The end of the rope for Moamar.Its more to do with oil than Moamar matey.
The end of the rope for Moamar.Its more to do with oil than Moamar matey.
WAR
susan rice wear ah impressive green suit to make she 'case' for no fly zone
colin powell wear ah nice suit to make he 'case' for WMD
ergo
black people in nice suits are warmongers
Things are going to become more volatile as the war intensifies.thanks for this kaliman cuz I was just losing hope in this planet. No fly over libya 24 hrs coverage on cnn. Yes-Fly-zone over pakistan and afghanistan, fire rockets into scores of people - guilty by association. Same ting in Gaza last year right? Flawless intelligence, execute them fellas one time. maybe a paragraph or two in the news. i mean, what is the standard really? any truth and right? any hope? any righteousness? any love? what should I tell my children? any God? anybody who believe in God?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/03/19/libya-attack-world-reaction.html
This campaign is already being condemned by other influential political actors.
:-\
Things are going to become more volatile as the war intensifies.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/03/19/libya-attack-world-reaction.html
This campaign is already being condemned by other influential political actors.
:-\
Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu said China "consistently disagrees with the use of force in international relations" and expressed "regret" over the Saturday attacks.
thanks for this kaliman cuz I was just losing hope in this planet. No fly over libya 24 hrs coverage on cnn. Yes-Fly-zone over pakistan and afghanistan, fire rockets into scores of people - guilty by association. Same ting in Gaza last year right? Flawless intelligence, execute them fellas one time. maybe a paragraph or two in the news. i mean, what is the standard really? any truth and right? any hope? any righteousness? any love? what should I tell my children? any God? anybody who believe in God?
well have fun livin in that bubble eh sir. I know is too much cognitive conflict for you to wrap yuh brain around your beloved country doing wrong. Cruise missile strikes and no civilians dead? google eh partner. I myself thought the libyan military was fighting a civil war against an armed faction in the country...maybe you have some info to the contrary.
Things are going to become more volatile as the war intensifies.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/03/19/libya-attack-world-reaction.html
This campaign is already being condemned by other influential political actors.
:-\
Other "influential political actors" like who... these jokers?QuoteForeign Ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu said China "consistently disagrees with the use of force in international relations" and expressed "regret" over the Saturday attacks.
China only disagrees with the use of force when such use of force is disagreeable to its own interest. It damn sure didn't disagree with the use of force against protesters in Tianamen Sq. and in "international relations" it didn't disagree with the use of force against Taiwan, in the Korean peninsula and in sending MIGs to shoot down a Korean Air Liner that happened to stray into its airspace.
WAR
susan rice wear ah impressive green suit to make she 'case' for no fly zone
colin powell wear ah nice suit to make he 'case' for WMD
ergo
black people in nice suits are warmongers
While I respect that the American and European interests would like to see democracy prevail in Libya, I think that the decision to launch a military offensive against the Libyan state is premature and very dangerous. It would have been better for them to request direct talks with Gaddafi and to try to push emergency elections since there is a significant segment of the Libyan citizenry that is dissatisfied with Gaddafi's rule.
Invading a country, presumably to oust its ruler (I am not even sure what the military objectives of the European and American forces are), amounts to nothing more than a state-sanctioned coup d'etat.
I am not sure if this is a policy that should become the norm in the internaitonal political sphere.
While I respect that the American and European interests would like to see democracy prevail in Libya, I think that the decision to launch a military offensive against the Libyan state is premature and very dangerous. It would have been better for them to request direct talks with Gaddafi and to try to push emergency elections since there is a significant segment of the Libyan citizenry that is dissatisfied with Gaddafi's rule.
Invading a country, presumably to oust its ruler (I am not even sure what the military objectives of the European and American forces are), amounts to nothing more than a state-sanctioned coup d'etat.
I am not sure if this is a policy that should become the norm in the internaitonal political sphere.
The "invasion" is to enforce the UN authorized no-fly zone. Ghadaffi was strafing the protesters so if you negate the air abilities (which the protesters don't have) you even the playing field. In order to do so however you have to take out the Libyan SAM capacity... hence the bombing. There are no foreign troops on the ground (except for Ghadaffi's South African mercenaries... how come nobody talking about that?) so this is not an "invasion".
