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Don’t be daunted
CoP, at passing out parade
By Akile Simon
COMMISSIONER of Police Dwayne Gibbs yesterday urged a new batch of police officers to be relentless in their duties as the country grapples with a rise in criminal activity.
The Commissioner said on Tuesday that he hoped the sudden spike in murders was “an aberration”. There has been 31 murders in the last 10 days.
In a media release issued yesterday, the Police Service said for the month of November, officers arrested and charged 14 people in connection with 12 murders.
The release stated after “extensive, intensive and comprehensive work” the arrests were made and after consultation with the Director of Public Prosecutions Roger Gaspard the suspects were charged.
Addressing the new recruits, Gibbs said, the country was facing challenging times and police officers must stand firm in executing their duties in order to bring the situation under control.
Gibbs was addressing 60 police officers who graduated from Police Training Academy, in St James, after several months of training.
He said: “Make no mistake; policing today is very complex and challenging. Criminals today are schooled in carrying out acts of terror. They leave nothing to chance and will painstakingly analyse every aspect of your ability before they commit their acts of violence against you and those you are sworn to protect and serve.”
“As officers of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service, you must be relentless in your pursuit to right the wrongs and protect and serve with pride, the men and women you have never met, and may never know.
The job you signed up for is not easy. There will be long nights. It demands focus, determination, and great bravery in the face of unknown dangers,” Gibbs told the officers.
He also added that there is no place for complacency and mediocrity within the service and warned the officers that they must exercise extreme caution with the authority vested upon them, and they should never overstep their boundaries.
“Your integrity must be maintained at all cost. Police officers are in a position of public trust... a trust that, if broken, will create an atmosphere of hostility between the police and the public.
You must remain professional in all that you do and forever be committed to the highest level of standards within the service,” Gibbs said.
Gibbs told the officers that too often, police officers conveniently forgot why they joined an organisation that is under constant scrutiny.
“Everyone is a photographer and a producer with a cellphone. Be careful how you conduct yourself as you are a reflection of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service. Your behaviour must always be above reproach and must exhibit high ethical stands.”
(http://www.newsday.co.tt/galeria/2010-12-19-9-6_A_CoP_in_Uniform_-_1.10.10_(4).jpg)
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I think this guy will try his best to clean up the police service....anyhow.
COPS IN TROUBLE
By Akile Simon akile.simon@trinidadexpress.com
Story Created: Nov 26, 2010 at 12:28 AM ECT
Story Updated: Nov 26, 2010 at 3:32 AM ECT
POLICE probing the murder of Telecommunications Services of Trinidad and Tobago employee Kenny Goddard have unearthed a corrupt practice involving three of their colleagues and a TSTT employee, who were providing security for work crews in high risk areas.
Three police officers assigned to the Inter-Agency Task Force (IATF) are now facing criminal and disciplinary charges.
Two of the officers, who are constables, were performing unauthorised “extra duties”, investigators said, near Peake’s gas station in Cocorite on Sunday, but fled the scene after Goddard, 38, of Goya Street, El Dorado was shot and killed by a gunman.
Investigators described the killing as a hit and TSTT has offered a reward of $100,000 for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the killers.
Sources said the officers, who were not close to the work site when the shooting incident occurred, reportedly fled the scene moments after, even before police responded to the report and did not pursue the suspect or the getaway car.
The two officers, who performed a similar duty the day before dressed in police uniform, were this time dressed in civilian clothing and were in an unmarked vehicle belonging to TSTT, investigators said.
The other officer, a sergeant, has been identified as the third person who allowed the officers to perform the illegal duties in collaboration with a senior TSTT employee.
Police sources yesterday told the Express that even though there was no official record in any police diary or register stating that the officers had been given approval to perform guard duties, investigators were able identify the two officers who fled the scene after Goddard was shot.
One police source said that TSTT’s management was not aware that a TSTT employee worked-hand-in-hand with the sergeant to provide armed police officers to perform guard duties for pay.
Contacted last evening for a comment in relation to the latest allegations, TSTT's Head of Public Relations and External Affairs Camille Salandy said that the company was “working very closely with the police” in its investigation and at the appropriate time, once clearance is given from the police, TSTT would issue a full statement.
On Tuesday, TSTT's Vice President of Human Resources and Administration, Edghill Messiah, said there was no breach of protocol in the hiring of police officers to protect the 14-man crew at Cocorite.
“The officers were procured through official channels, as is our prescribed procedure in these situations whenever we have to work like this,” Messiah said.
“We made an approach to the police and we will tell them the nature of work we're doing and the number of staff that will be there and the police will then say how many officers they think should be at the scene. In this instance we did just that and two officers were sent.”
He said the officers were also there on Saturday in police in full uniform were on duty when the crew began the job, but said he did not know why they were not also in uniform on Sunday.
“We cannot say at this point why they were not in uniform on the Sunday but we know that they were there,” he said.
However, a senior police source said: “Based on what we have gathered so far, the company’s management had absolutely no idea as to what was taking place at a lower level in the company. It appears to be a direct connection with a particular TSTT employee and one of the officers, to perform the unauthorised duties,” the source said.
The Express was reliably informed that the IATF officers, who had been conducting similar duties with TSTT, had their own receipt books and would issue receipts to TSTT, purportedly to be on behalf of the Police Service, for payment.
Officers attached to the Western Division have stood their ground that they never received an official request from TSTT for guard duties last weekend.
“The monies were never paid at the Western Division’s headquarters at the St James Police Station, simply because the requests never came to the division, as it should have. This thing was being done under the table and the employee would directly contact the sergeant, who would send the constables to perform the duties,” the senior police source said.
“This has been happening long time now. Finally the law has caught up them... Let’s see them get away from this one because they failed to even respond to the crime and that’s a serious offence,” a police source at the IATF told the Express.
Goddard is expected to be laid to rest later today after a funeral service at the Tranquility Methodist Church, Tragarete Road in Port of Spain.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Illegal-extra-duties-110739764.html
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Yuh doh bring in that level of expertise and pay that sum of money and doh expect results? Remember the clause in the contract........ Right now my retirement plans for coming back home is on hold. Ah have faoith in these men else ah destined to keep meh arse in this blasted cold!
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=51149.0
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US$10,000 for info on 'snitch'
Beetham gang offers reward:
By by Akile Simon
COMMISSIONER of Police Dwayne Gibbs yesterday described allegations that a Beetham gang has offered a $US10,000 reward for information regarding a recent police raid which yielded a deadly rifle used by the United States army, as a very frightening scenario.
On November 5, officers of the North Eastern Division Task Force, acting on information, went to an open yard at Hell Yard Beetham, where they dug up a deadly M4 Colt rifle; 400 rounds of 5.56 and 7.62 calibre ammunition, which are used in Galil, SLR and AK-47 rifles; three bulletproof vests, one of them belonging to an officer employed with the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service; a camouflage kit, a telescope for the M4 Colt rifle and 500 grammes of Jamaican compressed marijuana.
The rifle is specifically made for the United States Army and was the number one weapon used by the US in its wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and Colombia, police said.
Officers expressed shock at the discovery of such a deadly weapon, saying it was the first of its kind they had ever seen in the country.
Police told the Sunday Express that before the discovery of the items, they had arrested a well-known gangster from Beetham Gardens, who was later released and placed under constant surveillance, which eventually led them to the deadly stash.
During a brief telephone interview yesterday, Commissioner Gibbs said if the allegations are true, he remains very concerned on such a stance taken by criminals in order to further their nefarious activities.
"If they are offering rewards like that, well it's something that I would want to investigate very quickly. Certainly rewards are offered for various reasons and it's for their (criminals) purpose to commit other illegal acts and certainly I would want to look into it very quickly.
"What disturbs me is the fact that, if they are offering that type of reward, they got it to publish that or put that out there, that should give us a starting point to look into it more," Gibbs said.
Last week, the Sunday Express received reliable information from a source at Beetham that the reward was offered in exchange for information leading to the person(s) who would have directed police to the illegal stash. Police sources have also confirmed that they too heard of the reward, which was very alarming in their fight against crime. Officers said such actions could have serious consequences since the leader of the gang is indicating that he will kill the person(s) who may have given the information to police.
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:D this go be an active chread
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"For those of you who rationalise your illegal activities as 'eeding a food' you may find yourself eeding a food behind bars" -C.o.P Dwayne Gibbs last Friday at media briefing to discuss weed eater exercises.
I nearly pass out :rotfl:
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"For those of you who rationalise you illegal activities as 'eeding a food' you may find yourself eeding a food behind bars" -C.o.P Dwayne Gibbs last Friday at media briefing to discuss weed eater exercises.
I nearly pass out :rotfl:
CO-SIGNNNNN I say he Trini ahready
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"For those of you who rationalise your illegal activities as 'eeding a food' you may find yourself eeding a food behind bars" -C.o.P Dwayne Gibbs last Friday at media briefing to discuss weed eater exercises.
I nearly pass out :rotfl:
De man learnin fass......he must be did have de rank and file rollin wit da one.
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(http://www.newsday.co.tt/galeria/2010-12-01-4-1A_MARAJ-GIBBS-_PM_AND_VOLNEY.jpg)
UNHAPPY with current anti-crime plans which have failed to arrest the worrying spate of serious crimes, a no-nonsense Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar yesterday instructed the top brass of the Police Service, led by Commissioner Dwayne Gibbs, to come up with at least five new strategies, never used before, to tackle crime.
“These same old same old anti-crime initiatives do not appear to be working and I am now asking that each of you here come up with five new strategies never used before to deal effectively with crime and for the betterment of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service,” Persad-Bissessar instructed.
Police sources said many officers in the top brass including Gibbs appeared stumped after being given the new instruction. This assignment has to be completed before the next National Security Council (chaired by Persad-Bissessar) meeting is held at year’s end.
Newsday understands that at the meeting, which lasted about an hour and 45 minutes, on the Fifth Floor of Police Administration Building, Sackville Street in Port-of-Spain, the Prime Minister told officers that Government would supply the police service with all the tools and resources necessary to fight crime. However, she stressed that she expects results and that the public, under attack by criminals, also expect the same.
She said the fight against crime was not only the responsibility of the police, but a combined responsibility between the TTPS, Government and the public, and as such she expects a better relationship between the three.
“The commissioner had said on the last occasion that we will go hard on the criminals and we will indeed be going hard on them. Everyone here has agreed to partner together to really stem the flow of crime in the country and with the new strategies discussed, we will be expecting to see a higher visibility of police officers soon,” Persad-Bissessar told reporters.
Asked about her thoughts on the performance of Canadian-born Gibbs, Persad-Bissessar merely smiled saying that while she was not disappointed, she believed there was always room for improvement, for the commissioner and all members of her staff, including herself.
Gibbs described the meeting as fruitful and the police are ready to implement several strategies to combat crime in the short, medium and long term.
Colonel Albert Griffith, interim head of the Special Anti-Crime Unit of T and T (SAUTT) said every resource and every member of staff under his control would be at the full disposal of the Police Commissioner. He said SAUTT would continue to make sure there is as little room as possible for criminals to manoeuvre.
http://www.newsday.co.tt/news/0,131731.html (http://www.newsday.co.tt/news/0,131731.html)
http://www.youtube.com/v/RT_INmTzamM&feature=related
Put aside the obvious partisan overtones of this and focus on the fact that there was no new plan since May and there still isn't one. 'Same old ,same old' kind of tactic too. A big show for the media to appear active and engaged. Joseph and Manning were not given the latitude to defer responsibility in this way.
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As they say I nearly fall of meh chair when I hear she goin and ask Gibbs 4 he crime plan. I vaguely emphasis on vaguely rememner something bout a crime plan in d PP manifesto.
I say Gibbs came to implement d gr8 PP PLAN. But then again once Martin left dat was a key part ah d plan. So we well on our way.
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SIA Back in Business (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Gibbs__Probe_over__SIA_back_in_business_-111092859.html)
THE Security Intelligence Agency (SIA), the unit which has come under severe criticisms and scrutiny for reports of wire-tapping phones of law abiding citizens, has been given the green light to continue its operations, Commissioner of Police Dwayne Gibbs said yesterday.
However, Gibbs said the police's investigation into the agency was over.
The SIA, he said, was temporarily shut down for a few days during their investigation.
He noted, though, that until the Interception of Communications Bill was proclaimed law, the unit will not be able to continue wire-tapping phones and intercepting emails and text messages of citizens.
Speaking with reporters outside the West End Police Station yesterday, Gibbs said no criminal or other charges would be laid against officials at the agency, therefore, they have been allowed to continue their work.
"We are not expecting this (charges) to be laid. We have done our investigations and we have moved on and we are allowing the people to move on," Gibbs said.
Questioned on what his investigations into the spy agency revealed, Gibbs said, "You have heard what the investigations have revealed. Our Prime Minister (Kamla Persad-Bissessar) has publicised that through the news."
Asked about the involvement of the Criminal Intelligence Unit (CIU), an agency under the Police Service which has also been spying on citizens' telephone conversations, Gibbs refused to give a definite answer.
He said it was the work of CIU and other intelligence agencies, which leads the police on several exercises, which yield positive results.
"It (CIU) helps us to be able to narrow down and say, 'these are our targets here, these are the hot spots.' These are the areas that we need to work on criminally, .. they put those pieces together for us.
"And again, I won't either confirm or deny what they (CIU) do, they do their intelligence gathering, and how they do it is something that is not open to the public," Gibbs said.
Gibbs said interception of communication is a vital tool in the fight against crime, adding such methods must be employed when other avenues have failed.
"Those (interception) are police tactics; those are Government tactics in terms of dealing with criminal activities, security activities," he said.
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So he was hired and given millions of dollars without even having a crime plan before?? Not capable i tell you
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Not one charge , hmmm.
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Not one charge , hmmm.
Exactly. Even though some persons were telling me that from the outset. So this was what? Something to give the interception of communication bill some leverage? A massive pappy show? What?
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Not one charge , hmmm.
Exactly. Even though some persons were telling me that from the outset. So this was what? Something to give the interception of communication bill some leverage? A massive pappy show? What?
Demonise Manning even further and stave off public criticism.
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The bill make everything now more "transparent" and legal.
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So he was hired and given millions of dollars without even having a crime plan before?? Not capable i tell you
D man read d manifesto and came 2 implement d PLAN. When he reach he learn it eh have none.
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The bill make everything now more "transparent" and legal.
Legal spying vs illegal spying but still spying.
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PM's MIX-UP
It's not Gibbs: Office of the Prime Minister amends statement on who's in charge of the SIA
By Akile Simon
The Office of the Prime Minister stated yesterday that Commissioner of Police Dwayne Gibbs does not have sole control over the controversial Security Intelligence Agency (SIA). Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar sought to clarify the issue surrounding who had control of the agency, hours after the Express published an exclusive story yesterday, in which Gibbs denied a statement made on Monday by Persad-Bissessar, that he (Gibbs) had sole jurisdiction of the agency.
The unit, Persad-Bissessar's office said, is a State agency and reports to the Ministry of National Security and the National Security Council (NSC), which is chaired by Persad-Bissessar. The Prime Minister's first statement on Monday had come in response to a Sunday Express story, in which a senior Government official stated that Persad-Bissessar, in her capacity as chairman of the NSC, had the SIA files at some point. Persad-Bissessar's latest statement, her office said, is meant to "clarify and amend" Monday's statement in which it stated that the SIA was under the sole jurisdiction of Commissioner of Police Dwayne Gibbs.
The Prime Minister's latest statement reads:
The Office of the Prime Minister wishes to clarify the issue arising in recent media reports as to which State body has oversight over the Security Intelligence Agency (SIA). In a previous statement from the Office of the Prime Minister, dated Monday, December 6, 2010, it was stated that:
"Regarding the SIA and the recent investigations into this unit, the Office of the Prime Minister wishes to stress that the Commissioner of Police had—and continues to have—sole and exclusive jurisdiction and control over the SIA and all matters concerning investigations into its recent operations fall exclusively under the ambit and purview of the Commissioner of Police."
This was issued in light of media reports alleging that the Prime Minister was in possession of files seized by the police in the recent investigations into the SIA, which at the time, was an illegal unit.
The Office of the Prime Minister notes that the aforementioned statement inadvertently gave the media the wrong impression that the SIA falls under the jurisdiction of the Commissioner of Police.
To clarify and amend this statement and to set the record straight, the Office of the Prime Minister wishes to state that it should have read that:
"Regarding the SIA and the recent investigations into this unit, the Office of the Prime Minister wishes to stress that the Commissioner of Police had—and continues to have—sole and exclusive jurisdiction and control over the SIA in this regard and all matters concerning investigations into its recent operations fall exclusively under the ambit and purview of the Commissioner of Police."
The Office of the Prime Minister wishes to therefore state that while the Commissioner of Police had sole jurisdiction of the SIA regarding the recent investigations into the unit, the SIA does not fall under the ambit of the Commissioner of Police.
There was no legislative framework to regulate and govern the operations of the SIA. This is in part what prompted the police investigations and present Cabinet directed audit into the operations of this entity.
This prompted the People's Partnership Government to bring the Interception of Communications Bill to the Parliament which was passed by unanimous vote in both the Lower House and the Senate last week.
The legislation specifies the legal entities which are now authorised to intercept communication. The three offices that are authorised to conduct interception are the Commissioner of Police, the Chief of the Defence Staff and the Director of the Strategic Services Agency (SSA).
The SIA is not included among these institutions and therefore is not empowered to intercept communications. The Government is in the process of streamlining and rationalising the various intelligence agencies of the State and the SIA is therefore in the process of merging with the SSA. The SSA is governed by legislation and is now authorised to lawfully intercept communications.
In the interim, the SIA, like all other protective institutions of the State, reports to the Ministry of National Security and the National Security Council.
Save and except that the Honourable Prime Minister received information from the Office of the Commissioner of Police regarding names, telephone numbers and email addresses of some of the persons who were the subject of interception by the SIA, the Office of the Prime Minister wishes to reiterate that, as previously stated, it does not, nor has it ever been, in possession of any intercepted communication by the SIA and all allegations otherwise are false, misleading and erroneous.
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It is very unusual for the Office of the Prime Minister to make mistakes like that.
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Not one charge , hmmm.
Exactly. Even though some persons were telling me that from the outset. So this was what? Something to give the interception of communication bill some leverage? A massive pappy show? What?
To distract we from the Fazeer firestorm that was rolling through......
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Not one charge , hmmm.
Exactly. Even though some persons were telling me that from the outset. So this was what? Something to give the interception of communication bill some leverage? A massive pappy show? What?
To distract we from the Fazeer firestorm that was rolling through......
Worked quite well ent?
It is very unusual for the Office of the Prime Minister to make mistakes like that.
Probably the same people who did the campaign promises. Misprint seems to be their modus operandi.
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I confused ??? ???
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I confused ??? ???
Mission Accomplished then.
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I confused ??? ???
Mission Accomplished then.
:heehee: :heehee:
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I confused ??? ???
At least u eh home tink bout we who here and have 2 deal wit dis state of confusion.
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I confused ??? ???
Mission Accomplished then.
Lol, ent? Dem people playing smart with foolishness. How hard is it to say that the CoP has sole responsibility for all investigations related to the SIA?? By using 'sole jurisdiction' they either deliberately, or conveniently created confusion over who has jurisdiction over the SIA... and still refuse to shed absolute clarity on the matter.
Watch Gibbs get heng out tuh dry when all is said and done.
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In these times, of heavy crime calls for a 'heavy handed' approach. Have those in authority ever considered :
random 'lockdowns' of all areas in TnT. Bring in the army, coast guard, police and set up dragnets, shut down all internet, cellular use at different times and move through areas at undisclosed times until we keep these criminal elements on edge.
There appears to be a preponderance and abuse of 'civil liberties' that is rampant. The callousness at which people could abuse and treat others" witness the recent death of a police officer who attempted to reprimand a man for urinating in public; witness the parking mayhem along the Eastern Main rd.... big trucks, and vehicles of all sorts simply stopping and parking on an already congested roadway. What we accept as simply a way of doing things may have lead to even greater disregard for how we live and treat each other. This wanton disregard for human life, for property, for highly moral values have to change.
