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Sports => Football => Topic started by: Flex on November 27, 2010, 10:02:05 AM
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Fenwick: T&T lacked commitment and coaching ideas.
By: Inshan Mohammed.
Terry Fenwick was a bit disappointed yesterday in T&T's performance against Cuba in their all important Digicel Caribbean Cup opener. Read what the current San Juan Jabloteh's head coach had to say in his latest match analysis report of the Trinidad and Tobago versus Cuba 2010 Digicel Caribbean Cup game.
The former England international is currently in Martinique covering the said tournament told the Soca Warriors Online (SWO) that Trinidad and Tobago side were beaten by a well organized Cuban team and that the Soca Warriors lacked commitment and coaching ideas.
"Fenwick added: T&T were out played here in Martinique by a good Cuban side and several things contributed to this poor T&T performance".
"Questions will be asked about the lack of commitment, tactical know how and amateurish performance at this stage of the competition. Clearly there is no confidence in the tactical and strategic plans of the coach".
1] - T&T were tactically inept.... and without a clue !!! All departments of the team, defense, midfield, and strikers were isolated and without a strategic game plan.
2] - It was clear T&T players were not familiar or prepared for their roles within the team mechanism. Too many obvious mistakes!
3] - The discipline was apparent from the start. Keon Daniel was fortunate not to see red for a stamping incident, Lester Peltier red card for an off the ball fracas. Mentally weak and unprepared, T&T conducted themselves very poorly!
4] - Woeful defensive performance yet again, defenders ball watching when T&T were on the attack. Cuba counter attacks should have reaped more goals. Clearly no work on the training field to ensure cohesion and structure when defending in games.
5] - T&T very pedestrian, rigid 4-4-2 formation with no interaction or rotation of players, very easy to play against. Substitutions were made but no changes to tactics or formation, very predictable and straight up and down.
6] - Unbelievable!! Cornell Glen included with much media coverage and not even on the bench. What was the point of including him?
7] - Body language of technical staff and several players asked the question - Can T&T progress past the group stage? Players are very disenchanted with the lackluster preparation and lack of tactical information leading into the game?
8] - Russell Latapy is clearly out of his depth and without support..... recipe for disaster!!!
"As I predicted Flex, Russell will be hung out to dry after this embarrassing result and performance. Cuba were made to look good only because we were so bad, we have good players looking awful because they haven't been coached or informed of their responsibility within the team structure..... very basic organization is missing."
"Grenada and Martinique looked poor to me, T&T should beat both of these sides but I just don't believe the players have any spirit or confidence in Russell, it could go very wrong if we don't get off to a good start against the next team, ended Fenwick."
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nice analysis.
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1] - T&T were tactically inept.... and without a clue !!! All departments of the team, defense, midfield, and strikers were isolated and without a strategic game plan.
4] - Woeful defensive performance yet again, defenders ball watching when T&T were on the attack. Cuba counter attacks should have reaped more goals. Clearly no work on the training field to ensure cohesion and structure when defending in games.
5] - T&T very pedestrian, rigid 4-4-2 formation with no interaction or rotation of players, very easy to play against. Substitutions were made but no changes to tactics or formation, very predictable and straight up and down.
the highlighted above is what i saw in august when i went and watch dem train and in de jamaica game..
no kind of aim in training... it was like a fete match atmosphere with no structure at all...
dis is a group of individuals and not a team being developed... my 2 cents :-\
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sos...fax immediately to RL
TO: the Coach
For : Your immediate attention. There are enough men looking to inherit your position. If people with know how resides in your yard, I do not understand why these same individuals are not offering assistance. Dropping by training sessions; faxing or texting; or twittering and offering you suggestions?
The buzzards / cobeauxs are circling; fuh yuh own good and fuh the good of a nation: lock yuh self up with all these players: get into a deep soul searching session fuh all man who want an international career in football, be it in coaching or playing, allyuh pray, allyuh do some visioning and at the end of the day all yuh come out and DOMINATE AND CUT GRENADA ARSE REAL BIG!!!!
END OF STORY..... STOP ALL THE
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I think Terry should focus on critiquing the shortcomings of the team and not that of the coach when you criticize the coach in public like that it looks as though your plan is to undermine someone to highlight someone else ...looks like an alternative agenda.... the players not understanding their roles didn't need to accompanied by they have no spirit or confidence in Russel..... he's just being a prick now.
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I think Terry should focus on critiquing the shortcomings of the team and not that of the coach when you criticize the coach in public like that
so who in charge of team not latas? i think the criticism should fall on everyone
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I think Terry should focus on critiquing the shortcomings of the team and not that of the coach when you criticize the coach in public like that
so who in charge of team not latas? i think the criticism should fall on everyone
With a performance like this isn't obvious where the blame falls?
I'm just saying no need to take puck shots ... it shows a different agenda not that there is a problem but
rather I obviously know better ... and the man is this bad and such.
He's being redundant he's stating the obvious with intent to maim!
For all the criticism we have heaped on the man it's never with intent to maim but rather to see improvement which unfortunately is coming right now.
