weary ah missin someting...why yuh puttin this on anand back
Is not de englishman to blame since he pretend he forget
weary ah missin someting...why yuh puttin this on anand back
Is not de englishman to blame since he pretend he forget
What's the process for selection?
weary ah missin someting...why yuh puttin this on anand back
Is not de englishman to blame since he pretend he forget
Sir Gavin made an honest mistake—AG
Leah Sorias
Published: 5 Nov 2010
Leah Sorias
Cabinet has approved the nomination of a new judge to solely chair the Commission of Enquiry into Clico and the Hindu In a news conference at his St Vincent Street, Port-of-Spain, office, Ramlogan said Lightman’s mistake was an honest one, as he was in his 70s and simply could not remember an incident that occurred 20 years ago. He said he did not think Lightman set out to mislead him. “This is not something that could be foreseen or predicted or far less avoided,” he said. “It’s like interviewing someone for a job, and when you are interviewing someone for a job, it would depend on the experience and recollection.” Lightman’s involvement in a Clico matter was first raised in the Senate by PNM senator Pennelope Beckles-Robinson two weeks ago.
I really can't stand this guy !!! He seems like a SNAKE !!!!!!A few things just off the top of my head
Can any of the locals here tell us how is he doing so far as AG ?
I really can't stand this guy !!! He seems like a SNAKE !!!!!!A few things just off the top of my head
Can any of the locals here tell us how is he doing so far as AG ?
1. Week 1 on the job was heard reporting on Laptops for Children
2. Articulated an agenda that was virtually identical to a list of grievances of Devant Maharaj and the GOPIO/ITEC.
3. Publicly attacked and threatened former Commissioner of Police James Philbert about securing the Guanapo Heights site. Philbert's contract was incidentally rescinded with a month left.
4. Hired a team of mainly his friends and other associates to investigate the financial operations of a number of state companies at a cost of $11 million(i think)
5. When criticised of this move by Rowley he proceed to ask facetiously if he should hire his enemies instead . Furthermore he mislead Parliament that PNM Senators Hinds and Al Wari received millions of dollars in state briefs.
6. Delayed the extradition order of Steve and Ish allowing them enough time to appeal and stay the extradition.
7. Played badcop in a goodcop/badcop double team with the PM against Gibbs to come up with a plan for crime.
8. Investigations into Sunways and Hart ongoing. I nearly forget that he boof police for letting Hart go when there hasn't been a charge laid.
9. Investigations into UTT ongoing.
10. Sundry other investigations ongoing. No charges laid by police.
He tell the Police 1st Division officers, that "Crime Watch" solving more crime than them :devil:
He tell the Police 1st Division officers, that "Crime Watch" solving more crime than them :devil:
He tell the Police 1st Division officers, that "Crime Watch" solving more crime than them :devil:
He is a consummate asshole. I tried to figure out what he was hoping to achieve with that statement and came to that conclusion.
I really can't stand this guy !!! He seems like a SNAKE !!!!!!A few things just off the top of my head
Can any of the locals here tell us how is he doing so far as AG ?
1. Week 1 on the job was heard reporting on Laptops for Children
2. Articulated an agenda that was virtually identical to a list of grievances of Devant Maharaj and the GOPIO/ITEC.
3. Publicly attacked and threatened former Commissioner of Police James Philbert about securing the Guanapo Heights site. Philbert's contract was incidentally rescinded with a month left.
4. Hired a team of mainly his friends and other associates to investigate the financial operations of a number of state companies at a cost of $11 million(i think)
5. When criticised of this move by Rowley he proceed to ask facetiously if he should hire his enemies instead . Furthermore he mislead Parliament that PNM Senators Hinds and Al Wari received millions of dollars in state briefs.
6. Delayed the extradition order of Steve and Ish allowing them enough time to appeal and stay the extradition.
7. Played badcop in a goodcop/badcop double team with the PM against Gibbs to come up with a plan for crime.
8. Investigations into Sunways and Hart ongoing. I nearly forget that he boof police for letting Hart go when there hasn't been a charge laid.
9. Investigations into UTT ongoing.
10. Sundry other investigations ongoing. No charges laid by police.
I really can't stand this guy !!! He seems like a SNAKE !!!!!!A few things just off the top of my head
Can any of the locals here tell us how is he doing so far as AG ?
1. Week 1 on the job was heard reporting on Laptops for Children
2. Articulated an agenda that was virtually identical to a list of grievances of Devant Maharaj and the GOPIO/ITEC.
3. Publicly attacked and threatened former Commissioner of Police James Philbert about securing the Guanapo Heights site. Philbert's contract was incidentally rescinded with a month left.
4. Hired a team of mainly his friends and other associates to investigate the financial operations of a number of state companies at a cost of $11 million(i think)
5. When criticised of this move by Rowley he proceed to ask facetiously if he should hire his enemies instead . Furthermore he mislead Parliament that PNM Senators Hinds and Al Wari received millions of dollars in state briefs.
6. Delayed the extradition order of Steve and Ish allowing them enough time to appeal and stay the extradition.
7. Played badcop in a goodcop/badcop double team with the PM against Gibbs to come up with a plan for crime.
8. Investigations into Sunways and Hart ongoing. I nearly forget that he boof police for letting Hart go when there hasn't been a charge laid.
9. Investigations into UTT ongoing.
10. Sundry other investigations ongoing. No charges laid by police.
Yuh forget the man he hire to hold the one man Commission of Enquiry into CLICO. When told the man had an active role in CLICO's battle with Republic back in de 80's, he laid into Penny/Rowley (cyar remember who raised the issue initially on the PNM side). When Penny eventually bring the proof he boil down like a good oil down.
He does behave like a country bookie come to town....I feel asshole is too nice a description.
Ahhhh, there it is. His impudence belies his former profession and he is decidedly crass when statesmanship is required. And I don't think age issue. He's just a hotheaded asshole not suited to be AG at all.I really can't stand this guy !!! He seems like a SNAKE !!!!!!A few things just off the top of my head
Can any of the locals here tell us how is he doing so far as AG ?
1. Week 1 on the job was heard reporting on Laptops for Children
2. Articulated an agenda that was virtually identical to a list of grievances of Devant Maharaj and the GOPIO/ITEC.
3. Publicly attacked and threatened former Commissioner of Police James Philbert about securing the Guanapo Heights site. Philbert's contract was incidentally rescinded with a month left.
4. Hired a team of mainly his friends and other associates to investigate the financial operations of a number of state companies at a cost of $11 million(i think)
5. When criticised of this move by Rowley he proceed to ask facetiously if he should hire his enemies instead . Furthermore he mislead Parliament that PNM Senators Hinds and Al Wari received millions of dollars in state briefs.
6. Delayed the extradition order of Steve and Ish allowing them enough time to appeal and stay the extradition.
7. Played badcop in a goodcop/badcop double team with the PM against Gibbs to come up with a plan for crime.
8. Investigations into Sunways and Hart ongoing. I nearly forget that he boof police for letting Hart go when there hasn't been a charge laid.
9. Investigations into UTT ongoing.
10. Sundry other investigations ongoing. No charges laid by police.
Yuh forget the man he hire to hold the one man Commission of Enquiry into CLICO. When told the man had an active role in CLICO's battle with Republic back in de 80's, he laid into Penny/Rowley (cyar remember who raised the issue initially on the PNM side). When Penny eventually bring the proof he boil down like a good oil down.
He does behave like a country bookie come to town....I feel asshole is too nice a description.
I am more curious to see what the DPP will do in the Dhansook case and the alleged perversion of justice concerning Franklin Khan and Eric Williams.
Also curious to hear Mr. Ramlogan's viewpoint on that issue as well.
I know his brother personally, he lives in NY and he is strong in the Hare Krishna fate, he even sells HK books on the streets. His attitude is very poor though. But you can tell they came from a brain family.
I think ?? Ramlogan had a brother who killed himself, but I'm not 100% sure.. they served time in the T&T military.
Do they know where the piano really is?
so with everything else that is goin on in dis place, things that are more pressing and requires his attention, this is what the AG using his time to do? ::)These ppl really making it easy for ppl like jahgol and CO tuh fan the flames yes. why is it that they really not too concerned wid the issues @ hand? is only one setta petty squabbles and nit pickingoin they on. ::)
so with everything else that is goin on in dis place, things that are more pressing and requires his attention, this is what the AG using his time to do? ::)
so with everything else that is goin on in dis place, things that are more pressing and requires his attention, this is what the AG using his time to do? ::)
To be honest I does be on dey case but I doh have a problem with this... malfeasance in public office to me is a serious charge. I actually agreee with them that spending $1 million US ($600 million TT) on pianos is extremely wasteful.
What I DO have a problem with though is the level of the discourse in Parliament. I know that 'fatigue', picong and throwing talk is part ah we culture, but I really don't find it necessary in parliament. To me it does nothing to move the issues forward and only threatens to undermine decorum... and this applies to both sides. I don't think Anand tweaking Manning about him being multi-talented, and if it behind de chapel and this talk necessary. I don't find Jack comment about Manning cyah even play in the rain necessary, nor Manning's response that Anand wouldn't know a piano if he saw one talk necessary.
That kinda pettiness to me eh belong in Parliament... but what do I know? Another thing... all this talk about corruption under Ken Julien watch... then why yuh do just charge him?? You wasting down a man's reputation when yuh have power to charge him if you really believe he engaged in corruption involving public funds?
http://www.youtube.com/v/f8eMue_t3Woso with everything else that is goin on in dis place, things that are more pressing and requires his attention, this is what the AG using his time to do? ::)These ppl really making it easy for ppl like jahgol and CO tuh fan the flames yes. why is it that they really not too concerned wid the issues @ hand? is only one setta petty squabbles and nit pickingoin they on. ::)
BTW, ah saw patos on CTNT news and he handled the ting quite gracefully. he said ramlogan don't even know what a grand piano looked like, so he had no idea what he was lookin for :devil: BC he's never seen a bosendorf.
When I think about my government a prase comes to mind: quis custodiet ipsos custodes
More like 6 mil TT...and dats how dey always talk...is only kicks men in dey...gov't, opposition, everybody on kicks....cuz every one of dem in there business fix
I agree with the much leanered legal minds on the forum that the approach to persuing the issues of wastage and fraud of the previous gov't is defeating the purpose. If you have evidence of wrongdoing by every member of the last gov't, just bring it on, and stop making a pappyshow of the parliamentary process. If the politicians throwing picong at one another, what do they expect from the public? No respect. Then they deserve no respect.
All this talk about a missing grand piano that may well not be missing afterall, what about the Prado that was crashed by ANil Roberts? And who gave him permission to be driving that?
Word is that he had no permission, that makes it???????
I wonder if someone had been seriously injured, would they have hushed it up. The coalition say they coming straight with the people, no mamaguy. The only thing they have going for them is that they new at governing. And they making lots of faux pas. I can understand that. I think the bill to prevent or severely limit corruption, white collar crime is a good first step. But then the parliament end up in rum-shop talk. How can I really think they seriously.
Ah might be owing you and some other members an apology bro ? :thinking: these ppl look like they trying ah ting and don't necessarily have ah clue.http://www.youtube.com/v/f8eMue_t3Woso with everything else that is goin on in dis place, things that are more pressing and requires his attention, this is what the AG using his time to do? ::)These ppl really making it easy for ppl like jahgol and CO tuh fan the flames yes. why is it that they really not too concerned wid the issues @ hand? is only one setta petty squabbles and nit pickingoin they on. ::)
BTW, ah saw patos on CTNT news and he handled the ting quite gracefully. he said ramlogan don't even know what a grand piano looked like, so he had no idea what he was lookin for :devil: BC he's never seen a bosendorf.
