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Joran van der Sloot, the Dutch man once considered a suspect in the 2005 disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway, is the suspect in the killing of a woman in Peru, Peruvian police officials said Wednesday.
There is "incriminating evidence" linking Van der Sloot to the killing of 21-year-old Stephany Flores Ramirez, who was found dead in a Lima hotel room Wednesday, Cesar Guardia Vasquez, of the criminal investigations unit said at a news conference.
The hotel room where Flores was found was registered in Van der Sloot's name, he said.
A hotel guest and an employee witnessed the pair entering the hotel room together at 5 a.m. on Sunday, Guardia said.
Police have video of the previous night, May 29, of Van de Sloot and Flores together at the Atlantic City Casino in Lima, he said.
According to immigration officials, Van de Sloot fled to Chile over land on Monday, Guardia said.
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/02/peru-cops-holloway-suspect-now-wanted-in-womans-death/
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Nancy Grace panties wet!
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Nancy Grace panties wet!
;D
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He and he giant head on ah serial killer vibes...a south american jail go do he good.
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$$$ does seem to be no object ...
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Nancy Grace panties wet!
OH GAWDDD ALL YUH NOT NICE
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Lemme hear what he fadda will say now.... >:(
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Lemme hear what he fadda will say now.... >:(
he dead :devil:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,585581,00.html
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CNN breaking news: Former Natalee Holloway case suspect Joran van der Sloot, wanted in slaying in Peru, has been apprehended in Chile
He fadda dead? Oh!!
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5 yrs 2 d day dat Halloway disappear. Dat is how he celebrate gettin away wit murder commit another.
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Santiago, Chile (CNN) -- Joran van der Sloot, the suspect in a young woman's slaying this week in Peru and previously considered a suspect in the 2005 disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway in Aruba, was captured Thursday in Chile, authorities said.
Van der Sloot is the main suspect in this week's slaying of 21-year-old Stephany Flores Ramirez, who was found Wednesday in a Lima, Peru, hotel room registered to the Dutch man. Chilean police told CNN that paperwork showed that van der Sloot entered Chile on Wednesday.
Peruvian Interior Minister Octavio Salazar Miranda said Thursday that Peru has made arrangements with Interpol to extradite van der Sloot.
Van der Sloot also faces an arrest warrant on charges of extortion and wire fraud in Alabama, U.S. Attorney Joyce Vance said Thursday. The charges are unrelated to the killing of a Peruvian woman, and deal with an attempt to sell details about Holloway for $250,000, Vance said.
Van der Sloot, 23, was traveling alone in a taxi near the Chilean central coastal city of Vina del Mar when he was detained, said Douglas Rodriguez, spokesman for the Chilean Investigative Police.
Van der Sloot was transported Thursday afternoon to police headquarters in Santiago, Chile's capital.
TV images showed him emerging from a black police SUV at the police station. His hair, which had been black in previous images, was red and worn in a close-cropped crew cut.
In Peru, a wake was held Thursday in Lima for Flores, who was scheduled to be buried later in the day.
An uncle of Natalee Holloway said he was saddened by the Flores family's loss.
"We are disappointed that Joran has been able to do this to another young girl," Paul Reynolds told CNN. "He was not held accountable for what happened to Natalee and as a result has been able to repeat his actions. Sorry this other family has to go through the same thing we have.
Van der Sloot, who was arrested in connection with Holloway's disappearance in 2005 but later released, has denied any involvement in her case.
There is "incriminating evidence" linking van der Sloot to the killing of Flores, said Peruvian criminal investigator Cesar Guardia Vasquez.
The woman's bludgeoned body was found in Room 309 of the Hotel Tac in the Miraflores section of Lima, police said. She suffered blunt trauma to the head, breaking her neck, and to her torso and back, Peruvian police said Thursday.
Van der Sloot had been staying at the hotel since arriving from Colombia on May 14, police said. Room 309 was booked in his name, authorities said.
A hotel guest and an employee witnessed the pair entering the hotel room together at 5 a.m. Sunday, Guardia said. Police have video of van der Sloot and Flores together the previous night at the Atlantic City Casino in Lima, he said.
Two Peruvian cab drivers said in an interview on CNN affiliate America TV that they drove a man matching van der Sloot's description to a city on the other side of the Chilean border.
"He paid me and I took him to Arica, to the border," cab driver Oswaldo Aparcana said.
The man sat in the front seat and smoked many cigarettes, Aparcana said. The passenger told the cabbies he used to live in Aruba, said the other driver, Carlos Alberto Uribe.
The victim's father said he believes van der Sloot is responsible for the young woman's death.
"We have all the evidence to show that the killer is this man," businessman and race-car driver Ricardo Flores told CNN en Espańol.
But van der Sloot's former attorney, Joseph Tacopina, told CNN it was too early to reach any conclusions.
"I just think we need to take a step back before we get to the 'I told you so' stage, and let's see what the evidence is here," Tacopina said Thursday.
Tacopina said he is not representing van der Sloot and no longer has a good relationship with the family.
Holloway, the Alabama teenager, disappeared May 30, 2005, five years to the day since the hotel videotape that officials say showed van der Sloot and Flores going into his hotel room. Both women are reported to have met van der Sloot at a night spot.
Ricardo Flores said police found his daughter's car about 50 blocks from the hotel. Inside the car, he said, authorities found pills like those used in date rapes.
Ricardo Flores said he did not believe his daughter knew the Dutch citizen beforehand.
Both of them speak English and they struck up conversation at the casino, he said.
Interpol had alerted its office in Chile and other bordering countries of the case and placed them on alert in case van der Sloot tried to leave that country, Peruvian Interpol Interim Director Gerson Ortiz told CNN.
Van der Sloot was arrested in Aruba in 2005 along with two other men, brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, in connection with Holloway's disappearance. They were later released.
In 2007, they were arrested a second time after Aruba's then-chief prosecutor, Hans Mos, said he had received new evidence in the case.
Van der Sloot, who was attending college in the Netherlands, was brought back to Aruba. But judges ruled the new evidence -- which included an Internet chat the same day Holloway disappeared in which one of the three youths said she was dead -- was not enough to keep them jailed.
