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Warner gives Cameron a lesson in the brutal realities of FIFA politics
By Sam Wallace (The Independent)
For the last five days in Zurich, Jack Warner's chauffeur-driven Fifa limousine has nosed its way through the city's traffic to take the 67-year-old former school teacher to meetings with Prince William, David Cameron and David Beckham, who have treated Warner like a friend and ally.
Yesterday, Warner delivered a lesson to Britain's young Prime Minister and its even fresher-faced heir to the throne that there are no politics in international sport more brutal than those of Fifa – where men will say one thing to your face and do quite another when they approach the ballot box in the boardroom at Fifa House.
Cameron was fortunate that he was out of Zurich and away from the television cameras when Warner delivered his stitch-up of the English bid in which neither he nor his Concacaf colleagues, representing North and Central America and the Caribbean, voted for England. In Cameron's gilded political career it would be difficult to remember a more blatant humiliation than the one dealt him by Warner.
Make no mistake, English football was well and truly shafted yesterday by an organisation that has no interest in being scrutinised by the British media. The 22 men of the Fifa executive committee (ExCo) do not care whether it is politicians, princes or Goldenballs himself from whom they take the hospitality and the plaudits and then screw in return. True, Warner never publically said he would vote for England but he enjoyed their generosity and they never seemed to have been given the impression they were wasting their money.
It was claimed last night that at one point this week Warner put his arm round Prince William and promised him all three Concacaf votes.
As the ExCo members took their seats in matching blue suits in the auditorium at the Zurich Messehalle yesterday, it was hard to imagine a collection of more pompous, self-important little dictators – all of whom have struggled to the top of their local federations to occupy a seat of power at Fifa.
They come from all over the world – Cameroon, Guatemala, Egypt and Trinidad among them – but they share one thing in common. They understand the power of Fifa and its independence from the regulation of sovereign governments that the popularity of football has given it. And they are not afraid to punish anyone.
Getting into bed with Warner was always a dangerous business, given his implication in a 2006 World Cup ticket scandal over which even Fifa was moved to sanction him. But the English bid team thought that they could tame Warner and persuade him to deliver the three Concacaf votes. By last night they were coming to terms with the scope of their political miscalculation.
England chased Warner all over the world, sending Fabio Capello's England team to play Trinidad & Tobago in June 2008 in what turned into a rally for Warner the politician.
They dispatched Beckham to hold a training camp there and the FA's top brass consented to lectured and harangued by Warner, a man from an island with virtually no football history, in return for him coming through for them at Fifa House yesterday.
It will long be regarded as a source of great embarrassment that English football ever took this despicable little man seriously but the humiliation he visited on them will never be forgotten.
There is a general consensus that the English do not understand Fifa politics. That they fail to see that this is, by necessity, a global entity in which compromises and deals must be struck between the men who, for better or worse, have come to run football in their regions of the world. But after yesterday, the question must be asked again: if indulging men like Warner is the price of a World Cup, can English football bear the cost?
In the aftermath of defeat yesterday, Andy Anson, the 2018 chief executive, bit his lip and tried to make sense of the wreckage of England's campaign. It should be pointed out that he spoke to the English media before he learnt that his bid had earned just two votes and today he may not feel quite so charitable.
"We don't have a [Michel] Platini [Uefa president and an ExCo member] and we don't have a [Franz] Beckenbauer [ExCo member], but we don't integrate ourselves into the international community well," Anson said. "I think that has been a problem all along. Geoff Thompson [England's ExCo member] has done a good job and he is a solid guy, but he is stuck out there in Fifa and Uefa on his own, he's not really integrated into the FA and the Premier League." But who would wish to be integrated into this group of men? The next World Cup finals England can bid for will be the 2030 tournament but for those who remembered the crushing disappointment of this week, putting their faith in that campaign will be a very hard leap of faith.
Richard Scudamore, the Premier League chief executive, summed up the sense of doom whenever England attempts to ingratiate itself with Fifa. "What's gone against us is not having to build 20 new stadia," Scudamore said. "It almost feels as if we are on standby for when somebody can't host it. That's all very well but on that basis we will never get it."
In Russia and Qatar, however, Fifa has selected two nations for whom failure is simply not an option. Watching Roman Abramovich on stage last night celebrating with his fellow Russian delegates, it was hard to decide whether he was genuinely happy or just relieved. They all knew that somewhere Putin was watching. Last night the Russian Prime Minister flew into Zurich to hold an impromptu press conference.
There has been some serious bowing and scraping to Fifa over the past two years. English football has divested itself of the "football's coming home" sense of entitlement, it has set up legacy programmes and international development. Beckham has flown all over the world. Friendlies have been promised. The world, as the English 2018 bid slogan goes, has been invited. And the world has turned round and said, "No, thanks".
No doubt over the next few days there will be plenty of Fifa men lining up to tell England where they have gone wrong and you can bet that Warner will be among them, wagging his finger. We can choose to listen in the hope that one day they throw us a scrap or make a promise that they might just keep. Or we could just do the simple thing and ignore them.
A history lesson
As if English football didn't suffer enough yesterday, Sepp Blatter once again claimed that football was invented in China. In one moment he was labelling England the "motherland", in the next he was continuing Fifa's bizarre campaign to rewrite history and place the birth of the game in the sport's greatest untapped market (can you spot a possible connection? China are interested in hosting in 2026).
According to football historians outside FIfa House, the game starts with Ebenezer Cobb Morley writing the rules of Association Football in 1863, whatever Blatter may try to claim.
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England real playin spoil chile ting sah
Sir Dave Richards, one of the most influential men in English football, reacted with "sadness" at discovering "the greatest nation in world football cannot host the World Cup".
Premier League chairman Sir David Richards is a well respected figure in English football
Sir Dave, an FA Executive Committee member and chairman of both Team England and the Premier League, told ESPNsoccernet soon after he heard the news from Zurich: "It is a real shame that the greatest nation in world football cannot host the World Cup. Why? I don't really know.
"[There are] Lots of reasons, you can say the media, but there is always someone else, others to blame.
"But perhaps it's time for change, the way FIFA decide such important issues like this, the most important of them all. If anything good comes from it, it will be the call for change."
Sir Dave knows that many of the English game's figureheads and legends will not be alive by the time England get the chance to host a World Cup again.
"The earliest will be 2030 and none of us will be around," he said. "None of the boys of '66, and who knows what FIFA will be like then, what the FA will be like or whether the FA would want to bid again for the World Cup. So who knows when we will ever get the World Cup back here, if at all."
To add insult to injury, FIFA have offically revealed that England were eliminated in the first round of voting, with just two votes in their favour, one of which was from English board member Geoff Thompson.
"[It is] Terrible," Sir Dave added. "How big a blow is this for football in our country? I will have to think long and hard about that question."
Ken Bates, an old adversary of Sepp Blatter and FIFA, advocates a European breakaway from world football's governing body - even if means dismantling the World Cup. The Leeds United chairman is not afraid to voice his feelings currently whispered only in private by many Premier League chairmen.
The all-powerful clubs and the Premier League are fed up of handing over their priceless playing assets for England duty, and having their multi-million pound players returned damaged and injured. The clubs are privately fuming at FIFA 'borrowing' their players for no fee for World Cups.
Bates told ESPNsoccernet: "In my opinion the awarding of the World Cup to Russia instead of England is a disgrace, and it leaves me wondering whether it's even worth the effort taking part in FIFA's two bob World Cup competition.
"FIFA is a case of the tail wagging the dog, of authority without responsibility."
Bates is also no friend of Roman Abramovich to whom he sold Chelsea, and with whom he fell out.
"If the experience of Chelsea fans who went to Moscow for the Champions League final is anything to go by, then it is clear supporters heading to Russia for the World Cup will find the same sort of fleecing of the ordinary fans who had to fork out an absolute fortune for tickets.
"At least, I was glad to see Mr Abramovich in Zurich wearing a tie - perhaps he knew something. It's bad enough awarding the World Cup to such a marginal country as Russia then God only knows whey they have gone for Qatar."
Bates sounded the battle cry against FIFA and the way it dominates world football, despite allegations of corruption and an unfair and distorted system of deliberating on World Cup bids.
He said: "I can only repeat what I said 10 years ago ... the European countries should resign form FIFA and tell them what they can do with the 2018 World Cup.
"I would suggest that all the broadcasters bid low, or don't bid at all for the TV rights for 2018, and if they put in a very, very low figure, that will let FIFA know what we think about it, because all FIFA is interested in is the money generated by the World Cup.
"Finally, I believe that England should disregard FIFA, the World Cup and concentrate on promoting English football, and let FIFA, Russia, and Qatar get on with it."
Meanwhile, Graham Taylor believes a perception of England as "arrogant'' and "know-alls'' ended their hopes of winning the 2018 World Cup but thinks their dismal showing in the voting could prompt investigations into the running of FIFA.
Taylor, speaking to Radio Five Live, said: "I ask the question 'what were we expecting?'. FIFA, for me, is full of people who say 'yes' to your face and 'no' behind your back. Their reputation has not changed for many years.
"We (England) have little or no influence; we are considered to be arrogant and know-alls and FIFA don't have to answer to anyone. I'm surprised that we're surprised. This has been going on for years and we've been aware of a lot of things going on around the back.''
British media investigations into FIFA practices and the conduct of influential members have been cited as one of the reasons England fared so badly in the voting, but Taylor believes they could yet come into their own.
"I have a feeling, perhaps, that it might be time...that they really need looking into and investigating and our journalists are very good at that. How long has this been going on? How long have been questions been asked of FIFA and when have they answered them?
"You don't want take away from Russia or Qatar but it may be that this is the trigger for it to get looked into.''
SOURCE: SOCCERNET.COM (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=848061&sec=global&cc=5901)
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For the last five days in Zurich, Jack Warner's chauffeur-driven Fifa limousine has nosed its way through the city's traffic to take the 67-year-old former school teacher to meetings with Prince William, David Cameron and David Beckham, who have treated Warner like a friend and ally.
I didn't know he was a school teacher...did anyone here ever have him for class?
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Warner gives Cameron a lesson in the brutal realities of FIFA politics
By Sam Wallace (The Independent)
For the last five days in Zurich, Jack Warner's chauffeur-driven Fifa limousine has nosed its way through the city's traffic to take the 67-year-old former school teacher to meetings with Prince William, David Cameron and David Beckham, who have treated Warner like a friend and ally.
I didn't know he was a school teacher...did anyone here ever have him for class?
Apparently he is still a school teacher; cause England got schooled!
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For the last five days in Zurich, Jack Warner's chauffeur-driven Fifa limousine has nosed its way through the city's traffic to take the 67-year-old former school teacher to meetings with Prince William, David Cameron and David Beckham, who have treated Warner like a friend and ally.
I didn't know he was a school teacher...did anyone here ever have him for class?
Yeh, I think weary said she had him for History.
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For the last five days in Zurich, Jack Warner's chauffeur-driven Fifa limousine has nosed its way through the city's traffic to take the 67-year-old former school teacher to meetings with Prince William, David Cameron and David Beckham, who have treated Warner like a friend and ally.
I didn't know he was a school teacher...did anyone here ever have him for class?
Yeh, I think weary said she had him for History.
haha :rotfl: i feel sorry for her
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I wonder what hurtin dem more that he from a country with " no football history" or he is a ex school teacher who played dem? The English seem a little bitter and somewhat naive!
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LOL...... :D....Jack foolup de people an dem and den he eh gi dem no vote. Now dey vex dey geh bobolize. :D Jack is kicks oui. Ruthless is the only adjective that comes to mind. Now dey wan to talk all kinda arrogant, ignorant, tootoo 'bout other people Country.
Take dat an cool it English people.
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For the last five days in Zurich, Jack Warner's chauffeur-driven Fifa limousine has nosed its way through the city's traffic to take the 67-year-old former school teacher to meetings with Prince William, David Cameron and David Beckham, who have treated Warner like a friend and ally.
I didn't know he was a school teacher...did anyone here ever have him for class?
GUILTY AS CHARGE. A LEVEL HISTORY 86-88 Six Form Govt School aka Poly. HE WAS A CAPITAL K CROSS SINCE THEN. He put in a guy's exam paper once u must have been in Guyana when I taught this.
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Warner gives Cameron a lesson in the brutal realities of FIFA politics
By Sam Wallace (The Independent)
For the last five days in Zurich, Jack Warner's chauffeur-driven Fifa limousine has nosed its way through the city's traffic to take the 67-year-old former school teacher to meetings with Prince William, David Cameron and David Beckham, who have treated Warner like a friend and ally.
I didn't know he was a school teacher...did anyone here ever have him for class?
Apparently he is still a school teacher; cause England got schooled!
:rotfl:
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Well there goes any chance of a local footballer going before any FA panel to get a work permit
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Well there goes any chance of a local footballer going before any FA panel to get a work permit
D FIFA ranking would insure dat dey eh even gettin 2 d panel.
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Ah go play Small Mag tonight.
F@#K Off England. Alyuh is ah bunch ah no balls two faced punks. Where was all these "writers" bringing out all these "facts" prior to today? Hiding from the spotlight, now all of a sudden alyuh know Warner is a scamp. That's why I will give Jennings he props. He firing at Warner anytime. It easy now to come out and criticize because it have nothing to lose. So again F@#k Off.
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De man say we ent have no football history oui. HHMC!!! No World Cup for Englan ass!!
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For the last five days in Zurich, Jack Warner's chauffeur-driven Fifa limousine has nosed its way through the city's traffic to take the 67-year-old former school teacher to meetings with Prince William, David Cameron and David Beckham, who have treated Warner like a friend and ally.
I didn't know he was a school teacher...did anyone here ever have him for class?
GUILTY AS CHARGE. A LEVEL HISTORY 86-88 Six Form Govt School aka Poly. HE WAS A CAPITAL K CROSS SINCE THEN. He put in a guy's exam paper once u must have been in Guyana when I taught this.