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I think Terry should focus on critiquing the shortcomings of the team and not that of the coach when you criticize the coach in public like that
so who in charge of team not latas? i think the criticism should fall on everyone
With a performance like this isn't obvious where the blame falls?
I'm just saying no need to take puck shots ... it shows a different agenda not that there is a problem but
rather I obviously know better ... and the man is this bad and such.
He's being redundant he's stating the obvious with intent to maim!
For all the criticism we have heaped on the man it's never with intent to maim but rather to see improvement which unfortunately is coming right now.
ok i see where u coming from. It looks like everyone wants a piece of latas this rounds
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I think Terry should focus on critiquing the shortcomings of the team and not that of the coach when you criticize the coach in public like that
so who in charge of team not latas? i think the criticism should fall on everyone
With a performance like this isn't obvious where the blame falls?
I'm just saying no need to take puck shots ... it shows a different agenda not that there is a problem but
rather I obviously know better ... and the man is this bad and such.
He's being redundant he's stating the obvious with intent to maim!
For all the criticism we have heaped on the man it's never with intent to maim but rather to see improvement which unfortunately is coming right now.
ok i see where u coming from. It looks like everyone wants a piece of latas this rounds
Partnah I dunno which coaching role worse coaching England or TT .. :(
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What a great analysis from a consumate professional and ngozi no disrespect but fenwick was at the game and based on your response I'm to assume you were'nt,you no I often wonder if we're all reading the same thing fenwick clearly says the team as whole played with no life,he then proceeded to single out peltier and daniel for their poor play and lack of professionalism,then he took latas to task,look here latas when he took this job knew it was critism abound for failure to deliver and props if he did deliver it's a vicious circle from which we have evolved....
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In terms of the team and what they did or didn't do can't fault the statements.
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then he took latas to task,look here latas when he took this job knew it was critism abound for failure to deliver and props if he did deliver it's a vicious circle from which we have evolved....
General statement. I find that alot of people getting latas the player, mix up with latas the coach and cant take or make criticism about about him because it offends them. If you do they brand u "2 face" "gone against" and all sort of shit. The facts clear as day, something wrong , but some people just not seeing it.
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6] - Unbelievable!! Cornell Glen included with much media coverage and not even on the bench. What was the point of including him?
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Dis is d shit i cya understand with T&T football...he pick Glen...who not even playin for SJ Earthquakes at the moment... and Sealy who playin major minutes in their midfield eh get ah call...smdh
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6] - Unbelievable!! Cornell Glen included with much media coverage and not even on the bench. What was the point of including him?
Dis is d shit i cya understand with T&T football...he pick Glen...who not even playin for SJ Earthquakes at the moment... and Sealy who playin major minutes in their midfield eh get ah call...smdh
he drop spann for him too.
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Fenwick looking for a wok!
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Fenwick looking for a wok!
Maybe he should get it he can't be any worse than our present in latas.
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Fenwick looking for a wok!
Maybe he should get it he can't be any worse than our present in latas.
There can always be worse.
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Fenwick looking for a wok!
With the kind of money passing don't tell me you will not want it too.Coaching in T&T is too much pressah!!!!
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I mean has someone really sat down and mapped out what we want in a coach? Have we considered creating a profile of what our coach ought to bring to the table? Have we done a Needs Assessment to identify what are our specific goals and challenges we have for this coach? Which person best fits our context? who will be the selection committee and who will decided the agenda for this coach? How well could this coach work with our PFL?
Do we want a man to come in the last minute and take seasoned professionals and 'fine tune' what another coach was working on?
Do we want a coach who could train and develop potential talent?
Do we want a master tactician?
Do we want ah man who could build a solid cohesive system and have an organized team with a balance of scoring and defending?
Do we need a coach who could blend foreign talent with local?
Do we want a coach to just get us through to the WC?
I think those who are given that responsibility ought to make make public the criteria they are looking for in a person to coach our national team.
At this time, there appears to be a clamoring for a man with a reputation as oppose to examining the contextual needs of our situation.
Public debate and a public disclosure should focus on this if it's public taxpayers funds which would be used to subsidized the cost of coaches salaries.
Possible Porcesss
P.S. we starting with a blank slate: we will solicit responses from focus groups: THE PLF executive, the public, the player s local and foreign, the TTFF, ummm.. special advisor JW, umm.. former coaches, local coaches..... mouth men like A.Corneal....
Now we take all that information and we begin the process of finding common trends, common needs and gathering data on needs and the best fit.
We bring the group back together again to start looking at submitting names of possible candidates and examining which of these candidates best fits our profile.
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I mean has someone really sat down and mapped out what we want in a coach? Have we considered creating a profile of what our coach ought to bring to the table? Have we done a Needs Assessment to identify what are our specific goals and challenges we have for this coach? Which person best fits our context? who will be the selection committee and who will decided the agenda for this coach? How well could this coach work with our PFL?
Do we want a man to come in the last minute and take seasoned professionals and 'fine tune' what another coach was working on?
Do we want a coach who could train and develop potential talent?
Do we want a master tactician?