In 2008, prosecutors sought unsuccessfully to arrest van der Sloot a third time after a videotape surfaced on Dutch television. In it, van der Sloot tells a man he considered to be his friend that he had sex with Holloway on the beach after leaving the nightclub, then she "started shaking" and lost consciousness. He said he panicked when he could not resuscitate her and called a friend who had a boat. The two put Holloway's body in the boat, he said, and then he went home. The friend told him the next day that he had carried the body out and dumped it in the ocean.
But an Aruba court ruled there was not enough evidence to re-arrest him. Aruban prosecutors said authorities had met with van der Sloot in the Netherlands, but in a two-hour interview he denied any role in Holloway's disappearance.
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And this victim was the daughter of some big wig in Peru. Businessman who also ran for President and also a wealthy car racer. I was listening to a lawyer on cnn. She said if convicted, he will spend 35 years in jail...no parole. In a Peru jail...he will be lucky if he last 1 year, especially once the other jail mates find out who he killed.
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he go have to deal with this
Locked Up Abroad: Peru
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAzF87_BI0I&feature=PlayList&p=B9BE69B6BCCAD6EC&playnext_from=PL&index=0&playnext=1
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aaaaahhhhh yes Karma is a biatch!!....
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aaaaahhhhh yes Karma is a biatch!!....
how is this karma?
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aaaaahhhhh yes Karma is a biatch!!....
how is this karma?
also... people acting like de fella done guilty arready. True, where there is smoke there is fire... but leh we wait and see what kinda evidence they have on him before we start constructing gallows. If guilty then yes, he should swing.
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Van der Sloot arrives at Lima police headquarters
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/05/peru.murder.case/index.html?hpt=T2
Lima, Peru -- Murder suspect Joran van der Sloot arrived Saturday at the Lima police headquarters in Peru, where he is facing charges that he killed a Peruvian woman.
Van der Sloot, handcuffed and wearing a protective vest, was escorted through a news conference held by Peruvian authorities as photographers snapped photo after photo.
The body of 21-year-old Stephany Flores Ramirez was found Wednesday in a Lima hotel room registered to van der Sloot, a Dutch citizen who was twice arrested and released in connection with the 2005 disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway in Aruba.
Flores' body was badly beaten and investigators believe a tennis racquet in the room was used in the killing, Carlos Gonzalo, spokesman for Peru's Interior Ministry, told CNN. Despite reports that a baseball bat was the murder weapon, Gonzalo said there was not a baseball bat in the room.
Video: Van der Sloot arrives in Peru Video: Holloway's uncle on van der Sloot arrest Video: Victim's family speaks
The Dutch Consulate is now involved in the case and has volunteered a defense attorney for van der Sloot, according to Carlos Neyra, a spokesman for the Peruvian Investigative Police.
Gonzalo said van der Sloot has asked for his mother, though authorities couldn't confirm whether she's coming to Lima.
Surveillance video from a casino on May 30 shows Flores and van der Sloot playing cards at the same table, he said. The woman won about 5,000 soles (about $1,755), though it was not found in the room or the victim's car, Gonzalo said.
He said "they found bloodied clothes with" van der Sloot and that investigators are testing them, as well as the tennis racquet, for DNA.
He added that there is no other suspect connected to Flores' death.
A hotel worker is seen in a surveillance video speaking to van der Sloot as he is leaving the hotel, Gonzalo said. When investigators questioned the workers, he told them that van der Sloot told him "don't bother my girl." Van der Sloot indicated that he would be returning to the room, according to the worker.
The hotel workers became suspicious after no one else left the room, and eventually a foul smell came from it, Gonzalo said. It wasn't immediately clear how much time lapsed between the conversation on video and workers noticing the smell.
Chilean authorities delivered van der Sloot to their Peruvian counterparts on Friday in the border town of Santa Rosa, where he was greeted by hecklers and dozens of media personnel jostling for position to get a better picture of the Dutch citizen.
The Dutch Consulate has told Peruvian authorities that it is not comfortable with the way van der Sloot has been presented to the media, Neyra said. The Peruvian Minister of the Interior is asking authorities not to talk about the case without his authorization.
Paperwork showed that van der Sloot entered Chile the same day Flores' body was found, Chilean police told CNN. He was captured in Chile on Thursday and transported to the border to be expelled, said Macarena Lopez, a spokeswoman for Interpol.
The Chileans drove van der Sloot across the border to a Peruvian police station. He made a 100-foot walk from the car to the station as journalists pushed past a police line and a handful of hecklers rained loud and angry obscenities on the suspect's head.
Van der Sloot was taken inside the station for processing. From there, he was to be taken to the nearby town of Tacna and then flown to Lima.
Holloway was on a high school graduation trip to the Caribbean island of Aruba in 2005 when she disappeared. Van der Sloot was arrested twice in connection with the case but released both times. He denied any involvement and has not been charged.
Van der Sloot also faces an arrest warrant on charges of extortion and wire fraud in Alabama, U.S. Attorney Joyce Vance said Thursday. The charges are unrelated to the killing of the Peruvian woman and deal with an attempt to sell details about Holloway for $250,000, Vance said.
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aaaaahhhhh yes Karma is a biatch!!....
how is this karma?
Sooner or later he deeds woulda catch up with him.....kill once and get away with it, so hey why not kill again. Now its true as Bakes says, he hasn't been found guilty, but if it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, its certainly not a cow. I have a sneaky feeling he was allowed to get away with Natalee Holloway's murder cuz daddy was there to step in and get him off.....
So like ah say, karma is a bitch.....
Ah have a problem with how he was paraded before the media though....dais how they does do it in Peru?? ??? ???
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aaaaahhhhh yes Karma is a biatch!!....
how is this karma?
Sooner or later he deeds woulda catch up with him.....kill once and get away with it, so hey why not kill again. Now its true as Bakes says, he hasn't been found guilty, but if it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, its certainly not a cow. I have a sneaky feeling he was allowed to get away with Natalee Holloway's murder cuz daddy was there to step in and get him off.....
