf1/v/t42.1790-2/11100696_10153166959425610_400933122_n.mp4?oh=5948704a3ef9ff113d43d50dc92e602d&oe=55191652
Post by: Sando prince on March 28, 2015, 11:42:11 AM
Post by: zuluwarrior on March 28, 2015, 01:50:42 PM
Post by: Bourbon on March 29, 2015, 07:17:36 AM
WE WILL SURVIVE
Vasant: Vernella will not be fired; it’s no scandal
By by asha javeed asha.javeed@trinidadexpress.com
Story Created: Mar 28, 2015 at 9:23 PM ECT
Story Updated: Mar 28, 2015 at 9:23 PM ECT
Rape statements under the protection of parliamentary privilege and the public outcry which followed it are not enough to remove Minister of State in the Ministry of the People and Social Development Vernella Alleyne-Toppin from her post.
For now, Communications Minister Vasant Bharath says Alleyne-Toppin will retain her portfolio despite a call from former independent senator Martin Daly SC, Chaguanas West MP Jack Warner and the Women’s League of the People’s National Movement (PNM) and others that she be fired.
Bharath told the Sunday Express yesterday the only person who can fire Alleyne-Toppin is Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar.
Persad-Bissessar yesterday did not respond to texts from the Sunday Express on whether she would accede to the public outcry and fire Alleyne-Toppin.
On Wednesday, Alleyne-Toppin, in her contribution to the no-confidence motion against Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley in the Parliament, claimed Rowley was a child of rape and a rapist himself.
On Thursday, Alleyne-Toppin, the Member of Parliament for Tobago East, apologised for her comments about Rowley being a child of rape but called on him to answer questions about a teacher who fathered a child with a pupil in Tobago.
In an exclusive interview with the Express the next day, Roselyn Alleyne, the woman Alleyne-Toppin referred to but did not name in Parliament, said the Tobago East MP’s statements were all lies.
Roselyn Alleyne, the mother of Rowley’s son Garth, further claimed she was offered a bribe to sign an affidavit stating Rowley had raped her.
Bharath denied the claim of bribery.
Questioned yesterday whether he thought the Government could survive the fallout from the statements so close to a general election, Bharath answered: “We can survive this. I don’t think it’s a scandal. The remarks are regrettable and many people are appalled. But I am sure we will be judged on our track record of performance in office,” he said.
On Friday, Persad-Bissessar said while she condemned the statements made, she had also accepted Alleyne-Toppin’s apology.
Persad-Bissessar was not in the Parliament Chamber during Alleyne-Toppin’s contribution.
“I would like to add my voice to the voices of concern and condemnation for parts of the statement that the honourable minister made and so I want to make that point up front,” she said.
Yesterday, Warner issued a statement, which said Persad-Bissessar’s reluctance to fire Alleyne-Toppin “demonstrated a callous lack of compassion and sensitivity towards the victims of sexual abuse in her speech to the Parliament on Wednesday”.
He described Alleyne-Toppin’s contribution as “planned, deliberate and calculated”.
He said: “Without even waiting for the tidal wave of condemnation and outrage at Alleyne-Toppin’s statement triggered, Persad-Bissessar who professes to be a champion of women and the mother and grandmother of the nation, ought to have revoked Alleyne-Toppin’s appointment to the Ministry of the People and Social Development immediately, having already failed to intervene to stop Alleyne-Toppin from making her disgusting statements in the first place.
“The Prime Minister’s position on the matter is strictly and completely informed by political expedience since she believes that she cannot afford to lose another African person from her Government – yet alone a Tobagonian female; albeit that Alleyne-Toppin is now being described as the biggest disgrace to the people of Tobago.”
But Secretary General of the Sanatan Dharma Maha Sabha, Sat Maharaj, says Alleyne-Toppin is being pilloried and that the behaviour meted out to Rowley in Parliament was one he invited when he made reference to the Prime Minister recently.
At a PNM political meeting in Brazil Village, Rowley made a statement: “She could jump high, she could jump low, she could drink this, she could drink that, she could bark at meh dog, I go ignore she cat,” Rowley said in reference to Persad-Bissessar.
Persad-Bissessar had condemned Rowley’s comments and labelled it is an attack on every woman in the country.
Maharaj defended Alleyne-Toppin: “Why should she be fired? (Rowley) is a public person and why are we now hearing that he has a son who is forty-something years old? This was whispered for years now and she just confirmed it,” he said.
Asked whether he felt parliamentary privilege was abused to attack Rowley, Maharaj observed: “It was under parliamentary privilege that Rowley went and read out supposed e-mails which maligned the Prime Minister and members of her Cabinet.”
Leader of Government Business Dr Roodal Moonilal has also defended Alleyne-Toppin: “I think people are trying to kill the messenger and not looking at the important questions being raised. Dr Rowley has questions to answer.”
Congress of the People Leader Prakash Ramadhar, Public Administration Minister Carolyn Seepersad-Bachan and Finance Minister Larry Howai all objected to parts of Alleyne-Toppin’s speech but said there were questions for Rowley to answer.
Post by: Michael-j on March 29, 2015, 09:59:09 AM
http://www.tv6tnt.com/news/PM-Supporters-297567081.html?m=y&smobile=y
I am now starting to understand how the current government won the last elections in 2010. A lot of knuckleheads now reside in T&T who don't have much of a political education and who will give their votes for crumbs or a yellow t-shirt.
The knucklehead, sycophantic, diehard party faithful have always been there and will always be...but they weren't the ones who decided the outcome of the last election and they wouldn't decide the outcome of the next election either. It's the younger, educated masses who see beyond party colours and vote on the issues ....they will decide the outcome. However, they aren't the ones who are being pandered to, they aren't the ones being addressed by the political parties....but they are the ones who will have the biggest impact come elction day.
Post by: Socapro on March 30, 2015, 05:41:42 AM
This is the sort of information the public wants to hear on the election campaign platforms rather than nonsense we have been hearing from the UNC recently to distract the public from the real issues at hand to do with good governance.
Dr. Keith Rowley Speech St Joseph March 24th 2015
https://www.youtube.com/v/F0zBDpEZRAg
Post by: Socapro on March 30, 2015, 08:14:19 AM
PM Kamla Persad-Bissessar, MNF Debe Junction (Mar 23, 2015)
https://www.youtube.com/v/q7FB1Xpjwhk
NB: The video plays so don't be misled by the blank screen before pressing play.
Things are warming up but I suspect that our PM will not give us an election date until all her party's voter padding measures are soundly in place.
Post by: Football supporter on March 30, 2015, 08:48:44 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbLGG5UGEKw
Post by: Sando prince on March 30, 2015, 07:50:32 PM
KAMLA PROMISES SECONDARY SCHOOL FOR BAPTISTS :)
Post by: Socapro on March 30, 2015, 08:21:41 PM
KAMLA PROMISES SECONDARY SCHOOL FOR BAPTISTS :)
She believes that most Afro-Trinidadians are dotish and are for sale for these elections.
We will eventually see if she is correct in her assertions or not.
Post by: Bitter on March 31, 2015, 08:04:34 AM
Archbishop Burke compares Opposition to abusive husband who did nothing for her faith
By Anna Ramdass anna.ramdass@trinidadexpress.com
Story Created: Mar 30, 2015 at 9:36 PM ECT
Story Updated: Mar 31, 2015 at 9:37 AM ECT
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/baptist-lash-FOR-PNM-298082441.html
Comparing the People’s National Movement (PNM) to an abusive husband, Archbishop Barbara Gray-Burke yesterday urged members of the Spiritual Baptist faith to vote for the Kamla Persad-Bissessar-led People’s Partnership and embrace the love shown to them by the Prime Minister.
Gray-Burke, who is sometimes appointed by Government to act as a temporary senator, was speaking at Spiritual Shouter Baptist Liberation Day holiday celebrations at the Empowerment Hall, Maloney.
The pulpit seemed transformed into a political platform, with Burke telling fellow Baptists the PNM, since the days of Dr Eric Williams, never gave the Baptist faith anything.
She heaped praise on former prime minister Basdeo Panday who, under a United National Congress (UNC) government, gave the Baptists the land to build their school.
She noted it was Persad-Bissessar who, as former education minister, turned the sod at the site and the Baptists had to wait until she became Prime Minister of this country for the promise of the school to be made a reality.
She said the PNM never built the school although a million dollars was left by the former UNC government for the school’s construction.
“If we have a husband and we are in an abusive situation, when he work, he gone to the rum shop, drink his rum, he come and he beat me and beat the children, licks like peas, won’t you not get out of that abusive situation?” asked Gray-Burke as the crowd shouted, “Yes!”.
“What have they done for us? Would we go back to that abusive situation?” asked Gray-Burke.
“I’m calling on you all to be grateful...grateful to the UNC Partnership,” she continued.
Gray-Burke said Persad-Bissessar has shown nothing but love to the Baptist people and will do more.
“We have a mother here, a grandmother here, which is our Prime Minister, which can do all of this.
Will you like to be placed in those dark days again?” she asked.
She said the PNM has not been a friend to the Baptists. “Just under the PNM in 2003, one Aaron from Arima was arrested...he was arrested so don’t figure you all clear, the holiday give us some clout but I want to tell you all, please, study what you doing,” she said.
Gray-Burke said in 1956 when Dr Eric Williams came into power, he lasted there for all the years and he never acknowledged the Baptists.
She said when the Baptists marked 25 years, they marched from Calvary Hill to Woodfrod Square, and then Williams promised a holiday which he and the PNM never gave.
She said she knows there were Baptists who have the PNM in their hearts, but she urged them to “love with sense”.
“My Prime Minister has shown love to us,” said Gray-Burke, disclosing last Thursday, Persad-Bissessar announced the Baptists will be on the table of presidents—which meant every event that happens, the Baptists must be invited.
Gray-Burke said she has always had a “slot” so when visiting dignitaries came to this country such as Winnie Mandela, she was able to greet them.
She said no other Baptist can go to these events but now, the Baptists have their own slot.
Gray-Burke further urged the congregation to “not be fooled by all those radio programmes...hold fast for what we have; we have a mother, a grandmother, somebody who is warm, somebody who is loving, who is able and she will chart our way,” said Gray-Burke, adding the Prime Minister will deliver the secondary school and trade school to the Baptists.
“I want to tell you all, love this lady. Don’t study what no media say,” said Gray-Burke.
Post by: Socapro on March 31, 2015, 09:10:05 AM
Baptist lash for PNM
Archbishop Burke compares Opposition to abusive husband who did nothing for her faith
By Anna Ramdass anna.ramdass@trinidadexpress.com
Story Created: Mar 30, 2015 at 9:36 PM ECT
Story Updated: Mar 31, 2015 at 9:37 AM ECT
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/baptist-lash-FOR-PNM-298082441.html
Comparing the People’s National Movement (PNM) to an abusive husband, Archbishop Barbara Gray-Burke yesterday urged members of the Spiritual Baptist faith to vote for the Kamla Persad-Bissessar-led People’s Partnership and embrace the love shown to them by the Prime Minister.
Gray-Burke, who is sometimes appointed by Government to act as a temporary senator, was speaking at Spiritual Shouter Baptist Liberation Day holiday celebrations at the Empowerment Hall, Maloney.
The pulpit seemed transformed into a political platform, with Burke telling fellow Baptists the PNM, since the days of Dr Eric Williams, never gave the Baptist faith anything.
She heaped praise on former prime minister Basdeo Panday who, under a United National Congress (UNC) government, gave the Baptists the land to build their school.
She noted it was Persad-Bissessar who, as former education minister, turned the sod at the site and the Baptists had to wait until she became Prime Minister of this country for the promise of the school to be made a reality.
She said the PNM never built the school although a million dollars was left by the former UNC government for the school’s construction.
“If we have a husband and we are in an abusive situation, when he work, he gone to the rum shop, drink his rum, he come and he beat me and beat the children, licks like peas, won’t you not get out of that abusive situation?” asked Gray-Burke as the crowd shouted, “Yes!”.
“What have they done for us? Would we go back to that abusive situation?” asked Gray-Burke.
“I’m calling on you all to be grateful...grateful to the UNC Partnership,” she continued.
Gray-Burke said Persad-Bissessar has shown nothing but love to the Baptist people and will do more.
“We have a mother here, a grandmother here, which is our Prime Minister, which can do all of this.
Will you like to be placed in those dark days again?” she asked.
She said the PNM has not been a friend to the Baptists. “Just under the PNM in 2003, one Aaron from Arima was arrested...he was arrested so don’t figure you all clear, the holiday give us some clout but I want to tell you all, please, study what you doing,” she said.
Gray-Burke said in 1956 when Dr Eric Williams came into power, he lasted there for all the years and he never acknowledged the Baptists.
She said when the Baptists marked 25 years, they marched from Calvary Hill to Woodfrod Square, and then Williams promised a holiday which he and the PNM never gave.
She said she knows there were Baptists who have the PNM in their hearts, but she urged them to “love with sense”.
“My Prime Minister has shown love to us,” said Gray-Burke, disclosing last Thursday, Persad-Bissessar announced the Baptists will be on the table of presidents—which meant every event that happens, the Baptists must be invited.
Gray-Burke said she has always had a “slot” so when visiting dignitaries came to this country such as Winnie Mandela, she was able to greet them.
She said no other Baptist can go to these events but now, the Baptists have their own slot.
Gray-Burke further urged the congregation to “not be fooled by all those radio programmes...hold fast for what we have; we have a mother, a grandmother, somebody who is warm, somebody who is loving, who is able and she will chart our way,” said Gray-Burke, adding the Prime Minister will deliver the secondary school and trade school to the Baptists.
“I want to tell you all, love this lady. Don’t study what no media say,” said Gray-Burke.
Archbishop Barbara Gray-Burke is not a true Spiritual Shouter Baptist as no true Spiritual Shouter Baptist would advocate voting for such a corrupt government that actually has a long term racist agenda against Africa people in T&T that is quite obvious.
Archbishop Barbara Gray-Burke is a typical Negro house slave and yes they still exist as is evident in her case.
Post by: Deeks on March 31, 2015, 10:44:45 AM
Post by: Socapro on March 31, 2015, 01:06:33 PM
She is correct that they never built any baptist schools. But they built plenty schools for citizens of Trinbago. Muslims, Hindus and Catholics built schools. These communities raised funds to build their schools. Yes they got assistance thru the Concordat. Why the Baptist community did not raise funds to build schools. Was their discrimination against Baptist long ago. Yes. Even Afro-Trinis had their own issues with the faith. But I will not come down on the Archbishop. It is what it is. If she has no love for PNM, there nothing they can do about that. Let she and the Baptist vote where they feel they will get "more love". That is their RIGHT.
This is the same PPG government who has been stopping Baptists via the CDA from doing any Baptisms in their traditions stomping grounds of Chaguaramas Bay and this fake Archbishop Barbara Gray-Burke who is supposed to be fighting for the interest of Spiritual Shouter Baptists has not had a word to say on the issue.
She has obvious been bought by the PPG and is looking after her own personal interest rather than the interest of true followers of the Spiritual Shouter Baptist faith.
Woman is a total disappointment to all true followers of the faith, she is a shameless sellout.
Post by: weary1969 on March 31, 2015, 01:53:25 PM
People here believe that politics in T&T are different than so called first world countries. But it's just the same elsewhere. People have the same complaints and criticisms. Right or wrong, politics is politics worldwide. As social media evolves, we become more informed than previous generations. We are more aware, more vocal, but in reality, it's always been this way. This is what the British electorate is seeing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbLGG5UGEKw
What happened last Wednesday would never happen at the House of Commons. So it way different.
Post by: Sando prince on March 31, 2015, 07:17:24 PM
Baptists disagree with Barbara Burke
‘Members can vote how they want’
By Michelle Loubon
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Baptists-disagree-with-Barbara-Burke-298235481.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Baptists-disagree-with-Barbara-Burke-298235481.html)
“I will not be held to ransom.”
Patriarch Stephen Julien, Head of the National Congress of Incorporated Spiritual Baptists/Spiritual Leader at Isaiah Temple, Preysal, Couva, and archbishop of Mt Zion Independent Spiritual Baptist Churches of Trinidad and Tobago, Church Street, Diamond Village, San Fernando, made this comment in response to Archbishop Barbara Gray-Burke’s call for the Baptist community to re-elect Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar.
On Monday, during Spiritual Shouter Baptist Liberation Day holiday celebrations at the Empowerment Hall, Maloney, Gray-Burke urged members of the faith to vote for Persad-Bissessar and embrace the love shown to them by her.
In a telephone interview yesterday, Julien added: “I never encourage them. The members are free to vote as they want. I am not a politician. Everybody is free to vote according to their conscience. That is Burke’s opinion. I cannot fight her for her viewpoint. Not because a government has done something for me means, I am going to tell everybody to vote for them. It is up to the leaders and congregation to vote for whoever they feel is best equipped to rule the country. I might vote for PNM or UNC. But I am working with God.”
An elder who claimed she was speaking on behalf of three churches, in Chase Village, Chaguanas, said: “Getting a school is fine. But sticking with her is not my kettle of fish. In my view, the government is there to work for the people. They have a responsibility to make us happy and comfortable. But to say we have to stick with her, I think it is a “no...no.” Burke and people who are in her inner circle may be benefiting. But the majority of us are not.”
The religious elder also went on to explain that when Persad-Bissessar promised the churches a grant, they proceeded to sign up. They said they had also approached former minister of the People and Social Development Dr Glenn Ramadharsingh. She said: “We begged Glenn. But yet no one was assisting us.”
Deacon Edwin Pantin, Mt Bethel Spiritual Baptist, Church, Carapichaima, said: “We will accept the school. I don’t agree with Burke. I don’t agree with it. They would say anything to get what they want no problem. But they can’t hold me to ransom.”
Rev Hazel Ann Gibbs de Peza/Assistant Prof of the University of Trinidad and Tobago and Herman Parris Spiritual Baptist Southland School of Theology said: “I will not agree with Burke. The religious community cannot be bought with gifts. The first school was given to Burke. Persad-Bissessar did not give it to the community. If she is giving her a second school, she is not giving it to the Spiritual Baptist community.”
She also said the Spiritual Baptists could exercise their franchise as they saw fit. She said: “Persad-Bissessar making a promise to them does not have an impact on them exercising their franchise. Burke cannot call upon the faith to act as a political unit. We will not accept that. We don’t deny the PNM did not help. That is the modus operandi of politicians. We will not allow the promise of a secondary school to influence our decision.”
On the flip side, Bishop Roland Gulston, Angel Michael Healing Tabernacle/Hostel for Youths, Egypt Extension, Chaguanas, said: “We support anything positive for the nation’s children because right now, the country is in turmoil. Mostly black children are getting killed. We want to support Persad-Bissessar in every way. We want to support something positive.”
Post by: Sando prince on April 04, 2015, 07:35:19 PM
All ah we is one family :)
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/-OLD-FRIENDS-298689001.html
Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley, left, greets former prime minister Basdeo Panday, while his wife Oma Panday looks on, during the ‘Celebration and Thanksgiving’ for the life of the late entrepreneur Robert Theophilus Yorke, at Holy Trinity Cathedral, Port of Spain, yesterday. See Page 11. –Photo: ISHMAEL SALANDY
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Post by: Sando prince on April 10, 2015, 12:38:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/l15RkIO_tIA#t=47
Post by: Deeks on April 10, 2015, 09:23:39 PM
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=459134&page=597
Post by: Socapro on April 14, 2015, 02:47:56 PM
Here is the link: http://www.warnertv.net/
Post by: Sando prince on April 16, 2015, 12:47:15 PM
Rowley outlines plans for T&T to energy execs
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-04-16/rowley-outlines-plans-tt-energy-execs (http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-04-16/rowley-outlines-plans-tt-energy-execs)
In outlining his plans should he become the next Prime Minister of T&T, Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley says he will strengthen diplomatic relations with Caricom and the international community so as to expand T&T's energy industry. Speaking on his intentions for the challenged energy sector at the Energy Chamber’s conference at Cara Suites Hotel and Conference Centre yesterday, Rowley promised to open new doors for both state and private sector companies with the signing of several Memorandums of Understanding (MOU).
Special focus will be placed on the United States, United Kingdom, Venezuela, Ghana, Germany, China, Saudi Arabia, India and Caricom members. He hinted at seeking a possible MOU with the Barbados government for offshore hydrocarbon exploration with T&T being a processing market. “We expect from a PNM standpoint to be the next government of Trinidad and Tobago and I commit very early to lead the requisite delegations to Ghana, in particular, where we lost some significant opportunities; Suriname, Guyana and Barbados to ensure we get those opportunities.
Especially in Suriname, Guyana and Barbados, I am going to make sure that we offer them a platform where we can work together so when they do put out the energy that we have now, Trinidad and Tobago can play a significant role in it, from use of our technical expertise,” Rowley said.
He added, “With the advent of shale gas and the impact it will have on the global energy sector, the discovery of substantial natural gas reserves in Africa—Tanzania, over 60 tcf, Mozambique over 150 tcf—the development of new technologies that will allow natural gas to become the feedstock for products traditionally associated with oil such as transportation fuels, including diesel and gasoline [and] the plastic industry, Trinidad and Tobago may be presented an opportunity to increase its role in the global energy industry.
One of his challenges will be the remodelling of major state companies such as the National Gas Company and Petrotrin, which he said had spent substantial funds outside their core business that should have been used on investment programmes. He said key roles would be assigned to those companies in expanding the sector.
He also hinted at a human resource shake-up, saying that his government would put the best people to head state companies, while the Ministry of Energy and Energy Affairs would be staffed with experienced and qualified professionals.
Post by: Bourbon on April 17, 2015, 05:33:21 AM
Expertise to head companies should be expected. Fairness too. The folly of stopping several Petrotrin projects like the GTL plant and others for political expediency is just one reason Petrotrin in the state it in. I've also been reliably informed that out of an employee pool of approximately 5500, approximately 1800 are in the Human Resources department. Which certainly isnt feasible.
Post by: Sando prince on April 19, 2015, 01:42:49 PM
Post by: Sando prince on April 19, 2015, 01:47:02 PM
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Rowley Addresses PNM Candidates
We already know who most of the People's National Movement's candidates for the upcoming general election are and today they got to mingle with each other, while being addressed by the man who'll be leading them into the upcoming election battle.
Post by: AB.Trini on April 19, 2015, 10:39:20 PM
Look at the ethnic divide among the parties on the outside fighting among themselves - which ethnicity is most represented by those parties? Now we have another splintered group the AOI? All this would do is strengthen the PP-
There appears to be internal battles in the PNM- Mr. Row leh will have a heck of a time to unify the loose fragments led by Beckles in the Esat,Amoryin the west and all the inner fighting by those who got rejected in the screening!
This does not bode well- ILP AOI - not to mention trade union and NJAR all these parties fighting for ah bone and PP laughing - keep these people divided and yuh know what - they back on top! Never seen so much chupid people falling for the politricksters and the rhetoric of this government- people getting used people getting bought out people just like clowns partying laughing and dancing waving hands in the air yet so seemingly oblivious of what is going on around them.
People wake up and realize how divided we have become and the conquerors sitting back and taking it all in!
Post by: Sando prince on May 04, 2015, 07:42:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/_QDLeyuVwGM&feature=youtu.be
Post by: Controversial on May 04, 2015, 09:20:44 AM
them men does be drinking and liming with one another outside parliament... taking people for fools who really feel there is tension...
there is zero tension... that's why it is called political theater
Post by: Deeks on May 04, 2015, 10:10:12 AM
politics in TT is a joke... :D
them men does be drinking and liming with one another outside parliament... taking people for fools who really feel there is tension...
there is zero tension... that's why it is called political theater
So if you were to join a political party or form your own, you will not talk to or attend functions where the opposition is attending. At some point you have to talk with one another on non-political issues. Kama gave Rowley a cupcake the other day at some function. You mean to tell me Rowley should have refused it and say he watching he diet?
Post by: de_redman on May 04, 2015, 11:07:58 AM
Well the truth is Rowley give the cupcake to a child after she left the room :)... But on a serious note, Contro talking sh!t. Of course there is tension and real tension too. Yuh doh talk bout people being rapists and how dey born on a cool head. It have real stuff riding on an election, from ultimate power to mad money, so you cah say it have 'zero tension', please!!politics in TT is a joke... :D
them men does be drinking and liming with one another outside parliament... taking people for fools who really feel there is tension...
there is zero tension... that's why it is called political theater
So if you were to join a political party or form your own, you will not talk to or attend functions where the opposition is attending. At some point you have to talk with one another on non-political issues. Kama gave Rowley a cupcake the other day at some function. You mean to tell me Rowley should have refused it and say he watching he diet?
Post by: Bourbon on May 04, 2015, 01:02:04 PM
Duke launches campaign for Tobago East
By Elizabeth Williams
Story Created: May 3, 2015 at 9:29 PM ECT
Story Updated: May 3, 2015 at 9:29 PM ECT
Roxborough
Public Services Association (PSA) president Watson Duke officially launched his candidacy for Tobago East yesterday in his hometown, Roxborough.
He said he will not resign his post as PSA president, as a conflict of interest does not arise. Duke’s launch took place in the vicinity of Pirate’s Boat Yard.
Duke also said once he wins Tobago East, he intends to start a political party.
Executive members of the PSA were there to support him and he also had the support of his 81-year-old father, Wadsworth Duke, who stood at his side.
“There is nothing in the Constitution to suggest or advise on anyone resigning from their position because they are seeking to represent a bigger community,” Duke said.
Duke said his campaigning for Tobago East is one about serving the people, similar to his PSA post. He knocked previous representative of the People’s National Movement (PNM) Eudine Job-Davis and sitting MP Vernella Alleyne-Toppin for what he termed a lack of service to the people of Tobago East.
He then served this warning on the PNM: “I want London to take notice that we come to take control, and we taking control of Tobago East.”
Duke said his first order of business, once elected winner of the Tobago East seat, will be internal self-government for the people of Tobago. He said he was called by God to serve.
“We intend to get internal self-government one year after election. It will not be something we will sit and wait on. We are going to take it.”
Duke said PSA funding is not being used in his campaign.
“My campaign is being funded by myself, my friends and people around me. Is a grassroots thing this.”
Post by: weary1969 on May 05, 2015, 12:32:50 PM
By \\\\\ Anna Ramdass anna.ramdass@trinidadexpress.com
GUAICO
Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar last night called on her troops to get ready with an open call for nominations for candidates from May 11.
Speaking at the Guaico Government Secondary School at the United National Congress’ Monday Night Forum, she noted that on May 24 the People’s Partnership Government marks its fifth year in office and was ready for re-election for another term.
Still keeping the election date a secret, Persad-Bissessar said the election was at hand and from May 11, nomination forms will be available at the UNC’s Rienzi Complex, Couva, headquarters during working hours Monday to Friday.
She invited persons to collect the forms and propose nominees for general elections 2015.
The Prime Minister confessed that both she and her Government have made mistakes which they have learnt from and she vowed to continue developing the country and its people.
“For me and for many of you the last five years have not been easy,” said Persad-Bissessar as she reminded her audience that she took the tough decisions to fire people whom she trusted which was not easy.
“…I did it because I believe in maintaining the integrity of any government I lead, which must be accountable to the people,” she said.
“I am proud of the fact that with every tough decision I had to take I have grown stronger and better prepared to lead our country for the next five years,” she said as she stressed that her Government needs another terms to build on the work they have done.
She said there have been tough times which were overcome, adding that under the former People’s National Movement (PNM) there were nine years of stagnation and wasted opportunities.
The Prime Minister said that although the statistics show that crime is not growing at the rate it was, the crime fight will be a priority.
With respect to future plans, Persad-Bissessar disclosed that the Guaico/Sangre Grande area has been identified by Town and Country Planning for Medium Intensity Development — this mean that this region will be developed to provide all satellite services which include banking services, financial services, buildings up to six storeys high, professional offices, retail trades, restaurants, entertainment facilities, market development and of course Government services.
These decisions, she said, have already been taken by Cabinet.
PM responds to Moody’s downgrade
Persad-Bissessar said the economy was in a better state today than it was in 2010.
She pointed out that her Government dealt with the CLICO/HCU mess and put back the economy on a stable path.
She said despite the Moody’s downgrade from stable to negative, her Government remains confident of stability, growth and progress.
She noted that Moody’s said the decline in oil prices and the diversification of the economy were also reasons for their move.
Persad-Bissessar said even as spending was adjusted because of the decline in oil prices, revenues for the first half of the current fiscal year were just five per cent below the original budgeted target.
The Prime Minister added that instead of a deficit projected at over $3 billion for the first half of this fiscal year, there was a recorded surplus.
She said further that investments in the energy sector continue to be strong.
Post by: Socapro on May 13, 2015, 07:56:24 AM
Following the results of the Guyanese elections where the PP's sister party the PPP in Guyana lost and to try to avoid similar disaster happening in T&T, our general elections date has been set for 31st September 2015.
Please note that any unrest reported in objection to this date even including a steups may lead to our government calling a SoE.
Post by: Deeks on May 13, 2015, 09:01:29 AM
Post by: Socapro on May 13, 2015, 12:22:28 PM
Surprised to hear PPP lost the elections.
They are calling for a recount and don't want to leave office.
They are very close and similar in agenda to our PP government so you know that this is a sign that Kamla and her crew of criminals are not going to give up power easily even if/when they are defeated at the polls.
Post by: Sando prince on May 13, 2015, 12:28:06 PM
Post by: weary1969 on May 13, 2015, 12:37:49 PM
Socapro are you saying the actions of the PPP party in Guyana is actually a sign of what will happen in Trinidad and Tobago?
What I do know they both cut from the same cloth
Post by: Bourbon on May 14, 2015, 05:31:38 AM
https://www.facebook.com/groups/154004974659421/permalink/924370870956157/
For those who not on facebook...
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Post by: Sando prince on May 08, 2015, 07:49:51 PM
Watson Duke is hoping his popularity will win him the seat!
Post by: weary1969 on May 11, 2015, 08:57:56 AM
Watson Duke is hoping his popularity will win him the seat!
What popularity? If the jokers had come together and field 1 slate he would not have been PSA President.
Post by: Bourbon on May 11, 2015, 08:07:01 PM
😔
Post by: Socapro on May 14, 2015, 02:07:08 PM
Socapro are you saying the actions of the PPP party in Guyana is actually a sign of what will happen in Trinidad and Tobago?
You take it however you wish. I simply expressed my view and think I made what I said clear enough.
Post by: Sando prince on May 14, 2015, 02:41:25 PM
Post by: Brownsugar on May 14, 2015, 06:11:32 PM
Watson Duke is hoping his popularity will win him the seat!
Watson Duke will lose his deposit........
Post by: Bourbon on May 15, 2015, 05:06:30 AM
Socapro are you saying the actions of the PPP party in Guyana is actually a sign of what will happen in Trinidad and Tobago?
You take it however you wish. I simply expressed my view and think I made what I said clear enough.
Well...lets hope not....although I not sure if there is much to pin hope to...
http://caribbeannewsnow.com/topstory-Opposition-coalition-wins-in-Guyana-26118.html
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However, President Donald Ramotar refused to concede after Thursday’s announcement, claiming the elections were flawed and demanding a recount, without giving details of his accusations. He also claimed that a number of statements of poll were forged.
In rejecting the results and demanding a full recount, he said, "I cannot concede that I have lost this election." When asked if he would refuse to give up power, he responded, "I have not closed any option as yet."
Post by: weary1969 on May 16, 2015, 01:24:40 PM
Watson Duke is hoping his popularity will win him the seat!
Watson Duke will lose his deposit........
I am holding you personally responsible to insure that this happen.
Post by: weary1969 on May 16, 2015, 01:25:21 PM
Bourbon he seems to be just another die hard PP supporter. Nothing much to really talk about. Political parties have their loyalist supporters.
BEST JOKE OF THE DAY.
Post by: AB.Trini on May 16, 2015, 01:45:24 PM
Sad that folks vote in a quasi tribal mentality as oppose to principles , ethics, morals, competencies- virtues which seems to exceed the grasp of a vast majority of the electorates- too often the thirst for $$ and the lure of " get rich " schemes has suckered many who began with good intentions- sadly those who run for public offices are not held accountable early on or screened to ensure that skeletons from third closets don't come alive to haunt them. Sadly it appears that those who are rejected for public office seems content to be sucked in to another party to " spite"
We have a mess at home and we need leaders who would stand up for the ideals of humanity- govern with ethical care and duty- squash the corrosive corruptible elements and humbly serve those who cry out for justice, peace , and a life free of poverty.
Post by: Sando prince on May 16, 2015, 09:10:15 PM
The passing of this run-off bill will see the Govt facing major backlash from the population.
http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-Runoff-and-Recall-Controversy---303973841.html (http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-Runoff-and-Recall-Controversy---303973841.html)
Post by: Bourbon on May 16, 2015, 10:11:21 PM
The passing of this run-off bill will see the Govt facing major backlash from the population.
http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-Runoff-and-Recall-Controversy---303973841.html (http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-Runoff-and-Recall-Controversy---303973841.html)
I not so sure about that.
There are people that political opinions hinge greatly on what they are told by their party. Why you think PR making money?
Also..an eunuch like Prakash really doesnt care cause he seeing about himself. The run off would just be COP's final rites. He might get a UNC ticket at worst...at best he would be in the party alone. So he not worried.
And especially seeing how Guyana's turned out and the actions of this government here....I actually am worried about how things turn out.
Post by: Brownsugar on May 17, 2015, 02:12:41 PM
Watson Duke is hoping his popularity will win him the seat!
Watson Duke will lose his deposit........
I am holding you personally responsible to insure that this happen.
:beermug: :)
Post by: Socapro on May 25, 2015, 09:59:22 AM
By Rhondor Dowlat
Published: Monday, May 25, 2015 (T&T Guardian)
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A supporter displays a placard calling for the legalisation of marijuana at the People’s Partnership’s anniversary celebrations at Constantine Park, Macoya, yesterday. Photo: RISHI RAGOONATH
Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar was in full elections mode yesterday as she declared: “No retreat, no surrender.” She told thousands of supporters gathered at Constantine Park, Macoya, for the People’s Partnership anniversary rally that she is ready to do battle. She also used the event, which was broadcast live on three local television channels, to join hands with the leaders of the other parties in the ruling coalition and renew the pledge they made five years ago.
This time, however, Persad-Bissessar acknowledged the times her government faltered and declared that her government would grow from such experiences. In a wide ranging fifth anniversary address, the Prime Minister recalled the times the opposition and citizens at large said her coalition government would collapse.
“We have proven them wrong. We will wipe the opposition off the map of T&T and we will be a partnership that will take you forward into the future of T&T,” she said. “We made a promise. Always remember, no retreat, no surrender. We will be like soldiers in the winter night. Blood brothers and sisters in the stormy night ready to defend.
“We are ready to do battle, to keep great the country on the path of success, progress and equality. Do not be deterred by all the negative forces and malicious reports coming from the other side. They are desperate because they cannot contest our achievements.” Persad-Bissessar also announced several projects the PP will undertake if given that second term in office.
“The highways from San Fernando to Mayaro. This will begin now and will continue until completion. The access on the ocean front to Chaguaramas. We will establish dry docking facilities in La Brea which will bring us thousands of sustainable jobs in a traditionally depressed area. A national transport and traffic strategy, a medical tourism hospital.
“Development on a sequential basis of the seven economic zones. Those will be rationalised for agro-processing, commercial services, manufacturing, light manufacturing, petro chemicals and high tech manufacturing. These will bring good quality sustainable jobs,” she said.
“The San Fernando Water Front Development Project, on which the full study has been done, consultations has been held and this project is ready to go. We have already put a committee in place headed by businesswoman Daphne Bartlett. We have not forgotten Tobago. Development of a marina and designation of a duty free port,” she added.
Persad-Bissessar also announced plans for a port in Port-of-Spain that will link with other development initiatives, including the Invaders Bay development and the development of the Chaguaramas Peninsula. “Port-of-Spain will be renewed as a port city with extended waterfront, leisure, entertainment, business and residential areas. Those will bring more jobs and more revenue to T&T,” she said.
Another highlight of the rally was the launch of the PP Government’s campaign web site. What we will do in our next term we will lay out for you in our manifesto, our commitment, shortly and these are just some of the highlights. I ask you to make sure to check our campaign web site launched today, kamla2015.tt.” she said.
Post by: Socapro on May 25, 2015, 10:17:22 AM
By Renuka Singh
Published: Monday, May 25, 2015 (T&T Guardian)
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PNM Political Leader Dr Keith Rowley addresses supporters at the party’s sports and family day at Nelson Mandela Park, Port-of-Spain yesterday. Photo: JEFF MAYERS
A red tide swept through the Queen’s Park Savannah yesterday as thousands of People National Movement (PNM) supporters gathered for the party’s annual family day. Dubbed a day of fun, it quickly took on the look and feel of a political rally by the time Opposition leader Dr Keith Rowley took the stage just after 4 pm.
Rowley kept his finger on hot political topics including government misspending, Section 34 and the recent collapse of the Integrity Commission. He said the Prime Minister’s attorney, Israel Khan, wrote to the Integrity Commission calling for the termination of the investigation on a letterhead that bore the name of chairman of the Integrity Commission, Zainool Hosein.
“So the law firm looking to request the termination of the investigation a person listed on the letterhead of that law firm, is the person to terminate the investigation,” he said. Rowley said if the investigations showed that the e-mails are fake, so be it but he criticised Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar for retaining a criminal lawyer, to pressure the Integrity Commission for a statement.
“The Prime Minister decided it was time to exonerate herself,” he said. Responding to Persad-Bissessar’s claim that she did not interfere or influence the Integrity Commissions decision, the PNM leader declared: “Madam Prime Minister, you are not speaking the truth.” Rowley further claimed that Khan had interceded on her behalf.
When the T&T Guardian contacted Hosein yesterday after Rowley’s revelation but he declined to comment and said he had not heard the speech. “But the matter of the Integrity Commission is before the President,” he said.
Staying on the Integrity Commission issue, Rowley said that the issue must now be filling the vacancies on the Commission, which cannot be done without the consent of the Opposition leader. Since he has been suspended from Parliament by Persad-Bissessar, he was curious to find out how President Anthony Carmona will fill the spaces.
“I want to tell President Carmona, that in case he is not aware, the Prime Minister throw me out of Parliament but any approval must come through me,” he said. Rowley said despite that he is “putting the President on notice” that he is still willing to meet and treat with the appointment of the new Integrity Commission bunder a new chairman.
Rowley also called on Persad-Bissessar to call the election now rather than later. He acknowledged that the elections were constitutionally due before September 17, but said with the budget cycle starts on October 1, making for a tight start to the new term for the next government. He said that Persad-Bissessar will go down in history as the only leader to lose five elections after riding into power on a wave of approval. He was referring to the four elections in 2013 and the upcoming 2015 general elections.
He said the Government, during its five year term, spent more than $400 billion in successive budgets without anything major to show for it.
Post by: Socapro on May 25, 2015, 10:31:47 AM
Published: Monday, May 25, 2015 (T&T Guardian)
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Jack Warner ILP Leader
Leader of the Independent Liberal Party (ILP) Jack Warner will announce his slate of 41 candidates only when the UNC discloses theirs. “We don’t want to begin too early and burn ourselves out. We will not announce candidates until after the UNC announces theirs for obvious reasons. We will go full speed ahead after the date is given. No party shall form the government without the ILP,” he said. He added that he was not overly concerned about the polls.
The ILP held an interfaith service held at Passage to Asia Restaurant in Chaguanas yesterday. Warner said it was only fitting that the party should hold prayers and thanksgiving on the say that People’s National Movement (PNM) held a family day at Nelson Mandela Park, Port-of-Spain and the People’s Partnership (PP) celebrated its fifth year in power at Macoya.
He said although recent Guardian Media Limited polls conducted by Louis Bertrand of H.H.B. and Associates showed that the PNM was in the lead in Tunapuna, St Joseph and San Fernando West, this was far from the truth. He said the ILP has already started campaigning “We have had cottage meetings in several areas. We were in Chaguanas East and West, in Tunapuna, Toco/Sangre Grande. We will launch our public meetings from June 5,” Warner said.
He added that the ILP will support a national front and will work towards getting the support of undecided voters. Warner accused the media to behaving as if only two parties existed in T&T. “Nothing is further from the truth. The country is set up to believe if you are not PNM then you PP or vice versa. They behaving like the Debates Commission. They dismiss other parties,” he said.
Asked which seat he planned to contest, Warner said: “I dont know where I will contest whether it is Chaguanas East or West, or Lopinot Bon/Air.”
Post by: Brownsugar on May 26, 2015, 06:12:56 AM
Post by: Sando prince on May 26, 2015, 10:24:09 PM
Well Ralph Maraj really going after the PNM now boi
He is T&T own political grasshopper.
Post by: Bourbon on May 27, 2015, 05:14:11 AM
De Leon removed as TV host
Published on May 26, 2015, 9:06 pm AST
By Anna Ramdass
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There are questions surrounding the removal of Paige De Leon as host of CNC3's On The Margin programme and whether this action was taken following a complaint from a Government minister.
On The Margin is a pre-general election programme which was launched by Guardian Media Limited (GML) last month.
The programme focuses on different constituencies with analysis and reports from the people on the ground as well as the respective MPs.
De Leon hosted the show, which airs on Tuesdays, up to last week. Last night's edition was hosted by Guardian editor-in-chief Orin Gordon. Last week, Works and Infrastructure Minister Dr Suruj Rambachan, former People's National Movement (PNM) government minister Mariano Browne and Pastor Clive Dottin were guests on the programme.
Contacted yesterday, De Leon confirmed that she was removed as programme host but refused to divulge any further information.
"I am not the host of the show any longer, however, I continue to work with Guardian Media Limited on the back-end on their election coverage," she said.
Asked whether her removal came following a complaint by a Government minister, De Leon said she was unaware of that and did not have any comment.
Speaking to the Express by phone, Rambachan said De Leon did her job and he did not have an issue with her.
"Paige De Leon is employed by CNC3 and she has a job to do and she did her job, she asked me some good questions on the programme, I answered in defence of the Government and also to ensure that the Government's position on matters of delivery and governance and so on was well articulated," he said.
Asked if he made a complaint to the executives of GML about De Leon, Rambachan replied: "I don't think I should comment on Paige De Leon, my purpose is to ensure that the Government wins an election and that's what I am about."
"Media institutions and media organisations, they have every right to make their comments, it's a free country, it's a democratic country and the Government upholds press freedom," he added.
Browne said he was surprised to learn of De Leon's removal as host and he did get wind of the news earlier in the day, which prompted him to go back and watch the programme online.
"I thought she was fair, she gave Mr Rambachan a lot of room to talk, but he (Rambachan) was not very happy about the programme, he was uncomfortable," said Browne.
Browne said De Leon was a good moderator and the fact that she also caused St Joseph MP Terrence Deyalsingh to get upset on a previous programme showed that she was not biased as her questions got to both Opposition and Government members.
http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-Say-what6888-305105921.html
Post by: Socapro on May 27, 2015, 10:46:58 AM
I somehow feel the undecided eh interested in nothing Jack have to offer but good luck to mih frienemy......
From the feedback I am getting you would be surprised!
Post by: Sando prince on May 31, 2015, 07:16:26 PM
Like allyuh aint hear Sat Maharaj say the capital should be moved from POS to somewhere else ( he probably thinking Penal)
:D Imagine this man have a weekly column in the Guardian. As usual the PM has nothing to say after his rants
Post by: Bourbon on June 01, 2015, 01:01:22 PM
Like allyuh aint hear Sat Maharaj say the capital should be moved from POS to somewhere else ( he probably thinking Penal)
:D Imagine this man have a weekly column in the Guardian. As usual the PM has nothing to say after his rants
Not quite.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20150531/news/sat-govt-should-be-given-second-term
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Sanatan Dharma Maha Sabha (SDMS) secretary general Satnarayan Maharaj yesterday reminded citizens that they would soon be called upon to make choices.
And he advised that each person consider how he/she made those choices.
Speaking at the SDMS Indian Arrival Day celebrations at the Parvati Girls' Hindu College, Maharaj said, there was no need to change an administration which had transformed the country.
Instead, he said, they should be given another chance.
Maharaj said, "At this time, where choices must be made, remember it is good to change but to change under what circumstances? If we have in place administrators who have transformed the country, then they should be given an opportunity to do even more. So you do not change for the sake of change."
He said Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar had adopted all the children of Trinidad and Tobago by providing free education from early childhood to university. :bs:..I probably confused.....this wasnt the case BEFORE she came in?
And he described Education Minister Dr Tim Gopeesingh as a visionary man. Persad-Bissessar, Gopeesingh, Fyzabad MP Chandresh Sharma, and Oropouche West MP Stacy Roopnarine also attended the celebration.
Maharaj reminded East Indians about their ancestors who travelled to Trinidad to aquire and achieve.
But he lamented that many years ago Hindus were forced to change if they wanted to become professionals.
"One of the most brilliant young men in 1930s was a man called Krishna Deonarine. He became a lawyer and the first thing he did was to change his name to Adrian Cola Rienzi and you know how damn foolish we are? We name a whole complex after him, Rienzi Complex, where our fathers walked the fields to build a complex. A man who distanced himself from everything that our ansectors believed in," he said.
Maharaj said he was proud to see young women, wearing their raksha (protection band) on their wrists and stethoscopes around their necks.
Maharaj said it was time the capital city moved from Port of Spain as the education facilities were moving away from the city.
"We have talked about it in the past, we must move the capital city of Port of Spain and put it elsewhere. It does not suit us anymore, the education capital has moved from Port of Spain. It is now in St Augustine and in five years it will be in Debe/Penal...that is change," he said.
But as she addressed the gathering, Persad-Bissessar, said she disagreed with Maharaj's ideology.
She said it was not necessary to move the capital city, but lift up the entire country.
"I do not agree with Mr Maharaj when he says we must move the capital city from Port of Spain. I believe that you don't bring down one to lift another, we must lift up the entire country of Trinidad and Tobago, make every place of Trinidad and Tobago as the capital city," she said. Persad-Bissessar said her Government was lifting all areas in Trinidad and Tobago by building the first University of the West Indies campus in Debe, building the San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway and would soon commence the San Fernando to Mayaro Highway.
She recognize she could get licks for it so she cover it one time.
Post by: Sando prince on June 01, 2015, 01:47:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/Tyj8knMAHHc
Post by: Bourbon on June 02, 2015, 07:15:04 PM
The term "scorched earth policy" is one taken originally from the lexicon of military warfare and refers to a situation in which a retreating army deliberately destroys any and everything in the area from which it is retreating so as to leave nothing which might be useful to the advancing enemy.
The term was subsequently adopted in business to denote a "takeover prevention strategy in which the target company seeks to make itself less attractive to hostile bidders by selling off assets, taking on high levels of debt or initiating other activities that may damage the company if it is purchased."
It would appear that the present Government is now extending the meaning of the term to the sphere of politics and government. That is the only possible explanation for its haste in bringing before the Parliament, in the last few days before it is prorogued, a slew of bills which can only be described as highly controversial and contentious.
The Government in the last few days has introduced the Industrial Relations Amendment (IRA) Bill, the Cybercrime Bill, and the State Land Regularisation of Tenure Amendments Bill, all of which contain provisions so radically extreme that, if passed, they will be certain to ignite serious protests from various stakeholders and throw the relevant areas of national life into utter turmoil.
The Industrial Relations Amendment Bill, for example, contains such draconian provisions that it has succeeded in bringing together, in opposition to it, both labour umbrella bodies, ie Natuc and Fitun, as well as the Employers Consultative Association.
These three bodies are unquestionably the major stakeholders in industrial relations in this country and their relationship has traditionally been one of antagonism and contention. To see them now unite in opposition to this Bill is a testament to the destructive and disruptive potential of the provisions contained in it.
One provision in particular is aimed like a dagger at the heart of trade unions. This is the provision which allows an employee, who does not even have to be a member of a union, to apply to the Industrial Court for the decertification of that union.
The Cybercrime Bill is no less draconian in its own sphere. According to Alison McKenzie, executive director of the International Press Institute, the bill contains "some problematic provisions that would lead not only to the criminalisation of legitimate journalistic activity but also (to the) disregard (of) fundamental journalistic rights and principles."
One such provision is contained in Clause 21 (2 and 3) of the proposed Bill. This clause states that "anyone who damages the reputation of another person; or subjects another person to public ridicule, contempt, hatred or embarrassment, commits an offence", and faces fines of $100,000 and/or up to three years in jail. Let us not mince matters here. Under this provision every independent and reputable columnist in this country, including yours truly, could end up in jail.
The latest monstrosity to be delivered to Parliament by this Government is the State Land Regularisation of Tenure Amendments Bill. This Bill has been in the works for many years. Now suddenly, three weeks before Parliament is due to be prorogued, the Government introduces it for debate with one drastic and utterly irresponsible change. The Bill, which had previously allowed persons who began squatting on designated State lands prior to January 1, 1998 to have entitlement to the land, now changes the date to June 13, 2014.
This means that thousands more squatters will be entitled to state lands than previously intended. In other words, with that change in date, the Government proposes to give away thousands of acres of state lands to squatters. And if you think this is an exaggeration, please note that the Bill places no limit on the size of the plots which would be regularised nor does it even confine such regularisation to nationals of this country.
What is to be noted is that with all these bills the Government presented no white papers nor did they hold any consultations with key stakeholders. What becomes clear therefore is that the Government deliberately sought to bring these bills to Parliament in the most clandestine and surreptitious manner possible, a design aided and abetted by the irresponsibly foolish strategy of the PNM Opposition to boycott the Parliament.
What is also to be noted is that if these bills should pass into law then the Government, should it win re-election, has, with malice aforethought, armed itself with weapons to use against its enemies. And if it should lose the election then it has left its successor a blackened terrain on which only turmoil can grow
Post by: Sando prince on June 02, 2015, 10:37:07 PM
At the end of the day the electorate have to understand the issues. The common man on the street has to understand what is taking place..
Post by: Bourbon on June 03, 2015, 03:30:56 AM
The question is... Do they? Especially with a consistent distraction and pr campaign?
At the end of the day the electorate have to understand the issues. The common man on the street has to understand what is taking place..
Post by: Deeks on June 03, 2015, 07:14:55 AM
The question is... Do they? Especially with a consistent distraction and pr campaign?
At the end of the day the electorate have to understand the issues. The common man on the street has to understand what is taking place..
Distraction and pr are not illegal.
Post by: Bourbon on June 03, 2015, 04:33:39 PM
The question is... Do they? Especially with a consistent distraction and pr campaign?
At the end of the day the electorate have to understand the issues. The common man on the street has to understand what is taking place..
Distraction and pr are not illegal.
Neither is acceptance of a gift. But doing it could be something that people can have an issue with.
Post by: Bourbon on June 05, 2015, 05:05:20 AM
PM: Nothing wrong with trying to win an election
Published on Jun 4, 2015, 12:01 am AST
By Kim Boodram
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“What’s wrong with trying to win an election?”
The rhetorical question was thrown out by Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar yesterday in Parliament, at Tower D, International Waterfront Centre, port of Spain, as she addressed criticism of her Government’s intention to amend the State Land Regularisation of Tenure (Amendment) Bill and issue letters of comfort to thousands of squatters.
The bill was passed in the Lower House yesterday by Government’s simple majority.
Persad-Bissessar said there was nothing wrong with trying to win an election and her Government went into office after winning an election, with a mandate to improve the lives of the citizenry.
The PM, who two weeks ago announced her intention to amend the bill and accommodate thousands of State land squatters who did not qualify for security under the deadline stip- ulated by the original bill, had also promised to have the legislation ready before Parliament dissolves on June 17, 2015.
There was an argument from some that Government was rushing to pass this and other legislation, Persad-Bissessar said, but pointed out there are other examples of similar activities in the history of the Parliament.
“Everything this Government does, they say we are trying to win an election,” Persad-Bissessar said.
She said, too, the issue of squatting and regularisation was not something she “just came up with” but was a cause she had committed to even while in Opposition, before the last general election in 2010.
A birthright
Persad-Bissessar cited a speech she gave in 2007 when the general election was “in the air” and in which she promised a United National Congress (UNC) Government would not abandon the national land-use policy but would also address the plight of hundreds of squatters who she said were being ripped out of their homes by the then government, the People’s National Movement (PNM).
Persad-Bissessar also hearkened back to a legal case involving more than 100 long-term squat- ters in the Couva area who were removed from former Caroni (1975) Ltd lands by the PNM government, via the State’s Land Settlement Agency (LSA), and whose cause she took up.
That case was eventually won, though she could not herself take part after becoming Prime Minister, Persad-Bissessar said.
The law was intended to afford persons who had long tenure on lands some measure of comfort and the ability to access certain State benefits, Persad-Bissessar said, and also to give those persons a part of their birthright.
She repeated warnings made when she first announced the regularisation drive that Government had mapped its course and the new bill was not a means for persons to acquire lots of land around the country.
Citizens of Trinidad and Tobago with proven tenure would be entitled to one lot of land, she said.
Government has identified up to 451 more squatter sites for processing, Persad-Bissessar said, in addition to more than 200 previous sites, making the drive a massive exercise.
She also said it was “not true” the law would accommodate persons squatting illegally on large parcels on land for business purposes.
Post by: AB.Trini on June 05, 2015, 09:26:07 PM
1. You have a viable ethical governance
2. The government had a viable sustainable plan to eradicate gangs, murders and wanton crime
3. The ministers were competent
4 if this government would ensure that measures were made to solve- the Dana S murder- the missing guns from the forensic Center, recover and be accountable for the money from Life Support program- what became of the woman who was in protective custody? Marchand?, what became of the drugs in the juice And? What about the chicken and drugs?
5 this government would stop propagating the divisive Agenda based on ethnicity
6 would stop blaming last government and star with some concrete plans to improve the social infrastructure
7 would work to improve the cultural recreational and athletic structures and keep politics out- no need to censor Cro Cro or to be vindictive against TTFA because of opposing politics,
8 presented a unified agenda for one TnT
9 showed a sense of decorum and stop the malicious and corruptible propaganda
10. Take a stance to not on.y remove ministers who misappropriate government funds but are tried in the courts
STOP the TRIBAL Politics
Post by: Sando prince on June 09, 2015, 08:30:56 PM
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I will make Manning proud
By Melissa Doughty Tuesday, June 9 2015
Patrick Manning, former prime minister and political leader of the People’s National Movement (PNM), held the San Fernando East constituency for 44 years – the longest serving Member of Parliament.
For the first time, the constituency, which is composed of Pleasantville, Cocoyea and part of Mon Repos, will be without his representation in the next general election.
But it is the hope of his replacement, 36-year-old lawyer Randall Mitchell, community spirit, once lost, will be returned and San Fernando East becomes a model constituency.
Mitchell, a father of two boys, grew up on Fiona St, Cocoyea, but now lives on the Cocoyea main road, was chosen from among four other nominees to become the constituency’s next representative, if elected.
In a telephone interview with Newsday, Mitchell said he had no desire to stay that long as the constituency’s representative, if elected. But, he said, he intended to stay as long as it took to get the job of rebuilding the community done. He also has no political aspirations to become this country’s prime minister or even the party’s political leader. Instead, Mitchell’s focus would be on serving the people.
http://www.newsday.co.tt/features/0,212378.html
Post by: Sando prince on June 12, 2015, 11:51:00 AM
Post by: lefty on June 12, 2015, 12:24:25 PM
lehwe see if mih psychic powers any good ;D
Post by: Sando prince on June 12, 2015, 12:30:07 PM
I saw someone posted an article on FB saying she claims to be too busy to have the debate and Dr Rowley said she panicked but I didn't have time to read the entire article. Ah will look for it later
Post by: Sando prince on June 12, 2015, 12:49:12 PM
BREAKING NEWS: Prime Minister announces Trinidad and Tobago will go to the polls on Monday, September 7th, 2015
Post by: davyjenny1 on June 12, 2015, 03:39:27 PM
Post by: Sando prince on June 12, 2015, 03:52:02 PM
buh Sept 7th is so long from now. Enough time for more PP trickery :D
Post by: Sando prince on June 13, 2015, 10:53:35 AM
MORE people need to EDUCATE themselves on the points! There is no more PP, It is UNC!
https://www.facebook.com/CNC3Television/videos/vb.126206357995/10153398726217996/?type=2&theater (https://www.facebook.com/CNC3Television/videos/vb.126206357995/10153398726217996/?type=2&theater)
Post by: Bourbon on June 14, 2015, 07:17:40 AM
A talk was spreading that she kind of affiliated with the head of the debates commission. The suspicion is that she would get the questions beforehand to prepare. In T&T thats easy to believe.
Basically 3 months of campaigning. Problem is...money could spend like whoa and there would be no parliament to question or hold to account any expenditure. :-\
Who feel labour day more important...let them go.
I just want it to come and go fast. I eh feel I able with 3 months of braying.
And I eh know how this going to end.
Post by: weary1969 on June 14, 2015, 09:31:38 PM
Quick thoughts....
A talk was spreading that she kind of affiliated with the head of the debates commission. The suspicion is that she would get the questions beforehand to prepare. In T&T thats easy to believe.
Basically 3 months of campaigning. Problem is...money could spend like whoa and there would be no parliament to question or hold to account any expenditure. :-\
Who feel labour day more important...let them go.
I just want it to come and go fast. I eh feel I able with 3 months of braying.
And I eh know how this going to end.
Thank God I will out of the madness for 2/52.
