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Sports => Football => Topic started by: SHOTTA on June 30, 2011, 07:14:56 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/v/_PeWYc21Ps4
he mention da d level in training high more dan once
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Yuh knee never gets back to 100%, and even with major surgery and replacements,although the joint might be stronger, there is losses in flexibility/suppleness, besides fragility of mental confidence....however, where the affected active individual might gain some successes is by reorganizing personal goals, adjusting styles and dedicate to development of others....just an opinion
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Ah see ah few faces in the training that make meh glad. ah hope this is the beginning of the end of the fackry that we experience over the past five yrs, BC after all this time we finally get ah bonified coach who knows what he's doing and not no wannabee looking a easy gig!
ah hear ppl saying that the TTFF setup latas tuh fail and i wondering, how so ? IMO nobody cyar set me up to do nothing i don't want to do. yuh think this german man just sitting back and allowing the TTFF tell him what to do? allyuh think he will go for that??
i believe fenwick when he said that latas training sessions lack intensity and hence the reason he withdrew his players on certain training days. but the latapy enthusiast i'm sure would beg to differ. IMO latapy and pancho was the worst thing to happen to T&T football out side of the TTFF in the past five yrs.
all man like hyland , collin samuel, darrly roberts, avery john, scott sealy, kendell jagdeosingh, osie telesford, lester peltier, and up till of late julius james was left out of his squad for bums like clyde leon and keston williams, which was utterly absurd!!
lets see if leon makes this german man's team. i seriously fackin doubt it!
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nuff respect Stern, keep up de hard wuk n hope to see you back soon
ah love what i'm hearing about the sessions being intense, dais wah we need, got to enforce dah work man like hustle n attitude :beermug:
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Say what allyuh want, John on that team. :beermug:
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Say what allyuh want, John on that team. :beermug:
at this rate we might as well bring back Latapy yes ! where we going wid Stern ?? back to the future ??
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Say what allyuh want, John on that team. :beermug:
at this rate we might as well bring back Latapy yes ! where we going wid Stern ?? back to the future ??
:rotfl:
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Say what allyuh want, John on that team. :beermug:
at this rate we might as well bring back Latapy yes ! where we going wid Stern ?? back to the future ??
If he trains hard and is better than the younger players, why not pick him?
Yuh think Liverpool will have a big game and play Hendedrson instead of Gerrard because they looking to the future? Or Chelsea with Sturidge and McEchrean instead of Drogba and Lampard??
If he not performing, then drop him.........but if he is doing well in training, then the man should play, talk done!!
ah loveit!!
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Say what allyuh want, John on that team. :beermug:
at this rate we might as well bring back Latapy yes ! where we going wid Stern ?? back to the future ??
If he trains hard and is better than the younger players, why not pick him?
Yuh think Liverpool will have a big game and play Hendedrson instead of Gerrard because they looking to the future? Or Chelsea with Sturidge and McEchrean instead of Drogba and Lampard??
If he not performing, then drop him.........but if he is doing well in training, then the man should play, talk done!!
ah loveit!!
...and he might be better than the young players at this time but when he finally retires he may have retired more young players who gave up serious training because of lack of opportunity. It was the same when he was a young player trying to get a break ...many of us had to make noise for him because he was from El and east ...this is a cycle breds ...lets not continue to moonwalk in our approach to achieving success ....too often we seem to be going forward while sliding backwards ....just so you dont miss the pun ... :beermug:
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Ah see ah few faces in the training that make meh glad. ah hope this is the beginning of the end of the fackry that we experience over the past five yrs, BC after all this time we finally get ah bonified coach who knows what he's doing and not no wannabee looking a easy gig!
ah hear ppl saying that the TTFF setup latas tuh fail and i wondering, how so ? IMO nobody cyar set me up to do nothing i don't want to do. yuh think this german man just sitting back and allowing the TTFF tell him what to do? allyuh think he will go for that??
i believe fenwick when he said that latas training sessions lack intensity and hence the reason he withdrew his players on certain training days. but the latapy enthusiast i'm sure would beg to differ. IMO latapy and pancho was the worst thing to happen to T&T football out side of the TTFF in the past five yrs.
all man like hyland , collin samuel, darrly roberts, avery john, scott sealy, kendell jagdeosingh, osie telesford, lester peltier, and up till of late julius james was left out of his squad for bums like clyde leon and keston williams, which was utterly absurd!!
lets see if leon makes this german man's team. i seriously fackin doubt it!
I would be wholly and solely on dis bandwagon if there wasn't one niggling factor. The fact is.. we doh ever respect we own. Latas coulda been broadsided into going with the locals only especially if he was told that is all that was avaible to him. I'm just saying. I will not pick up for Latas here because he coulda come out like Lincoln and talk about de pressure he was under. If he decide to stay quiet then take yuh jammin but to reiterate my point.. TnT from top to bottom does do more cart-wheels when yuh bring in a foreigner.
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Say what allyuh want, John on that team. :beermug:
at this rate we might as well bring back Latapy yes ! where we going wid Stern ?? back to the future ??
If he trains hard and is better than the younger players, why not pick him?