While I respect that the American and European interests would like to see democracy prevail in Libya, I think that the decision to launch a military offensive against the Libyan state is premature and very dangerous. It would have been better for them to request direct talks with Gaddafi and to try to push emergency elections since there is a significant segment of the Libyan citizenry that is dissatisfied with Gaddafi's rule.
Invading a country, presumably to oust its ruler (I am not even sure what the military objectives of the European and American forces are), amounts to nothing more than a state-sanctioned coup d'etat.
I am not sure if this is a policy that should become the norm in the internaitonal political sphere.
The "invasion" is to enforce the UN authorized no-fly zone. Ghadaffi was strafing the protesters so if you negate the air abilities (which the protesters don't have) you even the playing field. In order to do so however you have to take out the Libyan SAM capacity... hence the bombing. There are no foreign troops on the ground (except for Ghadaffi's South African mercenaries... how come nobody talking about that?) so this is not an "invasion".
As for no foreign troops on the ground
http://greysguns.blogspot.com/2011/03/british-sas-soldiers-captured-by-libyan.html (http://greysguns.blogspot.com/2011/03/british-sas-soldiers-captured-by-libyan.html)
and if yuh think dem is the only fellahs dey..yuh dreamin
As for no foreign troops on the ground
http://greysguns.blogspot.com/2011/03/british-sas-soldiers-captured-by-libyan.html (http://greysguns.blogspot.com/2011/03/british-sas-soldiers-captured-by-libyan.html)
and if yuh think dem is the only fellahs dey..yuh dreamin
The comments below point out those pictures are from 2005 in Basra, Iraq and not current. It's a fake story.
As for no foreign troops on the ground
http://greysguns.blogspot.com/2011/03/british-sas-soldiers-captured-by-libyan.html (http://greysguns.blogspot.com/2011/03/british-sas-soldiers-captured-by-libyan.html)
and if yuh think dem is the only fellahs dey..yuh dreamin
The comments below point out those pictures are from 2005 in Basra, Iraq and not current. It's a fake story.
:-[
http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/07/uk-special-forces-flounder-in-libya/ (http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/07/uk-special-forces-flounder-in-libya/)
William Hague, the [UK] foreign secretary, approved the botched plan to send a team of armed diplomats and SAS [Special Air Service] soldiers into eastern Libya in an effort to build diplomatic contacts with anti-Gaddafi rebels.
If you want to make the argument that these "armed diplomats and SAS soldiers" were invading Libya be my guest. I'm also curious to know when the mercenary "myth (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/22/gaddafi-mercenary-force-libyal)" get debunked.
Btw linky no worky
Btw linky no worky
this look like the link:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/22/gaddafi-mercenary-force-libya
mind yuh, when uncle sam pulling all dem poor-as-dirt mexicans and central americans into de military is ok.
Lol @ armed diplomats behind lines trying to build contacts…just like dat fellah who kill de two pakistani in pakistan was listed as a "diplomat"
It's amazing, despite your lovely rose coloured glasses you continue to see things in black and white
Btw linky no worky
this look like the link:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/22/gaddafi-mercenary-force-libya
mind yuh, when uncle sam pulling all dem poor-as-dirt mexicans and central americans into de military is ok.
It would be silly and suicidal given the current anarchic state for anybody to go into Libya without security/protection. Just do a search on the 4 New York Times journalist held in captivity for over a week and it should be plain as day for any rational person to understand the need to be armed.
I see you conveniently harping now on the fact that they were armed and ignoring the fact that there was only 8 of them. Even if you want to argue that they weren't any diplomats among them, it really strains the bounds of credulity to suggest that they were part of any "invasion". So first it was "foreign troops captured in Libya", that was proved false... yuh den do a quick google and find a next link about 8 foreigners and yuh basing yuh "invasion" argument on that.
We still waiting on yuh "mercenaries myth get debunked" info... no amount ah "glasses" talk could detract from the fact that yuh yet to substantiate the shit yuh talking.
It would be silly and suicidal given the current anarchic state for anybody to go into Libya without security/protection. Just do a search on the 4 New York Times journalist held in captivity for over a week and it should be plain as day for any rational person to understand the need to be armed.
