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General => Entertainment & Culture Discussion => Topic started by: Queen Macoomeh on August 16, 2010, 02:31:30 PM
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steupse... >:(
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Lol... yeah I not believing the hype. Ah might ketch it soon doh, but definitely not a fan of DiCaprio and not feeling the trailer.
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I have no problem with diCaprio. In fact, he was pretty good as acting goes but the whole premise of the movie was illogical. Folks left saying "oooo how deep and intense" but if you study the story, it really made little sense.
steupse...
I'm beginning to think Sound of Music was the best movie ever.
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:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Girl, I planning to go and see this movie cuz ah hear is de bomb....so I see the title of yuh thread and think ah ha...ah real live report.....and ah nearly dead when ah see yuh post....oh lawdie....
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I have no problem with diCaprio. In fact, he was pretty good as acting goes but the whole premise of the movie was illogical. Folks left saying "oooo how deep and intense" but if you study the story, it really made little sense.
steupse...
I'm beginning to think Sound of Music was the best movie ever.
Too many movies going fuh de magic twist in de end rather than focus on good storytelling. In the case of a couple (Brooklyn's Finest and Book of Eli, if yuh ask me) they have great storytelling and somehow manage to undo it by going fuh de spectacular at the end.
There can be only one "Sixth Sense", yet everybody keep trying to ketch that lightning in a bottle all over again. Ultimately I have to reserve judgment until I see it... but going in I skeptical.
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Queen go and watch it again, it go make more sense the second time around..
thats what i did and thats how i understand de heights cause in truth i was real lost for the first half of the movie first time i saw it.
The movie boss, like a pardner tell me, he eh come out a cinema with that sensation since the first Matrix movie. If yuh didnt like that yuh probably wouldnt like this.
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The movie boss,
Correck is right.
Me eh no DiCaprio fan but de movie bad. He jes happen to be in it and he wasn't bad. Is not like dey had Tom Cruise playin de lead character whey ah woulda stay way from de movie jes fuh dat.
Actually....boss is an understatement wit dis movie.
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explain the boss sentiment.
What made it boss?
Once you get past the big picture, dreams within dreams and manipulation within and look at how they strung it together, tell me where the logic lies?
Let's say I buy the fact that 6 people could hook up a tube to a grey suitcase and dream the same dream.
Cobb's consciousness derails everything, everytime right?
Was he mad going in? Did his (grand) Mal redefine everybody else's dreams?
A simple SIMPLE, yet HUGE fact like Fischer's military experience is overlooked by Smarty Arthur.
the 3rd level was supposed to take you into insanity but all man end up there intact.
Saito (love that man!) wasn't mad at all, just old and he remembered everything including a quote he and Cobb shared...
I could go on, and will if you care to indulge me.
Please help me see the "boss movie"...
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but queen, all that maths you gone thru dey, you could pretty much do with any blockbuster movie. Maybe is just not your kettle of fish.
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but queen, all that maths you gone thru dey, you could pretty much do with any blockbuster movie. Maybe is just not your kettle of fish.
nah well all that maths is what they expected to wow people with ent? if they say come see the movie because it have plenty shooting I would not expect more than shooting and eat my popcorn and done. People are oohing and aaahing about how deep it was and the logic and amazing psychological feats but there were none.
I saw Matrix and liked it, Fishburne was his usual cool dude self...like Keanu and Jada...story held my interest enough to make me see the sequel. I got entertainment value.
The Bourne Trilogy - nice, love it. Matt Damon proved himself.
With Inception, all I got was annoyed...lol.
With Book of Eli, it looks far too violent for me so I will pass.
steupse...
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With Book of Eli, it looks far too violent for me so I will pass.
steupse...
Really not that violent... no more than the usual post-apocalyptic (Mad Max, I Am Legend) shoot 'em up. One scene whey ah man hand loss ah fight with ah 3-canal... but dai'z about it.
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With Book of Eli, it looks far too violent for me so I will pass.
steupse...
Really not that violent... no more than the usual post-apocalyptic (Mad Max, I Am Legend) shoot 'em up. One scene whey ah man hand loss ah fight with ah 3-canal... but dai'z about it.
And de bar fight...And the street shooting... :beermug:
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nah well I am one of those brave scaredy-cats....lol
plenty mout but if it have someting in de ghost house I not going...ah does hide behine meh mister and tell him to go an check.
serious doh, I can't handle violence...
One thing I like with Inception though...that dress Mal was wearing...lawd...I want one so. But...hmmm..if I wear that it mightn' look the same nuh...in troot.
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serious doh, I can't handle violence...
Eat, Pray, Love....handle dat
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serious doh, I can't handle violence...
Eat, Pray, Love....handle dat
...and sappy, lovey dovey drivel does put me in a coma...
people in tearta go boof me because I would steupse troo de whole ting.
I don't know a thing about EPL...
I like a edge to a movie, action, good dialogue, a plot or plan.
Dutty you saw Inception or have shares in it?
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serious doh, I can't handle violence...
Eat, Pray, Love....handle dat
dread ah get drag out under duress to see that last week.... :puking:
ah shoulda known when i sit down in the cinema and take a glance around and count and is only me and about 6 other fellas in the whole cinema all sporting the same sour (yet fakingly accomodating) look on we face.. except for the one fruity guy who was wholeheartedly enjoying the whole show.
going and take in the The Expendables this weekend to replenish the testosterone levels lol
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nah, EPL sounding real lame...
I would not drag my poor mister to those things. If I en putting myself through that, why should I put him through it? I like him...lol
The last movie we saw together (prior to Inception) was It's Complicated. We both enjoyed it, nice couple's movie...jokes, slackness, ole talk, good acting. We come home laughing...
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I have no problem with diCaprio. In fact, he was pretty good as acting goes but the whole premise of the movie was illogical. Folks left saying "oooo how deep and intense" but if you study the story, it really made little sense.
steupse...
I'm beginning to think Sound of Music was the best movie ever.