This is such a non issue it eh funny. Ramlogan try to make Manning look bad, not that he needed help and Manning swing back for him same speed. Manning coulda leave out the midnight robber talk and just focus on addressing the point.
A million dollars for piano really not necessary. But Ramlogan trying to make it look like Manning move with the piano is too ridiculous for comprehension. I rate this guy as a shitsnake anyway.
dats right manning.......dat dotish coolie dunno what a piano looks like.
ASK KAMLA
Manning says he does not have the grand piano; throws question back at AG:
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/ASK_KAMLA-113541389.html
dats right manning.......dat dotish coolie dunno what a piano looks like.
dats right manning.......dat dotish coolie dunno what a piano looks like.
dats right manning.......dat dotish coolie dunno what a piano looks like.
so wait,,, when anand was trowin ah setta sarcasm for patrick over the piano you didnt bodder read beetween de lines....he get back de same level of biting sarcasm and yuh readin hard into it?
as much as I enjoy the back and forth verbal jousting..these folks gettin on like school gyirls
The crime & unemployment still at staggering levels and dem arguing bout who teef piano and who crash prado
JC don't bother with that apology thing just enjoy the ride.
dats right manning.......dat dotish coolie dunno what a piano looks like.
so wait,,, when anand was trowin ah setta sarcasm for patrick over the piano you didnt bodder read beetween de lines....he get back de same level of biting sarcasm and yuh readin hard into it?
as much as I enjoy the back and forth verbal jousting..these folks gettin on like school gyirls
The crime & unemployment still at staggering levels and dem arguing bout who teef piano and who crash prado
"I have asked Prime Minister Persad-Bissessar to search those premises to locate this grand piano, because all we know about is a lil Bob Marley music and a lil kaiso and calypso and chutney, that's all we listen to. But this grand piano, I want to ask the member for San Fernando East, Sir, if you know where that piano is in the Diplomatic Centre and your former residence, can you please assist us?" Ramlogan had said.
i relly aint know what to say nuh...i relly aint know what tuh say..:rotfl:
and lol @ "deliberately tucked away"....like manning was tuh pass back for it? lol
i relly aint know what to say nuh...i relly aint know what tuh say..:rotfl:
and lol @ "deliberately tucked away"....like manning was tuh pass back for it? lol
manning comming back. All the mess the govt doing and rowley cant capitalize, look how manning score 10 points easy easy.
I wonder what panday saying?
i relly aint know what to say nuh...i relly aint know what tuh say..:rotfl:
and lol @ "deliberately tucked away"....like manning was tuh pass back for it? lol
manning comming back. All the mess the govt doing and rowley cant capitalize, look how manning score 10 points easy easy.
I wonder what panday saying?
Patos coming back? Look, leave him right dey. We had enough of him. And who say Rowley go be heading PNM in the next election. If Patos come, I hope PNM lose!!
Dis just amazing. Seriously. So if a Piano missing.....and it have some big object in a corner covered down....nobody would go and check to see what it was?
Next ting:
UTT has a performing arts faculty (part of the whole rationale behind NAPA etc.) If pianos are needed for the diplomatic centre, for NAPA, for UTT...then...i could see the rationale behind UTT buying all in bulk, allowing for a bulk discount, and distributing them to all that would need it. De concern should be the payment, ie if UTT has to shoulder that burden alone of if they would be reimbursed.
Deliberately tucked away. Steups.
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Bulk buyin a concept these jokers not familiar wit u c d cost of dem laptop.
Now this—the missing grand piano that was never really missing —confirms that Mr Ramlogan is content to make bacchanal when he cannot make policy, or sense.
A new bosendorfer grand can cost anywhere from about $60,000 to $180,000 depending on the model. A new bosendorfer upright can cost about $25,000 to $45,000.
* 7 months ago
If they want to criticize whether it was a smart use of public funds then that is one matter... but to be talking this setta "criminal and civil" charges talk, that is just a convenient cover for their freshly-exposed bare asses.
I agree with you here. But I have/had serious issues with Patos and company judgement when it come to acquiring things for TT. We are not them mid-east countries who have oil up they ying-yang. I must be ignorant as to the type of musical instruments, but I think Yamaha would have done just fine, and they cheaper. I want to give the gov't the benefit of doubt. But Anand, Anil take over from jack in the rhetoric. You just have to shake your head.
How many degrees of separation between Anil's statements about Manning tiefin' the piano and Manning's statements about Kamla's home?
How many degrees of separation between Anil's statements about Manning tiefin' the piano and Manning's statements about Kamla's home?
Not even in the same vein.
Manning just taking the allegation to its logical conclusion... he left it at the PM's residence when he moved out... Kamla moved in right after... if the piano is no longer at the residence then Kamla is best situated to say where it is... check she house.
How many degrees of separation between Anil's statements about Manning tiefin' the piano and Manning's statements about Kamla's home?
Not even in the same vein.
Manning just taking the allegation to its logical conclusion... he left it at the PM's residence when he moved out... Kamla moved in right after... if the piano is no longer at the residence then Kamla is best situated to say where it is... check she house.
Sorry for not making my self clearer. I was spcifically talking about Manning's statements about the cost of Kamla's home and the funding for its construtcion.
He has been referred to the House Privilege Com. for his statements and I as making a comparison to Anand's assertion that Manning stole the piano, and had some colusion with ken Juliaen and UTT to defraud the people of T&T by overspending on wasteful pianos
Bakes this is what I was referring to when I spoke about the similarities of talk by Manning and Anand, both violated house privileges.
Thank you Mr Impulse, I could not have said it better.lol now come to post this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkwlB8jeEmA
canal politics at bestdais YOUR party.
if i was d professor dat lecture to these fellows and see how dem using dey education...i would seriously have to think twice about changing my curriculum
Ramlogan is this government's village washerwoman.All the baccanal and attitude except nothing ever gets cleaned.
I couldn’t even imagine Ramesh Lawrence-Maharaj behaving like this.Ramlogan is this government's village washerwoman.All the baccanal and attitude except nothing ever gets cleaned.
I was really surprised when de next one say that Ramlogan was going to apologize and that he new to politics and needed mentoring. I say whey boy, like Anand boil down fast. This about face just shows the level of dysfunction in that party... everybody is they own boss. If the PM have to force you to apologize then what is the point? I hope they refer he ass tuh de Privileges Committee... hopefully it will hasten his departure.
Could you imagine the late Selwyn Richardson carrying on like this?
I couldn’t even imagine Ramesh Lawrence-Maharaj behaving like this.Ramlogan is this government's village washerwoman.All the baccanal and attitude except nothing ever gets cleaned.
I was really surprised when de next one say that Ramlogan was going to apologize and that he new to politics and needed mentoring. I say whey boy, like Anand boil down fast. This about face just shows the level of dysfunction in that party... everybody is they own boss. If the PM have to force you to apologize then what is the point? I hope they refer he ass tuh de Privileges Committee... hopefully it will hasten his departure.
Could you imagine the late Selwyn Richardson carrying on like this?
I couldn’t even imagine Ramesh Lawrence-Maharaj behaving like this.Ramlogan is this government's village washerwoman.All the baccanal and attitude except nothing ever gets cleaned.
I was really surprised when de next one say that Ramlogan was going to apologize and that he new to politics and needed mentoring. I say whey boy, like Anand boil down fast. This about face just shows the level of dysfunction in that party... everybody is they own boss. If the PM have to force you to apologize then what is the point? I hope they refer he ass tuh de Privileges Committee... hopefully it will hasten his departure.
Could you imagine the late Selwyn Richardson carrying on like this?
Jah, yuh take the words right off mih keyboard!!!......imagine this thing eh?? Ramesh looking like ah rose next to this country bookie.....steups!! ::)
I couldn’t even imagine Ramesh Lawrence-Maharaj behaving like this.Ramlogan is this government's village washerwoman.All the baccanal and attitude except nothing ever gets cleaned.
I was really surprised when de next one say that Ramlogan was going to apologize and that he new to politics and needed mentoring. I say whey boy, like Anand boil down fast. This about face just shows the level of dysfunction in that party... everybody is they own boss. If the PM have to force you to apologize then what is the point? I hope they refer he ass tuh de Privileges Committee... hopefully it will hasten his departure.
Could you imagine the late Selwyn Richardson carrying on like this?
Jah, yuh take the words right off mih keyboard!!!......imagine this thing eh?? Ramesh looking like ah rose next to this country bookie.....steups!! ::)
Browns ah iz ah country bookie yuh know :'(
Did any of these politicians declare their assets after or before swearing in as ministers in parliment ? i thought that was something that they had to do at some point in time .
LIke Manning was on point! Like dat dumb @#$%^# eh know what ah piano look like? Looks like dis is de Peoples Partnershit.
PIANO FOUND!
...at the Diplomatic Centre in St Ann's
By Anna Ramdass anna.ramdass@trinidadexpress.com
Story Created: Jan 14, 2011 at 11:48 PM ECT
(Story Updated: Jan 14, 2011 at 11:48 PM ECT )
The grand piano has been found —in the very place it was alleged to have been missing from.
National Security adviser to the Prime Minister, Gary Griffith, told the Express by phone yesterday that the piano was found after checks of the Diplomatic Centre in St Ann's.
"It (the piano) seemed to be deliberately tucked and hidden away. It was covered with layers of cloth and appears to have never been used," Griffith told the Express.
LIke Manning was on point! Like dat dumb @#$%^# eh know what ah piano look like? Looks like dis is de Peoples Partnershit.
PIANO FOUND!
...at the Diplomatic Centre in St Ann's
By Anna Ramdass anna.ramdass@trinidadexpress.com
Story Created: Jan 14, 2011 at 11:48 PM ECT
(Story Updated: Jan 14, 2011 at 11:48 PM ECT )
The grand piano has been found —in the very place it was alleged to have been missing from.
National Security adviser to the Prime Minister, Gary Griffith, told the Express by phone yesterday that the piano was found after checks of the Diplomatic Centre in St Ann's.
"It (the piano) seemed to be deliberately tucked and hidden away. It was covered with layers of cloth and appears to have never been used," Griffith told the Express.
allyuh sure they find the piano?
Look what dey find on a sandbar in Miami ....
(http://media.thestar.topscms.com/images/5a/b0/a7c97aae4fde94be4fde3d8adfef.jpeg)
Mysterious grand piano shows up on a Miami sandbar
Published On Tue Jan 25 2011
A U.S. Coast Guard boat passes near a grand piano on a sandbar in Biscayne Bay, Tuesday, Jan. 25, 2011 in Miami.
Wilfredo Lee/AP
Associated Press
MIAMI — A grand piano recently showed up on a sandbar in Miami’s Biscayne Bay, about 180 meters from condominiums on the shore.
The piano, which weighs nearly 300 kilograms, was placed at the highest spot along the sandbar so it doesn’t get underwater during high tide.
While officials aren’t sure how it got there, they know it won’t be going anywhere unless it becomes a hazard to wildlife or boaters.
Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission spokesman Jorge Pino says the agency is not responsible for moving such items, The Miami Herald newspaper reports. And, he adds, unless it becomes a navigational hazard, the U.S. Coast Guard won’t get involved.
For now, the piano has become a fancy roost for seagulls.
Up to now no charge.
Up to now no charge.
Not totally true. Thus far there has been Grand- Charging.
The Hart fiasco and the Toruba Stadium are scadalous relics of the last government. The public craves justice and this government purported same. Without going through the catalog of errors,gaffes and outright acts of deception coming from this AG I want to note that this man was only a couple of weeks ago talking about a piano when these two gaping issues are being either neglected or being used as tune they can sing at will to deflect any given scandal.