Do we want ah man who could build a solid cohesive system and have an organized team with a balance of scoring and defending?
Do we need a coach who could blend foreign talent with local?
Do we want a coach to just get us through to the WC?
I think those who are given that responsibility ought to make make public the criteria they are looking for in a person to coach our national team.
At this time, there appears to be a clamoring for a man with a reputation as oppose to examining the contextual needs of our situation.
Public debate and a public disclosure should focus on this if it's public taxpayers funds which would be used to subsidized the cost of coaches salaries.
Possible Porcesss
P.S. we starting with a blank slate: we will solicit responses from focus groups: THE PLF executive, the public, the player s local and foreign, the TTFF, ummm.. special advisor JW, umm.. former coaches, local coaches..... mouth men like A.Corneal....
Now we take all that information and we begin the process of finding common trends, common needs and gathering data on needs and the best fit.
We bring the group back together again to start looking at submitting names of possible candidates and examining which of these candidates best fits our profile.
as a country that went to the world cup...EXPERIENCE should be high on d list
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I think Terry should focus on critiquing the shortcomings of the team and not that of the coach when you criticize the coach in public like that it looks as though your plan is to undermine someone to highlight someone else ...looks like an alternative agenda.... the players not understanding their roles didn't need to accompanied by they have no spirit or confidence in Russel..... he's just being a prick now.
I don't know enough to speak to Fenwick's intent or mind state so I'm not trying to defend him from your criticism. That said however, Fenwick has always been a very outspoken person, direct in his comments, fair or foul. Everything he's said in this article to me is fair criticism. It is a brutal assessment of where we stood yesterday on the field, and where we now stand in general. The last time I criticized him a little bit for sounding like a broken record in his criticism of Latas. The criticism seemed gratuitous.
This time however he's apparently commenting in response to a request by Flex, and as such he's providing as thorough and as honest a report as possible. I suppose his comments will not earn him many friends locally... and might drive an even wider wedge between him and members of the local coaching fraternity. To be sure it will not earn him any favors within the TTFF.m If his agenda (as you see it) is to campaign for the job then he's gone about it all wrong. If his agenda (again, as you see it) is to undermine/maim Latas... then perhaps he's succeeding, but in reality most of Latas' injuries are self-inflicted.
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I think Terry should focus on critiquing the shortcomings of the team and not that of the coach when you criticize the coach in public like that it looks as though your plan is to undermine someone to highlight someone else ...looks like an alternative agenda.... the players not understanding their roles didn't need to accompanied by they have no spirit or confidence in Russel..... he's just being a prick now.
I don't know enough to speak to Fenwick's intent or mind state so I'm not trying to defend him from your criticism. That said however, Fenwick has always been a very outspoken person, direct in his comments, fair or foul. Everything he's said in this article to me is fair criticism. It is a brutal assessment of where we stood yesterday on the field, and where we now stand in general. The last time I criticized him a little bit for sounding like a broken record in his criticism of Latas. The criticism seemed gratuitous.
This time however he's apparently commenting in response to a request by Flex, and as such he's providing as thorough and as honest a report as possible. I suppose his comments will not earn him many friends locally... and might drive an even wider wedge between him and members of the local coaching fraternity. To be sure it will not earn him any favors within the TTFF.m If his agenda (as you see it) is to campaign for the job then he's gone about it all wrong. If his agenda (again, as you see it) is to undermine/maim Latas... then perhaps he's succeeding, but in reality most of Latas' injuries are self-inflicted.
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Well said. I fully agree. It raises the question about 'intent'. How complex is it to decipher one's intent from honest comments based on the perspective one is taking from observation.
One might agree that most fans want what is best for his/her team. Comments either out of frustration , anger, disappointment, may still be with some intent to see improvement and or better results coming from a fan.
Question is Fenwick a fan of TnT football or an aspiring coach who believes that given an opportunity to coach a national team could rectify the faults which are allegedly evident from his perspective as a footballer and coach?
Will his comments instill confidence in players who are from his club and are participants on the national team under the direction of the present coach or could his comments serve to undermine the present coach and his players sense of loyalty?
Is there a professional ethical protocol for how professional should provide feedback to another? We have not heard from Mr. Corneal for a while on his views of our team to date; we have heard from Mr Fenwick. People who have the best interest at heart for TnT, ought to have a guideline for when providing critiques in a public forum to another professional in my humble opinion. There are just too many high stakes 'fall outs' not including personal and professional collateral damages that could occur.
What could constructive criticism look like?:
1. Plan before you do it. Make sure you know what you want to say, and why. Have a clear path through the discussion. Leave room for questions and dialogue. Keep the conversation open and flexible, but make sure you plan to get your key points across.
2. Build the person up. Before you get to the criticism itself, focus on positives. Highlight some of the good work the person has done recently, goals that were met or surpassed. Emphasize positive, solid qualities that the person brings to the table. This isn’t about over-inflating egos or setting a person up for a fall; it’s about making sure the person understands they are valued and important, even if the next thing you’ll be doing is pointing out some problems.
