hahahahah Looks like Sepp done bribe Blazer and the vote was supposed to go to Blatter. Jack turn around and say I going with the higghest bidder and Chuck side with Blatter...what a tangled web we weave! Concacaf doh have de unity it once had it look like. How did Blazer get info from a CFU meeting? Unless someone on de inside pass it???
Window dressing tra la la tra la ley. This is pure rubbish by FIFA to take away scrutiny.
The FIFA Ethics committee has no power to conduct a proper investigation. They cannot go
into a country & demand to see bank account activities, etc etc.
Watch, they will find no wrong doing. Maybe just maybe, Bin Hammam will be discredited only because
he is the opposition to Blatter.
Joke ting this!
ah wonder what Jack will do with Blazer after he is cleared of all wrong doing
ah wonder what Jack will do with Blazer after he is cleared of all wrong doing
steupsssssssssssss call me when Jack Warner gets charged. everyweek is one article after the other. no difference.
In the words of the great Basdeo Panday, "Wake me when its over......"
I know we all want Warner to go down for his currupted ways...but something about this one seems fishy to me :-\
Big Up!
I know we all want Warner to go down for his currupted ways...but something about this one seems fishy to me :-\
Big Up!
I know we all want Warner to go down for his currupted ways...but something about this one seems fishy to me :-\
Big Up!
Al Capone went down 4 tax evasion. 4give me but howevr, he go down I go b happy like pappy. Eh expectin it from this but he have 2 fall.
I know we all want Warner to go down for his currupted ways...but something about this one seems fishy to me :-\
Big Up!
Al Capone went down 4 tax evasion. 4give me but howevr, he go down I go b happy like pappy. Eh expectin it from this but he have 2 fall.
I want him to fall for the ish he do to T&T football, (if this helps, so be it) but this is not stopping the ish going on in FIFA, it just adds to it because it seems that they are only looking out for themselves and not really concerned about curruption. Don't you find it stange that Blatter is quick to lay charges on his main rival for elections, but did nothing to Warner in 2006 and all the countless other times he was accused of wrongdoings?
Big Up!
I know we all want Warner to go down for his currupted ways...but something about this one seems fishy to me :-\
Big Up!
Yeah, what fishy is that all ah sudden they finding charges to bring against Bin Hammam. Like Observer say, this is nothing but dirty politicks... once election over and Sepp back in office everything will return to normal.
I had a mind something was up... the other day Jack say Concacaf voting as a block and Sunil Gulati come out and say he don't know nothing bout that and USSF will be voting for whoever dey want...
and now look how Blazer just roll Jack under the bus... wow...
Joke thing or not, its still embarrassing for T&T to have their "most popular and most efficient" politician and, at times, acting Prime Minister involved in two corruption allegations in one month that are both international news items.
Say what you want about the mans honesty, it don't look good if you're Trini.
You can only go on for so long............. ask any crook...cheat...smart-man..con-artist...thief
Suppose Blazer and Jack had a disagreement on who to support? Chuck wanted Blatter and Warner saying Hammam? Just suppose that Blatter and Blazer made a deal to hand Jack's position to Blazer for his support in bringing down Jack and Hmmam in one fell swoop as the word is that jack taking Concacaf votes to Hammam's side?
Doh doubt what I said as a very sound possibility!
Help mih out somebody. Ent Bin Hammam is head of the Asia Football Federation (or whatever other name they are called)?? Ent dem (AFF) control areas like Qatar??
Suppose Blazer and Jack had a disagreement on who to support? Chuck wanted Blatter and Warner saying Hammam? Just suppose that Blatter and Blazer made a deal to hand Jack's position to Blazer for his support in bringing down Jack and Hmmam in one fell swoop as the word is that jack taking Concacaf votes to Hammam's side?
Doh doubt what I said as a very sound possibility!
I feel is dat self. My hope is dat dis trigger a nice storm dat cause something to happen.
Will Jack fall down and lose his crown and Bin come tumbling after ? Hardly...
Email adds pressure to Warner
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/13559384.stm
The more I read about this ethics committee, its sounds like ah fraternity of fellas sitting around ah room and toasting Johnny Black....
So lemme get dis right,JW ask dem cheapskates to fix up Haiti wid some big screens and dishes to see the WC 2010 and they want to put a charge pon im fuh bribery.Dem have so much money and they refuse dat?
Dey should charge dem bastards instead for flouting "Human Rights" laws.
The more I read about this ethics committee, its sounds like ah fraternity of fellas sitting around ah room and toasting Johnny Black....:beermug:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZY3C5Pkx7s&feature=player_embedded
The more I read about this ethics committee, its sounds like ah fraternity of fellas sitting around ah room and toasting Johnny Black....
Don't Sweat, nutten eh happening. Bin Hammam dead in the water, set up a long time ago by Blazer, Jack and Blatter.
Meeting set up on purpose May 12. reported to ethics committee May25, election around the corner.
Meeting investigated by committee. Jack will testify he was offered abribeassistance. Bin get hammered!
Football supporter,
De lil bit ah news I see on BBC to-nite didn't give all the info that you got.I do not read theEnglish papers no more coz they are a bit too sensational especially when they getting their claws into people they feel have got too big,ah black man at that from ah lil dot in de Caribbean.
Ah feeling like dis is it here fellahs..
Blatter and now Blazer gone against, if Jack wiggle he way out of this one he is ah boss yes.
Interesting stuff there Trinity. So it appears that Jack had control of the Haitian TV rights and the US$1.6 million he requested from the English would go to concacaf....maybe. But even if the money did go to concacaf, he still misled the FA as there was no other owner of the rights.
Reading Dreamers post you realise just how dirty this is getting. Its like a real nasty divorce! What worries me is that how are the ethics committee going to remain impartial?
Ah feeling like dis is it here fellahs..
Blatter and now Blazer gone against, if Jack wiggle he way out of this one he is ah boss yes.
Ah feeling like dis is it here fellahs..
Blatter and now Blazer gone against, if Jack wiggle he way out of this one he is ah boss yes.
Dinho boy, is long time we eh agree on something.......but yuh take de words right off mih key board dey boss.....Sunday May 29th will be interesting indeed!!!.....
and here i thought iz only woman could start bacchanal...dem fellas redefining d word...
iz it d white man who dont want d black man for the ruler of the FIFA empire
or
is it as Controversial say...ah drink of Johnny Blue among friends at the end of the "so called ethics"committee meeting....
Stay tuned........ coming to ah theatre near you!!
This is shaping up like the end of a Quentin Tarantino flick where all the characters find themselves in a Mexican Standoff and everyone ends up shooting each other. FIFA.com is streaming a live press conference after the Ethics Committee meets.
Ah feeling like dis is it here fellahs..
Blatter and now Blazer gone against, if Jack wiggle he way out of this one he is ah boss yes.
Dinho boy, is long time we eh agree on something.......but yuh take de words right off mih key board dey boss.....Sunday May 29th will be interesting indeed!!!.....
are you serious?
like yuh shocked soldier... ;D
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p1/triniBourbon/testvn.jpg);D ;D
What i like about this is no one here have any sympathy for Jack,he continues to be pressured by all and sundry,by now you all should realize is not only Jack corrupted and unfaithful to various organizations and countries,this the organization he is in and it's how and what they are about,you can't be clean and belong to FIFA it's part of their genes it's what they do,it's how they wheel and deal,it's about themselves,every single one of them have skeleton in their closet,you all see now why i always try to put in a good word for Jack,regardless to how we feel we benefitted from his corruption.Why???
We have nothing to be shamed about because we are the smallest country involved and it have bigger fish to fry/go down with us,imagine Rowley jumping on the banwaggon they use it for election now he using to give the opposition some pips,i never thought Football would be so important in this country wonders never sease.
My only wish is that he can come through this as he always does with everything else.
What i like about this is no one here have any sympathy for Jack,he continues to be pressured by all and sundry,by now you all should realize is not only Jack corrupted and unfaithful to various organizations and countries,this the organization he is in and it's how and what they are about,you can't be clean and belong to FIFA it's part of their genes it's what they do,it's how they wheel and deal,it's about themselves,every single one of them have skeleton in their closet,you all see now why i always try to put in a good word for Jack,regardless to how we feel we benefitted from his corruption.come through removed from FIFA and focus on being a decent MOWT! build roads man build roads nice ones too from toco to icacosand from central to galeota! spread throught the country so we stop trying to fit everybody up in the NE peninsula!
We have nothing to be shamed about because we are the smallest country involved and it have bigger fish to fry/go down with us,imagine Rowley jumping on the banwaggon they use it for election now he using to give the opposition some pips,i never thought Football would be so important in this country wonders never sease.
My only wish is that he can come through this as he always does with everything else.
I hope Jack fall so deep he meet he maker - SATAN....
I hope Jack fall so deep he meet he maker - SATAN....
What i like about this is no one here have any sympathy for Jack,he continues to be pressured by all and sundry,by now you all should realize is not only Jack corrupted and unfaithful to various organizations and countries,this the organization he is in and it's how and what they are about,you can't be clean and belong to FIFA it's part of their genes it's what they do,it's how they wheel and deal,it's about themselves,every single one of them have skeleton in their closet,you all see now why i always try to put in a good word for Jack,regardless to how we feel we benefitted from his corruption.
We have nothing to be shamed about because we are the smallest country involved and it have bigger fish to fry/go down with us,imagine Rowley jumping on the banwaggon they use it for election now he using to give the opposition some pips,i never thought Football would be so important in this country wonders never sease.
My only wish is that he can come through this as he always does with everything else.
What i like about this is no one here have any sympathy for Jack,
Added to the fact that he is not his bullish self in resposne to these allegations. He keeping relatively quiet when yuh consider that even after getting caught dead to rights with “Ticket or Leave It” he does deny it with venom.
I feel something ain't right.All this investigations all of a sudden.Something fishy about all this.Something playing that we not seeing.One thing ah could tell you is Jack ain't no foolish man when coming to tiefing and corruption.He will NEVER leave a paper trail.Blatter and Blazer against Jack? ah setta smokescreen they blowing up we a$$ and the British are the biggest takers.
Whether it happens this weekend or not, they will take him down. He and Gaddafi in d same boat.
I feel something ain't right.All this investigations all of a sudden.Something fishy about all this.Something playing that we not seeing.One thing ah could tell you is Jack ain't no foolish man when coming to tiefing and corruption.He will NEVER leave a paper trail.Blatter and Blazer against Jack? ah setta smokescreen they blowing up we a$$ and the British are the biggest takers.
Jack made a mistake when he lied to England about the 2018 bid...they do not forgive and forget. Whether it happens this weekend or not, they will take him down. He and Gaddafi in d same boat.
I feel something ain't right.All this investigations all of a sudden.Something fishy about all this.Something playing that we not seeing.One thing ah could tell you is Jack ain't no foolish man when coming to tiefing and corruption.He will NEVER leave a paper trail.Blatter and Blazer against Jack? ah setta smokescreen they blowing up we a$$ and the British are the biggest takers.
Jack made a mistake when he lied to England about the 2018 bid...they do not forgive and forget. Whether it happens this weekend or not, they will take him down. He and Gaddafi in d same boat.
But Jack has a point! England only got 2 votes! One from their own man and one from somewhere else...JUST ONE..why is it he is held as the blame?
I feel something ain't right.All this investigations all of a sudden.Something fishy about all this.Something playing that we not seeing.One thing ah could tell you is Jack ain't no foolish man when coming to tiefing and corruption.He will NEVER leave a paper trail.Blatter and Blazer against Jack? ah setta smokescreen they blowing up we a$$ and the British are the biggest takers.
Jack made a mistake when he lied to England about the 2018 bid...they do not forgive and forget. Whether it happens this weekend or not, they will take him down. He and Gaddafi in d same boat.
But Jack has a point! England only got 2 votes! One from their own man and one from somewhere else...JUST ONE..why is it he is held as the blame?
Because he said he would vote for them and he didnt. He lied to a lot of important people. He took their 'incentives' (i.e. - England friendly in TnT) and then didnt even give them a single vote. You can't tell the Prince, "You have my vote" a day before and then go back on that, that is blatant disrespect. Had he kept his word and voted for them (doh mind they woulda lost anyway) he would not have been targeted as the scapegoat.
I feel something ain't right.All this investigations all of a sudden.Something fishy about all this.Something playing that we not seeing.One thing ah could tell you is Jack ain't no foolish man when coming to tiefing and corruption.He will NEVER leave a paper trail.Blatter and Blazer against Jack? ah setta smokescreen they blowing up we a$$ and the British are the biggest takers.
Jack made a mistake when he lied to England about the 2018 bid...they do not forgive and forget. Whether it happens this weekend or not, they will take him down. He and Gaddafi in d same boat.
But Jack has a point! England only got 2 votes! One from their own man and one from somewhere else...JUST ONE..why is it he is held as the blame?
Because he said he would vote for them and he didnt. He lied to a lot of important people. He took their 'incentives' (i.e. - England friendly in TnT) and then didnt even give them a single vote. You can't tell the Prince, "You have my vote" a day before and then go back on that, that is blatant disrespect. Had he kept his word and voted for them (doh mind they woulda lost anyway) he would not have been targeted as the scapegoat.
Try explaining that to Coop's! Lack of principle is the main issue the English have with Jack!!
Don't court them for favours and then break your promise to them and then point to others and say I'm not the only one who did not vote for you because your bid was weak.
Jack accustomed misleading people cool cool cool! He did the same thing to our 2006 World Cup players when he promised them the 50% bonus and then went back on his promise!!
The English will do their best to hang Jack & FIFA and in the end will do us all a big favour!!
As for England controlling their lapdogs, this may come as a surprise, Ryan, but the UK enjoys something called a free press. It is not controlled by govt. However, I will admit that newspaper owners have a certain biase. But this is widely known, so you buy the paper that has your political views. .
They can't hang my Jack...Warner off to Zurich to answer bribery charges
By Anna Ramdass (T&T Express)
"I am in FIFA for 29 consecutive years, I was the first black man to have ever been in FIFA at this level. I have come from the smallest country ever to be on the FIFA executive committee. There is no country smaller than Trinidad and Tobago on FIFA's executive committee. I am wielding more power in FIFA now than sometimes even the president, I must be the envy of others.
"In terms of football history my country does not even have one and therefore there are people out there who would ask why should I be there and what is my role, so I become the butt of all kinds of attacks and I accept this without any kind of anger because I understand people, this is the nature of human beings," he said.
Genuflec' tuh yuh Daddy ...You feel is a little boy you talking too,i and Jack about the same age,we does hangout and lime together,what jump you talking about,my days done doh worry about me,i'm retired just having fun,it hurting you they can't catch him?i'm sorry son. :devil:
Ah have a question? When Jackula tell yuh jump, how high yuh does aim ....
Breaking: Mohammed bin Hammam has withdrawn from the #Fifa presidential vote:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: The boss at work,they only hear Tsunami they start running for cover,who corupt tell me,the man have nothing to fear,accusation after accusation year after year,tell England and the US to come better than that,T&T may host a WC before they do.
Bin Hammam: Recent events have left me hurt and disappointed. I will not put my personal ambition ahead of Fifa’s dignity and integrity.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: The boss at work,they only hear Tsunami they start running for cover,who corupt tell me,the man have nothing to fear,accusation after accusation year after year,tell England and the US to come better than that,T&T may host a WC before they do.
But didn't he accuse Blatter?why doesn't he continue to run for president?:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: The boss at work,they only hear Tsunami they start running for cover,who corupt tell me,the man have nothing to fear,accusation after accusation year after year,tell England and the US to come better than that,T&T may host a WC before they do.
How in Bin Hammam "running for cover"? He was accused alongside Jack, he wasn't the one accusing Jack. If he running for cover then it's from Blatter. Come Coop's, ah expect better than that.
As for Bin Hammam himself... dem really feel people dotish or what? How is him pulling out going to prevent the "dragging of FIFA's name thru the mud"?? This doesn't end the corruption inquiry... that (among many other things) is what's undermining FIFA and dragging its name down. More likely is he decide to pull out in order to prevent the Qatar award for 2022 from being rescinded.
But didn't he accuse Blatter?why doesn't he continue to run for president?
Breaking: Mohammed bin Hammam has withdrawn from the #Fifa presidential vote:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: The boss at work,they only hear Tsunami they start running for cover,who corupt tell me,the man have nothing to fear,accusation after accusation year after year,tell England and the US to come better than that,T&T may host a WC before they do.
Bin Hammam: Recent events have left me hurt and disappointed. I will not put my personal ambition ahead of Fifas dignity and integrity.
If something is alledged what is there to explain,if you all want to take everything and run with it fine,that's not me,i don't get into anything i know nothing about,any how i'll talk to Jack when he gets back and get mih facts.Breaking: Mohammed bin Hammam has withdrawn from the #Fifa presidential vote:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: The boss at work,they only hear Tsunami they start running for cover,who corupt tell me,the man have nothing to fear,accusation after accusation year after year,tell England and the US to come better than that,T&T may host a WC before they do.
Bin Hammam: Recent events have left me hurt and disappointed. I will not put my personal ambition ahead of Fifa’s dignity and integrity.
Just interested on your view about Warners alleged email asking for US$1.6 million to buy the Haitian TV rights that FIFA have said did not exist? Instead of backing Jack, give us your opinion. Its Jacks actual email we're talking about here. How do you explain that?
If something is alledged what is there to explain,if you all want to take everything and run with it fine,that's not me,i don't get into anything i know nothing about,any how i'll talk to Jack when he gets back and get mih facts.
...all sound and fury signifying nothing.
...all sound and fury signifying nothing.
I beg to differ..this is big. Jack overplayed his hand....he promised England, went against England, promised the US did not do his part as promised, he promised Blatter went for a bigger pay day and was supporting Hammam..now he is up the proverbial creek without the paddle, beginning of the end, and he knows it too.
Word is he was talking to CFU officials but Blazer ahd already made contact and made certain assurances.
...all sound and fury signifying nothing.
I beg to differ..this is big. Jack overplayed his hand....he promised England, went against England, promised the US did not do his part as promised, he promised Blatter went for a bigger pay day and was supporting Hammam..now he is up the proverbial creek without the paddle, beginning of the end, and he knows it too.
Word is he was talking to CFU officials but Blazer ahd already made contact and made certain assurances.
...all sound and fury signifying nothing.
I beg to differ..this is big. Jack overplayed his hand....he promised England, went against England, promised the US did not do his part as promised, he promised Blatter went for a bigger pay day and was supporting Hammam..now he is up the proverbial creek without the paddle, beginning of the end, and he knows it too.
Word is he was talking to CFU officials but Blazer ahd already made contact and made certain assurances.
The allegations might be big but the suspension is not. FACT is that this is a "provisional" suspension... as it stands the Ethics committee has yet to even investigate the charges. They have been suspended pending that investigation. Whatever fantasies folks want to indulge in at this point they are free to do, but all of this celebrating that taking place in folks minds is premature. Until these charges stick I will maintain that all of this doesn't amount to a hill of beans. If you want to start hailing this as the beginning of the end then that is your choice... call me a pessimist.
...all sound and fury signifying nothing.
I beg to differ..this is big. Jack overplayed his hand....he promised England, went against England, promised the US did not do his part as promised, he promised Blatter went for a bigger pay day and was supporting Hammam..now he is up the proverbial creek without the paddle, beginning of the end, and he knows it too.
Word is he was talking to CFU officials but Blazer ahd already made contact and made certain assurances.
The allegations might be big but the suspension is not. FACT is that this is a "provisional" suspension... as it stands the Ethics committee has yet to even investigate the charges. They have been suspended pending that investigation. Whatever fantasies folks want to indulge in at this point they are free to do, but all of this celebrating that taking place in folks minds is premature. Until these charges stick I will maintain that all of this doesn't amount to a hill of beans. If you want to start hailing this as the beginning of the end then that is your choice... call me a pessimist.
To which Jerome replied to me and I quote :
"For MBH, I never understood why he was running. If really he thought he had a chance or just being an extreme way to express how much he does not like anymore JSB. Or he thought you can buy FIFA as they bought the WC.
To which Jerome replied to me and I quote :
"For MBH, I never understood why he was running. If really he thought he had a chance or just being an extreme way to express how much he does not like anymore JSB. Or he thought you can buy FIFA as they bought the WC.
Boom Bang. Jack is gonna f**k everybody up :challenge:
To which Jerome replied to me and I quote :
"For MBH, I never understood why he was running. If really he thought he had a chance or just being an extreme way to express how much he does not like anymore JSB. Or he thought you can buy FIFA as they bought the WC.
Boom Bang. Jack is gonna f**k everybody up :challenge:
Some ah allyuh here believe Jack is some kinda superhero.. Dis time dey go make ah example of somebody, and ah bet Jack go be de fall guy
Chuck blazer taking all the credit for everything that took place but for those who don't know it seem to me that one of our own was behind all of this as well ...
TTFF never made it to the top but they surely made it to the top corruption. What a shame.
I want $15,0000,000 (USD) too. what about the rest on here?
As Tallman would say " Trinis in action"
Chuck blazer taking all the credit for everything that took place but for those who don't know it seem to me that one of our own was behind all of this as well ...
TTFF never made it to the top but they surely made it to the top corruption. What a shame.
I want $15,0000,000 (USD) too. what about the rest on here?
As Tallman would say " Trinis in action"
yea one of dem islands sold Jack out !!!!!!!!! bcuz Blazer wasn't at the meetng.
Chuck blazer taking all the credit for everything that took place but for those who don't know it seem to me that one of our own was behind all of this as well ...
TTFF never made it to the top but they surely made it to the top corruption. What a shame.
I want $15,0000,000 (USD) too. what about the rest on here?
As Tallman would say " Trinis in action"
yea one of dem islands sold Jack out !!!!!!!!! bcuz Blazer wasn't at the meetng.
Forget Puerto Rico it's much deeper than thatChuck blazer taking all the credit for everything that took place but for those who don't know it seem to me that one of our own was behind all of this as well ...
TTFF never made it to the top but they surely made it to the top corruption. What a shame.
I want $15,0000,000 (USD) too. what about the rest on here?
As Tallman would say " Trinis in action"
yea one of dem islands sold Jack out !!!!!!!!! bcuz Blazer wasn't at the meetng.
Puerto Rico, the island which is controlled by the USA, yuh aware that they are an American colony right! ;)
Forget Puerto Rico it's much deeper than thatChuck blazer taking all the credit for everything that took place but for those who don't know it seem to me that one of our own was behind all of this as well ...
TTFF never made it to the top but they surely made it to the top corruption. What a shame.
I want $15,0000,000 (USD) too. what about the rest on here?
As Tallman would say " Trinis in action"
yea one of dem islands sold Jack out !!!!!!!!! bcuz Blazer wasn't at the meetng.
Puerto Rico, the island which is controlled by the USA, yuh aware that they are an American colony right! ;)
Ah find tis in ah blog....
A BREACH OF TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO LAWS?
Did the CONCACAF officials who gathered here for that meeting with Messrs Warner and Bin Hammam break our currency laws and customs laws?
When I fill out the cutoms declaration form it demands that I declare any sum of money above $10,000 tt,(or some figure near to that, subject to correction) in whatever instruments (cash, check, draft, money order etc) .
If people are travelling in and out of Trinidad and Tobago with the quantum of money mentioned in the article (40k USD) without making a declaration or even making a false declaration, then they would have broken the law.
But the statement of T&T having no football history is what should, quite frankly, piss off most people in the country.
But the statement of T&T having no football history is what should, quite frankly, piss off most people in the country.
Talk about majoring in minors...
Jack does have a problem in defending himself? Remember the Lasana rantings, well he ranting again,where's de tsunami? the international media laughing at him and calling it a thunderstorm.Now he even incriminating the man who was charged with him saying they bought the world cup.Jack does look like a mad man when he trying to defend himself,puling at anything he could get his hands on.No plan,no strategy, no thinking !!!!!!
Jack does have a problem in defending himself? Remember the Lasana rantings, well he ranting again,where's de tsunami? the international media laughing at him and calling it a thunderstorm.Now he even incriminating the man who was charged with him saying they bought the world cup.Jack does look like a mad man when he trying to defend himself,puling at anything he could get his hands on.No plan,no strategy, no thinking !!!!!!
for real dutty..he aint calculated at all...why is he bringing out more dirty laundry like this now..he implicating heself more ....from my understanding dem fellas yesterday in d FIFA press conference was defending him...now he really looking like ah desperate man...
He try tuh goe behind d godfather and now he get ban....no more free ride...
he didnt realize that he was a small man from a 3rd world nation being used to get votes....in exchange for being able to hang with d big boys...
now it look like he goe be on d breadline....losing both positions.....
well he make nuff bread already
He texted Sealey saying "a lot of the boys taking the cash, this is sad given the breaking news on the TV CNN... I'm truly surprise its happening at this conference" [sic].
3.49pm:Here is a pic of the $40,000 cash that sparked the #FIFA bribery claims.
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2011/5/30/1306767045400/Undated-handout-photo-sho-004.jpg)
lol
5.54pm: The Guardian's Matt Scott just been disallowed from asking a question to Blatter by Blatter
too much pressha
If this eh convince yuh that JW corrupted then you just bad mind. Maybe is not enough to convict, but anyone with an iota of moral fibre in their being must see that they are corrupted. Look at how the Bahamas come out and out them. Is JW who organize that orgy at the Hyatt you telling me he eh know what going down? He must ask what gifts being handed out, you forgetting how he get on for the necklace from the Aussie and how he say the Hooligans and them eh know how to give gifts.
The USA will take over CONCACAF and T&T will struggle from now on. Them players better had and start signing up with FPATT.
I kinda disappointed jack is not really "ah borse" as diamondtrim does say
Jack does have a problem in defending himself? Remember the Lasana rantings, well he ranting again,where's de tsunami? the international media laughing at him and calling it a thunderstorm.Now he even incriminating the man who was charged with him saying they bought the world cup.Jack does look like a mad man when he trying to defend himself,puling at anything he could get his hands on.No plan,no strategy, no thinking !!!!!!
Here is the beginning of the first wave:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/may/30/fifa-in-crisis-live-blog
I'm just going to grab my popcorn and enjoy the show. This is going to better than 4th of July and Chinese New Year combined.
With Valcke admitting the authenticity of the email Jack released, a few of things emerge. First, if Valcke knew of improprieties surrounding the Qatar bid, he had a duty to report it to the Ethics Committee. Since he didn't, he could be suspended and charged. Second, this creates the very real possibility that Qatar will lose the 2022 World Cup. My prediction is that Australia will get it instead of the US. Third and most important, Blatter is done. Once more allegations come forward, adidas and other major FIFA sponsors won't be able to take the heat and risk worldwide boycotts of their products. They will ask that he step down and Platini will be the interim president. The question will be; how will T&T, specifically its football, come out of this whole affair?
so who is going to take charge of Concacaf? The Asians already appoint ah Chinese.Gold Cup coming up.Will the Caribbean islands allow a North American to run things?
Jack does have a problem in defending himself? Remember the Lasana rantings, well he ranting again,where's de tsunami? the international media laughing at him and calling it a thunderstorm.Now he even incriminating the man who was charged with him saying they bought the world cup.Jack does look like a mad man when he trying to defend himself,puling at anything he could get his hands on.No plan,no strategy, no thinking !!!!!!
Here is the beginning of the first wave:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/may/30/fifa-in-crisis-live-blog
I'm just going to grab my popcorn and enjoy the show. This is going to better than 4th of July and Chinese New Year combined.
With Valcke admitting the authenticity of the email Jack released, a few of things emerge. First, if Valcke knew of improprieties surrounding the Qatar bid, he had a duty to report it to the Ethics Committee. Since he didn't, he could be suspended and charged. Second, this creates the very real possibility that Qatar will lose the 2022 World Cup. My prediction is that Australia will get it instead of the US. Third and most important, Blatter is done. Once more allegations come forward, adidas and other major FIFA sponsors won't be able to take the heat and risk worldwide boycotts of their products. They will ask that he step down and Platini will be the interim president. The question will be; how will T&T, specifically its football, come out of this whole affair?
Better off, trust me on that!! :beermug:
Jack does have a problem in defending himself? Remember the Lasana rantings, well he ranting again,where's de tsunami? the international media laughing at him and calling it a thunderstorm.Now he even incriminating the man who was charged with him saying they bought the world cup.Jack does look like a mad man when he trying to defend himself,puling at anything he could get his hands on.No plan,no strategy, no thinking !!!!!!
Here is the beginning of the first wave:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/may/30/fifa-in-crisis-live-blog
I'm just going to grab my popcorn and enjoy the show. This is going to better than 4th of July and Chinese New Year combined.
With Valcke admitting the authenticity of the email Jack released, a few of things emerge. First, if Valcke knew of improprieties surrounding the Qatar bid, he had a duty to report it to the Ethics Committee. Since he didn't, he could be suspended and charged. Second, this creates the very real possibility that Qatar will lose the 2022 World Cup. My prediction is that Australia will get it instead of the US. Third and most important, Blatter is done. Once more allegations come forward, adidas and other major FIFA sponsors won't be able to take the heat and risk worldwide boycotts of their products. They will ask that he step down and Platini will be the interim president. The question will be; how will T&T, specifically its football, come out of this whole affair?
Better off, trust me on that!! :beermug:
i disagree with that, it affects us negatively as well, TT football will suffer as well, people are not looking at the bigger picture. TT will be branded as well in a negative light. >:(
Whey he?? I surprised he eh come and declare that Jack is ah boss as yet...steups!!
And Coop's, yuh talk to Jack yet?? He tell yuh how he keeping on the teflon jacket this time?? Don't keep mih in suspense nah......ah running low on popcorn....
Jack does have a problem in defending himself? Remember the Lasana rantings, well he ranting again,where's de tsunami? the international media laughing at him and calling it a thunderstorm.Now he even incriminating the man who was charged with him saying they bought the world cup.Jack does look like a mad man when he trying to defend himself,puling at anything he could get his hands on.No plan,no strategy, no thinking !!!!!!
Here is the beginning of the first wave:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/may/30/fifa-in-crisis-live-blog
I'm just going to grab my popcorn and enjoy the show. This is going to better than 4th of July and Chinese New Year combined.
With Valcke admitting the authenticity of the email Jack released, a few of things emerge. First, if Valcke knew of improprieties surrounding the Qatar bid, he had a duty to report it to the Ethics Committee. Since he didn't, he could be suspended and charged. Second, this creates the very real possibility that Qatar will lose the 2022 World Cup. My prediction is that Australia will get it instead of the US. Third and most important, Blatter is done. Once more allegations come forward, adidas and other major FIFA sponsors won't be able to take the heat and risk worldwide boycotts of their products. They will ask that he step down and Platini will be the interim president. The question will be; how will T&T, specifically its football, come out of this whole affair?
Better off, trust me on that!! :beermug:
i disagree with that, it affects us negatively as well, TT football will suffer as well, people are not looking at the bigger picture. TT will be branded as well in a negative light. >:(
Hmm, in less than 2 months Americans get rid of Bin Laden, Bin Hammam and Bin Teefin
Hmm, in less than 2 months Americans get rid of Bin Laden, Bin Hammam and Bin Teefin
Jack does have a problem in defending himself? Remember the Lasana rantings, well he ranting again,where's de tsunami? the international media laughing at him and calling it a thunderstorm.Now he even incriminating the man who was charged with him saying they bought the world cup.Jack does look like a mad man when he trying to defend himself,puling at anything he could get his hands on.No plan,no strategy, no thinking !!!!!!
Here is the beginning of the first wave:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/may/30/fifa-in-crisis-live-blog
I'm just going to grab my popcorn and enjoy the show. This is going to better than 4th of July and Chinese New Year combined.
With Valcke admitting the authenticity of the email Jack released, a few of things emerge. First, if Valcke knew of improprieties surrounding the Qatar bid, he had a duty to report it to the Ethics Committee. Since he didn't, he could be suspended and charged. Second, this creates the very real possibility that Qatar will lose the 2022 World Cup. My prediction is that Australia will get it instead of the US. Third and most important, Blatter is done. Once more allegations come forward, adidas and other major FIFA sponsors won't be able to take the heat and risk worldwide boycotts of their products. They will ask that he step down and Platini will be the interim president. The question will be; how will T&T, specifically its football, come out of this whole affair?
Better off, trust me on that!! :beermug:
i disagree with that, it affects us negatively as well, TT football will suffer as well, people are not looking at the bigger picture. TT will be branded as well in a negative light. >:(
It will definitely paint us in a negative light to outsiders. Especially seeing that Jack is/was acting PM of Trinidad and Tobago. Plus this is not even started yet, there is still the possibility that Jack will hang on and remain a strong influence on the local game for a long time to come.
And even if he goes there will be a BIG leadership vaccum and infighting that will hobble our game in the short term. Some of the incompetent, spineless worms who towed Jack's line without a peep will be emboldened to assert themselves in a bid for power.
But IMO would be an overall positive thing to have the Trinidad and Tobago football establishment shaken to the core. The soca warriors did their part, the foreigners press did their part. It will come down to us the citizens of T&T to make sure we don't put up with the nonsense anymore.
