I liked the Ref who called the Germany/Spain match...I don't know, but ah find Mr Webb does have a kinda attitude and try to dictate the way the game should be played instead of letting it be.
Big Up!
I liked the Ref who called the Germany/Spain match...I don't know, but ah find Mr Webb does have a kinda attitude and try to dictate the way the game should be played instead of letting it be.
Big Up!
I liked the Ref who called the Germany/Spain match...I don't know, but ah find Mr Webb does have a kinda attitude and try to dictate the way the game should be played instead of letting it be.
Big Up!
I liked the Ref who called the Germany/Spain match...I don't know, but ah find Mr Webb does have a kinda attitude and try to dictate the way the game should be played instead of letting it be.
Big Up!
Agreed not a fan of Webb I find him weak on the big decisions. But I had a feeling he would get the final. I liked the ref yesterday and the Argentinian Ref.
I liked the Ref who called the Germany/Spain match...I don't know, but ah find Mr Webb does have a kinda attitude and try to dictate the way the game should be played instead of letting it be.
Big Up!
Agreed not a fan of Webb I find him weak on the big decisions. But I had a feeling he would get the final. I liked the ref yesterday and the Argentinian Ref.
Howard Webb is good. Very good, in fact....but I have seen him make plenty mistakes.....he ain't all what he's being hyped up to be.
I agree with that, I think his best trait is the way he communicates with the players but I don't have him up there with Rosetti
I agree with that, I think his best trait is the way he communicates with the players but I don't have him up there with Rosetti
Yeah but Rosetti shat the bed big time in this cup.
...and does be lettin' out some loud, stink, watery ones in the Champions' League, too.
Web let's the little fouls go and lets the game flow. I think that's a big asset of his.
....but does make some terrible decisions, too, like de ress ah dem.
According to the german news this morning, Paul the Octopus in Oberhausen, Germany predicts the winner on Saturday to be Germany and on Sunday to be Spain. Let's C
According to the german news this morning, Paul the Octopus in Oberhausen, Germany predicts the winner on Saturday to be Germany and on Sunday to be Spain. Let's C
http://www.youtube.com/v/vXCRWjedWqk
:devil:
http://www.youtube.com/v/8bRn8lt5M1Q&feature=player_embedded
Spanish Queen visits the dressing room after the Germany game.
Spain will start off nervous but will end up 3-0. David Villa will buss the net twice. Xavi or someone else finally scores too... Don't need no Octopus for this.Thank you oh great swammy. can you pre tell, give me the win 4 numbers for tomorrow?
http://www.youtube.com/v/8bRn8lt5M1Q&feature=player_embedded
Spanish Queen visits the dressing room after the Germany game.
puyol is really a bastard oui...he couldn't self put on a pants!
Spain will start off nervous but will end up 3-0. David Villa will buss the net twice. Xavi or someone else finally scores too... Don't need no Octopus for this.u sound like you so sure that happening Holland got to much guns up front to NOT score,but u sound like you see the game already :beermug:
http://www.youtube.com/v/vXCRWjedWqk
:devil:
don't worry no pnealty drama because spain winning 3-1.
don't worry no pnealty drama because spain winning 3-1.
Steups!!
don't worry no pnealty drama because spain winning 3-1.just like Brazil was going to win,men jus hopping from team to team HOLLAND ALL THE WAY,like you see the game already too
Just to throw this out..but wasn't the Dutch and their decendents responsible for apartheid in South Africa?
and allyuh backing Holland? :devil:
I could be wrong so don't take me too seriuosly ;D
don't worry no pnealty drama because spain winning 3-1.just like Brazil was going to win,men jus hopping from team to team HOLLAND ALL THE WAY,like you see the game already too
Just to throw this out..but wasn't the Dutch and their decendents responsible for apartheid in South Africa?
and allyuh backing Holland? :devil:
I could be wrong so don't take me too seriuosly ;D
Everybody do shit including Africans. Take allyuh time with racism ting nah. Just watch the football.
Just to throw this out..but wasn't the Dutch and their decendents responsible for apartheid in South Africa?
and allyuh backing Holland? :devil:
I could be wrong so don't take me too seriuosly ;D
dis game gettin wild now
Spain have completely lost their rythm.
Holland playing wild, and only trying to break the game up and find Robben
more of d same 2nd half. d dutch not going to let Spain dominate in d passing, plain and simple.
Robben do shit dey... dat supposed tuh be 1-0 Oranje after that great pass by Sneijder(?)
dat was good goal keeping by casillasRobben do shit dey... dat supposed tuh be 1-0 Oranje after that great pass by Sneijder(?)
2nd miss of d tournament
1st was by dat nigerian player in d early stages
sorry guys ,but are there any Suriname born players on this Dutch side ?
Holland don't deserve to win this game. They don't really deserve to be in the Final, with their negative tactics. It would really be a shame if they pull out a winner here.......stueps
Holland don't deserve to win this game. They don't really deserve to be in the Final, with their negative tactics. It would really be a shame if they pull out a winner here.......stueps
sorry guys ,but are there any Suriname born players on this Dutch side ?
thankssorry guys ,but are there any Suriname born players on this Dutch side ?