3. Provide clear criticism. Now it’s time to bring your concerns to the table. Do it as concisely as possible. And as clearly as possible. Don’t waffle around. Get to the point. Your approach will differ depending on the person you’re speaking to; some would rather you spit it out, others require a slightly more delicate approach. Still, it’s best to make sure your criticisms are as clear as you can possibly make them. Otherwise it makes it difficult to set a clear path towards improvement.
4. Build the person up again. Focus on solutions. Focus on re-emphasizing the positive, while keeping an eye on what needs to be done to improve. Open it up for discussion…“What do you think of my assessment?” Or “What do you think of your recent performance?” The goal at the end of a session like this is to leave the employee understanding the problems, and having a path towards resolving them, without feeling like crap.
5. Follow up. This exercise should never be undertaken without follow up. It may be another meeting scheduled with the employee. It may be an impromptu session, where you review the progress made. If the person knows there’s follow up, they’re going to feel more confident that the criticism isn’t hanging over they’re heads forever. It’s not a permanent dark cloud. Follow up can erase constructive criticism, if the person has improved and met goals. Always follow up. Even if it’s a quick compliment on a job well-done and not a formal second review. Follow up.
Giving constructive criticism is part of being a boss. You need to evaluate employees and measure their success.
When providing constructive criticism you want to make sure you get the message across and set goals, without demoralizing or devaluing the person.
By Y. Yekovitz
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I think Terry should focus on critiquing the shortcomings of the team and not that of the coach when you criticize the coach in public like that
so who in charge of team not latas? i think the criticism should fall on everyone
With a performance like this isn't obvious where the blame falls?
I'm just saying no need to take puck shots ... it shows a different agenda not that there is a problem but
rather I obviously know better ... and the man is this bad and such.
He's being redundant he's stating the obvious with intent to maim!
For all the criticism we have heaped on the man it's never with intent to maim but rather to see improvement which unfortunately is coming right now.
ok i see where u coming from. It looks like everyone wants a piece of latas this rounds
Partnah I dunno which coaching role worse coaching England or TT .. :(
The England coaching job is provided with everything to ensure success. Funding, Training Camps, High level International Games, Staffing, no interference from a Special Adviser. The list goes on. Can we say the same for the T&T job.
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Fenwick looking for a wok!
he was offered the job of national coach 3 times before and rejected it
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I would agree with everything Terry saying... everything he said is true... we've all seen similar patterns through Latas time in charge
Very good analysis Terry... thanks
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Well I didn't see the game, however a 2-0 scoreline is a beating. Cuba have a good team and from what I read, it seems they did thier homework on us very well. The important thing is we didn't seem to have a plan against them.
How do you beat a counter attacking team? By been a cohesive unit and be patient. We are not a unit. This latapy squad have never looked as a mature, stable competent side of quality. To me this Tnt side looks like an intercol team. When they are tested, they have no answer.
Fenwick have more coaching experience than latas dispite what he said that may offend the TTFF, it mite hurt his future with the staff itself but it is well deserved. Also if the staff take any negativity in the well deserved critism, they should be removed.
TTFF is a big joke. A scandal, A private bizness to fix up their pockets and ruin this football culture for their own means.
Trinidad football is now the biggest joke in Caribbean football. Everyone is laughing thier asses off at us.
AND WE DESERVE IT. LATAS IS A CLUELESS BITCH.
I have no experience and sure i can do a way better job. Hire me and i will work for food because my country is above all.
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I think Terry should focus on critiquing the shortcomings of the team and not that of the coach when you criticize the coach in public like that
so who in charge of team not latas? i think the criticism should fall on everyone
With a performance like this isn't obvious where the blame falls?
I'm just saying no need to take puck shots ... it shows a different agenda not that there is a problem but
rather I obviously know better ... and the man is this bad and such.
He's being redundant he's stating the obvious with intent to maim!
For all the criticism we have heaped on the man it's never with intent to maim but rather to see improvement which unfortunately is coming right now.
That's :bs: Ngozi, this is a big man game. If yuh can't stand de heat get out the the oven. Fenwick is not out of podition to call Latapy out. Is not like he is just ah rum shop coach. Other coaches criticize the National team coach all the time. We in T&T does try to say man stabbing yuh in de back because they call a spade a spade. We need a different type of mentality now.
Since Mexico game in Mexico I tell alyuh Latas not making any tactical adjustment ( he never help out the fullback who was getting kill). See once we win men doesn't criticize we does take it and run. We eh care about the quality of the opposition or what we did in the game - we win. This i show many teeny boppers does support sports, only the result matter.
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As a coach preparing your team for a challenge is the main objective, this means scouting the other team, making sure you have players that can counter their style of play, look at the weakness and how best to use your team to get a result. When is the last time Latas checked out another team?
This is a horrible result, losing to cuba? Really? This is the worse tnt team in the history of our football.
Which coach blames the players"? Oh yea my boy Trappatoni when he was in germany? Bayern lol. Unforgettable!