Post by: Sando prince on June 16, 2015, 01:43:02 PM
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/T-T-gov-t-minister-quits-coalition-party_19134855 (http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/T-T-gov-t-minister-quits-coalition-party_19134855)
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Political observers in Tobago say the resignation was not surprising given that Jack had been calling on Baker to indicate whether or not he belongs to the party or the newly formed Tobago Forwards headed by former justice minister Christlyn Moore.
General elections are due on September 7, but one TOP official who did not want to be identified said that Baker should also be forced to resign his ministerial position.
Post by: Socapro on June 16, 2015, 02:24:04 PM
By Gail Alexander (T&T Guardian)
Published: Tuesday, June 16, 2015
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ILP's candidate for Lopinot/Bon Air, Nigel Reyes
The Opposition People’s National Movement (PNM) tomorrow will hold its first public meeting since the September 7 general election date was announced by the Prime Minister last week.
Venue is at Piggott’s Corner, Belmont, from 7.30 pm. The venue has been a traditional site for PNM meetings.
PNM general secretary Ashton Ford also said the party was holding an internal meeting to decide on a date this week for screening nominees for Chaguanas East, the last seat in which PNM has to put a candidate in place.
PNM’s other 40 candidates have been campaigning since last year after the party began selecting candidates in seats since last September.
The United National Congress (UNC), the majority coalition partner of the People’s Partnership (PP) Government, held its campaign launch at UNC’s Rienzi Complex headquarters, Couva, last night.
The party is expected to hold weekly Monday night forums until screening of its nominees are completed, officials said. Nominations of potential candidates have been extended to June 26.
UNC so far has received over 500 nominees, UNC general secretary Dave Tancoo said yesterday, adding: “It’s been going very well and from the rate of receipt, I can safely say we expect a boost in nominations closer to the deadline.”
Congress of the People (COP) chairman Jamison Bahadur said the party’s strategy team was meeting last night to finalise its negotiating team to meet with the UNC and other PP units on selection of candidates. He said the COP had received nomination forms from 37 people to date.
However, Tunapuna MP Winston Dookeran, unlikely to contest, is expected to speak about his future very soon, sources said.
Independent Liberal Party political leader Jack Warner said yesterday he would launch his second candidate for La Brea at a meeting there on Thursday. His first candidate—Nigel Reyes for Lopinot—was announced at a meeting in that area last week. Warner said he will also be speaking at a meeting in San Fernando West on Thursday.
Meanwhile, the Alliance of Independents will meet this week to finalise which seats, about 12, it intends to contest and will launch its policies, focusing heavily on a national security thrust, on June 23.
A motorcade is also planned from Diego Martin to Arima as part of its campaign launch.
Post by: lefty on June 16, 2015, 03:03:06 PM
Post by: Socapro on June 16, 2015, 03:19:10 PM
hear jack play ah tape on d weed ting can anyone confirm
Yeap, Jack proved once again that he was not lying.
Go here http://warnertv.net/ and tune into the "Sunshine Hour" on here http://tunein.com/radio/The-Street-919-s88618/ to get more details.
Post by: Brownsugar on June 18, 2015, 06:39:19 PM
Post by: Bakes on June 18, 2015, 07:17:21 PM
hear jack play ah tape on d weed ting can anyone confirm
Yeap, Jack proved once again that he was not lying.
Go here http://warnertv.net/ and tune into the "Sunshine Hour" on here http://tunein.com/radio/The-Street-919-s88618/ to get more details.
What are "Achieved Videos"?
('Archived'? Poor Jack).
Post by: Socapro on June 18, 2015, 11:08:35 PM
hear jack play ah tape on d weed ting can anyone confirm
Yeap, Jack proved once again that he was not lying.
Go here http://warnertv.net/ and tune into the "Sunshine Hour" on here http://tunein.com/radio/The-Street-919-s88618/ to get more details.
What are "Achieved Videos"?
('Archived'? Poor Jack).
Actually he is quite rich and he does not have to personally manage his own website as he can afford to pay staff.
I am sure they would correct spelling if you send them a message as it is obviously a spelling mistake.
Post by: Socapro on June 18, 2015, 11:15:37 PM
Political Calypso Convention scores big (http://www.guardian.co.tt/lifestyle/2015-06-19/political-calypso-convention-scores-big)
By Peter Ray Blood (T&T Guardian)
Published on Jun 18, 2015, 12:01 am AST
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Former National Calypso Monarch Weston Rawlins (Cro Cro) performs during the Political Calypso Convention at the Grand Stand, Queen's Park Savannah, Port-of-Spain, last Sunday evening. PHOTO: MARCUS GONZALES.
When I arrived at the Queen’s Park Savannah on Sunday evening for the Political Calypso Convention concert, I thought I had walked into a PNM rally. The Grand Stand was filled to capacity by 5 pm when the show began at its advertised starting time—so much so that the gates had to be closed, stranding several patrons outside. Many in the audience wore red attire, with some in balisier shirts and others waving PNM flags.
A delinquent sound system almost ruined the show, causing some audience angst and forcing an early intermission to fix the problem. Cardinal was particularly affected and could only render one of his two planned songs. Emceed by Tommy Joseph, Sprangalang, Peter Joseph and Prince, with musical accompaniment by Vincent Rivers & The Soca Unit, the show flowed smoothly.
Not surprisingly, almost all of the calypsoes performed were anti-PP government. Seventeen calypsonians performed, including reigning Extempore Monarch Lingo and Black Sage. All performers were of good voice and seemed to win the favour of the mammoth audience. King Netfa and Brother Musa opened the show.
Many bards won callbacks. The slew of encores began with former joint national monarch Delamo doing a sample on the melody of the late Mighty Power’s popular Ah Coming, its hook line changed to “we coming,” which received two encores. He also sang Take Dey Money and Vote Dem Out. Devon Seales was encored three times for Go Nah; Mr Shak, former monarch Pink Panther and former Soca Monarch Ronnie McIntosh were also encored.
Perennial favourite Cro Cro was the night’s final artiste. He was particularly bitter in song towards Sugar Aloes doing a sample on the melody of Gypsy’s Sinking Ship. The cast also included Rondell Donawa, Gary Cordner, Bro Mudada, Skatie, Karene Asche, Impulse and reigning National Monarch, Chucky.
The Grand Stand erupted in applause when organisers introduced PNM leader Keith Rowley on stage with a handful of candidates for the September 7 general elections, including Camille Regis-Robinson, Fitzgerald Hinds, Edmund Dillon and Glenda Jennings-Smith. Producers of the Political Calypso Convention plan to perform soon in San Fernando and Tobago, and will be back in Port-of-Spain for a grand finale closer to the election date.
Post by: Sando prince on June 21, 2015, 09:22:30 PM
One NACTA prediction poll I will agree with.. The COP is a DEAD party and everyone know dat
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20150620/news/nacta-no-seat-for-cop
Post by: Michael-j on June 22, 2015, 04:48:33 AM
One NACTA prediction poll I will agree with.. The COP is a DEAD party and everyone know dat
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20150620/news/nacta-no-seat-for-cop
I don't think that poll makes any practical sense. The COP isn't contesting the election as an independent entity; they're part of the PP...so the people who (for reasons I cannot understand) are enamored with Kamla will still vote for the COP in order to but that clueless woman back in power. There are people who are willing to put up with poor representation at the constituency level as long as Kamla is PM.
A woman was interviewed on tv a couple weeks back, I can't remember which constituency, and she had the most derogatory things to say about her MP. But when asked if she'll vote for him again her response was an emphatic "yeah!". Why??..." because I like Kamla!" :frustrated: :frustrated:
Some people really deserve what they get. It's unfortunate though that their votes are worth just as much as yours and mine >:(
Post by: Sando prince on June 22, 2015, 07:18:36 AM
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The party is trailing the opposition People’s National Movement (PNM) by significant numbers in five of the six seats it won in May 2010—Arima (Rodger Samuel), D’Abadie/O’Meara (Anil Roberts who resigned last year), Lopinot/Bon Air West (Dr Lincoln Douglas), San Fernando West (Carolyn Seepersad-Bachan), and Tunapuna (Winston Dookeran).
Post by: Sando prince on June 22, 2015, 07:26:03 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/GCu-ifARdqU
Post by: asylumseeker on June 22, 2015, 08:04:37 AM
Post by: Sando prince on June 22, 2015, 08:07:04 AM
... Sando prince, where is de beef?
Is there beef? Look how you bring beef in the thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 22, 2015, 08:23:52 AM
... Sando prince, where is de beef?
Is there beef? Look how you bring beef in the thread
There should be beef.
I eh hear anything of substance. Something like 5 minutes of introductions and then a comment on crime that was not fully developed because the video ended abruptly.
Post by: weary1969 on June 22, 2015, 12:50:20 PM
One NACTA prediction poll I will agree with.. The COP is a DEAD party and everyone know dat
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20150620/news/nacta-no-seat-for-cop
CO-SIGNNNN that mean they eh giving Prakash back St. Agustine let him fight 1 of d marginal and loose and bury d COP. They dead they just eh bury yet.
Post by: Brownsugar on June 22, 2015, 06:05:07 PM
One NACTA prediction poll I will agree with.. The COP is a DEAD party and everyone know dat
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20150620/news/nacta-no-seat-for-cop
CO-SIGNNNN that mean they eh giving Prakash back St. Agustine let him fight 1 of d marginal and loose and bury d COP. They dead they just eh bury yet.
Nah. Prakash will get a safe seat. That's his reward for being a good trojan horse these past 5 years....
Post by: Brownsugar on June 22, 2015, 06:07:50 PM
One NACTA prediction poll I will agree with.. The COP is a DEAD party and everyone know dat
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20150620/news/nacta-no-seat-for-cop
I don't think that poll makes any practical sense. The COP isn't contesting the election as an independent entity; they're part of the PP...so the people who (for reasons I cannot understand) are enamored with Kamla will still vote for the COP in order to but that clueless woman back in power. There are people who are willing to put up with poor representation at the constituency level as long as Kamla is PM.
A woman was interviewed on tv a couple weeks back, I can't remember which constituency, and she had the most derogatory things to say about her MP. But when asked if she'll vote for him again her response was an emphatic "yeah!". Why??..." because I like Kamla!" :frustrated: :frustrated:
Some people really deserve what they get. It's unfortunate though that their votes are worth just as much as yours and mine >:(
The COP is the new NAR.....there is no Pee Pee anymore. People done see through that already. The COP done dead about 3 - 4 years now. Last rites will be performed (again but for the FINAL time) on Sept 7th for them.....
Post by: lefty on June 25, 2015, 12:10:45 PM
So the PM panicked and pulled out of the debate against Dr Rowley? Hmmm
well confirmation d marketing people fraid to let she debate....and d blog trolls done bawlin Rowley questions is d reason steups
tell alyuh
National Debate between PM, Rowley not a done deal (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20150625/news/national-debate-between-pm-rowley-not-a-done-deal#main)
A national debate is needed as there are over 30 per cent of undecided voters who want to hear what the leaders have to say about the issues facing this country says Lorraine O’ Connor, member of the Trinidad and Tobago Debates Commission.
Commission members O’ Connor, Ronald Harford and Angela Persad met with attorney Larry Lalla, Debates Negotiator for Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar at his St Clair office on Tuesday to discuss the proposed leaders’ debate.
Lalla told the Express that the Prime Minister has expressed her willingness to debate People’s National Movement (PNM) leader Dr Keith Rowley by the end of July for the latest.
“The Commission contended that the debate could not be held in the month of July since (1) their proposed August date was pegged to nomination day; (2) it needed time to secure sponsors and (3) it needed time to secure a location,” said Lalla.
“With respect, nomination day is irrelevant for the purpose of a debate between the Prime Minister and the Leader of the Opposition. Their status will not change between now and then and there is no proper reason to await nomination day to host a debate between these two leaders,” he added.
“Further, we are unable to understand why the Chamber of Commerce, with all its resources, would require until August to secure a location or sponsors for such an event. One would think that there would be a rush of sponsors in support of such an important event,” said Lalla.
The Debates Commission, he said, refused to be flexible about the date and the meeting ended.
“We reiterate our belief in the importance of this event and hope that the public will witness a national leaders debate in the month of July, whether hosted by the Chamber of Commerce or some other entity,” said Lalla.
O’Connor said the Debate Commission is flexible and is trying to work to get common ground between all parties.
“It is really important to have this debate as the people who the debate affect would be the undecided, over 30 per cent who want to hear about the issues,” she said.
O’ Connor said further that research has shown that debates help voters decide how they would cast their vote as they hear what the candidates and leaders are proposing in terms of governance, policies and direction that would impact on the lives of citizens and the overall development of the country.
She said the Commission is working towards finding a solution to ensure that the debate takes place because it is in the interest of the people.
O’ Connor also noted that contrary to Lalla’s views, the Debates Commission is not funded by the Chamber of Commerce- the Chamber is in fact a facilitator of the debate but the expenses will have to be footed from the generosity of corporate Trinidad and Tobago who understands the value of a national debate especially with a general election two months away.
O’ Connor said she and other Commission members remain optimistic that a national debate will take place and the population will have the benefit of hearing what their leaders have to offer Trinidad and Tobago.
Post by: Bourbon on June 26, 2015, 02:45:52 PM
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Commission members O’ Connor, Ronald Harford and Angela Persad met with attorney Larry Lalla, Debates Negotiator for Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar at his St Clair office on Tuesday to discuss the proposed leaders’ debate.She cant talk for herself...so she created a post where somebody could speak for her?
Next thing she have a debate viceroy for the Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar.
Any efforts like this done for Rowley or Jack or any other leaders of parties?
Why insist on July?
Is it that they think things going good for now..and dont want to chance it later down?
Post by: asylumseeker on June 26, 2015, 03:07:24 PM
Post by: Brownsugar on June 26, 2015, 03:09:26 PM
Post by: Sando prince on June 26, 2015, 05:39:29 PM
Post by: Bourbon on June 26, 2015, 09:52:41 PM
Post by: Brownsugar on June 27, 2015, 02:23:07 PM
Who file for St augustine? Anybody know?
hhhhhmmmm....... :thinking:
Post by: Sando prince on June 27, 2015, 04:37:40 PM
Garvin Nicholas filed for Diego Martin North East
Brent Sancho filed for Toco/ Sangre Grande
Kelvin Ramnarine filed for Manzanilla
Ganga Singh filed for Changuanas West
PNM candidates for all those areas have been on the ground meeting and listening to residents months now
Post by: Brownsugar on June 27, 2015, 04:54:48 PM
Confirmed
Garvin Nicholas filed for Diego Martin North East
Brent Sancho filed for Toco/ Sangre Grande
Kelvin Ramnarine filed for Manzanilla
Ganga Singh filed for Changuanas West
PNM candidates for all those areas have been on the ground meeting and listening to residents months now
Yeah. Yeah. Ah know bout these.....is St. Augustine ah curious about. Vasant filed his papers but nobody saying which seat he filed for......one rumour had it that he filed for a marginal seat but it is widely thought that he would get St. Augustine.
It is also belived that the COP trojan horse Prakash would get a safe seat but it doesn't seem that way from the names I saw yesterday. So if the UNC shaft Prakash I goh real laugh.....after all dat bamsee licking he do.....
Anywho, I just stocking up on mih popcorn.......... :whistling: :whistling:
Post by: Sando prince on June 27, 2015, 05:03:12 PM
Confirmed
Garvin Nicholas filed for Diego Martin North East
Brent Sancho filed for Toco/ Sangre Grande
Kelvin Ramnarine filed for Manzanilla
Ganga Singh filed for Changuanas West
PNM candidates for all those areas have been on the ground meeting and listening to residents months now
Yeah. Yeah. Ah know bout these.....is St. Augustine ah curious about. Vasant filed his papers but nobody saying which seat he filed for......one rumour had it that he filed for a marginal seat but it is widely thought that he would get St. Augustine.
It is also belived that the COP trojan horse Prakash would get a safe seat but it doesn't seem that way from the names I saw yesterday. So if the UNC shaft Prakash I goh real laugh.....after all dat bamsee licking he do.....
Anywho, I just stocking up on mih popcorn.......... :whistling: :whistling:
UNC seem to be keeping Vasant Bharath request for nomination on a low, maybe because its St Augustine and it will look bad on Prakash but I am also hearing Vasant filed for Tunapauna so we will have to wait and see.
Post by: Bourbon on June 27, 2015, 07:23:10 PM
I eh sure if they go chance vasant in tunapuna.... Cause that is THE marginal seat. Maybe that's the thinking... He has a decent profile so maybe he might be able to pull it but if he doesn't... What then...Confirmed
Garvin Nicholas filed for Diego Martin North East
Brent Sancho filed for Toco/ Sangre Grande
Kelvin Ramnarine filed for Manzanilla
Ganga Singh filed for Changuanas West
PNM candidates for all those areas have been on the ground meeting and listening to residents months now
Yeah. Yeah. Ah know bout these.....is St. Augustine ah curious about. Vasant filed his papers but nobody saying which seat he filed for......one rumour had it that he filed for a marginal seat but it is widely thought that he would get St. Augustine.
It is also belived that the COP trojan horse Prakash would get a safe seat but it doesn't seem that way from the names I saw yesterday. So if the UNC shaft Prakash I goh real laugh.....after all dat bamsee licking he do.....
Anywho, I just stocking up on mih popcorn.......... :whistling: :whistling:
UNC seem to be keeping Vasant Bharath request for nomination on a low, maybe because its St Augustine and it will look bad on Prakash but I am also hearing Vasant filed for Tunapauna so we will have to wait and see.
Prakash.... Well he might not be well liked in St augustine... But they voting kamla. Is if they prefer vasant or Prakash.
Me... I'd take vasant. He was good as minister of agriculture and then they replace him with that shithound devant... And put him in ministry of information where he could only be one thing.
Prakash eh worth much in my view.
Ramnarine was an OK energy minister too. Policy wise... Administration and Bobol... Not So much.
Post by: Sando prince on June 28, 2015, 09:34:32 AM
Funny Garvin Nicholas want to go up agasint Imbert for the third or fourth time. He must like plenty licks :D
Post by: AB.Trini on June 28, 2015, 08:33:44 PM
ConfirmedIt have some of these areas whey dem people lose they ears and power of reasoning- is like dey EH listening or seeing or thinkng of what these candidates represent- people looking fuh "handouts" and they seeing ah set ah yello without understanding the self destructive mode they are contributing to
Garvin Nicholas filed for Diego Martin North East
Brent Sancho filed for Toco/ Sangre Grande
Kelvin Ramnarine filed for Manzanilla
Ganga Singh filed for Changuanas West
PNM candidates for all those areas have been on the ground meeting and listening to residents months now
Post by: Jumbie on June 28, 2015, 09:20:31 PM
ConfirmedIt have some of these areas whey dem people lose they ears and power of reasoning- is like dey EH listening or seeing or thinkng of what these candidates represent- people looking fuh "handouts" and they seeing ah set ah yello without understanding the self destructive mode they are contributing to
Garvin Nicholas filed for Diego Martin North East
Brent Sancho filed for Toco/ Sangre Grande
Kelvin Ramnarine filed for Manzanilla
Ganga Singh filed for Changuanas West
PNM candidates for all those areas have been on the ground meeting and listening to residents months now
basically you're saying nothing has changed in 30 years!
Post by: Sando prince on July 01, 2015, 05:38:51 PM
Post by: AB.Trini on July 01, 2015, 11:46:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/nDjGiegKBOQ&feature=autoshare
Very thoughtful and engaging to listen to one who focused on the issues with facts rather than listening to innuendoes, blaming, and personal unwarranted attacks.
I really do think there are many people who are walking around TnT under the influence of cupcakes .
Post by: Sando prince on July 02, 2015, 01:40:31 PM
^^ I like the correlation he made between shaking Jack hands and taking a cup cake from Kamla :D
Post by: Brownsugar on July 03, 2015, 04:10:02 PM
Steups!!!
Post by: Bourbon on July 03, 2015, 05:52:13 PM
Aye!!! New political party on de scene.....The Third Force.....with a setta recycled COP personalities just really fronting for the UNC......Normal. I realise that's the plan from long time. A so called third force or party to woo the so called undecided and then use that for the Unc.
Steups!!!
Didn't Gary Griffith admit he was getting in contact with Jack to be a mediator between the PP and Jack? Look at the components... So called neutrals... Ent one on a state Board? Ent another was or is part of the propaganda machinery under the guise of social activist?
Post by: Bourbon on July 03, 2015, 09:20:34 PM
Post by: Brownsugar on July 04, 2015, 06:58:45 AM
Aye!!! New political party on de scene.....The Third Force.....with a setta recycled COP personalities just really fronting for the UNC......Normal. I realise that's the plan from long time. A so called third force or party to woo the so called undecided and then use that for the Unc.
Steups!!!
Didn't Gary Griffith admit he was getting in contact with Jack to be a mediator between the PP and Jack? Look at the components... So called neutrals... Ent one on a state Board? Ent another was or is part of the propaganda machinery under the guise of social activist?
To add insult to injury go to the TURD force movement's website....
www.thirdforcemovement.com (http://www.thirdforcemovement.com)
Post by: Bakes on July 04, 2015, 11:43:37 AM
To add insult to injury go to the TURD force movement's website....
www.thirdforcemovement.com (http://www.thirdforcemovement.com)
Nah! Somebody have to be messing with them... they can't be that transparent. Turd Farce Movement.
Post by: Brownsugar on July 05, 2015, 05:47:25 AM
To add insult to injury go to the TURD force movement's website....
www.thirdforcemovement.com (http://www.thirdforcemovement.com)
Nah! Somebody have to be messing with them... they can't be that transparent. Turd Farce Movement.
Yeah. Ah fella admitted to pranking them......
Post by: Controversial on July 05, 2015, 04:17:22 PM
Whoever pranking them have no sense in their head... Linking it to a cricket site only makes the Pnm as a party look bad and viewed as a party that stereotypes... Because the first thing that will happen is someone will say Pnm is up to it... Last time I checked every race and religion plays this sport in TT and it wasn't invented by a certain race being targeted on the site..
Race politics are a thing of the past for progressive democracies but some seem happy to vote based on this on this board.. Callous acts won't help an election campaign.. I amount this to a subtle move in the direction of a Trumpesque action....
Post by: AB.Trini on July 05, 2015, 07:08:03 PM
Hmmmm
Whoever pranking them have no sense in their head... Linking it to a cricket site only makes the Pnm as a party look bad and viewed as a party that stereotypes... Because the first thing that will happen is someone will say Pnm is up to it... Last time I checked every race and religion plays this sport in TT and it wasn't invented by a certain race being targeted on the site..
Race politics are a thing of the past for progressive democracies but some seem happy to vote based on this on this board.. Callous acts won't help an election campaign.. I amount this to a subtle move in the direction of a Trumpesque action....
Yuh does always find someway toblamePNM PNM - yuh true "yelow colours" really showing - why you eh Just sign yuh card, collect yuh payout and join the corruption likeah boss🐗
Post by: Controversial on July 05, 2015, 10:05:54 PM
Hmmmm
Whoever pranking them have no sense in their head... Linking it to a cricket site only makes the Pnm as a party look bad and viewed as a party that stereotypes... Because the first thing that will happen is someone will say Pnm is up to it... Last time I checked every race and religion plays this sport in TT and it wasn't invented by a certain race being targeted on the site..
Race politics are a thing of the past for progressive democracies but some seem happy to vote based on this on this board.. Callous acts won't help an election campaign.. I amount this to a subtle move in the direction of a Trumpesque action....
Yuh does always find someway toblamePNM PNM - yuh true "yelow colours" really showing - why you hen. Just sing yuh ardo collect yuh payout and join the corruption likeahblight boss🐗
i'm not a blind partisan supporter like yourself, who made racist remarks against their fellow trinidadians... so let's get something straight here... someone hacking a website and doing something low, undermining, stereotyping a party is not going to win you an election...
I don't belong to any party but it's obvious what party you belong to and what you condone, so instead of outing racism, you throw gasoline in an already raging fire of hate... congrats AB Trini, you have indeed shown your true colors...
Post by: Socapro on July 05, 2015, 10:32:43 PM
By Renuka Singh (T&T Guardian)
Published: Sunday, July 5, 2015
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p12/Socapro/Jack%20Warner%20greets%20a%20resident%20of%20Enterprise%20Chaguanas%20during%20ILP%20walkabout.jpg) (http://s124.photobucket.com/user/Socapro/media/Jack%20Warner%20greets%20a%20resident%20of%20Enterprise%20Chaguanas%20during%20ILP%20walkabout.jpg.html)
ILP leader Jack Warner greets a resident of Enterprise, Chaguanas, during his walkabout yesterday. Photo: ABRAHAM DIAZ
A planned walkabout in embattled Enterprise, Chaguanas, by Independent Liberal Party (ILP) leader Jack Warner yesterday upstaged an impromptu walkabout in the same area by Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar.
Warner and his ILP supporters walked right past the Postman Grounds where Persad-Bissessar and several top cops met with the residents to deliver football uniforms to the Crown Trace Football Club. The team has a game in Orlando, Florida, and the cost of flights and uniforms is being offset by the Government.
Even as Persad-Bissessar began her own walkabout moments behind Warner and took the same path that he did, she was met with a much different reaction.
She was joined by Minister of National Security, retired brigadier general Carl Alfonso; acting Commissioner of Police Stephen Williams; Chief of Defence Staff Major General Kenrick Maharaj; Central Division Snr Supt Johnny Abraham; and a 20-vehicle convoy. She was also accompanied by Chaguanas Mayor Gopaul Boodhan and MP for the area, Stephen Cadiz.
Warner was welcomed and cheered while very few people came forward to meet Persad-Bissessar and Cadiz.
The Sunday Guardian spoke with several residents, all of whom declined to allow photographs or give their names.
“Walking around now not helping we when we belly burning when the night come eh sister. People want jobs, people want to eat, drink and all they doing is talk,” one man said.
When asked why Warner was welcomed while Persad-Bissessar was given a colder reception, he said they were “accustomed seeing Warner in the back here.”
“We always seeing Warner, he was here a few times already just this week,” he said.
Another man refused to speak to the media but stood some distance away saying that the area remained neglected for years. When approached by Cadiz he kept stepping back, telling Cadiz that he didn’t know him and should leave him alone. “We never seen him in the back here,” one man said.
Another said that they needed jobs, income, food and help in the Enterprise area.
Warner has met quietly with several of the alleged gang leaders in the area over the past week and said that Persad-Bissessar was making the crime situation “political.”
“It’s only on election time we seeing them,” Warner said. “We didn’t tell anyone that we visit the area, we tell no one that we talk with the men in the various sections.”
Post by: asylumseeker on July 06, 2015, 02:09:37 AM
Post by: Socapro on July 06, 2015, 06:02:39 AM
Abraham Diaz secured a photo that many politicians would bristle at, or run from. Also fodder for John Oliver. Buh Jack eh care. :) Green is green he saying.
Jamaica has legalized the procession of small quantities of marijuana to help free up their legal system to concentrate on serious crime and most progressive countries are considering its legalization.
Plus Kamla wants to marry warner based on the find at her home that they were trying to keep quiet so why should Mr Warner the Green man care about what a member of the public is wearing once it’s similar to his ILP party colours and suggest support for his party? :-)
Post by: AB.Trini on July 06, 2015, 06:13:36 PM
You must know what blind partisan politics I adhering too! You must be a mystic or obeah man you want to talk colours and racism- ummm look at the politics yuh advocating for - look to the cabal look to theresent leadership we have in the various ministerial and see for your self what is being said and done then come back in here and be objective -Hmmmm
Whoever pranking them have no sense in their head... Linking it to a cricket site only makes the Pnm as a party look bad and viewed as a party that stereotypes... Because the first thing that will happen is someone will say Pnm is up to it... Last time I checked every race and religion plays this sport in TT and it wasn't invented by a certain race being targeted on the site..
Race politics are a thing of the past for progressive democracies but some seem happy to vote based on this on this board.. Callous acts won't help an election campaign.. I amount this to a subtle move in the direction of a Trumpesque action....
Yuh does always find someway toblamePNM PNM - yuh true "yelow colours" really showing - why you hen. Just sing yuh ardo collect yuh payout and join the corruption likeahblight boss🐗
i'm not a blind partisan supporter like yourself, who made racist remarks against their fellow trinidadians... so let's get something straight here... someone hacking a website and doing something low, undermining, stereotyping a party is not going to win you an election...
I don't belong to any party but it's obvious what party you belong to and what you condone, so instead of outing racism, you throw gasoline in an already raging fire of hate... congrats AB Trini, you have indeed shown your true colors...
I have said over and over again we are a pluralistic society- with a history of diversity - it matters little as to the ethnicity of our leaders what matters is how fair just and impartial they are in reducing marginality, and creating equitable opportunities for all to engage and participate in all aspects of society. How are the disenfranchised and lower socio economical class fearing in society? How are they dealing with disproportionate contracts and payouts to certain contractors? Who are the ones that are profiting from government handouts? Which constituents are being ignored because they voted for a different party?
Let' s talk about these issues not distracting by calling up the " race card" that is too simplistic to default to - talk real talk and study what is really happening as oppose to get swamped by the gloss and propaganda. Yes before you call the kettle black check out your pot dey - yuh simmering too much under the heat.
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=63001.msg905946#msg905946
Post by: Jumbie on July 06, 2015, 07:51:30 PM
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You must know what blind partisan politics I adhering too! You must be a mystic or obeah man you want to talk colours and racism- ummm look at the politics yuh advocating for - look to the cabal look to theresent leadership we have in the various ministerial and see for your self what is being said and done then come back in here and be objective -
I have said over and over again we are a pluralistic society- with a history of diversity - it matters little as to the ethnicity of our leaders what matters is how fair just and impartial they are in reducing marginality, and creating equitable opportunities for all to engage and participate in all aspects of society. How are the disenfranchised and lower socio economical class fearing in society? How are they dealing with disproportionate contracts and payouts to certain contractors? Who are the ones that are profiting from government handouts? Which constituents are being ignored because they voted for a different party?
Let' s talk about these issues not distracting by calling up the " race card" that is too simplistic to default to - talk real talk and study what is really happening as oppose to get swamped by the gloss and propaganda. Yes before you call the kettle black check out your pot dey - yuh simmering too much under the heat.
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=63001.msg905946#msg905946
yet again you're confirming that not much changed in 25+ years!
Post by: Controversial on July 06, 2015, 10:06:31 PM
You must know what blind partisan politics I adhering too! You must be a mystic or obeah man you want to talk colours and racism- ummm look at the politics yuh advocating for - look to the cabal look to theresent leadership we have in the various ministerial and see for your self what is being said and done then come back in here and be objective -Hmmmm
Whoever pranking them have no sense in their head... Linking it to a cricket site only makes the Pnm as a party look bad and viewed as a party that stereotypes... Because the first thing that will happen is someone will say Pnm is up to it... Last time I checked every race and religion plays this sport in TT and it wasn't invented by a certain race being targeted on the site..
Race politics are a thing of the past for progressive democracies but some seem happy to vote based on this on this board.. Callous acts won't help an election campaign.. I amount this to a subtle move in the direction of a Trumpesque action....
Yuh does always find someway toblamePNM PNM - yuh true "yelow colours" really showing - why you hen. Just sing yuh ardo collect yuh payout and join the corruption likeahblight boss🐗
i'm not a blind partisan supporter like yourself, who made racist remarks against their fellow trinidadians... so let's get something straight here... someone hacking a website and doing something low, undermining, stereotyping a party is not going to win you an election...
I don't belong to any party but it's obvious what party you belong to and what you condone, so instead of outing racism, you throw gasoline in an already raging fire of hate... congrats AB Trini, you have indeed shown your true colors...
I have said over and over again we are a pluralistic society- with a history of diversity - it matters little as to the ethnicity of our leaders what matters is how fair just and impartial they are in reducing marginality, and creating equitable opportunities for all to engage and participate in all aspects of society. How are the disenfranchised and lower socio economical class fearing in society? How are they dealing with disproportionate contracts and payouts to certain contractors? Who are the ones that are profiting from government handouts? Which constituents are being ignored because they voted for a different party?
Let' s talk about these issues not distracting by calling up the " race card" that is too simplistic to default to - talk real talk and study what is really happening as oppose to get swamped by the gloss and propaganda. Yes before you call the kettle black check out your pot dey - yuh simmering too much under the heat.
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=63001.msg905946#msg905946
why don't you address the underlying message the hacker was trying to get across by hacking the site and stop deflecting and sidestepping the act itself... I don't have all day to read your vast compilation of rubbish... don't waste my time, get to the point...
i don't respond to ignorant uneducated conversations that lead to nowhere, if you don't understand simple english and the point i was making... hard luck... because you even further prove you are a relic in the age of technology and progressive opinion and thought
Post by: AB.Trini on July 06, 2015, 11:44:21 PM
Deal with the issues of your said allegations- now you are resorting to faulty generalizations and attacking a person you do not know. Typical emotional outburst rather than looking objectively at the issues. Anyhow lets beg to disagree and call it a day - I am not into petty pissing parties(PPP) 😄You must know what blind partisan politics I adhering too! You must be a mystic or obeah man you want to talk colours and racism- ummm look at the politics yuh advocating for - look to the cabal look to theresent leadership we have in the various ministerial and see for your self what is being said and done then come back in here and be objective -Hmmmm
Whoever pranking them have no sense in their head... Linking it to a cricket site only makes the Pnm as a party look bad and viewed as a party that stereotypes... Because the first thing that will happen is someone will say Pnm is up to it... Last time I checked every race and religion plays this sport in TT and it wasn't invented by a certain race being targeted on the site..
Race politics are a thing of the past for progressive democracies but some seem happy to vote based on this on this board.. Callous acts won't help an election campaign.. I amount this to a subtle move in the direction of a Trumpesque action....
Yuh does always find someway toblamePNM PNM - yuh true "yelow colours" really showing - why you hen. Just sing yuh ardo collect yuh payout and join the corruption likeahblight boss🐗
i'm not a blind partisan supporter like yourself, who made racist remarks against their fellow trinidadians... so let's get something straight here... someone hacking a website and doing something low, undermining, stereotyping a party is not going to win you an election...
I don't belong to any party but it's obvious what party you belong to and what you condone, so instead of outing racism, you throw gasoline in an already raging fire of hate... congrats AB Trini, you have indeed shown your true colors...
I have said over and over again we are a pluralistic society- with a history of diversity - it matters little as to the ethnicity of our leaders what matters is how fair just and impartial they are in reducing marginality, and creating equitable opportunities for all to engage and participate in all aspects of society. How are the disenfranchised and lower socio economical class fearing in society? How are they dealing with disproportionate contracts and payouts to certain contractors? Who are the ones that are profiting from government handouts? Which constituents are being ignored because they voted for a different party?
Let' s talk about these issues not distracting by calling up the " race card" that is too simplistic to default to - talk real talk and study what is really happening as oppose to get swamped by the gloss and propaganda. Yes before you call the kettle black check out your pot dey - yuh simmering too much under the heat.
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=63001.msg905946#msg905946
why don't you address the underlying message the hacker was trying to get across by hacking the site and stop deflecting and sidestepping the act itself... I don't have all day to read your vast compilation of rubbish... don't waste my time, get to the point...
i don't respond to ignorant uneducated conversations that lead to nowhere, if you don't understand simple english and the point i was making... hard luck... because you even further prove you are a relic in the age of technology and progressive opinion and thought
Post by: Socapro on July 07, 2015, 05:06:00 AM
Monday, July 6 2015 (T&T Newsday)
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STICK WITH ME: ILP Political Leader Jack Warner greets residents of the Chaguanas East
Constituency during a walkabout on Thursday. Author: Vashti Singh
Independent Liberal Party (ILP) leader, Jack Warner, has launched a frontal attack on President Anthony Carmona describing him of being unworthy of office for rejecting criticisms of his handling of the Integrity Commission (IC) as “rum-shop logic”.
At an ILP cottage meeting at Enterprise in Chaguanas West constituency last Thursday night, Warner alleged that Carmona was the country’s worst-ever President and must exit office along with Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar.
After the IC said it was ending its Emailgate probe, IC member Justice Sebastien Ventour resigned in dissent saying outstanding emails remain to be investigated, while Dr Shelly Anne Lalchan resigned citing “personal reasons”.
In last May’s impasse, Opposition Leader, Dr Keith Rowley, had urged the whole IC be reconstituted, but on July 1 President Carmona opted to just swear in new members to fill the two IC slots, attorney Rajeev Persad and retired educator, Angela Young Lai.
“I became very incensed when the President of this country could refer to those persons who oppose him as having ‘rumshop logic’. If he has rumshop friends, that is his business. If he was appointed by a rumshop government, that is his business. But it is wrong for him to lump all those persons who sensibly oppose him as ‘rumshop logic’.” Warner gave his view of what really was “rumshop logic.” “When he decides to appoint two persons to a Commission that has been tainted, that is rumshop logic. When he decides to appoint two persons to a Commission 67 days before a general election, when you know you have to consult the Prime Minister and the Leader of the Opposition and (that) Kamla would be neither, he appointed them all the same — 67 days to go — that is rumshop logic.
“If anything today is a national embarrassment, that President is,” Warner said.
“It’s not possible but if it were possible, he and Kamla should leave together.” Warner vowed to do an editorial on Carmona in this week’s Sunshine.
Talking to reporters later, he criticised Carmona as lacking moral authority due to his $28,000 housing allowance received when living in State-supplied housing at Flagstaff Hill.
Saying all TT’s institutions are falling to pieces including education and the family, Warner alleged that Carmona has destroyed the Presidency. “He’s a one-term President”. Newsday asked if Warner risked public chiding by attacking the Head of State?
“The Head of State has no concern about doing that to the public. He has no concern about alienating the public (so) why should I have any concern about him.
Talking about the public, I am the grassroots; I am the man in the street, and therefore since he has lost the common touch and I have not, I have to remind him about that.”
Post by: Sando prince on July 07, 2015, 08:23:33 PM
Rowley: Third force a wolf in sheeps clothing
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20150707/news/rowley-third-force-a-wolf-in-sheep-clothing
THE newly formed Third Force Movement (TFM) is a next United National Congress (UNC) ?wolf in sheep's clothing?, Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley has said.
The TFM will not win a polling division far less a seat in the parliament, Rowley said.
He made the statement on Monday night as the People's National Movement (PNM) held its ?A conversation with Dr Keith Rowley? event in St Joseph.
Rowley described the People's Partnership coalition party the Congress of the People (COP) as the ?biggest political disappointment in the Commonwealth? with a ?leader that sold its membership down the river to preserve a seat?.
Rowley then trained his guns on the TFM which was formed on Friday.
Former senate president Hamel-Smith is the party's chairman.
?You saw a political party being formed under Timothy Hamel-Smith let me tell you what that is, ask Mr Hamel Smith a question, is it that he has abandoned the COP and the COP principles? If the answer is yes then he is agreeing with the PNM that the COP is not worthy of your vote.
?And secondly how much of a UNC is that party? Let me tell you what that party is. That is a party led by Mr Hamel-Smith, who was as much a (People's) Partnership man as any Partnership could be but he only recently was in the bosom of the UNC seeking for his place in the UNC and still is but they know that there are people out there who voted for COP in the last election, they know that those persons cannot properly be encouraged to vote for the UNC again,? Rowley said.
Rowley said the purpose of the TFM is to ?siphon? away PNM votes.
?They know that those persons are likely to vote for the PNM so Mr Hamel-Smith and his group and the UNC conspired to form a political party with no hope whatsoever of winning a seat or a polling division no where in the country but in particular constituencies those persons who they believe will now in 2015 vote for the PNM they are hoping to siphon them off.
?They cannot ask them to vote for the UNC but they are hoping to siphon them away from the PNM so that their votes would not count in other words it is another UNC wolf in sheep clothing,? he said.
Rowley called on those who voted for the COP in the 2010 general election to choose the PNM this time around.
?But tonight I want to say to all those persons to all those persons who voted for the COP in the last election, who watched the COP encourage the UNC in its corrupt practice, in its maladministration, in whatever they have done wrong the PNM is saying that you are citizens of Trinidad and Tobago and the option for public administration for the next five years now that we have agreed that you cannot support the UNC and that there is no other option, the option you have available to you is the low serving People's National Movement.
?So you have to watch them very carefully it is all one design,? he said.
Post by: Bourbon on July 09, 2015, 07:06:43 AM
Post by: Sando prince on July 13, 2015, 12:44:30 PM
https://m.facebook.com/146990948676187/photos/a.148193578555924.29152.146990948676187/911003035608304/?type=1&theater
I seeing a union between PP and Third Force :)
Post by: Sando prince on July 13, 2015, 02:24:29 PM
Man how I miss this ;D
This is one of the best speeches ah see on de campaign trail this election
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiW31eWNxoo
Post by: Bourbon on July 13, 2015, 06:22:23 PM
Ray Charles could see that... And he blind and dead.https://m.facebook.com/146990948676187/photos/a.148193578555924.29152.146990948676187/911003035608304/?type=1&theater
I seeing a union between PP and Third Force :)
Post by: Socapro on July 14, 2015, 06:11:43 AM
Ray Charles could see that... And he blind and dead.https://m.facebook.com/146990948676187/photos/a.148193578555924.29152.146990948676187/911003035608304/?type=1&theater
I seeing a union between PP and Third Force :)
The PP government believes that the Trinidad general public is very gullible.
And they have been embolden by all the criminal activities that they have been able to get away with since being in power and still being able to tell the country that your government is working for you.
In any serious nation the general public would have gone on continuous strikes and would have demanded that elections was called years ago not long after the illegal SoE was called and over 8,000 Black youths were innocently locked up without evidence of them doing anything illegal.
This PP government is pee peeing on the general population and calling it rain.
Post by: Sando prince on July 14, 2015, 06:20:08 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/zl5sop8KRyU
Post by: weary1969 on July 14, 2015, 02:08:11 PM
Ray Charles could see that... And he blind and dead.https://m.facebook.com/146990948676187/photos/a.148193578555924.29152.146990948676187/911003035608304/?type=1&theater
I seeing a union between PP and Third Force :)
Hey that is my line.
Post by: mukumsplau on July 14, 2015, 07:52:32 PM
all i can say is we have some very short sighted and narrow minded people in this country
Post by: Bourbon on July 14, 2015, 08:46:15 PM
i see ppl pongin rowley for wanting to setup a plywood industry in la breaYeah well that's how things are. They rather ttec give tgu money daily for underutilized power and have nothing to show for it
all i can say is we have some very short sighted and narrow minded people in this country
Post by: mukumsplau on July 14, 2015, 09:19:09 PM
i see ppl pongin rowley for wanting to setup a plywood industry in la breaYeah well that's how things are. They rather ttec give tgu money daily for underutilized power and have nothing to show for it
all i can say is we have some very short sighted and narrow minded people in this country
i thank God is Eric who had to make the call on what to do with our oil n gas and not a UNC forefather
Post by: Brownsugar on July 15, 2015, 05:49:21 AM
i see ppl pongin rowley for wanting to setup a plywood industry in la breaYeah well that's how things are. They rather ttec give tgu money daily for underutilized power and have nothing to show for it
all i can say is we have some very short sighted and narrow minded people in this country
They want him to say he bringing back the Smelter so they could find another line of attack.......
Post by: lefty on July 15, 2015, 10:42:03 AM
maybe dey cum too early ;D :D
Post by: Sando prince on July 15, 2015, 12:47:27 PM
SMDH steups http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20150715/news/the-third-force-movement-pulls-out
maybe dey cum too early ;D :D
:D dem remind me of a man who was told to go stage jus to make up time for the main artists to get demselves ready oui
Post by: Bourbon on July 15, 2015, 04:27:06 PM
Post by: Brownsugar on July 15, 2015, 05:34:49 PM
Well people make them out for what they are. Makes no sense. It would be interesting what happens as a result in Diego Martin west as a result.
The same thing that was always going to happen. Dr. Rowley putting pure cutarse on all comers........
Post by: Socapro on July 16, 2015, 11:20:09 AM
:thumbsup:Well people make them out for what they are. Makes no sense. It would be interesting what happens as a result in Diego Martin west as a result.
The same thing that was always going to happen. Dr. Rowley putting pure cutarse on all comers........
Post by: Bourbon on July 16, 2015, 03:20:05 PM
I was actually talking about how many candidates there would be. PEA and a COP? I dunno about the UNC and their plans for it but with the Turd flushed as it should be.... What implications arise for their master plan?Well people make them out for what they are. Makes no sense. It would be interesting what happens as a result in Diego Martin west as a result.
The same thing that was always going to happen. Dr. Rowley putting pure cutarse on all comers........
Post by: Jumbie on July 16, 2015, 04:20:40 PM
Post by: Bourbon on July 18, 2015, 11:39:42 PM
Post by: lefty on July 19, 2015, 07:28:14 AM
Post by: Sando prince on July 20, 2015, 08:52:04 AM
https://www.facebook.com/674403209330734/photos/a.681874898583565.1073741828.674403209330734/696681463769575/?type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/674403209330734/photos/a.681874898583565.1073741828.674403209330734/696681463769575/?type=1&theater)
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11760279_696681463769575_6489564232735609787_n.jpg?oh=6d2d338f2a7f1f783151abc1d9c36062&oe=5647FF22)
Post by: Brownsugar on July 20, 2015, 09:53:21 AM
Dem call ah press conference to launch ah demonise Rowley campaign.....no seriously. As if all that they have done before eh enough ah guess dey feel the need to ramp it up......they will be using the same ole Manning vs. Rowley footage from 2010 and more.......hear nah. Who advising these clowns??
Who de hell is Rodney Charles?? Why the UNC feel he is their saviour??
Hear nah.....Sept 7th cyar come fass enough....after 5 firetrucking years, the best you can do as an election campaign strategy is demonise Rowley??!!
Sooooo the Children's Hopsital they boasting about, or the increase in Water Supply or the Highway to Point or putting Kamla's face on every blasted thing (I feel I goh see she face on the ballot paper too.....) eh wukking den??
Hear nah......Sept 7th come fass.....ppppllleeeeaaasseeeee!!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/v/Hrdv0JYBvwc
Post by: Brownsugar on July 20, 2015, 10:08:46 AM
http://norowley.com/ (http://norowley.com/)
Post by: Bourbon on July 20, 2015, 12:19:47 PM
Post by: weary1969 on July 20, 2015, 01:17:02 PM
They speaking to a certain segment that seems for whatever reason to have a pellucid fear of Rowley. And plus that is the only plan they had since 2010. Then was Manning. Now is Dr. Rowley.
Yes Manning was soft Rowley go jail them and throw way the key that is their fear. I will believe it when I see it.
Post by: Bourbon on July 20, 2015, 06:26:44 PM
Post by: lefty on July 20, 2015, 06:51:29 PM
http://www.cnc3.co.tt/news/pms-team-makes-29-demands-leaders-debate
if marketing can't control it dey doh want it
Post by: Controversial on July 20, 2015, 08:13:26 PM
What essentially is PNM going to do better than PP? In terms of their platform and improving the state of our nation, in terms of crime, managing resources, improving race relations and governance..
It doesn't bode too well for PNM with Tim kee being there and his track record thus far with our national football..
Post by: pull stones on July 21, 2015, 01:05:38 AM
So serious question to all the PNM supporters, if the doctor manage to pull victory out of the general this year..was browsing for football news and there was none to be found and then i saw this. normally i don't do politics but i am bored. as for your question mr versial i suggest you youtube rowley 2015 and you would find a list of speeches where he talks about all his plans including crime. i think above has a few speeches that i have watched some weeks ago, i found it be to interesting maybe you can too.
What essentially is PNM going to do better than PP? In terms of their platform and improving the state of our nation, in terms of crime, managing resources, improving race relations and governance..
It doesn't bode too well for PNM with Tim kee being there and his track record thus far with our national football..
Post by: Sando prince on July 21, 2015, 05:42:51 AM
http://www.cnc3.co.tt/news/pms-team-makes-29-demands-leaders-debate
she is ah joker
Post by: Sando prince on July 21, 2015, 05:49:08 AM
Confirmed that Vasant Bharath will be contesting St Joseph (should be interesting)
and Brent Sancho will be contesting Toco/ Sangre Grande
Post by: Controversial on July 21, 2015, 02:33:58 PM
So serious question to all the PNM supporters, if the doctor manage to pull victory out of the general this year..was browsing for football news and there was none to be found and then i saw this. normally i don't do politics but i am bored. as for your question mr versial i suggest you youtube rowley 2015 and you would find a list of speeches where he talks about all his plans including crime. i think above has a few speeches that i have watched some weeks ago, i found it be to interesting maybe you can too.
What essentially is PNM going to do better than PP? In terms of their platform and improving the state of our nation, in terms of crime, managing resources, improving race relations and governance..
It doesn't bode too well for PNM with Tim kee being there and his track record thus far with our national football..
nah nah nah... let the supporters tell us why they are voting for their party and what their party will do to improve the state of our nation...
people does have real talk when it comes to criticizing and condemning but give them a chance to elaborate why one is better than the other and what really is our nation gaining by supporting their party over the other party... especially since a fellow supporter of theirs is ruining our football at the moment and can't even run the organization, but they want the same man to be a part of the team that runs our nation...
or here is a better question, what will the pnm do different to this current government that will improve our nation...
neutrality for me when it concerns football and politics and also objectively assessing who will really do the job...
i'm waiting...
Post by: Controversial on July 21, 2015, 02:45:59 PM
http://www.cnc3.co.tt/news/pms-team-makes-29-demands-leaders-debate
she is ah joker
why is that?? for all the non poli sci majors in the house, making certain demands for a national debate prior to the GE is customary and standard... the demands are not unreasonable and that is political strategy... people in TT so backward sometimes, not referring to you sando in particular but they feel this a woodford square type scenario...
Post by: Sando prince on July 21, 2015, 02:56:34 PM
Post by: Sando prince on July 21, 2015, 02:58:57 PM
Who file for St augustine? Anybody know?
Confirmed. Prakash wil be contesting St Augustine again. I heard COP only contesting five seats. Look at where this party reach :D
Post by: Controversial on July 21, 2015, 09:20:04 PM
^^ I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and think you did not even read her list of demands. So once again I am giving you the benefit of the doubt instead of easily embarrassing you. Again I repeat she is ah joker
i believe i only saw 2 demands in all honesty... can you list the demands so at least we can see what is ridiculous about it...
Post by: Sando prince on July 22, 2015, 05:47:05 AM
^^ I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and think you did not even read her list of demands. So once again I am giving you the benefit of the doubt instead of easily embarrassing you. Again I repeat she is ah joker
i believe i only saw 2 demands in all honesty... can you list the demands so at least we can see what is ridiculous about it...
well before yuh jump out yuh hole and talk about people in TT backward you should have took the time to read what you actually responding to .. yuh don't think so ? :D yuh quick to come wine in ah dance and be ah bacchanalist
Now go and research all PP 29 requests before yuh embarrass yourself again
Post by: Controversial on July 22, 2015, 08:06:02 AM
^^ I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and think you did not even read her list of demands. So once again I am giving you the benefit of the doubt instead of easily embarrassing you. Again I repeat she is ah joker
i believe i only saw 2 demands in all honesty... can you list the demands so at least we can see what is ridiculous about it...
well before yuh jump out yuh hole and talk about people in TT backward you should have took the time to read what you actually responding to .. yuh don't think so ? :D yuh quick to come wine in ah dance and be ah bacchanalist
Now go and research all PP 29 requests before yuh embarrass yourself again
I looked at over 20 articles and listened to the news and no one listed all 29 requests... I also read PNM agreed with some of them as well..
So hopefully I will find them, if you have an article listing them, post it...
Post by: Brownsugar on July 22, 2015, 10:22:21 AM
and Brent Sancho will be contesting Toco/ Sangre Grande
And I hope the cutarse is epic.......
Post by: weary1969 on July 22, 2015, 10:46:24 AM
and Brent Sancho will be contesting Toco/ Sangre Grande
And I hope the cutarse is epic.......
Just as you responsible for Tobago East I have my person in Toco/Sangre Grande who responsible for insuring his defeat.
Post by: Controversial on July 22, 2015, 10:48:31 AM
and Brent Sancho will be contesting Toco/ Sangre Grande
And I hope the cutarse is epic.......
Just as you responsible for Tobago East I have my person in Toco/Sangre Grande who responsible for insuring his defeat.
you have someone to ensure Tim Kee do a good job for our football as well? ???
Post by: Sando prince on July 22, 2015, 12:52:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/s6lAOxEdZhc
Post by: Sando prince on July 22, 2015, 12:56:36 PM
Post by: Controversial on July 22, 2015, 03:01:33 PM
^^ Best speech so far for the election. He responded to the UNC attacks and talked about some of PNM future policies
Don't be mystified by false prophets in our nation...
Rowley love Morvant so much, why doesn't he address the property devaluation behind the bridge, walk 50 meters and the property value increases substantially.
The poor suffer in pos and have continued so under mostly PNM.. Unc is no different..
Having the gift of the gab will not mystify me.. One day I will produce a documentary on the real lives in the ghetto and what PNM has done or hasn't done ...
The rail was disregarded under PNM no now they want to bring it back..
Post by: Bourbon on July 22, 2015, 03:56:14 PM
Well since you can't spare three minutes... The non negotiable demands listed in the news report (13 explicitly mentioned):^^ I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and think you did not even read her list of demands. So once again I am giving you the benefit of the doubt instead of easily embarrassing you. Again I repeat she is ah joker
i believe i only saw 2 demands in all honesty... can you list the demands so at least we can see what is ridiculous about it...
well before yuh jump out yuh hole and talk about people in TT backward you should have took the time to read what you actually responding to .. yuh don't think so ? :D yuh quick to come wine in ah dance and be ah bacchanalist
Now go and research all PP 29 requests before yuh embarrass yourself again
I looked at over 20 articles and listened to the news and no one listed all 29 requests... I also read PNM agreed with some of them as well..
So hopefully I will find them, if you have an article listing them, post it...
The PM should be allowed to sit during the debate.
The PM also needs to select the type of chairs she sits on.
Veto power of the moderator (also requested by the PNM.. The only one highlighted as such)
Veto of the panel
Veto of the technical crew aiding in the broadcast.
Veto of the producer.
Questions to be submitted and placed in a locked box at state owned CMMG under guard.
At all times be referred to as " Madam PM"
Approve the backdrop a month in advance.
Have her choice in attire.
Ensure that a feed is available for Win TV and Radio Jagriti (spelling most likely wrong)
2 preparation rooms.
These preparation rooms must be in POS.
And that's what was cited in the report.
Post by: Sando prince on July 22, 2015, 06:00:22 PM
^^ Have her choice in attire and two preparations rooms :D
I want to ask our Trini diva PM who besides her will have her choice in attire?
Post by: Bourbon on July 22, 2015, 07:59:22 PM
I strongly believe that this video will be:
https://www.youtube.com/v/s6lAOxEdZhc
1) ignored by the UNC base
2) used by the UNC in their no Rowley campaign after selective editing and distortion as they have done before
3) conveniently avoided by others who have set minds.
Oh well.
Post by: Deeks on July 22, 2015, 10:36:51 PM
^^ Best speech so far for the election. He responded to the UNC attacks and talked about some of PNM future policies
Don't be mystified by false prophets in our nation...
Rowley love Morvant so much, why doesn't he address the property devaluation behind the bridge, walk 50 meters and the property value increases substantially.
The poor suffer in pos and have continued so under mostly PNM.. Unc is no different..
Having the gift of the gab will not mystify me.. One day I will produce a documentary on the real lives in the ghetto and what PNM has done or hasn't done ...
The rail was disregarded under PNM no now they want to bring it back..
I agree that PNM did neglect the infrastructure East of the Dry River. But on the other hand they started the industrialization of Central TT with the Pt. Lisas Industrial complex. Yes, again they scrapped the rail service. The railway was bleeding the treasury. That was in the mid 60s when oil was less that 10 dollars a barrel. The rail services was losing money. A substantial amount of commuters were not paying fares. Many thought it was a mistake to do away with the rr. I fully agree. Maybe it was the time to elevate the rail lines and also run it from Champs Fleurs along the the highway to Sando. Like I said, TT did not have the money to do that. By the time the 80s came with high oil prices it was too late to reconsider rail. Eric was hell bent on that Pt. Lisas project.
Post by: Controversial on July 22, 2015, 10:56:36 PM
^^ Best speech so far for the election. He responded to the UNC attacks and talked about some of PNM future policies
Don't be mystified by false prophets in our nation...
Rowley love Morvant so much, why doesn't he address the property devaluation behind the bridge, walk 50 meters and the property value increases substantially.
The poor suffer in pos and have continued so under mostly PNM.. Unc is no different..
Having the gift of the gab will not mystify me.. One day I will produce a documentary on the real lives in the ghetto and what PNM has done or hasn't done ...
The rail was disregarded under PNM no now they want to bring it back..
I agree that PNM did neglect the infrastructure East of the Dry River. But on the other hand they started the industrialization of Central TT with the Pt. Lisas Industrial complex. Yes, again they scrapped the rail service. The railway was bleeding the treasury. That was in the mid 60s when oil was less that 10 dollars a barrel. The rail services was losing money. A substantial amount of commuters were not paying fares. Many thought it was a mistake to do away with the rr. I fully agree. Maybe it was the time to elevate the rail lines and also run it from Champs Fleurs along the the highway to Sando. Like I said, TT did not have the money to do that. By the time the 80s came with high oil prices it was too late to reconsider rail. Eric was hell bent on that Pt. Lisas project.