Eljero Elia born 13 February 1987 in Voorburg) is a Dutch footballer of Surinamese descent, who plays for German Bundesliga club Hamburger SV and the Netherlands national team
Edson Braafheid born 8 April 1983 in Paramaribo) is a Surinamese-born Dutch footballer who currently plays as a left back for German Bundesliga club Bayern Munich.thankssorry guys ,but are there any Suriname born players on this Dutch side ?
Eljero Elia born 13 February 1987 in Voorburg) is a Dutch footballer of Surinamese descent, who plays for German Bundesliga club Hamburger SV and the Netherlands national team
thanks again ,now no worries watch the game . ;DEdson Braafheid born 8 April 1983 in Paramaribo) is a Surinamese-born Dutch footballer who currently plays as a left back for German Bundesliga club Bayern Munich.thankssorry guys ,but are there any Suriname born players on this Dutch side ?
Eljero Elia born 13 February 1987 in Voorburg) is a Dutch footballer of Surinamese descent, who plays for German Bundesliga club Hamburger SV and the Netherlands national team
If Holland want to win this....i hope they realise who inbetween Spain posts....and try and win this outside of penalties.
The longer this match goes the better it augurs for Spain. The Dutch have been doing a lot of chasing and appear leg weary... especially Robben and Sneijder.
Defense-splitting ball by Iniesta. Fabregas you self!
thanks again ,now no worries watch the game . ;DEdson Braafheid born 8 April 1983 in Paramaribo) is a Surinamese-born Dutch footballer who currently plays as a left back for German Bundesliga club Bayern Munich.thankssorry guys ,but are there any Suriname born players on this Dutch side ?
Eljero Elia born 13 February 1987 in Voorburg) is a Dutch footballer of Surinamese descent, who plays for German Bundesliga club Hamburger SV and the Netherlands national team
Absolute shit call by Howard Webb... Heitinga should feel rightly aggrieved as both yellow cards on him was shit calls. Now we get to suffer because the Dutch have no choice at this point but to play for penalties.
Absolute shit call by Howard Webb... Heitinga should feel rightly aggrieved as both yellow cards on him was shit calls. Now we get to suffer because the Dutch have no choice at this point but to play for penalties.
hup holland, hup!! hup allyuh ass outta South Africa!!
i dont like how this game flowing. ref shitting up de game boy. giving out cards like candy dread...steups
steups!!!!.....I sour since Arjen Robben didn't score he first one on one with Casillas.....
Yes. I'm officially depressed....:'( :'( :'(
Finally. Time to wrap up this WC and move on.
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ref give Spain it
Finally. Time to wrap up this WC and move on.
You serious? What ah go do with meh life now?! ;D
One small victory for positive football.
Hopefully we could see more teams getting away from the counter-attacking shit tactics Italy invented, but I doubt it.
If Holland win ,the Dutch ppl would swear ,this was the most beautiful game they ever saw .
Is it just me that think Netherlands should of had a corner before the play that led to the goal?
Oh and yeah, screw you Octupussy....:banginghead: :frustrated: :cursing: :cursing: ;D ;D
nice of d holland team to remain on d pitch an congratulate d spaniardsI agree with yuh, just my opinion.
i doh know, but i jus doh feel spain deserve to win d cup, or ah bein too harsh :-\
Bun Spain! Everyone knows their fans are the most racist towards black players. Aint some of you sick of cheering for the colonizer teams? I am glad this world cup is over.
Is it just me that think Netherlands should of had a corner before the play that led to the goal?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_the_Octopus
My uncle pothound born around dah time.
And i feel he psychic. He does know when he going and get food or licks and does act to suit. I go start using he to predict football oui.
Is it just me that think Netherlands should of had a corner before the play that led to the goal?
Thats what they were arguing about ..... the next play Spain went down the field and score..
Bun Spain! Everyone knows their fans are the most racist towards black players. Aint some of you sick of cheering for the colonizer teams? I am glad this world cup is over.
yuh record stick..nearly all "white" countries "colonize" black countries.
Bun Spain! Everyone knows their fans are the most racist towards black players. Aint some of you sick of cheering for the colonizer teams? I am glad this world cup is over.
yuh record stick..nearly all "white" countries "colonize" black countries.
I know. It seems like this thing called the "world cup" makes the colonizer look like good guys. Hopefully a different story in 2014.
lawd have mercy
d waggonistic behaviour on facebook is disgusting. almost everybody profile pic change to a spain flag or jersey now. steups ::)
lawd have mercy
d waggonistic behaviour on facebook is disgusting. almost everybody profile pic change to a spain flag or jersey now. steups ::)
Yeah! My brethrin overjoyed cuz he 5th side is spain.
lawd have mercy
d waggonistic behaviour on facebook is disgusting. almost everybody profile pic change to a spain flag or jersey now. steups ::)
Yeah! My brethrin overjoyed cuz he 5th side is spain.
The dutch coach never had ah back up plan. his strategy was roben roben and more roben. roben himself never utilize kuit and van pursie since he always drew the tripple ream. the ref was also ah hinderance.
sorry tuh see such ah softy team winnin the cup, them boys does play the game like girls. finally the divers won ah cup. hard luck dey neatherland.
Diego Forlan was named as the World Cup's MVP while Thomas Mueller was named as the Top Goalscorer (due to his three assists - that was the determining factor) and the Best Young Player of the Tournament
At the start of the day I would have respected a spain win, but they dive too much and I can't respect that.