I see you conveniently harping now on the fact that they were armed and ignoring the fact that there was only 8 of them. Even if you want to argue that they weren't any diplomats among them, it really strains the bounds of credulity to suggest that they were part of any "invasion". So first it was "foreign troops captured in Libya", that was proved false... yuh den do a quick google and find a next link about 8 foreigners and yuh basing yuh "invasion" argument on that.
We still waiting on yuh "mercenaries myth get debunked" info... no amount ah "glasses" talk could detract from the fact that yuh yet to substantiate the shit yuh talking.
Ok you deserve a promotion...yuh elevate yuh rank,,, ah cyah call you just...... Captain America no more..you get promoted to Major Argument.. keep yuh uniform crisp
yes, the pictures were false....but both links alluded to the same story..fact is you said there were no troops on the ground..reality is there were/are and not just them fellahs but more
nobody go send an entire battalion in the early stages...but stay tuned
second...I could google up a bag of articles saying the black mercenary stories are false.
it wouldnt prove anything other than,,nobody actually knows (well except you of course) what the truth is as the place is in chaos at this point.
the 'information' comming out of there is like the info when the iraq war first started....all kinda falsehoods reported in the mainstream press.
You and Kounty woulda prefer that the world sit idly by and watch Ghaddafi continue to slaughter the protesters... or better yet, protesters shoulda just siddung dey and take bullet and not fight back, ent?
Yes Major :salute: that would be my preference ::)
A simple "I admit, I was wrong" would suffice.
Affirmative action is a revolving door that can swing right back and hit you in the ass....
Affirmative action is a revolving door that can swing right back and hit you in the ass....
:thinking: :-X
ah expecting some talks from a few forumites that bound to take offense.
ah hear dennis kucinich bawling how congress wasn't consulted about de military action in libya. obuma de so-called constitutional law scholar - what a joke. anyway, tomorrow de us plans for libya will be unveiled.
ah hear dennis kucinich bawling how congress wasn't consulted about de military action in libya. obuma de so-called constitutional law scholar - what a joke. anyway, tomorrow de us plans for libya will be unveiled.
I have a front row seat to the speech... will update after (don't ask how or why....)
All kicks aside and media talking point politics... de prez acted within the constitution, he can take military action against a foreign body for a fixed period without the approval of the house or senate.
here is where the problem lies... The US provides a substantial percentage of the forces and finances for Nato. Nato's command inherently has in the past had to adhere to US foreign diplomacy. This is not one of these situations! It was Nato and the Arab League protecting their foreign interest in Libya, since Nato command relies on the US as a means of strategic command, then it is obvious we had to lead because we have all the provisions to conduct such operations.
The problem that Congress should be asking is "why was this done during the break?" may be to avoid tea-party obstruction...??? Could be... then this would be smart on Obama's behalf...! (my opinion)
Why have we not intervened in other countries with similar situations....?
Since no appropriations bills have been passes in respect to defense... how are we going to pay for it... Do we expand the pentagon's budget for this year or do we cut...!
The prez's biggest advantage is that we are the world's reserve currency, so to pay for these additional debts we could print more money... or sing que sera sera...
De Boss just arrived at Ft. McNair.... :beermug:
De Boss just arrived at Ft. McNair.... :beermug:
Whey in de US dat is??
appreciate the rundown bakes since i missed the actual speech
bakes, thanks for posting the clip. :beermug:
bakes, thanks for posting the clip. :beermug:
You're welcome :beermug:
As for Obama going to Congress... the US will not declare war on Libya, you can write that down.
Aye Bakes,
thanks for the posting and the legal clarifications. But what is disturbing to me is this rebel force. They are a rag-tag bunch it appears. They only advance after the Nato bomb Ghaddafi heavy weapons. But when tHey forced to stand up and fight, they retreat. Something got to give. They eaither give them some sophisticated weapons to fight or Nato will have to land troops or they get Arab Union troops there to move the Colonel. This incursion has to finish before election campaign starts.
learning a lot in this thread man...thanks
plus it more interesting than studying
bakes, thanks for posting the clip. :beermug:
well, this speech indicates he's backed away from his sentiment that "ghaddafi must go" (paraphrase) but for puzzling reasons. he spends the first part of the speech describing the atrocities of ghaddafi's forces then says something to the effect that de usa can't remove him because "the opposition" didn't ask for this. apparently it is enough to be in the "opposition" (i.e. an enemy of ghaddafi) to be vetted as worthy of calling the shots, forming the next libyan government, etc..