Too many movies going fuh de magic twist in de end rather than focus on good storytelling. In the case of a couple (Brooklyn's Finest and Book of Eli, if yuh ask me) they have great storytelling and somehow manage to undo it by going fuh de spectacular at the end.
There can be only one "Sixth Sense", yet everybody keep trying to ketch that lightning in a bottle all over again. Ultimately I have to reserve judgment until I see it... but going in I skeptical.
No need to be skeptical. This eh no sh*tty story with some predictable or illogical plot twist. This is an excellent script that has been well executed
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explain the boss sentiment.
What made it boss?
Once you get past the big picture, dreams within dreams and manipulation within and look at how they strung it together, tell me where the logic lies?
Let's say I buy the fact that 6 people could hook up a tube to a grey suitcase and dream the same dream.
Cobb's consciousness derails everything, everytime right?
Was he mad going in? Did his (grand) Mal redefine everybody else's dreams?
A simple SIMPLE, yet HUGE fact like Fischer's military experience is overlooked by Smarty Arthur.
the 3rd level was supposed to take you into insanity but all man end up there intact.
Saito (love that man!) wasn't mad at all, just old and he remembered everything including a quote he and Cobb shared...
I could go on, and will if you care to indulge me.
Please help me see the "boss movie"...
This was a sci fi movie. If iz logic you going after, then you shouldn't like any sci fi, or modern day action thriller as they all have elements of fantasy. You definitely can't enjoy any super hero movie either. So don't watch these types of movies.
And to address your simple yet HUGE fact. People make mistakes or overlook things all the time in the real world, regardless of research, scouting etc... If that is the biggest flaw you found then you really just biased against the movie. Nuttin wrong with that, but the vast majority of moviegoers disagree with you.
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serious doh, I can't handle violence...
Eat, Pray, Love....handle dat
dread ah get drag out under duress to see that last week.... :puking:
ah shoulda known when i sit down in the cinema and take a glance around and count and is only me and about 6 other fellas in the whole cinema all sporting the same sour (yet fakingly accomodating) look on we face.. except for the one fruity guy who was wholeheartedly enjoying the whole show.
going and take in the The Expendables this weekend to replenish the testosterone levels lol
went to see Expendables yesterday
if you want high body count, explosions, kick-ass beat-em-up action and stunts, somewhat lame attempts at witty dialogue (but amusing nevertheless) then this is the one to see to take away the edge from Eat Pray Love.
I lost count of how many people Rambo/Rocky et al kill. Had to be in excess of 250.
And the scene where Micky Rourke shed a tear? f**k yeah. LOL
btw, Queen, doh waste yuh money on this one .. but the rest of us who doh give a damn about the plot or acting or dialogue, very entertaining movie to watch. Even Mrs P enjoyed it.
As for Inception, one of the more entertaining movies I have seen this year. You have to suspend your belief at the door before going in to see it.
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...uhmm..but I am still allowed my opinion despite the masses of movie goers going in the other direction, right?
My point was that this thing was billed as high science, people calling it deep and ultra conscious...
is it?
Or is it a high action, loads of special effects movie? Entertaining, action...all that I agree with.
Logical? Nope.
Science Fiction is supposed to be science fiction, ent? I'm a trekkie and to me, they are brilliant. Ever read Dan Simmons? Nothing short of boss writing - awaiting his movie and hoping it can work on the screen.
When I go to see the Superman movie I don't expect logic, I expect blue tights and flying...that is fiction science.
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explain the boss sentiment.
What made it boss?
Once you get past the big picture, dreams within dreams and manipulation within and look at how they strung it together, tell me where the logic lies?
Let's say I buy the fact that 6 people could hook up a tube to a grey suitcase and dream the same dream.
Cobb's consciousness derails everything, everytime right?
Was he mad going in? Did his (grand) Mal redefine everybody else's dreams?
A simple SIMPLE, yet HUGE fact like Fischer's military experience is overlooked by Smarty Arthur.
mo, an answer to this was alluded to in de film - arthur was clearly distracted by ariadne. the director's cut will hopefully shed more light.
the 3rd level was supposed to take you into insanity but all man end up there intact.
Saito (love that man!) wasn't mad at all, just old and he remembered everything including a quote he and Cobb shared...
there is some debate about the meaning of the ending and whether it represented the mission's success or failure. you seem to assume the former but there's enough evidence to conclude the latter.
...uhmm..but I am still allowed my opinion despite the masses of movie goers going in the other direction, right?
My point was that this thing was billed as high science, people calling it deep and ultra conscious...
is it?
Or is it a high action, loads of special effects movie? Entertaining, action...all that I agree with.
Logical? Nope.
Science Fiction is supposed to be science fiction, ent? I'm a trekkie and to me, they are brilliant. Ever read Dan Simmons? Nothing short of boss writing - awaiting his movie and hoping it can work on the screen.
When I go to see the Superman movie I don't expect logic, I expect blue tights and flying...that is fiction science.
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this movie is more in line with the phillip k dick type of science fiction (paycheck, blade runner, etc.) which delves into cognition, memory, and dreams.
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...uhmm..but I am still allowed my opinion despite the masses of movie goers going in the other direction, right?
uhmmm..yeah. Which is why I said just that. No need for sarcasm. It doh make sound any more clever or make your view any more correct.
You didn't like it. Daz okay, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I never claimed that it was high science, deep or ultra conscious. It was an original script, with solid acting and terrific special effects. To me that equates to a boss movie, to you it doesn't. Fair enough.
You appreciate Star Trek, yet have no issues with warping, teleporting to different locations etc... But you have issues with people hooking up to a machine and sharing a dream. Okay then
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uhmmm..yeah. Which is why I said just that. No need for sarcasm. It doh make sound any more clever or make your view any more correct.
You didn't like it. Daz okay, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I never claimed that it was high science, deep or ultra conscious. It was an original script, with solid acting and terrific special effects. To me that equates to a boss movie, to you it doesn't. Fair enough.
You appreciate Star Trek, yet have no issues with warping, teleporting to different locations etc... But you have issues with people hooking up to a machine and sharing a dream. Okay then
but ent you decided to tell me that I "definitely can't enjoy any super hero movie either. So don't watch these types of movies."? No sarcasm there at all? Was that your clever opinion too?
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Never said you claimed it was high science Marcos.
Yep Star Trek has a logic to it and much of the science is coming to pass. The fiction part is largely the other life forms they meet.When you start dealing with subconsciousness and the human element of sleep and dreaming, you are no longer dealing with logic - not yet. Psychology is still considered a pseudo-science.
I simply do not like advertising to decide what is intelligent for me. That's all. And that is how this movie was billed. Otherwise it's an action movie.
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Dutty at the Movies
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Dutty at the Movies
Shhh!! at watchin ah downloaded version of Eat, Pray , Bacchanal
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yuh like bacchanal eh?
I jes ask somebody here to explain Inception to me and all he said was "Like it was like so totally deep I got lost."
dais what have me amused and steupsing...
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but ent you decided to tell me that I "definitely can't enjoy any super hero movie either. So don't watch these types of movies."? No sarcasm there at all? Was that your clever opinion too?
No sarcasm in there at all. I was making a rational suggestion based on your prior statements. No attempt at sarcasm. I really didn't think you would enjoy super hero flicks because they aren't grounded in reality, so I suggested that you avoid them.
I'm interested in hearing what you thought was illogical in the movie.
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Well me eh see the movie so I doh want to wade in juss yet... but watching ah Iron Man or Spider Man movie you already know that you're expected to suspend belief as to what's plausible. However, there is still some sort of logical connect throughout the plot, where even if you say "nah, dem cyah fly/stick tuh wall", yuh could still follow the developments and say "this makes sense", or "this ent make no damn sense at all". To me, not to speak for anybody else... but to me, that says there's is still some sort of logic to the movie.
From what Queen Maccomere saying she find there are logical disconnect at different points in the movie... the problem for her doesn't seem to be in the premise upon which the movie is based (seeing/controlling what others dream), but rather the sequences that flow from that premise... which really speaks to the script.
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From what Queen Maccomere saying she find there are logical disconnect at different points in the movie... the problem for her doesn't seem to be in the premise upon which the movie is based (seeing/controlling what others dream), but rather the sequences that flow from that premise... which really speaks to the script.
Maybe I wasn't explaining that clearly?
...love Super Hero movies... ;D
...wait...Bake n Shark and I on the same page?
:cheers:
going an buy a lottery ticket. If it win I will share...
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Well me eh see the movie so I doh want to wade in juss yet... but watching ah Iron Man or Spider Man movie you already know that you're expected to suspend belief as to what's plausible. However, there is still some sort of logical connect throughout the plot, where even if you say "nah, dem cyah fly/stick tuh wall", yuh could still follow the developments and say "this makes sense", or "this ent make no damn sense at all". To me, not to speak for anybody else... but to me, that says there's is still some sort of logic to the movie.
From what Queen Maccomere saying she find there are logical disconnect at different points in the movie... the problem for her doesn't seem to be in the premise upon which the movie is based (seeing/controlling what others dream), but rather the sequences that flow from that premise... which really speaks to the script.
nice explanation of the differentiation between suspension of belief and logical flow of the movie
From a logical flow, I did not think the inconsistencies in logic from a first viewing took away from the film (there was a major one that Queen did not mention - maybe the explanation is there and I will find it when I watch it a second time and pay attention to the detail - but I rationalized that it was me who did not understand the logic as opposed to the logic being flawed).
I would be curious to hear you views after you watch it.
There was so much going on in the movie that I will have to watch it a second and maybe third time to fully capture the detail. And perhaps that in itself is a major flaw in the movie.
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but I rationalized that it was me who did not understand the logic as opposed to the logic being flawed).
therein lies the rub...folks walked out of the cinema saying it was so deep they missed it. Was it deep in troot?
Let me know what you think on the 2nd/3rd try. I'm going to see Shrek with mini-me... ;D
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...wait...Bake n Shark and I on the same page?
:cheers:
going an buy a lottery ticket. If it win I will share...
Well as dey say "even a broken clock is right twice a day"... today muss be yuh day ;D
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...wait...Bake n Shark and I on the same page?
:cheers:
going an buy a lottery ticket. If it win I will share...
Well as dey say "even a broken clock is right twice a day"... today muss be yuh day ;D
yes man! And I am a woman of my word. I will buy you a working clock!
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I would be curious to hear you views after you watch it.
There was so much going on in the movie that I will have to watch it a second and maybe third time to fully capture the detail. And perhaps that in itself is a major flaw in the movie.
Dai's de thing... I ent want to spend money twice and from the looks of things I might have to. So ah trying to wait until it come out on DVD.
Last time I spend money to go see the same movie/s twice was back in 1999... loved the first "Matrix" and "Blade" so much that ah went and see both twice... actually think ah see Blade 3 times, if ah not mistaken.
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yes man! And I am a woman of my word. I will buy you a working clock!
LOL... right, right... :rotfl:
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I saw Sound of Music 17 times...now I know all the lyrics!
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I saw Sound of Music 17 times...now I know all the lyrics!
I see it about 5 times mihself... but dai's only because dey does show it every year. Unlike you I wasn't around when it was playing in theatah ;D
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I saw Sound of Music 17 times...now I know all the lyrics!
I see it about 5 times mihself... but dai's only because dey does show it every year. Unlike you I wasn't around when it was playing in theatah ;D
at least thirteen times for the film, and thrice on stage for me
One of my all time favourite movies (that and The Good, The Bad and the Ugly). Then the next one was Victor Victoria (especially when Julie Andrews appeared topless)
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I saw Sound of Music 17 times...now I know all the lyrics!
I see it about 5 times mihself... but dai's only because dey does show it every year. Unlike you I wasn't around when it was playing in theatah ;D
too bad, you miss seeing the fella playing the piano in pit den...
and a time de flim strip buss an de projectilist stick it back with chingum.