So like ah say, karma is a bitch.....
Ah have a problem with how he was paraded before the media though....dais how they does do it in Peru?? ??? ???
YES!!! Everyday!
It's also very common to see vigilante justice being executed at the very same media parade. Script: perpetrator paraded, member of the offended faction or party or victim's relatives hussling in to hit some cuff, whatever they could geh way wid.
Last week in Ecuador one of the major issues was members of the indigenous community meteing out punishment according to their customs to some offenders implicated in a homicide (they were being publicly displayed... that is, they were hanging naked from some contraption ...and the main offender was held somewhere else just so mainstream authorities couldn't get to him ... anyway, Ecuador's AG was blocked (literally physically impeded) from reaching these guys seen hanging alive, although he had a security detail ... local TV had a debate about the impropriety/propriety of having dual systems of justice in place ... the indigenous populace argues their way allows for immediate reinsertion in society, whereas the mainstream method does not even affect proper rehabilitation. The State recognizes its version, not the other.
Quite provocative stuff ... women carrying barrels and sacks on their backs uphill while in their undies etc. All on TV.
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=51591
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yeh he guilty , unless the girl stab she self, they show the video where he and d girl enter the room, and he leave by himself after , he have to keys to the room, the room under his name, and the videos show nobody else entered or left the room. they go work that in jail :devil:
http://www.youtube.com/v/hJyGioxzDAw
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Ah have a problem with how he was paraded before the media though....dais how they does do it in Peru?? ??? ???
whey yuh mean Peru... yuh fuhget what does go on in Trinidad or what? All yuh have to do was watch de photos of the taxi driver they arrest fuh de disappearance of the li'l girl two years ago and how the police march him thru POS with a crowd heckling him and threatening him. At one point de man try to hide he face in he chest and ah Sargeant grab he chin and shove he head upwards... to ensure that he properly get shamed nah. Presumption of innocence? lol
Meanwhile jury pool get taint... anybody seeing that done thinking he guilty arready, especially how people in TnT does think.
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yeh he guilty , unless the girl stab she self, they show the video where he and d girl enter the room, and he leave by himself after , he have to keys to the room, the room under his name, and the videos show nobody else entered or left the room. they go work that in jail :devil:
http://www.youtube.com/v/hJyGioxzDAw
Yuh mean de YouTube video, right? Because I doh think yuh have de however many hours of video showing the entire sequence of who enter the room when. Supposedly employees entered after smelling the body... yuh think that body start decomposing overnight as the video suggest? Do we even know that she was dead by the time he's shown leaving the room?
I not trying to defend de fella or argue that he innocent, but all that video does is establish a connection between him and the victim. I hope for his sake that whomever sits on his jury (or yours, should you find yourself in a similar situation, God forbid) not as quick to rush to judgment based on circumstantial evidence with somebody life/liberty at stake.
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i don't know this whole case sounding fishy...Is it just me but I also find it strange that he doesn't lock the door as in turn the key and such...It could probably lock from inside...who know...She's a wealthy girl for all we know it could be her wealthy ex boyfriend who's jealous and took revenge..Maybe a politician's son or somebody high in society...Cover ups are possible..!!!
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Ah have a problem with how he was paraded before the media though....dais how they does do it in Peru?? ??? ???
whey yuh mean Peru... yuh fuhget what does go on in Trinidad or what? All yuh have to do was watch de photos of the taxi driver they arrest fuh de disappearance of the li'l girl two years ago and how the police march him thru POS with a crowd heckling him and threatening him. At one point de man try to hide he face in he chest and ah Sargeant grab he chin and shove he head upwards... to ensure that he properly get shamed nah. Presumption of innocence? lol
Meanwhile jury pool get taint... anybody seeing that done thinking he guilty arready, especially how people in TnT does think.
That happens here going to and from court. The parade before the media was apparently made for a press conference or something of that nature....that's just weird....anyway I still maintain that karma is a bitch, daddy eh around to help him now....
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I not trying to defend de fella or argue that he innocent, but all that video does is establish a connection between him and the victim. I hope for his sake that whomever sits on his jury (or yours, should you find yourself in a similar situation, God forbid) not as quick to rush to judgment based on circumstantial evidence with somebody life/liberty at stake.
uuuuummmm Bakes, people have been found guilty based on circumstantial evidence before right?
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I not trying to defend de fella or argue that he innocent, but all that video does is establish a connection between him and the victim. I hope for his sake that whomever sits on his jury (or yours, should you find yourself in a similar situation, God forbid) not as quick to rush to judgment based on circumstantial evidence with somebody life/liberty at stake.
uuuuummmm Bakes, people have been found guilty based on circumstantial evidence before right?
Indeed... and in many cases it was subsequently discovered that they were wrongly convicted. We only hear of the higher profile exonerations... if ever, but for many of us it's not until you get closer to the issue that you realize how frequently these wrongful convictions take place.
Again, not saying he innocent but...
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Yuh mean de YouTube video, right?
no not the video alone, i know they cut it. But investigators stated nobody else entered or left the room based on the video evidence. either way it look already that they find him guilty :devil:, but in his defense he have to come good to explain how he Innocent, unless people does walk through walls.
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Yuh mean de YouTube video, right?
no not the video alone, i know they cut it. But investigators stated nobody else entered or left the room based on the video evidence. either way it look already that they find him guilty :devil:, but in his defense he have to come good to explain how he Innocent, unless people does walk through walls.
I dunno de exact situation with that hotel... but yuh doh find it more than a little bit curious that they just so happen to have a camera trained on the entrance to that room? Maybe they have all the rooms under surveillance like that... or maybe is just luck... or maybe it have more facts that haven't yet been made public.
Either way my chief concern if I were in his shoes (innocent or guilty) is that all of this trial in the media will make it harder for him to find an impartial jury. No matter the charges and no matter the defendant we never want to have a jury going into the trial with dey minds done made up arready. Justice isn't about finding somebody guilty for the girl's murder, but finding the right somebody guilty.
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And that is exactly what shows like Nancy Grace and stuff do..Find someone guilty before the case even begins...How hard is it to find members for a jury who will remain impartial when shows like these exists???
