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Title: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Tallman on May 25, 2011, 05:39:55 AM
Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes in presidential election
By Paul Kelso (The Telegraph)


The extraordinary allegations will throw the presidential race into chaos just a week before the presidential vote in Zurich and threaten a schism in the governing body.

Fifa has acted after receiving a report from Fifa executive committee member Chuck Blazer regarding Bin Hammam and Warner’s conduct at the CFU meeting on May 10-11.

Blazer’s allegations are understood to be supported by affidavits from the witnesses prepared by lawyers.

In a statement Fifa said: On 24 May 2011, Fifa Executive Committee member and Concacaf General Secretary Chuck Blazer reported to Fifa Secretary General Jérôme Valcke possible violations of the Fifa Code of Ethics allegedly committed by officials.

In particular, the report referred to a special meeting of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU), apparently organised jointly by Fifa Vice-President Jack A. Warner and Fifa Executive Committee member Mohamed bin Hammam, which took place on 10 and 11 May 2011. This meeting was linked to the forthcoming Fifa presidential election.

In view of the facts alleged in this report, which include bribery allegations, Fifa Secretary General Jérôme Valcke, in compliance with art. 16 of the Fifa Code of Ethics, yesterday requested the Fifa Ethics Committee to open ethics proceedings.

Subsequently, the Fifa Ethics Committee today, 25 May 2011, opened a procedure against the following officials:

– Fifa Vice-President Jack A. Warner

– Fifa Executive Committee member Mohamed bin Hammam

– CFU official Debbie Minguell

– CFU official Jason Sylvester

The aforementioned officials have been invited to take position by 27 May 2011 and to attend a hearing by the Fifa Ethics Committee at the Home of Fifa (Zurich) on 29 May 2011.

Based on art. 87.1 of the Fifa Disciplinary Code and art. 17.2 of the Fifa Code of Ethics, the chairman of the Fifa Ethics Committee, Claudio Sulser, has declined to participate in this Fifa Ethics Committee meeting due to the Swiss nationality he shares with Joseph S. Blatter, a candidate for the forthcoming Fifa presidency.

The meeting will therefore be chaired by the deputy chairman of the Fifa Ethics Committee, Petrus Damaseb (Namibia). No additional comments will be made by Fifa until further notice.

The decision to suspend Bin Hammam throws his candidacy in to doubt, but will also lead to questions of Fifa’s motives in acting now.

There are also likely to be implications for Qatar’s 2022 World Cup, which is already the subject of allegations of corruption published in the British Parliament.

The charges against Warner, a staunch Blatter ally for more than a decade, seem to signal the end of his hugely controversial tenure as Fifa’s most influential power-broker.

Bin Hammam attended the CFU meeting after visa problems meant he was unable to attend the annual congress of the Concacaf confederation, of which Warner is president, in Miami, earlier in the month.

Each of Fifa’s 208 member associations has a vote in the presidential election, investing huge influence in larger confederations such as Concacaf, and making individual lobbying crucial.

Following the Concacaf meeting, attended by Blatter, Warner appeared to offer his backing for the president, advising him to spend his time lobbying where it might be more “useful”.

The Blatter camp remained anxious about Warner’s influence and support however, and Bin Hammam’s visit was an opportunity for the challenger to make his case directly to 30 voting members, 15 per cent of the electorate.

Warner has long been considered the kingmaker in the presidential election with his control of the 40 Concacaf votes the key to either candidate’s success.

His support has been crucial to Blatter’s two previous contested elections, in 1998 and 2002, and he helped ensure that there was no challenger in 2007.

In return Blatter has helped ensure that repeated scandals, most notably his sale of 2006 World Cup tickets intended for Trinidad fans through a family travel firm, have not cost him his post on Fifa’s executive committee.

After the CFU meeting Warner warned delegates that they might face allegations of wrongdoing, but to ignore them.

“You will hear the president of Asia came here for your vote and he gave you, a Benz for you, a Benz for you and a Benz for you,” said Warner.

“You will hear of course that he came from Asia and gave you a barrel of oil. You will hear those things.

“You will hear he gave you a ship and I am asking you, when you go back home, because [in] the media, everybody believes the worst thing possible.

“When you go back home, you hold your head high and you will tell your members that you were not part of this international nonsense.”

The charges Warner and Bin Hammam face mean such allegations can no longer be airily dismissed, and the future of Fifa will be shaped by the outcome of the legal and political battle about to be waged.

(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01904/Warner-Bin_Hammam_1904703c.jpg)
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: royal on May 25, 2011, 05:47:59 AM
I never seen a man name get call so EVERYTIME there is corruption and never get catch,never pay de consequence.Now even his own foot soldiers Chuch Blazer stabbing him.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: truetrini on May 25, 2011, 05:48:57 AM
hahahahah Looks like Sepp done bribe Blazer and the vote was supposed to go to Blatter.  Jack turn around and say I going with the higghest bidder and Chuck side with Blatter...what a tangled web we weave!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: truetrini on May 25, 2011, 05:49:55 AM
hahahahah Looks like Sepp done bribe Blazer and the vote was supposed to go to Blatter.  Jack turn around and say I going with the higghest bidder and Chuck side with Blatter...what a tangled web we weave! Concacaf doh have de unity it once had it look like.   How did Blazer get info from a CFU meeting?  Unless someone on de inside pass it???
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: injunchile on May 25, 2011, 06:13:34 AM
Jack playing both sides. Remember he is the King maker with 40 votes. Jack just making sure his bread is buttered on both sides. A smokeherring to keep Hammam out of the race. Nasty politics on the world scene.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: D.H.W on May 25, 2011, 06:19:01 AM
 :devil: look ting
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Observer on May 25, 2011, 06:19:14 AM
Window dressing tra la la tra la ley. This is pure rubbish by FIFA to take away scrutiny.

The FIFA Ethics committee has no power to conduct a proper investigation. They cannot go
into a country & demand to see bank account activities, etc etc.

Watch, they will find no wrong doing. Maybe just maybe, Bin Hammam will be discredited only because
he is the opposition to Blatter.

Joke ting this!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: D.H.W on May 25, 2011, 06:39:36 AM
Window dressing tra la la tra la ley. This is pure rubbish by FIFA to take away scrutiny.

The FIFA Ethics committee has no power to conduct a proper investigation. They cannot go
into a country & demand to see bank account activities, etc etc.

Watch, they will find no wrong doing. Maybe just maybe, Bin Hammam will be discredited only because
he is the opposition to Blatter.


Joke ting this!

i wondering this myself
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Babalawo on May 25, 2011, 06:46:41 AM
steupsssssssssssss call me when Jack Warner gets charged.  everyweek is one article after the other. no difference.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: royal on May 25, 2011, 06:48:30 AM
ah wonder what Jack will do with Blazer after he is cleared of all wrong doing
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on May 25, 2011, 06:48:53 AM
Joke thing or not, its still embarrassing for T&T to have their "most popular and most efficient" politician and, at times, acting Prime Minister involved in two corruption allegations in one month that are both international news items.

Say what you want about the mans honesty, it don't look good if you're Trini.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: FF on May 25, 2011, 07:27:02 AM
I had a mind something was up... the other day Jack say Concacaf voting as a block and Sunil Gulati come out and say he don't know nothing bout that and USSF will be voting for whoever dey want...

and now look how Blazer just roll Jack under the bus... wow...
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: JDB on May 25, 2011, 07:29:28 AM
This one real funny and interesting.

The Triesman allegations against Warner get brushed aside but the chance of Warner colluding to vote against Blatter prompts an investigation. Blatter can’t be serious because this is probably the same process that Warner uses to back Blatter’s iniatives, including his previous election wins.

Just have to sit back and see if anything will actually come of this or if it is a shot across Warner’s bow.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: weary1969 on May 25, 2011, 07:35:29 AM
ah wonder what Jack will do with Blazer after he is cleared of all wrong doing

ENTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Observer on May 25, 2011, 07:46:21 AM
ah wonder what Jack will do with Blazer after he is cleared of all wrong doing

Answer to Royal. Nutten! Those two run CONCACAF & Blazer was largely responsible for putting Jack in place. Worry not what ever happening Blazer & Jack working together, regardless of how it looks from the outside. After all we talking about the Three greatest Politricksters in FIFA (Blatter, Blazer & Warner) all mentored by the greatest ever, Havelange. You know the tune, "the beat goes on" humm along  ;D
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 25, 2011, 07:50:46 AM
steupsssssssssssss call me when Jack Warner gets charged.  everyweek is one article after the other. no difference.

ring ring! he did get charged

i think yuh mean found guilty
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Coach on May 25, 2011, 08:18:45 AM
You can only go on for so long............. ask any crook...cheat...smart-man..con-artist...thief
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Trini Madness on May 25, 2011, 08:41:15 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/a1Y73sPHKxw
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Brownsugar on May 25, 2011, 08:42:13 AM
In the words of the great Basdeo Panday, "Wake me when its over......"
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: weary1969 on May 25, 2011, 08:56:59 AM
In the words of the great Basdeo Panday, "Wake me when its over......"

ENTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: DeSoWa on May 25, 2011, 10:15:30 AM
I know we all want Warner to go down for his currupted ways...but something about this one seems fishy to me  :-\

Big Up!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on May 25, 2011, 10:29:17 AM
I know we all want Warner to go down for his currupted ways...but something about this one seems fishy to me  :-\

Big Up!

Yeah, what fishy is that all ah sudden they finding charges to bring against Bin Hammam.  Like Observer say, this is nothing but dirty politicks... once election over and Sepp back in office everything will return to normal.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: weary1969 on May 25, 2011, 10:32:47 AM
I know we all want Warner to go down for his currupted ways...but something about this one seems fishy to me  :-\

Big Up!

Al Capone went down 4 tax evasion. 4give me but howevr, he go down I go b happy like pappy. Eh expectin it from this but he have 2 fall.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: DeSoWa on May 25, 2011, 10:43:25 AM
I know we all want Warner to go down for his currupted ways...but something about this one seems fishy to me  :-\

Big Up!

Al Capone went down 4 tax evasion. 4give me but howevr, he go down I go b happy like pappy. Eh expectin it from this but he have 2 fall.

I want him to fall for the ish he do to T&T football, (if this helps, so be it) but this is not stopping the ish going on in FIFA, it just adds to it because it seems that they are only looking out for themselves and not really concerned about curruption. Don't you find it stange that Blatter is quick to lay charges on his main rival for elections, but did nothing to Warner in 2006 and all the countless other times he was accused of wrongdoings?

Big Up!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: weary1969 on May 25, 2011, 11:19:02 AM
I know we all want Warner to go down for his currupted ways...but something about this one seems fishy to me  :-\

Big Up!

Al Capone went down 4 tax evasion. 4give me but howevr, he go down I go b happy like pappy. Eh expectin it from this but he have 2 fall.

I want him to fall for the ish he do to T&T football, (if this helps, so be it) but this is not stopping the ish going on in FIFA, it just adds to it because it seems that they are only looking out for themselves and not really concerned about curruption. Don't you find it stange that Blatter is quick to lay charges on his main rival for elections, but did nothing to Warner in 2006 and all the countless other times he was accused of wrongdoings?

Big Up!

I have next 2 no control over TTFF far less FIFA. I know Sepp on games but if that means getting rid of Jack I go take it.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bourbon on May 25, 2011, 11:42:30 AM
Election gimmick.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Preacher on May 25, 2011, 12:17:06 PM
I know we all want Warner to go down for his currupted ways...but something about this one seems fishy to me  :-\

Big Up!

Yeah, what fishy is that all ah sudden they finding charges to bring against Bin Hammam.  Like Observer say, this is nothing but dirty politicks... once election over and Sepp back in office everything will return to normal.

Yep political theater
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 25, 2011, 12:36:15 PM
I had a mind something was up... the other day Jack say Concacaf voting as a block and Sunil Gulati come out and say he don't know nothing bout that and USSF will be voting for whoever dey want...

and now look how Blazer just roll Jack under the bus... wow...

Maybe the U.S. pissed about not getting the 2018 World Cup.  Was wondering what it would take for the U.S. to start flexings it's political muscle in Concacaf. 
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Big Magician on May 25, 2011, 04:31:42 PM
Im on the Pavement...Thinking about the Government
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Sam on May 25, 2011, 05:42:08 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZY3C5Pkx7s&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: truetrini on May 25, 2011, 05:53:55 PM
Suppose Blazer and Jack had a disagreement on who to support?  Chuck wanted Blatter and Warner saying Hammam?  Just suppose that Blatter and Blazer made a deal to hand Jack's position to Blazer for his support in bringing down Jack and Hmmam in one fell swoop as the word is that jack taking Concacaf votes to Hammam's side?

Doh doubt what I said as a very sound possibility!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: royal on May 25, 2011, 06:36:08 PM
Bin Hammam denies charge

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/13544347.stm
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Deeks on May 25, 2011, 06:45:33 PM
Joke thing or not, its still embarrassing for T&T to have their "most popular and most efficient" politician and, at times, acting Prime Minister involved in two corruption allegations in one month that are both international news items.

Say what you want about the mans honesty, it don't look good if you're Trini.

FS,
         TT has skin of duck feathers. With or without Jack, TT has nothing to fear about its reputation. Few people know about us. Is not like we carrying the world on our shoulders. And you know I am not a big fan of jack.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: giggsy11 on May 25, 2011, 06:51:09 PM
You can only go on for so long............. ask any crook...cheat...smart-man..con-artist...thief

Waiting for dem to catch up with Lance Armstrong!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bourbon on May 25, 2011, 08:02:13 PM
Suppose Blazer and Jack had a disagreement on who to support?  Chuck wanted Blatter and Warner saying Hammam?  Just suppose that Blatter and Blazer made a deal to hand Jack's position to Blazer for his support in bringing down Jack and Hmmam in one fell swoop as the word is that jack taking Concacaf votes to Hammam's side?

Doh doubt what I said as a very sound possibility!



I feel is dat self. My hope is dat dis trigger a nice storm dat cause something to happen.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: rotatopoti3 on May 25, 2011, 10:53:34 PM
Suppose Jack and Blazer...playing we....sound like dey plan was to instigate this bacchanal to scrutinize Hammam bid because he is a real threat but in reality dey both supporting Blatter...

Iz not jus so...Jack and Blazer goe lock horns....both ah dem iz scamp from way back and have nuff dirty laundry together....

Will Jack fall down and lose his crown and Bin come tumbling after ?  Hardly...
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Brownsugar on May 26, 2011, 04:58:37 AM
Help mih out somebody.  Ent Bin Hammam is head of the Asia Football Federation (or whatever other name they are called)??  Ent dem (AFF) control areas like Qatar??
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: mukumsplau on May 26, 2011, 06:03:31 AM
Help mih out somebody.  Ent Bin Hammam is head of the Asia Football Federation (or whatever other name they are called)??  Ent dem (AFF) control areas like Qatar??

bin hammamam is qatari as well
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: weary1969 on May 26, 2011, 06:54:09 AM
Suppose Blazer and Jack had a disagreement on who to support?  Chuck wanted Blatter and Warner saying Hammam?  Just suppose that Blatter and Blazer made a deal to hand Jack's position to Blazer for his support in bringing down Jack and Hmmam in one fell swoop as the word is that jack taking Concacaf votes to Hammam's side?

Doh doubt what I said as a very sound possibility!




I feel is dat self. My hope is dat dis trigger a nice storm dat cause something to happen.

Oh how I wish
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Dutty on May 26, 2011, 08:00:39 AM
Will Jack fall down and lose his crown and Bin come tumbling after ?  Hardly...

Nice!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: soccerrama on May 26, 2011, 10:42:17 AM

Interesting read!!!!


http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/corruption-allegations-plunge-fifa-into-civil-war-2288946.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/et-tu-chuck-blazer-looks-to-have-betrayed-his-old-friend-warner-2288945.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/james-lawton-rebelling-against-fifa-is-now-a-moral-imperative-2288944.html
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: royal on May 26, 2011, 11:32:17 AM
Email adds pressure to Warner

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/13559384.stm
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on May 26, 2011, 11:44:36 AM
Email adds pressure to Warner

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/13559384.stm

Ok, reading this I was thinking "whats the big deal?" Now you can say that the phrase "the whole of Haiti will be eternally grateful" could mean England would get Haitis vote. But Haiti didn't vote individually. As far as I can see, of course Haiti would be grateful, but this is not a bribe........

And then I read on and saw that FIFA had confirmed that nobody had paid $1.6 million for the tv rights!

And theres the problem I have always had with Jack. He can do so much good, and does do great work, but then theres the sleazy side. Perhaps Jack was mistaken? But how many times can he be wrongly accused. It doesn't make any sense how he can get caught up in so many scandals.

Sancho said last night on the radio " London accused him and theres an investigation. USA accused him and theres an investigation. The T&T High Court says the accounts he submitted were "unaccountable" and 1 million swiss francs are missing and not one person in Trinidad calls for an investigation"  And now heres FIFA again, questioning Jacks motives. Doesn't make any sense to me!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: frico on May 26, 2011, 02:37:39 PM
So lemme get dis right,JW ask dem cheapskates to fix up Haiti wid some big screens and dishes to see the WC 2010 and they want to put a charge pon im fuh bribery.Dem have so much money and they refuse dat?   
Dey should charge dem bastards instead for flouting "Human Rights" laws.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: D.H.W on May 26, 2011, 02:45:24 PM
lol dem bitches putting more nails in JW yes lol
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Observer on May 26, 2011, 03:28:00 PM
Don't Sweat, nutten eh happening. Bin Hammam dead in the water, set up a long time ago by Blazer, Jack and Blatter.
Meeting set up on purpose May 12. reported to ethics committee May25, election around the corner.

 Meeting investigated by committee. Jack will testify he was offered a bribe assistance. Bin get hammered!

Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: rotatopoti3 on May 26, 2011, 04:43:26 PM
The more I read about this ethics committee, its sounds like ah fraternity of fellas sitting around ah room and toasting Johnny Black....

Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: D.H.W on May 26, 2011, 04:45:54 PM
The more I read about this ethics committee, its sounds like ah fraternity of fellas sitting around ah room and toasting Johnny Black....



 :rotfl:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on May 26, 2011, 04:47:59 PM
So lemme get dis right,JW ask dem cheapskates to fix up Haiti wid some big screens and dishes to see the WC 2010 and they want to put a charge pon im fuh bribery.Dem have so much money and they refuse dat?   
Dey should charge dem bastards instead for flouting "Human Rights" laws.

Frico, I feel you have trouble reading this? Apparently, Jack said the screens were going to be installed by FIFA as the stadiums could not be used for football. He said a company had paid FIFA US$1.6 million for the tv rights. Jack never promised any vote. There was no attempt at bribery in my view. FIFA then came out and said, basically, that Jack lied. FIFA had never sold wc tv rights in Haiti and also had never sold any rights anywhere for US$1.6 million.

I feel some people are so in love with Jack they adopting an automatic defensive position where they don't even consider the facts. This is not about bribery, but we have the actual email from Jack and FIFA stating the facts in the email are not true. This is FIFA causing Jack problems now, and whatever their motive, you can't deny it appears that Jack was trying to scam money from England.  
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on May 26, 2011, 04:49:13 PM
The more I read about this ethics committee, its sounds like ah fraternity of fellas sitting around ah room and toasting Johnny Black....


:beermug:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Brownsugar on May 26, 2011, 05:00:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZY3C5Pkx7s&feature=player_embedded

Ah watching this clip and seeing Beckham reminded of how Jack make dem English send dey team to play we and den turn round and shaft dem.....heh heh heh  aye Jack is really ah boss in trute yes.....
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Controversial on May 26, 2011, 05:39:33 PM
The more I read about this ethics committee, its sounds like ah fraternity of fellas sitting around ah room and toasting Johnny Black....



schupppsss, johnny black? ??? yuh mad or what

is johnny blue them big guns batting steady
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Controversial on May 26, 2011, 05:41:23 PM
Don't Sweat, nutten eh happening. Bin Hammam dead in the water, set up a long time ago by Blazer, Jack and Blatter.
Meeting set up on purpose May 12. reported to ethics committee May25, election around the corner.

 Meeting investigated by committee. Jack will testify he was offered a bribe assistance. Bin get hammered!



jacky boy dread with it  :D
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: frico on May 26, 2011, 05:50:30 PM
Football supporter,
De lil bit ah news I see on BBC to-nite didn't give all the info that you got.I do not read theEnglish papers no more coz they are a bit too sensational especially when they getting their claws into people they feel have got too big,ah black man at that from ah lil dot in de Caribbean.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: dinho on May 26, 2011, 06:10:13 PM
Ah feeling like dis is it here fellahs..

Blatter and now Blazer gone against, if Jack wiggle he way out of this one he is ah boss yes.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on May 26, 2011, 06:39:49 PM
Football supporter,
De lil bit ah news I see on BBC to-nite didn't give all the info that you got.I do not read theEnglish papers no more coz they are a bit too sensational especially when they getting their claws into people they feel have got too big,ah black man at that from ah lil dot in de Caribbean.

Its all here mate! http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/13559384.stm
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: weary1969 on May 26, 2011, 06:50:40 PM
Ah feeling like dis is it here fellahs..

Blatter and now Blazer gone against, if Jack wiggle he way out of this one he is ah boss yes.

CO-SIGNNNNNNNN
Title: Re: TV rights thing real puzzling me..check this.
Post by: truetrini on May 26, 2011, 07:50:28 PM
Take a look at Infront, the company that owns the Broadcast rights to all Fifa games, and look at who the CEO is:....http://www.infrontsports.com/about-us/group-management/ ..............btw Infront works closely with Concacaf Marketing that has the Television rights for Concacaf indeed one of its execs Chuck Blazer was recently appointed to Fifa Television and is now blowing the whistle but again I don't see Fifa deaing with this one, oh yeah here is teh rest of the owners of that company:

Detail by Officer/Registered Agent Name

Florida Profit Corporation
 
CONCACAF MARKETING & TV, INC.
Filing Information

Document Number P03000068952
FEI/EIN Number 270063254
Date Filed 06/19/2003

State FL
Status ACTIVE

Principal Address
1000 FIFTH ST
MIAMI BEACH FL 33139 UN

Changed 02/17/2011
Mailing Address
725 FIFTH AVE., 17TH FLOOR
NEW YORK NY 10022 UN
Changed 02/17/2011

Registered Agent Name & Address
CT CORPORATION SYSTEM
1200 SOUTH PINE ISLAND RD.
PLANTATION FL 33324 US
 
Officer/Director Detail
Name & Address
Title C
WARNER, JACK
725 FIFTH AVE 17 FL
NEW YORK NY 10022 UN

Title P
BLAZER, CHUCK
725 FIFTH AVE 17 FL
NEW YORK NY 10022 UN

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TARANTO, JOSEPH
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Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: dreamer on May 26, 2011, 08:35:39 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/8540009/Sepp-Blatter-denies-framing-Mohammed-Bin-Hammam-and-Jack-Warner-in-Fifa-bribes-row.html

Friday 27 May 2011
Telegraph.co.uk



Sepp Blatter denies framing Mohammed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner in Fifa 'bribes’ row
The bribery scandal that has rocked Fifa intensified on Thursday night with demands from presidential candidate Mohammed Bin Hammam that an investigation into the matter be extended to include Sepp Blatter.
 
Pleading innocent: Sepp Blatter was 'shocked' by the accusation against him Photo: REUTERS By Jason Burt, Deputy Football Correspondent 10:22PM BST 26 May 2011
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Bin Hammam and Jack Warner, a Fifa vice-president, have been accused of offering bribes to Caribbean delegates in return for votes at Wednesday’s Fifa presidential election.

Bin Hammam’s statement came hours after Blatter had dismissed claims that he had orchestrated a smear campaign against both his rival and Warner, who has long been considered the kingmaker in the presidential election, with his control of the 40 Concacaf votes the key to either candidate’s success.

Blatter dismissed the accusation as “ludicruous” and “completely reprehensible” but a spokesman for Bin Hammam said: “As the recent accusations also mention incumbent Fifa president Joseph Blatter, Mohammed Bin Hammam has requested that the investigation be extended to include Mr Blatter.

The accusations include statements according to which Mr Blatter was informed of, but did not oppose, payments allegedly made to members of the Caribbean Football Union.”

The spokesman, in an email statement, concluded: “It is no coincidence that these allegations have been made only a few days before the 61st Fifa Congress at which the new president will be elected.”

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Bin Hammam and Warner have been accused of offering $40,000 bribes in return for votes.

The pair will appear before Fifa’s ethics committee on Sunday and have denied wrongdoing, suggesting they are both victims of an electioneering tactic from Blatter, who is standing for another term.

Yesterday Blatter added that he felt “shock and dismay” at the suggestion and denied that “this entire matter was somehow masterminded by me”.

In an online column, Blatter said: “I am shocked, saddened and deeply unhappy about the charges levelled against a man [Bin Hammam] whose friendship I enjoyed for many years.

"It gives me no pleasure to see him suffer public disgrace before an investigation would even have started.

"I take no joy to see men who stood by my side for some two decades, suffer through public humiliation without having been convicted of any wrongdoing. Nobody is guilty until a judge has found him guilty beyond reasonable doubt.”

Blatter, however, praised the Fifa executive member Chuck Blazer, who compiled the report that included that allegations. Blatter said the American had shown “civic courage”.

“I am horrified by the most recent developments that are shedding a very bad light on Fifa yet again.

"No sane person can take pleasure in this development, and no decent person will enjoy the troubles of others, be that friend or foe,” Blatter added.

The ethics panel can effectively hand Blatter victory in the election by suspending Bin Hammam from duty.

The panel could rule that wrongdoing was proven, or it could provisionally bar Bin Hammam if it requests more time to study evidence compiled by a federal prosecutor from Chicago, who is working for Warner’s Concacaf body.

The file of evidence is understood to include an email trail.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on May 26, 2011, 09:03:26 PM
Interesting stuff there Trinity. So it appears that Jack had control of the Haitian TV rights and the US$1.6 million he requested from the English would go to concacaf....maybe. But even if the money did go to concacaf, he still misled the FA as there was no other owner of the rights.

Reading Dreamers post you realise just how dirty this is getting. Its like a real nasty divorce! What worries me is that how are the ethics committee going to remain impartial?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: tempo on May 26, 2011, 09:25:45 PM
This is shaping up like the end of a Quentin Tarantino flick where all the characters find themselves in a Mexican Standoff and everyone ends up shooting each other. FIFA.com is streaming a live press conference after the Ethics Committee meets.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bourbon on May 26, 2011, 09:41:58 PM
Wait nah. Jack officially change he name to Jack Warner? I thought was Austin. How dat on de directors list?

Dis go have REL comess. Lets see who falls and how.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: rotatopoti3 on May 26, 2011, 09:43:10 PM
and here i thought iz only woman could start bacchanal...dem fellas redefining d word...

iz it d white man who dont want d black man for the ruler of the FIFA empire

or

is it as Controversial say...ah drink of Johnny Blue among friends at the end of the "so called ethics"committee meeting....

Stay tuned........ coming to ah theatre near you!!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: kev on May 27, 2011, 12:23:54 AM
Interesting stuff there Trinity. So it appears that Jack had control of the Haitian TV rights and the US$1.6 million he requested from the English would go to concacaf....maybe. But even if the money did go to concacaf, he still misled the FA as there was no other owner of the rights.

Reading Dreamers post you realise just how dirty this is getting. Its like a real nasty divorce! What worries me is that how are the ethics committee going to remain impartial?

Never been impartial, they're painter and decorators and have been for many a year.

For me they know the writing is on the wall for FIFA in its present form so this is their last chance for big payoff so just turning on eachother to get to the trough.  It will be very interesting to see what emerges after all these have gone and the deals made public although I suspect most will be swept under the carpet.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Zeppo on May 27, 2011, 03:41:18 AM
Another great blog entry on the subject from Bill Archer at BigSoccer:


Arrogance, Greed and the Crisis at FIFA (http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/blog.php?b=11454)

Are you seeing a pattern here?

These exact same guys keep doing the exact same stuff year after year, decade after decade, and they don't stop even when they've been caught red handed.

They're the most openly shameless bunch of guys maybe in history. They're exactly like streetcorner whores: getting nabbed by the cops every once in a while is considered the price of doing business. Their only concern is how quickly they can get processed and bonded so they can get back out there and go on whoring.
Title: Rowley on FIFA allegations: I feel embarrassed
Post by: Tallman on May 27, 2011, 04:29:27 AM
Rowley on FIFA allegations: I feel embarrassed
T&T Guardian


Opposition Leader, Keith Rowley, said yesterday he feels no sense of vindication at the allegations that have been made against Works and Transport Minister Jack Warner by an executive member of the world football body, FIFA. “I feel embarrassed,” said Rowley in an interview yesterday, describing the allegations against Warner as an “international scandal” in which a senior minister in the T&T Government “has been made to report, like an errant schoolboy, to Zurich to answer charges.” The Leader of the Opposition pointed out that the person whose conduct was being called into question was not only a senior minister but had acted as Prime Minister on a number of occasions and was the chairman of the United National Congress, the main party in the five-member People’s Partnership coalition.

In his first official act after being sworn in as the Leader of the Opposition almost one year ago, Rowley argued  Warner’s appointment to Cabinet while he retained the post of FIFA vice president was a conflict of interest and contrary to Parliament’s Code of Ethics, which was approved in 1988.

Rowley raised the conflict of interest issue with the Integrity Commission and with Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar. Rowley said there were people in T&T “who ought to have known better” who put up all kinds of “spurious arguments” in an attempt to contradict his contention that Warner could not serve in Cabinet while retaining the FIFA position. “I take no pleasure in this because I do not like to see my country portrayed in this way,” said Rowley, adding that the negative exposure the country is receiving from the issue “has brought shame, disgrace and inconvenience to the people of T&T.”
Title: Bas: Jack can’t serve two masters
Post by: Tallman on May 27, 2011, 04:30:34 AM
Bas: Jack can’t serve two masters
T&T Guardian

 
It is clear that there is an inconsistency between Jack Warner’s portfolios of Works and Transport Minister and Fifa vice-president. This was the view of former prime minister and United National Congress (UNC) leader Basdeo Panday yesterday. Panday made the remark after he was asked to comment on the allegations of bribery against Warner by Fifa executive committee member American Chuck Blazer. Warner is being accused, along with Fifa presidential candidate Muhammad bin Hammam, of offering bribes to members of the Caribbean Football Union for votes in the upcoming June 1 Fifa presidential elections.

Noting that he did not think it was right to comment before Warner’s hearing before a Fifa ethics committee in Zurich, Switzerland, Panday said: “But I have to remark that it is clear that there is an inconsistency between his portfolios as a minister and as Fifa vice-president. “This issue arose before, I remember, and he survived that argument,” he said. “My view is that those who said that the two jobs were not compatible were quite right. “It is becoming clearer and clearer that they (the portfolios) are not compatible, and he ought to choose (between the two).”

Panday said the allegations of bribery against Warner must surely be embarrassing to T&T and the Government. Congress of the People (COP) chairman Joseph Toney said from where he sits, the matter was of grave concern to him. “Warner is a premier minister of the People’s Partnership Government of which the COP is a vital part. “If, at the end of the day, the allegations prove to be correct, we will have more to say.” Asked if he felt the same way about the recent allegations of wrongdoing brought against COP member Mary King, Toney said: “The Mary King issue was purely governmental. “Warner’s matter has some implications for the Government, but is a football issue.” Contacted for comment yesterday Attorney General Anand Ramlogan said: “I have no comment to make on that.”
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Mose on May 27, 2011, 05:05:46 AM
Did they really not know what they were getting into??? Why do I have a hard time believing that?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Brownsugar on May 27, 2011, 05:06:27 AM
Ah feeling like dis is it here fellahs..

Blatter and now Blazer gone against, if Jack wiggle he way out of this one he is ah boss yes.

Dinho boy, is long time we eh agree on something.......but yuh take de words right off mih key board dey boss.....Sunday May 29th will be interesting indeed!!!.....
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on May 27, 2011, 05:46:49 AM
...and the thot plickens



Blatter facing ethics hearing with FIFA rival

7:21am EDT

(http://www.reuters.com/resources/r/?m=02&d=20110527&t=2&i=423233372&w=460&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&r=2011-05-27T111802Z_01_BTRE74Q0VE900_RTROPTP_0_PALESTINIANS)


ZURICH (Reuters) - FIFA president Sepp Blatter will face an ethics investigation alongside his election rival Mohamed bin Hammam after soccer's governing body widened its enquiry into bribes-for-votes allegations.

In shock move on Friday, FIFA said it was calling Blatter to appear at an ethics hearing on Sunday, three days before he stands against challenger Bin Hammam in the election for the most powerful job in world soccer.

Bin Hammam was summoned on Wednesday, along with CONCACAF president Jack Warner and two Caribbean Football Union (CFU) officials, after fellow executive committee member Chuck Blazer reported a possible case of bribery in the election campaign.

According to FIFA's statement on Friday, ethics proceedings were opened against Blatter at Bin Hamman's request because the FIFA president may have known about cash payments to delegates at the meeting.

"I cannot comment on the proceedings that have been opened against me today," Blatter, who has been FIFA president since 1998, said in a brief statement on Friday. "The facts will speak for themselves."

Bin Hammam has denied any wrongdoing in the matter, which concerns a CFU meeting attended by Bin Hammam and Warner on May 10-11.

The presidential election, in which the two men are the only candidates, is due to go ahead on June 1 at the annual FIFA Congress in Zurich but is now surrounded by uncertainty.

FIFA would not comment on the potential consequences of the ethics committee hearing, to be headed by Namibia's Petrus Damaseb.

However, a previous ethics committee hearing in November handed down provisional bans to two executive committee members who allegedly offered to sell their votes in the 2018 and 2022 World Cup hosting contest to undercover newspaper reporters.

If such a ban was handed to one or both of the candidates it would make it impossible to hold the election on June 1.

Blatter is standing for a fourth term against Qatari Bin Hammam, head of the Asian Football Confederation.

The crisis erupted on Wednesday following a report by CONCACAF general secretary Blazer alleging possible violations of the FIFA code of ethics.

On Thursday, Bin Hammam said in a statement that Blatter was aware of alleged payments and should therefore be investigated himself.

FIFA accepted that view and will invite Blatter, who recently described the governing body as comfortably off with over $1 billion in reserves, to explain his conduct in the matter.

(Writing by Brian Homewood in Berne; Editing by Kevin Fylan)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/27/us-soccer-fifa-idUSTRE74Q2BK20110527
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bourbon on May 27, 2011, 05:52:26 AM
Ah feeling like dis is it here fellahs..

Blatter and now Blazer gone against, if Jack wiggle he way out of this one he is ah boss yes.

Dinho boy, is long time we eh agree on something.......but yuh take de words right off mih key board dey boss.....Sunday May 29th will be interesting indeed!!!.....

I eh banking on it for the reason that this could all be rats looking to survive in the face of the election. This will be used not for the sake of justice but the sake of convienence. How far this goes depends on how convienent it is for whoever is in control. The embarassment/shame is nothing. FIFA has no shame anyhow.

Three things key in this:

This could (and most likely is) a election tactic. Thus it would be employed only for the sake of elections.

Jack obviously would have files on Blatter and Blazer. Will he get to use that trump or does he plan to use that?

More likely than not....de voters would already know who they voting for. If Blatter resort to this then he most likely have reasons to believe that it would not be in his favor, and thus eliminating competition. If so then you hadda wonder what preference the "ethics committee" has.....either Blatter or Bin Hammam. That preference crucial to how this goes...a slap on de wrist leading to a Bin Hammam election victory......or they nailed to the cross and Blatter retains it by default. However if that happens would Blatter be able to trust anyone? In fact how does he know who to trust now?


Dis go be nice and messy. I vex I in de bush dis weekend oui. I go hadda read bout all dis monday.



*Edit* As i was typing that reply...I see Bakes now post someting dey. Leh me take a read....but from the headline i eh suprised.


*Edit 2: Now dat I read it.......

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p1/triniBourbon/testvn.jpg)
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 27, 2011, 06:29:25 AM
and here i thought iz only woman could start bacchanal...dem fellas redefining d word...

iz it d white man who dont want d black man for the ruler of the FIFA empire

or

is it as Controversial say...ah drink of Johnny Blue among friends at the end of the "so called ethics"committee meeting....

Stay tuned........ coming to ah theatre near you!!

are you serious?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: JDB on May 27, 2011, 06:30:49 AM
This is shaping up like the end of a Quentin Tarantino flick where all the characters find themselves in a Mexican Standoff and everyone ends up shooting each other. FIFA.com is streaming a live press conference after the Ethics Committee meets.

Wow.

This is the exact same thought that cross my mind this morning...a circular firing squad.
Ah feeling like dis is it here fellahs..

Blatter and now Blazer gone against, if Jack wiggle he way out of this one he is ah boss yes.

Dinho boy, is long time we eh agree on something.......but yuh take de words right off mih key board dey boss.....Sunday May 29th will be interesting indeed!!!.....


I honestly don’t know how this will play out. I know plenty people thinking this is a ploy by Jack and Blatter to sink Bin Hamman and Jack will come out clean. The thing that makes me believe something could play off is the detail of getting affidavits and charging the small fry too. Seems to be a very involved plot because if Bin Hamman gets discredited it hard for Jack to come out smelling like roses. I don’t know that he love Blatter that much, because he would now be screwing people within FIFA (not just fans and players), and would be a target going forward.

Added to the fact that he is not his bullish self in resposne to these allegations. He keeping relatively quiet when yuh consider that even after getting caught dead to rights with “Ticket or Leave It” he does deny it with venom.

I surprise that Blatter this scared by Bin Hamman though. He must have Asia and Africa locked up and Sepp depending on  Concacaf.

Also who in the CFU so brave as to try and align with Blazer to damage Warner? Plenty questions.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: rotatopoti3 on May 27, 2011, 06:34:34 AM
are you serious?

like yuh shocked soldier... ;D
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: D.H.W on May 27, 2011, 06:40:08 AM
getting better by the day
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 27, 2011, 06:54:06 AM
are you serious?

like yuh shocked soldier... ;D

oh is kicks you on, as far as i am concerned the whole of fifa should be lined up at dawn infront the firing squad

blatter talks abotu how much football does for poverty and equality etc but they getting obscenely rich doinging a lil charity work on the side

btw biggest employer in the world? FIFA food for thought
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Dutty on May 27, 2011, 07:32:01 AM
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p1/triniBourbon/testvn.jpg)

;D ;D

 
Vipers fightin to death in the pit

That big soccer article that zeppo posted make mih laugh....man say it have no word for jack level of kleptomania :rotfl:

"the biggest criminal in the world" is ah trini......WE REACH :wavetowel:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Sam on May 27, 2011, 08:03:36 AM
I hope Jack fall so deep he meet he maker - SATAN....
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 27, 2011, 08:29:55 AM
if they catch jack and do what ever (mind you this is no criminal investigation) he taking down everyone else with him watch n see
Title: Inside Fifa, where no one can tell where the money ends up
Post by: Tallman on May 27, 2011, 09:46:25 AM
Inside Fifa, where no one can tell where the money ends up
By Matt Scott (guardian.co.uk)


Seven days ago, an individual at the heart of Mohamed Bin Hammam's Fifa presidential-election campaign was clear on what football's global governing body has become in the 13 years of Sepp Blatter's leadership. "Fifa has been transformed into a personal, private organisation," he said. "Everyone must work within Fifa on this principle or they are out."

As Bin Hammam stands charged by Fifa with alleged breaches of its ethics code that could end his career in football politics, let alone his presidential chances, those words seem prescient. He disputes the bribery accusations, also aimed at the Concacaf president, Jack Warner, raised by a fellow Fifa executive-committee member, the American Chuck Blazer, and rails against them as a "tactic" enacted by an electorally embattled Blatter. The Qatari challenger is certainly not alone in believing that he is at the centre of a politically motivated witch hunt.

Those around Blatter have sought to separate the political struggle from the scandal currently engulfing Fifa's Zurich headquarters. But accusations that Fifa's political and administrative structures have become inextricably entwined with Blatter's personal agenda are never far away. "What Fifa needs is reform of the Fifa administration," said a former senior employee who spoke to the Guardian on condition of anonymity. "It's a heavyweight body that has been built to keep the business and politics going as they are at the moment. For them there is no need to change anything."

Whatever his part in Fifa's undeniable business success, Blatter's own rise has seemed inexorable. Having started out as its general secretary in 1981, he became chief executive in 1990 before his elevation to president in 1998. Over this time he has been able to take personal credit for an extraordinary uplift in Fifa's revenues. In 2005 Fifa declared total income of $664.7m (£406m). By 2009, the equivalent stage of the next quadrennial World Cup cycle, that figure had climbed to more than $1bn. The practical effect of this wealth creation has been for Fifa to dispense $794m in "development-related expenses" in the four-year period between the 2006 Germany and 2010 South Africa World Cups.

This has created a lot of grateful football associations around the world, all of whom have the opportunity to express their gratitude with votes in presidential elections. Some have more cause to be grateful than others. Fifa's light-touch monitoring of how associations spend the riches it generates is another area that serves an ambitious football politician well, for there are few oversight procedures for how the development funds are spent by the ultimate recipients.

A good example comes from Warner's own national association, Trinidad & Tobago. In the days leading up to the controversial 2018 and 2022 World Cup bid decision last year Warner was involved in a court case in Trinidad & Tobago in which it emerged that at no point after the 2006 World Cup had the T&T Football Association prepared audited accounts detailing what it received from sponsorship or central Fifa disbursements relating to the World Cup. This state of affairs rendered funds paid into the accounts of the federation completely untraceable. There is no evidence of any wrongdoing by Warner or the TTFA, but the troubling point is that there is no evidence of anything.

Likewise Jacques Anouma, whom the Sunday Times this month accused under parliamentary privilege of receiving $1.5m in bribes from the Qatar World Cup bid – which he denies – faces accusations in his homeland of obfuscation. Anouma is, as the Ivory Coast's representative on the Fifa executive committee, another of the 24 most powerful men in world football.

"After the 2010 World Cup [Anouma] never gave a detailed account of the FIF's [the Ivorian FA] financial activities to the presidents of the clubs," said an Ivorian journalist who asked not to be named. "There's a lack of transparency. Nothing's clear about sponsorship money. It's impossible to see what the FIF earns from sponsorship."

And so how the billions of pounds the world governing body generates every four years from a sponsorship and broadcasting-rights bonanza are truly benefiting the world game is rendered largely invisible. Some within Fifa are concerned that this lack of accountability is a dangerous drain on world football's resources. "The whole business is very opaque," added the former senior employee of Fifa. "A small group of people is hiding a lot. The whole key is to receive more information, about what comes through the so-called sport-development and CSR programmes of Fifa."

Anouma's West African rival Amos Adamu lost his post on the Fifa executive committee when the ethics committee probed the Sunday Times's allegations that he and another ex-co member, Reynald Temarii, were willing to accept bribes. The retribution was swift and decisive, with Blatter talking about "angels and devils". But the purge was only partial.

The Brazilian politician Anthony Garotinho has called for a parliamentary inquiry into widespread allegations about the conduct of Ricardo Teixeira, another Fifa ex-co member, and his business interests. At one point up to a third of Brazil's parliament supported his petition although later, after lobbying from Teixeira and the Brazilian football federation, a political donor, several withdrew their signatures. At Fifa, meanwhile, it is as if no one has ever spoken ill of Teixeira, who also happens to be chairman of its multibillion-dollar 2014 World Cup organising committee. Politically, he is a fierce Blatter loyalist and related by marriage to the Swiss's predecessor, João Havelange.

Like a benign cardinal, it seems Blatter will pardon any sin among certain of his flock. Indeed, he talks only of the virtues of his "development programme" without providing any details of what is being developed. In an interview on Fifa.com last September, in which he was asked "what motivates him" after all these years, Blatter said: "When I arrived at Fifa, I was given a task that consisted of putting in place a development programme and of selling the idea to national associations and sponsors. I got down to the job, and in doing so I quite quickly became aware of the fact that football is much more than a game. I then realised that, personally speaking, I had a mission to fulfil. And that mission isn't finished yet."

Julio Grondona, a Blatter loyalist, a Fifa vice-president and the head of its finance committee, described it like this yesterday: "We run socialism with cash. We distribute money so everyone can have some."

Despite Grondona's support, not everyone around Fifa's highest table has always believed in the model. In 2002 the collapse of Fifa's broadcast-rights partner ISL had left its finances in a precarious state. At a press conference in Seoul David Will, Britain's executive-committee member, made public a letter he had distributed to the full Fifa congress.

In it he accused Blatter of allowing Fifa to run at a loss of £215m over his four years as president, effectively rendering the organisation "insolvent". Will, and the four Fifa executive-committee members stood four square behind him — Lennart Johansson, Uefa's top politician whom Blatter had defeated in the 1998 presidential campaign, Issa Hayatou, the Conderation of African Football president who was challenging Blatter at the 2002 election, the Italian Antonio Matarrese and the Korean Chung Mong-joon — were all executive-committee members. All had lost faith in Blatter's presidency.

Yet despite these damaging accusations from men at the very top of the organisation and a pledge from Blatter to effect transparency, his supporters – including such as Libya's Al-Saadi Gaddafi – filibustered the next day's Fifa congress with undiluted praise for the incumbent. The paeans served Blatter well and he was carried back into office, 139 votes to Hayatou's 56.

There was an immediate purge of those Fifa staff who were perceived to have supported the rebels. The general secretary, Michel Zen-Ruffinen, and two of his aides were dispatched, as was the director of communications, Keith Cooper, among others. After such a process of cleansing, their heirs on the Fifa staff might be forgiven for slavishly delivering a presidential agenda. Resistance is demonstrably futile.

Jérôme Valcke, the current general secretary, is known to believe that if Bin Hammam wins next Wednesday's presidential election he will be ousted from his role as Fifa's most senior functionary, so it may have been with some relish that he referred the allegations about the Qatari and Warner to the ethics committee.

Although Bin Hammam has publicly stated that Blatter would continue to have a role at Fifa under his presidency, such is the rancour between the two rivals that Blatter must surely win next week — if an election goes ahead at all — to have an ongoing involvement at Fifa House. To lose would present a major problem for the 75-year-old: those who know him best say without any hint of humour that if he and Fifa are separated, Blatter would die of a broken heart.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: weary1969 on May 27, 2011, 10:57:59 AM
Two other Trinis charged with Warner

By Ian Prescott ian.prescott@trinidadexpress.com

THE two other people named to face a FIFA tribunal in Zurich, Switzerland on Sunday are both from Trinidad and Tobago and work for Caribbean Football Union (CFU) president and FIFA vice-president Jack Warner.

Warner, also president of CONCACAF, and Asian Football Confederation president Mohamed Bin Hammam are both facing allegations of bribery linked to FIFA presidential elections on June 1. They face lengthy suspensions if the bribery allegations are proven.

FIFA also said CFU employees Debbie Minguell and Jason Sylvester are under investigation.

FIFA acted after receiving a report from FIFA executive committee member American Chuck Blazer regarding Warner and Bin Hammam's alleged conduct at a CFU meeting on May 10-11 in Trinidad and Tobago. On Warner's invitation, Bin Hammam met with 25 Caribbean football leaders at the Hyatt Regency Hotel in Port of Spain on May 11 to lobby votes for his candidacy for FIFA president. FIFA vice-president Warner and Bin Hammam are accused of offering bribes to members of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) for votes in the upcoming FIFA presidential elections on June 1. The Daily Telegraph in London reported that CFU members were offered US$40,000 for their votes in the FIFA presidential elections. Both FIFA officials have declared their innocence in the matter.

Warner, 68, will leave Trinidad tomorrow morning for Zurich where he will answer the allegations before a FIFA Ethics Committee. Minguell and Sylvester both work for the Caribbean Football Union, which is based in Warner's CONCACAF office on Edward Street, Port of Spain. Minguell is currently assistant to CFU general secretary Anganie Kanhai. Minguell has been with the CFU for a while and has previously worked with Kerry Alleyne, who was the first woman to hold the position of CFU general secretary, before resigning in 2006 and migrating to the United States.

A call to the CONCACAF president's office yesterday revealed that Minguell was on vacation. Sylvester has been with CFU for four years where he is the event coordinator. His job includes handling tournaments. Sylvester is currently in Guyana where he is in charge of the CFU Club Championship Finals involving Tempete (Haiti), Alpha (Guyana), Puerto Rico Islanders and Trinidad and Tobago champions Defence Force.

Warner's lawyer Om Lalla was yesterday asked to shed light on whether the Caribbean Football Union officials were also required to travel to Switzerland to face FIFA as well. Lalla, represents both Warner and the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation.

Lalla would likely represent both Warner and his CFU counterparts, but he could not yet say if the other CFU officials will be required to travel to Zurich. Lalla also said he will confirm today whether he will be accompanying Warner to Zurich.

"It is a tribunal hearing governed by the rules of FIFA," Lalla disclosed. "Like any other tribunal , persons will be call upon to make statements and present whatever evidence, but of the exact details, I don't have the particulars as yet.

"Tomorrow I will be in a much better position to give that, "Lalla said. "Remember, it is a very rushed hearing and at this point we are not certain of the exact procedure. But tomorrow we will probably have some documentation."
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Coop's on May 27, 2011, 11:31:04 AM
What i like about this is no one here have any sympathy for Jack,he continues to be pressured by all and sundry,by now you all should realize is not only Jack corrupted and unfaithful to various organizations and countries,this the organization he is in and it's how and what they are about,you can't be clean and belong to FIFA it's part of their genes it's what they do,it's how they wheel and deal,it's about themselves,every single one of them have skeleton in their closet,you all see now why i always try to put in a good word for Jack,regardless to how we feel we benefitted from his corruption.

We have nothing to be shamed about because we are the smallest country involved and it have bigger fish to fry/go down with us,imagine Rowley jumping on the banwaggon they use it for election now he using to give the opposition some pips,i never thought Football would be so important in this country wonders never sease.

My only wish is that he can come through this as he always does with everything else. 
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: MEP on May 27, 2011, 11:47:41 AM
What i like about this is no one here have any sympathy for Jack,he continues to be pressured by all and sundry,by now you all should realize is not only Jack corrupted and unfaithful to various organizations and countries,this the organization he is in and it's how and what they are about,you can't be clean and belong to FIFA it's part of their genes it's what they do,it's how they wheel and deal,it's about themselves,every single one of them have skeleton in their closet,you all see now why i always try to put in a good word for Jack,regardless to how we feel we benefitted from his corruption.

We have nothing to be shamed about because we are the smallest country involved and it have bigger fish to fry/go down with us,imagine Rowley jumping on the banwaggon they use it for election now he using to give the opposition some pips,i never thought Football would be so important in this country wonders never sease.

My only wish is that he can come through this as he always does with everything else. 
Why???
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 27, 2011, 11:57:58 AM
What i like about this is no one here have any sympathy for Jack,he continues to be pressured by all and sundry,by now you all should realize is not only Jack corrupted and unfaithful to various organizations and countries,this the organization he is in and it's how and what they are about,you can't be clean and belong to FIFA it's part of their genes it's what they do,it's how they wheel and deal,it's about themselves,every single one of them have skeleton in their closet,you all see now why i always try to put in a good word for Jack,regardless to how we feel we benefitted from his corruption.

We have nothing to be shamed about because we are the smallest country involved and it have bigger fish to fry/go down with us,imagine Rowley jumping on the banwaggon they use it for election now he using to give the opposition some pips,i never thought Football would be so important in this country wonders never sease.

My only wish is that he can come through this as he always does with everything else. 
come through removed from FIFA and focus on being a decent MOWT! build roads man build roads nice ones too from toco to icacosand from central to galeota! spread throught the country so we stop trying to fit everybody up in the NE peninsula!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on May 27, 2011, 12:29:01 PM
I hope Jack fall so deep he meet he maker - SATAN....

 :rotfl:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: diamondtrim on May 27, 2011, 03:10:39 PM
As usual....JACK IS A BOSSS!!!

Folks....allow me to share something that i was privy too last night.

My apologies for not posting before, but i was attempting to ascertain its accuracy. I am still unable to but nevertheless thought I would be remiss if I didnt post it:

Jack, Sepp and Blazer have aligned themselves together to defeat(crushingly) Bin Hamaan.
The tactic is to show that FIFA is intent on dealing with corruption and the aforementuoned trio have takena  collective decision to show the world that FIFA will charge their own president and vp if there are any hints of wrongdoing. Jack volunteered himself for this and Bin Hamaan was proverbially set up.

Isnt it passing strange that Jack invited Bin Hamaan to trini as opposed to miami where the concacaf congress was held? Claims of visa problems is rubbish. Fifa bigwig with no visa???

Jack and Sepp had discussed payments long before Bin Hamaan got to trini....now all of a sudden Jack and Bin Hamaan charged with some insignificant CFU officials who's incentive is a free first class trip to zurich.

The plan is for Jack, Sepp and Bin Hamaan to appear before the ethics committee....Jack and Sepp will say payments were agreed and authorized...but Bin Hamaan was the one who got greedy.

Sepp will show himself to be 'serious' about corruption in FIFA....the FA charges against Jack will be cast out and Sepp will win the election.

I always say that Jack is a boss.....he is a powerbroker...THE most influential man in FIFA....dont ever negate that fact. He plays politics on a different level....one that is sometimes difficult to comprehend.


Watch this space......
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: 1-868 on May 27, 2011, 03:22:04 PM
I hope Jack fall so deep he meet he maker - SATAN....

Jack is SATAN
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: dreamer on May 27, 2011, 03:47:03 PM
What i like about this is no one here have any sympathy for Jack,he continues to be pressured by all and sundry,by now you all should realize is not only Jack corrupted and unfaithful to various organizations and countries,this the organization he is in and it's how and what they are about,you can't be clean and belong to FIFA it's part of their genes it's what they do,it's how they wheel and deal,it's about themselves,every single one of them have skeleton in their closet,you all see now why i always try to put in a good word for Jack,regardless to how we feel we benefitted from his corruption.

We have nothing to be shamed about because we are the smallest country involved and it have bigger fish to fry/go down with us,imagine Rowley jumping on the banwaggon they use it for election now he using to give the opposition some pips,i never thought Football would be so important in this country wonders never sease.

My only wish is that he can come through this as he always does with everything else. 

Coop's I feel you could be even a better fit than Jackula for FIFA wuk. Ent?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Brownsugar on May 27, 2011, 04:24:01 PM
What i like about this is no one here have any sympathy for Jack,

What I feeling sympathy towards he for??  When he was trying to tief my money from me as a fan who just wanted to take in the games in 2006 he did feel sorry for me??....steups!!!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: royal on May 27, 2011, 04:27:37 PM
I feel something ain't right.All this investigations all of a sudden.Something fishy about all this.Something playing that we not seeing.One thing ah could tell you is Jack ain't no foolish man when coming to tiefing and corruption.He will NEVER leave a paper trail.Blatter and Blazer against Jack? ah setta smokescreen they blowing up we a$$ and the British are the biggest takers.    
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Brownsugar on May 27, 2011, 04:32:38 PM
Added to the fact that he is not his bullish self in resposne to these allegations. He keeping relatively quiet when yuh consider that even after getting caught dead to rights with “Ticket or Leave It” he does deny it with venom.

I expected to hear the usual dey lie and ah goh sue dem.....but all we got was a press release.....ah feel he playing dead to catch corbeaux alive.....ah doh trust that serpent further than I could throw him.....

My cousin who does always have mih in some damn argument over Jack just call mih to ask mih if ah celebrating....ah tell him no.  Ah tell him dat man like the Teflon Don nutten doh stick, so ah waiting for the outcome Sunday.....
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Blue on May 27, 2011, 05:37:16 PM
I feel something ain't right.All this investigations all of a sudden.Something fishy about all this.Something playing that we not seeing.One thing ah could tell you is Jack ain't no foolish man when coming to tiefing and corruption.He will NEVER leave a paper trail.Blatter and Blazer against Jack? ah setta smokescreen they blowing up we a$$ and the British are the biggest takers.    

Jack made a mistake when he lied to England about the 2018 bid...they do not forgive and forget. Whether it happens this weekend or not, they will take him down. He and Gaddafi in d same boat.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: D.H.W on May 27, 2011, 05:57:12 PM
Whether it happens this weekend or not, they will take him down. He and Gaddafi in d same boat.

 :beermug:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: truetrini on May 27, 2011, 11:21:38 PM
I feel something ain't right.All this investigations all of a sudden.Something fishy about all this.Something playing that we not seeing.One thing ah could tell you is Jack ain't no foolish man when coming to tiefing and corruption.He will NEVER leave a paper trail.Blatter and Blazer against Jack? ah setta smokescreen they blowing up we a$$ and the British are the biggest takers.    

Jack made a mistake when he lied to England about the 2018 bid...they do not forgive and forget. Whether it happens this weekend or not, they will take him down. He and Gaddafi in d same boat.

But Jack has a point!  England only got 2 votes!  One from their own man and one from somewhere else...JUST ONE..why is it he is held as the blame?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Blue on May 28, 2011, 01:24:02 AM
I feel something ain't right.All this investigations all of a sudden.Something fishy about all this.Something playing that we not seeing.One thing ah could tell you is Jack ain't no foolish man when coming to tiefing and corruption.He will NEVER leave a paper trail.Blatter and Blazer against Jack? ah setta smokescreen they blowing up we a$$ and the British are the biggest takers.    

Jack made a mistake when he lied to England about the 2018 bid...they do not forgive and forget. Whether it happens this weekend or not, they will take him down. He and Gaddafi in d same boat.

But Jack has a point!  England only got 2 votes!  One from their own man and one from somewhere else...JUST ONE..why is it he is held as the blame?

Because he said he would vote for them and he didnt. He lied to a lot of important people. He took their  'incentives' (i.e. - England friendly in TnT) and then didnt even give them a single vote. You can't tell the Prince, "You have my vote" a day before and then go back on that, that is blatant disrespect. Had he kept his word and voted for them (doh mind they woulda lost anyway) he would not have been targeted as the scapegoat.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: davidephraim on May 28, 2011, 01:34:19 AM
I feel something ain't right.All this investigations all of a sudden.Something fishy about all this.Something playing that we not seeing.One thing ah could tell you is Jack ain't no foolish man when coming to tiefing and corruption.He will NEVER leave a paper trail.Blatter and Blazer against Jack? ah setta smokescreen they blowing up we a$$ and the British are the biggest takers.    

Jack made a mistake when he lied to England about the 2018 bid...they do not forgive and forget. Whether it happens this weekend or not, they will take him down. He and Gaddafi in d same boat.

But Jack has a point!  England only got 2 votes!  One from their own man and one from somewhere else...JUST ONE..why is it he is held as the blame?

Because he said he would vote for them and he didnt. He lied to a lot of important people. He took their  'incentives' (i.e. - England friendly in TnT) and then didnt even give them a single vote. You can't tell the Prince, "You have my vote" a day before and then go back on that, that is blatant disrespect. Had he kept his word and voted for them (doh mind they woulda lost anyway) he would not have been targeted as the scapegoat.

Along the same line of thought one can say that if the Prince had sat on Jennings for one more night they may have feared better. England look like they cant control they lap dogs and Fifa made dem pay for it. not just jack.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on May 28, 2011, 01:37:34 AM
I feel something ain't right.All this investigations all of a sudden.Something fishy about all this.Something playing that we not seeing.One thing ah could tell you is Jack ain't no foolish man when coming to tiefing and corruption.He will NEVER leave a paper trail.Blatter and Blazer against Jack? ah setta smokescreen they blowing up we a$$ and the British are the biggest takers.    

Jack made a mistake when he lied to England about the 2018 bid...they do not forgive and forget. Whether it happens this weekend or not, they will take him down. He and Gaddafi in d same boat.

But Jack has a point!  England only got 2 votes!  One from their own man and one from somewhere else...JUST ONE..why is it he is held as the blame?

Because he said he would vote for them and he didnt. He lied to a lot of important people. He took their  'incentives' (i.e. - England friendly in TnT) and then didnt even give them a single vote. You can't tell the Prince, "You have my vote" a day before and then go back on that, that is blatant disrespect. Had he kept his word and voted for them (doh mind they woulda lost anyway) he would not have been targeted as the scapegoat.

Try explaining that to Coop's! Lack of principle is the main issue the English have with Jack!!

Don't court them for favours and then break your promise to them and then point to others and say I'm not the only one who did not vote for you because your bid was weak.

Jack accustomed misleading people cool cool cool! He did the same thing to our 2006 World Cup players when he promised them the 50% bonus and then went back on his promise!!

The English will do their best to hang Jack & FIFA and in the end will do us all a big favour!!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on May 28, 2011, 02:00:10 AM
Try explaining that to Coop's! Lack of principle is the main issue the English have with Jack!!

Don't court them for favours and then break your promise to them and then point to others and say I'm not the only one who did not vote for you because your bid was weak.

Jack accustomed misleading people cool cool cool! He did the same thing to our 2006 World Cup players when he promised them the 50% bonus and then went back on his promise!!

The English will do their best to hang Jack & FIFA and in the end will do us all a big favour!!

This is it right here... yes they're bitter about losing out to Qatar, but is HOW they lost that is most revolting.  Jack straight up lied to their faces... dangled his vote before them, allowed them to court him for two yrs then straight up turn around and blank them.  I don't care what nobody say, FIFA bounce they head on that 2022 vote, and look sure enough it has come back to (potentially) bite them.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on May 28, 2011, 02:07:22 AM
If I remember correctly, if Jack had voted for England, they would have gotten through to the second round. It was then expected that those who voted for countries that were out would swing behind England.

As for England controlling their lapdogs, this may come as a surprise, Ryan, but the UK enjoys something called a free press. It is not controlled by govt. However, I will admit that newspaper owners have a certain biase. But this is widely known, so you buy the paper that has your political views.

If T&T enjoyed the same freedom, Jack would now be working for CEPEP. I don't blame the press, Trinidad is a relatively small country so it makes poor business sense to oppose those in power. But don't criticise the British press. They are jackals, but they have also dethroned many British MPs and exposed scandals.  
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Blue on May 28, 2011, 02:32:26 AM
As for England controlling their lapdogs, this may come as a surprise, Ryan, but the UK enjoys something called a free press. It is not controlled by govt. However, I will admit that newspaper owners have a certain biase. But this is widely known, so you buy the paper that has your political views. .  

Thanks for the heads up  :beermug:
Title: They can't hang my Jack
Post by: Tallman on May 28, 2011, 06:28:05 AM
They can't hang my Jack...Warner off to Zurich to answer bribery charges
By Anna Ramdass (T&T Express)


FIFA vice-president Jack Warner said yesterday that his Jack will not be hung and declared that the world should brace for a "football tsunami" over the next couple of days.

Warner leaves this morning for Zurich, Switzerland, where he will face FIFA's ethics committee to answer allegations of bribery tomorrow.

Warner, also the Minister of Works and Transport and chairman of the United National Congress (UNC), is accused along with FIFA presidential candidate Mohamed Bin Hammam, of offering bribes to members of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) in exchange for votes in the FIFA presidential elections which will take place next Wednesday.

Speaking to reporters on the adjournment of Parliament at the Red House in Port of Spain yesterday, Warner repeated that he was not guilty of any wrongdoing. Warner said a bombshell is looming.

"I tell you something, in the next couple days you will see a football tsunami that will hit FIFA and the world that will shock you. ... The time has come when I must stop playing dead so you'll see it, it's coming, trust me you'll see it by now and Monday," said Warner.

"I have been here for 29 consecutive years and if the worst happen, the worst happen," he added.

Asked if he was prepared to walk away from FIFA at anytime soon, Warner answered, "If that is what it comes to so be it, you must never get too attached to anything, it clouds your judgment and therefore whatever happens, happens, que sera sera. I am not even remotely bothered. I had planned to leave Saturday morning in any case because I have meetings on Sunday afternoon. ... They can do what they want, it doesn't bother me".

Questioned on whether he thinks that this time around his Jack will be hung, he responded: "Me? I have lived three score and almost ten and my Jack hasn't been hanged as yet, why should it be hung now? By whom? The American Chuck Blazer? His American lawyer John Collins? Give me a break. I am not the faint-hearted you know ... Let them go ahead, I have no problem with that. But I'll tell you something, I will hold my head high to the very end because, I repeat here again, I am not guilty of a single iota of wrongdoing."

Warner also faces another probe into allegations of unethical behaviour in a British lawmakers' hearing this month.

The former head of England's failed 2018 World Cup bid, Lord David Triesman, has alleged Warner asked for money to build an education centre and buy 2010 World Cup broadcast rights for Haiti.

An e-mail from Warner to Triesman in February 2010 was released by the BBC where Warner urged the FA to contribute towards the cost of purchasing the rights to show World Cup matches on giant screens in Haiti.

Warner said all these attacks and allegations against him were driven by envy.

"I am in FIFA for 29 consecutive years, I was the first black man to have ever been in FIFA at this level. I have come from the smallest country ever to be on the FIFA executive committee. There is no country smaller than Trinidad and Tobago on FIFA's executive committee. I am wielding more power in FIFA now than sometimes even the president, I must be the envy of others.

"In terms of football history my country does not even have one and therefore there are people out there who would ask why should I be there and what is my role, so I become the butt of all kinds of attacks and I accept this without any kind of anger because I understand people, this is the nature of human beings," he said.

Referring specifically to the e-mail, he said: "What it (e-mail) says (is) to help Haiti get two big screens to see the World Cup for $1.6 million, that's the e-mail! ... did it say anything about Jack Warner? Jack Warner asked to help Haiti to see the World Cup by putting some big screens, what is wrong with that? I repeat, this is election time my friends."

Warner said both England and the United States were upset with him because they did not win the bid to host the World Cups.

He said he does not understand why England was against him as the country only got one vote so others should be questioned as to why they did not vote in England's favour.

"The US is accusing me of not working hard enough for them. What more you want me to do, go in the people house and sleep with them? I can't do that! I did for the US all I could have done," he said.

"This is an election time in FIFA, it happens every time ... especially when there is a contender," Warner said, noting that the last time FIFA President Sepp Blatter had a contender was in 2002 and then too, there was heated controversy.

"FIFA politics is far bigger than the politics you have seen here. It make our politics here look like child's play. Now at the end of the day, if even the worst happens, I'm still president of CONCACAF," he added.

Asked about his current relationship with Blatter, Warner said many were upset because of his meeting with Bin Hammam. "I know they were not pleased with it, but I intend for fairplay. I do not believe I should rubber-stamp Mr Blatter. We have had our differences in the past and some very serious ones too. That didn't influence me in any way, but I wanted to hear Mr Bin Hammam, I think that was the correct thing to do."

Questioned on whether he had a time-frame when he would retire from FIFA, Warner said, "I know when I propose to leave FIFA I don't propose to leave on a walking stick and I don't propose unlike Mr Blatter, who at 75 is going back. I don't propose to be there at 75."

Questioned on his relationship with CONCACAF general secretary Chuck Blazer who has reported the allegations of bribery to the ethics committee, Warner explained that Blazer was still upset over the US loss of the World Cup bid and that Qatar won.

"...And there has been some resentment still and the feeling is that I should not be talking to him (Bin Hammam) or his friends. I voted for the US like Mr Blazer and I, like Mr Blazer, was devastated over the fact that the US lost. But I will not allow that to impugn Mr Bin Hammam's character or to destroy our friendship. I am not that kind of person and if Mr Blazer and they want to do that, let them go ahead," said Warner.

Warner said he has faced bigger issues in life and he is prepared for the consequences.

He returns home next Thursday after the FIFA presidential elections.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: davidephraim on May 28, 2011, 07:11:28 AM
Wow dis shit is big. Ah feel it have real underlying war going on and dis is not just a fake jihad to stimulate the masses. At any rate It look like de tng now start!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: rotatopoti3 on May 28, 2011, 07:36:24 AM
Come on Jack...time tuh dan it up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2Ly7hC9hps

Dem dem hull dey chugger munt....

Show dem ah form.... ;)

Now tuh be honest...Jack could be on d breadline and lose both wuk.......

But i sure TT could offer him ah wuk
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 28, 2011, 08:02:15 AM
Crack starting to appear in the armour.  Jack said it himself:  the U.S. is upset at losing out for the 2022 bid, and feels slighted by Jack. 
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: royal on May 28, 2011, 08:25:58 AM
well look ting dey turning against themselves.can't wait to hear de outcome tomorrow and de tsunami Monday.
Title: Re: They can't hang my Jack
Post by: tempo on May 28, 2011, 08:26:53 AM
They can't hang my Jack...Warner off to Zurich to answer bribery charges
By Anna Ramdass (T&T Express)



"I am in FIFA for 29 consecutive years, I was the first black man to have ever been in FIFA at this level. I have come from the smallest country ever to be on the FIFA executive committee. There is no country smaller than Trinidad and Tobago on FIFA's executive committee. I am wielding more power in FIFA now than sometimes even the president, I must be the envy of others.

"In terms of football history my country does not even have one and therefore there are people out there who would ask why should I be there and what is my role, so I become the butt of all kinds of attacks and I accept this without any kind of anger because I understand people, this is the nature of human beings," he said.

This is the reason why the page has to turn on JAW's influence on T&T football. The degree of arrogance at play in those statements is staggering. First of all, he rose through the collective power of the CFU not just T&T. Second, It was only a matter of time before the issue of race came to be an issue. But with his tremendous base and power, the man has done NOTHING to advance the specific cause of black coaches, players, or administrators.

But the statement of T&T having no football history is what should, quite frankly, piss off most people in the country. Yes, our football history is not as vaunted as Brazil, Spain, or England but we do have a history and a very proud and accomplished one for such a small country. That is the problem with too many of our leaders, they really feel they are doing the people they are supposed to serve a favor by "gracing" us with their presence and time.

Serve the people, serve the game. Make decisions that are in the best interests of both rather than what's in your best interests. It's not that difficult a rule to follow. So while yesterday is yesterday and today is today. I hope that tomorrow will see a country and quite frankly a game that is no longer being penetrated and contaminated by the probscis belonging to Jack Austin Warner and his minions.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: davyjenny1 on May 28, 2011, 10:01:35 AM
Jack:You must never get too attached to anything, it colours your judgement and therefore whatever happens, happens. Que sera, sera.

Jack: My jack won’t be hanged. I have lived three scores and my jack has not been hanged as yet. Why should it be hanged now and by whom? The American Chuck Blazer? His American lawyer John Collins? Give me a break guys,” he scoffed.

Well I'll be glued to the news over the next few days ahead.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on May 28, 2011, 10:44:15 AM
Jack is a master, oui. 

Referring specifically to the e-mail, he said: "What it (e-mail) says (is) to help Haiti get two big screens to see the World Cup for $1.6 million, that's the e-mail! ... did it say anything about Jack Warner? Jack Warner asked to help Haiti to see the World Cup by putting some big screens, what is wrong with that? I repeat, this is election time my friends."

Note he did not mention that he wrongly told the FA that someone had paid US$1.6 million for the rights but he could get them for the FA at the same price, when FIFA stated nobody owned the rights!

This is where the press let T&T down. Why did they not specifically ask Jack who were the alleged purchasers and why are FIFA saying the rights were never sold? Who would get the $1.6 million if FA had paid?

Also note that Jack won't be back until thursday, when on tuesday there is the small matter of TTFF having to produce complete and accurate accounts, including the accounts submitted by Jack as head of Germany2006 LOC.

As usual, Jack putting FIFA ahead of domestic matters. He has never really taken the players seriously. He was criticised for not giving evidence in London when the whole case at that time revolved around the players contract with Jack. If he had taken this seriously TTFF may have gotten off a lot lighter.

But to put this into perspective, apparently Jack pays the bills for TTFF, even Camps publicly stated they would need to ask Jack to pay the interim payment. So, if the judge gets vexed on tuesday coz the books don't make sense, he could order TTFF to pay 50% of the income......which, less govt funding, could be TT$50 million. Imagine Jack not being bothered about a case that could cost him nearly $60 million in total! Makes you wonder eh?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Coop's on May 28, 2011, 02:32:01 PM
The boss talks,alyu read the news?the man even reach so far as to say he will give up FIFA for T&T Government,the man ahead of everybody,alyu want to expose and bring down Jack,we will who coming down because he eh going down alone,he say is a Tsunami ah tell alyu leave the blackman alone,he alone corrupted and tied tongue,he can't talk,when he done with them he coming home we have him for life. :devil: :devil:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: dreamer on May 28, 2011, 04:17:37 PM
Genuflec' tuh yuh Daddy ...
Ah have a question? When Jackula tell yuh jump, how high yuh does aim ....
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Coop's on May 28, 2011, 05:35:59 PM
Genuflec' tuh yuh Daddy ...
Ah have a question? When Jackula tell yuh jump, how high yuh does aim ....
        You feel is a little boy you talking too,i and Jack about the same age,we does hangout and lime together,what jump you talking about,my days done doh worry about me,i'm retired just having fun,it hurting you they can't catch him?i'm sorry son. :devil: 
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: D.H.W on May 28, 2011, 06:43:03 PM
Breaking: Mohammed bin Hammam has withdrawn from the #Fifa presidential vote

Bin Hammam: Recent events have left me hurt and disappointed. I will not put my personal ambition ahead of Fifa’s dignity and integrity.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Coop's on May 28, 2011, 07:04:25 PM
Breaking: Mohammed bin Hammam has withdrawn from the #Fifa presidential vote

Bin Hammam: Recent events have left me hurt and disappointed. I will not put my personal ambition ahead of Fifa’s dignity and integrity.
         :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: The boss at work,they only hear Tsunami they start running for cover,who corupt tell me,the man have nothing to fear,accusation after accusation year after year,tell England and the US to come better than that,T&T may host a WC before they do.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: D.H.W on May 28, 2011, 07:08:19 PM
Qatar's Mohamed Bin Hammam pulls out of Fifa race

Mohamed Bin Hammam of Qatar says he has pulled out of the race to head football's world governing body, Fifa.

The move came a day before the 62-year-old Asian Football Confederation chief was due to face an ethics committee hearing into bribery claims.

He said he did not want to see Fifa's name "dragged more in the mud".

Mr Bin Hammam had been due to stand against incumbent Fifa chief Sepp Blatter, who is also facing the inquiry. Both deny corruption claims.

Mr Bin Hammam stressed his withdrawal must not "be tied to the investigation held by the Fifa ethics committee", pledging that he would appear before the panel to clear his name.

The election of the new Fifa president is scheduled for Wednesday.

'Great price'

In a statement, Mr Bin Hammam said he "was and remains committed to change within Fifa" in a order to "further the cause of democracy" within the organisation.

But he added that "recent events have left me hurt and disappointed - on a professional and personal level".

"It saddens me that standing up for the causes that I believed in has come at a great price - the degradation of Fifa's reputation. This is not what I had in mind for Fifa and this is unacceptable.

"I cannot allow the name that I loved to be dragged more and more in the mud because of competition between two individuals. The game itself and the people who love it around the world must come first."

The Fifa's ethics committee hearing is due to start in Zurich, Switzerland, later on Sunday.

Mr Bin Hammam and Fifa Vice President Jack Warner face allegations from executive committee member Chuck Blazer that they offered bribes at a meeting of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) on 10 and 11 May.

A file of evidence claims bundles of cash of up to $40,000 (£24,200) were handed over to members of the CFU at the meeting in Trinidad.

Both Mr Bin Hammam and Mr Warner deny the allegations.

In turn, Mr Bin Hammam has effectively claimed that Mr Blatter - who is bidding for a fourth term in office - failed to report the payment of alleged bribes, in itself a breach of Fifa's ethics code.

Mr Blatter, 75, denies any wrongdoing.

The latest twist in the bitter fight for Fifa presidency follows weeks of damaging headlines and allegations in the wake of the vote for the 2018 and 2022 World Cups.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-13587449
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on May 28, 2011, 07:32:06 PM
         :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: The boss at work,they only hear Tsunami they start running for cover,who corupt tell me,the man have nothing to fear,accusation after accusation year after year,tell England and the US to come better than that,T&T may host a WC before they do.

How in Bin Hammam "running for cover"?  He was accused alongside Jack, he wasn't the one accusing Jack.  If he running for cover then it's from Blatter.  Come Coop's, ah expect better than that.


As for Bin Hammam himself... dem really feel people dotish or what?  How is him pulling out going to prevent the "dragging of FIFA's name thru the mud"??  This doesn't end the corruption inquiry... that (among many other things) is what's undermining FIFA and dragging its name down.  More likely is he decide to pull out in order to prevent the Qatar award for 2022 from being rescinded.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Coop's on May 28, 2011, 07:37:23 PM
         :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: The boss at work,they only hear Tsunami they start running for cover,who corupt tell me,the man have nothing to fear,accusation after accusation year after year,tell England and the US to come better than that,T&T may host a WC before they do.

How in Bin Hammam "running for cover"?  He was accused alongside Jack, he wasn't the one accusing Jack.  If he running for cover then it's from Blatter.  Come Coop's, ah expect better than that.


As for Bin Hammam himself... dem really feel people dotish or what?  How is him pulling out going to prevent the "dragging of FIFA's name thru the mud"??  This doesn't end the corruption inquiry... that (among many other things) is what's undermining FIFA and dragging its name down.  More likely is he decide to pull out in order to prevent the Qatar award for 2022 from being rescinded.
       But didn't he accuse Blatter?why doesn't he continue to run for president?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: elan on May 28, 2011, 07:55:34 PM
Yuh does wonder how JW and dem does get "men" to do what they want, but yuh seeing it play out right here. SMH
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on May 28, 2011, 08:11:30 PM
       But didn't he accuse Blatter?why doesn't he continue to run for president?

So Blatter is the "boss at work" yuh was talking about?  Is Blatter who they hear say Tsunami and start running for cover?

Yuh logic kinda hard to follow.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on May 28, 2011, 08:54:07 PM
Breaking: Mohammed bin Hammam has withdrawn from the #Fifa presidential vote

Bin Hammam: Recent events have left me hurt and disappointed. I will not put my personal ambition ahead of Fifa’s dignity and integrity.
         :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: The boss at work,they only hear Tsunami they start running for cover,who corupt tell me,the man have nothing to fear,accusation after accusation year after year,tell England and the US to come better than that,T&T may host a WC before they do.

Just interested on your view about Warners alleged email asking for US$1.6 million to buy the Haitian TV rights that FIFA have said did not exist? Instead of backing Jack, give us your opinion. Its Jacks actual email we're talking about here. How do you explain that?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Coop's on May 29, 2011, 04:38:14 AM
Breaking: Mohammed bin Hammam has withdrawn from the #Fifa presidential vote

Bin Hammam: Recent events have left me hurt and disappointed. I will not put my personal ambition ahead of Fifa’s dignity and integrity.
         :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: The boss at work,they only hear Tsunami they start running for cover,who corupt tell me,the man have nothing to fear,accusation after accusation year after year,tell England and the US to come better than that,T&T may host a WC before they do.

Just interested on your view about Warners alleged email asking for US$1.6 million to buy the Haitian TV rights that FIFA have said did not exist? Instead of backing Jack, give us your opinion. Its Jacks actual email we're talking about here. How do you explain that?
        If something is alledged what is there to explain,if you all want to take everything and run with it fine,that's not me,i don't get into anything i know nothing about,any how i'll talk to Jack when he gets back and get mih facts.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: boss on May 29, 2011, 04:58:43 AM
I suspect the hearings will happen today without incident, then the election will go on and Blatter will win by default, then SB, MBH, JW and the two CFU folks will all get slaps on the wrists, Blazer will stay quiet, and life will go on.  :beermug:

The fact that MBH stepped aside just shows to me that a deal has already been done behind the scenes and everything is on the way to being resolved behind closed doors. I could be wrong of course.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: rotatopoti3 on May 29, 2011, 06:10:30 AM
The Godfather will win again...

Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: JDB on May 29, 2011, 07:35:35 AM
        If something is alledged what is there to explain,if you all want to take everything and run with it fine,that's not me,i don't get into anything i know nothing about,any how i'll talk to Jack when he gets back and get mih facts.

Coop's

The email was alleged until Warner confirmed that it is his email. Now read the contents, it reading like a Nigerian scam email.

"The rights owned by an un-named third party"
"Warner can negotiate for half the price" (yippeee) these rights that England have no interest in

Never mind the fact that FIFA says that no such rights package exist.

More importantly Warner acknowledging the email is evidence that Triesman is not exactly talking out his ass. Tries man and them lapse they shoulda play through with the ruse and get to the point where Warner actually make arrangements to receive the money. They woulda have him dead to rights but obviously that is not their remit when they trying to win a WC bid.

Warner moving real bold right now, I sure the NoTW plotting a scam to catch him
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: mukumsplau on May 29, 2011, 10:33:35 AM
bin hammam n warner suspended pending full blown investigations...sepp get off..
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Feliziano on May 29, 2011, 11:53:28 AM
here's some music to pump you guys up more  ;D

http://www.youtube.com/v/q5N80tNDCGg&feature=fvwrel

Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: soccerrama on May 29, 2011, 12:03:28 PM
FiFA Press Conference ref allegations against Jack Warner & Bin Hammam


 http://streamstudio.world-television.com/CCUIv3/frameset.aspx?ticket=645-676-9890&browser=ie-11-0-0-10-0&target=en-default-&status=ondemand&stream=flash-video-300
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Savannah boy on May 29, 2011, 12:21:07 PM
Ok Jackula, wha wha what now? Idi Amin say in politics one has no permanent enemies or friends.  De knives pointing yuh way now.  ;D
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on May 29, 2011, 12:26:09 PM
...all sound and fury signifying nothing.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: truetrini on May 29, 2011, 01:16:04 PM
...all sound and fury signifying nothing.

I beg to differ..this is big.  Jack overplayed his hand....he promised England, went against England, promised the US did not do his part as promised, he promised Blatter went for a bigger pay day and was supporting Hammam..now he is up the proverbial creek without the paddle, beginning of the end, and he knows it too.

Word is he was talking to CFU officials but Blazer ahd already made contact and made certain assurances.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Blue on May 29, 2011, 01:26:10 PM
...all sound and fury signifying nothing.

I beg to differ..this is big.  Jack overplayed his hand....he promised England, went against England, promised the US did not do his part as promised, he promised Blatter went for a bigger pay day and was supporting Hammam..now he is up the proverbial creek without the paddle, beginning of the end, and he knows it too.

Word is he was talking to CFU officials but Blazer ahd already made contact and made certain assurances.

I agree...looks like Jack has noone to turn to now. All he could really do is take others down with him.

Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: dreamer on May 29, 2011, 01:27:47 PM
Also agreed. It's ovah. The files and tapings they have on this likkle Jackulito is frightening.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on May 29, 2011, 02:04:21 PM
...all sound and fury signifying nothing.

I beg to differ..this is big.  Jack overplayed his hand....he promised England, went against England, promised the US did not do his part as promised, he promised Blatter went for a bigger pay day and was supporting Hammam..now he is up the proverbial creek without the paddle, beginning of the end, and he knows it too.

Word is he was talking to CFU officials but Blazer ahd already made contact and made certain assurances.

The allegations might be big but the suspension is not.  FACT is that this is a "provisional" suspension... as it stands the Ethics committee has yet to even investigate the charges.  They have been suspended pending that investigation.  Whatever fantasies folks want to indulge in at this point they are free to do, but all of this celebrating that taking place in folks minds is premature.  Until these charges stick I will maintain that all of this doesn't amount to a hill of beans.  If you want to start hailing this as the beginning of the end then that is your choice... call me a pessimist.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on May 29, 2011, 02:26:59 PM
...all sound and fury signifying nothing.

I beg to differ..this is big.  Jack overplayed his hand....he promised England, went against England, promised the US did not do his part as promised, he promised Blatter went for a bigger pay day and was supporting Hammam..now he is up the proverbial creek without the paddle, beginning of the end, and he knows it too.

Word is he was talking to CFU officials but Blazer ahd already made contact and made certain assurances.

The allegations might be big but the suspension is not.  FACT is that this is a "provisional" suspension... as it stands the Ethics committee has yet to even investigate the charges.  They have been suspended pending that investigation.  Whatever fantasies folks want to indulge in at this point they are free to do, but all of this celebrating that taking place in folks minds is premature.  Until these charges stick I will maintain that all of this doesn't amount to a hill of beans.  If you want to start hailing this as the beginning of the end then that is your choice... call me a pessimist.

Nice balanced logic Bakes!!

Makes perfect sense!

Jack just launched his first big tsunami wave via an email to the world news media!

Just heard on the news that he has accused Blatter of providing similar gifts to CONCACAF in the past as Bin Hammam offered the CFU delegates!  One million plus gifts of computers etc!!

The English media will grab this and run hard with it in order to demand that FIFA presidential elections planned for 1st June are postponed for the short term so that Blatter is not re-elected unopposed.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: biga84 on May 29, 2011, 02:33:32 PM
This is what was posted on the T&T soca warriors page on Facebook:

The following is a statement made today by Jack Warner to the media following the news of his suspension by FIFA from all international and national football-related activities.
Re: Today's FIFA decision
 
I attended the FIFA enquiry today at 12 noon pursuant to a request made of me by FIFA to answer allegation made by Chuck Blazer, General Secretary of CONCACAF.
 
I have learned this evening via the media that I have been provisionally suspended by the FIFA Ethics Committee.  This has come both as a shock and surprise to me.  At the conclusion of the enquiry I specifically requested that I be notified of any decision as I had learned via the media before attending the hearing that a decision would be handed down at 5:00PM.  Despite leaving my contact details, up to this point, I still have not received any notification from the FIFA.
 
At the hearing I indicated that I submitted two written statements outlining my position.  I expressed my disappointment with the way in which the enquiry was conducted as I was given less than twenty four hours to submit a statement for consideration by the committee and, moreover, one of the five members of the Committee is from Uruguay and did not have the value of a translated version of my or Mr bin Hammam's submission.  This lack of translation services brings into question the issue of due process.
 
In addition, FIFA did not have the courtesy to provide me with copies of the allegations before the hearing and it was only during the hearing were the allegations read to me.
 
At the hearing, among other things, I was asked about the special meeting with the CFU to hear Mr Bin Hammam and whether such a meeting was normal I indicated that President Blatter earlier this year had held a similar meeting in South Africa with thirty seven countries and no objections had been made of that to date.  In fact this has been the practice of FIFA in holding meetings with member countries before elections.
 
I denied the allegations that I made statements at the CFU meeting about gifts being given by Mr Bin Hammam.  I also indicated that at the Miami CONCACAF Congress on May 3rd Mr. Blatter made a gift of one million USD to CONCACAF to spend as it deems fit. This annoyed President Michel Platini who was present and he approached Secretary General Jerome Valcke complaining that Mr Blatter had no permission from the Finance Committee to make this gift to which Jerome replied that he will find the money for Mr Blatter.
 
I also indicated at the CFU meeting held in Trinidad on May 10 which was requested by Mr. Bin Hammam, FIFA through Mr. Blatter organised gifts of laptops and projectors to all members of the Caribbean and no objections have been made today of this to date.
 
In my statement I attached letters from thirteen Federations whose members attended the CFU Meeting where the allegations of gifts were made.
 
These statements from the 13 members denied the allegations that have been made against me and any participation of these individuals in the act complained of. While with regard to the allegation of payment only one statement was submitted by Collins & Collins.
 
On May 18 when I realised that the political battle between Blatter and Bin Hammam was getting out of hand I wrote Secretary General Valcke telling him, among other things, that the outcome of the elections may cause some fracture in the Arab world  which we can ill afford now and that I will like to ask Bin Hammam to withdraw from the race. To which Jerome replied to me and I quote :
 
"For MBH, I never understood why he was running. If really he thought he had a chance or just being an extreme way to express how much he does not like anymore JSB. Or he thought you can buy FIFA as they bought the WC. I have a bet since day one, he will withdraw but on June 1st after his 10 min speech. By doing so he can say he push Blatter to make new commitments bla bla bla and get out under applause. Before means he is a looser. So...He will get some votes. Less than 60 today after CAF support. It will be the "coup de grace" if you would officially send a message as the CONCACAF President by saying CONCACAF supports unanimously. So I am not giving you an advice but just my feeling about what I think is the situation."
 
 
Despite the plea from SG Valcke, I refused to give any advice about how CONCACAF will be voting.
 
At no time during this matter was I ever contacted by Mr. Blazer nor did he contact the Executive or the Emergency Committee of the CONCACAF and it is informative for one to look at Mr Blazer's credibility by referring to the report of the NY District Court Judge in the matter between Master Card and Visa in the FIFA matter of 7th December 2006 .
 
(para 213) Mr. Blazer's testimony was generally without credibility based on his attitude and demeanor on his evasive answers on cross-examination.
 
(para 214) Thus, for that reason and based on his evasive answers and his attitude and demeanor, Mr. Blazer's testimony as the March 14, 2006 Marketing & TV AG Board meeting is rejected as fabricated.
 
 
The complaints  made in this matter are politically motivated against Mr Bin Hammam and me and are designed, among other things, to cause serious prejudice and damage to both Mr Bin Hammam and myself at one of the most critical times for the FIFA.
 
It is also shocking that at the close of an inquiry at around 5:47pm when the decision was already delivered new evidence in the form of a fax from the Puerto Rico FF appears making allegations which were treated as part of the evidence in this matter. This further demonstrates in the way the enquiry was conducted and the prejudice against me.
 
The decision to suspend me is an abuse of the process and achieves no real purpose as stated in the decision and again demonstrates the bias of this enquiry.
 
I intend to say a lot more on this matter shortly.
 
In the meantime, I will vigorously defend my reputation as well as the reputation of the rest of the Caribbean members.
 
Respectfully submitted
 
Sgd Jack Warner
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: vb on May 29, 2011, 02:48:46 PM
All o' dem is crook.

If Jack going down. BRING THEM ALL DOWN!!!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: truetrini on May 29, 2011, 02:51:37 PM
hhaah must say that i a decent come back by Jacula dey
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Brownsugar on May 29, 2011, 03:05:59 PM
...all sound and fury signifying nothing.

I beg to differ..this is big.  Jack overplayed his hand....he promised England, went against England, promised the US did not do his part as promised, he promised Blatter went for a bigger pay day and was supporting Hammam..now he is up the proverbial creek without the paddle, beginning of the end, and he knows it too.

Word is he was talking to CFU officials but Blazer ahd already made contact and made certain assurances.

The allegations might be big but the suspension is not.  FACT is that this is a "provisional" suspension... as it stands the Ethics committee has yet to even investigate the charges.  They have been suspended pending that investigation.  Whatever fantasies folks want to indulge in at this point they are free to do, but all of this celebrating that taking place in folks minds is premature.  Until these charges stick I will maintain that all of this doesn't amount to a hill of beans.  If you want to start hailing this as the beginning of the end then that is your choice... call me a pessimist.

Agreed Bakes.

I see people posting on facebook how Jack gone down and now he goh bring down the government too (now granted that was a primarily PNM group of supporters declaring his demise so I eh expect any kinda objectivity there) but I too agree that this eh mean nutten until the investigations are over.....it goh be a long hot summer.....hhhhhmmmm now where have I heard that before??  Oh yeah Jackie boy he self from 2 years or so ago.....my what a difference 2 years makes.... :devil:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Babalawo on May 29, 2011, 03:07:37 PM
quote of the day from someone. as i believe also jack aint going any where

"The Presidential Election will go ahead as planned....Sepp Blatter will get another term and his (concubines) with be cleared later. Just another attempt by FIFA to cover up corruption."
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Blue on May 29, 2011, 03:26:33 PM
To which Jerome replied to me and I quote :
 
"For MBH, I never understood why he was running. If really he thought he had a chance or just being an extreme way to express how much he does not like anymore JSB. Or he thought you can buy FIFA as they bought the WC.

Boom Bang. Jack is gonna f**k everybody up  :challenge:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: 1-868 on May 29, 2011, 03:50:25 PM
To which Jerome replied to me and I quote :
 
"For MBH, I never understood why he was running. If really he thought he had a chance or just being an extreme way to express how much he does not like anymore JSB. Or he thought you can buy FIFA as they bought the WC.

Boom Bang. Jack is gonna f**k everybody up  :challenge:

Some ah allyuh here believe Jack is some kinda superhero.. Dis time dey go make ah example of somebody, and ah bet Jack go be de fall guy
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Blue on May 29, 2011, 04:03:57 PM
To which Jerome replied to me and I quote :
 
"For MBH, I never understood why he was running. If really he thought he had a chance or just being an extreme way to express how much he does not like anymore JSB. Or he thought you can buy FIFA as they bought the WC.

Boom Bang. Jack is gonna f**k everybody up  :challenge:

Some ah allyuh here believe Jack is some kinda superhero.. Dis time dey go make ah example of somebody, and ah bet Jack go be de fall guy

lol, I agree. But I find it very interesting that he 'quoted' that Qatar bought the WC. Would Jack dare to even imply this without knowing something? And his votes were already going to the US, so it is fair to say he was probably not involved in any Qatar bobol...but looks like he may name a few others who were...

Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: D.H.W on May 29, 2011, 04:09:59 PM
Jack going down and he taking everybody with him lol
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: TriniCana on May 29, 2011, 04:37:36 PM
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12010_6959019,00.html

Warner hits back at Fifa
Suspended Fifa chief unleashes allegations concerning Blatter


Jack Warner has responded to his Fifa suspension with allegations about the organisation's president Sepp Blatter - and that Fifa secretary general Jerome Valcke suggested the 2022 World Cup was 'bought'.

Warner claimed Blatter made gifts of computers to officials plus an unauthorised 1million US dollar gift to his confederation CONCACAF.

Caribbean football chief Warner, banned by Fifa's ethics committee on Sunday along with Asian confederation president Mohamed Bin Hammam pending the outcome of a full inquiry into allegations they paid officials 40,000 dollars each in bribes, denied making any payments.

Allegations

Warner said in a statement: "I denied the allegations that I made statements at the CFU [Caribbean Football Union] meeting about gifts being given by Mr Bin Hammam.
"I also indicated that at the Miami CONCACAF Congress on May 3 Mr Blatter made a gift of one million USD to CONCACAF to spend as it deems fit.

"This annoyed [UEFA] President Michel Platini who was present and he approached Secretary General Jerome Valcke complaining that Mr Blatter had no permission from the Finance Committee to make this gift to which Jerome replied that he will find the money for Mr Blatter.

"I also indicated at the CFU meeting held in Trinidad on May 10 which was requested by Mr Bin Hammam, FIFA through Mr Blatter organised gifts of laptops and projectors to all members of the Caribbean and no objections have been made today of this to date."

Warner said 13 federations had written to the ethics committee backing him up.

Warner's apparent revelation of an email from Valcke about Bin Hammam running against Blatter for Fifa president is potentially even more explosive.

Valcke, according to Warner's statement, wrote to him suggesting that Qatari Bin Hammam had "bought" the 2022 World Cup for his country.

Elections

Warner added: "I wrote to Valcke telling him, among other things, that the outcome of the elections may cause some fracture in the Arab world which we can ill-afford now and that I will like to ask Bin Hammam to withdraw from the race.

"To which Jerome replied to me and I quote: 'For MBH, I never understood why he was running. If really he thought he had a chance or just being an extreme way to express how much he does not like anymore JSB [Blatter]. Or he thought you can buy FIFA as they bought the WC'."

Warner reiterated his claim that the complaints against him were part of a conspiracy.

He added: "The complaints made in this matter are politically motivated against Mr Bin Hammam and me and are designed, among other things, to cause serious prejudice and damage to both Mr Bin Hammam and myself at one of the most critical times for the FIFA."
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: davyjenny1 on May 29, 2011, 05:25:08 PM
Chuck blazer taking all the credit for everything that took place but for those who don't know it seem to me that one of our own was behind all of this as well ...

TTFF never made it to the top but they surely made it to the top in corruption. What a shame.

I want $15,0000,000 (USD) too. what about the rest on here?

As Tallman would say " Trinis in action"
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: D.H.W on May 29, 2011, 05:26:24 PM
(http://img.skysports.com/11/05/660x350/warner_2595498.jpg)
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: royal on May 29, 2011, 05:30:56 PM
Chuck blazer taking all the credit for everything that took place but for those who don't know it seem to me that one of our own was behind all of this as well ...

TTFF never made it to the top but they surely made it to the top corruption. What a shame.

I want $15,0000,000 (USD) too. what about the rest on here?

As Tallman would say " Trinis in action"


yea one of dem islands sold Jack out !!!!!!!!! bcuz Blazer wasn't at the meetng.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on May 29, 2011, 05:34:18 PM
Chuck blazer taking all the credit for everything that took place but for those who don't know it seem to me that one of our own was behind all of this as well ...

TTFF never made it to the top but they surely made it to the top corruption. What a shame.

I want $15,0000,000 (USD) too. what about the rest on here?

As Tallman would say " Trinis in action"


yea one of dem islands sold Jack out !!!!!!!!! bcuz Blazer wasn't at the meetng.

Puerto Rico, the island which is controlled by the USA, yuh aware that they are an American colony right!   ;)
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: davyjenny1 on May 29, 2011, 05:40:01 PM
Chuck blazer taking all the credit for everything that took place but for those who don't know it seem to me that one of our own was behind all of this as well ...

TTFF never made it to the top but they surely made it to the top corruption. What a shame.

I want $15,0000,000 (USD) too. what about the rest on here?

As Tallman would say " Trinis in action"


yea one of dem islands sold Jack out !!!!!!!!! bcuz Blazer wasn't at the meetng.


Jack should of known that was long coming for him.  Like I said one of our own
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: rotatopoti3 on May 29, 2011, 05:49:12 PM
Ah cat may have 9 lives...Jack have 15

As far as i see..the monies dem talkin about was used for each CFU (13) federations to purchase labtops and projectors....

so Jack still very innocent
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: davyjenny1 on May 29, 2011, 05:49:33 PM
Chuck blazer taking all the credit for everything that took place but for those who don't know it seem to me that one of our own was behind all of this as well ...

TTFF never made it to the top but they surely made it to the top corruption. What a shame.

I want $15,0000,000 (USD) too. what about the rest on here?

As Tallman would say " Trinis in action"


yea one of dem islands sold Jack out !!!!!!!!! bcuz Blazer wasn't at the meetng.

Puerto Rico, the island which is controlled by the USA, yuh aware that they are an American colony right!   ;)
Forget Puerto Rico it's much deeper than that
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on May 29, 2011, 06:19:10 PM
Chuck blazer taking all the credit for everything that took place but for those who don't know it seem to me that one of our own was behind all of this as well ...

TTFF never made it to the top but they surely made it to the top corruption. What a shame.

I want $15,0000,000 (USD) too. what about the rest on here?

As Tallman would say " Trinis in action"


yea one of dem islands sold Jack out !!!!!!!!! bcuz Blazer wasn't at the meetng.

Puerto Rico, the island which is controlled by the USA, yuh aware that they are an American colony right!   ;)
Forget Puerto Rico it's much deeper than that

I was not speculating there!! That was part of the info I heard on the news tonight!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: rotatopoti3 on May 29, 2011, 06:23:33 PM
Ah find tis in ah blog....

A BREACH OF TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO LAWS?

Did the CONCACAF officials who gathered here for that meeting with Messrs Warner and Bin Hammam break our currency laws and customs laws?

When I fill out the cutoms declaration form it demands that I declare any sum of money above $10,000 tt,(or some figure near to that, subject to correction) in whatever instruments (cash, check, draft, money order etc) .

If people are travelling in and out of Trinidad and Tobago with the quantum of money mentioned in the article (40k USD) without making a declaration or even making a false declaration, then they would have broken the law.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on May 29, 2011, 06:26:54 PM
Ah find tis in ah blog....

A BREACH OF TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO LAWS?

Did the CONCACAF officials who gathered here for that meeting with Messrs Warner and Bin Hammam break our currency laws and customs laws?

When I fill out the cutoms declaration form it demands that I declare any sum of money above $10,000 tt,(or some figure near to that, subject to correction) in whatever instruments (cash, check, draft, money order etc) .

If people are travelling in and out of Trinidad and Tobago with the quantum of money mentioned in the article (40k USD) without making a declaration or even making a false declaration, then they would have broken the law.

And who going to arrest them?!! Laws only matter if they are enforced!  8)
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: royal on May 29, 2011, 06:41:20 PM
ah was wondering de same thing. How dis man come to Trinidad with so much cash and get away with it.   
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Midknight on May 29, 2011, 07:23:40 PM
But the statement of T&T having no football history is what should, quite frankly, piss off most people in the country.

Talk about majoring in minors...
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: tempo on May 29, 2011, 09:48:32 PM
But the statement of T&T having no football history is what should, quite frankly, piss off most people in the country.

Talk about majoring in minors...

It is minor only if you look at the statement rather than mentality that enables such a statement from being made. What I see behind the statement is a level of arrogance that says "without me T&T football would be nothing therefore I should be allowed to do anything I please". It is what would cause the man to request after the '06, with a straight face, a "blank cheque" from the government while not having any intention of paying the players their money. So no, it is not minor at all.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Zeppo on May 30, 2011, 04:46:17 AM
Qatar's Bin Hammam accused of buying 2022 World Cup

Suspended Fifa vice-president Jack Warner has made public an e-mail that claims Mohamed Bin Hammam "bought" the 2022 World Cup finals for Qatar. The e-mail, seemingly from Fifa general secretary Jerome Valcke, also questions why Asian confederation chief Bin Hammam was running for Fifa president.

Valcke wrote: "[Hammam] thought you can buy Fifa as they bought the World Cup". Fifa suspended Warner and Bin Hammam over separate allegations of bribery, pending further investigation.

(continue) (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/13592684.stm)
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: royal on May 30, 2011, 05:34:30 AM
so who is going to take charge of Concacaf? The Asians already appoint ah Chinese.Gold Cup coming up.Will the Caribbean islands allow a North American to run things?   
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Brownsugar on May 30, 2011, 06:30:18 AM
Well yes, look thing!!!   :o :o   According to Lasana, knives in Switzerland selling for top dollars right now!!!....

Here what does kill me bout Jack, he crying that he was treated unfairly by FIFA's ethics committee but he tried every dirty trick in the book to deny the players they money he promised them......steups!!

If is one thing Jack, this new round of bacchanal providing good entertainment.....

Ah love it!!  (C) Andre Samuel
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: royal on May 30, 2011, 07:10:49 AM
Jack does have a problem in defending himself? Remember the Lasana rantings, well he ranting again,where's de tsunami? the international media laughing at him and calling it a thunderstorm.Now he even incriminating the man who was charged with him saying they bought the world cup.Jack does look like a mad man when he trying to defend himself,puling at anything he could get his hands on.No plan,no strategy, no thinking !!!!!!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: royal on May 30, 2011, 07:25:08 AM
yea Puerto Rico take de cash and hand it over to FIFA (bbc)...... yea Jack bow out.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: tempo on May 30, 2011, 07:26:19 AM
Jack does have a problem in defending himself? Remember the Lasana rantings, well he ranting again,where's de tsunami? the international media laughing at him and calling it a thunderstorm.Now he even incriminating the man who was charged with him saying they bought the world cup.Jack does look like a mad man when he trying to defend himself,puling at anything he could get his hands on.No plan,no strategy, no thinking !!!!!!

Here is the beginning of the first wave:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/may/30/fifa-in-crisis-live-blog

I'm just going to grab my popcorn and enjoy the show. This is going to better than 4th of July and Chinese New Year combined.