Up to now no charge.
Not totally true. Thus far there has been Grand- Charging.
Hinds rejoined that the Attorney General should perhaps confine himself to matchmaking.
"I understand he is in a loveless party and if he feels he could get love on this side ...," Ramlogan said.
"I want to assure you that I am not even half interested in your kind of love!" Hinds shot back.
Hinds rejoined that the Attorney General should perhaps confine himself to matchmaking.
"I understand he is in a loveless party and if he feels he could get love on this side ...," Ramlogan said.
"I want to assure you that I am not even half interested in your kind of love!" Hinds shot back.
Well yes,,them fellahs doin a full bore comedy act oui
That facebook ting go be in somebody kaiso dis year
So Jah you and Brownsugar feel country bookie came to town see the lights and get brite oh what ?Ramadhar would have done a better job. Cut your loses and say you do the reshuffle for strategic reasons. Ramlogan is a liability in that post.
Sammy...yuh have Anand on facebook? Hit him a message..yuh might get through with de gyal.
Sammy...yuh have Anand on facebook? Hit him a message..yuh might get through with de gyal.
;D
Sammy...yuh have Anand on facebook? Hit him a message..yuh might get through with de gyal.
;D
cyah do that...brown sugar go kill she self ;)
Sammy...yuh have Anand on facebook? Hit him a message..yuh might get through with de gyal.
;D
cyah do that...brown sugar go kill she self ;)
Nah. Ah didn't dead when Birchy betray mih so nobody else could get mih to harm mih self, right Palos..... ;D
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good good...i rather come a Tobago wedding instead of a Tobago funeral ;D :beermug:
Sammy...yuh have Anand on facebook? Hit him a message..yuh might get through with de gyal.
;D
:rotfl:
cyah do that...brown sugar go kill she self ;)
Nah. Ah didn't dead when Birchy betray mih so nobody else could get mih to harm mih self, right Palos..... ;D
could we sink any lower.Integrity is not a word used in Trinidad anymore
Oh boy.
Will Frankie Khan be able to regain his Colgate sponsorship?
look allyuh favorite PP celeb on power 102 now.
look allyuh favorite PP celeb on power 102 now.
Wuh he doin? playin ah piano?
Anand was recently asking his Facebook "friends'" if they were aware of any articles that showed a link ot the death penalty and decreased crime.
Some AG that is!
Anand was recently asking his Facebook "friends'" if they were aware of any articles that showed a link ot the death penalty and decreased crime.
Some AG that is!
Anand was recently asking his Facebook "friends'" if they were aware of any articles that showed a link ot the death penalty and decreased crime.
Some AG that is!
LOL!!
My word.
Heard about this. Ent a draft was already done..based on consultation with the general Tobago population...drafted by Russel Martineu (I think?) and submitted to the AG, PM and others to be brought to parliament? Which isnt what this Green Paper is?
Heard about this. Ent a draft was already done..based on consultation with the general Tobago population...drafted by Russel Martineu (I think?) and submitted to the AG, PM and others to be brought to parliament? Which isnt what this Green Paper is?
No Bourbon, this Green Paper is not the draft based on the consultations of Tobagonians and dais why I vex!!!! I will explain a bit later cuz ah in wuk now and eh want to lose mih job :)
I jam Wade Mark in the past but I'm happy that he allowed the statement to be read into hansard. Ramlogan has been egregious in his abuse of parliamentary privilege from day 1.
The UNC are the ones anal sorry persistent enough to do that. In a case like this individual resource constraints may be an issue.I jam Wade Mark in the past but I'm happy that he allowed the statement to be read into hansard. Ramlogan has been egregious in his abuse of parliamentary privilege from day 1.
Why somebody doh test this Parliamentary privilege thing court?? Ah mean.....let it go all de way tomassa courtThe Privy Council and see what happens........
Ah could here d sycophants now
"At least dey eh hire dey wife"...............steups ..............ah waitin to hear d two tngue uncle fuuckers on here
Ah could here d sycophants now
"At least dey eh hire dey wife"...............steups ..............ah waitin to hear d two tngue uncle fuuckers on here
Dey eh posting much these days......its too much, even for the sycophants.....
http://www.youtube.com/v/0d8FTPv955I
He say he was present for the meetings with Volney but he more versed in civil law so he left the talking and the law making to Volney. That's his excuse. This man is our Attorney General.So in he just admitted he's not qualified.
He say he was present for the meetings with Volney but he more versed in civil law so he left the talking and the law making to Volney. That's his excuse. This man is our Attorney General.
It good for all of we.
d sad ting is it have people who goh buy dat hook line and sinker
AG sues ‘Guardian’He's great at civil law.
Trinidad Express
Attorney General Anand Ramlogan has sent a pre-action protocol letter to the Trinidad Guardian over an article published on September 11, in which it was suggested that he “ignored legal advice” tendered by Queen’s Counsel James Lewis that the State should appeal the High Court’s decision not to allow the extradition of Ishwar Galbansingh and Steve Ferguson.
The AG’s pre-action letter, which was signed by attorney Kelvin Ramkissoon, stated that the reporter selectively chose parts of the Lewis advice, in the process “misrepresenting the true purport and intent thereof”.
The pre-action procotol letter stated that the words contained in the Guardian article were libellous, “maliciously published” and “calculated to damage and defame my client in his professional and political reputation”.
Ent he is the same one who changed the gov't lawyers in the case against Ish and Steve....
Ent he is the same one who changed the gov't lawyers in the case against Ish and Steve....
Dese unfortunate sequences of events making it seem like dis poor unlucky fella have some kinda sinister motives and hand in dis whole saga. De poor fella eh even no expert in criminal law..how he go know all dem so called loophole? Obviously steve and ish lawyers have a very good obeah man...or real good friends with max richards and ting to know this was signed and proclaimed on Aug 31...to reach in the court bright and early monday morning to start dis up.
Poor Anand.
Ent he is the same one who changed the gov't lawyers in the case against Ish and Steve....
Dese unfortunate sequences of events making it seem like dis poor unlucky fella have some kinda sinister motives and hand in dis whole saga. De poor fella eh even no expert in criminal law..how he go know all dem so called loophole? Obviously steve and ish lawyers have a very good obeah man...or real good friends with max richards and ting to know this was signed and proclaimed on Aug 31...to reach in the court bright and early monday morning to start dis up.
Poor Anand.
It really baffles me to think that he could say the thing was published on the same day it was supposed to have been proclaimed :banginghead:
But I not blaming the AG for letting the cat out the bag...Volney is the man who was drinking champagne with Ish in his hotel in Tobago the same time the Act was being proclaimed.
Ramlogan: I was not aware
Story Created: Oct 20, 2012 at 10:54 PM ECT
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Story Updated: Oct 20, 2012 at 10:54 PM ECT )
When he made his allegations of wrongdoing against the THA and Chief Secretary Orville London in the Senate, Attorney General Anand Ramlogan said he was "not aware" that legal advice was sought on the matter from Hamel-Smith and Company, and that the acting President had signed off on the matter.
"I was not aware, that's why (tomorrow) morning the Minister of Finance will write to Mr London, with the hope that he will make a full disclosure of all the relevant documents.
"He will request certain critical information pertaining to the transaction," the AG said yesterday.
He added that the delay in contacting London was due to the fact that Finance Minister Larry Howai was tied up in the Parliament up until last Friday.
"Thus far, Mr London has not really disclosed the documents of the transactions to the Ministry of Finance and we want to make sure we have all the relevant information before proceeding further with the matter," he explained.
"The THA Chief Secretary claimed that he has nothing to hide and in the public interest it is hoped that he will make full disclosure to the Minister of Finance," Ramlogan added.
Tomorrow as well, Ramlogan said the Finance Minister will write to Director of Public Prosecutions Roger Gaspard, acting Commissioner of Police Stephen Williams and the Integrity Commission on the matter.
"We want to make sure we have all the information," he said.
Last Wednesday in the Upper House, Ramlogan said he had already referred the matter to the three for action.
Ramlogan: I was not awareYou can't even believe announcements made by this guy.
Story Created: Oct 20, 2012 at 10:54 PM ECT
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Story Updated: Oct 20, 2012 at 10:54 PM ECT )
When he made his allegations of wrongdoing against the THA and Chief Secretary Orville London in the Senate, Attorney General Anand Ramlogan said he was "not aware" that legal advice was sought on the matter from Hamel-Smith and Company, and that the acting President had signed off on the matter.
"I was not aware, that's why (tomorrow) morning the Minister of Finance will write to Mr London, with the hope that he will make a full disclosure of all the relevant documents.
"He will request certain critical information pertaining to the transaction," the AG said yesterday.
He added that the delay in contacting London was due to the fact that Finance Minister Larry Howai was tied up in the Parliament up until last Friday.
"Thus far, Mr London has not really disclosed the documents of the transactions to the Ministry of Finance and we want to make sure we have all the relevant information before proceeding further with the matter," he explained.
"The THA Chief Secretary claimed that he has nothing to hide and in the public interest it is hoped that he will make full disclosure to the Minister of Finance," Ramlogan added.
Tomorrow as well, Ramlogan said the Finance Minister will write to Director of Public Prosecutions Roger Gaspard, acting Commissioner of Police Stephen Williams and the Integrity Commission on the matter.
"We want to make sure we have all the information," he said.
Last Wednesday in the Upper House, Ramlogan said he had already referred the matter to the three for action.
AG requests $1.3b to settle OPV arbitrationPatrick Manning was suspended from the house for saying that the PM was in bed with drug dealers. While the evidence he displayed was conjectural this is more compelling.
One irate Cabinet source questioned why the Government would want to pay $1.3 billion in arbitration fees rather than paying $1.5 billion for the three OPVs instead.
On October 17, during the budget debate, Ramlogan said he had been micromanaging the OPV issue and described the arbitration as “massive.” He had said the impact of the possible loss of this or other arbitration cases could leave T&T’s economy “reeling” and “catapult T&T downwards.”
Get rid of the ships and you have nothing in place to fit in. What happened to the smaller vessels they say that would be better?
I still trying to rational the reason for scuttling the deal.
I still trying to rational the reason for scuttling the deal.
The PNM put it in place. That was their only basis for getting rid of them.....
Kamla: Govt doesn't owe one cent for OPVs
Originally printed at http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Kamla__Govt_doesn_t_owe_one_cent_for_OPVs-104056313.html
By Akile Simon akile.simon@trinidadexpress.com
September 29, 2010
PRIME MINISTER Kamla Persad-Bissessar said yesterday the Government does not owe a cent to BAE Systems, the United Kingdom company contracted to build three multi-billion-dollar offshore patrol vessels (OPVs).
In fact, Persad-Bissessar says BAE owes this country $61 million in damages and will have to repay every cent the Government invested in the project over the past few years.
She was responding to a statement by head of external communication at BAE Kristina Crowe last week, which indicated cost overruns on the deal would mean Government would have to pay an additional £150 million, before tax, on the deal. This, she said, meant the Government was owning BAE £300 million before it terminated the contract.
Contacted yesterday for further comment, Crowe issued the following statement and referred us back to the regulatory announcement issued on Septem- ber 21 on the London Stock Exchange website.
"We have received written notice from the Government of the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago (GORTT) that it wishes to cancel the programme under which BAE Systems is providing three offshore patrol vessels and support to the Trinidad and Tobago Coast Guard. We are seeking to engage in commercial discussions with GORTT and hope to reach an equitable settlement," the statement read.
Speaking to the media at Piarco after returning from her trip to the United States yesterday, Persad-Bissessar said after careful analysis of the project and the substantial breaches in contract by BAE, a decision was taken to cancel the contract since the OPVs could not assist the country in its fight against crime.