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And that is exactly what shows like Nancy Grace and stuff do..Find someone guilty before the case even begins...How hard is it to find members for a jury who will remain impartial when shows like these exists???
Like all the other pogroms programs on Faux News I doh really watch that Nancy Grace nonsense. She not interested in justice or nutten like that, her chief interest is in riling people up enough that they tune in to her show and generate ad revenue.
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Nancy grace is CNN
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This is how I seeing things as it stand now....
Natalee Holloway & Joran Van Deer Sloot....Natalee disappear....he is the last person to be seen with her..
Flores girl & Joran Van Deer Sloot.....girl found dead in room.....he is the last person to be seen with her.
Common denominator Joran Van Deer Sloot....yeah he innocent until proven guilty, but.....
I'm actually beginning to wonder if there are any more girls out there who were last seen with Joran Van Deer Sloot and were never seen or heard from again..... :-\
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i hear he tell one of the workers "don't bother my girl" after he leave the room.
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Allyuh rushing to judgement.
Anyone know the whereabouts of the one-armed man?
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Allyuh rushing to judgement.
Anyone know the whereabouts of the one-armed man?
Hahahaha, you like sh*t. :devil:
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:rotfl:
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Allyuh rushing to judgement.
Anyone know the whereabouts of the one-armed man?
Who cares Harisson get off in d FUGITIVE. 1 ah d bestest movie I EVER C.
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2 1/2 days after he checked out the hotel and say he coming back soon, is den the hotel staff smell someting bad and open the door after knocking on it....
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2 1/2 days after he checked out the hotel and say he coming back soon, is den the hotel staff smell someting bad and open the door after knocking on it....
Oh? Look how I didn't know she was in there for a couple of days. I thought home staffers came into the room the next morning to clean it....
Well like as he did with Holloway, he saying he is innocent.... ::)
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The body language between them is not what one would expect.
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The body language between them is not what one would expect.
I wonder if this man does use a date rape drug/ She had her shoulder drooping, head down....strange way she was walking, I mean if yuh going to a hotel room with ah ting yuh jes meet, they look like dey was a husband and wife after or during a big argument....was thinking the same thing asylumseeker...when i saw the video of them checking into the hotel...she walking at least two steps behind him.
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The body language between them is not what one would expect.
I wonder if this man does use a date rape drug/ She had her shoulder drooping, head down....strange way she was walking, I mean if yuh going to a hotel room with ah ting yuh jes meet, they look like dey was a husband and wife after or during a big argument....was thinking the same thing asylumseeker...when i saw the video of them checking into the hotel...she walking at least two steps behind him.
Yeah I read somewhere that they found date/rape drugs in her car.
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wasn't he involved in a sex ring where they had him on tape trying to get girls to go into prostitution somewhere on the Asian continent..I think it was in Thailand...This man relll sick dread, they should really examine and study his mind...!!!
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-- Authorities say suspect Joran van der Sloot has confessed to the murder of a Peruvian woman, CNN reports.
juss get that on meh phone :-\
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/08/peru.murder.case/index.html?hpt=T1
Lima, Peru (CNN) -- Joran van der Sloot could be formally charged as early as Tuesday in the killing of Stephany Flores Ramirez, Peruvian government authorities said.
The government authorities said Van der Sloot confessed to murder late Monday. He will likely be held at one of three maximum security prisons -- Castro Castro, Piedras Gordas and Lurigancho, authorities said.
Efforts by CNN to contact van der Sloot's attorney were not immediately successful.
At his first court appearance, the judge may set a hearing date for van der Sloot and could order additional investigations in the case.
The Peruvian justice system often issues a lighter sentence in cases where the suspect confesses. That may have influenced his alleged confession.
Van der Sloot could get up to 35 years in prison. There is no death penalty or life sentence in Peru.
A Peruvian police report leaked Monday said Flores was found in his hotel room on the floor, half-dressed. The report provides new details about the hours before Flores' body was found.
Van der Sloot, who was twice arrested in connection with the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba in 2005.
According to the document, the Hotel Tac, where van der Sloot was staying, received a call from someone looking for him about 11 p.m. June 1. The receptionist forwarded the call, but no one answered. The hotel worker assumed that van der Sloot was asleep because the room key was with him and not the front desk.
About an hour later, according to the police report, the receptionist noticed that van der Sloot owed money for two nights and went up to his room, where her knocks went unanswered. The television was blaring, so the hotel employee figured he was resting, the report says.
Afterward, the hotel supervisor told the employee to go back to van der Sloot's room and enter using a spare key. When the employee went in, she found Flores' body on the floor, dressed in a black T-shirt and red panties, half-covered with a piece of white clothing, the police report said.
Flores was bleeding from her nose, the report said.
The hotel employee became frightened at the sight and went to alert her supervisor and the police, turning off the television and lights on her way out of the room, the report said.
The developments in the van der Sloot case come as the Natalee Holloway Resource Center opens in Washington Tuesday. The nonprofit center is located at the National Museum of Crime and Punishment and Natalee's mother Beth Holloway is scheduled to attend its opening.
The center is being opened to provide families of missing persons help with managing their crisis and to give students advice on traveling safely.
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I heard that on CNN this morning just as I was going out the door. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.....
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serial killer
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My boy go need ah heavy supply ah dis
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Official: Van der Sloot confesses to Peru slaying
'I did not want to do it,' paper quotes Natalee Holloway suspect as saying
Video
According to La Republica newspaper, van der Sloot said he broke Stephany Flores' neck after she grabbed his laptop without his permission and found out that he was involved in the disappearance of an American woman.
The paper quoted van der Sloot as saying, "I did not want to do it. The girl intruded into my private life... she didn't have any right.
"I went to her and I hit her. She was scared, we argued and she tried to escape. I grabbed her by the neck and hit her."
NBC News reported that a lawmaker confirmed that van der Sloot confessed to a police officer during interrogation. However, the source did not know the circumstances under which the confession was allegedly obtained.