With Valcke admitting the authenticity of the email Jack released, a few of things emerge. First, if Valcke knew of improprieties surrounding the Qatar bid, he had a duty to report it to the Ethics Committee. Since he didn't, he could be suspended and charged. Second, this creates the very real possibility that Qatar will lose the 2022 World Cup. My prediction is that Australia will get it instead of the US. Third and most important, Blatter is done. Once more allegations come forward, adidas and other major FIFA sponsors won't be able to take the heat and risk worldwide boycotts of their products. They will ask that he step down and Platini will be the interim president. The question will be; how will T&T, specifically its football, come out of this whole affair?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: royalian on May 30, 2011, 07:28:47 AM
(guardian.co.uk)

Here is Jerome Valcke's email to Jack Warner in full:

Dear Jack, lots of questions ;)

Firstly I got also a very, very good feedback about the draw, its organization and the media coverage. It is great the FWC Final Draw is not the only one getting such attention but now all including the U-17. Football is really big.

For FICO, I perfectly understand your position about England. There is not a major point it is true to be discussed. I think MBH will try to attack us on various points but am prepared to answer. Nothing very new since Robben Island 2009 Exco!

For MBH, I never understood why he was running. If really he thought he had a chance or just being an extreme way to express much he does not like anymore JSB. Or he thought you can buy FIFA as they bought the WC.

I have a bet since day one, he will withdraw but on June 1st after his 10 min speech. By doing so he can say he push Blatter to make new commitments bla bla bla and get out under applause. Before means he is a loser. So … He will get some votes. Less than 60 today after CAF support. It will be the "coup de grace" if you would officially send a message as the CONCACAF President by saying CONCACAF supports unanimously.

So am not giving you advice but just feeing about what I think is the situation.

Finally just coming back to wives. You know Jack ruled are for the majority. Why? Because without a minority will always abuse! Some and a few members are given a special authorization to bring their partner at their coast and it is fine but we have a number of issues and that is why this regulation was decided a very long time ago before I was appointed for sure.

Talking about the before I was told and it is confirmed, Linsi went with MBH to visit a few MA's. Was maybe the ex-future SG. Also one agency, Sportfive, has being very supportive and organized for MBH meeting with MA's they have under contract.

Wow, just wake up, being in San Francisco for a few hours before flying at 1pm to Sao Paulo for the day. And am writing so much ;)).

Enjoy your day
Jerome.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: D.H.W on May 30, 2011, 07:37:51 AM
 :heehee:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Dutty on May 30, 2011, 08:39:52 AM
Jack does have a problem in defending himself? Remember the Lasana rantings, well he ranting again,where's de tsunami? the international media laughing at him and calling it a thunderstorm.Now he even incriminating the man who was charged with him saying they bought the world cup.Jack does look like a mad man when he trying to defend himself,puling at anything he could get his hands on.No plan,no strategy, no thinking !!!!!!

ah vex,I always thought the man was ah evil genius ...playing chess while everybody else playin checkers
but it really lookin like all this time is pure flailing, seat of the pants decisions, and pure luck that kept him aloft

I kinda disappointed jack is not really "ah borse" as diamondtrim does say

he only true bredrin in FIFA was Havelange oui
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: rotatopoti3 on May 30, 2011, 08:51:24 AM
for real dutty..he aint calculated at all...why is he bringing out more dirty laundry like this now..he implicating heself more ....from my understanding dem fellas yesterday in d FIFA press conference was defending him...now he really looking like ah desperate man...
He try tuh goe behind d godfather and now he get ban....no more free ride...
he didnt realize that he was a small man from a 3rd world nation being used to get votes....in exchange for being able to hang with d big boys...
now it look like he goe be on d breadline....losing both positions.....
well he make nuff bread already
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: pecan on May 30, 2011, 09:07:11 AM
   From the blog link that Flex post

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/may/30/fifa-in-crisis-live-blog


Fifa in crisis live blog - Blatter to face media amid Warner allegations

3.56pm: PA's Martyn Ziegler reports:

    The money, as the picture clearly shows, was delivered in a brown envelope with the name of the Bahamas FA on it.
    Inside the envelope was 40,000 US dollars in crisp, new 100-dollar bills - four packs each of 10,000 dollars.
    For many officials from the Caribbean's smaller islands this would be the equivalent of several years' salary.
    The date was May 10, the place the Hyatt Regency hotel in Trinidad where the members of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) had been invited to a special meeting to listen to FIFA presidential candidate Mohamed Bin Hammam present his manifesto.
    Afterwards, the 25 associations - whose flights and hotel costs for two officials each were being covered by Bin Hammam - were asked to attend a conference room to pick up "a gift", according to an affidavit sent to FIFA's ethics committee.
    Fred Lunn, the vice-president of the Bahamas FA, was one of the first to go up to the room where he was handed a large brown envelope. When he opened it "stacks of US 100 fell out and on to the table. I was stunned to see this cash," he said in an affidavit which was presented to FIFA's ethics committee yesterday.
    Lunn said he was not authorised to accept such a gift but was urged to do so by a CFU official. He decided to hold on to the money and contact his association's president Anton Sealey, which he did by text message.
    Copies of these text messages were also sent to the ethics committee which yesterday suspended Bin Hammam and FIFA vice-president Jack Warner pending a full inquiry. CFU officials Debbie Minguell and Jason Sylvester have also been suspended.
    Sealey then called Lunn and told him "under no circumstances would the Bahamas FA accept such a cash gift" and that he should return the 40,000 dollars.

    He texted Sealey saying "a lot of the boys taking the cash, this is sad given the breaking news on the TV CNN... I'm truly surprise its happening at this conference" [sic].

3.49pm:Here is a pic of the $40,000 cash that sparked the #FIFA bribery claims.

(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2011/5/30/1306767045400/Undated-handout-photo-sho-004.jpg)

Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: D.H.W on May 30, 2011, 09:36:31 AM
for real dutty..he aint calculated at all...why is he bringing out more dirty laundry like this now..he implicating heself more ....from my understanding dem fellas yesterday in d FIFA press conference was defending him...now he really looking like ah desperate man...
He try tuh goe behind d godfather and now he get ban....no more free ride...
he didnt realize that he was a small man from a 3rd world nation being used to get votes....in exchange for being able to hang with d big boys...
now it look like he goe be on d breadline....losing both positions.....
well he make nuff bread already


:beermug:

    He texted Sealey saying "a lot of the boys taking the cash, this is sad given the breaking news on the TV CNN... I'm truly surprise its happening at this conference" [sic].

3.49pm:Here is a pic of the $40,000 cash that sparked the #FIFA bribery claims.

(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2011/5/30/1306767045400/Undated-handout-photo-sho-004.jpg)

Oh god !!  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bitter on May 30, 2011, 10:18:42 AM
Live press conference by Blatter coming up.

Is Funny to see Jack insisting that "Blatter must be stopped!"

Also interesting that that all this might be sour grapes from the 2022 world cup decision.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: elan on May 30, 2011, 10:32:18 AM
If this eh convince yuh that JW corrupted then you just bad mind. Maybe is not enough to convict, but anyone with an iota of moral fibre in their being must see that they are corrupted. Look at how the Bahamas come out and out them. Is JW who organize that orgy at the Hyatt you telling me he eh know what going down? He must ask what gifts being handed out, you forgetting how he get on for the necklace from the Aussie and how he say the Hooligans and them eh know how to give gifts.

The USA will take over CONCACAF and T&T will struggle from now on. Them players better had and start signing up with FPATT.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: truetrini on May 30, 2011, 10:38:51 AM
It was the Bahamas FA first then came PR
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bitter on May 30, 2011, 10:42:42 AM
Blatter:

Lord Triesman allegations - Nothing worth investigating
World Cup 2018 & 2022 - No changes


Jack shoulda just keep he mouth shut...
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: dreamer on May 30, 2011, 10:46:26 AM
Notice not a pipsqueak from RF and de jamdown posse as Uncle horrible Horatio (once Jackula's right hand man) eh account for de brown envelope whether accepted directly or by courier. Lovely. Tsunami in de carribean sea. Watch and see.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: pecan on May 30, 2011, 11:06:13 AM
lol

5.54pm: The Guardian's Matt Scott just been disallowed from asking a question to Blatter by Blatter

too much pressha
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bitter on May 30, 2011, 11:15:36 AM
lol

5.54pm: The Guardian's Matt Scott just been disallowed from asking a question to Blatter by Blatter

too much pressha

Nah, they had a rule 1 question when you get call up to the mic. Matt Scott jump up and ask a question and they tell him to follow procedure.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Trini _2026 on May 30, 2011, 11:22:01 AM
If this eh convince yuh that JW corrupted then you just bad mind. Maybe is not enough to convict, but anyone with an iota of moral fibre in their being must see that they are corrupted. Look at how the Bahamas come out and out them. Is JW who organize that orgy at the Hyatt you telling me he eh know what going down? He must ask what gifts being handed out, you forgetting how he get on for the necklace from the Aussie and how he say the Hooligans and them eh know how to give gifts.

The USA will take over CONCACAF and T&T will struggle from now on. Them players better had and start signing up with FPATT.

could never the CFU have to much votes .....
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: dreamer on May 30, 2011, 11:41:11 AM
Warner loses grip on CONCACAF but future uncertain

Published May 30, 2011
Reuters
By Simon Evans

MIAMI (Reuters) - FIFA vice-president Jack Warner finds himself suspended from office, his supporters turning against him and his confederation dragged into a corruption row that has set world soccer's leaders against each other -- all less than a month after being re-elected president of CONCACAF.

For once, a region which has not produced a World Cup semi-finalist in the past 80 years, now finds itself at the heart of the game's affairs -- but for all the wrong reasons.

The Gold Cup, the continental championship for CONCACAF's North and Central America and Caribbean, begins on Sunday in Dallas with Trinidadian Warner, who has been at the organization's helm for over 20 years, 'barred from all football activities' pending an investigation into bribery allegations.

The suspension, handed down by FIFA's ethics committee on Sunday, relates to allegations that were reported to FIFA by CONCACAF's American general secretary Chuck Blazer.

When CONCACAF re-elected Warner at its congress on May 3 -- the alliance between the bearded Blazer from New York and Trinidadian Warner looked, on the surface to be strong.

But behind the scenes, Warner, who like Blazer was a long-standing ally of FIFA president Sepp Blatter, was planning a meeting with Qatari Mohammed Bin Hammam. It was a get-together where, Blazer alleges, bribes were handed out.

The charges have been denied by Warner and Bin Hammam but some Caribbean federations, including Puerto Rico's, have backed up the claims according to FIFA.

Warner says he has statements from 13 Caribbean federations backing him. But that presumably leaves 12 that no longer are willing to give him their support, a near halving of his power base.

With little hard support for Warner in Central and North America, his majority has dissipated and it is hard to see how he could come back to power.

Warner has based his power on the Caribbean Football Union's 25 votes - allied with Blazer's diplomatic skills at keeping the United States and Mexico on board.

Now that the relationship between Blazer and Warner has been broken and Warner has lost his monolithic vote block in the Caribbean, all bets are off.

Mexico, the most successful soccer nation in the region, has long been uncomfortable with CONCACAF politics and while rumors of them splitting away to join South America's CONMEBOL are almost certainly fanciful, they may decide that now is the time to lead the Spanish-speaking countries, into a stronger role.

The United States are growing as an economic power in the sport and while they have been close allies of Warner's -- through Blazer -- they too may feel this is the right moment to use their financial weight and take on a leadership role.

But the numbers -- 25 out of 35 full FIFA members from the region -- remain with the Caribbean and it is there that the short-term future direction of the confederation will be decided.

Will the Warner loyalists look to re-establish their power or will the rebels, who have provided evidence against him, be joined by more defectors in the coming days and weeks?

(Editing by Pritha Sarkar)

Title: Update: Shocker video
Post by: dreamer on May 30, 2011, 12:00:03 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/sportvideo/footballvideo/8545810/Fifa-executive-Jack-Warner-Sepp-Blatter-must-be-stopped.html

 :o :o
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Brownsugar on May 30, 2011, 12:04:23 PM

I kinda disappointed jack is not really "ah borse" as diamondtrim does say


Whey he??  I surprised he eh come and declare that Jack is ah boss as yet...steups!!

And Coop's, yuh talk to Jack yet??  He tell yuh how he keeping on the teflon jacket this time??  Don't keep mih in suspense nah......ah running low on popcorn....
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on May 30, 2011, 12:07:01 PM
Jack does have a problem in defending himself? Remember the Lasana rantings, well he ranting again,where's de tsunami? the international media laughing at him and calling it a thunderstorm.Now he even incriminating the man who was charged with him saying they bought the world cup.Jack does look like a mad man when he trying to defend himself,puling at anything he could get his hands on.No plan,no strategy, no thinking !!!!!!

Here is the beginning of the first wave:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/may/30/fifa-in-crisis-live-blog

I'm just going to grab my popcorn and enjoy the show. This is going to better than 4th of July and Chinese New Year combined.

With Valcke admitting the authenticity of the email Jack released, a few of things emerge. First, if Valcke knew of improprieties surrounding the Qatar bid, he had a duty to report it to the Ethics Committee. Since he didn't, he could be suspended and charged. Second, this creates the very real possibility that Qatar will lose the 2022 World Cup. My prediction is that Australia will get it instead of the US. Third and most important, Blatter is done. Once more allegations come forward, adidas and other major FIFA sponsors won't be able to take the heat and risk worldwide boycotts of their products. They will ask that he step down and Platini will be the interim president. The question will be; how will T&T, specifically its football, come out of this whole affair?

Better off, trust me on that!!  :beermug:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on May 30, 2011, 12:12:16 PM
so who is going to take charge of Concacaf? The Asians already appoint ah Chinese.Gold Cup coming up.Will the Caribbean islands allow a North American to run things?   

Silly question... we could easily ask whether the Central and North Americans would trust another Caribbean person to run things, seeing what they had to deal with in Jack Warner.
Title: Re: Update: Shocker video
Post by: pecan on May 30, 2011, 12:12:28 PM

(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h104/pecan6/Emoticons/eatingpeanuts.gif)
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Controversial on May 30, 2011, 12:13:10 PM
Jack does have a problem in defending himself? Remember the Lasana rantings, well he ranting again,where's de tsunami? the international media laughing at him and calling it a thunderstorm.Now he even incriminating the man who was charged with him saying they bought the world cup.Jack does look like a mad man when he trying to defend himself,puling at anything he could get his hands on.No plan,no strategy, no thinking !!!!!!

Here is the beginning of the first wave:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/may/30/fifa-in-crisis-live-blog

I'm just going to grab my popcorn and enjoy the show. This is going to better than 4th of July and Chinese New Year combined.

With Valcke admitting the authenticity of the email Jack released, a few of things emerge. First, if Valcke knew of improprieties surrounding the Qatar bid, he had a duty to report it to the Ethics Committee. Since he didn't, he could be suspended and charged. Second, this creates the very real possibility that Qatar will lose the 2022 World Cup. My prediction is that Australia will get it instead of the US. Third and most important, Blatter is done. Once more allegations come forward, adidas and other major FIFA sponsors won't be able to take the heat and risk worldwide boycotts of their products. They will ask that he step down and Platini will be the interim president. The question will be; how will T&T, specifically its football, come out of this whole affair?

Better off, trust me on that!!  :beermug:

i disagree with that, it affects us negatively as well, TT football will suffer as well, people are not looking at the bigger picture. TT will be branded as well in a negative light. >:(
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Brownsugar on May 30, 2011, 12:20:00 PM
Jack does have a problem in defending himself? Remember the Lasana rantings, well he ranting again,where's de tsunami? the international media laughing at him and calling it a thunderstorm.Now he even incriminating the man who was charged with him saying they bought the world cup.Jack does look like a mad man when he trying to defend himself,puling at anything he could get his hands on.No plan,no strategy, no thinking !!!!!!

Here is the beginning of the first wave:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/may/30/fifa-in-crisis-live-blog

I'm just going to grab my popcorn and enjoy the show. This is going to better than 4th of July and Chinese New Year combined.

With Valcke admitting the authenticity of the email Jack released, a few of things emerge. First, if Valcke knew of improprieties surrounding the Qatar bid, he had a duty to report it to the Ethics Committee. Since he didn't, he could be suspended and charged. Second, this creates the very real possibility that Qatar will lose the 2022 World Cup. My prediction is that Australia will get it instead of the US. Third and most important, Blatter is done. Once more allegations come forward, adidas and other major FIFA sponsors won't be able to take the heat and risk worldwide boycotts of their products. They will ask that he step down and Platini will be the interim president. The question will be; how will T&T, specifically its football, come out of this whole affair?

Better off, trust me on that!!  :beermug:

i disagree with that, it affects us negatively as well, TT football will suffer as well, people are not looking at the bigger picture. TT will be branded as well in a negative light. >:(

Yuh mean the bad publicity we getting so far eh negative enough??!!....
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on May 30, 2011, 12:20:54 PM
Whey he??  I surprised he eh come and declare that Jack is ah boss as yet...steups!!

And Coop's, yuh talk to Jack yet??  He tell yuh how he keeping on the teflon jacket this time??  Don't keep mih in suspense nah......ah running low on popcorn....

diamondtrim cyah come and post... he in Switzerland until Thursday.
Title: Re: Update: Shocker video
Post by: Jah Gol on May 30, 2011, 12:24:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/tzMhI8m8MeE
Title: Re: Update: Shocker video
Post by: Socapro on May 30, 2011, 12:31:40 PM
Well, look at this!!

Looks like FIFA can give we Carnival a good run for its money where Bacchanal is concerned!

Which Calypsonian or Soca artist going to be the first to write a song about this?

Karene Asche, whey yuh?!!!  ;)

I feel they will have a big international hit on their hands yes!!

Whey the popcorn?!  8)
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: ZANDOLIE on May 30, 2011, 12:32:21 PM
Jack does have a problem in defending himself? Remember the Lasana rantings, well he ranting again,where's de tsunami? the international media laughing at him and calling it a thunderstorm.Now he even incriminating the man who was charged with him saying they bought the world cup.Jack does look like a mad man when he trying to defend himself,puling at anything he could get his hands on.No plan,no strategy, no thinking !!!!!!

Here is the beginning of the first wave:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/may/30/fifa-in-crisis-live-blog

I'm just going to grab my popcorn and enjoy the show. This is going to better than 4th of July and Chinese New Year combined.

With Valcke admitting the authenticity of the email Jack released, a few of things emerge. First, if Valcke knew of improprieties surrounding the Qatar bid, he had a duty to report it to the Ethics Committee. Since he didn't, he could be suspended and charged. Second, this creates the very real possibility that Qatar will lose the 2022 World Cup. My prediction is that Australia will get it instead of the US. Third and most important, Blatter is done. Once more allegations come forward, adidas and other major FIFA sponsors won't be able to take the heat and risk worldwide boycotts of their products. They will ask that he step down and Platini will be the interim president. The question will be; how will T&T, specifically its football, come out of this whole affair?

Better off, trust me on that!!  :beermug:

i disagree with that, it affects us negatively as well, TT football will suffer as well, people are not looking at the bigger picture. TT will be branded as well in a negative light. >:(

It will definitely paint us in a negative light to outsiders. Especially seeing that Jack is/was acting PM of Trinidad and Tobago. Plus this is not even started yet, there is still the possibility that Jack will hang on and remain a strong influence on the local game for a long time to come.

And even if he goes there will be a BIG leadership vaccum and infighting that will hobble our game in the short term. Some of the incompetent, spineless worms who towed Jack's line without a peep will be emboldened to assert themselves in a bid for power.

But IMO would be an overall positive thing to have the Trinidad and Tobago football establishment shaken to the core.  The soca warriors did their part, the foreigners press did their part. It will come down to us the citizens of T&T to make sure we don't put up with the nonsense anymore.

Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: mukumsplau on May 30, 2011, 12:35:47 PM
so, we go still get dat game or wat?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Dutty on May 30, 2011, 12:35:54 PM
Hmm, in less than 2 months Americans get rid of Bin Laden, Bin Hammam and Bin Teefin
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: pecan on May 30, 2011, 12:41:20 PM
Hmm, in less than 2 months Americans get rid of Bin Laden, Bin Hammam and Bin Teefin

*chokes on popcorn*  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: ZANDOLIE on May 30, 2011, 12:44:47 PM
Hmm, in less than 2 months Americans get rid of Bin Laden, Bin Hammam and Bin Teefin

 :devil:

Jack-Bin Teefin
Camps- Bin sleepin
Groden- Bin hidin
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on May 30, 2011, 12:46:40 PM
Jack does have a problem in defending himself? Remember the Lasana rantings, well he ranting again,where's de tsunami? the international media laughing at him and calling it a thunderstorm.Now he even incriminating the man who was charged with him saying they bought the world cup.Jack does look like a mad man when he trying to defend himself,puling at anything he could get his hands on.No plan,no strategy, no thinking !!!!!!

Here is the beginning of the first wave:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/may/30/fifa-in-crisis-live-blog

I'm just going to grab my popcorn and enjoy the show. This is going to better than 4th of July and Chinese New Year combined.

With Valcke admitting the authenticity of the email Jack released, a few of things emerge. First, if Valcke knew of improprieties surrounding the Qatar bid, he had a duty to report it to the Ethics Committee. Since he didn't, he could be suspended and charged. Second, this creates the very real possibility that Qatar will lose the 2022 World Cup. My prediction is that Australia will get it instead of the US. Third and most important, Blatter is done. Once more allegations come forward, adidas and other major FIFA sponsors won't be able to take the heat and risk worldwide boycotts of their products. They will ask that he step down and Platini will be the interim president. The question will be; how will T&T, specifically its football, come out of this whole affair?

Better off, trust me on that!!  :beermug:

i disagree with that, it affects us negatively as well, TT football will suffer as well, people are not looking at the bigger picture. TT will be branded as well in a negative light. >:(

It will definitely paint us in a negative light to outsiders. Especially seeing that Jack is/was acting PM of Trinidad and Tobago. Plus this is not even started yet, there is still the possibility that Jack will hang on and remain a strong influence on the local game for a long time to come.

And even if he goes there will be a BIG leadership vaccum and infighting that will hobble our game in the short term. Some of the incompetent, spineless worms who towed Jack's line without a peep will be emboldened to assert themselves in a bid for power.

But IMO would be an overall positive thing to have the Trinidad and Tobago football establishment shaken to the core.  The soca warriors did their part, the foreigners press did their part. It will come down to us the citizens of T&T to make sure we don't put up with the nonsense anymore.

The question was: How will T&T, specifically its football, come out of this whole affair?

Do you guys honestly believe our football could be any worst off than it currently is?

I doubt that very much! Things can only get better, trust me!!

We wanted positive change in the TTFF and hopefully we will get it after this sordid affair plays out and especially if the players stick to their guns and the TTFF is forced to open its books!

With Jackula’s sources of brown envelopes drying up because he is suspended from all football related activity, he will finally be staked in the heart and be forced to remove his fangs from our football!

T&T football will hopefully be finally able to rise from the dead and make a place for itself regularly on the world football stage.

My conclusion is that we can only be better off!!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on May 30, 2011, 12:59:20 PM
May 30, 2011, 11:35 am

Blatter Defiant During News Conference
 
By THE NEW YORK TIMES
 

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A video crew outside FIFA headquarters in Zurich waits for news, any news.

 
1:10 p.m. | Updated Sepp Blatter’s news conference in Zurich, which was scheduled to begin at 12 p.m., Eastern, did not start until 12:35 p.m. What follows is a transcript of the news conference that was streamed live at FIFA.com.
 
The more than 30-minute session ended contentiously when a FIFA representative cut off questions as journalists in the audience sought to grill Blatter further. Neither side left happy.
 
The transcript:

 
I’m happy to be with you and also on account of the new actuality I have decided, and especially after this afternoon’s meeting of the executive committee, to be with you alone and not at a dais with other people.
 
I just want to repeat what I’ve said and through messages given yesterday, the ethics committee has reached its decisions. I have no right to comment on it. I was even myself not in my privileged position. I repeat what I said: I regret what has happened in last days and weeks, it has done great damage to FIFA, but is also a great disappointment, for football fans, I’m speaking to football fans.
 
Today we had a meeting of the executive committee, I am not giving you a lot of details. Our press department will distribute documents and they will be available. But there have been one or two points that I want to inform you.
 
The executive committee of FIFA was very pleased to receive the report of the Football Association regarding allegations made on 10 May made by Lord David Triesman at the House of Commons against four executive committee members, and we were happy that we can confirm there are no elements in this report which would even prompt any proceedings. But for the sake of transparency, FIFA and the F.A. agreed that a comprehensive summary of this report would be published and the summary can be read on FIFA.com. I’m happy also that we have not received any evidence from the Sunday Times or from any announced whistleblower with regards to allegations made against two other members of executive committee, therefore the outcome is the same, what shall we do with elements in report? Nothing.
 
And World Cup 2022 is not touched by that, so is the World Cup 2018.

Concerning the executive committee there is one or other information of importance, Japan will organizing the FIFA Club World Cup in December. We are happy after having been two years in United Arab Emirates, now back to Japan. Violá.
 
We were in Conmebol and Conacaf, said to executive committee at 50-year anniversary of Concacaf, I offered project elements that will be realized through structure of the Goal project. These two things will be taken over by Goal institution and then will be presented to the executive committee. In light of 50 years of Concacaf, that’s the way it works. [Blatter had been accused of promising $1 million to Concacaf in exchange for the confederation's support of his re-election.]
 
One important decision, Bosnia has accepted change in statutes, therefore the ban is lifted and Bosnia will be able to play as of June 3 in national and club competitions. We also settled problems with Brunei. And Indonesia can go on playing to June 30.

Now ready to take your questions. I would insist again on the fact that this morning I went to four meetings of four confederations: UEFA, Conmebol, Oceania and Concacaf and invited everyone to show unity and solidarity concerning FIFA’s future.
 
Q: Last night one of your past allies Jack Warner told me that you should be stopped. Some reaction to statement?
 
A: Stopped? … I have no, reaction.
 
Q: Everyone knows this is the time for change and reform. What will you do for FIFA in next four years?
 
A: Thank you for your question. Just come back to ideas I’ve developed for the future and exposed to executive committee today. One of these items on the agenda, there is one, zero tolerance. Zero tolerance on the field, and zero tolerance outside the field of play. Means we have to reinforce the ethic committee to professionalize the committee to have professionalism. To look to our image and also need a new communication, a new tool and to have a better understanding with the you, the media, everybody in the media. It’s something we have to do. And more than that what we have to do in the congress to get a unity in solidarity and to look forward for the next four years. It will not be an easy task but together we can do it.

Q: Some governments also asking that election be postponed? How do you feel about that?
 
A: If governments want to intervene in the FIFA organization then there is something wrong. I think FIFA is strong enough to build inside FIFA. I’m sure the congress will show its unity and will solve their problems, if there are any in the congress.
 
Q: The media today is talking about a crisis in FIFA . Is it a crisis?
 
A: If somebody would describe to me a crisis? What is a crisis. Football is not in a crisis. We have just seen a beautiful Champions League final with Barcelona, with fair play. We are only in some difficulties. And they will be solved inside our family.
 
Q: Mr. Warner released details of an email from Mr. Valke saying that Qatar bought the World Cup. Can you give your backing to Mr. Valke. Is he becoming too politicized?
 
A: I will not answer this question. I am the president of FIFA, you cannot question me.
 
(There is an outburst in the audience, some rumbling and comments that were inaudible because the speakers did not have microphones.)
 
In response to the rumblings, Blatter said: I accepted to have a press conference with you alone here. I respect you, please respect me. If you ask for a question ask for the mic. We are not in a bazaar here, we are in FIFA House.
 
Q: You said a few minutes ago, that for Concacaf you offered two goal projects. Can you do that?
 
A: The FIFA president can do even more, but it has to be approved by the executive committee and the committee approved that. Certainly I can do that.
 
Q: Now that two members have been suspended pending bribe investigation, can you see why now there are calls to postpone Wednesday election?
 
A: If somebody wants to change something in the election or in the congress … these are the members of FIFA this cannot be done by the executive committee or any authorities outside of FIFA. Only the congress itself can do it with three-quarters of majority, it can change agenda.
 
Q: How do you feel personally that Mr. Bin Hammam has pulled out of challenge of your presidency and that you are now standing alone?
 
A: You should ask him why he pulled out. Personally, I was prepared to go into an election process with another candidate and then the congress would have decided. Now the situation has changed.

Q: What do you say to those who want a revote for the 2022 World Cup and you if you are a major problem for FIFA, should leave?
 
A: We are only allowing one questions each and that was two questions. Which one do you want me to answer? The second: Again, it is for the congress of FIFA decide if I am a valid or nonvalid candidate.
 
Q: Do you believe Qatar bid was clean?
 
A: I believe that the decision which we took for World Cup 2022 was done exactly clean in the same pattern and again I say what I said at beginning of press conference: there is no issue for the World Cup 2022.
 
Q: Is FIFA’s reputation at lowest ever. How did it happen on your watch?
 
A: I tried to have the FIFA reputation at highest possible way. We are in a game, in this game I will tell you there is a lot of gambling and not only on the field of play. Have to say at beginning of FIFA when I entered 36 years ago, we had no problems, until 1998. This was the modest FIFA. Now we are a comfortable FIFA and because we are too comfortable all the little devils can enter the game.
 
Q: To say that this is the season of long knives in football would be an understatement. How will you be able to sit in meetings of the executive committee and move forward after all that has happened?
 
A: I repeat what said several times. I have not chosen the members of executive committee. They are delegated by their confederations. I have to deal with the personalities that are there and try to do best out of it. Something has changed in FIFA and we will try to change more in future. I cannot change members of my government, it is not up to me.
 
(More rumbling from the audience.)
 
Blatter: I have asked for respect, I was respectful to you. …

(Blatter walks off the stage as others try to ask questions. One more is asked.)
 
Q: This is a press conference, and I thought it is for asking questions. There are so many more people here who want to ask questions.
 
A: I have answered the questions and I thank you for your attendance.
 
I will not go into discussions with people who like to create problems. I just want to tell you one thing. You can laugh, that’s an attitude. So is respect. I have learned this in my life also as a journalist. I said this is finished. Thank you.

http://goal.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/05/30/blatters-news-conference-live/?ref=sports
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: 100% Barataria on May 30, 2011, 01:12:35 PM
Hmm, in less than 2 months Americans get rid of Bin Laden, Bin Hammam and Bin Teefin

 :rotfl:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: ZANDOLIE on May 30, 2011, 01:41:16 PM

The question was: How will T&T, specifically its football, come out of this whole affair?

Do you guys honestly believe our football could be any worst off than it currently is?

I doubt that very much! Things can only get better, trust me!!

We wanted positive change in the TTFF and hopefully we will get it after this sordid affair plays out and especially if the players stick to their guns and the TTFF is forced to open its books!

With Jackula’s sources of brown envelopes drying up because he is suspended from all football related activity, he will finally be staked in the heart and be forced to remove his fangs from our football!

T&T football will hopefully be finally able to rise from the dead and make a place for itself regularly on the world football stage.

My conclusion is that we can only be better off!!

Getting rid of Jack and company would be a moral victory, but not a guarantee that things will get better.

Was there a succession plan in place?

Are there well qualified, honest people with ambitious plans to rebuild the game willing to step in to form a new federation?, Or will a new federation consist of whichever of Jack's former cronies that won the resulting power struggle in their wake?

Will we suffer negative fallout from Jack's misdeeds?

T&T football will emerge stronger ONLY if the public demands more accountability, transparency, and results oriented planning on the part of the federation. To paraphrase an old song 'nothing worth having comes without a fight, gotta kick at the darkness til it bleeds daylight'.

To answer your specific question...There are no easy answers, no matter how just the cause or how much we want it. In short the future of football will be what we make of it.
Title: Fifa executive Jack Warner: Sepp Blatter must be stopped
Post by: Trini _2026 on May 30, 2011, 01:41:21 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/7dEH9Bd5GEU
Title: Re: Fifa executive Jack Warner: Sepp Blatter must be stopped
Post by: Mose on May 30, 2011, 01:42:09 PM
Definite signs of trouble in the camp!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on May 30, 2011, 01:42:54 PM
Jack does have a problem in defending himself? Remember the Lasana rantings, well he ranting again,where's de tsunami? the international media laughing at him and calling it a thunderstorm.Now he even incriminating the man who was charged with him saying they bought the world cup.Jack does look like a mad man when he trying to defend himself,puling at anything he could get his hands on.No plan,no strategy, no thinking !!!!!!

Here is the beginning of the first wave:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/may/30/fifa-in-crisis-live-blog

I'm just going to grab my popcorn and enjoy the show. This is going to better than 4th of July and Chinese New Year combined.

With Valcke admitting the authenticity of the email Jack released, a few of things emerge. First, if Valcke knew of improprieties surrounding the Qatar bid, he had a duty to report it to the Ethics Committee. Since he didn't, he could be suspended and charged. Second, this creates the very real possibility that Qatar will lose the 2022 World Cup. My prediction is that Australia will get it instead of the US. Third and most important, Blatter is done. Once more allegations come forward, adidas and other major FIFA sponsors won't be able to take the heat and risk worldwide boycotts of their products. They will ask that he step down and Platini will be the interim president. The question will be; how will T&T, specifically its football, come out of this whole affair?

Better off, trust me on that!!  :beermug:

i disagree with that, it affects us negatively as well, TT football will suffer as well, people are not looking at the bigger picture. TT will be branded as well in a negative light. >:(

It will definitely paint us in a negative light to outsiders. Especially seeing that Jack is/was acting PM of Trinidad and Tobago. Plus this is not even started yet, there is still the possibility that Jack will hang on and remain a strong influence on the local game for a long time to come.

And even if he goes there will be a BIG leadership vaccum and infighting that will hobble our game in the short term. Some of the incompetent, spineless worms who towed Jack's line without a peep will be emboldened to assert themselves in a bid for power.

But IMO would be an overall positive thing to have the Trinidad and Tobago football establishment shaken to the core.  The soca warriors did their part, the foreigners press did their part. It will come down to us the citizens of T&T to make sure we don't put up with the nonsense anymore.



Guys, I've been saying on this site for months now that Jack has damaged the worlds image of T&T mostly in UK, USA, Australia and Europe. I've heard people in the past refer to "Tricky Trinis" but usually they were other Caribbean people. I had never heard English & Americans use the term, but I'm hearing it now. Its like back in the day when the African leaders were involved in corruption and ethnic cleansing. When you heard the name Idi Amin, you automatically had a negative connotation. I'm not saying Jack is like Amin, but the point is, when you hear Jack Warner you think of Trinidad. When you think of Trinidad you think of corruption.
Jack should never have entered politics all the time he's involved with FIFA. Its bad for T&Ts reputation. And its a real shame because as beautiful as this country is, and as honest and friendly as most Trinis are, all you see from the outside is high murder rates and Jack involved in corruption.
Title: Re: Fifa executive Jack Warner: Sepp Blatter must be stopped
Post by: Trini _2026 on May 30, 2011, 01:47:40 PM
Definite signs of trouble in the camp!
Warner want to cry  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: kaliman2006 on May 30, 2011, 01:49:38 PM
Hmm, in less than 2 months Americans get rid of Bin Laden, Bin Hammam and Bin Teefin

 :devil:

Good one.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: kaliman2006 on May 30, 2011, 02:01:10 PM
If this has already been posted I apologize. If not, notice Jack getting increasingly ignorant. I would not have been surprised if he went for ah bottle in the middle of this interview.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/13593742.stm
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: D.H.W on May 30, 2011, 02:13:19 PM
 :whip: :whip:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Blue on May 30, 2011, 02:17:04 PM
If this has already been posted I apologize. If not, notice Jack getting increasingly ignorant. I would not have been surprised if he went for ah bottle in the middle of this interview.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/13593742.stm

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: D.H.W on May 30, 2011, 02:24:29 PM
If this has already been posted I apologize. If not, notice Jack getting increasingly ignorant. I would not have been surprised if he went for ah bottle in the middle of this interview.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/13593742.stm

waaay hahaha  :devil: best defense is a good offense
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: JDB on May 30, 2011, 02:43:31 PM
Men still think this a plot by Sepp and SuperJack to scupper Bin Hammam?

Once I hear sworn affidavits and Blazer I thought that this one was different to past accusations. IT also seemed to be too detailed as a plot to just get Bin Hammam out.

Whatever happen Jack days in FIFA numbered because that cabal of thieves only works if everybody scratching everybody else back.

Sepp could release details of Jack's censure for the 2006 ticketing scam, or details of his failure to pay, or details of his generous TV deals, or deals for services to FIFA. Problem is if he does it how does he explain his inaction. Jack positioning the 2022 WC thing as "Valcke say the WC get bought" obviously not worried that nobody expects him to reveal this before now.

I wonder why Jack make this play at all. Maybe he see the chance to increase his influence by making Bin Hammam king or he fraid the prospect f Platini taking over in the next cycle.

Endless possibilities this one.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: JDB on May 30, 2011, 02:46:08 PM
I should add that what Jack quote in the email is hardly evidence. Valcke may well know details of the WC being bought but that sentence in that email is no different to us on this board saying that "Qatar buy it".

Unless Valcke prepared to start talking Jack will have to dig deeper.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on May 30, 2011, 02:56:24 PM
I should add that what Jack quote in the email is hardly evidence. Valcke may well know details of the WC being bought but that sentence in that email is no different to us on this board saying that "Qatar buy it".

Unless Valcke prepared to start talking Jack will have to dig deeper.

But it makes Valcke's position pretty untenable...Jack taking down everybody :flamethrower:

Valcke's statement is more evidence of political bias (against Bin Hammam) than direct evidence as to impropriety in the award process.  It may stoke, and for some confirm, suspicions that the bid was bought, but it's hardly a smoking gun.  If anything Valcke can easily stand up and say "look, I don't like the man and I thought he used his influence to get votes, but that was just loose informal talk between Jack and I... I have no evidence that he 'bought' any votes."
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: royal on May 30, 2011, 03:07:02 PM
well I guess all these FIFA experts and Concacaf committee members we have form Trinidad and the Caribbean will be out of some US $ now.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: coache on May 30, 2011, 03:15:00 PM
Jack is a crook . A fowl tief from long time, I real glad.I feel bad for de stain on Trini,but I reaall glad Jack finish wid football for life.lol.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: grimm01 on May 30, 2011, 03:19:11 PM
I should add that what Jack quote in the email is hardly evidence. Valcke may well know details of the WC being bought but that sentence in that email is no different to us on this board saying that "Qatar buy it".

Unless Valcke prepared to start talking Jack will have to dig deeper.

yuh right, Jack better have more than an email if he plan on taking on these men. he better start leaking audio and video recordings and start sending the details of men off-shore account to their local tax authorities.

he know better than all of us how dem FIFA men will turn on a dime in their own self interest and right now it looking like he who has the most influence and/or money will survive this mess. despite all that he do, ah don't think Jack has Bin Hammam kinda money and Sepp still control the FIFA purse strings.

all now the horse trading happening behind the scenes, FIFA name dragging through the mud and sponsors getting restless. too many people have too much money at stake, time to close ranks and make deals to make this go away. Qatar is the WC host, FIFA not about to embarass them...

Bin Hammam will make his deal, save face and then retire in 6-12 months as he loss influence and will be politically neutered. bet yuh bottom dollar any deal he make not including Jack. the writing on the wall, Jack time at FIFA is up.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: davyjenny1 on May 30, 2011, 03:38:28 PM
Mr. Colin KLASS get ready FIFA forensic people coming yuh son of a gun...
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Jah Gol on May 30, 2011, 04:10:18 PM
If this has already been posted I apologize. If not, notice Jack getting increasingly ignorant. I would not have been surprised if he went for ah bottle in the middle of this interview.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/13593742.stm
The stammer back in full effect.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on May 30, 2011, 04:57:15 PM
Jack does have a problem in defending himself? Remember the Lasana rantings, well he ranting again,where's de tsunami? the international media laughing at him and calling it a thunderstorm.Now he even incriminating the man who was charged with him saying they bought the world cup.Jack does look like a mad man when he trying to defend himself,puling at anything he could get his hands on.No plan,no strategy, no thinking !!!!!!

Here is the beginning of the first wave:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/may/30/fifa-in-crisis-live-blog

I'm just going to grab my popcorn and enjoy the show. This is going to better than 4th of July and Chinese New Year combined.

With Valcke admitting the authenticity of the email Jack released, a few of things emerge. First, if Valcke knew of improprieties surrounding the Qatar bid, he had a duty to report it to the Ethics Committee. Since he didn't, he could be suspended and charged. Second, this creates the very real possibility that Qatar will lose the 2022 World Cup. My prediction is that Australia will get it instead of the US. Third and most important, Blatter is done. Once more allegations come forward, adidas and other major FIFA sponsors won't be able to take the heat and risk worldwide boycotts of their products. They will ask that he step down and Platini will be the interim president. The question will be; how will T&T, specifically its football, come out of this whole affair?

Better off, trust me on that!!  :beermug:

i disagree with that, it affects us negatively as well, TT football will suffer as well, people are not looking at the bigger picture. TT will be branded as well in a negative light. >:(

It will definitely paint us in a negative light to outsiders. Especially seeing that Jack is/was acting PM of Trinidad and Tobago. Plus this is not even started yet, there is still the possibility that Jack will hang on and remain a strong influence on the local game for a long time to come.

And even if he goes there will be a BIG leadership vaccum and infighting that will hobble our game in the short term. Some of the incompetent, spineless worms who towed Jack's line without a peep will be emboldened to assert themselves in a bid for power.

But IMO would be an overall positive thing to have the Trinidad and Tobago football establishment shaken to the core.  The soca warriors did their part, the foreigners press did their part. It will come down to us the citizens of T&T to make sure we don't put up with the nonsense anymore.



Guys, I've been saying on this site for months now that Jack has damaged the worlds image of T&T mostly in UK, USA, Australia and Europe. I've heard people in the past refer to "Tricky Trinis" but usually they were other Caribbean people. I had never heard English & Americans use the term, but I'm hearing it now. Its like back in the day when the African leaders were involved in corruption and ethnic cleansing. When you heard the name Idi Amin, you automatically had a negative connotation. I'm not saying Jack is like Amin, but the point is, when you hear Jack Warner you think of Trinidad. When you think of Trinidad you think of corruption.
Jack should never have entered politics all the time he's involved with FIFA. Its bad for T&Ts reputation. And its a real shame because as beautiful as this country is, and as honest and friendly as most Trinis are, all you see from the outside is high murder rates and Jack involved in corruption.

People see what they want to see my friend! We are no more corrupt than UK or the USA and they know that!
It's just that they have more influence over the world media than we do and can try to paint a false picture of us if they chose to!!

Once we clean house at the TTFF and get rid of Jack's invisible hand in the running of our federation all together then they would soon realise that Jackula's moral code does not represent the moral codes of the majority of Trinis!!

Come on the Americans had Bush as their president and the world does not see all Americans as warmongas as Bush was as a result.... well at least I hope not especially with Obama now in power!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: truetrini on May 30, 2011, 05:13:42 PM
Hmm, in less than 2 months Americans get rid of Bin Laden, Bin Hammam and Bin Teefin

I borrowing this...lol
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on May 30, 2011, 05:34:03 PM
People see what they want to see my friend! We are no more corrupt than UK or the USA and they know that!
It's just that they have more influence over the world media than we do and can try to paint a false picture of us if they chose to!!

Once we clean house at the TTFF and get rid of Jack's invisible hand in the running of our federation all together then they would soon realise that Jackula's moral code does not represent the moral codes of the majority of Trinis!!

Come on the Americans had Bush as their president and the world does not see all Americans as warmongas as Bush was as a result.... well at least I hope not especially with Obama now in power!

With all due respect I think yuh missing FS point... it's not about reality, it's about perception, that is implicit in the question as to how does Trinidad emerge in the eyes of the rest of the world with respect to this scandal.  There's a separate issue of how our football will fare, which I'll try to weigh in on as well.  Without a doubt this is a black mark on the reputation of TnT, in every article of significance related to the scandal "Trinidad and Tobago" is mentioned prominently alongside Jack's name.  Without a doubt people will know us in many respects, Carnival, pan, calypso (perhaps), oil, the Soca Warriors (perhaps... Germany a fading memory as it is)... Jack Warner.  

With the exception of the British press, most of the previous references were to Jack's role with CONCACAF, but in the past 7 days or so, increasingly it seems as though TnT's name is getting sucked in as well.  The one saving grace so far is that they haven't mentioned that he's a high-ranking Government Minister as well... as this more than anything reflects poorly on our citzenry.  The obvious question to be asked is "how could the Trinidad voters elect a man of such questionable scruples to such a high position," the tempting answer would be that the people of TnT don't think much of the ethical concerns surrounding Jack, which then of itself would cast aspersions as to what our ethical standards as a nation are.  We all know Jack Warner has no business being anywhere near government, not with that ethical cloud following him around. But money buys influence and for good or bad, Jack is a very influential person.  Now in all fairness to him, he's been a very good, if at times controversial Min. of Transportation.  With a bit more of a muzzle and better oversight/supervision, he can be an excellent Minister, but all that is beside the point.

As for how it affects our football... in the short term this will have a disastrous effect on the local game.  Had this happened earlier and I doubt we even would have been able to get Pfister on board, such is the taint from this scandal.  I don't know any good reason for another country to associate itself with our football, outside of greed or need (for money).  We have nothing to offer but a payday.  Our reputation on the field is shot, and right now I'd argue we don't have any reputation off it.  Yes we can blame Jack, but the vast majority has to be placed at the foot of the TTFF administration, and to government and other stakeholders who either took a soft approach to the TTFF, or took no approach at all, just giving them money and letting them do as they would with it.  

Gary Hunt was villified, but the one thing I would forever praise Hunt for is that he brought a business approach to the relationship and demanded accountability.  People didn't like his name, didn't like his manners, didn't like the flag issue, didn't like that he try to "jeopardize" the England friendly... and in the end he was run out of town "Hunt is ah Khunt!!" was the cry... right here on this messageboard.  Are we all better for it now?  Whether it was to be him or whether it will be someone else, we need a strong personality with a solid business acumen as Min. of Sport now more than ever.  That person needs to be willing to commit to the TTFF, and most importantly, demand a seat at the table with them and accountability from them, because without Jack at the helm we will need money.  When I say demand a seat, the government can't have much if any say in how the TTFF is run on a daily basis owing to FIFA's edict about gov't staying out of sport, but bettter oversight in how money is spent might be the way.  T

he relationship promises to be mutually beneficial.  Football is a money-making business, in the past 7 years FIFA's profits have grown from $480 billion to over $900 billion.  All Confederations and member FA's get a cut of that.  Private sponsorship alone will not fill that void, public funding must necessarily play a part.  Some of this may be in the form of grants to the TTFF, but the bulk I think ought to be in the form of loans... loans which the TTFF, if properly run is guaranteed to be able to pay back... the franchise is much too profitable to fail.  The only reason it has been foundering has been because of poor management and mismanagement.  I don't fault Jack for taking money out of the TTFF, I fault him for taking more than he was owed.  Long term this promises to be the start of a much overdue turnover in TnT football, and that can only be a good thing.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on May 30, 2011, 05:37:24 PM

Valcke's statement is more evidence of political bias (against Bin Hammam) than direct evidence as to impropriety in the award process.  It may stoke, and for some confirm, suspicions that the bid was bought, but it's hardly a smoking gun.  If anything Valcke can easily stand up and say "look, I don't like the man and I thought he used his influence to get votes, but that was just loose informal talk between Jack and I... I have no evidence that he 'bought' any votes."



Valcke says reference that Qatar ‘bought’ World Cup bid was about promotional campaign

By Associated Press,


ZURICH — FIFA Secretary General Jerome Valcke says his reference that Qatar had “bought” the right to host the 2022 World Cup was meant to imply the country simply used its “financial strength to lobby for support,” and not that it had done anything unethical.
The word was used in an email to FIFA Vice President Jack Warner, who released it after being suspended by FIFA on Sunday over bribery allegations in Qatari Mohamed bin Hammam’s campaign to replace Sepp Blatter as its president.

Valcke said Monday he was using “a much less formal tone than in any form of correspondence.”

In a statement Valcke adds that the Qataris had “a very important budget and have used it to heavily promote their bid.”

He insisted he was not referencing “any purchase of votes or similar unethical behavior.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/dcunited/valcke-says-reference-that-qatar-bought-world-cup-bid-was-about-promotional-campaign/2011/05/30/AGwcspEH_story.html
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: royal on May 30, 2011, 05:46:04 PM
New CONCACAF chief turns on Blazer in FIFA row

Share  Reuters, Monday May 30 2011 By Simon Evans

MIAMI, May 30 (Reuters) - The soccer controversy that led to the banning of two leading FIFA officials has taken another twist with CONCACAF's new interim president taking aim at his general secretary Chuck Blazer.
Barbadian Lisle Austin, appointed interim president on Monday in place of suspended Trinidadian Jack Warner, moved quickly by issuing Blazer with a demand to explain himself and to stop working with the U.S. lawyers who presented evidence against Warner.
It was Blazer's report to FIFA's Ethics Committee, which included allegations of bribery against Warner and Asian soccer chief Mohammed Bin Hammam of Qatar, that led to this week's explosion of accusations and counter-accusations at world football's governing body in Zurich.
In a letter to Blazer seen by Reuters, Austin gave the American 48 hours to explain by what authority he appointed Chicago-based lawyers Collins and Collins to conduct investigations into the members of CONCACAF, the Confederation of North, Central American and Caribbean Association Football.
The letter also asks Blazer to produce minutes or documentation to show the decision was taken by the confederation's executive committee and to stop Collins and Collins from "conducting any business" including legal advice or representation for CONCACAF.
Lawyer John Collins has had a long-standing relationship with CONCACAF and with the U.S. Soccer Federation.
Blazer was not immediately available for comment but the letter indicates the new post-Warner CONCACAF is unlikely to make a harmonious start.
On Sunday FIFA's Ethics Committee suspended Warner and Bin Hammam pending full investigations of the charges made by Blazer.
A report by FIFA executive committee member Blazer said there had been possible violations of the FIFA ethics code in a meeting between Caribbean officials, Warner and Bin Hammam in Port of Spain this month.
Bin Hammam, who has now withdrawn his bid to take on incumbent Sepp Blatter in this week's FIFA presidential election, and Warner denied any wrongdoing.
On Monday FIFA secretary general Jerome Valcke produced an email from the president of the Puerto Rico Football Association who stated he had been offered a $40,000 inducement, which he accepted, reported and was sending to soccer's governing body.
(Editing by Tony Jimenez. To query or comment on this story email sportsfeedback@thomsonreuters.com)
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on May 30, 2011, 05:49:06 PM
People see what they want to see my friend! We are no more corrupt than UK or the USA and they know that!
It's just that they have more influence over the world media than we do and can try to paint a false picture of us if they chose to!!

Once we clean house at the TTFF and get rid of Jack's invisible hand in the running of our federation all together then they would soon realise that Jackula's moral code does not represent the moral codes of the majority of Trinis!!

Come on the Americans had Bush as their president and the world does not see all Americans as warmongas as Bush was as a result.... well at least I hope not especially with Obama now in power!

With all due respect I think yuh missing FS point... it's not about reality, it's about perception, that is implicit in the question as to how does Trinidad emerge in the eyes of the rest of the world with respect to this scandal.  There's a separate issue of how our football will fare, which I'll try to weigh in on as well.  Without a doubt this is a black mark on the reputation of TnT, in every article of significance related to the scandal "Trinidad and Tobago" is mentioned prominently alongside Jack's name.  Without a doubt people will know us in many respects, Carnival, pan, calypso (perhaps), oil, the Soca Warriors (perhaps... Germany a fading memory as it is)... Jack Warner.  

With the exception of the British press, most of the previous references were to Jack's role with CONCACAF, but in the past 7 days or so, increasingly it seems as though TnT's name is getting sucked in as well.  The one saving grace so far is that they haven't mentioned that he's a high-ranking Government Minister as well... as this more than anything reflects poorly on our citzenry.  The obvious question to be asked is "how could the Trinidad voters elect a man of such questionable scruples to such a high position," the tempting answer would be that the people of TnT don't think much of the ethical concerns surrounding Jack, which then of itself would cast aspersions as to what our ethical standards as a nation are.  We all know Jack Warner has no business being anywhere near government, not with that ethical cloud following him around. But money buys influence and for good or bad, Jack is a very influential person.  Now in all fairness to him, he's been a very good, if at times controversial Min. of Transportation.  With a bit more of a muzzle and better oversight/supervision, he can be an excellent Minister, but all that is beside the point.

As for how it affects our football... in the short term this will have a disastrous effect on the local game.  Had this happened earlier and I doubt we even would have been able to get Pfister on board, such is the taint from this scandal.  I don't know any good reason for another country to associate itself with our football, outside of greed or need (for money).  We have nothing to offer but a payday.  Our reputation on the field is shot, and right now I'd argue we don't have any reputation off it.  Yes we can blame Jack, but the vast majority has to be placed at the foot of the TTFF administration, and to government and other stakeholders who either took a soft approach to the TTFF, or took no approach at all, just giving them money and letting them do as they would with it.  

Gary Hunt was villified, but the one thing I would forever praise Hunt for is that he brought a business approach to the relationship and demanded accountability.  People didn't like his name, didn't like his manners, didn't like the flag issue, didn't like that he try to "jeopardize" the England friendly... and in the end he was run out of town "Hunt is ah Khunt!!" was the cry... right here on this messageboard.  Are we all better for it now?  Whether it was to be him or whether it will be someone else, we need a strong personality with a solid business acumen as Min. of Sport now more than ever.  That person needs to be willing to commit to the TTFF, and most importantly, demand a seat at the table with them and accountability from them, because without Jack at the helm we will need money.  When I say demand a seat, the government can't have much if any say in how the TTFF is run on a daily basis owing to FIFA's edict about gov't staying out of sport, but bettter oversight in how money is spent might be the way.  T

he relationship promises to be mutually beneficial.  Football is a money-making business, in the past 7 years FIFA's profits have grown from $480 billion to over $900 billion.  All Confederations and member FA's get a cut of that.  Private sponsorship alone will not fill that void, public funding must necessarily play a part.  Some of this may be in the form of grants to the TTFF, but the bulk I think ought to be in the form of loans... loans which the TTFF, if properly run is guaranteed to be able to pay back... the franchise is much too profitable to fail.  The only reason it has been foundering has been because of poor management and mismanagement.  I don't fault Jack for taking money out of the TTFF, I fault him for taking more than he was owed.  Long term this promises to be the start of a much overdue turnover in TnT football, and that can only be a good thing.

Good stuff Bakes! Ah cyah seriously argue with you on any of your points!!  :beermug:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on May 30, 2011, 05:58:12 PM
People see what they want to see my friend! We are no more corrupt than UK or the USA and they know that!
It's just that they have more influence over the world media than we do and can try to paint a false picture of us if they chose to!!

Once we clean house at the TTFF and get rid of Jack's invisible hand in the running of our federation all together then they would soon realise that Jackula's moral code does not represent the moral codes of the majority of Trinis!!

Come on the Americans had Bush as their president and the world does not see all Americans as warmongas as Bush was as a result.... well at least I hope not especially with Obama now in power!

With all due respect I think yuh missing FS point... it's not about reality, it's about perception, that is implicit in the question as to how does Trinidad emerge in the eyes of the rest of the world with respect to this scandal.  There's a separate issue of how our football will fare, which I'll try to weigh in on as well.  Without a doubt this is a black mark on the reputation of TnT, in every article of significance related to the scandal "Trinidad and Tobago" is mentioned prominently alongside Jack's name.  Without a doubt people will know us in many respects, Carnival, pan, calypso (perhaps), oil, the Soca Warriors (perhaps... Germany a fading memory as it is)... Jack Warner.  

With the exception of the British press, most of the previous references were to Jack's role with CONCACAF, but in the past 7 days or so, increasingly it seems as though TnT's name is getting sucked in as well.  The one saving grace so far is that they haven't mentioned that he's a high-ranking Government Minister as well... as this more than anything reflects poorly on our citzenry.  The obvious question to be asked is "how could the Trinidad voters elect a man of such questionable scruples to such a high position," the tempting answer would be that the people of TnT don't think much of the ethical concerns surrounding Jack, which then of itself would cast aspersions as to what our ethical standards as a nation are.  We all know Jack Warner has no business being anywhere near government, not with that ethical cloud following him around. But money buys influence and for good or bad, Jack is a very influential person.  Now in all fairness to him, he's been a very good, if at times controversial Min. of Transportation.  With a bit more of a muzzle and better oversight/supervision, he can be an excellent Minister, but all that is beside the point.

As for how it affects our football... in the short term this will have a disastrous effect on the local game.  Had this happened earlier and I doubt we even would have been able to get Pfister on board, such is the taint from this scandal.  I don't know any good reason for another country to associate itself with our football, outside of greed or need (for money).  We have nothing to offer but a payday.  Our reputation on the field is shot, and right now I'd argue we don't have any reputation off it.  Yes we can blame Jack, but the vast majority has to be placed at the foot of the TTFF administration, and to government and other stakeholders who either took a soft approach to the TTFF, or took no approach at all, just giving them money and letting them do as they would with it.  

Gary Hunt was villified, but the one thing I would forever praise Hunt for is that he brought a business approach to the relationship and demanded accountability.  People didn't like his name, didn't like his manners, didn't like the flag issue, didn't like that he try to "jeopardize" the England friendly... and in the end he was run out of town "Hunt is ah Khunt!!" was the cry... right here on this messageboard.  Are we all better for it now?  Whether it was to be him or whether it will be someone else, we need a strong personality with a solid business acumen as Min. of Sport now more than ever.  That person needs to be willing to commit to the TTFF, and most importantly, demand a seat at the table with them and accountability from them, because without Jack at the helm we will need money.  When I say demand a seat, the government can't have much if any say in how the TTFF is run on a daily basis owing to FIFA's edict about gov't staying out of sport, but bettter oversight in how money is spent might be the way.  T

he relationship promises to be mutually beneficial.  Football is a money-making business, in the past 7 years FIFA's profits have grown from $480 billion to over $900 billion.  All Confederations and member FA's get a cut of that.  Private sponsorship alone will not fill that void, public funding must necessarily play a part.  Some of this may be in the form of grants to the TTFF, but the bulk I think ought to be in the form of loans... loans which the TTFF, if properly run is guaranteed to be able to pay back... the franchise is much too profitable to fail.  The only reason it has been foundering has been because of poor management and mismanagement.  I don't fault Jack for taking money out of the TTFF, I fault him for taking more than he was owed.  Long term this promises to be the start of a much overdue turnover in TnT football, and that can only be a good thing.

Excellent post  :beermug:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Trini _2026 on May 30, 2011, 06:20:19 PM
If this has already been posted I apologize. If not, notice Jack getting increasingly ignorant. I would not have been surprised if he went for ah bottle in the middle of this interview.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/13593742.stm
The stammer back in full effect.

he is scared he arse dark   :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 30, 2011, 06:40:37 PM
They showing the money on Soccernet.com (along with account of events from Bermuda football official).  This looking real bleak.  Want to see how Warner will wiggle his way out of this one.  Evidence is looking somewhat insurmountable.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bourbon on May 30, 2011, 06:54:11 PM
I now come back from de bush dey....read up all de comess dat went on...and all i could do is say:


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Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: davyjenny1 on May 30, 2011, 07:08:26 PM
From: The Los Angeles Times

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-jones-soccer-fifa-20110530,0,5553304.story


Jack Warner, Mohamed Bin Hammam provisionally suspended from international soccer
The FIFA ethics committee is investigating bribery allegations against Warner, who is a FIFA vice president and president of the CONCACAF region, and Bin Hammam, who is president of the Asian Football Confederation.

   
Jack Warner, Mohamed bin Hammam

FIFA executives Jack Warner, left, and Mohamed bin Hammam. (Shirley Bahadur / Associated Press)
By Grahame L. Jones

May 29, 2011, 4:00 p.m.
Two of international soccer's most influential figures, Jack Warner of Trinidad and Tobago and Mohamed Bin Hammam of Qatar, on Sunday were provisionally suspended from the sport while a more in-depth inquiry is conducted into bribery allegations made against them.

Warner, 68, is a FIFA vice president and has been president of soccer's North and Central American and Caribbean (CONCACAF) region for the last 21 years.

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Bin Hammam, 62, is president of the Asian Football Confederation (AFC) and, until he withdrew Sunday morning, was running against incumbent Joseph "Sepp" Blatter in Wednesday's FIFA presidential election.

That election will go ahead, but with Blatter, 75, as the only candidate. He is expected to be rubber-stamped for a fourth term when FIFA's 208 member nations vote in Zurich.

Sunday's developments were the latest in a continuing saga that threatens to either unravel or reform scandal-ridden FIFA, international soccer's ruling body.

"We are satisfied that there is a case to be answered," by Warner and Bin Hammam, said Petrus Damaseb, the Namibian deputy chairman of FIFA's ethics committee after a daylong examination of the evidence in Zurich.

The committee also suspended two Caribbean Football Union (CFU) officials, Debbie Minguell and Jason Sylvester.

At the center of the storm were allegations made by American FIFA executive committee member Chuck Blazer of New York, who claimed that sums of up to $40,000 were paid to CFU officials by Bin Hammam at a meeting in Port of Spain, Trinidad, earlier this month.

Warner apparently facilitated that meeting after Bin Hammam was unable to obtain a visa to enter the U.S. to attend an earlier CONCACAF summit in Miami to plead his presidential case to delegates.

Bin Hammam, who had a key in Qatar being awarded the 2022 World Cup at the expense of the U.S. and other contenders, has since claimed that there was a "conspiracy" against him and that Blatter had known about the payments, which allegedly were to cover the expenses of CFU officials attending the meeting.

But the offer of money, which was refused by some, was instead viewed as an attempt to buy votes, and FIFA's ethics committee said it would probe deeper into the matter, while at the same time clearing Blatter of any involvement.

In withdrawing from the presidential race, Bin Hammam said he was doing so to keep the scandal from further harming FIFA.

"It saddens me that standing up for the causes that I believed in has come at a great price — the degradation of FIFA's reputation," he said in a prepared statement. "This is not what I had in mind for FIFA and this is unacceptable."

Within the last year, 10 current or former members of FIFA's 24-man executive committee have been implicated in various cash-for-votes scandals, many of them centering on the awarding of the 2018 and 2022 World Cup tournaments to Russia and Qatar, respectively.

This has led to widespread calls for FIFA to either be cleaned up or replaced as the sport's governing entity. On Sunday, Canadian Dick Pound, a former vice president of the International Olympic Committee, said leading soccer countries could conceivably break away and form a new organization.

"If FIFA is not going to do the game any good, the game may have to do something to FIFA," Pound told the BBC.

Blatter, meanwhile, Sunday expressed "regret" at recent developments and admitted that "FIFA's image has suffered a great deal."

grahame.jones@latimes.com

Copyright © 2011, Los Angeles Times
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: JDB on May 30, 2011, 07:15:41 PM

Valcke's statement is more evidence of political bias (against Bin Hammam) than direct evidence as to impropriety in the award process.  It may stoke, and for some confirm, suspicions that the bid was bought, but it's hardly a smoking gun.  If anything Valcke can easily stand up and say "look, I don't like the man and I thought he used his influence to get votes, but that was just loose informal talk between Jack and I... I have no evidence that he 'bought' any votes."



Valcke says reference that Qatar ‘bought’ World Cup bid was about promotional campaign

FIFA Secretary General Jerome Valcke says his reference that Qatar had “bought” the right to host the 2022 World Cup was meant to imply the country simply used its “financial strength to lobby for support,” and not that it had done anything unethical.

Earlier I said that Jack was moving greedy now I find he moving stupid. He probably have too much on his plate with Private businesses, Concacaf, CFU, TTFF (advisor), UNC chairmain, Minsitry of Works, Parliamentary representative and (acting) PM of the country same time. Is too much for a man pushing 70.

He had to know that email was paper thin BS. And at the end of the day people in FIFA will always have more on Jack than he have on them.

Even if he was somehow re-instated his dogs dead because the Concacaf members see him brought to his knees and he will be a lot less powerful. A central/north american alliance could work to pull off some CFU countries with the promise of better representation or prop up the candidacy of a non-Warner CFU head.

The only unique benefit Jack could offer Concacaf is his FIFA exec comm membership and he is certain to lose that when Blatter done with him. FIFA will need a fall guy to show that they "cleaning house" and Jack is the most worthy candidate. Blazer stitch him up good and proper by taking the issue outside of FIFA into the real world.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on May 30, 2011, 07:40:45 PM

Valcke's statement is more evidence of political bias (against Bin Hammam) than direct evidence as to impropriety in the award process.  It may stoke, and for some confirm, suspicions that the bid was bought, but it's hardly a smoking gun.  If anything Valcke can easily stand up and say "look, I don't like the man and I thought he used his influence to get votes, but that was just loose informal talk between Jack and I... I have no evidence that he 'bought' any votes."



Valcke says reference that Qatar ‘bought’ World Cup bid was about promotional campaign

FIFA Secretary General Jerome Valcke says his reference that Qatar had “bought” the right to host the 2022 World Cup was meant to imply the country simply used its “financial strength to lobby for support,” and not that it had done anything unethical.

Earlier I said that Jack was moving greedy now I find he moving stupid. He probably have too much on his plate with Private businesses, Concacaf, CFU, TTFF (advisor), UNC chairmain, Minsitry of Works, Parliamentary representative and (acting) PM of the country same time. Is too much for a man pushing 70.

He had to know that email was paper thin BS. And at the end of the day people in FIFA will always have more on Jack than he have on them.

Even if he was somehow re-instated his dogs dead because the Concacaf members see him brought to his knees and he will be a lot less powerful. A central/north american alliance could work to pull off some CFU countries with the promise of better representation or prop up the candidacy of a non-Warner CFU head.

The only unique benefit Jack could offer Concacaf is his FIFA exec comm membership and he is certain to lose that when Blatter done with him. FIFA will need a fall guy to show that they "cleaning house" and Jack is the most worthy candidate. Blazer stitch him up good and proper by taking the issue outside of FIFA into the real world.

 :beermug:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: JDB on May 30, 2011, 08:12:44 PM
Well yes, look thing!!!   :o :o   According to Lasana, knives in Switzerland selling for top dollars right now!!!....

Here what does kill me bout Jack, he crying that he was treated unfairly by FIFA's ethics committee but he tried every dirty trick in the book to deny the players they money he promised them......steups!!

If is one thing Jack, this new round of bacchanal providing good entertainment.....

Ah love it!!  (C) Andre Samuel

It's a joke because all of his accusations against others incriminate himself. If Blatter giving 1M in Goal money was wrong, then Jack wrong for taking it.

Also he questioning the procedure of the same Kangaroo Court that has been generous to him in the past.

The stuff about Blazer is a weak reach because I sure it was a matter where Blazer was n court on his (Concacaf's) behalf.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 30, 2011, 08:33:27 PM
Right now de thing bitter, right now the thing sticky sticky!!!
  :rotfl: :rotfl: :devil:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on May 30, 2011, 08:46:57 PM
Well yes, look thing!!!   :o :o   According to Lasana, knives in Switzerland selling for top dollars right now!!!....

Here what does kill me bout Jack, he crying that he was treated unfairly by FIFA's ethics committee but he tried every dirty trick in the book to deny the players they money he promised them......steups!!

If is one thing Jack, this new round of bacchanal providing good entertainment.....

Ah love it!!  (C) Andre Samuel

It's a joke because all of his accusations against others incriminate himself. If Blatter giving 1M in Goal money was wrong, then Jack wrong for taking it.

Also he questioning the procedure of the same Kangaroo Court that has been generous to him in the past.

The stuff about Blazer is a weak reach because I sure it was a matter where Blazer was n court on his (Concacaf's) behalf.

FIFA may not even have to do much more to hang Jack's Jack after all!
It's looks like Jack is quite capable of doing it to himself if he continues to open his mouth without thinking things thru properly as he has been doing!  :-[
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: 100% Barataria on May 30, 2011, 08:50:22 PM
As an side, it is amazing to me that a man who has spent so much time in the public eye, well travelled, and supposedly global has so much trouble articulating himself to the point where he delivers a lucid message.  Reminds of "de ticket below, de bogus ticket" speech from 1989
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on May 30, 2011, 08:58:00 PM
As an side, it is amazing to me that a man who has spent so much time in the public eye, well travelled, and supposedly global has so much trouble articulating himself to the point where he delivers a lucid message.  Reminds of "de ticket below, de bogus ticket" speech from 1989

Am I the only one here who is embarrassed most of the time that Jack is Trinidadian?!  :-[
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: big dawg on May 30, 2011, 09:04:40 PM
As an side, it is amazing to me that a man who has spent so much time in the public eye, well travelled, and supposedly global has so much trouble articulating himself to the point where he delivers a lucid message.  Reminds of "de ticket below, de bogus ticket" speech from 1989



wow.. u remember dat too..   :beermug:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: TdotTrini on May 30, 2011, 09:29:35 PM
FIFA's Jack Warner 'diverted Caribbean Football Union travel funds'By Charles Sale

Last updated at 12:01 AM on 31st May 2011

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The astonishing fall-out from the Caribbean bribesfest that has sent FIFA into turmoil includes allegations CONCACAF ringmaster Jack Warner benefited through his family travel agency’s involvement.

The report compiled by Chicago lawyer Jack Collins for whistleblower Chuck Blazer on the cash-for-votes scandal at a Caribbean Football Union meeting alleges 50 delegates from 25 associations were told to have refunded travel and accommodation organised through Warner’s Simpaul’s Travel or risk having to pay.



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The astonishing fall-out from the Caribbean bribesfest that has sent FIFA into turmoil includes allegations CONCACAF ringmaster Jack Warner benefited through his family travel agency’s involvement.

The report compiled by Chicago lawyer Jack Collins for whistleblower Chuck Blazer on the cash-for-votes scandal at a Caribbean Football Union meeting alleges 50 delegates from 25 associations were told to have refunded travel and accommodation organised through Warner’s Simpaul’s Travel or risk having to pay.

 What, me? Jack Warner's own name has been flagged up in the reports by a US lawyer into FIFA corruption
    More from Charles Sale...  Charles Sale: Bernstein fails to show United front 29/05/11   Charles Sale: Platini's meddling poses a problem for United ahead of Champions League final 28/05/11   Charles Sale: Evidence lacking for Lord Triesman's allegations against FIFA 27/05/11   Charles Sale: Man United can't lose as brand booms 25/05/11   Charles Sale: Usmanov stirs the stock pot in Arsenal power battle 24/05/11   Charles Sale: England manager Capello bangs the drum for Wilshere 23/05/11   CHARLES SALE: FA warn Rooney over tweet threat 20/05/11   FA raise stakes in FIFA bribes probe as relations are further strained 20/05/11   VIEW FULL ARCHIVE   The cost of the two day-event at the Hyatt Regency in Port of Spain, Trinidad, bankrolled by Mohamed Bin Hammam, was understood to be $7,000 per delegate. This would total a tidy marked-up $350,000 payment to Simpaul’s, who have been caught up in numerous other  controversies involving Warner.

The witness statement in the Blazer file that alleged Simpaul’s had provided her airline came from Sonia Bien-Aime, secretary general of the Turks and Caicos Islands Football Association.

And Warner’s official CFU invitation sent to members said: ‘Please be advised that should you make your own travel arrangements, I  cannot guarantee reimbursement of the cost.’

Warner said yesterday: ‘Bin Hammam wired $260,000 to pay for accommodation, air fares, this is the norm.’ But Bin Hammam, who published his own witness statement to the ethics committee, said he had paid $360,000, leaving a six-figure sum unaccounted for or with Simpaul’s.



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Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: kev on May 30, 2011, 11:44:45 PM
Well yes, look thing!!!   :o :o   According to Lasana, knives in Switzerland selling for top dollars right now!!!....

Here what does kill me bout Jack, he crying that he was treated unfairly by FIFA's ethics committee but he tried every dirty trick in the book to deny the players they money he promised them......steups!!

If is one thing Jack, this new round of bacchanal providing good entertainment.....

Ah love it!!  (C) Andre Samuel

It's a joke because all of his accusations against others incriminate himself. If Blatter giving 1M in Goal money was wrong, then Jack wrong for taking it.

Also he questioning the procedure of the same Kangaroo Court that has been generous to him in the past.

The stuff about Blazer is a weak reach because I sure it was a matter where Blazer was n court on his (Concacaf's) behalf.

FIFA may not even have to do much more to hang Jack's Jack after all!
It's looks like Jack is quite capable of doing it to himself if he continues to open his mouth without thinking things thru properly as he has been doing!  :-[

The problem with that is you think normal rules apply here and applying that logic.  At this moment normal logic or justice don't apply to FIFA and haven't for quite sometime.  Over the past couple of years their actions / responses have increasing become more blatant/absurb/farcical or down right unbelievable depending upon which adjective you want to put on it.

For me this is about money and power and its a case of "If I can't have it your not or I'll bring the whole lot down".  They are so confident and full of themselves that it will be "business as usual" after this that they don't even care the press will pick up on everything or that they have an audience, because to them the press and audience don't really matter, they simply don't have a vote. This could be no more evident than Blatter's press conference which is a classic, you simply don't treat the international press like that without any payback.

It is only a matter of when not if FIFA has it house cleaned for it, maybe this is the tipping point maybe not.  But the likelyhood is that when it does happen the poorer football nations will suffer due to the perception or otherwise of the "tainted funding" recieved in the past and how the present voting system has helped.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: davyjenny1 on May 31, 2011, 12:16:14 AM
Well I don't have to say:

Just click below:

http://goal.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/05/30/the-forces-that-can-change-fifa/
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on May 31, 2011, 01:18:43 AM
This could be no more evident than Blatter's press conference which is a classic, you simply don't treat the international press like that without any payback.

It is only a matter of when not if FIFA has it house cleaned for it, maybe this is the tipping point maybe not.  But the likelyhood is that when it does happen the poorer football nations will suffer due to the perception or otherwise of the "tainted funding" recieved in the past and how the present voting system has helped.

I honestly think this will be Blatter's downfall, the degree of pomposity was just astounding... what with the talk of "this is FIFA house" and "you cannot question me, I am the President of FIFA".  You'd think the press was changing money in St. Peter's Basilica, and questioning Christ himself.  It would be funny if he wasn't being so dead serious.  John Cleese, Eric Idle and the rest of the Monty Python crew could not have written a more farcical script.  Under different circumstances you'd half expect him to look into the camera at the end and say "live from Zurich, this is Saturday Night!".
Title: Re: Chuck Blazer and Jack...
Post by: truetrini on May 31, 2011, 01:25:18 AM
NOW IS THE TIME:
HOW WE ARE THE LEADERS WE ARE LOOKING FOR IN WORLD FOOTBALL
By Mel Brennan

http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=200808523296953
---
“Soccer is not just what you see on the field.
It  is a human activity that never sleeps, that absorbs the time and energy  and
the thoughts of millions of people all over the world.  It is a  world within a
world with its own leaders, its own one hundred years of  history, heroes,
triumphs and tragedies.  A world no better and no worse  than the one we live
in, full of admirable and shameful things, of  sublime and sordid moments, of
honorable and disreputable people…"
-    Paul Gardner

"A fan?  I don't need you to be a f**king fan; I need you to be a businessman. 
You - you ARE a capitalist, aren't you?"
-    FIFA Executive Chuck Blazer, to the author, CONCACAF Gold Cup Downtown
Marriott, Los Angeles 2002

Part One: 40 Years of Women with Cold Feet

Given  the steady doses of light that have been recently shone on FIFA’s  secret
world, more and more people are seriously concerning themselves  with how the
world’s most popular and prolific sport is being led.  Some  are reacting with a
recalcitrant pessimism – “What else did you  expect?” – while others are
honestly, entirely shocked.

I see a new way forward.  And it’s the answer to the questions “Who will lead?”
and “Leadership toward what end?”

Nine  days into my tenure as Head of Special Projects for CONCACAF (UEFA’s 
equivalent in the Caribbean, North and Central America) my boss –  everyone’s
boss – invited me to dinner.

Charles Gordon  “Chuck” Blazer, the only multinational General Secretary of a 
representative body the size of CONCACAF who is also simultaneously the 
Treasurer, had always been possessed of the ability to make everyone he  came
across feel pretty good – about themselves and about him.  And why  not?  A guy
who actively reminds one of Santa Claus, Chuck’s gruff  voice, authentic smile
and charismatic charm can take hold of a room,  and not let go until he’s
connected with everyone in it.  Hell, the  first thing this rotund man told me
about himself was that he wanted to  write a book called “40 Years of Women with
Cold Feet,” an expose of  four decades of female efforts to snuggle cold toes
under the enticingly  warm folds of his prodigious gut.

And I still wanted to work in world football.  More than anything.

Chuck  was, and is, a convincer, a consensus-maker.  A political set of  skills,
for a political job.  I looked forward to learning some of those  skills, and
others I didn’t have, working in an environment that on the  one hand was, no
doubt, a dream job; on the other, it was one I  probably didn’t deserve to
enjoy.

Of course, I love world  football; I’ve been a PSG and George Weah fan since the
days of that  COMMODORE sponsorship, grew up on “Soccer Made in Germany” on our
local  public television station, played the sport from age six onward, and am a 
founding member of FC United of Manchester, the  MyFootballClub/Ebbsfleet United
effort, and even found myself one of the  floating managers you could select to
support your club-building  efforts in Football Manager 2005.

But these aren’t the bonifides that ought be required to execute football
governance at the highest level, are they?

If  CONCACAF were to draw upon the footballing brain trust found within the  40
nations it governs, who, down the hall and across from me in the  rareified air
of our Trump Tower New York City offices would still  qualify to work there? 
Not many, and certainly not me.  I was there  because I begged to be there, and
I thought that Chuck saw some  potential in me to become my preconceived notion
of what a sport  administrator and leader should be.

On this night, I would  find out differently.  I would find out where football’s
money goes,  and discover what was the beginning of my falling deeply OUT of
love  with world football’s leadership.

Mia Kamran, Chuck’s IT  assistant, I soon learned, would join us for dinner.  We
would be going  somewhere to fellowship and bond as a team, she said, as well as
watch  the US Men’s National Team in World Cup Qualifying against Costa Rica.
What a way to start this dream gig, I thought to myself.

Our  extended limo driver was singer Gloria Gaynor’s brother, Arthur, and, 
although initially suspicious of my (and probably anyone’s) claims to  know her,
we soon settled into a friendly discussion about my  experiences with Gloria,
her support of my father’s sister in her time  of need, our fellowship at
Thanksgiving.
Chuck interrupted with  the slightly annoyed look and tone of a man used to
being the center of  attention who was finding the conversation drifting away
from his  intents, his control.

“Know where we’re headed?” Chuck asked me conspiratorially.  “Scores.”  He
smiled.  “Could be a long night,” he added lightly.

I  knew the strip club – it’s a part of Manhattan culture as much as  anything
else – but had never been; what I became intimately aware of  was Chuck’s focus
on my reaction to this news.  Somehow I knew that how I  responded to where we
were headed meant much to this man.

I pulled out my phone.  I dialed my wife.

“You need to check with your wife?” Chuck bellowed, bemused.

“I  need to let her know it could be a long night, like to you said,” I  said
cautiously.  Chuck, seemingly somehow disappointed, dismissed my  response,
moving on to engage Mia, sitting opposite me in the limo.

---

“Welcome back Mr. Blazer,” the doorman announced, opening the door for Chuck’s
unceremonious exit from the limo.

We  had a whole section to ourselves – Chuck, Mia, myself, and several  other
CONCACAF personnel who would come to comprise what I called The  Menagerie –
collections of ostensible misfits who fit perfectly into  Chuck’s intents for
them as we all inhabited CONCACAF’s weird  space…often, members of The Menagerie
would sit at their workstations  all day, playing Solitaire or falling asleep,
until Chuck beamed down a  message via AOL instant messenger to them from his
apartment in Trump  Tower’s residential section above us, activating them for
some purpose  or another…this is where CONCACAF’s money goes; where the money
that  springs from the love of the game by hundreds of millions goes.  As time 
went on, I was determined NOT to be relegated to this “Team B”; for The 
Menagerie was seen by the minority of folks who actually did work at  CONCACAF
as the price to be paid to be in the good work of world  football governance
under a man like Chuck.  That group was not going to  be me.

But this first night out, as we entered Scores,  all I knew was that, well, this
was different for a first night out with  the boss.

As we inhabited our section, I spent most of my  time talking with Mia –
exploring how she got to CONCACAF (she and  Chuck “found each other online”) as
well as the extent of her IT  knowledge (“I don’t really know much; Chuck let’s
me figure it out”).  Then came the filet mignon and the shoulder massages, both
of which I  have to admit were quite nice.  Oh yes, and the match was on a small 
television mounted in the corner…that too.

When the game,  and the fun and games, were all over, Chuck pulled out something
I had  never seen before.  He handed it to Mia, who handed it to me so I could 
hand it to the waitress/masseuse.

An American Express  Card, with CONCACAF and Blazer’s name on it. But it was a
color I’d  never seen before.  It was black.  This was the AMEX Centurion Card; 
card privileges are invitation-only, granted after extremely strict net  worth,
credit, and spending criteria are met.

“This your  card, Chuck?” I asked, curious.  Chuck ignored me, turned to a 
stripper/dancer he knew, and smiled, whispering something that made her  smile
back.

This card existed on the back of the  aggregated wealth of CONCACAF; the
everyday commitment to football made  by the people of CONCACAF’s forty nations
(and the subsequent investment  television broadcasters and advertisers make in
football to reach those  audiences, and the resultant sales they expect to
garner from those  audiences) made it possible.

And it was in Chuck’s name.  And it just paid for food, strippers/dancers, and
a set of massages.  That’s what the General Secretary and Treasurer of
CONCACAF, the FIFA  Executive from North America, spent the region’s money
on…regularly.

While  Mia Kamran turned out to be Masuda Sultan, a woman who left us after 
September 11th 2001 to support her fractured family in Afghanistan,  executing a
powerful documentary and becoming altogether serious about  her life and
intentions in the process, I stayed, only leaving CONCACAF  some 25 months
later.

Yet the remainder of my time there,  from that night in February 2001 until I
resigned in 2003 was informed,  in many ways, by that night.

Other people’s money, money  meant for investment in football as culture, was
being used for outings  like that night.  Seemingly all the time.

---

Part Two: Black President

When  consultant (“Senior Consultant, you bugger,” I can imagine the man 
correcting me right now) Clive Toye rejected the idea of going himself  to 2002
FIFA World Cup Korea/Japan,  FIFA VP and CONCACAF President Jack  Warner
instructed Chuck Blazer to offer me the opportunity.

"I  told Jack it was a mistake," Chuck told me before I left for Korea. "We 
should be gleaning far more value from this delegation slot than we are  by
giving it to you. But Jack wants you to go."

Surely  Jack, today, regrets that decision.  But throughout my time at CONCACAF 
and with FIFA, Jack played a clear role in what I saw and experienced,  and what
I did not see.

Born Austin Warner, “Jack,” a  nickname almost tailor-made to try to make one
invisible, was how  everyone described him at the CONCACAF offices when I
arrived.  Indeed,  it was Jack, who had major concerns about the lack of black
faces at the  Secretariat in New York, who indirectly played a major role in me
being  hired.

“I love your martial arts background, and you can  do what we’re asking you to
do…but it also doesn’t hurt that you are  African-American,” Chuck said, hiring
me.  “It gets him off of my back  on that front.”

I didn’t care about Chuck bastardized  attempt at Affirmative Action policy; I
was in, and working for, a black  president.  My pride knew no bounds.  I had
led men and women for  organizations and partnerships including Disney/ESPN,
SEGA, Universal  Studios, DreamWorks SKG…and never had I seen anyone of my own
skin color  in a position of determinate power in those organizations (Sidney 
Poitier sat on the Disney board at the time I worked there, and  dialoguing with
him in New York at one of their board meetings was a  powerful experience, but
he didn’t lead there).  Jack was the first.

And  the first disappointment.  Clive wrote all his words, Chuck took all  his
credit, and, at the FIFA Congress, I watched him lie to his  delegates.

The sounds and smells of Namdemun Market making  their way into the Seoul
Hilton, I watched this leader, my leader, tell  this extensive, detailed,
elaborate story about how he was approached  in the middle of the night by (at
that time candidate for FIFA President  himself, and current alleged taker of
bribes) Issa Hayatou and his  entourage, seeking an audience.

And as Jack told his rapt  delegation audience how he stood firm against racial
pressure from that  entourage to vote for the black compatriot, and stood tall
for what was  right, moral and just…voting for Sepp Blatter…his outrage was
palpable,  his indignation on display for all to see.

He received  raucous applause, and, despite claims of independent thinking and
voting  from the NAs (not unlike we’re hearing from Warner sycophants like 
USSF’s Sunil Gulati today), CONCACAF voted as a bloc in the direction  Warner
pointed them.

That night, at one of the many meals the host nation provided free for FIFA
delegates, I explored the day’s events with Chuck.

“Power  speech by Jack, huh?” I launched.  “Shame Hayatou felt that his best 
bet was to play the race card, that he felt his candidacy didn’t stand  on its
own merit.”

“Didn’t happen,” Chuck murmured between bites.

“Sorry?” I responded, confused.

Chuck  chewed, swallowed, then spoke.  “Never happened,” he gruffed at me.  I 
still looked confused.  “That story Jack told?  He made it up.  To get  the
delegates to be outraged that Hayatou would try to manipulate Jack,  and
consequently their vote, he manipulated them, and their vote, with  an elaborate
lie.”

I stared at Chuck, apparently open-mouthed.

“Close  your mouth,” Chuck said, disgustedly.  “If you don’t get that this is 
political life and death, wake up now!”  Chuck went back to eating.

I went to my room.

Under  the door had been slipped a piece of election material from Sepp 
Blatter.  This was 2002, and Blatter’s polished program described how  2002 was
“Halftime” in his ambitions to shape FIFA.  Just give me four  more years, and
I’ll be done, was the intimation.

I tossed it in the trash.

I  knew Blatter, like Warner, Blazer and all the others in the FIFA  Twenty-Four
and throughout the confederations, would never give up  power, never orient
FIFA’s resources toward the interests hopes and  concerns of most people, most
of the time, while looking out for the  most vulnerable.

They would only exercise perfect political power, for the benefit of themselves
and those to whom they owed political favors.

That was it, and that would be all I could expect from the black President and
his compatriots.

The  next day, Jack handed me a check.  “Some additional for you,” Jack  said. 
The check was drawn on the bank of the CFU – the Caribbean  Football Union, a
body in which Jack technically had no power.  How many  $75 dollar checks, for
whatever purpose, were being written by Jack,  who had no fiduciary right to
disburse such funds?  How many dollars  went from being resources for youth in
the region to being payoffs in  political dramas for Jack, his family and his
cronies?
-----

Part Three: We Can Do Better

We CAN do better.  And we can do better right now.  And now is the time.

Time  for a governing body that values historic commitments to football while 
being inclusive of everyone’s intents.  Now is the time for a  governance
framework that  doesn’t equate the investment in football of  Turks and Caicos
Islands with that of France, England, Germany, Spain,  Brazil or Argentina (let
alone Australia, Japan, or Korea), but forever  affirms the equity of value of
the human beings in those spaces and  places.  A governing body that can be
possessed of more than one idea at  a time, and can reflect greatness, and not
baseness, in those ideas.

We can have that right now.  And now is the time.

Now  is the time for a governing body perfectly, cyber-spatially  transparent;
one where anyone with an interest in football can go online  and see, in
real-time, where the investment in football goes, and,  crucially, can offer up
a say on that distribution.

A  governing body made up of national associations themselves comprised of 
representatives voted in by the people.  All the people.

A  governing body that organizes itself in regional ways that  authentically
distribute power.  The Americas, Asia/Oceania, Europe and  Africa.  Four
common-sense confederations, with about 50 nations per  region.  A Cup of
Nations that celebrates eight nations per region at  that tournament, the
ostensible pinnacle of international power and  performance football.

A governing body that sees power and  performance football as only one of two
necessary pillars of football  culture, the other being the pleasure and
participation forms of the  sport that the other 98% of the world experience.  A
governing body with  something to say about the vitality and health aspects of
enjoying  something throughout the life cycle, and not just in ways that declare 
one retired at 35.  A governing body which celebrates fair play more  than just
winning at any cost, and institutionalizes its competitions  with that in mind.

A governing body reflective of the  mosaic of diversity found in the commitments
to the game.  That is, a  governing body that of course includes women, the
differently-abled, the  poor and working poor and all kinds of others in its
determinations.  A  world, represented, for the world’s game.

A governing body that does more to redress racism than Aparthied opportunism and
celebrity press releases every six months.

A governing body fully, authentically democratic.  By us.  For us.

We  can do that right now, and leave these clowns behind.  We don’t have to  try
to “fix” FIFA; the thing that these men fear more than anything  else is that
you and I will wake up one day and realize that not one of  us needs FIFA, as
FIFA, at all.
We can simply walk away from these “leaders.”

We are the leaders we are looking for.


Mel  Brennan is formerly a Visiting Lecturer in the Department of  Kinesiology
at Towson University (MD, USA) and is currently a District  Executive Center
Director for a major community health and well-being  organization. Mel's
doctoral work took place at the University of  Stirling, Scotland UK, with a
focus on human kinetics, human rights and  Olympiads. He is co-author, with
Prof. Grant Jarvie and Dr. Tony Hwang,  of Sport, Revolution and the Beijing
Olympics, from Berg (2007). He is  also author of The Apprentice: Tragicomic
Times Among the Men Running -  and Ruining - World Football.  As the
highest-ranked African-American in  the history of world football's governance,
Mel has been interviewed by  German, Dutch and British television and radio and
newspapers  concerning global sport governance and corruption, and has written 
several articles exploring a better, healthier role for sport in  democratic
societies. Prior to his work in sport, Mel was GM and AGM for  production and
operations at several location-based entertainment  sites, with organizations
and partnerships such as Sega, DreamWorks SKG,  Universal Studios, WWE and the
Walt Disney Company/ESPN.
Title: Roberts: Awesome impact on local football
Post by: Tallman on May 31, 2011, 04:31:57 AM
Roberts: Awesome impact on local football
By Aabida Allaham (T&T Express)


SPORT and Youth Affairs Minister Anil Roberts says if Works and Transport Minister Jack Warner is found guilty by the FIFA ethics committee, it would have a negative impact on local football.

"Warner has been instrumental in not only moving the Concacaf region up to world prominence but also enhancing Trinidad and Tobago's opportunity to succeed at the world's sphere, so any adverse finding against Minister Warner will definitely have an impact on football here in Trinidad and Tobago," he said during a telephone interview yesterday.

He said while he was not going to jump to conclusions about Warner's innocence as FIFA vice-president, he was going to monitor the situation very closely because "it could have some very awesome impacts, not only on sport in Trinidad and Tobago but football on the whole".

Roberts said there were people comparing the controversy surrounding Warner to that of former senator Mary King, but he insisted it was not the same.

"I think there is no real comparison because in that situation, King admitted on three points that she had erred," he said.

Asked whether he thought Warner should continue to hold the posts of FIFA vice-president and Works Minister, Roberts said he saw no problem with it.

"Yes, the stress can have an impact on you, but he has become accustomed to this; on the other hand, we must monitor and wait for all the facts to come out because right now, I repeat, there are no facts, there are only allegations," he said.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Brownsugar on May 31, 2011, 05:14:09 AM
As an side, it is amazing to me that a man who has spent so much time in the public eye, well travelled, and supposedly global has so much trouble articulating himself to the point where he delivers a lucid message.  Reminds of "de ticket below, de bogus ticket" speech from 1989



wow.. u remember dat too..   :beermug:

What speech??  ah miss dat one apparently. Back then ah wasn't paying Jack much thought and all I remember is that people still have tickets for that match but didn't get in.....is from then ah know Jack was a crook but ah cyar remember this speech....
Title: Re: Roberts: Awesome impact on local football
Post by: Brownsugar on May 31, 2011, 05:16:50 AM
Asked whether he thought Warner should continue to hold the posts of FIFA vice-president and Works Minister, Roberts said he saw no problem with it.

aaaaahhhhh boy Anil, yuh eh disappoint at all.  Hear what jokey bout this eh, the COP in a statement say he should step aside, but the man who running to lead the party say he eh see no problem with the situation.....ah guess Anil running a campaign of "new politics"??   ::)

Whey de COP people on this forum......talk to me folks, all yuh really serious about electing this man as leader??   ??? :-\
Title: Re: Roberts: Awesome impact on local football
Post by: royal on May 31, 2011, 05:33:01 AM
Asked whether he thought Warner should continue to hold the posts of FIFA vice-president and Works Minister, Roberts said he saw no problem with it.

aaaaahhhhh boy Anil, yuh eh disappoint at all.  Hear what jokey bout this eh, the COP in a statement say he should step aside, but the man who running to lead the party say he eh see no problem with the situation.....ah guess Anil running a campaign of "new politics"??   ::)

Whey de COP people on this forum......talk to me folks, all yuh really serious about electing this man as leader??   ??? :-\


Anil is de new Hulsie Bhaggan......... a renegade........ doing his own ting
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: JDB on May 31, 2011, 05:51:58 AM
This could be no more evident than Blatter's press conference which is a classic, you simply don't treat the international press like that without any payback.

It is only a matter of when not if FIFA has it house cleaned for it, maybe this is the tipping point maybe not.  But the likelyhood is that when it does happen the poorer football nations will suffer due to the perception or otherwise of the "tainted funding" recieved in the past and how the present voting system has helped.

I honestly think this will be Blatter's downfall, the degree of pomposity was just astounding... what with the talk of "this is FIFA house" and "you cannot question me, I am the President of FIFA".  You'd think the press was changing money in St. Peter's Basilica, and questioning Christ himself.  It would be funny if he wasn't being so dead serious.  John Cleese, Eric Idle and the rest of the Monty Python crew could not have written a more farcical script.  Under different circumstances you'd half expect him to look into the camera at the end and say "live from Zurich, this is Saturday Night!".

Yeah I now read it and as much as we like to beat Jack, Blatter prove that he is the grand puba of boldfaced contempt. It almost making Jack a sympathetic figure, almost.

That interview was shocking.

Most of us here does dismiss all FIFA bobol as par for the course because we so accustom to Jack but I wonder how much effect this will have on more casual observers in the general public. People who hear talk about FIFA but never pay attention. For example, I never paid attention to the Olympic bidding process even at the height of their scandal yet they were forced to make changes.

The big difference I could see is that although FIFA has a higher profile the Olympics, has different stakeholders, specifically the US who regularly bids to host and is the biggest rights purchaser. They must have been forced into action.

In FIFA the biggest stakeholder is UEFA and they well in cahoots, and the others just happy to get money kicked back to them every year. Just yesterday I hear Beckenbauer fully supporting Bladder and Platini saying nothing. Of course Germany get World Cups in 74 and 2006 (while England can't get one since 1966) and France get 1998 so Sepp done buy their support/silence.

It will be interesting to see if them men start getting pressure from their home nations.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Zeppo on May 31, 2011, 06:59:10 AM
Jack Warner's travel company arranged flights for Fifa delegates to meeting where alleged bribes took place (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/international/8547515/Jack-Warners-travel-company-arranged-flights-for-Fifa-delegates-to-meeting-where-alleged-bribes-took-place.html)
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on May 31, 2011, 07:08:21 AM
Jack Warner's travel company arranged flights for Fifa delegates to meeting where alleged bribes took place (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/international/8547515/Jack-Warners-travel-company-arranged-flights-for-Fifa-delegates-to-meeting-where-alleged-bribes-took-place.html)

Allegedly, CFU members were told if they did not book through SIMPAUL, they would not receive a refund. In Bin Hammans report to Ethics Committee there was apparently $100,000 difference between what he paid to Warner and the actual cost!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: pecan on May 31, 2011, 09:02:03 AM
this has gone from the realm of embarrassment to the realm of ???

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/may/31/fifa-in-crisis-live-blog



 ****

" In what has to be the most hilarious development so far (in an admittedly highly competitive and crowded field) Jack Warner has insisted to the Caribbean Football Union that their Fifa delegates must vote for Sepp Blatter in tomorrow's presidential decider (coronation). If you need reminding this is the same Sepp who must be stopped, according to Warner, and who announced JW's suspension following Chuck Blazer's allegations of bribery.


Here's the line from Sb from Reuters:

    Suspended CONCACAF president Jack Warner wrote to members of the Caribbean Football Union on Tuesday reminding them that they should vote for incumbent Sepp Blatter in FIFA's presidential election.
    Warner, who was provisionally suspended on Sunday pending an ethics committee investigation into allegations of bribery, asked Caribbean Football Union members not to protest against his suspension during the FIFA congress.

***

and in the latest development Chuck Blazer is claiming that Warner has violated the Fifa ban. 
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: ZANDOLIE on May 31, 2011, 09:39:45 AM
this has gone from the realm of embarrassment to the realm of ???

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/may/31/fifa-in-crisis-live-blog



 ****

" In what has to be the most hilarious development so far (in an admittedly highly competitive and crowded field) Jack Warner has insisted to the Caribbean Football Union that their Fifa delegates must vote for Sepp Blatter in tomorrow's presidential decider (coronation). If you need reminding this is the same Sepp who must be stopped, according to Warner, and who announced JW's suspension following Chuck Blazer's allegations of bribery.


Here's the line from Sb from Reuters:

    Suspended CONCACAF president Jack Warner wrote to members of the Caribbean Football Union on Tuesday reminding them that they should vote for incumbent Sepp Blatter in FIFA's presidential election.
    Warner, who was provisionally suspended on Sunday pending an ethics committee investigation into allegations of bribery, asked Caribbean Football Union members not to protest against his suspension during the FIFA congress.

***

and in the latest development Chuck Blazer is claiming that Warner has violated the Fifa ban. 

I always thought Jack would  still be clinging to power and gradually ride out into the sunset while controlling the TTFF behind the scenes for years to come. After being virtually untouchable for so long who would have thought he would become the global poster boy for inept circus clown. Justice being served, and he eating his come-uppence right in front the entire world.

Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: pecan on May 31, 2011, 09:52:57 AM


I always thought Jack would  still be clinging to power and gradually ride out into the sunset while controlling the TTFF behind the scenes for years to come. After being virtually untouchable for so long who would have thought he would become the global poster boy for inept circus clown. Justice being served, and he eating his come-uppence right in front the entire world.




I am not sure what this letter does for his reputation other than coming across as a fool IMO.

Warner this afternoon made public a letter he had written to the 25 members of the Caribbean Football Union - an action in itself that could be a breach of this suspension - urging them to vote for Sepp Blatter in tomorrow's election and make no protest.


The letter states: "I, Jack Warner, a servant and believer in the principles of this beautiful game do humbly besiege you, my brothers and sisters from the Caribbean Football Union to desist from initiating any protest action at tomorrow's FIFA Congress.
"I know many of you are hurting and it is only human nature that you would want to demonstrate your anger but despite all we must not fuel a fire set by others to incinerate all that we strive for.
"At our last meeting we agreed as a union to support the incumbent Joseph Sepp Blatter in his quest to regain the presidency. I wish to assure you nothing has changed - our mandate was set then and despite it all we must fulfil it.
"The battles I have fought over the last week are my burdens to bear; my shoulders are broad and skin is insulated to the verbal attacks I am subjected to daily. This is now my battle. I am humbled by all the support I continue to receive. Let us not be detracted for your duty is to football."
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: elan on May 31, 2011, 10:11:25 AM
this has gone from the realm of embarrassment to the realm of ???

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/may/31/fifa-in-crisis-live-blog



 ****

" In what has to be the most hilarious development so far (in an admittedly highly competitive and crowded field) Jack Warner has insisted to the Caribbean Football Union that their Fifa delegates must vote for Sepp Blatter in tomorrow's presidential decider (coronation). If you need reminding this is the same Sepp who must be stopped, according to Warner, and who announced JW's suspension following Chuck Blazer's allegations of bribery.


Here's the line from Sb from Reuters:

    Suspended CONCACAF president Jack Warner wrote to members of the Caribbean Football Union on Tuesday reminding them that they should vote for incumbent Sepp Blatter in FIFA's presidential election.
    Warner, who was provisionally suspended on Sunday pending an ethics committee investigation into allegations of bribery, asked Caribbean Football Union members not to protest against his suspension during the FIFA congress.

***

and in the latest development Chuck Blazer is claiming that Warner has violated the Fifa ban. 

The Tsunami turn out to be not even ah piss in ah pot.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 31, 2011, 10:15:02 AM
The USSF is serious about getting Jack out.  Blazer is not backing down at all!  He on Jack trail like Matelot.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Touches on May 31, 2011, 10:31:23 AM
Wha bout...if they was always going to vote for Sepp.

Just trying to MILK Bin Hamman for all he have and take his gifts.

Jack is the man who had to orchestrate it ....but Blazer, Puerto Rico, Turks and Caicos and Bahamas ent get the memo to take the money and hush they arse.

Why yuh feel Lisle Austin want Blazer to explain...is cause he shit up the plan.

End of the day...Sepp get his last 4 yrs...ride out into the sunset.

Bin Hamman feel he have Concacaf support...next election he look to share the wealth when he win and share out some of the transportable Quatar stadiums after the WC. Concacaf feels good, justifies their .5 place spot and gets the benefit of a few goal projects.

Everybody happy...all pockets fat...and ting in order.

Dat was d original plan.

Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: KND2 on May 31, 2011, 10:32:32 AM
Jack in this game long time.

And everybody know this is no news.

Jack get in charge by promising favors/ bribery of all the west indian nations in the first place.
So how this come to be news

Fifa on the whole corrupt and Jack is the chief

Why else would they run and vote on 2-3 world cups all at the same time. It is to maximize the money.

Jack know he time coming soon and Blatter know he was leaving so they look to get all they could get before the day come.

All these men just greedy beyond everyday comprehension.

I hope FIFA collapse and something else form up

Let we look to start something and maybe we could charge a registration fee
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: JDB on May 31, 2011, 11:01:19 AM
I am not sure what this letter does for his reputation other than coming across as a fool IMO.

Warner this afternoon made public a letter he had written to the 25 members of the Caribbean Football Union - an action in itself that could be a breach of this suspension - urging them to vote for Sepp Blatter in tomorrow's election and make no protest.


The letter states: "I, Jack Warner, a servant and believer in the principles of this beautiful game do humbly besiege you, my brothers and sisters from the Caribbean Football Union to desist from initiating any protest action at tomorrow's FIFA Congress.
"I know many of you are hurting and it is only human nature that you would want to demonstrate your anger but despite all we must not fuel a fire set by others to incinerate all that we strive for.
"At our last meeting we agreed as a union to support the incumbent Joseph Sepp Blatter in his quest to regain the presidency. I wish to assure you nothing has changed - our mandate was set then and despite it all we must fulfil it.
"The battles I have fought over the last week are my burdens to bear; my shoulders are broad and skin is insulated to the verbal attacks I am subjected to daily. This is now my battle. I am humbled by all the support I continue to receive. Let us not be detracted for your duty is to football."



Jack really feel any CFU rep was going to bat for him after he get de-clawed? Like he forget FIFA representation is about following the leader and he ent the leader no more.

The whole FIFA thing distastefull intrute and although these developments delightful the sobering thought is that nothing will change. Even if Sepp go the next man will be just as bad because all them who reach the top corrupt by everyday standards. Is only in FIFA where that kinda horse trading and favour granting is considered business as usual.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: palos on May 31, 2011, 11:10:00 AM
Wha bout...if they was always going to vote for Sepp.

