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Sports => Football => Topic started by: Football supporter on February 25, 2011, 09:32:00 AM
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I just heard the following: Should be fairly accurate, but give me some leeway here!
Judge said he had never witnessed such a poorly produced set of accounts. He has demanded TTFF produce a full and exact account including spreadsheets showing all income and expenditure.
He said he couldn't even tell when and how the govts $88 million was received and spent.
He refused TTFF's request to remove Oliver Camps from the submission. He said Oliver Camps was the sole proprietor of TTFF and was therefore responsible for overseeing all activity.
He ruled that the 3 players who settled during the case should pay their share of legal fees as it was their duty to inform their lawyer that they had settled.
He awarded the 13 remaining players US$1.1 million as an interim payment to be paid within 21 days.
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Boom! I hope dis true! And i HOPE IT GETS REPORTED!!
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TT$533,000 per man... that's not bad.
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TT$533,000 per man... that's not bad.
Shouldn't that be TT$6.3 million plus
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TT$533,000 per man... that's not bad.
Shouldn't that be TT$6.3 million plus
It is 13 of them... ::)
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TT$533,000 per man... that's not bad.
Shouldn't that be TT$6.3 million plus
It is 13 of them... ::)
Thanks, my bad!!!!
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....True talk, fellas, this interim payment is a drop in the bucket of the money that was stolen from the '06 campaign. Jack and dem are much bigger thieves than any of us can imagine. True talk.
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Boom! I hope dis true! And i HOPE IT GETS REPORTED!!
All 3 papers were represented in court!!
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Boom! I hope dis true! And i HOPE IT GETS REPORTED!!
All 3 papers were represented in court!!
I sure all three papers were present at the Luncheon the TTFF Special Adviser held at his home earlier this year too! Dat doh say nuttin!
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Boom! I hope dis true! And i HOPE IT GETS REPORTED!!
True, but its very difficult to not report facts when you cover a story. Sure, they can try to reduce the impact, but in this instance I'm sure the truth will be printed. However, its the editorials that will do the damage and I'm not convinced all three will be brave enough to attack TTFF and question Jack too much.
All 3 papers were represented in court!!
I sure all three papers were present at the Luncheon the TTFF Special Adviser held at his home earlier this year too! Dat doh say nuttin!
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Now they go stop spending money on football and blame de palyers.
VB
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Thanks for the update FS... great news indeed. :beermug:
By my math each player should be receiving (1,100,000 x 6) 6,600,000/13= $508k TT approx. Not a bad return on 4 years of patience and frustration.
Now they go stop spending money on football and blame de palyers.
VB
In other words... business as usual.
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Thanks for the update FS... great news indeed. :beermug:
By my math each player should be receiving (1,100,000 x 6) 6,600,000/13= $508k TT approx. Not a bad return on 4 years of patience and frustration.
And nearly 100 times more than originally offered with maybe more to come!!
Now they go stop spending money on football and blame de palyers.
VB
In other words... business as usual.
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He ruled that the 3 players who settled during the case should pay their share of legal fees as it was their duty to inform their lawyer that they had settled.
He awarded the 13 remaining players US$1.1 million as an interim payment to be paid within 21 days.
wow!! :o bek-eh-nell
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where all the money gone? !!!
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just in time for all the footballers to go carnival fetes :rotfl:
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diamondtrim go hadda sell he silk garments on e-bay
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Until TTFF actually hands over checks I will reserve my excitement
But thanks to the judge for showing some balls
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where all the money gone? !!!
http://www.youtube.com/v/9l6s3joSKy0
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I thought we would have heard something different,this is old news,the amount of times the different courts have awarded the Worriors payments,what i can't understand is the judge say the TTFF books not right but he award payments to the players,i wonder if the players going to accept that.
Any how what is the source of this information,we gone back with the ah hear thing and man waving flag.
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I thought we would have heard something different,this is old news,the amount of times the different courts have awarded the Worriors payments,what i can't understand is the judge say the TTFF books not right but he award payments to the players,i wonder if the players going to accept that.
Any how what is the source of this information,we gone back with the ah hear thing and man waving flag.
Coops ah respect yuh plenty eh... but yuh does come like a real wet rag sometimes...
understand that there is a procedure to do things... the TTFF have failed to come up with a proper set of books...
de judge send them back to correct it and in the meantime make a next interim payment... if de TTFF continue to stall with shoddy accounting, he could then take further action, including charging people with contempt of court... de law does not usually work like on tv.. where cases does wrap up in one hour minus commercials.
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I thought we would have heard something different,this is old news,the amount of times the different courts have awarded the Worriors payments,what i can't understand is the judge say the TTFF books not right but he award payments to the players,i wonder if the players going to accept that.