Hmm, in less than 2 months Americans get rid of Bin Laden, Bin Hammam and Bin Teefin
The question was: How will T&T, specifically its football, come out of this whole affair?
Do you guys honestly believe our football could be any worst off than it currently is?
I doubt that very much! Things can only get better, trust me!!
We wanted positive change in the TTFF and hopefully we will get it after this sordid affair plays out and especially if the players stick to their guns and the TTFF is forced to open its books!
With Jackula’s sources of brown envelopes drying up because he is suspended from all football related activity, he will finally be staked in the heart and be forced to remove his fangs from our football!
T&T football will hopefully be finally able to rise from the dead and make a place for itself regularly on the world football stage.
My conclusion is that we can only be better off!!
Jack does have a problem in defending himself? Remember the Lasana rantings, well he ranting again,where's de tsunami? the international media laughing at him and calling it a thunderstorm.Now he even incriminating the man who was charged with him saying they bought the world cup.Jack does look like a mad man when he trying to defend himself,puling at anything he could get his hands on.No plan,no strategy, no thinking !!!!!!
Here is the beginning of the first wave:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/may/30/fifa-in-crisis-live-blog
I'm just going to grab my popcorn and enjoy the show. This is going to better than 4th of July and Chinese New Year combined.
With Valcke admitting the authenticity of the email Jack released, a few of things emerge. First, if Valcke knew of improprieties surrounding the Qatar bid, he had a duty to report it to the Ethics Committee. Since he didn't, he could be suspended and charged. Second, this creates the very real possibility that Qatar will lose the 2022 World Cup. My prediction is that Australia will get it instead of the US. Third and most important, Blatter is done. Once more allegations come forward, adidas and other major FIFA sponsors won't be able to take the heat and risk worldwide boycotts of their products. They will ask that he step down and Platini will be the interim president. The question will be; how will T&T, specifically its football, come out of this whole affair?
Better off, trust me on that!! :beermug:
i disagree with that, it affects us negatively as well, TT football will suffer as well, people are not looking at the bigger picture. TT will be branded as well in a negative light. >:(
It will definitely paint us in a negative light to outsiders. Especially seeing that Jack is/was acting PM of Trinidad and Tobago. Plus this is not even started yet, there is still the possibility that Jack will hang on and remain a strong influence on the local game for a long time to come.
And even if he goes there will be a BIG leadership vaccum and infighting that will hobble our game in the short term. Some of the incompetent, spineless worms who towed Jack's line without a peep will be emboldened to assert themselves in a bid for power.
But IMO would be an overall positive thing to have the Trinidad and Tobago football establishment shaken to the core. The soca warriors did their part, the foreigners press did their part. It will come down to us the citizens of T&T to make sure we don't put up with the nonsense anymore.
Definite signs of trouble in the camp!Warner want to cry :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Hmm, in less than 2 months Americans get rid of Bin Laden, Bin Hammam and Bin Teefin
If this has already been posted I apologize. If not, notice Jack getting increasingly ignorant. I would not have been surprised if he went for ah bottle in the middle of this interview.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/13593742.stm
If this has already been posted I apologize. If not, notice Jack getting increasingly ignorant. I would not have been surprised if he went for ah bottle in the middle of this interview.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/13593742.stm
I should add that what Jack quote in the email is hardly evidence. Valcke may well know details of the WC being bought but that sentence in that email is no different to us on this board saying that "Qatar buy it".
Unless Valcke prepared to start talking Jack will have to dig deeper.
But it makes Valcke's position pretty untenable...Jack taking down everybody :flamethrower:
I should add that what Jack quote in the email is hardly evidence. Valcke may well know details of the WC being bought but that sentence in that email is no different to us on this board saying that "Qatar buy it".
Unless Valcke prepared to start talking Jack will have to dig deeper.
If this has already been posted I apologize. If not, notice Jack getting increasingly ignorant. I would not have been surprised if he went for ah bottle in the middle of this interview.The stammer back in full effect.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/13593742.stm
Jack does have a problem in defending himself? Remember the Lasana rantings, well he ranting again,where's de tsunami? the international media laughing at him and calling it a thunderstorm.Now he even incriminating the man who was charged with him saying they bought the world cup.Jack does look like a mad man when he trying to defend himself,puling at anything he could get his hands on.No plan,no strategy, no thinking !!!!!!
Here is the beginning of the first wave:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/may/30/fifa-in-crisis-live-blog
I'm just going to grab my popcorn and enjoy the show. This is going to better than 4th of July and Chinese New Year combined.
With Valcke admitting the authenticity of the email Jack released, a few of things emerge. First, if Valcke knew of improprieties surrounding the Qatar bid, he had a duty to report it to the Ethics Committee. Since he didn't, he could be suspended and charged. Second, this creates the very real possibility that Qatar will lose the 2022 World Cup. My prediction is that Australia will get it instead of the US. Third and most important, Blatter is done. Once more allegations come forward, adidas and other major FIFA sponsors won't be able to take the heat and risk worldwide boycotts of their products. They will ask that he step down and Platini will be the interim president. The question will be; how will T&T, specifically its football, come out of this whole affair?
Better off, trust me on that!! :beermug:
i disagree with that, it affects us negatively as well, TT football will suffer as well, people are not looking at the bigger picture. TT will be branded as well in a negative light. >:(
It will definitely paint us in a negative light to outsiders. Especially seeing that Jack is/was acting PM of Trinidad and Tobago. Plus this is not even started yet, there is still the possibility that Jack will hang on and remain a strong influence on the local game for a long time to come.
And even if he goes there will be a BIG leadership vaccum and infighting that will hobble our game in the short term. Some of the incompetent, spineless worms who towed Jack's line without a peep will be emboldened to assert themselves in a bid for power.
But IMO would be an overall positive thing to have the Trinidad and Tobago football establishment shaken to the core. The soca warriors did their part, the foreigners press did their part. It will come down to us the citizens of T&T to make sure we don't put up with the nonsense anymore.
Guys, I've been saying on this site for months now that Jack has damaged the worlds image of T&T mostly in UK, USA, Australia and Europe. I've heard people in the past refer to "Tricky Trinis" but usually they were other Caribbean people. I had never heard English & Americans use the term, but I'm hearing it now. Its like back in the day when the African leaders were involved in corruption and ethnic cleansing. When you heard the name Idi Amin, you automatically had a negative connotation. I'm not saying Jack is like Amin, but the point is, when you hear Jack Warner you think of Trinidad. When you think of Trinidad you think of corruption.
Jack should never have entered politics all the time he's involved with FIFA. Its bad for T&Ts reputation. And its a real shame because as beautiful as this country is, and as honest and friendly as most Trinis are, all you see from the outside is high murder rates and Jack involved in corruption.
Hmm, in less than 2 months Americans get rid of Bin Laden, Bin Hammam and Bin Teefin
People see what they want to see my friend! We are no more corrupt than UK or the USA and they know that!
It's just that they have more influence over the world media than we do and can try to paint a false picture of us if they chose to!!
Once we clean house at the TTFF and get rid of Jack's invisible hand in the running of our federation all together then they would soon realise that Jackula's moral code does not represent the moral codes of the majority of Trinis!!
Come on the Americans had Bush as their president and the world does not see all Americans as warmongas as Bush was as a result.... well at least I hope not especially with Obama now in power!
Valcke's statement is more evidence of political bias (against Bin Hammam) than direct evidence as to impropriety in the award process. It may stoke, and for some confirm, suspicions that the bid was bought, but it's hardly a smoking gun. If anything Valcke can easily stand up and say "look, I don't like the man and I thought he used his influence to get votes, but that was just loose informal talk between Jack and I... I have no evidence that he 'bought' any votes."
People see what they want to see my friend! We are no more corrupt than UK or the USA and they know that!
It's just that they have more influence over the world media than we do and can try to paint a false picture of us if they chose to!!
Once we clean house at the TTFF and get rid of Jack's invisible hand in the running of our federation all together then they would soon realise that Jackula's moral code does not represent the moral codes of the majority of Trinis!!
Come on the Americans had Bush as their president and the world does not see all Americans as warmongas as Bush was as a result.... well at least I hope not especially with Obama now in power!
With all due respect I think yuh missing FS point... it's not about reality, it's about perception, that is implicit in the question as to how does Trinidad emerge in the eyes of the rest of the world with respect to this scandal. There's a separate issue of how our football will fare, which I'll try to weigh in on as well. Without a doubt this is a black mark on the reputation of TnT, in every article of significance related to the scandal "Trinidad and Tobago" is mentioned prominently alongside Jack's name. Without a doubt people will know us in many respects, Carnival, pan, calypso (perhaps), oil, the Soca Warriors (perhaps... Germany a fading memory as it is)... Jack Warner.
With the exception of the British press, most of the previous references were to Jack's role with CONCACAF, but in the past 7 days or so, increasingly it seems as though TnT's name is getting sucked in as well. The one saving grace so far is that they haven't mentioned that he's a high-ranking Government Minister as well... as this more than anything reflects poorly on our citzenry. The obvious question to be asked is "how could the Trinidad voters elect a man of such questionable scruples to such a high position," the tempting answer would be that the people of TnT don't think much of the ethical concerns surrounding Jack, which then of itself would cast aspersions as to what our ethical standards as a nation are. We all know Jack Warner has no business being anywhere near government, not with that ethical cloud following him around. But money buys influence and for good or bad, Jack is a very influential person. Now in all fairness to him, he's been a very good, if at times controversial Min. of Transportation. With a bit more of a muzzle and better oversight/supervision, he can be an excellent Minister, but all that is beside the point.
As for how it affects our football... in the short term this will have a disastrous effect on the local game. Had this happened earlier and I doubt we even would have been able to get Pfister on board, such is the taint from this scandal. I don't know any good reason for another country to associate itself with our football, outside of greed or need (for money). We have nothing to offer but a payday. Our reputation on the field is shot, and right now I'd argue we don't have any reputation off it. Yes we can blame Jack, but the vast majority has to be placed at the foot of the TTFF administration, and to government and other stakeholders who either took a soft approach to the TTFF, or took no approach at all, just giving them money and letting them do as they would with it.
Gary Hunt was villified, but the one thing I would forever praise Hunt for is that he brought a business approach to the relationship and demanded accountability. People didn't like his name, didn't like his manners, didn't like the flag issue, didn't like that he try to "jeopardize" the England friendly... and in the end he was run out of town "Hunt is ah Khunt!!" was the cry... right here on this messageboard. Are we all better for it now? Whether it was to be him or whether it will be someone else, we need a strong personality with a solid business acumen as Min. of Sport now more than ever. That person needs to be willing to commit to the TTFF, and most importantly, demand a seat at the table with them and accountability from them, because without Jack at the helm we will need money. When I say demand a seat, the government can't have much if any say in how the TTFF is run on a daily basis owing to FIFA's edict about gov't staying out of sport, but bettter oversight in how money is spent might be the way. T
he relationship promises to be mutually beneficial. Football is a money-making business, in the past 7 years FIFA's profits have grown from $480 billion to over $900 billion. All Confederations and member FA's get a cut of that. Private sponsorship alone will not fill that void, public funding must necessarily play a part. Some of this may be in the form of grants to the TTFF, but the bulk I think ought to be in the form of loans... loans which the TTFF, if properly run is guaranteed to be able to pay back... the franchise is much too profitable to fail. The only reason it has been foundering has been because of poor management and mismanagement. I don't fault Jack for taking money out of the TTFF, I fault him for taking more than he was owed. Long term this promises to be the start of a much overdue turnover in TnT football, and that can only be a good thing.
People see what they want to see my friend! We are no more corrupt than UK or the USA and they know that!
It's just that they have more influence over the world media than we do and can try to paint a false picture of us if they chose to!!
Once we clean house at the TTFF and get rid of Jack's invisible hand in the running of our federation all together then they would soon realise that Jackula's moral code does not represent the moral codes of the majority of Trinis!!
Come on the Americans had Bush as their president and the world does not see all Americans as warmongas as Bush was as a result.... well at least I hope not especially with Obama now in power!
With all due respect I think yuh missing FS point... it's not about reality, it's about perception, that is implicit in the question as to how does Trinidad emerge in the eyes of the rest of the world with respect to this scandal. There's a separate issue of how our football will fare, which I'll try to weigh in on as well. Without a doubt this is a black mark on the reputation of TnT, in every article of significance related to the scandal "Trinidad and Tobago" is mentioned prominently alongside Jack's name. Without a doubt people will know us in many respects, Carnival, pan, calypso (perhaps), oil, the Soca Warriors (perhaps... Germany a fading memory as it is)... Jack Warner.
With the exception of the British press, most of the previous references were to Jack's role with CONCACAF, but in the past 7 days or so, increasingly it seems as though TnT's name is getting sucked in as well. The one saving grace so far is that they haven't mentioned that he's a high-ranking Government Minister as well... as this more than anything reflects poorly on our citzenry. The obvious question to be asked is "how could the Trinidad voters elect a man of such questionable scruples to such a high position," the tempting answer would be that the people of TnT don't think much of the ethical concerns surrounding Jack, which then of itself would cast aspersions as to what our ethical standards as a nation are. We all know Jack Warner has no business being anywhere near government, not with that ethical cloud following him around. But money buys influence and for good or bad, Jack is a very influential person. Now in all fairness to him, he's been a very good, if at times controversial Min. of Transportation. With a bit more of a muzzle and better oversight/supervision, he can be an excellent Minister, but all that is beside the point.
As for how it affects our football... in the short term this will have a disastrous effect on the local game. Had this happened earlier and I doubt we even would have been able to get Pfister on board, such is the taint from this scandal. I don't know any good reason for another country to associate itself with our football, outside of greed or need (for money). We have nothing to offer but a payday. Our reputation on the field is shot, and right now I'd argue we don't have any reputation off it. Yes we can blame Jack, but the vast majority has to be placed at the foot of the TTFF administration, and to government and other stakeholders who either took a soft approach to the TTFF, or took no approach at all, just giving them money and letting them do as they would with it.
Gary Hunt was villified, but the one thing I would forever praise Hunt for is that he brought a business approach to the relationship and demanded accountability. People didn't like his name, didn't like his manners, didn't like the flag issue, didn't like that he try to "jeopardize" the England friendly... and in the end he was run out of town "Hunt is ah Khunt!!" was the cry... right here on this messageboard. Are we all better for it now? Whether it was to be him or whether it will be someone else, we need a strong personality with a solid business acumen as Min. of Sport now more than ever. That person needs to be willing to commit to the TTFF, and most importantly, demand a seat at the table with them and accountability from them, because without Jack at the helm we will need money. When I say demand a seat, the government can't have much if any say in how the TTFF is run on a daily basis owing to FIFA's edict about gov't staying out of sport, but bettter oversight in how money is spent might be the way. T
he relationship promises to be mutually beneficial. Football is a money-making business, in the past 7 years FIFA's profits have grown from $480 billion to over $900 billion. All Confederations and member FA's get a cut of that. Private sponsorship alone will not fill that void, public funding must necessarily play a part. Some of this may be in the form of grants to the TTFF, but the bulk I think ought to be in the form of loans... loans which the TTFF, if properly run is guaranteed to be able to pay back... the franchise is much too profitable to fail. The only reason it has been foundering has been because of poor management and mismanagement. I don't fault Jack for taking money out of the TTFF, I fault him for taking more than he was owed. Long term this promises to be the start of a much overdue turnover in TnT football, and that can only be a good thing.
If this has already been posted I apologize. If not, notice Jack getting increasingly ignorant. I would not have been surprised if he went for ah bottle in the middle of this interview.The stammer back in full effect.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/13593742.stm
Valcke's statement is more evidence of political bias (against Bin Hammam) than direct evidence as to impropriety in the award process. It may stoke, and for some confirm, suspicions that the bid was bought, but it's hardly a smoking gun. If anything Valcke can easily stand up and say "look, I don't like the man and I thought he used his influence to get votes, but that was just loose informal talk between Jack and I... I have no evidence that he 'bought' any votes."
Valcke says reference that Qatar ‘bought’ World Cup bid was about promotional campaign
FIFA Secretary General Jerome Valcke says his reference that Qatar had “bought” the right to host the 2022 World Cup was meant to imply the country simply used its “financial strength to lobby for support,” and not that it had done anything unethical.
Valcke's statement is more evidence of political bias (against Bin Hammam) than direct evidence as to impropriety in the award process. It may stoke, and for some confirm, suspicions that the bid was bought, but it's hardly a smoking gun. If anything Valcke can easily stand up and say "look, I don't like the man and I thought he used his influence to get votes, but that was just loose informal talk between Jack and I... I have no evidence that he 'bought' any votes."
Valcke says reference that Qatar ‘bought’ World Cup bid was about promotional campaign
FIFA Secretary General Jerome Valcke says his reference that Qatar had “bought” the right to host the 2022 World Cup was meant to imply the country simply used its “financial strength to lobby for support,” and not that it had done anything unethical.
Earlier I said that Jack was moving greedy now I find he moving stupid. He probably have too much on his plate with Private businesses, Concacaf, CFU, TTFF (advisor), UNC chairmain, Minsitry of Works, Parliamentary representative and (acting) PM of the country same time. Is too much for a man pushing 70.
He had to know that email was paper thin BS. And at the end of the day people in FIFA will always have more on Jack than he have on them.
Even if he was somehow re-instated his dogs dead because the Concacaf members see him brought to his knees and he will be a lot less powerful. A central/north american alliance could work to pull off some CFU countries with the promise of better representation or prop up the candidacy of a non-Warner CFU head.
The only unique benefit Jack could offer Concacaf is his FIFA exec comm membership and he is certain to lose that when Blatter done with him. FIFA will need a fall guy to show that they "cleaning house" and Jack is the most worthy candidate. Blazer stitch him up good and proper by taking the issue outside of FIFA into the real world.
Well yes, look thing!!! :o :o According to Lasana, knives in Switzerland selling for top dollars right now!!!....
Here what does kill me bout Jack, he crying that he was treated unfairly by FIFA's ethics committee but he tried every dirty trick in the book to deny the players they money he promised them......steups!!
If is one thing Jack, this new round of bacchanal providing good entertainment.....
Ah love it!! (C) Andre Samuel
Well yes, look thing!!! :o :o According to Lasana, knives in Switzerland selling for top dollars right now!!!....
Here what does kill me bout Jack, he crying that he was treated unfairly by FIFA's ethics committee but he tried every dirty trick in the book to deny the players they money he promised them......steups!!
If is one thing Jack, this new round of bacchanal providing good entertainment.....
Ah love it!! (C) Andre Samuel
It's a joke because all of his accusations against others incriminate himself. If Blatter giving 1M in Goal money was wrong, then Jack wrong for taking it.
Also he questioning the procedure of the same Kangaroo Court that has been generous to him in the past.
The stuff about Blazer is a weak reach because I sure it was a matter where Blazer was n court on his (Concacaf's) behalf.
As an side, it is amazing to me that a man who has spent so much time in the public eye, well travelled, and supposedly global has so much trouble articulating himself to the point where he delivers a lucid message. Reminds of "de ticket below, de bogus ticket" speech from 1989
As an side, it is amazing to me that a man who has spent so much time in the public eye, well travelled, and supposedly global has so much trouble articulating himself to the point where he delivers a lucid message. Reminds of "de ticket below, de bogus ticket" speech from 1989
Well yes, look thing!!! :o :o According to Lasana, knives in Switzerland selling for top dollars right now!!!....
Here what does kill me bout Jack, he crying that he was treated unfairly by FIFA's ethics committee but he tried every dirty trick in the book to deny the players they money he promised them......steups!!
If is one thing Jack, this new round of bacchanal providing good entertainment.....
Ah love it!! (C) Andre Samuel
It's a joke because all of his accusations against others incriminate himself. If Blatter giving 1M in Goal money was wrong, then Jack wrong for taking it.
Also he questioning the procedure of the same Kangaroo Court that has been generous to him in the past.
The stuff about Blazer is a weak reach because I sure it was a matter where Blazer was n court on his (Concacaf's) behalf.
FIFA may not even have to do much more to hang Jack's Jack after all!
It's looks like Jack is quite capable of doing it to himself if he continues to open his mouth without thinking things thru properly as he has been doing! :-[
This could be no more evident than Blatter's press conference which is a classic, you simply don't treat the international press like that without any payback.
It is only a matter of when not if FIFA has it house cleaned for it, maybe this is the tipping point maybe not. But the likelyhood is that when it does happen the poorer football nations will suffer due to the perception or otherwise of the "tainted funding" recieved in the past and how the present voting system has helped.
As an side, it is amazing to me that a man who has spent so much time in the public eye, well travelled, and supposedly global has so much trouble articulating himself to the point where he delivers a lucid message. Reminds of "de ticket below, de bogus ticket" speech from 1989
wow.. u remember dat too.. :beermug:
Asked whether he thought Warner should continue to hold the posts of FIFA vice-president and Works Minister, Roberts said he saw no problem with it.
Asked whether he thought Warner should continue to hold the posts of FIFA vice-president and Works Minister, Roberts said he saw no problem with it.
aaaaahhhhh boy Anil, yuh eh disappoint at all. Hear what jokey bout this eh, the COP in a statement say he should step aside, but the man who running to lead the party say he eh see no problem with the situation.....ah guess Anil running a campaign of "new politics"?? ::)
Whey de COP people on this forum......talk to me folks, all yuh really serious about electing this man as leader?? ??? :-\
This could be no more evident than Blatter's press conference which is a classic, you simply don't treat the international press like that without any payback.
It is only a matter of when not if FIFA has it house cleaned for it, maybe this is the tipping point maybe not. But the likelyhood is that when it does happen the poorer football nations will suffer due to the perception or otherwise of the "tainted funding" recieved in the past and how the present voting system has helped.
I honestly think this will be Blatter's downfall, the degree of pomposity was just astounding... what with the talk of "this is FIFA house" and "you cannot question me, I am the President of FIFA". You'd think the press was changing money in St. Peter's Basilica, and questioning Christ himself. It would be funny if he wasn't being so dead serious. John Cleese, Eric Idle and the rest of the Monty Python crew could not have written a more farcical script. Under different circumstances you'd half expect him to look into the camera at the end and say "live from Zurich, this is Saturday Night!".
Jack Warner's travel company arranged flights for Fifa delegates to meeting where alleged bribes took place (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/international/8547515/Jack-Warners-travel-company-arranged-flights-for-Fifa-delegates-to-meeting-where-alleged-bribes-took-place.html)
this has gone from the realm of embarrassment to the realm of ???
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/may/31/fifa-in-crisis-live-blog
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" In what has to be the most hilarious development so far (in an admittedly highly competitive and crowded field) Jack Warner has insisted to the Caribbean Football Union that their Fifa delegates must vote for Sepp Blatter in tomorrow's presidential decider (coronation). If you need reminding this is the same Sepp who must be stopped, according to Warner, and who announced JW's suspension following Chuck Blazer's allegations of bribery.
Here's the line from Sb from Reuters:
Suspended CONCACAF president Jack Warner wrote to members of the Caribbean Football Union on Tuesday reminding them that they should vote for incumbent Sepp Blatter in FIFA's presidential election.
Warner, who was provisionally suspended on Sunday pending an ethics committee investigation into allegations of bribery, asked Caribbean Football Union members not to protest against his suspension during the FIFA congress.
***
and in the latest development Chuck Blazer is claiming that Warner has violated the Fifa ban.
I always thought Jack would still be clinging to power and gradually ride out into the sunset while controlling the TTFF behind the scenes for years to come. After being virtually untouchable for so long who would have thought he would become the global poster boy for inept circus clown. Justice being served, and he eating his come-uppence right in front the entire world.
this has gone from the realm of embarrassment to the realm of ???
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/may/31/fifa-in-crisis-live-blog
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" In what has to be the most hilarious development so far (in an admittedly highly competitive and crowded field) Jack Warner has insisted to the Caribbean Football Union that their Fifa delegates must vote for Sepp Blatter in tomorrow's presidential decider (coronation). If you need reminding this is the same Sepp who must be stopped, according to Warner, and who announced JW's suspension following Chuck Blazer's allegations of bribery.
Here's the line from Sb from Reuters:
Suspended CONCACAF president Jack Warner wrote to members of the Caribbean Football Union on Tuesday reminding them that they should vote for incumbent Sepp Blatter in FIFA's presidential election.
Warner, who was provisionally suspended on Sunday pending an ethics committee investigation into allegations of bribery, asked Caribbean Football Union members not to protest against his suspension during the FIFA congress.
***
and in the latest development Chuck Blazer is claiming that Warner has violated the Fifa ban.
I am not sure what this letter does for his reputation other than coming across as a fool IMO.
Warner this afternoon made public a letter he had written to the 25 members of the Caribbean Football Union - an action in itself that could be a breach of this suspension - urging them to vote for Sepp Blatter in tomorrow's election and make no protest.
The letter states: "I, Jack Warner, a servant and believer in the principles of this beautiful game do humbly besiege you, my brothers and sisters from the Caribbean Football Union to desist from initiating any protest action at tomorrow's FIFA Congress.
"I know many of you are hurting and it is only human nature that you would want to demonstrate your anger but despite all we must not fuel a fire set by others to incinerate all that we strive for.
"At our last meeting we agreed as a union to support the incumbent Joseph Sepp Blatter in his quest to regain the presidency. I wish to assure you nothing has changed - our mandate was set then and despite it all we must fulfil it.
"The battles I have fought over the last week are my burdens to bear; my shoulders are broad and skin is insulated to the verbal attacks I am subjected to daily. This is now my battle. I am humbled by all the support I continue to receive. Let us not be detracted for your duty is to football."
Wha bout...if they was always going to vote for Sepp.
Just trying to MILK Bin Hamman for all he have and take his gifts.
Jack is the man who had to orchestrate it ....but Blazer, Puerto Rico, Turks and Caicos and Bahamas ent get the memo to take the money and hush they arse.
Why yuh feel Lisle Austin want Blazer to explain...is cause he shit up the plan.
End of the day...Sepp get his last 4 yrs...ride out into the sunset.
Bin Hamman feel he have Concacaf support...next election he look to share the wealth when he win and share out some of the transportable Quatar stadiums after the WC. Concacaf feels good, justifies their .5 place spot and gets the benefit of a few goal projects.
Everybody happy...all pockets fat...and ting in order.
Dat was d original plan.
Wha bout...if they was always going to vote for Sepp.
Just trying to MILK Bin Hamman for all he have and take his gifts.
Jack is the man who had to orchestrate it ....but Blazer, Puerto Rico, Turks and Caicos and Bahamas ent get the memo to take the money and hush they arse.
Why yuh feel Lisle Austin want Blazer to explain...is cause he shit up the plan.
End of the day...Sepp get his last 4 yrs...ride out into the sunset.
Bin Hamman feel he have Concacaf support...next election he look to share the wealth when he win and share out some of the transportable Quatar stadiums after the WC. Concacaf feels good, justifies their .5 place spot and gets the benefit of a few goal projects.
Everybody happy...all pockets fat...and ting in order.
Dat was d original plan.
That sound about right.
Except.....dem fellas doh lapse on dem kinda "memos"
Ah tink wha happen is dat Jack is de one get played.
That "MAY" have been the original plan....but Blatter know his reelection wouldnt be a shoo in.....given the image problems FIFA has, he needed to run a campaign that could rally the forces. And what better way to do that than to run on a campaign of cleaning up FIFA's image by stamping out corruption? That would be his legacy. But for the plan to wuk, they needed a fall guy. A big enough fish to make it APPEAR that they serious.
Guess who?
but despite all we must not fuel a fire set by others to incinerate all that we strive for
[. Jack striving for Shakespearean heights and end up channelling Harlequin Romance.:D
this has gone from the realm of embarrassment to the realm of ???
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/may/31/fifa-in-crisis-live-blog
****
" In what has to be the most hilarious development so far (in an admittedly highly competitive and crowded field) Jack Warner has insisted to the Caribbean Football Union that their Fifa delegates must vote for Sepp Blatter in tomorrow's presidential decider (coronation). If you need reminding this is the same Sepp who must be stopped, according to Warner, and who announced JW's suspension following Chuck Blazer's allegations of bribery.
Here's the line from Sb from Reuters:
Suspended CONCACAF president Jack Warner wrote to members of the Caribbean Football Union on Tuesday reminding them that they should vote for incumbent Sepp Blatter in FIFA's presidential election.
Warner, who was provisionally suspended on Sunday pending an ethics committee investigation into allegations of bribery, asked Caribbean Football Union members not to protest against his suspension during the FIFA congress.
***
and in the latest development Chuck Blazer is claiming that Warner has violated the Fifa ban.
[. Jack striving for Shakespearean heights and end up channelling Harlequin Romance.:D
De Funny ting is ah hearin real allegations of Qatar buy dey world cup....but nobody mentionin russia.
Russia get dey own legit? or dey fraid putin poison some people if he country name get call
Wha bout...if they was always going to vote for Sepp.
Just trying to MILK Bin Hamman for all he have and take his gifts.
Jack is the man who had to orchestrate it ....but Blazer, Puerto Rico, Turks and Caicos and Bahamas ent get the memo to take the money and hush they arse.
Why yuh feel Lisle Austin want Blazer to explain...is cause he shit up the plan.
End of the day...Sepp get his last 4 yrs...ride out into the sunset.
Bin Hamman feel he have Concacaf support...next election he look to share the wealth when he win and share out some of the transportable Quatar stadiums after the WC. Concacaf feels good, justifies their .5 place spot and gets the benefit of a few goal projects.
Everybody happy...all pockets fat...and ting in order.
Dat was d original plan.
That sound about right.
Except.....dem fellas doh lapse on dem kinda "memos"
Ah tink wha happen is dat Jack is de one get played.
That "MAY" have been the original plan....but Blatter know his reelection wouldnt be a shoo in.....given the image problems FIFA has, he needed to run a campaign that could rally the forces. And what better way to do that than to run on a campaign of cleaning up FIFA's image by stamping out corruption? That would be his legacy. But for the plan to wuk, they needed a fall guy. A big enough fish to make it APPEAR that they serious.
Guess who?
Jack really feel any CFU rep was going to bat for him after he get de-clawed? Like he forget FIFA representation is about following the leader and he ent the leader no more.
Chicken has come home to roost.
[. Jack striving for Shakespearean heights and end up channelling Harlequin Romance.:D
De Funny ting is ah hearin real allegations of Qatar buy dey world cup....but nobody mentionin russia.
Russia get dey own legit? or dey fraid putin poison some people if he country name get call
Jack promise a "Tsunami."
Blatter must be stopped.
Now vote for Blatter, all in 24 hours.
I have a feeling dey make up behind closed doors.
Sepp cah afford for Jackos to spill de beans.
jack just had to get put in he place and know not to go against Massah Sepp. Now that he know it and the Asian fella get kick to the side is business as usual. But if JW family could sell tickets illegally and Jack barely get a rap on the knuckles - dey could easilly brush away the $ 1 million Sepp give to CONCACAF.
VB
Jack promise a "Tsunami."
Blatter must be stopped.
Now vote for Blatter, all in 24 hours.
I have a feeling dey make up behind closed doors.
Sepp cah afford for Jackos to spill de beans.
jack just had to get put in he place and know not to go against Massah Sepp. Now that he know it and the Asian fella get kick to the side is business as usual. But if JW family could sell tickets illegally and Jack barely get a rap on the knuckles - dey could easilly brush away the $ 1 million Sepp give to CONCACAF.
VB
Are you hoping this is the case or you're simply speculating?
Jack promise a "Tsunami."
Blatter must be stopped.
Now vote for Blatter, all in 24 hours.
I have a feeling dey make up behind closed doors.
Sepp cah afford for Jackos to spill de beans.
jack just had to get put in he place and know not to go against Massah Sepp. Now that he know it and the Asian fella get kick to the side is business as usual. But if JW family could sell tickets illegally and Jack barely get a rap on the knuckles - dey could easilly brush away the $ 1 million Sepp give to CONCACAF.
VB
Are you hoping this is the case or you're simply speculating?
Everything in this thread beyond the news reports is speculation - and entertaining to a point.
The way I read it: Jack try to stab Sepp in the back, Sepp backup plan Chuck stab Jack in the back, Jack then break out the threat of the nuclear option. (If I going down, all ah we going down, tsunami etc) Everybody now slowly backing away from the Mexican standoff, claiming it was all just a big misunderstanding.
Breaking News
Lisle Austin has terminated Chuck Blazer's services with immediate effect
Breaking News
Lisle Austin has terminated Chuck Blazer's services with immediate effect
Breaking News
Lisle Austin has terminated Chuck Blazer's services with immediate effect
Source? ::)
Big Up!