Yuh think Liverpool will have a big game and play Hendedrson instead of Gerrard because they looking to the future? Or Chelsea with Sturidge and McEchrean instead of Drogba and Lampard??
If he not performing, then drop him.........but if he is doing well in training, then the man should play, talk done!!
ah loveit!!
...and he might be better than the young players at this time but when he finally retires he may have retired more young players who gave up serious training because of lack of opportunity. It was the same when he was a young player trying to get a break ...many of us had to make noise for him because he was from El and east ...this is a cycle breds ...lets not continue to moonwalk in our approach to achieving success ....too often we seem to be going forward while sliding backwards ....just so you dont miss the pun ... :beermug:
Only in Trini....:frustrated: Breds why should young players give up serious training because of lack of opportunity? If anything they should train harder and force their way on the team. Let them step up and keep Stern on the bench or off the team. Like we are warriors in name only. Carlos will be 33 in Oct....I guess we moonwalking with him too.
With NO development program and WC qualifiers around the corner, you have to keep in mind that this is another quick fix campaign that would require only the best players we have available. So if Stern is still the best or better than most of the younger strikers then he deserves to be on the team.
I'm not saying that it is the best formula, but it is that mixing of the young with the older guns that got us to the World Cup and it worked for other countries like Honduras as well that had Carlos Pavon lighting up qualifiers and featuring in his first World Cup at the age of 36.
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Say what allyuh want, John on that team. :beermug:
at this rate we might as well bring back Latapy yes ! where we going wid Stern ?? back to the future ??
If he trains hard and is better than the younger players, why not pick him?
Yuh think Liverpool will have a big game and play Hendedrson instead of Gerrard because they looking to the future? Or Chelsea with Sturidge and McEchrean instead of Drogba and Lampard??
If he not performing, then drop him.........but if he is doing well in training, then the man should play, talk done!!
ah loveit!!
...and he might be better than the young players at this time but when he finally retires he may have retired more young players who gave up serious training because of lack of opportunity. It was the same when he was a young player trying to get a break ...many of us had to make noise for him because he was from El and east ...this is a cycle breds ...lets not continue to moonwalk in our approach to achieving success ....too often we seem to be going forward while sliding backwards ....just so you dont miss the pun ... :beermug:
Only in Trini....:frustrated: Breds why should young players give up serious training because of lack of opportunity? If anything they should train harder and force their way on the team. Let them step up and keep Stern on the bench or off the team. Like we are warriors in name only. Carlos will be 33 in Oct....I guess we moonwalking with him too.
With NO development program and WC qualifiers around the corner, you have to keep in mind that this is another quick fix campaign that would require only the best players we have available. So if Stern is still the best or better than most of the younger strikers then he deserves to be on the team.
I'm not saying that it is the best formula, but it is that mixing of the young with the older guns that got us to the World Cup and it worked for other countries like Honduras as well that had Carlos Pavon lighting up qualifiers and featuring in his first World Cup at the age of 36.
I'll tell you why ...because they dont get opportunities to develop. For the same reason you mention many give up ...." If they dont measure up today ....they are forgotten ... Stern worked his way off the team in the last world cup campaign ...you do remember ? He was part of the starting line up . we played in an under 20 world Cup where de under 20 starlets today ? we keep repeating the mistakes of the past with gay abandon .... the tried tested and proven way to fail is ti take the remnants of the last losing team and build on that ...so bring back Carlos...Stern ...etc ...make it easy for the opposition who must be wondering what we drinking down here ??
Check Stern and Carlos's record recently ...they on de way down ...if you rebuilding you wont try replacements ?? why not let this coach try to develop some home talent as we eh getting any overseas contracts anytime soon ... I know countless talented players who resigned themselves to playing minor league .... all some of them needed was for someone to take a chance on dem and give them an opportunity ....
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Say what allyuh want, John on that team. :beermug:
at this rate we might as well bring back Latapy yes ! where we going wid Stern ?? back to the future ??
If he trains hard and is better than the younger players, why not pick him?
Yuh think Liverpool will have a big game and play Hendedrson instead of Gerrard because they looking to the future? Or Chelsea with Sturidge and McEchrean instead of Drogba and Lampard??
If he not performing, then drop him.........but if he is doing well in training, then the man should play, talk done!!
ah loveit!!
...and he might be better than the young players at this time but when he finally retires he may have retired more young players who gave up serious training because of lack of opportunity. It was the same when he was a young player trying to get a break ...many of us had to make noise for him because he was from El and east ...this is a cycle breds ...lets not continue to moonwalk in our approach to achieving success ....too often we seem to be going forward while sliding backwards ....just so you dont miss the pun ... :beermug:
Only in Trini....:frustrated: Breds why should young players give up serious training because of lack of opportunity? If anything they should train harder and force their way on the team. Let them step up and keep Stern on the bench or off the team. Like we are warriors in name only. Carlos will be 33 in Oct....I guess we moonwalking with him too.
With NO development program and WC qualifiers around the corner, you have to keep in mind that this is another quick fix campaign that would require only the best players we have available. So if Stern is still the best or better than most of the younger strikers then he deserves to be on the team.