Any how what is the source of this information,we gone back with the ah hear thing and man waving flag.
The players have never been awarded money before... the various rulings in their favor just agreed with them that they were OWED money. This is the first time a court has told the TTFF to pay the players. Also, why wouldn't the players accept this? The key word here is "interim"... which in trini slang is equivalent to "in the mean time." So this is not the end of the matter, the TTFF has to pay them this amount, and more if a proper accounting justifies it.
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I thought we would have heard something different,this is old news,the amount of times the different courts have awarded the Worriors payments,what i can't understand is the judge say the TTFF books not right but he award payments to the players,i wonder if the players going to accept that.
Any how what is the source of this information,we gone back with the ah hear thing and man waving flag.
Coops ah respect yuh plenty eh... but yuh does come like a real wet rag sometimes...
understand that there is a procedure to do things... the TTFF have failed to come up with a proper set of books...
de judge send them back to correct it and in the meantime make a next interim payment... if de TTFF continue to stall with shoddy accounting, he could then take further action, including charging people with contempt of court... de law does not usually work like on tv.. where cases does wrap up in one hour minus commercials.
Sorry ,my bad i thought this was the final settlement,i didn't know there is more to come.
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I thought we would have heard something different,this is old news,the amount of times the different courts have awarded the Worriors payments,what i can't understand is the judge say the TTFF books not right but he award payments to the players,i wonder if the players going to accept that.
Any how what is the source of this information,we gone back with the ah hear thing and man waving flag.
I guess we all get a little skeptical, but this is the real deal. There is no appeal, because this was the appeal! TTFF have 21 days to pay US$1.1 million. The judge cannot award any more at this stage because, frankly, he's got no idea how much the players are owed. However, there is enough evidence to award the interim. Now there is a court order, TTFF can receive punative fines or custodial sentences if they don't comply. I believe TTFF can still use certain legal avenues to delay but the judge will only tolerate so much time wasting. He basically believes the players are owed money and have waited long enough.
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I thought we would have heard something different,this is old news,the amount of times the different courts have awarded the Worriors payments,what i can't understand is the judge say the TTFF books not right but he award payments to the players,i wonder if the players going to accept that.
Any how what is the source of this information,we gone back with the ah hear thing and man waving flag.
I guess we all get a little skeptical, but this is the real deal. There is no appeal, because this was the appeal! TTFF have 21 days to pay US$1.1 million. The judge cannot award any more at this stage because, frankly, he's got no idea how much the players are owed. However, there is enough evidence to award the interim. Now there is a court order, TTFF can receive punative fines or custodial sentences if they don't comply. I believe TTFF can still use certain legal avenues to delay but the judge will only tolerate so much time wasting. He basically believes the players are owed money and have waited long enough.
Ah love it! The TTFF have to start paying up or get their jail clothes ready!!
God is ah Trini, he doh like ugly & the longest rope has an end! :chilling:
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Guess the Ministry of Works will embark on some new project to pay the players
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Best news in a looong time.
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Yes, yes, yes, yippeeeeeeeeeeeee! Any word from Jack? :loser: :cursing:
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*going through too many emotions*
*needs time to collect thoughts and feelings*
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*going through too many emotions*
*needs time to collect thoughts and feelings*
Yuh go help out Birchy wit he lawyer fees?
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*going through too many emotions*
*needs time to collect thoughts and feelings*
Yuh go help out Birchy wit he lawyer fees?
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Let me say it again EVIL PREVAILS WHEN GOOD MEN DO NOTHING. 13 GOOD MEN DEMFELLAS LETS NAME THEM
Sancho
Shaka
Jack
Whitley
Cyd
Wolfe
Johnx2 Stern and Avery
Samuel Colin not Glenroy
Jones
Atiba
Cornell
Evans Wise
Best news in a looong time.
ENTGuess the Ministry of Works will embark on some new project to pay the players
CO-SIGNNNNNN*going through too many emotions*
*needs time to collect thoughts and feelings*
Yuh go help out Birchy wit he lawyer fees?
Me eh helping DOG so she eh helpin Birchy
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I want to see Oliver Camps and Jack Warner behind bars !!!!
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I want to see Oliver Camps and Jack Warner behind bars !!!!
CO-SIGNNNNNNNNNNNN
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Amen and Women!!!!!!I will curb my enthusiasm until the first million is distributed.
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hear Jack when reporters questioned him on the issue.....If i was to advise the TTFF today i will tell them to pay the money and call it a day...
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hear Jack when reporters questioned him on the issue.....If i was to advise the TTFF today i will tell them to pay the money and call it a day...