Villa is gone, so looks like Mueller gets the golden boot (on assists - don't yuh love it weary?), unless Sneijder can still manage something
Diego Forlan was named as the World Cup's MVP while Thomas Mueller was named as the Top Goalscorer (due to his three assists - that was the determining factor) and the Best Young Player of the Tournament
thanks...i am happy for forlan...after fergie nearly crushed his career.
At the start of the day I would have respected a spain win, but they dive too much and I can't respect that.
I know Capdevillia is a duttiness long time...buh since dis cup start...i iniesta rel dissapoint me.
Against switzerland he dive..man get a yellow.
Now here...today.
Poor.
Dis diving really becoming too prominent in de game. Almost ALL teams dive/play act. Real sickening.
2 tactical mistakes...substituting d 2 hardworking players that should have remained
Dirk Kuyt(always creates) & Giovanni van Bronckhorst (dat led to Van der Vaart letting Iniesta score)
2 tactical mistakes...substituting d 2 hardworking players that should have remained
Dirk Kuyt(always creates) & Giovanni van Bronckhorst (dat led to Van der Vaart letting Iniesta score)
ironic that Holland abandoned their philosophy and were beaten by a country and team that embraced it.like when three spainairds dive in the box at the start of extra time.
ironic that Holland abandoned their philosophy and were beaten by a country and team that embraced it.like when three spainairds dive in the box at the start of extra time.
ironic that Holland abandoned their philosophy and were beaten by a country and team that embraced it.like when three spainairds dive in the box at the start of extra time.
How hyppocritical! . Van Bommell and Robben diving all tournament. Drogba, Ronaldo, Gerrard, Van Persie, Rooney, Messi, Iniesta, Fabiano, Capdivella the list is endless, all divers. Its an epidemic in football, it has nothing to do with Spain. more to do with weak referees.
PS You telling me Villa was not fouled on the shot! Like yuh watch the game with yuh 3D glasses off ;D
Nightmare the first yellow was for a foul also on Iniesta... needless to say it was barely a foul if that. Definitely not a yellow
Hard luck Holland... happy for Spain, vex it came at Holland's expense.
I need to get in touch with Paul yes... I need some lotto numbers.
Spain will start off nervous but will end up 3-0. David Villa will buss the net twice. Xavi or someone else finally scores too... Don't need no Octopus for this.
ironic that Holland abandoned their philosophy and were beaten by a country and team that embraced it.
I don't know how a man could kick a man in his chest and stay on the field. Holland could have easily had 2 ejections in this game. It real hard for me to watch that game and say the ref favoured Spain.
Hate to say I told you so, but Howard Webb is a weak referee. He actually should have sent off DeJong on the first half and Villa should have had a penalty and, and, and, and.
Nightmare the first yellow was for a foul also on Iniesta... needless to say it was barely a foul if that. Definitely not a yellow
Hard luck Holland... happy for Spain, vex it came at Holland's expense.
I need to get in touch with Paul yes... I need some lotto numbers.
You cant be serious. All the commentators called for a straight red for that tackle!
PS You telling me Villa was not fouled on the shot! Like yuh watch the game with yuh 3D glasses off ;D
I don't know how a man could kick a man in his chest and stay on the field. Holland could have easily had 2 ejections in this game. It real hard for me to watch that game and say the ref favoured Spain.
Hear nah watching highlights ah dat kick by DeJong? i just ha to shake meh head yes, ah feel dat was one ah de best (by day ah mean nastiest, red-card-worthy) foul of the de whole world cup...i would love to know what DeJong could have possibly be saying after dat foul..... A A dey now show it again...unbelievable.
I don't know how a man could kick a man in his chest and stay on the field. Holland could have easily had 2 ejections in this game. It real hard for me to watch that game and say the ref favoured Spain.
hup holland, hup!! hup allyuh ass outta South Africa!!
lawd have mercy
d waggonistic behaviour on facebook is disgusting. almost everybody profile pic change to a spain flag or jersey now. steups ::)
PS You telling me Villa was not fouled on the shot! Like yuh watch the game with yuh 3D glasses off ;D
Yes, I'm telling you he was not fouled on the shot... the Dutch player put his leg in front of him and got all ball, Villa's follow thru then hit the Dutch player (can't remember who it was) leg and he fall.
before the game, someone almost got their hands on it
(http://static.foxsports.com/content/fsc/img/2010/07/11/World-Cup-trophy-_20100711144021_0_0.JPG)
http://www.youtube.com/v/5lMfS1tKpp4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lMfS1tKpp4&feature=player_embedded
PS You telling me Villa was not fouled on the shot! Like yuh watch the game with yuh 3D glasses off ;D
Yes, I'm telling you he was not fouled on the shot... the Dutch player put his leg in front of him and got all ball, Villa's follow thru then hit the Dutch player (can't remember who it was) leg and he fall. Iniesta dove just before that play during the sequence, and Fabregas as well, just on the outskirt of the box.