Family the railway was not bleeding the treasury.. That was a big lie, they approached a person we know personally to fudge the books to siphon the money, he refused to be a part of the cover up and they found another man to do it.. The money was diverted to other areas and siphoned that way.. Certain things I would not repeat on here that are prime examples of the legacy of PNM and continued with all other political parties...
Post by: Controversial on July 22, 2015, 10:59:38 PM
I strongly believe that this video will be:
https://www.youtube.com/v/s6lAOxEdZhc
1) ignored by the UNC base
2) used by the UNC in their no Rowley campaign after selective editing and distortion as they have done before
3) conveniently avoided by others who have set minds.
Oh well.
I'm neither a unc nor PNM supporter and I listened to the speech.. He made some valid points and also talked some rubbish....
Post by: Controversial on July 22, 2015, 11:18:58 PM
Well since you can't spare three minutes... The non negotiable demands listed in the news report (13 explicitly mentioned):^^ I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and think you did not even read her list of demands. So once again I am giving you the benefit of the doubt instead of easily embarrassing you. Again I repeat she is ah joker
i believe i only saw 2 demands in all honesty... can you list the demands so at least we can see what is ridiculous about it...
well before yuh jump out yuh hole and talk about people in TT backward you should have took the time to read what you actually responding to .. yuh don't think so ? :D yuh quick to come wine in ah dance and be ah bacchanalist
Now go and research all PP 29 requests before yuh embarrass yourself again
I looked at over 20 articles and listened to the news and no one listed all 29 requests... I also read PNM agreed with some of them as well..
So hopefully I will find them, if you have an article listing them, post it...
The PM should be allowed to sit during the debate. Reasonable, could be due to back problems..
The PM also needs to select the type of chairs she sits on. See above
Veto power of the moderator (also requested by the PNM.. The only one highlighted as such)
Veto of the panel - understandable, eliminate partisan affiliation
Veto of the technical crew aiding in the broadcast. I believe the pres of the U.S. also has his advisors oversee who the crew is and all technical aspects of any broadcast he partaken in...
Veto of the producer. See above...
Questions to be submitted and placed in a locked box at state owned CMMG under guard. Not unorthodox.. to avoid tampering and unfairness, this debate can determine our next PM.. It is not a joke..
At all times be referred to as " Madam PM" - she is still PM...
Approve the backdrop a month in advance. - ridiculous...
Have her choice in attire. Was she being told what to wear, confused why she would point this out?
Ensure that a feed is available for Win TV and Radio Jagriti (spelling most likely wrong) - not outlandish, wants her core supporters to have a feed to boost her support during the debate..
2 preparation rooms.
These preparation rooms must be in POS. she's a woman, image and so forth... Her advisors would also advise she looks her best as it is close to elections..
And that's what was cited in the report.
Post by: Bourbon on July 23, 2015, 05:10:56 AM
Any argument could be put forward for "partisan affiliation". Especially in Trinidad and Tobago. I think the debates commission actually suggested the hosts of all the TV stations morning shows to be part of the panel (which I think would be more to the PM's favor) with Fr. Clive Harvey as the moderator. Larry Lalla against that...why? Fr. Harvey spoke out against Vernella Alleyne Toppin's Parliament remarks...but Larry Lalla saying he biased because he didnt speak out against Rowley bringing the emails to parliament. ::)
Oversee (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/oversee) is not veto. (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/veto?s=t). Dont think they can be compared.
Difficult to see how anybody can be assured that State Owned CMMG which basically is a full time puppet of government propaganda would be able to secure the questions in such a way to avoid "tampering and unfairness". Who else but the state would have the power to do so in such an environment? In fact...which government locally has had the phrases "tampering" and "unfairness" attached to their practices but this one? When was the last time you saw Kamla speak without a script? It might actually end up like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT_INmTzamM
Well I guess you didnt watch the video and see the opinion solicited by Marty Slutsky who is the executive producer of the US presidential debate where he mentioned that since both are candidates, they avoid referring to any office that is held by either to keep it balanced.
Who else would be picking out her attire?
ALL Local stations were invited to carry the debate..so this is moot.
And highlighting "she's a woman" as the reason for this is laughable. Any candidate would be interested in looking their best. So I could understand one room...each. Not two.
But whatever...I not a poli sci major..so...I may see these as unnecessary when they not.
Post by: Controversial on July 23, 2015, 07:34:20 AM
Well I dont see much evidence of back problems during the Monday night forum. But who knows. It's not a request that should make or break a debate..
Any argument could be put forward for "partisan affiliation". Especially in Trinidad and Tobago. I think the debates commission actually suggested the hosts of all the TV stations morning shows to be part of the panel (which I think would be more to the PM's favor) with Fr. Clive Harvey as the moderator. Larry Lalla against that...why? Fr. Harvey spoke out against Vernella Alleyne Toppin's Parliament remarks...but Larry Lalla saying he biased because he didnt speak out against Rowley bringing the emails to parliament. ::)
Solution is to find someone where no one will dispute, only way to resolve the back and forth and get the debate happening...
Oversee (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/oversee) is not veto. (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/veto?s=t). Dont think they can be compared. She's being stringent here, while I don't fully agree, it is not unorthodox to get these demands from a PM
Difficult to see how anybody can be assured that State Owned CMMG which basically is a full time puppet of government propaganda would be able to secure the questions in such a way to avoid "tampering and unfairness". Who else but the state would have the power to do so in such an environment? In fact...which government locally has had the phrases "tampering" and "unfairness" attached to their practices but this one? When was the last time you saw Kamla speak without a script? It might actually end up like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
They gave their request, it's not outlandish, PNM should also want the same... Corruption is associated with both parties so we cannot say they shouldn't have it... I guess we will see how good she really is soon, hopefully.. As a PM you need to know how to debate, bas and the doctor were masters of the debate...
Well I guess you didnt watch the video and see the opinion solicited by Marty Slutsky who is the executive producer of the US presidential debate where he mentioned that since both are candidates, they avoid referring to any office that is held by either to keep it balanced.
Just watched it, he has solid points but that is the U.S. And this is TT, expect the unexpected, different culture and way of doing things, some things will be the same but other things he will encounter with this debate will be entirely different
Who else would be picking out her attire? Hence the reason i poised the question, to me it's ridiculous
ALL Local stations were invited to carry the debate..so this is moot. What was the date and timeline of her requests?
And highlighting "she's a woman" as the reason for this is laughable. Any candidate would be interested in looking their best. So I could understand one room...each. Not two. You can't discount the fact she's a woman, Two is unreasonable, no reason for it but like I said its Trinidad, expect the unexpected...
But whatever...I not a poli sci major..so...I may see these as unnecessary when they not.
You have some valid points but politics is about strategy, anything to gain advantage will be asked for and employed.. No matter how ridiculous it may seem... Trump giving out a phone number on national television was strategy.. It nullified his opponent, dirty tactics yes but political strategy..
Poli sci was my major and was heading for a masters in public policy.. So these requests and grand standing is not unfamiliar in a lead up to an election and significant debate... Especially since it's a first for the nation... The U.S. Debate style affair.. I think it's a great idea, but don't expect it to go smoothly at first..
Post by: Controversial on July 23, 2015, 09:13:38 AM
Play dead to catch corbeaux alive...
Post by: 1-868 on July 23, 2015, 09:47:28 AM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20150721/news/merle-hodge-knocks-campaign
The United National Congress’s “No Rowley” campaign has been criticised by activist Merle Hodge as well as former editor Rhona Baptiste, who posted an open letter to the Prime Minister on her Facebook page yesterday.
In a letter to the editor, Hodge asked: What does our “new politics” party, the COP (Congress of the People), really think about the UNC’s/PP’s (People’s Partnership’s) descent into the muck of personal vilification as its major campaign strategy?”
She noted: “The UNC/PP was voted into power in 2010 because throngs of voters trusted the COP to be the bulwark against political nastiness.” She then asked: “Has the COP now been so effectively neutered that it cannot even recognise such nastiness when it occurs? What a disappointment.”
Baptiste, in a letter “from one woman to another” addressed to the Prime Minister, commented on the No Rowley campaign and a number of issues.
In part of her post, she stated: “You (Madam Prime Minister) must ask yourself whether in winning an election any means justifies the end. For in the end it is not you as Prime Minister nor Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley who matters as much as a nation...
“Last evening on witnessing the launch of your newest strategy against the Opposition, one is reminded of how effectively your campaign used Keith Rowley to demonise Prime Minister Patrick Manning in those ads that highlighted the tensions between them back in 2010.
“It was a cunning piece of propaganda and many of us bought the hype at that time and we voted you in... As a mother and teacher... It should be clear to you in fact that the destruction of the personal character of the opponent, whether that person is Keith Rowley or Mother Teresa, is not what the country wants. What the country really wants is to hear hardcore solutions to our problems.”
The campaign seeks to characterise Rowley as an “angry arrogant man who has no plan and no vision” for the country. The ads, seen at norowley.com, use statements made by Manning at the height of his political battle with Rowley, as well as sound bites from Rowley doctored to sound as his responses to a number of questions on matters of national import.
Post by: Deeks on July 23, 2015, 09:51:24 AM
Post by: Bourbon on July 23, 2015, 02:25:37 PM
I gone on youtube to watch a video. Normal normal...an ad from this NoRowley campaign start up..for 25 seconds before my video start.
WDMCID?
Dey going to this extent seriously?
Post by: Jumbie on July 23, 2015, 03:44:45 PM
HEAR NAH!
I gone on youtube to watch a video. Normal normal...an ad from this NoRowley campaign start up..for 25 seconds before my video start.
WDMCID?
Dey going to this extent seriously?
eh trying to know your business eh, but it will help me with work. Are you based in Trinidad by chance? Asking because I want to know if the marketing/pr people running paid ads on foreign ip addresses. thx.
Post by: Michael-j on July 23, 2015, 03:44:57 PM
HEAR NAH!
I gone on youtube to watch a video. Normal normal...an ad from this NoRowley campaign start up..for 25 seconds before my video start.
WDMCID?
Dey going to this extent seriously?
Are you based in T&T??
I'm getting bombarded with Kamla ads too....I go on CNN I see Kamla and her husband on an ad promoting family values....I go on amazon I see the ad...if I go to take a shit she might pop up too :cursing:
Post by: Bourbon on July 23, 2015, 04:16:21 PM
Post by: lefty on July 23, 2015, 04:40:55 PM
I use palemoon and it's companion ad blocker "ad block latitude", so haven't encountered this at all. ;D ;D :devil:
started using that when firefox decided to morph into chrome and wouldn't allow users to change back without a finicky addon >:( >:( >:( :( >:( :cursing:
Post by: Jumbie on July 23, 2015, 04:41:20 PM
Yes I am based in TT. Last elections they used ads on websites... But this.... Is beyond that by far
ok, thx. Those are pre-roll ads they are running off Youtube and I'm sure the others you're seeing (on other websites) are off google adwords. Since competition for such keywords and location (Trinidad and Tobago) is pretty much non-existent, they are getting them at a steal. So they will plaster it in your face as much as they can. With the pre-roll ones, they only pay if you (viewer) clicks on them or watch the entire ad. If there is a "skip ad" option, you can use that.. if by chance you watch the whole ad.. they will pay premium.
Nice to see them using it, just wish it was for ads that actually promoted what they could do to improve the country and not this childish stuff. But so is politics?
Post by: Jumbie on July 23, 2015, 04:43:17 PM
I use palemoon and it's companion ad blocker "ad block latitude", so haven't encountered this at all. ;D ;D :devil:
started using that when firefox decided to morph into chrome and wouldn't allow users to change back without a finicky addon >:( >:( >:( :( >:( :cursing:
what do you mean by this? (don't mean to hijack the thread)
Post by: lefty on July 23, 2015, 04:51:19 PM
I use palemoon and it's companion ad blocker "ad block latitude", so haven't encountered this at all. ;D ;D :devil:
started using that when firefox decided to morph into chrome and wouldn't allow users to change back without a finicky addon >:( >:( >:( :( >:( :cursing:
what do you mean by this? (don't mean to hijack the thread)
I mean they adopted to chrome styled interface design which accompanied some very restrictive design decisions.......hate tabs on top for one and they made it permanent after v29......unless dey change it back ???
Post by: Brownsugar on July 23, 2015, 07:40:32 PM
Post by: Bourbon on July 23, 2015, 07:45:09 PM
All yuh see the latest installment in the norowley campaign?? Hear nah.....I really doh know who advising these A-holes......but let them continue, is best the PNM stop campaigning and leave the UNC to it cuz like dem campaigning for the PNM to win......Imagine the plot twist if Rodney Charles is a PNM sleeper cell
Post by: lefty on July 23, 2015, 07:47:17 PM
I doubt dat, he jus dotish like he employersAll yuh see the latest installment in the norowley campaign?? Hear nah.....I really doh know who advising these A-holes......but let them continue, is best the PNM stop campaigning and leave the UNC to it cuz like dem campaigning for the PNM to win......Imagine the plot twist if Rodney Charles is a PNM sleeper cell
...............ah see ross distance deyself from dat...like dey smellin someting rutten and want to get out while d gettin good...............or dey holdin dey cards close in antipation of a lean 5 years if dey employers loose
Post by: lefty on July 23, 2015, 07:52:55 PM
Post by: Brownsugar on July 23, 2015, 07:53:35 PM
I doubt dat, he jus dotish like he employersAll yuh see the latest installment in the norowley campaign?? Hear nah.....I really doh know who advising these A-holes......but let them continue, is best the PNM stop campaigning and leave the UNC to it cuz like dem campaigning for the PNM to win......Imagine the plot twist if Rodney Charles is a PNM sleeper cell
...............ah see ross distance deyself from dat...like dey smellin someting rutten and want to get out while d gettin good...............or dey holdin dey cards close in antipation of a lean 5 years if dey employers loose
From what I understand, Rodney Charles was a staunch PNM. A Manningite. So I guess he is one ah dem dat "juss cyar stand Rowley....." smh......hear nah.....all the man's moves just leaving me speechless.....
Post by: Brownsugar on July 23, 2015, 07:55:14 PM
ah question though..............CNMG...wah alyuh tink goh play off wid dem, if PNM win ???
Is state media so as far as I'm aware, all them political appointees would be gone and Ken Ali would have to throw he frame too even though he is the CEO......
Post by: lefty on July 23, 2015, 08:00:39 PM
I doubt dat, he jus dotish like he employersAll yuh see the latest installment in the norowley campaign?? Hear nah.....I really doh know who advising these A-holes......but let them continue, is best the PNM stop campaigning and leave the UNC to it cuz like dem campaigning for the PNM to win......Imagine the plot twist if Rodney Charles is a PNM sleeper cell
...............ah see ross distance deyself from dat...like dey smellin someting rutten and want to get out while d gettin good...............or dey holdin dey cards close in antipation of a lean 5 years if dey employers loose
From what I understand, Rodney Charles was a staunch PNM. A Manningite. So I guess he is one ah dem dat "juss cyar stand Rowley....." smh......hear nah.....all the man's moves just leaving me speechless.....
ting is......I couldn't stand d man either.....straight forward fella .....but no guile ..........and rough around d edges......still doh tink he handle e-mailgate atall well but he seems to be fitting himself into the role of captain fairly well otherwise.....still has no guile though....but that may be a good ting....time goh tell
Post by: Bourbon on July 23, 2015, 08:00:56 PM
So.... Arhmmm... Anybody know how the UNC planning to finance things ? Given that the highway and other projects over budget and ting. Is box drains the way of diversifying and securing our economy ?
Post by: lefty on July 23, 2015, 08:10:23 PM
ah question though..............CNMG...wah alyuh tink goh play off wid dem, if PNM win ???
Is state media so as far as I'm aware, all them political appointees would be gone and Ken Ali would have to throw he frame too even though he is the CEO......
what about d employees dat grab d pawn baton and run with it Marcia Braveboy and co...........and all d other state enterprises with d fat trimmin dat may have to take place.......it goh have plenty baccanal in dat if it come to pass........plenty unqualified frien' an' fam jus siddung earnin money for no work..............and ah race card ready to pull
Post by: Bourbon on July 23, 2015, 08:20:19 PM
Post by: Controversial on July 23, 2015, 08:29:37 PM
Breds, the RR was losing money before the sixties. The Brits wanted to scrap it. In the beginning the RR was commercial and passenger. The commercial part help subsidies the passenger portion. The last big commercial enterprise that was by the rail service was the log joint. That was the massive sewer project. All the sewer pipes were transported by very long rolling stock. Some were approx half a mile. As the commercial part decreased, the passenger portion had to pick up the cost. That was not going to happen under PNM. So govt subsidies increased. The train used to be full, but plenty people never used to pay. Mostly the young "hooligans" and them. I used to see them hopping on and off the train. Some even got their foot cut off when they mistimed the speed of the train.
the same thing with national steel, they wanted to cook the books to show losses there as well... they give a whole new meaning to a midnight robber in those days...
imagine breds i sit down with Kamalluldin in his house over a decade ago and he tell me how the PNM turn their back on him, after the doc passed, he should have been PM and leader of the pnm, never happen, you know who they give it to... :D
so when i see Rowley boasting about Kamal, i say what the hell he talking about, he talking a bag of nonsense, the pnm betray Kamal after all his dedication and loyalty to the party.. a setta snakes...
so I listen to the rowley speech well good, some of these politicians don't have any shame...
Post by: TdotTrini on July 23, 2015, 09:36:25 PM
Breds, the RR was losing money before the sixties. The Brits wanted to scrap it. In the beginning the RR was commercial and passenger. The commercial part help subsidies the passenger portion. The last big commercial enterprise that was by the rail service was the log joint. That was the massive sewer project. All the sewer pipes were transported by very long rolling stock. Some were approx half a mile. As the commercial part decreased, the passenger portion had to pick up the cost. That was not going to happen under PNM. So govt subsidies increased. The train used to be full, but plenty people never used to pay. Mostly the young "hooligans" and them. I used to see them hopping on and off the train. Some even got their foot cut off when they mistimed the speed of the train.
the same thing with national steel, they wanted to cook the books to show losses there as well... they give a whole new meaning to a midnight robber in those days...
imagine breds i sit down with Kamalluldin in his house over a decade ago and he tell me how the PNM turn their back on him, after the doc passed, he should have been PM and leader of the pnm, never happen, you know who they give it to... :D
so when i see Rowley boasting about Kamal, i say what the hell he talking about, he talking a bag of nonsense, the pnm betray Kamal after all his dedication and loyalty to the party.. a setta snakes...
so I listen to the rowley speech well good, some of these politicians don't have any shame...
Yuh talk out of yuh ass as usual. I knew Kamalludin very well. If you don't know the real story stop your misinformation.
Post by: Deeks on July 24, 2015, 05:17:40 AM
imagine breds i sit down with Kamalluldin in his house over a decade ago and he tell me how the PNM turn their back on him, after the doc passed, he should have been PM and leader of the pnm, never happen, you know who they give it to... :D
so when i see Rowley boasting about Kamal, i say what the hell he talking about, he talking a bag of nonsense, the pnm betray Kamal after all his dedication and loyalty to the party.. a setta snakes...
so I listen to the rowley speech well good, some of these politicians don't have any shame...
I don't know about the steel mill, because I was out of Trini. All I know is that that complex took a lot of energy, and our water woes increase when the plant came online. As far as Kamal not being elected, it was difficult to understand what was going on when Dr. Williams was on his last. Inner rivalries was not different as we had seen in the UNC with Kamla, Jck and Panday. The only difference was that PNM kept most of it under wraps. He and most Indo TT felt he was not given the post because he was Indo.
In a couple years the UNC will also say the same about Panday. How is was a great leader.
Post by: Brownsugar on July 24, 2015, 06:41:50 AM
I doubt dat, he jus dotish like he employersAll yuh see the latest installment in the norowley campaign?? Hear nah.....I really doh know who advising these A-holes......but let them continue, is best the PNM stop campaigning and leave the UNC to it cuz like dem campaigning for the PNM to win......Imagine the plot twist if Rodney Charles is a PNM sleeper cell
...............ah see ross distance deyself from dat...like dey smellin someting rutten and want to get out while d gettin good...............or dey holdin dey cards close in antipation of a lean 5 years if dey employers loose
From what I understand, Rodney Charles was a staunch PNM. A Manningite. So I guess he is one ah dem dat "juss cyar stand Rowley....." smh......hear nah.....all the man's moves just leaving me speechless.....
ting is......I couldn't stand d man either.....straight forward fella .....but no guile ..........and rough around d edges......still doh tink he handle e-mailgate atall well but he seems to be fitting himself into the role of captain fairly well otherwise.....still has no guile though....but that may be a good ting....time goh tell
Yuh make mih go and look up guile.....and yuh sure yuh want him to have that?? ???
Anywho, ppl who say dey doh like Rowley when yuh ask dem why its usually, he too arrogant, he too black, he from Tobago, he rough......so imagine my surprise when I had the opportunity to talk to him, albeit briefly no more than 10 - 15 mins on 3 occassions.....the impression he left me with is that he eh nutten like that (i.e. arrogant and rough).....yes he black and he from Tobago so I guess if you doh like him for that well I eh too sure what he could do about it.
Poor fella. He could never measure up to the window dressing we have right now......all fluff and no stuff. I goh take a rough, black, guileless, Tobagonian over she any day.....
Post by: Controversial on July 24, 2015, 07:20:30 AM
Breds, the RR was losing money before the sixties. The Brits wanted to scrap it. In the beginning the RR was commercial and passenger. The commercial part help subsidies the passenger portion. The last big commercial enterprise that was by the rail service was the log joint. That was the massive sewer project. All the sewer pipes were transported by very long rolling stock. Some were approx half a mile. As the commercial part decreased, the passenger portion had to pick up the cost. That was not going to happen under PNM. So govt subsidies increased. The train used to be full, but plenty people never used to pay. Mostly the young "hooligans" and them. I used to see them hopping on and off the train. Some even got their foot cut off when they mistimed the speed of the train.
the same thing with national steel, they wanted to cook the books to show losses there as well... they give a whole new meaning to a midnight robber in those days...
imagine breds i sit down with Kamalluldin in his house over a decade ago and he tell me how the PNM turn their back on him, after the doc passed, he should have been PM and leader of the pnm, never happen, you know who they give it to... :D
so when i see Rowley boasting about Kamal, i say what the hell he talking about, he talking a bag of nonsense, the pnm betray Kamal after all his dedication and loyalty to the party.. a setta snakes...
so I listen to the rowley speech well good, some of these politicians don't have any shame...
Yuh talk out of yuh ass as usual. I knew Kamalludin very well. If you don't know the real story stop your misinformation.
My family knows him well also... What's your point?
If you have the full story say it then, instead of talking a pack of rubbish...
Post by: Michael-j on July 24, 2015, 07:40:11 AM
I doubt dat, he jus dotish like he employersAll yuh see the latest installment in the norowley campaign?? Hear nah.....I really doh know who advising these A-holes......but let them continue, is best the PNM stop campaigning and leave the UNC to it cuz like dem campaigning for the PNM to win......Imagine the plot twist if Rodney Charles is a PNM sleeper cell
...............ah see ross distance deyself from dat...like dey smellin someting rutten and want to get out while d gettin good...............or dey holdin dey cards close in antipation of a lean 5 years if dey employers loose
From what I understand, Rodney Charles was a staunch PNM. A Manningite. So I guess he is one ah dem dat "juss cyar stand Rowley....." smh......hear nah.....all the man's moves just leaving me speechless.....
ting is......I couldn't stand d man either.....straight forward fella .....but no guile ..........and rough around d edges......still doh tink he handle e-mailgate atall well but he seems to be fitting himself into the role of captain fairly well otherwise.....still has no guile though....but that may be a good ting....time goh tell
Lefty, yuh sure you want him to have guile??
Post by: Brownsugar on July 24, 2015, 08:27:17 AM
I doubt dat, he jus dotish like he employersAll yuh see the latest installment in the norowley campaign?? Hear nah.....I really doh know who advising these A-holes......but let them continue, is best the PNM stop campaigning and leave the UNC to it cuz like dem campaigning for the PNM to win......Imagine the plot twist if Rodney Charles is a PNM sleeper cell
...............ah see ross distance deyself from dat...like dey smellin someting rutten and want to get out while d gettin good...............or dey holdin dey cards close in antipation of a lean 5 years if dey employers loose
From what I understand, Rodney Charles was a staunch PNM. A Manningite. So I guess he is one ah dem dat "juss cyar stand Rowley....." smh......hear nah.....all the man's moves just leaving me speechless.....
ting is......I couldn't stand d man either.....straight forward fella .....but no guile ..........and rough around d edges......still doh tink he handle e-mailgate atall well but he seems to be fitting himself into the role of captain fairly well otherwise.....still has no guile though....but that may be a good ting....time goh tell
Lefty, yuh sure you want him to have guile??
Oh ho......so is not me alone Lefty confuse.....ah feel is charm he meant......charisma or something so.....
Post by: lefty on July 24, 2015, 08:28:49 AM
I doubt dat, he jus dotish like he employersAll yuh see the latest installment in the norowley campaign?? Hear nah.....I really doh know who advising these A-holes......but let them continue, is best the PNM stop campaigning and leave the UNC to it cuz like dem campaigning for the PNM to win......Imagine the plot twist if Rodney Charles is a PNM sleeper cell
...............ah see ross distance deyself from dat...like dey smellin someting rutten and want to get out while d gettin good...............or dey holdin dey cards close in antipation of a lean 5 years if dey employers loose
From what I understand, Rodney Charles was a staunch PNM. A Manningite. So I guess he is one ah dem dat "juss cyar stand Rowley....." smh......hear nah.....all the man's moves just leaving me speechless.....
ting is......I couldn't stand d man either.....straight forward fella .....but no guile ..........and rough around d edges......still doh tink he handle e-mailgate atall well but he seems to be fitting himself into the role of captain fairly well otherwise.....still has no guile though....but that may be a good ting....time goh tell
Lefty, yuh sure you want him to have guile??
at least enough to recognize ah monkey trap when yuh see one or about to say someting dat could put yuh in one......alyuh may not see it but a certain amount of artfulness might be required to see off these people or at least to not get sucked in to their games.
fight without fighting tsun tzu
Post by: lefty on July 24, 2015, 09:08:19 AM
I doubt dat, he jus dotish like he employersAll yuh see the latest installment in the norowley campaign?? Hear nah.....I really doh know who advising these A-holes......but let them continue, is best the PNM stop campaigning and leave the UNC to it cuz like dem campaigning for the PNM to win......Imagine the plot twist if Rodney Charles is a PNM sleeper cell
...............ah see ross distance deyself from dat...like dey smellin someting rutten and want to get out while d gettin good...............or dey holdin dey cards close in antipation of a lean 5 years if dey employers loose
From what I understand, Rodney Charles was a staunch PNM. A Manningite. So I guess he is one ah dem dat "juss cyar stand Rowley....." smh......hear nah.....all the man's moves just leaving me speechless.....
ting is......I couldn't stand d man either.....straight forward fella .....but no guile ..........and rough around d edges......still doh tink he handle e-mailgate atall well but he seems to be fitting himself into the role of captain fairly well otherwise.....still has no guile though....but that may be a good ting....time goh tell
Yuh make mih go and look up guile.....and yuh sure yuh want him to have that?? ???
Anywho, ppl who say dey doh like Rowley when yuh ask dem why its usually, he too arrogant, he too black, he from Tobago, he rough......so imagine my surprise when I had the opportunity to talk to him, albeit briefly no more than 10 - 15 mins on 3 occassions.....the impression he left me with is that he eh nutten like that (i.e. arrogant and rough).....yes he black and he from Tobago so I guess if you doh like him for that well I eh too sure what he could do about it.
Poor fella. He could never measure up to the window dressing we have right now......all fluff and no stuff. I goh take a rough, black, guileless, Tobagonian over she any day.....
me too........but. as I said........given peoples' skewed perception of him.....and the willingness of the gov't to play dat......his chess skills might just be needed.........find ah way to make yourself more attractive without changing who u are ......but maybe find a way to use , their game to your advantage
Post by: Brownsugar on July 24, 2015, 09:48:44 AM
I doubt dat, he jus dotish like he employersAll yuh see the latest installment in the norowley campaign?? Hear nah.....I really doh know who advising these A-holes......but let them continue, is best the PNM stop campaigning and leave the UNC to it cuz like dem campaigning for the PNM to win......Imagine the plot twist if Rodney Charles is a PNM sleeper cell
...............ah see ross distance deyself from dat...like dey smellin someting rutten and want to get out while d gettin good...............or dey holdin dey cards close in antipation of a lean 5 years if dey employers loose
From what I understand, Rodney Charles was a staunch PNM. A Manningite. So I guess he is one ah dem dat "juss cyar stand Rowley....." smh......hear nah.....all the man's moves just leaving me speechless.....
ting is......I couldn't stand d man either.....straight forward fella .....but no guile ..........and rough around d edges......still doh tink he handle e-mailgate atall well but he seems to be fitting himself into the role of captain fairly well otherwise.....still has no guile though....but that may be a good ting....time goh tell
Lefty, yuh sure you want him to have guile??
at least enough to recognize ah monkey trap when yuh see one or about to say someting dat could put yuh in one......alyuh may not see it but a certain amount of artfulness might be required to see off these people or at least to not get sucked in to their games.
fight without fighting tsun tzu
:thinking: :thinking: right, right.
Ah think I gotcha.....like the "ignore her cat" comment?? I heard when he said it and didn't find it offensive but lawd fadder they spin that thing like a top!!!....
Post by: lefty on July 24, 2015, 10:01:09 AM
:thumbsup: :applause: exactlyI doubt dat, he jus dotish like he employersAll yuh see the latest installment in the norowley campaign?? Hear nah.....I really doh know who advising these A-holes......but let them continue, is best the PNM stop campaigning and leave the UNC to it cuz like dem campaigning for the PNM to win......Imagine the plot twist if Rodney Charles is a PNM sleeper cell
...............ah see ross distance deyself from dat...like dey smellin someting rutten and want to get out while d gettin good...............or dey holdin dey cards close in antipation of a lean 5 years if dey employers loose
From what I understand, Rodney Charles was a staunch PNM. A Manningite. So I guess he is one ah dem dat "juss cyar stand Rowley....." smh......hear nah.....all the man's moves just leaving me speechless.....
ting is......I couldn't stand d man either.....straight forward fella .....but no guile ..........and rough around d edges......still doh tink he handle e-mailgate atall well but he seems to be fitting himself into the role of captain fairly well otherwise.....still has no guile though....but that may be a good ting....time goh tell
Lefty, yuh sure you want him to have guile??
at least enough to recognize ah monkey trap when yuh see one or about to say someting dat could put yuh in one......alyuh may not see it but a certain amount of artfulness might be required to see off these people or at least to not get sucked in to their games.
fight without fighting tsun tzu
:thinking: :thinking: right, right.
Ah think I gotcha.....like the "ignore her cat" comment?? I heard when he said it and didn't find it offensive but lawd fadder they spin that thing like a top!!!....
Post by: Sando prince on July 24, 2015, 11:42:07 AM
CARICOM to observe T&T general elections
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/CARICOM-to-observe-T-T-general-elections
Quote
The Caribbean Community (CARICOM) will send a mission to observer the September 7 general elections as a pre-election assessment mission from the Commonwealth.
Post by: royal on July 24, 2015, 07:03:09 PM
Post by: Deeks on July 24, 2015, 07:52:40 PM
Any of these parties say what they're plan is for SPORTS !!!
Breds, you serious!
Post by: royal on July 24, 2015, 08:34:11 PM
Any of these parties say what they're plan is for SPORTS !!!
Breds, you serious!
Deeks I dead serious. Look what happen in Trinidad today. What is the ONLY ting that brought some joy to de people today Keshorn gold.God bless our athletes who put out sweat and tears with very little infrastructure and support. It is time we have a damn government that is pro sport.money spent in all the wrong places when sport is what brings people together,promotes de country and creates a sense of identity.Again I ask which one of these parties have said what they'll do for sports
footnote: yuh doh believe meh check out de cricket dis weekend
Post by: lefty on July 28, 2015, 05:58:36 PM
Post by: Deeks on July 28, 2015, 07:02:27 PM
Post by: Bourbon on July 28, 2015, 07:14:21 PM
Just throwing out a guess lefty... You in the chaguanas area? A friend of mine got called tonight too...I guessing the Monday night forum next stop is around there
Post by: lefty on July 28, 2015, 07:16:24 PM
Is not just tstt. Digicel too... My bro in law get called twice. Land lines I could understand but cell phones I don't think so. It also seems zoned... Because there was a meeting in guaico soon after and like they were targeting names there.nah south closer to la Brea
Just throwing out a guess lefty... You in the chaguanas area? A friend of mine got called tonight too...I guessing the Monday night forum next stop is around there
Post by: Sando prince on July 29, 2015, 11:23:33 AM
I jus get a call on my home phone....didn' reach it in time so d answering machine pick-up ......I hear Kamla voice inviting people to conference call....now my question is how is my person info being used or abused by TSTT......further should I be receiving unsolicited marketing calls from anybody outside of TSTT themselves especially I mih number unlisted an' yes woulda still be vex if was Rowley voice
Ah waiting for them to call me. I will interrogate the UNC/PP tool and record the conversation then post it on social media. They are very desperate right now
Post by: Controversial on July 29, 2015, 11:26:04 AM
I jus get a call on my home phone....didn' reach it in time so d answering machine pick-up ......I hear Kamla voice inviting people to conference call....now my question is how is my person info being used or abused by TSTT......further should I be receiving unsolicited marketing calls from anybody outside of TSTT themselves especially I mih number unlisted an' yes woulda still be vex if was Rowley voice
Ah waiting for them to call me. I will interrogate the UNC/PP tool and record the conversation then post it on social media. They are very desperate right now
make sure to use a voice disguiser :D :D
Post by: Sando prince on July 29, 2015, 11:30:19 AM
I jus get a call on my home phone....didn' reach it in time so d answering machine pick-up ......I hear Kamla voice inviting people to conference call....now my question is how is my person info being used or abused by TSTT......further should I be receiving unsolicited marketing calls from anybody outside of TSTT themselves especially I mih number unlisted an' yes woulda still be vex if was Rowley voice
Ah waiting for them to call me. I will interrogate the UNC/PP tool and record the conversation then post it on social media. They are very desperate right now
make sure to use a voice disguiser :D :D
Doh worry yuhself Contro ;D
Post by: Socapro on July 30, 2015, 05:13:11 AM
Launch of Central and South Candidates
https://www.youtube.com/v/vDS05mc92_I
Post by: davyjenny1 on July 30, 2015, 05:41:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/rpO_9mz0LI0
Post by: Brownsugar on July 30, 2015, 05:53:41 PM
Post by: davyjenny1 on July 30, 2015, 06:38:38 PM
Almost to the end of the third segment Kamla was looked at her watch, she said " I dont know how much time we have" then she went on to answer the question.
Post by: davyjenny1 on July 30, 2015, 06:46:33 PM
Post by: Brownsugar on July 30, 2015, 08:00:37 PM
What sort of measures were used to select the panel as well as the questions?
Eenny meeny, miny moe?? :-\ :-\
Post by: davyjenny1 on July 30, 2015, 10:46:52 PM
Only in Trinidad.What sort of measures were used to select the panel as well as the questions?
Eenny meeny, miny moe?? :-\ :-\
Post by: Brownsugar on August 02, 2015, 07:07:25 AM
Close race between Partnership, PNM
Poll results and seat projection
With just weeks remaining until the September 7 general election, the SBS poll and seat projection anticipates a close race between the People's National Movement (PNM) and the People's Partnership (PP).
The model suggests there is a 93% chance that the final result will be 21-20, with Tunapuna being the closest seat. In the poll, the PP has a better chance of winning Tunapuna at the current time. Other seats such as St. Joseph, La Horquetta/Talparo, or Lopinot/Bon Air West are also projected to be won by close margins.
Methodology
The Poll: SBS interviewed 1,412 adults in Trinidad and Tobago via live telephone calls from July 6th to July 22nd. The respondents were sampled from households of registered voters in the 257 polling divisions in Trinidad and Tobago, whose election results best predict the national election results in past elections between 2000 and 2010. There are a total of 1,547 polling divisions in Trinidad and Tobago. The margin of error of the poll is +/- 3%. The poll was commissioned by the Express Newspapers.
The Modeling/Simulation: SBS grouped all polling divisions into seven clusters, using the kmeans algorithm. Each cluster exhibited similar patterns in election results (or “electoral swings”) in the five general elections since 2000. Using the poll, SBS then estimated the current swing, or change in political support, within each cluster of polling divisions and therefore the estimated level of support for each party in every polling division. Respondents would claimed to be undecided were modelled as having the average partisanship of their polling division. To quantify the uncertainty in the projection, SBS ran 10,000 simulations using a technique called bootstrapping which repeatedly samples the sample of 1,412 interviews to determine how sensitive a result is to in-sample variance.
Poll results and seat projection
The 2015 general election race between the PNM and the People's Partnership could not be closer. The SBS poll model and electoral seat projection says that just one seat is likely to separate the two on September 7.
The general shape of the poll results follows a similar pattern to the last SBS poll: The favourability of the Prime Minister continues to outstrip that of the Leader of the Opposition, and the rate of undecided voters remains over 30%. These results will be detailed further in Part II of this report.
The ILP's appeal has reduced to below 3%. They are unlikely to even re-elect a candidate in Chaguanas West. Other parties combined for 3%.
Using the simulation outlined in the methodology, SBS anticipates that the constituencies of Tunapuna, La Horquetta/Talparo, and Lopinot/Bon Air West, are most likely to be the closest, and that Tunapuna is likely to make the difference. The model suggests that up to 6 seats may be a margin of less than 1,000 votes.
The larger sample size of the poll, and the further assumption that “undecided” voters may vote according to historical patterns at the polling division-level significantly reduced the uncertainty in the model compared to the last Express poll.
Path to 21 seats
Of the 10,000 simulations run, only 2 (0.02%) presented the possibility of a party winning without Tunpauna. Only 7% of the runs featured one party winning more than 21 seats. In almost all of these cases – in a case where the PNM wins Moruga/Tableland or the People's Partnership wins Lopinot/Bon Air West – that party also wins Tunapuna.
About Solution by Simulation
Solution by Simulation Limited (SBS) is a data analysis firm which uses computer modelling to probe and provide insight into human behaviour. SBS provides market research and data analysis services for a number of commercial, academic, and civil society clients. SBS was founded by Nigel AR Henry, BS (Yale) MA (GWU), following Mr. Henry's service as the lead numerical analyst for the Southeast US for Obama for America campaign. SBS debuted in Trinidad and Tobago producing the only published poll to forecast the 12-0 victory of the PNM in the 2013 THA Elections. Over five elections in 2013 and 2014, Solution by Simulation has proven to be consistently accurate in its pre-election polling.
http://trinidadexpress.com/20150801/news/pp-21-pnm-20 (http://trinidadexpress.com/20150801/news/pp-21-pnm-20)
Post by: kounty on August 02, 2015, 11:12:54 AM
PP: 21 PNM: 20So K-means https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-means_clustering is based on clustering which SBS used to force people into one of 2 groups...when there are actually 3 (a full one-third of the data set is undecided!!). Most will say that k-means fails in scenario, so he is basically banking all of his money on "Respondents would[sp] claimed to be undecided were modelled[sp] as having the average partisanship of their polling division"...The other predictions look interesting though.
Close race between Partnership, PNM
Poll results and seat projection
With just weeks remaining until the September 7 general election, the SBS poll and seat projection anticipates a close race between the People's National Movement (PNM) and the People's Partnership (PP).
The model suggests there is a 93% chance that the final result will be 21-20, with Tunapuna being the closest seat. In the poll, the PP has a better chance of winning Tunapuna at the current time. Other seats such as St. Joseph, La Horquetta/Talparo, or Lopinot/Bon Air West are also projected to be won by close margins.
Methodology
The Poll: SBS interviewed 1,412 adults in Trinidad and Tobago via live telephone calls from July 6th to July 22nd. The respondents were sampled from households of registered voters in the 257 polling divisions in Trinidad and Tobago, whose election results best predict the national election results in past elections between 2000 and 2010. There are a total of 1,547 polling divisions in Trinidad and Tobago. The margin of error of the poll is +/- 3%. The poll was commissioned by the Express Newspapers.
The Modeling/Simulation: SBS grouped all polling divisions into seven clusters, using the kmeans algorithm. Each cluster exhibited similar patterns in election results (or “electoral swings”) in the five general elections since 2000. Using the poll, SBS then estimated the current swing, or change in political support, within each cluster of polling divisions and therefore the estimated level of support for each party in every polling division. Respondents would claimed to be undecided were modelled as having the average partisanship of their polling division. To quantify the uncertainty in the projection, SBS ran 10,000 simulations using a technique called bootstrapping which repeatedly samples the sample of 1,412 interviews to determine how sensitive a result is to in-sample variance.
Poll results and seat projection
The 2015 general election race between the PNM and the People's Partnership could not be closer. The SBS poll model and electoral seat projection says that just one seat is likely to separate the two on September 7.
The general shape of the poll results follows a similar pattern to the last SBS poll: The favourability of the Prime Minister continues to outstrip that of the Leader of the Opposition, and the rate of undecided voters remains over 30%. These results will be detailed further in Part II of this report.
The ILP's appeal has reduced to below 3%. They are unlikely to even re-elect a candidate in Chaguanas West. Other parties combined for 3%.
Using the simulation outlined in the methodology, SBS anticipates that the constituencies of Tunapuna, La Horquetta/Talparo, and Lopinot/Bon Air West, are most likely to be the closest, and that Tunapuna is likely to make the difference. The model suggests that up to 6 seats may be a margin of less than 1,000 votes.
The larger sample size of the poll, and the further assumption that “undecided” voters may vote according to historical patterns at the polling division-level significantly reduced the uncertainty in the model compared to the last Express poll.
Path to 21 seats
Of the 10,000 simulations run, only 2 (0.02%) presented the possibility of a party winning without Tunpauna. Only 7% of the runs featured one party winning more than 21 seats. In almost all of these cases – in a case where the PNM wins Moruga/Tableland or the People's Partnership wins Lopinot/Bon Air West – that party also wins Tunapuna.
About Solution by Simulation
Solution by Simulation Limited (SBS) is a data analysis firm which uses computer modelling to probe and provide insight into human behaviour. SBS provides market research and data analysis services for a number of commercial, academic, and civil society clients. SBS was founded by Nigel AR Henry, BS (Yale) MA (GWU), following Mr. Henry's service as the lead numerical analyst for the Southeast US for Obama for America campaign. SBS debuted in Trinidad and Tobago producing the only published poll to forecast the 12-0 victory of the PNM in the 2013 THA Elections. Over five elections in 2013 and 2014, Solution by Simulation has proven to be consistently accurate in its pre-election polling.
http://trinidadexpress.com/20150801/news/pp-21-pnm-20 (http://trinidadexpress.com/20150801/news/pp-21-pnm-20)
Post by: Brownsugar on August 02, 2015, 11:54:41 AM
I could understand that in a safe seat where it doesn't matter who is the candidate but in a marginal??!!! And Tunapuna is DE MARGINAL of all marginals.
So how de PP winning at this time without a candidate named and campaigning in the constituency?? ??? :-\ :thinking: :waiting:
Post by: Michael-j on August 02, 2015, 01:19:54 PM
I just want somebody to explain to me how the PP could be winning Tunapuna at this point and they haven't named a candidate as yet.
I could understand that in a safe seat where it doesn't matter who is the candidate but in a marginal??!!! And Tunapuna is DE MARGINAL of all marginals.
So how de PP winning at this time without a candidate named and campaigning in the constituency?? ??? :-\ :thinking: :waiting:
Ultimately, this is a prime ministerial election....who wants Rowley as PM will vote for the respective PNM candidate in their constituency....who wants Kamla will vote accordingly. It's clear to me that people are willing to put up with poor representation at the constituency level if it means their preferred party/leader will be in power.
If the polls are to be believed, (and for reasons I can't seem to comprehend) Kamla still enjoys a high approval rating ....so I guess the Kamla lovers will vote for any PP stooge they put in the constituency as long as queen Kamla reigns supreme.
Post by: Sando prince on August 02, 2015, 10:01:02 PM
https://www.facebook.com/CCNTV6/videos/vb.192696260772574/922226957819497/?type=2&theater
Post by: Sando prince on August 03, 2015, 05:51:13 PM
The fact that UNC has only named less than 10 candidates with just one month remaining before elections simply means they are using "Kamla" name to win the election. I see their foot soldiers all over social media saying don't worry about who your candidate will be, just remember to vote for Kamla.
Post by: davyjenny1 on August 03, 2015, 06:19:20 PM
Post by: Controversial on August 03, 2015, 06:20:55 PM
The ‘new’ PNM’s moving target
Published on Aug 2, 2015, 8:29 pm AST
Trying to hit a moving target is how Fitzgerald Hinds described PNM’s failed attempts over their 40 years in power trying to deal with the problems in T&T on a recent Morning Edition interview with Fazeer Mohammed. It’s a work in progress as the target keeps moving he says. Boy I like this Rastafarian too bad. In his usual animated and witty manner he tried his best not to associate or disassociate Rowley’s “new PNM” with the “old PNM”.
A conundrum to say the least—as no matter how you try you can’t change DNA. Dr Rowley may very well make a good PM but he can’t change where he came from and who he is—a product of the PNM. But you know something I have looked at his slate of candidates and save and except a few old party hacks to appeal to the diehards he has presented a majority of new few faces—a new PNM?
In fact when you listen to him he actually speaks to the need for a change in culture—a culture that has been cultivated by the said PNM over generations. So would the “new PNM” if elected to governance have the political balls to take action to change an inherently cynical society, burdened by escalating crime, a pervasive Carnival mentality, and a PNM culture of near total dependency on the State?
Or would the target continue to be moving?
Ricardo Lijertwood
Post by: AB.Trini on August 03, 2015, 10:33:57 PM
The say no to Rowley campaign- is a bitter testament to a shift from looking at political agendas to personal character degration. Likewise the all for Kamla is immature and lame i attempting to garner emotional sympathy and votes to mask political realities- with many constituents void of declared candidates, how could the electorates be so dumbfounded and chupid to turn to you ent see crap one more time?
I continue to be appalled and disdained by the political ignorance and mass misleading propaganda . Youknow trishaws become an ethno tribal show of who could align best with those willing to provide political favours for personal gains -Shameshame - wakeuppeople and see the yampee in yuh eyes before yuh say no or yes to anyone.
Post by: davyjenny1 on August 05, 2015, 09:17:41 AM
What sort of measures were used to select the panel as well as the questions?T&T is ah real backward place. The general public including the opposition party now expressing concerns regarding questions asked by journalists. smh!
Post by: Sando prince on August 05, 2015, 09:41:26 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/Pw9FTU89uHo
Post by: Sando prince on August 05, 2015, 04:21:11 PM
People all over FB posting the email messages Kamla sending them begging for their vote :rotfl:
Post by: Deeks on August 05, 2015, 05:48:26 PM
Post by: AB.Trini on August 05, 2015, 06:46:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/Pw9FTU89uHo
Real something g that with all the factual evidence cited it have people done ready to dismiss what is before them and set to bring back imcompetence as the order of the day! When was the last timely uh saw so many ministers sacked /resigned or some still hiding behind ah skirt begging fuh mercy?
Is this the kind of government " Controversial' people want? It seems so lol
Post by: Bourbon on August 06, 2015, 05:29:52 AM
People all over FB posting the email messages Kamla sending them begging for their vote :rotfl:
I was feeling unimportant then I see it in my spam.
Problem is last time I checked...my name wasn't Nigel. :-\ I wasnt sure if I reply giving them reason to contact me further.
Honestly, I think this is better than calls on personal numbers though. Spam is spam...mine get pick up by the filter.
*Edit: A man in work here get it too...on his WORK email...which he only used outside of work on his GATE form. So...are these bits of contact information being lifted from official government documentation? Is this legal for a party to do this? Cause this is not the government of Trinidad and Tobago contacting you...its a party campaigning.
Post by: Controversial on August 06, 2015, 09:07:50 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/Pw9FTU89uHo
Real something g that with all the factual evidence cited it have people done ready to dismiss what is before them and set to bring back imcompetence as the order of the day! When was the last timely uh saw so many ministers sacked /resigned or some still hiding behind ah skirt begging fuh mercy?
Is this the kind of government " Controversial' people want? It seems so lol
I'm not a partisan supporter like yourself AB.. I'm not that dumb to get catch by politicians
Who is my people? My people is the people of Trinidad and Tobago, regardless of race or religion.. So explain to me what you mean by my people?
Post by: Sando prince on August 06, 2015, 10:13:05 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/bFd535tU9wA
Post by: AB.Trini on August 06, 2015, 09:35:26 PM
Post by: pull stones on August 06, 2015, 10:23:15 PM
Post by: weary1969 on August 06, 2015, 11:04:45 PM
wow been following this election due to this thread and truth be told i am intrigued. this prime minister is a slick one isn't she, i must say that it was a cheeky decision to call the election on the labor day in brooklyn which is a high travel season for west indians who go away for the summer both in the UK and in america. the questions is, does trinidad and tobago engage in absentee ballots for people who cannot be present on the island for the elections?
NO
Post by: Bourbon on August 07, 2015, 05:48:48 AM
In special circumstances they do... Like if you working offshore etc.wow been following this election due to this thread and truth be told i am intrigued. this prime minister is a slick one isn't she, i must say that it was a cheeky decision to call the election on the labor day in brooklyn which is a high travel season for west indians who go away for the summer both in the UK and in america. the questions is, does trinidad and tobago engage in absentee ballots for people who cannot be present on the island for the elections?
NO
Post by: weary1969 on August 07, 2015, 08:18:29 AM
1. #soe cuz juss so, juss so you get ah morning and decide to curtail my free movement. Lock up ah setta ppl for nothing....gone from here 'oman!!!!
Post by: Brownsugar on August 07, 2015, 11:52:30 AM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20150802/letters/the-new-pnms-moving-target (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20150802/letters/the-new-pnms-moving-target)
The ‘new’ PNM’s moving target
Published on Aug 2, 2015, 8:29 pm AST
Trying to hit a moving target is how Fitzgerald Hinds described PNM’s failed attempts over their 40 years in power trying to deal with the problems in T&T on a recent Morning Edition interview with Fazeer Mohammed. It’s a work in progress as the target keeps moving he says. Boy I like this Rastafarian too bad. In his usual animated and witty manner he tried his best not to associate or disassociate Rowley’s “new PNM” with the “old PNM”.
A conundrum to say the least—as no matter how you try you can’t change DNA. Dr Rowley may very well make a good PM but he can’t change where he came from and who he is—a product of the PNM. But you know something I have looked at his slate of candidates and save and except a few old party hacks to appeal to the diehards he has presented a majority of new few faces—a new PNM?
In fact when you listen to him he actually speaks to the need for a change in culture—a culture that has been cultivated by the said PNM over generations. So would the “new PNM” if elected to governance have the political balls to take action to change an inherently cynical society, burdened by escalating crime, a pervasive Carnival mentality, and a PNM culture of near total dependency on the State?
Or would the target continue to be moving?
Ricardo Lijertwood
Ever since Dr. Rowley took over the helm of the party I've found him to be more open than his predecessors to changing things. Two prime examples are removing the balisier on ties in Parliament (its optional now) and removing the veto power for the selection of candidates.
On top of that, he offered himself for reelection of Political Leader a year before the elections were due so PNMites could decide for the GE who they preferred to lead them into battle.
For those who are claiming they are not hearing the issues or hearing of his plans can go to the party's you tube channel and specifically tune into the "Conversation with Dr. Rowley" Q&A sessions that are live streamed every Monday night online.
They've replayed two of those sessions on CNC3 and TV6 in the past 2 - 3 weeks. I find those sessions more informative than what is presented in the typical platform campaign style.
But overall, T&T real friggin hard to govern!! The ppl who offer themselves up real brave yes.....not me I eh able....
Post by: Brownsugar on August 07, 2015, 11:56:20 AM
In special circumstances they do... Like if you working offshore etc.wow been following this election due to this thread and truth be told i am intrigued. this prime minister is a slick one isn't she, i must say that it was a cheeky decision to call the election on the labor day in brooklyn which is a high travel season for west indians who go away for the summer both in the UK and in america. the questions is, does trinidad and tobago engage in absentee ballots for people who cannot be present on the island for the elections?
NO
Member of the Police, army. People who working for the Election and Boundaries commission on election day, if you work in Trinidad or Tobago but is registered to vote on the other island, if you will be in hospital (carded for surgery for example)......they are referred to as Special Electors..
But being out of the country doesn't count. The legislation (like so many others) needs revising............
Post by: Sando prince on August 07, 2015, 12:20:48 PM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20150802/letters/the-new-pnms-moving-target (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20150802/letters/the-new-pnms-moving-target)
The ‘new’ PNM’s moving target
Published on Aug 2, 2015, 8:29 pm AST
Trying to hit a moving target is how Fitzgerald Hinds described PNM’s failed attempts over their 40 years in power trying to deal with the problems in T&T on a recent Morning Edition interview with Fazeer Mohammed. It’s a work in progress as the target keeps moving he says. Boy I like this Rastafarian too bad. In his usual animated and witty manner he tried his best not to associate or disassociate Rowley’s “new PNM” with the “old PNM”.
A conundrum to say the least—as no matter how you try you can’t change DNA. Dr Rowley may very well make a good PM but he can’t change where he came from and who he is—a product of the PNM. But you know something I have looked at his slate of candidates and save and except a few old party hacks to appeal to the diehards he has presented a majority of new few faces—a new PNM?
In fact when you listen to him he actually speaks to the need for a change in culture—a culture that has been cultivated by the said PNM over generations. So would the “new PNM” if elected to governance have the political balls to take action to change an inherently cynical society, burdened by escalating crime, a pervasive Carnival mentality, and a PNM culture of near total dependency on the State?
Or would the target continue to be moving?
Ricardo Lijertwood
Ever since Dr. Rowley took over the helm of the party I've found him to be more open than his predecessors to changing things. Two prime examples are removing the balisier on ties in Parliament (its optional now) and removing the veto power for the selection of candidates.
On top of that, he offered himself for reelection of Political Leader a year before the elections were due so PNMites could decide for the GE who they preferred to lead them into battle.
For those who are claiming they are not hearing the issues or hearing of his plans can go to the party's you tube channel and specifically tune into the "Conversation with Dr. Rowley" Q&A sessions that are live streamed every Monday night online.
They've replayed two of those sessions on CNC3 and TV6 in the past 2 - 3 weeks. I find those sessions more informative than what is presented in the typical platform campaign style.
But overall, T&T real friggin hard to govern!! The ppl who offer themselves up real brave yes.....not me I eh able....
You can find all them conversations online from the PNM youtube channel here;
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4AairfcC3wEYoJJecveSqA (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4AairfcC3wEYoJJecveSqA)
Post by: Sando prince on August 07, 2015, 07:38:26 PM
Boy Rodney Charles yuh working real hard for this election win
Post by: Deeks on August 08, 2015, 01:09:44 AM
the ends always justify the means!! this is politics. By all means necessary!!!
Post by: pull stones on August 09, 2015, 04:13:44 AM
So Anika Gumbs is making claims about an incident that happened with Dr Rowley in January that made her feel uncomfortable but yet she went back to do an interview with him on April 9th and then again on April 20th and she decided to retire from the Express on August 7th because of the incident. :Dmy goodness trini elections do have a lot of drama dont it. now it is rowley's turn to sit on the hot plate. what an idiot. i wonder why he is always getting mixed in with sexual misconduct? i am afraid that this one here might sink ole rowley if he dont come up with something more believable than a simple "i didnt do it". in light of the bill cosby rape fiasco my guess is that women will be less enthusiastic to vote for the bloke especially when he was accused of raping a school girl in tobago years ago and gyrating on the 17 year old chick on carnival day, now this which makes him out to be a little too hot in the pants
Boy Rodney Charles yuh working real hard for this election win
it's my opinion if he loses this election then it would serve him right for lacking vigilance and not protecting himself from these obvious traps, it's like he didn't learn anything from the french hopeful dominique strauss kahn whom i strongly believe was set up by francois hollande and his people. i like this guy but if i was a voter i would rather have a silly doltish woman than a sexual deviant male PM. i think it's safe to say bye bye rowley it looks like check mate to me and you could kiss being the prime minister good bye. it seem like kamla has finally huff his king. controversial will have a party in rowley's dishonor.
Post by: Brownsugar on August 09, 2015, 07:45:04 AM
So Anika Gumbs is making claims about an incident that happened with Dr Rowley in January that made her feel uncomfortable but yet she went back to do an interview with him on April 9th and then again on April 20th and she decided to retire from the Express on August 7th because of the incident. :Dmy goodness trini elections do have a lot of drama dont it. now it is rowley's turn to sit on the hot plate. what an idiot. i wonder why he is always getting mixed in with sexual misconduct? i am afraid that this one here might sink ole rowley if he dont come up with something more believable than a simple "i didnt do it". in light of the bill cosby rape fiasco my guess is that women will be less enthusiastic to vote for the bloke especially when he was accused of raping a school girl in tobago years ago and gyrating on the 17 year old chick on carnival day, now this which makes him out to be a little too hot in the pants
Boy Rodney Charles yuh working real hard for this election win
it's my opinion if he loses this election then it would serve him right for lacking vigilance and not protecting himself from these obvious traps, it's like he didn't learn anything from the french hopeful dominique strauss kahn whom i strongly believe was set up by francois hollande and his people. i like this guy but if i was a voter i would rather have a silly doltish woman than a sexual deviant male PM. i think it's safe to say bye bye rowley it looks like check mate to me and you could kiss being the prime minister good bye. it seem like kamla has finally huff his king. controversial will have a party in rowley's dishonor.
uuuummmm yuh know why Vernella Allyene-Toppin was replaced by another loser candidate for the TOP in Tobago East?? Because Tobagonians was set like mappipre for she arse should she have dared to appear on a platform. Yuh know why? Because she was the one the UNC used to bring that rape a school girl foolishness under the cover of Parliament and was roundly condemned for it in all quarters....