The former People's National Movement (PNM) government signed a £150 million contract in April 2007 with VT Shipbuilding to build and commission the vessels. In October last year, BAE acquired full control of VT.
A few months ago, an interministerial committee, which included National Security Minister Brigadier John Sandy and Attorney General Anand Ramlogan, was set up to review the purchase of the OPVs.
Sandy subsequently said he hoped to convince the committee to purchase the vessels since he believed they would be needed in the current fight against crime.
Persad-Bissessar's statement yesterday was the first from any Government official since BAE announced Government had cancelled the purchase of the assets. She said before BAE's statement, her Government could not make public their decision to terminate the contract because of a particular non-disclosure clause in the contract that preven- ted Government from doing so. Government, she said, would meet with officials from BAE but remains firm in its decision to terminate the contract.
"There are stories that I have been reading that we owe BAE money and we breached the contract. No, that is not the case at all. I am advised that BAE is in breach of the contract because of two reasons.
"They (BAE) are in breach because of delay, which was the most substantial cause we have to termination of the contract, but they are also in breach because they have not been able to comply with the specs that had been contracted for," she said.
She said the Government was of the opinion such assets would not assist in making any dent in the crime situation and was also not in a position to fund the vessels.
Steps have already been taken to bring back home more than 60 sailors in the UK, who are training there to operate the OPVs, she said.
Such money, Persad-Bissessar said, could be utilised in ensuring law enforcement officers are adequately compensated for their services.
"There are several things that we had to consider. Do we need three OPVs? The country is not at war out in the seas; the country is at war on the ground, in our streets and in the towns within Trinidad and Tobago. The cost to maintain the vessels would have cost taxpayers in excess of $500 million annually. Our country cannot sustain that at this time," she said.
Persad-Bissessar said the Government had an option to waiver the breach in contracts by BAE, but it would not be in the best interest of the citizenry to do so since "there were better things" the money could be put to.
"We feel that we could better spend that money right here on the ground to fight crime, to pay police officers more money, pay the Defence Force more money, to pay the prisons officers more. To get equipment and, of course, food and hospitals beds," the PM said.
"There is the view that these huge OPVs will not assist in the fight against crime because first, they are slow and are visible from way off. You could see them from far off, so these narco (narcotic) traffickers who may be coming and illegal gun-runners (who) may be coming, what may be more useful is the smaller, faster cutters."
She, however, made it clear the Government will not abandon the needs of its naval and air support units. Government, she said, still intends to proceed with the purchase of four Agusta Westland AW139 twin-turbine helicopters at a cost of $2.3 billion for the T&T Air Guard, to be used for search-and-rescue, surface surveillance, law enforcement, drug interdiction and disaster relief operations.
I done yes
I done yes
Y it now starting 2 get interesting.
I done yes
Y it now starting 2 get interesting.
He cah handle the ride :D
The ride nice. I'm loving it and as the days go by I see more and more people buckling up. Just now I'll be the driver for all these new comers.
The ride nice. I'm loving it and as the days go by I see more and more people buckling up. Just now I'll be the driver for all these new comers.
The ride eh nice nah. It like a roller coaster than only hurtling downwards and we screaming the whole time.....there is no up.....*sigh* and yes, I voted for them.....*double sigh* :banginghead: :banginghead: :frustrated: :frustrated:
legal minds...
in such a case, how does the fact that the boats are now sold affect anything?
The cop nor the unc never had a person capable to lead the country and the supporting casts in both cases were just as incompetent. The country and people in general were mislead and continue to suffer from this pretend govt. I don't see a way ahead with these idiots.
Hope the pnm get their act together FAST, as they will need to rescue the country very soon. I just don't see a way ahead with Dr Rowley either. Nice to see my girl Penelope makign some waves again.
Actually.....this is a brilliant tactical decision.
Budget pass...deficit....7 billion or so.
Ministry of Works going back to borrow 2.7 Billion.
Financial Year eh done yet....in fact we in the first month...to pay this cost for the OPV....is 1.4 Billion...(which we not even sure from whence it cometh) Thats almost 4 Billion.
Essentially....we in November and 11 Billion in the red already with underwhelming revenue generators.
De only way this could make sense is the fact that by not having the OPV's......several billion dollars in drugs could come in and go out the country and thus cushion the effect of 7 .....if not 11 billion dollars deficit.
Brilliant strategy.
;D
legal minds...
in such a case, how does the fact that the boats are now sold affect anything?
The cop nor the unc never had a person capable to lead the country and the supporting casts in both cases were just as incompetent. The country and people in general were mislead and continue to suffer from this pretend govt. I don't see a way ahead with these idiots.
Hope the pnm get their act together FAST, as they will need to rescue the country very soon. I just don't see a way ahead with Dr Rowley either. Nice to see my girl Penelope makign some waves again.
legal minds...
in such a case, how does the fact that the boats are now sold affect anything?
The cop nor the unc never had a person capable to lead the country and the supporting casts in both cases were just as incompetent. The country and people in general were mislead and continue to suffer from this pretend govt. I don't see a way ahead with these idiots.
Hope the pnm get their act together FAST, as they will need to rescue the country very soon. I just don't see a way ahead with Dr Rowley either. Nice to see my girl Penelope makign some waves again.
EH NO FAN AH ROWLEY OR D PNM. But an uncounsiousness Rowley and any PNM worse than these misfits. So people need 2 stop focusing on Rowley shortcomings and mobilise 2 get these bandits out of power ASAP. If not by d time rowley reach PM it eh have nutten 2 govern. d country will be DEAD.
I would want to speculate that the request for the 1.3 billion is to settle with BAE with a gag on the overall settlement details.ahhh..... there it is.
That will close the arbitration after which, the public statement from those in office will simply to say that the matter has been settled and the details remain private.
If this story was never published the public would have never known the exact amount being requested. I can't even comprehend 1.3 billion dollars, chances are that figure has to be converted GBP (around 110 million) for the settlement which is another significant drain on foreign exchange availability. This government has a method of covering up, poorly in most cases.
If nothing else thanks to those dissenting voices in the cabinet who may be even the reason was story was leaked in the first place.
I would want to speculate that the request for the 1.3 billion is to settle with BAE with a gag on the overall settlement details.ahhh..... there it is.
That will close the arbitration after which, the public statement from those in office will simply to say that the matter has been settled and the details remain private.
If this story was never published the public would have never known the exact amount being requested. I can't even comprehend 1.3 billion dollars, chances are that figure has to be converted GBP (around 110 million) for the settlement which is another significant drain on foreign exchange availability. This government has a method of covering up, poorly in most cases.
If nothing else thanks to those dissenting voices in the cabinet who may be even the reason was story was leaked in the first place.
That's exactly it.
legal minds...
in such a case, how does the fact that the boats are now sold affect anything?
The cop nor the unc never had a person capable to lead the country and the supporting casts in both cases were just as incompetent. The country and people in general were mislead and continue to suffer from this pretend govt. I don't see a way ahead with these idiots.
Hope the pnm get their act together FAST, as they will need to rescue the country very soon. I just don't see a way ahead with Dr Rowley either. Nice to see my girl Penelope makign some waves again.
EH NO FAN AH ROWLEY OR D PNM. But an uncounsiousness Rowley and any PNM worse than these misfits. So people need 2 stop focusing on Rowley shortcomings and mobilise 2 get these bandits out of power ASAP. If not by d time rowley reach PM it eh have nutten 2 govern. d country will be DEAD.
Rowley isn't perfect but at least his record is intact. He paid the price for doing the right thing too. If the fact that he's a better Parliamentarian and has a better record as a Minister than those clowns and especially KPB isn't enough, I think the fact that he actually has demonstrated integrity is more than convincing for me.legal minds...
in such a case, how does the fact that the boats are now sold affect anything?
The cop nor the unc never had a person capable to lead the country and the supporting casts in both cases were just as incompetent. The country and people in general were mislead and continue to suffer from this pretend govt. I don't see a way ahead with these idiots.
Hope the pnm get their act together FAST, as they will need to rescue the country very soon. I just don't see a way ahead with Dr Rowley either. Nice to see my girl Penelope makign some waves again.
EH NO FAN AH ROWLEY OR D PNM. But an uncounsiousness Rowley and any PNM worse than these misfits. So people need 2 stop focusing on Rowley shortcomings and mobilise 2 get these bandits out of power ASAP. If not by d time rowley reach PM it eh have nutten 2 govern. d country will be DEAD.
the anti Mr Manning got us to this point. We should not be voting to just "remove" a party, but hold each party wanting power accountable. I refuse to subscribe to the lesser of two evils as well.
We will continue to recycle the same shit.
legal minds...
in such a case, how does the fact that the boats are now sold affect anything?
The cop nor the unc never had a person capable to lead the country and the supporting casts in both cases were just as incompetent. The country and people in general were mislead and continue to suffer from this pretend govt. I don't see a way ahead with these idiots.
Hope the pnm get their act together FAST, as they will need to rescue the country very soon. I just don't see a way ahead with Dr Rowley either. Nice to see my girl Penelope makign some waves again.
EH NO FAN AH ROWLEY OR D PNM. But an uncounsiousness Rowley and any PNM worse than these misfits. So people need 2 stop focusing on Rowley shortcomings and mobilise 2 get these bandits out of power ASAP. If not by d time rowley reach PM it eh have nutten 2 govern. d country will be DEAD.
the anti Mr Manning got us to this point. We should not be voting to just "remove" a party, but hold each party wanting power accountable. I refuse to subscribe to the lesser of two evils as well.
We will continue to recycle the same shit.
I would want to speculate that the request for the 1.3 billion is to settle with BAE with a gag on the overall settlement details.
That will close the arbitration after which, the public statement from those in office will simply to say that the matter has been settled and the details remain private.
If this story was never published the public would have never known the exact amount being requested. I can't even comprehend 1.3 billion dollars, chances are that figure has to be converted GBP (around 110 million) for the settlement which is another significant drain on foreign exchange availability. This government has a method of covering up, poorly in most cases.
If nothing else thanks to those dissenting voices in the cabinet who may be even the reason was story was leaked in the first place.
The ride nice. I'm loving it and as the days go by I see more and more people buckling up. Just now I'll be the driver for all these new comers.
The ride eh nice nah. It like a roller coaster than only hurtling downwards and we screaming the whole time.....there is no up.....*sigh* and yes, I voted for them.....*double sigh* :banginghead: :banginghead: :frustrated: :frustrated:
legal minds...
in such a case, how does the fact that the boats are now sold affect anything?
The cop nor the unc never had a person capable to lead the country and the supporting casts in both cases were just as incompetent. The country and people in general were mislead and continue to suffer from this pretend govt. I don't see a way ahead with these idiots.
Hope the pnm get their act together FAST, as they will need to rescue the country very soon. I just don't see a way ahead with Dr Rowley either. Nice to see my girl Penelope makign some waves again.
EH NO FAN AH ROWLEY OR D PNM. But an uncounsiousness Rowley and any PNM worse than these misfits. So people need 2 stop focusing on Rowley shortcomings and mobilise 2 get these bandits out of power ASAP. If not by d time rowley reach PM it eh have nutten 2 govern. d country will be DEAD.
the anti Mr Manning got us to this point. We should not be voting to just "remove" a party, but hold each party wanting power accountable. I refuse to subscribe to the lesser of two evils as well.
We will continue to recycle the same shit.
D anti Manning got all yuh 2 this point. D same ting dey did Robbie cuss d man backward and forward like he did all yuh someting personally. Nobody looked at what d PNM govt did they harp on Manning and how he arrogant. His arrogance what that have to do with him running the country. There was a plan 4 d country but we so silly we get chain up wit d propoganda and give d country 2 these misfits.
legal minds...
in such a case, how does the fact that the boats are now sold affect anything?