PS You telling me Villa was not fouled on the shot! Like yuh watch the game with yuh 3D glasses off ;D
Yes, I'm telling you he was not fouled on the shot... the Dutch player put his leg in front of him and got all ball, Villa's follow thru then hit the Dutch player (can't remember who it was) leg and he fall. Iniesta dove just before that play during the sequence, and Fabregas as well, just on the outskirt of the box.I don't know how a man could kick a man in his chest and stay on the field. Holland could have easily had 2 ejections in this game. It real hard for me to watch that game and say the ref favoured Spain.
Hear nah watching highlights ah dat kick by DeJong? i just ha to shake meh head yes, ah feel dat was one ah de best (by day ah mean nastiest, red-card-worthy) foul of the de whole world cup...i would love to know what DeJong could have possibly be saying after dat foul..... A A dey now show it again...unbelievable.
De man raise he hand right away and acknowledge his mistake... kudos to Webb for his restraint. If it occurred later in the game, or in any other game it was a straight red I sure.
PS You telling me Villa was not fouled on the shot! Like yuh watch the game with yuh 3D glasses off ;D
Yes, I'm telling you he was not fouled on the shot... the Dutch player put his leg in front of him and got all ball, Villa's follow thru then hit the Dutch player (can't remember who it was) leg and he fall. Iniesta dove just before that play during the sequence, and Fabregas as well, just on the outskirt of the box.I don't know how a man could kick a man in his chest and stay on the field. Holland could have easily had 2 ejections in this game. It real hard for me to watch that game and say the ref favoured Spain.
Hear nah watching highlights ah dat kick by DeJong? i just ha to shake meh head yes, ah feel dat was one ah de best (by day ah mean nastiest, red-card-worthy) foul of the de whole world cup...i would love to know what DeJong could have possibly be saying after dat foul..... A A dey now show it again...unbelievable.
De man raise he hand right away and acknowledge his mistake... kudos to Webb for his restraint. If it occurred later in the game, or in any other game it was a straight red I sure.
I will not debate with you on this. From the time you say DeJong tackle had "no intent." Look at the youtube clip and tell me no intent. Look where the ball is and what DeJong did! Frigging Alonso is heading the ball
Very hard to believe that De Jong intended to jump kick Alonso in his chest... We really think he meant to puncture the guy's lung? I mean seriously now....
His challenged was poorly timed and the height of his boot was very very reckless indeed.
I give him the benefit of the doubt there, and while he should have been red carded for the degree of recklessness in the challenge, I'm glad that he wasn't. Red cards- especially early ones kill the game...
Alonso wasn't seriously hurt, a direct goal scoring chance wasn't prevented and De Jong played the rest of the game "fairly"...all's well that ends well.
holland playing that brand a few years now but some of their fans delusional to think it is total football, despite the unattractiveness of their style, it is very effective and several months ago i had them as the dark horse to win the world cup because their brand totally disrupts the opposition style of play and leads to frustration which they then exploit.
Nightmare the first yellow was for a foul also on Iniesta... needless to say it was barely a foul if that. Definitely not a yellow
Hard luck Holland... happy for Spain, vex it came at Holland's expense.
I need to get in touch with Paul yes... I need some lotto numbers.
You cant be serious. All the commentators called for a straight red for that tackle!
Do you even know what the f**k yuh talking about? I'm talking about Heitinga, not DeJong... at least figure out which Man City Dutch player people talking about before yuh look to chook yuh mouth next time.
After that feast of anti - football yesterday afternoon I decided to get away from it all.
I went on a date and my companion asked me if I wanted to 'go Dutch' on the restaurant bill.
So I raked my studs down her chest, called the waiter a wanker and then left in tears.
;D ;D
Villa? I thought it was Xavi involved on that play, kicking the defender's leg...
wasn't a pk in my opinion. The defender got to the ball first, Xavi (I think- not Villa) was already in kicking motion and didn't see the defender coming through and ended up kicking his foot. The defender played the ball, not the man...so no foul.
Under all the shit talk, I cannot understand how anybody could say that Nigel (Jet Li) DeJong kicking Alonso in his friggin chest was "unintentional".
Which part of that was accidental?
The run-up to gain the required momentum?
The jumping to gain the required elevation?
The extending of the leg to deliver the knock-out impact?
The perfect delivery of the kick (that would make Jet Li, Jackie Chan and even the late Bruce and Brandon Lee proud)?
No wait, the appologetic raising of his hands after flattening Alonso... yeah, that was the "unintentional part".
Bottom line, he should have been sent to f*ck off! Because that was perhaps the most brazen foul of the entire cup. A move like that is only acceptable in MMA. It is worse than Mike Tyson biting Evander Hollyfield's ear in a boxing match. At least Mike was fighting with Evander!
....I doesn't understand how men could come on here (or anywhere!) and try to defend de jong and holland and the way they played yesterday. Even if Xavi Alonso or no other opposing player was within 50 yards of that ball, what player in football, do we ever see try to play the ball using a karate style jump-kick like de jong did? NONE! It's not even a natural move and he and all woulda played the ball differently. Now you put an opponent in front of him and look what he do.......that is all the "intent" you need and Webb shoulda sent 'im off. Also, the notion that an early sending-off would have spoiled the game...Spoiled it how and whose fault would that have been, the ref's fault? Or the player? So if Suarez woulda did the same thing he did against Ghana in the first five minutes of the game the ref shouldn'ta sent him off? Or should the referee use that same discretion at the end of the game (since the game nearly done) as he should use at the beginning and NOT give out cards then as well? Allyuh men good oui! So when should van persie should have gotten a yellow card for that kick he unleash on a man in the first two or three minutes of the game or better yet, at what stage in the game should a referee really begin to enforce the rules? In the 20th minute? The 40th? At the start of the second half? Maybe somewhere between the 65th and 75th minutes, just to keep the card count to a minimum? What do the rules say? I could only shake meh head at some of the shit I does see here on this forum yes.
