Soca Warriors Online Discussion Forum
Sports => Football => Topic started by: Tallman on November 26, 2010, 08:17:06 PM
-
T&T go down 2-0 to Cuba.
digicelfootball.com.
Cuba opened the Digicel Caribbean Cup Finals here in Martinique in fine style by beating Trinidad and Tobago 2-0.
After comprehensively wining Group F, 2006 Digicel champions Trinidad and Tobago started brightly and after a well rehearsed short corner routine Keon Daniel worked his way to the edge of the Cuban box and smashed his shot across the goal and just wide.
Cuba then took the game to the Caribbean heavyweights and passed the ball with purpose, looking dangerous as they swept forward. Duarte Pla had managed to impress enough to keep his starting place in the Cuban team and was keen to justify his selection as he led the line well causing considerable trouble to Kern Cupid at the heart of the Trinidad defence..
It was the impressive midfield general and Captain Jaine Valencia who opened the scoring between these two giants when the ball broke kindly for him on the edge of the box and he smashed it past a flying Williams from 18 yards on the half volley to put the Cubans one up.
Rather than the expected immediate fightback the growing crowd expected, it was the Cubans who continued to dominate and looked more likely to increase their lead as the half wore on with Duarte Pla and Campanioni a constant thorn in the side of the Trinidad defence.
Half time saw coach Latapy ring out the changes as Cyrus and Gay came on to add more potency to the Soca Warriors attack.
The changes however seemed to have little effect as the Cubans steamrolled over the Soca boys in midfield and only for a previous infringement that ruled out a second goal for Cuba, things could have been a lot worse.
The game ebbed and flowed and two decisive changes from Cuban coach Triana paid dividends after only two minutes when the substitutes combined to score Cuba’s second and move the game beyond the reach of Trinidad.
After some neat build up play from the back, a lacklustre Trinidad defense was found missing when Balmaseda broke free and when left with a one on one with the keeper selflessly squared for Salor, whose initial shot, although blocked on the line by a retreating defender, was happily smashed into the roof of the net by a jubilant Balmaseda on the rebound.
Things turned from bad to worse for Trinidad after that as Peltier was given a straight red for an off the ball incident spotted by the watchful eye of the assistant referee Venton Mars.
With Cuban centre half Molina eating up any attempt of a Trinidad fightback, the Cubans were content to take the little that Soca Warriors had to offer and see out their opening Digicel Cup Finals game with a win.
For the Soca Warriors it would not have been the start they wanted or that their under pressure coach Latapy would have wished for but with the team looking less impressive and void of any real ideas in going forward, one worries for their future ambitions in the tournament.
The Digicel Cup Finals will be played from November 26 through to December 5 in Martinique with live television broadcast worldwide courtesy of Digicel as well as live radio coverage, images and updates on www.digicelfootball.com.
Teams
Trinidad &Tobago: - 1.Jan Michael Williams; 5.Kern Cupid, 3.Yohance Marshall (6.Daneil Cyrus 46th) 12.Julius James, 14.Joevin Jones; 2.Clyde Leon (capt), 8.Trent Noel (7.Hughtun Hector 67th), 15.Lester Peltier (Red 84'), 19.Keon Daniel, 4.Kerry Baptiste (17.Jamal Gay 46th), 9.Devon Jorsling.
Coach: - Russell Latapy.
Cuba: - 1.Odelin Molina Hernandez, 2.Carlos D. Francisco Serrano, 3.Jeniet Marquez Molina, 4.Hanier Dranguet Cantillo, 6.Yoel Colome (17.J Valencia), 7.Marcel Hernandez Companioni, 8.Jaine Colome Valencia (capt), 11.Sander Fernandez Cervantes (13.Adonis Soler 78th), 14.Aliannis Urgelles Montoya, 15.Armando Curumeaux Isidoro, 19.Leonel Duarte Pla (10.Roberto Balmaseda 78th).
Coach: - Raul Gonzalez Triana.
Standings
P W D L F A Pts
Cuba 1 1 0 0 2 0 3
Grenada 1 0 1 0 1 1 1
Martinique 1 0 1 0 1 1 1
Trinidad & Tobago 1 0 0 1 0 2 0
Referee: Stanley Lancaster.
Assistant Referee 1: Venton Mars
Assistant Referee 2: Graeme Browne
Match Commissioner: Dale Spencer (Jamaica)
-
wow. im speechless really.
-
wow. im speechless really.
Y wit we football always hope 4 d best but expect dat want happen 2nite will happen.