The cop nor the unc never had a person capable to lead the country and the supporting casts in both cases were just as incompetent. The country and people in general were mislead and continue to suffer from this pretend govt. I don't see a way ahead with these idiots.
Hope the pnm get their act together FAST, as they will need to rescue the country very soon. I just don't see a way ahead with Dr Rowley either. Nice to see my girl Penelope makign some waves again.
EH NO FAN AH ROWLEY OR D PNM. But an uncounsiousness Rowley and any PNM worse than these misfits. So people need 2 stop focusing on Rowley shortcomings and mobilise 2 get these bandits out of power ASAP. If not by d time rowley reach PM it eh have nutten 2 govern. d country will be DEAD.
the anti Mr Manning got us to this point. We should not be voting to just "remove" a party, but hold each party wanting power accountable. I refuse to subscribe to the lesser of two evils as well.
We will continue to recycle the same shit.
D anti Manning got all yuh 2 this point. D same ting dey did Robbie cuss d man backward and forward like he did all yuh someting personally. Nobody looked at what d PNM govt did they harp on Manning and how he arrogant. His arrogance what that have to do with him running the country. There was a plan 4 d country but we so silly we get chain up wit d propoganda and give d country 2 these misfits.
aren't you living in Trinidad? Last time I checked, you have to deal with the same BS. No matter if you vote or didn't vote, the reality is it is no one person's problem. Yet another area we as a people need to check ourselves. This 'you put them in power, so deal with it" mentality must change. If you didn't ink your finger for the ruling party does not give you an automatic excuse. The problems will not go away like that.
:-X :waiting:ok
BAE Systems confirm Trinidad and Tobago settlement
14 NOV 2012
British defence firm BAE Systems has confirmed a settlement with the Government of the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago (GORTT), after a two year dispute over their offshore patrol vessels contract.
Trinidad and Tobago’s Government entered into the contract with the security giant in April 2007, and subsequently pulled out of the deal in 2010.
The South Caribbean country expressed its wishes to cancel the contract with BAE, who confirmed a deal on Wednesday to sell off three vessels to the Brazilian Navy.
Brazil received the first of the ships in June after a contract was agreed in December last year.
The original agreement would have seen BAE Systems’ company VT Shipbuilding build three vessels for the Republic, however as a result of delays and overspending, the firm suffered a £100m charge once GORTT cancelled the deal.
There was no disclosure of remuneration in Wednesday morning’s announcement, however BAE Systems said the settlement with the GORTT was “consistent with provisions held.”
http://bdaily.co.uk/industrials/14-11-2012/bae-systems-confirm-trinidad-and-tobago-settlement/ (http://bdaily.co.uk/industrials/14-11-2012/bae-systems-confirm-trinidad-and-tobago-settlement/)
Just heard on the news that BAE is expected to pay the Gov't 1.3 billion as a settlement for the OPVs.
If this is the case then I am happy that we are about to receive the money, I hope it is re-invested in our national security specific to border control on the seas in some form.
Still has me thinking about that cabinet meeting a few weeks ago where approval was sought for the same 1.3 billion as if we were required to pay. I guess we will find out someday the truth.
http://www.globalarbitrationreview.com/news/article/30947/trinidad-tobago-payout-bae/ (http://www.globalarbitrationreview.com/news/article/30947/trinidad-tobago-payout-bae/)
British Aerospace Engineering has today agreed to pay US$131 million to the government of Trinidad and Tobago to settle ICC arbitration proceedings over a shipbuilding contract.
We getting some money, not TT $1.382 billion, but some money.....
The Ocean Patrol Vessels were originally ordered from Vosper Thorneycroft in 2007, but the company was running late with construction at the time its shipbuilding arm merged with BAE Systems in 2008.
http://www.globalarbitrationreview.com/news/article/30947/trinidad-tobago-payout-bae/ (http://www.globalarbitrationreview.com/news/article/30947/trinidad-tobago-payout-bae/)
British Aerospace Engineering has today agreed to pay US$131 million to the government of Trinidad and Tobago to settle ICC arbitration proceedings over a shipbuilding contract.
We getting some money, not TT $1.382 billion, but some money.....
Works out to be $838.4 million TT... well color me stunned. Must have been more in the mortar than de pestle.
I'm shocked and amazed. If this is actually the truth then the Government has to be congratulated for this outcome.
Clyde shipyard bosses win £130m compensation battle
By Gordon Thomson (Evening Times)
CLYDE shipyard bosses have won a £130million compensation battle with high ranking government officials in Trinidad and Tobago.
The deal was thrashed out after the Caribbean republic reneged on an agreement to buy three offshore patrol vessels to be used in a crackdown on gun runners and drug smugglers.
The row was triggered when a newly-elected government decided to scrap the contract in October, 2010.
The contract had been worth £150m and had been placed with BAE Systems in April, 2007, by political opponents who had previously run the affairs of both holiday islands.
They had claimed there had been building delays to all three vessels and that the combat system had malfunctioned during sea trials on two of the ships.
The Trinidad and Tobago government refused to accept the patrol ships and instead BAE launched a compensation battle at an international court of arbitration.
It held a private hearing over several days in London in May and last month Cabinet members in the Republic were known to have approved a payment to BAE of £130m to end the row.
Shipyard bosses refused to disclose the sum involved but last night issued a brief statement to confirm both sides had reached an agreement.
It means BAE officials have almost doubled their money.
While the dispute rumbled on the company revealed in the run-up to last Christmas that it had sold the three vessels to the Brazilian Navy for £133m.
Company chiefs refused to comment further but industry sources last night confirmed that BAE was to be given £130m in compensation by the Trinidad and Tobago government whose senior officials could not be contacted.
Jah G, dahis yuh best looking parliamentarian in that pic dey? Seeking confirmation.Na not Ms. Roopnarine .
Jah G, dahis yuh best looking parliamentarian in that pic dey? Seeking confirmation.
niceJah G, dahis yuh best looking parliamentarian in that pic dey? Seeking confirmation.
:)
http://www.facebook.com/mpstacyroopnarine
FRIDAY 16 NOVEMBER 2012 TEXT SIZE BAE ships contract
The Evening Times yesterday reported that shipbuilder BAE Systems had won a £130million compensation battle with the Trinidad and Tobago Government after the Caribbean Republic had cancelled an order for three offshore patrol vessels.
We published the article after a spokeswoman for the defence contractor claimed it was to receive the cash payment.
However, BAE has in fact agreed to compensate the republic, which had cancelled the £150m order, after it claimed the delivery dates for all three ships were delayed and the combat system on two of them had failed during sea trials.
BAE Systems today declined to comment further on the result of the negotiations other than to confirm a "settlement" had been reached with the Trinidad and Tobago Government.
We are happy to clarify this here.
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/bae-ships-contract-107384n.19429991
I still see this as a loss for us. What about all the people who got trained.
He is the most dishonest , most indecent and most unprofessional AG we've had. He's got to go, they've all got to go.
Me ent holding no brief for the AG, but I would really like the three aggrieved lawyers to come out and say how much they were actually paid.
Me ent holding no brief for the AG, but I would really like the three aggrieved lawyers to come out and say how much they were actually paid.
Does it matter though? If Ramlogan say they get pay $3million and they say no, only to find out that they got paid $1.5 million - $2million even, then what?
Me ent holding no brief for the AG, but I would really like the three aggrieved lawyers to come out and say how much they were actually paid.
Does it matter though? If Ramlogan say they get pay $3million and they say no, only to find out that they got paid $1.5 million - $2million even, then what?
Doesn't matter...is just to bring the evidence to show that the AG talking shit.
Me ent holding no brief for the AG, but I would really like the three aggrieved lawyers to come out and say how much they were actually paid.
10 pages and counting for an AG.
Me ent holding no brief for the AG, but I would really like the three aggrieved lawyers to come out and say how much they were actually paid.
10 pages and counting for an AG.
Ent :).
Who the best man 4 d job.
anand is ah c**t, but dat was equally low and classless ............dias who we want for PM trinis cyar be serious
the goat name Anancy, not Anand
Anancy d goat
he spoke the night before on people on the other side defiling animals..
poor naive innocent me now realise y dey call him 'ramgoat' lol
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That pictures says a 1000 words! It just goes to show how ignorant Jack and his followers are about the fable of Anancy. In the fable, Anancy is a spider, real trickster, pain-in-arse, misfit. Not a goat.
That pictures says a 1000 words! It just goes to show how ignorant Jack and his followers are about the fable of Anancy. In the fable, Anancy is a spider, real trickster, pain-in-arse, misfit. Not a goat.
Ah think is pun they going for... "Anand see de Goat"
Senility is a hell of a thing. Thanks for making see the pun.
“Mr Dookeran told me, ‘I will form this party but I have no money’,” Harnarine said. Dookeran would later form the COP. But by the 2007 election things went sour when a HCU radio station became involved in spreading a report in relation to Ramlogan, alleging bestiality with a goat. When Harnarine fell out with the COP, all hell broke loose. “The vengeance came down on me,” he said.
Harnarine claimed Ramlogan, once a COP member but now a UNC Cabinet minister, turned against him. He said of about 22 levies against the HCU in the year of collapse in 2008, 90 percent were done by Ramlogan.
In one instance, Harnarine claimed that Ramlogan said via telephone: “Allyuh say I was with a goat!” To which, Harnarine responded: “You can’t blame me for the goat scandal.” Ramlogan, he said, then replied: “I am going to levy everything...computers, software, everything!” Ramlogan, Harnarine implied, also did shoddy work on transactions which caused the credit union $40 million in losses.
Richards told the Express that he was not being “disrespectful” but “the AG’s office is central to this matter and we reject any call for such a meeting”.
“Our consistent and clear call is for an independent investigation,” he said.
In a statement issued yesterday, the POA said it was disappointed by Persad-Bissessar’s decision to appoint Ramlogan to a team to address their concerns.
“It is our firm view that this decision will not result in any objective outcome since the Attorney General has reported that a previous investigation done by his office revealed nothing to substantiate the claims made by the former solicitor general.
“Additionally, it does not seem logical to us that it is prudent as it relates to transparency for the parties named by the Prime Minister to undertake such an investigation since to do so will appear that ‘himself is investigating himself’. That is, each office named by the Prime Minister has a critical role in the process of handling these matters and is being asked to review themselves,” the POA said.
QuoteRichards told the Express that he was not being “disrespectful” but “the AG’s office is central to this matter and we reject any call for such a meeting”.
“Our consistent and clear call is for an independent investigation,” he said.
In a statement issued yesterday, the POA said it was disappointed by Persad-Bissessar’s decision to appoint Ramlogan to a team to address their concerns.
“It is our firm view that this decision will not result in any objective outcome since the Attorney General has reported that a previous investigation done by his office revealed nothing to substantiate the claims made by the former solicitor general.
“Additionally, it does not seem logical to us that it is prudent as it relates to transparency for the parties named by the Prime Minister to undertake such an investigation since to do so will appear that ‘himself is investigating himself’. That is, each office named by the Prime Minister has a critical role in the process of handling these matters and is being asked to review themselves,” the POA said.
Sense.
AG’s disclosures ‘a charade’
By Leah Sorias
Story Created: Aug 24, 2014 at 10:02 PM ECT
Express
People’s National Movement (PNM) public relations officer Faris Al-Rawi described the Attorney General’s news conference yesterday as a distraction from the Constitution (Amendment) Bill, which is set for debate in the Senate tomorrow. Speaking at a news conference at his St Vincent Street, Port of Spain, office last evening, Al-Rawi urged the nation “not to be fooled by Government’s charade”.