I will not debate with you on this. From the time you say DeJong tackle had "no intent." Look at the youtube clip and tell me no intent. Look where the ball is and what DeJong did! Frigging Alonso is heading the ball
Sorry gentlemen we will have to agree to disagree on this one. What DeJong did has no place in football. I do not for one minute believe that the importance of the game, is any excuse. Nor do I believe that the position on the field that it occured should impact the decision (you cannot be half pregnant).
The coach shoulda started wid ellia and gave the spaniards ah suprise. they woulda had tuh change their strategy drastically, but the coach didn't have ah plan.2 tactical mistakes...substituting d 2 hardworking players that should have remained
Dirk Kuyt(always creates) & Giovanni van Bronckhorst (dat led to Van der Vaart letting Iniesta score)
In the past bringing on Elia worked, but he eh make ah note when he came on. As for the van Bronckhorst subsitution...well I still scratching mih head.....
In fact I remarked during the game that the Spanish substitution to bring on Navas made an immediate effect on Spain's game....the subs for Holland on the other hand didn't work IMO.....
....I doesn't understand how men could come on here (or anywhere!) and try to defend de jong and holland and the way they played yesterday. Even if Xavi Alonso or no other opposing player was within 50 yards of that ball, what player in football, do we ever see try to play the ball using a karate style jump-kick like de jong did? NONE! It's not even a natural move and he and all woulda played the ball differently. Now you put an opponent in front of him and look what he do.......that is all the "intent" you need and Webb shoulda sent 'im off. Also, the notion that an early sending-off would have spoiled the game...Spoiled it how and whose fault would that have been, the ref's fault? Or the player? So if Suarez woulda did the same thing he did against Ghana in the first five minutes of the game the ref shouldn'ta sent him off? Or should the referee use that same discretion at the end of the game (since the game nearly done) as he should use at the beginning and NOT give out cards then as well? Allyuh men good oui! So when should van persie should have gotten a yellow card for that kick he unleash on a man in the first two or three minutes of the game or better yet, at what stage in the game should a referee really begin to enforce the rules? In the 20th minute? The 40th? At the start of the second half? Maybe somewhere between the 65th and 75th minutes, just to keep the card count to a minimum? What do the rules say? I could only shake meh head at some of the shit I does see here on this forum yes.
Calm down dude. Everyone agrees that he shoulda gotten a red card. I eh see no one claim it wasn't a red card offense. Nobody eh say that red card offenses early in a game are undeserved of red cards...come nah man, iz like allyuh just like tuh argue....I said that early red cards have the potential to kill a match so as a neutral spectator in retrospect I wasn't too upset that he got away with it....If yuh think Holland's football was negative yesterday, just imagine how dem fellas woulda played if they were reduced to 10 men early o' clock...as sh*tty as the match was yesterday, it woulda been even worse.
As far as intent goes, I can't imagine that De Jong intended to fly in with a jump kick into Alonso's chest...It jus' doh make sense even for a wild man like him. Many a time yuh see football pics of players coming at the ball all kinda how and yuh first thought is "how his foot reach dey?"... I prefer to think that it was one of those. Unless he and Alonso had some serious beef, and real hate pass on the field off camera, I prefer tuh give him the benefit of the doubt and see it as an awkward, wreckless and ultimately horrendous challenge which fortunately didn't cause too much bodily harm.
Alonso was able to get up and play, De Jong didn't carry on with any more nonsense, and the better team won- All's well that ends well.
http://www.youtube.com/v/o9WOtUL90xM
cassillas and he woman 8)
http://www.youtube.com/v/CekIw5moE5c
So Bake the argument you puttin forth is that De Jong's kick was so bad, so stupid, so potentially costly, that it had to be something other than intentional.
I know you like to talk about not seeing the forest for all the trees.
That is exactly what happenin with you here, so ironic.
De Jong lost his head in that instant, that is all.
It happened before and it will happen again.
I am calm. dude. What in my post suggests otherwise? First off, a man being sent off early doesn't guarantee a game being spoiled. If anything, maybe holland would have tried to play football instead of jujitsu for fear of losing another man. Secondly, a man doh have to have prior beef with somebody for a reckless challenge to be "intentional". This ain't bloods and crips on Crenshaw Boulevard we talkin' 'bout here. In the context of a sport like football, if I know that jumping in with a two-footed, studs-up challenge can hurt my opponent if he happen to put his foot where I land, and he then does put his foot there and get it broken, then that is intent enough. Same with de jong yesterday. He KNEW Xavi Alonso was coming, he KNEW that he could only hurt him with the tackle he made and he did. Retrospect has no place while the game is being played, so Xavi being able to continue means nothing at that point, nor are the rules made up and/or enforced to please neutral observers. If anything, you want to protect the integrity and credibility of the game, if neutral observers are your target audience. Also, at what point does the protection of the players take precedent? Again, though, I ask the question. At what point does a referee really enforce the rules? Because, if, according to you, sending a man off early will spoil the game, well wouldn't it "spoil" the game in the 65th minute, too? Thing is, holland has been playing some form of negative football since the QF game against Brazil. They just went from one extreme (diving and rolling around in agony at the slightest touch) to the other yesterday (mixed martial arts). If anything had the potential for "spoiling" the game, it was that.