Just trying to MILK Bin Hamman for all he have and take his gifts.

Jack is the man who had to orchestrate it ....but Blazer, Puerto Rico, Turks and Caicos and Bahamas ent get the memo to take the money and hush they arse.

Why yuh feel Lisle Austin want Blazer to explain...is cause he shit up the plan.

End of the day...Sepp get his last 4 yrs...ride out into the sunset.

Bin Hamman feel he have Concacaf support...next election he look to share the wealth when he win and share out some of the transportable Quatar stadiums after the WC. Concacaf feels good, justifies their .5 place spot and gets the benefit of a few goal projects.

Everybody happy...all pockets fat...and ting in order.

Dat was d original plan.



That sound about right.

Except.....dem fellas doh lapse on dem kinda "memos"

Ah tink wha happen is dat Jack is de one get played.

That "MAY" have been the original plan....but Blatter know his reelection wouldnt be a shoo in.....given the image problems FIFA has, he needed to run a campaign that could rally the forces.  And what better way to do that than to run on a campaign of cleaning up FIFA's image by stamping out corruption?  That would be his legacy.  But for the plan to wuk, they needed a fall guy.  A big enough fish to make it APPEAR that they serious.

Guess who?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: weary1969 on May 31, 2011, 11:13:24 AM
Wha bout...if they was always going to vote for Sepp.

Just trying to MILK Bin Hamman for all he have and take his gifts.

Jack is the man who had to orchestrate it ....but Blazer, Puerto Rico, Turks and Caicos and Bahamas ent get the memo to take the money and hush they arse.

Why yuh feel Lisle Austin want Blazer to explain...is cause he shit up the plan.

End of the day...Sepp get his last 4 yrs...ride out into the sunset.

Bin Hamman feel he have Concacaf support...next election he look to share the wealth when he win and share out some of the transportable Quatar stadiums after the WC. Concacaf feels good, justifies their .5 place spot and gets the benefit of a few goal projects.

Everybody happy...all pockets fat...and ting in order.

Dat was d original plan.



That sound about right.

Except.....dem fellas doh lapse on dem kinda "memos"

Ah tink wha happen is dat Jack is de one get played.

That "MAY" have been the original plan....but Blatter know his reelection wouldnt be a shoo in.....given the image problems FIFA has, he needed to run a campaign that could rally the forces.  And what better way to do that than to run on a campaign of cleaning up FIFA's image by stamping out corruption?  That would be his legacy.  But for the plan to wuk, they needed a fall guy.  A big enough fish to make it APPEAR that they serious.

Guess who?

Lee Majors aka d 6 millin dollar man?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: ZANDOLIE on May 31, 2011, 11:34:23 AM

 but despite all we must not fuel a fire set by others to incinerate all that we strive for



  :rotfl: Language boy! A scintillating ca-ca-phony of purple prose. Jack striving for Shakespearean heights and end up channelling Harlequin Romance. He must be hire diamond trim to write he speeches
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Dutty on May 31, 2011, 11:55:36 AM
[. Jack striving for Shakespearean heights and end up channelling Harlequin Romance.
:D


De Funny ting is ah hearin real allegations of Qatar buy dey world cup....but nobody mentionin russia.

Russia get dey own legit? or dey fraid putin poison some people if he country name get call
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: royal on May 31, 2011, 11:57:42 AM
this has gone from the realm of embarrassment to the realm of ???

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/may/31/fifa-in-crisis-live-blog



 ****

" In what has to be the most hilarious development so far (in an admittedly highly competitive and crowded field) Jack Warner has insisted to the Caribbean Football Union that their Fifa delegates must vote for Sepp Blatter in tomorrow's presidential decider (coronation). If you need reminding this is the same Sepp who must be stopped, according to Warner, and who announced JW's suspension following Chuck Blazer's allegations of bribery.


Here's the line from Sb from Reuters:

    Suspended CONCACAF president Jack Warner wrote to members of the Caribbean Football Union on Tuesday reminding them that they should vote for incumbent Sepp Blatter in FIFA's presidential election.
    Warner, who was provisionally suspended on Sunday pending an ethics committee investigation into allegations of bribery, asked Caribbean Football Union members not to protest against his suspension during the FIFA congress.

***

and in the latest development Chuck Blazer is claiming that Warner has violated the Fifa ban. 



Jack does look like a real mad man when backed up into a corner
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: pecan on May 31, 2011, 12:19:46 PM
[. Jack striving for Shakespearean heights and end up channelling Harlequin Romance.
:D


De Funny ting is ah hearin real allegations of Qatar buy dey world cup....but nobody mentionin russia.

Russia get dey own legit? or dey fraid putin poison some people if he country name get call

nah, dey more interested in Tennis

Mysterious posters of Putin, Medvedev in tennis whites to be removed

(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h104/pecan6/getimageaspx.jpg)

National Post May 31, 2011
The Russian government ordered the removal Monday of mysterious posters depicting the country’s rulers in matching tennis shorts. Billboards with the logo of the department store TsUM were on display in central Moscow. They show President Dmitry Medvedev holding a tennis racket, while Prime Minister Vladimir Putin is empty-handed. The store said it had nothing to do with the ads. The posters include the address of the website Monolog.tv. The poster’s creator called them “street art … I took the two most famous people in our country ... who are completely isolated from the world of fashion and show business,” the artist wrote.


Sorry Mods ... could not resist Putin this here  :angel:

Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on May 31, 2011, 12:28:41 PM
Wha bout...if they was always going to vote for Sepp.

Just trying to MILK Bin Hamman for all he have and take his gifts.

Jack is the man who had to orchestrate it ....but Blazer, Puerto Rico, Turks and Caicos and Bahamas ent get the memo to take the money and hush they arse.

Why yuh feel Lisle Austin want Blazer to explain...is cause he shit up the plan.

End of the day...Sepp get his last 4 yrs...ride out into the sunset.

Bin Hamman feel he have Concacaf support...next election he look to share the wealth when he win and share out some of the transportable Quatar stadiums after the WC. Concacaf feels good, justifies their .5 place spot and gets the benefit of a few goal projects.

Everybody happy...all pockets fat...and ting in order.

Dat was d original plan.



That sound about right.

Except.....dem fellas doh lapse on dem kinda "memos"

Ah tink wha happen is dat Jack is de one get played.

That "MAY" have been the original plan....but Blatter know his reelection wouldnt be a shoo in.....given the image problems FIFA has, he needed to run a campaign that could rally the forces.  And what better way to do that than to run on a campaign of cleaning up FIFA's image by stamping out corruption?  That would be his legacy.  But for the plan to wuk, they needed a fall guy.  A big enough fish to make it APPEAR that they serious.

Guess who?

 :thumbsup:
Dais it right they!! Jack get played big time!!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: King Deese on May 31, 2011, 12:40:49 PM
Chicken has come home to roost.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: daryn on May 31, 2011, 01:25:03 PM



Jack really feel any CFU rep was going to bat for him after he get de-clawed? Like he forget FIFA representation is about following the leader and he ent the leader no more.

I don't think this letter is about that. It have 3 possibilities for the medium term 1) Sepp back in charge and Jack in exile 2) all of them get kicked out 3) Sepp back in power and Jack get forgiven. As unlikely as the last option is it's the only way Jack could still be in the mix when the dust settles. I think when the fight had just start he had delusions that he coulda push out Blatter.

The charge that Jack on the hook for is for bribing people to vote against Blatter. I think this is just an attempt to discredit that charge.

the real tragedy is that 208 FAs couldn't come up with a better cast of characters to choose from.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Dutty on May 31, 2011, 02:07:39 PM
Chicken has come home to roost.

after reading the latest letter to the CFU

Look like de chicken climb in ah red and white box wit medium fries
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Blue on May 31, 2011, 02:16:05 PM
[. Jack striving for Shakespearean heights and end up channelling Harlequin Romance.
:D


De Funny ting is ah hearin real allegations of Qatar buy dey world cup....but nobody mentionin russia.

Russia get dey own legit? or dey fraid putin poison some people if he country name get call

*cough* *cough*

Doh expect to hear dat kinda talk from Jack anytime soon  :whistling:


Warner meets Putin in Moscow

http://www.newsday.co.tt/sport/0,129900.html
Thursday, October 28 2010

(http://www.newsday.co.tt/galeria/2010-10-30-10-1A_Jack_Meets_Putin.jpg)

FIFA vice-president Jack Warner met with Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin at the Presidential Office in the Kremlin, Moscow on Tuesday afternoon.

Warner was officially invited to Moscow by Putin since May, but the long-standing football administrator declined at the time due to the Trinidad and Tobago General Election campaign, and his subsequent initiation period as Minister of Works and Transport.
[continued] (http://www.newsday.co.tt/sport/0,129900.html)
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Babalawo on May 31, 2011, 03:17:20 PM
REPORTS OUT OF THE UK:  Jack Warner is now in full support of Sepp Blatter
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: vb on May 31, 2011, 03:26:02 PM
Jack promise a "Tsunami."

Blatter must be stopped.

Now vote for Blatter, all in 24 hours.

I have a feeling dey make up behind closed doors.

Sepp cah afford for Jackos to spill de beans.

jack just had to get put in he place and know not to go against Massah Sepp. Now that he know it and the Asian fella get kick to the side is business as usual. But if JW family could sell tickets illegally and Jack barely get a rap on the knuckles - dey could easilly brush away the $ 1 million Sepp give to CONCACAF.

VB
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on May 31, 2011, 03:30:44 PM
Jack promise a "Tsunami."

Blatter must be stopped.

Now vote for Blatter, all in 24 hours.

I have a feeling dey make up behind closed doors.

Sepp cah afford for Jackos to spill de beans.

jack just had to get put in he place and know not to go against Massah Sepp. Now that he know it and the Asian fella get kick to the side is business as usual. But if JW family could sell tickets illegally and Jack barely get a rap on the knuckles - dey could easilly brush away the $ 1 million Sepp give to CONCACAF.

VB

Are you hoping this is the case or you're simply speculating?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bitter on May 31, 2011, 03:37:06 PM
Jack promise a "Tsunami."

Blatter must be stopped.

Now vote for Blatter, all in 24 hours.

I have a feeling dey make up behind closed doors.

Sepp cah afford for Jackos to spill de beans.

jack just had to get put in he place and know not to go against Massah Sepp. Now that he know it and the Asian fella get kick to the side is business as usual. But if JW family could sell tickets illegally and Jack barely get a rap on the knuckles - dey could easilly brush away the $ 1 million Sepp give to CONCACAF.

VB

Are you hoping this is the case or you're simply speculating?

Everything in this thread beyond the news reports is speculation - and entertaining to a point.

The way I read it: Jack try to stab Sepp in the back, Sepp backup plan Chuck stab Jack in the back, Jack then break out the threat of the nuclear option. (If I going down, all ah we going down, tsunami etc) Everybody now slowly backing away from the Mexican standoff, claiming it was all just a big misunderstanding.

Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bitter on May 31, 2011, 03:48:52 PM
Mohamed Bin Hammam’s anger at campaign of 'dirty tricks' in race for Fifa presidency
By Paul Kelso, Chief Sports Reporter in Zurich10:34PM BST 31 May 2011 Comment
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/international/8549068/Mohamed-Bin-Hammams-anger-at-campaign-of-dirty-tricks-in-race-for-Fifa-presidency.html

Mohamed Bin Hammam stood down from the Fifa presidential election race to prevent Qatar’s successful 2022 World Cup bid campaign facing further investigation by the world governing body, sources close to the process have told Telegraph Sport.

Bin Hammam withdrew his challenge to Fifa president Sepp Blatter early on Sunday, hours before he was suspended pending an investigation into bribery allegations.

His withdrawal means Blatter will stand unopposed in Wednesday's election, but came only after discussions between Bin Hammam and the Emir of Qatar, who backed the bid with huge financial and diplomatic resources.
Qatar’s World Cup bid has been the subject of repeated corruption allegations, all denied. With Bin Hammam himself the subject of allegations that he offered $1 million in bribes to Caribbean football officials, there was concern in Qatar that Blatter and the Fifa executive might use the threat of an investigation into the bid as leverage against Bin Hammam.

Sources in the Bin Hammam camp have told Telegraph Sport that he sacrificed his personal ambition “in the national interest”.

Bin Hammam agreed to step down, but only reluctantly as, according to close confidants, he is deeply angered by what he feels is a politically-motivated campaign of dirty tricks against him.

The concern in Qatar is that the electoral politics could impact on Qatar’s success, which was achieved despite the objections of Blatter and the Fifa general secretary Jérôme Valcke.

Blatter had hoped bin Hammam would withdraw following a meeting between the Fifa president and the Crown Prince of Qatar on May 12. When he did not, Blatter’s camp became increasingly concerned at the president’s prospects of winning a fourth term.

Bin Hammam declined to comment on his reasons for withdrawal, but there is huge anger within his camp at recent events, which they believe are the product of an orchestrated campaign by Blatter and his allies to prevent him contesting the election.

“Blatter’s game plan from the start has been to prevent Mohamed getting to the ballot box on Wednesday,” said a Bin Hammam confidant. “They knew that if he did, then Bin Hammam would probably win, and until this week Blatter did not seem to have a ‘Plan B’.”

In his appeal document filed on Monday, Bin Hammam described the allegations as “paltry and phoney manoeuvre”, claiming: “It is obvious that the allegations have been submitted to discredit Mr Bin Hammam as a candidate for the forthcoming elections to the Fifa presidency.”

The Bin Hammam camp are convinced that he was in a strong position to win, with an estimated 70-80 votes assured in Africa and Asia, bringing the victory target of 105 into sight.

They insist that his popularity is the product of 20 years building relationships and he offered an alternative to Blatter, who they say after 13 years in the post has lost popularity.

With the Concacaf votes crucial to Bin Hammam’s chances of success, they claim that the visit to Trinidad to lobby the Caribbean Football Union was legitimate and justified, and that it could not have been held without the support of Jack Warner, the CFU president.

They also point to the absence of any evidence directly linking Bin Hammam to the $1 million bribe money.
Bin Hammam certainly retains allies within the Fifa executive committee, among them Egypt’s Hany Abu Rida and Jacques Anouma, of Ivory Coast, who have spent time with him at the Baur Au Lac Hotel, in Zurich, this week.

Blatter has denied any involvement in orchestrating the allegations against Bin Hammam, describing them as “ludicrous and completely reprehensible”.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bitter on May 31, 2011, 04:02:01 PM
The warlordism that undermines football
By Mihir Bose
Published: May 31 2011 21:39 | Last updated: May 31 2011 21:39
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3a813c9c-8bb7-11e0-a725-00144feab49a.html#axzz1NyBVYHZ4

Fifa struts about on the world stage as if it is the Vatican of sports – a nation state that does not have territory or an army, but one that brooks little questioning of its authority and which through football can reach places no one else can. Its problem is that unlike the Church of Rome, Fifa has never acquired moral authority. And there is no evidence that, despite facing its gravest crisis, Fifa is prepared to accept that its moral standards may be deficient.

Instead, it continues to insist it is so unique it is answerable only to its own members, or the “football family”, to use Fifa’s favourite phrase. Like the sort of extended family that has gone out of fashion even on the Indian subcontinent, it bristles at the very thought that non-family members may have any right to pry into its affairs, let alone say how it must behave.


This was most evident on Monday night in Zurich as Fifa’s president Sepp Blatter addressed a press conference. Just over 24 hours earlier the organisation’s ethics committee had cleared him of wrongdoing in an alleged corruption scandal but suspended two members of its executive committee: Jack Warner, Fifa’s vice-president from Trinidad and the Qatari head of the Asian Federation, Mohamed bin Hammam. Mr bin Hammam, who was contesting the presidency against Mr Blatter, also withdrew from the race allowing the latter an unopposed fourth term.

Against such a background any head of state might have been expected to sound a note of contrition, or at least make an admission of some responsibility for the mess that has made Fifa the lead item in the world’s media for all the wrong reasons. Yet Mr Blatter presented himself as a man far too busy running his country of football to be bothered by the corruption charges. If all this reinforced his image as the ultimate Teflon politician, his purpose was also to exploit the fact that Fifa is an utterly dysfunctional organisation.

Fifa’s 2010 post-tax profit of $202m makes it a reasonably-sized company, except that Fifa, like a Victorian maiden reacting to the word sex, calls profit ”result”, as if it was a football score. Its accounts run to 116 pages detailing the millions it makes from the World Cup, but give very sparse details of all the other events that lose money, or of what its officials and executives earn. The message Fifa gives is that it likes making money but not the burden that goes with it – the need for transparent corporate governance.

Similarly, the congress, which meets today, has little effective power. Apart from electing a president, it is often a case of the congress proposes and one of Fifa’s many confederations disposes. This was most evident three years ago when Mr Blatter got the congress to approve a rule change that would force clubs to have more homegrown players. Mr Blatter, ever the populist, was responding to demands that the huge increase in foreign players in European clubs was affecting the strength of national teams. Uefa, European football’s governing body, aware it would run foul of the Rome Treaty’s enshrining of the free movement of labour, objected vehemently and the proposals were forgotten.

For all Mr Blatter’s pose as a head of state he cannot even select his own government. The members of Fifa’s executive are elected not by the congress but by the confederations. Some of the elections are curious to say the least. So the British home nations have four seats on Fifa and elect their own Fifa vice-president to the executive. In return for this privilege, the four British home nations are not allowed to vote in the Uefa elections that choose the other seven European Fifa executive members.

This has encouraged the growth in many confederations, of leaders who are more like regional warlords, each with their separate power-bases. In many ways the meeting in Trinidad between Mr bin Hammam and Mr Warner where the alleged vote-buying took place exemplified this syndrome because both were presidents of their confederations at the time. Even if there was no corruption, this was effectively a trade-off. Mr Blatter may now sound like the leader of a fractious coalition government, complaining he cannot choose his own cabinet, but he knows the system cannot change.

Western pressure, particularly if it is translated into action by sponsors, may force Fifa in Zurich to reform. But for real reform the rule of Fifa’s far-flung warlords must end. Mr Warner may be suspended from Fifa but what about his cabinet post in Trinidad where he is also chairman of the prime minister’s party? The Trinidad prime minister, unlike David Cameron, the UK prime minister, is not only not calling for Fifa reform but is keen to keep Mr Warner in his cabinet.

But much as meaningful reform of Fifa is to be desired, it is impossible to achieve. Mr Blatter may pose as the pope of sport, but Fifa lacks a college of cardinals necessary both to control the pope and reform the organisation.

The author is writing a book about the failure of the spirit of sport
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Blue on May 31, 2011, 04:04:01 PM
Jack promise a "Tsunami."

Blatter must be stopped.

Now vote for Blatter, all in 24 hours.

I have a feeling dey make up behind closed doors.

Sepp cah afford for Jackos to spill de beans.

jack just had to get put in he place and know not to go against Massah Sepp. Now that he know it and the Asian fella get kick to the side is business as usual. But if JW family could sell tickets illegally and Jack barely get a rap on the knuckles - dey could easilly brush away the $ 1 million Sepp give to CONCACAF.

VB

Are you hoping this is the case or you're simply speculating?

Everything in this thread beyond the news reports is speculation - and entertaining to a point.

The way I read it: Jack try to stab Sepp in the back, Sepp backup plan Chuck stab Jack in the back, Jack then break out the threat of the nuclear option. (If I going down, all ah we going down, tsunami etc) Everybody now slowly backing away from the Mexican standoff, claiming it was all just a big misunderstanding.



For real, everything in here is speculation, why yuh asking the man if he speculating too  :rotfl:

Anyhow, I dont think Jack was ever gonna stab his boy Sepp  ;D

Jack was doing to MBH de same ting he did to England. And Sepp woulda be cool wid dat, cuz as Jack said in his email, the vote woulda end up with Sepp anyway. And MBH was not really a serious threat to Blatter...even the other Asian/Arab countries had already pledged support to Blatter (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/9341291.stm).

But Chuck came and f**ked things up.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: soccerrama on May 31, 2011, 04:11:16 PM
Breaking News

Lisle Austin has terminated Chuck Blazer's services with immediate effect
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: g on May 31, 2011, 04:24:22 PM
Breaking News

Lisle Austin has terminated Chuck Blazer's services with immediate effect

 :rotfl: Secondary protocol activated
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: DeSoWa on May 31, 2011, 04:27:37 PM
Breaking News

Lisle Austin has terminated Chuck Blazer's services with immediate effect

Source?  ::)

Big Up!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: soccerrama on May 31, 2011, 04:30:57 PM
Breaking News

Lisle Austin has terminated Chuck Blazer's services with immediate effect

Source?  ::)

Big Up!

i95.5fm News at six. It was also said that Blatter & Fifa's General Secretary were informed of same
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: PATRIOT on May 31, 2011, 04:36:48 PM
Breaking News

Lisle Austin has terminated Chuck Blazer's services with immediate effect

Source?  ::)

Big Up!

i95.5fm News at six. It was also said that Blatter & Fifa's General Secretary were informed of same

YES it's true, I just heard it on ietv news as well... JW is also urging the CFU members to vote for Blatter tomorrow... what a joke! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: weary1969 on May 31, 2011, 04:46:37 PM
Breaking News

Lisle Austin has terminated Chuck Blazer's services with immediate effect

Source?  ::)

Big Up!

i95.5fm News at six. It was also said that Blatter & Fifa's General Secretary were informed of same

YES it's true, I just heard it on ietv news as well... JW is also urging the CFU members to vote for Blatter tomorrow... what a joke! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


Yesterday was yesterday...
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Babalawo on May 31, 2011, 04:55:58 PM
I guess Jack have rellllllllllllllllllllll files on Blatter.  He cant get rid of Warner or we will see a real Tsunami
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: giggsy11 on May 31, 2011, 04:58:16 PM
All this drama and not a woman involve!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: ZANDOLIE on May 31, 2011, 05:02:29 PM
Breaking News

Lisle Austin has terminated Chuck Blazer's services with immediate effect



FROM: USA Today online

Acting CONCACAF president says he is firing Blazer

ZURICH (AP) — The acting president of CONCACAF says he has fired Chuck Blazer, whose bribery allegations touched off a corruption scandal that has shaken FIFA.


Lisle Austin says Blazer's conduct was "inexcusable and a gross misconduct of duty and judgment," and that the American is no longer fit to be CONCACAF's secretary general. But it wasn't immediately clear whether Austin has the authority to remove Blazer, also a member of FIFA's executive committee.

A person who answered the phone in Blazer's hotel room early Wednesday said Blazer was "dealing with business" and could not comment.

Blazer accused longtime CONCACAF president Jack Warner and Mohamed bin Hammam of bribery in Wednesday's FIFA presidential election. Warner and bin Hammam have been temporarily suspended.

So how can an acting President fire a FIFA executive committee member?


(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/05/27/article-1391393-0C47ACF000000578-996_634x481.jpg)
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Tallman on May 31, 2011, 05:09:25 PM
Breaking News

Lisle Austin has terminated Chuck Blazer's services with immediate effect

Letter content:
http://www.twitvid.com/UUFTG
http://www.twitvid.com/GEQ2O
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Brownsugar on May 31, 2011, 05:14:32 PM
Nah, ah give up......mih stocks of popcorn run out and all the supermarkets in a 5 mile radius eh have none either......geez and ages, dis is bacchanal!!!!   :o :o
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: DeSoWa on May 31, 2011, 05:31:16 PM
Lawd fadder, talk about comess...now Blazer have until Monday to surrender all his CONCACAF stuff lol  :rotfl:

Big Up!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Babalawo on May 31, 2011, 05:39:11 PM
i wonder if he's coming TnT or most likely send a representative
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: ZANDOLIE on May 31, 2011, 05:41:40 PM
Chicken has come home to roost.

after reading the latest letter to the CFU

Look like de chicken climb in ah red and white box wit medium fries

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: FF on May 31, 2011, 05:48:28 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/GrantWahl (http://twitter.com/#!/GrantWahl)

Concacaf statement (from New York office): "Chuck Blazer continues as general secretary and with the full authority of his office."


 :rotfl:

Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Brownsugar on May 31, 2011, 05:51:30 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/GrantWahl (http://twitter.com/#!/GrantWahl)

Concacaf statement (from New York office): "Chuck Blazer continues as general secretary and with the full authority of his office."


 :rotfl:



Nah FF, yuh joking....what de hell is dis??!!  Ah cyar keep up!!  De man telling Austin to kiss he rear end??  Geez and ages!!!...... :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: soccerrama on May 31, 2011, 05:58:28 PM
OFFICIAL media release from CONCACAF
 
NEW YORK (Tuesday, May 31, 2011) – Today an unauthorized declaration was made by Lisle Austin attempting to remove Chuck Blazer as General Secretary of CONCACAF.
 
This attempted action was taken without any authority. Under the CONCACAF Statutes, jurisdiction over the General Secretary rests solely with the CONCACAF Executive Committee which has taken no action. Further a majority of the Executive Committee Members have advised Mr. Austin that he does not have the authority to take such action.
 
Chuck Blazer continues as CONCACAF General Secretary and with the full authority of his office. The Confederation continues its normal operations including the Gold Cup commencing on June 5th at Cowboys Stadium in Dallas.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: FF on May 31, 2011, 06:02:55 PM
OFFICIAL media release from CONCACAF
 
NEW YORK (Tuesday, May 31, 2011) – Today an unauthorized declaration was made by Lisle Austin attempting to remove Chuck Blazer as General Secretary of CONCACAF.
 
This attempted action was taken without any authority. Under the CONCACAF Statutes, jurisdiction over the General Secretary rests solely with the CONCACAF Executive Committee which has taken no action. Further a majority of the Executive Committee Members have advised Mr. Austin that he does not have the authority to take such action.
 
Chuck Blazer continues as CONCACAF General Secretary and with the full authority of his office. The Confederation continues its normal operations including the Gold Cup commencing on June 5th at Cowboys Stadium in Dallas.


Another defeat for Jack... well well well
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: fitzinho on May 31, 2011, 06:09:27 PM
Well yes, them men not even subtle with their attempts at covering up this nonsense. U telling me he try to fire Blazer for calling Jack out?? Smh...and then they want people to say FIFA is not one of the most corrupt organizations on the planet....steups
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Brownsugar on May 31, 2011, 06:13:50 PM
OFFICIAL media release from CONCACAF
 
NEW YORK (Tuesday, May 31, 2011) – Today an unauthorized declaration was made by Lisle Austin attempting to remove Chuck Blazer as General Secretary of CONCACAF.
 
This attempted action was taken without any authority. Under the CONCACAF Statutes, jurisdiction over the General Secretary rests solely with the CONCACAF Executive Committee which has taken no action. Further a majority of the Executive Committee Members have advised Mr. Austin that he does not have the authority to take such action.
 
Chuck Blazer continues as CONCACAF General Secretary and with the full authority of his office. The Confederation continues its normal operations including the Gold Cup commencing on June 5th at Cowboys Stadium in Dallas.


Another defeat for Jack... well well well

Nah.  Ah done for tonight.....ah cyar keep up.  Dem fellas win for tonight....dey done mih popcorn and now I just eh have no more energy to follow this bacchanal.....ah gone for tonight.....aye, well yes!!!...
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on May 31, 2011, 06:15:24 PM
Well yes, them men not even subtle with their attempts at covering up this nonsense. U telling me he try to fire Blazer for calling Jack out?? Smh...and then they want people to say FIFA is not one of the most corrupt organizations on the planet....steups

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bitter on May 31, 2011, 06:26:12 PM
Watch nah man, One of we better start collecting this stuff and write a book. This thing better than Lucha Libre! Just when yuh think ah man get pin, he does throw the man off and then when yuh not looking ah next one come through wid a chair! Blatter is the referee, he does throw in some licks too, but basically counting to 3 as slow as possible.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on May 31, 2011, 06:29:28 PM

So how can an acting President fire a FIFA executive committee member?



I started to weigh in on this earlier but decided to wait for more official news... I believe he can be terminated as Secretary General as this may be an appointed position rather than an elected one.  ExCo is also appointed, but you're appointed by the Confederation, so essentially elected by the member FA's to be their ExCo representative.  He can't be fired from that position... but he can be recalled, requiring some sort of referendum or vote, and not up to Austin's whim.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: ZANDOLIE on May 31, 2011, 06:44:32 PM

So how can an acting President fire a FIFA executive committee member?



I started to weigh in on this earlier but decided to wait for more official news... I believe he can be terminated as Secretary General as this may be an appointed position rather than an elected one.  ExCo is also appointed, but you're appointed by the Confederation, so essentially elected by the member FA's to be their ExCo representative.  He can't be fired from that position... but he can be recalled, requiring some sort of referendum or vote, and not up to Austin's whim.

And one would think Jack would know better...sounds like a unilateral attempt from a Jack loyalist. Or perhaps appointment by confederation means appointment by Jack...

Difference set of circumstances, but Jack has 'fired' CFU federation presidents before has'nt he. And apparently they are elected by each nation's regional heads.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: davyjenny1 on May 31, 2011, 06:46:17 PM
From: Cbcports.ca


http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/story/2011/05/31/sp-blazer-fired.html


Acting CONCACAF chief trying to fire FIFA whistleblower
The Associated Press
Posted: May 31, 2011 6:55 PM ET
Last Updated: May 31, 2011 8:09 PM ET
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The acting president of CONCACAF said Tuesday he has fired Chuck Blazer, whose bribery allegations touched off the corruption scandal that has shaken FIFA to its core.

Hours before the FIFA presidential election, Lisle Austin accused Blazer of "a gross misconduct of duty and of judgment," and said the American was no longer fit to be CONCACAF's secretary general. Austin's letter, sent to Blazer's hotel, was written on CONCACAF stationary, and FIFA president Sepp Blatter and FIFA general secretary Jerome Valcke were copied in.

It wasn't immediately clear whether Austin has the authority to remove Blazer, who is also a member of FIFA's executive committee. The man who answered the phone in Blazer's hotel room said Blazer was "dealing with business" and could not comment. John P. Collins, the former U.S. prosecutor who investigated the bribery allegations on Blazer's behalf, said when reached on his cellphone that he could not talk.

Blazer accused Jack Warner, the longtime CONCACAF president and a FIFA vice-president, and Mohamed bin Hammam of giving Caribbean football leaders $40,000 US each in exchange for their votes in the presidential election. Bin Hammam, a Qatari who leads Asia's football confederation, had been Sepp Blatter's only challenger.

Warner and bin Hammam have been temporarily suspended, and now face a full FIFA inquiry. If found guilty, they could be expelled from FIFA and banned from all football activity.

In his letter, Austin said Blazer "grossly insulted and defamed" all of CONCACAF's Caribbean members by saying each was under investigation for bribery. He also said Blazer did not have the authority to hire Collins, and that a decision to investigate federation members could only have been made by CONCACAF's executive committee.

Blazer's termination is effective immediately, Austin said, and he ordered Blazer to appear at the CONCACAF offices on Monday to turn over his computer and any "records, contracts, other books" related to CONCACAF business.

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/story/2011/05/31/sp-blazer-fired.html#ixzz1NyrTP0MI
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: College on May 31, 2011, 07:14:51 PM
Watch nah man, One of we better start collecting this stuff and write a book. This thing better than Lucha Libre! Just when yuh think ah man get pin, he does throw the man off and then when yuh not looking ah next one come through wid a chair! Blatter is the referee, he does throw in some licks too, but basically counting to 3 as slow as possible.

Jack probably have the book and movie rights already :devil:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Babalawo on May 31, 2011, 07:19:11 PM
This is Bacchanal. Blazer cannot be fired.  I wont be surprise if Jack Warner is fired by Thursday after the elections
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Babalawo on May 31, 2011, 07:21:05 PM
Just in via Shaka Hislop:
Quote
Lisle Austin hits back, citing Article 29 of the CONCACAF Constitution. He also says Blazer are "tantamount to trespassing".
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: ZANDOLIE on May 31, 2011, 08:06:34 PM
Just in via Shaka Hislop:
Quote
Lisle Austin hits back, citing Article 29 of the CONCACAF Constitution. He also says Blazer are "tantamount to trespassing".

Can't see how article 29 justifies firing Blazer. Article 30 outlines convening the executive for emergency measures. Austin did not mention any such meeting....and he only has one vote. Plus CONCACAF congress has the ultimate authority in these matters.

Seems they have to assemble an emergency meeting with Blazer before they can him! Perhaps Football supporter, Bake and Shark and other folks with law training can shed some light?

http://www.concacaf.com/staticFiles/af/41/0,,12813~147887,00.pdf
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on May 31, 2011, 08:28:22 PM
This is Bacchanal. Blazer cannot be fired.  I wont be surprise if Jack Warner is fired by Thursday after the elections

He can't?  You basing that on what exactly? 


I don't see what in Article 29 authorizes him to remove the General Secretary... that only says that the position is appointed by the Executive Committee.  The Committee can fire him in absentia it seems... they don't have to call him before them.

That said... I'm not sure I agree entirely with Austin, but Blazer just as dirty as Jack, just a different kind of muck.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bitter on May 31, 2011, 08:56:09 PM
The only thing I could see in article 29 is about powers of attorney. Perhaps if Blazer didn't have authority to engage legal counsel on CONCACAF's behalf, he may have committed a breach which allows him to be fired. It might all hinge on who paying the fees.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 31, 2011, 09:01:15 PM
Banana Republic politics.  These men are simply reflecting how we Caribbean nations conduct business: with baseless abuse of power!  Once again, we have a puppet acting and trying to act arbitrarily.  Probably collected he bag ah money and don't want to give it back, and vex with Blazer for insisting that they do so.  The seat of power in Concacaf may well change after this.  I'm surprised that we haven't heard anything from the Mexican federation.  I guess they are waiting to see where how things play out before they take a side?  
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: congo on May 31, 2011, 09:03:47 PM
Sad to say and I don't mind if I am called unpatriotic but I really hope that power should go to either Mexicans or Americans. Maybe just maybe we in the Caribbean would really start working hard and putting proper plans together knowing that we have no help to get. The US and Mexico have been consistent over the years I really don't see why they shouldn't lead concacaf.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: royal on May 31, 2011, 09:18:28 PM
Sad to say and I don't mind if I am called unpatriotic but I really hope that power should go to either Mexicans or Americans. Maybe just maybe we in the Caribbean would really start working hard and putting proper plans together knowing that we have no help to get. The US and Mexico have been consistent over the years I really don't see why they shouldn't lead concacaf.

before yuh make dem statements congo,find out what happen when de Mexican was there before Jack and what importance de caribbean islands had?See if he wasn't bias too especially towards central america?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on May 31, 2011, 09:18:42 PM
I'm just confused! Austin says Blazer acted without authority from exco, then apparently acts without the same authority by sacking Blazer. What a joke this is becoming.
And why have we not heard more about the Simpaul involvement? Surely Warner abused his power by ordering delegates to book with Simpaul. At the very least, if there was no tender (which I'm sure there wasn't) then Warner could be accused of lining his families pockets at the expense of CFU. Its even more blatant than the Kamla situation. at least she had no direct financial involvement in GoPaul.

You know, if this was UK or USA, journos would be all over this. Then theres the "missing million". No one out there bothered?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bitter on May 31, 2011, 09:26:34 PM
Considerin that Chuck is a tief and the Mexicans wasn't doing anything much in CONCACAF before Jack came along, the assumption that a Mexican or American head would do better is weak. Check the USOC bacchanal with the Salt Lake City Olympics.

Nationality doesn't equate to competence or integrity. After all, Blatter is Swiss. Who more competent and reliable than the Swiss?

The current power structure lends itself to the kinds of bacchanal we see all over the world. I don't know how that can be changed. If envelopes of money passing, and there is no real deterrent penalty for offenders (i.e. fines and jail), then any system can be corrupted.

The thing about Jack is that he's not incompetent. His goals get accomplished. This is why you haven't see any huge clamor for his replacement among the member federations.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on May 31, 2011, 09:33:44 PM
I'm just confused! Austin says Blazer acted without authority from exco, then apparently acts without the same authority by sacking Blazer. What a joke this is becoming.
And why have we not heard more about the Simpaul involvement? Surely Warner abused his power by ordering delegates to book with Simpaul. At the very least, if there was no tender (which I'm sure there wasn't) then Warner could be accused of lining his families pockets at the expense of CFU. Its even more blatant than the Kamla situation. at least she had no direct financial involvement in GoPaul.

You know, if this was UK or USA, journos would be all over this. Then theres the "missing million". No one out there bothered?

Business as usual! Doh forget it’s a government minister and all ministers are innocent until proven guilty!!

Don't forget the PM says she stands by Jack so he's obviously hasn't been found guilty of anything!
Why embarrass our PM by investigating and possibly finding out things which are better kept quiet?

Safest thing to do where JW is concerned is to act like none of his affairs is worth investigating and hope everyone forgets about it and moves on.

Why yuh bringing these gapping issues up?! I feel you must be ah PNM supporter yes!!
Why yuh against JW so!? He’s your hardest working minister!!
Everytime you drive down the road in T&T and doh get stuck in traffic you must thank him!!
How could you not trust such a great man and want to investigate his affairs?!!

Allyuh PNM is something else yes!! (Controv, wha yuh say, ah sounding more logical now?!) ::)
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Deeks on May 31, 2011, 09:50:16 PM
Banana Republic politics.  These men are simply reflecting how we Caribbean nations conduct business: with baseless abuse of power!  Once again, we have a puppet acting and trying to act arbitrarily.  Probably collected he bag ah money and don't want to give it back, and vex with Blazer for insisting that they do so.  The seat of power in Concacaf may well change after this.  I'm surprised that we haven't heard anything from the Mexican federation.  I guess they are waiting to see where how things play out before they take a side?  

Beforejack became president, Concacaf HQ was in Quatemala. The only Caribbean countries use to get respect were Haiti and Cuba because they were there from the beginning. Is only when the CFU was formed the Carib started to flex a little muscle thru jack. He moved the HQ to NY with the help of maybe Blazer himself or another american,  because he said the federation needed a big country profile. But they moved because the US was emerging as a football nation and was doling out money at the time. Concacaf (with the exception of US and Mex) as a federation did not have money.

The Quats were pissed suffice to say and tried to rally the Central Americans, but nothing happenned. It did not worry the Mexican because they have plenty football money and the best organized league in Latin American. Concacaf can't do them nothing if they don't step on anyone toes. And anyways they have the best team in the zone and on most occasions qualify for the WC.

the CFU  voted in block , their ace in hand. The CFU has benefitted by the small Carib countries getting a shot at the US and Mex and on a given day can reek some havoc. But in the final analysis, the REAL game is played on the field and not the boardroom. That is why only JA and TT has qualified in recent times.

Now,  If they split the vote, then the CFU teams will get thunder. Los espanoles will gang up against los brits.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: elan on May 31, 2011, 10:06:02 PM
Emirates add voice to FIFA criticism
May 31, 2011
Espnsoccernet.com


Airline giant Emirates have become the third of FIFA's key sponsors to express disappointment at the continuing controversy surrounding the world governing uh

Coca-Cola and adidas both issued statements on Sunday revealing their concern about the ongoing crisis at the top of the game's administration.

Boutros Boutros, Emirates' divisional senior vice-president, corporate communications, said: "Emirates, like all football fans around the world, are disappointed with the issues that are currently surrounding the administration of this sport.

"Emirates' sponsorship of all FIFA tournaments, including the FIFA World Cup, aims to help promote football and ensure that it is accessible to the billions of football fans; something FIFA have managed to do extremely well in recent years.

"We hope that these issues will be resolved as soon as possible and the outcome will be in the interest of the game and sport in general.''

Fellow sponsors Sony and Hyundai-Kia Motor are keeping their distance from the row, though Visa also made their feeling known on Tuesday.

A Visa spokesperson said: "The current situation is clearly not good for the game and we ask that FIFA take all necessary steps to resolve the concerns that have been raised.''

Both Coca-Cola and fellow sponsors adidas appeared to stand by FIFA but not without also expressing concern.

A Coca-Cola spokesperson said: "The current allegations being raised are distressing and bad for the sport. We have every expectation that FIFA will resolve this situation in an expedient and thorough manner.''

An adidas spokesman said: "Adidas enjoys a long-term, close and successful partnership with FIFA that we are looking forward to continuing. Adidas will be an official sponsor of FIFA World Cup 2014 in Brazil.

"Having said that, the negative tenor of the public debate around FIFA at the moment is neither good for football nor for FIFA and its partners.''

time when the body has rarely been in better financial shape.

Their most recent accounts for the four-year period up to and including the 2010 World Cup revealed revenues of USD 4 billion (currently £2.4 billion) and profits of $631 million (£382 million). Income from the key sponsors amounts to 26% of total revenue, around $1 billion.

Adidas have said they are committed to remaining as a sponsor until the 2014 World Cup and others will have firm agreements in place but any dissatisfaction could nevertheless have ramifications.

Sports consultant Stephen Dunham said: "With sponsors starting to make noises, that could potentially start to ring alarm bells within FIFA. These guys pay huge amounts of money for their products to be associated with football because of the global reach of the game.

"They will be wanting it taken new territories but they will want it done properly and sensibly. It could soon come to a point where they might think it potentially becomes damaging to their brand.

"You would have to look at what the contracts say in terms of get-out and break clauses and whether there was any scope to break a contract legally from what they have signed. But sponsors making noises will resonate with them because of the impact that will have with revenues.''

Put
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on May 31, 2011, 10:35:59 PM
The only thing I could see in article 29 is about powers of attorney. Perhaps if Blazer didn't have authority to engage legal counsel on CONCACAF's behalf, he may have committed a breach which allows him to be fired. It might all hinge on who paying the fees.

Blazer don't need permission to do that... he might need permission to pay Ross out of CONCACAF's accounts, but not to hire a lawyer to look into corruption.  Think about it, you need permission from CONCACAF in order to investigate corruption in CONCACAF... you'd never get anywhere.  I think he doh like the backstabbing way Blazer went about things and Blazer calling everybody integrity into question by saying all FA's are being investigated.  Good or bad Blazer is a mutt.

I'm just confused! Austin says Blazer acted without authority from exco, then apparently acts without the same authority by sacking Blazer. What a joke this is becoming.
And why have we not heard more about the Simpaul involvement? Surely Warner abused his power by ordering delegates to book with Simpaul. At the very least, if there was no tender (which I'm sure there wasn't) then Warner could be accused of lining his families pockets at the expense of CFU. Its even more blatant than the Kamla situation. at least she had no direct financial involvement in GoPaul.

You know, if this was UK or USA, journos would be all over this. Then theres the "missing million". No one out there bothered?

Business as usual! Doh forget it’s a government minister and all ministers are innocent until proven guilty!!

Don't forget the PM says she stands by Jack so he's obviously hasn't been found guilty of anything!
Why embarrass our PM by investigating and possibly finding out things which are better kept quiet?

Safest thing to do where JW is concerned is to act like none of his affairs is worth investigating and hope everyone forgets about it and moves on.

Why yuh bringing these gapping issues up?! I feel you must be ah PNM supporter yes!!
Why yuh against JW so!? He’s your hardest working minister!!
Everytime you drive down the road in T&T and doh get stuck in traffic you must thank him!!
How could you not trust such a great man and want to investigate his affairs?!!

Allyuh PNM is something else yes!! (Controv, wha yuh say, ah sounding more logical now?!) ::)


To be honest with you that's not really much of an issue to me... the bribery allegations are waaaaaayy more serious.  Jack didn't order anybody to book with Simpaul, he essentially said "I can't guarantee you that you'll be reimbursed if you book on your own"... he then charge Bin Hammam $100,000 more than the cost it seems.  There is nothing crooked or illegal about what he did the delegates paid the same as they would have paid otherwise on their own... the only difference is thaty by going thru Simpaul Jack was able to pad his coffers at Bin Hammam's expense.  Is not FIFA money or CONCACAF money is Bin Hammam's money... so big deal.

Kamla also doing the right thing... these are not criminal charges, is political manouevering and the investigation hasn't even started yet... is she supposed to fire/suspend Jack and they ent have nutten on him yet?  Let the investigation run its course.  Not that I supporting Jack... I just supporting things being done the right way.

-------------------------

Deeks... CONCACAF actually headquartered in the Bahamas, surprised to find that out myself (unless the Articles of Incorporation old).
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: fitzinho on May 31, 2011, 11:23:20 PM
Banana Republic politics.  These men are simply reflecting how we Caribbean nations conduct business: with baseless abuse of power!  Once again, we have a puppet acting and trying to act arbitrarily.  Probably collected he bag ah money and don't want to give it back, and vex with Blazer for insisting that they do so.  The seat of power in Concacaf may well change after this.  I'm surprised that we haven't heard anything from the Mexican federation.  I guess they are waiting to see where how things play out before they take a side?  

Beforejack became president, Concacaf HQ was in Quatemala. The only Caribbean countries use to get respect were Haiti and Cuba because they were there from the beginning. Is only when the CFU was formed the Carib started to flex a little muscle thru jack. He moved the HQ to NY with the help of maybe Blazer himself or another american,  because he said the federation needed a big country profile. But they moved because the US was emerging as a football nation and was doling out money at the time. Concacaf (with the exception of US and Mex) as a federation did not have money.

The Quats were pissed suffice to say and tried to rally the Central Americans, but nothing happenned. It did not worry the Mexican because they have plenty football money and the best organized league in Latin American. Concacaf can't do them nothing if they don't step on anyone toes. And anyways they have the best team in the zone and on most occasions qualify for the WC.

the CFU  voted in block , their ace in hand. The CFU has benefitted by the small Carib countries getting a shot at the US and Mex and on a given day can reek some havoc. But in the final analysis, the REAL game is played on the field and not the boardroom. That is why only JA and TT has qualified in recent times.

Now,  If they split the vote, then the CFU teams will get thunder. Los espanoles will gang up against los brits.

Where on the map is Quatemala??
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Jah Gol on June 01, 2011, 02:55:13 AM
Trinidad Express Newspaper National News of Trinidad and Tobago
Print this article
Hinds: Probe if bribe $$ floating in T&T
Originally printed at http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Hinds__Probe_if_bribe____floating_in_T_T-122922038.html

By Anna Ramdass anna.ramdass@trinidadexpress.com
June 1, 2011
Opposition Senator Fitzgerald Hinds has called on Commissioner of Police Dwayne Gibbs and the Comptroller of Customs to investigate whether hundreds of thousands of United States (US) currency illegally entered this country in relation to bribery allegations leveled against suspended FIFA vice-president Jack Warner.

He also called on Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar to take immediate action if bribery allegations are made against any member of her Government.

"I am calling on the commissioner since a crime against the law of Trinidad and Tobago may have been committed. I am calling upon the Comptroller of Customs to check the records to see whether large amounts of US currency was illegally imported into Trinidad and Tobago without declaration and if not where did the money come from to fund it locally? These are the issues I want the Minister of National Security and the Minister of Justice to address," said Hinds.

Hinds raised the issue as he debated the Miscellaneous Provisions (Ministry of Justice) Bill, 2011 at the Senate sitting yesterday.

Warner, the Minister of Works and Transport, as well as Qatari FIFA executive member Mohamed bin Hammam were suspended on Sunday by FIFA's ethics committee for allegedly bribing members of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) with US$40,000 each to solicit votes for bin Hammam who was contesting the FIFA presidency but later withdrew.

Warner had promised that a "political tsunami" would occur in the football world.

Hinds raised the issue in the Senate yesterday while Leader of Government Business, Subhas Panday, repeatedly quoted various standing orders to prevent him from dragging on the matter.

Responding to Hinds's call for a probe, Panday said, "In any event those are merely allegations and you are using allegations as truth and calling upon the Comptroller of Customs to investigate."

Hinds insisted that his call for an investigation was justified.

Tensions rose as Senate Vice President Lyndira Oudit ordered that Hinds's statements be struck from the record as Hinds and Opposition Senator Faris Al Rawi objected.

Oudit did not state clearly which statement was to be struck except to say "reference made to any member in a private capacity and the private members who are not in this Chamber or in any other Chamber of this House".

Before this, without calling names, Hinds had accused the Government of trying to protect a cabinet minister.

He pointed out that in 2005 when allegations of bribery and election fraud were made against former PNM ministers Eric Williams and Franklin Khan, Persad-Bissessar had said that the Fraud Squad and Anti-Corruption Bureau should investigate. He questioned whether she would now walk away from these principles as she is wearing the hat of Prime Minister.

"I know it is painful to face the truth, major player in the Cabinet, major financier, I know, but you have to bite the bullet, you have to deal with it otherwise we cannot respect you, we cannot trust you," said Hinds.

"I understand that really there is jubilation and celebration among some members of the Cabinet over what has happened over the last three days internationally you know," he teased as Panday shouted "Nonsense!"

Hinds continued: "You can gain my confidence and my trust and my respect again if the Government, all of you, will bring to bear some pressures on those upon who responsibility it is to take action and to cleanse the name of the Government from the view of the national community that you are protecting and nurturing someone in your cabinet who has been accused of very very serious offences … it is a crime to offer a bribe or to take a bribe in this country."
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: JDB on June 01, 2011, 03:32:02 AM
Sad to say and I don't mind if I am called unpatriotic but I really hope that power should go to either Mexicans or Americans. Maybe just maybe we in the Caribbean would really start working hard and putting proper plans together knowing that we have no help to get. The US and Mexico have been consistent over the years I really don't see why they shouldn't lead concacaf.
Nothing unpatriotic about it. We should want competent officials not officials that favour us. For all the talk about Jack's high position in a global organization we know that he is not competent (at the things that should matter) or respected.

I'm just confused! Austin says Blazer acted without authority from exco, then apparently acts without the same authority by sacking Blazer. What a joke this is becoming.
And why have we not heard more about the Simpaul involvement? Surely Warner abused his power by ordering delegates to book with Simpaul. At the very least, if there was no tender (which I'm sure there wasn't) then Warner could be accused of lining his families pockets at the expense of CFU. Its even more blatant than the Kamla situation. at least she had no direct financial involvement in GoPaul.

You know, if this was UK or USA, journos would be all over this. Then theres the "missing million". No one out there bothered?

That ent really an issue right now because it is par for the course. The CFU delegates accustom to that. The only reason it make news now is because Bin Hammam making the reimbursement and Concacaf. Even the discrepancy between Bin Hammam and Concacaf is a minor matter right now in the face of $40,000 bribes.

Considerin that Chuck is a tief and the Mexicans wasn't doing anything much in CONCACAF before Jack came along, the assumption that a Mexican or American head would do better is weak. Check the USOC bacchanal with the Salt Lake City Olympics.

Nationality doesn't equate to competence or integrity. After all, Blatter is Swiss. Who more competent and reliable than the Swiss?

The current power structure lends itself to the kinds of bacchanal we see all over the world. I don't know how that can be changed. If envelopes of money passing, and there is no real deterrent penalty for offenders (i.e. fines and jail), then any system can be corrupted.

The thing about Jack is that he's not incompetent. His goals get accomplished. This is why you haven't see any huge clamor for his replacement among the member federations.

The way Concacaf moves and FIFA operates is the same way that most of the federations work. It is the worst kind of politics because they have no accountability. They represent countries but the constitutents, football fans and players, have no power to elect them so they do what they want. Look at the ages of these fools. This Lisle Austin is 74, Warner is 70, Blazer is 66, Sepp is 74, Havelange used to look like death himself. Not to sound ageist but these pensioners just there holding onto power like dictators making sure nobody could get rid of them.

Whoever comes in will no doubt favour some support over the general confederation, that is just the way it works. How yuh feel we end up with a Centre of Excellence and two youth world cup hosting gigs?



 
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Zeppo on June 01, 2011, 04:30:16 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/I81S4gPn0GY
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: JDB on June 01, 2011, 05:20:06 AM
Fifa delegates attack England as attempt to postpone election fails (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jun/01/fifa-delegates-england-postpone-election)

• Members rally round Sepp Blatter ahead of vote
• Follow the latest developments on our live blog

Matt Scott in Zurich
guardian.co.uk,   
Wednesday 1 June 2011 10.55 BST

The Football Association's attempt to delay the uncontested election of the Fifa president failed at the organisation's congress on Wednesday amid an outpouring of anti-English sentiment from some quarters.

David Bernstein, the FA chairman, made a late attempt to alter the agenda less than 24 hours before the assembly. He was afforded the opportunity to introduce his initiative with a speech to the full congress in which he stated that there would be no "proper, credible mandate" if Sepp Blatter's coronation proceeds amid widespread corruption allegations.

Bernstein's address received muted applause from a section of the congress. However there was scant support for his move at the electronic ballot box as only 17 member associations voted in favour, with 172 opposing his motion and another 17 abstentions or spoiled ballots.

Before the voting, Bernstein's speech was followed a rally in favour of Blatter. Selemani Omari, the president of the FA of the Democratic Republic of the Congo, delivered some powerful oratory.

"Fifa belongs to 208 associations, not one or another," he said. "We're ill at ease with people who wield unfounded accusations. He who accuses must provide evidence. We have no lessons to take. If there is a single candidate also sometimes it is because we are satisfied with the candidate."

Omari was followed by Benin's Moucharafou Anjorin, who said: "I'm ill at ease that this comes from a country like England with its football standing. Some people in Africa take great pleasure from watching English football on the television. This is why I do not understand why we want to create more tensions within Fifa.

"England should not be conveying this message. England should not divide us. We should be here to write history together. We want people to know this congress took place and we adhered to the agenda. That is democracy."

In a 15-minute speech, the Fijian delegate, an executive-committee member of the Oceanian Football Confederation, claimed that it would be "unconstitutional" not to proceed with Blatter's election.

And as not one delegate spoke up in support for Bernstein's measure, a fellow European voice, that of Cyprus's Costakis Koutsoukoumis, was added to the critical chorus.

"Allegations," he said. "What a beautiful English word. We must not allow people outside this room to enter Fifa's agenda."

In response to his confirmation, Blatter talked of Fifa having the best transparency in the world of sport. Two days after he insisted that Fifa's anti-corruption measures must be improved, he added that it should be for the Fifa congress to elect the members of its "independent" ombudsman, the ethics committee.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: pecan on June 01, 2011, 06:20:43 AM
Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jun/01/fifa-presidential-election-live-blog (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jun/01/fifa-presidential-election-live-blog)

Here's a recap of what has happened so far today:

• FA chief David Bernstein called on Fifa delegates to support a postponement of this afternoon's presidential election in order to give more time for a reforming candidate to emerge.

• Bernstein's speech met with a decidedly tepid response and the FA's motion was ultimately rejected by 178 votes to 17.

Sepp Blatter took to the stage to deliver an impassioned speech in which he vowed to dispel the whiff of foul play that has enveloped Fifa during his reign.

• Among the measures that Blatter says will usher Fifa into a bright new era of transparency and love are: the introduction of a corporate governance and compliance body (staffed by Fifa folks) to run the rule over the organisation; and a change to the voting system for World Cup hosting rights, whereby hosts will be selected by the Fifa Congress (208 people) rather than the executive committee (24 men).

• The head of the Argentinian FA, Julio Grondona, viciously denounced the allegations of corruption emanating from England, accusing the English of spouting "lies" ... and revealing that he would never have supported an English World Cup bid unless the Falkland Islands were handed back to Argentina.

As for this afternoon, Blatter has tantalisingly revealed that he will hold forth further on his plans to bring more transparency to Fifa. And then there will be that nail-biting election.

*******************************************************************

So, Blatter will clean up what he allowed to occur under his watch.  Good for him.

And Argentina have long memories as they yearn to reclaim their sheep on the islands
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on June 01, 2011, 06:54:00 AM
Bakes, I'm not sure I understand your statement: "To be honest with you that's not really much of an issue to me... the bribery allegations are waaaaaayy more serious.  Jack didn't order anybody to book with Simpaul, he essentially said "I can't guarantee you that you'll be reimbursed if you book on your own"... he then charge Bin Hammam $100,000 more than the cost it seems.  There is nothing crooked or illegal about what he did the delegates paid the same as they would have paid otherwise on their own... the only difference is thaty by going thru Simpaul Jack was able to pad his coffers at Bin Hammam's expense.  Is not FIFA money or CONCACAF money is Bin Hammam's money... so big deal."

Isn't that a kind of threat or at least coersion? I mean, if I say to you "you don't have to give me $1,000 per week, but if you don't, I can't guarantee your windows won't get smashed" isn't that an implicit threat?

Jacks saying basically "do what I say or you'll lose out"  Maybe some low level guy could get away with this, but any suggestion of a threat from a Minister should be looked at seriously. Then theres the issue of money laundering. How did the cash get into the country? Where did the $1 million go? In which set of accounts will it appear? Drug barons go to jail for illlegally obtaining cash. How is this different?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: JDB on June 01, 2011, 07:32:07 AM
Bakes, I'm not sure I understand your statement: "To be honest with you that's not really much of an issue to me... the bribery allegations are waaaaaayy more serious.  Jack didn't order anybody to book with Simpaul, he essentially said "I can't guarantee you that you'll be reimbursed if you book on your own"... he then charge Bin Hammam $100,000 more than the cost it seems.  There is nothing crooked or illegal about what he did the delegates paid the same as they would have paid otherwise on their own... the only difference is thaty by going thru Simpaul Jack was able to pad his coffers at Bin Hammam's expense.  Is not FIFA money or CONCACAF money is Bin Hammam's money... so big deal."

Isn't that a kind of threat or at least coersion? I mean, if I say to you "you don't have to give me $1,000 per week, but if you don't, I can't guarantee your windows won't get smashed" isn't that an implicit threat?

Jacks saying basically "do what I say or you'll lose out"  Maybe some low level guy could get away with this, but any suggestion of a threat from a Minister should be looked at seriously. Then theres the issue of money laundering. How did the cash get into the country? Where did the $1 million go? In which set of accounts will it appear? Drug barons go to jail for illlegally obtaining cash. How is this different?

It is not an issue of coercion because Concacaf is not forcing them to pay anything. Most companies have preferred providers for travel, specifically airfare, hotel and car rental. You book through them because your company gets a better deal or you may not get reimbursed.

What it is, is an issue of nepotism and poor business practice because Jack has a clear conflict of interest in choosing Simpauls. But in Concacaf that is accepted business practice and as the head of Concacaf, with no oversight, he can set those rules. It does pale in comparison to the bribe.

What would have been a problem was if he used Concacaf budget to pay for this CFU meeting that had nothing to do with Concacaf, at least he and Bin Hammam were able to recognize that.

As for the missing money, Jack just invoice Bin Hammam $7000 US per each of the 50 heads. It is only one person voting from each federation so I am sure it was the 25 delegates with "and ones". Some of the "and ones" would have been assistants or legitimate junior football officials, others would have been girlfriends, spouses or friends who taking the free travel. Some of them probably travel solo and leave money on the table for Jack. Also it not going to cost the same travel for delegates from Barbados as from Cuba etc so the it didn't cost $7000 for each of the 50. So Jack just request the 360,000 and invoice the real sum. The only man to really vex there is Bin Hammam.

I agree that the money issue of transporting the bribe money into and out of the country as well as declaring it is an issue. I would also be interested to know if any of this "crime" was organized, planned or carried out in the US and if it would be subject to some criminal conspiracy laws.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: truetrini on June 01, 2011, 08:59:28 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/I81S4gPn0GY

Blazer is a damn bigger tief than jack and Burrell put together...he jes under de radar more.  dat is all!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: vb on June 01, 2011, 09:08:42 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/I81S4gPn0GY

 Blazer AKA Santa Claus.

VB
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: weary1969 on June 01, 2011, 09:11:19 AM
Blazer Santa Claus

Jack  Robin Hood according 2 d MOWT employee

What a cast of characters

Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: rotatopoti3 on June 01, 2011, 09:19:44 AM
Blazer is a damn bigger tief than jack and Burrell put together...he jes under de radar more.  dat is all!

TT ah never thought ah would ever yuh say someone is ah bigger tief than Jack...

Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Jayerson on June 01, 2011, 09:24:08 AM
Blazer Santa Claus

Jack  Robin Hood according 2 d MOWT employee

What a cast of characters



This Blazer is a wily old character himself. That interview is extremly funny imo. This is the man that has been in cahoots with Jack for about two decades. Think about it, for him to suggest this is the first time something like this has gone on....and him, being the saint that he is, immediately reported it, well that's a complete joke. This man is probably making a charge for the leadership of Concacaf or some other agenda.

These old men, just a grab for power. When the reporter asked what can FIFA do to stamp out corruption...he said they can do as he did.  :rotfl: . This man is just more slick, charasmatic, subtle and tactful than JW. That's all. The is football mafia at the highest.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on June 01, 2011, 09:27:37 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/I81S4gPn0GY

Blazer is a damn bigger tief than jack and Burrell put together...he jes under de radar more.  dat is all!


If Blazer ever gets caught and sacked from FIFA for corruption, I feel he could make good money working as Santa Claus!!  :D
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: rotatopoti3 on June 01, 2011, 10:08:11 AM
186 votes to the Godfather
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 01, 2011, 10:14:57 AM
Bakes, I'm not sure I understand your statement: "To be honest with you that's not really much of an issue to me... the bribery allegations are waaaaaayy more serious.  Jack didn't order anybody to book with Simpaul, he essentially said "I can't guarantee you that you'll be reimbursed if you book on your own"... he then charge Bin Hammam $100,000 more than the cost it seems.  There is nothing crooked or illegal about what he did the delegates paid the same as they would have paid otherwise on their own... the only difference is thaty by going thru Simpaul Jack was able to pad his coffers at Bin Hammam's expense.  Is not FIFA money or CONCACAF money is Bin Hammam's money... so big deal."

Isn't that a kind of threat or at least coersion? I mean, if I say to you "you don't have to give me $1,000 per week, but if you don't, I can't guarantee your windows won't get smashed" isn't that an implicit threat?

Jacks saying basically "do what I say or you'll lose out"  Maybe some low level guy could get away with this, but any suggestion of a threat from a Minister should be looked at seriously. Then theres the issue of money laundering. How did the cash get into the country? Where did the $1 million go? In which set of accounts will it appear? Drug barons go to jail for illlegally obtaining cash. How is this different?

Please... let's not get carried away.  There is no money laundering here which is essentially using illegally obtained money and channeling it thru legitimate means in order to "wash" the taint of the true illegal source.  CFU officials paid market price for the travel arrangements.  Simpaul is a partner with/Sponsor of the TTFF.  There is no threat or coercion, it's payment for services.  The 'victims' in this scheme ar Bin Hammam and other travel agencies... big deal.  With the money coming into TnT all that is is a failure to declare funds, a relatively minor infraction which yes, they should investigate.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Controversial on June 01, 2011, 10:51:17 AM
jw tell cfu to vote for sepp, jw and sepp are partners, orchestration at its best  :beermug:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Babalawo on June 01, 2011, 11:18:06 AM
WORD out of UK, is that ethics inquiry into Bin Hammam & Jack Warner will begin but they will be CLEARED of all charges. Basically all this was scripted with Bin Hammam being a dummy candidate, while Blazer will be the odd man out for breaking the "inner circle" snitching on Jack.  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Babalawo on June 01, 2011, 11:19:29 AM
 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: I have to laugh again
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: weary1969 on June 01, 2011, 11:25:57 AM
WORD out of UK, is that ethics inquiry into Bin Hammam & Jack Warner will begin but they will be CLEARED of all charges. Basically all this was scripted with Bin Hammam being a dummy candidate, while Blazer will be the odd man out for breaking the "inner circle" snitching on Jack.  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Ok back to yuh usually schedule programme. The NP scandal.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on June 01, 2011, 11:38:07 AM
jw tell cfu to vote for sepp, jw and sepp are partners, orchestration at its best  :beermug:

Not really! It’s only Jack hanging himself!

Terms of his suspension is that he should not get involved in any FIFA football business until he's proven innocent at the hearing!

I think Sepp needs a big fall guy to convince the world that he is determined to clean up FIFA and Jack might have unwittingly volunteered himself!

We will see how this all pans out!
If Jack manages to survive this mess that his backstabbing partner Blazer has put him in and keep his job in FIFA and all the other positions he has then Coop’s and myself are likely to become drinking partners!!  :beermug:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Blue on June 01, 2011, 12:16:19 PM
WORD out of UK, is that ethics inquiry into Bin Hammam & Jack Warner will begin but they will be CLEARED of all charges. Basically all this was scripted with Bin Hammam being a dummy candidate, while Blazer will be the odd man out for breaking the "inner circle" snitching on Jack.  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

where in the uk is this word coming from?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: E-man on June 01, 2011, 12:29:12 PM

13 CFU nations back Jack's bribery denial - The Trinidad Guardian (http://guardian.co.tt/news/2011/06/01/13-cfu-nations-back-jack-s-bribery-denial)

Sir Jack Hayward praises BFA as 'whistleblower' - Bahamas Tribune (http://www.tribune242.com/06012011_JackHayward_editorial_pg4)
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: JDB on June 01, 2011, 01:29:30 PM
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2011/6/1/1306943035038/Sepp-Blatter-003.jpg)

"The vengeance of Moko will be mine"


Sepp Blatter officially re-elected as Fifa president (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jun/01/sepp-blatter-reelected-fifa-president)

• Sepp Blatter endorsed by 186 of 203 voting members
• 'We will put Fifa's ship back on the right course'

Video (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/video/2011/jun/01/sepp-blatter-fifa-re-election)

Sepp Blatter has been officially re-elected as Fifa's president by the world governing body's 208 member associations.

Blatter, 75, was elected unopposed after an attempt by the Football Association to block the vote ended in heavy defeat.

In a secret ballot Blatter, left as the only candidate following Mohamed bin Hammam's withdrawal on Sunday, hours before he was provisionally banned on bribery charges, was re-elected with 186 votes from the 203 voting members.

In his victory speech, Blatter told the Fifa congress in Zurich: "I thank you for your trust and confidence from the bottom of my heart and together we will have four more years – provided the Lord gives me the life, the energy and the strength to continue on our path.

"I'm happy today we were once again able to bring solidarity and unity into Fifa. We shall move forward, we will put Fifa's ship back on the right course in clear, transparent waters. We need some time, we cannot do it overnight, but we will do it. I am deeply moved, I am honoured and I thank you. This is a new challenge and I accept it."
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: jai john on June 01, 2011, 01:40:24 PM
jw tell cfu to vote for sepp, jw and sepp are partners, orchestration at its best  :beermug:

Not really! It’s only Jack hanging himself!

Terms of his suspension is that he should not get involved in any FIFA football business until he's proven innocent at the hearing!

I think Sepp needs a big fall guy to convince the world that he is determined to clean up FIFA and Jack might have unwittingly volunteered himself!

We will see how this all pans out!
If Jack manages to survive this mess that his backstabbing partner Blazer has put him in and keep his job in FIFA and all the other positions he has then Coop’s and myself are likely to become drinking partners!!  :beermug:

Dohn worry if jack loses he FIFA wuk and he Minister wuk he eh losing much ...just 1 dollar !!! :devil:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: elan on June 01, 2011, 01:45:08 PM
FIFA re-elects Blatter as president

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ZURICH (AP) - Sepp Blatter was re-elected FIFA president on Wednesday after a major bribery scandal left him as the only candidate to deal with a sport reeling from a wave of corruption allegations.

Blatter, a 75-year-old Swiss executive who has been in office since 1998, was handed a final four-year term as head of soccer's governing body in a vote at FIFA's congress.

He received 186 votes out of 203 ballots.

After a tense week of drama and controversy surrounding his unchallenged candidacy, Blatter was beaming as he came into the congress hall to a standing ovation and warm applause after the result was announced.

"Vamos! Vamos! Vamos!" said an ebullient Blatter, using the Spanish term for "Let's go!"

He immediately took steps toward major reform by winning the assembly's backing for his proposal to have future World Cup hosts selected in a vote of all 208 federations instead of the 24-man executive committee. The congress also endorsed his plans to revamp the ethics committee and bring in more transparency.

Blatter said he also planned to appoint a woman to the executive committee.

FIFA will meet again later this year to formally adopt the measures.

"We will put FIFA's ship back on the right course in clear transparent waters," he said in French. "We will need some time. We cannot do it from one day to the next. It's a new challenge for me and I accept it."

The election went ahead after England's call for a postponement of Blatter's unopposed "coronation" amid the ethics crisis was overwhelmingly rejected by the delegates. England's FA chairman David Bernstein left before the vote.

Hours earlier, Blatter promised fundamental reform to tackle the scandals and vowed to let the 208 national federations choose the host of future World Cups instead of the 24-man executive committee.

The re-election completed a frantic week for Blatter, who strained under the weight of accusations targeting the top echelons of FIFA and himself as guardian of the game and the World Cup.

"We have been hit and I personally have been slapped," Blatter said. "I don't want that ever again."

The impending election of an incumbent as the only candidate had dealt a serious blow to FIFA's democratic credentials over the past week.

Blatter's sole challenger, Qatari executive committee member Mohamed bin Hammam, withdrew from the race last weekend and was suspended pending a full probe into allegations of bribing Caribbean voters during the campaign. FIFA vice president Jack Warner of Trinidad was also suspended for involvement in the alleged payoffs.

Despite the bribery scandal that saw the heads of the Asian and CONCACAF confederations suspended, the overwhelming backing was a ringing endorsement for Blatter.I

"I am happy we are able to bring this solidarity, this unity in FIFA," Blatter said.

Bernstein had called for a postponement of the election for several months to allow for the scandals to be cleared up, saying that "a coronation without an opponent provides a flawed mandate."

However, 172 of the 208 delegations rejected England's call, clearing the way for the election to proceed.

Blatter said the worst scandal in the body's history could be solved within FIFA itself and with him in charge.

"The FIFA ship is in troubled waters but this ship must be brought back on the right track," Blatter said in an opening address. "I am the captain of the ship."

"It is therefore my duty and responsibility to see to it that we get back on track."

To make sure his legacy would not be seen as one of a leader who let the rot of corruption take over the world's premier game, Blatter promised to improve decision-making and openness in FIFA.

"Reforms will be made and not just touchups but radical decisions," Blatter said in his speech to the 208 delegations.

He insisted that reform should come from within the FIFA family, snubbing calls for independent, outside oversight that many critics had insisted on and he himself had promised.

IOC President Jacques Rogge told Blatter on the eve of the election that only drastic measures to improve democracy and transparency had saved the Olympic movement when it faced a similar corruption scandal in the run-up to the 2002 Salt Lake City Winter Games.

"We have made mistakes, but we will draw our conclusions," Blatter said.

Allegations of corruption in World Cup bidding have also roiled FIFA in recent weeks.

On Monday, FIFA secretary general Jerome Valcke was forced to acknowledge he had written in an email that Qatar "bought" the 2022 World Cup. He said he was only referring to Qatar's formidable financial clout, and that he never accused the Gulf country of buying votes.

On Wednesday, German federation President Theo Zwanziger said Qatar's victory in December's vote should be reviewed in light of "speculations and corruption allegations." Qatar has denied any wrongdoing.

In a major policy shift, Blatter said he would work to make sure that the awarding of future World Cup hosts would be decided in a vote of all federations instead of the two dozen executive committee members, several of whom have been involved in bribery scandals.

Just ahead of the election, FIFA's financial officers highlighted the enormous importance of the sport's showcase tournament.

FIFA made a $631 million profit in the four years leading up to the 2010 World Cup in South Africa, registering $202 million of that in last year alone.

The four-year financial cycle showed income of $4.19 billion from broadcast and commercial deals, with 87 percent tied directly to the World Cup.

So far, Blatter's dogged determination to bring the World Cup to Africa with the successful staging of South Africa 2010 stands out as his legacy. In his last four years, his ability to reform the governance of the sport could mean as much for his place his history.

A fourth term will give Blatter a total of 17 years at the head of FIFA. Add the 24 years of his predecessor Joao Havelange, and the sport will have been in the hands of just two men over the past four decades.

___

AP Sports Writers Rob Harris and Graham Dunbar in Zurich and Nesha Starcevic in Frankfurt contributed to this report.

Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: jai john on June 01, 2011, 01:46:42 PM
What is it wade mark did say would come up if yuh was to google jack warner again ??? Politics really make strange bedfellows ...it seems so does football.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: D.H.W on June 01, 2011, 01:51:09 PM
WORD out of UK, is that ethics inquiry into Bin Hammam & Jack Warner will begin but they will be CLEARED of all charges. Basically all this was scripted with Bin Hammam being a dummy candidate, while Blazer will be the odd man out for breaking the "inner circle" snitching on Jack.  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
sauce please
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: elan on June 01, 2011, 02:00:30 PM
WORD out of UK, is that ethics inquiry into Bin Hammam & Jack Warner will begin but they will be CLEARED of all charges. Basically all this was scripted with Bin Hammam being a dummy candidate, while Blazer will be the odd man out for breaking the "inner circle" snitching on Jack.  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
sauce please

Mango or tambrind ???
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: weary1969 on June 01, 2011, 02:08:08 PM
WORD out of UK, is that ethics inquiry into Bin Hammam & Jack Warner will begin but they will be CLEARED of all charges. Basically all this was scripted with Bin Hammam being a dummy candidate, while Blazer will be the odd man out for breaking the "inner circle" snitching on Jack.  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
sauce please

Mango or tambrind ???

 :rotfl:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: D.H.W on June 01, 2011, 02:14:27 PM
i prefer mango  ;D
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: weary1969 on June 01, 2011, 02:15:38 PM
i prefer mango  ;D

Nah tambrind is d bomb
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Dutty on June 01, 2011, 02:27:14 PM
FIFA re-elects Blatter as president


Y'know if dis ting was a big ploy, dem fellahs just put on the greatest global theatrical event on the planet

Moreover if diamondtrim fadder rise out of the ashes on dis one...de bahamas football team go never kick ah lime in concacaf again.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Blue on June 01, 2011, 04:50:43 PM
Om La La on Crimewatch now talkin about Warner. Interestingly he says that, if found guilty, the worse that could happen to Jack is a suspension (I had assumed he could be sacked).
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: elan on June 01, 2011, 06:04:01 PM
USA eyes potential 2022 World Cup revote
 
By Martin Rogers, Yahoo! Sports
12 hours, 41 minutes ago
 

The United States could still host the 2022 World Cup after soccer’s governing body continued to be plagued by a deep-rooted bribery scandal that has rocked the sport to its core.

The American bid to host the tournament ended in disappointment in December, when members of governing body FIFA’s executive committee made the shocking decision to award the event to Qatar, a tiny Arab state with a population of fewer than two million people.

However, a storm of controversy has erupted around FIFA in the past week, reaching a head when it was revealed that general secretary Jerome Valcke wrote in an email that Qatar had “bought the World Cup.”

Suspicions about how Qatar had gathered the necessary support and outwitted the United States, Australia, Japan and South Korea immediately flared up, and were raised again in May when Britain’s Sunday Times newspaper presented evidence that claimed to show bribes had been paid in exchange for votes.

Influential FIFA member Theo Zwanziger, president of the German Football Federation, demanded on Wednesday that Qatar be stripped of its hosting rights pending a full investigation – and that a new vote should be taken if any corrupt activity is unearthed.

“There is a certain degree of suspicion that one cannot sweep aside,” Zwanziger told the BBC. “I must expect that awarding this World Cup under these conditions needs to be examined anew.”

The scandal has intensified over the past week as FIFA president Sepp Blatter survived a fraught battle to win another four-year term in office but only after his lone rival, Qatar’s Mohamed bin Hammam, was suspended pending an investigation into alleged corrupt payments made to soccer officials in the Caribbean.

FIFA vice president Jack Warner was also suspended in connection with the same matter but then came out fighting, accusing Blatter himself of making unauthorized cash payments and gifts of computers to officials associated with CONCACAF, the North American and Caribbean confederation of which the United States is a part.

Blatter, a 75-year-old Swiss executive who has been in office since 1998, was handed a final four-year term in a vote at FIFA’s congress. He received 186 out of 203 votes.

Although Blatter remains in control, he was forced to announce widespread changes to appease FIFA’s sponsors and a furious worldwide soccer public. From now on, each of FIFA’s 208 members will receive a vote on where future World Cups will be held, rather than a select 24-man executive committee.

Significantly, the full FIFA Congress will also be given power to elect members of the governing body’s Ethics Committee, which oversees FIFA conduct and would ultimately be responsible for any decision to order a fresh vote on the 2022 World Cup. That move, in particular, will give U.S. Soccer great hope and cause grave concern in the Qatar camp.

The United States put up a strong challenge to host the 2022 tournament, reaching the final round of voting before Qatar prevailed 14-8. If a revote was ordered, the American federation would be a strong favorite, with Australia its primary challenger.

The political shenanigans have naturally gained far greater media coverage in countries other than the United States, where soccer is more ingrained in the public psyche. But if the sport’s hour of darkness shakes out into a satisfactory conclusion, there may be no bigger winner than the United States.

Martin Rogers is a staff writer for Yahoo! Sports. Follow him on Twitter.

Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Brownsugar on June 01, 2011, 06:09:34 PM
Yuh know is about time we as fans start to put we money where we mouth is.....imagine if all the football fans all over de World boycott Adidas, Coca Cola, Sony, VISA et al....dey goh have to do something bout dey sponsorship of FIFA.....

Right, now that ah stop dreaming......back to mih bowl ah popcorn.....
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 01, 2011, 10:01:11 PM
Om La La on Crimewatch now talkin about Warner. Interestingly he says that, if found guilty, the worse that could happen to Jack is a suspension (I had assumed he could be sacked).

I would think the ExCo could censure him... essentially have him siddung in ah corner like Manning.  But it would be up to CONCACAF to fire him... every Confederation s/elects it's ExCo representative/s.
Title: Mess to good to be true - socceramerica.com
Post by: vb on June 02, 2011, 04:19:03 AM


Mess is 'too good to be true' 
by Paul Kennedy, June 2nd, 2011 1:44AM 
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[FIFA IN CRISIS] The FIFA mess reminds me of aide Norman Wilson's reaction when Mayor Tommy Carcetti is told the truth of the "homeless killer" toward the end of Season 5 of the HBO classic series "The Wire." "I wish I was still at the newspaper," Wilson laughs, "so I could write on this mess. It's too f****** good."

I'm not the first person to call Jack Warner the Clay Davis of FIFA, but it is so true. After all the years and all the accusa tions, with one last chance to influence an election, Warner couldn't resist, it seems.

Could he really have his cronies lay out $1 million in piles of cash, $40,000 each, four stacks of $10,000 in $100 bills, and believe word wouldn't get out? But that's what was reported in the evidence furnished by the Chicago lawyer John Collins to FIFA:

"They did, however, instruct the officials not to discuss the money with anyone else and to not let anyone else see the money.”

But we're not done with Warner. Two days after he was suspended by the FIFA ethics committee and a day after he said FIFA President Sepp Blatter had to be stopped, the Trinidadian pretended nothing had happened.

"At our last meeting, we agreed as a union to support the incumbent Joseph Sepp Blatter in his quest to regain the presidency. I wish to assure you nothing has changed -- our mandate was set then and despite it all we must fulfill it."

So the $40,000 handed out to each of the 25 Caribbean members was simply a gift, like the money Marlo Stanfield gave to the corner boys to spend on school clothes, and not intended to influence the election in favor Mohamed bin Hammam. Or was Warner trying to fleece bin Hammam just like Clay Davis did Cardetti in his mayoral race against Mayor Clarence Royce.

Following Warner's suspension, the situation at Concacaf quickly deteriorated like the Baltimore street corners after Avon Barksdale was hauled off to prison.

Twice, interim Concacaf president Lisle Austin said Concacaf general secretary Chuck Blazer had been fired, and twice Blazer responded that he wasn't.

The Concacaf turf war wasn't waged with bullets. It was waged by e-mail.

And in this virtual war we can predict a winner. Back in the day, it was Blazer who had gone from Caribbean federation to federation, teaching them how to use laptops and how to use e-mail.

But just how weird everything had become in FIFA politics came not from Concacaf but from England and the FA's report to FIFA on attempted bribery charges against four FIFA executive committee members in relation to England's failed 2018 World Cup bid.

Advisers to Nicolas Leoz, the 83-year-old Paraguayan who runs Conmebol, the South American confederation, were interested in seeing what the FA could do for Leoz. "To go to England just to meet the Prince and go to the cup final is not reason enough," it was reported.

Leoz might think differently, the advisers suggested, if the FA Cup was renamed after him.

Having UEFA name the Champions League after me has as much a chance as someone running around Wembley one day with the Nicolas Leoz FA Cup.



 
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: E-man on June 02, 2011, 11:39:35 AM
BFA stand by bribe claim
By Stephen Wright (Royal Gazette)


Published Jun 2, 2011 at 8:59 am (Updated Jun 2, 2011 at 8:57 am)

The Bermuda Football Association have stood by their statement which helped expose FIFA’s alleged cash for votes scandal despite 13 Caribbean nations insisting no such offers were made.

It’s been reported the BFA were among seven whistle-blowers who refused cash bribes from top FIFA executives Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner for their votes in yesterday’s presidential election.

But those claims have been rebuffed by 13 of Bermuda’s Caribbean associates who have written statements supporting suspended Concacaf president Warner’s denial any such offers were made.

The alleged cash bribes $40,000 offered to each of the region’s 25 nations were made at last month’s Caribbean Football Union’s (CFU) special summit in Trinidad, which was attended by BFA second vice-president Gregory Grimes and general secretary David Sabir.

Lifting the lid on the worst corruption scandal to blight FIFA was lead whistle-blower the Bahamas, whose claims were backed by statements from Bermuda, Cayman Islands and Turks and Caicos.

And despite yesterday’s show of support for disgraced Concacaf chief Warner by many Caribbean FAs, Bermuda are standing by their statement.

BFA president Larry Mussenden told The Royal Gazette: “Bermuda has stated its position to the investigators and we stand by that position.”

But, in an attempt to avoid souring relations with the Island’s other Caribbean neighbours, Mussenden stressed: “Bermuda isn’t against what any other Caribbean nation is saying. We only speak for what we know which is only the extent of our experience.”

Caribbean football officials have been warned to pay back any cash that they may have been given during the controversial meeting in Trinidad or face investigation as part of the corruption probe rocking FIFA.

The warning came from Chuck Blazer, the general secretary of Concacaf, who first revealed the bribery allegations last week. Blazer has since been embroiled in a war of words with acting Concacaf president Lisle Austin, who attempted to fire him as the crisis deepened within the region.

Asked about the growing divide at the heart of the confederation, Mussenden said: “It’s quite apparent to everyone that Concacaf is having some current difficulties.”

Mussenden, who attended yesterday’s election in Zurich, Switzerland, added: “We, the BFA, hope the current issues can be resolved so that Concacaf can get on in the business of football development in the region. The BFA will try our best to assist all parties to resolve those issues, whatever they may be.”

Sepp Blatter was re-elected unopposed as FIFA president yesterday, promising to use his final four-year term for radical reform of a sport reeling from bribery and corruption allegations.

Delegates gave Blatter overwhelming backing to transform football’s governing body from within, rejecting a call from England to delay the election and then giving the Swiss 186 of the 203 votes cast. The election was a formality after Hammam dropped out of the race in the wake of the cash for bribes allegations.

Among those backing Blatter to steer the FIFA ship back on course was Bermuda, who voted for the scandal-hit 75-year-old.

“We extend our congratulations to president Blatter on behalf of the Bermuda Football Association and we look forward to his continued support,” said Mussenden.

“The CFU and Concacaf have traditionally voted as a unit and it appears that trend has overwhelmingly continued into this election with a show of support for Sepp Blatter.”
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: weary1969 on June 02, 2011, 11:43:22 AM
Cayman/Bermuda/Turks all Bristish Overseas Territories. How come dey eh say is d Mother Country who tell them to say dey were bribed?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: E-man on June 02, 2011, 01:17:47 PM
Jamaica denies taking bribe in Bin Hammam meeting
Times of India


KINGSTON (Jamaica): The Jamaica Football Federation (JFF) has denied allegations it accepted a bribe during a meeting with suspended Asian Football Confederation president Mohamed Bin Hammam.

In a statement on Thursday, JFF president Horace Burrell said no money was offered to Jamaica to vote for Bin Hammam during last month's meetings of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) in Trinidad & Tobago.

"Let me state categorically the JFF was not offered, neither received any funds prior to, during or after the CFU meetings held on May 10-11 in Trinidad," said Burrell who is acting as CFU president in the absence of the suspended Jack Warner.

Qatari Bin Hammam, who was due to stand against Sepp Blatter in this week's FIFA presidential election before he withdrew his candidacy last Sunday and was subsequently banned by world soccer's ruling body, has strongly denied any wrongdoing.

On Sunday FIFA's ethics committee was given a report, compiled on behalf of CONCACAF general secretary Chuck Blazer, containing details of the CFU meetings and statements that cash payments were made.

The Puerto Rico Football Federation confirmed to FIFA it did receive the money and has offered to pay it back while the Bahamas Football Federation says it was offered but did not accept the cash.

Burrell's statement followed calls by former Jamaica Prime Minister and now head of the Jamaica Premier League Clubs Association (PLCA) Edward Seaga for regional federations to declare whether or not they had been offered money at the meetings.

'GREAT SORROW'

"To restore the integrity of the region the present leaders of the CFU must call on all the federations which received and kept the $40,000 bribe to return it forthwith or face public disclosure of the identity of these Caribbean federations which are corrupt by holding the integrity of the region to ransom," Seaga said in a statement.

"This act of corruption involves the reputation of the Caribbean football federations and has shamed the reputation of football, much to the great sorrow of lovers of the game and other well-thinking people."

Burrell replied by saying Seaga had overstepped the mark. "The statement appears to have tried, found guilty and pronounced sentence on an entire region's football associations despite the fact the competent authority to adjudicate these matters has come to no such conclusion," said Burrell.

"In fact FIFA's ethics committee is currently considering the matter and we await the final outcome of its investigation and due process.

"Despite this public knowledge the PLCA's chairman has inexplicably sought to tarnish the reputations of at least 30 member associations of the CFU with what can only be described as reckless, unproven allegations and acts of corruption.

"The JFF calls for the PLCA chairman to either provide the public and indeed the FIFA ethics committee with any evidence he has to corroborate these allegations or cease to engage in this denigration of an entire region's reputation forthwith by withdrawing this release," added Burrell.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: g on June 02, 2011, 01:33:37 PM
I eh go lie, dis is real mafia business.

How can I get in on this?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Coop's on June 02, 2011, 02:09:59 PM
Boy i like this scandal too bad,the truth will always prevail,keep waiting for Jack to get caught alyu will get grey.England and the US set up their own self,they going to get caught in their own net.

What's interesting is that all the Caribbean islands were bribed but 13 of them say they never received anything and that includes Jamaica who you all hate so much and who you all say don't like T&T.

What you all don't realize is yes we are the smallest country to ever qualify for a WC finals and that's history but we created history long before that and it's affecting the super powers of Football,T&T is too small to be dictating to these big countries what to do,you know how long Jack wanted to qualify for a WC just to have a little more weight when he sits at the table with them.

That's my reason for always bringing us the race issue,they want to get him out long time,as much as we does say he keeping back or have kept back our Football etc etc in the end judge for yourselves.   
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: royal on June 02, 2011, 02:26:11 PM
Boy i like this scandal too bad,the truth will always prevail,keep waiting for Jack to get caught alyu will get grey.England and the US set up their own self,they going to get caught in their own net.

What's interesting is that all the Caribbean islands were bribed but 13 of them say they never received anything and that includes Jamaica who you all hate so much and who you all say don't like T&T.

What you all don't realize is yes we are the smallest country to ever qualify for a WC finals and that's history but we created history long before that and it's affecting the super powers of Football,T&T is too small to be dictating to these big countries what to do,you know how long Jack wanted to qualify for a WC just to have a little more weight when he sits at the table with them.

That's my reason for always bringing us the race issue,they want to get him out long time,as much as we does say he keeping back or have kept back our Football etc etc in the end judge for yourselves.   



Coop's this is not a Jamaica supporting Trinidad ting.This is simply Horace Burrell supporting his pardna Jack who he owes a lot to just like Austin form Barbados
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Coop's on June 02, 2011, 02:49:56 PM
Boy i like this scandal too bad,the truth will always prevail,keep waiting for Jack to get caught alyu will get grey.England and the US set up their own self,they going to get caught in their own net.

What's interesting is that all the Caribbean islands were bribed but 13 of them say they never received anything and that includes Jamaica who you all hate so much and who you all say don't like T&T.

What you all don't realize is yes we are the smallest country to ever qualify for a WC finals and that's history but we created history long before that and it's affecting the super powers of Football,T&T is too small to be dictating to these big countries what to do,you know how long Jack wanted to qualify for a WC just to have a little more weight when he sits at the table with them.

That's my reason for always bringing us the race issue,they want to get him out long time,as much as we does say he keeping back or have kept back our Football etc etc in the end judge for yourselves.   



Coop's this is not a Jamaica supporting Trinidad ting.This is simply Horace Burrell supporting his pardna Jack who he owes a lot to just like Austin form Barbados
        Breds is 13 countries did not receive any so who is who pardna.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 02, 2011, 02:55:26 PM
Boy i like this scandal too bad,the truth will always prevail,keep waiting for Jack to get caught alyu will get grey.England and the US set up their own self,they going to get caught in their own net.

What's interesting is that all the Caribbean islands were bribed but 13 of them say they never received anything and that includes Jamaica who you all hate so much and who you all say don't like T&T.

What you all don't realize is yes we are the smallest country to ever qualify for a WC finals and that's history but we created history long before that and it's affecting the super powers of Football,T&T is too small to be dictating to these big countries what to do,you know how long Jack wanted to qualify for a WC just to have a little more weight when he sits at the table with them.

That's my reason for always bringing us the race issue,they want to get him out long time,as much as we does say he keeping back or have kept back our Football etc etc in the end judge for yourselves.   

I don't understand what England have to do with anything though... it wasn't England who levelled the bribery charges it was Chuck Blazer.  If the US wanted to get Jack out for racial reasons why did they wait all this time?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Coop's on June 02, 2011, 03:21:05 PM
Boy i like this scandal too bad,the truth will always prevail,keep waiting for Jack to get caught alyu will get grey.England and the US set up their own self,they going to get caught in their own net.

What's interesting is that all the Caribbean islands were bribed but 13 of them say they never received anything and that includes Jamaica who you all hate so much and who you all say don't like T&T.

What you all don't realize is yes we are the smallest country to ever qualify for a WC finals and that's history but we created history long before that and it's affecting the super powers of Football,T&T is too small to be dictating to these big countries what to do,you know how long Jack wanted to qualify for a WC just to have a little more weight when he sits at the table with them.

That's my reason for always bringing us the race issue,they want to get him out long time,as much as we does say he keeping back or have kept back our Football etc etc in the end judge for yourselves.   

I don't understand what England have to do with anything though... it wasn't England who levelled the bribery charges it was Chuck Blazer.  If the US wanted to get Jack out for racial reasons why did they wait all this time?
        No no Bakes don't misunderstand me here,i did not say they wanted to get rid of him for racial reasons,what i said was they want to get rid of him because T&T too small to be dictating to the super powers what they should or should not do,he carrying too much weight.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Jayerson on June 02, 2011, 03:21:25 PM
I absolutely do not think this has anything to do with race at all. More to do with allegiances if anything. I find it a bit peculiar though that the countries that are saying that the bribes took place/sold out Jack and Bin Hammam are Bahamas, Bermuda, Turks and Caicos, Puerto Rico....from my cursory knowledge of these places...they all have great allegiance (either polictically or economically) to the US and Turks and Caicos and Cayman Islands to the UK. None of them are what we will call West Indian countries.

So this all seems a bit strange to me...clearly this is politricks to the highest from all sides,
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Coop's on June 02, 2011, 03:32:24 PM
I absolutely do not think this has anything to do with race at all. More to do with allegiances if anything. I find it a bit peculiar though that the countries that are saying that the bribes took place/sold out Jack and Bin Hammam are Bahamas, Bermuda, Turks and Caicos, Puerto Rico....from my cursory knowledge of these places...they all have great allegiance (either polictically or economically) to the US and Turks and Caicos and Cayman Islands to the UK. None of them are what we will call West Indian countries.

So this all seems a bit strange to me...clearly this is politricks to the highest from all sides,
      Thanks Breds, All i'm saying guys is don't hang the man yet,i know how desperate you all are,you all read one thing and i'm reading something else so don't be annoyed with me.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 02, 2011, 04:02:19 PM
        No no Bakes don't misunderstand me here,i did not say they wanted to get rid of him for racial reasons,what i said was they want to get rid of him because T&T too small to be dictating to the super powers what they should or should not do,he carrying too much weight.

Ok... I saw you mention "that's why I always keep bringing up the race issue", that's why I mentioned it.  As for him carrying too much weight, it can't be that though... at least that does not explain Blazer's actions. Jack and Blazer were two peas in a pod and Blazer probably benefitted more from Jack than vice versa.  That's a relationship that has been 21 yrs in the making, the last 11 spent with Jack as an ExCo member.  So why all of a sudden Blazer decide Jack carrying toe much weight?  More likely to me is that something came down from Zurich that cause Blazer to act.

As for the English... Jack is no different from the other other ExCo members from small nations, many of them former colonies with axe to grind.  So what make Jack so special that they'd target him?  Besides, them ent have nutten to do with these bribery allegations... they alleged bribery for the WC bid, of which he was cleared (big surprise), but not in the Presidency voting.

I absolutely do not think this has anything to do with race at all. More to do with allegiances if anything. I find it a bit peculiar though that the countries that are saying that the bribes took place/sold out Jack and Bin Hammam are Bahamas, Bermuda, Turks and Caicos, Puerto Rico....from my cursory knowledge of these places...they all have great allegiance (either polictically or economically) to the US and Turks and Caicos and Cayman Islands to the UK. None of them are what we will call West Indian countries.

So this all seems a bit strange to me...clearly this is politricks to the highest from all sides,

The flip side of the argument is that because of this it was harder for Jack to bribe them... they not as closely affiliated to him.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on June 02, 2011, 04:19:28 PM
Jayerson, you say "I absolutely do not think this has anything to do with race at all" Then you say "None of them are what we will call West Indian countries."

If you really want to go down that route, be prepared for a racist backlash. You're saying those countries are British & US influenced. British & US people will say "damn right, they ain't like the dodgy West Indians who would murder and steal from anyone"

Racism is like a tennis ball, mate. You hit one out there and it provides the ammunition to hit one straight back at you. Now, maybe you really did mean it in a political or economic sense, but unfortunatly it doesn't come across that way.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: soccerrama on June 02, 2011, 04:24:33 PM
My question?
There are 25 members of CFU, 5 reported that they were offered bribes, 13 disputed that, so the balance of
7 what are they saying, why are they quiet.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Coop's on June 02, 2011, 04:27:03 PM
Bakes,he from T&T and you know how special we are  :devil:just kidding,you eh see the effect it have on the forum,peeps shame etc etc
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: dreamer on June 02, 2011, 05:26:11 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/grant_wahl/06/02/fifa.2022/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

U.S. could benefit from a potential 2022 World Cup revote by FIFA
Thursday June 2, 2011
SI.com

The e-mails and Twitter questions kept pouring in this week: Why was
 the U.S. Soccer Federation staying radio silent on the shenanigans at FIFA? Why didn't U.S. Soccer president Sunil Gulati take the moral high ground and publicly back England's call to postpone Wednesday's FIFA presidential election amid corruption investigations at world soccer's highest levels? And was the U.S. actually voting for incumbent FIFA president Sepp Blatter?

The answer, it turns out, is simple. Blatter may be a ruthless strongman presiding over an organization rife with corruption, but you know what? From U.S. Soccer's perspective he's a ruthless strongman who's still in charge and happens to be on our side. And in the end, Blatter provides the best chance the U.S. has to take over the prize that matters most to Gulati: hosting World Cup 2022 in the United States.

That brings up two big questions: Is it possible that Qatar might lose the hosting rights that it won for World Cup '22 in a 14-8 final-round vote against the U.S. last December? And has U.S. Soccer surrendered its credibility by failing to speak out against Blatter, who "won" four more years atop FIFA on Wednesday in an election that had only one candidate?

Let's break it down:

Is a revote for the World Cup '22 host back on the table? Not yet, but it could be down the road. The strongest indication yet came on Wednesday when German federation president Theo Swanziger called for an investigation of the controversial vote that gave Qatar World Cup '22. "There is a considerable degree of suspicion that one cannot sweep aside," Swanziger said. "This needs to be examined anew."

Swanziger is a close Blatter ally who replaced German Franz Beckenbauer this week on FIFA's powerful 24-man executive committee. And while there's no concrete evidence yet that Qatar broke the rules in its bid, there are reasons for an investigation into the 2022 bid process. For starters, the most powerful Qatari in world soccer, Mohamed bin Hammam, is already suspended and under investigation for allegedly trying to bribe Caribbean voters with up to $1 million in his campaign for the FIFA presidency. (He has denied the charges but did withdraw from the election last Saturday.)

If Bin Hammam is found guilty of bribery, it would raise additional questions about his role in Qatar's World Cup bid. What's more, Blatter announced a "zero tolerance" policy for corruption this week, and one of the best ways to back that up would be to conduct a thorough forensic investigation into every bid for World Cup '22: Qatar, the U.S., Australia, Japan and South Korea. If it turned up wrongdoing on Qatar's part, then there could be a revote. If it didn't, then Qatar could say it was a completely clean vote and keep the World Cup.

There are a few things to keep in mind here from the American perspective. One, Blatter almost certainly voted for the U.S. against Qatar last December. Two, Blatter may feel like he owes a big favor to Chuck Blazer, the U.S. member of the FIFA executive committee who turned in the detailed bribery allegations that led to Bin Hammam's departure from the FIFA presidential race. (Bin Hammam was Blatter's only nominated challenger.)

And three, Blatter announced this week the formation of a new "Solutions" committee that would identify problems in FIFA, including corruption, and have the power to conduct supposedly legitimate investigations. Some of the members of this committee might come from outside FIFA, said Blatter, who mentioned two names in particular. One was Johan Cruyff, the legendary Dutch player, and another was (wait for it) former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, a soccer fan and Blatter friend who also happened to be on the U.S.'s World Cup '22 bid committee.

(Side note: It's revealing that Blatter's model for reform is one of the highest-ranking members of the Nixon administration.)

Still, a World Cup '22 investigation and potential revote are by no means guaranteed. Germany's Swanziger may have called for an investigation, but it's also believed that his FIFA ExCo predecessor, Beckenbauer, voted for Qatar instead of the U.S. bid. Questions also remain over what Bin Hammam might have received from Blatter in any backroom deal to get out of the FIFA presidential race. Is it possible that Blatter told him he wouldn't support an investigation into Qatar's World Cup bid? Perhaps.

If the U.S. doesn't get World Cup '22, was it still worthwhile to keep quiet and not join England in taking a public stand against Blatter's FIFA? Here's where it gets tricky. Do I think U.S. Soccer's Gulati would love to call out Blatter and FIFA after December's vote for World Cup '22? Yes, I do. Do I think Gulati realized that wasn't in his interests? Of course.

Some U.S. soccer fans would say the USSF shouldn't have supported Blatter under any circumstances. Others would say engaging in realpolitik would be fine as long as the U.S. get to host World Cup '22, but if that doesn't happen then the U.S. is supporting a dictator without getting anything meaningful in return.

U.S. Soccer would argue, however, that while the U.S. and English FAs are on good terms, the U.S. is in a different situation. The benefit of taking a public stand against Blatter is high for England's FA: It takes the moral high ground, and the message plays well in the English media, which has covered the FIFA controversies with far more scrutiny and column inches than any other country's press corps. Plus, England has lower chances than Antarctica of hosting a future World Cup, considering the way FIFA officials attacked England on Wednesday.

U.S. Soccer, on the other hand, clearly feels that it wasn't in its interests to publicly oppose Blatter if it knew he was going to win. For one thing, there hasn't been nearly as much coverage of the FIFA election in the U.S. as in England, so the benefit of taking a stand wouldn't be as high for the USSF. And U.S. Soccer must feel that it still needs Blatter's FIFA to support (or, at the very least, not oppose) a number of things other than World Cup '22 as the sport continues its development in America.

What could those things be?

World Cup TV rights for 2018 and '22. In 2006, Blatter's FIFA did U.S. Soccer and MLS a favor by agreeing not to accept a $350 million bid for the TV rights for World Cups '10 and '14 from NBC, which had no interest in committing to showing MLS or other international games. Instead FIFA later accepted a $325 million bid from Univisión (Spanish) and a $100 million bid from ESPN (English), which agreed to increase soccer's domestic exposure by doing deals with MLS and U.S. Soccer as well.

The U.S. TV rights for World Cups '18 and '22 will be up for bidding in the not-too-distant future, and U.S. Soccer would prefer that Blatter's FIFA choose a partner (read: ESPN) that also has a commitment to MLS and U.S. Soccer.

Continued FIFA approval of MLS's unique aspects. If it was up to Blatter, MLS would never include more than 20 teams (it currently has 18 and plans to expand beyond 20) and would play a fall-to-spring schedule (instead of a summer slate). Blatter might also have issues with MLS's single-entity structure and lack of promotion and relegation, but FIFA hasn't tried to crack down on those things during the years that U.S. Soccer has supported Blatter. Without that support, things might change.

Keep in mind, too, that Blatter's FIFA did U.S. Soccer and MLS a big favor in 2009 by not intervening in collective-bargaining negotiations between MLS and its players, despite calls to do so from FIFPro, the international players union. If Blatter wanted to make life difficult for U.S. Soccer and MLS, FIFA could change its stance on that also.

Are those reasons enough to justify U.S. Soccer's silence this week and support of Blatter? Not in my book, especially if the U.S. isn't able to host World Cup '22. I also happen to think the U.S. isn't nearly as weak in international circles as U.S. Soccer's actions this week would make you think. After all, more tickets for World Cup 2010 were bought from the U.S. than from any country outside of host South Africa, and the highest World Cup TV rights fees on the planet came from (you guessed it) the United States. Even if U.S. Soccer had called out Blatter's FIFA, he would have been foolish to antagonize such a promising giant market for the sport.

What on earth is going on in CONCACAF? The biggest loser of the week was Jack Warner, the CONCACAF president who's suspended from all soccer activities while FIFA conducts an investigation into allegations that he and Bin Hammam tried to bribe Caribbean FA leaders with up to $1 million in cash in exchange for their FIFA presidential election votes. (Warner denies the charges.)

Here, too, Americans were at the center of the story. The most fascinating personal aspect of the week's events was that Blazer, CONCACAF's general secretary, turned on Warner after they had worked hand-in-hand for 21 years atop the confederation. It was Blazer who asked John Collins, a Chicago-based lawyer, to assemble a dossier of evidence for FIFA.

Warner, long one of the most powerful men in world soccer, now faces the possibility of being banned for life from FIFA pending an investigation. And in Warner's absence things have turned farcical in CONCACAF.

The acting CONCACAF president, Warner ally Lisle Austin of Barbados, announced he had fired Blazer from his confederation post, while the CONCACAF executive committee riposted that Blazer would stay in power since Austin had no authority under CONCACAF rules to do so. By Thursday, both sides were lawyering up, and there remained a possibility that CONCACAF might split between the Caribbean nations (which comprise 25 of the confederation's 35 voting members) and the nations from North and Central America.

This story is a long way from being finished. FIFA's investigation into Warner and Bin Hammam's bribery charges will include the Caribbean soccer officials who accepted the alleged $40,000 cash bribes. One can imagine they may also be offered plea agreements to provide evidence against Warner and Bin Hammam.