Weary did he have those early morning classes 7:00am so he could leave and do football work? Did he teach the equivalent of 6 months History in de 2 years because he was always of somewhere?
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De man say we ent have no football history oui. HHMC!!! No World Cup for Englan ass!!
People's emotions getting the better of them... he said Trinidad is a country with virtually no football history. Our 102 years of football matters only to us... the only other times we've made any kind of international noise was in 1973 and 2006, can't even count 1990. We already prove over and over that we are not a footballing nation... but nothing offends like the truth.
Surprisingly... Bates echoes my thoughts. Just earlier this evening I saying England should just decide to give the World Cup a rest. Let FIFA have they toy. It would never happen of course, but at least on principle. What going on with the TTFF in Trinidad is a microcosm of FIFA on the whole... dictatorial exercise of power without even the slightest pretense of objectivity. Forget about the deceit pulled on England by Warner, is anyone seriously willing to argue that England's bid was so bad that all they could muster was two first-round votes?
I understand people hate England and the US but put yuhself in their situation and the anger and sense of betrayal are understandable. Jack Warner will mess with the wrong person one of these days... and there might eventually be some accounting to be made by the other 23 ExCo members as well.
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Warner has forked Trinidad and Tobago football for years to come. The English are not going to forget this and Warner isn't going to be there forever so who stands to lose more? We football!!!
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As much as i hate warner, the english media should STFU! bobby mcmahon on fox soccer report put it well 2nite. the other bidders are moving on while england r throwing tantrums and blaming fifa (possibly rightly so) for everything and calling for reform. if england's bid won they wouldnt have said sh*t and would have tried to put the ill-timing of their media as far behind them as possible. also this stupidness abt "our presentation was the best" is so subjective and means nothing. even if fifa was a clean organisation ur dealing w/ individuals who have their own unique ways of weighting the options. personally im cool w/ the WC being somewhere new and interesting and in places that actually need it rather than a country that just wants it.
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For the last five days in Zurich, Jack Warner's chauffeur-driven Fifa limousine has nosed its way through the city's traffic to take the 67-year-old former school teacher to meetings with Prince William, David Cameron and David Beckham, who have treated Warner like a friend and ally.
I didn't know he was a school teacher...did anyone here ever have him for class?
GUILTY AS CHARGE. A LEVEL HISTORY 86-88 Six Form Govt School aka Poly. HE WAS A CAPITAL K CROSS SINCE THEN. He put in a guy's exam paper once u must have been in Guyana when I taught this.
Weary did he have those early morning classes 7:00am so he could leave and do football work? Did he teach the equivalent of 6 months History in de 2 years because he was always of somewhere?
Like u went Poly Lower 6 u had dem 9-10:30 upper six 730-900 and a Fri class he neva was at. It gets betta we use 2 have exam 6-9. Is a good ting in dem days d crime rate was not as bad now. Imagine leavin Petit Bourg and waitin 4 bus on d Bus Route by d Aranjuez Savannah at dem UNGODLY HOURS.
As 4 being absent d morning of d english history paper he called from JA 2 wish us luck. I PROBABLY DEBUT MY 1ST LOUDDDDDDDD STEUPSSSSSSSS dat day. I passed history only because I asked him to read essays while he travelled and he agreed so I got a sense of what was required.
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Ah go play Small Mag tonight.
F@#K Off England. Alyuh is ah bunch ah no balls two faced punks. Where was all these "writers" bringing out all these "facts" prior to today? Hiding from the spotlight, now all of a sudden alyuh know Warner is a scamp. That's why I will give Jennings he props. He firing at Warner anytime. It easy now to come out and criticize because it have nothing to lose. So again F@#k Off.
:applause: :cheers:
Let dem go and cry in their beer. Is ah good thing ah did read Jennings book, cuz nutten that happened with that whole selection of Russia and Qatar surprising. Ah could imagine Jennings preparing he sequel to "Foul" right now.....
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As much as i hate warner, the english media should STFU! bobby mcmahon on fox soccer report put it well 2nite. the other bidders are moving on while england r throwing tantrums and blaming fifa (possibly rightly so) for everything and calling for reform. if england's bid won they wouldnt have said sh*t and would have tried to put the ill-timing of their media as far behind them as possible. also this stupidness abt "our presentation was the best" is so subjective and means nothing. even if fifa was a clean organisation ur dealing w/ individuals who have their own unique ways of weighting the options. personally im cool w/ the WC being somewhere new and interesting and in places that actually need it rather than a country that just wants it.
Now that make sense; kudos my brother the best post so far,forget all the rhetoric we know who fifa is and what they stand for. It's not a secret that they're corrupt but they made a decision and we have to live with it unpopular as it may be to some,why not Russia why not Qatar.
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FT Score
Warner 3 - England 0
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Jack Warner Extracts His Revenge as England 2018 Hung Out to Dry
http://www.worldfootballinsider.com/Story.aspx?id=33977
(WFI) England’s failed World Cup bid was doomed by a devastating coup organized by CONCACAF’s bloc of three voters.
England 2018’s bid strategy had been reliant on their support to get past the first round of the vote yesterday. But England fell at the first hurdle after receiving just two votes, one coming from Geoff Thompson, the other believed to come from Japan’s Junji Ogura.
Other reports have linked CAF president Issa Hayatou to support of England’s bid.
It is believed that at least two CONCACAF voters went with Russia in the first round, when England thought that they could rely upon them.
Bid sources had been confident of getting the alliance, after CONCACAF president Jack Warner was dined by Prime Minister David Cameron and assiduously courted by David Beckham. Prince William also held talks with Warner.
But not one of CONCACAF’s three voters went with England, and it seems that a terrible revenge has been reaped upon the country after a series of damaging allegations about the confederation's president Jack Warner were attributed to the British media.
On Monday, BBC Panorama investigated allegations made in the Norwegian press that Warner had tried to sell $84,000 worth
of tickets to this summer’s World Cup, although the deal previously fell through.
England’s bid had tried to distance itself from the broadcast, and thought that this strategy had paid off.
In the wake of Russia winning the right to host the 2018 tournament, a senior England bid source suggested in the strongest possible terms that Warner reneged on a promise to support England and “had done nothing for our country".
England bid CEO Andy Anson confirmed that England had been betrayed, although he stopped short of naming Warner.
"There were other votes we thought we were going to get that would have taken us way into the second round and beyond," he said.
"Some of those didn't materialise, I don't know which ones. When people look you in the eye and promise you something, you hope they live up to their word, but clearly that hasn't happened."
Anson added that it was “mind-boggling” that bids were told by journalists whether they had won or lost.
Arab TV station Al Jazeera reported Qatar’s victory 20 minutes before FIFA president Sepp Blatter revealed the winner and Russian media were also claiming success before the announcement.
According to FIFA protocol, the outcome of the vote between two final round voters would only be known by a Swiss notary and KPMG auditor overseeing the vote. Nobody was supposed to know until Blatter unveiled the winner from his envelope – a pledge that was ultimately betrayed.
By INSIDER's James Corbett
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Now Trinis go have to get Visa to visit the UK :beermug:
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Now Trinis go have to get Visa to visit the UK :beermug:
I actually embrace that idea,it should be like that all over the world,we need ah visa to go england they need ah visa to come trini. Simple no problem!!!
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Now that make sense; kudos my brother the best post so far,forget all the rhetoric we know who fifa is and what they stand for. It's not a secret that they're corrupt but they made a decision and we have to live with it unpopular as it may be to some,why not Russia why not Qatar.
here are my predictions for 2018 and 2022 respectively
in 2018 most on here are going to be lambasting FIFA for awarding the competition to one of, if not the most, racist country that competes in top level football. Every time a black player touches the ball we are going to hear booing and monkey chants from the Russian crowd. To give you an example of how bad it is over there, one of the Russian clubs (I think it's Zenit St Petersburg) were forbidden by their fans to sign black players
in 2022 most on here are going to be lambasting FIFA for awarding the competition to Qatar because of the lack of atmosphere due to half-empty grounds. There are also going to be many cultural issues. For example the authorities are not going to take too kindly to scores of scantily-clad Brazilian female fans (as well as Trinis assuming we make it) parading themselves in public. The same goes for drinking rum and the like. Alcohol consumption is allowed in Qatar but you have to consume it discreetly (indoors). I don't think many fans are going to adhere to those customs (especially the European hooligan element) and we may witness some ugly street battles between fans and riot police (although that will probably happen with the English fans regardless of any alcohol restriction) The other issue with Qatar is going to be the temperature. They claim they can develop these stadia that will have an air conditioned 'bubble' that will protect the players from the soaring heat. In spite of that, it still wouldn't surprise me if we see players dropping like flies and consequently the standard of football is the worst ever in the history of the competition.
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Now Trinis go have to get Visa to visit the UK :beermug:
I actually embrace that idea,it should be like that all over the world,we need ah visa to go england they need ah visa to come trini. Simple no problem!!!
uhh... i thought we needed visas to go to the UK :-\ didnt they make it a requirement a few yrs ago or im confusing them w/ another country?
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Now that make sense; kudos my brother the best post so far,forget all the rhetoric we know who fifa is and what they stand for. It's not a secret that they're corrupt but they made a decision and we have to live with it unpopular as it may be to some,why not Russia why not Qatar.
here are my predictions for 2018 and 2022 respectively
in 2018 most on here are going to be lambasting FIFA for awarding the competition to one of, if not the most, racist country that competes in top level football. Every time a black player touches the ball we are going to hear booing and monkey chants from the Russian crowd. To give you an example of how bad it is over there, one of the Russian clubs (I think it's Zenit St Petersburg) were forbidden by their fans to sign black players
in 2022 most on here are going to be lambasting FIFA for awarding the competition to Qatar because of the lack of atmosphere due to half-empty grounds. There are also going to be many cultural issues. For example the authorities are not going to take too kindly to scores of scantily-clad Brazilian female fans (as well as Trinis assuming we make it) parading themselves in public. The same goes for drinking rum and the like. Alcohol consumption is allowed in Qatar but you have to consume it discreetly (indoors). I don't think many fans are going to adhere to those customs (especially the European hooligan element) and we may witness some ugly street battles between fans and riot police (although that will probably happen with the English fans regardless of any alcohol restriction) The other issue with Qatar is going to be the temperature. They claim they can develop these stadia that will have an air conditioned 'bubble' that will protect the players from the soaring heat. In spite of that, it still wouldn't surprise me if we see players dropping like flies and consequently the standard of football is the worst ever in the history of the competition.
I really don't know how Qatar is going to deal with that aspect of hosting the tournament. If they don't relax their laws it will be a real shitty World Cup for the fans there. Qatar over the USA is another mystery, well not really. Qatar was ready to play ball I guess.
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Qatar over the USA, didnt jack assure Obama thta USA would get it in 2022 ???
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Warner gives Cameron a lesson in the brutal realities of FIFA politics
By Sam Wallace (The Independent)
They dispatched Beckham to hold a training camp there and the FA's top brass consented to lectured and harangued by Warner, a man from an island with virtually no football history, in return for him coming through for them at Fifa House yesterday.
I take offense to statement highlighted even though Jack & the TTFF have done a good job at regressing the development of T&T football over decades!
At least we've been to a World Cup and England had to cheat us in order to defeat us!
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Qatar over the USA, didnt jack assure Obama thta USA would get it in 2022 ???
Can you prove that Warner promised USA his vote?
Also can you prove that Warner did not vote for the USA?
At the end of the day, money talks & Obama walks!
England learnt the same lesson yesterday!
The only thing that has been proven (in a court of law) is that Warner promised our 2006 World Cup players 50% of the World Cup profits and as we all know they still waiting for that promise to be honoured.
Now both England & the USA know exactly how our 2006 World Cup players feel!
Let down is not the word!!
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Now that make sense; kudos my brother the best post so far,forget all the rhetoric we know who fifa is and what they stand for. It's not a secret that they're corrupt but they made a decision and we have to live with it unpopular as it may be to some,why not Russia why not Qatar.
here are my predictions for 2018 and 2022 respectively
in 2018 most on here are going to be lambasting FIFA for awarding the competition to one of, if not the most, racist country that competes in top level football. Every time a black player touches the ball we are going to hear booing and monkey chants from the Russian crowd. To give you an example of how bad it is over there, one of the Russian clubs (I think it's Zenit St Petersburg) were forbidden by their fans to sign black players
in 2022 most on here are going to be lambasting FIFA for awarding the competition to Qatar because of the lack of atmosphere due to half-empty grounds. There are also going to be many cultural issues. For example the authorities are not going to take too kindly to scores of scantily-clad Brazilian female fans (as well as Trinis assuming we make it) parading themselves in public. The same goes for drinking rum and the like. Alcohol consumption is allowed in Qatar but you have to consume it discreetly (indoors). I don't think many fans are going to adhere to those customs (especially the European hooligan element) and we may witness some ugly street battles between fans and riot police (although that will probably happen with the English fans regardless of any alcohol restriction) The other issue with Qatar is going to be the temperature. They claim they can develop these stadia that will have an air conditioned 'bubble' that will protect the players from the soaring heat. In spite of that, it still wouldn't surprise me if we see players dropping like flies and consequently the standard of football is the worst ever in the history of the competition.
I think it unfair and premature to cast a blanket of racism on all of Russia but I guess we'll see when the time comes.
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Qatar over the USA, didnt jack assure Obama thta USA would get it in 2022 ???
Can you prove that Warner promised USA his vote?
Also can you prove that Warner did not vote for the USA?
At the end of the day, money talks & Obama walks!
England learnt the same lesson yesterday!
The only thing that has been proven (in a court of law) is that Warner promised our 2006 World Cup players 50% of the World Cup profits and as we all know they still waiting for that promise to be honoured.
Now both England & the USA know exactly how our 2006 World Cup players feel!
Let down is not the word!!