So Bake the argument you puttin forth is that De Jong's kick was so bad, so stupid, so potentially costly, that it had to be something other than intentional.
I know you like to talk about not seeing the forest for all the trees.
That is exactly what happenin with you here, so ironic.
De Jong lost his head in that instant, that is all.
It happened before and it will happen again.
Dai's de best yuh could come up with? I not seeing the forest for the trees... and DeJong ketch ah vaps and intentionally plant ah size 5 in Xabi chest?
Okay.
So Bake the argument you puttin forth is that De Jong's kick was so bad, so stupid, so potentially costly, that it had to be something other than intentional.
I know you like to talk about not seeing the forest for all the trees.
That is exactly what happenin with you here, so ironic.
De Jong lost his head in that instant, that is all.
It happened before and it will happen again.
Dai's de best yuh could come up with? I not seeing the forest for the trees... and DeJong ketch ah vaps and intentionally plant ah size 5 in Xabi chest?
Okay.
I already analyse the man position and kick motion, so no that is not all I come with.
What you come with?
From: Tribalfootball.
Real Madrid’s Alonso criticises Man City’s de Jong for horror challenge
13.07.10 | Andrew Slevison
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Real Madrid midfielder Xabi Alonso has criticised Manchester City’s Nigel de Jong following a horror challenge that left Alonso with a broken rib.
The aerial challenge by Holland’s de Jong came in the World Cup final on Sunday, which was won by Alonso’s Spain, and the former Liverpool man said it was one of the worst tackles he has experienced.
“I am in pain now. It was one of the worst tackles I have ever had. They had to close us down, it was a tight game and there is respect from both sides,” Alonso said.
“The challenge was really hard, it was one of the most painful tackles in my life. It was hard to play on. I have probably broken a rib.”
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I am calm. dude. What in my post suggests otherwise? First off, a man being sent off early doesn't guarantee a game being spoiled. If anything, maybe holland would have tried to play football instead of jujitsu for fear of losing another man. Secondly, a man doh have to have prior beef with somebody for a reckless challenge to be "intentional". This ain't bloods and crips on Crenshaw Boulevard we talkin' 'bout here. In the context of a sport like football, if I know that jumping in with a two-footed, studs-up challenge can hurt my opponent if he happen to put his foot where I land, and he then does put his foot there and get it broken, then that is intent enough. Same with de jong yesterday. He KNEW Xavi Alonso was coming, he KNEW that he could only hurt him with the tackle he made and he did. Retrospect has no place while the game is being played, so Xavi being able to continue means nothing at that point, nor are the rules made up and/or enforced to please neutral observers. If anything, you want to protect the integrity and credibility of the game, if neutral observers are your target audience. Also, at what point does the protection of the players take precedent? Again, though, I ask the question. At what point does a referee really enforce the rules? Because, if, according to you, sending a man off early will spoil the game, well wouldn't it "spoil" the game in the 65th minute, too? Thing is, holland has been playing some form of negative football since the QF game against Brazil. They just went from one extreme (diving and rolling around in agony at the slightest touch) to the other yesterday (mixed martial arts). If anything had the potential for "spoiling" the game, it was that.
Again I agree the offense was red card offense. It didn't happen... oh well. They still lost, and all is well.
By the way, you're a big time optimist if you feel that a red card in the 28th minute woulda forced Holland to "come out and play"... that's a contradiction to conventional wisdom if I've ever heard it....
I was being sarcastic, dude. We likely would have had a repeat of the holland-portugal game of '06 and they just would have focused on trying to get a Spaniard sent off but my optimism comes in my faith in Spain not being as affected by holland's play as they seemed to be, if proper justice was being meted out by the officials, and taking a 10-man side apart before possibly unraveling themselves. If that is what you and others call "spoiling the game", oh well. It happens. The thing is, holland was playing ugly football from since the QF and that is proof (to me) that they had absolutely no intentions of "coming out and playing" against superior teams. Doesn't change the fact that tackles like the one de jong put on alonso has no place in football and should have been punished accordingly by webb no matter what effect it would have had on the game, no matter what the game, the circumstances or the stakes.
Very hard to believe that De Jong intended to jump kick Alonso in his chest...
I was being sarcastic, dude. We likely would have had a repeat of the holland-portugal game of '06 and they just would have focused on trying to get a Spaniard sent off but my optimism comes in my faith in Spain not being as affected by holland's play as they seemed to be, if proper justice was being meted out by the officials, and taking a 10-man side apart before possibly unraveling themselves. If that is what you and others call "spoiling the game", oh well. It happens. The thing is, holland was playing ugly football from since the QF and that is proof (to me) that they had absolutely no intentions of "coming out and playing" against superior teams. Doesn't change the fact that tackles like the one de jong put on alonso has no place in football and should have been punished accordingly by webb no matter what effect it would have had on the game, no matter what the game, the circumstances or the stakes.