Against that backdrop, CONCACAF was planning to host its showpiece event (the Gold Cup) starting this weekend in the United States. Chances are that what happens on the field will be, much like the UEFA Champions League final, a welcome relief from the nonsense we've seen in FIFA over the past week.

Such is life in world fútbol politics, where U.S. Soccer has held its nose (to say nothing of its tongue) and chosen a position not unlike that of Henry Kissinger and the Nixon administration in the 1970s: supporting a thoroughly distasteful strongman (Blatter) whose policies may well turn out to be in the U.S.' interest.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: soccerrama on June 03, 2011, 05:23:38 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/international/8553478/Fifas-investigation-into-bribery-allegations-against-Mohamed-Bin-Hammam-and-Jack-Warner-takes-new-twist.html
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Brownsugar on June 03, 2011, 06:54:03 AM
Check some of the comments below the article....

"Are there any people on the FIFA executive committee from countries which actually play football?

Trinidad & Tobago (world ranking 95)
Sri Lanka (169)
Thailand (120)
Qatar (92)

Sri Lanka are behind Chinese Taipei, Swaziland, Liechtenstein, Cayman Islands and Vanuatu (which I have never even heard of) - why on Earth do they have a representative of the 22-strong FIFA executive committee?"





"..why on Earth do they have a representative of the 22-strong FIFA executive committee?'

Probably because they are corruptible people from countries in which corruption is a way of life therefore backhanders and all-expenses-paid Fifa junkets like the one in Geneva go a long way to making them even more bidable. "





"I bet these countries don't even know the rules of the game..."

That last one reeks of we-still-swing-on-trees-like-monkeys........ ::)
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: weary1969 on June 03, 2011, 08:59:25 AM
Anybody have a link to the Daily Telegraph. I was reliably informed that FIFA hired an ex FBI to investigate Jack.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: futbolfan on June 03, 2011, 09:08:40 AM
Check some of the comments below the article....

"Are there any people on the FIFA executive committee from countries which actually play football?

Trinidad & Tobago (world ranking 95)
Sri Lanka (169)
Thailand (120)
Qatar (92)

Sri Lanka are behind Chinese Taipei, Swaziland, Liechtenstein, Cayman Islands and Vanuatu (which I have never even heard of) - why on Earth do they have a representative of the 22-strong FIFA executive committee?"





"..why on Earth do they have a representative of the 22-strong FIFA executive committee?'

Probably because they are corruptible people from countries in which corruption is a way of life therefore backhanders and all-expenses-paid Fifa junkets like the one in Geneva go a long way to making them even more bidable. "





"I bet these countries don't even know the rules of the game..."

That last one reeks of we-still-swing-on-trees-like-monkeys........ ::)

or better yet we does still lime on de beach all day and drink coconut water.  :-\
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: soccerrama on June 03, 2011, 09:24:24 AM
Anybody have a link to the Daily Telegraph. I was reliably informed that FIFA hired an ex FBI to investigate Jack.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/international/8553478/Fifas-investigation-into-bribery-allegations-against-Mohamed-Bin-Hammam-and-Jack-Warner-takes-new-twist.html
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: weary1969 on June 03, 2011, 10:07:47 AM
Anybody have a link to the Daily Telegraph. I was reliably informed that FIFA hired an ex FBI to investigate Jack.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/international/8553478/Fifas-investigation-into-bribery-allegations-against-Mohamed-Bin-Hammam-and-Jack-Warner-takes-new-twist.html

Much appreciated
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on June 03, 2011, 01:28:47 PM
Brown Sugar, I understand your defensiveness but I also understand why people in so-called 1st world countries ask the question. At least T&T made a WC finals. But if you wanted an organisation to run, say, the motor industry, it makes sense to have the biggest manufacturers. Of course, many decisions would benefit them, but then, they have the most consumers, employees etc.

Trinidad & Tobago (world ranking 95)
Sri Lanka (169)
Thailand (120)
Qatar (92)

Qatars entire population is probably less than the number of regular football players in Brazil, USA, Argentina, England, Germany, Italy etc

The devolvement of power is not a bad thing. The problem is, is easy to abuse and manipulate. A German exco member probably wouldn't take a $40,000 bribe coz its too small to risk taking, but to smaller countries like, say, Jamaica, thats enough to buy half a decent house or a nice new Hilux.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: davyjenny1 on June 03, 2011, 02:29:03 PM
From: The Tribune
Published On:Tuesday, May 31, 2011

By AVA TURNQUEST

Tribune Staff Reporter

aturnquest@tribunemedia.net

http://www.tribune242.com/06012011_at-BFAfifa_news_pg1

According to the affidavit, Mr Sealey texted: "I'm disappointed but not surprised. It is important that [we] maintain our integrity when the story is told. That money will not make or break our association. You can leave with your head high."

In that meeting, Mr Warner reportedly explained that he had "instructed Mr Bin Hammam to bring the cash equivalent of any gift he had intended to bring" for representatives and that the money was free to use "for any purpose."


"Those are some telling  remarks If it is true"
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 03, 2011, 04:33:40 PM
Brown Sugar, I understand your defensiveness but I also understand why people in so-called 1st world countries ask the question. At least T&T made a WC finals. But if you wanted an organisation to run, say, the motor industry, it makes sense to have the biggest manufacturers. Of course, many decisions would benefit them, but then, they have the most consumers, employees etc.

Trinidad & Tobago (world ranking 95)
Sri Lanka (169)
Thailand (120)
Qatar (92)

Qatars entire population is probably less than the number of regular football players in Brazil, USA, Argentina, England, Germany, Italy etc

The devolvement of power is not a bad thing. The problem is, is easy to abuse and manipulate. A German exco member probably wouldn't take a $40,000 bribe coz its too small to risk taking, but to smaller countries like, say, Jamaica, thats enough to buy half a decent house or a nice new Hilux.

What does size and on-field football acumen have to do with ability to run an organization?  Do you want the largest car manufacturers running the motor industry or do you want the best people?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: dreamer on June 03, 2011, 05:31:01 PM
Anybody have a link to the Daily Telegraph. I was reliably informed that FIFA hired an ex FBI to investigate Jack.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/international/8553478/Fifas-investigation-into-bribery-allegations-against-Mohamed-Bin-Hammam-and-Jack-Warner-takes-new-twist.html

Fifa's investigation into bribery allegations against Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner takes new twist
Fifa's FBI-led investigation into bribery allegations against Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner has been contacted by new witnesses who claim they can support the accusations, Telegraph Sport can disclose.

..The independent investigation is being led by the former director of the FBI Louis Freeh, who was appointed last week and is working under the direction of the Fifa ethics committee.....

Since Freeh opened the investigation last week a number of national associations present at a meeting in Trinidad, at which $1 million (£600,000) in bribes are alleged to have been offered, have made contact.





Excellent that the FBI is on to Jackula and his current disciples of convenience
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 03, 2011, 07:17:15 PM

Excellent that the FBI is on to Jackula and his current disciples of convenience

Doh get too excited... the FBI not involved in this case.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Zeppo on June 04, 2011, 07:20:41 AM
The latest blog entry from Bill Archer at BigSoccer:


Stick a Fork in Jack Warner (http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/blog.php?b=11506)

Because if Blatter is to cling to any kind of legitimacy, it will be because he makes enough noise and smoke about "reform" and "corruption", a position which looks insincere if not ludicrous as long as he has Jack Warner sitting next to him.

Long before the election campaign, it was widely thought that Warner was Blatters' biggest problem and the speculation was that the Old Swiss Codger would dearly love to rid himself of the constant embarrassment if only he could.

Well now he can.

Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: truetrini on June 04, 2011, 09:56:58 AM
The latest blog entry from Bill Archer at BigSoccer:


Stick a Fork in Jack Warner (http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/blog.php?b=11506)

Because if Blatter is to cling to any kind of legitimacy, it will be because he makes enough noise and smoke about "reform" and "corruption", a position which looks insincere if not ludicrous as long as he has Jack Warner sitting next to him.

Long before the election campaign, it was widely thought that Warner was Blatters' biggest problem and the speculation was that the Old Swiss Codger would dearly love to rid himself of the constant embarrassment if only he could.

Well now he can.


Exactly, I have said it here before, Blatter wants to be rid of Jack...not like some feel dey are frens or such...Blatter just had to wait and make sure he is firmly entrenched without Jacko's help..and he did so this time
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: E-man on June 04, 2011, 10:01:07 AM
The latest blog entry from Bill Archer at BigSoccer:


Stick a Fork in Jack Warner (http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/blog.php?b=11506)

Because if Blatter is to cling to any kind of legitimacy, it will be because he makes enough noise and smoke about "reform" and "corruption", a position which looks insincere if not ludicrous as long as he has Jack Warner sitting next to him.

Long before the election campaign, it was widely thought that Warner was Blatters' biggest problem and the speculation was that the Old Swiss Codger would dearly love to rid himself of the constant embarrassment if only he could.

Well now he can.



Yeah, if this is the last term that Blatter cares about he is free to burn all the bridges he wants. And I think that is clearly happening here with Warner.

Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: soccerrama on June 04, 2011, 10:23:59 AM
The saga continues, Lisle Austin has now been suspended.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/dcunited/concacaf-suspends-acting-president-lisle-austin-for-allegedly-violation-rules/2011/06/04/AGDNznIH_story.html?wprss=rss_dcunited

CONCACAF suspends acting president Lisle Austin for alleged rules violations

By Associated Press, Updated: Saturday, June 4, 11:17 AM

NEW YORK — Acting CONCACAF president Lisle Austin has been suspended by the continental federation for allegedly violating rules.

The provisional ban applies to Austin’s activities with CONCACAF and in his native Barbados. CONCACAF, which represents North and Central America and the Carribean, is also asking FIFA to extend Austin’s suspension to soccer duties worldwide until his full hearing July 13.

CONCACAF vice president Alfredo Hawit of Honduras is now the acting president.

CONCACAF did not say what Austin did to merit the suspension, which took effect Thursday. But he tried to remove Chuck Blazer as secretary general in retaliation for Blazer’s bribery allegations against longtime CONCACAF leader Jack Warner and fellow FIFA executive committee member Mohamed bin Hammam. CONCACAF’s executive committee quickly rebuffed Austin’s move, saying he lacked the power to remove Blazer.

Warner and bin Hammam were suspended by FIFA after Blazer accused them of offering Caribbean officials $40,000 each in exchange for their votes in last Wednesday’s presidential election. Bin Hammam had been the only challenger to Sepp Blatter, who was elected unopposed to a fourth term.

Austin also tried to sever CONCACAF’s relationship with John P. Collins, a former federal prosecutor who investigated Blazer’s allegations and prepared the report for FIFA. Collins represents CONCACAF, and also sits on FIFA’s legal committee.

Collins’ signature is on the notice of Austin’s suspension.

The announcement comes one day before the start of the Gold Cup, CONCACAF’s premier event. The tournament is being played in 13 cities across the United States, and the winner will earn a spot in the 2013 Confederations Cup, the all-important World Cup tune-up.

http://www.football365.co.uk/story/0,17033,8652_6965902,00.html


LISLE AUSTIN SUSPENDED BY CONCACAF


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 The power struggle at CONCACAF continued on Saturday after acting president Lisle Austin was provisionally banned for an alleged rule violation.
 
The Barbados official has been acting as president of the North, Central American and Caribbean governing body in Jack Warner's absence.
 
FIFA's ethics committee suspended Warner from all football-related activity pending the outcome of a full inquiry into bribery accusations made by fellow executive committee member Chuck Blazer.
 
Austin was drafted in as CONCACAF chief but, according to a statement on www.concacaf.com, he has now been suspended, with Honduran official Alfredo Hawit appointed in his place.
 
The statement read: "Lisle Austin has been provisionally banned from all football activities within CONCACAF and at the national level by a majority of the CONCACAF Executive Committee members for apparent infringement of the CONCACAF Statutes.
 
"This suspension took effect on Thursday, June 2, 2011. Notice of this suspension is being sent to FIFA to be extended worldwide.
 
"As the senior most Vice President of CONCACAF, Alfredo Hawit, assumes the role of acting President under the CONCACAF Statutes."
 
Austin and Blazer have been at loggerheads this week as the former attempted to sack the FIFA whistle-blower.
 
However, CONCACAF general secretary Blazer slapped down the threat and a statement on the body's website said the move was an "unauthorised declaration".
 
Austin will face a hearing on July 13 and has until June 13 to appeal the provisional ban. The Notice of Provisional Measure did not specify the case details.
 




Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: weary1969 on June 04, 2011, 10:32:18 AM
I thought dey have soaps on d weekend now Austin suspended lawd fadder.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: mukumsplau on June 04, 2011, 11:01:27 AM
 :rotfl: :rotfl: dis is rel comedy
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: D.H.W on June 04, 2011, 11:03:10 AM
 :heehee:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Brownsugar on June 04, 2011, 11:30:49 AM
According to the great Anil Roberts....

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Nah dem fellas good boy.....mih popcorn stocks cyar keep up!!!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: vb on June 04, 2011, 12:06:57 PM
The latest blog entry from Bill Archer at BigSoccer:


Stick a Fork in Jack Warner (http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/blog.php?b=11506)

Because if Blatter is to cling to any kind of legitimacy, it will be because he makes enough noise and smoke about "reform" and "corruption", a position which looks insincere if not ludicrous as long as he has Jack Warner sitting next to him.

Long before the election campaign, it was widely thought that Warner was Blatters' biggest problem and the speculation was that the Old Swiss Codger would dearly love to rid himself of the constant embarrassment if only he could.

Well now he can.


Exactly, I have said it here before, Blatter wants to be rid of Jack...not like some feel dey are frens or such...Blatter just had to wait and make sure he is firmly entrenched without Jacko's help..and he did so this time

I think what really piss off Blatter is that Jack was going to support Bin Hamman. Blatter was lucky the US was pissed that Jack blank them for Qatar. Sepp and Chuck make a behind de scenes play. Bin Hamman get blank, Wanrer get suspended. JW try to come crawling back to Massah Sepp, but it eh work. Worse yet he ally, Austi juss get blank. JW really in a corner. The only thing he had going for him is that he knew where skeletons were buried. But strangely nobody talking about the 1 million Sepp alleedly gave to CONCACAF.

If Jack get out of dis one, he is truly Lazarus.

I only waiting for him to say is because he black.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 04, 2011, 12:31:42 PM
:rotfl: :rotfl: dis is rel comedy

It's really not that funny when you stop and analyze the situation... it appears very clear to me that Blazer is trying to coalesce power within his grip.  Blazer in my book is an even greater threat than Jack Warner and in many ways, none of which has to do with his nationality.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: dreamer on June 04, 2011, 07:38:20 PM
Read more International Soccer - Wire Posted on Sat, Jun. 04, 2011
Blazer is witty, gregarious and a whistleblower
By NANCY ARMOUR
AP National Writer


Chuck Blazer is a dead ringer for Santa Claus, has a pet parrot that squawks in the background during phone calls, and blogs about his travels and those of his friends - including Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin. Accompanied by Putin's own photos, no less.

He is gregarious, witty and, with a list of confidantes and contacts spanning the globe, seems an unlikely choice to spark the worst crisis in FIFA's 107-year history, accusing two officials of offering Caribbean soccer leaders $40,000 each in exchange for votes in the presidential election. But the only American on FIFA's powerful executive committee has spent 30 years promoting soccer and has shown before that he will step in when he feels the game is being shortchanged.

"He's been a tireless advocate for soccer, not only in America but in this hemisphere," said John Skipper, the executive vice president of content for ESPN, which has broadcast the last five World Cups and has the rights to the 2014 event in Brazil.

Blazer accused FIFA vice president Jack Warner and fellow executive committee member Mohamed bin Hammam of bribery in connection with last Wednesday's election. Bin Hammam had been the lone challenger to Sepp Blatter, who was elected unopposed to a fourth term after Warner and bin Hammam were suspended pending a full investigation.

Accusations of shadiness are nothing new for FIFA. Blazer himself was described by a federal judge as giving testimony that was "generally without credibility based on his attitude and demeanor and on his evasive answers on cross-examination" when MasterCard sued FIFA, alleging its sponsorship rights were illegally terminated. Executive committee members travel the world in high style, staying in five-star hotels and eating in the finest restaurants.

(The photo on the front page of Blazer's blog shows him in a private jet with Nelson Mandela, and he mentions eating at New York's tony Eleven Madison Park after a meeting last year.)

"There are resources and there are folks who could benefit from them who are not getting them," said Mel Brennan, who worked at CONCACAF, which represents North and Central America and the Caribbean, from February 2001 to September 2003. "The use of money for political ends is the mode and modus of world football governing bodies. There's nobody in a position of power, influence, authority and leverage to say, 'Hey, all these assets, they don't belong to you,' and can we come up with another set of metrics to disperse them."

But this latest scandal carried a different weight because the allegations came from Blazer, one of FIFA's own. Making them all the more stunning was that the 66-year-old New Yorker had turned on Warner, with whom he was so closely allied after 20 years together atop CONCACAF they were referred to as one person - "ChuckandJack" or "JackandChuck" - in soccer circles.

"I was surprised in the sense that, obviously, he and Jack Warner had been so closely attached from 1990 until that happened," said Alan Rothenberg, president of the U.S. Soccer Federation from 1990-98.

On Saturday, CONCACAF suspended acting president Lisle Austin, who tried to remove Blazer as secretary general in retaliation for his whistleblowing.

Blazer has refused to discuss the allegations against Warner and bin Hammam, which were compiled by former federal prosecutor John P. Collins and are being investigated by former FBI Director Louis Freeh's firm. Blazer did tell The Associated Press this week that "much more evidence" would emerge from Caribbean officials, who were advised in Zurich to hand over the money to FIFA and assist in the inquiry, or face their own investigation.

"Soccer is going to do just fine," Rothenberg said. "Does (FIFA) have to look inside in terms of governance and how it operates? The answer is yes. And I'm sure they will. I don't want to say it's much ado about nothing, it's serious. But as far as the sport is concerned, the sport is going to be just fine."

Soccer in the United States had little structure when Blazer first got involved in the 1970s. He began coaching his son's club in New Rochelle, N.Y., and was soon sitting on the boards of local and regional soccer organizations, positions that would become his entree to the national scene. He was the USSF's executive vice president from 1984-86, then became chair of the national teams committee. In 1988, he and Clive Toye, who had brought Pele to the United States as the general manager of the New York Cosmos, formed the American Soccer League.

Blazer may not have had a long history with soccer, but the NYU business graduate and entrepreneur recognized its potential, particularly in the United States.

"By the mid-80s, there was already an inexorable roll going toward the sport. The NASL had really laid a foundation," said Jim Trecker, the longtime public relations executive who served as the main spokesman for the 1994 World Cup organizing committee. "I think Chuck was the accelerant to it from a business standpoint because he brought real marketing and business savvy to the game."

It was Blazer who urged Warner to run for president of CONCACAF in 1990. When the Trinidadian won, he made Blazer the general secretary, the equivalent of a CEO. Blazer immediately began modernizing the low-budget confederation, starting with moving its headquarters from Guatemala City to New York - CONCACAF is now located in the posh Trump Tower. (Blazer lives in an apartment in the high-priced building's residential section, where neighbors have included composer Andrew Lloyd Webber.)

Seeing how popular - and lucrative - Europe's quadrennial continental championship had become, Blazer created a similar tournament for CONCACAF, called the Gold Cup. Played every two years since 1991, not only does it give national teams more games - critical for still-developing programs - it's become a massive moneymaker, with packed stadiums across the United States and lucrative contracts for broadcast rights.

This year's Gold Cup kicks off Sunday, with the champion earning a spot in the Confederations Cup, the all-important World Cup warm-up tournament.

In January 1997, Blazer beat out Rothenberg for North America's spot on FIFA's 24-man executive committee, world soccer's highest-ranking body. He is one of the few executive committee members who is not a current or former head of a national or continental federation.

CONCACAF doesn't have the same power within FIFA as the European or South American federations. But Blazer's personality and accessibility make him one of FIFA's more popular members. He is frequently described as "larger than life," with the charisma to match his big belly. (It was Blazer who said, "I don't see how you can air-condition an entire country," when Qatar said it would air condition all of its stadiums.)

His business background and technological savvy gives him significant influence, too - power that can only increase now that he's chairman of FIFA's marketing and television advisory board, a position that will give him a large say in who gets those massive World Cup TV contracts.

When NBC submitted a $350 million bid for the English- and Spanish-language U.S. rights to the 2010 and 2014 World Cups in 2005, Blazer convinced the executive committee to turn it down. The network only wanted the World Cups, and Blazer felt it was imperative that FIFA's American broadcast partner have more of a stake in the game.

"He said, 'You'd need to be committed to the sport in the United States,'" said ESPN's Skipper. "So we put together a bid not only for the World Cup, but for the national team and for Major League Soccer."

FIFA eventually split the U.S. contract between ESPN and Univision, with ESPN paying $100 million for the English-language rights and Univision $325 million for the Spanish-language rights.

Several of FIFA's biggest sponsors have expressed concern about the latest scandal, worried they will be wind up being dragged along through the muck. Blatter has promised reform, but it is far too soon to say whether the insulated group will actually give up its cozy system or whether it is simply paying lip-service until the spotlight shifts.

While Blazer is keeping quiet now, he expressed pride in FIFA and its accomplishments in a November interview with The Associated Press.

"No system is perfect. And as you get down to many different levels, there are people who make mistakes, there are people who do things wrong," he said then. "But by and large, if you look at the accomplishments of FIFA, I'm very satisfied when I look back at the 16 years that I've been there, and the 20 years here at the confederation, that our accomplishments have been very positive.

"Does it mean it's not subject to criticism? Of course it is, and you live with that. And in the end you try to learn from those criticisms and do better."

Follow Nancy Armour at http://twitter.com/nrarmour

Posted on Sat, Jun. 04, 2011 09:58 AM
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bourbon on June 04, 2011, 07:51:28 PM
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Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: elan on June 04, 2011, 08:20:58 PM
CONCACAF war takes legal twist (http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=28252)
Saturday 4th June, 2011

 

Members of the Executive Committee at CONCACAF have been put on notice for engaging in alleged illegal action and for not having the best interest of the organisation at heart.


Acting President of CONCACAF, Lisle Austin in an email today says claims being made by Executive Committee members, that they have provisionally suspended him are illegal and he intends to address their continued illegal action at all levels.


To date, he says he is unaware of the grounds for which he has been illegally suspended and believes this conduct demonstrates the lawless activities of certain individuals.


According to Mr Austin, the action by members of the Executive Committee contravenes several articles of the CONCACAF statutes.


Mr. Austin says it is enlightening for the football world to know that the Executive Committee, in its flawed interpretation of Article 28, not only has failed to engage in due process which is required in any disciplinary matter, but has flouted the very statutory requirements articulated in the CONCACAF statutes necessary to move in such a direction.


He says some members of the Committee are clearly engaging in illegal actions at the prodding of forces which do not have the best interest of CONCACAF at heart.


He says he rejects the press statement claiming Alfredo Hawitt is Acting President of CONCACAF and wishes to advise member associations and staff members that anyone acting upon the instructions of Mr Hawitt will be implicating themselves into illegal activities.


The Acting President says he is saddened that the response from the CONCACAF media department is the fruit of illegal actions on the part of those who do not possess the Constitutionally granted powers to utilize the Confederation's equipment and resources.


He says he is both shocked and disheartened that the online publications of the Confederation are being employed to wage a war against the office of the Acting President, a war in which, he says, only the Confederation and its members will continue to suffer.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 04, 2011, 08:32:39 PM
It is indeed instructive to note that CONCACAF has provided neither the basis of the authority on which Austin was suspended, nor provided the reason for his suspension.  The hand of Chuck Blazer is behind the scenes manipulating the situation to maximize his personal interest and he seemingly is doing so without regard for statutory authority.  From what I can tell "Secretary General" is an appointed, rather than an elected position, so it's baffling to me why he thinks he cannot be removed from office, and baffling how he thinks he can remove an elected member.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: soccerrama on June 04, 2011, 09:18:16 PM
http://www.newsday.co.tt/news/0,141677.html


WARNER'S STILL A SIMPAUL DIRECTOR
By Andre Bagoo Sunday, June 5 2011

FORMER FIFA presidential candidate Mohamed bin Hammam, in defence of proceedings brought against him by FIFA’s Ethics Committee last Sunday, said he transferred $2.3 million to the Jack Warner-led Caribbean Football Union (CFU) to cover the “travelling and accommodation expenses” of delegates and “the overall costs” of a two-day CFU meeting held at the four-star Hyatt Regency hotel in Port-of-Spain last month.

The travelling expenses and bookings for the meeting were done via Simpaul Travel Services Limited, a company which, to date, still lists Works and Transport Minister Jack Warner as a director.

Companies Registry documents obtained yesterday by Sunday Newsday revealed that while Warner is no longer a shareholder in the travel agency he set up with his wife, Maureen, in 1997, he is still listed as a director of the firm. An annual return filed on January 14, listed Warner, whose first name is Austin, as a director alongside his wife and sons Darryl and Daryan, of 69 Cynthia Drive, Howell Settlement, Five Rivers, Arouca. The current shareholders of the firm are listed as Princess Rose Campbell and housewife Margaret Fletcher, both of 177 Kitchener Avenue, Barataria. Both are former directors of Simpaul Travel. Their shares were transferred to them from Jack and Maureen Warner in March 2006.

Warner and his family had stepped down as directors in March 2006, the year of the World Cup in Germany. By August 2009, however, Warner and his family returned as directors.

Simpaul Travel was previously investigated by FIFA after it was revealed that tickets for the 2006 World Cup were channelled through the company. Warner, however, was subsequently cleared by the Ethics Committee.

Warner was last year allowed to maintain his ministerial portfolio simultaneously with his FIFA vice-presidency amidst great controversy, given the fact that ministers are by convention made to give up private business when entering Cabinet office.

It was not known then that Warner also, to date, maintains a post as a director at Simpaul, as indicated by the public registry documents. Contacted yesterday, an aide who answered Warner’s mobile phone said he was unavailable as he was in a constituency meeting.

In a four-page statement of defence, submitted to the Petrus Damaseb-chaired committee at Zurich, Switzerland, last Sunday, bin Hammam said he, “found it correct and insisted to pay” the money because the meeting, held from May 10-11, was an “extraordinary one”.

“Since this was an extraordinary meeting of the CFU, Mr bin Hammam found it correct and insisted to pay the travelling and accommodation expenses of the delegates, as well as the overall costs of the conference,” the statement, prepared by an attorney representing bin Hammam, read.

“For this purpose, Mr bin Hammam transferred the estimated costs of USD$360,000 (TT$2.3 million) to the CFU prior to the meeting in Trinidad.”

At the time, bin Hammam was a candidate in the FIFA election and was seeking the support of the CFU delegates in the race against incumbent Sepp Blatter.

Bin Hammam said the meeting came about due to a choice he made not to attend a CONCACAF meeting from May 1-3 in Miami.

“Mr bin Hammam initially intended to attend the CONCACAF-Congress which was held on 1 to 3 May 2011 in Miami, USA,” the statement said.

“That is why he applied for a visa at the beginning of April 2011. On 30 April and 1 May 2011, Mr bin Hammam attended the CONMEBOL Congress in Asuncion, Paraguay. At this time, the visa for entering the USA had still not arrived. (It was) only on 1 May 2011 in the afternoon, he received a phone call from the US embassy in Paraguay offering help in the visa matter. However, at that time, Mr bin Hammam had already changed his plans and decided not to change them again but to see the delegates of the CFU at an extraordinary meeting. No inferences which are disadvantageous for Mr Bin Hammam may be drawn from this choice.”

It was previously reported that bin Hammam could not attend the CONCACAF meeting due to an administrate error with his visa. Bin Hammam left Trinidad on May 10 while the two-day meeting was still taking place. He denied any knowledge that cash bribes were offered while he was there or after.

Warner is the president of the CFU, the organisation which hosted the Hyatt meeting.

Warner, who was issued a suspension this week by FIFA after its ethics committee found a case of bribery to answer against him, is also the CONCACAF president. The CFU offices are located at the CONCACAF building at Edward Street, Port-of-Spain. Simpaul Travel, the company that did the travel bookings for the meeting, also has a branch in the same building as CONCACAF and CFU. A separate affidavit sent to FIFA’s ethics committee reportedly said the travel and hotel accommodation was arranged through Simpaul Travel.

In a television interview last week, Warner reportedly indicated that the amount transferred was $100,000 less than that stated by bin Hammam and that it was wired.

“Mr bin Hammam never gave any money to the countries of the Caribbean. bin Hammam wired $260,000 to pay for accommodation and airfares. This is the norm,” Warner was quoted as saying in an internet report.

Warner has been alleged to have offered CFU officials bribes of $252,000 (US$40,000) at the Hyatt meeting. However, to date, the full facts on which the allegations are based, which have been strongly denied by Warner, remain unclear.

The allegations have been made by Chuck Blazer, the CONCACAF general secretary and one- time Warner ally whose credibility has been questioned by both bin Hammam and Warner.

In his defence, bin Hammam gave a glimpse of Blazer’s allegations against Warner. Referring to a statement by Blazer, bin Hammam said Blazer claimed that Warner had said that Warner had informed FIFA and Blatter, the FIFA president, of cash payments to the CFU delegates.

“In Mr Blazer’s submission…Mr Blazer refers to statements of Mr Jack Warner according to which the alleged cash payments were notified to the FIFA and Mr Blatter in particular and that they ‘had no issue with it’,” bin Hammam said.

It is unclear why, if any payments offered at the May meetings were bribes for supporting bin Hammam, Warner would inform bin Hammam’s competitor in the election, Blatter, of this.

Warner, bin Hammam and Blatter were all last Sunday referred to the FIFA Ethics Committee on the eve of last week’s FIFA presidential elections.

The committee, chaired by Namibian judge Damaseb, made a controversial ruling which cleared Blatter, but not the others, paving the way for Blatter to go up for a fourth term uncontested last week (bin Hammam withdrew hours before the ethics committee hearing last Sunday).

In relation to the allegation against Blatter, Damaseb noted the FIFA president was accused of failing to report the alleged intention to make unsanctioned payments to Caribbean associations. Warner has claimed Blatter was aware of the facts in question and has promised to read from an email he sent to Blatter after the May event. Blatter has claimed Warner told him about an intention to make certain payments at a future date.

Warner has denied all allegations. Last week, he declined requests from this newspaper to disclose statements submitted in his defence to the Ethics Committee.

Warner was last week cleared of a separate set of bribery allegations made by Lord Triesman, who has accused him of seeking to benefit financially in return for supporting England’s World Cup bid. Warner also last week declined to disclose a report that cleared him in that instance.

This week’s events, which came mere days after the PP Government celebrated its first anniversary, have shaken local politics. Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar has said she will stand by Warner pending a full FIFA report and under the principle that an accused person is innocent until proven guilty. COP deputy political leader Prakash Ramadhar, however, has called for Warner to step aside temporarily.

CONCACAF has also been sent into a crisis with Warner’s suspension. This week, the acting president, Lisle Austin, attempted to fire Blazer, who has reported Warner as violating his suspension. Austin was himself this week subject to a ban from CONCACAF by a majority of the CONCACAF executive committee. Up to yesterday, CONCACAF lawyers were still wrangling over this issue.

Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: weary1969 on June 04, 2011, 09:25:58 PM
Still a Simpaul Director I am shockeddddd.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on June 04, 2011, 10:49:41 PM
Still a Simpaul Director I am shockeddddd.

Why yuh  :o ?

Is JW we dealing with after all!  8)
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 04, 2011, 10:50:04 PM
Quote
“Since this was an extraordinary meeting of the CFU, Mr bin Hammam found it correct and insisted to pay the travelling and accommodation expenses of the delegates, as well as the overall costs of the conference,” the statement, prepared by an attorney representing bin Hammam, read.

“For this purpose, Mr bin Hammam transferred the estimated costs of USD$360,000 (TT$2.3 million) to the CFU prior to the meeting in Trinidad.”

Brilliant.
Title: Austin claims his dismissal is illegal
Post by: vb on June 05, 2011, 04:49:56 AM
PORT OF SPAIN, Trinidad, CMC – Interim CONCACAF president Lisle Austin on yesterday branded as “illegal” a decision by the executive committee to oust him from the post, as internal divisions in the continental governing body continued to deepen.


Lisle Austin
Austin, who replaced Jack Warner in the position last Sunday after the Trinidadian was suspended by FIFA’s ethics committee, also rejected the assertion he had been replaced as president and again charged that CONCACAF online media arm was being used to “wage war” against him.

His claims came after a formal release from the New York-based CONCACAF office said Saturday that the majority of executive committee members had taken the decision to suspend Austin for an “apparent infringement of the CONCACAF Statutes”.

“Lisle Austin has been provisionally banned from all football activities within CONCACAF and at the national level by a majority of the CONCACAF Executive Committee members for apparent infringement of the CONCACAF Statutes,” the CONCACAF statement read.

“Notice of this suspension is being sent to FIFA to be extended worldwide.”

But Austin, in a statement released here, said any meeting held without his sanction was also a contravention of CONCACAF statues.

“It necessarily follows that if the President did not convene or did not chair any meeting of the Executive Committee that any actions taken or decisions reached at said meeting are not only unenforceable but are ultra vires (invalid),” the statement read.

Austin also said the committee had “failed to engage in due process which is required in any disciplinary matter but has flouted the very statutory requirements articulated in the CONCACAF Statutes necessary to move in such a direction.”

A senior CONCACAF vice-president, Austin noted he was unaware of the grounds for his suspension and described any charges against him as “baseless” and “trumped up”.

He also rejected the appointment of senior vice-president Alfredo Hawit of Honduras as the new acting president and warned member associations and staff against taking orders from Hawitt, contending they would be “implicating themselves into illegal activities”.

Further, the statement from Austin deemed the actions of the CONCACAF Media Department “illegal”, and argued the online facility was being used for the purpose of waging war against him.

Austin has been at loggerheads with CONCACAF general secretary Chuck Blazer since taking over the post of president last Monday and earlier this week claimed he had fired the American.

A release from CONCACAF in New York subsequently refuted that assertion, countering that Austin had acted without authority.

It was a report from Blazer coming out of a meeting here last month that triggered a bribery investigation by FIFA and led to the temporary suspension of Warner and Asian footall chief Mohamed Bin Hammam.

Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Blue on June 05, 2011, 05:06:34 AM
lol, how the hell are they going to unravel this mess?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: vb on June 05, 2011, 07:25:59 AM
Quote
“Since this was an extraordinary meeting of the CFU, Mr bin Hammam found it correct and insisted to pay the travelling and accommodation expenses of the delegates, as well as the overall costs of the conference,” the statement, prepared by an attorney representing bin Hammam, read.

“For this purpose, Mr bin Hammam transferred the estimated costs of USD$360,000 (TT$2.3 million) to the CFU prior to the meeting in Trinidad.”

Brilliant.

If money was transferred to the CFU, then what about the "cash" that was given to CFU members. A money transfer to cover expenses doesn't mean that additional money was not given at the meeting.

If JW number one stooge, Anil Roberts want to know how Bin Hamam could come into the country with all that cash.

We NOW hearing about wire transfer.

I would like to see the next official meeting of CONCACAF; Blazer get fired but he say he eh fired. Austin get fired but he say dey cah fire him. It go be interesting.

VB
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Trini _2026 on June 05, 2011, 08:37:13 AM
Jack to drop Blatter bombshell today

Bombshell e-mails involving re-elected Federation International Football Association (FIFA) president Sepp Blatter is expected to send shock waves through the football fraternity today as the Association’s suspended vice president, Jack Warner speaks out. Vowing that he will be exonerated from the football scandal following the revelation of a series of e-mails, the Chaguanas West MP has promised that it will send shockwaves throughout the world. Viewers are expected to be glued to their seats from 1 pm today as they listen to live radio broadcasts of Warner’s rally on six radio stations locally. Television stations are also expected to carry the rally where Warner defends himself in the raging controversy. He has chosen his constituency, among his supporters—at Jubilee Recreation Ground at Cacandee Road, Felicity—to speak out. He is expected to spend the day in his constituency where he will take part in a motorcade in celebration of Indian Arrival Day.

He will then address supporters on Indian Arrival Day and on his suspension from FIFA. In a shocking move last Sunday, the world’s football governing body suspended Warner and Qatar’s Mohammed Bin Hammam amidst bribery allegations. Warner has since deemed the suspensions as illegal and unjust, promising to clear his name. The Works and Transport Minister was at his constituency office yesterday where he listened to the cries of more than 300 people seeking assistance on various matters yesterday.

Speaking to the Sunday Guardian, Warner admitted he was moved by the throngs of people at the Piarco International Airport on Thursday on his return from Zurich. Warner said he was committed to serving the people of T&T. “I remain eternally grateful to my supporters. It is good to have friends not only when you are up but also when you are down.” The Minister however, maintained that calls by the People’s National Movement and the Congress of The People (COP) candidate for him to step aside until being cleared of the allegations are unfounded. Warner said: “Ramadhar wants him to go, while Ramadhar’s Prime Minister supports the Chaguanas West MP.” He said Ramadhar used the opportunity to gain political mileage in the upcoming COP internal elections that may end up working against him in the long run.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Jah Gol on June 05, 2011, 10:37:50 AM
Henry Kissinger interested in helping Fifa reform group

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Former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger has told BBC Radio 5 live he is interested in joining Fifa president Sepp Blatter's committee of 'wise men'.

Blatter has invited him to join his new committee to improve accountability.

"He's not been specific, except to say he wants to create a group of wise men to deal with issues which may arise," Kissinger, 88, told Sportsweek.

"If it can help I'd be willing to participate but we need to know other participants and terms of reference."

The German-born Kissinger was a key figure in the Richard Nixon administration and won the Nobel Peace prize in 1973.

He is a life-long football fan, having been a major player in America's successful bid to host the 1994 World Cup.

He was also involved in reform of the International Olympic Committee following the scandal over Salt Lake City's winning bid to stage the Winter Games in 2002.

Last week Blatter was elected president of world football's governing body for the fourth time, after an unopposed election.

Fifa has come in for heavy criticism over allegations of corruption, particularly in relation to the vote on the venue of the 2022 World Cup.

As a result Blatter announced a raft of reform plans, including allowing Fifa delegates rather than the executive committee to vote on the hosting of future World Cups, and the establishment of a solutions committee including leading figures from inside and outside the game, such as Kissinger.

On the same programme, Football Association chief executive Alex Horne said he was "not losing sleep" over the likelihood of any backlash from Blatter or Fifa following the FA's failed attempt to block his unopposed election, and he hoped the FA could continue to play a role in world football.

"We intend to work constructively now to support Blatter with his wise men committee so we'll take it sensibly going forward," he said.

"Fifa are a very successful organisation, the work they do is incredibly powerful and we empathise with a lot of that work.

"We are still respected as a football nation, so we'd hope to be able to carry on working with Fifa helping world football.

"We've written to him [Blatter] and we'd be happy to meet him face-to-face."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/13659901.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/13659901.stm)
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 05, 2011, 11:51:19 AM

If money was transferred to the CFU, then what about the "cash" that was given to CFU members. A money transfer to cover expenses doesn't mean that additional money was not given at the meeting.

If JW number one stooge, Anil Roberts want to know how Bin Hamam could come into the country with all that cash.

We NOW hearing about wire transfer.

I would like to see the next official meeting of CONCACAF; Blazer get fired but he say he eh fired. Austin get fired but he say dey cah fire him. It go be interesting.

VB

The argument really isn't that difficult to follow:

Bin Hammam's only dealing would likely have been with Warner directly.  Bin Hammam then insists on paying the travel expenses; which Warner happily offers to arrange.  Warner tells Bin Hammam the bill is US$360,000,which Bin Hammam then transfers either to Warner or to a CFU account designated by Warner.  Bin Hammam never offered cash to anyone, if anything Jack Warner or his agents did.  Any cash offered was for reimbursement of expenses, not bribes.  Anything else you will need to ask Jack Warner, once he got the money Bin Hammam left it up to him.

Simple.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: elan on June 05, 2011, 12:39:24 PM

If money was transferred to the CFU, then what about the "cash" that was given to CFU members. A money transfer to cover expenses doesn't mean that additional money was not given at the meeting.

If JW number one stooge, Anil Roberts want to know how Bin Hamam could come into the country with all that cash.

We NOW hearing about wire transfer.

I would like to see the next official meeting of CONCACAF; Blazer get fired but he say he eh fired. Austin get fired but he say dey cah fire him. It go be interesting.

VB

The argument really isn't that difficult to follow:

Bin Hammam's only dealing would likely have been with Warner directly.  Bin Hammam then insists on paying the travel expenses; which Warner happily offers to arrange.  Warner tells Bin Hammam the bill is US$360,000,which Bin Hammam then transfers either to Warner or to a CFU account designated by Warner.  Bin Hammam never offered cash to anyone, if anything Jack Warner or his agents did.  Any cash offered was for reimbursement of expenses, not bribes.  Anything else you will need to ask Jack Warner, once he got the money Bin Hammam left it up to him.

Simple.

What you mean by that? And Who offering the cash for the reimbursement?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: soccerrama on June 05, 2011, 03:34:16 PM
On i95.5fm this morning Peter Richards played an interview which aired on a Grenadian Radio Station interviewing an ex Grenada FA president & he said that this has always happened & he likened Jack to Robin Hood. He claimed from the information he has that Bin Hammam promised the CFU members that if he were to win the presidency of FIFA he would double whatever allocation they were currently receiving from FIFA. The ex FA president then went on to say that he was told that the CFU members were told that they would be given a gift & it would be for the Presidents of the Football Associations to use on a pet project of theirs preferably to do with Football, but what he didn't say was whether it was Bin Hamman who told them this or Jack. Apparently some of the Associations are saying the money was a gift so they eh returning it.
What is very clear is that the money was there for the taking.
The host of the show also told him that he (the host) saw no way out of this mess for Jack & asked the ex FA president who he thought should/would replace Jack at least at the CFU level & guess who he said should/would ...........Capt. Horace Burrell!!!!!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 05, 2011, 03:42:00 PM
What you mean by that? And Who offering the cash for the reimbursement?

Have you been following the situation at all?? 
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on June 05, 2011, 03:52:51 PM
On i95.5fm this morning Peter Richards played an interview which aired on a Grenadian Radio Station interviewing an ex Grenada FA president & he said that this has always happened & he likened Jack to Robin Hood. He claimed from the information he has that Bin Hammam promised the CFU members that if he were to win the presidency of FIFA he would double whatever allocation they were currently receiving from FIFA. The ex FA president then went on to say that he was told that the CFU members were told that they would be given a gift & it would be for the Presidents of the Football Associations to use on a pet project of theirs preferably to do with Football, but what he didn't say was whether it was Bin Hamman who told them this or Jack. Apparently some of the Associations are saying the money was a gift so they eh returning it.
What is very clear is that the money was there for the taking.
The host of the show also told him that he (the host) saw no way out of this mess for Jack & asked the ex FA president who he thought should/would replace Jack at least at the CFU level & guess who he said should/would ...........Capt. Horace Burrell!!!!!

Interesting!!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: elan on June 05, 2011, 04:23:04 PM
What you mean by that? And Who offering the cash for the reimbursement?

Have you been following the situation at all?? 

Yes I have, but who will be offering cash if Hammam wired the money? Why would delegates expenditure be that much if lodging and flight are covered? Just trying to see how this might have been a miscommunication problem.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bitter on June 05, 2011, 04:36:25 PM
What you mean by that? And Who offering the cash for the reimbursement?

Have you been following the situation at all?? 

Yes I have, but who will be offering cash if Hammam wired the money? Why would delegates expenditure be that much if lodging and flight are covered? Just trying to see how this might have been a miscommunication problem.

That was to save on bank transfer fees. Fiscal responsibility.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Brownsugar on June 05, 2011, 04:59:07 PM
On i95.5fm this morning Peter Richards played an interview which aired on a Grenadian Radio Station interviewing an ex Grenada FA president & he said that this has always happened & he likened Jack to Robin Hood. He claimed from the information he has that Bin Hammam promised the CFU members that if he were to win the presidency of FIFA he would double whatever allocation they were currently receiving from FIFA. The ex FA president then went on to say that he was told that the CFU members were told that they would be given a gift & it would be for the Presidents of the Football Associations to use on a pet project of theirs preferably to do with Football, but what he didn't say was whether it was Bin Hamman who told them this or Jack. Apparently some of the Associations are saying the money was a gift so they eh returning it.
What is very clear is that the money was there for the taking.
The host of the show also told him that he (the host) saw no way out of this mess for Jack & asked the ex FA president who he thought should/would replace Jack at least at the CFU level & guess who he said should/would ...........Capt. Horace Burrell!!!!!

I tuned in late and caught the end of this interview.  Thanks for posting.....
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 05, 2011, 05:56:43 PM
Yes I have, but who will be offering cash if Hammam wired the money? Why would delegates expenditure be that much if lodging and flight are covered? Just trying to see how this might have been a miscommunication problem.

Expenses include l=lodging and flight for the delegates... that is what they were reimbursed for.  Normally CFU would pick up the tab but Bin Hammam say since this is ah "exceptional" meeting being convened largely fuh his benefit he'll pay for it.  So his argument is that once he wire the money to cover expenses to Jack he had no other dealing.  Remember, Jack (thru Simpaul) do all the booking, and Jack quote him the price... so he just pay the money.  Now of course it looks as though Jack over charge him and pocket the difference, but if the argument is to be accepted then it leaves Bin Hammam in the clear as to any bribery.  Paying the expense reimbursement is legitimate... reasonable at worst.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: dreamer on June 05, 2011, 09:27:26 PM
BigSoccer
"Not All Bahamians Are For Sale"
Posted June 5, 2011at 09:20 AM by Bill Archer
Updated June 5, 2011 at 12:21 PM by Bill Archer

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As this whole CONCACAF Carnival de Sleaze has continued to unfold (unravel?) and one sorry, sordid tale of venality and shameless greed follows another, it becomes increasingly clear that there aren't many heros.

Even the guys who we now see as Fighting the Good Fight are, in one way or another, tainted by the sleaze they've been if not actively promoting then at least tacitly complicit in for lo these many years.




However, there is in fact one man - or two if you include his partner - who has gotten little attention but who is deserving of both our thanks and our praise.


You probably know at least the basics of his story, but for benefit of those who may have come in late - and as a reminder to the rest of us - it deserves to be told again.

Anton Sealey is the President of the Bahamas Football Association. As such, he should have been in Port-of-Spain on that fateful day when Jack Warners' minions started handing out bundles of cash.

But Sealey was in Zurich helping prepare for the FIFA Soccer News Topics Congress, so his Vice President, Fred Lunn, went in his place.

When Warner ordered everyone to go and line up outside an adjoining ballroom, Lunn was, purely by happenstance, one of the first in line and, thus, one of the first members to be handed a brown envelope with his nations' name on it, told to sign a receipt and then warned not to open it in front of anyone or discuss the contents publicly.

So Lunn left the Grand Hyatt ballroom, went to a secluded table, tore open the envelope and was astonished to see four $10,000 bundles of US$100 bills come tumbling out. The picture that you've surely seen of the stacks of bills next to the opened envelope was Lunns' cell phone picture, taken at that very moment, of his own package.




He then went to a CFU official and told him that he was "not authorized to accept such a gift" but was told to take it anyway.


Lunn - and we'd all, myself included, do well to remember this the next time we carelessly lump the entire CFU into one neat "bunch of greedbags" box - was uncomfortable about this and wasn't sure what to do. So he texted Sealey in Zurich asking "What should I do?" and sent the picture along at the same time.


A few moments later his phone rang. It was Sealey.

"Under no circumstances" Sealey told him "will the Bahamas FA accept such a cash gift." He told Lunn to give the money back.

So Lunn put the money back in the envelope and then walked back to the ballroom and got back in line.

As he stood there, two delegates from another country, ignoring the careful instructions they had just gotten, came out the door, ripped open the envelope and right there, in front of everyone, divvied up the money between them.

And with Lunn standing in line outside the ballroom door, likely getting some pretty odd looks from his fellow delegates, Sealey in Zurich thought about it for a few minutes and then picked up his cell and dialed Chuck Blazer.

The rest, as they say, is history.


Sir Jack Hayward Soccer News Topics is a resident of the Bahamas.

Probably best known for spending - and losing - a not-so-small fortune rescuing his hometown Wolverhampton Wanderers Soccer News Topics from obscurity, he's currently in Florida getting medical treatment but he called The Tribune in Freeport TO TALK ABOUT Sealey and Lunn, and how very proud he, and all Bahamians, are today.

The article makes the point far better than I ever could:

"The attempted bribe was an insult to the whole Caribbean.

"Those seeking the Caribbean Football Federation's vote obviously saw its members as coming from poor island nations who would never have seen so much money as fell from the brown envelope that was offered them. Many proved to their tempters that poor they might be, but they had pride, they had integrity and although they might never see so much money again, under such tainted conditions they would never stoop so low as to pick it up. As was pointed out, $40,000 for the Caribbean's smaller islands would be the equivalent of several years' salary.

"As for the Bahamas, having been once written off as an "island for sale", Sealey, Lunn and the BFA redeemed the country's reputation. They showed the world that not all Bahamians are for sale."


Jack Warners' real crime isn't that he steals money.

Rather, it's that for all his talk about raising up and empowering the Caribbean nations, what he has actually done is degrade them, dragged them down and turned them into simpering, dependent puppies licking their masters' hand as he doles out treats and favors.

People are saying that CONCACAF will always be stuck with a CFU member as President because they hold the vast preponderance of the votes.

But if they'd like to use those votes on a man like Anton Sealey, well, I'm more than OK with that.



There's just nothing to add, except perhaps to note that Sealey's son Justin, a member of the full Bahamian National side, just finished his Freshman year as a member of the North Carolina Tar heels.

I'm going to go ahead and speculate that the kid is going to turn out OK.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on June 05, 2011, 10:36:49 PM
Yes I have, but who will be offering cash if Hammam wired the money? Why would delegates expenditure be that much if lodging and flight are covered? Just trying to see how this might have been a miscommunication problem.

Expenses include l=lodging and flight for the delegates... that is what they were reimbursed for.  Normally CFU would pick up the tab but Bin Hammam say since this is ah "exceptional" meeting being convened largely fuh his benefit he'll pay for it.  So his argument is that once he wire the money to cover expenses to Jack he had no other dealing.  Remember, Jack (thru Simpaul) do all the booking, and Jack quote him the price... so he just pay the money.  Now of course it looks as though Jack over charge him and pocket the difference, but if the argument is to be accepted then it leaves Bin Hammam in the clear as to any bribery.  Paying the expense reimbursement is legitimate... reasonable at worst.
Bakes, you make all this sound perfectly reasonable, except a) I very much doubt that each individual nations expenses all equalled exactly US$40,000 and b) why would you reimburse each seperate nation with a brown envelope of cash and order them not to open the envelopes in public?
Surely, these days, you just electronically transfer funds directly to accounts? I'm not sure of the limits, but I'm fairly positive it is illegal to carry a quarter of a million TT's worth of US currency out of the country without declaring it, so its likely that each of these executives have also broke international currency laws. I recall that you said that this is not money laundering, which originally referred to cash from ill gotten gains such as drugs or diamond smuggling, but I do believe that nowadays it refers to any money obtained illegally. As bribery is illegal, ergo, if the allegations are proven, this is, indeed, money laundering. At the very least there are 3 reasons for police investigation: alleged bribery accusations, international money laundering by the executives and illegal profiteering by Warner/Simpaul (remember, bin Hammam has sworn an affidavit that Warner quoted $360,000, but Warner states $260,000 was the cost.
Finally, I think there was 24 or 25 delegates in attendance? 25 x US$40,000 = US$1 million...so where did all that cash come from?
My take is this: Warner allegedly fleeced bin Hammam for US$100,000 and that was his alleged reward for arranging everything. The remaining US$260,000 was allegedly reimbursed electronically at approx US$10,400 per nation (fairly reasonable expenses if they travelled business class) and allegedly Warner helped bin Hammam circumvent customs with his briefcase full of US$ 1 million. 
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 05, 2011, 11:35:30 PM
Bakes, you make all this sound perfectly reasonable, except a) I very much doubt that each individual nations expenses all equalled exactly US$40,000 and b) why would you reimburse each seperate nation with a brown envelope of cash and order them not to open the envelopes in public?
Surely, these days, you just electronically transfer funds directly to accounts? I'm not sure of the limits, but I'm fairly positive it is illegal to carry a quarter of a million TT's worth of US currency out of the country without declaring it, so its likely that each of these executives have also broke international currency laws. I recall that you said that this is not money laundering, which originally referred to cash from ill gotten gains such as drugs or diamond smuggling, but I do believe that nowadays it refers to any money obtained illegally. As bribery is illegal, ergo, if the allegations are proven, this is, indeed, money laundering. At the very least there are 3 reasons for police investigation: alleged bribery accusations, international money laundering by the executives and illegal profiteering by Warner/Simpaul (remember, bin Hammam has sworn an affidavit that Warner quoted $360,000, but Warner states $260,000 was the cost.
Finally, I think there was 24 or 25 delegates in attendance? 25 x US$40,000 = US$1 million...so where did all that cash come from?
My take is this: Warner allegedly fleeced bin Hammam for US$100,000 and that was his alleged reward for arranging everything. The remaining US$260,000 was allegedly reimbursed electronically at approx US$10,400 per nation (fairly reasonable expenses if they travelled business class) and allegedly Warner helped bin Hammam circumvent customs with his briefcase full of US$ 1 million. 

Of course it's perfectly reasonable... you're looking at the issue by examining Warner's role.  I'm looking at what Bin Hammam's legal team is arguing in his defense and I find their arguments to have merit.  Go back and look at what I've said and you'll see I've only been addressing the issue of Bin Hammam's culpability.

Money laundering refers to the process of structuring transactions such that the taint from an illegal source is hidden.  Bribery is not illegal... contrary to what you may think.  Bribery of public officials acting in the official course of their duties is illegal but unless it affects the public (bypassing regulatory channels or affecting the market etc.) then likely no laws are being broken.  Everything else you mention relates to Jack's actions... which have already been discussed ad nauseaum.  There is nothing to suggest that Bim Hammam handed over cash... at least nothing that I've seen.  Seems like Jack was the one who did.  Finally, there's no international law that was broken... just local laws against failing to declare.  "Illegal profiteering"... I'm not even sure there's a crime by that name... and even so, I'm pretty sure it doesn't apply here.  If anything Jack fleeced Bin Hammam... that's not a crime, just one party over charging another for services rendered.  It would be up to Bin Hammam to sue Jack to collect the excess funds... but the police would have no say in the matter.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on June 05, 2011, 11:52:10 PM
Wow! Bribery is not illegal? I would never have believed that1 But I guess all of the attempted bribery cases I've read about were probably, as you say, public officials. Thanks for the clarification! So, bin Hammam has managed to keep his hands clean, while Jack looks like having sticky fingers. But theres still the issue of how the alleged US$1 million got into the country?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 06, 2011, 12:14:18 AM
Wow! Bribery is not illegal? I would never have believed that1 But I guess all of the attempted bribery cases I've read about were probably, as you say, public officials. Thanks for the clarification! So, bin Hammam has managed to keep his hands clean, while Jack looks like having sticky fingers. But theres still the issue of how the alleged US$1 million got into the country?

Think about it... even during the bid process, prospective host countries were "wining and dining" FIFA executives, giving them token gifts etc. all in the hopes of influencing decision-makers.  Business is conducted like that all the time... when recruiting a worker a company might "interview" him over lunch... at the company's expense.  Technically all of that is bribery.  Most public authorities however prohibit even a free lunch, so as to dispense with even the appearance of impropriety.  Some limit gifts to items of nominal value... years ago when I was consulting with the Federal gov't here in the US that figure was $25... try catering "lunch" for a group on a $25 dollar budget, nuff sandwich and donuts, lol  So yeah, with public officials it's a different story.

Now some jurisdictions have bribery statutes on their books... perhaps the most famous bribery case was that involving Salt Lake City's Winter bid.  Prosecutor's there relied on an obcure Utah law prohibiting bribery in business affairs... and even then they lost the case, the two bid officials were acquitted.  So if TnT has such an anti-bribery statute then maybe laws were broken... but I doubt it.

As for how the money got in the country... I don't think that's really an issue.  Bin Hammam said it was wired to Jack/CFU.  But even if it was cash... from my understanding, most "failure to declare" as it relates to currency only applies upon exit.  So taking the money out w/o declaring would be illegal... not bringing it in.  Here in the US you can travel with as much money as you want... you just have to declare it.  Taking the sums out isn't illegal, failing to declare is.  But I don't know the TnT laws inside/out like that, so I could be wrong on that one. 
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: weary1969 on June 06, 2011, 07:05:11 AM
Still a Simpaul Director I am shockeddddd.

Why yuh  :o ?

Is JW we dealing with after all!  8)

SARCASMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on June 06, 2011, 08:13:30 AM
Still a Simpaul Director I am shockeddddd.

Why yuh  :o ?

Is JW we dealing with after all!  8)

SARCASMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Yeah, I slipped there a bit!!  :D
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: weary1969 on June 06, 2011, 09:23:18 AM
Still a Simpaul Director I am shockeddddd.

Why yuh  :o ?

Is JW we dealing with after all!  8)

SARCASMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Yeah, I slipped there a bit!!  :D

It happens to us mere mortals.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on June 06, 2011, 12:27:19 PM
Wow! Bribery is not illegal? I would never have believed that1 But I guess all of the attempted bribery cases I've read about were probably, as you say, public officials. Thanks for the clarification! So, bin Hammam has managed to keep his hands clean, while Jack looks like having sticky fingers. But theres still the issue of how the alleged US$1 million got into the country?

Think about it... even during the bid process, prospective host countries were "wining and dining" FIFA executives, giving them token gifts etc. all in the hopes of influencing decision-makers.  Business is conducted like that all the time... when recruiting a worker a company might "interview" him over lunch... at the company's expense.  Technically all of that is bribery.  Most public authorities however prohibit even a free lunch, so as to dispense with even the appearance of impropriety.  Some limit gifts to items of nominal value... years ago when I was consulting with the Federal gov't here in the US that figure was $25... try catering "lunch" for a group on a $25 dollar budget, nuff sandwich and donuts, lol  So yeah, with public officials it's a different story.

Now some jurisdictions have bribery statutes on their books... perhaps the most famous bribery case was that involving Salt Lake City's Winter bid.  Prosecutor's there relied on an obcure Utah law prohibiting bribery in business affairs... and even then they lost the case, the two bid officials were acquitted.  So if TnT has such an anti-bribery statute then maybe laws were broken... but I doubt it.

As for how the money got in the country... I don't think that's really an issue.  Bin Hammam said it was wired to Jack/CFU.  But even if it was cash... from my understanding, most "failure to declare" as it relates to currency only applies upon exit.  So taking the money out w/o declaring would be illegal... not bringing it in.  Here in the US you can travel with as much money as you want... you just have to declare it.  Taking the sums out isn't illegal, failing to declare is.  But I don't know the TnT laws inside/out like that, so I could be wrong on that one. 

I seem to recall that there is definately a limit to the amount of cash you bring into T&T. Not sure what happens if you're above that limit, but, as you say, failing to declare is illegal. Remember, Bin Hammam said he wired US$360,000. Thats only enough to give US$40,000 to 9 members. Allegedly, the whole 25 were given US$40,000. So that means at least US$640,000 came from somewhere else.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bitter on June 06, 2011, 02:07:01 PM
FIFA seeks Placido Domingo's advice
Associated Press
http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/news/_/id/6631565/sepp-blatter-asks-opera-star-placido-domingo-fifa-adviser

LONDON -- Opera great Placido Domingo has been asked by FIFA president Sepp Blatter to join a new committee intended to help clean up world soccer's governing body.

Blatter hopes the 70-year-old Spanish-born tenor will sit on a "council of wisdom" alongside former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and former Netherlands player Johan Cruyff.

"These gentlemen are more or less advisers, they are not the experts ...," Blatter told CNN on Monday during a visit to Azerbaijan. "What they should be also is the kind of council of wisdom, which my executive committee would not like because they think they are the council of wisdom."

Domingo's best known involvement in soccer has been appearing at concerts before four consecutive World Cups from 1990 with Jose Carreras and Luciano Pavarotti, who were collectively known as The Three Tenors.

Announcing the invitation to Domingo to join the FIFA committee, Blatter said: "He is happy, he is proud that he is part (of it)."

Domingo could not be reached for comment.

Blatter also defended the decision to appoint the 88-year-old Kissinger, who has yet to make a firm commitment to become an adviser.

"People say he is an old man, but he is a wise man," Blatter said.

The committee will have the power to investigate and suggest solutions to problems as FIFA recovers from a bribery scandal, which saw executive committee members Mohamed bin Hammam and Jack Warner suspended from all soccer activities during the investigation.

After being elected last week to serve a fourth term as president, Blatter said he hopes to "bring back this credibility to FIFA."

He defended the decision to not have an independent chairman for the new solutions committee, saying he did not want to "open our border and say everyone can come in."

"The football family has asked me to solve the solution inside the FIFA and not outside the FIFA," Blatter said. "We are a very organized institution with 208 associations, six continents. I've put already zero tolerance in the agenda."
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: elan on June 06, 2011, 02:22:36 PM
FIFA seeks Placido Domingo's advice
Associated Press
http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/news/_/id/6631565/sepp-blatter-asks-opera-star-placido-domingo-fifa-adviser

LONDON -- Opera great Placido Domingo has been asked by FIFA president Sepp Blatter to join a new committee intended to help clean up world soccer's governing body.

Blatter hopes the 70-year-old Spanish-born tenor will sit on a "council of wisdom" alongside former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and former Netherlands player Johan Cruyff.

"These gentlemen are more or less advisers, they are not the experts ...," Blatter told CNN on Monday during a visit to Azerbaijan. "What they should be also is the kind of council of wisdom, which my executive committee would not like because they think they are the council of wisdom."

Domingo's best known involvement in soccer has been appearing at concerts before four consecutive World Cups from 1990 with Jose Carreras and Luciano Pavarotti, who were collectively known as The Three Tenors.

Announcing the invitation to Domingo to join the FIFA committee, Blatter said: "He is happy, he is proud that he is part (of it)."

Domingo could not be reached for comment.

Blatter also defended the decision to appoint the 88-year-old Kissinger, who has yet to make a firm commitment to become an adviser.

"People say he is an old man, but he is a wise man," Blatter said.

The committee will have the power to investigate and suggest solutions to problems as FIFA recovers from a bribery scandal, which saw executive committee members Mohamed bin Hammam and Jack Warner suspended from all soccer activities during the investigation.

After being elected last week to serve a fourth term as president, Blatter said he hopes to "bring back this credibility to FIFA."

He defended the decision to not have an independent chairman for the new solutions committee, saying he did not want to "open our border and say everyone can come in."

"The football family has asked me to solve the solution inside the FIFA and not outside the FIFA," Blatter said. "We are a very organized institution with 208 associations, six continents. I've put already zero tolerance in the agenda."

I think Kermit the Frog free for a couple months.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Mose on June 06, 2011, 02:32:43 PM
Jack to drop Blatter bombshell today

Bombshell e-mails involving re-elected Federation International Football Association (FIFA) president Sepp Blatter is expected to send shock waves through the football fraternity today as the Association’s suspended vice president, Jack Warner speaks out. Vowing that he will be exonerated from the football scandal following the revelation of a series of e-mails, the Chaguanas West MP has promised that it will send shockwaves throughout the world. Viewers are expected to be glued to their seats from 1 pm today as they listen to live radio broadcasts of Warner’s rally on six radio stations locally. Television stations are also expected to carry the rally where Warner defends himself in the raging controversy. He has chosen his constituency, among his supporters—at Jubilee Recreation Ground at Cacandee Road, Felicity—to speak out. He is expected to spend the day in his constituency where he will take part in a motorcade in celebration of Indian Arrival Day.

He will then address supporters on Indian Arrival Day and on his suspension from FIFA. In a shocking move last Sunday, the world’s football governing body suspended Warner and Qatar’s Mohammed Bin Hammam amidst bribery allegations. Warner has since deemed the suspensions as illegal and unjust, promising to clear his name. The Works and Transport Minister was at his constituency office yesterday where he listened to the cries of more than 300 people seeking assistance on various matters yesterday.

Speaking to the Sunday Guardian, Warner admitted he was moved by the throngs of people at the Piarco International Airport on Thursday on his return from Zurich. Warner said he was committed to serving the people of T&T. “I remain eternally grateful to my supporters. It is good to have friends not only when you are up but also when you are down.” The Minister however, maintained that calls by the People’s National Movement and the Congress of The People (COP) candidate for him to step aside until being cleared of the allegations are unfounded. Warner said: “Ramadhar wants him to go, while Ramadhar’s Prime Minister supports the Chaguanas West MP.” He said Ramadhar used the opportunity to gain political mileage in the upcoming COP internal elections that may end up working against him in the long run.

SO?? Any news on Jack's shocking revelations??
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bitter on June 06, 2011, 02:48:06 PM
SO?? Any news on Jack's shocking revelations??

He ent sing yet. Placido will give him lessons.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 06, 2011, 03:00:11 PM
SO?? Any news on Jack's shocking revelations??

He ent sing yet. Placido will give him lessons.

He better pray is really Placido and not Plaxido.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on June 06, 2011, 05:52:51 PM
So, basically, this won't all be over until the fat Spaniard sings  :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: pecan on June 06, 2011, 07:58:30 PM
FIFA seeks Placido Domingo's advice
Associated Press
http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/news/_/id/6631565/sepp-blatter-asks-opera-star-placido-domingo-fifa-adviser

LONDON -- Opera great Placido Domingo has been asked by FIFA president Sepp Blatter to join a new committee intended to help clean up world soccer's governing body.

Blatter hopes the 70-year-old Spanish-born tenor will sit on a "council of wisdom" alongside former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and former Netherlands player Johan Cruyff.

"These gentlemen are more or less advisers, they are not the experts ...," Blatter told CNN on Monday during a visit to Azerbaijan. "What they should be also is the kind of council of wisdom, which my executive committee would not like because they think they are the council of wisdom."

Domingo's best known involvement in soccer has been appearing at concerts before four consecutive World Cups from 1990 with Jose Carreras and Luciano Pavarotti, who were collectively known as The Three Tenors.

Announcing the invitation to Domingo to join the FIFA committee, Blatter said: "He is happy, he is proud that he is part (of it)."

Domingo could not be reached for comment.

Blatter also defended the decision to appoint the 88-year-old Kissinger, who has yet to make a firm commitment to become an adviser.

"People say he is an old man, but he is a wise man," Blatter said.

The committee will have the power to investigate and suggest solutions to problems as FIFA recovers from a bribery scandal, which saw executive committee members Mohamed bin Hammam and Jack Warner suspended from all soccer activities during the investigation.

After being elected last week to serve a fourth term as president, Blatter said he hopes to "bring back this credibility to FIFA."

He defended the decision to not have an independent chairman for the new solutions committee, saying he did not want to "open our border and say everyone can come in."

"The football family has asked me to solve the solution inside the FIFA and not outside the FIFA," Blatter said. "We are a very organized institution with 208 associations, six continents. I've put already zero tolerance in the agenda."

I think Kermit the Frog free for a couple months.

nah Oprah might be a better choice now that she no longer doing her daytime show.  Yeah, oprah and Blatter , nice couple.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Brownsugar on June 07, 2011, 07:33:44 AM
So, basically, this won't all be over until the fat Spaniard sings  :rotfl: :rotfl:

You can't make this sh*t up!!.... aye FIFA good yes ::)
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Dutty on June 07, 2011, 08:49:14 AM
SO?? Any news on Jack's shocking revelations??

He ent sing yet. Placido will give him lessons.

He better pray is really Placido and not Plaxido.

Or even Plaxico
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 07, 2011, 09:03:30 AM
hey guys update

FIFA not changing, is smoke and mirrors for them boys, why yuh think the headquarters is in switzerland? nuff money swapping around without record or accountablity
Blatter done say no investigation into the world cup bidding, they will throw us a bone and change the bidding /voting process.
warner is the scape goat but doh feel sorry he playing the game with them, they have more spin doctors than yuh could imagine, plus the hardest part to swallow. they might be corrupt but they not stupid nothing they have done is actually illegal (well besides moving cash accross international borders, cough cough Piarco?) even if all were proven guilty, not one would face a criminal charge, they just lose thier job and some face but done already have the money in the bank (ask duprey how he does it)
FIFA is a mafia with thier own ethics and code that the rest of us are affected by but can do nothing about it.
we are merely the crowd in the colloseum, the pros are the gladiators and fifa is the emperor

"are you not entertained?"
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 07, 2011, 09:16:40 AM
Anybody wonder how Jackula could claim to have evidence of wrongdoing and then refuse to release it upon "legal advice"? In the interest of propriety he should release it. The only reason his legal advisors would tell him not to is that he was guilty of wrongdoing and the evidence implicates him. Steups. Sometimes I feel dem other fellas does be sleeping. Jack done give people all dey need to hang he backside!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: DeSoWa on June 07, 2011, 09:19:25 AM
SO?? Any news on Jack's shocking revelations??

He ent sing yet. Placido will give him lessons.

He better pray is really Placido and not Plaxido.

Or even Plaxico

Or maybe someone would get a Placebo on corruption...

Big Up!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: weary1969 on June 07, 2011, 10:07:32 AM
FIFA BRIBERY SCANDAL
Camps, Burrell stand in Warner’s corner
Published: Tue, 2011-06-07 20:41
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Oliver Camps Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation President Oliver Camps is standing in the corner of Jack Warner during his ongoing suspension by FIFA from all football-related activities. Camps, who was in Zurich last week for the FIFA Congress, has worked closely with Warner for a long time dating back to the 1970s when he managed the T&T Senior Team straight up until 1992 during which time he became President of the TTFF up to this day. “The Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation, which is affiliated to FIFA, CONCACAF and the CFU reiterates its support for its Adviser Mr Austin Jack Warner in the matter under consideration by the FIFA,” Camps stated.

Meantime, Jamaican Football Federation President Captain Horace Burrell is also supporting Warner and has defended the Jamaica Football Federation (JFF) and the Caribbean Football Union (CFU), deflecting suggestions of guilt in the bribery scandal which has rocked the foundations of FIFA during a stormy presidential election campaign. “To restore the integrity of the region, the present leaders of the Caribbean Football Union must call on all the federations which received and kept the forty thousand US Dollars (US$40,000) bribe to return it,” stated Burrell who is the acting President of the Caribbean Football union in Warner’s absence. “FIFA’s Ethics Committee is currently considering the matter and we await the final outcome of its investigation and due process,” Burrell noted. “Let me state categorically that the JFF was not offered, neither received, any funds prior to, during or after the referenced CFU meeting held May 10-11 in Trinidad,” the acting CFU head stated.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 07, 2011, 12:14:30 PM
Or even Plaxico

This site need a pun icon...
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: zuluwarrior on June 07, 2011, 03:37:45 PM
http://www.livestream.com/power102fm 


tune people tune in it hot lasana talking about jack .
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: elan on June 07, 2011, 06:50:10 PM
No local investigation into FIFA bribe allegations
Tuesday 7th June, 2011
 
Police Commissioner, Dwayne Gibbs says he is not satisfied that any investigation is necessary into the controversial meeting of the Caribbean Football Union held on May 10th to 11th at the Hyatt hotel.
 
The Opposition PNM asked the Commissioner to investigate the meeting at which bribes were said to have been offered to delegates.
 
The PNM disclosed yesterday that it had written to the Commissioner of Police, enquiring whether an investigation had been launched into the CFU meeting hosted by Concacaf President, Jack Warner and then FIFA Presidential candidate, Mohamed Bin Hamman.
 
The allegation is that bribes of US$40,000 each amounting to over $1 million were offered to delegates. Officials of the Bahamas Football Association released pictures of the alleged bribe money supposedly taken at the CFU meeting.  Opposition Senator, Fitzgerald Hinds asked whether there had been a breech of either the  Exchange Control Act or the Customs Act.
 
Commissioner Gibbs said today that so far there is no evidence to suggest that an investigation should be launched.
 
"Well at this particular moment the police are not investigating. Until we have information that we would suggest that we enter into some sort of a criminal investigation, we won't investigate. There are a lot of allegations."
 
Journalists expressed the concern that it seems that details of high profile cases of national interest are being witheld from from the public.
 
In response, the Commissioner was adamant that the police must be cautious about the information it releases...
 
"We don't need to investigate things that there is really nothing tangible  to investigate."
 
He said despite the fact that criminal investigations have been triggered by stories in the media, the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service cannot open an investigation despite reports of affidavits being sworn by FIFA executive members about what took place at the meeting. He said the Service must act on more than just suspicion.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Flex on June 08, 2011, 04:56:03 AM
Caribbean federations won't attend FIFA hearings
T&T Express


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The majority of Caribbean football federations will not attend planned questioning with FIFA's bribery investigators, a source told Reuters yesterday.

FIFA's investigating team, which includes ex-FBI head Louis Freeh's company, were due in Miami yesterday to conduct interviews with the Caribbean federations who had been invited to attend.

But a Caribbean soccer source said that close to 20 of the 25 federations in the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) had opted not to show up for the interviews which are also scheduled for today.

"They intend to have a meeting of their own soon to discuss the situation," said the source, who declined to be named.

A FIFA spokesman declined to discuss details of the meeting or attendance in Miami.

"As you may understand and in order not to compromise the efficiency of the investigation, FIFA cannot provide details of the investigation or comment on it while it is ongoing," he said.

Three CFU officials, president Jack Warner and staff members Debbie Minguell and Jason Sylvester, have been provisionally suspended by FIFA's ethics committee pending a full inquiry into bribery allegations surrounding a meeting in the Caribbean with Asian soccer chief Mohamed Bin Hammam.

Some Caribbean federations, including the Bahamas and Puerto Rican bodies, have told FIFA they were offered money at the meeting.

The decision to not attend the interviews in Miami comes after a letter was sent by one Caribbean federation to FIFA president Sepp Blatter urging him to remove Freeh from the investigation.

"The investigation is tainted and biased and clearly has a US driven agenda," a federation official wrote in a letter to FIFA seen by Reuters.

The report to FIFA's ethics committee was initiated by American Chuck Blazer, general secretary of CONCACAF, the regional body for soccer in North and Central America and the Caribbean.

Blazer worked with Chicago-based lawyer John Collins on the dossier and with an American now leading the investigation and with the interviews being held in Florida, Blatter was asked to intervene.

The letter asked Blatter, who is not a member of the Ethics committee, to replace Freeh with a "truly independent investigator and secure a neutral venue for the interview of any Caribbean Football Union member other than the United States of America".

FIFA said it had not made any changes to the make-up of the investigation and confirmed that Freeh's organisation had been hired.

Qatari Bin Hammam, who was running against Blatter for FIFA president at the time of the meeting, has also been suspended following the bribery allegations. He also has insisted he did nothing wrong.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Flex on June 08, 2011, 04:59:13 AM
T&TFF blanks Fifa Ethics Committee
By: Nigel Simon (Guardian).


The T&T Football Federation has decided against attending a three-day meeting which began in  Miami, Florida USA yesterday as requested by the private investigators, hired by the FIFA Ethics Committee.

At the meeting, it is expected the Caribbean Football Union members will be questioned about claims they were given money as a bribe by FIFA executive member Mohammed bin Hammam of Qatar and FIFA vice-president, Jack Warner at a meeting in Trinidad on May 10 and 11.

As part of the probe into the alleged bribery allegations against the suspended duo of Warner, who is also the CONCACAF president and bin Hammam, private investigators hired by the ethics committee began to interview the heads of the CFU members at the centre of the scandal, yesterday.

However, it appears as many as 18 of the 25 associations refused to attend the summons, including the T&TFF. The letter of invitations came from FIFA ethics committee secretary Marc Cavaliero.

The probe is looking into claims the CFU members were each paid US$40,000 (in four packs of 100-dollar bills each totalling 10,000 dollars) to vote for Bin Hammam as FIFA president. Bin Hammam was the only opponent to president Sepp Blatter and he withdrew from the election in the wake of the allegations, leaving Blatter to be elected for a fourth term unopposed on June 1.

T&T calls FIFA probe bias
But one association has complained to FIFA that the investigation is “biased” towards the USA—one of the defeated bids for the 2022 World Cup—and has called for ex-FBI director Louis Freeh to be replaced as lead investigator.

A source close to the T&TFF confirmed the local federation was invited to the tribunal but turned down the offer. “Once the tribunal is being held on American soil the T&TFF will not be attending because it is felt it will be bias.” “Providing the tribunal can take place in another country, then the T&TFF will have no problem attending”.

But whistleblower, Chuck Blazer, the fired CONCACAF general secretary, and  USA’s FIFA member, who first brought the allegations to the attention of the world governing body, denied an American conspiracy is behind the investigation into the bribery scandal surrounding bin Hammam and Warner.

Blazer said: “To say there is an American conspiracy is nonsense. The only things that were American in this were the 100 dollar bills. “I have nothing to do with the investigation. If national associations do not respond to FIFA’s summons that’s up to FIFA to deal with it.”

CFU letter to FIFA

A letter of complaint to FIFA president Sepp Blatter by a Caribbean federation chairman added: “The investigation is tainted and biased and clearly has a US-driven agenda.

“I write to expose what can now be confirmed as attempts at intimidation and terrorisation by forces who wish to divide and destroy the 30-year history of the CFU.” The letter asks Blatter to replace Freeh with a “truly independent investigator and secure a neutral venue for the interview of any Caribbean Football Union member other than the USA.”

It also points out former USA president Bill Clinton worked on the USA 2022 bid, during the time Freeh was FBI director, and the main complainants, Blazer and Chicago-based lawyer John Collins, are American, as are the investigators with the “interrogation being conducted on American soil.”

The connection between Freeh and Clinton may be tenuous, however, as they had a well-publicised feud during almost all the time the former president was in the White House. A letter from FIFA’s ethics committee to the associations has told federation chiefs to meet investigators from June 7-9.

Cavaliero’s letter contained a warning to the CFU members should they fail to attend the meeting. It states: “Although you are under no obligation to attend such a meeting please be advised that the FIFA ethics committee may draw a negative inference in the event that you (i) do not make the arrangements sought herein, or (ii) do not attend the meeting requested.

“Furthermore, we kindly remind you that as an official you have a duty of disclosure and reporting, including providing any evidence requested for inspection.”

FIFA say they will pick up the tab for travel to and accommodation in Miami, USA and say if officials cannot make the dates requested they must offer an alternative to take place within the next 10 days.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bourbon on June 08, 2011, 06:39:15 AM
Puppet master still pulling the  strings.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Jah Gol on June 08, 2011, 07:45:50 AM
Puppet master still pulling the  strings.

That letter is blotted with Warner's ink. The tone is unmistakable.

Imagine they determine that the investigation is biased without even attending.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on June 08, 2011, 08:22:26 AM
Its obvious to me that Blazer and the USA are hatching a plot to subvert the CFU. I fully expect that should the CFU's top football administrators attend Miami, you will see the CIA & FBI systematically remove each member. There will be the obvious poison in an umbrella routine, several accidents involving vehicle brake lines being cut and the classic poison roti plot. Its clear now that the US President is involved and wishes to remove the power from "all these darkies" in the Caribbean. I already hear that Chris Birchall is earmarked for president of TTFF.   :rotfl:

But seriously, I find this paranoia absoloutely pathetic. Their complaint is about a senior investigative expert who is former FBI. Do they think they would get a better investigation from the Katanga Bureau of Investigation (if there is one)? And if this investigation takes place in Jamaica instead of Miami what would be the difference in the outcome?

This smacks of Jack and sounds similar to all the lame excuses TTFF threw up in their court case. FIFA should order their attendance and threaten sanctions if they don't attend. CFU are making a mockery of FIFA's already tarnished profile.

Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: tempo on June 08, 2011, 08:35:20 AM
Do they think they would get a better investigation from the Katanga Bureau of Investigation (if there is one)? And if this investigation takes place in Jamaica instead of Miami what would be the difference in the outcome?

 Nice James Bond reference.  :rotfl:

Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Jayerson on June 08, 2011, 09:18:54 AM
I'm just curious as to why, when the Bahamian official Sealy or whoever found out about the bribes money, why didn't he report to the Vice President of Concacaf, Lisle Austin or the man now in charge, the Honduran. Why is it that it was the saint in the form of Ole Saint Nic, Chuck Blazer?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 08, 2011, 09:23:59 AM
I'm just curious as to why, when the Bahamian official Sealy or whoever found out about the bribes money, why didn't he report to the Vice President of Concacaf, Lisle Austin or the man now in charge, the Honduran. Why is it that it was the saint in the form of Ole Saint Nic, Chuck Blazer?

That is a very good question.  I snot like Blazer was the head of any arm conected to CONCACAF or CFU so why him?  He isn't part of the ethics committee so how he get to be the one they reported this to?  While Jack is unquestionably tainted, I feel Blazer was working behind the scenes for some time to fracture the unity within the CFU so as to have alliances that could prove useful in bringin down JW.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Tenorsaw on June 08, 2011, 10:08:07 AM
Regardless of what the CFU is claiming, their argument against attending the investigation is flimsy.  Firstly, it is an independent entity that is conducting the investigation, not the USSF.  Also, does the site of the investigation really make a difference?  Will the air be that much different in Miami than Kingston, for example.  I believe money was offered, and the CFU members took it, but they are playing a game of "our words against theirs".  Would the Bermuda FA go to that length to produce fake evidence, knowing that it would forever be jeopardizing its relationships with the other CFU members?  I find it hard to believe.  Plus, in the midst of all of this, Jack has not produced one compelling piece of evidence in his defence, although he claims his counsel advised against doing such.  I don't know if anyone has realized this, but with the exception of Jamaica, there is a north versus south Caribbean divide in this fiasco.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on June 08, 2011, 10:39:52 AM
I'm just curious as to why, when the Bahamian official Sealy or whoever found out about the bribes money, why didn't he report to the Vice President of Concacaf, Lisle Austin or the man now in charge, the Honduran. Why is it that it was the saint in the form of Ole Saint Nic, Chuck Blazer?

That is a very good question.  I snot like Blazer was the head of any arm conected to CONCACAF or CFU so why him?  He isn't part of the ethics committee so how he get to be the one they reported this to?  While Jack is unquestionably tainted, I feel Blazer was working behind the scenes for some time to fracture the unity within the CFU so as to have alliances that could prove useful in bringin down JW.

Trust me, Blatter don't need Jack as he won't be standing for reelection. Getting rid of Jack is the best way of "proving" Blatter is cleaning up FIFA, thus diverting attention so Tiefa can continue as normal. Blazers reward will be to become Blatters new bitch so he can stand for the Presidents role. USFF want this, as it will ensure they get a WC, possible in 2022 when Blazer & Blatter can arrange a new vote based on bin Hammam being involved in the CFU bribe scandal.

Not sure there is a CFU North vs South or pro Brit/USA alliance. I just think Jack has more weight in some countries and those that refused to be coerced by Jack now see their chance to align themselves behind Blazer and rid CFU of Jack. Better to stroke the dog that has never bitten you than feed the one that has.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: weary1969 on June 08, 2011, 10:56:56 AM
Better to stroke the dog that has never bitten you than feed the one that has.
 
  :beermug: taking a permanent borrow
 
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Trinimassive on June 08, 2011, 10:59:46 AM
I see no reason why the CFU shouldn't feel that the meeting would be tilted towards the United States.
Is it any surprise that Puerto Rico and Bahamas had no problem basically breaking away from the rest and admitting money was offered. I'm not
Is Jack guilty, Yes (he admit that much already saying that is how things are done)
Is the CFU guilty of taking money, Yes.
But I wouldn't go to no meeting with FBI or CIA involved (present or former). They have a history and it's not a well balanced history.

I agree with the CFU though, It's laughable to think they should go.

At the end of all this though I expect BIG changes in CONCACAF and particularly CFU.
For a bunch of tiny islands that could all fit in most states in the US, and most of these islands never appeared at a World Cup and probably never will, countries like the US have to feel they have too much power.

The US will most likely come out stronger at the end of all this (at least that's probably Blazer's hope).




Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 08, 2011, 11:08:02 AM
Its obvious to me that Blazer and the USA are hatching a plot to subvert the CFU. I fully expect that should the CFU's top football administrators attend Miami, you will see the CIA & FBI systematically remove each member. There will be the obvious poison in an umbrella routine, several accidents involving vehicle brake lines being cut and the classic poison roti plot. Its clear now that the US President is involved and wishes to remove the power from "all these darkies" in the Caribbean. I already hear that Chris Birchall is earmarked for president of TTFF.   :rotfl:

But seriously, I find this paranoia absoloutely pathetic. Their complaint is about a senior investigative expert who is former FBI. Do they think they would get a better investigation from the Katanga Bureau of Investigation (if there is one)? And if this investigation takes place in Jamaica instead of Miami what would be the difference in the outcome?

This smacks of Jack and sounds similar to all the lame excuses TTFF threw up in their court case. FIFA should order their attendance and threaten sanctions if they don't attend. CFU are making a mockery of FIFA's already tarnished profile.



What makes Louis Freeh a "senior investigative expert"... because he held a bureaucratic post as FBI Director?  By that logic we should all be watching our women and wine glasses around outgoing CIA Chief, Panetta... Leon Panetta.  Freeh was a professor when I was in law school and frankly, he really didn't distinguish himself to me.  That being said I have no idea whether he'd be biased or not.  What I can say is that people are letting their antipathy towards Jack Warner cloud their objectivity.  

Although you said it in jest, it is unmistakeable to me the hand that's moving the strings behind the scenes here is Chuck Blazer, and the CFU officials are right to protest the heavy American involvement in the proceedings.  You think is coincidence that the FIFA Ethics Committee rep at the inquiry is from Guam... a US territory?  Guam of all places!  Unless we are to buy into the notion that only an American can properly conduct the investigations then I see no reason to want an objective third party nation conducting the inquiry.  Feel free to diminish it as paranoia, but as they say, the greatest trick the Devil ever pulled...
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Dutty on June 08, 2011, 11:15:46 AM
But seriously, I find this paranoia absoloutely pathetic. Their complaint is about a senior investigative expert who is former FBI. Do they think they would get a better investigation from the Katanga Bureau of Investigation (if there is one)? And if this investigation takes place in Jamaica instead of Miami what would be the difference in the outcome?

This smacks of Jack and sounds similar to all the lame excuses TTFF threw up in their court case. FIFA should order their attendance and threaten sanctions if they don't attend. CFU are making a mockery of FIFA's already tarnished profile.



You think perhaps Lisle Austin is really Jack Austin in disguise?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: palos on June 08, 2011, 11:22:58 AM
FIFA is quick to suspend Associations from ALL football if there is even a hint of Government interference in the running of association affairs.

I wonder if they'll be just as expeditious in suspending "rebel" CFU member territories that refuse to attend the investigation meetings?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on June 08, 2011, 11:51:56 AM
Do they think they would get a better investigation from the Katanga Bureau of Investigation (if there is one)? And if this investigation takes place in Jamaica instead of Miami what would be the difference in the outcome?

 Nice James Bond reference.  :rotfl:



Maybe if its held in Jamaica instead of Miami then everyone will get a joint to smoke at the end of the investigation, who knows?!  :mackdaddy:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on June 08, 2011, 11:58:36 AM
Better to stroke the dog that has never bitten you than feed the one that has.
 
  :beermug: taking a permanent borrow
 


Very good quote, I like it! I think I go wear that quote as well in the future myself!  :beermug:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: futbolfan on June 08, 2011, 12:10:16 PM
This is some real under hand movements by Blazer. If there is a another vote, I would like to see Netherlands-Belgium or Australia get the nod and salt everybody else (US and Hengland).
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on June 08, 2011, 12:26:05 PM
This is some real under hand movements by Blazer. If there is a another vote, I would like to see Netherlands-Belgium or Australia get the nod and salt everybody else (US and Hengland).

There is not going to be another vote on the 2022 World Cup, Blatter said this before and right after he got re-elected!

Is Warner & Bin Hammam going to retain their positions after the inquiry? That's the real question!
We'll have to wait and see but I suspect Blatter needs a fall guy or two to show the world that he is cleaning-up FIFA in his last term!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Flex on June 08, 2011, 07:29:10 PM
Bermuda isolated in FIFA bribe inquiry
By Stephen Wright (Gazette).


The Bermuda Football Association are among only a few Caribbean Football Union members agreeing to be interviewed by FIFA's bribery investigators about the cash for votes scandal.

In stark contrast the majority of the 25 members of the CFU have refused to attend planned questioning at a special hearing in Miami.

FIFA's investigating team, which includes ex-FBI head Louis Freeh's company, arrived in Miami yesterday to conduct interviews with the Caribbean nations who had been urged to attend.

Three CFU officials, president Jack Warner and staff members Debbie Minguell and Jason Sylvester, have been provisionally suspended by FIFA's ethics committee pending a full inquiry into bribery allegations surrounding a meeting in the Caribbean with Asian soccer chief Mohamed Bin Hammam.

It's understood, however, that close to 20 of the 25 CFU countries have opted not to show up for the interviews, also scheduled today, clearly indicating a growing divide at the heart of the confederation.

In an email to The Royal Gazette yesterday the BFA confirmed that they would be meeting with investigators, but didn't say whether they are attending the Miami meeting.

“The FIFA ethics committee has invited BFA officials Larry Mussenden, Gregory Grimes and David Sabir to meet with the investigation team. BFA Officials have agreed to meet with the investigative team,” it read.

The CFU nations had been summoned to appear by FIFA who said that, although they were under no obligation to attend, any failure to do so may draw a ‘negative inference'.

In a letter sent to CFU governing bodies, FIFA wrote: “Although you are under no obligation to attend such a meeting, please be advised that the FIFA Ethics Committee may draw negative inference in the event that you (i) do not make the arrangements sought herein, or (ii) do not attend the meeting requested.

“Furthermore, in this respect, we kindly remind you that as an official you have a duty if disclosure and reporting, including providing any evidence requested for inspection.”

The letter also says that any association unable to attend the meeting has a ten-day window to arrange an alternative arrangement to be interviewed.

While refusing to attend, the CFU nations have said they will hold ‘a meeting of their own soon to discuss the situation'.

One unnamed member of the CFU has branded FIFA's inquiry as “tainted and biased and clearly having a US driven agenda.”

Yesterday Chuck Blazer, general secretary of Concacaf, rejected those accusations. “It is nonsense. For 21 years their confederation has been administered from America without any claims of bias,” he said. “I find it uniquely peculiar for that charge to be made now other than as a tactic to interfere with the ethics investigation which is being managed solely by the members of the FIFA Ethics Committee.”

Bermuda were one of seven whistle-blowers who refused cash bribes from top FIFA executives Bin Hammam and Concacaf president Warner for their votes in last week's presidential election.

Those claims have since been rebuffed by 13 Caribbean countries who are supporting Warner's denial any such offer was made.

The alleged cash bribes, $40,000 offered to each nation, were made at last month's CFU special summit in Trinidad, attended by BFA second vice-president Grimes and general secretary Sabir.

Warner and Asian football chief Bin Hammam, who was running against Sepp Blatter for FIFA president at the time of the meeting, have been provisionally suspended by FIFA's ethics committee pending a full inquiry into bribery allegations.

Both men insist they did nothing wrong.
FIFA letter to CFU membersDear Sir,

On 29 May 2011, the FIFA Ethics Committee in connection with certain pending ethics proceedings, decide inter alia that further investigation, including the interview of any persons with potential knowledge of pertinent facts, should be conducted under the supervision and direction of a member of the Ethics Commitee, namely Mr. Robert Torres, with the assistant of the Secretariat to the Ethics Committee. Mr. Torres is authorized by the Ethics Committee to mandate auxiliary and external persons or entities of his choice including the interview of any possible persons (e.g. parties, witnesses).
In conjunction, and in line with the above, on behalf of Mr. Robert Torres, you are kindly requested to attend a meeting in Miami, Florida, during the period of 7 to 9 June 2011. Please contact me at your earliest convenience, in order to confirm your presence at such meeting and to arrange the travel logistics to Miami.
Please note that FIFA will reimburse your travel expenses to attend this meeting.
The purpose of this meeting will be to allow you to be interviewed by investigators working on behalf of the FIFA Ethics Committee in regard to the ethics proceedings initiated against Mr Mohamed Bin Hammam, Mr Jack Warner, Ms Debbie Minguell and Mr Jason Sylvester related to the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) special meeting that was held on 10 and 11 May 2011 in Trinidad and Tobago.
If you cannot attend a meeting on the aforementioned dates, we ask that you propose an alternative arrangement for your interview to occur within the next ten (10) calendar days.
Although you are under no obligation to attend such a meeting, please be advised that the FIFA Ethics Committee may draw negative inference in the event that you (i) do not make the arrangements sought herein, or (ii) do not attend the meeting requested.
Furthermore, in this respect, we kindly remind you that as an offcial you have a duty if disclosure and reporting, including providing any evidence requested for inspection.
Should you have any further questions in this regard, please do not hesitate to contact us.
We thank you in advance for your valuable cooperation in this matter.

Yours sincerely,
FIFA
Marc Cavaliero
Secretary to the Ethics Committee.

Letter courtesy of sky.com/news
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on June 08, 2011, 07:44:33 PM
Its obvious to me that Blazer and the USA are hatching a plot to subvert the CFU. I fully expect that should the CFU's top football administrators attend Miami, you will see the CIA & FBI systematically remove each member. There will be the obvious poison in an umbrella routine, several accidents involving vehicle brake lines being cut and the classic poison roti plot. Its clear now that the US President is involved and wishes to remove the power from "all these darkies" in the Caribbean. I already hear that Chris Birchall is earmarked for president of TTFF.   :rotfl:

But seriously, I find this paranoia absoloutely pathetic. Their complaint is about a senior investigative expert who is former FBI. Do they think they would get a better investigation from the Katanga Bureau of Investigation (if there is one)? And if this investigation takes place in Jamaica instead of Miami what would be the difference in the outcome?

This smacks of Jack and sounds similar to all the lame excuses TTFF threw up in their court case. FIFA should order their attendance and threaten sanctions if they don't attend. CFU are making a mockery of FIFA's already tarnished profile.



What makes Louis Freeh a "senior investigative expert"... because he held a bureaucratic post as FBI Director?  By that logic we should all be watching our women and wine glasses around outgoing CIA Chief, Panetta... Leon Panetta.  Freeh was a professor when I was in law school and frankly, he really didn't distinguish himself to me.  That being said I have no idea whether he'd be biased or not.  What I can say is that people are letting their antipathy towards Jack Warner cloud their objectivity.  

Although you said it in jest, it is unmistakeable to me the hand that's moving the strings behind the scenes here is Chuck Blazer, and the CFU officials are right to protest the heavy American involvement in the proceedings.  You think is coincidence that the FIFA Ethics Committee rep at the inquiry is from Guam... a US territory?  Guam of all places!  Unless we are to buy into the notion that only an American can properly conduct the investigations then I see no reason to want an objective third party nation conducting the inquiry.  Feel free to diminish it as paranoia, but as they say, the greatest trick the Devil ever pulled...

Bakes, you clearly have more knowledge of Louis Freeh, than I, however he is quoted as being an ex FBI head, so therefore I assumed he must be both senior and an expert in investigative matters. As CONCACAF HQ is in USA, it makes sense to me to appoint a former FBI person. I see no bias there at all. However, what are the alternatives? It certainly can't be someone from the Caribbean. Maybe a South American? A Canadian? Or do they go outside CONCACAF and Latin America and opt for a European?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Cocorite on June 08, 2011, 07:46:04 PM
Any Tsunami Jack wanted to unleashis probably will implicate himself so he ain't too quick to drop squeal
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 08, 2011, 08:11:39 PM
Bakes, you clearly have more knowledge of Louis Freeh, than I, however he is quoted as being an ex FBI head, so therefore I assumed he must be both senior and an expert in investigative matters. As CONCACAF HQ is in USA, it makes sense to me to appoint a former FBI person. I see no bias there at all. However, what are the alternatives? It certainly can't be someone from the Caribbean. Maybe a South American? A Canadian? Or do they go outside CONCACAF and Latin America and opt for a European?

I addressed your statement rubbishing concerns about Freeh, to say that we can draw no inferences about his impartiality (or even competency in conducting investigations) based on the simple fact that he headed the FBI.  Such a position is a bureaucratic appointment and not one necessarily indicative of merit in the field/industry.  Freeh was an FBI agent for only 4 yrs before leaving to join the US Attorney's office in NY.  He then went into private practice before being appointed a federal judge, and from there Clinton put him in charge of the FBI.  It's not as though he was a career FBI agent who rose thru the ranks.  I mentioned Panetta for reference... it would be erroneous to draw any inferences about his expertise in espionage based simply on the fact that he is Obama's CIA Chief.  If you look at Panetta's past you would see that he is a career politician/bureacrat. I could even mention Janet Napolitano (head of Homeland Security, and former NM Governor) as well.   One can conclude nothing from the simple fact that someone heads an Agency.

At any rate my issue is less about Louis Freeh than it is about this inquiry itself and how it's being conducted.  Don't you think it a little bit... I dunno, coincidental, suspicious... unsettling even... that the meeting will be held in Miami (subjecting participants to American jurisdiction should that later become an issue), conducted by an American investigator (Freeh), under the watch of an Ethics Committee representative (Robert Torres) who himself is from an American territory (Guam), when the basis for the charges were already investigated by an American (Collins), at the behest of another American (Blazer)?

Even if you say Miami was chosen as a venue out of convenience (why Miami and not another Caribbean nation, this being a CFU issue after all?) Has an American EVER before lead ANY FIFA investigation? And reflecting some of the criticism lodged at the Caribbean nations by some of your countrymen... do they even play football in Guam??  All of this just seem too convenient to Blazer's cause for my liking, and as I've said before I don't trust Blazer as far as I can throw him.  Blazer is clearly angling to take over CONCACAF, a situation which would have disastrous results for Caribbean nations.  You may not be aware of the "soccer" culture here, but they see CONCACAF as the US, Mexico and everyone else.  If they are to throw a bone to any other region it would first go to Central American nations like Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras b/c the US respects their talent more than they do Caribbean talent.  We might as well be some backward outpost on the footballing map, and that is precisely how they are portraying the CFU right now, a bunch of corrupt, greedy backwards nations, happy to accept whatever handout, legal or otherwise that's thrown their way.  If you can't detect the cultural stereotypes being portrayed here, let me tell you... as a Caribbean national it's very obvious to me, and sadly it's one that many of us are well familiar with.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Jayerson on June 09, 2011, 07:32:27 AM
Bakes, you clearly have more knowledge of Louis Freeh, than I, however he is quoted as being an ex FBI head, so therefore I assumed he must be both senior and an expert in investigative matters. As CONCACAF HQ is in USA, it makes sense to me to appoint a former FBI person. I see no bias there at all. However, what are the alternatives? It certainly can't be someone from the Caribbean. Maybe a South American? A Canadian? Or do they go outside CONCACAF and Latin America and opt for a European?

I addressed your statement rubbishing concerns about Freeh, to say that we can draw no inferences about his impartiality (or even competency in conducting investigations) based on the simple fact that he headed the FBI.  Such a position is a bureaucratic appointment and not one necessarily indicative of merit in the field/industry.  Freeh was an FBI agent for only 4 yrs before leaving to join the US Attorney's office in NY.  He then went into private practice before being appointed a federal judge, and from there Clinton put him in charge of the FBI.  It's not as though he was a career FBI agent who rose thru the ranks.  I mentioned Panetta for reference... it would be erroneous to draw any inferences about his expertise in espionage based simply on the fact that he is Obama's CIA Chief.  If you look at Panetta's past you would see that he is a career politician/bureacrat. I could even mention Janet Napolitano (head of Homeland Security, and former NM Governor) as well.   One can conclude nothing from the simple fact that someone heads an Agency.

At any rate my issue is less about Louis Freeh than it is about this inquiry itself and how it's being conducted.  Don't you think it a little bit... I dunno, coincidental, suspicious... unsettling even... that the meeting will be held in Miami (subjecting participants to American jurisdiction should that later become an issue), conducted by an American investigator (Freeh), under the watch of an Ethics Committee representative (Robert Torres) who himself is from an American territory (Guam), when the basis for the charges were already investigated by an American (Collins), at the behest of another American (Blazer)?

Even if you say Miami was chosen as a venue out of convenience (why Miami and not another Caribbean nation, this being a CFU issue after all?) Has an American EVER before lead ANY FIFA investigation? And reflecting some of the criticism lodged at the Caribbean nations by some of your countrymen... do they even play football in Guam??  All of this just seem too convenient to Blazer's cause for my liking, and as I've said before I don't trust Blazer as far as I can throw him.  Blazer is clearly angling to take over CONCACAF, a situation which would have disastrous results for Caribbean nations.  You may not be aware of the "soccer" culture here, but they see CONCACAF as the US, Mexico and everyone else.  If they are to throw a bone to any other region it would first go to Central American nations like Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras b/c the US respects their talent more than they do Caribbean talent.  We might as well be some backward outpost on the footballing map, and that is precisely how they are portraying the CFU right now, a bunch of corrupt, greedy backwards nations, happy to accept whatever handout, legal or otherwise that's thrown their way.  If you can't detect the cultural stereotypes being portrayed here, let me tell you... as a Caribbean national it's very obvious to me, and sadly it's one that many of us are well familiar with.

Well said Bakes!! The more and more I look at this situation, the more this doesn't totally add up. Starting with the nations that said they were bribed. Bermuda, Bahamas, Puerto Rico, Cayman Islands and Turks & Caicos, I won't be surprised if US Virgin Islands in the mix too.

Also, when Chuck Blazer said he's very proud of Sealy (the Bahamian official) for standing up in the face of a whole community where they were taking bribes, that's a clear reference to the rest of the CFU and what he thinks. If one cannot see that Blazer is making a run for the head of Concacaf post or at least putting someone in charge that shares his interest, then you're blind. As with normal american politics, this football politics is about seeking what's best for American interest. Right now, with CFU controlling a lot of what goes on politically in Concacaf, there is a misalignment of American on-field interests and objectives and that from a Concacaf political standpoint.

And all this from a guy who has been in cahoots with Jack for almost two decades when it suited him.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: royal on June 09, 2011, 08:47:19 AM
Warner won't meet investigators
 
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Warner: No summons from investigators yet .
 
.Suspended FIFA vice-president Jack Warner says he has no plans to meet investigators probing bribery allegations.

FIFA have agreed to move the venue of the interviews with those Caribbean Football Union (CFU) members who refused to travel to Miami but Warner will not be among those quizzed by investigators.

Warner, alleged along with fellow FIFA member Mohamed Bin Hammam to have paid bribes totalling 1million US dollars to Caribbean associations, told Press Association Sport: "I have not received any summons asking me to speak with them [the investigators] nor do I plan to do so."

Up to 18 of the 25 CFU associations alleged to have been paid or offered bribes of 40,000 US dollars each refused FIFA's call to go to Miami to provide evidence. They also called for FIFA to replace ex-FBI director Louis Freeh as lead investigator.

A CFU source said however that FIFA had agreed to a new venue for the interviews and that they were prepared to co-operate with any "independent and unbiased" investigation.

The CFU suggested Barbados and Trinidad as options for a different venue to Miami but it is believed FIFA will choose an island elsewhere in the Caribbean.

Warner and Bin Hammam have been suspended pending the investigation into allegations they paid bribes at a meeting of CFU officials in Trinidad on May 10 and 11. They deny any wrongdoing.