Time to clean out all departments of security from the top down to the streets. If daily armed army patrols have to be on the streets in every area and every district of TnT, then so be it. I remember one year I came back and was surprised to see armed militia patrolling the streets...but say what, if it would be a deterrent to crime then time to bring on real force!!!!!
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As of right now Dwayne Gibbs appears as "a waste of money"
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As of right now Dwayne Gibbs appears as "a waste of money"
The entire government seems to be a waste...don't you agree?
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As of right now Dwayne Gibbs appears as "a waste of money"
The entire government seems to be a waste...don't you agree?
yeah but, an opposition still misfiring and unsure of itself can't be a viable option at dis time, so if we were also to look at sammy analogy..........d latrine hole and attendant shit gettin deeper as we speak :'(
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As of right now Dwayne Gibbs appears as "a waste of money"
It would be entirely way to premature to come to such a conclusion.
Mr. Gibbs has been dropped into the deep end and finds himself in a transformational position/role. This man and his assistant need more time. The Government's crime plan, which he has to implement is lacking. So up to this point I still give him a pass.
Remembering that he has to transform an organization that has been carrying on in a a particular manner for close to 50 years. He has to change culture, indeed the entire paradigm of the organization while keeping stakeholders happy.
That is NOT an easy task considering the FACT that he first has to weed out the corrupt, inept and those who just want to cause mischief and see him fail simply becasue he is a foreigner. Added to that we have had a recent upswing in the spate of violent crime, and in my opinion, the police seem to have been responding faster to reports called in.
In order to truly judge his performance will not only require more time, but we also need to know what the rubric is. That is what is the GORTT's plan to deal with the escalation, beyond holding meetings to embarrass the man?
It is clear to me that this Government is dismantling the free press by poaching the reporters/journalists (if you really are so inclined to call them such) from the news organizations and giving them cushy high paying Government jobs. It is said that to the victor goes the spoils, and the clear appearance is that this government is sharing the spoils with those who helped undermine the last government.
The opposition is sitting by and making no real comments on issues but are instead raising issues on Minaj concerts, shutting down the nation due to a cloud, whose house is bigger and how much did it cost?
It is like a case of dumb and dumber, and we have blood flowing daily like rain water after a thunderstorm.
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As of right now Dwayne Gibbs appears as "a waste of money"
While I didn't expect any drastic change in the crime rate I did expected to hear about initiatives to improve the management of the system. I thought we would have seen something by now. Before we blame Gibbs for anything we might want to consider what the Police Service Commission wanted in a Commissioner. Did they want a CEO to correct management issues here and there or did they want an active change agent to 'attack' crime head on ?So far Gibbs has been fairly silent. He did meet with senior police of course and he also asked for the public to assist on weeding out bad cops. Just recently he was seen leading an exercise in Laventille. I must admit that I recall Philbert conducting similar exercises more frequently.
We need to assess the the incidence of violent crimes over a longer period especially when you consider the poor fella get caught up in the Government shenanigans for the past month. There is more than passing suggestion that the SIA revelations made the Honourable Prime Minister lead to a number of informants being dispatched the underworld. November was unusually bloody.
Perhaps changes are taking place behind close doors. But the public and indeed the criminal element react to visible changes.Gibbs is charged with a formidable task and I am not sure he has what it takes. T&T, well Trinidad really is one of the most violent places in the world. I hate to profile him but this guy came from Nova Scotia. Does he even have a record of turning around police departments ? Has he ever dealt with violent crime on this scale. I don't know if he could do all that and deal with political machinations as well.
One thing nobody has talked about is performance measures. Neither the Government nor the CoP has said anything about target for arrests ,convictions , interdiction of arms, ammunition and narcotics or the overall reduction in the rate of specific crimes. This gap is symptomatic of poor planning or non planning as it may be.
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I gave him 6 months before he give up he paid vacation and go back to Canada. Let's see he came in September so 3 months down, 3 more to go.....
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I gave him 6 months before he give up he paid vacation and go back to Canada. Let's see he came in September so 3 months down, 3 more to go.....
Nah I give him till xmas next yr.
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it have no magical cure to crime plain and simple. is years now this thing boiling up. good luck to him
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it have no magical cure to crime plain and simple. is years now this thing boiling up. good luck to him
Really I did hear bout 1 in d PP MANIFESTO.
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it have no magical cure to crime plain and simple. is years now this thing boiling up. good luck to him
There is a however, a magical cure for criminals!
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it have no magical cure to crime plain and simple. is years now this thing boiling up. good luck to him
Really I did hear bout 1 in d PP MANIFESTO.
true.
Maybe they implementing it right now, we dunno. I dont think it makes sense to come and spell out your plan to the criminals via the press.
Lets hope this is the case and it works.
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it have no magical cure to crime plain and simple. is years now this thing boiling up. good luck to him
Really I did hear bout 1 in d PP MANIFESTO.
true.
Maybe they implementing it right now, we dunno. I dont think it makes sense to come and spell out your plan to the criminals via the press.
Lets hope this is the case and it works.
Tactical plans should not be revealed . The public should be made aware of strategic plans if there are any.
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it have no magical cure to crime plain and simple. is years now this thing boiling up. good luck to him
Really I did hear bout 1 in d PP MANIFESTO.
true.
Maybe they implementing it right now, we dunno. I dont think it makes sense to come and spell out your plan to the criminals via the press.
Lets hope this is the case and it works.
Did u not here d AG ask Gibbs 4 he plan.
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Five murders in a matter of hours
http://www.youtube.com/v/PmhvVJ-BHCQ
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DEADLY START TO NEW YEAR
4 murders, 2 road deaths usher in 2011
By Akile Simon
COMMISSIONER of Police Dwayne Gibbs yesterday warned criminals they were not welcome in a civilised society and that all efforts would be made by police to take them where they belong.
In a telephone interview with the Sunday Express, Gibbs said:
"There is no place in our society for their activities and we'll be working tirelessly to try to prevent them from achieving any kinds of inroads in the communities that they live in and are associated with."..Continue...http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/DEADLY_START_TO_NEW_YEAR-112760084.html
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No answer to Crime...and Gibbs has NOT impressed me
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DEADLY START TO NEW YEAR
4 murders, 2 road deaths usher in 2011
By Akile Simon
COMMISSIONER of Police Dwayne Gibbs yesterday warned criminals they were not welcome in a civilised society and that all efforts would be made by police to take them where they belong.
In a telephone interview with the Sunday Express, Gibbs said:
"There is no place in our society for their activities and we'll be working tirelessly to try to prevent them from achieving any kinds of inroads in the communities that they live in and are associated with."..Continue...http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/DEADLY_START_TO_NEW_YEAR-112760084.html
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Positive talk Mr.Gibbs; I like the rhetoric..I also read where the P.M. said less talk and more action would be forthcoming this year. Both these releases are encouraging. Thank you leaders. 'by what ever means necessary' purge our loving nation of thee corrosive elements.
But wait nah, ah fell them reading these threads ..some of the crime plans is what I see posted here before. Good good...... Restore TnT to the land it was and could be for the future.
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DEADLY START TO NEW YEAR
4 murders, 2 road deaths usher in 2011
By Akile Simon
COMMISSIONER of Police Dwayne Gibbs yesterday warned criminals they were not welcome in a civilised society and that all efforts would be made by police to take them where they belong.
In a telephone interview with the Sunday Express, Gibbs said:
"There is no place in our society for their activities and we'll be working tirelessly to try to prevent them from achieving any kinds of inroads in the communities that they live in and are associated with."..Continue...http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/DEADLY_START_TO_NEW_YEAR-112760084.html
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Positive talk Mr.Gibbs; I like the rhetoric..I also read where the P.M. said less talk and more action would be forthcoming this year. Both these releases are encouraging. Thank you leaders. 'by what ever means necessary' purge our loving nation of thee corrosive elements.
But wait nah, ah fell them reading these threads ..some of the crime plans is what I see posted here before. Good good...... Restore TnT to the land it was and could be for the future.
Yuh know, i does try meh best tuh ignore you and the nonsense you does be talking, but this time ah cyar hold meh tongue. fella yuh allowing yuh political preferences tuh cloud your judgement real bad! what will it take for you to have an objected view and stop talkin outa timin!
FYI, the PNM was in power for about 9 yrs and under their watch the crime ting spiralled out of control! so yuh expect 9 yrs of sh!t to be cleaned up in 7 months?? you can't be fackin serious!! the ppl trying tuh clean up the sh!t but it's ah lot of sh!t and it will take time!
so in the mean time , shut yuh trap and stop playing political favorites and give the ppl ah chance tuh clean up the mess the former administration made! if yuh love the country as you say then think about the bigger picture, the welfare of the citizenry and the country, and not political allegiances! :shameonyou:
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DEADLY START TO NEW YEAR
4 murders, 2 road deaths usher in 2011
By Akile Simon
COMMISSIONER of Police Dwayne Gibbs yesterday warned criminals they were not welcome in a civilised society and that all efforts would be made by police to take them where they belong.
In a telephone interview with the Sunday Express, Gibbs said:
"There is no place in our society for their activities and we'll be working tirelessly to try to prevent them from achieving any kinds of inroads in the communities that they live in and are associated with."..Continue...http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/DEADLY_START_TO_NEW_YEAR-112760084.html
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Positive talk Mr.Gibbs; I like the rhetoric..I also read where the P.M. said less talk and more action would be forthcoming this year. Both these releases are encouraging. Thank you leaders. 'by what ever means necessary' purge our loving nation of thee corrosive elements.
But wait nah, ah fell them reading these threads ..some of the crime plans is what I see posted here before. Good good...... Restore TnT to the land it was and could be for the future.
Yuh know, i does try meh best tuh ignore you and the nonsense you does be talking, but this time ah cyar hold meh tongue. fella yuh allowing yuh political preferences tuh cloud your judgement real bad! what will it take for you to have an objected view and stop talkin outa timin!
FYI, the PNM was in power for about 9 yrs and under their watch the crime ting spiralled out of control! so yuh expect 9 yrs of sh!t to be cleaned up in 7 months?? you can't be fackin serious!! the ppl trying tuh clean up the sh!t but it's ah lot of sh!t and it will take time!
so in the mean time , shut yuh trap and stop playing political favorites and give the ppl ah chance tuh clean up the mess the former administration made! if yuh love the country as you say then think about the bigger picture, the welfare of the citizenry and the country, and not political allegiances! :shameonyou:
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EXCUSE ME? With all due respect and without prejudice I see no reason to resort to statements like ...shut my trap what sort of rude and disrespectful retort is that? I don't know where you think that I may have some political bias? I left Trinidad when as a society and a people , there were less of a fear for personal safety and less reports of wanton crime. This has nothing to do with alleged political affinity.
For once we are seeing plans being alluded to by the present government, for once we are hearing of some affirmative action and for once there is a glimmer of hope and you seeing something else?
All of this has not one damn thing to do with political alleged alliances it simply has to do with a government that is beginning to bring forth assurances of a brighter future. Period.
I am not as naive and as myopic to disregard who is in governance, I want to see a place that I could come home to and that I could feel like my family and mother are not always at risk of the elements which plague s our society. Thsi has nothing to do with political affiliations. For your knowledge, the feelings of fear and crime have been with us for a while regardless of who was in power. My sentiments for an advocacy for action against crime was not reserved for just our present government. I am not here to create a fan base... but to express my opinions..if it does not align with yours oh well ignore is ok. So with all due respects....
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Yuh know, i does try meh best tuh ignore you and the nonsense you does be talking, but this time ah cyar hold meh tongue. fella yuh allowing yuh political preferences tuh cloud your judgement real bad! what will it take for you to have an objected view and stop talkin outa timin!
FYI, the PNM was in power for about 9 yrs and under their watch the crime ting spiralled out of control! so yuh expect 9 yrs of sh!t to be cleaned up in 7 months?? you can't be fackin serious!! the ppl trying tuh clean up the sh!t but it's ah lot of sh!t and it will take time!
so in the mean time , shut yuh trap and stop playing political favorites and give the ppl ah chance tuh clean up the mess the former administration made! if yuh love the country as you say then think about the bigger picture, the welfare of the citizenry and the country, and not political allegiances! :shameonyou:
Who's de one "talking nonsense" when you is de one injecting politics where it wasn't? So any criticism of this government is "playing political favorites" now? Only they supporters could criticize? Ah trying to understand de rules. The fact of the matter is HOW can you begin to address crime when yuh doh even have a plan?
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DEADLY START TO NEW YEAR
4 murders, 2 road deaths usher in 2011
By Akile Simon
COMMISSIONER of Police Dwayne Gibbs yesterday warned criminals they were not welcome in a civilised society and that all efforts would be made by police to take them where they belong.
In a telephone interview with the Sunday Express, Gibbs said:
"There is no place in our society for their activities and we'll be working tirelessly to try to prevent them from achieving any kinds of inroads in the communities that they live in and are associated with."..Continue...http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/DEADLY_START_TO_NEW_YEAR-112760084.html
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Positive talk Mr.Gibbs; I like the rhetoric..I also read where the P.M. said less talk and more action would be forthcoming this year. Both these releases are encouraging. Thank you leaders. 'by what ever means necessary' purge our loving nation of thee corrosive elements.
But wait nah, ah fell them reading these threads ..some of the crime plans is what I see posted here before. Good good...... Restore TnT to the land it was and could be for the future.
Yuh know, i does try meh best tuh ignore you and the nonsense you does be talking, but this time ah cyar hold meh tongue. fella yuh allowing yuh political preferences tuh cloud your judgement real bad! what will it take for you to have an objected view and stop talkin outa timin!
FYI, the PNM was in power for about 9 yrs and under their watch the crime ting spiralled out of control! so yuh expect 9 yrs of sh!t to be cleaned up in 7 months?? you can't be fackin serious!! the ppl trying tuh clean up the sh!t but it's ah lot of sh!t and it will take time!
so in the mean time , shut yuh trap and stop playing political favorites and give the ppl ah chance tuh clean up the mess the former administration made! if yuh love the country as you say then think about the bigger picture, the welfare of the citizenry and the country, and not political allegiances! :shameonyou:
You made that clear as mud.
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Yuh know, i does try meh best tuh ignore you and the nonsense you does be talking, but this time ah cyar hold meh tongue. fella yuh allowing yuh political preferences tuh cloud your judgement real bad! what will it take for you to have an objected view and stop talkin outa timin!
FYI, the PNM was in power for about 9 yrs and under their watch the crime ting spiralled out of control! so yuh expect 9 yrs of sh!t to be cleaned up in 7 months?? you can't be fackin serious!! the ppl trying tuh clean up the sh!t but it's ah lot of sh!t and it will take time!
so in the mean time , shut yuh trap and stop playing political favorites and give the ppl ah chance tuh clean up the mess the former administration made! if yuh love the country as you say then think about the bigger picture, the welfare of the citizenry and the country, and not political allegiances! :shameonyou:
Who's de one "talking nonsense" when you is de one injecting politics where it wasn't? So any criticism of this government is "playing political favorites" now? Only they supporters could criticize? Ah trying to understand de rules. The fact of the matter is HOW can you begin to address crime when yuh doh even have a plan?
Seems like you lookin for ah confrontation or what bro?? you're clearly not aware of this man's political affiliation, while i know for a fact he's ah PNM till he ded! that's why i made the reply, BC just like the republican diehards, he won't be patient and wait for positive results or give credit where it's due, rather on the contrary, it's criticism after criticism just after 7 months.
every body's entitled to their opinion, yes, but why must i only listen, especially over a period of months and not be able to say how fackin annoying it really is. whether the ppl have ah solid plan or not, @ least give them ah chance to produce, after all, i don't think anyone could be worst than the fackin former administration. and seven months is not enough to make ah proper analysis.
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DEADLY START TO NEW YEAR
4 murders, 2 road deaths usher in 2011
By Akile Simon
COMMISSIONER of Police Dwayne Gibbs yesterday warned criminals they were not welcome in a civilised society and that all efforts would be made by police to take them where they belong.
In a telephone interview with the Sunday Express, Gibbs said:
"There is no place in our society for their activities and we'll be working tirelessly to try to prevent them from achieving any kinds of inroads in the communities that they live in and are associated with."..Continue...http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/DEADLY_START_TO_NEW_YEAR-112760084.html
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Positive talk Mr.Gibbs; I like the rhetoric..I also read where the P.M. said less talk and more action would be forthcoming this year. Both these releases are encouraging. Thank you leaders. 'by what ever means necessary' purge our loving nation of thee corrosive elements.
But wait nah, ah fell them reading these threads ..some of the crime plans is what I see posted here before. Good good...... Restore TnT to the land it was and could be for the future.
Yuh know, i does try meh best tuh ignore you and the nonsense you does be talking, but this time ah cyar hold meh tongue. fella yuh allowing yuh political preferences tuh cloud your judgement real bad! what will it take for you to have an objected view and stop talkin outa timin!
FYI, the PNM was in power for about 9 yrs and under their watch the crime ting spiralled out of control! so yuh expect 9 yrs of sh!t to be cleaned up in 7 months?? you can't be fackin serious!! the ppl trying tuh clean up the sh!t but it's ah lot of sh!t and it will take time!
so in the mean time , shut yuh trap and stop playing political favorites and give the ppl ah chance tuh clean up the mess the former administration made! if yuh love the country as you say then think about the bigger picture, the welfare of the citizenry and the country, and not political allegiances! :shameonyou:
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EXCUSE ME? With all due respect and without prejudice I see no reason to resort to statements like ...shut my trap what sort of rude and disrespectful retort is that? I don't know where you think that I may have some political bias? I left Trinidad when as a society and a people , there were less of a fear for personal safety and less reports of wanton crime. This has nothing to do with alleged political affinity.
For once we are seeing plans being alluded to by the present government, for once we are hearing of some affirmative action and for once there is a glimmer of hope and you seeing something else?
All of this has not one damn thing to do with political alleged alliances it simply has to do with a government that is beginning to bring forth assurances of a brighter future. Period.
I am not as naive and as myopic to disregard who is in governance, I want to see a place that I could come home to and that I could feel like my family and mother are not always at risk of the elements which plague s our society. Thsi has nothing to do with political affiliations. For your knowledge, the feelings of fear and crime have been with us for a while regardless of who was in power. My sentiments for an advocacy for action against crime was not reserved for just our present government. I am not here to create a fan base... but to express my opinions..if it does not align with yours oh well ignore is ok. So with all due respects....
My apologies bro, didn't know you was so thin skinned.
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whether the ppl have ah solid plan or not, @ least give them ah chance to produce, after all, i don't think anyone could be worst than the fackin former administration. and seven months is not enough to make ah proper analysis.
Yuh see right dey, dais whey yuh argument fall down. Cuz they did have a plan......yuh want mih to pull out the manifesto for you??....ah sure we find a few Youtube videos where dey professed to have de answers. In fact, the COP was the ones that had the plan. Ask Gary Griffith. Dey had a 120 day plan. Yuh know how long we pass 120 days?? But nah, dem gone down by Gibbs to ask he for he plan. Steups!! So if dem could ask him, who is A.B Trini and de rest ah we who asking??
Wheel and come again cuz yuh cyar be serious with this particular statement.....
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whether the ppl have ah solid plan or not, @ least give them ah chance to produce, after all, i don't think anyone could be worst than the fackin former administration. and seven months is not enough to make ah proper analysis.
Yuh see right dey, dais whey yuh argument fall down. Cuz they did have a plan......yuh want mih to pull out the manifesto for you??....ah sure we find a few Youtube videos where dey professed to have de answers. In fact, the COP was the ones that had the plan. Ask Gary Griffith. Dey had a 120 day plan. Yuh know how long we pass 120 days?? But nah, dem gone down by Gibbs to ask he for he plan. Steups!! So if dem could ask him, who is A.B Trini and de rest ah we who asking??
Wheel and come again cuz yuh cyar be serious with this particular statement.....