This was after the wine on a young girl trick lost steam.....now this......
The initial response to Ms. Gumbs' story so far has been, "she for real??" of course I expect the UNC propaganda machine to go into high gear with it and turn off more ppl in the process......
My fear is, we eh see nutten yet......de UNC probably eh pull off their most nasty trick yet.....they sicken me.....
Post by: Sando prince on August 09, 2015, 09:19:07 AM
So Anika Gumbs is making claims about an incident that happened with Dr Rowley in January that made her feel uncomfortable but yet she went back to do an interview with him on April 9th and then again on April 20th and she decided to retire from the Express on August 7th because of the incident. :Dmy goodness trini elections do have a lot of drama dont it. now it is rowley's turn to sit on the hot plate. what an idiot. i wonder why he is always getting mixed in with sexual misconduct? i am afraid that this one here might sink ole rowley if he dont come up with something more believable than a simple "i didnt do it". in light of the bill cosby rape fiasco my guess is that women will be less enthusiastic to vote for the bloke especially when he was accused of raping a school girl in tobago years ago and gyrating on the 17 year old chick on carnival day, now this which makes him out to be a little too hot in the pants
Boy Rodney Charles yuh working real hard for this election win
it's my opinion if he loses this election then it would serve him right for lacking vigilance and not protecting himself from these obvious traps, it's like he didn't learn anything from the french hopeful dominique strauss kahn whom i strongly believe was set up by francois hollande and his people. i like this guy but if i was a voter i would rather have a silly doltish woman than a sexual deviant male PM. i think it's safe to say bye bye rowley it looks like check mate to me and you could kiss being the prime minister good bye. it seem like kamla has finally huff his king. controversial will have a party in rowley's dishonor.
You drank the UNC election tactics (yellow cool-aid). I am sure more people in T&T not drinking this cool aid
Post by: pull stones on August 09, 2015, 03:13:41 PM
dr rowley should have known better especially after these people drug him through the mud with the land issue he should leave no stone unturned knowing fully well that these people was trying their best to make him out to be be some kind of sexual predator and not fit to lead, yet despite threats against his life he found himself in a mass costume down in san fernando and without his wife at his side giving these morons another shot at him. this here is not about whether he did it or not, it's about him not having the mindset of due diligence to avoid these people and not render any opportunity for a scandal to hatch. that is my gripe with the good doctor, he needs to be more professional and less colloquial.
Post by: lefty on August 09, 2015, 03:24:35 PM
no no no SP and brown sugar you have me all wrong. what i intended to convey was that dr rowley knows these people better than you and i combined yet he keeps finding himself in these kind of compromising positions knowing fully well the nature of politics and how dirty it can be. why on earth did he even allow this woman to come to his home for an interview in the first place, and why wasn't his wife or someone present when this interview was being conducted, and why on earth would you carry yourself so unprofessional by showing up half naked (bare chested) for an interview especially when you are vying for the highest office in the land?
dr rowley should have known better especially after these people drug him through the mud with the land issue he should leave no stone unturned knowing fully well that these people was trying their best to make him out to be be some kind of sexual predator and not fit to lead, yet despite threats against his life he found himself in a mass costume down in san fernando and without his wife at his side giving these morons another shot at him. this here is not about whether he did it or not, it's about him not having the mindset of due diligence to avoid these people and not render any opportunity for a scandal to hatch. that is my gripe with the good doctor, he needs to be more professional and less colloquial.
I have these same concerns..........sometimes d forethought and ability to to think on his feet does be lacking......yuh have to be ready to cover yuh angles and check yuh corners in this game..............especially with dem snake
Post by: Jumbie on August 09, 2015, 05:26:35 PM
Post by: asylumseeker on August 09, 2015, 06:02:09 PM
sexual predator vs incompetent drunk?
Incompetent predator v sexual drunk?
Post by: Sando prince on August 09, 2015, 06:28:37 PM
sexual predator vs incompetent drunk?
Incompetent predator vs competent sexual, corrupt, divisive drunk?
Post by: Sando prince on August 09, 2015, 06:38:01 PM
Post by: Sando prince on August 09, 2015, 06:38:24 PM
^^ Very good strong delivery speech from Shamfa Cudjoe
Post by: Jumbie on August 09, 2015, 06:59:21 PM
sexual predator vs incompetent drunk?
Incompetent predator vs competent sexual, corrupt, divisive drunk?
stick to posting links.. yuh come back in the deep end!
Post by: Sando prince on August 09, 2015, 07:06:14 PM
sexual predator vs incompetent drunk?
Incompetent predator vs competent sexual, corrupt, divisive drunk?
stick to posting links.. yuh come back in the deep end!
Stick to being an occasional peeper so I will not have to embarrass you again
Post by: Jumbie on August 09, 2015, 07:33:23 PM
embarrass me :rotfl: :rotfl: that is your refection you're seeing in the darkspot in the screen kid.
Post by: Sando prince on August 10, 2015, 09:02:43 PM
Confirmation from the National Security Minister that there is indeed a death threat against the life of Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley.
Minister Brigadier Carlton Alfonso says the matter is being investigated by law enforcement officials."
Khamal Georges has more.
https://www.facebook.com/CNC3Television/videos/10153546882962996/?fref=nf
Post by: Bourbon on August 11, 2015, 04:49:18 AM
"NATIONAL SECURITY MINISTER CONFIRMS THREAT AGAINST DR KEITH ROWLEY
Confirmation from the National Security Minister that there is indeed a death threat against the life of Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley.
Minister Brigadier Carlton Alfonso says the matter is being investigated by law enforcement officials."
Khamal Georges has more.
https://www.facebook.com/CNC3Television/videos/10153546882962996/?fref=nf
Yuh know...at first when they asked him he didnt know.
This beyond normal ridiculous now. Not sure how credible it is or could be but in the aftermath of Dana's murder....cant be chanced.
Post by: Sando prince on August 11, 2015, 09:52:20 AM
"NATIONAL SECURITY MINISTER CONFIRMS THREAT AGAINST DR KEITH ROWLEY
Confirmation from the National Security Minister that there is indeed a death threat against the life of Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley.
Minister Brigadier Carlton Alfonso says the matter is being investigated by law enforcement officials."
Khamal Georges has more.
https://www.facebook.com/CNC3Television/videos/10153546882962996/?fref=nf
Yuh know...at first when they asked him he didnt know.
This beyond normal ridiculous now. Not sure how credible it is or could be but in the aftermath of Dana's murder....cant be chanced.
same ting I saying!
all threats have to be taken seriously regardless who is doing the threat. Now that it is confirmed there was a threat then I see no reason for the ant-Rowley Kamla lovers to still criticize the issue
Post by: pull stones on August 12, 2015, 03:54:34 AM
rowley may have a strong following who may stay faithful despite all the allegations, but we must keep in mind that there are people on the fences who may not be so happy to stain their finger for such a man whether how true or false the allegations may be, seeing that there might be a pattern here regarding his inability to curb his sexual urges. people whom he may need to give him the edge. not saying that the gumbs chick was honest about her alleged encounter, but had the dr not went to carnival and stayed home with his family and sat that carnival out instead, he may have had some wiggle room to deny these new allegations (strike two). i would also think that after that carnival debacle that he would have learned a lesson and had kept his wife close to him on april 9 and 20th during his interviews with mizz gumbs knowing full well that the UNC was trying to set him up with the 17 year old on carnival day and would more than likely try again with someone else, yet rowley didn't take heed and treated this thing like it was in the bag (strike three).
it would be an absolute miracle if rowley pulled this one off for the simple fact that he's already portrayed in the media as a bullish aggressive crude individual, and to add sexual deviant to the list might just be the tipping point the persad bissessar's cabal may have been hoping for in order to steal another five years from the unsuspecting impressionable doltish as all hell john public. as we all know image is every thing especially in trinidad, and maybe not so much in tobago. good luck keith ole man, you will need it.
Post by: Sando prince on August 12, 2015, 09:40:43 AM
Nobody in Tunapuna know who is this man. Is like the UNC/PP scraping the bottom of the barrel for candidates.
http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-Grumbling-Over-COP-Tunapuna-Candidate--2780---321335941.html (http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-Grumbling-Over-COP-Tunapuna-Candidate--2780---321335941.html)
Post by: Sando prince on August 12, 2015, 09:42:42 AM
.. and what going on here :rotfl: this is to bring some laughter into the thread. (but it may have some truth to it eh)
https://www.facebook.com/Gelasintus/videos/10153555807096018/ (https://www.facebook.com/Gelasintus/videos/10153555807096018/)
Post by: Bourbon on August 12, 2015, 03:54:49 PM
Post by: Sando prince on August 12, 2015, 04:20:09 PM
^^ Most people in Trinidad not taking that Anika Gumbs story seriously because it not adding up and raise more questions about her and questions the validity of her allegations than anything else. Iz only meh boy pull stones in here kecthing a heart attack :D
Post by: pull stones on August 12, 2015, 05:38:37 PM
assuredly not. in all honesty i dont know anything about politics in trinidad and tobago other than what i heard at my dinner table or what i have read on social media and in the news media. it's only recently after the excitement of the gold cup came to an end and with the european football leagues still out i ventured into the general discussion only because this controversial bloke was on about PNM this that and the other so i engaged him, and regrettably so.
^^ Most people in Trinidad not taking that Anika Gumbs story seriously because it not adding up and raise more questions about her and questions the validity of her allegations than anything else. Iz only meh boy pull stones in here kecthing a heart attack :D
believe me when i say that i don't sweat anything that is going on in trinidad ATM. one day i will like to move to tobago and build a nice ranch if i get the land that is, and would like to see a stable government installed so i could invest my life savings in a stable economy, plus trinidad and tobago is my home so why wouldn't i want the best for the nation? i would like nothing better than to see it's leaders take advantage of it's full potential, and there in lies my concerns.
Post by: MEP on August 13, 2015, 11:25:37 AM
Dude do yourself a favor and stop posting..the nonsense you are talking is absolutely mind-boggling but you justify it with you don't sweat about anything in TnT my lawd go back under your rock.assuredly not. in all honesty i dont know anything about politics in trinidad and tobago other than what i heard at my dinner table or what i have read on social media and in the news media. it's only recently after the excitement of the gold cup came to an end and with the european football leagues still out i ventured into the general discussion only because this controversial bloke was on about PNM this that and the other so i engaged him, and regrettably so.
^^ Most people in Trinidad not taking that Anika Gumbs story seriously because it not adding up and raise more questions about her and questions the validity of her allegations than anything else. Iz only meh boy pull stones in here kecthing a heart attack :D
believe me when i say that i don't sweat anything that is going on in trinidad ATM. one day i will like to move to tobago and build a nice ranch if i get the land that is, and would like to see a stable government installed so i could invest my life savings in a stable economy, plus trinidad and tobago is my home so why wouldn't i want the best for the nation? i would like nothing better than to see it's leaders take advantage of it's full potential, and there in lies my concerns.
Post by: fari on August 13, 2015, 02:08:38 PM
Dude do yourself a favor and stop posting..the nonsense you are talking is absolutely mind-boggling but you justify it with you don't sweat about anything in TnT my lawd go back under your rock.assuredly not. in all honesty i dont know anything about politics in trinidad and tobago other than what i heard at my dinner table or what i have read on social media and in the news media. it's only recently after the excitement of the gold cup came to an end and with the european football leagues still out i ventured into the general discussion only because this controversial bloke was on about PNM this that and the other so i engaged him, and regrettably so.
^^ Most people in Trinidad not taking that Anika Gumbs story seriously because it not adding up and raise more questions about her and questions the validity of her allegations than anything else. Iz only meh boy pull stones in here kecthing a heart attack :D
believe me when i say that i don't sweat anything that is going on in trinidad ATM. one day i will like to move to tobago and build a nice ranch if i get the land that is, and would like to see a stable government installed so i could invest my life savings in a stable economy, plus trinidad and tobago is my home so why wouldn't i want the best for the nation? i would like nothing better than to see it's leaders take advantage of it's full potential, and there in lies my concerns.
for real...you don't sweat anything going on in Trinidad but you want to move back to Tobago?? ??? ???
Post by: pull stones on August 13, 2015, 04:17:51 PM
i guess the term "ATM" (at the moment) and "one day" holds very little significance and flew right over your head in your haste to be critical aye mate? it seems like reading comprehension is a rare commodity with the aggressors around here.Dude do yourself a favor and stop posting..the nonsense you are talking is absolutely mind-boggling but you justify it with you don't sweat about anything in TnT my lawd go back under your rock.assuredly not. in all honesty i dont know anything about politics in trinidad and tobago other than what i heard at my dinner table or what i have read on social media and in the news media. it's only recently after the excitement of the gold cup came to an end and with the european football leagues still out i ventured into the general discussion only because this controversial bloke was on about PNM this that and the other so i engaged him, and regrettably so.
^^ Most people in Trinidad not taking that Anika Gumbs story seriously because it not adding up and raise more questions about her and questions the validity of her allegations than anything else. Iz only meh boy pull stones in here kecthing a heart attack :D
believe me when i say that i don't sweat anything that is going on in trinidad ATM. one day i will like to move to tobago and build a nice ranch if i get the land that is, and would like to see a stable government installed so i could invest my life savings in a stable economy, plus trinidad and tobago is my home so why wouldn't i want the best for the nation? i would like nothing better than to see it's leaders take advantage of it's full potential, and there in lies my concerns.
for real...you don't sweat anything going on in Trinidad but you want to move back to Tobago?? ??? ???
Post by: Sando prince on August 14, 2015, 06:58:55 PM
Jack: ILP strategy to not fight Tunapuna, St Joseph
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20150814/news/jack-ilp-strategy-to-not-fight-tunapuna-st-joseph
By Joel Julien
THE INDEPENDENT Liberal Party (ILP) will not be contesting the upcoming general election in the Tunapuna and St Joseph constituencies.
This was disclosed by the party’s political leader, corruption-accused Jack Warner, at an ILP meeting in Arima on Thursday night.
Warner said the ILP decided not to send any candidates in the two constituencies as a strategic move to ensure there is a “straight fight” between the People’s National Movement (PNM) and the People’s Partnership.
However, the ILP will tell the electorate in those two constituencies who not to vote for.
Warner also described the Congress of the People’s (COP) prospective candidate for Tunapuna, Hamlyn Jailal, as “a UNC (United National Congress) in COP clothes”.
“No shame whatsoever. No screening, and I say tonight, we have made a vow, we shall not put any candidates in Tunapuna and St Joseph,” said Warner.
“It will be a straight fight between the PNM and the UNC. Straight fight, but with one difference.
“We shall campaign in those two constituencies. We shall talk to those two constituencies, and we shall tell our supporters who not to vote for.
“Because at no point in time must we do anything to jeopardise the chances of moving Kamla (Persad-Bissessar) from office,” Warner said.
Strategic move
Warner said the move not to field any candidates in the two marginal constituencies was a strategic one.
“We did a survey and a poll, our private poll; it said that if we go into St Joseph and Tunapuna that would cause a division and the UNC may win. We were told that.
“And, therefore, we said that being the case, we will not go there,” Warner said.
The ILP is expected to contest 31 seats in the September 7 general election, Warner said.
“We felt that the candidates we had were not of the level or the standard to fight Siparia, Oropouche East, Naparima and so on, so there are some selected constituencies where we felt we would not waste time and money.
“Because the critical thing for us to do is to get three to five, seven seats.
“When it happens, we shall be in charge,” he said.
The ILP is scheduled to unveil its candidates from 6 p.m. tomorrow at Dollar Value Supermarket, Montrose Junction, Chaguanas.
Post by: Sando prince on August 14, 2015, 08:55:38 PM
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Post by: Socapro on August 15, 2015, 09:01:08 AM
Published: Saturday, August 15, 2015 (T&T Guardian)
Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar last night announced United National Congress (UNC) candidates to contest two marginal seats previously held by their coalition partners, the Congress of the People.
They are former Senate President Raziah Ahmed for San Fernando West and economist Wayne Munroe for Tunapuna.
They were among candidates named at Rienzi Complex, Couva, shortly after 10 pm. Other newcomers on the UNC slate include People’s Partnership campaign manager Rodney Charles, who will be contesting the Naparima seat and Minister of the People Christine Newallo-Hosein, the candidate for Cumuto/Manzanilla.
Persad-Bissessar said not all the party’s candidates had yet been named because a few seats were still being negotiated.
The PP will present their full slate of candidates tomorrow at the Ato Boldon Stadium, Couva.
The UNC candidates named so far are:
Siparia: Kamla Persad-Bissessar
Caroni East: Dr Tim Gopeesingh
Chaguanas West: Ganga Singh
San Juan/Barataria: Dr Fuad Khan
Chaguanas East: Fazal Karim
Couva North: Ramona Ramdial
Couva South: Rudy Indarsingh
Cumuto/Manzanilla: Christine Newallo-Hosein
Diego Martin North East: Garvin Nicholas
Fyzabad: Lackram Bodoe
La Horquetta/Talparo: Jairam Seemungal
Mayaro: Roger Morales
Naparima: Rodney Charles
Oropuche East: Dr Roodal Moonilal
Oroupouche West: Vidya Guyadeen-Gopeesingh
Port-of-Spain North/St Anns West: Eli Zakour
Moruga/Tableland: Clifton de Couteau
San Fernando West: Raziah Ahmed
Pointe-a-Pierre: Dr David Lee
St Anns East: Don Sylvester
St Joseph: Vasant Bharath
Tabaquite: Suruj Rambachan
Toco/Sangre Grande: Brent Sancho
Tunapuna: Wayne Munroe
Post by: Socapro on August 15, 2015, 09:24:27 AM
COP goes with 8 candidates (http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-08-15/cop-goes-8-candidates)
By Rhonda Krystal Rambally (T&T Guardian)
Published: Saturday, August 15, 2015
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p12/Socapro/COP%20leader%20Prakash%20Ramadhar%20centre%20introduces%20his%20slate%20for%20the%20September%207%20general%20elections.jpg) (http://s124.photobucket.com/user/Socapro/media/COP%20leader%20Prakash%20Ramadhar%20centre%20introduces%20his%20slate%20for%20the%20September%207%20general%20elections.jpg.html)
COP leader Prakash Ramadhar, centre, introduces his slate for the September 7 general elections at the Bishop Anstey/Trinity College East auditorium in Trincity last night. From left is Dr Lincoln Douglas (Lopinot/Bon Air West), Rodger Samuel (Arima), Patricia Metivier-Cedeno (D’abadie/O’meara), Wendell Eversley (Arouca/Maloney), Ashaki Scott (San Fernando East), Avonelle Hector (Diego Martin West) and Cleveland Garcia (Port-of-Spain South). Photo: ABRAHAM DIAZ
The Congress of the People (COP) will not be contesting the marginal Tunapuna and San Fernando West seats in the September 7 general election, apparently giving them up to the more dominant partner in the People’s Partnership, the United National Congress.
In making the announcement last night at a candidates rally at Trinity College East, COP leader Prakash Ramadhar said the party, which entered the coalition Government in 2010 with six seats, will now contest eight seats, seven of which are historically won by the People’s National Movement.
Ramadhar himself will contest the St Augustine seat while the only two other incumbents, Dr Rodger Samuel and Dr Lincoln Douglas, will face the electorate again in Arima and Lopinot/Bon Air West, respectively.
Earlier this week, Ramadhar had announced UNC operative Hamlyn Jailal as the party’s candidate for the bellwether seat of Tunapuna, but after Thursday’s night of negotiations among PP leaders Jailal was rejected in favour of a UNC candidate.
On Tuesday, Ramadhar had said Jailal was “the best choice” for that seat.
This means that the UNC will contest at least 26 seats, since the National Joint Action Committee has listed five candidates and the Tobago Organisation of the People has already chosen two candidates.
The COP is the second largest party in the People's Partnership.
Four months ago, Ramadhar was confident when he told reporters that the party would contest at least 13 seats in the next general election. He said then that the party would go after all the seats it had contested in the 2010 elections.
Back in 2010 the party contested the constituencies of Arima, D’Abadie/O’Meara, Lopinot/Bon Air West, San Fernando West, St Augustine, Tunapuna, Arouca/Maloney, Diego Martin Central, Diego Martin West, Laventille East/Morvant, Laventille West, Point Fortin and Port-of-Spain South.
But the fallout among top party members over the five years of the partnership and the ensuing contentious internal party elections have influenced two key players who were successful, Winston Dookeran in Tunapuna and Carolyn Seepersad-Bachan in San Fernando West, to opt out of the election contest.
Last night eight candidates were announced at the Presentation of Candidates Rally, dubbed ‘Serious People, Serious Politics.’
Speaking after the announcement, Ramadhar was tight-lipped about the decision to bypass Jailal, chairman of the UNC’s Tunapuna constituency.
Asked how he felt about the allocation of seats, he said, “We are about quality and we are also about quantity.”
He added, “There are still some outstanding matters that we will resolve. On Sunday I ask you to please be present to see the best slate of 41 candidates for all of Trinidad and Tobago.”
Pressed about the Jailal matter twice, Ramadhar repeated his previous statement.
The COP's candidates:
1. Port-of-Spain South - Cleveland Garcia
2. Diego Martin West - Avonelle Hector
3. San Fernando East - Ashaki Scott
4. Arouca/Maloney - Wendell Eversley
5. D'abadie/O'Meara - Patricia Metivier
6. Arima - Dr Rodger Samuel
7. Lopinot/Bon Air West - Dr Lincoln Douglas
8. St Augustine - Prakash Ramadhar
Post by: Sando prince on August 15, 2015, 09:42:17 AM
Gypsy boy yuh get used and abused.
Look how Rodney Charles give himself a safe seat eh. Maybe not UNC safe anymore since he contesting that seat
Post by: Socapro on August 15, 2015, 02:06:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/eShCWBMi7KA
Post by: AB.Trini on August 15, 2015, 03:54:57 PM
Talk about hypocracy? What do these people really stand for?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lgXh_Nxhdm0
Post by: Bourbon on August 15, 2015, 11:53:09 PM
(http://psephos.adam-carr.net/countries/t/trinidad/trinidad2000.gif)
(http://psephos.adam-carr.net/countries/t/trinidad/trinidad2001.gif)
(http://psephos.adam-carr.net/countries/t/trinidad/trinidad2002.gif)
(http://psephos.adam-carr.net/countries/t/trinidad/trinidad2007.gif)
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Post by: Sando prince on August 16, 2015, 11:28:26 AM
Listen to this man condem the same government he now going to run for inMayaro-
Talk about hypocracy? What do these people really stand for?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lgXh_Nxhdm0
Maybe dais why they changed him and bring in this man now. UNC screening committee clueless right now.
https://www.facebook.com/cnewslive/photos/a.10152268785070610.1073741835.377693645609/10153506374310610/?type=1&fref=nf (https://www.facebook.com/cnewslive/photos/a.10152268785070610.1073741835.377693645609/10153506374310610/?type=1&fref=nf)
Post by: che on August 16, 2015, 08:47:02 PM
Post by: Sando prince on August 16, 2015, 10:25:12 PM
People of sweet T&T. I was at a BBQ on Saturday. a few vacationing Trinis expressed to me that they may not vote in the upcoming elections. When I asked why, their answer was astonishing and a bit disappointing. Despite disapproving of the current administration their dislike for the other Parties leader prevents them from voting. I will never tell someone who to vote for. But by not voting in my opinion is the same as voting for the party that you disapprove of. People of T&T on Sept 7th. let your voices be heard VOTE.
A lot of people will be voting to get rid of Kamla.
Post by: Sando prince on August 20, 2015, 05:11:59 PM
PNM launched their manifesto for the country today. See the manifesto in its entirety here
http://pnm.org.tt/images/pdf/PNM_Manifesto_2015.pdf (http://pnm.org.tt/images/pdf/PNM_Manifesto_2015.pdf)
Post by: pull stones on August 21, 2015, 02:36:01 AM
great job sando, but i was streaming the presentation of the manifesto on tv6 last night and i have to tell you that imbert's presentation was rewarding despite his unsavory remarks made when he took to the podium, apart from that it was a lovely presentation. and just when it was getting good the stream failed and i couldn't get it back no matter how i tried.
PNM launched their manifesto for the country today. See the manifesto in its entirety here
http://pnm.org.tt/images/pdf/PNM_Manifesto_2015.pdf (http://pnm.org.tt/images/pdf/PNM_Manifesto_2015.pdf)
can you or anyone for that matter post the video clip of the presentation? would be much appreciated.
Post by: pull stones on August 21, 2015, 02:44:55 AM
Post by: Sando prince on August 21, 2015, 09:43:13 PM
as a new comer to all this election bachanal i believe that i am getting sucked in. there's never a dull moment and i would love to catch up on all the happenings before election day, especially since living in new york is so blooming boring and social media is my only friend ATM, which remind me i have a question, who the in dickens is isha wells and what is her connection to keith rowley?
No special personal connection. A PNM radio host supporter (I think she is still a supporter) who had a recent fall out with the party.
Post by: Sando prince on August 21, 2015, 09:44:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/OlvdwaiKELc
Post by: Sando prince on August 23, 2015, 10:23:29 AM
Election day coming soon and the credibility of this poll will be up for praise or scrutiny
Post by: pull stones on August 23, 2015, 07:06:55 PM
Another NACTA poll is saying PP leading in more of the marginals ;)politricks at best, that's all it is. they are trying to dissuade non UNC/PP supporters from going to the polls, it's the oldest political ploy in the world. it's like saying "why bother to vote, your vote wouldn't count anyway". these folks are doing anything to win. what a grimmey election this is. haha
Election day coming soon and the credibility of this poll will be up for praise or scrutiny
Post by: Brownsugar on August 23, 2015, 07:32:52 PM
Post by: Bourbon on August 24, 2015, 05:51:27 AM
Bye election: Terrence Deyalsingh (PNM) 6,357 votes
Ian Alleyne (UNC/PP) 5,577 votes
Om Lalla (ILP) 1,976 Errol Fabien (Ind) 300 votes.
2010 general election: Herbert Volney (PP)-10,835
Kennedy Swarathsingh (PNM)-7,778
2007 general election Kennedy Swarathsingh (PNM)-7,969
Carson Charles (UNC)-4,932
Gillian Lucky (COP)-4,344
2002 general election
Gerald Yetming (UNC)-9,352
Sharon Gopaul-Mc Nicol (PNM)-8,124
Kofi Applewhite (Citizen’s Alliance)-153
2001 general election
Carlos John (UNC)-8,824
Kayam Mohammed (PNM)-6,793
Saeed Mohammed (Team Unity)-242
2000 general election
Carlos John (UNC)-9,753
Donna Carter (PNM)-7,387
Best hope for PNM in this seat is to pull more than 10000 in votes... By targeting people who usually may not vote.. Either at all or for the PNM.. Dissatisfied voters.. And the support that they have would need a high turnout. Generally a high turnout is bad news for an incumbent so regardless of what getting people to come out and vote needed.
Post by: Brownsugar on August 24, 2015, 07:07:51 AM
I don't know how many of those ILP votes would have gone either way. I want to think that most of it may have come from ppl who traditionally voted UNC. Overall, Mr. Deyalsingh and the PNM have their work cut out for them in that seat.
I have a friend living in that seat who believes he can win. She said quite a few traditionally UNC voters have openly expressed their intention to vote PNM. Whether or not they actually do so remains to be seen.....
Interesting times are ahead........
Post by: Bourbon on August 24, 2015, 09:24:52 AM
Post by: dtool on August 24, 2015, 02:52:10 PM
Subject: A PARTIAL LIST OF THE SINS OF THE UNC
This is why I am voting PNM. ... Can someone update this list, it's up to August 2014 of the miss deeds of the UNC
1. May 2010 – Dr Rowley objects to appointment of Jack Warner as Minister. AG and PM defends Warner citing legal advice.
2. May 2010 – Present – Awarding Contracts without proper procedure
3. July 10th 2010 - Dr. Rowley’s Protest on Nizam Mohammed’s Appointment as head of the Police Service Commission – Nizam eventually fired by the President
4. August - November 2010 - URP Workers Fired
5. August 2010 - Pension promise of $3,000 for 60 year olds withdrawn
6. August 1st 2010 – Court Award Soca Warriors outstanding payments – TTFF still owes Soca Warriors.
7. August 18th 2010 - 28 Litter wardens at Tunapuna/Piarco Corporation Terminated.
8. August 27th 2010 - Acting Commissioner of Police James Philbert Contract Terminated before expiry after AG threats.
9. August 2010 - Head of the ODPM forced out
10. September 1st 2010 – Volney: “Hang then in the square”
11. September 2010 - Senior Journalists take up positions in the Government and GISL.
12. September 8th 2010 – Cancelation of the Smelter Project
13. September 8th 2010 - Curtailment of Rapid rail
14. September 16th 2010 - Volney’s attack on the Chief Justice
15. September 2010 - Cancellation of OPV’S
16. September 2010 - SAUTT Head Fired
17. September 2010 - New CoP and his Deputy appointed with million dollar salaries
18. October 1st 2010 - Poor apology by Volney for Attacking the CJ in the HOR
19. October 2010 - 400 Contract Clerical Staff at Primary Schools contracts not renewed.
20. October 2010 – Award of Airport lighting contract by Jack Warner without a Board or tendering process at Airports Authority.
21. October 13th 2010 - San Juan Market refurbishment halted by Sharma. Later reverses decision.
22. October 27th 2010 - Ingrid Isaac resigns as CEO of CNMG with over 3 years left on her contract. Subsequently sues CNMG.
23. October 2010 - Maxi Taxi Operators protest changes in PBR
24. October 27th 2010 - Ken Ali hired as CEO without Board and Advertisement
25. November 6th 2010 - Jack Warner says payment for Contractors in Bonds
26. November 10th 2010 - Dookeran says payment for Contractors in cash
27. November 19th 2010 - Hiring at Airports Authority: Communications, Property and Human Resource Managers without Board and Advertisements
28. November 2010 - Security Intelligence Agency (SIA) Files revealed in HOR
29. November 20th 2010 - URP Regional Managers Fired
30. November 7th 2010 - Firing of Fazeer Mohammed after interview with Rambachan.
31. December 4th 2010 – Justice Minister Volney claims that SIA Files were erased by two Israeli men.
32. December 7th 2010 - Anil Roberts fails to Account – Niki Minaj Show
33. December 15th 2010 - Ganga Singh appointed CEO at WASA – without Board and Advertisement
34. December 21st 2010 – Warner announces Regularization of PH Drivers
35. December 30th 2010 - Minister spoke of the reintroduction of Ghost Gangs in URP
36. December 2010 - Jack Warner was accused of betraying England in USA in world cup bid.
37. December 2010 - $13 Million Flood Relief for Farmers – within one month
38. December 2010 – Government claims Contractors owed $7 Billion. That figure is now in question.
39. January 2011 - CLICO payout – $7 Billion and still outstanding. What is the Correct figure?
40. January 12th 2011 – AG Ramlogan announces that a Grand Piano went missing from the PM Residence after Mr Manning Vacated. The piano was subsequently found at the same place days later.
41. January 17th 2011 - Gypsy claims that his supporters are not getting jobs in the URP
42. January 20th 2011 – Appointment of Reshmie Ramnarine as Head of SIA
43. January 28th 2011 – Motion on treatment of SIA Files debated in Parliament
44. February 2011 - Non – Renewal of Contracts for thousands of Government workers
45. February 11th 2011 – Susan Francois appointed Acting Director of the FIU
46. February 15th 2011 - 65 new Contracts for CEPEP without Board and Advertisements
47. February 2011 - Jack Warner dispute with CAL Board
48. Carnival 2011 - $2 Million Prize Money only for one year
49. March 10th 2011 - Mary King’s dismissal in corruption scandal
50. March 2011 -Vasant Bharath and promise of EU Money to Cane farmers
51. March 24th 2011 - 27 CEPEP Contractors Fired
52. March 25th 2011 – Nizam Mohammed Racist Comments at Parliamentary Committee.
53. March 2011 - Treatment of Medical Staff at San Fernando General Hospital
54. April 2011- PM’s Trips…too many?
55. April 4th 2011 – Nizam Mohammed dismissed as Chairman of PSC.
56. April 2011 - Eleven months - still appointing Boards
57. April 2011 - PSA demand for higher wages – based on pre-election promise
58. April 2011 - PSA Terms and Conditions. Many may not qualify for housing
59. April 18th 2011 - Victoria Keys “Restoration and Renovation Works ”
60. April 2011 - No invitation to Royal Wedding
61. April 25th 2011 - Bulldozing Farmers Crops
62. April 25th 2011 - True cost of Aircraft lease for Brazil Trip
63. April 26th 2011 – Subas Panday claims in Parliament that Reshmi Ramnarine was Fired as head of the SIA.
64. May 3rd 2011 – John Sandy claims in Parliament that Reshmi Ramnarine resigned as head of SIA.
65. May 7th 2012 – Susan Francois appointed Director of FIU
66. May 2011 - Jack Warner bribery scandal
67. May 17th 2011 - NP Gopauls Scandal
68. June 2011 - Delay in Infrastructure Projects
69. June 18th 2011 – Threating emails sent to Journalists are traced to PM advisor Sacha Mohammed.
70. June 19th 2011 – Jack Warner Resigns as VP of FIFA and President of CONCACAF as well as CFU.
71. July 12th 2011 - Criticizing Mega Farms then moving forward with it
72. July 27th 2011 – PM vetoes the top ranked person recommended for Director of FIU. Prefers Susan Francois.
73. July 2011 - Fuad Khan continuing Medical Practice as Minister
74. July 2011 – PM and 3 Ministers in Charge of URP
75. July – August 2011 - Wage Cap 5%
76. 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 - Economy at a standstill
77. August 19th 2011 - Gibbs Detained in Brazil. Out of Country during SoE
78. August 22nd 2011 - “Limited State” of Emergency Declared
79. August – December 2011 – Arrest of Persons with no evidence
80. August – December 2011 – Unions claim SoE to supress their activities
81. August – December 2011 – Continued deterioration of the economy due to SoE
82. September 2011 - Wasa takeover of lands opposite West Mall. The POS City Corporation subsequently sues and wins the case against WASA in Jan. 2013.
83. October 2011 - Devant Maharaj hires his mother Girlfriend
84. October 2011 – Bogus Tourism Award
85. October 2011 – Present - PM’s use of the Helicopter
86. October 11th 2011 - $1,000 Allowance for Security Personnel, some feel left out.
87. October 12th 2011 - Row with St. Cyr and Integrity Commission
88. November 2011 - Robocop assisting in Stephen Cadiz Election Campaign
89. November 6th 2011 – Ish and Steve win extradition hearing. To remain in Trinidad and Tobago to stand trial.
90. November 23rd 2011 - Assassination Plot
91. 2011, 2012, 2013 - Lowest Corruption Perception Index Rating
92. 2011-2012 - Sharma Vs. Lee Sing
93. 2011 – Present - CSO Statistics not being released
94. November 2011 -Ministry of Education and Tunapuna Hindu School Issue
95. December 2011 - Anil Roberts and the Boxing association.
96. December 13th 2011 Medals to National security personnel, Police prefers money
97. December 2011 - PM’s Toy Drive. Who is sponsoring the toys?
98. December 2011 - Several Branches of the Security Services going under the Office of the PM
99. January 2012 - Gibbs Aircraft Purchase
100. January 3rd 2012 – Sale of Blimp for $50,000
1. January 9th 2012 - Tewarie and Clico Testimony
1. January 2012 - Trip to India
2. January 2012 - Individuals going to India at high cost to state and no approval from their organizations.
3. January 8th 2012 - Award of Silk to themselves by AG and PM
4. January 17th 2012- Ministers purchase Porsche SUV’s
5. January 27th 2012 - Verna St. Rose, Stephen Cadiz in opposition to Death Penalty
6. January 2012 - Declining Tourism Industry
7. February 12th 2012 - Jack Warner Haiti Fund
1. February 2012 - Jack Warner and TTFF Funding
2. March 21st 2012 – Cheryl Miller committed to St Anns
3. April 2012 - Carnival in Tobago in October
4. April 25th 2012 – PM Sister’s travel expenditure amounts to over $800,000
5. June 17th 2012 – MSJ Pulls out of Partnership
6. June 23rd 2012 - Jack Warner as Minister of National Security amid FIFA allegations
7. June 26th 2012 - $10 Million Dollar Handshake to current Minister of Finance
8. June 27th 2012 - Destruction of Reroute Movement Camp by Warner
9. June 28th 2012 - Batiste Conelis Statements as a Diplomat of T&T
10. July 2012 - Dengue Outbreak?
1. July 2012 - Police Bicycle Patrol
2. July 7th 2012 - Attorney General and the ACIB
3. July 17th 2012-Appointment of Central Bank Governor (Qualifications questioned)
4. July 31st 2012 - Gibbs and Ewatski Resign
5. Aug. 1st 2012 - Million $ Payment to Gibbs and Ewatski
6. 2012-Present -Questions raised regarding Smart Cards disbursements
7. Aug. 27th 2012 - Partap Fired
8. Aug. 31st 2012 - Section 34
9. September 5th 2012 - Deep Water bid rounds deemed a “success”
10. Sept. 21st 2012 - Volney Fired
11. Oct 24th 2012 - Minister of Communication “Coolie” Statements
12. Oct 24th 2012 - Minister of Communication Letter to CCN
13. Nov 14th 2012 - OPV Arbitration “Win”
14. Nov 15th – Dec. 6th 2012-Kublalsingh Hunger Strike
15. Dec 8th 2012 - Ashworth Jack Million Dollar House
16. December 2012 – Bill for THA Self Governance before THA Polls
1. Dec 2012 – March 2013-Attacks on the President by members of Government
2. December – January 2012 – Money and Gifts for Votes in THA Elections
3. Jan. 27th 2013 - Qualifications of 1990 Commissioner comes under scrutiny
4. First few Months of 2013 - Escalating Crime
5. 2013 - Continued inability to stimulate Economic Growth
6. Early Feb. 2013 - Flying Squad Resurrection
7. March – April 2013 - Move to Precept of 1,000 Soldiers
8. March 25th 2013 - Government Spokes persons attacks Media
9. April 18th 2013 - Unjust Compensation Highway Reroute Movement
10. April 19th 2013 - Concacaf Report by Simmons
11. April 21st 2013 - Jack Warner Resigns as Minister and UNC Chairman
12. April 25th 2013 - Jack Warner Resigns as MP
13. April 29th 2013 - Pt. Fortin Highway Work Stopped
14. May 8th 2013 - CAL Director requests 19 free tickets
15. May 14th 2013 - CAL Reports over 700 Million Losses
16. May 20th 2013 - Emailgate/Sec. 34
17. June 2013 - $6.8 Million for Fire Truck Towing
18. June 6th 2013 - Auditor General’s 2012 Report: Millions overpaid to contract employees
19. June 2013 – Deputy Chairman at Airports Authority alleged to have false qualifications.
20. June – July 2013 - Allegations of Corruption fly back and forth during Chaguanas West Bye Election
21. Jack Warner Wins the Chaguanas Wes Bye Elections
22. July 30th 2013 -Colin Partap Found Guilty of charges relating to Refusal to take a Breathalyzer test
23. August 14th 2013 - Ministers 6 Houses being probed by Integrity Commission
24. August 18th 2013 - Lock down and arrests of over 100 persons in East Port of Spain, most released soon after.
1. August 2013 - Changes on how Aldermen are selected at Local Government level
2. August 25th 2013 - Cable Car to Laventille
3. August 2013 - Allegations of a Minister making a secret deal with OAS contractors in South Africa during the World Cup in 2010.
4. September 2013 - Return of Land and Building Taxes?
5. September 5th 2013 - Gary Griffith Nation Security Minister
6. September 9th 2013 - 2014 Budget – Largest in Nation’s History
7. September 9th 2013 - Speaker Wade Mark declared the St Joseph seat of Herbert Volney vacant.
8. October 14th 2013 - Ian Alleyne selected as UNC Candidate for St Joseph Bye Election. Questions arise regarding his criminal history.
9. October 25th 2013 – PP loses Local Government Election
10. October 2013 – Allegations of Fraud involving an Excavator and Bulldozer at National Quarries.
11. November 3rd 2013 – UNC Loses St Joseph Bye Election
12. November 11th 2013 – Allegations that and ILP Councillor received a $5 Million bribe to vote with the UNC in the Chaguanas borough Corporation.
13. December 2013 - NSOC falling under Office of Prime Minister
1. January 2014 - Continued Escalating Crime in 2014
2. January 2014 - FCB Deal with Executive trading Millions in shares.
3. March 25th 2014 - Firing of FCB Executive over Share purchase and sale
4. April 10th 2014 - Senator Ramkalawan Resigns over FCB Deal
5. March 11th 2014 – Allegations of bid rigging in WASA Waste Water Treatment Plant at Beetham
6. March 25th 2014 - Glen Ramadarsingh Fired (Misconduct on CAL Flight)
7. March 26th 2014 - Devant Maharaj tries to blame PNM for Pitbull attack
8. March 31st 2014 - Chandresh Sharma Resigns (Alleged Abuse of Ex-Girlfriend)
9. March 2014 - Allegations of Sexual Misconduct by Minister Delmont Baker
10. April 7th 2014 - Allegations of Glen Ramadarshingh promising HDC houses for sexual favours
11. April 2014 - 18 Months since Gibbs resigns and a permanent CoP unable to be appointed.
12. April 24th 2014 - AG and Flying Squad Report Leak
1. April 2014 – AG and Solicitor General (Prisiongate)
2. April 29th 2014 – Auditor General’s Report 2013
3. May 4th 2014 – Dana Seetahal Murdered. No one arrested to date. $3.5 Million reward offered.
4. May 2014 - US Dollar shortage
5. May 20th 2014 - Volney Apology to AG Ramlogan
6. May 20th 2014 – LifeSport Corruption
7. May 19th 2014 - Anil Roberts Video
8. May 23rd 2014 - UNC Racist placards for PNM March
9. May 30th 2014 – Minister on tape criticizing the “Cabal”
10. June 6th 2014 – Leak of Email and Government’s Plan to discredit Dr Rowley.
11. July/August 2014 – LifeSport Corruption
12. July 28th 2014 – Petrotrin Oil Spill at Point a Pierre Refinery
13. July 31st 2014 – Anil Roberts Fired
14. August 6th 2014 – Professor Ramesh Deosaran Resigns from the Police Service Commission.
15. August 11th 2014 – Constitution Amendment Bill to be debated in Parliament (Right to Recall)
16. August 21st 2014 – National Award given to Mr Manning and Mr Panday. Proper Protocol not adhered to and both reject awards.
Reshmi Ramnarine
NP and The Gopauls
Sasha Mohammed / Janice Thomas "Your time in the sun is numbered"
Nizam (Do you know who I am) Mohammed
Hafizool Mohammed - the Coup commissioner with false papers
Jamal Mohammed "stupid muslim coolie" e-mail
Section 34
Mary King's contract to family company Ixanos Limited
Collin Partap
the new secret flying squad
PM's sister Vidwatee Newton
Kamla's nephews and sister living in the official residence and using official vehicles
Ambassador Neil Parsan's racist divali message
Jack Warner & FIFA
Jack Warner & reporting crime figures, attempting to ban the police
Jack Warner and the Soca Warriors
Jack Warner & the Hyatt bribery scandal
Jack Warner on the whole
Dr. Wayne Kublalsingh's protest
the truth about the OPV reimbursement
Kamla and Jack's images on the national flag
CAL chairman $20,000 /month car rental
Vasant Bharath and the Porsche Cayenne
Kamla's false "gifts"
Anand Ramlogan and the Piano
Anand Ramlogan and Range Rovers
Anand Ramlogan and his million dollar property purchases
Anand Ramlogan renting property to government
Anand Ramlogan and his enrichment that purchased a mall in a foreign country
Ashworth Jack's mansion built with pumpkin and cucumber
the failed State of Emergency
Jack Ewatski and the toy plane
Dwayne Gibbs failure
Kamla and Anand self awarding SILK
Ish & Steve's numerous lifelines from the state
the Firetruck and
e-mailgate
the electronic monitoring of the DPP's office
property bought from a party supporter for 120 million that was worth 5 million
the Range Rover with the Flashing Blue Lights that Moonilal uses
Half a million MONTHLY rental for an unused building
Slap-Gate
Breastgrab-gate
Nipple/Penis-gate
Prison-gate
LifeSport-gate
Ganja-Gate ď Room 201-Gate
Fraudulent Chief State Solicitor's letter to Kublalsingh
Questionable SIS contracts…
Self Silk…
AG Witness Tampering…
Scandals at NGC, T&TEC, WASA, Petrotin…
the $353.7 million pay-out to favoured lawyers…
bugging the DPP's Office…
land grants to party supporters…
the FCB IPO scandal…
False Papers...
TCL Insider Trading Scandal,
60million Theft in National Energy
The Collapse of the Integrity commission
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Post by: lefty on August 25, 2015, 11:35:09 AM
Post by: Deeks on August 25, 2015, 01:32:45 PM
Post by: pull stones on August 25, 2015, 01:52:44 PM
Post by: Bourbon on August 25, 2015, 03:20:19 PM
Just like with Jack... Only when things was unsalvageable your conscience start to bother you? Nice... Spill yuh guts man.. Buss files.
I did hear it before : the U in UNC is Using..... And the C is conviently.
Can't remember what the N was for.
Post by: Sando prince on August 25, 2015, 03:32:05 PM
well gypsy spill some guts (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20150825/news/gypsy-jumps-off-8220the-pm-is-ungrateful-conniving8221) and jack say d pm like "girlz" too, dais why reshmi did get d wuk....this silly season goh be madness....hope d country survive it
Gypsy feeling used and abused. He should have known better. Why iz he surprised tho? Nobody in Mayaro was going to vote for him.
And worse yet he knew the PM was ungrateful and conniving all these years and never spoke out
Post by: Bitter on August 25, 2015, 04:15:09 PM
http://lateoclocknews.com/chaguanas-doubles-vendor-unveils-new-line-of-election-themed-doubles/
POSTED BY: LATE O'CLOCK NEWS AUGUST 24, 2015
Two months ago, a Chaguanas doubles vendor began experiencing a decline in the sales of his once popular product and speculated that his usual customers were being lured away from his stall by the free food and drinks distributed in political rallies nearing the next general election. Not willing to let his business go under, however, the enterprising doubles vendor saw opportunity in the strife. Rajpat’s Doubles now capitalizes off of the election atmosphere with a new line of election themed doubles.
Barat Rajpat, owner of Rajpat Doubles, took front to dispel any suspicions about his party allegiances. “People think because I am Indian and live in Central Trinidad that I am either UNC or staunch anti-PNM. Well if anybody look at the doubles I selling, they will see that I do not care for any party.”
Rajpat said that his first idea for his new line of doubles was inspired by the “No Rowley Campaign”. “When yuh ask for ah ‘Angry Rowley’, yuh get ah steaming hot doubles with heavy, heavy pepper. It so hot you might feel to pelt me with a teacup and all! And if yuh want one Imbert-style, after you get yuh doubles you could walk out of here and leave. Customers can only get one Imbert per month, though. Trust me, I doh forget their face.”
Rajpat also provides a variety of meat doubles, which he says are his favourite to make. “After Kamla decide she prefer to debate sheself than anybody else, I get an idea one time. The ‘Kamla Special’ is a doubles with duck. We also have the ‘Anand’ which is a goat roti, but with spoiled goat meat. I does sell that one for $1.50”
Rajpat’s line of doubles has since skyrocketed his sales as customers flock to purchase and take pictures for instagram. His success then opened the eyes of doubles vendors across the country who have tried to emulate his work.
Jorge’s Doubles in Couva now provides a number of “UNC options”. One such option is the “UNC Integrity” which is a piece of wax paper with no doubles for the small price of $12.
Post by: asylumseeker on August 25, 2015, 05:37:15 PM
well gypsy spill some guts (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20150825/news/gypsy-jumps-off-8220the-pm-is-ungrateful-conniving8221) and jack say d pm like "girlz" too, dais why reshmi did get d wuk....this silly season goh be madness....hope d country survive it
Gypsy feeling used and abused. He should have known better. Why iz he surprised tho? Nobody in Mayaro was going to vote for him.
And worse yet he knew the PM was ungrateful and conniving all these years and never spoke out
An issue with "West Indian" politicians is that they are resistant to the notion of living with the choices they've made.
Post by: asylumseeker on August 25, 2015, 05:39:43 PM
He look for that.
Just like with Jack... Only when things was unsalvageable your conscience start to bother you? Nice... Spill yuh guts man.. Buss files.
I did hear it before : the U in UNC is Using..... And the C is conviently.
Can't remember what the N was for.
Pawns or volunteers?
Post by: TdotTrini on August 25, 2015, 06:27:50 PM
http://tunein.com/radio/Vibe-CT-105-1051-s13632/
Post by: Sando prince on August 25, 2015, 06:48:46 PM
FORMER UNC CHAIRMAN OF COUVA/TABAQUITE CORPORATION MR DAVE PERSAD ON PNM PLATFORM LAST NIGHT IN COUVA :D
https://www.youtube.com/v/DQt4zSZBQt8
Post by: TdotTrini on August 25, 2015, 06:50:44 PM
Post by: Sando prince on August 25, 2015, 06:58:48 PM
Any links of the PNM St Joseph meeting a few nights ago?
Mt Hope, St Joseph.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrR2XHsRS3k
Post by: TdotTrini on August 25, 2015, 08:14:04 PM
Any links of the PNM St Joseph meeting a few nights ago?
Mt Hope, St Joseph.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrR2XHsRS3k
Much appreciated. :cheers:
Post by: Michael-j on August 25, 2015, 08:26:21 PM
PNM Rally in Barataria on now.
http://tunein.com/radio/Vibe-CT-105-1051-s13632/
Watching on tv and have been for the past few nights.....
I'm absolutely amazed by Dr. Rowley's ability to deliver a 30 minute speech without reading from a script. Very impressive.
Post by: Bourbon on August 25, 2015, 08:27:31 PM
If was Kams... To tell a joke she have to read from a prepared script.PNM Rally in Barataria on now.
http://tunein.com/radio/Vibe-CT-105-1051-s13632/
I'm absolutely amazed by Dr. Rowley's ability to deliver a 30 minute speech without reading from a script. Very impressive.
Post by: Michael-j on August 25, 2015, 08:31:24 PM
If was Kams... To tell a joke she have to read from a prepared script.PNM Rally in Barataria on now.
http://tunein.com/radio/Vibe-CT-105-1051-s13632/
I'm absolutely amazed by Dr. Rowley's ability to deliver a 30 minute speech without reading from a script. Very impressive.
So true.....and she can't utter a word without first stating she was advised.
Seeing some people in COP shirts near the stage...defectors?? hmm
Post by: pull stones on August 26, 2015, 02:52:19 AM
Post by: Bourbon on August 26, 2015, 04:41:45 AM
can anyone post the 41 constituencies and the ones that are yellow and red? boy you hooked me on this soap. tremendous drama from start to finish.Check earlier posts.
Post by: Sando prince on August 26, 2015, 10:07:26 AM
can anyone post the 41 constituencies and the ones that are yellow and red? boy you hooked me on this soap. tremendous drama from start to finish.
Man you can find that info with a simple Google search. Plus it was posted in this thread earlier
Post by: R45 on August 26, 2015, 01:23:08 PM
Post by: Controversial on August 26, 2015, 01:26:10 PM
Might as well re-title this the PNM 2015 thread, not even a notion of neutrality for the last dozen or so pages.
what i've been saying since the beginning... ;)
Post by: Sando prince on August 26, 2015, 02:11:48 PM
Might as well re-title this the PNM 2015 thread, not even a notion of neutrality for the last dozen or so pages.
Like I said to Controversial earlier in the thread. NOTHING is stopping members from posting UNC/PP related news. Instead of criticizing or complaining one can become the difference.
Post by: R45 on August 26, 2015, 02:20:40 PM
Like I said to Controversial earlier in the thread. NOTHING is stopping members from posting UNC/PP related news. Instead of criticizing or complaining one can become the difference.I have no interest in being a UNC/PP agent, mostly because I don't support them and in general don't support partisanship. I'm content being a neutral.
I'm probably being altruistic, but I wish folks could just stop drowning themselves in this PNM circle jerk and pay attention to history. We've had PNM governments before (with many of the same people on the current platform), and voted them out because of ridiculous scandals and corruption. In this thread though, it seems like people are comfortable sweeping pre-2010 history under the rug, which is just an unfortunate approach to making an educated vote.
Post by: asylumseeker on August 26, 2015, 03:05:01 PM
I have no interest in being a UNC/PP agent, mostly because I don't support them and in general don't support partisanship. I'm content being a neutral.
I'm probably being altruistic, but I wish folks could just stop drowning themselves in this PNM circle jerk and pay attention to history. We've had PNM governments before (with many of the same people on the current platform), and voted them out because of ridiculous scandals and corruption. In this thread though, it seems like people are comfortable sweeping pre-2010 history under the rug, which is just an unfortunate approach to making an educated vote.
In the absence of a third party of with sustainable electoral viability/fortunes, this is to be expected. Nothing I've stated is news to you. What should the electorate do?
Post by: Brownsugar on August 26, 2015, 05:30:40 PM
Like I said to Controversial earlier in the thread. NOTHING is stopping members from posting UNC/PP related news. Instead of criticizing or complaining one can become the difference.I have no interest in being a UNC/PP agent, mostly because I don't support them and in general don't support partisanship. I'm content being a neutral.
I'm probably being altruistic, but I wish folks could just stop drowning themselves in this PNM circle jerk and pay attention to history. We've had PNM governments before (with many of the same people on the current platform), and voted them out because of ridiculous scandals and corruption. In this thread though, it seems like people are comfortable sweeping pre-2010 history under the rug, which is just an unfortunate approach to making an educated vote.
Well I consider myself one of the middle.....however, unfortunately for the PP the level of crap that they've done in the past 5 years is just too much to bear. In my case, I voted for them and I feel personally responsible for the mess.
And no, I don't have blinkers on where the PNM is concerned. I've said before on many occasions that I will be right back here cussing about some scandal under the PNM. And that's why I'm quite prepared to hold them accountable for the things they've said they will do e.g. local government reform.
Bottom line is I put on a hazmat suit and voted PP in 2010, I'll put on a gas mask and vote PNM this time around.....I don't have another choice right now........
Post by: Deeks on August 26, 2015, 05:32:29 PM
I have no interest in being a UNC/PP agent, mostly because I don't support them and in general don't support partisanship. I'm content being a neutral.
I'm probably being altruistic, but I wish folks could just stop drowning themselves in this PNM circle jerk and pay attention to history. We've had PNM governments before (with many of the same people on the current platform), and voted them out because of ridiculous scandals and corruption. In this thread though, it seems like people are comfortable sweeping pre-2010 history under the rug, which is just an unfortunate approach to making an educated vote.
In the absence of a third party of with sustainable electoral viability/fortunes, this is to be expected. Nothing I've stated is news to you. What should the electorate do?
Ah mean, this is a political thread. If you find it one sided, please post the opposition or other parties political platform.
Post by: Brownsugar on August 26, 2015, 05:41:21 PM
The very vocal pro-PP then voices gone silent. They too shame I guess.
The mere fact that we appear to be on the verge of voting back the PNM in 5 short years goes to show, we just going round and round with these parties. However, I'm not about to rest on my laurels should the PNM come back into power. I'll be watching them like a hawk just as I did with the PP.....
Post by: lefty on August 26, 2015, 05:58:19 PM
Where everybody was when we were right here bashing Patrick Manning and the PNM 5 years ago?? Now we anti-PP?? Steups!!Ah yes d old lets indulge pp f**kry cause PNM do f**kry before argument...... These people does amaze me with that tripe......
The very vocal pro-PP then voices gone silent. They too shame I guess.
The mere fact that we appear to be on the verge of voting back the PNM in 5 short years goes to show, we just going round and round with these parties. However, I'm not about to rest on my laurels should the PNM come back into power. I'll be watching them like a hawk just as I did with the PP.....
Post by: lefty on August 26, 2015, 06:09:28 PM
Post by: TdotTrini on August 26, 2015, 06:21:04 PM
http://tunein.com/radio/Vibe-CT-105-1051-s13632/
Post by: Michael-j on August 26, 2015, 06:29:27 PM
Like I said to Controversial earlier in the thread. NOTHING is stopping members from posting UNC/PP related news. Instead of criticizing or complaining one can become the difference.I have no interest in being a UNC/PP agent, mostly because I don't support them and in general don't support partisanship. I'm content being a neutral.
I'm probably being altruistic, but I wish folks could just stop drowning themselves in this PNM circle jerk and pay attention to history. We've had PNM governments before (with many of the same people on the current platform), and voted them out because of ridiculous scandals and corruption. In this thread though, it seems like people are comfortable sweeping pre-2010 history under the rug, which is just an unfortunate approach to making an educated vote.