“I am confident that the Attorney General did not get this information on Sunday. It is therefore curious that he should choose on a Sunday evening to make these disclosures when the Constitution (Amendment) Bill is on Tuesday,” he told reporters Al-Rawi said as far as the PNM is aware, the investigation into the emailgate matter is still ongoing. He urged the Police Service and the Integrity Commission, who are probing it, to respond to Ramlogan’s claims.
“This matter is something which is still pending.
We do not accept the Attorney General’s version, as an interested third party, as to what has happened in this matter.” He said the revelation by Ramlogan yesterday proved PNM Political Leader Dr Keith Rowley was right to call for an investigation. He went on to note that, according to the document Ramlogan gave to the media yesterday, Google checked the e-mails which were sent between September 1 and 30, 2012.
He said the public is unaware whether e-mails could have been sent prior or subsequent to this period. “So the Attorney General’s request for disclosure in the limited period of September 1 to 30 from Google and the affidavit and disclosure from Google, coming as they are, are tailor-made to what he asked them to look for,” Al-Rawi said.
Sargent filed a Notice of Pendency of Other Action or Proceeding at the United State District Court in the Northern District of California.
This was aimed at showing the application filed recently by the Integrity Commission during its investigation into the emailgate scandal was unnecessary. “(This was intended) to bring this matter to the attention of the judge because to avoid multiplicity of proceedings. If Google has already conducted a search then it is an exercise in futility for another search of a similar nature to be conducted,” Elder said
In his request to stop the Integrity Commission (IC) from getting any further information on #EmailGate The Attorney Generals California based lawyers have written the IC's legal team on behalf of Mr Ramlogan and the Prime Minister to say that both have now revoked their consent for their private email / communications to be searched by google any further since their inquiry (the one by the AG) is enough to bring the matter to a completes close.
His lawyers point out that there is no reason to investigate the same thing twice and urge the IC to cease and desist with their investigation through the issue of their stop order revoking initial consent. Their lawyers insist that their consent was given some time ago and is now no longer legally applicable given that the entire email affair has been resolved in their clients favour.[/b].
As I said before...smoke and mirrors.
Somebody holding on to a bare Jack.
Attorney General Anand Ramlogan has consented to e-mail service provider Google Inc releasing all information from his personal e-mail account to the Integrity Commission as the probe into the Emailgate scandal continues.
This was revealed yesterday in a letter bearing Thursday’s date from the US law firm representing Ramlogan, ComputerLaw Group LLP to Timothy Alger, one of the attorneys representing Google Inc.
The letter, sent to the Sunday Express by the AG, outlined several grounds on which it said Ramlogan had a right to challenge the “overboard request” by the Integrity Commission including the release of confidential information related to national security, confidential financial records and spousal communications.
However, it pointed out that Ramlogan did not wish to challenge the subpoena issued to Google from the Integrity Commission seeking the information “so that his good name can be cleared”.
The Integrity Commission had initially issued a subpoena to Google requesting information on e-mails exchanged between the address anand@tstt.net.tt and the following accounts, kamlapb1@gmail.com, captaingarygriffith@hotmail.com and surujrambachan@gmail.com for several dates in the month September 2012.
The alleged e-mails which Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley raised in Parliament in May last year alleging criminal conspiracy related to the Section 34 fiasco by Ramlogan, Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar, Minister of National Security Gary Griffith and Works Minister Surujrattan Rambachan.
The allegations included intention to harm a newspaper reporter.
Last month during a news conference at Cabildo Chambers, St Vincent Street, Port of Spain, Ramlogan said Google provided all the e-mails between himself and Persad-Bissessar during September 2012 when the Emailgate correspondence allegedly occurred. He said none of those e-mails sent by Google corresponded to the claims made by Rowley.
It was following this disclosure by Google that the Integrity Commission forwarded another subpoena to Google requesting additional information relating to the e-mail address anand@tstt.net.tt.
Thursday’s letter to Google by Ramlogan’s attorneys stated: “The subpoena targets an account Mr Ramlogan has used as his primary professional and private email for many years. As such, the subpoena potentially seek attorney-client privileged communication between Mr Ramlogan and his personal attorneys; privileged and financial records or spousal communications; privileged attorney work-product and information that is subject to state secrets or other privacy protections under the laws of Trinidad and Tobago.
Mr Ramlogan is entitled to challenge the subpoena on the grounds that it is overboard, unduly burdensome, harassing, not reasonable calculated to lead to the discovery of admissible evidence in violation of the Electronic Communication Privacy Act, the Stored Communications Act and his applicable privileges. However, Mr Ramlogan has instructed my firm that he does not wish to issue such a challenge to this overboard request from the Integrity Commission, so that his good name can be cleared. My firm has also been instructed to cooperate fully with the Integrity Commission in order to expedite compliance with the subpoena”.
Reached for comment in Florida yesterday, Ramlogan said he had overridden the legal advice of his US attorneys to object to the request.
“I have no desire to frustrate the process but wish to support it to achieve further vindication,” from the “conspiracy” perpetuated by Rowley via emailgate, the AG told the Sunday Express. “I welcome the investigation by the police and the Integrity Commission. There must be no lingering suspicion into these serious and dangerous allegations that have no merit or truth.”
Ramlogan said he was advised the request violated privacy laws but he had no objection to it because he believed the “truth will set you free”.
AG DUCKS
...mum on whether he asked PCA director to not file witness statement in Section 34 case in exchange for post
By By ANIKA GUMBS CCN Senior Multimedia Investigative Journalist
Story Created: Jan 24, 2015 at 9:31 PM ECT
Story Updated: Jan 24, 2015 at 9:48 PM ECT
Attorney General Anand Ramlogan has refused to confirm or deny an allegation that six days before attorney David West was appointed director of the Police Complaints Authority (PCA), he asked him to withdraw his witness statement in a defamation lawsuit relating to the failed extradition involving Section 34 applicants Steve Ferguson and Ishwar Galbaransingh in exchange for him being selected for the job.
The defamation lawsuit stemmed from statements Ramlogan claimed Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley made during a news conference on November 8, 2011, relating to Justice Ronnie Boodoosingh’s ruling in which he quashed the Attorney General’s decision to order the extradition of Ferguson and Galbaransingh arising out of the Piarco International Airport enquiry.
Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar has not responded to a text message sent to her by the Sunday Express on Friday for comment on the matter.
A high-ranking Government official, however, told the Sunday Express that upon receiving the text message, Persad-Bissessar expressed “alarm” over the matter and demanded answers.
West is the former head of the Central Authority Unit (CAU) that falls under the purview of the office of the Attorney General.
Ramlogan has not directly answered if it is true he telephoned West and requested his witness statement be withdrawn.
He has neither confirmed nor denied contacting West. And, in an e-mailed response to the Sunday Express at 7.49 p.m. on Friday, Ramlogan wrote: “As you have indicated, Mr West is a witness in a case I have brought against Dr Rowley which is pending before the High Court.
“It would not be proper for me to comment in the circumstances. Suffice it to say, the director of the PCA is selected and appointed by the President in his wisdom and not the Attorney General.”
The following question was sent to Ramlogan by the Sunday Express: Investigations revealed that on October 31, 2014, you telephoned attorney David West asking him to withdraw his witness statement in relation to extradition matter involving Steve Ferguson and Ish Galbaransingh in exchange for him being selected as director of the PCA. Is this true? If so, why was this done?
But while the questions remain unanswered, Sunday Express investigations have revealed that the AG telephoned West after midday on October 31, 2014.
This call to West was the second call that was registered on his cellphone from Ramlogan on that same day (October 31).
Ramlogan had telephoned West earlier on the morning of October 31, informing him he was tipped to head the PCA following the resignation of then director attorney Gillian Lucky, who accepted a judgeship in September last year.
However, at the time the second telephone call was made, the Office of the President had already contacted West on the same day (October 31) scheduling a meeting with him on November 3 regarding his appointment as PCA head.
Section 6 (1) of the PCA Act states the authority is to comprise a director and deputy director to be appointed by the President of T&T on the advice of both the Prime Minister and the Leader of the Opposition.
The Sunday Express learned both Persad-Bissessar and Rowley had agreed West was the best candidate to head the PCA, and as a result his name was submitted to the President for him to be selected for the post.
West seeks
legal advice
Immediately following the telephone conversation with Ramlogan, West sought legal advice about the request for the witness statement in the defamation matter to be withdrawn, the Sunday Express learned.
West, who was appointed director of the PCA on November 7, however, filed his witness statement at the Hall of Justice on December 19, 2014, a copy of which has been obtained by the Sunday Express.
West’s phone logs show the Attorney General attempted to contact him twice on December 16—three days before the witness statement was filed.
The calls went unanswered.
At the time, West was in Tobago and again sought legal advice.
Contacted on January 22 for comment on the information obtained by the Sunday Express, West said: “The matter is before the court and I cannot comment.”
The West
witness statement
In his witness statement, West details a June 2010 incident surrounding the arrest of Ferguson and Galbaransingh.
An excerpt from West’s witness statement reads: “The application for special leave was dismissed by the Privy Council on June 7, 2010, on the ground that they (Ferguson and Galbaransingh) did not have a right of appeal.
“As was customary, I advised Inspector Williams, who was the complainant in the extradition matter, to arrest Ferguson and Galbaransingh since their bail had now ceased.
“The Government had by then changed, with the claimant being appointed Attorney General in May 2010. I advised the Attorney General of my instruction to Inspector Williams. The Attorney General asked me how I could issue that instruction without telling him; he advised me that only he could make the request to the police.
“He then instructed me to rescind my instruction, which I did. As a result, Ferguson and Galbaransingh were not immediately arrested; this occurred on June 15, 2010, approximately one week after the said decision of the Privy Council.”
West also recalled an instance where attorney Kelvin Ramkissoon who was retained to lead him (West) for the Attorney General in the extradition matter did not object to bail being granted to Ferguson and Galbaransingh.
“To my surprise, at the hearing Ramkissoon again took the novel and different position of neutrality on the issue of bail; he informed the judge (Justice Malcolm Holdip) that we were there to assist the court with the principles of bail.
“I informed Ramkissoon that it was standard practice of the CAU to object to bail; consequent to the discussion which occurred between Ramkissoon and myself, I understood that he was acting on instructions from the Attorney General.
“The judge, however, refused bail. After the hearing the Attorney General had a conversation with me and instructed me not to get involved in the Piarco extradition matter again,” West wrote.
West, however, said notwithstanding the instruction, he continued to pay attention and follow the progress of the Piarco extradition matter.
His statement continued: “On or around October 8, 2010, some two and half months after the Privy Council refused special leave to appeal on the habeas corpus application, the Attorney General issued the warrant for the return of Ferguson and Galbaransingh to the United States.
“I also observed, from my reading the daily newspapers around that time that the Attorney General also issued a press release.
“I was surprised at the timing of the press release given that from my said experience with the CAU, the invariable practice has been to issue any such press release after the extradition was completed, not before, that is to say after the fugitive had been removed from the jurisdiction of T&T.”
On Ramlogan’s decision not to appeal Justice Boodoosingh’s ruling, West wrote:
“From my reading of the judge’s decision, I observed that at paragraph 135 of his judgment, the judge stated that the Attorney General had not advanced any evidence to suggest that there existed a settled practice of discontinuing local charges if the fugitive is extradited.
“I am able to say from my said experience of working in the CAU that the DPP has in the past agreed in extradition matters to the discontinuation of local charges so that the extradition could proceed and that evidence of that practice exists among the records of the unit.”