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/sports/Warner_stands_behind_USA_bid-111164019.html
Warner stands behind USA bid
Story Created: Dec 1, 2010 at 10:49 PM ECT
Story Updated: Dec 1, 2010 at 10:49 PM ECT
With less than one day to go before the crucial vote by the FIFA Executive Committee to determine the host nations of the 2018 and 2022 World Cup, the bid teams are all focusing their attention on the decisive CONCACAF vote.
Yesterday CONCACAF President Jack Warner met with former US President and head of the US Bid delegation Bill Clinton, as well as president of the English team, Prince William
England are lobbying for the 2018 World Cup and the US are seeking to host the premier football event in 2022.
At yesterday's meeting with the former US president, Warner once again reiterated his commitment to America's bid .
"President you have nothing to fear. My CONCACAF colleagues and I are fully behind the US bid. As I told your current president yesterday, the US is part of the CONCACAF family and we will not abandon our family."
"I am fully behind the US bid."
Clinton thanked Warner for his continued support saying, "it is not possible without your support Jack and I'm happy you are fully on board."
Warner, who is the longest serving vice-president of FIFA , also met with Prince William and Bid Ambassador David Beckham yesterday at the Bur au Lac hotel in Zurich.
Warner took time to congratulate the Prince on his engagement, jokingly telling him that a good marriage is like good football game: "to win it, you must be determined and willing to work hard, and your tactics may have to change from time to time."
Today Bid teams vying for the rights to host the 2022 World Cup: Australia, Qatar, USA and Japan all made presentations before the FIFA Executive Committee.
Today, the countries hoping to win the rights to host the 2018 World Cup will make their final presentations
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Now Trinis go have to get Visa to visit the UK :beermug:
I actually embrace that idea,it should be like that all over the world,we need ah visa to go england they need ah visa to come trini. Simple no problem!!!
uhh... i thought we needed visas to go to the UK :-\ didnt they make it a requirement a few yrs ago or im confusing them w/ another country?
Me eh no I was only responding to the post and quite frankly I don't care.
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Now Trinis go have to get Visa to visit the UK :beermug:
I actually embrace that idea,it should be like that all over the world,we need ah visa to go england they need ah visa to come trini. Simple no problem!!!
uhh... i thought we needed visas to go to the UK :-\ didnt they make it a requirement a few yrs ago or im confusing them w/ another country?
Me eh no I was only responding to the post and quite frankly I don't care.
no visa required for visits... I now come back from dey
visas required for work and other business of course
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So much time had been invested in courting Warner. A friendly international in his native Trinidad and Tobago in June 2008. A subsequent visit from David Beckham, who ended up, with his son Brooklyn, staying in Warner's home. 'I have a great relationship with Jack,' said Beckham on the eve of yesterday's vote. At least he thought he did.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1335208/2018-World-Cup-bid-England-ticked-boxes-Warner-broke-word-dark-politics-took-over.html#ixzz173Vyz9AJ
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Just want to add a couple thoughts.
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I was listening ot 5Live from Wednesday night and it was sad. they were mentioning the news that Putin was not going to travel and they started out saying that put soem doubt over the Russian bid. That was fine it was common paper talk but by th ened of teh program they were describing the Russian bid as being "in retreat" and saying that it was between Spain and England. Evrybody on the programme describe the Dutch/DBelgian bid as being absolute no-hopers (they get more votes than the English). In one hour they went from beinghopefullyoptimistic to over confident.
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The England bid was in disarry. For 2006 they and SA lose out to Germany. While England have Bobby Charlton and Lineker pressing flesh and sharing food and drinks, beckenbauer was in the backrooms getting actual votes. Now beckenbauer might be one of the brightest men to ever play football. England just does not have a character with that kind of football resume, politcal skill, business savy and intelligence. You need to have people who could get the ear od these FIFA execs and make real deals not just give them photo-ops with future kings and oin-up stars. More importantly Beckenbauer has close realtions with the DFB and the Bundesliga whereas Geoff Thompson has no pull in the FA and the Premier League.
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England had a former FIFA communications director on the bid at the start, Andreas Herren plus another FIFA insider. They drafted the bid plan but more importantly know what goes on in the negotiations and have the ear of Blatter. The bid committe had infighting they bring in Triesman to lead it and he ask everybody to reapply. Guess what? Herren went to the Russians to lead up their communications the next one went to Australia.
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FIFA must know that the fan experience in Russia and Qatar will not rival England and the US. There will be fewer fans and less money for the host nation and by extension FIFA from gates. But I was reading Grant Wahl and Marcotti yesterday and one of them made a good point. By the time 2018 and 2022 come around it will be all about TV/internet/apps. Despite the less than stellar attendances and annoying in stadium atmosphere of 2010 they still make a killing on TV so they banking on more of the same. This WC they had apps to stream live audio coverage to your phone and highlights during the game. That was unimaginable in 2002. In 2018 I fully expect live games to be streamed everywhere including phones on a PPV basis. That is the kinda money that dwarfs any cut of the gate receipts they might expect.
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I don't think the US could fault Jack for losing 2022. They clearly got his vote and they might have even sold the three 2018 votes to Russia to get some of those 2022 votes that they picked up in the later voting rounds for 2022. he just didn't have enough juice to pull it off. At the end of the day Blatter wanted Russia and Qatar and is only so many delegates would go against him in either vote.
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I agree that England should give up this bidding business. It not for them at all. And if they win one now everybody will suspect that it is because they bend over backwards and play the dirty game too. But FIFA ia a pack of scoundrels and they will always solicit them and make them feel they have a chance as an opportunity for further graft
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So much time had been invested in courting Warner. A friendly international in his native Trinidad and Tobago in June 2008. A subsequent visit from David Beckham, who ended up, with his son Brooklyn, staying in Warner's home. 'I have a great relationship with Jack,' said Beckham on the eve of yesterday's vote. At least he thought he did.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1335208/2018-World-Cup-bid-England-ticked-boxes-Warner-broke-word-dark-politics-took-over.html#ixzz173Vyz9AJ
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2018 World Cup bid: England ticked all the boxes then Warner broke his word and the 'dark politics' took over
That headline have me cracking up with the phrase 'dark politics' especially after looking at the Picture of deceit: with Warner, flanked by Africa's Issa Hayatou and UEFA president Michel Platini.
The British media really crying about this decision yes!! 8)
Men will have to hide their T&T passports from now on when they in Britain!! :devil:
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FT Score
Warner 3 - England 0
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:rotfl:Now Trinis go have to get Visa to visit the UK :beermug:
I actually embrace that idea,it should be like that all over the world,we need ah visa to go england they need ah visa to come trini. Simple no problem!!!
uhh... i thought we needed visas to go to the UK :-\ didnt they make it a requirement a few yrs ago or im confusing them w/ another country?
Me eh no I was only responding to the post and quite frankly I don't care.
no visa required for visits... I now come back from dey
visas required for work and other business of course
Gopee Scoon did do what dey ask b4 dey slap it on we.
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assuming that they did get warner's votes and got into the 2nd round of voting wouldnt the odds have still been highly against them? russia almost had it in the bag by the time they got into the 3rd round. england needs to realise that they didnt try hard enough or tried too hard in the wrong ways. they should have focused less on getting 1 man's vote and put more effort into convincing others.
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assuming that they did get warner's votes and got into the 2nd round of voting wouldnt the odds have still been highly against them? russia almost had it in the bag by the time they got into the 3rd round. england needs to realise that they didnt try hard enough or tried too hard in the wrong ways. they should have focused less on getting 1 man's vote and put more effort into convincing others.
Dey were made 2 blieve dat JW would get it 4 dem dey through there eggs in his basket and he through dem under d DOUBLE DECKER BUS. Even if dey had lost out that would have hurt dem but d fact dat he took dem round d mulberry bush and then eh vote 4 dem hurting dem badddddd badddddddd badddddddd.
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it have anybody that Warner eh pull ah fast one on? :devil:
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it have anybody that Warner eh pull ah fast one on? :devil:
GODDDDDDDDDD
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Forumites ah just getting the feeling Jacks loooooong rope is coming to an end !!!!!!! If the US launches a campaign against him he's in deep dodo.No amount of small island votes going to get him back in power.The US will buy them out too.We already know the hispanics doh like him so he needs US support which he may have lost.
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Forumites ah just getting the feeling Jacks loooooong rope is coming to an end !!!!!!! If the US launches a campaign against him he's in deep dodo.No amount of small island votes going to get him back in power.The US will buy them out too.We already know the hispanics doh like him so he needs US support which he may have lost.
Where is the evidence that Warner did not vote for the USA (in his own confederation)?
Its possible that he voted for the USA but they still lost out in the end to Qatar as Warner is not the only one who votes!
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For the last five days in Zurich, Jack Warner's chauffeur-driven Fifa limousine has nosed its way through the city's traffic to take the 67-year-old former school teacher to meetings with Prince William, David Cameron and David Beckham, who have treated Warner like a friend and ally.
I didn't know he was a school teacher...did anyone here ever have him for class?
Yes a friend of mine was in his class at Polytechnic
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Forumites ah just getting the feeling Jacks loooooong rope is coming to an end !!!!!!! If the US launches a campaign against him he's in deep dodo.No amount of small island votes going to get him back in power.The US will buy them out too.We already know the hispanics doh like him so he needs US support which he may have lost.
Where is the evidence that Warner did not vote for the USA (in his own confederation)?
Its possible that he voted for the USA but they still lost out in the end to Qatar as Warner is not the only one who votes!
APPERENTLY ENGLAND FELT SO
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Forumites ah just getting the feeling Jacks loooooong rope is coming to an end !!!!!!! If the US launches a campaign against him he's in deep dodo.No amount of small island votes going to get him back in power.The US will buy them out too.We already know the hispanics doh like him so he needs US support which he may have lost.
Wrong... Jack and Chuck and Sunil is best of friends... the USA lost and so did Jack
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In as much as FIFA is a corrupt organization that f**k them over properly, the English need to start any inquisition by taking a long hard look at themselves.
What could be the possible motivation for the BBC to launch into an all out attack on FIFA at such a critical stage of the bid process??
The English media does constantly shoot their own country in the foot over and over. From overhyping their sports players to the point of applying insurmountable pressure on the eve of big tournaments (England WC teams, ASHES cricket teams, Tim Henman). From sabotaging their teams' successes at critical stages by launching into scandalous tabloid reporting at the most crucial stages eg. WAGS scandal at 2006 to all the scandulous tabloid reporting of the John Terry saga in 2010.
It is straight profiteering.
They wait until the whole nation eyes fixated on their team, or on their bid etc to use that audience base to publish scandal throw them off the rails. How dumb can you be?
If you look at other European countries like Italy, stuff like that is swept under the carpet because in the big picture, the nonsense is comparatively mundane.
What BBC did is tantamount to minor league treason.
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it have anybody that Warner eh pull ah fast one on? :devil:
GODDDDDDDDDD
*chooks fire*
Well.....dahs assuming he does pay tithe (according to Malachi 3:8). I could imagine he and tithes......might work out just like de 50% of de money promised to de footballers.
In as much as FIFA is a corrupt organization that f**k them over properly, the English need to start any inquisition by taking a long hard look at themselves.
What could be the possible motivation for the BBC to launch into an all out attack on FIFA at such a critical stage of the bid process??
The English media does constantly shoot their own country in the foot over and over. From overhyping their sports players to the point of applying insurmountable pressure on the eve of big tournaments (England WC teams, ASHES cricket teams, Tim Henman). From sabotaging their teams' successes at critical stages by launching into scandalous tabloid reporting at the most crucial stages eg. WAGS scandal at 2006 to all the scandulous tabloid reporting of the John Terry saga in 2010.
It is straight profiteering.
They wait until the whole nation eyes fixated on their team, or on their bid etc to use that audience base to publish scandal throw them off the rails. How dumb can you be?
If you look at other European countries like Italy, stuff like that is swept under the carpet because in the big picture, the nonsense is comparatively mundane.
What BBC did is tantamount to minor league treason.
And yes...while dat may be true....I still find de whole sequence of events laughable.
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In as much as FIFA is a corrupt organization that f**k them over properly, the English need to start any inquisition by taking a long hard look at themselves.
What could be the possible motivation for the BBC to launch into an all out attack on FIFA at such a critical stage of the bid process??
The English media does constantly shoot their own country in the foot over and over. From overhyping their sports players to the point of applying insurmountable pressure on the eve of big tournaments (England WC teams, ASHES cricket teams, Tim Henman). From sabotaging their teams' successes at critical stages by launching into scandalous tabloid reporting at the most crucial stages eg. WAGS scandal at 2006 to all the scandulous tabloid reporting of the John Terry saga in 2010.
It is straight profiteering.
They wait until the whole nation eyes fixated on their team, or on their bid etc to use that audience base to publish scandal throw them off the rails. How dumb can you be?
If you look at other European countries like Italy, stuff like that is swept under the carpet because in the big picture, the nonsense is comparatively mundane.
What BBC did is tantamount to minor league treason.
I disagree.
It is a free press. Even if the press was openly antagonistic to the bid that would be their right. In this case their motivation in exposing FIFA is more financial than altruistic, but I taking even that over a press structure that would be silenced to serve some government or Nationalistic goal.
That kinda lockstep thinking and singular pursuit of national objectives by the press rarely has good consequences.
At the end of the day the press has a market that they serve and if they weren't satisfying the country's need for these stories they would suffer consequences. At the end of the day the people like the scandalousness.
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In as much as FIFA is a corrupt organization that f**k them over properly, the English need to start any inquisition by taking a long hard look at themselves.
What could be the possible motivation for the BBC to launch into an all out attack on FIFA at such a critical stage of the bid process??
The English media does constantly shoot their own country in the foot over and over. From overhyping their sports players to the point of applying insurmountable pressure on the eve of big tournaments (England WC teams, ASHES cricket teams, Tim Henman). From sabotaging their teams' successes at critical stages by launching into scandalous tabloid reporting at the most crucial stages eg. WAGS scandal at 2006 to all the scandulous tabloid reporting of the John Terry saga in 2010.
It is straight profiteering.