Because he don't want them looking deeper into the books!!!!!!!!
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hear Jack when reporters questioned him on the issue.....If i was to advise the TTFF today i will tell them to pay the money and call it a day...
If I was 2 advise dem like u know he doh gie dem advise.
Because he don't want them looking deeper into the books!!!!!!!!
Dat goin 2 happen because d judge order proper records. I wish him well wit dat. Just use what d players submit.
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$7M FOR SOCA WARRIORS
Court orders TTFF to pay...
By Denyse Renne denyse.renne@trinidadexpress.com
The Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) has been ordered to pay over $7 million as an interim payment to 13 players who represented this country at the 2006 FIFA World Cup.
Justice Devindra Rampersad, presiding in the Port of Spain High Court yesterday, ruled that an interim payment of US$1,140,384.39 be paid to the footballers. He also expressed concern over what he labelled as the inadequate and "cloudy" way in which the TTFF's accounting books were presented to the courts.
"I have great issue with the accounts filed and I feel there has been no compliance with the precedent set out," Rampersad said.
Looking at the "books", Rampersad said there was no indication with respect to grants and monies received.
"It is totally unaccountable," he said.
The books tendered included all commercial revenue associated with the players in their build-up to the 2006 World Cup, which was held in Germany.
Rampersad then ordered that the accounts be properly done on an Excel spreadsheet.
"I find it strange, I have one document from FIFA, why do we not have a final letter from FIFA and Adidas saying this is how much we paid? Lucky or unlucky for you, I have some experience in the accounting field." Rampersad said he could tell when things were not right.
In addressing attorneys present, Rampersad said FIFA's monies "are a mystery" and that "one million francs" seemed to be missing.
"I cannot understand why it is not accounted for," he said.
Attorneys Om Lalla and Kelvin Ramkissoon are appearing on behalf of the TTFF, while attorneys Michael Tong-Lee, Dave DePeiza and George Hislop are seeking the interest of the footballers.
At yesterday's hearing, attorney Derrick Balliram stood in for Lalla, who was out of the country. The judge said he needed to have several matters cleared and needed the assistance of Lalla for this to be achieved.
Rampersad said in coming to his decision, sports giant Adidas had a contract with the TTFF where equipment and other items were provided, adding that this was not monetary in value. He said this was left out as part of the interim payment and he needed further clarity on this issue. He said he was also unsatisfied about what happened to other money, moreso the millions pumped from the private sector, which crossed $40 million.
"What is happening? A striking piece of document is not being accounted for and that is startling. Some of the monies was pre-qualifying and post. If this is the case, the monies are not accounted," Rampersad said.
Noting that auditors K Rampersad did not say how the money came in and how it was disbursed, Rampersad said however long it takes "the accounts must be properly done".
He said initially there were 16 players contesting the suit, but three of them—Marvin Andrews, Chris Birchall and Ian Cox—withdrew from the suit. Rampersad ordered that they pay their own costs.
The players who continued the action against the TTFF-led Oliver Camps are Brent Sancho, Shaka Hislop, Kelvin Jack, Atiba Charles, Cyd Gray, Avery John, Aurtis Whitley, Collin Samuel, Evans Wise, Anthony Wolfe, Cornell Glen, Kenwyne Jones and Stern John. FIFA vice-president and TTFF special adviser, Jack Warner, was also named in the suit.
Last year, the TTFF appealed Rampersad's July 29 order requesting it honour its bonus agreement with the players. This was dismissed by the Appeal Court.
Court proceedings were first filed in November 2008 at the Port of Spain High Court, where the 16 players asked the High Court to enforce the judgment of the London-based Sport Dispute Resolution Panel (SDRP).
The SDRP had ruled in May 2008 that under the terms of a contract agreed to by Warner, the Soca Warriors were owed 50 per cent of all 2006 World Cup commercial revenue. However, the TTFF claimed a breach of confidentiality by the players meant they were (TTFF) were no longer obligated to the agreement. Following weeks of arguments, Rampersad ruled in favour of the players but the TTFF appealed the decision.
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Jack: Give them the money
By Anna Ramdass anna.ramdass@trinidadexpress.com
Story Updated: Feb 25, 2011 at 11:43 PM ECT
FIFA Vice President Jack Warner said yesterday that he believes the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) should pay the Soca Warriors the money owed to them as ordered by the courts.
Warner, also the Minister of Works and Transport, made the comment following the adjournment of the Parliament sitting.
"I am not involved in that, you know, the TTFF will have to decide. I imagine they will appeal, I really don't know. I haven't spoken to the TTFF," Warner said.