-
why everybody surprised... despite de improved results against St Vincent, Guyana and Haiti (hear dem teams nah) ... how much better were de performances? :-\
-
why everybody surprised... despite de improved results against St Vincent, Guyana and Haiti (hear dem teams nah) ... how much better were de performances? :-\
Boi after I c dat JA game I done I c nuff crap under MATS but dat game v JA make me change direction.
-
After comprehensively wining Group F
Trinis always wining on something.
-
why everybody surprised... despite de improved results against St Vincent, Guyana and Haiti (hear dem teams nah) ... how much better were de performances? :-\
ent! people get loss in a fantasy after we beat them teams. People like they fraid the truth. When you bad talk the team or coach, u gone against. Not a single man who was defending the team and latas talking now. You go see if we win the next game how they go jump on they hole, and is party again.
-
After comprehensively wining Group F
Trinis always wining on something.
:rotfl: Eman oh gawdddddddwhy everybody surprised... despite de improved results against St Vincent, Guyana and Haiti (hear dem teams nah) ... how much better were de performances? :-\
ent! people get loss in a fantasy after we beat them teams. People like they fraid the truth. When you bad talk the team or coach, u gone against. Not a single man who was defending the team and latas talking now. You go see if we win the next game how they go jump on they hole, and is party again.
D national bird should b an ostrich we luv 2 bury we head in d sand and because yuh critical yuh is a waggonist. NONESENSE I supportin meh team but d days of goin through hoops/changing meh schedule eh happenin that eh mean I eh supporting meh side. But at some point JULIA ROBERTS NEED 2 SHOW UP AND SAY ENOUGHHHHHHHHHHH.
-
Stop drinkin de kool aid people
-
Stop drinkin de kool aid people
It worked so well 4 Jim Jones etal so we drinkin and drinkin and drinkin.
-
wow. im speechless really.
Why .... lol
-
After comprehensively wining Group F
Trinis always wining on something.
:rotfl: Eman oh gawdddddddwhy everybody surprised... despite de improved results against St Vincent, Guyana and Haiti (hear dem teams nah) ... how much better were de performances? :-\
ent! people get loss in a fantasy after we beat them teams. People like they fraid the truth. When you bad talk the team or coach, u gone against. Not a single man who was defending the team and latas talking now. You go see if we win the next game how they go jump on they hole, and is party again.
D national bird should b an ostrich we luv 2 bury we head in d sand and because yuh critical yuh is a waggonist. NONESENSE I supportin meh team but d days of goin through hoops/changing meh schedule eh happenin that eh mean I eh supporting meh side. But at some point JULIA ROBERTS NEED 2 SHOW UP AND SAY ENOUGHHHHHHHHHHH.
Until we start winning again consistently and we're an arms length from the WC in brazil.
the only thing could make me stop support the team is the administration, whether we winnin or losin, if the administration disruptive then i eh want tuh support the team under those circumstances, but we dun know it would take time and ah gallant effort tuh remove them, but until then, the boys need the support! and what you doing is not consistent with being supportive.
-
why everybody surprised... despite de improved results against St Vincent, Guyana and Haiti (hear dem teams nah) ... how much better were de performances? :-\
ent! people get loss in a fantasy after we beat them teams. People like they fraid the truth. When you bad talk the team or coach, u gone against. Not a single man who was defending the team and latas talking now. You go see if we win the next game how they go jump on they hole, and is party again.
Ah callin out KND and andre samuel, allyuh comment nah.
We get some wins vs minnows and they start to preen.
-
wow. im speechless really.
Why .... lol
Out of embarassment really!
-
I goin brazil in 2014 yes...me eh know bout the national team though.
-
I goin brazil in 2014 yes...me eh know bout the national team though.
Dais wha we talking bout!!!.... :beermug: :beermug:
-
aye look...we had a game today...
-
anil will be firing on all cylinders if latas fail to win the whole thing
-
anil will be firing on all cylinders if latas fail to win the whole thing
FYI, anil cannot fire latas, it will be in direct violation to fifa rules. the most he could do is hold back on funding if the federation don't fire him.
-
I just saw this result while watching Birchall play for LA in Australia. He is technically better and has a better workrate than any of our current midfielders. I really wonder about the reasoning for him not being on the team.
-
aye look...we had a game today...
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Oh lawd Midknight ah weak!!!!
-
Jack probably done have he foreign coach line up for after this tournament. This might very well be Latas' last hurrah.
-
Same thing I said, I will give Latas resect when he deserve it. We beat St Vincent, scrape pass Guyana !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and beat a Haitian under 23 side and everbody jumping on Latapy toetee.
Latas is a dunce yo !!!
Ah hope Martinique beat we too, this is the only way we will get rid of Latapy, Ross, David Muhummad and Lincoln.