They wait until the whole nation eyes fixated on their team, or on their bid etc to use that audience base to publish scandal throw them off the rails. How dumb can you be?
If you look at other European countries like Italy, stuff like that is swept under the carpet because in the big picture, the nonsense is comparatively mundane.
What BBC did is tantamount to minor league treason.
I disagree.
It is a free press. Even if the press was openly antagonistic to the bid that would be their right. In this case their motivation in exposing FIFA is more financial than altruistic, but I taking even that over a press structure that would be silenced to serve some government or Nationalistic goal.
That kinda lockstep thinking and singular pursuit of national objectives by the press rarely has good consequences.
At the end of the day the press has a market that they serve and if they weren't satisfying the country's need for these stories they would suffer consequences. At the end of the day the people like the scandalousness.
I agree it is a free press, but every press is control and filtered by sovereign entities that are able to push an agenda. It is never entirely objective, that much is a fact.
My whole issue is with the timing of it all which points to an agenda.
Obviously the expose was timed to coincide with the most crucial stage of the bidding process. Why not launch that a few months ago, or a few months after the bid?
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Well, Elan, thank you for your clarification on the duty of the press.
For 4 years, aside from Liburd, the only journalists asking real questions about Warner and FIFA were English. I don't recall the Russian or Qatari media enlightening their citizens about the corruption in FIFA. The reason why is that they don't enjoy the luxury of a free press. In the FIFA press ratings, both countries scored the lowest...which means they would be no threat to FIFA. This vote was about 3 things....
1)minimising the ability of the press, thereby the citizens, of the host country to enjoy any transparency of the financial transactions surrounding the tournaments
2) The potential of billions of petro dollars filtering into FIFA pockets
3) The expansion of FIFAs global markets
This was a cynical decision based on money and secrecy. FIFA do not want to operate under the glare of media inspection.
As much as people may despise England, how can it make sense to stage World Cups in countries with very little football interest?
Would the NFL play matches in Bosnia?
Would ICC play matches in Sweden?
Would the IOC put the winter olympics in Jamaica (even if the Jamaicans promised to build mountains and snow making machines and then distribute these to 3rd world countries after the games)?
Of course not.
A world cup in England is the dream of most true football supporters and players of any nationality.
The stadiums are there, the climate is right, the supporters (of any qualifying nation) are there.
Racism is practically non existent.
How can Qatar beat Australia? How can Qatar beat USA?
The British press, on the whole, kept quiet in order for the bid to get its best chance. Is this wrong? Maybe. But trust me, if we had won, they would immediately begin to ensure that there were no financial misappropriations. Thats what FIFA were scared of.
So people may laugh that England were dismissed. But today, the English are laughing at the football world. The world cup lost its magic and credibility yesterday and the world of football will be poorer.
And, guys, believe me, this effects T&T. People think T&T is corrupt because thats the impression created by Warner. And the fact that the Trini media continually fail to investigate Warner just adds to that belief.
People in England are bitter, and they won't forget this for a long time. The future King of England was lied to his face by Jack. You think he's gonna forget that?
Trinis should be ashamed that the best known trini is Jack Warner. He's flying your flag, and its embarrassing. I find myself defending T&T. All English people know is that this guy is a crook and he's fromTrinidad.
Its a sad day for England & Trinidad
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I agree it is a free press, but every press is control and filtered by sovereign entities that are able to push an agenda. It is never entirely objective, that much is a fact.
My whole issue is with the timing of it all which points to an agenda.
Obviously the expose was timed to coincide with the most crucial stage of the bidding process. Why not launch that a few months ago, or a few months after the bid?
If they are agenda driven you scould say that Monday night gave them the most impact. Likewise if it is just money then Monday night gives them the best viewership. Unlike the papers Panorama and Jennings not making no money so for them it is about putting FIFA on blast.
They clearly not that interested in the bid and/or knows that they wouldn't have much effect anyway. Either way it still better than having anybody dictate when or what they should broadcast.
The downside of a free press in this case is far outweighed by the good of having one in all other aspects of life. In the garans scheme hosting a WC can't be that important.
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Sorry England
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVC2j_Kdw8c
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I disagree.
It is a free press. Even if the press was openly antagonistic to the bid that would be their right. In this case their motivation in exposing FIFA is more financial than altruistic, but I taking even that over a press structure that would be silenced to serve some government or Nationalistic goal.
That kinda lockstep thinking and singular pursuit of national objectives by the press rarely has good consequences.
At the end of the day the press has a market that they serve and if they weren't satisfying the country's need for these stories they would suffer consequences. At the end of the day the people like the scandalousness.
If they are agenda driven you scould say that Monday night gave them the most impact. Likewise if it is just money then Monday night gives them the best viewership. Unlike the papers Panorama and Jennings not making no money so for them it is about putting FIFA on blast.
They clearly not that interested in the bid and/or knows that they wouldn't have much effect anyway. Either way it still better than having anybody dictate when or what they should broadcast.
The downside of a free press in this case is far outweighed by the good of having one in all other aspects of life. In the grand scheme hosting a WC can't be that important.
Two great posts... Bravo
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Side note on the Qatari question:
Yesterday I was talking about the selection on facebook with a good friend of mine from UAE... I mentioned that although no one doubts Qatar's ability to host an event of this magnitude, especially since they have tons of money at their disposal, Qatar's main challenges will be related to creating a completely climate-controlled infrastructure to keep people out the heat, temporarily relaxing social norms to allow for drinking, scantily clad girls and the like, and then convincing the World that this is a tournament for "everyone" to attend. Here's what he had to say:
"Infrastructure is not a problem, they will be building pretty much a world cup city just for the event with 5 world class stadiums away from current Qatari cities with new hotels and road systems to handle the event. The laws in Qatar are not that strict but the social norms will be something to deal with. Especially since soccer is the #1 sport in the middle east and many arabs will be coming from neighboring countries- i can see that as being an issue but Qatar is looking to be the hub for soccer in the middle east and i can see them putting great efforts to be as liberal as possible to keep a good image for future events. Also Qatar is very safe, low risk of crime for fans, unlike Brazil"
Guess I'll start saving for Qatar from now...
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I am disapointed we didn't get it but far from suprised this decision was made a while ago.
Cameron and the rest knew exactly what / who they were cuddling upto and I would be amazed if the result came as a major shock, afterall they are all politicians and if any of them told me it was daylight I would walk to the nearest window to check. I don't think any lessons will be learned at all.
Not everybody in the country was comfortable with the necessities that went along with the bidding process given the history of those involved. The BBC aren't well thought of at FIFA and indeed the journalist is banned, The Sunday Times is owned by an Australian now so no big suprise there either. For those saying the timing was bad there would never be a good time, it will always be blamed if aired beforehand, if aired afterwards it would be viewed as sour grapes. It only pointed out the facts and as we all know I don't think any of those people implicated would of survived in any other body. The press in this country will get blamed but I suspect they are already working on it.
It maybe just me but I have had the impression for a long time that FIFA delegates believe they are untouchable and behave as such, Fatter being a prime example, his crass attempt at a joke about the handball (Ireland / France) last world cup was just embarrasing and totally out of order, I have read today he was asked to name a Quatar player and responded with Eric Clapton.
The problem with an organisation like that is somebody is always looking for a last payday and I suspect the press will make it worthwhile to someone. Its only a matter of when not if imho. The biggest joke is FIFA's logo of Fair Play.
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Side note on the Qatari question:
Yesterday I was talking about the selection on facebook with a good friend of mine from UAE... I mentioned that although no one doubts Qatar's ability to host an event of this magnitude, especially since they have tons of money at their disposal, Qatar's main challenges will be related to creating a completely climate-controlled infrastructure to keep people out the heat, temporarily relaxing social norms to allow for drinking, scantily clad girls and the like, and then convincing the World that this is a tournament for "everyone" to attend. Here's what he had to say:
"Infrastructure is not a problem, they will be building pretty much a world cup city just for the event with 5 world class stadiums away from current Qatari cities with new hotels and road systems to handle the event. The laws in Qatar are not that strict but the social norms will be something to deal with. Especially since soccer is the #1 sport in the middle east and many arabs will be coming from neighboring countries- i can see that as being an issue but Qatar is looking to be the hub for soccer in the middle east and i can see them putting great efforts to be as liberal as possible to keep a good image for future events. Also Qatar is very safe, low risk of crime for fans, unlike Brazil :)"
Guess I'll start saving for Qatar from now...
A lot of people have no idea how HUGE football is in the middle east. And I also think a lot of the resistance to Qatar hosting it is majorly down to plain ignorance and some xenophobia
I for one have no problem with Qatar being awarded the World Cup. Football is advertised as THE WORLD'S GAME. But for some people apparently it's showpiece event must only be held in certain parts of the world.
Maybe now a whole demographic of football lovers will be able to realize THEIR dream of attending a World Cup Finals in a familiar environment.
Just like when some of them have to travel to western countries and endure people wantonly getting drunk in the streets under the guise of "partying", now people from western countries will have to deal with a different environment.
It was the same sort of thing that happened when South Africa was given the World Cup to host.
Same ting with Russia. It's a no brainer for the largest country in the world with a solid football tradition be given the right to host the World Cup.
I eh go lie, it would be much easier for ME to travel to either England or the USA. And for sure I would rather go to either than Russia or Qatar. But the same way I feel so, it have millions who would rather go to Russia and Qatar. And one ting we have in common is a love of football.
And for those that talk about racism in Russia, ah bettin if de Spain and Portugal bid did win, yuh wouldn't hear nutting bout racism despite the NUMEROUS occasions that black players in Spain have been abused...including Ronaldinho and Eto'o.
Congrats to Russia AND Qatar.
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Side note on the Qatari question:
Yesterday I was talking about the selection on facebook with a good friend of mine from UAE... I mentioned that although no one doubts Qatar's ability to host an event of this magnitude, especially since they have tons of money at their disposal, Qatar's main challenges will be related to creating a completely climate-controlled infrastructure to keep people out the heat, temporarily relaxing social norms to allow for drinking, scantily clad girls and the like, and then convincing the World that this is a tournament for "everyone" to attend. Here's what he had to say:
"Infrastructure is not a problem, they will be building pretty much a world cup city just for the event with 5 world class stadiums away from current Qatari cities with new hotels and road systems to handle the event. The laws in Qatar are not that strict but the social norms will be something to deal with. Especially since soccer is the #1 sport in the middle east and many arabs will be coming from neighboring countries- i can see that as being an issue but Qatar is looking to be the hub for soccer in the middle east and i can see them putting great efforts to be as liberal as possible to keep a good image for future events. Also Qatar is very safe, low risk of crime for fans, unlike Brazil :)"
Guess I'll start saving for Qatar from now...
A lot of people have no idea how HUGE football is in the middle east. And I also think a lot of the resistance to Qatar hosting it is majorly down to plain ignorance and some xenophobia
I for one have no problem with Qatar being awarded the World Cup. Football is advertised as THE WORLD'S GAME. But for some people apparently it's showpiece event must only be held in certain parts of the world.
Maybe now a whole demographic of football lovers will be able to realize THEIR dream of attending a World Cup Finals in a familiar environment.
Just like when some of them have to travel to western countries and endure people wantonly getting drunk in the streets under the guise of "partying", now people from western countries will have to deal with a different environment.
It was the same sort of thing that happened when South Africa was given the World Cup to host.
Same ting with Russia. It's a no brainer for the largest country in the world with a solid football tradition be given the right to host the World Cup.
I eh go lie, it would be much easier for ME to travel to either England or the USA. And for sure I would rather go to either than Russia or Qatar. But the same way I feel so, it have millions who would rather go to Russia and Qatar. And one ting we have in common is a love of football.
And for those that talk about racism in Russia, ah bettin if de Spain and Portugal bid did win, yuh wouldn't hear nutting bout racism despite the NUMEROUS occasions that black players in Spain have been abused...including Ronaldinho and Eto'o.
Congrats to Russia AND Qatar.
Good post and insight.
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A reminder why the sun has set on the empire ...
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As much as people may despise England, how can it make sense to stage World Cups in countries with very little football interest?
Would the NFL play matches in Bosnia?
Would ICC play matches in Sweden?
Would the IOC put the winter olympics in Jamaica (even if the Jamaicans promised to build mountains and snow making machines and then distribute these to 3rd world countries after the games)?
Of course not.
In the quiet words of the virgin Mary, "Come again?"
You don't think that football is the #1 sport in both countries?
How do you reason that they have "very little football interest"?
Edit:
Even if football was not #1 in those countries, how about USA 1994?
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Well, Elan, thank you for your clarification on the duty of the press.
For 4 years, aside from Liburd, the only journalists asking real questions about Warner and FIFA were English. I don't recall the Russian or Qatari media enlightening their citizens about the corruption in FIFA. The reason why is that they don't enjoy the luxury of a free press. In the FIFA press ratings, both countries scored the lowest...which means they would be no threat to FIFA. This vote was about 3 things....
1)minimising the ability of the press, thereby the citizens, of the host country to enjoy any transparency of the financial transactions surrounding the tournaments
2) The potential of billions of petro dollars filtering into FIFA pockets
3) The expansion of FIFAs global markets
This was a cynical decision based on money and secrecy. FIFA do not want to operate under the glare of media inspection.
As much as people may despise England, how can it make sense to stage World Cups in countries with very little football interest?
Would the NFL play matches in Bosnia?
Would ICC play matches in Sweden?
Would the IOC put the winter olympics in Jamaica (even if the Jamaicans promised to build mountains and snow making machines and then distribute these to 3rd world countries after the games)?
Of course not.
A world cup in England is the dream of most true football supporters and players of any nationality.
The stadiums are there, the climate is right, the supporters (of any qualifying nation) are there.
Racism is practically non existent.
How can Qatar beat Australia? How can Qatar beat USA?
The British press, on the whole, kept quiet in order for the bid to get its best chance. Is this wrong? Maybe. But trust me, if we had won, they would immediately begin to ensure that there were no financial misappropriations. Thats what FIFA were scared of.
So people may laugh that England were dismissed. But today, the English are laughing at the football world. The world cup lost its magic and credibility yesterday and the world of football will be poorer.
And, guys, believe me, this effects T&T. People think T&T is corrupt because thats the impression created by Warner. And the fact that the Trini media continually fail to investigate Warner just adds to that belief.
People in England are bitter, and they won't forget this for a long time. The future King of England was lied to his face by Jack. You think he's gonna forget that?
Trinis should be ashamed that the best known trini is Jack Warner. He's flying your flag, and its embarrassing. I find myself defending T&T. All English people know is that this guy is a crook and he's fromTrinidad.
Its a sad day for England & Trinidad
I hate to quote the entire thing... but well-said. God knows that Trinidad ent big enough in the minds of the rest of the world such that they would separate us from crooked shenanigans of Jack Warner. Simple name association... Trinidad & Tobago= Jack Warner= backwater corrupt third world nation.
Remember, it's not lost on these people that 'we' elected this man to our Parliament, to them that is tacit endorsement of his practices.
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Beetween Football Supporter and Palos posts I vacillating
They both make very good points...esp. w/ regard to Qatar
although football supporter lorse mih wit dat future king of england ting...WFC bout dem relics
Nevertheless, under table money clearly did pass..so everyones salient points are kinda moot
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Well, Elan, thank you for your clarification on the duty of the press.
For 4 years, aside from Liburd, the only journalists asking real questions about Warner and FIFA were English. I don't recall the Russian or Qatari media enlightening their citizens about the corruption in FIFA. The reason why is that they don't enjoy the luxury of a free press. In the FIFA press ratings, both countries scored the lowest...which means they would be no threat to FIFA. This vote was about 3 things....
1)minimising the ability of the press, thereby the citizens, of the host country to enjoy any transparency of the financial transactions surrounding the tournaments
2) The potential of billions of petro dollars filtering into FIFA pockets
3) The expansion of FIFAs global markets
This was a cynical decision based on money and secrecy. FIFA do not want to operate under the glare of media inspection.
As much as people may despise England, how can it make sense to stage World Cups in countries with very little football interest?
Would the NFL play matches in Bosnia?
Would ICC play matches in Sweden?
Would the IOC put the winter olympics in Jamaica (even if the Jamaicans promised to build mountains and snow making machines and then distribute these to 3rd world countries after the games)?
Of course not.
A world cup in England is the dream of most true football supporters and players of any nationality.
The stadiums are there, the climate is right, the supporters (of any qualifying nation) are there.
Racism is practically non existent.
How can Qatar beat Australia? How can Qatar beat USA?
The British press, on the whole, kept quiet in order for the bid to get its best chance. Is this wrong? Maybe. But trust me, if we had won, they would immediately begin to ensure that there were no financial misappropriations. Thats what FIFA were scared of.
So people may laugh that England were dismissed. But today, the English are laughing at the football world. The world cup lost its magic and credibility yesterday and the world of football will be poorer.
And, guys, believe me, this effects T&T. People think T&T is corrupt because thats the impression created by Warner. And the fact that the Trini media continually fail to investigate Warner just adds to that belief.
People in England are bitter, and they won't forget this for a long time. The future King of England was lied to his face by Jack. You think he's gonna forget that?
Trinis should be ashamed that the best known trini is Jack Warner. He's flying your flag, and its embarrassing. I find myself defending T&T. All English people know is that this guy is a crook and he's fromTrinidad.
Its a sad day for England & Trinidad
I hate to quote the entire thing... but well-said. God knows that Trinidad ent big enough in the minds of the rest of the world such that they would separate us from crooked shenanigans of Jack Warner. Simple name association... Trinidad & Tobago= Jack Warner= backwater corrupt third world nation.
Remember, it's not lost on these people that 'we' elected this man to our Parliament, to them that is tacit endorsement of his practices.
As I said in another post, Jack's name is dirt here. Fact - the average man on the street is not associating TnT wid Jack Warner (mainly because they couldnt care less where he is from, he is just some black man from a foreign country) but the British govt is likely to hold a grudge for some time.
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Nevertheless, under table money clearly did pass..so everyones salient points are kinda moot
Under de table money passin is a fact of life.
It have no more corrupt organisation than the IOC
Money does pass wit de ICC
It does pass wit de CDC
Money passin, over, under, through, round, behind, all over de place. Dat is life and who tink tings like who get to host Superbowl, Olympics, Cricket World Cup, Panorama etc is a transparent process jes bein naive.
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Nevertheless, under table money clearly did pass..so everyones salient points are kinda moot
Under de table money passin is a fact of life.
It have no more corrupt organisation than the IOC
Money does pass wit de ICC
It does pass wit de CDC
Money passin, over, under, through, round, behind, all over de place. Dat is life and who tink tings like who get to host Superbowl, Olympics, Cricket World Cup, Panorama etc is a transparent process jes bein naive.
cynical view... but that is life i guess :-\
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Just want to add a couple thoughts.
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I was listening ot 5Live from Wednesday night and it was sad. they were mentioning the news that Putin was not going to travel and they started out saying that put soem doubt over the Russian bid. That was fine it was common paper talk but by th ened of teh program they were describing the Russian bid as being "in retreat" and saying that it was between Spain and England. Evrybody on the programme describe the Dutch/DBelgian bid as being absolute no-hopers (they get more votes than the English). In one hour they went from beinghopefullyoptimistic to over confident.
Yeah, d British media went rel overboard....the general feeling here on Monday was that we were outsiders, by Thursday we had installed ourselves as the favourites....for no good reason.
The England bid was in disarry. For 2006 they and SA lose out to Germany.
They lost because they had agreed to cede WC 2006 to Germany in return for Germany stepping aside when England wanted Euro 96. They then broke their promise, which did not go down well they were seen as cheats and their bid tanked. Jack backed them though, which is why courted him again this time around.
This WC they had apps to stream live audio coverage to your phone and highlights during the game. That was unimaginable in 2002. In 2018 I fully expect live games to be streamed everywhere including phones on a PPV basis. That is the kinda money that dwarfs any cut of the gate receipts they might expect.
Many TV channels here in Britain already broadcast on mobiles...I pay £6 per month for a Sky Sports/ESPN subscription, and watched many world cup games on my Iphone. The technology was already there. I doubt it will become PPV since there are laws in many countries requiring WC games to be free.
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So much time had been invested in courting Warner. A friendly international in his native Trinidad and Tobago in June 2008. A subsequent visit from David Beckham, who ended up, with his son Brooklyn, staying in Warner's home. 'I have a great relationship with Jack,' said Beckham on the eve of yesterday's vote. At least he thought he did.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1335208/2018-World-Cup-bid-England-ticked-boxes-Warner-broke-word-dark-politics-took-over.html#ixzz173Vyz9AJ
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Boy Jack Warner is seriously crooked
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So qualifying for Germany '06 is no history...this is why these felllas can't come to terms with the fact that will not win a World Cup any time soon, unless they change their coaching philosophy. Any one smelling inflated ego. The EPL is what it is because of the legion of foreign players that ply their trade there.
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The England bid was in disarry. For 2006 they and SA lose out to Germany.
They lost because they had agreed to cede WC 2006 to Germany in return for Germany stepping aside when England wanted Euro 96. They then broke their promise, which did not go down well they were seen as cheats and their bid tanked. Jack backed them though, which is why courted him again this time around.
I know the history surrounding the bid. My point was that Germany were far superior to England at the lobbying process, so much so that they were able to wrest it from SA who were huge favourites
This WC they had apps to stream live audio coverage to your phone and highlights during the game. That was unimaginable in 2002. In 2018 I fully expect live games to be streamed everywhere including phones on a PPV basis. That is the kinda money that dwarfs any cut of the gate receipts they might expect.
Many TV channels here in Britain already broadcast on mobiles...I pay £6 per month for a Sky Sports/ESPN subscription, and watched many world cup games on my Iphone. The technology was already there. I doubt it will become PPV since there are laws in many countries requiring WC games to be free.[/quote]
A $6/month subscription is a type of PPV. Likewise over here for phone servicce you had a pay a one-time fee to access live content on the app. My point was that just as these weren't common options 8 years ago, in 8 years time they will reach a much wider segment of the world market. Also the games are never free. There may be requirements that rightsholders make them available on free to air networks but the rights have to be paid for by the rights holders. It is just a question of whether they recoup their money with advertising or cable subscriptions. Also it is unlikely that any of these laws would apply to a secondary distribution media like phones.
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A $6/month subscription is a type of PPV. Likewise over here for phone servicce you had a pay a one-time fee to access live content on the app. My point was that just as these weren't common options 8 years ago, in 8 years time they will reach a much wider segment of the world market. Also the games are never free. There may be requirements that rightsholders make them available on free to air networks but the rights have to be paid for by the rights holders. It is just a question of whether they recoup their money with advertising or cable subscriptions. Also it is unlikely that any of these laws would apply to a secondary distribution media like phones.
I dunno who paid what, but there were also free 2 air channels broadcasting WC games on mobile here in England, in addition to Sky/ESPN.
Anyway, I get yuh point.
Personally I dont know if a mobile PPV model (in its narrowest form) would boost profits too much...most people are never too far from a TV. And internet broadcasting of PPV events has failed badly to date.
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... So people may laugh that England were dismissed. But today, the English are laughing at the football world. The world cup lost its magic and credibility yesterday and the world of football will be poorer. ...
i personally agree with this statement. But in the overall scheme of things, Money will overshadow this loss of magic. For example, the Olympics have been plagued with accusations of corruption, yet the IOC continues to prevail and the Olympics continue to be a big attraction with big money tied to it. So will FIFA continue to march into the future.
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I personally don't care where they host the world cup. However I am all for the boycotting of fifa. There honestly needs to be a new governing body for the sport. One that is transparent and without an agenda.
Trouble is this is near impossible to achieve without government intervention, which would be a mess by itself.
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Side note on the Qatari question:
Yesterday I was talking about the selection on facebook with a good friend of mine from UAE... I mentioned that although no one doubts Qatar's ability to host an event of this magnitude, especially since they have tons of money at their disposal, Qatar's main challenges will be related to creating a completely climate-controlled infrastructure to keep people out the heat, temporarily relaxing social norms to allow for drinking, scantily clad girls and the like, and then convincing the World that this is a tournament for "everyone" to attend. Here's what he had to say:
"Infrastructure is not a problem, they will be building pretty much a world cup city just for the event with 5 world class stadiums away from current Qatari cities with new hotels and road systems to handle the event. The laws in Qatar are not that strict but the social norms will be something to deal with. Especially since soccer is the #1 sport in the middle east and many arabs will be coming from neighboring countries- i can see that as being an issue but Qatar is looking to be the hub for soccer in the middle east and i can see them putting great efforts to be as liberal as possible to keep a good image for future events. Also Qatar is very safe, low risk of crime for fans, unlike Brazil :)"
Guess I'll start saving for Qatar from now...
A lot of people have no idea how HUGE football is in the middle east. And I also think a lot of the resistance to Qatar hosting it is majorly down to plain ignorance and some xenophobia
I for one have no problem with Qatar being awarded the World Cup. Football is advertised as THE WORLD'S GAME. But for some people apparently it's showpiece event must only be held in certain parts of the world.
Maybe now a whole demographic of football lovers will be able to realize THEIR dream of attending a World Cup Finals in a familiar environment.
Just like when some of them have to travel to western countries and endure people wantonly getting drunk in the streets under the guise of "partying", now people from western countries will have to deal with a different environment.
It was the same sort of thing that happened when South Africa was given the World Cup to host.
Same ting with Russia. It's a no brainer for the largest country in the world with a solid football tradition be given the right to host the World Cup.
I eh go lie, it would be much easier for ME to travel to either England or the USA. And for sure I would rather go to either than Russia or Qatar. But the same way I feel so, it have millions who would rather go to Russia and Qatar. And one ting we have in common is a love of football.
And for those that talk about racism in Russia, ah bettin if de Spain and Portugal bid did win, yuh wouldn't hear nutting bout racism despite the NUMEROUS occasions that black players in Spain have been abused...including Ronaldinho and Eto'o.
Congrats to Russia AND Qatar.
Sense :beermug:
Big Up!
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I'm not saying England didn't have the best bid, because I think they did but everyone knows that getting the nod from FIFA to host the WC isn't always about being the best. Blatter (at least he acts like) he wants to share the WC around the different parts of the world. What's so wrong with Eastern Europe getting a WC? Western Europe regularly gets it, Italy, France, Germany. And the arrogant tone of the English media is starting to piss me off.
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So much time had been invested in courting Warner. A friendly international in his native Trinidad and Tobago in June 2008. A subsequent visit from David Beckham, who ended up, with his son Brooklyn, staying in Warner's home. 'I have a great relationship with Jack,' said Beckham on the eve of yesterday's vote. At least he thought he did.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1335208/2018-World-Cup-bid-England-ticked-boxes-Warner-broke-word-dark-politics-took-over.html#ixzz173Vyz9AJ
:o
Boy Jack Warner is seriously crooked
Y YUH SOUNDING SOOOOOOOOOO SURPRISE?
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Well, Elan, thank you for your clarification on the duty of the press.
For 4 years, aside from Liburd, the only journalists asking real questions about Warner and FIFA were English. I don't recall the Russian or Qatari media enlightening their citizens about the corruption in FIFA. The reason why is that they don't enjoy the luxury of a free press. In the FIFA press ratings, both countries scored the lowest...which means they would be no threat to FIFA. This vote was about 3 things....
1)minimising the ability of the press, thereby the citizens, of the host country to enjoy any transparency of the financial transactions surrounding the tournaments
2) The potential of billions of petro dollars filtering into FIFA pockets
3) The expansion of FIFAs global markets
This was a cynical decision based on money and secrecy. FIFA do not want to operate under the glare of media inspection.
As much as people may despise England, how can it make sense to stage World Cups in countries with very little football interest?