The Dutchman, who is also the prime suspect in U.S. teen Natalee Holloway's 2005 disappearance in Aruba, is being held in a seventh-floor cell with a bunk bed and blanket and gets three hot meals a day, said Maj. Jose Gamboa, spokesman for the Peruvian national police.
On Tuesday, police planned to take van der Sloot back to the hotel where Flores' body was found to participate in a reconstruction of the events leading to her slaying, Col. Abel Gamarra, head of the Information Directorate of Police, told The Associated Press.
Members of van der Sloot's family, including his mother, were planning to travel to Lima on Tuesday, a lawmaker told NBC News.
Poker
Van der Sloot is suspected in the May 30 killing — five years to the day after Holloway's disappearance — of Flores, a business student who police say he met playing poker at a casino.
On Saturday, police released video taken by security cameras at the hotel where van der Sloot had been staying since arriving from Colombia on May 14. It shows the two entering van der Sloot's room together and the Dutchman leaving alone four hours later.
The woman's battered body was found on the hotel room's floor more than two days later, her neck broken. Van der Sloot had by then crossed into Chile, where he was arrested Thursday.
In video taken of the husky 22-year-old Dutchman that was broadcast Sunday by a TV channel, Peruvian police search van der Sloot's belongings in his presence.
They pull out of his backpack a laptop, a business-card holder and 15 bills in foreign currency. Van der Sloot tells police the money includes Thai, Cambodian and Bolivian currency. He is asked for credit cards and documents and appears to say — his Spanish is very rudimentary — that they are in a hotel room back in Chile.
Earlier, Peru's chief homicide investigator, Col. Miguel Canlla, would neither confirm nor deny a Sunday report in the Lima newspaper El Comercio that van der Sloot told his Peruvian questioners he was innocent of the Flores killing.
"I don't know where that information came from," Canlla told The Associated Press. "We are still in the investigative stage."
Chilean police had said that van der Sloot declared himself innocent in the Lima slaying but acknowledged having met Flores.
Van der Sloot was represented by a state-appointed lawyer during Saturday's questioning.
Until he hires his own counsel, "the guys prosecuting him will decide which attorney he's going to get," van der Sloot's U.S. attorney, Joseph Tacopina, told the AP.
Tacopina said the suspect's family "is trying to find competent counsel."
She said Peruvian authorities have assured the Dutch government they are treating him well. "They are taking this case very seriously," she added. "The world is watching."
The suspect spoke to his mother by telephone for the first time Saturday, Lowe said.
Van der Sloot's father, a former judge and attorney on the Dutch Caribbean island of Aruba, died in February. The suspect has two brothers.
After a 17-hour journey up the Pan-American Highway from Chile in a police caravan Saturday, the young Dutchman was paraded, sheathed in bulletproof vest and handcuffed, before reporters at criminal police headquarters in Lima.
He was then submitted to an initial interrogation. A judge subsequently granted prosecutors' request to extend van der Sloot's preliminary detention order seven more days, said Gamboa, the national police spokesman.
If tried and convicted of murder, van der Sloot faces a potential prison term of 35 years.
He remains, meanwhile, the prime suspect in the disappearance in Aruba of Holloway, an Alabama teen who hasn't been seen since May 30, 2005. He was arrested and released in that case, and faces no charges.
Extortion charge
Van der Sloot was charged Thursday in the United States with trying to extort $250,000 from Holloway's family in exchange for disclosing the location of her body and describing how she died.
U.S. prosecutors say $15,000 was transferred to a Dutch bank account in his name. In the Netherlands on Friday, prosecutors raided two homes in the case, seizing computers, cell phones and data-storage devices.
Peruvian President Alan Garcia told reporters Friday that van der Sloot would have to be tried in Flores' death before any extradition request could be considered.
Holloway, 18, was celebrating her high school graduation on Aruba when she disappeared. Van der Sloot told investigators he left her on a beach, drunk. That's the last anyone saw her.
Two years ago, a Dutch television crime reporter captured hidden-camera footage of van der Sloot saying that after Holloway collapsed on the beach he asked a friend to dump her body in the sea.
The same journalist, Peter de Vries, reported later in 2008 that van der Sloot was recruiting Thai women in Bangkok for sex work in the Netherlands.
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As a father, these kind of people does real scare me oui.
Let's hope this clown gets what he deserves.
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My boy go need ah heavy supply ah dis
(http://lifehackery.com/qimages/5/petroleum-jelly.jpg)
for what........... he neck
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My boy go need ah heavy supply ah dis
(http://lifehackery.com/qimages/5/petroleum-jelly.jpg)
for what........... he neck
Nah he not going to get off dat easy. He go need it for he sh*t cutter
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........shit cutter.......... :-\ :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Hmm, ... in what language was the confession delivered? ... Ah jes asking ...
Also, the series of events as reported in the articles above are a testament to why people should stay abreast of current events. We here knew who this guy was, Ms. Flores not so much. That stated, one could argue that the English-language coverage of the Aruba events that rendered him infamous were likely more extensive than coverage in the Spanish-language media etc. ... but as several posters have contributed, subsequent to that episode Mr. Van der Sloot has been about as judicious as OJ Simpson and Bobby Brown about staying out of trouble ... the cataloguing of those events likely made him more of a global personality ...
Nonetheless, lehme pose this question: should Ms. Flores have been on notice given his fame that this man was to be dealt with from a distance (to kinda touch on Jumbie's concern)
Also, his freedom of movement across borders and continents, absent any word of official concern about the implications of his presence in the various countries raises a red flag to me ... put differently, ah want to believe had he landed at Piarco he would have been received quite differently ... allyuh really feel he woulda be flexing in Zen and pulling gyul easy so? Ah jes asking ...
Then, leh we say he knows he could spend 35 years in a Peruvian prison and walk outta there at 60 or less ... what's his incentive to render a statement (confession if you like) about the Holloway situation ... US authorities and Peru signed an Extradition Treaty in July 2001 ... could be some nuances that develop here regarding citizenship and jurisdiction ... and who knows whether the Lori Berenson (American recently released after serving 15 years of a 20 year prison term in Peru, but mandated by Peruvian court not to leave Peru before the date the 20 year sentence would have ended) could impact the whole scene. Public sentiment in Peru is unlikely to favour extradition.