Bowled short and slow, met by a powerful straight drive over the boundary for 6 .
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whether the ppl have ah solid plan or not, @ least give them ah chance to produce, after all, i don't think anyone could be worst than the fackin former administration. and seven months is not enough to make ah proper analysis.
Yuh see right dey, dais whey yuh argument fall down. Cuz they did have a plan......yuh want mih to pull out the manifesto for you??....ah sure we find a few Youtube videos where dey professed to have de answers. In fact, the COP was the ones that had the plan. Ask Gary Griffith. Dey had a 120 day plan. Yuh know how long we pass 120 days?? But nah, dem gone down by Gibbs to ask he for he plan. Steups!! So if dem could ask him, who is A.B Trini and de rest ah we who asking??
Wheel and come again cuz yuh cyar be serious with this particular statement.....
Bowled short and slow, met by a powerful straight drive over the boundary for 6 .
ah love dis :D
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1070 General / General Discussion / Re: GENERAL ELECTIONS COMING SOON IN 2010 ! on: April 03, 2010, 05:23:56 AM
Quote from: just cool on April 02, 2010, 03:15:17 AM
i rather see ah whole new party that truly represents the faces of TNT, not no damn indian party or no african party, but ah party of all the ppls of TNT, with young vibrant minds and new ideas!
and when will this happen ? kamla just released her names for candidates of constituencies and I see mostly indians. i expect to see mostly black people too when Manning release his names later this weeks...the type of party you talking bout may have to evolve by itself and wont be PNM or UNC. maybe it will happen but not this generation
So let me get this straight. yuh don't want manning BC of what ever reason, then yuh say kamla on the same indian head as panday, now yuh tellin meh how we may never see ah party of many colours with young vibrant minds tuh run the place, so wait, it sounds like there's no sane choices, so why even bother tuh get involved wid the politics?
ah will tell yuh what, if kamla wins this election, she will not be able to fix the crime situation, unless she's brave enough to change the constitution and amend the old law on the books and bring new laws in favor of the state.
the problem is not that the government DON'T want tuh fix the crime situation, the fact is they can't, and they would never be able tuh fix it if they don't fix the criminal laws!
to many criminals on the streets, and the system can't seem tuh put them away in order to inact change! the criminal laws in TNT has too many loop holes.it's seriously flawed and need fixing.
as for a diverse party with young vibrant minds? that is very possible, but the younger generation have to get more vocal and active if they expect ah brighter future.
the ppl of TNT need tuh put in SOME SERIOUS WORK!! nothing is worth having if yuh not willing tuh put in a lot of work! every body sitting down expecting other tuh make them safe and secure. allyuh think america became ah great nation just so??
american ppl endured extreme cold, extreme suffering, and heavy loss of life tuh get where they are today. our ppl need tuh step out that old laid back mold and do the same, and start being more active, instead of waiting for ah messiah.
if trinidadians stand up and stop being so complaisant, things will fall into place. after all, if we could party together then we could form the party that i described.
BTW, the PNM is ah very diverse party, there's ah little of every race in that party, and has always been. so don't say that manning will only chose black ppl, don't let the disdain of manning cause yuh to be unjust.
and another thing, the PNM iz surely the lesser of the two evils. i don't trust racist politics! it's ah recipe for ethnic unrest/cleansing.
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1033 General / General Discussion / Re: GENERAL ELECTIONS COMING SOON IN 2010 !
on: April 14, 2010, 03:18:02 PM
Quote from: just cool
Stueeppssssss!! most ah dem UNC members racist no arse! next ting yuh will tell meh iz suruj rambachan is not ah racist either??!!
that's why i can't support that party, its truly the ULF in disguise! and we all knew the ULF was the indain labor party off shoot of the (RACIST) democratic labor party founded by capeldeo and co.
i could never forget how they divided the country along racial lines under the UNC's leadership, and iz them ppl allyuh want tuh rule allyuh again??
i know patrick STAR is ah big dumb toad, but @ least allyuh know what allyuh getting. but how allyuh know for sure that this make shift party capable of delivering the goods?
good luck to allyuh yes, iz ah good thing i have options and not stuck like many Trinbagionians in ah volitile situaion wid ah bunch ah bob tail monkeys runnin the show.
1020 General / General Discussion / Re: GENERAL ELECTIONS COMING SOON IN 2010 !
on: April 15, 2010, 12:14:09 AM
TI, if my memory serves me right, you support this majority hindu party, and yuh defend them most of the times. now if this hindu religion is an exclusive thing, why the hell they want tuh run ah country of 1.3 mil with a hindu population of 20%.
i hate the UNC bro, and ah hate them BC they're a party laden with racist ppl, and nothing would change my perception of them except total reform! i really wish the UNC wins this election, just tuh see what the fack they would do different from the PNM. they cry every day bout crime, lets see what kinda difference they can bring about.
Breds, yuh hit the nail on the fackin head!!! these ppl are so fixated on domestic inefficiency that every thing else that is vital to ah nation economic survival has been ignored.
hence the reason i told ppl that the UNC will not improve the standard of living in the long run! no talk of foreign policy, no economic growth strategy, no projection or future ambitions of having a sustained income( out side of the petroleum industry). just no vision whatsoever!
as ridiculous as it may seem, i tend to like the 2020 vision that the PNM is championing. so far the UNC did not deliver any solution to combating pressing domestic issues, which the PNM truly spaced on.
i think this whole udecott scandal should be put to bed already, to me , the over spending and the increasing crime situation is the UNC's only trump cards, again, all domestic issues! and we need to move beyond that, we should be thinking futuristic.
Whether yuh believe it or not, the PNM is not ah black ppl party, but rather a ppl's party. PNM always had diversity and still do! PNM represents the ppl of TNT better than any other political party to date.
i will admit that NJAC on the other hand is a african oriented party, though less racist than the UNC, but still black oriented, and the ppl of TNT never voted them in, and rightfully so! so why do we vote in ah bunch of indians ? who mind you have no respect for the ppl of trinidad and tobago by picking ah mostly indian cabinet.
that is ah big slap in the face to the ppl of a country with so much diversity! i say fack the UNC, let them run for elections in guyana or bombay!!
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Seems like you lookin for ah confrontation or what bro?? you're clearly not aware of this man's political affiliation, while i know for a fact he's ah PNM till he ded! that's why i made the reply, BC just like the republican diehards, he won't be patient and wait for positive results or give credit where it's due, rather on the contrary, it's criticism after criticism just after 7 months.
every body's entitled to their opinion, yes, but why must i only listen, especially over a period of months and not be able to say how fackin annoying it really is. whether the ppl have ah solid plan or not, @ least give them ah chance to produce, after all, i don't think anyone could be worst than the fackin former administration. and seven months is not enough to make ah proper analysis.
I looking for a confrontation when you's de one rush een wild wild 'confronting' man over dey opinion? A.B. Trini's political affiliation is not my concern, and frankly his post was politically neutral... if anything it was full of praise for the both Gibbs and the PM. Maybe in yuh haste tuh come lambaste him fuh he PNM loyalties yuh overlook that part. De man praise the government for finally getting around to addressing the crime situation, you come in with yuh blood near yuh skin... but I'z de one looking fuh confrontation, lol. Anyways, ah see brownsugar and dem done sort yuh out so no need fuh me to say more.
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Seems like you lookin for ah confrontation or what bro?? you're clearly not aware of this man's political affiliation, while i know for a fact he's ah PNM till he ded! that's why i made the reply, BC just like the republican diehards, he won't be patient and wait for positive results or give credit where it's due, rather on the contrary, it's criticism after criticism just after 7 months.
every body's entitled to their opinion, yes, but why must i only listen, especially over a period of months and not be able to say how fackin annoying it really is. whether the ppl have ah solid plan or not, @ least give them ah chance to produce, after all, i don't think anyone could be worst than the fackin former administration. and seven months is not enough to make ah proper analysis.
I looking for a confrontation when you's de one rush een wild wild 'confronting' man over dey opinion? A.B. Trini's political affiliation is not my concern, and frankly his post was politically neutral... if anything it was full of praise for the both Gibbs and the PM. Maybe in yuh haste tuh come lambaste him fuh he PNM loyalties yuh overlook that part. De man praise the government for finally getting around to addressing the crime situation, you come in with yuh blood near yuh skin... but I'z de one looking fuh confrontation, lol. Anyways, ah see brownsugar and dem done sort yuh out so no need fuh me to say more.
Since when ABtrini needs representation?? the last i check the fella is no verbal handicap, so let him address me! i suprised to see you drinkin bush for ppl fever! i sure AB could handle he own stories without ah mouth piece.
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1070 General / General Discussion / Re: GENERAL ELECTIONS COMING SOON IN 2010 ! on: April 03, 2010, 05:23:56 AM
Quote from: just cool on April 02, 2010, 03:15:17 AM
i rather see ah whole new party that truly represents the faces of TNT, not no damn indian party or no african party, but ah party of all the ppls of TNT, with young vibrant minds and new ideas!
and when will this happen ? kamla just released her names for candidates of constituencies and I see mostly indians. i expect to see mostly black people too when Manning release his names later this weeks...the type of party you talking bout may have to evolve by itself and wont be PNM or UNC. maybe it will happen but not this generation
So let me get this straight. yuh don't want manning BC of what ever reason, then yuh say kamla on the same indian head as panday, now yuh tellin meh how we may never see ah party of many colours with young vibrant minds tuh run the place, so wait, it sounds like there's no sane choices, so why even bother tuh get involved wid the politics?
ah will tell yuh what, if kamla wins this election, she will not be able to fix the crime situation, unless she's brave enough to change the constitution and amend the old law on the books and bring new laws in favor of the state.
the problem is not that the government DON'T want tuh fix the crime situation, the fact is they can't, and they would never be able tuh fix it if they don't fix the criminal laws!
to many criminals on the streets, and the system can't seem tuh put them away in order to inact change! the criminal laws in TNT has too many loop holes.it's seriously flawed and need fixing.
as for a diverse party with young vibrant minds? that is very possible, but the younger generation have to get more vocal and active if they expect ah brighter future.
the ppl of TNT need tuh put in SOME SERIOUS WORK!! nothing is worth having if yuh not willing tuh put in a lot of work! every body sitting down expecting other tuh make them safe and secure. allyuh think america became ah great nation just so??
american ppl endured extreme cold, extreme suffering, and heavy loss of life tuh get where they are today. our ppl need tuh step out that old laid back mold and do the same, and start being more active, instead of waiting for ah messiah.
if trinidadians stand up and stop being so complaisant, things will fall into place. after all, if we could party together then we could form the party that i described.
BTW, the PNM is ah very diverse party, there's ah little of every race in that party, and has always been. so don't say that manning will only chose black ppl, don't let the disdain of manning cause yuh to be unjust.
and another thing, the PNM iz surely the lesser of the two evils. i don't trust racist politics! it's ah recipe for ethnic unrest/cleansing.
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1033 General / General Discussion / Re: GENERAL ELECTIONS COMING SOON IN 2010 !
on: April 14, 2010, 03:18:02 PM
Quote from: just cool
Stueeppssssss!! most ah dem UNC members racist no arse! next ting yuh will tell meh iz suruj rambachan is not ah racist either??!!
that's why i can't support that party, its truly the ULF in disguise! and we all knew the ULF was the indain labor party off shoot of the (RACIST) democratic labor party founded by capeldeo and co.
i could never forget how they divided the country along racial lines under the UNC's leadership, and iz them ppl allyuh want tuh rule allyuh again??
i know patrick STAR is ah big dumb toad, but @ least allyuh know what allyuh getting. but how allyuh know for sure that this make shift party capable of delivering the goods?
good luck to allyuh yes, iz ah good thing i have options and not stuck like many Trinbagionians in ah volitile situaion wid ah bunch ah bob tail monkeys runnin the show.
1020 General / General Discussion / Re: GENERAL ELECTIONS COMING SOON IN 2010 !
on: April 15, 2010, 12:14:09 AM
TI, if my memory serves me right, you support this majority hindu party, and yuh defend them most of the times. now if this hindu religion is an exclusive thing, why the hell they want tuh run ah country of 1.3 mil with a hindu population of 20%.
i hate the UNC bro, and ah hate them BC they're a party laden with racist ppl, and nothing would change my perception of them except total reform! i really wish the UNC wins this election, just tuh see what the fack they would do different from the PNM. they cry every day bout crime, lets see what kinda difference they can bring about.
Breds, yuh hit the nail on the fackin head!!! these ppl are so fixated on domestic inefficiency that every thing else that is vital to ah nation economic survival has been ignored.
hence the reason i told ppl that the UNC will not improve the standard of living in the long run! no talk of foreign policy, no economic growth strategy, no projection or future ambitions of having a sustained income( out side of the petroleum industry). just no vision whatsoever!
as ridiculous as it may seem, i tend to like the 2020 vision that the PNM is championing. so far the UNC did not deliver any solution to combating pressing domestic issues, which the PNM truly spaced on.
i think this whole udecott scandal should be put to bed already, to me , the over spending and the increasing crime situation is the UNC's only trump cards, again, all domestic issues! and we need to move beyond that, we should be thinking futuristic.
Whether yuh believe it or not, the PNM is not ah black ppl party, but rather a ppl's party. PNM always had diversity and still do! PNM represents the ppl of TNT better than any other political party to date.
i will admit that NJAC on the other hand is a african oriented party, though less racist than the UNC, but still black oriented, and the ppl of TNT never voted them in, and rightfully so! so why do we vote in ah bunch of indians ? who mind you have no respect for the ppl of trinidad and tobago by picking ah mostly indian cabinet.
that is ah big slap in the face to the ppl of a country with so much diversity! i say fack the UNC, let them run for elections in guyana or bombay!!
Breds, there was no secret in the way i feel about the UNC, every body knew how much i hated them! and if they remained the UNC i woulda held my ground, but when they incorporated ppl that i respect into the party i gave them a chance.
only fools stick to ideas whole heartedly without embracing any kind of positive change. i had the opportunity before the election to speak to a few friends who are @ present members of the ppl's partnership and they convinced me to give them a chance.
that's life TC, it revolves and move, and some times ppl have tuh move with it or get left behind.
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Seems like you lookin for ah confrontation or what bro?? you're clearly not aware of this man's political affiliation, while i know for a fact he's ah PNM till he ded! that's why i made the reply, BC just like the republican diehards, he won't be patient and wait for positive results or give credit where it's due, rather on the contrary, it's criticism after criticism just after 7 months.
every body's entitled to their opinion, yes, but why must i only listen, especially over a period of months and not be able to say how fackin annoying it really is. whether the ppl have ah solid plan or not, @ least give them ah chance to produce, after all, i don't think anyone could be worst than the fackin former administration. and seven months is not enough to make ah proper analysis.
I looking for a confrontation when you's de one rush een wild wild 'confronting' man over dey opinion? A.B. Trini's political affiliation is not my concern, and frankly his post was politically neutral... if anything it was full of praise for the both Gibbs and the PM. Maybe in yuh haste tuh come lambaste him fuh he PNM loyalties yuh overlook that part. De man praise the government for finally getting around to addressing the crime situation, you come in with yuh blood near yuh skin... but I'z de one looking fuh confrontation, lol. Anyways, ah see brownsugar and dem done sort yuh out so no need fuh me to say more.
Since when ABtrini needs representation?? the last i check the fella is no verbal handicap, so let him address me! i suprised to see you drinkin bush for ppl fever! i sure AB could handle he own stories without ah mouth piece.
jc, bake n' shark is a fully licensed "internet" lawyer and full-time real-life typist. dis here is de boy livelihood oui.
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whether the ppl have ah solid plan or not, @ least give them ah chance to produce, after all, i don't think anyone could be worst than the fackin former administration. and seven months is not enough to make ah proper analysis.
Yuh see right dey, dais whey yuh argument fall down. Cuz they did have a plan......yuh want mih to pull out the manifesto for you??....ah sure we find a few Youtube videos where dey professed to have de answers. In fact, the COP was the ones that had the plan. Ask Gary Griffith. Dey had a 120 day plan. Yuh know how long we pass 120 days?? But nah, dem gone down by Gibbs to ask he for he plan. Steups!! So if dem could ask him, who is A.B Trini and de rest ah we who asking??
Wheel and come again cuz yuh cyar be serious with this particular statement.....
Bowled short and slow, met by a powerful straight drive over the boundary for 6 .
I'm afraid not!! but rather, a no ball! sometimes in order to get the nod you have to be convincing. every politician says and promises things they fail to deliver on time, or deliver @ all, especially in the develop world.
reagan did it , bush the father and the son did it, hell, even clinton did it, so who is the PP. the fact remains, true change takes time, and yes it was immoral of them to promise and not deliver on schedule, but the fact remains, the former administration gave a minimal effort on crime prevention and paid very little attention to the justice system in order to keep undesirables off the streets.
all i'm saying is 7 months is no time @ all to clean up an 8 yr old mess! that's like asking obama to revitalize the economy to it's former state pre bush era, after two yrs in office. how utterly unfair is that??
i don't know bout you, but i rather see a genuine effort rather than ppl just laying back hoping that the problem solved itself.
IMO this change was necessary, if not for anything else, then @ least for the PNM to take the ppl seriously, and i think it was ah damn strong message the ppl sent to the country's leaders, that there no mo political affinity, we want results or we swinging!
breds lets get real, manning and the PNM didn't care bout the ppl, and if you was willin to give the PNM a chance, then the least you could do is give the pp ah half of chance. that's only fair!
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Mr. just cool, The trouble is not just the time factor, but the FACT that there has never been a plan in place from the start, despite their utterances on the hustings and the proclamations of their manifesto.
The promise was that there would be a remarkable change in the rate of violent crime, and now what?
Instea of articulating what will be done, they approach a foreigner who was just hired to supervise the police force, and asked what is his plan!
There is no excuse for this and their is no reason to cast blame on the PNM as they did a lot to try and solve the crime problem.
If, as you are asserting the PNM did nothing to deal with the crime problem, why did the Minister of National Security say he was going to go ahead and use THE PNM CRIME PLAN?
Why did he want to hire the last man to hold his job, Martin Joseph as his personal ad visor?
If the last government was as inept at dealing with the crime issue, why keep their initiatives?
The PP government held up several key pieces of legislature, even those they had previously introduced when they were in opposition, yet you expect this lot to hold the answers to crime problems?
The truth is this bunch is clueless, more so than the PNM
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whether the ppl have ah solid plan or not, @ least give them ah chance to produce, after all, i don't think anyone could be worst than the fackin former administration. and seven months is not enough to make ah proper analysis.
Yuh see right dey, dais whey yuh argument fall down. Cuz they did have a plan......yuh want mih to pull out the manifesto for you??....ah sure we find a few Youtube videos where dey professed to have de answers. In fact, the COP was the ones that had the plan. Ask Gary Griffith. Dey had a 120 day plan. Yuh know how long we pass 120 days?? But nah, dem gone down by Gibbs to ask he for he plan. Steups!! So if dem could ask him, who is A.B Trini and de rest ah we who asking??
Wheel and come again cuz yuh cyar be serious with this particular statement.....
Bowled short and slow, met by a powerful straight drive over the boundary for 6 .
I'm afraid not!! but rather, a no ball! sometimes in order to get the nod you have to be convincing. every politician says and promises things they fail to deliver on time, or deliver @ all, especially in the develop world.
reagan did it , bush the father and the son did it, hell, even clinton did it, so who is the PP. the fact remains, true change takes time, and yes it was immoral of them to promise and not deliver on schedule, but the fact remains, the former administration gave a minimal effort on crime prevention and paid very little attention to the justice system in order to keep undesirables off the streets.
all i'm saying is 7 months is no time @ all to clean up an 8 yr old mess! that's like asking obama to revitalize the economy to it's former state pre bush era, after two yrs in office. how utterly unfair is that??
i don't know bout you, but i rather see a genuine effort rather than ppl just laying back hoping that the problem solved itself.
