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To be implemented from tonight in crime hot spots from Midnight.....President to sign order. I eh get any more details. Just happened to catch the end of the press conference just as I switched to CNMG hoping to catch a delayed broadcast of the game, only to see Kamla on mih TV screen.
The press conference was over and all I got was the wrap up from the journalist who didn't say much....
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what are the crime hot spots? ??? Laventille ? where else ?
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They didn't say which areas but its being replayed on CNMG now......but what ah was to know is, how they could announce that a limited state of emergency is coming from midnight tonight and the order eh sign yet??.....
Dais not like giving the bandits and dem a headstart??.....look let me hush and watch de ride.....
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Press release:-
Good evening members of the media. The entire nation has been rocked with the recent tragic news of the spate of murders over the past few days. The situation has reached proportions which the government must respond to in the most definitive manner possible. I am advised that one of the causations for the spike in murders is ironically linked to the success by the police in the discovery of large drug hauls with values in excess of twenty million dollars in just one raid. These large sums of money simply do not disappear from the drug trade without consequences and in some of the cases now occurring, this is the result .
The question though isn't just what is causing it but how do we deal with it? As you know, we have deployed more financial and human resources than any government in recent time in dealing with the scourge of crime and until this recent upsurge the nation had been encouraged by the decline shown by year to years statistics. But a problem of this nature that has been the result of years of neglect will not disappear overnight and we reassess day by day each strategy deployed and how effective it is in achieving short term and long term objectives in reducing crime.
But the current crime spree dictates that more must be done and stronger action has to be employed now. The situation cannot continue like this without a response commensurate with the wanton acts of violence and lawlessness; it must be a response as well that will halt the current spike in gang activity and crime in general in the shortest possible time.
After much deliberation with the National Security Council and members of the Cabinet it has been agreed that the government consider the imposition of a limited state of emergency in hot spots across the country. Such a consideration must of course have the agreement of the President of the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago, His Excellency, George Maxwell Richards and I will be meeting with him to discuss this matter.
The limited state of emergency will allow us to achieve a number of things in relation to crime reduction which would not be prudent for me to disclose in advance of the action taken. We are aware that such a decision will have an impact on the daily lives of innocent, law abiding citizens in these areas but I feel confident that they will recognise and appreciate the need to protect them and bring the current crime surge affecting them under control.
We have the will to tackle the crime problem in Trinidad and Tobago and the commitment to place every resource at our disposal towards waging and winning this war on crime. We will succeed. The nation will not be held to ransom by marauding groups of thugs bent on creating havoc on our society. The limited state of emergency in hot spots across Trinidad and Tobago is merely part of a larger aggressive reaction response by the government.
As these measures are being deployed using both out police and military we ask all citizens to bear with the inconveniences that may arise from time to time. This is in everyone's interest. In fact, I intend to hold discussions with the Leader of the Opposition to seek his party's support with certain legislative matters in Parliament. Trinidad and Tobago comes first. Nothing is more important than the right of each citizen to be protected and to enjoy a life of peace and tranquility.
https://www.facebook.com/#!/notes/trinidad-guardian/press-statement-limited-state-of-emergency/237349209634823 (https://www.facebook.com/#!/notes/trinidad-guardian/press-statement-limited-state-of-emergency/237349209634823)
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well it look like i have a curfew now. loud fackin steups
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PM announces limited State of Emergency in crime hot spots (http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=30752)
Sunday 21st August, 2011
Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar has announced a limited State of Emergency in crime hot spots in Trinidad and Tobago.
Mrs Persad-Bissessar met with the National Security Council and her Cabinet on Sunday afternoon.
This follows a recent upsurge in murders which the Prime Minister said was linked to the recent seizure of millions of dollars in narcotics. She noted that when millions of dollars are lost, someone has to pay the price and it is usually with the loss of life.
Under a limited State of Emergency, persons from the military will have certain powers, such as seizures and search and arrest. These officers in the military will augment the manpower in the Police Service.
The Prime Minister said for the limited State of Emergency to be imposed, the proclamation and regulations were on its way to President George Maxwell Richards to sign and declare.
"Such limited State of Emergency, pursuant to Section 8.1 of our Constitution and Section 8.2, will take effect as of midnight tonight (Sunday). The limited State of Emergency will allow us to achieve a number of things in relation to crime reduction which would not be prudent for me to disclose in advance of the action taken. We are aware that such a decision will have an impact on the daily lives of innocent, law-abiding citizens in these areas but I feel confident that they will recognise and appreciate the need to protect them and bring the current crime surge affecting them under control."
The Prime Minister also read from the Proclamation which was dispatched to the President for his signature.
It reads, "Whereas it is enacted by Section 8.1 of the Constitution, that the President may, from time to time, make a proclamation that a State of Public Emergency exists, and B; that Section 8.2 of our Constitution, that the proclamation made by the President shall not be effective unless it contains a declaration that the President is satisfied that action has been taken, or is immediately threatened by any person of such a nature, and on so extensive a scale, as to be likely to endanger the public safety or deprive the community of supplies or services essential to life. And now therefore, I, George Maxwell Richards, President in pursuance of the powers conferred upon me that I am satisfied that action has been taken, or is immediately threatened by persons or bodies of persons of such a nature, and on so extensive a scale, as to be likely to endanger the public safety or to deprive the community or any substantial portion of the community, of supplies or services essential to life and a State of Public Emergency exists in Trinidad and Tobago."
Mrs Persad-Bissessar said the decision to impose a limited State of Emergency was not easily arrived at but Government must protect its people. She added that what is needed now, more than ever, is strong, affirmative action to curb the scourge of crime.
"It is not a light thing to trigger Section 8 of our Constitution but when the circumstances call for it, then I do believe it is our duty first and foremost to give the greatest protection to our citizens."
The Prime Minister confirmed that further details will be made public on Monday.
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it better stay there on a permanent basis. Because as soon as it stop all the bandits will run back out
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So there were some murders the past two nights?
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i think they shouldve said which areas...arima?
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I think there were seven murders between Thursday night and Friday night....
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i think they shouldve said which areas...arima?
Details coming tomorrow....
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i think they shouldve said which areas...arima?
:waiting:
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i think they shouldve said which areas...arima?
:waiting:
lol..ah livin there so i wa kno if i hadda mek sure to be in mih house
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I would think yuh go get Max John Hancock b4 yuh say SOE and say what areas and curfew etc. Y the Min of Nat Sec did not make d announcement especially after u sufferin from classic dengue.
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I think there were seven murders between Thursday night and Friday night....
Wow.
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And almost all of them is gang related
edit:
National Security Council Meeting August 21, 2011 (Pictures)
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150289037319798.353918.348203869797&type=1
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Peeps over on fb keep referring to some $20 million drug bust as the catalyst for some of the gang violence we've seen explode in the last few weeks.....ah raking mih brain trying to remember the story.......
......I'm sure removing the Police post that was set up in the East POS area didn't help either.....
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Preacher here is one story from the Thursday into Friday bachanal where 7 people were shot and killed. Four in Arima alone...
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Police_in_the_dark_over_killings-128137088.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Police_in_the_dark_over_killings-128137088.html)
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pressure ..... dem bandit will have to go to work early and put in dome double shifts now.
But what else can be done?
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Preacher here is one story from the Thursday into Friday bachanal where 7 people were shot and killed. Four in Arima alone...
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Police_in_the_dark_over_killings-128137088.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Police_in_the_dark_over_killings-128137088.html)
Add four more last night. 3 in Laventille and 1 in E lSoccorro
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Peeps over on fb keep referring to some $20 million drug bust as the catalyst for some of the gang violence we've seen explode in the last few weeks.....ah raking mih brain trying to remember the story.......
......I'm sure removing the Police post that was set up in the East POS area didn't help either.....
Must be this , this in the only big drug bust this week
$22M cocaine bust – teen in court
(http://www.newsday.co.tt/galeria/2011-08-20-7-3a_ROGER_BUST.jpg)
SEIZED COCAINE: Several packets of cocaine, estimated at $22 million, which were seized by officers of the Organised Crime, Narcotics, and Firearms Bureau, at Piarco Airport. The cocaine was found in two suitcases bound for New York. A 19-year-old youth appeared in court yesterday charged with the offence.
A 19-year-old man has been remanded in custody after appearing before an Arima magistrate yesterday charged for possession of an estimated $22 million worth of cocaine for the purposes of trafficking.
Nathaniel Bowen, of Almond Boulevard, Arima, stood in silence with his hands clasped when he appeared before Magistrate Indra Ramoo-Haynes in the First Court.
He was charged for the possession of 53.926 kilogrammes of cocaine for the purposes of trafficking; with possession of an illegal drug for the purposes of export; and possession of 10.9 grammes of marijuana.
Bowen was represented by defence attorney Reynold Waldropt.
It was alleged that at about 10.40 pm on August 16 last, officers of the Organised Crime, Narcotics and Firearms Bureau, were on duty at the Piarco International Airport, when they intercepted two suitcases that were checked in to load onto a Carribean Airlines flight destined for New York.
One of the suitcases was green. It held 25 packets of cocaine all wrapped in a blue blanket. The other suitcase was blue, and also contained 25 packets of cocaine, wrapped in an orange blanket.
Further investigations by the officers led them to detain Bowen, who it was alleged, the person who checked in the suitcases.
As a result, the teenager was arrested, and a search was conducted at his home, where officers later discovered the marijuana hidden in a green pouch. The teenager was then charged and kept in custody until his appearance before the magistrate.
After giving the court a description of the items, Police Prosecutor Sgt Fitzgerald Johnson, explained that he would be objecting to bail due to the amount of drugs seized, and the fact that the State had yet to obtain a background tracing on the young man. “I respectfully ask the court to use its discretion to please consider the amount of drugs discovered, the prevalence and the seriousness of the offence, as well as the fact that the complainants have so far been unable to obtain a tracing on the accused.
“As a result I am asking the court to deny bail at this time,” Johnson noted.
However, Waldropt dismissed this argument, saying that according to the Bail Act, bail was an entitlement to all accused persons, and that his client should not have to suffer for the police’s inability to obtain background tracings, despite keeping him in custody for over two days.
“The accused was arrested on August 16, while at work. Today is the 19th. The police had ample opportunity to secure tracings, especially in this day and age with the technology available to them.
“The accused is a teenager who lives with his parents. My instructions are that he has no previous or pending matters. He is simply a clerk at Servisair, and as a result of the circumstances of the arrest, I am respectfully asking the court for reasonable bail in this matter,” Waldropt noted, but bail was denied.
The matter is scheduled to resume on September 16.
http://www.newsday.co.tt/crime_and_court/0,145914.html
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troubled areas revealed, according to the express
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/BREAKING-NEWS-State-of-Emergency-declared-128160123.html
Honestly i think it doh make sense cuz its a short term plan. you have the curfew for a couple weeks and then what. and if its implemented for a long term, waiz my scene? i hadda be lock up inside by 12 rite thru?
i live morvant so i eagerly await a thorough explanation to this
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BREAKING NEWS: State of Emergency declared
Story Created: Aug 21, 2011 at 9:27 PM ECT
Story Updated: Aug 21, 2011 at 10:31 PM ECT
Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar has declared a limited State of Emergency in hot spots across the country.
The decision was made "after much deliberation with the National Security Council and members of the Cabinet" in response to the "spate of murders over the past few days".
TROUBLE ZONES
Arima, Arouca, Beetham, Carenage, Cunupia, Diego Martin, Enterprise, Felicity, Gasparillo, Grand Couva, Hermitage, Icacos, Laventille, Maloney, Morvant, Sea Lots, Trincity, Pigeon Point, Crown Point.
The PM's statement:
The entire nation has been rocked with the recent tragic news of the spate of murders over the past few days. The situation has reached proportions which the government must respond to in the most definitive manner possible. I am advised that one of the causations for the spike in murders is ironically linked to the success by the police in the discovery of large drug hauls with values in excess of twenty million dollars in just one raid. These large sums of money simply do not disappear from the drug trade without consequences and in some of the cases now occurring, this is the result.
The question though isn't just what is causing it but how do we deal with it?
As you know, we have deployed more financial and human resources than any government in recent time in dealing with the scourge of crime and until this recent upsurge the nation had been encouraged by the decline shown by year to years statistics. But a problem of this nature that has been the result of years of neglect will not disappear overnight and we reassess day by day each strategy deployed and how effective it is in achieving short term and long term objectives in reducing crime.
But the current crime spree dictates that more must be done and stronger action has to be employed now. The situation cannot continue like this without a response commensurate with the wanton acts of violence and lawlessness; it must be a response as well that will halt the current spike in gang activity and crime in general in the shortest possible time.
After much deliberation with the National Security Council and members of the Cabinet it has been agreed that the government consider the imposition of a limited state of emergency in hot spots across the country. Such a consideration must of course have the agreement of the President of the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago, His Excellency, George Maxwell Richards and I will be meeting with him to discuss this matter.
The limited state of emergency will allow us to achieve a number of things in relation to crime reduction which would not be prudent for me to disclose in advance of the action taken. We are aware that such a decision will have an impact on the daily lives of innocent, law abiding citizens in these areas but I feel confident that they will recognise and appreciate the need to protect them and bring the current crime surge affecting them under control.
We have the will to tackle the crime problem in Trinidad and Tobago and the commitment to place every resource at our disposal towards waging and winning this war on crime.
We will succeed. The nation will not be held to ransom by marauding groups of thugs bent on creating havoc on our society. The limited state of emergency in hot spots across Trinidad and Tobago is merely part of a larger aggressive reaction response by the government.
As these measures are being deployed using both out police and military we ask all citizens to bear with the inconveniences that may arise from time to time. This is in everyone's interest.
In fact, I intend to hold discussions with the Leader of the Opposition to seek his party's support with certain legislative matters in Parliament. Trinidad and Tobago comes first. Nothing is more important than the right of each citizen to be protected and to enjoy a life of peace and tranquility.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/BREAKING-NEWS-State-of-Emergency-declared-128160123.html
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eh? WTH i lock down too :'(
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pigeon point and crown point ???
why?
but La Horquetta ent on that list ???
i doubt this is the official list and the express just list the trouble areas in T&T
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Wait. WHAT?
Press release:-
After much deliberation with the National Security Council and members of the Cabinet it has been agreed that the government consider the imposition of a limited state of emergency in hot spots across the country. Such a consideration must of course have the agreement of the President of the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago, His Excellency, George Maxwell Richards and I will be meeting with him to discuss this matter.
https://www.facebook.com/#!/notes/trinidad-guardian/press-statement-limited-state-of-emergency/237349209634823 (https://www.facebook.com/#!/notes/trinidad-guardian/press-statement-limited-state-of-emergency/237349209634823)
And den I reading dis:
PM announces limited State of Emergency in crime hot spots (http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=30752)
Sunday 21st August, 2011
Under a limited State of Emergency, persons from the military will have certain powers, such as seizures and search and arrest. These officers in the military will augment the manpower in the Police Service.
The Prime Minister said for the limited State of Emergency to be imposed, the proclamation and regulations were on its way to President George Maxwell Richards to sign and declare.
"Such limited State of Emergency, pursuant to Section 8.1 of our Constitution and Section 8.2, will take effect as of midnight tonight (Sunday). The limited State of Emergency will allow us to achieve a number of things in relation to crime reduction which would not be prudent for me to disclose in advance of the action taken. We are aware that such a decision will have an impact on the daily lives of innocent, law-abiding citizens in these areas but I feel confident that they will recognise and appreciate the need to protect them and bring the current crime surge affecting them under control."
The Prime Minister also read from the Proclamation which was dispatched to the President for his signature.
It reads, "Whereas it is enacted by Section 8.1 of the Constitution, that the President may, from time to time, make a proclamation that a State of Public Emergency exists, and B; that Section 8.2 of our Constitution, that the proclamation made by the President shall not be effective unless it contains a declaration that the President is satisfied that action has been taken, or is immediately threatened by any person of such a nature, and on so extensive a scale, as to be likely to endanger the public safety or deprive the community of supplies or services essential to life. And now therefore, I, George Maxwell Richards, President in pursuance of the powers conferred upon me that I am satisfied that action has been taken, or is immediately threatened by persons or bodies of persons of such a nature, and on so extensive a scale, as to be likely to endanger the public safety or to deprive the community or any substantial portion of the community, of supplies or services essential to life and a State of Public Emergency exists in Trinidad and Tobago."
So dis big announcement get make and de president didnt even sign the declaration yet? Doh tell me Max find out de same time as the average citizen.
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Yes DHW. I just found it the story. I watch enough episodes of Locked Up Abroad to know.....dats REEEEEAAAAALLLLLL plenty cocaine for one man to try and beat them OCNU fellas and dem....he REEEEEEAAAALLLLL friggin brave dread!!.... :o :o
But who he moving it for??!!......therein lies the question..... :thinking: :thinking:
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Wait. WHAT?
Press release:-
After much deliberation with the National Security Council and members of the Cabinet it has been agreed that the government consider the imposition of a limited state of emergency in hot spots across the country. Such a consideration must of course have the agreement of the President of the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago, His Excellency, George Maxwell Richards and I will be meeting with him to discuss this matter.
https://www.facebook.com/#!/notes/trinidad-guardian/press-statement-limited-state-of-emergency/237349209634823 (https://www.facebook.com/#!/notes/trinidad-guardian/press-statement-limited-state-of-emergency/237349209634823)
And den I reading dis:
PM announces limited State of Emergency in crime hot spots (http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=30752)
Sunday 21st August, 2011
Under a limited State of Emergency, persons from the military will have certain powers, such as seizures and search and arrest. These officers in the military will augment the manpower in the Police Service.
The Prime Minister said for the limited State of Emergency to be imposed, the proclamation and regulations were on its way to President George Maxwell Richards to sign and declare.
"Such limited State of Emergency, pursuant to Section 8.1 of our Constitution and Section 8.2, will take effect as of midnight tonight (Sunday). The limited State of Emergency will allow us to achieve a number of things in relation to crime reduction which would not be prudent for me to disclose in advance of the action taken. We are aware that such a decision will have an impact on the daily lives of innocent, law-abiding citizens in these areas but I feel confident that they will recognise and appreciate the need to protect them and bring the current crime surge affecting them under control."
The Prime Minister also read from the Proclamation which was dispatched to the President for his signature.
It reads, "Whereas it is enacted by Section 8.1 of the Constitution, that the President may, from time to time, make a proclamation that a State of Public Emergency exists, and B; that Section 8.2 of our Constitution, that the proclamation made by the President shall not be effective unless it contains a declaration that the President is satisfied that action has been taken, or is immediately threatened by any person of such a nature, and on so extensive a scale, as to be likely to endanger the public safety or deprive the community of supplies or services essential to life. And now therefore, I, George Maxwell Richards, President in pursuance of the powers conferred upon me that I am satisfied that action has been taken, or is immediately threatened by persons or bodies of persons of such a nature, and on so extensive a scale, as to be likely to endanger the public safety or to deprive the community or any substantial portion of the community, of supplies or services essential to life and a State of Public Emergency exists in Trinidad and Tobago."
So dis big announcement get make and de president didnt even sign the declaration yet? Doh tell me Max find out de same time as the average citizen.
d 'cart before d horse' syndrome. seems like the norm wid dis government
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Bourbon, from a repeat of the press conference I caught on CNMG it appears as though she and the Pres discussed it so he is expecting the document.
But the press release gives the impression that some deliberations still had to take place with different stakeholders namely the Pres and the Opp. leader.......
And ah still trying to figure out why would the PM announce to all and sundry that this limited state of emergency coming but the Pres eh sign it yet and its announced about 4 hours before he sign it??
To me dat just giving the bad boys a heads up?? :-\
But ah trying to hush mih mouth until more details come to light.....is just that mih doubts about this jokey government wont allow mih to stay quiet.....
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Bourbon, from a repeat of the press conference I caught on CNMG it appears as though she and the Pres discussed it so he is expecting the document.
But the press release gives the impression that some deliberations still had to take place with different stakeholders namely the Pres and the Opp. leader.......
And ah still trying to figure out why would the PM announce to all and sundry that this limited state of emergency coming but the Pres eh sign it yet and its announced about 4 hours before he sign it??
To me dat just giving the bad boys a heads up?? :-\
But ah trying to hush mih mouth until more details come to light.....is just that mih doubts about this jokey government wont allow mih to stay quiet.....
I definately hope that they met and discussed that because to take a decision like that without the president is really poor form. Hopefully verbal consent was given and it just needs to be signed.
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Yes DHW. I just found it the story. I watch enough episodes of Locked Up Abroad to know.....dats REEEEEAAAAALLLLLL plenty cocaine for one man to try and beat them OCNU fellas and dem....he REEEEEEAAAALLLLL friggin brave dread!!.... :o :o
But who he moving it for??!!......therein lies the question..... :thinking: :thinking:
some syrian or indian
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pigeon point and crown point ???
why?
but La Horquetta ent on that list ???
i doubt this is the official list and the express just list the trouble areas in T&T
La Horquetta is in Arima
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Yes Sammy, but which one in particular....unless we hold he or she, we spinning top in mud by holding this 19 year old....*sigh*
@ Bourbon, yes I got the impression that a verbal agreement was made is just to sign. Still, I find something as serious as this should be announced AFTER the pres done sign....oh well.....let's see how this is going to play out....
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Any plans to enlist the help of the army?
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Any plans to enlist the help of the army?
yes the army and police working together. the state of emergency gives them the right to arrest ppl
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Wait. WHAT?
Press release:-
After much deliberation with the National Security Council and members of the Cabinet it has been agreed that the government consider the imposition of a limited state of emergency in hot spots across the country. Such a consideration must of course have the agreement of the President of the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago, His Excellency, George Maxwell Richards and I will be meeting with him to discuss this matter.
https://www.facebook.com/#!/notes/trinidad-guardian/press-statement-limited-state-of-emergency/237349209634823 (https://www.facebook.com/#!/notes/trinidad-guardian/press-statement-limited-state-of-emergency/237349209634823)
And den I reading dis:
PM announces limited State of Emergency in crime hot spots (http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=30752)
Sunday 21st August, 2011
Under a limited State of Emergency, persons from the military will have certain powers, such as seizures and search and arrest. These officers in the military will augment the manpower in the Police Service.
The Prime Minister said for the limited State of Emergency to be imposed, the proclamation and regulations were on its way to President George Maxwell Richards to sign and declare.
"Such limited State of Emergency, pursuant to Section 8.1 of our Constitution and Section 8.2, will take effect as of midnight tonight (Sunday). The limited State of Emergency will allow us to achieve a number of things in relation to crime reduction which would not be prudent for me to disclose in advance of the action taken. We are aware that such a decision will have an impact on the daily lives of innocent, law-abiding citizens in these areas but I feel confident that they will recognise and appreciate the need to protect them and bring the current crime surge affecting them under control."
The Prime Minister also read from the Proclamation which was dispatched to the President for his signature.
It reads, "Whereas it is enacted by Section 8.1 of the Constitution, that the President may, from time to time, make a proclamation that a State of Public Emergency exists, and B; that Section 8.2 of our Constitution, that the proclamation made by the President shall not be effective unless it contains a declaration that the President is satisfied that action has been taken, or is immediately threatened by any person of such a nature, and on so extensive a scale, as to be likely to endanger the public safety or deprive the community of supplies or services essential to life. And now therefore, I, George Maxwell Richards, President in pursuance of the powers conferred upon me that I am satisfied that action has been taken, or is immediately threatened by persons or bodies of persons of such a nature, and on so extensive a scale, as to be likely to endanger the public safety or to deprive the community or any substantial portion of the community, of supplies or services essential to life and a State of Public Emergency exists in Trinidad and Tobago."
So dis big announcement get make and de president didnt even sign the declaration yet? Doh tell me Max find out de same time as the average citizen.
d 'cart before d horse' syndrome. seems like the norm wid dis government
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Yes Sammy, but which one in particular....unless we hold he or she, we spinning top in mud by holding this 19 year old....*sigh*
@ Bourbon, yes I got the impression that a verbal agreement was made is just to sign. Still, I find something as serious as this should be announced AFTER the pres done sign....oh well.....let's see how this is going to play out....
I hear this 19 year old has 3 sets of prime wheels with led's in the rims and all the trimmings. Seems like they paying good money up at Piarco!!
I was just limin down by Frankies on Ariapita after the game. Suddenly they announce they're closing due to SoE. Town already closing down.
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Yes DHW. I just found it the story. I watch enough episodes of Locked Up Abroad to know.....dats REEEEEAAAAALLLLLL plenty cocaine for one man to try and beat them OCNU fellas and dem....he REEEEEEAAAALLLLL friggin brave dread!!.... :o :o
But who he moving it for??!!......therein lies the question..... :thinking: :thinking:
Who resign recently from they big post? Maybe somebody like that?
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I real skeptical about this.
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I real skeptical about this.
Last ditch effort by a government bereft of solutions! Just yesterday Dr Roodal Moonilal said no need ofe a state of emergency then this/ steups.
look here; there man of business said no s o emergency http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Moonilal__No_need_for_State_of_Emergency-128137078.html
Recent upsurge in killings...
By Ria Taitt and Susan Mohammed
Story Created: Aug 20, 2011 at 11:47 PM ECT
Story Updated: Aug 20, 2011 at 11:47 PM ECT
LEADER of Government business Dr Roodal Moonilal said yesterday citizens ought not to feel insecure following the recent upsurge in killings.
Moonilal disagreed that there was a need for a State of Emergency with the killing of seven people on Friday night, taking the murder toll to 256.
Moonilal said: "I think citizens should still feel secure. I think there is an upsurge in the gang related activity that is creating an unease, but I am very confident in Mr John Sandy and the Police Service to respond to this challenge."
Asked how Government was planning to tackle the crime situation, Moonilal said the Minister of National Security had plans and strategies which he was confident will work.
He said: "I am aware of Mr Sandy's plans and he has a variety of strategies to combat crime. I am very confident that in the short term we will see the results of that."
Speaking in his capacity as Deputy Political Leader of the United National Congress earlier yesterday Moonilal said he was convinced that the excursion of former UNC leader Basdeo Panday into Port of Spain had to do with the apparent vacuum in the Opposition.
"Dr Keith Rowley (Opposition Leader) has not been able to stabilise the Opposition and by his own reckless statements has further appeared to be disjunctive in his politics," Moonilal said. "Mr Panday with an acute political mind may be sniffing at an opening in the Opposition in terms of the body politic. His outdoor activity may suggest that he is sensing the weaknesses in the Opposition and in the People's National Movement."
On the controversy within the Public Services Association, which led to confrontation between members of the General Council, Moonilal said Government has observed the happenings in the PSA.
"I can only hope that the matter is stabilised soon in the interest of all the members of the PSA and the wider working class."
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this aint making sense.....
state of emergency for what-....it aint no coup.....STEUPS
Its only going to create panic to the civilian population...and d gangs are winning here....
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I gotta say, this is extreme. I mean, two weeks ago, England was literally on fire and for two nights, police had no control, but there was no state of emergency. SoE is the absoloute last resort. Ok, the drug bust is gonna cause some serious gang unrest, but why not just flood the areas with police and army? I know that the SoE gives additional powers, but I'm certain the problem is not the laws, its the people enforcing them. Gibbs has to to earn his money and come up with a plan. Putting a country on lockdown is not the soloution.
Trust me, real youths gonna have a field day while innocent citizens can't take a late movie at Movie Towne.
You also have to consider the bar staff, fast food vendors etc who will lose wages due to this.
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this just feelin real half baked, lablash and "under thought" even with ah limited state of emergency, I real uncomfortable givin police and army sweepin powers especially these days..............I wonder if dey going an sit these fellas down and give them clear instructions on how to engage the general public when this goes into full swing......especially given that there might be obvious(but unfortunately necessary profiling going on,
it have real poomewons dat does look lil gangsta normal..normal
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this just feelin real half baked, lablash and "under thought" even with ah limited state of emergency, I real uncomfortable givin police and army sweepin powers especially these days..............I wonder if dey going an sit these fellas down and give them clear instructions on how to engage the general public when this goes into full swing......especially given that there might be obvious(but unfortunately necessary profiling going on,
it have real poomewons dat does look lil gangsta normal..normal
Lets be honest, the police are already overstepping their powers sometimes (though it may be justified in some small way.) When you see supposed criminals shot 6 times in the back, what more power do they need?
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totally agree
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Last ditch effort by a government bereft of solutions! Just yesterday Dr Roodal Moonilal said no need ofe a state of emergency then this/ steups.
Yeah, same sense I getting. Is like they have no plan, never had a plan... and now that they in office they trying ah thing. Is almost like Kamla parents gone tuh work and leave she alone at home, so she playing grown up... except she playing PM in this case. Leh we see what other toys it have in this PM bag.
I gotta say, this is extreme. I mean, two weeks ago, England was literally on fire and for two nights, police had no control, but there was no state of emergency. SoE is the absoloute last resort. Ok, the drug bust is gonna cause some serious gang unrest, but why not just flood the areas with police and army? I know that the SoE gives additional powers, but I'm certain the problem is not the laws, its the people enforcing them. Gibbs has to to earn his money and come up with a plan. Putting a country on lockdown is not the soloution.
Trust me, real youths gonna have a field day while innocent citizens can't take a late movie at Movie Towne.
You also have to consider the bar staff, fast food vendors etc who will lose wages due to this.
How in the world you declaring a state of emergency for a contained (to the affected areas) crime wave is beyond me. What that mean exactly... curfew in only the affected areas? So man in Valencia and Grande could lime normal but man in Arima under lockdown?
Reactionary governance. Not that it just limited to the PP (before man come in here bumping they gum about politics)... but things was supposed to be different. First they condemn Manning et al for "infringing on people's privacy" with the eavesdropping talk. Next, when yuh do hear de shout, last week they making requests to Bmobile to "monitor" people cellphone conversation. Not a peep was heard about that. Now state of emergency declared. I want to know exactly what that mean... powers of arrest w/o probable cause? They could search yuh home w/o a warrant? Lock yuh up without taking yuh in front a judge? what that mean exactly?
Very slippery slope we treading.
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Exactly. My peeps from grande rushing home at 10.30 so they're not on the roads.
Like if you lockdown Sealots & Beetham, you can't travel on the highway, and if you close down Lavantille & Belmont, you can't travel Lady Young and then you close down Morvant and Curepe so you can't travel EMR.
So, if you're a worker at, say Hilton and your shift finishes at midnight and you live in St Augustine, how you getting home? Especially if you travel. And a lot of those maxi & taxi men only work nights, so where's their bread coming from? What happens if you have a flight to catch at 2 a.m., or worse, your flight lands at 2 a.m, who's picking you up??
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How come belmont eh make that list?
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I in favor...
Ah mean at the very least i could say dey trying something and letting them criminals know that shit serious. All the talk of measures and programs, and this and that, nobody taking them on and dem bandits eh seeing no consequences.
The crime situation out here real outta hand. That scene in Arima.. The S is that they call a hit on a man and they just went into the area in Jonestown, Arima and start firing indiscriminately. People run everywhere to take cover, the guy they was looking for run into a shop along with some other people and they spray the whole shop. An innocent woman who went to buy a loaf got shot as well.
Light ah fire under dey ass I say. I see some people saying discrimination, but I also remember people in them same hotspots was calling for this when it was first discussed in the Ken Gordon report. People in some zones living in fear, coming home from work and cant get a taxi to reach inside because is war going on and every night is gunshots ringing out.
I mean, I too aint know how they plan to make this work with the limited zones scene but i waiting to hear more details.
Like i say.... At least dey trying something.
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I hope they have critical info so they can gear up and go to war. That's a good reason to keep people of the streets. Hopefully there is some major tactical plans about to be unleashed. In a situation like this they can't say to much anyways.
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I in favor...
Ah mean at the very least i could say dey trying something and letting them criminals know that shit serious. All the talk of measures and programs, and this and that, nobody taking them on and dem bandits eh seeing no consequences.
The crime situation out here real outta hand. That scene in Arima.. The S is that they call a hit on a man and they just went into the area in Jonestown, Arima and start firing indiscriminately. People run everywhere to take cover, the guy they was looking for run into a shop along with some other people and they spray the whole shop. An innocent woman who went to buy a loaf got shot as well.
Light ah fire under dey ass I say. I see some people saying discrimination, but I also remember people in them same hotspots was calling for this when it was first discussed in the Ken Gordon report. People in some zones living in fear, coming home from work and cant get a taxi to reach inside because is war going on and every night is gunshots ringing out.
I mean, I too aint know how they plan to make this work with the limited zones scene but i waiting to hear more details.
Like i say.... At least dey trying something.
This only underscores how reactionary and ass-backward the idea is. Supposed them gunmen and dem was from San Juan... locking down Arima doing what exactly? Matter of fact if I was a "community leader" from D'Abadie and I have beef with another "community leader" from Mausica... now self I going and shoot up Mausica so they could lock it down and send all de business my way.
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I in favor...
Ah tempted eh but...... :-X ;D
Like i say.... At least dey trying something.
Yeah. This government trying something since they reach. Only problem is we doh know what and dem eh know what either.......
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curfew 9pm to 5am in the areas
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critical info my asws...psa slippin from watson duke hands...kamla bummy...
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Lock it dong! Personally I want to see some more liberties taken away. If that's the way this nonsense can be dealt with, so be it. Theres always a price to pay... for shit to be cleaned up.
Bunch on non-victims always have something to say! Freedom my ass!
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I am also in favor in principle.
Time the police and army have some power to move in and handle these beasts.
Trinidad is no longer the happy island of years ago, is now yuh walking down the street in broad daylight and looking over yuh shoulder. No freedom to wear yuh lil gold chain or stop by ah nice look out spot with a ting an take in the sunset, is bandit with gun and cutlass coming to murder and rape.
What plan people expected that any government could implement in 18 mths that could make a marked difference?
Let me know and lets give it to them.
The downside of this is it could be an opportunity for the rogue cops to run riot, take out competition, set up man, thief etc.
But the biggest question I have is .
They hold a 19yr man/boy for the 22million in coke and put him before the courts, why in god's name they did not offer the lil fella some nice money and witness protection to start the trail to the big men?
This man/boy could not be running his own operation and have millions to spend on drugs, but not a word as usual and not a word will be heard and that is what is frightening. The bigs boys free to continue importing and exporting the drugs and getting lil black boys to run around killing each other and innocent people.
So if at the end of the day they use the special powers under the state of emergency to go after the big boys or Mr Big and at the same time clean up the place of the beasts I happy as pappy, but the alternative also could be worse.
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That 19 yr old youth as good as dead....yuh cyar 4kup a coke haul big so.
Remember the Monos island bust and who body was found with he head missing after.
I say have curfew...go in yuh house early and cool it. It's not like yuh coulda roam around carefree in the night anyway.
Yes yuh cyar lime or take yuh drink and business will suffer...but is only for a while.
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They hold a 19yr man/boy for the 22million in coke and put him before the courts, why in god's name they did not offer the lil fella some nice money and witness protection to start the trail to the big men?
:rotfl: :rotfl:
Fishs, you living outside ah while now?? What witness protection you talking about?? :rotfl: :rotfl:
On another but related note. Ah thinking it over last night and all I could come up with is very, very, very cautious support. Hear what bugging mih eh. For the past few weeks this government has been touting that the murder rate is going down. They were singing Gibbs' praises. And that they have plans that working but taking a while (now when Martin Joseph said that dey pong him into the ground eh).
Soooooo uuuuummm, I take it that overnight with all the murders over the weekend from Thursday changed all that?? This government has yet to outline a plan for fighting crime but came into power and started to dismantle all the apparatus put in place by the former administration. The thing is one gets the sense that this dismantling was nothing more than getting rid of any thing PNM but they had no plans of their own. For example, as soon as the police posts in the East of POS were removed the shootings and killings in those areas started back.
Now I'm hearing that Moonilal or one ah dem this morning saying this limited state of emergency is just another method to complement what is already happening. Well I beg to differ. To me calling a state of emergency, limited or otherwise, is not a complement to nothing. Its a last resort. Because if this fails then what?? Lock down the whole country??
I'm very, very cautious because this government is yet to show me they are competent at even the most basic things. I have no confidence that they know what they hell dey doing and is quite content to try ah thing every Monday morning. That cannot be good for our country....
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Here's whats happening. This youth man sing like Pavarotti. They know who done what and where. But if you're going after the big dogs and his krew, theres gonna be a lot of what the US like to call collateral damage. They naming several hotspots to camoflage the actual target area. Expect to see major gun battles over the next week and lots of gangstas coming out dead. This 11 murder thing is a smokescreen. When you study it, 4 people killed in one incident, a woman killed probably as a hit by her husband in jail, 2 men killed in a gang shooting with a third guy in the wrong place at the wrong time. Just another Trini weekend. But it gives them an excuse to act on the intelligence gleaned from the drug haul to increase police powers.
IMO, if this is the case, it is wrong to use a limited SOE. This is a police operation not an emergency. The only reason for a SOE is so that police don't have to follow usual rules of engagement. It will be a slaughter (which may be deserved).
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They hold a 19yr man/boy for the 22million in coke and put him before the courts, why in god's name they did not offer the lil fella some nice money and witness protection to start the trail to the big men?
:rotfl: :rotfl:
Fishs, you living outside ah while now?? What witness protection you talking about?? :rotfl: :rotfl:
6 weeks outside 3 weeks home.
Ah hear about our so called witness protection programme but for the possibilities , the US DEA could get involved and help out , but supporter say the man sing , so things happening maybe.
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I doh know nuttn bout exportin coke but that seem like ah real amateur attempt at getting things out
big bright suitcases and bricks in big bright blankets??.... going to the U.S. of all places?
dem does watch carribbean planes like hawks...how dat was ever gettin troo anywhere?
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dey does call dem drug mule
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Press conference on now on I95.5fm.....its a replay of the press conference last night.
http://www.i955fm.com/ (http://www.i955fm.com/)
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They hold a 19yr man/boy for the 22million in coke and put him before the courts, why in god's name they did not offer the lil fella some nice money and witness protection to start the trail to the big men?
:rotfl: :rotfl:
Fishs, you living outside ah while now?? What witness protection you talking about?? :rotfl: :rotfl:
6 weeks outside 3 weeks home.
Ah hear about our so called witness protection programme but for the possibilities , the US DEA could get involved and help out , but supporter say the man sing , so things happening maybe.
Thats my take on it, I have no proof or whispers. From what I've read, the youth worked at Piarco, so maybe he thought he had links that would get him through? By accounts I've heard, he wasn't discreet, driving pimped up cars with LEDs in the wheels at 19, so it probably wasn't his first such venture.
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I in favor...
Ah mean at the very least i could say dey trying something and letting them criminals know that shit serious. All the talk of measures and programs, and this and that, nobody taking them on and dem bandits eh seeing no consequences.
The crime situation out here real outta hand. That scene in Arima.. The S is that they call a hit on a man and they just went into the area in Jonestown, Arima and start firing indiscriminately. People run everywhere to take cover, the guy they was looking for run into a shop along with some other people and they spray the whole shop. An innocent woman who went to buy a loaf got shot as well.
Light ah fire under dey ass I say. I see some people saying discrimination, but I also remember people in them same hotspots was calling for this when it was first discussed in the Ken Gordon report. People in some zones living in fear, coming home from work and cant get a taxi to reach inside because is war going on and every night is gunshots ringing out.
I mean, I too aint know how they plan to make this work with the limited zones scene but i waiting to hear more details.
Like i say.... At least dey trying something.
This only underscores how reactionary and ass-backward the idea is. Supposed them gunmen and dem was from San Juan... locking down Arima doing what exactly? Matter of fact if I was a "community leader" from D'Abadie and I have beef with another "community leader" from Mausica... now self I going and shoot up Mausica so they could lock it down and send all de business my way.
Bakes, I always value your opinion. Regardless of what argmuments yuh does get into, I like the way your mind thinks.
That said, why not do a state of emergency, limited or otherwise? Truth is nothing else eh working so like Dinho say, I in favor..
I eh want to here no political nonsense becuase PNM couldn't handle it for 10 years and now the PP struggling like hell to deal with the crime situation in their 1 plus years in power. Maybe because I'm living in the US, but this crime screne wreaks fear of visiting and for the people currently living in trini it got to be downright frightening.
Unlike most, I willing to give the gov't a fair chance to deal with the situation but others simply always have a pessimestic view of everything relating to the PP.... Albeit, political gesturing like Rowley. Damn jackass. The opposition in trini does just oppose for opposing sake... Rowley, Panday, same khaki pants.
One thing I'll say and I agree this is a poor example, when 911 happen in the US, the opposition totally supported President Bush and right now the PNM need to support the govt and stop this political gesturing.... Everyone eh go agree but my two cents.
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$22M is rel paper dread , hmmm. Hard luck for that drug lord
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Arima, without strong opposition, you get weak government, thats why PNM got away so long. I don't always agree with Rowley, but its his job to voice the peoples opposition to certain policies. It doesn't mean he would do different or has all the answers. Governments need to be held to account and thats the job of the opposition. He may well support the SOE, but judging by some comments here, not everyone feels its necessary.
9/11 was extreme, an act of terrorism and therefore a SOE was justifyable. 11 murders in 3 days is hardly an emergency. Especially when you consider that 7 happened in 2 incidents. Its like saying close down the highways coz you had 2 bad accidents in a weekend.
Maybe I'm being blase, but these murders did not shock too many people. I have no idea what the soloution is, but better policing is required. This is not a big country. T&T is the size of an average US city. London has 6 times as many people. It cannot be that difficult to clamp down. London had around 130 murders in 2009, with a population over 7 million. New York had 466 in 2009 in a population over 8 million.
In the 21st century, T&T rates the worlds sixth highest murder rate with 43 murders per 100,000, compared to UK with 1.58.
Of course, the proximity to the South American drug trade and the US markets don't help, but then, London is pretty close to Europes drug capital, Holland and is a transit point for shipments from Pakistan, Afghanistan & Turkey.
As I've said, I'm not sure what the answer is, but outside help is needed. This island cannot be that difficult to police. Maybe the army should be tasked for anti gang activities?
After 9/11, I read that a think tank was created made up of movie directors, thriller writers like Tom Clancy (who actually wrote a book about terrorists crashing a plane into the Capitol before 9/11). The idea is that fiction is actually likely to become fact. Criminals think outside of the box, and therefore the authorities are often caught out. This think tank are given certain situations and then asked to devise how terrorists would carry through their plans. This is then passed to law enforcement agencies who would then investigate the credibility of these scenarios.
Maybe the police here are too many steps behind the gangs. Maybe Clancy and friends should come to Trini and help us out?
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I say put the whole country under curfew and weed out di bandits and crooksdem..
war
good job TNT
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Would be interesting to hear what the actual tactical approach is.
SOE by itself doh really mean much.
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I read the law enforcement people, can search any premises without a warrant. Look action up in Laventille today
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I say put the whole country under curfew and weed out di bandits and crooksdem..
war
good job TNT
Thing is, War, it effects everyone not just the crims. Last Weds I had to drive to Mount Hope just after midnight as I had extreme pain from a gum infection. If that happened tonight, what would I do? These police have itchy trigger fingers at the best of times. I understand we have to make sacrifices, but we also need to live in a free society. The many good people living in these "hotspots" no doubt want to have their fear removed, but do they also want to be imprisoned, so all they do is work and come home? And what about the effects on the bars, restaurants and clubs and tourism in Tobago? Imagime how afraid these tourists in Tobago will be. They sure ain't coming back. And govts aall over the world advising people not to travel to T&T. It may only last 15 days, but that impression of T&T will stick in the minds of some for years. So much for boosting tourism.
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Arima, without strong opposition, you get weak government, thats why PNM got away so long. I don't always agree with Rowley, but its his job to voice the peoples opposition to certain policies. It doesn't mean he would do different or has all the answers. Governments need to be held to account and thats the job of the opposition. He may well support the SOE, but judging by some comments here, not everyone feels its necessary.
9/11 was extreme, an act of terrorism and therefore a SOE was justifyable. 11 murders in 3 days is hardly an emergency. Especially when you consider that 7 happened in 2 incidents. Its like saying close down the highways coz you had 2 bad accidents in a weekend.
Who says the opposition cannot agree with something the gov't does? Therein lies the problem. The opposition should support the crime initiative and stop with the political pandering. I would agree that this gov't in totality is not doing a great job but it's not like the prior regime didn't have a massive amount of time to resolve the crime situation and they also failed miserably. If you feel because of them 7 murders is the reason for the SOE, then you are sorely mistaken. This crime situation bad for the past decade.
The opposition sounding like the replublicans in the US who don't want the ecomony to be successful because if it does they have no chance of being re-elected.
Look out for the good of the nation. I'll be the first one to say, I don't know the specifics of the SOE and how it will work, but I do know there are some military powers that they can use to take out the "bandits". Is the common citizen that is living in fear and whatever they do to get eradicate the bandits I for it. I just cannot take the political grandstanding....
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My very good sources have revealed the following
Designated Hot Spots that will see curfew from 9pm to 5am
The City of Port of Spain -
• St. James East• St. James West• Woodbrook• Northern Port of Spain• Belmont East• Belmont North & West• Southern Port of Spain• East Dry River• St. Ann’s River South• St. Ann’s River Central• St. Ann’s River North• Belmont South
The City of San Fernando –
• Cocoyea/Tarouba• Les Efforts East/Cipero• Les Efforts West/La Romain• Marabella East• Marabella South/Vistabella• Marabella West• Mon Repos/Navet• Pleasantville• Spring Vale/Paradise
The Borough of Arima –
• Calvary• Arima North East• Arima West• Arima Central• Malabar• Tumpuna• O’Meara
The Borough of Chaguanas –
• Charlieville• Edinburgh/Longdonville• Enterprise North• Enterprise South• Cunupia• Montrose• Felicity/Endevour• Munroe Road/Caroni Savannah
The San Juan/Laventille Regional Corporation –
• Maracus Bay/Santa Cruz/La Fillette• Febeau/Bourg Mulatresse• Morvant/Upper Malick• San Juan West/Caledonia• St. Ann’s/Cascade/Mon Repos West• St. Barb’s Chinapoo• Beetham/Picton• Success/Trou Macaque• Aranguez/Warner Village• Barataria• Petit Bourg/Champ Fleurs/Mt. Lambert• San Juan East
The Diego Martin Regional Corporation -
• Chaguaramas/Glencoe• Goodwood/La Puerta• Covinge/Richplain• Diamond Vale• Morne Coco/Alyce Glen• Petit Valley/Cocorite• St. Lucien/cameron Hill• Belle Vue/Bossiere #1• Moka/Bossiere
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I doh know nuttn bout exportin coke but that seem like ah real amateur attempt at getting things out
big bright suitcases and bricks in big bright blankets??.... going to the U.S. of all places?
dem does watch carribbean planes like hawks...how dat was ever gettin troo anywhere?
They obviously thought his links with Servisair would get it through on this end and they probably have somebody on staff to perform a similar job on the other end.
This whole thing confusing. If the mule at fault for this yuh wonder why they even want bail for him, but then again he probably at the same risk in remand yard.
As for the SoE, limited does not make sense and I can't see how it enforceable. Where does Champs Fleurs end and St.Josepf begin for example. If they not prepared to call it what it is, a complete lockdown, and face the economic and status repercussions they should just call it off. As it stands it is a half-assed measure
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I say put the whole country under curfew and weed out di bandits and crooksdem..
war
good job TNT
Thing is, War, it effects everyone not just the crims. Last Weds I had to drive to Mount Hope just after midnight as I had extreme pain from a gum infection. If that happened tonight, what would I do? These police have itchy trigger fingers at the best of times. I understand we have to make sacrifices, but we also need to live in a free society. The many good people living in these "hotspots" no doubt want to have their fear removed, but do they also want to be imprisoned, so all they do is work and come home? And what about the effects on the bars, restaurants and clubs and tourism in Tobago? Imagime how afraid these tourists in Tobago will be. They sure ain't coming back. And govts aall over the world advising people not to travel to T&T. It may only last 15 days, but that impression of T&T will stick in the minds of some for years. So much for boosting tourism.
sorry bout yu teeth .. but di bandits dem killing frm a side we have to tek back we country.. and is innocent ppl like me and you who know di bandits dem and not turning them in talking bout dey is community leaders.. I wid di police dem on this one eh.. let shot ring...
war
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My very good sources have revealed the following
Designated Hot Spots that will see curfew from 9pm to 5am
The City of Port of Spain -
• St. James East• St. James West• Woodbrook• Northern Port of Spain• Belmont East• Belmont North & West• Southern Port of Spain• East Dry River• St. Ann’s River South• St. Ann’s River Central• St. Ann’s River North• Belmont South
The City of San Fernando –
• Cocoyea/Tarouba• Les Efforts East/Cipero• Les Efforts West/La Romain• Marabella East• Marabella South/Vistabella• Marabella West• Mon Repos/Navet• Pleasantville• Spring Vale/Paradise
The Borough of Arima –
• Calvary• Arima North East• Arima West• Arima Central• Malabar• Tumpuna• O’Meara
The Borough of Chaguanas –
• Charlieville• Edinburgh/Longdonville• Enterprise North• Enterprise South• Cunupia• Montrose• Felicity/Endevour• Munroe Road/Caroni Savannah
The San Juan/Laventille Regional Corporation –
• Maracus Bay/Santa Cruz/La Fillette• Febeau/Bourg Mulatresse• Morvant/Upper Malick• San Juan West/Caledonia• St. Ann’s/Cascade/Mon Repos West• St. Barb’s Chinapoo• Beetham/Picton• Success/Trou Macaque• Aranguez/Warner Village• Barataria• Petit Bourg/Champ Fleurs/Mt. Lambert• San Juan East
The Diego Martin Regional Corporation -
• Chaguaramas/Glencoe• Goodwood/La Puerta• Covinge/Richplain• Diamond Vale• Morne Coco/Alyce Glen• Petit Valley/Cocorite• St. Lucien/cameron Hill• Belle Vue/Bossiere #1• Moka/Bossiere
WAYYYYZZZZZ! well i under curfew. but St. James and Woodbrook. That mean almost ALL limin spots in dem areas have to SHUT DOWN. that wipin out the social life for the majority of us in the North for them two weeks
doh talk bout all dem businesses losing revenue.
this is interesting
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My very good sources have revealed the following
Designated Hot Spots that will see curfew from 9pm to 5am
The City of Port of Spain -
• St. James East• St. James West• Woodbrook• Northern Port of Spain• Belmont East• Belmont North & West• Southern Port of Spain• East Dry River• St. Ann’s River South• St. Ann’s River Central• St. Ann’s River North• Belmont South
The City of San Fernando –
• Cocoyea/Tarouba• Les Efforts East/Cipero• Les Efforts West/La Romain• Marabella East• Marabella South/Vistabella• Marabella West• Mon Repos/Navet• Pleasantville• Spring Vale/Paradise
The Borough of Arima –
• Calvary• Arima North East• Arima West• Arima Central• Malabar• Tumpuna• O’Meara
The Borough of Chaguanas –
• Charlieville• Edinburgh/Longdonville• Enterprise North• Enterprise South• Cunupia• Montrose• Felicity/Endevour• Munroe Road/Caroni Savannah
The San Juan/Laventille Regional Corporation –
• Maracus Bay/Santa Cruz/La Fillette• Febeau/Bourg Mulatresse• Morvant/Upper Malick• San Juan West/Caledonia• St. Ann’s/Cascade/Mon Repos West• St. Barb’s Chinapoo• Beetham/Picton• Success/Trou Macaque• Aranguez/Warner Village• Barataria• Petit Bourg/Champ Fleurs/Mt. Lambert• San Juan East
The Diego Martin Regional Corporation -
• Chaguaramas/Glencoe• Goodwood/La Puerta• Covinge/Richplain• Diamond Vale• Morne Coco/Alyce Glen• Petit Valley/Cocorite• St. Lucien/cameron Hill• Belle Vue/Bossiere #1• Moka/Bossiere
WAYYYYZZZZZ! well i under curfew. but St. James and Woodbrook. That mean almost ALL limin spots in dem areas have to SHUT DOWN. that wipin out the social life for the majority of us in the North for them two weeks
doh talk bout all dem businesses losing revenue.
this is interesting
Right b4 school open so all who lookin 4 a lil husstle 2 buy books 4get it. Dat is what go cause d bacchanal dem business dat supported d PP eh get a ROI now dey loosing more money because d economy done dead.
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This makes no sense. May as well call a countrywide curfew. I'm not in the curfew area, but anywhere I want to go, is, or I have to travel through the hot spot!
And those bandits living outside the hot spots gonna have a field day coz all the police will be locking down the curfew areas!
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Let me set d record straight I am guardedly in support of the measure, I just find d planning...........if any and implementation feel real clumsy as the things that can be done to help d situation
as Brown said why remove the police post put in those areas,.... that there alone was a dumbass illconcieved move, the big question was why .....playin politics and political biases aside how exactly does simple dismantling things put in place jus because d previous gov't put it there equate to good sense what happen to evaluate and make additive...adjustment, why it is dat every new govt does feel d need to dismantle and start over.............and what is there really that can be considered as starting over to date apart from d Canadians..which not sayin much
hell I have an idea (an is not even my idea 15 years dat comin now)
why not lojack d cars and implement rostered, centrally supervised and despatched patrols, make sure d police and dem get off dey ass, particularly in d night, an do some work
dat alone go help stop:
man takin d gov't car an' to go home and park under dey house to go sleep
man tellin yuh dey ent have no car, when dey ass just lazy to come to yuh aid
would definately:
improve police presence on d streets and highways and in d hot spots because is now ah direct order and ah requirrement of dey job function
why we need ah state of emergency to have police so far up dem fellas ass dey go taste dey own shit when yuh could simply enforce ah organised and sustained police presence rather than these 10 day crackdowns dat does always go away wit a wimper
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I hope this works. I can't believe the PM would make a move like this just so. It must have been based on sound intelligence
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I hope this works. I can't believe the PM would make a move like this just so. It must have been based on sound intelligence
Jah please Sat Moonilal say no need 4 SOE and Sun we have 1. If it was on d cards then all the things will be in place and not waitin on a press conference that was 2 strt since 11 wit Sandy. Call meh police peeps and dey say passes will be avialable but if when I need 1 I cyah get it from meh local police station I go have to go HQ?
Another case of govt by vapse. As I say all govt in TNT does swing wild but this 1 swingin wit they eyes close.
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The border ting interesting :-\...Goodwood Gardens lock down because they close to La Puerta.....but 5 minutes away Goodwood park free to roam
De valley up to alyce glen on lock...but four roads free?.....bess dey shut down the whole country
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The border ting interesting :-\...Goodwood Gardens lock down because they close to La Puerta.....but 5 minutes away Goodwood park free to roam
De valley up to alyce glen on lock...but four roads free?.....bess dey shut down the whole country
d downfall of half assed planning, yuh does ever wonder what trini would be like if the authorities use dey whole ass ....ah mean...... jus once
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The border ting interesting :-\...Goodwood Gardens lock down because they close to La Puerta.....but 5 minutes away Goodwood park free to roam
De valley up to alyce glen on lock...but four roads free?.....bess dey shut down the whole country
Sometime 1/2 d street is 1 Regional Coporation and d next half another.
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I hope this works. I can't believe the PM would make a move like this just so. It must have been based on sound intelligence
Jah please Sat Moonilal say no need 4 SOE and Sun we have 1. If it was on d cards then all the things will be in place and not waitin on a press conference that was 2 strt since 11 wit Sandy. Call meh police peeps and dey say passes will be avialable but if when I need 1 I cyah get it from meh local police station I go have to go HQ?
Another case of govt by vapse. As I say all govt in TNT does swing wild but this 1 swingin wit they eyes close.
They're not on the same page and the PM probably didn't consult with the cabinet.
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I hope this works. I can't believe the PM would make a move like this just so. It must have been based on sound intelligence
Jah please Sat Moonilal say no need 4 SOE and Sun we have 1. If it was on d cards then all the things will be in place and not waitin on a press conference that was 2 strt since 11 wit Sandy. Call meh police peeps and dey say passes will be avialable but if when I need 1 I cyah get it from meh local police station I go have to go HQ?
Another case of govt by vapse. As I say all govt in TNT does swing wild but this 1 swingin wit they eyes close.
They're not on the same page and the PM probably didn't consult with the cabinet.
Dey eh even in d same book
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I hope this works. I can't believe the PM would make a move like this just so. It must have been based on sound intelligence
Jah please Sat Moonilal say no need 4 SOE and Sun we have 1. If it was on d cards then all the things will be in place and not waitin on a press conference that was 2 strt since 11 wit Sandy. Call meh police peeps and dey say passes will be avialable but if when I need 1 I cyah get it from meh local police station I go have to go HQ?
Another case of govt by vapse. As I say all govt in TNT does swing wild but this 1 swingin wit they eyes close.
They're not on the same page and the PM probably didn't consult with the cabinet.
Dey eh even in d same book
Forgive me Weary but is he on the security council? If he is, then something eh right. But if he's not, that's no surprise really.
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Forgive me Weary but is he on the security council? If he is, then something eh right. But if he's not, that's no surprise really.
if he's not on the NSC den he should have been well advised to keep his trap shot and defer d question to the security minister or PM
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I hope this works. I can't believe the PM would make a move like this just so. It must have been based on sound intelligence
Jah please Sat Moonilal say no need 4 SOE and Sun we have 1. If it was on d cards then all the things will be in place and not waitin on a press conference that was 2 strt since 11 wit Sandy. Call meh police peeps and dey say passes will be avialable but if when I need 1 I cyah get it from meh local police station I go have to go HQ?
Another case of govt by vapse. As I say all govt in TNT does swing wild but this 1 swingin wit they eyes close.
They're not on the same page and the PM probably didn't consult with the cabinet.
Dey eh even in d same book
Forgive me Weary but is he on the security council? If he is, then something eh right. But if he's not, that's no surprise really.
Who u askin bout d COP/ Min of Nat Sec? Yes they are but if yuh heard them u would realize dey eh plan this ting out. Well is d Actg COP who make yuh realize why dey went 4 Gibbs.
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Wait a minute. This curfew is for two weeks right?
September 2nd is game from7pm. bout 9, the game wud finish.
how this curfew will work in a case like this.?
i cant stand when an announcement like this is made and there is little to no information available
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Stupessss....Just like when we had de coup, it go have nuff curfew party. Man, woman and vagrant go be in St.James drinking beers normel. ;)
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Arima, without strong opposition, you get weak government, thats why PNM got away so long. I don't always agree with Rowley, but its his job to voice the peoples opposition to certain policies. It doesn't mean he would do different or has all the answers. Governments need to be held to account and thats the job of the opposition. He may well support the SOE, but judging by some comments here, not everyone feels its necessary.
9/11 was extreme, an act of terrorism and therefore a SOE was justifyable. 11 murders in 3 days is hardly an emergency. Especially when you consider that 7 happened in 2 incidents. Its like saying close down the highways coz you had 2 bad accidents in a weekend.
Who says the opposition cannot agree with something the gov't does? Therein lies the problem. The opposition should support the crime initiative and stop with the political pandering. I would agree that this gov't in totality is not doing a great job but it's not like the prior regime didn't have a massive amount of time to resolve the crime situation and they also failed miserably. If you feel because of them 7 murders is the reason for the SOE, then you are sorely mistaken. This crime situation bad for the past decade.
The opposition sounding like the replublicans in the US who don't want the ecomony to be successful because if it does they have no chance of being re-elected.
Look out for the good of the nation. I'll be the first one to say, I don't know the specifics of the SOE and how it will work, but I do know there are some military powers that they can use to take out the "bandits". Is the common citizen that is living in fear and whatever they do to get eradicate the bandits I for it. I just cannot take the political grandstanding....
Look Arima, Rowley called for discussions LONG before and got nutten but silence! Then you have members of this government who refused to support their OWN BILLS when they were in opposition! Because they wanted to make the PNM look worse...steups. government wanted
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Kamla aka Rambo
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Wait a minute. This curfew is for two weeks right?
September 2nd is game from7pm. bout 9, the game wud finish.
how this curfew will work in a case like this.?
i cant stand when an announcement like this is made and there is little to no information available
GET YUH BOAT TCKT DEY MIGHT JUST SAY DYS
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Stupessss....Just like when we had de coup, it go have nuff curfew party. Man, woman and vagrant go be in St.James drinking beers normel. ;)
It strt since last nite man talkin bout curfew party and curfew sale.
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All Blackberry owners, BB Messenger service will be suspended from 9pm to 5am as unlike voicemail and text messages, BB messages cannot be traced...spread the word...
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Arima, without strong opposition, you get weak government, thats why PNM got away so long. I don't always agree with Rowley, but its his job to voice the peoples opposition to certain policies. It doesn't mean he would do different or has all the answers. Governments need to be held to account and thats the job of the opposition. He may well support the SOE, but judging by some comments here, not everyone feels its necessary.
9/11 was extreme, an act of terrorism and therefore a SOE was justifyable. 11 murders in 3 days is hardly an emergency. Especially when you consider that 7 happened in 2 incidents. Its like saying close down the highways coz you had 2 bad accidents in a weekend.
Who says the opposition cannot agree with something the gov't does? Therein lies the problem. The opposition should support the crime initiative and stop with the political pandering. I would agree that this gov't in totality is not doing a great job but it's not like the prior regime didn't have a massive amount of time to resolve the crime situation and they also failed miserably. If you feel because of them 7 murders is the reason for the SOE, then you are sorely mistaken. This crime situation bad for the past decade.
The opposition sounding like the replublicans in the US who don't want the ecomony to be successful because if it does they have no chance of being re-elected.
Look out for the good of the nation. I'll be the first one to say, I don't know the specifics of the SOE and how it will work, but I do know there are some military powers that they can use to take out the "bandits". Is the common citizen that is living in fear and whatever they do to get eradicate the bandits I for it. I just cannot take the political grandstanding....
Look Arima, Rowley called for discussions LONG before and got nutten but silence! Then you have members of this government who refused to support their OWN BILLS when they were in opposition! Because they wanted to make the PNM look worse...steups. government wanted
I win ah bet wit a retire DCp when I wuk police. He say that d UNc woulda support d Police Reform Bills as it was there legislation. well he was wrong like an o and I got meh airfare 2 Bgo.
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All Blackberry owners, BB Messenger service will be suspended from 9pm to 5am as unlike voicemail and text messages, BB messages cannot be traced...spread the word...
So PNM Spy Squad back up and running? Reshmi come back or what.
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All Blackberry owners, BB Messenger service will be suspended from 9pm to 5am as unlike voicemail and text messages, BB messages cannot be traced...spread the word...
So PNM Spy Squad back up and running? Reshmi come back or what.
D Israel spies return d file.
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they missed out on areas like"the zone" in tunapuna, st.johns rd st augustine, curepe, certain parts of maracus valley, st.joseph as champs fleurs is only a portion of st.joseph
i see the EDR on lock down which is a given as usual
i think they should have better planned for this lock down and they should have done better investigation, in fact i believe this should be permanent in certain areas until the crime is reduced substantially
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All Blackberry owners, BB Messenger service will be suspended from 9pm to 5am as unlike voicemail and text messages, BB messages cannot be traced...spread the word...
?? Really?? That is thing to get vex 'bout.
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All Blackberry owners, BB Messenger service will be suspended from 9pm to 5am as unlike voicemail and text messages, BB messages cannot be traced...spread the word...
?? Really?? That is thing to get vex 'bout.
Who vex information is being shared.
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they missed out on areas like"the zone" in tunapuna, st.johns rd st augustine, curepe, certain parts of maracus valley, st.joseph as champs fleurs is only a portion of st.joseph
i see the EDR on lock down which is a given as usual
i think they should have better planned for this lock down and they should have done better investigation, in fact i believe this should be permanent in certain areas until the crime is reduced substantially
What you talking 'bout is a sustained police presence, as any right thinking government/police service should have done. A 2 week "lock down" or whatever is not going to solve crime. It's a crime holiday. But it does score political points fuh sure.
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All Blackberry owners, BB Messenger service will be suspended from 9pm to 5am as unlike voicemail and text messages, BB messages cannot be traced...spread the word...
?? Really?? That is thing to get vex 'bout.
Who vex information is being shared.
BBmessenger service is a major tool for criminals? Without it criminal activity done? Wouldn't they just use the next best tool? Like say msn messenger, skype, gmail, regular old talk? I don't get it. Or is it that as FS say, the youth sing like a bird and they know specifics and targeting specific people? If so then this whole lockdown thing will make sense.
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Ah just get this
Dear Members,
As you are all aware by now, in a bid to curb the spate of crime currently affecting Trinidad and Tobago, the Government has declared a limited State of Emergency in several parts of the country.
As part of the emergency regulations, there will be a curfew in the affected areas from 9.00 p.m. nightly to 5.00 a.m.
Our information to date is that the State of Emergency will remain in force for 15 days in the first instance. Should the Government see the need for an extension, the issue will be taken to Parliament where a decision will be made on the length of the extension.
We will attempt to keep you informed of further developments as they come to hand. Please see a list of the areas affected by the curfew.
We urge you and your families to be particular careful at this difficult time.
Designated Hot Spots that will see curfew from 9pm to 5am
The City of Port of Spain -
St. James East
St. James West
Woodbrook
Northern Port of Spain
Belmont East
Belmont North & West
Southern Port of Spain
East Dry River
St. Ann’s River South
St. Ann’s River Central
St. Ann’s River North
Belmont South
The City of San Fernando –
Cocoyea/Tarouba
Les Efforts East/Cipero
Les Efforts West/La Romain
Marabella East
Marabella South/Vistabella
Marabella West
Mon Repos/Navet
Pleasantville
Spring Vale/Paradise
The Borough of Arima –
Calvary
Arima North East
Arima West
Arima Central
Malabar
Tumpuna
O’Meara
The Borough of Chaguanas –
Charlieville
Edinburgh/Longdonville
Enterprise North
Enterprise South
Cunupia
Montrose
Felicity/Endevour
Munroe Road/Caroni Savannah
The San Juan/Laventille Regional Corporation –
Maracus Bay/Santa Cruz/La Fillette
Febeau/Bourg Mulatresse
Morvant/Upper Malick
San Juan West/Caledonia
St. Ann’s/Cascade/Mon Repos West
St. Barb’s Chinapoo
Beetham/Picton
Success/Trou Macaque
Aranguez/Warner Village
Barataria
Petit Bourg/Champ Fleurs/Mt. Lambert
San Juan East
The Diego Martin Regional Corporation –
Chaguaramas/Glencoe
Goodwood/La Puerta
Covinge/Richplain
Diamond Vale
Morne Coco/Alyce Glen
Petit Valley/Cocorite
St. Lucien/cameron Hill
Belle Vue/Bossiere #1 Moka/Boissiere #2
http://www.city94fm.com/connect/Boomnews/tabid/114/EntryId/278/BREAKING-NEWS-AREAS-UNDER-CURFEW.aspx
Regards,
Neil Giuseppi
General Manager
St. Andrews Golf Club (Est. 1891)
#1 St. Andrew's Wynd,
Moka, Maraval.
Tel: 629-0066 / 6187 / 6188 ext. 28
Fax: 629-2314
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Question....a place like Diamond Vale.....Yuh mean yuh hadda be in yuh house by 9:00pm? Diamond vale is a crime hotspot?
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BTW ZENGA ZENGA !!!!
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Socafan you missed d part where weary say BBM cant be traced.
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they missed out on areas like"the zone" in tunapuna, st.johns rd st augustine, curepe, certain parts of maracus valley, st.joseph as champs fleurs is only a portion of st.joseph
i see the EDR on lock down which is a given as usual
i think they should have better planned for this lock down and they should have done better investigation, in fact i believe this should be permanent in certain areas until the crime is reduced substantially
What you talking 'bout is a sustained police presence, as any right thinking government/police service should have done. A 2 week "lock down" or whatever is not going to solve crime. It's a crime holiday. But it does score political points fuh sure.
Socafan you missed d part where weary say BBM cant be traced.
THXS
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Trinidad is a small space, the police know who is bandit and who is bandit boss, don't ever think this is like London where you have to police millions.
Is a couple thousand thugs to sort out, all this BBM shyte is just that the police doh need to monitor that if they have a SOE, is straight go for the bandit wherever he is arrest him , shoot him or kill him.
If plenty lock up or blood though flow then the thing was a waste.
Allyuh have to understand that many countries exist in a permanent state of emergency or state of war but people live better than if there was not.
Do you know that Argentina and England exist under a cease fire?
Most African, middle east and asian states have state of emergency that exist for years ?
Guyana is still at war with Venezuela and Brazil ?
I totally fed up with these bandits killing innocents , robbing people , making a paradise a hell and some tired people in here only on politics ?
HYMC .
Shoot to kill!! get rid of these thugs and beasts who rape mutilate and kill babies , in fact give me a gun an line them up I will do the job mihself
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they missed out on areas like"the zone" in tunapuna, st.johns rd st augustine, curepe, certain parts of maracus valley, st.joseph as champs fleurs is only a portion of st.joseph
i see the EDR on lock down which is a given as usual
i think they should have better planned for this lock down and they should have done better investigation, in fact i believe this should be permanent in certain areas until the crime is reduced substantially
What you talking 'bout is a sustained police presence, as any right thinking government/police service should have done. A 2 week "lock down" or whatever is not going to solve crime. It's a crime holiday. But it does score political points fuh sure.
that is an option but I find our police force ineffective
i would rather a military presence with the authority to use excessive force if necessary
raids and road blocks for at least 6 months, new prisons would be needed, as well as a juvenile detention/rehab center in the north and south.
its about time TT clean up, in fact, forget 6 months, it should ongoing until the crime is under 20 murders a year or less. we also need a better system for social workers to get into troubled areas and work with single parents and kids, we are lacking in terms of the number of social workers in TT
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You cannot shut down BBM, the telecoms can shut down their data networks but you cannot isolate one application.
Only RIM can shut down BBM.
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Great now we are going to be added on the international list of unsafe places to visit >:(
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Great now we are going to be added on the international list of unsafe places to visit >:(
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
So what ?
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Great now we are going to be added on the international list of unsafe places to visit >:(
I thought we was on that list already but was trying to do whatever is required to get off? ???
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Great now we are going to be added on the international list of unsafe places to visit >:(
I still visiting in the nexx 2 weeks...
but it only on for a max of 15 days right?
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I know one thing....people who have booked holidays in Tobago will be advised not to come, and that stigma will stay for a couple of years. Egypt invested heavily in tourism and then had bombs in Taba Heights in (I think 2004) Next year I booked to go there and it was cheaper than going on holiday in UK. 5* all inclusive...real bargain. Thing is, while I was there, there were bombs in Sham Al Sheik, so tourism took another knock. State of Emergencies are a major measure and the repercussions will take a long time to go away.
In fact, expect FIFA to order the next few T&T games to be played overseas, because teams like Bermuda won't come here.
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9/11 was extreme, an act of terrorism and therefore a SOE was justifyable.
No state of emergency was even declared after 9/11... just to put things in perspective.
Thing is, War, it effects everyone not just the crims. Last Weds I had to drive to Mount Hope just after midnight as I had extreme pain from a gum infection. If that happened tonight, what would I do? These police have itchy trigger fingers at the best of times. I understand we have to make sacrifices, but we also need to live in a free society. The many good people living in these "hotspots" no doubt want to have their fear removed, but do they also want to be imprisoned, so all they do is work and come home? And what about the effects on the bars, restaurants and clubs and tourism in Tobago? Imagime how afraid these tourists in Tobago will be. They sure ain't coming back. And govts aall over the world advising people not to travel to T&T. It may only last 15 days, but that impression of T&T will stick in the minds of some for years. So much for boosting tourism.
Funny... I remember you being on the other side of this debate in that Jack Warner thread. Not at all trying to score cheap points, just underscoring my position that the rule of law is always bigger than any temporary situation, and most situations are "temporary." It is always tempting to reach for extreme measures and to lose sight of perspective, as this situation presents.
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"No state of emergency was even declared after 9/11... just to put things in perspective."
Seriously Bakes? Well that puts this further into perspective then!
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"No state of emergency was even declared after 9/11... just to put things in perspective."
Seriously Bakes? Well that puts this further into perspective then!
I honestly don't think a national state of emergency has been declared in the US since German U-boats were encamped in NY harbor during WWII.
State of Emergency was declared in Louisiana 6 years ago when Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans... maybe one was declared in the spring when tornadoes hit Alabama... maybe. The reasons in both those cases was to empower the National Guard (essentially a standing army in each state) in each state to use their police powers and help with cleanup. State of Emergency is nothing to be trifled with.
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9/11 was extreme, an act of terrorism and therefore a SOE was justifyable.
No state of emergency was even declared after 9/11... just to put things in perspective.
Thing is, War, it effects everyone not just the crims. Last Weds I had to drive to Mount Hope just after midnight as I had extreme pain from a gum infection. If that happened tonight, what would I do? These police have itchy trigger fingers at the best of times. I understand we have to make sacrifices, but we also need to live in a free society. The many good people living in these "hotspots" no doubt want to have their fear removed, but do they also want to be imprisoned, so all they do is work and come home? And what about the effects on the bars, restaurants and clubs and tourism in Tobago? Imagime how afraid these tourists in Tobago will be. They sure ain't coming back. And govts aall over the world advising people not to travel to T&T. It may only last 15 days, but that impression of T&T will stick in the minds of some for years. So much for boosting tourism.
Funny... I remember you being on the other side of this debate in that Jack Warner thread. Not at all trying to score cheap points, just underscoring my position that the rule of law is always bigger than any temporary situation, and most situations are "temporary." It is always tempting to reach for extreme measures and to lose sight of perspective, as this situation presents.
LOL, no points scoring today mate! But actually, I'm not sure what you were referring to....unless it was the stop and search matter, but wasn't that in the London riots thread?
Whatever. I am for the police and Army clamping down, in fact I would welcome it, but I think an SOE is excessive.
I would like to see checkpoints and roadblocks in practice like they used in Northern Ireland. At the least it would cut down on drink driving (which I'm ashamed to say I have only done since living here).
As a side effect of the SOE, I imagine that some of the poorest paid people, such as waiters, bar tenders, fast food workers, late night shop staff etc, will have their hours cut, and thus will be receiving less income. Also, the doubles vendors, taxi drivers etc. How does this help?
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"No state of emergency was even declared after 9/11... just to put things in perspective."
Seriously Bakes? Well that puts this further into perspective then!
I honestly don't think a national state of emergency has been declared in the US since German U-boats were encamped in NY harbor during WWII.
State of Emergency was declared in Louisiana 6 years ago when Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans... maybe one was declared in the spring when tornadoes hit Alabama... maybe. The reasons in both those cases was to empower the National Guard (essentially a standing army in each state) in each state to use their police powers and help with cleanup. State of Emergency is nothing to be trifled with.
Exactly my point. This is a big thing...and a mistake in my opinion.
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Trinidad is in an effin mess. To any Trinis who feel otherwise, I am genuinely sorry that you have become used to that level of violence. I bet everyone on this site could identify at least one person they know affected by a serious crime within the last 3 months alone. That cannot be right.
I know every time I pull into my driveway in TnT the security precautions I have to take are ridiculous. I would never even dare walking home or around the neighbourhood. And with good reason, three of my neighbours have been raided at gunpoint in the last 6 weeks...and that's the kind of crime that doesn't even get reported anymore, cuz for Trinidad dat is normel.
I am glad to see my neighbourhood on that list. I hope (or assume) this is a temporary measure while they come up with a better plan, but for now it is better than the nothing we had last week.
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LOL, no points scoring today mate! But actually, I'm not sure what you were referring to....unless it was the stop and search matter, but wasn't that in the London riots thread?
Whatever. I am for the police and Army clamping down, in fact I would welcome it, but I think an SOE is excessive.
I would like to see checkpoints and roadblocks in practice like they used in Northern Ireland. At the least it would cut down on drink driving (which I'm ashamed to say I have only done since living here).
As a side effect of the SOE, I imagine that some of the poorest paid people, such as waiters, bar tenders, fast food workers, late night shop staff etc, will have their hours cut, and thus will be receiving less income. Also, the doubles vendors, taxi drivers etc. How does this help?
Nah, was in the Bin Hamman/Jack Warner thread when we were discussing searching Warner's bank accounts without a warrant, or police stopping a man on the street and finding $10,000 dollars on him. Your position was that the police should have the right to search his bank accounts without more.
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LOL, no points scoring today mate! But actually, I'm not sure what you were referring to....unless it was the stop and search matter, but wasn't that in the London riots thread?
Whatever. I am for the police and Army clamping down, in fact I would welcome it, but I think an SOE is excessive.
I would like to see checkpoints and roadblocks in practice like they used in Northern Ireland. At the least it would cut down on drink driving (which I'm ashamed to say I have only done since living here).
As a side effect of the SOE, I imagine that some of the poorest paid people, such as waiters, bar tenders, fast food workers, late night shop staff etc, will have their hours cut, and thus will be receiving less income. Also, the doubles vendors, taxi drivers etc. How does this help?
Nah, was in the Bin Hamman/Jack Warner thread when we were discussing searching Warner's bank accounts without a warrant, or police stopping a man on the street and finding $10,000 dollars on him. Your position was that the police should have the right to search his bank accounts without more.
Oh yeah, remember that one. Anyhoo, back to the SOE!!
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Trinidad is in an effin mess. To any Trinis who feel otherwise, I am genuinely sorry that you have become used to that level of violence. I bet everyone on this site could identify at least one person they know affected by a serious crime within the last 3 months alone. That cannot be right.
I know every time I pull into my driveway in TnT the security precautions I have to take are ridiculous. I would never even dare walking home or around the neighbourhood. And with good reason, three of my neighbours have been raided at gunpoint in the last 6 weeks...and that's the kind of crime that doesn't even get reported anymore, cuz for Trinidad dat is normel.
I am glad to see my neighbourhood on that list. I hope (or assume) this is a temporary measure while they come up with a better plan, but for now it is better than the nothing we had last week.
I don't think that anyone will dispute what you're saying - the question is whether or not a state of emergency will have a positive effect on it...
I can't affirmatively say yes to that because I don't know what the tactical approach will be once everything is shut down... I think there is a lot of skepticism that this State of Emergency will acheive nothing and potentially even have purpose defeating effects...I can relate to that skepticism regardless of what I think of T&T broken society.
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Just like the previous admin., they don't have clue how to resolve the violence. So they trying the limited SOE. Will it work? I honestly hope it work. Because only my people killing one another. I know the legal minds on the forum will have exceptions to my opinion. But 11 murders in a 48 hr period and shows no signs of stopping is not accepted, by me at least. At this point the end justify the means. This SOE will also keep the union at bay for the time being.So that is another "ketch" to this episode. Patrick did not want to go that route because the opposition would call him a dictator like Burnham or Mugabe. So I guess Kamla is ah "dictator". The only thing is, we have no woman dictator to compare her with.
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You cannot shut down BBM, the telecoms can shut down their data networks but you cannot isolate one application.
Only RIM can shut down BBM.
BBM mean Bring Back Manning.
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As long as this SOE ends with some snakes getting their heads cut of, I good. It's a waste of time if they only cutting of tails. Tails grow back. I lost 2 brother to this craziness. One get ketch in England bringing in 5 Kg of cocaine. Bam a year a kilo. Life done. Another one get tie up in some appliance robbery Bam he dead, mame in the house alone. I know a lot of people like to surmise on stuff, but the truth is the general public has been on a violence imposed SOE for a while now. At this point, any change will do, no need to wait for more innocent blood in the drain.
Ey TC..How u doing brother?
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As long as this SOE ends with some snakes getting their heads cut of, I good. It's a waste of time if they only cutting of tails. Tails grow back. I lost 2 brother to this craziness. One get ketch in England bringing in 5 Kg of cocaine. Bam a year a kilo. Life done. Another one get tie up in some appliance robbery Bam he dead, mame in the house alone. I know a lot of people like to surmise on stuff, but the truth is the general public has been on a violence imposed SOE for a while now. At this point, any change will do, no need to wait for more innocent blood in the drain.
Ey TC..How u doing brother?
I dey I dodging police up here in Laventille!
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As long as this SOE ends with some snakes getting their heads cut of, I good. It's a waste of time if they only cutting of tails. Tails grow back. I lost 2 brother to this craziness. One get ketch in England bringing in 5 Kg of cocaine. Bam a year a kilo. Life done. Another one get tie up in some appliance robbery Bam he dead, mame in the house alone. I know a lot of people like to surmise on stuff, but the truth is the general public has been on a violence imposed SOE for a while now. At this point, any change will do, no need to wait for more innocent blood in the drain.
Ey TC..How u doing brother?
:rotfl: See all that bring back PNM they coming for you. ;D
I dey I dodging police up here in Laventille!
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For all the dolly house Kamla playing with the country I really hope she and she crew spot on in this case. This eh no joking matter.
Like Jah posted earlier and a few other commentators I've read during the day stated, this must be because of something dem know that we eh know....and it have to be bad....
Also, like Preacher if somebody(ies) big in the drug game eh goh down in this SOE period, this would have been a waste of time.....
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well they could search anybody and any place they want. They better find / hold some big fish
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Just as I suspected... they could stop anybody and search them and they could enter people property (by force if necessary) and search it. Yuh can't have any public meeting or marches (except school or prayers) without Gibbs' permission... and he and he alone have say-so. So much fuh police and dem protesting.
They could also arrest whoever they want... and lock them up. They could keep them locked up for more than 24 hours only if a magistrate say so... but more importantly, they could avoid going to a magistrate altogether by getting somebody from ASP or above to sign off on the detention.
http://www.news.gov.tt/E-Gazette/Gazette%202011/Legal%20Notice/Legal%20Notice%20No.%20163%20of%202011.pdf
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well they could search anybody and any place they want. They better find / hold some big fish
Eh holding meh breath
Brown I hope u correck and I will c what meh peeps in d know sayin.
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dem is real jokers...I would not have been in opposition to a full state of emergency...steups limited my ass...so de bandits and dem cyar drive to another location? steups....and what is de real plan?
I feel is to terrorize PNM supporters...lol
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Just as I suspected... they could stop anybody and search them and they could enter people property (by force if necessary) and search it. Yuh can't have any public meeting or marches (except school or prayers) without Gibbs' permission... and he and he alone have say-so. So much fuh police and dem protesting.
They could also arrest whoever they want... and lock them up. They could keep them locked up for more than 24 hours only if a magistrate say so... but more importantly, they could avoid going to a magistrate altogether by getting somebody from ASP or above to sign off on the detention.
http://www.news.gov.tt/E-Gazette/Gazette%202011/Legal%20Notice/Legal%20Notice%20No.%20163%20of%202011.pdf
The A.G. just say on CNC3 that the anti gang legislation means they can detain without charge for 3 days and then apply to magistrate for extention STILL WITHOUT CHARGES.
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Just as I suspected... they could stop anybody and search them and they could enter people property (by force if necessary) and search it. Yuh can't have any public meeting or marches (except school or prayers) without Gibbs' permission... and he and he alone have say-so. So much fuh police and dem protesting.
They could also arrest whoever they want... and lock them up. They could keep them locked up for more than 24 hours only if a magistrate say so... but more importantly, they could avoid going to a magistrate altogether by getting somebody from ASP or above to sign off on the detention.
http://www.news.gov.tt/E-Gazette/Gazette%202011/Legal%20Notice/Legal%20Notice%20No.%20163%20of%202011.pdf
ding, ding, ding!!! She/they playing with fire though. That little place produce too much insurrectionists in its short history. Maybe she unaware?
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And why de state of emergency in dem areas where they removed police posts?
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Tonight will be interesting ! , The place dead quiet outside , you could hear a pin drop.
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Plenty criticism and griping and 5 pages later, not one alternative solution proposed..
If someone here has a better suggestion I'm all ears, cmon let's hear it.....
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Tonight will be interesting ! , The place dead quiet outside , you could hear a pin drop.
Run outside and buss some carbide.
Put it on youtube.
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Plenty criticism and griping and 5 pages later, not one alternative solution proposed..
If someone here has a better suggestion I'm all ears, cmon let's hear it.....
Not you self was bitching about "grossest violation of civil rights" when Kamla was gallavanting in Parliament about the alleged eavesdropping?? Well that was proposed as an anti-crime measure, right? Where was your alternative solution then??
This is the most severe threat to civil liberties since the coup, and circumstances not a fraction as dire. You self in that "Will you return to Trinidad to live" was talking about how good things is and man exaggerating the situation. Now you in here talking about how bad it is and state of emergency justified?
yuh want alternative plan? That is what yuh elected leaders are being paid taxpayer dollars for. Where is the government plan for crime? Is on a f**king messageboard yuh want to come challenging people for plan?
steups
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Just as I suspected... they could stop anybody and search them and they could enter people property (by force if necessary) and search it. Yuh can't have any public meeting or marches (except school or prayers) without Gibbs' permission... and he and he alone have say-so. So much fuh police and dem protesting.
They could also arrest whoever they want... and lock them up. They could keep them locked up for more than 24 hours only if a magistrate say so... but more importantly, they could avoid going to a magistrate altogether by getting somebody from ASP or above to sign off on the detention.
http://www.news.gov.tt/E-Gazette/Gazette%202011/Legal%20Notice/Legal%20Notice%20No.%20163%20of%202011.pdf
The A.G. just say on CNC3 that the anti gang legislation means they can detain without charge for 3 days and then apply to magistrate for extention STILL WITHOUT CHARGES.
they already did a movie on what about to happen in TT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendition_(film) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendition_(film))
:D
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if i wake up in the morning and i hear that another murder occured overnight in one of the hotpsot areas that lockdown, is best they just end dis SOE and throw dey frame
and anyhow, criminals dont be killing each other in the dead of night again. is in broad daylight boldface dem criminals be pumping.
and dinho, most ppl bitching, but can u blame them? ppl losing revenue, internationally, the country looking bad, ppl basic rights affected. i for one not too pleased cuz i affected but i hushing my mouth and giving it a chance
my whole issue is why only certain areas gettin locked down when crime is all over T&T.
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Bakes, this is grossest hypocrisy!
They came to power promising an action plan to end the crime in 120 days and so far is State of Emergency in we ass.
Nice eh?
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Plenty criticism and griping and 5 pages later, not one alternative solution proposed..
If someone here has a better suggestion I'm all ears, cmon let's hear it.....
Breds, the last time I was in Trini, bout a year ago, I drive from Arima to POS and eh see one pissing police. Then in town those I see only driving around with their lights flashing while people only driving past, around, infront, sideways all around them like maniacs.
Ah police tell me up Maracas that a noparking sign mean no parking right where the sign is. I could park along the road in between that sign and the next one 40ft away.
People telling me to this day when they call the police station, police still telling them they eh have no car, if yuh could come pick them up. In 1977 a Western Division police officer tell my mother that, the night she wake up and some clown was rummaging through a kitchen drawer in Diamond Vale. He already had the back door open and just run out and disappear. They show up out of the blue 2 days later in a jeep with all kinda big ass machine gun. Even me as a youth buss a laugh at that.
Kamla say they spending plenty money on police, but mustbe on topbrass salaries. Of course they need to train the police better, but, what they really need is more police on the road, everywhere. Yuh eh supposed to be able to go anywhere for more than 10 minutes without seeing a police car. Sustained police presence..all the damn time, not no limited state of emergency crap. Thats limited crime fighting.
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if i wake up in the morning and i hear that another murder occured overnight in one of the hotpsot areas that lockdown, is best they just end dis SOE and throw dey frame
and anyhow, criminals dont be killing each other in the dead of night again. is in broad daylight boldface dem criminals be pumping.
and dinho, most ppl bitching, but can u blame them? ppl losing revenue, internationally, the country looking bad, ppl basic rights affected. i for one not too pleased cuz i affected but i hushing my mouth and giving it a chance
my whole issue is why only certain areas gettin locked down when crime is all over T&T.
Just a thought hoss, but how you know this isn't part of the plan? Peeps from Curepe out on the streets feeling safe, then POW, police arrest them. The powers extend across the country, as much as I can gather. If you have total lockdown, there'll be no one to arrest! So maybe the plan is to let the crims move around in "safe" areas. John Sandy said the procedure for approaching a road block is this: "Slow down, turn on your interior light, dim your head lights, lower front window, have your ID ready."
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Bakes, this is grossest hypocrisy!
They came to power promising an action plan to end the crime in 120 days and so far is State of Emergency in we ass.
Nice eh?
State ah emergency eh no plan... daiz ah reaction. Maybe that is why they send people like dinho here, tuh see if one ah we have ah plan :devil:
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if i wake up in the morning and i hear that another murder occured overnight in one of the hotpsot areas that lockdown, is best they just end dis SOE and throw dey frame
and anyhow, criminals dont be killing each other in the dead of night again. is in broad daylight boldface dem criminals be pumping.
and dinho, most ppl bitching, but can u blame them? ppl losing revenue, internationally, the country looking bad, ppl basic rights affected. i for one not too pleased cuz i affected but i hushing my mouth and giving it a chance
my whole issue is why only certain areas gettin locked down when crime is all over T&T.
Just hope dat nobody eh dead in d non hot spot because then they go say it is migration.
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Lets just wait and see how this goes and what it achieves.
I was trying hard to not say anything...but on TV6 10 o clock news I hear Ramberchan talking and I utterly convinced now dat dis just a speculative effort.
Dominic Kalipersad asking him..."So what would you say is the major cause of the outbreak of crime in the country? The influx of drugs? The influx of guns? What?"
Ramberchan went on at a rate saying that the problem is the influx of guns. At no time did he mention what causes this influx of guns...what is the motivating factor for these guns being present..and totally disregarded the connection that drugs may play in that. Which to me not suprising since his name was mentioned in the Scott Carter Drug report quite a few years ago.
Then talking about the government working which is why the 19 year old was caught with drugs. Well if you cant catch somebody moving with suitcases with 22 million dollars in cocaine...and while I appreciate that some degree of sense was employed.....I skeptical about how much surveillance was done...or is being done to make efforts like that.
On the plus side this is how i see it. If there is/was surveillance being done...then these measures where police/army can enter premises....detain and basically use whatever force they deem fit (as told to me by an army officer who is part of this excercise) then I would sincerely HOPE that more sizeable busts of not just drugs...but ammunition and arms are done within the time and regions that this State Of Emergency exists.
If not.....den dis proves that this is government by PR. And i real glad that the crime situation was so bad that it caused somebody to be healed from their dengue in a record 4 days. Dat showing dey serious.
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Classic dengue appears quick and is cured quicker.
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Bakes, this is grossest hypocrisy!
They came to power promising an action plan to end the crime in 120 days and so far is State of Emergency in we ass.
Nice eh?
State ah emergency eh no plan... daiz ah reaction. Maybe that is why they send people like dinho here, tuh see if one ah we have ah plan :devil:
:rotfl: :rotfl:
on another note, plenty trinis posting stuff on facebook so by now the whole world think we living in the wild west.
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if i wake up in the morning and i hear that another murder occured overnight in one of the hotpsot areas that lockdown, is best they just end dis SOE and throw dey frame
and anyhow, criminals dont be killing each other in the dead of night again. is in broad daylight boldface dem criminals be pumping.
and dinho, most ppl bitching, but can u blame them? ppl losing revenue, internationally, the country looking bad, ppl basic rights affected. i for one not too pleased cuz i affected but i hushing my mouth and giving it a chance
my whole issue is why only certain areas gettin locked down when crime is all over T&T.
Just a thought hoss, but how you know this isn't part of the plan? Peeps from Curepe out on the streets feeling safe, then POW, police arrest them. The powers extend across the country, as much as I can gather. If you have total lockdown, there'll be no one to arrest! So maybe the plan is to let the crims move around in "safe" areas. John Sandy said the procedure for approaching a road block is this: "Slow down, turn on your interior light, dim your head lights, lower front window, have your ID ready."
and how u so sure that it is a part of the plan. that guessing game of hoping to ketch somebody in the non hot spot areas eh go wuk. if u have a total lockdown, d criminal and dem wud have nowhere to hide. but i really dont know. i leave this up to d ppl in charge
im female by the way ;)
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They say Kamla still not fully recovered, and she certainly didn't look very perky this morning.
On another note, don't y'all find it suspicious and extremely coincidental that out Canadian crime fighters are both out of the country? Granted, they may have been away when this was decided, but surely you want the best paid policeman in the world to fly back immediately? I mean, if they told him they were considering the SOE sunday afternoon, surely they would tell him to get a flight back, even a private jet? They wouldn't say "nah man, you and Tonto enjoy the beach, we got this covered"?
Gibbs and Tonto not been mentioned once on tv news, not even "The commissioner is fully aware" or "Gibbs has briefed his senior staff by skype" or "Tonto sent a BBM to the desk sergeant in Belmont" Nothing. And then the A.G. referred to the assistant commissioner as "commissioner"
Hmmm................
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Plenty criticism and griping and 5 pages later, not one alternative solution proposed..
If someone here has a better suggestion I'm all ears, cmon let's hear it.....
Why yuh doh go and ask Kamla for the all de plans she and she crew had when they was in opposition??!! What de arse!! I doh remember any one we on dis forum standing up on a campaign trail and pledging to solve crime??
I'm all ears for a solution from this government over ah year now and all I hearing is crickets.....and to compound things in de space ah two weeks dem went from ponging up dey chest bout murders going down to a limited state of emergency??
You does talk bout people objectivity but like yuh cyar see de beam in yuh own eye!! steups!!
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if i wake up in the morning and i hear that another murder occured overnight in one of the hotpsot areas that lockdown, is best they just end dis SOE and throw dey frame
and anyhow, criminals dont be killing each other in the dead of night again. is in broad daylight boldface dem criminals be pumping.
and dinho, most ppl bitching, but can u blame them? ppl losing revenue, internationally, the country looking bad, ppl basic rights affected. i for one not too pleased cuz i affected but i hushing my mouth and giving it a chance
my whole issue is why only certain areas gettin locked down when crime is all over T&T.
Just a thought hoss, but how you know this isn't part of the plan? Peeps from Curepe out on the streets feeling safe, then POW, police arrest them. The powers extend across the country, as much as I can gather. If you have total lockdown, there'll be no one to arrest! So maybe the plan is to let the crims move around in "safe" areas. John Sandy said the procedure for approaching a road block is this: "Slow down, turn on your interior light, dim your head lights, lower front window, have your ID ready."
and how u so sure that it is a part of the plan. that guessing game of hoping to ketch somebody in the non hot spot areas eh go wuk. if u have a total lockdown, d criminal and dem wud have nowhere to hide. but i really dont know. i leave this up to d ppl in charge
im female by the way ;)
My bad! (Is there a female version of hoss thats not discrimitary or sexist? lol)
I don't know, I'm just guessing. But I got robbed at gunpoint in Curepe, Kevin Jeffrey (of North East Stars) got his car stolen at gunpoint outside the Pro League office in Curepe and plenty marajuana fields burned by police in Maracas St Joseph, yet this ain't no hot spot? Murders in Tunapuna, but thats not there either? And apparently theres no crime at all north of Arima?
Just doesn't make sense. They give a huge list of hot spots, so why not just lockdown everywhere?
I mean, technically, as I'm not in a hot spot, can I drive down to Burger King in Curepe, or Marios, St Augustine, or KFC in Tunapuna? Or must I carry ID? Can I get onto the highway and get a Japs from Valencia? Coz if I can, then the bandits can. Thats all I'm trying to say.
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Them two bandit who try ah thing to rob the place in Arima this morning didnt watch the news last night ::) . 2 get blast away from the Cops and one get hold. The mysterious thing is where they get assault rifles from, fully automatic. I think i saw a Glock and a two FN FAL. Seeing that Venezuela uses that rifle as there standard rifle, i suspect that they are coming in from there.
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Them two bandit who try ah thing to rob the place in Arima didnt watch the news last night ::) . 2 get blast away from the Cops and one get hold. The mysterious thing is where they get assault rifles from, fully automatic. I think i saw a Glock and a FN FAL. Seeing that Venezuela uses that rifles as there standard rifle, i suspect that they are coming in from there.
Its only 5 miles away!! You can do that on a peddlo if the tides right!
But what kind of cranky gangsta robs a business just when it opens? Surely you wait until theres some money in the till first?
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if i wake up in the morning and i hear that another murder occured overnight in one of the hotpsot areas that lockdown, is best they just end dis SOE and throw dey frame
and anyhow, criminals dont be killing each other in the dead of night again. is in broad daylight boldface dem criminals be pumping.
and dinho, most ppl bitching, but can u blame them? ppl losing revenue, internationally, the country looking bad, ppl basic rights affected. i for one not too pleased cuz i affected but i hushing my mouth and giving it a chance
my whole issue is why only certain areas gettin locked down when crime is all over T&T.
Just a thought hoss, but how you know this isn't part of the plan? Peeps from Curepe out on the streets feeling safe, then POW, police arrest them. The powers extend across the country, as much as I can gather. If you have total lockdown, there'll be no one to arrest! So maybe the plan is to let the crims move around in "safe" areas. John Sandy said the procedure for approaching a road block is this: "Slow down, turn on your interior light, dim your head lights, lower front window, have your ID ready."
and how u so sure that it is a part of the plan. that guessing game of hoping to ketch somebody in the non hot spot areas eh go wuk. if u have a total lockdown, d criminal and dem wud have nowhere to hide. but i really dont know. i leave this up to d ppl in charge
im female by the way ;)
My bad! (Is there a female version of hoss thats not discrimitary or sexist? lol)
I don't know, I'm just guessing. But I got robbed at gunpoint in Curepe, Kevin Jeffrey (of North East Stars) got his car stolen at gunpoint outside the Pro League office in Curepe and plenty marajuana fields burned by police in Maracas St Joseph, yet this ain't no hot spot? Murders in Tunapuna, but thats not there either? And apparently theres no crime at all north of Arima?
Just doesn't make sense. They give a huge list of hot spots, so why not just lockdown everywhere?
I mean, technically, as I'm not in a hot spot, can I drive down to Burger King in Curepe, or Marios, St Augustine, or KFC in Tunapuna? Or must I carry ID? Can I get onto the highway and get a Japs from Valencia? Coz if I can, then the bandits can. Thats all I'm trying to say.
Touche 8)
i was also suprised places like La Horquetta and Moruga and Curepe wasnt on the list. But I am a wait and see kinda person. i cant judge if this SOE make sense from one night. by the end of the week i think we can gauge how effective this exercise is
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They say Kamla still not fully recovered, and she certainly didn't look very perky this morning.
On another note, don't y'all find it suspicious and extremely coincidental that out Canadian crime fighters are both out of the country? Granted, they may have been away when this was decided, but surely you want the best paid policeman in the world to fly back immediately? I mean, if they told him they were considering the SOE sunday afternoon, surely they would tell him to get a flight back, even a private jet? They wouldn't say "nah man, you and Tonto enjoy the beach, we got this covered"?
Gibbs and Tonto not been mentioned once on tv news, not even "The commissioner is fully aware" or "Gibbs has briefed his senior staff by skype" or "Tonto sent a BBM to the desk sergeant in Belmont" Nothing. And then the A.G. referred to the assistant commissioner as "commissioner"
Hmmm................
Hmmmmmm......Could be is Gibbs and Tonto they looking for, me eh know.
Really, thats unusual......but not for Trini.
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if i wake up in the morning and i hear that another murder occured overnight in one of the hotpsot areas that lockdown, is best they just end dis SOE and throw dey frame
and anyhow, criminals dont be killing each other in the dead of night again. is in broad daylight boldface dem criminals be pumping.
and dinho, most ppl bitching, but can u blame them? ppl losing revenue, internationally, the country looking bad, ppl basic rights affected. i for one not too pleased cuz i affected but i hushing my mouth and giving it a chance
my whole issue is why only certain areas gettin locked down when crime is all over T&T.
Just a thought hoss, but how you know this isn't part of the plan? Peeps from Curepe out on the streets feeling safe, then POW, police arrest them. The powers extend across the country, as much as I can gather. If you have total lockdown, there'll be no one to arrest! So maybe the plan is to let the crims move around in "safe" areas. John Sandy said the procedure for approaching a road block is this: "Slow down, turn on your interior light, dim your head lights, lower front window, have your ID ready."
and how u so sure that it is a part of the plan. that guessing game of hoping to ketch somebody in the non hot spot areas eh go wuk. if u have a total lockdown, d criminal and dem wud have nowhere to hide. but i really dont know. i leave this up to d ppl in charge
im female by the way ;)
My bad! (Is there a female version of hoss thats not discrimitary or sexist? lol)
I don't know, I'm just guessing. But I got robbed at gunpoint in Curepe, Kevin Jeffrey (of North East Stars) got his car stolen at gunpoint outside the Pro League office in Curepe and plenty marajuana fields burned by police in Maracas St Joseph, yet this ain't no hot spot? Murders in Tunapuna, but thats not there either? And apparently theres no crime at all north of Arima?
Just doesn't make sense. They give a huge list of hot spots, so why not just lockdown everywhere?
I mean, technically, as I'm not in a hot spot, can I drive down to Burger King in Curepe, or Marios, St Augustine, or KFC in Tunapuna? Or must I carry ID? Can I get onto the highway and get a Japs from Valencia? Coz if I can, then the bandits can. Thats all I'm trying to say.
Touche 8)
i was also suprised places like La Horquetta and Moruga and Curepe wasnt on the list. But I am a wait and see kinda person. i cant judge if this SOE make sense from one night. by the end of the week i think we can gauge how effective this exercise is
Aye.........ketch yuh self!!! MOruga is paradise we.
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Unconfirmed reports of looting in POS. :o :o :o
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Unconfirmed reports of looting in POS. :o :o :o
You lie. People want to dead?
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Criminal migration
By CECILY ASSON Tuesday, August 23 2011
POLICE officers in so called “cool areas” in South Trinidad have expressed concern over the four hour head start which they claimed criminals received when Prime Minister Kamla Persad- Bissessar announced on Sunday, a limited state of emergency.
Angry officers told Newsday yesterday that they were not informed ahead of Sunday’s development and were not prepared and are now in fear that there could be an influx of criminals from all over the country, moving into the southern and south-western divisions.
The officers said these divisions have always attracted criminals from “outside” and many of them have been arrested in connection with crimes in the area.
At 8 pm on Sunday, in a televised address to the nation, Persad-Bissessar announced that as from midnight, the country was being placed under a limited state of emergency, the details of which she said would be given the following day (yesterday). Speaking yesterday on condition of anonymity, a senior police officer told Newsday that in the past they have had to deal with the migration of criminals into the quieter areas in the south.
He said, “On Sunday, those criminals were given a head start on us and it is a headache for us down here now. Things should have been in place before such an announcement was made. Imagine we are police officers and the media know about it before us.”
He said details such as roadblocks should have been set up before the announcement was made.
A curfew of 9 pm to 5 am went into effect from last night.
Point Fortin, Siparia, Penal, Debe and environs are part of the south western district.
In the south, the city of San Fernando has been deemed a hotspot. Assistant Commissioner of Police (Crime) Fitzroy Frederick told Newsday yesterday that details were still being worked out as to the exact areas in San Fernando. He said: “At this time we are still in meetings. We are still working out the details as to the areas that will be affected.”
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So the State of Emergency is NOT LIMITED....but a national state of emergency!
ah hah
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It’s an attempt to undermine unions
Published: Tue, 2011-08-23 22:20
Radhica Sookraj
An hour before Government’s limited state of emergency kicked in, president general of the Oilfields Workers’ Trade Union Ancel Roget accused Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar of attempting to undermine the labour movement by enforcing a limited curfew in hot spot crime areas. Speaking at his office at Paramount Building, San Fernando, on Sunday night, Roget said he knew days before the Government was plotting to call a limited state of emergency without caring that such a move would undermine investor confidence in T&T. Saying the Government was “two-tongue and contradictory,” Roget pointed out it was just a few weeks ago that National Security Minister John Sandy made public statements that his Government had a proper handle on crime, based on a statistical decrease in murders and criminal activities.
“Now they are calling a limited state of emergency, based on high crime, and we have to first question why. We do not trust them. “This Government is a bit shady and we do not believe this limited state of emergency has anything to do with crime. They are trying to suppress the labour movement.” Roget said.
Saying he did not believe there was any criminal plot to undermine the Government despite reports that two Opposition MPs were issued death threats last Friday, Roget added: “We have been hearing of this state of emergency for quite a while, so we are definitely not surprised. “It is about iron fist rule, marshall law rule and they will have their way at any cost but time longer than twine." Roget also said Government was afraid of the repercussions of a national shutdown.
He said despite the enforcement of a curfew, the labour movement would continue to mobilise the national public. He added: “We will continue our campaign, state of emergency or not. I am not fearful for this state of emergency or of being arrested. “It is part of my job description. This state of emergency came a couple days late, based on our calculations. We know every step they will be taking. “They are not able to govern properly. It’s one year, three months after taking office and they have squandered the opportunity to take the country forward. They want to use the court to suppress us and now this.” Roget said his union planned to continue its mobilisation on the ground in some of the areas which the Government deemed as hot spots, including Arima and Point Lisas.
He said next Tuesday, a mobilisation meeting would be held in Point Lisas. During a news conference on Sunday, Persad-Bissessar denied that the decision for a limited state of emergency was a plot to suppress the labour movement. She said: “This is a crime-fighting measure. It is nothing else, but a crime-fighting measure. The areas identified by protective services will not affect people gathering or unions if they want to take legal industrial action. It will not stop them from so doing.”
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sitting in an airport and reading the news on my android...this T&T going to hell in a basket yes....steups
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sitting in an airport and reading the news on my android...this T&T going to hell in a basket yes....steups
is the people who took this once paradise to 'hell'. then we have those who now complaining bout back to school shopping, inconvenience, can't lime.. all kinda f**kery when action is being taken. Fack who, how when.. shut down the facking place and deal with the animals!
I bet not one person who was the victim of a crime will complain.
the biggest mistake this govt make since in office is not hiring weary as they chief maco. how this woman always know everything, some kinda inside source and always have ah "fren"...
them fancy Israeli gizmos eh want nothing with she abilities!
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sitting in an airport and reading the news on my android...this T&T going to hell in a basket yes....steups
is the people who took this once paradise to 'hell'. then we have those who now complaining bout back to school shopping, inconvenience, can't lime.. all kinda f**kery when action is being taken. Fack who, how when.. shut down the facking place and deal with the animals!
I bet not one person who was the victim of a crime will complain.
the biggest mistake this govt make since in office is not hiring weary as they chief maco. how this woman always know everything, some kinda inside source and always have ah "fren"...
them fancy Israeli gizmos eh want nothing with she abilities!
That kinda insulting, she would neva work for this government at the expense of her beloved PNM
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sitting in an airport and reading the news on my android...this T&T going to hell in a basket yes....steups
is the people who took this once paradise to 'hell'. then we have those who now complaining bout back to school shopping, inconvenience, can't lime.. all kinda f**kery when action is being taken. Fack who, how when.. shut down the facking place and deal with the animals!
I bet not one person who was the victim of a crime will complain.
the biggest mistake this govt make since in office is not hiring weary as they chief maco. how this woman always know everything, some kinda inside source and always have ah "fren"...
them fancy Israeli gizmos eh want nothing with she abilities!
That kinda insulting, she would neva work for this government at the expense of her beloved PNM
As much as you would admit that yuh government is ah massive failure.
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I say call for a vote of no confidence in this administration and force an early election.
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Aye.........ketch yuh self!!! MOruga is paradise we.
Is a hotspot for soucoyant and ghost...lock it dong!!
Tallman map is kicks oui.....trinis does really make light of bad situations
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In the south, the city of San Fernando has been deemed a hotspot. Assistant Commissioner of Police (Crime) Fitzroy Frederick told Newsday yesterday that details were still being worked out as to the exact areas in San Fernando. He said: “At this time we are still in meetings. We are still working out the details as to the areas that will be affected.”
Prime Minister: "We are declaring a 'limited' state of emergency"
Inquiring Minds: "whey yuh mean 'limited'?"
PM: "Only certain areas are affected"
IM: "Which areas in particular?"
PM: "We ent figure dah one out yet... hold on"
... I go facking dead yes lol
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:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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http://www.youtube.com/v/WnESz2oqR1U&feature=player_embedded
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In the south, the city of San Fernando has been deemed a hotspot. Assistant Commissioner of Police (Crime) Fitzroy Frederick told Newsday yesterday that details were still being worked out as to the exact areas in San Fernando. He said: “At this time we are still in meetings. We are still working out the details as to the areas that will be affected.”
Prime Minister: "We are declaring a 'limited' state of emergency"
Inquiring Minds: "whey yuh mean 'limited'?"
PM: "Only certain areas are affected"
IM: "Which areas in particular?"
PM: "We ent figure dah one out yet... hold on"
... I go facking dead yes lol
While I agree with the SOE, I eh go lie...Bakes yuh right on this aspect.... You know what sad about all of this? Trini has such brilliant minds, yet still we lack stragetic vision....
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sitting in an airport and reading the news on my android...this T&T going to hell in a basket yes....steups
is the people who took this once paradise to 'hell'. then we have those who now complaining bout back to school shopping, inconvenience, can't lime.. all kinda f**kery when action is being taken. Fack who, how when.. shut down the facking place and deal with the animals!
I bet not one person who was the victim of a crime will complain.
the biggest mistake this govt make since in office is not hiring weary as they chief maco. how this woman always know everything, some kinda inside source and always have ah "fren"...
them fancy Israeli gizmos eh want nothing with she abilities!
That kinda insulting, she would neva work for this government at the expense of her beloved PNM
As much as you would admit that yuh government is ah massive failure.
Didn know there were more than 1. Guess if the party you vote for lose an election Trinidad becomes a governmentless state.
BTW I dont belong to any party or support any,but I'm a Trinidadian and would support any measure any government takes to make Trinidad and Tobago a safer place to live.
Part of the problem is mindless people like you whose patriotism is as far as your tribalism would aloow
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Part of the problem is mindless people like you whose patriotism is as far as your tribalism would aloow
this can also be said of ah govt dat cynically block dey own legislation while in opposition to hamper crime fighting initiatives ...............besides "patriotism is virtue of the viscous" and apparently gross hypocrisy doh fall far behind
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Part of the problem is mindless people like you whose patriotism is as far as your tribalism would aloow
that is the main part of the problem right dey! People are pnm, unc etc before they're trinbagonian. And as soon as you try to be in favor of "Trinidad and Tobago" you're branded as being aligned to one party or the next.
Shut in dong madam PM!
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I also agree that this SOE was hastily put together and lacks of proper detail and planning.. The most glaring problem i think for everyone here is the lack of proper information; details as to what this exercise entails, what are the boundaries, what can we and can't we do... What are the immediate goals and what are the measurable indicators for success.
Also, i wasn't aware until last night that Gibbs was out of the country. THAT.... in and of itself is very questionable.
Plenty money is going to be lost. Imagine even a 7 o'clock flick at Movietowne is out of the question, far less a dinner or lime. All entertainment and after hours establishments crying right now. However most people i talk to here do not oppose the SOE per se, they are confused about its implementation. By and large, i get the sense that the general sentiment is "well if daiz what it come to, then let them deal with who dey hadda deal with". Even watching Ian Alleyne on CrimeWatch last night in the hotspot areas, i didn't get the sense that people was up in arms about it.
As for the problems with implementation, while I too am critical, i'm also mindful that it is an emergency response.
If it in truth and fact it was a response to an upsurge in crime that was borne out of a specific and identified threat to national security that arose in the last few days, then isn't it a stretch to ask for significant up-front planning and detail? I wonder how much detail and advance planning went into Jamaica's SOE last year in response to their own situation with Dudus?
People here on this site talking as if this is the whole of the government's crime plan. I would think this is a short term tactical mission as part of greater long term strategic goals.
Lets wait until to the exercise is completed to see what the results are. On day 16 i want to see the guns and drug haul, i want to hear about who get hold and what ring get crack and what was accomplished.
If then I see nothing tangible comes of it, then by all means the government deserves every bit of fire to come their way.
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sitting in an airport and reading the news on my android...this T&T going to hell in a basket yes....steups
is the people who took this once paradise to 'hell'. then we have those who now complaining bout back to school shopping, inconvenience, can't lime.. all kinda f**kery when action is being taken. Fack who, how when.. shut down the facking place and deal with the animals!
I bet not one person who was the victim of a crime will complain.
the biggest mistake this govt make since in office is not hiring weary as they chief maco. how this woman always know everything, some kinda inside source and always have ah "fren"...
them fancy Israeli gizmos eh want nothing with she abilities!
That kinda insulting, she would neva work for this government at the expense of her beloved PNM
As much as you would admit that yuh government is ah massive failure.
Didn know there were more than 1. Guess if the party you vote for lose an election Trinidad becomes a governmentless state.
BTW I dont belong to any party or support any,but I'm a Trinidadian and would support any measure any government takes to make Trinidad and Tobago a safer place to live.
Part of the problem is mindless people like you whose patriotism is as far as your tribalism would aloow
You shouldn't call yourself fishs, it should be shrimp.