Meanwhile the president of the Barbados Football Association, Ronald Jones, has insisted he nor his officials were offered any bribes by Bin Hamman or Warner.


teamtalk

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Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on June 09, 2011, 08:49:38 AM
Well, its obviously difficult for me to see things through Trini eyes on this one!

I see a power struggle between the mostly Warner controlled CFU and CONCACAF, which USA, Canada and Mexico think they should control. Democratically, they may be wrong, but I can see why they feel they should have more power, yet I understand that from CFU's point of view, they need equal representation.

But as much as I appreciate the need to consider CFU's views, it is a case of the tail wagging the dog. Somehow there needs to be a balance where, for instance, Grenedas concerns are considered equal to USA's concerns. However, how can it be fair that each has as much power? Of course its democratically correct, but seriously, not one CFU country will ever host a world cup, so how can each federations concerns be the same? Grenedas vote bears the same weight as USA's, but there's 25 "Grenedas"  

This brings you to the next issue. Once you control 13 votes in CFU, you control CONCACAF. Considering the "us against them" attitude, which is also displayed blatently on this site, obtaining 13 votes by fair means or foul is not difficult.

So, maybe Blazer has learned from the master? Maybe he has "out Jacked" Jack. If Blazer convinced 5 nations to turn on Jack doesn't that remind you of Jacks divide and conquer strategy with the players?

Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on June 09, 2011, 09:50:15 AM
Well, its obviously difficult for me to see things through Trini eyes on this one!

I see a power struggle between the mostly Warner controlled CFU and CONCACAF, which USA, Canada and Mexico think they should control. Democratically, they may be wrong, but I can see why they feel they should have more power, yet I understand that from CFU's point of view, they need equal representation.

But as much as I appreciate the need to consider CFU's views, it is a case of the tail wagging the dog. Somehow there needs to be a balance where, for instance, Grenedas concerns are considered equal to USA's concerns. However, how can it be fair that each has as much power? Of course its democratically correct, but seriously, not one CFU country will ever host a world cup, so how can each federations concerns be the same? Grenedas vote bears the same weight as USA's, but there's 25 "Grenedas"  

This brings you to the next issue. Once you control 13 votes in CFU, you control CONCACAF. Considering the "us against them" attitude, which is also displayed blatently on this site, obtaining 13 votes by fair means or foul is not difficult.

So, maybe Blazer has learned from the master? Maybe he has "out Jacked" Jack. If Blazer convinced 5 nations to turn on Jack doesn't that remind you of Jacks divide and conquer strategy with the players?

Good post! Only thing yuh mis-spell Grenada as Greneda!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: soccerman on June 09, 2011, 10:01:22 AM
Agreed with Bakes points, Blazer is trying to take away Jack's power and eventually try to be the head on CONCACAF. The it will be US, Mexico, Canada (I'll add them) and everyone else....they won't have time for the small islands like us. I mean look at the situation, the charges were pressed by Americans, is supposed to be investigated by Americans and affiliates and meeting to be held in Miami. Don't know but this sounds fishy to me.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 09, 2011, 11:04:26 AM
Well, its obviously difficult for me to see things through Trini eyes on this one!

I see a power struggle between the mostly Warner controlled CFU and CONCACAF, which USA, Canada and Mexico think they should control. Democratically, they may be wrong, but I can see why they feel they should have more power, yet I understand that from CFU's point of view, they need equal representation.

But as much as I appreciate the need to consider CFU's views, it is a case of the tail wagging the dog. Somehow there needs to be a balance where, for instance, Grenedas concerns are considered equal to USA's concerns. However, how can it be fair that each has as much power? Of course its democratically correct, but seriously, not one CFU country will ever host a world cup, so how can each federations concerns be the same? Grenedas vote bears the same weight as USA's, but there's 25 "Grenedas" 

This brings you to the next issue. Once you control 13 votes in CFU, you control CONCACAF. Considering the "us against them" attitude, which is also displayed blatently on this site, obtaining 13 votes by fair means or foul is not difficult.

So, maybe Blazer has learned from the master? Maybe he has "out Jacked" Jack. If Blazer convinced 5 nations to turn on Jack doesn't that remind you of Jacks divide and conquer strategy with the players?



You're my boy so I will be civil in addressing this... but frankly, it's very difficult for me to contain my anger reading this.  Extrapolating your argument... then FIFA should be controlled exclulsively by European nations, with the occasional vote to a Brazil, Argentina, US or Nigeria?  In fact why should any of the smaller countries even bother trying to have a voice when we could just have the colonial masters dictate to us what's best for us?

Maybe you're unfamiliar with the teminology... but to refer to this situation as "the tail wagging the dog" implies that there is something fundamentally wrong, backwards even, about the Caribbean nations having as equal a say as the North American nations.  I'm curious as to why you think that Caribbean leadership of CONCACAF, or Caribbean influence within it... is such an intrinsically flawed proposition. Is leadership capabilities premised on the ability to host a WC, is that really what you're suggesting? Why does each federations concerns have to be the same?  Do you honestly think the CONMEBOL's concerns are the same as UEFA's?  Or that CAF's are the same as the AFC?  Again, your argument proposes that only countries/federations with identical concerns should be given a seat at the table.  You complain about FIFA being run by a tiny cabal, only to argue that it should be replaced by another tiny cabal.

What is unfair about 'one nation, one vote'?  This is very reminiscent of the whole blacks counting as 3/5 of a person thing in the US Constitution.  Voting power was based on population, and the Southern US states had a greater population because of the blacks held in slavery.  As a compromise it was decided blacks would only count as three-fifths of a person.  I hope you see what a dangerous path you're treading.  Finally, if you think the "us against them" attitude (whatever that means) is blatant here... try taking a gander over to bigsoccer.com sometimes and see what the sentiments there are like towards CONCACAF's non- North American members.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: DeSoWa on June 09, 2011, 11:13:40 AM
Well, its obviously difficult for me to see things through Trini eyes on this one!

I see a power struggle between the mostly Warner controlled CFU and CONCACAF, which USA, Canada and Mexico think they should control. Democratically, they may be wrong, but I can see why they feel they should have more power, yet I understand that from CFU's point of view, they need equal representation.

But as much as I appreciate the need to consider CFU's views, it is a case of the tail wagging the dog. Somehow there needs to be a balance where, for instance, Grenedas concerns are considered equal to USA's concerns. However, how can it be fair that each has as much power? Of course its democratically correct, but seriously, not one CFU country will ever host a world cup, so how can each federations concerns be the same? Grenedas vote bears the same weight as USA's, but there's 25 "Grenedas" 

This brings you to the next issue. Once you control 13 votes in CFU, you control CONCACAF. Considering the "us against them" attitude, which is also displayed blatently on this site, obtaining 13 votes by fair means or foul is not difficult.

So, maybe Blazer has learned from the master? Maybe he has "out Jacked" Jack. If Blazer convinced 5 nations to turn on Jack doesn't that remind you of Jacks divide and conquer strategy with the players?



You're my boy so I will be civil in addressing this... but frankly, it's very difficult for me to contain my anger reading this.  Extrapolating your argument... then FIFA should be controlled exclulsively by European nations, with the occasional vote to a Brazil, Argentina, US or Nigeria?  In fact why should any of the smaller countries even bother trying to have a voice when we could just have the colonial masters dictate to us what's best for us?

Maybe you're unfamiliar with the teminology... but to refer to this situation as "the tail wagging the dog" implies that there is something fundamentally wrong, backwards even, about the Caribbean nations having as equal a say as the North American nations.  I'm curious as to why you think that Caribbean leadership of CONCACAF, or Caribbean influence within it... is such an intrinsically flawed proposition. Is leadership capabilities premised on the ability to host a WC, is that really what you're suggesting? Why does each federations concerns have to be the same?  Do you honestly think the CONMEBOL's concerns are the same as UEFA's?  Or that CAF's are the same as the AFC?  Again, your argument proposes that only countries/federations with identical concerns should be given a seat at the table.  You complain about FIFA being run by a tiny cabal, only to argue that it should be replaced by another tiny cabal.

What is unfair about 'one nation, one vote'?  This is very reminiscent of the whole blacks counting as 3/5 of a person thing in the US Constitution.  Voting power was based on population, and the Southern US states had a greater population because of the blacks held in slavery.  As a compromise it was decided blacks would only count as three-fifths of a person.  I hope you see what a dangerous path you're treading.  Finally, if you think the "us against them" attitude (whatever that means) is blatant here... try taking a gander over to bigsoccer.com sometimes and see what the sentiments there are like towards CONCACAF's non- North American members.

I think some people on here are a little clouded by the fact that they want to get rid of Jack by any means necessary and for them the end justifies the means...but they not seeing the bigger picture of what is really happening here. From the start I saw all this as fishy and a big setup from the start.

We all know that Jack is a cancer to our football, and we should be trying to get competent people to replace him, not other crooks who are after their own agendas.

Big Up!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: KND2 on June 09, 2011, 11:34:26 AM
No point investigation everyone know Jack guilty.

But what he did is not illegal in FIFA they just embarassed it is out in the open.

I dont expect he will lose his work for this
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on June 09, 2011, 11:53:55 AM
No point investigation everyone know Jack guilty.

But what he did is not illegal in FIFA they just embarassed it is out in the open.

I dont expect he will lose his work for this

Have you been following what's going on KND?

Blatter needs a fall guy to give the world the appearance that he is determined to clean up FIFA in his last term and Jack has unwittingly selected himself as the scapegoat especially since Blatter does not need Jack's support anymore to remain in power if this is going to be his last term!

Jack will only keep his job if he has seriously damaging files on Blatter to reveal and is prepared to reveal them!!
Problem Jack has is that most of the seriously damaging files that he may have on Blatter is probably also damaging to himself hence the advice from his lawyers to stay quiet!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socafan on June 09, 2011, 01:57:36 PM
Well, its obviously difficult for me to see things through Trini eyes on this one!

I see a power struggle between the mostly Warner controlled CFU and CONCACAF, which USA, Canada and Mexico think they should control. Democratically, they may be wrong, but I can see why they feel they should have more power, yet I understand that from CFU's point of view, they need equal representation.

But as much as I appreciate the need to consider CFU's views, it is a case of the tail wagging the dog. Somehow there needs to be a balance where, for instance, Grenedas concerns are considered equal to USA's concerns. However, how can it be fair that each has as much power? Of course its democratically correct, but seriously, not one CFU country will ever host a world cup, so how can each federations concerns be the same? Grenedas vote bears the same weight as USA's, but there's 25 "Grenedas"  

This brings you to the next issue. Once you control 13 votes in CFU, you control CONCACAF. Considering the "us against them" attitude, which is also displayed blatently on this site, obtaining 13 votes by fair means or foul is not difficult.

So, maybe Blazer has learned from the master? Maybe he has "out Jacked" Jack. If Blazer convinced 5 nations to turn on Jack doesn't that remind you of Jacks divide and conquer strategy with the players?



Football Supporter....always assumed you were "one of us". (Don't worry a divergent perspective is always important so don't make that semi-slight put yuh off.)

I'm sure the North Americans arrogantly feel they should run Concacaf, but by what metric? You say you can see why but you need to explain that. WHY?? You say that it is a case of the tail wagging the dog but that itself is a very arrogant and condescending position for you to have. By what metric are the North Americans the head? and the whole of the rest of Concacaf the tail? In fact, shouldn't it reasonably be the other way around? It is precisely because of the CFU that Concacaf has so much power within FIFA.
There is a mentality in your thinking that smacks of "I'm superior because I'm......." inject any one of a number of familiar offensives here.
Its 1 nation 1 vote...Don't insult the people of the CFU. They we are not stupid robots. Its football we talking 'bout, OF COURSE THERE IS AN US AGAINST THEM ATTITUDE on this site. Just like on any other site the world over. Doh geh tieup.

Blazer's problem is when the complaint was made to him, he had no choice but to cover his ass and to act or be lumped in with the problems about to be heaped on Warner. He take infront before behind ketch him so to speak. PLUS, a perfect opportunity for a power grab presented itself. Or so he thinks. When all is said and done, no matter what happens to Warner, within Concacaf, I believe Blazer will have a warm time of it because, yes he pissed off the CFU. His dogs dead too. 
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: soccerrama on June 09, 2011, 02:37:43 PM
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/927080/jack-warner-won't-meet-fifa-investigators?cc=3888


June 9, 2011
Warner won't meet investigators

Suspended FIFA vice-president Jack Warner says he has no plans to meet investigators probing corruption allegations, as the president of the Barbados Football Association revealed none of his delegates were offered bribes.

FIFA have agreed to move the venue of the interviews with those Caribbean Football Union (CFU) members who refused to travel to Miami but Warner will not be among those quizzed by investigators.

Warner is alleged, along with fellow FIFA member Mohamed Bin Hammam, to have paid bribes totalling US$1million to Caribbean associations, but said: ''I have not received any summons asking me to speak with them [the investigators] nor do I plan to do so.''

Warner and Bin Hammam have been suspended pending the investigation into allegations they paid bribes at a meeting of CFU officials in Trinidad on May 10 and 11. They deny any wrongdoing.

Indeed, the president of the Barbados Football Association, Ronald Jones, has insisted he nor his officials were offered any bribes by Bin Hamman or Warner.

Jones said in a statement: ''None of our delegates were offered any inducements or gifts to support any of the candidates during the meeting on May 10.

''Our delegates listened to the speeches by Mohamed Bin Hamman, who was there to make a case as to why he would need the support of FIFA members of the CFU.

''The Barbados Football Association was made aware that the trip and accommodation were sponsored by Mohamed Bin Hamman under the auspices of the CFU. The BFA did not and does not see this as akin to bribery or any inducements as in the past trips by Caribbean delegates to meetings have been sponsored by the organisation and agency that wanted to put on the programme.''

Meanwhile, fresh evidence that Caribbean football officials were given brown envelopes containing "gifts" of 40,000 US dollars in cash has been revealed.
A number of associations of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) have denied receiving any cash, while four have said they were offered and refused the money.

The president of the Surinam FA confirmed to the Press Association that he was handed 40,000 dollars, in 100 dollar bills, at a special meeting of the CFU in Trinidad on May 10.

Louis Giskus insists however that he was told it was a gift from the CFU to spend on development projects. He said he returned to Surinam that day - missing a meeting the following day when, according to an affidavit submitted to FIFA, association officials were told by CFU president Jack Warner that the cash was a gift from fellow FIFA member Mohamed Bin Hammam.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: davyjenny1 on June 09, 2011, 02:44:57 PM
Better to stroke the dog that has never bitten you than feed the one that has.
 
  :beermug: taking a permanent borrow
 



What if its a child and the child is yours?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 09, 2011, 03:59:01 PM
Man cah see de forrest fuh de trees oui!  Blazer is ah stinkin rat dat dying to take over CONCACAF an if da happen truss me we go rell ketch we ass wey football is concerned.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bourbon on June 09, 2011, 04:27:40 PM
Man cah see de forrest fuh de trees oui!  Blazer is ah stinkin rat dat dying to take over CONCACAF an if da happen truss me we go rell ketch we ass wey football is concerned.

Yep. I suspect so.


Ting is....how much could we really say that Jack being in control of CONCACAF has done for us?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Trinimassive on June 09, 2011, 05:00:04 PM
Man cah see de forrest fuh de trees oui!  Blazer is ah stinkin rat dat dying to take over CONCACAF an if da happen truss me we go rell ketch we ass wey football is concerned.

Yep. I suspect so.


Ting is....how much could we really say that Jack being in control of CONCACAF has done for us?

Jack run T&T football in an unprofessional way to say the least, but we've had numerous CONCACAF and CFU qualifying games played  in T&T particularly youth football (most times we didn't make use of)
I'm sure he had something to do with that.

He probably had something to do with T&T hosting 2 youth World Cups. (that prob won't happen again)

I would expect many changes, the Caribbean will more than likely get salt.

 I wouldn't be surprised to see the single island single vote become all islands together (CFU) equal one vote.

He on the ropes right now and FIFA prob just trying to figure out what to do with him. My guess is that he prob won't get ban because it better for FIFA to keep an eye on him as opposed to him being on the loose lol.

Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Deeks on June 09, 2011, 05:07:04 PM
He probably had something to do with T&T hosting 2 youth World Cups. (that prob won't happen again)

Probably?????


I wouldn't be surprised to see the single island single vote become all islands together (CFU) equal one vote.


Unlikely.  They could try to make only one caribbean team qualify for the Hex.


we've had numerous CONCACAF and CFU qualifying games played  in T&T particularly youth football (most times we didn't make use of)
I'm sure he had something to do with that.



True. But the attendances were abysmall.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 09, 2011, 05:09:18 PM
Jack run T&T football in an unprofessional way to say the least, but we've had numerous CONCACAF and CFU qualifying games played  in T&T particularly youth football (most times we didn't make use of)
I'm sure he had something to do with that.

He probably had something to do with T&T hosting 2 youth World Cups. (that prob won't happen again)
I would expect many changes, the Caribbean will more than likely get salt.

 I wouldn't be surprised to see the single island single vote become all islands together (CFU) equal one vote.

He on the ropes right now and FIFA prob just trying to figure out what to do with him. My guess is that he prob won't get ban because it better for FIFA to keep an eye on him as opposed to him being on the loose lol.



I now coming to say this... and not just TnT, the whole region on the whole benefitted.  Let's not even talk about the extra CONCACAF spot that allowed us to go Germany.  You really think the US was going to stick they neck out to get that knowing that they assured of their top 2 finish every 4 yrs?  I am all for getting rid of Jack, but that cannot be done without an eye to the future.  We run a very strong risk of throwing out the baby with the proverbial bath water.

As for the "one nation, one vote" system currently in place, I really don't see it changing anytime soon.  After all... do we every hear complaints about facking Macedonia or Monaco having the same voting power as England?  That will have to change too.  Shit how the hell is Qatar going to keep it's World Cup when it not even big enough to vote?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bourbon on June 09, 2011, 05:48:20 PM
The half spot yes....no doubt there.

The world cups...well who benefit do you think was on Jack's mind most when angling for those?

The thing is....did we or did our federation seek to maximise potential benefits to us to advance us in any way?

What benefit did Trinidad and Tobago football obtain from Jack's position? The half spot is the easiest thing that comes to mind. I wondering about anything else.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Brownsugar on June 09, 2011, 06:42:55 PM

What benefit did Trinidad and Tobago football obtain from Jack's position? The half spot is the easiest thing that comes to mind. I wondering about anything else.

Me too....anyone??  Outside of the half spot, some stadia (or stadiums??   ???), what else did we gain??  Ah curious eh cuz ah feel mih obvious bias towards Jack/TTFF might be clouding mih objectivity here....so take it away  forumites.....
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 09, 2011, 07:17:20 PM
So wait... allyuh really gainsaying all these international tournaments Jack bring to the region?  Allyuh have any idea how much people mouth them thing put food in?  Look, Jack looked out fuh Jack first... no denying that.  But even if the benefits were tangential I go take that.  If in stuffing his pockets with seed some corn fall and plant along the way that is still more than we would have received without his influence.

Under a facking Blazer we getting nutten but salt as somebody post above.  All them World Cup and thing was going to the US and Mexico.  Having successfully passed test after test that helped to show TnT as being a viable host to international events such as the Summits after that. That positive exposure should not be discounted.  And yes... I'll add the "couple stadia" to the list too.  I'm not here to sing Jack's praises, but let's not all of a sudden start acting like we didn't see any benefit under his reign.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: maxg on June 09, 2011, 07:50:21 PM
if yuh want to Hang-Jack play fair, a lil thiefing in count, low, even mis-deal could be automatic forfeit...Bakes like yuh have yuh 1st major case guy...ah know yuh doh like the defendant, buh as the ppl's lawyer, yuh must represent...and yuh doing ah fine job...Keep it up, he deserve it..he did a lot for this region (all of it),  and those Important leaders in this region who say different, is real dog.....nah, my issues is not with Jack Business dealings and stunts, business is business (or yesterday was yesterday), and he does handle his... my issue is with the ppl responsible for handling TT football business, part of dealing with Jack.....is with those who acting like they doing business, and NEVER do shite, for years...all the time depending on Jack to tell them what to do, who to hire, whey to get money, who to give money, where to play games....dem mannequins ...and Jack being Jack moving he lips not caring who in the audience see...and dem just sitting on he lap and blinking dey eyes, acting all normal, ah would call them invalids, but ah doh wha come across as being uncaring to does ppl who are really afflicted and in need...
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bourbon on June 09, 2011, 08:45:31 PM
I acknowledge I could be seen as biased....hence i asking.
It might just be cynical me seeing Jack getting the majority of the benefits from international tournaments....and while other people benefitted in some way...they could be considered as scraps.


There is no doubt that if Blazer etc was in control.....we had absolutely no chance whatsoever of having a snif at the so called benefits. I not disputing that. Which is why I not sure what or how to feel about this whole affair....I wondering what the end of this would mean for us as a nation in everything...especially football.

But in the back of my I still have to think.....what most at risk if the worst for Jack happens? What changes could I expect? Which is why asking what could we say we got as a result of Jack's position?

It had NO WAY we were getting that extra half spot. NONE. In fact the actions that were taken after we qualified in the play off against an Asian team immediately made that half spot more or less not a spot at all because of the change for the playoff to be against CONEMBOL. I wouldnt doubt Jack probably lobbied but the logistical reasons were there for it to happen..and it happened. I cant even blame him for it being done like that because to get it in the first place was an epic undertaking. But what else?


International tournaments. Ok. Good. It had no way we would have gotten that. What benefit did that do for us? Did we build successfully on any platform it could and should have provided? And I speaking football-wise. In what way could we say we were better off as a result of the tournaments? Stadia that poorly maintained?
What?


Outside of football....lets say revenue.
Even for provision of revenue...jobs....opportunity etc.....is it so much in comparison to the whole? So much so to be considered as out of some concern for those who received?

If a man eat a banana...and throw de skin on the ground....he set out to feed the ants? Its a rough analogy but try to understand my thinking. Could we say that aye....we have a man up in FIFA...for better or for worse....he does still check for we.


People does cuss residents from Beetham because of how protective they are of drug lords etc. Many times you hear them say..." He does put food on de table...he always helping somebody...he do so so so for we."
Not that they disputing maybe he wrong ways...but he does check for dem so dey grateful for that.


You think those same residents would be so protective of those elements if they didnt give back to the community in any way at all? Hardly likely. Which is my biggest grouse with Jack. Tiefing notwithstanding.....I wondering if it is indeed fair of me even think of rejoicing or anything of the sort with this kinda saga playing off. I just asking. And I willing to be shown it differently.


And i expecting men like diamondtrim and frico and others to educate me.



Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on June 09, 2011, 10:40:44 PM
Socafan & Bakes...to reply to your posts jointly.

Maybe being English, I too have bias that I'm not aware of. But my point about the tail wagging the dog was not meant to be disrespectful, but more , descriptive. However we all feel about representation in CONCACAF, you cannot dismiss the fact that USA & Mexico are the regions footballing powers on the field. Therefore, the arrogance of these countries, while not acceptable, can be understood. Now if there truly was a one nation, one vote system in operation, these countries would find it hard to complain. BUT THERES NOT. CFU consistently vote as a block. Their 25 votes out of 40 control CONCACAF. Now, of course, many countries in FIFA horse trade and lobby for votes, but aside from United Kingdom & Northern Ireland, there is no discernable "official" grouping other than CFU. I guess we assume that Jack pulls the CFU strings, and its no coincidence that bin Hammam met CFU outside of CONCACAF. So, like em or hate em, USA & Mexico must be pretty miffed because even if their proposals are good, they have to be accepted by CFU (read Jack) and I'm guessing thats why T&T gets so many advantages. I'm also guessing that other CFU nations put up with this because, as Bakes would put it, they get a little corn from the pockets.

Now you all can talk about slavery and disrespect etc all you want, but if you can't see how my analogy of a tail wagging a dog and my reference to the manipulation of one nation one vote was meant, then I feel I may have unwittingly missed something and I apologise if I've disrespected anyone on this site.

In my view the whole balance in world football is misaligned. Football is a sport where performance equals rewards. This is not so in FIFA administration. I would have EXCO members drawn from the top 20 nations in the FIFA lists averaged over 2 years. You would then have a "promotion & relegation" system. Of course, being a top 20 nation doesn't mean you can provide a top 20 administrator, but logic says that they must be pretty experienced. As a balance, the other 4 places could be selected by an "independent" panel.

Currently, these are the top 20:
1  Spain 
2  Netherlands 
3  Brazil
4  Germany
5  Argentina
6  England
7  Uruguay 
8  Portugal 
9  Italy 
10  Croatia 
11  Norway
12  Greece 
13  Chile
14  Japan
15  Ghana
16  Serbia 
17  Slovenia
18  Russia 
19  France
20  Australia

But, no CONCACAF, only one African and one Asian, so thats where the 4 others should come from.

Now check the current EXCO:

Argentina
Cameroon
Trinidad & Tobago
Spain
France
Papua New Guinea
Jordan
Northern Ireland (I believe this represents the guaranteed UK spot)
Belgium
Brazil
Qatar
Turkey
USA
Thailand
Paraguay
Cyprus
Ivory Coast
Guatemala
Egypt
Russia
Algeria
Sri Lanka
Germany

Only 7 of the "top 20" nations represented. Why shouldn't Netherlands be represented when Papua New Guinea is?

Now I know you're all going to shoot me down and talk about equity and democracy and fair representation. But before you do, remember that WE don't get a choice. You can't earn a place on EXCO.

In the old days in England, the football association was similar to FIFA. Every chairman had an equal vote. Problem was, the 70 clubs below Division 1 outweighed the big boys. So the chairman of Doncaster Rovers carried the same weight as the Chairman of Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal etc. Traditionally, the boys from the North East (Leeds, Bradford, Sheffield etc) voted as a block. If you check how stagnated English football was up until the 90's you will understand my point. Clubs that never had the desire to reach Division One and play in Europe didn't give a s**t about making stadia safe and media friendly. They weren't interested in merchandising and executive boxes. They were old school mill owners smoking big cigars, driving jaguars and enjoying being king of their little hills.

The English Premier League is successful because the most successful clubs make the decisions. Of course, they make most of them to suit themselves, but every league club has benefitted. My club, Gillingham, will probably never play in the Premiership. But we have a completely refurbished stadium, and financially we can just about survive. (I remember we literally had a whip round amongst supporters to save the club back in the 80's. We once sold a player for a set of tracksuits!)

As much as I despise Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal etc for their money and bought success, I understand that they have saved English football and allowed my club to survive. After all, who would subscribe to Fox to watch Gillingham vs Sc**thorpe? Or Papua New Guinea vs Sri Lanka?

And by the way, I don't think UK should have an automatic spot on EXCO. It should be earned. But given the current administration, I'm glad its there!   

Sorry, it always makes me laugh when the site automatically inserts *** into Sc**thorpe  :rotfl: Scunny is so bad you can't even write their name  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 09, 2011, 11:17:29 PM
Bourbon, in the 6 yrs I've been on this site we've had this debate about "Jack Warner: Good or Bad?" several times.  At this point people are entrenched in their beliefs and I see no need to rehash it.  In your mind the stadia don't mean anything because they're not properly maintained... I suppose in sourcing funds to build them, Jack was supposed to properly maintain them too.  In creating jobs, it's a drop in the overall bucket, so negligible as to not count for anything.  How am I supposed to argue against that?  You can't create jobs for everyone, you can only do what you can to help those you can reach.  In the end you're setting up a strawman argument, even if you don't mean to do so.  Your entire post culminates in the unasked question "Was Jack Warner a bigger benefit or detriment to TnT football?"... which of course isn't what this discussion is about.  It's about identifying benefits we currently have that we definitely would not have had in his absence.

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Now if there truly was a one nation, one vote system in operation, these countries would find it hard to complain. BUT THERES NOT. CFU consistently vote as a block

And so what?? strength in numbers... the US and Mexico flex their muscles in other ways, largely economic (and I'm talking within the realm of football here, not even politics) so what's the big deal if the small CFU officials decide to band together and seek their common interests??  That is of course that they all march lockstep in line with each other as you argue.

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I guess we assume that Jack pulls the CFU strings, and its no coincidence that bin Hammam met CFU outside of CONCACAF.

You DO realize that CFU is an entity unto itself that is both separate from and older than CONCACAF, right??  You're trying to make this out to be some big conspiracy that Bin Hammam met CFU officials "outside" of CONCACAF... he would have met them in Miami a month ago if the US didn't screw up his visa situation... or was that part of the master plan to bribe folks too?

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Now you all can talk about slavery and disrespect etc all you want, but if you can't see how my analogy of a tail wagging a dog and my reference to the manipulation of one nation one vote was meant, then I feel I may have unwittingly missed something and I apologise if I've disrespected anyone on this site.

You've been disrespectful and dismissive of the CFU from the beginning... and let's not keep referring to them in the abstract, let's call them what they are, Caribbean nations.  You asked the question earlier "However, what are the alternatives? It certainly can't be someone from the Caribbean. Maybe a South American? A Canadian? Or do they go outside CONCACAF and Latin America and opt for a European? "

I let it go then, but I'll address it now... why NOT "someone from the Caribbean" to head up the investigation?  Is that not your position because in your heart you see all Caribbean options as corruptible?  Aren't you asking that question because you don't trust anyone else from ANYWHERE in the Caribbean to conduct the investigation?  Aren't you innately more comfortable with an American inquiry (the fact that they've stacked the decks in their favor notwithstanding) than a Caribbean one?  Why??  And let me both anticipate and answer your next argument... because this is what I do for a living:  "The Caribbean nations are compromised and to clearly to have anyone from one of the islands conducting the inquiry would represent a conflict of interest.".  Yet the American interests are aligned diammetrically opposite those of the CFU, but you're comfortable with them leading the inquiry... aren't they conflicted out as well?  Or is it that you trust their impartiality but not the Caribbean nations'?

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In my view the whole balance in world football is misaligned. Football is a sport where performance equals rewards. This is not so in FIFA administration. I would have EXCO members drawn from the top 20 nations in the FIFA lists averaged over 2 years.

So in other words, only the footballing giants should have a say in running FIFA, right?  Competency be damned... if your national team is any good then you and only you get to have a say in how the game is run.  Currently each Confederation nominates their representatives for the ExCo position.  You would take that  away and essentially just have the European countries running world football... because that's who dominate the standings year in year out.  It is near impossible for small countries to crack the Top 20 for a number of reasons, most having to do with population and economics, and little to do with talent or ability.  But by your thinking, it is a far more desirable situation to disenfranchise these nations because they're not winning enough, right?  This is your brilliant alternative to the current situation?  Do you not see the arrogance in that argument?  Or is it that you see it but couldn't be bothered?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: fitzinho on June 09, 2011, 11:30:53 PM
Maybe Im missing someting but as I reading it Football Supporter's arguments seem to make more sense if u look at it thru unbiased eyes. Yes we have "benefitted" from some of Jack's dealings but to say the we (T&T) or CFU have really taken advantage of any such benefits would be a lie. The theory is that if the Americans take over then the rest of us will suffer, but we suffering right now!! Do we really deserve our fortunes then if we cant find ways to make it translate onto the field??
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 09, 2011, 11:45:20 PM
Maybe Im missing someting but as I reading it Football Supporter's arguments seem to make more sense if u look at it thru unbiased eyes. Yes we have "benefitted" from some of Jack's dealings but to say the we (T&T) or CFU have really taken advantage of any such benefits would be a lie. The theory is that if the Americans take over then the rest of us will suffer, but we suffering right now!! Do we really deserve our fortunes then if we cant find ways to make it translate onto the field??

Yeah you really missing something because Football Supporter hasn't at all addressed the issue of who will fare how under a powershift.  His entire argument is that in CONCACAF the larger nations should be controlling things and in world football the better footballing nations should be controlling things.

When yuh ready to address those perspectives then we can do so.  Other than that it's two parallel discussions that you are confusing as one.

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Do we really deserve our fortunes then if we cant find ways to make it translate onto the field??

To ask this is to conveniently look past the fact that Jack Warner (among other factors) has prevented us from achieving our full potential.  Your argument then is that because we couldn't find a way to maximize our opportunities with the pittance we got under Jack we deserve nothing.  Sounds jokey, right?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on June 10, 2011, 12:07:08 AM
Bakes, as you said, we're good, right? But even though I offer reasonable points and alternatives, you seem focused on shooting me, and everyone else, down. Now everyone has their own viewpoints, and they may be flawed, but at least weigh them up instead of cherry picking the parts you can attack. I was tempted to say that "if I say snow is white, you'd say snow is not really white at all", but then I actually thought you may read something about race into that!

Maybe its your legal training, but you take a statement and twist it to fit your argument.
Of course every Caribbean nation is currently tainted by this bribes scandal. They were the only ones there. 13 say it didn't happen, 4 say it did, 8 can't seem to remember one way or the other, theres photos (which, of course could be faked). Add to that the continual 20 years worth of alleged corruption by Jack, and of course the world is suspicious. Now, I'm not saying this is fair, and I'm getting tired of folks in UK and USA taking the p*ss out of T&T, a country I have chosen to live in, but I understand why. You understand as well, but you won't acknowledge it.

As for USA, I really don't know if their investigation would be fair, but I think theres a good chance it will be transparent.

And yes, I am dismissive of CFU because it is a cabul. It is run by and for Jack Warner. All of the well meaning programmes that could have been created have been left on the shelf because theres no money in it for Jack. Wheres the Caribbean Football Academy?  That would be one positive step. How about instead of T&T hosting an U17 world cup, it is shared with Grenada or St Lucia a la Japan/Korea? FIFA are supposed to be promoting new markets, so why not spread the joy?

As for your last statement, it proves my point. Competency? You really feel that Qatar hosting a world cup is competent? I expressly pointed out that although they may not all be the best administrators, they should certainly have some level of expertise and experience. Are you really suggesting that the guy from Thailand with a population of 67 million knows more about the business of domestic football than a guy from Netherlands (population 16 million). You ever heard the saying "It ain't the size of the wand, its the magic in it"
I'm happy to argue the points mate, and I'll gladly accept your views, but all the time you just want to nay say peoples views, whats the point? This isn't a courtroom, its a discussion forum. Seriously tell me that theres not one line of my previous post you don't see any logic in.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on June 10, 2011, 12:18:13 AM
Maybe Im missing someting but as I reading it Football Supporter's arguments seem to make more sense if u look at it thru unbiased eyes. Yes we have "benefitted" from some of Jack's dealings but to say the we (T&T) or CFU have really taken advantage of any such benefits would be a lie. The theory is that if the Americans take over then the rest of us will suffer, but we suffering right now!! Do we really deserve our fortunes then if we cant find ways to make it translate onto the field??

Yeah you really missing something because Football Supporter hasn't at all addressed the issue of who will fare how under a powershift.  His entire argument is that in CONCACAF the larger nations should be controlling things and in world football the better footballing nations should be controlling things.

When yuh ready to address those perspectives then we can do so.  Other than that it's two parallel discussions that you are confusing as one.

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Do we really deserve our fortunes then if we cant find ways to make it translate onto the field??

To ask this is to conveniently look past the fact that Jack Warner (among other factors) has prevented us from achieving our full potential.  Your argument then is that because we couldn't find a way to maximize our opportunities with the pittance we got under Jack we deserve nothing.  Sounds jokey, right?

Well, I think its fairly obvious, but in case you haven't worked it out, Blazer will horsetrade with CFU members to get their support on his proposals and throw a few crumbs down to the Caribbean. Like, maybe an U17 WC. Thing is, whoever is in charge, I don't think they can justify more tournaments in the Caribbean for a few years. Because of the CFU powerbase, whoever runs CONCACAF has to stroke them to get votes through. He may try to divide and conquer, but that would mean gaining 13 of the 25 and I don't think thats possible. I honestly don't think much will change except T&T won't receive the benefits Jack has bestowed upon us, and maybe other Caribbean countries will. (And, by the way, the reason I keep referring to CFU and not Caribbean nations, is that is easier to type....there really is no political or racist agenda here, just tired fingers!)   
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 10, 2011, 12:31:53 AM
Bakes, as you said, we're good, right? But even though I offer reasonable points and alternatives, you seem focused on shooting me, and everyone else, down. Now everyone has their own viewpoints, and they may be flawed, but at least weigh them up instead of cherry picking the parts you can attack. I was tempted to say that "if I say snow is white, you'd say snow is not really white at all", but then I actually thought you may read something about race into that!

Maybe its your legal training, but you take a statement and twist it to fit your argument.
Of course every Caribbean nation is currently tainted by this bribes scandal. They were the only ones there. 13 say it didn't happen, 4 say it did, 8 can't seem to remember one way or the other, theres photos (which, of course could be faked). Add to that the continual 20 years worth of alleged corruption by Jack, and of course the world is suspicious. Now, I'm not saying this is fair, and I'm getting tired of folks in UK and USA taking the p*ss out of T&T, a country I have chosen to live in, but I understand why. You understand as well, but you won't acknowledge it.

As for USA, I really don't know if their investigation would be fair, but I think theres a good chance it will be transparent.

And yes, I am dismissive of CFU because it is a cabul. It is run by and for Jack Warner. All of the well meaning programmes that could have been created have been left on the shelf because theres no money in it for Jack. Wheres the Caribbean Football Academy?  That would be one positive step. How about instead of T&T hosting an U17 world cup, it is shared with Grenada or St Lucia a la Japan/Korea? FIFA are supposed to be promoting new markets, so why not spread the joy?

As for your last statement, it proves my point. Competency? You really feel that Qatar hosting a world cup is competent? I expressly pointed out that although they may not all be the best administrators, they should certainly have some level of expertise and experience. Are you really suggesting that the guy from Thailand with a population of 67 million knows more about the business of domestic football than a guy from Netherlands (population 16 million). You ever heard the saying "It ain't the size of the wand, its the magic in it"
I'm happy to argue the points mate, and I'll gladly accept your views, but all the time you just want to nay say peoples views, whats the point? This isn't a courtroom, its a discussion forum. Seriously tell me that theres not one line of my previous post you don't see any logic in.

I'm sorry... which of your points are reasonable?  Am I supposed to only disagree with the points you make that YOU think are questionable?  I'm responding to everything that you said.  Where's the nitpicking you're crying about?  If I disagree with what you're saying I will address what I disagree with.  It's not like I dismissively told you "you talking shit" and left it at that.  I at least giving you the courtesy of understanding what I disagree with and WHY.  What's with all this shit talk about this not being a courtroom?  This is a discussion which borders on a debate... if your points don't stand up to scrutiny that's supposed to be my fault?

The fact is that I think your position is downright flawed and patronising and apparently you see no issue with that or don't see why anyone else should have issue with them.  Now to address specific things you said:

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I was tempted to say that "if I say snow is white, you'd say snow is not really white at all", but then I actually thought you may read something about race into that!

Right... because as everyone knows, I'm a notorious racemonger.


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Maybe its your legal training, but you take a statement and twist it to fit your argument.
Of course every Caribbean nation is currently tainted by this bribes scandal. They were the only ones there.

Do me the favor if you would... and please explain for me where I twisted any of your words.  Seriously.  Now it's possible that I may have taken something you said other than how you meant it... but of course not, I'm deliberately twisting your words... because that, apparently, is what "legal training" teaches one to do.

But on to the CFU statement.  So because all CFU countries were there, the CFU is a cabal... and that means that you cannot find ONE incorruptible person in all of the CFU nations, football-affiliated or not.  Every single person in all the Caribbean suddenly lacks the qualification, morals and partiality necessary to conduct the inquiry, right?  Louis Freeh is an ex-judge in private practice with no football connections.  You're trying to tell me we couldn't find someone like him to conduct the inquiry?  What about an internationally renowned jurist like TnT's own Karl Hudson-Phillips??  Look him up if you're unfamiliar.  Or does he not count because he happens to be from the same country as Jack Warner?  No Caribbean official is capable of leading a transparent inquiry?  Is that your position?  Please clarify for me, I'm asking... because I don't want you crying about me twisting your words again.

To your last paragraph... I didn't say that Qatar hosting a WC is competent.  My question to you was whether only the better footballing nations deserved a say on matters, competency be damned?  In other words... should we appoint decision makers based on where their national team ranks, as you suggest, or should we appoint them based on competence?  THAT is what my question meant... not that the current FIFA administration is competent.  I won't accuse you of twisting my words.  And I still don't understand your fixation on relative population size... if someone is competent at running a global sporting body, then they're competent... period.  Knowledge about the nuances of football inside individual countries is immaterial to business and sporting saavy.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 10, 2011, 12:39:21 AM
Well, I think its fairly obvious, but in case you haven't worked it out, Blazer will horsetrade with CFU members to get their support on his proposals and throw a few crumbs down to the Caribbean. Like, maybe an U17 WC. Thing is, whoever is in charge, I don't think they can justify more tournaments in the Caribbean for a few years. Because of the CFU powerbase, whoever runs CONCACAF has to stroke them to get votes through. He may try to divide and conquer, but that would mean gaining 13 of the 25 and I don't think thats possible. I honestly don't think much will change except T&T won't receive the benefits Jack has bestowed upon us, and maybe other Caribbean countries will. (And, by the way, the reason I keep referring to CFU and not Caribbean nations, is that is easier to type....there really is no political or racist agenda here, just tired fingers!)   

I'm not saying you have a racist agenda... I'm trying to get you to realize the implications of your words.  When you just dismiss the "CFU" as corrupt, therefore incapable of leading a full and fair inquiry, you're not just indicting the footballing bodies in the CFU member nations, you're saying there isn't a single qualified, impartial, incorruptible soul in the whole of the islands who would do as good a job as Louis Freeh... because somehow you trust the Americans more.  That's what your words say even if you didn't mean them to.  If that's not what you meant then it's on you to explain what you meant.

To your point above about tournaments being given to other islands etc.  This goes to something you said earlier with regards to sharing with Grenada ala Korea/Japan.  For one thing FIFA has disavowed that as a model... the logistical problems proved to not be worth the hassle, so I doubt we'd ever really see a shared tournament.  That aside, when looking at all factors, infrastructure (road and transportation), security, stadia etc.  What other countries would rival TnT as would-be hosts?  Jamaica maybe... Barbados?  Who else?  Not saying they can't host from here on out... just talking about past tournaments that Jack supposedly steered (as opposed to TnT being the best choice) to TnT.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Flex on June 10, 2011, 05:36:10 AM
Suriname FA chief got $$ ‘gift’
T&T Newsday
Friday, June 10 2011


FRESH evidence that Caribbean football officials were given brown envelopes containing “gifts” of US$40,000 in cash has been revealed.

A number of associations of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) have denied receiving any cash, while four have said they were offered and refused the money. Yesterday, the president of the Suriname FA confirmed to Press Association Sport that he was handed US$40,000, in US$100 bills, at a special meeting of the CFU in Trinidad on May 10.

Louis Giskus insists, however, that he was told it was a gift from the CFU to spend on development projects.

Jack Warner, who is the longest-serving member of FIFA’s executive committee and a senior Government minister in Trinidad, and Mohamed Bin Hammam have both been suspended by the world governing body while FIFA investigates allegations that they paid or offered bribes to officials of the 25 associations that make up the CFU.

Two CFU officials, Debbie Minguell and Jason Sylvester, have also been provisionally suspended. They all deny any wrongdoing.

Giskus said in an interview: “We went up to a room and were given US$40,000 in a brown envelope with the name of Suriname on it.

Giskus said he returned to Suriname that evening and the following day, May 11, that he handed the cash over to the federation’s treasurer, who banked the money.

He said the Suriname FA still had the US$40,000 in their bank account.

An affidavit by the Bahamas FA vice-president Fred Lunn sent to FIFA last month, a copy of which has been seen by Press Association Sport, states that the rest of the CFU members were addressed at a meeting by Warner in Trinidad on that May 11.

Lunn’s affidavit states he was given a brown envelope with US$40,000 in cash inside for grassroots programmes or any purpose the individuals saw fit.”

The Barbados FA president Roland Jones released a statement yesterday insisting neither he nor his officials were offered any bribes by Bin Hamman or Warner.

FIFA have appointed a company owned by ex-FBI director Louis Freeh to investigate the bribery claims but up to 18 of the 25 CFU associations have refused FIFA’s call to go to Miami to provide evidence.

A CFU source said that FIFA had now agreed to a new venue for the interviews and that they were prepared to co-operate with any “independent and unbiased” investigation.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Flex on June 10, 2011, 05:36:57 AM
Camps says TTFF hands clean
T&T Newsday
Friday, June 10 2011


“We have done nothing wrong and we have no reason to hide. Those were the defiant words of Oliver Camps, president of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF), commenting for the first time since allegations of bribery were made against TTFF special adviser Jack Warner and FIFA executive member Mohammed bin Hammam.

In a media release yesterday, Camps categorically denied he or any of the TTFF’s delegates accepted the bribery sum of US$40,000 from bin Hammam and said he will not be part of a “witch-hunt” by FIFA. “The Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation is cognisant of the current investigations into allegations of bribery being made against Austin Jack Warner...(and) wishes to explicitly state that none of its delegates were offered any inducements, bribes or gifts to support any of the candidates during the meeting on the May 10, 2011 at the Hyatt Regency Hotel in Trinidad,” he said. Camps argued that the meeting took place all within the FIFA boundaries that dictate what was acceptable.

“In the interest of Fair Play - one of the founding principles of this game, we listened to the speeches by Mohammed bin Hammam, as he put forth a case as to why he would be the best choice for FIFA. A privilege that was afforded to now FIFA president Sepp Blatter in Miami,” he explained.

“The TTFF was made aware that the trip and accommodation were sponsored by Mohammed bin Hammam under the auspices of the CFU (Caribbean Football Union). The TTFF did not and does not see this as akin to bribery or any inducements as in the past, trips by Caribbean delegates to meetings have been sponsored by the organisation and agency that wanted to put on the programme,” he added.

Camps revealed his Federation has been in communication with FIFA and promised their cooperation throughout their investigations once it is “unbiased”

“Since the meeting...the TTFF has received several communications from CONCACAF and FIFA about allegations of bribery and invitations to meetings before the Ethics Committee of FIFA. The president and Executive of the TTFF like all other Caribbean nations will fully cooperate with any independent and unbiased investigation if and when called upon (to) do so. We have done nothing wrong and we have no reason to hide,” he said.

“We, however, will not be party to or participate in any witch-hunt being launched by the whims and fancies of those who wish to destroy the name of our great Confederation. As a Federation, it has been made public that we have written to FIFA expressing our concerns over the impartiality of the investigation,” he continued.

The TTFF boss believes the scandal is destroying the close relationship between the CFU and CONCACAF and expressed hope that they could recover from the current situation.

“We as a member of the CONCACAF are deeply saddened and disturbed over the maneuvering and machinations which have taken place...relative to the actions of the Executive and it’s General Secretary...

The events over the past two weeks have strained the once unbreakable relationship between the CFU and CONCACAF,” he said. Approached by members of the media after yesterday’s meeting of Cabinet at Tobago, Warner said, “what more is there left for me to say?”
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Flex on June 10, 2011, 05:39:10 AM
Rowley gives Gibbs 5 days to change mind
Call to track down US$1m 'football money'
By Ria Taitt Political Editor


Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley is giving Police Commissioner Dwayne Gibbs five days to reverse his "untenable" position not to investigate whether over US$1 million illegally entered the country in order to pay members of the Caribbean Football Union in the money-for-votes scandal.

Gibbs had told the media on Tuesday that the police were not investigating the allegations against Jack Warner and others until "we have information that suggests we should enter into some sort of criminal investigation. There are a lot of allegations coming through the media".

But Rowley said if Gibbs, whom he accused of taking an "irresponsible position which was tantamount to a dereliction of duty", maintains his position not to investigate he would be making a formal complaint to the Police Service Commission against the Police Commissioner.

Rowley also said the Opposition had the option to write to the Integrity Commission and the office of the President. Rowley and People's National Movement (PNM) Senator Fitzgerald Hinds were addressing a news conference yesterday at the Opposition Leader's office in Port of Spain.

Both Rowley and Hinds stressed that the PNM was calling for investigations to be done with respect to possible breaches of the Foreign Exchange Act and the Customs Act - which prohibit the importation of any currency, except with the permission of the Central Bank, and which makes it an offence to fail to declare or file a false declaration in respect of bringing into the country of any goods or money over $5,000, respectively.

Rowley said it was "shocking and wholly unacceptable" for the commissioner not to be interested in finding out whether these laws were broken.

"We believe that he is guided by some misguided approach that he is toeing the line of the political directorate," he said.

Rowley said Gibbs, a contract officer under serious threat of dismissal by elements of the Government, was being cowed by the circumstances and being frightened away from the possible unpleasant outcome of a successful enquiry. Noting that police officers would have to talk to a particular minister of government in any enquiry, Rowley asked: "Is the Commissioner of Police afraid to do that?"

He said, "Persons have admitted to making money available and making payments in Trinidad and Tobago to Caribbean Football Union officials." He added that such people were not known to have declared those funds in accordance with the law. He said a proper investigation should look into:

a) Who imported US dollars notes in Trinidad and Tobago

b) And if the money was not imported, who provided it locally.

As a member of Interpol, "any information we could get out of Belmont Police Station, we can get from an international location" by referring our investigations to Interpol, Rowley said.

Rowley recalled that last Carnival the office and person of the CoP were "improperly used" when Gibbs showed up at a fete in Moka as part of the prime ministerial entourage, "coat-tailing her at a political jaunt" at which she received a cheque and made a political speech.

Noting that a police officer had a duty to detect crime, Hinds said for Gibbs to take the "cool, Caribbean and breezy posture that he could just sit back as the highest paid Police Commissioner in the Western Hemisphere and simply not get busy trying to determine whether the laws of Trinidad and Tobago have been breached ... is mind-blowing".

Hinds wrote to the Commissioner on Monday asking whether he intended to initiate an investigation into any breach of the laws of Trinidad and Tobago, with special reference to the Exchange Control Act, the Customs Acts and generally the criminal laws relating to bribery.

The penalty for the filing of a false declaration under the Customs Act is a fine of three times the value of the item not so declared, or a term of imprisonment of eight years, Hinds said.

Warner and Mohamed Bin Hammam were suspended from FIFA following allegations that delegates of the CFU were each offered US$40,000 at a meeting at the Hyatt Regency Hotel to support Bin Hammam's candidacy for the position of FIFA president.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: soccerrama on June 10, 2011, 07:42:53 AM
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/06/09/2259528/fifa-expands-austins-ban-to-worldwide.html


FIFA expands Austin's ban to worldwide level
 
By Sports Network
 
FIFA expanded the provisional suspension of acting CONCACAF president Lisle Austin to a worldwide level Thursday.
 
Austin was "provisionally banned from all football activities within CONCACAF and at the national level," CONCACAF announced Saturday. FIFA followed the ban by extending it to all football related activities throughout the world.
 
Austin took over control over CONCACAF after Jack Warner was suspended by FIFA over bribery allegations, but now is prohibited from any soccer activities on the "international and national level," according to CONCACAF's website.
 
However, Austin has not been charged, and CONCACAF has not explained the exact reason for the decision. FIFA also did not disclose why Austin was suspended.

Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on June 10, 2011, 07:47:35 AM
Bakes, maybe I'm just not making myself clear, so, again I apologise. But I never once said that no one in the Caribbean is competent to run an investigation. My point was simple and obvious. To the world outside of the Caribbean, it looks like Caribbean administrators were involved in some capacity in a bribery situation and it now appears that those same people are covering it up. In order to maintain a veneer of impartiality, I stated that I believe the investigation should be carried out by someone else. I never, ever stated that Freeh is more capable than anyone from the Caribbean, just that he is NOT FROM THE CARIBBEAN.

Yes, there are people out there who believe every one from the Caribbean is corruptable. I don't believe this, I'm just trying to add perspective from a "foreigners" viewpoint. If you don't like that fact, you have to look at the people who project the Caribbean as "banana republics" like Mr Warner. He is probably now recognised as the most corrupt football official on the planet. Blame him. Africa used to be tagged as corruptable, but thanks to Jack, now its the Caribbean. I can't help this attitude from overseas, I'm just bringing home the reality.

I know this analogy is not good, but you will get my meaning. If you have a chinese guy who murders a white guy from, say Southampton, would you allow a jury of white guys from Southampton to give a verdict? Now these guys could be perfect citizens, but would you chance it? Thats all I'm pointing out, playing devils advocate and trying to show how the outside world sees this. Again, I mean no disrespect to you, people of T&T or the Caribbean.

On another subject Bakes, how can it be that Gibbs won't investigate? Surely theres probable cause for an investigation? With the worlds eyes on Jack, this just adds to the notion I referred to above. I'm not saying sack Jack, but there are statements accusing Jack of being involved and at the very least, of someone carrying undeclared funds into the country. Isn't that the job of GIbbs - to investigate if laws are broken? Or does he only act on definates such as a dead body with gunshot wounds? This stinks of political involvement in the laws of T&T.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: tempo on June 10, 2011, 08:17:46 AM
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/927141/surinam-president-reveals-cash-'gift'-from-fifa?cc=5901

http://guardian.co.tt/news/2011/06/10/rowley-gives-top-cop-5-days-say-why-no-probe-warner

Internal pressure will build to investigate the currency matter. One question will be; who was at the other end of the phone number that was given to the Surinamese delegate? This investigation is going to snowball and get into areas far beyond the questionable passing of money and all attempts to cast this as an American conspiracy will lose credibility. The police will have no choice but to investigate. If they don't they may risk the embarrassment of having a private foreign company investigate and apply T&T law as well as FIFA statutes to paint a clear picture that a powerful minister neglected at the very least, his fiduciary duties as a minister and at most, broke the law.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 10, 2011, 09:42:09 AM
Bakes, maybe I'm just not making myself clear, so, again I apologise. But I never once said that no one in the Caribbean is competent to run an investigation. My point was simple and obvious. To the world outside of the Caribbean, it looks like Caribbean administrators were involved in some capacity in a bribery situation and it now appears that those same people are covering it up. In order to maintain a veneer of impartiality, I stated that I believe the investigation should be carried out by someone else. I never, ever stated that Freeh is more capable than anyone from the Caribbean, just that he is NOT FROM THE CARIBBEAN.

Yes, there are people out there who believe every one from the Caribbean is corruptable. I don't believe this, I'm just trying to add perspective from a "foreigners" viewpoint. If you don't like that fact, you have to look at the people who project the Caribbean as "banana republics" like Mr Warner. He is probably now recognised as the most corrupt football official on the planet. Blame him. Africa used to be tagged as corruptable, but thanks to Jack, now its the Caribbean. I can't help this attitude from overseas, I'm just bringing home the reality.

I know this analogy is not good, but you will get my meaning. If you have a chinese guy who murders a white guy from, say Southampton, would you allow a jury of white guys from Southampton to give a verdict? Now these guys could be perfect citizens, but would you chance it? Thats all I'm pointing out, playing devils advocate and trying to show how the outside world sees this. Again, I mean no disrespect to you, people of T&T or the Caribbean.

On another subject Bakes, how can it be that Gibbs won't investigate? Surely theres probable cause for an investigation? With the worlds eyes on Jack, this just adds to the notion I referred to above. I'm not saying sack Jack, but there are statements accusing Jack of being involved and at the very least, of someone carrying undeclared funds into the country. Isn't that the job of GIbbs - to investigate if laws are broken? Or does he only act on definates such as a dead body with gunshot wounds? This stinks of political involvement in the laws of T&T.

You didn't say it directly but the inference is certainly there.  And for as simple and obvious as you may believe your point to be, it reads as something different. 

Your second paragraph and much of what you've said seems to imply that ignorance needs to be validated as opposed to dimissed.  So what if "there are people out there who believe every one from the Caribbean is corruptable?"  That doesn't make it a reality, and like Warner or not he has made the CFU a unified force to be reckoned with.  Many of the same people that see the caribbean as "banana republics" are more than likely envious at the amount of power Warner weilds within FIFA as the head of CFU.  While many may see Warner as the most coorupt, I'm willing to bet much more see Blatter as the ultimate since if he wanted to get Jack out it could have been done from a bevy of different platforms and he never did.  You are not bringing any reality but instead showing that you are subscribing to ignorance by some of your assertions.

With that analogy, is Southampton mostly poulated with whites?  If so then how likely are you to be able to field a Jury that isn't almost all white if not 100% so?  The question is suggesting that there is much choice in the matter, unless you petition to move the venue to a more "chinese" freindly location.

What would be Gibbs probable cause?  Bin Hamman wired money so no cash there.  Jack is a millionaire  and could easily pull that cash together without breaking any laws to do so, couldn't he?  Is there an allegation somewhere that was reported to the police that JW broke the law or colluded with others to do so?  Who to this point has been even speculated as the culprit that brought in this "undeclared cash?"

I am by no means a Jack supporter but I think far too many of you want him out so bad that you would compromise on the very same ethics you want in place just to have him removed.  If this is the manner in which he get's removed are we somehow confident that there is a brighter horizon ahead?  I hope allyuh eh so delusional nah because ah rell rude awakening awaiting allyuh.  If Blazer has his way COCACAF will be down to 3 spots and him and his cohorts will certainly seek to take advantage of the very same type of alliance system that made the CFU powerful. 
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: weary1969 on June 10, 2011, 10:22:03 AM
Once FIFA invole it cyah have ethics. So trying 2 surgically remove Jack from we football witout blood spilling eh possible. So me eh care how he leaves once he gone. So if Santa Blazer is d instrument to be used so b it.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Jayerson on June 10, 2011, 10:36:55 AM
The point that Bakes is trying to make to me, is that as much as many of us don't like Jack, Blazer I'm getting a sneaky feeling has an American agenda that will put CFU interests to the back burner. And I already believe that Blazer can already count on the votes from Turks and Caicos, Puerto Rico, Bahamas, Bermuda, Cayman Islands, US Virgin Islands etc.

Its a concern of what's best for CFU as an entity. The way Blazer has been maneuvering would suggest there's a hidden agenda.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: tempo on June 10, 2011, 10:40:20 AM
There seems to be a debate about what is preferable; a less influential but perhaps more ethical CFU or a more influential yet perhaps ethically challenged CFU. For myself, the CFU can be an institution that embodies true transparency and the best practices that will enable the production of better players, teams, and programs without losing it's ability to be a unified and influential block within CONCACAF.

However, one thing is certain, the present setup is unsustainable and only manages to indulge a select few while a number of people and institutions that can be utilized are frequently marginalized for a number of illegitimate reasons. Finally, the concern about possible American conspiracies and motives is, at best, a misplaced one.

First, CONCACAF would financially benefit from additional world cup spots so to think Blazer will undermine attempts to get more spots is ridiculous. Second, there is no US conspiracy to take the world cup away from Qatar. Believe it or not there are ongoing international issues far more important than football. Qatar is a major US ally in a volatile region that will likely get more volatile in the next few years. No US administration will jeopardize alienating and embarassing an ally of such strategic importance by engaging in an effort to take away the 2022 world cup.

If evidence shows that Jack and good portion of the CFU engaged in the acts they are accused of; they must be held accountable and not be allowed to use the mantle of new colonialism and racism to hide their misdeeds. Too many of our leaders have employed this strategy and its time we say enough is enough.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 10, 2011, 10:45:16 AM
Bakes, maybe I'm just not making myself clear, so, again I apologise. But I never once said that no one in the Caribbean is competent to run an investigation. My point was simple and obvious. To the world outside of the Caribbean, it looks like Caribbean administrators were involved in some capacity in a bribery situation and it now appears that those same people are covering it up. In order to maintain a veneer of impartiality, I stated that I believe the investigation should be carried out by someone else. I never, ever stated that Freeh is more capable than anyone from the Caribbean, just that he is NOT FROM THE CARIBBEAN.

Yes, there are people out there who believe every one from the Caribbean is corruptable. I don't believe this, I'm just trying to add perspective from a "foreigners" viewpoint. If you don't like that fact, you have to look at the people who project the Caribbean as "banana republics" like Mr Warner. He is probably now recognised as the most corrupt football official on the planet. Blame him. Africa used to be tagged as corruptable, but thanks to Jack, now its the Caribbean. I can't help this attitude from overseas, I'm just bringing home the reality.

I know this analogy is not good, but you will get my meaning. If you have a chinese guy who murders a white guy from, say Southampton, would you allow a jury of white guys from Southampton to give a verdict? Now these guys could be perfect citizens, but would you chance it? Thats all I'm pointing out, playing devils advocate and trying to show how the outside world sees this. Again, I mean no disrespect to you, people of T&T or the Caribbean.

On another subject Bakes, how can it be that Gibbs won't investigate? Surely theres probable cause for an investigation? With the worlds eyes on Jack, this just adds to the notion I referred to above. I'm not saying sack Jack, but there are statements accusing Jack of being involved and at the very least, of someone carrying undeclared funds into the country. Isn't that the job of GIbbs - to investigate if laws are broken? Or does he only act on definates such as a dead body with gunshot wounds? This stinks of political involvement in the laws of T&T.

Bro, I know you and I believe I know what's in your heart... so don't for a minute think that I am attacking you personally for your beliefs.  I think we've cleared up our respective positions some, but see what Flickin' Killa and Jayerson have posted... they reflect my position and where I think some of your statements do you a disservice.  But as I said, I understand what you're trying to say... you've now said it directly, but recognize what the inference was before. 

As for Gibb's position... at the time that I read it I found them to be sound, but I need to go back and look at the issue again.  Will let you know my thoughts.  :beermug:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 10, 2011, 10:51:09 AM
There seems to be a debate about what is preferable; a less influential but perhaps more ethical CFU or a more influential yet perhaps ethically challenged CFU. For myself, the CFU can be an institution that embodies true transparency and the best practices that will enable the production of better players, teams, and programs without losing it's ability to be a unified and influential block within CONCACAF.

However, one thing is certain, the present setup is unsustainable and only manages to indulge a select few while a number of people and institutions that can be utilized are frequently marginalized for a number of illegitimate reasons. Finally, the concern about possible American conspiracies and motives is, at best, a misplaced one.

First, CONCACAF would financially benefit from additional world cup spots so to think Blazer will undermine attempts to get more spots is ridiculous. Second, there is no US conspiracy to take the world cup away from Qatar. Believe it or not there are ongoing international issues far more important than football. Qatar is a major US ally in a volatile region that will likely get more volatile in the next few years. No US administration will jeopardize alienating and embarassing an ally of such strategic importance by engaging in an effort to take away the 2022 world cup.

If evidence shows that Jack and good portion of the CFU engaged in the acts they are accused of; they must be held accountable and not be allowed to use the mantle of new colonialism and racism to hide their misdeeds. Too many of our leaders have employed this strategy and its time we say enough is enough.

U mixing up US political agendas with USSF agendas boss.  One have nothing to do with the other.  And call it misplaced all you want but the manner in which Blazer has gone about things is very underhanded.  USSF doesn't care much about CONCACAF's benefit as much as they care about theirs, so to think otherwise is dangerous and irresponsible to say the least.  You come off as if you believe Jack and Blazer are polar opposites and if you do I might have some real estate that may interest you.  Ends justify the means it seems for many.  So far is only Blazers allies claiming there was a "bribe" while some are saying it was for a pet project and some aren't talking at all.  I know is JW we dealing with so the assumption of guilt is there, but if we are to be objective can we honestly say it is fact that officials were bribed?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on June 10, 2011, 11:26:46 AM
There seems to be a debate about what is preferable; a less influential but perhaps more ethical CFU or a more influential yet perhaps ethically challenged CFU. For myself, the CFU can be an institution that embodies true transparency and the best practices that will enable the production of better players, teams, and programs without losing it's ability to be a unified and influential block within CONCACAF.

However, one thing is certain, the present setup is unsustainable and only manages to indulge a select few while a number of people and institutions that can be utilized are frequently marginalized for a number of illegitimate reasons. Finally, the concern about possible American conspiracies and motives is, at best, a misplaced one.

First, CONCACAF would financially benefit from additional world cup spots so to think Blazer will undermine attempts to get more spots is ridiculous. Second, there is no US conspiracy to take the world cup away from Qatar. Believe it or not there are ongoing international issues far more important than football. Qatar is a major US ally in a volatile region that will likely get more volatile in the next few years. No US administration will jeopardize alienating and embarassing an ally of such strategic importance by engaging in an effort to take away the 2022 world cup.

If evidence shows that Jack and good portion of the CFU engaged in the acts they are accused of; they must be held accountable and not be allowed to use the mantle of new colonialism and racism to hide their misdeeds. Too many of our leaders have employed this strategy and its time we say enough is enough.

U mixing up US political agendas with USSF agendas boss.  One have nothing to do with the other.  And call it misplaced all you want but the manner in which Blazer has gone about things is very underhanded.  USSF doesn't care much about CONCACAF's benefit as much as they care about theirs, so to think otherwise is dangerous and irresponsible to say the least.  You come off as if you believe Jack and Blazer are polar opposites and if you do I might have some real estate that may interest you.  Ends justify the means it seems for many.  So far is only Blazers allies claiming there was a "bribe" while some are saying it was for a pet project and some aren't talking at all.  I know is JW we dealing with so the assumption of guilt is there, but if we are to be objective can we honestly say it is fact that officials were bribed?

I'm not sure I agree. US foreign policy is carefully thought out and planned. They would try to put a cap on any overt efforts to upset a strategic ally. Look how the UK and Russian govts got behind their bids. Football at global level is a very emotive sport and govts do watch the effects of decisions such as this.

Regarding Gibbs etc, the fact that we don't know if money was illegally brought into T&T is precisely why it should be investigated. Even if, as you say, Jack had the money here, then that too should be investigated. Remember, you can't simply withdraw US$1 million in cash from a bank. So where did it come from? Was it illegally obtained? Were taxes paid? All of these questions are worthy of investigation. We also know that 24 overseas visitors took US$40,000 illegally out of T&T and its now been stated by the Surinam guy that he was offered a number to call if he had problems at Piarco. This must be investigated. 
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 10, 2011, 11:40:15 AM
There seems to be a debate about what is preferable; a less influential but perhaps more ethical CFU or a more influential yet perhaps ethically challenged CFU. For myself, the CFU can be an institution that embodies true transparency and the best practices that will enable the production of better players, teams, and programs without losing it's ability to be a unified and influential block within CONCACAF.

However, one thing is certain, the present setup is unsustainable and only manages to indulge a select few while a number of people and institutions that can be utilized are frequently marginalized for a number of illegitimate reasons. Finally, the concern about possible American conspiracies and motives is, at best, a misplaced one.

First, CONCACAF would financially benefit from additional world cup spots so to think Blazer will undermine attempts to get more spots is ridiculous. Second, there is no US conspiracy to take the world cup away from Qatar. Believe it or not there are ongoing international issues far more important than football. Qatar is a major US ally in a volatile region that will likely get more volatile in the next few years. No US administration will jeopardize alienating and embarassing an ally of such strategic importance by engaging in an effort to take away the 2022 world cup.

If evidence shows that Jack and good portion of the CFU engaged in the acts they are accused of; they must be held accountable and not be allowed to use the mantle of new colonialism and racism to hide their misdeeds. Too many of our leaders have employed this strategy and its time we say enough is enough.

U mixing up US political agendas with USSF agendas boss.  One have nothing to do with the other.  And call it misplaced all you want but the manner in which Blazer has gone about things is very underhanded.  USSF doesn't care much about CONCACAF's benefit as much as they care about theirs, so to think otherwise is dangerous and irresponsible to say the least.  You come off as if you believe Jack and Blazer are polar opposites and if you do I might have some real estate that may interest you.  Ends justify the means it seems for many.  So far is only Blazers allies claiming there was a "bribe" while some are saying it was for a pet project and some aren't talking at all.  I know is JW we dealing with so the assumption of guilt is there, but if we are to be objective can we honestly say it is fact that officials were bribed?

I'm not sure I agree. US foreign policy is carefully thought out and planned. They would try to put a cap on any overt efforts to upset a strategic ally. Look how the UK and Russian govts got behind their bids. Football at global level is a very emotive sport and govts do watch the effects of decisions such as this.

Regarding Gibbs etc, the fact that we don't know if money was illegally brought into T&T is precisely why it should be investigated. Even if, as you say, Jack had the money here, then that too should be investigated. Remember, you can't simply withdraw US$1 million in cash from a bank. So where did it come from? Was it illegally obtained? Were taxes paid? All of these questions are worthy of investigation. We also know that 24 overseas visitors took US$40,000 illegally out of T&T and its now been stated by the Surinam guy that he was offered a number to call if he had problems at Piarco. This must be investigated. 

Has anyone lodged an official complaint of wrong doing though?  If not Gibbs cah just jump an say "dis eh right, I goin een"
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: tempo on June 10, 2011, 12:01:37 PM
No boss, I think you are the one who is confused. Blazer is not with the USSF. His constituency is CONCACAF. Though he is an American, he answers to an Executive Board that only has one American on it other than himself. Is the US happy and supportive about Jack's impending demise, yes. However, to question the motives behind the moves to remove a group that may have participated in numerous violations is enabling and indicates a lack of belly for the need to clean up football. If they are guilty I don't care if they share my complexion, nationality, or religion. They should get what they deserve.

As football supporter implied, a number of changes will be orchestrated by Blazer and all he would need is to get half of the CFU countries to find something in those changes that are beneficial to their federations or their personal interests. One thing I can't understand in the concern about whether the CFU will be marginalized under new management. What program of significance did the present CFU introduce that truly improved football in the Caribbean. Better yet, what has the Centre of Excellence done to extend itself to the grassroots development of football in T&T? It is a facility that is FIFA financed but somehow the only group that benefits is Joe Public and the Warner family. So, if a new management within CONCACAF comes in and creates a system that truly supports football development in the Caribbean then God bless them.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Jayerson on June 10, 2011, 12:40:55 PM


U mixing up US political agendas with USSF agendas boss.  One have nothing to do with the other.  And call it misplaced all you want but the manner in which Blazer has gone about things is very underhanded.  USSF doesn't care much about CONCACAF's benefit as much as they care about theirs, so to think otherwise is dangerous and irresponsible to say the least.  You come off as if you believe Jack and Blazer are polar opposites and if you do I might have some real estate that may interest you.  Ends justify the means it seems for many.  So far is only Blazers allies claiming there was a "bribe" while some are saying it was for a pet project and some aren't talking at all.  I know is JW we dealing with so the assumption of guilt is there, but if we are to be objective can we honestly say it is fact that officials were bribed?
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No boss, I think you are the one who is confused. Blazer is not with the USSF. His constituency is CONCACAF. Though he is an American, he answers to an Executive Board that only has one American on it other than himself. Is the US happy and supportive about Jack's impending demise, yes. However, to question the motives behind the moves to remove a group that may have participated in numerous violations is enabling and indicates a lack of belly for the need to clean up football. If they are guilty I don't care if they share my complexion, nationality, or religion. They should get what they deserve.
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I think people here don't realise who Chuck Blazer really is.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 10, 2011, 12:44:45 PM
No boss, I think you are the one who is confused. Blazer is not with the USSF. His constituency is CONCACAF. Though he is an American, he answers to an Executive Board that only has one American on it other than himself. Is the US happy and supportive about Jack's impending demise, yes. However, to question the motives behind the moves to remove a group that may have participated in numerous violations is enabling and indicates a lack of belly for the need to clean up football. If they are guilty I don't care if they share my complexion, nationality, or religion. They should get what they deserve.

I think people here don't realise who Chuck Blazer really is.

I think so in troot
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: elan on June 10, 2011, 03:26:59 PM
No boss, I think you are the one who is confused. Blazer is not with the USSF. His constituency is CONCACAF. Though he is an American, he answers to an Executive Board that only has one American on it other than himself. Is the US happy and supportive about Jack's impending demise, yes. However, to question the motives behind the moves to remove a group that may have participated in numerous violations is enabling and indicates a lack of belly for the need to clean up football. If they are guilty I don't care if they share my complexion, nationality, or religion. They should get what they deserve.

I think people here don't realise who Chuck Blazer really is.

I think so in troot

I don't think that the USSF care to much for Chuck Blazer, JW, etc. Sunil Gulatti is another beast all by himself.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: dreamer on June 10, 2011, 04:58:29 PM
Watch nah,

As I follow this fascinating story, it is becoming clear that this cancerous filthy double dealin' by Jackula is going to cause a toxic drip-drip daily corrosion of his already poor credibility and permanently damage his cowardly yes-men as they get stuck being forced to lie and retract as pressure builds for people to ask what really goin' orn with dis and dat ... de brown envelope ... de travel angency .... de missing 100,000 dullas .... who took de call to say "call meh if yuh any worries when yuh pass tru Piarco wit' de suitcase" ...  "Breaking news from Suriname reveals confession that a brown envelope containing 40,000 UD dullahs was actually accepted by Mr X ...... Scamps say, the "TTFF books clean, I eh know nutten about any missing morney. Addidas, Lucozade an' dem nevah give me no cheque hoss" ...  :rotfl:

What a bunch of dutty kakaholes. They all going dong .... hard!! Mark my words. Coop's yuh hearing?
Iz only so much bullshit, lies, that the newly internet savvy, international community can take from yuh boys.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on June 10, 2011, 05:24:38 PM
There seems to be a debate about what is preferable; a less influential but perhaps more ethical CFU or a more influential yet perhaps ethically challenged CFU. For myself, the CFU can be an institution that embodies true transparency and the best practices that will enable the production of better players, teams, and programs without losing it's ability to be a unified and influential block within CONCACAF.

However, one thing is certain, the present setup is unsustainable and only manages to indulge a select few while a number of people and institutions that can be utilized are frequently marginalized for a number of illegitimate reasons. Finally, the concern about possible American conspiracies and motives is, at best, a misplaced one.

First, CONCACAF would financially benefit from additional world cup spots so to think Blazer will undermine attempts to get more spots is ridiculous. Second, there is no US conspiracy to take the world cup away from Qatar. Believe it or not there are ongoing international issues far more important than football. Qatar is a major US ally in a volatile region that will likely get more volatile in the next few years. No US administration will jeopardize alienating and embarassing an ally of such strategic importance by engaging in an effort to take away the 2022 world cup.

If evidence shows that Jack and good portion of the CFU engaged in the acts they are accused of; they must be held accountable and not be allowed to use the mantle of new colonialism and racism to hide their misdeeds. Too many of our leaders have employed this strategy and its time we say enough is enough.

U mixing up US political agendas with USSF agendas boss.  One have nothing to do with the other.  And call it misplaced all you want but the manner in which Blazer has gone about things is very underhanded.  USSF doesn't care much about CONCACAF's benefit as much as they care about theirs, so to think otherwise is dangerous and irresponsible to say the least.  You come off as if you believe Jack and Blazer are polar opposites and if you do I might have some real estate that may interest you.  Ends justify the means it seems for many.  So far is only Blazers allies claiming there was a "bribe" while some are saying it was for a pet project and some aren't talking at all.  I know is JW we dealing with so the assumption of guilt is there, but if we are to be objective can we honestly say it is fact that officials were bribed?

I'm not sure I agree. US foreign policy is carefully thought out and planned. They would try to put a cap on any overt efforts to upset a strategic ally. Look how the UK and Russian govts got behind their bids. Football at global level is a very emotive sport and govts do watch the effects of decisions such as this.

Regarding Gibbs etc, the fact that we don't know if money was illegally brought into T&T is precisely why it should be investigated. Even if, as you say, Jack had the money here, then that too should be investigated. Remember, you can't simply withdraw US$1 million in cash from a bank. So where did it come from? Was it illegally obtained? Were taxes paid? All of these questions are worthy of investigation. We also know that 24 overseas visitors took US$40,000 illegally out of T&T and its now been stated by the Surinam guy that he was offered a number to call if he had problems at Piarco. This must be investigated. 

Has anyone lodged an official complaint of wrong doing though?  If not Gibbs cah just jump an say "dis eh right, I goin een"

I'm not sure I understand all of the laws etc, but if Gibbs buying his doubles in st James and sees a man lying dead with a bullet hole in his chest, is he supposed to ignore it until someone shouts "murdah"? I'm sure all of the past weeks events constitutes a "smoking gun", its his job to figure out if the gun was actually fired at someone, who's gun it is, is it licenced, and is there enough evidence to prosecute. In this scenario, he has some reported eye witnesses to the shooting and a possible lead to the man who arranged the shooting, the actual gunman (i.e. the guy who handed over the envelopes and opffered a phone number if help was needed to take cash overseas), and a lead to the man who possibly devised the hit. 
Gibbs is obviously very worried about investigating Jack and may well have been warned to stay clear for fear of implicating Kamla & the govt, but he has to maintain his integrity, if he doesn't, no one will trust him in T&T, as it will appear that he is an instument of the govt, not the law. Wasn't this exactly why Kamla dismantled SAUTT, and alleged it was an agency of the PNM? 
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: dreamer on June 10, 2011, 06:09:35 PM
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-10/fbi-s-freeh-fifa-bribe-investigators-to-visit-bahamas-after-miami-snubbed.html

FIFA Bribe Investigators to Visit Bahamas to Question Soccer Officials
By Tariq Panja - Jun 10, 2011 5:57 PM ET



A team led by former Federal Bureau of Investigation head Louis Freeh that is looking into allegations of bribery in the presidential election of soccer’s governing body will go to the Bahamas to meet with officials who refused to travel to the U.S.

Meanwhile, the Trinidad & Tobago Police Service said today it will ask FIFA, soccer’s Switzerland-based international federation, for details of its investigation into accusations that Caribbean members were offered $40,000 each in exchange for support.

Members of the Caribbean Football Union declined an invitation to meet Freeh’s group in Miami earlier this week, saying they’d only participate if the sessions took place in the West Indies. They also questioned FIFA’s decision to hire a U.S. firm to look into allegations that some regional officials were offered and accepted cash bribes to vote for Mohamed Bin Hammam, a challenger to President Sepp Blatter.

“The Caribbean Football Union and its members welcome an unbiased, impartial and independent investigation into the matter,” a CFU spokesman said from the organization’s headquarters in Trinidad. “FIFA has agreed to move venues and it will be held in the Bahamas.”

The spokesman didn’t give a date for the meeting. FIFA didn’t respond to an e-mail seeking comment. Freeh couldn’t immediately comment, his office said today.

May Meeting
The allegations are linked to a May 10-11 meeting in Trinidad arranged by FIFA Vice President Jack Warner to allow Bin Hammam to lobby for votes. Bin Hammam and Warner have been suspended by FIFA pending the investigation. Both deny wrongdoing.

Caribbean officials, led by acting CFU President Horace Burrell, have complained about the choice of a U.S. investigator. They argue that because American soccer official Chuck Blazer made the initial bribery allegation, an investigator from another country should be selected.

FIFA’s head of security, Chris Eaton, said Freeh’s probe would continue whether the officials cooperated or not.

“Talking is one way of investigating, that’s all,” Eaton said in an interview. “There are other ways to do an investigation and I’m fairly certain that the professionals at the Freeh Group will do that. There are a lot of options available.”

Complaint to FIFA
Five officials told Chicago-based lawyer John Collins they had been offered money. Collins filed the complaint to FIFA on behalf of Blazer, the general secretary of Concacaf, the body responsible for soccer in North and Central America and the Caribbean, which Warner had run since 1990. Twelve CFU members provided letters denying they’d seen any money change hands at the meeting.

The statement from the Trinidad & Tobago police, made to the country’s minority party and issued in a news release, said the lack of evidence beyond media reports currently made it “impracticable” to pursue a criminal investigation into the bribery allegations.

“Notwithstanding the above, it is our intention to write to FIFA requesting information which they may have in their possession which may afford us the opportunity of commencing any investigation(s) into any alleged criminal activity within our jurisdiction,” the police service said.

Editors: Bob Bensch, Christopher Elser.

To contact the reporter on this story: Tariq Panja in the London newsroom on at tpanja@bloomberg.net

To contact the editor responsible for this story: Chris Elser at celser@bloomberg.net
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on June 10, 2011, 07:03:05 PM
Watch nah,

As I follow this fascinating story, it is becoming clear that this cancerous filthy double dealin' by Jackula is going to cause a toxic drip-drip daily corrosion of his already poor credibility and permanently damage his cowardly yes-men as they get stuck being forced to lie and retract as pressure builds for people to ask what really goin' orn with dis and dat ... de brown envelope ... de travel angency .... de missing 100,000 dullas .... who took de call to say "call meh if yuh any worries when yuh pass tru Piarco wit' de suitcase" ...  "Breaking news from Suriname reveals confession that a brown envelope containing 40,000 UD dullahs was actually accepted by Mr X ...... Scamps say, the "TTFF books clean, I eh know nutten about any missing morney. Addidas, Lucozade an' dem nevah give me no cheque hoss" ...  :rotfl:

What a bunch of dutty kakaholes. They all going dong .... hard!! Mark my words. Coop's yuh hearing?
Iz only so much bullshit, lies, that the newly internet savvy, international community can take from yuh boys.

Coop's seems to have gone into hiding!!

He's probably wondering if his loyalty to Jackula over the last few years will still pay-off with a nice corrupt FIFA  position now that the $hit seems to be hitting the fan!  8)
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: dreamer on June 10, 2011, 07:37:24 PM
http://www.sportsfeatures.com/soccernews/story/48821/exit-may-be-on-the-horizon-as-warner-aims-to-give-fifa-inquiry-a-miss

SportsFeatures.comPOSTED: June 9th 2011
NewsUpdate

Exit may be on the horizon as Warner aims to give FIFA inquiry a miss

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Jack Warner: at a FIFA crossroads / Fotosports.com
KEIR RADNEDGE in La Paz / Sports Features Communications

LA PAZ, Jun 09: Football and FIFA will have seen the last of controversial Jack Warner if the suspended head of CONCACAF goes ahead with his refusal to meet bribery allegations investigators.

Trinidadian Warner and Qatar’s Asian confederation president Mohamed Bin Hammam was banned pending a full ethics committee hearing into whether they colluded to hand out $1m ‘buying’ 25 Caribbean votes in the recent FIFA presidential election.

The storm has overshadowed the early stages of the Central and North American Confederation’s showpiece Gold Cup which is under way in the United States.

Several of the Caribbean federations have issued contradictory statements on whether they believe they were offered bribes or not at a CFU meeting on May 10-11. Warner, who has denied the allegations, has said: "I have not received any summons asking me to speak with them [the investigators] nor do I plan to."

Not that Warner’s statement may be taken with full credibility. Last weekend he reneged on an ealier promise to publish an email damning to FIFA president Sepp Blatter.

Some 18 federations which rejected FIFA’s invitation to give evidence in Miami to a inquiry panel led by former FBI director Freeh have now been offered a venue closer to home in the West Indies.

One of those federations to deny having been bribed is Barbados whose own president, Lisle Austin, is currently suspended from the role of acting president of CONCACAF.

Austin took over after Warner’s suspension and immediately clashed with CONCACAF general secretary Chuch Blazer, the bribery allegations’ whistleblower. Austin has pleaded for FIFA to come to his rescue.

In a statement Austin, whose earlier comments had been issued by Warner’s own media operation, said: “The organization is under attack from within by those who refuse to respect the statutes of Concacaf and have no regard for the rights and interests of the members. I will not stand idly by while this happens and hope, through FIFA intervention or other means, to restore order to CONCACAF as soon as possible.”

CONCACAF has asked FIFA to extend Austin’s ban worldwide until a full hearing on July 13. His full statement: “Earlier this week, I advised FIFA President Sepp Blatter of the actual course of events related to the governance of CONCACAF since 29 May 2011 and urged his intervention to ensure that the Statutes of CONCACAF are honored.

"Any and all guidance from FIFA in resolving the unfortunate situation at CONCACAF is most welcome.

“I am committed to protecting the institution of which I am Acting President and asked Mr. Blatter to recognize my rights in that role. Further uncertainty will only serve to frustrate the goals of transparency and reform not only for CONFACAF but for the sport of association football.

Appointment confirmation

“I succeeded to the position of Acting President of CONCACAF on 29 May 2011, pursuant to Article 29 of the Statutes of CONCACAF.  I confirmed this appointment in a letter to Sepp Blatter dated 1 June 2011.

“On 31 May 2011, I exercised my authority as Acting President and terminated the General Secretary of CONCACAF. I convened two meetings of the Emergency Committee of CONCACAF, to ratify and confirm the termination of Mr. Blazer as General Secretary and to revoke his signing authority over the bank accounts of CONCACAF.

“I have also made known, in the spirit of transparency and reform, my intention to direct a forensic audit of CONCACAF’s finances for the  five-year period prior to 2011.

“On 2 June 2011, a lawyer from a New York law firm approached me and stated that I had been suspended by the Executive Committee of CONCACAF.  That lawyer was not validly acting on behalf of CONCACAF.

“On 3 June 2011, Mr. Alfredo Hawit issued a statement purportedly on behalf of CONCACAF stating that I had been suspended by the Executive Committee and that Mr. Hawit had assumed the position of Acting President.  Both of those claims are in utter disregard of the Statutes of CONCACAF.

“Under the Statutes of CONCACAF, the Executive Committee has no authority to ‘suspend’ the President.  The President is elected by the Congress. Only the Congress can remove the President, and only FIFA can suspend the President of CONCACAF.

“These actions and additional statements questioning my leadership are being engineered by a faction of CONCACAF attempting to unlawfully seize control. The actions and statements of these persons are beyond their authority and are neither the actions of, nor binding upon, CONCACAF.  As Acting President I will take all appropriate steps to remedy these actions.

“The organization is under attack from within by those who refuse to respect the Statutes of CONCACAF and have no regard for the rights and interests of the Members at large. I will not stand idly by while this happens and hope, through FIFA intervention or other means, to restore order to CONCACAF as soon as possible.”



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Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: royal on June 10, 2011, 08:10:58 PM
and the beat goes on
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 10, 2011, 09:40:57 PM
No boss, I think you are the one who is confused. Blazer is not with the USSF. His constituency is CONCACAF. Though he is an American, he answers to an Executive Board that only has one American on it other than himself. Is the US happy and supportive about Jack's impending demise, yes. However, to question the motives behind the moves to remove a group that may have participated in numerous violations is enabling and indicates a lack of belly for the need to clean up football. If they are guilty I don't care if they share my complexion, nationality, or religion. They should get what they deserve.

As football supporter implied, a number of changes will be orchestrated by Blazer and all he would need is to get half of the CFU countries to find something in those changes that are beneficial to their federations or their personal interests. One thing I can't understand in the concern about whether the CFU will be marginalized under new management. What program of significance did the present CFU introduce that truly improved football in the Caribbean. Better yet, what has the Centre of Excellence done to extend itself to the grassroots development of football in T&T? It is a facility that is FIFA financed but somehow the only group that benefits is Joe Public and the Warner family. So, if a new management within CONCACAF comes in and creates a system that truly supports football development in the Caribbean then God bless them.

Flickin Killa is absolutely correct... you are indeed confusing politics with sport on this front.  Obama may not want to upset Qatar but that has nothing to do with the USSF.  Can the Qatari government ask the US government to intercede and press its case with the USSF to drop any efforts to rescind the bid?  Yes it can, but such action would be at the discretion of the USSF.  To say that a rescission will not happen because of US political interests in the area grossly exaggerates the importance of the issue to the USSF.

Second... I challenge you to substantiate your charge that questioning the motives of Blazer et al is "enabling and indicates a lack of belly"?  I won't hold my breath because I know you cannot... plain and simple.  No one here (that I have seen) is ennabling Jack.  With the exception of one very deluded poster, no one here is lamenting Jack Warner's impending demise within FIFA.  So how then is preaching caution about Blazer's motives the same as "enabling"?  Where is the lack of belly?

Blazer ultimately may do good... it remains to be seen.  However, any benefit to Caribbean football will be incidental to American interests... of that I can most certainly assure you.  Moreover, given Warner's ties to TnT, it is a very safe assumption what we will be in CONCACAF's doghouse for as long as Blazer (as President) can reasonably keep us there.  Call my concerns selfish if you will, but at this point we have the most to lose therefore that's where I'll focus my concerns.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 10, 2011, 09:47:02 PM
I'm not sure I agree. US foreign policy is carefully thought out and planned. They would try to put a cap on any overt efforts to upset a strategic ally. Look how the UK and Russian govts got behind their bids. Football at global level is a very emotive sport and govts do watch the effects of decisions such as this.

Regarding Gibbs etc, the fact that we don't know if money was illegally brought into T&T is precisely why it should be investigated. Even if, as you say, Jack had the money here, then that too should be investigated. Remember, you can't simply withdraw US$1 million in cash from a bank. So where did it come from? Was it illegally obtained? Were taxes paid? All of these questions are worthy of investigation. We also know that 24 overseas visitors took US$40,000 illegally out of T&T and its now been stated by the Surinam guy that he was offered a number to call if he had problems at Piarco. This must be investigated. 

The US government isn't even remotely interested in "soccer" as is the UK's and Russia's... so flawed comparison.  Obama might play the part to help the US get the bid, because it would be nice to have on his resume and to provide a limited stimulus to local economies... but to imply that he's ready to get onboard the USSF bandwagon or vice versa is somewhat uninformed.

As for Gibbs... before I answer on his stance I still want to find out what potential laws Jack may have violated.  However, my stance is similar to Killa's in that Bin Hammam said the money was wired.  Cash then materialized in the country and a very plausible explanation is that Jack withdrew the sums here.  You are right that one cannot simply walk into a bank and withdraw US $1M... but not everyone is Jack Warner.  I'm sure he has his means.  At the same time he just as well may have snuck the money in.  I tend to agree with Gibbs in that you can't go off on a wild goose chase everytime the press raises a stink about something.  Manpower and other resources are scarce... and frankly, in light of everything else currently going on in TnT... investigating how the money got into TnT is very low on the list of priorities.  So allocation of resources and upholding the integrity (chuckle as we may at that) of the Police Service are very good reasons to not investigate at this point.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on June 10, 2011, 10:34:39 PM
Well, again, Bakes, our opinions or "take" on this are different!!
And again, perhaps I wasn't clear in my statements.

When I said : "I'm not sure I agree. US foreign policy is carefully thought out and planned. They would try to put a cap on any overt efforts to upset a strategic ally." That is a political observation meaning USA would try not to upset Qatar and may request USSF not to oppose 2022. I then said  "Look how the UK and Russian govts got behind their bids." which was supposed to point out that governments do take an interest (for whatever reason) in global sporting competitions on the scale of the Olympics & World Cups. I did not necessarily mean Obama & co gave a toss about soccerball, but that they could exert pressure on USSF if they deemed it necessary.

Regarding Gibbs, you said "I still want to find out what potential laws Jack may have violated." As a man in the legal profession, I am sure there are possible laws that you are aware of that may have been broken. I appreciate you are playing devils advocate and adding balance to weigh against the anti Warner vibe here, but I have previously listed several laws that I feel may have been broken and some of these have been mentioned in the press. But as a legal man, what laws do you think MAY have been broken?

This case currently has the eyes of the world upon it. Warner is a senior member of the Govt. Regardless of manpower etc, it is in the interests of the country that this is investigated and either dismissed or charges brought. The govt have ordered inquiries into several domestic matters, but this is being played out internationally. I simply can't see why Gibbs should not investigate. However, he has now announced he is requesting files from FIFA. Now that should bother any neutral. If Blatter really does want to get rid of Jack, he can supply evidence that may not have been uncovered had Gibbs conducted his own inquiry. So we've moved from asking for a local policeman to investigate events in T&T to requesting files from Zurich. Although this is acceptable, if I wanted to contain this "scandal" I'd have kept things local. We spoke before about Blazer and the US influence in the FIFA investigation, and now, for no reason, Gibbs will allow Blazer to influence a local police inquiry.

Finally, I find it amusing that Lisle Austin says he had intentions of ordering a forensic audit of CONCACAF books. I'd love to see the outcome of that one!!

Oh yes, and lets not forget that TTFF have to present their final audited accounts to the court on Thursday. Busy times for the boys at TTFF!!   
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: dreamer on June 11, 2011, 05:46:00 AM

Austin seeks FIFA intervention into CONCACAF imbroglio

Jamaica Observer
Saturday, June 11, 2011


BRIDGETOWN, Barbados (CMC) — Deposed acting CONCACAF president Lisle Austin vowed to restore order to the governing body for the game in the North, Central American and Caribbean.

Austin was suspended from the position of acting president last Saturday in a convoluted twist to the bribery scandal that has swirled around the confederation.

The decision was apparently taken by the majority of the CONCACAF Executive Committee members after he fired general secretary Chuck Blazer over the scandal.

Austin had been embroiled in a confrontation with Blazer ever since he replaced CONCACAF president Jack Warner, who was suspended from all activity connected with the game, pending an investigation into corruption allegations by the ethics committee of the sport's world governing body, FIFA.

Austin said on Thursday that CONCACAF was under attack from within by those who refuse to respect the statutes of the organisation.

"They have no regard for the rights and interests of the members at large," he said in a statement.

"I will not stand idly by while this happens and hope, through FIFA intervention or other means, to restore order to CONCACAF as soon as possible."

He added: "These actions and additional statements questioning my leadership are being engineered by a faction of CONCACAF attempting to unlawfully seize control.

"The actions and statements of these persons are beyond their authority, and are neither the actions of, nor binding upon, CONCACAF. As acting president, I will take all appropriate steps to remedy these actions."

Austin revealed that earlier this week, he advised FIFA president Sepp Blatter of the actual course of events related to the governance of CONCACAF since May 29.

"I urged his intervention to ensure that the statutes of CONCACAF are honoured," said Austin. "Any and all guidance from FIFA in resolving the unfortunate situation at CONCACAF is most welcome.

"I am committed to protecting the institution of which I am acting president, and asked Mr Blatter to recognise my rights in that role.

"Further uncertainty will only serve to frustrate the goals of transparency and reform not only for CONFACAF, but for the sport of association football."

Austin reiterated that under the statutes of CONCACAF, the Executive Committee has no authority to "suspend" the president — only the Confederation in Congress can remove the president, and only FIFA can suspend the president of CONCACAF.

Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 11, 2011, 08:26:37 AM
I did not necessarily mean Obama & co gave a toss about soccerball, but that they could exert pressure on USSF if they deemed it necessary.


... and as I said to you, it would be up to the USSF to listen if they so desire.  I don't see any scenario under which pressure could be brought to bear upon the US gov't by Qatar to the point that they feel that obligated to get involved.  Some of you are playing up Qatar's import to the US to be more than it actually is.


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Regarding Gibbs, you said "I still want to find out what potential laws Jack may have violated." As a man in the legal profession, I am sure there are possible laws that you are aware of that may have been broken. I appreciate you are playing devils advocate and adding balance to weigh against the anti Warner vibe here, but I have previously listed several laws that I feel may have been broken and some of these have been mentioned in the press. But as a legal man, what laws do you think MAY have been broken?


Why would you assume that I am playing devil's advocate?  I don't think you can look at my history on this site and ever find support for such an assumption.  If there were laws that he broke that I was aware of I would have commented on them already.  Simply put many people are ignorant of the law... unaware of both what's legal from what's not.  Some things may be morally questionable but not illegal.  Your assumption is that cash was brought into the country in violation of some law.  I don't even know that cash WAS indeed brought in.

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I simply can't see why Gibbs should not investigate. However, he has now announced he is requesting files from FIFA. Now that should bother any neutral.

I don't understand... WHAT is it that you (and Hinds) want Gibbs to investigate??  Where the cash came from?  Is that the smoking gun you're looking for?  Do you even know what the penalty for that offense is?  I just get the feeling that you're so desperate for them to get Warner... on ANYTHING... that you're clinging to this issue with both hands.  I honestly think you'll be disappointed in the end... this is a slap on the wrist offense, likely payable by fine.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: dreamer on June 11, 2011, 09:26:14 AM
Caribbean official acknowledges cash bribe in FIFA scandal
Arny Belfor  
Paramaribo, Suriname— The Associated Press  
Published Friday, Jun. 10, 2011

 

Caribbean soccer official acknowledged on Friday getting $40,000 in cash at a meeting that is being investigated in a FIFA bribery scandal.

Suriname federation president Louis Giskus said he received an envelope containing four piles of $100 bills at a Caribbean Football Union conference staged in Trinidad for members to meet then-FIFA presidential candidate Mohamed bin Hammam.

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Giskus told The Associated Press he reported the cash gift to FIFA's ethics committee after it suspended bin Hammam and FIFA's Trinidadian vice president Jack Warner pending a full inquiry into the gravest corruption crisis to hit soccer's world governing body.

“(Suriname's) reputation is worth more than $40,000,” said Giskus, who is helping a FIFA team that includes former FBI agents investigate the alleged bribery.

Giskus said he was not initially suspicious because officials typically got gifts on FIFA-related business, and Warner often handled transactions in cash.

Bin Hammam, Warner and two union employees are provisionally barred from duty while facing accusations of paying bribes to up to 25 Caribbean voters during the Qatari's failed campaign to unseat FIFA President Sepp Blatter. All four have denied any wrongdoing.

Giskus said Warner invited him to the May 10-11 expenses-paid conference promising gift packages for union members. The meeting was announced when bin Hammam did not attend the North and Central American and Caribbean (CONCACAF) congress in Miami one week earlier.

After hearing bin Hammam's election pitch at a Port of Spain hotel, officials were led to a lobby to receive a laptop and an envelope, Giskus said.

“The whole thing was handled by two people from the CFU secretariat we know very well because we meet and speak with them often,” he said. “When I saw that there was money in the envelope I asked what it was for. They could not explain it to me.”

Giskus recalled that CONCACAF members were told they had enjoyed good financial results in its 50th anniversary year and Blatter had promised a $1 million “birthday present” from FIFA.

“So at the time we received the $40,000, I thought that this money had something to do with everything we had heard (in Miami),” Giskus said.

Giskus said that he and a colleague counted the money and wrote down the serial numbers of the four stacks of $100 bills. He said he had “all the paperwork to prove that” the money was deposited in the Suriname federation's local bank account, where it remains.

The scandal emerged after Bahamas officials returned the cash and alerted CONCACAF general secretary Chuck Blazer, who commissioned an initial probe that found whistleblowers from three more countries who refused to accept payments. Puerto Rico, like Suriname, confessed at the FIFA Congress in Zurich earlier this month that it had accepted the payments.

Giskus said he did not suspect the money came from bin Hammam, who told FIFA's ethics panel he transferred $360,000 to the CFU to meet conference costs.

“Surely I did not feel any obligation to vote for bin Hamman after receiving the money. It was clear — Blatter had already proven that he could deliver results while bin Hamman only had promises,” Giskus said.

Bin Hammam withdrew from the presidential contest hours before his ethics hearing, and three days ahead of the June 1 poll at FIFA's congress that elected Blatter unopposed for a fourth and a final four-year term.

During a phone interview with The Associated Press, Giskus took calls from investigators for FIFA gathering evidence for a full ethics inquiry expected next month.

Giskus said he gave statements in Zurich last week and does not expect to be called to interviews scheduled to start in the Bahamas on Tuesday. FIFA investigators hope to speak with officials from about 18 CFU members who have denied being offered payments.

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Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on June 11, 2011, 09:55:32 AM

"I don't understand... WHAT is it that you (and Hinds) want Gibbs to investigate??  Where the cash came from?  Is that the smoking gun you're looking for?  Do you even know what the penalty for that offense is?  I just get the feeling that you're so desperate for them to get Warner... on ANYTHING... that you're clinging to this issue with both hands.  I honestly think you'll be disappointed in the end... this is a slap on the wrist offense, likely payable by fine."

I believe the penalty is double the amount brought into the country and/or 8 years imprisonment.

And as you quite rightly pointed out, you don't know if the cash was brought into the country. That implies that also, you don't know is WASN'T brought into the country. What we do both know is that a large some of foreign currency was allegedly dispersed in Trinidad. That then logically leads to the question, "where did it come from?". Assuming it didn't enter the country illegally, I believe the source should be confirmed. Jack could simply show Gibbs the source of the funds and there would be no need to continue investigations.

To the majority of T&T citizens, TT$6 million is an unimaginable amount of money. Customs, Inland Revenue and Police should all be interested in its source. Regardless of who the alleged culprit is, it should be looked into. Whether the suspect is Jack, Camps, Rowley, Kamla, Dwight Yorke, Bunji Garlin, whoever, it should be resolved through the relevent authorities.

I apologise for the devils advocate statement, I truly believed you were taking that stance.   













Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: royal on June 11, 2011, 10:00:09 AM
dey still had to go through Miami to get to the Bahamas.Dey could hold  people on dey way back. 
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on June 11, 2011, 10:03:10 AM
dey still had to go through Miami to get to the Bahamas.Dey could hold  people on dey way back. 

They would have no authority, this is a private investigation not a US police investigation. However, if there was evidence of any wrongdoing while at the CONCACAF meeting in Miami and FIFA reported it, they could detain people, but I feel thats very, very unlikely.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 11, 2011, 03:13:55 PM

"I don't understand... WHAT is it that you (and Hinds) want Gibbs to investigate??  Where the cash came from?  Is that the smoking gun you're looking for?  Do you even know what the penalty for that offense is?  I just get the feeling that you're so desperate for them to get Warner... on ANYTHING... that you're clinging to this issue with both hands.  I honestly think you'll be disappointed in the end... this is a slap on the wrist offense, likely payable by fine."

I believe the penalty is double the amount brought into the country and/or 8 years imprisonment.

I would be shocked out of my shoes if the penalty for this offense is that steep as it is grossly out of step with similar penalties elsewhere.  But for now I'd have to take your word for it.

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And as you quite rightly pointed out, you don't know if the cash was brought into the country. That implies that also, you don't know is WASN'T brought into the country. What we do both know is that a large some of foreign currency was allegedly dispersed in Trinidad. That then logically leads to the question, "where did it come from?". Assuming it didn't enter the country illegally, I believe the source should be confirmed. Jack could simply show Gibbs the source of the funds and there would be no need to continue investigations.

Why should Jack have to declare the source of the cash... I'm afraid you just don't understand how law enforcement works.  You can't just go prying around into the private affairs of citizens without probable cause to believe that a crime was committed.  If police hold a man walking down the street and find $10,000 cash on him do you think they can force him to tell them the source of the money or how it got into TnT?  If you do then you have another thing coming to you. Just because there are rumors that he's a drug dealer don't give the police the right to start "investigating" him.  Without more there is no reason to believe a crime was committed.  That scenario is directly analogous to the CFU bribe issue.

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To the majority of T&T citizens, TT$6 million is an unimaginable amount of money. Customs, Inland Revenue and Police should all be interested in its source. Regardless of who the alleged culprit is, it should be looked into. Whether the suspect is Jack, Camps, Rowley, Kamla, Dwight Yorke, Bunji Garlin, whoever, it should be resolved through the relevent authorities.

I apologise for the devils advocate statement, I truly believed you were taking that stance.   

Again... why?  Your use of the word "culprit" indicates that you believe the person is guilty of some wrongdoing... on the basis of rumors and innuendos.  Somehow you think that's sufficient to force them to disclose private sensitive information when it's not.  I used the figure $10,000 above because it's a lot lower than $1M, but still a very large amount.  What if I'd used $1,000... or $100?  What is the cut-off for triggering scrutiny?  It can't be arbitrary... whatever "seems" like "too much".  Currently there's no offense for having $1M in foreign currency in the country, and the "source" was already revealed by Bin Hammam's statement that he wired the money into a CFU account.  I would think that Jack Warner has access to withdrawals from a CFU account without having to leave the country.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on June 11, 2011, 09:09:27 PM
bin Hammam wired US$360,000 to CFU. Warner has confirmed that total costs were US$260,000. According to some eye witness statements, all 25 CFU nations were offered a brown envelope containing US$40,000, US$1 million in total.