IMO this change was necessary, if not for anything else, then @ least for the PNM to take the ppl seriously, and i think it was ah damn strong message the ppl sent to the country's leaders, that there no mo political affinity, we want results or we swinging!
breds lets get real, manning and the PNM didn't care bout the ppl, and if you was willin to give the PNM a chance, then the least you could do is give the pp ah half of chance. that's only fair!
Brownsugar's point is a strong one. That's what I was trying to emphasize.
On the issue of the Government not being given a chance I would like strongly disagree with you. This government has not faced the same kind of scrutiny that the last faced. Martin Joseph at one time admitted that the problems were real and asked the media to continue doing the jobs by highlighting the pervasiveness of the scourge. The last government rightly received a firestorm of criticism for the crime rate.
This government came to office with promises of restoring confidence in governance , accountability and improvement of security. Eight months have passed and there literally has been no change in the national security strategy. I think the criticism that is surfacing now is not just due to the virtually identical crime rate but to the fact that there hasn't been a substantial visible attempt to shift gears, change tactics or formulate a new strategy at all. The public wants to know whats going on and if whatever the Government and the Police are doing will help the situation.
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whether the ppl have ah solid plan or not, @ least give them ah chance to produce, after all, i don't think anyone could be worst than the fackin former administration. and seven months is not enough to make ah proper analysis.
Yuh see right dey, dais whey yuh argument fall down. Cuz they did have a plan......yuh want mih to pull out the manifesto for you??....ah sure we find a few Youtube videos where dey professed to have de answers. In fact, the COP was the ones that had the plan. Ask Gary Griffith. Dey had a 120 day plan. Yuh know how long we pass 120 days?? But nah, dem gone down by Gibbs to ask he for he plan. Steups!! So if dem could ask him, who is A.B Trini and de rest ah we who asking??
Wheel and come again cuz yuh cyar be serious with this particular statement.....
Bowled short and slow, met by a powerful straight drive over the boundary for 6 .
I'm afraid not!! but rather, a no ball! sometimes in order to get the nod you have to be convincing. every politician says and promises things they fail to deliver on time, or deliver @ all, especially in the develop world.
reagan did it , bush the father and the son did it, hell, even clinton did it, so who is the PP. the fact remains, true change takes time, and yes it was immoral of them to promise and not deliver on schedule, but the fact remains, the former administration gave a minimal effort on crime prevention and paid very little attention to the justice system in order to keep undesirables off the streets.
all i'm saying is 7 months is no time @ all to clean up an 8 yr old mess! that's like asking obama to revitalize the economy to it's former state pre bush era, after two yrs in office. how utterly unfair is that??
i don't know bout you, but i rather see a genuine effort rather than ppl just laying back hoping that the problem solved itself.
IMO this change was necessary, if not for anything else, then @ least for the PNM to take the ppl seriously, and i think it was ah damn strong message the ppl sent to the country's leaders, that there no mo political affinity, we want results or we swinging!
breds lets get real, manning and the PNM didn't care bout the ppl, and if you was willin to give the PNM a chance, then the least you could do is give the pp ah half of chance. that's only fair!
Brownsugar's point is a strong one. That's what I was trying to emphasize.
On the issue of the Government not being given a chance I would like strongly disagree with you. This government has not faced the same kind of scrutiny that the last faced. Martin Joseph at one time admitted that the problems were real and asked the media to continue doing the jobs by highlighting the pervasiveness of the scourge. The last government rightly received a firestorm of criticism for the crime rate.
This government came to office with promises of restoring confidence in governance , accountability and improvement of security. Eight months have passed and there literally has been no change in the national security strategy. I think the criticism that is surfacing now is not just due to the virtually identical crime rate but to the fact that there hasn't been a substantial visible attempt to shift gears, change tactics or formulate a new strategy at all. The public wants to know whats going on and if whatever the Government and the Police are doing will help the situation.
I still say it's way too early to conclude on this fairly "NEW" GOVERNMENT!! despite all the failed promises, i still say give it time, and time will tell all. this thing took over 15 yrs to ferment, don't expect no quick fixes regardless of whatever promises they with time constraints. be patient and stop playing politic.
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whether the ppl have ah solid plan or not, @ least give them ah chance to produce, after all, i don't think anyone could be worst than the fackin former administration. and seven months is not enough to make ah proper analysis.
Yuh see right dey, dais whey yuh argument fall down. Cuz they did have a plan......yuh want mih to pull out the manifesto for you??....ah sure we find a few Youtube videos where dey professed to have de answers. In fact, the COP was the ones that had the plan. Ask Gary Griffith. Dey had a 120 day plan. Yuh know how long we pass 120 days?? But nah, dem gone down by Gibbs to ask he for he plan. Steups!! So if dem could ask him, who is A.B Trini and de rest ah we who asking??
Wheel and come again cuz yuh cyar be serious with this particular statement.....
Bowled short and slow, met by a powerful straight drive over the boundary for 6 .
I'm afraid not!! but rather, a no ball! sometimes in order to get the nod you have to be convincing. every politician says and promises things they fail to deliver on time, or deliver @ all, especially in the develop world.
reagan did it , bush the father and the son did it, hell, even clinton did it, so who is the PP. the fact remains, true change takes time, and yes it was immoral of them to promise and not deliver on schedule, but the fact remains, the former administration gave a minimal effort on crime prevention and paid very little attention to the justice system in order to keep undesirables off the streets.
all i'm saying is 7 months is no time @ all to clean up an 8 yr old mess! that's like asking obama to revitalize the economy to it's former state pre bush era, after two yrs in office. how utterly unfair is that??
i don't know bout you, but i rather see a genuine effort rather than ppl just laying back hoping that the problem solved itself.
IMO this change was necessary, if not for anything else, then @ least for the PNM to take the ppl seriously, and i think it was ah damn strong message the ppl sent to the country's leaders, that there no mo political affinity, we want results or we swinging!
breds lets get real, manning and the PNM didn't care bout the ppl, and if you was willin to give the PNM a chance, then the least you could do is give the pp ah half of chance. that's only fair!
Brownsugar's point is a strong one. That's what I was trying to emphasize.
On the issue of the Government not being given a chance I would like strongly disagree with you. This government has not faced the same kind of scrutiny that the last faced. Martin Joseph at one time admitted that the problems were real and asked the media to continue doing the jobs by highlighting the pervasiveness of the scourge. The last government rightly received a firestorm of criticism for the crime rate.
This government came to office with promises of restoring confidence in governance , accountability and improvement of security. Eight months have passed and there literally has been no change in the national security strategy. I think the criticism that is surfacing now is not just due to the virtually identical crime rate but to the fact that there hasn't been a substantial visible attempt to shift gears, change tactics or formulate a new strategy at all. The public wants to know whats going on and if whatever the Government and the Police are doing will help the situation.
I still say it's way too early to conclude on this fairly "NEW" GOVERNMENT!! despite all the failed promises, i still say give it time, and time will tell all. this thing took over 15 yrs to ferment, don't expect no quick fixes regardless of whatever promises they with time constraints. be patient and stop playing politic.
With all the disagreement let me say that I support the government and police 100% in efforts to address the crime situation. I live in Trinidad and would like to see consumer confidence and quality of life improve. Let me also say that the government's initiatives outside of faulty legislation have been non-existent.
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Since when ABtrini needs representation?? the last i check the fella is no verbal handicap, so let him address me! i suprised to see you drinkin bush for ppl fever! i sure AB could handle he own stories without ah mouth piece.
Stop being ah ass... since when does A.B. Trini need your permission to voice his opinion? Just like you saw something posted that evoked a response from you, same way I see something and responded to it, nothing more, nothing less.
jc, bake n' shark is a fully licensed "internet" lawyer and full-time real-life typist. dis here is de boy livelihood oui.
It does bun yuh eh?
You like Tarzan... only swinging from man nutsicles.
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Mr. just cool, The trouble is not just the time factor, but the FACT that there has never been a plan in place from the start, despite their utterances on the hustings and the proclamations of their manifesto.
The promise was that there would be a remarkable change in the rate of violent crime, and now what?
Instea of articulating what will be done, they approach a foreigner who was just hired to supervise the police force, and asked what is his plan!
There is no excuse for this and their is no reason to cast blame on the PNM as they did a lot to try and solve the crime problem.
If, as you are asserting the PNM did nothing to deal with the crime problem, why did the Minister of National Security say he was going to go ahead and use THE PNM CRIME PLAN?
Why did he want to hire the last man to hold his job, Martin Joseph as his personal ad visor?
If the last government was as inept at dealing with the crime issue, why keep their initiatives?
The PP government held up several key pieces of legislature, even those they had previously introduced when they were in opposition, yet you expect this lot to hold the answers to crime problems?
The truth is this bunch is clueless, more so than the PNM
Ball lost.
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I still say it's way too early to conclude on this fairly "NEW" GOVERNMENT!! despite all the failed promises, i still say give it time, and time will tell all. this thing took over 15 yrs to ferment, don't expect no quick fixes regardless of whatever promises they with time constraints. be patient and stop playing politic.
Man take he time and break it down fuh yuh and still de haze hanging over yuh eyes obscuring de simplicity ah de message...
They claim they have a plan... different from PNM (in de manifesto)
They get in power and promptly scrap de manifesto... "misprint" and thing nah.
They den bawl they go use de PNM plan and PNM administrators... wait, ah tort neither was any good?
Now they turn to de CoP and ask him fuh he 'plan'... he turn 'rung... "what plan... yuh mean allyuh doh have one arready?"
Dem is guvament... he's law enforcement. Dem get elected in hopes that somebody will reach Piarco wid ah plan?
...arrite boss, is more time yuh say... so more time we go gih dem. Not like we have ah choice.
Watch de ride.
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Aye Just Cool, Vernon De Lima (Vice Chairman of the COP) now say on de radio that he find the government eh doing nutten about implementing the crime plan that they COP have and campaigned on. He about to read out some from their (the COP's) manifesto on Power 102.
You still find we should give them more time?? Steups!!! ::) ::)
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Aye Just Cool, Vernon De Lima (Vice Chairman of the COP) now say on de radio that he find the government eh doing nutten about implementing the crime plan that they COP have and campaigned on. He about to read out some from their (the COP's) manifesto on Power 102.
You still find we should give them more time?? Steups!!! ::) ::)
thanks,
now putting it on
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Gunmen attack California home…
Sleeping man, son slain
Published: Sat, 2011-01-08 19:40
Radhica Sookraj
The house in which Shomari Lewis, 4, and his father Sheldon were killed. PHOTO: RISHI RAGOONATH Gunmen shot and killed a four-year-old boy and his father as they slept at their home in California, central Trinidad, early yesterday morning. Police said four-year-old Shomari Lewis and his father Sheldon were riddled with bullets as the gunmen fired from automatic weapons just after midnight Thursday. The incident happened at the family’s home at Dow Village, California trainline, in central Trinidad. It caused panic among residents. The boy’s mother Folomi was shot in the left foot.
Shomari was shot in the head and back, while Lewis was shot in the head. The couple’s other children—Safiya, ten, Shakeela, nine; Shirshara, seven; Shakaya, five; and one-year-old baby Shomarli—escaped injuries. The police said the incident might have stemmed from a deal gone sour. The horror first started at the home of Lewis’ brother Damion, who lives within walking distance from the Lewis’ residence. Damion was asleep with his common-law wife Kimberly Andrews and their two children—Aisha, aged three, and one-year-old Jahyouth—when the gunmen came and began firing indiscriminately.
They removed several louvre panes so that the bullets could be fired directly inside the house. The men walked through a muddy track and then fired on the house occupied by Lewis’ neighbours, Laurence Jagan and Junior Ramroop. Both men were saved as the bullets struck a television set. The gunmen then unleashed gunfire at Lewis’ home. In an interview, Folomi said she and her family were all awake when they were attacked.
She said: “When I heard the first set of shots, I tell my husband ‘Baby, you hearing shots?’ But he say it was not shots. He turned to go back to sleep and then we heard more shots closer.” Folomi said she grabbed her two children Shomari and Shomarli as she heard the gunmen coming up the stairs. “Then I saw the muzzle of the gun coming through a hole in the wall. I grabbed my two children and dive under the bed,” she recalled.
The gunmen fired more than a dozen bullets into the house. When the gunfire ceased, Folomi said she felt blood running down her hands. She said: “When I light the light,I see my child dead. My son was not breathing. All I could see was blood. I called my husband and he did not answer. When I looked at him his eyes were open. The other children were crying.” She said Shomari was sleeping at the foot of his father’s bed when the bullets began ringing out.
“He liked to sleep there…He didn’t like to sleep with his sister,” Folomi said. She said Shomari attended the Haniffa Aziz Nursery School. Shomari’s classmates were not told of his death. His teacher, Eon Glasgow, however, took time off to deal with the tragedy. Neighbours expressed shock over the deaths, saying the gunmen had no regard for human life. Investigations are continuing.
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Democracy, finally, rests on a higher power than Parliament. It rests on an informed and cultivated and alert public opinion. The Members of Parliament are only representatives of the citizens. They cannot represent apathy and indifference. They can play the part allotted to them only if they represent intelligence and public spiritness.
http://www.nalis.gov.tt/Independence/IndepSpeech.htm
Dr. Eric Eustace Williams, Speech, First day of Trinidad and Tobago's independence from Great Britain., August 31, 1962
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Better Police Service by March
By Stories by Akile Simon
FROM AS early as March of this year, a major transformation initiative is expected to take hold of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service (TTPS) geared at restoring public confidence and taking policing into the 21st century.
The pilot project, which would be initiated within the Western Division out of the West End Model Police Station in Diego Martin, will focus on a different model in which police officers will deliver their policing services to the public...Continue ..http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Better_Police_Service_by_March-113146604.html
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Better Police Service by March
By Stories by Akile Simon
FROM AS early as March of this year, a major transformation initiative is expected to take hold of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service (TTPS) geared at restoring public confidence and taking policing into the 21st century.
The pilot project, which would be initiated within the Western Division out of the West End Model Police Station in Diego Martin, will focus on a different model in which police officers will deliver their policing services to the public...Continue ..http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Better_Police_Service_by_March-113146604.html
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Once more, this is very encouraging and positive. This constitutes a paradigm shift in how things are planned for policing in Trinidad and Tobago. As with some leaders in their position, beginning with changes like these are really level one changes, structural alterations, visible changes that are evident by the public could lead to the desired change of the mind set of many. Let's pray and hope for the best.
At times, it is also appropriate to change behaviors in how things are going to be done and then hope that people will have an attitude change about they see things and approach the job and policing. Very very optimistic by the the sharing of these initiatives. Understandably details crime prevention plans are not always on a need to know for the public so as to not compromise security but these reassurances of changes are encouraging.
As I have said before, having family and my mother still residing at home, I am in full support for changes that would lead to effective policing and a reduction in criminal activities and one that would provide greater ease for the personal safety of all.
I am reminded of our Right Honourable Prime Minister, speech which I read on the Express Jan. 01( or there about) when she reminded the public that changes will be coming and that from her ministries will come less talk and more action! I for one, am looking forward to a safer, happier and more peaceful Trinidad.
Cheers
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while the PP was feteing in Rienzi this is what was happening on the streets yesterday.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/ENT-BREAKING-NEWS/134447103244893
plus 4 more murders yesterday
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Accountability...re-assessment time of the ummmm cough....plan? oh beg yuh pardon how long it's been? oh we need more time. ok and what are the numbers in the murder rate so far? How many more months until the year end at this rate where would we be?
Time tuh put some forceful measures in place.ALL OUT CURFEWS all out check stops.....more joint lockdowns in communities . bring out army, police, coast guards, security forces.
I eh hearing no rhetoric from the office of the commissioners lately..... what happen to all the encouraging talk? every day yuh read in the papers is the same ole same ole....TIME TO STOP this nonsense.
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When are hear the words plan from REPRESENTATIVES OF this government ah does get excited to see what mammoth changes in direction is amidst compared to the previous government. like everyone else, I looking, hoping and am desirous of new changes as promised. So obviously when I read about the following:
" Gibbs said security measures for this year’s festival will be in keeping with the plans implemented in 2009 during the Fifth Summit of the Americas and the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting."
So are the upcoming plans similar to ...same as..... or still am the ones that were in place from the previous government? Who was in power again? and they using whose plans? So the more things change, the more they stay the same? ummmm.......
Chalkdust: yuh eh wrong " wounded Pride" alive and well and Cro Cro .........let them know that the ills of the past could be avoided if people open their eyes wide shut.
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babalawo is that the famed buffalypso in your signature? ???
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One man is not an island.......... there is more to this job that meets the eye. Chalkdust sing yuh song!!!!
We cyar run ah police force.
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Aye, aye ah didn't even realise March reach and Gibbs still here!! Well, well he make six months. Dat nice. But ah feel after dis one he gone for sure. Ah just hear on TV 6 dat he closing de police canteen :o :o. Of course the Police Association done reading de riot act to he......for the forumites who in de know, besides alcohol Police does get food stuff from the canteen too?? And is de canteen enshrined in the Police Service Act?? Dais what Ramesar say (Association head).....
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free food and booze??
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Aye, aye ah didn't even realise March reach and Gibbs still here!! Well, well he make six months. Dat nice. But ah feel after dis one he gone for sure. Ah just hear on TV 6 dat he closing de police canteen :o :o. Of course the Police Association done reading de riot act to he......for the forumites who in de know, besides alcohol Police does get food stuff from the canteen too?? And is de canteen enshrined in the Police Service Act?? Dais what Ramesar say (Association head).....
Well I will give him a BIG HUG if he close dat down. A report cyah remember it now over 2 decades ago say dat should close down. Dat those only put police in debt. They does do something call flogging. They go 2 d canteen buy goods and then sell it cheap 4 cash.
He also need 2 stop people from goin by d Money Lender Phillip. U borrow 100 and have 2 pay back 125. Dey call him d IMF.
So when he said new police service by March closing down d canteen iz what was meant?
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Ok Weary,thanks for de info.....ah figure is something good he doing cuz all I does hear bout de canteen is free alcohol. Didn't know dey does get free/cheap food too....but like ah say, de Association done kicking up a fuss already.....steups!!! dem does really make hard for de public to support dem yes and is another example of why we eh going nowhere as a people.....
free food and booze??
Yeah boy Dutty....imagine!!!!...
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Ok Weary,thanks for de info.....ah figure is something good he doing cuz all I does hear bout de canteen is free alcohol. Didn't know dey does get free/cheap food too....but like ah say, de Association done kicking up a fuss already.....steups!!! dem does really make hard for de public to support dem yes and is another example of why we eh going nowhere as a people.....
free food and booze??
Yeah boy Dutty....imagine!!!!...
It eh free but it cheap and d canteen is a savings plan. When u retire u get back a % of what u spend. But u know we in TNT does spoil vomit.Is d Odow Report that say close it down. U know we does pay people 4 dey opinionand then do d opposite.
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So TV 6 follow up on de story and check Gibbs and he say (in a Canadian accent) "yeah man we closing de blasted thing. Dat thing have a debt of $1 million and even if we liquidate the stock it cyar pay off de debt. It closing by June".
So de Police Assoc head reiterate, "we eh backing down on dis one nah. he Gibbs want to come here and play he eh understand de culture and want to mash up a good ting.....we going down fighting on dis one.....let he doh play up in he bleeeeeppppp!!!"......
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So TV 6 follow up on de story and check Gibbs and he say (in a Canadian accent) "yeah man we closing de blasted thing. Dat thing have a debt of $1 million and even if we liquidate the stock it cyar pay off de debt. It closing by June".
So de Police Assoc head reiterate, "we eh backing down on dis one nah. he Gibbs want to come here and play he eh understand de culture and want to mash up a good ting.....we going down fighting on dis one.....let he doh play up in he bleeeeeppppp!!!"......
I in d Canuks corner in this 1
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So after all three decades of canteen running, it now in debt to the tune of 1 million dollars. Gibbs and Ewatski taking 3 million tt between them a year but them bending off the canteen. I'm sure "Jethero" and Ewatski getting food allowance along with their salary..So much things to fix with the police yet a canteen getting priority...STEUPSS..!!!