We got flase hope after we beat some weak teams and Latas feel he ready....
Did he even do his home work ?
As I said, everybody happy until we next defeat.
-
Totally unacceptable!!!
And from the 'independent' match report it seemed like men vs boys....
Lets see what David Mohammed and Latas say about this....
Soca Warrior for life!!!!
-
Ah hope Martinique beat we too, this is the only way we will get rid of Latapy, Ross, David Muhummad and Lincoln.
We have bigger problems dan dem.
-
I goin brazil in 2014 yes...me eh know bout the national team though.
Dais wha we talking bout!!!.... :beermug: :beermug:
ENT WIT OR WITOUTJack probably done have he foreign coach line up for after this tournament. This might very well be Latas' last hurrah.
Yuh sayin dat like yuh not sure. Leh we hope he last out d tournament b4 d axe get drop.
-
2 - 0 is not a good results.
but this sort of thing happens.
Lets see how the team responds
-
Latas is just a VERY small part of a bigger problem.Is only 2 men in the last 20 something yrs were allowed to pick the players dey wanted, one was Gally and the other was Bennie.All other coaches must get a stamp of approval for team selection.Some even had the players selected for them.
We must get to the root of the problem first,but that seem to be had to come by with all these secret elections.
-
2 - 0 is not a good results.
but this sort of thing happens.
Lets see how the team responds
Nice, my yute. Nuff said rite dey, talk tuh dem fuh meh. Ah still standing firm for my Latapy, meh back against de wall wid meh T** n**e and ah not backing down. If Latapy fail, I will be de first to admit I was wrong. Nuff days ah checking out de forum, as ah guest and just reading posts from de bunch ah 2 face members here. Is not too many, but we definitely have a few of dem here. Like I said a long time ago, is bare bowllate fuh all yuh, straight. Like I said before, some ah all yuh probably do have ah life or do not get any forkin sex.
Miami Heat
I does keep it real. So wid dat said, I will be de first to admit dat I am disappointed and sort of embarrassed wid de way meh team playing so far. Seeing that de coaching staff still trying to figure things out, between now and early March I can live wid losing to Boston, Orlando, Lakers, Denver, Oklahoma, Chicago(may be) and ah might even squeze in Atlanta, cuz dey known for showing up in de regular season and choking in de first round of de playoffs. But yuh see de Indiana, Memphis, Timberwolves, Jersey, Toronto, etc, tuh lose tuh dem, is what does hurt meh. Any way, as long as Riley dey, de team will work out dey problem very soon, ah not panicking and ah not worried at all, and ah mean dat. HIGHLY BLESSED.
-
2 - 0 is not a good results.
but this sort of thing happens.
Lets see how the team responds
i hope they respond positive, because it have no more excuses. although people still finding them
-
Latas is one loss away from losing his job!
That is sad....!
-
PSYCHO-ANLYSIS OF A YOUNG TEAM.
In trying to get a young team to conform to a standard of football they are not accustomed to as yet takes time, and time is not what Latas has.
It seems Latas has not learned from previous managers of T&T football and even in Jamaica who tried to go the local route in rebuilding the national team but failed.
Losing to Cuba was not surprising; an experience team will have a psychological edge most of time over a young team.
An experience player knows what it takes mentally to play international football. To make the necessary adjustments throughout the course of a game and not get confuse with respect to what the opponent is doing.
On the other hand the inexperience player gets confused easily; he’s in unfamiliar territory and finds it difficult to adjust. When he looks around it’s happening to most of his team mates.
What’s he to do tell the players to give him the ball, or to slow down the pace, or say to his team mates make short passes instead of long ones, we need to be more compact defensively etc? A young player does not assume this kind of responsibility of being the coach on the field; he’s having enough trouble worrying about how he’s playing.
Of all the positions on the field no coach can compromise having too many inexperience in midfield; Latas having mostly inexperience players in midfield is either into wishful thinking or doesn't the difference between the two. This is the engine room, can‘t compromise there.
Very few inexperience player (though talented) can just adapt to the mental challenges encountered at this level of footballl.
Latas should have learnt a while back when his team struggled against weaker Caribbean teams, that the local base players are not ready for top flight football; that they needed to be groomed for top flight football not just inserted into it indiscriminately.