Breaking News
Lisle Austin has terminated Chuck Blazer's services with immediate effect
Source? ::)
Big Up!
i95.5fm News at six. It was also said that Blatter & Fifa's General Secretary were informed of same
Breaking News
Lisle Austin has terminated Chuck Blazer's services with immediate effect
Source? ::)
Big Up!
i95.5fm News at six. It was also said that Blatter & Fifa's General Secretary were informed of same
YES it's true, I just heard it on ietv news as well... JW is also urging the CFU members to vote for Blatter tomorrow... what a joke! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Breaking News
Lisle Austin has terminated Chuck Blazer's services with immediate effect
Breaking News
Lisle Austin has terminated Chuck Blazer's services with immediate effect
Chicken has come home to roost.
after reading the latest letter to the CFU
Look like de chicken climb in ah red and white box wit medium fries
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Concacaf statement (from New York office): "Chuck Blazer continues as general secretary and with the full authority of his office."
:rotfl:
OFFICIAL media release from CONCACAF
NEW YORK (Tuesday, May 31, 2011) – Today an unauthorized declaration was made by Lisle Austin attempting to remove Chuck Blazer as General Secretary of CONCACAF.
This attempted action was taken without any authority. Under the CONCACAF Statutes, jurisdiction over the General Secretary rests solely with the CONCACAF Executive Committee which has taken no action. Further a majority of the Executive Committee Members have advised Mr. Austin that he does not have the authority to take such action.
Chuck Blazer continues as CONCACAF General Secretary and with the full authority of his office. The Confederation continues its normal operations including the Gold Cup commencing on June 5th at Cowboys Stadium in Dallas.
OFFICIAL media release from CONCACAF
NEW YORK (Tuesday, May 31, 2011) – Today an unauthorized declaration was made by Lisle Austin attempting to remove Chuck Blazer as General Secretary of CONCACAF.
This attempted action was taken without any authority. Under the CONCACAF Statutes, jurisdiction over the General Secretary rests solely with the CONCACAF Executive Committee which has taken no action. Further a majority of the Executive Committee Members have advised Mr. Austin that he does not have the authority to take such action.
Chuck Blazer continues as CONCACAF General Secretary and with the full authority of his office. The Confederation continues its normal operations including the Gold Cup commencing on June 5th at Cowboys Stadium in Dallas.
Another defeat for Jack... well well well
Well yes, them men not even subtle with their attempts at covering up this nonsense. U telling me he try to fire Blazer for calling Jack out?? Smh...and then they want people to say FIFA is not one of the most corrupt organizations on the planet....steups
So how can an acting President fire a FIFA executive committee member?
So how can an acting President fire a FIFA executive committee member?
I started to weigh in on this earlier but decided to wait for more official news... I believe he can be terminated as Secretary General as this may be an appointed position rather than an elected one. ExCo is also appointed, but you're appointed by the Confederation, so essentially elected by the member FA's to be their ExCo representative. He can't be fired from that position... but he can be recalled, requiring some sort of referendum or vote, and not up to Austin's whim.
Watch nah man, One of we better start collecting this stuff and write a book. This thing better than Lucha Libre! Just when yuh think ah man get pin, he does throw the man off and then when yuh not looking ah next one come through wid a chair! Blatter is the referee, he does throw in some licks too, but basically counting to 3 as slow as possible.
Lisle Austin hits back, citing Article 29 of the CONCACAF Constitution. He also says Blazer are "tantamount to trespassing".
Just in via Shaka Hislop:QuoteLisle Austin hits back, citing Article 29 of the CONCACAF Constitution. He also says Blazer are "tantamount to trespassing".
This is Bacchanal. Blazer cannot be fired. I wont be surprise if Jack Warner is fired by Thursday after the elections
Sad to say and I don't mind if I am called unpatriotic but I really hope that power should go to either Mexicans or Americans. Maybe just maybe we in the Caribbean would really start working hard and putting proper plans together knowing that we have no help to get. The US and Mexico have been consistent over the years I really don't see why they shouldn't lead concacaf.
I'm just confused! Austin says Blazer acted without authority from exco, then apparently acts without the same authority by sacking Blazer. What a joke this is becoming.
And why have we not heard more about the Simpaul involvement? Surely Warner abused his power by ordering delegates to book with Simpaul. At the very least, if there was no tender (which I'm sure there wasn't) then Warner could be accused of lining his families pockets at the expense of CFU. Its even more blatant than the Kamla situation. at least she had no direct financial involvement in GoPaul.
You know, if this was UK or USA, journos would be all over this. Then theres the "missing million". No one out there bothered?
Banana Republic politics. These men are simply reflecting how we Caribbean nations conduct business: with baseless abuse of power! Once again, we have a puppet acting and trying to act arbitrarily. Probably collected he bag ah money and don't want to give it back, and vex with Blazer for insisting that they do so. The seat of power in Concacaf may well change after this. I'm surprised that we haven't heard anything from the Mexican federation. I guess they are waiting to see where how things play out before they take a side?
The only thing I could see in article 29 is about powers of attorney. Perhaps if Blazer didn't have authority to engage legal counsel on CONCACAF's behalf, he may have committed a breach which allows him to be fired. It might all hinge on who paying the fees.
I'm just confused! Austin says Blazer acted without authority from exco, then apparently acts without the same authority by sacking Blazer. What a joke this is becoming.
And why have we not heard more about the Simpaul involvement? Surely Warner abused his power by ordering delegates to book with Simpaul. At the very least, if there was no tender (which I'm sure there wasn't) then Warner could be accused of lining his families pockets at the expense of CFU. Its even more blatant than the Kamla situation. at least she had no direct financial involvement in GoPaul.
You know, if this was UK or USA, journos would be all over this. Then theres the "missing million". No one out there bothered?
Business as usual! Doh forget it’s a government minister and all ministers are innocent until proven guilty!!
Don't forget the PM says she stands by Jack so he's obviously hasn't been found guilty of anything!
Why embarrass our PM by investigating and possibly finding out things which are better kept quiet?
Safest thing to do where JW is concerned is to act like none of his affairs is worth investigating and hope everyone forgets about it and moves on.
Why yuh bringing these gapping issues up?! I feel you must be ah PNM supporter yes!!
Why yuh against JW so!? He’s your hardest working minister!!
Everytime you drive down the road in T&T and doh get stuck in traffic you must thank him!!
How could you not trust such a great man and want to investigate his affairs?!!
Allyuh PNM is something else yes!! (Controv, wha yuh say, ah sounding more logical now?!) ::)
Where on the map is Quatemala??Banana Republic politics. These men are simply reflecting how we Caribbean nations conduct business: with baseless abuse of power! Once again, we have a puppet acting and trying to act arbitrarily. Probably collected he bag ah money and don't want to give it back, and vex with Blazer for insisting that they do so. The seat of power in Concacaf may well change after this. I'm surprised that we haven't heard anything from the Mexican federation. I guess they are waiting to see where how things play out before they take a side?
Beforejack became president, Concacaf HQ was in Quatemala. The only Caribbean countries use to get respect were Haiti and Cuba because they were there from the beginning. Is only when the CFU was formed the Carib started to flex a little muscle thru jack. He moved the HQ to NY with the help of maybe Blazer himself or another american, because he said the federation needed a big country profile. But they moved because the US was emerging as a football nation and was doling out money at the time. Concacaf (with the exception of US and Mex) as a federation did not have money.
The Quats were pissed suffice to say and tried to rally the Central Americans, but nothing happenned. It did not worry the Mexican because they have plenty football money and the best organized league in Latin American. Concacaf can't do them nothing if they don't step on anyone toes. And anyways they have the best team in the zone and on most occasions qualify for the WC.
the CFU voted in block , their ace in hand. The CFU has benefitted by the small Carib countries getting a shot at the US and Mex and on a given day can reek some havoc. But in the final analysis, the REAL game is played on the field and not the boardroom. That is why only JA and TT has qualified in recent times.
Now, If they split the vote, then the CFU teams will get thunder. Los espanoles will gang up against los brits.
Sad to say and I don't mind if I am called unpatriotic but I really hope that power should go to either Mexicans or Americans. Maybe just maybe we in the Caribbean would really start working hard and putting proper plans together knowing that we have no help to get. The US and Mexico have been consistent over the years I really don't see why they shouldn't lead concacaf.Nothing unpatriotic about it. We should want competent officials not officials that favour us. For all the talk about Jack's high position in a global organization we know that he is not competent (at the things that should matter) or respected.
I'm just confused! Austin says Blazer acted without authority from exco, then apparently acts without the same authority by sacking Blazer. What a joke this is becoming.
And why have we not heard more about the Simpaul involvement? Surely Warner abused his power by ordering delegates to book with Simpaul. At the very least, if there was no tender (which I'm sure there wasn't) then Warner could be accused of lining his families pockets at the expense of CFU. Its even more blatant than the Kamla situation. at least she had no direct financial involvement in GoPaul.
You know, if this was UK or USA, journos would be all over this. Then theres the "missing million". No one out there bothered?
Considerin that Chuck is a tief and the Mexicans wasn't doing anything much in CONCACAF before Jack came along, the assumption that a Mexican or American head would do better is weak. Check the USOC bacchanal with the Salt Lake City Olympics.
Nationality doesn't equate to competence or integrity. After all, Blatter is Swiss. Who more competent and reliable than the Swiss?
The current power structure lends itself to the kinds of bacchanal we see all over the world. I don't know how that can be changed. If envelopes of money passing, and there is no real deterrent penalty for offenders (i.e. fines and jail), then any system can be corrupted.
The thing about Jack is that he's not incompetent. His goals get accomplished. This is why you haven't see any huge clamor for his replacement among the member federations.
Bakes, I'm not sure I understand your statement: "To be honest with you that's not really much of an issue to me... the bribery allegations are waaaaaayy more serious. Jack didn't order anybody to book with Simpaul, he essentially said "I can't guarantee you that you'll be reimbursed if you book on your own"... he then charge Bin Hammam $100,000 more than the cost it seems. There is nothing crooked or illegal about what he did the delegates paid the same as they would have paid otherwise on their own... the only difference is thaty by going thru Simpaul Jack was able to pad his coffers at Bin Hammam's expense. Is not FIFA money or CONCACAF money is Bin Hammam's money... so big deal."
Isn't that a kind of threat or at least coersion? I mean, if I say to you "you don't have to give me $1,000 per week, but if you don't, I can't guarantee your windows won't get smashed" isn't that an implicit threat?
Jacks saying basically "do what I say or you'll lose out" Maybe some low level guy could get away with this, but any suggestion of a threat from a Minister should be looked at seriously. Then theres the issue of money laundering. How did the cash get into the country? Where did the $1 million go? In which set of accounts will it appear? Drug barons go to jail for illlegally obtaining cash. How is this different?
http://www.youtube.com/v/I81S4gPn0GY
http://www.youtube.com/v/I81S4gPn0GY
Blazer Santa Claus
Jack Robin Hood according 2 d MOWT employee
What a cast of characters
http://www.youtube.com/v/I81S4gPn0GY
Blazer is a damn bigger tief than jack and Burrell put together...he jes under de radar more. dat is all!
Bakes, I'm not sure I understand your statement: "To be honest with you that's not really much of an issue to me... the bribery allegations are waaaaaayy more serious. Jack didn't order anybody to book with Simpaul, he essentially said "I can't guarantee you that you'll be reimbursed if you book on your own"... he then charge Bin Hammam $100,000 more than the cost it seems. There is nothing crooked or illegal about what he did the delegates paid the same as they would have paid otherwise on their own... the only difference is thaty by going thru Simpaul Jack was able to pad his coffers at Bin Hammam's expense. Is not FIFA money or CONCACAF money is Bin Hammam's money... so big deal."
Isn't that a kind of threat or at least coersion? I mean, if I say to you "you don't have to give me $1,000 per week, but if you don't, I can't guarantee your windows won't get smashed" isn't that an implicit threat?
Jacks saying basically "do what I say or you'll lose out" Maybe some low level guy could get away with this, but any suggestion of a threat from a Minister should be looked at seriously. Then theres the issue of money laundering. How did the cash get into the country? Where did the $1 million go? In which set of accounts will it appear? Drug barons go to jail for illlegally obtaining cash. How is this different?
WORD out of UK, is that ethics inquiry into Bin Hammam & Jack Warner will begin but they will be CLEARED of all charges. Basically all this was scripted with Bin Hammam being a dummy candidate, while Blazer will be the odd man out for breaking the "inner circle" snitching on Jack. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
jw tell cfu to vote for sepp, jw and sepp are partners, orchestration at its best :beermug:
WORD out of UK, is that ethics inquiry into Bin Hammam & Jack Warner will begin but they will be CLEARED of all charges. Basically all this was scripted with Bin Hammam being a dummy candidate, while Blazer will be the odd man out for breaking the "inner circle" snitching on Jack. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
jw tell cfu to vote for sepp, jw and sepp are partners, orchestration at its best :beermug:
Not really! It’s only Jack hanging himself!
Terms of his suspension is that he should not get involved in any FIFA football business until he's proven innocent at the hearing!
I think Sepp needs a big fall guy to convince the world that he is determined to clean up FIFA and Jack might have unwittingly volunteered himself!
We will see how this all pans out!
If Jack manages to survive this mess that his backstabbing partner Blazer has put him in and keep his job in FIFA and all the other positions he has then Coop’s and myself are likely to become drinking partners!! :beermug:
WORD out of UK, is that ethics inquiry into Bin Hammam & Jack Warner will begin but they will be CLEARED of all charges. Basically all this was scripted with Bin Hammam being a dummy candidate, while Blazer will be the odd man out for breaking the "inner circle" snitching on Jack. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:sauce please
WORD out of UK, is that ethics inquiry into Bin Hammam & Jack Warner will begin but they will be CLEARED of all charges. Basically all this was scripted with Bin Hammam being a dummy candidate, while Blazer will be the odd man out for breaking the "inner circle" snitching on Jack. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:sauce please
WORD out of UK, is that ethics inquiry into Bin Hammam & Jack Warner will begin but they will be CLEARED of all charges. Basically all this was scripted with Bin Hammam being a dummy candidate, while Blazer will be the odd man out for breaking the "inner circle" snitching on Jack. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:sauce please
Mango or tambrind ???
i prefer mango ;D
FIFA re-elects Blatter as president
Om La La on Crimewatch now talkin about Warner. Interestingly he says that, if found guilty, the worse that could happen to Jack is a suspension (I had assumed he could be sacked).
Boy i like this scandal too bad,the truth will always prevail,keep waiting for Jack to get caught alyu will get grey.England and the US set up their own self,they going to get caught in their own net.
What's interesting is that all the Caribbean islands were bribed but 13 of them say they never received anything and that includes Jamaica who you all hate so much and who you all say don't like T&T.
What you all don't realize is yes we are the smallest country to ever qualify for a WC finals and that's history but we created history long before that and it's affecting the super powers of Football,T&T is too small to be dictating to these big countries what to do,you know how long Jack wanted to qualify for a WC just to have a little more weight when he sits at the table with them.
That's my reason for always bringing us the race issue,they want to get him out long time,as much as we does say he keeping back or have kept back our Football etc etc in the end judge for yourselves.
Breds is 13 countries did not receive any so who is who pardna.Boy i like this scandal too bad,the truth will always prevail,keep waiting for Jack to get caught alyu will get grey.England and the US set up their own self,they going to get caught in their own net.
What's interesting is that all the Caribbean islands were bribed but 13 of them say they never received anything and that includes Jamaica who you all hate so much and who you all say don't like T&T.
What you all don't realize is yes we are the smallest country to ever qualify for a WC finals and that's history but we created history long before that and it's affecting the super powers of Football,T&T is too small to be dictating to these big countries what to do,you know how long Jack wanted to qualify for a WC just to have a little more weight when he sits at the table with them.
That's my reason for always bringing us the race issue,they want to get him out long time,as much as we does say he keeping back or have kept back our Football etc etc in the end judge for yourselves.
Coop's this is not a Jamaica supporting Trinidad ting.This is simply Horace Burrell supporting his pardna Jack who he owes a lot to just like Austin form Barbados
Boy i like this scandal too bad,the truth will always prevail,keep waiting for Jack to get caught alyu will get grey.England and the US set up their own self,they going to get caught in their own net.
What's interesting is that all the Caribbean islands were bribed but 13 of them say they never received anything and that includes Jamaica who you all hate so much and who you all say don't like T&T.
What you all don't realize is yes we are the smallest country to ever qualify for a WC finals and that's history but we created history long before that and it's affecting the super powers of Football,T&T is too small to be dictating to these big countries what to do,you know how long Jack wanted to qualify for a WC just to have a little more weight when he sits at the table with them.
That's my reason for always bringing us the race issue,they want to get him out long time,as much as we does say he keeping back or have kept back our Football etc etc in the end judge for yourselves.
No no Bakes don't misunderstand me here,i did not say they wanted to get rid of him for racial reasons,what i said was they want to get rid of him because T&T too small to be dictating to the super powers what they should or should not do,he carrying too much weight.Boy i like this scandal too bad,the truth will always prevail,keep waiting for Jack to get caught alyu will get grey.England and the US set up their own self,they going to get caught in their own net.
What's interesting is that all the Caribbean islands were bribed but 13 of them say they never received anything and that includes Jamaica who you all hate so much and who you all say don't like T&T.
What you all don't realize is yes we are the smallest country to ever qualify for a WC finals and that's history but we created history long before that and it's affecting the super powers of Football,T&T is too small to be dictating to these big countries what to do,you know how long Jack wanted to qualify for a WC just to have a little more weight when he sits at the table with them.
That's my reason for always bringing us the race issue,they want to get him out long time,as much as we does say he keeping back or have kept back our Football etc etc in the end judge for yourselves.
I don't understand what England have to do with anything though... it wasn't England who levelled the bribery charges it was Chuck Blazer. If the US wanted to get Jack out for racial reasons why did they wait all this time?
I absolutely do not think this has anything to do with race at all. More to do with allegiances if anything. I find it a bit peculiar though that the countries that are saying that the bribes took place/sold out Jack and Bin Hammam are Bahamas, Bermuda, Turks and Caicos, Puerto Rico....from my cursory knowledge of these places...they all have great allegiance (either polictically or economically) to the US and Turks and Caicos and Cayman Islands to the UK. None of them are what we will call West Indian countries.Thanks Breds, All i'm saying guys is don't hang the man yet,i know how desperate you all are,you all read one thing and i'm reading something else so don't be annoyed with me.
So this all seems a bit strange to me...clearly this is politricks to the highest from all sides,
No no Bakes don't misunderstand me here,i did not say they wanted to get rid of him for racial reasons,what i said was they want to get rid of him because T&T too small to be dictating to the super powers what they should or should not do,he carrying too much weight.
I absolutely do not think this has anything to do with race at all. More to do with allegiances if anything. I find it a bit peculiar though that the countries that are saying that the bribes took place/sold out Jack and Bin Hammam are Bahamas, Bermuda, Turks and Caicos, Puerto Rico....from my cursory knowledge of these places...they all have great allegiance (either polictically or economically) to the US and Turks and Caicos and Cayman Islands to the UK. None of them are what we will call West Indian countries.
So this all seems a bit strange to me...clearly this is politricks to the highest from all sides,
Check some of the comments below the article....
"Are there any people on the FIFA executive committee from countries which actually play football?
Trinidad & Tobago (world ranking 95)
Sri Lanka (169)
Thailand (120)
Qatar (92)
Sri Lanka are behind Chinese Taipei, Swaziland, Liechtenstein, Cayman Islands and Vanuatu (which I have never even heard of) - why on Earth do they have a representative of the 22-strong FIFA executive committee?"
"..why on Earth do they have a representative of the 22-strong FIFA executive committee?'
Probably because they are corruptible people from countries in which corruption is a way of life therefore backhanders and all-expenses-paid Fifa junkets like the one in Geneva go a long way to making them even more bidable. "
"I bet these countries don't even know the rules of the game..."
That last one reeks of we-still-swing-on-trees-like-monkeys........ ::)
Anybody have a link to the Daily Telegraph. I was reliably informed that FIFA hired an ex FBI to investigate Jack.
Anybody have a link to the Daily Telegraph. I was reliably informed that FIFA hired an ex FBI to investigate Jack.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/international/8553478/Fifas-investigation-into-bribery-allegations-against-Mohamed-Bin-Hammam-and-Jack-Warner-takes-new-twist.html
Brown Sugar, I understand your defensiveness but I also understand why people in so-called 1st world countries ask the question. At least T&T made a WC finals. But if you wanted an organisation to run, say, the motor industry, it makes sense to have the biggest manufacturers. Of course, many decisions would benefit them, but then, they have the most consumers, employees etc.
Trinidad & Tobago (world ranking 95)
Sri Lanka (169)
Thailand (120)
Qatar (92)
Qatars entire population is probably less than the number of regular football players in Brazil, USA, Argentina, England, Germany, Italy etc
The devolvement of power is not a bad thing. The problem is, is easy to abuse and manipulate. A German exco member probably wouldn't take a $40,000 bribe coz its too small to risk taking, but to smaller countries like, say, Jamaica, thats enough to buy half a decent house or a nice new Hilux.
Anybody have a link to the Daily Telegraph. I was reliably informed that FIFA hired an ex FBI to investigate Jack.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/international/8553478/Fifas-investigation-into-bribery-allegations-against-Mohamed-Bin-Hammam-and-Jack-Warner-takes-new-twist.html
Excellent that the FBI is on to Jackula and his current disciples of convenience
The latest blog entry from Bill Archer at BigSoccer:Exactly, I have said it here before, Blatter wants to be rid of Jack...not like some feel dey are frens or such...Blatter just had to wait and make sure he is firmly entrenched without Jacko's help..and he did so this time
Stick a Fork in Jack Warner (http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/blog.php?b=11506)
Because if Blatter is to cling to any kind of legitimacy, it will be because he makes enough noise and smoke about "reform" and "corruption", a position which looks insincere if not ludicrous as long as he has Jack Warner sitting next to him.
Long before the election campaign, it was widely thought that Warner was Blatters' biggest problem and the speculation was that the Old Swiss Codger would dearly love to rid himself of the constant embarrassment if only he could.
Well now he can.
The latest blog entry from Bill Archer at BigSoccer:
Stick a Fork in Jack Warner (http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/blog.php?b=11506)
Because if Blatter is to cling to any kind of legitimacy, it will be because he makes enough noise and smoke about "reform" and "corruption", a position which looks insincere if not ludicrous as long as he has Jack Warner sitting next to him.
Long before the election campaign, it was widely thought that Warner was Blatters' biggest problem and the speculation was that the Old Swiss Codger would dearly love to rid himself of the constant embarrassment if only he could.
Well now he can.
The latest blog entry from Bill Archer at BigSoccer:Exactly, I have said it here before, Blatter wants to be rid of Jack...not like some feel dey are frens or such...Blatter just had to wait and make sure he is firmly entrenched without Jacko's help..and he did so this time
Stick a Fork in Jack Warner (http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/blog.php?b=11506)
Because if Blatter is to cling to any kind of legitimacy, it will be because he makes enough noise and smoke about "reform" and "corruption", a position which looks insincere if not ludicrous as long as he has Jack Warner sitting next to him.
Long before the election campaign, it was widely thought that Warner was Blatters' biggest problem and the speculation was that the Old Swiss Codger would dearly love to rid himself of the constant embarrassment if only he could.
Well now he can.
:rotfl: :rotfl: dis is rel comedy
Still a Simpaul Director I am shockeddddd.
“Since this was an extraordinary meeting of the CFU, Mr bin Hammam found it correct and insisted to pay the travelling and accommodation expenses of the delegates, as well as the overall costs of the conference,” the statement, prepared by an attorney representing bin Hammam, read.
“For this purpose, Mr bin Hammam transferred the estimated costs of USD$360,000 (TT$2.3 million) to the CFU prior to the meeting in Trinidad.”
Quote“Since this was an extraordinary meeting of the CFU, Mr bin Hammam found it correct and insisted to pay the travelling and accommodation expenses of the delegates, as well as the overall costs of the conference,” the statement, prepared by an attorney representing bin Hammam, read.
“For this purpose, Mr bin Hammam transferred the estimated costs of USD$360,000 (TT$2.3 million) to the CFU prior to the meeting in Trinidad.”
Brilliant.
If money was transferred to the CFU, then what about the "cash" that was given to CFU members. A money transfer to cover expenses doesn't mean that additional money was not given at the meeting.
If JW number one stooge, Anil Roberts want to know how Bin Hamam could come into the country with all that cash.
We NOW hearing about wire transfer.
I would like to see the next official meeting of CONCACAF; Blazer get fired but he say he eh fired. Austin get fired but he say dey cah fire him. It go be interesting.
VB
If money was transferred to the CFU, then what about the "cash" that was given to CFU members. A money transfer to cover expenses doesn't mean that additional money was not given at the meeting.
If JW number one stooge, Anil Roberts want to know how Bin Hamam could come into the country with all that cash.
We NOW hearing about wire transfer.
I would like to see the next official meeting of CONCACAF; Blazer get fired but he say he eh fired. Austin get fired but he say dey cah fire him. It go be interesting.
VB
The argument really isn't that difficult to follow:
Bin Hammam's only dealing would likely have been with Warner directly. Bin Hammam then insists on paying the travel expenses; which Warner happily offers to arrange. Warner tells Bin Hammam the bill is US$360,000,which Bin Hammam then transfers either to Warner or to a CFU account designated by Warner. Bin Hammam never offered cash to anyone, if anything Jack Warner or his agents did. Any cash offered was for reimbursement of expenses, not bribes. Anything else you will need to ask Jack Warner, once he got the money Bin Hammam left it up to him.
Simple.
What you mean by that? And Who offering the cash for the reimbursement?
On i95.5fm this morning Peter Richards played an interview which aired on a Grenadian Radio Station interviewing an ex Grenada FA president & he said that this has always happened & he likened Jack to Robin Hood. He claimed from the information he has that Bin Hammam promised the CFU members that if he were to win the presidency of FIFA he would double whatever allocation they were currently receiving from FIFA. The ex FA president then went on to say that he was told that the CFU members were told that they would be given a gift & it would be for the Presidents of the Football Associations to use on a pet project of theirs preferably to do with Football, but what he didn't say was whether it was Bin Hamman who told them this or Jack. Apparently some of the Associations are saying the money was a gift so they eh returning it.
What is very clear is that the money was there for the taking.
The host of the show also told him that he (the host) saw no way out of this mess for Jack & asked the ex FA president who he thought should/would replace Jack at least at the CFU level & guess who he said should/would ...........Capt. Horace Burrell!!!!!
What you mean by that? And Who offering the cash for the reimbursement?
Have you been following the situation at all??
What you mean by that? And Who offering the cash for the reimbursement?
Have you been following the situation at all??
Yes I have, but who will be offering cash if Hammam wired the money? Why would delegates expenditure be that much if lodging and flight are covered? Just trying to see how this might have been a miscommunication problem.
On i95.5fm this morning Peter Richards played an interview which aired on a Grenadian Radio Station interviewing an ex Grenada FA president & he said that this has always happened & he likened Jack to Robin Hood. He claimed from the information he has that Bin Hammam promised the CFU members that if he were to win the presidency of FIFA he would double whatever allocation they were currently receiving from FIFA. The ex FA president then went on to say that he was told that the CFU members were told that they would be given a gift & it would be for the Presidents of the Football Associations to use on a pet project of theirs preferably to do with Football, but what he didn't say was whether it was Bin Hamman who told them this or Jack. Apparently some of the Associations are saying the money was a gift so they eh returning it.
What is very clear is that the money was there for the taking.
The host of the show also told him that he (the host) saw no way out of this mess for Jack & asked the ex FA president who he thought should/would replace Jack at least at the CFU level & guess who he said should/would ...........Capt. Horace Burrell!!!!!
Yes I have, but who will be offering cash if Hammam wired the money? Why would delegates expenditure be that much if lodging and flight are covered? Just trying to see how this might have been a miscommunication problem.
Bakes, you make all this sound perfectly reasonable, except a) I very much doubt that each individual nations expenses all equalled exactly US$40,000 and b) why would you reimburse each seperate nation with a brown envelope of cash and order them not to open the envelopes in public?Yes I have, but who will be offering cash if Hammam wired the money? Why would delegates expenditure be that much if lodging and flight are covered? Just trying to see how this might have been a miscommunication problem.
Expenses include l=lodging and flight for the delegates... that is what they were reimbursed for. Normally CFU would pick up the tab but Bin Hammam say since this is ah "exceptional" meeting being convened largely fuh his benefit he'll pay for it. So his argument is that once he wire the money to cover expenses to Jack he had no other dealing. Remember, Jack (thru Simpaul) do all the booking, and Jack quote him the price... so he just pay the money. Now of course it looks as though Jack over charge him and pocket the difference, but if the argument is to be accepted then it leaves Bin Hammam in the clear as to any bribery. Paying the expense reimbursement is legitimate... reasonable at worst.
Bakes, you make all this sound perfectly reasonable, except a) I very much doubt that each individual nations expenses all equalled exactly US$40,000 and b) why would you reimburse each seperate nation with a brown envelope of cash and order them not to open the envelopes in public?
Surely, these days, you just electronically transfer funds directly to accounts? I'm not sure of the limits, but I'm fairly positive it is illegal to carry a quarter of a million TT's worth of US currency out of the country without declaring it, so its likely that each of these executives have also broke international currency laws. I recall that you said that this is not money laundering, which originally referred to cash from ill gotten gains such as drugs or diamond smuggling, but I do believe that nowadays it refers to any money obtained illegally. As bribery is illegal, ergo, if the allegations are proven, this is, indeed, money laundering. At the very least there are 3 reasons for police investigation: alleged bribery accusations, international money laundering by the executives and illegal profiteering by Warner/Simpaul (remember, bin Hammam has sworn an affidavit that Warner quoted $360,000, but Warner states $260,000 was the cost.
Finally, I think there was 24 or 25 delegates in attendance? 25 x US$40,000 = US$1 million...so where did all that cash come from?
My take is this: Warner allegedly fleeced bin Hammam for US$100,000 and that was his alleged reward for arranging everything. The remaining US$260,000 was allegedly reimbursed electronically at approx US$10,400 per nation (fairly reasonable expenses if they travelled business class) and allegedly Warner helped bin Hammam circumvent customs with his briefcase full of US$ 1 million.
Wow! Bribery is not illegal? I would never have believed that1 But I guess all of the attempted bribery cases I've read about were probably, as you say, public officials. Thanks for the clarification! So, bin Hammam has managed to keep his hands clean, while Jack looks like having sticky fingers. But theres still the issue of how the alleged US$1 million got into the country?
Still a Simpaul Director I am shockeddddd.
Why yuh :o ?
Is JW we dealing with after all! 8)
Still a Simpaul Director I am shockeddddd.
Why yuh :o ?
Is JW we dealing with after all! 8)
SARCASMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Still a Simpaul Director I am shockeddddd.
Why yuh :o ?
Is JW we dealing with after all! 8)
SARCASMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Yeah, I slipped there a bit!! :D
Wow! Bribery is not illegal? I would never have believed that1 But I guess all of the attempted bribery cases I've read about were probably, as you say, public officials. Thanks for the clarification! So, bin Hammam has managed to keep his hands clean, while Jack looks like having sticky fingers. But theres still the issue of how the alleged US$1 million got into the country?
Think about it... even during the bid process, prospective host countries were "wining and dining" FIFA executives, giving them token gifts etc. all in the hopes of influencing decision-makers. Business is conducted like that all the time... when recruiting a worker a company might "interview" him over lunch... at the company's expense. Technically all of that is bribery. Most public authorities however prohibit even a free lunch, so as to dispense with even the appearance of impropriety. Some limit gifts to items of nominal value... years ago when I was consulting with the Federal gov't here in the US that figure was $25... try catering "lunch" for a group on a $25 dollar budget, nuff sandwich and donuts, lol So yeah, with public officials it's a different story.
Now some jurisdictions have bribery statutes on their books... perhaps the most famous bribery case was that involving Salt Lake City's Winter bid. Prosecutor's there relied on an obcure Utah law prohibiting bribery in business affairs... and even then they lost the case, the two bid officials were acquitted. So if TnT has such an anti-bribery statute then maybe laws were broken... but I doubt it.
As for how the money got in the country... I don't think that's really an issue. Bin Hammam said it was wired to Jack/CFU. But even if it was cash... from my understanding, most "failure to declare" as it relates to currency only applies upon exit. So taking the money out w/o declaring would be illegal... not bringing it in. Here in the US you can travel with as much money as you want... you just have to declare it. Taking the sums out isn't illegal, failing to declare is. But I don't know the TnT laws inside/out like that, so I could be wrong on that one.
FIFA seeks Placido Domingo's advice
Associated Press
http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/news/_/id/6631565/sepp-blatter-asks-opera-star-placido-domingo-fifa-adviser
LONDON -- Opera great Placido Domingo has been asked by FIFA president Sepp Blatter to join a new committee intended to help clean up world soccer's governing body.
Blatter hopes the 70-year-old Spanish-born tenor will sit on a "council of wisdom" alongside former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and former Netherlands player Johan Cruyff.
"These gentlemen are more or less advisers, they are not the experts ...," Blatter told CNN on Monday during a visit to Azerbaijan. "What they should be also is the kind of council of wisdom, which my executive committee would not like because they think they are the council of wisdom."