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So okay he said he broke her neck in the fight.
Then explain to me her disfigured face (her brother had to ID the body and he said her face was bloodied and disfigured). Plus explain the weapon a baseball bat.
The girl touch your laptop and you freak out enough to cause bodily harm that lead to death?
What the hell does your laptop contained?
Hopefully they get hold of his laptop and that hard drive....
Also, his freedom of movement across borders and continents, absent any word of official concern about the implications of his presence in the various countries raises a red flag to me ... put differently, ah want to believe had he landed at Piarco he would have been received quite differently ... allyuh really feel he woulda be flexing in Zen and pulling gyul easy so? Ah jes asking ...
asylumseeker, yes I think he would be flexing in Zen and even making front page walking down Frederick Street as another tourist. I think he would be just another white dude that the natives will fall all over. Let's face it, he isn't a ugly looking fella plus he has money and also tall :)
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So okay he said he broke her neck in the fight.
Then explain to me her disfigured face (her brother had to ID the body and he said her face was bloodied and disfigured). Plus explain the weapon a baseball bat.
The girl touch your laptop and you freak out enough to cause bodily harm that lead to death?
What the hell does your laptop contained?
Hopefully they get hold of his laptop and that hard drive....
where u hearing that?
Where I heard what? Which part of my statement?
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never mind :devil:
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So okay he said he broke her neck in the fight.
Then explain to me her disfigured face (her brother had to ID the body and he said her face was bloodied and disfigured). Plus explain the weapon a baseball bat.
The girl touch your laptop and you freak out enough to cause bodily harm that lead to death?
What the hell does your laptop contained?
this
Uhmm taken from the news paper article that TC posted?
According to La Republica newspaper, van der Sloot said he broke Stephany Flores' neck after she grabbed his laptop without his permission and found out that he was involved in the disappearance of an American woman.
The paper quoted van der Sloot as saying, "I did not want to do it. The girl intruded into my private life... she didn't have any right.
"I went to her and I hit her. She was scared, we argued and she tried to escape. I grabbed her by the neck and hit her."
In an cnn.com report it was stated that the weapon was a baseball bat. Prior to this report, they mentioned it was a tennis racket.
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Wake the hell up and stop studying Iphone 4G D.H.W
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I heard that on CNN this morning just as I was going out the door. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.....
IS USUALLY A SWAN
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so she take his laptop and find out he was involved in the disappearance of Natalie? how she do that? she Google him while he was sitting there or he had files/picture/press clipping on his laptop?
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he is a very strange human being indeed
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This man making me earn mih money... lucky fuh he Peru has no life and no capital punishment. That said, them South American police master beat people into swearing they mother guilty. It ent looking good but I waiting tuh hear all the facts presented. Scaffold done build, man starting to measure rope... lol
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so she take his laptop and find out he was involved in the disappearance of Natalie? how she do that? she Google him while he was sitting there or he had files/picture/press clipping on his laptop?
Nah the article says that he left to go get coffee. When he returned he saw her with his laptop. Who knows what she was doing with it. Whether to email or just google his name (why would she in the first place, since she only met him the day before?) Dunno, but he get vex with her intruding into his private life....man get real vex.
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he is a very strange human being indeed
serial killers tend to be a little odd
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this fellah bad like red ants.. he involved in natalie holloway's disappearance, plus he extorting the parents for information about the whereabouts of her body.. plus he trying to run ah sex ring, and now this?? Nah boy... why this man have so much funding and freedom of movement?
sound from the story like the girl google him when he went to the coffee shop and found out about his history..
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So okay he said he broke her neck in the fight.
Then explain to me her disfigured face (her brother had to ID the body and he said her face was bloodied and disfigured). Plus explain the weapon a baseball bat.
The girl touch your laptop and you freak out enough to cause bodily harm that lead to death?
What the hell does your laptop contained?
Hopefully they get hold of his laptop and that hard drive....
Also, his freedom of movement across borders and continents, absent any word of official concern about the implications of his presence in the various countries raises a red flag to me ... put differently, ah want to believe had he landed at Piarco he would have been received quite differently ... allyuh really feel he woulda be flexing in Zen and pulling gyul easy so? Ah jes asking ...
asylumseeker, yes I think he would be flexing in Zen and even making front page walking down Frederick Street as another tourist. I think he would be just another white dude that the natives will fall all over. Let's face it, he isn't a ugly looking fella plus he has money and also tall :)
Ah cyah dismiss wha yuh saying ... I recognise de nuggets of reality in it. :-\
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this fellah bad like red ants.. he involved in natalie holloway's disappearance, plus he extorting the parents for information about the whereabouts of her body.. plus he trying to run ah sex ring, and now this?? Nah boy... why this man have so much funding and freedom of movement?
sound from the story like the girl google him when he went to the coffee shop and found out about his history..
amateur move... never leave ah woman in yuh house by sheself.
ah have ah partner does even bathe with he cellphone on de bathroom shelf
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this fellah bad like red ants.. he involved in natalie holloway's disappearance, plus he extorting the parents for information about the whereabouts of her body.. plus he trying to run ah sex ring, and now this?? Nah boy... why this man have so much funding and freedom of movement?
sound from the story like the girl google him when he went to the coffee shop and found out about his history..
amateur move... never leave ah woman in yuh house by sheself.
ah have ah partner does even bathe with he cellphone on de bathroom shelf
;D
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Official: Van der Sloot says he knows location of Holloway's body
Lima, Peru (CNN) -- Joran van der Sloot told investigators during an interrogation that he knows the location of Natalee Holloway's body, but he would neither identify the location nor say what happened to her the night of her disappearance, a Peruvian police official told CNN Thursday in Lima.
"He says he knew the location of the American citizen but that he was going to explain everything to Aruban police," said Miguel Canlla, head of the homicide division of the Peruvian national police investigative unit.
Van der Sloot, twice detained but never charged in the disappearance of Holloway five years ago in Aruba, was arrested last week in connection with a different case: the slaying of a 21-year-old Peruvian woman in Lima, the nation's capital. He confessed to the Peruvian woman's slaying earlier this week, police said.