I'm assuming there are different laws in T&T & USA than in England, because the British police can detain anyone they suspect of a crime. They can demand confirmation of the source of funds, even £10. Now, of course, they need to prove they had a certain degree of evidence otherwise they can be sued for wrongful arrest. In a case such as this, they would probably either request an interview with Mr Warner or invite him to the police station to "help with their enquiries". Mr Warner would no doubt attend with his lawyer. At this point there are two outcomes: Mr Warner would answer the questions and the police would recognise their is no crime to investigate, or Mr Lalla would advise his client to answer every question with "no comment". This would then lead the police to continue their enquiries and apply to a judge for a warrent to access Mr Warner's financial affairs.
Because the police would have several items pointing to an actual crime being committed, i.e. a photograph of a brown envelope containing US$40,000 allegedly taken at the CFU conference, at least 3 sworn affidavits confirming the envelopes were distributed by CFU officials, a statement alledging a CFU official provided a phone number in case there were problems taking the money out of Trinidad via Piarco, they would probably be granted a warrant by the judge.
As I keep pointing out, nobody here knows if a crime was commited and if it was, if Jack was involved. Thats why the police need to investigate. It appears as if a crime has taken place. FIFA, for whatever reason, have decided to launch an investigation which has public interest. The police should investigate.

As for your statement about an arrested man with $10,000, I would believe that any police force in the world has a right to determine the source of the cash. All he has to do is show the source, such as a bank statement, betting slip, whatever. If you're innocent, why should it bother you? If you can't prove the source of the funds, I believe the police can hold the money until proof of ownership is provided. What kind of police force can't make inquiries if it suspects laws are broken? In fact, police often arrest people they suspect of planning to commit a crime, I think its something like "conspiring to commit an offence". Crime prevention as they call it. So, its logical that if you can be arrested for planning a crime, but not yet actually committed a crime, surely you can be investigated if there is proof a crime has been committed and you're a suspect?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: elan on June 11, 2011, 10:10:03 PM
You have to show where you get that money from. Unless they changed recently, you could not even open a bank account unless you can SHOW how you will maintain the account. Fishermen, Farmers and other "self-employed" people in T&T use to ketch arse to open an account.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 11, 2011, 10:58:13 PM
bin Hammam wired US$360,000 to CFU. Warner has confirmed that total costs were US$260,000. According to some eye witness statements, all 25 CFU nations were offered a brown envelope containing US$40,000, US$1 million in total.

I'm assuming there are different laws in T&T & USA than in England, because the British police can detain anyone they suspect of a crime. They can demand confirmation of the source of funds, even £10. Now, of course, they need to prove they had a certain degree of evidence otherwise they can be sued for wrongful arrest. In a case such as this, they would probably either request an interview with Mr Warner or invite him to the police station to "help with their enquiries". Mr Warner would no doubt attend with his lawyer. At this point there are two outcomes: Mr Warner would answer the questions and the police would recognise their is no crime to investigate, or Mr Lalla would advise his client to answer every question with "no comment". This would then lead the police to continue their enquiries and apply to a judge for a warrent to access Mr Warner's financial affairs.

I can unequivocally tell you that on this note you are very wrong.  In every common law jurisdiction (US, UK, TnT, Canada etc.) you need "probable cause" to arrest.  You qualify your statement by saying "of course, they need...evidence".  Yes, my friend... this is called having probable cause.  They cannot "detain anyone they suspect of a crime".  Suspecting someone of a crime and having probable cause to arrest are two completely different things.  And EVEN SO, there isn't even suspicion of a crime.  All they have is Jack Warner allegedly with a large amount of cash.  Not knowing how he got the money into the country and suspecting that he committed a crime in doing so are two different things.  Simply put you are making a logical link between the funds and criminality that on the facts, just isn't there at this point.

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Because the police would have several items pointing to an actual crime being committed, i.e. a photograph of a brown envelope containing US$40,000 allegedly taken at the CFU conference, at least 3 sworn affidavits confirming the envelopes were distributed by CFU officials, a statement alledging a CFU official provided a phone number in case there were problems taking the money out of Trinidad via Piarco, they would probably be granted a warrant by the judge.
As I keep pointing out, nobody here knows if a crime was commited and if it was, if Jack was involved. Thats why the police need to investigate. It appears as if a crime has taken place. FIFA, for whatever reason, have decided to launch an investigation which has public interest. The police should investigate.

You are all over the place with your statements, contradicting yourself as you attempt to draw connections that as of now just don't exist. You claim that photos of the cash is "evidence of a crime being committed" really??  Money being distributed to CFU officials raises an inference of criminality... how??  Then you close with "nobody knows if a crime has been committed"  therefore police need to investigate.  BASED ON WHAT?  Jack having large sums of cash?  That is beyond ridiculous... just look at the facts objectively and you'll see for yourself.  Don't be so eager to hang Jack by the neck that you end up clutching at irrational straws.  I have no interest in defending Jack and would be happy to see him gone... but enough with pikes and torches already.  Come with actual evidence of wrongdoing, not assumptions.  The police cannot investigate on the basis of assumptions because how will they find anything?  They can't force it from Jack and can't go to the banks to find out without a warrant.  And I'm telling you, there is nothing here to give rise to probable cause for a warrant.  You don't have to take my word for it.

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As for your statement about an arrested man with $10,000, I would believe that any police force in the world has a right to determine the source of the cash. All he has to do is show the source, such as a bank statement, betting slip, whatever. If you're innocent, why should it bother you? If you can't prove the source of the funds, I believe the police can hold the money until proof of ownership is provided. What kind of police force can't make inquiries if it suspects laws are broken? In fact, police often arrest people they suspect of planning to commit a crime, I think its something like "conspiring to commit an offence". Crime prevention as they call it. So, its logical that if you can be arrested for planning a crime, but not yet actually committed a crime, surely you can be investigated if there is proof a crime has been committed and you're a suspect?

I think it's best we just agree to disagree... because I'm not the most patient person in the world, and frankly I have little patience for the mindset displayed by the bolded.  Living as a black man in this country has made me very sensitive to the issue of civil liberties and I am fiercely protective of mine.  I want no part of a society where the police can simply pull you over without cause, search you and start questioning you without even suspecting me of a crime.  If I have $1 in my pocket or $10,000 that's my motherf**king business... as is how I got it.  It's not a crime to walk around with large sums of cash or be in possession of it.  The police have a right to ask, and I have a right to tell them it's none of their business, ask if I'm under arrest, and if they say yes, ask for my lawyer without saying another word.  If I'm not under arrest then be on my way.  I understand that that is how police work in TnT, but that is not what the law allows... they get away with it because people don't know their right and there's no one to hold the police accountable.

You're trying to tell me the police have a right to hold my money until I can tell them where I got it?  Are you really listening to yourself?  No offense, but you sound like a damn sheep... if they tell you to jump off a building would you do it too?  You're probably one of these people who think the police can do no wrong.  "If you're innocent, why should it bother you?" BECAUSE I'M INNOCENT!! that's why.  Don't treat me like a blasted criminal if all I'm doing is minding my business.  If you want to live in a world where the police can pull you over whenever they like question you and hold your personal property until you satisfy their questions then good for you... Russia and Communist China will love you.  But that sort of thinking has no place in a functioning democracy.

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Elan, try and maintain focus... nobody's talking about opening a bank account here.  Jack don't have to show anything just because he "allegedly" was in possession of large sums of cash.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: elan on June 11, 2011, 11:14:52 PM

Elan, try and maintain focus... nobody's talking about opening a bank account here.  Jack don't have to show anything just because he "allegedly" was in possession of large sums of cash.

You said

If police hold a man walking down the street and find $10,000 cash on him do you think they can force him to tell them the source of the money or how it got into TnT?  If you do then you have another thing coming to you. Just

I said you have to explain to the police where you get that money. I just added the bank account part to try to explashiate....daiz all. But again, you must tell the police where you get that money or you eh going anywhere.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 11, 2011, 11:22:56 PM

Elan, try and maintain focus... nobody's talking about opening a bank account here.  Jack don't have to show anything just because he "allegedly" was in possession of large sums of cash.

You said

If police hold a man walking down the street and find $10,000 cash on him do you think they can force him to tell them the source of the money or how it got into TnT?  If you do then you have another thing coming to you. Just

I said you have to explain to the police where you get that money. I just added the bank account part to try to explashiate....daiz all. But again, you must tell the police where you get that money or you eh going anywhere.

Even in Trinidad... police could ask you whatever they want but no court will force you to disclose where you get the money simply based on them finding you with the money.  If you have drugs on you or they have other evidence of wrongdoing is another matter.  But simply them stopping you... even if they arrest you for something else... unless they can tie the cash to criminal activity you don't have to tell them anything.  This is what I mean by people not knowing their rights.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on June 12, 2011, 10:17:26 AM
As we have often commented in this discussion, I know little about the details of law. I have been trained in money laundering a financial adviser specifically when it involves tax evasion. I appreciate I may be misguided as UK law may well be different than T&T & US laws. But this is my understanding:

Money laundering is the practice of disguising the origins of illegally-obtained money. Ultimately, it is the process by which the proceeds of crime are made to appear legitimate. The money involved can be generated by any number of criminal acts, including drug dealing, corruption, accounting and other types of fraud, and tax evasion.


Police in the UK, at least, use this legislation to investigate various types of financial crimes, including tax evasion. The original legislation referred purely to drug trafficking and the oroceeds of crime. (In fact it is believed the term "money laundering" was introduced after the sentencing of Al Capone, who used dry cleaning stores as a way of, literally, laundering his money). Although Police may not suspect the suspect of drugs or other organised crime, they can use the legislation if they suspect a financial crime has taken place.

Salt Lake City Olympic bribe scandal.

The international sports community was rocked by a bribery scandal involving the 2002 Winter Olympic Games in Salt Lake City, Utah. Two officials of the Utah committee that secured the games were indicted in 2000 on charges of wire and Mail Fraud, conspiracy, and interstate travel in aid of Racketeering. They were charged with paying an official of the U.S. Olympic Committee (USOC) to help influence the selection of Salt Lake City by the International Olympic Committee (IOC). The USOC official who received the bribes later pleaded guilty to several criminal charges including the accepting of a bribe.

Federal prosecutors contended that the two officials had paid $1 million to influence votes of several IOC members. In addition, they had allegedly diverted some $130,000 of the bid committee's income, and had altered books and created false contracts to conceal their actions. The two officials denied that they had done anything wrong, contending that the payments were intended as grants and scholarships for poor athletes. Following the indictments, ten members of the IOC either resigned or were expelled from the organization, and many reforms were undertaken to prevent bribery. The USOC also authorized an independent review of its practices.

However, the two Utah officials successfully challenged the bribery charges. In July 2001, a federal judge dismissed the bribery charges, finding that a Utah bribery statute could not be applied to the defendants' actions. In December 2001, the judge dismissed the remaining criminal counts.


Non declaration of funds in T&T

The penalty for the filing of a false declaration under the Customs Act is a fine of three times the value of the item not so declared or a term of imprisonment of eight years.


In January 2008 David Cameron, Leader of the Conservative Party, announced that he would, if elected, seek to return stop and search powers to the police. Under Conservative proposals, police sergeants would be able to authorise the use of stop and search of pedestrians and vehicles in a specific area for up to six hours—or 48 hours if permission is granted by a senior officer. 

Not sure if this actually came back into law. Very emotive subject as in the 80's, the so-called "sus law" was abused by police to target black and ethnic minority groups, exactly the type of civil rights abuse you referred to. Funnily enough, I nearly got arrested under the sus law when I attended a protest march against the sus law in Trafalgar Square in 1983! Police were just picking people out of the crowd, mainly black guys, and when we tried to intervene, all these cops with batons and shields came at us and threatened to arrest us on suspicion of starting a riot or some such nonsense.

Abused as it was, I feel the ability of police to arrest someone on suspicion of a crime is essential. Imagine the police are informed that someone is going to shoot one of your family, and that he has an unlicenced gun in his car outside their house. You wouldn't want the police to search the car? Again, it may be annoying, but if you've done no wrong, whats the problem? Every December in UK , 10's of thousands of motorists are stopped for no reason to be breathalysed. I've probably been stopped around 15 times. Personally, I am grateful they do this.


So, again. I will accept that I may be mistaken, and that T&T police, inland revenue, customs may not have the above laws or enough suspicion to act. I will also accept that my interpretation of the laws are misguided. But I understand the law to be a living entity that evolves due to new decisions which become precedents and can be used to support legal arguments.

All I ever suggested, right at the beginning of this debate is that there is enough smoke to at least talk to Warner and make a judgement whether a law has been broken.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 12, 2011, 10:37:41 AM
As we have often commented in this discussion, I know little about the details of law. I have been trained in money laundering a financial adviser specifically when it involves tax evasion. I appreciate I may be misguided as UK law may well be different than T&T & US laws. But this is my understanding:

Money laundering is the practice of disguising the origins of illegally-obtained money. Ultimately, it is the process by which the proceeds of crime are made to appear legitimate. The money involved can be generated by any number of criminal acts, including drug dealing, corruption, accounting and other types of fraud, and tax evasion. (1)


Police in the UK, at least, use this legislation to investigate various types of financial crimes, including tax evasion. The original legislation referred purely to drug trafficking and the oroceeds of crime. (In fact it is believed the term "money laundering" was introduced after the sentencing of Al Capone, who used dry cleaning stores as a way of, literally, laundering his money). Although Police may not suspect the suspect of drugs or other organised crime, they can use the legislation if they suspect a financial crime has taken place.(1)

Salt Lake City Olympic bribe scandal.

The international sports community was rocked by a bribery scandal involving the 2002 Winter Olympic Games in Salt Lake City, Utah. Two officials of the Utah committee that secured the games were indicted in 2000 on charges of wire and Mail Fraud, conspiracy, and interstate travel in aid of Racketeering. They were charged with paying an official of the U.S. Olympic Committee (USOC) to help influence the selection of Salt Lake City by the International Olympic Committee (IOC). The USOC official who received the bribes later pleaded guilty to several criminal charges including the accepting of a bribe.

Federal prosecutors contended that the two officials had paid $1 million to influence votes of several IOC members. In addition, they had allegedly diverted some $130,000 of the bid committee's income, and had altered books and created false contracts to conceal their actions. The two officials denied that they had done anything wrong, contending that the payments were intended as grants and scholarships for poor athletes. Following the indictments, ten members of the IOC either resigned or were expelled from the organization, and many reforms were undertaken to prevent bribery. The USOC also authorized an independent review of its practices.

However, the two Utah officials successfully challenged the bribery charges. In July 2001, a federal judge dismissed the bribery charges, finding that a Utah bribery statute could not be applied to the defendants' actions. In December 2001, the judge dismissed the remaining criminal counts. (2)


Non declaration of funds in T&T

The penalty for the filing of a false declaration under the Customs Act is a fine of three times the value of the item not so declared or a term of imprisonment of eight years. (3)

So, again. I will accept that I may be mistaken, and that T&T police, inland revenue, customs may not have the above laws or enough suspicion to act. I will also accept that my interpretation of the laws are misguided. But I understand the law to be a living entity that evolves due to new decisions which become precedents and can be used to support legal arguments. (4)

All I ever suggested, right at the beginning of this debate is that there is enough smoke to at least talk to Warner and make a judgement whether a law has been broken.


(1)  Please tell me in your mind, what financial crimes Jack Warner may have committed? 

(2) I touched on the Salt Lake City fiasco earlier, unless TnT has a similar "bribery in business affairs" statute, bribery typicall applies to public officials, either them accepting bribes or people offering them bribes.  Any gift or enticement can be interpreted as a bribe, but such gifts and enticement are a regular part of doing business... unless you happen to be doing the public's work.

(3)  Do you have a source for this?  Not trying to bust your balls, but I take things reported in the TnT media with a grain of salt.  I tried looking at the Foreign Exchange Act and the Customs Act but neither addressed the issue of limits on bringing cash into the country nor penalties for violation of the same.

(4)  There are two types of laws... "common law" and "statutory law".  Common law or "case law" as it's sometimes called is most likely what you're thinking of as the "living entity" as that changes with each judicial opinion.  One can in fact get up in court and advocate for changes to prior case law and providing that one is successful, new precedents are set everyday.  Statutory law is a different matter.  These are laws and regulations created by legislation and the only way for an Legislative Act to be amended, is by subsequent legislation, not by judges.  The only role the Judiciary would serve in such a case would be to either address the constitutionality of the law or to apply the law in judicial proceedings.  They can't change it in a courtroom.  Laws governing bribery, embezzlement, fraud, money laundering... violations of customs and excise etc. are all statutory laws, created by Acts of Parliament.  The court can only rule on whether a person is guilty or not of violating the law.


At this point the police can "talk" to Jack all they want... but he (rightfully) is not obligated to answer any of their questions.  For this reason they know they will only be wasting their time, which is why Gibbs is refusing to rush to "investigate" him.  It will yield nothing unless he cooperates, and for now they cannot compel his cooperation.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Trini _2026 on June 12, 2011, 11:09:55 AM
Warner must go - Seaga

Published: Sunday | June 12, 2011

André Lowe, Senior Staff Reporter

President of the Professional Football Association of Jamaica, Edward Seaga, came out swinging in an exclusive interview with The Sunday Gleaner, calling for the head of suspended Confederation of North, Central America and Caribbean Association Football (CONCACAF) and Caribbean Football Union (CFU) president Austin 'Jack' Warner.

Seaga, labelled Warner, who is presently caught in the middle of bribery allegations as a tyrant, and waved a finger at his credibility.

It is alleged that CFU members were given gifts of US$40,000 to influence support for Mohamed bin Hammam, who is also suspended and who at the time was challenging recently re-elected FIFA president Sepp Blatter for the top job at football's global headquarters.

get rid of him

"We cannot continue this thing with Jack Warner, we simply cannot," Seaga asserted. "The man has already committed himself and will most likely do more harm if he is left out there alone, it's time for us to get rid of him."

"We need new leadership in the region, we definitely need new leadership if we are to move forward," added Seaga, a former prime minister of Jamaica, who currently serves as the president of the Premier League Clubs Association.

FIFA has launched an investigation into the allegations and has appointed ex-FBI director Louis Freeh to lead the process.

However, Seaga is already convinced that Warner, who is also a Trinidadian government minister, is toxic to the region's football development and also raised questions about his supporters.

"He has some chief supporters who are not very much different from him and are doing the same things ... ," said the hard-hitting Seaga.

"While there is a path to lead us out of this mess, I am not certain that the guts are there to take this path. People right across the region have their issues but are afraid to come public because of fear for this man," he added, while pointing to an incident where St Kitts and Nevis' Peter Jenkins was barred from both CONCACAF and CFU in 2009, after he opposed well-known Warner ally, Captain Horace Burrell, president of the Jamaica Football Federation as the regional representative of the CONCACAF executive committee.

bad for football

"What kind of democracy is this? The whole money handling, the way in which he (Warner) operates is just bad for the region and bad for football. Here we are at the bottom trying to build football into something that is socially meaningful and doing well with that, and at the top, they are creating something that is managed under tyranny," Seaga stated.

In spite of his determination to see the back of Warner from the CFU top spot, Seaga admitted that he does not know who would be a more suitable option for the role.

"Quite frankly, I do not know the Caribbean football representatives as well as I know the local ones and so, I cannot suggest alternatives, but there are others who can do that," Seaga said.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: elan on June 12, 2011, 01:05:23 PM
As we have often commented in this discussion, I know little about the details of law. I have been trained in money laundering a financial adviser specifically when it involves tax evasion. I appreciate I may be misguided as UK law may well be different than T&T & US laws. But this is my understanding:

Money laundering is the practice of disguising the origins of illegally-obtained money. Ultimately, it is the process by which the proceeds of crime are made to appear legitimate. The money involved can be generated by any number of criminal acts, including drug dealing, corruption, accounting and other types of fraud, and tax evasion. (1)


Police in the UK, at least, use this legislation to investigate various types of financial crimes, including tax evasion. The original legislation referred purely to drug trafficking and the oroceeds of crime. (In fact it is believed the term "money laundering" was introduced after the sentencing of Al Capone, who used dry cleaning stores as a way of, literally, laundering his money). Although Police may not suspect the suspect of drugs or other organised crime, they can use the legislation if they suspect a financial crime has taken place.(1)

Salt Lake City Olympic bribe scandal.

The international sports community was rocked by a bribery scandal involving the 2002 Winter Olympic Games in Salt Lake City, Utah. Two officials of the Utah committee that secured the games were indicted in 2000 on charges of wire and Mail Fraud, conspiracy, and interstate travel in aid of Racketeering. They were charged with paying an official of the U.S. Olympic Committee (USOC) to help influence the selection of Salt Lake City by the International Olympic Committee (IOC). The USOC official who received the bribes later pleaded guilty to several criminal charges including the accepting of a bribe.

Federal prosecutors contended that the two officials had paid $1 million to influence votes of several IOC members. In addition, they had allegedly diverted some $130,000 of the bid committee's income, and had altered books and created false contracts to conceal their actions. The two officials denied that they had done anything wrong, contending that the payments were intended as grants and scholarships for poor athletes. Following the indictments, ten members of the IOC either resigned or were expelled from the organization, and many reforms were undertaken to prevent bribery. The USOC also authorized an independent review of its practices.

However, the two Utah officials successfully challenged the bribery charges. In July 2001, a federal judge dismissed the bribery charges, finding that a Utah bribery statute could not be applied to the defendants' actions. In December 2001, the judge dismissed the remaining criminal counts. (2)


Non declaration of funds in T&T

The penalty for the filing of a false declaration under the Customs Act is a fine of three times the value of the item not so declared or a term of imprisonment of eight years. (3)

So, again. I will accept that I may be mistaken, and that T&T police, inland revenue, customs may not have the above laws or enough suspicion to act. I will also accept that my interpretation of the laws are misguided. But I understand the law to be a living entity that evolves due to new decisions which become precedents and can be used to support legal arguments. (4)

All I ever suggested, right at the beginning of this debate is that there is enough smoke to at least talk to Warner and make a judgement whether a law has been broken.


(1)  Please tell me in your mind, what financial crimes Jack Warner may have committed? 

(2) I touched on the Salt Lake City fiasco earlier, unless TnT has a similar "bribery in business affairs" statute, bribery typicall applies to public officials, either them accepting bribes or people offering them bribes.  Any gift or enticement can be interpreted as a bribe, but such gifts and enticement are a regular part of doing business... unless you happen to be doing the public's work.

(3)  Do you have a source for this?  Not trying to bust your balls, but I take things reported in the TnT media with a grain of salt.  I tried looking at the Foreign Exchange Act and the Customs Act but neither addressed the issue of limits on bringing cash into the country nor penalties for violation of the same.

(4)  There are two types of laws... "common law" and "statutory law".  Common law or "case law" as it's sometimes called is most likely what you're thinking of as the "living entity" as that changes with each judicial opinion.  One can in fact get up in court and advocate for changes to prior case law and providing that one is successful, new precedents are set everyday.  Statutory law is a different matter.  These are laws and regulations created by legislation and the only way for an Legislative Act to be amended, is by subsequent legislation, not by judges.  The only role the Judiciary would serve in such a case would be to either address the constitutionality of the law or to apply the law in judicial proceedings.  They can't change it in a courtroom.  Laws governing bribery, embezzlement, fraud, money laundering... violations of customs and excise etc. are all statutory laws, created by Acts of Parliament.  The court can only rule on whether a person is guilty or not of violating the law.


At this point the police can "talk" to Jack all they want... but he (rightfully) is not obligated to answer any of their questions.  For this reason they know they will only be wasting their time, which is why Gibbs is refusing to rush to "investigate" him.  It will yield nothing unless he cooperates, and for now they cannot compel his cooperation.

So Bakes you are saying that anyone can wire me a million dollars and then I withdraw it and the bank or whatever financial institution eh see no problem with this? The police find out and they eh ask me nutten, and even if they do, I tell them is not dey business?

Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: weary1969 on June 12, 2011, 02:46:00 PM
Seaga tryin 2 b relevant but I go take d call.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: dreamer on June 12, 2011, 04:53:03 PM
FIFA BRIBERY SCANDAL
Warner not talking as CFU members co-operate with probe
Trinidad & Tobago Guardian Online
Published: Sun, 2011-06-12  
   

http://guardian.co.tt/sport/2011/06/12/warner-not-talking-cfu-members-co-operate-probe


Jack Warner BRIDGETOWN—The Caribbean Football Union says it will co-operate with Fifa’s investigation into bribery allegations, as it seeks to bring an end to the conflict that has sent shockwaves through the global fraternity. Acting CFU president Captain Horace Burrell gave the assurance after a decision was made to conduct the interviews in the Bahamas instead of Miami. Several CFU members were opposed to Miami, USA, as a venue for the interviews, claiming that it gave the investigation an inherent American bias. “In light of the attempts to address the challenges facing the Caribbean Football Union as well bring closure to the Ethics Committee proceedings, members of the Caribbean Football Union will fully co-operate with any investigation being conducted on behalf of the Fifa Ethics Committee” Burrell said.

The interviews are part of a Fifa ethics committee investigation probing allegations that bribes were given to CFU members at a meeting in Port-of-Spain, T&T last month with Fifa presidential candidate Mohamed Bin Hammam. Suspended Fifa vice president Jack Warner has refused to answer questions surrounding investigations into possible misconduct. Speaking yesterday following an environmental walk put on by the Ministry of Works and Transport Ministry, the usually engaging minister, when asked by the media if he was going to the Bahamas to face  the investigator appointed by Fifa,  responded: “I not answering them questions. What you wasting my time for? I not talking to all you about that. Respect my wishes, nah.”
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on June 12, 2011, 07:46:35 PM
Hmm, so now Burrell is acting CFU president? Now I understand how it works...you get to be President for a week, and then you're suspended. I wonder what happens in 21 weeks time when they run out of CFU countries?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on June 12, 2011, 08:38:12 PM

Elan, try and maintain focus... nobody's talking about opening a bank account here.  Jack don't have to show anything just because he "allegedly" was in possession of large sums of cash.

You said

If police hold a man walking down the street and find $10,000 cash on him do you think they can force him to tell them the source of the money or how it got into TnT?  If you do then you have another thing coming to you. Just

I said you have to explain to the police where you get that money. I just added the bank account part to try to explashiate....daiz all. But again, you must tell the police where you get that money or you eh going anywhere.

Even in Trinidad... police could ask you whatever they want but no court will force you to disclose where you get the money simply based on them finding you with the money.  If you have drugs on you or they have other evidence of wrongdoing is another matter.  But simply them stopping you... even if they arrest you for something else... unless they can tie the cash to criminal activity you don't have to tell them anything.  This is what I mean by people not knowing their rights.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 12, 2011, 10:09:53 PM
So Bakes you are saying that anyone can wire me a million dollars and then I withdraw it and the bank or whatever financial institution eh see no problem with this? The police find out and they eh ask me nutten, and even if they do, I tell them is not dey business?

It could be $10M dollars... if they wiring it into your bank account then what the bank have to ask you about your money?  What police questioning you for... is it against the law to deposit a million dollars into yuh own bank account and then withdraw it?  Suppose was only ah blue note yuh withdraw, could the police hold you and ask yuh where yuh get it from??  Allyuh men must think logically and not get caught up in dem Law and Order Hollywood foolishness.  If yuh ent commit no crime then you have nutten to answer for to the police or anybody else.  The amount of money is immaterial.


EDIT:

Found what might be some applicable laws:

http://rgd.legalaffairs.gov.tt/Laws2/Alphabetical_List/lawspdfs/79.50.pdf

Can't copy and paste the text but it can be found on Pg. 16, subsection (3).  Penalties are:

a) If on Summary Conviction (misdemeanor) - maximum fine of $5,000 and up to 2 yrs imprisonment.
b) If on Conviction on Indictment (felony)- maximum fine of $10,000 and up to 5 yrs imprisonment

However where the offence concerns currency... and is more than just a failure to provide information when required to do so, the fine could be up to three times the value of the currency in question.

So the penalty to Jack could be severe... but I saw nothing in the act that directly relates to the issue here in contention.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: vb on June 13, 2011, 06:47:36 AM
So Bakes you are saying that anyone can wire me a million dollars and then I withdraw it and the bank or whatever financial institution eh see no problem with this? The police find out and they eh ask me nutten, and even if they do, I tell them is not dey business?

It could be $10M dollars... if they wiring it into your bank account then what the bank have to ask you about your money?  What police questioning you for... is it against the law to deposit a million dollars into yuh own bank account and then withdraw it?  Suppose was only ah blue note yuh withdraw, could the police hold you and ask yuh where yuh get it from??  Allyuh men must think logically and not get caught up in dem Law and Order Hollywood foolishness.  If yuh ent commit no crime then you have nutten to answer for to the police or anybody else.  The amount of money is immaterial.


EDIT:

Found what might be some applicable laws:

http://rgd.legalaffairs.gov.tt/Laws2/Alphabetical_List/lawspdfs/79.50.pdf

Can't copy and paste the text but it can be found on Pg. 16, subsection (3).  Penalties are:

a) If on Summary Conviction (misdemeanor) - maximum fine of $5,000 and up to 2 yrs imprisonment.
b) If on Conviction on Indictment (felony)- maximum fine of $10,000 and up to 5 yrs imprisonment

However where the offence concerns currency... and is more than just a failure to provide information when required to do so, the fine could be up to three times the value of the currency in question.

So the penalty to Jack could be severe... but I saw nothing in the act that directly relates to the issue here in contention.

I cant speak for every country but in Toronto where my home is based. I've been told by the Royal Bank there that any deposit of more than $10 000.00 must be explained.

I've done this once or twice with  a very basic explanation. But no explanation would lead to a query. Yes that includes wire transfers.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on June 13, 2011, 06:47:50 AM
"if they wiring it into your bank account then what the bank have to ask you about your money?"

Actually, every bank from nations signed up to the International anti-money laundering agreements and cross border financial transaction legislation (which is probably around 160 countries) have to, by law, investigate any irregular transactions. Under the "know your customer" guidelines, an unusual large transaction should be questioned. Now if you usually have a bank balance of $500 and you suddenly receive $10,000, they may not question it, but if you receive $100,000 or $10,000 per week, they have a duty to check this out.

Usually, they would check the source of the funds and if it was legitimate, then nothing would be said. If they are unsure, their first option is to invite you to the bank on the premise that your money is in an under performing account and they would offer you higher interest bearing accounts as well as financial planning advice. At this meeting they would ask the source of funds (which, of course, you don't have to declare).

If this meeting does not satisfy the bank or you do not attend, the bank will then report the unusual activity to the police financial crimes department and monitor your accounts.

There are very severe financial penalties for banks that do not initiate anti money laundering procedures and usually the bank official responsible would be fired if he doesn't follow the simple procedures in place.

NB: In the UK, any financial adviser and estate agent also has to adhere to these guidelines or face prosecution. I have completed many money laundering checks for sums from £10,000 to £500,000 and have never had any client not co operate. If anyone did fail to co operate I would have had to refuse to complete the business as I would be breaking laws. I only ever reported one client to the financial services investigators because I was suspicious of the source of funds.

As I have said before, if you have nothing to hide, whats the problem?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 13, 2011, 09:14:29 AM
"if they wiring it into your bank account then what the bank have to ask you about your money?"

Actually, every bank from nations signed up to the International anti-money laundering agreements and cross border financial transaction legislation (which is probably around 160 countries) have to, by law, investigate any irregular transactions. Under the "know your customer" guidelines, an unusual large transaction should be questioned. Now if you usually have a bank balance of $500 and you suddenly receive $10,000, they may not question it, but if you receive $100,000 or $10,000 per week, they have a duty to check this out.

Usually, they would check the source of the funds and if it was legitimate, then nothing would be said. If they are unsure, their first option is to invite you to the bank on the premise that your money is in an under performing account and they would offer you higher interest bearing accounts as well as financial planning advice. At this meeting they would ask the source of funds (which, of course, you don't have to declare).

If this meeting does not satisfy the bank or you do not attend, the bank will then report the unusual activity to the police financial crimes department and monitor your accounts.

There are very severe financial penalties for banks that do not initiate anti money laundering procedures and usually the bank official responsible would be fired if he doesn't follow the simple procedures in place.

NB: In the UK, any financial adviser and estate agent also has to adhere to these guidelines or face prosecution. I have completed many money laundering checks for sums from £10,000 to £500,000 and have never had any client not co operate. If anyone did fail to co operate I would have had to refuse to complete the business as I would be breaking laws. I only ever reported one client to the financial services investigators because I was suspicious of the source of funds.

As I have said before, if you have nothing to hide, whats the problem?

Do you have any idea what is regular or irregular for Jack Warner?  If he has never recieved such large sums before then maybe based on that treaty there would be actual "cause" to investigate.  I suspect there isn't as he surely has had bigger deposits into accounts he bears responsibility for.  So no need for bank inquiry.

Nothing to hide does not mean you are supposed to be at the mercy of any and all who elect to propogate stories for which they have no solid proof nor are you subject to any unreasonable standard to explain your dealings.  You and others are dissecting this from moral and emotional grounds yet want the law to get involved, not sure how or why.

As for your previous example of a man with a bullet wound, even with all the emotions you could muster up I doubt you honestly believe that comparison is even worthy of a response.  I will humor you anyway though.  So "Gibbs buying his doubles in st James and sees a man lying dead with a bullet hole in his chest, is he supposed to ignore it until someone shouts "murdah?"  No he is not as the suspicion that a crime may have occured has to be there.  He in the capacity of law inforcement has a duty to investigate what could in fact be a murder scene.  So far with JW you cannot point to anything other than what you "emotionally suspect could have possibly happened."  Now read over what I just typed doesn't that look overly rediculous to the naked eye?

Jack Warner could just as easily have a safe with a million dollars in it from which he sourced the cash.  If there is a fire in JW's home and while the fire is being put out a safe is recovered and damaged enough that it can be opened but the contents are safe, would Jack have to face investigation over it's contents without any possible cause other than the sum seems abnormal for someone to have in cash? 

So now look how Giskus has provided Jack with an out: Giskus said Warner invited him to the May 10-11 expenses-paid conference promising gift packages for union members. The meeting was announced when bin Hammam did not attend the North and Central American and Caribbean (CONCACAF) congress in Miami one week earlier.

Didn't another official say that they were told the funds were for a pet project of their choice football related?  Or was it Giskus?  Given that Jack usually dealt in cash according to Giskus, the allegation of bribe is becoming less potent.  Unless an official can say I was told that this is in exchange for your vote, this will all amount to nothing.  And more and more it is becoming an apparent witch hunt/ political maneuver within CONCACAF by Blazer.  Dirty or not they making themselves look worse than Jack with this approach.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: truetrini on June 13, 2011, 10:20:06 AM
Hmm, so now Burrell is acting CFU president? Now I understand how it works...you get to be President for a week, and then you're suspended. I wonder what happens in 21 weeks time when they run out of CFU countries?

CFU is way different to CONCACAF!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Jayerson on June 13, 2011, 11:43:42 AM
"if they wiring it into your bank account then what the bank have to ask you about your money?"

Actually, every bank from nations signed up to the International anti-money laundering agreements and cross border financial transaction legislation (which is probably around 160 countries) have to, by law, investigate any irregular transactions. Under the "know your customer" guidelines, an unusual large transaction should be questioned. Now if you usually have a bank balance of $500 and you suddenly receive $10,000, they may not question it, but if you receive $100,000 or $10,000 per week, they have a duty to check this out.

Usually, they would check the source of the funds and if it was legitimate, then nothing would be said. If they are unsure, their first option is to invite you to the bank on the premise that your money is in an under performing account and they would offer you higher interest bearing accounts as well as financial planning advice. At this meeting they would ask the source of funds (which, of course, you don't have to declare).

If this meeting does not satisfy the bank or you do not attend, the bank will then report the unusual activity to the police financial crimes department and monitor your accounts.

There are very severe financial penalties for banks that do not initiate anti money laundering procedures and usually the bank official responsible would be fired if he doesn't follow the simple procedures in place.

NB: In the UK, any financial adviser and estate agent also has to adhere to these guidelines or face prosecution. I have completed many money laundering checks for sums from £10,000 to £500,000 and have never had any client not co operate. If anyone did fail to co operate I would have had to refuse to complete the business as I would be breaking laws. I only ever reported one client to the financial services investigators because I was suspicious of the source of funds.

As I have said before, if you have nothing to hide, whats the problem?

Do you have any idea what is regular or irregular for Jack Warner?  If he has never recieved such large sums before then maybe based on that treaty there would be actual "cause" to investigate.  I suspect there isn't as he surely has had bigger deposits into accounts he bears responsibility for.  So no need for bank inquiry.

Nothing to hide does not mean you are supposed to be at the mercy of any and all who elect to propogate stories for which they have no solid proof nor are you subject to any unreasonable standard to explain your dealings.  You and others are dissecting this from moral and emotional grounds yet want the law to get involved, not sure how or why.

As for your previous example of a man with a bullet wound, even with all the emotions you could muster up I doubt you honestly believe that comparison is even worthy of a response.  I will humor you anyway though.  So "Gibbs buying his doubles in st James and sees a man lying dead with a bullet hole in his chest, is he supposed to ignore it until someone shouts "murdah?"  No he is not as the suspicion that a crime may have occured has to be there.  He in the capacity of law inforcement has a duty to investigate what could in fact be a murder scene.  So far with JW you cannot point to anything other than what you "emotionally suspect could have possibly happened."  Now read over what I just typed doesn't that look overly rediculous to the naked eye?

Jack Warner could just as easily have a safe with a million dollars in it from which he sourced the cash.  If there is a fire in JW's home and while the fire is being put out a safe is recovered and damaged enough that it can be opened but the contents are safe, would Jack have to face investigation over it's contents without any possible cause other than the sum seems abnormal for someone to have in cash? 

So now look how Giskus has provided Jack with an out: Giskus said Warner invited him to the May 10-11 expenses-paid conference promising gift packages for union members. The meeting was announced when bin Hammam did not attend the North and Central American and Caribbean (CONCACAF) congress in Miami one week earlier.

Didn't another official say that they were told the funds were for a pet project of their choice football related?  Or was it Giskus?  Given that Jack usually dealt in cash according to Giskus, the allegation of bribe is becoming less potent.  Unless an official can say I was told that this is in exchange for your vote, this will all amount to nothing.  And more and more it is becoming an apparent witch hunt/ political maneuver within CONCACAF by Blazer.  Dirty or not they making themselves look worse than Jack with this approach.

The thing is, Bin Hammam had already left when this bribe money was passed. In addition to which, I vaguely remember Jack Warner saying in an interview on the last day of the CFU meeting that member would be accused of getting money, getting cars, getting barrells of oil etc. Do I remember this correctly?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: mukumsplau on June 13, 2011, 11:44:53 AM
i wouldve sent that too...a criminal mastermind thinks ahead
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 13, 2011, 11:58:40 AM
The thing is, Bin Hammam had already left when this bribe money was passed. In addition to which, I vaguely remember Jack Warner saying in an interview on the last day of the CFU meeting that member would be accused of getting money, getting cars, getting barrells of oil etc. Do I remember this correctly?

Well BH already looks to be in the clear with his statements as to what he spent and why.  Which makes the whole thing even more strange because that would mean (going solely by what has been made public) that JW put the rest of the "bribe" from either his or CFU's funds.  If anything the way the info has come out so far it seems as if the $40K that all are alleged to have recieved was a reward for attending as opposed to being for votes.  With all the headlines and posturing I have yet to read anywhere that anyone was explicitly told collect something outside fuh supporting the future president of FIFA whom you'll be voting for.  Ah vaguely remember reading something so in troot though Jay
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Jayerson on June 13, 2011, 12:21:50 PM
The thing is, Bin Hammam had already left when this bribe money was passed. In addition to which, I vaguely remember Jack Warner saying in an interview on the last day of the CFU meeting that member would be accused of getting money, getting cars, getting barrells of oil etc. Do I remember this correctly?

Well BH already looks to be in the clear with his statements as to what he spent and why.  Which makes the whole thing even more strange because that would mean (going solely by what has been made public) that JW put the rest of the "bribe" from either his or CFU's funds.  If anything the way the info has come out so far it seems as if the $40K that all are alleged to have recieved was a reward for attending as opposed to being for votes.  With all the headlines and posturing I have yet to read anywhere that anyone was explicitly told collect something outside fuh supporting the future president of FIFA whom you'll be voting for.  Ah vaguely remember reading something so in troot though Jay

That's how its coming across to me also. Just like the Lord Triesman allegations, Jack Warner never told them he'll vote for them if they did X, Y, Z. So far, Bahamas, Puerto Rico, Bermuda etc have not come out and actually said that. In addition to which, the bulk of the CFU have said they did not receive any bribes or indcuements.

Also, how does one define or limit the paramaters of a bribe? What's so different from one federation agreeing to play another federation's national team, an event that would be a high profile, high revenue generating venture in the hope that such an agreement induces that said federation to vote/influence voting towards their WC bid? God knows where the bulk of that money went to.  :-X
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 13, 2011, 12:43:49 PM
The thing is, Bin Hammam had already left when this bribe money was passed. In addition to which, I vaguely remember Jack Warner saying in an interview on the last day of the CFU meeting that member would be accused of getting money, getting cars, getting barrells of oil etc. Do I remember this correctly?

Well BH already looks to be in the clear with his statements as to what he spent and why.  Which makes the whole thing even more strange because that would mean (going solely by what has been made public) that JW put the rest of the "bribe" from either his or CFU's funds.  If anything the way the info has come out so far it seems as if the $40K that all are alleged to have recieved was a reward for attending as opposed to being for votes.  With all the headlines and posturing I have yet to read anywhere that anyone was explicitly told collect something outside fuh supporting the future president of FIFA whom you'll be voting for.  Ah vaguely remember reading something so in troot though Jay

That's how its coming across to me also. Just like the Lord Triesman allegations, Jack Warner never told them he'll vote for them if they did X, Y, Z. So far, Bahamas, Puerto Rico, Bermuda etc have not come out and actually said that. In addition to which, the bulk of the CFU have said they did not receive any bribes or indcuements.

Also, how does one define or limit the paramaters of a bribe? What's so different from one federation agreeing to play another federation's national team, an event that would be a high profile, high revenue generating venture in the hope that such an agreement induces that said federation to vote/influence voting towards their WC bid? God knows where the bulk of that money went to.  :-X

Doh tell meh da was an attempted bribe too nah  :devil:

Jack might be ah money grubbing nastiness buh he eh no dunce.  De shit dey trying here is what yuh does nail inexperienced corn artists with, not big fish like Jack.  Blazer will end up feelin rell schupid when it's all over if he doh have something more concrete to hold JW over the fire with.  This is good drama buh it also really designed to take advantage of people hatred of JW so as to cause a groundswell of outcry to get him out.  Problem with that though is that they need more than outcry as that has been fully exhausted but to no avail.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 13, 2011, 12:56:14 PM
"if they wiring it into your bank account then what the bank have to ask you about your money?"

Actually, every bank from nations signed up to the International anti-money laundering agreements and cross border financial transaction legislation (which is probably around 160 countries) have to, by law, investigate any irregular transactions. Under the "know your customer" guidelines, an unusual large transaction should be questioned. Now if you usually have a bank balance of $500 and you suddenly receive $10,000, they may not question it, but if you receive $100,000 or $10,000 per week, they have a duty to check this out.

Usually, they would check the source of the funds and if it was legitimate, then nothing would be said. If they are unsure, their first option is to invite you to the bank on the premise that your money is in an under performing account and they would offer you higher interest bearing accounts as well as financial planning advice. At this meeting they would ask the source of funds (which, of course, you don't have to declare).

If this meeting does not satisfy the bank or you do not attend, the bank will then report the unusual activity to the police financial crimes department and monitor your accounts.

There are very severe financial penalties for banks that do not initiate anti money laundering procedures and usually the bank official responsible would be fired if he doesn't follow the simple procedures in place.

NB: In the UK, any financial adviser and estate agent also has to adhere to these guidelines or face prosecution. I have completed many money laundering checks for sums from £10,000 to £500,000 and have never had any client not co operate. If anyone did fail to co operate I would have had to refuse to complete the business as I would be breaking laws. I only ever reported one client to the financial services investigators because I was suspicious of the source of funds.

As I have said before, if you have nothing to hide, whats the problem?

What is the definition of "irregular activity"?  Clearly receiving large deposits on a weekly or monthly basis is not by definition "irregular".  Nor does any of your scenarios apply to Jack Warner since he regularly conducts business involving wire transfers into and out of the country, presumably in large quantities.  I can tell you categorically that banks here in the US cannot unilaterally reveal any of our personal business with the bank to the police... or anyone else, or risk suit for breach of confidentiality/privacy.  Nor can the police access that information without a warrant.


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As I have said before, if you have nothing to hide, whats the problem?


As I'VE said before, this is just stupid... and I see no point in further addressing it.  If the police randomly pull you over and ask to search your person, you're probably the type to meekly comply without question, never mind the violation of your rights.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on June 13, 2011, 04:48:19 PM
1. "Irregular transactions" was my terminology. As legal people drafted the legislation theres probably a whole paragraph to more acurately describe it.

2. USA and UK have the tightest anti financial crime legislation/laws/whatever else the terminology is. I strongly suggest that if you check, every bank in the USA has to adhere to the stringent money laundering laws in place or risk large fines. They do monitor large or unusual transactions and they do report this to the authorities.

3. Despite your protest about your personal rights being infringed, these laws are used to track and arrest terrorists, drug dealers, human traffickers etc. I am 100% in favour of the authorities ability to ask me any damn question they want if it means my family and friends live in a safer environment. I actually feel very strongly about civil rights and personal privacy, but I have absoloutely no problem with my bank or the police knowing the source of my funds.

The whole point of this is that as far as we can determine US$1 million was floating around in Trinidad. If Warner had withdrew this sum from his bank and it can be proved the money was offered as a bribe, a link has been made. Whether or not a crime has been committed, it certainly is not appropriate behaviour for a politician. However, I don't think Jack withdrew the money, I'm guessing bin Hammam brought the cash into T&T. As you are aware, this is illegal. I can see no reason why Warner would use his cash to attempt to bribe CFU officials. I'm sure if he just asked, they would back him. bin Hammam on the other hand, would certainly see the benefit of having a block vote of 25 from CFU.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 13, 2011, 05:32:49 PM
1. "Irregular transactions" was my terminology. As legal people drafted the legislation theres probably a whole paragraph to more acurately describe it.

No offense, but this is really becoming pointless.  You feel that Jack must have broken some law... any law... and we can find out what law he broke until we investigate further.  In short you think the police should go digging until they uncover something.  That's just not the way the law operates.

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2. USA and UK have the tightest anti financial crime legislation/laws/whatever else the terminology is. I strongly suggest that if you check, every bank in the USA has to adhere to the stringent money laundering laws in place or risk large fines. They do monitor large or unusual transactions and they do report this to the authorities.


Well I've never worked for the Treasury Department or the SEC, but as I told you... there is no law that authorizes financial institutions to reveal their customers' personal information without a warrant founded on probable cause that a crime has occurred.  I don't have to check anything... I can tell you that for fact.  Of course they have to adhere to money laundering laws... just not your personal definition or feeling as to what constitutes money laundering.  There are laws against money laundering here in the US and perhaps the most familiar is requirement for banks to report all transactions over $10,000, and penalties for structuring transactions so as to evade scrutiny.


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3. Despite your protest about your personal rights being infringed, these laws are used to track and arrest terrorists, drug dealers, human traffickers etc. I am 100% in favour of the authorities ability to ask me any damn question they want if it means my family and friends live in a safer environment. I actually feel very strongly about civil rights and personal privacy, but I have absoloutely no problem with my bank or the police knowing the source of my funds.


I'm sorry, but you haven't the faintest clue as to what you're talking about... you'd be very surprised at what the reality actually yields.  NYC police use the same rational to harrass minorities in Time Square by routinely stopping and frisking them and not doing the same to white pedestrians.  Worse, they keep the personal information of the people they stop on file, even the ones who are not found with weapons or contraband in their possession.  The Dep't of Homeland Security for years used similar laws to routinely eavesdrop on the phone conversations of private individuals... when finally challenged in court the yield of the programs were far outweighed by the cost to the privacy of the public at large and the victims of the eavesdropping specifically.  Communist China and Russia are relatively crime free... as are Iran and North Korea. There the police have the very same rights as you advocate... if it bothers you that much then why not pack up your family and move them there?  A free Democratic society clearly isn't the place for you.  In fact why don't we just have the police come rouse us from sleep whenever they want and go thru our homes... can you imagine how many drug dealers and illegal gun owners we could put behind bars if we did that?

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The whole point of this is that as far as we can determine US$1 million was floating around in Trinidad. If Warner had withdrew this sum from his bank and it can be proved the money was offered as a bribe, a link has been made. Whether or not a crime has been committed, it certainly is not appropriate behaviour for a politician. However, I don't think Jack withdrew the money, I'm guessing bin Hammam brought the cash into T&T. As you are aware, this is illegal. I can see no reason why Warner would use his cash to attempt to bribe CFU officials. I'm sure if he just asked, they would back him. bin Hammam on the other hand, would certainly see the benefit of having a block vote of 25 from CFU.

What is so hard for you to understand?  If Bin Hammam wired the money to Jack and Jack then took the money out of his account and paid these bribes as alleged, how is he using his own money?  If Bim Hammam brought the cash into the country then he broke TnT laws and Jack didn't... you still don't achieve your objective.  Whether you think paying bribes Is "appropriate behaviour" or not is besides the point... it still isn't the smoking gun you hope it to be.  In fact, under the worst of scenarios... Jack himself brought $1 million into the country w/o declaring it, there still is no smoking gun because you simply cannot prove it.  Jack Warner is a multi millionaire with a large real estate portfolio.  Explaining the source of his money will not be a problem for him.  He could easily say that he had the money in a hole under his house, deposited over time... and we'd have no way of disproving anything he said.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: fitzinho on June 13, 2011, 07:00:46 PM
the two ah alyuh still with this back and forth?? is a week now man lol
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on June 13, 2011, 07:14:34 PM
the two ah alyuh still with this back and forth?? is a week now man lol

Yeah, and we're both getting tired of it lol. I guess we have to agree to disagree! Bakes, you think I'm wrong, I think you're wrong and all this time, they still ain't catch no one!!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: davyjenny1 on June 13, 2011, 08:46:27 PM
the two ah alyuh still with this back and forth?? is a week now man lol

If again! is better they have a live debate or a town hall meeting
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 13, 2011, 08:59:44 PM
the two ah alyuh still with this back and forth?? is a week now man lol

Yeah, and we're both getting tired of it lol. I guess we have to agree to disagree! Bakes, you think I'm wrong, I think you're wrong and all this time, they still ain't catch no one!!

The difference is that one of us is armed with facts... not conjecture 




 ;D
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on June 13, 2011, 11:53:15 PM
the two ah alyuh still with this back and forth?? is a week now man lol

Yeah, and we're both getting tired of it lol. I guess we have to agree to disagree! Bakes, you think I'm wrong, I think you're wrong and all this time, they still ain't catch no one!!

The difference is that one of us is armed with facts... not conjecture 




 ;D

No comment  :beermug:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on June 13, 2011, 11:55:59 PM
Speaking of town hall debates, I bumped into Tansley Thompson today. He said there is a meeting at the PoS town hall on saturday to discuss T&T football including TTFF and the Jack Warner situation. All are welcome including current and ex professional players.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 14, 2011, 07:49:52 AM
the two ah alyuh still with this back and forth?? is a week now man lol

If again! is better they have a live debate or a town hall meeting

FS go lose doh, because he arguing morals and emotions not facts.  Up to now I still want to know what potential proof is available that JW broke any laws?  So far nothing but smoke and mirrors in an attempt to get people like FS hot and bothered enough to call for investigations because of the animous they hold for de teflon stutterah!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on June 14, 2011, 09:20:23 AM
the two ah alyuh still with this back and forth?? is a week now man lol

If again! is better they have a live debate or a town hall meeting

FS go lose doh, because he arguing morals and emotions not facts.  Up to now I still want to know what potential proof is available that JW broke any laws?  So far nothing but smoke and mirrors in an attempt to get people like FS hot and bothered enough to call for investigations because of the animous they hold for de teflon stutterah!

FK, firstly I am 100% sure about certain facts, but I think Bakes, myself and everyone on this forum were becoming bored with the whole debate.

Secondly, I come from a country where any sniff of scandal and wrongdoing is pounced on, investigated and published. Usually, a politician would have been politely asked to resign immediately the media grab hold of such a story. Now this may not always be fair, but the voting public have a right to know if their M.P.s are involved in dubious activities. All I have said is that this whole scenario looks suspicious. If there is a reasonable explanation, then this should be offered. Mr Warner has not offered a reasonable explanation. Not one word has been mentioned about the source of the US$1 million. Nor the missing US$100,000 (difference between the amount bin Hammam says he sent and the amount Warner says he received). Now I'm damn sure that any organisation in the world would simply issue a press release to clear things up. But CFU can't do this because they would then be admitting that money was offered. So people are making sworn affidavits concerning cash that CFU can't admit exists. If, as some officials have stated, this was a CFU grant, why doesn't the CFU come out and explain this? So it leads you to speculate and assume (always a dangerous activity) that there was money changing hands but this can't be admitted because it may appear to be bribery, the money may be from an undeclared source and the money could also have been taken out of T&T without declaration.
I don't care if it was Jack, Camps or the doubles seller in St James, someone either has to categorically deny this speculation or it should be investigated. Just saying it didn't happen is not sufficient.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: ribbit on June 14, 2011, 09:28:54 AM
"if they wiring it into your bank account then what the bank have to ask you about your money?"

Actually, every bank from nations signed up to the International anti-money laundering agreements and cross border financial transaction legislation (which is probably around 160 countries) have to, by law, investigate any irregular transactions. Under the "know your customer" guidelines, an unusual large transaction should be questioned. Now if you usually have a bank balance of $500 and you suddenly receive $10,000, they may not question it, but if you receive $100,000 or $10,000 per week, they have a duty to check this out.

Usually, they would check the source of the funds and if it was legitimate, then nothing would be said. If they are unsure, their first option is to invite you to the bank on the premise that your money is in an under performing account and they would offer you higher interest bearing accounts as well as financial planning advice. At this meeting they would ask the source of funds (which, of course, you don't have to declare).

If this meeting does not satisfy the bank or you do not attend, the bank will then report the unusual activity to the police financial crimes department and monitor your accounts.

There are very severe financial penalties for banks that do not initiate anti money laundering procedures and usually the bank official responsible would be fired if he doesn't follow the simple procedures in place.

NB: In the UK, any financial adviser and estate agent also has to adhere to these guidelines or face prosecution. I have completed many money laundering checks for sums from £10,000 to £500,000 and have never had any client not co operate. If anyone did fail to co operate I would have had to refuse to complete the business as I would be breaking laws. I only ever reported one client to the financial services investigators because I was suspicious of the source of funds.

As I have said before, if you have nothing to hide, whats the problem?

What is the definition of "irregular activity"?  Clearly receiving large deposits on a weekly or monthly basis is not by definition "irregular".  Nor does any of your scenarios apply to Jack Warner since he regularly conducts business involving wire transfers into and out of the country, presumably in large quantities.  I can tell you categorically that banks here in the US cannot unilaterally reveal any of our personal business with the bank to the police... or anyone else, or risk suit for breach of confidentiality/privacy.  Nor can the police access that information without a warrant.

bakes, FS know what he talking about. AML detection is standard practice for de banking industry. if yuh want privacy, hide yur money in yur mattress. doh expect privacy from a bank.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 14, 2011, 10:37:46 AM
the two ah alyuh still with this back and forth?? is a week now man lol

If again! is better they have a live debate or a town hall meeting

FS go lose doh, because he arguing morals and emotions not facts.  Up to now I still want to know what potential proof is available that JW broke any laws?  So far nothing but smoke and mirrors in an attempt to get people like FS hot and bothered enough to call for investigations because of the animous they hold for de teflon stutterah!

FK, firstly I am 100% sure about certain facts, but I think Bakes, myself and everyone on this forum were becoming bored with the whole debate.

Secondly, I come from a country where any sniff of scandal and wrongdoing is pounced on, investigated and published. Usually, a politician would have been politely asked to resign immediately the media grab hold of such a story. Now this may not always be fair, but the voting public have a right to know if their M.P.s are involved in dubious activities. All I have said is that this whole scenario looks suspicious. If there is a reasonable explanation, then this should be offered. Mr Warner has not offered a reasonable explanation. Not one word has been mentioned about the source of the US$1 million. Nor the missing US$100,000 (difference between the amount bin Hammam says he sent and the amount Warner says he received). Now I'm damn sure that any organisation in the world would simply issue a press release to clear things up. But CFU can't do this because they would then be admitting that money was offered. So people are making sworn affidavits concerning cash that CFU can't admit exists. If, as some officials have stated, this was a CFU grant, why doesn't the CFU come out and explain this? So it leads you to speculate and assume (always a dangerous activity) that there was money changing hands but this can't be admitted because it may appear to be bribery, the money may be from an undeclared source and the money could also have been taken out of T&T without declaration.
I don't care if it was Jack, Camps or the doubles seller in St James, someone either has to categorically deny this speculation or it should be investigated. Just saying it didn't happen is not sufficient.

That is all well and good but guess what, the pressumption of innocence exists no matter who you are.  So not because this new alliance say "we were bribed" means he has to explain to anyone what occured.  Would we like to kno, hell yeah buh dat do mean JW obligated to explain to us.  Up till now no one has offered anything that would legally have JW in the position of having offered a bribe to anyone.  Apart from that FIFA business is not T&T government business, so again he owes no explanation.  As far as banking standards go I'm willing to bet JW handles very large sums so there is nothing suspiscious about what was wired / recieved, so nothing to explain there.  Having cash has never been a crime no matter how much it is, so that by itself is not and should not be presumed to be suspiscious.  If there is an allegation loged by a source believed to be genuine then maybe it is worth investigation but until such happens why is JW expected to eplain or respond?  I am sure you have your experience in banking and much of what you say is factual as pertinent to the industry in general, but there certainly are different scales of application when using termas as irregular ad suspcious no?  Where you come from they have the power to villify simply based on rumours but it isn't like that everywhere.  JW is underhanded and grimey yes, but that has never been against the law and cannot be used to force his hand in responding to a matter that has not materialized into anything solid with regard to wrongdoing.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: dreamer on June 14, 2011, 10:43:38 AM
Plot thickens in FIFA bribery scandal
Trinidad Guardian
Published: Tue, 2011-06-14
 


At least four more Caribbean countries have admitted they were offered thousands of dollars in cash as the plot thickens into the most explosive bribery scandal in the history of FIFA. With the investigation into the bribes-for-votes sensation that led to the temporary suspensions of FIFA vice-president Jack Warner and Asian football chief Mohamed Bin Hammam about to be switched from Miami to the Bahamas, Insideworldfootball has learned that more and more federations who attended the infamous meeting on May 10 and 11—where the money was allegedly paid—have now come forward and handed it back. The countries concerned are not being named but follow last week’s frank admission by Louis Giskus, President of Suriname’s soccer association, that his FA received $40,000 (£24,000) “in $100 bills in a brown envelope” when Caribbean Football Union (CFU) members convened in Trinidad, organised by Warner.

The CFU, part of the Confederation of North, Central American and Caribbean Association Football (Concacaf), were in Trinidad being wooed by Bin Hammam who at the time was running against Sepp Blatter for the FIFA Presidency before pulling out. Warner and Bin Hammam, suspended by FIFA’s Ethics Committee pending a full inquiry, deny any allegations of wrongdoing and will learn their ultimate fate at another hearing in July. They claim they have the support of 13 Caribbean federations but the net appears to be closing in on both of them—and several others. “We all saw the story about Surinam giving the money back and my understanding is that there are at least four more,” a reliable source close to the investigation told insideworldfootball. “It could be as many as six.” The initial report to FIFA by a US law firm commissioned by Concacaf general secretary and whistleblower Chuck Blazer named four countries that had allegedly been offered $40,000 (£24,000) in cash and turned it down.

Since then both Surinam and Puerto Rico have publicly acknowledged they were offered similar inducements. “Add these new four and you have a possible ten of 25,” said the source. Amid all the turmoil, attempts by Warner’s camp to remove Blazer failed, as did initial efforts to put Lisle Austin, a staunch Warner ally, in charge of Concacaf in the interim. Austin, banned by FIFA for allegedly breaking the rules, tried to get a civil injunction allowing him to resume his duties. But FIFA officially endorsed Alfredo Hawit of Honduras as the acting head of the Confederation while at the same time calling for all the in-fighting to end. The next move would appear to be individual interviews with Caribbean nations within the next ten days, a meeting Warner says he will not attend. He insists any suggestion of bribery is totally out of order but is gaining less and less support for the alternative view that the money, claimed to have been paid by bin Hammam, was for legitimate development projects rather than to solicit votes for the 62-year-old Qatari’s campaign against Blatter.

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Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: dreamer on June 14, 2011, 11:39:11 AM
TT Police writes to Fifa
Trinidad and Tobago's Newsday
By Nalinee Seelal  
Tuesday, June 14 2011



Police Commissioner Dwayne Gibbs yesterday kept good on his promise and wrote to FIFA to solicit information regarding allegations that undeclared sums of monies, namely US currency, entered Trinidad and Tobago sometime in May.

The letter was written early yesterday on behalf of the Commissioner, and was expected to be sent to FIFA by mid-afternoon.

The letter was written to FIFA following a call by Leader of the Opposition, Dr Keith Rowley, for the police to probe allegations that large sums of US monies came into this country to be used for bribery purposes.

On Friday last, the police service said Commissioner Dwayne Gibbs was not guilty of dereliction of duty for not initiating a probe into allegations of bribery levelled against FIFA Vice-President Jack Warner. The declaration was part of a statement issued by the police service on Friday in response to calls for a police investigation into reports that an alleged sum of US$1 million was distributed to participants at a Caribbean Football Union (CFU) meeting in Port-of- Spain, and these monies may have been improperly imported into the country.

As part of its response to those calls, the police said it would write FIFA to find out whether it had information which it could use to begin any investigation or investigations as to whether any alleged criminal activity took place in this country.

Last Friday in its statement, which was issued by its public affairs unit, the police service said: “Please be informed that there is no dereliction of duty by the Commissioner of Police. The public is hereby advised to date, there has been no official report made by any member of the society, neither has there been any official of the Federation of International Football Association (FIFA) with regards to any alleged criminal conduct offered within Trinidad and Tobago by any named individual, or individuals into any alleged criminal conduct based on reports carried by the media. In these circumstances it is impracticable to commence any criminal investigation into any alleged criminal conduct, based on reports carried by the media.”

The police statement further revealed, “With respect to the alleged US$1 million, the Comptroller of Customs has jurisdiction over this matter as the Exchange Control (Import and Export) Order and the Exchange Control Act provides Customs with the authority.”

Up to yesterday the Customs and Excise had not initiated any probe on this matter.

Works and Transport Minister Jack Warner was suspended last month as FIFA vice-president by FIFA’s ethics committee after bribery allegations were levelled against him in relation to that meeting with CFU officials in Port-of-Spain. Asia Football Confederation president Mohammed bin Hamman, who also attended that meeting, was suspended on the same grounds as Warner.

However the police said, “it is our intention to write to FIFA requesting information which they may have in their possession which may afford us the opportunity of commencing any investigation/s into any alleged criminal

This was the police service’s response to calls that it investigate reports that allege that US$1 million were distributed to participants at a Caribbean Football Union (CFU) meeting in Port-of- Spain and these monies may have been improperly imported into the country.

Meanwhile, Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley said police officers have an obligation to investigate a crime if they have “reasonable cause to suspect that a crime has been, is being or may have been committed.” Rowley made this observation yesterday, 24 hours after he gave upon Commissioner of Police (CoP) Dwayne Gibbs five days to review and reverse his decision that the police will not investigate information which alleges that five days to review and reverse his decision that the police will not investigate information which alleges that US$1 million were distributed to participants at a Caribbean Football Union (CFU) meeting in Port-of-Spain and these monies may have been improperly imported into the country. Rowley said if this does not happen, the Opposition will refer the matter to the Police Service Commission.

In a statement issued yesterday by the Opposition Leader’s Office, Rowley said: “Under our Police Service Act, the first duty of a police officer is to preserve the peace and detect crime and other breaches of the law. In short, therefore at common law and under statute, the police are under a duty to the public to investigate crimes.”

Rowley explained that this duty is one in which officers necessarily have a discretion as to how much resources to devote to any particular investigation and whether to investigate it at all. Noting that this was supported by the Privy Council case of R v CoP of the Metropolis Ex p Blackburn (1968) 2 QB 118, Rowley said police officers can decide not to not to investigate or “expend resources on an investigation” if they determine that the information received is unreliable, frivolous or tenuous.

“However once an officer has reasonable cause to suspect that a crime has been, is being or may be committed, then certainly the obligation to the public to investigate arises. Failure to investigate in such a case must be for good reason and it is difficult to see what such good reason would be,” Rowley declared. He added that the decision of the police not to investigate, “must be exercised transparently, in good faith and must rational having regard to all the circumstances.”

Rowley maintained that the police’s position not to investigate this matter appears to be unjustified, given the sustained plethora of news reports in the international, regional and local media about an alleged incident of bribery which took place on the shores of TT, supported by eye witness accounts, digital photos of bundles of money and a FIFA ethics committee report that there is a case to answer.

Rowley said there could be possible breaches of Section Four of the Prevention of Corruption Act which deals with bribery of agents in the private sector; the Exchange Control Act and the Customs Act. Stating that whether or not there is sufficient evidence obtained in the course of an investigation in this matter to charge anyone was another question and not the question being dealt with here, Rowley said: ‘The question is, are the police under an obligation to investigate a case such as this.”

“The suggestion that a lack of official report or complaint means that the police cannot investigate is so ludicrous that it is bordering on dereliction of duty,” Rowley stated. He added that the police have started investigations based on media reports and the Opposition has made “a formal citizen complaint in writing.”

Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 14, 2011, 11:50:11 AM
TT Police writes to Fifa
Trinidad and Tobago's Newsday
By Nalinee Seelal  
Tuesday, June 14 2011



Police Commissioner Dwayne Gibbs yesterday kept good on his promise and wrote to FIFA to solicit information regarding allegations that undeclared sums of monies, namely US currency, entered Trinidad and Tobago sometime in May.

The letter was written early yesterday on behalf of the Commissioner, and was expected to be sent to FIFA by mid-afternoon.

The letter was written to FIFA following a call by Leader of the Opposition, Dr Keith Rowley, for the police to probe allegations that large sums of US monies came into this country to be used for bribery purposes.

On Friday last, the police service said Commissioner Dwayne Gibbs was not guilty of dereliction of duty for not initiating a probe into allegations of bribery levelled against FIFA Vice-President Jack Warner. The declaration was part of a statement issued by the police service on Friday in response to calls for a police investigation into reports that an alleged sum of US$1 million was distributed to participants at a Caribbean Football Union (CFU) meeting in Port-of- Spain, and these monies may have been improperly imported into the country.

As part of its response to those calls, the police said it would write FIFA to find out whether it had information which it could use to begin any investigation or investigations as to whether any alleged criminal activity took place in this country.

Last Friday in its statement, which was issued by its public affairs unit, the police service said: “Please be informed that there is no dereliction of duty by the Commissioner of Police. The public is hereby advised to date, there has been no official report made by any member of the society, neither has there been any official of the Federation of International Football Association (FIFA) with regards to any alleged criminal conduct offered within Trinidad and Tobago by any named individual, or individuals into any alleged criminal conduct based on reports carried by the media. In these circumstances it is impracticable to commence any criminal investigation into any alleged criminal conduct, based on reports carried by the media.”

The police statement further revealed, “With respect to the alleged US$1 million, the Comptroller of Customs has jurisdiction over this matter as the Exchange Control (Import and Export) Order and the Exchange Control Act provides Customs with the authority.”

Up to yesterday the Customs and Excise had not initiated any probe on this matter.

Works and Transport Minister Jack Warner was suspended last month as FIFA vice-president by FIFA’s ethics committee after bribery allegations were levelled against him in relation to that meeting with CFU officials in Port-of-Spain. Asia Football Confederation president Mohammed bin Hamman, who also attended that meeting, was suspended on the same grounds as Warner.

However the police said, “it is our intention to write to FIFA requesting information which they may have in their possession which may afford us the opportunity of commencing any investigation/s into any alleged criminal

This was the police service’s response to calls that it investigate reports that allege that US$1 million were distributed to participants at a Caribbean Football Union (CFU) meeting in Port-of- Spain and these monies may have been improperly imported into the country.

Meanwhile, Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley said police officers have an obligation to investigate a crime if they have “reasonable cause to suspect that a crime has been, is being or may have been committed.” Rowley made this observation yesterday, 24 hours after he gave upon Commissioner of Police (CoP) Dwayne Gibbs five days to review and reverse his decision that the police will not investigate information which alleges that five days to review and reverse his decision that the police will not investigate information which alleges that US$1 million were distributed to participants at a Caribbean Football Union (CFU) meeting in Port-of-Spain and these monies may have been improperly imported into the country. Rowley said if this does not happen, the Opposition will refer the matter to the Police Service Commission.

In a statement issued yesterday by the Opposition Leader’s Office, Rowley said: “Under our Police Service Act, the first duty of a police officer is to preserve the peace and detect crime and other breaches of the law. In short, therefore at common law and under statute, the police are under a duty to the public to investigate crimes.”

Rowley explained that this duty is one in which officers necessarily have a discretion as to how much resources to devote to any particular investigation and whether to investigate it at all. Noting that this was supported by the Privy Council case of R v CoP of the Metropolis Ex p Blackburn (1968) 2 QB 118, Rowley said police officers can decide not to not to investigate or “expend resources on an investigation” if they determine that the information received is unreliable, frivolous or tenuous.

“However once an officer has reasonable cause to suspect that a crime has been, is being or may be committed, then certainly the obligation to the public to investigate arises. Failure to investigate in such a case must be for good reason and it is difficult to see what such good reason would be,” Rowley declared. He added that the decision of the police not to investigate, “must be exercised transparently, in good faith and must rational having regard to all the circumstances.”

Rowley maintained that the police’s position not to investigate this matter appears to be unjustified, given the sustained plethora of news reports in the international, regional and local media about an alleged incident of bribery which took place on the shores of TT, supported by eye witness accounts, digital photos of bundles of money and a FIFA ethics committee report that there is a case to answer.

Rowley said there could be possible breaches of Section Four of the Prevention of Corruption Act which deals with bribery of agents in the private sector; the Exchange Control Act and the Customs Act. Stating that whether or not there is sufficient evidence obtained in the course of an investigation in this matter to charge anyone was another question and not the question being dealt with here, Rowley said: ‘The question is, are the police under an obligation to investigate a case such as this.”

“The suggestion that a lack of official report or complaint means that the police cannot investigate is so ludicrous that it is bordering on dereliction of duty,” Rowley stated. He added that the police have started investigations based on media reports and the Opposition has made “a formal citizen complaint in writing.”



Gibbs is ah smart fella.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Jah Gol on June 14, 2011, 11:55:50 AM

Rowley said there could be possible breaches of Section Four of the Prevention of Corruption Act which deals with bribery of agents in the private sector; the Exchange Control Act and the Customs Act. Stating that whether or not there is sufficient evidence obtained in the course of an investigation in this matter to charge anyone was another question and not the question being dealt with here, Rowley said: ‘The question is, are the police under an obligation to investigate a case such as this.”

This is reasonable I think.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: elan on June 14, 2011, 01:02:17 PM
the two ah alyuh still with this back and forth?? is a week now man lol

If again! is better they have a live debate or a town hall meeting

FS go lose doh, because he arguing morals and emotions not facts.  Up to now I still want to know what potential proof is available that JW broke any laws?  So far nothing but smoke and mirrors in an attempt to get people like FS hot and bothered enough to call for investigations because of the animous they hold for de teflon stutterah!

FK, firstly I am 100% sure about certain facts, but I think Bakes, myself and everyone on this forum were becoming bored with the whole debate.

Secondly, I come from a country where any sniff of scandal and wrongdoing is pounced on, investigated and published. Usually, a politician would have been politely asked to resign immediately the media grab hold of such a story. Now this may not always be fair, but the voting public have a right to know if their M.P.s are involved in dubious activities. All I have said is that this whole scenario looks suspicious. If there is a reasonable explanation, then this should be offered. Mr Warner has not offered a reasonable explanation. Not one word has been mentioned about the source of the US$1 million. Nor the missing US$100,000 (difference between the amount bin Hammam says he sent and the amount Warner says he received). Now I'm damn sure that any organisation in the world would simply issue a press release to clear things up. But CFU can't do this because they would then be admitting that money was offered. So people are making sworn affidavits concerning cash that CFU can't admit exists. If, as some officials have stated, this was a CFU grant, why doesn't the CFU come out and explain this? So it leads you to speculate and assume (always a dangerous activity) that there was money changing hands but this can't be admitted because it may appear to be bribery, the money may be from an undeclared source and the money could also have been taken out of T&T without declaration.
I don't care if it was Jack, Camps or the doubles seller in St James, someone either has to categorically deny this speculation or it should be investigated. Just saying it didn't happen is not sufficient.

Doh worry about them nah. In the states you cyah even buy a certain group of items together without setting off alarm bells, much less for a middle easterner wiring you millions of dollars just so.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 14, 2011, 01:22:37 PM
Doh worry about them nah. In the states you cyah even buy a certain group of items together without setting off alarm bells, much less for a middle easterner wiring you millions of dollars just so.

Certain groups of items like what, phosphate-rich fertilizer and blasting caps?  Please don't conflate the discussion with anti-terrorism measures.


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Ribbit thanks fuh yuh input... but try yuh best and ketch up nah.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 14, 2011, 02:11:00 PM
Doh worry about them nah. In the states you cyah even buy a certain group of items together without setting off alarm bells, much less for a middle easterner wiring you millions of dollars just so.

Certain groups of items like what, phosphate-rich fertilizer and blasting caps?  Please don't conflate the discussion with anti-terrorism measures.


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Ribbit thanks fuh yuh input... but try yuh best and ketch up nah.

Why you even studyin elan.  WDF one ha to do wit de nexx.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: elan on June 14, 2011, 02:45:43 PM
Doh worry about them nah. In the states you cyah even buy a certain group of items together without setting off alarm bells, much less for a middle easterner wiring you millions of dollars just so.

Certain groups of items like what, phosphate-rich fertilizer and blasting caps?  Please don't conflate the discussion with anti-terrorism measures.


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Ribbit thanks fuh yuh input... but try yuh best and ketch up nah.

Why you even studyin elan.  WDF one ha to do wit de nexx.

Must can't study me. Two of alyuh only focus on the most sensational part and ignore the more rational part of what I wrote. Slowly now, what I'm getting at is that things are not as they seem and therefore, it will behoove the government to actively monitor monies coming in and going out the country randomly. Especially in light of the crime situation in T&T, which can be tied in to the movement of money locally and internationally. But you can limit the scope of the discussion.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: fitzinho on June 14, 2011, 03:04:53 PM
here we go round the Mulberry bush...
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 14, 2011, 03:40:21 PM
Doh worry about them nah. In the states you cyah even buy a certain group of items together without setting off alarm bells, much less for a middle easterner wiring you millions of dollars just so.

Certain groups of items like what, phosphate-rich fertilizer and blasting caps?  Please don't conflate the discussion with anti-terrorism measures.


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Ribbit thanks fuh yuh input... but try yuh best and ketch up nah.

Why you even studyin elan.  WDF one ha to do wit de nexx.

Must can't study me. Two of alyuh only focus on the most sensational part and ignore the more rational part of what I wrote. Slowly now, what I'm getting at is that things are not as they seem and therefore, it will behoove the government to actively monitor monies coming in and going out the country randomly. Especially in light of the crime situation in T&T, which can be tied in to the movement of money locally and internationally. But you can limit the scope of the discussion.

Dude both me and BnS argument was law oriented.  My friend as an example is a broker moving hundreds of Ks sometimes, you think the standard by which his account is scrutinized is the same as a regular joe who see's less than 5/6 K in their account per month?  Same with JW, all this talk about the amounts and reporting doesn't have the same value when dealing with someone who is a millionaire and moves lots of money.  Unless JW has been tied to criminal activity the government has no basis to minitor his financial dealings.   Like I've said before some of you are letting your animous for JW cloud allyuh objectivity.  Then again some of you don't work in law related fields and will not appreciate arguments based on the merits of such.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: elan on June 14, 2011, 04:01:54 PM
Doh worry about them nah. In the states you cyah even buy a certain group of items together without setting off alarm bells, much less for a middle easterner wiring you millions of dollars just so.

Certain groups of items like what, phosphate-rich fertilizer and blasting caps?  Please don't conflate the discussion with anti-terrorism measures.


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Ribbit thanks fuh yuh input... but try yuh best and ketch up nah.

Why you even studyin elan.  WDF one ha to do wit de nexx.

Must can't study me. Two of alyuh only focus on the most sensational part and ignore the more rational part of what I wrote. Slowly now, what I'm getting at is that things are not as they seem and therefore, it will behoove the government to actively monitor monies coming in and going out the country randomly. Especially in light of the crime situation in T&T, which can be tied in to the movement of money locally and internationally. But you can limit the scope of the discussion.

Dude both me and BnS argument was law oriented.  My friend as an example is a broker moving hundreds of Ks sometimes, you think the standard by which his account is scrutinized is the same as a regular joe who see's less than 5/6 K in their account per month?  Same with JW, all this talk about the amounts and reporting doesn't have the same value when dealing with someone who is a millionaire and moves lots of money.  Unless JW has been tied to criminal activity the government has no basis to minitor his financial dealings.   Like I've said before some of you are letting your animous for JW cloud allyuh objectivity.  Then again some of you don't work in law related fields and will not appreciate arguments based on the merits of such.

Dude was suspended by an international organization, pending the outcome of an investigation of bribery/attempted bribery in Trinidad and Tobago? Is that not a case to investigate locally? You dismissed FS dead man on the side of the street, let me give you one. Your neighbors (husband and wife) next door is arguing, then you hear something LIKE a gunshot and then all goes quiet. You call the police and tell them about your suspicions, what is the next move from the police?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: FF on June 14, 2011, 04:03:29 PM

Dude both me and BnS argument was law oriented.  My friend as an example is a broker moving hundreds of Ks sometimes, you think the standard by which his account is scrutinized is the same as a regular joe who see's less than 5/6 K in their account per month?  Same with JW, all this talk about the amounts and reporting doesn't have the same value when dealing with someone who is a millionaire and moves lots of money.  Unless JW has been tied to criminal activity the government has no basis to minitor his financial dealings.   Like I've said before some of you are letting your animous for JW cloud allyuh objectivity.  Then again some of you don't work in law related fields and will not appreciate arguments based on the merits of such.

Well certain Central Banks do highly regulate and restrict currency movements in and out of the country.
India, China and South Africa come to mind. You just cannot simply send dollars in or move local currency out etc, unless you can prove the legitimacy of its use such as paying invoices or some such. You would pay a large withholding tax or face some other penalty otherwise.

However as far as I know Trinidad and Tobago is no such country and the USD is definitely not restricted in TnT.

I cannot comment on T&T tax laws or criminal laws.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: 100% Barataria on June 14, 2011, 04:13:39 PM
wonder if dis thread will surpass de current record
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: just cool on June 14, 2011, 05:03:09 PM
All who likin what going on wid this jack warner controversy have tuh also examine the possible out come, not just for T&T football but the rest of the CFU nations. most members may rejoice over jack's possible ousting as CNCF, CFU and FIFA vice pres, but never stopped to think for a minute of how it may affect us.

some may think that getting rid of jack may spell the end of our football woes and the beginning of brighter days, which may not be necessarily so. from what i recently saw of trinidad football and the society on a whole, jack may not be the worst case scenario, sad but true.

IMO there are bigger badder wolves waiting to devour T&T football from the inside out like a parasite.

as for the bribery accusations, who's to say that if jack was found guilty as charged, blatter, just to flex his muscles may not turn around and ban all of the federations involved to set an example ? (and i must say, we (CFU nations) would make excellent scape goats), it's not like the footballing world would miss us any ways....

i suppose ppl may want to rethink the outcome since it's better to stick wid the devil you know. JMHO.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Brownsugar on June 14, 2011, 06:04:29 PM
Aye, aye....look Just Cool....come back just so, just so....how yuh been boss??
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 14, 2011, 06:15:10 PM
Must can't study me. Two of alyuh only focus on the most sensational part and ignore the more rational part of what I wrote. Slowly now, what I'm getting at is that things are not as they seem and therefore, it will behoove the government to actively monitor monies coming in and going out the country randomly. Especially in light of the crime situation in T&T, which can be tied in to the movement of money locally and internationally. But you can limit the scope of the discussion.

Which was the more rational part... that because he's ah Middle Easterner the transfer should trigger scrutiny?  I think the part about dynamite and cow shit make more sense actually.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: just cool on June 14, 2011, 06:27:08 PM
Aye, aye....look Just Cool....come back just so, just so....how yuh been boss??
What's up princes. nothing nah gorn wid we football so ah lorse interest and went on hiatus from the madness.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: elan on June 14, 2011, 08:32:15 PM
Must can't study me. Two of alyuh only focus on the most sensational part and ignore the more rational part of what I wrote. Slowly now, what I'm getting at is that things are not as they seem and therefore, it will behoove the government to actively monitor monies coming in and going out the country randomly. Especially in light of the crime situation in T&T, which can be tied in to the movement of money locally and internationally. But you can limit the scope of the discussion.

Which was the more rational part... that because he's ah Middle Easterner the transfer should trigger scrutiny?  I think the part about dynamite and cow shit make more sense actually.

Yuh just being stupid now. If it eh text book yuh cyah deal with it.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 14, 2011, 09:30:46 PM
Yuh just being stupid now. If it eh text book yuh cyah deal with it.

Yuh right... a FIFA VP wires money to a another FIFA VP who just so happens to be a Government MP... but because VP #1 is Arab police should look into to... help clean up de streets nah.

I really cyah deal wid dat type ah logic.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Midknight on June 14, 2011, 09:34:49 PM
and this pissing contest being going on so long nobody ent post about Blazer getting send to the Ethics committee.
War and Peace ent have nothing on this saga... :devil:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: elan on June 14, 2011, 09:54:46 PM
Yuh just being stupid now. If it eh text book yuh cyah deal with it.

Yuh right... a FIFA VP wires money to a another FIFA VP who just so happens to be a Government MP... but because VP #1 is Arab police should look into to... help clean up de streets nah.

I really cyah deal wid dat type ah logic.

No again you being coy, you said that the police just cannot look into how the money get into the country and even if they ask JW do not have to give them any detail. You said no crime was committed and the question is how can we ascertain that if no investigation took place. Whatever yes.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 14, 2011, 10:25:16 PM
No again you being coy, you said that the police just cannot look into how the money get into the country and even if they ask JW do not have to give them any detail. You said no crime was committed and the question is how can we ascertain that if no investigation took place. Whatever yes.

You need to be clear about what yuh talking about then... doh just throw 'terrorism' into the conversation about Jack Warner and not expect to be clowned.  Even it you're bringing terrorism into it, that is an entirely different conversation from money-laundering.  I also not sure if you're talking about the US or TnT... in the US there are specially crafted laws, specifically targeting terrorism in the wake of 9-11.  The government has used these laws the past 10 yrs to do all sorts of secret monitoring of private activity that more and more the Supreme Court is ruling is illegal. 

What they have done is to subpoena and get warrants for certain groups they suspect of being tied to terrorism.  In these instances a) they're doing so legally (warrants and subpoenas); and b) those warrants and subpoenas are sought after the investigation has already begun... not as the basis for starting an investigation.  In other words, they already have evidence making them think illegal activity is afoot and they want to look further.  A court will give you a warrant on the sufficiency of that preliminary evidence.  You can't put the cart before the horse and go prying without proof as FS is suggesting.  The situation is even worse when your'e talking money-laundering because that way lower on the totem pole than terrorism so you're not going to have as much leeway.

And all of this is in the US... Trinidad ent even have laws like these on the books... how they supposed to just up and look?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: sjahrain on June 15, 2011, 04:01:17 AM
Any sightings of the Special Adviser
He has been awfully quite recently...... :devil:

And I LOVE IT SO...... ;D
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 15, 2011, 08:33:33 AM
Dude was suspended by an international organization, pending the outcome of an investigation of bribery/attempted bribery in Trinidad and Tobago? Is that not a case to investigate locally? You dismissed FS dead man on the side of the street, let me give you one. Your neighbors (husband and wife) next door is arguing, then you hear something LIKE a gunshot and then all goes quiet. You call the police and tell them about your suspicions, what is the next move from the police?

More nonsense!  FIFA is a private organization.  No matter the size and public ability to get a glimpse inside it's still private, so suspension pending bribery investigation inside a private organization is not yet a government nor police matter.  Apart from all of that you seem to be predicating your assessment on US laws which do not apply to T&T.  Unless Bin Hammam is a terrorist suspect how does where he's from even factor into the discussion?  With that kind of irresponsible rationale I will have to believe that you are ok with the concept of black men being pulled over in the US without cause simply because more black people (as propogated by many in power and the media) drive around with drugs and illegal guns.  Your example just like FS is misguided and incomparable as well. 

Consider this, me you and 10 members of this site form an organization.  We draft bylaws and rules of ethics and conduct.  I want to be head and I invite the other 10 and exclude you because you are the current head.  If I give everyone $5K US in cash so that they can vote for me in the next election, what criminal laws of T&T have I broken.  When yuh could point to the correct laws then tell me about Gibbs investigating JW.  Untill then save that emotional "I hate JW" platform that yuh trying to use as rationale with yuh incomplete understanding of how law works.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on June 15, 2011, 10:30:26 AM
Dude was suspended by an international organization, pending the outcome of an investigation of bribery/attempted bribery in Trinidad and Tobago? Is that not a case to investigate locally? You dismissed FS dead man on the side of the street, let me give you one. Your neighbors (husband and wife) next door is arguing, then you hear something LIKE a gunshot and then all goes quiet. You call the police and tell them about your suspicions, what is the next move from the police?

More nonsense!  FIFA is a private organization.  No matter the size and public ability to get a glimpse inside it's still private, so suspension pending bribery investigation inside a private organization is not yet a government nor police matter.  Apart from all of that you seem to be predicating your assessment on US laws which do not apply to T&T.  Unless Bin Hammam is a terrorist suspect how does where he's from even factor into the discussion?  With that kind of irresponsible rationale I will have to believe that you are ok with the concept of black men being pulled over in the US without cause simply because more black people (as propogated by many in power and the media) drive around with drugs and illegal guns.  Your example just like FS is misguided and incomparable as well. 

Consider this, me you and 10 members of this site form an organization.  We draft bylaws and rules of ethics and conduct.  I want to be head and I invite the other 10 and exclude you because you are the current head.  If I give everyone $5K US in cash so that they can vote for me in the next election, what criminal laws of T&T have I broken.  When yuh could point to the correct laws then tell me about Gibbs investigating JW.  Untill then save that emotional "I hate JW" platform that yuh trying to use as rationale with yuh incomplete understanding of how law works.

Well, I see your point now. A police hears from an informant that this guy called Flickin Killa has just paid out US$50k in cash (TT$300,000). Thats his business, right? No need to be a little bit suspicious, coz, after all, thats only 5-10 years salary for many Trinis. Its not like the police are here to detect suspicious behaviour or keep an eye out for criminal activity, all the police should be doing is collecting dead bodies. Guess those detectives and investigators are there just to keep numbers up!

Just so you know, that was sarcasm. You keep referring to my posts as misguided and incomparable. Well, welcome to planet earth pal. It is an offence for financial institutions not to adhere to AML legislation in USA & UK, not sure about T&T. Yes, Big Brother is watching you. Again, T&T may be different, but trust me, you start flashing round wads of cash in London and you will attract interest. Doesn't matter if you're black, white or anything in between (in fact, most financial crime is traditionally white middle class).
You're getting fixated on a Warner witch hunt, which, if you read back over the posts, does not exist. I am merely expressing my opinion that this incident should be investigated as there are INDICATIONS that laws MAY have been broken. Thats the reason you investigate...to discover if crime has been comitted. It sounds like you feel that unless you have a signed confession, police shouldn't even pull on their boots. 
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 15, 2011, 11:36:37 AM
Well, I see your point now. A police hears from an informant that this guy called Flickin Killa has just paid out US$50k in cash (TT$300,000).

Thats his business, right? No need to be a little bit suspicious, coz, after all, thats only 5-10 years salary for many Trinis. Its not like the police are here to detect suspicious behaviour or keep an eye out for criminal activity, all the police should be doing is collecting dead bodies. Guess those detectives and investigators are there just to keep numbers up!

Just so you know, that was sarcasm. You keep referring to my posts as misguided and incomparable. Well, welcome to planet earth pal. It is an offence for financial institutions not to adhere to AML legislation in USA & UK, not sure about T&T. Yes, Big Brother is watching you. Again, T&T may be different, but trust me, you start flashing round wads of cash in London and you will attract interest. Doesn't matter if you're black, white or anything in between (in fact, most financial crime is traditionally white middle class).
You're getting fixated on a Warner witch hunt, which, if you read back over the posts, does not exist. I am merely expressing my opinion that this incident should be investigated as there are INDICATIONS that laws MAY have been broken. Thats the reason you investigate...to discover if crime has been comitted. It sounds like you feel that unless you have a signed confession, police shouldn't even pull on their boots. 

So Gibbs needs to go with his gut right or maybe yours and Elan's right?  What has Gibbs done wrong so far?  I am not fixated on no witch hunt so don't diminish my offerings to some emotional hunch fella.  I am arguing about DUE PROCESS and CAUSE for action.  All you have are suspicions that are not even founded on any solid facts.  You nor I have no clue about JWs finace or his holdings and dealings.

I know your above example was an attempt at sarcasm so humor me with this because I get the feeling that we not seeing why there maybe special issues relative to this whole thing that negates some of the suspicions you believe the Police Force should be acting on.

Since we using all these incomparable examples lets add some details and questions step by step:
1. Who is the man that did it? (me as an example ok cool.  Let's imagine I have 50 cent money and his arrogance as well)
2.  So given 1 that would mean I am making let's say like 200M TT per year (arbitrary figure), does that now change the level of suspicion that would otherwise be attributed if the average Joe was handling that amount of currency?
3. What if the person I gave it too is a contractor who is building my mansion in T&T.  I gave it to him in what was believed to be the privacy of his office.  Does that not affect the level of suspiscion compared to if I was seen giving it to a local gunta?
4. Now tell me what crime am I suspected of committing thus far?
5. On what grounds do the police have a right to investigate or monitor my activities? 
6. Is it because I have cash US money?  Is that a crime, if yes do tell where in the world exactly please.
7. What if it's declared income, then what? 
8. What if I being 50 and all always have about $200K US when I travel?
9. Please advise me up to this point all that has been against the law.

Waiting to hear how incomparable this now makes it as if anything else was comparable  :devil:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Dutty on June 15, 2011, 12:20:36 PM
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Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 15, 2011, 12:39:37 PM
You're getting fixated on a Warner witch hunt, which, if you read back over the posts, does not exist. I am merely expressing my opinion that this incident should be investigated as there are INDICATIONS that laws MAY have been broken. Thats the reason you investigate...to discover if crime has been comitted. It sounds like you feel that unless you have a signed confession, police shouldn't even pull on their boots. 

What are these "INDICATIONS"... and what laws do you think "MAY" have been broken?  I've asked this over and over again in this thread and I'm still not sure I've gotten an answer.  You keep coming up with shifting justifications as to why Jack should be investigated... and I think this is why, to me at least, your desire to see an investigation seems more personal than cursory.  You claim that he 'may' have violated the Exchange Control Act's requirement to declare US cash in excess of $5,000... yet there isn't even an allegation that he brought cash into the country.... just conjecture... a guess that he 'may' have.

You next focused on the possibility that he "may" have violated anti-money laundering laws... based on nothing more than the fact that large sums were wired into an account (Jack Warner's?  CFU's?  TTFF's?... we don't know) and that Jack 'may' have withdrawn funds from that account.  Mind you, the man has several legitimate sources of large income... but he should be investigated, "if he's innocent then he should have nothing to hide", right?  Exploring this logic I even suggested you invite the police into your home for a "pre-cautionary" search whenever they feel like it.  I don't believe I got a direct response... the analogy possibly lost on you. 

You even brought up the notion that the US (and even ribbit decided to stick his nose in to state the obvious on this one) has AML laws requiring disclosure.  Maybe in the UK they go about poking their noses into people's affairs in a haphazard way, but at least in the US there are guidelines and procedures. 

According to the Bank Security Act (http://www.ffiec.gov/bsa_aml_infobase/pages_manual/OLM_015.htm) banks, bank holding companies, and their subsidiaries are required by federal regulations to file a suspicious activity report with respect to:

Quote

  • Criminal violations involving insider abuse in any amount.
  • Criminal violations aggregating $5,000 or more when a suspect can be identified.
  • Criminal violations aggregating $25,000 or more regardless of a potential suspect.
  • Transactions conducted or attempted by, at, or through the bank (or an affiliate) and aggregating $5,000 or more, if the bank or affiliate knows, suspects, or has reason to suspect that the transaction:
  • May involve potential money laundering or other illegal activity (e.g., terrorism financing).
  • Is designed to evade the BSA or its implementing regulations.
  • Has no business or apparent lawful purpose or is not the type of transaction that the particular customer would normally be expected to engage in, and the bank knows of no reasonable explanation for the transaction after examining the available facts, including the background and possible purpose of the transaction.

Pay particular attention to the bolded.  I fail to see which of these applies to the alleged transaction at issue.



Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: College on June 15, 2011, 05:27:50 PM
....after reading the first 20 pages of this thread, ah feel ah should get a credit and bypass the first year of law school ... ::)
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on June 15, 2011, 05:40:17 PM
You're getting fixated on a Warner witch hunt, which, if you read back over the posts, does not exist. I am merely expressing my opinion that this incident should be investigated as there are INDICATIONS that laws MAY have been broken. Thats the reason you investigate...to discover if crime has been comitted. It sounds like you feel that unless you have a signed confession, police shouldn't even pull on their boots. 

What are these "INDICATIONS"... and what laws do you think "MAY" have been broken?  I've asked this over and over again in this thread and I'm still not sure I've gotten an answer.  You keep coming up with shifting justifications as to why Jack should be investigated... and I think this is why, to me at least, your desire to see an investigation seems more personal than cursory.  You claim that he 'may' have violated the Exchange Control Act's requirement to declare US cash in excess of $5,000... yet there isn't even an allegation that he brought cash into the country.... just conjecture... a guess that he 'may' have.

You next focused on the possibility that he "may" have violated anti-money laundering laws... based on nothing more than the fact that large sums were wired into an account (Jack Warner's?  CFU's?  TTFF's?... we don't know) and that Jack 'may' have withdrawn funds from that account.  Mind you, the man has several legitimate sources of large income... but he should be investigated, "if he's innocent then he should have nothing to hide", right?  Exploring this logic I even suggested you invite the police into your home for a "pre-cautionary" search whenever they feel like it.  I don't believe I got a direct response... the analogy possibly lost on you. 

You even brought up the notion that the US (and even ribbit decided to stick his nose in to state the obvious on this one) has AML laws requiring disclosure.  Maybe in the UK they go about poking their noses into people's affairs in a haphazard way, but at least in the US there are guidelines and procedures. 

According to the Bank Security Act (http://www.ffiec.gov/bsa_aml_infobase/pages_manual/OLM_015.htm) banks, bank holding companies, and their subsidiaries are required by federal regulations to file a suspicious activity report with respect to:

Quote

  • Criminal violations involving insider abuse in any amount.
  • Criminal violations aggregating $5,000 or more when a suspect can be identified.
  • Criminal violations aggregating $25,000 or more regardless of a potential suspect.
  • Transactions conducted or attempted by, at, or through the bank (or an affiliate) and aggregating $5,000 or more, if the bank or affiliate knows, suspects, or has reason to suspect that the transaction:
  • May involve potential money laundering or other illegal activity (e.g., terrorism financing).
  • Is designed to evade the BSA or its implementing regulations.
  • Has no business or apparent lawful purpose or is not the type of transaction that the particular customer would normally be expected to engage in, and the bank knows of no reasonable explanation for the transaction after examining the available facts, including the background and possible purpose of the transaction.

Pay particular attention to the bolded.  I fail to see which of these applies to the alleged transaction at issue.





Hooray, at last you understand what I've been saying!!  But first, you keep erronously stating that I find it suspicious that money was wired into the country. I don't, because aside from the imbalance between bin Hammams US$360,000 and Jacks stated costs of US$260,000, I know nothing about any wired amounts. In fact, I recall that it was you who suggested the "bribe" money may have been wired. I believe, and always have believed that bin Hammam may have carried US$1 million personally into the country. Contrary to your beliefs, police are supposed to prevent and detect crime. As said countless times before, if they think US$1 million may have been illegally brought into the country, they have a duty to investigate. Why is this so hard to understand? They wouldn't be accusing anyone of anything. They would be investigating a very high profile incident.

As for the BSA act, you just proved exactly the point I was making.

 •Transactions conducted or attempted by, at, or through the bank (or an affiliate) and aggregating $5,000 or more, if the bank or affiliate knows, suspects, or has reason to suspect that the transaction:
◦May involve potential money laundering or other illegal activity (e.g., terrorism financing).
Is designed to evade the BSA or its implementing regulations.
◦Has no business or apparent lawful purpose or is not the type of transaction that the particular customer would normally be expected to engage in, and the bank knows of no reasonable explanation for the transaction after examining the available facts, including the background and possible purpose of the transaction.


I don't care if bin Hammam and Jack Warner are viewed as the twin second coming, walking around with US$1 million is neither normal or without suspicion. Please give me an example where, lets say, Flickin Killas' contractor needs US$1 million in cash. Why? There are so many reasons why this shouldn't happen (risk of robbery, tax evasion, money laundering) but what would be a legitimate reason for a legitimate businessman, or even Warner, to carry that cash around?

And yes, I have come home to find a police notice saying my house has been entered and searched by the police looking for illegal drugs and firearms. It was a shock, to be sure, but after calling the detective who led the search, and who was very polite and courteous, I accepted his reasons. And look, here I am, no harm done, no scars, no shame (except my wife wondering if they discovered her vibrator)
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 15, 2011, 06:50:41 PM

Hooray, at last you understand what I've been saying!!  But first, you keep erronously stating that I find it suspicious that money was wired into the country. I don't, because aside from the imbalance between bin Hammams US$360,000 and Jacks stated costs of US$260,000, I know nothing about any wired amounts. In fact, I recall that it was you who suggested the "bribe" money may have been wired. I believe, and always have believed that bin Hammam may have carried US$1 million personally into the country.

You "recall" that... really?  From where your active imagination?  Because I certainly never suggested that Bin Hammam brought cash in. In fact at the very start of the debate (when I posted "Brilliant") I pointed to the fact that Bin Hammam likely was in the clear since he wired the money to Jack and Jack took care of the rest.

Quote
Contrary to your beliefs, police are supposed to prevent and detect crime. As said countless times before, if they think US$1 million may have been illegally brought into the country, they have a duty to investigate. Why is this so hard to understand? They wouldn't be accusing anyone of anything. They would be investigating a very high profile incident.

Again... where did you fish this nugget from, your hindquarters?  I have no problem with police "preventing and detecting" crime... I have a problem with them employing tactics that violate my individual rights, such as prying into my affairs without reason.  There is nothing from the facts that we know that suggests $1M IN CASH was brought into the country illegally.  Just because cash was (allegedly) distributed illegally in Trinidad doesn't mean that cash was brought in illegally, especially since the alleged source of the distribution is himself a multi-millionaire.

Quote
As for the BSA act, you just proved exactly the point I was making.

 •Transactions conducted or attempted by, at, or through the bank (or an affiliate) and aggregating $5,000 or more, if the bank or affiliate knows, suspects, or has reason to suspect that the transaction:
◦May involve potential money laundering or other illegal activity (e.g., terrorism financing).
Is designed to evade the BSA or its implementing regulations.
◦Has no business or apparent lawful purpose or is not the type of transaction that the particular customer would normally be expected to engage in, and the bank knows of no reasonable explanation for the transaction after examining the available facts, including the background and possible purpose of the transaction.

Actually no... I "unproved" your insinuations by cueing you into the bolded line  " in the bank suspects, or has reason to suspect that the transaction: May involve potential money laundering or other illegal activity".  What is the illegal activity that the bank would/should be suspicious of?  I've already pointed out to you that bribery (if the allegations are to be believed) is not a crime.  What should they be suspicious of... that Jack involved in "money laundering"??  Based on what?  You keep making the same charges over and over again without offering any facts in support.  That's called conclusory  (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conclusory)reasoning.


Quote
I don't care if bin Hammam and Jack Warner are viewed as the twin second coming, walking around with US$1 million is neither normal or without suspicion. Please give me an example where, lets say, Flickin Killas' contractor needs US$1 million in cash. Why? There are so many reasons why this shouldn't happen (risk of robbery, tax evasion, money laundering) but what would be a legitimate reason for a legitimate businessman, or even Warner, to carry that cash around?

"normal" and "suspicious" are two different things.  It may not be "normal" to have that much disposable cash on hand either... or to even receive money transfers to the tune of US $400,000.  As for that being suspicious... it need not just arouse suspicion to trigger an inquiry... but specifically, suspicion of criminal activity.  For all the bank knew, he was making a withdrawal to deposit elsewhere... another bank, put in his freezer, put in his mattress... put in a hole under his house... a safe.  And none of them illegal.  You don't have to accept that as "legitimate" reasons, but they go against your assumption that the large withdrawal should automatically give rise to an inference of criminal activity.

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And yes, I have come home to find a police notice saying my house has been entered and searched by the police looking for illegal drugs and firearms. It was a shock, to be sure, but after calling the detective who led the search, and who was very polite and courteous, I accepted his reasons. And look, here I am, no harm done, no scars, no shame (except my wife wondering if they discovered her vibrator)

They entered and searched your house without a warrant?  And you were cool with that??  No wonder yuh wife need a vibrator  :devil:


jokes... jokes, I couldn't resist
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: fitzinho on June 15, 2011, 06:57:04 PM
somebody get a measuring tape for these two nah....geezz!!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 15, 2011, 07:56:06 PM
somebody get a measuring tape for these two nah....geezz!!

If you and College and whoever else doh like de conversation:

1) Report it to the moderators
2) Stop reading the thread


... it really not that hard.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: fitzinho on June 15, 2011, 08:51:23 PM
somebody get a measuring tape for these two nah....geezz!!

If you and College and whoever else doh like de conversation:

1) Report it to the moderators
2) Stop reading the thread


... it really not that hard.
True.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on June 16, 2011, 12:30:29 AM
Bakes after this comment, I'm not going to bother to reply to your stupidness anymore. You just want to argue, well thats fine, but browbeating someone into submission doesn't make you right. You contradict yourself all over and then invent things to make your case.

Example:  "But first, you keep erronously stating that I find it suspicious that money was wired into the country. I don't, because aside from the imbalance between bin Hammams US$360,000 and Jacks stated costs of US$260,000, I know nothing about any wired amounts. In fact, I recall that it was you who suggested the "bribe" money may have been wired. I believe, and always have believed that bin Hammam may have carried US$1 million personally into the country.