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So after all three decades of canteen running, it now in debt to the tune of 1 million dollars. Gibbs and Ewatski taking 3 million tt between them a year but them bending off the canteen. I'm sure "Jethero" and Ewatski getting food allowance along with their salary..So much things to fix with the police yet a canteen getting priority...STEUPSS..!!!
Well if it go stop police from goin home wit deficit money in d payslip which mean dey less likely 2 act like piper when dey catch a man not wearin he seat belt he fix d amt of corrupt officers on d road.
Not 2 mention is over 20 yrs they say close d ting down it take 2 foreigners to implement a 20 yr recommendation.
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So after all three decades of canteen running, it now in debt to the tune of 1 million dollars. Gibbs and Ewatski taking 3 million tt between them a year but them bending off the canteen. I'm sure "Jethero" and Ewatski getting food allowance along with their salary..So much things to fix with the police yet a canteen getting priority...STEUPSS..!!!
Well if it go stop police from goin home wit deficit money in d payslip which mean dey less likely 2 act like piper when dey catch a man not wearin he seat belt he fix d amt of corrupt officers on d road.
Not 2 mention is over 20 yrs they say close d ting down it take 2 foreigners to implement a 20 yr recommendation.
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Like Chalkdust was right " we cyar even run ah police force"
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So after all three decades of canteen running, it now in debt to the tune of 1 million dollars. Gibbs and Ewatski taking 3 million tt between them a year but them bending off the canteen. I'm sure "Jethero" and Ewatski getting food allowance along with their salary..So much things to fix with the police yet a canteen getting priority...STEUPSS..!!!
Well if it go stop police from goin home wit deficit money in d payslip which mean dey less likely 2 act like piper when dey catch a man not wearin he seat belt he fix d amt of corrupt officers on d road.
Not 2 mention is over 20 yrs they say close d ting down it take 2 foreigners to implement a 20 yr recommendation.
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Like Chalkdust was right " we cyar even run ah police force"
Cue Palos
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Gibbs comes under the gun
Published: Sun, 2011-04-03 19:24
Anika Gumbs-Sandiford
Dwayne Gibbs has come under the gun. And, reliable sources have informed Sunday Guardian that if the Canadian-born does not show he has what it takes to fight crime in T&T in the next six months he may very well be given the boot. Gibbs, who has been on the job for the last six months, has failed to meet the expectation of the public and some members of the Government in the face of rising crime. As a result, he is being closely scrutinised. On the local election campaign trail, Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar had warned that a “specific clause” in Gibbs’ contract allowed him to be terminated if he did not perform.
According to top police officials, the man being eyed for the job if Gibbs’ three-year contract is terminated before time is Deputy Commissioner of Police (DCP) Stephen Williams, who had failed to find favour with the People’s National Movement (PNM) administration. The PNM’s choice was James Philbert, while the United National Congress was in support of Williams. According to reliable legal sources, Gibbs’ dismissal could go into effect if the Police Service Commission (PSC), which is responsible for the appointment of a CoP and DCP, writes a report to the President outlining grounds for his dismissal. The legal source and a senior police official revealed yesterday: “The PSC decides if the CoP performs or not.” The PSC is expected to prepare an annual performance review in six months time. Gibbs, in an earlier interview, also supported his termination if he failed to perform.
He said: “I would hate to think that if I don’t perform...Why would you keep me? Certainly, there are expectations for me to be out here working and I’m fully prepared for that. “I believe in accountability and if I’m not accountable to the people of Trinidad and Tobago for my work, then why would you want to keep me?" Contacted for comment director of the Public Affairs Unit, Sharon Lee-Assang dismissed the report. Warner: I am prepared to give him some more time
Contacted on the issue yesterday, acting Prime Minister Jack Warner said Cabinet had not discussed renewing or terminating Gibbs’ contract. “I can say it was never discussed at Cabinet level. “If members are saying his contract would not be renewed they may have their own individual opinion. I attended Cabinet meetings and I am not aware that was discussed. “One could never be satisfied with one’s performance, one aspires for excellence and the jury is still out. “The Commissioner of Police is still being given the benefit of the doubt but the fact is the public is beginning to ask questions and they are free to do so. In fact, it is their duty to do so. “At this time I am prepared to give him some more time,” Warner said.
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Funny how the COP is the one being pressured and not the Minister of National Security or the Prime Minister.Hmmm, funny.
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Shouldn't directives come from the office of Ministry of Security to the COP with guidelines on how to proceed? Especially having hired a foreign COP?
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Nizam wants to replace him with someone else
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@ Jah Gol and Elan its called scapegoating.....
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@ Jah Gol and Elan its called scapegoating.....
It use 2 b Martin Joseph fault he was d MINISTER EXTRAORDINAIRE. Dis soldier boi is just a Minister so is d COP fault.
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Gibbs: Bring the evidence
By Clint Chan Tack (Newsday)
Tuesday, April 12 2011
POLICE COMMISSIONER Dwayne Gibbs yesterday said investigations will be launched into allegations that police officers have been taking bribes for the allowance of firearm user licences, once “we have something concrete that we can actually look at, that we know we can investigate.”
Gibbs made the statement to reporters during a reception at the Diplomatic Centre in St Ann’s for former US Secretary of State Colin Powell, and his wife, Alma.
“In terms of investigations we will investigate anything that is of a criminal nature. We definitely have to have something that’s specific to investigate. We won’t investigate if its just a broad brush statement, because those statements come out all the time. We will investigate anything specific that comes forward,” the Commissioner stated.
Explaining it was difficult for the police to investigate anything in the realm of “embellished myth,” Gibbs said until clear evidence of any act of wrong-doing is brought to the attention of the Police Service, “we concentrate on the things that we have to do, rather than concentrate on things that are just innuendos.”
Gibbs explained it was important to “weed out” any corrupt elements in the Police Service because this minority reflect badly upon the majority of officers in the Service who are hardworking, dedicated and trying to do the right thing.
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WALKING TALL: Commissioner of Police Dwayne Gibbs (left) and his deputy Jack Ewatski arrive yesterday at the Diplomatic Centre in St Ann's
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I out in de cold too long oui...isnt that pic across the street from holy name convent
that area is St. Anns??!!?
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Like Gibbs out in de "cold" too long too... whey he find dat double-breasted suit? ;D
Nevertheless... a definite upgrade from that ridiculous khaki uniform.
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In TnT man does wear leather coat in February....to party...
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Like Gibbs out in de "cold" too long too... whey he find dat double-breasted suit? ;D
Was thinking the same thing. I think I rock one of those in my form 5 grad lol....
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Like Gibbs out in de "cold" too long too... whey he find dat double-breasted suit? ;D
in troot....de man fit, he must be the same shape he was in 1988
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I out in de cold too long oui...isnt that pic across the street from holy name convent
that area is St. Anns??!!?
Isn't that statue in the background memorial park to the top of Frederick st?
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I out in de cold too long oui...isnt that pic across the street from holy name convent
that area is St. Anns??!!?
Isn't that statue in the background memorial park to the top of Frederick st?
You are both correct. Dey was walking een NAPA which is across the street from Memorial Park at the top of Frederick St......when ah tell all yuh de media reporting bad, bad. I remember ah time they reporting on an accident. Let's say that the vehicle involved was PCD 1234 which could be clearly seen in a photo accompanying the story. But inside de story de say de vehicle is PCS 2365.
Steups!!! Wotlessness!!!....
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Like Gibbs out in de "cold" too long too... whey he find dat double-breasted suit? ;D
Nevertheless... a definite upgrade from that ridiculous khaki uniform.
He does wear the Khaki uniform too. I'm actually surprised he wasn't wearing it in this shot....
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Was thinking the same thing. I think I rock one of those in my form 5 grad lol....
I have one dat ah buy 20 yrs ago... same night that Desert Storm break out ;D I eh wear it in about 10 yrs.
He does wear the Khaki uniform too. I'm actually surprised he wasn't wearing it in this shot....
Yeah ah know he does wear it... dai'z why ah say de suit is ah upgrade. Ah find de shirt and tie and ting does look more distinguished and de khaki thing does reek too much ah colonialism (juss look up de origins). Maybe ah different color uniform with ah shirt and tie might be better.
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I out in de cold too long oui...isnt that pic across the street from holy name convent
that area is St. Anns??!!?
Looks like Memorial Park to me. The probably going to NAPA.
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Dey get ah Extra Duty they goin and provide security 4 d staff who doin all d repairs that was mentioned by Gypsy
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Gibbs must go
By NEWSDAY STAFF
Tuesday, April 19 2011
PRESIDENT OF the Police Service Social and Welfare Association Sgt Anand Ramesar yesterday called on Commissioner of Police (CoP) Dr Dwayne Gibbs to “pack up and go.” He also called on newly appointed Police Service Commission (PSC) chairman Professor Ramesh Deosaran to make his assessment of Gibbs’ tenure as CoP available to association membership.
At a media briefing at the association’s office at Besson Street Police Station in Port-of-Spain, Sgt Ramesar claimed there were “numerous” complaints against Gibbs which, “clearly demonstrates there is a loss of confidence in his leadership.”
Ramesar said he has written several letters to CoP Gibbs on the issue of Special Reserve Police (SRP) officers seeking to be absorbed into the service. Ramesar also claimed that over the past nine months, more than 300 vacancies have not been filled.
“There have been no action by Gibbs to promote these officers. Promotions must take effect and if Gibbs is not ready to act it is time that he do what he said he would do if he does not perform and that is to pack up and leave.”
He also questioned the basis in which officers of the First Division are being promoted and claimed that the association has received several complaints from the said officers.
“We see some of them getting low scores, less than 50 and 40, and being promoted and then others getting 64 and not even being promoted. The chairman of the Promotions Advisory Board Stephen Williams is not dealing with the issue and we are very saddened by it. If we are to grade him he will be graded — Grade Zero,” a tough-talking Ramesar said.
Ramesar even slammed Gibbs’ 21st Century Policing Pilot Project which was launched in Western Division about a month ago and claimed there were numerous complaints against this initiative.
“If he (Gibbs) is only interested in dealing with the Western Division and not the entire country then he should be made Snr Supt of that Division and give the Commissioner position to someone else,” Ramesar said.
Ramesar admitted that members of the association’s executive were yet to meet with Deosaran and added that the association is looking forward to that meeting. “We believe that he (Deosaran) would be able to deal with the issues we are being faced with.”
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PANMAN GIBBS: Police Commissioner Dwayne Gibbs (right) has fun while playing the tenor pan as his wife Dawn (2nd from left) gets some help on how to play the bass pan, at the opening of the Sangre Grande Police Youth Club on Sunday evening. ...Author: RALPH BANWARIE.
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Ramesar beginning to annoy mih.....
The 21st Century Policing initiative only started about 2 weeks ago or so. It was launched in the West as a TEST/MODEL to see if it goh work and if it does it will be rolled out to other areas.
As for the other things, he might know more than me being on de inside but oh geez and ages the man here only 7 months!! What de arse they want??!!
Oh I know, dey still vex about the closing canteen....steups!!! Ah feel ah goh back Kamla on a 5% increase for Police.....dey over doing de blasted thing!!!
Oh wait ah forget, he was supposed to be gone in 6 months so ah guess time up for Gibbs....poor fella....enjoy de pan.....
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Ramesar beginning to annoy mih.....
The 21st Century Policing initiative only started about 2 weeks ago or so. It was launched in the West as a TEST/MODEL to see if it goh work and if it does it will be rolled out to other areas.
As for the other things, he might know more than me being on de inside but oh geez and ages the man here only 7 months!! What de arse they want??!!
Oh I know, dey still vex about the closing canteen....steups!!! Ah feel ah goh back Kamla on a 5% increase for Police.....dey over doing de blasted thing!!!
Oh wait ah forget, he was supposed to be gone in 6 months so ah guess time up for Gibbs....poor fella....enjoy de pan.....
I think Ramesar grandcharging on some legitmate issues. Remember he's still reeling from the Nizam debacle. He must be very vocal about issues the officiers raise to regain confidence in his leadership. He is probably also using discontent with Gibbs as leverage.
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Stephen Williams go make a good COP.....
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TOP COP Dwayne Gibbs yesterday received two thumbs up from Attorney General Anand Ramlogan for his role in managing this country's murder toll.
Minister in the Ministry of National Security Subhas Panday yesterday said statistics have shown that there has been a decline in this country's murder toll, as compared to the same period last year.
Panday said 167 murders were recorded up to May 2 last year, and for the comparative period this year there have been 30 fewer homicides.
According to the Express tally, the murder toll is currently 135, as compared to 173 for the same period last year.
"We feel we are on the right track," Panday said, as he addressed the Senate in the Red House, Port of Spain, yesterday.
Panday referred to several initiatives, including the decision to replace police stations in the Western Division with ten patrolling police cars, as reasons for the decrease in crime.
"This government is working on reducing crime with innovative methods," Panday said.
He said the patrolling police cars will be extended to the other eight police divisions.
Panday made the statements as he contributed to the Anti-Gang Bill in the Senate yesterday.
Ramlogan thanked Gibbs and his executive for their role in reducing the murder toll and getting a handle on crime.
"We can't change what we inherited overnight," Ramlogan said.
However, he described the declining comparative murder toll as a "glimmer of hope" and "a moment for quiet optimism".
"We are not saying that you (citizens) are safe. We are not saying that criminal gangs no longer roam the streets and have people in their homes barricaded," Ramlogan said.
"We are a government, through our policies and programmes, we are seeing a light at the end of our tunnel," he said.
"I will like to compliment and congratulate the Commissioner of Police. Hats off to you, Commissioner Gibbs," Ramlogan said.
Ramlogan's positive review of Gibbs's performance so far comes at a time when the recently appointed chairman of the Police Service Commission, Prof Ramesh Deosaran, has signalled his intention to review Gibbs's tenure at the helm of the Police Service.
Canadian Gibbs and his countryman, Deputy Police Commissioner Jack Ewatski, received their letters of appointment from former PSC chairman Nizam Mohammed on September 20 last year.
Ramlogan also congratulated Ewatski, outgoing Deputy Commissioner of Police Raymond Craig, his replacement Mervyn Richardson, and Stephen Williams for their roles in combatting crime.
Ramlogan said the Government has made mistakes, including the appointment of Reshmi Ramnarine as the head of the Strategic Services Agency (SSA), but was not too big to apologise.
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Its been more than a year since Gibbs became TNT Police Commisioner. How do you evaluate his performance ? I heard he is nominated for the Humming Bird medal..someone please confirm
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EPIC FAIL!
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Its been more than a year since Gibbs became TNT Police Commisioner. How do you evaluate his performance ? I heard he is nominated for the Humming Bird medal..someone please confirm
Humming Bird? You mean Dodo award, surely?
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definately ah failure judging by a crying wolf govt calling a SOE.....
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EPIC FAIL!
Depends on whose perspective yuh looking at it from. Gibbs get paid a quarter million US to come TnT wear ah throwback khaki uniform, hold de occasional press conference and work on he tan .
Winning!
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I think he has done a wonderful job regardless of what detractors say.
Murder rate lowest in years, more police ketching drunk drivers, Jack Warner resigning because he fraid him, his uniform real sharp looking not scruffy like some before, his english is impeccable, he has the perfect poker face and hang dog face and he has come from a tough neighbourhood as a youth, all in all for 1 yrs work I give him a thumbs up.
One more thing he doh dance to nobody else tune but his own.
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Hmm, Fishs, I'm not so sure about this: "One more thing he doh dance to nobody else tune but his own"
He's a political appointee, and, as such, many of his long term strategies would have to suit PP. And look how he ducked the whole bribery investigation issue. I know Bakes and I disagree on this one, but I felt he showed a distinct lack of backbone and kissed Kamlas ass on that one.
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Hmm, Fishs, I'm not so sure about this: "One more thing he doh dance to nobody else tune but his own"
He's a political appointee, and, as such, many of his long term strategies would have to suit PP. And look how he ducked the whole bribery investigation issue. I know Bakes and I disagree on this one, but I felt he showed a distinct lack of backbone and kissed Kamlas ass on that one.
FS, you don't even have to go as far as the FIFA/Jack bribery issue to give him a fail. His first big test to me to show whether or not he is his own man was the Nazim Mohammed issue. I lost all respect and hope I had for him after that.
Fishs, you say yuh does come home from time to time?? Well in that case I hope you were being sarcastic in your rating of Gibbs. The man is a failure with a big fat F....
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For those in the know and who actually have an informed opinion:
What were the goals/expectations after one year? Which ones did he meet, and which ones did he not meet?
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For those in the know and who actually have an informed opinion:
What were the goals/expectations after one year? Which ones did he meet, and which ones did he not meet?
U feel we does tink bout dem thing?
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For those in the know and who actually have an informed opinion:
What were the goals/expectations after one year? Which ones did he meet, and which ones did he not meet?
U feel we does tink bout dem thing?
LOL!!!
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For those in the know and who actually have an informed opinion:
What were the goals/expectations after one year? Which ones did he meet, and which ones did he not meet?
U feel we does tink bout dem thing?
LOL!!!
U gettin kicks is either we doh set none or we set what could neva b accomplish.
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The main thing kicker...does the population feel any safer?
If the answer is yes..then kudos to him..job well done. and kudos tot he government..if not..then he is a damn failure.
Straightforwardness.
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Hmm, Fishs, I'm not so sure about this: "One more thing he doh dance to nobody else tune but his own"
He's a political appointee, and, as such, many of his long term strategies would have to suit PP. And look how he ducked the whole bribery investigation issue. I know Bakes and I disagree on this one, but I felt he showed a distinct lack of backbone and kissed Kamlas ass on that one.
FS, you don't even have to go as far as the FIFA/Jack bribery issue to give him a fail. His first big test to me to show whether or not he is his own man was the Nazim Mohammed issue. I lost all respect and hope I had for him after that.
Fishs, you say yuh does come home from time to time?? Well in that case I hope you were being sarcastic in your rating of Gibbs. The man is a failure with a big fat F....
YUH KETCH MIH.
This is ah duncey question
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I think he has done a wonderful job regardless of what detractors say.
Murder rate lowest in years, more police ketching drunk drivers, Jack Warner resigning because he fraid him, his uniform real sharp looking not scruffy like some before, his english is impeccable, he has the perfect poker face and hang dog face and he has come from a tough neighbourhood as a youth, all in all for 1 yrs work I give him a thumbs up.
One more thing he doh dance to nobody else tune but his own.
You being sacarstic, right!!!!!!
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I think he has done a wonderful job regardless of what detractors say.
Murder rate lowest in years, more police ketching drunk drivers, Jack Warner resigning because he fraid him, his uniform real sharp looking not scruffy like some before, his english is impeccable, he has the perfect poker face and hang dog face and he has come from a tough neighbourhood as a youth, all in all for 1 yrs work I give him a thumbs up.
One more thing he doh dance to nobody else tune but his own.
You being sacarstic, right!!!!!!
Keep in mind that Fishs probably not living on the T&T landmass, if anything as his name implies he probably living in the seas round T&T which might be relatively crime free!!
But then again seeing all them boats regularly coming in with drugs & guns, he must have cause to wonder why Gibbs and them not doing enough about that to cut down crime in the country! ;)
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Keep in mind this man getting a bigger salary than governmnet ministers eh. Taxpayers money !
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dat greasy Canadian f**ker eh doing nutten
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dat greasy Canadian f**ker eh doing nutten
Sandy said Gibbs and Tonto out of the country. The journo say, shouldn't he be back as this is the biggest police operation of his tenure. Sandy said its not his decision.
This is fishy. You DO NOT call a SOE and not tell your top policemen to come back and organise it. Who's in control? The doorman at Xen? This ain't right, something's up with the Canadians.
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Sandy said Gibbs and Tonto out of the country. The journo say, shouldn't he be back as this is the biggest police operation of his tenure. Sandy said its not his decision.
This is fishy. You DO NOT call a SOE and not tell your top policemen to come back and organise it. Who's in control? The doorman at Xen? This ain't right, something's up with the Canadians.