I don't think anyone is sweeping anything under the rug..People are well aware of the pre-2010 history. However, people are more acutely aware of the post 2010 history because the very things they voted against in 2010 ( nepotism, corruption, lack of transparency, etc) are the very things that define this PP government. I'm not voting for the PNM in this election because I'm comfortable with the pre-2010 history; I'm voting PNM because this PPG government should not be rewarded with another term in office after having made such a mess of things over the past 5 years. I also live in the hope that the PNM has learnt from their past transgressions and are prepared to make amends this time around. It may seem like a vicious cycle, but in the absence of a viable third party, that is the reality of politics in T&T.
Post by: Michael-j on August 26, 2015, 06:54:56 PM
PNM Political meeting in Point Fortin
http://tunein.com/radio/Vibe-CT-105-1051-s13632/
The old soldier is speaking well...seems at ease at the podium.
Post by: TdotTrini on August 26, 2015, 07:27:42 PM
Reviving the Smelter is not in the current PNM manifesto.
Post by: TdotTrini on August 26, 2015, 07:35:48 PM
Published on Aug 26, 2015, 9:16 pm AST
By Joel Julien
joel.julien@trinidadexpress.com
san juan
KISHORE RAMADHAR, the brother of Congress of the People (COP) political leader Prakash Ramadhar, says he has a “moral imperative to remove the People’s Partnership from power” because the coalition is “dangerous for the country”.
Ramadhar, who is a member of the COP, made the statement yesterday as he defended his decision to attend a People’s National Movement (PNM) political meeting in San Juan on Tuesday night.
A handful of other former members of the COP executive attended the meeting along with Ramadhar.
Ramadhar said he has not joined the PNM but is throwing his support behind the party for this general election.
He is advising other COP members to also follow suit.
“My reason for doing so (attending the PNM meeting) was basically to tell the population and primarily the former COP supporters that it is okay at this point to support the PNM.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20150826/news/i-am-backing-the-pnm
Post by: TdotTrini on August 26, 2015, 08:03:37 PM
Post by: lefty on August 26, 2015, 08:47:38 PM
Dr. Rowley is questioning the optics of the CONCACAF cheque that was meant for Central FC being deposited into Minister Brent Sancho's personal bank account while he is a Minister in Government.D optics doh look good, but very plausible explanations exists, as put forward in d football board thread so,...... .......
Post by: TdotTrini on August 26, 2015, 08:54:55 PM
Dr. Rowley is questioning the optics of the CONCACAF cheque that was meant for Central FC being deposited into Minister Brent Sancho's personal bank account while he is a Minister in Government.D optics doh look good, but very plausible explanations exists, as put forward in d football board thread so,...... .......
Yeh, but you know the politicians will try to get as much mileage as possible.
Post by: lefty on August 26, 2015, 08:59:28 PM
Was still a kinda "unsmart" but if yuh in ah bind....wah goh doDr. Rowley is questioning the optics of the CONCACAF cheque that was meant for Central FC being deposited into Minister Brent Sancho's personal bank account while he is a Minister in Government.D optics doh look good, but very plausible explanations exists, as put forward in d football board thread so,...... .......
Yeh, but you know the politicians will try to get as much mileage as possible.
Post by: R45 on August 27, 2015, 10:05:20 AM
I don't think anyone is sweeping anything under the rug..People are well aware of the pre-2010 history. However, people are more acutely aware of the post 2010 history because the very things they voted against in 2010 ( nepotism, corruption, lack of transparency, etc) are the very things that define this PP government. I'm not voting for the PNM in this election because I'm comfortable with the pre-2010 history; I'm voting PNM because this PPG government should not be rewarded with another term in office after having made such a mess of things over the past 5 years. I also live in the hope that the PNM has learnt from their past transgressions and are prepared to make amends this time around. It may seem like a vicious cycle, but in the absence of a viable third party, that is the reality of politics in T&T.
I think that's an absolute fair post, but if you take a step back and read this thread for the last 15 pages, I think you can see the rug-sweeping is pretty evident.
And on sweeping 2010 under d rug...........massive 2010- waste has long since been eclipsed by massive 2010+ highway robbery.....so balance restored.....That's an unfortunate and simplistic view to hold that might be suffering from recentism.
Bottom line is I put on a hazmat suit and voted PP in 2010, I'll put on a gas mask and vote PNM this time around.....I don't have another choice right now........(http://cdn.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/1340925427495_6188811.png)
Substitute president for choosing a T&T political party.
In the absence of a third party of with sustainable electoral viability/fortunes, this is to be expected. Nothing I've stated is news to you. What should the electorate do?Oh I know our reality, it's either a UNC/PP or PNM gov't next month. But I'm specifically talking about this thread and the tone that has been carried forward for the last few pages - there's a sentiment here that seems to suggest that the PNM is a brand-new party or has governed T&T in some utopia in the past.
Post by: lefty on August 27, 2015, 10:39:30 AM
And on sweeping 2010 under d rug...........massive 2010- waste has long since been eclipsed by massive 2010+ highway robbery.....so balance restored.....That's an unfortunate and simplistic view to hold that might be suffering from recentism.
your point proposed a simplistic argument for invalidation and I "saw" and "raised" said simplistic point
Post by: R45 on August 27, 2015, 02:19:26 PM
your point proposed a simplistic argument for invalidation and I "saw" and "raised" said simplistic pointNo, you made a broad statement about the relative corruption between the two parties, i.e.:
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massive 2010- waste has long since been eclipsed by massive 2010+ highway robbery
The above is simplification and recentism. Has anyone actually put a dollar value on the corruption between the two regimes? In 2010 when Rowley got fired by Manning, Rowley said that the UDECOTT corruption in the 2000s under the PNM was "10 times that of the Piarco airport". The Piarco corruption was estimated to be around $1 billion TT, so if we take Rowley's word UDECOTT alone was a $10 billion TT corruption over the period.
I'm not suggesting that the PP/UNC is less corrupt than the PNM, or their scandals are smaller, but your post is exactly what I'm talking about where people just fail to apply critical analysis comparing the two and easily dismiss the magnitude of the issues we had prior to 2010.
Post by: lefty on August 27, 2015, 02:55:27 PM
That's just it nobody dismissing it, but in the face of the fact dat corruption has gotten worst rather than better, the notion dat a changing what exists now is somehow unadvisable , ridiculous at bestyour point proposed a simplistic argument for invalidation and I "saw" and "raised" said simplistic pointNo, you made a broad statement about the relative corruption between the two parties, i.e.:Quotemassive 2010- waste has long since been eclipsed by massive 2010+ highway robbery
The above is simplification and recentism. Has anyone actually put a dollar value on the corruption between the two regimes? In 2010 when Rowley got fired by Manning, Rowley said that the UDECOTT corruption in the 2000s under the PNM was "10 times that of the Piarco airport". The Piarco corruption was estimated to be around $1 billion TT, so if we take Rowley's word UDECOTT alone was a $10 billion TT corruption over the period.
I'm not suggesting that the PP/UNC is less corrupt than the PNM, or their scandals are smaller, but your post is exactly what I'm talking about where people just fail to apply critical analysis comparing the two and easily dismiss the magnitude of the issues we had prior to 2010.
Post by: Deeks on August 27, 2015, 03:50:01 PM
Post by: Controversial on August 27, 2015, 04:37:18 PM
All this pro-ant argument is just politics as usual. This normal. But you still have to vote. There are 3 parties. Vote ILP if allyuh want to show that you all can make a difference. Show you all are the socalled voice of the people. But the reality is, most people will vote UNC- PNM. It is just like the U.S. All these fringe parties spring up around Iowa caucus. Then Nov. 5th, is either the elephant or the jackass parading.
:D :D
Post by: Sando prince on August 27, 2015, 05:02:40 PM
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-08-27/prakash’s-brother-vows-vote-pnm (http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-08-27/prakash’s-brother-vows-vote-pnm)
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Kishore Ramadhar, the brother of Congress of the People (COP) leader Prakash Ramadhar, has vowed to vote for the PNM in the September 7 general election.
Post by: Sando prince on August 27, 2015, 07:02:03 PM
LAWD Gypsy yuh take the cake with this one. Ah forget how good yuh was at ex-tempo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osprsxzA6Gk&feature=youtu.be
Post by: Sando prince on August 29, 2015, 05:12:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/CmnA3KnVx38
Post by: Tallman on August 29, 2015, 05:25:17 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/gNesq_P4luE
Post by: Sando prince on August 29, 2015, 06:20:30 PM
Dr Rowley was on fire yesterday in St Augustine. This man does speak with the conviction of putting a dagger in his opposition hearts :D
https://www.youtube.com/v/XwRLdn23bqM
Post by: Sando prince on August 29, 2015, 06:49:04 PM
Post by: Brownsugar on August 30, 2015, 06:38:30 AM
^^ Allyuh see the UNC coffin above from minute 37:21.. dat coffin will pass in every meeting now :rotfl:
It made its debut in the rally at Woodford Square......
Post by: pull stones on August 30, 2015, 12:45:41 PM
didn't rowley object to that coffin in question calling for the supporters to have respect for the dead? at least that is what i read in the news.^^ Allyuh see the UNC coffin above from minute 37:21.. dat coffin will pass in every meeting now :rotfl:
It made its debut in the rally at Woodford Square......
Post by: Sando prince on August 30, 2015, 09:30:07 PM
Ah done seeing polling from two different pollsters saying two different outcomes with two different winners
Post by: lefty on August 31, 2015, 09:05:53 AM
OK people is less than 8 days before election day.. expect any and everything to be thrown at us now ehI have heard that citizen misleading d polls, rather than the opposite!.........in my area a lot of pattern voters......saying one party loud but den whisperin d other under dey breath......dey could be frontin, but fact is local business suffering.......and local economy is very depressed.....and business owners of all description eh too happy.
Ah done seeing polling from two different pollsters saying two different outcomes with two different winners
Post by: Deeks on August 31, 2015, 10:26:01 AM
Post by: R45 on August 31, 2015, 11:14:37 AM
Post by: Bourbon on August 31, 2015, 11:35:13 AM
Imagine... Usually the list of national awardees is announced a week beforehand and profiles of the recipients published. This year's list was embargoed.... Meaning the media were not allowed to publish until today the list. The two recipients for the ORTT? Winston Dookeran and that snake Errol McCloud.... Two sitting ministers.
Post by: lefty on August 31, 2015, 12:47:07 PM
Elections bring uncertainty, which isn't great for business. Additionally the US dollar shortage is making conducting business in T&T a serious problem, it's a daily challenge.
this plus, there isn't much driving the economy at the moment, even with all dat state contract money flowin out d treasury.....its almost like the money just disappears........trickle down just isn't happening.......previously our economy was almost like it was self sustaining...even with d global meltdown.........trinis were buying and buying heavily so "ah cyar eat d money" was pushin us forward.....then came the SOE, which we never fully recovered from...."doh study d hype"...and all fell down thereafter.....suddenly money not circulating anymore.......there has been a growth of small business, but these business not popping up to satisfy perceived demand, but solely to supplement inadequate incomes, which in itself worsen the problems
Post by: Brownsugar on August 31, 2015, 06:55:13 PM
didn't rowley object to that coffin in question calling for the supporters to have respect for the dead? at least that is what i read in the news.^^ Allyuh see the UNC coffin above from minute 37:21.. dat coffin will pass in every meeting now :rotfl:
It made its debut in the rally at Woodford Square......
Nah. He was throwing some picong.....
Post by: R45 on August 31, 2015, 08:43:56 PM
this plus, there isn't much driving the economy at the moment, even with all dat state contract money flowin out d treasury.....its almost like the money just disappears........trickle down just isn't happening.......previously our economy was almost like it was self sustaining...even with d global meltdown.........trinis were buying and buying heavily so "ah cyar eat d money" was pushin us forward.....then came the SOE, which we never fully recovered from...."doh study d hype"...and all fell down thereafter.....suddenly money not circulating anymore.......there has been a growth of small business, but these business not popping up to satisfy perceived demand, but solely to supplement inadequate incomes, which in itself worsen the problemsDo you have an economic source to back up your comment? T&T is an oil and gas based economy, even moreso on Oil because our tax revenues on oil are far higher than either the tax revenue on gas or LNG. We had foreign currency problems too in 2009/2010 when the price dropped to $40 a barrel. That said, this sub $60 dip is longer than the one in 2009 (last time it was 4-5 months), this time it's going on for at least 8 months now.
I don't agree that the SOE in 2011 had any long term economic impact to the country, or has anything to do with the shortage of US currency today.
Post by: lefty on September 01, 2015, 05:18:08 AM
Post by: R45 on September 01, 2015, 07:35:36 AM
Dread I not going to get into to no nonsense with u, d moment u start talking dat SoE had no economic effect ass backwards stupidness, I realise engaging u will be an exercise in futility not worth d effort......and as for sources, d MoF has been indulging, in way too much "creative" accounting to be afforded any kinda credibility........and dat shit started early o clock wit dese people........an economist in my former department even had to forcefully refuse to "adjust" an unflattering economic projection report....... so if dey doh mind lying to deyself.......who is u....unplant yuh head from the unc's ass for a momentI never said that, I said that it wasn't the catalyst for our economic downfall as you suggested or had a long term impact in the context of a single event. If there is one singular security event that we've never recovered from, it's the 1990 coup. Since then, crime has escalated and our police's ability to protect and serve and consistently proven to be inadequate, which has equated into increased security costs and some business uncertainty. The 2011 SOE is just one in a list of other significant security events, like the Selwyn Richardson's assassination, Cocaine and missiles in Sadiq Baksh's water tank, POS bombings in 2005 ("Mr. Big"), Kidnapping spree in 2003-2008, Abu Bakr's constant revolving court matters, Dana's assassination, etc. We also had a SOE in 1995 under Manning with the whole Occah Seepaul controversy. But I would argue each of those events individually hasn't made a significant impact (with the exception of the kidnappings because of who was targeted), but collectively then yes they have had a long term economic impact.
I'm really scratching my head how you can pretend like we suddenly became an oil and gas based economy in the last 5 years, or we suddenly have a volatile economy, or that the Central Bank/Ministry of Finance suddenly has dubious reporting. Have you been living under a rock for the past 25 years? All that shit is the same. We had double digit inflation during both the last PNM/UNC administrations that both governments did not want to officially acknowledge and report, and did everything to spin the numbers different. Every single year since I've been ever following politics, our budget statements always have murky accounting and unclear appropriations and we never get an accurate view of "Budget to Actuals" from the prior year. We have several multi-million dollar government funds (Green Fund and Heritage and Stabilization Fund come to mind) that have not had transparent reporting on either their balances or uses. We've had misuse of state funds through state corporations to fund budget expenditures, including Unit Trust deposits, Petrotrin assets, WASA, NGTT, TTMF, and others. None of this is new.
I really don't get how you can accuse me of partisan politics when I've been pretty clear I support neither, and I'm equally critical of who we had in power for the last 25 years.
Post by: lefty on September 01, 2015, 08:02:47 AM
Dread I not going to get into to no nonsense with u, d moment u start talking dat SoE had no economic effect ass backwards stupidness, I realise engaging u will be an exercise in futility not worth d effort......and as for sources, d MoF has been indulging, in way too much "creative" accounting to be afforded any kinda credibility........and dat shit started early o clock wit dese people........an economist in my former department even had to forcefully refuse to "adjust" an unflattering economic projection report....... so if dey doh mind lying to deyself.......who is u....unplant yuh head from the unc's ass for a momentI never said that, I said that it wasn't the catalyst for our economic downfall as you suggested and had a long term impact in the context of a single event. If there is one singular security event that we've never recovered from, it's the 1990 coup. Since then, crime has escalated and our police's ability to protect and serve and consistently proven to be inadequate, which has equated into increased security costs and some business uncertainty. The 2011 SOE is just one in a list of other significant security events, like the Selwyn Richardson's assassination, Cocaine and missiles in Sadiq Baksh's water tank, POS bombings in 2005 ("Mr. Big"), Kidnapping spree in 2003-2008, Abu Bakr's constant revolving court matters, Dana's assassination, etc. We also had a SOE in 1995 under Manning with the whole Occah Seepaul controversy. But I would argue each of those events individually hasn't made a significant impact (with the exception of the kidnappings because of who was targeted), but collectively then yes they have had a long term economic impact.
I'm really scratching my head how you can pretend like we suddenly became an oil and gas based economy in the last 5 years, or we suddenly have a volatile economy, or that the Central Bank/Ministry of Finance suddenly has dubious reporting. Have you been living under a rock for the past 25 years? All that shit is the same. We had double digit inflation during both the last PNM/UNC administrations that both governments did not want to officially acknowledge and report, and did everything to spin the numbers different. Every single year since I've been ever following politics, our budget statements always have murky accounting and unclear appropriations and we never get an accurate view of "Budget to Actuals" from the prior year. We have several multi-million dollar government funds (Green Fund and Heritage and Stabilization Fund come to mind) that have not had transparent reporting on either their balances or uses. We've had misuse of state funds through state corporations to fund budget expenditures, including Unit Trust deposits, Petrotrin assets, WASA, NGTT, TTMF, and others. None of this is new.
I really don't get how you can accuse me of partisan politics when I've been pretty clear I support neither, and I'm equally critical of who we had in power for the last 25 years.
we speaking specifically about domestic revenue flows, I am indicating to u that these flows which continued despite the world economic meltdown was effectively shielding us, oil and gas prices as important as they are, had little bearing on the average trinis willingness to spend at that time, because we are typically caviler when it came to our spending habits.....the SoE had the effect of closing those pockets....and had a knock on effect on the economy as a result....domestic economy!!!!
Post by: R45 on September 01, 2015, 10:07:40 AM
we speaking specifically about domestic revenue flows, I am indicating to u that these flows which continued despite the world economic meltdown was effectively shielding us, oil and gas prices as important as they are, had little bearing on the average trinis willingness to spend at that time, because we are typically caviler when it came to our spending habits.....the SoE had the effect of closing those pockets....and had a knock on effect on the economy as a result....domestic economy!!!!I stand by my comment that I don't believe it was a catalyst for any long term economic impact, domestically included. The 2011 SOE ran for 106 days from August 21st, 2011 to December 5th, 2011, and the curfew ended a bit before that on November 7th, 2011. I think the impact would have been significant during the SOE and for a couple months after, but beyond that I don't think there's been a lasting economic impact. Peak domestic spending is usually Christmas and Carnival. The former in 2011 was more affected, but the latter not as much.
Just to be clear though, I absolutely think the 2011 SOE was dangerous and reckless of the gov't - it wasn't justified, it was deceptive, had more rhetoric than substance, eroded our civil rights, and I'd argue that the longer term impact was a further reduction in confidence in both the gov't and protective services, especially since hundreds/thousands of people were picked up under the anti-gang legislation yet not a single one ended up being prosecuted. I think it was single handedly probably the worst action of the current gov't since they came to power.
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Post by: grimm01 on September 01, 2015, 08:29:14 PM
Post by: Bourbon on September 02, 2015, 04:40:07 AM
https://www.facebook.com/david.stephen.14289/videos/10205067455711506/
It shameful how crude it is even.
Anyhow...cause we as trinis memory short and probably considered as fools...the man who brought us the "Third Force" who after getting exposed as a UNC proxy gives us this:
http://trinidadexpress.com/20150901/news/terrible-tim
Quote
VOTERS are being encouraged to spoil their ballots in the upcoming general election as a form of protest to demand “a fair electoral voting system” in Trinidad and Tobago.
The call is being spearheaded by former Senate president Timothy Hamel-Smith, through a recently established ad hoc group known as the T&T Citizens for Democracy.
The campaign was launched via social media site Facebook and messaging app WhatsApp on Sunday.
With one week to go before the general election, Hamel-Smith’s political message states: “Patriots, this your last chance to protest. Say ‘No to all’. Your vote counts, even if it says ‘No to all’ because by law the EBC (Elections and Boundaries Commission) must report these (spoilt) votes.
:-\
Post by: Socapro on September 02, 2015, 04:42:19 AM
Allyuh see the paid political announcement where they keep flashing Rowley, Obeah and Manning face with a voice over of Rowley? Hear nah, that is some real shameful and desperate buffoonery from the PP. You have to be absolutely bankrupt if the best yuh could do as an election tactic against someone is to suggest they wok ah Obeah on someone else.
Unfortunately the UNC has a lot of backward brainwashed supports who will vote for that corrupt party based upon that foolish buffoonery they are paying to advertise via most of the T&T media using T&T taxpayers money. These elections might be the last chance we have to get their UNC parasite claws off of our treasury and save the future of our country so we don't end up like Guyana did.
Post by: Bourbon on September 02, 2015, 04:44:18 AM
(http://www.trinituner.com/v3/forums/download/file.php?id=371682&t=1)
What you think going on here?
Post by: Socapro on September 02, 2015, 04:48:37 AM
This one?
https://www.facebook.com/david.stephen.14289/videos/10205067455711506/
It shameful how crude it is even.
Anyhow...cause we as trinis memory short and probably considered as fools...the man who brought us the "Third Force" who after getting exposed as a UNC proxy gives us this:
http://trinidadexpress.com/20150901/news/terrible-timQuoteVOTERS are being encouraged to spoil their ballots in the upcoming general election as a form of protest to demand “a fair electoral voting system” in Trinidad and Tobago.
The call is being spearheaded by former Senate president Timothy Hamel-Smith, through a recently established ad hoc group known as the T&T Citizens for Democracy.
The campaign was launched via social media site Facebook and messaging app WhatsApp on Sunday.
With one week to go before the general election, Hamel-Smith’s political message states: “Patriots, this your last chance to protest. Say ‘No to all’. Your vote counts, even if it says ‘No to all’ because by law the EBC (Elections and Boundaries Commission) must report these (spoilt) votes.
:-\
Unfortunately a vote for no one is a vote for the incumbent to stay in power and carry on as they were doing. If we think the UNC was bad for the past 5 years just give them another 5 to finish us off.
A so-called educated person like Timothy Hamel-Smith should be aware of that fact so its obvious to anyone with a working braincell that he is an undercover UNC/PP supporter.
Low voter turn out or many spoilt votes is to the advantage of the incumbent especially with all the voter padding they have been systematically doing over the past 5 years in the marginals seats.
Post by: Michael-j on September 02, 2015, 05:11:43 AM
(http://www.trinituner.com/v3/forums/download/file.php?id=371683&t=1)
(http://www.trinituner.com/v3/forums/download/file.php?id=371682&t=1)
What you think going on here?
CEPEP workers putting up UNC fliers??
Post by: Bourbon on September 02, 2015, 07:30:51 AM
(http://www.trinituner.com/v3/forums/download/file.php?id=371683&t=1)
(http://www.trinituner.com/v3/forums/download/file.php?id=371682&t=1)
What you think going on here?
Indeed. In Siparia.
CEPEP workers putting up UNC fliers??
Post by: R45 on September 02, 2015, 10:09:30 AM
Deja vu. Same old tricks by any incumbent.
Post by: Deeks on September 02, 2015, 12:06:29 PM
Post by: Sando prince on September 03, 2015, 07:39:51 AM
https://www.facebook.com/roger.roberts.rr/videos/10153480231311357/?fref=nf (https://www.facebook.com/roger.roberts.rr/videos/10153480231311357/?fref=nf)
Post by: Michael-j on September 03, 2015, 08:04:36 AM
Damn! Shamfa came out blazing!
https://www.facebook.com/roger.roberts.rr/videos/10153480231311357/?fref=nf (https://www.facebook.com/roger.roberts.rr/videos/10153480231311357/?fref=nf)
Very good delivery! She had the crowd mesmerized. She actually put some of the more seasoned speakers to shame.
Post by: lefty on September 03, 2015, 08:16:58 AM
Post by: TdotTrini on September 03, 2015, 08:40:09 AM
saw more polls today dat says the gov't will win a next term.....ting is I feel it so close because PNM has had such a poor record of dealing with d "little things" that people are willing to neglect the big picture, because the PP has been able to in some way blind people to big issues by handling little tings here and there along with feeding the gimme gimme attitude of sections of the populace
In all of Dr. Rowley's speeches he told the URP/CEPEP people that they should not use these programs as a mean of career goal and to stop the viscous cycle of generations depending on such programs. That could be some of the little things here and there that a good portion of the population seem to depend on to feed they family.
Post by: de_redman on September 03, 2015, 08:40:37 AM
saw more polls today dat says the gov't will win a next term.....ting is I feel it so close because PNM has had such a poor record of dealing with d "little things" that people are willing to neglect the big picture, because the PP has been able to in some way blind people to big issues by handling little tings here and there along with feeding the gimme gimme attitude of sections of the populace
What polls?
Post by: lefty on September 03, 2015, 08:47:01 AM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20150902/news/none-of-themsaw more polls today dat says the gov't will win a next term.....ting is I feel it so close because PNM has had such a poor record of dealing with d "little things" that people are willing to neglect the big picture, because the PP has been able to in some way blind people to big issues by handling little tings here and there along with feeding the gimme gimme attitude of sections of the populace
What polls?
you ent goh get d full story unless yuh subscribe but, if people actually giving dis gov't favorability points for d economy... ???
Post by: asylumseeker on September 03, 2015, 08:49:31 AM
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Post by: Sando prince on September 03, 2015, 10:36:02 AM
saw more polls today dat says the gov't will win a next term.....ting is I feel it so close because PNM has had such a poor record of dealing with d "little things" that people are willing to neglect the big picture, because the PP has been able to in some way blind people to big issues by handling little tings here and there along with feeding the gimme gimme attitude of sections of the populace
lol how many people are taking Nigel Henry polls seriously?
Post by: Sando prince on September 03, 2015, 10:38:04 AM
PNM candidates on platform seem to be more about what they are going to do when they get into office as opposed to the UNC candidates who are talking about how great they claim is Kamla :D
https://www.youtube.com/v/0voYZbN2UNY
Post by: lefty on September 03, 2015, 10:44:10 AM
saw more polls today dat says the gov't will win a next term.....ting is I feel it so close because PNM has had such a poor record of dealing with d "little things" that people are willing to neglect the big picture, because the PP has been able to in some way blind people to big issues by handling little tings here and there along with feeding the gimme gimme attitude of sections of the populace
lol how many people are taking Nigel Henry polls seriously?
whether u take in seriously or not, dis is trinidad....people real like to defer responsibility...it have nuff man goh watch a poll and decide dey wasting dey time
Post by: Sando prince on September 03, 2015, 10:50:32 AM
saw more polls today dat says the gov't will win a next term.....ting is I feel it so close because PNM has had such a poor record of dealing with d "little things" that people are willing to neglect the big picture, because the PP has been able to in some way blind people to big issues by handling little tings here and there along with feeding the gimme gimme attitude of sections of the populace
lol how many people are taking Nigel Henry polls seriously?
whether u take in seriously or not, dis is trinidad....people real like to defer responsibility...it have nuff man goh watch a poll and decide dey wasting dey time
Come election day you will see people voting in big numbers. Few days before election a poll in Trinidad Express will not deter many who are READY to vote
Post by: lefty on September 03, 2015, 10:57:52 AM
saw more polls today dat says the gov't will win a next term.....ting is I feel it so close because PNM has had such a poor record of dealing with d "little things" that people are willing to neglect the big picture, because the PP has been able to in some way blind people to big issues by handling little tings here and there along with feeding the gimme gimme attitude of sections of the populace
lol how many people are taking Nigel Henry polls seriously?
whether u take in seriously or not, dis is trinidad....people real like to defer responsibility...it have nuff man goh watch a poll and decide dey wasting dey time
Come election day you will see people voting in big numbers. Few days before election a poll in Trinidad Express will not deter many who are READY to vote
doh know dread.....on d one hand yuh hearin staunch unc people goh vote PNM.......but den yuh seein real buzz around d UNC....could jus be man takin d "freeness" for spite like in bago.......but let not forget....trinis can be a sight more gullible especially when money and tingz passin
Post by: asylumseeker on September 03, 2015, 11:02:41 AM
WATCH Rowley and Granny from 25:30' :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Post by: asylumseeker on September 03, 2015, 11:57:04 AM
Post by: Sando prince on September 03, 2015, 02:55:08 PM
Damn! Shamfa came out blazing!
https://www.facebook.com/roger.roberts.rr/videos/10153480231311357/?fref=nf (https://www.facebook.com/roger.roberts.rr/videos/10153480231311357/?fref=nf)
Very good delivery! She had the crowd mesmerized. She actually put some of the more seasoned speakers to shame.
Many people wouldn't believe she was the youngest senator in Parliament.
Post by: Brownsugar on September 03, 2015, 09:44:17 PM
saw more polls today dat says the gov't will win a next term.....ting is I feel it so close because PNM has had such a poor record of dealing with d "little things" that people are willing to neglect the big picture, because the PP has been able to in some way blind people to big issues by handling little tings here and there along with feeding the gimme gimme attitude of sections of the populace
lol how many people are taking Nigel Henry polls seriously?
whether u take in seriously or not, dis is trinidad....people real like to defer responsibility...it have nuff man goh watch a poll and decide dey wasting dey time
Lefty because of Express' paywall I take mih hard earned $3.00 and buy the papers to read what Nigel Henry had to say. One time I start to steups as I began to read. De man run a poll of undecideds and came up with this group of people choosing none of the above. OF COURSE!!! That's why they are undecided!! I cyar believe the Express pay ah man to tell we what we already know.....steups!!! Anyway that was only part 1......stay tuned. But this time I feel I will wait for some one else to pay for it and tell mih so I eh goh waste mih $3.00....
Post by: Brownsugar on September 03, 2015, 09:54:16 PM
Here is the result for their poll of Toco/Sande Grande which they are calling for the PNM......they didn't indicate when they did the poll but I'm assuming it was within the last 2 weeks or so......
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-09-03/latest-louis-bertrand-poll-marginals-tocogrande-goes-pnm (http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-09-03/latest-louis-bertrand-poll-marginals-tocogrande-goes-pnm)
The Guardian is publishing results of the marginals over the next few days till Sunday......I'll keep an eye on those.....
Post by: Brownsugar on September 03, 2015, 10:04:16 PM
This poll is calling 21 seats for the PNM, with San Juan/Barataria, Pointe-a-Pierre and Mayaro too close to call.....Tobago is not included. If I add that to the Trinidad seats that's 23 for the PNM (yeah Tobago gone red ;D)
That Pointe-a-Pierre result is very interesting. That seat is usually a very, very safe seat for the UNC.....but I eh know who did the poll so I'm a tad cautious........
East - West Corridor Seats
http://media.fyre.co/yNsVskJzTX2TEu04LPbY_electoral%20map%20T&T.jpg (http://media.fyre.co/yNsVskJzTX2TEu04LPbY_electoral%20map%20T&T.jpg)
Central and South seats
http://media.fyre.co/xdu7znLsTTuxpWOM7SZ7_electoral%20map%20T&T.jpg (http://media.fyre.co/xdu7znLsTTuxpWOM7SZ7_electoral%20map%20T&T.jpg)
Oh and there is no data for Chaguanas East......anything Jack involved in is drama..... ;D
Post by: Brownsugar on September 03, 2015, 10:17:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/RNiemrW2Osw
Post by: Sando prince on September 03, 2015, 10:31:33 PM
Only just noticed this in the comment section of the Guardian Story. Don't know where the data is coming from but its interesting.....
This poll is calling 21 seats for the PNM, with San Juan/Barataria, Pointe-a-Pierre and Mayaro too close to call.....Tobago is not included. If I add that to the Trinidad seats that's 23 for the PNM (yeah Tobago gone red ;D)
That Pointe-a-Pierre result is very interesting. That seat is usually a very, very safe seat for the UNC.....but I eh know who did the poll so I'm a tad cautious........
I would not call it a safe UNC seat. Didn't the PNM won that seat in 2007?
Post by: Brownsugar on September 04, 2015, 05:43:49 AM
Only just noticed this in the comment section of the Guardian Story. Don't know where the data is coming from but its interesting.....
This poll is calling 21 seats for the PNM, with San Juan/Barataria, Pointe-a-Pierre and Mayaro too close to call.....Tobago is not included. If I add that to the Trinidad seats that's 23 for the PNM (yeah Tobago gone red ;D)
That Pointe-a-Pierre result is very interesting. That seat is usually a very, very safe seat for the UNC.....but I eh know who did the poll so I'm a tad cautious........
I would not call it a safe UNC seat. Didn't the PNM won that seat in 2007?
Because the COP split the votes in 2007.....for the PNM to win, there would have to be big, big swing towards to PNM......
See this table.....sorry about the formatting.....
Results for Pointe-a-Pierre
UNC PNM COP UNC & COP votes combined
2000 11,124 6,847
2001 10,425 6,635
2002 10,768 7,792
2007 6,189 7,505 3,664 9,853
2010 10,922 6,956
Post by: Bourbon on September 04, 2015, 07:37:08 AM
Only just noticed this in the comment section of the Guardian Story. Don't know where the data is coming from but its interesting.....
This poll is calling 21 seats for the PNM, with San Juan/Barataria, Pointe-a-Pierre and Mayaro too close to call.....Tobago is not included. If I add that to the Trinidad seats that's 23 for the PNM (yeah Tobago gone red ;D)
That Pointe-a-Pierre result is very interesting. That seat is usually a very, very safe seat for the UNC.....but I eh know who did the poll so I'm a tad cautious........
I would not call it a safe UNC seat. Didn't the PNM won that seat in 2007?
Because the COP split the votes in 2007.....for the PNM to win, there would have to be big, big swing towards to PNM......
See this table.....sorry about the formatting.....
Results for Pointe-a-Pierre
UNC PNM COP UNC & COP votes combined
2000 11,124 6,847
2001 10,425 6,635
2002 10,768 7,792
2007 6,189 7,505 3,664 9,853
2010 10,922 6,956
And thats the thing about the past two elections...they were both anomalies. What I end up doing is looking at the 2007 figures and giving them more credence summing up the effects of the split. I think this is a better guess due to the fact that you can quantify the effect of the "swing" needed for a seat to go one way or the other. And well...if this election brings out the electorate to vote out a government like it did in 2010, (as it seems likely to) you can assign the minimum each party would get and know where the battles are most interesting.
And even that not so cut and dry. Point Fortin get REAL houses for HDC given out....and I dont think that was just by chance. I need to check the margins to see...but.....it dicey.
Post by: Sando prince on September 04, 2015, 08:16:48 AM
Post by: lefty on September 04, 2015, 08:19:53 AM
Oh and lefty, the Guardian is running a poll by a guy named Bertrand. Up to approx 2 months ago I had never heard of him. He polled the marginals back then. I can't remember the results off hand but I think he chose Tunapuna and St. Joseph for the PNM.....
Here is the result for their poll of Toco/Sande Grande which they are calling for the PNM......they didn't indicate when they did the poll but I'm assuming it was within the last 2 weeks or so......
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-09-03/latest-louis-bertrand-poll-marginals-tocogrande-goes-pnm (http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-09-03/latest-louis-bertrand-poll-marginals-tocogrande-goes-pnm)
The Guardian is publishing results of the marginals over the next few days till Sunday......I'll keep an eye on those.....
ok cool but it seem to have real people drinkin d Koolaid especially when "food sharing" , it have real URP and Cepep done antsy bout d prospect of having to do real work or loosing dey work with a rowley PNM..........
Post by: Brownsugar on September 04, 2015, 09:23:01 AM
I know the COP split the votes in some seats in 2007 but for me a safe seat is one that is guaranteed even with a third party contesting. So if a third party can come into a constituency and cause you to lose then your seat is not really safe. There are seats the PNM and UNC would always win even if a third or fourth party come into contention and you can rest assured that is a safe seat
Ok. I gotcha. I guess that's why it could swing because there is an element in the seat that can be persuaded by the PNM to vote them rather than the UNC. From what I heard, choosing Neil Mohammed was a master stroke by the PNM because the candidate's family is well known and grounded in the community......
aaahhh boy.....just 2 days and some hours now........
Post by: Brownsugar on September 04, 2015, 09:26:59 AM
Oh and lefty, the Guardian is running a poll by a guy named Bertrand. Up to approx 2 months ago I had never heard of him. He polled the marginals back then. I can't remember the results off hand but I think he chose Tunapuna and St. Joseph for the PNM.....
Here is the result for their poll of Toco/Sande Grande which they are calling for the PNM......they didn't indicate when they did the poll but I'm assuming it was within the last 2 weeks or so......
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-09-03/latest-louis-bertrand-poll-marginals-tocogrande-goes-pnm (http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-09-03/latest-louis-bertrand-poll-marginals-tocogrande-goes-pnm)
The Guardian is publishing results of the marginals over the next few days till Sunday......I'll keep an eye on those.....
ok cool but it seem to have real people drinkin d Koolaid especially when "food sharing" , it have real URP and Cepep done antsy bout d prospect of having to do real work or loosing dey work with a rowley PNM..........
Lefty, I have that concern too. The targeting of the people who are on the lowest levels of society in terms of income who depend on URP and CEPEP. Mind you, this happened under the PNM too eh.
I'm hoping for a Tobago effect. Take therir money and vote them out.
And I'm also hoping there are more right thinking citizens out there to counteract that.......and no Timothy Hamel-Smith doh count as "right thinking". He is an example of our professional class failing us. Damn arse!!
Post by: lefty on September 04, 2015, 09:50:30 AM
Oh and lefty, the Guardian is running a poll by a guy named Bertrand. Up to approx 2 months ago I had never heard of him. He polled the marginals back then. I can't remember the results off hand but I think he chose Tunapuna and St. Joseph for the PNM.....
Here is the result for their poll of Toco/Sande Grande which they are calling for the PNM......they didn't indicate when they did the poll but I'm assuming it was within the last 2 weeks or so......
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-09-03/latest-louis-bertrand-poll-marginals-tocogrande-goes-pnm (http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-09-03/latest-louis-bertrand-poll-marginals-tocogrande-goes-pnm)
The Guardian is publishing results of the marginals over the next few days till Sunday......I'll keep an eye on those.....
ok cool but it seem to have real people drinkin d Koolaid especially when "food sharing" , it have real URP and Cepep done antsy bout d prospect of having to do real work or loosing dey work with a rowley PNM..........
Lefty, I have that concern too. The targeting of the people who are on the lowest levels of society in terms of income who depend on URP and CEPEP. Mind you, this happened under the PNM too eh.
well aware of this, my mom worked Cepep....it used to irk mih when dey had to go on dese "rallies", luckily she wanted better than cepep for she self save she money and open ah lil takeout place and leave cepep behind
I'm hoping for a Tobago effect. Take therir money and vote them out.
me too
And I'm also hoping there are more right thinking citizens out there to counteract that.......and no Timothy Hamel-Smith doh count as "right thinking". He is an example of our professional class failing us. Damn arse!!
Lol at Timmy he still eatin he food on d down low...........and as I suggested, many people dat right thinkin get box drains and paved roads....so to dem is a real dilemma.....PNM record of rural neglect is no myth...exaggerated but no myth...dey need to buck up on dat, if dey win................ but den I does vote in Fyzo and Sharma ent to ah flyin f**k for the years he dey except for he frien fam and outside women
Post by: asylumseeker on September 04, 2015, 02:58:11 PM
What make and model does BS drive?
Post by: TdotTrini on September 05, 2015, 06:16:21 AM
well aware of this, my mom worked Cepep....it used to irk mih when dey had to go on dese "rallies", luckily she wanted better than cepep for she self save she money and open ah lil takeout place and leave cepep behind
Anyone work or know of anyone URP of CEPEP.
Are you able to share more on this? I always wanted to know or understand if the threat of loosing contracts or work was real, if you did not comply. Did this also happened prior to 5 years ago?
Post by: lefty on September 05, 2015, 08:48:19 AM
well aware of this, my mom worked Cepep....it used to irk mih when dey had to go on dese "rallies", luckily she wanted better than cepep for she self save she money and open ah lil takeout place and leave cepep behind
Anyone work or know of anyone URP of CEPEP.
Are you able to share more on this? I always wanted to know or understand if the threat of loosing contracts or work was real, if you did not comply. Did this also happened prior to 5 years ago?
my mom work under PNM and yes manning used to pull d same shit when he was under pressure
Post by: Sando prince on September 05, 2015, 08:56:05 AM
(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlp1/v/t1.0-9/11951370_10207935838103645_1948434229359947377_n.jpg?oh=6529d540b8caa3e6f80a17cddc18ca3f&oe=56748559)
Post by: Sando prince on September 05, 2015, 09:13:22 AM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10207929506825367&set=gm.1039656482713714&type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10207929506825367&set=gm.1039656482713714&type=1&theater)
Post by: Sando prince on September 05, 2015, 01:19:26 PM
PNM Grand Rally will be streaming LIVE today on youtube. Here is the link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dELwQBpvA4
Post by: Bourbon on September 05, 2015, 04:16:23 PM
Post by: Bourbon on September 05, 2015, 04:17:44 PM
http://www.kamla2015.tt/livestream
Post by: asylumseeker on September 05, 2015, 05:42:56 PM
Post by: davyjenny1 on September 06, 2015, 03:32:09 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/RNiemrW2Osw
Post by: lefty on September 06, 2015, 06:42:16 AM
What lessons have the PNM learned in Opposition?Hopefully........do shit and we will move your ass
Post by: Michael-j on September 06, 2015, 06:50:40 AM
What lessons have the PNM learned in Opposition?
I'm more inclined to believe they learned more from being resoundingly beaten in 2010 than they did from being in opposition per se.
Post by: Michael-j on September 06, 2015, 06:51:22 AM
What lessons have the PNM learned in Opposition?Hopefully........do shit and we will move your ass
Let's see if this lesson holds true for the PP as well.
Post by: lefty on September 06, 2015, 07:08:37 AM
True eh very true.....plenty people still drinking d koolaid, for selfish reasonsWhat lessons have the PNM learned in Opposition?Hopefully........do shit and we will move your ass
Let's see if this lesson holds true for the PP as well.
Post by: Sando prince on September 06, 2015, 07:49:12 AM
Post by: Sando prince on September 06, 2015, 08:41:46 AM
PM Kamla offers bag of election goodies
...tells supporters how you vote tomorrow will decide your future
Shaliza Hassanali
Published:
Saturday, September 5, 2015
Supporters at PNM’s rally at Eddie Hart Grounds, Tacarigua, yesterday. PHOTO: MICHEAL BRUCE
Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar yesterday offered a bag of pre-election goodies to citizens if they gave her People's Partnership Government another five-year term in office.
Some of the promises Persad-Bissessar said would include the removal of VAT from utility bills for 170,000 senior citizens, creation of 1,000 jobs, and zero tolerance towards crime, which she said would be included in the 2015/2016 People’s Partnership budget presentation for citizens if re-elected.
The removal of VAT, Persad-Bissessar said, would save each pensioner an average of $900 per year on their utility bills.
“We will take a zero tolerance approach to crime by requiring each police station to meet specific crime reduction targets,” Persad-Bissessar said. She said $100 million would also assist in clearing the backlog of cases in our justice system.
“We will ensure that judges can make sure that criminals pay for all crimes, and the public will feel safer and more secure in their own communities.”
Persad-Bissessar said there was much more to be done, but she needed their vote to continue the task at hand for the next five years.
She gave the commitment as she addressed thousands of flag-waving United National Congress supporters last night at the party’s final rally at the Aranguez Savannah.
With one day left before voters go to the polls, Persad-Bissessar urged party faithful to make the right decision when they exercised their franchise.
“How you vote on Monday will decide your future, your progress and that of our nation and children. At a time of volatile oil prices and global uncertainty now is not the time to take the risk of replacing this Government which has delivered. Let us put God forward and move towards victory.”
She described the PNM’s team as uncertain, inexperienced, and a party with no plan.
“Forward ever...Rowley never,” Persad-Bissessar shouted as supporters went into a frenzy.
In the last five years, Persad-Bissessar said, the country had made great strides with its infrastructural development and a strong economy.
Persad-Bissessar said this election was the most inspiring in her political career, having met people from every nook and cranny as they pledged their support for the party. She said their gestures brought “tears to my eyes” and gave her inspiration and hope.
Having struggled as a child in the rural community of Penal, Persad-Bissessar said she obtained a sound education which elevated her out of poverty and made her the strong woman she is today.
In 2010, Persad-Bissessar said, she brought the People’s National Movement to its knees mired as it was in corruption, crime, murders, kidnappings and discrimination.
Persad-Bissessar said before she became PM, she “took abuse, was sidelined and many sought to bring her down,” but her life-long motto to put God in front and walk behind helped her.
“I say here this evening that I will never leave you, not in the worst of times—I will stay with you in service until the day when there are no more days, until I cross the River Jordan, until the end.”
Read More; http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-09-06/pm-kamla-offers-bag-election-goodies (http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-09-06/pm-kamla-offers-bag-election-goodies)
Post by: asylumseeker on September 06, 2015, 08:41:59 AM
What lessons have the PNM learned in Opposition?
I'm more inclined to believe they learned more from being resoundingly beaten in 2010 than they did from being in opposition per se.
Fundamentally, that is a problem.
The loss occurred as the product of years of disattenuated leadership. The loss itself was fleeting. The legacy of the loss should not be fleeting.
As with the years of preceding poor delivery, the years in Opposition have been multiple. If the PNM's exercise in Opposition has merely been a process of biding one's time during the unfolding poor delivery of the other, absent substantive internal reconstitution, then, should the PNM prevail tomorrow, no right-minded voter should find the victory fertile.
Unfortunately, during this campaign, the PNM has had the luxury of avoiding accountable introspection, reflection and contrition. What's the promise to the populace? A replanted balisier or a fresh sturdy sprout?
To drive change, people have to drive home the message that years of alternating nonsense does not change outcomes; it merely changes faces and personalities.
Keith Christopher Rowley should spend much time absorbing the underlying message. I encourage him to identify flotsam and jetsam. Everyone has tired of sinking ships.
Post by: asylumseeker on September 06, 2015, 08:45:22 AM
Post by: asylumseeker on September 06, 2015, 09:00:16 AM
True eh very true.....plenty people still drinking d koolaid, for selfish reasonsWhat lessons have the PNM learned in Opposition?Hopefully........do shit and we will move your ass
Let's see if this lesson holds true for the PP as well.
Money, money, money?
Post by: Sando prince on September 06, 2015, 09:36:59 AM
Video Report; https://www.facebook.com/cnewslive/videos/10153557583150610/ (https://www.facebook.com/cnewslive/videos/10153557583150610/)
September 7th is less than two days away and already the Caricom Observers monitoring the Electoral process say they have been informed about allegations of overspending and bias media coverage.
The Caribbean delegation is here to observe the country's parliamentary elections to provide a fair and unbiased assessment of the event.
Meanwhile, CNMG says it has been and remains available to all political organizations.
CEO, Ken Ali, says CNMG's news products remain fair and balanced, with coverage of political activities by all election contenders.Equally, he says, guests from all political organisations have been invited to participate in our talk shows, but Opposition parties have, on several occasions, declined participation.He also points out CNMG has been the only arm of the electronic news media to carry live coverage from Balisier House of the local government and internal PNM elections.
He says live broadcast of political meetings is based on commercial placements at industry rates.
Unlike certain other media companies, Mr. Ali adds, CNMG did not increase its rates for political advertising. Approaches, he said, were made to the opposition parties, which declined to place election messages on the CNMG network.
Post by: lefty on September 06, 2015, 09:41:58 AM
Exactly, house dey eh get yet, all kinda ting.True eh very true.....plenty people still drinking d koolaid, for selfish reasonsWhat lessons have the PNM learned in Opposition?Hopefully........do shit and we will move your ass
Let's see if this lesson holds true for the PP as well.
Money, money, money?
Post by: TdotTrini on September 06, 2015, 10:31:58 AM
I copied the following predictions from a Guardian newspaper blogger and struggled to change any of his/her predictions.
See current constituency map: http://www.ttparliament.org/members.php?mid=27
1 Arima - Anthony Garcia - PNM
2 Arouca/Maloney - Camille Robinson-Regis - PNM
3 Barataria/San Juan - Hafeez Ali - PNM
4 Caroni Central - Bhoe Tewarie - UNC
5 Caroni East - Tim Gopeesingh - UNC
6 Chaguanas East - Fazal Karim - UNC
7 Chaguanas West - Abbegail Nandalal - PNM
8 Couva North - Ramona Ramdial - UNC
9 Couva South - Rudranath Indarsingh - UNC
10 Cumuto/Manzanilla - Bharath (Barry) Lochan - PNM
11 D'Abadie/O'Meara - Brigadier Ancil W Antoine - PNM
12 Diego Martin Central - Darryl Smith - PNM
13 Diego Martin North/East - Colm Imbert - PNM
14 Diego Martin West - Dr. the Hon. Keith Rowley - PNM
15 Fyzabad - Ms. Marsha Bailey PNM
16 La Brea - Nicole Olivierre - PNM
17 La Horquetta/Talparo - Maxie Cuffie - PNM
18 Laventille East/Morvant - Adrian Leonce - PNM
19 Laventille West - Fitzgerald Hinds - PNM
20 Lopinot/Bon Air West - Cherrie-Ann Crichlow-Cockburn - PNM
21 Mayaro - Clarence Rambharat - PNM
22 Naparima - Rodney Charles - UNC
23 Oropouche East - Roodal Moonilal - UNC
24 Oropouche West - Vidia Guyadeen Gopeesingh - UNC
25 Point Fortin - Major General Edmund Dillon - PNM
26 Point-a-Pierre - Neil Mohammed - PNM
27 POS North/St. Anns West - Stuart Young - PNM
28 POS South - Marlene McDonald - PNM
29 Princess Town North - Barry Padarath - UNC
30 Moruga/Tableland - Clifton De Coteau - UNC
31 San Fernando East - Randell Mitchell - PNM
32 San Fernando West - Faris Al-Rawi - PNM
33 Siparia - Kamla Persad-Bissessar - UNC
34 St. Anns East - Dr. Nyan Gadsby/Dolly - PNM
35 St. Augustine - Alisha S. Romano - PNM
36 St. Joseph - Terrence Deyalsingh - PNM
37 Tabaquite - Suruj Rambachan - UNC
38 Tobago East - Ayanna Webster-Roy -PNM
39 Tobago West - Shamfa Cudjoe - PNM
40 Toco/Sangre Grande - Glenda Jennings-Smith - PNM
41 Tunapuna - Esmond I Forde - PNM
PNM………………………………………………29 seats
UNC………………………………..……………..12 seats
Post by: Sando prince on September 06, 2015, 10:41:29 AM
My prediction is PNM winning the election with 23-25 seats.
At the end of the day people have to come out and vote because votes win elections!
.
Post by: Sando prince on September 06, 2015, 12:11:28 PM
PNM favoured to win
...leads in five marginals
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-09-06/pnm-favoured-win
Sunday, September 6, 2015
The last poll conducted by H.H.B & Associates in the five critical marginal seats shows the Opposition People’s National Movement (PNM) as the party favoured to win tomorrow’s general election.
Louis Bertrand and H.H.B & Associates polled 120 people from the marginal seats of Toco/Sangre Grande, St Joseph, Tunapuna, San Fernando West and Lopinot/Bon Air West. In each one, the PNM took the lead over the ruling United National Congress/People’s Partnership.
This latest poll found that the PNM was considered “best” in looking after the interests of the people, having the best policies, and possessing the best team of leaders capable of dealing with the challenges currently facing the country in all four constituencies.
PNM leader Dr Keith Rowley has overtaken Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar as being the “best prime minister” in the marginals polled.
The findings also show that a strong number of voters who selected the UNC/PP in 2010 have now crossed over to the PNM.
In Toco/Sangre Grande, as many as 19 per cent of the people who voted for the PP back in 2010 have now confirmed that they will be voting for the PNM in tomorrow’s election, as compared to four per cent of PNM voters who have now crossed over to the UNC/PP.
In St Joseph, as in Toco/Sangre Grande, the electorate found that the PNM had the “best” team of leaders, best policies, and the best position to look after the interests of the people.
In St Joseph, it was found that 24 per cent of voters who picked the UNC/PP in 2010 now prefer the PNM.
The PNM managed to retain some 82 per cent of its 2010 voters, compared to the PP which retained 61 per cent of its voters.
In Tunapuna, some 51 per cent found that Rowley would make a better prime minister, compared to 35 per cent who back Persad-Bissessar to return to the post.
In San Fernando West, 27 per cent of the voters who backed the UNC/PP have now crossed over to the PNM, while 17 per cent are undecided. The retention rate for the PP is now 56 per cent.
In Lopinot/Bon Air West, some eight per cent of the people polled supported the ILP, while the majority backed the PNM. Thirteen per cent of the UNC/PP voters are now favouring the PNM to take the win, with the ILP holding some 13 per cent of the voters in the Lopinot/Bon Air West constituency. In this area, the UNC/PP retained 58 per cent of its 2010 voters while the PNM retained some 92 per cent of those who voted for them in 2010. No one polled indicated that they moved from supporting the PNM to the UNC/PP.
Post by: lefty on September 06, 2015, 12:44:43 PM
Post by: Bourbon on September 06, 2015, 02:58:05 PM
For example I eh seeing any way PNM winning Chaguanas West.
Not that I would mind if it happens...just knowing the politics...I dont.
I did up a kind of ratch in work but forgot it there.
I think and hoping PNM get 24. I especially hoping they get St Joseph, Mayaro, San Juan,Sando West, St Augustine, and Chaguanas East. It would be nice for Fyzabad too...but again....the politics.
Post by: Deeks on September 06, 2015, 03:02:43 PM
Post by: che on September 06, 2015, 04:56:41 PM
Post by: real madness on September 06, 2015, 06:22:28 PM
^^ Hard to believe the UNC will win only 12 seats. I want the PNM candidates to win in Fyzo and St Augustine but it will very difficult for them to win those seats. I hope I am proven wrong.
My prediction is PNM winning the election with 23-25 seats.
At the end of the day people have to come out and vote because votes win elections!
.
I can't see PNM winning more than 23 - 25 seats but you never know. I don't think anyone predicted the 33-3 cutarse in 1986.
Post by: Sando prince on September 06, 2015, 08:33:04 PM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20150906/news/basdeo-panday-unsure-to-cast-vote (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20150906/news/basdeo-panday-unsure-to-cast-vote)
Post by: Socapro on September 06, 2015, 08:55:25 PM
Predictions for Monday's General Elections.
I copied the following predictions from a Guardian newspaper blogger and struggled to change any of his/her predictions.
See current constituency map: http://www.ttparliament.org/members.php?mid=27
1 Arima - Anthony Garcia - PNM
2 Arouca/Maloney - Camille Robinson-Regis - PNM
3 Barataria/San Juan - Hafeez Ali - PNM
4 Caroni Central - Bhoe Tewarie - UNC
5 Caroni East - Tim Gopeesingh - UNC
6 Chaguanas East - Fazal Karim - UNC
7 Chaguanas West - Abbegail Nandalal - PNM
8 Couva North - Ramona Ramdial - UNC
9 Couva South - Rudranath Indarsingh - UNC
10 Cumuto/Manzanilla - Bharath (Barry) Lochan - PNM
11 D'Abadie/O'Meara - Brigadier Ancil W Antoine - PNM
12 Diego Martin Central - Darryl Smith - PNM
13 Diego Martin North/East - Colm Imbert - PNM
14 Diego Martin West - Dr. the Hon. Keith Rowley - PNM
15 Fyzabad - Ms. Marsha Bailey PNM
16 La Brea - Nicole Olivierre - PNM
17 La Horquetta/Talparo - Maxie Cuffie - PNM
18 Laventille East/Morvant - Adrian Leonce - PNM
19 Laventille West - Fitzgerald Hinds - PNM
20 Lopinot/Bon Air West - Cherrie-Ann Crichlow-Cockburn - PNM
21 Mayaro - Clarence Rambharat - PNM
22 Naparima - Rodney Charles - UNC
23 Oropouche East - Roodal Moonilal - UNC
24 Oropouche West - Vidia Guyadeen Gopeesingh - UNC
25 Point Fortin - Major General Edmund Dillon - PNM
26 Point-a-Pierre - Neil Mohammed - PNM
27 POS North/St. Anns West - Stuart Young - PNM
28 POS South - Marlene McDonald - PNM
29 Princess Town North - Barry Padarath - UNC
30 Moruga/Tableland - Clifton De Coteau - UNC
31 San Fernando East - Randell Mitchell - PNM
32 San Fernando West - Faris Al-Rawi - PNM
33 Siparia - Kamla Persad-Bissessar - UNC
34 St. Anns East - Dr. Nyan Gadsby/Dolly - PNM
35 St. Augustine - Alisha S. Romano - PNM
36 St. Joseph - Terrence Deyalsingh - PNM
37 Tabaquite - Suruj Rambachan - UNC
38 Tobago East - Ayanna Webster-Roy -PNM
39 Tobago West - Shamfa Cudjoe - PNM
40 Toco/Sangre Grande - Glenda Jennings-Smith - PNM
41 Tunapuna - Esmond I Forde - PNM
PNM………………………………………………29 seats
UNC………………………………..……………..12 seats
ILP will win Chaguanas East, Toco/Sangre Grande and Lopinot/Bon Air West.
And PNM will win Naparima.
Post by: Bourbon on September 07, 2015, 05:40:44 AM
Post by: TdotTrini on September 07, 2015, 07:30:04 AM
I can't see properly, maybe he index finger cut off. ;D
Post by: Sando prince on September 07, 2015, 09:22:51 AM
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Post by: royal on September 07, 2015, 12:03:52 PM
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/12002094_10153525203159360_3778386618404244092_n.jpg?oh=189e4ba464441b3b3bd5faed0ecca892&oe=56A63FCF)
Post by: royal on September 07, 2015, 12:56:23 PM
Dr Bhoe Tewarie says he knows nothing about text messages being sent seeking support
Post by: grimm01 on September 07, 2015, 01:07:34 PM
CCN TV6 @tv6tnt
Dr Bhoe Tewarie says he knows nothing about text messages being sent seeking support
Well that's that then, case closed.