You keep saying the same thing that is irrelevant to what I'm saying. Again, I'm not using the effect on the game to justify Webb's no-call. I never said that a ref should consider the balance of the game in making such calls...(I think he made the call based on his perception of intent- and I agree with him on that, but we see it differently and could talk in circles about that forever so there's no point to it).....The point that I'm making is from a neutral spectator standpoint. I'm saying that in retrospect, the no-call didn't adversely affect the game, and in fact it probably served to preserve some quality of the match...so as a spectator I hold no grudge. The better side still won, De Jong didn't use his get out of jail free card as license to continue the nonsense, and Alonso suffered no major damage (to my knowledge)...All's well that ends well.
I was being sarcastic, dude. We likely would have had a repeat of the holland-portugal game of '06 and they just would have focused on trying to get a Spaniard sent off but my optimism comes in my faith in Spain not being as affected by holland's play as they seemed to be, if proper justice was being meted out by the officials, and taking a 10-man side apart before possibly unraveling themselves. If that is what you and others call "spoiling the game", oh well. It happens. The thing is, holland was playing ugly football from since the QF and that is proof (to me) that they had absolutely no intentions of "coming out and playing" against superior teams. Doesn't change the fact that tackles like the one de jong put on alonso has no place in football and should have been punished accordingly by webb no matter what effect it would have had on the game, no matter what the game, the circumstances or the stakes.
You keep saying the same thing that is irrelevant to what I'm saying. Again, I'm not using the effect on the game to justify Webb's no-call. I never said that a ref should consider the balance of the game in making such calls...(I think he made the call based on his perception of intent- and I agree with him on that, but we see it differently and could talk in circles about that forever so there's no point to it).....The point that I'm making is from a neutral spectator standpoint. I'm saying that in retrospect, the no-call didn't adversely affect the game, and in fact it probably served to preserve some quality of the match...so as a spectator I hold no grudge. The better side still won, De Jong didn't use his get out of jail free card as license to continue the nonsense, and Alonso suffered no major damage (to my knowledge)...All's well that ends well.
Actually I think he broke a rib, can someone confirm?
I will not debate with you on this. From the time you say DeJong tackle had "no intent." Look at the youtube clip and tell me no intent. Look where the ball is and what DeJong did! Frigging Alonso is heading the ballQuoteSorry gentlemen we will have to agree to disagree on this one. What DeJong did has no place in football. I do not for one minute believe that the importance of the game, is any excuse. Nor do I believe that the position on the field that it occured should impact the decision (you cannot be half pregnant).
But Suarez' deliberate handball does? Yuh trying tuh be jokey or what?
If you don't believe the importance of the game shouldn't factor into a ref's decision to penalize players then what's the point of even giving ref's discretion?
For you, Socapro, Peong, Slates et al who arguing that DeJong "intentionally" kicke Xabi in he solar plexus let's examine this:
1. I think we all would agree that intent or not, the foul is red card-worthy.
2. We all would agree that any player who intentionally jump-kick another player in the neck, should be issued a red card
3. We all would agree that most, if not all players would recognize this
4. We all would agree that after 28 minutes of play there is still a lot of football left in the game, especially when there is no score yet.
5. We all would agree that no reasonable player would want his team to play a man down for any amount of time, let alone 62 minutes.
... assuming we can agree on all of the above (if you disagree then feel free to), of what benefit would it be to DeJong or his team for him to deliberately ("with intent") commit a red card worthy foul, and gamble against the odds (the foul being so flagrant) that he'd be allowed to stay on in the game and not sent to the showers early?
Is it your argument that:
-He lost his head, saw Xabi coming and decided, red card be damned "I running up he chest to let him know he cyah come across my midfield"?
-Did he say "Howard Webb know how we does roll in de EPL man... he cyah send mih off fuh ah jumpkick this big World Cup final... let Alonso ketch foot in he ass"?
... or was it more likely, simply an excessively reckless play, that he didn't intend to kick him in the chest, but thru a boneheaded decision he went in high and couldn't pull out fast enough?
Very hard to believe that De Jong intended to jump kick Alonso in his chest...
aight Kicker, if you say so!!
(http://estaticos.marca.com/marcador/futbol/2010/mundial/final/hol_spa/img/15_300x410.jpg)
I telling yuh, anytime ah man hit me a kick to check on a football field so, both ah we getting ah red card cause is real fight.
To be fair to Webb. I heard an interview with Dermot Gallagher who spoke to Webb.
Webb said that Alonso's body was between him and De Jong so he couldn't see the leg. He saw it at half-time (I don't know why thay let refs watch their mistakes during a match) and he would have sent DeJong off if he saw it.
I hear real people criticising webb saying he should have spoken to players and not given cards but when Van Persie run right through a man in the 2nd minute how much talking he could do.
His assistant didn't see the kick?? Dais not what they are there for?? If I remember correctly, the referee didn't see Zidane's head butt back in 2006 it was the linesman who drew it to his attention.....and well you could miss Materazzi rolling around on the ground....
His assistant didn't see the kick?? Dais not what they are there for?? If I remember correctly, the referee didn't see Zidane's head butt back in 2006 it was the linesman who drew it to his attention.....and well you could miss Materazzi rolling around on the ground....