Why Ramlogan
didn’t appeal
Boodoosingh’s ruling
Ramlogan had come under fire from several quarters for his decision not to appeal the ruling.
But he gave reasons for his decision in his 55-page witness statement that has also been obtained by the Sunday Express.
An excerpt from his statement reads: “When the judgment was delivered, I sought and obtained legal advice as to whether I should appeal the decision of the court.
“Based on the advice which I received I did not do so.
“However, my decision in not doing so was not only predicated or guided by the advice which I received. I took into consideration a number of matters and spoke to the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) on the issue of having Ferguson and Galbaransingh tried in T&T and how soon this could be done.”
He further added: “In fact, I recall meeting with the DPP on two occasions relative to this matter. The first was when I received the representations made by Ferguson and Galbaransingh.
“I also met with him on a second occasion before I decided whether or not to surrender Galbaransingh and Ferguson. I wanted to determine the exact status of the proceedings in the preliminary enquiry.
“After discussions with the DPP, I formed the distinct impression that the outstanding preliminary enquiry was extremely near in completion.”
Ramlogan said in deciding whether to appeal the ruling, he considered his (Boodoosingh’s) judicial declaration the forum for the trial of Ferguson and Galbaransingh was T&T.
The Attorney General said judicial statements made by Court of Appeal Judges Wendell Kangaloo and Allan Mendonca were also given consideration.
“I therefore considered that when the indictment of these people is laid by the DPP, there can be a special court (such as the type done for trial of Dole Chadee and others at Chaguaramas in 1996) and that where possible, the Attorney General would assist in facilitating resources for this purpose,” Ramlogan said.
Rowley stands firm
Meanwhile, Rowley is standing firm by his position that Ramlogan had not sought or advanced the public interest in the conduct of the legal proceedings involving Ferguson and Galbaransingh.
In his witness statement, Rowley said his concerns were based on the Attorney General’s legal team representing the interest of the State and his handling and defence of the extradition order.
“I therefore considered it my duty and responsibility as Leader of the Opposition to inform the public what the claimant was required to do as Attorney General in dealing with the extradition of Ferguson and Galbaransingh, and that, as Attorney General he was ultimately accountable for the loss which the State suffered in those legal proceedings because of the way that he had handled the extradition matter,” an excerpt from his witness statement read.
...Working draft of witness statement existed since June
By Ria Taitt Political Editor
Story Created: Jan 29, 2015 at 12:40 AM ECT
Story Updated: Jan 29, 2015 at 12:40 AM ECT
A working draft of the witness statement of Police Complaints Authority (PCA) director David West existed since June, 2014, according to court documents filed in the Section 34 defamation case brought by Attorney General Anand Ramlogan against Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley.
The documents indicate that in June 2014, five months prior to his appointment as PCA Director, West had already agreed to be a witness and preparation of his statement was awaiting completion.
The documentation of the existence of a draft statement in the court papers represents the greatest vulnerability for the Attorney General, who has, in response to allegations of witness tampering,[u] stated that it was physically impossible to have asked West to withdraw a witness statement on October 31 as alleged, when the witness statement didn’t exist until December 20, 2014.[/u]
In claiming that his knowledge of the statement only came two months after West’s appointment, he has in effect denied knowledge of the existence of the draft witness statement in the court documents.
However, court documents indicate that Ramlogan’s attorneys must have known that a draft statement existed because the information was presented to the court on two occasions when the issue of an application for an extension to file witness statement in the matter was brought before the High Court and at the Court of Appeal in June and July, 2014 respectively.
The affidavit of Faris Al-Rawi, dated June 23, 2014 and filed in support of the application for the extension, indicate West had gone past the stage of uncertainty and was on board as a witness.
Al-Rawi’s affidavit stated: “On or around June 17, 2014, I was informed by Junior Counsel and verily believe that he required clarification of certain of the instructions from the Defendant (Rowley), myself and Mr David West in order to complete the drafts of the witness statements”.
The affidavit continued: “Both Mr West and I have been reviewing the working draft of our witness statements in the meantime in order to provide the requested clarification for the finalisation of same. However, given the imminent deadline for the filing of the witness statements and the voluminous documents which we both have to review in order to refresh our memories, we both require additional time to do so properly. These documents include the legal proceedings in the extradition matter involving Mr Galbaransingh and Mr Ferguson and their challenges to same and the Hansard reports in respect of the debates concerning the Administration of Justice bill”.
In the actual “Application for Extension”, also dated June 23, it is reiterated: “The other witnesses, Mr David West and Mr Faris Al-Rawi are in the process of reviewing and finalising their witness statements but require additional time to complete that process due to the volume of documents which they are required to peruse to refresh their memories and/or to provide clarification to Counsel”.
Therefore in June, 2014 when the PCA directorship was yet vacant, West who had already agreed to be a witness had a draft witness statement and was in active cooperation with Rowley’s attorney for its completion.
The PCA directorship became vacant on September 1 when Gillian Lucky resigned. And West was appointed on November 6, 2014.
The Sunday Express this week reported an allegation that on October 31, six days before that appointment as PCA director, the Attorney General telephoned David West and asked him to withdraw his witness statement in exchange for support of the appointment.
PRESS STATEMENT BY DAVID WEST ON ALLEGATIONS PUBLISHED IN THE MEDIA AGAINST THE HON. ATTORNEY GENERAL
On Wednesday the 21st of January 2015 I was contacted by Ms Anika Gumbs who indicated to me that a source had confided in her as follows:
(i) That prior to my appointment as the Director of the Police Complaints Authority (“the Authority”) on the 7th of November 2014 the Hon. Attorney General had asked me to withdraw a witness statement which I had made on behalf of Dr Keith Rowley in Claim No. CV2012-02948 Anand Ramlogan v. Dr Keith Rowley in return for the Government’s support for my appointment as Director of the Authority; and Ms Gumbs asked me to comment on the allegation. I advised Ms Gumbs that the matter was before the High Court and therefore could not comment.
The proceedings referred to above, which are in fact pending before the High Court, are a claim by the Hon. Attorney General against Dr Rowley for damages for defamation. The subject matter of the Hon. Attorney General’s claim relates to statements allegedly made by Dr Rowley in 2011 concerning the case for the extradition of Mr Ishwar Galbaransingh and Mr Steve Ferguson with which I was involved up to 2010 as the former head of the Central Authority of Trinidad and Tobago. I was appointed as Director of the Authority on the 7th of November 2014.
In the Sunday Express Newspaper for the 25th of January 2015 an article by Ms Anika Gumbs entitled “AG DUCKS” was published. The article contained the allegations against the Hon. Attorney General on which I was asked by Ms Gumbs to provide comment.
As I sought to make clear in a radio interview on the 26th of January 2015, it is matter of public record that my witness statement was first filed in the High Court on the 27th of June 2014 on an application by Dr Rowley for an extension of time for the statement to be filed. Upon the Court of Appeal ultimately granting Dr Rowley the extension on the 19th of December 2014 my witness statement was formally filed on the 19th of December 2014. I hope this makes it patent that I did not withdraw my witness statement or provide any other inducement whatsoever to earn anyone’s support for my appointment as Director of the Authority.
The allegations published in the Sunday Express article “AG DUCKS” suggest that the Hon. Attorney General committed serious criminal conduct in relation to his office and the administration of justice in Trinidad and Tobago. Due process demands that any such allegations should be investigated by the proper authorities and not in the media. I can disclose that I was taking steps in that regard prior to the publication of the article to ensure that I provided the appropriate authorities with the best available corroborative evidence for their investigation.
Although the Hon. Attorney General initially refused to make any comment on the matter, he is now on the public record denying categorically that he ever requested me to withdraw my witness statement in his claim against Dr Rowley. I am compelled to say publicly, without more, that my recollection of what transpired is diametrically opposed to the Hon. Attorney General’s denial that he ever approached me.
Accordingly, I have this morning made a report to the Ag. Commissioner of Police on the matter of the allegations against the Hon. Attorney General reported upon in Ms Gumbs’ article. I trust that the Ag Commissioner will take swift action on my report as he considers appropriate or as he may be advised and that due process will be ensured and the integrity of any investigation will be preserved.
David West
January 29, 2015
National Security Minister Gary Griffith has been identified as a critical witness in the criminal investigation of misbehaviour in public office against Attorney General Anand Ramlogan, according to reliable police sources.
The information came as Assistant Commissioner of Police in charge of Crime, Harold Phillip, began his probe into the latest criminal allegation linked to the infamous Section 34 fiasco.
Contacted for comment yesterday, Griffith would only repeat: “I have no comment to make on that matter.”
But sources said Griffith intended to co-operate with police investigators in the matter.
West yesterday submitted a detailed signed witness statement to the police in support of his complaint that the Attorney General tried to get him to withdraw a witness statement he filed in defence of a defamation lawsuit between Ramlogan and Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley relating to the Section 34 matter.
This triggered acting Police Commissioner Stephen Williams to appoint Phillip to assemble a team to probe the allegation. West has also been provided with a security detail.
Sources said investigators will pore over a chain of events which will take them to the Hall of Justice, Port-of-Spain, to examine court records and through the telephone records of West, Ramlogan and Griffith among other people.
Sources said West last year had confided to a politician about attempts being made to influence him in a court matter. The attempts were made on the same day the High Court gave a decision in the defamation lawsuit against Rowley, police sources said.
Ramlogan, in a detailed press release on Monday, denied West’s allegations that he attempted to influence him to withdraw the witness statement in exchange for his appointment as director of the Police Complaints Authority.
That position, under the Constitution, requires consent from both the Prime Minister and Opposition Leader before it is sealed by the Office of the President.
Yesterday, members of the media gathered outside the AG’s offices, St Vincent Street, Port-of-Spain, after rumours spread he was about to resign and make a statement at a press conference to that effect.
The AG was visited by Communication Minister Vasant Bharath and attorney Wayne Sturge at one point but no press conference materialised and the AG subsequently sent out a release in which he welcomed the probe on the matter.
Emailgate not going away
In a statement yesterday, AG Ramlogan called for a speedy enquiry and labelled the allegation part of a “political conspiracy.”
Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar, Ramlogan, Griffith and Works and Transport Minister Suruj Rambachan were identified in a separate criminal investigation relating to the Section 34 matter, now dubbed Emailgate.
It was Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley, who in May 2012 disclosed in Parliament a thread of e-mails purportedly being exchanged between the four politicians in the wake of the passage of legislation which was tailored to benefit political financiers Ishwar Galbaransingh and Steve Ferguson, who were facing a series of fraud charges relating to the $1.6 billion Piarco Airport Development Project.
That matter, subject to two investigations by the Integrity Commission and the Police Service, are yet to be completed. :-\
The probe by the Integrity Commission has progressed somewhat with e-mail service provider Google to comply with a subpoena in a California, USA court to hand over the e-mail records of Ramlogan and Persad-Bissessar.
The police matter is now lodged with the United States Department of Justice, the T&T Guardian learned.
The conspiracy detailed in the thread of e-mails disclosed a plot to spy on Director of Public Prosecutions Roger Gaspard, remove him from office by influencing Chief Justice Ivor Archie to appoint Gaspard to the High Court bench and harm investigative journalist Denyse Renne among other things.
The four politicians have previously denied any wrongdoing in the Emailgate matter and described the thread of e-mails as a fabrication.
Why? Why? Lord help us - what vile and pestilence foul and contemptible allegations continue to plague this land!!
Is it time Mr. President call for a foreign independent inquiry to preside over there inquiries? Or does the web of entanglement stretched to his powers that he too is stifled by those who offered unto Hume the office to preside as the ultimate voice over the happenings in this land?