At least I'm patriotic, can't say much about you and yuh government. They don't care about the country just what they can get.
Making T&T a safer place to live does not start with a SoE. Not sure, what line of reasoning or strategy you all using but that is absolutely ridiculous. What other visual measures yuh government put in place to attempt to deal with crime? Wait....don't tell me they hire Gibbs. I guess the long held view that all things Canadian is good holds true.
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sitting in an airport and reading the news on my android...this T&T going to hell in a basket yes....steups
is the people who took this once paradise to 'hell'. then we have those who now complaining bout back to school shopping, inconvenience, can't lime.. all kinda f**kery when action is being taken. Fack who, how when.. shut down the facking place and deal with the animals!
I bet not one person who was the victim of a crime will complain.
the biggest mistake this govt make since in office is not hiring weary as they chief maco. how this woman always know everything, some kinda inside source and always have ah "fren"...
them fancy Israeli gizmos eh want nothing with she abilities!
Becauise I friendly and wuk in key places so I have access 2 key information.
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sitting in an airport and reading the news on my android...this T&T going to hell in a basket yes....steups
is the people who took this once paradise to 'hell'. then we have those who now complaining bout back to school shopping, inconvenience, can't lime.. all kinda f**kery when action is being taken. Fack who, how when.. shut down the facking place and deal with the animals!
I bet not one person who was the victim of a crime will complain.
the biggest mistake this govt make since in office is not hiring weary as they chief maco. how this woman always know everything, some kinda inside source and always have ah "fren"...
them fancy Israeli gizmos eh want nothing with she abilities!
That kinda insulting, she would neva work for this government at the expense of her beloved PNM
LOUDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD STEUPSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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wait nah weary iz ah gyul??
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http://www.youtube.com/v/WnESz2oqR1U&feature=player_embedded
Best take on the SOE I've seen so far!
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wait nah weary iz ah gyul??
So y Weary cyah b female?
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Lock dung di whole country .. Put bullet innah dem facking criminals dem.. no question ask.. I doh like police but lately I backing dem wid this freeking crime.. start bussing bullet on all dem criminals wipe dem to fack out.. I tiad wid di wutless ppl in mi country...I say lock dung di whole country from 9pm to 5 am ... from caroni to laventille.. Start wid community leaders pull dem outta di house and go Burroughs in di ass.. A facking Tiad seeing innocent ppl getting robbed and killed by theese criminals...
I supporting you on this Mr president .. Mr Sandy .. Kamla.
war
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This is a shit move plain and simple.
While I have been calling for a State of Emergency for a while, this was put together with absolutel no follow through plan.
Roodlal said the day before a SOE was NOT needed, next day one is in place.
This government is clueless and reactionary.
While I would support a carefully formulated plan and a SOE, we need to ask why were the police posts in these same hot spots earlier removed by the government?
e need to know what they are doing while this lock down is in place.
We need to know what the plan is for the immediate period after the SOE is stood down.
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This is a shit move plain and simple.
While I have been calling for a State of Emergency for a while, this was put together with absolutel no follow through plan.
Roodlal said the day before a SOE was NOT needed, next day one is in place.
This government is clueless and reactionary.
While I would support a carefully formulated plan and a SOE, we need to ask why were the police posts in these same hot spots earlier removed by the government?
e need to know what they are doing while this lock down is in place.
We need to know what the plan is for the immediate period after the SOE is stood down.
no dread yuh is ah mindless PNMTID obstructionist...... if yuh want dat ::)
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I also agree that this SOE was hastily put together and lacks of proper detail and planning.. The most glaring problem i think for everyone here is the lack of proper information; details as to what this exercise entails, what are the boundaries, what can we and can't we do... What are the immediate goals and what are the measurable indicators for success.
Also, i wasn't aware until last night that Gibbs was out of the country. THAT.... in and of itself is very questionable.
Plenty money is going to be lost. Imagine even a 7 o'clock flick at Movietowne is out of the question, far less a dinner or lime. All entertainment and after hours establishments crying right now. However most people i talk to here do not oppose the SOE per se, they are confused about its implementation. By and large, i http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVswDRfPUv8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
the sense that the general sentiment is "well if daiz what it come to, then let them deal with who dey hadda deal with". Even watching Ian Alleyne on CrimeWatch last night in the hotspot areas, i didn't get the sense that people was up in arms about it.
As for the problems with implementation, while I too am critical, i'm also mindful that it is an emergency response.
If it in truth and fact it was a response to an upsurge in crime that was borne out of a specific and identified threat to national security that arose in the last few days, then isn't it a stretch to ask for significant up-front planning and
detail? I wonder how much detail and advance planning went into Jamaica's SOE last year in response to their own situation with Dudus?
People here on this site talking as if this is the whole of the government's crime plan. I would think this is a short term tactical mission as part of greater long term strategic goals.
Lets wait until to the exercise is completed to see what the results are. On day 16 i want to see the guns and drug haul, i want to hear about who get hold and what ring get crack and what was accomplished.
If then I see nothing tangible comes of it, then by all means the government deserves every bit of fire to come their way.
The Jamaica example is not the best.Their government stalled for months in capturing dudus. Also there was a known target and a specific area was identified and isolated. The circumstances surrounding our government's initiative are different and it appears the tactical approach is significantly different as well.
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Bakes, this is grossest hypocrisy!
They came to power promising an action plan to end the crime in 120 days and so far is State of Emergency in we ass.
Nice eh?
State ah emergency eh no plan... daiz ah reaction. Maybe that is why they send people like dinho here, tuh see if one ah we have ah plan :devil:
:rotfl: :rotfl:
on another note, plenty trinis posting stuff on facebook so by now the whole world think we living in the wild west.
11 murders in 48 hours, 256 murders and is only August, yuh think the world need any more convincing is the wild west?
The curfew needs to be from moved from 9PM to midnight and left for the rest of the year.
Businesses will lose some money but also save on water, electricity, etc. Drug pusher on the street doh need water or electricity so they losing money right thru. They go have to sell from they house which means keeping the drugs at the house and guns at the house.
One thing for sure is that crime can't get any worse with that plan.
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Heard this live on CTV now
The major drug hauls in the port and airport was the main reason for the state of emergency. Reprisal killings etc . So they called it to take action before things get worse. From what he is saying they know alot of things we dont know. But they cant talk about it yet. So the way how things looking something rel big went down the past few days to trigger this. Based on intelligence
Attorney general said that.
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While I agree with the SOE, I eh go lie...Bakes yuh right on this aspect.... You know what sad about all of this? Trini has such brilliant minds, yet still we lack stragetic vision....
Our government has the unique ability to make us all look like fools at times... and I'm not just referring to the PP administration. Matter of fact, that not limited to just TnT either.
Part of the problem is mindless people like you whose patriotism is as far as your tribalism would aloow
that is the main part of the problem right dey! People are pnm, unc etc before they're trinbagonian. And as soon as you try to be in favor of "Trinidad and Tobago" you're branded as being aligned to one party or the next.
Shut in dong madam PM!
It's a nice knee-jerk reaction to blame opposition to the Government's policies on politics... which isn't just insulting to those who hold genuine doubts as to the policies, but it also cheapens the discourse. It is a classic case of attacking the messenger rather than addressing the message.
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It's a nice knee-jerk reaction to blame opposition to the Government's policies on politics... which isn't just insulting to those who hold genuine doubts as to the policies, but it also cheapens the discourse. It is a classic case of attacking the messenger rather than addressing the message.
preach pastor preach...........tell dem!
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The Jamaica example is not the best.Their government stalled for months in capturing dudus. Also there was a known target and a specific area was identified and isolated. The circumstances surrounding our government's initiative are different and it appears the tactical approach is significantly different as well.
Dudus mobilise ah private Army and took over certain neighborhoods and was openly defying the goverrnment and carrying on a running gun battle with police and soldiers. Here 11 people get killed in mainly two specific incidents. Now we hearing talk about threats to "national security". Thank God for Bush, Kamla finally have a catch-all excuse to fall back on whenever some controversial policy is challenged.
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sitting in an airport and reading the news on my android...this T&T going to hell in a basket yes....steups
is the people who took this once paradise to 'hell'. then we have those who now complaining bout back to school shopping, inconvenience, can't lime.. all kinda f**kery when action is being taken. Fack who, how when.. shut down the facking place and deal with the animals!
I bet not one person who was the victim of a crime will complain.
the biggest mistake this govt make since in office is not hiring weary as they chief maco. how this woman always know everything, some kinda inside source and always have ah "fren"...
them fancy Israeli gizmos eh want nothing with she abilities!
That kinda insulting, she would neva work for this government at the expense of her beloved PNM
As much as you would admit that yuh government is ah massive failure.
Didn know there were more than 1. Guess if the party you vote for lose an election Trinidad becomes a governmentless state.
BTW I dont belong to any party or support any,but I'm a Trinidadian and would support any measure any government takes to make Trinidad and Tobago a safer place to live.
Part of the problem is mindless people like you whose patriotism is as far as your tribalism would aloow
You shouldn't call yourself fishs, it should be shrimp.
At least I'm patriotic, can't say much about you and yuh government. They don't care about the country just what they can get.
Making T&T a safer place to live does not start with a SoE. Not sure, what line of reasoning or strategy you all using but that is absolutely ridiculous. What other visual measures yuh government put in place to attempt to deal with crime? Wait....don't tell me they hire Gibbs. I guess the long held view that all things Canadian is good holds true.
Obviously you don't understand the gravity of the situation, maybe you need to listen a bit.
For years people complaining about the crime situation, young, old , man , woman, child, bright , dunce , everybody.
My house got broken into 3 times as far back as 1984 (in 1 yr!!),I got robbed at gun point 2 times, in 88' and in 98'.
I know of youths who save most of their first 2 yrs salary to buy a car and then have some punk beat them and steal the car.
All of this is low level crime when compared to the home invasions, rapes mutilations,murders that taking place on a daily if not hourly basis.
Everybody talk about how small Trinidad is and how they cant understand why the police cant take these thugs and beasts out since they are all "known" to the police.
Crime plan by this government and that government, new cars, more police , new police stations, SUATT, ATF, BIG, all kinda ting and man walking around and shooting people with impunity.
So they come with a SOE..... even if it remove 1 cold blooded muderer from our society is still an improvement, anything anything to make us safer, we long gone past the time when we should be blindly opposing and fretting over attempts to fight crime in any manner.
I applaud any measure that could even if it remote way lead to me having a piece of mind that my daughters could go out an buss a lil lime as young people do without worrying sick if some beast will do something to them.
So bredder take yuh political bitterness and use it for elections where it more appropriate
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wait nah weary iz ah gyul??
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Hear nah, it must have a Trini somewhere, somehow goh make a comment in de middle ah something serious to make yuh weak..... :rotfl: :rotfl:
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wait nah weary iz ah gyul??
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Hear nah, it must have a Trini somewhere, somehow goh make a comment in de middle ah something serious to make yuh weak..... :rotfl: :rotfl:
Yuh understand :rotfl:
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I applaud any measure that could even if it remote way lead to me having a piece of mind that my daughters could go out an buss a lil lime as young people do without worrying sick if some beast will do something to them.
So yuh supported de blimp den?
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I applaud any measure that could even if it remote way lead to me having a piece of mind that my daughters could go out an buss a lil lime as young people do without worrying sick if some beast will do something to them.
So yuh supported de blimp den?
I did not know the details of what the blimp was capable of , still don't know, but they said it would be a tool used to fight crime, so of course I supported it.
I'm a civilian that grew up in a happy friendly place and have seen it deteriorate into killing fields, the only thing I could do to help fight crime is what my civic duty allows and support the powers that be.
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for those who hold genuine doubts on the policies, what would you suggest? I say again.. victims will not join the chorus.
shut it dong madam PM! those animals took away our country from us.
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I know we are serious about fighting CRIME when.
1) I see corrupt political financiers who are fighting extradition being bars.
2) When I see corrupt ex-FIFA politicians investigated and behind bars.
3) When I see White Collar Criminals locked up.
4) When I see Drug Lords locked up.
5) When I see ex-PM's and Calder Hart locked up, where ALL the evidence the PP/UNC had before elections disappear. They claimed they could lock up Hart in the morning. Which year?
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This is a BIG WASTE OF EVERYBODY'S TIME.
If you are SUSPENDING MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS then,
I WANT TO SEE RESULTS!!!
This morning we should be hearing of JEEPLOADS OF ILLEGAL GUNS IN POLICE POSESSION.
YES?
This morning we should have been hearing of WAREHOUSES RAIDED BY ARMED FORCES,AND ILLEGAL DRUGS SIEZED.
YES?
This morning we should have been hearing of entire GANGS OF CRIMINALS CROWDING POLICE CELLS WAITING TO BE PROCESSED AND TRIED.
YES?
This morning we should have been hearing about BIG "WHITE COLLAR " CRIMINALS BEING HELD FOR QUESTIONING REGARDING THOSE TWO CONTAINER LOADS OF MARIJUANA,AND OTHER SEIZURES.
YES?
But most of all...
This morning, we should have heard of JOINT PATROLS.,REPLACING CUSTOM OFFICERS.., CONTROLLING OUR NATIONS PORTS AND SEARCHING SHIPPING LOGS, CONTAINER MANIFESTS and CHECKING EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF CARGO.
This should have been the BIG SHAKEDOWN. Nobody cyar duck behind no "hi-falutin" Senior Counsel.....
Instead,they BLOW this opportunity.These people MAD.
This is one big, sick JOKE.
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sitting in an airport and reading the news on my android...this T&T going to hell in a basket yes....steups
is the people who took this once paradise to 'hell'. then we have those who now complaining bout back to school shopping, inconvenience, can't lime.. all kinda f**kery when action is being taken. Fack who, how when.. shut down the facking place and deal with the animals!
I bet not one person who was the victim of a crime will complain.
the biggest mistake this govt make since in office is not hiring weary as they chief maco. how this woman always know everything, some kinda inside source and always have ah "fren"...
them fancy Israeli gizmos eh want nothing with she abilities!
That kinda insulting, she would neva work for this government at the expense of her beloved PNM
As much as you would admit that yuh government is ah massive failure.
Didn know there were more than 1. Guess if the party you vote for lose an election Trinidad becomes a governmentless state.
BTW I dont belong to any party or support any,but I'm a Trinidadian and would support any measure any government takes to make Trinidad and Tobago a safer place to live.
Part of the problem is mindless people like you whose patriotism is as far as your tribalism would aloow
You shouldn't call yourself fishs, it should be shrimp.
At least I'm patriotic, can't say much about you and yuh government. They don't care about the country just what they can get.
Making T&T a safer place to live does not start with a SoE. Not sure, what line of reasoning or strategy you all using but that is absolutely ridiculous. What other visual measures yuh government put in place to attempt to deal with crime? Wait....don't tell me they hire Gibbs. I guess the long held view that all things Canadian is good holds true.
Obviously you don't understand the gravity of the situation, maybe you need to listen a bit.
For years people complaining about the crime situation, young, old , man , woman, child, bright , dunce , everybody.
My house got broken into 3 times as far back as 1984 (in 1 yr!!),I got robbed at gun point 2 times, in 88' and in 98'.
I know of youths who save most of their first 2 yrs salary to buy a car and then have some punk beat them and steal the car.
All of this is low level crime when compared to the home invasions, rapes mutilations,murders that taking place on a daily if not hourly basis.
Everybody talk about how small Trinidad is and how they cant understand why the police cant take these thugs and beasts out since they are all "known" to the police.
Crime plan by this government and that government, new cars, more police , new police stations, SUATT, ATF, BIG, all kinda ting and man walking around and shooting people with impunity.
So they come with a SOE..... even if it remove 1 cold blooded muderer from our society is still an improvement, anything anything to make us safer, we long gone past the time when we should be blindly opposing and fretting over attempts to fight crime in any manner.
I applaud any measure that could even if it remote way lead to me having a piece of mind that my daughters could go out an buss a lil lime as young people do without worrying sick if some beast will do something to them.
So bredder take yuh political bitterness and use it for elections where it more appropriate
Where yuo see I talk about politics? I talkin about the guvment who eh have a clue. That eh no politics.
I actually like Kamla (there's something about Kamla), and wanted to see her do well but she f@#king chupid just like Manning. Like everyone saying the introduction, timing and communicating of the SoE is amatuer at best. Why yuh guvment cyah get licks for being dotish about how they went about putting this out there? Daiz de same thing Rachel Price say, once somebody criticize alyuh getting into politics and race. Trifling really. Locking down parts of the country in this manner is total :bs:
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for those who hold genuine doubts on the policies, what would you suggest? I say again.. victims will not join the chorus.
shut it dong madam PM! those animals took away our country from us.
First of all I am no criminologist... that is what yuh government supposedly paying for, so doh ask me for no crime plan.
That said, they easily could have increased police patrols without suspending civil liberties. If it is that they have specific information that they keeping close to they chest then they could have acted on that specific information without terrorizing/inconveniencing wholesale areas.
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for those who hold genuine doubts on the policies, what would you suggest? I say again.. victims will not join the chorus.
shut it dong madam PM! those animals took away our country from us.
First of all I am no criminologist... that is what yuh government supposedly paying for, so doh ask me for no crime plan.
That said, they easily could have increased police patrols without suspending civil liberties. If it is that they have specific information that they keeping close to they chest then they could have acted on that specific information without terrorizing/inconvenience wholesale areas.
Our government... still a democracy! I'm no criminologist either, so I don't pretend to be!
terrorizing/inconvenience - is an entire population living under these conditions for over 20yrs now at the hands of animals who have no regard for life or people's right to live without fear. I too will agree that the manner in which it was called was amateurish.. but it done. Dealt with it!
Lock in dong Madame PM!
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Heard this live on CTV now
The major drug hauls in the port and airport was the main reason for the state of emergency. Reprisal killings etc . So they called it to take action before things get worse. From what he is saying they know alot of things we dont know. But they cant talk about it yet. So the way how things looking something rel big went down the past few days to trigger this. Based on intelligence
Attorney general said that.
Ah wonder how dey gather this "intelligence"
One ting ah know fuh sure....however dey get it, dey sure as hell DID NOT USE WIRE TAPPING!
Ent?
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Our government... still a democracy! I'm no criminologist either, so I don't pretend to be!
terrorizing/inconvenienc[ing] - is an entire population living under these conditions for over 20yrs now at the hands of animals who have no regard for life or people's right to live without fear. I too will agree that the manner in which it was called was amateurish.. but it done. Dealt with it!
Lock in dong Madame PM!
Nah dat eh my government, I had no say in how they got there and I can't do anything about getting them out. The electorate of TnT buy dat, let dem own it.
The terrorizing and inconveniencing is the result of government neglect, and I am using 'government' here in the general sense, not the party-specific administration. Fault isn't just in the manner in which the plan was implemented, the fault lies in the decision to invoke such drastic powers... and in the details of the plan. What does quashing protests and public meetings have to do with ketching criminals?
They using a sledgehammer to kill a fly... a fly which buzzing around due to the mess that they themselves contribute to. They have allyuh so desperate that allyuh eh know if allyuh coming or going. This is what happens when you repeatedly fail to hold a government accountable.
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for those who hold genuine doubts on the policies, what would you suggest? I say again.. victims will not join the chorus.
shut it dong madam PM! those animals took away our country from us.
First of all I am no criminologist... that is what yuh government supposedly paying for, so doh ask me for no crime plan.
That said, they easily could have increased police patrols without suspending civil liberties. If it is that they have specific information that they keeping close to they chest then they could have acted on that specific information without terrorizing/inconvenience wholesale areas.
Our government... still a democracy! I'm no criminologist either, so I don't pretend to be!
terrorizing/inconvenience - is an entire population living under these conditions for over 20yrs now at the hands of animals who have no regard for life or people's right to live without fear. I too will agree that the manner in which it was called was amateurish.. but it done. Dealt with it!
Lock in dong Madame PM!
This ting bout we livin in a curfew 4 nuff yrs is a bunch of hogwash. Yes it have a high crime rate yes peeps dropping like flies yes I goin home and some joker may hold me up but I just take basic precautions 4 meh security.
So find d peeps who bringing in d guns and then we go talk. I does come and go as I feel I go 2 church in a hot spot and peeps come and go because yes dey might get a stray bullet but guess what because of d guns around dat stray bullet could be picked up in PTown where they eh under curfew.
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Our government... still a democracy! I'm no criminologist either, so I don't pretend to be!
terrorizing/inconvenienc[ing] - is an entire population living under these conditions for over 20yrs now at the hands of animals who have no regard for life or people's right to live without fear. I too will agree that the manner in which it was called was amateurish.. but it done. Dealt with it!
Lock in dong Madame PM!
Nah dat eh my government, I had no say in how they got there and I can't do anything about getting them out. The electorate of TnT buy dat, let dem own it.
The terrorizing and inconveniencing is the result of government neglect, and I am using 'government' here in the general sense, not the party-specific administration. Fault isn't just in the manner in which the plan was implemented, the fault lies in the decision to invoke such drastic powers... and in the details of the plan. What does quashing protests and public meetings have to do with ketching criminals?
They using a sledgehammer to kill a fly... a fly which buzzing around due to the mess that they themselves contribute to. They have allyuh so desperate that allyuh eh know if allyuh coming or going. This is what happens when you repeatedly fail to hold a government accountable.
:applause:
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The present state of TT didn't start with the new government but has been festering for years under previous governments.All these governments of past years have done very little for their staunchest supporters,supporters who would literally die for them.A country blessed with so much natural wealth but yet so much "social deprivation" in certain parts.Children literally grow up ferral,lack of education,no jobs,bad housing,no creature comforts,these human beings grow up with affected brains and mind so what is happenning shouldn't be unexpected.Their needs to be a massive social restructuring of those places most affected with crimes.Millions of dollars needs to be spent giving those people whatever their needs are,there must be ways of slowing down the massacare that is taking place.It would take time but police shooting dong people left right and centre isn't helping.
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The present state of TT didn't start with the new government but has been festering for years under previous governments.All these governments of past years have done very little for their staunchest supporters,supporters who would literally die for them.A country blessed with so much natural wealth but yet so much "social deprivation" in certain parts.Children literally grow up ferral,lack of education,no jobs,bad housing,no creature comforts,these human beings grow up with affected brains and mind so what is happenning shouldn't be unexpected.Their needs to be a massive social restructuring of those places most affected with crimes.Millions of dollars needs to be spent giving those people whatever their needs are,there must be ways of slowing down the massacare that is taking place.It would take time but police shooting dong people left right and centre isn't helping.
Pack of ass talk.
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The present state of TT didn't start with the new government but has been festering for years under previous governments.All these governments of past years have done very little for their staunchest supporters,supporters who would literally die for them.A country blessed with so much natural wealth but yet so much "social deprivation" in certain parts.Children literally grow up ferral,lack of education,no jobs,bad housing,no creature comforts,these human beings grow up with affected brains and mind so what is happenning shouldn't be unexpected.Their needs to be a massive social restructuring of those places most affected with crimes.Millions of dollars needs to be spent giving those people whatever their needs are,there must be ways of slowing down the massacare that is taking place.It would take time but police shooting dong people left right and centre isn't helping.
So we selectively choosing which government to blame? Previous governments you say. Kamla and Dooks weren't part of the Nar? What piece of sh*t talk some of alluh does try to sell boi.
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The present state of TT didn't start with the new government but has been festering for years under previous governments.All these governments of past years have done very little for their staunchest supporters,supporters who would literally die for them.A country blessed with so much natural wealth but yet so much "social deprivation" in certain parts.Children literally grow up ferral,lack of education,no jobs,bad housing,no creature comforts,these human beings grow up with affected brains and mind so what is happenning shouldn't be unexpected.Their needs to be a massive social restructuring of those places most affected with crimes.Millions of dollars needs to be spent giving those people whatever their needs are,there must be ways of slowing down the massacare that is taking place.It would take time but police shooting dong people left right and centre isn't helping.
So we selectively choosing which government to blame? Previous governments you say. Kamla and Dooks weren't part of the Nar? What piece of sh*t talk some of alluh does try to sell boi.
I remember having an in dept discussion with my friend in uni about how the British Parliamentary system has failed us in the Caribbean, these arguments that are taking place amongst each other is a clear indication that problem resolution and compromise between political parties are almost non existent and not only divides and destroys the social fabric of society but also renders our nation incapable of functioning properly.
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22 gang members including gang leaders arrested overnight. Hearing this on TV now
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http://www.youtube.com/v/9U4ouCeWO7Y
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22 gang members including gang leaders arrested overnight. Hearing this on TV now
This is what we talkin bout.
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HEADLINES: Police Service Comm. claims Police Comm. Dwayne Gibbs & Deputy Comm. Jack Ewatski left the country without being granted leave
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22 gang members including gang leaders arrested overnight. Hearing this on TV now
This is what we talkin bout.
Yep. That's the dam ting self.
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All I know is that this State of Emergency has the hall marks of another "let we try ah thing and see if it works" by this government.....it is not founded in any analysis, strategy, plan, tactic, goal or objective.....
Look for example I just watch on Ian Alleyne's show, police rounds up a setta men on Nelson St. and taken to where ever. The SAME F&&*^&%NG NELSON ST. that had a Police post nearby that THIS GOVERNMENT had removed earlier this year or late last year.....
And men want to talk bout plan??!! I keep saying DEY HAVE NO F&^^%NG PLAN!!! CALLING A STATE OF EMERGENCY IS NOT A PLAN!!! IT IS A LAST RESORT!!!
Steups!! Let me just sit back and watch the ride yes....
Bakes yuh right boy, I was one voted for these clowns and boy do I regret it.....
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Mosquito 1 Mosquito 2 mosquito make Kamla ghee we curfew
Mosquito 3 Mosquito 4 after 9 we bush come out door
Mosquito 5 Mosquito 6 if we come out is rel licks
Mosquito 7 mosquito 8 better stay behind de f@#king gate
Mosquito 9 mosquito 10 mex time we voting PNM.
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Mosquito 1 Mosquito 2 mosquito make Kamla ghee we curfew
Mosquito 3 Mosquito 4 after 9 we bush come out door
Mosquito 5 Mosquito 6 if we come out is rel licks
Mosquito 7 mosquito 8 better stay behind de f@#king gate
Mosquito 9 mosquito 10 mex time we voting PNM.
:rotfl: Ah does sing a different version for meh son.
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All I know is that this State of Emergency has the hall marks of another "let we try ah thing and see if it works" by this government.....it is not founded in any analysis, strategy, plan, tactic, goal or objective.....
Look for example I just watch on Ian Alleyne's show, police rounds up a setta men on Nelson St. and taken to where ever. The SAME F&&*^&%NG NELSON ST. that had a Police post nearby that THIS GOVERNMENT had removed earlier this year or late last year.....
And men want to talk bout plan??!! I keep saying DEY HAVE NO F&^^%NG PLAN!!! CALLING A STATE OF EMERGENCY IS NOT A PLAN!!! IT IS A LAST RESORT!!!
Steups!! Let me just sit back and watch the ride yes....
Bakes yuh right boy, I was one voted for these clowns and boy do I regret it.....
doh hurt yuh head :devil:
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Something to uplift the people
Song not yet released "Trust in the Almighty"
http://www.youtube.com/v/5RS0rlgwL8k
Stay up T&T
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locking down and searching 'hot spot' areas eh go do much
no little boy in laventille and morvant who livin in a two by four house have d resources or the wherewithal to bring no 22 million dollars in drugs or no high tech weapons.
let d police LOCK DOWN Valsayn, Westmoorings, Glencoe, Gulf View, Goodwood Park, Flagstaff. Dem is d real criminal who have we country where it is
Is dem who have the little black boys who have no guidance to be killing out one another for turf and rank
get rid of d criminals in high places and u wud see how fast crime calm dong
but NO government in this country have the BALLS to do that, because is these same ppl who livin Valsayn etc financing dey political parties
everybody in d government and d opposition cud haul dey stinkin mudderc**t.
everyday that goes by, its just more upsetting when as a law abiding citizens u see that your country is being ruined by greedy motherf**kers in high places.
and here im watching d AG on meh TV talking a pack of ass. ::)
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http://www.youtube.com/v/WnESz2oqR1U&feature=player_embedded
Best take on the SOE I've seen so far!
FS boy, yuh know we in real tata when a comedienne is now our voice of reason.....
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Raid them rich man place , you know that certain Shoe and Clothes seller in Trinidad ? ::)
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Just saw and interesting back and forth between de AG and Dominic Kalipersad over the acting Police Commissioner signing the curfew order.....ah goh get it from TV 6's archives....that and what Martin Daly had to say...
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Martin Daly make rel sense though. AG sound like ah backside. I still waiting to see the shirt and tie crooks get hold
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I happy like pappy that they rounds up 22 because while dem is d branch and not d root I fed of them lil black hen chicken doing nonesense and blaming poverty etc. Dem eh want 2 wuk but want d highlife. However, peeps doh get 2 excited because when d dust settle if dey eh have no evidence dey eh making no jail.
Brown girl doh beat up yuhself plenty people get fool. Dey could not fool me I wuk in d public service since 1993 and while many on this MB feel I is PNM 2 D BONE I see how PNM govern a country and how UNC/PP govern a country and while Patos use 2 drink in chupidity juice by d gallon while he was running the country.
My pet pieve innocent people unemploy because evry contract worker has 2 reapply 4 dey wuk so since last yr Social Workers in school eh wukin what dey guilty of dey get a contract when PNM was in power. ECCE teachers unemploy because dey get they contract under a PNM govt. So the ECCE lock down like d curfew that is y I will steups b4 during and after but vote 4 Kiethos next time around these people just clueless and classless.
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I thought fight was goan break out between Dominic and Anand, yes.
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I happy like pappy that they rounds up 22 because while dem is d branch and not d root I fed of them lil black hen chicken doing nonesense and blaming poverty etc. Dem eh want 2 wuk but want d highlife. However, peeps doh get 2 excited because when d dust settle if dey eh have no evidence dey eh making no jail.
Brown girl doh beat up yuhself plenty people get fool. Dey could not fool me I wuk in d public service since 1993 and while many on this MB feel I is PNM 2 D BONE I see how PNM govern a country and how UNC/PP govern a country and while Patos use 2 drink in chupidity juice by d gallon while he was running the country.
My pet pieve innocent people unemploy because evry contract worker has 2 reapply 4 dey wuk so since last yr Social Workers in school eh wukin what dey guilty of dey get a contract when PNM was in power. ECCE teachers unemploy because dey get they contract under a PNM govt. So the ECCE lock down like d curfew that is y I will steups b4 during and after but vote 4 Kiethos next time around these people just clueless and classless.
Not sure if the laws might be lil different for them considering the SOE. They might be classified differently, left to be seen.
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All I know is that this State of Emergency has the hall marks of another "let we try ah thing and see if it works" by this government.....it is not founded in any analysis, strategy, plan, tactic, goal or objective.....
Look for example I just watch on Ian Alleyne's show, police rounds up a setta men on Nelson St. and taken to where ever. The SAME F&&*^&%NG NELSON ST. that had a Police post nearby that THIS GOVERNMENT had removed earlier this year or late last year.....
And men want to talk bout plan??!! I keep saying DEY HAVE NO F&^^%NG PLAN!!! CALLING A STATE OF EMERGENCY IS NOT A PLAN!!! IT IS A LAST RESORT!!!
Steups!! Let me just sit back and watch the ride yes....
Bakes yuh right boy, I was one voted for these clowns and boy do I regret it.....
I hear yuh... If I wasn't in the US, I wudda vote for the PP too. Don't regret it though... At the end of the day the other band of jokers did no different. Yuh try ah thing and hopefully another band ah jokers go come around and yuh go give them a chance too.... But at the end of the day, yuh vote based on yuh conscience and on the data yuh had before yuh....
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A.G on TV6 - "I will walk off the set!!!!!!!" :rotfl:
Well i nearly dead, who d f**k is he. I nearly say Kalipersad go tell him (Anand) haul he mudder c**t on set yes :rotfl: . The last time i see a government minister act so was when the last health minister went on TV6
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you know what d funny thing is. The same people funding PNM and PP elections is the same people that most likely running the guns and drugs. You cah raid the man you funding yuh . Is d business men they need to look at
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The notion of a PNM return to government by default is unpalatable.
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All I know is that this State of Emergency has the hall marks of another "let we try ah thing and see if it works" by this government.....it is not founded in any analysis, strategy, plan, tactic, goal or objective.....
Look for example I just watch on Ian Alleyne's show, police rounds up a setta men on Nelson St. and taken to where ever. The SAME F&&*^&%NG NELSON ST. that had a Police post nearby that THIS GOVERNMENT had removed earlier this year or late last year.....
And men want to talk bout plan??!! I keep saying DEY HAVE NO F&^^%NG PLAN!!! CALLING A STATE OF EMERGENCY IS NOT A PLAN!!! IT IS A LAST RESORT!!!
Steups!! Let me just sit back and watch the ride yes....
Bakes yuh right boy, I was one voted for these clowns and boy do I regret it.....
I hear yuh... If I wasn't in the US, I wudda vote for the PP too. Don't regret it though... At the end of the day the other band of jokers did no different. Yuh try ah thing and hopefully another band ah jokers go come around and yuh go give them a chance too.... But at the end of the day, yuh vote based on yuh conscience and on the data yuh had before yuh....
Nah hoss.......as of right now, unless the tooth fairy, Santa Claus and the Easter bunny going to form a political party.....I eh interested.....
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:rotfl: :rotfl:
Just caught the replay of the interview. And once again, Anand Ramlogan shows himself to be a total and complete cunny!!!.....what a kakahole.....*smh*
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A.G on TV6 - "I will walk off the set!!!!!!!" :rotfl:
Well i nearly dead, who d f**k is he. I nearly say Kalipersad go tell him (Anand) haul he mudder c**t on set yes :rotfl: . The last time i see a government minister act so was when the last health minister went on TV6
:rotfl: :rotfl:
Just caught the replay of the interview. And once again, Anand Ramlogan shows himself to be a total and complete cunny!!!.....what a kakahole.....*smh*
I now watch it there.... kicksy, kicksy interview. Anand close off telling Kallipersad it was a pleasure interviewing him yes lol.
I hoping DHW have the link to post for people to see for themselves, because Kallipersad definitely came into that interview with a clear agenda, cutting the man off, trying to force words in the man mouth and jam him in a corner. Matter of fact his conduct was rhell unprofessional, i aint look for Kallipersad there.
I don't know how allyuh could pretend not to see that. smh
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A.G on TV6 - "I will walk off the set!!!!!!!" :rotfl:
Well i nearly dead, who d f**k is he. I nearly say Kalipersad go tell him (Anand) haul he mudder c**t on set yes :rotfl: . The last time i see a government minister act so was when the last health minister went on TV6
:rotfl: :rotfl:
Just caught the replay of the interview. And once again, Anand Ramlogan shows himself to be a total and complete cunny!!!.....what a kakahole.....*smh*
I now watch it there.... kicksy, kicksy interview. Anand close off telling Kallipersad it was a pleasure interviewing him yes lol.
I hoping DHW have the link to post for people to see for themselves, because Kallipersad definitely came into that interview with a clear agenda, cutting the man off, trying to force words in the man mouth and jam him in a corner. Matter of fact his conduct was rhell unprofessional, i aint look for Kallipersad there.
I don't know how allyuh could pretend not to see that. smh
Anand Ramlogan is ah Professional, an AG of a country. No one can force words in his mouth. If Dominic Kalipersad wanna make him say something that is not true then the AG eh have nothing to worry about. If the AG understand what his government trying to achieve then he eh have nothing to worry about.
What wrong with Kalipersad pressing an issue? Sound like Sarah Palin man "gotcha moment".
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22 gang members including gang leaders arrested overnight. Hearing this on TV now
Yuh doh need ah State of Emergency to arrest gang leaders. More thrashing about the bush.
HEADLINES: Police Service Comm. claims Police Comm. Dwayne Gibbs & Deputy Comm. Jack Ewatski left the country without being granted leave
This is neither here nor there fuh me... Gibbs said it was a last-minute something. De bossman doh need HR permission to take a day off... they will sort it out when he reach back.
Martin Daly make rel sense though. AG sound like ah backside. I still waiting to see the shirt and tie crooks get hold
What he say? I'z not de biggest ah fans, but de man know TnT law and Constitution inside out if nutten else. Would also like to hear what mih girl Dana have to say.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/d2HRRhqwc1w&feature=player_embedded
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http://www.youtube.com/v/3HIngmmaGbA
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A.G on TV6 - "I will walk off the set!!!!!!!" :rotfl:
Well i nearly dead, who d f**k is he. I nearly say Kalipersad go tell him (Anand) haul he mudder c**t on set yes :rotfl: . The last time i see a government minister act so was when the last health minister went on TV6
:rotfl: :rotfl:
Just caught the replay of the interview. And once again, Anand Ramlogan shows himself to be a total and complete cunny!!!.....what a kakahole.....*smh*
I now watch it there.... kicksy, kicksy interview. Anand close off telling Kallipersad it was a pleasure interviewing him yes lol.
I hoping DHW have the link to post for people to see for themselves, because Kallipersad definitely came into that interview with a clear agenda, cutting the man off, trying to force words in the man mouth and jam him in a corner. Matter of fact his conduct was rhell unprofessional, i aint look for Kallipersad there.
I don't know how allyuh could pretend not to see that. smh
Anand Ramlogan is ah Professional, an AG of a country. No one can force words in his mouth. If Dominic Kalipersad wanna make him say something that is not true then the AG eh have nothing to worry about. If the AG understand what his government trying to achieve then he eh have nothing to worry about.
What wrong with Kalipersad pressing an issue? Sound like Sarah Palin man "gotcha moment".
up to now d AG didnt answer dominic question which was
'after the first day of the SOE and seeing that they 'found' 6 guns and 'arrested 22 persons, do u think it has been a success SO FAR?'
everything other than an answer to the question was said. all mr kalipersad was doing was tryin to get an answer out of him
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Dinho *sigh* *smh*
The AG forgot that Dominic Kalipersad is a seasoned journalist and he couldn't BS him....that's what I saw......but say what.....I not objective and you are.....
Bottom line......the AG got his rude, arrogant arse handed to him....and it was well deserved!!!!
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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What he say? I'z not de biggest ah fans, but de man know TnT law and Constitution inside out if nutten else. Would also like to hear what mih girl Dana have to say.
I will recorded it tomorrow when it up on the site
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everything other than an answer to the question was said. all mr kalipersad was doing was tryin to get an answer out of him
As mih side kick would say, ENNNNNNNTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!! But nah, Kalipersad "unprofessional"......steups!!
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http://www.youtube.com/v/3HIngmmaGbA
Would like to hear the forum members view on this. Those who didn't see it yet.
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you know what d funny thing is. The same people funding PNM and PP elections is the same people that most likely running the guns and drugs. You cah raid the man you funding yuh . Is d business men they need to look at
we know dis. any thinking person in dis country know this. the thing is PP and PNM jes doh give a f**k, once dem gettin what is theirs
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everything other than an answer to the question was said. all mr kalipersad was doing was tryin to get an answer out of him
As mih side kick would say, ENNNNNNNTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!! But nah, Kalipersad "unprofessional"......steups!!
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http://www.youtube.com/v/QeMyAVf2Mfk
trinis real idle boy ;D
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Remember wit dis fella AG stands for Anything Goes
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d only 'agenda' kalipersad came in with is to not be bullied by the AG as he so likes to do members of the media and also as a seasoned journalist get the answers the people wants to know from these politrickans like to beat around the bush and skim over...absolutlely nothing 'unprofessional' about kalipersad here...unfortunately the AG jus proves that he cant take jammin..
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Anand handle heself arrite man... I do understand his point about being interrupted (one of my pet peeves), but I also understand Kallipersad's point that he has to maintain control of the interview. I think this nonsense about when Acting CoP Williams was appointed is just that... nonsense. As Anand explain, the President is the one whose authority counts.
Now as for other points he made... I certainly don't think arresting 22 (presumably low-level) bandits is any kinda "outstanding success" or validation of the SoE... yuh doh need to suspend civil liberties and banning protest and public meetings in order to arrest bandits and gang leaders yuh done suspect of criminal activity. And "tobesides"... arrest doh mean nutten... talk tuh mih after de gavel drop and they getting sentenced. Playing smart with foolishness.
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D Ambulance Chaser Anything Goes fella is a BULLY.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/3HIngmmaGbA
Would like to hear the forum members view on this. Those who didn't see it yet.
What he is saying is so incredible.
I was prepared to give the benefit of the doubt to the government about this whole thing but I know now that they are completely clueless and dishonest. This is the same AG who bullied the last commissioner out of office, attempted to bully the Director of Public prosecutions but has overnight become a student of protocol. Funny how he managed to walk with a letter for the chairman of the police service commission.
If I could put his obvious belligerence aside for a moment he is clearly freestyling and using silly tactics to buy time to figure out what to say.
He took aim for his own big toe and shot it mercilessly when he described the circumstances surrounding the use of curfews historically, 1970 (black power uprising) and 1990 (attempted coup). Under no circumstances can you compare 2011 with the situations in 70 and 90.
The question for me is where is the Prime Minister ? Sorry she passed the pressure threshold and automatically went into hiding.
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Dinho...wuz your rel stories?
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Dinho...wuz your rel stories?
Dinho gone and tote water fuh de PP... he coming back juss now.
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Dinho...wuz your rel stories?
Dinho gone and tote water fuh de PP... he coming back juss now.
Dinho breaking curfew??? Shame on him.
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LOL
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Anand handle heself arrite man... I do understand his point about being interrupted (one of my pet peeves), but I also understand Kallipersad's point that he has to maintain control of the interview. I think this nonsense about when Acting CoP Williams was appointed is just that... nonsense. As Anand explain, the President is the one whose authority counts.
Now as for other points he made... I certainly don't think arresting 22 (presumably low-level) bandits is any kinda "outstanding success" or validation of the SoE... yuh doh need to suspend civil liberties and banning protest and public meetings in order to arrest bandits and gang leaders yuh done suspect of criminal activity. And "tobesides"... arrest doh mean nutten... talk tuh mih after de gavel drop and they getting sentenced. Playing smart with foolishness.
Bakes I agree with you here and I find at times Mr. kalipersad didn't give the AG time answer some questions but I noticed he didn't want the AG to stray off topic and stick to specifics of the interview. Anyway now we have a SoE, doesn't the military have have arrest powers? Hence one the reasons the President has to approve of it? If so we have more armed services to crack down on the criminals, so I will give them a few days to see how well this plan was executed.
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Dinho...wuz your rel stories?
Dinho gone and tote water fuh de PP... he coming back juss now.
behave nah ;D
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All in all AG handled himself ok, but he showed himself too easily ruffled when interrupted, yeah, most of us don't appreciate that myself include, but that is par the course for a tense interview, surely he knew he was not coming into to TV6 to speak about the match vs India. As for the line of questioning, not quite sure I understand what all the hullabaloo is about wrt to the PC being out of the country, major decisions can always be made that apply to the TTPS jurisdiction once responsibilities have been delegated, par the course once more. Bigger issue is the perceived need for this, Kamla et all doh know dey ass from dey elbow
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Anand is the same guy who was touting Gibbs and boasting that the crime rate down and 'boom' we need a state of emergency.
I feeling to curse.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/2L7xrKzIFDw
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Bakes I agree with you here and I find at times Mr. kalipersad didn't give the AG time answer some questions but I noticed he didn't want the AG to stray off topic and stick to specifics of the interview. Anyway now we have a SoE, doesn't the military have have arrest powers? Hence one the reasons the President has to approve of it? If so we have more armed services to crack down on the criminals, so I will give them a few days to see how well this plan was executed.
The average person thinks that just because yuh give a man a gun and he happen to be working fuh de government, that mean he could play police. Well that is not so. Anybody in law enforcement will tell you that having soldiers acting as law enforcement is a terrible idea. For one thing, soldiers are not trained in crime detection or law enforcement, they are trained for combat. There is a reason why (at least in theory, not sure what actually goes on in St. James) that police officers are screened psychologically, and submitted to stressful situations during training. Hopefully no innocent persons will be harmed by some yuteman soldier playing police. But all this is besides the point... there have been joint military/police patrols before... without declaring a state of emergency.
Now it's true having a heavy "law enforcement" presence will keep things under control ah little... like putting a lid on a boiling pot... yuh keeping things contained, but yuh not addressing what going on below the surface... i.e. the crime. People will say I only talking theoretically or about thing that people doh care about... they just want a handle on crime, but there's a reason why this is a course of last resort in any democracy.
behave nah ;D
Always ;D
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http://www.youtube.com/v/3HIngmmaGbA
Would like to hear the forum members view on this. Those who didn't see it yet.
Our AG is a boldfaced liar! How could he deny that the PM declared a Limited SOE when it was broadcast on national TV on all the networks?! See recording below!!
http://www.youtube.com/v/lHyZ8i8TUqw
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It is a tense time for everyone. 22 bandits is good. The better news is really the point of no murders. Everybody want to have their cake and eat it, if they can't do that they quick to find fault.
Lock it down.
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Couple of observations: For a long, long time we've been screaming for the media to stop marketing their interviewees and put them under pressure.
The AG came a long for a nice chat to put positive spin on scandal. DK, wasn't ready for that crap. Although his questions were actually meaningless in the context of things, they were designed to test the ability of the AG to be truthful and apologetic. The AG failed. He insulted the whole of T&T continuously, first by denying Kamla said "Limited SOE" and then repeatedly telling DK that the whole of T&T knew it was a countrywide SOE. We on this forum know that wasn't true. The whole country was trying to make sense of why certain areas were under SOE and others weren't and wondering if those outside the hotspots could go out after 9pm.
Fact is, Kamla, or her speechwriter, did not clearly explain the situation on Sunday or Monday. AG was not prepared to concede that, so DK kept making him return to that point.
The next is more pertinent and we may well need Bakes to clarify. Gibbs & Tonto gone AWOL, so out comes "acting commissioner Williams" on Monday. Everyone calls him AC. Nobody explains where Gibbs & Tonto are.
Now the AG is saying Williams was only made AC by the commission on Tuesday afternoon, and proudly shows the letter, clearly forgetting that everyone watching tv on Monday saw Williams described as AC.
More seriously, although the SOE has to be signed by the President, I do believe a curfew can only be ordered by the countrys senior acting policeman, which is Gibbs. Only once someone is appointed Acting Commissioner can the order be signed. So technically, every arrest made for curfew violation is illegal. In fact, its plausible that the govt acting illegally in conjunction with the defence and police forces in illegally restricting the basic human rights of its citizens for over 36 hours.
Bakes, over to you hoss.
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Hines said something worth thinking about today. He said the decrease in the murder rate was due to the PNM measures put in place. Of course, he could just be playing politics. He said when you put social soloutions in place, it takes time for the effects to be noticed. He said the PP have never introduced their crime plan, aside from appointing Gibbs. He pointed out that the PP have dismantled PNM crime measures, such as closing police posts in what now are hotspots, and not replaced them, so how can they take any credit. He said the blimp may not have been a huge success, but it was an asset that has not been replaced. He also said that it will be impossible to measure the effect of the SOE as PP have declared no goals, that way, any gun seizure or arrest can be determined a victory, but that same result could have been achieved without SOE.
I don't support either party, but he does make a modicum of sense. PP are announcing the arrest of 22 people as proof the SOE works, but only a few weeks ago, an exercise resulted in the arrest of over 100 and drug seizures, without the SOE.
Police, soldiers raid Beetham Gardens, Five murder suspects among 51 arrested
Published: Wed, 2011-07-20 22:07
Derek Achong
An early-morning joint exercise in Beetham Gardens by soldiers and police has resulted in the arrest of 51 people, including five murder suspects. The exercise, headed by Deputy Commissioner of Police in charge of Anti-Crime Operations Mervyn Richardson and ACP Harold Phillip—from 3 am to 10 am—was conducted with the aid of 200 police officers and 60 soldiers. The operation was part of new anti-crime initiatives for Port-of-Spain and environs, after several recent killings in the area. The homicide toll for the Port-of-Spain Division remains the highest in the country, with 55 murders for the year up to late yesterday. The murder suspects are believed to be linked to several unsolved killings in the Port-of-Spain area within the past few weeks. Fourteen suspects were also arrested in connection with recent robberies in the capital city. A quantity of marijuana was also seized, with six people being arrested. Many residents welcomed the exercise and assisted the officers in conducting searches of homes in the area. Also involved in the exercise were Superintendent Don Lezama, ASP Sahadeo Singh and Inspector Harvey Jawahir, with the help of officers of the Guard and Emergency Branch, Port-of-Spain Task Force, Port-of-Spain CID and the Inter-Agency Task Force. Meanwhile, officers of the Morvant Police Station issued 56 traffic tickets yesterday, during an exercise on the Lady Young Road, Morvant. The exercise, which started at 6 am and ended by noon, was led by head of North Eastern Division, Senior Supt Christopher Lewis, and included licensing officers and a group of traffic wardens. Several drivers were ordered to strip the illegal tint from their vehicles, with two cars being impounded by police.
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Diego family robbed during curfew hours
By ANNA-LISA PAUL Wednesday, August 24 2011
ONE HOUR before the curfew was due to come to an end yesterday morning, a Diego Martin family was terrorised by two gun-toting men who entered their home and beat them before stealing a quantity of personal and household items.
Senior officials in the Western Division yesterday confirmed the incident occurred at about 4 am at a house at Tomato Drive, North Post Road, River Estate in Diego Martin.
Investigators said the attack left 19-year old Denzil Radix with wounds to the head and face that required stitches.
Newsday understands that two armed men broke into the house as the Radix family were asleep and announced a hold up.
It is reported that after the occupants refused to hand over a quantity of electronic items, the gunmen became enraged and began beating Denzil Radix with their guns.
The family later handed over a quantity of items valued at more than $12,000 which included cash, jewellery, three cell phones and a lap-top computer to the gunmen who escaped on foot.
Admitting that they increased patrols in the Diego Martin area last night as a result of yesterday’s robbery, senior officials said a trend may be emerging as bandits unable to leave the area may now start robbing persons residing within the area. :thinking:
When Newsday contacted Diego Martin Central MP, Dr Amery Browne, he too confirmed the incident as he said Denzil Radix was forced to seek treatment at hospital for the wounds inflicted by the gunmen.
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It is a tense time for everyone. 22 bandits is good. The better news is really the point of no murders. Everybody want to have their cake and eat it, if they can't do that they quick to find fault.
Lock it down.
Preacher, like God desert Kamla and PP and the people of T&T or wha? I always heard dat he was a Trini?
Anyway, they called a limited State of Emergency, but the President proclaimed a general state of emergency all de nice words and back tracking cyar change dat.
The CoP and he assistant were both out the country and had NO SAY in the so-called decision making! The two men most charged with defending public security both absent??? Not strange to you? Add the FACT that the day before, Roodilal Moonilal, the Head of Government Business, heir apparent and high ranking cabinet minister stated that he saw no need for a State of Emergency! Is that not strange to you?
The government has articulated NO PLAN, clear or obfuscated to deal with crime other than a state of emergency and curfews in specific areas. IS that not troubling to you and others?
Civil rights have been abrogated on a knee jerk response to public outcry?
What happens after the 15 days have expired? Crime returns to normal and we resort to what course of action then?
Even if the State of Emergency is extended for 12 more months, and curfews stay in place, do you really feel that crime will decrease or that those so inclined to criminality would just migrate?
What plan does the government have to increase public confidence in the police? The CoP and his asst. took off and, they seem to have stalled in their efforts to reform the police service.
Public Servants were planning to take industrial action as were the police to press for higher wages and greater benefits and now???
Why was a State of Emergency necessary for the arrest of persons wanted for crimes and drug dealing? Did they suddenly discover who these persons of interest were last night? This morning?
Why were police posts closed down in the self same areas that are now deemed "hot spots?" What efforts are being taken to curtail and staunch the flow of arms and ammunition into the Twin Island Nation? The guns cannot be entering by land!
From many, many reports, police presence on the streets seem to be very limited, if these reports are true, and they have been circulated on all news media, then what is the real purpose of this SOE?
Now as I have stated, I am for a State of Emergency, and I have been advocating one for the past 4 years now....but not like this, not without a plan.
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Extradite Ish and Steve NOW!
Allyuh say allyuh serious about crime? Not jes de little black boys in Laventille and Morvant...
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anand handled himself like he usually does, he answered the questions despite being interrupted on a regular basis
he knows the law and knows the constitution inside out, i have spoken to anand several times in the past and he is not confrontational, i found the interviewer boldface and he lacked knowledge of the law, especially in terms of the SOE
the govt will not let out to the public everything about the arrests, the 22 men who were arrested can lead to a major breakthrough, unless some of us on here know the men arrested, if you don't, then how the hell can you assume they are small timers?
right now we are just assuming, the public needs to exercise some patience and judge the results at the end of the SOE, instead of jumping to conclusions and casting judgement so early
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anand handled himself like he usually does, he answered the questions despite being interrupted on a regular basis
he knows the law and knows the constitution inside out, i have spoken to anand several times in the past and he is not confrontational, i found the interviewer boldface and he lacked knowledge of the law, especially in terms of the SOE
the govt will not let out to the public everything about the arrests, the 22 men who were arrested can lead to a major breakthrough, unless some of us on here know the men arrested, if you don't, then how the hell can you assume they are small timers?
right now we are just assuming, the public needs to exercise some patience and judge the results at the end of the SOE, instead of jumping to conclusions and casting judgement so early
Just my observation, but if I was a drug Mr Big, I probably wouldn't be living on Nelson Street. And the ease with which they were arrested, just doesn't warrant an SOE. The public is frustrated and assuming because the govt requires our patience and assistance, but doesn't inform us. I fully understand operational secrecy, but if these 22 hardend criminals were targeted before the SOE was announced, why haven't they announced the individual reasons they were arrested? They should have a file on each person. After all, these are some of the criminals that the SOE was put in place to catch. Because the AG & sandy keep talking about swift action and taking the war to the gangs. So if thats what you're going to do, you get the required intelligence, build your case and hit hard without warning, like they did at Beetham last month. You certainly do not leave your top targets free to wander around and disappear for 3 days and arrest a few small timers in the meantime.
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Are Gibbs and his sidekick on police business in Brazil (e.g. possibly related to this drug bust)? Presumably they are if they went together? When did they leave?
Apparently, Gibbs just decided to go on Saturday morning. He did not request permission. I don't think anyone has announced the location of Tonto. One would assume that if these 11 murders were deemed serious enough to warrant an SOE, Gibbs would have been consulted on Saturday morning and told to begin planning operations for a response, which may have included the option of an SOE. Surely there was more thought and planning than the Cabinet saying on Sunday, "lets do it."? They must, at least, have to consult the CoP?
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anand handled himself like he usually does, he answered the questions despite being interrupted on a regular basis
he knows the law and knows the constitution inside out, i have spoken to anand several times in the past and he is not confrontational, i found the interviewer boldface and he lacked knowledge of the law, especially in terms of the SOE
the govt will not let out to the public everything about the arrests, the 22 men who were arrested can lead to a major breakthrough, unless some of us on here know the men arrested, if you don't, then how the hell can you assume they are small timers?
right now we are just assuming, the public needs to exercise some patience and judge the results at the end of the SOE, instead of jumping to conclusions and casting judgement so early
Yes Anand handled himself as atypical lawyer. But the interviewer was NOT bold faced and he attempted to keep Anand focused and honest.
And if Anand knows the law as you say and the constitution inside out, whe de f**k he always hiring some team of lawyers to advise him on simple matters as well as posting shit on facebook asking for case precedence?
Steups...take yuh bullshit somewhere else boss.
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When asked about the cancellation of fireworks for the nation's 49th Independence Anniversary the AG replies: "The only fireworks we want to see if between the bandits and the police"
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When asked about the cancellation of fireworks for the nation's 49th Independence Anniversary the AG replies: "The only fireworks we want to see if between the bandits and the police"
I loving this .. Licence to wipe out all dem criminals.. I backing di police force to di fullest Kill frm a side .. dem fellas playing bad.. I wah see who badder now.. Police or criminals...
I bet yu dem faggot criminals start bawling for peace now..
war
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When asked about the cancellation of fireworks for the nation's 49th Independence Anniversary the AG replies: "The only fireworks we want to see if between the bandits and the police"
I loving this .. Licence to wipe out all dem criminals.. I backing di police force to di fullest Kill frm a side .. dem fellas playing bad.. I wah see who badder now.. Police or criminals...
I bet yu dem faggot criminals start bawling for peace now..
war
Childish and utterly classless!
In any real country in the world this clown would have resigned already!
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He's a bloody drama queen. he doesn't know his ass from his elbow.
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More seriously, although the SOE has to be signed by the President, I do believe a curfew can only be ordered by the countrys senior acting policeman, which is Gibbs. Only once someone is appointed Acting Commissioner can the order be signed. So technically, every arrest made for curfew violation is illegal. In fact, its plausible that the govt acting illegally in conjunction with the defence and police forces in illegally restricting the basic human rights of its citizens for over 36 hours.
Bakes, over to you hoss.
I am far from any expert... but it doesn't make sense to me that a policeman can order curfew or any such serious limitation on the freedom to move. That is an executive decision, likely the call of the President... as Anand explain.
I can't stand Anand, but this interview is hardly the smoking gun that folks making it out to be. Yeah, he try to deny the fact that duncey head Kamla call it a "limited" SOE... I expect him to get pilloried in the press on that one.
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Kallipersad dealt with him very well..Yuh can leave...lol
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anand handled himself like he usually does, he answered the questions despite being interrupted on a regular basis
he knows the law and knows the constitution inside out, i have spoken to anand several times in the past and he is not confrontational, i found the interviewer boldface and he lacked knowledge of the law, especially in terms of the SOE
the govt will not let out to the public everything about the arrests, the 22 men who were arrested can lead to a major breakthrough, unless some of us on here know the men arrested, if you don't, then how the hell can you assume they are small timers?
right now we are just assuming, the public needs to exercise some patience and judge the results at the end of the SOE, instead of jumping to conclusions and casting judgement so early
Jackass... because the police roll up Nelson Street and grab them off de street and put them siddung in de tray of ah pick up. Police didn't even have they weapons drawn. Any reasonable person could hence conclude that they are not not big time criminals... any reasonable person. You are obviously excused from understanding.
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It is a tense time for everyone. 22 bandits is good. The better news is really the point of no murders. Everybody want to have their cake and eat it, if they can't do that they quick to find fault.
Lock it down.
Preacher, like God desert Kamla and PP and the people of T&T or wha? I always heard dat he was a Trini?
Anyway, they called a limited State of Emergency, but the President proclaimed a general state of emergency all de nice words and back tracking cyar change dat.
The CoP and he assistant were both out the country and had NO SAY in the so-called decision making! The two men most charged with defending public security both absent??? Not strange to you? Add the FACT that the day before, Roodilal Moonilal, the Head of Government Business, heir apparent and high ranking cabinet minister stated that he saw no need for a State of Emergency! Is that not strange to you?
The government has articulated NO PLAN, clear or obfuscated to deal with crime other than a state of emergency and curfews in specific areas. IS that not troubling to you and others?
Civil rights have been abrogated on a knee jerk response to public outcry?
What happens after the 15 days have expired? Crime returns to normal and we resort to what course of action then?
Even if the State of Emergency is extended for 12 more months, and curfews stay in place, do you really feel that crime will decrease or that those so inclined to criminality would just migrate?
What plan does the government have to increase public confidence in the police? The CoP and his asst. took off and, they seem to have stalled in their efforts to reform the police service.
Public Servants were planning to take industrial action as were the police to press for higher wages and greater benefits and now???
Why was a State of Emergency necessary for the arrest of persons wanted for crimes and drug dealing? Did they suddenly discover who these persons of interest were last night? This morning?
Why were police posts closed down in the self same areas that are now deemed "hot spots?" What efforts are being taken to curtail and staunch the flow of arms and ammunition into the Twin Island Nation? The guns cannot be entering by land!
From many, many reports, police presence on the streets seem to be very limited, if these reports are true, and they have been circulated on all news media, then what is the real purpose of this SOE?
Now as I have stated, I am for a State of Emergency, and I have been advocating one for the past 4 years now....but not like this, not without a plan.
TC no doubt that there are more questions than answers and very shamefully, our leaders can't seem to sing the same tune. In addition, Batman is out of the country. I understand Brownsugar's frustration because in moments like these government needs to reassure people that due process is being executed. Sadly, this does not seem to be happening.
Brother, I guess my hope is that the protective services, the armed services and the public services will take personal leadership to do their jobs well and in doing so serve their communities. No one has touched on this yet, but this question should probe every heart in T&T. What could I have done to avert the present state in T&T? I say this respectfully cause I don't live there. Should I have volunteered more? Why am I always waiting for the government to make the difference?
Sorry...on a tangent but yes you right it have a early 'Juvert Morning' vibes to the whole thing.
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Football Supporter....I might be talking out of turn here but I presume that the rights given to law enforcement under SOE is different. So no, they could not do what they wanted before. But now, if you are a little henchman you better sing.
Maybe Bakes, Weary or TC might have some more info on criminal rights during an SOE.
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The present state of TT didn't start with the new government but has been festering for years under previous governments.All these governments of past years have done very little for their staunchest supporters,supporters who would literally die for them.A country blessed with so much natural wealth but yet so much "social deprivation" in certain parts.Children literally grow up ferral,lack of education,no jobs,bad housing,no creature comforts,these human beings grow up with affected brains and mind so what is happenning shouldn't be unexpected.Their needs to be a massive social restructuring of those places most affected with crimes.Millions of dollars needs to be spent giving those people whatever their needs are,there must be ways of slowing down the massacare that is taking place.It would take time but police shooting dong people left right and centre isn't helping.
If yuh doh have anything to say jess shut yuh ignorant rass.
Pack of ass talk.
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Dinho...wuz your rel stories?
You tell me... What you think is my rel stories?
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http://www.youtube.com/v/2L7xrKzIFDw
And this is one ah de reasons dem criminals still distressing people....When de police swoop in to arrest dem, dey family or significant other does always be crying and bawilng bout dey have de wrong person or he is ah good fellah.... Stupesssss
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Football Supporter....I might be talking out of turn here but I presume that the rights given to law enforcement under SOE is different. So no, they could not do what they wanted before. But now, if you are a little henchman you better sing.
Maybe Bakes, Weary or TC might have some more info on criminal rights during an SOE.
I would agree totally, Preacher, but my issue is, they don't seem to be doing anything different. In a state of emergency, the public should be kept as informed as possible without revealing sensitive operational data. These additional powers are being used how exactly? How many houses have been searched so far? On what charges were people arrested?
If you properly plan an operation such as this, the element of surprise is key. You use a blitzkreig approach, an orchestrated attack on multi targets. I fully expected to see the news on monday and see widespread arrests in all 6 hot spot boroughs. In fact, in each of the 20 or so hotspots. Hundreds of suspects rounded up and held, hundreds of weapons seized, multiple drug seizures. This is how you wage war on crime in this extreme. You then have 14 days to mop up the ring leaders and criminals identified by the arrested suspects and retrieve further contraband.
This is what I expected. Unarmed police arresting people on Nelson St is usual police practice. I have not seen one resulting excercise that warrents an SOE. It just points to the fact that this was poorly planned. The intelligence wasn't there and the operational leadership were caught offguard. I truly believe this is political. If not, the senior policemen would have been involved before the declaration. A list of top 100 targets would have been compiled. Kamla did this when her top two policemen were out of the country. Is she mad? And when you take this kind of political gamble, you make damn sure you have guaranteed results to show the people immediately. This could result in the failure of her government through no confidence. I would have insisted that I had immediate results. Look at the news and discussions. Its all about Gibbs being away, and poor communications etc. It should be all about the crims being taken off the streets.
Think, if it hadn't been for the lucky break of those idiot robbers in Arima, which was not connected to the curfew, there would have been no news monday morning resulting from SOE.
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Football Supporter....I might be talking out of turn here but I presume that the rights given to law enforcement under SOE is different. So no, they could not do what they wanted before. But now, if you are a little henchman you better sing.
Maybe Bakes, Weary or TC might have some more info on criminal rights during an SOE.
Bush lawyer that I am knows that at d end of d day if dey eh have no evidence dem fellas bck on d road. B4 d SOE u can only hold man 4 48 hrs and then lay a charge d SOE will give dem d opportunity 2 hold dem longer. So u hold dem 4 a period we get a breather from d murders hope dem hard ears pickney learn dey lessen and stop being gang member when dey come out if dey eh have evidence.
D Gang bill dey was tryin 2 pass was 2 keep dem lock up I tink 4 3/12.
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Daly: Govt won't hang the Jack
By Ria Taitt Political Editor
Story Created: Aug 23, 2011 at 11:50 PM ECT
(Story Updated: Aug 23, 2011 at 11:50 PM ECT )
Senior counsel Martin Daly said yesterday that while he was and still is in favour of the calling of a state of emergency, he had serious reservations about whether this Government was capable of making good use of it.
The former president of the Law Association said there were two principal purposes for calling a state of emergency, given the fact that civil rights are suspended.
Firstly, he said there should an immediate and purposeful attempt to go into the areas where it is believed there are large caches of weapons and seize those weapons, with a view to taking out of circulation as many weapons as possible. "You probably cannot accomplish that under normal circumstances, given the garrison conditions in certain communities and the fear of witnesses, the fear of reprisals and all that," he noted.
The second equally important purpose of a state of emergency must be the service of detention orders on the principal known criminal figures, he said. "It is constantly being said when someone is dead that X is a known drug dealer, X is a known drug baron... but you can't prove it because you can't get witnesses... because of the intimidation, death of witness, turf warfare and so on."
"So it would have been expected there to be very little room left on Nelson Island by the end of the first night of the state of emergency. And if that is not the purpose of it (the state of emergency), then it is a complete trivalisation of a very, very serious matter. If it is, that you just going to keep people cooped up in the so-called hot spots. What happens when the state of emergency is finished? They (criminals) just come back out and resume business as usual. All you would have done is stop some crime for a while, and what is likely to happen if you don't do the things I am saying (should be done) is that you will have a huge backlash and outburst of crime because 'man' coffers get empty while you put them out of business temporarily. So if that is not what they (the Government) are doing, then it is a complete trivalisation and complete incompetence."
Daly said he would also insist that in terms of the people on whom detention orders are being served, that they include persons who the financial intelligence agencies have reason to suspect are money launderers.
Daly said the way the announcement and implementation of the state of emergency were being handled was worrying.
"First of all, they are describing it as a limited state of emergency when essentially it is not," he said. "So they have everybody believing that civil rights have not been suspended in Tobago, Mayaro, Icacos... and other areas that are not hot spots... and that is absolutely ridiculous. That is a recipe for confusion," he said, adding: "If you are going to do this, you must have the courage of conviction and describe it for what it is."
Daly said the fact was if one looked at the Government Notice 113 of 1995, which was the proclamation of the state of emergency, it said a "state of emergency exists in the city of Port of Spain in the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago".
He said the Government Notice of 162 of 2011 states a state of public emergency exists in the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago. "In their ignorance they have picked up the expression 'limited state of emergency', used firstly by Desmond Allum to describe the concept of declaring of a state of emergency in a particular area of gangland where people were shooting each other up," he said.
He noted that when this idea was floated, it was subsequently pointed out that it could not work because the "fellas" would move out of the emergency area and into a free area and carry on as usual.
Daly said from what he saw, it appeared that the police were on curfew too "because from every neighbourhood from which I have received reports, the people are telling me they didn't see any police on the streets. When you play this ace, you have to hang Jack. If you play this ace and ain't hang Jack, you have absolutely no credible authority after this".
Daly said it was extremely imprudent for anything to have been said until the curfew was in force. "I can't imagine why you would do something like that. (The way it is done is that) It is always said, 'I have today declared a state of emergency.' That has to be done after everything is in place and you have a man (police officer) outside Mr Ali Baba's door. And I imagine (as a result of it not been done that way) certain people would have change their address or gone on a fast boat and left.
"So I believe that they are not going to hang the Jack. And then of course in terms of timing. Firstly, didn't they trust the Commissioner of Police? They allowed the man leave (for Brazil)? They didn't say, 'Commish, yuh can't go Brazil,' again, leave withdrawn?
"Then I do not know that the time to do this was when the police, whether unsuccessfully or not, were threatening to strike. When you going to do this, you have to have the hearts and minds of the people who are going to carry it out on board."
Daly, who has been in favour of the calling of a state of emergency in the past, said as far as he was concerned it should have been called halfway through the last Manning administration.
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CURFEW CONFUSION
'Invalid' order saved by appointment of Acting CoP
By Ria Taitt Political Editor
As legal sources raised doubt over the validity of the Emergency Powers Curfew Order 2011 yesterday, the Police Service Commission (PSC) moved to remedy a potential problem by appointing Stephen Williams as acting Police Commissioner.
The Commission's appointment came at least 20 hours after Williams signed the Curfew Order purporting to be "acting Commissioner of Police" when he was not yet appointed to the position.
The Curfew Order must be signed by the Commissioner of Police, or someone who is validly appointed at act in this position. The Commission is the only body which is competent in law to make this appointment.
Last night in TV6 News Attorney General Anand Ramlogan confirmed that Williams' letter of appointment was August 23 (yesterday's date). But when asked if this meant that any aspect of the State of Emergency or curfew was invalid, Ramlogan insisted that Williams was "validly appointed". The curfew order was signed on Monday, August 22.
Senior Counsel Dana Seetahal, speaking in her private capacity, said the validity of the curfew order would be in jeopardy if Williams was not appointed to act by the Commission. However she said if he is retroactively appointed, it would "clean up the mess".
The Commission in a strongly worded release yesterday publicly rebuked the two top members of the Police Executive—substantive Commissioner Dwayne Gibbs and his deputy Jack Ewatski, expressing concern that Gibbs and Ewatski left the country without properly informing the commission.
"The Police Service Commission wishes to signal its alarm and concern over the procedure and protocol employed by the Commissioner of Police for his leave of absence from the country and his possible leave of absence from duty in the Office of Commissioner of Police. We are also now informed that Deputy Commissioner Ewatski is also out of the country and we again express our concern...Neither of these two gentlemen have sought to notify us properly of their absences," the Commission stated.
The Commission also noted that it had to learnt via media reports (exclusively carried in yesterday's Express) that Gibbs were actually detained and held for some hours in Brazil, where he went to attend a conference. "We as yet have heard nothing from Commissioner Gibbs in relation to this incident, which by media reports, appears to be a tremendous embarrassment not only to the Police Service...and by extension the Police Service Commission, but also to the entire nation of Trinidad and Tobago as it appears that his detention may have been the result of Commissioner Gibbs not having a visa for such entry into Brazil".
The Commission lamented that both Gibbs and Ewatski have been conspicuously absent from the forefront of the current arrangements relating to the State of Emergency and the accompanying policing arrangements. "The Police Service Commission has been provided with no forwarding address for these two gentlemen, nor any overseas contact telephone numbers for them," it said.
It noted that Williams had been in a lead role in these arrangements in what is in effect a depleted Police Service Executive. It noted with concern that Williams, "through no fault of his own", has been referred to in the media as the Acting Commissioner of Police. But it stressed that "due to the lack of proper procedures and protocol" (as a result of Gibbs not properly informing the Commission of his absence), the Commission "has had no prior opportunity to make the appointment of Deputy Commissioner Williams to act as Commissioner of Police for the time that Commissioner Gibbs has been out of the country.
The Commission said it observed via the media that a Legal Notice No. 164- the Emergency Powers Curfew Order 2011—was issued under the hand of Williams "purporting to be the Acting Commissioner of Police". In an apparent criticism of Williams, the Commission said it wanted to "caution all parties involved of the need to observe the policies and procedures and timelines as set out in the Constitution for the making of these appointments and arrangements as there can be serious implications and consequences".
The Commission said it was seeking to get from Gibbs and Ewatski their objectives and goals for the Police Service during this period, especially since it had to give the assurance to the population that the police would conduct themselves in a manner that is "fair, balanced and humane, with the fullest respect for the dignity of persons and their property and devoid of excesses and abuses of power".
It said it was giving Gibbs and Ewatski the "fullest opportunity" to be heard and would be writing to them to ask them to explain and account for their absences as well as to be informed of their objectives, goals and plans.
The Commission pointedly referred to the fact that it could terminate the services of the Commissioner or Deputy CoP:
a) where the officer is absent for seven consecutive days, during which he has failed to notify the Commission of the cause of his absence, whether he holds a permanent, temporary or contractual appointment
b) for breach of contract and
c) reported inefficiency based on his performance appraisal reports, after giving him an opportunity to be heard.
The Commission said it intended to complete the appraisals of both Gibbs and Ewatski in the near future and it would report to the public accordingly.
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Was the murders of 11 people in 4 days anything to do with the massive find of drugs prior to the slaughter,it seems that way and if so the SOE is the best option.Who knows how many more was in for the bullet in the head or the cutlash.
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Was the murders of 11 people in 4 days anything to do with the massive find of drugs prior to the slaughter,it seems that way and if so the SOE is the best option.Who knows how many more was in for the bullet in the head or the cutlash.
That's what it seems from what they saying, whether or not its the truth who knows. The way they were acting in the conference yesterday , it seems they know something but not saying. It would have to be pretty big to call a state of emergency for that.
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Was the murders of 11 people in 4 days anything to do with the massive find of drugs prior to the slaughter,it seems that way and if so the SOE is the best option.Who knows how many more was in for the bullet in the head or the cutlash.
You have yuh head so far up your ass it eh funny nah!
The SOE is shit until a plan is articulated, some emasure of measurables and deliverables!
Odderwise is shit!
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Links to those articles?
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Daly: Govt won't hang the Jack
By Ria Taitt Political Editor
Story Created: Aug 23, 2011 at 11:50 PM ECT
(Story Updated: Aug 23, 2011 at 11:50 PM ECT )
Senior counsel Martin Daly said yesterday that while he was and still is in favour of the calling of a state of emergency, he had serious reservations about whether this Government was capable of making good use of it.
The former president of the Law Association said there were two principal purposes for calling a state of emergency, given the fact that civil rights are suspended.
Firstly, he said there should an immediate and purposeful attempt to go into the areas where it is believed there are large caches of weapons and seize those weapons, with a view to taking out of circulation as many weapons as possible. "You probably cannot accomplish that under normal circumstances, given the garrison conditions in certain communities and the fear of witnesses, the fear of reprisals and all that," he noted.
The second equally important purpose of a state of emergency must be the service of detention orders on the principal known criminal figures, he said. "It is constantly being said when someone is dead that X is a known drug dealer, X is a known drug baron... but you can't prove it because you can't get witnesses... because of the intimidation, death of witness, turf warfare and so on."
"So it would have been expected there to be very little room left on Nelson Island by the end of the first night of the state of emergency. And if that is not the purpose of it (the state of emergency), then it is a complete trivalisation of a very, very serious matter. If it is, that you just going to keep people cooped up in the so-called hot spots. What happens when the state of emergency is finished? They (criminals) just come back out and resume business as usual. All you would have done is stop some crime for a while, and what is likely to happen if you don't do the things I am saying (should be done) is that you will have a huge backlash and outburst of crime because 'man' coffers get empty while you put them out of business temporarily. So if that is not what they (the Government) are doing, then it is a complete trivalisation and complete incompetence."
Daly said he would also insist that in terms of the people on whom detention orders are being served, that they include persons who the financial intelligence agencies have reason to suspect are money launderers.
Daly said the way the announcement and implementation of the state of emergency were being handled was worrying.
"First of all, they are describing it as a limited state of emergency when essentially it is not," he said. "So they have everybody believing that civil rights have not been suspended in Tobago, Mayaro, Icacos... and other areas that are not hot spots... and that is absolutely ridiculous. That is a recipe for confusion," he said, adding: "If you are going to do this, you must have the courage of conviction and describe it for what it is."
Daly said the fact was if one looked at the Government Notice 113 of 1995, which was the proclamation of the state of emergency, it said a "state of emergency exists in the city of Port of Spain in the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago".
He said the Government Notice of 162 of 2011 states a state of public emergency exists in the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago. "In their ignorance they have picked up the expression 'limited state of emergency', used firstly by Desmond Allum to describe the concept of declaring of a state of emergency in a particular area of gangland where people were shooting each other up," he said.
He noted that when this idea was floated, it was subsequently pointed out that it could not work because the "fellas" would move out of the emergency area and into a free area and carry on as usual.
Daly said from what he saw, it appeared that the police were on curfew too "because from every neighbourhood from which I have received reports, the people are telling me they didn't see any police on the streets. When you play this ace, you have to hang Jack. If you play this ace and ain't hang Jack, you have absolutely no credible authority after this".
Daly said it was extremely imprudent for anything to have been said until the curfew was in force. "I can't imagine why you would do something like that. (The way it is done is that) It is always said, 'I have today declared a state of emergency.' That has to be done after everything is in place and you have a man (police officer) outside Mr Ali Baba's door. And I imagine (as a result of it not been done that way) certain people would have change their address or gone on a fast boat and left.
"So I believe that they are not going to hang the Jack. And then of course in terms of timing. Firstly, didn't they trust the Commissioner of Police? They allowed the man leave (for Brazil)? They didn't say, 'Commish, yuh can't go Brazil,' again, leave withdrawn?
"Then I do not know that the time to do this was when the police, whether unsuccessfully or not, were threatening to strike. When you going to do this, you have to have the hearts and minds of the people who are going to carry it out on board."
Daly, who has been in favour of the calling of a state of emergency in the past, said as far as he was concerned it should have been called halfway through the last Manning administration.
Daly talk the most amount of sense I've read on this issue so far. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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117 arrest over night. Drugs , guns, 56 gang members.
Drug bust recently stopped a major multi million dollar trafficking ring. A.G says a major crysis was stopped. Because of revenge killings. Seems it was a big thing.
Edit: The recent drug bust relates to d port and airport.
One more thing. Gibbs says it was being planned way before the state of emergency was called.
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117 arrest over night. Drugs , guns, 56 gang members.
Drug bust recently stopped a major multi million dollar trafficking ring. A.G says a major crysis was stopped. Because of revenge killings. Seems it was a big thing.
Edit: The recent drug bust relates to d port and airport.
One more thing. Gibbs says it was being planned way before the state of emergency was called.
I like the drugs and guns bust but simply arrests doh mean ah thing (someone else said this). Nobody doh get found guilty ah nuttin so to me them arrests doh mean much (yet).
Like some, I sitting back and waiting to see how this thing play out. People disecting and scrutinizing every move and that's ok for some, not me. I looking at the macro effect not the micro managing that going on with most.
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Rowley giving a press conference now on the issue....
www.I955fm.com (http://www.I955fm.com)
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The "S" making the rounds is that Petrotrin shut down and people should go and fill yuh gas tank.
Most people in my office went to fill up lunchtime.
Anybody hear anything so?
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According to GayelleTV on Facebook:
Neighbours there are several BBM msgs going around about a gas shortage and NP shutting down in TnT. Please Note, there is no gasolene shortage therefore no need to panic buy! NP is functioning out of Sea Lots as normal. Do not panic buy!
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The "S" making the rounds is that Petrotrin shut down and people should go and fill yuh gas tank.
Most people in my office went to fill up lunchtime.
Anybody hear anything so?
Had a shut down on Petrrotrin lunchtime so this = Gas shortage. I surprise that people eh fulling up since Sunday.
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Rowley giving a press conference now on the issue....
www.I955fm.com (http://www.I955fm.com)
Chatting sense did not know d anti gang act did pass?
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reports comin in from all around. gas stations have long lines of cars waiting to full up. ppl panicking
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Prisons Officers trying to find out where they putting all the people the police bringing in. They don't know who is who and Police just keep "dropping off" more.
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some of the gas stations in south already out of gas, the rest of them in a mess.. police vehicles fighting up with other drivers to fill up too...
Well done kamla, Anand and Sandy (ah mean Gary)
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Prisons Officers trying to find out where they putting all the people the police bringing in. They don't know who is who and Police just keep "dropping off" more.
Imagine how much man going and get lost in that chaos... man go be lock up fuh weeks, crime or no crime. The gas 'crisis' only adding to the chaos... I really don't understand why supply being affected. But all this is further indictment of the lack of planning... yuh just doh trifle with this kinda thing. I could see if the country was under attack or some armed gang on the loose terrorizing the public... but ah outbreak of crime confined to certain areas?
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reports comin in from all around. gas stations have long lines of cars waiting to full up. ppl panicking
I hear Petrotrin is on strike. Chaguanas was jam up. Highway heading East from Grand Bazaar static nose to tail. 30 minute wait for gas in Diego.
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This song written after the 80'sb riots in UK is applicable
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WhhSBgd3KI
But this should be the SOE theme song!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vh8J1istSg8&feature=related
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Prisons Officers trying to find out where they putting all the people the police bringing in. They don't know who is who and Police just keep "dropping off" more.
Imagine how much man going and get lost in that chaos... man go be lock up fuh weeks, crime or no crime. The gas 'crisis' only adding to the chaos... I really don't understand why supply being affected. But all this is further indictment of the lack of planning... yuh just doh trifle with this kinda thing. I could see if the country was under attack or some armed gang on the loose terrorizing the public... but ah outbreak of crime confined to certain areas?
Hoss, I just asking but what does the SOE have to do with some band of idiots sending out emails and posts on FB that their is a run on gas? The only thing I would blame them for in this instance is there lack of response and I don't know whether they responded yet or not.
The same thing happen here in the GA about 5 years ago and regardless of what the Governor in GA said, people was still panicking.... Yuh cyar stop stupidity but I understand that people eh taking no chances.
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Prisons Officers trying to find out where they putting all the people the police bringing in. They don't know who is who and Police just keep "dropping off" more.
Imagine how much man going and get lost in that chaos... man go be lock up fuh weeks, crime or no crime. The gas 'crisis' only adding to the chaos... I really don't understand why supply being affected. But all this is further indictment of the lack of planning... yuh just doh trifle with this kinda thing. I could see if the country was under attack or some armed gang on the loose terrorizing the public... but ah outbreak of crime confined to certain areas?
Hoss, I just asking but what does the SOE have to do with some band of idiots sending out emails and posts on FB that their is a run on gas? The only thing I would blame them for in this instance is there lack of response and I don't know whether they responded yet or not.
The same thing happen here in the GA about 5 years ago and regardless of what the Governor in GA said, people was still panicking.... Yuh cyar stop stupidity but I understand that people eh taking no chances.
In fact partner, ah hear the PM just make a statement there is no run on gas...... Just a bunch of idiots trying to create havoc.
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Somebody start a rumour that Petrotrin men on strike or going to strike or had a small protest down in Pointe-a-Pierre earlier today. What ever it was, with every body jumpy and on edge with this SOE situation, all it needs is something like that for all hell to break loose.
Subsequently, NP came out saying there is no shortage but of course, that doh spread as fast as de rumour so is jam in town and all around for gas. In any event, my tank 3/4 filled so I good to go for about 2 days.....
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Rowley giving a press conference now on the issue....
www.I955fm.com (http://www.I955fm.com)
Chatting sense did not know d anti gang act did pass?
Yes it did. After plenty back and forth on both sides, de opposition supported it eventually.....but nah, fyah bun dat. SOE is the BEST option..... ::) ::)
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So Sandy say the preconception that they going after small fish will change in a few days. I wonder what he is implying ?
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Somebody start a rumour that Petrotrin men on strike or going to strike or had a small protest down in Pointe-a-Pierre earlier today. What ever it was, with every body jumpy and on edge with this SOE situation, all it needs is something like that for all hell to break loose.
Subsequently, NP came out saying there is no shortage but of course, that doh spread as fast as de rumour so is jam in town and all around for gas. In any event, my tank 3/4 filled so I good to go for about 2 days.....
It must be real chaos down dey boy.... I could only imagine. My question is how could there be a SOE and people having any type of protest? These people either real brave or real dotish.... Police/Military eh have tuh ask no questions tuh lock yuh up.....steups........
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Wheeey sah...plenty bacchanal in Trini boy. TnT....not your average Caribbean paradise
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Somebody start a rumour that Petrotrin men on strike or going to strike or had a small protest down in Pointe-a-Pierre earlier today. What ever it was, with every body jumpy and on edge with this SOE situation, all it needs is something like that for all hell to break loose.
Subsequently, NP came out saying there is no shortage but of course, that doh spread as fast as de rumour so is jam in town and all around for gas. In any event, my tank 3/4 filled so I good to go for about 2 days.....
It must be real chaos down dey boy.... I could only imagine. My question is how could there be a SOE and people having any type of protest? These people either real brave or real dotish.... Police/Military eh have tuh ask no questions tuh lock yuh up.....steups........
When the unions accused govt of introducing the SOE to crush the strikes, Kamla said the other day that unions still allowed to protest. Civil rights haven't been removed until 9pm each night!
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Somebody start a rumour that Petrotrin men on strike or going to strike or had a small protest down in Pointe-a-Pierre earlier today. What ever it was, with every body jumpy and on edge with this SOE situation, all it needs is something like that for all hell to break loose.
Subsequently, NP came out saying there is no shortage but of course, that doh spread as fast as de rumour so is jam in town and all around for gas. In any event, my tank 3/4 filled so I good to go for about 2 days.....
It must be real chaos down dey boy.... I could only imagine. My question is how could there be a SOE and people having any type of protest? These people either real brave or real dotish.... Police/Military eh have tuh ask no questions tuh lock yuh up.....steups........
When the unions accused govt of introducing the SOE to crush the strikes, Kamla said the other day that unions still allowed to protest. Civil rights haven't been removed until 9pm each night!
Forgive me if I'm wrong but a curfew is a byproduct or part of the SOE...SOE doh start and end by hours, at least I don't think so.
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http://pedrotercero.wordpress.com/2011/08/24/all-or-nothing-seeking-out-sensibility-in-the-state-of-emergency-sos-soe/
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Somebody start a rumour that Petrotrin men on strike or going to strike or had a small protest down in Pointe-a-Pierre earlier today. What ever it was, with every body jumpy and on edge with this SOE situation, all it needs is something like that for all hell to break loose.
Subsequently, NP came out saying there is no shortage but of course, that doh spread as fast as de rumour so is jam in town and all around for gas. In any event, my tank 3/4 filled so I good to go for about 2 days.....
It must be real chaos down dey boy.... I could only imagine. My question is how could there be a SOE and people having any type of protest? These people either real brave or real dotish.... Police/Military eh have tuh ask no questions tuh lock yuh up.....steups........
When the unions accused govt of introducing the SOE to crush the strikes, Kamla said the other day that unions still allowed to protest. Civil rights haven't been removed until 9pm each night!
No FS. Your civil rights are suspended during a state of emergency. The curfew is just one aspect of the thing.....but right now boss, yuh eh have no rights.....or do you?? Ent you are still a UK citizen?? You here but you're not a citizen so you should still have your rights.....ah think......how does that work?? hhhhmmmmm..... :thinking: :thinking:
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Somebody start a rumour that Petrotrin men on strike or going to strike or had a small protest down in Pointe-a-Pierre earlier today. What ever it was, with every body jumpy and on edge with this SOE situation, all it needs is something like that for all hell to break loose.
Subsequently, NP came out saying there is no shortage but of course, that doh spread as fast as de rumour so is jam in town and all around for gas. In any event, my tank 3/4 filled so I good to go for about 2 days.....
It must be real chaos down dey boy.... I could only imagine. My question is how could there be a SOE and people having any type of protest? These people either real brave or real dotish.... Police/Military eh have tuh ask no questions tuh lock yuh up.....steups........
When the unions accused govt of introducing the SOE to crush the strikes, Kamla said the other day that unions still allowed to protest. Civil rights haven't been removed until 9pm each night!
No FS. Your civil rights are suspended during a state of emergency. The curfew is just one aspect of the thing.....but right now boss, yuh eh have no rights.....or do you?? Ent you are still a UK citizen?? You here but you're not a citizen so you should still have your rights.....ah think......how does that work?? hhhhmmmmm..... :thinking: :thinking:
:rotfl: :rotfl:
I think this SOE is working out more like a SOC - State of Confusion, led by a confused government!!
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anand handled himself like he usually does, he answered the questions despite being interrupted on a regular basis
he knows the law and knows the constitution inside out, i have spoken to anand several times in the past and he is not confrontational, i found the interviewer boldface and he lacked knowledge of the law, especially in terms of the SOE
the govt will not let out to the public everything about the arrests, the 22 men who were arrested can lead to a major breakthrough, unless some of us on here know the men arrested, if you don't, then how the hell can you assume they are small timers?
right now we are just assuming, the public needs to exercise some patience and judge the results at the end of the SOE, instead of jumping to conclusions and casting judgement so early
Jackass... because the police roll up Nelson Street and grab them off de street and put them siddung in de tray of ah pick up. Police didn't even have they weapons drawn. Any reasonable person could hence conclude that they are not not big time criminals... any reasonable person. You are obviously excused from understanding.
117 arrest over night. Drugs , guns, 56 gang members.
Drug bust recently stopped a major multi million dollar trafficking ring. A.G says a major crysis was stopped. Because of revenge killings. Seems it was a big thing.
Edit: The recent drug bust relates to d port and airport.
One more thing. Gibbs says it was being planned way before the state of emergency was called.
people from the EDR know that some of the dons that run certain gangs after fresh was killed, know that the individuals are not small timers and have a substantial presence throughout the country
i don't know what part of the nation you are from but where I am from, i hear the real story and what is really going on. you can dismiss my argument all you want and start your ignorant ranting as usual, but if you don't show me no proof as to who the 22 are that you claim to be small timers, RIDE with your nonsense.
your ignorance doesn't cease to amaze me
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All yuh get d press release from BATT. The Bandit Association of T'dad and Tobago that they are on a 15 day of Rest and Relaxation 13 days to go.
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:rotfl: @ the BATT announcement.
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So Sandy say the preconception that they going after small fish will change in a few days. I wonder what he is implying ?
d criminals from westmoorings, valsayn, flagstaff, already have a headstart. dem ride out already
real fackery
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All yuh get d press release from BATT. The Bandit Association of T'dad and Tobago that they are on a 15 day of Rest and Relaxation 13 days to go.
Looks like the SOE plan is working well and PM is getting the desired LULL in crime that she wants until such time as the SOE is over. Then of course it will be back to business as usual but most importantly the year to year crime figures will have decreased and those figures can be used as great PR by the government to show what a brilliant job they have been doing in fighting crime!!
All’s well that ends well!
From a PP perspective this SOE is a brilliant plan, never mind the international image of the country! :cheers:
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So Sandy say the preconception that they going after small fish will change in a few days. I wonder what he is implying ?
d criminals from westmoorings, valsayn, flagstaff, already have a headstart. dem ride out already
real fackery
He also said that dey get gang leaders and dem is d big fish. Dat fella is a TOY SOLDIER
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If i was pulling intelligence i was running a check of all those who decide to book airline tickets since sunday night, especially if the time between booking and travel date short, one to three days.
Kingpins who really controlling d donzai can more than afford to jump out for a couple of weeks to ensure they avoid any potential drama.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/0AmAfYImfDA
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All yuh get d press release from BATT. The Bandit Association of T'dad and Tobago that they are on a 15 day of Rest and Relaxation 13 days to go.
Looks like the SOE plan is working well and PM is getting the desired LULL in crime that she wants until such time as the SOE is over. Then of course it will be back to business as usual but most importantly the year to year crime figures will have decreased and those figures can be used as great PR by the government to show what a brilliant job they have been doing in fighting crime!!
All’s well that ends well!
From a PP perspective this SOE is a brilliant plan, never mind the international image of the country! :cheers:
what image? dey remove de travel advisory yet?
cast de net wider.
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Debate about the SOE going on right now on C TV!
http://www.ctntworld.com/livestream
The government PR people trying to sell the nation the idea of the SOE being necessary & a wise move!!
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Debate about the SOE going on right now on C TV!
http://www.ctntworld.com/livestream
The government PR people trying to sell the nation the idea of the SOE being necessary & a wise move!!
Boss, I have stopped watching CNMG since de Fazeer controversy.....den dey start showing "The Closer" and since ah addicted to Kyra Sedgewick aka. Deputy Chief Johnson, ah start to watch it on Wednesday nights at 9 pm.
So switch on to check de station and I see Andy Johnson going to interview Ashworth Jack, Nicole Dyer-Griffith and some other fella.....
I switch off one time. I eh in de mood for more propaganda.....and Andy Johnson eh no Dominic Kalipersad.....ah not in de mood for arse licking.....
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Debate about the SOE going on right now on C TV!
http://www.ctntworld.com/livestream
The government PR people trying to sell the nation the idea of the SOE being necessary & a wise move!!
debate ?
Ashworth Jack is a leader of the TOP (PP) , Jawala Rambaran is head of Niherst and the National Council on Tertiary Education ,he's well qualified but he's a political appointee, and Nicole Dyer well .
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http://www.youtube.com/v/0AmAfYImfDA
Nah, nah, nah....I listen to de first verse and I weak!!!..... :rotfl: :rotfl:
Going and try to make it through the rest ah de video....*weak*
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Whey ...Andy Johnson real kissing that ring.
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Whey ...Andy Johnson real kissing that ring.
All yuh have real belly to watch that yes. From the time I see Ashworth Jack I know dem cyar be serious......
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http://www.youtube.com/v/0AmAfYImfDA
Nah, nah, nah....I listen to de first verse and I weak!!!..... :rotfl: :rotfl:
Going and try to make it through the rest ah de video....*weak*
ah love muh trinis. we sweet too bad oui
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^^^^^^^^
If is one thing, this curfew might really bring out the creativity in our citizens :rotfl:
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http://www.youtube.com/v/0AmAfYImfDA
Guess the curfew give people time to get creative!
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Somebody start a rumour that Petrotrin men on strike or going to strike or had a small protest down in Pointe-a-Pierre earlier today. What ever it was, with every body jumpy and on edge with this SOE situation, all it needs is something like that for all hell to break loose.
Subsequently, NP came out saying there is no shortage but of course, that doh spread as fast as de rumour so is jam in town and all around for gas. In any event, my tank 3/4 filled so I good to go for about 2 days.....
It must be real chaos down dey boy.... I could only imagine. My question is how could there be a SOE and people having any type of protest? These people either real brave or real dotish.... Police/Military eh have tuh ask no questions tuh lock yuh up.....steups........
When the unions accused govt of introducing the SOE to crush the strikes, Kamla said the other day that unions still allowed to protest. Civil rights haven't been removed until 9pm each night!
No FS. Your civil rights are suspended during a state of emergency. The curfew is just one aspect of the thing.....but right now boss, yuh eh have no rights.....or do you?? Ent you are still a UK citizen?? You here but you're not a citizen so you should still have your rights.....ah think......how does that work?? hhhhmmmmm..... :thinking: :thinking:
I was kinda being sarcastic about the civil rights, but Kamla definately said workers can still protest legally. As for my rights, I'm the same as you gyal, I living here!
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Somebody start a rumour that Petrotrin men on strike or going to strike or had a small protest down in Pointe-a-Pierre earlier today. What ever it was, with every body jumpy and on edge with this SOE situation, all it needs is something like that for all hell to break loose.
Subsequently, NP came out saying there is no shortage but of course, that doh spread as fast as de rumour so is jam in town and all around for gas. In any event, my tank 3/4 filled so I good to go for about 2 days.....
It must be real chaos down dey boy.... I could only imagine. My question is how could there be a SOE and people having any type of protest? These people either real brave or real dotish.... Police/Military eh have tuh ask no questions tuh lock yuh up.....steups........
When the unions accused govt of introducing the SOE to crush the strikes, Kamla said the other day that unions still allowed to protest. Civil rights haven't been removed until 9pm each night!
No FS. Your civil rights are suspended during a state of emergency. The curfew is just one aspect of the thing.....but right now boss, yuh eh have no rights.....or do you?? Ent you are still a UK citizen?? You here but you're not a citizen so you should still have your rights.....ah think......how does that work?? hhhhmmmmm..... :thinking: :thinking:
I was kinda being sarcastic about the civil rights, but Kamla definately said workers can still protest legally. As for my rights, I'm the same as you gyal, I living here!
Yeah. It would make sense that you would be subjected to the same lack of civil rights like the rest of us living here.....ah mean, if you want to play brave and venture out into the night during the curfew because you not from here, dem police and army fellas could shoot on sight and den say "oh shucks he wasn't one of us"........hhhhhhmmmmm.....yep. Bottom line stay yuh tail on lock down like de rest ah we ;D ;D
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The nights are so quiet :) no more noise
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Hoss, I just asking but what does the SOE have to do with some band of idiots sending out emails and posts on FB that their is a run on gas? The only thing I would blame them for in this instance is there lack of response and I don't know whether they responded yet or not.
The same thing happen here in the GA about 5 years ago and regardless of what the Governor in GA said, people was still panicking.... Yuh cyar stop stupidity but I understand that people eh taking no chances.
Lack of planning... think of the disruption to the lives of ordinary citizens and try to account for the unexpected. Did they make any consideration as to how the curfew (forcing more people onto the roads with less hours in the day) would affect traffic? Did they factor in the impact on emergency services in critical regions like the E-W corridoor because of traffic? Is there contingency planning for emergencies... individual emergencies forcing people onto the roads after curfew w/o a permit? National emergencies... God-forbid, resulting in mass evacuations?
Did they consider the possibility that delivery of essentials, such as gas, would be affected? These are all things that should be considered before declaration of a SoE (in my mind at least), think of how the lives of the avg. citizen will be disrupted, and try to minimize the disruption, or have contingency plans for delivery of essential services (just to reiterate what I started with)... that's what this has to do with the SoE... the rumors resulted in a disruption of services, so had there been a plan to account for such disruptions (regardless the cause, legitimate disruption or just rumors causing it), they could invoke the contingency to keep things running smooth.
It late and I kinda tired from the Ciroc in mih system... but hope that makes sense.
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When the unions accused govt of introducing the SOE to crush the strikes, Kamla said the other day that unions still allowed to protest. Civil rights haven't been removed until 9pm each night!
LOL... this getting jokier by the day. So wait, yuh could have public meetings and protests and thing, just as long as is not after 9 pm? Who does march and protest at night anyways? What about arrests, searches and seizures too... lessened requirements for each, but only after midnight? So police need a warrant to raid a coke man house during the day, but after 9 pm all they need is reasonable suspicion? So coke man could move he stash and hide it every night knowing police could kick in he door any minute... but in the day he safe?
Nah FS... ah feel yuh misunderstand dat part.... dem cyah be dat dotish.
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When the unions accused govt of introducing the SOE to crush the strikes, Kamla said the other day that unions still allowed to protest. Civil rights haven't been removed until 9pm each night!
LOL... this getting jokier by the day. So wait, yuh could have public meetings and protests and thing, just as long as is not after 9 pm? Who does march and protest at night anyways? What about arrests, searches and seizures too... lessened requirements for each, but only after midnight? So police need a warrant to raid a coke man house during the day, but after 9 pm all they need is reasonable suspicion? So coke man could move he stash and hide it every night knowing police could kick in he door any minute... but in the day he safe?
Nah FS... ah feel yuh misunderstand dat part.... dem cyah be dat dotish.
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Again, I was being sarcastic.
Kamla said unions rights to protest are not affected. Yet the anti gang legislation says that police can arrest without charge any group of 3 or more people. I think there were caveats such as being suspected of certain crimes. The point was, Kamla saying this wasn't brought in to tackle the PSA and they can continue their actions but the reality is that you would have to be crazy to take part in any organised protests while the SOE in place.
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Somebody start a rumour that Petrotrin men on strike or going to strike or had a small protest down in Pointe-a-Pierre earlier today. What ever it was, with every body jumpy and on edge with this SOE situation, all it needs is something like that for all hell to break loose.
Subsequently, NP came out saying there is no shortage but of course, that doh spread as fast as de rumour so is jam in town and all around for gas. In any event, my tank 3/4 filled so I good to go for about 2 days.....
It must be real chaos down dey boy.... I could only imagine. My question is how could there be a SOE and people having any type of protest? These people either real brave or real dotish.... Police/Military eh have tuh ask no questions tuh lock yuh up.....steups........
When the unions accused govt of introducing the SOE to crush the strikes, Kamla said the other day that unions still allowed to protest. Civil rights haven't been removed until 9pm each night!
No FS. Your civil rights are suspended during a state of emergency. The curfew is just one aspect of the thing.....but right now boss, yuh eh have no rights.....or do you?? Ent you are still a UK citizen?? You here but you're not a citizen so you should still have your rights.....ah think......how does that work?? hhhhmmmmm..... :thinking: :thinking:
I was kinda being sarcastic about the civil rights, but Kamla definately said workers can still protest legally. As for my rights, I'm the same as you gyal, I living here!
Yeah. It would make sense that you would be subjected to the same lack of civil rights like the rest of us living here.....ah mean, if you want to play brave and venture out into the night during the curfew because you not from here, dem police and army fellas could shoot on sight and den say "oh shucks he wasn't one of us"........hhhhhhmmmmm.....yep. Bottom line stay yuh tail on lock down like de rest ah we ;D ;D
Actually, I have a pass, but not used it. However, I'm seriously considering attending the EFA meeting just to see how things will go down. I also am in a cold spot, so technically I can go to Curepe, Tunapuna, Macoya, in fact all along the EMR at least to Tunapuna from St Joseph without a pass. The problem is, I don't really feel safe to do that. I mean, if theres no curfew and all the police are in the hot spots, maybe bandits moving around too?
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Somebody start a rumour that Petrotrin men on strike or going to strike or had a small protest down in Pointe-a-Pierre earlier today. What ever it was, with every body jumpy and on edge with this SOE situation, all it needs is something like that for all hell to break loose.
Subsequently, NP came out saying there is no shortage but of course, that doh spread as fast as de rumour so is jam in town and all around for gas. In any event, my tank 3/4 filled so I good to go for about 2 days.....
It must be real chaos down dey boy.... I could only imagine. My question is how could there be a SOE and people having any type of protest? These people either real brave or real dotish.... Police/Military eh have tuh ask no questions tuh lock yuh up.....steups........
When the unions accused govt of introducing the SOE to crush the strikes, Kamla said the other day that unions still allowed to protest. Civil rights haven't been removed until 9pm each night!
No FS. Your civil rights are suspended during a state of emergency. The curfew is just one aspect of the thing.....but right now boss, yuh eh have no rights.....or do you?? Ent you are still a UK citizen?? You here but you're not a citizen so you should still have your rights.....ah think......how does that work?? hhhhmmmmm..... :thinking: :thinking:
I was kinda being sarcastic about the civil rights, but Kamla definately said workers can still protest legally. As for my rights, I'm the same as you gyal, I living here!
Yeah. It would make sense that you would be subjected to the same lack of civil rights like the rest of us living here.....ah mean, if you want to play brave and venture out into the night during the curfew because you not from here, dem police and army fellas could shoot on sight and den say "oh shucks he wasn't one of us"........hhhhhhmmmmm.....yep. Bottom line stay yuh tail on lock down like de rest ah we ;D ;D
Actually, I have a pass, but not used it. However, I'm seriously considering attending the EFA meeting just to see how things will go down. I also am in a cold spot, so technically I can go to Curepe, Tunapuna, Macoya, in fact all along the EMR at least to Tunapuna from St Joseph without a pass. The problem is, I don't really feel safe to do that. I mean, if theres no curfew and all the police are in the hot spots, maybe bandits moving around too?
this is one area i don't understand why it wasn't locked down, it has so many bandits from champs fleurs to st augustine, its not even funny, the back of puna, known as the zone is basically a war zone at times, but no lock down :D
even up in maracus valley, real gun men, but no lock down lol that is the big mistake the govt made in not implementing a curfew in these areas
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Somebody start a rumour that Petrotrin men on strike or going to strike or had a small protest down in Pointe-a-Pierre earlier today. What ever it was, with every body jumpy and on edge with this SOE situation, all it needs is something like that for all hell to break loose.
Subsequently, NP came out saying there is no shortage but of course, that doh spread as fast as de rumour so is jam in town and all around for gas. In any event, my tank 3/4 filled so I good to go for about 2 days.....
It must be real chaos down dey boy.... I could only imagine. My question is how could there be a SOE and people having any type of protest? These people either real brave or real dotish.... Police/Military eh have tuh ask no questions tuh lock yuh up.....steups........
When the unions accused govt of introducing the SOE to crush the strikes, Kamla said the other day that unions still allowed to protest. Civil rights haven't been removed until 9pm each night!
No FS. Your civil rights are suspended during a state of emergency. The curfew is just one aspect of the thing.....but right now boss, yuh eh have no rights.....or do you?? Ent you are still a UK citizen?? You here but you're not a citizen so you should still have your rights.....ah think......how does that work?? hhhhmmmmm..... :thinking: :thinking:
I was kinda being sarcastic about the civil rights, but Kamla definately said workers can still protest legally. As for my rights, I'm the same as you gyal, I living here!
Yeah. It would make sense that you would be subjected to the same lack of civil rights like the rest of us living here.....ah mean, if you want to play brave and venture out into the night during the curfew because you not from here, dem police and army fellas could shoot on sight and den say "oh shucks he wasn't one of us"........hhhhhhmmmmm.....yep. Bottom line stay yuh tail on lock down like de rest ah we ;D ;D
Actually, I have a pass, but not used it. However, I'm seriously considering attending the EFA meeting just to see how things will go down. I also am in a cold spot, so technically I can go to Curepe, Tunapuna, Macoya, in fact all along the EMR at least to Tunapuna from St Joseph without a pass. The problem is, I don't really feel safe to do that. I mean, if theres no curfew and all the police are in the hot spots, maybe bandits moving around too?
this is one area i don't understand why it wasn't locked down, it has so many bandits from champs fleurs to st augustine, its not even funny, the back of puna, known as the zone is basically a war zone at times, but no lock down :D
even up in maracus valley, real gun men, but no lock down lol that is the big mistake the govt made in not implementing a curfew in these areas
As I've said before, Curepe and Tunapuna surprised me.
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Again, I was being sarcastic.
Kamla said unions rights to protest are not affected. Yet the anti gang legislation says that police can arrest without charge any group of 3 or more people. I think there were caveats such as being suspected of certain crimes. The point was, Kamla saying this wasn't brought in to tackle the PSA and they can continue their actions but the reality is that you would have to be crazy to take part in any organised protests while the SOE in place.
Whether you were being sarcastic or not... Kamla has to be mixed with foolish to say that union activity is exempt when the letter of the law reads that you cannot have any public meeting, organization or protests without permission from the CoP. So is she saying that if they apply for a protest permit it will be rubber stamped?
I doubt it. I guess just like she said this was a "limited" state of emergency when there is no limited state of emergency. Stunning in her ineptitude.
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WHile I am against the typical "mis-speaks" from this PP Government, I hope that they accomplish something and get some ah dese bastards off de damn streets eh.
I really hope that they get some gang men and lock dem up for life...I really hope that they make ah diffrence with the crime...seriously.
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WHile I am against the typical "mis-speaks" from this PP Government, I hope that they accomplish something and get some ah dese bastards off de damn streets eh.
I really hope that they get some gang men and lock dem up for life...I really hope that they make ah diffrence with the crime...seriously.
Why would they want to do that ? when these gangsters working hand in hand wid politicians, high ranking police officials, big businessmen, custom officers and even big wigs in the judicial system, it's like every body have their hands in the cookie jar and dem cookies sweet for days.
what's in it for them ? yuh eh see big money mekin. IMO this whole SOE is nothing but smoke screens, it's all shenanigans. lemme tell yuh , drug money sweet tooo fackin bad, we dun! face it. it's too late.
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Was the murders of 11 people in 4 days anything to do with the massive find of drugs prior to the slaughter,it seems that way and if so the SOE is the best option.Who knows how many more was in for the bullet in the head or the cutlash.
You have yuh head so far up your ass it eh funny nah!
The SOE is shit until a plan is articulated, some emasure of measurables and deliverables!
Odderwise is shit!
So what is your alternative Mr.Smart Ass Trinity Cross,allow the criminals another week of happy shooting and killing.Now keep your ugly face outta my arse coz it seems that you are stuck behind me like a sick ass stalker.What a character you are yuh so full ah hate.Kerry yuh rassclart.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/KYC-X8K2j4c
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WHile I am against the typical "mis-speaks" from this PP Government, I hope that they accomplish something and get some ah dese bastards off de damn streets eh.
I really hope that they get some gang men and lock dem up for life...I really hope that they make ah diffrence with the crime...seriously.
Yeah. ....despite all the mis-speaks and lack of planning, incompetence and just plain stupidity it doh change the fact that man want to see some idiots get they ass lockup....BUT.....how the ass just having an SOE making that more possible is beyond me. All go happen is they holding people who they feel is badman and couldn't prove it before and then will be forced to let them go in the end, because just declaring SOE still doesn't prove any crime. Nothing can substitute for just plain old good police work. This whole facking exercise is bullshit.
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So I goin way weekend and went 4 meh permit. I call meh local police station they say walk wit meh documents 2 forms of ID and u good 2 go.
Reach d station only 2 hear that I have 2 write a letter. Is a good ting I always have paper in meh bag. So ah write d letter go by d Chief Clerk and ah get meh permit. It state meh car number and it is only 2 and from Piarco.
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CURFEW EVERYWHERE
Gibbs: I will ask again that all citizens obey
By Akile Simon
COMMISSIONER of Police Dwayne Gibbs yesterday stated that the entire country is under curfew restrictions during the specified period of 9 p.m. to 5 a.m.
This contradicts statements made by National Security Minister Brigadier John Sandy and Attorney General Anand Ramlogan.
On Tuesday at a news briefing at the National Security Ministry on Abercromby Street, Port of Spain, Sandy and Ramlogan said that citizens living in communities in which there are no curfew restrictions are free to go about their business.
Sandy had stated that persons who live outside the curfew zones were free to congregate on the roadways, and even have parties in their communities, once they conform to the rule of law.
He explained, "If you live in Tunapuna and Tunapuna is not part of the areas under curfew, and you want to leave your home, let's say to go El Dorado Road, to walk down to the Main Road to have a beer, absolutely nothing is wrong with that because that area is not under curfew.
"For instance, if you're in a community and you want to have a street party in your community, and it's outside of the area of the curfew, you can do that. It's outside in the streets and it's within that area; but if you venture out and into areas where there is curfew, then you're breaking the law."
Ramlogan had stated that persons were free to about their business as usual and "outside of curfew areas, life goes on as usual."
But yesterday, when Gibbs was told by the Express that police officers have continued to impose curfew restrictions in several communities which are not listed under the Emergency Powers Curfew Order 2011, Gibbs said as far as he was aware, the curfew restrictions apply throughout the country.
Curfew restrictions went into effect in four regional corporations and two cities on Monday from 9 p.m. to 5 a.m., and the order was signed by Deputy Commissioner of Police Stephen Williams. Williams was at the time acting as CoP while Gibbs was on official police business in Brazil over the weekend.
Gibbs spoke yesterday with members of the media after a sod turning ceremony for the new Arima Police Station which will cost $35 million.
Told by the Express that the actions of the police could amount to an abuse of power and a breach of person's constitutional rights, Gibbs didn't agree .
He said, "State of emergency includes those curfew restrictions. Well again, the curfew extends throughout Trinidad and Tobago under the state of emergency. We are more heavily focused on certain areas. I will ask again that all citizens obey the curfew, all citizens follow the directions of the police officers and the law enforcement officials when they are in their areas".
Told that the statement from Sandy and Ramlogan contradicts his own, Gibbs maintained his position that the curfew restrictions will be enforced throughout the country.
Regarding allegations of excessive force and an abuse of power being employed by police officers in the Beetham Gardens and Maloney yesterday, Gibbs said such actions will not be tolerated, but also called on citizens to cooperate with law enforcement officials.
He said: "One of the things we have been looking at is that we have been given special powers of arrest, seizure and search because of the state of emergency. One of the things we did talk about yesterday was that this doesn't provide any type of opportunity for abuse to citizens. That won't be tolerated.
"But we are asking the cooperation of all the citizens that when we come into their homes, their offices, when we are dealing with them to basically listen to what we ask and cooperate and that way it prevents any type of misinterpretation and allows us to do the job that we need to do without people getting hurt, people getting their property damaged," Gibbs said.
Gibbs added he was satisfied with the results so far and commended the officers for their hard and diligent work.
"We have had some good gains in terms of the arrest of some people that would have been picked up, are definitely people of some interest for the police and its our intent to start breaking down and displacing the different gangs and the different organised pieces," Gibbs said.
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So I goin way weekend and went 4 meh permit. I call meh local police station they say walk wit meh documents 2 forms of ID and u good 2 go.
Reach d station only 2 hear that I have 2 write a letter. Is a good ting I always have paper in meh bag. So ah write d letter go by d Chief Clerk and ah get meh permit. It state meh car number and it is only 2 and from Piarco.
Thanks for the info, I did not know about the letter part :beermug:
I have to drop off and pick up the wife at the airport during curfew hours...