Domingo's best known involvement in soccer has been appearing at concerts before four consecutive World Cups from 1990 with Jose Carreras and Luciano Pavarotti, who were collectively known as The Three Tenors.
Announcing the invitation to Domingo to join the FIFA committee, Blatter said: "He is happy, he is proud that he is part (of it)."
Domingo could not be reached for comment.
Blatter also defended the decision to appoint the 88-year-old Kissinger, who has yet to make a firm commitment to become an adviser.
"People say he is an old man, but he is a wise man," Blatter said.
The committee will have the power to investigate and suggest solutions to problems as FIFA recovers from a bribery scandal, which saw executive committee members Mohamed bin Hammam and Jack Warner suspended from all soccer activities during the investigation.
After being elected last week to serve a fourth term as president, Blatter said he hopes to "bring back this credibility to FIFA."
He defended the decision to not have an independent chairman for the new solutions committee, saying he did not want to "open our border and say everyone can come in."
"The football family has asked me to solve the solution inside the FIFA and not outside the FIFA," Blatter said. "We are a very organized institution with 208 associations, six continents. I've put already zero tolerance in the agenda."
Jack to drop Blatter bombshell today
Bombshell e-mails involving re-elected Federation International Football Association (FIFA) president Sepp Blatter is expected to send shock waves through the football fraternity today as the Association’s suspended vice president, Jack Warner speaks out. Vowing that he will be exonerated from the football scandal following the revelation of a series of e-mails, the Chaguanas West MP has promised that it will send shockwaves throughout the world. Viewers are expected to be glued to their seats from 1 pm today as they listen to live radio broadcasts of Warner’s rally on six radio stations locally. Television stations are also expected to carry the rally where Warner defends himself in the raging controversy. He has chosen his constituency, among his supporters—at Jubilee Recreation Ground at Cacandee Road, Felicity—to speak out. He is expected to spend the day in his constituency where he will take part in a motorcade in celebration of Indian Arrival Day.
He will then address supporters on Indian Arrival Day and on his suspension from FIFA. In a shocking move last Sunday, the world’s football governing body suspended Warner and Qatar’s Mohammed Bin Hammam amidst bribery allegations. Warner has since deemed the suspensions as illegal and unjust, promising to clear his name. The Works and Transport Minister was at his constituency office yesterday where he listened to the cries of more than 300 people seeking assistance on various matters yesterday.
Speaking to the Sunday Guardian, Warner admitted he was moved by the throngs of people at the Piarco International Airport on Thursday on his return from Zurich. Warner said he was committed to serving the people of T&T. “I remain eternally grateful to my supporters. It is good to have friends not only when you are up but also when you are down.” The Minister however, maintained that calls by the People’s National Movement and the Congress of The People (COP) candidate for him to step aside until being cleared of the allegations are unfounded. Warner said: “Ramadhar wants him to go, while Ramadhar’s Prime Minister supports the Chaguanas West MP.” He said Ramadhar used the opportunity to gain political mileage in the upcoming COP internal elections that may end up working against him in the long run.
SO?? Any news on Jack's shocking revelations??
SO?? Any news on Jack's shocking revelations??
He ent sing yet. Placido will give him lessons.
FIFA seeks Placido Domingo's advice
Associated Press
http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/news/_/id/6631565/sepp-blatter-asks-opera-star-placido-domingo-fifa-adviser
LONDON -- Opera great Placido Domingo has been asked by FIFA president Sepp Blatter to join a new committee intended to help clean up world soccer's governing body.
Blatter hopes the 70-year-old Spanish-born tenor will sit on a "council of wisdom" alongside former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and former Netherlands player Johan Cruyff.
"These gentlemen are more or less advisers, they are not the experts ...," Blatter told CNN on Monday during a visit to Azerbaijan. "What they should be also is the kind of council of wisdom, which my executive committee would not like because they think they are the council of wisdom."
Domingo's best known involvement in soccer has been appearing at concerts before four consecutive World Cups from 1990 with Jose Carreras and Luciano Pavarotti, who were collectively known as The Three Tenors.
Announcing the invitation to Domingo to join the FIFA committee, Blatter said: "He is happy, he is proud that he is part (of it)."
Domingo could not be reached for comment.
Blatter also defended the decision to appoint the 88-year-old Kissinger, who has yet to make a firm commitment to become an adviser.
"People say he is an old man, but he is a wise man," Blatter said.
The committee will have the power to investigate and suggest solutions to problems as FIFA recovers from a bribery scandal, which saw executive committee members Mohamed bin Hammam and Jack Warner suspended from all soccer activities during the investigation.
After being elected last week to serve a fourth term as president, Blatter said he hopes to "bring back this credibility to FIFA."
He defended the decision to not have an independent chairman for the new solutions committee, saying he did not want to "open our border and say everyone can come in."
"The football family has asked me to solve the solution inside the FIFA and not outside the FIFA," Blatter said. "We are a very organized institution with 208 associations, six continents. I've put already zero tolerance in the agenda."
I think Kermit the Frog free for a couple months.
So, basically, this won't all be over until the fat Spaniard sings :rotfl: :rotfl:
SO?? Any news on Jack's shocking revelations??
He ent sing yet. Placido will give him lessons.
He better pray is really Placido and not Plaxido.
SO?? Any news on Jack's shocking revelations??
He ent sing yet. Placido will give him lessons.
He better pray is really Placido and not Plaxido.
Or even Plaxico
Or even Plaxico
Puppet master still pulling the strings.That letter is blotted with Warner's ink. The tone is unmistakable.
Do they think they would get a better investigation from the Katanga Bureau of Investigation (if there is one)? And if this investigation takes place in Jamaica instead of Miami what would be the difference in the outcome?
I'm just curious as to why, when the Bahamian official Sealy or whoever found out about the bribes money, why didn't he report to the Vice President of Concacaf, Lisle Austin or the man now in charge, the Honduran. Why is it that it was the saint in the form of Ole Saint Nic, Chuck Blazer?
I'm just curious as to why, when the Bahamian official Sealy or whoever found out about the bribes money, why didn't he report to the Vice President of Concacaf, Lisle Austin or the man now in charge, the Honduran. Why is it that it was the saint in the form of Ole Saint Nic, Chuck Blazer?
That is a very good question. I snot like Blazer was the head of any arm conected to CONCACAF or CFU so why him? He isn't part of the ethics committee so how he get to be the one they reported this to? While Jack is unquestionably tainted, I feel Blazer was working behind the scenes for some time to fracture the unity within the CFU so as to have alliances that could prove useful in bringin down JW.
Its obvious to me that Blazer and the USA are hatching a plot to subvert the CFU. I fully expect that should the CFU's top football administrators attend Miami, you will see the CIA & FBI systematically remove each member. There will be the obvious poison in an umbrella routine, several accidents involving vehicle brake lines being cut and the classic poison roti plot. Its clear now that the US President is involved and wishes to remove the power from "all these darkies" in the Caribbean. I already hear that Chris Birchall is earmarked for president of TTFF. :rotfl:
But seriously, I find this paranoia absoloutely pathetic. Their complaint is about a senior investigative expert who is former FBI. Do they think they would get a better investigation from the Katanga Bureau of Investigation (if there is one)? And if this investigation takes place in Jamaica instead of Miami what would be the difference in the outcome?
This smacks of Jack and sounds similar to all the lame excuses TTFF threw up in their court case. FIFA should order their attendance and threaten sanctions if they don't attend. CFU are making a mockery of FIFA's already tarnished profile.
But seriously, I find this paranoia absoloutely pathetic. Their complaint is about a senior investigative expert who is former FBI. Do they think they would get a better investigation from the Katanga Bureau of Investigation (if there is one)? And if this investigation takes place in Jamaica instead of Miami what would be the difference in the outcome?
This smacks of Jack and sounds similar to all the lame excuses TTFF threw up in their court case. FIFA should order their attendance and threaten sanctions if they don't attend. CFU are making a mockery of FIFA's already tarnished profile.
Do they think they would get a better investigation from the Katanga Bureau of Investigation (if there is one)? And if this investigation takes place in Jamaica instead of Miami what would be the difference in the outcome?
Nice James Bond reference. :rotfl:
Better to stroke the dog that has never bitten you than feed the one that has.
:beermug: taking a permanent borrow
This is some real under hand movements by Blazer. If there is a another vote, I would like to see Netherlands-Belgium or Australia get the nod and salt everybody else (US and Hengland).
Its obvious to me that Blazer and the USA are hatching a plot to subvert the CFU. I fully expect that should the CFU's top football administrators attend Miami, you will see the CIA & FBI systematically remove each member. There will be the obvious poison in an umbrella routine, several accidents involving vehicle brake lines being cut and the classic poison roti plot. Its clear now that the US President is involved and wishes to remove the power from "all these darkies" in the Caribbean. I already hear that Chris Birchall is earmarked for president of TTFF. :rotfl:
But seriously, I find this paranoia absoloutely pathetic. Their complaint is about a senior investigative expert who is former FBI. Do they think they would get a better investigation from the Katanga Bureau of Investigation (if there is one)? And if this investigation takes place in Jamaica instead of Miami what would be the difference in the outcome?
This smacks of Jack and sounds similar to all the lame excuses TTFF threw up in their court case. FIFA should order their attendance and threaten sanctions if they don't attend. CFU are making a mockery of FIFA's already tarnished profile.
What makes Louis Freeh a "senior investigative expert"... because he held a bureaucratic post as FBI Director? By that logic we should all be watching our women and wine glasses around outgoing CIA Chief, Panetta... Leon Panetta. Freeh was a professor when I was in law school and frankly, he really didn't distinguish himself to me. That being said I have no idea whether he'd be biased or not. What I can say is that people are letting their antipathy towards Jack Warner cloud their objectivity.
Although you said it in jest, it is unmistakeable to me the hand that's moving the strings behind the scenes here is Chuck Blazer, and the CFU officials are right to protest the heavy American involvement in the proceedings. You think is coincidence that the FIFA Ethics Committee rep at the inquiry is from Guam... a US territory? Guam of all places! Unless we are to buy into the notion that only an American can properly conduct the investigations then I see no reason to want an objective third party nation conducting the inquiry. Feel free to diminish it as paranoia, but as they say, the greatest trick the Devil ever pulled...
Bakes, you clearly have more knowledge of Louis Freeh, than I, however he is quoted as being an ex FBI head, so therefore I assumed he must be both senior and an expert in investigative matters. As CONCACAF HQ is in USA, it makes sense to me to appoint a former FBI person. I see no bias there at all. However, what are the alternatives? It certainly can't be someone from the Caribbean. Maybe a South American? A Canadian? Or do they go outside CONCACAF and Latin America and opt for a European?
Bakes, you clearly have more knowledge of Louis Freeh, than I, however he is quoted as being an ex FBI head, so therefore I assumed he must be both senior and an expert in investigative matters. As CONCACAF HQ is in USA, it makes sense to me to appoint a former FBI person. I see no bias there at all. However, what are the alternatives? It certainly can't be someone from the Caribbean. Maybe a South American? A Canadian? Or do they go outside CONCACAF and Latin America and opt for a European?
I addressed your statement rubbishing concerns about Freeh, to say that we can draw no inferences about his impartiality (or even competency in conducting investigations) based on the simple fact that he headed the FBI. Such a position is a bureaucratic appointment and not one necessarily indicative of merit in the field/industry. Freeh was an FBI agent for only 4 yrs before leaving to join the US Attorney's office in NY. He then went into private practice before being appointed a federal judge, and from there Clinton put him in charge of the FBI. It's not as though he was a career FBI agent who rose thru the ranks. I mentioned Panetta for reference... it would be erroneous to draw any inferences about his expertise in espionage based simply on the fact that he is Obama's CIA Chief. If you look at Panetta's past you would see that he is a career politician/bureacrat. I could even mention Janet Napolitano (head of Homeland Security, and former NM Governor) as well. One can conclude nothing from the simple fact that someone heads an Agency.
At any rate my issue is less about Louis Freeh than it is about this inquiry itself and how it's being conducted. Don't you think it a little bit... I dunno, coincidental, suspicious... unsettling even... that the meeting will be held in Miami (subjecting participants to American jurisdiction should that later become an issue), conducted by an American investigator (Freeh), under the watch of an Ethics Committee representative (Robert Torres) who himself is from an American territory (Guam), when the basis for the charges were already investigated by an American (Collins), at the behest of another American (Blazer)?
Even if you say Miami was chosen as a venue out of convenience (why Miami and not another Caribbean nation, this being a CFU issue after all?) Has an American EVER before lead ANY FIFA investigation? And reflecting some of the criticism lodged at the Caribbean nations by some of your countrymen... do they even play football in Guam?? All of this just seem too convenient to Blazer's cause for my liking, and as I've said before I don't trust Blazer as far as I can throw him. Blazer is clearly angling to take over CONCACAF, a situation which would have disastrous results for Caribbean nations. You may not be aware of the "soccer" culture here, but they see CONCACAF as the US, Mexico and everyone else. If they are to throw a bone to any other region it would first go to Central American nations like Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras b/c the US respects their talent more than they do Caribbean talent. We might as well be some backward outpost on the footballing map, and that is precisely how they are portraying the CFU right now, a bunch of corrupt, greedy backwards nations, happy to accept whatever handout, legal or otherwise that's thrown their way. If you can't detect the cultural stereotypes being portrayed here, let me tell you... as a Caribbean national it's very obvious to me, and sadly it's one that many of us are well familiar with.
Well, its obviously difficult for me to see things through Trini eyes on this one!
I see a power struggle between the mostly Warner controlled CFU and CONCACAF, which USA, Canada and Mexico think they should control. Democratically, they may be wrong, but I can see why they feel they should have more power, yet I understand that from CFU's point of view, they need equal representation.
But as much as I appreciate the need to consider CFU's views, it is a case of the tail wagging the dog. Somehow there needs to be a balance where, for instance, Grenedas concerns are considered equal to USA's concerns. However, how can it be fair that each has as much power? Of course its democratically correct, but seriously, not one CFU country will ever host a world cup, so how can each federations concerns be the same? Grenedas vote bears the same weight as USA's, but there's 25 "Grenedas"
This brings you to the next issue. Once you control 13 votes in CFU, you control CONCACAF. Considering the "us against them" attitude, which is also displayed blatently on this site, obtaining 13 votes by fair means or foul is not difficult.
So, maybe Blazer has learned from the master? Maybe he has "out Jacked" Jack. If Blazer convinced 5 nations to turn on Jack doesn't that remind you of Jacks divide and conquer strategy with the players?
Well, its obviously difficult for me to see things through Trini eyes on this one!
I see a power struggle between the mostly Warner controlled CFU and CONCACAF, which USA, Canada and Mexico think they should control. Democratically, they may be wrong, but I can see why they feel they should have more power, yet I understand that from CFU's point of view, they need equal representation.
But as much as I appreciate the need to consider CFU's views, it is a case of the tail wagging the dog. Somehow there needs to be a balance where, for instance, Grenedas concerns are considered equal to USA's concerns. However, how can it be fair that each has as much power? Of course its democratically correct, but seriously, not one CFU country will ever host a world cup, so how can each federations concerns be the same? Grenedas vote bears the same weight as USA's, but there's 25 "Grenedas"
This brings you to the next issue. Once you control 13 votes in CFU, you control CONCACAF. Considering the "us against them" attitude, which is also displayed blatently on this site, obtaining 13 votes by fair means or foul is not difficult.
So, maybe Blazer has learned from the master? Maybe he has "out Jacked" Jack. If Blazer convinced 5 nations to turn on Jack doesn't that remind you of Jacks divide and conquer strategy with the players?
Well, its obviously difficult for me to see things through Trini eyes on this one!
I see a power struggle between the mostly Warner controlled CFU and CONCACAF, which USA, Canada and Mexico think they should control. Democratically, they may be wrong, but I can see why they feel they should have more power, yet I understand that from CFU's point of view, they need equal representation.
But as much as I appreciate the need to consider CFU's views, it is a case of the tail wagging the dog. Somehow there needs to be a balance where, for instance, Grenedas concerns are considered equal to USA's concerns. However, how can it be fair that each has as much power? Of course its democratically correct, but seriously, not one CFU country will ever host a world cup, so how can each federations concerns be the same? Grenedas vote bears the same weight as USA's, but there's 25 "Grenedas"
This brings you to the next issue. Once you control 13 votes in CFU, you control CONCACAF. Considering the "us against them" attitude, which is also displayed blatently on this site, obtaining 13 votes by fair means or foul is not difficult.
So, maybe Blazer has learned from the master? Maybe he has "out Jacked" Jack. If Blazer convinced 5 nations to turn on Jack doesn't that remind you of Jacks divide and conquer strategy with the players?
You're my boy so I will be civil in addressing this... but frankly, it's very difficult for me to contain my anger reading this. Extrapolating your argument... then FIFA should be controlled exclulsively by European nations, with the occasional vote to a Brazil, Argentina, US or Nigeria? In fact why should any of the smaller countries even bother trying to have a voice when we could just have the colonial masters dictate to us what's best for us?
Maybe you're unfamiliar with the teminology... but to refer to this situation as "the tail wagging the dog" implies that there is something fundamentally wrong, backwards even, about the Caribbean nations having as equal a say as the North American nations. I'm curious as to why you think that Caribbean leadership of CONCACAF, or Caribbean influence within it... is such an intrinsically flawed proposition. Is leadership capabilities premised on the ability to host a WC, is that really what you're suggesting? Why does each federations concerns have to be the same? Do you honestly think the CONMEBOL's concerns are the same as UEFA's? Or that CAF's are the same as the AFC? Again, your argument proposes that only countries/federations with identical concerns should be given a seat at the table. You complain about FIFA being run by a tiny cabal, only to argue that it should be replaced by another tiny cabal.
What is unfair about 'one nation, one vote'? This is very reminiscent of the whole blacks counting as 3/5 of a person thing in the US Constitution. Voting power was based on population, and the Southern US states had a greater population because of the blacks held in slavery. As a compromise it was decided blacks would only count as three-fifths of a person. I hope you see what a dangerous path you're treading. Finally, if you think the "us against them" attitude (whatever that means) is blatant here... try taking a gander over to bigsoccer.com sometimes and see what the sentiments there are like towards CONCACAF's non- North American members.
No point investigation everyone know Jack guilty.
But what he did is not illegal in FIFA they just embarassed it is out in the open.
I dont expect he will lose his work for this
Well, its obviously difficult for me to see things through Trini eyes on this one!
I see a power struggle between the mostly Warner controlled CFU and CONCACAF, which USA, Canada and Mexico think they should control. Democratically, they may be wrong, but I can see why they feel they should have more power, yet I understand that from CFU's point of view, they need equal representation.
But as much as I appreciate the need to consider CFU's views, it is a case of the tail wagging the dog. Somehow there needs to be a balance where, for instance, Grenedas concerns are considered equal to USA's concerns. However, how can it be fair that each has as much power? Of course its democratically correct, but seriously, not one CFU country will ever host a world cup, so how can each federations concerns be the same? Grenedas vote bears the same weight as USA's, but there's 25 "Grenedas"
This brings you to the next issue. Once you control 13 votes in CFU, you control CONCACAF. Considering the "us against them" attitude, which is also displayed blatently on this site, obtaining 13 votes by fair means or foul is not difficult.
So, maybe Blazer has learned from the master? Maybe he has "out Jacked" Jack. If Blazer convinced 5 nations to turn on Jack doesn't that remind you of Jacks divide and conquer strategy with the players?
Better to stroke the dog that has never bitten you than feed the one that has.
:beermug: taking a permanent borrow
Man cah see de forrest fuh de trees oui! Blazer is ah stinkin rat dat dying to take over CONCACAF an if da happen truss me we go rell ketch we ass wey football is concerned.
Man cah see de forrest fuh de trees oui! Blazer is ah stinkin rat dat dying to take over CONCACAF an if da happen truss me we go rell ketch we ass wey football is concerned.
Yep. I suspect so.
Ting is....how much could we really say that Jack being in control of CONCACAF has done for us?
Jack run T&T football in an unprofessional way to say the least, but we've had numerous CONCACAF and CFU qualifying games played in T&T particularly youth football (most times we didn't make use of)
I'm sure he had something to do with that.
He probably had something to do with T&T hosting 2 youth World Cups. (that prob won't happen again)
I would expect many changes, the Caribbean will more than likely get salt.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the single island single vote become all islands together (CFU) equal one vote.
He on the ropes right now and FIFA prob just trying to figure out what to do with him. My guess is that he prob won't get ban because it better for FIFA to keep an eye on him as opposed to him being on the loose lol.
What benefit did Trinidad and Tobago football obtain from Jack's position? The half spot is the easiest thing that comes to mind. I wondering about anything else.
Now if there truly was a one nation, one vote system in operation, these countries would find it hard to complain. BUT THERES NOT. CFU consistently vote as a block
I guess we assume that Jack pulls the CFU strings, and its no coincidence that bin Hammam met CFU outside of CONCACAF.
Now you all can talk about slavery and disrespect etc all you want, but if you can't see how my analogy of a tail wagging a dog and my reference to the manipulation of one nation one vote was meant, then I feel I may have unwittingly missed something and I apologise if I've disrespected anyone on this site.
In my view the whole balance in world football is misaligned. Football is a sport where performance equals rewards. This is not so in FIFA administration. I would have EXCO members drawn from the top 20 nations in the FIFA lists averaged over 2 years.
Maybe Im missing someting but as I reading it Football Supporter's arguments seem to make more sense if u look at it thru unbiased eyes. Yes we have "benefitted" from some of Jack's dealings but to say the we (T&T) or CFU have really taken advantage of any such benefits would be a lie. The theory is that if the Americans take over then the rest of us will suffer, but we suffering right now!! Do we really deserve our fortunes then if we cant find ways to make it translate onto the field??
Do we really deserve our fortunes then if we cant find ways to make it translate onto the field??
Maybe Im missing someting but as I reading it Football Supporter's arguments seem to make more sense if u look at it thru unbiased eyes. Yes we have "benefitted" from some of Jack's dealings but to say the we (T&T) or CFU have really taken advantage of any such benefits would be a lie. The theory is that if the Americans take over then the rest of us will suffer, but we suffering right now!! Do we really deserve our fortunes then if we cant find ways to make it translate onto the field??
Yeah you really missing something because Football Supporter hasn't at all addressed the issue of who will fare how under a powershift. His entire argument is that in CONCACAF the larger nations should be controlling things and in world football the better footballing nations should be controlling things.
When yuh ready to address those perspectives then we can do so. Other than that it's two parallel discussions that you are confusing as one.QuoteDo we really deserve our fortunes then if we cant find ways to make it translate onto the field??
To ask this is to conveniently look past the fact that Jack Warner (among other factors) has prevented us from achieving our full potential. Your argument then is that because we couldn't find a way to maximize our opportunities with the pittance we got under Jack we deserve nothing. Sounds jokey, right?
Bakes, as you said, we're good, right? But even though I offer reasonable points and alternatives, you seem focused on shooting me, and everyone else, down. Now everyone has their own viewpoints, and they may be flawed, but at least weigh them up instead of cherry picking the parts you can attack. I was tempted to say that "if I say snow is white, you'd say snow is not really white at all", but then I actually thought you may read something about race into that!
Maybe its your legal training, but you take a statement and twist it to fit your argument.
Of course every Caribbean nation is currently tainted by this bribes scandal. They were the only ones there. 13 say it didn't happen, 4 say it did, 8 can't seem to remember one way or the other, theres photos (which, of course could be faked). Add to that the continual 20 years worth of alleged corruption by Jack, and of course the world is suspicious. Now, I'm not saying this is fair, and I'm getting tired of folks in UK and USA taking the p*ss out of T&T, a country I have chosen to live in, but I understand why. You understand as well, but you won't acknowledge it.
As for USA, I really don't know if their investigation would be fair, but I think theres a good chance it will be transparent.
And yes, I am dismissive of CFU because it is a cabul. It is run by and for Jack Warner. All of the well meaning programmes that could have been created have been left on the shelf because theres no money in it for Jack. Wheres the Caribbean Football Academy? That would be one positive step. How about instead of T&T hosting an U17 world cup, it is shared with Grenada or St Lucia a la Japan/Korea? FIFA are supposed to be promoting new markets, so why not spread the joy?
As for your last statement, it proves my point. Competency? You really feel that Qatar hosting a world cup is competent? I expressly pointed out that although they may not all be the best administrators, they should certainly have some level of expertise and experience. Are you really suggesting that the guy from Thailand with a population of 67 million knows more about the business of domestic football than a guy from Netherlands (population 16 million). You ever heard the saying "It ain't the size of the wand, its the magic in it"
I'm happy to argue the points mate, and I'll gladly accept your views, but all the time you just want to nay say peoples views, whats the point? This isn't a courtroom, its a discussion forum. Seriously tell me that theres not one line of my previous post you don't see any logic in.
I was tempted to say that "if I say snow is white, you'd say snow is not really white at all", but then I actually thought you may read something about race into that!
Maybe its your legal training, but you take a statement and twist it to fit your argument.
Of course every Caribbean nation is currently tainted by this bribes scandal. They were the only ones there.
Well, I think its fairly obvious, but in case you haven't worked it out, Blazer will horsetrade with CFU members to get their support on his proposals and throw a few crumbs down to the Caribbean. Like, maybe an U17 WC. Thing is, whoever is in charge, I don't think they can justify more tournaments in the Caribbean for a few years. Because of the CFU powerbase, whoever runs CONCACAF has to stroke them to get votes through. He may try to divide and conquer, but that would mean gaining 13 of the 25 and I don't think thats possible. I honestly don't think much will change except T&T won't receive the benefits Jack has bestowed upon us, and maybe other Caribbean countries will. (And, by the way, the reason I keep referring to CFU and not Caribbean nations, is that is easier to type....there really is no political or racist agenda here, just tired fingers!)
Bakes, maybe I'm just not making myself clear, so, again I apologise. But I never once said that no one in the Caribbean is competent to run an investigation. My point was simple and obvious. To the world outside of the Caribbean, it looks like Caribbean administrators were involved in some capacity in a bribery situation and it now appears that those same people are covering it up. In order to maintain a veneer of impartiality, I stated that I believe the investigation should be carried out by someone else. I never, ever stated that Freeh is more capable than anyone from the Caribbean, just that he is NOT FROM THE CARIBBEAN.
Yes, there are people out there who believe every one from the Caribbean is corruptable. I don't believe this, I'm just trying to add perspective from a "foreigners" viewpoint. If you don't like that fact, you have to look at the people who project the Caribbean as "banana republics" like Mr Warner. He is probably now recognised as the most corrupt football official on the planet. Blame him. Africa used to be tagged as corruptable, but thanks to Jack, now its the Caribbean. I can't help this attitude from overseas, I'm just bringing home the reality.
I know this analogy is not good, but you will get my meaning. If you have a chinese guy who murders a white guy from, say Southampton, would you allow a jury of white guys from Southampton to give a verdict? Now these guys could be perfect citizens, but would you chance it? Thats all I'm pointing out, playing devils advocate and trying to show how the outside world sees this. Again, I mean no disrespect to you, people of T&T or the Caribbean.
On another subject Bakes, how can it be that Gibbs won't investigate? Surely theres probable cause for an investigation? With the worlds eyes on Jack, this just adds to the notion I referred to above. I'm not saying sack Jack, but there are statements accusing Jack of being involved and at the very least, of someone carrying undeclared funds into the country. Isn't that the job of GIbbs - to investigate if laws are broken? Or does he only act on definates such as a dead body with gunshot wounds? This stinks of political involvement in the laws of T&T.
Bakes, maybe I'm just not making myself clear, so, again I apologise. But I never once said that no one in the Caribbean is competent to run an investigation. My point was simple and obvious. To the world outside of the Caribbean, it looks like Caribbean administrators were involved in some capacity in a bribery situation and it now appears that those same people are covering it up. In order to maintain a veneer of impartiality, I stated that I believe the investigation should be carried out by someone else. I never, ever stated that Freeh is more capable than anyone from the Caribbean, just that he is NOT FROM THE CARIBBEAN.
Yes, there are people out there who believe every one from the Caribbean is corruptable. I don't believe this, I'm just trying to add perspective from a "foreigners" viewpoint. If you don't like that fact, you have to look at the people who project the Caribbean as "banana republics" like Mr Warner. He is probably now recognised as the most corrupt football official on the planet. Blame him. Africa used to be tagged as corruptable, but thanks to Jack, now its the Caribbean. I can't help this attitude from overseas, I'm just bringing home the reality.
I know this analogy is not good, but you will get my meaning. If you have a chinese guy who murders a white guy from, say Southampton, would you allow a jury of white guys from Southampton to give a verdict? Now these guys could be perfect citizens, but would you chance it? Thats all I'm pointing out, playing devils advocate and trying to show how the outside world sees this. Again, I mean no disrespect to you, people of T&T or the Caribbean.
On another subject Bakes, how can it be that Gibbs won't investigate? Surely theres probable cause for an investigation? With the worlds eyes on Jack, this just adds to the notion I referred to above. I'm not saying sack Jack, but there are statements accusing Jack of being involved and at the very least, of someone carrying undeclared funds into the country. Isn't that the job of GIbbs - to investigate if laws are broken? Or does he only act on definates such as a dead body with gunshot wounds? This stinks of political involvement in the laws of T&T.
There seems to be a debate about what is preferable; a less influential but perhaps more ethical CFU or a more influential yet perhaps ethically challenged CFU. For myself, the CFU can be an institution that embodies true transparency and the best practices that will enable the production of better players, teams, and programs without losing it's ability to be a unified and influential block within CONCACAF.
However, one thing is certain, the present setup is unsustainable and only manages to indulge a select few while a number of people and institutions that can be utilized are frequently marginalized for a number of illegitimate reasons. Finally, the concern about possible American conspiracies and motives is, at best, a misplaced one.
First, CONCACAF would financially benefit from additional world cup spots so to think Blazer will undermine attempts to get more spots is ridiculous. Second, there is no US conspiracy to take the world cup away from Qatar. Believe it or not there are ongoing international issues far more important than football. Qatar is a major US ally in a volatile region that will likely get more volatile in the next few years. No US administration will jeopardize alienating and embarassing an ally of such strategic importance by engaging in an effort to take away the 2022 world cup.
If evidence shows that Jack and good portion of the CFU engaged in the acts they are accused of; they must be held accountable and not be allowed to use the mantle of new colonialism and racism to hide their misdeeds. Too many of our leaders have employed this strategy and its time we say enough is enough.
There seems to be a debate about what is preferable; a less influential but perhaps more ethical CFU or a more influential yet perhaps ethically challenged CFU. For myself, the CFU can be an institution that embodies true transparency and the best practices that will enable the production of better players, teams, and programs without losing it's ability to be a unified and influential block within CONCACAF.
However, one thing is certain, the present setup is unsustainable and only manages to indulge a select few while a number of people and institutions that can be utilized are frequently marginalized for a number of illegitimate reasons. Finally, the concern about possible American conspiracies and motives is, at best, a misplaced one.
First, CONCACAF would financially benefit from additional world cup spots so to think Blazer will undermine attempts to get more spots is ridiculous. Second, there is no US conspiracy to take the world cup away from Qatar. Believe it or not there are ongoing international issues far more important than football. Qatar is a major US ally in a volatile region that will likely get more volatile in the next few years. No US administration will jeopardize alienating and embarassing an ally of such strategic importance by engaging in an effort to take away the 2022 world cup.
If evidence shows that Jack and good portion of the CFU engaged in the acts they are accused of; they must be held accountable and not be allowed to use the mantle of new colonialism and racism to hide their misdeeds. Too many of our leaders have employed this strategy and its time we say enough is enough.
U mixing up US political agendas with USSF agendas boss. One have nothing to do with the other. And call it misplaced all you want but the manner in which Blazer has gone about things is very underhanded. USSF doesn't care much about CONCACAF's benefit as much as they care about theirs, so to think otherwise is dangerous and irresponsible to say the least. You come off as if you believe Jack and Blazer are polar opposites and if you do I might have some real estate that may interest you. Ends justify the means it seems for many. So far is only Blazers allies claiming there was a "bribe" while some are saying it was for a pet project and some aren't talking at all. I know is JW we dealing with so the assumption of guilt is there, but if we are to be objective can we honestly say it is fact that officials were bribed?
There seems to be a debate about what is preferable; a less influential but perhaps more ethical CFU or a more influential yet perhaps ethically challenged CFU. For myself, the CFU can be an institution that embodies true transparency and the best practices that will enable the production of better players, teams, and programs without losing it's ability to be a unified and influential block within CONCACAF.
However, one thing is certain, the present setup is unsustainable and only manages to indulge a select few while a number of people and institutions that can be utilized are frequently marginalized for a number of illegitimate reasons. Finally, the concern about possible American conspiracies and motives is, at best, a misplaced one.
First, CONCACAF would financially benefit from additional world cup spots so to think Blazer will undermine attempts to get more spots is ridiculous. Second, there is no US conspiracy to take the world cup away from Qatar. Believe it or not there are ongoing international issues far more important than football. Qatar is a major US ally in a volatile region that will likely get more volatile in the next few years. No US administration will jeopardize alienating and embarassing an ally of such strategic importance by engaging in an effort to take away the 2022 world cup.