I would love to see Capello come out and say "we lorse b.c rooney is shit"
LOL. This team is going nowhere. And latas, you have ran your course. ENOUGH SHIT, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
WE ARE not beating Grenada playing like this and going to draw with MARTINQUE. MARK MY WORDS.
Someone cant go rock latas some slap to wake him up?
We leaving DCC with 1 point. IF WE LUCKY
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I would change the entire side and sent all of them shithongs home and never call them up again if I was head coach.
jamal GAY? YOU CANT BE f**kIN SERIOUS!! He missed so many sitters in the under 20 wc. THE MAN IS PURE SHIT.
SHIT COACH MUSS RUN SHIT PLAYERS. SHITTY SHITTY SHIT SQUAD.
I will bet anything Malick Comprehensive would Beat the shit out of latapys team without trying.
i am so fukin upset rite now.
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Awh the real deal..trini did shine with them easy teams they beat, but now its the big games Latas this is when you have to step it up as a coach and so to the players chosen... trini football the same chorus... I agree with Fenwick..After playing in the world cup we should know better .... We heading down the drain when it comes to big games we in a mess and Latas dem fellas need to step it up... Latas the player was talent whee... but Latas the coach lack in many areas as a coach... lets see more big games to play... All I know we going Brazil whee but with who as coach... Fenwick tell dem is real shit they doing and many may not see it but we need to be moving forward with football and not backward especially when it comes to big games... stay tune ...
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nice analysis.
:beermug:
As 4 Cornell inclusion and non selection 2 make all yuh feel d BLACKLIST DONE
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Fenwick is a real bamsee..........ah hate when ah have to admit he making sense, but this time he is. Latas need to understand what his limitations are and should have found experienced help, even if he had to pay for it himself. After all de years he spend around de system, he take de wuk and didn't prepare at all to deal with de same obstacles that our coaches have faced throughout the years. I woulda thought that any coach taking de wuk hadda have a well thought out plan of action for every stage of this mission. Instead of being 5 steps ahead, it seems like Latas still being surprised by de shit that coming up. Unfackingbelievable!
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We terrible in transition, especially from offense to defense. We speed of play unbeliavably slow. Them players not so bad technically, but when asked to execute at a higher pace, confusion and disarray set in. Ah cyah understand and was hoping it wasn't true bout de continued insistence by people who have witnessed practices referring to the low intensity and walking pace. Lawd! Come nah man Latas
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THE PSYCHO-ANLYSIS OF A YOUNG TEAM.
In trying to get a young team to conform to a standard of football they are not accustomed to as yet takes time, and time is not what Latas has.
It seems Latas has not learned from previous managers of T&T football and even in Jamaica who tried to go the local route in rebuilding the national team but failed.
Losing to Cuba was not surprising; an experience team will have a psychological edge most of time over a young team.
An experience player knows what it takes mentally to play international football. To make the necessary adjustments throughout the course of a game and not get confuse with respect to what the opponent is doing.
On the other hand the inexperience player gets confused easily; he’s in unfamiliar territory and finds it difficult to adjust. When he looks around it’s happening to most of his team mates.
What’s he to do tell the players to give him the ball, or to slow down the pace, or say to his team mates make short passes instead of long ones, we need to be more compact defensively etc? A young player does not assume this kind of responsibility of being the coach on the field; he’s having enough trouble worrying about how he’s playing.
Of all the positions on the field no coach can compromise having too many inexperience players in midfield much less having mostly inexperience players as in this case with Latas picks. This is the engine room, can‘t compromise there.
Latas should have learnt a while back when his team struggled against weaker Caribbean teams, that the local base players are not ready for top flight football; that they needed to be groomed for top flight football not
just inserted into it indiscriminately.
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So what did Jorsling do ?..ent he suppose to be the next big striker from the pro league ?..or he only bussing net against small caribbean teams ?..
Just de odder day man in here was saying "we dont need Stern, dem fellas too old" ..
Also i think this team needs more experienced players...hopefully they prove me wrong in the near future
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So what did Jorsling do ?..ent he suppose to be the next big striker from the pro league ?..or he only bussing net against small caribbean teams ?..
Just de odder day man in here was saying "we dont need Stern, dem fellas too old" ..
Also i think this team needs more experienced players...hopefully they prove me wrong in the near future
When we play weak opposition, it easy to get ball to the forwards. But when you get a tactically sound team it is very difficult to served effective balls to them. In the PFL and against weaker Carib team Jorsling was having a fieldday. I almost sure yesterday he was only getting one set ah long ball. To be honest Stern would not have made a difference. I thought as a mid general, Latas would have help develop some young protoges. We are weak at that position. People has said in so many different ways that our transition game is either non-existent, to slow or confused. But don't give up we have 2 games to go,
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I am curious. Was this a personal letter to Flex or was it meant for public consumption.
Becz if it's the latter, then Fewick come out with all guns blazing.
VB
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I am curious. Was this a personal letter to Flex or was it meant for public consumption.
Becz if it's the latter, then Fewick come out with all guns blazing.
VB
could be frustration, i doh blame him
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So what did Jorsling do ?..ent he suppose to be the next big striker from the pro league ?..or he only bussing net against small caribbean teams ?..