thing is gates and the national intel director figure ghaddafi will eventually win the civil war, even with the no-fly zone. so if the "opposition" comes back in a few weeks saying - you know what, take de muddersoandso out, then what? way too much authority is left in the hands of the "opposition". btw: de "opposition" eh organized at all - not even close to the level of egypt, etc..
another noteworthy point is how de prez conveniently conflates "interests" with "values". he lumps them together as if they are one and the same when they are different. in this case, there is no national interest (as gates has stated repeatedly) but there is a value to be defended. and de value that is being defended - roughly that america is not the type of country to stand by in the face of a massacre. *cough* *congo* *cough*. ah have a feeling that definition of massacre gorn change depending on who getting killed and who doing de killing.
anyway, canada get a pips while congress get blank. it seem like de UN is de new instrument of legitimacy. lets see how de funding situation go work out....
Thanks bakes... ah owe yuh ah Crown Bakery roti and currant roll.... :beermug:
Well look thing I mentioned our dollar as being the world reserve note and golly now china is proposing a change.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_china_g20_dollar
Well look thing I mentioned our dollar as being the world reserve note and golly now china is proposing a change.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_china_g20_dollar
Well look thing I mentioned our dollar as being the world reserve note and golly now china is proposing a change.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_china_g20_dollar
The IMF has been pushing the idea of replacing the US dollar reserve with a basket of currencies and possibly some tangible assets like gold and oil for quite some time. There is strong support in China, France, Russia and few other nations. So expect the dollar to continue a long term trend of devaluation. I have heard that Utah has recently passed legislation to make gold and silver legal tender in that state.
Well look thing I mentioned our dollar as being the world reserve note and golly now china is proposing a change.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_china_g20_dollar
The IMF has been pushing the idea of replacing the US dollar reserve with a basket of currencies and possibly some tangible assets like gold and oil for quite some time. There is strong support in China, France, Russia and few other nations. So expect the dollar to continue a long term trend of devaluation. I have heard that Utah has recently passed legislation to make gold and silver legal tender in that state.
Oil would be a stretch as it go done in the nex few decades
Then again, no wonder why the big boys jockeyin for control of any oil patch dat watch dem bad
ah see susan rice parroting she adminstration reasons forwarkinetic military action on tv this mornin,,everybody on message wit de same mantra...either way now that she shave the moustache, she even hotter....and she was wearin ah pearl necklace 8)
ah have ah weakness for PhD's that does hit the gym
Condi could get it too
Oil would be a stretch as it go done in the nex few decades
Then again, no wonder why the big boys jockeyin for control of any oil patch dat watch dem bad
ah see susan rice parroting she adminstration reasons forwarkinetic military action on tv this mornin,,everybody on message wit de same mantra...either way now that she shave the moustache, she even hotter....and she was wearin ah pearl necklace 8)
ah have ah weakness for PhD's that does hit the gym
Condi could get it too
....and she was wearin ah pearl necklace 8)
ah have ah weakness for PhD's that does hit the gym
Condi could get it too
so de prez authorize secret support for de rebels ....
... meanwhile NATO airstrikes kill 13 of de rebels
two steps forward three steps back ....
In light of the recent revelation that yuh prez signed secret docs allowing the CIA and special forces to be on the ground "weeks ago"
ah go need yuh to keep dat question in yuh back pocket until a later date...ah good all fours player must have a trump card
"Hope"?..me eh hopin for nuttn
Is de 'rebels' on de Hope and Change express...plus Repsol, BP and Exxon Hopin for regime Change
you good obsesses wit yuh yankee oui...i show yuh ah squad ah brits get ketch.
Leh we see how much 'intelligence gatherin' it go take for men to realize that some limers in pick up trucks wit plastic guns in dey waist go have trouble overthrowin mad man dictators
Onr of the issues I have with people crticizing the Pres. for sending CIA people to investigate the oppostion is this. It shows that Ghadaffi did not tolerate any oppostion in any form. They were crushed. Now with the sudden revolt coming in the mid-east, how did any of us know who this oppostion is? Did we know the oppostion in Tunisia? Dis we know the opposition is in Egypt? Do we know any of the oppostion in the Arab world. Vitually next to none.