Pressed for further comment, he said: "I have taken myself out of that a long time ago. They had asked for $100 million, at one time was $50 million, then it came to $20 million, one month ago it was $10 million, now the courts says $6 million, okay.
"If I were to advise the TTFF, I would tell them of course to give it to them and call it a day, because at the end of the day this thing is just protracted, a waste of time and in the end nobody will believe it."
Questioned on criticisms that he is responsible for the legal position taken by the players, Warner said, "The country will judge me by my deeds. If the country believes that I am a person who treats people unfairly, I will pay a price for that. If the country believes that I treat people fairly, I will also be praised for that. I don't have to prove anything to anybody, my deeds speak for themselves and this is good enough for me."
He added, "It's one man and one man only who has been fighting this thing, Shaka Hislop and his father. We have paid much more money than you have here.
"What is to gain in all this? What it shows of course is how frivolous this whole thing has been and what it does show is how one man, one person only could lead a multitude to do nonsense. It didn't have to reach this far, from $100 million to now $6 million."
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Mixed reaction from players
By Kern De Freitas
Story Updated: Feb 25, 2011 at 11:43 PM ECT
For the 13 Soca Warriors involved in a legal battle against the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF), it was a bittersweet moment when they were awarded an interim payment of in excess of $7 million (US$1.1 million) yesterday.
Ex-T&T defender Brent Sancho, one of the most vocal players during the case that dates back to 2006, was relieved to finally have some progress in a matter that has had its fair share of twists and turns.
"It's a happy/sad moment because we're finally moving forward in the case. The sad point is where is the money gone because they (TTFF) can't show where the money is gone," Sancho said.
In 2006, 16 players took legal action against the TTFF over 2006 World Cup bonus money they claimed was promised by TTFF special adviser, now Minister of Works, Jack Warner.
After being awarded the money by a sports arbitration body in England, the TTFF took it to the local courts, where High Court Judge Devindra Rampersad ordered the TTFF to pay the players and asked to see the federation's books.
The Express learned that in addition to awarding the footballers an interim sum, to be confirmed next Friday, the TTFF has also been directed to redo their books and present them again to the courts.
Sancho yesterday called on Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar and Minister of Sports Anil Roberts to investigate the matter. He added that the players are happy with the judgment.
"Everybody is happy, but it is astonishing what happened with the accounts, where the money has gone. Where is the money going? Whose pocket is it lining? They want to get paid but in the end they want to see football do well."
George Hislop, father of former T&T goalkeeper Shaka Hislop and one of the legal counsel representing the players in the matter, said the result was a "favourable one" for them.
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After qualification for Germany, arguably one of the best moments in T&T football history. Iz dat serious. Maybe some will say iz de best moment when yuh consider what REALLY matters in life.
In one fell swoop, yuh jess silence all the negative agenda seekers.
Wow!
Big up to Sancho, Harrison and the North East crew, Shaka and father, Keeper Jack, the final 13 players, Flex, Tallman, Patriot and the website crew and the many unsung soldiers who had hard core determination to persist despite an almost overwhelming rip-tide current of naysayers.
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It has been longer than 21 days and everybody is mum about this. I wonder why. Something to make you go, hmmm.
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It has been longer than 21 days and everybody is mum about this. I wonder why. Something to make you go, hmmm.
After d judgement dey had to meet I think d next week and it was 21 ays from then. I cannot remember the date but it is not 21 days from the judgement mentioned.
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It has been longer than 21 days and everybody is mum about this. I wonder why. Something to make you go, hmmm.
After d judgement dey had to meet I think d next week and it was 21 ays from then. I cannot remember the date but it is not 21 days from the judgement mentioned.
Weary you have time.
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It has been longer than 21 days and everybody is mum about this. I wonder why. Something to make you go, hmmm.
After d judgement dey had to meet I think d next week and it was 21 ays from then. I cannot remember the date but it is not 21 days from the judgement mentioned.
Weary you have time.
Plenty when it come 2 my 06 warriors. There are nuff peeps who feel dat Jack cyah be beaten but 13 fellas beat him.
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It has been longer than 21 days and everybody is mum about this. I wonder why. Something to make you go, hmmm.
After d judgement dey had to meet I think d next week and it was 21 ays from then. I cannot remember the date but it is not 21 days from the judgement mentioned.
May 16th or sometime around there.....it was longer than the 21 days initially mentioned.....
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It has been longer than 21 days and everybody is mum about this. I wonder why. Something to make you go, hmmm.
After d judgement dey had to meet I think d next week and it was 21 ays from then. I cannot remember the date but it is not 21 days from the judgement mentioned.
May 16th or sometime around there.....it was longer than the 21 days initially mentioned.....
Dat ring a bell.