Van der Sloot was transferred from a police facility to the national attorney general's office Thursday morning, according to images broadcast by CNN affiliate America TV.
His attorney, Maximo Alonso Altez Navarro, told CNN his client will go from the attorney general's office to the Justice Ministry, where a judge will determine which jail he will go to.
The lawyer said he has spoken with the director of jails in Lima to make sure van der Sloot is safe once he is moved to one of the city's maximum-security prisons.
Altez said he planned to ask the judge in the case to strike down van der Sloot's confession in the Peruvian case, because he was not properly represented when he was interrogated.
The attorney said police got a public defense attorney to be present at the interrogation and subsequent confession, but that van der Sloot never agreed to this lawyer.
Altez also said he has found indications that the handling of the evidence was tainted, especially the way the body was handled during the crime scene investigation.
He intends to go to trial, Altez said.
The body of Stephany Flores was found last week in a hotel room registered to van der Sloot. Hotel surveillance video shows the pair entering his room and van der Sloot leaving alone more than three hours later.
Altez said Flores attacked van der Sloot first, after he confronted her for going through his computer. Police said Flores was badly beaten and suffered a broken neck.
Van der Sloot confessed Monday night after a seven-hour interrogation to killing Flores, a source with direct knowledge of the investigation told CNN.
The Dutch citizen told investigators that he left the hotel room to buy bread and coffee at a gas station next to the hotel, the source said.
Upon van der Sloot's return, he found Flores going through his laptop, where she found something linking him to Holloway's disappearance, the source said.
At that point, Flores wanted to leave, and the pair started arguing, according to the source.
Flores slapped van der Sloot, and he hit her back, and then grabbed her neck, the source said.
Van der Sloot told investigators he had smoked marijuana before the confrontation, the source said.
Although Flores' body was found half-dressed, there was no evidence that she had sexual intercourse that night, the source said.
Van der Sloot, 22, was arrested in Chile on June 4 and returned to Peru the next day.
While he was never charged in connection with Holloway's disappearance in 2005, he has been charged in Alabama with extortion and wire fraud charges. According to a document from Interpol, van der Sloot contacted a representative of Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway, on or around March 29 to ask for $250,000 in exchange for information on the whereabouts of Natalee Holloway's remains.
Van der Sloot received $25,000 last month, officials said.
A representative for Holloway's mother who paid the money was an undercover FBI agent, a federal law enforcement official told CNN.
However, the FBI and the U.S. attorney's office in Birmingham, Alabama, said Wednesday that the FBI did not supply the money.
"Some news accounts have suggested that the FBI provided $25,000 in funds that were transmitted to van der Sloot. This is incorrect. The funds involved were private funds," the FBI and U.S. attorney's office said in a statement.
The FBI and U.S. attorney's office in Birmingham arranged for a meeting in which van der Sloot was paid $10,000 in cash and another $15,000 in a wire transfer, a source familiar with the case said. The meeting took place in May, according to the U.S. attorney's office in Birmingham.
Interpol documents show that the $15,000 was transferred to a personal bank account in the Netherlands. The information about Natalee Holloway that van der Sloot provided to the FBI was not true, according to the documents.
Although the investigation involving alleged extortion had been in motion for several weeks at the time of Flores' death, "it was not sufficiently developed to bring charges prior to the time van der Sloot left Aruba," the FBI statement said.
"This is not due to any fault on the part of the FBI or the U.S. attorney's office, where agents and prosecutors were working as hard as possible to bring the case to fruition when they learned of the murder. A case based on events outside of the United States is a complex matter, and work was proceeding with all deliberate speed to prepare the evidence, the charges and the necessary procedures to obtain custody of van der Sloot," the statement said.
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/10/peru.murder.case/index.html
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HE GUILTY
And he move chupid just like OJ.
Yuh get off
Stay outta trouble. No. Dey figure dey cyah get ketch cause he beat ah murder wrap so nothing could trump that.
Bad move.
Which women yuh know ent ah macco. Take yuh computer and shut it down or move it outta site.
He wanted she to mess with him, he figure is Peru and they backward so he could get away easy easy.
Bad move.
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He wanted she to mess with him, he figure is Peru and they backward so he could get away easy easy.
Bad move.
true, problem is he and he giant head kill ah rich man daughter
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Is true he ehad real big, if ah ants start to walk around he head, by de time it reach half way is ah damn batchack
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Is true he ehad real big, if ah ants start to walk around he head, by de time it reach half way is ah damn batchack
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: And he can get a job tuh stretch helmets!
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So, if de FBI din give this man $$$$ arguably the Peruvian woman would have been alive today?
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So, if de FBI din give this man $$$$ arguably the Peruvian woman would have been alive today?
The money came from the mother not the FBI. The FBI apparently had some charges they could have held him on (wire fraud), but also the Aruba police could have held him again for at least 180 days based on new evidence from that extortion incident.
I heard he passed through Colombia when two girls went missing as well, but haven't read if they found any further evidence to make a link.
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Official: Van der Sloot says he knows location of Holloway's body
he come back with this shit again
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So, if de FBI din give this man $$$$ arguably the Peruvian woman would have been alive today?
The money came from the mother not the FBI. The FBI apparently had some charges they could have held him on (wire fraud), but also the Aruba police could have held him again for at least 180 days based on new evidence from that extortion incident.
I heard he passed through Colombia when two girls went missing as well, but haven't read if they found any further evidence to make a link.
There are reports the FBI paid him $25K ... seems this was separate from what he received from the mother.
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So, if de FBI din give this man $$$$ arguably the Peruvian woman would have been alive today?
The money came from the mother not the FBI. The FBI apparently had some charges they could have held him on (wire fraud), but also the Aruba police could have held him again for at least 180 days based on new evidence from that extortion incident.
I heard he passed through Colombia when two girls went missing as well, but haven't read if they found any further evidence to make a link.
There are reports the FBI paid him $25K ... seems this was separate from what he received from the mother.
that story is real messed up
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20007505-504083.html
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Official: Van der Sloot says he knows location of Holloway's body
he come back with this shit again
ENTTTTTT
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So, if de FBI din give this man $$$$ arguably the Peruvian woman would have been alive today?