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So I goin way weekend and went 4 meh permit. I call meh local police station they say walk wit meh documents 2 forms of ID and u good 2 go.
Reach d station only 2 hear that I have 2 write a letter. Is a good ting I always have paper in meh bag. So ah write d letter go by d Chief Clerk and ah get meh permit. It state meh car number and it is only 2 and from Piarco.
Thanks for the info, I did not know about the letter part :beermug:
I have to drop off and pick up the wife at the airport during curfew hours...
No probs dat is y I post it.
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Kamla Persad Bissessar
"Some of you may be concerned about foreign image, I say I am more concerned by the images of my people dying, of mothers crying, of innocent citizens living in fear, of orphaned children. Those are the images that concern me right here in our land, Trinidad and Tobago. We cannot pretend there is no problem. We can take the tough decisions to bring about a solution"
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Kamla Persad Bissessar
"Some of you may be concerned about foreign image, I say I am more concerned by the images of my people dying, of mothers crying, of innocent citizens living in fear, of orphaned children. Those are the images that concern me right here in our land, Trinidad and Tobago. We cannot pretend there is no problem. We can take the tough decisions to bring about a solution"
SOUNDING GOOD kAMLA D PR MACHINERY WUKIN
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Kamla Persad Bissessar
"Some of you may be concerned about foreign image, I say I am more concerned by the images of my people dying, of mothers crying, of innocent citizens living in fear, of orphaned children. Those are the images that concern me right here in our land, Trinidad and Tobago. We cannot pretend there is no problem. We can take the tough decisions to bring about a solution"
What the f**k is dis... another 'Daniel Decree'?? Get the f**k outta here.
First was "limited state of emergency" followed by, "well, is really state of emergency everywhere... just limited curfew in hotspots." Now de latest is Anand and Sandy saying "limited curfew"... Gibbs saying curfew everywhere. The lack of a unified voice is yet another indictment of the slipshod, half-assed, make it up as you go decision-making surrounding this whole thing.
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CURFEW EVERYWHERE
Gibbs: I will ask again that all citizens obey
By Akile Simon
COMMISSIONER of Police Dwayne Gibbs yesterday stated that the entire country is under curfew restrictions during the specified period of 9 p.m. to 5 a.m.
This contradicts statements made by National Security Minister Brigadier John Sandy and Attorney General Anand Ramlogan.
On Tuesday at a news briefing at the National Security Ministry on Abercromby Street, Port of Spain, Sandy and Ramlogan said that citizens living in communities in which there are no curfew restrictions are free to go about their business.
Sandy had stated that persons who live outside the curfew zones were free to congregate on the roadways, and even have parties in their communities, once they conform to the rule of law.
He explained, "If you live in Tunapuna and Tunapuna is not part of the areas under curfew, and you want to leave your home, let's say to go El Dorado Road, to walk down to the Main Road to have a beer, absolutely nothing is wrong with that because that area is not under curfew.
"For instance, if you're in a community and you want to have a street party in your community, and it's outside of the area of the curfew, you can do that. It's outside in the streets and it's within that area; but if you venture out and into areas where there is curfew, then you're breaking the law."
Ramlogan had stated that persons were free to about their business as usual and "outside of curfew areas, life goes on as usual."
But yesterday, when Gibbs was told by the Express that police officers have continued to impose curfew restrictions in several communities which are not listed under the Emergency Powers Curfew Order 2011, Gibbs said as far as he was aware, the curfew restrictions apply throughout the country.
Curfew restrictions went into effect in four regional corporations and two cities on Monday from 9 p.m. to 5 a.m., and the order was signed by Deputy Commissioner of Police Stephen Williams. Williams was at the time acting as CoP while Gibbs was on official police business in Brazil over the weekend.
Gibbs spoke yesterday with members of the media after a sod turning ceremony for the new Arima Police Station which will cost $35 million.
Told by the Express that the actions of the police could amount to an abuse of power and a breach of person's constitutional rights, Gibbs didn't agree .
He said, "State of emergency includes those curfew restrictions. Well again, the curfew extends throughout Trinidad and Tobago under the state of emergency. We are more heavily focused on certain areas. I will ask again that all citizens obey the curfew, all citizens follow the directions of the police officers and the law enforcement officials when they are in their areas".
Told that the statement from Sandy and Ramlogan contradicts his own, Gibbs maintained his position that the curfew restrictions will be enforced throughout the country.
Regarding allegations of excessive force and an abuse of power being employed by police officers in the Beetham Gardens and Maloney yesterday, Gibbs said such actions will not be tolerated, but also called on citizens to cooperate with law enforcement officials.
He said: "One of the things we have been looking at is that we have been given special powers of arrest, seizure and search because of the state of emergency. One of the things we did talk about yesterday was that this doesn't provide any type of opportunity for abuse to citizens. That won't be tolerated.
"But we are asking the cooperation of all the citizens that when we come into their homes, their offices, when we are dealing with them to basically listen to what we ask and cooperate and that way it prevents any type of misinterpretation and allows us to do the job that we need to do without people getting hurt, people getting their property damaged," Gibbs said.
Gibbs added he was satisfied with the results so far and commended the officers for their hard and diligent work.
"We have had some good gains in terms of the arrest of some people that would have been picked up, are definitely people of some interest for the police and its our intent to start breaking down and displacing the different gangs and the different organised pieces," Gibbs said.
So, we still don't know if the curfew applies outside the hotspots? They still not making it clear. Why announce hot spots if the whole coutry is affected. What is the difference between a hot spot and a cold spot? (apart from 30 degrees lol)
Somebody in govt has to to make a statement explaining the agreed position.
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Kamla Persad Bissessar
"Some of you may be concerned about foreign image, I say I am more concerned by the images of my people dying, of mothers crying, of innocent citizens living in fear, of orphaned children. Those are the images that concern me right here in our land, Trinidad and Tobago. We cannot pretend there is no problem. We can take the tough decisions to bring about a solution"
What the f**k is dis... another 'Daniel Decree'?? Get the f**k outta here.
First was "limited state of emergency" followed by, "well, is really state of emergency everywhere... just limited curfew in hotspots." Now de latest is Anand and Sandy saying "limited curfew"... Gibbs saying curfew everywhere. The lack of a unified voice is yet another indictment of the slipshod, half-assed, make it up as you go decision-making surrounding this whole thing.
Yeah, Bakes, but think of the lil chirren boy, the lil orphans :praying: :praying:
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@astewart42 (http://twitter.com/astewart42) Boasting about a reduction in crime during a State of Emergency is like gloating about losing weight during a famine...
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@astewart42 (http://twitter.com/astewart42) Boasting about a reduction in crime during a State of Emergency is like gloating about losing weight during a famine...
AH GO HAVE 2 TIEF THAT 1
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@astewart42 (http://twitter.com/astewart42) Boasting about a reduction in crime during a State of Emergency is like gloating about losing weight during a famine...
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@astewart42 (http://twitter.com/astewart42) Boasting about a reduction in crime during a State of Emergency is like gloating about losing weight during a famine...
Big post.
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@astewart42 (http://twitter.com/astewart42) Boasting about a reduction in crime during a State of Emergency is like gloating about losing weight during a famine...
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Ah tell allyuh Trinis are the bess yes!! :rotfl:
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@astewart42 (http://twitter.com/astewart42) Boasting about a reduction in crime during a State of Emergency is like gloating about losing weight during a famine...
Flawless
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@astewart42 (http://twitter.com/astewart42) Boasting about a reduction in crime during a State of Emergency is like gloating about losing weight during a famine...
^^^^ This...... WIN!!
Ah huffing that.
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I'm starting to hear rumours that the SOE could be extended for up to 3 months. Anyone heard anything about this? Obviously, the rumour factory is working overtime, but I cannot believe they will extend it. I'm going stir crazy already!!
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I'm starting to hear rumours that the SOE could be extended for up to 3 months. Anyone heard anything about this? Obviously, the rumour factory is working overtime, but I cannot believe they will extend it. I'm going stir crazy already!!
Apparently it’s all about getting the year to year crime figures down so the PP government can look good!
If fewer people are allowed to leave their homes at night then fewer crimes will be committed, never mind most of the recent crimes leading to them calling the SOE were committed in broad daylight!
If this curfew has the effect of bringing down the year to year crime figures then I believe this government is short enough of real ideas to fight crime to entertain extending it!
We’ll have to wait and see!
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I'm starting to hear rumours that the SOE could be extended for up to 3 months. Anyone heard anything about this? Obviously, the rumour factory is working overtime, but I cannot believe they will extend it. I'm going stir crazy already!!
TNT is d land of humour and rumour so wait till d 5th Sep 2 hear what happening.
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Wow!!! Leadership still double talking on what is actually in place? Very sad.
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@astewart42 (http://twitter.com/astewart42) Boasting about a reduction in crime during a State of Emergency is like gloating about losing weight during a famine...
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Nnnnnooooooooooo!!!!! Ooooohhhhh gaaarrrddddoooooyyyyeeeee!!!!! Ah weeeeeeeeaaaaakkkkkk!!!!!!..... :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Take win TM, perfect caption for the the funnies
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Big drug lord arrested in Tobago.
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Big drug lord arrested in Tobago.
big as in fat?
saw aboud on tv talkin about needing FBI, CIA etc to weed out big fish. also noticed he couldnt make sustained eye contact while saying it....
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Big drug lord arrested in Tobago.
big as in fat?
saw aboud on tv talkin about needing FBI, CIA etc to weed out big fish. also noticed he couldnt make sustained eye contact while saying it....
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noticed he couldnt make sustained eye contact while saying it....
Same goes for all government ministers
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Allyuh check this take on the Lock Down
I dunno how to embed so:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AmAfYImfDA&feature=player_embedded
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It is logical to assume that the proclamation of a State of Emergency had more to do with preventing National Industrial Action.
Given the smoke screens perpetrated by this Government to avert attention away from their constant missteps in the past...who can forget the shenanigans around the Reshmi fiasco, The Nizam Mohammad debacle, etc. etc. Why is beyond the pale to assume that this SoE is merely another distraction?
Why is a State of Emergency, and the abrogation of civil liberties essential to capture KNOWN bad guys, gang leaders, and other malignant members of society?
How is it that suddenly the police can now find and cart of persons known to them? Persons with outstanding warrants etc.?
I find it inherently strange and incredulous that Government says it requires a state of emergency to catch and arrest bandits.
Is that true?
According to the Attorney General, The Minister of National Security and the Honourable Prime Minister it is so!
They claim that this State of Emergency is essential, that in order for the protective arms of government to function effectively, we need complete abrogation of civil rights and liberties for them to be successful at catching criminal elements.
What a crocus bag of ass talk that is!
Their story does not make sense, and while law abiding citizens welcome the arrest and removal of criminals from our streets, we should not take lightly any government that responds to criticism in a knee jerk fashion.
Just a day before the imposition of this SoE, the Head of Government Business in the House, Dr. Moonilal stated he saw no need for a State of Emergency, only for one to be forced upon us by an unthinking Cabinet.
This shows a government wilting under pressure to fulfill a promise that they have a plan (within 120 days of coming into power) that cause a reduced crime rate, that they will improve the economy, and favorably and justifiably deal with labour issues.
This is another case of the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing.
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@astewart42 (http://twitter.com/astewart42) Boasting about a reduction in crime during a State of Emergency is like gloating about losing weight during a famine...
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Ah tell allyuh Trinis are the bess yes!! :rotfl:
Agreed. Trinis always seem to have a unique way with words.
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Big drug lord arrested in Tobago.
big as in fat?
saw aboud on tv talkin about needing FBI, CIA etc to weed out big fish. also noticed he couldnt make sustained eye contact while saying it....
chuckle chuckle chuckle
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I MISSPOKE
Gibbs on statement that all of T&T under curfew:
By Akile Simon
COMMISSIONER of Police Dwayne Gibbs yesterday admitted that he misspoke when he stated that the entire country was under curfew restrictions from 9 p.m. to 5 a.m.
Gibbs was criticised by several radio talk-show hosts and members of the public yesterday, as his statement contradicted those of National Security Minister Brigadier John Sandy and Attorney General Anand Ramlogan.
On Tuesday, at a news briefing at the National Security Ministry in Port of Spain, Sandy and Ramlogan said citizens living in communities in which there are no curfew restrictions were free to go about their business.
Sandy stated that persons who live outside the curfew zones were free to congregate on the roadways, and even have parties in their communities, once they conform to the rule of law.
However, when Gibbs was told by the Express on Wednesday that police officers have continued to impose curfew restrictions in several communities which are not listed under the Emergency Powers Curfew Order 2011, Gibbs said as far as he was aware, the curfew restrictions apply throughout the country.
The Express yesterday published Gibbs's statement as its lead story, headlined "Curfew Everywhere".
The Police Service Public Affairs Unit and the Ministry of National Security immediately reacted to the story, stating that the curfew was in effect in the six identified areas.
The release issued by the Ministry of National Security stated: "The current state of emergency applies to the national community. The 9 p.m. to 5 a.m. curfew, however, is applied only to those areas identified as "hot spots" within the municipal corporation areas, including Port of Spain, San Fernando, Arima, Chaguanas, San Juan/Laventille and Diego Martin."
The release from the Public Affairs Unit of the Police Service stated: "Statements attributed to the Commissioner of Police in the media have created some confusion regarding the state of emergency and the curfew hours now imposed.
"Kindly note that the Curfew Order 2011 proclaimed by the President for the imposition of the state of emergency, states that the order is for Trinidad and Tobago and not just Trinidad."
The statement went on to list the areas under curfew restrictions.
Speaking at yesterday's joint post-Cabinet news conference at the Prime Minister's St Clair office, Commissioner Gibbs said he misspoke when he stated that curfew restrictions are to be enforced throughout the county.
Gibbs said: "I want to start by talking about my comments yesterday (Wednesday) to the media and obviously I misspoke yesterday.
"My intent was to say the state of emergency was throughout Trinidad and Tobago, with of course specific areas that have been identified and published already in the newspapers as far as areas, already where curfews will be held.
"...We are asking for cooperation of all citizens to honour that curfew. Even if they are not in those specific areas, it makes it easier for the Police Service and the protective service agencies to do their work and to do it in a fair manner that's going to affect safety and security of all citizens of Trinidad and Tobago," Gibbs said.
Editor's note: The curfew order was signed by acting Police Commissioner Stephen Williams and not proclaimed by the President, as stated in the Police Service Public Affairs Unit's press release.
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I MISSPOKE
Gibbs on statement that all of T&T under curfew:
By Akile Simon
COMMISSIONER of Police Dwayne Gibbs yesterday admitted that he misspoke when he stated that the entire country was under curfew restrictions from 9 p.m. to 5 a.m.
Gibbs was criticised by several radio talk-show hosts and members of the public yesterday, as his statement contradicted those of National Security Minister Brigadier John Sandy and Attorney General Anand Ramlogan.
On Tuesday, at a news briefing at the National Security Ministry in Port of Spain, Sandy and Ramlogan said citizens living in communities in which there are no curfew restrictions were free to go about their business.
Sandy stated that persons who live outside the curfew zones were free to congregate on the roadways, and even have parties in their communities, once they conform to the rule of law.
However, when Gibbs was told by the Express on Wednesday that police officers have continued to impose curfew restrictions in several communities which are not listed under the Emergency Powers Curfew Order 2011, Gibbs said as far as he was aware, the curfew restrictions apply throughout the country.
The Express yesterday published Gibbs's statement as its lead story, headlined "Curfew Everywhere".
The Police Service Public Affairs Unit and the Ministry of National Security immediately reacted to the story, stating that the curfew was in effect in the six identified areas.
The release issued by the Ministry of National Security stated: "The current state of emergency applies to the national community. The 9 p.m. to 5 a.m. curfew, however, is applied only to those areas identified as "hot spots" within the municipal corporation areas, including Port of Spain, San Fernando, Arima, Chaguanas, San Juan/Laventille and Diego Martin."
The release from the Public Affairs Unit of the Police Service stated: "Statements attributed to the Commissioner of Police in the media have created some confusion regarding the state of emergency and the curfew hours now imposed.
"Kindly note that the Curfew Order 2011 proclaimed by the President for the imposition of the state of emergency, states that the order is for Trinidad and Tobago and not just Trinidad."
The statement went on to list the areas under curfew restrictions.
Speaking at yesterday's joint post-Cabinet news conference at the Prime Minister's St Clair office, Commissioner Gibbs said he misspoke when he stated that curfew restrictions are to be enforced throughout the county.
Gibbs said: "I want to start by talking about my comments yesterday (Wednesday) to the media and obviously I misspoke yesterday.
"My intent was to say the state of emergency was throughout Trinidad and Tobago, with of course specific areas that have been identified and published already in the newspapers as far as areas, already where curfews will be held.
"...We are asking for cooperation of all citizens to honour that curfew. Even if they are not in those specific areas, it makes it easier for the Police Service and the protective service agencies to do their work and to do it in a fair manner that's going to affect safety and security of all citizens of Trinidad and Tobago," Gibbs said.
Editor's note: The curfew order was signed by acting Police Commissioner Stephen Williams and not proclaimed by the President, as stated in the Police Service Public Affairs Unit's press release.
500+ words on about 5. hmmmmmm ... daiz where we reach :-\
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It is logical to assume that the proclamation of a State of Emergency had more to do with preventing National Industrial Action.
Given the smoke screens perpetrated by this Government to avert attention away from their constant missteps in the past...who can forget the shenanigans around the Reshmi fiasco, The Nizam Mohammad debacle, etc. etc. Why is beyond the pale to assume that this SoE is merely another distraction?
Why is a State of Emergency, and the abrogation of civil liberties essential to capture KNOWN bad guys, gang leaders, and other malignant members of society?
How is it that suddenly the police can now find and cart of persons known to them? Persons with outstanding warrants etc.?
I find it inherently strange and incredulous that Government says it requires a state of emergency to catch and arrest bandits.
Is that true?
According to the Attorney General, The Minister of National Security and the Honourable Prime Minister it is so!
They claim that this State of Emergency is essential, that in order for the protective arms of government to function effectively, we need complete abrogation of civil rights and liberties for them to be successful at catching criminal elements.
What a crocus bag of ass talk that is!
Their story does not make sense, and while law abiding citizens welcome the arrest and removal of criminals from our streets, we should not take lightly any government that responds to criticism in a knee jerk fashion.
Just a day before the imposition of this SoE, the Head of Government Business in the House, Dr. Moonilal stated he saw no need for a State of Emergency, only for one to be forced upon us by an unthinking Cabinet.
This shows a government wilting under pressure to fulfill a promise that they have a plan (within 120 days of coming into power) that cause a reduced crime rate, that they will improve the economy, and favorably and justifiably deal with labour issues.
This is another case of the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing.
:beermug: Precisamente!
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I was to ask this question awhile back. With the SOE, if people have to work a night shift, they have to get permission to go to work if u in the restriction zones?
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I was to ask this question awhile back. With the SOE, if people have to work a night shift, they have to get permission to go to work if u in the restriction zones?
They can't work. Businesses have to close.
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I was to ask this question awhile back. With the SOE, if people have to work a night shift, they have to get permission to go to work if u in the restriction zones?
They can't work. Businesses have to close.
As a friend told me yday dey was running d economy wit d handbrakes up now dey switch of d car.
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I was to ask this question awhile back. With the SOE, if people have to work a night shift, they have to get permission to go to work if u in the restriction zones?
Some businesses that rely on shift labor have adjusted their shift hours.. For example, i know bank security and operations normally runs 3 shifts, 6-2, 2-10, 10-6.. They have now changed that to two 6am-6pm shifts to provide coverage during the curfew hours. Costly because that is 4 hours OT to be paid per person on each shift, so i guess they move around personnel from each shift to suit..
Many non-essential shift-based businesses close early and adjust down to one or two shifts and move around staff according.
It is logical to assume that the proclamation of a State of Emergency had more to do with preventing National Industrial Action.
Given the smoke screens perpetrated by this Government to avert attention away from their constant missteps in the past...who can forget the shenanigans around the Reshmi fiasco, The Nizam Mohammad debacle, etc. etc. Why is beyond the pale to assume that this SoE is merely another distraction?
Why is a State of Emergency, and the abrogation of civil liberties essential to capture KNOWN bad guys, gang leaders, and other malignant members of society?
How is it that suddenly the police can now find and cart of persons known to them? Persons with outstanding warrants etc.?
I find it inherently strange and incredulous that Government says it requires a state of emergency to catch and arrest bandits.
Is that true?
According to the Attorney General, The Minister of National Security and the Honourable Prime Minister it is so!
They claim that this State of Emergency is essential, that in order for the protective arms of government to function effectively, we need complete abrogation of civil rights and liberties for them to be successful at catching criminal elements.
What a crocus bag of ass talk that is!
Their story does not make sense, and while law abiding citizens welcome the arrest and removal of criminals from our streets, we should not take lightly any government that responds to criticism in a knee jerk fashion.
Just a day before the imposition of this SoE, the Head of Government Business in the House, Dr. Moonilal stated he saw no need for a State of Emergency, only for one to be forced upon us by an unthinking Cabinet.
This shows a government wilting under pressure to fulfill a promise that they have a plan (within 120 days of coming into power) that cause a reduced crime rate, that they will improve the economy, and favorably and justifiably deal with labour issues.
This is another case of the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing.
This is entirely plausible and not far-fetched... Lets wait and see.
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I was to ask this question awhile back. With the SOE, if people have to work a night shift, they have to get permission to go to work if u in the restriction zones?
Some businesses that rely on shift labor have adjusted their shift hours.. For example, i know bank security and operations normally runs 3 shifts, 6-2, 2-10, 10-6.. They have now changed that to two 6am-6pm shifts to provide coverage during the curfew hours. Costly because that is 4 hours OT to be paid per person on each shift, so i guess they move around personnel from each shift to suit..
Many non-essential shift-based businesses close early and adjust down to one or two shifts and move around staff according.
It is logical to assume that the proclamation of a State of Emergency had more to do with preventing National Industrial Action.
Given the smoke screens perpetrated by this Government to avert attention away from their constant missteps in the past...who can forget the shenanigans around the Reshmi fiasco, The Nizam Mohammad debacle, etc. etc. Why is beyond the pale to assume that this SoE is merely another distraction?
Why is a State of Emergency, and the abrogation of civil liberties essential to capture KNOWN bad guys, gang leaders, and other malignant members of society?
How is it that suddenly the police can now find and cart of persons known to them? Persons with outstanding warrants etc.?
I find it inherently strange and incredulous that Government says it requires a state of emergency to catch and arrest bandits.
Is that true?
According to the Attorney General, The Minister of National Security and the Honourable Prime Minister it is so!
They claim that this State of Emergency is essential, that in order for the protective arms of government to function effectively, we need complete abrogation of civil rights and liberties for them to be successful at catching criminal elements.
What a crocus bag of ass talk that is!
Their story does not make sense, and while law abiding citizens welcome the arrest and removal of criminals from our streets, we should not take lightly any government that responds to criticism in a knee jerk fashion.
Just a day before the imposition of this SoE, the Head of Government Business in the House, Dr. Moonilal stated he saw no need for a State of Emergency, only for one to be forced upon us by an unthinking Cabinet.
This shows a government wilting under pressure to fulfill a promise that they have a plan (within 120 days of coming into power) that cause a reduced crime rate, that they will improve the economy, and favorably and justifiably deal with labour issues.
This is another case of the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing.
This is entirely plausible and not far-fetched... Lets wait and see.
so if you running a 24/7 call center, what you have to say on the message lines...due to the SOE, we are closed have a good day! Jah! That real tuff
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I was to ask this question awhile back. With the SOE, if people have to work a night shift, they have to get permission to go to work if u in the restriction zones?
They can't work. Businesses have to close.
As a friend told me yday dey was running d economy wit d handbrakes up now dey switch of d car.
Talking about that ent budget preparations going on? I know those meetings tend to go late into the morning. I guess they have to use skype.
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I was to ask this question awhile back. With the SOE, if people have to work a night shift, they have to get permission to go to work if u in the restriction zones?
They can't work. Businesses have to close.
As a friend told me yday dey was running d economy wit d handbrakes up now dey switch of d car.
Talking about that ent budget preparations going on? I know those meetings tend to go late into the morning. I guess they have to use skype.
Good pt
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I was to ask this question awhile back. With the SOE, if people have to work a night shift, they have to get permission to go to work if u in the restriction zones?
They can't work. Businesses have to close.
As a friend told me yday dey was running d economy wit d handbrakes up now dey switch of d car.
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Look all yuh need to stop this man....this is serious thing going on here..... ;D
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So on Wednesday it was....
CURFEW EVERYWHERE
And yesterday it was....
I MISSPOKE
Attributed to the Commish.....one thing one day, ah next thing in 24 hours later......more proof that these people eh have a f^%^$*ng clue!!!
Lets wait and see.
Dinho, I like your sense of eternal optimism about this PP government ya know. I do, I really do...
Now I coulda tell yuh from since Sunday night this SOE didn't have one blasted thing to do with crime or very little. But you woulda tell mih is because I just doh like de PP. I didn't know why the SOE was implemented and I still doh know. But ah could tell yuh it has little to do with crime.
But like yuh say....let's wait and see....
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Police catch a big Grouper fish in Hyatt . I hear they have a phone that contain plenty info too
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As the Ag say the people they going after are the big, big,big fish, that sound like a whale but i still seeing sardine .
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Police catch a big Grouper fish in Hyatt . I hear they have a phone that contain plenty info too
Cyar wait for news to start....
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so if you running a 24/7 call center, what you have to say on the message lines...due to the SOE, we are closed have a good day! Jah! That real tuff
Nah not really. You have to adjust the times. The staff may have to work longer hours but less days. They will have to bring extra food and underwear(in case of extreme emergency). Of course they will have to get double time pay. I work in a 24/hr operation for about 10 yrs. There has been at least one person in here every min. of the day in them 10 yrs.
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travelling on the bus route heading west this evening and BIG roadblock by Bangldesh in St. Joseph. Two truckload of army personnel and about 30 police searching EVERY maxi. A big police guy came into my maxi walked down the aisle looking at each and every one of our faces. very intimidating to be honest. looked out the window and saw passengers from other maxis being rubbed down.
Im telling u, this SOE is affecting me emotionally. and I am not even joking.its affecting my psyche.
Five days after the beginning of the SOE, the government keep calling these figures of who they arrest and how much guns they find. but ALL this could have been achieved WITHOUT implementing this SOE
after five days i give them a FAIL so far. but ten more days to go, so let me see if any drastic results will be achieved.
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travelling on the bus route heading west this evening and BIG roadblock by Bangldesh in St. Joseph. Two truckload of army personnel and about 30 police searching EVERY maxi. A big police guy came into my maxi walked down the aisle looking at each and every one of our faces. very intimidating to be honest. looked out the window and saw passengers from other maxis being rubbed down.
Im telling u, this SOE is affecting me emotionally. and I am not even joking.its affecting my psyche.
Five days after the beginning of the SOE, the government keep calling these figures of who they arrest and how much guns they find. but ALL this could have been achieved WITHOUT implementing this SOE
after five days i give them a FAIL so far. but ten more days to go, so let me see if any drastic results will be achieved.
To be honest, I'd like to see more of this. I know it was a bit scary for you, Steups, but it would be scarier for the bandits. If they can't move at night, they must move by day. Addicts still need their fix, so business must continue. I'd like to see some stop and searches on the highway. Yes, it would cause big delays, but damn, if we're gonna miss two perfectly good limin weekends, lets at least get the f**kers who caused all this!
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travelling on the bus route heading west this evening and BIG roadblock by Bangldesh in St. Joseph. Two truckload of army personnel and about 30 police searching EVERY maxi. A big police guy came into my maxi walked down the aisle looking at each and every one of our faces. very intimidating to be honest. looked out the window and saw passengers from other maxis being rubbed down.
Im telling u, this SOE is affecting me emotionally. and I am not even joking.its affecting my psyche.
Five days after the beginning of the SOE, the government keep calling these figures of who they arrest and how much guns they find. but ALL this could have been achieved WITHOUT implementing this SOE
after five days i give them a FAIL so far. but ten more days to go, so let me see if any drastic results will be achieved.
he watching people in the face to see who flinching and acting nervous. They dread
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COMING SOON 2 A CINEMA NEAR U FINDING NEMO -THE SEQUEAL
THE SEARCH FOR A BIG FISH
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Anybody have any positive news. Pure facts without anti-government swing we done know they mess up. any progress on crime, crooks etc?
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Anybody have any positive news. Pure facts without anti-government swing we done know they mess up. any progress on crime, crooks etc?
Check CNMG......dey have all the positiveness yuh looking for....
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Anybody have any positive news. Pure facts without anti-government swing we done know they mess up. any progress on crime, crooks etc?
Check CNMG......dey have all the positiveness yuh looking for....
:D K thanks.
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Just checked it out. It doesn't seem to have any police or army getting killed, that's good. Collecting bandits without bloodshed is good.
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Dont think them bandits up for that nah. Them police and army rolling with some serious weapons this rounds. Plus they seem trigger happy these days. Shoot first, let God sort them out mentality.
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Police catch a big Grouper fish in Hyatt . I hear they have a phone that contain plenty info too
yuh sure it wasn't in "crown plaza"
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I'd be very interested to see the views of the relatives of the people being arrested, both now, and if they are found guilty. I have seen video of arrests, and I suppose I shouldn't be surprised to see that every person arrested is apparently innocent and "ent dun nuttin".
I'm sure, some people are innocent. I'm also sure in rare cases that relatives don't know these people are bandits. But 95% of relatives must, at least, be suspicious if their relatives are unemployed, yet buying designer clothes, expensive bling, the latest phones etc. When you live in a close knit community where there are gangs, you know the gang members. So if Akiel, who is a good boy, is spending all his time with known gang members, it seems fairly obvious that he's also in the gang.
That said, I would love to see these relatives, who are screaming out against the police, interviewed once the guy is charged and sentenced.
It can't be easy to see a loved one arrested, but in your heart, if you know he's involved in criminal activity, stop the screaming. Instead, perhaps, be apologetic to his victims, reflect on how you let this happen and have some self respect.
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Dont think them bandits up for that nah. Them police and army rolling with some serious weapons this rounds. Plus they seem trigger happy these days. Shoot first, let God sort them out mentality.
Those that pray on the innocent never up for it. It remind me of this scene
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS3QtFnBiDw
"Ever notice you come across somebody once in awhile" LOL
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travelling on the bus route heading west this evening and BIG roadblock by Bangldesh in St. Joseph. Two truckload of army personnel and about 30 police searching EVERY maxi. A big police guy came into my maxi walked down the aisle looking at each and every one of our faces. very intimidating to be honest. looked out the window and saw passengers from other maxis being rubbed down.
Im telling u, this SOE is affecting me emotionally. and I am not even joking.its affecting my psyche.
Five days after the beginning of the SOE, the government keep calling these figures of who they arrest and how much guns they find. but ALL this could have been achieved WITHOUT implementing this SOE
after five days i give them a FAIL so far. but ten more days to go, so let me see if any drastic results will be achieved.
he watching people in the face to see who flinching and acting nervous. They dread
And if yuh flinch and act nervous what dat mean? steups....
Allyuh act like allyuh doh know police in Trinidad think they's god. All ah dat intimidation shit is just part ah de gun and badge pappyshow. I fail to see the point in all of that, despite what FS saying (I swear you need to move to Russia or China where police could trample on yuh rights and yuh could thank them for it)... they easily coulda set up roadblock same way and board the maxis. Aside from that, if they know who they looking for why they eh go where they living or might be found? Maxis?
Please.
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ANAND RAMLOGAN couldn't find a piano. Do you expect him to find any REAL big fish in T&T
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ANAND RAMLOGAN couldn't find a piano. Do you expect him to find any REAL big fish in T&T
Anything is possible when the world is watching and votes in the balance. They did what was necessary to get nuff people to vote last time. It was like a dawn of a new age for T&T. :) Some big Fish will benefit all.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/rVNe8a6LlYw&feature=player_embedded
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http://www.youtube.com/v/l8Txz4p4N4E
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http://www.youtube.com/v/rVNe8a6LlYw&feature=player_embedded
Under all ole talk... them civilians real play de ass in that clip there. I don't know what transpired before or what transpired after, but based on what I see, police show real restraint. I see they telling de fella at the start to back up or whatever and he not complying... the one indian police start to push him (reasonably in my mind) and the pushing away the police hand telling him "doh push mih." I sorry... if that was in the US he woulda collect ah face plant so fast he head woulda spin. Before he know what hit him it woulda have 5 pairs ah knees in he back subduing him and putting him in cuffs.
Then the women.. lawd, what fine upstanding ladies they are. Haranguing the police and when they finally move in to arrest the queen troublemaker she start to resist and the others surrounding the police and interfering, talking about "whey allyuh arressin' de gyurl for??" Up here police woulda shove dem so hard they woulda land on the back ah dey head.
Not saying that US law enforcement is some paradiggem of professionalism... but police have a job to do and you have to comply. There's a time and place for protesting and guffin up... neither was present in that video.
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As for the second video... I didn't know much about Fitzgerald Hinds before, but man... I really like dis fella. Smart, articulate and absolutely on-point. He make some really nice points about the fact that they claiming these big numbers of arrest, but none of the arrests are being done under the emergency powers (to date), pointing to the fact that they could have done this all along w/o the state of emergency.
Secondly, they arresting these men under the anti-gang law by circumventing the purpose of the law. Rather than to target gang members, they 'roundsing' up whoever they want and waiting to sort shark from snapper from guppy later on... without even a care as to whether it have ole shoe or tire ketch in de net too (as I stated earlier). They seemingly going not after the quality of the haul, but the gross weight of what in the net. Four months hence, after a lull in crime has artificially and superficially been effected (assuming that genuine criminals are also caught up), they likely will be forced to release many if not most of these men. Then we will see that many innocent men just do a four-months fuh nutten... and the real criminals go back home to continue their life of crime. The non-critical, unwashed masses in central and South go proclaim the SoE a success of their government and TnT will be none the better for it.
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travelling on the bus route heading west this evening and BIG roadblock by Bangldesh in St. Joseph. Two truckload of army personnel and about 30 police searching EVERY maxi. A big police guy came into my maxi walked down the aisle looking at each and every one of our faces. very intimidating to be honest. looked out the window and saw passengers from other maxis being rubbed down.
Im telling u, this SOE is affecting me emotionally. and I am not even joking.its affecting my psyche.
Five days after the beginning of the SOE, the government keep calling these figures of who they arrest and how much guns they find. but ALL this could have been achieved WITHOUT implementing this SOE
after five days i give them a FAIL so far. but ten more days to go, so let me see if any drastic results will be achieved.
he watching people in the face to see who flinching and acting nervous. They dread
And if yuh flinch and act nervous what dat mean? steups....
Allyuh act like allyuh doh know police in Trinidad think they's god. All ah dat intimidation shit is just part ah de gun and badge pappyshow. I fail to see the point in all of that, despite what FS saying (I swear you need to move to Russia or China where police could trample on yuh rights and yuh could thank them for it)... they easily coulda set up roadblock same way and board the maxis. Aside from that, if they know who they looking for why they eh go where they living or might be found? Maxis?
Please.
I know we don't see eye to eye on civil rights, but Bakes, you think these guys will be sitting at home at the addresses they're known to reside? These guys will be moving in the daytime so that when the raid comes, they're somewhere else. And some of them are smart enough not to travel in their rides. The safest way they can travel is maxis and hide amongst the folk.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/rVNe8a6LlYw&feature=player_embedded
Under all ole talk... them civilians real play de ass in that clip there.
That's exactly what I see. All up in police face and thing, acting up. Schueupps
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I know we don't see eye to eye on civil rights, but Bakes, you think these guys will be sitting at home at the addresses they're known to reside? These guys will be moving in the daytime so that when the raid comes, they're somewhere else. And some of them are smart enough not to travel in their rides. The safest way they can travel is maxis and hide amongst the folk.
As I said... "or where they might be found". Trinidad not that big and I guarantee you, just as they squeeze somebody and make them talk to say who the criminal is, they could find out where they is too. Besides, as I said... under normal circumstances the police are free to set up roadblocks and stop and look at the faces of the driver and passengers. They might not be able to search the vehicle or the persons of the passengers, but that's not what was going on yesterday anyways. So rather than apologize for the inconvenience or explain that the looking for a certain person... the police will enter the maxi with he face 'swell up' as we say and carry on in this gestapo kinda way (in-keeping with police culture in TnT) because he name police and whatever he say goes.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/rVNe8a6LlYw&feature=player_embedded
Under all ole talk... them civilians real play de ass in that clip there.
Same thing I saying. It looked as though they(the police) were trying to diffuse the situation. Something happened before though.
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This SoE has discombobulated the whole of TnT. Ent?
Ah learn a new word from Mr Hinds and had to put it to use before ah forget it ;D
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http://www.economist.com/node/21526903
Crime in Trinidad: Taking on the gangs
Emergency treatment
Aug 27th 2011 | PORT OF SPAIN | from the print edition
STREET life in St James, a suburb of Port of Spain, Trinidad’s capital, that likes to call itself the “city that never sleeps”, normally blasts on until the early hours. But now all is deathly quiet. Customers and staff scuttle home early to beat a 9pm curfew that started on August 21st in Port of Spain and three other towns as part of a nationwide state of emergency imposed by Trinidad and Tobago’s prime minister, Kamla Persad-Bissessar.
The aim of the emergency, which grants special powers to the police and army, is to try to break the island’s violent criminal gangs. Most Trinidadians support the measure. “Long overdue”, says Ken Gordon, a businessman who chaired a crime task-force for a former government. The four days preceding the announcement saw 11 killings, in a country of just 1.3m people. The murder rate last year was 36 per 100,000, around seven times that in the United States. Recent drug busts raised fears of more deadly turf battles.
Jamaica, with a worse gang problem, imposed a similar emergency for two months from May 2010. Gunmen in the capital, Kingston, had attacked police stations in support of their leader, Christopher “Dudus” Coke, who was wanted in the United States on drug charges. Police and troops stormed his Tivoli Gardens stronghold, leading to 73 civilian deaths. Mr Coke was arrested a month later, and now awaits trial in New York. A bevy of suspected criminals was detained. The murder rate fell by more than 40%, and has stayed down.
Nobody expects such drama in Trinidad. Two young thugs were shot dead during an armed robbery on August 22nd. But there is no kingpin on the “most wanted” posters. The curfew will doubtless cut the murder rate, but it was slowly coming down anyway. If arsenals of illegal guns are seized and hard-core gangsters are charged and convicted, there will be a longer-term dividend. But that requires intelligence and unusual determination from a police force that is in sullen mood over a pay claim and the appointment of a Canadian as police commissioner last year.
The previous prime minister resisted calls for a state of emergency because he worried this might scare investors when the economy was booming. Now it is struggling to recover from the recession. Mrs Persad-Bissessar reckons that leaving the gangs unchecked would be costlier.
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Heard on FB that Kamla ad Sandy had intel that a cocaine submarine was offshore and mercenaries were coming ashore to take over the government that is why we had SoE...lol
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http://www.youtube.com/v/rVNe8a6LlYw&feature=player_embedded
obviously this isnt the whole video and we dont know what happened before, but what from we see, i have to side with the police. those ppl were behaving real ignorant. alot of ciizens have no respect for police but that doesnt give them right to put your hand in their face.
i wouldnt lie. that woman look for that. real jagabat behaviour
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Heard on FB that Kamla ad Sandy had intel that a cocaine submarine was offshore and mercenaries were coming ashore to take over the government that is why we had SoE...lol
Errant nonsense manufactured in mind of some sycophant. I wonder I living in the twilight zone I poll done by on the tv stations asking people if the government should explain why a SoE was called, 15 % say Yes and 85 % say no. Listening to the AG the reason has been evolving each day like an epic tale.
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http://www.economist.com/node/21526903
Crime in Trinidad: Taking on the gangs
Emergency treatment
Aug 27th 2011 | PORT OF SPAIN | from the print edition
STREET life in St James, a suburb of Port of Spain, Trinidad’s capital, that likes to call itself the “city that never sleeps”, normally blasts on until the early hours. But now all is deathly quiet. Customers and staff scuttle home early to beat a 9pm curfew that started on August 21st in Port of Spain and three other towns as part of a nationwide state of emergency imposed by Trinidad and Tobago’s prime minister, Kamla Persad-Bissessar.
The aim of the emergency, which grants special powers to the police and army, is to try to break the island’s violent criminal gangs. Most Trinidadians support the measure. “Long overdue”, says Ken Gordon, a businessman who chaired a crime task-force for a former government. The four days preceding the announcement saw 11 killings, in a country of just 1.3m people. The murder rate last year was 36 per 100,000, around seven times that in the United States. Recent drug busts raised fears of more deadly turf battles.
Jamaica, with a worse gang problem, imposed a similar emergency for two months from May 2010. Gunmen in the capital, Kingston, had attacked police stations in support of their leader, Christopher “Dudus” Coke, who was wanted in the United States on drug charges. Police and troops stormed his Tivoli Gardens stronghold, leading to 73 civilian deaths. Mr Coke was arrested a month later, and now awaits trial in New York. A bevy of suspected criminals was detained. The murder rate fell by more than 40%, and has stayed down.
Nobody expects such drama in Trinidad. Two young thugs were shot dead during an armed robbery on August 22nd. But there is no kingpin on the “most wanted” posters. The curfew will doubtless cut the murder rate, but it was slowly coming down anyway. If arsenals of illegal guns are seized and hard-core gangsters are charged and convicted, there will be a longer-term dividend. But that requires intelligence and unusual determination from a police force that is in sullen mood over a pay claim and the appointment of a Canadian as police commissioner last year.
The previous prime minister resisted calls for a state of emergency because he worried this might scare investors when the economy was booming. Now it is struggling to recover from the recession. Mrs Persad-Bissessar reckons that leaving the gangs unchecked would be costlier.
2009 was less than 2008 and 2010 was less than 2009. Whats more is that despite that bloody weekend 2011 was on course to be less than 2010. Two months ago the PM, AG and Stevens hailed the lower crime rate to wide acclaim and touted the work of the police force in driving down the crime rate and rightly so. Yet we two months after we are told that we need a State of Emergency.
The article here points to the situation in Jamaica where there was a know target in a defined area which is the polar opposite to what we've done. They captured the 'big fish' and some of his minions . We have been rounding up guys who very likely will be released in four months.
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ok ah real curious now..i see people talking bout a Mr. Big
somebody pm me his name nah please :)
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ok ah real curious now..i see people talking bout a Mr. Big
somebody pm me his name nah please :)
Let me know too!!
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How many posters here have been victims of crime? robbery , violent attacks etc?
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AG says over 600 arrest so far . i forget the exact number . Tarouba stadium may act as a detention facility
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How many posters here have been victims of crime? robbery , violent attacks etc?
I was in a taxi in Curepe and two guys in the cab pointed guns at me and my girl and stole everything we had. When they put us out of the car in an isolated area of bush, we thought we would be killed.
I was also set up by a girl to be kidnapped in Petit Bourg. We were unknowingly directed into an ambush with a car blocking the road and another blocking us behind. Men with guns got out of the vehicles.
Fortunately, the guy driving could real drive and we escaped onto the EMR in the direction of PoS.
This was 9pm on a friday eve. The cars chased us and one got in front and again blocked the road. My boy reversed into the following car, made some space and u turned. I endured the most frightening car journey of my life as we were chased, ducking in and out of traffic, often on the wrong side of the road, until we fortunately made it to St Joseph police station. The police did nothing.
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How many posters here have been victims of crime? robbery , violent attacks etc?
I was in a taxi in Curepe and two guys in the cab pointed guns at me and my girl and stole everything we had. When they put us out of the car in an isolated area of bush, we thought we would be killed.
I was also set up by a girl to be kidnapped in Petit Bourg. We were unknowingly directed into an ambush with a car blocking the road and another blocking us behind. Men with guns got out of the vehicles.
Fortunately, the guy driving could real drive and we escaped onto the EMR in the direction of PoS.
This was 9pm on a friday eve. The cars chased us and one got in front and again blocked the road. My boy reversed into the following car, made some space and u turned. I endured the most frightening car journey of my life as we were chased, ducking in and out of traffic, often on the wrong side of the road, until we fortunately made it to St Joseph police station. The police did nothing.
dais wha yuh get for tracking OPP
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How many posters here have been victims of crime? robbery , violent attacks etc?
I was in a taxi in Curepe and two guys in the cab pointed guns at me and my girl and stole everything we had. When they put us out of the car in an isolated area of bush, we thought we would be killed.
I was also set up by a girl to be kidnapped in Petit Bourg. We were unknowingly directed into an ambush with a car blocking the road and another blocking us behind. Men with guns got out of the vehicles.
Fortunately, the guy driving could real drive and we escaped onto the EMR in the direction of PoS.
This was 9pm on a friday eve. The cars chased us and one got in front and again blocked the road. My boy reversed into the following car, made some space and u turned. I endured the most frightening car journey of my life as we were chased, ducking in and out of traffic, often on the wrong side of the road, until we fortunately made it to St Joseph police station. The police did nothing.
dais wha yuh get for tracking OPP
Nah, you gotta explain that one TC ???
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what about that top government official who organise for dhansook to set up frankie khan n williams? can police bring him in as well? seeing that there is credible evidence...thats all we need according to the AG..credible evidence...
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apparently the AG has ordered an investigation into death threats being made on d prime minister by the vid blogger below....
http://www.youtube.com/v/jtpG9kCzLTU
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This girl is real stupid, I guess she thinks shes the next Rachel Price, but she's gonna get in a lot of trouble. I really don't think she means any harm and is trying to be funny, but the AG taking it real serious and says theres a task force investigating this as well as other cyber crimes.
He's particularly vexed with people setting up phantom gmail accounts and facebook accounts and sending false information. He says they will be charged with wasting police time.
Then he said people can send information in confidence and they could do this by setting up anonymous email accounts. THEN he said that people doing this to create mischief could be traced!! So, how will anyone be confident enough to send info when they could be traced??
Also, Sandy was asked by a journo if they were going after the rich kids who hold underground raves full of drugs in Valsyn. Sandy got real serious ans asked the reporter if he had information that the police should know. He said it is the duty of the media to inform police of any information regarding crime and they are also subject to the laws concerning witholding information!
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This girl is real stupid, I guess she thinks shes the next Rachel Price, but she's gonna get in a lot of trouble. I really don't think she means any harm and is trying to be funny, but the AG taking it real serious and says theres a task force investigating this as well as other cyber crimes.
He's particularly vexed with people setting up phantom gmail accounts and facebook accounts and sending false information. He says they will be charged with wasting police time.
Then he said people can send information in confidence and they could do this by setting up anonymous email accounts. THEN he said that people doing this to create mischief could be traced!! So, how will anyone be confident enough to send info when they could be traced??
Also, Sandy was asked by a journo if they were going after the rich kids who hold underground raves full of drugs in Valsyn. Sandy got real serious ans asked the reporter if he had information that the police should know. He said it is the duty of the media to inform police of any information regarding crime and they are also subject to the laws concerning witholding information!
What's he in 'doubt' about? The assembly or the drug use?
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apparently the AG has ordered an investigation into death threats being made on d prime minister by the vid blogger below....
http://www.youtube.com/v/jtpG9kCzLTU
:rotfl: :rotfl: dumb
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This girl is real stupid, I guess she thinks shes the next Rachel Price, but she's gonna get in a lot of trouble. I really don't think she means any harm and is trying to be funny, but the AG taking it real serious and says theres a task force investigating this as well as other cyber crimes.
He's particularly vexed with people setting up phantom gmail accounts and facebook accounts and sending false information. He says they will be charged with wasting police time.
Then he said people can send information in confidence and they could do this by setting up anonymous email accounts. THEN he said that people doing this to create mischief could be traced!! So, how will anyone be confident enough to send info when they could be traced??
Also, Sandy was asked by a journo if they were going after the rich kids who hold underground raves full of drugs in Valsyn. Sandy got real serious ans asked the reporter if he had information that the police should know. He said it is the duty of the media to inform police of any information regarding crime and they are also subject to the laws concerning witholding information!
What's he in 'doubt' about? The assembly or the drug use?
What doubt you talking about?
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apparently the AG has ordered an investigation into death threats being made on d prime minister by the vid blogger below....
http://www.youtube.com/v/jtpG9kCzLTU
:rotfl: :rotfl: dumb
illiterate
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http://www.youtube.com/v/rVNe8a6LlYw&feature=player_embedded
Under all ole talk... them civilians real play de ass in that clip there. I don't know what transpired before or what transpired after, but based on what I see, police show real restraint. I see they telling de fella at the start to back up or whatever and he not complying... the one indian police start to push him (reasonably in my mind) and the pushing away the police hand telling him "doh push mih." I sorry... if that was in the US he woulda collect ah face plant so fast he head woulda spin. Before he know what hit him it woulda have 5 pairs ah knees in he back subduing him and putting him in cuffs.
Then the women.. lawd, what fine upstanding ladies they are. Haranguing the police and when they finally move in to arrest the queen troublemaker she start to resist and the others surrounding the police and interfering, talking about "whey allyuh arressin' de gyurl for??" Up here police woulda shove dem so hard they woulda land on the back ah dey head.
Not saying that US law enforcement is some paradiggem of professionalism... but police have a job to do and you have to comply. There's a time and place for protesting and guffin up... neither was present in that video.
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As for the second video... I didn't know much about Fitzgerald Hinds before, but man... I really like dis fella. Smart, articulate and absolutely on-point. He make some really nice points about the fact that they claiming these big numbers of arrest, but none of the arrests are being done under the emergency powers (to date), pointing to the fact that they could have done this all along w/o the state of emergency.
Secondly, they arresting these men under the anti-gang law by circumventing the purpose of the law. Rather than to target gang members, they 'roundsing' up whoever they want and waiting to sort shark from snapper from guppy later on... without even a care as to whether it have ole shoe or tire ketch in de net too (as I stated earlier). They seemingly going not after the quality of the haul, but the gross weight of what in the net. Four months hence, after a lull in crime has artificially and superficially been effected (assuming that genuine criminals are also caught up), they likely will be forced to release many if not most of these men. Then we will see that many innocent men just do a four-months fuh nutten... and the real criminals go back home to continue their life of crime. The non-critical, unwashed masses in central and South go proclaim the SoE a success of their government and TnT will be none the better for it.
typical scene behind the bridge, fellahs on the bench cool, while police arguing with someone and then detaining them because they take it too far. imo from experience and the fact my father family is 10 seconds walk from besson street police station, the women and men resisting were lucky this time around, normally the officers would not restrain themselves atall.
hinds you talking about? hinds is a waste of time, he never do nothing for the EDR, he could talk, but it ends there, no action, no initiative
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apparently the AG has ordered an investigation into death threats being made on d prime minister by the vid blogger below....
http://www.youtube.com/v/jtpG9kCzLTU
:rotfl: :rotfl: dumb
illiterate
she apologize , check the wall http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ian-Alleyne/427769105143?v=app_2309869772
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http://www.youtube.com/v/rVNe8a6LlYw&feature=player_embedded
What kinda women is that :-X , no behavior
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How many posters here have been victims of crime? robbery , violent attacks etc?
What does this have to do with anything... to give man an opportunity to come and see who could best play victim? Surely it must be that, because outside of that 'personal experience' have little to do with the discussion taking place.
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This SoE has discombobulated the whole of TnT. Ent?
Ah learn a new word from Mr Hinds and had to put it to use before ah forget it ;D
ENTTTTTTTT :rotfl: Fitzy have d gift of gab
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This SoE has discombobulated the whole of TnT. Ent?
Ah learn a new word from Mr Hinds and had to put it to use before ah forget it ;D
ENTTTTTTTT :rotfl: Fitzy have d gift of gab
gift of gab and nothing to back it up afterwards :devil:
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This SoE has discombobulated the whole of TnT. Ent?
Ah learn a new word from Mr Hinds and had to put it to use before ah forget it ;D
ENTTTTTTTT :rotfl: Fitzy have d gift of gab
gift of gab and nothing to back it up afterwards :devil:
CO-SIGNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
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Brian lara prison.
steups
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apparently the AG has ordered an investigation into death threats being made on d prime minister by the vid blogger below....
http://www.youtube.com/v/jtpG9kCzLTU
just heard on the news that the police are investigating this video and the person , seeing that threats were made to the prime minister :-X
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They have a shortage of handcuffs or restraints in Trinidad or what. How come police never handcuffing anybody? Whether is one person or a pickup tray full of people, no restraints. And why the police never in control of the scene it seems? They always struggling to deal with people who only pointing up in they face and arguing, and have no behavior. The police doh exibit a commanding intolerant of BS attitude.
Dais how it is or dais just what cameras recording. Is it that cameras doh have access to the real stuff?
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Just some insight on how the SOE affecting things. Was at Frankies on Ariapita tonite. They stopped serving at 7pm. Apparently, last night they had 300 people there at 8pm and the police parked cars outside. At 8.50, people still leaving. Police said that they didn't want to see anyone there after 8pm tonite.
But it was a real good vibe. I can't see much wrong with having a midnite curfew. People would soon get used to liming earlier and getting home by midnight. Until only recently, bars in UK closed at 11pm and you were out by 11.30 latest. Obviously clubs opened later, but even they closed at 2am. Instead of Trinis meeting up at 11pm and partying until 5am, why not change the laws so Trinis can still get their 5 hours and be home by midnight? Another observation...we haven't seen any deaths in cat accidents. Peiople not driving home tired and drunk. Maybe the police could actually enforce the drink driving laws and make the roads safer?
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Link to Bangladesh/PBR raids. Sorry about the ad!!
http://bcove.me/s7t60s14
http://cnc3.co.tt/content/bangldesh-raid
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Question.
Given all the conflicting and changable bits of information that coming from the government.....it normal for the AG to be like the chief source of information from the government?
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Link to Bangladesh/PBR raids. Sorry about the ad!!
http://bcove.me/s7t60s14
http://cnc3.co.tt/content/bangldesh-raid
is years, drugs and guns passing through there, about time they swoop
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oh I forgot to add, the AG mentioned that an AGENCY will be set up to monitor what is said on Facebook
http://www.youtube.com/v/d9ZHHKwP0_M&feature=share
There goes our freedom of speech
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oh I forgot to add, the AG mentioned that an AGENCY will be set up to monitor what is said on Facebook
http://www.youtube.com/v/d9ZHHKwP0_M&feature=share
There goes our freedom of speech
Anand f**k you, yuh asshole country bookie!
So what wrong with dat? Once yuh eh making threats whappen if someone want to cuss on cyber space? Did man really ehw ant no criticism of he and he cohorts.
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I watch the press conferences pretty much every day and saw that one today.. The AG wouldve done well to just mention the investigation into death threats against Kamla and just leave it at that.. All that talk about Facebook and setting up a task force to look at negative videos etc leave me scratching my head. I dunno where he get off with that, people free to say what they want and express how they feel once it is not geared at inciting violence or threatening someone.
Worse yet the man talking about wanting credible information from people setting up fake Facebook accounts to preserve anonymity... Then saying they could still track through IP addresses and what not if the information is mischevious. So no anonymity then? Just confusing nonsense talk.
Also, since the start of this I get the feeling they put the AG at the front to take the lead on PR simply because he is the most capable speaker and most adept at handling the tough questions. The Minister of National Security does come off like a bumbling, clueless old man in every interview and is very uncomfortable behind the mic.
Another thing that bother me was that today he said about 90% of people held were not charged under the emergency powers so do not have access to the tribunal. I not understanding where and how the distinction is made, and how that impacts on the rights of the people being held.
The last issue i have with these press conferences is that they never pass up the opportunity to politicize the SoE and talk about the opposition and what they did and didn't do etc which for me bears no relevance to the situation. I could do without all that tra-la-la.
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Shouldnt the person have to make two instances of what might be percieved as "threats and abusive language?"
Cuz that was wha happen with Sasha Mohammed ent?
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"Another thing that bother me was that today he said about 90% of people held were not charged under the emergency powers so do not have access to the tribunal. I not understanding where and how the distinction is made, and how that impacts on the rights of the people being held."
I'm not positive, but I believe the point of the SOE was to induct the army as police. The army are not necessarily au fait with police procedure, so people may claim wronful arrest. The SOE also allows them to search without a warrent and arrest without charge. Once arrested, most of these people will eventually be charged under the anti gang laws, but it was arresting them that proved the problem
The pnm have openly said that they would not have backed the anti gang laws if they realised they would be used in this way. However, I feel the end justifies the means.
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The pnm have openly said that they would not have backed the anti gang laws if they realised they would be used in this way. However, I feel the end justifies the means.
I thought the point they were making was that they backed the anti gang laws so that the government could utilize these powers against gangmembers WITHOUT imposing a state of emergency.
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Shouldnt the person have to make two instances of what might be percieved as "threats and abusive language?"
Cuz that was wha happen with Sasha Mohammed ent?
Apperently is once 4 d PM twice 4 anybody else
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Cops arrest 30 women at Marabella hotel
by Radhica Sookraj
Police moved into the popular Classic Seamen, formerly known as the Villa Capri Hotel in Marabella yesterday and arrested 30 women from Colombia, Dominican Republic, Dominica, Jamaica and Venezuela. The raid was part of an ongoing exercise to rid the streets of gangs, drug dealers, illegal immigrants and criminals. The exercise was headed by Assistant Police Commissioner Fitzroy Frederick and executed by Sgt Anthony Charles. Investigators said shortly after 3 pm, the officers moved into the Hotel and arrested the women and several men.
Several WPCs, including Seerattan, Charles, Noel, Callender and Figaro, assisted in herding the women into a waiting police bus. Meanwhile, at Princes Town, a team of officers led by Sgt Don Gajadhar arrested nine people, one of whom was detained for being part of a gang. Police said four others were charged for possession of marijuana. In the south-western district, two men ages 25 and 27 were arrested for alleged participation in a gang. Five others were charged for narcotic related offences. Police said the two men who were allegedly involved in gang activity had pending matters in court.
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Cops arrest 30 women at Marabella hotel
by Radhica Sookraj
Police moved into the popular Classic Seamen, formerly known as the Villa Capri Hotel in Marabella yesterday and arrested 30 women from Colombia, Dominican Republic, Dominica, Jamaica and Venezuela. The raid was part of an ongoing exercise to rid the streets of gangs, drug dealers, illegal immigrants and criminals. The exercise was headed by Assistant Police Commissioner Fitzroy Frederick and executed by Sgt Anthony Charles. Investigators said shortly after 3 pm, the officers moved into the Hotel and arrested the women and several men.
Several WPCs, including Seerattan, Charles, Noel, Callender and Figaro, assisted in herding the women into a waiting police bus. Meanwhile, at Princes Town, a team of officers led by Sgt Don Gajadhar arrested nine people, one of whom was detained for being part of a gang. Police said four others were charged for possession of marijuana. In the south-western district, two men ages 25 and 27 were arrested for alleged participation in a gang. Five others were charged for narcotic related offences. Police said the two men who were allegedly involved in gang activity had pending matters in court.
LMAOOOOO :rotfl:
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Brian lara prison.
steups
Briantanamo Bay...
all this government tactics straight out de Bush Administration manifesto.
They have a shortage of handcuffs or restraints in Trinidad or what. How come police never handcuffing anybody? Whether is one person or a pickup tray full of people, no restraints. And why the police never in control of the scene it seems? They always struggling to deal with people who only pointing up in they face and arguing, and have no behavior. The police doh exibit a commanding intolerant of BS attitude.
Dais how it is or dais just what cameras recording. Is it that cameras doh have access to the real stuff?
Only when cameras around... otherwise is level licks and bullet.
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Cops arrest 30 women at Marabella hotel
by Radhica Sookraj
Police moved into the popular Classic Seamen, formerly known as the Villa Capri Hotel in Marabella yesterday and arrested 30 women from Colombia, Dominican Republic, Dominica, Jamaica and Venezuela. The raid was part of an ongoing exercise to rid the streets of gangs, drug dealers, illegal immigrants and criminals. The exercise was headed by Assistant Police Commissioner Fitzroy Frederick and executed by Sgt Anthony Charles. Investigators said shortly after 3 pm, the officers moved into the Hotel and arrested the women and several men.
Several WPCs, including Seerattan, Charles, Noel, Callender and Figaro, assisted in herding the women into a waiting police bus. Meanwhile, at Princes Town, a team of officers led by Sgt Don Gajadhar arrested nine people, one of whom was detained for being part of a gang. Police said four others were charged for possession of marijuana. In the south-western district, two men ages 25 and 27 were arrested for alleged participation in a gang. Five others were charged for narcotic related offences. Police said the two men who were allegedly involved in gang activity had pending matters in court.
LMAOOOOO :rotfl:
You couldn't make this sh*t up :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Brian lara prison.
steups
Briantanamo Bay...
all this government tactics straight out de Bush Administration manifesto.
I actually saw on TV that it was referred to as a secret location known to the police and army as Guantanamo Bay
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Question.
Given all the conflicting and changable bits of information that coming from the government.....it normal for the AG to be like the chief source of information from the government?
I think in a situation like this it should be the Minister of National Security... upon regular advisement of the AG and the CoP... after all, National Security is the reason they give for the SoE no? The AG is just the government's lawyer... not law enforcement official... although dai's how Anand carrying on. He can't even bring charges and thing... is up to the DPP to do that. I trying to remember if that is how Sello used to be (frontpage on law enforcement issues), but honestly I can't remember.
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Day Six
222 arrests: 77 gang related, 37 drug related, 6 related to homicides, 71 other serious offences, 21 for breach of curfew, and 10 for outstanding warrants.
Day Five
147 arrests: 75 gang related, 21 drug related, 8 homicide related, 1 firearm offence, 19 other serious offences, 4 breach of curfew, and 4 for outstanding warrants
150 rounds of ammunition seized.
Day Four:
183 arrests: 59 gang related, 17 drug related offences, 9 homicide related, 1 firearm offence, 6 other serious offences, 25 breach of curfew, and 66 for outstanding warrants
Day Three:
117 arrests: 56 gang related 48 drug offences, 4 firearm offences, 1 homicide, and 8 other serious crimes.
2 firearms, 80 rounds of ammunition, 1 cartridge seized
Day Two:
28 arrests: 22 gang related, 4 stolen vehicle offences, 2 homicide offence
Six firearms, 800 rounds of ammunition seized.
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If he so desires can Brian Lara get his name removed from this stadium? because i highly doubt he would want his name associated with a facility that would be housing criminals. i doubt he would want that to be a part of his legacy
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Question.
Given all the conflicting and changable bits of information that coming from the government.....it normal for the AG to be like the chief source of information from the government?
I think in a situation like this it should be the Minister of National Security... upon regular advisement of the AG and the CoP... after all, National Security is the reason they give for the SoE no? The AG is just the government's lawyer... not law enforcement official... although dai's how Anand carrying on. He can't even bring charges and thing... is up to the DPP to do that. I trying to remember if that is how Sello used to be (frontpage on law enforcement issues), but honestly I can't remember.
I agree with Dinho that he is the one they selected because he can handle tough questions and deals with the media the best.KPB is the ceremonial PM and Sandy does sound real bummy with the mic.
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Just saw a story about a guy who died from an asthma attack Friday night. Apparently, they called an ambulance but it didn't arrive in time.
Of course, the family blames the govt for not having proper resources in place. However, I'm thinking that in a curfew, the ambulances must be on stanby and theres no traffic so response times should be quicker. Another curious thing is that the guys brother had a car, but the mother wouldn't let him take his brother to the hospital because of the curfew. But I'm sure the police would have given them an escort.
All I can think is that one of them was wanted by police. But if thats the case, I'd rather have one son locked up than one son dead.
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oh I forgot to add, the AG mentioned that an AGENCY will be set up to monitor what is said on Facebook
http://www.youtube.com/v/d9ZHHKwP0_M&feature=share
There goes our freedom of speech
Your tax dollars at work... what a dim-witted c**t... and Kamla is a c**t too.
Tallman, allyuh feel free to pass along mih information to Gibbs if he call allyuh ::)
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"Another thing that bother me was that today he said about 90% of people held were not charged under the emergency powers so do not have access to the tribunal. I not understanding where and how the distinction is made, and how that impacts on the rights of the people being held."
I'm not positive, but I believe the point of the SOE was to induct the army as police. The army are not necessarily au fait with police procedure, so people may claim wronful arrest. The SOE also allows them to search without a warrent and arrest without charge. Once arrested, most of these people will eventually be charged under the anti gang laws, but it was arresting them that proved the problem
The pnm have openly said that they would not have backed the anti gang laws if they realised they would be used in this way. However, I feel the end justifies the means.
No the point of the SoE is to suspend civil liberties and grant "emergency" powers not subject to due process limitations. As part of that they may grant powers of arrest to the army.
As for the ends justifying the means... always easy to say when it's not your ass in a bind. I'd like to see them round you up and have you sit in jail for four months without bail, without charge, and without trial... surrounded by some genuine criminals who then prey on you. After four months they release yuh normal normal like nothing happen, without compensation or apology. Let me hear you talk then about the ends justifying the means.
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Bakes, ah feel yuh extradition papers arriving on Monday :devil:
I have a question for you regarding lawyer integrity. I'm seeing Om Lalla on CrimeWatch helping to fight the criminals. But how can he justifyably be doing this when he's represented Warner and Camps for so long? I know everyone is entitled to legal representation and lawyers represent all kinds of heinous villains as they believe everyone has the right to a fair trial. But the Lalla/Warner thing is different. Its like those Mafia lawyers. Lalla must know Warner does shady stuff, and if he chooses to be T&T's version of a mafia lawyer, so be it. But he's now becoming T&T's best known lawyer, and many people aren't aware he represents Warner & Camps. How would he survive now if there was a really big legal controversy involving Warner or Camps?
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"Another thing that bother me was that today he said about 90% of people held were not charged under the emergency powers so do not have access to the tribunal. I not understanding where and how the distinction is made, and how that impacts on the rights of the people being held."
I'm not positive, but I believe the point of the SOE was to induct the army as police. The army are not necessarily au fait with police procedure, so people may claim wronful arrest. The SOE also allows them to search without a warrent and arrest without charge. Once arrested, most of these people will eventually be charged under the anti gang laws, but it was arresting them that proved the problem
The pnm have openly said that they would not have backed the anti gang laws if they realised they would be used in this way. However, I feel the end justifies the means.
No the point of the SoE is to suspend civil liberties and grant "emergency" powers not subject to due process limitations. As part of that they may grant powers of arrest to the army.
As for the ends justifying the means... always easy to say when it's not your ass in a bind. I'd like to see them round you up and have you sit in jail for four months without bail, without charge, and without trial... surrounded by some genuine criminals who then prey on you. After four months they release yuh normal normal like nothing happen, without compensation or apology. Let me hear you talk then about the ends justifying the means.
Thats precisely why I do not involve myself in criminal activity or associate with known criminals. You see, Bakes, I have a choice.
Now I know you can't choose your family and you may be arrested by association. If I had the same situation here as I had in London with a step son involved in gangs, I guess I would be worried about my family being dragged down too. But if I complained about it not being fair, you and everyone else would say I should have informed on him, and I should not have harboured a criminal. That too, would have been my choice. I may be oversimplyfying the matter, its not always as simple as you're with them or against them.
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Thats precisely why I do not involve myself in criminal activity or associate with known criminals. You see, Bakes, I have a choice.
Now I know you can't choose your family and you may be arrested by association. If I had the same situation here as I had in London with a step son involved in gangs, I guess I would be worried about my family being dragged down too. But if I complained about it not being fair, you and everyone else would say I should have informed on him, and I should not have harboured a criminal. That too, would have been my choice. I may be oversimplyfying the matter, its not always as simple as you're with them or against them.
Which is why I think it is extremely naive to make a statement such as you don't involve yourself in criminal activity or associate with criminals (therefore you're not at risk). Count yourself lucky that you have never been wrongfully accused of a crime. By the grace of God neither have I, but I know of enough people who have to not champion the "ends justifies the means" argument that you're making. The police hardly seem discriminating in their arrests or troubled by the need for reliable information before they round up some of these people.
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Thats precisely why I do not involve myself in criminal activity or associate with known criminals. You see, Bakes, I have a choice.
Now I know you can't choose your family and you may be arrested by association. If I had the same situation here as I had in London with a step son involved in gangs, I guess I would be worried about my family being dragged down too. But if I complained about it not being fair, you and everyone else would say I should have informed on him, and I should not have harboured a criminal. That too, would have been my choice. I may be oversimplyfying the matter, its not always as simple as you're with them or against them.
Which is why I think it is extremely naive to make a statement such as you don't involve yourself in criminal activity or associate with criminals (therefore you're not at risk). Count yourself lucky that you have never been wrongfully accused of a crime. By the grace of God neither have I, but I know of enough people who have to not champion the "ends justifies the means" argument that you're making. The police hardly seem discriminating in their arrests or troubled by the need for reliable information before they round up some of these people.
Well, we can only go by what we're told and shown, but it appears that they are targeting specific people based on intelligence. One Mother said they have a photo of her son when they arrested him. It also seems they are acting with more restraint than usual. Under this scrutiny, I feel it unlikely (though not impossible) that they will just arrest anyone without reason. In fact, I suspect any officer doing that may be punished severely. However, I don't think its right that, say, a car thief is treated the same as a gunman. But I don't feel I'm being naive, I feel I'm taking a considered position, that hopefully, I will never have to test!
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Well, we can only go by what we're told and shown, but it appears that they are targeting specific people based on intelligence. One Mother said they have a photo of her son when they arrested him. It also seems they are acting with more restraint than usual. Under this scrutiny, I feel it unlikely (though not impossible) that they will just arrest anyone without reason. In fact, I suspect any officer doing that may be punished severely. However, I don't think its right that, say, a car thief is treated the same as a gunman. But I don't feel I'm being naive, I feel I'm taking a considered position, that hopefully, I will never have to test!
I take back what I said. It's not my place to call you naive... but you have a lot to learn about police in Trinidad.
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Just got off the phone with my mom. I was checking in to see if my brother (who has a past) was ok. :) Frankly, Trinidad has become a place where people feel like they are above the law, or more accurately put, respects no law or system of governance, regardless if it is societal or personal. Is it surprising that for all our natural talent we underachieve at so many things? Listen... I could excuse people for not understanding government as an institution of society and mistake it for a babysitter or a rich uncle. However, I cannot excuse you if you don't feel responsible for your own community and your household. I cannot excuse a society that finds nothing wrong with a 15 year old girl coming ON CAMERA and cussing the PM.."HYMC this, HYMC that."
The drugs and gun issue in T&T is in no way unique only to us. Somehow we have forgotten the simplest of things. Things like respect your elders..respect those in authority..say thank you and good night. We might think these things petty but these are the things that drive healthy communities and homes. The repetition of these things enforce the right fabric. Instead, we purport that all the governments bad, all the police violent and corrupt, the public servants watless. You know how abusive public service is in T&T? When was the last time you thanked a bus driver or a police officer with a kind word? Instead we have this HYMC anarchy type attitude. Listen...If you want a better country be a better citizen. But know this, the institution of government, when functioning appropriately will be a sword to those that deserve it and shield to those that deserve it. Decide on want you planting Monday to Friday.
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Preacher, I agree with a lot that you said. Since coming to Trinidad, I have been surprised at the lack of courtesy, even from so called "respectable" people. People look at you strangely if you hold a door open for them, and often won't even say thanks.
Don't get me wrong, I find Trinis more friendly than most other nationalities.
There seems no understanding of consideration. People late for meetings, and not apologising, people not even showing for meetings, but not calling to let you know. I find the worse examples on the road. God knows, UK has its share of asshole drivers, but generally they give way, join queues, indicate correctly and don't do things that may endanger themselves and you. But many Trini drivers (particularly licensed and unlicensed taxis and maxis) do not consider anyone. I get so vex when some idiot stops suddenly, or stops on a bend or a hill or opposite a parked car, just to get a fare, snarling up traffic in both directions. And the people waiting for a ride give no thought to the fact they're waiting in a spot that will cause havoc.
The thing is, none of this is deliberate. When I bawl and shout in my car, my passenger will usually not understand why I'm vexed, and utter the apparent fix all explanation.... this is Trinidad. Somehow, someway, core values have been forgotten and are not being taught to children. I'm sure many of the ex pats on here will feel the same when they return home. These core values, while not being the cause of crime, can help to change attitudes of people and go a small way towards building a better society.
I love living in Trinidad, but theres so much that could be better. And for all that I've just written, there are just as many problems in Britain.
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attitude is a reflection of leadership
In the home
In the school/workplace
In the parliament
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Agree Greg
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To tell the truth, as much as I abhor this SoE, and the subsequent loss of civil liberties, I am glad tos ee dem bandits getting jailed
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Shut in dong madam PM! Ban FB and BBM too!
BTW, Preacher.. love the thoughts you shared.
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Just got off the phone with my mom. I was checking in to see if my brother (who has a past) was ok. :) Frankly, Trinidad has become a place where people feel like they are above the law, or more accurately put, respects no law or system of governance, regardless if it is societal or personal. Is it surprising that for all our natural talent we underachieve at so many things? Listen... I could excuse people for not understanding government as an institution of society and mistake it for a babysitter or a rich uncle. However, I cannot excuse you if you don't feel responsible for your own community and your household. I cannot excuse a society that finds nothing wrong with a 15 year old girl coming ON CAMERA and cussing the PM.."HYMC this, HYMC that."
The drugs and gun issue in T&T is in no way unique only to us. Somehow we have forgotten the simplest of things. Things like respect your elders..respect those in authority..say thank you and good night. We might think these things petty but these are the things that drive healthy communities and homes. The repetition of these things enforce the right fabric. Instead, we purport that all the governments bad, all the police violent and corrupt, the public servants watless. You know how abusive public service is in T&T? When was the last time you thanked a bus driver or a police officer with a kind word? Instead we have this HYMC anarchy type attitude. Listen...If you want a better country be a better citizen. But know this, the institution of government, when functioning appropriately will be a sword to those that deserve it and shield to those that deserve it. Decide on want you planting Monday to Friday.
Can't speak for others... but I do that all the time. When I was in TnT 2 yrs ago I was even driving thru Valencia junction... my old area... and see this police man (with assault rifle slung over his shoulder) keeping traffic moving in the rain. I say tuh him as I creeped past "yuh doing a great job officer"... no hint of sarcasm in mih voice. De man watch mih like ah cuss he mother and otherwise ignore mih. So it goes...
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Another thing that bother me was that today he said about 90% of people held were not charged under the emergency powers so do not have access to the tribunal. I not understanding where and how the distinction is made, and how that impacts on the rights of the people being held.
I keep hearing references being made to people being charged under the Anit-gang legislation that was passed earlier this year. So did we need an SOE to arrest and charge these people??
Further, I was going to post since Friday a statement made by Fitzgerald Hinds on the topic of the Tribunal. I95.5fm was discussing the topic and Mrs. Jennifer Baptiste-Primus (hear nah ah love dat woman bad, bad....but I digress ;D) was reading out the stipulations or rules of the Tribunal.
Fortunately, Mr. Hinds called in and explained that you cyar just appeal to the Tribunal just so, just so. If you were arrested during the SOE ON THE ORDERS OF THE MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY then and ONLY THEN can you appeal to the Tribunal.
So while I sit down here thinking that if I meet up some police who abuse me I could appeal to this Tribunal that is not the case. Maybe, that is what is being alluded to in your post Dinho....I saw an article that quotes Hinds on the issue in yesterday's Express (the "offline" version). I didn't read it because I figure it would be more or less what I heard on the radio on Friday. But I'll see if I can find it online and post the link here.
If is one thing, I'm learning real stuff about the constitution and related matters because of this SOE.....
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AG going after Facebook posts
Published: Sun, 2011-08-28 20:24
Gail Alexander
A Facebook video involving death threats against Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar has been sent to the Police Commissioner for action, Attorney General Anand Ramlogan said yesterday. Speaking at yesterday’s daily media briefing by security chiefs at the National Security Ministry, Ramlogan said he had seen the video and it was a matter of grave concern. Ramlogan said the video was immediately turned over to CoP Dwayne Gibbs. Ramlogan said he had noted a number of Facebook videos and postings which border on incitement, had obscene language and in some cases were abusive to security forces. Ramlogan noted one video with a female of about 14 or 15 years old, whom he said made profane comments. He said such types of videos would not be tolerated.
While freedom of expression was permitted in a state of emergency, Ramlogan said inciting and use of vulgar, abusive and obscene language was not permitted. Ramlogan said the Government had agencies examining the various social media sites to see if what is being put up was within the law. If it is not, it will be passed to the Police Commissioner for action, he added. National Security Minister John Sandy said if the law had been broken where the Facebook video of the female was concerned, the Police Commissioner would “take appropriate steps.” On the other side of the coin, the social media may be used to assist current security operations.
Admitting that a sore point in the security exercise was the gathering of community-based intelligence, Ramlogan said the Government was thinking of using Facebook to obtain information via virtual command centre. He warned that people submitting false information could be charged with wasting police time and false leads on such a forum could be traced via the IP address. National Security Minister John Sandy said emergency vehicles like ambulances were available to transport the ill to hospitals or nursing homes. If people were going on their own to such places, he advised that the police station be notified.
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2011/08/28/ag-going-after-facebook-posts (http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2011/08/28/ag-going-after-facebook-posts)
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Another thing that bother me was that today he said about 90% of people held were not charged under the emergency powers so do not have access to the tribunal. I not understanding where and how the distinction is made, and how that impacts on the rights of the people being held.
I keep hearing references being made to people being charged under the Anit-gang legislation that was passed earlier this year. So did we need an SOE to arrest and charge these people??
Further, I was going to post since Friday a statement made by Fitzgerald Hinds on the topic of the Tribunal. I95.5fm was discussing the topic and Mrs. Jennifer Baptiste-Primus (hear nah ah love dat woman bad, bad....but I digress ;D) was reading out the stipulations or rules of the Tribunal.
Fortunately, Mr. Hinds called in and explained that you cyar just appeal to the Tribunal just so, just so. If you were arrested during the SOE ON THE ORDERS OF THE MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY then and ONLY THEN can you appeal to the Tribunal.
So while I sit down here thinking that if I meet up some police who abuse me I could appeal to this Tribunal that is not the case. Maybe, that is what is being alluded to in your post Dinho....I saw an article that quotes Hinds on the issue in yesterday's Express (the "offline" version). I didn't read it because I figure it would be more or less what I heard on the radio on Friday. But I'll see if I can find it online and post the link here.
If is one thing, I'm learning real stuff about the constitution and related matters because of this SOE.....
This was my point Browns, the opposition vexed that the AGL is being used this way. The AGL had provisions to ensure personal rights were upheld. The SOE trumps the AGL card. So they use the SOE to arrest and search without warrents and then use the AGL to charge. All the safeguards of the SOE, such as right to tribunal are removed due to the AGL charges, yet the safeguards of the AGL such as requisite evedence to arrest are removed because of SOE. Very clever manoevering by govt. This will never happen again. After the SOE, laws will be changed, but at this time the govt have created a carte blanche where civil rights are concerned.
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AG going after Facebook posts
Published: Sun, 2011-08-28 20:24
Gail Alexander
A Facebook video involving death threats against Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar has been sent to the Police Commissioner for action, Attorney General Anand Ramlogan said yesterday. Speaking at yesterday’s daily media briefing by security chiefs at the National Security Ministry, Ramlogan said he had seen the video and it was a matter of grave concern. Ramlogan said the video was immediately turned over to CoP Dwayne Gibbs. Ramlogan said he had noted a number of Facebook videos and postings which border on incitement, had obscene language and in some cases were abusive to security forces. Ramlogan noted one video with a female of about 14 or 15 years old, whom he said made profane comments. He said such types of videos would not be tolerated.
While freedom of expression was permitted in a state of emergency, Ramlogan said inciting and use of vulgar, abusive and obscene language was not permitted. Ramlogan said the Government had agencies examining the various social media sites to see if what is being put up was within the law. If it is not, it will be passed to the Police Commissioner for action, he added. National Security Minister John Sandy said if the law had been broken where the Facebook video of the female was concerned, the Police Commissioner would “take appropriate steps.” On the other side of the coin, the social media may be used to assist current security operations.
Admitting that a sore point in the security exercise was the gathering of community-based intelligence, Ramlogan said the Government was thinking of using Facebook to obtain information via virtual command centre. He warned that people submitting false information could be charged with wasting police time and false leads on such a forum could be traced via the IP address. National Security Minister John Sandy said emergency vehicles like ambulances were available to transport the ill to hospitals or nursing homes. If people were going on their own to such places, he advised that the police station be notified.
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2011/08/28/ag-going-after-facebook-posts (http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2011/08/28/ag-going-after-facebook-posts)
I know people will shout that free speech is being attacked, but that girls video was being watched by young kids who are forming opinions based on her vile rantings. She should not be a voice of young people and although she shouldn't be charged, I think she deserves the shock of her life, and to be made an example of. By all means, criticise the govt, but stop with the vial language and death threats. Look at the effect its had on usually lawabiding people like Bakes lol
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My bad, I read it in the Guardian....
Hinds: Review Tribunal a waste of $$
Published: Sat, 2011-08-27 20:11
Yvonne Baboolal
PNM Senator Fitzgerald Hinds is predicting that the Review Tribunal established to hear the cases of people detained under the Emergency Powers Regulations will be a waste of resources and money. Hinds, an attorney, is claiming that none of the arrests made so far, including those on Nelson Street, were made under the Emergency Powers Regulations but under different suspicions and laws by the police in their normal course of duty. He said according to the regulations the Minister of National Security had the power to order the detention of someone if he suspected the person was acting against the interest of public safety. He is not anticipating either that the police will find anyone to detain under the regulations.
“There is no emergency, no insurrection, no threat,” Hinds insisted. He recalled that during the 1970 Black Power Revolution and the 1990 uprising people were detained under the Emergency Powers Regulations. He said the only threat to the Government were street criminals who could be arrested outside the Emergency Powers Regulations. According to a release from the tribunal yesterday, any person lawfully detained during the state of emergency, under the Emergency Powers Regulations, 2011, has a right to have his/her case reviewed by the Review Tribunal.
Members of the tribunal appointed by Chief Justice Ivor Archie to review the case of anyone detained during the state of emergency released the statement yesterday outlining the procedure on how the tribunal may be accessed. The statement added that any detainee who wanted to have his case reviewed by the tribunal shall make a written request, signed by him or his representative, and lodge it at one of the following locations:
• Registry of the Supreme Court, Hall of Justice, Port-of-Spain;
• sub-registry of the Supreme Court, San Fernando;
• sub-registry of the Supreme Court, Tobago; or
• secretariat of the Review Tribunal, Hall of Justice, Knox Street, Port-of-Spain.
When the request is received, the statement said, the secretary of the tribunal shall promptly notify the Minister of National Security of the matter. It added: “The minister shall forthwith submit to the secretary the grounds upon which the person was detained. “The secretary shall then furnish to the detainee the grounds on which he was detained and notify him of the time and place at which the review will be held to enable him to present his case. “The detainee will be entitled to present his case to the Review Tribunal in person or through a legal representative.
“The tribunal will sit at the Hall of Justice, Knox Street, Port-of-Spain and the hearings shall be held in camera.” The Review Tribunal, provided for in section 11 (1) of the Constitution, was established by Archie recently. Members are Gilbert Peterson SC, chairman, Deborah Peake SC and Rajmanlal Joseph. Secretary is Paul Issac. The office of the Review Tribunal is located at the Hall of Justice, Knox Street, Port-of-Spain.
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2011/08/27/hinds-review-tribunal-waste (http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2011/08/27/hinds-review-tribunal-waste)
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State of confusion
By Raffique Shah
"GUILTY as charged, sah!" I declare before the court of public opinion. I hasten to add, as most felons do, "But I need to explain, boss." Yes, I was foremost among persons who felt that serious crimes had long passed the point of tolerance, that law-abiding citizens were living in a state of siege, and if a state of emergency was required to restore some semblance of order in the society, then bring it on.
But in so doing, I all but mapped out a strategy for the imposition of draconian measures. I wrote from as far back as 2003 that law enforcement agencies first needed to have proper intelligence reports on the highest-level criminals who have reduced this country to the sorry state it had reached. Sure, they must necessarily target the young gunmen who, armed with what the police often describe as "high powered guns" (ordinary pistols, rifles and sub-machine guns), commit the most heinous robberies, murders and gangland executions.
These two-by-two louts, however, do not import such weapons. One does not take a pirogue to Colombia, seek out Pablo, thrust some "blue notes" into his hands, and say, "Chief, ah want two kilos of pure-white and ah dozen Glocks!" You'd be dead before you get close to Pablo, Juan or whoever runs a cartel in cocaine-country.
Given that an estimated 300 tonnes of cocaine is "traded" every year, any offer to buy less than, say, 100 kilos, would be deemed an insult. And the guns that invariably accompany cocaine trafficking come in large numbers; not a Glock or S&W here, an HK MP5 there. Bulk-buying is the name of that game. Only people who have millions of US dollars are capable of tapping into such sources.
So that while picking up Atibo and Carter from Nelson Street, and Khalid and Dominic from Bagatelle, might mean four cold-blooded killers off the streets, "Messrs Big" remain at large to find other jackasses to continue the lucrative trade in guns and drugs. From what I have seen thus far (I'm writing this on Friday morning), the prison-pirogue is filled with "fry-dries"; a handful of weapons has been seized (including a "pookney" whose owner must be ashamed to claim it!), and these are of little comfort to citizens who want law and order restored.
Most of all, there is a state of confusion that manifests itself daily during the State of Emergency. When the Prime Minister first alerted the nation to this drastic measure, she deemed it "limited". We have since clarified that: the Emergency is national in scope. The curfew is what is limited to certain districts.
I would have expected, when the PM addressed the nation, she might have said: "...As I speak to you, 46 gang leaders (she turns to Minister Sandy, whispers, then returns to the mike)...make that 55, have been picked up by the police and are currently detained in prison."
You do not say the Emergency would become effective in 12 or 24 hours! Keith Rowley had it right when he said Government had lost the element of surprise—surprisingly so, since she has so many military advisers around her.
The confusion had only begun. What prompted the timing of the declaration remains a mystery. AG Ramlogan and Minister John Sandy hinted that some kind of mayhem and mass murders were about to happen, hence the pre-emptive strike. The population does not need details. Surely, though, we expect to learn that the perpetrators of such intended action are under arrest and are charged with serious offences.
Then there was the saga of the missing Commissioner of Police, Dwayne Gibbs. Initially, nobody seemed to know where he was (one minister said Canada). The PSC threatened serious disciplinary action against him, and the AG said he would leave that issue for the PSC to deal with. Me? I thought if Gibbs left the country without informing the authorities, then he must be a mad man. He certainly does not look like a St Ann's outpatient.
Turned out that Cabinet, no less, had approved Gibbs' attendance at a conference in Brazil. Was that a case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand was doing? But worse was in the pipeline. AG Ramlogan comes across as someone who always wanted to act out his Western fantasies, John Wayne- style, riding a horse or whatever, and spouting "gun talk".
After the ministerial team announced postponement of the Independence fireworks, he chirped: "The only fireworks we want to see and hear must be between the army, the police and the bandits!"
With the State of Emergency in effect, Ramlogan is in his element. Every day he gets a chance to brandish his mouth, issuing a threat here, a warning there...until Dominic Kallipersad reduced him to television fodder.
If the AG is guilty of "playing himself" during the Emergency, what can I say about Minister Herbert Volney? Now, here's a real-life St Ann's in-patient who has escaped the walls of the mad house. "Anyone caught breaking the curfew will be shot on sight!" the madman bawled, as he "lahay" on a wall. People who did not know better started peeing their pants. Others laughed 'til they peed.
Seriously, I have no problem with the government's declaration of an emergency if, at the end of the week or month or even six months, so many real criminals are stashed away in prison, law-abiding citizens feel a sense of relief.
But with so much confusion surrounding its declaration and implementation, I have my doubts.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/commentaries/State_of_confusion-128543308.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/commentaries/State_of_confusion-128543308.html)
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Get it right!
By Dana Seetahal
His Excellency the President issued his Proclamation on Sunday, August 21, declaring that "a state of public emergency exists in the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago". The Proclamation was circulated to the media and others on the following Monday, yet right up to Wednesday, members of the press were referring to our current situation in this country as a "limited State of Emergency" (SOE)—blindly following the early words of the Prime Minister last Sunday.
I disagree emphatically with some persons, such as the Downtown Owners and Merchants Association president, who appear to suggest that one should not quibble about whether we term our current status a "limited" or full SOE; or where exactly the curfew applies.
How is a citizen to understand his rights and his responsibilities if it is not communicated to him clearly during this time whether and how his rights are impacted? Persons in Tobago, for instance, might have thought that since they have no curfew, Tobago was not under a SOE and so the police (and soldiers) could not arrest without warrant for certain breaches or search without a warrant. A SOE takes away important protections in the law and everyone needs to know how he or she is affected.
Nonetheless, by Thursday, it seemed that most people had finally grasped the fact that the entire country of Trinidad and Tobago was under a state of "public emergency". The same could not be said of an appreciation of the Curfew Order.
On the Sunday, the President also made Regulations (under Section 7 of the Constitution) which are called "The Emergency Powers Regulations 2011". Of course, in making the Proclamation and the Regulations, the President was acting in accordance with the advice of Cabinet, as he is required to do under Section 80 of the Constitution. In other words, and contrary to what some people seem to think, the President cannot act on his own initiative in this matter.
Regulation 4 states: "The Commissioner of Police is hereby authorised to exercise the following powers" and several powers are given which are to be exercised by Order made by the Commissioner. One of those powers is the power "to prohibit any person from being out of doors between such hours as may be specified..." In the exercise of this power, the acting Commissioner, on Monday, August 22, made what is called the Emergency Powers (Curfew) Order 2011.
The Order is headed "Made by the Commissioner of Police under Regulation 4 of the Emergency Powers Regulations" and provides, in part, that "no person shall be out of doors in the areas and at the times specified in the Schedules without a permit in writing of the Commissioner of Police". There are six Schedules and the first two read as follows:
First Schedule
Between 9 p.m. and 5 a.m. in the City of Port of Spain, as demarcated in the First Schedule to the Municipal Corporations Act.
Second Schedule
Between 9 p.m. and 5 a.m. in the City of San Fernando, as demarcated in the First Schedule to the Municipal Corporations Act."
The other Schedules refer to the Borough of Arima, the Borough of Chaguanas, the Region of Diego Martin and the Region of San Juan/Laventille, all as demarcated in the Municipal Corporations Act.
One would have thought that there should be no mistake by the authorities about the above, but this was not the case. I am not speaking here of the Commissioner's error because I accept that he could have made a slip of the tongue in saying that the curfew was in effect throughout the country, when he really meant the SOE.
What is not excusable is the following release, issued midday on Thursday, August 25, by the director—Public Affairs Unit of the Police Service to various news editors in the media. Under the heading Curfew Hours Under the Current State of Emergency, the release begins: "Statements attributed to the Commissioner of Police in the media have created some confusion regarding the state of emergency and the curfew hours now imposed. Kindly note that the Curfew Order 2011 proclaimed by the President for the imposition of the state of emergency states that the order is for Trinidad and Tobago, and not just Trinidad."
It is obvious that this person did not know what he was talking about. First of all, the Curfew Order was never proclaimed by the President; it was made by the acting Commissioner of Police. Secondly, the Order was not for the imposition of the SOE, as is clear from what I have quoted above. Thirdly, the Order does not relate to Tobago. If this release demonstrates the level of understanding of the Director of the Police Public Affairs Unit, is it any wonder that police PR is in such an abysmal state?
As if that were not all, a media release made the very same day by the very Ministry of National Security, under which the Police Service falls, is equally convoluted. The release, through the Ministry's Corporate Communications Unit, reiterated that the curfew was limited to "hot spots". It begins: "The current state of emergency applies to the national community. The 9 p.m. to 5 a.m. curfew, however, is applied only to those areas identified as "hot spots" within the municipal corporation areas. ..." Not only is this misleading, but the misrepresentation is underlined in the release and then the author proceeds to list about 50 areas that are deemed "hot spots". This is in clear conflict with the Curfew Order and which is now law.
At this time when we would like to believe the authorities know what they are about the official organs of communication of the ministry which should be in control at this time, the ministry under which both the police and the Defence Force fall, appear to have no clue. Can they not read and understand a simple curfew order?
If the country is supposed to take direction from the Ministry of National Security at this time, heaven help us!
• Dana S Seetahal is a former
Independent Senator
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attitude is a reflection of leadership
In the home
In the school/workplace
In the parliament
G you are right but I would also add one to your list.
In one's own heart and conscience (inner feeling or voice acting as a guide to the rightness or wrongness of one's behavior)
We shouldn't always be quick to blame everybody else. Now don't get me wrong I agree with TC, Bakes, Brownie and everybody that rightfully state you didn't need a SEO to do what the Gov't is doing, at least not from the info we have been given. But it is the role of Government to institute these measures when communities fail to govern itself on the side of the law. It is a very sad thing because it implies that everyone is now guilty until proven innocent. But it makes sense if the communities do not find themselves on the right side of the law. So now, there is an opportunity for communities to redeem itself so to speak. Now there is one law; stay inside after 9pm. and give up the crooks. And don't be misled to think that these guys will be back on the street like normal. There will never be normal again when it comes to police and obeying laws in T&T, never.
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should have been done long long time,as say so bout 4 years ago.
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State of confusion
By Raffique Shah
If the AG is guilty of "playing himself" during the Emergency, what can I say about Minister Herbert Volney? Now, here's a real-life St Ann's in-patient who has escaped the walls of the mad house. "Anyone caught breaking the curfew will be shot on sight!" the madman bawled, as he "lahay" on a wall. People who did not know better started peeing their pants. Others laughed 'til they peed.
my word, when did he say that ?
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Just driven home from PoS. Operations underway in Beetham. When I reached the EMR turn off for St Joseph, real army and police everywhere. Looks like they were stopping people going in and out of St Joseph, maybe even Curepe. Not sure if they were shaking down Bangladesh again. Must say, this is the first time I've driven through a road block and its real intimidating. Made sure I kept eye contact with the armed soldier in the road. (Didn't want to mistake a stop for a go!) Some of the people stopped were in their late 30's & 40's in nice pick ups and SUV's.
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State of confusion
By Raffique Shah
If the AG is guilty of "playing himself" during the Emergency, what can I say about Minister Herbert Volney? Now, here's a real-life St Ann's in-patient who has escaped the walls of the mad house. "Anyone caught breaking the curfew will be shot on sight!" the madman bawled, as he "lahay" on a wall. People who did not know better started peeing their pants. Others laughed 'til they peed.
my word, when did he say that ?
About Tuesday....I caught it on the news....
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Forumites, I see plenty weird things in my times eh, but i feel this one take the cake...
This afternoon around 5pm I driving into Diego Martin, turn off the highway and heading up to the roundabout/triangle kinda ting on the intersection of Diego Martin Main Road. Now anyone who familiar with this intersection will know that obliquely opposite the roundabout there are some buildings, in between which there is a paved hill going up to some houses in the back.
So here i am pulling up to the intersection and someone in my car is to say, "what is that woman doing??"
When i look straight ahead, there is a rasta man standing up about halfway up the hill and a woman stooping and giving de ras a blow job, normal and formal.. To make it worse, another woman is standing just a lil lower down the hill playing lookout, I don't know for what because these people were in clear view of the intersection.. I sure every car that come up to turn after i pass there would have seen them. I still aint want to believe is that i just see take place in the 5 o'clock hot sun..
The moral of the story is.... people was asking how shift and night time workers making out.. Well it look like the SoE and this curfew have them hos advancing their trade to daylight hours to meet their sales targets. Because that could be the only explanation for that piece ah madness..
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State of confusion
By Raffique Shah
If the AG is guilty of "playing himself" during the Emergency, what can I say about Minister Herbert Volney? Now, here's a real-life St Ann's in-patient who has escaped the walls of the mad house. "Anyone caught breaking the curfew will be shot on sight!" the madman bawled, as he "lahay" on a wall. People who did not know better started peeing their pants. Others laughed 'til they peed.
my word, when did he say that ?
About Tuesday....I caught it on the news....
He's a character long time.This is reminiscent of the comment about public hangings.
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http://www.newsday.co.tt/news/0,126163.html
DRUG DEN FOR RICH
By NALINEE SEELAL and ALEXANDER BRUZUAL Saturday, August 21 2010
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A day after they made one of the biggest weapons seizures, police described the Valsayn mansion of late millionaire contractor Hafeez Karamath as a drug den for the rich; a factory for the manufacture of exotic high-end hallucinogens.
Investigators estimate the mansion, located on a one acre property in the upscale neighbourhood of Palm Road, Valsayn, is worth more than $12 million.
They reported that “preferred clients” visited the mansion day and night. A ten-foot wall, which has a row of lights all around it, surrounds the compound which had a fleet of heavily tinted Sport Utility Vehicles (SUVs).
Residents believe the compound housed a casino which operated daily, and included armed security and a limousine chauffeur service to take clients home after heavy gambling.
It was purely by accident that the police stumbled upon a cache of arms, ammunition and drugs during a search carried out on Thursday at Karamath’s residence as part of the ongoing probe into alleged corrupt activities at the Urban Development Corporation of Trinidad and Tobago (Udecott).
Officers of the Anti-Corruption Investigations Bureau (ACIB), led by Senior Superintendent Solomon Koon Koon, said yesterday they went to the mansion with a search warrant for documents and material to assist them in the Udecott matter.
Karamath’s construction company had received contracts worth hundreds of millions of dollars, the most high profile of which was to build the Brian Lara Stadium in Tarouba.
However, during the search the ACIB officers found more than documents and suspect contracts.
They found in a bedroom in the western side of the mansion, boxes containing 18 high-powered guns and ammunition, which have since been traced to the Far East.
The weapons were 12 semi-automatic handguns, two high-powered rifles, two AK-47s and two submachine pistols. Forty-five 9 mm rounds, 12- gauge shotgun shells, .22 ammunition, .302 ammunition and 7.6 rounds were also found.
Apart from the cache of arms and ammunition, officers found equipment used in the processing of high-end exotic hallucinogens.
They discovered labelled bottles and packages containing drugs such as green cockroach, buba kush, sweet kush, Hawaiian kush, lemon skunk, lavender, LA Confidential, salmon, exodus cheese, hash, marijuana seedlings and an assortment of dried mushrooms. Four bongs and a hookah — devices used for smoking—as well as gas masks and other apparatus were also found.
This prompted the ACIB officers to call in officers of the Organised Crime, Narcotics and Firearms Unit who seized the guns, ammunition and drugs. Sources, who were present at the mansion, said six relatives of the late millionaire, including two women, a man, and three young persons between the ages 15 to 29 were detained.
None of the occupants had a firearm users licence.
“We have no information as to the real use of the firearms found in the house, we are exploring the possibility that it may have been used for rental or protection, but once charges are laid against individuals, the weapons will be sent to Forensic (Science Centre) for analysis to determine if they have ever been used,” a senior ACIB officer said yesterday.
He said Karamath had a firearm user’s licence and owned a security firm.
The six suspects were taken to the Port-of-Spain CID late Thursday night.
The two women were transferred yesterday to the Woodbrook Police Station, while the four men were taken to the Central Police Station.
Their attorneys met with them and the police yesterday.
They told Newsday the police said charges were expected to be laid against their clients by today.At about 2 pm yesterday, the six were taken to the office of the ACIB at Independence Square, Port-of-Spain, where they were interviewed for several hours.
Newsday understands that because of the circumstances in which the drugs, arms and ammunition were found, the ACIB had to discuss with Director of Public Prosecutions Roger Gaspard the charges to be laid against the six.
Officers also plan to return to the Valsayn mansion today. A report on the raid has been sent to Acting Commissioner of Police James Philbert and National Security Minister Brigadier John Sandy.
Attorney General Anand Ramlogan, who has jurisdiction for the ACIB, praised the officers for their work and said he has been advised that apart from the seized illicit items, officers also took possession of a quantity of documents and other materials related to the Udecott investigation.
The ACIB officers also raided Hafeez Karamath Construction Ltd (HKL) in San Juan on Thursday and seized a quantity of documents, including contracts and computers.
Karamath’s brother Ellis Karamath, the new owner HKL, did not answer calls to his cell phone for comment yesterday.
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http://www.newsday.co.tt/news/0,126163.html
DRUG DEN FOR RICH
By NALINEE SEELAL and ALEXANDER BRUZUAL Saturday, August 21 2010
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A day after they made one of the biggest weapons seizures, police described the Valsayn mansion of late millionaire contractor Hafeez Karamath as a drug den for the rich; a factory for the manufacture of exotic high-end hallucinogens.
Investigators estimate the mansion, located on a one acre property in the upscale neighbourhood of Palm Road, Valsayn, is worth more than $12 million.
They reported that “preferred clients” visited the mansion day and night. A ten-foot wall, which has a row of lights all around it, surrounds the compound which had a fleet of heavily tinted Sport Utility Vehicles (SUVs).
Residents believe the compound housed a casino which operated daily, and included armed security and a limousine chauffeur service to take clients home after heavy gambling.
It was purely by accident that the police stumbled upon a cache of arms, ammunition and drugs during a search carried out on Thursday at Karamath’s residence as part of the ongoing probe into alleged corrupt activities at the Urban Development Corporation of Trinidad and Tobago (Udecott).
Officers of the Anti-Corruption Investigations Bureau (ACIB), led by Senior Superintendent Solomon Koon Koon, said yesterday they went to the mansion with a search warrant for documents and material to assist them in the Udecott matter.
Karamath’s construction company had received contracts worth hundreds of millions of dollars, the most high profile of which was to build the Brian Lara Stadium in Tarouba.
However, during the search the ACIB officers found more than documents and suspect contracts.
They found in a bedroom in the western side of the mansion, boxes containing 18 high-powered guns and ammunition, which have since been traced to the Far East.
The weapons were 12 semi-automatic handguns, two high-powered rifles, two AK-47s and two submachine pistols. Forty-five 9 mm rounds, 12- gauge shotgun shells, .22 ammunition, .302 ammunition and 7.6 rounds were also found.
Apart from the cache of arms and ammunition, officers found equipment used in the processing of high-end exotic hallucinogens.
They discovered labelled bottles and packages containing drugs such as green cockroach, buba kush, sweet kush, Hawaiian kush, lemon skunk, lavender, LA Confidential, salmon, exodus cheese, hash, marijuana seedlings and an assortment of dried mushrooms. Four bongs and a hookah — devices used for smoking—as well as gas masks and other apparatus were also found.
This prompted the ACIB officers to call in officers of the Organised Crime, Narcotics and Firearms Unit who seized the guns, ammunition and drugs. Sources, who were present at the mansion, said six relatives of the late millionaire, including two women, a man, and three young persons between the ages 15 to 29 were detained.
None of the occupants had a firearm users licence.
“We have no information as to the real use of the firearms found in the house, we are exploring the possibility that it may have been used for rental or protection, but once charges are laid against individuals, the weapons will be sent to Forensic (Science Centre) for analysis to determine if they have ever been used,” a senior ACIB officer said yesterday.
He said Karamath had a firearm user’s licence and owned a security firm.
The six suspects were taken to the Port-of-Spain CID late Thursday night.
The two women were transferred yesterday to the Woodbrook Police Station, while the four men were taken to the Central Police Station.
Their attorneys met with them and the police yesterday.
They told Newsday the police said charges were expected to be laid against their clients by today.At about 2 pm yesterday, the six were taken to the office of the ACIB at Independence Square, Port-of-Spain, where they were interviewed for several hours.
Newsday understands that because of the circumstances in which the drugs, arms and ammunition were found, the ACIB had to discuss with Director of Public Prosecutions Roger Gaspard the charges to be laid against the six.
Officers also plan to return to the Valsayn mansion today. A report on the raid has been sent to Acting Commissioner of Police James Philbert and National Security Minister Brigadier John Sandy.
Attorney General Anand Ramlogan, who has jurisdiction for the ACIB, praised the officers for their work and said he has been advised that apart from the seized illicit items, officers also took possession of a quantity of documents and other materials related to the Udecott investigation.
The ACIB officers also raided Hafeez Karamath Construction Ltd (HKL) in San Juan on Thursday and seized a quantity of documents, including contracts and computers.
Karamath’s brother Ellis Karamath, the new owner HKL, did not answer calls to his cell phone for comment yesterday.
TC Yu liking this eh.. well I loving it.. Lock up all a dem Muddac**t .. Dem fackers ruin my country of birth.. I wid di police dem... I want to c police beating facking man on the streetpon cnn.. dem wah play bad man and terrorize innocent citizens.. well police in dem kakahole now... fire wrk mi wah see ....
war
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I pass that said mansion on my way to work every morning. Dem stink motherfackers. but i will only rejoice until i see dem get lock up. history has shown, the law dont apply to these kinda ppl
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One raid in Valsayn netted 18 guns and in 1 week of a state of emergency how many guns were recovered ?
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One raid in Valsayn netted 18 guns and in 1 week of a state of emergency how many guns were recovered ?
My point that went straight over war head.
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Been scratching my head...
all this protesting, cussing and getting in the way when the joined forces conducting exercises... are people just brave, have no respect for law or juss want ah gun butt in dey head? From the video clips I've been seeing, I must say that the law men/women real showing restraint.
with this sort of confrontational attitude people have adopted it's as if they could care less if this crime situation ever gets resolved.
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The AG just said that Jamaica's state of emergency reduced violent crime by 40 % and only one gang leader was captured. He said that Dudus wasn't perceived to be a 'big fish' either.
The AG is deliberately misrepresenting facts to fool the ignorant masses. He neglected to point out that the whole point of the Limited State of Emergency in Jamaica was to capture Dudus because he had an extradition order for narcotics crimes.He was a very big fish.
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So apaprently T&TEC on strike so nobody have current. WASA goan strike next.
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So apaprently T&TEC on strike so nobody have current. WASA goan strike next.
Serious ???
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Just been called by a colleague who said a radio announcement has confirmed the curfew will be extended to 7th November. Awaiting confirmation of this.
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So apaprently T&TEC on strike so nobody have current. WASA goan strike next.
Serious ???
Have electricity in Curepe & St Joseph!
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lightening hit a couple of sub stations and knocked them out.
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The AG just said that Jamaica's state of emergency reduced violent crime by 40 % and only one gang leader was captured. He said that Dudus wasn't perceived to be a 'big fish' either.
The AG is deliberately misrepresenting facts to fool the ignorant masses. He neglected to point out that the whole point of the Limited State of Emergency in Jamaica was to capture Dudus because he had an extradition order for narcotics crimes.He was a very big fish.
How could Dudus have NOT been seen as a big fish when there was an extradition order on his head from the US, and as you point out... the entire purpose of the exercise was to capture him? Look, I think I done commenting on this fella yes, but it real shocking to see the level of hypocrisy and deceit in such a high-ranking public official.
At any rate I reading on Facebook that the State of Emergency has been extended until November 7th... anybody have confirmation?
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The AG just said that Jamaica's state of emergency reduced violent crime by 40 % and only one gang leader was captured. He said that Dudus wasn't perceived to be a 'big fish' either.
The AG is deliberately misrepresenting facts to fool the ignorant masses. He neglected to point out that the whole point of the Limited State of Emergency in Jamaica was to capture Dudus because he had an extradition order for narcotics crimes.He was a very big fish.
How could Dudus have NOT been seen as a big fish when there was an extradition order on his head from the US, and as you point out... the entire purpose of the exercise was to capture him? Look, I think I done commenting on this fella yes, but it real shocking to see the level of hypocrisy and deceit in such a high-ranking public official.
At any rate I reading on Facebook that the State of Emergency has been extended until November 7th... anybody have confirmation?
Apparently it was announced on the radio. But I thought they had to wait for the debate on Friday, although, as they only need a simple majority to extend, it would have been a shoe-in. If its true, I expect to see an outcry by small businesses and unions.
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The AG just said that Jamaica's state of emergency reduced violent crime by 40 % and only one gang leader was captured. He said that Dudus wasn't perceived to be a 'big fish' either.
The AG is deliberately misrepresenting facts to fool the ignorant masses. He neglected to point out that the whole point of the Limited State of Emergency in Jamaica was to capture Dudus because he had an extradition order for narcotics crimes.He was a very big fish.
How could Dudus have NOT been seen as a big fish when there was an extradition order on his head from the US, and as you point out... the entire purpose of the exercise was to capture him? Look, I think I done commenting on this fella yes, but it real shocking to see the level of hypocrisy and deceit in such a high-ranking public official.
At any rate I reading on Facebook that the State of Emergency has been extended until November 7th... anybody have confirmation?
They need to go to Parliament but they only need a simple majority. Yes, that is the intention.
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STATE OF EMERGENCY: DAY EIGHT
Originally printed at http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/STATE-OF-EMERGENCY-DAY-EIGHT-128600503.html
August 29, 2011
Police Commissioner Dwayne Gibbs has said 31 arrests were made between the hours of 8 a.m. yesterday and 8 a.m. today in exercises conducted by police and military forces.
He was speaking at today’s news briefing at the Ministry of National Security, Port of Spain, to provide updates on the state of emergency and curfew.
Of the 31 people arrested, five were gang related, six for drug related offences, 16 for other serious offences, one for breach of curfew, and two on outstanding warrants.
Gibbs said a total of 820 arrests have been made since the state of emergency was imposed, with 298 of them being gang related.
In his update on the operations of the Trinidad and Tobago Defence Force, Chief of Defence Staff Kenrick Maharaj said a number of mobile and foot patrols and stop and search exercises were conducted across Trinidad and Tobago.
Joint army/police operations were carried out in Buccoo, Glencoe, and Point Fortin. Those operations resulted in 36 vehicular searches being conducted which yielded nine arrests and the seizure of a quantity of marijuana, as well as the seizure of four cutlasses and batons.
Maharaj said three arrests for the possession of marijuana were also made in the Toco/Sangre Grande area.
Day Eight
31 arrests: 5 gang related, 6 drug related, 16 other serious offences, 1 for breach of curfew, and 2 on outstanding warrants.
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What is considered a serious offence ?
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And why would they need just a simple majority to extend a state of emergency? Rights are at stake..shouldnt this have some special majority?
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What is considered a serious offence ?
Hosting a facebook page
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So with all the 'arrests' they trumpeting... only 37% has been for gang-related activity? Interesting.... I was under the impression that they were the majority. Let's see how many of that 37% is actually convicted... or more worryingly, how long it takes to even bring them to trial. For those who are ready to say "who cares as long as they take gang members off the streets"... let me remind you of how ridiculously low the threshold has been set for one to be charged under the anti-gang law... and how much lower the SoE has made the standard for arrest for any crime, let alone gang-affiliation.
Suffice to say I have very little confidence in the quality of policing currently taking place. The numbers might be impressive at first glance, but it remains to be seen what fruit they will yield, and more importantly, at what cost.
What is considered a serious offence ?
Had the same question.
And why would they need just a simple majority to extend a state of emergency? Rights are at stake..shouldnt this have some special majority?
Had the same concern.
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And why would they need just a simple majority to extend a state of emergency? Rights are at stake..shouldnt this have some special majority?
I imagine, the logic would be that the government has the mandate of the people to govern. Therefore, providing the controlling party is united, their will can be followed.
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So with all the 'arrests' they trumpeting... only 37% has been for gang-related activity? Interesting.... I was under the impression that they were the majority. Let's see how many of that 37% is actually convicted... or more worryingly, how long it takes to even bring them to trial. For those who are ready to say "who cares as long as they take gang members off the streets"... let me remind you of how ridiculously low the threshold has been set for one to be charged under the anti-gang law... and how much lower the SoE has made the standard for arrest for any crime, let alone gang-affiliation.
Suffice to say I have very little confidence in the quality of policing currently taking place. The numbers might be impressive at first glance, but it remains to be seen what fruit they will yield, and more importantly, at what cost.
What is considered a serious offence ?
Had the same question.
And why would they need just a simple majority to extend a state of emergency? Rights are at stake..shouldnt this have some special majority?
Had the same concern.
Subhas Panday was apologising on the radio this morning. He said that the law (anti-gang) was never intended to be used in a state of emergency situation. He was saying they hadn't considered the possibility. He seemed genuinely concerned. I guess the Government isn't totally united in this decision.
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Cufew in allyuh tail till 7th November.
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So apaprently T&TEC on strike so nobody have current. WASA goan strike next.
Serious ???
Have electricity in Curepe & St Joseph!
Residences or busineses with generators?
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Subhas Panday was apologising on the radio this morning. He said that the law (anti-gang) was never intended to be used in a state of emergency situation. He was saying they hadn't considered the possibility. He seemed genuinely concerned. I guess the Government isn't totally united in this decision.
In all fairness, I can appreciate that the concerns are legitimate... it is very difficult to project and account for every contingency or repercussion arising out of every action, and I would like to believe that no one foresaw the implementation of a SoE or how it would affect implementation of the law.