Just de odder day man in here was saying "we dont need Stern, dem fellas too old" ..
Also i think this team needs more experienced players...hopefully they prove me wrong in the near future
When we play weak opposition, it easy to get ball to the forwards. But when you get a tactically sound team it is very difficult to served effective balls to them. In the PFL and against weaker Carib team Jorsling was having a fieldday. I almost sure yesterday he was only getting one set ah long ball. To be honest Stern would not have made a difference. I thought as a mid general, Latas would have help develop some young protoges. We are weak at that position. People has said in so many different ways that our transition game is either non-existent, to slow or confused. But don't give up we have 2 games to go,
Its not about Stern not making a difference..The Stern reference was to point out how we LOVE to believe we have alot of players to choose from and obviously we do not...we like to think so and that is why we quick to say "we dont need Stern and dem fellas anymore" because we love to believe we have alot more players who are more capable to choose from, when that has not been proven. This game definitley did not prove it
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Could not give the most important reason for TT performance.
So easy to say all that basics to any losing team.
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Cuba were made to look good only because we were so bad, we have good players looking awful because they haven't been coached or informed of their responsibility within the team structure..... very basic organization is missing."
"Grenada and Martinique looked poor to me, T&T should beat both of these sides but I just don't believe the players have any spirit or confidence in Russell, it could go very wrong if we don't get off to a good start against the next team, ended Fenwick."
I have been saying this forever, yet everytime we lose on here, everybody argues about who we pick. granted that might help plaster the sore due to the experience of the player, it does not hide the fact that tactical the bench is not in the game.
bringing back a Birchall would make him look just as bad in the current setup.
THE PSYCHO-ANLYSIS OF A YOUNG TEAM.
In trying to get a young team to conform to a standard of football they are not accustomed to as yet takes time, and time is not what Latas has.
It seems Latas has not learned from previous managers of T&T football and even in Jamaica who tried to go the local route in rebuilding the national team but failed.
Losing to Cuba was not surprising; an experience team will have a psychological edge most of time over a young team.
An experience player knows what it takes mentally to play international football. To make the necessary adjustments throughout the course of a game and not get confuse with respect to what the opponent is doing.
On the other hand the inexperience player gets confused easily; he’s in unfamiliar territory and finds it difficult to adjust. When he looks around it’s happening to most of his team mates.
What’s he to do tell the players to give him the ball, or to slow down the pace, or say to his team mates make short passes instead of long ones, we need to be more compact defensively etc? A young player does not assume this kind of responsibility of being the coach on the field; he’s having enough trouble worrying about how he’s playing.
Of all the positions on the field no coach can compromise having too many inexperience players in midfield much less having mostly inexperience players as in this case with Latas picks. This is the engine room, can‘t compromise there.
Latas should have learnt a while back when his team struggled against weaker Caribbean teams, that the local base players are not ready for top flight football; that they needed to be groomed for top flight football not
just inserted into it indiscriminately.
i agree to a point, but other coaches have taken local players and had them raise their level sufficently. Cuba, as much as i respect their level is not a superior team to us. local based or not.
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We so in the dark when it comes to tactics and modern day football is ah shame .... even on dis forum we still analyse and pick individuals ...as if that is what will make us better ...if POIUIIO did play ...and XXX did play ...and Latapy doh like ..LKJJH ..every game it is the same .....when we not facing the reality that the coach is out of his depth and our tactics are woeful !
We still pick teams with systems of the past ...modern day tactics dictate 4 zones ...we still thinking 4 4 2 0r 4 3 3 where the top teams have now divided the space into 4 ...eg 4 2 3 1 ( Argentina), Spain ...or 4 1 41 ( brazil )or 4 2 2 2 etc...
South america has always been famous for changing football tactics ... they have people to study tactics ...it is a science there ...brazil has changed tactica since the last WC ...so has Argentina ...so have most teams actually ...so Spain's possession game has been worked out ..even barca's game has been decifered ...but for Messi who no one has worked out yet ..they would not be as successful today.
In 1970 Brazil shocked the world with 4 2 4 ...then the rest of the world countered with 4 3 3 ..before long everybody changed to 4 3 3 . That lasted a long time until the 4 4 2 took over ..then the 3 5 1 and 4 5 1 ..those have now been revamped to take into account a fourth division in the team structure ..
Where are we on this development path ?? when we see bardados and Grenada following international best practice only then we might want to take the thing da bit more seriously .
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3 5 2 ...as one of the formations of the past ...
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We so in the dark when it comes to tactics and modern day football is ah shame .... even on dis forum we still analyse and pick individuals ...as if that is what will make us better ...if POIUIIO did play ...and XXX did play ...and Latapy doh like ..LKJJH ..every game it is the same .....when we not facing the reality that the coach is out of his depth and our tactics are woeful !
We still pick teams with systems of the past ...modern day tactics dictate 4 zones ...we still thinking 4 4 2 0r 4 3 3 where the top teams have now divided the space into 4 ...eg 4 2 3 1 ( Argentina), Spain ...or 4 1 41 ( brazil )or 4 2 2 2 etc...