-
Of all the positions on the field no coach can compromise having too many inexperience in midfield; Latas having mostly inexperience players in midfield is either into wishful thinking or doesn't the difference between the two. This is the engine room, can‘t compromise there. [/color] This statement also indicates the inexperience of the coach. Remember what he said after the second Jamaica game? " We had trouble adjusting defensively in the midfield...Jamacia played in a 3-5-2 and we usually play against teams who play in a 4-4-2..." Experienced coaches know that whenever you have a 4-4-2 vs 3-5-2 you will always have problems in the midfield because you are outnumbered. There is also an indication that the team was not prepared to deal with any other tactical approach by the opponent, which seems to be the case in every game where we are playing against teams with competent players and coaches. If the coach cannot present a clear tactical plan with defined responsibilities for each of the players and their units and without a decisive approach to attacking and defending scenarios as a team...you asking your players to just play football and that's not good enough.
Further, when I hear that players performance attitude is lackluster I have to think about their motivation...I really wonder how motivated these players are for the following reasons...
1. Have they been paid for their services from the previous set of games...if players did not get paid after playing in a World Cup...what is the likelyhood of me getting paid for Caribbean qulifying games????
2. If the coach is trying to use predominantly inexperienced players for this stage of qualifying...where do I stand once we qualify????
3. If the coach is not presenting us with a clear tactical plan and has not provided a long therm strategy towards building a competitive team...how much confidnce do the players have in the coach????
-
1. Have they been paid for their services from the previous set of games...if players did not get paid after playing in a World Cup...what is the likelyhood of me getting paid for Caribbean qulifying games????
from what Shaka say, they were not paid, prior to d last 3 games they play in Trinidad. Don't know if they get paid yet
-
Of all the positions on the field no coach can compromise having too many inexperience in midfield; Latas having mostly inexperience players in midfield is either into wishful thinking or doesn't the difference between the two. This is the engine room, can‘t compromise there. [/color] This statement also indicates the inexperience of the coach. Remember what he said after the second Jamaica game? " We had trouble adjusting defensively in the midfield...Jamacia played in a 3-5-2 and we usually play against teams who play in a 4-4-2..." Experienced coaches know that whenever you have a 4-4-2 vs 3-5-2 you will always have problems in the midfield because you are outnumbered. There is also an indication that the team was not prepared to deal with any other tactical approach by the opponent, which seems to be the case in every game where we are playing against teams with competent players and coaches. If the coach cannot present a clear tactical plan with defined responsibilities for each of the players and their units and without a decisive approach to attacking and defending scenarios as a team...you asking your players to just play football and that's not good enough.
Further, when I hear that players performance attitude is lackluster I have to think about their motivation...I really wonder how motivated these players are for the following reasons...
1. Have they been paid for their services from the previous set of games...if players did not get paid after playing in a World Cup...what is the likelyhood of me getting paid for Caribbean qulifying games????
2. If the coach is trying to use predominantly inexperienced players for this stage of qualifying...where do I stand once we qualify????
3. If the coach is not presenting us with a clear tactical plan and has not provided a long therm strategy towards building a competitive team...how much confidnce do the players have in the coach????
I heard someone said on another thread "that rebuilding shouldn't be about starting from scratch, but about building from what was." dat eh true word.
We all know Latas is inexperience, but that shouldn't mean lacking football sense; his approach could be considered lacking football sense, or competence.
Fine, he choose a local base squad in prelims, by the end of the prelims he should have figure out that the local base will not cut it at a higher level if they struggled at a lesser level.
I don't know what Latas is thinking, but if his motivation was to build a inexperience side into a commanding one in short order then he's attempting something that has never being done in the Caribbean or the CONCACAF.
Fools Gold indeed; Either he's full of himself having a strange confidence in his unproven coaching ability, or he doesn't really understand football from a coaching standpoint.
All the great coaches will tell you; a team have to have the best players to compete and win; that they can't take mediocrity and make them great in short order.
-
I not putting all the blame for the team on Latapy.
I think he is doing a good job and is the right man for the job.
yes results are poor but everything takes time.
This will take time.
The other factor we have to look at is the caliber of men on the field.
we should beat the caribbean teams but talent wise we cannot be a force in concacaf at the moment
-
Andre say that Cornell suffer from JETLAG is why he eh play. Jetlag from USA 2 Martinque. He say that he will be playing 2mor.
-
I not putting all the blame for the team on Latapy.
I think he is doing a good job and is the right man for the job.
yes results are poor but everything takes time.
This will take time.
The other factor we have to look at is the caliber of men on the field.
we should beat the caribbean teams but talent wise we cannot be a force in concacaf at the moment
KND let's ignore results for the moment.
What indicators you have that Latas doin a good job?
I really curious.
-
Plead the 5th KND ....de man trying to lead you into the black hole ...from which there is no return ...you cannot defend the indefensible .... evidence too strong against you here ...and besides ...Perry Mason dead already :devil: