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Rangers axe four for minor league appearances
ttproleague.com
St. Ann’s Rangers head coach Anthony Streete says he hopes other top flight coaches will follow example after his club axed four players in breach of contracts with “minor league” appearances.
Over a week ago Rangers released regular starters Adrian Narine, Clevon McPhie and brothers Josimar and Elijah Belgrave following continued appearances in the Eddie Hart Football League said Streete.
“I hope the other coaches follow the example,” Streete said. “We have to stamp the authority and watch eachother’s back.
“I know a lot of players from other Pro League clubs who are participating in minor leagues and they are still representing their clubs.
“Then we ask, how come the crowds don’t come to the Pro League games. I pleaded with my players over appearances in minor leagues, but they continue doing it and we had no choice but the release them.”
Streete went on to add that clubs in the League agreed at board level to take such steps in clamping down minor league appearances by players.
Rangers ranked 8th on the 2010-2011 Digicel Pro League standings will face Police FC from 6pm at the Larry Gomes Stadium in Round Two Match Day Six.
Four more games left in the Championship and seated in the bottom half with just 9 points, Streete still has reasons to well.
“We have to look at rebuilding now,” he explained. “We have brought up some players from the reserves to train with the senior team and they could get their opportunity in our remaining games to prove themselves as we look towards next season.
“We are also trying hard to finish with at least 17 points. We want to still pressure on other teams and show that we are a team for the future,” said the Rangers coach, dismissing the lay down and die attitude.
Following their meeting against Police on Saturday, Rangers will meet Joe Public, FC SouthEnd and Defence Force in their last three League matches.
(http://www.ttproleague.com/images/stories/Domestic_News/josimar-belgrave.jpg)
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This is sad because they not paying these players thats why they have to find money somewhere else.
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This is sad because they not paying these players thats why they have to find money somewhere else.
You may be right about that. They moonlighting!!!!!!
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You are right about that!! My padnah say he was not getting he salary and the times he did, it was not on time. Sad :-\
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This is sad because they not paying these players thats why they have to find money somewhere else.
If you are foolish enough to be in a contract where you are not being paid and not take pressing action then you are to blame.
If there were news reports on tv6 saying the Rangers not paying players and players boycott, then its understandable.
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This is sad because they not paying these players thats why they have to find money somewhere else.
If you are foolish enough to be in a contract where you are not being paid and not take pressing action then you are to blame.
If there were news reports on tv6 saying the Rangers not paying players and players boycott, then its understandable.
If they had joined FPATT, maybe that would not have happened. Everybody want to freelance and moonlight.
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This is sad because they not paying these players thats why they have to find money somewhere else.
If you are foolish enough to be in a contract where you are not being paid and not take pressing action then you are to blame.
If there were news reports on tv6 saying the Rangers not paying players and players boycott, then its understandable.
If they had joined FPATT, maybe that would not have happened. Everybody want to freelance and moonlight.
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This is sad because they not paying these players thats why they have to find money somewhere else.
If you are foolish enough to be in a contract where you are not being paid and not take pressing action then you are to blame.
If there were news reports on tv6 saying the Rangers not paying players and players boycott, then its understandable.
So what you all trying to say,Minor League paying players and the clubs not?so they going their because of the money.Minor League could pay enough money for these guys to make a living on?what kind of money they paying?what kind of money Minor League Football making that they can pay players,them fellas eh making no money there,that's old talk,as a Footballer it just feels good playing Minor League Football,you get an agenilin rush i wish you could feel that way when playing for your national team.
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Josimar Belgrave has made mistakes from since he youth days. Another talent like Jerol Forbes who head was bigger than they game. Josimar could have gone far, he was a decent player but lack discipline.
Rangers dont have the money to even drop players, in a week or two I bet Streete call them back.
Who remember Ma Pau banning Rennie Britto, they put they best player on de transfer list and never bother with it again, he still they, big and bad.
T&T players is fools but de men who run de football is more fools, them is fool, fool...
So how can anything work ? them players must be laughing all now, because they know is only a matter of time Anthony Streete come begging....
Rangers is a community team and produce good young players, but most of them are not discipline and the discipline ones move on to better teams, de owner for Rangers killing that club.
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This is sad because they not paying these players thats why they have to find money somewhere else.
If you are foolish enough to be in a contract where you are not being paid and not take pressing action then you are to blame.
If there were news reports on tv6 saying the Rangers not paying players and players boycott, then its understandable.
If they had joined FPATT, maybe that would not have happened. Everybody want to freelance and moonlight.
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Yep...but men afraid to be associated with the union. Third World mentality again. Men afraid to get black listed. Jack playing he aint' recognize the union, even though they went about the establishment in a legitimate manner. Fifa is ah mafia!
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I hear Clevon McPhie never had a contract in de first place so how can he get cut ?
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Joevin Jones & Daneil Cyrus playing in minor league.
W Connection staff saying Joevin needs rest and they see he playing Minor League in Carenage yesterday. How the hell you could be a professional under contract, a National team player, performing poorly for your club in CCL & yet showing up and playing minor league.
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Wasn't Jones the scorer for Connection in their 1 nil win over Police yesterday?, so when did he play that game in Carenage? Just asking!!!
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Jones goal lifts Connection over Police; Central, Caledonia in stalemate.
ttproleague.com.
DIRECTV W Connection on Saturday needed an early second half Joevin Jones' goal to overcome Police FC 1-0 at the Ato Boldon Stadium. And in the second match of the Digicel Pro League Round One Match Day Two double header at the Couva venue, Central FC and Caledonia play goalless draw.
The results saw Connection (6 points) return to the top of the standings, with a better goal difference than Point Fortin Civic (6 points) which edged North East Stars 1-0 on Friday night at the Hasely Crawford Stadium.
Behind them are the unbeaten Central (4 points) in third, Stars and San Juan Jabloteh in fourth and fifth respectively with 3 points, Caledonia in sixth with 1 point, and defending champions Defence Force (receiving the bye on the weekend), Police and St. Ann's Rangers are all at the bottom without a point.
Rangers were the sorest of losers on the weekend, when the St. Ann's club allowed Jabloteh to flip a 4-1 deficit into a 6-5 win in the first match of Friday's double header at the Port of Spain venue.
On Saturday, Jones, wearing the captain's armband this season, completed a quick Connection counterattack in the 49th minute to give his side a 1-0 advantage, and what turned out the match winner.
The 22 year-old Trinidad and Tobago player collected a Jomal Williams pass inside the area and slipped the ball through the legs of a fully-spread goalkeeper Adrian Foncette who only managed to get a bit of leg to the ball.
But it wasn't such a bad night for Police, with a generally improved showing from last weekend's 4-1 defeat against Point Fortin Civic.
Connection, which hammered Rangers 7-0 last weekend, were limited by the "lawmen".
It was only until the 20th minute that Kurt Frederick, scorer of a hat-trick against Rangers, was a bit more ambitious than his teammates in the opening stages, when he turned into the area and had a right footed effort just wide.
Two minutes later on the opposite end, Police forward Elijah Belgrave had an opening, but his tame attempt at goal was easily wrapped by goalkeeper Alejandro Figueroa.
It was an opportunity to do much better after he was played into the area by Todd Ryan following Joel Kevin Lewis' win of the ball on the right.
Lewis had a go at goal himself in the 24th minute but Figueroa well positioned again for a comfortable take.
But it was Connection that had the best opening of the half in the 38th minute when Neil Benjamin Jr. returned a cross from the left to pick out Jones in the centre of the area, but goalkeeper Adrian Foncette was brilliant in gloving out the midfielder's effort for a corner.
Even after Jones' winning item four minutes inside the second period, Police, with Karlon Murray in the heart of defense, and Trent Noel and Todd Ryan muscling the midfield, managed to restrain the "Savonnetta Boys" for the remaining period.
Connection had one real crack at goal from midfielder Gerard Williams which flashed overbar from 25 yards out in the 83rd minute, and a wide effort by substitute Jamal Clarence near the end.
The second match between Central and Caledonia was intensely contested, which contributed to the score-line.
Caledonia's league debuting front-man Kithson "Bully" Bain seemed to have walked into the butcher's shop against Central defender Jamal Jack, who showed no mercy against the Grenada international who was replaced by Jamal Gay in the 65th minute.
Caledonia, just as Connection, coming off disappointing Concacaf Champions League results during the week, failed to put Central goalkeeper Jan Michael Williams into any real action.
While the Terry Fenwick coached-Central failed to make the best of their chances.
In the 45th minute 19 year-old striker Dwight Quintero was picked out by a Darren Mitchell cross from the left, but his header was overbar.
And five minutes into the second period, a right side free-kick by Jason Marcano, following a foul on Quintero by Nuru Abdullah Muhammad, was missed by three diving Central players around the six yard area.
Mitchell later had a wide effort in the 78th minute and veteran midfielder Marvin Oliver headed a Marcano corner wide of the far post a minute from time.
Results
W Connection 1 - 0 Police FC
Joevin Jones 49'
Teams
W Connection - 21. Alejandro Figueroa, 10. Joevin Jones (C), 2. Kurt Frederick, 3. Gerard Williams 4. Daneil Cyrus, 6. Celio Da Silva Santos (14. Hashim Arcia 46th), 65. Neil Benjamin Jr., 24. Joao Ananias Jordao Jr. (25. Christian Ocoro Viveros 70th), 26. Stefano Rijssel (17. Jamal Clarence 46th), 40. Jomal Williams (Yellow Card), 15. Mekeil Williams.
Unused substitutes - 18. Julani Archibald, 7. Silvio Spann, 28. Yhon Stiven Lopez, 39. Alvin Jones.
Coach - Stuart Charles Fevrier.
Police FC—18. Adrian Foncette, 21. Todd Ryan, 4. Karlon Murray, 8. Akiba Peters, 2. Jasimar Ashers (Yellow Card), 6. Kenaz Williams, 10. Trent Noel, 38. Tafari Williams (19. Christon Thomas 74th), 39. Joel Kevin Lewis (11. Kareem Perry 70th), 20. Elijah Belgrave (15. Jameel Perry 78th), 25. Kemron Purcell.
Unused substitutes—31. Theon Browne (G), 27. Dwayne Salazar, 40. Jabari Williams, 9. Keon Quow.
Coach—Richard Hood.
Match Referee - Rodphin Harris.
Results
Central FC 0 - 0 Caledonia AIA.
Teams
Caledonia AIA - 33. Glenroy Samuel, 7. Stephan David (C), 2. Aubrey David, 3. Nuru Abdullah Muhammad (Yellow Card), 5. Akeem Thomas, 6.Marcus Ambrose (8. Keron Bethlemy 83rd), 12. Kareem Joseph, 11. Abdallah Phillips (9. Keyon Edwards 70th), 21. Densill Theobald, 27. Nathan Lewis, 10. Kithson Bain (23. Jamal Gay 65th).
Unused substitutes - 1. Shemel Louison (G), 24. Kevaughn Connell, 22. Miguel Alejandro Romeo, 20. Noel Williams.
Coach - Jamaal Shabazz.
Central FC - 21. Jan Michael Williams, 7. Jason Marcano (C), 2. Elton John, 3. Keion Goodridge, 9. Dwight Quintero (Toric Robinson 65th), 10. Marvin Oliver, 11. Darren Mitchell, 12. Jamal Jack, 13. Johan Peltier (16. Akil DeFreitus 76th), 17. Rundell Winchester, 24. Akeem Benjamin.
Unused substitutes - 25. Javon Sample (G), 4. Julio Noel, 15. Kaydion Gabriel, 22. Keon Trim, 23. Hector Sam.
Coach - Terry Fenwick.
Match Referee - Michael London.
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W Connection staff saying Joevin needs rest and they see he playing Minor League in Carenage yesterday. How the hell you could be a professional under contract, a National team player, performing poorly for your club in CCL & yet showing up and playing minor league.
Not saying its true, but I too heard something similar.
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Maybe his club allows him to play minor league?
if they dont have an issue I dont have an issue
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Maybe his club allows him to play minor league?
if they dont have an issue I dont have an issue
But if true this adds more fuel too the opinion held by some that the Pro-league is jus a big 'pappy show'.
Such practices would never be allowed in any of the major leagues across the globe. I could understand if Jones was a fringe player and rarely got selected or was coming back from an injury and working on his fitness/match sharpness. In fact, I would go as far as saying that no Team that consider's itself a fully professional outfit would ever risk allowing key players to play for other teams while also playing for their first team.
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Maybe his club allows him to play minor league?
if they dont have an issue I dont have an issue
I know for sure that W Connection has a strict policy where playing minor league is concerned. Many players have had their contracts terminated and I see these same players & others making the rounds playing for other Pro League teams. I would hate to believe that Jones would have taken that chance knowing the Club's position but I await further info. However in my opinion the only way to prevent this is for "All Clubs" to take a united stand against Pro Footballers playing minor league.
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Maybe his club allows him to play minor league?
if they dont have an issue I dont have an issue
But if true this adds more fuel too the opinion held by some that the Pro-league is jus a big 'pappy show'.
Such practices would never be allowed in any of the major leagues across the globe. I could understand if Jones was a fringe player and rarely got selected or was coming back from an injury and working on his fitness/match sharpness. In fact, I would go as far as saying that no Team that consider's itself a fully professional outfit would ever risk allowing key players to play for other teams while also playing for their first team.
How many teams in T&T are fully professional outfits compared to professional teams across the globe?what is the salary of a professional Footballer in T&T?it have guys playing pro and working CEPEP,pulling bull etc i don't see the difference between that and Minor league Football,when you check teams like Point Fortin finding jobs for their players and these players have to work when the day comes,train every evening and compete.
What people have to understand this is T&T and we have to work with what ever situation and condition confronts us,we can't compare with what they doing across the globe else we will not play Football,again check Point Fortin they gone back in times and bring back the good old days they playing nice Football and have the biggest crowd/following,no money could achieve that it's all about community.
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I don't see why this is an issue,nobody sure if the guy played Minor League Football or not,i can't believe he played for his club and Minor League Football on the same day.
This issue about players playing Minor League Football is a big joke,i remembered since in my time as a player the TTFA used put restrictions on us concerning Minor League Football and we still used to play,nobody got banned or anything.
The same thing is happening now,the clubs have restrictions on it but the Pro League does not,i remember Fenwick banning Marvin Oliver when he was at Jabloteh only to see now he at Central Marvin is the first player he call.
T&T is too small for all these restrictions on players,palyers not playing enough Football and Minor Leagues fill the gaps,imagine College players are in the same situation.
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T&T is too small for...
How we think is how we achieve.
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Thanks for saying that coops.
people talk bout pro league but your salary is 2000TT a month
People talk about pro league but you have to take a maxi to go to the game no team bus.
you get to the field and no dressing room to change your clothes before you train
they dont even have ice to put on your foot if you get a knock.
Yet still people quick to say in england pro league players dont play minor league and trinidad too back ward.
Fact is if it was real proleague like in england you would not have time to play minor league football because your schedule is set minute by minute 7 days a week for the 9 months in season.
Your ass is being bussed from game to game location to location, training to training
cant even find time to do anything except play football for your big team.
That is real pro league.
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Coops and others, you guys might know more than I do about these stuff....
Ok, what is the purpose of playing Minor league?
Do these players get paid or they just do this to have fun?
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You get paid for playing minor league....small money
U get to play in front if vibrant crowd
And most of all u get neighborhood pips
But if u serious as a professional u should have the discipline to stay away.
Unless of course ur proteam allows it.
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Minor League Football has a place in the development of T&T Footballers past and present,every Footballer this country produce came from the Minor leagues,we had no coaching schools,academies,we often complain about the Coaches we have,yet for decades we keep producing some of the best,where they coming from.
Long before we had a Pro League players have been getting paid to play Minor League Football,that's where everything started that's not anything new.We can't take that away from our Footballers,it's tradition,it's cultural,it's also a means for Footballers to socialize and lime,it brings communities together,it even keeps kids of the streets.
Every Footballer played Minor League Football but they eh sure to play Pro or Premier League Football,i could see if you making big money fine but why not play in leagues where you can develop your skills and have fun at the same time.
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Good talk Coops, but de game change now and so to we should change our culture about the way we think when it comes to football, the world left us behind and we have to stop thinking backaday mentality.
On de flip side of that, I guess de salaries for players have to rise and clubs have to go back to their communities for players to change their mentalities.
It would be a hell of a thing if Joevin suit up to play Savannah football and get get injured. I guess, pappieshow football is more important than Pro, no wonder some of our better talents does end up playing T&T Pro ball all they life and de one who make de sacrifice does move on to bigger things.
De Jemmot syndrome.
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I remember the LaForest's Kenny Joseph and Sammy playing in the Carenage league in the 70's,for Motown's Brazilians,that was huge on aSunday afernoon
Coops I do not recall you playing with that outfit...did you
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Coops and others, you guys might know more than I do about these stuff....
Ok, what is the purpose of playing Minor league?
Do these players get paid or they just do this to have fun?
We have a pro player on our church team which play in the churches league. It is fun we use sport as an evangelistic tool. The league runs for a couple of months part which is off season. D coach know.
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Good talk Coops, but de game change now and so to we should change our culture about the way we think when it comes to football, the world left us behind and we have to stop thinking backaday mentality.
On de flip side of that, I guess de salaries for players have to rise and clubs have to go back to their communities for players to change their mentalities.
It would be a hell of a thing if Joevin suit up to play Savannah football and get get injured. I guess, pappieshow football is more important than Pro, no wonder some of our better talents does end up playing T&T Pro ball all they life and de one who make de sacrifice does move on to bigger things.
De Jemmot syndrome.
Sam, you highlighted my main concerns with such activities in the modern age; especially the risk of injury. Though I don't live in T&T, I am aware of the 'freelance' semi-pro practices of the baller's back home and as Coop's pointed out, I also know that this has been going on for Donkey's years. Having said that, though the pro-league wage may be small it is (generally) a regular income while as I understand it the minor league stuff is more of a 'cash-in-hand, Pay-as-you-play' arrangement.
Yes, it's easy for me to say but IMHO this practice in this day an age - fuh short-term gain - is a dangerous gamble for the young pro's who still have hopes of a long career and dreams of playing abroad. The Pro-league is their best hope for getting scouted if they ain't in the national side. I have no problem with the the senior pro's that give up on or don't believe in a foreign payday indulging in such practices.
What disturbed me was that W.Connection are (allegedly) party to such practices. I was under the impression like Soccerama; that they were one of the more professional outfits in the country and frowned on such practices which is why I made the 'more fuel' comment in my first post.
I know man have too earn a crust as best as he can is just that like Sam I think those willing to sacrifice have a better chance a reaping dividends. Just an opinion.
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Jovein Jones & Daniel Cyrus have been playing consistently for that team in Minor league.
Both played Saturday in the Carenage final
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The issue is not the fact that he played Minor League. Its the fact that he is a so called professional & his club played that night. Also it was stated in the press that his club felt Joevin need a rest from football.
I also found out Cyrus played in the same game for the same team.
People who say minor league contributing to their football growth, are out of touch with modern football.
Ask them to identify top class world International footballers who leaving their clubs to play minor League.
What will contribute to their football growth is games in the CONCACAF Champions League, where incidentally Joevin was one of the worst performers on view for his club.
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I remember the LaForest's Kenny Joseph and Sammy playing in the Carenage league in the 70's,for Motown's Brazilians,that was huge on aSunday afernoon
Coops I do not recall you playing with that outfit...did you
Yes i did on many occasions,it's the only team i played for in Carenage.
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Coops there was Dougla youth from Petit Valley who played on that team,do you have any memory of him and if you do,do you remember his name
I recall Bernard Julien stringup the Brazilian keeper off a corner kick,how is your recall on that one.... :devil:
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Coops there was Dougla youth from Petit Valley who played on that team,do you have any memory of him and if you do,do you remember his name
I recall Bernard Julien stringup the Brazilian keeper off a corner kick,how is your recall on that one.... :devil:
I wonder if you talking about Jughead.
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Both Joevin and Cyrus omitted from W Connection game vs Houston tonight.
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If that was Jughead.I am thankful for the heads up,I have asked many people who that guy was but none seem to have a clue.I always thought he had a wicked skill set,at that time I would have fovoured him over Sammy
Thanks Cooper
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Joevin and Cyrus playing a dangerous game there.... 2 promising players but If you have no discipline and do not show professionalism you will suffer the consequences
Get your act together lads
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If that was Jughead.I am thankful for the heads up,I have asked many people who that guy was but none seem to have a clue.I always thought he had a wicked skill set,at that time I would have fovoured him over Sammy
Thanks Cooper
Jughead had a unique set of skills,he was just different from the rest of us,i encountered him first when i was coaching Textel i just used to let him do his thing,it worked for us so why change him.I am not sure on this one but did he not get called to the national team?
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If that was Jughead.I am thankful for the heads up,I have asked many people who that guy was but none seem to have a clue.I always thought he had a wicked skill set,at that time I would have fovoured him over Sammy
Thanks Cooper
Jughead had a unique set of skills,he was just different from the rest of us,i encountered him first when i was coaching Textel i just used to let him do his thing,it worked for us so why change him.I am not sure on this one but did he not get called to the national team?
He did play for TT. I saw him playing for TT in Virginia. TT was on their way to the Shell Cup in JA. They lost 1-0 to US. He was decent in that game. The guys did not want to overextend themselves because of the cup games ahead. But I saw him came on in a game vs CR on tv. He was lively but TT never wins in CR, good team or bad team. Maybe he was good on the local scene, but I did not see anything to brag about when he played international football. I did not see him as much I the other big name TT players.
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If that was Jughead.I am thankful for the heads up,I have asked many people who that guy was but none seem to have a clue.I always thought he had a wicked skill set,at that time I would have fovoured him over Sammy
Thanks Cooper
Jughead had a unique set of skills,he was just different from the rest of us,i encountered him first when i was coaching Textel i just used to let him do his thing,it worked for us so why change him.I am not sure on this one but did he not get called to the national team?
He did play for TT. I saw him playing for TT in Virginia. TT was on their way to the Shell Cup in JA. They lost 1-0 to US. He was decent in that game. The guys did not want to overextend themselves because of the cup games ahead. But I saw him came on in a game vs CR on tv. He was lively but TT never wins in CR, good team or bad team. Maybe he was good on the local scene, but I did not see anything to brag about when he played international football. I did not see him as much I the other big name TT players.
Deeks,you know that is a T&T issue,both players and teams seem to be quite good at home playing against ourselves but can't perform against foreign opposition or abroad.