Nutsman...Ben Hur, Ten Commandments, Bodyguard, The Bourne Series, Victor Victoria, Indiana Jones...
then add in all the Disney films because my children watch them so I am a captive audience.
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Well I have seen inception twice. And the second time was able to catch many things that weren't clear to me the first time as I wasn't struggling to keep up.
I was hoping Queen could point out what she thought "didn't make sense" because from reading her comments, it's obvious that she really didn't follow what was going on.
(a) Cobb's consciousness derails everything, everytime right?
No, it's his subconscious, so he didn't have active control over it. Make sense?
(b) Was he mad going in?
Perhaps, but that doesn't affect the logical progression of the story, and may even explain a few things.
(c) Did his (grand) Mal redefine everybody else's dreams?
Clearly everyone had the ability to alter any of the dreams. Thus the presence of an architect etc.
(d) A simple SIMPLE, yet HUGE fact like Fischer's military experience is overlooked by Smarty Arthur.
You're saying it's illogical that a smart person can overlook a detail or do insufficient research? Come on.
(e) the 3rd level was supposed to take you into insanity but all man end up there intact.
What do you mean by in tact? Clearly Saito was confused and aged dramatically and Cobb himself had difficulty remembering who he was.
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From a logical flow, I did not think the inconsistencies in logic from a first viewing took away from the film (there was a major one that Queen did not mention - maybe the explanation is there and I will find it when I watch it a second time and pay attention to the detail - but I rationalized that it was me who did not understand the logic as opposed to the logic being flawed).
details?
Psychology is still considered a pseudo-science.
you is a scientologist? ??? :D
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Well I have seen inception twice. And the second time was able to catch many things that weren't clear to me the first time as I wasn't struggling to keep up.
I was hoping Queen could point out what she thought "didn't make sense" because from reading her comments, it's obvious that she really didn't follow what was going on.
It's obvious to whom?
(a) Cobb's consciousness derails everything, everytime right?
No, it's his subconscious, so he didn't have active control over it. Make sense?
ok, so his sub consciousness derails everything, right? Not askign abotu active control, I am referring to the way his subconscious controls the way the dream (for everyone) unfolds
(b) Was he mad going in?
Perhaps, but that doesn't affect the logical progression of the story, and may even explain a few things.
if he was mad going in then everything remains inexplicable, because madness, by definition, is just that.
(c) Did his (grand) Mal redefine everybody else's dreams?
Clearly everyone had the ability to alter any of the dreams. Thus the presence of an architect etc.
they may have had the ability, but none could alter Mal. hence my question in (a)
(d) A simple SIMPLE, yet HUGE fact like Fischer's military experience is overlooked by Smarty Arthur.
You're saying it's illogical that a smart person can overlook a detail or do insufficient research? Come on.
it was a convenient, makeshift detail to overlook and helped to propel the story. Slick.
(e) the 3rd level was supposed to take you into insanity but all man end up there intact.
What do you mean by in tact? Clearly Saito was confused and aged dramatically and Cobb himself had difficulty remembering who he was.
Cobb said the 3rd level was abject madness. If he were mad going in, then he would be a drooling idiot by the 3rd level. Saito did not appear confused at all. Aged, yes, that was the way the timeline moved at that level. Mind you, despite being at that level too, Cobb did not age.
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From a logical flow, I did not think the inconsistencies in logic from a first viewing took away from the film (there was a major one that Queen did not mention - maybe the explanation is there and I will find it when I watch it a second time and pay attention to the detail - but I rationalized that it was me who did not understand the logic as opposed to the logic being flawed).
details?
Psychology is still considered a pseudo-science.
you is a scientologist? ??? :D
Psych major...close ;D
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Here is one fan's attempt to answer many of the questions that the audience had difficulty with.
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Inception-Explained-Unraveling-The-Dream-Within-The-Dream-19615.html
If you trying to poke holes in it without truly trying to understand, then this dialog really eh makin sense.
It is possible to not comprehend something that is perfectly logical and makes perfect sense. It all depends on your willingness and capacity to understand it.
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Here is one fan's attempt to answer many of the questions that the audience had difficulty with.
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Inception-Explained-Unraveling-The-Dream-Within-The-Dream-19615.html
If you trying to poke holes in it without truly trying to understand, then this dialog really eh makin sense.
It is possible to not comprehend something that is perfectly logical and makes perfect sense. It all depends on your willingness and capacity to understand it.
we agree it is possible to assume something is perfectly logical and makes perfect sense. It all depends on how willing you are to look past the "explanations". :angel:
suffice to say you liked it and found it logical, I didn't.
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Bakes I bought the ticket!
Now let's move on to Sound of Music.
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Well I have seen inception twice. And the second time was able to catch many things that weren't clear to me the first time as I wasn't struggling to keep up.
I was hoping Queen could point out what she thought "didn't make sense" because from reading her comments, it's obvious that she really didn't follow what was going on.
It's obvious to whom?
i kinda think you miss some stuff too... but that was easy to do in this movie
(a) Cobb's consciousness derails everything, everytime right?
No, it's his subconscious, so he didn't have active control over it. Make sense?
ok, so his sub consciousness derails everything, right? Not askign abotu active control, I am referring to the way his subconscious controls the way the dream (for everyone) unfolds
Hi subconscious doesn't control the dream... the architect constructs the dreamspace of the dreamer... the dreamer then fills the dream with their subconscious... anyone sharing the dream can also have their subconscious manifest in the dream e.g. mal, the train, etc
(b) Was he mad going in?
Perhaps, but that doesn't affect the logical progression of the story, and may even explain a few things.
if he was mad going in then everything remains inexplicable, because madness, by definition, is just that.
Well a theory that people have was that everything was his dream and that he never exited his dream at the end... so maybe he was mad.. again doesnt affect the logic
(c) Did his (grand) Mal redefine everybody else's dreams?