Post by: Socapro on September 07, 2015, 01:21:40 PM
CCN TV6 @tv6tnt
Dr Bhoe Tewarie says he knows nothing about text messages being sent seeking support
Well that's that then, case closed.
The cheating and the lies don't stop even on election day.
Lets hope the T&T population has enough sense to do the right thing and be rid of them.
Post by: Sando prince on September 07, 2015, 03:11:37 PM
Here is an online stream for coverage of the elections results tonight.
http://www.tv6tnt.com/elections/live-stream (http://www.tv6tnt.com/elections/live-stream)
Post by: Bourbon on September 07, 2015, 03:36:33 PM
Post by: che on September 07, 2015, 04:16:26 PM
Due to the the torrentially heavy rain... Polls will now close at 7pm... This being extended by 1hr
Only in Trinidad. Tobago will still close at 6p.m.
Post by: che on September 07, 2015, 04:19:15 PM
Post by: Sando prince on September 07, 2015, 04:31:52 PM
Can anyone tell me what seats are considered toss ups?
Toss ups are Tunapuna, St Joseph, La Horquetta/ Talparo, Moruga/ Tableand, Toco/ Sangre Grande
But there are seats that considered traditional UNC seats such as Mayaro that may not be safe for UNC this election.
Post by: Bourbon on September 07, 2015, 04:44:25 PM
Which is folly. Is a national election... It was seen as a national issue thus an hour should have been given for both.Due to the the torrentially heavy rain... Polls will now close at 7pm... This being extended by 1hr
Only in Trinidad. Tobago will still close at 6p.m.
Second comess for the election..
Post by: che on September 07, 2015, 04:58:32 PM
Which is folly. Is a national election... It was seen as a national issue thus an hour should have been given for both.Due to the the torrentially heavy rain... Polls will now close at 7pm... This being extended by 1hr
Only in Trinidad. Tobago will still close at 6p.m.
Second comess for the election..
Yeah. A Tobago politician already complain. And I believe she has a point.
Post by: che on September 07, 2015, 05:38:19 PM
Post by: Bourbon on September 07, 2015, 05:42:41 PM
http://arcg.is/1O6AgLZ
http://arcg.is/1UA5P0y
Post by: che on September 07, 2015, 05:49:32 PM
Post by: Sando prince on September 07, 2015, 05:51:47 PM
Here is the link again. Good political commentary going on
http://www.tv6tnt.com/elections/live-stream
Post by: che on September 07, 2015, 05:52:05 PM
Post by: Sando prince on September 07, 2015, 06:02:57 PM
PNM leading in both Tobago seats, Sando East, Toco/ Grande
UNC leading in Couva North
Post by: E-man on September 07, 2015, 06:07:00 PM
Post by: che on September 07, 2015, 06:07:45 PM
Post by: che on September 07, 2015, 06:09:17 PM
Post by: E-man on September 07, 2015, 06:12:50 PM
Post by: Sando prince on September 07, 2015, 06:14:20 PM
Looks like UNC leading Mayaro.
No PNM is leading in Mayaro at the moment
Post by: E-man on September 07, 2015, 06:15:41 PM
Post by: che on September 07, 2015, 06:15:56 PM
Post by: E-man on September 07, 2015, 06:25:06 PM
Post by: E-man on September 07, 2015, 06:31:08 PM
Post by: che on September 07, 2015, 06:36:27 PM
Post by: E-man on September 07, 2015, 06:47:41 PM
Post by: E-man on September 07, 2015, 06:51:34 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/9R4DnhS.jpg)
Post by: E-man on September 07, 2015, 07:10:49 PM
Post by: E-man on September 07, 2015, 07:51:46 PM
Post by: asylumseeker on September 07, 2015, 07:54:14 PM
Here is the link again. Good political commentary going on
http://www.tv6tnt.com/elections/live-stream
Any other option?
Post by: che on September 07, 2015, 07:54:58 PM
Post by: Sando prince on September 07, 2015, 08:06:33 PM
Looks like UNC will win 22/19 or 21/20.
How you reach this with only two seats confirmed? and only 30% of votes counted
Post by: E-man on September 07, 2015, 08:07:28 PM
CNC3 has PNM 23/18 in their running totals
Post by: Sando prince on September 07, 2015, 08:08:32 PM
TV6 has UNC 21/18
CNC3 has PNM 23/18 in their running totals
This is what Che is not seeing
Post by: Sando prince on September 07, 2015, 08:10:27 PM
Here is the link again. Good political commentary going on
http://www.tv6tnt.com/elections/live-stream
Any other option?
Not sure if this will work for you
http://www.cnc3.co.tt/livestream
Post by: che on September 07, 2015, 08:16:05 PM
Looks like UNC will win 22/19 or 21/20.
How you reach this with only two seats confirmed? and only 30% of votes counted
I hope that I an wrong but I am just going by the numbers.
Post by: E-man on September 07, 2015, 08:16:14 PM
Post by: Sando prince on September 07, 2015, 08:24:29 PM
Looks like UNC will win 22/19 or 21/20.
How you reach this with only two seats confirmed? and only 30% of votes counted
I hope that I an wrong but I am just going by the numbers.
The numbers say PNM leading by 23 seats but plenty plenty votes to be counted
Post by: E-man on September 07, 2015, 08:25:41 PM
Post by: E-man on September 07, 2015, 08:32:05 PM
Post by: asylumseeker on September 07, 2015, 08:42:13 PM
Here is the link again. Good political commentary going on
http://www.tv6tnt.com/elections/live-stream
Any other option?
Not sure if this will work for you
http://www.cnc3.co.tt/livestream
Much better now! CNC was sticking before but ok now. :thumbsup:
Post by: che on September 07, 2015, 08:44:49 PM
Post by: E-man on September 07, 2015, 08:46:10 PM
Post by: Sando prince on September 07, 2015, 08:52:05 PM
TV6 Decision Desk just called it for PNM
wait! the final map will eventually show Point Fortin in RED! so make sure to post that one ;D
Post by: E-man on September 07, 2015, 08:55:26 PM
Post by: Bakes on September 07, 2015, 08:56:34 PM
Anyone looking for a late supper, there's left over food at the ILP HQ
"There are actually more boxes of food than people..."
I nearly dead.
Post by: Michael-j on September 07, 2015, 08:57:42 PM
Anyone looking for a late supper, there's left over food at the ILP HQ
"There are actually more boxes of food than people..."
I nearly dead.
Lol! They said Warner went home and didn't come back....lol
Post by: Michael-j on September 07, 2015, 09:16:07 PM
Anyone looking for a late supper, there's left over food at the ILP HQ
"There are actually more boxes of food than people..."
I nearly dead.
Lol! They said Warner went home and didn't come back....lol
Jack's back. He says a victory for the PNM is a victory for the ILP.
Post by: Bakes on September 07, 2015, 09:17:21 PM
Jack's back. He says a victory for the PNM is a victory for the ILP.
I now coming to say Jack claiming victory :D
Post by: MEP on September 07, 2015, 09:29:45 PM
Bakes good to see you back.....ah hear yuh boy Sanko lookin for a wuk...wait even wuss for he right hand man
Post by: Deeks on September 07, 2015, 09:44:14 PM
Jack's back. He says a victory for the PNM is a victory for the ILP.
I now coming to say Jack claiming victory :D
Jack better stay under his jumbie umbrella!
Post by: MEP on September 07, 2015, 09:45:23 PM
Post by: Peong on September 07, 2015, 09:48:16 PM
Post by: Bakes on September 07, 2015, 09:55:08 PM
Great is the PNM Great is the PNM and we have prevailed...
Bakes good to see you back.....ah hear yuh boy Sanko lookin for a wuk...wait even wuss for he right hand man
Just passing thru... yuh know tonight of all night I have tuh come tief ah wine on Brownsugar :beermug:
The talk about Tim Kee is shit talk, as usual. Tim Kee's biggest issue is that he continues to discount the value of social media proactive communication. All monies that pass thru his hands have properly been accounted for. I'm sure Ex-Minister Sanko and his bag man can't say the same.
Post by: Sando prince on September 07, 2015, 10:01:08 PM
^^ Hard to believe the UNC will win only 12 seats. I want the PNM candidates to win in Fyzo and St Augustine but it will very difficult for them to win those seats. I hope I am proven wrong.
My prediction is PNM winning the election with 23-25 seats.
At the end of the day people have to come out and vote because votes win elections!
See my prediction was RIGHT eh :)
Post by: MEP on September 07, 2015, 10:12:15 PM
Great is the PNM Great is the PNM and we have prevailed...
Bakes good to see you back.....ah hear yuh boy Sanko lookin for a wuk...wait even wuss for he right hand man
Just passing thru... yuh know tonight of all night I have tuh come tief ah wine on Brownsugar :beermug:Sanko... Banko hitch he cart to de wrong horse, and by that I don't mean his jackass of an "adviser." Talk about squandering an opportunity... but when you lack character it's only a matter of time before the facade crumbles. His days in football done, I could all but guarantee that.
The talk about Tim Kee is shit talk, as usual. Tim Kee's biggest issue is that he continues to discount the value of social media proactive communication. All monies that pass thru his hands have properly been accounted for. I'm sure Ex-Minister Sanko and his bag man can't say the same.
so true an inept political opportunist......
I wonder how many of them booking flights out of the country and heading to South Africa ..it is alleged ...to hold up with Anil Roberts
Post by: pull stones on September 07, 2015, 10:31:00 PM
Post by: lefty on September 07, 2015, 10:40:15 PM
Post by: Flex on September 08, 2015, 01:51:45 AM
By Gail Alexander (Guardian).
The People’s National Movement’s fourth leader, Dr Keith Rowley, now Prime Minister-elect, will be T&T’s second Tobago-born Prime Minister following yesterday’s 2015 general election victory.
Rowley follows Tobago-born late Prime Minister Arthur NR Robinson into history in this regard.
Mammoth cheers from supporters went up at PNM’s Balisier House headquarters at 11.40 pm last night when PNM chairman Franklin Khan announced the party’s election result victory, adding: “I now invite to address you, the new Prime Minister of T&T.”
Speaking to the media just before the announcement, Rowley had said: “We have been tracking these results and the PNM would have won the elections and from tomorrow (today) T&T will have a new government...the PNM has come out with the majority of seats...tonight is the beginning of another era.”
Rowley said the PNM had won 22 or 23 of the 41 constituencies. Results for the Moruga Tableland constituency were still incoming when he spoke.
Later on it was unofficially announced that the PNM had taken the election 23-18, pending the official release of that information by the Elections and Boundaries Commission.
The PNM takes the helm from the People's Partnership, which now forms the Opposition, with 18 seats and which won the popular vote despite the PNM’s win in the majority of constituencies.
The PP crossed 300,000-plus votes while the PNM received 200,000-plus, it was estimated.
Outgoing prime minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar conceded at midnight at her Siparia office, speaking after Rowley made his victory speech. She said the people’s wishes must be respected as the people had chosen.
Sounding upbeat throughout her speech, she added: “I’m happy to be Citizen Kamla, MP for Siparia, all over again. I believe we fought a good fight.”
Persad-Bissessar noted the PP had obtained the popular vote. She said she would not stop serving the people, that the PP was still strong and that there would be healthy Opposition in the Parliament,
Congress of the People leader Prakash Ramadhar also said he hoped Rowley was sincere. He said what politicians did hereon would determine how successful T&T would be.
Jack Warner’s Independent Liberal Party (ILP) lost its bid in all the seats it contested, even though Warner at the close of polls had projected his party might have won “one to three seats.”
But the United National Congress’ Ganga Singh re-took the Chaguanas West seat which Warner held from 2010 to yesterday — in and out of government — and Warner also lost his bid for Chaguanas East, which was won by UNC’s Fazal Karim.
Warner told reporters that was his last hurrah in politics during his concession speech at the party’s Chaguanas headquarters last night.
The seats which gave the PNM its election victory were St Joseph, Toco-Manzanilla, Tunapuna, La Horquetta-Talparo and San Fernando West, apart from its traditional constituencies.
The PP maintained its traditional holdings, with the UNC taking 17 seats and COP leader Ramadhar winning the St Augustine seat, a total of 18.
Inclement weather throughout all of T&T marred yesterday’s exercise, though heavy voting patterns with a continuous flow of voters was seen all morning in polling stations.
Rains which began mid-morning and continued to late evening prompted the PNM to seek to have the EBC extend the close of poll time from 6 pm to 7 pm in Trinidad, though not Tobago.
This was the second time since 1961 that the close of poll deadline was extended from 6 pm to 7 pm. It was last done in December 1961 due to problems with voting machines.
Long campaign
After the long three-month campaign period of the 2015 general election ended yesterday, trends began emerging around 9 pm, with the PP leading in 19 seats and the PNM in 16. By 9.20 pm the PP was leading in 21 seats and the PNM in 18.
At that time it became clear that Toco-Manzanilla, Tunapuna and St Joseph were in the balance.
At 9.30 pm the first two seats to be declared went to the PNM: Tobago West (Shamfa Cudjoe) and Tobago East (Ayanna Webster-Roy).
By 10 pm, Siparia was declared for PP’s Persad-Bissessar, who received over 15,000 votes. She thanked supporters for her victory there.
However, by 10.30 pm, the numbers flipped and the PNM surged ahead in La Horquetta-Talparo, St Joseph and Tunapuna.
The final declarations came at just after 11 pm. By that time, PNM supporters at a crowded Balisier House, Port-of-Spain, had started celebrating while disappointed PP supporters at Rienzi Complex, Couva, had started to leave when Persad-Bissessar failed to show up.
Rowley, during his victory statement, again warned that difficult times were ahead. He said his first priorities were the swearing in of an attorney general, whom he declined to identify, and the delivery of the 2016 Budget.
EBC spokesman Dominic Hinds said last night they couldn’t give a voter turn-out until around noon today. He also said figures were preliminary.
The 2015 electorate was 1,099,279. In 2010 voter turnout was approximately 69 per cent of the 936,236 electorate.
Both the PNM and PP claimed irregularities occurred at various places in yesterday’s exercise.
Post by: asylumseeker on September 08, 2015, 04:04:52 AM
Post by: lefty on September 08, 2015, 04:53:38 AM
How did Amery Browne come to be discarded from his Diego constituency?He fall in with the rumoured culling of supposed manning loyalists during the candidate selection process.......
Post by: Tallman on September 08, 2015, 07:05:41 AM
Post by: asylumseeker on September 08, 2015, 07:29:21 AM
Post by: Bourbon on September 08, 2015, 08:09:54 AM
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This tame too.
It had real plenty whole weekend...yesterday..everything. Cant recall a time where it seemed this polarizing.
Post by: Sando prince on September 08, 2015, 08:14:53 AM
A NEW ELECTORAL CONSTITUENCY MAP OF T&T
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Post by: Sando prince on September 08, 2015, 08:15:43 AM
^^ PNM over-took the East-West corridor :D
Post by: R45 on September 08, 2015, 08:16:50 AM
Elections were easy, the trouble is governing now. The PNM has a tough job ahead with the price of oil and a volatile economy. Additionally, not having a special majority means that some of their manifesto items (like the local gov't reform) will require UNC help to pass.
Rowley has his work cut out for him - I think one of his biggest challenges is going to controlling his own party as there were some folks in his ranks that were cool on his leadership. I'm curious to see how he selects his cabinet, especially if he gives some of his senior MPs who he has history with (Hinds, Imbert, McDonald, etc.) senior positions.
Post by: Bourbon on September 08, 2015, 08:22:57 AM
To me....I found it SUPER poor that Kamla...after saying she was going Rienzi Complex after her seat was declared...didnt bother to go to even tell her supporters thank you. After all the song and deification and such thats what you would do? But.....to ice the cake....
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20150908/news/kamla8217s-car-breaks-down-after-concession-speech
Quote
HAVING lost the election, Kamla Persad-Bissessar suffered a final indignity this morning, as she prepared to leave her constituency office in Penal where she delivered her concession speech.
The Prime Minister's official car, PM 1, could not start, and had to be towed from the scene shortly after midnight. Persad-Bissessar accepted a ride home with a supporter driving a sub-compact. :rotfl:
Persad-Bissessar, who decided not to go to the party's headquarters at Rienzi Complex, Couva, spoke with members of the media surrounded by a small group of supporters. None were members of her government.
At around 12.01 a.m. this morning the outgoing Prime Minister and political leader of the United National Congress conceded defeat in the 2015 general election.
Post by: kaliman2006 on September 08, 2015, 08:38:25 AM
I hope and pray that Dr. Rowley maintains the spirit of humility and cooperation as he seeks to exercise principled leadership over the affairs of state in Trinidad and Tobago.
Some of the acerbic comments from external sites referenced above signify a need for a move to bring reconciliation and healing to a country under the perennial yoke of various types of social divisions.
I will pray to the Most High that He guides our new Prime Minister in all of his decisions
Post by: asylumseeker on September 08, 2015, 08:42:20 AM
Post by: gawd on pitch on September 08, 2015, 08:43:29 AM
I think you'll find idiots from either party, and if the UNC won, we'd see some dumb posts from the other side.
Elections were easy, the trouble is governing now. The PNM has a tough job ahead with the price of oil and a volatile economy. Additionally, not having a special majority means that some of their manifesto items (like the local gov't reform) will require UNC help to pass.
Rowley has his work cut out for him - I think one of his biggest challenges is going to controlling his own party as there were some folks in his ranks that were cool on his leadership. I'm curious to see how he selects his cabinet, especially if he gives some of his senior MPs who he has history with (Hinds, Imbert, McDonald, etc.) senior positions.
I have been reading many comments on Social Media. It's sad how politics divides us.
When the PPP won in 2011, I can't recall seeing the same type of racist comments from PNM supporters. I could be wrong.. but I don't recall seeing anything like I am seeing today
Post by: FF on September 08, 2015, 08:50:29 AM
Post by: asylumseeker on September 08, 2015, 08:53:32 AM
How did Amery Browne come to be discarded from his Diego constituency?He fall in with the rumoured culling of supposed manning loyalists during the candidate selection process.......
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-04-29/no-plot-kick-out-browne
Hmmm. Nah, doh take it personal. Watap!!!
Post by: kaliman2006 on September 08, 2015, 08:53:51 AM
Because PNM supporters actually voted against Manning last elections. Think about it.
Yep; many PNM folks voted for the Partnership in significant numbers, resulting in the comprehensive margin of victory for the Partnership in the 2010 elections.
Many Partnership supporters accusing the PNM of racism in their voting patterns seem to have developed a convenient case of amnesia.
Post by: asylumseeker on September 08, 2015, 08:54:22 AM
Because PNM supporters actually voted against Manning last elections. Think about it.
Nuff said.
Post by: davyjenny1 on September 08, 2015, 09:01:27 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/uE1S360mRsA
Post by: Socapro on September 08, 2015, 09:09:26 AM
I think you'll find idiots from either party, and if the UNC won, we'd see some dumb posts from the other side.
Elections were easy, the trouble is governing now. The PNM has a tough job ahead with the price of oil and a volatile economy. Additionally, not having a special majority means that some of their manifesto items (like the local gov't reform) will require UNC help to pass.
Rowley has his work cut out for him - I think one of his biggest challenges is going to controlling his own party as there were some folks in his ranks that were cool on his leadership. I'm curious to see how he selects his cabinet, especially if he gives some of his senior MPs who he has history with (Hinds, Imbert, McDonald, etc.) senior positions.
I have been reading many comments on Social Media. It's sad how politics divides us.
When the PPP won in 2011, I can't recall seeing the same type of racist comments from PNM supporters. I could be wrong.. but I don't recall seeing anything like I am seeing today
Many PNM suupporters were happy with the results in 2010 because they voted for the PP.
PNM supporters are willing to shift their votes and give another party a chance if they believe that there is corruption in their party.
UNC supporters don't shift regardless of how corrupt they know that their party is behaving in government.
Post by: lefty on September 08, 2015, 09:22:27 AM
Why I said supposedHow did Amery Browne come to be discarded from his Diego constituency?He fall in with the rumoured culling of supposed manning loyalists during the candidate selection process.......
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-04-29/no-plot-kick-out-browne
Hmmm. Nah, doh take it personal. Watap!!!
Post by: asylumseeker on September 08, 2015, 09:31:21 AM
Why I said supposedHow did Amery Browne come to be discarded from his Diego constituency?He fall in with the rumoured culling of supposed manning loyalists during the candidate selection process.......
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-04-29/no-plot-kick-out-browne
Hmmm. Nah, doh take it personal. Watap!!!
The article doh mean yuh wrong.
Post by: R45 on September 08, 2015, 09:54:54 AM
Many PNM suupporters were happy with the results in 2010 because they voted for the PP.
PNM supporters are willing to shift their votes and give another party a chance if they believe that there is corruption in their party.
UNC supporters don't shift regardless of how corrupt they know that their party is behaving in government.
Don't be ridiculous man. Both the UNC and PNM have their tribal/loyal support. Both parties have a more moderate support base that swings. In 2010, the more moderate PNM support swung to the PP (the PNM still got 285k votes in 2010 despite Manning's unpopularity). In 2007, many of the moderate UNC supporters voted the COP (largely a vote against Panday). In that year, the UNC got 194k votes while the COP get 148k). Both the PNM and UNC have a loyal following of at least 150-175k that vote for their respective parties regardless of how the government performs.
Even the lowest of lows of the PNM (1986 election), the PNM still received 183k votes or 32% of the vote.
Post by: gawd on pitch on September 08, 2015, 09:56:57 AM
I think you'll find idiots from either party, and if the UNC won, we'd see some dumb posts from the other side.
Elections were easy, the trouble is governing now. The PNM has a tough job ahead with the price of oil and a volatile economy. Additionally, not having a special majority means that some of their manifesto items (like the local gov't reform) will require UNC help to pass.
Rowley has his work cut out for him - I think one of his biggest challenges is going to controlling his own party as there were some folks in his ranks that were cool on his leadership. I'm curious to see how he selects his cabinet, especially if he gives some of his senior MPs who he has history with (Hinds, Imbert, McDonald, etc.) senior positions.
I have been reading many comments on Social Media. It's sad how politics divides us.
When the PPP won in 2011, I can't recall seeing the same type of racist comments from PNM supporters. I could be wrong.. but I don't recall seeing anything like I am seeing today
Many PNM suupporters were happy with the results in 2010 because they voted for the PP.
PNM supporters are willing to shift their votes and give another party a chance if they believe that there is corruption in their party.
UNC supporters don't shift regardless of how corrupt they know that their party is behaving in government.
That is a good point Soca. The UNC supporters aren't concerned about the candidates platforms.. After reading some comments online, many of the UNC supporters were more concerned about voting for the candidate with the straighter hair. I know this does not apply to all.
I read a comment on the UNC Facebook page that called for the "UNC " supporters to raise the price on doubles and roti. I also read a comment that said taxes are going to go up because "we" own all the land and property. I know this is coming from a small minority and not all "UNC" supporters feel that way..
Post by: Deeks on September 08, 2015, 10:04:08 AM
Post by: asylumseeker on September 08, 2015, 10:08:26 AM
Carlton: I do not understand why the talk about T&T is not an ATM machine still occupies my thought."
Response referring to the outgoing PM: :yellowcard: "Right now she card and all stick! lol"
From the Comments section of The Stabroek News article "PNM sweeps to victory in Trinidad":
When will Guyana become like T&T. The people of Guyana should take a look and see that the voting is not along ethnic or racial lines. The people of that twin-island republic is (sic) a prime example of voting on issues and not race.
"Sorry Kamla, you should have paid those CLICO shareholders you accuse of holding you to ransom."
"Now roll up de tassa for Ms. Bissessar."
"Most startling for me was that the polls closed at 7pm and four hours later, Trinidad had declared a winner. Unlike Guyana, which took about five days because we still have mules that have to cross over mountains and rivers in order to deliver ballots from the hinterland. ... Congrats to Mr. Rowley and the PNM. "
Post by: ribbit on September 08, 2015, 10:33:54 AM
Post by: Michael-j on September 08, 2015, 11:00:44 AM
is this the first time the winning party of the election did not also capture the popular vote?
In 2007 the PNM won the elections after securing just under 300,000 votes. However, the COP and UNC combined amounted to over 350,000. Results will show that the PNM was the party with the most votes, but over 50% of the voting population were opposed to them.
Some years earlier when there was the famous 18-18 split, the president decided that the PNM should form the next government even though they secured less votes than the incumbent UNC.
Post by: weary1969 on September 08, 2015, 11:42:32 AM
I think you'll find idiots from either party, and if the UNC won, we'd see some dumb posts from the other side.
Elections were easy, the trouble is governing now. The PNM has a tough job ahead with the price of oil and a volatile economy. Additionally, not having a special majority means that some of their manifesto items (like the local gov't reform) will require UNC help to pass.
Rowley has his work cut out for him - I think one of his biggest challenges is going to controlling his own party as there were some folks in his ranks that were cool on his leadership. I'm curious to see how he selects his cabinet, especially if he gives some of his senior MPs who he has history with (Hinds, Imbert, McDonald, etc.) senior positions.
I have been reading many comments on Social Media. It's sad how politics divides us.
When the PPP won in 2011, I can't recall seeing the same type of racist comments from PNM supporters. I could be wrong.. but I don't recall seeing anything like I am seeing today
Exactly PNM supporters do not behave like those racist Central Indians. As for Sanko safe seat does be for the cabal. They only give Rodney 1 because he threaten to join Gypsy and it would have looked like the bunch of racist that they are.
Post by: weary1969 on September 08, 2015, 11:43:51 AM
is this the first time the winning party of the election did not also capture the popular vote?
In 2007 the PNM won the elections after securing just under 300,000 votes. However, the COP and UNC combined amounted to over 350,000. Results will show that the PNM was the party with the most votes, but over 50% of the voting population were opposed to them.
Some years earlier when there was the famous 18-18 split, the president decided that the PNM should form the next government even though they secured less votes than the incumbent UNC.
Yes because the PNM gained seats while the UNC lost seats.
Post by: weary1969 on September 08, 2015, 11:44:58 AM
Many PNM suupporters were happy with the results in 2010 because they voted for the PP.
PNM supporters are willing to shift their votes and give another party a chance if they believe that there is corruption in their party.
UNC supporters don't shift regardless of how corrupt they know that their party is behaving in government.
Don't be ridiculous man. Both the UNC and PNM have their tribal/loyal support. Both parties have a more moderate support base that swings. In 2010, the more moderate PNM support swung to the PP (the PNM still got 285k votes in 2010 despite Manning's unpopularity). In 2007, many of the moderate UNC supporters voted the COP (largely a vote against Panday). In that year, the UNC got 194k votes while the COP get 148k). Both the PNM and UNC have a loyal following of at least 150-175k that vote for their respective parties regardless of how the government performs.
Even the lowest of lows of the PNM (1986 election), the PNM still received 183k votes or 32% of the vote.
Moderate UNC is who Panday does call knife and folk Indian.
Post by: Socapro on September 08, 2015, 12:13:34 PM
Many PNM suupporters were happy with the results in 2010 because they voted for the PP.
PNM supporters are willing to shift their votes and give another party a chance if they believe that there is corruption in their party.
UNC supporters don't shift regardless of how corrupt they know that their party is behaving in government.
Don't be ridiculous man. Both the UNC and PNM have their tribal/loyal support. Both parties have a more moderate support base that swings. In 2010, the more moderate PNM support swung to the PP (the PNM still got 285k votes in 2010 despite Manning's unpopularity). In 2007, many of the moderate UNC supporters voted the COP (largely a vote against Panday). In that year, the UNC got 194k votes while the COP get 148k). Both the PNM and UNC have a loyal following of at least 150-175k that vote for their respective parties regardless of how the government performs.
Even the lowest of lows of the PNM (1986 election), the PNM still received 183k votes or 32% of the vote.
The fact that the PNM was decimated in 2010 because of a perception of corruption while the UNC which has had 100 times more corrupt in the last 5 years gain votes and seats in 2015 proves my point.
Remember in 2010 the UNC won 15 seats while this time round they won 18 (an increase of 3 seats) despite all the clear corruption.
Argument done.
Post by: fari on September 08, 2015, 12:31:16 PM
Post by: weary1969 on September 08, 2015, 12:34:45 PM
Kamla ent even send a text message/whatsapp/fax to Dr. Rowley offering congrats self???
What all yuh expect. After he has the stinkiest mouth in the Caribbean.
Post by: Michael-j on September 08, 2015, 12:34:55 PM
Many PNM suupporters were happy with the results in 2010 because they voted for the PP.
PNM supporters are willing to shift their votes and give another party a chance if they believe that there is corruption in their party.
UNC supporters don't shift regardless of how corrupt they know that their party is behaving in government.
Don't be ridiculous man. Both the UNC and PNM have their tribal/loyal support. Both parties have a more moderate support base that swings. In 2010, the more moderate PNM support swung to the PP (the PNM still got 285k votes in 2010 despite Manning's unpopularity). In 2007, many of the moderate UNC supporters voted the COP (largely a vote against Panday). In that year, the UNC got 194k votes while the COP get 148k). Both the PNM and UNC have a loyal following of at least 150-175k that vote for their respective parties regardless of how the government performs.
Even the lowest of lows of the PNM (1986 election), the PNM still received 183k votes or 32% of the vote.
The fact that the PNM was decimated in 2010 because of a perception of corruption while the UNC which has had 100 times more corrupt in the last 5 years gain votes and seats in 2015 proves my point.
Remember in 2010 the UNC won 15 seats while this time round they won 18 (an increase of 3 seats) despite all the clear corruption.
Argument done.
The UNC won 21 seats in 2010.
Post by: Socapro on September 08, 2015, 12:35:01 PM
I would like to congratulate Prime Minister-Elect Keith Christopher Rowley, his family and the entire PNM organization on a successful campaign. As Dr. Rowley stated in his speech, there is the need for the entire country to be unified as we attempt to tackle serious political, economic and social issues.
I hope and pray that Dr. Rowley maintains the spirit of humility and cooperation as he seeks to exercise principled leadership over the affairs of state in Trinidad and Tobago.
Some of the acerbic comments from external sites referenced above signify a need for a move to bring reconciliation and healing to a country under the perennial yoke of various types of social divisions.
I will pray to the Most High that He guides our new Prime Minister in all of his decisions
Amen! :praying:
Post by: Socapro on September 08, 2015, 12:35:43 PM
Many PNM suupporters were happy with the results in 2010 because they voted for the PP.
PNM supporters are willing to shift their votes and give another party a chance if they believe that there is corruption in their party.
UNC supporters don't shift regardless of how corrupt they know that their party is behaving in government.
Don't be ridiculous man. Both the UNC and PNM have their tribal/loyal support. Both parties have a more moderate support base that swings. In 2010, the more moderate PNM support swung to the PP (the PNM still got 285k votes in 2010 despite Manning's unpopularity). In 2007, many of the moderate UNC supporters voted the COP (largely a vote against Panday). In that year, the UNC got 194k votes while the COP get 148k). Both the PNM and UNC have a loyal following of at least 150-175k that vote for their respective parties regardless of how the government performs.
Even the lowest of lows of the PNM (1986 election), the PNM still received 183k votes or 32% of the vote.
The fact that the PNM was decimated in 2010 because of a perception of corruption while the UNC which has had 100 times more corrupt in the last 5 years gain votes and seats in 2015 proves my point.
Remember in 2010 the UNC won 15 seats while this time round they won 18 (an increase of 3 seats) despite all the clear corruption.
Argument done.
The UNC won 21 seats in 2010.
Nope the PP won 21 seats in 2010. I believe the UNC won 15 of those.
Post by: Michael-j on September 08, 2015, 12:39:32 PM
Many PNM suupporters were happy with the results in 2010 because they voted for the PP.
PNM supporters are willing to shift their votes and give another party a chance if they believe that there is corruption in their party.
UNC supporters don't shift regardless of how corrupt they know that their party is behaving in government.
Don't be ridiculous man. Both the UNC and PNM have their tribal/loyal support. Both parties have a more moderate support base that swings. In 2010, the more moderate PNM support swung to the PP (the PNM still got 285k votes in 2010 despite Manning's unpopularity). In 2007, many of the moderate UNC supporters voted the COP (largely a vote against Panday). In that year, the UNC got 194k votes while the COP get 148k). Both the PNM and UNC have a loyal following of at least 150-175k that vote for their respective parties regardless of how the government performs.
Even the lowest of lows of the PNM (1986 election), the PNM still received 183k votes or 32% of the vote.
The fact that the PNM was decimated in 2010 because of a perception of corruption while the UNC which has had 100 times more corrupt in the last 5 years gain votes and seats in 2015 proves my point.
Remember in 2010 the UNC won 15 seats while this time round they won 18 (an increase of 3 seats) despite all the clear corruption.
Argument done.
The UNC won 21 seats in 2010.
Nope the PP won 21 seats. I believe the UNC won 15 of those.
PP won 29...unc 21...cop 6....top 2
Post by: Socapro on September 08, 2015, 12:44:14 PM
Many PNM suupporters were happy with the results in 2010 because they voted for the PP.
PNM supporters are willing to shift their votes and give another party a chance if they believe that there is corruption in their party.
UNC supporters don't shift regardless of how corrupt they know that their party is behaving in government.
Don't be ridiculous man. Both the UNC and PNM have their tribal/loyal support. Both parties have a more moderate support base that swings. In 2010, the more moderate PNM support swung to the PP (the PNM still got 285k votes in 2010 despite Manning's unpopularity). In 2007, many of the moderate UNC supporters voted the COP (largely a vote against Panday). In that year, the UNC got 194k votes while the COP get 148k). Both the PNM and UNC have a loyal following of at least 150-175k that vote for their respective parties regardless of how the government performs.
Even the lowest of lows of the PNM (1986 election), the PNM still received 183k votes or 32% of the vote.
The fact that the PNM was decimated in 2010 because of a perception of corruption while the UNC which has had 100 times more corrupt in the last 5 years gain votes and seats in 2015 proves my point.
Remember in 2010 the UNC won 15 seats while this time round they won 18 (an increase of 3 seats) despite all the clear corruption.
Argument done.
The UNC won 21 seats in 2010.
Nope the PP won 21 seats. I believe the UNC won 15 of those.
PP won 29...unc 21...cop 6....top 2
Ok cool. Just double checked to confirm.
I am sure the analysis on TV6 last night showed that UNC won 15 votes back in 2010.
Maybe they were referring back to another elections year result for comparison.
Post by: Michael-j on September 08, 2015, 12:47:27 PM
Many PNM suupporters were happy with the results in 2010 because they voted for the PP.
PNM supporters are willing to shift their votes and give another party a chance if they believe that there is corruption in their party.
UNC supporters don't shift regardless of how corrupt they know that their party is behaving in government.
Don't be ridiculous man. Both the UNC and PNM have their tribal/loyal support. Both parties have a more moderate support base that swings. In 2010, the more moderate PNM support swung to the PP (the PNM still got 285k votes in 2010 despite Manning's unpopularity). In 2007, many of the moderate UNC supporters voted the COP (largely a vote against Panday). In that year, the UNC got 194k votes while the COP get 148k). Both the PNM and UNC have a loyal following of at least 150-175k that vote for their respective parties regardless of how the government performs.
Even the lowest of lows of the PNM (1986 election), the PNM still received 183k votes or 32% of the vote.
The fact that the PNM was decimated in 2010 because of a perception of corruption while the UNC which has had 100 times more corrupt in the last 5 years gain votes and seats in 2015 proves my point.
Remember in 2010 the UNC won 15 seats while this time round they won 18 (an increase of 3 seats) despite all the clear corruption.
Argument done.
The UNC won 21 seats in 2010.
Nope the PP won 21 seats. I believe the UNC won 15 of those.
PP won 29...unc 21...cop 6....top 2
Ok cool. Just double checked to confirm.
I am sure the analysis on TV6 last night showed that UNC won 15 votes back in 2010.
Maybe they were referring back to another elections year result for comparison.
They won 15 seats in 2007.
Post by: asylumseeker on September 08, 2015, 12:51:46 PM
Post by: Socapro on September 08, 2015, 12:52:28 PM
Many PNM suupporters were happy with the results in 2010 because they voted for the PP.
PNM supporters are willing to shift their votes and give another party a chance if they believe that there is corruption in their party.
UNC supporters don't shift regardless of how corrupt they know that their party is behaving in government.
Don't be ridiculous man. Both the UNC and PNM have their tribal/loyal support. Both parties have a more moderate support base that swings. In 2010, the more moderate PNM support swung to the PP (the PNM still got 285k votes in 2010 despite Manning's unpopularity). In 2007, many of the moderate UNC supporters voted the COP (largely a vote against Panday). In that year, the UNC got 194k votes while the COP get 148k). Both the PNM and UNC have a loyal following of at least 150-175k that vote for their respective parties regardless of how the government performs.
Even the lowest of lows of the PNM (1986 election), the PNM still received 183k votes or 32% of the vote.
The fact that the PNM was decimated in 2010 because of a perception of corruption while the UNC which has had 100 times more corrupt in the last 5 years gain votes and seats in 2015 proves my point.
Remember in 2010 the UNC won 15 seats while this time round they won 18 (an increase of 3 seats) despite all the clear corruption.
Argument done.
The UNC won 21 seats in 2010.
Nope the PP won 21 seats. I believe the UNC won 15 of those.
PP won 29...unc 21...cop 6....top 2
Ok cool. Just double checked to confirm.
I am sure the analysis on TV6 last night showed that UNC won 15 votes back in 2010.
Maybe they were referring back to another elections year result for comparison.
They won 15 seats in 2007.
Yeah I just realised that I misread the election year they were referring back to for comparison.
With that in mind R45 point does hold some weight so there is hope for T&T afterall.
The fact that the UNC lost 3 seats due to their bad behaviour in office does indicate that some UNC voters may have shifted support away from UNC in 2015 like many PNM voters did from the PNM back in 2010.
Post by: Socapro on September 08, 2015, 12:55:08 PM
Has the formal transition from PM-elect to PM occurred? If so, when?
I believe that it is taking place tomorrow at 1:30pm.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20150908/news/rowley-and-ag-to-be-sworn-at-130pm-wednesday
Post by: asylumseeker on September 08, 2015, 01:09:27 PM
Has the formal transition from PM-elect to PM occurred? If so, when?
I believe that it is taking place tomorrow at 1:30pm.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20150908/news/rowley-and-ag-to-be-sworn-at-130pm-wednesday
Much obliged.
Post by: R45 on September 08, 2015, 01:41:51 PM
The fact that the PNM was decimated in 2010 because of a perception of corruption while the UNC which has had 100 times more corrupt in the last 5 years gain votes and seats in 2015 proves my point.
Remember in 2010 the UNC won 15 seats while this time round they won 18 (an increase of 3 seats) despite all the clear corruption.
Argument done.
Not really bro. Corruption is a perception since it is difficult to quantify who is "more" corrupt. Frankly outside of the 1986-1991 government (which is likely the most corrupt we've seen since independence), all the others are comparable and debatable. You are going on the premise that UNC voters saw the PP gov't as being very corrupt. I suspect though, based on sentiments I gather, that the UNC/PP lost support moreso due to the scandals and incompetence rather than corruption perception. To say that they were more corrupt than the 2007-2010 PNM administration is subjective and an opinion over a clear fact (it could be true, or it could be false - I don't think we'll ever find out as corruption never gets properly prosecuted in this country).
The UNC did not gain seats. The UNC lost 4 seats versus 2010. The only gain was retaking the Chaguanas seat from the 2013 by-election, which they had originally won under Jack in 2010.
Look the whole who is more corrupt is definitely debatable. But the suggestion that the UNC base is more loyal/tribal than the PNM really has no foundation based on election evidence. In the last three decades, both parties have held on to a base regardless of how unpopular their government is.
There is one difference between the two parties though - if you look at voter turnout, some of the UNC core constituencies consistently get a higher voter turnout than PNM areas. Several UNC core areas (such as Couva, Fyzabad, Chaguanas, Oropuche) consistently get a higher than average vote turnout compared to the overall amount - these constituencies have seen turnouts in the 70-75% for the last several elections versus the national average being in the 60% range.
Conversely, the PNM stronghold areas like Laventille, POS, and Diego Martin have seen below national average turnouts year to year, even in the years when the PNM is very popular (like 2007). Laventille often dips below a 50% turnout when the national averages are in the mid 60%. That is a big factor why the UNC always does well in the popular vote. If you look at statistics from every election, the lowest 10 constituencies in voter turnout are almost always PNM strongholds.
Post by: Sando prince on September 08, 2015, 03:59:59 PM
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Post by: Michael-j on September 08, 2015, 04:03:48 PM
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Can you imagine Rodney Charles making a speech in parliament? And Padarath??...oh my ....
I don't think they ever envisioned being opposition MPs.
Post by: Sando prince on September 08, 2015, 09:31:19 PM
What is the official final count?
Post by: mukumsplau on September 08, 2015, 11:02:22 PM
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Post by: Bourbon on September 09, 2015, 04:47:02 AM
She last official lie as PM!
Post by: grimm01 on September 09, 2015, 07:30:27 AM
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
She last official lie as PM!
Maybe she wanted a final ride in the helicopter? The least she coulda do was go and take one last vomit in the car for old times sake.
Post by: Sando prince on September 09, 2015, 07:59:04 AM
So PNM has won the popular vote.
PNM= 334,016.
UNC= 310,370.
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Post by: Deeks on September 09, 2015, 09:25:56 AM
Post by: Sando prince on September 09, 2015, 09:42:09 AM
this incident with KB and the Special Branch does not look good. It is serious breach of protocol. I don't know who to blame here. Should the Special Branch be blame or is Mrs. KB the culprit? If something, God forbid, had happened to her on the way to Siparia, I think the Special Branch would have had to answer questions as to what had transpired. The fact that Mr. Rowley is being sworn in while she just lost her position as PM, make the appearance of no one in charge. Any clarifications on this, forum?
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Post by: weary1969 on September 09, 2015, 09:44:10 AM
this incident with KB and the Special Branch does not look good. It is serious breach of protocol. I don't know who to blame here. Should the Special Branch be blame or is Mrs. KB the culprit? If something, God forbid, had happened to her on the way to Siparia, I think the Special Branch would have had to answer questions as to what had transpired. The fact that Mr. Rowley is being sworn in while she just lost her position as PM, make the appearance of no one in charge. Any clarifications on this, forum?
If something had happened Special Branch would have been blamed and rightly so. If the drunken weed smoking PM refuse to go in the vehicle they could not force her. The most they could have done was drive behind her and insured that she reached home. They should also continue to provide security until 130 pm today even if this means having a police vehicle parked outside the house of ill repute. Then at that time say THANK YOU JESUS and leave.
Post by: de_redman on September 09, 2015, 10:38:24 AM
www.otp.tt
Post by: mukumsplau on September 09, 2015, 10:41:02 AM
this incident with KB and the Special Branch does not look good. It is serious breach of protocol. I don't know who to blame here. Should the Special Branch be blame or is Mrs. KB the culprit? If something, God forbid, had happened to her on the way to Siparia, I think the Special Branch would have had to answer questions as to what had transpired. The fact that Mr. Rowley is being sworn in while she just lost her position as PM, make the appearance of no one in charge. Any clarifications on this, forum?
If something had happened Special Branch would have been blamed and rightly so. If the drunken weed smoking PM refuse to go in the vehicle they could not force her. The most they could have done was drive behind her and insured that she reached home. They should also continue to provide security until 130 pm today even if this means having a police vehicle parked outside the house of ill repute. Then at that time say THANK YOU JESUS and leave.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
was a hard 5 years for special branch lol
Post by: weary1969 on September 09, 2015, 10:49:32 AM
this incident with KB and the Special Branch does not look good. It is serious breach of protocol. I don't know who to blame here. Should the Special Branch be blame or is Mrs. KB the culprit? If something, God forbid, had happened to her on the way to Siparia, I think the Special Branch would have had to answer questions as to what had transpired. The fact that Mr. Rowley is being sworn in while she just lost her position as PM, make the appearance of no one in charge. Any clarifications on this, forum?
If something had happened Special Branch would have been blamed and rightly so. If the drunken weed smoking PM refuse to go in the vehicle they could not force her. The most they could have done was drive behind her and insured that she reached home. They should also continue to provide security until 130 pm today even if this means having a police vehicle parked outside the house of ill repute. Then at that time say THANK YOU JESUS and leave.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
was a hard 5 years for special branch lol
If you only know.
Post by: R45 on September 09, 2015, 11:03:32 AM
So PNM has won the popular vote.
PNM= 334,016.
UNC= 310,370.
(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/11040960_10152926287201571_5932467622236925997_n.jpg?oh=f051a130f0775b81b3af588e6182b245&oe=565F4B59)
Some of these numbers aren't adding up. The Diego Martin North and West seats had several independent candidates running, and I recall (at least on the TV6 broadcast) they got a couple votes. On that spreadsheet it shows no votes at all. Not like it has an impact to overall result, but something is wrong with those numbers.
Post by: Bakes on September 09, 2015, 11:37:24 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVzrm-_yzX4
Post by: kaliman2006 on September 09, 2015, 11:51:12 AM
Swearing in Ceremony live stream:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVzrm-_yzX4
Thank you for the link
Post by: MEP on September 09, 2015, 11:51:49 AM
How did Amery Browne come to be discarded from his Diego constituency?He fall in with the rumoured culling of supposed manning loyalists during the candidate selection process.......
Bullcrap.....there were two occasions where he left the country without informing the leader of the party and on both occasions there were important matters that had to be voted on in Parliament.
Post by: MEP on September 09, 2015, 12:13:55 PM
The fact that the PNM was decimated in 2010 because of a perception of corruption while the UNC which has had 100 times more corrupt in the last 5 years gain votes and seats in 2015 proves my point.
Remember in 2010 the UNC won 15 seats while this time round they won 18 (an increase of 3 seats) despite all the clear corruption.
Argument done.
Not really bro. Corruption is a perception since it is difficult to quantify who is "more" corrupt. Frankly outside of the 1986-1991 government (which is likely the most corrupt we've seen since independence), all the others are comparable and debatable. You are going on the premise that UNC voters saw the PP gov't as being very corrupt. I suspect though, based on sentiments I gather, that the UNC/PP lost support moreso due to the scandals and incompetence rather than corruption perception. To say that they were more corrupt than the 2007-2010 PNM administration is subjective and an opinion over a clear fact (it could be true, or it could be false - I don't think we'll ever find out as corruption never gets properly prosecuted in this country).
The UNC did not gain seats. The UNC lost 4 seats versus 2010. The only gain was retaking the Chaguanas seat from the 2013 by-election, which they had originally won under Jack in 2010.
Look the whole who is more corrupt is definitely debatable. But the suggestion that the UNC base is more loyal/tribal than the PNM really has no foundation based on election evidence. In the last three decades, both parties have held on to a base regardless of how unpopular their government is.
There is one difference between the two parties though - if you look at voter turnout, some of the UNC core constituencies consistently get a higher voter turnout than PNM areas. Several UNC core areas (such as Couva, Fyzabad, Chaguanas, Oropuche) consistently get a higher than average vote turnout compared to the overall amount - these constituencies have seen turnouts in the 70-75% for the last several elections versus the national average being in the 60% range.
Conversely, the PNM stronghold areas like Laventille, POS, and Diego Martin have seen below national average turnouts year to year, even in the years when the PNM is very popular (like 2007). Laventille often dips below a 50% turnout when the national averages are in the mid 60%. That is a big factor why the UNC always does well in the popular vote. If you look at statistics from every election, the lowest 10 constituencies in voter turnout are almost always PNM strongholds.
this incident with KB and the Special Branch does not look good. It is serious breach of protocol. I don't know who to blame here. Should the Special Branch be blame or is Mrs. KB the culprit? If something, God forbid, had happened to her on the way to Siparia, I think the Special Branch would have had to answer questions as to what had transpired. The fact that Mr. Rowley is being sworn in while she just lost her position as PM, make the appearance of no one in charge. Any clarifications on this, forum?
If something had happened Special Branch would have been blamed and rightly so. If the drunken weed smoking PM refuse to go in the vehicle they could not force her. The most they could have done was drive behind her and insured that she reached home. They should also continue to provide security until 130 pm today even if this means having a police vehicle parked outside the house of ill repute. Then at that time say THANK YOU JESUS and leave.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
was a hard 5 years for special branch lol
Forres Park insiders tell me that was their code name for her
Post by: MEP on September 09, 2015, 01:08:22 PM
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Not really bro. Corruption is a perception since it is difficult to quantify who is "more" corrupt. Frankly outside of the 1986-1991 government (which is likely the most corrupt we've seen since independence), all the others are comparable and debatable.
How can corruption be a perception??? when never in the history of Trinidad and Tobago has a government spent 400 billion dollars in 5 years.
How can you say it's a perception when a company with ties to the gov't receives 1 billion dollars to build roads but has to outsource contracts because they don't have the capabilities
When a PM leaves Parliament Thursday and doesn't return till the following Wednesday...who was actually running the gov't
When a man gets a check for millions of dollars for lifesport but doesn't do one thing...how could that be perception
Should I continue???
Post by: Socapro on September 09, 2015, 01:41:46 PM
PNM= 334,016.
UNC= 310,370.
This probably means that PNM voters in the PNM strongholds came out and voted in much higher numbers than usual.
Normally PNM stronghold voters average around a 50% turnout while UNC stronghold voters average a 75% turnout but I suspect that for these 2015 elections the PNM stronghold voters averaged at least a 70% turnout meaning that finally young Black people in PNM stronghold areas like Laventille came out in high numbers to vote.
See details below.
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(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p12/Socapro/TampT%20Elections%202015%20Voting%20figures.jpg) (http://s124.photobucket.com/user/Socapro/media/TampT%20Elections%202015%20Voting%20figures.jpg.html)
Full list of Members of Parliament:
ARIMA Anthony Garcia (PNM)
AROUCA/MALONEY Camille Robinson-Regis (PNM)
BARATARIA/SAN JUAN Fuad Khan (UNC/PP)
CARONI CENTRAL Bhoe Tewarie (UNC/PP)
CARONI EAST Tim Gopeesingh (UNC/PP)
CHAGUANAS EAST Fazal Karim (UNC/PP)
CHAGUANAS WEST Ganga Singh (UNC/PP)
COUVA NORTH Ramona Ramdial (UNC/PP)
COUVA SOUTH Rudranath Indarsingh (UNC/PP)
CUMUTO/MANZANILLA Christine Newallo-Hosein (UNC/PP)
D'ABADIE/O'MEARA Ancil Antoine (PNM)
DIEGO MARTIN CENTRAL Darryl Smith (PNM)
DIEGO MARTIN NORTH/EAST Colm Imbert (PNM)
DIEGO MARTIN WEST Keith Rowley (PNM)
FYZABAD Lackram Bodoe (UNC/PP)
LA BREA Nicole Olliviere (PNM)
LA HORQUETTA/ TALPARO Maxie Cuffie (UNC/PP)
LAVENTILLE EAST/ MORVANT Adrian Leonce (PNM)
LAVENTILLE WEST Fitzgerald Hinds (PNM)
LOPINOT/BON AIR WEST Cherrie-Ann Crichlow-Cockburn (PNM)
MAYARO Rushton Paray (UNC/PP)
MORUGA/TABLELAND Lovell Francis (PNM)
NAPARIMA Rodney Charles (UNC/PP)
OROPOUCHE EAST Roodal Moonilal (UNC/PP)
OROPOUCHE WEST Vidia Gayadeen-Gopeesingh (UNC/PP)
POINT FORTIN Edmund Dillion (PNM)
POINTE-A-PIERRE David Lee (UNC/PP)
PORT-OF-SPAIN NORTH/ ST.ANNS WEST Stuart Young (PNM)
PORT-OF-SPAIN SOUTH Marlene McDonald (PNM)
PRINCES TOWN Barry Padarath (UNC/PP)
SAN FERNANDO EAST Randall Mitchell (PNM)
SAN FERNANDO WEST Faris Al-Rawi (PNM)
SIPARIA Kamla Persad-Bissessar (UNC/PP)
ST ANNS EAST Nyan Gadbsy-Dolly (PNM)
ST AUGUSTINE Prakash Ramadhar (COP/PP)
ST JOSEPH Terrence Deyalsingh (PNM)
TABAQUITE Surujrattan Rambachan (UNC/PP)
TOBAGO EAST Ayanna Webster Roy (PNM)
TOBAGO WEST Shamfa Cudjoe (PNM)
TOCO/ SANGRE GRANDE Glenda Jennings-Smith (PNM)
TUNAPUNA Esmond Forde (PNM)
Post by: Socapro on September 09, 2015, 01:47:30 PM
QuoteNot really bro. Corruption is a perception since it is difficult to quantify who is "more" corrupt. Frankly outside of the 1986-1991 government (which is likely the most corrupt we've seen since independence), all the others are comparable and debatable.
How can corruption be a perception??? when never in the history of Trinidad and Tobago has a government spent 400 billion dollars in 5 years.
How can you say it's a perception when a company with ties to the gov't receives 1 billion dollars to build roads but has to outsource contracts because they don't have the capabilities
When a PM leaves Parliament Thursday and doesn't return till the following Wednesday...who was actually running the gov't
When a man gets a check for millions of dollars for lifesport but doesn't do one thing...how could that be perception
Should I continue???
I realised that R45 must be a typical blind UNC supporter when he replied to me with that drivle about corruption being a perception.
Just couldn't be bothered to argue with him. Thought I'd just allow him to continue drinking that koolade if he likes but I am not drinking.
Post by: R45 on September 09, 2015, 01:49:48 PM
How can corruption be a perception??? when never in the history of Trinidad and Tobago has a government spent 400 billion dollars in 5 years.Just to be clear, if you want to quote me, put it in context. My perception comment is that they are perceived to be more corrupt than other corrupt governments we've had.
1. Are you saying every cent spent in the last 5 years were corrupt? I don't think even the PP's biggest detractors suggest that.
2. Inflation adjusted, the PP's budget spending isn't that far off from previous administrations. In 2009/2010 (the last PNM budget), there was a revenue projection $36B TTD and and spending of $46B TTD. In 2015 numbers, adjusted for inflation, that would be $54B TTD and $69B TTD respectively. If they ran those numbers every year for 5 years, you would have had around $350 B TTD spent over 5 years, with $75B TTD of debt. Anyway my point is 400B TTD is a lot of money but using that number alone without context doesn't really mean much.
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How can you say it's a perception when a company with ties to the gov't receives 1 billion dollars to build roads but has to outsource contracts because they don't have the capabilitiesBecause it's not the first billion dollar corruption scandal we've had. The Piarco airport was a billion dollar scandal, and in today's dollars it's a multi-billion scandal. The UDECOTT contracts were billion dollar scandals. It's not the first, and probably won't be the last unfortunately.
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When a PM leaves Parliament Thursday and doesn't return till the following Wednesday...who was actually running the gov'tPeople who forget our history are doomed to repeat it. Kamla was not the first prime minister to be accused of bizarre behaviour.
Do people not forget Manning's relationship with Julia Pena - that she was giving him "spiritual advice" on government matters (and he used gov't resources to find her multi-million dollar church).
Eric Williams was accused of disappearing for weeks at a time to write books, where even senior members of his cabinet could not reach him for days. He'd remain at home and not venture out to his office for a week or two at a time, which created chaos for the folks around him.
I absolutely agree that Kamla had bizarre behaviour though.
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When a man gets a check for millions of dollars for lifesport but doesn't do one thing...how could that be perceptionAgain (theme) not the first time. We've had scandals upon scandals of people collecting money from gov't programs like scholarships during both the PNM/UNC administrations pre-2010, ghost workers in state companies, and flat out corrupt bribes.
Post by: R45 on September 09, 2015, 01:53:21 PM
I realised that R45 must be a typical blind UNC supporter when he replied to me with that drivle about corruption being a perception.No it's more that some of you people just are choosing to read what you want, and are blinded by partisanship to critically look at issues within the context of our long history. I wasn't a fan of the PP, but most of their shit was done by previous administrations. That doesn't excuse their actions, but you can't look at things in isolation when you're voting back in people that did the same shit before.
Just couldn't be bothered to argue with him. Thought I'd just allow him to continue drinking that koolade if he likes but I am not drinking.
I'm a very happy neutral, thank you very much.
Post by: Socapro on September 09, 2015, 01:57:46 PM
I realised that R45 must be a typical blind UNC supporter when he replied to me with that drivle about corruption being a perception.No it's more that some of you people just are choosing to read what you want, and are blinded by partisanship to critically look at issues within the context of our long history. I wasn't a fan of the PP, but most of their shit was done by previous administrations. That doesn't excuse their actions, but you can't look at things in isolation when you're voting back in people that did the same shit before.
Just couldn't be bothered to argue with him. Thought I'd just allow him to continue drinking that koolade if he likes but I am not drinking.
I'm a very happy neutral, thank you very much.
Continue drinking your koolade my friend but every blind man in T&T and his dog knows that the UNC/PP who just got voted out are by leaps and bounds the most corrupt government that T&T has ever seen.
I would respectfully suggest that you offer that koolade you are drinking to someone else.