Any body who knows or have seen this guy like i did will tell you he was special,to be honest i have never seen him play internationally and will not doubt what you have said,most players when taken out of their comfort zone can't perform.
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Minor sweat, major consequences: Joevin and Cyrus face Connection axe
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868)
The Trinidad and Tobago Pro League’s most dynamic players, utility player Joevin Jones and defender Daneil Cyrus, are both in big trouble professionally after being caught playing minor league football in Carenage.
Jones and Cyrus, who are both 22, were not used by DIRECTV W Connection for the club’s CONCACAF Champions League match away to Houston Dynamo yesterday, which ended in a 2-0 loss.
At present, Jones is the Connection club captain while Cyrus is the team’s vice-captain. The two players represented Trinidad and Tobago at the 2013 CONCACAF Gold Cup and are considered the club’s most valuable assets.
A contrite Cyrus admitted that they were guilty as charged.
“That was a mistake from both of us,” Cyrus told Wired868. “We will understand whatever decision they make. I was wrong to go and play there.
“I am just waiting to find out what they are going to do.”
Connection president David John Williams refused to rule out any course of action including dismissal. But he said the club will not reveal its position until tomorrow.
“The club will make a statement tomorrow,” said Williams, who declined the opportunity to make any further comment on the situation.
Jones and Cyrus are likely to be sent to the Connection disciplinary committee to review the infraction. Elsewhere in the Pro League, Central FC attacker Johan Peltier was found guilty of the same violation and was allegedly fined by his coach Terry Fenwick.
It is possible that Jones and Cyrus might face a harsher penalty although, in theory, the disciplinary committee would have the last word.
Fevrier has been Williams’ head coach for all but one of the 14 years since Connection joined the Pro League in 1999. And, together, they made the “Savonetta Boys” the most successful team in Trinidad and Tobago’s professional era.
Tonight, Fevrier and Williams are likely to start a discussion that can shape the club’s immediate future.
Last December, Fevrier took a firm stance after a verbal altercation with 28-year-old goalkeeper Jan-Michael Williams, who was the Trinidad and Tobago and Connection captain at the time. The club chairman backed his coach and Jan-Michael was released despite a MVP performance as Connection won the domestic title in the 2011/12 season.
Jan-Michael joined St Ann’s Rangers for the completion of last season before moving to Central FC for this term.
At 22, Jones and Cyrus both have their best years ahead of them and they are unlikely to be short of suitors on the domestic or international markets. Jones was Connection’s top scorer last season with 17 goals from an advanced midfield position while Cyrus was one of Trinidad and Tobago’s standout performers at the July Gold Cup.
The two players missed Trinidad and Tobago’s recent appearance at the OSN Cup in which the “Soca Warriors” held the United Arab Emirates to a gallant 3-3 draw before losing on penalties and then romped to a 3-1 win over host nation, Saudi Arabia.
Cyrus skipped his flight after an administrative mix-up with the national team manager while Connection asked national team coach Stephen Hart to excuse Jones due to his overwhelming domestic and international duties over the past two years. Connection even gave Jones two weeks off to help him recuperate.
But Jones’ workload included a minor league in his Carenage hometown.
Cyrus and Jones played Champions League football in Port of Spain last Thursday night against Arabe Unidad and then again from 5 pm on Saturday evening against Police FC in the Pro League. Jones scored the lone goal against Police in Couva.
Fevrier allowed his players to leave camp on Saturday night to prepare for their trip to Houston Dynamo on Monday morning. But Cyrus and Jones headed straight to Carenage for their third game in three games at the minor league final, which kicked off at 8 pm. They were on the losing side as Scorpions fell 4-2 to Young Guns on Saturday night.
On Monday afternoon in Houston, Jones supposedly told the Connection technical staff that he was unwell and could not train. Two days later, Fevrier was alerted to the pair’s participation in the minor league competition and immediately dropped them from his squad to face Dynamo.
Tomorrow, an expected trip to the disciplinary committee is likely to decide the short-term relationship of Williams, Fevrier, Jones and Cyrus and the immediate future of W Connection.
Editor’s Note: W Connection coach Stuart Charles-Fevrier denied telling Joevin Jones and Daneil Cyrus that they would not represent the club again and the line has been omitted from the report. Wired868 has adjusted its report to suit and regrets any hurt caused by that assertion.
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Its not a good year for Connection. 1st Jan, now Jones and Cyrus? Central FC will do well to snap them up too
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And whoever snaps them up will potentially benefit from selling them overseas too. I'm sure Connection will have to think very carefully about that before their final decision.
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Editor’s Note: W Connection coach Stuart Charles-Fevrier denied telling Joevin Jones and Daneil Cyrus that they would not represent the club again and the line has been omitted from the report. Wired868 has adjusted its report to suit and regrets any hurt caused by that assertion.
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So de man did REALLY play in de minor league game?
I was giving it some time to see if was true, so lemmeh see, W Connection (and Nashies to boot) skipper AND vice-skipper play in minor league football with dey season in full swing?
Ok, taking off meh non-judgemental hat for a second...dem fellahs ha to be really, really jokey in truth yes.
And dat is how I feel eh, fellahs could have dey own opinion but de pro league eh no rell pro league and how Nashies been playing minor league football from time immemorial or whatever...dem fellahs ha to be rell jokey!
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I don't see why this is an issue,nobody sure if the guy played Minor League Football or not,i can't believe he played for his club and Minor League Football on the same day.
This issue about players playing Minor League Football is a big joke,i remembered since in my time as a player the TTFA used put restrictions on us concerning Minor League Football and we still used to play,nobody got banned or anything.
The same thing is happening now,the clubs have restrictions on it but the Pro League does not,i remember Fenwick banning Marvin Oliver when he was at Jabloteh only to see now he at Central Marvin is the first player he call.