I'm not saying that it is the best formula, but it is that mixing of the young with the older guns that got us to the World Cup and it worked for other countries like Honduras as well that had Carlos Pavon lighting up qualifiers and featuring in his first World Cup at the age of 36.
I'll tell you why ...because they dont get opportunities to develop. For the same reason you mention many give up ...." If they dont measure up today ....they are forgotten ... Stern worked his way off the team in the last world cup campaign ...you do remember ? He was part of the starting line up . we played in an under 20 world Cup where de under 20 starlets today ? we keep repeating the mistakes of the past with gay abandon .... the tried tested and proven way to fail is ti take the remnants of the last losing team and build on that ...so bring back Carlos...Stern ...etc ...make it easy for the opposition who must be wondering what we drinking down here ??
Check Stern and Carlos's record recently ...they on de way down ...if you rebuilding you wont try replacements ?? why not let this coach try to develop some home talent as we eh getting any overseas contracts anytime soon ... I know countless talented players who resigned themselves to playing minor league .... all some of them needed was for someone to take a chance on dem and give them an opportunity ....
You make a couple of valid points, but this to me is a cop out excuse. the National Senior Team is NOT the place to develop talent, that is supposed to be done at club level. I love my people, but honestly too many of our talented players lack the professional attitude and discipline required to make noise on the international stage. And that "resigning themselves to just playing minor league football because they werent given an opportunity" is a prime example of that laissez-faire approach. We too quick to give up.
We have to realise that it is only some serious hard work, blood, sweat, and tears going to get us to where we want to be. And we have to have that approach on both an individual and team level.
I am all for giving the youths a chance, but only if they show the skill, effort, and fight required. To just have a player on (or off) the field solely because of his age is ridiculous. The best players should play, period. And quite frankly, if a younger player take something like that as a reason to give up and resign himself to just playing minor league, then he too soft to be on the NT anyways. :beermug:
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Hear its a long time I haven't seen Stern. The man looking fit. So why jumbie the man? You hear he even talk about diet etc. etc. That's the kind of players you want around the team. That kinda environment is invaluable for younger players. Is diet the man say eh know.
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bring back stern
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Jai John what you mean by "they dont get opportunities to develop". Younger players dont develop on the national team..their development come from club level..club level is where they play more than 75% of their football every year.
DO NOT BLAME STERN FOR THE FACT THAT HE CAN STILL MAKE THE TEAM BECAUSE OUR YOUNGER PLAYERS ARE CURRENTLY NOT GOOD ENOUGH. Its true Stern not as half as good like his prime but he still better than most of them locl strikers i have seen in recent years who shit themself against caribbean opposition. One of the many reasons why we not in the Gold Cup this year
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Jai John what you mean by "they dont get opportunities to develop". Younger players dont develop on the national team..their development come from club level..club level is where they play more than 75% of their football every year.
DO NOT BLAME STERN FOR THE FACT THAT HE CAN STILL MAKE THE TEAM BECAUSE OUR YOUNGER PLAYERS ARE CURRENTLY NOT GOOD ENOUGH. Its true Stern not as half as good like his prime but he still better than most of them locl strikers i have seen in recent years who shit themself against caribbean opposition. One of the many reasons why we not in the Gold Cup this year
You dont agree that players can develop by playing on the national team in our case ? You think playing in the club system in T&T will prepare them for the likes of teams such as mexico, Usa, costa rica, honduras , jamaica at national level ???
how can a player develop ? ..by continuing in the national league playing against those he is obviously better than ???
You amaze me if you cant see the benefit of giving exposure to young talent to test themselves against others from different countries, systems etc. That is the reason for us having inexperienced 28 and 30 year olds ..in our national set up. there was a time when players got overseas contracts and you can see the difference in those who had that opportunity ...
let me remind you of the 17 year old dwight Yorke ...both he and Colvin hutchinson went on trial in England ...according to the the report ..there was not much difference in their abilities ...nothing special prompting famous last words from a manchester united great ..." if he makes it in the priemiership I am a monkey's uncle " ..but they opted for the younger player ... Yorke stayed hutchinson came home ...the rest is history. Hutchinson with similar abilities to yorke drifted away into football oblivion ...while yorke went on to fame and fortune .
Chance given ...chance taken ...opportunity denied ....lack of motivation ...football cemetry .
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we talkin bout development and movin forward and seriously puttin Stern forward as ah option....alyuh serious what he going an' teach dem fellas when it already known dat he in particular had no respect for d junior players, how much time alyuh see it as plain as day......yes d future bleak as it regards to future of we football .....but seriously Stern.... for what purpose....to hope beyond all hope dat he ketch form.......we didn' try dat fuuckry aready................there a still seniors that can pass on valuable knowledge but Stern ain't one, thank d man for his services and lets move on.
man talkin bout development and future an' shit an still want to entertain patch work and stop gap measures dat FAILED BIG TIME ONCE ALREADY , fellas we have to be brave enough to start over, even if it mean more pain in d short to medium term
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I still remember El Salvador in El Salvador... :-[
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My Hero!! Cmon the only bad thing stern ever do was miss that penalty vs el salvador..