Only with the Canadians?
Look lemme hush before dinho come and ask mih fuh ah plan yes.
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A SOE and the COP is out of the country? Well I have news for allyuh. In the 1970 SOE with failed coup and Black Power riots, I did remember the GG(Hochoy and His wife) out of the country. I think Eric send them out.
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dat greasy Canadian f**ker eh doing nutten
Sandy said Gibbs and Tonto out of the country. The journo say, shouldn't he be back as this is the biggest police operation of his tenure. Sandy said its not his decision.
This is fishy. You DO NOT call a SOE and not tell your top policemen to come back and organise it. Who's in control? The doorman at Xen? This ain't right, something's up with the Canadians.
Well I now coming to post that I nearly crash mih car earlier today when at the press conference the AG call on the "Acting" commissioner Williams to speak on the Police aspect of things.
I thought I was hearing things!! Then I see Williams on de TV and ah check mih self and start to ask where is the hot shot top cop from Canada??
The most challenging situation the country facing right now and BOTH Canadians eh here??!! Nah man, why Kamla doh tell them stay one time and save the country some money.....steups!!!
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A SOE and the COP is out of the country? Well I have news for allyuh. In the 1970 SOE with failed coup and Black Power riots, I did remember the GG(Hochoy and His wife) out of the country. I think Eric send them out.
Deeks, I'm seriously hoping you ain't suggesting that Kamla sent the country's two top policemen overseas for their safety? Coz, boy, if she did, that dengue gone muffle her brain
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Visa roadblock for Gibbs
By Akile Simon
Story Created: Aug 22, 2011 at 11:58 PM ECT
Commissioner of Police Dwayne Gibbs was detained by immigration officials shortly after he arrived in Brazil last Friday as he did not have a Brazilian visa.
Gibbs travelled to Brazil last Friday to be an observer at a meeting of the International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP). He was expected to attend the conference in which a memorandum of understanding was signed between the United States and the European Union to strengthen their ties in alleviating the drug trade through South America, West Africa and Europe.
Public Affairs director in the Police Service, Sharon Lee Assang, when contacted yesterday, said she wasn't aware of any problems encountered by Gibbs when he arrived in Brazil over the weekend.
She said, "This is the first time I am hearing that and I am amazed that sometimes you folks in the media get information long before me and I am working in the police service," Assang said.
However, Gibbs, during a telephone interview from Brazil yesterday, said he was kept at the airport for approximately four hours while officials at the Brazilian Embassy in Port of Spain arranged a visa for him.
He said he was not allowed to leave the airport by immigration officials. He said he was asked, at short notice, to be an observer at the IACP meeting.
"I wasn't informed that I needed a visa to travel to Brazil. I used my Canadian passport and when I came off the plane and headed to the terminal, I was asked for my visa which I did not have.
"I remained seated at the airport in the general area for three to four hours as people on both ends were working to sort it out. I appreciate everything everyone has done in such short space of time, given the fact it was Saturday and offices would have been closed."
After Gibbs received his visa, he was allowed to leave the airport terminal .
He is expected to return to the country later today.
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Explains a lot.
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What kinda idiot travels without checking visa requirements?
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What kinda idiot travels without checking visa requirements?
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Explains a lot.
I don't know if it explains anything... but it sure as heck raises a lot of questions. This on the other hand says a lot:
Public Affairs director in the Police Service, Sharon Lee Assang, when contacted yesterday, said she wasn't aware of any problems encountered by Gibbs when he arrived in Brazil over the weekend.
She said, "This is the first time I am hearing that and I am amazed that sometimes you folks in the media get information long before me and I am working in the police service," Assang said.
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What kinda idiot travels without checking visa requirements?
What kind of idiot leaves the country two days before the declaration of a state of emergency on his watch? Oh wait... the SoE wasn't planned in advance it juss kinda come up. Okay, nevermind.
...but wait, what kinda idiot declares a State of Emergency when the chief law enforcement officer is out of the country? Or doesn't have him fly back immediately for the biggest public safety crisis in the nation's history?
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Damn- that must be frustrating...Did he board in T&T? Surprised they allowed him to board.
For the U.S. at least I know the agent at the desk will check to see if you have a valid U.S. visa before even issuing you a boarding pass.
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Damn- that must be frustrating...Did he board in T&T? Surprised they allowed him to board.
For the U.S. at least I know the agent at the desk will check to see if you have a valid U.S. visa before even issuing you a boarding pass.
What you talking about, the man is Commmissioner of Police who checking he PP in T&T?
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Damn- that must be frustrating...Did he board in T&T? Surprised they allowed him to board.
For the U.S. at least I know the agent at the desk will check to see if you have a valid U.S. visa before even issuing you a boarding pass.
What you talking about, the man is Commmissioner of Police who checking he PP in T&T?
:rotfl:
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Damn- that must be frustrating...Did he board in T&T? Surprised they allowed him to board.
For the U.S. at least I know the agent at the desk will check to see if you have a valid U.S. visa before even issuing you a boarding pass.
He would have just walked through to the plane and left someone to check in his two, brightly coloured suitcases. Wait a minute........
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Damn- that must be frustrating...Did he board in T&T? Surprised they allowed him to board.
For the U.S. at least I know the agent at the desk will check to see if you have a valid U.S. visa before even issuing you a boarding pass.
He would have just walked through to the plane and left someone to check in his two, brightly coloured suitcases. Wait a minute........
:rotfl: :rotfl:
FS, you are now a full fledged Trini.......yuh taking serious thing to make joke....
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Damn- that must be frustrating...Did he board in T&T? Surprised they allowed him to board.
For the U.S. at least I know the agent at the desk will check to see if you have a valid U.S. visa before even issuing you a boarding pass.
He would have just walked through to the plane and left someone to check in his two, brightly coloured suitcases. Wait a minute........
:rotfl: :rotfl:
FS, you are now a full fledged Trini.......yuh taking serious thing to make joke....
ENTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT :rotfl:
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Damn- that must be frustrating...Did he board in T&T? Surprised they allowed him to board.
For the U.S. at least I know the agent at the desk will check to see if you have a valid U.S. visa before even issuing you a boarding pass.
He would have just walked through to the plane and left someone to check in his two, brightly coloured suitcases. Wait a minute........
Aye watch yuh mouth boy. I was going and say 22 mill one way, probably 1/2 a bill de other way. ???
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As much as I've never been Gibbs No1 supporter, this madness today about his "racist" comment is crazy. Talking about how the arrested people would be identified and imprisoned, Gibbs said "It will take time to tell who's who in the zoo"
Apparently Gibbs was making a reference to African slaves who were put in zoos.
Are they crazy? Gibbs statement, in my opinion, reflects his opinion that in this multi racial society, no sane person would equate a common phrase with racism. I often use the phrase "all over him like white on rice" Is that racist? Or "pot calling the kettle black"? I remember the mad days in UK when they took away the word blackboard and replaced it with chalkboard so it didn't offend people of colour, while quite forgetting that white people are called "Chalky" across the world.
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As much as I've never been Gibbs No1 supporter, this madness today about his "racist" comment is crazy. Talking about how the arrested people would be identified and imprisoned, Gibbs said "It will take time to tell who's who in the zoo"
Apparently Gibbs was making a reference to African slaves who were put in zoos.
Are they crazy? Gibbs statement, in my opinion, reflects his opinion that in this multi racial society, no sane person would equate a common phrase with racism. I often use the phrase "all over him like white on rice" Is that racist? Or "pot calling the kettle black"? I remember the mad days in UK when they took away the word blackboard and replaced it with chalkboard so it didn't offend people of colour, while quite forgetting that white people are called "Chalky" across the world.
You've never been likened to a monkey... so you wouldn't understand. And I've never heard white people referred to as "chalky".
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As much as I've never been Gibbs No1 supporter, this madness today about his "racist" comment is crazy. Talking about how the arrested people would be identified and imprisoned, Gibbs said "It will take time to tell who's who in the zoo"
Apparently Gibbs was making a reference to African slaves who were put in zoos.
Are they crazy? Gibbs statement, in my opinion, reflects his opinion that in this multi racial society, no sane person would equate a common phrase with racism. I often use the phrase "all over him like white on rice" Is that racist? Or "pot calling the kettle black"? I remember the mad days in UK when they took away the word blackboard and replaced it with chalkboard so it didn't offend people of colour, while quite forgetting that white people are called "Chalky" across the world.
You've never been likened to a monkey... so you wouldn't understand. And I've never heard white people referred to as "chalky".
Actually, you're incorrect. Yesterday, Sunday evening, my girlfriend said to her daughter "look at the hairs on his arms, he's like a monkey" I actually laughingly accused her of being racist and pointed out that if I said that to a person of colour , I would be accused of being racist. (I am willing to supply a phone number if you want confirmation of this. Its a coincidence, but apt)
I presume, Bakes, you've never been referred to as a slave trader, or a nazi (as I was outside the Corner Bar on Ariapita in 2008 - the only time I've received overtly racist abuse in T&T)
Having a black wife in London resulted in me receiving racist comments from blacks and whites (but that kind of thing has pretty much died out now). And of course I get the classic accusations of slave owning ancestors (which I have no idea if that is true and my family was working class), to which I usually reply "That makes two of us then"
Just because I'm white, doesn't mean I am not touched by racism (albeit not as frequently as some black people). Everyday, I am treated different to Trinis, both because of colour and because of nationality. Sometimes its beneficial, most times not.
Chalky was originally a nickname for people with the surname White. It was picked up by locals in Commonwealth countries, mainly India, Pakistan etc out of no malice. Its a playful term, much like "Redman" as I'm sometimes called here.
Who's who in the zoo has, as far as I'm concerned, no racial connotations. I have heard the term in many scenarios in UK & USA including the stock exchange. You have to reach real far to believe that comment is racist in any way. I don't even think it is insensitive.
I am sorry you were referred to as a monkey. That said, I feel those instances do not give you the moral high ground to lecture me on racism. And your response to my previous comment was out of context and uncalled for. I thought you were bigger than that mate.
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Actually, you're incorrect. Yesterday, Sunday evening, my girlfriend said to her daughter "look at the hairs on his arms, he's like a monkey" I actually laughingly accused her of being racist and pointed out that if I said that to a person of colour , I would be accused of being racist. (I am willing to supply a phone number if you want confirmation of this. Its a coincidence, but apt)
I presume, Bakes, you've never been referred to as a slave trader, or a nazi (as I was outside the Corner Bar on Ariapita in 2008 - the only time I've received overtly racist abuse in T&T)
Having a black wife in London resulted in me receiving racist comments from blacks and whites (but that kind of thing has pretty much died out now). And of course I get the classic accusations of slave owning ancestors (which I have no idea if that is true and my family was working class), to which I usually reply "That makes two of us then"
Just because I'm white, doesn't mean I am not touched by racism (albeit not as frequently as some black people). Everyday, I am treated different to Trinis, both because of colour and because of nationality. Sometimes its beneficial, most times not.
Chalky was originally a nickname for people with the surname White. It was picked up by locals in Commonwealth countries, mainly India, Pakistan etc out of no malice. Its a playful term, much like "Redman" as I'm sometimes called here.
Who's who in the zoo has, as far as I'm concerned, no racial connotations. I have heard the term in many scenarios in UK & USA including the stock exchange. You have to reach real far to believe that comment is racist in any way. I don't even think it is insensitive.
I am sorry you were referred to as a monkey. That said, I feel those instances do not give you the moral high ground to lecture me on racism. And your response to my previous comment was out of context and uncalled for. I thought you were bigger than that mate.
Dude, at no point did I say to you "you've never been the victim of racism, therefore you don't understand." You are entirely too thin-skinned... you seem to take everything as a personal attack against you, including disagreements with your comments.
I don't know enough about you to "lecture you on racism". I'm trying to tell you that YOU are in no position to tell black people how to feel about references made to other black people implying that they're animals. I have never been called a monkey or animal to my face, but I know enough about the history of such references to instinctively and inherently know the sting.
The comment by your girlfriend hardly counts. My family is mixed and I've had friends jokingly call me "c**lie boy", despite my obvious African features. The comment is so off-base, and my familiarity with the sources of the comment is such that I know better than to interpret it as a slur. I wouldn't dare attempt to tell an Indian person in the same situation how to feel.
Whatever slights and offenses you have been subject to you have my sympathies, but that has nothing to do with anything that I said. I don't know that Gibbs was being racist... in fact I highly doubt it, but his comments reveal a lack of appreciation for his situation. He's the first foreigner, and a white man at that, to be put in charge of the Police force. In a country still suffering from colorism and still smarting from the sting of colonialism (everything white/foreign is better) it isn't surprising that some would interpret his comment as such. Neither you nor he knows enough about this history to be rubbishing the concerns as you did. This was my point to you... which you clearly missed.
As for the "chalky" comment... I'm not arguing whether it is or isn't a slur. You said it's used all over the world... I'm telling you that in my limited experience this is the first I'm ever hearing the reference.
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Actually, you're incorrect. Yesterday, Sunday evening, my girlfriend said to her daughter "look at the hairs on his arms, he's like a monkey" I actually laughingly accused her of being racist and pointed out that if I said that to a person of colour , I would be accused of being racist. (I am willing to supply a phone number if you want confirmation of this. Its a coincidence, but apt)
I presume, Bakes, you've never been referred to as a slave trader, or a nazi (as I was outside the Corner Bar on Ariapita in 2008 - the only time I've received overtly racist abuse in T&T)
Having a black wife in London resulted in me receiving racist comments from blacks and whites (but that kind of thing has pretty much died out now). And of course I get the classic accusations of slave owning ancestors (which I have no idea if that is true and my family was working class), to which I usually reply "That makes two of us then"
Just because I'm white, doesn't mean I am not touched by racism (albeit not as frequently as some black people). Everyday, I am treated different to Trinis, both because of colour and because of nationality. Sometimes its beneficial, most times not.
Chalky was originally a nickname for people with the surname White. It was picked up by locals in Commonwealth countries, mainly India, Pakistan etc out of no malice. Its a playful term, much like "Redman" as I'm sometimes called here.
Who's who in the zoo has, as far as I'm concerned, no racial connotations. I have heard the term in many scenarios in UK & USA including the stock exchange. You have to reach real far to believe that comment is racist in any way. I don't even think it is insensitive.
I am sorry you were referred to as a monkey. That said, I feel those instances do not give you the moral high ground to lecture me on racism. And your response to my previous comment was out of context and uncalled for. I thought you were bigger than that mate.
Dude, at no point did I say to you "you've never been the victim of racism, therefore you don't understand." You are entirely too thin-skinned... you seem to take everything as a personal attack against you, including disagreements with your comments.
I don't know enough about you to "lecture you on racism". I'm trying to tell you that YOU are in no position to tell black people how to feel about references made to other black people implying that they're animals. I have never been called a monkey or animal to my face, but I know enough about the history of such references to instinctively and inherently know the sting.
The comment by your girlfriend hardly counts. My family is mixed and I've had friends jokingly call me "c**lie boy", despite my obvious African features. The comment is so off-base, and my familiarity with the sources of the comment is such that I know better than to interpret it as a slur. I wouldn't dare attempt to tell an Indian person in the same situation how to feel.
Whatever slights and offenses you have been subject to you have my sympathies, but that has nothing to do with anything that I said. I don't know that Gibbs was being racist... in fact I highly doubt it, but his comments reveal a lack of appreciation for his situation. He's the first foreigner, and a white man at that, to be put in charge of the Police force. In a country still suffering from colorism and still smarting from the sting of colonialism (everything white/foreign is better) it isn't surprising that some would interpret his comment as such. Neither you nor he knows enough about this history to be rubbishing the concerns as you did. This was my point to you... which you clearly missed.
As for the "chalky" comment... I'm not arguing whether it is or isn't a slur. You said it's used all over the world... I'm telling you that in my limited experience this is the first I'm ever hearing the reference.
The thing is mate that we view things from opposite sides of a spectrum, and I choose that word deliberately. This discussion is a perfect example. Neither of us are racist or wish to offend each other, but we managed to do just that.
"Neither you nor he knows enough about this history to be rubbishing the concerns as you did. This was my point to you... which you clearly missed."
Whereas you may be perfectly justified to say the above, to my white eyes, that statement is very condescending. My interpretation of your statement is that, Gibbs and I, being white, have a far diminished knowledge of history than a black person. Again, you may not have meant it in that way but thats how it feels, and therefore I can't comment on race issues because I don't understand..
Much as you weren't aware that chalky is a term used racially against whites, http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chalky I'm sure Gibbs didn't use the phrase "Who's who in the zoo" in any racial context. If someone had called me chalky without realising the connotations, and I called them racist, you all would have said I'm being thin skinned about that too!
As you will be aware in the USA, this term is used and accepted without any racial connotations. At best, someone should have whispered in Gibbs ear not to say that again. In my view, these people who are demanding Gibbs resignation are at the least guilty of being racist towards Gibbs. They are doing far more damage than the silly girl on facebook. If a Canadian Muslim had said this, I'm damn sure they wouldn't be shouting so loud. You say I'm thin skinned, what about these guys?
It just illustrates that we all have to be more tolerant at times and accept that not every comment is meant in the way it may be perceived.
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For those in the know and who actually have an informed opinion:
What were the goals/expectations after one year? Which ones did he meet, and which ones did he not meet?
U feel we does tink bout dem thing?
:rotfl: Yuh nearly put me in hospital with that one. Classic!!!
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The thing is mate that we view things from opposite sides of a spectrum, and I choose that word deliberately. This discussion is a perfect example. Neither of us are racist or wish to offend each other, but we managed to do just that.
I think you read way more significance into these conversations than are meant... there is nothing that you said that personally offended me... I just find it funny whenever a non-black person presumes to speak on when black people are "overreacting" to perceived racial slights.... which I'll elaborate on in a second.
"Neither you nor he knows enough about this history to be rubbishing the concerns as you did. This was my point to you... which you clearly missed."
Whereas you may be perfectly justified to say the above, to my white eyes, that statement is very condescending. My interpretation of your statement is that, Gibbs and I, being white, have a far diminished knowledge of history than a black person. Again, you may not have meant it in that way but thats how it feels, and therefore I can't comment on race issues because I don't understand..
Well I'm sorry that's how you interpreted my comments... but as I tried to illustrate with my "c-word" analogy... who are you to say when a black person is being unreasonable in reacting to perceived racism?? It's not that you can't comment on race issues, it's more of a "how can you even talk unless you've walked in their shoes?" I don't know about you, but as a black man I would be reticent to tell an Indian person that they are overreacting to perceived anti-Indian sentiment, or to tell a Jewish person the same about perceived anti-Semitism. I don't share, and cannot understand their perspective therefore it would be inappropriate for me to attempt to circumscribe their sense of offense.
"Who's who in the zoo" might be a "common statement" to you... but honestly this may be the first time I'm hearing it. If it's not the first time, I can tell you that it really isn't that common as to suggest that it is unreasonable for a Trinidadian to find it uncommon... it certainly isn't something I heard a lot growing up, not in person, not on TV. You haven't lived with a history of your people being associated with Simians... and a good guess is that you missed a lot of the coded racism that was in the early Planet of the Apes movies which made so many black people uncomfortable. The only other people I know of who've widely been compared to apes are the Irish, and I'm certain even they weren't as unnerved by the movies as blacks were. I can tell you, even as a young child (seeing it on reruns around age 5 or 6) who was largely sheltered from racism in TnT there were points in the movie when I felt keenly uncomfortable. You don't share this inherent discomfort with the comparison therefore you won't get it. Why you would choose to interpret that as me lecturing you on race or telling you that you can't comment on it... is quite simply, beyond me.
Much as you weren't aware that chalky is a term used racially against whites, http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chalky I'm sure Gibbs didn't use the phrase "Who's who in the zoo" in any racial context. If someone had called me chalky without realising the connotations, and I called them racist, you all would have said I'm being thin skinned about that too!