Would the NFL play matches in Bosnia?
Would ICC play matches in Sweden?
Would the IOC put the winter olympics in Jamaica (even if the Jamaicans promised to build mountains and snow making machines and then distribute these to 3rd world countries after the games)?
Of course not.
A world cup in England is the dream of most true football supporters and players of any nationality.
The stadiums are there, the climate is right, the supporters (of any qualifying nation) are there.
Racism is practically non existent.
How can Qatar beat Australia? How can Qatar beat USA?
The British press, on the whole, kept quiet in order for the bid to get its best chance. Is this wrong? Maybe. But trust me, if we had won, they would immediately begin to ensure that there were no financial misappropriations. Thats what FIFA were scared of.
So people may laugh that England were dismissed. But today, the English are laughing at the football world. The world cup lost its magic and credibility yesterday and the world of football will be poorer.
And, guys, believe me, this effects T&T. People think T&T is corrupt because thats the impression created by Warner. And the fact that the Trini media continually fail to investigate Warner just adds to that belief.
People in England are bitter, and they won't forget this for a long time. The future King of England was lied to his face by Jack. You think he's gonna forget that?
Trinis should be ashamed that the best known trini is Jack Warner. He's flying your flag, and its embarrassing. I find myself defending T&T. All English people know is that this guy is a crook and he's fromTrinidad.
Its a sad day for England & Trinidad
Sad day 4 Trinidad my problem wit d Brits grease d people hand in private. I just find they was 2 obscene.
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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3260095/7-FIFA-Bigwigs-who-vowed-to-support-England-bid.html
By SHAUN CUSTIS, NICK PARKER, Chief Foreign Correspondent, and RHODRI PHILLIPS
Published: Today
SEVEN FIFA fatcats who are accused of destroying England's World Cup bid are named and shamed by The Sun today.
The executive committee members are said to have indicated to our bid team - which included Prince William, PM David Cameron and David Beckham - they could be relied on to pick England to host the 2018 championship just hours before the crucial vote.
Vice president Jack Warner, America's Chuck Blazer, Guatemala's Rafael Salguero, Korea's Chung Mong-Joon, Cyprus's Marios Lefkaritis, Turkey's Senes Erzik and Ivory Coast's Jacques Anouma are the key figures at the centre of the storm.
Each of the seven is said to have indicated their vote was in the bag. It is claimed Warner even put his arm around Wills and told him: "You can rely on me." But in the early hours of Thursday a team of FIFA delegates met with Russia's campaign team at a Zurich hotel.
And in a secret ballot at FIFA's Zurich HQ hours later, England got just two of the 22 votes - neither of which came from the seven. After a second round of voting, FIFA chief Sepp Blatter announced the 2018 World Cup would go to Russia.
A bid insider yesterday said of the seven: "They are a disgrace the lot of them."
Last night, the head of English football announced he is QUITTING because he refuses to deal with the stitch-up merchants of FIFA.
Roger Burden, the acting FA chairman, said he would not stand for the permanent job in protest.
He raged in a letter to FA board members he was "not prepared to deal with people whom I cannot trust". He added: "It's difficult to believe the voting was an objective process."
Meanwhile Andy Anson, chief executive of England's 2018 bid, said: "I'm not going to beat around the bush - individual members promised to vote for us and didn't. Myself, David Cameron, David Beckham and Prince William were looking people in the eye, asking for their vote and being told, 'Yeah'."
He added: "Russia did a lot of last-minute lobbying and votes appeared to switch at the last minute. I still find it hard to believe."
England's two votes came from our own Geoff Thompson and either Japan's Junji Ogura or Cameroon's Issa Hayatou. Turk Erzik's failure to back England is particularly surprising as he is a close friend of Thompson. After the vote Erzik claimed: "It was nothing personal, just business."
Anson was yesterday still struggling to come to terms with Russia's shock victory, which came amid widespread reports of corruption.
He said FIFA insiders were claiming a BBC Panorama probe into alleged bribery among its officials had sunk the UK bid.
Panorama linked three FIFA executive committee members to a £66million backhanders scandal and accused Warner of selling black market World Cup tickets. Anson said: "They are saying to us that our media killed us. I don't believe that for one minute.
"I hope it is a convenient excuse and they just had other reasons for going to Russia. Because for me it's a c*** excuse."
Blatter is believed to have personally assured Mr Cameron that the programme would have no role in the committee's decision. Anson said England should not consider bidding for a World Cup again until the voting system changes.
He added: "I'd say right now don't bother until you know that the process is going to change to allow bids like ours to win.
"When you have the best technical bid, fantastic inspection visits, the best economic report, and from what people told us the best presentation, it's quite hard to stomach that seemed to count for absolutely nothing." Anson said the fact the world leaders such as President Obama had blasted the FIFA voting shambles proved something was badly wrong.
He added: "When you get leaders of some of the top countries in the world questioning the process then I think they have to take a look at themselves. We'll see if they are big enough to do that. It is hard not to feel that to some extent this was all decided ages ago.
"To see that wasn't on people's agenda is tough, really tough.
"It does question whether we should have gone through the whole process."
Bemused Thompson also insisted promises of support had been broken. He said: "I cannot believe what has happened and I am naturally very, very disappointed.
"The votes that were promised clearly didn't materialise." Some of British football's biggest names were shocked by FIFA's snub. Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson said: "It is a big disappointment. I thought the criteria for great stadia, good infrastructure, enthusiastic supporters was really strong for the World Cup."
Liverpool's Roy Hodgson said: "It seemed to be everything was crying out for England to be given the World Cup. I was pretty confident we'd get it."
But former England manager Graham Taylor said: "What did we expect? FIFA, as far as I'm concerned, is full of people who say yes to your face and no behind your back."
The FIFA delegates left Zurich's luxury hotels yesterday - some after lunching on oysters and champagne.
When delegate Ogura was asked by reporters if he believed his FIFA colleagues had been underhand he said: "Yes, I think so."
A Russia expert yesterday questioned whether England had been the victim of a dirty tricks campaign orchestrated by PM Vladimir Putin, an ex-KGB chief.
Author Dr Yuri Felshtinsky said: "Russia in general, and Vladimir Putin, has a long history of using improper influence to gain prestigious events.
"Under the Soviet Union it was chess tournaments. Now it is the Olympics and soccer." The BBC has been swamped with complaints from angry England fans who are convinced the Panorama probe sunk our World Cup chances.
The BBC news website had more than 5,000 complaints in the first hour after the vote - and insiders said they were later coming in at 100 a minute.
The video that helped seal Russia's World Cup win was directed by Brit Rupert Wainwright, who made 1999 horror movie Stigmata.
His campaign film tells of a Russian schoolboy's dream of the 2018 World Cup in his homeland.
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they should just bring back de rotation, this is getting ridiculous...
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they should just bring back de rotation, this is getting ridiculous...
Fairest solution really... didn't even think of that.
but wait... how they supposed tuh make money if they bring it back? :devil:
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rotation is not good for business 8)
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they should just bring back de rotation, this is getting ridiculous...
Rotation how?
Rotation used to mean 1 World Cup held in Europe and the next in South America
Then it expand to the Americas (Mexico and then the USA)...then further to the far east and africa
So if is dat yuh referrin to, de "rotation" is still in effect
1990 Italy
1994 USA
1998 France
2002 Korea/Japan
2006 Germany
2010 South Africa
2014 Brazil
2018 Russia
2022 Qatar
Europe only "miss" 1 turn
Besides....most football lovers does scoff at Basbeall when dey call it de World Series and is only American teams participatin
Yet because de World Cup is TRULY de WORLD CUP...peeps vex it not being hosted in traditonal venues
Hypocritical to me
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Well, Elan, thank you for your clarification on the duty of the press.
For 4 years, aside from Liburd, the only journalists asking real questions about Warner and FIFA were English. I don't recall the Russian or Qatari media enlightening their citizens about the corruption in FIFA. The reason why is that they don't enjoy the luxury of a free press. In the FIFA press ratings, both countries scored the lowest...which means they would be no threat to FIFA. This vote was about 3 things....
1)minimising the ability of the press, thereby the citizens, of the host country to enjoy any transparency of the financial transactions surrounding the tournaments
2) The potential of billions of petro dollars filtering into FIFA pockets
3) The expansion of FIFAs global markets
This was a cynical decision based on money and secrecy. FIFA do not want to operate under the glare of media inspection.
As much as people may despise England, how can it make sense to stage World Cups in countries with very little football interest?
Would the NFL play matches in Bosnia?
Would ICC play matches in Sweden?
Would the IOC put the winter olympics in Jamaica (even if the Jamaicans promised to build mountains and snow making machines and then distribute these to 3rd world countries after the games)?
Of course not.
A world cup in England is the dream of most true football supporters and players of any nationality.
The stadiums are there, the climate is right, the supporters (of any qualifying nation) are there.
Racism is practically non existent.
How can Qatar beat Australia? How can Qatar beat USA?
The British press, on the whole, kept quiet in order for the bid to get its best chance. Is this wrong? Maybe. But trust me, if we had won, they would immediately begin to ensure that there were no financial misappropriations. Thats what FIFA were scared of.
So people may laugh that England were dismissed. But today, the English are laughing at the football world. The world cup lost its magic and credibility yesterday and the world of football will be poorer.
And, guys, believe me, this effects T&T. People think T&T is corrupt because thats the impression created by Warner. And the fact that the Trini media continually fail to investigate Warner just adds to that belief.
People in England are bitter, and they won't forget this for a long time. The future King of England was lied to his face by Jack. You think he's gonna forget that?
Trinis should be ashamed that the best known trini is Jack Warner. He's flying your flag, and its embarrassing. I find myself defending T&T. All English people know is that this guy is a crook and he's fromTrinidad.
Its a sad day for England & Trinidad
and why is that?...steups some ah alyuh like geh carried away yes lol
question: the fifa members are they allowed to say who/if they're goin to vote for you?
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That good for England :devil: :devil: Nice one dey Jack for using them. Show them thats one black man they cant buy and then want some restrictions.
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Actually I think they should rotate it for each confederation, like they had proposed at first.
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they should just bring back de rotation, this is getting ridiculous...
Rotation how?
Rotation used to mean 1 World Cup held in Europe and the next in South America
Then it expand to the Americas (Mexico and then the USA)...then further to the far east and africa
So if is dat yuh referrin to, de "rotation" is still in effect
1990 Italy
1994 USA
1998 France
2002 Korea/Japan
2006 Germany
2010 South Africa
2014 Brazil
2018 Russia
2022 Qatar
Europe only "miss" 1 turn
Besides....most football lovers does scoff at Basbeall when dey call it de World Series and is only American teams participatin
Yet because de World Cup is TRULY de WORLD CUP...peeps vex it not being hosted in traditonal venues
Hypocritical to me
It only "hypocritical" to you because you looking at it through the eyes of a hypocrite. Only a hypocrite would objectively look at the situation and say that all things being equal Russia deserved a bid over England. The existing infrastructure (stadia and logistical support) already in place and England has come close to being considered many times in the past.
As for the rotation... there is nothing that says FIFA has to return to the exact same rotation format as we knew it back then. All they have to do is tweak it to identify the host criteria (don't make it continental, but look at each Confederation's ability to host the game) and set up a rotation system based on that. Once the criteria is set, establish the rotation hierarchy and from there it becomes a simple matter of which Federation within the Confderations get to host. In this case it wouldn't have made the situation between England and Russia (both UEFA members) any clearer, but in the least would have helped bring more transparency to the bidding process between countries from different Confederations (Qatar and the US for instance)... and very likely would lend to a more overall transparent process which might have smoothed the reaction to the announcement for 2018.
Another key thing being lost in this debate is that many like yourself keep on making the strawman argument that people saying Russia and Qatar shouldn't get to host the WC. I am yet to see anyone say that... the proper argument being made is that they should not have been allowed to host ahead of the other candidate countries. Qatar has a stronger argument here than the US in that they've never hosted, while the US hosted in 1994 (a span of 28 yrs between WC's). Reasonable minds can differ, however, considering the climate, logistics and environmental questions which threaten to plague Qatar, the award seems rather fanciful... if not altogether misplaced.
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does shariah law exist in qatar (no world cup babes thread)?..if so are they going to loosen it up when the world cp swings around?..and also someone pointed out earlier...if israel were to qualify?
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Beetween Football Supporter and Palos posts I vacillating
They both make very good points...esp. w/ regard to Qatar
although football supporter lorse mih wict dat future king of england ting...WFC bout dem relics
Nevertheless, under table money clearly did pass..so everyones salient points are kinda moot
Its a fair point. Many British people would complain about the Royal Family. However, they immediately rally round when people from other countries disrespect the Royals. Its an antequated system, but royalty is still respected. Lying to the future King is a fantastically huge political mistake. Any human being who is lied to will always remember and bear grudges against the liar and their associates. Diplomacy is fragile, that was my point.
I can see validity in Russia and Qatar from some aspects (although Australia would have been more deserving IMO). This anger is not because England lost. God knows, we're used to losing! The anger is about a system that is blatantly corrupt. Its time these people are exposed and FIFA cleaned up. We know they self regulate to suit themselves. In what other situation could a member of a group blatantly refuse to pay their employees, deny their working rights, lie and slander in public and still be allowed to continue as normal? FIFA should have suspended TTFF immediately the 2006 wc dispute arose. Warner has twice been accused of ticket touting and found guilty once, yet he still has formidable power. FIFA order governments around. This has to change.
I have already predicted that the British media would spend big money to trap or investigate Warner. The British press is in T&T right now, parked outside Jacks house. These guys are professional investigators who will spend months building their story. Remember Sven? Remember Ashley Cole? Remember John Terry/Wayne Bridge? There are many high profile politicians and businessmen who have gone to prison because of the medias investigations. There are many careers in tatters because people have been exposed as gay, falsifying financial records, making fraudulent claims etc. Jack has struggled to appear clean so far, but he has never fallen under the microscope of the British press. Now they're looking to vent their anger and their sights are set on the easiest target...Jack. If they can, they will bring down Blazer too and eventually Blatter. Jennings has been the lone striker for years, now he will be joined by a multitude of expert dirt diggers and financial pros, including ex police fraud detectives. These people will dig through dustbins to get evidence. They will pay unamed sources. A paper like News of the World would easily spend 1 million pounds to snare Warner.