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Jai John what you mean by "they dont get opportunities to develop". Younger players dont develop on the national team..their development come from club level..club level is where they play more than 75% of their football every year.
DO NOT BLAME STERN FOR THE FACT THAT HE CAN STILL MAKE THE TEAM BECAUSE OUR YOUNGER PLAYERS ARE CURRENTLY NOT GOOD ENOUGH. Its true Stern not as half as good like his prime but he still better than most of them locl strikers i have seen in recent years who shit themself against caribbean opposition. One of the many reasons why we not in the Gold Cup this year
You dont agree that players can develop by playing on the national team in our case ? You think playing in the club system in T&T will prepare them for the likes of teams such as mexico, Usa, costa rica, honduras , jamaica at national level ???
how can a player develop ? ..by continuing in the national league playing against those he is obviously better than ???
You amaze me if you cant see the benefit of giving exposure to young talent to test themselves against others from different countries, systems etc. That is the reason for us having inexperienced 28 and 30 year olds ..in our national set up. there was a time when players got overseas contracts and you can see the difference in those who had that opportunity ...
let me remind you of the 17 year old dwight Yorke ...both he and Colvin hutchinson went on trial in England ...according to the the report ..there was not much difference in their abilities ...nothing special prompting famous last words from a manchester united great ..." if he makes it in the priemiership I am a monkey's uncle " ..but they opted for the younger player ... Yorke stayed hutchinson came home ...the rest is history. Hutchinson with similar abilities to yorke drifted away into football oblivion ...while yorke went on to fame and fortune .
Chance given ...chance taken ...opportunity denied ....lack of motivation ...football cemetry .
Both of you are so very correct. I wonder if the TTFF does go through these type of dicussion and back and forth pros and cons when selecting a squad.
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I wonder if the TTFF does go through these type of dicussion and back and forth pros and cons when selecting a squad.
Nice discussion friends. But let me just say that "The TTFF" does not select any team - the coaches do. How many times did Latapy select Edwards at left back, for example, any most of the public was dis-satisfied with that - including TTFF men, I'm sure. But give the coaches some credit. They do have an internal debate about who to select and who to leave out. Whatever one may think of their ability and/or performance, they DO want to win, after all.
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I wonder if the TTFF does go through these type of dicussion and back and forth pros and cons when selecting a squad.
Nice discussion friends. But let me just say that "The TTFF" does not select any team - the coaches do. How many times did Latapy select Edwards at left back, for example, any most of the public was dis-satisfied with that - including TTFF men, I'm sure. But give the coaches some credit. They do have an internal debate about who to select and who to leave out. Whatever one may think of their ability and/or performance, they DO want to win, after all.
Does not the TTFF have a technical staff? Do they not play an intergral role in advising, providing and assisting the head coach in making a final decision?
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Does not the TTFF have a technical staff? Do they not play an intergral role in advising, providing and assisting the head coach in making a final decision?
Of course, but "the TTFF" doesn't mean anything when it comes to selecting a national team. The coach ultimately does that. Does "The FA" or "The USSF" select the team that Capello or Bradley puts out on match day? No. The coach does.
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Say what allyuh want, John on that team. :beermug:
at this rate we might as well bring back Latapy yes ! where we going wid Stern ?? back to the future ??
If he trains hard and is better than the younger players, why not pick him?
Yuh think Liverpool will have a big game and play Hendedrson instead of Gerrard because they looking to the future? Or Chelsea with Sturidge and McEchrean instead of Drogba and Lampard??
If he not performing, then drop him.........but if he is doing well in training, then the man should play, talk done!!
ah loveit!!
...and he might be better than the young players at this time but when he finally retires he may have retired more young players who gave up serious training because of lack of opportunity. It was the same when he was a young player trying to get a break ...many of us had to make noise for him because he was from El and east ...this is a cycle breds ...lets not continue to moonwalk in our approach to achieving success ....too often we seem to be going forward while sliding backwards ....just so you dont miss the pun ... :beermug:
Disagree with this big time. If you give up because you didn't get the opportunity you missing the point of what it means to be a professional and what competition is all about.
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Say what allyuh want, John on that team. :beermug:
at this rate we might as well bring back Latapy yes ! where we going wid Stern ?? back to the future ??
If he trains hard and is better than the younger players, why not pick him?
Yuh think Liverpool will have a big game and play Hendedrson instead of Gerrard because they looking to the future? Or Chelsea with Sturidge and McEchrean instead of Drogba and Lampard??
If he not performing, then drop him.........but if he is doing well in training, then the man should play, talk done!!
ah loveit!!
...and he might be better than the young players at this time but when he finally retires he may have retired more young players who gave up serious training because of lack of opportunity. It was the same when he was a young player trying to get a break ...many of us had to make noise for him because he was from El and east ...this is a cycle breds ...lets not continue to moonwalk in our approach to achieving success ....too often we seem to be going forward while sliding backwards ....just so you dont miss the pun ... :beermug:
Disagree with this big time. If you give up because you didn't get the opportunity you missing the point of what it means to be a professional and what competition is all about.