That said, this is why I have been cautioning all along against knee-jerk reaction to crime. My biggest concern with the anti-gang law were the loose and in some cases, overbroad definitions of what constitutes a crime under the law. This is in addition to the limitations placed on bail. It's not that I'm disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing... but police are generally not concerned with civil rights, just law enforcement. In many instances that desire to enforce the law is driven by quotas, promotions, personal glory and any number of factors unrelated to the genuine suppression of crime. Factor in a police force that treats many of a certain demographic with inherent suspicion and you have a remedy for illegal arrests.
Where there are improper/illegal arrests, the only way to remedy or mitigate the situation is to have a speedy review of the arrest. The only objective way to review the propriety of the arrest is via the judicial process. I say "objective" because typically the state, in the form of a supervising officer or the DPP would review whether charges should follow the arrest. The court then is supposed to offer a chance for the defendant to have a say and for an objective decision as to the merits of the charges to take place.
By extending the length of time a person can be incarcerated before bringing them before a magistrate we are delaying justice to not only that individual but for every other person charged with a crime because we are artificially overburdening and already overburdened court docket... we are making the system more inefficient. Same applies to denying them bail... jails should be for those who legitimately pose a threat to society, pre or post-conviction. Even if we make allowances for incarceration as punishment for those convicted of crimes which don't pose a threat to society, the point is that "lock them all up" is not a viable solution, not for fighting crime, not for the smooth functioning of the judicial system.
The anti-gang law and SoE are doing nothing to alleviate any of these concerns... and in fact only serves to exacerbate them.
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Subhas Panday was apologising on the radio this morning. He said that the law (anti-gang) was never intended to be used in a state of emergency situation. He was saying they hadn't considered the possibility. He seemed genuinely concerned. I guess the Government isn't totally united in this decision.
Where there are improper/illegal arrests, the only way to remedy or mitigate the situation is to have a speedy review of the arrest. The only objective way to review the propriety of the arrest is via the judicial process. I say "objective" because typically the state, in the form of a supervising officer or the DPP would review whether charges should follow the arrest. The court then is supposed to offer a chance for the defendant to have a say and for an objective decision as to the merits of the charges to take place.
That is exactly what Subhas Panday said as well.
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https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=161824547231827
stteeeeeeeeeeeuuuuuuuuupppppppppppssssssssssssss
ah cah take an extension!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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And why would they need just a simple majority to extend a state of emergency? Rights are at stake..shouldnt this have some special majority?
I was just discussing this with my neighbour. I found it strange that such an important matter would only need a simple majority.
But then I thought that maybe, just maybe, when the framer(s) of the constitution was putting it together, they envisioned that imposing a state of emergency would only be used like say in war time or like the coup or something THAT drastic. And therefore in the event that Parliament couldn't convene with most members then a simple majority would do.....I eh know I just speculating off the top ah mih head.
As for the extension, well on TV6's poll 87% of the people are in agreement with it. For once I am glad to be counted among the minority......Kamla, the AG and de rest ah she crew could rock so with this state of emergency....
Local based all yuh hear the ads dey running?? Imagine in the space of a week, dem get Ross to pull some sound bites from Kamla and Cowboy X and running dem as ads as if elections right around de corner.....these people for frigging real??!!
Steups!!
On a related note, I never knew Army have so many different vehicles. Ah seeing from Prado, to the big truck, to the medium jeeps, to basic Sedans....ah eh so many Army vehicles since....uuummm the Coup...
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wat is d status wit d FIU in dis thing. reason being the bank keep sending my brother (aint even hit 30 yet) letters (wit d FIU act stapled on) to provide proof of income and even after he supplies them with the documents somehow they go missing soon after...now i is ah man suspect motive wit dis govahment eh so ah watchin dem closely an mih brodda close tuh losin he patience..
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So now radio shows being shelved? Marcia Henville stated that she is off the air till next week....
"Marcia Henville
Hey people n loyal listeners of the BB/PD on Power 102FM...we're off air till, I believe, next week (ask no question, tell no lie). Till we next "meet", stand firm, courageous and honest.."
from her facebook page.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/QpqjBshdc-k
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So now radio shows being shelved? Marcia Henville stated that she is off the air till next week....
"Marcia Henville
Hey people n loyal listeners of the BB/PD on Power 102FM...we're off air till, I believe, next week (ask no question, tell no lie). Till we next "meet", stand firm, courageous and honest.."
from her facebook page.
Don't know this show. Is it controversial, anti government, what? Or is it just that staff can't get to station because of curfew?
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So now radio shows being shelved? Marcia Henville stated that she is off the air till next week....
"Marcia Henville
Hey people n loyal listeners of the BB/PD on Power 102FM...we're off air till, I believe, next week (ask no question, tell no lie). Till we next "meet", stand firm, courageous and honest.."
from her facebook page.
Don't know this show. Is it controversial, anti government, what? Or is it just that staff can't get to station because of curfew?
It have a PNM and a PP supporter,,Marcia has been mashing up de government over de SOE last week...
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So now radio shows being shelved? Marcia Henville stated that she is off the air till next week....
"Marcia Henville
Hey people n loyal listeners of the BB/PD on Power 102FM...we're off air till, I believe, next week (ask no question, tell no lie). Till we next "meet", stand firm, courageous and honest.."
from her facebook page.
Don't know this show. Is it controversial, anti government, what? Or is it just that staff can't get to station because of curfew?
It have a PNM and a PP supporter,,Marcia has been mashing up de government over de SOE last week...
Thats sounding like State controlling free speech. That can't be right. This ain't a dictatorship.
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http://pedrotercero.wordpress.com/2011/08/29/quick-english-what-ive-learnt-in-eight-days/ ---> what have we learnt in 8 days?
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Martial law is next on the agenda watch out T&T
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So now radio shows being shelved? Marcia Henville stated that she is off the air till next week....
"Marcia Henville
Hey people n loyal listeners of the BB/PD on Power 102FM...we're off air till, I believe, next week (ask no question, tell no lie). Till we next "meet", stand firm, courageous and honest.."
from her facebook page.
Don't know this show. Is it controversial, anti government, what? Or is it just that staff can't get to station because of curfew?
It have a PNM and a PP supporter,,Marcia has been mashing up de government over de SOE last week...
Thats sounding like State controlling free speech. That can't be right. This ain't a dictatorship.
If she could be perceived as inciting anti government activities then I think they could take action although I feel is the station owners get a message and take in front, like WIN tV and Crime watch
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Ok...got it cleared up.
They require a 3/5 majority to extend which is what they have. So its not just a simple majority.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/a_PNJESNpwY
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Ah like this interview with Dr. Amery Browne
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=L0uQPbaCchA
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Ok...got it cleared up.
They require a 3/5 majority to extend which is what they have. So its not just a simple majority.
No man.....to extend the SOE for a period past the initial 15 days they need to go to Parliament but a simple majority is needed (which they definitely have). They can then extend for 30 days minimum - 3 months max. After that they can go another 3 months (6 months in total) with a simple majority....
After the 6 month period THEN they will need the opposition's help to continue.....at least dais how I understand it.....if we could get the actual clause in the constitution that would be good.....
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Interesting discussion on I95.5 fm right now. Wayne Chance (former inmate and now head of Vision on a Mission), is revealing that word from inside the prisons is that dem fellas waiting to retaliate against the government when they get out....unfortunately that means is we, the man on de street dey goh be gunning for.....
They coming back to talk more just now....commercials on right now....
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Interesting discussion on I95.5 fm right now. Wayne Chance (former inmate and now head of Vision on a Mission), is revealing that word from inside the prisons is that dem fellas waiting to retaliate against the government when they get out....unfortunately that means is we, the man on de street dey goh be gunning for.....
They coming back to talk more just now....commercials on right now....
Heard this yesterday in the government press conference. They say they prepared for them :-[
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894 now arrested, significant weapons haul by soldiers
The Commissioner of Police, Mr Dwayne Gibbs, has confirmed 74 more arrests in the latest 24 hour operation which began at 8am on Monday and ended at 8am on Tuesday.
This brings the total number of persons arrested during the State of Emergency to 894. Commissioner Gibbs said of this total, 335 are being detained on gang related charges.
On the latest arrests, the Commissioner confirmed, "37 of them are gang-related, 2 in relation to homicide charges, 15 individuals arrested in regard to drug offences, 1 firearm related offence, 6 serious offences, and 13 outstanding warrants. We had 93 traffic occurrences. We seized 6 firearms and upwards of 600 rounds of assorted ammunition. This brings our total number of arrested individuals to 894, 335 are gang-related."
Also speaking at Tuesday's National Security Briefing, the Chief of Defence Staff, Brigadier Kenrick Maharaj, confirmed a significant weapons haul was made in Central Trinidad in the latest 24-hour operation.
"It was based on a tip to one of our serving members and a section of military personnel was deployed to that location rapidly and were able to unearth, literally: one pump action shotgun, one .22 rifle, five 7mm magazines, one 9mm magazine, telescope, 5 pistol holsters and a range of different types of ammunition amounting to 381 rounds. So it was in our supportive effort, a major success. I will assure the public it is a sign of things to come."
Brigadier Maharaj said that the scrap iron operations are continuing and soldiers recently seized 32,280 kilogrammes of scrap iron. The material was later searched by the Special Anti Crime Unit of Trinidad and Tobago.
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=31104&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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Interesting discussion on I95.5 fm right now. Wayne Chance (former inmate and now head of Vision on a Mission), is revealing that word from inside the prisons is that dem fellas waiting to retaliate against the government when they get out....unfortunately that means is we, the man on de street dey goh be gunning for.....
They coming back to talk more just now....commercials on right now....
Arresting and charging criminals are absolutely necessary and I support the police fully where that is concerned. The issue is under the circumstances these guys were charged and the actual charges they received aren't we going to run into the same problem when it comes to convicting them.
If it is true that these goons planning retribution then we better get it right and put them away or prepare for the impended threat.
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Arresting and charging criminals are absolutely necessary and I support the police fully where that is concerned. The issue is under the circumstances these guys were charged and the actual charges they received aren't we going to run into the same problem when it comes to convicting them.
If it is true that these goons planning retribution then we better get it right and put them away or prepare for the impended threat.
I don't know if you heard the discussion but Wayne was recounting a story he got from some one in either the Beetham or Laventille area. He said there was a guy on his way to the shop to get something and go home and police just came up and tried to put him the back of a van. A woman police officer who knew the man well enough to vouch for him, told the officers that this particular guy eh in nutten and that he is a good fella so he was released.
Now let's say the woman police officer was not there at the time?? This guy would have just been picked up and thrown in with the rest for who knows how long....according to the story eh....
Then there is another story of police coming into the area meeting a fella and started to ask him for a reputed gang leader (name called). The guy said he didn't know who the person was but they kept insisting that he knew the person and after some back and forth, arrested him and took him where ever....
But say what. These people are pests any way and deserve what dey getting. We will all be safer in 15 days or 3 months or 6 months and that's all that matters.....
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Yeah , that hard to deal with.
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Mothers plead sons’ innocence before court
Published: Wed, 2011-08-31 00:19
Derek Achong
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2011/08/31/mothers-plead-sons-innocence-court
Screams, tears and accusations of racial persecution were heard yesterday in the Port-of-Spain Magistrates’ Court as 33 men appeared in court accused of being gang members. Attorney Cecil Pope, representing two of the accused, told the court that it was only because of the colour of his clients’ skin that they were charged under the recently passed Anti-Gang Act. Pope said: “Persons are being arrested and charged at the whim and fancy of the police. If I was with my clients at the time, I would have been charged with being a gang member also.” Chief Magistrate Marcia Ayers-Caesar, presiding in the Eighth Magistrate’s Court, dismissed Pope’s claims saying the judicial system was not racist. Ayers-Caesar told Pope, a former magistrate, the court was the wrong forum for voicing such opinions. Of the 33 men all charged with being gang members under section 5 of the Act, 18 were accused of being members of the “Picton Road Gang”, while the others were accused of being members of the “Gonzales Gang” and “John Street Gang”, of Cocorite.
After the charges were read, one mother who was brought to tears, pleaded her son’s innocence. She said: “My son is no gangster. He works as a security guard. If he was involved in a gang I would have abandoned him and supported the officers who arrested him.” The men accused of being members of the Picton Road Gang included Kenneth James, Learie James, Olafeli Nurse, Andrin Maraj, Andrew William, Darrel James, Keston Thomas, Jesten Superville, Kern Charles, Francis Harford, Randy Joseph, Kendall Hayes, Mark Mohammed, Michael Hayley, Akeed Worrell, Lemel Guy, David Mitchell and Dave Mitchell. Another group of men arrested by Belmont police last Thursday also burst out into tears after the charge of being members of the “Gonzales Gang” was read to them. One of the men, Quincy Porter, claimed that he was on his way home from work at the Queen’s Park Savannah in preparation for today’s Independence Day celebrations when he was arrested.
Porter said: “I am from Laventille. How can I be a member of a gang in Gonzales when I don’t even live in that area.” The men were all remanded into custody and their matters were adjourned to dates in mid-September, much to the dismay of their attorneys who all pleaded for their clients’ matters to be expedited. Under the Anti-Gang Act, passed in Parliament on May 3, this year, persons charged with being members of gangs are to be remanded in custody for 120 days, after which they may apply to a judge in chambers for bail. Since the announcement of the state of emergency by Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar on August 21, more than 150 people have appeared in the Port-of-Spain Magistrates’ Court on gang related charges. Three men from Cocorite, Sea Lots and El Socorro have since appeared charged with being gang leaders. Cedric Burke, 36, of Sea Lots was accused of being the leader of a gang from Production Avenue, Sea Lots, while Devanand Singh, 42, of El Socorro was charged with being the leader of the “Devanand Gang”. Both men appeared before Ayers-Caesar on Monday. Last week Cocorite resident Jason Lewis was charged with being the leader of the “Water Hole Gang”. Burke, Singh and Lewis all face up to 25 years in prison if convicted, while gang members face a maximum sentence of ten years’ imprisonment.
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Of course, this may just be a coincidence...
Devanand Singh, 42, of El Socorro was charged with being the leader of the “Devanand Gang”.
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Mothers plead sons’ innocence before court
Published: Wed, 2011-08-31 00:19
Derek Achong
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2011/08/31/mothers-plead-sons-innocence-court
Screams, tears and accusations of racial persecution were heard yesterday in the Port-of-Spain Magistrates’ Court as 33 men appeared in court accused of being gang members. Attorney Cecil Pope, representing two of the accused, told the court that it was only because of the colour of his clients’ skin that they were charged under the recently passed Anti-Gang Act. Pope said: “Persons are being arrested and charged at the whim and fancy of the police. If I was with my clients at the time, I would have been charged with being a gang member also.” Chief Magistrate Marcia Ayers-Caesar, presiding in the Eighth Magistrate’s Court, dismissed Pope’s claims saying the judicial system was not racist. Ayers-Caesar told Pope, a former magistrate, the court was the wrong forum for voicing such opinions. Of the 33 men all charged with being gang members under section 5 of the Act, 18 were accused of being members of the “Picton Road Gang”, while the others were accused of being members of the “Gonzales Gang” and “John Street Gang”, of Cocorite.
After the charges were read, one mother who was brought to tears, pleaded her son’s innocence. She said: “My son is no gangster. He works as a security guard. If he was involved in a gang I would have abandoned him and supported the officers who arrested him.” The men accused of being members of the Picton Road Gang included Kenneth James, Learie James, Olafeli Nurse, Andrin Maraj, Andrew William, Darrel James, Keston Thomas, Jesten Superville, Kern Charles, Francis Harford, Randy Joseph, Kendall Hayes, Mark Mohammed, Michael Hayley, Akeed Worrell, Lemel Guy, David Mitchell and Dave Mitchell. Another group of men arrested by Belmont police last Thursday also burst out into tears after the charge of being members of the “Gonzales Gang” was read to them. One of the men, Quincy Porter, claimed that he was on his way home from work at the Queen’s Park Savannah in preparation for today’s Independence Day celebrations when he was arrested.
Porter said: “I am from Laventille. How can I be a member of a gang in Gonzales when I don’t even live in that area.” The men were all remanded into custody and their matters were adjourned to dates in mid-September, much to the dismay of their attorneys who all pleaded for their clients’ matters to be expedited. Under the Anti-Gang Act, passed in Parliament on May 3, this year, persons charged with being members of gangs are to be remanded in custody for 120 days, after which they may apply to a judge in chambers for bail. Since the announcement of the state of emergency by Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar on August 21, more than 150 people have appeared in the Port-of-Spain Magistrates’ Court on gang related charges. Three men from Cocorite, Sea Lots and El Socorro have since appeared charged with being gang leaders. Cedric Burke, 36, of Sea Lots was accused of being the leader of a gang from Production Avenue, Sea Lots, while Devanand Singh, 42, of El Socorro was charged with being the leader of the “Devanand Gang”. Both men appeared before Ayers-Caesar on Monday. Last week Cocorite resident Jason Lewis was charged with being the leader of the “Water Hole Gang”. Burke, Singh and Lewis all face up to 25 years in prison if convicted, while gang members face a maximum sentence of ten years’ imprisonment.
Alright....now we getting somewhere. That "anti-gang act" dread boy. Once the charge is being in a gang, they could hold yuh for 120 days before yuh could get bail? Before yuh get a trial? Serious shit. So ah babylon could see yuh walking on the street, hold yuh, charge you with being in a gang jess so and before yuh know it yuh in jail for 4 months? Not sure if I like this aspect of that law. Thats skewing justice toward the police. Not good. I wonder what is the criteria for being in a gang?
At least they calling gang names. Was wondering how they arresting men for being in gangs but the gangs not being identified. I kinda feel like I woulda make my name in Trinidad now if I was a lawyer.
My biggest question is, if they had all this info. on people before that they could now go and just rounds them up (all kinda warrants and murder charges outstanding they calling) what the frig was preventing them from holding these people before??
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Bourbon, yuh see what ah was saying.....
3-month extension for SoE
By Ria Taitt Political Editor
The State of Emergency is to be extended for three months.
Once the extension is approved by a simple majority in the House of Representatives it would mean that the State of Emergency is legally in force until midnight on November 6, unless Government decides to lift it before that time. It will end on November 7.
A motion is to come to the House of Representatives on Friday asking the House to agree that the State of Emergency be extended for a period not exceeding three months.
Three months is the maximum time under the Constitution that the State of Emergency can be extended, before the (initial)15-day period, that the President has the power to impose. The State of Emergency began on August 22. The 15-day period ends on September 5. The extension would begin therefore on September 6 and end on November 6.
On Friday, the House will therefore debate two motions. The first motion will ask the House to debate the specific grounds on which the decision to declare a State of Emergency was based, according to Section 1 (9) of the Trinidad and Tobago Constitution. The House of Representatives does not approve this motion, it merely debates the resolution.
The second motion is the motion to extend the State of Emergency. This motion must be approved by a majority of MPs. As Government has a comfortable majority 29/12, it is expected that this motion would be carried with, or without the support of the Opposition PNM.
Under the Constitution the Government can extend a State of Emergency more than once, but the extension in the aggregate must not exceed six months.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/3-month_extension_for_SoE-128722713.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/3-month_extension_for_SoE-128722713.html)
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My biggest question is, if they had all this info. on people before that they could now go and just rounds them up (all kinda warrants and murder charges outstanding they calling) what the frig was preventing them from holding these people before??
This is the same question Keith Rowley has been asking since the SoE started but nobody eh want to hear he and the PNM by extension....is dem get we in this crap so dey just being hypocritical......
He (Rowley) has been saying that this draconian piece of legislation was debated over and worked on for many months. Plenty back and forth because of hthe very concerns you raised...as the potential to infringe on people's rights. And now that its finally in place, instead we get and SoE to deal with gangs....
Also, the answer to your question lies in a little discourse Football Supporter and I had earlier in this thread.....with the Anti-gang bill in place the government using some legal maneuvering to hold people (via the SoE) and charge them under the legislation.....I think earlier this week or late last week Subhas Panday, who was in the cabinet at the time the law was drafted, said he never expected the law to be used in this manner.......but he coming off kinda hypocritical too....
To be honest I didn't pay the law much attention when the debate was raging but I do remember the concerns people had about it......
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On a positive note....I think....
Soldiers keep it cool
By Gyasi Gonzales
REPUTED to be the "meanest of the bunch", the Trinidad and Tobago Regiment's approach to policing turned out to be something much different during a "tour" of Chaguanas on Monday night.
With three photo journalists and one television cameraman, "embedded" with the troops, the regiment officers drove through the borough, armed to the teeth with machine guns and emergency laws but instead of belligerence there was a lot of understanding.
From around 9 p.m. the party departed its Port of Spain installation and headed to the populous borough as the regiment wanted to show the public "its" version of a patrol, apparently having grown tired of seeing blue, "police kits" dominating newspaper front pages.
Several cars were stopped.
Some had curfew passes while others had really good explanations for breaking the one-week-old emergency laws such as, heading to the police station, heading to the health centre or heading home after picking up relatives at the airport.
One curfew breaker was found lying on the pavement along the Montrose Main Road, however.
Roughly, he was told to get up.
He tried but then he staggered as the officers quickly grabbed him, and after realising his situation, they ordered all members of the military and media party not to expose the would-be curfew breaker to any open flames.
They then made the decision to deliver the man to the Chaguanas Police Station but the sight of a roving ambulance quickly caused a change of those plans and the lucky gentleman was instead taken to the Chaguanas Health Centre by ambulance personnel.
"If he only know how lucky he is that we he bounce up," one soldier was heard telling another as they laughed among themselves.
Another curfew breaker on foot was spotted lower down the Montrose Main Road near the entrance to Longdenville.
He had a duffel bag in hand. Stopped and told that he was violating the curfew the man pleaded not to be taken to jail. "Sir, you can be charged for what you are doing," barked the lone female soldier on the tour.
He gesticulated wildly with his hands and even dipped into his bag to show the soldiers that he had nothing to hide.
"Listen, sir. Make up yuh mind is either yuh going home or in the station. Yuh have a choice," said the female officer. In the end he was bundled into the unmarked military SUV and taken back to his house in Ravine Sable. Residents could be seen peering from their homes anytime the regiment party stopped. No one dared say anything.
Chaguanas pot hounds, on the other hand, seemed to be the only ones emboldened by the State of Emergency as on many an occasion one had to drive around them as they lay fast asleep in the middle of the road.
Some even tried to bite the tyres off the military vehicles as they passed.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Soldiers_keep_it_cool-128722658.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Soldiers_keep_it_cool-128722658.html)
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I have a friend, who's friend was arrested in connection to a robbery. She went bto his house after to make sure his stuff was secure. Police/Army had searched his house. Although it was clear there had been a search, she said, the place was not messed up and there was no damage. It appeared that respect had taken place with regards to his property. At least this refutes some of the reports of police mashing up places.
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Alright....now we getting somewhere. That "anti-gang act" dread boy. Once the charge is being in a gang, they could hold yuh for 120 days before yuh could get bail? Before yuh get a trial? Serious shit. So ah babylon could see yuh walking on the street, hold yuh, charge you with being in a gang jess so and before yuh know it yuh in jail for 4 months? Not sure if I like this aspect of that law. Thats skewing justice toward the police. Not good. I wonder what is the criteria for being in a gang?
At least they calling gang names. Was wondering how they arresting men for being in gangs but the gangs not being identified. I kinda feel like I woulda make my name in Trinidad now if I was a lawyer.
My biggest question is, if they had all this info. on people before that they could now go and just rounds them up (all kinda warrants and murder charges outstanding they calling) what the frig was preventing them from holding these people before??
Allyuh men MIA... I started to sound like a broken record, but since they propose this law I was opposed to it because it results in a de facto jail sentence before trial. Imagine if any of these men really innocent? 4 mos jail for nutten, in some cases yuh end up losing yuh wuk... which employer holding a job fuh yuh fuh four months?
... and the dotish ass magistrate "the judicial system not racist"... that's not what the lawyer was saying, he saying they getting arrested because of their race, the police and them profiling is what he said.
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so in essence TnT is now a police state and with this suffocation of rights it seems as if the esteemed AG is on track to change the constitution.
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Lets just sit back and watch de ride. Cuz I thinking..if it working....den why the need to extend?
If the big fish and all the guns and ammo getting held.....then why extend?
But....we go see.
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so in essence TnT is now a police state and with this suffocation of rights it seems as if the esteemed AG is on track to change the constitution.
It is.
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so in essence TnT is now a police state and with this suffocation of rights it seems as if the esteemed AG is on track to change the constitution.
It seems the view from govt is simple. You have an infected foot, so lets cut the whole leg off. There may be collatteral damage, but we got the poison. They used the carefully constructed anti gang laws under the SOE. This combines two powerful pieces of legislation, but removes civil rights. And nobody can complain too loud, because under an SOE you cannot form organised protests in the street, and you daren't start a facebook revoloution.
I previously stated that the ends justified the means, and Bakes criticised that opinion. I'm thinking now, that if this continues for 3 months, he may be right. I understood that maybe one or two innocent guys would get locked up, but with the lack of proper information, its likely that a lot more innocent people could be detained.
We need information such as "Mr X was found with proceeds from a robbery" "Mr Y's fingerprints were on a seized weapon" "Mr Z was photographed handing over money in exchange for 1 kilo of cocaine"
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Bourbon, yuh see what ah was saying.....
3-month extension for SoE
By Ria Taitt Political Editor
The State of Emergency is to be extended for three months.
Once the extension is approved by a simple majority Under the Constitution the Government can extend a State of Emergency more than once, but the extension in the aggregate must not exceed six months.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/3-month_extension_for_SoE-128722713.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/3-month_extension_for_SoE-128722713.html)
Has this extension passed? or still to be passed?
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It seems the view from govt is simple. You have an infected foot, so lets cut the whole leg off. There may be collatteral damage, but we got the poison. They used the carefully constructed anti gang laws under the SOE. This combines two powerful pieces of legislation, but removes civil rights. And nobody can complain too loud, because under an SOE you cannot form organised protests in the street, and you daren't start a facebook revoloution.
I previously stated that the ends justified the means, and Bakes criticised that opinion. I'm thinking now, that if this continues for 3 months, he may be right. I understood that maybe one or two innocent guys would get locked up, but with the lack of proper information, its likely that a lot more innocent people could be detained.
We need information such as "Mr X was found with proceeds from a robbery" "Mr Y's fingerprints were on a seized weapon" "Mr Z was photographed handing over money in exchange for 1 kilo of cocaine"
I see you keep crediting the anti-gang law as being "carefully constructed" to protect civil rights... I was tempted to respond in the main forum, but will do so now. There was nothing at all 'careful' about the legislation, unless you want to argue that it was carefully crafted to score cheap political points. The legislation is what we would call here in the US, "vague and overbroad". It is vague in that it isn't entirely clear what constitutes a crime under the legislation. It is overbroad because even law-abiding citizens going about their business can be caught up in the sweep.
Additionally, it does nothing to safeguard civil rights because it is possible to evade judicial review for up to 4 months. Four months may not sound like a lot, but who wants to give up four months of freedom... any volunteers? Worse yet, who wants to spend it behind bars in Trinidad, where prisoners are beaten an abused on a daily basis... and that's just by the prison officers, not counting what happens when they turn their backs. And no, I not making this up... a boyhood pardna of mine is a prisons officer and that man tell me officers does break down on the regular from the things they does have to do and forced to see happening behind bars. Imagine how it is for the prisoners.
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It seems the view from govt is simple. You have an infected foot, so lets cut the whole leg off. There may be collatteral damage, but we got the poison. They used the carefully constructed anti gang laws under the SOE. This combines two powerful pieces of legislation, but removes civil rights. And nobody can complain too loud, because under an SOE you cannot form organised protests in the street, and you daren't start a facebook revoloution.
I previously stated that the ends justified the means, and Bakes criticised that opinion. I'm thinking now, that if this continues for 3 months, he may be right. I understood that maybe one or two innocent guys would get locked up, but with the lack of proper information, its likely that a lot more innocent people could be detained.
We need information such as "Mr X was found with proceeds from a robbery" "Mr Y's fingerprints were on a seized weapon" "Mr Z was photographed handing over money in exchange for 1 kilo of cocaine"
I see you keep crediting the anti-gang law as being "carefully constructed" to protect civil rights... I was tempted to respond in the main forum, but will do so now. There was nothing at all 'careful' about the legislation, unless you want to argue that it was carefully crafted to score cheap political points. The legislation is what we would call here in the US, "vague and overbroad". It is vague in that it isn't entirely clear what constitutes a crime under the legislation. It is overbroad because even law-abiding citizens going about their business can be caught up in the sweep.
Additionally, it does nothing to safeguard civil rights because it is possible to evade judicial review for up to 4 months. Four months may not sound like a lot, but who wants to give up four months of freedom... any volunteers? Worse yet, who wants to spend it behind bars in Trinidad, where prisoners are beaten an abused on a daily basis... and that's just by the prison officers, not counting what happens when they turn their backs. And no, I not making this up... a boyhood pardna of mine is a prisons officer and that man tell me officers does break down on the regular from the things they does have to do and forced to see happening behind bars. Imagine how it is for the prisoners.
By carefully crafted, I was referring to the cross party agreements when constructing the law. Although you are correct on the detention, as I understand it, there has to be certain requirements to initiate arrests, which have been removed under the SOE. I was in no way stating that the anti gang law was a perfect piece of legislation, but merely that the checks and balances forced by the PNM have all been swept aside under the SOE. This is why the PNM are saying they would never have supported the AGL if they could of foreseen an SOE. And lets be honest, who amongst us foresaw a State of Emergency just to tackle crime?
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Bourbon, yuh see what ah was saying.....
3-month extension for SoE
By Ria Taitt Political Editor
The State of Emergency is to be extended for three months.
Once the extension is approved by a simple majority Under the Constitution the Government can extend a State of Emergency more than once, but the extension in the aggregate must not exceed six months.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/3-month_extension_for_SoE-128722713.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/3-month_extension_for_SoE-128722713.html)
Has this extension passed? or still to be passed?
we'll know by friday for sure
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Bourbon, yuh see what ah was saying.....
3-month extension for SoE
By Ria Taitt Political Editor
The State of Emergency is to be extended for three months.
Once the extension is approved by a simple majority Under the Constitution the Government can extend a State of Emergency more than once, but the extension in the aggregate must not exceed six months.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/3-month_extension_for_SoE-128722713.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/3-month_extension_for_SoE-128722713.html)
Has this extension passed? or still to be passed?
Still to be passed Dutty but its a foregone conclusion with the government having a simple majority and does not need opposition support. What would be interesting is the debate in Parliament on Friday coming. Because from what I understand, the Government is supposed to state the exact reasons for calling a SoE. However, I think I heard reports that the government has stated that the reason is confidential for sake of National Security, so I eh expecting to hear anything more than the usual BS, and bluffing....
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http://www.youtube.com/v/a_PNJESNpwY
:rotfl: :rotfl:
This SoE is wwwwwaaaayyyyy more entertaining than the last one.... ;D
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By carefully crafted, I was referring to the cross party agreements when constructing the law. Although you are correct on the detention, as I understand it, there has to be certain requirements to initiate arrests, which have been removed under the SOE. I was in no way stating that the anti gang law was a perfect piece of legislation, but merely that the checks and balances forced by the PNM have all been swept aside under the SOE. This is why the PNM are saying they would never have supported the AGL if they could of foreseen an SOE. And lets be honest, who amongst us foresaw a State of Emergency just to tackle crime?
"Cross party agreements"?? I'm not trying to be picky, but let's be real here the PNM has 12 seats in what... a 41 seat Parliament? The PP rammed thru this legislation and when Rowley and them started raising concerns about it the PP started accusing them of essentially being in league with the gangs, alleging that gangs came to prominence thru the contracts awarded under the Manning government.
I don't know of any checks and balances in the legislation, all the police have to say is that you're a gang member, you don't have to wear gang colors/uniform, tattoos, be known for gang affiliation, hold yourself out as a gang member etc.
Those are your "requirements to initiate arrests". The PNM had no choice but to support it, especially since the PP majority was set to pass it without their votes. PNM was not in any position to force any concessions, or "checks and balances" as you put it. I don't think I'm playing party politics to say that this is all on the PP government.
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so they arrest robocop today, in a expensive apartment complex , they find maps and pictures of the A.G and kamala with X on them and pictures of they security detail.
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Robocop arrested
A major crackdown at the upscale One Woodbrook Place Apartment Complex on Tuesday night has led to the arrest of Selwyn "Robocop" Alexis.
Mr Alexis was held along with a 36 year old female associate at the multi-million dollar luxury complex in Woodbook.
Police told C News that he can assist them in their investigation into the 2008 murder of a Vincentian national, gang-related activities and possession of stolen vehicles found in the basement of One Woodbrook Place.
Investigative sources say the 45-year old man had been under surveillance for some months but operations intensified in the last couple weeks.
At around 8pm on Tuesday, officers kicked down the door of the 4th floor apartment. Mr Alexis was sitting in the living area watching TV at the time, while the woman was in the bedroom.
The armed forces spent an hour and a half searching the fully-furnished condo. They seized a laptop and several documents.
A hand-cuffed Alexis was then taken down to the basement carpark where investigators dusted and searched a black Toyota SUV and a Silver Nissan B14.
At 10:30pm he was escorted out of the building, but not before he passed under the glare of camera lights. He was then hauled off in a waiting police vehicle to the Woodbrook Police Station.
The highly sophisticated operation included 20 officers. It was spearheaded by Senior Superintendent John Martinez, ASP Radcliffe and Sargeant Emrol Bruce.
During the operation, the entire One Woodbrook Place Apartment Complex was on lockdown.
Mr Alexis is said to have been living at the upscale aparment complex for some time. He was renting the apartment for around $10-15,000 per month.
The owners are said to have been unaware of the identity of their tenant since the transaction was conducted through a real estate agent. Sources also said it is also "unlikely" that the management of the parent company, HCL, would have been aware that the alexis was housed in Tower 2.
Alexis was recently in the news over "landgrabbing" at Cashew Gardens.
Last year, he and two others were discharged by a Magistrate at the Tunapuna Magistrates' Court on charges of kidnapping, robbery, larceny and receiving stolen goods.
He was also before the Port of Spain Third Criminal Court alongside others on charges of kidnapping and assaulting Sangre Grande jeweller, Mr Henry Francis, from his home on June 9th, 2002.
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=31168&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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so they arrest robocop today, in a expensive apartment complex , they find maps and pictures of the A.G and kamala with X on them and pictures of they security detail.
i doubt.
on the news they said they found nothing in the apartment and nothing in d car
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so they arrest robocop today, in a expensive apartment complex , they find maps and pictures of the A.G and kamala with X on them and pictures of they security detail.
i doubt.
on the news they said they found nothing in the apartment and nothing in d car
not on TV6 on CNC3 they said that , also the article above states "The armed forces spent an hour and a half searching the fully-furnished condo. They seized a laptop and several documents."
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so they arrest robocop today, in a expensive apartment complex , they find maps and pictures of the A.G and kamala with X on them and pictures of they security detail.
that sounds made up :-\
glad they hold him though. his name has been calling in illegal activity for years. lets see if the police has enough evidence to charge him this time
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so they arrest robocop today, in a expensive apartment complex , they find maps and pictures of the A.G and kamala with X on them and pictures of they security detail.
that sounds made up :-\
For real eh, but we go see. They say Robocop phone calls were being monitored before they hold him. And found photos of the PM and Attorney General residence and security details with X marked on the faces of the PM and Attorney General. I guess tomorrow we will hear more.
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so they arrest robocop today, in a expensive apartment complex , they find maps and pictures of the A.G and kamala with X on them and pictures of they security detail.
that sounds made up :-\
For real eh, but we go see. They say Robocop phone calls were being monitored before they hold him. And found photos of the PM and Attorney General residence and security details with X marked on the faces of the PM and Attorney General. I guess tomorrow we will hear more.
ah sorry but dat sounding too made up...ah X on dey face? steups...wheel and come again...daz d best dey coulda plant on d man? somebody watchin too much Criminal Minds...i believe d tv6 report cuz mark bassant was directly interfacing with the police in d building during and after the searches...cnc3 jus lookin for excitement i feel..
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I also don't see what this have to do with the SoE... especially since they say they watching him for months... surprise they ent start trumpeting the "Big Fish" talk yet. The PP will use all these numbers to try and say that the SoE has been a success when in truth nobody tracking which arrests are truly related to it or not.
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Robocop need pics and ting of Kamla and Anand to perform a hit?
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Robocop need pics and ting of Kamla and Anand to perform a hit?
yea. i think the journalists in this country like to take us for fools. the sad thing is alot of people tend to believe that kinda nonsense
ill be the first to say i was wrong if indeed they found those pics. but i HIGHLY DOUBT i would have the cause to do that
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They lock up two youth men up by me and tell them they is gang member. ???
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Soooooo the Real Estate Agent didn't do a back ground check?? hhhhhmmmm.....when I was looking for a place to rent my landlords did reference check and credit check on me and ting....
Maybe dem thing doh apply to upscale residences?? ??? :-\ This story need more people.....
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They lock up two youth men up by me and tell them they is gang member. ???
Nice I hope they lock up sum more and keep dem dey..
war
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Plot against PM, AG, National Security Minister
Thursday, September 1 2011
Security forces have found evidence of plots against the lives of Prime Minister Kamla Persad- Bissessar, Attorney General Anand Ramlogan and Minister of National Security Brigadier John Sandy.
During an exercise at an apartment complex in Port-of-Spain late Tuesday night, officers of a police unit, found photographs of Persad-Bissessar, Sandy and Ramlogan, with crosses drawn over their faces. Inflammatory words were written on the photographs.
Sources said Persad-Bissessar, Sandy and Ramlogan were briefed yesterday by intelligence officers about the find and a possible plot against their lives.
The top three leaders in the Government were given clear instructions on new safety measures for them in light of the discovery. When contacted yesterday, all three declined to comment on the matter.
Newsday understands suspects were detained for questioning about the discovery of the photographs.
http://www.newsday.co.tt/news/0,146530.html
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PM, AG targets in assassination?
Story Created: Sep 1, 2011 at 6:18 AM ECT
SECURITY for Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar and Attorney General Anand Ramlogan has been placed on high alert after police raided an apartment at the exclusive multimillion-dollar One Woodbrook Place and found images of both officials.
Police sources said images of the homes of Persad-Bissessar and Ramlogan and their security detail were also discovered at the two-bedroom apartment in which Selwyn "Robocop" Alexis and Hermala Solomon, 36, of Longdenville, Chaguanas, were arrested. Some of the images, police said, had an "X" over the faces of Persad-Bissessar and Ramlogan.
Several specially trained and heavily armed and masked officers from the Criminal Intelligence Unit (CIU) stormed an apartment on the fourth floor of the high-rise complex and raided Alexis's apartment on Tuesday night.
A senior People's National Movement Opposition (PNM) figure and a High Court judge, police said, also own apartments on the same floor where Alexis had been living over the past four months.
Persad-Bissessar yesterday said she was aware of Alexis' arrest, which she described as a significant step in the fight against crime. Asked specifically if she was aware of reports that an assassination plot against her had been uncovered by police, she said no.
Speaking to members of the media after an Independence Day Defence Force function at the National Academy for the Performing Arts (NAPA) in Port of Spain, Persad-Bissessar said, at that time, she wasn't informed of any possible assassination plot.
She added, "Every wanted person arrested is of significance to me, whether it be Robocop or any other. I applaud the efforts of our law enforcement officers in finding, apprehending this much sought-after individual. This is yet another indication that the measures being deployed are in the national interest."
Asked if the arrest of Alexis is a signal that the Government was going behind the "big fish", Persad-Bissessar said, "I am so advised that this is a major arrest that has been made."
When contacted, Ramlogan also declined comment, and attempts to reach National Security Minister Brigadier John Sandy for comment on the issue proved futile as calls to his cellphone went unanswered.
Deputy Commissioner of Police in charge of Anti-Crime Operations Mervyn Richardson said yesterday that police had been working on intelligence for quite some time, which led them to the high rise apartments shortly after 7 p.m. on Tuesday.
A senior Government source told the Express that some time yesterday, Persad-Bissessar and Ramlogan were briefed about Tuesday night's raid at Robocop's apartment, during an emergency meeting which was also attended by Minister Sandy, Commissioner of Police Dwayne Gibbs and Chief of Defence Staff Brigadier Kenrick Maharaj.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/PM__AG_targets_in_assassination_-128870038.html
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ah sorry but dat sounding too made up...ah X on dey face? steups...wheel and come again...daz d best dey coulda plant on d man? somebody watchin too much Criminal Minds
:D
criminal minds too new....dais ting we use to see on Kojak and Hart 2 Hart when we was small
Trinis could conjure up nonsense oui
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i honestly dont believe that photos story. but if its true, then robocop is ah real dumbass
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i honestly dont believe that photos story. but if its true, then robocop is ah real dumbass
This could be verified easily. What is Robocop charged for ?
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i honestly dont believe that photos story. but if its true, then robocop is ah real dumbass
This could be verified easily. What is Robocop charged for ?
Since they tryin to hol he for years, dey go hadda pin him wit someting....even if dey find him wit de gun dat kill JFK, I good wit dat
Right now he should be charged heavily with poor sense of fashion oh gord man he wearin de same doppa since de 1990's
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They lock up two youth men up by me and tell them they is gang member. ???
Nice I hope they lock up sum more and keep dem dey..
war
Jus lock up innocent youth men? you have to be stupid.
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Wha wrong with allyuh? Isn't it a good thing that the man geh hold? Yet, people talking about planting evidence this and that, casting aspersions for no reason. Saying, thing sound like a fairy tale with pics etc. schueps. When they come with M1 and start blasting that's not a fairly tale though? A crook get hold be glad nah. scheups.
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They lock up two youth men up by me and tell them they is gang member. ???
Nice I hope they lock up sum more and keep dem dey..
war
Jus lock up innocent youth men? you have to be stupid.
In the next thread he calls the police criminals. In this thread random youths are also criminals. You must read his posts , thought provoking stuff.
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Trinidad rell facking joky eh boi.. This facking man call robocup aint have no facking job and living life dat big? I wonder if he paying taxes? TNT rell joky boi.. dont worry di jammet guh tek he bail and he guh touch road again and nuff indian guh start get Kidnapp... Trinidad rell joky boi.. But on a real tip I better tek dung Obama Picture from mi house before Immigration pay mi a visit eh.. I mean I eh have no X on it but a have a picture with him holding a bat and biting he tounge dey might see dat as dangerous though..
war
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Wha wrong with allyuh? Isn't it a good thing that the man geh hold? Yet, people talking about planting evidence this and that, casting aspersions for no reason. Saying, thing sound like a fairy tale with pics etc. schueps. When they come with M1 and start blasting that's not a fairly tale though? A crook get hold be glad nah. scheups.
Absolutely yes it is good that he was arrested. But this wasn't the same guy who was openly supporting protests with squatters a few months back. That was a different Robocop ?
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One would have thought that they would have determined who the apartment belonged to BEFORE the raid.
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Wha wrong with allyuh? Isn't it a good thing that the man geh hold? Yet, people talking about planting evidence this and that, casting aspersions for no reason. Saying, thing sound like a fairy tale with pics etc. schueps. When they come with M1 and start blasting that's not a fairly tale though? A crook get hold be glad nah. scheups.
Absolutely yes it is good that he was arrested. But this wasn't the same guy who was openly supporting protests with squatters a few months back. That was a different Robocop ?
I don't know if it was but to imply that the police plant the evidence? Come on man. If this is a legitimate plot then we should be more pissed at that.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/koVog7qAO8g
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http://www.youtube.com/v/koVog7qAO8g
BIG TUNEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Wha wrong with allyuh? Isn't it a good thing that the man geh hold? Yet, people talking about planting evidence this and that, casting aspersions for no reason. Saying, thing sound like a fairy tale with pics etc. schueps. When they come with M1 and start blasting that's not a fairly tale though? A crook get hold be glad nah. scheups.
Absolutely yes it is good that he was arrested. But this wasn't the same guy who was openly supporting protests with squatters a few months back. That was a different Robocop ?
I don't know if it was but to imply that the police plant the evidence? Come on man. If this is a legitimate plot then we should be more pissed at that.
I'm not saying the police planted anything. I'm saying I didn't know he was hiding.
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Wha wrong with allyuh? Isn't it a good thing that the man geh hold? Yet, people talking about planting evidence this and that, casting aspersions for no reason. Saying, thing sound like a fairy tale with pics etc. schueps. When they come with M1 and start blasting that's not a fairly tale though? A crook get hold be glad nah. scheups.
Absolutely yes it is good that he was arrested. But this wasn't the same guy who was openly supporting protests with squatters a few months back. That was a different Robocop ?
Yeah I know you didn't say or imply that. I'm not referencing you with the police plant comment.
I don't know if it was but to imply that the police plant the evidence? Come on man. If this is a legitimate plot then we should be more pissed at that.
I'm not saying the police planted anything. I'm saying I didn't know he was hiding.
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SoE Operational update: 167 new arrests
Thursday 1st September, 2011
The Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Communications, in its latest update on the State of Emergency has confirmed that over the last 24 hours, a total of 167 were arrested.
The Ministry said of the total arrests within the latest 24 hour period, "27 were gang related, 1 homicide, 35 drug related, 2 persons were arrested for firearm related charges, 59 persons were arrested for outstanding warrants, 5 were arrested for breach of curfew, 22 were arrested for traffic offences, with 96 tickets issued and 13 persons were arrested for other serious offences.
Three others were arrested for other offences. One firearm and fifteen rounds of ammunition were also seized.
To date, a total of 1143 persons have been arrested, with 366 arrests related to gangs, 216 related to drug offences, 228 related to outstanding warrants, 181 related to other serious offences, 82 related to breach of curfew, and 30 related to homicide.
Additionally, the Coast Guard acting on intelligence seized a vessel with 2 male Trinidadians along with two 2 male Jamaicans and confiscated a quantity of cocaine with a street value of $3.2 million dollars on board the vessel."
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=31190&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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Yuh know, the alignment of Foreign Affairs with Communications presents all sorts of intrigue.
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lol 2 PTSC Guards stealing from the company 2 years. Get catch in road block , DVD PLAYER TV etc
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lol 2 PTSC Guards stealing from the company 2 years. Get catch in road block , DVD PLAYER TV etc
Who going to guard the guards??.....*smh*
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lol 2 PTSC Guards stealing from the company 2 years. Get catch in road block , DVD PLAYER TV etc
Who going to guard the guards??.....*smh*
PTSC security officers held with stolen items
Police have discovered what they are describing as several stolen items during a roadblock exercise along the Beetham Highway just after 5am on Thursday.
Among the items discovered were several sneakers and boots, LCD monitors, and a car DVD player.
They were discovered when the police pulled aside a Nissan Almera being driven by a man identified as a security officer with the Public Transport Service Corporation (PTSC). His passenger is also a security officer with the PTSC.
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=31214&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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lol 2 PTSC Guards stealing from the company 2 years. Get catch in road block , DVD PLAYER TV etc
Who going to guard the guards??.....*smh*
PTSC security officers held with stolen items
Police have discovered what they are describing as several stolen items during a roadblock exercise along the Beetham Highway just after 5am on Thursday.
Among the items discovered were several sneakers and boots, LCD monitors, and a car DVD player.
They were discovered when the police pulled aside a Nissan Almera being driven by a man identified as a security officer with the Public Transport Service Corporation (PTSC). His passenger is also a security officer with the PTSC.
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=31214&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
I swear is like Almeras are the vehicle of choice for criminals
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SoE Operational update: 167 new arrests
Thursday 1st September, 2011
The Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Communications, in its latest update on the State of Emergency has confirmed that over the last 24 hours, a total of 167 were arrested.
The Ministry said of the total arrests within the latest 24 hour period, "27 were gang related, 1 homicide, 35 drug related, 2 persons were arrested for firearm related charges, 59 persons were arrested for outstanding warrants, 5 were arrested for breach of curfew, 22 were arrested for traffic offences, with 96 tickets issued and 13 persons were arrested for other serious offences.
Three others were arrested for other offences. One firearm and fifteen rounds of ammunition were also seized.
To date, a total of 1143 persons have been arrested, with 366 arrests related to gangs, 216 related to drug offences, 228 related to outstanding warrants, 181 related to other serious offences, 82 related to breach of curfew, and 30 related to homicide.
Additionally, the Coast Guard acting on intelligence seized a vessel with 2 male Trinidadians along with two 2 male Jamaicans and confiscated a quantity of cocaine with a street value of $3.2 million dollars on board the vessel."
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=31190&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Our population is what 1.5million or so? over 2 weeks they catch 228 people with outstanding warrants?? Thats frightening. If supposedly all these criminals located in "hotspots" why the hell so much man walking around with warrants? Is like police in them areas could just reach out and grab somebody and chances are..warrant..hold him!
Is it that because of the SOE men staying home so police just rolling up to dey house and dragging them outta bed?
Is this whole exercise an success or an indictment of the police???
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Our population is what 1.5million or so? over 2 weeks they catch 228 people with outstanding warrants?? Thats frightening. If supposedly all these criminals located in "hotspots" why the hell so much man walking around with warrants? Is like police in them areas could just reach out and grab somebody and chances are..warrant..hold him!
Is it that because of the SOE men staying home so police just rolling up to dey house and dragging them outta bed?
Is this whole exercise an success or an indictment of the police???
Just because there's a warrant for a man's arrest that doesn't mean that he's a 'criminal'.
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lol 2 PTSC Guards stealing from the company 2 years. Get catch in road block , DVD PLAYER TV etc
seee the SOE wukkin dey ketchin all kinda teef
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AH BACK IN CURFEW COUNTRY
Jah is d same Robocup.
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http://www.trinidadexpress.com/commentaries/Emergency_explanation-128972553.html
Emergency explanation
Story Created: Sep 1, 2011 at 11:35 PM ECT
Story Updated: Sep 1, 2011 at 11:35 PM ECT
Today the Government is supposed to reveal the reason behind the State of Emergency. Yet, although I am also a creative writer, neither Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar, Attorney General Anand Ramlogan , nor National Security Minister John Sandy has called on me to help them prepare their statements. Maybe V.S. Naipaul got the contract, or maybe they think their stories have created suspension of disbelief among the citizens of Trinidad and Tobago. Nonetheless, I have created my own scenarios to explain the events of the past 12 days, which I am sure are at least as accurate as anything we'll hear in Parliament.
August 16 – Dengue fever strikes Kamla. Attorney General Anand Ramlogan orders an immediate investigation into sub-standard mosquito nets ordered by a PNM contractor, while Justice Minister Herbert Volney starts swatting mosquitoes on sight. Education Minister Dr Tim Gopeesingh announces that Kamla's dengue is of the classic kind War and Peace or Huckleberry Finn or Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone.
August 19 – Dengue cases continue to rise, despite the majority of T&T's doctors being UNC. When seven persons are killed in one day, Kamla becomes even more feverish and orders National Security Minister John Sandy to track down the guilty mosquitoes.
August 20 – Members of the Cabinet cabal are summoned to the PM's home, where she announces that she wants to create an emergency plan to fight dengue. "If I can get it, anyone can," she said, according to sources. Dr Gopeesingh informs her that, actually, it's Indians who are most susceptible to the virus while Africans are almost immune. It is at this point that Kamla decides to declare a national State of Emergency. "If Indians die or are too sick to leave their homes, then the Partnership could lose the next election, which would endanger public safety," she argued, citing Section 8, sub-section 2, part (c) of the Constitution, which lists "infectious diseases" as a ground for an SoE. Told by Dr Gopeesingh that she was not infectious, she snapped, "Of course I am!" She then burst into laughter, and Volney, Surujrattan Rambachan, and Gary Griffith immediately started laughing too, with Rambachan getting a .03-second headstart. "See?" said Kamla.
August 21 – Kamla makes her proclamation, using the phrase "limited State of Emergency" three times in her address to the nation. Standing behind her, Anand fidgets throughout the speech, but sources were unable to confirm whether this was because he was aghast at Kamla's error, itching to start arresting young black men, or because his jockey shorts were riding up. Beside him, by contrast, CoP leader Prakash Ramadhar stood as still as Rodin's less-famous statue, The Moron.
August 22 – President George Maxwell Richards proclaims the SoE, having satisfied himself that most of the major Carnival band launches had already taken place.
August 23 – TV6's Dominic Kalipersad interviews the Attorney General and, depending on whether you're a UNC or not, Dominic either reveals Anand to be arrogantly disingenuous or reveals himself to be an enemy of the State.
August 24 – Hoping to capitalise on Kamla's illness, Communications Minister Rambachan orders the PM's residence to be bugged, not realising that such bugs aren't the kind which carry disease.
August 25 – Having finally read the Constitution and realised that seven killings can't legally justify an SoE, AG Ramlogan announces that an "immediate threat and endangerment of public safety" was averted by it. He does not specify what this threat was, citing national security, but expects citizens to believe him because he looks so macho with his shirt collar unbuttoned.
August 26 – Two gang leaders are arrested at the Hyatt Hotel, and found to be harbouring mosquitoes while paying only for double occupancy. Also, 30 men, ranging in ages from 19 to 63, are charged with being in a gang under the Anti-Gang legislation and possession of Viagra without an erection.
August 27 – AG Ramlogan announces that men are being offered $10,000 by gang leaders to take licks. This is ten times more than a dominatrix makes, proving that the SoE has not affected the criminal economy.
August 28 – Anand threatens a 14-year-old girl with jail for pretending to be a PNM-till-Ah-dead granny in a YouTube video. "It is a matter of grave concern," he says. When contacted, however, both Belgrove's and the caretaker at Lapeyrouse Cemetery deny being at all worried.
August 29 – Police and army clean out scrap iron yards, displacing several hundred mosquitoes. Kamla writes a speech boasting that, since the SoE was started, there hasn't been one death from dengue, but doesn't deliver it because she keeps pronouncing "mosquitoes" as "misquotes".
August 30 – Health Minister Fuad Khan confirms that dengue is under control, because mosquitoes aren't venturing out during the curfew.
August 31 – Pastor Winston Cuffie is given the Chaconia Medal (gold), proving that the Government is hoping for a miracle, a large campaign contribution, and bogus PhDs for selected MPs.
Email: kbaldeosingh@hotmail.com
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Is stories like this i fraid to hear. Add to that it would be difficult to confirm if true or just a malicious rumor.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Woman_s_home_raided_twice-128964548.html
For the second time since the State of Emergency, Pamela Seeram's home has been raided by police and her male friend beaten by armed officers.
Seeram claims policemen have even eaten her food and stolen fruits.
"I cook crab and dumpling. They take it from the pot and they come outside laughing and eating. They even gone and take plum from the tree," Seeram said.
She said the first time the officers ransacked her Garth Road, Williamsville house was around 6 p.m. last week Friday.
They took $1,500 she had from the sale of a goat.
They also beat her male companion.
Seeram said they struck again on Tuesday evening.
She said without showing her a warrant, six officers armed with guns entered her house and began cursing her and beating her friend.
"They jumped out from the jeep and stormed the house. (Male friend) and I were watching television. They not giving an explanation. They just doing this, " Seeram said.
She said her friend neither drinks nor smokes and is a painter by profession.
Seeram claimed marijuana was planted on him and the officers took him to the Marabella police station.
She was struck on her face and warned, "Shut your mouth, you talking too much. You could get set up too."
Seeram, 35, believes the raids were linked to a relationship she ended with a police officer two years ago.
Seeram said, in the past, the officer broke her jaw and nose and she had made reports of domestic abuse at the police station.
"Since (male friend) start to come here, like somebody don't want him here," Seeram said.
Her 30-year-old friend who is originally from Claxton Bay, has been staying at her home for the past three months.
The mother of one said her 11-year-old daughter was not at home at the time of the incident and since Tuesday they have been staying by a female relative.
Seeram called on the Commissioner of Police to intervene.
"Why I have to be living in fear? Police supposed to protect you, not beat and set you up. I want to feel safe in my own house...I'm afraid they will come and do me something. They told me disrespectful things," Seeram said.
She said she intends to file a complaint of the incident with the Police Complaints Authority.
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I waiting to hear the outcome of the debate.
Eh really hear much on news....more or less...Sandy said...i quote "Even if One firearm was recovered..and one person arrested.....I still would say the State of Emergency was worth it."
He also said the threat averted woulda "make 1990 look like a Christmas party."
Rowely said it makes no sense coming to the parliament and saying that a major threat was averted and not telling us the nature of this threat etc.
Absent from Opposition benches....Patricia McIntosh.
Absent from Govt benches....Anand Ramlogan. :-\
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Boasting about a reduction in crime during a State of Emergency is like gloating about losing weight during a famine... :mackdaddy:
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Wait how could dey escuse Akon Ramlogan from the red house when he suppose to tell what de scene is ???
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HEADLINE: Police launch probe into how gang leader Robocop got cell phone and U-S dollars while in police custody
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would like to see these numbers:
how many people affected or had fren or family affected negatively by crime
vs
how many people affected or had fren or family affected negatively by SOE
betting de former win out over de latter.
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so no updates if they making the curfew time later or extending the SOE past 15days?
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would like to see these numbers:
how many people affected or had fren or family affected negatively by crime
vs
how many people affected or had fren or family affected negatively by SOE
betting de former win out over de latter.
You for real?
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Our population is what 1.5million or so? over 2 weeks they catch 228 people with outstanding warrants?? Thats frightening. If supposedly all these criminals located in "hotspots" why the hell so much man walking around with warrants? Is like police in them areas could just reach out and grab somebody and chances are..warrant..hold him!
Is it that because of the SOE men staying home so police just rolling up to dey house and dragging them outta bed?
Is this whole exercise an success or an indictment of the police???
Just because there's a warrant for a man's arrest that doesn't mean that he's a 'criminal'.
Not really trying to say that. Wondering how they couldn't catch all these people with outstanding warrants before, whatever these warrants could be for. The SOE allowing them to do that? Or police just doing their jobs for once? I'm also assuming that these people are being caught in the "hotspots".
I wonder what happened on a daily basis in Trinidad pre SOE regarding police arrests. How many etc.. Would be interesting to compare to during the SOE. These figures they calling and saying the SOE is a success are meaningless without something to compare to.
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Like this thread died? What happen in Parliament with the extension, meeting, secret info etc.
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Like this thread died? What happen in Parliament with the extension, meeting, secret info etc.
They must b gone Balls of Fire
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3 more months of SOE
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3 more months of SOE
dey say anything about the curfew hours??....that 9 pm thing eh cutting it at all.....for a government that was begging the Unions to not shut down the country partly for economic reasons, dem taking liberty with these curfew hours. Yes, its the people who earn their living after hours that are suffering but they are being asked to suffer for another 3 months with this 9 pm deadline....
Additionally, I miss my after football lime on Thursdays and after work lime on Fridays and ah miss just saying shit that ah going out when I feel like it.....steups!!
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According to Granny Quilla, one mosquito caused all this shit.....
Granny Quilla for PRESIDENT !!!
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3 more months of SOE
dey say anything about the curfew hours??....that 9 pm thing eh cutting it at all
Still debating it. The 3 months thing still in debate also , but seeing the government don't need the opposition to vote on it , it good as done. Sandy say he want 3 more months so is 3 more Months in we ras
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This crime fighting plan is absolutely amazing. Why didn't other countries and government think about this. Man we Trinis are so forward thinking. :applause:
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Like this thread died? What happen in Parliament with the extension, meeting, secret info etc.
They must b gone Balls of Fire
You ain't wrong. Anil played for Soca Warriors. Actually nearly scored a good goal!
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Like this thread died? What happen in Parliament with the extension, meeting, secret info etc.
They must b gone Balls of Fire
You ain't wrong. Anil played for Soca Warriors. Actually nearly scored a good goal!
You on kicks right?
Any word on the secret evidence that prompted the SOE?
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Ah getting SOE fatigue so ah avoiding the news and all de debates (cuss outs really) on this issue. But the debates in Parliament yesterday had me thinking even more about this SOE.
This kinda long so ah would understand if all yuh steups and move on....but bear with me nah....
As I've said before, I have an uncomfortable feeling about this SOE. The initial problem I had with it (and still is my main problem) is that it came out of left field. As I've also said before, in the weeks leading up to the PM's announcement this government was shouting for all who could hear that the MURDER rate was going down and the plans they have in place will take time to bear fruit but they are working on the problem.
In fact, what Roodal Moonial said (THE DAY BEFORE KAMLA's announcement) sums up what I had been hearing for about 2 – 3 weeks before the SOE…
LEADER of Government business Dr Roodal Moonilal said yesterday citizens ought not to feel insecure following the recent upsurge in killings.
Moonilal disagreed that there was a need for a State of Emergency with the killing of seven people on Friday night, taking the murder toll to 256.
Moonilal said: "I think citizens should still feel secure. I think there is an upsurge in the gang related activity that is creating an unease, but I am very confident in Mr John Sandy and the Police Service to respond to this challenge."
Asked how Government was planning to tackle the crime situation, Moonilal said the Minister of National Security had plans and strategies which he was confident will work.
He said: "I am aware of Mr Sandy's plans and he has a variety of strategies to combat crime. I am very confident that in the short term we will see the results of that."
So all that and then BAM!! SOE in we pweffen!! IT DOH MAKE SENSE!! IT JUST DOH MAKE SENSE!!
Further, the night of the SOE, Madame PM claimed that a number of drug busts being made by the police (and she cited the $22 million bust the week before as an example), was leading to a gang warfare or words to that effect. During the debate, Min. Sandy described this imminent threat as an event that would have made 1990 look like a tea party.
So they called a SOE and I'm assuming that the crisis has been averted. I have to assume because I haven't heard the Cowboy "X" AG pong his chest about arrests made in connection to this particular drug bust. I haven't heard that the people who were going to be a part of the blood bath are safely behind bars. I also haven't heard of who were the officials at the airport (customs for example) or who were the financiers involved in the $22 million drug bust having been arrested. I haven't heard that the fellas involved in the shoot up in Arima has been held.....how come?? It not supposed to take them so long.
The track record of this PP government is PR, PR, PR.....if any of these things had happened the Cowboy "X" AG would have made it his duty to tell us. So I'm left with assumptions.
So 15 days later and the crisis has been averted, I assume.
But, but, but....what are the grounds for imposing a SOE on the country?? This is what the constitution says about the grounds under which a State of Emergency can be called:-
THE CONSTITUTION PART II
Section 8
(1) Subject to this section, for the purposes of this Chapter, the President may from time to time make a Proclamation declaring that a state of public emergency exists.
(2) A Proclamation made by the President under subsection (1) shall not be effective unless it contains a declaration that the President is satisfied-
(a) that a public emergency has arisen as a result of the imminence of a state of war between Trinidad and Tobago and a foreign State;
(b) that a public emergency has arisen as a result of the occurrence of any earthquake, hurricane, flood, fire, outbreak of pestilence or of infectious disease, or other calamity whether similar to the foregoing or not; or
(c) that action has been taken, or is immediately threatened. by any person, of such a nature and on so extensive a scale, as to be likely to endanger the public safety or to deprive the community or any substantial portion of the community of supplies or services essential to life.
Its clearly not (a) and clearly not (b) so that leaves (c). I heard this used as the reason for the state of emergency and at first I bought it wholesale without actually reading the clause. I think the key word(s) here are OF SUCH A NATURE AND ON SO EXTENSIVE A SCALE.
So this imminent threat arising out of these drug busts were going to be so extensive that we would have seen people being shot down all over the place willy nilly then?? I would not have been able to walk the streets without having to duck and run for cover at every turn. We would have been involved an internal war the likes of say Mexico border town gang war fare?? Really?? For a $22 million drug bust?? Really?? Really?? What made this drug bust so different to the other drug busts?? How much was the Monos Island drug bust worth?? Or any of the others over the years??
Hhhhhmmmm…..alright. But why the state needs another 3 months to contain this imminent threat?? 3 months??!! Oh wait, I forget this allows the police to their jobs more effectively. Apparently they can’t work unless there is an SOE in place and 15 days is clearly not enough time. So like we in for about 6 moths at least of SOE in we pweffen!!
I’m turning this over and over in my mind and I seriously doubt this had nothing to do with any 11 murders in 48 hours or any blood bath threat BS.
So what could it be then?? Hhhhhmmmm…..this government is known for PR, smoke screen and BS. Ever since this SOE we have all been collectively distracted from the myriad of issues that were facing us and this government. As I was listening to the debate in Parliament yesterday something occurred to me…..included in the list of right that are suspended right now this one intrigues me….
Legal Supplement Part B—Vol. 50, No. 108—21st August, 2011 437
LEGAL NOTICE NO. 163 REPUBLIC OF TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO
THE CONSTITUTION OF THE REPUBLIC OF TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO CHAP. 1:01 REGULATIONS
MADE BY THE PRESIDENT UNDER SECTION 7 OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE REPUBLIC OF TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO
THE EMERGENCY POWERS REGULATIONS, 2011
Prohibition on the holding of public meetings and marches
7. (1) Except with prior permission in writing of the Commissioner of Police, the grant of which shall be in his discretion, no person shall hold or take part in any public march or in any public meeting.
(2) Nothing in this regulation shall apply to any meeting of a class or description referred to in the First Schedule.
(3) Notwithstanding the exception of marches and processions provided for in paragraphs (c) and (d) of the definition of “public march” in regulation 2(1), the Commissioner of Police may prohibit any such march or procession in a public place if, having regard to the time at which and the circumstances in which the march or procession is held or is to be held, he had reasonable grounds for believing that the holding of such march or procession may occasion a breach of the peace or public disorder.
(4) The grant of any permission under this regulation may be subject to such terms and conditions as the Commissioner of Police may think fit for giving effect to these Regulations.
Ah have a theory but its so crazy it cyar work. In fact, mih theory so crazy that if its true then is crazy people running the place…..all I have to say is folks who happy and excited about this SOE curbing crime....I over the moon for all yuh.....but I really, really, really have my doubts.....
We have another 3 months to go.....let's see......
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Like this thread died? What happen in Parliament with the extension, meeting, secret info etc.
They must b gone Balls of Fire
You ain't wrong. Anil played for Soca Warriors. Actually nearly scored a good goal!
You on kicks right?
Any word on the secret evidence that prompted the SOE?
No, seriously....he nearly scored when he received the ball with his back to goal, spun and pelted the ball towards the corner. Goalie made a good save.
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Brown sugar , weh you pouting so for, and why you want tuh be out so late fuh anyway? ain't you supposed to be ah female? when i was growin up women, including my granny and mammy dem used tuh be in de house by 7pm and they didn't used tuh leave the house after dark unless it's an emergency.
woman, nowadays real wayward yes. :whistling:
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Brown sugar , weh you pouting so for, and why you want tuh be out so late fuh anyway? ain't you supposed to be ah female? when i was growin up women, including my granny and mammy dem used tuh be in de house by 7pm and they didn't used tuh leave the house after dark unless it's an emergency.
woman, nowadays real wayward yes. :whistling:
:D
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Hmmm, one wonders ... what would the consequence of many, many, many, many, many, many enterprising souls orchestrating a march, protest, procession etc. be?
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"They that give up essential Liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin
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Like this thread died? What happen in Parliament with the extension, meeting, secret info etc.
They must b gone Balls of Fire
You ain't wrong. Anil played for Soca Warriors. Actually nearly scored a good goal!
You on kicks right?
Any word on the secret evidence that prompted the SOE?
No, seriously....he nearly scored when he received the ball with his back to goal, spun and pelted the ball towards the corner. Goalie made a good save.
with all these arrests, how many are being convicted and sentenced?
i read about the AG setting up a tribunal for all those arrested and detained, i am assuming this tribunal will convict and sentence?
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wow. i have been watching the debates over the last three days and let me tell you, members from both sides really dont give a fack about the citizens of T&T. Its only 'well d PP is best' 'no d PNM was d best' and nothing really is being discussed
up to now the government has not said what is the real reason for the SOE, which i believe most citizens wanted to know
then Lincoln Douglas dumb ass in his contribution says that 'even if ppl get a good nights rest because drivers are no longer driving up and down the streets blasting their radios/horns, then the SOE is worth it' ::)
what more can i say
No rights for the next three months. Living in a police state for the next three months. being treated like a child by the government for the next three months. what we go do :-\
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http://www.ttparliament.org/parliament_channel_live.html
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Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar has announced a change in the curfew hours. From Monday, the curfew will start at 11pm and end at 4am.
PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT THE 9PM START APPLIES TONIGHT ONLY.
Motion to extend the State of Emergency for a further three months has been passed. 29 MPs voted in support of the extension and 10 voted against.
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Hmmm, one wonders ... what would the consequence of many, many, many, many, many, many enterprising souls orchestrating a march, protest, procession etc. be?
yeah. dey could wear black shirts ...
"They that give up essential Liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin
TC, yuh sounding like de tea party. ah could well imagine yuh participating in those civil war re-enactments with de three-corner hat.
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TC and Tea Party? :heehee:
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Brownsugar, in response to your post I do hope that the purpose for the SOE was sincere and legit. I really do because there are many many questions raised by the way it all went down. I hope the answers come soon enough. The citizens have a right to know why some civil liberties have been suspended. Absolutely.
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Hmmm, one wonders ... what would the consequence of many, many, many, many, many, many enterprising souls orchestrating a march, protest, procession etc. be?
yeah. dey could wear black shirts ...
"They that give up essential Liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin
TC, yuh sounding like de tea party. ah could well imagine yuh participating in those civil war re-enactments with de three-corner hat.
:D
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Prime Minister: I would do it again
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=31316
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Prime Minister: I would do it again
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=31316
They obviously know something that they cannot reveal. Something major.
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Prime Minister: I would do it again
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=31316
They obviously know something that they cannot reveal. Something major.
Listen, I eh watch her contribution but I picked up from a post on CCN TV6's fb page that she said something to the effect that a major crisis was averted. If so, why the need to extend the SOE for 3 more months?? They didn't even have to extend it for 3 months. It could have been extended for a minimum of 30 days....why not do the minimum. If the "intelligence" is so on point, then why do they need all this time to avert this crisis that has been averted already.... ??? :-\
Preacher, I was one of the people who was calling for a SOE long time. My rationale was, the PNM was trying all kinda thing and it wasn't wukking.
This government came with all kinda plans. So I say alright, they new let me give them some room. Let them outline their plans and take it from there. In addition to which they got a piece of legislation that the PNM never had to work with....
As far as I'm aware, since taking office they have not laid out any comprehensive plans for fighting crime. How could they when every 24 hours we were being bombarded by all kinda bachanal and distractions and not getting down to the matter at hand?? So despite all dey grand charging and ponging up dey chest, dey realise things getting out of hand and give we this knee jerk SOE.
One that is not well thought out. One whose real reason is a big secret that we cyar know. One that would avert a crisis that done averted already but still need 3 more months to avert....and use the time to outline anti-crime initiatives. Where were those initiative all this time??....
Steups!!
@ Warrior Queen, I only take een that debate in bits and pieces and didn't bother to watch today.....I got tired of having my intelligence insulted.....
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Stolen diesel found in scrap iron yard
Housing and Environment Minister, Dr Roodal Moonilal, has confirmed that army officers found and later seized stolen diesel which was hidden in a heap of scrap metal.
Speaking on the Motion to extend the State of Emergency, he said the diesel was intended to be exported illegally and this racket could not have been uncovered outside the State of Emergency.
"The army came across an underground bunker of sorts that held 80,000 gallons of diesel in the vicinity and under scrap iron."
Minister Moonilal said he believes the diesel could have been hidden in the scrap metal heap for some time and would have been unknown to the average man.
He added that the powers given to the law enforecment officers under the SoE which put a stop to this illegal activity.
The Minister said he is tired of hearing Opposition members say a State of Emergency is not necessary to put a stop to such criminal activities and that the Government could have dealt with the crime wave under the powers conferred under existing laws.
Dr Moonilal said he did not understood their rationale. He explained, "Many of those are illegal but what do some of these so-called dealers do? Not all, some. They hide weapons and other illegal substances in those areas."
He challenged the Opposition saying landmark pieces of legislation such as the Anti-Gang Act and the Human Trafficking Bill are being used together with the Emergency Powers under the State of Emergency.
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=31322&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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Police find more guns
Police are questioning a man in connection with the discovery of a cache of arms behind a house in Claxton Bay.
Acting on information, a party of police officers and soldiers searched the premises and found an Italian made submachine gun, a rifle and a handgun behind the house at Diamond Road, Diamond Village in Claxton Bay on Saturday afternoon.
Police officers identified the weapon as an Italian-made Baretta submachine gun. It was found with a mounted stand.
Although the submachine gun seemed old and rusted, officers said it was well-oiled and appeared to have been in use.
In addition to the submachine gun, the raiding party also found and seized a rifle, a handgun, army camouflage outfits and several cell phones which they believe could provide useful information.
The party which made the discovery was comprised of 26 police officers and 30 soldiers and was led by Assistant Superintendent Jamsheed Mohammed who was assisted by Sergeant Nabbie of the Southern Division Task Force. The exercise was coordinated by Senior Superintendent Deodath Dulalchan, the head of the Southern Division.
Police say the suspect was detained with the help of Ian Alleyne, host of the Crimewatch television programme. The suspect reportedly surrendered to Mr Alleyne and was turned over to the police in an exchange near the Grand Bazaar mall at the intersection of the Churchill Roosevelt and Uriah Butler Highways.
The man has a military background and they believe the camouflage outfit and military fatigues belonged to him.
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=31328&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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Prime Minister: I would do it again
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=31316
They obviously know something that they cannot reveal. Something major.
The problem is that there is a severe lack of trust in the govt, rightly or wrongly. Now, the govt can't have it all their own way here. There are three scenarios I believe are possible
1) This major operation was the cause of the SOE. Fine. So if you had this info and successfuly thwarted the crisis, then tell us at least some broad information. After all, if the govt have caught these people, then the govt can reveal what the crisis was, or if they have at least identyfied the bandits and they have fled, again, theres no reason we can't have the basics.
An example would be: the govt received intelligence that a major drug ring was planning to attack an area known to harbour a second major drug ring. Intelligence led us to believe that the attack would not just be on gang members, but wives, families, children and neighbours of the gang members. The relevent gang leaders and gang members of both gangs have been arrested, however, there are still other targets yet to be identified from fresh evidence, therefore the SOE must remain in place.
No state secrets given away there
2) Govt had info as above, but failed to catch anyone involved and therefore need to keep a lockdown until they can be found.
An example would be: the govt received intelligence that a major drug ring was planning to attack an area known to harbour a second major drug ring. Intelligence led us to believe that the attack would not just be on gang members, but wives, families, children and neighbours of the gang members. However, at this time, only a few members of these gangs have been apprehended, and the threat still exists. The gov't feel that in the interests of public safety, the SOE should continue. The police have now uncovered further intelligence which will lead to the detention of significant gang leaders from other areas.
3) Govt had no major threat, but panicked and needed to take some kind of affirmative action. Govt realised that the intelligence obtained did not lead them to the targets they wanted and, thus, the SOE has not had results successful enough to warrent the SOE.
An example: Upon receiving certain, uncorroberated, yet trusted intelligence, it was decided that inter gang wars were due to escalate. In order to contain any further gang violence, the gov't decided to put an SOE in place. So far to date, hundreds of gang members are off the streets. However, the gov't feels it can inflict major long term damage to the drug and gang culture if the SOE continues for another 3 months.
The gov't can pass information to the public without revealing operational details.
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Watched and listen to a few contributions in the debate over the weekend.
Saw all of Imbert and Amery Browne, some of Suruj Rambachan, some of Jack, some of Rowley, all of Anil Roberts and Gypsy and most of Kamla.
Forgot how painful it is to watch a parliamentary session, big men acting like schoolchildren with the speaker playing headmaster and plenty comedy on offer.
As much as I dislike Imbert, he put together a good presentation covering all the main points of contention. Spoke about the suspension of citizen's rights, the economic impact to small businesses and workers, the international fallout for the tourism sector and the lack of tangible results. Amery Browne had a good contribution as well and Jack come out strong with facts and figures to support his presentation.
On the government side, loudmouth Anil come out spitting fire this morning lambasting the PNM for failed crime measures during their 8 years in power. He is another one I doh like at all but I cyah lie he shock meh with his contribution. He come with he facts and figures and a setta soundbites and gave a strong showing, look like he take to politics like a duck to water. He drop one today, he bawl out "Today only 2 people from the Crowne Plaza meeting with the 'community leaders' are alive.. 1 is in prison and the other one well figure that out".
Anyway, all in all I find it was a wasteful exercise. After the first few speakers, it started becoming repetitive on both sides with each new speakers just recounting the same rhetoric as the former.
As for the PP, instead of debating the reasons and justification for the SoE the government spend 90% of the time talking about the opposition, blaming them for the crime situation and recounting their failed measures during their 8 years in power. One setta political grandstanding with little relevance to the issue at hand. I thought the debate was supposed to reveal what the reasons were that prompted the SoE, what were the objectives and what was the medium to long term plan, but none of that was forthcoming. Just a setta bait and switch and political cross talk.
At at the end of it all said and done we get the foregone conclusion which is 3 more months of SoE in we craw.
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A lockdown on the plantation - Sep 4
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2011 - Letters to the Editor
Saturday, 03 September 2011 22:58
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A lockdown on the plantation - Sep 4
To God be the glory!
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DEAR EDITOR: The current State of Emergency called by the present government in response to the spiralling crime rate has brought to the fore some pertinent issues which we will have to face squarely and honestly at some point as a nation. It has pointed out in no uncertain terms that our “rainbow nation” which we love to boast about in interfacing with the world is deeply segregated along class and racial lines, no big deal one may say, tell us something we don’t know.
But I am not sure people realise just how far these divisions go and what they will imply for us eventually. The van-load of “criminals” who were hunted down, loaded up, handcuffed and carted off reminded me uncomfortably of a slave coffle. Except this time the runaway slaves were delinquent African males hiding out in isolated maroon communities along the east-west corridor, more than 500 of them at last count.
They threatened the peace of mind and the lifestyle of our entrenched plantocracy – the upper and middle classes. The present state of emergency amounts to a lock-down on the plantation so that the unwanted elements can be weeded out, punished and kept in abeyance. Everyone has to account for his/her whereabouts and obtain “passes” to move from one plantation to the next. There are times set aside for particular duties indicated by the blast of the conch shell, with the understanding that the natives cannot be left with too much spare time, idleness leads to too much revelry and eventual anarchy.
Speaking to many persons since the State of Emergency began there is a feeling that it is just what we needed. “We too free in Trinidad” a woman told me “…is time we learn some discipline.” There is also a sense somehow that we are now safe. Those who stepped out of line are now in the lock-up or have been taught a lesson. But I wonder.
The scenes accompanying the detainment of individuals on Nelson Street were not indicative of a compliant community ridding itself of the unwanted elements but an irate and hostile crowd who felt that they were being unfairly targetted and harassed by police and members of the military. In the face of these oppressive forces the masses gathered to beat their drums and vent their rage at a militia who only looked like them but who were the stool pigeons of the ruling class. The “crimes” they were being accused of had nothing to do with the robberies, kidnappings, murders and drugs they had peddled but the lack of respect showed them, the jobs they could never get, the lifestyle they would never achieve, the mis-education they received, the stigma attached to their brand of blackness and the lies made to them by politicians.
The irony of daily life on the sugar plantation was that while slaves were accused by plantation owners of malingering, stealing, feigning illness, destroying property etc. the more serious moral issue of the brutal treatment meted out to them, their lack of freedom and the deprivation of their basic human rights was completely ignored. The question the people of Nelson Street asked was in the same vein. Which is the larger crime, to sell drugs, or to be stuck in a life of poverty that offered few opportunities for advancement.
Maybe my analogy is completely off as analogies tend to be and I probably read too much into all this but I suspect that somewhere in our social engineering here in Trinidad we have got it all wrong and the present state of affairs is indicative of a deep disaffection. Our “hot spots” are really areas that require sensible interventions and careful attention. We need curfews in the lives of wealthy persons to take them away from making more money and expose them to the daily grind of the poor. Our social services and family life is in a state of emergency and our propensity to import everything foreign needs house arrest.
Failing this I concur with the view expressed recently in one of our daily newspapers: “This government has only further deepened the trenches of class segregation and it will have monstrous consequences.”
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“This government has only further deepened the trenches of class segregation and it will have monstrous consequences.”
Says it all, really.
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First Up Online: 02.21.11
A call for Limited State of Emergency.... from the 1:00 mark and beyond.
http://video.ctntworld.com/view/679/first-up-online-022111/
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Hmmm, one wonders ... what would the consequence of many, many, many, many, many, many enterprising souls orchestrating a march, protest, procession etc. be?
yeah. dey could wear black shirts ...
"They that give up essential Liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin
TC, yuh sounding like de tea party. ah could well imagine yuh participating in those civil war re-enactments with de three-corner hat.
You sounding like one ah dem Laventeee negroes o de back of ah pick up tray..heading to at least 4 months of jail. I could see yuh now in yuh wife beater, 3/4 pants, in hand cuffs like ah character in a bad rap video!
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Around 7.50 some interesting info. One of the guys arrested at the Hyatt had been awarded a CEPEP contract on the day he checked into the Hyatt :o
http://video.ctntworld.com/view/845/c-news-7pm-online-020911/
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Prime Minister: I would do it again
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=31316
They obviously know something that they cannot reveal. Something major.
Listen, I eh watch her contribution but I picked up from a post on CCN TV6's fb page that she said something to the effect that a major crisis was averted. If so, why the need to extend the SOE for 3 more months?? They didn't even have to extend it for 3 months. It could have been extended for a minimum of 30 days....why not do the minimum. If the "intelligence" is so on point, then why do they need all this time to avert this crisis that has been averted already.... ??? :-\
Preacher, I was one of the people who was calling for a SOE long time. My rationale was, the PNM was trying all kinda thing and it wasn't wukking.
This government came with all kinda plans. So I say alright, they new let me give them some room. Let them outline their plans and take it from there. In addition to which they got a piece of legislation that the PNM never had to work with....
As far as I'm aware, since taking office they have not laid out any comprehensive plans for fighting crime. How could they when every 24 hours we were being bombarded by all kinda bachanal and distractions and not getting down to the matter at hand?? So despite all dey grand charging and ponging up dey chest, dey realise things getting out of hand and give we this knee jerk SOE.
One that is not well thought out. One whose real reason is a big secret that we cyar know. One that would avert a crisis that done averted already but still need 3 more months to avert....and use the time to outline anti-crime initiatives. Where were those initiative all this time??....
Steups!!
@ Warrior Queen, I only take een that debate in bits and pieces and didn't bother to watch today.....I got tired of having my intelligence insulted.....
B I think we'll know. We have to know, let me put it that way. Any national security threat has to be made known sooner or later. I heard rumors that what was averted would have made the Coup look like it was nothing, so we'll have to wait and see. If they want to be re-elected they cannot withhold that info.
"It would have made 1990 Coup would have looked like a Christmas party" ;D
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There is a BB broadcast making the rounds that 16 days ago...a container with high powered weapons vanished from the port.
It is this cache that caused the SOE.
Maybe if we put this info, along with Sandy's comments, along with the drug bust we could see where dey coming from.
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There is a BB broadcast making the rounds that 16 days ago...a container with high powered weapons vanished from the port.
It is this cache that caused the SOE.
Maybe if we put this info, along with Sandy's comments, along with the drug bust we could see where dey coming from.
Dat is d rumour dat goin around d place.
This is drumour dat goin aroun
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There is a BB broadcast making the rounds that 16 days ago...a container with high powered weapons vanished from the port.
It is this cache that caused the SOE.
Maybe if we put this info, along with Sandy's comments, along with the drug bust we could see where dey coming from.
This government is the most corrupted government in the History of T&T.
Who vex lorse >:(
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There is a BB broadcast making the rounds that 16 days ago...a container with high powered weapons vanished from the port.
It is this cache that caused the SOE.
Maybe if we put this info, along with Sandy's comments, along with the drug bust we could see where dey coming from.
This government is the most corrupted government in the History of T&T.
Who vex lorse >:(
yuh kicksing right? They may not be the most forthright..but certainly there have been 2 PNM governments and one UNC government far wuss than this one...steups come on man.
Yuh cyar forget de days of Johnny O' and Prevatt and then Calder Hart etc..and anday's UNC piarco etc.????
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There is a BB broadcast making the rounds that 16 days ago...a container with high powered weapons vanished from the port.
It is this cache that caused the SOE.
Maybe if we put this info, along with Sandy's comments, along with the drug bust we could see where dey coming from.
This government is the most corrupted government in the History of T&T.
Who vex lorse >:(
yuh kicksing right? They may not be the most forthright..but certainly there have been 2 PNM governments and one UNC government far wuss than this one...steups come on man.
Yuh cyar forget de days of Johnny O' and Prevatt and then Calder Hart etc..and anday's UNC piarco etc.????
Cut the man some slack nah...Elan just flip over he center table then write that. ;D
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There is a BB broadcast making the rounds that 16 days ago...a container with high powered weapons vanished from the port.
It is this cache that caused the SOE.
Maybe if we put this info, along with Sandy's comments, along with the drug bust we could see where dey coming from.
This government is the most corrupted government in the History of T&T.
Who vex lorse >:(
yuh kicksing right? They may not be the most forthright..but certainly there have been 2 PNM governments and one UNC government far wuss than this one...steups come on man.
Yuh cyar forget de days of Johnny O' and Prevatt and then Calder Hart etc..and anday's UNC piarco etc.????
I am dead serious.
I'm not just talking about tiefing money. Talking about the amount of illegal activities that they turning ah blind eye to. They break down the entire security system in the country in less than six months and them playing like they doing something. Putting big drug lord in charge of key ports of entry into the country (give anand meh contacts if he want to lock me up - Ah pretty good with Bakes :devil: ).
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... (give anand meh contacts if he want to lock me up - Ah pretty good with Bakes :devil: ).
You better pray they try yuh here in de US, you cyah afford me if ah have tuh fly out ;D
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Crime discussion and the wisdom of using a SOE to fight crime being discussed on C-TV right now.
Is the SOE Working?
http://www.ctntworld.com/livestream/
Logon to hear more PP propaganda!!
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All’s quiet on Nelson Street front
Published: Tue, 2011-09-06 20:59
Gail Alexander
Nelson Street at noon yesterday. PHOTOS: KRISTIAN DE SILVA
The view from Nelson Street is generally similar to most other parts of inner city eastside Port-of-Spain.
It’s steaming hot, not always orderly, but no less colourful. As other types of views go in the capital these days, it is also just as mixed—alternatively belligerent, pleading or apprehensive—regarding the state of emergency as in various other “hot spot” areas. Yesterday, after Parliamentarians spent three days in the Red House palavering over extending the state of emergency, a number of Nelson Street’s youthful residents faced magistrates in the courts around the corner from Parliament. Several blocks across town their neighbours, friends, relatives and associates were watching life go by in the broiling midday sun.
The east Port-of-Spain community of National Housing Authority apartment blocks was among the first areas where persons were detained in search and seizure exercises by security forces. Now, two weeks into the emergency and heading into a three-month stretch, Nelson Street is adjusting to life with sporadic police raids. Yesterday, limers were in their usual spots. People looked out from balconies.
Within the heart of the blocks, most areas of the “Gaza” (a female resident’s term) were quiet. People were hanging about in various corners. The owner of a 24-hour parlour on the street, says: “At least I could open longer now with this (reduced) curfew. I couldn’t do no business at all last week.”
Pushing back long semi-straight dreadlocks, the man in white T-shirt and red track pants related how he has seen Nelson Street change from the time he was born there in 1957 to date. He says: “I remember goat used to be passing and pigs was in the Dry River. Personally I don’t mind the emergency. We older, we don’t be out much. But the setta people they picking, they poor, they is just pawns in the game. “You have to worry about how things being done and how the police and them handling it apart from breaking down people door. “My brother in Belmont had a house-breaking. He ask the police who come to see him about taking evidence for forensic checking. You know they tell him ‘dat is for TV.’”
He adds: “We have a Third World police force. So you have to worry about police might be dealing with who ‘squealing’ with information on them self.” An older gentleman in a pink polo shirt and a neon green vest over it, exchanges a Muslim greeting with a shorter man, wearing thick gold chains heavy enough to sink the Hyatt. “I living around here or else I wouldn’t be able to wear this,” the younger man explains.
“I don’t like the crime situation that was going on before but I don’t like what going on now either. How do you differentiate gangster from an ordinary man? “Two weeks ago somebody else might have robbed me or robbed you or might have had a little cocaine to sell. But those persons’ means of living are being taken from them with the state of emergency and their mentality changed. Is like losing your job, they become desperate.”
He adds: “If Kamla claiming to take them out as she say, how will they do that? There are so many core problems in this situation. “Yesterday I saw a little boy hiding his toy gun and I’m sure this is learned behaviour as he might have seen an older person doing recently.” The older man warns: “You will get enemies trying to clean up what they (police) leave back.” Further around the courtyard, a slim female, hair plaited wearing the standard male uniform —white vest and three-quarter shorts—is also sporting the type of heavy gold jewelry as the young man. She’s slim to the point of being flat-chested. Tattoos on her left arm are faded. Serene and smiling occasionally, she doesn’t say much but her girlfriend, who looks at her adoringly, is angry: “They take my brother, he only 19. Dey say he in a gang. The boy home sleeping, just so, they take him!” the girlfriend declares.
Steps away, a group of women and toddlers are sitting around with a lone male who hides neither his concerns with the emergency nor his homosexuality. “They should call a snap election now, though! We doh see these people til election time and then we getting free jersey we could buy weself, he says. Cheryl, who looks all of 21, makes an appeal with the sadness of someone older than her years.
She’s just come from the court where her brother appeared earlier. Cheryl says about 25 persons from Nelson Street were detained. “We glad the crime stop, people in the area glad, yes, but is how they picking up everybody, innocent and guilty. They should do it the right way not crashing in people place,” says Cheryl. “I frighten,” she adds, claiming that after taking pictures of some security forces drinking in a bar, she received a message not to “go on TV and talk again.”
“We hope Kamla put some sort of training in the area for girls too, not just boys. From 17 up who ent going to school. We need it in the community centres here,” Cheryl adds. Her friend, in a bright pink top, is fretting about her stove. She said: “When they come Thursday, they open up the whole stove I just buy—take it apart and ransack the whole place. “The tailor next door, they throw way all the man cloth,” she says. A stout woman, holding one of the five-plus toddlers playing within the group, adds: “We suffering. We have police breaking down door and taking up everybody, but in the middle of this when Kamla down the road last week shaking hands with certain people and giving keys for house, she didn’t know who she was shaking hands with,” she says.
En route out of Nelson/Gaza, a big group of men are clustered midway in one block: “Nah, nah, nobody here have anything to say, is only pipers here, pass through,” says one.
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Rowley being inteviewed right now on TV6 about SOE!!
http://www.tv6tnt.tv/TV6_Brightcove/default2.html
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mexican gang sell out d colombian gang. ie the airport and sea drug bust. Colombian gang declare war. Mexicans ship in weapons to fight. SOE get call before things get bad. So Tv6 claim
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mexican gang sell out d colombian gang. ie the airport and sea drug bust. Colombian gang declare war. Mexicans ship in weapons to fight. SOE get call before things get bad. So Tv6 claim
if thats d case then i wouldnt doubt that in all d melee mark was threatening or woulda eventually buss about somebody's financiers....remember is d pawns does do d fightin on orders eh..
an even self that is d case wit d chicos an dem...i think d govament shud tell we so d public can report suspicious activity...i does take every spanish fuh venezuelan
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what strategic advantage do Mexican cartels gain operating in T&T?????
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So why the secrecy?
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So why the secrecy?
Well seeing is TV6 who say it, it could be totally false also. I guess we might never know :-\
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So why the secrecy?
Well seeing is TV6 who say it, it could be totally false also. I guess we might never know :-\
This to me is the most fustrating part. We left to assume. We left to conjecture and misinformation and BBM rumors.
What is so hard in saying "Well XYZ seemed likely to happen from our intelligence..so we did ABC to stop it..but everything is ok now." Why the secrecy? If a threat was averted...why the need to extend the SOE? Especially in a sensitive time like this....people need to know they can trust the measures that are being put in place..as well as those that enforce those measures (govt and police/military). Yet we getting half baked info at best..the left hand uncertain of what the right hand doing....changing information....lapses in protocol...a country bookie bull in a china shop.....mamaguy and justification.....and no clear cut answers.
That is my major problem with the SOE.
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So are we left to assume that the Mexicans have a foothold in some curfew areas and the Colombians others? ::)
I waiting fuh de Armageddon talk to start... Michael and Uriel pick up the de phone and give Sandy a heads up before Beelzebub could organize he forces.
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So why the secrecy?
Well seeing is TV6 who say it, it could be totally false also. I guess we might never know :-\
This to me is the most fustrating part. We left to assume. We left to conjecture and misinformation and BBM rumors.
What is so hard in saying "Well XYZ seemed likely to happen from our intelligence..so we did ABC to stop it..but everything is ok now." Why the secrecy? If a threat was averted...why the need to extend the SOE? Especially in a sensitive time like this....people need to know they can trust the measures that are being put in place..as well as those that enforce those measures (govt and police/military). Yet we getting half baked info at best..the left hand uncertain of what the right hand doing....changing information....lapses in protocol...a country bookie bull in a china shop.....mamaguy and justification.....and no clear cut answers.
That is my major problem with the SOE.
Sorry, Bourbon, ah lost. Is XYZ de Colombian gang? So ABC is dem Mexicans? If so, what worries me is that no one knows who the DEF, GHI, JKL, MNO, PQR, STU gangs are. Are they Russian, Chinee, what? ??? And the one I'm most scared of is the VW gang. Guess they must be Germans? They only have two letters, so they must be de boss gang! :devil:
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Both of you wrong! is 666 vs 999 someone giving we w 6 for a 9
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COCAINE WAR
By Nalinee Seelal Wednesday, September 7 2011
click on pic to zoom in
Government stopped a bloody cocaine war between Colombian and Mexican drug leaders in this country which threatened numerous lives by calling the sudden state of emergency on August 21.
According to well-placed intelligence sources, Colombian and Mexican drug dealers who have been fighting for drug turf locally were set to go on a bloodbath, following the seizure of cocaine worth $22 million at Piarco International Airport on August 16, five days before the declaration of the state of emergency.
Officers of the Organised Crime, Narcotics and Firearms Bureau (OCNFB) carried out a sting operation and detained a 19-year-old Arima man and seized two suitcases containing cocaine, packaged neatly in plastic bags. The cocaine weighed 53.926 kilogrammes and was found concealed in a blue blanket.
The suspect worked as a Servis Air employee and was charged for drug trafficking on August 19. He was denied bail. Up to yesterday he was being questioned by both local and United States (US) authorities about the origin of the drugs. The man has since indicated that he is fearful for his life and the safety of his family.
The cocaine reportedly belongs to a Colombian drug dealer whose associates are reported to be in this country with the intention of executing Mexican drug lords based here and an Aranjuez drug dealer who works for the Mexicans. The Aranjuez drug dealer reportedly tipped off the police about the suitcases of cocaine which were to be shipped to the US. Both the Colombians and Mexicans reportedly entered the country by boat with sophisticated weapons.
The recipient of the cocaine has reportedly gone into hiding but is now being sought by US authorities who are working closely with OCNFB officers.
Yesterday a source at the OCNFB told Newsday that the police are making inroads into this investigation and more will be revealed shortly.
However, intelligence sources said that when they were informed that both Colombian and Mexican drug lords were in the country, US authorities advised that the borders be placed under lockdown and that the state of emergency be put in place.
Newsday understands that the Colombians came to this country to deal specifically with the Mexicans and the local drug lord for tipping off the police on the whereabouts of their drugs and if this had occurred many many lives would have been lost.
Yesterday sources revealed that the Colombians and Mexicans are reportedly hiding out in this country and the state of emergency is geared at finding those persons to prevent any bloodshed.
According to sources, Trinidad and Tobago (TT) is a major transhipment point for drugs which are exported to North American countries.
The Colombians reportedly controlled the local drug turf for several years but the Mexicans have infiltrated this country which has resulted in drug lords from those two countries warring with each other.
Last Thursday, officers of the OCNFB and the Coast Guard raided a boat in La Brea at at about 1.40 am and seized cocaine in suitcases valued at $3.2 million.
Two Trinidadians, a Colombian and Venezuelan were arrested in that exercise, however up to yesterday no details were given on the status of the four held.
However local intelligence agencies believe that the cocaine found on the boat also belonged to the Colombian drug lord as information about the shipment was supplied to the police and Coast Guard by the Aranjuez dealer, who got the tipoff from the Mexicans.
This has further angered the Colombians who sources revealed are intent on executing the Mexicans and local drug lords responsible for their drugs being seized.
On Sunday, the Prime Minister announced that the state of emergency will be extended for another three months and Newsday understands that this was done to prevent any bloodbath from taking place in the country.
Yesterday Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley said he was informed while in Parliament on Saturday by Government persons that the real reason for the state of emergency was to prevent a war between a Colombian gang and a Trinidadian gang over the $22 million drug bust at Piarco. Attempts by Newsday to reach Rowley on the matter proved futile.
However, at yesterday’s media briefing on security matters, Minister of National Security Brigadier John Sandy when questioned if there is any truth to Rowley’s claims said, “Well I did not hear the Opposition Leader, I don’t know who told him that.”
Asked further if he knew anything about this matter involving a Colombian drug lord and a local drug lord Sandy said, “I’d rather not comment on that at this time.”
Recently, the US has been working closely with Colombian authorities to deal specifically with Mexican drug dealers who have infiltrated Colombia to set up a lucrative drug trade.
A report from Reuters stated, “A criminal gang capable of smuggling ten tonnes of cocaine a month for Mexico’s bloody Sinaloa cartel has been dismantled following the arrest of 36 suspects, Colombian authorities said on Friday last.”
The arrests have been hailed as a success of cooperation between Colombia and the US, which has contributed billions of dollars in aid to help the Andean country fight drug smugglers with links to Marxist guerrillas.
“This operation between the United States and Colombia has a direct impact that should relieve violence and drug trafficking in Central America and Mexico,” the report stated.
Those organisations have tried to fill the void left in Colombia by the fall in recent years of the Norte Valle Cartel and the dissolution of the Autodefensas Unidas de Colombia, a paramilitary group, the US Department of Justice said in a statement.
They are becoming a leading supplier of cocaine to Mexican cartels, in particular the violent Sinaloa group, which experts say moves up to two-thirds of drugs into the US.
The Andean country has attracted billions of dollars in foreign direct investment over the last decade, boosting oil and coal output after US military aid helped it deal crippling blows to leftist guerrillas and cocaine cartels.
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All plausible I suppose... but still raises a few questions:
1) So the whole "PNM responsible for the crime levels and us having to call a SoE" was just bullshit then?
2) How the Mexicans know about the Colombians drug shipment plans?
3) Colombian druglord in the country and allyuh doh know where he is to arrest him?
4) Wha'iz de big secret about? Allyuh didn't want to let the Colombians and Mexicans know allyuh was onto dem until it was leaked to the papers? ::)
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I'm only guessing here, but if at least some of this is true, it makes sense. Obviously, the Aranguez guy would be a major player, dealing direct with the Mexicans. Like in any other business, you tend to know what your main competitor (in this case, the Colombians) are doing.
Example: If Pepsi are about to launch a major sales campaign, Coca Cola would usually know and quickly devise a campaign to counter it.
I guess its the same with drugs. The Colombians would have their distribution buyers lined up in advance. These buyers may also be clients of the Mexican cartel. When the Mexicans try to sell their coke, the buyers say "No thanks, we got a better price from the Mexicans and it will be coming in next week"
The big secret was probably that the police wanted to try to catch the buyers going to the Mexicans and the Colombians with their urgent stock replenishment, part of which may have been the $3.2 million seized on thursday.
I agree Bakes, that if this is the real deal, the Govt have been very underhanded and falsely accused the PNM's poor record on crime for causing the SOE, however, if these cartels were established more than 18 months ago, I guess they were justified.
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I'm only guessing here, but if at least some of this is true, it makes sense. Obviously, the Aranguez guy would be a major player, dealing direct with the Mexicans. Like in any other business, you tend to know what your main competitor (in this case, the Colombians) are doing.
Example: If Pepsi are about to launch a major sales campaign, Coca Cola would usually know and quickly devise a campaign to counter it.
I guess its the same with drugs. The Colombians would have their distribution buyers lined up in advance. These buyers may also be clients of the Mexican cartel. When the Mexicans try to sell their coke, the buyers say "No thanks, we got a better price from the Mexicans and it will be coming in next week"
The big secret was probably that the police wanted to try to catch the buyers going to the Mexicans and the Colombians with their urgent stock replenishment, part of which may have been the $3.2 million seized on thursday.
I agree Bakes, that if this is the real deal, the Govt have been very underhanded and falsely accused the PNM's poor record on crime for causing the SOE, however, if these cartels were established more than 18 months ago, I guess they were justified.
Who was buying the OPV and who cancelled it?
According to the article, through which port of entry did the guns, drugs and cartel enter the country? Here I will help air or SEA ?
The SPY agency that help deal with the kidnapping who got blamed for using it to help deal with kidnapping and who out it?
THe SUATT, who put it together and who break them up sending them back to ENG/SCOT and then bring in 2 CAN?
Since all these programs been removed or blocked, what replaced them?
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So the President call an SOE and then gone on vacation.....so he send he troops in to help avert a crisis that has been already averted but we still need 3 more months to avert and then he give the SOE a middle finger and gone on vacation.....
Not one word.....not one word..... :-X
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So the President call an SOE and then gone on vacation.....so he send he troops in to help avert a crisis that has been already averted but we still need 3 more months to avert and then he give the SOE a middle finger and gone on vacation.....
Not one word.....not one word..... :-X
I not surprised. I notice coincidentally when controversial decisions are taken...(ie. Reshmi etc) Max either out of the country or leaves soon after. Take it as you want. Max know he term ending anyhow....and it outta he hands.
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So the President call an SOE and then gone on vacation.....so he send he troops in to help avert a crisis that has been already averted but we still need 3 more months to avert and then he give the SOE a middle finger and gone on vacation.....
Not one word.....not one word..... :-X
It gets betta Kamla and a posse goin NY for some Commonwealth meeting after all she is d Chair of d Commonwealth. Apperently they leave on the 15th
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I'm only guessing here, but if at least some of this is true, it makes sense. Obviously, the Aranguez guy would be a major player, dealing direct with the Mexicans. Like in any other business, you tend to know what your main competitor (in this case, the Colombians) are doing.
Example: If Pepsi are about to launch a major sales campaign, Coca Cola would usually know and quickly devise a campaign to counter it.
I guess its the same with drugs. The Colombians would have their distribution buyers lined up in advance. These buyers may also be clients of the Mexican cartel. When the Mexicans try to sell their coke, the buyers say "No thanks, we got a better price from the Mexicans and it will be coming in next week"
The big secret was probably that the police wanted to try to catch the buyers going to the Mexicans and the Colombians with their urgent stock replenishment, part of which may have been the $3.2 million seized on thursday.
I agree Bakes, that if this is the real deal, the Govt have been very underhanded and falsely accused the PNM's poor record on crime for causing the SOE, however, if these cartels were established more than 18 months ago, I guess they were justified.
Not at all justified... as Elan rightly points out the PNM were taking concrete steps to prevent just this sort of thing by protecting the country's borders. As I stated last week, it doesn't take a genius to understand where the focus on crime fighting should be... understandably this band of idiots ent figure it out yet.
Also, if averting this drug war was the reason for the SoE... haven't they averted it? Why do they still need another 3 mos of lockdown as Brownsugar said? They knew this big drug war was brewing yet they still send Gibbs on a junket to Brazil on the eve of it? Come on people.
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I'm only guessing here, but if at least some of this is true, it makes sense. Obviously, the Aranguez guy would be a major player, dealing direct with the Mexicans. Like in any other business, you tend to know what your main competitor (in this case, the Colombians) are doing.
Example: If Pepsi are about to launch a major sales campaign, Coca Cola would usually know and quickly devise a campaign to counter it.
I guess its the same with drugs. The Colombians would have their distribution buyers lined up in advance. These buyers may also be clients of the Mexican cartel. When the Mexicans try to sell their coke, the buyers say "No thanks, we got a better price from the Mexicans and it will be coming in next week"
The big secret was probably that the police wanted to try to catch the buyers going to the Mexicans and the Colombians with their urgent stock replenishment, part of which may have been the $3.2 million seized on thursday.
I agree Bakes, that if this is the real deal, the Govt have been very underhanded and falsely accused the PNM's poor record on crime for causing the SOE, however, if these cartels were established more than 18 months ago, I guess they were justified.
Not at all justified... as Elan rightly points out the PNM were taking concrete steps to prevent just this sort of thing by protecting the country's borders. As I stated last week, it doesn't take a genius to understand where the focus on crime fighting should be... understandably this band of idiots ent figure it out yet.
Also, if averting this drug war was the reason for the SoE... haven't they averted it? Why do they still need another 3 mos of lockdown as Brownsugar said? They knew this big drug war was brewing yet they still send Gibbs on a junket to Brazil on the eve of it? Come on people.
Because people in Trini vote them into power they are fully confident the public don't have enough sense to figure out that this latest excuse for calling the SOE doh hold much water!
Once they present it in the right way the public will buy it, don't worry!
This is all Manning's fault yes!!
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High-powered weapons seized at Piarco
A major breakthrough in the recovery of very sophisticated weaponry has been made after the seizure of 5 high-powered guns shipped from Thailand.
The guns were discovered on Tuesday night by Customs at TTPost located near the Piarco International Airport.
Weapons experts said the extremely powerful guns are used in assassinations.
The Protective Services are said to be alarmed by the discovery of the guns. The make of which, they said, were never seen in this country.
Earlier on Wednesday, the Prime Minister boasted that there has been a 400% increase in the confiscation of guns since the introduction of the State of Emergency.
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=31468&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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"the Prime Minister boasted that there has been a 400% increase in the confiscation of guns"
Remember, statistics can be misleading. In fact a recent government survey showed that while 86% of government statistics were accurate, the other 29% were inaccurate
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High-powered weapons seized at Piarco
A major breakthrough in the recovery of very sophisticated weaponry has been made after the seizure of 5 high-powered guns shipped from Thailand.
The guns were discovered on Tuesday night by Customs at TTPost located near the Piarco International Airport.
Weapons experts said the extremely powerful guns are used in assassinations.
The Protective Services are said to be alarmed by the discovery of the guns. The make of which, they said, were never seen in this country.
Earlier on Wednesday, the Prime Minister boasted that there has been a 400% increase in the confiscation of guns since the introduction of the State of Emergency.
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=31468&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Every law enforcement effort made from now to the end will be used to justify the State of Emergency... never mind that this seizure by customs has nothing to do with it. They extend the SoE so that they would have more things to attribute as "success" under it. Simple as that.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PXC6UtdzKQ&feature=share
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http://www.youtube.com/v/Y1mowPvzDBk&feature=player_embedded
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High-powered weapons seized at Piarco
A major breakthrough in the recovery of very sophisticated weaponry has been made after the seizure of 5 high-powered guns shipped from Thailand.
The guns were discovered on Tuesday night by Customs at TTPost located near the Piarco International Airport.
Weapons experts said the extremely powerful guns are used in assassinations.
The Protective Services are said to be alarmed by the discovery of the guns. The make of which, they said, were never seen in this country.
Earlier on Wednesday, the Prime Minister boasted that there has been a 400% increase in the confiscation of guns since the introduction of the State of Emergency.
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=31468&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Every law enforcement effort made from now to the end will be used to justify the State of Emergency... never mind that this seizure by customs has nothing to do with it. They extend the SoE so that they would have more things to attribute as "success" under it. Simple as that.
I agree that they are padding the list with busts made incongruent to the SOE but if law enforcement actually seized guns then I'm more than happy about that.
I hope this is not like the story of a diesel filled bunker under scrap yards in the Beetham that appears to be rum talk.
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I agree that they are padding the list with busts made incongruent to the SOE but if law enforcement actually seized guns then I'm more than happy about that.
I hope this is not like the story of a diesel filled bunker under scrap yards in the Beetham that appears to be rum talk.
That's not the issue... the issue is/are the shifting justifications for the State of Emergency. If they are successful in the end in passing this off as a 'success' then it would become much easier for government (whether PP or PNM) to suspend civil liberties in future. There must be a firm basis upon which this is done prior to the decision being made, rather than ex post facto rationalizations.
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dey are sum dumb jackass wrking in customs.. Put a tracker on the freeking box and see who picking it up or they afraid to do dat because dey eh wah the truth to come out.. samething wid the cocaine.. if they want di big fish dey have to follow it..
war
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Aye local based....if all yuh have any traffic tickets outstanding or all yuh eh minding all yuh chirren and have maintenance outstanding.....dey coming for all yuh eh.....in de middle ah de night.....without a warrant being shown....because hey we under an SOE so de popo could do what de hell dey want....
Just heard John Gill of I95.5 fm recount a story.......ah too busy now to give details.....but all who happy like pappy over this SOE I glad for all yuh.....as for me......
Not one word..... :-X
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I hope this is not like the story of a diesel filled bunker under scrap yards in the Beetham that appears to be rum talk.
Last night they showed the location of it on TV6
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I hope this is not like the story of a diesel filled bunker under scrap yards in the Beetham that appears to be rum talk.
Last night they showed the location of it on TV6
Did u c d bunker?
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I hope this is not like the story of a diesel filled bunker under scrap yards in the Beetham that appears to be rum talk.
Last night they showed the location of it on TV6
err clue mih in, what would the diesel be used for?
and how come tv6 alone does get all these big scoops.
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I hope this is not like the story of a diesel filled bunker under scrap yards in the Beetham that appears to be rum talk.
Last night they showed the location of it on TV6
err clue mih in, what would the diesel be used for?
and how come tv6 alone does get all these big scoops.
Dey very good I guess
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Some of the (probably unintended) results of the SOE so far have been an increased public awareness of the gang controlled drug trade. Some of the information made available (only a tiny percentage by the govt) has made us all realise the sheer size of the drug trade in T&T and its influence overseas. People are now aware that Mexicans, Russians, Chinese and Vietnamese drug gangs are operating here.
It seems the main effect achieved by the SOE is to make people aware exactly how bad crime is in T&T and how successive govts have been unable to deal with it. I believe this will have two effects. First, I think the public will support the SOE blindly out of fear. Even when innocents are wrongly arrested and detained, the public will not blink. Many see the work of Ian Alleyne as part of the SOE and Crimewatch is becoming a PR representative of the SOE and govt.
Second, every day, the govt is digging itself a deeper hole which means bigger better results are needed. Despite the 400% improvement on gun seizures fairy tale, people want to see big gun busts. Two rusty guns in a scrapyard doesn't fool anyone. The people want to see a cache, 20 or 30 weapons wrapped in grease paper, shiny and oiled in the roof of some business mans house. These rusty old guns are giveaways. You really going to war with a home made shotgun when you run a multi million drug gang?
I have mentioned before the Hollywood think tank created by US law enforcers, which includes Quentin Tarantino and Tom Clancy. They devise plots based on facts supplied by law enforcers. Once they have created a scenario, the lawmen go off and investigate if this scenario is actually happening. This was borne from the fact that several novels, including one by Clancy, saw planes crashing into Washington BEFORE 9/11.
So, on the basis that we don't have Clancy & Tarantino, heres my offering:
A government in a Caribbean nation is losing control. Police and public services threatening to bring the country to its knees. Crime at an all time high and no discernable plans in place to reduce it. Gangs happy to conduct murders in broad daylight. Corruption with law agencies means the big fish never arrested. Corruption in all levels of public services including the cabinet. Internal political pressure on a splintering coalition government. Gross mismanagement of government funds leading to the requirement to double government borrowing and incur debt of over $25 billion. Top line businessmen and politicians controlling or involved in financing drug trade. Removal of anti crime initiatives such as the aerial counter intelligence, offshore patrol boats, specialised CIA style task forces, allows greater ease of trafficking.
A massive drug turf war is looming. Mexican drug lords plan to take over the drug trade from Colombians. The Mexican drug lords have weight with senior police union officials and push then to disrupt the police service. The public will become outraged, particularly if the gangs are planning to wage this war once the police go on strike. The Colombian drug lords have weight with senior cabinet officials and urge them to curb the police strike threat. They offer up a large cocaine shipment and conduct some public murders to escalate fears.
Key cartel supporters inside government advise cabinet to go to state of emergency. Once this happens, the drug war is curtailed and the Mexicans temporarily thwarted. In order to ensure the SOE is extended, low level gang members are sacrificed and information on worthless weapons and fall guys is passed via a tv crime show.