South america has always been famous for changing football tactics ... they have people to study tactics ...it is a science there ...brazil has changed tactica since the last WC ...so has Argentina ...so have most teams actually ...so Spain's possession game has been worked out ..even barca's game has been decifered ...but for Messi who no one has worked out yet ..they would not be as successful today.
In 1970 Brazil shocked the world with 4 2 4 ...then the rest of the world countered with 4 3 3 ..before long everybody changed to 4 3 3 . That lasted a long time until the 4 4 2 took over ..then the 3 5 1 and 4 5 1 ..those have now been revamped to take into account a fourth division in the team structure ..
Where are we on this development path ?? when we see bardados and Grenada following international best practice only then we might want to take the thing da bit more seriously .
Sense!
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For the man dem who doggin TF, FYI the man in martinique working as an analyst! he was giving a "comprehensive analysis on the team's performance," ::) what's wrong with you ppl??
i'm also pretty sure flex is the one who arranged the interview and not the other way around, so what is the fackin problem?? why do ppl on here always have to be so over analytic?
as for latas, allyuh know i eh no latas fan, but we stuck with him for this tourney, ok we loss to cuba, but stranger things has happened, like losing to bermuda @ home. i say lets save the bashing until we drop out!
it's only one game you'wl, it's not like we out of the ting, plus we had a favorable result in the other group game, so we really don't have much katching up to do. have faith girls.
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jus cool.. i hearing yuh
after all is said and done we will have a reckoning...
but for right now we in the battle and it is not de time for de weak ... so all who stout of heart step forward and let we support the red white and black until the end.
Go Soca Warriors... come on Latapy, lets get it right!!
:beermug:
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Excellent analysis by Fenwick, the truth hurts
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Flex,
I hope they ask your permission for this
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/sports/Fenwick__T_T_lacked_commitment-110920289.html
VB
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Fenwick looking for a wok!
he was offered the job of national coach 3 times before and rejected it
If you are as outspoken as Terry, you would want to work with Jackula, Scamps and Rodent??
As for the analysis, well done Mr. Fenwick. Ah still does remember the elbow eh, but yuh outspoken and doh seem to take shyte so my hats off to you sir!!...
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Flex,
I hope they ask your permission for this
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/sports/Fenwick__T_T_lacked_commitment-110920289.html
VB
Off course not, T&T press do as they please, I just hope when I return the favor oneday them eh get vex.
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Extremely disturbing analysis!!!!
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I still find it hard to believe dat ah man dat spend so much years in Europe, play for some good clubs and would have been exposed to some good coaches in he playin career would come and adopt sunday league fete match approach to coachin................ah mean he used to be sleepin during durin d strategy meetings ???, Latapy was kinda dynamic, so maybe teams was built around him eh..................but still yuh eh pick up nutten ??? nah dat real sad
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Alot of good players tend to not really go on to be good coaches ... Pele, Maradona, Gullit ... Matheus all mediocre types. In that great AC Milan team .... the outstanding coach turn out to be Ancellotti in front of Van Basten , Gullit, Donadoni and Rikaard!
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Flex,
I hope they ask your permission for this
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/sports/Fenwick__T_T_lacked_commitment-110920289.html
VB
Off course not, T&T press do as they please, I just hope when I return the favor oneday them eh get vex.
heard it on the tv6 news as well..i was like wait nuh!...flex i think u should throw dem ah bogey just to make them out
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i honestly taught they would of put the source of where the article came from.
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Alot of good players tend to not really go on to be good coaches ... Pele, Maradona, Gullit ... Matheus all mediocre types. In that great AC Milan team .... the outstanding coach turn out to be Ancellotti in front of Van Basten , Gullit, Donadoni and Rikaard!
That may be true but that does not mean the player can't try. Who should say which player should or should not be a coach. Alf Ramsey, Beckenbauer Didi and other brazilian coaches have done it. By the way Pele never, never went into coaching. He went into advertising and colour commentary. I glad he did not coach. He would have gotten more hell than Dunga and Latas combine.
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Alot of good players tend to not really go on to be good coaches ... Pele, Maradona, Gullit ... Matheus all mediocre types. In that great AC Milan team .... the outstanding coach turn out to be Ancellotti in front of Van Basten , Gullit, Donadoni and Rikaard!
That may be true but that does not mean the player can't try. Who should say which player should or should not be a coach. Alf Ramsey, Beckenbauer Didi and other brazilian coaches have done it. By the way Pele never, never went into coaching. He went into advertising and colour commentary. I glad he did not coach. He would have gotten more hell than Dunga and Latas combine.
Good players normally make better coaches if they go through the same preparation as a lesser player. There are some who may not be able to show the patience to work with players that are not up to the technical level the coach was, but the problem arises because clubs(in we case national team), always want to give jobs too quickly to good players.
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Alot of good players tend to not really go on to be good coaches ... Pele, Maradona, Gullit ... Matheus all mediocre types. In that great AC Milan team .... the outstanding coach turn out to be Ancellotti in front of Van Basten , Gullit, Donadoni and Rikaard!