If evidence shows that Jack and good portion of the CFU engaged in the acts they are accused of; they must be held accountable and not be allowed to use the mantle of new colonialism and racism to hide their misdeeds. Too many of our leaders have employed this strategy and its time we say enough is enough.
U mixing up US political agendas with USSF agendas boss. One have nothing to do with the other. And call it misplaced all you want but the manner in which Blazer has gone about things is very underhanded. USSF doesn't care much about CONCACAF's benefit as much as they care about theirs, so to think otherwise is dangerous and irresponsible to say the least. You come off as if you believe Jack and Blazer are polar opposites and if you do I might have some real estate that may interest you. Ends justify the means it seems for many. So far is only Blazers allies claiming there was a "bribe" while some are saying it was for a pet project and some aren't talking at all. I know is JW we dealing with so the assumption of guilt is there, but if we are to be objective can we honestly say it is fact that officials were bribed?
I'm not sure I agree. US foreign policy is carefully thought out and planned. They would try to put a cap on any overt efforts to upset a strategic ally. Look how the UK and Russian govts got behind their bids. Football at global level is a very emotive sport and govts do watch the effects of decisions such as this.
Regarding Gibbs etc, the fact that we don't know if money was illegally brought into T&T is precisely why it should be investigated. Even if, as you say, Jack had the money here, then that too should be investigated. Remember, you can't simply withdraw US$1 million in cash from a bank. So where did it come from? Was it illegally obtained? Were taxes paid? All of these questions are worthy of investigation. We also know that 24 overseas visitors took US$40,000 illegally out of T&T and its now been stated by the Surinam guy that he was offered a number to call if he had problems at Piarco. This must be investigated.
No boss, I think you are the one who is confused. Blazer is not with the USSF. His constituency is CONCACAF. Though he is an American, he answers to an Executive Board that only has one American on it other than himself. Is the US happy and supportive about Jack's impending demise, yes. However, to question the motives behind the moves to remove a group that may have participated in numerous violations is enabling and indicates a lack of belly for the need to clean up football. If they are guilty I don't care if they share my complexion, nationality, or religion. They should get what they deserve.
I think people here don't realise who Chuck Blazer really is.
No boss, I think you are the one who is confused. Blazer is not with the USSF. His constituency is CONCACAF. Though he is an American, he answers to an Executive Board that only has one American on it other than himself. Is the US happy and supportive about Jack's impending demise, yes. However, to question the motives behind the moves to remove a group that may have participated in numerous violations is enabling and indicates a lack of belly for the need to clean up football. If they are guilty I don't care if they share my complexion, nationality, or religion. They should get what they deserve.
I think people here don't realise who Chuck Blazer really is.
I think so in troot
There seems to be a debate about what is preferable; a less influential but perhaps more ethical CFU or a more influential yet perhaps ethically challenged CFU. For myself, the CFU can be an institution that embodies true transparency and the best practices that will enable the production of better players, teams, and programs without losing it's ability to be a unified and influential block within CONCACAF.
However, one thing is certain, the present setup is unsustainable and only manages to indulge a select few while a number of people and institutions that can be utilized are frequently marginalized for a number of illegitimate reasons. Finally, the concern about possible American conspiracies and motives is, at best, a misplaced one.
First, CONCACAF would financially benefit from additional world cup spots so to think Blazer will undermine attempts to get more spots is ridiculous. Second, there is no US conspiracy to take the world cup away from Qatar. Believe it or not there are ongoing international issues far more important than football. Qatar is a major US ally in a volatile region that will likely get more volatile in the next few years. No US administration will jeopardize alienating and embarassing an ally of such strategic importance by engaging in an effort to take away the 2022 world cup.
If evidence shows that Jack and good portion of the CFU engaged in the acts they are accused of; they must be held accountable and not be allowed to use the mantle of new colonialism and racism to hide their misdeeds. Too many of our leaders have employed this strategy and its time we say enough is enough.
U mixing up US political agendas with USSF agendas boss. One have nothing to do with the other. And call it misplaced all you want but the manner in which Blazer has gone about things is very underhanded. USSF doesn't care much about CONCACAF's benefit as much as they care about theirs, so to think otherwise is dangerous and irresponsible to say the least. You come off as if you believe Jack and Blazer are polar opposites and if you do I might have some real estate that may interest you. Ends justify the means it seems for many. So far is only Blazers allies claiming there was a "bribe" while some are saying it was for a pet project and some aren't talking at all. I know is JW we dealing with so the assumption of guilt is there, but if we are to be objective can we honestly say it is fact that officials were bribed?
I'm not sure I agree. US foreign policy is carefully thought out and planned. They would try to put a cap on any overt efforts to upset a strategic ally. Look how the UK and Russian govts got behind their bids. Football at global level is a very emotive sport and govts do watch the effects of decisions such as this.
Regarding Gibbs etc, the fact that we don't know if money was illegally brought into T&T is precisely why it should be investigated. Even if, as you say, Jack had the money here, then that too should be investigated. Remember, you can't simply withdraw US$1 million in cash from a bank. So where did it come from? Was it illegally obtained? Were taxes paid? All of these questions are worthy of investigation. We also know that 24 overseas visitors took US$40,000 illegally out of T&T and its now been stated by the Surinam guy that he was offered a number to call if he had problems at Piarco. This must be investigated.
Has anyone lodged an official complaint of wrong doing though? If not Gibbs cah just jump an say "dis eh right, I goin een"
Watch nah,
As I follow this fascinating story, it is becoming clear that this cancerous filthy double dealin' by Jackula is going to cause a toxic drip-drip daily corrosion of his already poor credibility and permanently damage his cowardly yes-men as they get stuck being forced to lie and retract as pressure builds for people to ask what really goin' orn with dis and dat ... de brown envelope ... de travel angency .... de missing 100,000 dullas .... who took de call to say "call meh if yuh any worries when yuh pass tru Piarco wit' de suitcase" ... "Breaking news from Suriname reveals confession that a brown envelope containing 40,000 UD dullahs was actually accepted by Mr X ...... Scamps say, the "TTFF books clean, I eh know nutten about any missing morney. Addidas, Lucozade an' dem nevah give me no cheque hoss" ... :rotfl:
What a bunch of dutty kakaholes. They all going dong .... hard!! Mark my words. Coop's yuh hearing?
Iz only so much bullshit, lies, that the newly internet savvy, international community can take from yuh boys.
No boss, I think you are the one who is confused. Blazer is not with the USSF. His constituency is CONCACAF. Though he is an American, he answers to an Executive Board that only has one American on it other than himself. Is the US happy and supportive about Jack's impending demise, yes. However, to question the motives behind the moves to remove a group that may have participated in numerous violations is enabling and indicates a lack of belly for the need to clean up football. If they are guilty I don't care if they share my complexion, nationality, or religion. They should get what they deserve.
As football supporter implied, a number of changes will be orchestrated by Blazer and all he would need is to get half of the CFU countries to find something in those changes that are beneficial to their federations or their personal interests. One thing I can't understand in the concern about whether the CFU will be marginalized under new management. What program of significance did the present CFU introduce that truly improved football in the Caribbean. Better yet, what has the Centre of Excellence done to extend itself to the grassroots development of football in T&T? It is a facility that is FIFA financed but somehow the only group that benefits is Joe Public and the Warner family. So, if a new management within CONCACAF comes in and creates a system that truly supports football development in the Caribbean then God bless them.
I'm not sure I agree. US foreign policy is carefully thought out and planned. They would try to put a cap on any overt efforts to upset a strategic ally. Look how the UK and Russian govts got behind their bids. Football at global level is a very emotive sport and govts do watch the effects of decisions such as this.
Regarding Gibbs etc, the fact that we don't know if money was illegally brought into T&T is precisely why it should be investigated. Even if, as you say, Jack had the money here, then that too should be investigated. Remember, you can't simply withdraw US$1 million in cash from a bank. So where did it come from? Was it illegally obtained? Were taxes paid? All of these questions are worthy of investigation. We also know that 24 overseas visitors took US$40,000 illegally out of T&T and its now been stated by the Surinam guy that he was offered a number to call if he had problems at Piarco. This must be investigated.
I did not necessarily mean Obama & co gave a toss about soccerball, but that they could exert pressure on USSF if they deemed it necessary.
Regarding Gibbs, you said "I still want to find out what potential laws Jack may have violated." As a man in the legal profession, I am sure there are possible laws that you are aware of that may have been broken. I appreciate you are playing devils advocate and adding balance to weigh against the anti Warner vibe here, but I have previously listed several laws that I feel may have been broken and some of these have been mentioned in the press. But as a legal man, what laws do you think MAY have been broken?
I simply can't see why Gibbs should not investigate. However, he has now announced he is requesting files from FIFA. Now that should bother any neutral.
dey still had to go through Miami to get to the Bahamas.Dey could hold people on dey way back.
"I don't understand... WHAT is it that you (and Hinds) want Gibbs to investigate?? Where the cash came from? Is that the smoking gun you're looking for? Do you even know what the penalty for that offense is? I just get the feeling that you're so desperate for them to get Warner... on ANYTHING... that you're clinging to this issue with both hands. I honestly think you'll be disappointed in the end... this is a slap on the wrist offense, likely payable by fine."
I believe the penalty is double the amount brought into the country and/or 8 years imprisonment.
And as you quite rightly pointed out, you don't know if the cash was brought into the country. That implies that also, you don't know is WASN'T brought into the country. What we do both know is that a large some of foreign currency was allegedly dispersed in Trinidad. That then logically leads to the question, "where did it come from?". Assuming it didn't enter the country illegally, I believe the source should be confirmed. Jack could simply show Gibbs the source of the funds and there would be no need to continue investigations.
To the majority of T&T citizens, TT$6 million is an unimaginable amount of money. Customs, Inland Revenue and Police should all be interested in its source. Regardless of who the alleged culprit is, it should be looked into. Whether the suspect is Jack, Camps, Rowley, Kamla, Dwight Yorke, Bunji Garlin, whoever, it should be resolved through the relevent authorities.
I apologise for the devils advocate statement, I truly believed you were taking that stance.
bin Hammam wired US$360,000 to CFU. Warner has confirmed that total costs were US$260,000. According to some eye witness statements, all 25 CFU nations were offered a brown envelope containing US$40,000, US$1 million in total.
I'm assuming there are different laws in T&T & USA than in England, because the British police can detain anyone they suspect of a crime. They can demand confirmation of the source of funds, even £10. Now, of course, they need to prove they had a certain degree of evidence otherwise they can be sued for wrongful arrest. In a case such as this, they would probably either request an interview with Mr Warner or invite him to the police station to "help with their enquiries". Mr Warner would no doubt attend with his lawyer. At this point there are two outcomes: Mr Warner would answer the questions and the police would recognise their is no crime to investigate, or Mr Lalla would advise his client to answer every question with "no comment". This would then lead the police to continue their enquiries and apply to a judge for a warrent to access Mr Warner's financial affairs.
Because the police would have several items pointing to an actual crime being committed, i.e. a photograph of a brown envelope containing US$40,000 allegedly taken at the CFU conference, at least 3 sworn affidavits confirming the envelopes were distributed by CFU officials, a statement alledging a CFU official provided a phone number in case there were problems taking the money out of Trinidad via Piarco, they would probably be granted a warrant by the judge.
As I keep pointing out, nobody here knows if a crime was commited and if it was, if Jack was involved. Thats why the police need to investigate. It appears as if a crime has taken place. FIFA, for whatever reason, have decided to launch an investigation which has public interest. The police should investigate.
As for your statement about an arrested man with $10,000, I would believe that any police force in the world has a right to determine the source of the cash. All he has to do is show the source, such as a bank statement, betting slip, whatever. If you're innocent, why should it bother you? If you can't prove the source of the funds, I believe the police can hold the money until proof of ownership is provided. What kind of police force can't make inquiries if it suspects laws are broken? In fact, police often arrest people they suspect of planning to commit a crime, I think its something like "conspiring to commit an offence". Crime prevention as they call it. So, its logical that if you can be arrested for planning a crime, but not yet actually committed a crime, surely you can be investigated if there is proof a crime has been committed and you're a suspect?
Elan, try and maintain focus... nobody's talking about opening a bank account here. Jack don't have to show anything just because he "allegedly" was in possession of large sums of cash.
If police hold a man walking down the street and find $10,000 cash on him do you think they can force him to tell them the source of the money or how it got into TnT? If you do then you have another thing coming to you. Just
Elan, try and maintain focus... nobody's talking about opening a bank account here. Jack don't have to show anything just because he "allegedly" was in possession of large sums of cash.
You saidIf police hold a man walking down the street and find $10,000 cash on him do you think they can force him to tell them the source of the money or how it got into TnT? If you do then you have another thing coming to you. Just
I said you have to explain to the police where you get that money. I just added the bank account part to try to explashiate....daiz all. But again, you must tell the police where you get that money or you eh going anywhere.
As we have often commented in this discussion, I know little about the details of law. I have been trained in money laundering a financial adviser specifically when it involves tax evasion. I appreciate I may be misguided as UK law may well be different than T&T & US laws. But this is my understanding:
Money laundering is the practice of disguising the origins of illegally-obtained money. Ultimately, it is the process by which the proceeds of crime are made to appear legitimate. The money involved can be generated by any number of criminal acts, including drug dealing, corruption, accounting and other types of fraud, and tax evasion. (1)
Police in the UK, at least, use this legislation to investigate various types of financial crimes, including tax evasion. The original legislation referred purely to drug trafficking and the oroceeds of crime. (In fact it is believed the term "money laundering" was introduced after the sentencing of Al Capone, who used dry cleaning stores as a way of, literally, laundering his money). Although Police may not suspect the suspect of drugs or other organised crime, they can use the legislation if they suspect a financial crime has taken place.(1)
Salt Lake City Olympic bribe scandal.
The international sports community was rocked by a bribery scandal involving the 2002 Winter Olympic Games in Salt Lake City, Utah. Two officials of the Utah committee that secured the games were indicted in 2000 on charges of wire and Mail Fraud, conspiracy, and interstate travel in aid of Racketeering. They were charged with paying an official of the U.S. Olympic Committee (USOC) to help influence the selection of Salt Lake City by the International Olympic Committee (IOC). The USOC official who received the bribes later pleaded guilty to several criminal charges including the accepting of a bribe.
Federal prosecutors contended that the two officials had paid $1 million to influence votes of several IOC members. In addition, they had allegedly diverted some $130,000 of the bid committee's income, and had altered books and created false contracts to conceal their actions. The two officials denied that they had done anything wrong, contending that the payments were intended as grants and scholarships for poor athletes. Following the indictments, ten members of the IOC either resigned or were expelled from the organization, and many reforms were undertaken to prevent bribery. The USOC also authorized an independent review of its practices.
However, the two Utah officials successfully challenged the bribery charges. In July 2001, a federal judge dismissed the bribery charges, finding that a Utah bribery statute could not be applied to the defendants' actions. In December 2001, the judge dismissed the remaining criminal counts. (2)
Non declaration of funds in T&T
The penalty for the filing of a false declaration under the Customs Act is a fine of three times the value of the item not so declared or a term of imprisonment of eight years. (3)
So, again. I will accept that I may be mistaken, and that T&T police, inland revenue, customs may not have the above laws or enough suspicion to act. I will also accept that my interpretation of the laws are misguided. But I understand the law to be a living entity that evolves due to new decisions which become precedents and can be used to support legal arguments. (4)
All I ever suggested, right at the beginning of this debate is that there is enough smoke to at least talk to Warner and make a judgement whether a law has been broken.
As we have often commented in this discussion, I know little about the details of law. I have been trained in money laundering a financial adviser specifically when it involves tax evasion. I appreciate I may be misguided as UK law may well be different than T&T & US laws. But this is my understanding:
Money laundering is the practice of disguising the origins of illegally-obtained money. Ultimately, it is the process by which the proceeds of crime are made to appear legitimate. The money involved can be generated by any number of criminal acts, including drug dealing, corruption, accounting and other types of fraud, and tax evasion. (1)
Police in the UK, at least, use this legislation to investigate various types of financial crimes, including tax evasion. The original legislation referred purely to drug trafficking and the oroceeds of crime. (In fact it is believed the term "money laundering" was introduced after the sentencing of Al Capone, who used dry cleaning stores as a way of, literally, laundering his money). Although Police may not suspect the suspect of drugs or other organised crime, they can use the legislation if they suspect a financial crime has taken place.(1)
Salt Lake City Olympic bribe scandal.
The international sports community was rocked by a bribery scandal involving the 2002 Winter Olympic Games in Salt Lake City, Utah. Two officials of the Utah committee that secured the games were indicted in 2000 on charges of wire and Mail Fraud, conspiracy, and interstate travel in aid of Racketeering. They were charged with paying an official of the U.S. Olympic Committee (USOC) to help influence the selection of Salt Lake City by the International Olympic Committee (IOC). The USOC official who received the bribes later pleaded guilty to several criminal charges including the accepting of a bribe.
Federal prosecutors contended that the two officials had paid $1 million to influence votes of several IOC members. In addition, they had allegedly diverted some $130,000 of the bid committee's income, and had altered books and created false contracts to conceal their actions. The two officials denied that they had done anything wrong, contending that the payments were intended as grants and scholarships for poor athletes. Following the indictments, ten members of the IOC either resigned or were expelled from the organization, and many reforms were undertaken to prevent bribery. The USOC also authorized an independent review of its practices.
However, the two Utah officials successfully challenged the bribery charges. In July 2001, a federal judge dismissed the bribery charges, finding that a Utah bribery statute could not be applied to the defendants' actions. In December 2001, the judge dismissed the remaining criminal counts. (2)
Non declaration of funds in T&T
The penalty for the filing of a false declaration under the Customs Act is a fine of three times the value of the item not so declared or a term of imprisonment of eight years. (3)
So, again. I will accept that I may be mistaken, and that T&T police, inland revenue, customs may not have the above laws or enough suspicion to act. I will also accept that my interpretation of the laws are misguided. But I understand the law to be a living entity that evolves due to new decisions which become precedents and can be used to support legal arguments. (4)
All I ever suggested, right at the beginning of this debate is that there is enough smoke to at least talk to Warner and make a judgement whether a law has been broken.
(1) Please tell me in your mind, what financial crimes Jack Warner may have committed?
(2) I touched on the Salt Lake City fiasco earlier, unless TnT has a similar "bribery in business affairs" statute, bribery typicall applies to public officials, either them accepting bribes or people offering them bribes. Any gift or enticement can be interpreted as a bribe, but such gifts and enticement are a regular part of doing business... unless you happen to be doing the public's work.
(3) Do you have a source for this? Not trying to bust your balls, but I take things reported in the TnT media with a grain of salt. I tried looking at the Foreign Exchange Act and the Customs Act but neither addressed the issue of limits on bringing cash into the country nor penalties for violation of the same.
(4) There are two types of laws... "common law" and "statutory law". Common law or "case law" as it's sometimes called is most likely what you're thinking of as the "living entity" as that changes with each judicial opinion. One can in fact get up in court and advocate for changes to prior case law and providing that one is successful, new precedents are set everyday. Statutory law is a different matter. These are laws and regulations created by legislation and the only way for an Legislative Act to be amended, is by subsequent legislation, not by judges. The only role the Judiciary would serve in such a case would be to either address the constitutionality of the law or to apply the law in judicial proceedings. They can't change it in a courtroom. Laws governing bribery, embezzlement, fraud, money laundering... violations of customs and excise etc. are all statutory laws, created by Acts of Parliament. The court can only rule on whether a person is guilty or not of violating the law.
At this point the police can "talk" to Jack all they want... but he (rightfully) is not obligated to answer any of their questions. For this reason they know they will only be wasting their time, which is why Gibbs is refusing to rush to "investigate" him. It will yield nothing unless he cooperates, and for now they cannot compel his cooperation.
Elan, try and maintain focus... nobody's talking about opening a bank account here. Jack don't have to show anything just because he "allegedly" was in possession of large sums of cash.
You saidIf police hold a man walking down the street and find $10,000 cash on him do you think they can force him to tell them the source of the money or how it got into TnT? If you do then you have another thing coming to you. Just
I said you have to explain to the police where you get that money. I just added the bank account part to try to explashiate....daiz all. But again, you must tell the police where you get that money or you eh going anywhere.
Even in Trinidad... police could ask you whatever they want but no court will force you to disclose where you get the money simply based on them finding you with the money. If you have drugs on you or they have other evidence of wrongdoing is another matter. But simply them stopping you... even if they arrest you for something else... unless they can tie the cash to criminal activity you don't have to tell them anything. This is what I mean by people not knowing their rights.
So Bakes you are saying that anyone can wire me a million dollars and then I withdraw it and the bank or whatever financial institution eh see no problem with this? The police find out and they eh ask me nutten, and even if they do, I tell them is not dey business?
So Bakes you are saying that anyone can wire me a million dollars and then I withdraw it and the bank or whatever financial institution eh see no problem with this? The police find out and they eh ask me nutten, and even if they do, I tell them is not dey business?
It could be $10M dollars... if they wiring it into your bank account then what the bank have to ask you about your money? What police questioning you for... is it against the law to deposit a million dollars into yuh own bank account and then withdraw it? Suppose was only ah blue note yuh withdraw, could the police hold you and ask yuh where yuh get it from?? Allyuh men must think logically and not get caught up in dem Law and Order Hollywood foolishness. If yuh ent commit no crime then you have nutten to answer for to the police or anybody else. The amount of money is immaterial.
EDIT:
Found what might be some applicable laws:
http://rgd.legalaffairs.gov.tt/Laws2/Alphabetical_List/lawspdfs/79.50.pdf
Can't copy and paste the text but it can be found on Pg. 16, subsection (3). Penalties are:
a) If on Summary Conviction (misdemeanor) - maximum fine of $5,000 and up to 2 yrs imprisonment.
b) If on Conviction on Indictment (felony)- maximum fine of $10,000 and up to 5 yrs imprisonment
However where the offence concerns currency... and is more than just a failure to provide information when required to do so, the fine could be up to three times the value of the currency in question.
So the penalty to Jack could be severe... but I saw nothing in the act that directly relates to the issue here in contention.
"if they wiring it into your bank account then what the bank have to ask you about your money?"
Actually, every bank from nations signed up to the International anti-money laundering agreements and cross border financial transaction legislation (which is probably around 160 countries) have to, by law, investigate any irregular transactions. Under the "know your customer" guidelines, an unusual large transaction should be questioned. Now if you usually have a bank balance of $500 and you suddenly receive $10,000, they may not question it, but if you receive $100,000 or $10,000 per week, they have a duty to check this out.
Usually, they would check the source of the funds and if it was legitimate, then nothing would be said. If they are unsure, their first option is to invite you to the bank on the premise that your money is in an under performing account and they would offer you higher interest bearing accounts as well as financial planning advice. At this meeting they would ask the source of funds (which, of course, you don't have to declare).
If this meeting does not satisfy the bank or you do not attend, the bank will then report the unusual activity to the police financial crimes department and monitor your accounts.
There are very severe financial penalties for banks that do not initiate anti money laundering procedures and usually the bank official responsible would be fired if he doesn't follow the simple procedures in place.
NB: In the UK, any financial adviser and estate agent also has to adhere to these guidelines or face prosecution. I have completed many money laundering checks for sums from £10,000 to £500,000 and have never had any client not co operate. If anyone did fail to co operate I would have had to refuse to complete the business as I would be breaking laws. I only ever reported one client to the financial services investigators because I was suspicious of the source of funds.
As I have said before, if you have nothing to hide, whats the problem?
Hmm, so now Burrell is acting CFU president? Now I understand how it works...you get to be President for a week, and then you're suspended. I wonder what happens in 21 weeks time when they run out of CFU countries?
"if they wiring it into your bank account then what the bank have to ask you about your money?"
Actually, every bank from nations signed up to the International anti-money laundering agreements and cross border financial transaction legislation (which is probably around 160 countries) have to, by law, investigate any irregular transactions. Under the "know your customer" guidelines, an unusual large transaction should be questioned. Now if you usually have a bank balance of $500 and you suddenly receive $10,000, they may not question it, but if you receive $100,000 or $10,000 per week, they have a duty to check this out.
Usually, they would check the source of the funds and if it was legitimate, then nothing would be said. If they are unsure, their first option is to invite you to the bank on the premise that your money is in an under performing account and they would offer you higher interest bearing accounts as well as financial planning advice. At this meeting they would ask the source of funds (which, of course, you don't have to declare).
If this meeting does not satisfy the bank or you do not attend, the bank will then report the unusual activity to the police financial crimes department and monitor your accounts.
There are very severe financial penalties for banks that do not initiate anti money laundering procedures and usually the bank official responsible would be fired if he doesn't follow the simple procedures in place.
NB: In the UK, any financial adviser and estate agent also has to adhere to these guidelines or face prosecution. I have completed many money laundering checks for sums from £10,000 to £500,000 and have never had any client not co operate. If anyone did fail to co operate I would have had to refuse to complete the business as I would be breaking laws. I only ever reported one client to the financial services investigators because I was suspicious of the source of funds.
As I have said before, if you have nothing to hide, whats the problem?
Do you have any idea what is regular or irregular for Jack Warner? If he has never recieved such large sums before then maybe based on that treaty there would be actual "cause" to investigate. I suspect there isn't as he surely has had bigger deposits into accounts he bears responsibility for. So no need for bank inquiry.
Nothing to hide does not mean you are supposed to be at the mercy of any and all who elect to propogate stories for which they have no solid proof nor are you subject to any unreasonable standard to explain your dealings. You and others are dissecting this from moral and emotional grounds yet want the law to get involved, not sure how or why.
As for your previous example of a man with a bullet wound, even with all the emotions you could muster up I doubt you honestly believe that comparison is even worthy of a response. I will humor you anyway though. So "Gibbs buying his doubles in st James and sees a man lying dead with a bullet hole in his chest, is he supposed to ignore it until someone shouts "murdah?" No he is not as the suspicion that a crime may have occured has to be there. He in the capacity of law inforcement has a duty to investigate what could in fact be a murder scene. So far with JW you cannot point to anything other than what you "emotionally suspect could have possibly happened." Now read over what I just typed doesn't that look overly rediculous to the naked eye?
Jack Warner could just as easily have a safe with a million dollars in it from which he sourced the cash. If there is a fire in JW's home and while the fire is being put out a safe is recovered and damaged enough that it can be opened but the contents are safe, would Jack have to face investigation over it's contents without any possible cause other than the sum seems abnormal for someone to have in cash?
So now look how Giskus has provided Jack with an out: Giskus said Warner invited him to the May 10-11 expenses-paid conference promising gift packages for union members. The meeting was announced when bin Hammam did not attend the North and Central American and Caribbean (CONCACAF) congress in Miami one week earlier.
Didn't another official say that they were told the funds were for a pet project of their choice football related? Or was it Giskus? Given that Jack usually dealt in cash according to Giskus, the allegation of bribe is becoming less potent. Unless an official can say I was told that this is in exchange for your vote, this will all amount to nothing. And more and more it is becoming an apparent witch hunt/ political maneuver within CONCACAF by Blazer. Dirty or not they making themselves look worse than Jack with this approach.
The thing is, Bin Hammam had already left when this bribe money was passed. In addition to which, I vaguely remember Jack Warner saying in an interview on the last day of the CFU meeting that member would be accused of getting money, getting cars, getting barrells of oil etc. Do I remember this correctly?
The thing is, Bin Hammam had already left when this bribe money was passed. In addition to which, I vaguely remember Jack Warner saying in an interview on the last day of the CFU meeting that member would be accused of getting money, getting cars, getting barrells of oil etc. Do I remember this correctly?
Well BH already looks to be in the clear with his statements as to what he spent and why. Which makes the whole thing even more strange because that would mean (going solely by what has been made public) that JW put the rest of the "bribe" from either his or CFU's funds. If anything the way the info has come out so far it seems as if the $40K that all are alleged to have recieved was a reward for attending as opposed to being for votes. With all the headlines and posturing I have yet to read anywhere that anyone was explicitly told collect something outside fuh supporting the future president of FIFA whom you'll be voting for. Ah vaguely remember reading something so in troot though Jay
The thing is, Bin Hammam had already left when this bribe money was passed. In addition to which, I vaguely remember Jack Warner saying in an interview on the last day of the CFU meeting that member would be accused of getting money, getting cars, getting barrells of oil etc. Do I remember this correctly?
Well BH already looks to be in the clear with his statements as to what he spent and why. Which makes the whole thing even more strange because that would mean (going solely by what has been made public) that JW put the rest of the "bribe" from either his or CFU's funds. If anything the way the info has come out so far it seems as if the $40K that all are alleged to have recieved was a reward for attending as opposed to being for votes. With all the headlines and posturing I have yet to read anywhere that anyone was explicitly told collect something outside fuh supporting the future president of FIFA whom you'll be voting for. Ah vaguely remember reading something so in troot though Jay
That's how its coming across to me also. Just like the Lord Triesman allegations, Jack Warner never told them he'll vote for them if they did X, Y, Z. So far, Bahamas, Puerto Rico, Bermuda etc have not come out and actually said that. In addition to which, the bulk of the CFU have said they did not receive any bribes or indcuements.
Also, how does one define or limit the paramaters of a bribe? What's so different from one federation agreeing to play another federation's national team, an event that would be a high profile, high revenue generating venture in the hope that such an agreement induces that said federation to vote/influence voting towards their WC bid? God knows where the bulk of that money went to. :-X
"if they wiring it into your bank account then what the bank have to ask you about your money?"
Actually, every bank from nations signed up to the International anti-money laundering agreements and cross border financial transaction legislation (which is probably around 160 countries) have to, by law, investigate any irregular transactions. Under the "know your customer" guidelines, an unusual large transaction should be questioned. Now if you usually have a bank balance of $500 and you suddenly receive $10,000, they may not question it, but if you receive $100,000 or $10,000 per week, they have a duty to check this out.
Usually, they would check the source of the funds and if it was legitimate, then nothing would be said. If they are unsure, their first option is to invite you to the bank on the premise that your money is in an under performing account and they would offer you higher interest bearing accounts as well as financial planning advice. At this meeting they would ask the source of funds (which, of course, you don't have to declare).
If this meeting does not satisfy the bank or you do not attend, the bank will then report the unusual activity to the police financial crimes department and monitor your accounts.
There are very severe financial penalties for banks that do not initiate anti money laundering procedures and usually the bank official responsible would be fired if he doesn't follow the simple procedures in place.
NB: In the UK, any financial adviser and estate agent also has to adhere to these guidelines or face prosecution. I have completed many money laundering checks for sums from £10,000 to £500,000 and have never had any client not co operate. If anyone did fail to co operate I would have had to refuse to complete the business as I would be breaking laws. I only ever reported one client to the financial services investigators because I was suspicious of the source of funds.
As I have said before, if you have nothing to hide, whats the problem?
As I have said before, if you have nothing to hide, whats the problem?
1. "Irregular transactions" was my terminology. As legal people drafted the legislation theres probably a whole paragraph to more acurately describe it.
2. USA and UK have the tightest anti financial crime legislation/laws/whatever else the terminology is. I strongly suggest that if you check, every bank in the USA has to adhere to the stringent money laundering laws in place or risk large fines. They do monitor large or unusual transactions and they do report this to the authorities.
3. Despite your protest about your personal rights being infringed, these laws are used to track and arrest terrorists, drug dealers, human traffickers etc. I am 100% in favour of the authorities ability to ask me any damn question they want if it means my family and friends live in a safer environment. I actually feel very strongly about civil rights and personal privacy, but I have absoloutely no problem with my bank or the police knowing the source of my funds.
The whole point of this is that as far as we can determine US$1 million was floating around in Trinidad. If Warner had withdrew this sum from his bank and it can be proved the money was offered as a bribe, a link has been made. Whether or not a crime has been committed, it certainly is not appropriate behaviour for a politician. However, I don't think Jack withdrew the money, I'm guessing bin Hammam brought the cash into T&T. As you are aware, this is illegal. I can see no reason why Warner would use his cash to attempt to bribe CFU officials. I'm sure if he just asked, they would back him. bin Hammam on the other hand, would certainly see the benefit of having a block vote of 25 from CFU.
the two ah alyuh still with this back and forth?? is a week now man lol
the two ah alyuh still with this back and forth?? is a week now man lol
the two ah alyuh still with this back and forth?? is a week now man lol
Yeah, and we're both getting tired of it lol. I guess we have to agree to disagree! Bakes, you think I'm wrong, I think you're wrong and all this time, they still ain't catch no one!!
the two ah alyuh still with this back and forth?? is a week now man lol
Yeah, and we're both getting tired of it lol. I guess we have to agree to disagree! Bakes, you think I'm wrong, I think you're wrong and all this time, they still ain't catch no one!!