You "recall" that... really?  From where your active imagination?  Because I certainly never suggested that Bin Hammam brought cash in. In fact at the very start of the debate (when I posted "Brilliant") I pointed to the fact that Bin Hammam likely was in the clear since he wired the money to Jack and Jack took care of the rest."

See? I never suggested that you suggested etc.
 
"They entered and searched your house without a warrant?  And you were cool with that??  No wonder yuh wife need a vibrator "

When did I say there was no search warrent?
"And yes, I have come home to find a police notice saying my house has been entered and searched"
 Of course there was a search warrent, thats how I knew they had been in my house. Contrary to pulp fiction, the police do not smash up houses when they search, they have to ensure no damage is done where possible.

And please, please explain (in a PM if you prefer) how me being cool with police exercising their legal rights somehow causes you to comment on my sexual prowess. If you believe women only use toys when they are sexually unsatisfied I suggest you step away from your Amish religeon and enter the 21st century.

Write what you want in reply, coz I'm done with this. (Huge sigh of relief from the forum!)
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 16, 2011, 05:27:26 AM
My bad fella... no wonder we haven't been seeing eye to eye, all this time I didn't realize yuh was blind too.  Next time I'll type in larger font.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 16, 2011, 08:50:19 AM
 :rotfl:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Trini _2026 on June 16, 2011, 11:21:49 AM
FIFA Whistle-blower Blazer Under Investigation After Complaint Filed by the Jamaica Football Federation

on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 at 10:28am


Mr Blazer had prompted a probe into Mohamed bin Hammam and Jack Warner

The man who blew the whistle on alleged bribery within FIFA could find himself under investigation after a complaint from Caribbean football chiefs.


Chuck Blazer, the US' representative on football's world governing body, confirmed to Sky News he had received an inquiry from the organisation's Ethics Committee. It was prompted by a letter, obtained by Sky News, from members of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) and filed by the Jamaican Football Federation (JFF).

They allege that in a meeting in Zurich on May 30, Mr Blazer made statements containing what they called "contempt and slander" against officials from his federation.

The letter goes on to question whether Mr Blazer, who is also general secretary of Concacaf, the football federation which represents North America, Central America and the Caribbean, had violated Fifa's code of ethics.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Deeks on June 16, 2011, 02:40:45 PM
good!!!!! throw all the bums out.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Andre on June 16, 2011, 02:43:14 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?slug=reu-fifatrinidad

PORT OF SPAIN, June 16 (Reuters) - The police commissioner of Trinidad and Tobago has written to FIFA requesting information on possible criminal activity which may have taken place in the Caribbean country.

A statement from the police’s public affairs unit on Thursday said the letter from police chief Dwayne Gibbs to soccer’s global governing body was a first step to seeing if an investigation was required into the allegations of bribery in Caribbean soccer.
 
The allegations have led to the suspension of Caribbean soccer chief Jack Warner and two staff members of the Caribbean Football Union—all citizens of Trinidad and Tobago.

“Please be informed that the Commissioner of Police has dispatched a letter to the Federation International of Football Association (FIFA) requesting information they have that may assist the TTPS (Trinidad and Tobago Police Service) into commencing any investigation/s into any alleged criminal activity within our jurisdiction,” read the statement.

The statement did not explain what information Gibbs was seeking but his letter to FIFA comes after opposition leader Keith Rowley criticised the police to investigate whether money was brought into the country without being declared.

FIFA are currently investigating a meeting of the Caribbean Football Union which was held in Port of Spain on May 10-11 with Asian soccer chief Mohamed Bin Hammam.

After the meeting between the Qatari, who was at that time running against Sepp Blatter for FIFA president, some federations say they received cash gifts of $40,000 in brown envelopes.

Suriname and Puerto Rico have confirmed receiving the cash, the Bahamas has said it turned down the offer of money while others, including federations from Barbados and Jamaica, have denied receiving or being offered any such payments.

Warner, who is also Minister of Works and Transport in the Trinidad and Tobago government, and Bin Hammam have both denied any wrongdoing.

The opposition People’s National Movement has been calling for an investigation to determine whether there were possible breaches of laws which prohibit the importation of money to the country.

Large sums of cash can only be brought into Trinidad and Tobago with the permission of the Central Bank and on arrival any amount over $780 has to be declared on customs forms.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: royal on June 16, 2011, 03:52:27 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?slug=reu-fifatrinidad

PORT OF SPAIN, June 16 (Reuters) - The police commissioner of Trinidad and Tobago has written to FIFA requesting information on possible criminal activity which may have taken place in the Caribbean country.

A statement from the police’s public affairs unit on Thursday said the letter from police chief Dwayne Gibbs to soccer’s global governing body was a first step to seeing if an investigation was required into the allegations of bribery in Caribbean soccer.
 
The allegations have led to the suspension of Caribbean soccer chief Jack Warner and two staff members of the Caribbean Football Union—all citizens of Trinidad and Tobago.

“Please be informed that the Commissioner of Police has dispatched a letter to the Federation International of Football Association (FIFA) requesting information they have that may assist the TTPS (Trinidad and Tobago Police Service) into commencing any investigation/s into any alleged criminal activity within our jurisdiction,” read the statement.

The statement did not explain what information Gibbs was seeking but his letter to FIFA comes after opposition leader Keith Rowley criticised the police to investigate whether money was brought into the country without being declared.

FIFA are currently investigating a meeting of the Caribbean Football Union which was held in Port of Spain on May 10-11 with Asian soccer chief Mohamed Bin Hammam.

After the meeting between the Qatari, who was at that time running against Sepp Blatter for FIFA president, some federations say they received cash gifts of $40,000 in brown envelopes.

Suriname and Puerto Rico have confirmed receiving the cash, the Bahamas has said it turned down the offer of money while others, including federations from Barbados and Jamaica, have denied receiving or being offered any such payments.

Warner, who is also Minister of Works and Transport in the Trinidad and Tobago government, and Bin Hammam have both denied any wrongdoing.

The opposition People’s National Movement has been calling for an investigation to determine whether there were possible breaches of laws which prohibit the importation of money to the country.

Large sums of cash can only be brought into Trinidad and Tobago with the permission of the Central Bank and on arrival any amount over $780 has to be declared on customs forms.

ah taught fifa does handle dey own affairs and cyar deal with gov'ts?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: College on June 16, 2011, 04:27:15 PM
somebody get a measuring tape for these two nah....geezz!!

If you and College and whoever else doh like de conversation:

1) Report it to the moderators
2) Stop reading the thread


... it really not that hard.

easy fella ... it's really not that serious
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 17, 2011, 08:56:58 AM
ah taught fifa does handle dey own affairs and cyar deal with gov'ts?

It is a request that they can comply with or deny, they aren't obligated to do anything as it isn't a formal criminal investigation but simply an inquiry.  Further they have rules that they choose when they want to enforce with regard to officers and federations being intertwined with their respective governments, that has nothing to do with a matter of this nature.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: E-man on June 17, 2011, 12:18:43 PM
Fifa Whistleblower Blazer Accused Of Slander
Richard Conway, Sky News producer


The man who blew the whistle on alleged bribery within Fifa could find himself under investigatation after a complaint from Caribbean football chiefs.

Chuck Blazer, the US' representative on football's world governing body, confirmed to Sky News he had received an inquiry from the organisation's Ethics Committee.

It was prompted by a letter, obtained by Sky News, from members of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) and filed by the Jamaican Football Federation (JFF).

They allege that in a meeting in Zurich on May 30, Mr Blazer made statements containing what they called "contempt and slander" against officials from his federation.

The letter goes on to question whether Mr Blazer, who is also general secretary of Concacaf, the football federation which represents North America, Central America and the Caribbean, had violated Fifa's code of ethics.

I will respond to the committee fully and I am confident of a positive resolution. Just because someone is asking a question doesn't mean there's an investigation.

Mr Blazer told Sky News: "I have received an inquiry from the secretary of the Ethics Committee to respond to a complaint filed by the Jamaica Football Federation.

"I will respond to the committee fully and I am confident of a positive resolution."

Mr Blazer's allegations of bribery against Fifa members Jack Warner and Mohamed bin Hammam in May led to both men being temporarily suspended from all football activity pending a full investigation.

Mr bin Hammam, who was a rival to Sepp Blatter for the Fifa presidency, pulled out of the race just hours before facing the Ethics Committee hearing that subsequently suspended him.

Both men deny the accusations against them.

Sky News understands the letter sent by the CFU to Fifa is supported by the majority of the union's 25 members.

It alleges Mr Blazer made statements that "served to impugn the integrity, discriminate against and infringe upon the personal right of officials of Fifa members associations in attendance" at the Concacaf meeting in Zurich.

It also claims Mr Blazer told members at the Zurich meeting that all CFU member associations were under investigation over allegations they had each been paid or offered $40,000 in bribes by Mr Warner and Mr bin Hammam.

The letter quotes Mr Blazer as telling members: "What you should realise is that half of those who are speaking are under investigation… in fact, all of you are under investigation."

It goes on to say: "The statement of Mr Blazer flouts the principle of a natural or legal person being innocent before being proven guilty."

The letter also says Mr Blazer "violated the personal rights" of Captain Horace Burrell, the president of the Jamaican Football Federation, whom Blazer had blocked from becoming active vice-president of Concacaf.

It alleges Mr Blazer said: "I am afraid that Captain Burrell will not be able to be nominated since he is under investigation as to his involvement into activities that took place at the special meeting of the CFU."

The "special meeting of the CFU" is a reference to the meeting of CFU members in Trinidad on May 10 and 11, when the bribery allegations concerning Mr Warner and Mr bin Hammam are said to have been made.

The letter goes on to allege that Mr Blazer "discriminated against Capt Burrell and certain members of the Concacaf through his contemptuous and denigratory words since all the persons who were singled out were of a specific race".

As well as asking whether the actions of Mr Blazer constitute a violation of the Fifa Code of Ethics, the CFU letter asks committee chairman Claudio Sulse if "a further investigation is necessary to determine what judgement if any should be handed down to Mr Blazer based on the facts presented".

Mr Blazer told Sky News that "just because someone is asking a question doesn't mean there's an investigation", adding he was "not concerned" about the complaint.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Deeks on June 17, 2011, 02:39:18 PM
Chuck, jack,Sepp.......same khaki pants. All ah them have to go!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on June 17, 2011, 04:15:57 PM
Not sure this helps the CFU case : "discriminated against Capt Burrell and certain members of the Concacaf through his contemptuous and denigratory words since all the persons who were singled out were of a specific race".

It may be true that all were of a specific race, but thats impossible to avoid. After all, if Blazer had commented about Conmebol or UEFA the same could be said. The fact that all concerned were of Caribbean origin is kinda obvious and I feel playing the race card here is just provocative.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: royal on June 17, 2011, 05:56:40 PM
Not sure this helps the CFU case : "discriminated against Capt Burrell and certain members of the Concacaf through his contemptuous and denigratory words since all the persons who were singled out were of a specific race".

It may be true that all were of a specific race, but thats impossible to avoid. After all, if Blazer had commented about Conmebol or UEFA the same could be said. The fact that all concerned were of Caribbean origin is kinda obvious and I feel playing the race card here is just provocative.

it depends on what exactly was said. What were his choice of words
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: davyjenny1 on June 17, 2011, 07:35:35 PM
Chuck, jack,Sepp.......same khaki pants. All ah them have to go!!!!!!!

Dem went to rob a bank, Jack had all the money and didn't give them what they suppose to get after the Robery so Blazer blow the whistle on he.

Is like a Hollywood movie
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: elan on June 18, 2011, 08:59:55 PM
FIFA suspend Belize FA over government interference

FIFA – World football's governing body, FIFA, announced Friday that it had suspended the Football Federation …
– Fri Jun 17, 2:35 pm ET
PARIS (AFP) – World football's governing body, FIFA, announced Friday that it had suspended the Football Federation of Belize (FFB) with immediate effect because of "severe governmental interference".
The suspension means that the return leg of the qualifying tie for the 2014 World Cup, due to be played in Belize on June 19 between the home team and Montserrat, has been postponed.
The first game, played in Port of Spain (Trinidad and Tobago) on June 15, was won 5-2 by Belize.
FIFA said the decision followed the Belize government's informing the FFB on June 8 that it was "not authorised to represent this country in any local or international competition or in any other forum for football on behalf of the Government, People and Nation of Belize".
The Belize government, FIFA continued, said the federation had "failed to meet the requirements for registration with the Council, as the National body for the administration of football in Belize".
FIFA gave the FFB until June 30 to settle the dispute but the Belize government wrote to FIFA on June 16 saying the Belize police would "not be providing any services to the Federation with respect to the security of the visiting team and officials at the match" to be played on June 19.
"Under these circumstances, and due to the interference of the government of Belize, FIFA cannot take the responsibility of letting the match take place," FIFA said.
"The match has therefore been postponed to a new date to be confirmed, but no later than July 10, 2011, provided that the situation is back to normal regarding the FFB and the suspension has been lifted by that date.
"In the event that the match cannot take place by that date, the national "A" team of Belize will be excluded from the 2014 FIFA World Cup Brazil preliminary competition.
"The suspension will be in place until the Belize government reverses its decision. Any action taken by the government against the office-bearers of the FFB will not be recognised by FIFA."



http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110617/sp_soccer_afp/fblwc2014concacaffifablz
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: socachynee on June 20, 2011, 08:25:51 AM
Wow Jack resigns to stop Ethics proceedings  ???
came across this article

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/FIFA-vice-president-Jack-Warner-resigns-article750037.html

http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/organisation/media/newsid=1455834/index.html

As a consequence of Mr Warner’s self-determined resignation, all Ethics Committee procedures against him have been closed and the presumption of innocence is maintained.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Jah Gol on June 20, 2011, 08:31:56 AM
Wow Jack resigns to stop Ethics proceedings  ???
came across this article

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/FIFA-vice-president-Jack-Warner-resigns-article750037.html

http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/organisation/media/newsid=1455834/index.html

As a consequence of Mr Warner’s self-determined resignation, all Ethics Committee procedures against him have been closed and the presumption of innocence is maintained.
20/06/2011
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Dutty on June 20, 2011, 08:36:57 AM
Wow Jack resigns to stop Ethics proceedings  ???
came across this article

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/FIFA-vice-president-Jack-Warner-resigns-article750037.html

http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/organisation/media/newsid=1455834/index.html

As a consequence of Mr Warner’s self-determined resignation, all Ethics Committee procedures against him have been closed and the presumption of innocence is maintained.

didnt see that comming.......FIFA is real jokes oui, once yuh quit de wukk dey does pretend yuh nver do nuttn wrong

Ah well, Jack could focus he skills on plunderin de T&T treasury
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: mukumsplau on June 20, 2011, 08:38:12 AM
he must have gotten a heads up on where it was headed probably...took front before front take him...doh worry jack u still have that highway to build
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 20, 2011, 09:55:52 AM
Wow Jack resigns to stop Ethics proceedings  ???
came across this article

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/FIFA-vice-president-Jack-Warner-resigns-article750037.html

http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/organisation/media/newsid=1455834/index.html

As a consequence of Mr Warner’s self-determined resignation, all Ethics Committee procedures against him have been closed and the presumption of innocence is maintained.

didnt see that comming.......FIFA is real jokes oui, once yuh quit de wukk dey does pretend yuh nver do nuttn wrong

Ah well, Jack could focus he skills on plunderin de T&T treasury

Most businesses and even city governments do similar.  Often if evidence is overwhelming they will offer the person an opportunity to resign and end the matter.  This saves the organization from having to air it's dirty laundry and get's rid of the "problem" in 1 action.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on June 20, 2011, 10:04:03 AM
So Jack falls on his sword, and Gibbs can now say that FIFA will not release any information, so does that mean he will no longer investigate? I know we've had this marathon argument about evidence etc etc, but doesn't this look bad still? After all, you don't USUALLY resign if you're innocent.

Jack may spin the whole story and say he didn't want to continue the hearing as it was putting FIFA on the front pages for the wrong reasons, but that investigation would have found him innocent of all charges.

But we, and Gibbs, know the reality that it must have been bad for Jack to resign.

So can/will Gibbs continue the investigation? After all, as far as I was concerned, it wasn't about Jack, it was to discover whether US$1 million had been brought into the country illegally and did foreign nationals fail to declare US$40,000 when they left the country, and finally, who was the owner of the mystery phone number that could be used if there was any trouble with customs taking the money out of Trinidad.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: FF on June 20, 2011, 10:29:18 AM
If jack was found guilty he may have been forced to resign from cabinet as well..

Now he stays and everything just remains unproven allegations
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 20, 2011, 10:34:49 AM
So Jack falls on his sword, and Gibbs can now say that FIFA will not release any information, so does that mean he will no longer investigate? I know we've had this marathon argument about evidence etc etc, but doesn't this look bad still? After all, you don't USUALLY resign if you're innocent.

Jack may spin the whole story and say he didn't want to continue the hearing as it was putting FIFA on the front pages for the wrong reasons, but that investigation would have found him innocent of all charges.

But we, and Gibbs, know the reality that it must have been bad for Jack to resign.

So can/will Gibbs continue the investigation? After all, as far as I was concerned, it wasn't about Jack, it was to discover whether US$1 million had been brought into the country illegally and did foreign nationals fail to declare US$40,000 when they left the country, and finally, who was the owner of the mystery phone number that could be used if there was any trouble with customs taking the money out of Trinidad.

Looking bad is evidence of something?  If so do tell what.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on June 20, 2011, 10:39:39 AM
If jack was found guilty he may have been forced to resign from cabinet as well..

Now he stays and everything just remains unproven allegations

EXACTLY!!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on June 20, 2011, 10:57:08 AM
So Jack falls on his sword, and Gibbs can now say that FIFA will not release any information, so does that mean he will no longer investigate? I know we've had this marathon argument about evidence etc etc, but doesn't this look bad still? After all, you don't USUALLY resign if you're innocent.

Jack may spin the whole story and say he didn't want to continue the hearing as it was putting FIFA on the front pages for the wrong reasons, but that investigation would have found him innocent of all charges.

But we, and Gibbs, know the reality that it must have been bad for Jack to resign.

So can/will Gibbs continue the investigation? After all, as far as I was concerned, it wasn't about Jack, it was to discover whether US$1 million had been brought into the country illegally and did foreign nationals fail to declare US$40,000 when they left the country, and finally, who was the owner of the mystery phone number that could be used if there was any trouble with customs taking the money out of Trinidad.

Looking bad is evidence of something?  If so do tell what.

There you go again, trying to pick an argument! Of course it must have looked bad. Never in my knowledge has someone resigned from such roles if they are told they would be fully exonerated. So in your opinion, if Jack was your client, you would say if there is no evidence of wrongdoing, resign from world football?

I never said a word about evidence, I said it must look bad. Its an opinion. Get a life.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: palos on June 20, 2011, 11:17:56 AM
If jack was found guilty he may have been forced to resign from cabinet as well..

Now he stays and everything just remains unproven allegations

EXACTLY!!

It was never going to be in FIFA's best interests to have an investigation.  By disclosing the emails from the other FIFA guy, Jack showed he was willing to play hardball.

The scenario was probably something along these lines:

FIFA to Jack - You goin down

Jack - And allyuh comin wit me

FIFA - Hoss....We have you red handed.  We have you so red handed that not only will you be expelled from FIFA in shame, but you'll face criminal investigation and prosecution from International agencies, and your position in the T&T government will be untenable.  Yes, you'll take some of us with you....but not anywhere near as many as you think.  And we'll close ranks and rally as you well know we can do.

Jack - Allyuh go do dat to me?  After all I do fuh allyuh and football?

FIFA - Get off your pity pot and spare me your crocodile tears.  You're done.  However, we don't want a scandal any more than you do even though we can weather it whereas you can't. n But we'll make you a deal.  Resign from FIFA.  That way you get to continue raping your country and we're rid of you.  You can even claim nothing was proved.

Jack - Resign from FIFA?  But ah could keep CFU?

FIFA - ALL International football.  Any football that comes under our jurisdiction....which is pretty much every form of recognised football, you're out Jack.  No football.  None.  You cannot even participate in "passa passa" football.  You're done.  Toast.  Kaput!

Jack - Allyuh real fork up oui.

FIFA - Look on the bright side.  You still get to be a government minister.  If you're wise, you would heed one of your local sayings..."eat yuh biscuit and hush yuh mout".  You're done here Jack. 

Oh by the way.....you need to find your own way to the airport.  And here's the expenses for your hotel stay and flight.  We only take payment in Euros.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Jah Gol on June 20, 2011, 11:18:10 AM
By   letter dated June 17, 2011, and effective on that date - as confirmed by the   world football governing body - I resigned the positions I had long held as   FIFA Vice President, President of CONCACAF and President of the Caribbean   Football Union.
 
 
This   decision is by my own volition and self-determination; albeit it comes during   the sequel to the contentious Mohammed bin Hammam meeting in Port of Spain in   May with CFU Delegates.
 
 
I   am convinced, and I am advised by Counsel, that since my actions did not   extend beyond facilitating the meeting that gave Mr. bin Hammam an opportunity   to pursue his aborted bid for the FIFA presidency, I would be fully exonerated   by any objective arbiter.
 
 
I   have, nonetheless, arrived at the decision to withdraw from FIFA affairs in   order to spare FIFA, CONCACAF and, in   particular, CFU and its   membership, from further acrimony and divisiveness arising from this   and related issues.
 
 
I   am gratified that FIFA has acknowledged my service to international and   regional football over several decades.
 
 
It   is also a special source of satisfaction to me that during my tenure,   capacities and facilities in the Caribbean were upgraded to levels that   enabled the region to host several FIFA World Cup Finals.
 
 
I   sincerely hope that the Caribbean Football Union will continue to fight above   its weight in FIFA and CONCACAF affairs.
 
 
With   my withdrawal from service in international football, I shall, henceforth, be   concentrating exclusively on my lifelong commitment to the service of the   people of Trinidad and Tobago, currently as Chairman of the major party in our   governing coalition and as a Cabinet Minister in the Government of our   Republic.
 
 
I   shall continue to encourage the youth of the Caribbean and the world to deepen   their involvement in football, which has lifted so many young people out of   hopelessness and risk to personal achievement, while bringing glory to their   respective countries.
 
 
Respectfully   submitted
 
 
 
Jack   Warner
June 20,   2011
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on June 20, 2011, 11:37:27 AM
If jack was found guilty he may have been forced to resign from cabinet as well..

Now he stays and everything just remains unproven allegations

EXACTLY!!

It was never going to be in FIFA's best interests to have an investigation.  By disclosing the emails from the other FIFA guy, Jack showed he was willing to play hardball.

The scenario was probably something along these lines:

FIFA to Jack - You goin down

Jack - And allyuh comin wit me

FIFA - Hoss....We have you red handed.  We have you so red handed that not only will you be expelled from FIFA in shame, but you'll face criminal investigation and prosecution from International agencies, and your position in the T&T government will be untenable.  Yes, you'll take some of us with you....but not anywhere near as many as you think.  And we'll close ranks and rally as you well know we can do.

Jack - Allyuh go do dat to me?  After all I do fuh allyuh and football?

FIFA - Get off your pity pot and spare me your crocodile tears.  You're done.  However, we don't want a scandal any more than you do even though we can weather it whereas you can't. n But we'll make you a deal.  Resign from FIFA.  That way you get to continue raping your country and we're rid of you.  You can even claim nothing was proved.

Jack - Resign from FIFA?  But ah could keep CFU?

FIFA - ALL International football.  Any football that comes under our jurisdiction....which is pretty much every form of recognised football, you're out Jack.  No football.  None.  You cannot even participate in "passa passa" football.  You're done.  Toast.  Kaput!

Jack - Allyuh real fork up oui.

FIFA - Look on the bright side.  You still get to be a government minister.  If you're wise, you would heed one of your local sayings..."eat yuh biscuit and hush yuh mout".  You're done here Jack. 

Oh by the way.....you need to find your own way to the airport.  And here's the expenses for your hotel stay and flight.  We only take payment in Euros.

 :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: just cool on June 20, 2011, 11:59:37 AM
Socapro, yuh ever heard the saying, it's better for your own flees tuh bite yuh? trust me when i say jack warner was very good for CNCF and caribbean football, and if i was you i would pray that burrell or the bajan fella take over CNCF instead of that stanta claus looking dude, BC @ the end of the day, those ppl never want tuh see ah caribbean in charge of their affairs.

i feel this was ah big set up by the british and americans as revenge over the WC bid, and another thing, don't be surprised if qatar's bid is investigated and recalled then given to either england or USA.

santa claus set up jack tuh get he wuk, yuh want tuh bet he gets the nod to lead CNCF? 

now we could forget about that 4th WC spot.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 20, 2011, 12:09:24 PM

There you go again, trying to pick an argument! Of course it must have looked bad. Never in my knowledge has someone resigned from such roles if they are told they would be fully exonerated. So in your opinion, if Jack was your client, you would say if there is no evidence of wrongdoing, resign from world football?

I never said a word about evidence, I said it must look bad. Its an opinion. Get a life.

What would Gibbs use as legal justification for investigating Jack Warner if he gets nothing from FIFA regarding the matter?  Don't start taking it personal with your get a life nonsense.  You've been advocating an investigation under a miriad of unjustifyable legal positions, I just wish for once you'd make sense of it from a legal standpoint and not an emotional one.  Jack's resignation is not proof within itself that there was CRMINAL wrongdoing.  So again upon what platform would Gibbs have the right to investigate JW any further?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on June 20, 2011, 12:32:39 PM

There you go again, trying to pick an argument! Of course it must have looked bad. Never in my knowledge has someone resigned from such roles if they are told they would be fully exonerated. So in your opinion, if Jack was your client, you would say if there is no evidence of wrongdoing, resign from world football?

I never said a word about evidence, I said it must look bad. Its an opinion. Get a life.

What would Gibbs use as legal justification for investigating Jack Warner if he gets nothing from FIFA regarding the matter?  Don't start taking it personal with your get a life nonsense.  You've been advocating an investigation under a miriad of unjustifyable legal positions, I just wish for once you'd make sense of it from a legal standpoint and not an emotional one.  Jack's resignation is not proof within itself that there was CRMINAL wrongdoing.  So again upon what platform would Gibbs have the right to investigate JW any further?


Gibbs can continue his investigations but he will get no help or evidence back from FIFA!
However he is still obliged to find out and report to T&T citizens if cash was brought into and taken out from T&T illegally and who was responsible and if they should face charges for breaking T&T laws!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 20, 2011, 03:18:17 PM
Gibbs can continue his investigations but he will get no help or evidence back from FIFA!
However he is still obliged to find out and report to T&T citizens if cash was brought into and taken out from T&T illegally and who was responsible and if they should face charges for breaking T&T laws!

Based on what law, code or statute?  You doin the same nonsense fella.  Allyuh feel execution of legal process is based on whim and hunch oui.  Is there a valid legal position from which Gibbs has cause to investigate without actual evidence of wrongdoing?  Why do you believe Gibbs wrote to FIFA to request documents instead of launching a full scale investigation?  Allyuh add stuff to the legal code that wasn't there when this started so that Gibbs is unaware or something?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on June 20, 2011, 03:43:40 PM
Gibbs can continue his investigations but he will get no help or evidence back from FIFA!
However he is still obliged to find out and report to T&T citizens if cash was brought into and taken out from T&T illegally and who was responsible and if they should face charges for breaking T&T laws!

Based on what law, code or statute?  You doin the same nonsense fella.  Allyuh feel execution of legal process is based on whim and hunch oui.  Is there a valid legal position from which Gibbs has cause to investigate without actual evidence of wrongdoing?  Why do you believe Gibbs wrote to FIFA to request documents instead of launching a full scale investigation?  Allyuh add stuff to the legal code that wasn't there when this started so that Gibbs is unaware or something?

What I don't understand, not being a legal fella, is this: there have been reports in the global media that the illegal transfer of funds across borders MAY have taken place. There have been several witness statements published together with an alleged photograph. What constitutes enough suspicion to make the police investigate whether a crime has been committed?
I mean, if you had a business and you read in the papers that people witnessed other people stealing from you and there was even a photo, surely you would check this out and inform the police?

I mean, in the same scenario, if you went to the police and said here are 4 statements saying some guy stole money, you would expect the police to interview the witnesses, gather the evidence they produce and then decide whether to proceed. So why can't Gibbs do this and then report back on whether he believes a crime was committed? At no point at this stage has anybody been accused.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on June 20, 2011, 03:44:06 PM
Gibbs can continue his investigations but he will get no help or evidence back from FIFA!
However he is still obliged to find out and report to T&T citizens if cash was brought into and taken out from T&T illegally and who was responsible and if they should face charges for breaking T&T laws!

Based on what law, code or statute?  You doin the same nonsense fella.  Allyuh feel execution of legal process is based on whim and hunch oui.  Is there a valid legal position from which Gibbs has cause to investigate without actual evidence of wrongdoing?  Why do you believe Gibbs wrote to FIFA to request documents instead of launching a full scale investigation?  Allyuh add stuff to the legal code that wasn't there when this started so that Gibbs is unaware or something?

Based on what law?! Don’t we have laws in T&T governing the declaration of certain amounts of cash being brought into and taken out of the country so that the right amount of taxes are paid or am I deluded in thinking so?!

If the laws of T&T are to be respected regards declaring cash coming into &out of the country then as the Police Commissioner enforcing T&T’s laws Gibbs is obliged to investigate if the laws of T&T were broken and who broke the law if that is the case! What is so difficult to understand there!

As I understand it certain individuals have admitted to receiving large amounts of cash in brown envelopes and leaving the country with the cash and being told if you get any trouble at the airport then call a certain number and your problem will be resolved. That in itself is worth investigating if you want ordinary folks to respect the laws of our country, don’t you think?!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 20, 2011, 04:04:47 PM
What I don't understand, not being a legal fella, is this: there have been reports in the global media that the illegal transfer of funds across borders MAY have taken place. There have been several witness statements published together with an alleged photograph. What constitutes enough suspicion to make the police investigate whether a crime has been committed?
I mean, if you had a business and you read in the papers that people witnessed other people stealing from you and there was even a photo, surely you would check this out and inform the police?

I mean, in the same scenario, if you went to the police and said here are 4 statements saying some guy stole money, you would expect the police to interview the witnesses, gather the evidence they produce and then decide whether to proceed. So why can't Gibbs do this and then report back on whether he believes a crime was committed? At no point at this stage has anybody been accused.

Hoss media job is to speculate so all the reports of what May have occured is them doing there job.  There speculation however is not cause enough to launch a criminal investigation.  If a source in the bank, customs or from somewhere else with (even) anonymous details of what occured then that would be enough to initiate.  But to start an investigation based on media speculation would be irresponsible and grounds for removal.  And please stop with all these examples and questions because quite frankly they are absurd.  You using an example of someone directly telling me a CRME occured as opposed to inuendo by the media.  All you doing is attempting to avoid saying three words in response to my questions.  I DON'T KNOW!  Try it it's not so hard.  Does the picture of the money have anything that ties Jack to it?  Is there a photo with Jack handing over the envelope?  Is there secret photos of someone passing a briefcase after arriving at piarco?  What eveidence is there really?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 20, 2011, 04:17:44 PM
Based on what law?! Don’t we have laws in T&T governing the declaration of certain amounts of cash being brought into and taken out of the country so that the right amount of taxes are paid or am I deluded in thinking so?!

Is there evidence to support any assertion that these laws were broken?  Any at all?  If not then how does that factor in at this moment other than based on your suppositions and emotional agenda?

If the laws of T&T are to be respected regards declaring cash coming into &out of the country then as the Police Commissioner enforcing T&T’s laws Gibbs is obliged to investigate if the laws of T&T were broken and who broke the law if that is the case! What is so difficult to understand there!

There has to be evidence of wrong doing?  If I have a stash of cash in TnT and I give it to a family member to build a house for me am I automatically supposed to be investigated because the figure is exorbidant?  There is no law against having cash no matter what the amount and I think this is where you and Supporter seem to be getting confused.

As I understand it certain individuals have admitted to receiving large amounts of cash in brown envelopes and leaving the country with the cash and being told if you get any trouble at the airport then call a certain number and your problem will be resolved. That in itself is worth investigating if you want ordinary folks to respect the laws of our country, don’t you think?!


If they leave with it is that Jack doing wrong and breaking the laws or them?  Think about it carefully and get back to me.  There actually is something obvious that can be potentially used but because you and the next one so emotional and uninformed somebody could write it on ah sledge hammer and beat you with it and you still wont get it.  Gibbs is an officer of the law, he cannot without evidence of criminal wrongdoing launch an investigation.  Add that anything to do with what you guys are suggesting is outside of his immediate jurisdiction and must be initiated by customs and excise.  So until that point what is he investigating again?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on June 20, 2011, 04:18:35 PM
Gibbs can continue his investigations but he will get no help or evidence back from FIFA!
However he is still obliged to find out and report to T&T citizens if cash was brought into and taken out from T&T illegally and who was responsible and if they should face charges for breaking T&T laws!

Based on what law, code or statute?  You doin the same nonsense fella.  Allyuh feel execution of legal process is based on whim and hunch oui.  Is there a valid legal position from which Gibbs has cause to investigate without actual evidence of wrongdoing?  Why do you believe Gibbs wrote to FIFA to request documents instead of launching a full scale investigation?  Allyuh add stuff to the legal code that wasn't there when this started so that Gibbs is unaware or something?

What I don't understand, not being a legal fella, is this: there have been reports in the global media that the illegal transfer of funds across borders MAY have taken place. There have been several witness statements published together with an alleged photograph. What constitutes enough suspicion to make the police investigate whether a crime has been committed?
I mean, if you had a business and you read in the papers that people witnessed other people stealing from you and there was even a photo, surely you would check this out and inform the police?

I mean, in the same scenario, if you went to the police and said here are 4 statements saying some guy stole money, you would expect the police to interview the witnesses, gather the evidence they produce and then decide whether to proceed. So why can't Gibbs do this and then report back on whether he believes a crime was committed? At no point at this stage has anybody been accused.

Hoss media job is to speculate so all the reports of what May have occured is them doing there job.  There speculation however is not cause enough to launch a criminal investigation.  If a source in the bank, customs or from somewhere else with (even) anonymous details of what occured then that would be enough to initiate.  But to start an investigation based on media speculation would be irresponsible and grounds for removal.

Certain members of the CFU have admitted to being given cash in brown envelopes as gifts while in T&T and leaving the country with the cash. When they expressed concern that they may be questioned about said cash at the airport they were told don’t worry all you need do is call a certain number and you’ll be okay. Yes the media reported this story but it was not speculative story invented by the media and as a result Gibbs as the head enforcer of T&T laws is obliged to investigate if the laws of T&T were broke! If he doesn’t then no one is obliged to respect our laws simply based on the high position they hold!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 20, 2011, 04:21:00 PM
Gibbs can continue his investigations but he will get no help or evidence back from FIFA!
However he is still obliged to find out and report to T&T citizens if cash was brought into and taken out from T&T illegally and who was responsible and if they should face charges for breaking T&T laws!

Based on what law, code or statute?  You doin the same nonsense fella.  Allyuh feel execution of legal process is based on whim and hunch oui.  Is there a valid legal position from which Gibbs has cause to investigate without actual evidence of wrongdoing?  Why do you believe Gibbs wrote to FIFA to request documents instead of launching a full scale investigation?  Allyuh add stuff to the legal code that wasn't there when this started so that Gibbs is unaware or something?

What I don't understand, not being a legal fella, is this: there have been reports in the global media that the illegal transfer of funds across borders MAY have taken place. There have been several witness statements published together with an alleged photograph. What constitutes enough suspicion to make the police investigate whether a crime has been committed?
I mean, if you had a business and you read in the papers that people witnessed other people stealing from you and there was even a photo, surely you would check this out and inform the police?

I mean, in the same scenario, if you went to the police and said here are 4 statements saying some guy stole money, you would expect the police to interview the witnesses, gather the evidence they produce and then decide whether to proceed. So why can't Gibbs do this and then report back on whether he believes a crime was committed? At no point at this stage has anybody been accused.

Hoss media job is to speculate so all the reports of what May have occured is them doing there job.  There speculation however is not cause enough to launch a criminal investigation.  If a source in the bank, customs or from somewhere else with (even) anonymous details of what occured then that would be enough to initiate.  But to start an investigation based on media speculation would be irresponsible and grounds for removal.

Certain members of the CFU have admitted to being given cash in brown envelopes as gifts while in T&T and leaving the country with the cash. When they expressed concern that they may be questioned about said cash at the airport they were told don’t worry all you need do is call a certain number and you’ll be okay. Yes the media reported this story but it was not speculative story invented by the media and as a result Gibbs as the head enforcer of T&T laws is obliged to investigate if the laws of T&T were broke! If he doesn’t then no one is obliged to respect our laws simply based on the high position they hold!

But that wouldn't have been Jack breaking the law.  That would have been whoever attempting to leave with the cash and whomever in customs helping that are breaking the law.  Having knowledge of someone who can make things happen is not a crime, is it?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on June 20, 2011, 04:25:45 PM
Based on what law?! Don’t we have laws in T&T governing the declaration of certain amounts of cash being brought into and taken out of the country so that the right amount of taxes are paid or am I deluded in thinking so?!

Is there evidence to support any assertion that these laws were broken?  Any at all?  If not then how does that factor in at this moment other than based on your suppositions and emotional agenda?

If the laws of T&T are to be respected regards declaring cash coming into &out of the country then as the Police Commissioner enforcing T&T’s laws Gibbs is obliged to investigate if the laws of T&T were broken and who broke the law if that is the case! What is so difficult to understand there!

There has to be evidence of wrong doing?  If I have a stash of cash in TnT and I give it to a family member to build a house for me am I automatically supposed to be investigated because the figure is exorbidant?  There is no law against having cash no matter what the amount and I think this is where you and Supporter seem to be getting confused.

As I understand it certain individuals have admitted to receiving large amounts of cash in brown envelopes and leaving the country with the cash and being told if you get any trouble at the airport then call a certain number and your problem will be resolved. That in itself is worth investigating if you want ordinary folks to respect the laws of our country, don’t you think?!

Hoss where did you see me accuse Jack of breaking the law in this argument?
My argument is simply that Gibbs is obliged to investigate because the laws of T&T may have been broken!
If his investigation proves Jack or anyone else guilty of a crime then so be it but the laws of T&T should be respected by all!!
by all!!
If they leave with it is that Jack doing wrong and breaking the laws or them?  Think about it carefully and get back to me.  There actually is something obvious that can be potentially used but because you and the next one so emotional and uninformed somebody could write it on ah sledge hammer and beat you with it and you still wont get it.  Gibbs is an officer of the law, he cannot without evidence of criminal wrongdoing launch an investigation.  Add that anything to do with what you guys are suggesting is outside of his immediate jurisdiction and must be initiated by customs and excise.  So until that point what is he investigating again?


Hoss where did you see me accuse Jack of breaking the law in this argument?
My argument is simply hat Gibbs is obliged to investigate because the laws of T&T may have been broken! If his investigation proves Jack or anyone else guilty of a crime then so be t but the laws f T&T should be respected!!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 20, 2011, 04:46:11 PM
Certain members of the CFU have admitted to being given cash in brown envelopes as gifts while in T&T and leaving the country with the cash. When they expressed concern that they may be questioned about said cash at the airport they were told don’t worry all you need do is call a certain number and you’ll be okay. Yes the media reported this story but it was not speculative story invented by the media and as a result Gibbs as the head enforcer of T&T laws is obliged to investigate if the laws of T&T were broke! If he doesn’t then no one is obliged to respect our laws simply based on the high position they hold!

I swear I wasn't going to comment on this any further... but allyuh getting real ridiculous now.  This is the first time I hearing anything of this sort... do you have a link to this?  Not that it really matters, no one has any basis for accusing Jack of bringing cash into or out of the country illegally.  None.  Football Supporter say how there are reports in the international media that "the illegal transfer of funds across borders MAY have taken place."  This is so silly and speculative.... WHO is thought to have illegally transferred funds?  Because if it's members of the CFU accused of taking the sums out... how do you investigate that?  Ask Customs in Piarco?  They'll tell you they don't know whether it happened or not. 

Did anyone see Burrell or Austin for instance (or their delegates) sneak the cash out?  Minus an eyewitness account you have nothing.  You can't even go ask their banks anything because TnT police cannot force foreign banks to disclose information about foreign citizens.  So what's left... get the police/governments in the foreign jurisdictions to launch an investigation for you?  Satan will sooner sprout wings and play harps in Heaven before anybody put that atop their list of priorities.

Now to Jack... if he is the one who allegedly "transferred sums illegally"... on what basis?  Because he allegedly distributed large sums of cash in TnT?  There just doesn't seem any rhyme or reason to this incessant drumbeat for an investigation.  Sure, it would be nice... but where do you start?  On what basis?  Jack isn't suspected or any criminal activity... let alone money laundering, so there's no basis for using AML regulations to get into his finances... and even then, all it will tell you (if anything) is that he withdrew large sums of cash from his accounts.  If it doesn't tell you that, then you can speculate and say "aha... then he MUST have brought in the cash."  Okay... but where's the proof that HE did?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 20, 2011, 04:48:04 PM
Hoss where did you see me accuse Jack of breaking the law in this argument?
My argument is simply hat Gibbs is obliged to investigate because the laws of T&T may have been broken! If his investigation proves Jack or anyone else guilty of a crime then so be t but the laws f T&T should be respected!!


Investigate who?  Broken by whom?  See my post above.  There simply is no evidence that laws were broken.  All we have is evidence suggesting that cash was dispensed in TnT... that's really all we have here.  Other than that is a setta speculation about how the cash came in and how it left.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on June 20, 2011, 05:01:32 PM
Certain members of the CFU have admitted to being given cash in brown envelopes as gifts while in T&T and leaving the country with the cash. When they expressed concern that they may be questioned about said cash at the airport they were told don’t worry all you need do is call a certain number and you’ll be okay. Yes the media reported this story but it was not speculative story invented by the media and as a result Gibbs as the head enforcer of T&T laws is obliged to investigate if the laws of T&T were broke! If he doesn’t then no one is obliged to respect our laws simply based on the high position they hold!

I swear I wasn't going to comment on this any further... but allyuh getting real ridiculous now.  This is the first time I hearing anything of this sort... do you have a link to this?  Not that it really matters, no one has any basis for accusing Jack of bringing cash into or out of the country illegally.  None.  Football Supporter say how there are reports in the international media that "the illegal transfer of funds across borders MAY have taken place."  This is so silly and speculative.... WHO is thought to have illegally transferred funds?  Because if it's members of the CFU accused of taking the sums out... how do you investigate that?  Ask Customs in Piarco?  They'll tell you they don't know whether it happened or not. 

Did anyone see Burrell or Austin for instance (or their delegates) sneak the cash out?  Minus an eyewitness account you have nothing.  You can't even go ask their banks anything because TnT police cannot force foreign banks to disclose information about foreign citizens.  So what's left... get the police/governments in the foreign jurisdictions to launch an investigation for you?  Satan will sooner sprout wings and play harps in Heaven before anybody put that atop their list of priorities.

Now to Jack... if he is the one who allegedly "transferred sums illegally"... on what basis?  Because he allegedly distributed large sums of cash in TnT?  There just doesn't seem any rhyme or reason to this incessant drumbeat for an investigation.  Sure, it would be nice... but where do you start?  On what basis?  Jack isn't suspected or any criminal activity... let alone money laundering, so there's no basis for using AML regulations to get into his finances... and even then, all it will tell you (if anything) is that he withdrew large sums of cash from his accounts.  If it doesn't tell you that, then you can speculate and say "aha... then he MUST have brought in the cash."  Okay... but where's the proof that HE did?

Hey Bakes, I feel you mixing me up with FBS! I was never part of the illegal transfer of funds argument, that was between you and him!
My argument at this point is that despite FIFA closing the enquiry on Jack, Gibbs is still obliged to investigate regards large amounts of cash being taken out of the country by some of the CFU delegates who have admitted to accepting and taking the cash out of T&T!
Did they pay any due taxes on that money and if not why not?
In other words were the laws of T&T broken and if so who are the guilty parties.
Note here that I have not accused Jack of any wrong doing!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on June 20, 2011, 05:04:29 PM
Hoss where did you see me accuse Jack of breaking the law in this argument?
My argument is simply hat Gibbs is obliged to investigate because the laws of T&T may have been broken! If his investigation proves Jack or anyone else guilty of a crime then so be t but the laws f T&T should be respected!!


Investigate who?  Broken by whom?  See my post above.  There simply is no evidence that laws were broken.  All we have is evidence suggesting that cash was dispensed in TnT... that's really all we have here.  Other than that is a setta speculation about how the cash came in and how it left.

Some of the CFU delegates have admitted to how the cash left!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on June 20, 2011, 05:11:53 PM
Bakes/Killa  I didn't intendb to spark this up again, I was merely asking if there was sufficient reasons for Gibbs to still investigate.

The reference to providing a contact number was made by a CFU member. Its on this topic somewhere and was commented on by forumites.

And finally, please, please don't keep going on about Jack. I clearly stated that this is not about investigating Jack, its about investigating if a crime was committed by somebody. Until initial investigations take place, a) police will not be able to decide if a crime took place, b) they will not be able to determine if it is possible to bring charges and c) who to charge.

Clearly you two guys believe that either no crime was committed, or if it was, it is not provable. Thats fair enough. But I can't help believing that the 4 sworn affidavits from CFU members constitute a reason to determine if a crime was committed. I can't see why that should be a problem either.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 20, 2011, 05:14:35 PM
Some of the CFU delegates have admitted to how the cash left!

I am not mixing you up with FS... I addressed your allegation that " When (some of the CFU delegates) expressed concern that they may be questioned about said cash at the airport they were told don’t worry all you need do is call a certain number and you’ll be okay".  This is the first I'm hearing that someone with apparent pull at Customs assisted in circumventing the law.  I then addressed the point about the alleged illegal transfer of money.

As to the CFU delegates admitting they took cash out the country... then what is there to investigate?  If they took it out without declaring it (you don't pay taxes on the money from what I know) then what do you investigate?  There are only two parties you can approach... the delegates and Customs.  Customs will tell you that they don't know anything about it, which likely they won't.  If you approach the delegates they'll laugh in your face.  Imagine you in England chilling and some police somebody from Grenada call you asking yuh questions... even if innocent, you really taking the time to cooperate with that?  Let alone if yuh guilty?  What makes a Bajan or Antiguan answerable to Gibbs?  I pointed you to this discussion in my earlier post.  The admission, if so... means nothing to an investigation.

Add to the fact that none of this is a priority for Gibbs... and quite frankly, rightly so.  Not saying nothing like this should ever be investigated... but given the likely yield, this isn't worth the manpower or effort particularly considering all the other pressing concerns the police have in TnT.

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Football Supporter... you're ascribing a higher value to these 'affidavits' than really exist.  An affidavit is no more than a statement given to a notary public.  You show your ID, pay some nominal fee and sign a document before some low level functionary with a stamp.  It's not the same as standing up in court with your hand of the bible making yourself available for cross-examination. 

Besides... all the affidavit would say is that Jack Warner offered them a bribe in the amount of $40,000 US.  Where's the crime again?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: weary1969 on June 20, 2011, 05:54:04 PM
So leh we hear what Mohammed will do now. Your move Mohammed.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on June 20, 2011, 05:59:11 PM
So leh we hear what Mohammed will do now. Your move Mohammed.

Most likely he will also resign for the good of his federation but claim innocence as well and FIFA will close all investigations on him too!

We will not be free from Jack's control of our football until Camps goes!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: dreamer on June 20, 2011, 08:52:23 PM
Operation Scampito! Take the TTFF to the Financial cleaners people. Now is de time. Crossroads moment in the history of T&T football. Not that a heavenly sequel immediately awaits but transition is now imaginable to those who could not see.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on June 21, 2011, 04:13:30 PM
Operation Scampito! Take the TTFF to the Financial cleaners people. Now is de time. Crossroads moment in the history of T&T football. Not that a heavenly sequel immediately awaits but transition is now imaginable to those who could not see.

 :thumbsup:

Hey Bakes, check the news archive video below from yesterday's TV6 News and pay attention to what Rowley is saying about Gibbs continuing his investigations from 4:49 onwards! He's basically saying what I have been saying!  8)

http://www.youtube.com/v/EOkIzsWwL4o&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 21, 2011, 04:34:44 PM
Hey Bakes, check the news archive video below from yesterday's TV6 News and pay attention to what Rowley is saying about Gibbs continuing his investigations from 4:49 onwards! He's basically saying what I have been saying!  8)

Rowley didn't say anything... literally nor substantively.  He's just milking this for political mileage... everytime Jack or Kamla fart he calling for investigation, he's no different from either of them.  Everything I said earlier remains unchanged... when either of you can pinpoint where the investigation can start and how to do so then let me know.  Notice he did everything but beg FIFA to cooperate.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on June 21, 2011, 04:45:23 PM
Hey Bakes, check the news archive video below from yesterday's TV6 News and pay attention to what Rowley is saying about Gibbs continuing his investigations from 4:49 onwards! He's basically saying what I have been saying!  8)

Rowley didn't say anything... literally nor substantively.  He's just milking this for political mileage... everytime Jack or Kamla fart he calling for investigation, he's no different from either of them.  Everything I said earlier remains unchanged... when either of you can pinpoint where the investigation can start and how to do so then let me know.  Notice he did everything but beg FIFA to cooperate.

The point I'm making Bakes is there are grounds for Gibbs to continue his investigations whether you might think Gibbs will be wasting his time or not, the grounds do exist!  8)
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 21, 2011, 05:22:05 PM
The point I'm making Bakes is there are grounds for Gibbs to continue his investigations whether you might think Gibbs will be wasting his time or not, the grounds do exist!  8)


It's not about whether I think there is grounds or not, clearly Gibbs doesn't think there's a reason for him to waste his time either.  Rowley calling for investigations... into whom?  I feel like I'm talking Greek here... or maybe to a concrete wall.  Who do you and Rowley want Gibbs to investigate... the CFU officials?  I never disputed that there might be grounds to investigate them, but clearly the insinuation is that Jack Warner should be investigated.  Other than irrational calls to investigate him, no one has offered a valid reason as to why. 
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on June 21, 2011, 05:33:04 PM
The point I'm making Bakes is there are grounds for Gibbs to continue his investigations whether you might think Gibbs will be wasting his time or not, the grounds do exist!  8)

Investigations into whom?  I feel like I'm talking Greek here... or maybe to a concrete wall.  Who do you and Rowley want Gibbs to investigate... the CFU officials?  I never disputed that there might be grounds to investigate them, but clearly the insinuation is that Jack Warner should be investigated.  Other than irrational calls to investigate him, no one has offered a valid reason as to why.

I have never argued for Gibbs to investigate Jack, that’s your argument! Lets agree to disagree because I am not convinced by your argument about no grounds for an investigation!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 21, 2011, 05:39:18 PM
I have never argued for Gibbs to investigate Jack, that’s your argument! Lets agree to disagree because I am not convinced by your argument about no grounds for an investigation!

You don't have to agree with it... there are people (http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/) out there still insisting that the Earth is flat.  You have yet to indicate who you want "investigated"... there are three possibilities: Jack Warner, Bin Hammam and the CFU delegates.  If you're so convinced in your own position as to why an investigation should take place and as to whom, then I imagine that you should be able to articulate that position.  If you can't... or rather not, then fine.. we can agree to disagree and leave it at that.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on June 21, 2011, 05:48:13 PM
I have never argued for Gibbs to investigate Jack, that’s your argument! Lets agree to disagree because I am not convinced by your argument about no grounds for an investigation!

You don't have to agree with it... there are people (http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/) out there still insisting that the Earth is flat.  You have yet to indicate who you want "investigated"... there are three possibilities: Jack Warner, Bin Hammam and the CFU delegates.  If you're so convinced in your own position as to why an investigation should take place and as to whom, then I imagine that you should be able to articulate that position.  If you can't... or rather not, then fine.. we can agree to disagree and leave it at that.

I have already stated my position and will not waste time repeating myself.
The news item quoting Rowely’s position on the issue is basically summarising what I was arguing. Let’s agree to disagree on this one! I’ve already predicted that FIFA will not cooperate with Gibbs’ request for info now that Jack has resigned but we’ll soon see what transpires.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 21, 2011, 05:50:25 PM
I have already stated my position and will not waste time repeating myself.

Your entire position is that he should investigate "because the laws of TnT may have been broken."

Okay  ::)
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on June 21, 2011, 05:57:02 PM
I have already stated my position and will not waste time repeating myself.

Your entire position is that he should investigate "because the laws of TnT may have been broken."

Okay  ::)

Fact is Gibbs has already heeded Rowely's call and have stated his investigation. He's at the first stage with his request to FIFA for info on the inquiry so tehnically he's already started his investigation so why all the hot air?!
If Gibbs had nothing to investigated why would he have heeded Rowley and started one?!  ;)
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 21, 2011, 06:48:00 PM
Fact is Gibbs has already heeded Rowely's call and have stated his investigation. He's at the first stage with his request to FIFA for info on the inquiry so tehnically he's already started his investigation so why all the hot air?!
If Gibbs had nothing to investigated why would he have heeded Rowley and started one?!  ;)

To get Rowley off his (and Kamla's) back... obviously.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on June 21, 2011, 09:43:44 PM
Fact is Gibbs has already heeded Rowely's call and have stated his investigation. He's at the first stage with his request to FIFA for info on the inquiry so tehnically he's already started his investigation so why all the hot air?!
If Gibbs had nothing to investigated why would he have heeded Rowley and started one?!  ;)

To get Rowley off his (and Kamla's) back... obviously.

I hope you realise that the real reason Gibbs didn't want to start this investigation is because the results could lead to the folks who hired him (the PP government) being embarrassed by their public decision to support Jack and your argument about there's nothing to investigate is just a red herring as far as I'm concerned! With that said I hope you now see that I'm not convinced by your argument so you might as well just throw in the towel as no insults or pretty words will change my view on this issue as it currently stands! As we are aware the investigation has been started by Gibbs so why all this hot air because I agree that there is a need for an investigation! You have your opinion and I have mines, so let’s respectfully agree to disagree and leave it at that!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 21, 2011, 09:50:07 PM
I hope you realise that the real reason Gibbs didn't want to start this investigation is because the results could lead to the folks who hired him (the PP government) being embarrassed by their public decision to support Jack and your argument about there's nothing to investigate is just a red herring as far as I'm concerned! With that said I hope you now see that I'm not convinced by your argument so you might as well just throw in the towel as no insults or pretty words will change my view on this issue as it currently stands! As we are aware the investigation has been started by Gibbs so why all this hot air because I agree that there is a need for an investigation! You have your opinion and I have mines, so let’s respectfully agree to disagree and leave it at that!


What the f**k are you talking about dude?  You acting like somebody hounding you for your opinion.  I moved on since yesterday, then you came and raised it with me again today.  Rather than ignore you I responded.  We then agreed to disagree hours ago and I left this shit alone until you asked another question, and I answered.  Spare me the persecution complex  ::)
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on June 21, 2011, 10:14:21 PM
I hope you realise that the real reason Gibbs didn't want to start this investigation is because the results could lead to the folks who hired him (the PP government) being embarrassed by their public decision to support Jack and your argument about there's nothing to investigate is just a red herring as far as I'm concerned! With that said I hope you now see that I'm not convinced by your argument so you might as well just throw in the towel as no insults or pretty words will change my view on this issue as it currently stands! As we are aware the investigation has been started by Gibbs so why all this hot air because I agree that there is a need for an investigation! You have your opinion and I have mines, so let’s respectfully agree to disagree and leave it at that!


What the f**k are you talking about dude?  You acting like somebody hounding you for your opinion.  I moved on since yesterday, then you came and raised it with me again today.  Rather than ignore you I responded.  We then agreed to disagree hours ago and I left this shit alone until you asked another question, and I answered.  Spare me the persecution complex  ::)


I never asked you anything!! I simply made a comment in one of the threads about Gibbs needing to carry on his investigation and you jumped in trying to argue that I didn’t know what I was talking about so I decided to clarify what I said! I eventually realised that we were both wasting each other’s time so said let’s agree to disagree but you seem to be still at it and want to have the last word so go ahead!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on June 21, 2011, 10:23:06 PM
I never asked you anything!! I simply made a comment in one of the threads about Gibbs needing to carry on his investigation and you jumped in trying to argue that I didn’t know what I was talking about so I decided to clarify what I said! I eventually realised that we were both wasting each other’s time so said let’s agree to disagree but you seem to be still at it and want to have the last word so go ahead!



Right... and I'm sure you can point to where I said or insinuated as much. I trying so hard to get you to change yuh mind with mih insults and pretty words that you had to call attention to me above about Rowley calling for an investigation. Like I said, spare me the persecution complex.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 22, 2011, 04:52:43 AM

Fact is Gibbs has already heeded Rowely's call and have stated his investigation. He's at the first stage with his request to FIFA for info on the inquiry so tehnically he's already started his investigation so why all the hot air?!
If Gibbs had nothing to investigated why would he have heeded Rowley and started one?!  ;)

Actually you are wrong because he hasn't started an investigation.  To this point all he's done is made an inquiry into the matter.  The results of the inquiry will determine whether he has enough to launch an investigation. 

Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on June 22, 2011, 06:47:12 AM

Fact is Gibbs has already heeded Rowely's call and have stated his investigation. He's at the first stage with his request to FIFA for info on the inquiry so tehnically he's already started his investigation so why all the hot air?!
If Gibbs had nothing to investigated why would he have heeded Rowley and started one?!  ;)

Actually you are wrong because he hasn't started an investigation.  To this point all he's done is made an inquiry into the matter.  The results of the inquiry will determine whether he has enough to launch an investigation. 




As Bakes said, some people still believe the earth is flat!
To each his own yes!
I say to-may-toe & you say to-maa-toe!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Jayerson on June 22, 2011, 07:39:10 AM
ESPNsoccernet
FIFA scandal
'Overwhelming' evidence of corruption

June 22, 2011

There is ''comprehensive, convincing and overwhelming'' evidence that FIFA member Mohamed Bin Hammam tried to bribe officials during his presidential campaign and that Jack Warner was ''an accessory to corruption'', according to a secret report by FIFA's ethics committee.

(http://soccernet-assets.espn.go.com/design05/images/2011/0318/binhammam20110318_275x155.jpg)

FIFA announced on Monday that Warner had resigned as FIFA vice-president and quit all football activities, and the world governing body said they had dropped all investigations into him and that ''the presumption of innocence is maintained''.

Highlights of the report http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/929739/highlights-from-fifa-committee-report?cc=3888 (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/929739/highlights-from-fifa-committee-report?cc=3888)

But the full report of the ethics committee headed by Namibian judge Petrus Damaseb which provisionally suspended Warner and Bin Hammam on May 29 says there was ''prima facie'' evidence that bribes had been paid to officials to support Bin Hammam's campaign for the FIFA presidency, and that Warner had facilitated this.

The pair - two of the three most powerful men in world football - were suspended last month pending a full inquiry. Bin Hammam withdrew as a candidate against Sepp Blatter on the morning of his ethics committee hearing on May 29. Both he and Warner have consistently denied any wrongdoing.

The 17-page ethics committee document setting out their decision was faxed to Warner last week, on June 14, and three days later he informed FIFA he was resigning.

It concludes that there was ''compelling'' evidence that Bin Hammam and Warner arranged a special meeting of the 25 members of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) on May 10 and 11 in Trinidad and that, with their knowledge, cash gifts were handed over.

Statements from witnesses, described as ''credible and correspondent'' in the report, said they were handed brown envelopes each containing 40,000 US dollars. One of the witnesses, Fred Lunn from the Bahamas, photographed the cash before returning it.

Four witnesses stated that Warner told the CFU delegates on May 11 that the ''money for the 'gifts' allegedly distributed the day before had been apparently provided by Mr Bin Hammam'', the document states.

Warner's evidence to the May 29 hearing is described as ''mere self-serving declarations'' and that he ''failed to provide the FIFA ethics committee with a plausible explanation''.

The report states: ''The comprehensive, convincing and overwhelming evidence permits to conclude prima facie that the accused [Warner] has initiated and arranged a special meeting of the CFU member associations for Mr Bin Hammam.

''Furthermore on the occasion of this meeting it seems Mr Bin Hammam offered, at least indirectly and under the pledge of secrecy, to each of the member associations an envelope containing USD 40,000.

''The FIFA ethics committee is of the primary opinion that the accused [Warner] had knowledge of the respective payments and condoned them.

''It seems quite likely that the accused [Warner] contributed himself to the relevant actions, thereby acting as an accessory to corruption.''

The report adds: ''The committee is also of the opinion that the respective money gifts can probably only be explained if they are associated with the FIFA presidential elections of 1 June 2011.

''Therefore it appears rather compelling to consider the actions of Mr Bin Hammam constitute prima facie an act of bribery, or at least an attempt to commit bribery.

''It appears prima facie impossible, in the opinion of the FIFA ethics committee, that the accused [Warner] could have considered the money distributed... as legally or ethically proper and without any connection to the upcoming FIFA presidential election.

''Consequently, the accused would at least be considered as an accessory to the aforementioned violations.''

The ethics committee report goes on to say that the facts ''eventually lead to the primary conclusion that Mr Bin Hammam appears to have intended to influence the voting behaviour of the CFU member associations on the occasion of the FIFA presidential elections in his favour.''

The revelations contained in the secret report have provoked a call for FIFA to re-open the case against Warner.

Damian Collins, the Tory MP who is campaigning for a reform of FIFA, said: ''This makes FIFA's claim that Jack Warner can be presumed innocent absolutely incredible. I believe Jack Warner should be made to answer these charges - it's not enough just for him to resign.

''This shows it was a big error of judgement by Sepp Blatter to call off the inquiry and cover this up.

''FIFA should also confirm that Mohamed Bin Hammam should not similarly be allowed to resign in return for having the investigation dropped.''

There have been reports that Warner is entitled to around £20,000 a year as pension from FIFA and Collins also called for the organisation to state that he is not eligible for such payments.

Bin Hammam said in a statement: ''There is nothing I can say more than I deny the allegations and insist that I have not done anything wrong during the special Congress at Trinidad.''
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: royal on June 22, 2011, 07:50:53 AM
so Jackie resign and his name still getting call? FIFA say all charges drop but de media get a hold of the report that has his name floating out there for everyone to see  ???......... GUILTY   
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on June 22, 2011, 07:55:40 AM
When they are out to get you they are out to get you and there is no escape!!

Maybe Jack should hire Bakes as his new lawyer as I am not sure his current lawyer will be able to handle the media questions relating to this!  ;)

Yuh see what lying to Prince Williams is causing!?  8)
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Brownsugar on June 22, 2011, 07:59:37 AM
Again, I eh bright eh them FIFA fellas apparently brighter than me.....

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-22/fifa-report-says-compelling-evidence-on-warner-bin-hammam-in-bribe-case.html (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-22/fifa-report-says-compelling-evidence-on-warner-bin-hammam-in-bribe-case.html)

FIFA Says It Has Compelling Evidence on Jack Warner, Bin Hammam Corruption
By Tariq Panja - Jun 22, 2011 9:34 AM GMT-0400


FIFA suspended Mohamed Bin Hammam, the head of Asian soccer, and former vice-president Jack Warner because it had “compelling” evidence against them in a bribery investigation, a report into the case said.

Evidence was found that Bin Hammam tried to bribe officials to vote for him in a presidential election, and that Warner was “an accessory to corruption,” according to a report sent to Warner by FIFA’s ethics committee and seen by Bloomberg News.

Warner quit FIFA this week after almost 30 years with the Zurich-based organization before the results of a fuller investigation into him and Bin Hammam by former FBI Director Louis Freeh is complete. The men were suspended May 29 after the ethics body heard allegations that Warner arranged a meeting where Bin Hammam offered gifts of $40,000 to Caribbean officials for their votes in FIFA’s presidential election. Sepp Blatter retained the post unopposed after Bin Hammam withdrew.

“It appears rather compelling to consider that the actions of Mr. Bin Hammam constitute prima facie an act of bribery, or at least an attempt to commit bribery,” said a section of the full report that led to Bin Hammam and Warner’s suspension. There was “comprehensive, convincing and compelling evidence” that Warner “had knowledge of the respective payments and condoned them.” FIFA didn’t respond to messages seeking comment.

Bin Hammam, in a text message today, denied all the allegations against him. He failed in an appeal to lift the suspension 10 days ago.
Corruption Allegations

Warner, who’s previously denied wrongdoing, didn’t immediately reply to an e-mail seeking comment today. In an interview two days ago he said he was quitting all his posts in soccer, including heading the Concacaf regional body since 1990, because people within FIFA and Concacaf “sought to undermine me in ways that are unimaginable.” The disciplinary action against him was dropped after he resigned.

The suspensions of Warner and Bin Hammam, two of soccer’s most senior officials, came amid corruption allegations against several members of FIFA’s hierarchy.

Sponsors and partners including European soccer’s governing body UEFA have demanded FIFA take reform measures. Blatter, who was re-elected to a fourth term, announced the creation of new panels to deal with unethical behavior.

The 17-page report detailing the case against Warner was faxed to the Trinidadian on June 14, with a separate report going to Bin Hammam. It contains witness testimony from some of those present at a meeting of the Caribbean Football Union at Port of Spain’s Hyatt Regency hotel, where Warner arranged for Bin Hammam to address soccer officials in May.
Brown Envelopes

The report said witnesses from the Bahamas, Bermuda and the Turks and Caicos provided “credible and correspondent” testimony that they were handed brown envelopes containing $40,000 in four stacks of $10,000 made up of $100 bills. Fred Lunn, a soccer official in the Bahamas, photographed the cash and submitted the pictures to FIFA.

Warner provided written and oral evidence to FIFA’s ethics committee, headed by Namibian judge Petrus Damaseb, before its decision. FIFA’s report said his defense contained “mere self- serving declarations” that “failed to provide the FIFA ethics committee with a plausible explanation.”

Still, in confirming Warner’s resignation, FIFA in a statement said his “presumption of innocence is maintained” and that the 68-year-old would no longer be under investigation.



How the presumption of innocence is maintained but FIFA's own report linking him to corruption??....ah know I eh the most objective person on this issue so help mih please dear forumites??

Ah next thing, if Jack not supposed to be involved with football at all, then doesn't it follow that he can no longer be involved with local football??  So what it is I read that Om Lalla say he still in charge of CFU and is still the Special Advisor to the TTFF??

Again.....ah confused.....
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on June 22, 2011, 08:10:25 AM
Still, in confirming Warner’s resignation, FIFA in a statement said his “presumption of innocence is maintained” and that the 68-year-old would no longer be under investigation.

How the presumption of innocence is maintained but FIFA's own report linking him to corruption??....ah know I eh the most objective person on this issue so help mih please dear forumites??

Ah next thing, if Jack not supposed to be involved with football at all, then doesn't it follow that he can no longer be involved with local football??  So what it is I read that Om Lalla say he still in charge of CFU and is still the Special Advisor to the TTFF??

Again.....ah confused.....

In all seriousness I think Jack needs to sack Om Lalla and hire Bakes!!
Om Lalla is only going to help get Jack into deeper trouble with some of his reckless statements!!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: jai john on June 22, 2011, 08:13:17 AM
The 17-page ethics committee document setting out their decision was faxed to Warner last week, on June 14, and three days later he informed FIFA he was resigning....this is the statement that has me riveted to this soap.
Will warner escape unscathed ? will Blatter be able to show " new politics " ? Will the report , now public knowledge, be used to witch hunt down warner ? will warner's visa to the USA be revoked ? Will Warner's diplomatic passport be revoked ?  Will wade Mark repeat his statement that " if you google jack warner, all you will see come up is corruption ?
Will Warner prove them all wrong and sue FIFA and the T&T Minister of national security ? Tune in tomorrow ....same bat time ...same bat channel ....din a, din a , din a,  din a . din a , batman ! batman ! batman !
leh we see how good warner could bat on dis sticky wicket ...
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: FF on June 22, 2011, 08:15:13 AM
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Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on June 22, 2011, 08:27:15 AM
The 17-page ethics committee document setting out their decision was faxed to Warner last week, on June 14, and three days later he informed FIFA he was resigning....this is the statement that has me riveted to this soap.
Will warner escape unscathed ? will Blatter be able to show " new politics " ? Will the report , now public knowledge, be used to witch hunt down warner ? will warner's visa to the USA be revoked ? Will Warner's diplomatic passport be revoked ?  Will wade Mark repeat his statement that " if you google jack warner, all you will see come up is corruption ?
Will Warner prove them all wrong and sue FIFA and the T&T Minister of national security ? Tune in tomorrow ....same bat time ...same bat channel ....din a, din a , din a,  din a . din a , batman ! batman ! batman !
leh we see how good warner could bat on dis sticky wicket ...

Yes this better than any soap right now going on on prime time tv!  8)
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: D.H.W on June 22, 2011, 08:28:30 AM




How the presumption of innocence is maintained but FIFA's own report linking him to corruption??....ah know I eh the most objective person on this issue so help mih please dear forumites??

Ah next thing, if Jack not supposed to be involved with football at all, then doesn't it follow that he can no longer be involved with local football??  So what it is I read that Om Lalla say he still in charge of CFU and is still the Special Advisor to the TTFF??

Again.....ah confused.....

Jack lorse he fangs , he bite dull now
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Brownsugar on June 22, 2011, 09:03:07 AM
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FF yuh is a real clown yes boy!!!.... :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: weary1969 on June 22, 2011, 09:08:56 AM
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FF yuh is a real clown yes boy!!!.... :rotfl: :rotfl:

ENT but I glad 2 c my boi Magic
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: royal on June 22, 2011, 10:27:03 AM
all dis and Bin Hammam didn't even run.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Flex on June 22, 2011, 07:46:18 PM
Jack Warner and Mohamed Bin Hammam involved in bribery after Fifa finds 'comprehensive evidence'
By Paul Kelso (The Telegraph).


Fifa’s ethics committee has ruled that there is “comprehensive, convincing and overwhelming evidence” that Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner colluded in the payment of bribes to Caribbean football officials, according to a secret report seen by Telegraph Sport.

The ethics committee’s report, which prompted a full investigation into the allegations, found there was a “compelling” prima facie case that Bin Hammam was engaged in an act of bribery, and that Warner was “an accessory to corruption”.

The revelation of the ethics committee’s findings comes two days after Warner resigned as a Fifa vice president, which prompted the governing body to drop its investigation into him and declare that "the presumption of innocence is maintained".

In fact the findings against Warner states that there is “prima facie” evidence that bribes were paid, and concludes that it is likely that Warner and Bin Hammam were involved in an attempt to buy influence ahead of the Fifa presidential election, in which the Qatari was a candidate.

It is understood that the ethics committee’s findings were sent to Mr Warner last week, three days before he resigned from all football posts.

The ethics committee findings were compiled by Namibian judge Petrus Damuseb, who based his report on a evidence prepared by US attorneys on behalf of Fifa executive committee member Chuck Blazer, and following evidence given by Warner and Bin Hammam in personal hearings at the end of May.

Jack Warner still faces questions after resigning from all Fifa posts

Jack Warner’s retreat from the Fifa henhouse comes with investigators, led by former FBI director Louis Freeh, close to finalising their examination of bribery allegations against him and former presidential candidate Mohamed Bin Hammam.

The Freeh investigation is expected to be completed by the end of this month, and while Warner cannot face sanctions following his resignation from Fifa his role will be considered in the final report.

Warner and Bin Hammam are both still scheduled to be interviewed in Zurich in the next 10 days, along with Fifa executive committee members Worawi Makudi of Thailand and new boy V Manilal Fernando of Sri Lanka.

As disclosed by Telegraph Sport, Makudi and Fernando were at the Trinidad meeting in May at which $1 million in bribes is alleged to have been offered to Caribbean football officials.

One man who appears to have escaped the Fifa corruption bloodbath is general secretary Jerome Valcke, who has been cleared to remain in post despite saying in an email that Qatar “bought” the 2022 World Cup.

In a statement issued on Monday, three weeks after the allegation first surfaced, Fifa said there were “no pending issues” relating to Valcke and that he and president Sepp Blatter “look forward to working together in full confidence and trust in the next four-year cycle, as they have done for the past four years”.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: truetrini on June 22, 2011, 08:22:25 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jun/22/jack-warner-corruption-fifa-report


Lord Have Mercy..Jack making me a Christian.


Jack Warner was 'accessory to corruption', says leaked Fifa report
 Press Association - guardian.co.uk
Wednesday 22 June 2011


There is "comprehensive, convincing and overwhelming" evidence that Fifa's Mohamed bin Hammam tried to bribe officials during his presidential campaign and that Jack Warner was "an accessory to corruption", according to a secret report produced by Fifa's ethics committee.

Fifa announced on Monday that Warner had resigned as a vice-president and retired from all football activities, resulting in the world governing body dropping their investigations into him, with "the presumption of innocence maintained".

However, the full report of the ethics committee, which provisionally suspended Warner and Bin Hammam on 29 May, says there was "prima facie" evidence that bribes had been paid to officials to support Bin Hammam's campaign for the Fifa presidency, and that Warner had facilitated this.

Bin Hammam withdrew as a candidate against Sepp Blatter on the morning of his ethics committee hearing, but both he and Warner have consistently denied any wrongdoing.

The 17-page ethics committee document setting out their decision was faxed to Warner on 14 June, and three days later he informed Fifa he was resigning.

The report concludes that there was "compelling" evidence that Bin Hammam and Warner arranged a special meeting of the 25 members of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) on 10-11 May in Trinidad and that, with their knowledge, cash gifts were handed over.

Statements from witnesses, described as "credible and correspondent" in the report, said they were handed brown envelopes each containing $40,000 (£24,800). One of the witnesses, Fred Lunn from the Bahamas, photographed the cash before returning it.

Four witnesses stated that Warner told the CFU delegates on 11 May that the "money for the 'gifts' allegedly distributed the day before had been apparently provided by Mr Bin Hammam", the document states.

Warner's evidence to the 29 May hearing is described as "mere self-serving declarations" and that he "failed to provide the Fifa ethics committee with a plausible explanation".

The report states: "The comprehensive, convincing and overwhelming evidence permits to conclude prima facie that the accused [Warner] has initiated and arranged a special meeting of the CFU member associations for Mr Bin Hammam.

"Furthermore on the occasion of this meeting it seems Mr Bin Hammam offered, at least indirectly and under the pledge of secrecy, to each of the member associations an envelope containing $40,000.

"The Fifa ethics committee is of the primary opinion that the accused [Warner] had knowledge of the respective payments and condoned them.

"It seems quite likely that the accused [Warner] contributed himself to the relevant actions, thereby acting as an accessory to corruption."

The report adds: "The committee is also of the opinion that the respective money gifts can probably only be explained if they are associated with the Fifa presidential elections of 1 June 2011.

"Therefore it appears rather compelling to consider the actions of Mr Bin Hammam constitute prima facie an act of bribery, or at least an attempt to commit bribery.

"It appears prima facie impossible, in the opinion of the Fifa ethics committee, that the accused [Warner] could have considered the money distributed... as legally or ethically proper and without any connection to the upcoming Fifa presidential election. Consequently, the accused would at least be considered as an accessory to the aforementioned violations."

The ethics committee report goes on to say that the facts "eventually lead to the primary conclusion that Mr Bin Hammam appears to have intended to influence the voting behaviour of the CFU member associations on the occasion of the Fifa presidential elections in his favour".

The revelations contained in the secret report have provoked a call for Fifa to re-open the case against Warner.

Damian Collins, the Tory MP who is campaigning for a reform of Fifa, said: "This makes Fifa's claim that Jack Warner can be presumed innocent absolutely incredible. I believe Jack Warner should be made to answer these charges – it's not enough just for him to resign.

"This shows it was a big error of judgment by Sepp Blatter to call off the inquiry and cover this up. Fifa should also confirm that Mohamed bin Hammam should not similarly be allowed to resign in return for having the investigation dropped."

Responding to news that Warner is set to receive a generous pension from Fifa, Collins also called for the organisation to state that he is not eligible for such payments.

Bin Hammam said in a statement: "There is nothing I can say more than I deny the allegations and insist that I have not done anything wrong during the Special Congress at Trinidad."

Warner is yet to respond to the report being made public, but earlier this week maintained he would be cleared of wrongdoing.

Warner said: "I am convinced, and I am advised by counsel, that since my actions did not extend beyond facilitating the meeting that gave Mr Bin Hammam an opportunity to pursue his aborted bid for the Fifa presidency, I would be fully exonerated by any objective arbiter."
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on June 22, 2011, 08:35:24 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jun/22/jack-warner-corruption-fifa-report


Lord Have Mercy..Jack making me a Christian.

I don't think the English media is going to stop until they are able to send one of their top journalists to interview Jack in prison for a book on his life story, most likey Andrew Jennings!!  8)
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on June 22, 2011, 10:11:07 PM
The question now is: How is Kamla going to deal with this pressure. By tomorrow this will be top news in every single country. She cannot simply continue the mantra of innocent until proved guilty. The PP executive must meet to deal with this, but what can they really do? Ride the storm?

But theres more to come, maybe. The judges decision on the court case, will there be a settlement before 30th June? Will the judge order forensic audits (how can he not, when he himself said the accounts were unaccountable and now with the world watching he's kinda made a rod for his own back. How can he follow FIFA and brush this under the carpet?) Then theres the possibility of Gibbs investigating. He must request a copy of this leaked decision. Then theres Freah's investigation.

Any other govt would force Jack to resign to save any further embarrassment. But we know this ain't that easy. Jack won't want to lose all of his power, and he probably has huge leverage over all of the PP parties. I really don't know how this will play out, but for T&T I'm sure that the reputation and concerns of T&T business and citizens is way down Kamlas list of concerns right now.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Flex on June 23, 2011, 04:09:44 AM
Jack blasts FIFA leaK
...Denies he was 'accessory' to corruption
By Renuka Singh (Express).


Works Minister Jack Warner yesterday lashed out at "sections" of world football body FIFA for feeding "misleading" information to the international media in a bid to undermine his legacy and Caribbean standing in FIFA affairs.

A 17-page document from FIFA's Ethics Committee leaked to the international press alleged that FIFA had "compelling" evidence that Asian soccer chief Mohamed bin Hammam and Warner conspired to bribe voters in the organisation's presidential election before it suspended them from world soccer's governing body.

FIFA's ethics committee concluded that the allegations bin Hammam offered US$40,000 cash payments to Caribbean officials "constitute prima facie an act of bribery".

Officials from the Bahamas, Bermuda, Cayman Islands and Turks and Caicos Islands provided witness statements that were "coherent, credible and detailed," the panel decided.

A report into Warner's case, seen by several international news organisations including The Associated Press and Bloomberg said Warner was an accessory to bribery who offered "mere self-serving declarations" at a hearing last month.

The report was sent on June 14 to Warner, a 28-year veteran of FIFA's ruling executive committee who led the North, Central American and Caribbean regional body since 1990.

British media reported that parts of the document were first shown by the UK Press Association.

The ethics panel, headed by Namibian judge Petrus Damaseb, studied witness statements from officials representing four Caribbean federations who were allegedly offered brown envelopes stuffed with US$100 bills after hearing bin Hammam's election pitch on May 10 at a meeting at the Hyatt Regency (Trinidad) Hotel in Port of Spain.

Warner resigned on Monday as FIFA vice president and that of President of Concacaf and Caribbean Football Union.

The international media reported information allegedly culled from a FIFA Ethics Committee report which stated that Warner received the report on June 14 informing him of FIFA's findings that there was "comprehensive, convincing and overwhelming" evidence that he was involved in the controversial bribery scandal.

The whistleblowers said Warner told delegates that "the cash gift had been provided by Mr bin Hammam.

"The accused further stated that he had advised Mr bin Hammam to bring the cash equivalent of any gift he intended to bring to the delegates," Associated Press, stated quoting from the report.

FIFA declined to comment yesterday on the leaked report, which was first revealed by Britain's Press Association news agency.

Warner immediately responded yesterday, saying:

"It is my information that the purported "decision" document was not released by FIFA; nor was its circulation authorised by FIFA."

"As far as I was able to establish, the FIFA Ethics Committee report, which is being scurrilously circulated, summarizes the considerations on which the FIFA Ethics Committee decided on suspensions and a full hearing involving the subjects of the allegations on bid-rigging," Warner said.

Warner said it was interesting to note that investigations into the allegations were still "ongoing" and any suggestion that this was the Ethics Committee final findings was "false and misleading".

Warner said in accordance with "due process", FIFA Ethics Committee sent four copies of the preliminary investigations on May 29, one each by fax and a courier, one to his lawyer and another to the Concacaf office in New York, United States.

"The copies sent to me and my attorney could not possibly have been accessed by any scurrilous party bent on the malice manifestly intended in the anonymous leaks to the media in an investigation that is still ongoing," he noted.

Warner said he "had absolutely no doubt" that this latest development was an attempt to destroy the standing of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) and undermine its influence in FIFA affairs.

"It is now evident that there are those in a section of the FIFA fraternity who, in the face of FIFA's stated position and its voluntary recognition of my contribution to world football and by definition to FIFA, will stop at no lengths to destroy my legacy and destabilise the Caribbean region," he said.

Warner said he fully expected these "vicious attacks" to continue from people with "hidden agendas".

"I, Jack Warner, did not partake in the distribution of any cash gifts to my members," he said.

He said when he announced his decision to resign on Monday, all the procedures regarding him and the FIFA Ethics Committee was "discontinued".
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Flex on June 23, 2011, 04:10:24 AM
COP members chant 'Fire Jack' at City Hall
By Anna Ramdass (Express).


Fire Jack!

This was the chant by some members of the Congress of the People (COP) as the candidates on the leadership race focussed on the Works and Transport Minister Jack Warner at an election debate at City Hall, Port of Spain on Tuesday.

Three of the four contenders for the political leadership post — Anil Roberts, Prakash Ramadhar and Vernon De Lima were questioned on Warner's recent resignation from FIFA.

Warner and Asian football head Mohamed bin Hammam, who eventually withdrew his nomination for the post of FIFA president, were accused of offering bribes to members of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) at a meeting in Trinidad, in May, in exchange for votes. Both men were suspended by FIFA and pending an investigation by FIFA's Ethics Committee. After Warner's resignation on Monday FIFA issued a release stating the presumption of innocence on Warner's part would be maintained.

Roberts, who had previously defended Warner saying he should not step down in the face of a probe, said at the debate that he would not have resigned but stayed on to ensure that his name was cleared.

"I would have ensured that the investigation went to its complete conclusion to ensure that not only my citizens in Trinidad and Tobago but the world at large would have known that I had nothing to do with such allegations, that they were unfounded and untrue," said Roberts.

"...Clearly one must understand when allegations are made at any point in time I would prefer that they follow their full investigations to clear my name because your name is all you have," he added.

He stood his ground, however, saying, "Furthermore I think it is irresponsible to suggest that if allegations are made against anyone and they deny those allegations that they should stop serving the people until an investigation is completed because that means that their work would be thwarted by those who have mischievous intentions".

Roberts denied that Warner was financing his campaign.

De Lima said that Warner should resign as a Government Minister as his controversy was negatively impacting on the image of this country.

"The reputation of our beloved Trinidad and Tobago has been tarnished...is Trinidad and Tobago more important than Jack Warner, the answer is yes, for me it is and in my respectful view Mr Jack Warner should step aside", said De Lima.

Ramadhar, who was criticised by Warner for saying he should step down said the people will judge Warner.

"I will not be judged by Mr Warner, let's make that very clear. I will be judged by the members of the Congress of the People," said Ramadhar.

He said he stands by the position of the COP, "Our view is the standard that has been set is that anyone, including myself, anybody in public life must step aside to allow an investigation to go on.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Deeks on June 23, 2011, 06:42:42 AM
Bahamas, Bermuda, Cayman Islands and Turks and Caicos Islands, PR and DR will be the dissenters in the future CFU!!!!!! Possibly Suriname.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 23, 2011, 08:44:45 AM
Bahamas, Bermuda, Cayman Islands and Turks and Caicos Islands, PR and DR will be the dissenters in the future CFU!!!!!! Possibly Suriname.

I expecting dat since dis whole ting start.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: pardners on June 23, 2011, 09:34:58 AM
Bahamas, Bermuda, Cayman Islands and Turks and Caicos Islands, PR and DR will be the dissenters in the future CFU!!!!!! Possibly Suriname.

I expecting dat since dis whole ting start.

That eh no big thing because them ent no world-beaters anyway.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 23, 2011, 11:31:26 AM
Bahamas, Bermuda, Cayman Islands and Turks and Caicos Islands, PR and DR will be the dissenters in the future CFU!!!!!! Possibly Suriname.

I expecting dat since dis whole ting start.

That eh no big thing because them ent no world-beaters anyway.

Yeah buh if Blazer get een, dey go be tryin to shake loose a few more so that he can do the same thing Jack use to do in flexing his voting muscle.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: rotatopoti3 on June 23, 2011, 12:27:18 PM
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/video?video=channels/339821/1385038&cc=4716
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on June 23, 2011, 12:37:15 PM
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/video?video=channels/339821/1385038&cc=4716

Nice video link! And nice balanced input from Shaka!

I think everyone needs to see this video, especially my good friend Bakes!!  ;)
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Brownsugar on June 23, 2011, 05:10:02 PM
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/video?video=channels/339821/1385038&cc=4716

Thanks!!   :beermug:  I tried to watch this while I was in Bim but the volume was giving trouble on this channel that day....
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Jah Gol on June 23, 2011, 05:30:37 PM
Funny how our copy and paste media didn't copy and paste this.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on June 23, 2011, 05:33:43 PM
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/video?video=channels/339821/1385038&cc=4716

Thanks!!   :beermug:  I tried to watch this while I was in Bim but the volume was giving trouble on this channel that day....

Browns, you was in Bim? You mean bin? bin Hammam was in you? You was in bed with bin Hammam? Ah confused.  ??? You are the T&T version of Nikita and you slept with bin Hammam to get some pillow talk on Jack? Yuh real wanna see this man gone!! :rotfl:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Jah Gol on June 23, 2011, 05:34:22 PM
embarrassing,embarrassing,embarrassing

The whole world seeing it.

(http://www.prlog.org/10476464-mickey-mouse-party-supplies-and-ideas-for-kids-birthday-party.jpg)country
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: College on June 23, 2011, 05:35:18 PM
gotta love Tommy
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: College on June 23, 2011, 05:36:13 PM
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/video?video=channels/339821/1385038&cc=4716

Thanks!!   :beermug:  I tried to watch this while I was in Bim but the volume was giving trouble on this channel that day....

Browns, you was in Bim? You mean bin? bin Hammam was in you? You was in bed with bin Hammam? Ah confused.  ??? You are the T&T version of Nikita and you slept with bin Hammam to get some pillow talk on Jack? Yuh real wanna see this man gone!! :rotfl:

just so....      pop corn material ... :devil:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Brownsugar on June 23, 2011, 05:40:00 PM
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/video?video=channels/339821/1385038&cc=4716

Thanks!!   :beermug:  I tried to watch this while I was in Bim but the volume was giving trouble on this channel that day....

Browns, you was in Bim? You mean bin? bin Hammam was in you? You was in bed with bin Hammam? Ah confused.  ??? You are the T&T version of Nikita and you slept with bin Hammam to get some pillow talk on Jack? Yuh real wanna see this man gone!! :rotfl:

Ahem, Bim = Barbados.....just so we clear....
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Brownsugar on June 23, 2011, 05:41:53 PM
embarrassing,embarrassing,embarrassing

The whole world seeing it.

(http://www.prlog.org/10476464-mickey-mouse-party-supplies-and-ideas-for-kids-birthday-party.jpg)country

 :-[ :-[ :-[  :'( :'(

Not according to Jack's lackeys though.....he is still innocent till proven guilty.  Yuh eh believe mih??  Ask Anil and Kams....well no not Kams, give she till next week when we know for sure the huzzy out the hospital....
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: davyjenny1 on June 24, 2011, 12:08:20 AM
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/video?video=channels/339821/1385038&cc=4716

Thanks!!   :beermug:  I tried to watch this while I was in Bim but the volume was giving trouble on this channel that day....

Browns, you was in Bim? You mean bin? bin Hammam was in you? You was in bed with bin Hammam? Ah confused.  ??? You are the T&T version of Nikita and you slept with bin Hammam to get some pillow talk on Jack? Yuh real wanna see this man gone!! :rotfl:

Them fellas on here does get dong real deep boi!!. This site is like no other, it is the best place for some real sh*t talk at times. Socawarriors.net need a star on the Hollywood walk of fame oye!!!!!!!!!  ???
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: weary1969 on June 24, 2011, 08:01:37 AM
embarrassing,embarrassing,embarrassing

The whole world seeing it.

(http://www.prlog.org/10476464-mickey-mouse-party-supplies-and-ideas-for-kids-birthday-party.jpg)country

Doh use meh boi Mickey use Bozo d clown instead.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Flex on June 27, 2011, 04:22:11 AM
The 40 gran.....

(http://www.transparencyinsport.org/Wacky_Whacked_Warner/Images-wacky_whacked_warner/3-brown-envelope-full-of-cash.jpg)
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: College on June 27, 2011, 04:46:02 PM
The 40 gran.....

(http://www.transparencyinsport.org/Wacky_Whacked_Warner/Images-wacky_whacked_warner/3-brown-envelope-full-of-cash.jpg)

cyah make out the name on the envelope .... looks like Bermuda?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: dreamer on June 28, 2011, 09:28:01 PM
Quiet before de storm.
Stay tuned for Thursday June 30th.
Open de books for de judge. All now, is only shred dat Scamps and Rodent shredding
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: dreamer on June 29, 2011, 09:37:13 PM
FIFA tells Gibbs wait till bribery probe ends
By NALINEE SEELAL
Thursday, June 30 2011
Newsday



Eighteen days after writing an official letter to international football body FIFA seeking information regarding allegations that undeclared sums of US currency entered Trinidad and Tobago (TT) sometime in May, Police Commissioner Dwayne Gibbs yesterday received a response to his letter.

Newsday understands that in an email response to Gibbs, FIFA stated it could not reveal any information on the allegations because FIFA’s Ethics Committee was still in the process of receiving key information and it could not prejudice the probe by revealing any details.

According to the letter, FIFA claimed it was bound by certain laws which has to be adhered to, and pending the outcome of the probe, which is centred around former FIFA presidential candidate Mohamed bin Hammam, FIFA may consider sending information to the TT Police Service.

FIFA is probing bribery allegations against bin Hammam, the suspended Asian Football Confederation president, stemming from a meeting of Caribbean Football Union officials at the Hyatt Regency, Port-of-Spain last May. The claims are bribes were paid for CFU votes for his candidacy for FIFA president, which he withdrew from when suspended, which cleared the way for Sepp Blatter to be re-elected unopposed.

Works Minister Jack Warner had been suspended as FIFA vice-president over the claims pending an investigation but resigned from international football earlier this month, which led FIFA to declare that he was no longer the subject of any investigation, adding Warner was presumed to be innocent.

Attempts by Newsday to reach Gibbs proved unsuccessful yesterday, since he was reported to be in several meetings.

However, sources revealed Gibbs has taken a decision to await further information from FIFA before making public statements on whether officers will be mandated to carry out a probe on the allegations.

Senior officers of the TT Customs and Excise Division also confirmed that no probe into the FIFA allegations is taking place at this time.

Gibbs sent FIFA a letter on June 12, following a call by Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley for the police to probe allegations that large sums of US currency were brought into the country in relation to the bribery claims.

Earlier this month, the Police Service said Gibbs was not guilty of dereliction of duty for not initiating a probe into the bribery allegations and indicated FIFA would be written about whether it had information on any alleged illegal activity in this country.

Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on June 30, 2011, 06:54:13 AM
Interesting that an organisation can refuse to supply information to a police service where a possible violation took place.
Bakes, is this really a law as FIFA suggest?
I can understand FIFA requesting details are not disclosed to the public, but surely a nations laws trump a private organisations rules & regs?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 30, 2011, 09:57:56 AM
Interesting that an organisation can refuse to supply information to a police service where a possible violation took place.
Bakes, is this really a law as FIFA suggest?
I can understand FIFA requesting details are not disclosed to the public, but surely a nations laws trump a private organisations rules & regs?

No they don't!!  The law enforcement of TnT has no jurisdiction over FIFA.  If FIFA were based in T&T then they could use the power of the AGs office to subpoena documents but an organization based in Switzerland?  If FIFA turn an say boy Gibbs f**k you nah boy, he cah even threaten them with anything.  Sure Gibbs can go all out and investigate but he have to weigh whether he'll be wasting resources chasing something he doesn't have evidence enough to prove nor the the jurisdiction to aquire evidence from parties that may know information in other sovereign territories.  Daz why he launch a preliminary inquiry an has ignored all the calls for an all out investigation.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on June 30, 2011, 07:32:08 PM
Interesting that an organisation can refuse to supply information to a police service where a possible violation took place.
Bakes, is this really a law as FIFA suggest?
I can understand FIFA requesting details are not disclosed to the public, but surely a nations laws trump a private organisations rules & regs?

No they don't!!  The law enforcement of TnT has no jurisdiction over FIFA.  If FIFA were based in T&T then they could use the power of the AGs office to subpoena documents but an organization based in Switzerland?  If FIFA turn an say boy Gibbs f**k you nah boy, he cah even threaten them with anything.  Sure Gibbs can go all out and investigate but he have to weigh whether he'll be wasting resources chasing something he doesn't have evidence enough to prove nor the the jurisdiction to aquire evidence from parties that may know information in other sovereign territories.  Daz why he launch a preliminary inquiry an has ignored all the calls for an all out investigation.

I learning a lot here!! What you say makes sense but I'm not sure how this occurs. I mean, TTFF are sanctioned by FIFA and act as their representatives via CONCACAF. They are submissive to FIFA through CONCACAF. So isn't it like, say, if the local Burger King manager broke a law in T&T, and the head office in USA had evidence, they wouldn't have to tell Gibbs if he asked? I mean, if Burger King (USA) want to sell franchises in T&T, surely they must agree that they would not conspire to defeat the laws of that country?

I know that may sound confusing, but I'm sure you get my drift. I didn't realise organisations could just ignore the laws of countries in which their people operate.   
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on June 30, 2011, 07:51:55 PM
Interesting that an organisation can refuse to supply information to a police service where a possible violation took place.
Bakes, is this really a law as FIFA suggest?
I can understand FIFA requesting details are not disclosed to the public, but surely a nations laws trump a private organisations rules & regs?

No they don't!!  The law enforcement of TnT has no jurisdiction over FIFA.  If FIFA were based in T&T then they could use the power of the AGs office to subpoena documents but an organization based in Switzerland?  If FIFA turn an say boy Gibbs f**k you nah boy, he cah even threaten them with anything.  Sure Gibbs can go all out and investigate but he have to weigh whether he'll be wasting resources chasing something he doesn't have evidence enough to prove nor the the jurisdiction to aquire evidence from parties that may know information in other sovereign territories.  Daz why he launch a preliminary inquiry an has ignored all the calls for an all out investigation.

I learning a lot here!! What you say makes sense but I'm not sure how this occurs. I mean, TTFF are sanctioned by FIFA and act as their representatives via CONCACAF. They are submissive to FIFA through CONCACAF. So isn't it like, say, if the local Burger King manager broke a law in T&T, and the head office in USA had evidence, they wouldn't have to tell Gibbs if he asked? I mean, if Burger King (USA) want to sell franchises in T&T, surely they must agree that they would not conspire to defeat the laws of that country?

I know that may sound confusing, but I'm sure you get my drift. I didn't realise organisations could just ignore the laws of countries in which their people operate.   

Respectable transparent & accountable organsations like Burger King & KFC do but crooked mafia style organisations like FIFA and our very own TTFF don't!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: dreamer on July 05, 2011, 07:48:29 PM
British MPs accuse Fifa, Blatter of cover-up
The Dominion Post  
MIKE COLLETT

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/sport/football/5238503/British-MPs-accuse-Fifa-Blatter-of-cover-up



A government inquiry into corruption allegations surrounding World Cup bids has accused Fifa of trying to brush aside the evidence and has questioned president Sepp Blatter's commitment to reforming the organisation.

The 31-page report, issued by a Commons Select Committee, has called for Fifa to "commission a full, urgent and independent investigation" into the allegations surrounding the bids for the 2018 and 2022 World Cups.

It also says it finds Fifa's decision to drop investigations into alleged wrongdoing by Jack Warner of Trinidad & Tobago, who resigned from Fifa's executive committee last month after 28 years rather than face corruption charges, as "extraordinary."

Among a number of conclusions, the report states: "We were appalled by the allegations of corruption made against members of the Fifa Executive Committee during the course of our inquiry.

"Although they have been challenged in other evidence, they are sufficiently serious for Fifa to commission a full, urgent and independent investigation and for the outcome to be made public.

"Instead, Fifa has given every impression of wishing to sweep all allegations of misconduct under the carpet and dismissing anyone bringing allegations to them with an approach bordering on contempt."

The report urges Fifa to review its bidding process for future World Cups and to reform itself as the International Olympic Committee (IOC) did following allegations of bribery and corruption into Salt Lake City's bid to host the 2002 Winter Olympic Games.

However, the report said Blatter's record did not inspire confidence that this would happen.

"We look to him now to fulfil the undertakings he gave at the time of his re-election to the presidency," it said. "We urge the FA, and other national associations to ensure he is held to account for them."

Committee member Damian Collins MP told Reuters in a telephone interview prior to the report's publication: "We are very concerned at the contempt Fifa showed when the evidence was presented to them. It is absolutely shocking at how little scrutiny there is of how Fifa executive members go about their business.

"Fifa may govern football, but it does not own football, and the way it operates would not be acceptable in any other organisation. Fifa needs to be far more transparent."

ENGLAND'S FAILURE

Initially, the inquiry, comprising MPs on the Culture, Media and Sport Committee, was set up to examine how the game is run in England and to examine the failure of England's bid to stage the 2018 World Cup which was awarded to Russia last December. On the same day, Fifa awarded the 2022 finals to Qatar.

Ad Feedback Subsequently in May, David Triesman, the former chairman of the English FA, gave evidence to the committee alleging that four members of the Fifa executive committee had demanded favours in return for voting for England.

Allegations made by the Sunday Times newspaper were also raised during the inquiry. Collins added that the way Fifa had dismissed those allegations was "hugely disappointing."

As well as being critical of Fifa, the report is also critical of Triesman, whose allegations in May against Fifa executive committee members Warner, Nicolas Leoz of Paraguay, Ricardo Teixeira of Brazil and Worawi Makudi of Thailand made headlines across the world and set alarm bells ringing.

Triesman resigned as FA chairman in May last year after being taped making what proved to be unfounded allegations against 2018 bid rivals Russia and Spain.

He told the Committee he did not make his allegations earlier for fear of harming England's bid, but following his assertions to the Committee regarding the four Fifa members, the English FA commissioned a report into his allegations, which could not be backed up.

The committee added: "It is frustrating and disappointing that Lord Triesman did not see fit to raise his allegations...when he first became aware of them. We welcome the undertaking he gave us that he would now raise his allegations with Fifa so that it could conduct an investigation."

The Committee has also recommended that the English FA conducts a review into the failures of the World Cup bid, which cost the FA and local councils more than 17 million pounds and ended up securing just two votes, one from England's own representatives, when the vote was taken by the executive committee, in Zurich on December 2 last year.

ANOTHER DECADE

Under current Fifa rules, after Russia hosts the 2018 World Cup, it will not return to Europe until 2030.

The report concludes that English influence in Fifa and in European's football's governing body UEFA is poor due to a number of historic and current perceptions including an arrogant approach to other countries.

With no bids possible for a World Cup for at least another decade, the committee recommends: "The FA can perhaps afford to play a long game, and to consolidate its position as a leading internal advocate of Fifa reform."

The FA gave a statement in response to the report.

"We have always acknowledged the level of disappointment amongst the public and everyone who was involved in the unsuccessful England 2018 Bid, particularly when we were very confident England's technical bid was the strongest following feedback from Fifa's inspection group," it said.

"Our focus is now on ensuring that the FA and all of English footballwork towards building stronger and more enduring international relationships.

"We can confirm that the FA chairman David Bernstein has began a process of evaluating our current representation on Fifa and UEFA committees, while determining how we can best strengthen our international relationships, both formally and informally."

- Reuters

Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Flex on July 06, 2011, 10:18:47 AM
Fifa find evidence of Jack Warner & Mohammad Bin Hammam corruption.
By:  By Paul Kelso (telegraph.co.uk).


A Fifa corruption investigation has concluded there is solid evidence that Jack Warner and Mohamed Bin Hammam colluded to offer bribes of up to $1 million (£625,000) to Caribbean football officials, Telegraph Sport can disclose.

The investigation, conducted by former FBI director Louis Freeh, is understood to have uncovered fresh evidence to corroborate the findings of the initial inquiry by lawyers acting for Fifa executive committee member Chuck Blazer.

Up to nine out of the 25 CFU national associations have told Freeh that they were offered or witnessed bribes of up to $40,000 per-nation being offered in brown envelopes to delegate at a special meeting of the Caribbean Football Union in Trinidad in May.

The witnesses have also told Freeh that they heard Warner explicitly explain that the money was from Bin Hammam and that it was linked to the Qatari’s presidential election campaign.

Bin Hammam challenged Blatter for the June 1 vote but withdrew days before the election in the wake of the allegations coming to light.

Fifa confirmed yesterday that Bin Hammam would now face a personal hearing before the ethics committee on July 22, with a verdict expected the following day. Warner no longer faces Fifa sanctions having resigned from all football posts and did not meet with investigators.

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Blazer’s report contained statements from four national associations — Bahamas, Bermuda, Cayman Islands and Turks & Caicos – but Freeh has gathered corroborative statements from five other countries supporting their claims.

Puerto Rico, Surinam, Grenada, Curucao and Aruba are thought to be among the additional witnesses who have come forward.

An official from the Guyana Football Federation said he saw other delegates with brown envelopes and was told they contained cash.

Carlos Prowell, vice-president of the Guyana federation, said: “Mr Bin Hammam came and made his presentation and talked about what he wanted to do about football. After that we were told to go to collect our gifts – it is normal to receive token gifts at all football functions from Fifa, Concacaf and CFU.

“I was in the lobby and saw some of the other guys coming out with brown envelopes. I did not know what was inside the envelope but was told by one them it contained cash.

“We didn’t know how much inside the envelopes – only later when we read about it in the media. We took a collective decision not to receive the gifts.”

Freeh is understood to have examined the CFU’s finances and established that it does not have the money to make such large payments. It had been claimed that the money was from the CFU rather than Bin Hammam.

The CFU, whose president at the time was Warner, is understood to be running a deficit of about $200,000, and to owe more than $300,000 to Warner himself.

A significant number of CFU nations, perhaps as many as a dozen, have declined to be interviewed, either refusing requests for meetings or dodging investigators during their travels in the Caribbean.

They could face disciplinary action as the ethics committee warned that it would “draw a negative inference” from failure to co-operate with Freeh. In the initial stages of the inquiry 12 Caribbean nations wrote letters in support of Warner denying that they had witnessed any attempted bribery in Trinidad.