I agree with you ..but you know what ..many of them do ! Have you never had to talk to a young person who was ready to give up ? I have had many ...all it takes is a little encouragement for them to give of their best. The converse is sadly also true ...all it takes is a little discouragement for them to give up .
Not every athlete is a brian lara who could keep on making centuries while not being selected to the west Indies team .
Let me go back to the original argument ..Stern is neither the present nor the future of Trinidad football but will always be a great contributor to past teams . I therefore do not see his selection to the present national team scenario as a positive move ...
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Stern practice your penalty kicks please >:( PLEASE! or just dont take it
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Say what allyuh want, John on that team. :beermug:
at this rate we might as well bring back Latapy yes ! where we going wid Stern ?? back to the future ??
If he trains hard and is better than the younger players, why not pick him?
Yuh think Liverpool will have a big game and play Hendedrson instead of Gerrard because they looking to the future? Or Chelsea with Sturidge and McEchrean instead of Drogba and Lampard??
If he not performing, then drop him.........but if he is doing well in training, then the man should play, talk done!!
ah loveit!!
...and he might be better than the young players at this time but when he finally retires he may have retired more young players who gave up serious training because of lack of opportunity. It was the same when he was a young player trying to get a break ...many of us had to make noise for him because he was from El and east ...this is a cycle breds ...lets not continue to moonwalk in our approach to achieving success ....too often we seem to be going forward while sliding backwards ....just so you dont miss the pun ... :beermug:
Disagree with this big time. If you give up because you didn't get the opportunity you missing the point of what it means to be a professional and what competition is all about.
I agree with you ..but you know what ..many of them do ! Have you never had to talk to a young person who was ready to give up ? I have had many ...all it takes is a little encouragement for them to give of their best. The converse is sadly also true ...all it takes is a little discouragement for them to give up .
Not every athlete is a brian lara who could keep on making centuries while not being selected to the west Indies team .
Let me go back to the original argument ..Stern is neither the present nor the future of Trinidad football but will always be a great contributor to past teams . I therefore do not see his selection to the present national team scenario as a positive move ...
I don't think people are saying he is the present or future, but rather if he shows in training that he is better than the young players they're open to idea of making him the present.
When I think about this argument, it reminds me of Arsenal. You can give young players a chance and let them get more experience from an early age, hoping that they develop into top players. Some will turn out like Fabregas and shine, some will turn out like Senderos and flop. But in order to give them the chance, sometimes Arsenal had to let the Vieira's and Henry's move on. Even though they might still have had something to contribute to the team. In the end they've developed some good talent, but at the same time they haven't won anything in a long time.
So to use it as an analogy for Trinidad, we want to give young players experience but we need to balance that with our desire to win games and qualify for the World Cup. And from what we see, our depth of talent is not sufficient enough that we feel it's worth letting a player like Stern go IF he has something to contribute to the team. I don't think the argument here is as much about Stern as it is about the principle of the thing.
And you used Dwight Yorke and Hutchinson as examples, but look at Alex Ferguson and a player like Van der Sar. With the amount of young talent in Man Utd squad its arguably more reasonable for Ferguson to let younger players takeover the reigns. But he still keeps the Scholes, Giggs etc around the team and plays them in the big games because sometimes that experience is what you need to win on the day. Just as Sterns experience MIGHT be what we need to get past a Guatemala or something in a crucial qualifier.
Point is, if he shows that he can contribute he might be useful. It doesn't mean we don't give young players opportunities. That's what friendlies and squad rotation is about. But if you have a young player who gives up because Stern is around he feels like he hasn't been given a chance, then he probably doesn't have the mental strength to succeed as a footballer.
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The examples you gave are of active players who never stopped playing or were always on the team. not the same is it ? Stern worked his way off the team ..remember ?? and not for the first time .. so your examples should be of players in similar circumstance. this is more like resurrection rather than continuation ....and that is my point ?
we are rebuilding here, or supposed to be , ...is Stern a part of that ? is it for his leadership skills that he is maintained ? why not use the younger kenwyn Jones for that ...and try to focus on the future with young aspiring talent ?
No I cant support a call for Rocky , Star that he was , but like Kwai chang Cane used to say ..." grasshopper it is time for you to leave the kung Fu temple " :beermug:
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The examples you gave are of active players who never stopped playing or were always on the team. not the same is it ? Stern worked his way off the team ..remember ?? and not for the first time .. so your examples should be of players in similar circumstance. this is more like resurrection rather than continuation ....and that is my point ?
we are rebuilding here, or supposed to be , ...is Stern a part of that ? is it for his leadership skills that he is maintained ? why not use the younger kenwyn Jones for that ...and try to focus on the future with young aspiring talent ?
No I cant support a call for Rocky , Star that he was , but like Kwai chang Cane used to say ..." grasshopper it is time for you to leave the kung Fu temple " :beermug:
Lol. I hear you. But Stern hasn't played himself off the team until someone else plays them self onto it. It's not like other players haven't gotten a look. Things rough with our talent pool.
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The examples you gave are of active players who never stopped playing or were always on the team. not the same is it ? Stern worked his way off the team ..remember ?? and not for the first time .. so your examples should be of players in similar circumstance. this is more like resurrection rather than continuation ....and that is my point ?
we are rebuilding here, or supposed to be , ...is Stern a part of that ? is it for his leadership skills that he is maintained ? why not use the younger kenwyn Jones for that ...and try to focus on the future with young aspiring talent ?