The money came from the mother not the FBI. The FBI apparently had some charges they could have held him on (wire fraud), but also the Aruba police could have held him again for at least 180 days based on new evidence from that extortion incident.
I heard he passed through Colombia when two girls went missing as well, but haven't read if they found any further evidence to make a link.
There are reports the FBI paid him $25K ... seems this was separate from what he received from the mother.
I think the answer is "both"... the way I interpret the reports is that someone connected to the FBI (perhaps an agent) who is also a relative of the mother arranged a wire transfer in the amount of $25k. Officially the FBI had no connection... but you know how that goes.
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So, if de FBI din give this man $$$$ arguably the Peruvian woman would have been alive today?
apparently the FBI sanctioned the payments to get him in their clutches. They wired a lawyer and sent him to meet with Joran for the second time.
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Holloway attorney details van der Sloot sting
John Q. Kelly set up suspect, who said he would show Holloway’s remains
TODAY
John Q. Kelly, the attorney for Natalee Holloway’s mother, recounts his involvement in a sting operation to nab Joran van der Sloot for murder and extortion.
Could the FBI have prevented Peru murder?
June 10: Federal sources say that before arresting Joran van der Sloot in an extortion sting, they wanted to confirm new clues in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway that he leaked for cash.
TODAYshow.com contributor
updated 12:58 p.m. ET, Fri., June 11, 2010
Joran van der Sloot was so desperate for money that $100 — with only a promise of more to come — was all he needed to further an FBI sting operation and spark a chain of events that ended with him confessing to a Peruvian woman's savage death, according to the lawyer who provided the funds.
In a TODAY exclusive, John Q. Kelly, an attorney for Natalee Holloway's mother, offered new details about the sting operation that likely allowed van der Sloot to flee Aruba for Peru.
Van der Sloot has been suspected almost from the beginning of being responsible for Natalee Holloway’s disappearance in Aruba five years ago, and Thursday, Peruvian police told NBC News that he admitted knowing the location of Holloway’s remains. They added that he was willing to tell authorities in Aruba where to find the Alabama teenager’s remains.
In March, van der Sloot reached out to Kelly, demanding $250,000 from Holloway’s mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, in exchange for leading Kelly to the teenager’s remains, Kelly told TODAY.
Kelly said that when van der Sloot contacted him, he did not think he was going to learn the truth. His feelings, he said, were, “skepticism, caution, assuming everything he was going to tell me was false — but I had to understandably think that it might be true, also; so approach it very carefully and keep communicating.”
Kelly agreed to meet van der Sloot alone and brought no money — angering the suspect. Kelly then called the FBI to set up a sting, telling TODAY it only took $100 to convince van der Sloot to start talking with him again.
'A win-win situation'
Kelly said he ultimately decided he couldn’t lose by playing along with van der Sloot's demands for money in exchange for revealing the location of Holloway's remains.
“It was a win-win situation. He was either going to pay the money, and if the information turned out to be true, Beth would get closure, she’d bring Natalie home. Assuming it was false, it would be extortion and wire fraud once falsehoods are proven. Either way, he’d be boxed in,” Kelly told TODAY. Kelly said van der Sloot wanted $25,000 up front, with the rest to be provided when the remains were recovered and proven to be Holloway’s, Kelly said.
So Kelly went to Aruba in April to meet with van der Sloot without telling anyone but his own wife and Twitty. He met van der Sloot for about two hours in a hotel.
“No money, no recording devices. Nobody knew I was there,” Kelly said Friday. “It was Easter Sunday. It was one-on-one in a hotel room for a couple hours. He thought I was bringing the $25,000. I engaged him in a long series of conversations. I was trying to get as much information as I could.”
Van der Sloot wanted money, and when Kelly said he didn’t have it with him, the man got “very angry, very agitated, very upset.”
Kelly said it was nerve-racking.
“He’s a big guy. He’s 6’4”, 225 [pounds], well built. He’s sort of a threatening individual when he gets angry, no question.”
When Kelly returned to the States, he contacted the FBI and began to set up the elaborate sting with the FBI and Aruban law-enforcement authorities.
He regained van der Sloot’s attention by sending him $100. Then, with a promise that he would bring $25,000, another meeting was set up for May 10 in Aruba.
This time, Kelly was hooked up with recording devices and rehearsed in how he needed to handle the transaction. He gave van der Sloot $10,000 in cash, establishing extortion, then had $15,000 of Twitty's personal money wired to van der Sloot’s bank account in the Netherlands, establishing wire fraud.
Van der Sloot and Kelly signed a contract, and van der Sloot took the lawyer on a drive to show where Holloway’s remains were. He pointed out a house and said his father had helped dispose of the body in the foundation. It was later determined that the house was not built when Holloway disappeared on her high school’s senior trip and that the information was false.
Van der Sloot himself told Kelly in an e-mail he apparently sent from Peru a week after the meeting that he had lied.
“He indicated it was all a hoax, which is sort of his M.O. with everybody — get the money, then say it’s a hoax and avoid criminal prosecution,” Kelly said.
'He's cold as ice'
After taking $25,000 in exchange for information that turned out to be false, Kelly said van der Sloot could have been arrested for wire fraud and extortion.
But authorities said that more work needed to be done to build the case and van der Sloot was not only left free, he was allowed to leave Aruba for South America, where he would meet Stephany Flores, the woman he confessed to killing, while participating in a poker tournament.
Holloway's mother is “obviously devastated. It’s the second nightmare for her,” Kelly told Lauer of Twitty’s reaction when she learned of Flores’ death. “Another young girl is dead and another family is living the nightmare she went through. Needless to say, she’s distraught right now.”
Kelly said he does not know why van der Sloot was allowed to remain free. “That wasn’t my call,” he said.
He also added that when he walked away from his meetings with van der Sloot having no doubt that the suspect is a psychopath. “You can look right into his eyes and see he’s cold as ice and pathological.”
Read more: http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37635627/ns/today-today_people/#ixzz0qdDTUoOu