The difference is that one of us is armed with facts... not conjecture
;D
the two ah alyuh still with this back and forth?? is a week now man lol
If again! is better they have a live debate or a town hall meeting
the two ah alyuh still with this back and forth?? is a week now man lol
If again! is better they have a live debate or a town hall meeting
FS go lose doh, because he arguing morals and emotions not facts. Up to now I still want to know what potential proof is available that JW broke any laws? So far nothing but smoke and mirrors in an attempt to get people like FS hot and bothered enough to call for investigations because of the animous they hold for de teflon stutterah!
"if they wiring it into your bank account then what the bank have to ask you about your money?"
Actually, every bank from nations signed up to the International anti-money laundering agreements and cross border financial transaction legislation (which is probably around 160 countries) have to, by law, investigate any irregular transactions. Under the "know your customer" guidelines, an unusual large transaction should be questioned. Now if you usually have a bank balance of $500 and you suddenly receive $10,000, they may not question it, but if you receive $100,000 or $10,000 per week, they have a duty to check this out.
Usually, they would check the source of the funds and if it was legitimate, then nothing would be said. If they are unsure, their first option is to invite you to the bank on the premise that your money is in an under performing account and they would offer you higher interest bearing accounts as well as financial planning advice. At this meeting they would ask the source of funds (which, of course, you don't have to declare).
If this meeting does not satisfy the bank or you do not attend, the bank will then report the unusual activity to the police financial crimes department and monitor your accounts.
There are very severe financial penalties for banks that do not initiate anti money laundering procedures and usually the bank official responsible would be fired if he doesn't follow the simple procedures in place.
NB: In the UK, any financial adviser and estate agent also has to adhere to these guidelines or face prosecution. I have completed many money laundering checks for sums from £10,000 to £500,000 and have never had any client not co operate. If anyone did fail to co operate I would have had to refuse to complete the business as I would be breaking laws. I only ever reported one client to the financial services investigators because I was suspicious of the source of funds.
As I have said before, if you have nothing to hide, whats the problem?
What is the definition of "irregular activity"? Clearly receiving large deposits on a weekly or monthly basis is not by definition "irregular". Nor does any of your scenarios apply to Jack Warner since he regularly conducts business involving wire transfers into and out of the country, presumably in large quantities. I can tell you categorically that banks here in the US cannot unilaterally reveal any of our personal business with the bank to the police... or anyone else, or risk suit for breach of confidentiality/privacy. Nor can the police access that information without a warrant.
the two ah alyuh still with this back and forth?? is a week now man lol
If again! is better they have a live debate or a town hall meeting
FS go lose doh, because he arguing morals and emotions not facts. Up to now I still want to know what potential proof is available that JW broke any laws? So far nothing but smoke and mirrors in an attempt to get people like FS hot and bothered enough to call for investigations because of the animous they hold for de teflon stutterah!
FK, firstly I am 100% sure about certain facts, but I think Bakes, myself and everyone on this forum were becoming bored with the whole debate.
Secondly, I come from a country where any sniff of scandal and wrongdoing is pounced on, investigated and published. Usually, a politician would have been politely asked to resign immediately the media grab hold of such a story. Now this may not always be fair, but the voting public have a right to know if their M.P.s are involved in dubious activities. All I have said is that this whole scenario looks suspicious. If there is a reasonable explanation, then this should be offered. Mr Warner has not offered a reasonable explanation. Not one word has been mentioned about the source of the US$1 million. Nor the missing US$100,000 (difference between the amount bin Hammam says he sent and the amount Warner says he received). Now I'm damn sure that any organisation in the world would simply issue a press release to clear things up. But CFU can't do this because they would then be admitting that money was offered. So people are making sworn affidavits concerning cash that CFU can't admit exists. If, as some officials have stated, this was a CFU grant, why doesn't the CFU come out and explain this? So it leads you to speculate and assume (always a dangerous activity) that there was money changing hands but this can't be admitted because it may appear to be bribery, the money may be from an undeclared source and the money could also have been taken out of T&T without declaration.
I don't care if it was Jack, Camps or the doubles seller in St James, someone either has to categorically deny this speculation or it should be investigated. Just saying it didn't happen is not sufficient.
TT Police writes to Fifa
Trinidad and Tobago's Newsday
By Nalinee Seelal
Tuesday, June 14 2011
Police Commissioner Dwayne Gibbs yesterday kept good on his promise and wrote to FIFA to solicit information regarding allegations that undeclared sums of monies, namely US currency, entered Trinidad and Tobago sometime in May.
The letter was written early yesterday on behalf of the Commissioner, and was expected to be sent to FIFA by mid-afternoon.
The letter was written to FIFA following a call by Leader of the Opposition, Dr Keith Rowley, for the police to probe allegations that large sums of US monies came into this country to be used for bribery purposes.
On Friday last, the police service said Commissioner Dwayne Gibbs was not guilty of dereliction of duty for not initiating a probe into allegations of bribery levelled against FIFA Vice-President Jack Warner. The declaration was part of a statement issued by the police service on Friday in response to calls for a police investigation into reports that an alleged sum of US$1 million was distributed to participants at a Caribbean Football Union (CFU) meeting in Port-of- Spain, and these monies may have been improperly imported into the country.
As part of its response to those calls, the police said it would write FIFA to find out whether it had information which it could use to begin any investigation or investigations as to whether any alleged criminal activity took place in this country.
Last Friday in its statement, which was issued by its public affairs unit, the police service said: “Please be informed that there is no dereliction of duty by the Commissioner of Police. The public is hereby advised to date, there has been no official report made by any member of the society, neither has there been any official of the Federation of International Football Association (FIFA) with regards to any alleged criminal conduct offered within Trinidad and Tobago by any named individual, or individuals into any alleged criminal conduct based on reports carried by the media. In these circumstances it is impracticable to commence any criminal investigation into any alleged criminal conduct, based on reports carried by the media.”
The police statement further revealed, “With respect to the alleged US$1 million, the Comptroller of Customs has jurisdiction over this matter as the Exchange Control (Import and Export) Order and the Exchange Control Act provides Customs with the authority.”
Up to yesterday the Customs and Excise had not initiated any probe on this matter.
Works and Transport Minister Jack Warner was suspended last month as FIFA vice-president by FIFA’s ethics committee after bribery allegations were levelled against him in relation to that meeting with CFU officials in Port-of-Spain. Asia Football Confederation president Mohammed bin Hamman, who also attended that meeting, was suspended on the same grounds as Warner.
However the police said, “it is our intention to write to FIFA requesting information which they may have in their possession which may afford us the opportunity of commencing any investigation/s into any alleged criminal
This was the police service’s response to calls that it investigate reports that allege that US$1 million were distributed to participants at a Caribbean Football Union (CFU) meeting in Port-of- Spain and these monies may have been improperly imported into the country.
Meanwhile, Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley said police officers have an obligation to investigate a crime if they have “reasonable cause to suspect that a crime has been, is being or may have been committed.” Rowley made this observation yesterday, 24 hours after he gave upon Commissioner of Police (CoP) Dwayne Gibbs five days to review and reverse his decision that the police will not investigate information which alleges that five days to review and reverse his decision that the police will not investigate information which alleges that US$1 million were distributed to participants at a Caribbean Football Union (CFU) meeting in Port-of-Spain and these monies may have been improperly imported into the country. Rowley said if this does not happen, the Opposition will refer the matter to the Police Service Commission.
In a statement issued yesterday by the Opposition Leader’s Office, Rowley said: “Under our Police Service Act, the first duty of a police officer is to preserve the peace and detect crime and other breaches of the law. In short, therefore at common law and under statute, the police are under a duty to the public to investigate crimes.”
Rowley explained that this duty is one in which officers necessarily have a discretion as to how much resources to devote to any particular investigation and whether to investigate it at all. Noting that this was supported by the Privy Council case of R v CoP of the Metropolis Ex p Blackburn (1968) 2 QB 118, Rowley said police officers can decide not to not to investigate or “expend resources on an investigation” if they determine that the information received is unreliable, frivolous or tenuous.
“However once an officer has reasonable cause to suspect that a crime has been, is being or may be committed, then certainly the obligation to the public to investigate arises. Failure to investigate in such a case must be for good reason and it is difficult to see what such good reason would be,” Rowley declared. He added that the decision of the police not to investigate, “must be exercised transparently, in good faith and must rational having regard to all the circumstances.”
Rowley maintained that the police’s position not to investigate this matter appears to be unjustified, given the sustained plethora of news reports in the international, regional and local media about an alleged incident of bribery which took place on the shores of TT, supported by eye witness accounts, digital photos of bundles of money and a FIFA ethics committee report that there is a case to answer.
Rowley said there could be possible breaches of Section Four of the Prevention of Corruption Act which deals with bribery of agents in the private sector; the Exchange Control Act and the Customs Act. Stating that whether or not there is sufficient evidence obtained in the course of an investigation in this matter to charge anyone was another question and not the question being dealt with here, Rowley said: ‘The question is, are the police under an obligation to investigate a case such as this.”
“The suggestion that a lack of official report or complaint means that the police cannot investigate is so ludicrous that it is bordering on dereliction of duty,” Rowley stated. He added that the police have started investigations based on media reports and the Opposition has made “a formal citizen complaint in writing.”
This is reasonable I think.
Rowley said there could be possible breaches of Section Four of the Prevention of Corruption Act which deals with bribery of agents in the private sector; the Exchange Control Act and the Customs Act. Stating that whether or not there is sufficient evidence obtained in the course of an investigation in this matter to charge anyone was another question and not the question being dealt with here, Rowley said: ‘The question is, are the police under an obligation to investigate a case such as this.”
the two ah alyuh still with this back and forth?? is a week now man lol
If again! is better they have a live debate or a town hall meeting
FS go lose doh, because he arguing morals and emotions not facts. Up to now I still want to know what potential proof is available that JW broke any laws? So far nothing but smoke and mirrors in an attempt to get people like FS hot and bothered enough to call for investigations because of the animous they hold for de teflon stutterah!
FK, firstly I am 100% sure about certain facts, but I think Bakes, myself and everyone on this forum were becoming bored with the whole debate.
Secondly, I come from a country where any sniff of scandal and wrongdoing is pounced on, investigated and published. Usually, a politician would have been politely asked to resign immediately the media grab hold of such a story. Now this may not always be fair, but the voting public have a right to know if their M.P.s are involved in dubious activities. All I have said is that this whole scenario looks suspicious. If there is a reasonable explanation, then this should be offered. Mr Warner has not offered a reasonable explanation. Not one word has been mentioned about the source of the US$1 million. Nor the missing US$100,000 (difference between the amount bin Hammam says he sent and the amount Warner says he received). Now I'm damn sure that any organisation in the world would simply issue a press release to clear things up. But CFU can't do this because they would then be admitting that money was offered. So people are making sworn affidavits concerning cash that CFU can't admit exists. If, as some officials have stated, this was a CFU grant, why doesn't the CFU come out and explain this? So it leads you to speculate and assume (always a dangerous activity) that there was money changing hands but this can't be admitted because it may appear to be bribery, the money may be from an undeclared source and the money could also have been taken out of T&T without declaration.
I don't care if it was Jack, Camps or the doubles seller in St James, someone either has to categorically deny this speculation or it should be investigated. Just saying it didn't happen is not sufficient.
Doh worry about them nah. In the states you cyah even buy a certain group of items together without setting off alarm bells, much less for a middle easterner wiring you millions of dollars just so.
Doh worry about them nah. In the states you cyah even buy a certain group of items together without setting off alarm bells, much less for a middle easterner wiring you millions of dollars just so.
Certain groups of items like what, phosphate-rich fertilizer and blasting caps? Please don't conflate the discussion with anti-terrorism measures.
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Ribbit thanks fuh yuh input... but try yuh best and ketch up nah.
Doh worry about them nah. In the states you cyah even buy a certain group of items together without setting off alarm bells, much less for a middle easterner wiring you millions of dollars just so.
Certain groups of items like what, phosphate-rich fertilizer and blasting caps? Please don't conflate the discussion with anti-terrorism measures.
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Ribbit thanks fuh yuh input... but try yuh best and ketch up nah.
Why you even studyin elan. WDF one ha to do wit de nexx.
Doh worry about them nah. In the states you cyah even buy a certain group of items together without setting off alarm bells, much less for a middle easterner wiring you millions of dollars just so.
Certain groups of items like what, phosphate-rich fertilizer and blasting caps? Please don't conflate the discussion with anti-terrorism measures.
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Ribbit thanks fuh yuh input... but try yuh best and ketch up nah.
Why you even studyin elan. WDF one ha to do wit de nexx.
Must can't study me. Two of alyuh only focus on the most sensational part and ignore the more rational part of what I wrote. Slowly now, what I'm getting at is that things are not as they seem and therefore, it will behoove the government to actively monitor monies coming in and going out the country randomly. Especially in light of the crime situation in T&T, which can be tied in to the movement of money locally and internationally. But you can limit the scope of the discussion.
Doh worry about them nah. In the states you cyah even buy a certain group of items together without setting off alarm bells, much less for a middle easterner wiring you millions of dollars just so.
Certain groups of items like what, phosphate-rich fertilizer and blasting caps? Please don't conflate the discussion with anti-terrorism measures.
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Ribbit thanks fuh yuh input... but try yuh best and ketch up nah.
Why you even studyin elan. WDF one ha to do wit de nexx.
Must can't study me. Two of alyuh only focus on the most sensational part and ignore the more rational part of what I wrote. Slowly now, what I'm getting at is that things are not as they seem and therefore, it will behoove the government to actively monitor monies coming in and going out the country randomly. Especially in light of the crime situation in T&T, which can be tied in to the movement of money locally and internationally. But you can limit the scope of the discussion.
Dude both me and BnS argument was law oriented. My friend as an example is a broker moving hundreds of Ks sometimes, you think the standard by which his account is scrutinized is the same as a regular joe who see's less than 5/6 K in their account per month? Same with JW, all this talk about the amounts and reporting doesn't have the same value when dealing with someone who is a millionaire and moves lots of money. Unless JW has been tied to criminal activity the government has no basis to minitor his financial dealings. Like I've said before some of you are letting your animous for JW cloud allyuh objectivity. Then again some of you don't work in law related fields and will not appreciate arguments based on the merits of such.
Dude both me and BnS argument was law oriented. My friend as an example is a broker moving hundreds of Ks sometimes, you think the standard by which his account is scrutinized is the same as a regular joe who see's less than 5/6 K in their account per month? Same with JW, all this talk about the amounts and reporting doesn't have the same value when dealing with someone who is a millionaire and moves lots of money. Unless JW has been tied to criminal activity the government has no basis to minitor his financial dealings. Like I've said before some of you are letting your animous for JW cloud allyuh objectivity. Then again some of you don't work in law related fields and will not appreciate arguments based on the merits of such.
Must can't study me. Two of alyuh only focus on the most sensational part and ignore the more rational part of what I wrote. Slowly now, what I'm getting at is that things are not as they seem and therefore, it will behoove the government to actively monitor monies coming in and going out the country randomly. Especially in light of the crime situation in T&T, which can be tied in to the movement of money locally and internationally. But you can limit the scope of the discussion.
Aye, aye....look Just Cool....come back just so, just so....how yuh been boss??What's up princes. nothing nah gorn wid we football so ah lorse interest and went on hiatus from the madness.
Must can't study me. Two of alyuh only focus on the most sensational part and ignore the more rational part of what I wrote. Slowly now, what I'm getting at is that things are not as they seem and therefore, it will behoove the government to actively monitor monies coming in and going out the country randomly. Especially in light of the crime situation in T&T, which can be tied in to the movement of money locally and internationally. But you can limit the scope of the discussion.
Which was the more rational part... that because he's ah Middle Easterner the transfer should trigger scrutiny? I think the part about dynamite and cow shit make more sense actually.
Yuh just being stupid now. If it eh text book yuh cyah deal with it.
Yuh just being stupid now. If it eh text book yuh cyah deal with it.
Yuh right... a FIFA VP wires money to a another FIFA VP who just so happens to be a Government MP... but because VP #1 is Arab police should look into to... help clean up de streets nah.
I really cyah deal wid dat type ah logic.
No again you being coy, you said that the police just cannot look into how the money get into the country and even if they ask JW do not have to give them any detail. You said no crime was committed and the question is how can we ascertain that if no investigation took place. Whatever yes.
Dude was suspended by an international organization, pending the outcome of an investigation of bribery/attempted bribery in Trinidad and Tobago? Is that not a case to investigate locally? You dismissed FS dead man on the side of the street, let me give you one. Your neighbors (husband and wife) next door is arguing, then you hear something LIKE a gunshot and then all goes quiet. You call the police and tell them about your suspicions, what is the next move from the police?
Dude was suspended by an international organization, pending the outcome of an investigation of bribery/attempted bribery in Trinidad and Tobago? Is that not a case to investigate locally? You dismissed FS dead man on the side of the street, let me give you one. Your neighbors (husband and wife) next door is arguing, then you hear something LIKE a gunshot and then all goes quiet. You call the police and tell them about your suspicions, what is the next move from the police?
More nonsense! FIFA is a private organization. No matter the size and public ability to get a glimpse inside it's still private, so suspension pending bribery investigation inside a private organization is not yet a government nor police matter. Apart from all of that you seem to be predicating your assessment on US laws which do not apply to T&T. Unless Bin Hammam is a terrorist suspect how does where he's from even factor into the discussion? With that kind of irresponsible rationale I will have to believe that you are ok with the concept of black men being pulled over in the US without cause simply because more black people (as propogated by many in power and the media) drive around with drugs and illegal guns. Your example just like FS is misguided and incomparable as well.
Consider this, me you and 10 members of this site form an organization. We draft bylaws and rules of ethics and conduct. I want to be head and I invite the other 10 and exclude you because you are the current head. If I give everyone $5K US in cash so that they can vote for me in the next election, what criminal laws of T&T have I broken. When yuh could point to the correct laws then tell me about Gibbs investigating JW. Untill then save that emotional "I hate JW" platform that yuh trying to use as rationale with yuh incomplete understanding of how law works.
Well, I see your point now. A police hears from an informant that this guy called Flickin Killa has just paid out US$50k in cash (TT$300,000).
Thats his business, right? No need to be a little bit suspicious, coz, after all, thats only 5-10 years salary for many Trinis. Its not like the police are here to detect suspicious behaviour or keep an eye out for criminal activity, all the police should be doing is collecting dead bodies. Guess those detectives and investigators are there just to keep numbers up!
Just so you know, that was sarcasm. You keep referring to my posts as misguided and incomparable. Well, welcome to planet earth pal. It is an offence for financial institutions not to adhere to AML legislation in USA & UK, not sure about T&T. Yes, Big Brother is watching you. Again, T&T may be different, but trust me, you start flashing round wads of cash in London and you will attract interest. Doesn't matter if you're black, white or anything in between (in fact, most financial crime is traditionally white middle class).
You're getting fixated on a Warner witch hunt, which, if you read back over the posts, does not exist. I am merely expressing my opinion that this incident should be investigated as there are INDICATIONS that laws MAY have been broken. Thats the reason you investigate...to discover if crime has been comitted. It sounds like you feel that unless you have a signed confession, police shouldn't even pull on their boots.
You're getting fixated on a Warner witch hunt, which, if you read back over the posts, does not exist. I am merely expressing my opinion that this incident should be investigated as there are INDICATIONS that laws MAY have been broken. Thats the reason you investigate...to discover if crime has been comitted. It sounds like you feel that unless you have a signed confession, police shouldn't even pull on their boots.
- Criminal violations involving insider abuse in any amount.
- Criminal violations aggregating $5,000 or more when a suspect can be identified.
- Criminal violations aggregating $25,000 or more regardless of a potential suspect.
- Transactions conducted or attempted by, at, or through the bank (or an affiliate) and aggregating $5,000 or more, if the bank or affiliate knows, suspects, or has reason to suspect that the transaction:
- May involve potential money laundering or other illegal activity (e.g., terrorism financing).
- Is designed to evade the BSA or its implementing regulations.
- Has no business or apparent lawful purpose or is not the type of transaction that the particular customer would normally be expected to engage in, and the bank knows of no reasonable explanation for the transaction after examining the available facts, including the background and possible purpose of the transaction.
You're getting fixated on a Warner witch hunt, which, if you read back over the posts, does not exist. I am merely expressing my opinion that this incident should be investigated as there are INDICATIONS that laws MAY have been broken. Thats the reason you investigate...to discover if crime has been comitted. It sounds like you feel that unless you have a signed confession, police shouldn't even pull on their boots.
What are these "INDICATIONS"... and what laws do you think "MAY" have been broken? I've asked this over and over again in this thread and I'm still not sure I've gotten an answer. You keep coming up with shifting justifications as to why Jack should be investigated... and I think this is why, to me at least, your desire to see an investigation seems more personal than cursory. You claim that he 'may' have violated the Exchange Control Act's requirement to declare US cash in excess of $5,000... yet there isn't even an allegation that he brought cash into the country.... just conjecture... a guess that he 'may' have.
You next focused on the possibility that he "may" have violated anti-money laundering laws... based on nothing more than the fact that large sums were wired into an account (Jack Warner's? CFU's? TTFF's?... we don't know) and that Jack 'may' have withdrawn funds from that account. Mind you, the man has several legitimate sources of large income... but he should be investigated, "if he's innocent then he should have nothing to hide", right? Exploring this logic I even suggested you invite the police into your home for a "pre-cautionary" search whenever they feel like it. I don't believe I got a direct response... the analogy possibly lost on you.
You even brought up the notion that the US (and even ribbit decided to stick his nose in to state the obvious on this one) has AML laws requiring disclosure. Maybe in the UK they go about poking their noses into people's affairs in a haphazard way, but at least in the US there are guidelines and procedures.
According to the Bank Security Act (http://www.ffiec.gov/bsa_aml_infobase/pages_manual/OLM_015.htm) banks, bank holding companies, and their subsidiaries are required by federal regulations to file a suspicious activity report with respect to:Quote
- Criminal violations involving insider abuse in any amount.
- Criminal violations aggregating $5,000 or more when a suspect can be identified.
- Criminal violations aggregating $25,000 or more regardless of a potential suspect.
- Transactions conducted or attempted by, at, or through the bank (or an affiliate) and aggregating $5,000 or more, if the bank or affiliate knows, suspects, or has reason to suspect that the transaction:
- May involve potential money laundering or other illegal activity (e.g., terrorism financing).
- Is designed to evade the BSA or its implementing regulations.
- Has no business or apparent lawful purpose or is not the type of transaction that the particular customer would normally be expected to engage in, and the bank knows of no reasonable explanation for the transaction after examining the available facts, including the background and possible purpose of the transaction.
Pay particular attention to the bolded. I fail to see which of these applies to the alleged transaction at issue.
Hooray, at last you understand what I've been saying!! But first, you keep erronously stating that I find it suspicious that money was wired into the country. I don't, because aside from the imbalance between bin Hammams US$360,000 and Jacks stated costs of US$260,000, I know nothing about any wired amounts. In fact, I recall that it was you who suggested the "bribe" money may have been wired. I believe, and always have believed that bin Hammam may have carried US$1 million personally into the country.
Contrary to your beliefs, police are supposed to prevent and detect crime. As said countless times before, if they think US$1 million may have been illegally brought into the country, they have a duty to investigate. Why is this so hard to understand? They wouldn't be accusing anyone of anything. They would be investigating a very high profile incident.
As for the BSA act, you just proved exactly the point I was making.
•Transactions conducted or attempted by, at, or through the bank (or an affiliate) and aggregating $5,000 or more, if the bank or affiliate knows, suspects, or has reason to suspect that the transaction:
◦May involve potential money laundering or other illegal activity (e.g., terrorism financing).
◦Is designed to evade the BSA or its implementing regulations.
◦Has no business or apparent lawful purpose or is not the type of transaction that the particular customer would normally be expected to engage in, and the bank knows of no reasonable explanation for the transaction after examining the available facts, including the background and possible purpose of the transaction.
I don't care if bin Hammam and Jack Warner are viewed as the twin second coming, walking around with US$1 million is neither normal or without suspicion. Please give me an example where, lets say, Flickin Killas' contractor needs US$1 million in cash. Why? There are so many reasons why this shouldn't happen (risk of robbery, tax evasion, money laundering) but what would be a legitimate reason for a legitimate businessman, or even Warner, to carry that cash around?
And yes, I have come home to find a police notice saying my house has been entered and searched by the police looking for illegal drugs and firearms. It was a shock, to be sure, but after calling the detective who led the search, and who was very polite and courteous, I accepted his reasons. And look, here I am, no harm done, no scars, no shame (except my wife wondering if they discovered her vibrator)
somebody get a measuring tape for these two nah....geezz!!
True.somebody get a measuring tape for these two nah....geezz!!
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2) Stop reading the thread
... it really not that hard.
http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?slug=reu-fifatrinidad
PORT OF SPAIN, June 16 (Reuters) - The police commissioner of Trinidad and Tobago has written to FIFA requesting information on possible criminal activity which may have taken place in the Caribbean country.
A statement from the police’s public affairs unit on Thursday said the letter from police chief Dwayne Gibbs to soccer’s global governing body was a first step to seeing if an investigation was required into the allegations of bribery in Caribbean soccer.
The allegations have led to the suspension of Caribbean soccer chief Jack Warner and two staff members of the Caribbean Football Union—all citizens of Trinidad and Tobago.
“Please be informed that the Commissioner of Police has dispatched a letter to the Federation International of Football Association (FIFA) requesting information they have that may assist the TTPS (Trinidad and Tobago Police Service) into commencing any investigation/s into any alleged criminal activity within our jurisdiction,” read the statement.
The statement did not explain what information Gibbs was seeking but his letter to FIFA comes after opposition leader Keith Rowley criticised the police to investigate whether money was brought into the country without being declared.
FIFA are currently investigating a meeting of the Caribbean Football Union which was held in Port of Spain on May 10-11 with Asian soccer chief Mohamed Bin Hammam.
After the meeting between the Qatari, who was at that time running against Sepp Blatter for FIFA president, some federations say they received cash gifts of $40,000 in brown envelopes.
Suriname and Puerto Rico have confirmed receiving the cash, the Bahamas has said it turned down the offer of money while others, including federations from Barbados and Jamaica, have denied receiving or being offered any such payments.
Warner, who is also Minister of Works and Transport in the Trinidad and Tobago government, and Bin Hammam have both denied any wrongdoing.
The opposition People’s National Movement has been calling for an investigation to determine whether there were possible breaches of laws which prohibit the importation of money to the country.
Large sums of cash can only be brought into Trinidad and Tobago with the permission of the Central Bank and on arrival any amount over $780 has to be declared on customs forms.
somebody get a measuring tape for these two nah....geezz!!
If you and College and whoever else doh like de conversation:
1) Report it to the moderators
2) Stop reading the thread
... it really not that hard.
ah taught fifa does handle dey own affairs and cyar deal with gov'ts?
Not sure this helps the CFU case : "discriminated against Capt Burrell and certain members of the Concacaf through his contemptuous and denigratory words since all the persons who were singled out were of a specific race".
It may be true that all were of a specific race, but thats impossible to avoid. After all, if Blazer had commented about Conmebol or UEFA the same could be said. The fact that all concerned were of Caribbean origin is kinda obvious and I feel playing the race card here is just provocative.
Chuck, jack,Sepp.......same khaki pants. All ah them have to go!!!!!!!
Wow Jack resigns to stop Ethics proceedings ???20/06/2011
came across this article
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/FIFA-vice-president-Jack-Warner-resigns-article750037.html
http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/organisation/media/newsid=1455834/index.html
As a consequence of Mr Warner’s self-determined resignation, all Ethics Committee procedures against him have been closed and the presumption of innocence is maintained.
Wow Jack resigns to stop Ethics proceedings ???
came across this article
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/FIFA-vice-president-Jack-Warner-resigns-article750037.html
http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/organisation/media/newsid=1455834/index.html
As a consequence of Mr Warner’s self-determined resignation, all Ethics Committee procedures against him have been closed and the presumption of innocence is maintained.
Wow Jack resigns to stop Ethics proceedings ???
came across this article
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/FIFA-vice-president-Jack-Warner-resigns-article750037.html
http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/organisation/media/newsid=1455834/index.html
As a consequence of Mr Warner’s self-determined resignation, all Ethics Committee procedures against him have been closed and the presumption of innocence is maintained.
didnt see that comming.......FIFA is real jokes oui, once yuh quit de wukk dey does pretend yuh nver do nuttn wrong
Ah well, Jack could focus he skills on plunderin de T&T treasury
So Jack falls on his sword, and Gibbs can now say that FIFA will not release any information, so does that mean he will no longer investigate? I know we've had this marathon argument about evidence etc etc, but doesn't this look bad still? After all, you don't USUALLY resign if you're innocent.
Jack may spin the whole story and say he didn't want to continue the hearing as it was putting FIFA on the front pages for the wrong reasons, but that investigation would have found him innocent of all charges.
But we, and Gibbs, know the reality that it must have been bad for Jack to resign.
So can/will Gibbs continue the investigation? After all, as far as I was concerned, it wasn't about Jack, it was to discover whether US$1 million had been brought into the country illegally and did foreign nationals fail to declare US$40,000 when they left the country, and finally, who was the owner of the mystery phone number that could be used if there was any trouble with customs taking the money out of Trinidad.
If jack was found guilty he may have been forced to resign from cabinet as well..
Now he stays and everything just remains unproven allegations
So Jack falls on his sword, and Gibbs can now say that FIFA will not release any information, so does that mean he will no longer investigate? I know we've had this marathon argument about evidence etc etc, but doesn't this look bad still? After all, you don't USUALLY resign if you're innocent.
Jack may spin the whole story and say he didn't want to continue the hearing as it was putting FIFA on the front pages for the wrong reasons, but that investigation would have found him innocent of all charges.
But we, and Gibbs, know the reality that it must have been bad for Jack to resign.
So can/will Gibbs continue the investigation? After all, as far as I was concerned, it wasn't about Jack, it was to discover whether US$1 million had been brought into the country illegally and did foreign nationals fail to declare US$40,000 when they left the country, and finally, who was the owner of the mystery phone number that could be used if there was any trouble with customs taking the money out of Trinidad.
Looking bad is evidence of something? If so do tell what.
If jack was found guilty he may have been forced to resign from cabinet as well..
Now he stays and everything just remains unproven allegations
EXACTLY!!
If jack was found guilty he may have been forced to resign from cabinet as well..
Now he stays and everything just remains unproven allegations
EXACTLY!!
It was never going to be in FIFA's best interests to have an investigation. By disclosing the emails from the other FIFA guy, Jack showed he was willing to play hardball.
The scenario was probably something along these lines:
FIFA to Jack - You goin down
Jack - And allyuh comin wit me
FIFA - Hoss....We have you red handed. We have you so red handed that not only will you be expelled from FIFA in shame, but you'll face criminal investigation and prosecution from International agencies, and your position in the T&T government will be untenable. Yes, you'll take some of us with you....but not anywhere near as many as you think. And we'll close ranks and rally as you well know we can do.
Jack - Allyuh go do dat to me? After all I do fuh allyuh and football?
FIFA - Get off your pity pot and spare me your crocodile tears. You're done. However, we don't want a scandal any more than you do even though we can weather it whereas you can't. n But we'll make you a deal. Resign from FIFA. That way you get to continue raping your country and we're rid of you. You can even claim nothing was proved.
Jack - Resign from FIFA? But ah could keep CFU?
FIFA - ALL International football. Any football that comes under our jurisdiction....which is pretty much every form of recognised football, you're out Jack. No football. None. You cannot even participate in "passa passa" football. You're done. Toast. Kaput!
Jack - Allyuh real fork up oui.
FIFA - Look on the bright side. You still get to be a government minister. If you're wise, you would heed one of your local sayings..."eat yuh biscuit and hush yuh mout". You're done here Jack.
Oh by the way.....you need to find your own way to the airport. And here's the expenses for your hotel stay and flight. We only take payment in Euros.
There you go again, trying to pick an argument! Of course it must have looked bad. Never in my knowledge has someone resigned from such roles if they are told they would be fully exonerated. So in your opinion, if Jack was your client, you would say if there is no evidence of wrongdoing, resign from world football?
I never said a word about evidence, I said it must look bad. Its an opinion. Get a life.
There you go again, trying to pick an argument! Of course it must have looked bad. Never in my knowledge has someone resigned from such roles if they are told they would be fully exonerated. So in your opinion, if Jack was your client, you would say if there is no evidence of wrongdoing, resign from world football?
I never said a word about evidence, I said it must look bad. Its an opinion. Get a life.
What would Gibbs use as legal justification for investigating Jack Warner if he gets nothing from FIFA regarding the matter? Don't start taking it personal with your get a life nonsense. You've been advocating an investigation under a miriad of unjustifyable legal positions, I just wish for once you'd make sense of it from a legal standpoint and not an emotional one. Jack's resignation is not proof within itself that there was CRMINAL wrongdoing. So again upon what platform would Gibbs have the right to investigate JW any further?
Gibbs can continue his investigations but he will get no help or evidence back from FIFA!