And the mad thing is that for the first time ever, Jack has lost in court and is facing determined scrutiny of his finances through the courts.
Unusually for Jack, his timing is very, very poor. 2011 should be very interesting for Warner watchers!!!
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Beetween Football Supporter and Palos posts I vacillating
They both make very good points...esp. w/ regard to Qatar
although football supporter lorse mih wict dat future king of england ting...WFC bout dem relics
Nevertheless, under table money clearly did pass..so everyones salient points are kinda moot
Its a fair point. Many British people would complain about the Royal Family. However, they immediately rally round when people from other countries disrespect the Royals. Its an antequated system, but royalty is still respected. Lying to the future King is a fantastically huge political mistake. Any human being who is lied to will always remember and bear grudges against the liar and their associates. Diplomacy is fragile, that was my point.
I can see validity in Russia and Qatar from some aspects (although Australia would have been more deserving IMO). This anger is not because England lost. God knows, we're used to losing! The anger is about a system that is blatantly corrupt. Its time these people are exposed and FIFA cleaned up. We know they self regulate to suit themselves. In what other situation could a member of a group blatantly refuse to pay their employees, deny their working rights, lie and slander in public and still be allowed to continue as normal? FIFA should have suspended TTFF immediately the 2006 wc dispute arose. Warner has twice been accused of ticket touting and found guilty once, yet he still has formidable power. FIFA order governments around. This has to change.
I have already predicted that the British media would spend big money to trap or investigate Warner. The British press is in T&T right now, parked outside Jacks house. These guys are professional investigators who will spend months building their story. Remember Sven? Remember Ashley Cole? Remember John Terry/Wayne Bridge? There are many high profile politicians and businessmen who have gone to prison because of the medias investigations. There are many careers in tatters because people have been exposed as gay, falsifying financial records, making fraudulent claims etc. Jack has struggled to appear clean so far, but he has never fallen under the microscope of the British press. Now they're looking to vent their anger and their sights are set on the easiest target...Jack. If they can, they will bring down Blazer too and eventually Blatter. Jennings has been the lone striker for years, now he will be joined by a multitude of expert dirt diggers and financial pros, including ex police fraud detectives. These people will dig through dustbins to get evidence. They will pay unamed sources. A paper like News of the World would easily spend 1 million pounds to snare Warner.
And the mad thing is that for the first time ever, Jack has lost in court and is facing determined scrutiny of his finances through the courts.
Unusually for Jack, his timing is very, very poor. 2011 should be very interesting for Warner watchers!!!
not disagreeing with what you're saying, but do you know for a fact that the British press are camped outside Jack's house
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Mayor of London Boris Johnson cancels Fifa hotel stay
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11921692
Boris Johnson has withdrawn the offer of a free stay in London's exclusive Dorchester hotel for Fifa executives during the 2012 Olympics.
The Mayor of London had offered the free accommodation for Fifa president Sepp Blatter and his team.
But after Fifa's decision on Thursday's 2018 World Cup vote - which saw the England bid get just two votes out of a possible 22 - the offer was rescinded.
Russia was chosen to host the tournament instead.
Free hotel rooms for VIP guests are handed out by Locog, the Olympic organising committee.
Mr Johnson is understood to have discussed the issue with Locog chairman Sebastian Coe.
The mayor has not commented on the decision to cancel the free stay.
But in the aftermath of the defeat, Mr Johnson, who travelled to Zurich to personally lobby Fifa's executives, said the result was a "big blow and tremendously disappointing".
He added: "We put together a cracking bid, our technical specification was top-notch and our stadiums would have been packed to the rafters."
'Exceptional grace'
A senior government source has told the BBC that at least five executive committee members "personally assured" Prince William and David Beckham they would vote for the England bid, only to back other contenders in the first round.
The Dorchester's website says the hotel "offers rooms of exceptional grace and comfort, all providing views over Hyde Park or the hotel's landscaped terraces".
It continues: "Bathrooms are welcoming and spacious, offering an exceptional combination of style and function, and are said to have the deepest baths in London.
"They are predominantly made in Italian marble and designed in the classic art deco style - echoing the hotel's 1930s origins."
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Interesting.
The mayor offered complimentary rooms to the FIFA executive for the Olympics while campaigning for the bid to host the 2018 World Cup
Now that Russia has been awarded the 2018 World Cup, the offer for complimentary rooms to the FIFA executive has been rescinded.
Which is tantamount to admitting to trying to bribe the FIFA executive to vote England's way
So who really corrupt?
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Interesting.
The mayor offered complimentary rooms to the FIFA executive for the Olympics while campaigning for the bid to host the 2018 World Cup
Now that Russia has been awarded the 2018 World Cup, the offer for complimentary rooms to the FIFA executive has been rescinded.
Which is tantamount to admitting to trying to bribe the FIFA executive to vote England's way
So who really corrupt?
All de talk is about Russia's bribes. They only vex because Russia's bribes were bigger.
When England came down for the friendly did they really think Jack wouldnt be collecting a cut from that game?
Similarly they accused Spain/Qatar of collusion, but then openly negotiated with South Korea to swap votes (Korea later blanked them for Russia, supposedly for political support on the North Korean conflict).
Having said that, if Jack lied to de man's face, he has every right to act petty.
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Interesting.
The mayor offered complimentary rooms to the FIFA executive for the Olympics while campaigning for the bid to host the 2018 World Cup
Now that Russia has been awarded the 2018 World Cup, the offer for complimentary rooms to the FIFA executive has been rescinded.
Which is tantamount to admitting to trying to bribe the FIFA executive to vote England's way
So who really corrupt?
Dey all corrupt some just undercover.
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STEVEN HOWARD - Chief sports writer
Email the author
Published: Today
How quickly they forget-found this little side note from the Sun
We reaped what we sowed
THE wailing and gnashing of teeth continues.
Now there are reports that England's 2018 bid leader Andy Anson claimed at a private dinner last January that 13 FIFA executive committee members were 'buyable'.
If so, why did the FA continue to prostrate themselves at FIFA's feet, apologising for the Sunday Times investigation that exposed corruption within the organisation... and then slamming allegations on the Panorama programme that itemised its extent?
Most astonishing of all is the naive bleating that ExCo members reneged on promises to vote for England. What short memories we have.
One of the most infamous of all occasions when a country went back on its avowed intent to support another nation in a World Cup bid ... involved us! At the 1994 World Cup draw held in Las Vegas 12 months earlier, UEFA were determined to strip England of the 1996 European Championship because of our hooligan problem. To our rescue came Germany.
They went out of their way to ensure we still hosted the tournament - provided we backed them for the 2006 World Cup.
FA chairman Bert Millichip gave his promise.
Following the success of Euro 96, we shamefully backtracked and decided to contest the 2006 event. An incandescent Franz Beckenbauer said: "It used to be my privilege to shake hands with an honourable England captain called Bobby Moore.
"Then I, too, believed in the integrity of English sportsmanship. I have never been more saddened."
Now we have the gall to complain about others letting us down.
What hypocrisy.
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Ah get dis e-mail on Friday
date Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 6:34 AM
subject Please can you forward the following message to Jack Warner
Jack you F**king Coward and Fiddling Cu*t how much have the Oil men paid you this time. TWAT
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Ah get dis e-mail on Friday
date Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 6:34 AM
subject Please can you forward the following message to Jack Warner
Jack you F**king Coward and Fiddling Cu*t how much have the Oil men paid you this time. TWAT
Lol! Well, did you forward it?
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The Jack of two trades
T&T Guardian Editorial
There was considerable concern when Jack Warner, the Minister of Works and Transport in the People’s Partnership Government, was appointed to office. How would it be possible for this man to hold on to executive office in two major sporting organisations and serve the country at Cabinet level?
Legal advice was sought from several high-level sources and in the end, the Prime Minister appointed Warner to the job, arguing that he had to be wooed to accept the position. Jack Warner, in addition to being a Minister of Government, is the President of Concacaf, the regional body governing football and Vice President of Fifa, football’s parent body, which has specific responsibility for the World Cup competition.
It is also widely alleged that his deep pockets played a decisive role in funding the successful election of the new coalition government. At the time of his appointment, the concern was about potential conflicts of interest and divisions of time. Today, in the wake of Warner’s key role in the voting that decided Russia’s hosting of the World Cup in 2018, the questions around Warner’s role in government became one of international diplomacy.
It would not be a stretch to describe the Fifa Vice President’s name as being mud in England today, as the humiliated nation which gave the world the game seeks to reconcile its failed bid to host the 2018 World Cup with the many gestures it made to Warner. It is a matter of public record that nations pursuing the role of World Cup host will engage in a number of courtship dances with officials holding voting power in Fifa and that these engagements have sometimes proven to be at best unsavoury and on occasion, simply corrupt.
The English overtures to Jack Warner included a football clinic hosted by David Beckham on local soil for young football hopefuls, an English football team friendly match in Trinidad and Tobago and as the time grew closer for voting, much more intimate efforts at persuasion. British Prime Minister David Cameron himself flew to Zurich for a one-on-one meeting with Jack Warner the Tuesday before the FIFA voting as part of a final campaign of meetings with Fifa officials.
In Zurich, Jack Warner was widely reported in the UK media to have put his arm around Prince William and assured him that his vote would be for England. The fallout since England’s snub in the voting has been fierce and unequivocal. The general tone of UK reporting on Jack Warner, an elected official of T&T’s ruling party who has twice acted as Prime Minister, is best summed by Daily Mail columnist Martin Samuel who described him as “the duplicitous, odious FIFA vice-president who has been allowed to rule the world from Trinidad and Tobago.”
The impact of this situation is not to be underestimated, nor is the anger and embarrassment of the English. While there’s nothing that England can do to him in FIFA beyond the thousands of words written chronicling his perceived betrayal, this country remains vulnerable to potential diplomatic retribution from the British, however subtle.
Specifically, there is the matter of air passenger duty being imposed by the British Government on travellers to the Caribbean region. Prime Minister Cameron had called Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar from Zurich after his round of meetings with Fifa officials in a situation which clearly mixed both of Warner’s roles. In the wake of the fallout since the vote announcements, that may turn out to be a critical misjudgment in that negotiation—and may prove especially telling for the parts of the Caribbean heavily dependent on tourism from the UK.
In Warner’s defence, there is clearly a sustainable point that, despite the inducements lavished on him by the British, he voted for the country he believed provided the best possibilities for World Cup 2018. He could also argue that it was naive for the British to believe that a friendly international, a visit by a fading football icon and the chance to meet with a junior member of the English Royal family would have been enough to persuade him and the two other Concacaf votes. In fact, some may see it as an ethical feather in Mr Warner’s cap that he resisted the English blandishments, despite the potential diplomatic consequences of his decision.
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The Jack of two trades
T&T Guardian Editorial
In fact, some may see it as an ethical feather in Mr Warner’s cap that he resisted the English blandishments, despite the potential diplomatic consequences of his decision.
But did he 'resist' these "blandishments"... or did he take them and then betray the hopes of the English, as seems to be the case. In any even, very good even-handed editorial, something that's not often associated with journalism in TnT... the Guardian least of all.
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De man say we ent have no football history oui. HHMC!!! No World Cup for Englan ass!!
People's emotions getting the better of them... he said Trinidad is a country with virtually no football history. Our 102 years of football matters only to us... the only other times we've made any kind of international noise was in 1973 and 2006, can't even count 1990. We already prove over and over that we are not a footballing nation... but nothing offends like the truth.
Surprisingly... Bates echoes my thoughts. Just earlier this evening I saying England should just decide to give the World Cup a rest. Let FIFA have they toy. It would never happen of course, but at least on principle. What going on with the TTFF in Trinidad is a microcosm of FIFA on the whole... dictatorial exercise of power without even the slightest pretense of objectivity. Forget about the deceit pulled on England by Warner, is anyone seriously willing to argue that England's bid was so bad that all they could muster was two first-round votes?
I understand people hate England and the US but put yuhself in their situation and the anger and sense of betrayal are understandable. Jack Warner will mess with the wrong person one of these days... and there might eventually be some accounting to be made by the other 23 ExCo members as well.
The fact that our(TnT) football matters only to us is irrelevant. 102 yrs is 102 yrs. Had Warner and his boys voted for England to host the WC, this asshole would have been singing TnT's football praises, bigging we up; talking bout how lil TnT hold mighty Sweden to a goalless draw and how lil TnT hold mighty England to a draw for 82+ mins, and how we were the smallest nation ever to qualify for the WC etc.
But because Warner pull ah Warner in dey c*#t now TnT have "virtually" no football history...steeuuuppps. My original statement stands...HHMC!!!
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De man say we ent have no football history oui. HHMC!!! No World Cup for Englan ass!!
People's emotions getting the better of them... he said Trinidad is a country with virtually no football history. Our 102 years of football matters only to us... the only other times we've made any kind of international noise was in 1973 and 2006, can't even count 1990. We already prove over and over that we are not a footballing nation... but nothing offends like the truth.
Surprisingly... Bates echoes my thoughts. Just earlier this evening I saying England should just decide to give the World Cup a rest. Let FIFA have they toy. It would never happen of course, but at least on principle. What going on with the TTFF in Trinidad is a microcosm of FIFA on the whole... dictatorial exercise of power without even the slightest pretense of objectivity. Forget about the deceit pulled on England by Warner, is anyone seriously willing to argue that England's bid was so bad that all they could muster was two first-round votes?
I understand people hate England and the US but put yuhself in their situation and the anger and sense of betrayal are understandable. Jack Warner will mess with the wrong person one of these days... and there might eventually be some accounting to be made by the other 23 ExCo members as well.