As you will be aware in the USA, this term is used and accepted without any racial connotations. At best, someone should have whispered in Gibbs ear not to say that again. In my view, these people who are demanding Gibbs resignation are at the least guilty of being racist towards Gibbs. They are doing far more damage than the silly girl on facebook. If a Canadian Muslim had said this, I'm damn sure they wouldn't be shouting so loud. You say I'm thin skinned, what about these guys?
It just illustrates that we all have to be more tolerant at times and accept that not every comment is meant in the way it may be perceived.
Uhm... no.
First off, I've lived in the US for 22 1/2 yrs... and as I mentioned earlier... this is NOT a common saying. If you had taken offense to being called "chalky" I might have said "I think you're reading too much into the comment, I don't think...". I definitely would not have said anything to suggest that you were crazy or being unreasonable for interpreting the comment as an offense.
Secondly, Gibbs may not have been aware that some would have taken his comment the wrong way, but he SHOULD be familiar with the historical comparison of blacks to apes. I don't know what he knows from what he doesn't know, but the trope is so common that one has to be living in a bubble to not understand how such a comparison (blacks to apes/animals) would be offensive. Armed with this knowledge, the "zoo" language is a most unfortunate choice of words.
Thirdly, everything I said to you earlier regarding the particular sensitivity of Trinis/WI's to issues of 1) colorism and 2) colonialism seems to have sailed safely above your head. You may not have understood it when I explained it, or maybe you did understand but don't agree with it... but agree or not, I'm telling you that things like this are still seen by through those lenses. 3) Same for the fact that he's a foreigner. Just look at Bajan's reaction to the whole Machel/cropover issue... WI's don't like foreigners coming into their country and supplanting them.
Gibbs by now should have had an appreciation of all three of these issues as to be wiser with his words... this is about the only thing I could say he's guilty of, not understanding these issues and thus being properly sensitized to them. This, again, is the point that I was also making to you... maybe now you would understand. If not... or if there's yet something else that I said that you take offense to, then I really can't help you.
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"You haven't lived with a history of your people being associated with Simians... and a good guess is that you missed a lot of the coded racism that was in the early Planet of the Apes movies which made so many black people uncomfortable."
I actually watched the TV series before the movie. Think I was around 14. One time at school, we were tasked with writing an essay discussing the metaphor of Apes as Africans and the reversal of white/African slavery. Aside from one token black man and an Asian woman, who have minor parts, all human characters were white. I may be wrong, but I believe the colour of the apes reflected in seniority, with the darkest apes being the most brutal and the lighter apes the most civilised and educated.
Although there were many liberal outrages about this programme, condemning it as a warning to whites in America of what would happen if blacks were allowed to obtain power, I will admit, most British people couldn't see it. They were still naive in those days and if it wasn't writ large, they didn't see it.
To us kids, once we saw the underlying message, we were mostly shocked. I seem to recall that this was also around the time of "Roots", which also shocked us. Although we were taught about slavery, the Americans were made out to be the really bad guys.
I never heard of Irish being called apes though. In the UK, an Irishman was always the butt of the joke for being stupid, Scottish were always tight fisted and Welsh were sheep shaggers! Of course, we couldn't be racist against ourselves, so we went regional. Us Southern guys were wheeler dealer cockney thieves while our girls were cheap and tarty, people from the South West were slow witted, Northerners were tightfisted and brash. We even broke it down to cities, but I won't go there now!
And as stupid as this may sound, I still find Gibbs comments are a long reach from racist. Now if he had said he wanted to "sort the Alpha males from the Troop" I can see the likening to apes. But the zoo reference simply means sorting like for like, in this instance, gang leaders from car thieves etc. It was a poor simile, but one he used without malice. Indeed, had he any realisation of offence, I'm certain he wouldn't have used it. It was a simple mistake, and as such, worth monitoring, but no more. Sorry if I still seem insensitive.
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"You haven't lived with a history of your people being associated with Simians... and a good guess is that you missed a lot of the coded racism that was in the early Planet of the Apes movies which made so many black people uncomfortable."
I actually watched the TV series before the movie. Think I was around 14. One time at school, we were tasked with writing an essay discussing the metaphor of Apes as Africans and the reversal of white/African slavery. Aside from one token black man and an Asian woman, who have minor parts, all human characters were white. I may be wrong, but I believe the colour of the apes reflected in seniority, with the darkest apes being the most brutal and the lighter apes the most civilised and educated.
Although there were many liberal outrages about this programme, condemning it as a warning to whites in America of what would happen if blacks were allowed to obtain power, I will admit, most British people couldn't see it. They were still naive in those days and if it wasn't writ large, they didn't see it.
To us kids, once we saw the underlying message, we were mostly shocked. I seem to recall that this was also around the time of "Roots", which also shocked us. Although we were taught about slavery, the Americans were made out to be the really bad guys.
I never heard of Irish being called apes though. In the UK, an Irishman was always the butt of the joke for being stupid, Scottish were always tight fisted and Welsh were sheep shaggers! Of course, we couldn't be racist against ourselves, so we went regional. Us Southern guys were wheeler dealer cockney thieves while our girls were cheap and tarty, people from the South West were slow witted, Northerners were tightfisted and brash. We even broke it down to cities, but I won't go there now!
And as stupid as this may sound, I still find Gibbs comments are a long reach from racist. Now if he had said he wanted to "sort the Alpha males from the Troop" I can see the likening to apes. But the zoo reference simply means sorting like for like, in this instance, gang leaders from car thieves etc. It was a poor simile, but one he used without malice. Indeed, had he any realisation of offence, I'm certain he wouldn't have used it. It was a simple mistake, and as such, worth monitoring, but no more. Sorry if I still seem insensitive.
Not at all... I don't think you are, nor do you sound insensitive. As I said to you much earlier... I also don't think he was being racist. I was just trying to explain to you why the response wasn't as "crazy" or unreasonable as you think.
As for the Irish and apes... it's actually the British (and no one else) who made the comparison. Just google "irish" and "simian" and see what you find ;)
As for Planet of the Apes... yeah in ape society the extremely light Orangutans were the Politicians and Academics, the light Chimpanzees were the artists, bohemians and scientists... the extremely dark Apes were the unthinking, unsophisticated brutes... the police/military.
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I don't know how much of you guys have been inside a prison or jail to see what its like.
They are deplorable conditions, really fit for animals only, some of it is the prisoners own making, also when you pass on the outside the kind of noises , inhuman sounds and smell that come from inside there makes you want to puke.
Caged like animals.
So "who's who in the ZOO" maybe more literal than you think.
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Damn- that must be frustrating...Did he board in T&T? Surprised they allowed him to board.
For the U.S. at least I know the agent at the desk will check to see if you have a valid U.S. visa before even issuing you a boarding pass.
What you talking about, the man is Commmissioner of Police who checking he PP in T&T?
lol true
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Who's who in the zoo has, as far as I'm concerned, no racial connotations.
Right where I bolded is where you faltered.
What's offensive to others may not be offensive to you. Different cultures and individuals have different experiences and there will be times when yuh need to be sensitive to them. I don't think his statement was racist at all, but if you're not familiar with the zoo reference that he made, it could be easily misconstrued. As bakes was saying, if you've had a history of being likened to a monkey the perspective changes. You're better off accepting that and adjusting your behavior to suit, than being dismissive.
There's another thread where Qantas airlines had to apologize for perceived racism...I didn't think there was anything racist involved in the situation what so ever, but that's the world we live in....and in all fariness, black people eh make it so lol...
There's a reason why black people in general are more sensitive to (perceived) racism than most, if not all races ... right, wrong or indifferent it is how it is...and for a pretty understandable reason. Who doh think it's understandable probably needs to read a book or two.
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Who's who in the zoo has, as far as I'm concerned, no racial connotations.
Right where I bolded is where you faltered.
What's offensive to others may not be offensive to you. Different cultures and individuals have different experiences and there will be times when yuh need to be sensitive to them. I don't think his statement was racist at all, but if you're not familiar with the zoo reference that he made, it could be easily misconstrued. As bakes was saying, if you've had a history of being likened to a monkey the perspective changes. You're better off accepting that and adjusting your behavior to suit, than being dismissive.
There's another thread where Qantas airlines had to apologize for perceived racism...I didn't think there was anything racist involved in the situation what so ever, but that's the world we live in....and in all fariness, black people eh make it so lol...
There's a reason why black people in general are more sensitive to (perceived) racism than most, if not all races ... right, wrong or indifferent it is how it is...and for a pretty understandable reason. Who doh think it's understandable probably needs to read a book or two.
I hear you. And I agree, it may have been an insensitive comment, particularly in a Caribbean country. Trust me, its easy to say something that seems innocuous, but has racial connotations when you are in a different society. I am certain that Gibbs feels he is completely non racist and sensitive to race issues, yet a common day phrase in Canada is misconstrued in T&T. Its politically correct in UK to address Indians and people from the sub continent as Asians, whereas "Indians" could be perceived as rude, yet here, it appears the opposite. In UK, the term redskin always referred to American Indians.
A little leeway needs to be excercised by all people. While I have had the luxury of explanation, Gibbs did not. Calling him a racist and wanting his resignation is extreme. As I have said before, those actions should be publicly critiscised as inciting civil unrest and attacking the government. These were no teenage girls, these were people with their own agenda trying to persue their own agenda. A simple statement such as "Gibbs comment was unfortunate" would have sufficed.
But thank you to everyone here, as this type of debate is invaluable to me as a white guy. I could see myself having said the exact same phrase as a comment. For instance, if there was a reshuffle in TTFF, I could see myself saying "Lets wait until the dust settles to see who's who in the zoo." Until yesterday, I honestly felt that phrase had no racial connotations!
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FS... I'm with you, I don't think the phrase itself carries any racial connotations... at all. It just invokes some uncomfortable feelings for some, or gives others an excuse to cry racism, and really only because in our part of the world it's not as commonly heard.
As for those who are clamoring for Gibbs to resign... likely they're still toting feelings from the fact that he's white, a foreigner etc... and just plain don't like him for that reason. As such, any reason to get him out of office is fair game for them. Should they be charged with a crime?? Come on! That is hardly "inciting civil unrest"... and there is nothing wrong or illegal with "attacking the government", even under the SoE. They're just idiots and I'm pretty certain the rest of TnT will look at them as being just that, idiots.
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well I think his statement was racist. a Zoo houses animals. he is referring to those imprisoned (mainly black persons) as animals. i dont know how you all dont think its racist.
if u look at it literally or figuratively, he is comparing blacks to animals. plain and simple
but this is my opinion of course
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well I think his statement was racist. a Zoo houses animals. he is referring to those imprisoned (mainly black persons) as animals. i dont know how you all dont think its racist.
if u look at it literally or figuratively, he is comparing blacks to animals. plain and simple
but this is my opinion of course
That first line has no logic at all. So any talk about criminals is racist?! Nonsense!! Give yuh head a shake. Steups.
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And I "wishes" for Gibbs to be sent back to his home in Canada and for the PPing government to stop wasting T&T taxpayers money paying this man!! :pissedoff:
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/GIBBS_WISHES_FOR_LESS_CRIME-136294228.html
GIBBS WISHES FOR LESS CRIME
Police Commissioner returns from vacation to find eight murdered
By Akile Simon
Story Created: Dec 27, 2011 at 11:51 PM ECT
WITH eight persons being murdered in separate incidents over the long Christmas weekend, Commissioner of Police Dwayne Gibbs yesterday expressed concern over the incidents but assured the police will continue to do all in their power to deal with such incidents.
The eight killings occurred between last Friday and yesterday in Valencia, Maracas/St Joseph, Claxton Bay, San Fernando, Laventille, Aranjuez and Caroni.
Two of the victims, one of them a woman, were stabbed, while the other six were shot during separate incidents.
The dead people have been identified as army Sgt George Sheldon Froix, Sheldon "Nippy" Gillman, Kern "Chucky" Mitchell, Anil Bhagwandass, Brent Dickson, Noel Marcano, Amanda Phillip and Krishandath "Trudy" Ramesar.
Gibbs spoke with the Express during a brief telephone interview shortly after returning to the country from an overseas trip.
Gibbs said he hadn't had a chance to catch up with what has transpired in the country during his absence but gave the undertaking the police will continue to work with the various stakeholders to provide effective and efficient policing.
He said at the end of 2011, the country would have recorded a lower crime rate and he intends to maintain this with the possibility of taking the rate to an even lower level compared to the past years.
Gibbs said: "At the moment I'm not in a position to say anything since I'm trying to get up to speed with all that has transpired during my absence so I'm not in a position to take any questions.
He added, "We are hoping to expand on all of our policing initiatives especially dealing with the 21st Century Policing Initiative. My wish for 2012 is to have crime way down in the sense that we see people trying to work together and not solving their differences by killing each other and for the country to flourish economically and politically."
Meanwhile, Deputy Commissioner in charge of Anti-Crime, Operations, Mervyn Richardson, said yesterday the police have recognised that within the past two weeks many of the homicides committed were a result of conflict between several parties.
He said the issue of people being unable to find effective ways in settling disputes is one of serious concern and must be addressed by individuals themselves.
He said, "We are concerned that within the last two weeks we have seen a marginal increase in homicides. We are investigating every incident and I could tell you that several of them are expected to be completed within the earliest possible time.
"Every life lost is a concern to us and one too many as we remain in this all-time-low in homicides and it's unfortunate what happened in East Port of Spain last week at the Trou Macaque, Laventille, Plannings.
"I want to assure the public that we are doing all in our power to ensure their safety and security. We also want to thank them for calling in and providing us with information in solving homicides and crimes and urge them to continue doing so.
"As we move into the pre-Carnival season, there would be an even greater police visibility throughout the country."
The latest killing occurred at Forres Park, Claxton Bay, where Ramesar was shot by unknown assailants while liming at the side of the roadway. Ramesar was shot twice about his body and once in his head a stone's throw away from where he lived at Allarack Road, Caratal Road.
His family believe persons who were jealous of Ramesar, who worked as a farmer and a watchman, chose to end his life.
Witnesses told police that around 9 p.m. that a gunman wearing a ski mask on his face and with a hat with a headlamp emerged from a track leading to Allarack Road where Ramesar was liming and shot him.
The gunman then walked away from the scene.
Ramesar was at the time liming and drinking on the road with his sister, Rekha Ragoonath, friend Anthony Rampersad and neighbour Indradeo Pulchan.
Ragoonath, who turned 17 yesterday, said when she saw the gunman she initially wanted to run because she thought he looked strange.
Ragoonath said: "This guy came out wearing a ski mask and a hunting light on his head. At first he just flashing around in the bushes and trees so we thought it was a hunter. We usually would see persons with head lamps, but the ski mask was not normal. But when he reached about eight or nine feet away from Trudy he just started to shoot and my brother fell to the ground. He (the killer) didn't look at us or anything. He just went up to him and shot him again to make sure he died. Then he just walked back from where he came, he didn't run away".
The family rushed Ramesar to the Couva Health Facility but he was pronounced dead on arrival there.
His mother, Sumatee Ragoonath, said her son was set up by persons whom he knew. "My son didn't interfere with anybody unless someone interfered with him," she said.
Ramesar served one year in jail in 1999 for stealing, his family said.
Between 8.30 p.m. on Saturday and 1 a.m. on Christmas Day, there were three more killings.
Bhagwandass, a 35-year-old watchman, was riding his bicycle along Abuckle Trace, Caroni, when a man walked up to him and shot him about the body. He fell and died on the roadway, police said.
His killing is believed to be as a result of old argument he had with another man over a quantity of cocaine, police said.
Dickson, 33, of Soogrim Trace, Laventille, was gunned down around 12.30 a.m., on Christmas Day. Officers from the Inter Agency Task Force (IATF) responded to reports of a shooting in the area.
When they got to the scene they found Dickson with a gunshot wound to the head and chest lying dead next to a community centre. Police believe his murder was gang related.
Marcano, 55, is believed to have been murdered around 1 a.m. the same day on the compound of a garbage disposal company at Patraj Trace, off the Don Miguel Road Extension, El Socorro, south.
The victim, who police said was employed as a watchman, and also lived on the premises, was seen arguing with two men who are believed to have murdered him.
One of the suspects is believed to have stabbed Marcano twice in the chest, killing him on the spot.
The men later went to the Barataria Police Station and claimed they "found" Marcano dead in a guard booth on the compound.
Army Sgt Froix, 40, and Mitchell, 24, an Arima resident, were gunned down while liming at D'Rum Shop bar in Valencia early on Saturday. Russell Samlal, another patron at the bar, was also shot and critically injured.
And in the first incident, which occurred at Upper Wharf Trace, Maracas/St Joseph around 8.45 p.m., Gillman, 35, of Prizgar Lands, Laventille, was shot 16 times about the body while liming at Upper Wharf Trace.
He died at the scene and his killing was described by police as being linked to a dispute he had with a drug dealer within the North Eastern Division.
—with reporting by Susan Mohammed
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http://www.guardian.co.tt/gibbs-must-produce-anti-crime-plan%E2%80%94ag
Govt concerned over spike in murder rate...
Gibbs must produce anti-crime plan—AG
Published: Friday, December 30, 2011
Richard Lord
Attorney General Anand Ramlogan admitted yesterday that he was, personally, very disappointed over the recent increase in murders in T&T. At least eight people were killed during the Christmas holiday weekend in the country. There have been at least 15 murders in T&T since the state of emergency expired on December 5. Responding to questions during the last post-Cabinet news conference for the year at the Diplomatic centre in St Ann’s yesterday, Ramlogan said it was now up to Commissioner of Police Dwayne Gibbs to present his anti-crime plan to ensure the murder rate is kept to a minimum, after the success of the state of emergency.
“The Government is very concerned about the spike in the murder rate post- state of emergency,” Ramlogan said.
Ramlogan said he was “very anxious to hear from the Commissioner of Police, who has had the benefit of a year to settle into the job and who we hope would bring fresh ideas and a new perspective to be able to help us solve the crime problem.” Ramlogan said Gibbs “concept of 21st century policing had been bandied about and I am naturally disappointed in the spike in the murder rate.” He said the Government “intends to ask for the plans that will lead to the suppression of this spike from the Commissioner of Police.” He said he was expecting that the matter would be discussed at a meeting of the National Security Council shortly.
Ramlogan said while the Government was not authorised to comment on the performance of Gibbs “my disappointment was a personal one and the concern of the Government remains given the fact that there has been a spike in the murder rate in the aftermath of the state of emergency.” He insisted: “The Commissioner of Police will be the best person to explain what measures were introduced, post state of emergency, to prevent this from happening and why those measures have failed and what he intends to do about it.” Ramlogan said the recent negative developments showed clearly that the state of emergency which was in effect from August 21 was necessary because it saved lives.
He said the murder rate was now lower when compared to the same period in previous years. He said that was no cause for rejoicing in the country. He said the gangs had been largely disabled as a consequence of the state of emergency. Ramlogan said no consideration was being given to declaring another state of emergency.
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Give him alook at d 1 d PP did promise in d manifesto. So he eh go have 2 strt from scratch. Help a brudder out.
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I kinda tired.
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Why do some of these fools belive that a SOE is required for police to do their jobs to gather evidence and then arrest and lock up criminals at all levels of society?
Are some folks in T&T really that gullibe and dotish?! ???
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Why do some of these fools belive that a SOE is required for police to do their jobs to gather evidence and then arrest and lock up criminals at all levels of society?
Are some folks in T&T really that gullibe and dotish?! ???
Is d Pope Catholic?
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Now posting the Express version over in the 8 murders thread.....we really back to square one.....
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*sigh* Jah Gol, I tired too....
CoP Gibbs gives self passing grade on crime
By Rickie Ramdass
WITH approximately two weeks to go before the Police Service Commission brings to a completion its review of Police Commissioner Dwayne Gibbs, the commissioner has given himself a passing grade on his performance.
Speaking at a luncheon for members of the Media Association of Trinidad and Tobago (MATT) yesterday at the Hyatt Regency hotel, Wrightson Road, Port of Spain, Gibbs said contrary to claims from several quarters that crime was on the rise, he said this was not so.