Once the SOE is extended, there is a significant reduction in arrest levels and gun & drug seizures. The Mexicans cannot move their drugs in sufficient quantities and its just too hot to continue, so they pull out of the country and look for another new market to control. The Jamaican market is still not yet realigned after the Dudas arrest, but the govt there is looking to stabilise the trade and will entertain the Mexicans.
Despite the "success" of the SOE, the public still demand a big fish, so a top black businessman is provided as a scapegoat by the bosses of ethnic cartels. The SOE ends, the government have averted a crisis and award the police a 6% pay rise as they saved the country from the gangs. The murder rate falls as there is no longer a turf war and the local Colombian fed gangs have drawn a truce with clear territorial demarcation to avoid turf wars.
Now, this is just fiction, but when you start to write these things down, it does make you wonder. The Hollywood think tank does exactly this. Except, of course, the law enforcement agencies would actually investigate the possibility of the above.
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Some of the (probably unintended) results of the SOE so far have been an increased public awareness of the gang controlled drug trade. Some of the information made available (only a tiny percentage by the govt) has made us all realise the sheer size of the drug trade in T&T and its influence overseas. People are now aware that Mexicans, Russians, Chinese and Vietnamese drug gangs are operating here.
It seems the main effect achieved by the SOE is to make people aware exactly how bad crime is in T&T and how successive govts have been unable to deal with it. I believe this will have two effects. First, I think the public will support the SOE blindly out of fear. Even when innocents are wrongly arrested and detained, the public will not blink. Many see the work of Ian Alleyne as part of the SOE and Crimewatch is becoming a PR representative of the SOE and govt.
Second, every day, the govt is digging itself a deeper hole which means bigger better results are needed. Despite the 400% improvement on gun seizures fairy tale, people want to see big gun busts. Two rusty guns in a scrapyard doesn't fool anyone. The people want to see a cache, 20 or 30 weapons wrapped in grease paper, shiny and oiled in the roof of some business mans house. These rusty old guns are giveaways. You really going to war with a home made shotgun when you run a multi million drug gang?
I have mentioned before the Hollywood think tank created by US law enforcers, which includes Quentin Tarantino and Tom Clancy. They devise plots based on facts supplied by law enforcers. Once they have created a scenario, the lawmen go off and investigate if this scenario is actually happening. This was borne from the fact that several novels, including one by Clancy, saw planes crashing into Washington BEFORE 9/11.
So, on the basis that we don't have Clancy & Tarantino, heres my offering:
A government in a Caribbean nation is losing control. Police and public services threatening to bring the country to its knees. Crime at an all time high and no discernable plans in place to reduce it. Gangs happy to conduct murders in broad daylight. Corruption with law agencies means the big fish never arrested. Corruption in all levels of public services including the cabinet. Internal political pressure on a splintering coalition government. Gross mismanagement of government funds leading to the requirement to double government borrowing and incur debt of over $25 billion. Top line businessmen and politicians controlling or involved in financing drug trade. Removal of anti crime initiatives such as the aerial counter intelligence, offshore patrol boats, specialised CIA style task forces, allows greater ease of trafficking.
A massive drug turf war is looming. Mexican drug lords plan to take over the drug trade from Colombians. The Mexican drug lords have weight with senior police union officials and push then to disrupt the police service. The public will become outraged, particularly if the gangs are planning to wage this war once the police go on strike. The Colombian drug lords have weight with senior cabinet officials and urge them to curb the police strike threat. They offer up a large cocaine shipment and conduct some public murders to escalate fears.
Key cartel supporters inside government advise cabinet to go to state of emergency. Once this happens, the drug war is curtailed and the Mexicans temporarily thwarted. In order to ensure the SOE is extended, low level gang members are sacrificed and information on worthless weapons and fall guys is passed via a tv crime show.
Once the SOE is extended, there is a significant reduction in arrest levels and gun & drug seizures. The Mexicans cannot move their drugs in sufficient quantities and its just too hot to continue, so they pull out of the country and look for another new market to control. The Jamaican market is still not yet realigned after the Dudas arrest, but the govt there is looking to stabilise the trade and will entertain the Mexicans.
Despite the "success" of the SOE, the public still demand a big fish, so a top black businessman is provided as a scapegoat by the bosses of ethnic cartels. The SOE ends, the government have averted a crisis and award the police a 6% pay rise as they saved the country from the gangs. The murder rate falls as there is no longer a turf war and the local Colombian fed gangs have drawn a truce with clear territorial demarcation to avoid turf wars.
Now, this is just fiction, but when you start to write these things down, it does make you wonder. The Hollywood think tank does exactly this. Except, of course, the law enforcement agencies would actually investigate the possibility of the above.
FS, ah cyah lie eh, you should be writing movie scripts for Hollywood!! :beermug:
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HUNT FOR DRUG LORD
The packages of cocaine, worth $22 million, that were found in two suitcases at the Piarco International Airport on August 16 have been traced to a man, in New York, who is now being sought by the United States (US) Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) working alongside officers of this country’s Organised Crime Narcotics and Firearms Bureau (OCNFB).
A manhunt is now on for the man who fled his apartment on hearing that the $22 million cocaine had been seized in Trinidad and Tobago. His nationality is unknown.
The man’s name appeared on the computer-generated name tags attached to the two suitcases which he was supposed to pick up at the JFK International Airport in New York, at about 3 am, on August 17.
US authorities were contacted through Interpol for assistance in locating the man and searched his apartment in New York but he had already fled. The US authorities have described the man as a suspected drug dealer with links to Colombia, and believe that he is still in the US.
A source at the OCNFB told Newsday yesterday that local officers are close to making a major breakthrough in the local investigation surrounding the seizure of the cocaine at Piarco.
Following the arrest of a 19-year-old Service Air employee, who was charged for trafficking of the cocaine, an investigation was carried out by OCNFB officers who viewed tapes from the airport. The footage showed the Service Air employee was not at his computer terminal at the time the two suitcases were tagged.
The computer was checked by police officers who discovered that the two suitcases were tagged in the name of the man who was supposed to pick up the drugs at the JFK airport.
Officers have said it is possible that someone used the computer to tag the two suitcases unknown to the Service Air employee, who has sworn his innocence to his attorneys.
Up to yesterday, the accused remained incarcerated at the Remand Section of the Golden Grove Prison in Arouca. Intelligence sources based in the US have revealed that the drugs seized at Piarco originated in Colombia and a thriving drug trade exists between Colombia, Trinidad and the United States.
A DEA officer told Newsday that drugs amounting to millions of US dollars pass through Trinidad on a daily basis en route to North American cities.
The officer said that persons working at airports and other ports of entry are paid as little as $2,500 to clear baggage containing drugs which are then shipped or flown to the US.
Newsday understands that the drugs seized at Piarco belonged to a Colombian who has sent his associates to Trinidad to deal with a local drug lord with Mexican links, who reportedly tipped off the police about the cocaine at Piarco. This information is believed to have prompted the state of emergency by Government who believed that the decision averted a major crisis involving warring gangs.
Yesterday, police officers from intelligence agencies carried out searches throughout the country for persons believed to be associated with the Colombian and Mexican drug lords.
Those persons are believed to be responsible for bringing in millions of dollars worth of drugs into this country for export to other countries.
http://www.newsday.co.tt/news/0,146868.html
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Following the arrest of a 19-year-old Service Air employee, who was charged for trafficking of the cocaine, an investigation was carried out by OCNFB officers who viewed tapes from the airport. The footage showed the Service Air employee was not at his computer terminal at the time the two suitcases were tagged.
The computer was checked by police officers who discovered that the two suitcases were tagged in the name of the man who was supposed to pick up the drugs at the JFK airport.
Officers have said it is possible that someone used the computer to tag the two suitcases unknown to the Service Air employee. No shit ,Sherlock?
I would guess that the 19 year old is paid a liitle change to take a 10 minute break but not lock his terminal.That way, if he's caught, he knows nothing. My question is, if they have tapes that show he wasn't there at the time, why don't they have tapes to show who was there?
Of course, the reason is that airport security is also involved and the cameras were switched off while the info was entered. So, it should be simple to check the date stamp on the entry and ascertain who was manning the camera control centre at that time. But, of course, that guy too, will have been taking a comfort break, with plenty of witnesses.
We can summise that this shipment was not the first to pass through Piarco, so there must be a nest of people in the pay of the drug men at the airport. Its funny, but Piarco workers not only work through the hours of curfew, but they also get curfew passes. This must be a great time to fly drugs out of the country with all the police in Laventille & Beetham!
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I hope this is not like the story of a diesel filled bunker under scrap yards in the Beetham that appears to be rum talk.
Last night they showed the location of it on TV6
err clue mih in, what would the diesel be used for?
and how come tv6 alone does get all these big scoops.
Dutty cuz of the cheap price of diesel and gas to locals it have big big business to store it and then put it in barrels and sell it to yachties and foreign fishing boats and even the large pleasure boats. They charge more than the usual price here but still plenty cheaper than what you get further up the islands.
That's why whenever trinis going to fishing tourneys up the islands they fill up barrels before they go and store them at the tournament docks to make sure they have cheap fuel to use to come back and don't have to buy the expensive fuel where every they may be.
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Newsday understands that the drugs seized at Piarco belonged to a Colombian who has sent his associates to Trinidad to deal with a local drug lord with Mexican links, who reportedly tipped off the police about the cocaine at Piarco. This information is believed to have prompted the state of emergency by Government who believed that the decision averted a major crisis involving warring gangs.
Let's say this is the absolute truth. Why was this hidden for so long and, if a crisis was averted where are the arrests of the associated gangs ?
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Now hearing Police find 10,000 rounds of ammo this morning , 13 firearms (Uzi, shotgun, etc) and a kilo of Cocaine in Las Cuevas (edit: Correction 1 kilo Marijuana)
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Now hearing Police find 10,000 rounds of ammo this morning , 13 firearms (Uzi, shotgun, etc) and a kilo of Cocaine in Las Cuevas
Thats more like it....if its true.
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Got it.
Uzi, Mack-10 among major arms found at Rincon
Police recovered 13 firearms, including an Uzi and a Mack-10, and a flare gun in an exercise at Rincon, Las Cuevas on Trinidad's North Coast on Thursday morning.
The raid took officers two miles into the forest where they recovered 1 Bushmaster, 1 Mack-10, 1 Uzi, 1 Tech-9, 2 self-loading rifles, 3 303-rifles, 1 .25-rifle and 4 pump action guns.
Among the items retrieved were 17 assorted magazines, over 10,000 rounds of assorted ammunition, 3 bullet proof vests, 2 ski masks and one kilogramme of marijuana,.
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=31486&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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I hope this is not like the story of a diesel filled bunker under scrap yards in the Beetham that appears to be rum talk.
Last night they showed the location of it on TV6
err clue mih in, what would the diesel be used for?
and how come tv6 alone does get all these big scoops.
Dutty cuz of the cheap price of diesel and gas to locals it have big big business to store it and then put it in barrels and sell it to yachties and foreign fishing boats and even the large pleasure boats. They charge more than the usual price here but still plenty cheaper than what you get further up the islands.
That's why whenever trinis going to fishing tourneys up the islands they fill up barrels before they go and store them at the tournament docks to make sure they have cheap fuel to use to come back and don't have to buy the expensive fuel where every they may be.
oh ok..thanks...thought it had someting to do with the drug trade
still, beetham is ah odd place to store that
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Got it.
Uzi, Mack-10 among major arms found at Rincon
Police recovered 13 firearms, including an Uzi and a Mack-10, and a flare gun in an exercise at Rincon, Las Cuevas on Trinidad's North Coast on Thursday morning.
The raid took officers two miles into the forest where they recovered 1 Bushmaster, 1 Mack-10, 1 Uzi, 1 Tech-9, 2 self-loading rifles, 3 303-rifles, 1 .25-rifle and 4 pump action guns.
Among the items retrieved were 17 assorted magazines, over 10,000 rounds of assorted ammunition, 3 bullet proof vests, 2 ski masks and one kilogramme of marijuana,.
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=31486&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
They probably getting info from detainees.
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Got it.
Uzi, Mack-10 among major arms found at Rincon
Police recovered 13 firearms, including an Uzi and a Mack-10, and a flare gun in an exercise at Rincon, Las Cuevas on Trinidad's North Coast on Thursday morning.
The raid took officers two miles into the forest where they recovered 1 Bushmaster, 1 Mack-10, 1 Uzi, 1 Tech-9, 2 self-loading rifles, 3 303-rifles, 1 .25-rifle and 4 pump action guns.
Among the items retrieved were 17 assorted magazines, over 10,000 rounds of assorted ammunition, 3 bullet proof vests, 2 ski masks and one kilogramme of marijuana,.
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=31486&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
thats it. i not goin hiking till d SoE over.
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all dem guns dey finding and yet still rowly and sum of allyuh pussyhole talking bout the SOE not good? check allyuself bredda lock dung di whole a facking TNT including caroni and beat and capture di wutless pieces of shitholes we have terrorising our citizens.. Di Police and di Army is my new friends.. wipe out every facking pest go boroughs innah dey ass..... I want to see firewrks.. light up laventille ,maloney.. couva ,500 edinberg (the once nice area dat manning turn into a ghetto) Light them up wid bullets ,buroughs style mi sey...
war
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SoE Operational Update: 1,597 now detained
Police arrested 92 persons between 8am on Wednesday September 7th, 2011 to 8am on Thursday September 8th, 2011, bringing the total number of detainees held since the State of Emergency began to 1,597.
A statement from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Communications said the latest detainees were arrested on various offences.
"Two arrests were gang related, 8 for breach of curfew, 9 for serious offences, 70 on outstanding warrants, and 2 persons were held for enquiries."
To date, a total of 1,597 persons have been arrested. The Ministry gave the following breakdown:
"437 gang related, 287 for drug offences, 357 for serious offences, 36 for homicide investigations, 100 for breach of curfew, 40 for enquiries, 241 for traffic offences, and 340 for outstanding warrants."
The Ministry confirmed that 2,017 rounds of ammunition have been seized, along with 5 magazines. A total of 62 firearms have also been seized for the period.
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They probably getting info from detainees.
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mm mmmm..dey waterboardin dem boy in St. James barracks
Ah cyah help but draw some imperfect parallels between the SOE & the yankee war on terror
Draconian laws to keep we ‘safe’
Conflicting stories from the leaders
Emerging stories of a major plot being thwarted
The President is not de spokesperson
Mass Arrests,, innocent and guilty in de system
Only difference is T&T police finding weapons of mass destruction
Ah wonder if we go pull dong cipriani statue wit rope and beat it wit shoes
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http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=31486&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
They probably getting info from detainees.
mm mmmm..dey waterboardin dem boy in St. James barracks
Ah cyah help but draw some imperfect parallels between the SOE & the yankee war on terror
Draconian laws to keep we ‘safe’
Conflicting stories from the leaders
Emerging stories of a major plot being thwarted
The President is not de spokesperson
Mass Arrests,, innocent and guilty in de system
Only difference is T&T police finding weapons of mass destruction
Ah wonder if we go pull dong cipriani statue wit rope and beat it wit shoes
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Ah yes dutty, good one :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Black market price for stolen diesel: $2.5M
Thursday 8th September, 2011
The Acting Comptroller of Customs, Mr Anthony Chandler, has confirmed that the stolen diesel found in an abandoned scrap yard and in a derelict Taiwanese trawler off Sea Lots on August 23rd, amounted to 90,000 gallons and would have sold on the black market for $TT2.5 million.
Speaking at the Post Cabinet Media Briefing, Mr Chandler said the diesel was found on a Sea Lots compound which also doubles as a scrap metal business place.
"When the officers got there, they found several containers of fuel. They were contained in over 100 IBC tanks, those are the plastic tanks enclosed in a metal frame, each containing about 1,000 litres, that's about 250 gallons. In addition, there was a truck on the compound fitted with a diesel tank with 500 gallons of fuel. But the main find was just to the shoreline, where a derelict vessel, a discarded Taiwanese trawler, which was in fact being cut up as scrap to be exported. This process was apparently aborted for a different type of business and it was used in the storage tanks that were under the deck of that vessel. Those were the ballast tanks and cold storage tanks which would have been used to store a cache when those trawlers would have gone out. They were now converted into storage tanks and they contained approximately 60,000 gallons of diesel fuel."
Mr Chandler said several persons were arrested and the investigation is ongoing into the planned exportation of the fuel.
He also outlined the high price this combined 90,000 gallons of fuel would have fetched on the market: "With a value of just over TT$600,000, and that is at the subsidised price. I am advised that this would have sold on the black market at US$1.75 a gallon which will net something in the vicinity of TT$2.5 million to those persons who are engaged in that illegal trade."
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=31512&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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Wha happen dat dey couldn't say whose property?
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This is unbelievable. Right in plain sight.Who in NP stealing fuel?
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ah hear ah union man say it have 3 container ah drugs in point lisas right now and dat it belong to suit an tie men lewwe yes how dat goin dong considerin dat point Lisas was strangely neglected in all ah dis
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Rifles found at TTPost identified as Panther AR-15s
Thursday 8th September, 2011
The Acting Comptroller of Customs, Mr Anthony Chandler, has confirmed that the 5 high-powered rifles found at TTPost were in fact Panther AR-15s.
Officers made the discovery on Tuesday as they scanned packages for export. Images relayed through the scanners indicated that the rifles were disassembled.
Mr Chandler said, "When this package was opened, we discovered 5 new dis-assembled Panther Rifles, AR-15. They are calibrated to carry .38, Winchester, or 7.62 rounds of ammunition. The package originally came into Trinidad and Tobago on 8th of August from the United States and it was addressed to a person in Thailand. We are still investigating both local and internationally, how these packages ended up in Trinidad."
In addition to the army and the Organisation of Narcotics and Firearms Bureau's involvement in the investigation, the Acting Comptroller of Customs stated the FBI and US Customs are also pursuing the matter.
He said not only were US and TT laws violated, but there are other international violations including one relative to the Postal Services.
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ah hear ah union man say it have 3 container ah drugs in point lisas right now and dat it belong to suit an tie men lewwe yes how dat goin dong considerin dat point Lisas was strangely neglected in all ah dis
tv6 say is 13 container
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alyuh seeing them guns on tv6 now?? :o
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Black market price for stolen diesel: $2.5M
Thursday 8th September, 2011
The Acting Comptroller of Customs, Mr Anthony Chandler, has confirmed that the stolen diesel found in an abandoned scrap yard and in a derelict Taiwanese trawler off Sea Lots on August 23rd, amounted to 90,000 gallons and would have sold on the black market for $TT2.5 million.
Speaking at the Post Cabinet Media Briefing, Mr Chandler said the diesel was found on a Sea Lots compound which also doubles as a scrap metal business place.
"When the officers got there, they found several containers of fuel. They were contained in over 100 IBC tanks, those are the plastic tanks enclosed in a metal frame, each containing about 1,000 litres, that's about 250 gallons. In addition, there was a truck on the compound fitted with a diesel tank with 500 gallons of fuel. But the main find was just to the shoreline, where a derelict vessel, a discarded Taiwanese trawler, which was in fact being cut up as scrap to be exported. This process was apparently aborted for a different type of business and it was used in the storage tanks that were under the deck of that vessel. Those were the ballast tanks and cold storage tanks which would have been used to store a cache when those trawlers would have gone out. They were now converted into storage tanks and they contained approximately 60,000 gallons of diesel fuel."
Mr Chandler said several persons were arrested and the investigation is ongoing into the planned exportation of the fuel.
He also outlined the high price this combined 90,000 gallons of fuel would have fetched on the market: "With a value of just over TT$600,000, and that is at the subsidised price. I am advised that this would have sold on the black market at US$1.75 a gallon which will net something in the vicinity of TT$2.5 million to those persons who are engaged in that illegal trade."
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Just saw this on tv. They had laid pvc piping from containers on shore out to the ship and put a hose inside to refill containers. A real multi million dollar business. These scrap metal people whining about losing their business, but I wonder, how many pay tax, how many of their workers pay tax or get holiday pay etc? Some may be innocent, but we now know that scrap was used to make guns, guns were hidden under the scrap and now diesel being smuggled out. Plus, the scrap metal was an eyesore for any visitor entering Port of Spain from Piarco.
Scrap metal is traditionally a cash business and you can only probably make real money by side stepping tax etc. In England they say "where there's muck, there's brass" meaning most of the dirty jobs most people won't do can be lucrative. I very much doubt that these guys can provide the A.G. with receipts and accounts.
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Just saw this on tv. They had laid pvc piping from containers on shore out to the ship and put a hose inside to refill containers. A real multi million dollar business. These scrap metal people whining about losing their business, but I wonder, how many pay tax, how many of their workers pay tax or get holiday pay etc? Some may be innocent, but we now know that scrap was used to make guns, guns were hidden under the scrap and now diesel being smuggled out. Plus, the scrap metal was an eyesore for any visitor entering Port of Spain from Piarco.
Scrap metal is traditionally a cash business and you can only probably make real money by side stepping tax etc. In England they say "where there's muck, there's brass" meaning most of the dirty jobs most people won't do can be lucrative. I very much doubt that these guys can provide the A.G. with receipts and accounts.
I fail to see what any of this has to do with anything.
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Got it.
Uzi, Mack-10 among major arms found at Rincon
Police recovered 13 firearms, including an Uzi and a Mack-10, and a flare gun in an exercise at Rincon, Las Cuevas on Trinidad's North Coast on Thursday morning.
The raid took officers two miles into the forest where they recovered 1 Bushmaster, 1 Mack-10, 1 Uzi, 1 Tech-9, 2 self-loading rifles, 3 303-rifles, 1 .25-rifle and 4 pump action guns.
Among the items retrieved were 17 assorted magazines, over 10,000 rounds of assorted ammunition, 3 bullet proof vests, 2 ski masks and one kilogramme of marijuana,.
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=31486&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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Trying to connect a few dots here...
9 held, 7 guns seized in $700M coke bust *LINK*
Posted By: News
Date: 25, August 05, at 7:14 a.m.
By NALINEE SEELAL, newsday.co.tt
COCAINE with a street value of more than TT$700 million, seven guns and ammunition were seized during a sting operation at Monos Island by officers of the Coast Guard, the Special Anti-Crime Unit (SAUTT), and Western Division police yesterday.
Four Venezuelans, four Trinidadians and an Antiguan were arrested.
The nine suspects were taken to the St James Police Station where they were being quizzed up to late yesterday by officers of the Organised Crime and Narcotics Unit (OCNU).
The guns were stored at the St James Police Station while the drugs, weighing 1749.9 kilogrammes, were taken to the OCNU office on Richmond Street, Port-of-Spain.
Police officers described the seizure of the drugs and cache of arms as the biggest for the year.
The guns seized included one 7.62 SLR, one mini UZI, one Glock, one Browning Pistol, one Baretta, one revolver and one AR-180 5.56 automatic rifle.
Officers also seized two magazines with 46 rounds, six rounds of .38 ammunition, 25 rounds of .380 in one magazine, 24 rounds in another two magazines, another 47 rounds in another magazine and 99 rounds in three magazines for a 7.62 weapon.
Police officers told Newsday that with the seizure of drugs and guns, they feel they may be able to make a breakthrough into a major drug trafficking operation at Monos Island. Officers believe the cocaine was supposed to be sold to American drug dealers.
The origin of the cocaine was traced to Venezuela, via Colombia.
Coast Guard sources revealed that the suspects had been under surveillance for a while based on key information received.
SAUTT officers, who are soon expected to receive their own fleet of speedboats, were informed by Coast Guard about the drug operation, and assisted in the exercise.
Officers surrounded a house at Monos Island early yesterday and staked out the area.
At about 3 am, the officers surrounded a house on the island, and conducted a search. A vessel was also searched and seized. The nine suspects were held during the massive cocaine seizure, while the guns and ammunition were later seized. The nine suspects will appear before a Port-of-Spain magistrate today.
In a release sent yesterday, the Coast Guard revealed that the seizures resulted from a surveillance exercise to curtail illegal activities occurring on Monos Island.
Around 3 am yesterday, vessels were detected on radar and intercepted by Coast Guard sea crafts. Additional investigations led to the seizure of the cache of arms.
Trinidad and Tobago's Newsday : newsday.co.tt :
Koury's Body Found
Posted By: Ayinde
Date: 24, September 05, at 2:45 a.m.
In Response To: Hunt on for drug kingpin (News)
KOURY'S BODY FOUND
Headless corpse in Central orange field
The headless body of kidnap victim Dr Eddie Koury, the nephew of Health Minister John Rahael, was found yesterday in an orange field off Todd's Road, Chaguanas
The identity of the body was confirmed to the Express by Koury's cousin, George Hadeed.
Around 4 p.m. yesterday, a Todd's Road resident noticed a stench coming from an orange field in the area. He told other residents and together they found the body.
The body bore several stab wounds and was clothed in a pair of black pants and blue shirt, reportedly the same items worn by Koury the day he was kidnapped.
Police were up to last night searching for the head and the body was taken to the mortuary at the Port of Spain General Hospital.
Koury, who was the managing director of Isko Enterprises Ltd, an import and distribution company in Macoya, was kidnapped from his office at 7.45 a.m. on Wednesday by a group of five men who had earlier carjacked a taxi-driver and used his car as their getaway vehicle.
The kidnappers had stormed the Macoya Industrial Estate based company, threatened one of the workers with a gun as they entered Koury's office.
There was a struggle and the 38-year-old businessman was stabbed several times about the body. He was then dragged out of the office and bundled him into the trunk of the taxi.
Shortly after 8 o'clock that morning the blood stained taxi with its bedraggled driver, Ramsaran Samlal, was found at Orange Grove Extension Road in Tacarigua.
Hours later, police held five suspects from Tobago at a house in D'Abadie and seized a gun but up to last night, no charges had been laid against them.
Police had expressed doubt that Koury would have survived the multiple stabbing.
Koury's family, including his sister-in-law Karen Koury and his cousin George Hadeed held a press conference around 4 p.m. on Wednesday and pleaded with the kidnappers to "please release our Eddie. We know that he is hurt and we know that he is bleeding".
Police continued their search for Koury on Thursday using a National Security helicopter which was seen hovering over parts of east Trinidad including Curepe, Tunapuna, Tacarigua and Arouca.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index...s?id=103769755
Koury went to Colombia
Posted By: News
Date: 9, October 05, at 5:12 a.m
In Response To: Koury's Body Found (Ayinde)
Cops probe Egypt-trained Muslims, drugs and want to know why
Koury went to Colombia
... $50 worth of plastic bags, but panic prevents body from being cut into pieces; Rahael's nephew head dumped behind Gulf City
October 02, 2005
WHY did murdered businessman Dr. Eddie Koury travel to Colombia?
This is what local cops investigating his murder would like to find out.
And the cops are also reportedly probing a link with fundamental Muslims trained in Egypt.
Investigations have reportedly revealed that Koury, the nephew of Health Minister John Rahael, only returned from the cocaine capital of the world two weeks before he was “kidnapped” from his business- place, ISKO Ltd. at Macoya, Tunapuna and cruelly murdered.
However, investigators have not confirmed whether Koury went to Colombia for drug dealing.
“It may have been on legitimate business,” said a police source.
“After all, he was a wealthy businessman involved in the import-export trade.
“So we are still investigating.”
Koury was stabbed and when his body was found a few days later at Caparo, it was minus its head.
Sources told TnT Mirror that Koury's head may have been dumped somewhere in the Gulf City area, in a swamp.
“In fact, we have been told it was dumped in that area,” said a police source.
“So it is just a question of finding it, if that is still possible.”
The source added: “The aim was to cut up the body into parts and dumps them in various places.
“Fifty dollars worth of plastic bags had already been purchased to put the pieces of his body into for dumping.
“However, some panic may have taken place and only the head was cut off and dumped in the Gulf City area, while the rest of his body was dumped in central.”
The senior police source added: “But there are still many missing pieces to the murder.
“Yes, two men have been charged, but we still have a lot of investigating to do.
“Something just doesn't add up.
“In fact, our information is that the decapitation of Koury's body was never part of the plans for him.
“And we don't fully understand the Egypt fundamentalist Muslim link.
“Who did he really meet in Colombia?”
The source added: “Yes, we are also hearing about Koury having links about drugs Down the Islands, but that is still under probe.
“That Monos Islands drugs belonged to the Colombians and we also know that when it was seized the businessmen no longer wanted to pay for it, so we are also looking at that.”
The police source confirmed that a female had tipped them off to give them the first break in the case.
And that another youth was promised a trip to Egypt, to be trained in Islam.
Meanwhile, other underworld sources are also talking about a counterfeit dollars link.
“But the Syrian community is so closed-knit that it is difficult to get anything out of them,” the source added.
“We are also aware that Koury had plenty money so we don't understand the counterfeit link.
“No one is talking.
“Koury's death has left more questions than answers.”
BIG COKE WAR
Posted By: News
Date: 27, August 05, at 6:31 p.m.
Local Whites, Syrians in
BIG COKE WAR
... cartels fight led to $700m Monos Island drug bust
A SPITEFUL fall-out between two factions of a local drug syndicate has resulted in tit-for-tat squealing by rival factions.
That, according to a source close to both factions, is what led to Monday’s drug bust on Monos Island that netted 1.75 tonnes of pure cocaine with an estimated street value of $700 million.
A Uzi machine gun, four handguns, two assault rifles and 247 rounds of assorted ammunition were also seized in the raid on a house on the island.
The operation, which was spearheaded by the Coast Guard, also included officers from the Police Western Division, with intelligence support from the Special Anti-Crime Unit of TnT (SAUTT) and later involvement of the Organised Crime and Narcotics Unit (OCNU).
Two Trinidadians, five Venezuelans and an Antiguan were arrested at the house, owned by a member of a prominent business family operating out of the Western Peninsula.
Four days earlier, an even bigger haul of some three tonnes of cocaine was intercepted on a boat off Venezuelan waters in a joint operation between the Venezuelan Coast Guard and the French Navy.
Intelligence reports have traced the intended destination of that shipment to Trinidad.
It is believed that the intended recipient was a Syrian-controlled faction of the powerful local syndicate that is now divided.
The other faction involves a local Portuguese/French Creole bourgeois grouping of business associates.
Individuals from both factions are well-endowed in the various business organisations.
Members of this bourgeois business group allegedly controlled the drug seized on Monos.
TnT Mirror understands that the Syrian drug mafia, which is able to assuage greater sway in the government than the rival faction, was responsible for spilling the beans because it was believed that the rival faction had something to do with the Venezuelan interception of its shipment.
Mirror understands that the seizure resulted in the loss of hundreds of millions of dollars by the Syrian side of the cartel. This loss led to the offended party using its political connections to have the other side of the split cartel suffer a similar fate.
Information was leaked about illegal drug trafficking taking place just a stone’s throw from the Coast Guard Headquarters, resulting in the major drug bust on Monos Island.
Monos is a luxury resort island with private holiday houses owned almost exclusively by well-known business families.
The imminent arrest of high profile persons connected to the Monos drug bust is expected to bring about major shifts in the underground illegal drug trade.
Intelligence reports suggests that the split between both groups had degenerated into a petty real estate dogfight, in which the Syrian-controlled faction was using its closeness to the government to prevent state rental of properties owned by members of the other side.
Cocaine is shipped out of Trinidad to European and North American destinations via air conditioning units, yachts, speedboats and containers.
It is sometimes routed through other Caribbean Islands on which members of the rival groups have a network of business operations.
http://www.tntmirror.com/friday/2005/aug26/story01.htm
Murder connected to Monos drug bust
Posted By: News
Date: 30, September 05, at 10:00 a.m.
War intensifies ...
Hit on Rahael
... nephew's murder connected to Monos drug bust, Bryden fire
TnT Mirror
HEALTH Minister John Rahael is the main target marked for execution by a cartel of local executives and Colombian traders.
But because security was around him, it made the hit difficult. The message was telegraphed loud and clear, with the decapitation of Dr. Edward Koury, the nephew of Rahael's wife.
This is the information gleaned by TnT Mirror from an undercover international intelligence source.
Koury was snatched last week Wednesday from his business place at ISKO Limited, Macoya Industrial Estate, Tunapuna.
His headless body was discovered two days later, dumped in an orange field in Caparo, near where Rahael's son-in-law has staked a claim to lease a piece of former Caroni 1975 Limited estate.
He was buried at Lapeyrouse Cemetery on Tuesday following a funeral service at St. Finbar's RC Church, Diego Martin.
At Press time, police was tipped off that the missing head was buried somewhere in Laventille Road, San Juan.
This follows futile searches at locations off Mosquito Creek, La Romaine.
Mirror was told that since the daring daylight attack on Dr. Koury, the wealthy Syrian community has been under a self-imposed lockdown with heavy security and bodyguard services employed.
It is understood that while family members are being shipped out to secure destinations abroad, "professionals" are being shipped into Trinidad to "take care of business" against the suspected perpetrators, who are reported to be high-ranking executives.
The Syrian mafia, Mirror was told, is bent on dealing with the big fishes in their own way, outside of the law.
With tension and emotions running high in what has been described as a major split in an elite local cartel, the deadly war for control of the multi-billion dollar drug-trade is expected to claim many more lives, a counter-drug agent told Mirror.
Agents are picking up intelligence on a possible connection between the recent $700 million Monos Island bust and multi-million dollar fire which destroyed the AS Bryden Warehouse in El Socorro.
Meanwhile, six persons appeared in the Tunapuna Magistrates' Court on Wednesday, charged in connection with Dr. Koury's murder.
Despite protestation by the lawyers, all were denied bail by Magistrate Indra Ramoo-Haynes.
Another person is believed to have agreed to turn State's witness.
Some sleuths are of the opinion that their investigations could easily be compromised with the lure of big money to lean the enquiries in a particular way and influence information flow to the media.
With an impending election breeze blowing towards a December poll date, feverish efforts are also being conjured in certain quarters to tag Dr. Koury's murder with a political label.
Family members have described Dr. Koury as a bright, successful businessman.
They are convinced that it was a robbery went awry and he was the wrong target.
Rahael, meanwhile, is reported to be considering his political future in the wake of the present situation, but Prime Minister Patrick Manning is alleged to have insisted that he should remain a Cabinet Minister, because it would send a wrong message to the jumpy population that the government was incapable of dealing with the runaway crime situation should he resign.
Reprinted for Fair Use Only from:
www.tntmirror.com/friday/2005/sept30/story01.htm
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Trying to connect a few dots here... I wasn't around when this happened, so, did they catch any big fish? Was there a war? Who did the house at Monos belong to, and were they prosecuted?
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When I was in QRC Chokolingo came to give us a lecture on newspaper business.
He lambasted the established media in those days which was TTT, about 3 radio stations and 3 other newspapers (really 2, evening news was guardian)
Anyhow when asked the question about the veracity of what the Mirror writes he replied that he provides information that sells.
When asked if his newspaper could be a comic strip he said that if that sells then call it a comic strip.
To quote "journalists" from the mirror is like going into an abbatoir and listening to butcher talk, I'm surprised Bakes !!!
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When I was in QRC Chokolingo came to give us a lecture on newspaper business.
He lambasted the established media in those days which was TTT, about 3 radio stations and 3 other newspapers (really 2, evening news was guardian)
Anyhow when asked the question about the veracity of what the Mirror writes he replied that he provides information that sells.
When asked if his newspaper could be a comic strip he said that if that sells then call it a comic strip.
To quote "journalists" from the mirror is like going into an abbatoir and listening to butcher talk, I'm surprised Bakes !!!
nothing is really off with that story. common knowledge actually. take things at face value at yuh own risk. like d container of children..that actually happened.
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wow,
first time i pass through evelyn trace in El socorro since SOE, and the place doh have no pusher, user, piper, gangsta and limer.
I never though that the big boss there would've ever been arrested, over the years police men have lived around there, ass COP of transport have lived around there, everybody in san juan know the man.
It looked so strange but i glad.
PS tv6 bussing all the files since the controversy with SIA.
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yes all that is true Bakes.. as I said earlier that bust and others round that time were cause of the Syrian vs Syrian/French creole rivalry
also i think John Rahael (PNM :D ) took Mirror to court for defamation etc and won
Khoury was his nephew
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did they catch any big fish?
To my knowledge NO.
Was there a war?
Nope...
Who did the house at Monos belong to, and were they prosecuted?
I cyar remember if the name of owner was ever made public but I know they were not prosecuted.....
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Good going officers :beermug:
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(http://guardian.co.tt/sites/default/files/event/09%20Sept%202011%20pg1.jpg)
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the owner of the house is Fitzwilliam.
Now i dunno how many pple know this about down de island houses. The houses are barely ever used during the week. And many had/have caretakers. These caretakers eh paid shit. That is why many houses are used down de islands by those shipping in the drugs to store during the week. It real easy to offer a caretaker a $5000 to store drugs there as it plenty more than they being paid anyway!
If you doh believe me, go down d islands during the week and stay up one night. U will see the transfers being done in darkness at night between pirogues, hearing spanish and english being spoken. The boats come in with no running lights and signal each other. Monos is the best island for seeing this as Gasparee yuh have to pass closer to the coast guard.
But i hadda say i honestly believe that the fitzwilliams had no clue. But i biased cuz daz my family!
When that bust went down we were on our way to go to the house to have a weekend lime. Only reason we delayed a day was because i got in an accident and we were sorting that out.
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the owner of the house is Fitzwilliam.
Now i dunno how many pple know this about down de island houses. The houses are barely ever used during the week. And many had/have caretakers. These caretakers eh paid shit. That is why many houses are used down de islands by those shipping in the drugs to store during the week. It real easy to offer a caretaker a $5000 to store drugs there as it plenty more than they being paid anyway!
If you doh believe me, go down d islands during the week and stay up one night. U will see the transfers being done in darkness at night between pirogues, hearing spanish and english being spoken. The boats come in with no running lights and signal each other. Monos is the best island for seeing this as Gasparee yuh have to pass closer to the coast guard.
But i hadda say i honestly believe that the fitzwilliams had no clue. But i biased cuz daz my family!
When that bust went down we were on our way to go to the house to have a weekend lime. Only reason we delayed a day was because i got in an accident and we were sorting that out.
ooooooooohhhhh.........Interesting......
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When I was in QRC Chokolingo came to give us a lecture on newspaper business.
He lambasted the established media in those days which was TTT, about 3 radio stations and 3 other newspapers (really 2, evening news was guardian)
Anyhow when asked the question about the veracity of what the Mirror writes he replied that he provides information that sells.
When asked if his newspaper could be a comic strip he said that if that sells then call it a comic strip.
To quote "journalists" from the mirror is like going into an abbatoir and listening to butcher talk, I'm surprised Bakes !!!
The Mirror also printed the most intelligent and insightful commentary on Anand Ramlogan's reaction to the Facebook video posted by that 14-year old girl (http://www.tntmirror.com/2011/09/02/new-media-and-old-laws/). I not endorsing them... doh read them enough to know what their standards are, but I have no issue with what I read so far.
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the owner of the house is Fitzwilliam.
Now i dunno how many pple know this about down de island houses. The houses are barely ever used during the week. And many had/have caretakers. These caretakers eh paid shit. That is why many houses are used down de islands by those shipping in the drugs to store during the week. It real easy to offer a caretaker a $5000 to store drugs there as it plenty more than they being paid anyway!
If you doh believe me, go down d islands during the week and stay up one night. U will see the transfers being done in darkness at night between pirogues, hearing spanish and english being spoken. The boats come in with no running lights and signal each other. Monos is the best island for seeing this as Gasparee yuh have to pass closer to the coast guard.
But i hadda say i honestly believe that the fitzwilliams had no clue. But i biased cuz daz my family!
When that bust went down we were on our way to go to the house to have a weekend lime. Only reason we delayed a day was because i got in an accident and we were sorting that out.
Boy, imagine that was now! if you had arrived at the house during the bust, they probably would have locked you all down for 4 months! Whats interesting is you describe the drugs situation like it was turtle watching lol
Like "you have to reach about 1 am. Stay real quiet in the shadows. You'll see them emerging onto the beach from the water"
But if this is common knowledge, why aren't the coastguard there?
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When I was in QRC Chokolingo came to give us a lecture on newspaper business.
He lambasted the established media in those days which was TTT, about 3 radio stations and 3 other newspapers (really 2, evening news was guardian)
Anyhow when asked the question about the veracity of what the Mirror writes he replied that he provides information that sells.
When asked if his newspaper could be a comic strip he said that if that sells then call it a comic strip.
To quote "journalists" from the mirror is like going into an abbatoir and listening to butcher talk, I'm surprised Bakes !!!
The Mirror also printed the most intelligent and insightful commentary on Anand Ramlogan's reaction to the Facebook video posted by that 14-year old girl (http://www.tntmirror.com/2011/09/02/new-media-and-old-laws/). I not endorsing them... doh read them enough to know what their standards are, but I have no issue with what I read so far.
As I said before, the owners have changed and the new editor announced that not only do they aim to challenge the big 3 in circulation, but they were non alligned politically and would embark on true investigative journalism.
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When I was in QRC Chokolingo came to give us a lecture on newspaper business.
He lambasted the established media in those days which was TTT, about 3 radio stations and 3 other newspapers (really 2, evening news was guardian)
Anyhow when asked the question about the veracity of what the Mirror writes he replied that he provides information that sells.
When asked if his newspaper could be a comic strip he said that if that sells then call it a comic strip.
To quote "journalists" from the mirror is like going into an abbatoir and listening to butcher talk, I'm surprised Bakes !!!
The Mirror also printed the most intelligent and insightful commentary on Anand Ramlogan's reaction to the Facebook video posted by that 14-year old girl (http://www.tntmirror.com/2011/09/02/new-media-and-old-laws/). I not endorsing them... doh read them enough to know what their standards are, but I have no issue with what I read so far.
In my opinion, this is a very good, well researched and balanced article!
The TnT Mirror is not that bad a newspaper after all if most of their articles are of this standard!!
http://www.tntmirror.com/2011/09/02/new-media-and-old-laws/
New media and old laws
By Maxie Cuffie - September 2nd 2011 11:59 PM
THE overblown rhetoric of Attorney General Anand Ramlogan over the YouTube video done by a 14-year-old girl demonstrates why it is important to ensure our rights are safely protected during this State of Emergency.
We have already stated that as concerned as we are about the crime affecting the society, the TnT Mirror does not intend to jump on the jingoistic bandwagon being propagated by the Government and intends to be extremely vigilant to ensure the rights of our citizens are not abused under the guise of fighting crime. If that causes us to run the risk of being seen as unpatriotic then so be it.
This brings us to the video posted by the 14-year-old girl. The AG, when he addressed the daily media briefing on the SoE, described it as a video which contained a threat to the Prime Minister’s life. In this he was aided by elements of the media who have continued to mischaracterise the nature of the video post and, in the case of the Express, also violated the rights of the child by posting her image on the front page of the newspaper.
Anyone who has seen the video, which is posted all over Facebook and YouTube, knows there is no such threat to the Prime Minister. The video is a crude dramatic performance by the bored teenager, who pretends to be a grandmother upset with the Prime Minister and the PP administration. It uses the old calypso trick of putting controversial views in the mouth of someone else.
What is disturbing about the video is not any presumed threat to the Prime Minister but the fact that it is laced with expletives and contains racial epithets that are generally considered abhorrent even by some of the people who use them. That they could be dispensed so liberally by an innocent-looking teen, even in a make-believe dramatic performance, must be of concern to first and foremost her parents. That she followed it up with a tearful apology is appropriate, but still deserving of whatever sanctions her parents would deem appropriate.
But how do we go from here to talk of Facebook police and laws dealing with incitement? There is no relationship between the local home-made video and those posted in the UK which attempted to incite riots and it is dangerous that under a state of emergency the Attorney General is attempting to use what is nothing more than a schoolgirl prank to introduce legislation to curtail freedom of expression and freedom of the press.
The new media tools available may expedite, amplify and democratise communications but this does not mean that they require special laws to constrain what is essentially freedom of expression. Free speech on the Internet should be as free as that in Woodford Square or in one’s bedroom depending on whether Facebook’s privacy settings are set to ‘public’ or ‘friends only’. And state of emergency or not, the AG has no right peering into anyone’s bedroom or chat-room.
It is also reprehensible that without any charges being laid against her and with the police commissioner struggling to say anything beyond the fact that the matter “is receiving the attention” of his officers, that the Attorney General should use a live television broadcast to tell the young girl to surrender herself to a police station. No warrant has been issued for her arrest and the AG was out of place to attempt to terrorise a child on national television. As despicable as her conduct was, it is important that we recognise that in a democracy, as the late Ronald Williams once said, we have several rights, foremost among them is the right to make an ass of oneself.
These rights are available to the AG as much as they are to misguided 14-year-olds.
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i eh no expert on guns, but some of them look rusty to the point of being ineffective. Look at the shotgun to the right of the picture on the Newsday cover, that is plenty rust. i will let the gun experts talk more about that, but sometimes ah can't help but wonder if these "big discoveries" of old guns is just the ruse to give the public ah bone and distract from the spanking brand new stuff that still on the streets.
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i eh no expert on guns, but some of them look rusty to the point of being ineffective. Look at the shotgun to the right of the picture on the Newsday cover, that is plenty rust. i will let the gun experts talk more about that, but sometimes ah can't help but wonder if these "big discoveries" of old guns is just the ruse to give the public ah bone and distract from the spanking brand new stuff that still on the streets.
Not only on the streets but probably still coming in at a higher rate than they are finding them old mostly useless guns!!
I hope the T&T public not taking this chain up so easy but at least they finding guns!!
Still waiting to see a few "BIG FISH" being taken in after their homes get raided or maybe most of them gone up the islands on holiday after being given enough notice that the SOE was coming and might affect their operations!!
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This has been my point. Most of the guns found are giveawys. Home made shotguns and rusty old handguns. Most probably belong to people already dead or locked up. This latest haul was a good one, but we need to see the new stuff wrapped in oiled paper, carefully maintained. I feel these are just crumbs being thrown to keep the police busy and away from the real deal.
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i eh no expert on guns, but some of them look rusty to the point of being ineffective. Look at the shotgun to the right of the picture on the Newsday cover, that is plenty rust. i will let the gun experts talk more about that, but sometimes ah can't help but wonder if these "big discoveries" of old guns is just the ruse to give the public ah bone and distract from the spanking brand new stuff that still on the streets.
This has been my point. Most of the guns found are giveawys. Home made shotguns and rusty old handguns. Most probably belong to people already dead or locked up. This latest haul was a good one, but we need to see the new stuff wrapped in oiled paper, carefully maintained. I feel these are just crumbs being thrown to keep the police busy and away from the real deal.
To be honest, I thought thought the same and even made the same argument about the five guns they find yesterday or day before. In all fairness though, in that guardian pic the policeman have ah Tec-9 in he left hand and ah Uzi in he right hand... dem eh no ole gun. Throw out dem ole bolt-action self-loading rifles (SLRs) from earlier... that Las Cuevas haul is legitimate big gun that the owner didn't know what he was doing when he bury dem.
I am no geologist, but I bet that soil either extra moist, extra salty (sea spray) or both. Daft is de big gun expert here apparently, I go let him talk... but to your point dem gun and dem wasn't killing nobody (de shooter maybe, lol) in dem condition. It have a reason why dem soldiers does spend so much time breaking down and cleaning dey gun... but thank God fuh dotish criminals, we need more ah dem gun jamming and blowing up in dey hand.
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This has been my point. Most of the guns found are giveawys. Home made shotguns and rusty old handguns. Most probably belong to people already dead or locked up. This latest haul was a good one, but we need to see the new stuff wrapped in oiled paper, carefully maintained. I feel these are just crumbs being thrown to keep the police busy and away from the real deal.
:beermug:
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i eh no expert on guns, but some of them look rusty to the point of being ineffective. Look at the shotgun to the right of the picture on the Newsday cover, that is plenty rust. i will let the gun experts talk more about that, but sometimes ah can't help but wonder if these "big discoveries" of old guns is just the ruse to give the public ah bone and distract from the spanking brand new stuff that still on the streets.
I now goto ask that...I thought is jus my computer screen but dem is some ole rusty rifle...even the high powered ting the officer holding is ah rust bucket
I glad they getting them out of circulation but dem ting eh no 'drug war' weapons
all of sudden I turnin into ah real pessimist oui
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i eh no expert on guns, but some of them look rusty to the point of being ineffective. Look at the shotgun to the right of the picture on the Newsday cover, that is plenty rust. i will let the gun experts talk more about that, but sometimes ah can't help but wonder if these "big discoveries" of old guns is just the ruse to give the public ah bone and distract from the spanking brand new stuff that still on the streets.
I now goto ask that...I thought is jus my computer screen but dem is some ole rusty rifle...even the high powered ting the officer holding is ah rust bucket
I glad they getting them out of circulation but dem ting eh no 'drug war' weapons
all of sudden I turnin into ah real pessimist oui
Them ammo eh even firing. Them thing lik ethey bury in the ground just so.
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the owner of the house is Fitzwilliam.
Now i dunno how many pple know this about down de island houses. The houses are barely ever used during the week. And many had/have caretakers. These caretakers eh paid shit. That is why many houses are used down de islands by those shipping in the drugs to store during the week. It real easy to offer a caretaker a $5000 to store drugs there as it plenty more than they being paid anyway!
If you doh believe me, go down d islands during the week and stay up one night. U will see the transfers being done in darkness at night between pirogues, hearing spanish and english being spoken. The boats come in with no running lights and signal each other. Monos is the best island for seeing this as Gasparee yuh have to pass closer to the coast guard.
But i hadda say i honestly believe that the fitzwilliams had no clue. But i biased cuz daz my family!
When that bust went down we were on our way to go to the house to have a weekend lime. Only reason we delayed a day was because i got in an accident and we were sorting that out.
I remember when I was in High school (stay with me here), meh pardna cousin ;D come with she man. Nobody eh know way she pick up this man. The man really trained, talking about in fighting, guns, driving etc. Now after a couple days, jus so he start asking we ( yutemen) who have dey passport. Well country people so de only passport I have is to go in town. But, meh pardna have he passport. The cousin boyfriend buy him ah ticket and take him with him to Antigua. Meh pardna say they sit in ah house on de beach with no lights and no furniture and ever so often flash ah light. They leave him in the house for ah while and then come back.
He return a few days later. Then a couple days later the cousin boyfriend come and pick him up and carry him in town - guess where - on de port. He say the fella have ah gun in he waist and liming with police officers (couple high ranking police) on de port and some customs officer. As youth men we really eh think about it, but as I got older I start putting it together and realizing what went down. I thank my stars I did not have a passport cause I would have gone too.
Couple months later, I think the cousin boyfriend and a couple of his people get lock up. Not sure what happen after that.
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elan i remember a fella i knew who at 16 had a decent boat (well had use of his parents decent boat) and was approached by some people at scotland bay to make a run to chac with them. He did it cuz they said they wud pay him. He ended up gettin a $2000. Next thing yuh knew he was making runs to venezuela for them, got caught up in the stupidness. Go believe the same fella got held up here in de UK with cocaine in his suitcase? In fact someone mentioned the case just the other day here on the forum.
Now my same cousin who i go down the islands with also had been approached when he was younger, yet he said no at the time cuz he was too nervous to take to random people to chac jusso.
Sometimes when yuh young yuh don't think about these things. It so easy to get chain up with the money at that age.
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no one remember about 16 years ago a container was found in carib brewery grounds with cocaine weed and some US$.Sabga rush to the area,u neva hear bout it in the news or paper.
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no one remember about 16 years ago a container was found in carib brewery grounds with cocaine weed and some US$.Sabga rush to the area,u neva hear bout it in the news or paper.
A WPC tell me once her bff son was wukin deliverin Pizza a holidays 1 fall and it was d white stuff. They get so scared that dey post he up by Dutty and them.
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Claxton Bay man murdered
Police have held a man in connection with a murder which took place around 7pm on Thursday.
Investigators say Mr Nirmal Basdeo was found with his throat slit at a track at 7th Street, Dow Village, California.
Eyewitnesses told police they noticed a strange white Nissan Ad Wagon in the area. The driver, later identified as Mr Basdeo, got out of the car with the engine running and entered a nearby track.
After a while, they notified police who later found Mr Basdeo's body at the back of the car with his throat slit.
Mr Basdeo lived at Macaulay Village, Claxton Bay.
The Ad Wagon is said to have been registered to PCS Nitrogen.
Police later held a suspect who is now assisting with the investigation.
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15 guns link to 1990 insurrection
By Nalinee Seelal and Anna-Lisa Paul Saturday, September 10 2011
The 15 guns found wrapped in plastic bags and concealed two feet in the forest floor at Rincon Road, Las Cuevas on Thursday is believed to have been buried there by persons involved in the 1990 attempted coup.
Police officers of the Crime Scene Investigations (CSI) unit spent all of yesterday examining the guns and recorded the identification numbers on the weapons which were then packaged and placed in boxes to be taken to the Forensic Science Centre, St James where ballistics experts will on Monday carry out tests to ascertain how old the guns are and other pertinent information which will assist investigators.
A CSI source said yesterday the guns found may be as old as 20 years, due to the rusting and the condition.
They do not believe that the guns were in use for quite a while.
Yesterday, the guns remained lodged at the Barataria Police Station and no one has been detained in connection with the find.
However, police and soldiers are expected to carry out more searches in Las Cuevas for guns and ammunition believed to be buried there.
On Thursday, at around 5 am, officers of the North Eastern Division led by Sgt Stephen Dowrich trekked two miles into the forested area at Rincon Road in search of marijuana fields.
Officers crossed two rivers, and came upon an area where they saw a canopy of trees and later used metal detectors in that area where they found the guns buried.
Following the searches, the items discovered buried included:
• two SLR (self-loading rifles — of the type
used by both the TT Police and TT
Regiment);
• four pump-action shotguns;
• one 0.25 rifle;
• three 303 sniper rifles:
• one mini uzi machine gun
• one uzi machine gun;
• one Intra Tec Nine machine-pistol;
• one nine-millimetre sub-machine gun;
and
• one flare gun.
The weapons were wrapped in plastic and the ammunition was in bags. More than 10,000 rounds of ammunition of various calibers including 9 mm, 5.56, 12- gauge (for shotguns), .22 and .45 were seized.
Officers also found two bulletproof vests, several ski masks and a kilo of compressed marijuana.
The gun find brings to 78 the number of illegal weapons found by police and soldiers during the state of emergency.
Yesterday, ASP Joanne Archie, the new spokesperson for the Police Service, revealed in her first press briefing at the Police Administration Building, Port-of-Spain that an investigation had immediately been launched into the discovery of the bullet-proof vests which contained two police regimental numbers.
Additionally, Archie said investigations are continuing to determine the owner of the land where the guns and other illegal items were found.
She noted further to tracing the owners of the bullet-proof vests, the police service will be trying to determine if any police officers had previously reported their vests being stolen.
However, she pointed out that if the vests are in fact found to belong to any police officer who did not report the them being stolen or missing, then prompt disciplinary action will be taken.
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Residents beg for curfew
By —Susan Mohammed
Story Created: Sep 9, 2011 at 11:53 PM ECT
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Story Updated: Sep 9, 2011 at 11:53 PM ECT )
EVEN THOUGH Dow Village, California, has not been declared a criminal "hot spot" by the Government, law-abiding citizens have enforced a self-imposed curfew to protect themselves against the violence linked to drugs and guns.
Residents—some who have lived in the area all their lives, and others who migrated to the area—said that over the last decade, they have seen a deterioration in the quality of life.
As word spread that another person—Nirmal Baldeo—was murdered overnight in the village, and two others were dead in a murder-suicide yesterday, angry residents said they wanted the same level of security being provided in the curfew-enforced areas of San Fernando, Central Trinidad and Arima and Northwest Trinidad.
The Express was told some of the "big fish" being sought by police were likely hiding out in area, which Couva police say has long been a problem to secure.
The residents, who spoke to the Express, shared their views on condition of anonymity. Others, especially elderly residents, said they were too afraid to speak.
"It is not safe here," one man said. "I've lived here for ten years and I have seen plenty crime in the area. It have guns, drugs, killings, you just name it and it is here. It is unsafe for children to grow up here. Since the State of Emergency, even though not declared a 'hot spot', most residents are inside their homes by 9 p.m."
Another man, a resident of 40 years, said most of the illegal activities are linked to a squatting area located behind a community centre at Dow Village. He said police had that information, but raids to seize the illegal guns and drugs were almost pointless.
"Every time the police going to raid, apparently the squatters get tipped off and they could never find anything. A lot of outsiders have come in and settled in the squatting area and spoiled the community. So the original residents are getting out because the outsiders who are up to no good are coming in everyday."
A mother of three infant children said she and her husband were working hard to leave the area and live elsewhere as soon as financially possible.
"We are not safe anymore. I am fed up of the drugs, guns, murders and all these characters that come out on the streets where my children have to walk. I think police need to do more patrolling because we hardly see police, especially during the night, around here. I hope to move out soon," she said.
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LOUDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD STEUPSSSSSSSSSSSS
Dow Village residents all yuh only know now all yuh is a hot spot when we know all yuh full ah drugs longgggggggggg time.
LOUDDDDDDDDDDDDD STEUPSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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LOUDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD STEUPSSSSSSSSSSSS
Dow Village residents all yuh only know now all yuh is a hot spot when we know all yuh full ah drugs longgggggggggg time.
LOUDDDDDDDDDDDDD STEUPSSSSSSSSSSSSS
noooooooo yuh lie!!.... :o :o
Next thing yuh goh tell mih all dem beaches dat not under curfew involved in bringing guns and drugs and ting.....but yuh goh be lying....
Is only in Sea Lots, Beetham, Laventille, the Hyatt, One Woodbrook place....etc. The usual suspects nah..... ::) ::)
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Brown I 4give u yuh from Tbgo so yuh only know bout d usual suspects.
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ah pushin to get a curfew in toronto. nobody eh takin me on. steups.
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Guns and drugs found in Saturday night raids
Sniffer dogs were the stars of Saturday night raids, which led to the discovery of a number of weapons and narcotics in central Trinidad.
High-powered weapons and drugs were also seized in the north and west.
On Lamont Street, Longdenville, the sharp nose of a K-9 police hound led officers to a loaded Smith and Wesson pistol that has been wrapped in a black plastic bag and buried under a pile of grass.
a short while later, on Lamont Street Extension, the sniffer dogs found a quantity of hand-rolled marijuana cigarettes and marijuana, hidden in a pile of disused tyres at a warehouse.
Police also dug up what appeared to be freshly disturbed soil around the area but found nothing, even with the dogs' help.
The central Trinidad exercise also included inspecting homes in Enterprise, Ragoonanan Road, Orange Field Road and Carlsen Field.
While nothing was discovered in the early morning, extensive raids, five people were arrested for breaching the 11pm to 4am curfew and one man, a suspected drug lord, was taken into custody.
In the north, police, acting on information, went to Hirundel Street where they found a lorcin pistol and a homemade shotgun, together with 20 bullets and a magazine for the handgun, hidden under a culvert.
Over at Saddle Road, San Juan, officers on patrol spotted a grey Tuscon parked off the road.
When they ran a check on the chassis number, the officers discovered the vehicle, which also bore false number plates, had been stolen from a police officer at Munroe Rroad, Cunupia, back in March.
MEANWHILE in the Western Division, police officers and members of the Criminal Intelligence Unit, acting on intelligence gathered over a two-day period, went to Cameron Road, Petit Valley.
There they found a black plastic bag at the side of the road containing an AK47 machine gun, 22 rounds of 5.6 mm ammunition, two 12 gauge catridges and 43 9mm bullets.
A Beretta pistol with two magazines and a gas cannister were also found in the area.
In total, 4 guns, 100 bullets, and half a kilogramme of marijuana were seized from raids in the Central, Northern and Western Divisions on Saturday night.
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Like the PP fishing with small hook and worm as bait or what, what happened to the big fish and them?
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Like the PP fishing with small hook and worm as bait or what, what happened to the big fish and them?
Line buss
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Well....no imps means no principalities. Keep cleaning them streets for law abiding citizens.
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Like the PP fishing with small hook and worm as bait or what, what happened to the big fish and them?
Can anyone clarify whether a drug lord is higher up than a drug baron? Just trying to get my terminology straight here. If so, then the drug lord would be the big fish, like a Marlin and the baron would be more like a good size Tuna, while the gang members would be like a schoal of barracuda????
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errbody know d big fishes is g 'great whites'..daz who we shud b lookin for
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'Rise in domestic violence during SoE was predictable'
By Kim Boodram
Women and children's affairs activist, Hazel Brown, said she was shocked that local authorities on domestic violence did not forsee a rise in this activity when a State of Emergency was declared by Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar on August 20.
Brown said in an interview Saturday there were people in authority who should have known that the home is one of the least safe places for women and children in Trinidad and Tobago society.
Since the start of the SoE, three women and one man have been killed in domestic disputes.
On August 25, Kareem Alexander, 28, of Connector Road, Felicity, Chaguanas, was stabbed in the back by a female relative during an argument at his home. He died at the Chaguanas Health Facility.
On August 31, Carol Walcott was found dead at her home at Demerara Heights, Arima. She was lying face down on her bed, blood oozing from her mouth. An autopsy revealed that she died from blunt force trauma to the head but her death remains inconclusive.
On September 3, Karensa Diamond was bludgeoned to death with a hammer by her boyfriend, Nigel Castillo, who later committed suicide.
On September 6, Felicia Samsundar, 22, of Hermitage Village, Macaulay, was beaten and strangled to death with a telephone charger during a domestic dispute at a guest house in Tobago.
On September 9, Sohanie Ramsundar, 37, a mother of four was found with her throat slit. Her death is also being treated as a domestic matter.
The SOE came with a 9 p.m. to 5 a.m. curfew until last Monday, when it was changed to 11 p.m. to 5 a.m., with an SoE extension of three months.
"One of the justification for the State of Emergency, given by people who should know better, is that it would improve family life by having men stay at home," said Brown, Co-ordinator of the Network of Non-governmental Organisations.
"There is a total lack of thinking when they make these statements.
"I wonder if they haven't been told that the most unsafe place for women and children is the home. But we don't, as a society, place importance on women and children and we do not treat domestic violence as a crime. If it does not involve robbery and so on, we do not see it as a crime." Brown said it was another unfortunate fact that "nothing will be learned" from the incidents during this period.
"Anything that requires the perpetrators of crimes to spend more time at home is a recipe for what we are seeing," she added.
"And not all are reported, not when there are more important things like guns to put in the papers."
Brown said there continues to be nothing but "pronouncements" on the issue of domestic violence, without any real action to mitigate existing situations and prevent further abuse from developing. Families are not being offered the opportunities to learn the art of negotiation and mediation, she said, so that they can diffuse tension in the home and hopefully prevent violence.
"If you can't walk away, what do you do? Most of the time, it is 'I want something and you want something else', so how do you find the middle ground? Some people have to be taught how to do that," Brown said.
"When you talk about domestic violence, it should also be about helping people to develop those skills of negotiation."
There is also a lack of intervention by other individuals because communities are no longer empowered like they used to be.
There are still some pockets around the country where small communities are empowered in that way and still consult one another on domestic and community issues but this is mostly a lost tradition," Brown said.
"In order for someone to intervene, you have to know what you are doing," she said.
Brown added:
"The people who shocked me the most were the so-called psychiatrists who made statements about the curfew improving family life. Unless they have done something about remedying the domestic violence situation that we don't know about."
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As much as I appreciate the concern of Hazel Brown, its kind of silly to say that the govt are making the issue worse by forcing men to be home with their families. The problem is not making men stay at home, the problem is that there are very few support services for victims and no interest from the police in dealing with domestic violence. Much more needs to be done to change attitudes of men towards women by a sustained campaign by the govt. If a woman wants to break up with a violent partner, court orders should be issued preventing the man approaching within 1000 yards of the woman. But, of course, that would never be properly supported by the police.
Unfortunately, it should be the case where relationships improve if more families spend time together, but the reality is that many relationships are dysfunctional and can only be tolerated if more time is spent apart.
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As much as I appreciate the concern of Hazel Brown, its kind of silly to say that the govt are making the issue worse by forcing men to be home with their families. The problem is not making men stay at home, the problem is that there are very few support services for victims and no interest from the police in dealing with domestic violence. Much more needs to be done to change attitudes of men towards women by a sustained campaign by the govt. If a woman wants to break up with a violent partner, court orders should be issued preventing the man approaching within 1000 yards of the woman. But, of course, that would never be properly supported by the police.
Unfortunately, it should be the case where relationships improve if more families spend time together, but the reality is that many relationships are dysfunctional and can only be tolerated if more time is spent apart.
She highlighting how foolish d statement was by d AG when he said that families are getting closer because of the SOE.
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As much as I appreciate the concern of Hazel Brown, its kind of silly to say that the govt are making the issue worse by forcing men to be home with their families. The problem is not making men stay at home, the problem is that there are very few support services for victims and no interest from the police in dealing with domestic violence. Much more needs to be done to change attitudes of men towards women by a sustained campaign by the govt. If a woman wants to break up with a violent partner, court orders should be issued preventing the man approaching within 1000 yards of the woman. But, of course, that would never be properly supported by the police.
Unfortunately, it should be the case where relationships improve if more families spend time together, but the reality is that many relationships are dysfunctional and can only be tolerated if more time is spent apart.
She highlighting how foolish d statement was by d AG when he said that families are getting closer because of the SOE.
But, in essence, that should be the case. Since the SOE came in, I've been watching more tv, cooking more often, watching movies etc Those people with families are forced to change their lifestyles and this should lead to closer bonds with each other. The reality is, if a man is a limer and a horner, he won't take well to spending time with his wife and kids. But this is a society problem and the govt cannot be made to take all the blame.
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The reality is, if a man is a limer and a horner, he won't take well to spending time with his wife and kids. But this is a society problem and the govt cannot be made to take all the blame.
This ^^
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The reality is, if a man is a limer and a horner, he won't take well to spending time with his wife and kids. But this is a society problem and the govt cannot be made to take all the blame.
This ^^
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As much as I appreciate the concern of Hazel Brown, its kind of silly to say that the govt are making the issue worse by forcing men to be home with their families. The problem is not making men stay at home, the problem is that there are very few support services for victims and no interest from the police in dealing with domestic violence. Much more needs to be done to change attitudes of men towards women by a sustained campaign by the govt. If a woman wants to break up with a violent partner, court orders should be issued preventing the man approaching within 1000 yards of the woman. But, of course, that would never be properly supported by the police.
Unfortunately, it should be the case where relationships improve if more families spend time together, but the reality is that many relationships are dysfunctional and can only be tolerated if more time is spent apart.
She highlighting how foolish d statement was by d AG when he said that families are getting closer because of the SOE.
But, in essence, that should be the case. Since the SOE came in, I've been watching more tv, cooking more often, watching movies etc Those people with families are forced to change their lifestyles and this should lead to closer bonds with each other. The reality is, if a man is a limer and a horner, he won't take well to spending time with his wife and kids. But this is a society problem and the govt cannot be made to take all the blame.
Agreed but yuh cyah say that family life improve it have nuff dysfunctional family and evry social worker expected an increase in DV cases.
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Maybe Hazel needs to open a credible hotline and have the AG endorse it. That might be more constructive.
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Hear ye, hear ye.....all de big fish dey hold on Nelson Street about 2 - 3 weeks ago.......de Chief Magistrate let dem go today. Why?? Wait for it......wait for it......hold on.....it coming.....
DEY HAVE NO EVIDENCE TO HOLD DEM!!!!.....
WWWWWWHHHHHHAAATTTT?? ??!!!
Nah!!! Nah!!! Nah!!!....eh, eh, de judge eh know what he/she doing.....he/she better check de AG and/or de PM and/or de Pres......dem have de evidence....
Not one word....not one word..... :-X
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Hear ye, hear ye.....all de big fish dey hold on Nelson Street about 2 - 3 weeks ago.......de Chief Magistrate let dem go today. Why?? Wait for it......wait for it......hold on.....it coming.....
DEY HAVE NO EVIDENCE TO HOLD DEM!!!!.....
WWWWWWHHHHHHAAATTTT?? ??!!!
Nah!!! Nah!!! Nah!!!....eh, eh, de judge eh know what he/she doing.....he/she better check de AG and/or de PM and/or de Pres......dem have de evidence....
Not one word....not one word..... :-X
WE TAXPAYERS MONEY GO JUMP PAYING FOR ALL DEM CIVIL LAWSUIT. NOBODY EH GET CHARGE UNDER D SOE SO U DETAIL MEN 4 20 DAYS THEN D DPP SAY HE EH HAVE NO EVIDENCE.
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Now hearing Police find 10,000 rounds of ammo this morning , 13 firearms (Uzi, shotgun, etc) and a kilo of Cocaine in Las Cuevas (edit: Correction 1 kilo Marijuana)
Heard 1 of d guns had Sir Walter Raleigh name written on it.
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Now hearing Police find 10,000 rounds of ammo this morning , 13 firearms (Uzi, shotgun, etc) and a kilo of Cocaine in Las Cuevas (edit: Correction 1 kilo Marijuana)
Heard 1 of d guns had Sir Walter Raleigh name written on it.
Sir Walter is a well-known gang leader. If they ketch he and Cortez, then we know the SoE wukkin good.
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Now hearing Police find 10,000 rounds of ammo this morning , 13 firearms (Uzi, shotgun, etc) and a kilo of Cocaine in Las Cuevas (edit: Correction 1 kilo Marijuana)
Heard 1 of d guns had Sir Walter Raleigh name written on it.
Sir Walter is a well-known gang leader. If they ketch he and Cortez, then we know the SoE wukkin good.
REAL GOOD
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Now hearing Police find 10,000 rounds of ammo this morning , 13 firearms (Uzi, shotgun, etc) and a kilo of Cocaine in Las Cuevas (edit: Correction 1 kilo Marijuana)
Heard 1 of d guns had Sir Walter Raleigh name written on it.
Was that the stuff buried after the 1990 Attempted Coup?! :-\
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But, in essence, that should be the case. Since the SOE came in, I've been watching more tv, cooking more often, watching movies etc Those people with families are forced to change their lifestyles and this should lead to closer bonds with each other. The reality is, if a man is a limer and a horner, he won't take well to spending time with his wife and kids. But this is a society problem and the govt cannot be made to take all the blame.
Come on man, that is just foolishness. Not because you confine people in the same space does that mean they'll get along any better. Even among families, people need their space, they need stimulation outside the family... some would say that 'stimulation' might even be therapeutic. The statement about bringing families closer together is foolishness... doh even try and justify that.
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Hear ye, hear ye.....all de big fish dey hold on Nelson Street about 2 - 3 weeks ago.......de Chief Magistrate let dem go today. Why?? Wait for it......wait for it......hold on.....it coming.....
DEY HAVE NO EVIDENCE TO HOLD DEM!!!!.....
WWWWWWHHHHHHAAATTTT?? ??!!!
Nah!!! Nah!!! Nah!!!....eh, eh, de judge eh know what he/she doing.....he/she better check de AG and/or de PM and/or de Pres......dem have de evidence....
Not one word....not one word..... :-X
Will they revise they SoE arrest numbers now... or we eh care about that? If most/all of the people they arrest get released would that make the SoE a failure (since the numbers of arrest being used to tout 'success')?
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Now hearing Police find 10,000 rounds of ammo this morning , 13 firearms (Uzi, shotgun, etc) and a kilo of Cocaine in Las Cuevas (edit: Correction 1 kilo Marijuana)
Heard 1 of d guns had Sir Walter Raleigh name written on it.
LOL Good one :rotfl:
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Hear ye, hear ye.....all de big fish dey hold on Nelson Street about 2 - 3 weeks ago.......de Chief Magistrate let dem go today. Why?? Wait for it......wait for it......hold on.....it coming.....
DEY HAVE NO EVIDENCE TO HOLD DEM!!!!.....
WWWWWWHHHHHHAAATTTT?? ??!!!
Nah!!! Nah!!! Nah!!!....eh, eh, de judge eh know what he/she doing.....he/she better check de AG and/or de PM and/or de Pres......dem have de evidence....
Not one word....not one word..... :-X
Will they revise they SoE arrest numbers now... or we eh care about that? If most/all of the people they arrest get released would that make the SoE a failure (since the numbers of arrest being used to tout 'success')?
Dey goh find a next reason for calling the SOE a success. They have shifted the goal post so many times since this farce of an SOE started doh be surprised if dais de next move.....
BTW, the cowboy X AG does still make lunch time appearances to spread propaganda about this SOE or he hushing he arse......for now??? That jackass!!!
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Caribbean leaders support SoE
Monday 12th September, 2011
The Prime Ministers of Grenada and Antigua and Barbuda have thrown their support behind the ongoing State of Emergency in Trinidad and Tobago.
Both gave their support in an interview with C News after the opening ceremony of the 3rd China-Caribbean Economic and Trade Cooperation Forum on Monday.
The Prime Minister of Antigua and Barbuda, Mr Baldwin Spencer, said from what he understands of the crime situation in Trinidad and Tobago, the State of Emergency is working.
The capital city is one of several areas under an imposed 11pm to 4am curfew and Prime Minister Spencer said, "It clearly shows signs of being tough on crime and that is what you need. To that extent, the Government ought to be commended for taking that bold steps. Of course with these things, you're not going to satisfy everybody...I think things are going along quite well. I am quite sure it would appear as though that the State of Emergency has in fact assisted in addressing some of the chronic problems that you have been having with criminality."
Grenada's Prime Minister, Mr Tillman Thomas, said Government leaders have a responsibility to provide a safe and secure environment for their populations.
When asked about the signal the State of Emergency sends to the rest of Caricom, since this country has the lead responsibility for crime and security in the 15-Member trading block, the Grenadian PM said it all depends on the specifics involved: "It varies from country to country. Trinidad may have to resort to this measure, other territories may not have to. So it depends on the situation the country faces."
The illegal drug trade and the accompanying gun violence is a challenge which is being faced by all Caricom countries.
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Mervyn Richardson (ACP) claims all persons arrested are Big Fish.
WHILE AT THE SAME TIME
Twenty-one detainees from Nelson St have been released as a result of no evidence with which to charge said detainees.
and then there is this little nugget of wisdom and advice:
If you're a victim of POLICE BRUTILITY go and make a report to your nearest Police Station. This country sweet too bad oui.
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The Prime Ministers of Grenada and Antigua and Barbuda have thrown their support behind the ongoing State of Emergency in Trinidad and Tobago.
And they can both go eff themselves!!! Any one ah dem agree with using an SOE for picking up people with parking tickets and maintenance??!! Eh?? Eh?? Dem agree with picking up people willy nilly off de street and releasing them weeks later cuz it eh have no evidence to hold them??!!
Again....dey can go eff themselves!!!
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But, in essence, that should be the case. Since the SOE came in, I've been watching more tv, cooking more often, watching movies etc Those people with families are forced to change their lifestyles and this should lead to closer bonds with each other. The reality is, if a man is a limer and a horner, he won't take well to spending time with his wife and kids. But this is a society problem and the govt cannot be made to take all the blame.
Come on man, that is just foolishness. Not because you confine people in the same space does that mean they'll get along any better. Even among families, people need their space, they need stimulation outside the family... some would say that 'stimulation' might even be therapeutic. The statement about bringing families closer together is foolishness... doh even try and justify that.
I wonder if the birth rate go spike 9 months from now?
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Mervyn Richardson (ACP) claims all persons arrested are Big Fish.
WHILE AT THE SAME TIME
Twenty-one detainees from Nelson St have been released as a result of no evidence with which to charge said detainees.
and then there is this little nugget of wisdom and advice:
If you're a victim of POLICE BRUTILITY go and make a report to your nearest Police Station. This country sweet too bad oui.
I guess they feel some folks may not be happy with just one beating so they offered that great advice!! ::)
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Debate happening now on the S.O.E. on C-TV!
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Second arrested in connection with Jonestown murders
Monday 12th September, 2011
A second suspect in the Jonestown, Arima shootings last month has been nabbed.
Police have confirmed that the second suspect in the August 18th incident, which left four persons dead and 3 nursing injuries, was picked up in the Central Division on Monday morning.
The first suspect was caught in his Balisier Road, Smith's Field house on Saturday when heavily-armed officers swooped down on the house constructed in a somewhat remote area between the Heights of Aripo and Valencia.
A search of the area uncovered a firearm, more than 100 rounds of assorted ammunition, a bullet proof vest and an army issue camouflage uniform. He and his wife were arrested. They have a two-year-old child.
Meanwhile, the Public Information Officer of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service, ASP Joanne Archie, reiterated the call made by Deputy Commissioner of Police Jack Ewatsi for persons with outstanding warrants to take care of outstanding matters.
"The DCP urged all persons who know that there are outstanding warrants for their arrests for such issues as unpaid fines or traffic offences to own up and surrender to the Police."
ASP Archie also urged persons who are of the opinion that officers are using excessive force in the execution of their duties to make officials aware of such incidents.
"Officers are continuously being trained in the excessive use of force. The public is advised that if they feel they have been a victim of excessive use of force by the TTPS, to lodge their reports with the nearest police station or with the Police Complaints Authority."
ASP Archie said officers are guided by a Use of Force Policy and the Service adopts a zero tolerance approach to officers who operate outside the law. She assured that all complaints will be treated seriously.
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But, in essence, that should be the case. Since the SOE came in, I've been watching more tv, cooking more often, watching movies etc Those people with families are forced to change their lifestyles and this should lead to closer bonds with each other. The reality is, if a man is a limer and a horner, he won't take well to spending time with his wife and kids. But this is a society problem and the govt cannot be made to take all the blame.
Come on man, that is just foolishness. Not because you confine people in the same space does that mean they'll get along any better. Even among families, people need their space, they need stimulation outside the family... some would say that 'stimulation' might even be therapeutic. The statement about bringing families closer together is foolishness... doh even try and justify that.
Not to mention those children who maybe molested by their fathers or some other incestuous/abusive relationship in the household. they are now forced to be around these people every night. not a good situation to be in
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Man missing after taken by police. (https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=234914283226592)
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Now hearing Police find 10,000 rounds of ammo this morning , 13 firearms (Uzi, shotgun, etc) and a kilo of Cocaine in Las Cuevas (edit: Correction 1 kilo Marijuana)
Heard 1 of d guns had Sir Walter Raleigh name written on it.
Sir Walter is a well-known gang leader. If they ketch he and Cortez, then we know the SoE wukkin good.
ay allyuh supposed to be livin in fear, wha is dis setta comedy allyuh orn?. Save dat for dimache gras nex year
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Now hearing Police find 10,000 rounds of ammo this morning , 13 firearms (Uzi, shotgun, etc) and a kilo of Cocaine in Las Cuevas (edit: Correction 1 kilo Marijuana)
Heard 1 of d guns had Sir Walter Raleigh name written on it.
Sir Walter is a well-known gang leader. If they ketch he and Cortez, then we know the SoE wukkin good.
ay allyuh supposed to be livin in fear, wha is dis setta comedy allyuh orn?. Save dat for dimache gras nex year
Yuh eh hear Anyting Goes say dat we livin in a self impose curfew long time so we accustom so we can be :rotfl:
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C News Live
Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar has announced new areas under the 11pm-4am curfew which come into effect from tomorrow, Wednesday 14th September.
Speaking at the National Security Briefing on Monday, she said the new areas were decided after a meeting with the National Security Council.
They are Carli Bay, Moruga, Cedros, Claxton Bay, Maloney, Dow Village-California, Windy Hill-Arouca, Toco, Macbean-Couva, Chase Village-Carapichaima, Red Hill-D'abadie, and La Horquetta.
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now dey put cedros and moruga fuuckin Now :cursing: :cursing: when dey people done move what dey have to move jokers.................and What about Lisas.how nobody reach dey yet
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LOL on Ctv they showing the nelson street fellas robbing people on the street , Via the CCTV cameras if you see how clean that footage is, Zoom and thing. The fat man who say he innocent , i see half he body inside somebody car robbing them, bunch ah slackers
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LOL on Ctv they showing the nelson street fellas robbing people on the street , Via the CCTV cameras if you see how clean that footage is, Zoom and thing. The fat man who say he innocent , i see half he body inside somebody car robbing them, bunch ah slackers
serious??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. so is now dey pull out this evidence? why didnt they bring this forward before. STEUPSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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LOL on Ctv they showing the nelson street fellas robbing people on the street , Via the CCTV cameras if you see how clean that footage is, Zoom and thing. The fat man who say he innocent , i see half he body inside somebody car robbing them, bunch ah slackers
serious??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. so is now dey pull out this evidence? why didnt they bring this forward before. STEUPSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
dpp say how the footage was from before SOE and anti gang legislation so it cyah work.
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LOL on Ctv they showing the nelson street fellas robbing people on the street , Via the CCTV cameras if you see how clean that footage is, Zoom and thing. The fat man who say he innocent , i see half he body inside somebody car robbing them, bunch ah slackers
serious??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. so is now dey pull out this evidence? why didnt they bring this forward before. STEUPSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
dpp say how the footage was from before SOE and anti gang legislation so it cyah work.
oh ok
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now dey put cedros and moruga fuuckin Now :cursing: :cursing: when dey people done move what dey have to move jokers.................and What about Lisas.how nobody reach dey yet
Hey leave Lisas all around me hot but I cold
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LOL on Ctv they showing the nelson street fellas robbing people on the street , Via the CCTV cameras if you see how clean that footage is, Zoom and thing. The fat man who say he innocent , i see half he body inside somebody car robbing them, bunch ah slackers
serious??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. so is now dey pull out this evidence? why didnt they bring this forward before. STEUPSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
dpp say how the footage was from before SOE and anti gang legislation so it cyah work.
So b4 d antigang act it eh have NO LAW TO CHARGE DEM. Give I EH BREAK PLSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS. So d footage was b4 d law pass but yuh still pick dem up.
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My father is going on a short a business trip. We have to get a pass go and pick him up as the return flight is in curfew hours. The government has failed to convince me that I really need to go through this.
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LOL on Ctv they showing the nelson street fellas robbing people on the street , Via the CCTV cameras if you see how clean that footage is, Zoom and thing. The fat man who say he innocent , i see half he body inside somebody car robbing them, bunch ah slackers
serious??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. so is now dey pull out this evidence? why didnt they bring this forward before. STEUPSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Look at minute 5:48 . They had a cleaner vid full screen when i saw it tonight after news, but you get to see them in action clear enough
http://video.ctntworld.com/view/862/c-news-7pm-online-130911/
The fat man in the white jersey on the driver side half way inside the people car. The so called "innocent one"
EDIT: There is a longer version they showed , where it had shoot out and thing on the street.
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Wheys so in traffic they would just jump in your car and rob you? Is that would I'm seeing or do they know the driver?
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LOL on Ctv they showing the nelson street fellas robbing people on the street , Via the CCTV cameras if you see how clean that footage is, Zoom and thing. The fat man who say he innocent , i see half he body inside somebody car robbing them, bunch ah slackers
serious??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. so is now dey pull out this evidence? why didnt they bring this forward before. STEUPSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Look at minute 5:48 . They had a cleaner vid full screen when i saw it tonight after news, but you get to see them in action clear enough
http://video.ctntworld.com/view/862/c-news-7pm-online-130911/
The fat man in the white jersey on the driver side half way inside the people car. The so called "innocent one"
EDIT: There is a longer version they showed , where it had shoot out and thing on the street.
If he was charged with the right offence he might have been convicted
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LOL on Ctv they showing the nelson street fellas robbing people on the street , Via the CCTV cameras if you see how clean that footage is, Zoom and thing. The fat man who say he innocent , i see half he body inside somebody car robbing them, bunch ah slackers
serious??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. so is now dey pull out this evidence? why didnt they bring this forward before. STEUPSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
dpp say how the footage was from before SOE and anti gang legislation so it cyah work.
So b4 d antigang act it eh have NO LAW TO CHARGE DEM. Give I EH BREAK PLSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS. So d footage was b4 d law pass but yuh still pick dem up.
I now seeing your post. That video hurts the police more than helps them. If they charge the man for the right thing he woulda make a jail. It just goes to show you again how much we really don't need a state of emergency and what we need is good police work.
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LOL on Ctv they showing the nelson street fellas robbing people on the street , Via the CCTV cameras if you see how clean that footage is, Zoom and thing. The fat man who say he innocent , i see half he body inside somebody car robbing them, bunch ah slackers
serious??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. so is now dey pull out this evidence? why didnt they bring this forward before. STEUPSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
dpp say how the footage was from before SOE and anti gang legislation so it cyah work.
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Earlier this year the Evidence Act was amended to have video evidence admissible in court. So they could have been charged for a variety of crimes under other acts.....robbery...armed robbery etc. And they could have been picked up without a warrant since due to the SOE no warrant necessary.
So why were they released?
I now watch de video..and the prime minister's words which preceded it. After hearing that Hodge podge of vacuous rhetoric she spew I convinced even more that we living in Animal Farm.
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LOL on Ctv they showing the nelson street fellas robbing people on the street , Via the CCTV cameras if you see how clean that footage is, Zoom and thing. The fat man who say he innocent , i see half he body inside somebody car robbing them, bunch ah slackers
serious??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. so is now dey pull out this evidence? why didnt they bring this forward before. STEUPSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
dpp say how the footage was from before SOE and anti gang legislation so it cyah work.
:bs:
Earlier this year the Evidence Act was amended to have video evidence admissible in court. So they could have been charged for a variety of crimes under other acts.....robbery...armed robbery etc. And they could have been picked up without a warrant since due to the SOE no warrant necessary.
So why were they released?
I now watch de video..and the prime minister's words which preceded it. After hearing that Hodge podge of vacuous rhetoric she spew I convinced even more that we living in Animal Farm.
http://video.ctntworld.com/view/862/c-news-7pm-online-130911/
I watching the clip (3:42- 5:30) and hearing the prime minister say that the state of emergency is not just for gang member but all criminals. I remember the AG the PM and Sandy justifying the SOE for this specific reason. Now the that the law bussing in front they face they're saying it is for all criminals. So in other words the police can't do standard police work without a State of Emergency.
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http://video.ctntworld.com/view/862/c-news-7pm-online-130911/
On a side note , Desha Rambhajan is without a doubt the best woman to provide nightly updates on just how bad the state is failing.
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http://video.ctntworld.com/view/862/c-news-7pm-online-130911/
On a side note , Desha Rambhajan is without a doubt the best woman to provide nightly updates on just how bad the state is failing.
Yeah she nice eh?!! Any news she gives me does sound good!! :-*
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LOL on Ctv they showing the nelson street fellas robbing people on the street , Via the CCTV cameras if you see how clean that footage is, Zoom and thing. The fat man who say he innocent , i see half he body inside somebody car robbing them, bunch ah slackers
serious??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. so is now dey pull out this evidence? why didnt they bring this forward before. STEUPSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
dpp say how the footage was from before SOE and anti gang legislation so it cyah work.
How does the footage prove that they are part of a gang? Police misusing the law... if they commit a crime then arrest them... under the normal laws. Don't use one law to arrest them for ordinary crime when the law specifically geared for certain crimes... like gang activity. This is why it get thrown out. Now if the police smart they'd go and arrest the people they see committing crime on film for having committed those crimes... not for being part of no gang b.s.
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LOL on Ctv they showing the nelson street fellas robbing people on the street , Via the CCTV cameras if you see how clean that footage is, Zoom and thing. The fat man who say he innocent , i see half he body inside somebody car robbing them, bunch ah slackers
serious??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. so is now dey pull out this evidence? why didnt they bring this forward before. STEUPSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
dpp say how the footage was from before SOE and anti gang legislation so it cyah work.
How does the footage prove that they are part of a gang? Police misusing the law... if they commit a crime then arrest them... under the normal laws. Don't use one law to arrest them for ordinary crime when the law specifically geared for certain crimes... like gang activity. This is why it get thrown out. Now if the police smart they'd go and arrest the people they see committing crime on film for having committed those crimes... not for being part of no gang b.s.
As ridiculous as this might sound, I don't think the average T&T police man understands the law but is simply ensuring they keep their jobs by carrying out the instructions of their superiors.
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It's hard to prove (for me at least) if those men actually robbed the person(s) in the vehicle. Just like Preacher, I was trying to figure out if they knew the peolpe in the car.
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http://video.ctntworld.com/view/862/c-news-7pm-online-130911/
On a side note , Desha Rambhajan is without a doubt the best woman to provide nightly updates on just how bad the state is failing.
surprising how desha went into broadcasting, but she has done extremely well and im very happy for her being a long time friend :beermug:
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It's hard to prove (for me at least) if those men actually robbed the person(s) in the vehicle. Just like Preacher, I was trying to figure out if they knew the peolpe in the car.
To me it looked more like they were passing the persons in the car something rather than robbing them!
It could very well have been a drugs transaction or even a nuts man passing his pack of salt or fresh nuts he was selling! ;)
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It's hard to prove (for me at least) if those men actually robbed the person(s) in the vehicle. Just like Preacher, I was trying to figure out if they knew the peolpe in the car.
To me it looked more like they were passing the persons in the car something rather than robbing them!
It could very well have been a drugs transaction or even a nuts man passing his pack of salt or fresh nuts he was selling! ;)
Ent!!! Ah still watching de news lol, ah on sports now....long time ah ain see we local news.
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Earlier this year the Evidence Act was amended to have video evidence admissible in court. So they could have been charged for a variety of crimes under other acts.....robbery...armed robbery etc. And they could have been picked up without a warrant since due to the SOE no warrant necessary.
So why were they released?
I now watch de video..and the prime minister's words which preceded it. After hearing that Hodge podge of vacuous rhetoric she spew I convinced even more that we living in Animal Farm.
They were arrested on suspicion of being gang members. Even if the video showed them engaging in "gang activity" that evidence cannot be used if the video was taken before the law went into effect. Think of it... every law has an "effective date", the date it goes into effect. If they pass a law that says, "Beginning September 1, 2011 it shall be illegal to paint a house yellow"... and then they show you on tape painting yuh house yellow on August 20, 2011... they can't charge you based on that evidence because at the time you were engaged in the act, painting a house yellow was not a crime.
So even if they saying that what's on the film constitutes "gang activity", they can only charge you for breaking the law after the effective date of the law. You have to have an opportunity to conform your conduct to the law, they can't outlaw conduct and charge you after the fact, this is what's know as an ex post facto law... which most democracies recognize as unconstitutional.
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side note: I listening tuh Jah Gol girlfriend and wondering what de hell is ah "studont"... is that a pupil who learns at a convont?
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As ridiculous as this might sound, I don't think the average T&T police man understands the law but is simply ensuring they keep their jobs by carrying out the instructions of their superiors.
Doesn't sound ridiculous at all... we know dat is what going on. In addition to police just running amok with the freedom they get under the anti-gang law... "I think you's ah gang member, come here." I even remember reading a quote in the Express from the Indian police official, not Anand Ramesar, the fella who responsible for Lavantille, Nelson St. etc. Ah suspect who get pick up protested as they put him in de tray that he ent in no gang, so why he being arrested. The high-ranking cop tell him "we just taking yuh downtown, just because we transporting yuh dat doh mean we arresting yuh." What??
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Apparently, the story goes like this.......
No one in the protective services were prepared for the SOE. Add to that the two top cops were overseas. Alledgedly, govt needed a big win, particularly as there was a lot of confusion about limited SOE, national SOE, curfew in hot spots, curfew nationwide etc.
Police were told to go and get the gang members. Somehow, the message wasn't delivered clearly and the details of the SOE and the new AGL were not clearly explained to the rank and file, particularly the very important point that until 15th August, being a gang member was totally LEGAL.
The police went after known gang members who they knew had committed crimes, but previous to the SOE could not be arrested as the evidence was too weak. Now, they believed they didn't need evidence to arrest and detain them, and they were correct. However, you do need evidence if you wanted to charge them. This was their mistake. They didn't detain them under the SOE, they arrested them under the AGL, which meant they had to be charged. And of course, any evidence they had was from before 15th August.
A total FUBAR. The police are legally able to go back out and detain them under the SOE if they wish. I'm still not clear why many of the arrested people weren't detained as this would have at least got them off the streets for 4 months (which I assume was the aim of govt).
As it stands, the 21 can sue for (I think) wrongful imprisonment. If they could get their cases to court, they could be paid a tidy sum. The ironic thing is, that at least some of them are gang members and the govt, through its mishandling of this situation, could actually find themselves funding gun and drug purchases.
Over to you, Bakes.
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http://video.ctntworld.com/view/862/c-news-7pm-online-130911/
On a side note , Desha Rambhajan is without a doubt the best woman to provide nightly updates on just how bad the state is failing.
Just so you all know, Desha is the woman I love and we will be getting married soon (just as soon as I eventually meet here and propose), so you all better back off, coz I know where you all live, yuh get meh? :cursing: :duel: :busshead: :challenge:
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Apparently, the story goes like this.......
No one in the protective services were prepared for the SOE. Add to that the two top cops were overseas. Alledgedly, govt needed a big win, particularly as there was a lot of confusion about limited SOE, national SOE, curfew in hot spots, curfew nationwide etc.
Police were told to go and get the gang members. Somehow, the message wasn't delivered clearly and the details of the SOE and the new AGL were not clearly explained to the rank and file, particularly the very important point that until 15th August, being a gang member was totally LEGAL.
The police went after known gang members who they knew had committed crimes, but previous to the SOE could not be arrested as the evidence was too weak. Now, they believed they didn't need evidence to arrest and detain them, and they were correct. However, you do need evidence if you wanted to charge them. This was their mistake. They didn't detain them under the SOE, they arrested them under the AGL, which meant they had to be charged. And of course, any evidence they had was from before 15th August.
A total FUBAR. The police are legally able to go back out and detain them under the SOE if they wish. I'm still not clear why many of the arrested people weren't detained as this would have at least got them off the streets for 4 months (which I assume was the aim of govt).
As it stands, the 21 can sue for (I think) wrongful imprisonment. If they could get their cases to court, they could be paid a tidy sum. The ironic thing is, that at least some of them are gang members and the govt, through its mishandling of this situation, could actually find themselves funding gun and drug purchases.
Over to you, Bakes.
They could have arrested them under the AGL (which they did) the standard is almost as ridiculously low to arrest under the AGL, as it is to arrest for any offense under the SoE. Typically police need probable cause (to believe that a crime has been committed, and that the person being arrested has committed that crime) in order to arrest. Under the AGL the police only need suspicion that you are in a gang. Under the SoE they only need suspicion that you have engaged in criminal activity... of any kind, not just gang-related crime.
The problem is that they still must have enough evidence (to get past the 'reasonable doubt' standard) in order to lay charges. The way the logic works is that you shouldn't (breach of ethics) charge someone with a crime that you can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt... because that means you know you can't secure a conviction (meet the reasonable doubt standard) but you're charging them anyways. That's wrong on many levels, some theoretical/philosophical, some practical. So kudos to Gaspard. To answer your second bolded question, this is why they had to release them... the law doesn't say they could hold you for up to 4 months... you just can't be bailed out for at least 4 months. But before we get to the question of bail, you need to justify to a magistrate that the person should be held over to begin with (that you have sufficient evidence to satisfy a conviction). This is the first threshold that Gaspard acknowledged that they couldn't meet. So if you can't convict them, what you keeping them locked up for... is how the judge (and yesterday's magistrate) sees it.
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now dey put cedros and moruga fuuckin Now :cursing: :cursing: when dey people done move what dey have to move jokers.................and What about Lisas.how nobody reach dey yet
Lefty, this is just another reason why I cyar take this SOE seriously......my guess is that the crisis that was averted but still needs another 3 months to be averted, now reach these new curfew areas......setta f&%^%*ng jokers!!
Enjoy yuh trip eh Kamla girl, yuh damn right!!
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As i said before alyuh didnt see the clean larger version of the tape. Man saying is nuts selling yes hahaha. It probrably wasnt funny for people being robbed
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As ridiculous as this might sound, I don't think the average T&T police man understands the law but is simply ensuring they keep their jobs by carrying out the instructions of their superiors.
Doesn't sound ridiculous at all... we know dat is what going on. In addition to police just running amok with the freedom they get under the anti-gang law... "I think you's ah gang member, come here." I even remember reading a quote in the Express from the Indian police official, not Anand Ramesar, the fella who responsible for Lavantille, Nelson St. etc. Ah suspect who get pick up protested as they put him in de tray that he ent in no gang, so why he being arrested. The high-ranking cop tell him "we just taking yuh downtown, just because we transporting yuh dat doh mean we arresting yuh." What??
I think his name is Singh!
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Police abusing their power? What else is new...
On another note, I heard a story a man get arrested for breaking the curfew saying he had to give money to his mother at 1:00 am. Now he claiming he was targeted. What was he doing out at that hour? What good could the mother have done with that money at that time if he was telling the truth?
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http://video.ctntworld.com/view/862/c-news-7pm-online-130911/
On a side note , Desha Rambhajan is without a doubt the best woman to provide nightly updates on just how bad the state is failing.
Yeah all dat is tactics so de blow softened. Yuh doh mind hearing dotishness as much once de person dat hadda relay the dotishness good looking.
Anyhow...people does say the law is an ass...but like that extend to the law makers and law enforcers yes.
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wouldnt they need a witness to charge them for robbing the ppl inthe car?
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I doh even watch CnMg or CNC3 since it clear dat dem is now official propaganda arms of d Gov't not that CNMG wasn't before these jokers but it worse now.....alyuh does see what does pass as critical analysis of Gov't initiatives dese days...........it reminds me of Ramesh being interviewed by he daughter...... pure nonsense
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wouldnt they need a witness to charge them for robbing the ppl inthe car?
Yeah i guess so. The AG was saying that people were afraid to come foward.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/A7fSFaqmY8U&feature=player_embedded
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http://www.youtube.com/v/A7fSFaqmY8U&feature=player_embedded
Jail dey c**t....in fact shoot de modder c**ts and dem
I do however question the release of the film. This is part of intelligence gathering and from the angle etc. the miscreants can gather their own intelligence. Stop trying to collect political points anand...jes do the f**king job
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dont worry bout dem wutless pieces of shit ..you will hear bout them DOA real soon .. police dont romp....
war
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Detainees not so innocent
Wednesday 14th September, 2011
Government and police continue to defend actions taken against 21 men who were detained in a Nelson Street raid three weeks ago and released on Monday, saying while the DPP dismissed charges on grounds of insufficient evidence, there was evidence to move against them.
On Tuesday, a video clip showing crime being committed in the Nelson Street area was released following an emergency meeting of the National Security Council.
Speaking on the First Up Programme, Deputy Commissioner of Police, Mr Mervyn Richardson, gave the police perspective on the August 23rd raid.
He said, "We had collated an abundance of information and intelligence that speak to these guys and what was going on there. I will now admit that if the State of Emergency was not actioned on the 21st of August, on the 21st, there would have been a massive operation taking place on Nelson Street regardless."
Also speaking on the First Up Programme this morning was Attorney General Anand Ramlogan.
While both men hesitated to positively identify any of the men in the clip, only saying there is a striking resemblance to some of the released detainees, they both took issue with media reports that implied the men were just innocent citizens.
AG Ramlogan said, "When I saw the headlines and the internet, these celebrity status being accorded and they were hitting back and the psychological war was being lost. We had to call upon our leader and the Prime Minister, as head of the National Security Council when we saw this. We were coming down hard on the police - what it is you are doing? When the police shared with us, I said, these guys are not how you are putting them across. It is not any decent, soft kind of thing. This is what the reality is."
AG Ramlogan said there are two sides to every coin.
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=31764&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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Detainees not so innocent
Wednesday 14th September, 2011
Government and police continue to defend actions taken against 21 men who were detained in a Nelson Street raid three weeks ago and released on Monday, saying while the DPP dismissed charges on grounds of insufficient evidence, there was evidence to move against them.
On Tuesday, a video clip showing crime being committed in the Nelson Street area was released following an emergency meeting of the National Security Council.
Speaking on the First Up Programme, Deputy Commissioner of Police, Mr Mervyn Richardson, gave the police perspective on the August 23rd raid.
He said, "We had collated an abundance of information and intelligence that speak to these guys and what was going on there. I will now admit that if the State of Emergency was not actioned on the 21st of August, on the 21st, there would have been a massive operation taking place on Nelson Street regardless."
Also speaking on the First Up Programme this morning was Attorney General Anand Ramlogan.
While both men hesitated to positively identify any of the men in the clip, only saying there is a striking resemblance to some of the released detainees, they both took issue with media reports that implied the men were just innocent citizens.
AG Ramlogan said, "When I saw the headlines and the internet, these celebrity status being accorded and they were hitting back and the psychological war was being lost. We had to call upon our leader and the Prime Minister, as head of the National Security Council when we saw this. We were coming down hard on the police - what it is you are doing? When the police shared with us, I said, these guys are not how you are putting them across. It is not any decent, soft kind of thing. This is what the reality is."
AG Ramlogan said there are two sides to every coin.
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=31764&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Richie I could call yuh dat because I know u from meh days in Police spare me please. If yuh had intelligence then yuh would ah pick up d fellas from d clip not Tom/Dick and Harry when yuh only want Tom and Dick.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/A7fSFaqmY8U&feature=player_embedded
That wall they all hidin behind have to come down!
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http://www.youtube.com/v/A7fSFaqmY8U&feature=player_embedded
That wall they all hidin behind have to come down!
Thing like that happening in broad daylight and allyuh fightin down SOE? I guess I need to get my 60 year old mother a gun then? >:(
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Thing like that happening in broad daylight and allyuh fightin down SOE? I guess I need to get my 60 year old mother a gun then? >:(
This kinda simplistic sheep thinking really irritates me... if you read the article you'll see where Richardson say they was planning on moving against them fellas in Nelson St. before the SoE. Clearly they didn't need the SoE to act and clearly this has nothing to do with calling a SoE.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/A7fSFaqmY8U&feature=player_embedded
That wall they all hidin behind have to come down!
Thing like that happening in broad daylight and allyuh fightin down SOE? I guess I need to get my 60 year old mother a gun then? >:(
them kinda thing not new to d police. if they had to call a state of emergency errtime that happen then we might as well celebrate bein a police state...d 'good' police jus doh do they wuk thaz all ..and if that sort of thing so new and so astonishing to some ppl then they livin under a rock...
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http://www.youtube.com/v/A7fSFaqmY8U&feature=player_embedded
That wall they all hidin behind have to come down!
Thing like that happening in broad daylight and allyuh fightin down SOE? I guess I need to get my 60 year old mother a gun then? >:(
Don't see how you can relate this activity to the justification for an SOE.
All we need is for the police to do their jobs properly to get these guys if they have video evidence of their criminal activity! An SOE is not required in this instance to do your job if you're a police officer!
You let me down on this one here Preacher cause I view you as an intelligent chap!
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Thing like that happening in broad daylight and allyuh fightin down SOE? I guess I need to get my 60 year old mother a gun then? >:(
This kinda simplistic sheep thinking really irritates me... if you read the article you'll see where Richardson say they was planning on moving against them fellas in Nelson St. before the SoE. Clearly they didn't need the SoE to act and clearly this has nothing to do with calling a SoE.
Simplistic sheep? Yeah I haven't gone against the grain for a while. :worried: I'm just playing. :laugh: Nonetheless, I watching the vid for what it is Bakes and no I didn't read the entire article. I'm not trying to over analyze and split hairs 4 ways and thing. That is blatant lawlessness and it have everything to do with the SOE.!!! You see TC's response and others? That visual begs/SCREAMS for the implementation of governance, personal or legislative, vigilante or elected. The role of elected government to the people supersedes even those elected when the people are crisis. Sure, they fumbling big time, yes the police had a choice, regardless, it's innocent civilians paying the price. Lawlessness provokes laws, if it doesn't then you won't have a country. Sadly, after a certain level of lawlessness you don't get to pick and choose anymore. The Bull has been loose to long, he no longer believes in boundaries so now you have to take it down with bullets. If the government don't do it civilians would do it. It's a universal progression regarding self, state and land. As for the crocked police or police not doing their jobs, once law abiding citizens have renewed faith in law they will police the police.
And Mr. Pro I still waiting for you to respond to that track. ;D
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Thing like that happening in broad daylight and allyuh fightin down SOE? I guess I need to get my 60 year old mother a gun then? >:(
This kinda simplistic sheep thinking really irritates me... if you read the article you'll see where Richardson say they was planning on moving against them fellas in Nelson St. before the SoE. Clearly they didn't need the SoE to act and clearly this has nothing to do with calling a SoE.
Simplistic sheep? Yeah I haven't gone against the grain for a while. :worried: I'm just playing. :laugh: Nonetheless, I watching the vid for what it is Bakes and no I didn't read the entire article. I'm not trying to over analyze and split hairs 4 ways and thing. That is blatant lawlessness and it have everything to do with the SOE.!!! You see TC's response and others? That visual begs/SCREAMS for the implementation of governance, personal or legislative, vigilante or elected. The role of elected government to the people supersedes even those elected when the people are crisis. Sure, they fumbling big time, yes the police had a choice, regardless, it's innocent civilians paying the price. Lawlessness provokes laws, if it doesn't then you won't have a country. Sadly, after a certain level of lawlessness you don't get to pick and choose anymore. The Bull has been loose to long, he no longer believes in boundaries so now you have to take it down with bullets. If the government don't do it civilians would do it. It's a universal progression regarding self, state and land. As for the crocked police or police not doing their jobs, once law abiding citizens have renewed faith in law they will police the police.
And Mr. Pro I still waiting for you to respond to that track. ;D
Preacher, everything that has been done since the start of this SOE........
DID NOT REQUIRE AN SOE TO FIX IT!!!!!
Tell mih something Preacher. Ent you remember when NY was dangerous back in the 70's through to the early 90's?? You ever hear dem institute a SOE to fix their crime problem?? steups!!
In fact, the President and Kamla eh taking this SOE seriously.....why the fack I should.....double steups!!!!
On a separate but related note.....ah notice de Unions cyar make a note boy.....dem went from rallying to troops and in fire and brimstone mode to walking on egg shells.......hhhhhhmmmmm.......ah have a theory.....but it so crazy it cyar work.....so let me goh back to the script.....the SOE was called to avert a crisis that was already averted that need 3 more months to avert.....triple steups!!!!
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Brownie....Let me put this way, and I'm not trying to be simplistic, honestly. In crisis, you get who's in charge. Unless, T&T isn't in crisis. Another administration may have chosen and executed differently. I'm just in favor of law, admittedly my initial post didn't reveal that. I should have just copied TC. ;D
I guess that's a good question. Minus the SOE. Do you think (or anyone else) that T&T is in crisis regarding lawlessness?
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I guess that's a good question. Minus the SOE. Do you think (or anyone else) that T&T is in crisis regarding lawlessness?
Crisis.....short definitions = disaster, emergency, calamity, catastrophe, predicament. Preacher, we were definitely in a predicament, a calamity an emergency so yes.....we were/are in a crisis. I have been a victim of crime. My neighbours, my co workers, family. So I'm not burying my head in the sand over this......
But here again is my problem with how this was/is being handled. This PP government came into office proclaiming to have the answers to solving crime. I'm sure they know, every body knows it would take time. They however proclaimed to have short term, medium term and long term plans. Fine, cool. No problem.
But they came in and started to dismantle the things put in place by the last administration aimed at fighting crime apparently just on the basis of these things being PNM.....I too had concerns with the expenditure on some of these things.....but tweak it here and there. Don't dismantle it wholesale....and they couldn't get a hold of the run away murder rate.
But then that just weeks before they themselves proclaim to all who would hear that the murder rate was coming down. And then bam...out of the blue we get an SOE......
Now I would have thought that having called this SOE we would see some semblance of a plan being executed to really get rid of criminal elements every where......
How come Point Lisas eh lock down yet for example?? How come they NOW securing the maritime borders??
Preacher, every body knows who the corrupt police officers are, the corrupt customs officials are etc. How come we eh see dem in handcuffs yet??
All I have seen since the start of this SOE is fumbling from one course of action to a next like headless chickens......
So they used their most powerful weapon but clearly had no plan to execute it. And I'm supposed to be comforted by that?? !! They themselves aren't taking it seriously.....The friggin President on vacation and Kamla riding out tomorrow or Friday for Pete's sake!!!
And no, my life hasn't been altered dramatically by this SOE. I can't lime as late as I want to and that is a minor inconvenience. But doh take away my choice to lime late or not. To move freely or not and den you eh have a blasted plan to back it up?? Only ah setta gun talk and rhetoric.
I cyar sit back and be comfortable when an SOE is being used to pick up people with traffic tickets and for maintenance!!! What shyte is that??!! steups!!!
So yes, we have a crisis with lawlessness.....but it would be solved not by a jokey SOE for 3 months, but by taking tough decisions that our leaders are too weak to take.....
Ah feel dais where the real crisis is.....leadership.....and not from this government eh......but overall in society as a whole.......lack of real leaders.....every body just for themselves......steups!!!
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So much for them rusty arse guns dey find in Las Cuevas.....setta jokers!!! steups!!!
Emergency notes
By Raffique Shah
THE best crime-fighting measures emerging from the Emergency thus far are the medium-term initiatives Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar announced when she wound up the motion that saw Parliament extend the State of Emergency for three months. The Selwyn Ryan committee that will look at curbing criminality, the case-flow-management team of attorneys, the proposed amnesty for minor offences and the possible release from prison of convicts who no longer pose a threat to society, if aggressively pursued, would yield more benefits to the society than the steep drop in crimes during the Emergency.
The challenge will be whether the various committees and teams are allowed to function effectively. Politicians have a way of making grandiose plans and appointing the best people to formulate them. But they fail to lend adequate support as the committees get down to work. Worse, if the recommendations do not find favour with Government, they are unceremoniously cast aside.
I need add that some of these measures were touted by the Patrick Manning administration—abolition of preliminary enquiries, reconstruction of East Port of Spain, rehabilitation units in the prisons, to name three. Somehow, they got lost along the way as criminals grew in stature and communities came under siege.
Will this Government allow preventative measures and restorative justice to replace the punitive systems that have helped spawn more criminals thus far? I can only hope they will. Because if they fail, if at the end of the time-limited SoE we see nothing new, it would be only a matter of time before we return to the savagery of yesterday.
I should like to add my two-cents-worth to the initiatives already announced. I have long queried why magistrates and judges insist on jailing drug addicts, except when they commit serious crimes. Besides negatively affecting overcrowded prisons, we are dealing with a revolving-door phenomenon. They enter today, are released two months later, only to return again and again.
Government must consider setting up some properly policed rehabilitation centres, preferably in Chacachacare or one of the other islands. It will cost us some, but the long-term savings will be worth it.
There is also an urgent need to flush the prisons of petty offenders in order to save them from becoming hardened criminals, and to make room for savages who are beyond redemption. I know that prison is a "crime factory". I have been there, seen how it works, so I write with authority. The electro-nic monitoring devices Government proposes to introduce offer a window for addressing this option.
Regarding the judicial system, the population needs to know why certain lethal offenders sit in jail for years, "calling shots" on witnesses and associates on the outside as they await snail-paced-justice. Is there not a prioritising procedure that can see such matters dispensed with in short order?
I have read about, and listened to, some victims of police and army emergency powers, and they are frightening. One radio personality, who is on air and available to the police anytime they choose, reported how he was picked up last week, in the dead of night, thrown into a cell and spent 12 hours in custody—for a $200 traffic offences ticket he had not paid. He said that a fire officer was similarly treated, as were four persons who had failed to pay child-maintenance money.
They were in a crowded cell with at least one murder accused, and they were not told why until long after they had been dragged from their homes.
Several other persons who were not arrested or charged with any offence were badly beaten by police officers or soldiers. Yet others "disappeared" after being arrested.
Surely, Commissioner Dwayne Gibbs and Brigadier Kenrick Mahabir cannot be proud of their charges who acted, and continue to act, like hoodlums. If you use emergency powers to arrest persons for petty offences, that's tantamount to abuse! Come on! You can do better if you want to play the numbers game.
On another note, my colleagues in the media are going overboard reporting on "high-powered" guns found or seized by the police or army. All guns are deadly—from a .22 pistol to a .9mm sub-machine gun and a 7.62mm rifle. So every firearm recovered means one fewer gun in the hands of criminals. I have said, from the start of the SoE, I'd prefer the armed forces seize 1,000 firearms and arrest 100 gangsters than the other way round.
Still, let's stop the sensationalism. Reports of sniper's weapons and long-range, rapid-fire guns recovered can be misleading. Do we know of a single case in this country in which a rifle was used from 1,000 metres to murder someone? Not one! Those jokers would miss their targets from beyond 20 metres!
Is there evidence of criminals using rapid-fire weapons in their murderous exploits? One newspaper reported that the police found a "gun capable of firing 1,000 rounds a minute". Only a GPMG, or similar medium machine gun, has that capability.
My knowledge of weapons tells that a sub-machine gun may have been used in the killing-spree in Arima that triggered the SoE. Have the police recovered that weapon? I think not. Ballistics, combined with forensic examinations of the victims' corpses, can tell. Go after guns like that.