No I cant support a call for Rocky , Star that he was , but like Kwai chang Cane used to say ..." grasshopper it is time for you to leave the kung Fu temple " :beermug:
Lol. I hear you. But Stern hasn't played himself off the team until someone else plays them self onto it. It's not like other players haven't gotten a look. Things rough with our talent pool.
...agreed. How do we increase the pool though if we stick to the old stagers ? You know that dwight could probably make the team playing midfield as well dont you ? ..but where would we be going with that approach ?
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The bottom line is that any team needs a blend of youth and experience. That blend is down to each individual coach. For all we know, Pfister may play Stern in midfield, using him to put his foot on the ball and make nice little through passes while the youthmen do the running.
For any squad, and I have been around many, from premiership to kids sunday league, its good to have the senior players around, even if they only play a 10 minutes now and again. I remember playing as an under 15 and my entire team moved up to under 17, but as I qualified by 1 day to remain in under 15's the coach asked me to stay back and captain the "youngsters". 2 years age difference is a lot at that age!! We did well, but personally, I felt I lost out as I struggled the next year in the U17's. But that principle is sound from a squad perspective.
Whatever else you say about Stern, he is the only current player with over 100 caps. That experience is valuable, which is why Beckham is still invited to train with the England squad.
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Say what allyuh want, John on that team. :beermug:
at this rate we might as well bring back Latapy yes ! where we going wid Stern ?? back to the future ??
If he trains hard and is better than the younger players, why not pick him?
Yuh think Liverpool will have a big game and play Hendedrson instead of Gerrard because they looking to the future? Or Chelsea with Sturidge and McEchrean instead of Drogba and Lampard??
If he not performing, then drop him.........but if he is doing well in training, then the man should play, talk done!!
ah loveit!!
...and he might be better than the young players at this time but when he finally retires he may have retired more young players who gave up serious training because of lack of opportunity. It was the same when he was a young player trying to get a break ...many of us had to make noise for him because he was from El and east ...this is a cycle breds ...lets not continue to moonwalk in our approach to achieving success ....too often we seem to be going forward while sliding backwards ....just so you dont miss the pun ... :beermug:
Disagree with this big time. If you give up because you didn't get the opportunity you missing the point of what it means to be a professional and what competition is all about.
I agree with you ..but you know what ..many of them do ! Have you never had to talk to a young person who was ready to give up ? I have had many ...all it takes is a little encouragement for them to give of their best. The converse is sadly also true ...all it takes is a little discouragement for them to give up .
Not every athlete is a brian lara who could keep on making centuries while not being selected to the west Indies team .
Let me go back to the original argument ..Stern is neither the present nor the future of Trinidad football but will always be a great contributor to past teams . I therefore do not see his selection to the present national team scenario as a positive move ...
I don't think people are saying he is the present or future, but rather if he shows in training that he is better than the young players they're open to idea of making him the present.
When I think about this argument, it reminds me of Arsenal. You can give young players a chance and let them get more experience from an early age, hoping that they develop into top players. Some will turn out like Fabregas and shine, some will turn out like Senderos and flop. But in order to give them the chance, sometimes Arsenal had to let the Vieira's and Henry's move on. Even though they might still have had something to contribute to the team. In the end they've developed some good talent, but at the same time they haven't won anything in a long time.
So to use it as an analogy for Trinidad, we want to give young players experience but we need to balance that with our desire to win games and qualify for the World Cup. And from what we see, our depth of talent is not sufficient enough that we feel it's worth letting a player like Stern go IF he has something to contribute to the team. I don't think the argument here is as much about Stern as it is about the principle of the thing.
And you used Dwight Yorke and Hutchinson as examples, but look at Alex Ferguson and a player like Van der Sar. With the amount of young talent in Man Utd squad its arguably more reasonable for Ferguson to let younger players takeover the reigns. But he still keeps the Scholes, Giggs etc around the team and plays them in the big games because sometimes that experience is what you need to win on the day. Just as Sterns experience MIGHT be what we need to get past a Guatemala or something in a crucial qualifier.
Point is, if he shows that he can contribute he might be useful. It doesn't mean we don't give young players opportunities. That's what friendlies and squad rotation is about. But if you have a young player who gives up because Stern is around he feels like he hasn't been given a chance, then he probably doesn't have the mental strength to succeed as a footballer.
excellent points :beermug:
trinbago doesn't have a population of 120 million, that you can just cast aside talent and say they can wait for players who on the way out
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Whatever else you say about Stern, he is the only current player with over 100 caps. That experience is valuable, which is why Beckham is still invited to train with the England squad.
Marv is as much a current player as Stern.