T&T is too small for all these restrictions on players,palyers not playing enough Football and Minor Leagues fill the gaps,imagine College players are in the same situation.
I believe there is a definite Pro League rule about this. I think players are not allowed to play any other football unless permission is given by their club.
Sometimes clubs allow this if a player is not making the first team, as he can keep match fit. But almost always, clubs would not allow this for first team regulars. Last season, Central were losing 3-0 at half time to Rangers. The staff discovered that 3 players had played in Carenage the night before. Those players were subbed and the game ended 3-2. Those players were also fired.
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Thanks for saying that coops.
people talk bout pro league but your salary is 2000TT a month
People talk about pro league but you have to take a maxi to go to the game no team bus.
you get to the field and no dressing room to change your clothes before you train
they dont even have ice to put on your foot if you get a knock.
Yet still people quick to say in england pro league players dont play minor league and trinidad too back ward.
Fact is if it was real proleague like in england you would not have time to play minor league football because your schedule is set minute by minute 7 days a week for the 9 months in season.
Your ass is being bussed from game to game location to location, training to training
cant even find time to do anything except play football for your big team.
That is real pro league.
You're not totally wrong, but your statements are a bit misleading.
people talk bout pro league but your salary is 2000TT a month Minimum Pro League salary is TT$2,500 p.m. That's usually for youngsters. Average salary is around TT$4,000 p.m. A decent player can earn between $6k-$8k and there may also be free accommodation included. A 16-18 year old in England would earn around £650 p.m. Based on standard of living expenses, it's probably about the same as in T&T. A young pro in England should start off at around £300 per week (less than an average KFC worker. But after that, as we know, the sky's the limit.
People talk about pro league but you have to take a maxi to go to the game no team bus. Team bus is usually provided for away games. In England, players make their own way to home matches. Usually they travel by team bus to away games, but not always. For instance, a Millwall player may live closer to Watford than Millwall so will be allowed to travel straight to Watfords ground. Team buses usually meet players at set locations, maybe a hotel or service station. Often, players would drive for an hour to reach the team bus!
you get to the field and no dressing room to change your clothes before you train This can happen if the usual training location is unavailable. Sadly, many training fields are community fields without decent facilities. This is why clubs need their own training complex.
they dont even have ice to put on your foot if you get a knock. I'm not saying this has never happened, but clubs usually spend between $500 - $1,000 per month on ice
Fact is if it was real proleague like in england you would not have time to play minor league football because your schedule is set minute by minute 7 days a week for the 9 months in season. In England, players usually reach home by 2pm. The club has no idea where they are until 10 a.m. the next day. Most players go home and sleep for a couple of hours and rest up all evening. Most don't drink alcohol and eat correctly. This is professionalism. There are some exceptions of course....George Best, Gazza, Paul Merson etc
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I was told:
The league has disciplinary measures and regulations in place when it comes to players participating in minor league football to protect member clubs when players engage in what is considered to be an illegal activity and are let go from their contracts...the process of moving to another club under these conditions isn't as easy as many assume it to be.
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I was told:
The league has disciplinary measures and regulations in place when it comes to players participating in minor league football to protect member clubs when players engage in what is considered to be an illegal activity and are let go from their contracts...the process of moving to another club under these conditions isn't as easy as many assume it to be.
I'm trying to remember, but I think if a player is sacked, he has to wait until the next transfer window before he can sign with a new club.
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I'm glad to hear that my original belief in Connection having certain professional standards was not unfounded. Disappointed in the actions of Cyrus and Jones as if I was aware such activities were'nt acceptable surely they were as well.
I appreciate a football career is short and the earning potential of a footballer in T&T is limited but to risk your main source of income for essentially top-up funds......well, it's not a wise course of action IMO.
Like most of the forumites here, I'm not hating on them. All I want is for these guys to get as much as they can out of the game both financially and as footballers. It's such a risk to do what they have.
Does this league in Carenage provide worthwhile if any insurance for players? I could hazard ah guess at what the answer will be.
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Rodney you so right!
I in disbelief that a respect coach like Coops supports their actions. My daughter in US College and during season they have rules she can't play anywhere else. Coops as a University coach also respected those same rules.
Now I okay with players playing a minor league game, once its out of season. But when you just finish play a league game and have Champions League in three days, I cannot justify their actions. Is pure amateur dotishness. What make it worst, is Captain of the club and National Team players. No wonder we struggling in International football, OUR PLAYERS MENTALITY SMALL MINDED
Regardless how you view the pro league, owners putting up money and running at a loss. So they supporting football in the country, more than most others in Cooperate T&T. If I make a decision to sign a contract & accept the people money, then I am obliged to fulfill the agreement. If I want to play minor league so bad then play Zonal or Super League & take your minor league sweat.
W Connection are 100% in the right here and I for one applaud them. You cannot accept my money & not accept my rules. Before Cyrus & Jones signed they dam well knew the rules & consequences. Now as a League the clubs should stand together a gain respectability by setting standards. But this not going to happen, clubs going and rush in like fat man in a buffet, to sign these two players. But the Window close so they out for at least 5 months.
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Rodney you so right!
I in disbelief that a respect coach like Coops supports their actions. My daughter in US College and during season they have rules she can't play anywhere else. Coops as a University coach also respected those same rules.
Now I okay with players playing a minor league game, once its out of season. But when you just finish play a league game and have Champions League in three days, I cannot justify their actions. Is pure amateur dotishness. What make it worst, is Captain of the club and National Team players. No wonder we struggling in International football, OUR PLAYERS MENTALITY SMALL MINDED
Regardless how you view the pro league, owners putting up money and running at a loss. So they supporting football in the country, more than most others in Cooperate T&T. If I make a decision to sign a contract & accept the people money, then I am obliged to fulfill the agreement. If I want to play minor league so bad then play Zonal or Super League & take your minor league sweat.