Regarding the arms cache found in Las Cuevas, clearly, those rusted .303 rifles and assorted guns are now useless. It would be informative, though, to learn where they came from and who buried them there. The .303 rifle was the standard personal weapon in the Defence Force up to 1966, and in the Police Service until 1970.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/commentaries/Emergency_notes-129603423.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/commentaries/Emergency_notes-129603423.html)
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So yes, we have a crisis with lawlessness.....but it would be solved not by a jokey SOE for 3 months, but by taking tough decisions that our leaders are too weak to take.....
Ah feel dais where the real crisis is.....leadership.....and not from this government eh......but overall in society as a whole.......lack of real leaders.....every body just for themselves......steups!!!
I can respect that B, I think that's where most posters can agree to land on. I do hope it's lack of leadership and nothing more sinister from their end. :praying: I also agree, if the Colombian gang story is accurate ALL coastal areas should have been closed.
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So yes, we have a crisis with lawlessness.....but it would be solved not by a jokey SOE for 3 months, but by taking tough decisions that our leaders are too weak to take.....
Ah feel dais where the real crisis is.....leadership.....and not from this government eh......but overall in society as a whole.......lack of real leaders.....every body just for themselves......steups!!!
I can respect that B, I think that's where most posters can agree to land on. I do hope it's lack of leadership and nothing more sinister from their end. :praying: I also agree, if the Colombian gang story is accurate ALL coastal areas should have been closed.
It have a curfew at sea now. So the AG say
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after all what hadda pass pass already then they wanna lock up borders an d entry points...i doh relly bodder wit kamala an dem u know is jus dey relly tryin to insult mih intelligence
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I feel the crisis has not yet arrived. This SOE is going to be a public relations nightmare for the government. It doesn't matter now if they find a cache of 50 machine guns or a $50 million drug haul, people will not be satisfied. For 3 weeks now, the population has been relatively patient, but they are now bored. The SOE was exciting, watching tv every night to see how many are arrested, how many guns have been discovered etc
But now, people are bored with hearing another 30 people have been arrested for outstanding warrents.
The Nelson St situation was embarrassing, made even more so by the release of cctv. We're on lockdown for 3 weeks only so police can capture and release known criminals, who could now sue the govt.
No major drug dealers - the so called "big fish" - have been caught and we have no information if any gang leaders have been caught and will be charged.
Yes, guns have been located.....rusty 30 year old guns, home made guns and pistols that probably will misfire if shot.
And now, after we've recovered from hearing our two senior cops were out of the country when the SOE was announced, the President is on holiday and the PM is off to Australia. WTF? This SOE is so important that businesses are forced to close, people are afraid to go to hospital after 11pm. Even our Independence Day celebrations and our National football has been disrupted. Yet its not so important that the President couldn't postpone his holiday? Not important enough for Kamla to send someone in her place? At times of crisis, people look to their leader on the bridge of the sinking ship, fighting to stay afloat. But our leader has disappeared. An SOE is the most serious state a country can undergo, but its still not as important as a trip to the other side of the world?
I find this incredibly disrespectful.
Once this SOE ends, the govt will have to answer lots of questions and I believe they will have insufficient answers. Be prepared for a national strike the week after the SOE finishes, because the unions have been refused their civil rights. They will already be planning their moves. And disenfranchised citizens will support and join them. Gangs will be hyper active establishing new turf boundries and filling the vacuum left by those few gang members charged. Be prepared for another SOE.
I have heard nothing other than political "top secret" excuses for justifying the SOE. I am 100% in favour of a tough anti crime policy, but I think the SOE was badly executed and poorly thought through. Guliano cleaned up NY with zero tolerance, why couldn't we try that?
I'm sure that govt still has the mandate of the people at the moment, but it will be the aftermath of the SOE that will be the real problem. Are we seriously supposed to believe that one day, in 3 months time, the SOE will end and we will emerge into a new T&T where everyone will live together in some utopia? What will the govt do if the crime rate returns to the same rate? What happens if 6 people are murdered in the first week?
I feel the crisis has not yet arrived.
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people on here talkin ketch de big fish,who is de big fish.....call f**kin names,when NAR come to power in 86 issa nicholas give them 25 million,few months after police raid he paper factory on the highway,AG richardson call them ah tell them get out.
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Emergency debate
By Martin Daly
Story Created: Sep 11, 2011 at 12:38 AM ECT
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Story Updated: Sep 11, 2011 at 12:38 AM ECT )
The debates on the proclamation of the State of Emergency and its extension for three months were not as nasty I feared. It appears that the nastier remarks were confined to the cross talk.
I did have one shock. That was upon hearing it said that the Anti Gang legislation although completed in May was not proclaimed until mid August, a week or so before the proclamation of the State of Emergency. I did not hear any explanation about this alleged delay, which would be surprising in view of the bipartisan character of the finished product.
Perhaps if the Minister of National Security had wound up the debate he commenced, he might have dealt with this and also answered some other points. I consider this failure of the Minister of National Security to wind up was one of some blots on a debate that was reasonable although lacking in variety of ideas.
In this touchy society, it is necessary to say again that my comments are not intended as a personal attack on those on whose report cards there may be blots. We have to move past taking everything personally and seeing racial jumbies as soon as it is politically expedient to do so. I should mention that this expediency seems to have affected some of the more financially comfortable among us, who seem edgy, when I and other commentators insist that the State of Emergency will not be a success unless the importers and financiers of drugs, guns and prostitution are detained. Whom are they defending?
I should also say in passing, that Khafra Kambon, Chairman of the Emancipation Support Committee, and Foulade Motota of WINAD, not of course members of Parliament, were models of restraint in their television interviews, even though graphically describing the adverse effect of the State of Emergency on the "hot spot" areas chosen for curfew.
Another blot was the proposition of the Minister of Sport, Mr. Anil Roberts, that his playing in a match in the Oval was related to the work of his Ministry so that he did not have to attend Parliament on the first of the two days of the debate on the extension. When a sporting event takes precedence over the debate is this not trivialisation of the State of Emergency?
I have said repeatedly that picking up large numbers of hot spot residents is not a measure of the success of the State of Emergency. In my very first interview, I condemned the use of the State of Emergency, if it was going to be used to pick up alleged but ordinary wrongdoers on the streets of east Port of Spain. That is normal police work subject to due process, which must not be contaminated by biased profiling.
I was very disappointed therefore that the Minister of Housing and the Environment, Dr Roodal Moonilal, chose to describe those persons at the time in custody as 1,300 reasons for the State of Emergency. Such remarks inevitably contain an undertone that one can be careless with the freedom and other rights of hot spot residents. They do not count for less than the rest of us and human beings are not straws to be boastfully clutched. In addition, as has already become clear, the imprisonment of a significant number of the persons arrested may not be justified and prison conditions in Trinidad and Tobago are nauseating and add to the trauma of wrongful detention.
Generally, the PNM MPs fought their very narrow corner but, until they throw their previous leader and all his pomps overboard, they will have a credibility deficit. One cannot detach their legitimate defence of their beleaguered constituents from the fact that they sat on their hands on the issue of violent crime. Throughout their previous tenure they did not think to bring Anti Gang legislation (the efficacy of which still has to be tested) and yet they all pleaded for time to make it work. Nevertheless, Dr. Amery Browne was impressive and comprehensive in touching many different bases. He followed the Minister of Foreign Affairs and Communications, Dr Suruj Rambachan, who put the Government's case forcefully. Donna Cox raised the case of the detained footballer with fire and conviction.
Last weekend's debate represented genuine debate because there was a rare policy difference between the two parties, namely, whether the State of Emergency weapon should have been deployed at this time or at all. Debating a genuine difference kept speakers more to the issues and less to the insults. It was particularly pleasing that as each speaker rose he or she first tackled what the immediately preceding speaker had said and did not simply launch into reading a prepared text, which bore little or no relation to what had been said in the debating chamber earlier.
Have we achieved a little something in the Parliament on which we can build and set a better example?
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FS yuh hit d nail right on d head, and this my issue, d thing was poorly planned in d first place, d gov't and maybe the entire political structure in bed with "alleged" high rankin proponents of the crime problem, so yuh know no port lockin dong, no containers getting seriously searched. Do not be fooled they where d high tech weapons and drugs comin in and dey hands well and truly tied...................this SOE is about creatin enough quiet to skew the crime statistics ...............dat added to d sure to arrive if not already present onslaught of govt sponsored TV spots designed to bullshit d bullshitable among us............spin seems to be all dey good at....and just barely too because they always seem to be desperately reaching or weaving fanciful tales drawn from weekend Matinee specials ...."pictures with Xs" please.............
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So what u guys suggest in place of the SOE?
And be practical.
You know with stuff like this there are always reports of wrongful arrests and victimization.
The question is whether we willing to pay this price for an attempt to clean up the country.
I for one see a Govt trying something.
Clearly everything that was tried before since UNC days was not working.
Only time will tell now.
If they extend the SOE to Xmas then is trouble.
And on the issue of the PM leaving the country, why is it that people have an issue again with KPB leaving? Isn't she going to address the UN General Asembly?? If it were a vacation then I would have an issue with it.
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people on here talkin ketch de big fish,who is de big fish.....call f**kin names,when NAR come to power in 86 issa nicholas give them 25 million,few months after police raid he paper factory on the highway,AG richardson call them ah tell them get out.
Where Selwyn Richardson 2day?
So what u guys suggest in place of the SOE?
And be practical.
You know with stuff like this there are always reports of wrongful arrests and victimization.
The question is whether we willing to pay this price for an attempt to clean up the country.
I for one see a Govt trying something.
Clearly everything that was tried before since UNC days was not working.
Only time will tell now.
If they extend the SOE to Xmas then is trouble.
And on the issue of the PM leaving the country, why is it that people have an issue again with KPB leaving? Isn't she going to address the UN General Asembly?? If it were a vacation then I would have an issue with it.
Friend yuh country cyah b under a SOE and yuh gone to d UN? She have a Deputy Chair at Commonwealth let dem make d address. As 4 what 2 do stop d flow of drugs and guns and lock up who financing it. So doh lock down d sea 3 wks after yuh take my rights away and doh b pussy footin wit d FIU.
I would like 2 remind peeps dat this gang war strted when Sadeeq strted 2 give Bill and dem URP contract and dey strted 2 use d ghost gang payroll 2 finance dey gun and drugs. D gang wars commence wit Morvant v Laventille wit dem fellas in Picton up where he build d big water tank.
So 4 Kamla and dem 2 say dey tryin 2 address d problem dey need 2 admit that they who strted d gang warfare and now it spread up d hill v down d hill and d lil black hen chicken and dem continue 2 b pawns. I sorry 4 d innocent peeps who gte lock up but all dem bandit dem no tears are being shed.
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So what u guys suggest in place of the SOE?
1) how about lojackin d frickin police cars and institutin mandatory rostered and Centrally dispatch and supervised patrols throughout TT.
2) how about patrollin known and alleged ports of entry for illegal drugs and guns on an ongoing basis, snap container searches at d main ports
3) how about growin some balls an jumpin out d big men pockets.
4) how about investigative and evidence gathering Law enforcement trainin for we police officers, because it obviously sadly lacking
and dais jus a few off d top ah mih head
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Police Stats
Since the announcement of the state of Emergency on August 21, police have arrested a total of 2,102 people, seized 89 illegal firearms and 12,202 rounds of assorted ammunition.
Gang-related—447
Drug-related—391
Homicide—48
Other offences—45
Serious offences —461
Breaking curfew—119
Inquires—138
Traffic offences—400
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Weary - we talking solutions, not who cause what and who have to fess and own up. That achieves nothing, its actually kinda childish. Those policies were implemented by people who are for the most part no longer in govt or opposition. Both UNC and PNM have a long list of past indescretions that led to where we are today. Its kinda unfair to the PNM cause although they have IMO been much more at fault, they have been in power an order of magnitude longer. The PNM book of governing is fully entrenched in the Jamaican system of governance, just look at the heavyweights in the party over the decades and where they went University.
I guess we disagree about KPB going to the UN - That is the Superbowl of the world political scenes, its protocol for all heads of states to attend. Even Ahmadinejad routinely attends and addresses...
There are lots of countries who have instituted SOE's in the last 10, for a variety of reasons. What would be nice is if KPB uses her address to highlight the effect of the drug trade on Caribbean nations and lobby for more help. Its the political stage where many world policies are set.
Arguing whether she goes or not is the same as arguing to pave a highway or build a hospital - or hosting a Summit or buying police cars. There are always 2 sides, you have to weigh the potential rewards and risks of both. What can Kamla physically do here for 3 days that she can't on a cell phone or Skype from her Washington hotel when it comes to the SOE? Lets see what she talks about.
What is very worrying for me is the fact that we not seeing the big picture - we are still not 100% sure whether the SOE was called because of the supposed drug war or just to arrest rising gang activity in the country. Before the SOE, I think most serious crimes were down a fair bit from last year....If it was called for the drug war, then if reports are right, the Govt and intelligence knows the players involved and should be equipped to deal with all eventualities. Calling a SOE means the Govt and law enforcement saw that they were not in control. THe National Security advisors will have their reasons, but its an alarming situation when your Govt cannot cope with civil ills like that.
If the SOE was for general upsurge in crime, I would more accept that, as a new plan to address crime.
The real insight will come after it has been lifted, will we return to simmilar levels, higher or lower (highly doubt).
Points for trying something new if this is the case.
They should also IMO set up an official body to deal with abuses of power during the SOE....
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Weary - we talking solutions, not who cause what and who have to fess and own up. That achieves nothing, its actually kinda childish. Those policies were implemented by people who are for the most part no longer in govt or opposition. Both UNC and PNM have a long list of past indescretions that led to where we are today. Its kinda unfair to the PNM cause although they have IMO been much more at fault, they have been in power an order of magnitude longer. The PNM book of governing is fully entrenched in the Jamaican system of governance, just look at the heavyweights in the party over the decades and where they went University.
I guess we disagree about KPB going to the UN - That is the Superbowl of the world political scenes, its protocol for all heads of states to attend. Even Ahmadinejad routinely attends and addresses...
There are lots of countries who have instituted SOE's in the last 10, for a variety of reasons. What would be nice is if KPB uses her address to highlight the effect of the drug trade on Caribbean nations and lobby for more help. Its the political stage where many world policies are set.
Arguing whether she goes or not is the same as arguing to pave a highway or build a hospital - or hosting a Summit or buying police cars. There are always 2 sides, you have to weigh the potential rewards and risks of both. What can Kamla physically do here for 3 days that she can't on a cell phone or Skype from her Washington hotel when it comes to the SOE? Lets see what she talks about.
What is very worrying for me is the fact that we not seeing the big picture - we are still not 100% sure whether the SOE was called because of the supposed drug war or just to arrest rising gang activity in the country. Before the SOE, I think most serious crimes were down a fair bit from last year....If it was called for the drug war, then if reports are right, the Govt and intelligence knows the players involved and should be equipped to deal with all eventualities. Calling a SOE means the Govt and law enforcement saw that they were not in control. THe National Security advisors will have their reasons, but its an alarming situation when your Govt cannot cope with civil ills like that.
If the SOE was for general upsurge in crime, I would more accept that, as a new plan to address crime.
The real insight will come after it has been lifted, will we return to simmilar levels, higher or lower (highly doubt).
Points for trying something new if this is the case.
They should also IMO set up an official body to deal with abuses of power during the SOE....
I gave solutions but if yuh need 2 go forward u got 2 look bck especially since when u have amnesia as 2 what cause d problem in d 1st place. I eh know Iran under a SOE. So she gone 2 d superbowl and leave we in d SOE. No justification of her trip me eh care bout d UN because by d time dem done wit we eh go b a member of d UN we eh go b a nation.
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Weary - we talking solutions, not who cause what and who have to fess and own up. That achieves nothing, its actually kinda childish. Those policies were implemented by people who are for the most part no longer in govt or opposition. Both UNC and PNM have a long list of past indescretions that led to where we are today. Its kinda unfair to the PNM cause although they have IMO been much more at fault, they have been in power an order of magnitude longer. The PNM book of governing is fully entrenched in the Jamaican system of governance, just look at the heavyweights in the party over the decades and where they went University.
I guess we disagree about KPB going to the UN - That is the Superbowl of the world political scenes, its protocol for all heads of states to attend. Even Ahmadinejad routinely attends and addresses...
There are lots of countries who have instituted SOE's in the last 10, for a variety of reasons. What would be nice is if KPB uses her address to highlight the effect of the drug trade on Caribbean nations and lobby for more help. Its the political stage where many world policies are set.
Arguing whether she goes or not is the same as arguing to pave a highway or build a hospital - or hosting a Summit or buying police cars. There are always 2 sides, you have to weigh the potential rewards and risks of both. What can Kamla physically do here for 3 days that she can't on a cell phone or Skype from her Washington hotel when it comes to the SOE? Lets see what she talks about.
What is very worrying for me is the fact that we not seeing the big picture - we are still not 100% sure whether the SOE was called because of the supposed drug war or just to arrest rising gang activity in the country. Before the SOE, I think most serious crimes were down a fair bit from last year....If it was called for the drug war, then if reports are right, the Govt and intelligence knows the players involved and should be equipped to deal with all eventualities. Calling a SOE means the Govt and law enforcement saw that they were not in control. THe National Security advisors will have their reasons, but its an alarming situation when your Govt cannot cope with civil ills like that.
If the SOE was for general upsurge in crime, I would more accept that, as a new plan to address crime.
The real insight will come after it has been lifted, will we return to simmilar levels, higher or lower (highly doubt).
Points for trying something new if this is the case.
They should also IMO set up an official body to deal with abuses of power during the SOE....
:bs: on the bolded part. They self block Patos when he wanted to call and SoE. :bs:
Ok good they call the SoE, what structures, policies, or provision are they putting in place during this time of "peace" that will asist in a long term effort of keeping the murder rate down and crime under a level of control?
For as much as we argue about whether or not the SoE is justified, nothing else is doing in de country. The government of today has yet to govern 1 day - not 1 day. They have been making excuses, backtracking and pointing fingers from the moment they were sworn in. Now they call an SoE and still making up things as they go along.
How about they show us or give us a glimpse of what will happen after the SoE is raised. Believe you me, they just cannot remove the curfew and SoE all "willy-nilly". They absolutely have no plan and no idea how to develop an effective strategy for the short-term and the even worst for the long-term. Listening to "them" you can see and hear that they are out of ideas and up Shyte creek with 1-ply toilet paper.
So as much as you talking and asking people to name solutions, where are the government programs and initiative that they areputting in place to ease the country out of the SoE?
Until you can point to that, anyone here do not need to have solutions for criticizing and even if they present a solution it does not need to be perfect.
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Laventille man shot dead by police
Thursday 15th September, 2011
The first killing by police since the start of the State of Emergency took place in Laventille around 10:30pm on Wednesday.
The victim has been identified as 24 year old Shemell Henry of Erica Street, Rock City in Laventille. He was chasing after Calil Melville in the Eastern Quarry area.
Mr Henry is reported to have fired several shots at Mr Melville when Inter Agency Task Force officers on patrol came upon the chase, and were fired upon.
The officers returned fire and Mr Henry was shot.
He was taken to the Port of Spain General Hospital but died. Mr Melville was treated at hospital for gunshot wounds sustained while running from Henry.
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=31816&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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Laventille man shot dead by police
Thursday 15th September, 2011
The first killing by police since the start of the State of Emergency took place in Laventille around 10:30pm on Wednesday.
The victim has been identified as 24 year old Shemell Henry of Erica Street, Rock City in Laventille. He was chasing after Calil Melville in the Eastern Quarry area.
Mr Henry is reported to have fired several shots at Mr Melville when Inter Agency Task Force officers on patrol came upon the chase, and were fired upon.
The officers returned fire and Mr Henry was shot.
He was taken to the Port of Spain General Hospital but died. Mr Melville was treated at hospital for gunshot wounds sustained while running from Henry.
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=31816&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
How long 2 u SOE supporters feel dat these bandits go stay inside b4 they strt bck 2 shoot at each other? If d time was spend on finding evidence on these criminals we would have a longterm solution 2 d crime problem.
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Great article by Martin Daly... touched on every possible point with insight, intelligence and a healthy dose of impartiality.
As for the SoE talk... I really ent have the patience.
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ah addin some flavour to de mix....scotland yard investigating issa and georgie
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Shotgun, ammo, cocaine found at Maracas
Thursday 15th September, 2011
North Eastern Division police have recovered 1 homemade shotgun and five 12-gauge cartridges wrapped in camouflage clothing at an abandoned building in the Maracas Bay area.
According the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service's Public Information Officer, ASP Joanne Archie, the find was made in an exercise conducted around 1:30am on Thursday at Hotel Road.
"They also found one kilogramme of cocaine with a street value of $3000, and 3 kilogrammes of marijuana with a street value of $15,000. No one was arrested."
ASP Archie also confirmed that investigations are continuing into an incident in which a pouch of marijuana was discovered by two women who returned from the United States via Jamaica on Tuesday.
On landing at the Piarco International Airport, the 30 year old woman and her 32 year old sister, both of Friendship Village in Ste Madeleine, were approached by a man who told them that he was a security officer and an illegal substance was detected in their luggage.
"The ladies became suspicious and refused to accompany him and the man left. They then left for their home at San Fernando and upon arrival at their home and checking their luggage, they discovered a yellow and green pouch which contained 2 kilogrammes of compressed marijuana with a street value of $55,000. A neighbour, who is a police officer, was informed and took possession of the drugs. The Ste Madeleine Police visited the scene, interviewed persons and enquiries are continuing into that report."
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=31830&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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Police release videos depicting criminal activity on Nelson Street
Thursday 15th September, 2011
The public has been urged to come forward with information after the Police Service released a number of video clips showing criminal activity on Nelson Street.
The video clippings were released following an emergency meeting of the National Security Council on Tuesday.
To view the video clips provided by the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service, click the following links:
Clip 1
http://video.ctntworld.com/view/866/ttps-nelson-st-criminal-activity-clip-1/
Clip 2
http://video.ctntworld.com/view/867/ttps-nelson-st-criminal-activity-clip-2/
Clip 3
http://video.ctntworld.com/view/868/ttps-nelson-st-criminal-activity-clip-3/
Clip 4
http://video.ctntworld.com/view/869/ttps-nelson-st-criminal-activity-clip-4/
Clip 5
http://video.ctntworld.com/view/869/ttps-nelson-st-criminal-activity-clip-4/
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=31832&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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Alyuh the port getting shake up!!! . they just find a container full with marijuana on the Port
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Major drug find at Plipdeco
Thursday 15th September, 2011
A major drug bust in Point Lisas was made on Thursday afternoon when a 40 foot container of marijuana was discovered at the Point Lisas Industrial Port Development Corporation Limited (PLIPDECO).
The Criminal Intelligence Unit, Customs Marine Interdiction Unit and the Plipdeco Tactical Unit made the find at around 5:20pm.
This is said to be the 4th drug find for the year at this port.
Senior Superintendent Martinez of the CIU is spearheading the investigation together with President of the Port, Ashley Taylor.
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=31856&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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Alyuh the port getting shake up!!! . they just find a container full with marijuana on the Port
after d coke and d guns done gone steups.......dais bait for d gullible if dey did do dis d minute dey call d SOE ah woulda aplaud dem as it stands now it jus feels to far after d fact
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This is what i cant understand with the trinbago police, why they did not let the owner come and collect the containers so they could arrest them chups?
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Alyuh the port getting shake up!!! . they just find a container full with marijuana on the Port
after d coke and d guns done gone steups.......dais bait for d gullible if dey did do dis d minute dey call d SOE ah woulda aplaud dem as it stands now it jus feels to far after d fact
Well seeing we dont know when the container come in , we cant say that yet. But i know is years now them thing coming in and people turning a blind eye.
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Alyuh the port getting shake up!!! . they just find a container full with marijuana on the Port
after d coke and d guns done gone steups.......dais bait for d gullible if dey did do dis d minute dey call d SOE ah woulda aplaud dem as it stands now it jus feels to far after d fact
Well seeing we dont know when the container come in , we cant say that yet. But i know is years now them thing coming in and people turning a blind eye.
dias d point right dey man is years now, people hearin dese ting............ah coordinated operation planned for and executed jus as the SOE start, I sure, woulda net not jus weed but odder illegal goods.......... d only ting yuh woulda have to ban cellphones and calls in general for police and maybe :whistling: definitely :whistling: not inform d govt AND opposition (to rid us of any hint ah bias here :) ) but we know dat not goin to happen............who is d "Honest" policeman woulda plan an' run dat anyways ???
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ah addin some flavour to de mix....scotland yard investigating issa and georgie
best news ive heard whole SoE
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Given that the footage has been made public , can it still be used in court at all ?
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Given that the footage has been made public , can it still be used in court at all ?
why not? In the states dey does show footage and ask for people to come forward if they know de perps.
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Over $60m to freed 'gangsters'
Wrongful arrests may cost Govt
By Nikita Braxton-Benjamin nikita.braxton@trinidadexpress.com
Story Created: Sep 15, 2011 at 12:51 AM ECT
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Story Updated: Sep 15, 2011 at 12:51 AM ECT )
TAXPAYERS could end up paying tens of millions of dollars to the alleged gangsters who are being freed as a result of the collapse of the cases laid under the Anti-Gang legislation.
This was the view of three attorneys representing ten men charged with being members of the Market gang based in Princes Town.
The men, being held in the Guantanamo Bay section of the Golden Grove prison, are expected to reappear in the Princes Town Magistrates' Court tomorrow.
The prosecution has been ordered by the court to hand over evidence against the men to the Director of Public Prosecutions Roger Gaspard.
On Monday, 21 men arrested and charged under the Anti-Gang legislation were freed in the Port of Spain Magistrates' Court after Gaspard said there was no evidence against the group.
Yesterday attorneys Richard Valere, Dane Halls and Petronilla Basdeo called a press conference to warn of the danger of litigation.
The attorneys said there were several High Court cases in which victims, represented by then civil attorney and now Attorney General Anand Ramlogan, were awarded at least $300,000 each for breach of their constitutional right.
Valere said, "At the end of the line, it will be citizens who will be paying damages for the errors committed by the decision-makers; the people who make the policy decision to arrest and charge and bring before the court person, who are in their view, gang members."
Valere calculated that as much as $60 million would have to be paid to the detainees.
Basdeo said the longer the defendants were kept in custody, the greater the damages in the end.
"The fault of the State in dragging their feet in respect to those matters, I do not think should be tolerated," he said.
The attorneys said they researched the legislation and concluded that their clients were being wrongfully arrested.
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Given that the footage has been made public , can it still be used in court at all ?
why not? In the states dey does show footage and ask for people to come forward if they know de perps.
Just asking.
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Since last wk Annisette talkin bout containers at Pt. Lisas wit drugs but he is an ex PNM Board Member of d infamous UDECOTT so doh take him on.
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Ent it supposed to be easy to determine who owns a container. Why hasn't the name of the owner been made public ?
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Ent it supposed to be easy to determine who owns a container. Why hasn't the name of the owner been made public ?
Probably cuz they might have paid to own the container...but they can claim that at any time it could have been put in without their notice.
Anyhow....while several persons are pussyfooting around the big fish.....the one and only JW Alleyne (the younger brother of Ian Alleyne) has set out on a quest to bring down the big fish. You can view the drama unfolding here (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=51998.msg769479#msg769479).
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here (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=51998.msg769479#msg769479).
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30 million worth of drugs on the 40ft refrigerated container. Owned by a central Business man, no name was given. DRUGS FOR SO!!! compressed!!
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Boots and lock up for traffic violations and questioning for 30 million in drugs. Hmm, some state of emergency.
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Boots and lock up for traffic violations and questioning for 30 million in drugs. Hmm, some state of emergency.
Now now Jah dem traffice peeps guilty while it is aledge it a window wit d central business man
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Investigations continue into $34M drug find at Plipdeco
Friday 16th September, 2011
Investigations into a $34-million drug bust at PLIPDECO are continuing.
On Thursday, the Criminal Intelligence Unit, Customs Marine Interdiction Unit and the Plipdeco Tactical Unit made the find in what has been described as an ongoing exercise between the various agencies.
According to Mr Ian Atherly, the Chairman of Plipdeco, just over 895 kilos of marijuana was discovered in a 40-foot refrigerated container of frozen chicken on the Plipdeco Port in Point Lisas.
"We conducted another exercise today involving 32 containers. This container happened to be #31 and we found what, I am told, is bigger than all the previous finds of the last few years."
The find is said to be the 4th for the year on this port.
The container, which originated in Jamaica, was destined for Trinidad and arrived at the port earlier this week.
Law enforcement officials declined to say the address which the container was to be delivered to and its consignee's name. However, they said a thorough investigation is now being conducted.
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=31870&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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Ian say is a business man who connected to fast food ? ??? then he say Food lol .
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http://www.youtube.com/v/TnHC3ky9uHg
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DING DING DING!!!! Business man come on down, you're the next contestant on the PRICE IS RIGHT
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Wheyyy sah, dat is rel weed....
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Hear how that arrest go ;D
So you bring in marijuana? It wasn't me
And you get it from Jamaica? It wasn't me
Look your name on the paper. It wasn't me
But this is your container. It wasn't me
good job fellas.
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Is it a JAPanese businessman
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Is it a JAPanese businessman
i dont think the japanese from central...more like grande...
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Is it a JAPanese businessman
i dont think the japanese from central...more like grande...
Nah, you gotta figure who uses frozen chicken....like restaurants etc
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Preacher register that calypso quickly .
That been happening in central for years , a well known BIG fish from Dow Village California been bringing in Scotch whiskey and who knows what else from Venezuela for christmas around this time every year , the police know the politicians know , he was very respected for that .
Crime in Trinbago would never stop, to much profit for the for the Big Fish politicians .
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I like when Alleyne said the dog is not a pot hound but a caribbean shepard
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a central businessman
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We may have a ganja war just now it is 34 million ....... :o :o
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We may have a ganja war just now it is 34 million ....... :o :o
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Marijuana_prices_double_as_shortage_hits-130046663.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Marijuana_prices_double_as_shortage_hits-130046663.html)
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Nelson Street residents speak out
By Mark Pouchet
While some Nelson Street, Port of Spain residents and businesses believe the State of Emergency is helping to curb the criminal activity in the area, many believe police know who the criminals are and are possibly involved with them.
Resident Selwyn Peters, an employee of the Housing Development Corporation who also moonlights as a helper at Frederick Jones Hardware and Church Goods on lower Nelson Street, told the Sunday Express the shop's owners had become prisoners in their store, compared to 40 years ago.
"We used to sell goods on the pavement now everything is caged in, burglar proof on the roof, the front, the back, the side...everywhere," he said, adding that he believed the police and some of the 21 Nelson Street residents, arrested and then released recently, knew one another well.
The shop's cashier, who did not want to disclose her name, recalled an incident in which a man from the area robbed them at gunpoint on consecutive days.
She said on the first day the man was dressed in just a bandanna and wore tattered clothes while on the second day he was decked out in "brand name clothes".
"He said, 'I come for the same thing I came yesterday'," she said, adding that he asked them to empty the cash register again, "and he said 'you think I should take the dollar bills and the 25 cent pieces?'"
Barber Elton Lopez, who has been plying his trade for decades near the corner of Queen and Nelson streets, used to reside upstairs the New Steam Laundry on Nelson Street over ten years ago before he moved to Laventille.
Saying he didn't mix with people in the area, he said he could count the number of clients he had from Nelson Street on his two hands.
Lopez said his only experience with crime was when he was cutting a client's hair and an assailant approached the man in the barber's chair and yanked his gold chain from around his neck.
"But that is the only thing I ever experience around here and it ended up that fella was not even from Nelson Street," he said.
Fifty-three-year-old Gary Francis, who lives in the housing development opposite Faure Street and who has been living on Nelson Street since he was three years old, said what the Government was doing was working.
"To an extent what they doing is a nice thing," he said. " Because now people are walking outdoors and feel a bit more free about their surroundings although people still stay away from up there (upper Nelson Street)."
He said the only problem he and his friends (a group of seven of his contemporaries sitting down and drinking on Faure Street corner) had was liming.
Francis said he wanted the curfew to apply to people 30 years and younger because he found it too restrictive for more mature people who were not involved in crime.
Henry Kwame, 60, who has lived on Nelson Street all his life, said the curfew and State of Emergency have dramatically slowed down the robberies and assaults in the area.
"Whatever the curfew and SoE has done, I feel pleased about because before I wasn't walking places because of what was going on. A lot of things was happening and now it kind of cool down. Recently we saw a fist fight when normally those fellas would use a gun," he said.
Kwame said the showing of the CCTV coverage had also helped to deter some of the troublemakers in the area because they now realise they would be caught.
"I never used to think it was working before I saw it on news but now them fellas are afraid. They cannot try holding up and robbing people again cause this time they will be in trouble. I didn't believe it was working but what I seeing for myself it working good," he said.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Nelson_Street_residents_speak_out-130046633.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Nelson_Street_residents_speak_out-130046633.html)
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$50 million mystery
By Azad Ali
Yet another businessman disowns drugs found in his container
THE Central businessman in whose container the $34 million marijuana shipment was found is said to be denying responsibility for the illegal drugs. Customs officials are despairing that they will not be able to find the owner behind yet another major shipment.
The drugs were found in a shipment of frozen meat which came from Atlanta, USA via Jamaica consigned to Vasha Foods of Freeport, Central Trinidad. A source said the 40-foot container arrived from Atlanta two days ago at the Point Lisas Port in Savonetta.
The container spent five days in Jamaica before being shipped to Trinidad. Officers from the Criminal Intelligence Unit were carrying out surveillance at the port since Sunday.
Efforts to reach Vasha Foods owner Dolcharan Sirju were unsuccessful. The company manufactures chicken and beef patties.
After the seizure of more than $50 million in marijuana at the Point Lisas Port for the year thus far, police and customs officials are still none the wiser as to who is behind the large drug shipments as all the businessmen to whom the containers have been consigned have denied any knowledge of the shipments.
And Customs and law enforcement officials are yet to find any information linking anyone to the drug busts. Thursday’s multi-million-dollar marijuana bust is the third at Point Lisas Port so far for this year.
Officers of the Criminal Intelligence Unit, headed by Senior Superintendent John Martinez and the Organised Crime, Narcotic and Firearms Bureau (OCNFB) and Customs found the high-grade “weed” concealed in 38 crocus bags weighing 921 kilos marked “police”, among the frozen meat.
Sources say that the bags of marijuana, estimated to have a street value of $34 million, were found packed in the front and the middle of the container.
Just recently chairman of the Seamen and Waterfront Workers Union (SWWTU), Michael Anisette, revealed that there were 13 containers of illegal drugs at the Point Lisas Port.
He said that some port workers were offered bribes to clear the containers. The former independent senator was at the time making a call for the police to go after the financiers of the illegal drug trade.
In March this year police and Customs officers found $18 million worth of marijuana hidden in a container intransit from Jamaica at the Point Lisas Port.
And in April a container consigned to Achievor Enterprises Ltd. of San Fernando was found to contain more than $2 million worth of marijuana hidden among foreign-used car parts at Point Lisas. The bust was made when the container was opened by Customs for examination. Managing director of the company, Jim Murad Mohammed, said he was baffled over the discovery and denied any knowledge of the origin of the drugs.
He said the container had a legitimate consignment of roll-on roll-off vehicles which were shipped from Japan via Jamaica. Mohammed was appointed by the People’s Partnership Government as chairman of MTS (National Maintenance Training and Security Company Limited).
Customs officials explained that businessmen’s shipments are being compromised by a well-organised Jamaican drug ring that used their containers to smuggle illegal drugs in and out of the country.
Reports are that when the drugs arrive here they are transshipped to other Caribbean countries and the balance heads for Canadian and European markets.
Customs have not been able to make a breakthrough in any of the major drug hauls at both ports.
Comptroller of Customs Fitzroy John said in April that investigations are ongoing but will take some time because transnational crime is a long probe.
And on Tuesday two women who arrived from New York with a three-hour stopover in Jamaica made a startling discovery of more than $50,000 worth of compressed marijuana in a pouch in one of their suitcases when they arrived home. The suitcase was reportedly unlocked. The passengers had passed through the Customs green line.
A man posing as an airport security guard at Piarco International Airport attempted to collect the luggage from the women when they exited the airport. The women became suspicious and left for their home in Friendship Village, St Madeline where they made the discovery.
http://www.tntmirror.com/2011/09/18/50-million-mystery (http://www.tntmirror.com/2011/09/18/50-million-mystery)
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Nobody knows! Right!!!!!
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Is just a hard luck. What an unfortunate coincidence that so many people that were placed in high positions by this government getting their good name tarnished by all this nonsense originating from Jamaica.
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Is just a hard luck. What an unfortunate coincidence that so many people that were placed in high positions by this government getting their good name tarnished by all this nonsense originating from Jamaica.
I fed of them blasted Jamaicans !
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So wait, if I park my car in a parking lot and then police search the car and find illegal guns and drugs I can just tell them that is not mines?
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The thing is the Police will have to prove without a shadow of doubt the business responsible, that is where it gets tricky. I say block certain imports from Jamaica and tell them clean up they act
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So wait, if I park my car in a parking lot and then police search the car and find illegal guns and drugs I can just tell them that is not mines?
If customs find drugs in your suitcase you could also claim ignorance.
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Is just a hard luck. What an unfortunate coincidence that so many people that were placed in high positions by this government getting their good name tarnished by all this nonsense originating from Jamaica.
I fed of them blasted Jamaicans !
Blasted ridiculous eh!
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/_55_000_in_ganja_found_in_suitcase-129931123.html
Look a next story where people coulda get tie up bad bad bad.
TWO SISTERS travelling from Jamaica en route from New York to Trinidad found $55,000 worth of marijuana in their luggage on Tuesday, police said yesterday.
The women discovered two kilogrammes of the illegal narcotics when they arrived at their home at Friendship Village, Ste Madeleine.
The marijuana was found wrapped in a yellow and green pouch.
The women, aged 30 and 32, told police that a man whom they did not know touched one of their bags at Piarco airport.
Police were told that around 6.50 am the sisters boarded a Caribbean Airlines aircraft from JFK airport, New York, headed to Trinidad. The airplane stopped over at Jamaica for three hours before arriving at Piarco around 4.30 pm.
The women told police that while awaiting transportation at the airport, a man, whom they did not know, touched one of her bags and told her that she had an illegal substance in the bag and that she needed to go with him because he was the security personnel for the bag. The sisters became suspicious and man who spoke to them left, police were told.
The women went to their home and while unpacking found the pouch with the narcotics.
Officers at the Ste Madeleine were contacted and statements recorded from the sisters. —SM
The thing is the Police will have to prove without a shadow of doubt the business responsible, that is where it gets tricky. I say block certain imports from Jamaica and tell them clean up they act
In mad man rant it had a line..."Somebody clean up the weed REAL fass...buh somebody letting de cocaine pass".
Real slackness hadda be happening all round. Of COURSE it easy for the business man to say he eh know nuttin bout dat. But somebody hadda know they could put it in a particular container and who going and deal with it. So lets see shall we? Is just unfortunate that the good people chosen by the government to lead out in major roles have to get their names tarnished by this folly.
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So if dey finding all this weed and drugs in containers, why they can't simply let the owners clear the goods and then do surveillance to see exactly where the stuff is going and who is the owner?..... :thinking:
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So if dey finding all this weed and drugs in containers, why they can't simply let the owners clear the goods and then do surveillance to see exactly where the stuff is going and who is the owner?..... :thinking:
Cuz thats when you actually want to do something as compared to making people feel something is being done. In any case doh feel that people that in positions of power in the ports doh know what happening and for something like that to done they may very well have to be in the loop.
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So if dey finding all this weed and drugs in containers, why they can't simply let the owners clear the goods and then do surveillance to see exactly where the stuff is going and who is the owner?..... :thinking:
they will have to know before hand what container it is, more than likely get somebody to infiltrate the drug ring. Them customs people corrupt if they only see something look off they will tip off the rest. It possible to do it, but it will have to be carefully thought out
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So wait, if I park my car in a parking lot and then police search the car and find illegal guns and drugs I can just tell them that is not mines?
If customs find drugs in your suitcase you could also claim ignorance.
I don't think so yuh know. They does make sure and ask you if YOU pack your suitcase, if anyone gave you anything, so as to minimize or eradicate that ignorance part.
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So wait, if I park my car in a parking lot and then police search the car and find illegal guns and drugs I can just tell them that is not mines?
If customs find drugs in your suitcase you could also claim ignorance.
I don't think so yuh know. They does make sure and ask you if YOU pack your suitcase, if anyone gave you anything, so as to minimize or eradicate that ignorance part.
sarcasm
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So wait, if I park my car in a parking lot and then police search the car and find illegal guns and drugs I can just tell them that is not mines?
If customs find drugs in your suitcase you could also claim ignorance.
I don't think so yuh know. They does make sure and ask you if YOU pack your suitcase, if anyone gave you anything, so as to minimize or eradicate that ignorance part.
sarcasm
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Is just a hard luck. What an unfortunate coincidence that so many people that were placed in high positions by this government getting their good name tarnished by all this nonsense originating from Jamaica.
What's most infuriating to me is the Keystone Cops manner in which these "raids" being conducted. Why are you 'raiding' when you have a tip off and the containers are under surveillance? As somebody say, why not wait until they come to claim/clear the container? I have a real hard time believing that is "compromise" these supposedly legitimate shipments keep getting compromised. If not the businessmen who involved then clearly is port workers.... keep allyuh surveillance team hidden and ketch dem red-handed. But nah, open up de container and call cameras and make ah scene, then express puzzlement and disappointment that yuh not ketching de criminals involved.
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All you have to do is place gps trackers inside the packs and maybe an expolsive dye canister. When drugs are collected, the GPS takes you to the house and you swoop. If they open the packages to check them, the indelible dye explodes in your face and thats you locked up.
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So let me get this right. Nobody's going to be charged ?
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Gps tracking simple if you know before hand which container it is. Randomly searching like what was done will not work because it alerts d dealers.
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em dem wasn't suppose to bring ah X-ray scanner or some shit like dat a while back
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ent annisette confirmed that port workers does take bribes to do the dirty work? y he doh sell out the workers?
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em dem wasn't suppose to bring ah X-ray scanner or some shit like dat a while back
since the year 2000 we trying to get the govt to invest in a scanner for the port but we only get run around. And is not xrays, we was using radiation much safer to humans that that. would cost them real cheap, cause they needed no special building materials to protect against the rays.
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ent annisette confirmed that port workers does take bribes to do the dirty work? y he doh sell out the workers?
He said dey does offer d wkers money he neva say dey does take it.
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em dem wasn't suppose to bring ah X-ray scanner or some shit like dat a while back
since the year 2000 we trying to get the govt to invest in a scanner for the port but we only get run around. And is not xrays, we was using radiation much safer to humans that that. would cost them real cheap, cause they needed no special building materials to protect against the rays.
Buh I hear a talk that bout 3 years ago....3 of those scanners get purchased? I eh sure how true.
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Gps tracking simple if you know before hand which container it is. Randomly searching like what was done will not work because it alerts d dealers.
steups dem jokey... i have a friend in de drugs division in RCMP. Dem will come and block off the area with fire truck and all kinda ting and say how it have a gas leak. clear out de port and come and search.. see what it have and den ride out normal normal... gas leak contained...
dealers not alerted... when dey come to pick up dey sh!t... dey arse dark... lock up!
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em dem wasn't suppose to bring ah X-ray scanner or some shit like dat a while back
since the year 2000 we trying to get the govt to invest in a scanner for the port but we only get run around. And is not xrays, we was using radiation much safer to humans that that. would cost them real cheap, cause they needed no special building materials to protect against the rays.
Buh I hear a talk that bout 3 years ago....3 of those scanners get purchased? I eh sure how true.
when dem ting happenin yuh doesn't get d impression dat TT gov'ts or elements within dem does be facilitating the smugglers, because is always someting dey would get real cheap, if is not a piece ah tech is recommendations dat does get ignored for no good reason, jus look at how long dey take to actually run een d port an when dey reach, all d "business man" have to say is "wasn't me" and dais d end ah dat...............steups, while d ress ah we have to take we boots and lock-up and humble we self (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBl6RxFzZXQ) >:( >:( >:( :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :( :(
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Police discover gun factory in Princes Town
Monday 19th September, 2011
Chaguanas CID and Task Force officers have uncovered an illegal gun manufacturing operation.
C News understands that a party of officers led by Inspector Wayne Lawrence went to a house at Cemetery Street in Princes Town around 1pm on Sunday where they found the operation in progress.
Several gun parts, which were already made, were seized together with a fully assembled shotgun and three rounds of 12 gauge cartridges.
A trap gun was also seized.
Police said there were sufficient parts to assemble three more firearms.
A 38 year old man was arrested at the house. He told investigators that he has been making guns for the last eight years, which he sold, to hunters in the area.
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=31974&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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Police discover gun factory in Princes Town
Monday 19th September, 2011
Chaguanas CID and Task Force officers have uncovered an illegal gun manufacturing operation.
C News understands that a party of officers led by Inspector Wayne Lawrence went to a house at Cemetery Street in Princes Town around 1pm on Sunday where they found the operation in progress.
Several gun parts, which were already made, were seized together with a fully assembled shotgun and three rounds of 12 gauge cartridges.
A trap gun was also seized.
Police said there were sufficient parts to assemble three more firearms.
A 38 year old man was arrested at the house. He told investigators that he has been making guns for the last eight years, which he sold, to hunters in the area.
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=31974&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
we have talented ppl here boy
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Police discover gun factory in Princes Town
Monday 19th September, 2011
Chaguanas CID and Task Force officers have uncovered an illegal gun manufacturing operation.
C News understands that a party of officers led by Inspector Wayne Lawrence went to a house at Cemetery Street in Princes Town around 1pm on Sunday where they found the operation in progress.
Several gun parts, which were already made, were seized together with a fully assembled shotgun and three rounds of 12 gauge cartridges.
A trap gun was also seized.
Police said there were sufficient parts to assemble three more firearms.
A 38 year old man was arrested at the house. He told investigators that he has been making guns for the last eight years, which he sold, to hunters in the area.
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=31974&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
we have talented ppl here boy
3 guns = ah gun factory. Daiz ah rel joke.
Them gun not to hard to make.
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Police discover gun factory in Princes Town
Monday 19th September, 2011
Chaguanas CID and Task Force officers have uncovered an illegal gun manufacturing operation.
C News understands that a party of officers led by Inspector Wayne Lawrence went to a house at Cemetery Street in Princes Town around 1pm on Sunday where they found the operation in progress.
Several gun parts, which were already made, were seized together with a fully assembled shotgun and three rounds of 12 gauge cartridges.
A trap gun was also seized.
Police said there were sufficient parts to assemble three more firearms.
A 38 year old man was arrested at the house. He told investigators that he has been making guns for the last eight years, which he sold, to hunters in the area.
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=31974&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
we have talented ppl here boy
3 guns = ah gun factory. Daiz ah rel joke.
Them gun not to hard to make.
All dem machine room in dem school it is aledge dat they does make dem.
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Police discover gun factory in Princes Town
Monday 19th September, 2011
Chaguanas CID and Task Force officers have uncovered an illegal gun manufacturing operation.
C News understands that a party of officers led by Inspector Wayne Lawrence went to a house at Cemetery Street in Princes Town around 1pm on Sunday where they found the operation in progress.
Several gun parts, which were already made, were seized together with a fully assembled shotgun and three rounds of 12 gauge cartridges.
A trap gun was also seized.
Police said there were sufficient parts to assemble three more firearms.
A 38 year old man was arrested at the house. He told investigators that he has been making guns for the last eight years, which he sold, to hunters in the area.
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=31974&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
we have talented ppl here boy
3 guns = ah gun factory. Daiz ah rel joke.
Them gun not to hard to make.
He making gun for 8 years , doesn't matter how much they find on him at the time. Daiz thief head he making hunting gun. I see some shotgun in that batch , unless is the human kind of animals they hunting
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Police discover gun factory in Princes Town
Monday 19th September, 2011
Chaguanas CID and Task Force officers have uncovered an illegal gun manufacturing operation.
C News understands that a party of officers led by Inspector Wayne Lawrence went to a house at Cemetery Street in Princes Town around 1pm on Sunday where they found the operation in progress.
Several gun parts, which were already made, were seized together with a fully assembled shotgun and three rounds of 12 gauge cartridges.
A trap gun was also seized.
Police said there were sufficient parts to assemble three more firearms.
A 38 year old man was arrested at the house. He told investigators that he has been making guns for the last eight years, which he sold, to hunters in the area.
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=31974&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
we have talented ppl here boy
3 guns = ah gun factory. Daiz ah rel joke.
Them gun not to hard to make.
He making gun for 8 years , doesn't matter how much they find on him at the time. Daiz thief head he making hunting gun. I see some shotgun in that batch , unless is the human kind of animals they hunting
Is shot gun yuh does make to hunt with. Most likely is 12 guage shot gun he was making.
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Is shot gun yuh does make to hunt with. Most likely is 12 guage shot gun he was making.
Elan like yuh know the thing self, yuh make a few before a what? :devil:
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What's most infuriating to me is the Keystone Cops manner in which these "raids" being conducted. Why are you 'raiding' when you have a tip off and the containers are under surveillance? As somebody say, why not wait until they come to claim/clear the container? I have a real hard time believing that is "compromise" these supposedly legitimate shipments keep getting compromised. If not the businessmen who involved then clearly is port workers.... keep allyuh surveillance team hidden and ketch dem red-handed. But nah, open up de container and call cameras and make ah scene, then express puzzlement and disappointment that yuh not ketching de criminals involved.
The policy seems to be casual abrogation of judicial component of the system by police. Basically it looks like they are deliberately letting these criminals off the hook by firing warning shots.
Because not even Trinidad police stupid enough to screw up a case like this.
I would guess some people were even warned in advance of what was coming
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hhhhhhhhhhmmmmmm......dem unions cyar make a note.......dey trying all kinda thing to continue their movement but it eh wukking :thinking: :thinking:
Ah have a theory but it so crazy it cyar work.......
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The young fella from the Beetham who plays with W Connection and as locked up when the SOE started, is still behind bars. Interestingly, he used to play for Police as well before joining Connection. Sometime ago when the Beetham was locked down he was picked up in a similar manner. When the Police found out he represents them on the de field they surprised.
Also, he has been using football as a way to stay out of trouble and lucky for him the club is keeping his wages for him and will be paid on release......others aren't as lucky.
But say wha, we in a crisis that was averted but still needs 3 monts to avert and ah guess dis comes with the territory............ssssstttteeeeuuuuppppsssss!!! Jokey 2 x 4 country with jokey 2 x 4 leaders!!
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The young fella from the Beetham who plays with W Connection and as locked up when the SOE started, is still behind bars. Interestingly, he used to play for Police as well before joining Connection. Sometime ago when the Beetham was locked down he was picked up in a similar manner. When the Police found out he represents them on the de field they surprised.
Also, he has been using football as a way to stay out of trouble and lucky for him the club is keeping his wages for him and will be paid on release......others aren't as lucky.
But say wha, we in a crisis that was averted but still needs 3 monts to avert and ah guess dis comes with the territory............ssssstttteeeeuuuuppppsssss!!! Jokey 2 x 4 country with jokey 2 x 4 leaders!!
We only know about this because he has a story- Played professioal football for W Connection and Police. What if you don't have any accodales at all but you happen to like 3/4 pants and netted vest and live in the Betham.
I don't decry the practicing of profiling altogether as it has its uses. Holding someone indefinitely with no evidence because he matchs a profile is the height of injustice.
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The young fella from the Beetham who plays with W Connection and as locked up when the SOE started, is still behind bars. Interestingly, he used to play for Police as well before joining Connection. Sometime ago when the Beetham was locked down he was picked up in a similar manner. When the Police found out he represents them on the de field they surprised.
Also, he has been using football as a way to stay out of trouble and lucky for him the club is keeping his wages for him and will be paid on release......others aren't as lucky.
But say wha, we in a crisis that was averted but still needs 3 monts to avert and ah guess dis comes with the territory............ssssstttteeeeuuuuppppsssss!!! Jokey 2 x 4 country with jokey 2 x 4 leaders!!
We only know about this because he has a story- Played professioal football for W Connection and Police. What if you don't have any accodales at all but you happen to like 3/4 pants and netted vest and live in the Betham.
I don't decry the practicing of profiling altogether as it has its uses. Holding someone indefinitely with no evidence because he matchs a profile is the height of injustice.
Do you all know that there is no evidence and he was held simply because he matches a profile?
What does the fact that he is a footballer have to do with anything?
I may have missed something, if there is more to it please share.
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Them guntas better had and start dressing de part. :devil:
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The young fella from the Beetham who plays with W Connection and as locked up when the SOE started, is still behind bars. Interestingly, he used to play for Police as well before joining Connection. Sometime ago when the Beetham was locked down he was picked up in a similar manner. When the Police found out he represents them on the de field they surprised.
Also, he has been using football as a way to stay out of trouble and lucky for him the club is keeping his wages for him and will be paid on release......others aren't as lucky.
But say wha, we in a crisis that was averted but still needs 3 monts to avert and ah guess dis comes with the territory............ssssstttteeeeuuuuppppsssss!!! Jokey 2 x 4 country with jokey 2 x 4 leaders!!
We only know about this because he has a story- Played professioal football for W Connection and Police. What if you don't have any accodales at all but you happen to like 3/4 pants and netted vest and live in the Betham.
I don't decry the practice of profiling altogether as it has its uses. Holding someone indefinitely with no evidence because he matches a profile is the height of injustice.
Do you all know that there is no evidence and he was held simply because he matches a profile?
What does the fact that he is a footballer have to do with anything?
I may have missed something, if there is more to it please share.
He was arrested on the anti gang legistlation. If you read the law you will see that you can be held for months simply on the opinion of the Police without any substantial evidence.
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The young fella from the Beetham who plays with W Connection and as locked up when the SOE started, is still behind bars. Interestingly, he used to play for Police as well before joining Connection. Sometime ago when the Beetham was locked down he was picked up in a similar manner. When the Police found out he represents them on the de field they surprised.
Also, he has been using football as a way to stay out of trouble and lucky for him the club is keeping his wages for him and will be paid on release......others aren't as lucky.
But say wha, we in a crisis that was averted but still needs 3 monts to avert and ah guess dis comes with the territory............ssssstttteeeeuuuuppppsssss!!! Jokey 2 x 4 country with jokey 2 x 4 leaders!!
We only know about this because he has a story- Played professioal football for W Connection and Police. What if you don't have any accodales at all but you happen to like 3/4 pants and netted vest and live in the Betham.
I don't decry the practicing of profiling altogether as it has its uses. Holding someone indefinitely with no evidence because he matchs a profile is the height of injustice.
Do you all know that there is no evidence and he was held simply because he matches a profile?
What does the fact that he is a footballer have to do with anything?
I may have missed something, if there is more to it please share.
He was arrested on the anti gang legistlation. If you read the law you will see that you can be held for months simply on the opinion of the Police without any substantial evidence.
Doh worry all dem SC on d payroll of d police now d proper charge go b laid. He go need dem WC wages 2 pay a good lawyer.
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The young fella from the Beetham who plays with W Connection and as locked up when the SOE started, is still behind bars. Interestingly, he used to play for Police as well before joining Connection. Sometime ago when the Beetham was locked down he was picked up in a similar manner. When the Police found out he represents them on the de field they surprised.
Also, he has been using football as a way to stay out of trouble and lucky for him the club is keeping his wages for him and will be paid on release......others aren't as lucky.
But say wha, we in a crisis that was averted but still needs 3 monts to avert and ah guess dis comes with the territory............ssssstttteeeeuuuuppppsssss!!! Jokey 2 x 4 country with jokey 2 x 4 leaders!!
like u was talkingv to sherma dey gyul? :)
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The young fella from the Beetham who plays with W Connection and as locked up when the SOE started, is still behind bars. Interestingly, he used to play for Police as well before joining Connection. Sometime ago when the Beetham was locked down he was picked up in a similar manner. When the Police found out he represents them on the de field they surprised.
Also, he has been using football as a way to stay out of trouble and lucky for him the club is keeping his wages for him and will be paid on release......others aren't as lucky.
But say wha, we in a crisis that was averted but still needs 3 monts to avert and ah guess dis comes with the territory............ssssstttteeeeuuuuppppsssss!!! Jokey 2 x 4 country with jokey 2 x 4 leaders!!
We only know about this because he has a story- Played professioal football for W Connection and Police. What if you don't have any accodales at all but you happen to like 3/4 pants and netted vest and live in the Betham.
I don't decry the practicing of profiling altogether as it has its uses. Holding someone indefinitely with no evidence because he matchs a profile is the height of injustice.
Do you all know that there is no evidence and he was held simply because he matches a profile?
What does the fact that he is a footballer have to do with anything?
I may have missed something, if there is more to it please share.
Dinho, the person who shared the story earlier today on Power 102fm was Shirma Wilson. She is by and large considered a voice for the people on the Beetham. She was off the air for two weeks after an apparent attempt to quiet herself and Marcia, but that's another kettle of fish.
She came back on the air today and proceeded to tell the story. As far as Shirma knows, this guy is not involved in anything nefarious or illegal. His parents died while he was young and grew up with his grandmother who has since passed. So its just him and his siblings trying to keep their head above water. He is using football to keep out of trouble.
According to Shirma, he was held purely because he living in the Beetham. As I posted before, its not the first time he was held and had to be let go. And he is not the only one she talked about. She mentioned another guy who does really good tile work and he too was held simply because he from the Beetham. These are just two examples of people who were apparently picked up in the early days of the SOE and is still being held
Now Shirma eh present any evidence to show the fella should be set free, but neither has the police. They didn't have any evidence last time they held him and dey apparently eh have none this time. She is hoping that the same spirit this guy (the footballer) had to keep himself out of trouble will continue after his release.....her fear is that these fellas who are being held for no apparent reason don't get frustrated to the point where we'll need a next SOE to solve a REAL crisis down the road....
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brown - again, remember the anti-gang law is that u could hold someone for a long time without formally charging them. Hence no evidence may be forthcoming now.
At the end of the day, it dont matter if is Norway or Nicaragua, any SOE will have problems because of the potential abuse of power.
Whether is UNC of PNM or NJAC, there will be stories of young black men being rounded up unfairly, because the truth of the matter that most of the people involved in nefarious activities in Trinidad are young black males who live in these communities.
I am 100% sure that there are innocent people locked up as we speak, but I am also 100% sure that the majority of people being held are involved in criminality.
The key is to mitigate against the innocents. Stuff like this aint clear cut and precise, there is no book on how to do this correctly. Thats why you need presidential approval to institute this, and special majority to keep it going.
The real tragedy is the fact that we have to resort to this state of affairs....
Its like the terrorists - because of what they did on 9-11, every one of us feel it now when we want to travel internationally. Because of this, it now harder for me to carry pastelles back to the US when I visit Trinidad, and it harder for potential students to get an F1 Visa. The real tragedy lies in what the terrorists did, not the US Dept of HS....
Lets not forget that.
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You know whats funny...all these threats that going on since the SOE started...oh what go happen...yuh frustrating all these fellas...when they come out they will do something etc. etc.
You know what...if they come out and do something....
They will be shot and killed...blown away by the police and army or arrested for "doing something"
Let them try, if there is another coup it won't end up the same way with Abu Bakr...there will be no winners.
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Plain Talk :beermug: You know how much innocent people get kill and robbed by bandits. This is what we want.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqowmHgxVJQ
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You know whats funny...all these threats that going on since the SOE started...oh what go happen...yuh frustrating all these fellas...when they come out they will do something etc. etc.
You know what...if they come out and do something....
They will be shot and killed...blown away by the police and army or arrested for "doing something"
Let them try, if there is another coup it won't end up the same way with Abu Bakr...there will be no winners.
your right
any attempted coup will be met with excessive force, unlike the previous coup, the chief instigators will not walk out of it alive
different set of people the criminals are dealing with
all the threats ain't going nowhere, let the criminals try their hand, they will be surprised at the end result if they around to see it
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The young fella from the Beetham who plays with W Connection and as locked up when the SOE started, is still behind bars. Interestingly, he used to play for Police as well before joining Connection. Sometime ago when the Beetham was locked down he was picked up in a similar manner. When the Police found out he represents them on the de field they surprised.
Also, he has been using football as a way to stay out of trouble and lucky for him the club is keeping his wages for him and will be paid on release......others aren't as lucky.
But say wha, we in a crisis that was averted but still needs 3 monts to avert and ah guess dis comes with the territory............ssssstttteeeeuuuuppppsssss!!! Jokey 2 x 4 country with jokey 2 x 4 leaders!!
We only know about this because he has a story- Played professioal football for W Connection and Police. What if you don't have any accodales at all but you happen to like 3/4 pants and netted vest and live in the Betham.
I don't decry the practicing of profiling altogether as it has its uses. Holding someone indefinitely with no evidence because he matchs a profile is the height of injustice.
Do you all know that there is no evidence and he was held simply because he matches a profile?
What does the fact that he is a footballer have to do with anything?
I may have missed something, if there is more to it please share.
Dinho, the person who shared the story earlier today on Power 102fm was Shirma Wilson. She is by and large considered a voice for the people on the Beetham. She was off the air for two weeks after an apparent attempt to quiet herself and Marcia, but that's another kettle of fish.
She came back on the air today and proceeded to tell the story. As far as Shirma knows, this guy is not involved in anything nefarious or illegal. His parents died while he was young and grew up with his grandmother who has since passed. So its just him and his siblings trying to keep their head above water. He is using football to keep out of trouble.
According to Shirma, he was held purely because he living in the Beetham. As I posted before, its not the first time he was held and had to be let go. And he is not the only one she talked about. She mentioned another guy who does really good tile work and he too was held simply because he from the Beetham. These are just two examples of people who were apparently picked up in the early days of the SOE and is still being held
Now Shirma eh present any evidence to show the fella should be set free, but neither has the police. They didn't have any evidence last time they held him and dey apparently eh have none this time. She is hoping that the same spirit this guy (the footballer) had to keep himself out of trouble will continue after his release.....her fear is that these fellas who are being held for no apparent reason don't get frustrated to the point where we'll need a next SOE to solve a REAL crisis down the road....
there will always be issues with a SOE, but it is serving a greater purpose, innocent people can walk out of their homes and feel a little safer because of it.
it had an individual in the local media speaking of a bar close to him, where he would never see any ladies liming because of the crime, the last 2 weeks, more women have been liming and socializing , it may be a joke to some, but it is an indicator that women are feeling safer to venture out, this being one example
all the badjohn talk people coming with on this board, 95% of them don't live in the most dangerous areas of trinidad.
my family has lived behind the bridge, EDR, piccadilly street, a stone's throw from besson st police station, across the street from nelson, duncan and prince street, in the middle of it for decades upon decades and we know the situation, despite the fact we have felt at home there, 95% of the nation are not used to that level of violence, it has now spread throughout the nation and it needs to be addressed, this may be the start that is needed.
so when people bash the government about the SOE, i understand its not perfect but it is about time we start to address the crime situation, because a lot of people just talk and never state what area they hail from, because they really and truly don't know the state of the nation.
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He shoulda never leave police and join connection!!!
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hhhhhhhhhhmmmmmm......dem unions cyar make a note.......dey trying all kinda thing to continue their movement but it eh wukking :thinking: :thinking:
Ah have a theory but it so crazy it cyar work.......
Yep. They only had testicles when Patos was around.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/Vh-K5kpPd74
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http://www.youtube.com/v/Vh-K5kpPd74
after bake and shark hear the song, he will no longer be a crazy fan
add weary, brownsugar, bitter and a whole host of others to that list as well :D
oh yea and socapro 8)
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Nah Nah!!! Simple minded Crazy!!! smh I tired of all this propaganda. :devil:
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http://www.youtube.com/v/Vh-K5kpPd74
Hmmm, someone else on the govt payroll? I still trying to figure how calling an SOE is a sign of good, strong governance. Its like saying you're a hero if you're driving drunk, crash into an innocent motorist and call an ambulance. Any prime minister, past or present, can call an SOE. Smart governance would mean you don't need to resort to this situation.
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So I have one simple question to ask....after the SOE how do they plan to stop crime?
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So I have one simple question to ask....after the SOE how do they plan to stop crime?
Haven't you heard? After the SOE, Kamla is going to make all crime ILLEGAL :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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after bake and shark hear the song, he will no longer be a crazy fan
add weary, brownsugar, bitter and a whole host of others to that list as well :D
oh yea and socapro 8)
Crazy is family... why would I stop being a fan? Because he sing ah shit song and make yuh wood get hard?
Hmmm, someone else on the govt payroll? I still trying to figure how calling an SOE is a sign of good, strong governance. Its like saying you're a hero if you're driving drunk, crash into an innocent motorist and call an ambulance. Any prime minister, past or present, can call an SOE. Smart governance would mean you don't need to resort to this situation.
I am astounded by the 180... :D
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:rotfl: This site to sweat yes.
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after bake and shark hear the song, he will no longer be a crazy fan
add weary, brownsugar, bitter and a whole host of others to that list as well :D
oh yea and socapro 8)
Crazy is family... why would I stop being a fan? Because he sing ah shit song and make yuh wood get hard?
Hmmm, someone else on the govt payroll? I still trying to figure how calling an SOE is a sign of good, strong governance. Its like saying you're a hero if you're driving drunk, crash into an innocent motorist and call an ambulance. Any prime minister, past or present, can call an SOE. Smart governance would mean you don't need to resort to this situation.
I am astounded by the 180... :D
Hmmm, now you got me thinking.....did I ever say the SOE was a great political decision? I believe I felt a short term SOE may help curb crime if it was targeted correctly and had a well considered end game, but I'm sure I alsways stated that it was knee jerk and the sign of a desperate govt out of ideas???
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Hmmm, now you got me thinking.....did I ever say the SOE was a great political decision? I believe I felt a short term SOE may help curb crime if it was targeted correctly and had a well considered end game, but I'm sure I alsways stated that it was knee jerk and the sign of a desperate govt out of ideas???
I just remember you supporting it at first... with yuh ends justifies the means talk. Could be that I misread the extent to which yuh supported it.
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Plain Talk :beermug: You know how much innocent people get kill and robbed by bandits. This is what we want.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqowmHgxVJQ
No matter what the extent of the crime situation, justice "MUST" prevail! like the old ppl used to say, "two wrongs doh make ah right".
if the law enforcement agencies of the land is allowed to violate ppl's civil rights in order to achieve an equalizer, then the system has failed the country and the masses in the most despicable way!
this is not street justice my friend, rather it's ah sovereign society we talkin bout. they must follow the letter of the law, or else they will be no better than the civilian violators.
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hhhhhhhhhhmmmmmm......dem unions cyar make a note.......dey trying all kinda thing to continue their movement but it eh wukking :thinking: :thinking:
Ah have a theory but it so crazy it cyar work.......
Yep. They only had testicles when Patos was around.
Oh right.....and calling a SOE to shut them up is a sign of uuuuuummmm.......a really big.........uuuuuummm......saltfish??
But this is only a theory eh.....and it real crazy and out there.....so doh pay much attention to it.....
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after bake and shark hear the song, he will no longer be a crazy fan
add weary, brownsugar, bitter and a whole host of others to that list as well :D
oh yea and socapro 8)
Boss, I glad I on the opposite side to you on this issue......is a good place to be.....
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Hmmm, now you got me thinking.....did I ever say the SOE was a great political decision? I believe I felt a short term SOE may help curb crime if it was targeted correctly and had a well considered end game, but I'm sure I alsways stated that it was knee jerk and the sign of a desperate govt out of ideas???
I just remember you supporting it at first... with yuh ends justifies the means talk. Could be that I misread the extent to which yuh supported it.
Yeah Bakes, I too thought his initial response was kinda in favour of it but in subsequent posts it became clearer that FS didn't think it was that great an idea.......
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So I have one simple question to ask....after the SOE how do they plan to stop crime?
As long as they end it by Christmas or DEFINITELY before Carnival, I doh care.....they never had a plan before, dey doh have plan now and will not have a plan after.....so it making to difference to me. Kamla better doh eff up these two seasons with she shyte nah.....cuz ah goh have to burn some tires down by she office and make a 4 months behind bars......
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Hmmm, someone else on the govt payroll? I still trying to figure how calling an SOE is a sign of good, strong governance. Its like saying you're a hero if you're driving drunk, crash into an innocent motorist and call an ambulance. Any prime minister, past or present, can call an SOE. Smart governance would mean you don't need to resort to this situation.
Plain Talk :beermug: You know how much innocent people get kill and robbed by bandits. This is what we want.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqowmHgxVJQ
No matter what the extent of the crime situation, justice "MUST" prevail! like the old ppl used to say, "two wrongs doh make ah right".
if the law enforcement agencies of the land is allowed to violate ppl's civil rights in order to achieve an equalizer, then the system has failed the country and the masses in the most despicable way!
this is not street justice my friend, rather it's ah sovereign society we talkin bout. they must follow the letter of the law, or else they will be no better than the civilian violators.
Fellas, :applause: :applause:
Good know it still have some thinking people around these here parts.....JC boy, I could not have said it better....
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Hmmm, now you got me thinking.....did I ever say the SOE was a great political decision? I believe I felt a short term SOE may help curb crime if it was targeted correctly and had a well considered end game, but I'm sure I alsways stated that it was knee jerk and the sign of a desperate govt out of ideas???
I just remember you supporting it at first... with yuh ends justifies the means talk. Could be that I misread the extent to which yuh supported it.
Yeah Bakes, I too thought his initial response was kinda in favour of it but in subsequent posts it became clearer that FS didn't think it was that great an idea.......
Lore, I now hadda go check lol. This was my first post on the subject:
I gotta say, this is extreme. I mean, two weeks ago, England was literally on fire and for two nights, police had no control, but there was no state of emergency. SoE is the absoloute last resort. Ok, the drug bust is gonna cause some serious gang unrest, but why not just flood the areas with police and army? I know that the SoE gives additional powers, but I'm certain the problem is not the laws, its the people enforcing them. Gibbs has to to earn his money and come up with a plan. Putting a country on lockdown is not the soloution.
And this was my second:
I gotta say, this is extreme. I mean, two weeks ago, England was literally on fire and for two nights, police had no control, but there was no state of emergency. SoE is the absoloute last resort. Ok, the drug bust is gonna cause some serious gang unrest, but why not just flood the areas with police and army? I know that the SoE gives additional powers, but I'm certain the problem is not the laws, its the people enforcing them. Gibbs has to to earn his money and come up with a plan. Putting a country on lockdown is not the soloution.
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AHA....the infamous "Ends justify the means" debate!!
"Another thing that bother me was that today he said about 90% of people held were not charged under the emergency powers so do not have access to the tribunal. I not understanding where and how the distinction is made, and how that impacts on the rights of the people being held."
I'm not positive, but I believe the point of the SOE was to induct the army as police. The army are not necessarily au fait with police procedure, so people may claim wronful arrest. The SOE also allows them to search without a warrent and arrest without charge. Once arrested, most of these people will eventually be charged under the anti gang laws, but it was arresting them that proved the problem
The pnm have openly said that they would not have backed the anti gang laws if they realised they would be used in this way. However, I feel the end justifies the means.
No the point of the SoE is to suspend civil liberties and grant "emergency" powers not subject to due process limitations. As part of that they may grant powers of arrest to the army.
As for the ends justifying the means... always easy to say when it's not your ass in a bind. I'd like to see them round you up and have you sit in jail for four months without bail, without charge, and without trial... surrounded by some genuine criminals who then prey on you. After four months they release yuh normal normal like nothing happen, without compensation or apology. Let me hear you talk then about the ends justifying the means.
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Plain Talk :beermug: You know how much innocent people get kill and robbed by bandits. This is what we want.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqowmHgxVJQ
No matter what the extent of the crime situation, justice "MUST" prevail! like the old ppl used to say, "two wrongs doh make ah right".
if the law enforcement agencies of the land is allowed to violate ppl's civil rights in order to achieve an equalizer, then the system has failed the country and the masses in the most despicable way!
this is not street justice my friend, rather it's ah sovereign society we talkin bout. they must follow the letter of the law, or else they will be no better than the civilian violators.
"Justice?" Justice for who? The woman who get rape and robbed? The business owner? The mother who lost sons?
law enforcement agencies of the land is allowed to violate ppl's civil rights in order to achieve an equalizer, then the system has failed the country and the masses in the most despicable way!
I think your brush is to broad there JC and it's unfair to the boys in blue and Army. I do agree that the SOE is the sign of a failed system. Which system? All....Parenting, Education, Legislative, Judicial, and Government....They have all failed our communities. We have Failed each other.
There is a psychological mind set behind we Trinibagonians and leadership that I haven't been able to put my finger on or read any good materials on. I would like to hear a Historian take a stab. Maybe the answer is simpler, I don't know.
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http://www.tntmirror.com/2011/09/18/thanks-to-soe-no-parang-for-christmas
Thanks to SoE, no parang for Christmas
By Online Editor - September 18th 2011 12:13 AM
The latest group to be adversely affected by the State of Emergency is paranderos and they are taking a hard hit, much like fishermen and entertainers.
One well-known group is reported to have had four lucrative annual contracts cancelled.
Mirror learnt that the band leader, who recently purchased new equipment with the use of a bank loan, has indicated that, on approaching the bank for a deferment of payment, was not given a sympathetic ear.
According to the band leader, “Hotels are just calling and cancelling engagements.” Mirror also understands that one entertainer from East Trinidad was also turned down by the bank in a similar situation.
“The Government does not appreciate the hardships some law-abiding citizens are going through,” the band leader lamented. “In 1990 when this country experienced our last SoE, there was little or no night life, with one television station and a couple of radio stations. It was only the police and thief out at nights.”
He added, “We are in a different era now and people are suffering. Even the doubles vendors are feeling the pinch, with those who usually work late into the night now forced to compete with those who sell during the day.”
He feels strongly that those who are advocating the SOE for a further three months are not willing to compensate law-abiding citizens for loss of earnings and neither is the Government.
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Hmmm, someone else on the govt payroll? I still trying to figure how calling an SOE is a sign of good, strong governance. Its like saying you're a hero if you're driving drunk, crash into an innocent motorist and call an ambulance. Any prime minister, past or present, can call an SOE. Smart governance would mean you don't need to resort to this situation.
Plain Talk :beermug: You know how much innocent people get kill and robbed by bandits. This is what we want.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqowmHgxVJQ
No matter what the extent of the crime situation, justice "MUST" prevail! like the old ppl used to say, "two wrongs doh make ah right".
if the law enforcement agencies of the land is allowed to violate ppl's civil rights in order to achieve an equalizer, then the system has failed the country and the masses in the most despicable way!
this is not street justice my friend, rather it's ah sovereign society we talkin bout. they must follow the letter of the law, or else they will be no better than the civilian violators.
Fellas, :applause: :applause:
Good know it still have some thinking people around these here parts.....JC boy, I could not have said it better....
Thanx for the vote of confidence there brownin, sometimes it's nice to be acknowledged. ;D
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http://www.tntmirror.com/2011/09/18/thanks-to-soe-no-parang-for-christmas
Thanks to SoE, no parang for Christmas
By Online Editor - September 18th 2011 12:13 AM
The latest group to be adversely affected by the State of Emergency is paranderos and they are taking a hard hit, much like fishermen and entertainers.
One well-known group is reported to have had four lucrative annual contracts cancelled.
Mirror learnt that the band leader, who recently purchased new equipment with the use of a bank loan, has indicated that, on approaching the bank for a deferment of payment, was not given a sympathetic ear.
According to the band leader, “Hotels are just calling and cancelling engagements.” Mirror also understands that one entertainer from East Trinidad was also turned down by the bank in a similar situation.
“The Government does not appreciate the hardships some law-abiding citizens are going through,” the band leader lamented. “In 1990 when this country experienced our last SoE, there was little or no night life, with one television station and a couple of radio stations. It was only the police and thief out at nights.”
He added, “We are in a different era now and people are suffering. Even the doubles vendors are feeling the pinch, with those who usually work late into the night now forced to compete with those who sell during the day.”
He feels strongly that those who are advocating the SOE for a further three months are not willing to compensate law-abiding citizens for loss of earnings and neither is the Government.
Doh worry it still have hosay and phagwa dem will never be affected so people could still jump up
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There will be parang for Christmas. Those big fete probably would not take place. But the village parang will always be there.
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There will be parang for Christmas. Those big fete probably would not take place. But the village parang will always be there.
Parang groups need to make money to survive, that's the point and they would normally make their money at the bigger engagements! The house to house thing does not put money in their coffers.
Latest I hear is there will be not much wildmeat or wildmeat will be very expensive for the Christmas Parang season even if they were allowed to have the traditional wildmeat fetes!
Just saw on TV last night that they ceased a hunter's stock of frozen wildmeat under the SoE saying that he's not allowed to have such quantities stored in his premises outside of the wildmeat hunting season!
Plenty honest people are being squeezed from making a living under this SoE now even the Hunters and Paranderoes!
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There will be parang for Christmas. Those big fete probably would not take place. But the village parang will always be there.
Parang groups need to make money to survive, that's the point and they would normally make their money at the bigger engagements! The house to house thing does not put money in their coffers.
Latest I hear is there will be not much wildmeat or wildmeat will be very expensive for the Christmas Parang season even if they were allowed to have the traditional wildmeat fetes!
Just saw on TV last night that they ceased a hunter's stock of frozen wildmeat under the SoE saying that he's not allowed to have such quantities stored in his premises outside of the wildmeat hunting season!
Plenty honest people are being squeezed from making a living under this SoE now even the Hunters and Paranderoes!
Honest?!? Hoss that was wild meat leave back from last season he was looking to come back and sell that this year... That is against the law, and i doubt you would want to consume that knowing it was being stored for so long.
Have to admit, Parang was one of my biggest worries with this SoE business. I think the village competitions like Paramin, Maracas, Brazil and Lopinot will go on but will have to start from earlier in the day. Where the paranderos losing out is the corporate events and other festivals that normally take place around this time of the year that got cancelled. That have plenty money in it, them groups normally booked solid 3 and 4 gigs a night around this time of the year.
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There will be parang for Christmas. Those big fete probably would not take place. But the village parang will always be there.
Parang groups need to make money to survive, that's the point and they would normally make their money at the bigger engagements! The house to house thing does not put money in their coffers.
Latest I hear is there will be not much wildmeat or wildmeat will be very expensive for the Christmas Parang season even if they were allowed to have the traditional wildmeat fetes!
Just saw on TV last night that they ceased a hunter's stock of frozen wildmeat under the SoE saying that he's not allowed to have such quantities stored in his premises outside of the wildmeat hunting season!
Plenty honest people are being squeezed from making a living under this SoE now even the Hunters and Paranderoes!
The thing is, you can blame the SOE if you like, but the man was still acting illegally. Maybe you think this law is unfair, if so, write to the Minister responsible, but a law is the law. One of T&T's problems is that Trinis don't mind the "unimportant" laws and this eventually leads to disregard for all law. We need zero tolerance for a while to show people that laws will be enforced. Look at the seatbelt law, the cell phone law, the drink driving law. I would estimate that 75% of drivers on the road after midnite (back in the good ol' days before SOE) were over the limit, around 50% didn't wear seatbelts and many would be on the phone. Its no coincidence that there are so many road fatalities at night. As Warner pointed out, the police don't use seatbelts and the law applies to them too. In fact, I've seen armed police drinking at least 3 shots of Johnny, in uniform, on duty and I've also seen them driving using a phone.
Its proven that teaching a child manners and respect can reduce the likelihood of them developing a criminal mentality, but if you let them run wild, they will always push the boundaries. This is same for adults. We must start to enforce the small laws to have any chance of reducing serious crime.
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Is becoming clearer to me that the government doesnt care. They may think this SoE is them caring but I think its the opposite. Alot of these paranderos depend on this season to make the majority of their annual income.
And for those of u who think that this SoE is working, just wait and see when the three months are over, we'll be right back where we started because they failed to deal with the root of the problem
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Is becoming clearer to me that the government doesnt care. They may think this SoE is them caring but I think its the opposite. Alot of these paranderos depend on this season to make the majority of their annual income.
And for those of u who think that this SoE is working, just wait and see when the three months are over, we'll be right back where we started because they failed to deal with the root of the problem
Stop soundin like a PNM. All will b swell after d SOE.
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Is becoming clearer to me that the government doesnt care. They may think this SoE is them caring but I think its the opposite. Alot of these paranderos depend on this season to make the majority of their annual income.
And for those of u who think that this SoE is working, just wait and see when the three months are over, we'll be right back where we started because they failed to deal with the root of the problem
Look like allyuh dumb f**ks so in love wid the PNM allyuh dont want this SOE to wrk.. Who gaves a f**k bout party when yu cya walk outside yu house without being killed? allyuh need to shut allyuh kakahole , cause di mount a shit yuh talking dey it have to be comming out of yu ass.. Lock dung di whole facking country mi sey.. Divali, parang, every freeking thing .. Hold and beat criminals for spite... and since di police dem have the rite to lock up and beat anyone.. Get whole a cro cro beat him and then put a backing on him fi mi... If di police ketch manning and he ceyah oman lock dem up too.. put a gang member charge on dem.. I want to see firewrks between cops and dem wutless pieces of shits who call themselves criminals.....
war
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Is becoming clearer to me that the government doesnt care. They may think this SoE is them caring but I think its the opposite. Alot of these paranderos depend on this season to make the majority of their annual income.
And for those of u who think that this SoE is working, just wait and see when the three months are over, we'll be right back where we started because they failed to deal with the root of the problem
Look like allyuh dumb f**ks so in love wid the PNM allyuh dont want this SOE to wrk.. Who gaves a f**k bout party when yu cya walk outside yu house without being killed? allyuh need to shut allyuh kakahole , cause di mount a shit yuh talking dey it have to be comming out of yu ass.. Lock dung di whole facking country mi sey.. Divali, parang, every freeking thing .. Hold and beat criminals for spite... and since di police dem have the rite to lock up and beat anyone.. Get whole a cro cro beat him and then put a backing on him fi mi... If di police ketch manning and he ceyah oman lock dem up too.. put a gang member charge on dem.. I want to see firewrks between cops and dem wutless pieces of shits who call themselves criminals.....
war
y yuh do go back jamaica grab yuh bottle an yuh banket crawl back up yuh fadder rat infested hermaphroditic cuunt an take ah sleep racist pig fuucking totee head
how about dat for language people entitled to dey muddac**t opinion, if yuh doh like it, take up ah faetal position and stik yuh head up d crack ah yuh ass so d shit dat coming out yuh brain go have company
idiotic moron
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y yuh do go back jamaica grab yuh bottle an yuh banket crawl back up yuh fadder rat infested hermaphroditic cuunt an take ah sleep racist pig fuucking totee head
how about dat for language people entitled to dey muddac**t opinion, if yuh doh like it, take up ah faetal position and stik yuh head up d crack ah yuh ass so d shit dat coming out yuh brain go have company
idiotic moron
ha ha... de man cussout War yes :rotfl:
Aye, Rajesh... doh study lefty man. Grab ah Ting, eat ah bulla wid cheese and light yuh spliff.
One Is One.
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y yuh do go back jamaica grab yuh bottle an yuh banket crawl back up yuh fadder rat infested hermaphroditic cuunt an take ah sleep racist pig fuucking totee head
how about dat for language people entitled to dey muddac**t opinion, if yuh doh like it, take up ah faetal position and stik yuh head up d crack ah yuh ass so d shit dat coming out yuh brain go have company
idiotic moron
ha ha... de man cussout War yes :rotfl:
Aye, Rajesh... doh study lefty man. Grab ah Ting, eat ah bulla wid cheese and light yuh spliff.
One Is One.
Di Yute "jes come" ... suh mi guh gave him a bligh... look like he know a lot bout dem compromising positions he talking bout dey. I eh guh hijack di thread... War is a veteran mi nuh have time fi dem hurry come up... gwan yute talk yu talk...
war
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y yuh do go back jamaica grab yuh bottle an yuh banket crawl back up yuh fadder rat infested hermaphroditic cuunt an take ah sleep racist pig fuucking totee head
how about dat for language people entitled to dey muddac**t opinion, if yuh doh like it, take up ah faetal position and stik yuh head up d crack ah yuh ass so d shit dat coming out yuh brain go have company
idiotic moron
ha ha... de man cussout War yes :rotfl:
Aye, Rajesh... doh study lefty man. Grab ah Ting, eat ah bulla wid cheese and light yuh spliff.
One Is One.
Di Yute "jes come" ... suh mi guh gave him a bligh... look like he know a lot bout dem compromising positions he talking bout dey. I eh guh hijack di thread... War is a veteran mi nuh have time fi dem hurry come up... gwan yute talk yu talk...
war
yute jus come...... my ass yuh talk a setta fuuckry, an assailin people because dey have issues wit what going, on top ah all dat an callin on police to assault people, yuh is ah fuuckin mad man, how go like people to wish violence on yuh obtuse confused arse, man like allyuh so is what wrong wit dis country
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Is becoming clearer to me that the government doesnt care. They may think this SoE is them caring but I think its the opposite. Alot of these paranderos depend on this season to make the majority of their annual income.
And for those of u who think that this SoE is working, just wait and see when the three months are over, we'll be right back where we started because they failed to deal with the root of the problem
Look like allyuh dumb f**ks so in love wid the PNM allyuh dont want this SOE to wrk.. Who gaves a f**k bout party when yu cya walk outside yu house without being killed? allyuh need to shut allyuh kakahole , cause di mount a shit yuh talking dey it have to be comming out of yu ass.. Lock dung di whole facking country mi sey.. Divali, parang, every freeking thing .. Hold and beat criminals for spite... and since di police dem have the rite to lock up and beat anyone.. Get whole a cro cro beat him and then put a backing on him fi mi... If di police ketch manning and he ceyah oman lock dem up too.. put a gang member charge on dem.. I want to see firewrks between cops and dem wutless pieces of shits who call themselves criminals.....
war
war, i doh know u, but u cud hull yuh ass
i have my opinion, f**k u if u dont agree. have no manners wid yuh fake jamaican ass. u wud want anybody talk to your daughter like that, (if u have one)????
is I who living here. i I who living Morvant. I surrounded by crime, had family members and friends affected by crime. so of course i want something to be done about crime. but this SoE alone is NOT d answer and that is all the ppl who have been opposed to it are saying.
so anybody who oppose the SoE is ah PNM??????? ignorant asshole
so because you not losing your income, your livelihood, you doh give a f**k. pple still have to live during this SoE eh ! doh forget that. is not u who on d brink of losing your job because your boss cant afford to pay u
the SoE was established and nothin serious come out of it. Two rusty gun, ppl arrested on traffic offences and breaking curfew, a container a marijuana found. but what else? what d f**k dey putting in place AFTER d SoE? or u want dem to have we in SoE for years?? daiz your brilliant plan??
you behaving just like Kamla and dem. we not supposed to ask no questions den? we not supposed to have any concerns, so we supposed to bend over and take anything dey giving we because they say so and they supposedly have our best interest at heart
it seems some ppl on this board, including yourself cant disagree with someone's opinion without insulting them. grow the fack up!
and War, stay wherever u is and hull yuh stinking mudder c**t
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Well yes......when Warrior Queen and lefty well cuss way yuh arse, yuh know yuh on shit!!!
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Eh... internet sarcasm fail again... oh well.
btw... Steups voice sound kinah sexy when she call Andre, ah could only imagine how she sound cussin' War. Rajesh and Super Cat is de only two Indian Jamaicans I know... Gaza mi seh! lol
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Watch meh we need to open ah tent for Carnival. We will make rel money for the site. Then Contoversial will see every game in T&T from rong de bridge, up in snake valley, all de way down in Bourda, and give Harford ah res. Leh we organize.
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steups yu talking bouthow ppl talking to man daughter and yu cussing man bout dey mother.. allyuh ladies is horrors eh.. anyway talk yu talk and do yu internet badness. If we ever buck up yu will definitely feal di wrath cause I dont skin teeth or deal wid computer badness.. now back to di subject..
mi wah see fire wrks between di police and di so call criminals.. f**kway wid parang, carnival, chutney show and everything else.. SOE mi sey.. and fuk way wid di PNM supporters who wah see we country stay di same way dey mek it.. war sey suh...
war
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STEUPS!! ah sorry how things change up in just a years time. ah respect yur views on de SOE but really had to wonder how yuh reach dat perspective given de change in yur statements below.
what i said before was that no member of my immediate family or close friends were victims of crime. something that i thank d Almighty for all d time.
is I who living here. i I who living Morvant. I surrounded by crime, had family members and friends affected by crime. so of course i want something to be done about crime. but this SoE alone is NOT d answer and that is all the ppl who have been opposed to it are saying.
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STEUPS!! ah sorry how things change up in just a years time. ah respect yur views on de SOE but really had to wonder how yuh reach dat perspective given de change in yur statements below.
what i said before was that no member of my immediate family or close friends were victims of crime. something that i thank d Almighty for all d time.
is I who living here. i I who living Morvant. I surrounded by crime, had family members and friends affected by crime. so of course i want something to be done about crime. but this SoE alone is NOT d answer and that is all the ppl who have been opposed to it are saying.
those two posts were a year apart. and alot of things can happen in a year.
brother got robbed at gunpoint on the beetham highway during carnival this year. he stopped on the highway to pick up a friend who was visiting from the states and family lived on the beetham. while waiting, a group of men robbed him in the car. thankfully they didnt kill him
one of my closest girlfrens was sexually assaulted some months ago. i myself was travelling home in a big maxi after a late class last semester when the driver of the maxi got held up and robbed when he stopped off in curepe. thanks be to God myself and the other passengers werent held up (but i wouldnt say i was a victim, because i wasnt immediatedly affected). but then again, all of these incidents are none of your business
i am surrounded by crime. I live Morvant, i hear gunshots on a regular, there was a murder on my street some years ago and im unfortunate where illegal activities take place around me.
so again i ask, what is so wrong with some citizens wanting some answers on this SoE?? there are other members on this forum who have been affected by crime but still want some answers from the government
so ribbit, u want to go through some more of my posts since it seems u have all the time in the world ::)
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2 arrested after $13m marijuana bust in San Rafael
Tuesday 27th September, 2011
Police have destroyed $13 million in marijuana plants in the San Rafael area and seized a 12-gauge shotgun and 6 cartridges.
At Tuesday's Police Service Press Briefing, Ms Sharon Lee Assang, the Director of Public Affairs at the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service, confirmed that 2 persons were arrested and will be charged for various offences in connection with the incident.
The exercise was carried out in the San Rafael area by officers of the Northern Division Task Force and the Organised Crime, Narcotics and Firearms Bureau (OCNFB).
Ms Assang continued, "They went into a forested area at the southern side of the Mundo Nuevo Forest and found 18,000 fully grown marijuana trees and 3,200 young marijuana trees with a street value of approximately TT$13 million. The plants were uprooted and destroyed. One 12-guage and 6 cartridges of 12-guage ammunition were also seized. Two persons were arrested and will be charged with possession of firearm, ammunition, possession of marijuana for the purpose of trafficking, and for cultivating marijuana."
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=32376&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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Who get lock up for de weed on the port in Point Lisas? Daiz de question.
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The suppoze to be Honorable Jack Warner this morning said on power102fm, if he had the power, he would extend the SOE to three decades, because of the lawlessness of the people of the country.
He for real ,you know what does bother me the most is the word Honarable that go with their name
i wonder if it do not bother them .
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The suppoze to be Honorable Jack Warner this morning said on power102fm, if he had the power, he would extend the SOE to three decades, because of the lawlessness of the people of the country.
He for real ,you know what does bother me the most is the word Honarable that go with their name
i wonder if it do not bother them .
Under any other government this statement would have been called reckless, abusive and injurious to consumer and investor confidence.
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Who get lock up for de weed on the port in Point Lisas? Daiz de question.
How do they estimate the street value of marijuana plants?
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Who get lock up for de weed on the port in Point Lisas? Daiz de question.
How do they estimate the street value of marijuana plants?
The amount of plant? Per acre? What they need to say to make de SoE look good
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He for real ,you know what does bother me the most is the word Honarable that go with their name
i wonder if it do not bother them .
Under any other government this statement would have been called reckless, abusive and injurious to consumer and investor confidence.
Jah even if i did not make this statement ,these Honourable men and women make statements that is reckless ,abusive ,and injurious to comsumers and investors confidence all by themselves and they would say lets move on .
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He for real ,you know what does bother me the most is the word Honarable that go with their name
i wonder if it do not bother them .
Under any other government this statement would have been called reckless, abusive and injurious to consumer and investor confidence.
Jah even if i did not make this statement ,these Honourable men and women make statements that is reckless ,abusive ,and injurious to comsumers and investors confidence all by themselves and they would say lets move on .
yep.
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steups yu talking bouthow ppl talking to man daughter and yu cussing man bout dey mother.. allyuh ladies is horrors eh.. anyway talk yu talk and do yu internet badness. If we ever buck up yu will definitely feal di wrath cause I dont skin teeth or deal wid computer badness.. now back to di subject..
mi wah see fire wrks between di police and di so call criminals.. f**kway wid parang, carnival, chutney show and everything else.. SOE mi sey.. and f**k way wid di PNM supporters who wah see we country stay di same way dey mek it.. war sey suh...
war
Eh fella, if yuh really want tuh know bout the "PEOPLE NATIONAL MOVEMENT" then talk tuh the old ppl who was of age @ the end of the colonial era, if it have any remnants of them on the land since they are a dying breed!
the PNM spareheaded independence and was responsible for all the mdfckn things we as free liberated ppl take forgranted that is denied in so many countries on the planet!
my great aunt told me that when the PNM came to power , they received no financial help from the crown, and had tuh scrape and crounge for what ever little we coulda get. there was very little infrastructure and schools, and dr williams worked his arse off to achieve ah functional society that coulda compete with the best in the world.
as much as i dislike politicians, i would not sit here and listen to you dog the name of the PNM, simply bc i would be allowing you tuh talk what yuh hear yuh bias ass grudgeful parents and grand parents had tuh say about a party that my predecessor believed in and would've given their lives for.
not that the PNM is any good "today"! but i still would not stay here and allow you to desecrate the original party who did a lot for trinidad and tobago. yes patrick manning is ah serious c@nt, but the PNM under dr williams early admin was about something.
as for the UNC and panday, they did more damage and encourage more bobol than anyother political party in T&T's history. all this gun shooting and gang activity came into being bc of the UNc's lacks power hungry policies, while seeking to stay in power by rubbing shoulder with influential undesirables.
so if yuh really looking for someone to blame, start looking in yuh own back yard BUDDY! bc i not tryin tuh hear all dat PNM bashing for the sake of the initial ppl who believed in the movement.:notlistening:
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Ah hearing talk that the curfew hours might go back to 9 - 5?? Steups!! These people for facking real??!! This better be a rumour and nothing more..... :cursing: :cursing: :bs:
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This SOE/Curfew extension is totally unnecessary and dragging it on for this long only devalues its use as a tool of last resort which should be reserved for cases of natural disaster, an attempted coup, etc!
What they need to do is stop this unnecessary SOE immediately as apart from it negatively affecting the economy of the country it can and is being used to abuse the rights and hard earnt freedoms of too many honest law abiding citizens.
Better alternative is to clean up the police force and get them to do a proper professional job of policing communities and fighting crime. Too many unsolved crimes and corruption in the police force with members of the service taking backhanders from the big fish is the main reason why crime has gotten out of hand.
Also the courts need to give criminals especially the big fish when they are caught more serious sentences meaning that they would think twice about doing a serious crime and going to prison for a very long time.
Maybe hanging needs to be brought back for cases of rape, drug trafficking, bringing in guns & arms and cold blooded murder as they are all linked.
The T&T police force should not need an SOE to do their jobs so there is no need for an SOE to fight crime and criminals! Gibbs is obviously a big waste of T&T taxpayers money! What has he done to stamp out police corruption and to dramatically increase the forces crime solving rate since he's been hired?!
Boost up the coast guard patrolling our waters and secure our ports and the big fish trying to imported drugs, arms, etc into the country will be forced to earn an honest living or to go to another country where they are more welcomed and free to operate their corrupt destructive & murderous activities!
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Curfew hours under review
By Sue-Ann Wayow
Story Created: Sep 27, 2011 at 11:46 PM ECT
Story Updated: Sep 27, 2011 at 11:46 PM ECT
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Curfew_hours_under_review-130681943.html
Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar will today raise the issue of extending the curfew hours to its original eight hour, at the meeting of the National Security Council.
There have been calls by some for the curfew hours to be changed from 11 p.m. to 4 a.m., to the original 9 p.m. to 5 a.m., because of reports that violent crime is again on the increase.
Speaking during a visit to the San Fernando General Hospital Tuesday night, Persad-Bissessar said "I have heard those concerns (and) I will raise it with the law enforcement officers. They were the ones who told us where to put the hotspots in the first place, and the timing".
Persad-Bissessar said she could not make a judgment call on the curfew "until we speak with them (members of the National Security Council)".
"And in fact on Wednesday I have a National Security Council meeting and I will hear their views and we will see what to do."
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people like war talkin shit up in he cuunt bout who not supportin diss shit, but whey d scheduled patrols, whey d sustained police presence....where it.............d big answer to d problems "is everybody go inside" dem for real.............dese days if yuh see ah police car yuh lucky, but no.is not shit goin on if yuh seein nonsense an yuh vex yuh is ah pnm......steups
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people like war talkin shit up in he cuunt bout who not supportin diss shit, but whey d scheduled patrols, whey d sustained police presence....where it.............d big answer to d problems "is everybody go inside" dem for real.............dese days if yuh see ah police car yuh lucky, but no.is not shit goin on if yuh seein nonsense an yuh vex yuh is ah pnm......steups
or you is a foolish Trini who like to lime too much
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D PP crime plan has finally revealed it is d SOE
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Curfew hours under review
By Sue-Ann Wayow
Story Created: Sep 27, 2011 at 11:46 PM ECT
Story Updated: Sep 27, 2011 at 11:46 PM ECT
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Curfew_hours_under_review-130681943.html
Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar will today raise the issue of extending the curfew hours to its original eight hour, at the meeting of the National Security Council.
There have been calls by some for the curfew hours to be changed from 11 p.m. to 4 a.m., to the original 9 p.m. to 5 a.m., because of reports that violent crime is again on the increase.
Speaking during a visit to the San Fernando General Hospital Tuesday night, Persad-Bissessar said "I have heard those concerns (and) I will raise it with the law enforcement officers. They were the ones who told us where to put the hotspots in the first place, and the timing".
Persad-Bissessar said she could not make a judgment call on the curfew "until we speak with them (members of the National Security Council)".
"And in fact on Wednesday I have a National Security Council meeting and I will hear their views and we will see what to do."
"Because it is not meeee oooh oooh, Blame it on de..........."
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people like war talkin shit up in he cuunt bout who not supportin diss shit, but whey d scheduled patrols, whey d sustained police presence....where it.............d big answer to d problems "is everybody go inside" dem for real.............dese days if yuh see ah police car yuh lucky, but no.is not shit goin on if yuh seein nonsense an yuh vex yuh is ah pnm......steups
or you is a foolish Trini who like to lime too much
ent :cursing: :cursing:
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State of constant emergency...
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From Gayelle TV on Facebook:
This is the official statement from the Office of the Prime Minister:
The Honourable Kamla Persad-Bissessar Prime Minister of the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago is presently undergoing medical assessment, examinations and evaluation at St Clair Medical following complaints of feeling unwell this morning.
She is resting comfortably.
Further updates will be provided later today.
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From Gayelle TV on Facebook:
This is the official statement from the Office of the Prime Minister:
The Honourable Kamla Persad-Bissessar Prime Minister of the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago is presently undergoing medical assessment, examinations and evaluation at St Clair Medical following complaints of feeling unwell this morning.
She is resting comfortably.
Further updates will be provided later today.
I wonder how Jack feeling now that he has to go to court in two weeks to answer where d warriors money.
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This is getting a bit silly now. So, the govt say that a 11pm-4am curfew isn't working because bad men are still committing crime? Their answer? Lock people down for longer. :rotfl:
So, those rapists down central wouldn't have creeped out at 2.30 a.m. if the curfew had been 9pm -5am?
Heres an idea, and remember, I'm no crime expert here....why not try to catch the people committing the crimes? Yes, I know its radical, but its worth a try. More police patrols on the highway, regular road blocks stopping motorists, breathalysing and searching vehicles (yes, Bakes, I know, but its better than locking up the whole damn country)
People say the curfew only effects limers, but this is not true. Tommorrow there is a show at Queens Hall starting at 6.30 pm. This would have to start at 5pm if curfew times revert back to 9pm, football will have to kick off at 3pm. Its hard enough to get people to reach by 5pm at the moment, with mant supporters arriving at half time of the first double header. And the traffic is murder from 2.30 pm coming out of POS. People going to have to leave work at lunchtime soon.
Whether you support the SOE or not, they must devise an end game, because at the moment the SOE is looking permanent to me.
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More police patrols on the highway, regular road blocks stopping motorists, breathalysing and searching vehicles (yes, Bakes, I know, but its better than locking up the whole damn country)
I actually don't have a problem with that... except for the indiscriminate searching part.
1) A significantly higher percentage of motorists are engaged in unlawful behavior (where it concerns the motor vehicle code) than regular citizens are engaged in crime, so that's a valid justification.
2) Driving is a privilege, not a right and that privilege can be circumscribed for justifiable reasons, as long as you're either stopping everybody, or randomly and indiscriminately stopping vehicles.
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22 more freed
Charged under Anti Gang Act...
By Innis Francis innis.francis@trinidadexpress.com
Story Created: Sep 29, 2011 at 11:52 PM ECT
Story Updated: Sep 29, 2011 at 11:52 PM ECT
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/22_more_freed-130829353.html
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THANKFUL: Adisa Hinkson, one of 22 men freed yesterday, hugs his aunt, Constable Judith St Louis, outside the San Fernando Magistrates' Court. —Photo: TREVOR WATSON
Director of Public Prosecutions Roger Gaspard yesterday pulled the plug on 22 more police cases against men charged under the Anti Gang Act.
Gaspard turned up at the San Fernando First Magistrates' Court, and told Magistrate Rajendra Rambachan that he had perused the files related to the charges against the prisoners, who were arrested shortly after the declaration of the State of Emergency in August.
He said, "there is no sufficient evidential plinth (basis) on which prosecution could be mounted in these matters, I am constrained to indicate to this court".
He said, therefore, "the prosecution offers no evidence in these matters and takes the liberty to discontinue the matters by filing the requisite notices of discontinuance of these matters".
Two weeks ago in the Port of Spain Magistrates Court, Gaspard's intervention also led to 21 alleged members of the "Nelson Street gang" being freed.
He also sent State attorneys twice to the Princes Town Magistrates' Court to inform magistrates that the cases against ten men, charged under the Anti Gang legislation, were dropped.
The lawyers for the prisoners in Princes Town had complained in a letter to Gaspard that police prosecutors dealing with the gang cases had allegedly consulted with lawyers hired by Attorney General Anand Ramlogan, and not with lawyers working with the DPP's Office.
Yesterday's decision by Gaspard was greeted with celebration by the 22 men, who were locked away in the basement cell block section of the courthouse during the hearing.
The men learnt of their freedom from a prisoner who was in the courtroom at the time of Gaspard's announcement.
Fifteen prisoners were freed last night. Seven still face other charges, and were returned to prison.
Attorney Subhas Panday, who represented several of the alleged gang members, said during the court hearing that the Anti-Gang legislation did not define whether the DPP had to be consulted before charges were laid.
Panday, a former minister in the National Security Ministry, said that police officers had charged some people and then attempted to find evidence to prove they were gang members.
Attorney Keith Beckles, who represented one of the alleged gang members, thanked the office of the DPP "for being fearless and independent".
The Police Service Public Information Officer ASP Joanne Archie said on Wednesday that of the 449 people arrested under the Anti-Gang legislation, some 121 were released without charge.
Of the 236 charged, yesterday's intervention by Gaspard means that 53 men charged under the Anti Gang Act have now walked free.
The State is also expected to make an announcement in the Couva Magistrates Court today, in a case involving a man charged with being a gang member.
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Lawsuits against State imminent
By Innis Francis
Story Created: Sep 29, 2011 at 11:52 PM ECT
Story Updated: Sep 29, 2011 at 11:52 PM ECT
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Lawsuits_against_State_imminent-130829348.html
Several of the men freed yesterday said they were held in oppressive conditions at the infamous "Guantanamo Bay" of the remand section of Golden Grove Prison for more than a month.
Several said they planned to file lawsuits against the State seeking compensation.
Twenty two men were freed on gang charges in the San Fernando Magistrates' Court yesterday after Director of Public Prosecutions Roger Gaspard said there was insufficient evidence to prosecute them.
Thirty-one other men were freed on similar grounds in recent weeks.
Kwasi Kallah, 28, who was arrested shortly after the declaration of the State of Emergency on August 21, said he had been in custody, with no chance of getting bail, for 34 days.
"The Government don't know what they doing. They put we in cell blocks with real criminals, and that frustrating. It smelling inside there. But I remained humble."
Kallah said he would be wasting no time in taking legal action.
"I was poor when they arrest me, and I will be rich after this."
Kallah, and his brother, who was also freed on gang-related charges, were advised by their lawyer Subhas Panday to leave the city, because "police know the law now. They will look for evidence to come at allyuh".
Ken Gresham, who was also released yesterday, shouted "freedom at last!" as he left the cell block, to be greeted by relatives.
Attorney Frank Seepersad, who defended several of the men, said one of his clients was still in custody, charged with being a gang member, because police had not sent the file to the Office of the DPP.
Gaspard urged police investigators to expedite the paperwork so that he could review the cases.
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22 more freed
Charged under Anti Gang Act...
The lawyers for the prisoners in Princes Town had complained in a letter to Gaspard that police prosecutors dealing with the gang cases had allegedly consulted with lawyers hired by Attorney General Anand Ramlogan, and not with lawyers working with the DPP's Office.
This is the problem that has been brewing ever since the PP got into power... and I sure if they could, they would have removed Gaspard... in fact, I seem to remember them trying. For all his bluster, Anand has no say in criminal prosecutions... the AG is the government's lawyer, their advisor. He is not a prosecutor, that is the role of the DPP, who is also a lawyer. He's the equivalent of a District Attorney here in the US... or really... DPP is like the Attorney General (Eric Holder) whereas in TnT the AG is more like the Solicitor General (Eleanor Kagan old role). So for police to be consulting with lawyers or anybody from the AG's office is foolishness and a waste of time... say nothing of improper.
As for this Anti-Gang law... it will eventually get to the point where the DPP will stop prosecuting under it because it will be a waste of time and resources... no matter how the Parliamentary law reads, at the end of the day you still need evidence to present in court.
All that aside... "the prosecution offers no evidence in these matters and takes the liberty to discontinue the matters by filing the requisite notices of discontinuance of these matters". Why Gaspard using 100 words to say something he could sum up in 10? "Your Honor, the State will not be proceeding on these matters for lack of evidence"... or something so? Another by-product of the English system.
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"All that aside... "the prosecution offers no evidence in these matters and takes the liberty to discontinue the matters by filing the requisite notices of discontinuance of these matters". Why Gaspard using 100 words to say something he could sum up in 10? "Your Honor, the State will not be proceeding on these matters for lack of evidence"... or something so? Another by-product of the English system."
Maybe he gets paid by the word? LOL
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"All that aside... "the prosecution offers no evidence in these matters and takes the liberty to discontinue the matters by filing the requisite notices of discontinuance of these matters". Why Gaspard using 100 words to say something he could sum up in 10? "Your Honor, the State will not be proceeding on these matters for lack of evidence"... or something so? Another by-product of the English system."
Maybe he gets paid by the word? LOL
Or keeping up appearances... lawyer is big wuk y'know ;)
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This is the problem that has been brewing ever since the PP got into power... and I sure if they could, they would have removed Gaspard... in fact, I seem to remember them trying.
Bakes, that very thought crossed my mind. I meant to enquire as to whether or not they could use their majority to amend the constitution to achieve something like that. I eh goh put it past the AG and these jokers with their agendas to try it. Call me uuuuummm paranoid I guess but this PP UNC-led government has been doing some things since coming into make yuh think that they are quite capable of pulling such a stunt........
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A clothing store is having a massive 'SoE' sale.I'm not being facetious they're really calling it that . At this point everybody knows its just bullshit.
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I said in another thread that the Nelson St releases were not isolated incidents but cases were being thrown out regularly. If 100 of those guys get convicted I will celebrate with the police.
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I tired of KAMLA FOOLISH CURFEW I ready for some Royal Castle
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I tired of KAMLA FOOLISH CURFEW I ready for some Royal Castle
My God.....you are desperate Weary!!! Yuh not a Japs gyal? (Mind you, is it Royal Castle or Churches that do the McDonald style apple pies?)
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I tired of KAMLA FOOLISH CURFEW I ready for some Royal Castle
Ah know yuh playing on words, but I leaving town tonight and feel like passing for some Haagen Daaz in Maraval only to remember dem closing 9 pm.....and I leaving town 9:15.....schuppsss!!!!
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A clothing store is having a massive 'SoE' sale.I'm not being facetious they're really calling it that . At this point everybody knows its just bullshit.
marios has a 'state of urgency' special as well
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A clothing store is having a massive 'SoE' sale.I'm not being facetious they're really calling it that . At this point everybody knows its just bullshit.
marios has a 'state of urgency' special as well
Try googling state of emergency and sale.
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Poll: Strong support for SoE, curfew
A poll conducted by the North American Caribbean Teachers’ Association shows strong support for the limited state of emergency (SoE), declared on August 21. People’s views, however, tend to diverge on the curfew hours with most being supportive and some calling to end the curfew altogether saying it had served its purpose and is not so effective as during the initial stage. Citizens note that the curfew should be imposed on the entire country and not limited to specific areas since criminals could relocate from hotspots and gravitate to communities not under curfew restrictions. Approximately 410 respondents were interviewed at random, reflecting the demographic composition of the voting population.
Asked if they supported the state of emergency when it was initially declared, 74 per cent said yes, pointing out that it has served more good than harm providing people with a sense of safety. The overwhelming majority said the state of emergency has served as a deterrent to crime. People indicate they had reached a saturation point in tolerating crime especially homicides and applaud the Government for trying something to bring down the crime rate. However, when asked if they back the extension of the state of emergency through December, support slipped to 64 per cent with young people saying it has affected their social life. Members of the business community also complained that the curfew has impacted on business with their revenues falling.
With regards to the curfew hours, 43 per cent prefer 11 pm to 5 am, with 24 per cent saying they would like to revert back to the 9 pm to 5 am hours, while others want the curfew to end altogether saying it is too disruptive to their lives. Though supportive of any measure designed to reduce crime, respondents feel there is need for a state of emergency in Tobago as well.
PM’s approval ratings hold steady
The findings also show the Prime Minister’s approval ratings holding, with those of the Opposition Leader slipping on the state of emergency issue. Asked if they supported the state of emergency when it was first declared, 74 per cent said yes.
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2011/10/02/poll-strong-support-soe-curfew (http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2011/10/02/poll-strong-support-soe-curfew)
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I actually feel less safe during this SoE than when we didnt have any. I have been locking my gallery gate these last few weeks after having never locked them before. dont be fooled by the news reports. there is still alot of crime going on that is not being reported.
d bandits do not care about the SoE. it still have plenty of them out there still and they moving to suit along with the rest of the population.
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Poll: Strong support for SoE, curfew
A poll conducted by the North American Caribbean Teachers’ Association shows strong support for the limited state of emergency (SoE), declared on August 21. People’s views, however, tend to diverge on the curfew hours with most being supportive and some calling to end the curfew altogether saying it had served its purpose and is not so effective as during the initial stage. Citizens note that the curfew should be imposed on the entire country and not limited to specific areas since criminals could relocate from hotspots and gravitate to communities not under curfew restrictions. Approximately 410 respondents were interviewed at random, reflecting the demographic composition of the voting population.
Asked if they supported the state of emergency when it was initially declared, 74 per cent said yes, pointing out that it has served more good than harm providing people with a sense of safety. The overwhelming majority said the state of emergency has served as a deterrent to crime. People indicate they had reached a saturation point in tolerating crime especially homicides and applaud the Government for trying something to bring down the crime rate. However, when asked if they back the extension of the state of emergency through December, support slipped to 64 per cent with young people saying it has affected their social life. Members of the business community also complained that the curfew has impacted on business with their revenues falling.
With regards to the curfew hours, 43 per cent prefer 11 pm to 5 am, with 24 per cent saying they would like to revert back to the 9 pm to 5 am hours, while others want the curfew to end altogether saying it is too disruptive to their lives. Though supportive of any measure designed to reduce crime, respondents feel there is need for a state of emergency in Tobago as well.
PM’s approval ratings hold steady
The findings also show the Prime Minister’s approval ratings holding, with those of the Opposition Leader slipping on the state of emergency issue. Asked if they supported the state of emergency when it was first declared, 74 per cent said yes.