Another thing is that it is the countries facing Libya on the other side of the Medit. sea who should have all that intelligence. Italy, France and to a lesser extent Spain and Portugal are the one who should have been gathering that sort of intelligence. They are the ones who will be impacting immediately by any fall out. Not the US who are a couple thousand miles away.
dis libya issue really dividing de right. de tea party against it, de old neocons for it.
some general mentioned in testimony to congress that ghadaffi forces outnumber de rebels by about 10 to 1. cyah find de link unfortunately but if it's true this rebel movement have some work to do.
reading and a lil more attentive to the congolese issue. Post bredda!!! :beermug:bakes, thanks for posting the clip. :beermug:
well, this speech indicates he's backed away from his sentiment that "ghaddafi must go" (paraphrase) but for puzzling reasons. he spends the first part of the speech describing the atrocities of ghaddafi's forces then says something to the effect that de usa can't remove him because "the opposition" didn't ask for this. apparently it is enough to be in the "opposition" (i.e. an enemy of ghaddafi) to be vetted as worthy of calling the shots, forming the next libyan government, etc..
thing is gates and the national intel director figure ghaddafi will eventually win the civil war, even with the no-fly zone. so if the "opposition" comes back in a few weeks saying - you know what, take de muddersoandso out, then what? way too much authority is left in the hands of the "opposition". btw: de "opposition" eh organized at all - not even close to the level of egypt, etc..
another noteworthy point is how de prez conveniently conflates "interests" with "values". he lumps them together as if they are one and the same when they are different. in this case, there is no national interest (as gates has stated repeatedly) but there is a value to be defended. and de value that is being defended - roughly that america is not the type of country to stand by in the face of a massacre. *cough* *congo* *cough*. ah have a feeling that definition of massacre gorn change depending on who getting killed and who doing de killing.
anyway, canada get a pips while congress get blank. it seem like de UN is de new instrument of legitimacy. lets see how de funding situation go work out....
Generally, well said...
ah hear de libyan rebel military commander was killed. dis war cyah done :-\
ah hear de libyan rebel military commander was killed. dis war cyah done :-\
ah hear de libyan rebel military commander was killed. dis war cyah done :-\
possibly by his own troops. he wasnt very well liked, from what i heard on cnn international.
The difficulty involved in serving two differing masters simultaneously is well-accounted. The accounting involved in serving two differing masters consecutively is difficult.
The difficulty involved in serving two differing masters simultaneously is well-accounted. The accounting involved in serving two differing masters consecutively is difficult.
dayam!! ah had to read this 3 times and still had to climb up and jump to ketch it
ah hear de libyan rebel military commander was killed. dis war cyah done :-\
possibly by his own troops. he wasnt very well liked, from what i heard on cnn international.
Just reading in the Washington Post that he was Ghaddaffi's top enforcer against dissidents for years, and that he was being summoned to rebel headquarters to answer to something or the other, but the escort patrol they send was from a rival tribe and they wipe him out and gone on de run instead.
It look like they get setup.
The same man who they say they capture, on tv giving tours to journalists.
Heavy fighting in Tripoli now.
The journalists in the Rexos hotel are a bargaining chip in case things go awry.
The crowning of Libya asAfrican NationsCHAN Champions by beating Ghana on the first occasion the country has managed to win a major trophy in the international arena, boosts Libya’s hopes in the sport, but not only, at a time when it is most needed so close to the third anniversary of the February 17, 2011 Revolution and with the country still trying to find its feet in the world.
http://www.tripolipost.com/articledetail.asp?c=3&i=10932
... and after all that drama, there's NOTHING to unify like football.[/quote]
http://www.tripolipost.com/articledetail.asp?c=3&i=10932
With the 2 Libyan Prime Ministers and utter chaos (no security, police force etc); Crazy-men about to overrun Iraq...even looking back to scenes like the Iran contra...I am 100% convinced that it is fundamental US policy (regardless of president) to destabilize wherever possible every country in the world (with the exception of Israel, UK, Canada...a select few white nations).
With the 2 Libyan Prime Ministers and utter chaos (no security, police force etc); Crazy-men about to overrun Iraq...even looking back to scenes like the Iran contra...I am 100% convinced that it is fundamental US policy (regardless of president) to destabilize wherever possible every country in the world (with the exception of Israel, UK, Canada...a select few white nations).