W Connection are 100% in the right here and I for one applaud them. You cannot accept my money & not accept my rules. Before Cyrus & Jones signed they dam well knew the rules & consequences. Now as a League the clubs should stand together a gain respectability by setting standards. But this not going to happen, clubs going and rush in like fat man in a buffet, to sign these two players. But the Window close so they out for at least 5 months.
Unfortunately, football is not a principled sport. Without doubt, every team would want Cyrus and Jones. Much like there'll always be a club that wants Terry, Suarez, Barotelli and all the other super talented bad boys.
But, of course, there's always the argument that these guys deserve a second chance. As has been mentioned, Marvin Oliver got caught playing fete match by Terry Fenwick, but he still signed him again! I also know that W.Connwction have fired players for this before but then took them back.
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(1) if they are fired and the next professional opportunity is closed for a while, ironically they might spend their time playing recreational football.
(2) the pro-league can be very dull and dry due to lack of crowd support. some players are relatively less motivated by money, and more by the roar of the crowd and visceral appreciation of their skills. maybe if the pro-league were to sanction seven-a-side matches against community teams it would give some of these players an outlet, a little more pesh, and promote the league. but that is not the reality and they have to pay the consequences for their lack of professionalism.
(3) while we rightly criticize these players for their foolhardy decision, lets not take the pro-league off the hook just yet. they not serving or servicing the demand for sport in these communities. reconnection with communities will go along way to make the game more enjoyable for players and help put money in their pockets. the executive seriously needs to address this issue instead of making empty promises every season.
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The same thing is happening now,the clubs have restrictions on it but the Pro League does not,i remember Fenwick banning Marvin Oliver when he was at Jabloteh only to see now he at Central Marvin is the first player he call.
At a meeting of the Board of Directors, it was unanimously agreed that a common measure needs to be established for all clubs in order to deal with the prevailing problem.
It was agreed that offenders would be dismissed from their club with immediate effect. As a result, the implementation of this rule will entitle clubs to release a player from his contract if he is caught playing minor league football.
When a club cancels a player’s contract for participating in a minor league match the player would be fined six months salary of which any club wishing to sign him must pay to the league before the player becomes eligible to play for the said club.
Non-contracted players will face a minimum sanction of six months before re-entry into the pro league if caught playing minor league football. A non-contracted player can continue playing for a minor league team if he so desires.
Second time offenders will be brought before the disciplinary committee of the Pro League who would then determine the penalty to be imposed on such a player.
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=38651.0
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Just some food for thought,are there any Pro players that play any other sport? there are other sports that enhances different aspects of a player's game,weather it's strenght,endurance,agility etc etc
I remember Sammy Llwelyn was a top long distance runner in the country,i myself almost made our national Badminton tean but Football came first.
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Do these guys want out from Connection? Maybe they want to go Central
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(1) if they are fired and the next professional opportunity is closed for a while, ironically they might spend their time playing recreational football.
(2) the pro-league can be very dull and dry due to lack of crowd support. some players are relatively less motivated by money, and more by the roar of the crowd and visceral appreciation of their skills. maybe if the pro-league were to sanction seven-a-side matches against community teams it would give some of these players an outlet, a little more pesh, and promote the league. but that is not the reality and they have to pay the consequences for their lack of professionalism.
(3) while we rightly criticize these players for their foolhardy decision, lets not take the pro-league off the hook just yet. they not serving or servicing the demand for sport in these communities. reconnection with communities will go along way to make the game more enjoyable for players and help put money in their pockets. the executive seriously needs to address this issue instead of making empty promises every season.
Please, Zandolie, please, just tell me how to do this with limited funds. After four years in this business, I hold my hands up and say "I don't know how"
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(1) if they are fired and the next professional opportunity is closed for a while, ironically they might spend their time playing recreational football.
(2) the pro-league can be very dull and dry due to lack of crowd support. some players are relatively less motivated by money, and more by the roar of the crowd and visceral appreciation of their skills. maybe if the pro-league were to sanction seven-a-side matches against community teams it would give some of these players an outlet, a little more pesh, and promote the league. but that is not the reality and they have to pay the consequences for their lack of professionalism.
(3) while we rightly criticize these players for their foolhardy decision, lets not take the pro-league off the hook just yet. they not serving or servicing the demand for sport in these communities. reconnection with communities will go along way to make the game more enjoyable for players and help put money in their pockets. the executive seriously needs to address this issue instead of making empty promises every season.
Please, Zandolie, please, just tell me how to do this with limited funds. After four years in this business, I hold my hands up and say "I don't know how"
Isn't Central FC doing just that....interacting and engaging the comunity while promoting the game?
Money problems are one thing, but its quite another to identify constraints to growth, set targets and doggedly pursue them. and yet quite another to admit failure, and ask for help. Look, I really want to love the pro-league, I really do...but in the past 5-6 years, apart from the efforts of a few individuals, I've seen precious little initiative to put heads together to attack these problems. Has the league even sought out football fans to ask why they don't come to games anymore?
I don't have the answers on specific aspects of promoting the game. But I want to SEE the effort being made by those charged to do so. Then I could at least get behind them and support.
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(1) if they are fired and the next professional opportunity is closed for a while, ironically they might spend their time playing recreational football.
(2) the pro-league can be very dull and dry due to lack of crowd support. some players are relatively less motivated by money, and more by the roar of the crowd and visceral appreciation of their skills. maybe if the pro-league were to sanction seven-a-side matches against community teams it would give some of these players an outlet, a little more pesh, and promote the league. but that is not the reality and they have to pay the consequences for their lack of professionalism.