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2011/10/02/poll-strong-support-soe-curfew (http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2011/10/02/poll-strong-support-soe-curfew)
SOE for Tobago too? What for? To stem all the gang activity, endless murders, drug trade and overall lawlessness over there? It just goes to show how people are thinking, or rather, not thinking. People begging for themselves and their countrymen to be lockedup along with criminals yes, rather than insisting on better policing. I doh think the people of TnT understand thoroughly what an SOE means.
I find the general population kinda unsophisticated, even compared to other caribbean islands and it is reflected in the political discourse, despite our history of political upheaval. TnT is a weird place.
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This PP government has totally devalued the purpose and use of an SOE!
And many of the dotish people who vote them in backing it as well!
I say it good for them as you usually get what you vote for!!
Sad really, what T&T has come to! :(
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Allyuh foreigners need to stop denying the people of TnT what it is they want. The minute this SoE is lifted and crime star back up it will have clamoring for the SoE to be put back in place. I predict it will be lifted for Christmas, and Carnival, but other than that all bets are off. Might be SoE in allyuh skin fuh de next three and a half years.
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I remember a time when T&T calypsonians used to sing great songs calling for freedom in places like South Africa and such!
Very soon they will have to be concentrating on singing freedom songs for regular law abiding citizens in T&T.
Just hope they will be allowed to sing those songs without being arrested themselves and also that they will be given some airplay! :(
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Well mih cousin and he wife call me since Thursday morning to tell me Police break down dey door the day before and ramsacked their house. We couldn't talk at the time cuz we both busy but I promised to check them over the weekend to get the full details which I did today.
I'll try to summarise as best as I can. On Wednesday around 4:30 pm while my cousin and wife were not at home, a crew of Police and Soldiers (the soldiers wore masks about 4 of them) pulled up to my cousin's house with the intention of searching his house. His father (who lives next door) came over and dey (the Police in particular) called my cousin's wife who thought the phone call was a joke and responded jokingly as well. So the officer then called my cousin who told them that he had nothing to hide and since his father was there they could go ahead and search the house. I told him I disagreed with him doing that and that he should have been there but I digress a bit.
So they took a crow bar and opened the door. Now my cousin has CCTV cameras monitoring the exterior of the house so from approx 4:30 the movements of the search party could be seen on camera. Once the party got inside the cameras were switched off and they were switched back on around 5:17 pm. My cousin had still not arrived home.
Anyway, when he finally arrived the Police officer in charge told him that they had already searched the house but they didn't want to leave until he came and went through the house to make sure nothing was missing and to talk to him about why they were there.
So why where they there?? The Police officer told my cousin that the origin of the request for a search came from the soldiers who were there. The police was told that my cousin was a drug lord and that he receives drugs from his Uncle in NY and he had narcotics in the house. That IS NOT TRUE!! The police officer actually told him that from the moment they arrived they knew they were wasting their time but had to go along with the charade.
So why would the police and soldiers be looking for drugs in a house where there was none?? Well my cousin has had a long running land dispute with some of his family members who live on the same land that he does (its one big estate type property and every body has a "spot"). It was due to this feud he had the CCTV cameras mentioned above installed. They threatened to burn down his house on more than one occasion. One cousin in particular has been very disruptive and has threatened for a while to have him arrested for what ever reason. So this cousin apparently knows someone in the Army who is quite willing to use his new found powers under the SOE to dig up my cousin's house.
The police officer actually asked my cousin if he "f*&^&%$ng a soldier's wife" cuz the way they were digging up the place he felt they had a vendetta against my cousin. My cousin said the officer kept saying he knows they (the police) are wasting their time but didn't have a choice. When my cousin gave him a background into the land dispute as a possible reason for the "search", the officer actually went to visit the disruptive relative on three occasions but he was not at home. They eventually left around 5:45 pm.
His wife is so upset about it. While recounting the events of that day today she broke down for a bit.
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I real sorry for your cousin and his family... hate to say "I told you so" but these are some of the very concerns I raised earlier being made manifest now. It may not have meant much, but absent a warrant yuh cousin shoulda never give them permission to search. Suppose they did plant something? I find it interesting that they know enough to turn off the cameras.
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Poll: Strong support for SoE, curfew
A poll conducted by the North American Caribbean Teachers’ Association shows strong support for the limited state of emergency (SoE), declared on August 21. People’s views, however, tend to diverge on the curfew hours with most being supportive and some calling to end the curfew altogether saying it had served its purpose and is not so effective as during the initial stage. Citizens note that the curfew should be imposed on the entire country and not limited to specific areas since criminals could relocate from hotspots and gravitate to communities not under curfew restrictions. Approximately 410 respondents were interviewed at random, reflecting the demographic composition of the voting population.
Asked if they supported the state of emergency when it was initially declared, 74 per cent said yes, pointing out that it has served more good than harm providing people with a sense of safety. The overwhelming majority said the state of emergency has served as a deterrent to crime. People indicate they had reached a saturation point in tolerating crime especially homicides and applaud the Government for trying something to bring down the crime rate. However, when asked if they back the extension of the state of emergency through December, support slipped to 64 per cent with young people saying it has affected their social life. Members of the business community also complained that the curfew has impacted on business with their revenues falling.
With regards to the curfew hours, 43 per cent prefer 11 pm to 5 am, with 24 per cent saying they would like to revert back to the 9 pm to 5 am hours, while others want the curfew to end altogether saying it is too disruptive to their lives. Though supportive of any measure designed to reduce crime, respondents feel there is need for a state of emergency in Tobago as well.
PM’s approval ratings hold steady
The findings also show the Prime Minister’s approval ratings holding, with those of the Opposition Leader slipping on the state of emergency issue. Asked if they supported the state of emergency when it was first declared, 74 per cent said yes.
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2011/10/02/poll-strong-support-soe-curfew (http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2011/10/02/poll-strong-support-soe-curfew)
seems like the majority are in favor of the SOE, with adjustments it will be fine.
one poster is talking about apartheid, i would love for him to explain to me how this is an example of apartheid?
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I remember a time when T&T calypsonians used to sing great songs calling for freedom in places like South Africa and such!
Very soon they will have to be concentrating on singing freedom songs for regular law abiding citizens in T&T.
Just hope they will be allowed to sing those songs without being arrested themselves and also that they will be given some airplay! :(
explain in detail how this current SOE in your opinion resembles apartheid in south africa?
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I real sorry for your cousin and his family... hate to say "I told you so" but these are some of the very concerns I raised earlier being made manifest now. It may not have meant much, but absent a warrant yuh cousin shoulda never give them permission to search. Suppose they did plant something? I find it interesting that they know enough to turn off the cameras.
But ent under an SOE a warrant not necessary to search premises?
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But ent under an SOE a warrant not necessary to search premises?
They don't need the warrant but they must at least have a reasonable suspicion that the premises either contain contraband, or that criminal activity afoot. Assuming they plant something on the premises, you could at least hang onto the hope of challenging the legality of the search (by arguing they didn't even have RS). By giving them consent to search you deny yourself the availability of that argument as an option.
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I real sorry for your cousin and his family... hate to say "I told you so" but these are some of the very concerns I raised earlier being made manifest now. It may not have meant much, but absent a warrant yuh cousin shoulda never give them permission to search. Suppose they did plant something? I find it interesting that they know enough to turn off the cameras.
I was real vex with him for telling them to go ahead. As for the cameras, they are easily seen from outside and he told me the acess panel for them was in plain view inside the house so they just opened it and switched them off. It is also not much of a stretch to think that they knew beforehand that the cameras were present. It was real unnervving to watch real, real unnervving.
The next unnervving thing is that they now concerned about when next they would be "visited" because these neighbours apparently wont rest until my cousin is carted away in handcuffs.....*sigh* :(
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I remember a time when T&T calypsonians used to sing great songs calling for freedom in places like South Africa and such!
Very soon they will have to be concentrating on singing freedom songs for regular law abiding citizens in T&T.
Just hope they will be allowed to sing those songs without being arrested themselves and also that they will be given some airplay! :(
explain in detail how this current SOE in your opinion resembles apartheid in south africa?
Try using your brain Controversial, I am not going to do your homework for you!
I am sure you can work it out, well at least I am hoping you can! 8)
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I remember a time when T&T calypsonians used to sing great songs calling for freedom in places like South Africa and such!
Very soon they will have to be concentrating on singing freedom songs for regular law abiding citizens in T&T.
Just hope they will be allowed to sing those songs without being arrested themselves and also that they will be given some airplay! :(
explain in detail how this current SOE in your opinion resembles apartheid in south africa?
Try using your brain Controversial, I am not going to do your homework for you!
I am sure you can work it out, well at least I am hoping you can! 8)
i am using my brain, the question is are you? ???
another question for you would be why are you afraid to say your true opinion on this subject.
i am asking a simple question, what part of this current govt exercise is similar/resembles apartheid?
i don't agree with your statement because i actually am well versed in the nation's politics, actually politics as a whole, so i am curious as to why this is apartheid? i want to hear in your own words since you have been so vocal about this SOE.
did all my homework and did my own reading and research Because I do not agree with that statement even in the slightest
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I remember a time when T&T calypsonians used to sing great songs calling for freedom in places like South Africa and such!
Very soon they will have to be concentrating on singing freedom songs for regular law abiding citizens in T&T.
Just hope they will be allowed to sing those songs without being arrested themselves and also that they will be given some airplay! :(
explain in detail how this current SOE in your opinion resembles apartheid in south africa?
Try using your brain Controversial, I am not going to do your homework for you!
I am sure you can work it out, well at least I am hoping you can! 8)
You have time to be back and forth with he. Remember he from round de bridge East Dry River area.
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I remember a time when T&T calypsonians used to sing great songs calling for freedom in places like South Africa and such!
Very soon they will have to be concentrating on singing freedom songs for regular law abiding citizens in T&T.
Just hope they will be allowed to sing those songs without being arrested themselves and also that they will be given some airplay! :(
explain in detail how this current SOE in your opinion resembles apartheid in south africa?
Try using your brain Controversial, I am not going to do your homework for you!
I am sure you can work it out, well at least I am hoping you can! 8)
You have time to be back and forth with he. Remember he from round de bridge East Dry River area.
since you know where half of my family is from, explain to me how this is similar to apartheid?
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I remember a time when T&T calypsonians used to sing great songs calling for freedom in places like South Africa and such!
Very soon they will have to be concentrating on singing freedom songs for regular law abiding citizens in T&T.
Just hope they will be allowed to sing those songs without being arrested themselves and also that they will be given some airplay! :(
explain in detail how this current SOE in your opinion resembles apartheid in south africa?
Try using your brain Controversial, I am not going to do your homework for you!
I am sure you can work it out, well at least I am hoping you can! 8)
You have time to be back and forth with he. Remember he from round de bridge East Dry River area.
No I don't have the time which is why I've ignored him!
He seems to have the illusion that I actually read all his posts or take him seriously! 8)
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I remember a time when T&T calypsonians used to sing great songs calling for freedom in places like South Africa and such!
Very soon they will have to be concentrating on singing freedom songs for regular law abiding citizens in T&T.
Just hope they will be allowed to sing those songs without being arrested themselves and also that they will be given some airplay! :(
explain in detail how this current SOE in your opinion resembles apartheid in south africa?
Try using your brain Controversial, I am not going to do your homework for you!
I am sure you can work it out, well at least I am hoping you can! 8)
You have time to be back and forth with he. Remember he from round de bridge East Dry River area.
No I don't have the time which is why I've ignored him!
He seems to have the illusion that I actually read all his posts or take him seriously! 8)
what a liar, the reason why you are not explaining your position is because it is biased and a farce.
you are afraid to say your true opinion, thats why you have ignored the question
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I remember a time when T&T calypsonians used to sing great songs calling for freedom in places like South Africa and such!
Very soon they will have to be concentrating on singing freedom songs for regular law abiding citizens in T&T.
Just hope they will be allowed to sing those songs without being arrested themselves and also that they will be given some airplay! :(
explain in detail how this current SOE in your opinion resembles apartheid in south africa?
Try using your brain Controversial, I am not going to do your homework for you!
I am sure you can work it out, well at least I am hoping you can! 8)
You have time to be back and forth with he. Remember he from round de bridge East Dry River area.
No I don't have the time which is why I've ignored him!
He seems to have the illusion that I actually read all his posts or take him seriously! 8)
what a liar, the reason why you are not explaining your position is because it is biased and a farce.
you are afraid to say your true opinion, thats why you have ignored the question
:rotfl:
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I remember a time when T&T calypsonians used to sing great songs calling for freedom in places like South Africa and such!
Very soon they will have to be concentrating on singing freedom songs for regular law abiding citizens in T&T.
Just hope they will be allowed to sing those songs without being arrested themselves and also that they will be given some airplay! :(
explain in detail how this current SOE in your opinion resembles apartheid in south africa?
Try using your brain Controversial, I am not going to do your homework for you!
I am sure you can work it out, well at least I am hoping you can! 8)
You have time to be back and forth with he. Remember he from round de bridge East Dry River area.
No I don't have the time which is why I've ignored him!
He seems to have the illusion that I actually read all his posts or take him seriously! 8)
what a liar, the reason why you are not explaining your position is because it is biased and a farce.
you are afraid to say your true opinion, thats why you have ignored the question
:rotfl:
the only joke is your accusation of apartheid :D
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Spoke to my mom yesterday, in her words. "The atmosphere in the country is better." This comes from a 60 year old woman's perspective who has to be traveling up and down by herself. Mind you, she's not remotely interested in the next fete, parang or Carnival but she does live alone and lost a son to crime.
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"The atmosphere in the country is better."
it does feel alot calmer especially at night, but it still have a few imps out there intent on causing trouble.
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I remember a time when T&T calypsonians used to sing great songs calling for freedom in places like South Africa and such!
Very soon they will have to be concentrating on singing freedom songs for regular law abiding citizens in T&T.
Just hope they will be allowed to sing those songs without being arrested themselves and also that they will be given some airplay! :(
explain in detail how this current SOE in your opinion resembles apartheid in south africa?
Try using your brain Controversial, I am not going to do your homework for you!
I am sure you can work it out, well at least I am hoping you can! 8)
You have time to be back and forth with he. Remember he from round de bridge East Dry River area.
No I don't have the time which is why I've ignored him!
He seems to have the illusion that I actually read all his posts or take him seriously! 8)
what a liar, the reason why you are not explaining your position is because it is biased and a farce.
you are afraid to say your true opinion, thats why you have ignored the question
:rotfl:
the only joke is your accusation of apartheid :D
Show me where in this quote I'm saying that there is apartheid in T&T?!
I remember a time when T&T calypsonians used to sing great songs calling for freedom in places like South Africa and such!
Very soon they will have to be concentrating on singing freedom songs for regular law abiding citizens in T&T.
Just hope they will be allowed to sing those songs without being arrested themselves and also that they will be given some airplay! :(
That apartheid in T&T argument is totally yours!
Don't forget that I completely ignored you and you quickly came to your own crazy conclusion just as you always do!
You really have voices in your head telling you all sorts of things and I don't really have the time or medical expertise to help you! Sorry but you obviously need to see a qualified shrink!!
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"The atmosphere in the country is better."
it does feel alot calmer especially at night, but it still have a few imps out there intent on causing trouble.
Which I guess there always will be.
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"The atmosphere in the country is better."
it does feel alot calmer especially at night, but it still have a few imps out there intent on causing trouble.
Which I guess there always will be.
We used to be the land of the humming bird, coockrecko, steelband and limbo, but nowadays weez de land of the imps, impsey and impish! :pissedoff:
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Spoke to my mom yesterday, in her words. "The atmosphere in the country is better." This comes from a 60 year old woman's perspective who has to be traveling up and down by herself. Mind you, she's not remotely interested in the next fete, parang or Carnival but she does live alone and lost a son to crime.
Glad moms happy I pray dat her joy will not b short because come Dec 5th when dis nonesense is over we will really know bout d atmosphere.
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We should be aware of a false sense of security. I hear people like Preacher saying things are calmer, and I agree, they are. The question is....why?
People are not hanging around so much in the evenings, but tend to want to get home. This has two effects: 1) We're not outside so we don't really know what its like after 11pm on the streets. 2)As there aren't as many potential victims, bandits are experiencing slim pickings.
Also, its harder for gangs to find rival gangs to shoot up at the moment.
This curfew, much like prison, doesn't cure bandits of the desire to commit crime, it just removes their opportunity. Come December there will be lots of bandits looking to do their xmas shopping and as they have been unable to steal for 3 months, they're gonna be desperate.
There has been no soloution to the crime problem. Locking people up doesn't prevent crime long term, it just denies opportunities.
Yes, it may be safer for many people at the moment. But many people and businesses are being denied the right to live their lives how they want. If we could emerge from the SOE in a new utopia where crime levels remain low, I would unconditionally support the SOE. But the reality is that this is not a soloution, its a postponement.
One of the worrying side effects is that people are now very used to living under a curfew and once we return to normal, it could be a shock to the system.
And we still don't know the reason for the SOE. Govt talk about preventing a situation that would make 1990 look like a tea party, but we still don't know what is was and we still haven't seen any post SOE plans to combat crime.
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Spoke to my mom yesterday, in her words. "The atmosphere in the country is better." This comes from a 60 year old woman's perspective who has to be traveling up and down by herself. Mind you, she's not remotely interested in the next fete, parang or Carnival but she does live alone and lost a son to crime.
Glad moms happy I pray dat her joy will not b short because come Dec 5th when dis nonsense is over we will really know bout d atmosphere.
She didn't seem to concerned about Dec.5th. I guess considering her life she's learned to be thankful for the now. And as I've heard from other people they appreciate the atmosphere as it is right now. Look, like many mothers in Trinidad, I've seen this woman endure much hardship over the years. However, I've never seen her become vindictive or scandalous. Yeah she believes in God but the lesson to me is this....You can't always control what comes to you in life, whether it be natural disaster or wicked men. But what you can control is your response. Come Dec.5th I guess the whole country would have a choice to respond to whatever is next...good, bad or indifferent. We can use the soap box to stand up on or use the soap for cleansing. I would suggest everyone starts by washing their own hands.
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One of the worrying side effects is that people are now very used to living under a curfew and once we return to normal, it could be a shock to the system.
And we still don't know the reason for the SOE. Govt talk about preventing a situation that would make 1990 look like a tea party, but we still don't know what is was and we still haven't seen any post SOE plans to combat crime.
FS I hear you. I'm not sure how much shock it's going to be to people. The only shock that's coming is how many bandits are going to get kill if they start back with they stuff. But law abiding people ain't getting no shock. Night is for sleep day is for work. As far as I'm concern we like to much party and we skin teeth at slackness. When the main stream populace don't hold itself accountable they become food for wicked men because it's a communal endorsement. Low morality and ethics breeds anarchy(Lawlessness). Why? Laws are built on morality and ethics. So if people don't respect the laws it will not protect them. This ain't rocket science. And my reference is for EVERYONE from JACK, PNM ,UNC ,PP to the customs officer. To turn this ship we need to vote in the right leadership and brace.
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One of the worrying side effects is that people are now very used to living under a curfew and once we return to normal, it could be a shock to the system.
And we still don't know the reason for the SOE. Govt talk about preventing a situation that would make 1990 look like a tea party, but we still don't know what is was and we still haven't seen any post SOE plans to combat crime.
FS I hear you. I'm not sure how much shock it's going to be to people. The only shock that's coming is how many bandits are going to get kill if they start back with they stuff. But law abiding people ain't getting no shock. Night is for sleep day is for work. As far as I'm concern we like to much party and we skin teeth at slackness. When the main stream populace don't hold itself accountable they become food for wicked men because it's a communal endorsement. Low morality and ethics breeds anarchy(Lawlessness). Why? Laws are built on morality and ethics. So if people don't respect the laws it will not protect them. This ain't rocket science. And my reference is for EVERYONE from JACK, PNM ,UNC ,PP to the customs officer. To turn this ship we need to vote in the right leadership and brace.
I understand your sentiments, but you cannot group everyone together. I enjoy taking a lime, and this curfew means that I can't enjoy a drink with friends in the way I used to. By the time you get in from work, eat, bathe etc its past 8pm. This means that I wouldn't reach town until past 8.30 and bars close at 9.30, so its just not worth it. Of course, I could go straight from work, eat out etc, but the reality is this isn't practical. Also, my boys used to sweat until 10pm and then take a lime. I don't believe any of my friends suffer from low morality or ethics. I also enjoy seeing live bands at places like Woodford Cafe which currently isn't possible and take my girl to a club. Again, I don't see this as morally or ethically unacceptable.
Even those people who choose to sleep around or spend their money in casino's aren't acting illegally. I know I am being controversial by saying this, but suppose an effect of the SOE was that people could only attend churches or mosques between the hours of 2pm and 5pm or that services could only last 20 minutes. Religeous people would be in uproar. I don't choose to attend religeous services, but I do choose to attend bars. Does this make me morally bankrupt? I choose how I want to live my life and as long as it hurts no one, I should be allowed to do as I like. People like your mother have a different lifestyle than me and they are receiving a positive effect from the SOE, and I am pleased for them. However, people like me are not allowed to live the life we choose. I'm sometimes still working until 9pm and maybe somedays I don't start work until 4pm. Daytime is no good to me, I want to relax at night. One of my friends works from 9am until 8pm, why shouldn't he be allowed to take a beer at night?
So as much as I appreciate that the SOE is curtailing criminal activity, for a lot of people it is curtailing their social life. To many thats no big deal and a price worth paying, but again, I say would the same be said if it was peoples religeous worship that was being curtailed?
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I keep hearing newspaper reports of "gang members" being released by graps almost every day.....hhhhhmmmm.......when I find the time I'll find the articles.
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http://www.trinidadexpress.com/commentaries/Managing_crime_with_a_curfew_-130894898.html
Many people have been calling for a removal of the curfew because of the detrimental effect on the national economy. As one person put it—the curfew is crippling an already stagnant economy. On the other hand, some people say when the curfew hours were reduced, crime went back up so there is justification in maintaining a curfew or even in returning to the more restrictive hours. The Minister of National Security has stated that the curfew is being reviewed and there is even a possibility that it could be removed.
Curfew Orders
It is not the first time that imposing a curfew has been utilised as a means of curbing crime. In some countries, a court is empowered with the right to sentence offenders to a curfew order as part of a sentence in lieu of a term of imprisonment. Persons are allowed to stay at home but must be in by specified times, such as 8 p.m.
In the UK, for instance, at one time courts could impose "stand alone" curfew sentences, where a person had to remain in one specified place during certain times of up to 12 hours. Now that has been changed so that the curfew is part of a more complex community sentence, including electronic monitoring as well as other requirements such as the performance of work.
A curfew order in the countries which have them are however part of a sentence imposed on specific people who have been convicted of crimes. In the case of the curfew here in T&T, it is imposed in areas throughout Trinidad so that for all intents and purposes it is treated as if it were nationwide. The police themselves have even asked (wrongly) businesses to close in areas that are outside the curfew. People in authority have taken it upon themselves to warn citizens in non-curfew areas to remain inside even if they are outside the curfew areas.
Undesirable conditions
As I have previously said, living under curfew conditions is not a natural or desirable way to exist. It is almost an admission of national immaturity. The apparent reduction in violent crime in the last six weeks or so can be no excuse for calling for the resumption of more restrictive curfew hours or the maintenance of the curfew much longer.
We have individual rights and while the Constitution allows for some infringement to the extent that we do not affect others' rights and on the grounds of national security, the latter is in exceptional circumstances.
I am not here querying the necessity for calling the current State of Emergency. Assuming the Government did need to do so to avert an unknown and unnamed crisis—well it has been averted, hasn't it? One cannot, therefore, expect an entire country to continue in this state just in case there is a relapse, so to speak. If that were the case, then the nation would have to be under a State of Emergency and curfew forever. This is why I do not accept the contention that because people feel safer under emergency conditions this is a justification for continuing with the State of Emergency, and by extension the curfew, indefinitely. Because I feel safer in my house does not and cannot mean that I will or should remain locked in at all times.
Further, this is contrary to the very spirit of an "emergency". An emergency cannot be ongoing. It is a "serious, unexpected and potentially dangerous situation requiring immediate action", according to the dictionary meaning of the word. That situation allows rights to be suspended for the time needed to deal with the emergency.
It may well be as the Prime Minister claims the State of Emergency period has/will give us the opportunity to reclaim our country. The security forces have had that opportunity for nearly six weeks. If they have not done so by now, then it is debatable whether continuing much further with our suspension of rights will do so.
Serious crime
As for the contention that serious crime has decreased during this time—well, what do you expect? Once the police ranks are doubled with the Defence Force; the police have greater powers of arrest; there was a hiatus on public meetings; and we were under curfew restrictions, it would have been amazing if there were no reduction in crime.
The fact that serious crime has picked up again merely demonstrates that people adapt and among them are criminals. If we continued with the State of Emergency and curfew for another year, before the end of that year it is more than probable that even then the crime rate would be back to where it was—if other measures are not put in place that can control crime.
We are not in a state of war, as currently exists in some countries in the world where dangerous and life-threatening situations abound. That would be the only rationale for continuing with a State of Emergency for any extended period of time.
In short, therefore, a State of Emergency can only be for a limited time, else it offends against its very nature. The apparent reduction in crime will not continue. Citizens' rights that are affected by the State of Emergency should not be suspended indefinitely because of the fact that some citizens feel safer now. The Government, having averted the crisis it claimed led to the calling of a State of Emergency, would be justified in reconsidering that strategy. A national State of Emergency cannot be a crime-fighting tool for ordinary criminal activity.
We have had a reprieve from violent crime. Now is the time to return to normalcy of everyday living; to national maturity and to rescuing our economy. Start by terminating the curfew.
• Dana S Seetahal is a former
independent senator.
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Emergency of no use—Rowley (http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2011/10/03/emergency-no-use-rowley)
Published: Tue, 2011-10-04 21:17
Richard Lord
Leader of the Opposition Dr Keith Rowley yesterday renewed his call for the immediate end to the state of emergency, which he said was serving no useless purpose. He said: “The state of emergency, as a response to fighting criminal activity in T&T, has outlived any potential usefulness.” He said the Government was “preserving and maintaining an unnecessary state of emergency so as to have a political advantage on T&T.” Rowley said that during a news conference at his Charles Street, Port-of-Spain, office yesterday. “We are calling on the Government to cease and desist immediately. There is no need for our country to be under a state of emergency. The Government must end the curfew immediately. It does not relate to any crime-fighting,” Rowley added.
He said the police could continue its work without a state of emergency. “And as of today, the Government cannot justify why we have to have regulations that curtail other normal, democratic activity. “The Government is abusing its authority and it is using the Police Service for political purposes,” Rowley added. He said almost half of the people arrested and charged under the Anti-Gang Act have been freed as the police were unable to provide evidence to support their cases. Rowley said the legislation should be amended as soon as possible to prevent abuse. He said that must be done because the police have been “picking up people and taking them to court with insufficient or no evidence at all.”
Rowley said the Anti-Gang Act should be amended to allow police evidence to be reviewed by the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP). He said if that was done there would be no repeat of people being arrested and charged and being set free by the courts for a lack of supporting evidence. He said the law was approved on the expectation that the police would present evidence to support the cases in court. Rowley also called for the immediate resignation of the National Security Minister, who claimed the state of emergency was imposed on August 21 because of a specific threat to the State that was far worse then the 1990 attempted coup.
Rowley said Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar was subsequently quoted as saying she was not aware of any such threat. “This is not a case of two beer cans falling on somebody’s feet, you know. This is a state of emergency,” he added. He said all of the people detained under the state of emergency could have been held without it. He said most of the people were detained for traffic and maintenance and other outstanding warrants. Rowley said the emergency was “hampering political activity and labour activity.” He predicted that once the emergency continued into December, many people would continue to lose their jobs and business also would be affected negatively.
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Like this (not Rowley...haven't read that one yet!) ...very sensible
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I keep hearing newspaper reports of "gang members" being released by graps almost every day.....hhhhhmmmm.......when I find the time I'll find the articles.
No charges for 121 (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/No_charges_for_121-130755563.html)
By Jensen LaVende jensen.lavende@trinidadexpress.com
Story Updated: Sep 28, 2011 at 11:55 PM ECT
OF the 449 people arrested under the Anti-Gang legislation a total of 236 people have been charged while more than half that number being released by police without a charge being laid against them.
This was disclosed yesterday by Public Information Officer of the Police Service, ASP Joanne Archie during the police daily press briefing yesterday held at the Police Administration Building, Sackville Street, Port of Spain.
Archie said of the 449 people held, minus the four held over the weekend, 92 were charged with other offences which are not gang related.
She added 28 of the 236 charged were released, following the intervention of the Director of Public Prosecutions Roger Gaspard and 121 released without being charged. According to an Express tally 31 people arrested have been released so far.
Archie also informed members of the media that 40 people have been charged in connection with the 112 guns and 12,330 rounds of ammunition with 28 magazines, which have been recovered since the start of the State of Emergency on August 21.
Twelve people have been charged with murder so far while a total of 56 were arrested in connection with homicides Archie said, adding the rest were released except four who are still assisting police with their investigations. All of the 345 people held on enquiries have since been released save and except for two people.
Archie said the number of people released in connection with other offences, serious and drug related offences, could not be determined as she did not have the statistics on how many of them were denied bail, pleaded guilty or were reprimanded and discharged. She stated, however, that they would have all appeared in court already.
Also speaking at the press briefing was Director of Public Affairs of the Police Service Sharon Lee Assang, who informed the media there have been 15 reported cases of abuse by police reported to the Police Complaints Authority since the start of the State of Emergency. She added seven investigations have been initiated so far.
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Let the gullible folks who this government bamboozle into believing that the police need a SOE to fight crime keep calling for its extension rather than the exact opposite!!
Anyway this is what the majority voted for and you tend to get what you vote for!! :thumbsup:
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Let the gullible folks who this government bamboozle into believing that the police need a SOE to fight crime keep calling for its extension rather than the exact opposite!!
Anyway this is what they voted for and you get what you vote for!! :thumbsup:
YEP WE RISE 2 SOE.
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Love this woman unabashedly... and it's not because I agree with her the vast majority of times. Her handle on the legal principles, the clarity of her logic... and of her writing... very, very impressive.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/commentaries/Managing_crime_with_a_curfew_-130894898.html
...This is why I do not accept the contention that because people feel safer under emergency conditions this is a justification for continuing with the State of Emergency, and by extension the curfew, indefinitely. Because I feel safer in my house does not and cannot mean that I will or should remain locked in at all times...
This above is why I stop responding to some of the comments made in support of the SoE. It is such an absurd, illogical, simplistic, knee-jerk position to take in using the abatement of crime as a justification for using/extending the SoE. A reduction in crime is a logical extension of any process by which you curtail the freedom of people to move about, particularly compounded with an increased law enforcement process. It is only tangentially related to the SoE and not at all indicative of effective governance or policing. It is a distressing symbol of intellectual immaturity that so many supposedly educated Trinbagonians would find this acceptable... which is separate from the 'national immaturity' Seetahal speaks of, in addressing the attitude that the only way we can function 'normally' is by government curtailing our individual rights.
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:-[ :-[ :shameonyou: :shameonyou: :shameonyou: :shameonyou: :-[ :-[
Boasting about a reduction in crime during a State of Emergency is like gloating about losing weight during a famine!!
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Uncle Errol: Things are not improving in Trinidad and Tobago, the authorities are making more and more of a pappyshow of themselves and our country. THEY HAVE FAILED US!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GvUwlPSKJk
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It is a distressing symbol of intellectual immaturity that so many supposedly educated Trinbagonians would find this acceptable... which is separate from the 'national immaturity' Seetahal speaks of, in addressing the attitude that the only way we can function 'normally' is by government curtailing our individual rights.
is only now yuh realize we is simple minded simpletons of d highest order, is long time I know dat, whey you been
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This above is why I stop responding to some of the comments made in support of the SoE. It is such an absurd, illogical, simplistic, knee-jerk position to take in using the abatement of crime as a justification for using/extending the SoE. A reduction in crime is a logical extension of any process by which you curtail the freedom of people to move about, particularly compounded with an increased law enforcement process. It is only tangentially related to the SoE and not at all indicative of effective governance or policing. It is a distressing symbol of intellectual immaturity that so many supposedly educated Trinbagonians would find this acceptable... which is separate from the 'national immaturity' Seetahal speaks of, in addressing the attitude that the only way we can function 'normally' is by government curtailing our individual rights.
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41040000/jpg/_41040734_wickt_getty.jpg)
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Uncle Errol: Things are not improving in Trinidad and Tobago, the authorities are making more and more of a pappyshow of themselves and our country. THEY HAVE FAILED US!
http://www.youtube.com/v/4GvUwlPSKJk
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Uncle Errol: Things are not improving in Trinidad and Tobago, the authorities are making more and more of a pappyshow of themselves and our country. THEY HAVE FAILED US!
http://www.youtube.com/v/4GvUwlPSKJk
they have been failing for over 3 decades, so whats the point ??? ::)
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One of the worrying side effects is that people are now very used to living under a curfew and once we return to normal, it could be a shock to the system.
And we still don't know the reason for the SOE. Govt talk about preventing a situation that would make 1990 look like a tea party, but we still don't know what is was and we still haven't seen any post SOE plans to combat crime.
FS I hear you. I'm not sure how much shock it's going to be to people. The only shock that's coming is how many bandits are going to get kill if they start back with they stuff. But law abiding people ain't getting no shock. Night is for sleep day is for work. As far as I'm concern we like to much party and we skin teeth at slackness. When the main stream populace don't hold itself accountable they become food for wicked men because it's a communal endorsement. Low morality and ethics breeds anarchy(Lawlessness). Why? Laws are built on morality and ethics. So if people don't respect the laws it will not protect them. This ain't rocket science. And my reference is for EVERYONE from JACK, PNM ,UNC ,PP to the customs officer. To turn this ship we need to vote in the right leadership and brace.
I understand your sentiments, but you cannot group everyone together. I enjoy taking a lime, and this curfew means that I can't enjoy a drink with friends in the way I used to. By the time you get in from work, eat, bathe etc its past 8pm. This means that I wouldn't reach town until past 8.30 and bars close at 9.30, so its just not worth it. Of course, I could go straight from work, eat out etc, but the reality is this isn't practical. Also, my boys used to sweat until 10pm and then take a lime. I don't believe any of my friends suffer from low morality or ethics. I also enjoy seeing live bands at places like Woodford Cafe which currently isn't possible and take my girl to a club. Again, I don't see this as morally or ethically unacceptable.
Even those people who choose to sleep around or spend their money in casino's aren't acting illegally. I know I am being controversial by saying this, but suppose an effect of the SOE was that people could only attend churches or mosques between the hours of 2pm and 5pm or that services could only last 20 minutes. Religeous people would be in uproar. I don't choose to attend religeous services, but I do choose to attend bars. Does this make me morally bankrupt? I choose how I want to live my life and as long as it hurts no one, I should be allowed to do as I like. People like your mother have a different lifestyle than me and they are receiving a positive effect from the SOE, and I am pleased for them. However, people like me are not allowed to live the life we choose. I'm sometimes still working until 9pm and maybe somedays I don't start work until 4pm. Daytime is no good to me, I want to relax at night. One of my friends works from 9am until 8pm, why shouldn't he be allowed to take a beer at night?
So as much as I appreciate that the SOE is curtailing criminal activity, for a lot of people it is curtailing their social life. To many thats no big deal and a price worth paying, but again, I say would the same be said if it was peoples religeous worship that was being curtailed?
One of the worrying side effects is that people are now very used to living under a curfew and once we return to normal, it could be a shock to the system.
And we still don't know the reason for the SOE. Govt talk about preventing a situation that would make 1990 look like a tea party, but we still don't know what is was and we still haven't seen any post SOE plans to combat crime.
FS I hear you. I'm not sure how much shock it's going to be to people. The only shock that's coming is how many bandits are going to get kill if they start back with they stuff. But law abiding people ain't getting no shock. Night is for sleep day is for work. As far as I'm concern we like to much party and we skin teeth at slackness. When the main stream populace don't hold itself accountable they become food for wicked men because it's a communal endorsement. Low morality and ethics breeds anarchy(Lawlessness). Why? Laws are built on morality and ethics. So if people don't respect the laws it will not protect them. This ain't rocket science. And my reference is for EVERYONE from JACK, PNM ,UNC ,PP to the customs officer. To turn this ship we need to vote in the right leadership and brace.
I understand your sentiments, but you cannot group everyone together. I enjoy taking a lime, and this curfew means that I can't enjoy a drink with friends in the way I used to. By the time you get in from work, eat, bathe etc its past 8pm. This means that I wouldn't reach town until past 8.30 and bars close at 9.30, so its just not worth it. Of course, I could go straight from work, eat out etc, but the reality is this isn't practical. Also, my boys used to sweat until 10pm and then take a lime. I don't believe any of my friends suffer from low morality or ethics. I also enjoy seeing live bands at places like Woodford Cafe which currently isn't possible and take my girl to a club. Again, I don't see this as morally or ethically unacceptable.
Even those people who choose to sleep around or spend their money in casino's aren't acting illegally. I know I am being controversial by saying this, but suppose an effect of the SOE was that people could only attend churches or mosques between the hours of 2pm and 5pm or that services could only last 20 minutes. Religeous people would be in uproar. I don't choose to attend religeous services, but I do choose to attend bars. Does this make me morally bankrupt? I choose how I want to live my life and as long as it hurts no one, I should be allowed to do as I like. People like your mother have a different lifestyle than me and they are receiving a positive effect from the SOE, and I am pleased for them. However, people like me are not allowed to live the life we choose. I'm sometimes still working until 9pm and maybe somedays I don't start work until 4pm. Daytime is no good to me, I want to relax at night. One of my friends works from 9am until 8pm, why shouldn't he be allowed to take a beer at night?
So as much as I appreciate that the SOE is curtailing criminal activity, for a lot of people it is curtailing their social life. To many thats no big deal and a price worth paying, but again, I say would the same be said if it was peoples religeous worship that was being curtailed?
FS sometimes I tend to over simplify, what I meant to say was that we Trinis like the nice results without the due diligence...(Party Mentality) and we no longer hold each other accountable to positive community standards. (Skin Teeth at slackness) It hasn't always been that way though in times past children were made to respect all adults. This was a statute of community that upheld positive responses to authority and there were many others including sharing conversation(Liming) and sharing resources.
Morality and Ethincs precedes religion. Religion came into being when people some how felt that they no longer needed to take personal responsibility for their actions. Are you saying not liming is the same as being denied the right to worship? Cause I know many churches would just change their times.
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when watching d news and watching the faces of these people who were arrested under d SOE and now released due to lack of evidence, we in for some SERIOUS PRESSURE these next few months.
a hornets nest has been raised due to the improper planning of the SOE. dem fellas coming to make mas in dis place. just now u will see a surge in murders. alot of dem fellas feel somebody snitch on them so is level revenge scene goin to play off.
on top of that they cud very well sue the government for wrongful arrest and end up getting probably millions of dollars. my self imposed routine for the past few weeks was work, school, home and this will continue for the next few months. i dont want to be outside after seven.
i see Preacher and others saying that the atmosphere appears calmer. i wholeheartedly disagree. i actually feel less safe during this SOE and when this SOE is over, i think this country would be worse off where crime is concerned. im praying that I am wrong.
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i see Preacher and others saying that the atmosphere appears calmer. i wholeheartedly disagree. i actually feel less safe during this SOE and when this SOE is over, i think this country would be worse off where crime is concerned. im praying that I am wrong.
That's fair enough for me, everyone would see things differently. Regardless of our views we are both hoping for the best. :cheers:
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when watching d news and watching the faces of these people who were arrested under d SOE and now released due to lack of evidence, we in for some SERIOUS PRESSURE these next few months.
a hornets nest has been raised due to the improper planning of the SOE. dem fellas coming to make mas in dis place. just now u will see a surge in murders. alot of dem fellas feel somebody snitch on them so is level revenge scene goin to play off.
on top of that they cud very well sue the government for wrongful arrest and end up getting probably millions of dollars. my self imposed routine for the past few weeks was work, school, home and this will continue for the next few months. i dont want to be outside after seven.
i see Preacher and others saying that the atmosphere appears calmer. i wholeheartedly disagree. i actually feel less safe during this SOE and when this SOE is over, i think this country would be worse off where crime is concerned. im praying that I am wrong.
STEUPS, its sounds to me like you want to encourage them to keep this SOE going permanently!
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when watching d news and watching the faces of these people who were arrested under d SOE and now released due to lack of evidence, we in for some SERIOUS PRESSURE these next few months.
a hornets nest has been raised due to the improper planning of the SOE. dem fellas coming to make mas in dis place. just now u will see a surge in murders. alot of dem fellas feel somebody snitch on them so is level revenge scene goin to play off.
on top of that they cud very well sue the government for wrongful arrest and end up getting probably millions of dollars. my self imposed routine for the past few weeks was work, school, home and this will continue for the next few months. i dont want to be outside after seven.
i see Preacher and others saying that the atmosphere appears calmer. i wholeheartedly disagree. i actually feel less safe during this SOE and when this SOE is over, i think this country would be worse off where crime is concerned. im praying that I am wrong.
STEUPS, its sounds to me like you want to encourage them to keep this SOE going permanently!
not at allllllllll pro. it was a mistake to implement it in the first place. people are still being murdered, crime is still goin on as normal and d big fish still swimming out dey.. SOE = a waste of time
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SOE discussion going on right now on C-TV!
Click this link: http://www.ctntworld.com/livestream
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I am listening to a very interesting discussion on I95.5 fm right now on the Anti-gang legislation and the SOE by extension....I'll post details later....
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Before I forget what was said. Attorney Israel Khan was interviewed this morning and he said among many things that most of the people held under the Anti-gang legislaton to date will have to be released.
He said the police apparently decided that with the new law in place they could go and pick up people they would have had information on BEFORE the legislation came into being. But that information can't be used to charge people for offences committed before the law came into being. And as such, most of the people held will be released without being prosecuted.
With respect to prosecutions, he said that the people released CAN'T SUE THE STATE BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT PROSECUTED. They can be picked up under a State of Emergency and detained but once they were not prosecuted they can't sue the state for wrongful prosecution. He said if they were detained under A DETENTION ORDER issued by the Minister of National Security then they may have been able to sue the state for wrongful detention. So the question was then asked why has no one been picked up under a detention order. He replied that the assessment would have been made that there was NO DIRECT THREAT to the state by any of these people that would warrant the issuance of such an order. So Dale and Tony replied, but that doesn't make sense since the initial claim was that the SOE was called to avert a crisis/emergency. So how could there not be such a threat?? Mr. Khan agreed with them that it was strange that such an order was not issued considering the nature of an SOE.
So when asked what was the purpose then of calling an SOE if these people would just be let back out without being prosecuted. He replied that the crime has been reduced under the SOE so it was just a matter of holding these people for a while so the country could get a breather.
He said it would be natural to be concerned of the aftermath in the months to come when these people are released. I think I heard him say something like he doesn't know what these fellas might do once released with the knowledge that they can't be touched......I'm not sure I heard him correct because I may have been distracted at that point and didn't hear the entire statement he made or get the full context.
Just thought I would share.....it was an interesting discussion.....
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I am listening to a very interesting discussion on I95.5 fm right now on the Anti-gang legislation and the SOE by extension....I'll post details later....
Edit:
Before I forget what was said. Attorney Israel Khan was interviewed this morning and he said among many things that most of the people held under the Anti-gang legislaton to date will have to be released.
He said the police apparently decided that with the new law in place they could go and pick up people they would have had information on BEFORE the legislation came into being. But that information can't be used to charge people for offences committed before the law came into being. And as such, most of the people held will be released without being prosecuted.
With respect to prosecutions, he said that the people released CAN'T SUE THE STATE BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT PROSECUTED. They can be picked up under a State of Emergency and detained but once they were not prosecuted they can't sue the state for wrongful prosecution. He said if they were detained under A DETENTION ORDER issued by the Minister of National Security then they may have been able to sue the state for wrongful detention. So the question was then asked why has no one been picked up under a detention order. He replied that the assessment would have been made that there was NO DIRECT THREAT to the state by any of these people that would warrant the issuance of such an order. So Dale and Tony replied, but that doesn't make sense since the initial claim was that the SOE was called to avert a crisis/emergency. So how could there not be such a threat?? Mr. Khan agreed with them that it was strange that such an order was not issued considering the nature of an SOE.
So when asked what was the purpose then of calling an SOE if these people would just be let back out without being prosecuted. He replied that the crime has been reduced under the SOE so it was just a matter of holding these people for a while so the country could get a breather.
He said it would be natural to be concerned of the aftermath in the months to come when these people are released. I think I heard him say something like he doesn't know what these fellas might do once released with the knowledge that they can't be touched......I'm not sure I heard him correct because I may have been distracted at that point and didn't hear the entire statement he made or get the full context.
Just thought I would share.....it was an interesting discussion.....
So my question is, are these guys actually the ones that are/were committing the violent crimes? He makes it seem so.
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So my question is, are these guys actually the ones that are/were committing the violent crimes? He makes it seem so.
sammy it obvious dat plenty ah dem fellas ent no innocence, but yuh call ah SOE tell d police to go out and bring een d criminals and police doh even understand d law under which yuh arrestin dese people, on top ah dat, yuh give dem fellas ah whole day an' change to move evidence dat would have been would at d scene.............ah will say in again, dem fellas have serious hardware up dey...........and police eh even scratch d surface simply because the powers dat be move real clumsy
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I am listening to a very interesting discussion on I95.5 fm right now on the Anti-gang legislation and the SOE by extension....I'll post details later....
Edit:
Before I forget what was said. Attorney Israel Khan was interviewed this morning and he said among many things that most of the people held under the Anti-gang legislaton to date will have to be released.
He said the police apparently decided that with the new law in place they could go and pick up people they would have had information on BEFORE the legislation came into being. But that information can't be used to charge people for offences committed before the law came into being. And as such, most of the people held will be released without being prosecuted.
With respect to prosecutions, he said that the people released CAN'T SUE THE STATE BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT PROSECUTED. They can be picked up under a State of Emergency and detained but once they were not prosecuted they can't sue the state for wrongful prosecution. He said if they were detained under A DETENTION ORDER issued by the Minister of National Security then they may have been able to sue the state for wrongful detention. So the question was then asked why has no one been picked up under a detention order. He replied that the assessment would have been made that there was NO DIRECT THREAT to the state by any of these people that would warrant the issuance of such an order. So Dale and Tony replied, but that doesn't make sense since the initial claim was that the SOE was called to avert a crisis/emergency. So how could there not be such a threat?? Mr. Khan agreed with them that it was strange that such an order was not issued considering the nature of an SOE.
So when asked what was the purpose then of calling an SOE if these people would just be let back out without being prosecuted. He replied that the crime has been reduced under the SOE so it was just a matter of holding these people for a while so the country could get a breather.
He said it would be natural to be concerned of the aftermath in the months to come when these people are released. I think I heard him say something like he doesn't know what these fellas might do once released with the knowledge that they can't be touched......I'm not sure I heard him correct because I may have been distracted at that point and didn't hear the entire statement he made or get the full context.
Just thought I would share.....it was an interesting discussion.....
So my question is, are these guys actually the ones that are/were committing the violent crimes? He makes it seem so.
Israel Khan was I say was a fella I use 2 like and listen 2 but after hearing d clip I say he singin 4 his supper. Let d courts decide dat they eh entitle 2 no money for wrongful arrest. Not because he say that dey eh have no case mean dey eh have no case.
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when i hear 'sandman' get released i say dese police ainy know wat dey doin at all...sandman name does b callin in ting left right and center o d eastwest corridor...same way how 'satan' from maloney name used to be about...allyuh remember d girl who beat up d kushbar in d car on d promenade? if u listen u will hear her threaten all on d promenade that she wud let sandman deal wit all ah dem..
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Israel can is ah dunce or what? "wrongful prosecution" isn't the only theory under which the state can be sued. If police arresting man without cause (meaning without evidence or at least reasonable suspicion for doing so) then the state can be sued for wrongful arrest... or illegal arrest as it would properly be called.
None of these people were picked up under the the emergency powers, they were picked up under existing anti-gang laws and as such the lower evidentiary threshold of the emergency powers of arrest do not control, to be arrested under AGL they have to meet the criteria established by the AGL statute. If this was not done then it was a wrongful arrest.
Before I really call him out he name I probably need to hear what it is he actually say and the context in which it was said... because that what he is alleged to have said is shocking in its implications.
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Marijuana eradication exercises in Biche nets weapons
Wednesday 5th October, 2011
Officials have destroyed millions of dollars worth of marijuana in two eradication exercises in the Biche forest
Trinidad and Tobago Police Service Public Information Officer, ASP Joanne Archie, confirmed that both exercises were conducted by officers of the Eastern Division Task Force and Organised Crime, Narcotics and Firearms Bureau on Tuesday and Monday.
On Tuesday, officers of the EDTF, OCNFB and Defence Force went to the Biche Charuma Forest and found two camps. They found two 12-gauge shotguns, 12 rounds of 12-gauge cartridges, 1 spent cartridge and a crossbow.
"Also, 152,000 fully grown marijuana trees, 3,000 seedlings, 6 kilogrammes marijuana seeds, and 30 kilogrammes of cured marijuana with an approximate street value of $152,300,000 was destroyed. No one was arrested. Investigations are continuing."
ASP Archie said on Monday, 45,000 fully grown marijuana trees and 22.7 kilogrammes of cured marijuana were destroyed at the Biche Forest. The street value of Monday's marijuana find was $4.5 million.
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=32768&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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4 held for murder of Assistant Police Commissioner
Wednesday 5th October, 2011
Police have arrested 4 men in connection with this year's murder of former Assistant Police Commissioner Cecil Carrington.
Mr Carrington was gunned down outside his Manzanilla home on January 28th 2011.
Speaking at the daily Police Press Briefing, ASP Joanne Archie confirmed that investigations were carried out by the Homicide Bureau and the Director of Public Prosecutions has now given instructions to charge four men with the crime.
Three of the suspects are 19 years old and the fourth is 24 years old.
The former Assistant Commissioner once led the Anti-Kidnapping Squad, the North Eastern Division and the Criminal Intelligence Division.
ASP Archie said more arrests and charges will follow in connection with the murder.
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=32770&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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I'd just like to know how they counted the 152,000 marajuana trees on Tuesday and the 45,000 on Monday ???
I mean, thats a lot of trees to count in one day. And imagine this (please forgive my attempts at written Trini!):
Constable Ganja is counting the trees..... "One hundred and twenty one thousand three hundred and twenty two, one hundred and twenty one thousand three hundred and twenty three, one hundred and twenty one thousand three hundred and twenty four......"
His cell phone rings
Ganja: "Hello"
Caller " Honey, it's yuh baby Sensomilia"
Ganja "Sensi baby, ah cyan talk nah, I's counting trees "
Caller "OK baby, jus call to remind allyuh to collek meh wildmeat fuh dinner nah"
Ganja "Scene, scene. Ah gone" Puts away phone. "Ooooohh Goooooddd, ah nah forget de las tree ah counted." Loud Steups
Ganja " One, Two, Three......"
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(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/317834_10150355440442996_126206357995_8184143_547294007_n.jpg)
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150355440442996&set=a.270658877995.143179.126206357995&type=1&ref=nf
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http://www.youtube.com/v/FjF2TfiEyhw
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@ Weary, did you hear the entire interview or just the newsclips?? Cuz when he first came on the air he did sound like he was singing for his supper but then went on to discuss both sides of the coin. The newsclips leave out the back and forth discussion that was taking place. Note however, he called in after the morning poll which was to vote on if people had to assign blame for the bungling over the arrest and subsequent release of these "gang members" who would it be. The choices were
Cowboy X, Gibbs and Sandy. Cowboy X won by a mile.......so yeah when he first started to talk about not blaming the AG and Sandy it sounded like singing for his supper.......
Also, Israel Khan does come across like a loose cannon at times so it would be good to get a second opinion so to speak. Ah better go and check Dana..... ;D
@ Bakes, when he said that the state could not be sued I was thinking that somehow that couldn't be right but then he stressed that because of the SOE some one could be picked up and detained but once they are not prosecuted then they have no basis for a lawsuit. However, I think I'm following your argument but bear with me.
The "gang members" were picked up under the AGL. But this was based on information before Aug 15th. So its not that there isn't evidence or suspicions, its just that it can't be used to prosecute for offences committed in retroactively. Does that make a difference??
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Marijuana eradication exercises in Biche nets weapons
Wednesday 5th October, 2011
Officials have destroyed millions of dollars worth of marijuana in two eradication exercises in the Biche forest
Trinidad and Tobago Police Service Public Information Officer, ASP Joanne Archie, confirmed that both exercises were conducted by officers of the Eastern Division Task Force and Organised Crime, Narcotics and Firearms Bureau on Tuesday and Monday.
On Tuesday, officers of the EDTF, OCNFB and Defence Force went to the Biche Charuma Forest and found two camps. They found two 12-gauge shotguns, 12 rounds of 12-gauge cartridges, 1 spent cartridge and a crossbow.
"Also, 152,000 fully grown marijuana trees, 3,000 seedlings, 6 kilogrammes marijuana seeds, and 30 kilogrammes of cured marijuana with an approximate street value of $152,300,000 was destroyed. No one was arrested. Investigations are continuing."
ASP Archie said on Monday, 45,000 fully grown marijuana trees and 22.7 kilogrammes of cured marijuana were destroyed at the Biche Forest. The street value of Monday's marijuana find was $4.5 million.
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=32768&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
I waiting to hear about when they find and destroy the coca plants growing in the cool, elevated climes of the Northern range.
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@ Bakes, when he said that the state could not be sued I was thinking that somehow that couldn't be right but then he stressed that because of the SOE some one could be picked up and detained but once they are not prosecuted then they have no basis for a lawsuit. However, I think I'm following your argument but bear with me.
The "gang members" were picked up under the AGL. But this was based on information before Aug 15th. So its not that there isn't evidence or suspicions, its just that it can't be used to prosecute for offences committed in retroactively. Does that make a difference??
Well I doh practice in Trinidad, so far be it for me to question a local criminal attorney... and a "Senior Counsel" at that, but the SOE doesn't give police blanket authority to "pick up" or "detain" people vaille-qui-vaille. From what I read, there still has to be reasonable suspicion that the person is engaged in criminal activity in order to arrest/detain them. Prosecution is a whole 'nother matter entirely. Your rights can be violated even if you're not prosecuted. If the detention is "reasonable" then I would agree that they can't sue... or more accurately, they could sue, but likely won't succeed. However, it is madness to suggest that police can detain you for a month and as long as they don't prosecute you that you'd have no redress.
As for the AGL, yes... they can't prosecute you based on information that they had before the law went into effect. But... it depends on the kind of information. With the gang members caught on film... they can't be prosecuted based on that evidence, because at the time the evidence was gathered, what they were doing was not illegal. In other words what on the film doesn't show activity that was at the time illegal. However, if the information that they gather leads to an investigation today... like somebody gives them a tip or they see or hear something today, they can use that going forward.
However, all that aside, what seems to be at issue here is police using 'reasonable suspicion' to arrest purported gang members under the AGL... but the AGL, like all other 'regular' laws, and unlike the SoE, requires a higher standard, it requires probably cause... which is more certain evidence than "I reasonably suspect that fella is a criminal"... it's more like "I have very good reason based on specific information (and not just a suspicion) that that fella in all likelihood is a criminal." If they wanted to use the lower standard of the SoE, they needed to arrest them under the SoE... or put another way, for violating an SoE provision.
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Your rights can be violated even if you're not prosecuted.
Agreed.
If the detention is "reasonable" then I would agree that they can't sue... or more accurately, they could sue, but likely won't succeed.
He did say that, they could sue but would probably not succeed but again not for what you described but for what I stated earlier. In fact, when asked how come the lawyers for the freed men saying they going to sue, the man say "are these attorneys of any note??" In other words is ah setta pip squeak attorneys that talking, dem eh know one arse.....and he said it in that loose cannon kind of way he have..... ::)
I wish you could have heard the discussion because with your legal mind you may pick up on something I didn't.....
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Your rights can be violated even if you're not prosecuted.
Agreed.
If the detention is "reasonable" then I would agree that they can't sue... or more accurately, they could sue, but likely won't succeed.
He did say that, they could sue but would probably not succeed but again not for what you described but for what I stated earlier. In fact, when asked how come the lawyers for the freed men saying they going to sue, the man say "are these attorneys of any note??" In other words is ah setta pip squeak attorneys that talking, dem eh know one arse.....and he said it in that loose cannon kind of way he have..... ::)
I wish you could have heard the discussion because with your legal mind you may pick up on something I didn't.....
Well, speaking as a wanna-be, pretend pipsqueak attorney mihself... I guess de ress ah we just ent bright as he. My pipsqueak mind telling mih that what he saying eh making no sense... but ah guess time will tell.
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I just came across this and thought I'd share it.
Ghandi's 7 Dangers to Human Virtues
1. Wealth without work
2. Pleasure without Conscience
3. Knowledge without Character
4. Business without Ethics
5. Science without Humanity
6. Religion without Sacrifice
7. Politics without Principle
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allyuh dutty babbylon destroying my weed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
war
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D WC footballer from d Beetham was freed 2day. NOT ENUFF EVIDENCE. Where have I heard dat b4?
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I just came across this and thought I'd share it.
Ghandi's 7 Dangers to Human Virtues
1. Wealth without work
2. Pleasure without Conscience
3. Knowledge without Character
4. Business without Ethics
5. Science without Humanity
6. Religion without Sacrifice
7. Politics without Principle
The 2011 Trini version:
1. Wealth without accountability
2. Pleasure without nite clubs
3. Knowledge without ability
4. Business without profits
5. Science without Hospitals
6. Religion without morals
7. Politics without human rights
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SOE Discussion going on right now on C-TV!
Go here if you wish to view/listen in: http://www.ctntworld.com/livestream
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I just came across this and thought I'd share it.
Ghandi's 7 Dangers to Human Virtues
1. Wealth without work
2. Pleasure without Conscience
3. Knowledge without Character
4. Business without Ethics
5. Science without Humanity
6. Religion without Sacrifice
7. Politics without Principle
The 2011 Trini version:
1. Wealth without accountability
2. Pleasure without nite clubs
3. Knowledge without ability
4. Business without profits
5. Science without Hospitals
6. Religion without morals
7. Politics without human rights
;D
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Marijuana eradication exercises continue
Friday 7th October, 2011
Officers have destroyed $115 million worth of marijuana in an eradication exercises in the Biche Charuma forest.
According to Ms Sharon Lee Assang of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service, the exercise was conducted by officers of the Eastern Division Task Force, the Defence Force, and Organised Crime, Narcotics and Firearms Bureau on Thursday, between the hours of 11:30am and 3:30pm.
She said, "They destroyed 6 marijuana fields comprising 115,000 marijuana trees, 300 seedlings, one camp and 80 kilogrammes of cured marijuana, all totaling $115 million."
Another marijuana eradication exercise took place between the hours of 5:30am and 2pm on Thursday at Paramin.
Officers, led by Inspector Dan and members of the Western Division Tactical Unit, went to Saut d'Eau Hill where they destroyed 35,000 young marijuana plants and a camp. No arrests were made.
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=32866
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http://www.youtube.com/v/ZCwfA3LZr4I
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http://www.youtube.com/v/ZCwfA3LZr4I
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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The 2011 Trini version:
1. Wealth without accountability
2. Pleasure without nite clubs
3. Knowledge without ability
4. Business without profits
5. Science without Hospitals
6. Religion without morals
7. Politics without human rights
that about sums it up
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Somebody clean out de weed real fast.
But SOMEBODY letting de cocaine pass.
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Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar is attempting to shift responsibility for the state of emergency from the political directorate to the security forces, Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley charged yesterday.
Speaking at a news conference, at the Opposition Leader's office, Charles Street, Port of Spain, Rowley said, "In the face of the embarrassing out-turn of the emergency developments which respect to the releasing of persons who were detained for lack of evidence, Government, which drove this process, was now seeking to distance itself from the fiasco and put the blame for the state of emergency unto the police."
Persad-Bissessar stated on Thursday that the Cabinet had accepted the recommendation of the security forces that the state of emergency and curfew remain because they (law enforcement) needed more time since the state of emergency was a valuable tool in the arsenal in the fight against crime.
Rowley said the history would show that it was the political directorate in the absence of the Commissioner of Police (Dwayne Gibbs) from the country, which declared the state of emergency, driven by the Prime Minister and Minister of National Security.
The Commissioner heard about the state of emergency from Brazil, having been granted permission to go there two days before the state of emergency was announced, Rowley said.
Now, claimed Rowley, the "political initiative is going sour" and the Prime Minister was seeking to shift the ground for the state of emergency and its outcome from the political directorate to the police.
Noting that the "big justification" for the state of emergency was to enhance the State's ability to deal with gang-related crime, Rowley said from the time the court started throwing out the gang-related cases, the police stopped picking up people under the Anti-Gang Act.
Rowley added: "In the first two weeks of the state of emergency, (Attorney General Anand) Ramlogan and (National Security Minister Brig John) Sandy were in our faces every day (in the media). When the matters came to the court and the court intervened against the abuse of the law ... both Ramlogan and Sandy stopping appearing in the media. We will not allow them to drop this in the lap of the police. It was a political choice and those who made that choice must stand by the outcome and take responsibility. The same way they were taking credit for it in the beginning, they must take credit for the final out-turn."
Rowley slammed the Attorney General "for threatening people" who seek to take legal action if they believe that they have been wrongfully arrested, malicious prosecution or false imprisonment.
"The Attorney General whose duty it is to protect citizens' rights is saying to you if you attempt to prosecute a case for false imprisonment, he would fight you in the court to prevent you getting justice. ... And he is interpreting any objection to this as a defence of criminals and that anyone who objects to his recklessness is supporting the hero-worshipping of criminal. We reject that," the Opposition Leader said.
On Ramlogan's statement that these persons should not expect a big payout, Rowley said: "That is not for him to decide. That is for the independent judiciary. The outcome of any lawsuit and the quantum of any compensation is not a matter for the Attorney General. Is it that it is only when he is in private practice that you could challenge the State and get money? Once again he is overstepping his bounds."
Rowley said the People National Movement (PNM) was affected by the state of emergency which prevents assembly of persons.
He said he had instructed the party's General Secretary, Ashton Ford, to write to the Commissioner of Police for permission to hold a public meeting at Piggot's Corner, in Belmont on the Friday after the presentation of the 2012-2013 Budget, which is something the PNM has traditionally done.
Noting that the unions were denied permission to march in Tobago, Rowley said a member of the coalition government (the Tobago Organisation of the People) was given permission.
"So let us hear what the CoP has to say," he said.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Rowley__PM_trying_to_put_SoE_responsibility_on_the_police-131374138.html
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Most sensible thing Rowley has said...and it sure seems so.
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Most sensible thing Rowley has said...and it sure seems so.
Of course dey throw d police under d bus.
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UN figures contradicting Govt claim
Govt: Rise in murders due to decline in drug trafficking
By Kevin Baldeosingh
Story Created: Oct 8, 2011 at 11:44 PM ECT
Story Updated: Oct 8, 2011 at 11:44 PM ECT
A decline in drug trafficking has caused the murder rate to increase in Trinidad and Tobago, according to a recent report from the United Nations.
This was one of the reasons given by the Government for instituting the State of Emergency. But the report's own statistics for drug seizures appear to contradict this claim.
In announcing the State of Emergency on August 21, Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar stated: "I am advised that one of the causations for the spike in murders is ironically linked to the success by the police in the discovery of large drug hauls, with values in excess of twenty million dollars in just one raid."
The Prime Minister was referring to a cocaine haul, with an estimated street value of $22 million, made at Piarco International Airport on August 16.
She added, "These large sums of money simply do not disappear from the drug trade without consequences, and in some of the cases now occurring, this is the result."
In Parliament, on September 2, moving a motion to extend the State of Emergency, National Security Minister John Sandy noted that, "The country has been witnessing within recent times the tragedy of multiple murders and an upsurge in gang-related violence. Over the space of 76 hours there were 11 murders..."
Between 1999 and 2008, there was a steady increase in murders in T&T. The UN's Office of Drugs and Crime (UNODC) Global Study on Homicide 2011 reports, "...while drug trafficking flows were diminishing, as indicated by declining quantities of drug seizures, homicide rates increased in ten out of 11 Caribbean countries for which data are available. Part of the reason for this increase in lethal violence can be traced to increased competition between drug trafficking organisations fighting for their share of a diminished market."
The report notes that drug trafficking in the region has dropped steadily over the past 15 years.
"Between 1997 and 2009, drug seizures in the Caribbean decreased by 71 per cent," says the report. In 1997, 30 per cent of the cocaine bound for the United States passed through the Caribbean; by 2009, this had been reduced to just ten per cent. Now, most of the cocaine passes through Central American countries, and those nations have seen their homicide rates spike.
"In the last five years, homicide rates have increased in five out of eight countries in Central America, with some countries seeing their rate more than double in the same period," says the UNODC report.
"These trends are largely attributable to fluctuations in cocaine trafficking in Central America, which can lead to criminal conflicts as a result of both increases and decreases in drug flows, with the latter particularly resulting in increased competition between drug trafficking groups."
However, if the UNODC is claiming that both increases and decreases in drug trafficking lead to more murders, this means its analysts are unable to prove the cause and effect that they posit.
And the report's own statistics for T&T show no clear link in either scenario.
For example, drug seizures in this country spiked in 2001 and 2005. But there was no spike in murders in 2001 or 2002, just a steady upward climb.
And, while there was jump in homicides in 2005, this dropped in 2006. On the other side of the coin, drug seizures dropped drastically in 2007, but the next murder spike occurred in 2008.
Table 1, below, shows that neither drug seizures nor local drug-related offences correlate, either negatively or positively, with the number of murders.
If the UNODC's claims were correct, then there should have been spikes either when drug seizures increased or decreased. This is not the case.
And if the Government's claims were accurate, gang-related murders should have risen every year there were large drug seizures.
In 2005, 1.75 tonnes of pure cocaine, with an estimated street value of over $700 million, were seized from a house on Monos Island.
That year did see an increase in murders, but only ten of the 386 were classified as drug-related and 81 as gang-related. In 2006, 77 of the 391 murders were drug-related. By contrast, gang-related murders spiked in 2007 and 2008—the same years when drug seizures dropped, and when 44 and 35 murders, respectively, were drug-related.
Since August 21, when the State of Emergency was declared, 745 persons have been arrested for drug offences, and an estimated $750 million worth of drug seized.
However, this sum is almost entirely accounted for by marijuana rather than the cocaine which is transshipped through Trinidad from South America.
And not one person among the 745 arrested has been charged in relation to these large shipments.
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The problem with statistics is that they can be massaged to suit the person (or organistation) issuing them.
For example, I can categorically state that while 70% or statistics are accurate, a further 42% are inaccurate.
And, actually, the above joke has some truth. For instance, say 3 men are arrested for murdering a drug dealer who they have a personal vendetta against. They are not charged with any drug offences, therefore they may not be recorded as drug homocides. What if an informant is murdered by a drug gang? Is that recorded as drug related? On the other hand, a man and his family may be murdered and drugs stolen. Are the innocent family victims of drug crime?
Another issue with these figures is that perhaps the police just didn't catch many drug dealers in some years. Or maybe there was widespread corruption that encouraged the police to look the other way? Maybe they knew the deals were going down, but there was not enough evidence to go to trial, or even obtain a search warrant?
You can only report what you know. These figures could be way off. But I think the general rule is that drug dealing relates to murder. If there are lots of murders, you have to look for the reason, and its usually gang related, which means either drugs or prostitution.
The failure of the police in T&T is not to apprehend the murderers, but not to tackle the root source - drugs. Whichever political party is in charge, they have to declare a permanent war on drugs. That means massive public awareness of the dangers of drugs, drug rehabilitation programmes, random testing in key industries, undercover insertions into drug gangs, increase in border patrols, better technology to detect drugs in transit etc.
Govts obviously see the spending of huge resources on anti drug programmes as unimportant. Instead, look at the cost we're all paying now. In my view, part of the post SOE crime plan should include the following:
Setting up of a special undercover drug squad led by a "drug czar" from somewhere like Colombia, USA, even Russia. Personnel would be recruited from overseas and based in a secure unit so there would be no chance of corruption. The unit would be shrouded in secrecy much like the British SAS regiment. Intelligence would be obtained by undercover agents and comprehensive surveillance teams.
Basically, given time and resources, infiltrating and smashing a drug ring is reletively simple. You observe the street dealers and follow the trail. Eventually a dealer meets a boss. The boss meets a a drug baron. The drug baron communicates with the financer. Simple.
The drug czar would also be responsible for user detection and rehabilitation. By embarking on zero tolerance, users would be arrested after doing their deal. (You don't arrest the dealer, as you want to follow him). Once the buyer has left the scene, a snatch squad picks him up. Using increased tariffs for users, the buyer has two choices.... prison or rehabilitation. The rehab would allow the user to continue his career under supervision using tags and random drug testing.
This would be coupled with a massive anti drug school campaign, educating kids on the realities of drug abuse. Every school would have an appointed drug councillor and Universities would have their own anti drug police with regular sniffer dog patrols. Once the buyers dry up, the market is less appealing and drug offences would reduce.
This would all be expensive, but the money saved by the reduction in crimes such as murder, street robberies and even medical care would make it more cost effective.
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Are UWI students paid to post pro-Govt comments?
'Campus Chronicle' investigates...
Trinidad Express
By Faine Richards faine@mycampuschronicle.com
Story Created: Oct 9, 2011 at 9:49 PM ECT
Story Updated: Oct 9, 2011 at 9:49 PM ECT
An organisation purporting to work for the People's Partnership is allegedly paying university students to inundate newspaper websites and Internet chat forums with pro-government sentiment.
A Campus Chronicle investigation found that the organisation—known only as 'tntgoodblogs'—hires students to post reader comments below news stories on the Trinidad Express, Trinidad Guardian and Newsday websites in praise of Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar and her government.
University students recruited for the covert propaganda campaign who spoke to the Campus Chronicle on condition of anonymity, said students are also paid to author comments or 'blogs' that attack the Opposition and counter anti-government opinions expressed by other bloggers.
In addition to receiving monetary payment, student bloggers are also promised a free BlackBerry with unlimited Internet access to allow them to frequently post comments online during classes.
Minister of Foreign Affairs and Communications, Dr Suruj Rambachan, told the Campus Chronicle he was unaware that any such operation exists.
The "bloggers project" targets students at the University of the West Indies (UWI) through a series of flyers posted on notice boards across the St Augustine campus.
The flyers invite resumes from students who are "intelligent, patriotic and enjoy sharing (their) views" and who seek to "have a sense of power associated with the changing of minds (Paradigm Shift)".
"I expected being able to talk about my own opinions on current affairs, that was my first impression of it," said a female UWI student who applied for the project. "But it was totally different.
"Instead of what the flyer said about you giving your opinion, it was pretty much that they would tell you what to say," she revealed.
Neither the name of the employer nor contact information for anyone overseeing the project is disclosed on the flyer. Interested students are simply told to send an email to tntgoodblogs@hotmail.com.
In response, applicants receive a phone call from a woman who only identifies herself as Marsha.
A female UWI student said Marsha told her, "We're going to sway the ideas of the public by speaking positively about what's going on."
That objective was reiterated in detailed email instructions specifying the frequency and content of the blogs students would be paid to post online.
In addition to blogging on all three newspaper websites, the email correspondence obtained by the Campus Chronicle directed students to write in support of the People's Partnership on certain Yahoo chat groups. Two of the more popular Yahoo groups targeted by the blogging operation are 'theunitedvoice' and 'Caribbean Talk'. Both forums are devoted to discussions on politics, news and current affairs.
In one of the documents attached to the email, an unnamed author explained, "Organisations contract 'tntgoodblogs' to promote their image products. We are compensated when we provide intelligent, positive and persuasive blogs for the contracted organisations."
But three UWI students who applied for the job told the Campus Chronicle that Marsha was more explicit during telephone conversations.
"She stated the People's Partnership had hired them," one girl recalled.
When contacted by the Campus Chronicle about the bloggers project, Minister Rambachan said, "I really don't know anything about this, you're the first to bring this to my attention. I have to investigate it and see if I can get to the bottom of it."
Asked whether he was concerned that tntgoodblogs claims to be doing work for the People's Partnership, Minister Rambachan said, "There's nothing to say until I investigate it."
In an email dated July 26 and sent to a batch of ten students who applied to the bloggers project, the anonymous author directed bloggers to flood newspaper websites and chat groups with support for the resignation of then Minister of Works and Transport and FIFA Vice President Jack Warner, from the international football body.
But the students were also mandated to cast doubt on whether Minister Warner should retain his Cabinet post.
"QUERY HIS CURRENT POLITICAL STANDING," the email urged student recruits. "QUESTION HIS REMAINING IN POLITICS. (GO ANTI PEOPLE'S PARTY FOR HIM. Jack is yet to clarify the issues to the people.) His integrity is questionable, especially as the person who has much access to our resources.
"Call me for clarification if needed," the email's author added.
The students who spoke to the Campus Chronicle said that directive triggered concerns which ultimately led to their decision not to work for the bloggers project.
One student recalled, "I sat and thought about it and said, 'I don't know if I want to get involved in this.' So I decided not to, it sounded scary."
"From that point, I was like, 'something in this not right,'" said another student.
The email also instructed students to blog in favour of Minister of Health Dr Fuad Khan deciding to cease his private medical practice.
Amid concerns about a conflict of interest after it was discovered that the Minister continued to see patients while managing the nation's health system, the paid bloggers were ordered to focus attention on Minister Khan's choice to give up his private urology practice instead of his Cabinet post.
"He was called to serve in the Cabinet at short notice and accepted the call because of the crisis that exists within the health sector," the email guided students to write of the Health Minister.
Instructions in a subsequent email said, "So we should applaud him for choosing country over a self...a couple hundred sick who are in need."
Tntgoodblogs recommended that students use facts and quotations to substantiate their arguments. "Doesn't this sound like the approach for a University assignment?" the email's author remarked.
The Opposition is deliberately targeted by the bloggers project, with students being instructed to dispute statements made by other bloggers who support the People's National Movement.
"I AM GIVING YOU THE CHANCE TO BATTLE HEAD ON WITH THE OPPOSITION BLOGGERS!" an email from tntgoodblogs dated August 2 told student bloggers. "YES, YOU CHOOSE OPPOSITION BLOGGERS AND TARGET THEIR BLOGS AND HIT THEM ONE FOR ONE. NO MERCY. START ARGUMENTS, BE BOLD AND STAND UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN!!!"
One of the students who withdrew from the propaganda campaign said she had concerns about trying to obstruct the free expression of opinion.
"If you look at some of the counter blogs (that paid student bloggers post), they are really insulting to people," she told the Campus Chronicle. "For you to dissuade me from giving my opinion because you are supporting it and getting paid for it, it's not fair.
"I just think it's wrong, immoral. It's just unethical," she said.
Students who submitted neutral blogs were chastised by Marsha.
"She said if I had an issue before I could have come out and tell her but then in the same breath she contradicted herself," one student recalled, "and said how I am a rookie and I am on (a one-week) trial and I don't have a say… she gives me something to write, I have to write on it."
The underground blogging operation strictly prohibits its student bloggers from using their real names. Instead, bloggers are required to present the orchestrated comments under the guise of multiple aliases or screen names.
To create a significant pro-government presence on newspaper websites and chat forums, every student blogger is required to submit a minimum of five comments daily.
Should student bloggers pass a one-week trial period, the anonymous author of the email promised to give them "a free BlackBerry and free Internet access" to help them blog throughout the day from any location.
A female UWI student recalled discussing payment with Marsha over the phone.
"The first week would be $300, if she kept us on, and we were getting a BlackBerry with unlimited Internet and she said she ran the numbers…and I would make $3000- $4000 a month."
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Last week I managed to see the end of a CNMG newscast in which they conducted a poll with the question "Do you support the idea of the National Consultation on housing and land use ?" I shook my head. What kind of non-question is that ?The 'poll' results showed 98% support for the consultation as if this was ever some kind of controversial issue or something.There were text messages as well that read "That's democracy, bring it on !" and " I definitely support this idea" They deliberately chose a question and worded it to show support for the Government. The firing of Fazeer Mohammed , complaints to the board abourt interference with news items and the resignations of of key personnel at CNMG is testament to the propaganda campaign that is taking place. You can't watch the news without seeing that snake Andy Johnson for a Government Information Services Limited (GISL) feature.
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Very dangerous & bias political stuff going on in the T&T media!
I believe this sort of paid political blogging started before the last T&T elections and was a major factor in helping to sway public opinion.
And of course most PP government ministers would deny knowledge of such things happening as it is secretely going on and helping to sway opinions to their political advantage!
Don’t be surprised if we have a couple of paid political bloggers who also post regularly on this SW.net site.
The sudden appearance of certain fellas like Jack Horner who go out of their way to defend Jack with so much zeal points to that. Mr Horner is relatively new here and has no idea that 90% of posters here are fully clued up on Jack and the damage he has done to our football.
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Wow!! :o
Jah Gol, how much de PP paying yuh boy?? lol
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http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2011/10/10/moving-after-soe-nightmare
He looks down and his mellow voice drops when he speaks about his six weeks behind bars. But as soon as Keon Quow picks up a football, the connection to what has been the source of his comfort and stability in recent years lifts his sprit. And he smiles, a broad gap-toothed grin. Last Friday, as the sun set on Beetham Gardens, Quow, savouring his second day of freedom after failed “gang” charges, was in his natural element—outside training neighbourhood youngsters playing football. Vehicles beeped as they passed Quow that evening. Passers-by looked his way and smiled. A woman driving by hailed out: “I so glad to see you, m’boy!”
The day before, Quow and seven other Beetham residents had become the latest statistics attesting to the failure of the Anti-Gang legislation wielded in the Government’s state of emergency (SoE). Quow, 22, a striker with the local Pro-League team W Connection, walked out of Port-of-Spain Magistrates’ Court with his two cousins, also accused of being in a “gang.” Back home, Quow immediately cut his hair which had grown out and hours after being freed, returned to football training and a huge reception from his teammates. He was on the field up to last Saturday. Neither police officers nor Quow might have applied the word “irony” to the situation which arose during the first week of the state of emergency when he was taken away from Beetham. Quow, formerly with the National Under-20 football team, had played for the Police Football Club last Pro-League season.
An orphan, Quow has lived with his two brothers and sister in Beetham all his life and is now the family breadwinner. As a boy, unusual skills on the football field rather than usual secondary schooling gave him the direction he needed. Quow was in coaching school by the age of 15. Later, came a stint with the Fire Services football club, then the Police Club where he was based for two years before being spotted by W Connection. With his first contract, Quow opened a bank account, moved out of his then residence and found a place for his siblings and himself. Quow had been asleep after practice, when police knocked on his door around 1 am on the fateful August night.
He recalled: “They pulled me out, my brother Kevin and my cousins. They didn’t tell us anything. I kept asking if I could still go to training next day because my tournament was coming up.” He added: “I really beg. I beg, I beg them to let me go because I train so hard for the season and a big match was coming up.” “Nobody against the police for their work, but I have no record. I thought they would have checked it out properly. But the day after they held us, a man bring a book and started charging everybody. Then they sent us Golden Grove.”
Five to a cell. No information.
“Even the turnkeys couldn’t understand what was happening. They tried to deal with us as best as possible,” Quow added. Deprived of daily training and confined to the small cell, Quow became depressed. He didn’t do push-ups for fear of contracting a rash from the cell floor. He lost weight. “I cried. I real cried for days. It was real painful in there. Real pain, real pain. I never know I’d reach there,” Quow mused, head bent. “I missed training. I was frustrated as I was really prepared for the season. I was trying hard to reach the Under-23 National team and the big game against Rangers for the Pro League opening was the following week.
“And I was frightened. We heard they could hold you for 120 days. I prayed a lot. They give us Bibles to read. That used to calm me down. “They give us little puzzle books too. Being locked down 24/7, it was real hard in there, like you going mad—like a bad, bad dream,” he said. His brother and others helped buoy his spirits. Quow also busied himself looking forward to rejoining his team. The day of the Rangers’ game, his thoughts were with teammates all day, he said. “I kept asking the turnkeys if they win. I say if they win, they’d give me victory to come out too and things start to shape up after they win in truth.”
When Quow arrived home last Thursday, residents bombarded him with hugs, kisses and tears. “Because they know I’m not the type of person to be in gangs. And I’ll never be,” Quow said. That was the only time in the interview his voice turned firm. Quow continued, “No matter what they do, I’ll never be. Or who they feel I am because of where I’m living. That doesn’t mean that sort of thing have to get in me.” He said: “I want to be a professional footballer. I wanted to make it to Concacaf. But if I went overseas and they check and see this situation—what will happen? This could destroy people.” “I just want to live in peace and not be harassed or wrongfully arrested. They look at us in Beetham and try to bring us down to a low level but there are good people here,” Quow said.
Quow’s attorney Pennelope Beckles said: “What happened is very unfortunate. I’ve no doubt Quow is innocent. He has no convictions or pending matters—he’s simply a victim of where he lives.” “He earned a decent living. He could have left Beetham. But he stays because he’s a positive inspiration for youths.” Beckles added: “I hope this doesn’t affect his career and that those looking to crime or are in it, see how badly others who aren’t, can be hurt.” Whether Quow becomes a Beetham success story or whether his SoE experience will foil his football career, is in fate’s hands. For his part, it also resides in his feet. Quow added, “Despite all this, I keep a positive vibe. I just hope nobody link me with this or hold me again. I’m hoping for the best and to do what I do best.”
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Penny on I95 now talkin bout d Bill and her client
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I really admire Quow's humility and maturity at this incident. I sincerely hope he is innocent. Its shocking that W.Connection didn't unify football to contest this imprisonment. If FPATT had been in existence, this would have been a global story. Every ProLeague game should have had an organised protest. People in this country really have to unite behind causes.
With regard to the UWI propaganda story, this should immediately be investigated by the secret service (I'm not sure which name they use on a monday!) This is an immoral use of taxpayers services and peoples heads must roll. The manipulation of GISL is offensive. Yes, its the govt channel, but in a democracy it must not be used to gain political capital. This is all very 1984 and, again, the people should demand answers.
If you read a story about an African nation controlling the news, enlisting popular music artists, forming secret propoganda groups, denying basic human rights, having the power to arrest without evidence or warrant, prevention of public meetings and imposing a national curfew, you would believe it was an Idi Amin style communist dictatorship.
T&T is no longer a bastion of democracy and freedom. Colonial style government is returning to these islands. A cynic may even say "We threw out the whites, only to be ruled by the Indians"
As you may be able to deduce, I, as yet, have not been approached to work for tntgoodblogs, but if you're reading this, can I just say that Kamla is doing a wonderful job and I can't believe how happy everyone is T&T is at the moment now that crime is eradicated. Good job P.P. :bs:
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Wow!! :o
Jah Gol, how much de PP paying yuh boy?? lol
I'm a volunteer.
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People in this country really have to unite behind causes.
Unite behind causes??!! :o FS, you not here long enough apparently......you want me to pull back the responses to the initial post when this footballer got locked up??
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Look at what happen to Quow, yet the jackass attorney general seems to be warning people about suing the authorities ::)
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Are UWI students paid to post pro-Govt comments?
'Campus Chronicle' investigates...
Trinidad Express
By Faine Richards faine@mycampuschronicle.com
Story Created: Oct 9, 2011 at 9:49 PM ECT
Story Updated: Oct 9, 2011 at 9:49 PM ECT
An organisation purporting to work for the People's Partnership is allegedly paying university students to inundate newspaper websites and Internet chat forums with pro-government sentiment.
A Campus Chronicle investigation found that the organisation—known only as 'tntgoodblogs'—hires students to post reader comments below news stories on the Trinidad Express, Trinidad Guardian and Newsday websites in praise of Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar and her government.
University students recruited for the covert propaganda campaign who spoke to the Campus Chronicle on condition of anonymity, said students are also paid to author comments or 'blogs' that attack the Opposition and counter anti-government opinions expressed by other bloggers.
In addition to receiving monetary payment, student bloggers are also promised a free BlackBerry with unlimited Internet access to allow them to frequently post comments online during classes.
Minister of Foreign Affairs and Communications, Dr Suruj Rambachan, told the Campus Chronicle he was unaware that any such operation exists.
The "bloggers project" targets students at the University of the West Indies (UWI) through a series of flyers posted on notice boards across the St Augustine campus.
The flyers invite resumes from students who are "intelligent, patriotic and enjoy sharing (their) views" and who seek to "have a sense of power associated with the changing of minds (Paradigm Shift)".
"I expected being able to talk about my own opinions on current affairs, that was my first impression of it," said a female UWI student who applied for the project. "But it was totally different.
"Instead of what the flyer said about you giving your opinion, it was pretty much that they would tell you what to say," she revealed.
Neither the name of the employer nor contact information for anyone overseeing the project is disclosed on the flyer. Interested students are simply told to send an email to tntgoodblogs@hotmail.com.
In response, applicants receive a phone call from a woman who only identifies herself as Marsha.
A female UWI student said Marsha told her, "We're going to sway the ideas of the public by speaking positively about what's going on."
That objective was reiterated in detailed email instructions specifying the frequency and content of the blogs students would be paid to post online.
In addition to blogging on all three newspaper websites, the email correspondence obtained by the Campus Chronicle directed students to write in support of the People's Partnership on certain Yahoo chat groups. Two of the more popular Yahoo groups targeted by the blogging operation are 'theunitedvoice' and 'Caribbean Talk'. Both forums are devoted to discussions on politics, news and current affairs.
In one of the documents attached to the email, an unnamed author explained, "Organisations contract 'tntgoodblogs' to promote their image products. We are compensated when we provide intelligent, positive and persuasive blogs for the contracted organisations."
But three UWI students who applied for the job told the Campus Chronicle that Marsha was more explicit during telephone conversations.
"She stated the People's Partnership had hired them," one girl recalled.
When contacted by the Campus Chronicle about the bloggers project, Minister Rambachan said, "I really don't know anything about this, you're the first to bring this to my attention. I have to investigate it and see if I can get to the bottom of it."
Asked whether he was concerned that tntgoodblogs claims to be doing work for the People's Partnership, Minister Rambachan said, "There's nothing to say until I investigate it."
In an email dated July 26 and sent to a batch of ten students who applied to the bloggers project, the anonymous author directed bloggers to flood newspaper websites and chat groups with support for the resignation of then Minister of Works and Transport and FIFA Vice President Jack Warner, from the international football body.
But the students were also mandated to cast doubt on whether Minister Warner should retain his Cabinet post.
"QUERY HIS CURRENT POLITICAL STANDING," the email urged student recruits. "QUESTION HIS REMAINING IN POLITICS. (GO ANTI PEOPLE'S PARTY FOR HIM. Jack is yet to clarify the issues to the people.) His integrity is questionable, especially as the person who has much access to our resources.
"Call me for clarification if needed," the email's author added.
The students who spoke to the Campus Chronicle said that directive triggered concerns which ultimately led to their decision not to work for the bloggers project.
One student recalled, "I sat and thought about it and said, 'I don't know if I want to get involved in this.' So I decided not to, it sounded scary."
"From that point, I was like, 'something in this not right,'" said another student.
The email also instructed students to blog in favour of Minister of Health Dr Fuad Khan deciding to cease his private medical practice.
Amid concerns about a conflict of interest after it was discovered that the Minister continued to see patients while managing the nation's health system, the paid bloggers were ordered to focus attention on Minister Khan's choice to give up his private urology practice instead of his Cabinet post.
"He was called to serve in the Cabinet at short notice and accepted the call because of the crisis that exists within the health sector," the email guided students to write of the Health Minister.
Instructions in a subsequent email said, "So we should applaud him for choosing country over a self...a couple hundred sick who are in need."
Tntgoodblogs recommended that students use facts and quotations to substantiate their arguments. "Doesn't this sound like the approach for a University assignment?" the email's author remarked.
The Opposition is deliberately targeted by the bloggers project, with students being instructed to dispute statements made by other bloggers who support the People's National Movement.
"I AM GIVING YOU THE CHANCE TO BATTLE HEAD ON WITH THE OPPOSITION BLOGGERS!" an email from tntgoodblogs dated August 2 told student bloggers. "YES, YOU CHOOSE OPPOSITION BLOGGERS AND TARGET THEIR BLOGS AND HIT THEM ONE FOR ONE. NO MERCY. START ARGUMENTS, BE BOLD AND STAND UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN!!!"
One of the students who withdrew from the propaganda campaign said she had concerns about trying to obstruct the free expression of opinion.
"If you look at some of the counter blogs (that paid student bloggers post), they are really insulting to people," she told the Campus Chronicle. "For you to dissuade me from giving my opinion because you are supporting it and getting paid for it, it's not fair.
"I just think it's wrong, immoral. It's just unethical," she said.
Students who submitted neutral blogs were chastised by Marsha.
"She said if I had an issue before I could have come out and tell her but then in the same breath she contradicted herself," one student recalled, "and said how I am a rookie and I am on (a one-week) trial and I don't have a say… she gives me something to write, I have to write on it."
The underground blogging operation strictly prohibits its student bloggers from using their real names. Instead, bloggers are required to present the orchestrated comments under the guise of multiple aliases or screen names.
To create a significant pro-government presence on newspaper websites and chat forums, every student blogger is required to submit a minimum of five comments daily.
Should student bloggers pass a one-week trial period, the anonymous author of the email promised to give them "a free BlackBerry and free Internet access" to help them blog throughout the day from any location.
A female UWI student recalled discussing payment with Marsha over the phone.
"The first week would be $300, if she kept us on, and we were getting a BlackBerry with unlimited Internet and she said she ran the numbers…and I would make $3000- $4000 a month."
:thinking: I've seen this playbook before ... albeit better perfected but curiously similar. Imagine how the off-campus version functions.
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Millions worth of marijuana destroyed in Biche
Thursday 13th October, 2011
Police have again destroyed millions of dollars worth of marijuana in an eradication exercise in the Biche forest.
Officers of the Eastern Division and the Organised Crime Narcotics and Firearms Bureau (OCNFB) conducted the exercise on Wednesday October 12th.
They destroyed 90,000 marijuana trees and 6,000 seedlings in the Biche Forest - all with a street value of $19 million.
Police said the land space used to grow the marijuana occupied almost seven plots of land. No arrests were made.
In a separate exercise, officers in the North Eastern Division arrested and charged a man from Maraj Street, El Socorro after he was found with 150 grammes of cocaine in his possession. The value of the illegal substance was put at $60,000.
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=33232
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alyuh see smoke in the forest? they show the army truck with the weed. Did they show them burning it in Chag. encinerator?
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November 6th or December 9th.......seeing conflicting dates in the papers
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November 6th or December 9th.......seeing conflicting dates in the papers
Yeah it confusing me too.....when I hear people say November I think they are counting from the original start in August. The December date is counted from the after the initial 15 days.....
Whenever the end is (and it better be before Carnival), this is turning out to be one big joke and a pack ah :bs: :bs:.....but what the hell do I know....... ::) ::)
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yeah whatever good they could of done with it has turned into fowlf**kery since all the cases doh have evidence..........let me go see if any of the government websites have an accurate date :rotfl:
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Grace under pressure
By Marlon Miller
SEVEN weeks into the State of Emergency and most people have got accustomed to the regulated hours of the curfew. Limers who used to leave the pavement on Ariapita Avenue at minutes to 11 are now setting out for home at 10.15. But you know they're still stopping at the last open watering hole on the Avenue for a night cap.
Others who are getting on in age and soon to hit 50 years old say they don't mind the restrictions.
"You get to bed early and wake up fresh in the morning."
Another who has had his share of run-ins with the law over the years and now seems to be a respectable citizen says they should leave the State of Emergency for a year to make sure it really serves its purpose.
What, you mad?! You don't know that other people are already thinking about Carnival and getting a bit worried. In the meantime, the poor PNM had its request to hold a public meeting turned down. And for the first time in a while people will listen to what Keith Rowley has to say and not study Colm Imbert's school- boy behaviour in the Parliament on Budget Day.
But back to things of more importance, like Carnival. You think if Kamla Persad-Bissessar wants to win another general election she is going to leave the SoE until next February, far less Christmas. One guy said that election would be in 2012 instead of 2015 if the People's Partnership fools around with the people's party.
That fella has already planned that when the curfew is finally lifted, he will leave home just before 11 o'clock to go to a fete and not head back until 4 a.m.
"And I'll be taking my time driving home."
It goes without saying that for the first few nights of the 9 p.m. curfew in the week after August 21, the Indianapolis Motor Speedway had nothing on the Mucurapo Foreshore, or the Churchill-Roosevelt Highway, or any other open stretch of road with a house at the end of it.
And, sadly, there have been unnecessary fatalities since that day when Kamla, John Sandy and Anand Ramlogan put their feet down and said "Enough is enough" with rampant crime. And even sadder is that innocent lives have been lost in the mad dash to beat the curfew.
What about those who had to spend a few weeks inside the state prisons in detention—which is what House Speaker Wade Mark should have given Imbert—when the only thing some of these detainees did wrong was reside in a certain area, like the young footballer from Beetham Gardens.
An inspiration to the youth in the neighbourhood, Keon Quow is thankfully still smiling and, hopefully, not too scarred by the whole scary experience of being arrested and detained at Golden Grove.
And, now, the entire State of Emergency exercise is mostly reduced to destroying marijuana plantations.
As another friend exclaimed: "I never see a weed plant shoot anybody!"
But that's another story.
And you think about the major consignment from Jamaica discovered in a container at Point Lisas. As another acquaintance—who likes to keep the Letters Editor busy—enquired, how come our law-enforcement officers didn't let the shipment of "chicken" be delivered and see what transpired.
Who knows, they might have hooked a big fish to throw among all the sardines scattered in jails throughout Trinidad and Tobago.
But not enough to stop all murders, rapes and other capital crimes, committed now even under curfew.
Sure, there has been a reduction in all of the above, but how many of T&T's small percentage of hardened criminals are still out there, waiting to pounce, undetected and slink back into the night.
In the interim, everyone who claims to be law-abiding has to manoeuvre around the hours under lockdown and keep himself or herself entertained.
Near the end of last month, one young wife looked out her window and saw a few vanloads of her husband's friends arriving at her house just before 11 p.m., so you know they had nowhere to go for the next five hours at least.
"And they were all drunk...and hungry," she recalled, not sounding too upset by the whole scenario.
Another bunch who likes to play cards planned to have a poker game at someone's house between the curfew hours, but then the host and hostess thought about what would happen if they were losing and had nowhere to go but listen to the loud mouth of one rather boisterous player who usually strikes it lucky.
So they changed it to an afternoon session and fried a turkey and, there were so many cooks giving advice, they under-cooked the rather large bird and the designated chefs had to wire it together with the skill of old Carnival costume-makers like Cito Velazquez or Harold Saldenha to put it back into the fryer. And someone joked that they might get the turkey in time for Thanksgiving.
It finally was ready for serving just before 10 p.m. and a lovely meal was had by all, capping off a rather enjoyable evening of old talk, picong and plenty laughter. As it is in most every part of Trinidad and Tobago where adaptable Trinbagonians have displayed grace under pressure, all in the hope of finding a better T&T at the end of the State of Emergency.
Those in charge had better get it done before Christmas, though.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/commentaries/Grace_under_pressure-131905443.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/commentaries/Grace_under_pressure-131905443.html)
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Time to break out the Moet.....SEVEN, ah whole SEVEN going on trial....Anand must be wet.... ::) ::) steups!! jokers....
DPP gives okay: 7 for trial on gang charges
By —Akile Simon
SEVEN Sangre Grande men charged with being members of a gang known as the "Deportee Gang" are expected to go on trial at the Sangre Grande Magistrates' Court in the coming weeks. The men were among 17 alleged gangs leaders and members who reappeared before Sangre Grande First Court Magistrate Anna Ryan yesterday. Yesterday was the first time that Director of Public Prosecutions Roger Gaspard decided he will proceed with gang-related charges.
Shawn "Fat Shawn" Homer, 33, is charged with being the leader and a member of the Deportee Gang at McShine Street, Sangre Grande, while Anand Mohepath, 27; Alvin Fitzpatrick, 30; Kadeem "Bully" Romero, 22; brothers Carlos and Marlon Gonzales, ages 31 and 29; including Shawn "X-Man" Sandy, 36, a United States of America deportee, were charged with being alleged members of the same gang.
The charges were laid by Cpl Junior Bernard.
The accused were expecting to be set free yesterday, but all left the courtroom disappointed after Senior State attorney George Busby indicated that Gaspard is interested in pursuing the matters against the men. Busby said Gaspard has reviewed the file against the alleged members of the Deportee Gang and is of the view that there is sufficient evidence to prosecute the men. He asked for an adjournment to prepare, so a date could be set for trial in the matters.
Cuthbert "Lay Lay" Lee, of San Souci, Toco, who was charged by officers of the Organised Crime, Narcotics and Firearms Bureau, under the Anti-Gang legislation, was the only person who was freed yesterday.
Busby told Magistrate Ryan that Gaspard has stated there is insufficient evidence to pursue the charge against Lee, and the case against the accused should be discontinued. There was jubilation outside the courtroom among relatives of Lee as he walked out a free man but sad faces on the scores of relatives of the other men who were taken back to the holding cells at the Sangre Grande Police Station under heavy police guard.
Also before the court on gang-related charges are members of the alleged G-Unit, Blue Pitt gang and an unnamed gang from Toco. Lloyd "LJ" Solomon, 29, is charged with being the leader and a member of the G-Unit, Blue Pitt gang in Wallenville, Sangre Grande, while Ashton "Lappe" Beckles, 24; Victor "Doolie" Trim, 26; and David "Peel" Moore, 25, all of Wallenville Road, were all charged with being members of the same gang.
Trevor "Foxy" King, 36, was charged with being the leader and member of an unnamed gang in Cumana Village, Toco, while Karrel Parvy, 30, and brothers Ron and Reno Sampson, both age 30, were charged with being alleged members of the same gang.
Busby said Gaspard was waiting on further information from the police before he decides on whether he will proceed with the charges against the accused who were charged by PC Verson Jeanville and Cpl Bernard.
He said this information is expected to be made available by next week and asked that the matters against the alleged members of both gangs be adjourned to next Friday. Despite objections by attorneys representing some of the accused, Magistrate Ryan adjourned the matters to next Friday.
The total number of people set free now stands at 133 after Gaspard gave the directive to discontinue the matters as there was insufficient evidence against the accused to mount a successful prosecution.
Since the proclamation of the Act on August 15, 236 people have been charged with being gang members and leaders.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/DPP_gives_okay__7_for_trial_on_gang_charges-131903843.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/DPP_gives_okay__7_for_trial_on_gang_charges-131903843.html)
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Millions worth of marijuana destroyed in Biche
Thursday 13th October, 2011
Police have again destroyed millions of dollars worth of marijuana in an eradication exercise in the Biche forest.
Officers of the Eastern Division and the Organised Crime Narcotics and Firearms Bureau (OCNFB) conducted the exercise on Wednesday October 12th.
They destroyed 90,000 marijuana trees and 6,000 seedlings in the Biche Forest - all with a street value of $19 million.
Police said the land space used to grow the marijuana occupied almost seven plots of land. No arrests were made.
In a separate exercise, officers in the North Eastern Division arrested and charged a man from Maraj Street, El Socorro after he was found with 150 grammes of cocaine in his possession. The value of the illegal substance was put at $60,000.
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=33232
Somebody clean out the weed well fast but somebody letting the cocaine pass!!
http://www.youtube.com/v/SYqLeYJoaBc
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I'm watching all these trees being burnt and trying not to be negative but I have to ask the question. If supply of a product is limited and demand remains constant wouldn't that up the price of existing stock. Given that this product is an illicit drug doesn't that serve as an incentive for more fierce defense of markets (blocks).
That is one of the things I always wonder about in the drug trade. It's almost as if legitimate police work which might net a part of total supply has the effect of driving up prices and adding value to some of the main stakeholders in the trade.
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I'm watching all these trees being burnt and trying not to be negative but I have to ask the question. If supply of a product is limited and demand remains constant wouldn't that up the price of existing stock.
Yes the street value of weed has risen. But i forget the price it going for now. By now im sure it has sky rocketed
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I'm watching all these trees being burnt and trying not to be negative but I have to ask the question. If supply of a product is limited and demand remains constant wouldn't that up the price of existing stock.
Yes the street value of weed has risen. But i forget the price it going for now. By now im sure it has sky rocketed
Its simple economics. Which is my concern about all this. We treating symptoms of the problem..and even then not all. If we allowing drugs, guns etc to enter freely, the higher payout just provides more incentive for men to participate. It cant just be search and destroy...that only deals with part of the issue.
Hopefully I wrong and more is being done.
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Yes the street value of weed has risen. But i forget the price it going for now. By now im sure it has sky rocketed
uuuummmm D.H.W......hhhhhhhmmmm...... :thinking: :-\ ;D
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Yes the street value of weed has risen. But i forget the price it going for now. By now im sure it has sky rocketed
uuuummmm D.H.W......hhhhhhhmmmm...... :thinking: :-\ ;D
:rotfl: slip ah de tongue?
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I'm watching all these trees being burnt and trying not to be negative but I have to ask the question. If supply of a product is limited and demand remains constant wouldn't that up the price of existing stock.
Yes the street value of weed has risen. But i forget the price it going for now. By now im sure it has sky rocketed
Its simple economics. Which is my concern about all this. We treating symptoms of the problem..and even then not all. If we allowing drugs, guns etc to enter freely, the higher payout just provides more incentive for men to participate. It cant just be search and destroy...that only deals with part of the issue.
Hopefully I wrong and more is being done.
Again, this is the problem. Cut off an arm and another grows. Until they find the head and the heart, this animal will flourish. In fact, as noted, its now more profitable than ever as demand outstripping supply. This then has the effect of people not before involved in the trade, seeing big profit opportunities and entering the game. Search and destroy is fine, as long as its twinned with anti drug education programmes and rehab programmes. As usual, the govt just want headlines and soundbites not long term soloutions.
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I'm watching all these trees being burnt and trying not to be negative but I have to ask the question. If supply of a product is limited and demand remains constant wouldn't that up the price of existing stock. Given that this product is an illicit drug doesn't that serve as an incentive for more fierce defense of markets (blocks).
That is one of the things I always wonder about in the drug trade. It's almost as if legitimate police work which might net a part of total supply has the effect of driving up prices and adding value to some of the main stakeholders in the trade.
Personally I'm not too concerned about the price of weed rising... the higher price will result in either reduced consumption or reduced profit. Unlike narcotics weed isn't that addictive that users would be willing to pay whatever the asking price... so I'm all for reducing the supply. I still want to hear what's going on with coke though.
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I'm watching all these trees being burnt and trying not to be negative but I have to ask the question. If supply of a product is limited and demand remains constant wouldn't that up the price of existing stock. Given that this product is an illicit drug doesn't that serve as an incentive for more fierce defense of markets (blocks).
That is one of the things I always wonder about in the drug trade. It's almost as if legitimate police work which might net a part of total supply has the effect of driving up prices and adding value to some of the main stakeholders in the trade.
Personally I'm not too concerned about the price of weed rising... the higher price will result in either reduced consumption or reduced value. Unlike narcotics weed isn't that addictive that users would be willing to pay whatever the asking price... so I'm all for reducing the supply. I still want to hear what's going on with coke though.
Somebody clean out the weed well fast but somebody letting the cocaine pass!!
http://www.youtube.com/v/SYqLeYJoaBc
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Yes the street value of weed has risen. But i forget the price it going for now. By now im sure it has sky rocketed
uuuummmm D.H.W......hhhhhhhmmmm...... :thinking: :-\ ;D
:rotfl: slip ah de tongue?
iz a state of d heart :rotfl:
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Yes the street value of weed has risen. But i forget the price it going for now. By now im sure it has sky rocketed
uuuummmm D.H.W......hhhhhhhmmmm...... :thinking: :-\ ;D
NO NO , I heard it on news :) (to be more specific the daily SOE roundup). :devil: I doh smoke the herbs :devil:
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I didn't read the whole thread, so I'm not sure if this question was answered. But when is the official date for the end of this SOE. Providing it's not extended again that is!
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I didn't read the whole thread, so I'm not sure if this question was answered. But when is the official date for the end of this SOE. Providing it's not extended again that is!
5 Dec I blieve. 2 extend they need d support of d opposition so unless d break it and then pass another 1 which very possible as SOE is now a crime fighting strategy.
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Yes the street value of weed has risen. But i forget the price it going for now. By now im sure it has sky rocketed
uuuummmm D.H.W......hhhhhhhmmmm...... :thinking: :-\ ;D
NO NO , I heard it on news :) (to be more specific the daily SOE roundup). :devil: I doh smoke the herbs :devil:
:whew: ;D
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Question: when our history is written, who will be deemed the intellectual author of the SOE?
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Question: when our history is written, who will be deemed the intellectual author of the SOE?
Probably the AG, in which case we should rebrand the SOE as the SOD from now which is an abbreviation for a State Of Dotishness! >:(
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The police in T&T real shitty. I bet plenty ah dem men they arrested are guilty as charged, jes them so f**king sloppy dat dey do shit half way. Them police is real tears. It look like only Sgt Alexander and he ten men doing any real wuk in T&T!
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9 alleged gang members released
ctntworld.com
Two alleged gang leaders who were arrested at the Hyatt Regency Hotel in August have been freed in court.
On Tuesday, the State yet again conceded, as has been the case recently, that it does not have evidence to proceed with the charges against Cedric Burke and Keon Bain.
Both men will now join a long list of alleged gang leaders and members who are threatening legal action for wrongful arrest.
The Sea Lots men were arrested on August 26th. They appeared before Senior Magistrate Cheryl-Anne Blakea t the Port of Spain Magistrate's Court for a third time on Tuesday morning.
Prosecutor, Sergeant Wendell Lucas, informed the court that the DPP instructed that there was insufficient evidence to proceed and the State offered no further evidence.
Seven others were also freed in the same fashion.
These latest releases bring the number of alleged gang members released since the State of Emergency began on August 22nd to 122.
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Them fishing in ah catch and releash stream or what.
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I'm losing track here. Exactly how many of the arrested people (excluding outstanding warrants, and regular police work such as drunk driving, burning ganja trees etc) have actually been charged?
This is getting ridiculous. Yes over 100 guns have been seized, but what does the govt really have to show for this SOE? Exactly what have they achieved that couldn't be achieved without the SOE?
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I'm losing track here. Exactly how many of the arrested people (excluding outstanding warrants, and regular police work such as drunk driving, burning ganja trees etc) have actually been charged?
This is getting ridiculous. Yes over 100 guns have been seized, but what does the govt really have to show for this SOE? Exactly what have they achieved that couldn't be achieved without the SOE?
I want to see how long this PP government can continue fooling so many dotish Trinis and have them buying and supporting the continuation of this fruitless & unnecessary SOE! :waiting:
Ah wonder what percentage of these recent spike in accidents on the T&T roads are due to men downing their drinks as quickly as possible and then speeding to get home in time to beat the curfew hours? :thinking:
Don't expect the PP government to research and publish these figures anytime soon!
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I'm losing track here. Exactly how many of the arrested people (excluding outstanding warrants, and regular police work such as drunk driving, burning ganja trees etc) have actually been charged?
This is getting ridiculous. Yes over 100 guns have been seized, but what does the govt really have to show for this SOE? Exactly what have they achieved that couldn't be achieved without the SOE?
I want to see how long this PP government can continue fooling so many dotish Trinis and have them buying and supporting the continuation of this fruitless & unnecessary SOE! :waiting:
Ah wonder what percentage of these recent spike in accidents on the T&T roads are due to men downing their drinks as quickly as possible and then speeding to get home in time to beat the curfew hours? :thinking:
Don't expect the PP government to research and publish these figures anytime soon!
huh? it have an SOE in place and men want to leave bar 10.55pm to reach home b4 11.00? liming late so important?
How the SOE to blame for that? - the rest of points valid.
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Two alleged gang leaders who were arrested at the Hyatt Regency Hotel in August have been freed in court.
On Tuesday, the State yet again conceded, as has been the case recently, that it does not have evidence to proceed with the charges against Cedric Burke and Keon Bain.
Both men will now join a long list of alleged gang leaders and members who are threatening legal action for wrongful arrest.
:rotfl: :rotfl:
Oh gorm......Kamla yuh right girl, yuh eh sorry about calling this SOE one bit. Keep it in place. Its probably easier than admitting this SOE is pure BS and wiping eggs off your face.....a pretty one at that.....wouldn't like to see it messed up by eggs.....
FS, I stop trying to keep track long time....I think I saw something going across the screen saying on Monday 62 more were arrested. For what I don't know cuz I'm not listening to those lunch time briefings anymore. In fact I eh even watching news much anymore. When 7 pm reach I does go online and watch The Daily Show with Jon Stewart. The comedy and entertainment is a far better value than what I'm seeing in Parliament/news...... ::)
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I'm losing track here. Exactly how many of the arrested people (excluding outstanding warrants, and regular police work such as drunk driving, burning ganja trees etc) have actually been charged?
This is getting ridiculous. Yes over 100 guns have been seized, but what does the govt really have to show for this SOE? Exactly what have they achieved that couldn't be achieved without the SOE?
I want to see how long this PP government can continue fooling so many dotish Trinis and have them buying and supporting the continuation of this fruitless & unnecessary SOE! :waiting:
Ah wonder what percentage of these recent spike in accidents on the T&T roads are due to men downing their drinks as quickly as possible and then speeding to get home in time to beat the curfew hours? :thinking:
Don't expect the PP government to research and publish these figures anytime soon!
huh? it have an SOE in place and men want to leave bar 10.55pm to reach home b4 11.00? liming late so important?
How the SOE to blame for that? - the rest of points valid.
It’s a valid question I am asking! If you don't have the answer then you need not have commented! ;)
Point I am trying to make to those who are able to work it out is that this SOE is no longer serving any useful purpose!!
I know it’s hard for some folks to get their heads round such a simple logical point because logic seems to have escaped them all together!
In the meantime folks are dying unnecessarily in accidents trying to beat the curfew hours but some men can’t see the logic that the curfew has now gone way pass it useful sell-by date!
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It’s a valid question I am asking! If you don't have the answer then you need not have commented! ;)
Point I am trying to make to those who are able to work it out is that this SOE is no longer serving any useful purpose!!
I know it’s hard for some folks to get their heads round such a simple logical point because logic seems to have escaped them all together!
In the meantime folks are dying unnecessarily in accidents trying to beat the curfew hours but some men can’t see the logic that the curfew has now gone way pass it useful sell-by date![/quote]
You don't get it..... regardless of whether the SOE is right or not it is law. The curfew is law. these people that speed home (more than likley drunk) are indisciplined and driving to their deaths and killing innocents in the process. The majority of the population are obeying the law and are disciplined enough to leave whereever they are in time to reach home safely.
Don't balme the SOE for their stupidity and indiscipline.
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It’s a valid question I am asking! If you don't have the answer then you need not have commented! ;)
Point I am trying to make to those who are able to work it out is that this SOE is no longer serving any useful purpose!!
I know it’s hard for some folks to get their heads round such a simple logical point because logic seems to have escaped them all together!
In the meantime folks are dying unnecessarily in accidents trying to beat the curfew hours but some men can’t see the logic that the curfew has now gone way pass it useful sell-by date!
You don't get it..... regardless of whether the SOE is right or not it is law. The curfew is law. these people that speed home (more than likley drunk) are indisciplined and driving to their deaths and killing innocents in the process. The majority of the population are obeying the law and are disciplined enough to leave whereever they are in time to reach home safely.
Don't balme the SOE for their stupidity and indiscipline.
Ok, lets say 3 cheers for the SOE because its the law!!
Just remember that Apartheid was the law in South Africa once upon a time!!
Leh we drink to that!! :beermug:
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It’s a valid question I am asking! If you don't have the answer then you need not have commented! ;)
Point I am trying to make to those who are able to work it out is that this SOE is no longer serving any useful purpose!!
I know it’s hard for some folks to get their heads round such a simple logical point because logic seems to have escaped them all together!
In the meantime folks are dying unnecessarily in accidents trying to beat the curfew hours but some men can’t see the logic that the curfew has now gone way pass it useful sell-by date!
You don't get it..... regardless of whether the SOE is right or not it is law. The curfew is law. these people that speed home (more than likley drunk) are indisciplined and driving to their deaths and killing innocents in the process. The majority of the population are obeying the law and are disciplined enough to leave whereever they are in time to reach home safely.
Don't balme the SOE for their stupidity and indiscipline.
Ok, lets say 3 cheers for the SOE because its the law!!