However he is still obliged to find out and report to T&T citizens if cash was brought into and taken out from T&T illegally and who was responsible and if they should face charges for breaking T&T laws!
Gibbs can continue his investigations but he will get no help or evidence back from FIFA!
However he is still obliged to find out and report to T&T citizens if cash was brought into and taken out from T&T illegally and who was responsible and if they should face charges for breaking T&T laws!
Based on what law, code or statute? You doin the same nonsense fella. Allyuh feel execution of legal process is based on whim and hunch oui. Is there a valid legal position from which Gibbs has cause to investigate without actual evidence of wrongdoing? Why do you believe Gibbs wrote to FIFA to request documents instead of launching a full scale investigation? Allyuh add stuff to the legal code that wasn't there when this started so that Gibbs is unaware or something?
Gibbs can continue his investigations but he will get no help or evidence back from FIFA!
However he is still obliged to find out and report to T&T citizens if cash was brought into and taken out from T&T illegally and who was responsible and if they should face charges for breaking T&T laws!
Based on what law, code or statute? You doin the same nonsense fella. Allyuh feel execution of legal process is based on whim and hunch oui. Is there a valid legal position from which Gibbs has cause to investigate without actual evidence of wrongdoing? Why do you believe Gibbs wrote to FIFA to request documents instead of launching a full scale investigation? Allyuh add stuff to the legal code that wasn't there when this started so that Gibbs is unaware or something?
What I don't understand, not being a legal fella, is this: there have been reports in the global media that the illegal transfer of funds across borders MAY have taken place. There have been several witness statements published together with an alleged photograph. What constitutes enough suspicion to make the police investigate whether a crime has been committed?
I mean, if you had a business and you read in the papers that people witnessed other people stealing from you and there was even a photo, surely you would check this out and inform the police?
I mean, in the same scenario, if you went to the police and said here are 4 statements saying some guy stole money, you would expect the police to interview the witnesses, gather the evidence they produce and then decide whether to proceed. So why can't Gibbs do this and then report back on whether he believes a crime was committed? At no point at this stage has anybody been accused.
Based on what law?! Don’t we have laws in T&T governing the declaration of certain amounts of cash being brought into and taken out of the country so that the right amount of taxes are paid or am I deluded in thinking so?!
Is there evidence to support any assertion that these laws were broken? Any at all? If not then how does that factor in at this moment other than based on your suppositions and emotional agenda?
If the laws of T&T are to be respected regards declaring cash coming into &out of the country then as the Police Commissioner enforcing T&T’s laws Gibbs is obliged to investigate if the laws of T&T were broken and who broke the law if that is the case! What is so difficult to understand there!
There has to be evidence of wrong doing? If I have a stash of cash in TnT and I give it to a family member to build a house for me am I automatically supposed to be investigated because the figure is exorbidant? There is no law against having cash no matter what the amount and I think this is where you and Supporter seem to be getting confused.
As I understand it certain individuals have admitted to receiving large amounts of cash in brown envelopes and leaving the country with the cash and being told if you get any trouble at the airport then call a certain number and your problem will be resolved. That in itself is worth investigating if you want ordinary folks to respect the laws of our country, don’t you think?!
Gibbs can continue his investigations but he will get no help or evidence back from FIFA!
However he is still obliged to find out and report to T&T citizens if cash was brought into and taken out from T&T illegally and who was responsible and if they should face charges for breaking T&T laws!
Based on what law, code or statute? You doin the same nonsense fella. Allyuh feel execution of legal process is based on whim and hunch oui. Is there a valid legal position from which Gibbs has cause to investigate without actual evidence of wrongdoing? Why do you believe Gibbs wrote to FIFA to request documents instead of launching a full scale investigation? Allyuh add stuff to the legal code that wasn't there when this started so that Gibbs is unaware or something?
What I don't understand, not being a legal fella, is this: there have been reports in the global media that the illegal transfer of funds across borders MAY have taken place. There have been several witness statements published together with an alleged photograph. What constitutes enough suspicion to make the police investigate whether a crime has been committed?
I mean, if you had a business and you read in the papers that people witnessed other people stealing from you and there was even a photo, surely you would check this out and inform the police?
I mean, in the same scenario, if you went to the police and said here are 4 statements saying some guy stole money, you would expect the police to interview the witnesses, gather the evidence they produce and then decide whether to proceed. So why can't Gibbs do this and then report back on whether he believes a crime was committed? At no point at this stage has anybody been accused.
Hoss media job is to speculate so all the reports of what May have occured is them doing there job. There speculation however is not cause enough to launch a criminal investigation. If a source in the bank, customs or from somewhere else with (even) anonymous details of what occured then that would be enough to initiate. But to start an investigation based on media speculation would be irresponsible and grounds for removal.
Gibbs can continue his investigations but he will get no help or evidence back from FIFA!
However he is still obliged to find out and report to T&T citizens if cash was brought into and taken out from T&T illegally and who was responsible and if they should face charges for breaking T&T laws!
Based on what law, code or statute? You doin the same nonsense fella. Allyuh feel execution of legal process is based on whim and hunch oui. Is there a valid legal position from which Gibbs has cause to investigate without actual evidence of wrongdoing? Why do you believe Gibbs wrote to FIFA to request documents instead of launching a full scale investigation? Allyuh add stuff to the legal code that wasn't there when this started so that Gibbs is unaware or something?
What I don't understand, not being a legal fella, is this: there have been reports in the global media that the illegal transfer of funds across borders MAY have taken place. There have been several witness statements published together with an alleged photograph. What constitutes enough suspicion to make the police investigate whether a crime has been committed?
I mean, if you had a business and you read in the papers that people witnessed other people stealing from you and there was even a photo, surely you would check this out and inform the police?
I mean, in the same scenario, if you went to the police and said here are 4 statements saying some guy stole money, you would expect the police to interview the witnesses, gather the evidence they produce and then decide whether to proceed. So why can't Gibbs do this and then report back on whether he believes a crime was committed? At no point at this stage has anybody been accused.
Hoss media job is to speculate so all the reports of what May have occured is them doing there job. There speculation however is not cause enough to launch a criminal investigation. If a source in the bank, customs or from somewhere else with (even) anonymous details of what occured then that would be enough to initiate. But to start an investigation based on media speculation would be irresponsible and grounds for removal.
Certain members of the CFU have admitted to being given cash in brown envelopes as gifts while in T&T and leaving the country with the cash. When they expressed concern that they may be questioned about said cash at the airport they were told don’t worry all you need do is call a certain number and you’ll be okay. Yes the media reported this story but it was not speculative story invented by the media and as a result Gibbs as the head enforcer of T&T laws is obliged to investigate if the laws of T&T were broke! If he doesn’t then no one is obliged to respect our laws simply based on the high position they hold!
Based on what law?! Don’t we have laws in T&T governing the declaration of certain amounts of cash being brought into and taken out of the country so that the right amount of taxes are paid or am I deluded in thinking so?!Hoss where did you see me accuse Jack of breaking the law in this argument?
Is there evidence to support any assertion that these laws were broken? Any at all? If not then how does that factor in at this moment other than based on your suppositions and emotional agenda?
If the laws of T&T are to be respected regards declaring cash coming into &out of the country then as the Police Commissioner enforcing T&T’s laws Gibbs is obliged to investigate if the laws of T&T were broken and who broke the law if that is the case! What is so difficult to understand there!
There has to be evidence of wrong doing? If I have a stash of cash in TnT and I give it to a family member to build a house for me am I automatically supposed to be investigated because the figure is exorbidant? There is no law against having cash no matter what the amount and I think this is where you and Supporter seem to be getting confused.
As I understand it certain individuals have admitted to receiving large amounts of cash in brown envelopes and leaving the country with the cash and being told if you get any trouble at the airport then call a certain number and your problem will be resolved. That in itself is worth investigating if you want ordinary folks to respect the laws of our country, don’t you think?!
My argument is simply that Gibbs is obliged to investigate because the laws of T&T may have been broken!
If his investigation proves Jack or anyone else guilty of a crime then so be it but the laws of T&T should be respected by all!!
by all!!
If they leave with it is that Jack doing wrong and breaking the laws or them? Think about it carefully and get back to me. There actually is something obvious that can be potentially used but because you and the next one so emotional and uninformed somebody could write it on ah sledge hammer and beat you with it and you still wont get it. Gibbs is an officer of the law, he cannot without evidence of criminal wrongdoing launch an investigation. Add that anything to do with what you guys are suggesting is outside of his immediate jurisdiction and must be initiated by customs and excise. So until that point what is he investigating again?
Certain members of the CFU have admitted to being given cash in brown envelopes as gifts while in T&T and leaving the country with the cash. When they expressed concern that they may be questioned about said cash at the airport they were told don’t worry all you need do is call a certain number and you’ll be okay. Yes the media reported this story but it was not speculative story invented by the media and as a result Gibbs as the head enforcer of T&T laws is obliged to investigate if the laws of T&T were broke! If he doesn’t then no one is obliged to respect our laws simply based on the high position they hold!
Hoss where did you see me accuse Jack of breaking the law in this argument?
My argument is simply hat Gibbs is obliged to investigate because the laws of T&T may have been broken! If his investigation proves Jack or anyone else guilty of a crime then so be t but the laws f T&T should be respected!!
Certain members of the CFU have admitted to being given cash in brown envelopes as gifts while in T&T and leaving the country with the cash. When they expressed concern that they may be questioned about said cash at the airport they were told don’t worry all you need do is call a certain number and you’ll be okay. Yes the media reported this story but it was not speculative story invented by the media and as a result Gibbs as the head enforcer of T&T laws is obliged to investigate if the laws of T&T were broke! If he doesn’t then no one is obliged to respect our laws simply based on the high position they hold!
I swear I wasn't going to comment on this any further... but allyuh getting real ridiculous now. This is the first time I hearing anything of this sort... do you have a link to this? Not that it really matters, no one has any basis for accusing Jack of bringing cash into or out of the country illegally. None. Football Supporter say how there are reports in the international media that "the illegal transfer of funds across borders MAY have taken place." This is so silly and speculative.... WHO is thought to have illegally transferred funds? Because if it's members of the CFU accused of taking the sums out... how do you investigate that? Ask Customs in Piarco? They'll tell you they don't know whether it happened or not.
Did anyone see Burrell or Austin for instance (or their delegates) sneak the cash out? Minus an eyewitness account you have nothing. You can't even go ask their banks anything because TnT police cannot force foreign banks to disclose information about foreign citizens. So what's left... get the police/governments in the foreign jurisdictions to launch an investigation for you? Satan will sooner sprout wings and play harps in Heaven before anybody put that atop their list of priorities.
Now to Jack... if he is the one who allegedly "transferred sums illegally"... on what basis? Because he allegedly distributed large sums of cash in TnT? There just doesn't seem any rhyme or reason to this incessant drumbeat for an investigation. Sure, it would be nice... but where do you start? On what basis? Jack isn't suspected or any criminal activity... let alone money laundering, so there's no basis for using AML regulations to get into his finances... and even then, all it will tell you (if anything) is that he withdrew large sums of cash from his accounts. If it doesn't tell you that, then you can speculate and say "aha... then he MUST have brought in the cash." Okay... but where's the proof that HE did?
Hoss where did you see me accuse Jack of breaking the law in this argument?
My argument is simply hat Gibbs is obliged to investigate because the laws of T&T may have been broken! If his investigation proves Jack or anyone else guilty of a crime then so be t but the laws f T&T should be respected!!
Investigate who? Broken by whom? See my post above. There simply is no evidence that laws were broken. All we have is evidence suggesting that cash was dispensed in TnT... that's really all we have here. Other than that is a setta speculation about how the cash came in and how it left.
Some of the CFU delegates have admitted to how the cash left!
So leh we hear what Mohammed will do now. Your move Mohammed.
Operation Scampito! Take the TTFF to the Financial cleaners people. Now is de time. Crossroads moment in the history of T&T football. Not that a heavenly sequel immediately awaits but transition is now imaginable to those who could not see.
Hey Bakes, check the news archive video below from yesterday's TV6 News and pay attention to what Rowley is saying about Gibbs continuing his investigations from 4:49 onwards! He's basically saying what I have been saying! 8)
Hey Bakes, check the news archive video below from yesterday's TV6 News and pay attention to what Rowley is saying about Gibbs continuing his investigations from 4:49 onwards! He's basically saying what I have been saying! 8)
Rowley didn't say anything... literally nor substantively. He's just milking this for political mileage... everytime Jack or Kamla fart he calling for investigation, he's no different from either of them. Everything I said earlier remains unchanged... when either of you can pinpoint where the investigation can start and how to do so then let me know. Notice he did everything but beg FIFA to cooperate.
The point I'm making Bakes is there are grounds for Gibbs to continue his investigations whether you might think Gibbs will be wasting his time or not, the grounds do exist! 8)
The point I'm making Bakes is there are grounds for Gibbs to continue his investigations whether you might think Gibbs will be wasting his time or not, the grounds do exist! 8)
Investigations into whom? I feel like I'm talking Greek here... or maybe to a concrete wall. Who do you and Rowley want Gibbs to investigate... the CFU officials? I never disputed that there might be grounds to investigate them, but clearly the insinuation is that Jack Warner should be investigated. Other than irrational calls to investigate him, no one has offered a valid reason as to why.
I have never argued for Gibbs to investigate Jack, that’s your argument! Lets agree to disagree because I am not convinced by your argument about no grounds for an investigation!
I have never argued for Gibbs to investigate Jack, that’s your argument! Lets agree to disagree because I am not convinced by your argument about no grounds for an investigation!
You don't have to agree with it... there are people (http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/) out there still insisting that the Earth is flat. You have yet to indicate who you want "investigated"... there are three possibilities: Jack Warner, Bin Hammam and the CFU delegates. If you're so convinced in your own position as to why an investigation should take place and as to whom, then I imagine that you should be able to articulate that position. If you can't... or rather not, then fine.. we can agree to disagree and leave it at that.
I have already stated my position and will not waste time repeating myself.
I have already stated my position and will not waste time repeating myself.
Your entire position is that he should investigate "because the laws of TnT may have been broken."
Okay ::)
Fact is Gibbs has already heeded Rowely's call and have stated his investigation. He's at the first stage with his request to FIFA for info on the inquiry so tehnically he's already started his investigation so why all the hot air?!
If Gibbs had nothing to investigated why would he have heeded Rowley and started one?! ;)
Fact is Gibbs has already heeded Rowely's call and have stated his investigation. He's at the first stage with his request to FIFA for info on the inquiry so tehnically he's already started his investigation so why all the hot air?!
If Gibbs had nothing to investigated why would he have heeded Rowley and started one?! ;)
To get Rowley off his (and Kamla's) back... obviously.
I hope you realise that the real reason Gibbs didn't want to start this investigation is because the results could lead to the folks who hired him (the PP government) being embarrassed by their public decision to support Jack and your argument about there's nothing to investigate is just a red herring as far as I'm concerned! With that said I hope you now see that I'm not convinced by your argument so you might as well just throw in the towel as no insults or pretty words will change my view on this issue as it currently stands! As we are aware the investigation has been started by Gibbs so why all this hot air because I agree that there is a need for an investigation! You have your opinion and I have mines, so let’s respectfully agree to disagree and leave it at that!
I hope you realise that the real reason Gibbs didn't want to start this investigation is because the results could lead to the folks who hired him (the PP government) being embarrassed by their public decision to support Jack and your argument about there's nothing to investigate is just a red herring as far as I'm concerned! With that said I hope you now see that I'm not convinced by your argument so you might as well just throw in the towel as no insults or pretty words will change my view on this issue as it currently stands! As we are aware the investigation has been started by Gibbs so why all this hot air because I agree that there is a need for an investigation! You have your opinion and I have mines, so let’s respectfully agree to disagree and leave it at that!
What the f**k are you talking about dude? You acting like somebody hounding you for your opinion. I moved on since yesterday, then you came and raised it with me again today. Rather than ignore you I responded. We then agreed to disagree hours ago and I left this shit alone until you asked another question, and I answered. Spare me the persecution complex ::)
I never asked you anything!! I simply made a comment in one of the threads about Gibbs needing to carry on his investigation and you jumped in trying to argue that I didn’t know what I was talking about so I decided to clarify what I said! I eventually realised that we were both wasting each other’s time so said let’s agree to disagree but you seem to be still at it and want to have the last word so go ahead!
Fact is Gibbs has already heeded Rowely's call and have stated his investigation. He's at the first stage with his request to FIFA for info on the inquiry so tehnically he's already started his investigation so why all the hot air?!
If Gibbs had nothing to investigated why would he have heeded Rowley and started one?! ;)
Fact is Gibbs has already heeded Rowely's call and have stated his investigation. He's at the first stage with his request to FIFA for info on the inquiry so tehnically he's already started his investigation so why all the hot air?!
If Gibbs had nothing to investigated why would he have heeded Rowley and started one?! ;)
Actually you are wrong because he hasn't started an investigation. To this point all he's done is made an inquiry into the matter. The results of the inquiry will determine whether he has enough to launch an investigation.
Still, in confirming Warner’s resignation, FIFA in a statement said his “presumption of innocence is maintained” and that the 68-year-old would no longer be under investigation.
How the presumption of innocence is maintained but FIFA's own report linking him to corruption??....ah know I eh the most objective person on this issue so help mih please dear forumites??
Ah next thing, if Jack not supposed to be involved with football at all, then doesn't it follow that he can no longer be involved with local football?? So what it is I read that Om Lalla say he still in charge of CFU and is still the Special Advisor to the TTFF??
Again.....ah confused.....
The 17-page ethics committee document setting out their decision was faxed to Warner last week, on June 14, and three days later he informed FIFA he was resigning....this is the statement that has me riveted to this soap.
Will warner escape unscathed ? will Blatter be able to show " new politics " ? Will the report , now public knowledge, be used to witch hunt down warner ? will warner's visa to the USA be revoked ? Will Warner's diplomatic passport be revoked ? Will wade Mark repeat his statement that " if you google jack warner, all you will see come up is corruption ?
Will Warner prove them all wrong and sue FIFA and the T&T Minister of national security ? Tune in tomorrow ....same bat time ...same bat channel ....din a, din a , din a, din a . din a , batman ! batman ! batman !
leh we see how good warner could bat on dis sticky wicket ...
How the presumption of innocence is maintained but FIFA's own report linking him to corruption??....ah know I eh the most objective person on this issue so help mih please dear forumites??
Ah next thing, if Jack not supposed to be involved with football at all, then doesn't it follow that he can no longer be involved with local football?? So what it is I read that Om Lalla say he still in charge of CFU and is still the Special Advisor to the TTFF??
Again.....ah confused.....
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FF yuh is a real clown yes boy!!!.... :rotfl: :rotfl:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jun/22/jack-warner-corruption-fifa-report
Lord Have Mercy..Jack making me a Christian.
Bahamas, Bermuda, Cayman Islands and Turks and Caicos Islands, PR and DR will be the dissenters in the future CFU!!!!!! Possibly Suriname.
Bahamas, Bermuda, Cayman Islands and Turks and Caicos Islands, PR and DR will be the dissenters in the future CFU!!!!!! Possibly Suriname.
I expecting dat since dis whole ting start.
Bahamas, Bermuda, Cayman Islands and Turks and Caicos Islands, PR and DR will be the dissenters in the future CFU!!!!!! Possibly Suriname.
I expecting dat since dis whole ting start.
That eh no big thing because them ent no world-beaters anyway.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/video?video=channels/339821/1385038&cc=4716
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/video?video=channels/339821/1385038&cc=4716
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/video?video=channels/339821/1385038&cc=4716
Thanks!! :beermug: I tried to watch this while I was in Bim but the volume was giving trouble on this channel that day....
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/video?video=channels/339821/1385038&cc=4716
Thanks!! :beermug: I tried to watch this while I was in Bim but the volume was giving trouble on this channel that day....
Browns, you was in Bim? You mean bin? bin Hammam was in you? You was in bed with bin Hammam? Ah confused. ??? You are the T&T version of Nikita and you slept with bin Hammam to get some pillow talk on Jack? Yuh real wanna see this man gone!! :rotfl:
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/video?video=channels/339821/1385038&cc=4716
Thanks!! :beermug: I tried to watch this while I was in Bim but the volume was giving trouble on this channel that day....
Browns, you was in Bim? You mean bin? bin Hammam was in you? You was in bed with bin Hammam? Ah confused. ??? You are the T&T version of Nikita and you slept with bin Hammam to get some pillow talk on Jack? Yuh real wanna see this man gone!! :rotfl:
embarrassing,embarrassing,embarrassing
The whole world seeing it.
(http://www.prlog.org/10476464-mickey-mouse-party-supplies-and-ideas-for-kids-birthday-party.jpg)country
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/video?video=channels/339821/1385038&cc=4716
Thanks!! :beermug: I tried to watch this while I was in Bim but the volume was giving trouble on this channel that day....
Browns, you was in Bim? You mean bin? bin Hammam was in you? You was in bed with bin Hammam? Ah confused. ??? You are the T&T version of Nikita and you slept with bin Hammam to get some pillow talk on Jack? Yuh real wanna see this man gone!! :rotfl:
embarrassing,embarrassing,embarrassing
The whole world seeing it.
(http://www.prlog.org/10476464-mickey-mouse-party-supplies-and-ideas-for-kids-birthday-party.jpg)country
The 40 gran.....
(http://www.transparencyinsport.org/Wacky_Whacked_Warner/Images-wacky_whacked_warner/3-brown-envelope-full-of-cash.jpg)
Interesting that an organisation can refuse to supply information to a police service where a possible violation took place.
Bakes, is this really a law as FIFA suggest?
I can understand FIFA requesting details are not disclosed to the public, but surely a nations laws trump a private organisations rules & regs?
Interesting that an organisation can refuse to supply information to a police service where a possible violation took place.
Bakes, is this really a law as FIFA suggest?
I can understand FIFA requesting details are not disclosed to the public, but surely a nations laws trump a private organisations rules & regs?
No they don't!! The law enforcement of TnT has no jurisdiction over FIFA. If FIFA were based in T&T then they could use the power of the AGs office to subpoena documents but an organization based in Switzerland? If FIFA turn an say boy Gibbs f**k you nah boy, he cah even threaten them with anything. Sure Gibbs can go all out and investigate but he have to weigh whether he'll be wasting resources chasing something he doesn't have evidence enough to prove nor the the jurisdiction to aquire evidence from parties that may know information in other sovereign territories. Daz why he launch a preliminary inquiry an has ignored all the calls for an all out investigation.
Interesting that an organisation can refuse to supply information to a police service where a possible violation took place.
Bakes, is this really a law as FIFA suggest?
I can understand FIFA requesting details are not disclosed to the public, but surely a nations laws trump a private organisations rules & regs?
No they don't!! The law enforcement of TnT has no jurisdiction over FIFA. If FIFA were based in T&T then they could use the power of the AGs office to subpoena documents but an organization based in Switzerland? If FIFA turn an say boy Gibbs f**k you nah boy, he cah even threaten them with anything. Sure Gibbs can go all out and investigate but he have to weigh whether he'll be wasting resources chasing something he doesn't have evidence enough to prove nor the the jurisdiction to aquire evidence from parties that may know information in other sovereign territories. Daz why he launch a preliminary inquiry an has ignored all the calls for an all out investigation.
I learning a lot here!! What you say makes sense but I'm not sure how this occurs. I mean, TTFF are sanctioned by FIFA and act as their representatives via CONCACAF. They are submissive to FIFA through CONCACAF. So isn't it like, say, if the local Burger King manager broke a law in T&T, and the head office in USA had evidence, they wouldn't have to tell Gibbs if he asked? I mean, if Burger King (USA) want to sell franchises in T&T, surely they must agree that they would not conspire to defeat the laws of that country?
I know that may sound confusing, but I'm sure you get my drift. I didn't realise organisations could just ignore the laws of countries in which their people operate.
I learning a lot here!! What you say makes sense but I'm not sure how this occurs. I mean, TTFF are sanctioned by FIFA and act as their representatives via CONCACAF. They are submissive to FIFA through CONCACAF. So isn't it like, say, if the local Burger King manager broke a law in T&T, and the head office in USA had evidence, they wouldn't have to tell Gibbs if he asked? I mean, if Burger King (USA) want to sell franchises in T&T, surely they must agree that they would not conspire to defeat the laws of that country?
I know that may sound confusing, but I'm sure you get my drift. I didn't realise organisations could just ignore the laws of countries in which their people operate.
I have ah question, could this verdict follow bans for the federations who failed to report the bribe?
"The involvement of Simpaul Travel in the logistics of the Trinidad and Tobago conference raises the issue of whether Mr Warner may have been the beneficiary of related parties' transactions," says the report.
Interesting. You would think that Jack had learned by then that using Simpaul would always raise questions in peoples minds.
I feel this won't go away and the 12 federations refusing to co operate could face a total football ban. Unfortunately, this could finish T&T's 2014 preparations. Camps should be forced by public outrage to cooperate.
Imagine....T&T banned from international football. Journalists should attack Jack and Kamla and force them to either make Camps testify or make him resign, withdraw every single dollar of funding and remove any political recognition.
Of course, by doing that, it makes Warners position very unstable. But all Camps has to say is "I didn't see nuttin"
What we have here is Jack being protected by Camps at the cost of T&T footballs international participation.
Disgusting.
Bin Hammam refuse to cooperate.What's the latest on this Hammam guy?i thought his case and the case of the other two Trinis involved was on the 17th.Anybody in the know could update us?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jul/15/mohamed-bin-hammam-bribery-investigation
i still tryin tuh understand how Sepp walk back into dat FIFA chair unopposed..and have he henchmen so called ethics committee doing his bad deeds for him....
unbelievable....
well if daiz how it play out...he didnt watch enough gangsta movie tuh realize yuh doe battle with d hand dat feed ya...Don't matter what card Jack played he would have get catch,the longest rope have an end and his time reached,the point is they were all out for him,all who was keeping secrets for him turned against him because he was too powerfull and any how you still wanted him to be president of FIFA with all this baggage he has been carrying,i think 30 yrs was enough,he went as far as he could go,did what he can for T&T and himself so now he could relax.
I sure if he did play he cards right...he mighta even be able tuh become d head ah FIFA after Sepp step down but he gone like a thusty man looking for ah quick brush...and tuh make matters worse..he forget tuh hide he piggy when he get catch....
well if daiz how it play out...he didnt watch enough gangsta movie tuh realize yuh doe battle with d hand dat feed ya...Don't matter what card Jack played he would have get catch,the longest rope have an end and his time reached,the point is they were all out for him,all who was keeping secrets for him turned against him because he was too powerfull and any how you still wanted him to be president of FIFA with all this baggage he has been carrying,i think 30 yrs was enough,he went as far as he could go,did what he can for T&T and himself so now he could relax.
I sure if he did play he cards right...he mighta even be able tuh become d head ah FIFA after Sepp step down but he gone like a thusty man looking for ah quick brush...and tuh make matters worse..he forget tuh hide he piggy when he get catch....
Why you have to be so abusive,like i strike a nerve or what?this is what i trying to avoid so i will not answer you,i done realize what you looking for,you set like a Rattle snake.well if daiz how it play out...he didnt watch enough gangsta movie tuh realize yuh doe battle with d hand dat feed ya...Don't matter what card Jack played he would have get catch,the longest rope have an end and his time reached,the point is they were all out for him,all who was keeping secrets for him turned against him because he was too powerfull and any how you still wanted him to be president of FIFA with all this baggage he has been carrying,i think 30 yrs was enough,he went as far as he could go,did what he can for T&T and himself so now he could relax.
I sure if he did play he cards right...he mighta even be able tuh become d head ah FIFA after Sepp step down but he gone like a thusty man looking for ah quick brush...and tuh make matters worse..he forget tuh hide he piggy when he get catch....
I stioll trying to f**king understand what he do for T&T? Fiull me in please Coops...and thanks eh.
Why you have to be so abusive,like i strike a nerve or what?this is what i trying to avoid so i will not answer you,i done realize what you looking for,you set like a Rattle snake.well if daiz how it play out...he didnt watch enough gangsta movie tuh realize yuh doe battle with d hand dat feed ya...Don't matter what card Jack played he would have get catch,the longest rope have an end and his time reached,the point is they were all out for him,all who was keeping secrets for him turned against him because he was too powerfull and any how you still wanted him to be president of FIFA with all this baggage he has been carrying,i think 30 yrs was enough,he went as far as he could go,did what he can for T&T and himself so now he could relax.
I sure if he did play he cards right...he mighta even be able tuh become d head ah FIFA after Sepp step down but he gone like a thusty man looking for ah quick brush...and tuh make matters worse..he forget tuh hide he piggy when he get catch....
I stioll trying to f**king understand what he do for T&T? Fiull me in please Coops...and thanks eh.
Soca i tell yu i done with that,i not getting myself tie up with those guys,if you want to answer him fine but i done.You know we cool :devil: if guys want to have a descent conversation with me fine but once you start to cuss forget it.Why you have to be so abusive,like i strike a nerve or what?this is what i trying to avoid so i will not answer you,i done realize what you looking for,you set like a Rattle snake.well if daiz how it play out...he didnt watch enough gangsta movie tuh realize yuh doe battle with d hand dat feed ya...Don't matter what card Jack played he would have get catch,the longest rope have an end and his time reached,the point is they were all out for him,all who was keeping secrets for him turned against him because he was too powerfull and any how you still wanted him to be president of FIFA with all this baggage he has been carrying,i think 30 yrs was enough,he went as far as he could go,did what he can for T&T and himself so now he could relax.
I sure if he did play he cards right...he mighta even be able tuh become d head ah FIFA after Sepp step down but he gone like a thusty man looking for ah quick brush...and tuh make matters worse..he forget tuh hide he piggy when he get catch....
I stioll trying to f**king understand what he do for T&T? Fiull me in please Coops...and thanks eh.
Hey Coop's, I think TC asked a reasonable question!
TC is passionate! I don't think he was abusing you, if anyone he was abusing JW.
Plus yuh shouldn't be vex if yuh find TC set like a Rattle snake when you yuhself have a Rattle snake set as yuh profile picture! Its takes a Rattle snake to take on a Rattle snake!! ;)
I feel Coop’s on some serious kicks again there with that Rattle snake comment yes! :D
Why you have to be so abusive,like i strike a nerve or what?this is what i trying to avoid so i will not answer you,i done realize what you looking for,you set like a Rattle snake.well if daiz how it play out...he didnt watch enough gangsta movie tuh realize yuh doe battle with d hand dat feed ya...Don't matter what card Jack played he would have get catch,the longest rope have an end and his time reached,the point is they were all out for him,all who was keeping secrets for him turned against him because he was too powerfull and any how you still wanted him to be president of FIFA with all this baggage he has been carrying,i think 30 yrs was enough,he went as far as he could go,did what he can for T&T and himself so now he could relax.
I sure if he did play he cards right...he mighta even be able tuh become d head ah FIFA after Sepp step down but he gone like a thusty man looking for ah quick brush...and tuh make matters worse..he forget tuh hide he piggy when he get catch....
I stioll trying to f**king understand what he do for T&T? Fiull me in please Coops...and thanks eh.
Aye aye,cool down big man,i eh lash you or nothing,i don't know a lot of guys i talk too on here but i'm sure you all know me which says something,i'm sorry if i upset you eh take it easy :devil:.Why you have to be so abusive,like i strike a nerve or what?this is what i trying to avoid so i will not answer you,i done realize what you looking for,you set like a Rattle snake.well if daiz how it play out...he didnt watch enough gangsta movie tuh realize yuh doe battle with d hand dat feed ya...Don't matter what card Jack played he would have get catch,the longest rope have an end and his time reached,the point is they were all out for him,all who was keeping secrets for him turned against him because he was too powerfull and any how you still wanted him to be president of FIFA with all this baggage he has been carrying,i think 30 yrs was enough,he went as far as he could go,did what he can for T&T and himself so now he could relax.
I sure if he did play he cards right...he mighta even be able tuh become d head ah FIFA after Sepp step down but he gone like a thusty man looking for ah quick brush...and tuh make matters worse..he forget tuh hide he piggy when he get catch....
I stioll trying to f**king understand what he do for T&T? Fiull me in please Coops...and thanks eh.
How I abusive? Like yuh getting sorf in yuh old age? What de f**k he do for T&T? Dais all Ia sk, I eh cuss you..steups. And what yuh mean those guys? Like yuh eh know who yuh talking to or what?
Answer de question since you is one ah de few who seems to know what he ahs done...educate de rest ah we dunce rattle snakes.
I not upset, I eh cuss yuh is Jack I want to know what he do..jes answer me nah..thanksBreds,listen to me carefully,i am constantly abused on the forum for my views on Jack and the TTFF,if i answer one others jump in etc etc i've decided i'm going to sit back and let nature take it's course with all the coruption etc etc going on,although i have the time on my hand i do not want this to become a full time job for me,you all want to deal with me as though i am JW,i does just try to be open minded.If you all think the man has done nothing for T&T Football you all are quite in order to think so,i don't have any beef with that but people should not be angry when i give my views.