Post by: R45 on September 09, 2015, 02:02:26 PM
Post by: Bakes on September 09, 2015, 05:21:06 PM
Now they trying to have the election outcome overturned on the grounds that the EBC extended voting by one hour w/o giving them notice.
Post by: mukumsplau on September 09, 2015, 05:36:00 PM
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Post by: Michael-j on September 09, 2015, 05:36:45 PM
These PP lawyers... lol
Now they trying to have the election outcome overturned on the grounds that the EBC extended voting by one hour w/o giving them notice.
Even more ludicrous is their claim that they were comfortably ahead in the polls at 6pm .
Post by: mukumsplau on September 09, 2015, 06:41:30 PM
Post by: asylumseeker on September 09, 2015, 07:28:40 PM
Post by: R45 on September 09, 2015, 07:49:06 PM
Post by: MEP on September 09, 2015, 08:01:40 PM
QuoteNot really bro. Corruption is a perception since it is difficult to quantify who is "more" corrupt. Frankly outside of the 1986-1991 government (which is likely the most corrupt we've seen since independence), all the others are comparable and debatable.
How can corruption be a perception??? when never in the history of Trinidad and Tobago has a government spent 400 billion dollars in 5 years.
How can you say it's a perception when a company with ties to the gov't receives 1 billion dollars to build roads but has to outsource contracts because they don't have the capabilities
When a PM leaves Parliament Thursday and doesn't return till the following Wednesday...who was actually running the gov't
When a man gets a check for millions of dollars for lifesport but doesn't do one thing...how could that be perception
Should I continue???
I realised that R45 must be a typical blind UNC supporter when he replied to me with that drivle about corruption being a perception.
Just couldn't be bothered to argue with him. Thought I'd just allow him to continue drinking that koolade if he likes but I am not drinking.
you know you're right it's that typical sycophantic hmmm or is it sickophantic or psychofantic...anyway they are always purporting to be neutral and looking at facts. Look at the compounded jackassery he is talking now that if numbers were adjusted for inflation.
Post by: R45 on September 09, 2015, 08:17:29 PM
you know you're right it's that typical sycophantic hmmm or is it sickophantic or psychofantic...anyway they are always purporting to be neutral and looking at facts. Look at the compounded jackassery he is talking now that if numbers were adjusted for inflation.
I truly feel sorry for you if you think, when trying to quantify corruption between administrations in a long time span, that using inflation adjustments to directly compare dollar amounts is "jackassery". Inflation isn't rocket science. I think an educated person would consider that common sense, but you're entitled to your opinion.
Post by: Sando prince on September 09, 2015, 09:34:10 PM
So PNM has won the popular vote.
PNM= 334,016.
UNC= 310,370.
(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/11040960_10152926287201571_5932467622236925997_n.jpg?oh=f051a130f0775b81b3af588e6182b245&oe=565F4B59)
Some of these numbers aren't adding up. The Diego Martin North and West seats had several independent candidates running, and I recall (at least on the TV6 broadcast) they got a couple votes. On that spreadsheet it shows no votes at all. Not like it has an impact to overall result, but something is wrong with those numbers.
PNM won 50.76 % of the vote.
http://www.elections.tt
Post by: MEP on September 09, 2015, 10:10:54 PM
you know you're right it's that typical sycophantic hmmm or is it sickophantic or psychofantic...anyway they are always purporting to be neutral and looking at facts. Look at the compounded jackassery he is talking now that if numbers were adjusted for inflation.
I truly feel sorry for you if you think, when trying to quantify corruption between administrations in a long time span, that using inflation adjustments to directly compare dollar amounts is "jackassery". Inflation isn't rocket science. I think an educated person would consider that common sense, but you're entitled to your opinion.
don't feel sorry for me padnah feel sorry for yourself.......
Post by: R45 on September 09, 2015, 11:03:19 PM
PNM won 50.76 % of the vote.Thanks for the link. The numbers on elections.tt (Guardian website) are a little different from the screenshot of the spreadsheet linked earlier, not for the PNM/PP numbers, but for the ILP and others. I was curious how many votes the other parties ended up getting. According to the Guardian site, the ILP got 8,368 votes total, with half coming from Jack's seat. Looks like he would be the only one to get back his deposit for the ILP, or for any of the non PNM/PP candidates for that matter.
http://www.elections.tt
Post by: R45 on September 09, 2015, 11:09:36 PM
don't feel sorry for me padnah feel sorry for yourself.......I won't waste your or my time any further, but just note (or well, actually read) that I'm not denying or excusing PP corruption or incompetence. If that's all you can take from my posts, I hope one day you can see things beyond everything being black or white (or red and yellow I guess).whatwhat you are in denial about is that every facet of the PP gov't was corrupt..yes in past gov'ts there were elements of corruption and it happens everywhere in the world but the mandate of the former gov't was not about good governance but what they can get for their own and themselves. So for you to pretend that they were otherwise is intellectually disingenuous provided I'm allowed the liberty to use "you and intellectual" in the same sentence.you have obviously failedto understand
Post by: pull stones on September 10, 2015, 01:11:34 AM
Post by: pull stones on September 10, 2015, 01:23:45 AM
Kams, Kams, Kams ... the ill-fated EBC mission amounts to nothing more than an ill-advised squandering of goodwill and good sense. Not a good look!so what's the verdict, objection overruled?
this lady would not go quietly unlike manning and panday. it seems like she will advance any loophole to nullify this election results. i say look for more disgruntled behavior from this lady in the coming weeks and months and a call for a vote of no confidence on the prime minister might be sooner than we think. i kind of get the feeling that the next five years would be a bumpy ride for the PNM in parliament, if they survive these tiger sharks.
Post by: Socapro on September 10, 2015, 05:22:04 AM
somehow i knew that the UNC/PP would make an objection to the election based on some minor technicality. boy oh boy this party and it's leader have no class at all, and they are very much disgraceful. this i am sure no other tt prime minister has ever done.
The PP/UNC are starting to behave just like their sister party the PPP did when they got voted out in Guyana back in May.
The PNM won both the elections and the popular vote so the UNC needs to accept the results and move on and look to rebuild their party preferrably under new leadership.
PNM = 23 Seats
PP/UNC = 18 Seats
PNM = 334,896 votes
PP/UNC = 310,754 votes
PNM won 50.76 % of the popular vote
PP/UNC won 47.10 % of the popular vote
Other Parties won 2.14% of the popular vote
Go here for details: http://www.elections.tt
PS:
And btw the UNC Headquarters at Rienzi Complex confirmed on facebook at 2:33pm on the day of the elections that they got and accepted the news that the Elections closing time had been officially extended to 7pm in Trinidad by the EBC due to the bad weather.
So this is just a case of sour grapes from the ex-PM Kamla and the UNC trying to say the extension of the elections closing time by the EBC was illegal as it wasn't. I am sure many UNC voters took advantage of the extension and voted between 6 & 7 PNM just like many PNM voters would also have done.
Post by: kaliman2006 on September 10, 2015, 05:27:52 AM
Kams, Kams, Kams ... the ill-fated EBC mission amounts to nothing more than an ill-advised squandering of goodwill and good sense. Not a good look!
Mrs. Persad-Bissessar's personal stock plummets by the second, never mind the hour. Boy, the way the Partnership is behaving, one would think that they were comprehensively defeated in the recently concluded General Elections. The Partnership still has eighteen seats, enough to exercise a significant degree of influence in the passage of legislation.
In its desperate efforts to invalidate the election results on a logically and constitutionally flawed basis, the Partnership seems to have forgotten that it is still a very significant player in the affairs of this country
Post by: R45 on September 10, 2015, 05:59:12 AM
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Post by: lefty on September 10, 2015, 06:22:41 AM
Post by: Brownsugar on September 10, 2015, 06:26:30 AM
Great is the PNM Great is the PNM and we have prevailed...
Bakes good to see you back.....ah hear yuh boy Sanko lookin for a wuk...wait even wuss for he right hand man
Just passing thru... yuh know tonight of all night I have tuh come tief ah wine on Brownsugar :beermug:
Bakes!!! Ah reach!! Okay, okay.....about 3 days late but its been a busy few days.
Ah reach home from Balisier House 3 am Monday night. Ah wine, ah jump, ah wave, ah wine, wine, wine, wine and wine some more......is 5 YEARS OF STRESS ah try to release in one night!!! ;D ;D
Oh gorm boy hear nah. TV6 nearly drive me mad Monday night with the early results looking like UNC going to win. I got fed up jump een mih car and drive down by Balisier House. When ah walk een, I saw only 5 seats on a screen in the yard in red. One was La Horquetta/Talparo and the other Moruga/Tableland already in red ah say good....PNM win. And I start to party one time.....
Now is ah good ting ah celebrate so much Monday night cuz lawd knows since Tuesday morning is either these racist a-holes stinking up de place with their shyte or Tanty wid she shyte petition.....look....hear nah.....whoo sah.....smh.
One last thing. If I didn't believe it before, I believe it now. The UNC supporters vote strictly on race. Period. Full stop. Not one single typical UNC safe seat shifted. Not one. I'm waiting on official results but I'm hearing in some cases the number of voters was even higher than past elections.
This race thing is really holding back the country. Everybody and dey nenen knows the UNC doesn't play nice in opposition. There are legislative changes that need to made that require a constitutional majority. Like some of the changes to Local Government. Or the issue of internal self governance for Tobago. The UNC going and agree with the PNM on some of these things?? Yeah fricking right??!!
UNC supporters, take a big wet watery steups!!! All yuh on real shit!!
I say so. Who vex loss!!!
That said...... :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :party: :party: :party: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :party:
Post by: Brownsugar on September 10, 2015, 06:30:04 AM
As for them pollsters.....only Louis Bertrand/HHB was correct. Nigel Henry kept saying the race was close but I feel he was just hedging so he could fashion the narrative a certain way when the results eventually came in......
Weary girl....about Watson Duke. What ah goh say.....many, many apologies.....*sigh*
Post by: Brownsugar on September 10, 2015, 06:31:52 AM
Damn arse!! Yuh want to sell out.....go ahead. The people aren't fools.....
Post by: Socapro on September 10, 2015, 06:39:23 AM
Great is the PNM Great is the PNM and we have prevailed...
Bakes good to see you back.....ah hear yuh boy Sanko lookin for a wuk...wait even wuss for he right hand man
Just passing thru... yuh know tonight of all night I have tuh come tief ah wine on Brownsugar :beermug:
Bakes!!! Ah reach!! Okay, okay.....about 3 days late but its been a busy few days.
Ah reach home from Balisier House 3 am Monday night. Ah wine, ah jump, ah wave, ah wine, wine, wine, wine and wine some more......is 5 YEARS OF STRESS ah try to release in one night!!! ;D ;D
Oh gorm boy hear nah. TV6 nearly drive me mad Monday night with the early results looking like UNC going to win. I got fed up jump een mih car and drive down by Balisier House. When ah walk een, I saw only 5 seats on a screen in the yard in red. One was La Horquetta/Talparo and the other Moruga/Tableland already in red ah say good....PNM win. And I start to party one time.....
Now is ah good ting ah celebrate so much Monday night cuz lawd knows since Tuesday morning is either these racist a-holes stinking up de place with their shyte or Tanty wid she shyte petition.....look....hear nah.....whoo sah.....smh.
One last thing. If I didn't believe it before, I believe it now. The UNC supporters vote strictly on race. Period. Full stop. Not one single typical UNC safe seat shifted. Not one. I'm waiting on official results but I'm hearing in some cases the number of voters was even higher than past elections.
This race thing is really holding back the country. Everybody and dey nenen knows the UNC doesn't play nice in opposition. There are legislative changes that need to made that require a constitutional majority. Like some of the changes to Local Government. Or the issue of internal self governance for Tobago. The UNC going and agree with the PNM on some of these things?? Yeah fricking right??!!
UNC supporters, take a big wet watery steups!!! All yuh on real shit!!
I say so. Who vex loss!!!
That said...... :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :party: :party: :party: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :party:
Most UNC supporters have been miss-educated and groomed to be tribal in their voting and put being power above what is good for the country.
Post by: Socapro on September 10, 2015, 06:47:03 AM
On the topic of Sancho.....ah still waiting to see how much he lost by. Initial figures shows it wasn't a blow out but still...... :whip: :whip: :flamethrower:
Damn arse!! Yuh want to sell out.....go ahead. The people aren't fools.....
I believe that Sancho lost to Glenda Jennings-Smith the PNM candidate for Toco/Sangre Grande by 2,365 votes.
Glenda Jennings-Smith polled 9,214 votes for the PNM while Sancho polled 6,849 votes for the UNC.
Go here for details: http://www.elections.tt/
Post by: Brownsugar on September 10, 2015, 08:38:37 AM
On the topic of Sancho.....ah still waiting to see how much he lost by. Initial figures shows it wasn't a blow out but still...... :whip: :whip: :flamethrower:
Damn arse!! Yuh want to sell out.....go ahead. The people aren't fools.....
I believe that Sancho lost to Glenda Jennings-Smith the PNM candidate for Toco/Sangre Grande by 2,365 votes.
Glenda Jennings-Smith polled 9,214 votes for the PNM while Sancho polled 6,849 votes for the UNC.
Go here for details: http://www.elections.tt/
I've been avoiding using these figures being bandied about because they are not OFFICIAL EBC figures. I heard on I95.5fm earlier that the official figures were out but I'm not seeing anything on the EBC website.....
Post by: lefty on September 10, 2015, 09:08:34 AM
On the topic of Sancho.....ah still waiting to see how much he lost by. Initial figures shows it wasn't a blow out but still...... :whip: :whip: :flamethrower:
Damn arse!! Yuh want to sell out.....go ahead. The people aren't fools.....
I believe that Sancho lost to Glenda Jennings-Smith the PNM candidate for Toco/Sangre Grande by 2,365 votes.
Glenda Jennings-Smith polled 9,214 votes for the PNM while Sancho polled 6,849 votes for the UNC.
Go here for details: http://www.elections.tt/
I've been avoiding using these figures being bandied about because they are not OFFICIAL EBC figures. I heard on I95.5fm earlier that the official figures were out but I'm not seeing anything on the EBC website.....
so is still unofficial...steups....hope d official figure can hold true regard the popular vote so dem racist assholes could shut the f**k up
Post by: Socapro on September 10, 2015, 10:09:08 AM
On the topic of Sancho.....ah still waiting to see how much he lost by. Initial figures shows it wasn't a blow out but still...... :whip: :whip: :flamethrower:
Damn arse!! Yuh want to sell out.....go ahead. The people aren't fools.....
I believe that Sancho lost to Glenda Jennings-Smith the PNM candidate for Toco/Sangre Grande by 2,365 votes.
Glenda Jennings-Smith polled 9,214 votes for the PNM while Sancho polled 6,849 votes for the UNC.
Go here for details: http://www.elections.tt/
I've been avoiding using these figures being bandied about because they are not OFFICIAL EBC figures. I heard on I95.5fm earlier that the official figures were out but I'm not seeing anything on the EBC website.....
so is still unofficial...steups....hope d official figure can hold true regard the popular vote so dem racist assholes could shut the f**k up
There is no doubt that the PNM won the popular vote and the official EBC figures when released will confirm this.
The unofficial figures from the Guaradian elections website were compiled using live data feed from the various polling stations around T&T.
Post by: weary1969 on September 10, 2015, 10:14:05 AM
Bourbon.....yuh see mih St. Joseph friend was right :). She always believed in Terrance Deyalsingh and that he would win. I have a co worker who was always resolute that the PNM would win Tunapuna no matter what the polls were showing.
As for them pollsters.....only Louis Bertrand/HHB was correct. Nigel Henry kept saying the race was close but I feel he was just hedging so he could fashion the narrative a certain way when the results eventually came in......
Weary girl....about Watson Duke. What ah goh say.....many, many apologies.....*sigh*
Terrence work real hard. In my church we divide up by zones as we have members all over. My zone had sports the Mt. Lambert cell was practicing he passed inquired who we were and two huge hampers arrived. Yes it was election season but I know MP's who would have done nutten.
In regards to Tunapuna Forde is the 21st century Eddie Hart.
Post by: lefty on September 10, 2015, 10:17:29 AM
Still better to get it from the horse's mouth......and put to rest unequivocally...... IMHO
The unofficial figures from the Guaradian elections website were compiled using live data feed from the various polling stations around T&T.
Post by: Controversial on September 10, 2015, 10:55:13 AM
Post by: Socapro on September 10, 2015, 11:16:10 AM
I now realize how dotish some people could be over politricks... :D
You are correct in regards to the number of UNC supporters who have been spewing racist remarks on facebook since their party lost.
Post by: asylumseeker on September 10, 2015, 11:23:36 AM
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Post by: grimm01 on September 10, 2015, 11:43:22 AM
Long may it continue in sweet TT.
Post by: Socapro on September 10, 2015, 11:55:29 AM
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Very nice but then I suspect they go and spew racist remarks at each other on facebook when they don't have to deal with each other face to face. :D
Post by: fari on September 10, 2015, 12:06:19 PM
Post by: lefty on September 10, 2015, 12:17:31 PM
Post by: MEP on September 10, 2015, 12:39:20 PM
Post by: MEP on September 10, 2015, 12:52:38 PM
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Most UNC supporters have been miss-educated and groomed to be tribal in their voting and put being power above what is good for the country.
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These are things have been happening within the parochial Hindu schools and the Mandirs for years where SAT has his claws where the sense of nationalism is skewed.
Post by: weary1969 on September 10, 2015, 01:02:35 PM
The PP know they don't have any legal claims to have the EBC rule the election null and void. What they are now doing is rallying the belief in their masses that the election was stolen. It's all about propaganda.
:beermug:
Post by: asylumseeker on September 10, 2015, 01:43:54 PM
The PP know they don't have any legal claims to have the EBC rule the election null and void. What they are now doing is rallying the belief in their masses that the election was stolen. It's all about propaganda.
Spot on. Some are singing ...
https://www.youtube.com/v/Uxh4CzZgkj0
Selah.
Post by: Bakes on September 10, 2015, 02:28:01 PM
The PP know they don't have any legal claims to have the EBC rule the election null and void. What they are now doing is rallying the belief in their masses that the election was stolen. It's all about propaganda.
I'll take it one step further... what they are doing is deflecting blame for them losing the election. Better to spin it as "they tief we" rather than offer it for what it is... "we f**k up and de people was fed up."
Post by: pull stones on September 10, 2015, 02:37:20 PM
so what is the verdict now a new election on the horizon as i have been hearing on the radio, or does the results stands? i can't believe that no one is addressing this neither on the new government side or the opposition side and where does the president stand on this issue. are they going to court or not? boy there's never a dull day in trinidad and tobago.The PP know they don't have any legal claims to have the EBC rule the election null and void. What they are now doing is rallying the belief in their masses that the election was stolen. It's all about propaganda.
I'll take it one step further... what they are doing is deflecting blame for them losing the election. Better to spin it as "they tief we" rather than offer it for what it is... "we f**k up and de people was fed up."
Post by: Bakes on September 10, 2015, 03:02:45 PM
so what is the verdict now a new election on the horizon as i have been hearing on the radio, or does the results stands? i can't believe that no one is addressing this neither on the new government side or the opposition side and where does the president stand on this issue. are they going to court or not? boy there's never a dull day in trinidad and tobago.
Yuh not hearing any talk about it on the national level because the argument has no legs. The EBC has already responded, rejecting their petition out of hand.
Post by: Jumbie on September 10, 2015, 03:24:03 PM
The PP know they don't have any legal claims to have the EBC rule the election null and void. What they are now doing is rallying the belief in their masses that the election was stolen. It's all about propaganda.
I'll take it one step further... what they are doing is deflecting blame for them losing the election. Better to spin it as "they tief we" rather than offer it for what it is... "we f**k up and de people was fed up."
Exactly!
Now they will spite the blasted show and misuse the seats dey have in parliament to block warranted progress! Shit they could have easily accomplished with the power the people gave them originally.
Post by: pull stones on September 10, 2015, 03:28:44 PM
yes the EBC has rejected their petition, but it's supposed to be before the court as we type and out of the EBC's hands. not saying that the court would side with them, but there's going to be a drawn out process no doubt because of the simple disposition of the former government.so what is the verdict now a new election on the horizon as i have been hearing on the radio, or does the results stands? i can't believe that no one is addressing this neither on the new government side or the opposition side and where does the president stand on this issue. are they going to court or not? boy there's never a dull day in trinidad and tobago.
Yuh not hearing any talk about it on the national level because the argument has no legs. The EBC has already responded, rejecting their petition out of hand.
Post by: pull stones on September 10, 2015, 03:31:07 PM
wow does my eyes deceive me? i can't believe that you of all people has gone against the unc for once. good show ole man.The PP know they don't have any legal claims to have the EBC rule the election null and void. What they are now doing is rallying the belief in their masses that the election was stolen. It's all about propaganda.
I'll take it one step further... what they are doing is deflecting blame for them losing the election. Better to spin it as "they tief we" rather than offer it for what it is... "we f**k up and de people was fed up."
Exactly!
Now they will spite the blasted show and misuse the seats dey have in parliament to block warranted progress! Shit they could have easily accomplished with the power the people gave them originally.
Post by: Jumbie on September 10, 2015, 03:34:59 PM
where have I gone "for" the UNC? or any other political party?wow does my eyes deceive me? i can't believe that you of all people has gone against the unc for once. good show ole man.The PP know they don't have any legal claims to have the EBC rule the election null and void. What they are now doing is rallying the belief in their masses that the election was stolen. It's all about propaganda.
I'll take it one step further... what they are doing is deflecting blame for them losing the election. Better to spin it as "they tief we" rather than offer it for what it is... "we f**k up and de people was fed up."
Exactly!
Now they will spite the blasted show and misuse the seats dey have in parliament to block warranted progress! Shit they could have easily accomplished with the power the people gave them originally.
Post by: pull stones on September 10, 2015, 04:00:41 PM
don't read too much into this, it was simply a passing comment.where have I gone "for" the UNC? or any other political party?wow does my eyes deceive me? i can't believe that you of all people has gone against the unc for once. good show ole man.The PP know they don't have any legal claims to have the EBC rule the election null and void. What they are now doing is rallying the belief in their masses that the election was stolen. It's all about propaganda.
I'll take it one step further... what they are doing is deflecting blame for them losing the election. Better to spin it as "they tief we" rather than offer it for what it is... "we f**k up and de people was fed up."
Exactly!
Now they will spite the blasted show and misuse the seats dey have in parliament to block warranted progress! Shit they could have easily accomplished with the power the people gave them originally.
maybe what i intended to convey was your anti rowley sentiments and concurrence with that ultra dud called controversial.
Post by: lefty on September 10, 2015, 04:06:46 PM
Post by: pull stones on September 10, 2015, 04:21:55 PM
Post by: Sando prince on September 10, 2015, 05:06:51 PM
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Post by: Socapro on September 10, 2015, 05:11:31 PM
these unc people can't even let the pnm supporters enjoy their victory, now we will have this long drawn out foolishness like what took place between al gore and george bush in 2000, what a bummer. shame shame
Nothing is going to be drawn out. No serious court will entertain the UNC's BS argument especially as it has been dismissed by the EBC based on the EBC own rules that they operate by.
The UNC is just doing this to deflect blame for losing the elections and to keep their supporters in their required ignorance.
Post by: Sando prince on September 10, 2015, 05:14:35 PM
On the topic of Sancho.....ah still waiting to see how much he lost by. Initial figures shows it wasn't a blow out but still...... :whip: :whip: :flamethrower:
Damn arse!! Yuh want to sell out.....go ahead. The people aren't fools.....
I believe that Sancho lost to Glenda Jennings-Smith the PNM candidate for Toco/Sangre Grande by 2,365 votes.
Glenda Jennings-Smith polled 9,214 votes for the PNM while Sancho polled 6,849 votes for the UNC.
Go here for details: http://www.elections.tt/
I've been avoiding using these figures being bandied about because they are not OFFICIAL EBC figures. I heard on I95.5fm earlier that the official figures were out but I'm not seeing anything on the EBC website.....
Tv6 just announced PNM has won the popular vote. My friend do you still need more convincing? :D
Post by: Bakes on September 10, 2015, 05:43:41 PM
yes the EBC has rejected their petition, but it's supposed to be before the court as we type and out of the EBC's hands. not saying that the court would side with them, but there's going to be a drawn out process no doubt because of the simple disposition of the former government.
The issue is serious enough that the court is obliged to address it, but unless the PP government could point to some procedural violation by the EBC (where they were supposed to notify them and did not), then they really don't have a leg to stand on. Even if the court, in the unlikeliest of circumstances, agrees with them that there was a procedural violation, the court then would have to consider what redress is owed them. If the PP can show that without a doubt they would have won had polls closed on time then maybe the court invalidates any ballot cast after 6 pm. I don't know how they'd even be able to prove that, so overturning the results is extremely unlikely.
Post by: Bourbon on September 10, 2015, 06:01:33 PM
www.ebctt.com/wp-content/uploads/Results-of-the-Parliamentary-Election-Held-on-Monday-7th-September-2015.xlsx
Post by: Socapro on September 10, 2015, 08:29:48 PM
2015 election results posted on EBC website for those interested:
www.ebctt.com/wp-content/uploads/Results-of-the-Parliamentary-Election-Held-on-Monday-7th-September-2015.xlsx
So based on the EBC official figures, PNM won both the majority of seats in the elections and also the popular vote.
Total electorate = 1,099,279
Total Votes cast = 734,792
Voter turnout = 66.84%
PNM = 378,447 votes
PNM won 51.68% of the total votes
PP (UNC+COP+NJAC+TOP) = 341,537 votes
PP (UNC+COP+NJAC+TOP) won 46.65 % of the total votes
UNC = 290,066 votes
UNC won 39.61 % of the total votes
COP = 43,911 votes
COP won 6.01 % of the total votes
ILP = 5,123 votes
ILP won 0.70% of the total votes
Other Parties won 2.37% of the total votes
PNM = 23 Seats
PP (UNC=17 + COP=1 + NJAC=0 + TOP=0) = 18 Seats
Confirmation link: Data | Elections And Boundaries Commission (http://www.ebctt.com/data)
Post by: R45 on September 10, 2015, 08:48:49 PM
This probably means that PNM voters in the PNM strongholds came out and voted in much higher numbers than usual.Not really. The bottom 10 constituencies in turnout were once again most PNM strongholds. Total turnout was 66.84%, but Laventille's were 55-56%. Up from the last 2 elections, but less than 2002 and still less than average. Only 2 of the bottom 10 constituences had a 60% or higher turnout.
Normally PNM stronghold voters average around a 50% turnout while UNC stronghold voters average a 75% turnout but I suspect that for these 2015 elections the PNM stronghold voters averaged at least a 70% turnout meaning that finally young Black people in PNM stronghold areas like Laventille came out in high numbers to vote.
One noticeable thing is that UNC strongholds, while still above average, weren't as high as in prior years. Seems like a combination of higher than recent (i.e. last two elections) voting in PNM strongholds and lower than recent voting in UNC strongholds helped the PNM win the popular vote.
Still, this election follows the trend for the last few decades where PNM strongholds don't vote at national averages.
Post by: Socapro on September 10, 2015, 09:00:18 PM
This probably means that PNM voters in the PNM strongholds came out and voted in much higher numbers than usual.Not really. The bottom 10 constituencies in turnout were once again most PNM strongholds. Total turnout was 66.84%, but Laventille's were 55-56%. Up from the last 2 elections, but less than 2002 and still less than average. Only 2 of the bottom 10 constituences had a 60% or higher turnout.
Normally PNM stronghold voters average around a 50% turnout while UNC stronghold voters average a 75% turnout but I suspect that for these 2015 elections the PNM stronghold voters averaged at least a 70% turnout meaning that finally young Black people in PNM stronghold areas like Laventille came out in high numbers to vote.
One noticeable thing is that UNC strongholds, while still above average, weren't as high as in prior years. Seems like a combination of higher than recent (i.e. last two elections) voting in PNM strongholds and lower than recent voting in UNC strongholds helped the PNM win the popular vote.
Still, this election follows the trend for the last few decades where PNM strongholds don't vote at national averages.
:thumbsup:
Note I did make that speculative post before the official EBC figures just above were published.
Post by: Socapro on September 10, 2015, 09:07:39 PM
On the topic of Sancho.....ah still waiting to see how much he lost by. Initial figures shows it wasn't a blow out but still...... :whip: :whip: :flamethrower:
Damn arse!! Yuh want to sell out.....go ahead. The people aren't fools.....
I believe that Sancho lost to Glenda Jennings-Smith the PNM candidate for Toco/Sangre Grande by 2,365 votes.
Glenda Jennings-Smith polled 9,214 votes for the PNM while Sancho polled 6,849 votes for the UNC.
Go here for details: http://www.elections.tt/
I've been avoiding using these figures being bandied about because they are not OFFICIAL EBC figures. I heard on I95.5fm earlier that the official figures were out but I'm not seeing anything on the EBC website.....
Based on the Official EBC figures just released Sancho got a sound enough beating from PNM candidate Glenda Jennings-Smith in Toco/Sangre Grande! :)
Glenda polled 12,005 votes for the PNM while Sancho polled 8,101 votes for the UNC which is a defeat by 3,904 votes so thats almost a 4,000 votes defeat that Sancho suffered. :beermug:
Post by: asylumseeker on September 10, 2015, 11:47:16 PM
Express editorial
Despite the intensity of the election campaign, Trinidad and Tobago has once again delivered such a smooth transition from one government to another that even foreign observers were moved to applaud. For this, everyone should take a bow.
The Caricom observer mission headed by Orette Fisher, and the Commonwealth Group led by Sir Paul Tovua, both signed off on the results, expressing praise for this country’s electoral arrangements. The Caricom observer team also concluded that Monday’s outcome “reflects the will of the people of T&T”.
Amid the widespread negative views about the performance of State institutions, the Elections and Boundaries Commission (EBC), charged with upholding democratic principle and practice, observably delivered on its mandate. The voting and related exercises met the objective criteria of visiting missions, while gaining the approval of local observers and election participants.
Election 2015 has, however, raised a few new issues and challenges that demand attention. In particular, the impact of new communication technology which has all but nullified the architecture of regulation designed to depoliticise the voting process. Text messaging, social media commentary and advertising all challenge existing regulations. Also, despite the EBC’s advisory against cell phones in the voting booth, several persons reported seeing no appropriate arrangements at polling stations and, in fact, some even claimed to have carried their phones into the booth. Photos of ballots were actually posted online although it is not clear whether these were real or fake. Social media is proving to be a challenge not only for Trinidad and Tobago but the world over. It openly defies the old information order and forces everyone to re-think their assumptions about information control and public behaviour.
Before the election focus shifts, however, all parties should take the opportunity to reckon with and rectify the question of campaign financing. Allegations of influence peddling in high office have now become commonplace. Political investors are known to engage in open horse-trading with politicians. Unless T&T finds a way to unhook the sticky fingers of political investors from government, the citizen’s power and role in the political process will quickly diminish and the electorate will be relegated to the status of rubber-stamping the representatives of special interests.
Campaign finance reform is thus an urgent item that must get onto Parliament’s legislative agenda before the next election. The public will expect both the Government and Opposition to keep their promise to promote and back it.
On the upside, one of the outstanding positives noted in Campaign 2015 was the high level of public engagement in the issues. Through a multitude of social media groups, members of the public tackled everything from politicians’ private lives to their public agendas. They also policed the electoral process and created solidarities of support against the occasional ugliness that was spewed by extremists.
However, even as technology continues to change the parameters of politics, Trinidad and Tobago succeeded in keeping its aplomb while changing governments.
Post by: kaliman2006 on September 11, 2015, 07:09:53 AM
As many other on here have pointed on here (and indeed across the whole country), who on earth could the Partnership have ascertained whether or not it was ahead in the vote count at 6:00pm on Monday 7th September?
In its hot and sweaty haste to create mischief and potentially undermine the new government, the Partnership does not seem to realize that it has just opened itself up to a very troubling line of questioning. If it was aware of the vote tally at 6:00pm, then the question of fraudulent activity in the elections becomes a real possibility.
Also, the Partnership appears to have accepted the EBC's ruling when it was initially announced and is only now belatedly making this challenge.
Goodness grief...
Post by: R45 on September 11, 2015, 12:19:22 PM
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TWO days after losing Monday’s general election, former prime minister Kamla Persad- Bissessar yesterday officially congratulated new Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley and the incoming People’s National Movement (PNM).
Her congratulations to Rowley, who is also PNM political leader and Diego Martin West MP, came hours after Rowley took the oath of office at Queens Hall in St Ann’s, and hours before she looked set to be made the new Opposition Leader after her party resolved that she remain as its political leader.
Speaking with Newsday, Persad-Bissessar said, “I congratulate the new Prime Minister and the new government.” Persad-Bissessar, who is also United National Congress (UNC) political leader and Siparia MP, said the new focus of the People’s Partnership (PP) coalition is rebuilding and re branding itself as a “viable Opposition” in the 11th Parliament which is expected to be convened soon.
https://www.facebook.com/UNC-United-National-Congress-106385386218744/timeline/
That was from the UNC facebook page. That seems to me as accepting the results, which is contrary to other releases about contesting the results. It's tough to keep up with what they're doing.
Post by: Dutty on September 11, 2015, 07:43:59 PM
not that last couple tho Pro...only thing them spewing at each other is sweet nothings in each other's ear ;D
If he want to keep he sweet wife happy he go spew more than nothings in she ears
a couple pearl earrings is ah start
Post by: Dutty on September 11, 2015, 07:55:48 PM
maybe what i intended to convey was your anti rowley sentiments and concurrence with that ultra dud called controversial.
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TT,,... dais you!?!?
Nevertheless, I am simply elated that yet another democratic transition has taken place without any violence.
Moreso, without any trickery and legal 'blackholes' that require international monitors to come and watch we like lil chirren
It have big countries that could learn from Trinbago
I proud too bad of the people of T&T
Okay, so whey allyuh think is the first setta tings should be done
Tamp down significantly on crime? ('cause in reality only a Saddam type dictatorship can truly eliminate it)
Expose Dana Seetahal and Selwyn Richardson murderers?
Sen Jack, Ish and Steve in dey plane rides?
More Jump and wave celebrations in Manzanilla?
Post by: R45 on September 12, 2015, 09:21:32 AM
Okay, so whey allyuh think is the first setta tings should be done#1 priority should be the economy. We need a plan and contingencies in case this low oil price ends up lasting for a long period of time.
Tamp down significantly on crime? ('cause in reality only a Saddam type dictatorship can truly eliminate it)
Expose Dana Seetahal and Selwyn Richardson murderers?
Sen Jack, Ish and Steve in dey plane rides?
More Jump and wave celebrations in Manzanilla?
Post by: asylumseeker on September 12, 2015, 09:37:15 AM
Unfortunately, T&T is not an environment in which economic stability necessarily drives diminution in the criminal economy.
Post by: Deeks on September 12, 2015, 09:57:35 AM
Okay, so whey allyuh think is the first setta tings should be done#1 priority should be the economy. We need a plan and contingencies in case this low oil price ends up lasting for a long period of time.
Tamp down significantly on crime? ('cause in reality only a Saddam type dictatorship can truly eliminate it)
Expose Dana Seetahal and Selwyn Richardson murderers?
Sen Jack, Ish and Steve in dey plane rides?
More Jump and wave celebrations in Manzanilla?
:thumbsup:
Post by: R45 on September 12, 2015, 11:43:41 AM
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http://m.guardian.co.tt/columnist/2015-09-12/heart-darkness
Heart of darkness
Paolo Kernahan
Published: Saturday, September 12, 2015
All Indian is scyaaamp and drunkards, black people lazy or dem is bandit, see-reean is bandit in suit, de Whiteman is ah oppressor from colonial days (and should jess hush he mout), chinee only like money and dog.
If we are honest with ourselves, the racial stereotypes listed above are very familiar to us, or have even crossed our own lips at some time or another.
Elections 2015 opened a fissure, exposing the dark heart of racism, prejudice and negativity that pumps hatred through the veins of this nation.
That people were surprised by all the nastiness, points to either a well-nurtured naiveté or garden variety stupidity.
We are masters of pretence, masking our foibles with the pantomime of mirth, conviviality and plastic unity.
I recall my time in the media when every state function was opened with performances by the Shiv Shakti Dancers and the Malick Folk Performers. Representatives of the two major races revelled in cultural expression together on the same stage!
Then, attendees would have to sit down, then stand up, then sit down again as Pundit, Imam, Bahai, Pastor, “Seven-days” delivered interminable blessings.
This flimsy charade neatly encapsulates our attitude towards race relations. We bury our heads (not in the sand though) and pretend that we are a melting pot nation, a diverse mix of races and cultures all living in harmony. This…is…garbage.
Facebook, in the aftermath of the elections, became an environment of unfathomable toxicity.
Even as Dr Keith Rowley delivered a particularly-gracious victory speech, designed to assuage the hostilities of the elections, to wake people to the reality that we must all live and work together, the mob on the ground had different ideas.
Political zealots surged at the fences, hurling putrid abuse at the former Prime Minister, cavalierly condemning this woman as a creature of loose morals, a hyper-charged libido and an agent of iniquity.
For their part, the UNC supporters, wounded in defeat, mounted their own racist offensive. The party’s page was transformed into an unofficial, smouldering hate group.
The comments laid bare a society unbound by conventions of civility and grace.
One common incendiary notion is that “Africans” are intellectually inferior and, as such, are ill-suited to a leadership role in the society.
This warped ideology in turn had the effect of attracting PNM supporters to the page. Spoiling for a fight, they deposited their own racist posts. What was remarkable is that the anti-racists are blind to their own racism.
One post read “all of those nasty comments on the UNC’s Facebook page, the only cure for that is Lanate.”
That person couldn’t appreciate that he was guilty of the same offence the post was meant to repudiate.
Elsewhere, a video surfaced of some men attempting to burn, an apparently fire-proof UNC jersey. The video was peppered with guttural obscenities and racist remarks.
Others, who felt themselves above the fray, also contributed to the noxious atmosphere. It was widely suggested, by many people from whom I expected better, that those who didn’t vote for the PNM, are on the side of immorality. Invoking the name of Jesus (in Jesus name!) as the weak-minded are often wont to do, PNM supporters posit that Dr Keith Rowley’s victory at the polls was somehow ordained by God; he was sent from up above to rid this country of the wicked UNC/Hindu government…In Jesus name, H.I.M.
Thus, you have introduced into the equation the ethos of good versus evil.
No platform for unity can be built on nakedly inferred religious intolerance.
But calls for “unity” among citizens are an illusion.
What we truly want is acquiescence. In 2010 and now, hush yuh mout’ we time now!
Additionally, it was laughable to read puerile quips about East Indians with respect to alcohol. We are in fact a nation of drinkers so that is just the pot calling the kettle Indian.
Quibbling over who drinks more than whom is practised obfuscation.
We blame our politicians for fomenting racial and other varieties of hatred but politicians merely exploit the hate resident in the hearts of our people.
Facebook was a snapshot of a pervasive scourge in society. Anyone who believes that the post-elections vitriol was restricted to social media, is either a fool, a liar or both.
Hatred in the heart is difficult, if not impossible to expunge. Older generations are lost to this pernicious affliction.
We must inoculate our children against the heredity of racial hatred and mistrust.
There ought to be an aggressive and sustained education campaign to teach our children about appreciation for cultural differences.
Modules must be introduced in our schools to programme future generations with an understanding of cultural diversity in T&T.
They must be given the mental software to counteract the hatred encoded in our national DNA.
Many will deny it, but both sides of the political divide were guilty of great atrocities.
Trinis love to say: “One love, we all have to live here.”
Of course, we all have to live together but, as this week aptly demonstrated, we don’t have to like it.
Post by: Sando prince on September 12, 2015, 11:56:35 AM
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Post by: Brownsugar on September 12, 2015, 02:20:59 PM
On the topic of Sancho.....ah still waiting to see how much he lost by. Initial figures shows it wasn't a blow out but still...... :whip: :whip: :flamethrower:
Damn arse!! Yuh want to sell out.....go ahead. The people aren't fools.....
I believe that Sancho lost to Glenda Jennings-Smith the PNM candidate for Toco/Sangre Grande by 2,365 votes.
Glenda Jennings-Smith polled 9,214 votes for the PNM while Sancho polled 6,849 votes for the UNC.
Go here for details: http://www.elections.tt/
I've been avoiding using these figures being bandied about because they are not OFFICIAL EBC figures. I heard on I95.5fm earlier that the official figures were out but I'm not seeing anything on the EBC website.....
Based on the Official EBC figures just released Sancho got a sound enough beating from PNM candidate Glenda Jennings-Smith in Toco/Sangre Grande! :)
Glenda polled 12,005 votes for the PNM while Sancho polled 8,101 votes for the UNC which is a defeat by 3,904 votes so thats almost a 4,000 votes defeat that Sancho suffered. :beermug:
:cheers: :cheers: :party: :wavetowel: :flamethrower: :applause: :applause:
I always counted Toco/Sande Grande in my list of seats for the PNM before the election, I just wanted to win to be big......bye, bye Sancho, bye, bye......You should have enough SIS money to keep you nice and tidy for a while......
Post by: che on September 12, 2015, 09:49:37 PM
Post by: Socapro on September 12, 2015, 10:45:27 PM
In less than a week the UNC Facebook page has degenerated from a well organized Supports group to nothing more than a hate group. :(
I think it is good when folks show their true colours so we know what to expect if we ever put God out of our minds and vote their party back into power again in the futture. :beermug:
Post by: Socapro on September 12, 2015, 11:22:08 PM
By Gail Alexander (T&T Guardian)
Published: Saturday, September 12, 2015
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Gail Alexander
For 378,447 new reasons—which PNM obtained last Monday—T&T has seen a more relaxed Keith Rowley.
The confidence which thousands reposed in Rowley in Monday’s general election made him comfortable enough at yesterday’s swearing-in of his new Cabinet at Queen’s Hall, to share details of how he’d once stood on that same stage to participate in a student forum and froze, unable to speak.
Rowley whose journey from dumbstruck student at Queen’s Hall to being made Prime Minister at that same venue was paid in fitting musical tribute at Wednesday’s swearing-in function via rendition of The Impossible Dream. Some of the sentiments which his journey may have evoked has therefore cropped up in the immediate statesman’s note of his maiden speech on victory night.
That has set the tenor for his tenure and will be held up if his government strays from such tenets. Indeed, as MSJ leader David Abdulah said post-swearing-in, the administration will hardly have any “honeymoon.” This, given demands presented by the country, various groups including labour and supporters, some of whom may not have properly heeded—over Monday’s celebratory strains—Rowley’s warnings of difficult times ahead.
Rowley has so far made efforts to redirect the energy flow from election fervour to settling down, reaching out to non-PNMites and assuring equity. How the Government—comprising seven experienced people in a Cabinet of 21—makes good on its mandate, his statements and enacts further, still necessary, healing remains to unfold.
The PNM Government will be hamstrung on special majority legislation. Parliament confirmed its 23 seats will only be enough to pass simple majority bills. This, unless Rowley secures the assistance of incoming Opposition Leader—which it’s confirmed will be—Kamla Persad-Bissessar’s team.
PNM’s victory has elicited deep chagrin for the PP, particularly loss of St Joseph, Toco/Manzanilla and La Horquetta on which it had banked, and Moruga, a huge surprise since candidate Clifton de Coteau had been allowed to contest on the basis of strong support. But De Coteau’s 10,275 votes were closely pipped by PNM’s Lovelle Francis’ 10,808.
PNM’s Andre Monteil, keeping his vow to bring home Moruga to honour late colleague Martin Joseph—whose plan projected PNM’s 23 seat win-says ex-UNC MP Winston Peters assisted him. Apart from campaign manager Rohan Sinanan, PNMites also praise Jacquie Lazarus—Rowley’s DM West ops head of many years—for copping the marginals.
Jack Warner, losing the election battle, won his war with the PP, the campaign fall-out of which may have benefitted the PNM. His fate with his US case remains to unfold under new PNM Attorney General Faris Al-Rawi.
For the regrouping PP, challenges ahead include the COP’s future, after most COP candidates got half (or less) of respective winners’ votes and ex-COP member, St Augustine challenger Nalini Dial got half of COP leader Prakash Ramadhar’s 12,606 votes.
Challenges remain for Persad- Bissessar’s leadership, particularly following her non-appearance at UNC’s Rienzi Complex following Monday’s defeat. While obviously upset, leadership would have demanded shelving of emotion in favour of comforting supporters who needed it in the face of the stunning defeat.
She may also be looked askance since PP’s campaign based on “Kamla 2015” failed to resonate with all of T&T. Nor will five elections which the PP has lost under her leadership stand her in good stead as a future political option, unless the PP finds a way of recovering lost gloss.
While her stocks are strong with heartland support, the East-West corridor rode a “wave” back to PNM as it did against it in 2010. PP’s first job with its time in Opposition (as the PNM did) is implementation of infrastructure and necessary work to hold its turf and woo non-traditional areas without depending on PNM flubbing. Indeed UNC’s Fuad Khan narrowly held San Juan Barataria with 8,733 votes to Hafeez Ali’s 8,182. UNC’s St Joseph and Toco hopes, Vasant Bharath and Brent Sancho also fell by 2,000 odd votes to PNM’s winners there.
Immediately, UNC/COP which hasn’t an Opposition whip, begins from Tuesday planning 2016 budget responses and for UNC’s leadership elections, due within two months.
Post by: Socapro on September 13, 2015, 12:08:43 AM
By Rachael Espinet (T&T Guardian)
Published: Friday, September 11, 2015
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Prime Minisiter Dr Keith Rowley delivering his speech at the oath taking of the new Government Cabinet. Photo: Khamal Georges
Twenty-one new Government Ministers and one Parliament Secretary were sworn into office this morning as the new Cabinet for People’s National Movement administration.
Out of these 22 appointments, there were six Senatorial appointments.
The swearing in ceremony for the new Cabinet took place at Queen’s Hall, St Ann’s before President Anthony Carmona.
Prime Minister, Dr Keith Rowley said he is taking personal responsibility for the new Cabinet.
“We are here to serve all the people of Trinidad and Tobago, and as Prime Minister of this country, I intend to hold every single one of them to the oath of office,” Rowley said.
Rowley noted that a number of the people he appointed to the Cabinet reinforces his commitments to give young people a prominent place in the Government.
“We have put the affairs of the state in the hands of the young people of Trinidad and Tobago," he said.
Rowley then called on citizens to adopt a spirit of volunteerism where people willingly give back to the country.
“I want to appeal to the nation to bring back a sense of volunteerism...Not everything you do should carry a pay cheque. Let us get rid of the gimme gimme attitude. Let us be confident that what we have done in the dark can be defended in the light,” Rowley said.
On Wednesday, Rowley, Attorney General Faris Al-Rawi and Minister of National Security retired Major General Edmund Dillon were sworn into office. The Cabinet will comprise of 23 members.
Other successful candidates, Glenda Jennings-Smith, Esmond Forde, Adrian Leonce and Dr Lovell Francis did not get any Cabinet positions.
The following is a list of the new government Cabinet:
1. Senator Clarence Rambharat, Minister of Agriculture and Land Resources
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2. MP Stuart Young, Minister in the Office of Attorney General and Legal Affairs
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3. MP Maxie Cuffie, Minister of Communications
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4. MP Nyan Gadsby-Dolly, Minister of Community, Culture and the Arts
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5. MP Anthony Garcia, Minister of Education
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6. MP Nicole Olivierre, Minister of Energy and Energy Affairs
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7. MP Colm Imbert, Minister of Finance
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8. Senator Dennis Moses, Minister of Caricom and Foreign Affairs
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9. MP Terrence Deyalsingh, Minister of Health
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10. MP Marlene McDonald, Minister of Housing and Urban Development
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11. Senator Jennifer Baptiste-Primus, Minster of Labour and Small Enterprises Development
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12. MP Camille Robinson-Regis, Minister of Planning and Sustainable Development
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13. MP Randall Mitchell, Minister of Public Administration
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14. MP Ancil Antoine, Minister of Public Utilities
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15. Senator Franklin Khan, Minister of Rural Development and Local Government
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16. MP Cherrie-Ann Crichlow-Cockburn, Minister of Social Development and Family Services
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17. MP Darryl Smith, Minister of Sport and Youth Affairs
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18. MP Shamfa Cudjoe, Minister of Tourism
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19. Senator Paula Gopee-Scoon, Minister of Trade and Industry
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20. MP Fitzgerald Hinds, Minister of Works and Transport
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21. MP Ayanna Webster Roy, Minister in the Office of the Prime Minister
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22. Senator Avinash Singh, Parliament Secretary in the Ministry of Agriculture
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Post by: Socapro on September 15, 2015, 07:01:56 PM
By Jensen La Vende (T&T Guardian)
Published: Friday, September 11, 2015
Despite the claim that the People's Partnership received the popular vote, statistics from Elections and Boundaries Commission (EBC) state it was the winning party the People's National Movement which received that prize.
During her concession speech on election night former prime minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar said the People's Partnership, which comprises the United National Congress (UNC), Congress of the People (COP), Tobago Organisation of the People (TOP) and the National Joint Action Committee (NJAC), won the popular vote.
But according to the EBC yesterday of the 1,099,279 eligible voters, 734,792 voted which represented 66.84 per cent of the eligible voters.
Of those who voted 2,452 ballots had to be rejected. The PNM got a total of 378,447 votes to take 51.68 per cent of the voters. The runner-up, the UNC, got 290,066 votes or 39.61 per cent. The People's Partnership received a total of 46.65 per cent of the votes.
Independent Liberal Party (ILP) won 5,123 votes while the COP won 6.01 per cent or 43,991 votes.
PNM candidate for Arouca/Maloney Camile Robinson-Regis won the most votes overall with 14,843 out of 18,200 valid votes cast.
The highest number of eligible voters came from the constituency of Moruga/Tableland with 21,132 valid votes. That seat was won by PNM's Dr Lovell Francis.
Of the leaders of the two major political parties, UNC and PNM, Persad-Bissessar won 14,896 votes of the 19,651 valid votes while Dr Keith Rowley won 12,855 of the 16,907 valid votes.
Post by: asylumseeker on September 15, 2015, 07:32:32 PM
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PNM candidate for Arouca/Maloney Camile Robinson-Regis won the most votes overall with 14,843 out of 18,200 valid votes cast.
The highest number of eligible voters came from the constituency of Moruga/Tableland with 21,132 valid votes. That seat was won by PNM's Dr Lovell Francis.
Of the leaders of the two major political parties, UNC and PNM, Persad-Bissessar won 14,896 votes of the 19,651 valid votes while Dr Keith Rowley won 12,855 of the 16,907 valid votes.
Most votes overall? Percentage wise?!? Maybe that's what is meant?.?
Post by: Bakes on September 15, 2015, 07:48:28 PM
1. Senator Clarence Rambharat, Minister of Agriculture and Land Resources
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Haven't always agreed with everything he wrote, but I found his columns to be intelligent, on point... and above all else very fair. Never had an inkling that he was pro-PNM until his candidacy was leaked on Facebook. He a very smart fella who gave up a lucrative career in Canada to come back home and heed the call of service in his native Mayaro community.
6. MP Nicole Olivierre, Minister of Energy and Energy Affairs
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What's the scoop on her... anybody know? Energy is a very important portfolio and we need somebody with vision running this. I know Kevin Ramnarine from primary school days, we ere in class together up until Common Entrants when it was discovered he was too young to sit with us... his mother taught both of us. On the strength of that I gave him the benefit of the doubt, but while there's nothing I could really blame him for, I don't see anything I could credit him for either. 5 years went by with nary a public comment... not what we need when energy production is our main natural resource.
7. MP Colm Imbert, Minister of Finance
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As an individual, this man has the personality of the south end of a horse facing north. Thin-skinned and crotchety for no reason, the polar opposite of the temperance one should exhibit when in public office. That being said, he too is a smart fella and I believe that his actual service in public office has been commendable. Now as for what ca a civil engineer could bring to the portfolio of finance... that is anyone's guess.
17. MP Darryl Smith, Minister of Sport and Youth Affairs
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What part of a football this man ever see? Kidding, not the most important portfolio, but one which enjoys a high profile. He has quite a task at hand in dealing with all the various sporting bodies, not the least of which being the TTFA. Hopefully the two bodies can now find a way to mutually seek the best interest of local football.
18. MP Shamfa Cudjoe, Minister of Tourism
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Rising f**king star! Nuff said.
19. Senator Paula Gopee-Scoon, Minister of Trade and Industry
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Supposedly she son plays soccer for Princeton... ent figure out who yet, though. Great school, good program.
Post by: pull stones on September 16, 2015, 01:20:23 AM
i think it's very disrespectful to the nation that she didn't make an official speech saying that she has accepted defeat and will not further pursue the court proceedings in regard to the legitimacy of the election results. honestly i think the actions of this lady it is my sincere opinion that she is petty and void of class, specifically to concede on social media especial when she has access to so many mainstream media outlets.
does this speech amount to the fact that she's done/ through /over with the inquiry into the election legitimacy or not?
Post by: kaliman2006 on September 16, 2015, 06:29:31 AM
i am hearing all kinds of irrelevant things but what i am not hearing is whether or not kamla conceded in terms of "did she drop the inquiry into the elections going one extra hour, or is she still going through with it?"
i think it's very disrespectful to the nation that she didn't make an official speech saying that she has accepted defeat and will not further pursue the court proceedings in regard to the legitimacy of the election results. honestly i think the actions of this lady it is my sincere opinion that she is petty and void of class, specifically to concede on social media especial when she has access to so many mainstream media outlets.
does this speech amount to the fact that she's done/ through /over with the inquiry into the election legitimacy or not?
That is precisely the question. How can Mrs. Persad-Bissessar concede for the second time on facebook and then have the UNC legal team go ahead with its challenge of the election results on the grounds of the EBC's extension of the polling division close times?
Isn't she an attorney? Can she not see the inherent contradiction in her public statements and actions?
I fear that she is becoming mentally unstable.
Post by: pull stones on September 16, 2015, 02:49:25 PM
yup, i watch the news this morning on line and saw where she is still going through with the inquiry in court with her legal team. i believe that this is very dangerous for the country and she may cause serious discord in the nation amongst the population. this woman is now acting like a person who have something very much so to hide and is fearful of an indictment, and what's worst is that she actually doesn't have one person on her team who could reach out to her and tell her that she is being ridiculous and harmful to the nation, and this kind of behavior is scary and indicative of someone who has dictatorial ambitions. this is not good.i am hearing all kinds of irrelevant things but what i am not hearing is whether or not kamla conceded in terms of "did she drop the inquiry into the elections going one extra hour, or is she still going through with it?"
i think it's very disrespectful to the nation that she didn't make an official speech saying that she has accepted defeat and will not further pursue the court proceedings in regard to the legitimacy of the election results. honestly i think the actions of this lady it is my sincere opinion that she is petty and void of class, specifically to concede on social media especial when she has access to so many mainstream media outlets.
does this speech amount to the fact that she's done/ through /over with the inquiry into the election legitimacy or not?
That is precisely the question. How can Mrs. Persad-Bissessar concede for the second time on facebook and then have the UNC legal team go ahead with its challenge of the election results on the grounds of the EBC's extension of the polling division close times?
Isn't she an attorney? Can she not see the inherent contradiction in her public statements and actions?
I fear that she is becoming mentally unstable.
Post by: Socapro on September 16, 2015, 02:59:41 PM
yup, i watch the news this morning on line and saw where she is still going through with the inquiry in court with her legal team. i believe that this is very dangerous for the country and she may cause serious discord in the nation amongst the population. this woman is now acting like a person who have something very much so to hide and is fearful of an indictment, and what's worst is that she actually doesn't have one person on her team who could reach out to her and tell her that she is being ridiculous and harmful to the nation, and this kind of behavior is scary and indicative of someone who has dictatorial ambitions. this is not good.i am hearing all kinds of irrelevant things but what i am not hearing is whether or not kamla conceded in terms of "did she drop the inquiry into the elections going one extra hour, or is she still going through with it?"
i think it's very disrespectful to the nation that she didn't make an official speech saying that she has accepted defeat and will not further pursue the court proceedings in regard to the legitimacy of the election results. honestly i think the actions of this lady it is my sincere opinion that she is petty and void of class, specifically to concede on social media especial when she has access to so many mainstream media outlets.
does this speech amount to the fact that she's done/ through /over with the inquiry into the election legitimacy or not?
That is precisely the question. How can Mrs. Persad-Bissessar concede for the second time on facebook and then have the UNC legal team go ahead with its challenge of the election results on the grounds of the EBC's extension of the polling division close times?
Isn't she an attorney? Can she not see the inherent contradiction in her public statements and actions?
I fear that she is becoming mentally unstable.
Just remember that Kamla said if her party don't win the elections there will be blood in the streets.
I think she should take 100% blame for all the racist statements that many of her party supporters have been spewing on social media since her party lost the elections.