National Security Minister Gary Griffith confided in a Cabinet colleague on Thursday he was approached by Attorney General Anand Ramlogan to use his friendship with Police Complaints Authority head David West in order to confirm "if West recalled the documents" in the Section 34 defamation lawsuit against Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley.
However, Griffith appears ready to provide statements in the ongoing police probe in the allegations against the AG to clear his name in the matter. The colleague yesterday said Griffith had informed them he was not aware of exactly what the “documents” in questions were but was just delivering a message on Ramlogan's behalf when he approached West in the matter. It was only later on that Griffith in fact realised it was the Section 34 lawsuit.
"It was only when he (Griffith) contacted West that he was told to leave that situation alone because the matter was before the court that he realised what was going on," Griffith;s colleague told the T&T Guardian yesterday.
Ramlogan had initially denied media reports he had contacted West before his appointment to the PCA, asking him to withdraw his witness statement in a defamation lawsuit relating to the failed extradition involving Section 34 applicants Steve Ferguson and Ishwar Galbaransingh in exchange for him being selected for the PCA job. But West on Thursday refuted Ramlogan's denial, saying his recollection of the events were "diametrically opposed" to the Attorney General's.
West was also reported to have delivered a statement to the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) but the T&T Guardian has learnt that while a detailed, signed report was delivered to the acting Commissioner of Police Stephen Williams, nothing has been delivered to the DPP yet.
The T&T Guardian was informed that the timeline of the alleged discussions between Ramlogan, Griffith and West was the crux of the growing discord between the three, as Griffith has informed his colleagues that he was only passing a message on to West.
Cabinet interference
When contacted yesterday, Griffith said he was not speaking on the matter. "I have to be careful because the matter is before the court but I can say that I am in no way implicated," Griffith said. The T&T Guardian also learned that Griffith was refusing to back down or be cowed by his Cabinet colleagues. When asked how that was affecting the climate inside Cabinet, the insider said: "Griffith not too worried about that.
"He does not intend to retract or back down or not make that witness statement because his Cabinet colleagues are trying to get him to back down." Griffith, the T&T Guardian learned, was "willing and ready to testify." Meanwhile, West himself yesterday said he hoped the matter would be investigated swiftly and said he stood ready to play his part in the investigation.
West, who was in Tobago for a meeting in Plymouth, also dispelled the AG’s claim that there was a political conspiracy against him saying: “I don’t agree with his words. I gave a statement to the commissioner of Police and that statement will be investigated by the Deputy Commissioner of Police.”
Cabinet interference
When contacted yesterday, Griffith said he was not speaking on the matter. "I have to be careful because the matter is before the court but I can say that I am in no way implicated," Griffith said. The T&T Guardian also learned that Griffith was refusing to back down or be cowed by his Cabinet colleagues. When asked how that was affecting the climate inside Cabinet, the insider said: "Griffith not too worried about that.
"He does not intend to retract or back down or not make that witness statement because his Cabinet colleagues are trying to get him to back down." Griffith, the T&T Guardian learned, was "willing and ready to testify." Meanwhile, West himself yesterday said he hoped the matter would be investigated swiftly and said he stood ready to play his part in the investigation.
West, who was in Tobago for a meeting in Plymouth, also dispelled the AG’s claim that there was a political conspiracy against him saying: “I don’t agree with his words. I gave a statement to the commissioner of Police and that statement will be investigated by the Deputy Commissioner of Police.”
Ramesh had a lot to say about this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Qzt5ApvCIE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Qzt5ApvCIE)
Griffith threatens to walk
By Renuka Singh (Guardian).
National Security Minister Gary Griffith is threatening to quit in the face of scathing press release issued by Communication Minister Vasant Bharath yesterday accused him of making false claims and compromising the integrity of Cabinet. Bharath was referring to reports that Griffith claimed he was pressured by his Cabinet colleagues not support a criminal complaint by Police Complaints Authority Director David West.
West claimed on Thursday that Attorney General Anand Ramlogan asked him (West) to withdraw his witness statement in a defamation case between Ramlogan and Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley in exchange for the PCA post.
Griffith is now threatening to expose private details of a meeting he and his wife, Congress of the People chairman, Nicole Dyer-Griffith were “summoned to” with Bharath and United National Congress’s campaign and advertising consultant Ernie Ross on Thursday in Woodbrook. In a subsequent interview though, Bharath denied calling Dyer-Griffith to any meeting and he also denied being present at any meeting with Griffith, Dyer-Griffith and Ross.
In a telephone interview yesterday, a livid Griffith, who was at the National Panorama semifinals, at the Queen’s Park Savannah, in Port-of-Spain, said that he was surprised that Bharath would be the first to say there was no Cabinet pressure on him to not support West. Griffith also criticised Bharath, claiming that the move to discredit him was a “red herring” designed to push him out of office.
“I do not need to sell my soul for a political seat and I am not begging anyone to stay, I could walk out of the Government tomorrow with my head high,” Griffith said. Griffith said Bharath never contacted him before issuing that statement and was shocked that Bharath would make such damning statements without verifying whether he did in fact say that Cabinet was putting pressure on him not to support West.
“It is surprising and ironic that the Minister of Communication is the first to jump out and make those statements. It is ironic that he of all people would be saying that but you know what they say about people who protest too much,” Griffith said.
He said it was “interesting” that Bharath would make such statements “as if he forgot” what played off between the four of us at a meeting at Ross’ office on Thursday, after news broke that Griffith was in fact maintaining that he would remain a witness against Ramlogan.
“The court of public opinion could judge me and I could keep my head high but I want Bharath to answer to the country what he was doing up in Ernie Ross office on Thursday and why they summoned me and Mrs Griffith to a meeting and what was said there,” Griffith said. “The Minister of Communication lacks the most basic common sense and manners if he cannot contact me before making these statements,” he said.
“Let them continue, I have no intention to lie to protect anyone and I am not going to be pressured to lie,” Griffith said. Despite Griffith’s threats, it was Bharath who drew first blood yesterday when he issued a media statement saying that Griffith’s word and actions had “compromised the integrity of Cabinet”.
Cabinet confusion
Former attorney general Ramesh Lawrence Maharaj said on Saturday that the entire Cabinet could be the subject of a police investigation if it proven that pressure had been applied to Griffith to withdraw his statement in support of West. The media release carried the headline “Bharath: Griffith’s claims ‘false and without basis’ and went on to say that Griffith’s claim that he was pressured by Cabinet was “COMPLETELY false and without any basis whatsoever!”
“Any suggestion that such a request was made of the National Security Minister at the meeting of Cabinet last Thursday is completely and utterly false. The Cabinet never, at any time, attempted to do as Mr Griffith has claimed,” the release noted.
“In dismissing the claims, Minister Bharath added: “More than Mr Griffith’s claims being completely untrue is the fact that he has, by his actions, compromised the integrity of Cabinet, and has done so without any clear or rational reason,” Bharath’s release said.
“The irony of these claims are also very stark, when one considers that it is this Government that has done the most to not only maintain, but improve the processes and mechanisms that promote accountability and transparency in Government,” Bharath said.
AG to resign ...Lalla tipped for job
Attorney General Anand Ramlogan is set to resign today and attorney Larry Lalla is expected to be sworn in. The Cabinet change will take place before Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar makes her much anticipated announcement at 4 pm.
According to the Constitution, Cabinet must be made up of the Prime Minister and the Attorney General, so once Ramlogan steps down, Lalla would have to be signed in immediately in order to uphold the Constitutional description of what constitutes a government.
The T&T Guardian understands that Ramlogan has not met with Persad-Bissessar but instead was allowed to send a statement to her following reports that Police Complaints Authority (PCA) Director David West made a complaint to police, accusing Ramlogan of attempting to “pervert the course of justice” by asking him to withdraw his witness statement in a civil matter filed by Ramlogan against Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley.
The T&T Guardian was informed that Ramlogan met with three lawyers on Thursday; his private lawyer Pamela Elder SC, Wayne Sturge and Gerald Ramdeen. While both Sturge and Ramdeen were spotted entering Ramlogan’s office on Thursday, Elder refused to comment on “anything concerning the AG”, when contacted yesterday. Key members of the Cabinet met at Persad-Bissessar’s home in Phillpine, South Trinidad up until 4 am Sunday morning, sources said, but Ramlogan was a no show.
The T&T Guardian understands that he spent the past three days in his gated-community Palmiste home with his family, discussing his next step. The T&T Guardian was told that while Ramlogan appeared crest-fallen, he stands by his denial that he ever sought to bargain the PCA job as an inducement for West to withdraw his witness statement in the defamation case with Rowley.
“He has said that by the grace of God, he would prove this was a move driven by hate and vengeance,” the insider said. In a statement last Thursday, hours after West made his report, Ramlogan claimed the allegation was “part of a wider political conspiracy designed to damage the government as we draw closer to elections.”
National Security Minister Gary Griffith, who has been identified as a witness in West’s complaint, when he claimed that Ramlogan duped him into contacting West to follow up on whether the witness had withdrawn the witness statement as discussed. Griffith had claimed that he did not know the contents of the document he was asked to follow up on with West.
Griffith said yesterday that has been cleared by investigators and was not a suspect in anyway while the provisions of PCA Act 2006 protects West. Lalla, the T&T Guardian learned has not yet been informed of the confirmation of the appointment but has signalled to close friends that once approached, he would accept. “He is not saying anything until the Prime Minister speaks because he does not want to jump the gun,” a close friend said.
she fire half de government
Panday said he welcome a probe into alleged witness tampering involving former Ramlogan. He said the probe must me a meaningful one and there should be no cover up.He said if there was a cover up the entire exercise would be meaningless.
If this current government gets another 5 years we will end up just like Guyana not just financially and economically but also race relations wise.
I feel the PM give west that job so that he would not be a witness for Dr Rowley ,she also should be charged for witness tampering . That lady cannot be trusted
So what was the final conclusion to the above story ? Swept under the rug ? Drinks all around ? What ?
Ah feeling ah feeling, everything just working out...there came the pastor with 29 Million, and the barber with ONLY 1. Everybody have a buddy they does straighten out and legally pass the dunzei. Al Capone is boo to we Leaders. Ah still wondering where the money in the backseat of the car come and gone, not a word of retribution or condonation ...all is forgotten, like ah beats on the field if yuh team lorse..them players got game...small man killing each other in frustration and ignorance.So what was the final conclusion to the above story ? Swept under the rug ? Drinks all around ? What ?
Probably busy trying to message Carlos Ghosn. Then again, it's T&T: no need to scurry away under cover of day or night.
Jack agrees to pay Anand.
By Jada Loutoo (Newsday).
FORMER Independent Liberal Party (ILP) leader Jack Warner has agreed to pay a portion of the sum he was ordered to pay to compensate former attorney general Anand Ramlogan in 2015.
Warner also agreed to withdraw his appeal of Justice Robin Mohammed’s ruling.
Hearing of the appeal came up before Justices Allan Mendonca, Alice Yorke-Soo Hon, and Prakash Moosai yesterday and attorneys for both men said they had entered into a consent order.
As part of the compromise, Ramlogan agreed to waive part of the judgment sum, which had amounted to close to $900,000. This brought an end to the lawsuit.
In his ruling, Mohammed held that Warner had defamed his former cabinet colleague in a speech in October 2013.
Speaking on an ILP platform in the run-up to the local government elections, Warner claimed Ramlogan owned 51 properties bought by corrupt means during his tenure as AG.
Warner was ordered to pay $600,000 in general and aggravated damages and $200,000 in exemplary damages. The costs of the defamation claim were quantified at $94,000.
Warner was represented by Asha Watkins-Monteserin. Ganesh Saroop appeared for Ramlogan.