Clearly everyone had the ability to alter any of the dreams. Thus the presence of an architect etc.
they may have had the ability, but none could alter Mal. hence my question in (a)
correct, no-one could alter Mal as she was a projection of his subconscious... but it is a shared dream so everyone's minds are interacting... the fact that the team were in dreams planting and stealing ideas shows that that you could yes, redefine someones dream
(d) A simple SIMPLE, yet HUGE fact like Fischer's military experience is overlooked by Smarty Arthur.
You're saying it's illogical that a smart person can overlook a detail or do insufficient research? Come on.
it was a convenient, makeshift detail to overlook and helped to propel the story. Slick.
happens in almost every damn movie... but it was not illogical and who is to say it couldnt happen in real life... human beings are prone to lapses and laziness ALL THE TIME.... also Fischer didnt have military experience... his subconscious was trained to be "militarized" to defend against dream attacks just like Saito
(e) the 3rd level was supposed to take you into insanity but all man end up there intact.
What do you mean by in tact? Clearly Saito was confused and aged dramatically and Cobb himself had difficulty remembering who he was.
Cobb said the 3rd level was abject madness. If he were mad going in, then he would be a drooling idiot by the 3rd level. Saito did not appear confused at all. Aged, yes, that was the way the timeline moved at that level. Mind you, despite being at that level too, Cobb did not age.
the 3rd dream level was the snow fort... you probably meant the fourth dream level or limbo... mal and his wife spent 50 years in Limbo and came out fine.. (well that debateable).. they said the longer you spent in there you would lose your touch with reality... Saito was clearly confused he did not remember Cobb at all... Cobb did not remember him either... it is only when Saito saw the top and they mentioned taking a leap of faith that they started to remember each other and everything came back... otherwise Saito had no idea he was dreaming in the 30-40 years he spent in Limbo
Answers in blue... ask me anything... i could write a phd on this movie.... but if you ent like it, you ent like it...
people tastes different...
if you want to talk about plothole.... how come Fischer ent recognize Saito who supposed to be a big Captain of Industry and a DIRECT rival of he father?? That was glaring to me.. but i could overlook it
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Bakes I bought the ticket!
Now let's move on to Sound of Music.
Thank goodness... I enjoying de convo but deez fellas getting heavy with de plot analysis so I have tuh selectively pick and choose what ah reading lest they spoil it fuh mih.
Whey yuh want tuh start wid Sound ah Music?
My Favorite Things is one ah mih all-time favorite songs in de wirl.
Dat scene wid Julie Andrews on de mountaintop singing "The Sound of Music", I also remember that being in de opening sequence of "That's Hollywood"... de half hour sumting that used to show on TTT back in de day.
I also remember "Do Re Mi" and "Climb Ev'ry Mountain" very well.. had tuh learn dat when I was in choir from Standard Three on up in Primary School.
I was never into dem Rogers and Hammerstein musicals... but this one is ah classic.
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nice...
3 people so far giving me links to go to but they not explaining the movie to me for themselves. I appreciate your time FF.
aight...
I am willing to accept that I may have missed things that would make this movie gel. I'm not so big that I have to go through wrong and strong. I cah learn dat way.
Let's work this out with all due respect for your PhD in Inception. :D
a) I am still asking. Does Cobb's subconscious derail everything? If so why? All 6 went under, they are in Ariadne's creation. Fischer is the target. Suddenly the train from Cobb's subconscious rams through the street. Everyone is affected by it but no Mal yet. No further roadblocks from Fischer's subconscious despite military training - he just has bodyguards.
You give Mal and the train as examples but they are examples of ONLY Cobb...so I'm back to my question at the top.
b) madness, by its very definition affects logic. Does it not? If you're saying this movie is the dream of a madman, I can live with that. The "illogic" reigns. There is no way to explain it or rationalize it and I can expect nothing more.
c) I don't get that. Only one person was being manipulated - Fischer. He was the one whose dreams were being orchestrated.
Mal never showed up at the hotel either did she? Convenient no?
d) Who trained Fischer's mind to be militarized? Surely not any of those who hoped to hijack it? Fischer's and Saito's mind are not that alike. Saito's defenses and dream guards were logical, deductive, defensive, one of the few things I rather liked.
e) Alright, snow fort was 3rd level. 4th was..??
No Cobb and his wife didn't come out fine. Mal came out mad as a hatter and I suspect, so did Cobb. You can't watch your beloved commit suicide, be guilt ridden and come out fine after 50 years in deep sleep. Even he said it is abject insanity - a black psychological hole.
Yet...all he and Saito were, was confused and forgetful?
Yep, good point about Fischer not recognizing his arch business rival.
and Fischer never having heard of the dream stealing/idea planting - seemed a rather sharp guy otherwise.
I'm beginning to think this movie was more about madness than science. If so, I good.
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Bakes I bought the ticket!
Now let's move on to Sound of Music.
Thank goodness... I enjoying de convo but deez fellas getting heavy with de plot analysis so I have tuh selectively pick and choose what ah reading lest they spoil it fuh mih.
Whey yuh want tuh start wid Sound ah Music?
My Favorite Things is one ah mih all-time favorite songs in de wirl.
Dat scene wid Julie Andrews on de mountaintop singing "The Sound of Music", I also remember that being in de opening sequence of "That's Hollywood"... de half hour sumting that used to show on TTT back in de day.
I also remember "Do Re Mi" and "Climb Ev'ry Mountain" very well.. had tuh learn dat when I was in choir from Standard Three on up in Primary School.
I was never into dem Rogers and Hammerstein musicals... but this one is ah classic.
I enjoying the explainments doh...
My favourite scene in SoM is the wedding...that dress...to this day, gives me goose pimples!
And den when mudda superior buss dat chune Climb Ev'ry Mountain, yes man....
I could give de lil nazi, what he name again...Rolf, one hard slap...
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I enjoying the explainments doh...
My favourite scene in SoM is the wedding...that dress...to this day, gives me goose pimples!
And den when mudda superior buss dat chune Climb Ev'ry Mountain, yes man....
I could give de lil nazi, what he name again...Rolf, one hard slap...