Post by: pull stones on September 16, 2015, 03:13:27 PM
did she really say that? wow that is extremely irresponsible for a democratic leader to relay unto her supporters. it would be nice to actually see this party dismantled and disbanded like so many other political parties that existed in trinidad and tobago in the past. we don't need these kinds of miscreants in leadership positions in our nation's highest offices.yup, i watch the news this morning on line and saw where she is still going through with the inquiry in court with her legal team. i believe that this is very dangerous for the country and she may cause serious discord in the nation amongst the population. this woman is now acting like a person who have something very much so to hide and is fearful of an indictment, and what's worst is that she actually doesn't have one person on her team who could reach out to her and tell her that she is being ridiculous and harmful to the nation, and this kind of behavior is scary and indicative of someone who has dictatorial ambitions. this is not good.i am hearing all kinds of irrelevant things but what i am not hearing is whether or not kamla conceded in terms of "did she drop the inquiry into the elections going one extra hour, or is she still going through with it?"
i think it's very disrespectful to the nation that she didn't make an official speech saying that she has accepted defeat and will not further pursue the court proceedings in regard to the legitimacy of the election results. honestly i think the actions of this lady it is my sincere opinion that she is petty and void of class, specifically to concede on social media especial when she has access to so many mainstream media outlets.
does this speech amount to the fact that she's done/ through /over with the inquiry into the election legitimacy or not?
That is precisely the question. How can Mrs. Persad-Bissessar concede for the second time on facebook and then have the UNC legal team go ahead with its challenge of the election results on the grounds of the EBC's extension of the polling division close times?
Isn't she an attorney? Can she not see the inherent contradiction in her public statements and actions?
I fear that she is becoming mentally unstable.
Just remember that Kamla said if her party don't win the elections there will be blood in the streets.
I think she should take 100% blame for all the racist statements that many of her party supporters have been spewing on social media since her party lost the elections.
Post by: Sando prince on September 18, 2015, 06:21:22 PM
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Post by: Bourbon on September 18, 2015, 06:26:00 PM
Post by: Sando prince on September 18, 2015, 06:51:41 PM
Post by: Brownsugar on September 18, 2015, 08:37:20 PM
I believe the UNC executive knows very well they have little to no chance of winning this fight in court. This is a move to rally their base support. If they can have their supporters believe the election was stolen this will keep their supporters behind the call of the rising sun and add more hatred fuel towards the PNM
And distract the base from the real issue of their Queen leading them to 5 defeats at every election since 2010. They will be too busy working themselves into a frenzy over this non issue to question their Queen and the leaders in the party.
In my layman's eyes, I don't think the petitions will succeed. But let's say they do and we have to go back to the polls in the 6 named marginals. The cut arse will be worse than before. And I personally going and campaign in St. Joseph to ensure Mr. Terrence Deyalsingh wins again (I woulda go Moruga since that result was real close, but that a lil too far..... ;D).
Oh and ah see Brent Sanko parading up and down the TV screen tonight on the news singing for his supper. Like the SIS money run out already. His cut arse will be worse than before. Damn arse.....
Post by: Socapro on September 18, 2015, 09:56:53 PM
I believe the UNC executive knows very well they have little to no chance of winning this fight in court. This is a move to rally their base support. If they can have their supporters believe the election was stolen this will keep their supporters behind the call of the rising sun and add more hatred fuel towards the PNM
In other words the UNC wants to keep their supporters in ignorance.
How could the UNC have known that they were ahead in all the marginal’s at 6pm unless they were breaking elections rules and had someone on the inside counting votes before the official counting had begun?
If I was a court judge I would insure that someone in UNC makes a jail for violating the elections rules by forwarding this ridiculous argument that they knew they were ahead in the marginal’s at 6pm.
It must also be noted that in the Marginal constituencies of Arima, Arouca/Maloney, D’Abadie/O’Meara, Lopinot/Bon Air West, San Fernando West, St Joseph and Tunapuna the PNM won by large margins ranging from 2K minimum to as much as 10K.
And even if the UNC illegally gained info that they were ahead in the marginal’s at 6 pm then they are also asking the public and court to believe that between 2,000 to 10,000 PNM people voted in each of the marginal seats in the last hour between 6 & 7pm while no PP people voted?!
Yeah right and I also believe that Kamla don't drink and always tells the truth. :bs:
There was only one marginal where the PNM victory was by less than 1000 votes and that was Moruga/Tableland where PNM won by 533 votes.
To balance that off UNC won the marginal seat of Barataria/San Juan by just 580 votes over the PNM.
It is quite likely that if the elections were held again in these two marginal constituencies that PNM will win Moruga/Tableland by a much larger margin and that the UNC will lose Barataria/San Juan to the PNM.
Does the UNC really want to test their luck with the electorate so soon again after annoying them more than enough over the last 5 years and 3 months?
The only point of taking this to court at this point is to establish more clearly in law if the EBC can legally decide to extend the voting time during elections in the future to allow eligible voters a decent chance to exercise their democratic right to vote if there is similar case of adverse weather conditions during the day of the elections.
I don't think any serious court will declare the elections null and void once the EBC demonstrates that its decision was done to allow the maximum number of T&T citizens the opportunity to exercise their democratic right to vote for any party they wanted to on Election Day despite the adverse weather conditions that made it difficult for many to make it to the polling stations.
Post by: Bourbon on September 19, 2015, 01:34:04 AM
Post by: pull stones on September 19, 2015, 06:29:28 AM
i believe it's a really down right dirty strategy on the UNC's path to derail the new government from fully implementing their plans. ant the judges in trinidad in my opinion cannot be trusted. i am also very disappointed with dr rowley for not even addressing this distraction in the least, and was very silent on the whole issue. i hope to god that they would deal with this foolishness and allow the elected government resume the business of governing the country.
there is never a dull moment in the politics of trinidad and tobago, and if we think this will be all,then stay tuned to your sets because there's more drama waiting in the wings.
Post by: asylumseeker on September 19, 2015, 06:50:08 AM
Post by: pull stones on September 19, 2015, 07:05:24 AM
Better that the PM not engage the UNC challenge. He has nothing to gain from entering into that public conversation.what if , and i am saying this hypothetically, but lets suppose that they are obliged and a judge rule in their favor to re-contest these six seats, then what? rowley needs to cross all his Ts and dot all his Is when dealing with these people. they have proven without a doubt that they should not be taken lightly. the fact that they have all these legal professionals in their cabal, they must know that there are some loopholes in the law that they could exploit to advance their cause.
i believe it would be wise of rowley if he would at least do some damage control to off set this damper.
Post by: Socapro on September 19, 2015, 07:26:01 AM
By SEAN DOUGLAS Saturday, September 19 2015 (T&T Newsday)
THE United National Congress (UNC) last night won round one in its battle against the September 7 general results when Justice Mira Dean Armorer ruled that the party’s election petition can move forward and be heard before the courts.
This as the UNC made good on its promise to use the courts as its avenue to have the election result overturned on the ground that a decision to extend the voting time in Trinidad by one hour, was illegal.
Attorneys Gerald Ramdeen and Wayne Sturge entered the Hall of Justice in Port-of- Spain yesterday afternoon where they appeared before Justice Mira Dean Armorer where they filed the petition. Elections and Boundaries Commission (EBC) chairman Norbert Masson was present at the Hall of Justice.
The crux of the UNC’s case for filing the petition surrounds the EBC’s decision to extend by one hour, the deadline for voting from the usual 6 pm to 7 pm on election day on account of inclement weather. The UNC contends that this extra hour worked against the People’s Partnership push for victory. Persad-Bissessar has claimed that at 6 pm on the day of the election, her party was ahead of the People’s National Movement (PNM).
The general election results showed the PNM winning the election and forming the new government by a margin of 23 seats to the UNC’s 17 seats and one seat for the COP. Two days after the general election, PNM leader Keith Rowley was sworn in as Prime Minister.
The UNC is challenging the results in six seats namely the crucial marginal seats of San Fernando West, St Joseph, La Horquetta/ Talparo, Toco/Sangre Grande, Moruga/ Tableland and Tunapuna.
UNC candidate for Toco/Sangre Grande and former Sport Minister Brent Sancho was seen entering the Hall of Justice.
The UNC was seeking the court’s leave to file a suit challenging the result of the election on the basis of the EBC wrongfully extending voting time by one hour.
After Justice Dean Armorer granted the UNC leave to file its claim against the general election result, Masson and EBC attorneys left the Hall of Justice and stormed past the battery of reporters gathered outside the Hall of Justice.
Attorney Wayne Sturge said the ruling was a slap in the face of Attorney General Faris Al Rawi who said the petition was vexatious and without merit.
“Contrary to what was espoused by the Attorney General that this was a vexatious petiton that was without merit, this stage was to weed out applications that are indeed vexatious and the court has found that there is merit in our petition.
We got leave to file our application,” Sturge said.
Post by: Sando prince on September 19, 2015, 09:00:53 AM
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Post by: Socapro on September 19, 2015, 10:17:05 AM
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I guess the UNC is hoping that the EBC did not keep a record of this request for an extension from UNC candidate David Anthony Lee who was contesting Point-A-Pierre?
Another point that is going to make it very difficult for the UNC to win its case about their party being put at a disadvantage by the 1 hour extension.
The reality is that the UNC/PP would have benefitted just as much from the one hour extension as the PNM and other parties did and it was a reasonable decision that was made by the EBC based on the weather conditions.
Maybe if the UNC did more to reduce regular flooding in T&T during their time in office then the EBC would not have found it necessary to extend the voting time by an hour due to the bad weather to allow voters experiencing traffic delays getting to their polling stations before 6pm.
Post by: Socapro on September 19, 2015, 10:22:57 AM
It should also be brought up in this case by the EBC chairman Norbert Masson and his EBC attorneys regards the worrying matter that the UNC has claimed that they knew they were ahead at 6pm before the official counting of votes had started.
Now how was the UNC/PP to know they were ahead at 6pm in the marginal constituencies unless they illegally had people inside the polling stations of all the marginal constituencies counting the votes before the official legal count started after 7pm? They need to explain that to the court as it is most worrying.
Another thing that seems quite impossible in the marginal constituencies where the UNC wants to have the elections results nullified is how could so many PNM voters have voted in the last hour between 6pm & 7pm while no UNC/PP voters voted during this same period?
If the UNC is able to get past the above about how they were able to LEGALLY find out that they were ahead at 6pm in the six marginal seats of San Fernando West, St Joseph, La Horquetta/Talparo, Toco/Sangre Grande, Moruga/ Tableland and Tunapuna where they want to challenge the results;
Then the UNC also needs to prove to the courts that in:-
San Fernando West (where PNM polled 10,112 votes and UNC polled 6,802 votes):
UNC must prove that PNM gained over 3,310 votes between 6pm & 7pm while the UNC gained 0 votes during this extra last hour.
St Joseph (where PNM polled 10,536 votes and UNC polled 8,903 votes):
UNC must prove that PNM gained over 1,634 votes between 6pm & 7pm while the UNC gained 0 votes during this extra last hour.
La Horquetta/Talparo (where PNM polled 10,428 votes and UNC polled 7,606 votes):
UNC must prove that PNM gained over 2,822 votes between 6pm & 7pm while the UNC gained 0 votes during this extra last hour.
Toco/Sangre Grande (where PNM polled 12,005 votes and UNC polled 8,101 votes):
UNC must prove that PNM gained over 3,904 votes between 6pm & 7pm while the UNC gained 0 votes during this extra last hour.
Tunapuna (where PNM polled 11,228 votes and UNC polled 7,613 votes):
UNC must prove that PNM gained over 3,615 votes between 6pm & 7pm while the UNC gained 0 votes during this extra last hour.
The only seat where UNC may have a serious argument that they could have lost because of the extra hour if they were indeed ahead at 6pm is Moruga/Tableland. But again how could UNC legally know they were ahead at 6pm? Someone in the UNC must have been breaking the elections rules for them to know this!
Moruga/Tableland (where PNM polled 10,808 votes and UNC polled 10,275 votes):
UNC must prove that PNM gained over 533 votes between 6pm & 7pm while the UNC gained 0 votes during this extra last hour.
However PNM can also have the same sore-loser argument that they lost the marginal constituency of Barataria/San Juan by a similar margin due to the extra hour and ask for that seat to be contested again because they are unhappy about losing it.
Barataria/San Juan (where PNM polled 8,182 votes and UNC polled 8,722 votes):
Is it possible that UNC gained over 540 votes between 6pm & 7pm while the PNM gained 0 votes during this extra last hour?
We can speculate until the cow jumps over the moon but we can never be sure unless we were breaking the elections rules to start with by having folks inside the polling stations illegally counting the votes for each party before the official count had started.
The results in the marginal constituency of Moruga/Tableland in PNM's favour by 533 votes and in the marginal constituency of Barataria/San Juan in UNC's favour by 540 votes basically cancel out each other meaning that any unbiased judge after analysing the large margins of victory that PNM won by in the marginal’s that UNC is disputing will sensibly throw out the UNC's case if the case ever gets to this point.
Hopefully the case will help to clarify if the EBC can legally take similar action in the future in the interest of the democratic process. However there is no doubt that any unbiased court will ensure that the results of the 2015 elections stand in the interest of democracy in T&T as the UNC cannot legally prove to any sane judge that the extra hour was to their or any other party's disadvantage based on the circumstances.
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Post by: Socapro on September 19, 2015, 11:26:06 AM
Published: Saturday, September 19, 2015 (T&T Guardian)
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Elections and Boundaries Commission chairman Dr Norbert Masson is swarmed by the media as he leaves the High Court in Port-of-Spain last night, after the United National Congress was granted leave to challenge election results in six constituencies. Photo: ABRAHAM DIAZ
The United National Congress (UNC) has crossed the first hurdle in its challenge of the Elections and Boundaries Commission’s decision to extend last Monday’s general election voting by one hour due to rainy weather.
Lawyers representing the UNC, which lost the election to the PNM 23-18, last night received leave to pursue their petitions from High Court Judge Mira Dean-Armour after an emergency hearing in the Port-of-Spain High Court which ended after 7 pm.
Media personnel were not allowed in the court for the hearing, which was attended by unsuccessful UNC candidate for Toco/Manzanilla Brent Sancho and EBC chairman Dr Norbert Masson.
In a brief interview after the case, attorney Wayne Sturge claimed the result vindicated former prime minister and UNC political leader Kamla Persad-Bissessar, who first took issue with the EBC’s decision after her party’s election defeat.
“This is a slap in the face of those who believed that it was frivolous and vexatious. This shows that the rule of law prevails and in due course we will get our justice,” Sturge said.
Given Dean-Armour’s ruling, the lawyers will now have to file the petitions and will then have to wait for a date for the case to be heard.
“We feel that given past experience this is something that is dealt with expeditiously. We think it should be dealt with in the space of nine months,” Sturge said, adding that the eventual decision on the petitions could only be appealed to the Court of Appeal and not to this country’s final court, the United Kingdom-based Privy Council.
The UNC was also represented by Gerald Ramdeen. The EBC was not represented by any attorneys during the hearing, which was held ex-parte.
The UNC is claiming that the EBC’s rules and the Constitution give the EBC only the power to adjourn an election in instances of public violence and not the power to extend the traditional election timeframe of 6 am to 6 pm. The party is seeking to have the court declare the results in six marginal constituencies null and void. The disputed constituencies are San Fernando West, La Horquetta/Talparo, Toco/Sangre Grande, Tunapuna, St Joseph and Moruga/Tableland.
In the event the party is successful the court may order that by-elections be held or may possibly rule that a declaration that the EBC breached its powers be granted.
Responding to the UNC’s initial threat of the petitions last week, the EBC defended its position and said that section 71 of the Constitution gave it autonomy to manage the registration of voters and the conduct of the election in an unfettered manner.
Election results in disputed constituencies
Constituency UNC PNM
San Fernando West 6,802 10,112
La Horquetta/Talparo 7,606 10,428
Tunapuna 7,613 11,228
St Joseph 8,903 10,536
Moruga/Tableland 10,275 10,808
Toco/Sangre Grande 8,101 12,005
Post by: Sando prince on September 19, 2015, 11:47:24 AM
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So what is the criteria for only challenging the six seats that they (the UNC) lost and not the others?
Post by: Socapro on September 19, 2015, 11:55:50 AM
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If UNC has a case to dispute the results in those marginal constituencies because of the extra hour then PNM also has a case to dispute the results in Barataria/San Juan, Point-A-Pierre, Chaguanas East, Mayaro, Cumuto/Manzanilla & Fyzabad since the UNC could also have benefitted from an extra hour of voting in those constituencies?
The only reason I agree with this case going ahead is because it will hopefully give the EBC clearer guidelines for the future about its power to extend the voting time by an hour in the interest of the democratic process due to bad weather conditions or other circumstances.
The fact that the UNC had agreed to the extension of the time when they got the news at their headquarters around 2:30pm on election day and sent out messages to its voters to take advantage of the extra hour should work against the UNC winning this case in claiming any disadvantage outside of their track record and performance over the past 5 years & 3 months.
In addition one of the UNC candidates in Point-a-Pierre also requested extra voting time to the EBC in writing due to two of the polling stations in his constituency not opening promptly at 6am.
I don't think the UNC can win the case of getting the election results nullified in those marginal constituencies unless they can clearly prove that the extra hour was to their voters’ disadvantage rather than advantage.
I believe what the UNC is trying to do here is similar to what they were trying to do with the failed "Run-off Bill" for the Marginal constituencies because they believe they have more spending power than PNM to be able to contest more than one election in a short space of time in these so-called marginal constituencies. What the UNC is not accounting for is that the general T&T electorate has decided that the UNC/PP blew their chance in power for good governance and couldn't wait to fire them from office. Going back again for By-Elections is likely to lead to even worse results for the UNC in these so-called marginal constituencies.
Post by: gawd on pitch on September 19, 2015, 03:03:35 PM
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If UNC has a case to dispute the results in those marginal constituencies because of the extra hour then PNM also has a case to dispute the results in Barataria/San Juan, Point-A-Pierre, Chaguanas East, Mayaro, Cumuto/Manzanilla & Fyzabad since the UNC could also have benefitted from an extra hour of voting in those constituencies?
The only reason I agree with this case going ahead is because it will hopefully give the EBC clearer guidelines for the future about its power to extend the voting time by an hour in the interest of the democratic process due to bad weather conditions or other circumstances.
The fact that the UNC had agreed to the extension of the time when they got the news at their headquarters around 2:30pm on election day and sent out messages to its voters to take advantage of the extra hour should work against the UNC winning this case in claiming any disadvantage outside of their track record and performance over the past 5 years & 3 months.
In addition one of the UNC candidates in Point-a-Pierre also requested extra voting time to the EBC in writing due to two of the polling stations in his constituency not opening promptly at 6am.
I don't think the UNC can win the case of getting the election results nullified in those marginal constituencies unless they can clearly prove that the extra hour was to their voters’ disadvantage rather than advantage.
I believe what the UNC is trying to do here is similar to what they were trying to do with the failed "Run-off Bill" for the Marginal constituencies because they believe they have more spending power than PNM to be able to contest more than one election in a short space of time in these so-called marginal constituencies. What the UNC is not accounting for is that the general T&T electorate has decided that the UNC/PP blew their chance in power and couldn't wait to fire them from office. Going back again for By-Elections is likely to lead to even worse results for the UNC in these so-called marginal constituencies.
You hit it right on the head Soca.
Post by: MEP on September 19, 2015, 09:04:19 PM
Post by: Socapro on September 20, 2015, 08:46:22 AM
By Shaliza Hassanali (T&T Guardian)
Published: Sunday, September 20, 2015
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Former attorney general Ramesh Lawrence Maharaj
Despite being granted leave by the High Court to challenge the election results of six United National Congress (UNC) seats, former attorney general Ramesh Lawrence Maharaj is maintaining that there is “no legal basis” under the Constitution for this matter to succeed.
Yesterday, Maharaj spoke about Justice Mira Dean-Armorer’s decision, stating that even though leave was granted “the court can still dismiss it as an abuse of process.”
Maharaj said when a court grants leave, arguments are heard and detailed facts presented on both sides.
He said people were granted leave to either apply for judicial review or file an election petition.
“When the judge sees all the facts and listens to both sides, he could find there is no basis for it. One must always remember that under the Representation of the People Act, for an election petition to succeed, the person who files the petition must convince the court that the election results would have been different, if the impugned action did not occur.”
Maharaj said he had no doubt that “the court would rule against the UNC.”
Maharaj drew reference to a 2000 election petition filed by the PNM, arguing that the UNC’s Winston Peters and William Chaitan were citizens of the United States and Canada, respectively, when they filed their nominations papers to contest the general election.
“I was the attorney general at that time. I can tell the population that these election petitions would not succeed.”
Post by: Socapro on September 20, 2015, 08:58:23 AM
Analysts weigh in on High Court’s decision on general election results in six seats... (http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-09-20/it%E2%80%99s-rule-law)
By Shaliza Hassanali (T&T Guardian)
Published: Sunday, September 20, 2015
Political analyst Dr Indira Rampersad says Friday’s granting of leave by the High Court to the United National Congress (UNC) to challenge the results in six seats which it contested in the general election will set “a historical precedent in this country and the Caribbean.”
“I am not sure what will be the outcome of this case. It has to go through the court’s process,” Rampersad said yesterday. However, political analyst Maukesh Basdeo said, “It is really the interpretation of the law itself, whether the EBC had the powers to extend the voting time. The real determination is in the interpretation of the law. The EBC is making the claim that it had the right to do so.”
Post by: Socapro on September 20, 2015, 09:05:21 AM
By Rhonda Krystal Rambally (T&T Guardian)
Published: Sunday, September 20, 2015
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PNM chairman & Minister of Rural Development
and Local Government, Franklin Khan
The People’s National Movement (PNM) says it is not unduly perturbed by the ruling on the general election by a High Court judge on Friday.
In fact, PNM chairman Franklin Khan said the party’s lawyers indicated that the UNC did not stand a chance of victory, “but it is the law.” He called it a “smokescreen.”
“What they are doing is challenging the victory of the PNM candidates.” He said the UNC was trying to avoid the radar about its internal troubles. Khan said, “You have a leader there who has lost five consecutive elections now...that is their story. We will focus on governing this country in a fair and equitable manner.”
Khan was responding to questions by the media after the PNM held its Eighth General Council meeting at Balisier House in Port-of-Spain, yesterday. He said, “You can go through the route of an election petition which they have been granted leave to so do.
Obviously, once due process has started, we have no comments to make. “It is largely a matter between the UNC and the EBC, whether they acted within their remit and their jurisdiction. “However, because the petition is specific to six constituencies, our MPs will be party to the petition.”
Ronald Huggins is new PNM PRO
Meanwhile, Ronald Huggins is now the PRO of the PNM. He has replaced Faris Al-Rawi, who resigned from the position. Huggins, who comes from the St Joseph constituency, will hold the post until the party’s election in the future.
Post by: Socapro on September 20, 2015, 09:34:36 AM
By Camille Hunte (T&T Express)
Published on Sep 19, 2015, 9:29 pm AST
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'Serious Party': PNM chairman Franklin Khan, right, announces the suspension of three party members during yesterday's media briefing while party general secretary Ashton Ford looks on. —Photo: CURTIS CHASE
THE People's National Movement (PNM) has officially expelled new United National Congress MP for Mayaro Rushton Paray from the PNM and has suspended three other PNM members.
And the PNM headquarters is set to get a much-needed facelift over the next year, according to PNM chairman Franklin Khan.
Briefing the media following the party's general council meeting yesterday, Khan said the party has established a building fund to aid in the reconstruction of Balisier House, which will be managed by a committee headed by PNM deputy political leader, policy Rohan Sinanan.
Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley will be contributing his entire first month's salary to the fund, Khan announced.
Construction will begin in 2016 on a “more modern” office, Khan said, adding the PNM is the only party which owns its headquarters.
“We have pride as the only political party that has a home because everybody else is renting. I must go on record to say that the UNC is a tenant or a squatter at Rienzi Complex, which belongs to the All Trinidad General Workers' Trade Union.”
“We have Balisier House; it is in a semi-poor state because it is a very old, historical building.”
Balisier House, which is located on Tranquillity Street in Port of Spain, has been the home of the PNM since 1960 and has been showing signs of aging for some time.
Khan said though several designs were being considered, the historical architecture of the building would be preserved as much as possible. He could not say how much the rebuilding would cost.
Khan also announced that St Joseph community activist Ronald Huggins would serve as the party's public relations officer (PRO) since the resignation of former PRO Faris Al-Rawi. Al-Rawi resigned from the position in order to focus on his new role as Attorney General.
Talk show host, activists suspended
Khan also announced yesterday that the general council of the PNM has taken a decision to suspend three of its members, pending investigations by the party's disciplinary committee.
Disciplinary proceedings have been initiated against radio host Ricardo “Gladiator” Welch and activists Christine “Twiggy” Levia and Barry Garcia, all card-holding members of the PNM.
Welch has been a member of the PNM since 1990, Garcia since 1992 and Levia since 1968.
Additionally, Rushton Paray, who won the Mayaro seat on a United National Congress (UNC) ticket, has been expelled from the party.
Paray became a member of the PNM on October 8, 2008.
“The party's constitution is clear that if you are a card-holding member of the PNM and you contest an election against the party, that leads to automatic expulsion,” Khan said. “As we speak, he has been officially expelled from the PNM.”
Explaining the council's decision, Khan said it was in keeping with the constitution of the party.
“At the end of the day, we are a serious party that is governed by rules and regulations. Our longevity, 60 years as a premium political institution, is largely based on our robust internal processes and procedures.
“We have survived this length of time because of the constitution of the PNM, which we adhere to religiously. Based on this, we saw it fit to initiate disciplinary action against these three people who transgressed beyond reason in their behaviour during the conduct of the election campaign.”
Khan noted Levia's lengthy membership and said she had “thrown away her long legacy in the PNM”.
Post by: Socapro on September 20, 2015, 09:39:41 AM
Sunday, September 20 2015 (T&T Newsday)
Two weeks after tasting victory in the September 7 general election, the People’s National Movement (PNM) yesterday moved to clean house as the party dispensed with four of its longstanding members, one of whom was immediately expelled while the others are before its disciplinary committee.
During the PNM’s general council meeting at Balisier House, Port-of-Spain — the first since its 23-18 win over the People’s Partnership coalition — the party also scoffed at the United National Congress’ court petition challenging the election results and in the same breath, announced long-awaited plans to begin the reconstruction of Balisier House next year.
Expelled from the PNM’s fold with immediate effect yesterday was Mayaro MP Rushton Paray, a card-holding member of the party, who contested the marginal seat on a UNC ticket in the general election.
Paray won the seat over the PNM’s candidate, attorney Clarence Rambharat, who has since been appointed Minister of Agriculture in the new Dr Keith Rowley-led administration.
PNM Chairman Franklin Khan said the party’s constitution was clear on members who contested elections against the party.
“The party’s constitution is clear that if you are a card-holding member of the PNM and you contest an election against the party, that leads to automatic expulsion, so the automatic expulsion was initiated on Mr Rushton Paray. He is now the Member of Parliament for Mayaro and he was a card-holding member of the PNM,” Khan told reporters at the post general council news briefing.
Khan presented documents which showed that Paray, a businessman and president of the Mayaro Chamber of Commerce, was admitted to the PNM on October 8, 2008.
“So, as we speak he has been officially expelled from the People’s National Movement,” he added.
Disciplinary proceedings, Khan announced, also have been launched against three other PNMites — controversial radio talk show host Ricardo Welch, otherwise known as the Gladiator, one-time PNM activist and vocal supporter Christine “Twiggy” Levia and member Barry Garcia. The latter had openly supported Pennelope Beckles-Robinson for leadership of the party.
“Whereas Mr Paray was led to automatic expulsion, the others we have to initiate disciplinary proceedings as per the constitution and the constitution indicates that any member whose conduct is in the question of the general council inimical to the interests of the movement shall be liable to disciplinary action as the general council may determine so disciplinary proceedings were initiated today against three members of the PNM,” he said, naming Welch, Levia and Garcia as the members, who were now before the investigative arm of the disciplinary committee.
Khan said Welch joined the PNM in 1990 while Levia and Garcia were accepted into the party’s fold on January 1, 1968 and April 13, 1982, respectively.
The PNM chairman said the trio were suspended pending the outcome of the investigation after they “transgressed beyond reason during the conduct of the election.” He said: “At the end of the day, we are a serious party, one that is governed by rules and regulations. Our longevity, 60 years as a premium political institution, is largely based on our robust internal processes. We have survived this length of time because of the processes of the People’s National Movement which we adhere to religiously and based on this, we saw it fit to initiate disciplinary action on these three people.” During the briefing, Khan also responded to the Justice Dean Mira Dean Armorer’s ruling in the High Court on Friday, which gave the greenlight to the UNC to proceed with its legal challenge of the general election results.
The UNC is seeking to have the results overturned on grounds that the Elections and Boundaries Commission’s (EBC’s) decision to extend the voting time in Trinidad by one hour was illegal.
Khan said the UNC was free to challenge the general election result.
“There is due process in Trinidad and Tobago. They have gone the route of an election petition which they have been granted leave to so do,” he said.
“Obviously, once due process has started we have no comment to make. It is largely a matter between the EBC and the UNC, on whether the EBC acted within their remit and jurisdiction.” Khan said the PNM’s candidates, who contested the six marginal constituencies in question, were party to the petition.
“Our lawyers have indicated that they do not stand the ghost of a chance of victory but it is law and due process has to take place. We are not overly perturbed by that
Post by: Bakes on September 23, 2015, 12:45:27 PM
Post by: MEP on September 23, 2015, 01:09:54 PM
Post by: pull stones on September 23, 2015, 02:29:16 PM
Post by: Sando prince on September 23, 2015, 02:31:29 PM
who is the speaker of the house?
do a simple search
Post by: gawd on pitch on September 23, 2015, 03:17:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/mzm1sVwAXIc
Wow... Just wow. He really captured the last 5 years in 5 minutes.
This reminds me of the yearly "Rap up" that Mad Skillz does..
Post by: gawd on pitch on September 23, 2015, 03:22:07 PM
Post by: soccerman on September 23, 2015, 05:40:38 PM
Post by: Socapro on September 28, 2015, 04:52:28 PM
By Radhica Sookraj (T&T Newsday)
Published: Sunday, September 27, 2015
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Attorney General Faris Al-Rawi greets Yvonne Mahabir at the funeral service of her husband Errol Mahabir at St Paul’s Anglican Church, Harris Promenade, San Fernando, on Friday:
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In what has been described as gross disrespect to the dead, Attorney General Faris Al-Rawi was served an election petition while attending the funeral service of PNM stalwart Errol Mahabir on Friday.
Al-Rawi, who expressed displeasure at the manner in which the petition was served, said he was shocked when a man walked up to him and thrust the document in his face.
He said he was in the middle of expressing his condolences to Yvonne Mahabir, the widow of the late former PNM deputy political leader and minister of petroleum and mines in the cabinet of Dr Eric Williams, when the process server came holding the document. He informed Al-Rawi that he had a document to serve concerning an Elections and Boundaries Commission matter.
Al-Rawi said he told the man that he was in a church. He explained he was a public officer and he was not in hiding so he did not understand why he had to be served this document at the funeral service.
However, Al-Rawi said, the man informed him he had to immediately serve the document, which was the election petition by the United National Congress with respect to San Fernando West.
Advising the man to wait for an appropriate time to serve the document, Al-Rawi said he was utterly amazed when the process server threw the document at his feet and left saying, “You are now served.”
Saying he was disturbed that the man would show such gross disrespect at a funeral service, Al-Rawi said he was never more surprised by the man’s behaviour. He said in all his years of practice in litigation matters, he has never witnessed such an incident, especially in the middle of a funeral.
The AG revealed that following the funeral service he contacted former attorney general Anand Ramlogan, Gerald Ramdeen and Kelvin Ramkissoon. All of them were listed as lawyers in the election petition. However, both Ramlogan and Ramdeen claimed they were unaware that the petition was served at the funeral. Both men denied giving any instruction to serve the document at the funeral. Al-Rawi said he also contacted Ramkissoon who expressed surprise that his name was listed on the election petition.
Ramkissoon also denied giving any instruction for the document to be given at a funeral, Al-Rawi added.
The AG said while he accepted that members of the UNC were anxious to serve the election petition, he was certain that the people of T&T would appreciate more decorum and class in conducting the affairs of political parties.
He also said that several members of the UNC, including deputy political leader Dr Roodal Moonilal, were present at the funeral when the document was served.
Moonilal: I know nothing about that.
In a text message last night, Moonilal denied knowledge of the incident. He wrote, “I know nothing about that at all.” He said, “Al-Rawi approached me after a very meaningful service for a dear friend and mentor Errol Mahabir and I told him this is not the time or the place. I then brushed past him.”
Sturge: Document was served after formal part of proceedings
Meanwhile, attorney Wayne Sturge told CNC3 last night that it was difficult to serve Al-Rawi with the document because of his security detail. Sturge added that the document was served after the formal part of the funeral proceedings had ended. Saying the man who served the petition was not directed as to how to serve the document, Sturge explained that it was up to the man to use his discretion. He noted that the document could not be served in court or in Parliament.
Sturge also said that there was a timeframe for the election petition to be served, noting that it had been difficult to serve the document. He said after the High Court granted leave to file the petition, lawyers representing the PNM were asked if they would accept service of the petition, instead of having the petitioner personally served, and they declined.
Sturge said the UNC had to employ the services of a process service. He noted that the Toco/Sangre Grande MP Glenda Jennings-Smith, Moruga/Tableland MP Lovell Francis and La Horquetta/Talparo MP Maxie Cuffie were served on Thursday.
St Joseph MP Terrence Deyalsingh and Tunapuna MP Esmond Forde are yet to be served.
Post by: Brownsugar on September 28, 2015, 05:10:25 PM
who is the speaker of the house?
Bridgette Annisette-George
Post by: Deeks on September 28, 2015, 05:36:35 PM
who is the speaker of the house?
Bridgette Annisette-George
I do hope she doh bust a Mark in the parliament.
Post by: Socapro on October 01, 2015, 11:01:46 PM
Appeal Court has month to weigh EBC challenge (http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-09-30/appeal-court-has-month-weigh-ebc-challenge)
Published: Thursday, October 1, 2015 (T&T Guardian)
The Court of Appeal has almost a month to set the date for the hearing of the appeal against the United National Congress’ (UNC) election petitions challenging the one-hour extension of the general election earlier this month.
With the Elections and Boundaries Commission (EBC) filing the appeal on Monday, the country’s second highest appellate court now has 28 days to finalise the hearing.
The T&T Guardian understands that UNC attorneys were served with the notice of the appeal being filed but are yet to receive the grounds being relied upon by the commission.
The issue of serving legal documents in the case shot to the public limelight after Attorney General Faris Al-Rawi complained of being harassed by a bailiff, Mark Adams, while attending the funeral last Friday of People’s National Movement stalwart Errol Mahabir.
Adams has since denied any wrongdoing as he claimed his actions were influenced by Al-Rawi attempting to evade him.
The UNC passed the first hurdle in its challenge against the EBC’s decision on September 18 when Justice Mira Dean-Armour ruled it had presented an arguable case with a realistic prospect of success.
The UNC, which lost the election to the PNM 23-18, is claiming that the EBC’s rules and the Constitution give the EBC only the power to adjourn an election in instances of public violence and not the power to extend the traditional election timeframe of 6 am to 6 pm.
The party is seeking to have the court declare the results in six marginal constituencies null and void.
The disputed constituencies are San Fernando West, La Horquetta/Talparo, Toco/Sangre Grande, Tunapuna, St Joseph and Moruga/Tableland.
In the event the party is successful the court may order that by-elections be held or may possibly rule that a declaration that the EBC breached its powers be granted.
The substantive case over the petitions will take place after the appeal is determined.
Post by: Socapro on October 01, 2015, 11:12:36 PM
By JADA LOUTOO Thursday, October 1 2015 (T&T Newsday)
LEAVING nothing to chance, six successful People’s National Movement (PNM) Members of Parliament are fighting back as they seek to have the United National Congress’ (UNC) election petitions against them dismissed by the appellate court.
The PNM parliamentarians who each won their respective seats in six disputed marginal constituencies of San Fernando West, La Horquetta/Talparo, Toco/Sangre Grande, Tunapuna, St Joseph and Moruga/Tableland, are now appealing the petitions filed against them by the United National Congress.
The election petitions, presented on September 22 by the UNC, seek to have the results in the six constituencies declared null and void by the courts.
The Opposition party, on September 18, received the permission of High Court judge, Justice Mira Dean-Armorer, to file the petitions on an argument that the Elections and Boundaries Commission had no power to extend September 7 General Election voting by one hour due to rainy weather.
However, in the notices of appeal filed by attorneys representing the six MP s, the six contend that the judge was wrong to grant leave. Her “presumed finding that the UNC candidates for the six marginals had presented sufficient evidence to justify the grant of leave” is being challenged by the PNM.
The six MPs — Attorney General Faris Al-Rawi (San Fernando West); Maxie Cuffie (La Horquetta/Talparo); Glenda Jennings-Smith (Toco/Sangre Grande); Esmond Forde (Tunapuna); Terrence Deyalsingh (St Joseph) and Dr Lovell Francis (Moruga/Tableland) say the judge erred in law when she granted leave to the Opposition party, “in the absence of any evidence that anyone joined the lines to vote after 6 pm and was allowed to vote, and/or the number of such persons, such as to suggest that the result of the election might have been materially affected by the alleged unlawful extension of polling hours to 7 pm.” The appellate court is also being asked to set aside the leave granted by Justice Dean-Armorer and have the petitions dismissed.
In the notices of appeal, the winning parliamentarians also mentioned that they were not properly served with all the documents relative to the petitions.
Their service of the notice of appeals were done by electronic means (via email) in accordance with the Civil Proceedings Rules 1998 which provides for same.
The UNC’s attorneys were given 24 hours to respond, failing which there is the assumption that service of the documents were accepted.
The issue of service of the election petitions turned ugly last week when Attorney General Faris Al- Rawi, the sitting Member of Parliament for the San Fernando West seat, was served with his election petition at the funeral service for former minister Errol Mahabir. The service was effected by a bailiff who later claimed he was verbally abused by Al-Rawi.
Attorney for the UNC Wayne Sturge defended the actions of the bailiff. Relative to the petitions, the ruling PNM have repeatedly maintained that the party was not overly perturbed by the court granting leave to the UNC to contest the results of the six constituencies.
The party’s chairman, Minister Franklin Khan has said that the Opposition was free to pursue whatever course of action it wants.
“Our lawyers have indicated that they do not stand a ghost of a chance of victory but it is law and due process has to take place. We are not overly perturbed by that,” he said at a general council meeting, one day after the leave was granted by the court.
He added then, “Obviously, once due process has started we have no comment to make. It is largely a matter between the EBC and the UNC, on whether the EBC acted within their remit and jurisdiction.” Senior Counsel Douglas Mendes and attorney Michael Quamina are also representing the PNM.
EBC ALSO APPEALS
Also appealing the leave granted to the UNC is the Elections and Boundaries Commission (EBC).
A total of 12 grounds of appeal have been filed by the EBC’s lawyers Senior Counsel Russell Martineau, Deborah Peake and attorneys Ravi Heffes- Doon and Alana Bissessar.
The commission is also contending that the judge was wrong to grant leave to the Opposition to question the validity of the six successfully elected members of Parliament.
The EBC’s notice of appeal further takes issue with the failure of the UNC to establish that the election of the six MPs were invalid because of the decision to extend the hours of the poll by one hour. They also say the judge erred by granting leave in the absence of evidence that the extension of the polls had an effect on the results in the six constituencies.
The EBC also argues that the judge failed to consider that Section 35(3) of the Representation of the People’s Act states that no election shall be declared invalid by reason of any act by a Returning Officer if it appears to the court that the act did not materially affect the result of the election.
They also state that evidence that the election was affected was required for the granting of leave, so too verified facts as to the approximate number of votes cast between the hours of 6 pm and 7 pm and whether there was any material effect to the end results of the polls.
Also among the 12 grounds of appeal is a contention by the EBC that the election agent for the UNC, had by letter dated September 7, threatened the EBC with legal proceedings in the event it did not give notice to all presiding officers of the extended hours of the poll.
The Commission’s lawyers argue that the judge failed to consider this when she granted leave and as a result of her giving permission to present the petitions, erred in law.
The EBC is also seeking to have the judge’s order of leave set aside.
The UNC lost the election with 18 seats to the PNM’s 23 seats and is claiming that the EBC’s rules and the Constitution gave the EBC only the power to adjourn an election in instances of public violence and not the power to extend the traditional voting hours of 6 am to 6 pm.
Post by: Socapro on October 01, 2015, 11:22:52 PM
By Rickie Ramdass (T&T Express)
Published on Oct 1, 2015, 9:12 pm AST
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THE Court of Appeal is expected to set a date within the next 28 days to hear two appeals filed by the Elections and Boundaries Commission (EBC) and the People's National Movement (PNM) against the granting of leave to the United National Congress (UNC) to challenge the legality of the EBC's one-hour extension of the September 7 general election voting time.
On Tuesday, the PNM joined in on the looming legal battle between the EBC and the UNC when it filed its own appeal against the decision of Justice Mira Dean-Armorer, who granted leave to the UNC two weeks ago.
The UNC is seeking to have the election results in the six marginal constituencies of St Joseph, La Horquetta/Talparo, Toco/Sangre Grande, Tunapuna, Moruga/Tableland and San Fernando West, which were captured by the PNM, declared null and void.
It is contending that the decision taken by the EBC to extend the traditional voting time of 6 a.m. to 6 p.m. by an additional hour due to inclement weather was unlawful and that this move worked to the benefit of the PNM.
The PNM captured a total of 23 seats with the UNC getting 18.
On Monday, the EBC filed its appeal challenging Justice Dean-Armorer's granting of leave. Attorneys for the UNC have since received notice of both appeals being filed, but are yet to receive the grounds of the appeal being relied upon by the EBC and the PNM.
The UNC is seeking to argue that the EBC did not have the authority to extend the voting time because of inclement whether, but was only allowed to adjourn the voting process to the other day without the consent of the President should there be election violence.
The EBC, on the other hand, is contending that under the Constitution, it was the sole independent body that governed how the voting process should take place and did not need the permission of a third party to extend the voting hours if it chose to do so.
Last Friday, the issue of serving legal documents in the case shot into the public domain after bailiff Mark Adams served documents to Attorney General Faris Al-Rawi at the funeral service of PNM stalwart Errol Mahabir.
Post by: Socapro on October 02, 2015, 12:41:37 AM
By JADA LOUTOO Friday, October 2 2015 (T&T Newsday)
NOTICES of the six successful People’s National Movement (PNM) members of Parliament against the election petitions were filed out of time. One day after the notices were filed in the Registry of the appellate court at the Hall of Justice, Port-of- Spain, lawyers representing the ruling party filed an additional application, asking the courts for an extension of time.
The mistake was made as the PNM’s attorneys were of the opinion that they had 14 days in which to appeal the petitions.
However, it was later realised that the Civil Proceedings Rules of the Supreme Court only gave seven days for the filing of a procedural appeal. The seven days would have expired on September 28.
The six notices of appeal were filed one day later.
The PNM parliamentarians are asking that the time be extended to October 2. They are also asking that the hearing of the application for the extension be expedited due to the urgent nature of the proceedings. The PNM parliamentarians — Attorney General Faris Al-Rawi (San Fernando West); Maxie Cuffie (La Horquetta/Talparo); Glenda Jennings-Smith (Toco/Sangre Grande); Esmond Forde (Tunapuna); Terrence Deyalsingh (St Joseph) and Dr Lovell Francis (Moruga/Tableland) — who each won their respective seats in six disputed marginal constituencies, say the judge erred in law when she granted leave to the Opposition party, “in the absence of any evidence that anyone joined the lines to vote after 6 pm and was allowed to vote, and/or the number of such persons, such as to suggest that the result of the election might have been materially affected by the alleged unlawful extension of polling hours to 7 pm.” The appellate court is also being asked to set aside the leave granted by Justice Dean-Armorer and have the petitions dismissed.
The application for extension filed yesterday gave details as to what occurred, resulting in the late filing of the appeals. According to the application, the petitions were served on the PNM MPs between September 23 and 28, however since the granting of leave by Dean-Armorer was made on September 18, the last day for the filing of the procedural appeal under the CPR was September 28.
The application pointed out, however, that the Election Proceedings Rules gave 14 days but since the appeals lodged on Wednesday could be considered procedural in nature, the application for the extension was being made out of an abundance of caution.
According to the reasons set out in the application for the additional time, a notice of appeal had been prepared on September 28 and presented to the Registry of the Court of Appeal, before the closing time of 4 pm.
The appeal was not accepted because the personal addresses of the six PNM MPs and their defeated colleagues from the UNC were not set out in the notice.
By the time, the necessary information had been received and the additions to the notices made, the filing clerk at the registry indicated that the six successful PNM MPs had 42 days in which to file their appeal.
She also indicated to the law clerk for Elena Araujo, one of the PNM’s attorneys, that he could return the next day, before she closed the filing counter.
The application for the extension maintained that the failure to file within seven days was not intentional.
It also noted that the appellants had been served with the order of Dean-Armorer mere days before the seven day deadline was due to expire and that an attempted had been made to file on time but was not accepted by the Registry.
Pointing out that the explanation given for the one-day-late filing was a good one, the lawyers also noted that their request for additional time was done promptly and would not prejudice the UNC, since there was already the appeal filed by the Elections and Boundaries Commission, pending before the courts.
“It is both in the interest of the administration of justice as well as in the general public interest to permit the appellant to challenge the order of Madam Justice Dean-Armorer, as the appeal raises matters which concern how challenges to due election of Members of Parliament are to be permitted,” the notice of application for the extension stated.
On Monday, the EBC filed 12 grounds of appeal also contending that the judge was wrong to grant leave to the Opposition to question the validity of the six successfully elected members of Parliament. The UNC lost the election with 18 seats to the PNM’s 23 seats and is claiming that the EBC’s rules and the Constitution gave the EBC only the power to adjourn an election in instances of public violence and not the power to extend the traditional voting hours of 6 am to 6 pm. No date has been set for the hearing of the appeals.
Post by: kounty on August 09, 2020, 01:21:15 PM
I did a quick search and it seem like the list of "special electors" like offshore oil rig workers (https://www.ebctt.com/electoral-process/special-electors/), don't really include people living in foreign. The language too about Polling stations and even Caricom Nationals getting to vote once they could prove they "reside" at an address...I guess they concerned about a bunch of foreigners say they living in a swing district like Tunapuna... Anybody on the forum in the know?
Post by: ABTrini on August 09, 2020, 07:40:16 PM
All I know is that it have one set ah chuppidybeing used by a certain party- you ent see how they desperate causing all kinda mudslinging and bribing potential voters - pure acts of desperation
Great is the Peole of Normal Mindedness
Great is the Peole of Normal Mindedness
GREAT is the People of Normal Mentality
People let's safeguard the beautiful nation against : Unecessary Notorious Corruption
Post by: Deeks on August 10, 2020, 05:03:39 AM
Post by: Deeks on August 10, 2020, 11:19:40 PM
Post by: soccerman on August 11, 2020, 09:47:24 AM
PNM won 22 - 19 ? I eh sure.That's what I saw too but haven't heard anything official yet.
Post by: ABTrini on August 13, 2020, 09:41:52 PM
Very disappointed by all these candidates - - there is no honour among thieves with outlandish claims
I am appalluded by derogatory social media statements which are very disturbing - personal attacks on a any Leader and or any one people is very disrespectful.
But again all this is deflecting from an election victory and perhaps designed to disrupt and impede the democratic process
Tell me how does anyone belong and partake in a party whose leadership incites direct or oblique racist discourse? How does a " blank person" find acceptance in such a party much less exhalt the principles of such a political entity?
The fact is that we are a pluralistic nation and as such any one ethnicity could be and has a right to be in position of governance. However any individual ascribing to take on a leadership regardless of ethnicity should do so with an ethical regard to all members of the electorate - opposing issues is one thing but attacking the ethnicity and by mere actions allowing followers to elicit rampant and explicit ethnic denegrating attacks is unconsciousable .
Shame shame shame on those individuals who resort to these insidious forms of attacks on others to vent their hatred and defeat- All leaders and or elected individuals should take on a moral responsibility to call upon individuals to cease from this ethnic divide and to adopt a National identity- 'Trinbagonian'
BTW- people get caught up with either trying to defend, deny or accuse what was actually said by a leader - but no one seems to be questioning the intent nor asking for clarification of the term- what is a " blank man'?
If that was indeed the statement?
When leaders make disparaging statements it seems to give rise to their followers that this type of behaviour is condone. All we have to do is to witness the verbal diaherra from certain leaders in North America and see how political correctness is thrown out the window- how do blank republicans abide by or support a rhetoric of diviseness? And you know how we like foreign and how we like to emulate the American ideal- it's no wonder that the divisiness which we are seeing in TnT has become so pervasive and callous among sectorsi in our society- this is the pandemic of hatred we are encountering amidst the backdrop of an election- people wake up and look at a national identity as oppose to one of ethnic divide based on party.
Post by: ABTrini on August 17, 2020, 04:08:56 PM
1. Tunapuna
Recount Completed
Esmond Forde 9460 ... PNM be
David Nakid 7533 ... UNC
Margin of Victory 1927
2. La Horquetta/Talparo
Recount Completed
Foster Cummings PNM 9391
Jerlean John UNC 7297
Margin of Victory 2094
3. San Fernando West
Recount Completed
Final Recount Results:
PNM Faris Al-Rawi - 8449
UNC Sean Sobers - 6754
Margin of Victory 1695
4. TocoSangre Grande
Recount Completed
Final Results
PNM Roger Monroe 10694
UNC Nabila Greene 7303
Margin of Victory 3391
5. St Joseph
Recount Completed
Final Results
PNM Terrance Deyalsingh 9363
UNC Ahloy Hunt 8539
Margin of Victory 824
6. Tobago East
Recount completed
Final results
PNM Ayanna Webster-Roy 6,573
PDP Watson Duke 5,729
Margin of Victory 844
PNM Victory in all 6
PNM 22
UNC 19
Congratulations Dr. Keith Christopher Rowley, the Next Prime Minister of the Republic of Trinidad & Tobago
Talk done - over and out- let's move on let's move forward and let's all stand up and denounce the divisiness bs - cool down like baghi
Post by: asylumseeker on August 18, 2020, 09:50:24 AM
Post by: ABTrini on August 18, 2020, 10:05:04 AM
I await Nakhid's merited appointment to the Senate, sans or with parachute.
What qualifies him for such a posting? Parachute he at sea outta here- for a bright young man , he chose the wrong politics to align with- Get some moral and ethical backbone
Post by: asylumseeker on August 18, 2020, 11:48:11 AM
I await Nakhid's merited appointment to the Senate, sans or with parachute.
What qualifies him for such a posting? Parachute he at sea outta here- for a bright young man , he chose the wrong politics to align with- Get some moral and ethical backbone
The appointment would be based on the merits of UNC internal decision-making and political value rather than on one's bias against the UNC. We have long understood your position on matters UNC. Clearly you would prefer him clutching to life support in the Gulf of Paria, but he more than meets the criteria for seating in the Senate and contributing to the national debate (at least you acknowledge that somewhat).
The sole issue is whether the UNC directorate ultimately sees it that way, but there is no doubt that he should be a compelling candidate for the Senate, political maturation, electoral nurturing and policy contribution.
Post by: Flex on August 18, 2020, 12:34:33 PM
CLINT CHAN TACK (NEWSDAY).
FORMER PP minister and MP Stephen Cadiz said the people who lost the August 10 general election need to accept their loss and move on.
In a post on his Facebook page, Cadiz addressed his views on last week's election result to no one in particular.
He said, "Losing an election means that you were either unprepared, you lost your appeal, people do not trust you, never got the messaging right, on the day organization fell flat, you targeted the wrong people, and a number of other reasons.
"The other person won and you cannot blame them for winning. It was you who lost." He also said that he has worked in polling stations since 1981. Cadiz said, "Unless you are in cahoots with the persons who are obviously fudging the vote count you cannot rig the result. It is what it is."
Under those circumstances, Cadiz said the loser should "take your licks and go home."
The PNM defeated the UNC 22-19 in last Monday's election. UNC leader Kamla Persad-Bissessar has so far refused to concede defeat and the party called for recounts in five seats (San Fernando West, St Joseph, Tunapuna, La Horquetta/Talparo and Toco/Sangre Grande).
The recounts have ended in San Fernando West, Tunapuna, La Horquetta/Talparo and Toco/Sangre Grande with the PNM's victories in all of these seats being confirmed. The ballot count has been completed in St Joseph but the poll card count is continuing.
Health Minister Terrence Deyalsingh retained St Joseph for the PNM in the election.
There have been calls from UNC members and others for Persad-Bissessar to resign as party leader. But UNC PRO and Tabaquite-elect MP Anita Haynes said the party has full confidence in Persad-Bissessar and sees no reason for her to resign.
Post by: ABTrini on August 18, 2020, 07:33:42 PM
I await Nakhid's merited appointment to the Senate, sans or with parachute.
What qualifies him for such a posting? Parachute he at sea outta here- for a bright young man , he chose the wrong politics to align with- Get some moral and ethical backbone
The appointment would be based on the merits of UNC internal decision-making and political value rather than on one's bias against the UNC. We have long understood your position on matters UNC. Clearly you would prefer him clutching to life support in the Gulf of Paria, but he more than meets the criteria for seating in the Senate and contributing to the national debate (at least you acknowledge that somewhat).
The sole issue is whether the UNC directorate ultimately sees it that way, but there is no doubt that he should be a compelling candidate for the Senate, political maturation, electoral nurturing and policy contribution.
My assertion has really little to do with my alleged political affinity but more with moral ethical decisions- appointments should have some merit attached to it and some demonstrable competency.
In the same way when the late pm Mr. Patrick Manning won his election and appointed his wife as education minister thus creating a potential conflict of interest and nepotism.
Don't confuse my assertions with party preference - in a democracy it is very feasible and creditable to have an opposition that ensures accountability ant that the elected officials govern with fatness and responsibility on behalf of the electorates-
However when you have an opposition party bend on dividing a nation with their discourse and acting in ways that could destabilize governance I will continue to express my displeasure at patronage appointments .
Ameb
Post by: asylumseeker on August 19, 2020, 01:13:31 AM
I await Nakhid's merited appointment to the Senate, sans or with parachute.
What qualifies him for such a posting? Parachute he at sea outta here- for a bright young man , he chose the wrong politics to align with- Get some moral and ethical backbone
The appointment would be based on the merits of UNC internal decision-making and political value rather than on one's bias against the UNC. We have long understood your position on matters UNC. Clearly you would prefer him clutching to life support in the Gulf of Paria, but he more than meets the criteria for seating in the Senate and contributing to the national debate (at least you acknowledge that somewhat).
The sole issue is whether the UNC directorate ultimately sees it that way, but there is no doubt that he should be a compelling candidate for the Senate, political maturation, electoral nurturing and policy contribution.
My assertion has really little to do with my alleged political affinity but more with moral ethical decisions- appointments should have some merit attached to it and some demonstrable competency.
In the same way when the late pm Mr. Patrick Manning won his election and appointed his wife as education minister thus creating a potential conflict of interest and nepotism.
Don't confuse my assertions with party preference - in a democracy it is very feasible and creditable to have an opposition that ensures accountability ant that the elected officials govern with fatness and responsibility on behalf of the electorates-
However when you have an opposition party bend on dividing a nation with their discourse and acting in ways that could destabilize governance I will continue to express my displeasure at patronage appointments .
Ameb
:)
You want me to deduce that your mention of Manning renders you auto-critical of the PNM? Tempting, but I can't impute that decision of the late Prime Minister to the collective machinery of the party - even given the acquiescence of some in the decision. Also, substantively, the naming of a spouse in a Cabinet is not presumptively conflicting of interest, patronage, nepotism, immorality or an ethics violation.
The process of "getting there" could be fraught with those pitfalls and likely your issue with that episode has to do with perception of the episode and the process of its development ... but none of that is a suitable comparison to the matter of David Nakhid's competency or merit to serve in the Senate (although I am amused that you had to go back almost 20 years to find a PNM-related issue that you find disturbing) ;D
It's not sustainable to view the appointment of an educated person who has participated in the national discourse for years and who performed creditably at the polls as a patronage appointment. That's a disingenuous position.
Apparently it isn't Hazel Manning's mere appointment to the Senate that bothered you as much as her elevation to a ministerial portfolio did? :) Have no fear, there's no chance of that happening here.
Post-election the UNC has taken some unhelpful and hopefully regrettable positions, but there still needs to be a seated Opposition in the Senate and it is likely and sensible that a UNC senator emerge from one of the faux recount constituencies.
Post by: ABTrini on August 20, 2020, 06:05:52 PM
One of the most informative and historical shows was on Power 102 yesterday - it really illustrated that this ethnic divide has historical and deep.y embedded divide dating back to the 30's
People learn to discern before you proclaim
Post by: Deeks on August 21, 2020, 08:55:58 PM
Judging by the lack of response to this thread, I hope not too many are disappointed, apathetic or uninterested.
One of the most informative and historical shows was on Power 102 yesterday - it really illustrated that this ethnic divide has historical and deep.y embedded divide dating back to the 30's
People learn to discern before you proclaim
Unless there is a heavy hand to foster some type of integration, change will take a very long time to come. I have yet to see or read about a society that is divided almost equally and live harmoniously. There is always pulling and tugging. Many a times it end s in violence. Sometimes deadly violence. We have not reach that stage and I sincerely hope we don't. Look at this. The Spanish, Brits brought all of us here and told us to follow the their laws. That's basically it. We just had to learn to live with each other. Just deal with one another. It is still a work in progress. Taking longer than usual to some of us. But look at the US. They are a much older country and look at their state of race and ethnic relationships.
Post by: asylumseeker on September 02, 2020, 06:40:44 PM
I await Nakhid's merited appointment to the Senate, sans or with parachute.
;)