Now that Bin Hamman has been banned for life and minguell and sylvester of Trinidad and Tobago banned for one year ,where does that leave Jack? Is he still presumed innocent? Unequal application of the law! Or now that the evidence has been given by Ms Kanhai is it now up the various jurisdictions to lay charges on receipt of the report?
When FIFA told Gibbs to wait on the report I guess he knew they will have something to work with! What a thing! This thing stinks to high heavens!
Bakes what planet yuh living on? What charges? Read the posts above and let me know if yuh still having problems to define and I will give yuh a number to call! Jennings BBC!
I not upset, I eh cuss yuh is Jack I want to know what he do..jes answer me nah..thanksBreds,listen to me carefully,i am constantly abused on the forum for my views on Jack and the TTFF,if i answer one others jump in etc etc i've decided i'm going to sit back and let nature take it's course with all the coruption etc etc going on,although i have the time on my hand i do not want this to become a full time job for me,you all want to deal with me as though i am JW,i does just try to be open minded.If you all think the man has done nothing for T&T Football you all are quite in order to think so,i don't have any beef with that but people should not be angry when i give my views.
Alright,agreed,i hear allyu,at least you all understand,now cuss all allyu want i'm fine,i know the guys appreciate me being around because i do enjoy the reaction.You seem to have me down to a science. :devil:I not upset, I eh cuss yuh is Jack I want to know what he do..jes answer me nah..thanksBreds,listen to me carefully,i am constantly abused on the forum for my views on Jack and the TTFF,if i answer one others jump in etc etc i've decided i'm going to sit back and let nature take it's course with all the coruption etc etc going on,although i have the time on my hand i do not want this to become a full time job for me,you all want to deal with me as though i am JW,i does just try to be open minded.If you all think the man has done nothing for T&T Football you all are quite in order to think so,i don't have any beef with that but people should not be angry when i give my views.
I don't think folks are angry with you for giving your views! They may be disappointed that someone like yourself may hold certain views regards Jack & the TTFF but all points of view are welcomed here.
I believe that you regularly chose to represent the view of the other side on here to try to add some balance to the forum and I am sure you’ve admitted that much in one of your posts the other day.
Most folks here may not have noticed when you made that confession the other day but I did. So since that time I realise that you sometimes try to play the role of devil's advocate (defending Jack) in order to stir up more debate and get some reaction.
All we ask is when you get the reaction you are seeking that you don’t pretend to be innocent and act like you are not enjoying getting the very reaction that you were seeking, that's all! :devil:
Bakes what planet yuh living on? What charges? Read the posts above and let me know if yuh still having problems to define and I will give yuh a number to call! Jennings BBC!
Just answer the question if you can... "charges" for what? If yuh can't answer then no scenes, we move on.
O GODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD we now back down this road again lol
Bakes I know you are not convinced there are "charges" to answer, but put your prosecutors hat on for a second and help us see the light. We all know that something shady went on and we have heard several witnesses confirm money was passed out, and even that Jack authorised the distribution. So what laws may have been broken, and if you were the A.G. or whoever is responsible for upholding the law, what would you do in their position?
Question: I'm aware that TTFF is an independent body, but if TTFF are tarnishing the country by its actions, can the govt intervene in some way? After all, they are the countries football representatives. In England they would be dragged in front of a parliamentary hearing (as happened with the 2018 bid team) and in the U.S. I imagine the same thing happens. If the govt have those powers, they should also order Warner to attend and explain his involvement.
Camps and co are further dragging the name of T&T through the mud. This alleged bribery happened here, was allegedly orchestrated by a T&T senior minister and TTFF refused to give evidence.
Makes yuh kinda proud ent?
Question: I'm aware that TTFF is an independent body, but if TTFF are tarnishing the country by its actions, can the govt intervene in some way? After all, they are the countries football representatives. In England they would be dragged in front of a parliamentary hearing (as happened with the 2018 bid team) and in the U.S. I imagine the same thing happens. If the govt have those powers, they should also order Warner to attend and explain his involvement.
Camps and co are further dragging the name of T&T through the mud. This alleged bribery happened here, was allegedly orchestrated by a T&T senior minister and TTFF refused to give evidence.
Makes yuh kinda proud ent?
FS, As ironic as it may seem, FIFA FORBIDS governments from interferring in the businesses of it national franchisees. They will ban them from all, ALL international and regional competitions.
So why are they called TTFF?what does the TT stands for?somebody has to give them the mandate to carry such a name,don't blame Kamla and them that name around donkey years.Question: I'm aware that TTFF is an independent body, but if TTFF are tarnishing the country by its actions, can the govt intervene in some way? After all, they are the countries football representatives. In England they would be dragged in front of a parliamentary hearing (as happened with the 2018 bid team) and in the U.S. I imagine the same thing happens. If the govt have those powers, they should also order Warner to attend and explain his involvement.
Camps and co are further dragging the name of T&T through the mud. This alleged bribery happened here, was allegedly orchestrated by a T&T senior minister and TTFF refused to give evidence.
Makes yuh kinda proud ent?
FS, As ironic as it may seem, FIFA FORBIDS governments from interferring in the businesses of it national franchisees. They will ban them from all, ALL international and regional competitions.
Yes, obviously this is the case regarding football federations. However, there must be some point where a government can show displeasure, and one the methods for doing this is to withdraw funding and use of stadiums until transparency is obtained. Aside from a handful of lackeys, nobody in T&T has given TTFF a mandate to represent the country.
I feel that the govt should write to FIFA requesting the evidence they hold and asking for their assistance in restructuring the TTFF
So why are they called TTFF?what does the TT stands for?somebody has to give them the mandate to carry such a name,don't blame Kamla and them that name around donkey years.Question: I'm aware that TTFF is an independent body, but if TTFF are tarnishing the country by its actions, can the govt intervene in some way? After all, they are the countries football representatives. In England they would be dragged in front of a parliamentary hearing (as happened with the 2018 bid team) and in the U.S. I imagine the same thing happens. If the govt have those powers, they should also order Warner to attend and explain his involvement.
Camps and co are further dragging the name of T&T through the mud. This alleged bribery happened here, was allegedly orchestrated by a T&T senior minister and TTFF refused to give evidence.
Makes yuh kinda proud ent?
FS, As ironic as it may seem, FIFA FORBIDS governments from interferring in the businesses of it national franchisees. They will ban them from all, ALL international and regional competitions.
Yes, obviously this is the case regarding football federations. However, there must be some point where a government can show displeasure, and one the methods for doing this is to withdraw funding and use of stadiums until transparency is obtained. Aside from a handful of lackeys, nobody in T&T has given TTFF a mandate to represent the country.
I feel that the govt should write to FIFA requesting the evidence they hold and asking for their assistance in restructuring the TTFF
What i am trying to say is like nobody prior saw it fit to protect the good name of T&T,they wait until it reach to this stage and then wants something done about it,what's funny is the same person we targeting is in the leadership position to protect our interest/name,it's not just a minister it's the vice PM,how do you suggest she deals with it.So why are they called TTFF?what does the TT stands for?somebody has to give them the mandate to carry such a name,don't blame Kamla and them that name around donkey years.Question: I'm aware that TTFF is an independent body, but if TTFF are tarnishing the country by its actions, can the govt intervene in some way? After all, they are the countries football representatives. In England they would be dragged in front of a parliamentary hearing (as happened with the 2018 bid team) and in the U.S. I imagine the same thing happens. If the govt have those powers, they should also order Warner to attend and explain his involvement.
Camps and co are further dragging the name of T&T through the mud. This alleged bribery happened here, was allegedly orchestrated by a T&T senior minister and TTFF refused to give evidence.
Makes yuh kinda proud ent?
FS, As ironic as it may seem, FIFA FORBIDS governments from interferring in the businesses of it national franchisees. They will ban them from all, ALL international and regional competitions.
Yes, obviously this is the case regarding football federations. However, there must be some point where a government can show displeasure, and one the methods for doing this is to withdraw funding and use of stadiums until transparency is obtained. Aside from a handful of lackeys, nobody in T&T has given TTFF a mandate to represent the country.
I feel that the govt should write to FIFA requesting the evidence they hold and asking for their assistance in restructuring the TTFF
You ain't watching what I'm saying bro. TTFF, or rather, their previous incarnations were formed, supposedly by representatives of zonal and regional football. It was supposed to represent the interests of every footballer and supporter. However, as we know, it has become a members only club and DOES NOT represent the players or supporters any more.
Regardless of their rules, if a person or body continually continues to bring the reputation of a country into disrepute they should be called to task. I don't blame Kamla for past failures to deal with this, but, bro, she's the PM, its her job to protect the good name of Trinidad & Tobago.
What i am trying to say is like nobody prior saw it fit to protect the good name of T&T,they wait until it reach to this stage and then wants something done about it,what's funny is the same person we targeting is in the leadership position to protect our interest/name,it's not just a minister it's the vice PM,how do you suggest she deals with it.So why are they called TTFF?what does the TT stands for?somebody has to give them the mandate to carry such a name,don't blame Kamla and them that name around donkey years.Question: I'm aware that TTFF is an independent body, but if TTFF are tarnishing the country by its actions, can the govt intervene in some way? After all, they are the countries football representatives. In England they would be dragged in front of a parliamentary hearing (as happened with the 2018 bid team) and in the U.S. I imagine the same thing happens. If the govt have those powers, they should also order Warner to attend and explain his involvement.
Camps and co are further dragging the name of T&T through the mud. This alleged bribery happened here, was allegedly orchestrated by a T&T senior minister and TTFF refused to give evidence.
Makes yuh kinda proud ent?
FS, As ironic as it may seem, FIFA FORBIDS governments from interferring in the businesses of it national franchisees. They will ban them from all, ALL international and regional competitions.
Yes, obviously this is the case regarding football federations. However, there must be some point where a government can show displeasure, and one the methods for doing this is to withdraw funding and use of stadiums until transparency is obtained. Aside from a handful of lackeys, nobody in T&T has given TTFF a mandate to represent the country.
I feel that the govt should write to FIFA requesting the evidence they hold and asking for their assistance in restructuring the TTFF
You ain't watching what I'm saying bro. TTFF, or rather, their previous incarnations were formed, supposedly by representatives of zonal and regional football. It was supposed to represent the interests of every footballer and supporter. However, as we know, it has become a members only club and DOES NOT represent the players or supporters any more.
Regardless of their rules, if a person or body continually continues to bring the reputation of a country into disrepute they should be called to task. I don't blame Kamla for past failures to deal with this, but, bro, she's the PM, its her job to protect the good name of Trinidad & Tobago.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/14296987.stm
Bribe investigation just expanded. CFU member association officials given 48 hours to come clean or else. Prisoner's dilemma at it's finest.
:D Tammy Wynettehttp://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/14296987.stm
Bribe investigation just expanded. CFU member association officials given 48 hours to come clean or else. Prisoner's dilemma at it's finest.
Sometimes it's hard to be a CFU official
Giving all your love to just one man
You'll have bad times
And he'll have good times
Doin things that you don't understand
But if you love him
You'll forgive him
Even though he's hard to understand
And if you love him
Oh, be proud of him
Cause after all he's just a man
Stand by your man
Give him two arms to cling to
And something warm to come to
when nights are cold and lonely
Stand by your man
And show the world you love him
Keep giving all the love you can
Stand by your man
Stand by your man
And show the world you love him
Keep giving all the love you can
Stand by your man
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/14296987.stm
Bribe investigation just expanded. CFU member association officials given 48 hours to come clean or else. Prisoner's dilemma at it's finest.
Sometimes it's hard to be a CFU official
Giving all your love to just one man
You'll have bad times
And he'll have good times
Doin things that you don't understand
But if you love him
You'll forgive him
Even though he's hard to understand
And if you love him
Oh, be proud of him
Cause after all he's just a man
Stand by your man
Give him two arms to cling to
And something warm to come to
when nights are cold and lonely
Stand by your man
And show the world you love him
Keep giving all the love you can
Stand by your man
Stand by your man
And show the world you love him
Keep giving all the love you can
Stand by your man
no tantie winette cause is now ting start:D Tammy Wynettehttp://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/14296987.stm
Bribe investigation just expanded. CFU member association officials given 48 hours to come clean or else. Prisoner's dilemma at it's finest.
Sometimes it's hard to be a CFU official
Giving all your love to just one man
You'll have bad times
And he'll have good times
Doin things that you don't understand
But if you love him
You'll forgive him
Even though he's hard to understand
And if you love him
Oh, be proud of him
Cause after all he's just a man
Stand by your man
Give him two arms to cling to
And something warm to come to
when nights are cold and lonely
Stand by your man
And show the world you love him
Keep giving all the love you can
Stand by your man
Stand by your man
And show the world you love him
Keep giving all the love you can
Stand by your man
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/SPORT/football/07/26/football.fifa.cfu.hammam/index.html
When yuh see it reach CNN, then de gobar really hit de fan.
Note that the request was directed "to all CFU associations, asking the associations, their presidents, and any of their members with knowledge of anything that transpired during the meetings held on 10 and 11 May in Trinidad and Tobago to provide and report all relevant information in their possession within 48 hours"
This means that Scamps, Rodent, KLL, Cornmeal and any of the others connected to the gravy train will have to sing to save their jobs. Serious development people. 48 hrs and de clock ticking. Lincoln de "Tiger", if yuh know anything, FIFA wants to hear from you.
:beermug:
To be honest, if it was an ordinary Joe, I could understand no investigation taking place. But seeing as Jack is a govt minister, politically, PP, UNC, police and probably also, CFU, CONCACAF & TTFF should be wanting this cleared up to prove they want to expose sleaze. All eyes are on the integrity of these organisations, and a cover up could cause more problems. However, as we know, Jack has a thumb in all these pies and could pull out lots of plums that will embarrass all of the above while saying "what a good boy am I".
Its catch 22. No one knows what Jack could reveal or the consequences of such revelations, but I can't see how a blind eye could be turned on this one. bin Hammam is guilty, but Jack is not, even though the "evidence" says he is? His workers followed his instructions and were punished, but not Jack?
Nah, justice must be seen to be done. At the least, any self respecting minister would resign.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/14296987.stm
Bribe investigation just expanded. CFU member association officials given 48 hours to come clean or else. Prisoner's dilemma at it's finest.
Football supporter thanks for making it clear for bakes! I assume people who are interested in the future of our football and interested in officials being accountable for the actions would have been following the debacle.1 But I realised Bakes wanted me to be more explicit!2
But you said it!
Importation of foreign currency without declaring it.3 Who know how it was facilitated into the country. The list of violations read out by the learned judge on Saturday. Violation of the code of ethics which are also criminal offences in our jurisdiction !4 And what about the excess that was to be returned to Jack for those who did not accept the gifts.5 Which office was the money handed over from? I hope it is Concacaf and not a government office.6 Although it is still on our soil. Gibbs was told to wait until the final verdict by FIFA. I can only speculate why?
Question: I'm aware that TTFF is an independent body, but if TTFF are tarnishing the country by its actions, can the govt intervene in some way? After all, they are the countries football representatives. In England they would be dragged in front of a parliamentary hearing (as happened with the 2018 bid team) and in the U.S. I imagine the same thing happens. If the govt have those powers, they should also order Warner to attend and explain his involvement.
Camps and co are further dragging the name of T&T through the mud. This alleged bribery happened here, was allegedly orchestrated by a T&T senior minister and TTFF refused to give evidence.
Makes yuh kinda proud ent?
You see, this is what I don't understand. People on this site always criticising T&T press for not asking the hard questions, yet you criticise the British press for exposing corruption etc (Yes, of course NOTW reporters went too far and acted illegally.)
And then people here bemoan a corrupt and non transparent govt, yet when people calling for investigations you belittle those requests.
Bakes, I wasn't being sarcastic when I asked for your input. I really want to know if there are charges that should be laid at the feet of Warner and TTFF. I cannot believe for a second that a first world country (or one aspiring to be first world) would allow a govt minister to remain in his post while bringing this much shame and embarrassment upon his country.
Its no longer about being right or wrong legally. The man has chosen to avoid giving evidence to defend himself, so even if he is totally innocent, he will always be perceived as guilty. If he had any honour he would put his country first and step away. If he feels he's more important than his country's and party's image, they should ask him to leave. Kamla got enough to deal with without all this drama.
I've been wondering if FIFA will ban the federations that was involved in this bribery scandal from the very beginning. ppl talkin all kinda ting about jack warner blazer and bin hammam, but no one eh study the real issue, what fifa might be trying tuh do to CFU members, and not necessarily the federation presidents , but the federation it self.
this could spell another stint of suffering for football lover in T&T, BC we dun know dat camps and dem doh care if the ship go down wid dem, as ah matter of fact they would rather it so.
Ok, Bakes, good post!
My reasoning regarding a governmental inquiry is that TTFF represent T&T football internationally and nationally. For years they have been involved in scandal after scandal, usually at the cost of Trinis (WC ticket overpricing, overselling tickets for HC, missing funds, blacklisting players etc and now possibly earning a FIFA ban) No national organisation should be allowed to continue this behaviour without explaining itself, yet TTFF answers to no one.
Heres a scenario that could possibly happen: TTFF refuse to respond to FIFA. FIFA ban TTFF for 6 months. Our 2014 and Olympic preperations will be in tatters. The public should know why TTFF are willing to disrupt our football. Why are they not giving evidence? Only reason is that they are protecting someone. Whether that be Warner, Camps, Groden, whoever, that persons guilt will cause T&T football to suffer. And what can we do? Nothing.
That can't be allowed to happen. These people must answer to someone. Governments have to, police have to, banks and businesses have to, but not TTFF? That can't be right.
But I cannot think of another soloution. TTFF have a stranglehold on our football and have been squeezing away at our throats for years. Enough is enough.
Ok, Bakes, good post!
My reasoning regarding a governmental inquiry is that TTFF represent T&T football internationally and nationally. For years they have been involved in scandal after scandal, usually at the cost of Trinis (WC ticket overpricing, overselling tickets for HC, missing funds, blacklisting players etc and now possibly earning a FIFA ban) No national organisation should be allowed to continue this behaviour without explaining itself, yet TTFF answers to no one.
Heres a scenario that could possibly happen: TTFF refuse to respond to FIFA. FIFA ban TTFF for 6 months. Our 2014 and Olympic preperations will be in tatters. The public should know why TTFF are willing to disrupt our football. Why are they not giving evidence? Only reason is that they are protecting someone. Whether that be Warner, Camps, Groden, whoever, that persons guilt will cause T&T football to suffer. And what can we do? Nothing.
That can't be allowed to happen. These people must answer to someone. Governments have to, police have to, banks and businesses have to, but not TTFF? That can't be right.
But I cannot think of another soloution. TTFF have a stranglehold on our football and have been squeezing away at our throats for years. Enough is enough.
Why is FIFA on this witch hunt, and why is Blazer at the forefront in all of this yet immune to questioning with regard to his exact role?
I agree, its like watching two Mafia families, with one ratting on the other. One trying to be legitimate, while we all know the empire was built on funny money.You agree with that !!!!!!! doh make me laugh here :devil:
The FIFA report on Jackula is out and circulating people.
Very reliable sources say is real dangerous finger pointing info. Jackula gorn tru. Uncle Seppos not easy nah. Like he wha' kill de man or wha'..... :'( What a ting.
Bin Hammam Wins Appeal in FIFA Bribery Case
By GRAHAM DUNBAR
GENEVA abcnews.go.com
http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/bin-hammam-wins-appeal-fifa-bribery-case-16810469?singlePage=true#.UAgWCGFfF3U
Sports court lifts Bin Hammam's soccer life ban in FIFA presidential election bribery case
The Associated Press
Former FIFA presidential candidate Mohamed bin Hammam won his case against a life ban from soccer on Thursday for allegedly bribing voters during his challenge to Sepp Blatter.
However, the Court of Arbitration for Sport said its panel was not convinced Bin Hammam is innocent of corruption — but it overturned the ban because FIFA failed to find conclusive evidence.
"It is a situation of 'case not proven,' coupled with concern on the part of the Panel that the FIFA investigation was not complete or comprehensive enough to fill the gaps in the record," sport's highest court said in a statement.
Despite the legal victory, Bin Hammam's bid to clear his name is far from over.
Bin Hammam faces new charges of bribery at the Asian Football Confederation, which claimed this week that its president's financial management was revealed in a forensic audit of the governing body's accounts.
FIFA responded to the CAS verdict "with concern", saying it will ask its newly appointed independent prosecutor Michael J. Garcia to re-examine the case.
"The FIFA Ethics Committee will then decide based on the reports and evidence presented to it if any action is required to be taken against Mohamed bin Hammam," FIFA said in a statement.
Bin Hammam's victory at CAS will only partly restore his shattered reputation.
The panel, which was split 2-1 in his favor, "is not making any sort of affirmative finding of innocence in relation to Mr. Bin Hammam," the court said. "It is more likely than not that Mr. Bin Hammam was the source of the monies that were brought into Trinidad and Tobago" at an election campaign rally in May 2011.
FIFA got evidence from Caribbean whistleblowers who said they were offered $40,000 cash bribes during the 63-year-old Qatari's electioneering visit.
Bin Hammam denied wrongdoing, claiming Blatter helped orchestrate a scandal to guarantee his election victory unopposed a few weeks later.
The ruling Thursday followed a two-day hearing in April at the court in Lausanne, Switzerland.
Bin Hammam, who refused to attend FIFA hearings that enforced the life ban, did not attend or testify. Blatter gave evidence by video link from FIFA headquarters in Zurich.
FIFA's failed prosecution used evidence gathered by an investigations agency led by former FBI director Louis Freeh, which was hired to conduct the probe.
Freeh's team reported that it found "substantial credible evidence that cash was offered to and accepted" by Caribbean Football Union delegates after Bin Hammam made his election pitch at a hotel in Port of Spain.
FIFA's code of ethics prohibits officials receiving any cash gifts, yet Caribbean officials were given brown envelopes stuffed with piles of $100 bills.
On Thursday, the CAS panel published its dissatisfaction with the quality of evidence.
"No efforts were made to trace the source of (the) banknotes that were photographed," the court said. The panel "recognizes that it is possible to infer that the failure of Mr. Bin Hammam to carry out that relatively simple exercise in the course of these proceedings might be explained by the fact that it would have confirmed that he was the source."
Elected to lead Asian soccer in 2002, bin Hammam launched his bid to lead the world governing body last year just months after helping Qatar win 2022 World Cup hosting rights.
Bin Hammam and Blatter were locked in a tight race for the presidency and 25 CFU countries were thought to hold the balance of power among the 208 FIFA member nations.
Whistleblowers testified that FIFA vice president Jack Warner, the longtime strongman of Caribbean soccer, told them he advised bin Hammam to bring cash instead of formal gifts to the meeting.
The AFC allegations, concerning bribery and mismanagement of commercial contracts, will block bin Hammam from an immediate return to his office in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. The AFC imposed a 30-day suspension on him this week. He is also prevented from retaking his seat at FIFA's executive committee table.
Bin Hammam has represented Asia on FIFA's executive committee since 1996. He was elected AFC president in 2002, and was serving his final four-year mandate when the FIFA election scandal rocked soccer.
United Arab Emirates Football Association President Yousuf al-Sarkal called for the AFC to reinstate its leader.
"This is to be fair to the man," al-Sarkal, who is a member of the AFC's executive board, told The Associated Press. "He has gone through enough of allegations and accusations. It's not fair for an individual who has served football in the right way."
Bin Hammam had once been Blatter's close ally and worked as a campaign manager for his previous FIFA election victories in 1998 and 2002.
However, the Qatari official expressed growing frustration in claiming that the now 76-year-old Swiss reneged on promises to step down.
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AP Sports Writer Mike Casey contributed to this report from Dubai.
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More proof that yuh cyah kill Jackula even when yuh think yuh drive ah stake thru his heart!Bin Hammam Wins Appeal in FIFA Bribery Case
By GRAHAM DUNBAR
GENEVA abcnews.go.com
http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/bin-hammam-wins-appeal-fifa-bribery-case-16810469?singlePage=true#.UAgWCGFfF3U
Sports court lifts Bin Hammam's soccer life ban in FIFA presidential election bribery case
The Associated Press
Former FIFA presidential candidate Mohamed bin Hammam won his case against a life ban from soccer on Thursday for allegedly bribing voters during his challenge to Sepp Blatter.
However, the Court of Arbitration for Sport said its panel was not convinced Bin Hammam is innocent of corruption — but it overturned the ban because FIFA failed to find conclusive evidence.
"It is a situation of 'case not proven,' coupled with concern on the part of the Panel that the FIFA investigation was not complete or comprehensive enough to fill the gaps in the record," sport's highest court said in a statement.
Despite the legal victory, Bin Hammam's bid to clear his name is far from over.
Bin Hammam faces new charges of bribery at the Asian Football Confederation, which claimed this week that its president's financial management was revealed in a forensic audit of the governing body's accounts.
FIFA responded to the CAS verdict "with concern", saying it will ask its newly appointed independent prosecutor Michael J. Garcia to re-examine the case.
"The FIFA Ethics Committee will then decide based on the reports and evidence presented to it if any action is required to be taken against Mohamed bin Hammam," FIFA said in a statement.
Bin Hammam's victory at CAS will only partly restore his shattered reputation.
The panel, which was split 2-1 in his favor, "is not making any sort of affirmative finding of innocence in relation to Mr. Bin Hammam," the court said. "It is more likely than not that Mr. Bin Hammam was the source of the monies that were brought into Trinidad and Tobago" at an election campaign rally in May 2011.
FIFA got evidence from Caribbean whistleblowers who said they were offered $40,000 cash bribes during the 63-year-old Qatari's electioneering visit.
Bin Hammam denied wrongdoing, claiming Blatter helped orchestrate a scandal to guarantee his election victory unopposed a few weeks later.
The ruling Thursday followed a two-day hearing in April at the court in Lausanne, Switzerland.
Bin Hammam, who refused to attend FIFA hearings that enforced the life ban, did not attend or testify. Blatter gave evidence by video link from FIFA headquarters in Zurich.
FIFA's failed prosecution used evidence gathered by an investigations agency led by former FBI director Louis Freeh, which was hired to conduct the probe.
Freeh's team reported that it found "substantial credible evidence that cash was offered to and accepted" by Caribbean Football Union delegates after Bin Hammam made his election pitch at a hotel in Port of Spain.
FIFA's code of ethics prohibits officials receiving any cash gifts, yet Caribbean officials were given brown envelopes stuffed with piles of $100 bills.
On Thursday, the CAS panel published its dissatisfaction with the quality of evidence.
"No efforts were made to trace the source of (the) banknotes that were photographed," the court said. The panel "recognizes that it is possible to infer that the failure of Mr. Bin Hammam to carry out that relatively simple exercise in the course of these proceedings might be explained by the fact that it would have confirmed that he was the source."
Elected to lead Asian soccer in 2002, bin Hammam launched his bid to lead the world governing body last year just months after helping Qatar win 2022 World Cup hosting rights.
Bin Hammam and Blatter were locked in a tight race for the presidency and 25 CFU countries were thought to hold the balance of power among the 208 FIFA member nations.
Whistleblowers testified that FIFA vice president Jack Warner, the longtime strongman of Caribbean soccer, told them he advised bin Hammam to bring cash instead of formal gifts to the meeting.
The AFC allegations, concerning bribery and mismanagement of commercial contracts, will block bin Hammam from an immediate return to his office in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. The AFC imposed a 30-day suspension on him this week. He is also prevented from retaking his seat at FIFA's executive committee table.
Bin Hammam has represented Asia on FIFA's executive committee since 1996. He was elected AFC president in 2002, and was serving his final four-year mandate when the FIFA election scandal rocked soccer.
United Arab Emirates Football Association President Yousuf al-Sarkal called for the AFC to reinstate its leader.
"This is to be fair to the man," al-Sarkal, who is a member of the AFC's executive board, told The Associated Press. "He has gone through enough of allegations and accusations. It's not fair for an individual who has served football in the right way."
Bin Hammam had once been Blatter's close ally and worked as a campaign manager for his previous FIFA election victories in 1998 and 2002.
However, the Qatari official expressed growing frustration in claiming that the now 76-year-old Swiss reneged on promises to step down.
———
AP Sports Writer Mike Casey contributed to this report from Dubai.
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??? :o Hold on....but doesn't this whole thing hinge on BinHammam bringing money to bribe? Then if he is cleared of that, or at least they can't conclusively prove that he did that, then doesn't the whole so called "bribery" scandal go away?? What ah missing? Yuh can clear the man who supposedly bringing the money to bribe, but still convict the "bribees"?? And now they want him get reinstated, which to be fair......
This is some crazyness.......LOL
Doesn't this mean that Jack could "rise again"?? Look trouble.
thank you FS ... and people laughing yesHow u mean,laugh yes,what u want we to do,where is Lasana he always have the truth(the real storey) stop hiding lets here from u.People just want to victimize Jack and listening to what they want to hear,forget the ifs and buts and deal with the facts.
thank you FS ... and people laughing yesHow u mean,laugh yes,what u want we to do,where is Lasana he always have the truth(the real storey) stop hiding lets here from u.People just want to victimize Jack and listening to what they want to hear,forget the ifs and buts and deal with the facts.
I loveing it at home,everything live.
thank you FS ... and people laughing yesHow u mean,laugh yes,what u want we to do,where is Lasana he always have the truth(the real storey) stop hiding lets here from u.People just want to victimize Jack and listening to what they want to hear,forget the ifs and buts and deal with the facts.
I loveing it at home,everything live.
??? :o Hold on....but doesn't this whole thing hinge on BinHammam bringing money to bribe? Then if he is cleared of that, or at least they can't conclusively prove that he did that, then doesn't the whole so called "bribery" scandal go away?? What ah missing? Yuh can clear the man who supposedly bringing the money to bribe, but still convict the "bribees"?? And now they want him get reinstated, which to be fair......
This is some crazyness.......LOL
Doesn't this mean that Jack could "rise again"?? Look trouble.
Like it or not Bin Hammam did what ALL members of FIFA do. That was/is the way FIFA handle business. Jack been operating that way for years because that is the way they ALL do business.:beermug: :beermug: i have been saying that for years and people never understood what i was trying to say.It's all part of business as usual,who laugh last laugh the best.
Like it or not Bin Hammam did what ALL members of FIFA do. That was/is the way FIFA handle business. Jack been operating that way for years because that is the way they ALL do business.:beermug: :beermug: i have been saying that for years and people never understood what i was trying to say.It's all part of business as usual,who laugh last laugh the best.
thank you FS ... and people laughing yesHow u mean,laugh yes,what u want we to do,where is Lasana he always have the truth(the real storey) stop hiding lets here from u.People just want to victimize Jack and listening to what they want to hear,forget the ifs and buts and deal with the facts.
I loveing it at home,everything live.
Wired868 is offline until next week due to site improvements. I imagine Lasana is chomping at the bit.
Also, just to get some perspective on this, while Ian Alleyne happily informed the public on his show that Jack was cleared of all involvement, journalists in the rest of the world are treating this as confirmation that our Minister of National Security was indeed very much implicated.
We are living in a media vacuum where those who rely solely on local press and media reports (a large section of the electorate) are receiving a distorted set of facts to base their decisions upon. Crimewatch is the most watched programme here and Alleyne has become the people's hero. Thus, when he is stating incorrect facts, the people are being misled. Couple this with state TV and radio who are reporting issues with a govt slant and you have a virtual state controlled press and media. It's shocking that only a few weeks ago, hundreds of journalists came here for a conference and never picked up on this.
thank you FS ... and people laughing yesHow u mean,laugh yes,what u want we to do,where is Lasana he always have the truth(the real storey) stop hiding lets here from u.People just want to victimize Jack and listening to what they want to hear,forget the ifs and buts and deal with the facts.
I loveing it at home,everything live.
Wired868 is offline until next week due to site improvements. I imagine Lasana is chomping at the bit.
Also, just to get some perspective on this, while Ian Alleyne happily informed the public on his show that Jack was cleared of all involvement, journalists in the rest of the world are treating this as confirmation that our Minister of National Security was indeed very much implicated.
We are living in a media vacuum where those who rely solely on local press and media reports (a large section of the electorate) are receiving a distorted set of facts to base their decisions upon. Crimewatch is the most watched programme here and Alleyne has become the people's hero. Thus, when he is stating incorrect facts, the people are being misled. Couple this with state TV and radio who are reporting issues with a govt slant and you have a virtual state controlled press and media. It's shocking that only a few weeks ago, hundreds of journalists came here for a conference and never picked up on this.
champing at the bit..champing, horses champ not chomp. sorry a per peeve.
I cannot see how anyone with a little bit of a brain stem can read the release by the abritrators and come to the conclusion that Jack or Bin Hammam were cleared???
its when they make a chewing action when they are addled and want to move on...that is why they use it to mean waiting imaptiently.:beermug:
And theres the problem I have always had with Jack. He can do so much good, and does do great work, but then theres the sleazy side. Perhaps Jack was mistaken? But how many times can he be wrongly accused. It doesn't make any sense how he can get caught up in so many scandals.