The fact that our(TnT) football matters only to us is irrelevant. 102 yrs is 102 yrs. Had Warner and his boys voted for England to host the WC, this asshole would have been singing TnT's football praises, bigging we up; talking bout how lil TnT hold mighty Sweden to a goalless draw and how lil TnT hold mighty England to a draw for 82+ mins, and how we were the smallest nation ever to qualify for the WC etc.
But because Warner pull ah Warner in dey c*#t now TnT have "virtually" no football history...steeuuuppps. My original statement stands...HHMC!!!
If England had won, Jack Warner would have been forgotten immediately and TnT would never get another mention.
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The Jack of two trades
T&T Guardian Editorial
In fact, some may see it as an ethical feather in Mr Warner’s cap that he resisted the English blandishments, despite the potential diplomatic consequences of his decision.
But did he 'resist' these "blandishments"... or did he take them and then betray the hopes of the English, as seems to be the case. In any even, very good even-handed editorial, something that's not often associated with journalism in TnT... the Guardian least of all.
He took them, but did not let them affect his decision. The man has principles!
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Ah get dis e-mail on Friday
date Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 6:34 AM
subject Please can you forward the following message to Jack Warner
Jack you F**king Coward and Fiddling Cu*t how much have the Oil men paid you this time. TWAT
Who u get it from?
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Interesting.
The mayor offered complimentary rooms to the FIFA executive for the Olympics while campaigning for the bid to host the 2018 World Cup
Now that Russia has been awarded the 2018 World Cup, the offer for complimentary rooms to the FIFA executive has been rescinded.
Which is tantamount to admitting to trying to bribe the FIFA executive to vote England's way
So who really corrupt?
People only see what they want.
Is cokeyeyetis ::)
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Warner blames English media
December 7, 2010
ESPNsoccernet staff (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=850126&sec=global&cc=5901)
FIFA vice-president Jack Warner claims there is no way FIFA could have awarded the 2018 World Cup to England after the way the press behaved in the run-up to the vote.
The Sunday Times exposed corruption inside FIFA and then just three days before the committee sat to decide who would host the finals the BBC's Panorama threw more mud at world football's governing body - with Warner one of those explicitly accused of impropriety.
England gained just one vote other than that of their own delegate on the committee, losing the three votes which Warner had been expected to give to England from the CONCACAF region. But Warner chose not to support the bid after the allegations.
Warner revealed on Tuesday: "Suffice it to say that the FIFA ExCo as a body could not have voted for England having been insulted by their media in the worst possible way at the same time. To do so would have been the ultimate insult [to FIFA].''
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Warner blames English media
December 7, 2010
ESPNsoccernet staff (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=850126&sec=global&cc=5901)
FIFA vice-president Jack Warner claims there is no way FIFA could have awarded the 2018 World Cup to England after the way the press behaved in the run-up to the vote.
The Sunday Times exposed corruption inside FIFA and then just three days before the committee sat to decide who would host the finals the BBC's Panorama threw more mud at world football's governing body - with Warner one of those explicitly accused of impropriety.
England gained just one vote other than that of their own delegate on the committee, losing the three votes which Warner had been expected to give to England from the CONCACAF region. But Warner chose not to support the bid after the allegations.
Warner revealed on Tuesday: "Suffice it to say that the FIFA ExCo as a body could not have voted for England having been insulted by their media in the worst possible way at the same time. To do so would have been the ultimate insult [to FIFA].''
Fifa and Jack have not an ounce of shame in dey body! Now dey rubbin it in!
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The Jack of two trades
T&T Guardian Editorial
In fact, some may see it as an ethical feather in Mr Warner’s cap that he resisted the English blandishments, despite the potential diplomatic consequences of his decision.
But did he 'resist' these "blandishments"... or did he take them and then betray the hopes of the English, as seems to be the case. In any even, very good even-handed editorial, something that's not often associated with journalism in TnT... the Guardian least of all.
He took them, but did not let them affect his decision. The man has principles!
I wonder if he have time to be President of the Integrity Commission?
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i'm surprised Warner has come out with this statement that the English media were the reason why England only got one vote
that's tantamount to an admission that Russia didn't win on solely on merit
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i'm surprised Warner has come out with this statement that the English media were the reason why England only got one vote
that's tantamount to an admission that Russia didn't win on solely on merit
wit all d talk people does put forward dat jack shrewd an smart an ting, he damn dotish yuh know, it defeats me as to why many does miss dat ???
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i'm surprised Warner has come out with this statement that the English media were the reason why England only got one vote
that's tantamount to an admission that Russia didn't win on solely on merit
wit all d talk people does put forward dat jack shrewd an smart an ting, he damn dotish yuh know, it defeats me as to why many does miss dat ???
man smart too bad...muddy de waters...blamin the media does only distract from the real issue
I beginnin to like this vampire oui...wrong and fackin strong is he game
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i'm surprised Warner has come out with this statement that the English media were the reason why England only got one vote
that's tantamount to an admission that Russia didn't win on solely on merit
wit all d talk people does put forward dat jack shrewd an smart an ting, he damn dotish yuh know, it defeats me as to why many does miss dat ???
man smart too bad...muddy de waters...blamin the media does only distract from the real issue
I beginnin to like this vampire oui...wrong and fackin strong is he game
Ent! Not only that, the English virtually prostituted themselves to entice him and he ride dem like a old donkey in plain view, so he can't use the ethics card. Blaming the press also serves 2 functions. It presents him as having every intention to back the English bid until the press sullied him. And it is an attempt IMO to exact some revenge by throwing blame upon a particular set of journalists that plague him as well as to muddy the waters.
Maybe now people will begin to take a more critical look at some of FIFAs questionable practices.
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Jack is a dictator of the rawest order! Period.
Not smart or dotish. . .He doh care. . .!
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Alyuh feel jack plan was to also screw over the black listed players in England .
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Warner explains why he voted against England . He blames Andrew Jennings :rotfl:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dDeo6sL6jg
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i'm surprised Warner has come out with this statement that the English media were the reason why England only got one vote
that's tantamount to an admission that Russia didn't win on solely on merit
wit all d talk people does put forward dat jack shrewd an smart an ting, he damn dotish yuh know, it defeats me as to why many does miss dat ???
man smart too bad...muddy de waters...blamin the media does only distract from the real issue
I beginnin to like this vampire oui...wrong and fackin strong is he game
Personally don't think it has anything to do with muddying the waters more a broadside at the media and a rather crude attempt at censorship. Basically saying anybody who critercises FIFA gets nowt, so leave us alone.
Nothing we already didn't know. It would of been better for them if they had just said that before the vote rather than promising votes in the 1st place.
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i'm surprised Warner has come out with this statement that the English media were the reason why England only got one vote
that's tantamount to an admission that Russia didn't win on solely on merit
wit all d talk people does put forward dat jack shrewd an smart an ting, he damn dotish yuh know, it defeats me as to why many does miss dat ???
man smart too bad...muddy de waters...blamin the media does only distract from the real issue
I beginnin to like this vampire oui...wrong and fackin strong is he game
Personally don't think it has anything to do with muddying the waters more a broadside at the media and a rather crude attempt at censorship. Basically saying anybody who critercises FIFA gets nowt, so leave us alone.
Nothing we already didn't know. It would of been better for them if they had just said that before the vote rather than promising votes in the 1st place.
Y and u can take dem 4 d ride of there life and then dump dem.
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Blatter blasts England as bad losers
December 8, 2010
By ESPNsoccernet staff (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=850557&sec=global&cc=5901)
FIFA president Sepp Blatter has branded England as "bad losers" as the fallout over the awards of the 2018 and 2022 World Cups continues.
Russia won the right to host the 2018 tournament and Qatar the 2022 version, while England, who were rated highly by FIFA's own technical report, attracted a paltry two votes despite the last minute lobbying efforts of Prime Minister David Cameron, Prince William and David Beckham.
It led the acting chairman of the Football Association, Roger Burden, to remove his application for the job on a permanent basis after he claimed he could no longer trust FIFA's members.
England's bid chief Andy Anson then suggested Blatter had instructed his members to vote a certain way after stories about FIFA corruption appeared in the British media. England's team was also disappointed that votes promised to them failed to materialise.
But Blatter is nonplussed by England's reaction, telling Swiss magazine Weltwoche: "To be honest, I was surprised by all the English complaining after the defeat. England, of all people, the motherland of fair play ideas.
"Now some of them are showing themselves to be bad losers. You can't come afterwards and say so and so promised to vote for England. The results are known. The outcome came out clearly.
"I really sense in some reactions a bit of the arrogance of the western world of Christian background. Some simply can't bear it if others get a chance for a change.
"What can be wrong if we start football in regions where this sport demonstrates a potential which goes far beyond sport?"
Blatter also rejected claims that corruption still remins within FIFA, even though two members of football's governing body were suspended after an investigation by the Sunday Times alleged they had offered to sell their votes.
Further fuel was added to the fire due to the fact that the two winning bids, Qatar and Russia, were given poor technical reports but Blatter said: "There is no systematic corruption in FIFA. That is nonsense. We are financially clean and clear."
But Blatter did admit there needed to be changes in the organisation: "We need to improve our image. We also need to clarify some things within FIFA," he added.
But he insisted he would not still be president when the Qatar World Cup comes around in 2022: "Definitely not. If God wills it, I will be invited to the opening party on crutches or in a wheelchair."
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WTF???? I really sense in some reactions a bit of the arrogance of the western world of Christian background.
Is Blatter trying to say that religeon is a factor now? OK, Qatar may not be Christian, but theres an awful lot of Christians in Russia! So what is Blatter....Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Mormon (or should that be Moron?)
I can't help thinking that the more FIFA speaks about this, the more shady it looks. They can't be seen to punish England for having a free press, its been accepted that the English bid was one of the better ones, so theyre throwing up all kinds of smokescreens to hide the truth.
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WTF???? I really sense in some reactions a bit of the arrogance of the western world of Christian background.
Is Blatter trying to say that religeon is a factor now? OK, Qatar may not be Christian, but theres an awful lot of Christians in Russia! So what is Blatter....Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Mormon (or should that be Moron?)
I can't help thinking that the more FIFA speaks about this, the more shady it looks. They can't be seen to punish England for having a free press, its been accepted that the English bid was one of the better ones, so theyre throwing up all kinds of smokescreens to hide the truth.
I'm trying to understand what he meant by that statement or why he felt it important or necessary to utter such a statement.
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WTF???? I really sense in some reactions a bit of the arrogance of the western world of Christian background.
Is Blatter trying to say that religeon is a factor now? OK, Qatar may not be Christian, but theres an awful lot of Christians in Russia! So what is Blatter....Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Mormon (or should that be Moron?)
I can't help thinking that the more FIFA speaks about this, the more shady it looks. They can't be seen to punish England for having a free press, its been accepted that the English bid was one of the better ones, so theyre throwing up all kinds of smokescreens to hide the truth.
I'm trying to understand what he meant by that statement or why he felt it important or necessary to utter such a statement.
Personally I feel is de same reason jack trow out de blame de english media ting..
blatter know conventional wisdon dese days is the west vs the muslim world does be front and center op-ed pieces in major newspapers............why not open a whole can of worms dat have nuttn to do with the issue at hand
Dem fellahs is classic smoke and mirrors mafia men
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WTF???? I really sense in some reactions a bit of the arrogance of the western world of Christian background.
Is Blatter trying to say that religeon is a factor now? OK, Qatar may not be Christian, but theres an awful lot of Christians in Russia! So what is Blatter....Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Mormon (or should that be Moron?)
I can't help thinking that the more FIFA speaks about this, the more shady it looks. They can't be seen to punish England for having a free press, its been accepted that the English bid was one of the better ones, so theyre throwing up all kinds of smokescreens to hide the truth.
I'm trying to understand what he meant by that statement or why he felt it important or necessary to utter such a statement.
Personally I feel is de same reason jack trow out de blame de english media ting..
blatter know conventional wisdon dese days is the west vs the muslim world does be front and center in op-ed pieces in major newspapers............why not open a whole can of worms dat have nuttn to do with the issue at hand
Dem fellahs is classic smoke and mirrors mafia men
Hey Bush used 9/11 to get another term by feeding the fears of most of the American public and giving the impression he has the now how to keep dem safe. All dem is politicians and dey what to say to try to induce certain responses or mindsets.
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Ah wonder if the English journalist that Jack is referring to in this interview is Andrew Jennings?
http://www.youtube.com/v/_dDeo6sL6jg
And in case yuh don't know who Andrew Jennnings is, look at this video!
http://www.youtube.com/v/0puFaKUg56I
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That Warner interview is like a comedy sketch!
Warner say in the interview that if there is a backlash against T&T in the UK then there was a blackmail and he is not part of that!
This coming from the king of blacklisting & blackmailing!! ::)
I know Warner is both black & male but he's taken the artforms of blackmailing & blacklisting to another level where if he doesn't do it one starts to wonders where is the catch!
Talk bout the pot calling the kettle black!! 8)
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That Warner interview is like a comedy sketch!
Warner say in the interview that if there is a backlash against T&T in the UK then there was a blackmail and he is not part of that!
This coming from the king of blacklisting & blackmailing!! ::)
I know Warner is both black & male but he's taken the artforms of blackmailing & blacklisting to another level where if he doesn't do it one starts to wonders where is the catch!
Talk bout the pot calling the kettle black!! 8)
U 4get he is d original King of Comedy. Bernie mac etal eh want nutten wit Jack
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Jackie baby says he doesn't owe anybody anything. Hey jackie baby, you remember the Soca Warriors? You owe them, big time, fool.
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Jackie baby says he doesn't owe anybody anything. Hey jackie baby, you remember the Soca Warriors? You owe them, big time, fool.
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Jackie baby says he doesn't owe anybody anything. Hey jackie baby, you remember the Soca Warriors? You owe them, big time, fool.
aye, aye long time no see...how things??