(3) while we rightly criticize these players for their foolhardy decision, lets not take the pro-league off the hook just yet. they not serving or servicing the demand for sport in these communities. reconnection with communities will go along way to make the game more enjoyable for players and help put money in their pockets. the executive seriously needs to address this issue instead of making empty promises every season.
Please, Zandolie, please, just tell me how to do this with limited funds. After four years in this business, I hold my hands up and say "I don't know how"
Isn't Central FC doing just that....interacting and engaging the comunity while promoting the game?
Money problems are one thing, but its quite another to identify constraints to growth, set targets and doggedly pursue them. and yet quite another to admit failure, and ask for help. Look, I really want to love the pro-league, I really do...but in the past 5-6 years, apart from the efforts of a few individuals, I've seen precious little initiative to put heads together to attack these problems. Has the league even sought out football fans to ask why they don't come to games anymore?
I don't have the answers on specific aspects of promoting the game. But I want to SEE the effort being made by those charged to do so. Then I could at least get behind them and support.
Well, yes. But our approach will not get instant results. We started with zero supporters. If we can recruit one new supporter, we're successful, but then we have to retain that supporter.
I really can't see a quick fix other than building a facility right in the heart of the community. And, of course, that takes a lot of money.
I get very frustrated. Last season we started printing 8 page "match programmes" I really thought the other clubs would follow, but they haven't.
I'm really hoping that Point will utilise their fan base and perhaps Jabloteh will do something different.
When we left North East, the community projects stopped. But at least their fan club continued.
But we are just one club and it takes more than one to change things.
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All’s fine at Connection: Joevin and Cyrus accept lesser punishments.
By Lasana Liburd (wired868).
Trinidad and Tobago rising football stars, Joevin Jones and Daneil Cyrus, have both accepted fines from their employer, DIRECTV W Connection, and are free to resume Pro League service starting from 8 pm this Friday in an eagerly anticipated First Citizens Cup semifinal match against Central FC at the Ato Boldon Stadium in Couva.
Jones and Cyrus were Connection’s captain and vice-captain respectively but the pair admitted to playing minor league football in Carenage last month, which was a breach of their club contracts.
“They were fined two month’s salaries of which one month was suspended pended any further infractions within the next six months,” Connection chairman David John Williams told Wired868. “They have got a two-match ban and to write a letter of apology to the national football community as well.”
Williams explained that the two-match ban was retroactive and the players were considered to have served it after being omitted from Connection recent games against Houston Dynamo and Point Fortin Civic, in the CONCACAF Champions League and First Citizens quarterfinal respectively.
Williams praised the response from the players since the incident, particularly on the training ground, while coach Stuart Charles-Fevrier was also happy to abide with the decision of Connection’s Disciplinary Committee, which is chaired by Kirk Davis.
“I feel the decision was fair,” said Fevrier. “It could have been harder but the club took a lot of things into consideration.”
Cyrus reiterated his remorse to Wired868 and confirmed that the players will write formal letters of apology to Connection and the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) for their behaviour.
“We know we were wrong,” said Cyrus. “We just have to learn from it now and move on now.”
Cyrus, a former Roxborough Composite and El Dorado schoolboy, explained that the players had not been seduced by an opportunity to make extra money or the crowds at the minor league grounds. They just wanted to have fun with some friends.
“It was just the chance to play with guys we ‘lime’ with it and are close to,” said Cyrus. “It wasn’t about anything else.”
One of Trinidad and Tobago’s more gifted defenders in recent time, Cyrus is anxious to return to action for Connection and to continue on his developmental path, which, he hopes, will take him to Europe.
The two-time World Youth Cup defender recently had an unsuccessful stint at top flight Belgium club, Racing Genk, but claimed that he was distracted by the poor health of his grandmother, Euris Sandy. He cut the trial short to be at her bedside in Tobago.
“My grandmom lives with my mother and she was really sick,” he said. “She is okay now. But she is still not moving and can’t walk or do anything for herself…”
According to new Pro League rules, Cyrus and Jones could have been banned for as long as nine months. And, during that time, they would have forfeited club salaries and been unable to change clubs.
Williams suggested that neither player is likely to wear the captain’s armband again in the near future. But all parties might be relieved that they could be on the field within two days in a high stakes fixture against their Couva rival.
“I don’t want to ventilate (this incident) too much again,” said Williams, who released his previous captain and present Central FC custodian Jan-Michael Williams earlier this year after a verbal altercation with Fevrier. “We made a ruling and I want the players to move on with their careers… They did show remorse.
“I got a personal apology from Joevin as well.”
Jones and Cyrus may hope to put a smile on their chairman’s face when Connection faces an old foe and a former friend in Central coach Terry Fenwick and national goalkeeper Jan-Michael Williams respectively.
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Maybe I am a bit soft on the issue, but I find immediate/automatic dismissal for playing in the minor-league is harsh. Especially if it is a first time situation. What ever happened to fines and suspensions? Perhaps some mandatory lecture on why it is such a big deal to play minor league ball in the first place can better help the player. Why are we so heavy handed when dealing with discipline? At some point we have to consider more sophisticated tools when trying to develop a product and the players are an integral part of that product.
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T&T is too small for...
How we think is how we achieve.
Words of wisdom indeed!
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Maybe I am a bit soft on the issue, but I find immediate/automatic dismissal for playing in the minor-league is harsh. Especially if it is a first time situation. What ever happened to fines and suspensions? Perhaps some mandatory lecture on why it is such a big deal to play minor league ball in the first place can better help the player. Why are we so heavy handed when dealing with discipline? At some point we have to consider more sophisticated tools when trying to develop a product and the players are an integral part of that product.
You are correct in saying that you are a bit soft on the issue!
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Add Jamille Boatswain and Aubrey David tuh de list.