Nah doh get mih wrong... I consider mihself ah flim buff so I does live fuh deez kinda discussions, but on dis one ah have to sit out. Ah done bias against Leo and toting feelings against de people dem movie, ah doh want to spoil everything before ah actually see it, so ah skipping past some ah dem explanations fuh now.
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From a logical flow, I did not think the inconsistencies in logic from a first viewing took away from the film (there was a major one that Queen did not mention - maybe the explanation is there and I will find it when I watch it a second time and pay attention to the detail - but I rationalized that it was me who did not understand the logic as opposed to the logic being flawed).
details?
never mind .. what I though was inconsistent was explained to me by Mrs P. (who pays more attention to detail than I do) - it had to do with the inner ear balance that would bring you out of the dream. My questions was why did they not come out in the van chase when it rolled. Mrs P say it had to do with the drug that allowed then to go deeper. what do you think?
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if you want to talk about plothole.... how come Fischer ent recognize Saito who supposed to be a big Captain of Industry and a DIRECT rival of he father?? That was glaring to me.. but i could overlook it
Me too brother!!!!!!!!!
I was real wondering about that. Only thing is if the man was a silent investor or something and was real behind d scenes. They never said he was CEO
Bakes dis is a must see, if just to get in on the discussions.
Queen M repect your view, but I feel you eh givin the movie a fair chance man. Watch it again, you will like it.
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nice...
3 people so far giving me links to go to but they not explaining the movie to me for themselves. I appreciate your time FF.
aight...
I am willing to accept that I may have missed things that would make this movie gel. I'm not so big that I have to go through wrong and strong. I cah learn dat way.
Let's work this out with all due respect for your PhD in Inception. :D
a) I am still asking. Does Cobb's subconscious derail everything? If so why? All 6 went under, they are in Ariadne's creation. Fischer is the target. Suddenly the train from Cobb's subconscious rams through the street. Everyone is affected by it but no Mal yet. No further roadblocks from Fischer's subconscious despite military training - he just has bodyguards.
You give Mal and the train as examples but they are examples of ONLY Cobb...so I'm back to my question at the top.
Well of course it does... if you remember Arthur was asking if he could control Mal (his subconscious) and also Cobb had ask Ariadne not to tell Arthur about his memories he had hidden away in his own built dream with the elevator... this seems to imply that the team had some level of control over their subconscious manifestations while dreaming... but Cobb was losing his grip due to his grief and GUILT about his wife's death...
b) madness, by its very definition affects logic. Does it not? If you're saying this movie is the dream of a madman, I can live with that. The "illogic" reigns. There is no way to explain it or rationalize it and I can expect nothing more.
What actions or scenes were illogical in your opinion that would have anything to do with his "madness"? I don't see any at all
c) I don't get that. Only one person was being manipulated - Fischer. He was the one whose dreams were being orchestrated.
Mal never showed up at the hotel either did she? Convenient no?
So what if she didn't show up until later?? Cobb had clearly been trying to control his subconscious and his GUILT but couldn't... she could have showed up at any time. One theory is that he felt GUILTY about Incepting his wife... so the closer he got to that point of the mission, the stronger his GUILTY projections became... i.e. Mal showing up
Also Fischer was the target of Inception... but they were all dreaming... it was shared dreamscape... but each level belonged to one persons dream that they shared... First level was the Chemists dream and he stayed behind... Hotel level was Arthurs dream... Snow Fort was Eames dream.
d) Who trained Fischer's mind to be militarized? Surely not any of those who hoped to hijack it? Fischer's and Saito's mind are not that alike. Saito's defenses and dream guards were logical, deductive, defensive, one of the few things I rather liked.
Who trained Saito? they never said... So at least a few people were aware of the "technology" and or techniques... the Chemist had a whole setup in Africa with people dreaming.... why is it so far fetched that a wealthy person would have the means to be trained to militarize his subconscious to protect dream thefts?
e) Alright, snow fort was 3rd level. 4th was..??
No Cobb and his wife didn't come out fine. Mal came out mad as a hatter and I suspect, so did Cobb. You can't watch your beloved commit suicide, be guilt ridden and come out fine after 50 years in deep sleep. Even he said it is abject insanity - a black psychological hole.
Yet...all he and Saito were, was confused and forgetful?
4th level was limbo... a shared level of unconstructed dreamspace... the only thing there is what was left by others before... Mal and Cobb's city... Saito went there when he died and he filled it with his subconscious (his mansion, guards etc)
Also you could argue that Mal came out mad because he performed the inception on her... as a matter of fact they frankomen said that... Cobb appeared to be fine until his wife committed suicide.
Yep, good point about Fischer not recognizing his arch business rival.
and Fischer never having heard of the dream stealing/idea planting - seemed a rather sharp guy otherwise.
I'm beginning to think this movie was more about madness than science. If so, I good.
The movie was about GUILT and coming to terms with grief... he didn't care to look at the end if the top was still spinning... he was able to finally see his children's face
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yuh see.... i watch de movie twice and still only now understanding certain tings based on what FF explaining dey..
Maybe im just a simpleton, but imo the movie was ah heights, and not because yuh leave the theatre not understanding everything that went down means that its a shortcoming of the movie.. The very fact that it leaving yuh thinking about it well after it done is a plus in my books..
Alot of people connect with the movie simply because it makes them think about their own dream experiences, the nature and structure of them, the sensations experienced and the yearn to find a meaning or source behind them.
For example, personally I once dreamt of being chased and getting stabbed. The experience for me was so real because after being cornered, i could actually feel the sensation of the knife going into my abdomen.. Now that's confusing for me because I've never been stabbed before, and since dreams supposed to be derived from the subconscious, I have no clue where my subconscious could have derived that sensation from. But it was real for me.
The movie makes you think about things like that after the fact..
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yuh see.... i watch de movie twice and still only now understanding certain tings based on what FF explaining dey..
Maybe im just a simpleton, but imo the movie was ah heights, and not because yuh leave the theatre not understanding everything that went down means that its a shortcoming of the movie.. The very fact that it leaving yuh thinking about it well after it done is a plus in my books..