Well that is the question. What did the lineman see? It is a real murky area though because the linesman always have to be watching two places at once.
Also once the ref calls the foul. The linesman does not assume that he missed the incident. If the ref gives DeJong a yellow the linesman assumes that the ref saw the incident and used his judgement, just as most of us did when we saw it live on TV from distance without the benefit of slow-mo and multiple angles. I don't know if it the linesman job to question the ref's judgement on calls that the ref sees. What would have been different is if Webb solicited the linesman's opinion on the incident.
In the Zidane incident....i think it was the 4th official who drew it to the attention of the referee. Not the linesmen. Which was a bit controversial.
And....i sympathize with webb..cuz he woulda be damned if he did..damned if he didnt. I doh think he saw it honestly.....we get the benefit of multiple angles and not having to decide in a split second.
Ok it was an intentional stamp...
What next?
just send him off for wildness.
(http://i.imgur.com/XAnvT.jpg)
Ok it was an intentional stamp...
What next?
bake n' shark, there is a flaw in your 2nd point in particular and your argument in general. give it up. yuh will never get out of the steno pool with dese half-wit arguments. ::)
bake n' shark, there is a flaw in your 2nd point in particular and your argument in general. give it up. yuh will never get out of the steno pool with dese half-wit arguments. ::)
Yeah... de flaw is that I di'n write it in crayons with ah nice stick figure diagram tuh better suit yuh comprehension. Next time. Besides... I quite like de steno pool, ah reach mih level and liking it.
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Man trying tuh come with all kinda subjective definition of intent now... intent mean intent, except when it doh mean intent. Somebody go have to break down de meaning on "intent" in de basketball and cricket sense fuh mih.
Besides, if DeJong did really intend tuh jump-kick Xabi in he chest he woulda bawl "kiiyaaaaiii" right as he plant he foot in he solar plexus.
Villa? I thought it was Xavi involved on that play, kicking the defender's leg...
wasn't a pk in my opinion. The defender got to the ball first, Xavi (I think- not Villa) was already in kicking motion and didn't see the defender coming through and ended up kicking his foot. The defender played the ball, not the man...so no foul.
I think you're right that it was Xavi. I recall the incident as you decribe... JDB apparently was getting de Spanish feed.
Right that's it the Spanish feed. I'm sure that is how you recall what you saw but you saw wrong.
It is not surpring that you missed it and also not surprising that instead of wondering if you got it wrong you make smart remarks about what I watch.
Right that's it the Spanish feed. I'm sure that is how you recall what you saw but you saw wrong.
It is not surpring that you missed it and also not surprising that instead of wondering if you got it wrong you make smart remarks about what I watch.
I swear, you are the easiest mark on this forum.
Right that's it the Spanish feed. I'm sure that is how you recall what you saw but you saw wrong.
It is not surpring that you missed it and also not surprising that instead of wondering if you got it wrong you make smart remarks about what I watch.
I swear, you are the easiest mark on this forum.
Resorting to off topic namecalling when yuh wrong about something... didn't see that one coming.
"namecalling"?
Why am I not surprised that my "mark" comment went over your head... even as you validate its very substance.
As for validation, your "mark" comment has as much substance as you seeing the Dutch defender touch the ball.
Namecalling as in typically empty, baseless pejoratives, usually unrelated to the actual topic of discussion. I shouldn't say baseless though..they all seem to be founded on the assumption that your lofty opinion is akin to fact.
As for validation, your "mark" comment has as much substance as you seeing the Dutch defender touch the ball.
people still in this forum?? like allyuh have WC tabanca or wha? :devil:
Namecalling as in typically empty, baseless pejoratives, usually unrelated to the actual topic of discussion. I shouldn't say baseless though..they all seem to be founded on the assumption that your lofty opinion is akin to fact.
As for validation, your "mark" comment has as much substance as you seeing the Dutch defender touch the ball.
Since the reference obviously continues to escape you, let me help you out. Me saying you're an easy mark was not in fact "namecalling" as you so foolishly interpreted it to be. In fact it was far from being a "pejorative" and was deliberately said in jest to elicit a response... one which you were more than willing to provide.
The episode harkens back to that time two-three years ago when in a similar haste you accused me of being a racist on par with the KKK, simply because you failed to understand my response to just cool. I would explain the rest but it's clear from your responses thus far that I'd just be wasting my time... kill you dead somebody engaging in calling you names. But as I said, with your thin-skinned responses you only continue to validate my statement.
You're setting a false frame of reference and making the response that you see fit. You're referring to an incident where I admittedly misread a post. But even in that response I was not "thin skinned" since the statement was not directed to me. I did respond in kind, based on the original mischaracterization.
In this case I reply to your post with a dissenting opinion, you reply to mine (in passing), not with a focus on what we were actually talking about but with diversionary snark. Somehow my next response is an escalation and the result of thin-skinnedness and every subsequent response is proof of such as if I somehow baying at the moon and not replying to actual statements from you.
The "mark" characterization is wrong because I rarely bother to get into these tit for tats and never have the need to get into personal attacks. If we can't find common ground after a few fair exchanges of the issue at hand we might as well not bother. Seems like we at such an impasse right now because we gone way off topic and...kill you dead I thin-skinned and you just this cool even handed lovable misunderstood jester.