Warner, a Fifa vice-president at the time of the Trinidad meeting, resigned from all his football posts after receiving the ethics committee’s initial findings, which declared there was “convincing and overwhelming evidence” against him.

Fifa dropped its investigation into Warner following his resignation but Freeh’s report is understood to refer to his role in the alleged bribery.

The report has not however established a more direct evidential link between Bin Hammam and the cash offered in Trinidad, beyond witnesses reporting Warner’s comments at the meeting.

It is not clear what conclusions Freeh has reached about the actions of executive committee members Worawi Makudi of Thailand and Fernando Manilal of Sri Lanka, both of whom were with Bin Hammam at the Trinidad meeting.

Freeh’s findings have been passed to the Fifa ethics committee, which will meet later this month to consider the report and take evidence from Bin Hammam and two officials from the Caribbean Football Union alleged to have handed out the money, who also face corruption charges.

Bin Hammam has insisted throughout this case that he is innocent of the charges and is the victim of a politically-motivated attempt to discredit him ahead of the presidential election.

At the time of publication neither Bin Hammam or Warner had responded to invitations to comment.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on July 06, 2011, 10:50:15 AM
There is so much hypocrisy underpining this whole investigation... part of me can't help but have contempt for the would-be "whistleblowers".
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on July 06, 2011, 12:49:16 PM
I learning a lot here!! What you say makes sense but I'm not sure how this occurs. I mean, TTFF are sanctioned by FIFA and act as their representatives via CONCACAF. They are submissive to FIFA through CONCACAF. So isn't it like, say, if the local Burger King manager broke a law in T&T, and the head office in USA had evidence, they wouldn't have to tell Gibbs if he asked? I mean, if Burger King (USA) want to sell franchises in T&T, surely they must agree that they would not conspire to defeat the laws of that country?

I know that may sound confusing, but I'm sure you get my drift. I didn't realise organisations could just ignore the laws of countries in which their people operate.   

Companies will often respond "in good faith" to law enforcements attempts to investigate a crime.  However this good faith is usually demonstrated when there is clear evidence upon which an investigation can be launched.  You'll be hard pressed to find any private organization that is willing to do law enforcement's job and conduct investigations then simply say "here it's all yours" unless there is a personal vendetta/ ill feelings towards the subject of such investigation.  So going with your example if the parent company of Burger King decides to have their annual conference in T&T and while there a high profile employee who happens to be a T&T native does something against their internal policy and is brought up on charges (within the company).  Their investigations however does not take place in T&T but it becomes public.  Even with the suspiscion of legal wrongdoing having occured in T&T the company which is not a T&T company would be under no obligation to turn over the evidence they aquired in their internal investigations.  Now if they want to disgrace the individual they may respond in "good faith" and turn over the material they have that possibly incriminates the subject of the investigations.  It has to be this way though because then you'd have countries with more political muscle infringing on what are now sovereiegn rights of smaller/ less powerful nations.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: just cool on July 06, 2011, 05:40:49 PM
I have ah question, could this verdict follow bans for the federations who failed to report the bribe?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Deeks on July 06, 2011, 06:19:16 PM
I see those 12 nations mentioned could cause the CFU voting split. They would not be saddled by any "kingpin" anymore. I think the USor Mex or both will try to get them in their corner to counter the remaining Carib. votes.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on July 07, 2011, 09:35:31 AM
I have ah question, could this verdict follow bans for the federations who failed to report the bribe?

failure to report maybe (depends on the constitution/ bylaws) but because it was common place to recieve cash gifts I would lean towards no.  Failure to submit themselves to the ethics committee investigation may result in sanctions though.  Not sure about all out bans.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: soccerrama on July 07, 2011, 07:50:22 PM

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/932810/jack-warner-rejects-claims-he-voted-for-qatar?cc=3888

Warner denies Qatar claims
 
July 7, 2011
 
 
Jack Warner has described as "nonsense" claims by one of his close associates that he voted for Qatar instead of the United States to be hosts of the 2022 World Cup.

Warner was, until his resignation last month three weeks after his provisional suspension on corruption charges, president of the CONCACAF confederation made up of countries from North and Central America and the Caribbean, as well as a FIFA vice-president.

As CONCACAF president, it would have been shocking for Warner to have backed Qatar over the USA, one of the countries in his confederation.

But Patrick John, president of the Dominica Football Association and a long-time ally of Warner, claims that he did vote for Qatar - and that the charges against Warner were a result of a conspiracy organised in response by USA and England.

John told local radio in Dominica: "The whole thing is a conspiracy against Jack Warner. Jack promised the United States to push for the World Cup but when the thing came along at FIFA level Jack supported Qatar. That hurt the United States.

"Jack promised the English FA to push for the World Cup for them, but Jack sided with Russia so these two federations are up in arms against Jack. They are the only federations making trouble."

Warner insisted that was not the case, saying in an email: "If Mr John did say so then that is nonsense but I imagine that one day all of this foolishness will come to an end."

Warner and fellow FIFA member Mohamed Bin Hammam were provisionally suspended after being charged with bribery. It was alleged they organised cash gifts totalling one million US dollars to Caribbean officials while Bin Hammam was campaigning for the FIFA presidency.

Bin Hammam expressed his hope that he will receive a fair hearing when he appears before FIFA's ethics committee later this month. The 62-year-old said he was disappointed by "continuous leaks of confidential information".

He said on his website: "I am still looking for and hoping to receive a fair hearing - one which will not be influenced by any political agenda or motivation.

"These proceedings were initiated based on the allegations of vote buying. I hope that, by now, the investigation has identified whether or not there had been attempts by me - directly or indirectly - to buy votes, particularly from those who claimed to have received these monies.

"I hope that the decision will be made solely by the members of this committee and based solely on the facts presented and not based on assumptions or the wishes of people outside the committee."

Bin Hammam repeated his earlier claim that "there has been a bias against me".

FIFA's ethics committee will meet on July 22 and 23 to hear the case against Bin Hammam, who had been the Asian confederation president until his suspension.

The investigations by the committee have been completed and their report has been sent to the Qatari. The ethics committee will also hear the cases of Debbie Minguell and Jason Sylvester, the two Caribbean Football Union officials who were also suspended.

FIFA dropped the investigation against Warner following his resignation from football-related activities, saying he was no longer under their jurisdiction.
 






Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: dreamer on July 07, 2011, 08:21:35 PM
TT duo face FIFA Ethics Committee
By Clint Chan Tack
Thursday, July 7 2011
Newday


http://www.newsday.co.tt/sport/0,143461.html


TWO Trinidad and Tobago nationals, Debbie Minguell and Jason Sylvester, are to appear before FIFA’s ethics committee on July 22 and 23 in Zurich, Switzerland to answer bribery allegations that have been made against them. The duo, who are employed with the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) were suspended by the committee May 29 along with Asian Football Confederation president Mohammed bin Hamman, who will also appear before the committee during this same period. FIFA’s investigators have gathered further evidence of bribery by suspended executive bin Hammam during his campaign to become president of world football’s governing body, a person familiar with the case said yesterday.

The corruption report compiled by former FBI agents was sent to bin Hammam last week. Nine of the 24 Caribbean Football Union members who attended a meeting in Port-of-Spain in May have now admitted to ex-FBI director Louis Freeh that they were offered or accepted US$40,000 payments from bin Hammam by a source.

Bin Hammam and two Caribbean football officials are accused of involvement in a plot to bribe executives in the Caribbean ahead of the Qatari’s challenge to topple FIFA President Sepp Blatter.

Minguell and Sylvester have not publicly responded to the allegations made against them and there was no indication was to whether they have obtained legal representation for the forthcoming hearings.

In a statement, FIFA said, “The FIFA ethics committee will meet on 22 and 23 July to examine the case of Mohammed bin Hamman, Debbie Minguell and Jason Sylvester who were provisionally suspended by the ethics committee on May 29, 2011 in relation to an alleged breach of the FIFA code of ethics and the FIFA disciplinary code.”

FIFA indicated that bin Hamman, Minguell and Sylvester have received the report on the investigations conducted by the ethics committee since May 29 and have been invited to present their position in writing prior to the hearings on July 22. FIFA also said at the hearings, the ethics committee, bin Hamman, Minguell and Sylvester will “have the opportunity to call on potential witnesses.”

However former FIFA vice-president Jack Warner may not be one of those witnesses even if he is called by bin Hamman, Minguell, Sylvester or the ethics committee to testify at the hearings.

Legal sources said if Warner is called to appear as a witness at the hearings, his participation would be strictly voluntary since he is no longer a FIFA vice-president. Warner, who was suspended at the same time as bin Hamman, Minguell and Sylvester on the same allegations, resigned from FIFA last month. As a result of his resignation, FIFA discontinued its probe against him and said Warner is presumed innocent.

Sources added that the ethics committee is not a court of law and has no power to force Warner to appear before it. FIFA, in its statement, also said that on July 23, “the ethics committee will deliberate and decide on the cases.” Following a function at the Chaguanas Government Primary School yesterday, Warner made no comment about the hearings or any FIFA matter when asked by reporters.

In a statement on June 22, Warner said he had not received a final report from the ethics committee but copies of the preliminary investigation by the ethics committee were sent to him, his lawyer and to the CONCACAF office in New York.

Sources said while Warner has received a lot of correspondence from the ethics committee, only he could decide whether such information should be made available to the Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar.


Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: dreamer on July 09, 2011, 12:50:51 PM
Big Soccer
http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/blog.php?b=11506

 :-\

Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: royal on July 15, 2011, 03:29:46 PM
Bin Hammam refuse to cooperate.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jul/15/mohamed-bin-hammam-bribery-investigation
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Trinitozbone on July 15, 2011, 03:54:52 PM
There is more to come out of this ! Exoneration by FIFA is only at the institutional level. At the national and international levels crimes appear to have been committed and  can be pursued if the Police Departments choose to take action? This whole issue was so widely covered, I don't think this is the end of this matter! Be careful of the web you weave you can get entrapped in it, Poor Uncle Jack!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on July 15, 2011, 06:49:03 PM
"The involvement of Simpaul Travel in the logistics of the Trinidad and Tobago conference raises the issue of whether Mr Warner may have been the beneficiary of related parties' transactions," says the report.

Interesting. You would think that Jack had learned by then that using Simpaul would always raise questions in peoples minds.

I feel this won't go away and the 12 federations refusing to co operate could face a total football ban. Unfortunately, this could finish T&T's 2014 preparations. Camps should be forced by public outrage to cooperate.

Imagine....T&T banned from international football. Journalists should attack Jack and Kamla and force them to either make Camps testify or make him resign, withdraw every single dollar of funding and remove any political recognition.

Of course, by doing that, it makes Warners position very unstable. But all Camps has to say is "I didn't see nuttin"

What we have here is Jack being protected by Camps at the cost of T&T footballs international participation.

Disgusting.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on July 15, 2011, 10:35:21 PM
"The involvement of Simpaul Travel in the logistics of the Trinidad and Tobago conference raises the issue of whether Mr Warner may have been the beneficiary of related parties' transactions," says the report.

Interesting. You would think that Jack had learned by then that using Simpaul would always raise questions in peoples minds.

I feel this won't go away and the 12 federations refusing to co operate could face a total football ban. Unfortunately, this could finish T&T's 2014 preparations. Camps should be forced by public outrage to cooperate.

Imagine....T&T banned from international football. Journalists should attack Jack and Kamla and force them to either make Camps testify or make him resign, withdraw every single dollar of funding and remove any political recognition.

Of course, by doing that, it makes Warners position very unstable. But all Camps has to say is "I didn't see nuttin"

What we have here is Jack being protected by Camps at the cost of T&T footballs international participation.

Disgusting.

We are not at that point yet, yuh jumping the gun but I can understand your argument!!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Coop's on July 17, 2011, 09:02:36 AM
Bin Hammam refuse to cooperate.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jul/15/mohamed-bin-hammam-bribery-investigation
      What's the latest on this Hammam guy?i thought his case and the case of the other two Trinis involved was on the 17th.Anybody in the know could update us?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: dreamer on July 17, 2011, 12:42:14 PM
Here's the latest on yuh boy Bin Hammam, Coop's:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/nationworld/sns-rt-ouksp-uk-soccer-fiftre76f0jv-20110716,0,4061965.story

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/ex-fbi-chief-submits-bin-hammam-bribery-report-410786.html

 :beermug:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: dreamer on July 22, 2011, 03:33:30 PM
Bin Hammam Expects Lifetime Football Ban But Vows to Appeal
World Football Insider
July 22, 2011


http://www.worldfootballinsider.com/Story.aspx?id=34547

Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bitter on July 23, 2011, 11:33:00 AM
Bin Hammam banned for life by FIFA

1:29pm EDT
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/23/us-soccer-fifa-binhammam-idUSTRE76M2HX20110723

ZURICH (Reuters) - Asian soccer chief Mohamed Bin Hammam was banned for life on Saturday after being found guilty by world soccer's ruling body of trying to buy votes ahead of last month's FIFA presidential election.
Saturday's decision was announced by FIFA's ethics committee following a two-day hearing. Qatari Bin Hammam withdrew his candidacy on May 29 and Swiss Sepp Blatter was re-elected president unopposed for a fourth term three days later.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on July 23, 2011, 01:12:23 PM
It's bullshit... but I don't really see what his purpose is by appealing.  Why fight to be a part of something that don't want yuh?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: rotatopoti3 on July 23, 2011, 06:43:38 PM
i still tryin tuh understand how Sepp walk back into dat FIFA chair unopposed..and have he henchmen so called ethics committee doing his bad deeds for him....

unbelievable....
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on July 23, 2011, 08:36:29 PM
i still tryin tuh understand how Sepp walk back into dat FIFA chair unopposed..and have he henchmen so called ethics committee doing his bad deeds for him....

unbelievable....

Not hard to understand at all... keep yuh friends close... and yuh enemies closer.  Jack overplay he hand... is like ah scene from one ah dem classic gangster flick, Jack is Sepp man but neither ah dem trust each other so secretly they start putting things in motion.  Jack like what Bin Hammam had to offer... I sure race played no small part.  Jack, Bin Hammam and CONCACAF square off against the European bosses.  Then they realize they in ah Mexican standoff but before Jack could tell Blazer to shoot dem Blazer swing de gun on him and walk over to Blatter side... joined by Bahamas, Puert Rico and ah handful others.

Think about it enough and yuh'll realize even you coulda write dat script.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: rotatopoti3 on July 24, 2011, 12:26:17 AM
well if daiz how it play out...he didnt watch enough gangsta movie tuh realize yuh doe battle with d hand dat feed ya...

I sure if he did play he cards right...he mighta even be able tuh become d head ah FIFA after Sepp step down but he gone like a thusty man looking for ah quick brush...and tuh make matters worse..he forget tuh hide he piggy when he get catch....

Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: dreamer on July 24, 2011, 05:44:47 AM
 :rotfl:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Coop's on July 24, 2011, 05:47:48 AM
well if daiz how it play out...he didnt watch enough gangsta movie tuh realize yuh doe battle with d hand dat feed ya...

I sure if he did play he cards right...he mighta even be able tuh become d head ah FIFA after Sepp step down but he gone like a thusty man looking for ah quick brush...and tuh make matters worse..he forget tuh hide he piggy when he get catch....


       Don't matter what card Jack played he would have get catch,the longest rope have an end and his time reached,the point is they were all out for him,all who was keeping secrets for him turned against him because he was too powerfull and any how you still wanted him to be president of FIFA with all this baggage he has been carrying,i think 30 yrs was enough,he went as far as he could go,did what he can for T&T and himself so now he could relax.  
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: truetrini on July 24, 2011, 08:09:05 AM
well if daiz how it play out...he didnt watch enough gangsta movie tuh realize yuh doe battle with d hand dat feed ya...

I sure if he did play he cards right...he mighta even be able tuh become d head ah FIFA after Sepp step down but he gone like a thusty man looking for ah quick brush...and tuh make matters worse..he forget tuh hide he piggy when he get catch....


       Don't matter what card Jack played he would have get catch,the longest rope have an end and his time reached,the point is they were all out for him,all who was keeping secrets for him turned against him because he was too powerfull and any how you still wanted him to be president of FIFA with all this baggage he has been carrying,i think 30 yrs was enough,he went as far as he could go,did what he can for T&T and himself so now he could relax.  

I stioll trying to f**king understand what he do for T&T?  Fiull me in please Coops...and thanks eh.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Coop's on July 24, 2011, 08:24:31 AM
well if daiz how it play out...he didnt watch enough gangsta movie tuh realize yuh doe battle with d hand dat feed ya...

I sure if he did play he cards right...he mighta even be able tuh become d head ah FIFA after Sepp step down but he gone like a thusty man looking for ah quick brush...and tuh make matters worse..he forget tuh hide he piggy when he get catch....


       Don't matter what card Jack played he would have get catch,the longest rope have an end and his time reached,the point is they were all out for him,all who was keeping secrets for him turned against him because he was too powerfull and any how you still wanted him to be president of FIFA with all this baggage he has been carrying,i think 30 yrs was enough,he went as far as he could go,did what he can for T&T and himself so now he could relax.  

I stioll trying to f**king understand what he do for T&T?  Fiull me in please Coops...and thanks eh.
       Why you have to be so abusive,like i strike a nerve or what?this is what i trying to avoid so i will not answer you,i done realize what you looking for,you set like a Rattle snake.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on July 24, 2011, 02:55:05 PM
well if daiz how it play out...he didnt watch enough gangsta movie tuh realize yuh doe battle with d hand dat feed ya...

I sure if he did play he cards right...he mighta even be able tuh become d head ah FIFA after Sepp step down but he gone like a thusty man looking for ah quick brush...and tuh make matters worse..he forget tuh hide he piggy when he get catch....


       Don't matter what card Jack played he would have get catch,the longest rope have an end and his time reached,the point is they were all out for him,all who was keeping secrets for him turned against him because he was too powerfull and any how you still wanted him to be president of FIFA with all this baggage he has been carrying,i think 30 yrs was enough,he went as far as he could go,did what he can for T&T and himself so now he could relax.  

I stioll trying to f**king understand what he do for T&T?  Fiull me in please Coops...and thanks eh.
       Why you have to be so abusive,like i strike a nerve or what?this is what i trying to avoid so i will not answer you,i done realize what you looking for,you set like a Rattle snake.

Hey Coop's, I think TC asked a reasonable question!

TC is passionate! I don't think he was abusing you, if anyone he was abusing JW.

Plus yuh shouldn't be vex if yuh find TC set like a Rattle snake when you yuhself have a Rattle snake set as yuh profile picture! Its takes a Rattle snake to take on a Rattle snake!! ;)

I feel Coop’s on some serious kicks again there with that Rattle snake comment yes!  :D
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Coop's on July 24, 2011, 03:38:51 PM
well if daiz how it play out...he didnt watch enough gangsta movie tuh realize yuh doe battle with d hand dat feed ya...

I sure if he did play he cards right...he mighta even be able tuh become d head ah FIFA after Sepp step down but he gone like a thusty man looking for ah quick brush...and tuh make matters worse..he forget tuh hide he piggy when he get catch....


       Don't matter what card Jack played he would have get catch,the longest rope have an end and his time reached,the point is they were all out for him,all who was keeping secrets for him turned against him because he was too powerfull and any how you still wanted him to be president of FIFA with all this baggage he has been carrying,i think 30 yrs was enough,he went as far as he could go,did what he can for T&T and himself so now he could relax.  

I stioll trying to f**king understand what he do for T&T?  Fiull me in please Coops...and thanks eh.
       Why you have to be so abusive,like i strike a nerve or what?this is what i trying to avoid so i will not answer you,i done realize what you looking for,you set like a Rattle snake.

Hey Coop's, I think TC asked a reasonable question!

TC is passionate! I don't think he was abusing you, if anyone he was abusing JW.

Plus yuh shouldn't be vex if yuh find TC set like a Rattle snake when you yuhself have a Rattle snake set as yuh profile picture! Its takes a Rattle snake to take on a Rattle snake!! ;)

I feel Coop’s on some serious kicks again there with that Rattle snake comment yes!  :D
       Soca i tell yu i done with that,i not getting myself tie up with those guys,if you want to answer him fine but i done.You know we cool  :devil: if guys want to have a descent conversation with me fine but once you start to cuss forget it.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: truetrini on July 25, 2011, 09:48:12 AM
well if daiz how it play out...he didnt watch enough gangsta movie tuh realize yuh doe battle with d hand dat feed ya...

I sure if he did play he cards right...he mighta even be able tuh become d head ah FIFA after Sepp step down but he gone like a thusty man looking for ah quick brush...and tuh make matters worse..he forget tuh hide he piggy when he get catch....


       Don't matter what card Jack played he would have get catch,the longest rope have an end and his time reached,the point is they were all out for him,all who was keeping secrets for him turned against him because he was too powerfull and any how you still wanted him to be president of FIFA with all this baggage he has been carrying,i think 30 yrs was enough,he went as far as he could go,did what he can for T&T and himself so now he could relax.  

I stioll trying to f**king understand what he do for T&T?  Fiull me in please Coops...and thanks eh.
       Why you have to be so abusive,like i strike a nerve or what?this is what i trying to avoid so i will not answer you,i done realize what you looking for,you set like a Rattle snake.

How I abusive?  Like yuh getting sorf in yuh old age?  What de f**k he do for T&T?  Dais all Ia sk, I eh cuss you..steups.   And what yuh mean those guys?  Like yuh eh know who yuh talking to or what?

Answer de question since you is one ah de few who seems to know what he ahs done...educate de rest ah we dunce rattle snakes.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Coop's on July 25, 2011, 09:57:17 AM
well if daiz how it play out...he didnt watch enough gangsta movie tuh realize yuh doe battle with d hand dat feed ya...

I sure if he did play he cards right...he mighta even be able tuh become d head ah FIFA after Sepp step down but he gone like a thusty man looking for ah quick brush...and tuh make matters worse..he forget tuh hide he piggy when he get catch....


       Don't matter what card Jack played he would have get catch,the longest rope have an end and his time reached,the point is they were all out for him,all who was keeping secrets for him turned against him because he was too powerfull and any how you still wanted him to be president of FIFA with all this baggage he has been carrying,i think 30 yrs was enough,he went as far as he could go,did what he can for T&T and himself so now he could relax.  

I stioll trying to f**king understand what he do for T&T?  Fiull me in please Coops...and thanks eh.
       Why you have to be so abusive,like i strike a nerve or what?this is what i trying to avoid so i will not answer you,i done realize what you looking for,you set like a Rattle snake.

How I abusive?  Like yuh getting sorf in yuh old age?  What de f**k he do for T&T?  Dais all Ia sk, I eh cuss you..steups.   And what yuh mean those guys?  Like yuh eh know who yuh talking to or what?

Answer de question since you is one ah de few who seems to know what he ahs done...educate de rest ah we dunce rattle snakes.

        Aye aye,cool down big man,i eh lash you or nothing,i don't know a lot of guys i talk too on here but i'm sure you all know me which says something,i'm sorry if i upset you eh take it easy  :devil:.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: truetrini on July 25, 2011, 10:04:38 AM
I not upset, I eh cuss yuh is Jack I want to know what he do..jes answer me nah..thanks
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Coop's on July 25, 2011, 10:18:06 AM
I not upset, I eh cuss yuh is Jack I want to know what he do..jes answer me nah..thanks
       Breds,listen to me carefully,i am constantly abused on the forum for my views on Jack and the TTFF,if i answer one others jump in etc etc i've decided i'm going to sit back and let nature take it's course with all the coruption etc etc going on,although i have the time on my hand i do not want this to become a full time job for me,you all want to deal with me as though i am JW,i does just try to be open minded.If you all think the man has done nothing for T&T Football you all are quite in order to think so,i don't have any beef with that but people should not be angry when i give my views.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Trinitozbone on July 25, 2011, 01:15:59 PM
Now that Bin Hamman has been banned for life and minguell and sylvester of Trinidad and Tobago banned for one year ,where does that leave Jack? Is he still presumed innocent? Unequal application of the law! Or now that the evidence has been given by Ms Kanhai is it now up the various jurisdictions to lay charges on receipt of the report?
When FIFA told Gibbs to wait on the report I guess he knew they will have something to work with! What a thing! This thing stinks to high heavens!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on July 25, 2011, 01:32:07 PM
Now that Bin Hamman has been banned for life and minguell and sylvester of Trinidad and Tobago banned for one year ,where does that leave Jack? Is he still presumed innocent? Unequal application of the law! Or now that the evidence has been given by Ms Kanhai is it now up the various jurisdictions to lay charges on receipt of the report?
When FIFA told Gibbs to wait on the report I guess he knew they will have something to work with! What a thing! This thing stinks to high heavens!

Charges for what?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Trinitozbone on July 25, 2011, 01:49:23 PM
Bakes what planet yuh living on? What charges? Read the posts above and let me know if yuh still having problems to define and I will give yuh a number to call! Jennings BBC!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on July 25, 2011, 02:56:25 PM
Bakes what planet yuh living on? What charges? Read the posts above and let me know if yuh still having problems to define and I will give yuh a number to call! Jennings BBC!

Just answer the question if you can... "charges" for what?  If yuh can't answer then no scenes, we move on.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on July 25, 2011, 03:05:03 PM
I not upset, I eh cuss yuh is Jack I want to know what he do..jes answer me nah..thanks
       Breds,listen to me carefully,i am constantly abused on the forum for my views on Jack and the TTFF,if i answer one others jump in etc etc i've decided i'm going to sit back and let nature take it's course with all the coruption etc etc going on,although i have the time on my hand i do not want this to become a full time job for me,you all want to deal with me as though i am JW,i does just try to be open minded.If you all think the man has done nothing for T&T Football you all are quite in order to think so,i don't have any beef with that but people should not be angry when i give my views.

I don't think folks are angry with you for giving your views! They may be disappointed that someone like yourself may hold certain views regards Jack & the TTFF but all points of view are welcomed here.

I believe that you regularly chose to represent the view of the other side on here to try to add some balance to the forum and I am sure you’ve admitted that much in one of your posts the other day.

Most folks here may not have noticed when you made that confession the other day but I did. So since that time I realise that you sometimes try to play the role of devil's advocate (defending Jack) in order to stir up more debate and get some reaction.

All we ask is when you get the reaction you are seeking that you don’t pretend to be innocent and act like you are not enjoying getting the very reaction that you were seeking, that's all!  :devil:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Coop's on July 25, 2011, 04:24:37 PM
I not upset, I eh cuss yuh is Jack I want to know what he do..jes answer me nah..thanks
       Breds,listen to me carefully,i am constantly abused on the forum for my views on Jack and the TTFF,if i answer one others jump in etc etc i've decided i'm going to sit back and let nature take it's course with all the coruption etc etc going on,although i have the time on my hand i do not want this to become a full time job for me,you all want to deal with me as though i am JW,i does just try to be open minded.If you all think the man has done nothing for T&T Football you all are quite in order to think so,i don't have any beef with that but people should not be angry when i give my views.

I don't think folks are angry with you for giving your views! They may be disappointed that someone like yourself may hold certain views regards Jack & the TTFF but all points of view are welcomed here.

I believe that you regularly chose to represent the view of the other side on here to try to add some balance to the forum and I am sure you’ve admitted that much in one of your posts the other day.

Most folks here may not have noticed when you made that confession the other day but I did. So since that time I realise that you sometimes try to play the role of devil's advocate (defending Jack) in order to stir up more debate and get some reaction.

All we ask is when you get the reaction you are seeking that you don’t pretend to be innocent and act like you are not enjoying getting the very reaction that you were seeking, that's all!  :devil:
       Alright,agreed,i hear allyu,at least you all understand,now cuss all allyu want i'm fine,i know the guys appreciate me being around because i do enjoy the reaction.You seem to have me down to a science.  :devil: 
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on July 25, 2011, 05:42:02 PM
Bakes what planet yuh living on? What charges? Read the posts above and let me know if yuh still having problems to define and I will give yuh a number to call! Jennings BBC!

Just answer the question if you can... "charges" for what?  If yuh can't answer then no scenes, we move on.

O GODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD  we now back down this road again lol

Bakes I know you are not convinced there are "charges" to answer, but put your prosecutors hat on for a second and help us see the light. We all know that something shady went on and we have heard several witnesses confirm money was passed out, and even that Jack authorised the distribution. So what laws may have been broken, and if you were the A.G. or whoever is responsible for upholding the law, what would you do in their position?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on July 25, 2011, 05:49:25 PM
O GODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD  we now back down this road again lol

Bakes I know you are not convinced there are "charges" to answer, but put your prosecutors hat on for a second and help us see the light. We all know that something shady went on and we have heard several witnesses confirm money was passed out, and even that Jack authorised the distribution. So what laws may have been broken, and if you were the A.G. or whoever is responsible for upholding the law, what would you do in their position?

Nah, trust me it wasn't going to be no setta long talk... I just wanted to hear what our "New Warrior" friend have to say.


As per the earlier discussion in the thread... as I see it the only real likelihood that a 'crime' was committed here was IF... and big if at that, cash was brought into the country... and HOW it was taken out beyond customs.  Clearly the CFU officials who took the cash out appear guilty of violating the law but the only thing anyone can really peg on Jack is if there was corruption involved there, by him telling them "doh worry... if they give yuh any problems at the gate call..."


P.S.  the irony if the DPP- not Anand he's ah imps, and that's not his role- was to go after the 'whistleblowers now LOL
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on July 25, 2011, 05:58:34 PM
To be honest, if it was an ordinary Joe, I could understand no investigation taking place. But seeing as Jack is a govt minister, politically, PP, UNC, police and probably also, CFU, CONCACAF & TTFF should be wanting this cleared up to prove they want to expose sleaze. All eyes are on the integrity of these organisations, and a cover up could cause more problems. However, as we know, Jack has a thumb in all these pies and could pull out lots of plums that will embarrass all of the above while saying "what a good boy am I".

Its catch 22. No one knows what Jack could reveal or the consequences of such revelations, but I can't see how a blind eye could be turned on this one. bin Hammam is guilty, but Jack is not, even though the "evidence" says he is? His workers followed his instructions and were punished, but not Jack?

Nah, justice must be seen to be done. At the least, any self respecting minister would resign. 
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Trinitozbone on July 25, 2011, 06:35:43 PM
Football supporter thanks for making it clear for bakes! I assume people who are interested in the future of our football and interested in officials being accountable for the actions would have been following the debacle. But I realised Bakes wanted me to be more explicit!
But you said it!
Importation of foreign currency without declaring it. Who know how it was facilitated into the country. The list of violations read out by the learned judge on Saturday. Violation of the code of ethics which are also criminal offences in our jurisdiction ! And what about the excess that was to be returned to Jack for those who did not accept the gifts. Which office was the money handed over from? I hope it is Concacaf and not a government office. Although it is still on our soil.  Gibbs was told to wait until the final verdict by FIFA. I can only speculate why?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: E-man on July 25, 2011, 10:21:46 PM
Exclusive: Caribbean countries to be probed as FIFA bribery saga continues
By Andrew Warshaw (insideworldfootball.biz)


July 25 - As many as 15 representatives of Caribbean countries could now face investigation as part of the explosive bribery scandal that brought down Asian football chief Mohamed Bin Hammam at the weekend.

insideworldfootball has learned that FIFA's secretariat will be asked by its Ethics Committee to open a flurry of new cases just when it was thought the entire debacle had reached its denouement with Bin Hammam, former President of the Asian Football Confederation, banned for life.

Towards the end of Saturday's hastily arranged press conference following the Ethics Committee hearing into Bin Hammam, Namibian judge Petrus Damaseb (pictured), who chaired the hearing, intriguingly revealed that "in the light of evidence disclosed" the Committee would request a further probe "into the conduct of others" who attended the infamous May 10-11 meeting in Trinidad where the bribes were allegedly offered.

Damaseb refused to elaborate but insideworldfootball has now learned that those involved represent 11 Caribbean Football Union (CFU) associations who attended the meeting where the illicit payments were offered but denied it ever took place.

Given that the ethics committee found it did take place and that money was indeed handed out, it is understood that FIFA general-secretary Jérôme Valcke will now be asked to launch a separate probe into those associations.

insideworldfootball has been given the names of the countries as British Virgin Islands, Dominican Republic, Guyana, Haiti, Jamaica, St Kitts and Nevis, St Lucia, St Vincent and the Grenadines, Trinidad and Tobago, US Virgin Islands and Barbados.

All are understood to have sent affidavits to the Ethics Committee.

In addition, representatives of four other countries are alleged to have failed to respond to a request to be interviewed by the investigations team - and these four could also now face a probe into their conduct.

They have been identified as Anguilla, Antigua and Barbuda, Dominica and Montserrat.

The latest development, as first predicted by insideworldfootball, adds another layer of intrigue and skulduggery on to the unprecedented cash-for-votes scandal just when FIFA is hoping attention will be switched to next weekend's 2014 preliminary World Cup draw in Brazil.

Meanwhile, Bin Hammam's assertion that the five-man Ethics Committee had decided in advance they would throw the book at him and that the verdict was orchestrated in part by FIFA President Sepp Blatter in revenge for Bin Hammam standing against him is being treated with utter amazement by the ethics committee members themselves.

Bin Hammam, who was alleged to have offered $40,000 (£24,000) bribes to CFU members, has refused to accept his fate and insists he still has not been given precise details of exactly what he was supposed to have done wrong.

Another view, however, is that his legal team were presented with copies of all the evidence as it was being collated while the ethics committee are adamant they were not responsible for any of the media leaks that occurred during the process.


Do we know which TTFF officials were at this meeting?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on July 25, 2011, 11:30:41 PM
Question: I'm aware that TTFF is an independent body, but if TTFF are tarnishing the country by its actions, can the govt intervene in some way? After all, they are the countries football representatives. In England they would be dragged in front of a parliamentary hearing (as happened with the 2018 bid team) and in the U.S. I imagine the same thing happens. If the govt have those powers, they should also order Warner to attend and explain his involvement.

Camps and co are further dragging the name of T&T through the mud. This alleged bribery happened here, was allegedly orchestrated by a T&T senior minister and TTFF refused to give evidence.

Makes yuh kinda proud ent?   
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Deeks on July 26, 2011, 06:13:38 AM
Question: I'm aware that TTFF is an independent body, but if TTFF are tarnishing the country by its actions, can the govt intervene in some way? After all, they are the countries football representatives. In England they would be dragged in front of a parliamentary hearing (as happened with the 2018 bid team) and in the U.S. I imagine the same thing happens. If the govt have those powers, they should also order Warner to attend and explain his involvement.

Camps and co are further dragging the name of T&T through the mud. This alleged bribery happened here, was allegedly orchestrated by a T&T senior minister and TTFF refused to give evidence.

Makes yuh kinda proud ent?   

FS, As ironic as it may seem, FIFA FORBIDS governments from interferring in the businesses of it national franchisees. They will ban them from all, ALL international and regional competitions.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Trinitozbone on July 26, 2011, 08:30:11 AM
The irony is although jack has resigned from FIFA, and cannot be involved in any football matters at national and international levels he is still in the cabinet and can influence policy decisions of the ministry of sport including funding which is most important!how would FIFA know the extent to his involvement ? Is he going to recuse himself from Cabinet whenever decisions are being made? We will have to depend on Kamla to do the right thing!
As we know if FIFA is aware his case can be reopened!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on July 26, 2011, 09:02:01 AM
Question: I'm aware that TTFF is an independent body, but if TTFF are tarnishing the country by its actions, can the govt intervene in some way? After all, they are the countries football representatives. In England they would be dragged in front of a parliamentary hearing (as happened with the 2018 bid team) and in the U.S. I imagine the same thing happens. If the govt have those powers, they should also order Warner to attend and explain his involvement.

Camps and co are further dragging the name of T&T through the mud. This alleged bribery happened here, was allegedly orchestrated by a T&T senior minister and TTFF refused to give evidence.

Makes yuh kinda proud ent?   

FS, As ironic as it may seem, FIFA FORBIDS governments from interferring in the businesses of it national franchisees. They will ban them from all, ALL international and regional competitions.

Yes, obviously this is the case regarding football federations. However, there must be some point where a government can show displeasure, and one the methods for doing this is to withdraw funding and use of stadiums until transparency is obtained. Aside from a handful of lackeys, nobody in T&T has given TTFF a mandate to represent the country.
I feel that the govt should write to FIFA requesting the evidence they hold and asking for their assistance in restructuring the TTFF
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Coop's on July 26, 2011, 09:14:54 AM
Question: I'm aware that TTFF is an independent body, but if TTFF are tarnishing the country by its actions, can the govt intervene in some way? After all, they are the countries football representatives. In England they would be dragged in front of a parliamentary hearing (as happened with the 2018 bid team) and in the U.S. I imagine the same thing happens. If the govt have those powers, they should also order Warner to attend and explain his involvement.

Camps and co are further dragging the name of T&T through the mud. This alleged bribery happened here, was allegedly orchestrated by a T&T senior minister and TTFF refused to give evidence.

Makes yuh kinda proud ent?   

FS, As ironic as it may seem, FIFA FORBIDS governments from interferring in the businesses of it national franchisees. They will ban them from all, ALL international and regional competitions.

Yes, obviously this is the case regarding football federations. However, there must be some point where a government can show displeasure, and one the methods for doing this is to withdraw funding and use of stadiums until transparency is obtained. Aside from a handful of lackeys, nobody in T&T has given TTFF a mandate to represent the country.
I feel that the govt should write to FIFA requesting the evidence they hold and asking for their assistance in restructuring the TTFF
        So why are they called TTFF?what does the TT stands for?somebody has to give them the mandate to carry such a name,don't blame Kamla and them that name around donkey years.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on July 26, 2011, 09:40:52 AM
Question: I'm aware that TTFF is an independent body, but if TTFF are tarnishing the country by its actions, can the govt intervene in some way? After all, they are the countries football representatives. In England they would be dragged in front of a parliamentary hearing (as happened with the 2018 bid team) and in the U.S. I imagine the same thing happens. If the govt have those powers, they should also order Warner to attend and explain his involvement.

Camps and co are further dragging the name of T&T through the mud. This alleged bribery happened here, was allegedly orchestrated by a T&T senior minister and TTFF refused to give evidence.

Makes yuh kinda proud ent?   

FS, As ironic as it may seem, FIFA FORBIDS governments from interferring in the businesses of it national franchisees. They will ban them from all, ALL international and regional competitions.

Yes, obviously this is the case regarding football federations. However, there must be some point where a government can show displeasure, and one the methods for doing this is to withdraw funding and use of stadiums until transparency is obtained. Aside from a handful of lackeys, nobody in T&T has given TTFF a mandate to represent the country.
I feel that the govt should write to FIFA requesting the evidence they hold and asking for their assistance in restructuring the TTFF
        So why are they called TTFF?what does the TT stands for?somebody has to give them the mandate to carry such a name,don't blame Kamla and them that name around donkey years.

You ain't watching what I'm saying bro. TTFF, or rather, their previous incarnations were formed, supposedly by representatives of zonal and regional football. It was supposed to represent the interests of every footballer and supporter. However, as we know, it has become a members only club and DOES NOT represent the players or supporters any more.

Regardless of their rules, if a person or body continually continues to bring the reputation of a country into disrepute they should be called to task. I don't blame Kamla for past failures to deal with this, but, bro, she's the PM, its her job to protect the good name of Trinidad & Tobago. 
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Coop's on July 26, 2011, 10:21:13 AM
Question: I'm aware that TTFF is an independent body, but if TTFF are tarnishing the country by its actions, can the govt intervene in some way? After all, they are the countries football representatives. In England they would be dragged in front of a parliamentary hearing (as happened with the 2018 bid team) and in the U.S. I imagine the same thing happens. If the govt have those powers, they should also order Warner to attend and explain his involvement.

Camps and co are further dragging the name of T&T through the mud. This alleged bribery happened here, was allegedly orchestrated by a T&T senior minister and TTFF refused to give evidence.

Makes yuh kinda proud ent?   

FS, As ironic as it may seem, FIFA FORBIDS governments from interferring in the businesses of it national franchisees. They will ban them from all, ALL international and regional competitions.

Yes, obviously this is the case regarding football federations. However, there must be some point where a government can show displeasure, and one the methods for doing this is to withdraw funding and use of stadiums until transparency is obtained. Aside from a handful of lackeys, nobody in T&T has given TTFF a mandate to represent the country.
I feel that the govt should write to FIFA requesting the evidence they hold and asking for their assistance in restructuring the TTFF
        So why are they called TTFF?what does the TT stands for?somebody has to give them the mandate to carry such a name,don't blame Kamla and them that name around donkey years.

You ain't watching what I'm saying bro. TTFF, or rather, their previous incarnations were formed, supposedly by representatives of zonal and regional football. It was supposed to represent the interests of every footballer and supporter. However, as we know, it has become a members only club and DOES NOT represent the players or supporters any more.

Regardless of their rules, if a person or body continually continues to bring the reputation of a country into disrepute they should be called to task. I don't blame Kamla for past failures to deal with this, but, bro, she's the PM, its her job to protect the good name of Trinidad & Tobago. 
        What i am trying to say is like nobody prior saw it fit to protect the good name of T&T,they wait until it reach to this stage and then wants something done about it,what's funny is the same person we targeting is in the leadership position to protect our interest/name,it's not just a minister it's the vice PM,how do you suggest she deals with it.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: weary1969 on July 26, 2011, 10:29:32 AM
Question: I'm aware that TTFF is an independent body, but if TTFF are tarnishing the country by its actions, can the govt intervene in some way? After all, they are the countries football representatives. In England they would be dragged in front of a parliamentary hearing (as happened with the 2018 bid team) and in the U.S. I imagine the same thing happens. If the govt have those powers, they should also order Warner to attend and explain his involvement.

Camps and co are further dragging the name of T&T through the mud. This alleged bribery happened here, was allegedly orchestrated by a T&T senior minister and TTFF refused to give evidence.

Makes yuh kinda proud ent?   

FS, As ironic as it may seem, FIFA FORBIDS governments from interferring in the businesses of it national franchisees. They will ban them from all, ALL international and regional competitions.

Yes, obviously this is the case regarding football federations. However, there must be some point where a government can show displeasure, and one the methods for doing this is to withdraw funding and use of stadiums until transparency is obtained. Aside from a handful of lackeys, nobody in T&T has given TTFF a mandate to represent the country.
I feel that the govt should write to FIFA requesting the evidence they hold and asking for their assistance in restructuring the TTFF
        So why are they called TTFF?what does the TT stands for?somebody has to give them the mandate to carry such a name,don't blame Kamla and them that name around donkey years.

You ain't watching what I'm saying bro. TTFF, or rather, their previous incarnations were formed, supposedly by representatives of zonal and regional football. It was supposed to represent the interests of every footballer and supporter. However, as we know, it has become a members only club and DOES NOT represent the players or supporters any more.

Regardless of their rules, if a person or body continually continues to bring the reputation of a country into disrepute they should be called to task. I don't blame Kamla for past failures to deal with this, but, bro, she's the PM, its her job to protect the good name of Trinidad & Tobago. 
        What i am trying to say is like nobody prior saw it fit to protect the good name of T&T,they wait until it reach to this stage and then wants something done about it,what's funny is the same person we targeting is in the leadership position to protect our interest/name,it's not just a minister it's the vice PM,how do you suggest she deals with it.

How were we 2 protect d good name of TNT? Evrybody know d fella is a KROOK but thousand of the citizens voted 4 he and he party so they cryin over spilled milk.
Title: The Other Shoe Just Dropped
Post by: tempo on July 26, 2011, 10:32:49 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/14296987.stm

Bribe investigation just expanded. CFU member association officials given 48 hours to come clean or else. Prisoner's dilemma at it's finest.
Title: Re: The Other Shoe Just Dropped
Post by: weary1969 on July 26, 2011, 10:43:11 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/14296987.stm

Bribe investigation just expanded. CFU member association officials given 48 hours to come clean or else. Prisoner's dilemma at it's finest.

Sometimes it's hard to be a CFU official
Giving all your love to just one man
You'll have bad times
And he'll have good times
Doin things that you don't understand
But if you love him
You'll forgive him
Even though he's hard to understand
And if you love him
Oh, be proud of him
Cause after all he's just a man

Stand by your man
Give him two arms to cling to
And something warm to come to
when nights are cold and lonely

Stand by your man
And show the world you love him
Keep giving all the love you can
Stand by your man

Stand by your man
And show the world you love him
Keep giving all the love you can
Stand by your man
Title: Re: The Other Shoe Just Dropped
Post by: tempo on July 26, 2011, 11:14:57 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/14296987.stm

Bribe investigation just expanded. CFU member association officials given 48 hours to come clean or else. Prisoner's dilemma at it's finest.

Sometimes it's hard to be a CFU official
Giving all your love to just one man
You'll have bad times
And he'll have good times
Doin things that you don't understand
But if you love him
You'll forgive him
Even though he's hard to understand
And if you love him
Oh, be proud of him
Cause after all he's just a man

Stand by your man
Give him two arms to cling to
And something warm to come to
when nights are cold and lonely

Stand by your man
And show the world you love him
Keep giving all the love you can
Stand by your man

Stand by your man
And show the world you love him
Keep giving all the love you can
Stand by your man

:D Tammy Wynette
Title: Re: The Other Shoe Just Dropped
Post by: Socapro on July 26, 2011, 11:45:16 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/14296987.stm

Bribe investigation just expanded. CFU member association officials given 48 hours to come clean or else. Prisoner's dilemma at it's finest.

Sometimes it's hard to be a CFU official
Giving all your love to just one man
You'll have bad times
And he'll have good times
Doin things that you don't understand
But if you love him
You'll forgive him
Even though he's hard to understand
And if you love him
Oh, be proud of him
Cause after all he's just a man

Stand by your man
Give him two arms to cling to
And something warm to come to
when nights are cold and lonely

Stand by your man
And show the world you love him
Keep giving all the love you can
Stand by your man

Stand by your man
And show the world you love him
Keep giving all the love you can
Stand by your man


 :rotfl:

Ah sure Camps knows that song by heart!!  :D
Title: Re: The Other Shoe Just Dropped
Post by: Observer on July 26, 2011, 11:48:20 AM
Oh Sh*t  :rotfl:  Classic!
Title: Re: The Other Shoe Just Dropped
Post by: MEP on July 26, 2011, 12:30:17 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/14296987.stm

Bribe investigation just expanded. CFU member association officials given 48 hours to come clean or else. Prisoner's dilemma at it's finest.

Sometimes it's hard to be a CFU official
Giving all your love to just one man
You'll have bad times
And he'll have good times
Doin things that you don't understand
But if you love him
You'll forgive him
Even though he's hard to understand
And if you love him
Oh, be proud of him
Cause after all he's just a man

Stand by your man
Give him two arms to cling to
And something warm to come to
when nights are cold and lonely

Stand by your man
And show the world you love him
Keep giving all the love you can
Stand by your man

Stand by your man
And show the world you love him
Keep giving all the love you can
Stand by your man

:D Tammy Wynette
no tantie winette cause is now ting start
Title: Re: The Other Shoe Just Dropped
Post by: Tenorsaw on July 26, 2011, 12:51:46 PM
Lets see how long they'll keep lying. I believe that money was passed, and these associations will be foolish to risk such sanctions for continued denial that such transactions did not occur. Why would these other associations concuct such a scheme then? 
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: dreamer on July 26, 2011, 04:30:10 PM
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/SPORT/football/07/26/football.fifa.cfu.hammam/index.html

When yuh see it reach CNN, then de gobar really hit de fan.

Note that the request was directed "to all CFU associations, asking the associations, their presidents, and any of their members with knowledge of anything that transpired during the meetings held on 10 and 11 May in Trinidad and Tobago to provide and report all relevant information in their possession within 48 hours"

This means that Scamps, Rodent, KLL, Cornmeal and any of the others connected to the gravy train will have to sing to save their jobs. Serious development people. 48 hrs and de clock already ticking. Lincoln de "Tiger", if yuh know anything, FIFA wants to hear from you, even if you technically were employed by the govt. They still need your evidence. You can remain incognito and possibly make a comeback as TTFF president after de house of cards falls.

 :beermug:


Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on July 26, 2011, 05:27:51 PM
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/SPORT/football/07/26/football.fifa.cfu.hammam/index.html

When yuh see it reach CNN, then de gobar really hit de fan.

Note that the request was directed "to all CFU associations, asking the associations, their presidents, and any of their members with knowledge of anything that transpired during the meetings held on 10 and 11 May in Trinidad and Tobago to provide and report all relevant information in their possession within 48 hours"

This means that Scamps, Rodent, KLL, Cornmeal and any of the others connected to the gravy train will have to sing to save their jobs. Serious development people. 48 hrs and de clock ticking. Lincoln de "Tiger", if yuh know anything, FIFA wants to hear from you.

 :beermug:


LP was not part of that! Plus he is no longer an employee of the TTFF.

Camps is the man they want to talk to!
I feel Camps should try to claim ignorance!

Camps can say something like this in his reply letter to FIFA:

Dear Mr Blatter/FIFA Ethics Committee,  

I know you're now out to hang me & my man, special advisor & minister of hard wuk, Jack Horner, after successfully hanging our oil rich & gullible friend Mr Bin Had-man.
But I can assure you that ain’t happening!

I've been in this job as head of TTFF much longer than you have been the head of FIFA!
While you only have 4 more years left in your post and now trying to pretend you transparent to go out with a good image, I on the other hand plan to die in this job as head of the TTFF and there’s nothing you can do about it, so who you really feel is the bigger man between both of us that can take the heat and last the distance? Eh?!!

For your information I have no idea what when down here in T&T and I am claiming ignorance and I am sure my claim will stand up in any court of law if it comes to that!
I have a serious track record of having absolutely no idea what goes on in the TTFF and our offices here in T&T! All these years in the job I have been simply carrying out Jack’s instructions and now that you have banned him from getting involved in any football matters I am totally clueless!
In fact many folks here in my beloved country have argued that I am probably senile and some T&T football supporters have even resorted to referring to me as IT!! Please check the SocaWarriors.net Discussion Forum if you doubt me, them guys on there know what they talking bout!

I have absolutely no idea what when on here in T&T in May and was only woken up from my stupor after Jack was suspended! That’s the honest truth!!!

Please forgive any spelling errors as I don't usually write and my secretary is just as clueless as me but thankfully can make a great cup of tea!!

Yours senilely
Ole Scamps
 :angel:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on July 26, 2011, 06:55:55 PM
To be honest, if it was an ordinary Joe, I could understand no investigation taking place. But seeing as Jack is a govt minister, politically, PP, UNC, police and probably also, CFU, CONCACAF & TTFF should be wanting this cleared up to prove they want to expose sleaze. All eyes are on the integrity of these organisations, and a cover up could cause more problems. However, as we know, Jack has a thumb in all these pies and could pull out lots of plums that will embarrass all of the above while saying "what a good boy am I".

Its catch 22. No one knows what Jack could reveal or the consequences of such revelations, but I can't see how a blind eye could be turned on this one. bin Hammam is guilty, but Jack is not, even though the "evidence" says he is? His workers followed his instructions and were punished, but not Jack?

Nah, justice must be seen to be done. At the least, any self respecting minister would resign. 

*sigh*

Okay so this whole investigation crusade is to get some sort of definitive answer on whether Jack paid a bribe to CFU officials?  Is this the case you're making for why he should resign?  Or is there more that I'm missing... because frankly this bribe thing is kinda overblown.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/14296987.stm

Bribe investigation just expanded. CFU member association officials given 48 hours to come clean or else. Prisoner's dilemma at it's finest.

And the hypocrisy continues... sacrifice a few peasants in the name of "transparency and ethics" while kings of corruption sit immune from scrutiny in their gilded offices in Zurich.  Reminds me of a scene I once saw in a movie... "Dragonslayer" I think it was.  The hero battles a dragon and kills it... the next morning when all is quiet the King of the realm calmly rides up to the dragon's carcass, stick his sword into its heart and declares it dead.  Long live the king!

Lol....
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on July 26, 2011, 07:05:08 PM
Football supporter thanks for making it clear for bakes! I assume people who are interested in the future of our football and interested in officials being accountable for the actions would have been following the debacle.1 But I realised Bakes wanted me to be more explicit!2
But you said it!
Importation of foreign currency without declaring it.3 Who know how it was facilitated into the country. The list of violations read out by the learned judge on Saturday. Violation of the code of ethics which are also criminal offences in our jurisdiction !4 And what about the excess that was to be returned to Jack for those who did not accept the gifts.5 Which office was the money handed over from? I hope it is Concacaf and not a government office.6 Although it is still on our soil.  Gibbs was told to wait until the final verdict by FIFA. I can only speculate why?

1  You should rely too much on assumptions... one way or another.  I have been following this more than you know, and for longer than you know.
2 ... and I'm still waiting, none of these accusations you raise point to a crime being committed by Jack *shrug*
3 Was money imported without declaring it?  By Jack?
4 Violation of the code of ethics 'are' criminal offences in your jurisdiction?  You not talking about Trinidad and Tobago by any chance are you?
5 Who cares what happened to the "excess"... it's not public money, nor was it stolen... *shrug*
6 Office?  The meeting was held at the Hyatt.  This is what we really clamoring for investigation for?
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on July 26, 2011, 07:12:03 PM
Question: I'm aware that TTFF is an independent body, but if TTFF are tarnishing the country by its actions, can the govt intervene in some way? After all, they are the countries football representatives. In England they would be dragged in front of a parliamentary hearing (as happened with the 2018 bid team) and in the U.S. I imagine the same thing happens. If the govt have those powers, they should also order Warner to attend and explain his involvement.

Camps and co are further dragging the name of T&T through the mud. This alleged bribery happened here, was allegedly orchestrated by a T&T senior minister and TTFF refused to give evidence.

Makes yuh kinda proud ent?   

Allyuh men getting real crazy with this thing now... TTFF is a private organization and as far as this bribery thing is concerned they broke no laws... what would they be dragged in front of Parliament for?  If the US Congress pulls some stunt like that I guarantee you they will get lambasted for wasting taxpayers money.  English media loves a pappyshow and the English parliament and government loves to keep the tabloids happy... so yeah, something as trivial as this would play large in England... as evidenced by the latest NOTW fiasco.  The coziness of government and the press has given outsized influence to the press, who at times have used that power for good... and at times the rest of us objective folks can only sit back and have a chuckle.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on July 26, 2011, 08:19:38 PM
You see, this is what I don't understand. People on this site always criticising T&T press for not asking the hard questions, yet you criticise the British press for exposing corruption etc (Yes, of course NOTW reporters went too far and acted illegally.)

And then people here bemoan a corrupt and non transparent govt, yet when people calling for investigations you belittle those requests.

Bakes, I wasn't being sarcastic when I asked for your input. I really want to know if there are charges that should be laid at the feet of Warner and TTFF. I cannot believe for a second that a first world country (or one aspiring to be first world) would allow a govt minister to remain in his post while bringing this much shame and embarrassment upon his country.

Its no longer about being right or wrong legally. The man has chosen to avoid giving evidence to defend himself, so even if he is totally innocent, he will always be perceived as guilty. If he had any honour he would put his country first and step away. If he feels he's more important than his country's and party's image, they should ask him to leave. Kamla got enough to deal with without all this drama.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on July 26, 2011, 09:35:50 PM
You see, this is what I don't understand. People on this site always criticising T&T press for not asking the hard questions, yet you criticise the British press for exposing corruption etc (Yes, of course NOTW reporters went too far and acted illegally.)

And then people here bemoan a corrupt and non transparent govt, yet when people calling for investigations you belittle those requests.

Bakes, I wasn't being sarcastic when I asked for your input. I really want to know if there are charges that should be laid at the feet of Warner and TTFF. I cannot believe for a second that a first world country (or one aspiring to be first world) would allow a govt minister to remain in his post while bringing this much shame and embarrassment upon his country.

Its no longer about being right or wrong legally. The man has chosen to avoid giving evidence to defend himself, so even if he is totally innocent, he will always be perceived as guilty. If he had any honour he would put his country first and step away. If he feels he's more important than his country's and party's image, they should ask him to leave. Kamla got enough to deal with without all this drama.

Now I'm really starting to feel like we're back on the hamster wheel.... but I'll get to that in a second.

I never criticized the British press for "exposing corruption" in fact I pointedly stated that some of the "power" they have has been used for good... I didn't elaborate, but yes by keeping public officials and others honest.  But some of the influences has been used in farcical situations... such as that typical of the tabloids, prying into peoples lives and creating a public hubub about what is essentially private peccadilloes by human beings no more infallible than the very reporters criticizing the subjects.  This is what I sometimes "chuckle" at the press becoming almost a caricature of itself and in some cases a law unto itself.  Let's not act like the English press is all scrupulous and ethical.

I don't "belittle" the requests for information... I scratch my head at the tenuous links being drawn to private action and government responsibility.  It's obvious to me the disconnect which is why perhaps I don't entertain it as much as proponents would like.  Look I don't like Jack Warner's personality and his handling of his business affairs and "our" football as much as the next man.... but that said, whatever Warner does in his FIFA role is largely unconnected to his Government role.  I understand what you and others are saying with regards to bribery by a public official, even in his private capacity... and don't disagree at all with that concern.  Its unbecoming of leadership.  But part of me is like... okay FIFA took its ball away from him and all he has now is his government gig... which itself has been marginalized.  And all of that and he's actually doing a "good" job in his portfolio.  Now that doesn't mean that we should forget about whatever happened back in May... I'm just expressing my own personal ambivalence.  On one hand I'd like to see him pay for his corrupt ways, and in the other I'm wondering how much is too much?

Now that is as far as the ethical inquiries are concerned.  If he did anything illegal I think he definitely ought to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.  Except I get the sense that people (not calling any names  ;D) getting excited over the criminal equivalent of some traffic tickets.  He facilitated a bribe (not illegal), may have brought money illegally into the country... *shrug* etc.  To me the most serious offense, the one which I'm really interested in is whether he gave some sort of guarantee to the CFU officials to bypass customs... in other words, did he misuse his public authority in order to facilitate a circumvention of the laws.  I definitely would like to see that one investigated.

But we've already been down this road.... hence my hamster wheel comment.

The one thing you suggested that I did think was ridiculous was the dragging the TTFF in front of Parliament thing.  Unless the issue is the misappropriation of public funds then the bribery thing involving Jack... not even the TTFF... Jack in his personal capacity as FIFA Exec.  You want the TTFF to answer what exactly?  The central problem here is that Jack was wearing too many hats until recently, so much so that people having a hard time recognizing when he's acting in which capacity... and that itself was becoming a problem.  Fortunately it looks as though circumstances have stepped in to address that without waiting on him... or Kamla.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on July 26, 2011, 11:57:31 PM
Ok, Bakes, good post! 

My reasoning regarding a governmental inquiry is that TTFF represent T&T football internationally and nationally. For years they have been involved in scandal after scandal, usually at the cost of Trinis (WC ticket overpricing, overselling tickets for HC, missing funds, blacklisting players etc and now possibly earning a FIFA ban) No national organisation should be allowed to continue this behaviour without explaining itself, yet TTFF answers to no one.

Heres a scenario that could possibly happen: TTFF refuse to respond to FIFA. FIFA ban TTFF for 6 months. Our 2014 and Olympic preperations will be in tatters. The public should know why TTFF are willing to disrupt our football. Why are they not giving evidence? Only reason is that they are protecting someone. Whether that be Warner, Camps, Groden, whoever, that persons guilt will cause T&T football to suffer. And what can we do? Nothing.

That can't be allowed to happen. These people must answer to someone. Governments have to, police have to, banks and businesses have to, but not TTFF? That can't be right.

But I cannot think of another soloution. TTFF have a stranglehold on our football and have been squeezing away at our throats for years. Enough is enough. 
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Flex on July 27, 2011, 03:58:55 AM
FIFA bin Hammam CFU probe
FIFA awaits T&T meeting report today
T&T Guardian Reports.


The Football Federation of Trinidad and Tobago is one of 25 members within the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) that has until today to submit a report to FIFA. On Monday FIFA started further investigation into the meeting of Caribbean football officials which took place on May 10 at the Hyatt Regency Hotel in Port-of-Spain and led to Mohamed bin Hammam being banned from football for life.

Football’s governing body has sought information from all Caribbean Football Union (CFU) member associations about the meeting in Trinidad and Tobago on May 10-11. It was during that meeting that bin Hammam was alleged to have offered bribes to Caribbean football associations in exchange for votes in his later-abandoned FIFA presidency bid.

He was found guilty of corruption and banned for life by FIFA’s ethics committee on Saturday. Bin Hammam says he will appeal. FIFA said in a statement: “FIFA has sent a letter yesterday 25 July to all CFU associations, asking the associations, their presidents, and any of their members with knowledge of anything that transpired during the meetings held on 10 and 11 May in Trinidad and Tobago, to provide and report all relevant information in their possession within 48 hours.

“Truthful and complete reporting will be considered in mitigation by the ethics committee when deciding on potential sanctions.” “Any person who has relevant information but does not come forward during this 48 hour period will be subject to the full range of sanctions.” “Following this 48 hour period, the FIFA Ethics Committee will be asked to open the necessary ethics proceedings,” FIFA said.

Cuba was the only CFY member association which did not attend the meeting on 10 and 11 May, where bin Hammam spoke about his campaign to replace Sepp Blatter as Fifa president. Officials from nine associations told investigators last month they were given or offered cash gifts. The other 15 denied receiving any cash gifts or refused to meet investigators. Four associations did not respond to invitations to meet investigators—Anguilla, Antigua and Barbuda, Dominica and Montserrat.

A further 11 associations did send officials to meet investigators but denied receiving cash gifts. They were: Barbados, Guyana, British Virgin Islands, Dominican Republic, Haiti, Jamaica, St Kitts and Nevis, St Lucia, St Vincent and Grenadines, Trinidad & Tobago and United States Virgin Islands.

Former Asian Football Confederation chief bin Hammam was the most senior official to be banned by Fifa in its 107-year history, but told the BBC on Sunday: “Let me make this clear—I have never paid money for votes in all my life.” The 62-year-old intends to take his case to the Court of Arbitration for Sport in Switzerland.

TIMELINE

•March 18, 2011—bin Hammam announces Fifa presidency campaign.
•May 25—Fifa announces it is to investigate four officials - including Bin Hammam and vice-president Jack •Warner—following bribery allegations.
•May 27—Bin Hammam suggests Blatter knew about alleged bribery payments, and there is a conspiracy to stop his campaign.
•May 29—Bin Hammam withdraws his candidacy but vows to clear his name over allegations. Fifa suspends Bin Hammam and Warner from all football-related activity and opens full investigation.
•June 1—Blatter re-elected as Fifa president
•June 20—Warner resigns from posts in international football, therefore avoiding investigation
•July 23—Fifa bans bin Hammam from football-related activity for life

“Truthful and complete reporting will be considered in mitigation by the ethics committee when deciding on potential sanctions. “Any person who has relevant information but does not come forward during this 48-hour period will be subject to the full range of sanctions. “Following this 48-hour period, the ethics committee will be asked to open the necessary ethics proceedings.”
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: just cool on July 27, 2011, 11:02:23 AM
I've been wondering if FIFA will ban the federations that was involved in this bribery scandal from the very beginning. ppl talkin all kinda ting about jack warner blazer and bin hammam, but no one eh study the real issue, what fifa might be trying tuh do to CFU members, and not necessarily the federation presidents , but the federation it self.

this could spell another stint of suffering for football lover in T&T, BC we dun know dat camps and dem doh care if the ship go down wid dem, as ah matter of fact they would rather it so.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on July 27, 2011, 01:42:27 PM
I've been wondering if FIFA will ban the federations that was involved in this bribery scandal from the very beginning. ppl talkin all kinda ting about jack warner blazer and bin hammam, but no one eh study the real issue, what fifa might be trying tuh do to CFU members, and not necessarily the federation presidents , but the federation it self.

this could spell another stint of suffering for football lover in T&T, BC we dun know dat camps and dem doh care if the ship go down wid dem, as ah matter of fact they would rather it so.

Anything and I mean anything that brings about change and a new regime or a revamped TTFF is a good thing!!

I would personally welcome a 6 months ban if it means that Scamps and crew have to go and we can put a new more transparent & accountable regime in place!

What on earth yuh talking about another stint of suffering? The suffering hasn't & will never stop with that current unaccountable regime in place!

I personally will celebrate if we get a 6 months ban once it means that old regime has to go and we can put a new accountable & more professional crew with fresh ideas in place once the dust has cleared! :beermug:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Conquering Lion on July 27, 2011, 06:38:47 PM
Ok, Bakes, good post! 

My reasoning regarding a governmental inquiry is that TTFF represent T&T football internationally and nationally. For years they have been involved in scandal after scandal, usually at the cost of Trinis (WC ticket overpricing, overselling tickets for HC, missing funds, blacklisting players etc and now possibly earning a FIFA ban) No national organisation should be allowed to continue this behaviour without explaining itself, yet TTFF answers to no one.

Heres a scenario that could possibly happen: TTFF refuse to respond to FIFA. FIFA ban TTFF for 6 months. Our 2014 and Olympic preperations will be in tatters. The public should know why TTFF are willing to disrupt our football. Why are they not giving evidence? Only reason is that they are protecting someone. Whether that be Warner, Camps, Groden, whoever, that persons guilt will cause T&T football to suffer. And what can we do? Nothing.

That can't be allowed to happen. These people must answer to someone. Governments have to, police have to, banks and businesses have to, but not TTFF? That can't be right.

But I cannot think of another soloution. TTFF have a stranglehold on our football and have been squeezing away at our throats for years. Enough is enough. 

Aaarrm.....I think we already in tatters.

I think that the right questions are not being asked (or being ignored). We are confusing morals & ethics with what is the law. If Jack broke the law, then it is up to the laws of T&T to decide his fate (which in Trinidad is no scene).

With regard to the said meeting, obviously somebody packed the envelopes (either Jack without bin Hammam knowing, bin Hammam himself, or Jack and MBM in collusion). The precise scenario may never be known, but we cannot forget the dirty politics behind the scenes. Why is FIFA on this witch hunt, and why is Blazer at the forefront in all of this yet immune to questioning with regard to his exact role?

Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on July 27, 2011, 10:25:20 PM
Ok, Bakes, good post! 

My reasoning regarding a governmental inquiry is that TTFF represent T&T football internationally and nationally. For years they have been involved in scandal after scandal, usually at the cost of Trinis (WC ticket overpricing, overselling tickets for HC, missing funds, blacklisting players etc and now possibly earning a FIFA ban) No national organisation should be allowed to continue this behaviour without explaining itself, yet TTFF answers to no one.

Heres a scenario that could possibly happen: TTFF refuse to respond to FIFA. FIFA ban TTFF for 6 months. Our 2014 and Olympic preperations will be in tatters. The public should know why TTFF are willing to disrupt our football. Why are they not giving evidence? Only reason is that they are protecting someone. Whether that be Warner, Camps, Groden, whoever, that persons guilt will cause T&T football to suffer. And what can we do? Nothing.

That can't be allowed to happen. These people must answer to someone. Governments have to, police have to, banks and businesses have to, but not TTFF? That can't be right.

But I cannot think of another soloution. TTFF have a stranglehold on our football and have been squeezing away at our throats for years. Enough is enough. 

Breds... the quicker you set aside this delusion, the sooner you'll start safeguarding both your mental health and your peace of mind.  TTFF "represents" TnT football the way FIFA "represents" world football.  Nobody vote them in, ask them to serve, nominate them... they appoint themselves and as such are accountable to no one.  They good at laying a guilt trip on government in order to get financial support but as soon as the money hit their accounts they does bawl "ha haa... SUCKERS!"

Dai'z TnT football.  TTFF is a FIFA franchise... until government grow a pair and fans band dey belly for some tough decisions... until local footballers willing to "band dey belly" as de ole people does say... then 'we' football will never be "we football".

Don't get me wrong... you are looking at it the way any logical person would.  The problem is you cannot logically analyze an inherent illogical and broken enterprise.  I cannot begin to tell you how frustrated it makes me when I really stop and think about where the TTFF is... compared to where it should be.  Forget about the product on the field... from a sheer business perspective, the TTFF is a subsidiary of a hugely profitable multinational corporation, which over the past 10 years has turned a profit of around US$9bn.. and today sits on a US$1bn war chest.  Yet taking a page out of the "How to Shoot Yourself in the Ass" handbook of management, Jack Warner and Camps  et al have squandered whatever share of that money right down the drain.  They chose to cut off their nose in order to spite their face on this WC bonus issue, not realizing that whatever they had to pay the players could easily have been recouped in two WC cycles.  Instead, we're going into our second cycle, football and pockets skin out like ah George St. jammette on ah Friday night.  It hard to force change from the outside so, man just have to continue shaking they head as they bid their time.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on July 27, 2011, 10:36:29 PM
Why is FIFA on this witch hunt, and why is Blazer at the forefront in all of this yet immune to questioning with regard to his exact role?



Nobody ent questioning Blazer because is them who either set the train in motion, or who grease the skids to make sure it keep rolling once it started.  Which is why I can't take them serious... all the trumpet they trumpeting this "ethics" talk.  Blazer is a CONCACAF executive... in corporate terms he's an insider.  Yet he set up a company in the Caymans (outside US oversight) and somehow manage to set up a contract between that company and CONCACAF for the company (Sportsvision) to market CONCACAF TV rights.  He paid himself a 10% commission for 'arranging' the deal... US$2m... $2m CONCACAF dollars straight into his pockets... ontop of his CONCACAF salary, the CONCACAF expense account (Amex black card), and FIFA salary.

I said something about it on Bill Archer's blog over on Bigsoccer.com and all ah dem jump on mih case... how I talking nonsense.  Archer self, that c**t... even tell mih "I have no argument" before blocking me from posting on his blog.  FS... THIS is what I was talking about back when this thing first started... none of these fackers give's a mangy rat's ass about corruption.  They replaced the corrupt Trinidadian with the corrupt American and all is well in the universe.  Now that Bin Hammam has been banned all they concerned about is whether this means FIFA will now take the 2022 Cup and give it to the US.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on July 28, 2011, 06:58:22 AM
I agree, its like watching two Mafia families, with one ratting on the other. One trying to be legitimate, while we all know the empire was built on funny money. 
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Coop's on July 28, 2011, 07:46:23 AM
I agree, its like watching two Mafia families, with one ratting on the other. One trying to be legitimate, while we all know the empire was built on funny money. 
      You agree with that !!!!!!! doh make me laugh here  :devil:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Trinitozbone on July 28, 2011, 02:35:17 PM
This is my reading of the way FIFA operates too!
You should read the book- How they stole the game by David Yallop. Mafia, politics in football!
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Brownsugar on July 28, 2011, 05:22:07 PM
One day, I promise to sit down and read de back and forth between Bakes and FS on this thread....one day.......soon..... ;D
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: dreamer on July 28, 2011, 05:36:34 PM
The FIFA report on Jackula is out and circulating people. 

Very reliable sources say is real dangerous finger pointing info. Jackula gorn tru. Uncle Seppos not easy nah. Like he wha' kill de man or wha'.....   :'(   What a ting.
 
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on July 29, 2011, 04:29:48 AM
The FIFA report on Jackula is out and circulating people. 

Very reliable sources say is real dangerous finger pointing info. Jackula gorn tru. Uncle Seppos not easy nah. Like he wha' kill de man or wha'.....   :'(   What a ting.

Why the crocodile tears?! I would have expected tears from Jack Horner, not you!  ;)
Title: Sports court lifts Bin Hammam's soccer life ban in FIFA presidential election br
Post by: Bitter on July 19, 2012, 08:23:59 AM
Bin Hammam Wins Appeal in FIFA Bribery Case
By GRAHAM DUNBAR
GENEVA abcnews.go.com
http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/bin-hammam-wins-appeal-fifa-bribery-case-16810469?singlePage=true#.UAgWCGFfF3U

Sports court lifts Bin Hammam's soccer life ban in FIFA presidential election bribery case
The Associated Press

Former FIFA presidential candidate Mohamed bin Hammam won his case against a life ban from soccer on Thursday for allegedly bribing voters during his challenge to Sepp Blatter.

However, the Court of Arbitration for Sport said its panel was not convinced Bin Hammam is innocent of corruption — but it overturned the ban because FIFA failed to find conclusive evidence.

"It is a situation of 'case not proven,' coupled with concern on the part of the Panel that the FIFA investigation was not complete or comprehensive enough to fill the gaps in the record," sport's highest court said in a statement.

Despite the legal victory, Bin Hammam's bid to clear his name is far from over.

Bin Hammam faces new charges of bribery at the Asian Football Confederation, which claimed this week that its president's financial management was revealed in a forensic audit of the governing body's accounts.

FIFA responded to the CAS verdict "with concern", saying it will ask its newly appointed independent prosecutor Michael J. Garcia to re-examine the case.

"The FIFA Ethics Committee will then decide based on the reports and evidence presented to it if any action is required to be taken against Mohamed bin Hammam," FIFA said in a statement.

Bin Hammam's victory at CAS will only partly restore his shattered reputation.

The panel, which was split 2-1 in his favor, "is not making any sort of affirmative finding of innocence in relation to Mr. Bin Hammam," the court said. "It is more likely than not that Mr. Bin Hammam was the source of the monies that were brought into Trinidad and Tobago" at an election campaign rally in May 2011.

FIFA got evidence from Caribbean whistleblowers who said they were offered $40,000 cash bribes during the 63-year-old Qatari's electioneering visit.

Bin Hammam denied wrongdoing, claiming Blatter helped orchestrate a scandal to guarantee his election victory unopposed a few weeks later.

The ruling Thursday followed a two-day hearing in April at the court in Lausanne, Switzerland.

Bin Hammam, who refused to attend FIFA hearings that enforced the life ban, did not attend or testify. Blatter gave evidence by video link from FIFA headquarters in Zurich.

FIFA's failed prosecution used evidence gathered by an investigations agency led by former FBI director Louis Freeh, which was hired to conduct the probe.

Freeh's team reported that it found "substantial credible evidence that cash was offered to and accepted" by Caribbean Football Union delegates after Bin Hammam made his election pitch at a hotel in Port of Spain.

FIFA's code of ethics prohibits officials receiving any cash gifts, yet Caribbean officials were given brown envelopes stuffed with piles of $100 bills.

On Thursday, the CAS panel published its dissatisfaction with the quality of evidence.

"No efforts were made to trace the source of (the) banknotes that were photographed," the court said. The panel "recognizes that it is possible to infer that the failure of Mr. Bin Hammam to carry out that relatively simple exercise in the course of these proceedings might be explained by the fact that it would have confirmed that he was the source."

Elected to lead Asian soccer in 2002, bin Hammam launched his bid to lead the world governing body last year just months after helping Qatar win 2022 World Cup hosting rights.

Bin Hammam and Blatter were locked in a tight race for the presidency and 25 CFU countries were thought to hold the balance of power among the 208 FIFA member nations.

Whistleblowers testified that FIFA vice president Jack Warner, the longtime strongman of Caribbean soccer, told them he advised bin Hammam to bring cash instead of formal gifts to the meeting.

The AFC allegations, concerning bribery and mismanagement of commercial contracts, will block bin Hammam from an immediate return to his office in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. The AFC imposed a 30-day suspension on him this week. He is also prevented from retaking his seat at FIFA's executive committee table.

Bin Hammam has represented Asia on FIFA's executive committee since 1996. He was elected AFC president in 2002, and was serving his final four-year mandate when the FIFA election scandal rocked soccer.

United Arab Emirates Football Association President Yousuf al-Sarkal called for the AFC to reinstate its leader.

"This is to be fair to the man," al-Sarkal, who is a member of the AFC's executive board, told The Associated Press. "He has gone through enough of allegations and accusations. It's not fair for an individual who has served football in the right way."

Bin Hammam had once been Blatter's close ally and worked as a campaign manager for his previous FIFA election victories in 1998 and 2002.

However, the Qatari official expressed growing frustration in claiming that the now 76-year-old Swiss reneged on promises to step down.

———
AP Sports Writer Mike Casey contributed to this report from Dubai.
———
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socafan on July 19, 2012, 03:57:25 PM
Bin Hammam Wins Appeal in FIFA Bribery Case
By GRAHAM DUNBAR
GENEVA abcnews.go.com
http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/bin-hammam-wins-appeal-fifa-bribery-case-16810469?singlePage=true#.UAgWCGFfF3U

Sports court lifts Bin Hammam's soccer life ban in FIFA presidential election bribery case
The Associated Press

Former FIFA presidential candidate Mohamed bin Hammam won his case against a life ban from soccer on Thursday for allegedly bribing voters during his challenge to Sepp Blatter.

However, the Court of Arbitration for Sport said its panel was not convinced Bin Hammam is innocent of corruption — but it overturned the ban because FIFA failed to find conclusive evidence.

"It is a situation of 'case not proven,' coupled with concern on the part of the Panel that the FIFA investigation was not complete or comprehensive enough to fill the gaps in the record," sport's highest court said in a statement.

Despite the legal victory, Bin Hammam's bid to clear his name is far from over.

Bin Hammam faces new charges of bribery at the Asian Football Confederation, which claimed this week that its president's financial management was revealed in a forensic audit of the governing body's accounts.

FIFA responded to the CAS verdict "with concern", saying it will ask its newly appointed independent prosecutor Michael J. Garcia to re-examine the case.

"The FIFA Ethics Committee will then decide based on the reports and evidence presented to it if any action is required to be taken against Mohamed bin Hammam," FIFA said in a statement.

Bin Hammam's victory at CAS will only partly restore his shattered reputation.

The panel, which was split 2-1 in his favor, "is not making any sort of affirmative finding of innocence in relation to Mr. Bin Hammam," the court said. "It is more likely than not that Mr. Bin Hammam was the source of the monies that were brought into Trinidad and Tobago" at an election campaign rally in May 2011.

FIFA got evidence from Caribbean whistleblowers who said they were offered $40,000 cash bribes during the 63-year-old Qatari's electioneering visit.

Bin Hammam denied wrongdoing, claiming Blatter helped orchestrate a scandal to guarantee his election victory unopposed a few weeks later.

The ruling Thursday followed a two-day hearing in April at the court in Lausanne, Switzerland.

Bin Hammam, who refused to attend FIFA hearings that enforced the life ban, did not attend or testify. Blatter gave evidence by video link from FIFA headquarters in Zurich.

FIFA's failed prosecution used evidence gathered by an investigations agency led by former FBI director Louis Freeh, which was hired to conduct the probe.

Freeh's team reported that it found "substantial credible evidence that cash was offered to and accepted" by Caribbean Football Union delegates after Bin Hammam made his election pitch at a hotel in Port of Spain.

FIFA's code of ethics prohibits officials receiving any cash gifts, yet Caribbean officials were given brown envelopes stuffed with piles of $100 bills.

On Thursday, the CAS panel published its dissatisfaction with the quality of evidence.

"No efforts were made to trace the source of (the) banknotes that were photographed," the court said. The panel "recognizes that it is possible to infer that the failure of Mr. Bin Hammam to carry out that relatively simple exercise in the course of these proceedings might be explained by the fact that it would have confirmed that he was the source."

Elected to lead Asian soccer in 2002, bin Hammam launched his bid to lead the world governing body last year just months after helping Qatar win 2022 World Cup hosting rights.

Bin Hammam and Blatter were locked in a tight race for the presidency and 25 CFU countries were thought to hold the balance of power among the 208 FIFA member nations.

Whistleblowers testified that FIFA vice president Jack Warner, the longtime strongman of Caribbean soccer, told them he advised bin Hammam to bring cash instead of formal gifts to the meeting.

The AFC allegations, concerning bribery and mismanagement of commercial contracts, will block bin Hammam from an immediate return to his office in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. The AFC imposed a 30-day suspension on him this week. He is also prevented from retaking his seat at FIFA's executive committee table.

Bin Hammam has represented Asia on FIFA's executive committee since 1996. He was elected AFC president in 2002, and was serving his final four-year mandate when the FIFA election scandal rocked soccer.

United Arab Emirates Football Association President Yousuf al-Sarkal called for the AFC to reinstate its leader.

"This is to be fair to the man," al-Sarkal, who is a member of the AFC's executive board, told The Associated Press. "He has gone through enough of allegations and accusations. It's not fair for an individual who has served football in the right way."

Bin Hammam had once been Blatter's close ally and worked as a campaign manager for his previous FIFA election victories in 1998 and 2002.

However, the Qatari official expressed growing frustration in claiming that the now 76-year-old Swiss reneged on promises to step down.

———
AP Sports Writer Mike Casey contributed to this report from Dubai.
———

??? :o Hold on....but doesn't this whole thing hinge on BinHammam bringing money to bribe? Then if he is cleared of that, or at least they can't conclusively prove that he did that, then doesn't the whole so called "bribery" scandal go away?? What ah missing? Yuh can clear the man who supposedly bringing the money to bribe, but still convict the "bribees"?? And now they want him get reinstated, which to be fair......

This is some crazyness.......LOL

Doesn't this mean that Jack could "rise again"?? Look trouble.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Coop's on July 19, 2012, 05:52:02 PM
 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Socapro on July 19, 2012, 10:06:01 PM
Bin Hammam Wins Appeal in FIFA Bribery Case
By GRAHAM DUNBAR
GENEVA abcnews.go.com
http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/bin-hammam-wins-appeal-fifa-bribery-case-16810469?singlePage=true#.UAgWCGFfF3U

Sports court lifts Bin Hammam's soccer life ban in FIFA presidential election bribery case
The Associated Press

Former FIFA presidential candidate Mohamed bin Hammam won his case against a life ban from soccer on Thursday for allegedly bribing voters during his challenge to Sepp Blatter.

However, the Court of Arbitration for Sport said its panel was not convinced Bin Hammam is innocent of corruption — but it overturned the ban because FIFA failed to find conclusive evidence.

"It is a situation of 'case not proven,' coupled with concern on the part of the Panel that the FIFA investigation was not complete or comprehensive enough to fill the gaps in the record," sport's highest court said in a statement.

Despite the legal victory, Bin Hammam's bid to clear his name is far from over.

Bin Hammam faces new charges of bribery at the Asian Football Confederation, which claimed this week that its president's financial management was revealed in a forensic audit of the governing body's accounts.

FIFA responded to the CAS verdict "with concern", saying it will ask its newly appointed independent prosecutor Michael J. Garcia to re-examine the case.

"The FIFA Ethics Committee will then decide based on the reports and evidence presented to it if any action is required to be taken against Mohamed bin Hammam," FIFA said in a statement.

Bin Hammam's victory at CAS will only partly restore his shattered reputation.

The panel, which was split 2-1 in his favor, "is not making any sort of affirmative finding of innocence in relation to Mr. Bin Hammam," the court said. "It is more likely than not that Mr. Bin Hammam was the source of the monies that were brought into Trinidad and Tobago" at an election campaign rally in May 2011.

FIFA got evidence from Caribbean whistleblowers who said they were offered $40,000 cash bribes during the 63-year-old Qatari's electioneering visit.

Bin Hammam denied wrongdoing, claiming Blatter helped orchestrate a scandal to guarantee his election victory unopposed a few weeks later.

The ruling Thursday followed a two-day hearing in April at the court in Lausanne, Switzerland.

Bin Hammam, who refused to attend FIFA hearings that enforced the life ban, did not attend or testify. Blatter gave evidence by video link from FIFA headquarters in Zurich.

FIFA's failed prosecution used evidence gathered by an investigations agency led by former FBI director Louis Freeh, which was hired to conduct the probe.

Freeh's team reported that it found "substantial credible evidence that cash was offered to and accepted" by Caribbean Football Union delegates after Bin Hammam made his election pitch at a hotel in Port of Spain.

FIFA's code of ethics prohibits officials receiving any cash gifts, yet Caribbean officials were given brown envelopes stuffed with piles of $100 bills.

On Thursday, the CAS panel published its dissatisfaction with the quality of evidence.

"No efforts were made to trace the source of (the) banknotes that were photographed," the court said. The panel "recognizes that it is possible to infer that the failure of Mr. Bin Hammam to carry out that relatively simple exercise in the course of these proceedings might be explained by the fact that it would have confirmed that he was the source."

Elected to lead Asian soccer in 2002, bin Hammam launched his bid to lead the world governing body last year just months after helping Qatar win 2022 World Cup hosting rights.

Bin Hammam and Blatter were locked in a tight race for the presidency and 25 CFU countries were thought to hold the balance of power among the 208 FIFA member nations.

Whistleblowers testified that FIFA vice president Jack Warner, the longtime strongman of Caribbean soccer, told them he advised bin Hammam to bring cash instead of formal gifts to the meeting.

The AFC allegations, concerning bribery and mismanagement of commercial contracts, will block bin Hammam from an immediate return to his office in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. The AFC imposed a 30-day suspension on him this week. He is also prevented from retaking his seat at FIFA's executive committee table.

Bin Hammam has represented Asia on FIFA's executive committee since 1996. He was elected AFC president in 2002, and was serving his final four-year mandate when the FIFA election scandal rocked soccer.

United Arab Emirates Football Association President Yousuf al-Sarkal called for the AFC to reinstate its leader.

"This is to be fair to the man," al-Sarkal, who is a member of the AFC's executive board, told The Associated Press. "He has gone through enough of allegations and accusations. It's not fair for an individual who has served football in the right way."

Bin Hammam had once been Blatter's close ally and worked as a campaign manager for his previous FIFA election victories in 1998 and 2002.

However, the Qatari official expressed growing frustration in claiming that the now 76-year-old Swiss reneged on promises to step down.

———
AP Sports Writer Mike Casey contributed to this report from Dubai.
———

??? :o Hold on....but doesn't this whole thing hinge on BinHammam bringing money to bribe? Then if he is cleared of that, or at least they can't conclusively prove that he did that, then doesn't the whole so called "bribery" scandal go away?? What ah missing? Yuh can clear the man who supposedly bringing the money to bribe, but still convict the "bribees"?? And now they want him get reinstated, which to be fair......

This is some crazyness.......LOL

Doesn't this mean that Jack could "rise again"?? Look trouble.
More proof that yuh cyah kill Jackula even when yuh think yuh drive ah stake thru his heart!

Could Jackula raise from the dead again and be more powerful than ever?
Will he officially announce that his real name is Renraw the Prince of Darkness who is also Minister of Nation Insecurity?
What will Andew Jennings have to say or will he suffer a heart attack?
Tune in next week at the same time on this same T&T Channel! :devil:
Title: Jack on CFU support for FIFA's Blatter as Bin Hammam's ban thrown out
Post by: Socapro on July 19, 2012, 10:24:06 PM
RELATED NEWS

Jack on CFU support for FIFA's Blatter as Bin Hammam's ban thrown out:
By Renuka Singh (T&T Express).


FATHER, FORGIVE THEM

National Security Minister Jack Warner yesterday said he felt "relieved" and vindicated after the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) annulled the FIFA-imposed lifetime ban on former FIFA presidential candidate, Mohamed Bin Hammam.
 
Warner, accompanied by his legal adviser attorney Om Lalla, who is currently a legal member of CAS, spoke on the issue at a media conference at the Ministry of National Security in Temple Court on Abercromby Street, Port of Spain, yesterday.
 
"I waited a little more than a year for this day and now I feel, not only in a sense relieved, but I feel comforted," Warner said, adding that a few friends, including Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar, never lost faith in him during the difficult time.
 
Warner said if he had not resigned as FIFA vice president in June last year, he too would have been found not guilty by the CAS.
 
"But I was not prepared to go through this charade," Warner said.

Just over a year ago, both Warner and Bin Hammam were suspended from FIFA after reports alleged that several Caribbean Football Union (CFU) associates were offered bribes of US$40,000 during a meeting at the Hyatt Regency hotel in Port of Spain last May.
 
Warner and Bin Hammam (who had challenged Sepp Blatter for the FIFA presidency), were accused of giving the bribes to delegates of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU).
 
No action was taken against Warner as he resigned his executive position while a lifetime ban was imposed against Bin Hammam.
 
"Very early, I said to you all wait and even today I tell you again, more is coming, so wait, guys, wait," he said.
 
Warner claimed current FIFA president Sepp Blatter controlled "every rung" of the internal FIFA ladder including the Ethics Committee. He said the only reason he did not stay and fight his case alongside Bin Hammam was because he "could not afford it".
 
"I felt, therefore, the best course was to leave FIFA alone. Look, I don't even want to go close to FIFA anymore. They send magazines, I don't even read them. I want nothing to do with them," Warner said.
 
He said in its 108 years of existence, FIFA has never lost an appeal or disciplinary hearing.
 
"I must go in that?" he asked, adding that FIFA was run on Blatter's hearsay and not by the law.
 
He said CAS, comprising of three "qualified judges", lifted the ban against Bin Hammam because they found FIFA's evidence to be "insufficient" to convict him.
 
"When you check that the head of FIFA Ethics Committee is Blatter's good friend and all of them who he hand-picked imposed a ban for life, three qualified judges said it was not so," he said.
 
"The crime committed in Blatter's eyes was that an opponent (Bin Hammam) was going against him to change the structure of FIFA. That is why I opposed Blatter in the election," he said.
 
"I was his right-hand man until I said enough was enough," he said.

Warner said he would "never" return to the world of football as long as Blatter sat at its helm.
 
"I left football, I dust my feet off football a year ago and that is a permanent position," he said.
 
"I want nothing from football and I do not expect to go back to football in the long term or the short term," he said.
 
Warner was magnanimous towards the CFU members that took Blatter's side during the height of the split between Blatter and himself.
 
"When last you hear anything about the CFU? I would say Father forgive them for they know not what they do," he said.
 
He said the CFU committee did not have the bigger countries under its purview anymore, which was Blatter's way of undermining the voting strength of a regional football confederation.
 
He predicted that because of this move, regional football had a "dim" future.

He said FIFA's "reprehensible conduct" was becoming "unmasked".

"And I will tell you that no weapon formed against me shall prosper, none whatsoever," he said.

Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on July 20, 2012, 12:17:12 AM
This is a slightly different version of events. Although the appeal was won, there is strong suspicion of wrongdoing and another example of poor evidence collecting. Note the comments in bold.


(Reuters) - Former FIFA presidential candidate Mohamed Bin Hammam has won his appeal at the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) against a life ban from all soccer-related activity over bribery allegations.

However, CAS said the decision did not amount to an "affirmative finding of innocence" for Bin Hammam, saying that FIFA's investigation had not been through enough, and that the case could be re-opened with new evidence.

FIFA said it noted the outcome "with concern".

Qatari Bin Hammam remained suspended from the game after the Asian Football Confederation (AFC), which he previously headed, opened a disciplinary case against their former boss over alleged financial wrongdong earlier this week.

He was banned for 30 days, which was extended to a worldwide ban by FIFA on Wednesday.

"The CAS has upheld Bin Hammam's appeal, annulled the decision rendered by the FIFA Appeal Committee and lifted the life ban imposed on Mr Bin Hammam," the CAS statement read.

Bin Hammam, a former member of FIFA's executive committee, challenged Sepp Blatter for the presidency of soccer's world ruling body last year.

He withdrew his candidacy, and was then provisionally suspended, days before the June election over allegations that he had tried to buy the votes of Caribbean officials by handing them $40,000 each in brown envelopes at a meeting in Port of Spain.

Blatter was subsequently re-elected unopposed for a fourth term as FIFA president, while Bin Hammam was found guilty of breaking seven articles of FIFA's ethics code, including one on bribery.

He was banned for life and subsequently lost an appeal at FIFA. Proceedings against former CONCACAF president Jack Warner, also present at the meeting in Trinidad & Tobago, were dropped after he resigned his post.

CAS said the three-man panel voted 2-1 in Bin Hammam's favor but added that his behavior was "not of the highest ethical standard."

"It is more likely than not that Mr. Bin Hammam was the source of the monies that were brought into Trinidad and Tobago and eventually distributed at the meeting by Mr Warner," said CAS.

"In this way, his conduct, in collaboration with and most likely induced by Mr Warner, may not have complied with the highest ethical standards that should govern the world of football and other sports," said CAS.

"This is all the more so at the elevated levels of football governance at which individuals such as Mr. Bin Hammam and Mr. Warner have operated in the past.

"The Panel therefore wishes to make clear that in applying the law, as it is required to do under the CAS Code, it is not making any sort of affirmative finding of innocence in relation to Mr Bin Hammam.

"It is a situation of 'case not proven', coupled with concern on the part of the Panel that the FIFA investigation was not complete or comprehensive enough to fill the gaps in the record."

CAS added: "In its conclusion, the Panel noted that FIFA was in the process of reforming its ethics committee and that, in the event new evidence relating to the present case was discovered, it would be possible to re-open the case, in order to complete the factual background and to establish if Mr Bin Hamman has committed any violation of the FIFA Code of Ethics."

IMAGE PROBLEM

The decision is a further blow to FIFA, which is struggling to clean up its image after years of corruption allegations.

Last week, court documents were released which showed that former FIFA president Joao Havelange and former executive committee member Ricardo Teixeira took multi-million dollar bribes on World Cup deals in the 1990s.

Earlier this week, FIFA named two renowned crime-fighters from the United States and Germany to head the two divisions of its recently-reformed ethics committee.

FIFA said in its statement: "At FIFA level, all relevant files will now be handed over to the new FIFA Ethics Committee, which will start operating on July 25.

"The FIFA Ethics Committee will then decide based on the reports and evidence presented to it if any action is required to be taken against Mohamed Bin Hammam."
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: FF on July 20, 2012, 05:21:45 AM
thank you FS ... and people laughing yes
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Coop's on July 20, 2012, 06:15:18 AM
thank you FS ... and people laughing yes
     How u mean,laugh yes,what u want we to do,where is Lasana he always have the truth(the real storey) stop hiding lets here from u.People just want to victimize Jack and listening to what they want to hear,forget the ifs and buts and deal with the facts.
     I loveing it at home,everything live. 
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Big Magician on July 20, 2012, 09:07:29 AM
this man funny yes
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on July 20, 2012, 10:17:01 AM
thank you FS ... and people laughing yes
     How u mean,laugh yes,what u want we to do,where is Lasana he always have the truth(the real storey) stop hiding lets here from u.People just want to victimize Jack and listening to what they want to hear,forget the ifs and buts and deal with the facts.
     I loveing it at home,everything live. 

Wired868 is offline until next week due to site improvements. I imagine Lasana is chomping at the bit.

Also, just to get some perspective on this, while Ian Alleyne happily informed the public on his show that Jack was cleared of all involvement, journalists in the rest of the world are treating this as confirmation that our Minister of National Security was indeed very much implicated.

We are living in a media vacuum where those who rely solely on local press and media reports (a large section of the electorate) are receiving a distorted set of facts to base their decisions upon. Crimewatch is the most watched programme here and Alleyne has become the people's hero. Thus, when he is stating incorrect facts, the people are being misled. Couple this with state TV and radio who are reporting issues with a govt slant and you have a virtual state controlled press and media. It's shocking that only a few weeks ago, hundreds of journalists came here for a conference and never picked up on this.   
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: FF on July 20, 2012, 10:21:50 AM
thank you FS ... and people laughing yes
     How u mean,laugh yes,what u want we to do,where is Lasana he always have the truth(the real storey) stop hiding lets here from u.People just want to victimize Jack and listening to what they want to hear,forget the ifs and buts and deal with the facts.
     I loveing it at home,everything live. 

You even read the Reuters article? What did you glean from that... you don't need Lasana to provide any facts. They are right there.

"Victimize jack" yes... now is my turn to laugh
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Trinimassive on July 20, 2012, 12:00:11 PM
Like it or not Bin Hammam did what ALL members of FIFA do. That was/is the way FIFA handle business. Jack been operating that way for years because that is the way they ALL do business.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on July 20, 2012, 12:02:16 PM
??? :o Hold on....but doesn't this whole thing hinge on BinHammam bringing money to bribe? Then if he is cleared of that, or at least they can't conclusively prove that he did that, then doesn't the whole so called "bribery" scandal go away?? What ah missing? Yuh can clear the man who supposedly bringing the money to bribe, but still convict the "bribees"?? And now they want him get reinstated, which to be fair......

This is some crazyness.......LOL

Doesn't this mean that Jack could "rise again"?? Look trouble.

No.

The bribery scandal doesn't go away just because Bin Hamman was cleared.  The panel didn't conclude that no bribery took place... just that from the evidence, FIFA can't show with certainty that Bin Hamman was involved.  This means nothing where Jack is concerned... despite his usual crowing.  Anyone else implicated in the scandal have to clear their name by showing either that there was no bribery, or that even if there was bribery, they themselves were not involved.  Jack can't prove either of those... which is why he take front.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Coop's on July 20, 2012, 12:10:54 PM
Like it or not Bin Hammam did what ALL members of FIFA do. That was/is the way FIFA handle business. Jack been operating that way for years because that is the way they ALL do business.
      :beermug: :beermug: i have been saying that for years and people never understood what i was trying to say.It's all part of business as usual,who laugh last laugh the best.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: FF on July 20, 2012, 12:16:17 PM
Like it or not Bin Hammam did what ALL members of FIFA do. That was/is the way FIFA handle business. Jack been operating that way for years because that is the way they ALL do business.
      :beermug: :beermug: i have been saying that for years and people never understood what i was trying to say.It's all part of business as usual,who laugh last laugh the best.

Everybody always understand that... and exactly what you was trying to say. That is not no mystery. If you going to lie down in bed with crooks you better be a crook yourself. eh heh
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: truetrini on July 20, 2012, 12:23:52 PM
thank you FS ... and people laughing yes
     How u mean,laugh yes,what u want we to do,where is Lasana he always have the truth(the real storey) stop hiding lets here from u.People just want to victimize Jack and listening to what they want to hear,forget the ifs and buts and deal with the facts.
     I loveing it at home,everything live. 

Wired868 is offline until next week due to site improvements. I imagine Lasana is chomping at the bit.

Also, just to get some perspective on this, while Ian Alleyne happily informed the public on his show that Jack was cleared of all involvement, journalists in the rest of the world are treating this as confirmation that our Minister of National Security was indeed very much implicated.

We are living in a media vacuum where those who rely solely on local press and media reports (a large section of the electorate) are receiving a distorted set of facts to base their decisions upon. Crimewatch is the most watched programme here and Alleyne has become the people's hero. Thus, when he is stating incorrect facts, the people are being misled. Couple this with state TV and radio who are reporting issues with a govt slant and you have a virtual state controlled press and media. It's shocking that only a few weeks ago, hundreds of journalists came here for a conference and never picked up on this.   

champing at the bit..champing, horses champ not chomp. sorry a per peeve.

I cannot see how anyone with a little bit of a brain stem can read the release by the abritrators and come to the conclusion that Jack or Bin Hammam were cleared???
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on July 20, 2012, 02:17:15 PM
thank you FS ... and people laughing yes
     How u mean,laugh yes,what u want we to do,where is Lasana he always have the truth(the real storey) stop hiding lets here from u.People just want to victimize Jack and listening to what they want to hear,forget the ifs and buts and deal with the facts.
     I loveing it at home,everything live. 

Wired868 is offline until next week due to site improvements. I imagine Lasana is chomping at the bit.

Also, just to get some perspective on this, while Ian Alleyne happily informed the public on his show that Jack was cleared of all involvement, journalists in the rest of the world are treating this as confirmation that our Minister of National Security was indeed very much implicated.

We are living in a media vacuum where those who rely solely on local press and media reports (a large section of the electorate) are receiving a distorted set of facts to base their decisions upon. Crimewatch is the most watched programme here and Alleyne has become the people's hero. Thus, when he is stating incorrect facts, the people are being misled. Couple this with state TV and radio who are reporting issues with a govt slant and you have a virtual state controlled press and media. It's shocking that only a few weeks ago, hundreds of journalists came here for a conference and never picked up on this.   

champing at the bit..champing, horses champ not chomp. sorry a per peeve.

I cannot see how anyone with a little bit of a brain stem can read the release by the abritrators and come to the conclusion that Jack or Bin Hammam were cleared???

champing at the bit..champing, horses champ not chomp. sorry a per peeve.  :beermug:  Yeah, TT, I looked at that and spell checked it too. So I thought, nah, can't be champing lol. What does champing mean, anyway??
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: truetrini on July 20, 2012, 03:07:03 PM
its when they make a chewing action when they are addled and want to move on...that is why they use it to mean waiting imaptiently.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Football supporter on July 20, 2012, 03:10:25 PM
its when they make a chewing action when they are addled and want to move on...that is why they use it to mean waiting imaptiently.
   :beermug:
Title: Bin Hammam Case Closed
Post by: tempo on December 13, 2012, 12:25:35 PM
Hmmm, this is not a surprise and further confirms the notion that FIFA's action was politically motivated. Money handed out by the man running against the FIFA President is considered a "bribe" while money handed out by the FIFA President is considered "development". Perhaps Jack's main infraction was not recognizing the set up.

http://m.guardiannews.com/football/2012/dec/13/fifa-close-bin-hamman-bribery-case
Title: Re: Bin Hammam Case Closed
Post by: D.H.W on December 13, 2012, 04:29:17 PM
They wanted Jack out from the start
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Observer on December 14, 2012, 09:46:03 AM
My take is FIFA not going to allow the inquiry to continue because the deeper investigators dig, the closer they will come to Blatter and everybody associated with FIFA past & present.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Bakes on September 18, 2015, 08:27:23 AM
*cough*

And theres the problem I have always had with Jack. He can do so much good, and does do great work, but then theres the sleazy side. Perhaps Jack was mistaken? But how many times can he be wrongly accused. It doesn't make any sense how he can get caught up in so many scandals.
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on September 21, 2015, 10:22:41 AM
 :rotfl:
Title: Re: Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner charged by FIFA over alleged bribes
Post by: Deeks on September 21, 2015, 06:21:23 PM
From BBC. Jack's extradition proceedings approved by the AG.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34318353


US extradition proceedings against Jack Warner, a former vice-president of football's world governing body Fifa, are to go ahead after being approved by Trinidad's attorney general.

The US wants to try Mr Warner, 72, a Trinidadian national, on corruption charges. He is accused of accepting millions of dollars in bribes.

He and 13 other current or former Fifa officials were indicted in May.

He denies the charges and is currently fighting the extradition attempt.

Last week, Switzerland approved the extradition of ex-Fifa Vice-President Eugenio Figueredo to the US.




Mr Figueredo, from Uruguay, was arrested in May while in Switzerland for a Fifa congress.

So far, only one arrested official - former Fifa Vice-President Jeffrey Webb, from the Cayman Islands - has agreed to be extradited.

After being extradited from Switzerland to the US, Mr Webb pleaded not guilty to accepting bribes worth millions of dollars in connection with the sale of marketing rights.

He was placed under house arrest on $10m (£6.4m) bail by a New York judge.

The king of Caribbean football

As the head of Caribbean and North and Central American football (Concacaf), Mr Warner was one the most powerful men in world football.

His support was seen as essential for any World Cup host bid. However, he has been dogged by allegations of corruption.

The US alleges that Mr Warner has been involved in corrupt practices for more than two decades.

Mr Warner's case has been adjourned until Friday due to a legal dispute over a technicality.

In June 2015, a BBC investigation found evidence of bribes paid to Mr Warner.


Jack Warner: The US charge sheet
◾Accused of racketeering, wire fraud, money laundering, bribery
◾From the early 1990s, he allegedly "began to leverage his influence and exploit his official positions for personal gain"
◾Allegedly accepted a $10m bribe from South African officials in return for voting to award them the 2010 World Cup
◾Allegedly bribed officials with envelopes each containing $40,000 in cash; when one demurred, he allegedly said: "There are some people here who think they are more pious than thou. If you're pious, open a church, friends. Our business is our business"
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