The function was sponsored by the Office of the Commissioner of Police from the budget for such events, MATT officials explained.
When asked by reporters how he would assess his own performance since becoming this country's Police Commissioner in 2010, Gibbs said: "I will let the statistics speak for themselves."
He said compared to previous years, Trinidad and Tobago has experienced a dramatic decrease in serious crimes, with much credit being given to the 21st Century Policing Initiative.
"Let me say, first of all, that crime is not getting worse. If we look at the statistics, from 2009, 2010, 2011, we would see that serious crime is down by roughly 20 per cent. We know that with the SoE (State of Emergency), all serious crimes were decreased by roughly 50 per cent," he said.
Gibbs said the main concern of the Police Service going into this year was to work even more assiduously in decreasing the crime rate further.
"This is a good position to be in. Will we still have crime? Yes. Will we have spikes in crime? Yes, we will, but we will do everything in our powers to keep crime from spiralling out of control.
In terms of my evaluation, I will let the statistics speak for themselves. The work that we have been doing will speak for that. As everybody knows, I will not be satisfied with where we are at. I will work to improve what has already been started. There is always opportunity to do better," said Gibbs.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/CoP_Gibbs_gives_self_passing_grade_on_crime-136860438.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/CoP_Gibbs_gives_self_passing_grade_on_crime-136860438.html)
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somebody need to whisper in gibbs ear...self praise is no praise..
in fact..put it on that electronic billboard on independence square
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somebody need to whisper in gibbs ear...self praise is no praise..
in fact..put it on that electronic billboard on independence square
Dat not true. If yuh doh praise yuhself...who go praise yuh?
Ent yuh could give yuhself silk?
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somebody need to whisper in gibbs ear...self praise is no praise..
in fact..put it on that electronic billboard on independence square
Dat not true. If yuh doh praise yuhself...who go praise yuh?
Ent yuh could give yuhself silk?
:beermug: YUH PREACH DEY
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TOP COPS QUIT
...PM announces resignation of Gibbs, Ewatski
By Anna Ramdass anna.ramdass@trinidadexpress.com
Story Created: Jul 30, 2012 at 10:43 PM ECT
Story Updated: Jul 30, 2012 at 11:09 PM ECT
Commissioner of Police Dwayne Gibbs and Deputy Commissioner of Police Jack Ewatski have tendered their resignations which will take effect on August 7, Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar announced last night.
In the same breath, a tough-talking Persad-Bissessar assured that curbing crime is her Government’s main priority and new measures will be announced in the coming weeks to deal with the pressing problem.
A special Cabinet meeting was convened yesterday at the Diplomatic Centre, St Ann’s to discuss the issue.
At just after 8 p.m. the Prime Minister delivered her five-minute address.
Persad-Bissessar said she was advised that the Police Service Commission (PSC) met and considered the resignation letters of Gibbs and Ewatski which were dated July 26, 2012.
Both men were hired in September 2010, and were paid million-dollar annual salaries along with several other perks.
She read a release from the PSC which advised of the resignations and the Commission’s commitment to managing the transition process of appointing a new CoP and deputy.
The PSC, she said, is engaged in the process of appointing persons to fill the vacancies.
“On behalf of the Government and people of Trinidad and Tobago I wish to thank Commissioner Gibbs and deputy Commissioner Ewatski for their service. We stand ready to support the new acting Commissioner of Police and other deputy Commissioners and we pray for their success,” said Persad-Bissessar.
“...Rest assured that all necessary resources will be placed at the disposal of those reposed with the authority and responsibility of getting the job done quickly and effectively,” she added.
Gibbs and Ewatski, both Canadians, who were selected by the PSC in 2010 to fill the posts of top cops and approved by Parliament. Since their appointments they have been the subject of criticism over the spiralling murder rate.
Persad-Bissessar said last night that there is an urgency to guarantee the nation’s safety and security.
“No measure will be spared against those who seek to terrorise and brutalise our elderly folk, our women, our children and our men. The national outrage has reached a stage where everyone agrees that stronger and more aggressive initiatives are required,” she said.
“We must channel this sense of outrage into an army of resistance involving our law-abiding citizens. The battle lines are clearly drawn, we are confident that good will prevail over evil,” she added.
“Ours is a duty of hard action to be taken against those who wish to threaten public safety at any level and we will deal with them in the full force of the law,” said Persad-Bissessar.
Persad-Bissessar, as head of the National Security Council, said that several “major shifts” in policy and programmes were identified to arrest the issue of crime as Government’s number one priority.
National Security Minister Jack Warner, she said, will announce these changes in the next few weeks.
Even as calls have been made for Warner to be fired from her Cabinet, given the latest findings by the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) report, the Prime Minister called on the nation to support Warner. Earlier this month, the international tribunal made damning findings against Warner in his involvement in a May 2011 meeting involving Caribbean football officials and former FIFA presidential candidate Mohamed Bin Hammam.
“I ask that you give him all of our support as you will give to those who will fill the vacancies created in the Police Service,” she appealed. Deputy Commissioner Stephen Williams is tipped to fill the void.
“We will work to create tactical and intelligence units of the joint services that will become the pride of law enforcement and the terror of the underworld. Together with you our citizens of Trinidad and Tobago we will emancipate ourselves from the burden of fear, from the burden of lawlessness and unbridled violence,” said the Prime Minister.
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Just thinking....many people criticised these guys salaries. But TT$6 million for over two years is better value than TT$12 million for a day with Shaq!
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Just thinking....many people criticised these guys salaries. But TT$6 million for over two years is better value than TT$12 million for a day with Shaq!
But like yuh doh understand TTians in truth :devil:
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I wonder how much tax payer $$$$$ they were paid to leave .
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I find Gibbs shoulda throw he frame since the Nizam Mohammed incident. That said he is now being removed so that the pee pee puppet Williams could be installed. Just like the SOE, I have a funny feeling deep inside mih that ah just cyar shake.....
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I find Gibbs shoulda throw he frame since the Nizam Mohammed incident. That said he is now being removed so that the pee pee puppet Williams could be installed. Just like the SOE, I have a funny feeling deep inside mih that ah just cyar shake.....
Williams want 2 b COP so he go b happy like pappy.
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I find Gibbs shoulda throw he frame since the Nizam Mohammed incident. That said he is now being removed so that the pee pee puppet Williams could be installed. Just like the SOE, I have a funny feeling deep inside mih that ah just cyar shake.....
These people are so predictable with their agenda it eh funny.....steups!!
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I find Gibbs shoulda throw he frame since the Nizam Mohammed incident. That said he is now being removed so that the pee pee puppet Williams could be installed. Just like the SOE, I have a funny feeling deep inside mih that ah just cyar shake.....
These people are so predictable with their agenda it eh funny.....steups!!
Too bad lots of people didnt predict that on May 23rd 2010 before they voted for them the next day.
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Jack Warner wanted gibbs out from the start.
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No regrets
By Andre Bagoo and Darcel Choy
Wednesday, August 1 2012
T&T Newsday
POLICE COMMISSIONER Dwayne Gibbs and Deputy Commissioner Jack Ewatski — who both said they had “no regrets” over their time in Trinidad — stand to get a golden handshake of at least $2.6 million assuming a payoff based on the terms and conditions of their contracts.
The payment would be part of a larger bill totalling $10.6 million from their recruitment all the way to their leaving office.
Both men, who resigned by way of letters dated last Friday, had three-year contracts with the State and yesterday issued a statement which aimed to convey the impression that they will demit office on amicable terms.
A joint statement from both men was issued at a briefing at the Police Administration Building at Edward Street, Port-of-Spain.
“We have no regrets accepting the positions and we hope that Trinidad and Tobago will become a more peaceful place,” they said.
“We wish to assure the national community that our decision made was based on our own personal reasons,” they said, without elaborating. “We are happy to be able to put certain measures in place which we hope will continue to make the public of Trinidad and Tobago feel safer and secure.”
“We recognise, however, there is still much more to be done and we are certain that the fine officers in the organisation will continue to serve the citizens of Trinidad and Tobago to the best of their ability.” They listed some of their achievements as including: a 25 percent reduction in homicides; the establishment of a “professional standards unit”; the introduction of “modern policing approaches such as an air support” and the 21st Century policing programme, which was a sticking point with National Security Minister Jack Warner.
Both men signed contracts with the Ministry of National Security on September 20, 2010, in which they contracted certain terms above and beyond those set out by the Salaries Review Commission (SRC) for their respective posts.
Condition 14 (a) of the contract clearly states that the post-holder is to give the State at least three-month’s notice before resigning, failing which is to pay the State at least three month’s salary.
It is unclear if the State has enforced this term, amid reports that both men would have been in receipt of departure packages.
Gibbs got a monthly salary of $72,592 (styled as an “inducement allowance”) in addition to the SRC’s set salary of $25,000. Other entitlements included: travel allowance ($3,250); duty allowance ($2,650); telephone allowance ($500); a monthly “travel grant” ($5,000) and a housing allowance ($6,450). Ewatski had the same monthly arrangement, but his “inducement allowance” was $52,950.
Including an assumed “golden handshake” comprising one year’s salary, both men would have got a total of $2.6 million. Their total three-year take would be $7.6 million.
Add the cost of their recruitment under the PSC, the total process of their selection and employment cost an estimated $10.6 million.
Warner yesterday said the question of if the two Canadians would have to be compensated for the balance of their contract term would have to be answered by the acting Attorney General Ganga Singh.
Warner said although he disagreed with Gibb’s crime-fighting measures, it did not mean they did not have a social relationship.
“I did not disagree with him personally,” Warner told reporters at Piarco International Airport, where he and Government officials assembled for the arrival of Nigerian President Goodluck Jonathan.
Asked if Gibbs and Ewatski had resigned of their own will, he answered, “You think you could put a gun to their backs and they would resign? You think they could hold their hands and tell them sign here? They resigned of their own free will.” He said it was the PSC who informed Government of their resignations.
“The people resigned. It was considered by the PSC. The commission accepted the resignations. The Cabinet was informed by the PSC of the resignations and the Cabinet then accepted the terms and conditions. The fact remains the commission advised that they were processing the situation to find a replacement,” said Warner.
Asked if he had met with the PSC before the top cops quit, Warner replied, “Ramesh (Deosaran, PSC chairman) was in Florida, I was in Trinidad.”
He said there was a National Security Council meeting but did not disclose what was discussed.
On what impact the resignations would have, Warner said, “the war on crime does not revolve around two people, it revolves around the TT Police Service and the law-abiding citizens of this country and therefore the fight against crime is in no way diminished.
However, he said he intends to find out why Gibbs and Ewatski resigned before their last day in office on August 7.
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Who have regrets over free money.
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I find Gibbs shoulda throw he frame since the Nizam Mohammed incident. That said he is now being removed so that the pee pee puppet Williams could be installed. Just like the SOE, I have a funny feeling deep inside mih that ah just cyar shake.....
These people are so predictable with their agenda it eh funny.....steups!!
Too bad lots of people didnt predict that on May 23rd 2010 before they voted for them the next day.
Oh gorm boy.....dat one hit mih below de belt..... ;D
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$2.4m for top cops
Govt approves ex-gratia payments following resignations of Gibbs, Ewatski
By Jensen LaVende (express).
THE State has taken a decision to make a total ex gratia payment of over $2 million to Canadian top cops Dwayne Gibbs and Jack Ewatski, following their resignations announced on Monday by Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar.
The men, who signed a three-year contract in 2010, resigned 14 months before their term came to an end, amid continuous criticisms about their performance.
In a news release issued by the Attorney General's office, Acting Attorney General Ganga Singh said the men are to be paid following a recommendation approved by the National Security Council and the Cabinet.
"The Attorney General (Ag) advises that consequent upon the resignation of the Commissioner of Police, Dr Dwayne Gibbs, and the Depu- ty Commissioner of Police, Mr Jack Ewatski, the payment of ex gratia sums in the amount of $1,277,420 and $1,210,307 respectively were recommended to, and approved by, both the National Security Council and the Cabinet," the news release said.
Singh added that the recommendation was made after "consideration of all relevant facts and is in keeping with applicable industrial relations practice and the highest standards of governance".
"In a tense and highly challenging environment, both Dr Gibbs and Mr Ewatski performed their duties courageously. Their premature departure leaves an unexpired term of 14 months under their contracts of employment, with a before tax value of $1,684,557.33 and $1,590,073.33 respectively. The agreed ex gratia payments are intended to assist both gentlemen in their resettling efforts," Singh said.
In a telephone interview with the Express yesterday, Singh said the men would receive the money at the end of their service (August 7), "in recognition of service rendered".
He added that the payment was nothing new as former High Court judge Herbert Volney, when he resigned from the judiciary to contest the 2010 general election, the then Cabinet took a decision to give him an ex gratia payment.
Asked about the perception that the ex gratia payment may be the Government's way of avoiding a breach of contract lawsuit, Singh said: "Commissioner Dwayne Gibbs was very clear he was leaving because of personal reasons; there is no question about that. That does not arise at all. When Mr Volney accepted the ex gratia payment, was that a similar situation? No! The issue of that does not arise at all."
He added that the money was not a buy-out either.
In the release, Singh extended his best wishes to Gibbs and Ewatski in their future endeavours.
Speaking to members of the media prior to the start of Emancipation Day celebrations outside the Treasury Building in Port of Spain yesterday, Singh said when the resignation was brought to the National Security Council, he was part of the discussion.
Asked whether the Government offered to reject the men's resignation, Singh said the acceptance and rejection was a matter for the Police Service Commission (PSC). Asked about the perception that the men were hounded out of office, Singh said Gibbs stated he resigned for personal reasons.
Also commenting on the issue at the celebrations was Minister of National Security Jack Warner, who distanced himself from having anything to do with the men's early departure.
When asked if the early departure of the men had anything to do with investigations surrounding FIFA's accusation of impropriety by Warner, the minister said: "That makes so much of foolishness. In the first place, I keep telling you guys, what you are looking for, with respect from FIFA, nothing exist. I don't see how a remote and foolish matter like that could have any role to play in all of this. You are selling these two men short to say that, and I want to apologise to them for that statement you have just made. Don't do that; the two men, they have come here, they have given of their best, and let them leave in peace, but don't damage their image and their character."
Asked how he would rate the men's performance, Warner, who denied he was critical of Gibbs but rather "his efforts and lack thereof", said that was a matter for the PSC and not him since he has been in the position for only 29 days. He added that his criticisms "may well be" a reason for their early departure, but both men did not state why they were resigning and he did not ask.
Gibbs, who was paid a monthly salary of $120,325.52 before tax, and Ewatski, who was paid $113,576.66 monthly, both resigned from their positions via letter to the PSC on July 26. During her nationwide address on Monday night, Persad-Bissessar informed the public that the men's resignation was accepted and was effective as of August 7.
Deputy Commissioner of Police Stephen Williams, who was a contender for the CoP position in 2010, has been appointed by the PSC to act in the position until January of next year.
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Resign but still getting paid off? Resigned under their own volition? Hmm...sure.
So would Williams be getting the same salary or something less since he doh hadda worry bout housing and relocation etc?
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Who have regrets over free money.
Ent!!!!!
Dem fellahs make out better than any beetham bandit.........come dong to the carribean empty handed and leave as millionaires
no wonder jack have ah action man rep. look how quick he get rid of them two leeches from the taxpayers trough
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Resign but still getting paid off? Resigned under their own volition? Hmm...sure.
This government feel that people is fool... and on present evidence who could blame them? You trying to tell me them fellas resign and they each get a full year's salary as a parting gift? The de "action man" heself say he knows nothing about the circumstances of the separation... but is the National Security Council who approve the payoff? Ent he is National Security Minister.. or maybe he was acting as Minister of Sport at that time and turn off he National Security duties fuh de weekend.
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Last doubles for Ewatski on way out
By Geisha Kowlessar (T&T Guardian)
Doubles with slight pepper, roti and ox-tail soup have become his favourite local dishes. Former deputy police commissioner Jack Ewatski is hoping to find such cuisine in his hometown of Winnipeg, Canada, which he boasts as having a wide array of West Indian dishes. “There is much local cuisine that I will miss. Before I get on the aircraft I’ll probably go over to the doubles stand and have a last doubles,” Ewatski said yesterday. In an interview yesterday at the Police Administration Building, Port-of-Spain, Ewatski pledged his support to the country and to newly-appointed acting Police Commissioner Stephen Williams. Spending his final hours packing away files, Ewatski also tided his closet containing his khaki uniforms and dark brown shoes, which were returned to the Police Service. In a farewell luncheon at Police Administration Building yesterday, Ewatski said he was heartened by the words of encouragement of his former staff, including clerks. He added: “Many people had expressed to me the value they thought that I brought to the TTPS in my short period of time here and that makes me feel very good. “Many of them have told me what memories they are going to have of me and what type of impression that I have left in their minds, both professionally and personally. That makes me feel really good and it reinforces I did add something of value to this organisation.”
Saying he has had very good talks with Williams even before his acting appointment, Ewatski described his relationship with Williams as courteous and professional. He said: “I have had some very good talks with Mr Williams. I reinforced the fact that we needed to work together, we need to tap in competencies and the skills of everybody within the organisation whether it be at the senior level... at all ranks in the organisation. “Some of the best ideas come from the lower ranks and we needed to really utilise that... and let people use imagination on how that can improve the Police Service,” Ewatski said. He also wished Williams the best of luck in his new portfolio, adding the role of Police Commissioner was a “tough job.” He said: “Whether it be the Commissioner of Police in Trinidad and Tobago or the chief of police somewhere else, it is a very difficult job. “There are many things which you have to balance. I think Mr Williams has got a very strong team and I told him whenever he wants to communicate I certainly would be interested and I am interested because I have invested in the future of this police organisation.” He said Williams’ response to final talks also was very encouraging. Ewatski also expressed confidence in Williams’ ability to effectively tackle crime and to properly command his charges.
He added: “I always have had a very good relationship with Mr Williams and he knows what needs to be done in terms of addressing the issue of crime but also in terms of the transformation of the Police Service. “We are on the same page in terms of wanting to strengthen this Police Service and I know he has some of his own ideas. He’s going to build on some of the things that have occurred over the last two years and I am encouraged by that.” He said his discussions with Williams also extended to the new deputy police commissioners as part of implementing strategies and improving the organisation. Ewatski, however, urged all officers to strive to rebuild the public confidence, saying this was a primary factor in tackling crime. He said: “Building public confidence is absolutely critical and everybody needs to continue to work on that and never take it for granted that you have the public trust and confidence just because we are the police. “We need to continue to build that and without that we are not going to move ahead. As a Police Service we are not going to be more effective if we don’t build on that. I know Mr Williams and the other members of the executive understand that too.” The impression which Ewatski also hopes to leave behind are his management skills. He said treating people with respect and dignity were also crucial in managing an efficient Police Service. He added: “Many of them commented on my management style and I hope they see the value of that... in treating people in a very humanistic way. “It’s very important, whether it be the very junior officers or the very senior officers, people have to be treated as human beings.”
He described his fondest memories since coming to Trinidad and Tobago almost two years ago was the warmth of the people and the friendships he has forged within the Police Service and in the various communities. He added: “Despite all the bacchanal that goes on constantly in the country, I have had tremendous interaction with people who are genuinely warm and friendly and I have been embraced by many people in this country and they made me feel very comfortable. “That was important... being far away from home in a very difficult challenging position... to be able to develop relationships with people. This has been very supportive to me and that has given me the strength that goes well beyond my family I have at home. “Obviously my family have always been supportive but having the support of people locally has been important and that will be fondest memory... those quality individuals who I have had the honour to have some interaction with and build relationships with.”
(http://www.guardian.co.tt/sites/default/files/field/image/EWATSKI%20LAST%20DAY.png)
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Dem two canadians get back bite from the government, lol, the opposition could not have scripted this any better, SoE when they absent, make dem scape goats, bad talk everything they tried...I cannot undersatnd why???
Trouble is the opposition silence is deafening