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Allyuh ain't see is the boss taking him through the paces or what? If the boss like what he see I ain't want to hear no talk. ;D
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I still remember El Salvador in El Salvador... :-[
everytime yu remember dat yu mus remember di two against guatemala at the end of di game when we were down 2-1 with five or 6 minutes left in the game..
war
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Yuh might be right bout having experience on d team is a plus. I like Stern sometimes, but his experience is useless since he have absolutely no leadership qualities. Hence d reason he doh get d cyaptin armband ah tall. I have played with many players who played with Stern during the last world cup we went to, and d consensus was d same.... ah matter ah fact, some players don't even respect him. Yuh never see when Stern score against mexico and he cus way d whole covered stands???? lolololololol Wha kind ah leadership is dat?? I know strikers who play alongside d man and he didnt even talk to dem.. (which is fine, but d animosity shouldn't be on d field too) At least it had Yorke and Latas dey to calm him lil bit, even doh he use to be stick up under dem like ah tail... But nutting wrong wit dat, ah jes cyah see his experience helping unless he change he ways... Hopefully he mature ah lil bit, and start taking players under he wing. Yuh never know, maybe he might drop back and play ah midfield.. lol
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Yuh might be right bout having experience on d team is a plus. I like Stern sometimes, but his experience is useless since he have absolutely no leadership qualities. Hence d reason he doh get d cyaptin armband ah tall. I have played with many players who played with Stern during the last world cup we went to, and d consensus was d same.... ah matter ah fact, some players don't even respect him. Yuh never see when Stern score against mexico and he cus way d whole covered stands???? lolololololol Wha kind ah leadership is dat?? I know strikers who play alongside d man and he didnt even talk to dem.. (which is fine, but d animosity shouldn't be on d field too) At least it had Yorke and Latas dey to calm him lil bit, even doh he use to be stick up under dem like ah tail... But nutting wrong wit dat, ah jes cyah see his experience helping unless he change he ways... Hopefully he mature ah lil bit, and start taking players under he wing. Yuh never know, maybe he might drop back and play ah midfield.. lol
valuable experience to pass on indeed :-\ leggo d love affair people, in 2005 he was as good as his supporting staff...we all know who dem was ;D if we could roll back d clock and take yorke an latas out d equation......hell take LATAS out d equation, who here go put d head on ah block and say d result would be d same...who?
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Allyuh ain't see is the boss taking him through the paces or what? If the boss like what he see I ain't want to hear no talk. ;D
ah hope you eh makin ah case for pensioners here ?? Boss is 73 ... :devil:
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Allyuh ain't see is the boss taking him through the paces or what? If the boss like what he see I ain't want to hear no talk. ;D
ah hope you eh makin ah case for pensioners here ?? Boss is 73 ... :devil:
President of the TTFF is 80 ..Coach is 73 ...maybe we looking for an over 30 captain to complete the trend .... Brazil allyuh better look out we coming !! " Youth is wasted on the young "
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f#ck allyuh
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Jai...see, now we have vision? We didn't have vision when they put Latas as coach? FROM JUMP everybody did know Latas wasn't ready. But we were willing to give him ah bligh and hope for the best. Right? Well give Stern a bligh nah and hope for the best. At least we have a coach
Lefty you self, turning back clock an ting, like if that matters. :devil: Let me put it this way..Who else we have that could buss the net like a fit Stern? And doh gimme no potential, possible talk eh!
And Kiffy that talk you talking dey is small ting. Man ain't talking to me?..scheuups. So what if Stern ain't talking to me dais he business...Stern ain't picking the team. Is situations like that is when you perform and make them want to talk to you. You don't cry about that like a lil punk. There are no handouts in football. Respect is earned. Buh what the jail I hearing.
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Jai...see, now we have vision? We didn't have vision when they put Latas as coach? FROM JUMP everybody did know Latas wasn't ready. But we were willing to give him ah bligh and hope for the best. Right? Well give Stern a bligh nah and hope for the best. At least we have a coach
Lefty you self, turning back clock an ting, like if that matters. :devil: Let me put it this way..Who else we have that could buss the net like a fit Stern? And doh gimme no potential, possible talk eh!
And Kiffy that talk you talking dey is small ting. Man ain't talking to me?..scheuups. So what if Stern ain't talking to me dais he business...Stern ain't picking the team. Is situations like that is when you perform and make them want to talk to you. You don't cry about that like a lil punk. There are no handouts in football. Respect is earned. Buh what the jail I hearing.
Dont label me in dat preacher ....I always criticized Latapy as coach ...Go check it out . I also criticize the appointment of this fella as coach too ...So if you didn't know ...now you know . You seem to have settled on de " give de man a chance approach " so we will clearly differ. " At least we have a coach " ....???
That is to be proved ... .
I have been saying for years we need a developmental coach to implement a developmental programme. I not in this today for today ting. You should know that of me by now ...I around long time saying de same ting ! So I not on dis coach go take we brazil bandwagon.
It is because of what I see as the right approach...the one everyone else ..Jamaica. mexico...USA , costa Rica etc..is using that i disagree with de moonwalk approach. Look Mexico send an under 22 team to Copa America ...dem yutes getting to play against the best in south america ...you could be like Robinho...etc...is de message ...
Costa Rica ..same ting ..dey send ah youth team ...when dey meet we they go be tinking ...we play against better than dem already .....confidence high ...