That may be true but that does not mean the player can't try. Who should say which player should or should not be a coach. Alf Ramsey, Beckenbauer Didi and other brazilian coaches have done it. By the way Pele never, never went into coaching. He went into advertising and colour commentary. I glad he did not coach. He would have gotten more hell than Dunga and Latas combine.
Well is when the player try and coach is when we normally deduce whether he is a good coach or not.... I 've seen some very basic players become very good coaches and vice versa.
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Alot of good players tend to not really go on to be good coaches ... Pele, Maradona, Gullit ... Matheus all mediocre types. In that great AC Milan team .... the outstanding coach turn out to be Ancellotti in front of Van Basten , Gullit, Donadoni and Rikaard!
That may be true but that does not mean the player can't try. Who should say which player should or should not be a coach. Alf Ramsey, Beckenbauer Didi and other brazilian coaches have done it. By the way Pele never, never went into coaching. He went into advertising and colour commentary. I glad he did not coach. He would have gotten more hell than Dunga and Latas combine.
Good players normally make better coaches if they go through the same preparation as a lesser player. There are some who may not be able to show the patience to work with players that are not up to the technical level the coach was, but the problem arises because clubs(in we case national team), always want to give jobs too quickly to good players.
Very good point especially in T&T,if you look at our history of local Coaches at club or international level it's rear to find one that have never played the game,their are many reasons for that but the easy way out at home is to give our most well known,experience players,those the public likes coaching positions,but then who you fooling because is only so far they can take us.
How does a Trini Coach gain the maturity and experience like lets say a Ferguson or Marinho,bringing in foreign Coaches has not helped our Coaches one bit,even the coaching courses they do at home does not help them,these guys have to experience first hand what it's like working with quality players,top clubs,in the best leagues etc etc
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Someone who has worked to figure something out is better prepared to explain how to reach his level of achievement. If you not technically gifted you have to be an excellent student of the game to hang with the big boys. When your technical ability is high you only have to show and let stuff work itself out on the field. Play to the coaches instruction and you set.
People who to gifted never make good teachers in any realm of life and that has a lot to do with mentality. Smart people never think their method of teaching is flawed. They usually put it down to the student being slow and they try to hammer home the message. Average people have to look for different ways to learn achieve and come to the realization that not every teaching style is appropriate for the situation. When they teach they try to meet the student where they are.
Our players may need to learn by repitition. They will respond based on the stimuli and muscle memory. Technically gifted palyers adapt and create new solutions to problems on the fly.
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i honestly taught they would of put the source of where the article came from.
YEAH RITEFenwick looking for a wok!
he was offered the job of national coach 3 times before and rejected it
If you are as outspoken as Terry, you would want to work with Jackula, Scamps and Rodent??
AAh still does remember the elbow eh.
CYAH 4 GET IT
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Fenwick looking for ah wuk daiz why he bad talking Latapy and de team.
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Fenwick looking for ah wuk daiz why he bad talking Latapy and de team.
it look like de whole forum looking for dat wuk too then?
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Fenwick looking for ah wuk daiz why he bad talking Latapy and de team.
it look like de whole forum looking for dat wuk too then?
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Although ah feel Elan being sarcastic.....
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Fenwick looking for ah wuk daiz why he bad talking Latapy and de team.
it look like de whole forum looking for dat wuk too then?
8)
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Fenwick looking for ah wuk daiz why he bad talking Latapy and de team.
it look like de whole forum looking for dat wuk too then?
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Although ah feel Elan being sarcastic.....
;D
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Fenwick looking for ah wuk daiz why he bad talking Latapy and de team.
it look like de whole forum looking for dat wuk too then?
Except Brown and I we LIFE is 2 post on dis MB. No time 2 wuk
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Which foreign born coach in the PLF , played professional football, is familiar with our local players and has a fiery temper that could inject some fire in our program?
clue: the man calling it like he want the job....
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Which foreign born coach in the PLF , played professional football, is familiar with our local players and has a fiery temper that could inject some fire in our program?
clue: the man calling it like he want the job....
TF has refused that job 3 times already!
He's not as naive as Latas plus he well know that JW hates his guts because he regularly speaks his mind and won't put up with the bullshit that the TTFF stands for!
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As a coach preparing your team for a challenge is the main objective, this means scouting the other team, making sure you have players that can counter their style of play, look at the weakness and how best to use your team to get a result. When is the last time Latas checked out another team?
This is a horrible result, losing to cuba? Really? This is the worse tnt team in the history of our football.
Which coach blames the players"? Oh yea my boy Trappatoni when he was in germany? Bayern lol. Unforgettable!
I would love to see Capello come out and say "we lorse b.c rooney is shit"
LOL. This team is going nowhere. And latas, you have ran your course. ENOUGH SHIT, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
WE ARE not beating Grenada playing like this and going to draw with MARTINQUE. MARK MY WORDS.
Someone cant go rock latas some slap to wake him up?
We leaving DCC with 1 point. IF WE LUCKY
Like i said. Latas is a waste of f**king time.