Alot of people connect with the movie simply because it makes them think about their own dream experiences, the nature and structure of them, the sensations experienced and the yearn to find a meaning or source behind them.
For example, personally I once dreamt of being chased and getting stabbed. The experience for me was so real because after being cornered, i could actually feel the sensation of the knife going into my abdomen.. Now that's confusing for me because I've never been stabbed before, and since dreams supposed to be derived from the subconscious, I have no clue where my subconscious could have derived that sensation from. But it was real for me.
The movie makes you think about things like that after the fact..
Well said, FF on point, movie have plenty heights, brilliant script, the most poignant piece for me is how guilty actions on anyone's part can bother your subconcious for a seeming eternity until you essentially forgive yourself, this to me was one of the dominant themes of the movie
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yuh see.... i watch de movie twice and still only now understanding certain tings based on what FF explaining dey..
Maybe im just a simpleton, but imo the movie was ah heights, and not because yuh leave the theatre not understanding everything that went down means that its a shortcoming of the movie.. The very fact that it leaving yuh thinking about it well after it done is a plus in my books..
Alot of people connect with the movie simply because it makes them think about their own dream experiences, the nature and structure of them, the sensations experienced and the yearn to find a meaning or source behind them.
For example, personally I once dreamt of being chased and getting stabbed. The experience for me was so real because after being cornered, i could actually feel the sensation of the knife going into my abdomen.. Now that's confusing for me because I've never been stabbed before, and since dreams supposed to be derived from the subconscious, I have no clue where my subconscious could have derived that sensation from. But it was real for me.
The movie makes you think about things like that after the fact..
Man just the other day (well some good months before Inception) I dreamed that I was in the gas chamber and I died.... I was literally struggling against it... and the moment I died and shifted into nothingness was the scariest, blackest, loneliest feeling i ever feel before or since... it funny because i remember it as nothingness yet i had feelings about it... when i finally awoke... i jumped out of bed like i was in a battle... my heart racing... I never feel so glad to be alive...
Dreams is crazy!!!!!
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I didn't ask who trained Saito. He simply seemed like one sharp hombre (don't know the Japanese word for dude..lol).
I asked who trained Fischer.
If Fischer was aware of Inception, he didn't show it, in fact other than his assassins, he appeared relatively eased to succumb.
It all comes back to Cobb. His dreams, his guilt, his wife, his inception, his apparent madness, his control issues.
He was the original architect and his control issues permeated the whole fandangled movie.
Incept his own wife without telling her...
Don't tell Arthur this..
Don't allow Ariadne to do that...
Don't tell anyone about the limbo/insanity phase until everybody is committed and inside the dreamscape.
...and all these people traipse behind him into what amounts to complete submission of their mind?
Arthur especially, is aware of Cobb's misfires and goes in?
I disconnect at these points and refuse to say it was can be overlooked and be logical...it contradicts.
Even if Saito was the behind the scenes kingpin, it would behoove Fischer to know this...and also Browning...neither men were fools. The stakes are too huge not to have all their bases covered.
btw...what sort of professor was Cobb's father?
who allowed Cobb to leave the US after being accused of murder?
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Marcos boy, I won't pay to see this again. When I can TVO it, I will watch it again. It was a fairy decent action movie.
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Bakes, the lottery ticket pelt spade...steupse
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I didn't ask who trained Saito. He simply seemed like one sharp hombre (don't know the Japanese word for dude..lol).
I asked who trained Fischer.
If Fischer was aware of Inception, he didn't show it, in fact other than his assassins, he appeared relatively eased to succumb.
Queen... I know what you ask... but I asking you that if you could accept Saito as having a protected subconscious... why you can't accept Fischer? Who trained Fischer... could be de damn same ppl who train Saito... it not far-fetched at all that Fischer was trained
It all comes back to Cobb. His dreams, his guilt, his wife, his inception, his apparent madness, his control issues.
He was the original architect and his control issues permeated the whole fandangled movie.
Incept his own wife without telling her...
Don't tell Arthur this..
Don't allow Ariadne to do that...
Don't tell anyone about the limbo/insanity phase until everybody is committed and inside the dreamscape.
...and all these people traipse behind him into what amounts to complete submission of their mind?
Arthur especially, is aware of Cobb's midfires and goes in?
I disconnect at these points and refuse to say it was can be overlooked and be logical...it contradicts.
He was a leader and their friend... People follow charismatic people all the time to their doom. ALL THE TIME... This is an not illogical part of the plot Queen... it may not be rational on their parts, but human beings are far from rational at best. If this is what throw you off, I can't help you at all.
Even if Saito was the behind the scenes kingpin, it would behoove Fischer to know this...and also Browning...neither men were fools. The stakes are too huge not to have all their bases covered.
Well Browning never interact with Saito in all actuality in the movie... and while we never see Fischer acknowledge Saito... it is not actually ruled out... that is why I said that I could overlook that. The interactions in the dream stages don't really matter.
btw...what sort of professor was Cobb's father?
who allowed Cobb to leave the US after being accused of murder?
Cobb's father was a university professor and presumeably an early researcher into sharing dreams and lucid dreaming.
It looks like Cobb make a run for it while on bail... because the lawyer with the tickets was telling him time bust out when he was trying to see his kids.
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Marcos boy, I won't pay to see this again. When I can TVO it, I will watch it again. It was a fairy decent action movie.
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Bakes boy the lottery ticket pelt spade...steupse
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Lemme give it a shot
I didn't ask who trained Saito. He simply seemed like one sharp hombre (don't know the Japanese word for dude..lol).
I asked who trained Fischer.
If Fischer was aware of Inception, he didn't show it, in fact other than his assassins, he appeared relatively eased to succumb.
Why does it matter who trained him, it seemed to me like there is a confusion between inception and dream invasion. Dream invasion was apparently a known and possible tactic which is what Cobb and Arthur were trained experts in doing for hire.. Inception, on the other hand was thought not to be possible for the reasons Arthur was explaining before Cobb interrupted and said that it could in fact be done (knowing this bc he did it to his wife).
Fischer was trained by the military people who were probably part of his defence team. Part of that training is to train his subconscious to respond to attack in the dream because he is unable to consciously do so himself
It all comes back to Cobb. His dreams, his guilt, his wife, his inception, his apparent madness, his control issues.
He was the original architect and his control issues permeated the whole fandangled movie.
Incept his own wife without telling her...
Don't tell Arthur this..
Don't allow Ariadne to do that...
Don't tell anyone about the limbo/insanity phase until everybody is committed and inside the dreamscape.
...and all these people traipse behind him into what amounts to complete submission of their mind?
Arthur especially, is aware of Cobb's misfires and goes in?
Yeah Cobb chain up everybody for his own selfish gain. It really was supposed to be a simple in and out job but the military people defending Fischer mess up the whole play because without that they wouldn't have been pressed for time and no one wouldve been the wiser.
I don't think anyone felt their life was in danger going in but it end up being that and they had no choice but to follow him down because if they military men killed them on level one, they was all too drugged up in reality to come out of the dream as normal and wouldve end up brain dead.
I disconnect at these points and refuse to say it was can be overlooked and be logical...it contradicts.
Even if Saito was the behind the scenes kingpin, it would behoove Fischer to know this...and also Browning...neither men were fools. The stakes are too huge not to have all their bases covered.
btw...what sort of professor was Cobb's father?
who allowed Cobb to leave the US after being accused of murder?
I find you being real harsh now.. how yuh go hinge the whole logical basis of the movie on feeling that Fischer should recognize Saito? At the end of the day lets not forget the man is dreaming just like any other night, he not consciousy looking out for an attack.
Also, I would think if Cobb was part of a covert military operation and a valued expert in dream interception then it very plausible that there would be government people (the guy in the suit with the plane ticket) that would give him an escape route.. After all he still working for them no?
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good answers dey dinho... and good distinction between dream invasion and inception
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Bakes doh worry. Roger Ebert says that this movie is immune to spoilers.
Dred, this makin me feel to watch it AGAIN
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BWDA I feel like ah hadda drop some acid to follow dis thread
At any point di Leonardo dream Julie Andews was topless?
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BWDA I feel like ah hadda drop some acid to follow dis thread
At any point di Leonardo dream Julie Andews was topless?
No but...
(http://www.picselate.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/inception.jpg)
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Roger Ebert says that this movie is immune to spoilers.
Agreed...but why?...LOL
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just wasted 10 minutes replying to FF then my screen vanished and I lost it all. Cah be bothered to retype...
hmmm...who messing with my dreamscape?
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Dutts, acid might help. In fact, I think if I smoke a tree and see it again, it will make sense.
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BWDA I feel like ah hadda drop some acid to follow dis thread
At any point di Leonardo dream Julie Andews was topless?
nah man, that was my dream, not DiCaprio
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/__mokxbTmuJM/SbqF9Tz-52I/AAAAAAAADsE/6gUhUg2otm0/s1600/sob25.jpg) (http://www.filmsite.org/escenes/sob.jpg)
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BWDA I feel like ah hadda drop some acid to follow dis thread
At any point di Leonardo dream Julie Andews was topless?
No but...
(http://www.picselate.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/inception.jpg)
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aye Queen to switch up a little... what about the music... I enjoy that just as much as the plot or the action and acting in movies...
Hans Zimmer did an amazing score! Check the third video especially.
http://www.youtube.com/v/lOJqicM6x84
http://www.youtube.com/v/8TSK12Mf7ZM
http://www.youtube.com/v/UVkQ0C4qDvM
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Niiiiiiiiiiiicce :D
(http://www.picselate.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/inception.jpg)
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yes I recognize Edith Piaf's voice in the movie - Her other tune, La Vie en Rose is a sweet piece I learned to play on my tenor a hundred years ago to grasp nuance and attitude.
Don't you find the first piece sounded a lot like a Jean Michel Jarre work?
So with the last piece. Was that simply delivery of the same piece? Timing...?
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I thought "absolute madness" had nothing to do with the subconscious, but had to do with not being able to distinguish between dreams and reality (hence the use of the totem to test it.)
I thought the problem with the subconscious was that it could not be controlled, hence using Fischer to help them break into his own subconscious.
Mal locked hers away because she did not want to go back to reality. DiCaprio planted idea that she kill herself (on train tracks) to make her snap back to reality, but when she woke up it continued until she jumped.
DiCaprio went back for Saito because if Saito did not make the call then immigration woulda hold him when he land.
At least that was my take on things.........
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Ah try tuh watch it last night, but me eh able. Ah make it about 3/4 way thru, den ah give up.
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Ah try tuh watch it last night, but me eh able. Ah make it about 3/4 way thru, den ah give up.
yeah, is like doin an exam, have to focus, not exactly like watchin "knocked up"
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Ah try tuh watch it last night, but me eh able. Ah make it about 3/4 way thru, den ah give up.
why?
boring?
too much teef head?
porn on the next channel?
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Ah try tuh watch it last night, but me eh able. Ah make it about 3/4 way thru, den ah give up.
why?
boring?
too much teef head?
porn on the next channel?
Porn always on, so dat wasn't de issue.
Too many moving pieces. Reality, dreams, dreams within dreams, layers of dreams, limbo, dreaming together, past, present, future.
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I watch that flick about three times to get a good feel as to what was going on. I think ah get it though. ;D
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Doh think too much bout the show....
Just watch it easy easy and it will fall into place.
In fact Shutter Island and Beautiful Mind was a bigger thief head than this show.
Matrix...now that was a heights.
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Ah try tuh watch it last night, but me eh able. Ah make it about 3/4 way thru, den ah give up.
why?
boring?
too much teef head?
porn on the next channel?
Porn always on, so dat wasn't de issue.
Too many moving pieces. Reality, dreams, dreams within dreams, layers of dreams, limbo, dreaming together, past, present, future.
...sums it up right dey fuh me.
Beautiful Mind was boss.....touches bring it up nand de shit have me noddin' meh head.