You telling me on one hand we qualify an under 17 team, under 20 team to youth WCups and it eh have no yutes dey to work with ?
this is not really about Stern ...this is about an approach which has failed to stimulate interest in T&T football ... look how dey flocking to see young Brazil eh ? ...you tink it eh have better old stagers dan some ah dem who starting ? but de coach thinking bout de WC to be played in Brazil . You tink Fabiano and Kaka kyah make dat team ? you really tink so ? but dey watching though ....
Batista send his under 25 team on a european tour ...he leave messi, tevez, arguero etc...all ah dem home ...he thinking bout de next wc when some of these present players might be out ....
What is our approach ? well we might be arguing about something that may never take place ...maybe the coach may see rebuilding as the key ? So I dont see him as the solution but I could be wrong ...so I could leave dis argument here ...man could always say and old Beenie and some old stagers did work for we ?? ...and i will say ...what happen after when all ah dem retire ??
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I hear yuh brother. I agree we need young blood. But it is what it is with T&T football. :beermug: BUT!!!! Yuh fas and out af place to be talking about Mr. Pfister like that. What yu mean "we'll see?" :devil:
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If argentina still putting faith in a 38 year old Zanetti who is we??
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Allyuh see the way Colombia was playing. That is what Patcho was trying to teach them boys. But is either he was not good or them boys head too hard. take your pick. :devil:
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If argentina still putting faith in a 38 year old Zanetti who is we??
Fitz man put ah smiley face or a wink after that nah man:) Zanetti doh get tired atall, Stern aka "Mahal", not so much:)
Let Otto give de man ah chance if he want nah, he obviously see something in Stern dat he feel he could use.
Who knows it might take a first half of football for him to realize he mistake, OR (!!!) to make himself look like a genius!!!
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Allyuh see the way Colombia was playing. That is what Patcho was trying to teach them boys. But is either he was not good or them boys head too hard. take your pick. :devil:
I will go wit Mats eh good to meh grave he was not good.
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If argentina still putting faith in a 38 year old Zanetti who is we?? ;D :devil:
Fitz man put ah smiley face or a wink after that nah man:) Zanetti doh get tired atall, Stern aka "Mahal", not so much:)
Let Otto give de man ah chance if he want nah, he obviously see something in Stern dat he feel he could use.
Who knows it might take a first half of football for him to realize he mistake, OR (!!!) to make himself look like a genius!!!
Hard luck fella, I go fix it :devil:
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this is not really about Stern ...this is about an approach which has failed to stimulate interest in T&T football ... look how dey flocking to see young Brazil eh ? ...you tink it eh have better old stagers dan some ah dem who starting ? but de coach thinking bout de WC to be played in Brazil . You tink Fabiano and Kaka kyah make dat team ? you really tink so ? but dey watching though ....
I agree with you to an extent. The difference is that when you talking about Brazil, the youth that coming through their ranks and getting national team call ups are the ones who have the ability. So when you throw them in the national team is to give them experience.
So its the same with Trinidad. Bring through the youth that have ability. Unfortunately it seems that coaches (except maybe Maturana) coming here and not seeing enough in the young players to integrate them. Sad to say. Maybe as you mentioned earlier they give up because they aren't given the chance when they expect it. The ones who do that need to be a more persistent and patient.
Fabiano and Kaka might make the Brazilian national team under a different coach. Maybe the can't anymore, I don't follow those players. But even if they could, they are not being replaced by youngsters who are a step down from them in their level of play, and they aren't being replaced by players who aren't good enough to get the results the team needs. And that's the two things any coach going to be thinking about when he has to make the decision between a Stern John and young local player.
As you say, this is not about Stern himself. And I'll make it clear that I am not a fan of Stern John. But at the same time, if Stern gets back to a decent level of fitness, I will be hesitant to put player like Jorsling ahead of him in an important national team game. Because from what I've seen, A league is rubbish compared to International football, and scoring goals Orlando Pirates/against Caribbean opposition doesn't necessarily translate into performing against the US, Costa Rica etc. On the other hand, I might be more likely to put a Darryl Roberts in ahead of Stern cause he's played in the Dutch League against better opposition and did well.
Basically my point is, a principle is a principle. But the fact-specifics matter. Or to put it another way, I'm all for giving young players a chance, but not just for giving them a chance sake. Development is important, but results are as well. And its possible to balance both with a mix of experience and youth. That's the coach's call.
Is it that you see young players who are good enough that considering Stern's inclusion shouldn't even be an option? Maybe we agree in principle and that is the real difference between your opinion and those you are open to including Stern. Sad to say, I'm not that confident in a lot of the young players in our national team setup. And maybe that's with good reason.
ps. The other thing is I don't think that developing players is the responsibility of a national team/coach.
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Stern can't be serious. We, Trinidad, CANNOT, I repeat, CANNOT beat Mexico and the USA. Right now, Mexico is playing in Copa America, with their Under 23 Squad against South American opposition with their top squads. US and Mexico are WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY ahead of the curve and we cannot catch them.
Stern should he ashamed of himself saying that, we, TnT, could match the likes of Mexico and US. They will always and forever crush us.
We, TnT, are SIMPLY NOT READY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!