Just remember that Apartheid was the law in South Africa once upon a time!!
Leh we drink to that!! :beermug:
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You don't get it..... regardless of whether the SOE is right or not it is law. The curfew is law. these people that speed home (more than likley drunk) are indisciplined and driving to their deaths and killing innocents in the process. The majority of the population are obeying the law and are disciplined enough to leave whereever they are in time to reach home safely.
Don't balme the SOE for their stupidity and indiscipline.
YOU don't get it... no law is hard and fast... not even this SoE. There were mitigating circumstances present here (injury to one of their party) which reasonably should have been considered in favor of the others. Ah man leave he house to go drink by de parlor, get drunk, get pick up on de side of the road and the soldiers take him home. Clearly they had more sense than these rent-a-cops masquerading as police officers.
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You don't get it..... regardless of whether the SOE is right or not it is law. The curfew is law. these people that speed home (more than likley drunk) are indisciplined and driving to their deaths and killing innocents in the process. The majority of the population are obeying the law and are disciplined enough to leave whereever they are in time to reach home safely.
Don't balme the SOE for their stupidity and indiscipline.
YOU don't get it... no law is hard and fast... not even this SoE. There were mitigating circumstances present here (injury to one of their party) which reasonably should have been considered in favor of the others. Ah man leave he house to go drink by de parlor, get drunk, get pick up on de side of the road and the soldiers take him home. Clearly they had more sense than these rent-a-cops masquerading as police officers.
:beermug:
In my opinion paying some of these guys to be police officers is a waste of taxpayers’ money because they lack simple common sense in going about the job!
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It’s a valid question I am asking! If you don't have the answer then you need not have commented! ;)
Point I am trying to make to those who are able to work it out is that this SOE is no longer serving any useful purpose!!
I know it’s hard for some folks to get their heads round such a simple logical point because logic seems to have escaped them all together!
In the meantime folks are dying unnecessarily in accidents trying to beat the curfew hours but some men can’t see the logic that the curfew has now gone way pass it useful sell-by date!
You don't get it..... regardless of whether the SOE is right or not it is law. The curfew is law. these people that speed home (more than likley drunk) are indisciplined and driving to their deaths and killing innocents in the process. The majority of the population are obeying the law and are disciplined enough to leave whereever they are in time to reach home safely.
Don't balme the SOE for their stupidity and indiscipline.
Ok, lets say 3 cheers for the SOE because its the law!!
Just remember that Apartheid was the law in South Africa once upon a time!!
Leh we drink to that!! :beermug:
what a hypocrite, not too long ago you claimed I was delusional for calling you out on that apartheid statement, now here it is again.
so i will ask you once again, how can you equate this current SOE to apartheid? explain to us in detail how it in anyway resembles apartheid, are there citizens who are not allowed to vote because of their race?
please explain to us how you can even compare the two. the level of ignorance on this thread is at an all time high on the board.
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$102M in marijuana destroyed in Biche
Monday 24th October, 2011
Police have again destroyed millions worth of marijuana in an eradication exercise in the Biche forest.
The announcement was made by Lieutenant Rogerick Arthur of the Trinidad and Tobago Defence Force at Monday's Police Press Briefing on the State of Emergency.
He told reporters: "They eradicated marijuana in 10 separate fields in the Biche area and destroyed a total of $102 million worth of live marijuana."
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=33808
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TTPS: Stay indoors or be locked up
Monday 24th October, 2011
People living in curfew areas should not be in their yards during curfew areas.
The warning came from members of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service Public Affairs Unit on Monday as they urged citizens to stay inside their homes and not just inside their premises.
Ms Sharon Lee Assang, the TTPS Public Affairs Director, said: "The public needs to pay attention to the law. It is quite clear. Outdoor is outdoor, whether you are in your garage, gate, outdoor is outdoor. If you are inside, you are inside."
Ms Lee Assang also cautioned those who might want to be technical by claiming that being in their yard qualifies as being indoors.
She again said: "You can't be outdoors and indoors at the same time. The law is very clear in what it states."
The curfew is in effect between 11pm and 4am.
The Regulations governing the curfew can be found in Legal Notice 164, Emergency Power Regulations, Section Three which says: "No persons shall be permitted to be out of doors."
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=33826&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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$102M in marijuana destroyed in Biche
Monday 24th October, 2011
Police have again destroyed millions worth of marijuana in an eradication exercise in the Biche forest.
The announcement was made by Lieutenant Rogerick Arthur of the Trinidad and Tobago Defence Force at Monday's Police Press Briefing on the State of Emergency.
He told reporters: "They eradicated marijuana in 10 separate fields in the Biche area and destroyed a total of $102 million worth of live marijuana."
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=33808
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TTPS: Stay indoors or be locked up
Monday 24th October, 2011
People living in curfew areas should not be in their yards during curfew areas.
The warning came from members of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service Public Affairs Unit on Monday as they urged citizens to stay inside their homes and not just inside their premises.
Ms Sharon Lee Assang, the TTPS Public Affairs Director, said: "The public needs to pay attention to the law. It is quite clear. Outdoor is outdoor, whether you are in your garage, gate, outdoor is outdoor. If you are inside, you are inside."
Ms Lee Assang also cautioned those who might want to be technical by claiming that being in their yard qualifies as being indoors.
She again said: "You can't be outdoors and indoors at the same time. The law is very clear in what it states."
The curfew is in effect between 11pm and 4am.
The Regulations governing the curfew can be found in Legal Notice 164, Emergency Power Regulations, Section Three which says: "No persons shall be permitted to be out of doors."
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=33826&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Is dotishness like this that has me convinced that the folks running the country doh really care about catching real criminals!
They are more concerned with controlling and victimising the average law abiding citizen!
I’m so glad that I am not in T&T right now because I know they would have to lock me up or shoot me for liming in my OWN yard for sure!
Pure dotishness if you ask me!! We are moving closer and closer to how South Africa used to be once upon a time!! It’s obvious to me that T&T is now being run by a creeping dictatorship where big people who are law abiding are now being treated like naughty children!
But hey, allyuh vote for dat!! :beermug:
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Hahaha, and ppl want tuh kill me bc i said T&T is ah monkey country. :laugh:
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Apartheid! where these kinda konts does come from boi? Let me guess - he eh even living in Trinibago but ready and able to comment. Go bow to the queen and kerry your kontishways out of here oui.
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Apartheid! where these kinda konts does come from boi? Let me guess - he eh even living in Trinibago but ready and able to comment. Go bow to the queen and kerry your kontishways out of here oui.
Where do some of you characters come out from?!
You don’t need to be living home to comment on what is happening in T&T!
I go home quite regularly and show an interest in what’s happening home because I have family, loved-ones and friends living there! I take a keen interest in what’s happening in T&T and also speak to family and friends on Skype about what's happening there almost every day so I know what is going on and really don’t need to prove that to you!!
I never said T&T has Apartheid what I said is that we are getting closer & close to how South Africa USED to be once upon a time and that is a fact!! In fact with the way the current PP government is operating I feel that some of us have less freedom to move around and enjoy T&T than folks now have in South Africa to enjoy their country. So while freedom and rights of the average person in South Africa has increased the opposite has happened in T&T in recent years!!
You may not like my opinion but it is based on the truth and I reserve my right to say what I see and tell it as it is!
Plus some of allyuh need to keep out of certain conversation or at least learn to read and digest properly before trying to jump in!
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read this HYDMC.
bow to the queen and shut yur kont. I have more respect for those who do the daily grind in Tand T and complain bout SOE, than jokers like you who feel you have a say because you happen to be born there and 'visit' once in a f**king while. you have the option to jump on the plane with ah 3 piece of kfc after 2 weeks and say f**k that.
is like complaining bout sand when you live far from the beach. yuh kont!
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read this HYDMC.
bow to the queen and shut yur kont. I have more respect for those who do the daily grind in Tand T and complain bout SOE, than jokers like you who feel you have a say because you happen to be born there and 'visit' once in a f**king while. you have the option to jump on the plane with ah 3 piece of kfc after 2 weeks and say f**k that.
is like complaining bout sand when you live far from the beach. yuh kont!
You are obviously a bit on the illiterate side or don't have much to do with your time right now so you’re seeking a pointless argument with strangers on the internet!
I don't know you and you don't know me so what you claim to know about me means absolutely zero and I hope you are intelligent enough to work that out but would doubt that very much!
Cussing and bursting blood vessels in your brain doesn’t really help btw if you can’t articulate yourself but maybe going back to school will! Or maybe you are still at school, who knows as I won’t claim to know you or your business nor I am interested in knowing!! :beermug:
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read this HYDMC.
bow to the queen and shut yur kont. I have more respect for those who do the daily grind in Tand T and complain bout SOE, than jokers like you who feel you have a say because you happen to be born there and 'visit' once in a f**king while. you have the option to jump on the plane with ah 3 piece of kfc after 2 weeks and say f**k that.
is like complaining bout sand when you live far from the beach. yuh kont!
You are obviously a bit on the illiterate side or don't have much to do with your time right now so you’re seeking a pointless argument with strangers on the internet!
I don't know you and you don't know me so what you claim to know about me means absolutely zero and I hope you are intelligent enough to work that out but would doubt that very much!
Cussing and bursting blood vessels in your brain doesn’t really help btw if you can’t articulate yourself but maybe going back to school will! Or maybe you are still at school, who knows as I won’t claim to know you or your business nor I am interested in knowing!! :beermug:
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like that thing in london say. yuh sorf.
I know a hell more about you than you'd think. even with my limited schooling i know yur ah kont without use (imagine that) who lives life based on hear-say.
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And btw Mal Jeux here is a bit of education for you as you seem to need it!
Most folks who post on this website are based on the outside (not living in T&T) and the website forum itself was started by someone who lives on the outside!
If your theory is correct then most of us who post here should not be talking about T&T football or things happening in T&T in general because we now reside on the outside and so have no right to speak on such matters!
Now you see how dumb your argument is? But ah sure yuh already know that!
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Apartheid! where these kinda konts does come from boi? Let me guess - he eh even living in Trinibago but ready and able to comment. Go bow to the queen and kerry your kontishways out of here oui.
Where do some of you characters come out from?!
You don’t need to be living home to comment on what is happening in T&T!
I go home quite regularly and show an interest in what’s happening home because I have family, loved-ones and friends living there! I take a keen interest in what’s happening in T&T and also speak to family and friends on Skype about what's happening there almost every day so I know what is going on and really don’t need to prove that to you!!
I never said T&T has Apartheid what I said is that we are getting closer & close to how South Africa USED to be once upon a time and that is a fact!! In fact with the way the current PP government is operating I feel that some of us have less freedom to move around and enjoy T&T than folks now have in South Africa to enjoy their country. So while freedom and rights of the average person in South Africa has increased the opposite has happened in T&T in recent years!!
You may not like my opinion but it is based on the truth and I reserve my right to say what I see and tell it as it is!
Plus some of allyuh need to keep out of certain conversation or at least learn to read and digest properly before trying to jump in!
so why are you even mentioning the word apartheid to begin with, leave it out of your foolish assessment of the situation in TT.
the reason why you are repeating yourself so many times because you believe it but are afraid to come out and express your true feelings towards the situation.
you think posters like myself and others who were around from the old board forget your remarks that sam and others ostracized you for? you think people forget the racist comments made on the old board and the threats posters like sam made to you when you made certain remarks, you don't fool me socapro and a few others who were around in those times are also not fooled.
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Apartheid! where these kinda konts does come from boi? Let me guess - he eh even living in Trinibago but ready and able to comment. Go bow to the queen and kerry your kontishways out of here oui.
Where do some of you characters come out from?!
You don’t need to be living home to comment on what is happening in T&T!
I go home quite regularly and show an interest in what’s happening home because I have family, loved-ones and friends living there! I take a keen interest in what’s happening in T&T and also speak to family and friends on Skype about what's happening there almost every day so I know what is going on and really don’t need to prove that to you!!
I never said T&T has Apartheid what I said is that we are getting closer & close to how South Africa USED to be once upon a time and that is a fact!! In fact with the way the current PP government is operating I feel that some of us have less freedom to move around and enjoy T&T than folks now have in South Africa to enjoy their country. So while freedom and rights of the average person in South Africa has increased the opposite has happened in T&T in recent years!!
You may not like my opinion but it is based on the truth and I reserve my right to say what I see and tell it as it is!
Plus some of allyuh need to keep out of certain conversation or at least learn to read and digest properly before trying to jump in!
so why are you even mentioning the word apartheid to begin with, leave it out of your foolish assessment of the situation in TT.
the reason why you are repeating yourself so many times because you believe it but are afraid to come out and express your true feelings towards the situation.
you think posters like myself and others who were around from the old board forget your remarks that sam and others ostracized you for? you think people forget the racist comments made on the old board and the threats posters like sam made to you when you made certain remarks, you don't fool me socapro and a few others who were around in those times are also not fooled.
What are you talking about now Dick head? What remarks were those?!
Or is it more Jumbie talking in yuh head again and you are not yet sure what they saying?!!
And btw I was not conversing with you here unless you also post under the handle Mal Jeux!
Ah notice how yuh always looking for friend on these forums and always quick to call up my name in yuh mouth as if that could help yuh to gain friends and come over as important!!
Also this is worrying! :worried: Am I really on your little peanut size brain this much that you can actually remember stuff I posted on these forums over 10 years ago that you still grieving about even to this day?
If what you say is true then what sort of battyman like obsession is dat?! ???
I really wish you would find someone of the opposite sex to think constantly about or go jerk off somewhere rather than always coming on here calling out my name and looking for man friend!!
Let me remind you for the umpteenth time that I cannot take most of your postings seriously and only indulge you if I do as just light entertainment nothing more!
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And btw Mal Jeux here is a bit of education for you as you seem to need it!
Most folks who post on this website are based on the outside (not living in T&T) and the website forum itself was started by someone who lives on the outside!
If your theory is correct then most of us who post here should not be talking about T&T football or things happening in T&T in general because we now reside on the outside and so have no right to speak on such matters!
Now you see how dumb your argument is? But ah sure yuh already know that!
politics and football is ... I really have to explain this? kont, when it comes to SPORT, you find fans globally, so if I feel like speaking about or supporting ManUtd, does that mean I live in Manchester? And you want to tell me bout education. ASS!
And yes, I know the history of the forum and the fellas who started it.
Apartheid my facking ass!
Leave the people who do the daily grind to complain and rant with all rights. Not your dumb ass who jump on Skype and base your "attitude" to what's going on by other peoples experience and NOT yours. BTW do you recall the last time you were in Trinidad and/or Tobago? Want me to tell you?
Wikipedia juss edited the meaning of imps to a picture of you. go see.
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Apartheid! where these kinda konts does come from boi? Let me guess - he eh even living in Trinibago but ready and able to comment. Go bow to the queen and kerry your kontishways out of here oui.
Where do some of you characters come out from?!
You don’t need to be living home to comment on what is happening in T&T!
I go home quite regularly and show an interest in what’s happening home because I have family, loved-ones and friends living there! I take a keen interest in what’s happening in T&T and also speak to family and friends on Skype about what's happening there almost every day so I know what is going on and really don’t need to prove that to you!!
I never said T&T has Apartheid what I said is that we are getting closer & close to how South Africa USED to be once upon a time and that is a fact!! In fact with the way the current PP government is operating I feel that some of us have less freedom to move around and enjoy T&T than folks now have in South Africa to enjoy their country. So while freedom and rights of the average person in South Africa has increased the opposite has happened in T&T in recent years!!
You may not like my opinion but it is based on the truth and I reserve my right to say what I see and tell it as it is!
Plus some of allyuh need to keep out of certain conversation or at least learn to read and digest properly before trying to jump in!
so why are you even mentioning the word apartheid to begin with, leave it out of your foolish assessment of the situation in TT.
the reason why you are repeating yourself so many times because you believe it but are afraid to come out and express your true feelings towards the situation.
you think posters like myself and others who were around from the old board forget your remarks that sam and others ostracized you for? you think people forget the racist comments made on the old board and the threats posters like sam made to you when you made certain remarks, you don't fool me socapro and a few others who were around in those times are also not fooled.
What are you talking about now Dick head? What remarks were those?!
Or is it that Jumbie talking in yuh head again and you are not yet sure what they saying?!!
And btw I was not conversing with you here unless you also post under the handle Mal Jeux!
Ah notice how yuh always looking for friend on these forums and always quick to call up my name in yuh mouth as if that could help yuh to gain friends and come over as important!!
Also this is worrying! :worried: Am I really on your little peanut size brain this much that you can actually remember stuff I posted on these forums over 10 years ago that you still grieving about even to this day?
If what you say is true then what sort of battyman like obsession is dat?! ???
I really wish you would find someone of the opposite sex to think constantly about or go jerk off somewhere rather than always coming on here calling out my name and looking for man friend!!
Let me remind you for the umpteenth time that I cannot take most of your postings seriously and only indulge you if I do as just light entertainment nothing more!
touchy touchy, the truth offends.
its called having an exceptional memory, maybe you are that dense you forget what remarks you made before, and for your information not to long ago, a poster made reference to my statements, as he also remembers sam's confrontations with you, i know you would rather forget the unsavory remarks you made in the past, sometimes that past comes back to haunt you. ;)
i guess you can consider yourself lucky as flex did away with the old board and we cannot retrieve the old posts on the old board from many years ago ;)
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Ah been trying to hold mih tongue. Not watching news or the daily lunch time briefings but mih ears happen to ketch something on the radio this evening dat get mih blasted vex about this kakahole SOE all over again. Ah man get lock up over the weekend for breaching the curfew. He was parking his wife's car in the garage. He related the story today on i95.5fm. So the debate start afresh as to what constitute breaching the curfew.
This evening I hear jackass Sandy telling we that if you in your yard you not breaking the curfew. But earlier in the day the smiley, smiley lady (cyar remember she name) telling people that the police need to revisit the procedure or some shit so. But Sandy on the next hand saying it was an error to tell people that if they are in their yard they are breaking the curfew.
What de fack shit is this??!!
All yuh take upon all yuh self to call an SOE suspending my civil rights in the process to avert a crisis that was averted already that needed 3 more months to avert, to come and tell me shit bout police making error bout who breaching curfew and who is not??!! Yet another mistake in a long line of mistakes where this kakahole SOE is concerned. Steups!!
Dese people really facking serious??!! This is ah facking joke??!!
A setta "gang members" getting let go everyday for little or no evidence and now de police eh have nutten to do so dey start harassing people simply because they can. What madness is this??!! And people sitting down cool, cool and saying "end the curfew but keep the SOE". And dese are the people who supposed to have had gone to school and have a brain and can apply reasoning and logic. Like Joe Pires speaking as owner of 51 degrees. He only concerned that the curfew decreasing he revenue so remove it but keep the SOE......
Dese people for facking real??!! No, seriously. All ah all yuh who supporting this kakahole SOE STILL for facking real??!!
If all yuh honest with all yuh self, all yuh goh admit that when this first started all yuh thought it had a plan, strategy, goal and an end game right?? Well?? Where is it?? Because the crisis done averted already but we still need another month or so to avert it.....so tell mih cuz all yuh and Kamla, Sandy and Cowboy X know something I eh know...
So now after two months, all dem "gang members" going free in large numbers and now we quibbling over whether or not if ah man parking he wife car in dey garage if dey breaching curfew. MADNESS!!
Yuh know what is the worst part, if Patrick did pull ah stunt like this we would be calling for head the dictator that he was ::) ::)...bunch ah facking hypocrites.
Kamla damn right she should lift the SOE and put it back again.....along with the curfew. And then bawl she solving crime....MADNESS!! And we should stay right dey and say "oh thank you Tanty Kamla for looking out for we".....
Steups!! I gone back to more important matters like The Daily Show with Jon Stewart (the comedy there is of a far higher value than dem jokers in Parliament) and voting for Anya on Project Runway.
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And btw Mal Jeux here is a bit of education for you as you seem to need it!
Most folks who post on this website are based on the outside (not living in T&T) and the website forum itself was started by someone who lives on the outside!
If your theory is correct then most of us who post here should not be talking about T&T football or things happening in T&T in general because we now reside on the outside and so have no right to speak on such matters!
Now you see how dumb your argument is? But ah sure yuh already know that!
politics and football is ... I really have to explain this? kont, when it comes to SPORT, you find fans globally, so if I feel like speaking about or supporting ManUtd, does that mean I live in Manchester? And you want to tell me bout education. ASS!
And yes, I know the history of the forum and the fellas who started it.
Apartheid my facking ass!
Leave the people who do the daily grind to complain and rant with all rights. Not your dumb ass who jump on Skype and base your "attitude" to what's going on by other peoples experience and NOT yours. BTW do you recall the last time you were in Trinidad and/or Tobago? Want me to tell you?
Wikipedia juss edited the meaning of imps to a picture of you. go see.
So you can tell me when last was I in T&T? Are you some sort of know it all macomere man or something?! I feel you must be related to Controversial as you both seem to have similar seerman powers!
So when last was I in T&T then? And what relevance has that got to do with my views on the SOE?
If I decide to comment on the SOE and draw a parallel with the direction T&T is currently going and what used to happen in places like South Africa regards restrictions on people’s movement and you fail to see the connection then that’s your problem and I can’t force you to agree with my view or to use your intelligence!
Sometimes folks have to respectfully agree to disagree but we are all here to give our various points of views and opinions on any topic that we choose! No need to cuss each other if we don't agree when we don’t personally know or care to know each other!!
As I said to you before, you don’t know me and I don’t know you and I don’t see that changing anytime soon!
You could keep cussing me out to your heart’s delight because I expressed a point of view that you don’t agree with, it doesn’t really bother me in the least!!
But remember this when you cussing me out and calling me a this and a that; it takes one to know one and empty barrels make the most noise!! ;)
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Apartheid! where these kinda konts does come from boi? Let me guess - he eh even living in Trinibago but ready and able to comment. Go bow to the queen and kerry your kontishways out of here oui.
Where do some of you characters come out from?!
You don’t need to be living home to comment on what is happening in T&T!
I go home quite regularly and show an interest in what’s happening home because I have family, loved-ones and friends living there! I take a keen interest in what’s happening in T&T and also speak to family and friends on Skype about what's happening there almost every day so I know what is going on and really don’t need to prove that to you!!
I never said T&T has Apartheid what I said is that we are getting closer & close to how South Africa USED to be once upon a time and that is a fact!! In fact with the way the current PP government is operating I feel that some of us have less freedom to move around and enjoy T&T than folks now have in South Africa to enjoy their country. So while freedom and rights of the average person in South Africa has increased the opposite has happened in T&T in recent years!!
You may not like my opinion but it is based on the truth and I reserve my right to say what I see and tell it as it is!
Plus some of allyuh need to keep out of certain conversation or at least learn to read and digest properly before trying to jump in!
so why are you even mentioning the word apartheid to begin with, leave it out of your foolish assessment of the situation in TT.
the reason why you are repeating yourself so many times because you believe it but are afraid to come out and express your true feelings towards the situation.
you think posters like myself and others who were around from the old board forget your remarks that sam and others ostracized you for? you think people forget the racist comments made on the old board and the threats posters like sam made to you when you made certain remarks, you don't fool me socapro and a few others who were around in those times are also not fooled.
What are you talking about now Dick head? What remarks were those?!
Or is it that Jumbie talking in yuh head again and you are not yet sure what they saying?!!
And btw I was not conversing with you here unless you also post under the handle Mal Jeux!
Ah notice how yuh always looking for friend on these forums and always quick to call up my name in yuh mouth as if that could help yuh to gain friends and come over as important!!
Also this is worrying! :worried: Am I really on your little peanut size brain this much that you can actually remember stuff I posted on these forums over 10 years ago that you still grieving about even to this day?
If what you say is true then what sort of battyman like obsession is dat?! ???
I really wish you would find someone of the opposite sex to think constantly about or go jerk off somewhere rather than always coming on here calling out my name and looking for man friend!!
Let me remind you for the umpteenth time that I cannot take most of your postings seriously and only indulge you if I do as just light entertainment nothing more!
touchy touchy, the truth offends.
its called having an exceptional memory, maybe you are that dense you forget what remarks you made before, and for your information not to long ago, a poster made reference to my statements, as he also remembers sam's confrontations with you, i know you would rather forget the unsavory remarks you made in the past, sometimes that past comes back to haunt you. ;)
i guess you can consider yourself lucky as flex did away with the old board and we cannot retrieve the old posts on the old board from many years ago ;)
Please post what I said from your exceptional memory, no need to bring the excuse that you don't have the old board from many years ago to reference!! Or maybe yuh just talking out of your ass once again!!
Come on prove to us for the umpteenth time that you are not no ordinary kind of asshole with crazy voices in yuh head!! ::)
PS: Who has Sam not confronted on various issues on these forums over the years?! I have much more respect for Sam than I do for you because even though Sam is passionate and outspoken, he does not claim to know it all like yourself! I have seen Sam admit that he was wrong on a variety of topics on these forums over the years as well as proving to be correct on even more topics!
Unlike you, Sam is man enough to admit that he sometimes gets things wrong!!
I can respect Sam and take him seriously on certain matters unlike yourself who I can take seriously on absolutely nothing!
You are just light entertainment for me and nothing more and I don’t see that changing anytime soon!!
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read this HYDMC.
bow to the queen and shut yur kont. I have more respect for those who do the daily grind in Tand T and complain bout SOE, than jokers like you who feel you have a say because you happen to be born there and 'visit' once in a f**king while. you have the option to jump on the plane with ah 3 piece of kfc after 2 weeks and say f**k that.
is like complaining bout sand when you live far from the beach. yuh kont!
Eh golden gun, why yuh cussin de man so nasty fuh?? take it easy fella, de man have rights too. after all, he born and bred right there in trinidad just like you.
BTW, you livin in sunny florida and flyin in when ever yuh fell too, just like the donald, and yuh breakin on pro, ah poor blue colar worker who could only afford tuh skype. ;D
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read this HYDMC.
bow to the queen and shut yur kont. I have more respect for those who do the daily grind in Tand T and complain bout SOE, than jokers like you who feel you have a say because you happen to be born there and 'visit' once in a f**king while. you have the option to jump on the plane with ah 3 piece of kfc after 2 weeks and say f**k that.
is like complaining bout sand when you live far from the beach. yuh kont!
Eh golden gun, why yuh cussin de man so nasty fuh?? take it easy fella, de man have rights too. after all, he born and bred right there in trinidad just like you.
BTW, you livin in sunny florida and flyin in when ever yuh fell too, just like the donald, and yuh breakin on pro, ah poor blue colar worker who could only afford tuh skype. ;D
I can't afford Skype, I normally use my neighbour's computer! ;)
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Ah been trying to hold mih tongue. Not watching news or the daily lunch time briefings but mih ears happen to ketch something on the radio this evening dat get mih blasted vex about this kakahole SOE all over again. Ah man get lock up over the weekend for breaching the curfew. He was parking his wife's car in the garage. He related the story today on i95.5fm. So the debate start afresh as to what constitute breaching the curfew.
This evening I hear jackass Sandy telling we that if you in your yard you not breaking the curfew. But earlier in the day the smiley, smiley lady (cyar remember she name) telling people that the police need to revisit the procedure or some shit so. But Sandy on the next hand saying it was an error to tell people that if they are in their yard they are breaking the curfew.
What de fack shit is this??!!
All yuh take upon all yuh self to call an SOE suspending my civil rights in the process to avert a crisis that was averted already that needed 3 more months to avert, to come and tell me shit bout police making error bout who breaching curfew and who is not??!! Yet another mistake in a long line of mistakes where this kakahole SOE is concerned. Steups!!
Dese people really facking serious??!! This is ah facking joke??!!
A setta "gang members" getting let go everyday for little or no evidence and now de police eh have nutten to do so dey start harassing people simply because they can. What madness is this??!! And people sitting down cool, cool and saying "end the curfew but keep the SOE". And dese are the people who supposed to have had gone to school and have a brain and can apply reasoning and logic. Like Joe Pires speaking as owner of 51 degrees. He only concerned that the curfew decreasing he revenue so remove it but keep the SOE......
Dese people for facking real??!! No, seriously. All ah all yuh who supporting this kakahole SOE STILL for facking real??!!
If all yuh honest with all yuh self, all yuh goh admit that when this first started all yuh thought it had a plan, strategy, goal and an end game right?? Well?? Where is it?? Because the crisis done averted already but we still need another month or so to avert it.....so tell mih cuz all yuh and Kamla, Sandy and Cowboy X know something I eh know...
So now after two months, all dem "gang members" going free in large numbers and now we quibbling over whether or not if ah man parking he wife car in dey garage if dey breaching curfew. MADNESS!!
Yuh know what is the worst part, if Patrick did pull ah stunt like this we would be calling for head the dictator that he was ::) ::)...bunch ah facking hypocrites.
Kamla damn right she should lift the SOE and put it back again.....along with the curfew. And then bawl she solving crime....MADNESS!! And we should stay right dey and say "oh thank you Tanty Kamla for looking out for we".....
Steups!! I gone back to more important matters like The Daily Show with Jon Stewart (the comedy there is of a far higher value than dem jokers in Parliament) and voting for Anya on Project Runway.
i agree 100% brownie.
imagine for many nights i have been hearing gunshots ringing out like normal as if we not under any SoE. i wonder, could they be from d bandits? could they be from the police shooting at the bandits?
none of it reaches the news however, cuz u know they dont want to spoil their already shitty crime figures under this SoE. d big fish still out there and the other criminals are being released for lack of evidence so we eh reach nowhere
its evident that this SoE is no longer serving any purpose (it never was) and is time to done d shit
oh btw everyone, if u are on twitter, just post '#pr9anya" every five minutes to vote for Anya Ayoung Chee as fan favorite on Project Runway. she will be donating the money (if she wins) to the development of arts for young children interested in that field
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read this HYDMC.
bow to the queen and shut yur kont. I have more respect for those who do the daily grind in Tand T and complain bout SOE, than jokers like you who feel you have a say because you happen to be born there and 'visit' once in a f**king while. you have the option to jump on the plane with ah 3 piece of kfc after 2 weeks and say f**k that.
is like complaining bout sand when you live far from the beach. yuh kont!
Eh golden gun, why yuh cussin de man so nasty fuh?? take it easy fella, de man have rights too. after all, he born and bred right there in trinidad just like you.
BTW, you livin in sunny florida and flyin in when ever yuh fell too, just like the donald, and yuh breakin on pro, ah poor blue colar worker who could only afford tuh skype. ;D
I can't afford Skype, I normally use my neighbour's computer! ;)
skype is free :D
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Ah been trying to hold mih tongue. Not watching news or the daily lunch time briefings but mih ears happen to ketch something on the radio this evening dat get mih blasted vex about this kakahole SOE all over again. Ah man get lock up over the weekend for breaching the curfew. He was parking his wife's car in the garage. He related the story today on i95.5fm. So the debate start afresh as to what constitute breaching the curfew.
This evening I hear jackass Sandy telling we that if you in your yard you not breaking the curfew. But earlier in the day the smiley, smiley lady (cyar remember she name) telling people that the police need to revisit the procedure or some shit so. But Sandy on the next hand saying it was an error to tell people that if they are in their yard they are breaking the curfew.
What de fack shit is this??!!
All yuh take upon all yuh self to call an SOE suspending my civil rights in the process to avert a crisis that was averted already that needed 3 more months to avert, to come and tell me shit bout police making error bout who breaching curfew and who is not??!! Yet another mistake in a long line of mistakes where this kakahole SOE is concerned. Steups!!
Dese people really facking serious??!! This is ah facking joke??!!
A setta "gang members" getting let go everyday for little or no evidence and now de police eh have nutten to do so dey start harassing people simply because they can. What madness is this??!! And people sitting down cool, cool and saying "end the curfew but keep the SOE". And dese are the people who supposed to have had gone to school and have a brain and can apply reasoning and logic. Like Joe Pires speaking as owner of 51 degrees. He only concerned that the curfew decreasing he revenue so remove it but keep the SOE......
Dese people for facking real??!! No, seriously. All ah all yuh who supporting this kakahole SOE STILL for facking real??!!
If all yuh honest with all yuh self, all yuh goh admit that when this first started all yuh thought it had a plan, strategy, goal and an end game right?? Well?? Where is it?? Because the crisis done averted already but we still need another month or so to avert it.....so tell mih cuz all yuh and Kamla, Sandy and Cowboy X know something I eh know...
So now after two months, all dem "gang members" going free in large numbers and now we quibbling over whether or not if ah man parking he wife car in dey garage if dey breaching curfew. MADNESS!!
Yuh know what is the worst part, if Patrick did pull ah stunt like this we would be calling for head the dictator that he was ::) ::)...bunch ah facking hypocrites.
Kamla damn right she should lift the SOE and put it back again.....along with the curfew. And then bawl she solving crime....MADNESS!! And we should stay right dey and say "oh thank you Tanty Kamla for looking out for we".....
Steups!! I gone back to more important matters like The Daily Show with Jon Stewart (the comedy there is of a far higher value than dem jokers in Parliament) and voting for Anya on Project Runway.
Aye... make sure yuh passport stamp before yuh start complaining about de people SoE please. Ah wouldn't want Mal Jeux to start up with he "kont" talk again. Based on what he say tuh Socapro he real good with that.
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read this HYDMC.
bow to the queen and shut yur kont. I have more respect for those who do the daily grind in Tand T and complain bout SOE, than jokers like you who feel you have a say because you happen to be born there and 'visit' once in a f**king while. you have the option to jump on the plane with ah 3 piece of kfc after 2 weeks and say f**k that.
is like complaining bout sand when you live far from the beach. yuh kont!
Eh golden gun, why yuh cussin de man so nasty fuh?? take it easy fella, de man have rights too. after all, he born and bred right there in trinidad just like you.
BTW, you livin in sunny florida and flyin in when ever yuh fell too, just like the donald, and yuh breakin on pro, ah poor blue colar worker who could only afford tuh skype. ;D
What de f**k you talkinbg about mow? Yuh like ah herpes sore eh....yuh keep coming back to annoy people..now I is mal jeux? steups
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read this HYDMC.
bow to the queen and shut yur kont. I have more respect for those who do the daily grind in Tand T and complain bout SOE, than jokers like you who feel you have a say because you happen to be born there and 'visit' once in a f**king while. you have the option to jump on the plane with ah 3 piece of kfc after 2 weeks and say f**k that.
is like complaining bout sand when you live far from the beach. yuh kont!
Eh golden gun, why yuh cussin de man so nasty fuh?? take it easy fella, de man have rights too. after all, he born and bred right there in trinidad just like you.
BTW, you livin in sunny florida and flyin in when ever yuh fell too, just like the donald, and yuh breakin on pro, ah poor blue colar worker who could only afford tuh skype. ;D
I can't afford Skype, I normally use my neighbour's computer! ;)
skype is free :D
You really are dumb aren't you?! Do you honestly think I don't know that?! ::)
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What de f**k you talkinbg about mow? Yuh like ah herpes sore eh....yuh keep coming back to annoy people..now I is mal jeux? steups
I doh think yuh could cuss just cool unless yuh living next door tuh him...
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What de f**k you talkinbg about mow? Yuh like ah herpes sore eh....yuh keep coming back to annoy people..now I is mal jeux? steups
I doh think yuh could cuss just cool unless yuh living next door tuh him...
So I cyar use skype?
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Hear nah allyuh just does make just shake my head and laugh oui. ;D A good break from the hustle and flow. :beermug:
What is Mal Jeux again? Isn't that when fruit get rotten?
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Ah been trying to hold mih tongue. Not watching news or the daily lunch time briefings but mih ears happen to ketch something on the radio this evening dat get mih blasted vex about this kakahole SOE all over again. Ah man get lock up over the weekend for breaching the curfew. He was parking his wife's car in the garage. He related the story today on i95.5fm. So the debate start afresh as to what constitute breaching the curfew.
This evening I hear jackass Sandy telling we that if you in your yard you not breaking the curfew. But earlier in the day the smiley, smiley lady (cyar remember she name) telling people that the police need to revisit the procedure or some shit so. But Sandy on the next hand saying it was an error to tell people that if they are in their yard they are breaking the curfew.
What de fack shit is this??!!
All yuh take upon all yuh self to call an SOE suspending my civil rights in the process to avert a crisis that was averted already that needed 3 more months to avert, to come and tell me shit bout police making error bout who breaching curfew and who is not??!! Yet another mistake in a long line of mistakes where this kakahole SOE is concerned. Steups!!
Dese people really facking serious??!! This is ah facking joke??!!
A setta "gang members" getting let go everyday for little or no evidence and now de police eh have nutten to do so dey start harassing people simply because they can. What madness is this??!! And people sitting down cool, cool and saying "end the curfew but keep the SOE". And dese are the people who supposed to have had gone to school and have a brain and can apply reasoning and logic. Like Joe Pires speaking as owner of 51 degrees. He only concerned that the curfew decreasing he revenue so remove it but keep the SOE......
Dese people for facking real??!! No, seriously. All ah all yuh who supporting this kakahole SOE STILL for facking real??!!
If all yuh honest with all yuh self, all yuh goh admit that when this first started all yuh thought it had a plan, strategy, goal and an end game right?? Well?? Where is it?? Because the crisis done averted already but we still need another month or so to avert it.....so tell mih cuz all yuh and Kamla, Sandy and Cowboy X know something I eh know...
So now after two months, all dem "gang members" going free in large numbers and now we quibbling over whether or not if ah man parking he wife car in dey garage if dey breaching curfew. MADNESS!!
Yuh know what is the worst part, if Patrick did pull ah stunt like this we would be calling for head the dictator that he was ::) ::)...bunch ah facking hypocrites.
Kamla damn right she should lift the SOE and put it back again.....along with the curfew. And then bawl she solving crime....MADNESS!! And we should stay right dey and say "oh thank you Tanty Kamla for looking out for we".....
Steups!! I gone back to more important matters like The Daily Show with Jon Stewart (the comedy there is of a far higher value than dem jokers in Parliament) and voting for Anya on Project Runway.
We're at a stage where people are being locked up for just being outside ,political activity has been restricted by the government and the labour movement has been muzzled. These are violations of our rights .Not one person has been arrested under the emergency powers act, not one. If I protest I break the law. There were endless cries of dictatorship when the other fella was PM. These folks tell us to stay inside and essentially don't organise or say anything to piss off the government and the same voices are silent.
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Jah Gol, what wrong wid you?? Now you gone and agree with me. I is PNM for sure now....*sigh* ::) ::)
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Jah Gol, what wrong wid you?? Now you gone and agree with me. I is PNM for sure now....*sigh* ::) ::)
;D
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Ah been trying to hold mih tongue. Not watching news or the daily lunch time briefings but mih ears happen to ketch something on the radio this evening dat get mih blasted vex about this kakahole SOE all over again. Ah man get lock up over the weekend for breaching the curfew. He was parking his wife's car in the garage. He related the story today on i95.5fm. So the debate start afresh as to what constitute breaching the curfew.
This evening I hear jackass Sandy telling we that if you in your yard you not breaking the curfew. But earlier in the day the smiley, smiley lady (cyar remember she name) telling people that the police need to revisit the procedure or some shit so. But Sandy on the next hand saying it was an error to tell people that if they are in their yard they are breaking the curfew.
What de fack shit is this??!!
All yuh take upon all yuh self to call an SOE suspending my civil rights in the process to avert a crisis that was averted already that needed 3 more months to avert, to come and tell me shit bout police making error bout who breaching curfew and who is not??!! Yet another mistake in a long line of mistakes where this kakahole SOE is concerned. Steups!!
Dese people really facking serious??!! This is ah facking joke??!!
A setta "gang members" getting let go everyday for little or no evidence and now de police eh have nutten to do so dey start harassing people simply because they can. What madness is this??!! And people sitting down cool, cool and saying "end the curfew but keep the SOE". And dese are the people who supposed to have had gone to school and have a brain and can apply reasoning and logic. Like Joe Pires speaking as owner of 51 degrees. He only concerned that the curfew decreasing he revenue so remove it but keep the SOE......
Dese people for facking real??!! No, seriously. All ah all yuh who supporting this kakahole SOE STILL for facking real??!!
If all yuh honest with all yuh self, all yuh goh admit that when this first started all yuh thought it had a plan, strategy, goal and an end game right?? Well?? Where is it?? Because the crisis done averted already but we still need another month or so to avert it.....so tell mih cuz all yuh and Kamla, Sandy and Cowboy X know something I eh know...
So now after two months, all dem "gang members" going free in large numbers and now we quibbling over whether or not if ah man parking he wife car in dey garage if dey breaching curfew. MADNESS!!
Yuh know what is the worst part, if Patrick did pull ah stunt like this we would be calling for head the dictator that he was ::) ::)...bunch ah facking hypocrites.
Kamla damn right she should lift the SOE and put it back again.....along with the curfew. And then bawl she solving crime....MADNESS!! And we should stay right dey and say "oh thank you Tanty Kamla for looking out for we".....
Steups!! I gone back to more important matters like The Daily Show with Jon Stewart (the comedy there is of a far higher value than dem jokers in Parliament) and voting for Anya on Project Runway.
We're at a stage where people are being locked up for just being outside ,political activity has been restricted by the government and the labour movement has been muzzled. These are violations of our rights .Not one person has been arrested under the emergency powers act, not one. If I protest I break the law. There were endless cries of dictatorship when the other fella was PM. These folks tell us to stay inside and essentially don't organise or say anything to piss off the government and the same voices are silent.
Apparently folks home vote for this and if yuh living on the outside you have no right to comment! :-[
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Apparently folks home vote for this and if yuh living on the outside you have no right to comment! :-[
u really studying Mal jeux...........let d people who feel happy wit dey head firmly tucked up dey arse stay dey..........u were born here..........where u are now is immaterial to the issues at hand...................is dis same doh say nutten shit dat make mih sin my soul and put ah verbal foot up war ass
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read this HYDMC.
bow to the queen and shut yur kont. I have more respect for those who do the daily grind in Tand T and complain bout SOE, than jokers like you who feel you have a say because you happen to be born there and 'visit' once in a f**king while. you have the option to jump on the plane with ah 3 piece of kfc after 2 weeks and say f**k that.
is like complaining bout sand when you live far from the beach. yuh kont!
Eh golden gun, why yuh cussin de man so nasty fuh?? take it easy fella, de man have rights too. after all, he born and bred right there in trinidad just like you.
BTW, you livin in sunny florida and flyin in when ever yuh fell too, just like the donald, and yuh breakin on pro, ah poor blue colar worker who could only afford tuh skype. ;D
I can't afford Skype, I normally use my neighbour's computer! ;)
skype is free :D
You really are dumb aren't you?! Do you honestly think I don't know that?! ::)
::)
you said you cannot afford skype and you are calling me dumb :D
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read this HYDMC.
bow to the queen and shut yur kont. I have more respect for those who do the daily grind in Tand T and complain bout SOE, than jokers like you who feel you have a say because you happen to be born there and 'visit' once in a f**king while. you have the option to jump on the plane with ah 3 piece of kfc after 2 weeks and say f**k that.
is like complaining bout sand when you live far from the beach. yuh kont!
Eh golden gun, why yuh cussin de man so nasty fuh?? take it easy fella, de man have rights too. after all, he born and bred right there in trinidad just like you.
BTW, you livin in sunny florida and flyin in when ever yuh fell too, just like the donald, and yuh breakin on pro, ah poor blue colar worker who could only afford tuh skype. ;D
I can't afford Skype, I normally use my neighbour's computer! ;)
skype is free :D
You really are dumb aren't you?! Do you honestly think I don't know that?! ::)
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you said you cannot afford skype and you are calling me dumb :D
Now you’ve done it twice!! :o
You are obvious much too dumb to work out when someone is being sarcastic!
In fact evidence shows you may not even know the meaning of the word so I suggest you go look it up so you don’t come again and make the same embarrassing mistake for the 3rd time! ::)
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BrownSugar and Jah Gol (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn3SWPe1WUo) Daiz for alyuh. :beermug:
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Ok its official, we will be living under an SOE and curfew from now on.......its apparently the only way to reduce murders and hence boast that you are fighting crime...... ::) ::)
October, lowest for homicide in 20 years
Director of the Public Affairs Unit of the Police Service, Sharon Lee Assang, says crime has been the lowest in the past month than any month in the past 20 years. Lee Assang was speaking at yesterday’s news conference at the Police Administration Building, Port-of-Spain. “This October recorded 11 homicides for the month which is the smallest number per month in the past 20 years," she said.
She said the homicide figure stood at 297 for the year compared with 397 last year. Lee Assang also said the Organised Crime, Firearms and Narcotics Bureau recovered a firearm on Thursday night at La Resource Road in Arouca. A report said around 11.15 pm, the officers went to a bamboo patch and discovered a firearm with six rounds of ammunition in a black plastic bag.
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2011/10/29/october-lowest-homicide-20-years (http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2011/10/29/october-lowest-homicide-20-years)
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We under SoE/curfew and we STILL have murders going on. :bs:
waiz d point?
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The decrease in the murder rate is something positive for the country. My contention remains though that the police recorded as of July this year a decline in number of homicides as compared to that same period last year. In reality that decline is more significant that the decline experienced in the extraordinary circumstances of a state of emergency and its attendant curfew.If and when the the SoE is lifted it will be interesting to observe the statistical trends.
As much I opposed the SoE I don't think we will have an immediate criminal backlash next year as some believe. However my optimism ends there since structure that supports the nefarious underworld has remained embarrassingly intact. The overall success of the SoE I feel will be determined by our ability to prosecute violent criminals and their overlords. If we note the outcomes of many of these matters then that prospect is decidedly dim.
My opposition to the violation of civil liberties,the inconvenience and obvious economic adversity caused by the SoE/curfew is unchanged.
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TTPS: Stay indoors or be locked up
Monday 24th October, 2011
People living in curfew areas should not be in their yards during curfew areas.
The warning came from members of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service Public Affairs Unit on Monday as they urged citizens to stay inside their homes and not just inside their premises.
Ms Sharon Lee Assang, the TTPS Public Affairs Director, said: "The public needs to pay attention to the law. It is quite clear. Outdoor is outdoor, whether you are in your garage, gate, outdoor is outdoor. If you are inside, you are inside."
Ms Lee Assang also cautioned those who might want to be technical by claiming that being in their yard qualifies as being indoors.
She again said: "You can't be outdoors and indoors at the same time. The law is very clear in what it states."
The curfew is in effect between 11pm and 4am.
The Regulations governing the curfew can be found in Legal Notice 164, Emergency Power Regulations, Section Three which says: "No persons shall be permitted to be out of doors."
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=33826&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Assang denies curfew remarks (http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=33982&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
Thursday 27th October, 2011
Director of the Public Affairs Unit of the Police Service, Ms Sharon Lee Assang, has denied telling people they cannot be in their yards during curfew hours.
At Thursday's daily media briefing, she said she made a comment. Instead, she insisted she was just reading a document.
She told reporters: "What I read is exactly what the State of Emergency law was clear. I said that the law was clear, I read the clause. I cannot interpret the law. I cannot describe the law. I am not a lawyer."
The Minister of National Security, Brigadier John Sandy, and Deputy Commissioner of Police, Mr Mervyn Richardson, both said Ms Lee Assang's comments were wrong.
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This Assang woman single? Cute?
If she dis dotish it cyah be too hard tuh squeeze she head.
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This Assang woman single? Cute?
If she dis dotish it cyah be too hard tuh squeeze she head.
Bakes trust mih you doh want to see or hear she.....just imagine somebody who is the PR person for the police would, for example, deliver the news that another coup was underway in downtown POS while smiling broadly as though she was announcing the day's ice cream flavour.....steups!! I eh know where dey find she......
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This Assang woman single? Cute?
If she dis dotish it cyah be too hard tuh squeeze she head.
Bakes trust mih you doh want to see or hear she.....just imagine somebody who is the PR person for the police would, for example, deliver the news that another coup was underway in downtown POS while smiling broadly as though she was announcing the day's ice cream flavour.....steups!! I eh know where dey find she......
some thing about her doesnt sit right with me...i can only watch her out of d corner of my eye and if i watch her head on i start to fidget..i dont trust anyone who talks through their teeth...
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This Assang woman single? Cute?
If she dis dotish it cyah be too hard tuh squeeze she head.
Bakes trust mih you doh want to see or hear she.....just imagine somebody who is the PR person for the police would, for example, deliver the news that another coup was underway in downtown POS while smiling broadly as though she was announcing the day's ice cream flavour.....steups!! I eh know where dey find she......
some thing about her doesnt sit right with me...i can only watch her out of d corner of my eye and if i watch her head on i start to fidget..i dont trust anyone who talks through their teeth...
Brownie yuh validating mih point doh... she sound like she mixed with bimbo, lol
Mukumsplau what yuh expect from ah PR (aka spin) person?
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doh like d way she speaks apart from d airhead feel to she, I ent diggin d "accent" either.
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Nine more freed
Originally printed at http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Nine_more_freed_-133056543.html
By Stories by Akile Simon
November 2, 2011
NINE men of Sangre Grande and Toco accused of being gang members were yesterday set free because of a lack of evidence.
The release of the men brings to an end several weeks of charges being dismissed against people charged under the Anti-Gang Act, which began on September 12, with the release of the "Nelson Street 21".
Statistics by the Public Affairs Unit (PAU) of the Police Service revealed that a total of 449 people were arrested under the legislation with 236 charged since the start of the State of Emergency on August 21.
An Express tally to date showed that 236 people have already had charges dismissed against them throughout the country. The PAU's figures did not take into account an additional seven accused people whose matters are being pursued by Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) Roger Gaspard.
Senior State attorney George Busby yesterday informed Sangre Grande Magistrate Anna Ryan that Gaspard asked that the matters be discontinued against the men.
There was jubilation outside the courthouse as the men accused of being members of an unnamed gang in Cumana Village, Toco and the G-Unit Blue Pitt gang at Wallenville, Sangre Grande, were freed.
The accused men included Lloyd "LJ" Solomon, 29, who was charged with being the leader and a member of the G-Unit Blue Pitt gang. Ashton "Lappe" Beckles, 24; Victor "Doolie" Trim, 26; and David "Peel" Moore, 25, all of Wallenville Road, were charged with being members of the same gang.
Trevor "Foxy" King, 36, was also charged with being the leader and member of an unnamed gang in Cumana Village, Toco, while Karrel Parvy, 30, and brothers Ron and Reno Sampson, both aged 30, and Garfield Joseph were charged with being members of the same gang.
Addressing the court, Busby indicated that, based on the statements Gaspard received in the matters against the men, he (Gaspard) was of the view there would not be a successful prosecution.
He however maintained that the arrest and detention of the men were justified since 'there was reasonable suspicion that the men had committed an offence'.
"... (The DPP) considered all the statements and the DPP was of the view that, in neither of the cases, the evidential stage of the full code test was passed and some of the considerations he made was the admissibility of the evidence- that some of it was hearsay and would not be admitted- the creditability, the reliability, or the accuracy."
"When he (Gaspard) looked at all of those considerations, he felt that the broad extent of the criminality had not been proven and therefore there was no reasonable prospect of conviction since the tests that he applied in deciding in whether to continue a charge- that there is a reasonable prospect of conviction- he felt that there wasn't such in either of these matters," Busby said.
He later stated that Gaspard had decided not to offer any evidence against the nine men, who were later told by Ryan that they were free to go. They were represented by attorneys Carl Quamina, Armelle Francis, Trevor Clarke and Ivan Daniel while Cpl Junior Bernard laid the charges.
The freed men declined to speak with the media after exiting the courthouse where they hugged and kissed family and friends, under the watchful eyes of heavily armed officers from the Eastern Division Task Force who were providing additional security around the court.
Meanwhile, seven other men— members of the alleged Deportee Gang in Sangre Grande- will go on trial before Ryan on November 16 . Each accused has secured attorneys to represent them.
The accused are Shawn "Fat Shawn" Homer, 33, who is charged with being the leader and a member of the Deportee Gang at McShine Street, Sangre Grande; Anand Mohepath, 27; Alvin Fitzpatrick, 30; Kadeem "Bully" Romero, 22; brothers Carlos and Marlon Gonzales, ages 31 and 29; and Shawn "X-Man" Sandy, 36; were charged with being members of the same gang.
The trial date was agreed to by Busby, the prosecutor in the case, and attorneys for the accused. The accused are the first, since the enforcement of the Anti-Gang Act and the arrests of 236 alleged gang members, Gaspard had decided to pursue gang-related charges. Detective Verson Jeanville of the Eastern Division CID charged the accused.
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There is a theory going around that the Govt are hoping that Xmas and carnival will distract the T&T public from putting heavy pressure on the govt once the SOE ends.
When you notice how the big names are no longer anywhere to be seen, you can see the way they hope people just won't bother to ask questions. Remember the days when the A.G. and Sandy were on tv every day? How do they spend their days now? Why aren't they being questioned?
If that report is to believed, out of 236 charged under the anti gang legislation, there is a 100% failure rate!
How much money has this farce cost the taxpayers?
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I don't think the entire thing was a failure. I believe Gibbs when they say they received intelligence from the detainees. I can't believe that those fellas wouldn't have been interrogated by the police. What that intelligence translates into is another matter. The number of releases are very discouraging.
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So I was busy as a bee last 2 wks. Somebody tell me dat Kamla say dat d police ask 4 d SOE and after 2day I can strt 2 eat JAPS as Kamla Foolish Curfew comes to an end.
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So I was busy as a bee last 2 wks. Somebody tell me dat Kamla say dat d police ask 4 d SOE and after 2day I can strt 2 eat JAPS as Kamla Foolish Curfew comes to an end.
SOE done?
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if that is true then let's see if they will do what it takes to get d police to do dey job properly, it goh take balls and it goh have police fightin tooth and nail to maintain d status quo
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The National Security Council is meeting as we speak and a Press Conference will be held at 5 pm most likely to address the SOE and its dotish pardna the curfew.
My feeling is the curfew would be lifted because they have to bow to the wishes of the business community but the SOE will be kept in place......but we'll see at 5.....
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http://www.youtube.com/v/gz0V0-iHcxQ
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http://www.youtube.com/v/gz0V0-iHcxQ
So curfew done??
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With immediate effect.
The State of Emergency remains and will be reviewed on an ongoing basis.
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With immediate effect.
The State of Emergency remains and will be reviewed on an ongoing basis.
So we is Libya now indefinite SOE.
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NO CURFEW! - Breaking News
Story Created: Nov 7, 2011 at 6:27 PM ECT
Story Updated: Nov 7, 2011 at 6:37 PM ECT
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/NO-CURFEW---Breaking-News-133393263.html
The 11 p.m. to 4 a.m. curfew has been lifted.
Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar made the announcement at a press conference, this evening.
But while the Government has “removed the curfew on land and sea with immediate effect”, the State of Emergency remains.
The State of Emergency was declared by the PM on August 21. In an address to the nation on that day, Persad-Bissessar said: “We have the will to tackle the crime problem in Trinidad and Tobago. We have the commitment to place every resource at our disposal towards waging and winning this war on crime. We will succeed. The nation must not be held to ransom by marauding groups of thugs bent on creating havoc on our society. We will hunt them down search them out and we will bring them to justice."
Today, the PM declared the State of Emergency successful in “substantially reducing criminal activity”.
“The statistics tell us that we have achieved success.
"It saved our nation."
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Herman Cain could do with some lessons from Jack and Kamla eh...
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Well, now its time for reflection.
Kamla says the curfew has been a success and gang leaders are running in fear. I'm actually quite worried now because in my mind, its the criminals that have won. No big fish have been caught, 236 gang members have been released without charge. So, whats the message we are sending the criminal fraternity.....we tried our most potent weapon, and yet they're all still free to continue. Yeah, we found some guns, some drugs and some contraband diesel, but the criminal paymasters are still out there, the arrested gang members are celebrities and theres no crime plan to prevent a return to the previous situation. We don't even know what the event that "would have made 1990 look like a tea party" was.
This is a defeat for law and order and the bandits must be celebrating tonite. People need to be ultra alert as the bandits have 3 months of income to replace.
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Removing the curfew and keeping the SOE reminds me of this post I made way back when we were young and innocent. My theory was so crazy it just cyar work. But 78 days later, which parties would NOW be most affected by keeping it in place.....hhhhhmmm.......
Thanks eh Kamla girl, I am now kinda free......f&*&%$#ng idiots!! ::) ::) :cursing: :bs:
Legal Supplement Part B—Vol. 50, No. 108—21st August, 2011 437
LEGAL NOTICE NO. 163 REPUBLIC OF TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO
THE CONSTITUTION OF THE REPUBLIC OF TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO CHAP. 1:01 REGULATIONS
MADE BY THE PRESIDENT UNDER SECTION 7 OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE REPUBLIC OF TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO
THE EMERGENCY POWERS REGULATIONS, 2011
Prohibition on the holding of public meetings and marches
7. (1) Except with prior permission in writing of the Commissioner of Police, the grant of which shall be in his discretion, no person shall hold or take part in any public march or in any public meeting.
(2) Nothing in this regulation shall apply to any meeting of a class or description referred to in the First Schedule.
(3) Notwithstanding the exception of marches and processions provided for in paragraphs (c) and (d) of the definition of “public march” in regulation 2(1), the Commissioner of Police may prohibit any such march or procession in a public place if, having regard to the time at which and the circumstances in which the march or procession is held or is to be held, he had reasonable grounds for believing that the holding of such march or procession may occasion a breach of the peace or public disorder.
(4) The grant of any permission under this regulation may be subject to such terms and conditions as the Commissioner of Police may think fit for giving effect to these Regulations.
Ah have a theory but its so crazy it cyar work. In fact, mih theory so crazy that if its true then is crazy people running the place…..all I have to say is folks who happy and excited about this SOE curbing crime....I over the moon for all yuh.....but I really, really, really have my doubts.....
We have another 3 months to go.....let's see......
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With the Curfew lifted in Trinidad and Tobago .The Bandit Association of Trinidad and Tobago (BATT) would like to thank you all, the citizens of our nation, for your patience during this time of rest and reflection. From tomorrow, we back in allyuh tail! Thanks again.......
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So we still can't protest and still can't hold public meetings ? Hmm. Thanks Aunty Kamla I going Movie Towne Friday night, Yay.
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So we still can't protest and still can't hold public meetings ? Hmm. Thanks Aunty Kamla I going Movie Towne Friday night, Yay.
:rotfl: ENJOY D MOVIEEEEEE
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Well, now its time for reflection.
Kamla says the curfew has been a success and gang leaders are running in fear. I'm actually quite worried now because in my mind, its the criminals that have won. No big fish have been caught, 236 gang members have been released without charge. So, whats the message we are sending the criminal fraternity.....we tried our most potent weapon, and yet they're all still free to continue. Yeah, we found some guns, some drugs and some contraband diesel, but the criminal paymasters are still out there, the arrested gang members are celebrities and theres no crime plan to prevent a return to the previous situation. We don't even know what the event that "would have made 1990 look like a tea party" was.
This is a defeat for law and order and the bandits must be celebrating tonite. People need to be ultra alert as the bandits have 3 months of income to replace.
You could plant plenty ochro in 3 months...
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I would like to thank the PP for their outstanding environmental stewardship.
With our increasing population, The catch-and-release program gives police departments an opportunity to catch more another day. It also helps to preserve fish populations that are challenged by numerous outside factors. When females are released they are given another chance to spawn. This is vital to maintaining fish populations because the cycle of life is not interrupted.
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Well, now its time for reflection.
Kamla says the curfew has been a success and gang leaders are running in fear. I'm actually quite worried now because in my mind, its the criminals that have won. No big fish have been caught, 236 gang members have been released without charge. So, whats the message we are sending the criminal fraternity.....we tried our most potent weapon, and yet they're all still free to continue. Yeah, we found some guns, some drugs and some contraband diesel, but the criminal paymasters are still out there, the arrested gang members are celebrities and theres no crime plan to prevent a return to the previous situation. We don't even know what the event that "would have made 1990 look like a tea party" was.
This is a defeat for law and order and the bandits must be celebrating tonite. People need to be ultra alert as the bandits have 3 months of income to replace.
You could plant plenty ochro in 3 months...
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: All yuh real like shyte on this forum yes......
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This...
“The statistics tell us that we have achieved success.
"It saved our nation."
reminds me of this..
(http://www.esoterically.net/weblog/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/bush-mission-accomplished.jpg)
That's a really irresponsible statement IMHO :beermug:
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http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/CURFEW_ENDS_-133412783.html
CURFEW ENDS!
...But State of Emergency stays, says PM
By Anna Ramdass anna.ramdass@trinidadexpress.com
Story Created: Nov 7, 2011 at 11:43 PM ECT
Spontaneous celebration erupted across the nation last night as news spread that the curfew accompanying the State of Emergency had been lifted.
Patrons at a downtown Port of Spain bar danced, waved and shouted as they viewed the live televised announcement made by Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar.
Her announcement came one day after she returned from a two-week trip to Australia and a three-hour meeting of the National Security Council, attended by top law enforcement officials.
In her absence there had been mounting calls from the business community for the curfew to be lifted to once again breathe life into the economy crippled by the shutdown of night-life.
Five days ago, then acting Prime Minister Winston Dookeran said the State of Emergency and the curfew would continue because it had "a tremendous impact" on violent crime.
The tension and pent up frustration of the patrons was doused with quick succession of alcohol shots.
With Machel Montano's "Vibes cyar done" playing in the background, at the D'Bocas restaurant, on Independence Square, Port of Spain, patrons shouted in unison "Woi" as the news that the almost two-and-a-half-month-long curfew was no more.
It seemed that no-one cared that the State of Emergency remained in effect.
"We could real drink now," said one of the celebrating patrons who was being shoved about and hugged by a multitude of friends.
"That thing was real stress", said another patron as the now overwhelmed bartender struggled to keep up with the many demands of shots following the Prime Minister's announcement.
A bottle of Goldschlager and Jagermeister quickly left the bar shelf as some drinkers opted not to settle with the regular rum, puncheon or Scotch to celebrate the news.
"Is a Liquid Cocaine we want," said four patrons who had no problem forking out the $40 for the shot.
In her address, at the Office of the Prime Minister, in St Clair, Persad-Bissessar announced yesterday that the 11 p.m. to 4 a.m. curfew, governing 17 crime hotspots across the nation and expanded to three nautical miles of the coastline will be lifted with immediate effect.
However, she said the State of Emergency will continue and be reviewed continuously.
The end of the curfew comes two months and 17 days after the Prime Minister on August 21, announced declaration of a State of Emergency and a 9 p.m, to 5 a.m. curfew in selected "hot spots" will be imposed on the country.
On September 4, the Parliament debated to extend the State of Emergency by three months (which expires on December 5) which was approved with Government's majority and a new 11 p.m. to 5 a.m. curfew was implemented.
Persad-Bissessar said the many calls to end the State of Emergency and curfew "weighed heavily on my mind" and she did not wish to burden anyone one hour longer than necessary.
"I wish to advise that the National Security Council has recommended and the Government has agreed to remove the curfew on land, in Trinidad and Tobago. That means as of tonight the land and maritime curfew imposed on the identified crime hot spots will be lifted," she said.
The Prime Minister also made it clear that Government reserves the right to impose limited curfews where and when necessary as advised by the National Security Minister Brigadier John Sandy.
Sandy, Commissioner of Police (CoP) Dwayne Gibbs and Chief of Defence Staff Brig Kenrick Maharaj were also present.
Although the country still remains in the dark as to what was the crisis that triggered the State of Emergency in the first place, the Prime Minister said that a crisis was averted and the primary reasons for the State of Emergency was achieved.
She said a war was waged against the criminals and now they are left trembling.
She paid tribute to the protective services for this saying they took this nation from a "brink of disorder and chaos" and restored law and order.
The Prime Minister said while a complete victory is not in order, the battle has been won to a large extent.
"When gang leaders tremble in fear, we have won. When the crime rate plummets, we have won. When guns and ammunition are removed from the streets that could have killed one more innocent man, woman or child, we have won. When one family can sleep better at night, we have won. When justice prevails, we have won. When illegal drugs are seized and destroyed and their operations shut down, we have won," said Persad-Bissessar.
She added that victory also lies when the business community and citizens can join hands and make the sacrifice required by enduring the State of Emergency and the curfew for the greater good.
She said several years of anti crime efforts had not removed the weaponry, drugs and criminals as this State of Emergency did.
With the State of Emergency still in effect, the joint patrols of army and police will continue.
Persad-Bissessar noted that prior to the State of Emergency there were 6,146 police officers deployed throughout the country. This was increased to 10,316 law enforcement personnel, boosted by members of the Regiment, Air Guard and Coast Guard.
The thousands of law enforcement will therefore continue to guard the nation as the State of Emergency continues.
The Prime Minister said the imposition of the State of Emergency was no easy decision but she stressed that this was a "weapon" that comes from our Constitution.
She also dismissed political commentators and the Opposition who had said from the on set that there was no need for a State of Emergency and the existing laws and security forces could have been used to do the very thing that was done during the State of Emergency.
"This is absolutely wrong and patently mischievous. It is unfortunate that we continue to be saddled by an Opposition which refuses to work with the Government in the national interest and apparently prefers instead to snipe and mislead citizens for narrow partisan reasons, even when the truth is already in the public domain," she said.
The Prime Minister added that 20,000 jobs in low income communities will be generated through an employment creation intervention.
"We started the fight against crime as soon as we entered office. We will continue now and tomorrow to wage war against criminals and the criminal element," said Persad-Bissessar.
—with reporting by Gyasi Gonzales
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http://www.newsday.co.tt/news/0,150213.html
SoE STAYS
By SEAN DOUGLAS Tuesday, November 8 2011
“THE CURFEW IS OVER on Trinidad and Tobago soil and sea,” said Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar. “The state of emergency remains, under continuous review.”
With those words, Persad-Bissessar lifted the 11 pm to 4 am curfew, as of last night, from Trinidad and Tobago’s crime hot-spots, but kept the state of emergency (SoE), speaking at a televised news conference at the Office of the Prime Minister (OPM), St Clair.
“I wish to advise that the National Security Council (NSC) has recommended and the Government has agreed to remove the curfew on land and sea in Trinidad and Tobago immediately as I speak,” she said yesterday.
“The state of emergency will stay in effect and this will be reviewed on a continuous basis. So the curfew is lifted both on land and sea, immediately. We will review that as well, from day to day, as we continue to monitor the situation and get our reports from the protective services.”
She said the SoE had let TT avert a crisis in the form of a clear threat to national security and the date on which the SoE was declared, August 21, was a historic date for protecting democracy and freedom in TT. In the early weeks, the curfew was 9 pm to 5 am before it was later revised to 11 pm to 4 am.
“I stand by that decision, as advised by the Minister if National Security, that immediate action had to be taken.”
She said the SoE had been justified by unacceptable levels of crime. Saying the political risks of enacting the SoE were of no consequence to her compared to the people’s safety, she alleged the Opposition had preferred to snipe and mislead citizens for narrow partisan reasons.
“At a time when the nation was crying out for a united assault on crime, the Opposition politicians failed miserably to rise to the defence of the citizenry against a marauding criminal force.”
She said with the unanimous nod of the NSC and Cabinet, she had made a decision that had not been easy, but had kept within the Constitution and the law.
Persad-Bissessar hailed those who had fought the criminals.
“You, our protective services, have taken this nation from the brink of disorder and chaos and restored law and order and ensured that our democracy remains intact,” she said.
“You have wrested the control and confidence away from criminals who felt they could threaten and do what they wanted with impunity and now they are on the run and public confidence in the ability of our protective services is beginning to return,” said Persad-Bissessar. “Psychologically, relieved of living in fear and from a sense of hopelessness, the state of anxiety and vulnerability felt by the public gradually went away.”
She said the nation had won, through the SoE and curfew.
“We do not claim a complete victory. There have been challenges along the way, but undoubtedly, the battle has been won to a large extent. Due to the SoE and curfew, the gang leaders tremble in fear, the crime rate plummets, guns are taken off the streets that could have killed innocent persons, families can sleep better, justice has prevailed and illicit drugs are seized.
“The criminal elements saw a nation joining together against them, in support of thousands of our best and bravest members of the joint protective services ...”
More weapons, drugs and criminals had been seized in the last two and a half months, than in several years of anti-crime efforts prior, said Persad-Bissessar. Saying the SoE and curfew were more than a success, she said, “It saved our nation. It redeemed all previous failed attempts. It has made Trinidad and Tobago safer than it has been for a very long time.”
Persad-Bissessar gave figures to show the SoE had led to a drop in crime. Murders fell from 46 cases in the month before the SoE to just 18 for the same period during the SoE and curfew, a 60 percent drop. “Gang related homicides were reduced by an even higher percentage.”
For the same period, serious crimes such as robbery with aggravation, house- breaking and rape fell by more than half (51 percent), while car-theft fell by 73 percent.
She emphasised the drop in murders in three different ways.
Murders from January 1 to October 31 fell from 400 cases last year to 302 this year. For the SoE/curfew period of August to October 201l, just 35 murders had occurred, down from 70 for the same period last year.
Likewise last month saw just 13 murders — the lowest in two decades — compared to 30 for October 2010.
She gave figures to show that the period of January to October (which included the SOE/curfew period) had seen more detection of crimes, such as the seizure of firearms and ammunition, and illicit narcotics. More marijuana (107,000 kilogrammes) was seized during the SoE period she said than in all of 2010 (39,000 kilogrammes). Some 166 kilogrammes of cocaine was seized this year (including 13.8 kilogrammes during the SoE/curfew), compared to just 82 kilogrammes last year.
Some 12,000 bullets were seized this year, compared to 5,000 bullets last year.
Persad-Bissessar said the SoE/curfew had put more boots on the ground, up from the usual cohort of 6,146 police officers who are deployed in shifts across TT.
“On the very first day of the SoE, as we added the personnel from the various TT Regiment, the Air Guard and the Coast Guard this effective number of security personnel directly involved in crime fighting was increased by 71 percent to 10,316.”
She said serious crimes fell from 583 cases in the fortnight before the SoE, by a 43 percent drop in the first fortnight of the SoE. Citizens know there was a drastic reduction in murders, rapes and robberies during the SoE/curfew, she asserted.
She said the SoE and curfew were successful, as shown by a better interaction between the protective services and citizenry, and the taking back of the streets by the community. “In addition the independence of the Judiciary remains intact, the courts remain free and open, and justice is accessible for any citizen who feels aggrieved.”
She said there is more to be done, as the fight against crime does not end with the SoE and curfew.
She noted the NSC has said the SoE and curfew have cut criminal activity, disturbed the drugs/crime/guns cycle, boosted intelligence-gathering, helped army-police collaboration, improved the capacity to monitor criminals and resulted in some being charged.
“Certain exercises to ensure we don’t slip back into the level of criminality will remain and the government reserves the right to impose limited curfews where and when necessary as advised by the Minister of National Security,” said Persad- Bissessar. Her future plans include measures to boost the Central Intelligence Command, retain joint patrols, expand CCTV coverage (across cities, malls and vulnerable areas), target social and cultural initiatives to help community life and create 20,000 jobs in low-income communities. Persad-Bissessar ended by thanking everyone for their patience and cooperation during the SoE/curfew period. Despite the changes she urged citizens to continue to take caution in all they do, and be aware of the law and the lawless.
Flanked by Minister of National Security, Brigadier John Sandy; Commissioner of Police Dwayne Gibbs and Chief of Defence Staff Colonel Kenrick Maharaj, whom she had met at the NSC, the Prime Minister’s speech had the flavour of an address to the nation. She took no media questions.
Afterwards Attorney General Anand Ramlogan told Newsday the difference between the SoE and curfew. He said, “All of the emergency powers regulations shall continue, except the curfew. So that means that all search and seizure, all of those other regulations, will continue except the curfew.”
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Now more confusing announcements!! The curfew has been lifted but we must stay off the streets! ::)
SoE remains, stay off the streets
By Anna-Lisa Paul Wednesday, November 9 2011
Even as the state of emergency continues and although the curfew has been lifted, members of the public are warned that they still cannot congregate on the nation’s streets as they will be in breach of the state of emergency regulations.
Senior police officials told Newsday that while it is now acceptable for bars and restaurants to remain open until their specified closing time, patrons at these establishments should not be seen gathering on the roadway in front of the respective place as it could be defined as a public place.
Section 2 (1) of the Emergency Regulations Act 2011 defines a public place as “any highway, street, public park or garden, any beach and any public bridge, road, lane, footway, square, court, alley or passage, whether a thoroughfare or not, and includes any open or enclosed space to which, for the time being, the public have or are permitted to have access whether on payment or otherwise.”
Speaking during the daily police briefing at the Police Administration Building in Port-of-Spain yesterday, Public Affairs Director, Sharon Lee Assang said advice will be sought from the Legal Unit of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service as to what exactly persons can do now that the curfew has been lifted.
Responding to questions from reporters about whether persons can resume hosting out of doors parties, Lee Assang said, “The state of emergency regulations quite clearly define what is acceptable and what is allowed. I will have to go to the legal department to outline what exactly has or has not changed with the lifting of the curfew.”
Questioned as to the anticipated increase in crime that is now expected in light of the curfew being lifted, Lee Assang assured measures have been put in place to ensure that crime is kept to a minimum.
Revealing that there is greater collaboration among the various arms of the protective services, Lee Assang said, “We have seen a marked decrease in serious crime because of that collaboration and we want to continue with that to ensure the public feels safe in their environment. I can assure you that the situation that prevailed before the state of emergency will not take place after the state of emergency.”
Adding that officials had already started introducing crime plans in the nine police divisions as the Christmas season approaches, Lee Assang said the authorities are ready for the influx of persons who will be out and about.
http://www.newsday.co.tt/news/0,150273.html
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http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2011/11/08/emergency-threat-unions
Emergency a threat to unions
so end it now, says Rowley
Published: Wed, 2011-11-09 22:06
Richard Lord
Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley says the retention of the state of emergency was intended to prevent the labour movement and politicians opposed to the Government from conducting their legitimate business. He said this during yesterday’s news conference at his Charles Street, Port-of-Spain, office. Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar said the 11 pm to 4 am curfew was lifted with immediate effect on Monday. It was declared on August 21, 2011, to deal with escalating crime in T&T. Yesterday, Rowley demanded its immediate discontinuation. He said the curfew had several negative effects on the economy and citizens alike. Rowley said children were starving while a curfew was in effect because their parents had either lost their jobs or worked for reduced hours and were unable to meet their daily commitments.
He said he wanted to know the reasons for maintaining the state of emergency. He said there was no answer to that question. “The state of emergency provided no meaningful contribution to policing in Trinidad and Tobago. The state of emergency only exists to preserve the regulations of the emergency,” he said. Rowley said citizens’ rights and freedoms were being abridged and infringed by the regulations of the state of emergency. “These regulations, as they continue to exist, are aimed at the political and labour activity in this country,” Rowley told reporters. He said while the state of emergency was a horrible failure “the regulations permit the Government to control the activities of the Opposition and the labour movement.”
He then called on the Persad-Bissessar “to end the state of emergency now! End it today.” Rowley added: “It makes no contribution to proper policing and it is damaging to the moral of the country.” He said the Government was abusing its authority by maintaining the state of emergency regulations. Rowley said the retention of the regulations was effectively “causing the Government to control the legitimate activities of the Opposition and the labour movement.” He added: “This continuation of the state of emergency is a naked, political advantage-seeking action on the part of the Government and (it) must end immediately.” He said the regulations “are not aimed at criminals, they are aimed at law-abiding citizens who will like to go about our law-abiding business without having to ask for permission, please.”
Rowley said it was “absolute nonsense” for Persad-Bissessar to say the police had saved T&T’s democracy by the efforts during the state of emergency. Rowley said T&T’s democracy was not under any threat. He said the Police Service had been “demoralised and disgraced” after it was unable to prosecute hundreds of citizens arrested because of a lack of evidence. Rowley insisted a state of emergency was not required for the police to do its work of securing the state. He said the Opposition offered to meet with the Government days before the emergency was imposed. Questioned about the possibility of co-operation with the Government in the future, Rowley said the Opposition could not trust the People’s Partnership Government.
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Responding to questions from reporters about whether persons can resume hosting out of doors parties, Lee Assang said, “The state of emergency regulations quite clearly define what is acceptable and what is allowed. I will have to go to the legal department to outline what exactly has or has not changed with the lifting of the curfew.”
So, its all so clear that even Assang has to go ask someone, so how de ass are we supposed to know?
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Discussion going on right now on TV6!
http://www.tv6tnt.tv/TV6_Brightcove/default2.html
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http://www.newsday.co.tt/news/0,150327.html
Party outdoors? Seek police permission first
Thursday, November 10 2011
The Trinidad and Tobago Police Service is urging citizens to seek permission from the Commissioner of Police before holding any event.
At the police briefing yesterday at Police Administration Building, Sackville Street, Port-of-Spain, Public Information Officer Sgt Wayne Myster said the problem when persons congregate they could breach the Motor Vehicle and Traffic Act. “It may have persons congregating in the streets but the problem will be contravening the Motor Vehicle and Traffic Act. Such as blocking off streets, unnecessary obstruction, parking in no parking zones, parking on the pavements, those are offences under normal circumstances. Citizens have to be very mindful that you must get permission from the CoP to hold these gatherings,” he said.
He added that they were not against people having their private parties it was just important they sought permission first. “People who have their private parties, we are not against that, we are urging citizens if you are having an activity that will contravene the Motor Vehicle and Traffic Act you must seek permission to do these things,” he said.
When asked if persons still had to seek permission if they were holding an event on the beach, he said, “Yes.”
“For a beach party you will have to have a licence to have loud speakers, even on the beach offences can be committed. Persons will also have to have a bar licence, you must get the necessary licence and permission to do these things,” he said.
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So before May 24th 2010, CEPEP and URP were horrible, horrible, horrible, downright evil creatures of the PNM.....now it will be tool to fight crime post SOE.......
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
oooooohhhhh gaaarrdddd oooooyyyeeeee......dey doh have a clue!!!.....bunch a facking idiots..... :cursing: :bs: :bs: :banginghead:
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There is a theory going around that the Govt are hoping that Xmas and carnival will distract the T&T public from putting heavy pressure on the govt once the SOE ends.
When you notice how the big names are no longer anywhere to be seen, you can see the way they hope people just won't bother to ask questions. Remember the days when the A.G. and Sandy were on tv every day? How do they spend their days now? Why aren't they being questioned?
If that report is to believed, out of 236 charged under the anti gang legislation, there is a 100% failure rate!
How much money has this farce cost the taxpayers?
[/quoteI don't think the entire thing was a failure. I believe Gibbs when they say they received intelligence from the detainees. I can't believe that those fellas wouldn't have been interrogated by the police. What that intelligence translates into is another matter. The number of releases are very discouraging.
Agree with u, to me that was the one big disappointing thing about the SOE and and the anti-gang bill.
But at the end of the day, I was glad the SOE and curfew was implemented for a time, I believe it was stopped at the right time as it had reached diminshing returns (at least public communication).
But I agree with the PM, even if we saved one human life from it, you can argue that i was a success, the fact that murders were cut down by a third is a good thing. Lots of contraband was found but my other disappointment is that no higher profile criminals were caught.
The way I see it, the Govt make an attempt to do something to arrest the biggest problem in our country - crime and violence.
Lots of people lambast the effort, thats their right. in this country, like any other, you will have opposition to anything you do - damn if u do and damned if you dont. At the end of the day these decisions are made by people trained in this sort of thing and privy to information that we have no idea even exists (the PM advisers).
Eagerly looking to see how the crime stats go moving into Xmas and Carnival, where traditionally its the highest for the year.
I also wonder - all these people they detain - its standard police procedure to fingerprint arrested people, the police in theory will now have a much more complete database of potential criminals, because lets face it, the majority of the people they detain (whether they were subsequently freed on technicalities or not) are people involved in some sort of illegal activity...
As we on the crime fighting issue, 2 other things I hope they sort out quickly - the current DNA bill before parliament and also the endless network of video surveillance across the nation that was implemented for the CHOGUM.
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the entire exercise has been an abject failure.
The police could have made the same arrests without infringing on civil rights....The SoE continues by the way!
What the government did was make a pappyshow out of crime fighting. They had no idea what to do about the crime, despite their incessant cries of we go solve this issue within 120 days of taking office! They had no clue and so resorted to a tool that the constitution had in place to deal with dire issues of national security.
To this day the threat continues says Minister Sandy...what a joke!
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nothing but nothing will come of the SOE ans all the SOEs to follow as long as police evidence gathering and crime detection procedures are drastically improved, you tink any ah dem inspector an dem can make an "educated" guess based on evidence at d scene of a crime or know d first ting bout establishin ah chain of evidence, I will say it once and I will say it again we needed a team of foreign police trainers to update our police training practices we need to bring d policing courses here or conversely punish d gifting of these international courses to men who set to go on pre-retirement leave...............dat is not ah fuuckin vacation :cursing:.
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the entire exercise has been an abject failure.
The police could have made the same arrests without infringing on civil rights....The SoE continues by the way!
What the government did was make a pappyshow out of crime fighting. They had no idea what to do about the crime, despite their incessant cries of we go solve this issue within 120 days of taking office! They had no clue and so resorted to a tool that the constitution had in place to deal with dire issues of national security.
To this day the threat continues says Minister Sandy...what a joke!
So whats your criteria used to measure success or failure??
Even if you discount the drop in crime over the period, and accept that the SOE really only gave a boost in the arm of the protective services to get more proactive and actually do police work and make arrests, then I consider that somewhat of a success.
The tragedy is that we have to settle for statements like that and we are only spurred into action at these frantic times. Sounds a lot like the T&T football team huh.
PNM, UNC, PP, NJAC - it dont matter who in power, the police service will not just wake up one day and decide to do their jobs at a better level. So lets stop politicizing this whole thing. At the end of the day the Govt in power took a drastic action to arrest crime and violence. They must be commended for at least thinking and implementing something. What level of success it brought is another topic to debate, there are obviously pros and cons. But they DID TRY SOMETHING, and if they didnt, people woulda been saying that they no better than the previous administration. If you use the argument that they politicizing this crime fighting effort, then any thing any party ever do for the good of the nation can be put into that same category, so is best whoever in power just say "fack allyuh - lewwe just coast along every day and hope for the best?"
I know the vast majority of the population and posters here have their political allegiances, and that biases opinions. Maybe its just me as I have been trained to think analytically, wholistically and for myself that I ALWAYS look for all sides of an issue....But I for one commend the Govt in power for at least trying something. When the previous administration brought in the blimps, set up the radars and bought the OPV vessels and send the coastguard men to Portsmouth to train, I commended them on that.
When they set up SAUTT and brought in the experts from the developed countries, I commended them on that. When the UNC was in power and set up the E-999 and bought all them vehicles I commended them on that. When the UNC hanged the 10 murders under their watch I commended them on that.
But:
When the PNM decided to meet with the community leaders I lambasted them on that. When the UNC didn't support the PNM's last set of crime bills in Parliament, I lambasted them on that. When the PP decided to pull the plug on the OPV project I cuss whole day.
I commend effort.
I do not condone indifference, opposition just for politics rather than a common good, or cynicism just for cynicism's sake with no alternative suggestions that ARE REALISTIC AT THE TIME.
Just imagine you have a hypothetical country somewhere in the world where they do a poll and the overwhelming topic of concern is the crime and violence that destroying that country. Then the Govt go out and try something and the general population get vex with them.
Just for a minute, think about what an outsider looking in at that country will think of the mental capacity of the citizens of that country.
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You all over the place. The very day before the soe, roodlal who is head of government businesses said ther was absolute no need for a soe.
Next day soe in we ass.
They did not think out anything.
They reacted in typical knee jerk reaction, and to this day the soe continues and we have no valid reason for it in the first place.
You measure success in strange ways. The bandits are on the street again, and.now they know the police plans.
Success? Lock a, man up for 4 months with no charge and then he is released. That is success?
Success is locking up the bad guys for good. Not letting them out to sure and continue their criminality with impunity
The police don't need any damn soe to do their work.
They need leadership. They need political will, not abrogation of civil.rights
That is banana republic thinking.
Open yuh damn eyes
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the entire exercise has been an abject failure.
The police could have made the same arrests without infringing on civil rights....The SoE continues by the way!
What the government did was make a pappyshow out of crime fighting. They had no idea what to do about the crime, despite their incessant cries of we go solve this issue within 120 days of taking office! They had no clue and so resorted to a tool that the constitution had in place to deal with dire issues of national security.
To this day the threat continues says Minister Sandy...what a joke!
So whats your criteria used to measure success or failure??
A consistent and protracted period of consistently lower levels of crime accomplished with a comprehensive crime fighting iniative. So far we had a curfew and a State of emergency, is that a crime plan or a desperate move to appear like yuh doing something, yuh know we trinis and we small mindedness nah....
Even if you discount the drop in crime over the period, and accept that the SOE really only gave a boost in the arm of the protective services to get more proactive and actually do police work and make arrests, then I consider that somewhat of a success.
The tragedy is that we have to settle for statements like that and we are only spurred into action at these frantic times. Sounds a lot like the T&T football team huh.
So the police needed a state of emergency to get proactive? steups, ah not buying that shit, de same way they were deployed to the streets during the SoE they could have been deployed sans an SoE and curfew with the same imperative and mission..doh try to play smart with dotishness! Please don't compare football with the denial of civil rights..chalk and cheese!
PNM, UNC, PP, NJAC - it dont matter who in power, the police service will not just wake up one day and decide to do their jobs at a better level. So lets stop politicizing this whole thing. At the end of the day the Govt in power took a drastic action to arrest crime and violence. They must be commended for at least thinking and implementing something. What level of success it brought is another topic to debate, there are obviously pros and cons. But they DID TRY SOMETHING, and if they didnt, people woulda been saying that they no better than the previous administration. If you use the argument that they politicizing this crime fighting effort, then any thing any party ever do for the good of the nation can be put into that same category, so is best whoever in power just say "fack allyuh - lewwe just coast along every day and hope for the best?"
So how is the police service doing better now? Just because the government du jour declared a state of emergency? How many of the arrests led to successful prosecutions of the so-called gangsters and big fish or little fish? Last I saw most were set free and are now in legal wrangles to get compensated for wrongful arrests! They did try something, they tried to hoodwink the sheeples and apparently they were successful with some. They are no better than the last except in the eyes of their rabid and blind supporters, and in some respects they are worse! As for coasting along and saying fack allyuh..isn't that what they did? By making it ok for people to be plucked from the streets, to deny the right to peaceful assemblage, to deny the right to gather and protest..what is that saying? How de f**k is a trade union march a threat to national security these days, but when they were in opposition it was cool and they encouraged the same marches? When was a political meeting a threat to national security? I guess when it is the opposition hyuh? How is the prevention of political meetings and marches by trade unions a threat? Riddle me that?
I know the vast majority of the population and posters here have their political allegiances, and that biases opinions. Maybe its just me as I have been trained to think analytically, wholistically and for myself that I ALWAYS look for all sides of an issue....But I for one commend the Govt in power for at least trying something. When the previous administration brought in the blimps, set up the radars and bought the OPV vessels and send the coastguard men to Portsmouth to train, I commended them on that.
When they set up SAUTT and brought in the experts from the developed countries, I commended them on that. When the UNC was in power and set up the E-999 and bought all them vehicles I commended them on that. When the UNC hanged the 10 murders under their watch I commended them on that.
But:
When the PNM decided to meet with the community leaders I lambasted them on that. When the UNC didn't support the PNM's last set of crime bills in Parliament, I lambasted them on that. When the PP decided to pull the plug on the OPV project I cuss whole day.
So yuh alone does see things objectively and holistically? lol, doh m,ake me spit out my wheaties. Yuh could commend and lambaste til yuh blue in de gills. this SoE was a farce and a knee jerk reaction...is like yuh commending Jack when we make it to de world cup..fella even a broken clock is right twice in a day..and this PP is no damn clock...the country is on auto pilot and if not for at least a few hard working civil servants and techonocrats we woulda be in deeper shit.
I commend effort.
I do not condone indifference, opposition just for politics rather than a common good, or cynicism just for cynicism's sake with no alternative suggestions that ARE REALISTIC AT THE TIME.
Yuh really all over de place. The SoE come like a hail mary in yankee football, throw it up and hope.......
Just imagine you have a hypothetical country somewhere in the world where they do a poll and the overwhelming topic of concern is the crime and violence that destroying that country. Then the Govt go out and try something and the general population get vex with them.
Just for a minute, think about what an outsider looking in at that country will think of the mental capacity of the citizens of that country.
Just imagine in that same hypothetical country yuh had a hypothetical working government! Imagine that eh, and yuh had these hypothetical people in dat country that were serious thinkers....I bet you none ah dem woulda support the arbitrary abrogation of civil rights, but in this here Green fig republic..is anything!
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the entire exercise has been an abject failure.
The police could have made the same arrests without infringing on civil rights....The SoE continues by the way!
What the government did was make a pappyshow out of crime fighting. They had no idea what to do about the crime, despite their incessant cries of we go solve this issue within 120 days of taking office! They had no clue and so resorted to a tool that the constitution had in place to deal with dire issues of national security.
To this day the threat continues says Minister Sandy...what a joke!
So whats your criteria used to measure success or failure??
A consistent and protracted period of consistently lower levels of crime accomplished with a comprehensive crime fighting iniative. So far we had a curfew and a State of emergency, is that a crime plan or a desperate move to appear like yuh doing something, yuh know we trinis and we small mindedness nah....
Even if you discount the drop in crime over the period, and accept that the SOE really only gave a boost in the arm of the protective services to get more proactive and actually do police work and make arrests, then I consider that somewhat of a success.
The tragedy is that we have to settle for statements like that and we are only spurred into action at these frantic times. Sounds a lot like the T&T football team huh.
So the police needed a state of emergency to get proactive? steups, ah not buying that shit, de same way they were deployed to the streets during the SoE they could have been deployed sans an SoE and curfew with the same imperative and mission..doh try to play smart with dotishness! Please don't compare football with the denial of civil rights..chalk and cheese!
PNM, UNC, PP, NJAC - it dont matter who in power, the police service will not just wake up one day and decide to do their jobs at a better level. So lets stop politicizing this whole thing. At the end of the day the Govt in power took a drastic action to arrest crime and violence. They must be commended for at least thinking and implementing something. What level of success it brought is another topic to debate, there are obviously pros and cons. But they DID TRY SOMETHING, and if they didnt, people woulda been saying that they no better than the previous administration. If you use the argument that they politicizing this crime fighting effort, then any thing any party ever do for the good of the nation can be put into that same category, so is best whoever in power just say "fack allyuh - lewwe just coast along every day and hope for the best?"
So how is the police service doing better now? Just because the government du jour declared a state of emergency? How many of the arrests led to successful prosecutions of the so-called gangsters and big fish or little fish? Last I saw most were set free and are now in legal wrangles to get compensated for wrongful arrests! They did try something, they tried to hoodwink the sheeples and apparently they were successful with some. They are no better than the last except in the eyes of their rabid and blind supporters, and in some respects they are worse! As for coasting along and saying fack allyuh..isn't that what they did? By making it ok for people to be plucked from the streets, to deny the right to peaceful assemblage, to deny the right to gather and protest..what is that saying? How de f**k is a trade union march a threat to national security these days, but when they were in opposition it was cool and they encouraged the same marches? When was a political meeting a threat to national security? I guess when it is the opposition hyuh? How is the prevention of political meetings and marches by trade unions a threat? Riddle me that?
I know the vast majority of the population and posters here have their political allegiances, and that biases opinions. Maybe its just me as I have been trained to think analytically, wholistically and for myself that I ALWAYS look for all sides of an issue....But I for one commend the Govt in power for at least trying something. When the previous administration brought in the blimps, set up the radars and bought the OPV vessels and send the coastguard men to Portsmouth to train, I commended them on that.
When they set up SAUTT and brought in the experts from the developed countries, I commended them on that. When the UNC was in power and set up the E-999 and bought all them vehicles I commended them on that. When the UNC hanged the 10 murders under their watch I commended them on that.
But:
When the PNM decided to meet with the community leaders I lambasted them on that. When the UNC didn't support the PNM's last set of crime bills in Parliament, I lambasted them on that. When the PP decided to pull the plug on the OPV project I cuss whole day.
So yuh alone does see things objectively and holistically? lol, doh m,ake me spit out my wheaties. Yuh could commend and lambaste til yuh blue in de gills. this SoE was a farce and a knee jerk reaction...is like yuh commending Jack when we make it to de world cup..fella even a broken clock is right twice in a day..and this PP is no damn clock...the country is on auto pilot and if not for at least a few hard working civil servants and techonocrats we woulda be in deeper shit.
I commend effort.
I do not condone indifference, opposition just for politics rather than a common good, or cynicism just for cynicism's sake with no alternative suggestions that ARE REALISTIC AT THE TIME.
Yuh really all over de place. The SoE come like a hail mary in yankee football, throw it up and hope.......
Just imagine you have a hypothetical country somewhere in the world where they do a poll and the overwhelming topic of concern is the crime and violence that destroying that country. Then the Govt go out and try something and the general population get vex with them.
Just for a minute, think about what an outsider looking in at that country will think of the mental capacity of the citizens of that country.
Just imagine in that same hypothetical country yuh had a hypothetical working government! Imagine that eh, and yuh had these hypothetical people in dat country that were serious thinkers....I bet you none ah dem woulda support the arbitrary abrogation of civil rights, but in this here Green fig republic..is anything!
having remembered that you stated you were in the US Navy or Army (correct me if I am wrong), in your opinion what are some measures the government could have taken to alleviate the criminal elements within our country and address the impending problems with our police force?
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You all over the place. The very day before the soe, roodlal who is head of government businesses said ther was absolute no need for a soe.
Next day soe in we ass.
They did not think out anything.
They reacted in typical knee jerk reaction, and to this day the soe continues and we have no valid reason for it in the first place.
You measure success in strange ways. The bandits are on the street again, and.now they know the police plans.
Success? Lock a, man up for 4 months with no charge and then he is released. That is success?
Success is locking up the bad guys for good. Not letting them out to sure and continue their criminality with impunity
The police don't need any damn soe to do their work.
They need leadership. They need political will, not abrogation of civil.rights
That is banana republic thinking.
Open yuh damn eyes
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The reason the government can get away with this dotishness SoE continuing is because there are currently so many dotish or traumatised people living in T&T who are so desperate for some relief from crime that they will accept almost anything that is presented to them as a crime fighting tool!
Fix the police force with their evidence gathering and crime fighting procedures, root out police corruption and give the criminals once caught longer jail sentences and even bring back hanging, etc and crime will be reduced dramatically in T&T!
These things do not require a SoE but I would have still rated the SoE as successful even if just one BIG Fish who brings drugs and guns into the country to feed criminal behaviour and gang warfare was caught but not one BIG fish has been caught so far!!
This SoE has been one big mamaguy but dotish and traumatised folks who are not thinking logically will fall for it hook line and sinker!
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I know the vast majority of the population and posters here have their political allegiances, and that biases opinions. Maybe its just me as I have been trained to think analytically, wholistically and for myself that I ALWAYS look for all sides of an issue....But I for one commend the Govt in power for at least trying something. When the previous administration brought in the blimps, set up the radars and bought the OPV vessels and send the coastguard men to Portsmouth to train, I commended them on that.
For all your supposed training you talking ah pack ah "wholistic" shit.
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Controversial, being in the military is not qualification fro crime fighting!
Dais why Sandy is shit!
Dat said, the same way yuh could have the police on the streets in numbers with the soldiers and dem, and de Coast Guard stepping up sea patrols...why a SoE needed?
De same way yuh command dem to hit de road during the SoE why not before?
The trouble is leadership and lack of training.
Plain and simple, imagine a home invasion and ah rape in T&T the Sautt men arrive to find de duct tape used to bind and gag the victim was under a police man boots!!!
They still was using black and white film in this day and age of digital imaging!
The police always finding big drug hauls and rarely ever holding the men behind the drugs..ask why!
Imagine drugs, money and guns and ammo in the ceiling of ah senior police office office..wha dey do? Dey went and move it and make big headlines, instead ah watching the place with hidden surveillance and busting whoever behind it...they den transfer police to other stations..dais detective wuk?
Soe and curfew is stop gap measures when yuh desperate and have no idea...imagine Sandy say de threat remains but dey remove de curfew...steups..carry on smartly sheeples...allyuh have bags ah wool..ting is all de wool over allyuh eye!
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Controversial, being in the military is not qualification fro crime fighting!
Dais why Sandy is shit!
Dat said, the same way yuh could have the police on the streets in numbers with the soldiers and dem, and de Coast Guard stepping up sea patrols...why a SoE needed?
De same way yuh command dem to hit de road during the SoE why not before?
The trouble is leadership and lack of training.
Plain and simple, imagine a home invasion and ah rape in T&T the Sautt men arrive to find de duct tape used to bind and gag the victim was under a police man boots!!!
They still was using black and white film in this day and age of digital imaging!
The police always finding big drug hauls and rarely ever holding the men behind the drugs..ask why!
Imagine drugs, money and guns and ammo in the ceiling of ah senior police office office..wha dey do? Dey went and move it and make big headlines, instead ah watching the place with hidden surveillance and busting whoever behind it...they den transfer police to other stations..dais detective wuk?
Soe and curfew is stop gap measures when yuh desperate and have no idea...imagine Sandy say de threat remains but dey remove de curfew...steups..carry on smartly sheeples...allyuh have bags ah wool..ting is all de wool over allyuh eye!
Too much dotish/gullible/controversial people living in T&T these days which is why they voted in the current government and getting what they deserve now!!
No one with an ounce of intelligence would back this SoE that the government called and up to now they can't give a justifiable reason for calling it or keeping it going this long!!
Here are the three main reasons why the government called the SoE but don't want to say in the hope that generally dotish/gullible/controversial people in T&T cyah work it out!
1. The Unions cyah strike and protest about pensions, 5% pay-rise, etc
2. They could fool dotish people and make them feel they trying to do something serious about fighting crime but not one big fish who probably help to fund their election campaign getting catch!
3. The year to year crime figures will now artificially show that they doing a better job at reducing crime than previous government when the truth is all they do is press the pause button during a crime movie!
Right now ah calling on all the intelligent folks who left T&T to head back home and help as the country need allyuh bad because is like the general population left back home are the dotish/gullible ones who willing to put up with all this nonsense the current government doing plus is them gullible ones self who vote them in!
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I know the vast majority of the population and posters here have their political allegiances, and that biases opinions. Maybe its just me as I have been trained to think analytically, wholistically and for myself that I ALWAYS look for all sides of an issue....But I for one commend the Govt in power for at least trying something.
Suspending the civil rights of citizens in order to "try something" makes sense to you?? Steups!! You sound like the fellas The Mighty Sparrow sang about in "Well Spoken Moppers". They tried to sound educated and proper but kept using all the wrong terms, words and phrases in their effort to greet and praise him. In the end they just ended up talking a pack of shyte......just like you.....
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ROBO COP set free!!!...
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oooohhh gggaaarrrddd oooyyeee.....aye.....de "Big fish" get let go!! The SOE is a success man..... :rotfl: :rotfl:
f*&%(*%$ng idiots!!!.... :cursing: :cursing: >:( :bs: :bs:
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Trini dread, i feel like you take the words straight off my keyboard... Mind the wolves label yuh all kinda PP apologist now.
I personally was disappointed with several aspects to do with how the SoE was implemented and executed and alot of things could have been done better. I'm especially disappointed that proper due diligence wasn't done before going after known criminals, leaving the legal loopholes open for them to be released. I expected to see bigger weapons and ammunition hauls and more decisive blows to criminals.
Also, i don't discount the obvious political motivation behind the exercise, namely the stifling of the union movement. I can't tell allyuh when last I hear the term "5%".
My opinion is that they decided to call the SoE at first as a matter of urgency, but then they realize after the fact what could be accomplished across the board with it (politically too), and kinda make up the whole thing as they went along.
Nevertheless, I commend them for taking bold, drastic action and like allyuh say "trying something". And everyone who clamoring that an SoE was not needed i see as being disingenious.
All the suggestions being offered as alternatives to the SoE, like putting more police on the streets or stepping up patrols or issuing directives simply "getting police to do their jobs", is the same alternatives that were being parrotted for how much years. Allyuh make it sound so easy to change a deep rooted cultural mindset.. The fact is, all of those alternatives COULD NOT be effected without some sort of intervention.
Getting the criminal element in Trinidad to respect the power of our security forces, garnering intelligence and letting criminals know that they are being monitored and "shaking shit up" so to speak, COULD NOT be effected without some sort of intervention.
Getting the society on the whole to have respect for the law again and understand that we are not living in a lawless society, COULD NOT be effected without some sort of intervention.
So if 6 months to a year down the road, I see that the level of crime, murders and state of society reverts to its pre-SoE state i will say that it was a failed exercise. And I will feel real hopeless too, because it will be like nothing we do could help we.
If however I see some kinda lasting effects, an overall reduction in crime and a positive societal change, then i'm not sure how people can discount the success of the SoE.
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So if 6 months to a year down the road, I see that the level of crime, murders and state of society reverts to its pre-SoE state i will say that it was a failed exercise. And I will feel real hopeless too, because it will be like nothing we do could help we.
If however I see some kinda lasting effects, an overall reduction in crime and a positive societal change, then i'm not sure how people can discount the success of the SoE.
You see I think that is the difference between me and you. Besides me being a PNM and you being a PP.... ;D You keep wanting to adopt a wait and see approach as though you expecting some kinda strategy, or plan or vision or goal or objective to be revealed in time to come. And I keep trying to tell yuh it eh have none so doh bother to wait and see nutten......but yuh harden, like stick break in yuh ears.....you keep wanting to light flambeaux in de night to see trouble when you could see it in broad daylight.
Honestly, Dinho at the start of this SOE/curfew, ent you did expect them fellas who were held to make some serious jail time?? Ent you didn't expect them to be back out on the streets so soon?? What were your expectations at the start because to come and say you disappointed now kinda like shifting the goal post. And you talk about not being able to change a culture overnight, so what was expected with a three month SOE/curfew?? Especially since NUTTEN eh change behind the scenes in the way the police/army operates.....so what we really went through all this drama for?? And tell mih why we still have the SOE in place?? What sense does it make now??
You is the same Dinho who say when Jack first reach on the scene and start to outline this and outline that to give him time and measure him by the deadline he sets. Alright then, where the personalised number plates?? Where the reformed Licensing?? Flooding solved yet?? Ah saying that to say, doh forget to check we back in 6 months - year to tell we how things going eh......I hoping I wrong but mih eh seeing nutten on the horizon to tell I am.......
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Trini dread, i feel like you take the words straight off my keyboard... Mind the wolves label yuh all kinda PP apologist now.
Btw, who you calling a wolf?? :shameonyou: ;D
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Trini dread, i feel like you take the words straight off my keyboard... Mind the wolves label yuh all kinda PP apologist now.
I personally was disappointed with several aspects to do with how the SoE was implemented and executed and alot of things could have been done better. I'm especially disappointed that proper due diligence wasn't done before going after known criminals, leaving the legal loopholes open for them to be released. I expected to see bigger weapons and ammunition hauls and more decisive blows to criminals.
Also, i don't discount the obvious political motivation behind the exercise, namely the stifling of the union movement. I can't tell allyuh when last I hear the term "5%".
My opinion is that they decided to call the SoE at first as a matter of urgency, but then they realize after the fact what could be accomplished across the board with it (politically too), and kinda make up the whole thing as they went along.
Nevertheless, I commend them for taking bold, drastic action and like allyuh say "trying something". And everyone who clamoring that an SoE was not needed i see as being disingenious.
All the suggestions being offered as alternatives to the SoE, like putting more police on the streets or stepping up patrols or issuing directives simply "getting police to do their jobs", is the same alternatives that were being parrotted for how much years. Allyuh make it sound so easy to change a deep rooted cultural mindset.. The fact is, all of those alternatives COULD NOT be effected without some sort of intervention.
Getting the criminal element in Trinidad to respect the power of our security forces, garnering intelligence and letting criminals know that they are being monitored and "shaking shit up" so to speak, COULD NOT be effected without some sort of intervention.
Getting the society on the whole to have respect for the law again and understand that we are not living in a lawless society, COULD NOT be effected without some sort of intervention.
So if 6 months to a year down the road, I see that the level of crime, murders and state of society reverts to its pre-SoE state i will say that it was a failed exercise. And I will feel real hopeless too, because it will be like nothing we do could help we.
If however I see some kinda lasting effects, an overall reduction in crime and a positive societal change, then i'm not sure how people can discount the success of the SoE.
The whole argument of trying to use a SoE as a long term crime fighting measure and trampling on the rights of the average citizen as a result is a seriously flawed one!
Using a SoE in this regard is equivalent to pressing the pause button during a “Terminator” movie because you find that Arnold has killed way too many people in the last 15 minutes and yuh need a little break from the killing and bloodshed! If you don't deal with the reason why Arnold is killing everything that moves during the break then he will continue to kill at the same rate as he was doing when you release the pause button for the movie to continue!
The fact that no big fish get caught so far during this SoE means that all the conditions for crime are the same as it was before the SoE was called and in fact some criminals may be out to make up for lost time once the SoE is lifted!
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Doing something different to the norm without properly thinking through the steps to effective implementation utlimately renders said difference to be the same.
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Doing something different to the norm without properly thinking through the steps to effective implementation utlimately renders said difference to be the same.
Nah they try ah ting so we should b doin cartwheels.
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I believe history will record the SOE and curfew as one of the greatest acts of desperation ever carried out by a T&T government. They are only safe because the opposition is so poor. I heard Herbert Volney speaking this morning. His answer to every question was to blame the PNM for politicising everything. He then continued and blamed the PNM for whatever topic was dicussed:
The new DNA act? PNM only objecting for the sake of objecting. None of them are legally trained. It takes months of work by the best legal minds to construct a bill that works.
The Anti Gang laws? The PP gave respect to PNM by including their clauses. Before that, it was perfect. It only didn't work because the police didn't understand it. The crime problem was allowed to spiral under PNM.
The $60 million NEC fraud disclosed this week? Thats not my department...its the Finance Minister. If there were loopholes in procedures under the PNMs watch, we haven't had time to deal with it yet.
The thing is this. The govt have still refused to divulge the reason for the SOE that would make 1990 look like a tea party. Why the panic?
Why did no one from the govt take time to work with the protective services to explain the boundaries in which they could operate within.
Why wasn't the Santa Rosa compound prepared in advance?
Why did the govt call the SOE when Gibbs was out of the country?
Why didn't govt request help from other countries to ensure the big fish were caught?
Why did the govt not request to borrow additional equipment such as choppers equipped with infra red scopes, additional drug locating equipment, mobile phone and email interception equipment?
I have no problem with the curfew or SOE if it was conducted properly and the real criminal rings were smashed. However, I do have a problem with being lied to and fed a bucket load of govt propaganda.
This was nothing more than political kneejerking. Maybe if the 236 arrested under the Anti Gang legislation were tried and imprisoned, we could have supported it. But all I see is a lot of people who had outstanding warrants being re arrested, a load of rusty old guns are off the streets and we found a diesel scam.
This is not a worthwhile return for removing peoples rights.
And if the panic is over, why can't unions or political parties meet? There is absoloutely no need to deny them their rights...if fact, they should have been issued licences so they could meet inside the curfew.
But its all ok, coz now we have parang and big business can make their profits. Who wants to bet that curfew returns in March?
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Doing something different to the norm without properly thinking through the steps to effective implementation utlimately renders said difference to be the same.
:thinking: :thinking:
Deep. Profound. Well said, Mr. G. Well said.......
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I believe history will record the SOE and curfew as one of the greatest acts of desperation ever carried out by a T&T government. They are only safe because the opposition is so poor. I heard Herbert Volney speaking this morning. His answer to every question was to blame the PNM for politicising everything. He then continued and blamed the PNM for whatever topic was dicussed:
The new DNA act? PNM only objecting for the sake of objecting. None of them are legally trained. It takes months of work by the best legal minds to construct a bill that works.
The Anti Gang laws? The PP gave respect to PNM by including their clauses. Before that, it was perfect. It only didn't work because the police didn't understand it. The crime problem was allowed to spiral under PNM.
The $60 million NEC fraud disclosed this week? Thats not my department...its the Finance Minister. If there were loopholes in procedures under the PNMs watch, we haven't had time to deal with it yet.
The thing is this. The govt have still refused to divulge the reason for the SOE that would make 1990 look like a tea party. Why the panic?
Why did no one from the govt take time to work with the protective services to explain the boundaries in which they could operate within.
Why wasn't the Santa Rosa compound prepared in advance?
Why did the govt call the SOE when Gibbs was out of the country?
Why didn't govt request help from other countries to ensure the big fish were caught?
Why did the govt not request to borrow additional equipment such as choppers equipped with infra red scopes, additional drug locating equipment, mobile phone and email interception equipment?
I have no problem with the curfew or SOE if it was conducted properly and the real criminal rings were smashed. However, I do have a problem with being lied to and fed a bucket load of govt propaganda.
This was nothing more than political kneejerking. Maybe if the 236 arrested under the Anti Gang legislation were tried and imprisoned, we could have supported it. But all I see is a lot of people who had outstanding warrants being re arrested, a load of rusty old guns are off the streets and we found a diesel scam.
This is not a worthwhile return for removing peoples rights.
And if the panic is over, why can't unions or political parties meet? There is absoloutely no need to deny them their rights...if fact, they should have been issued licences so they could meet inside the curfew.
But its all ok, coz now we have parang and big business can make their profits. Who wants to bet that curfew returns in March?
FS, what wrong with you?? Yuh asking too many questions......doh hot up yuh head. Just go down on the Avenue and fete yourself away tonight.......the government know what dey doing......leave it to them..........*singing and dancing* "No curfew, no curfew"......
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Ahh, finally a post that looks at the issue objectively!
Try to address your very valid questions.
I believe history will record the SOE and curfew as one of the greatest acts of desperation ever carried out by a T&T government. They are only safe because the opposition is so poor. I agree. Your post here make more sense than Rowley et al in the last 2 months. I heard Herbert Volney speaking this morning. His answer to every question was to blame the PNM for politicising everything. He then continued and blamed the PNM for whatever topic was dicussed: I Don't pay Volney too much mind, he represents everything that is wrong with T&T politics
The new DNA act? PNM only objecting for the sake of objecting. None of them are legally trained. It takes months of work by the best legal minds to construct a bill that works. Agreed.
The Anti Gang laws? The PP gave respect to PNM by including their clauses. Before that, it was perfect. It only didn't work because the police didn't understand it. The ultimate responsibility lies with the lawmakers aka politicians. This is the biggest embarassment I have seen since maybe when the last administration say that the eye in the sky was not really functioning, it was just being used like a scarecrow on the promenade. Blams has to be shared with the Govt/legal dept in the police dept and the investigators who build these cases. The rank and file Police Force not really at fault, they get their orders on who to pickup when. The crime problem was allowed to spiral under PNM. Partly true, but I honestly believe no other party would have made a significant difference. This is also a global phenomenon in developing countries over the last 10-15 years tied to many many different causes. The PNM must be complimented for some measures, no matter what effect it eventually had - the Blimp, the 360 degree radar, the OPV vessels, the anti-kidnapping laws and external help in arresting the problem in 2008 (FBI namely and the Balo Maharaj case which changed the game), community police initiatives, etc etc. They did quite a bit, but it proved not to be enough, so Volney not being fair here. Maybe he just remembers the disaster that was the Govt negotiating with the community leaders strategy?[/color]
The $60 million NEC fraud disclosed this week? Thats not my department...its the Finance Minister. If there were loopholes in procedures under the PNMs watch, we haven't had time to deal with it yet.
The thing is this. The govt have still refused to divulge the reason for the SOE that would make 1990 look like a tea party. Why the panic? Didn't they do this with the drug intel about the big seizure to an extent?? Obviously for security reasons you cant get into too much of that.
Why did no one from the govt take time to work with the protective services to explain the boundaries in which they could operate within.
I am very sure this was done to painstaking measures with the relevant legal representation. This is not the problem of the SoE, except for the argument about being in your yard vs being in the road.
Why wasn't the Santa Rosa compound prepared in advance? Very good point. But then you could argue a case for timely intervention. But still good point.
Why did the govt call the SOE when Gibbs was out of the country? Very good point again. This I think was not done right. I dont agree with the criticism with the PM leaving the country during the SoE, but I agree that the commish should have been there when this was announced.
Why didn't govt request help from other countries to ensure the big fish were caught? Good point. But one has to ask, what was the purpose of the SoE? Was it to arrest an imminent threat or to catch the big fish? Obviously you want to do both, but a lot of the talk about big fish only came about when the politics started about the police herding up young black kids like cattle. Big fish in T&T are notoriously rare - dont you all know this??? Manning once said he knew of one - his frist name was MR and his last name was BIG. Still couldn't reel him in then....
Why did the govt not request to borrow additional equipment such as choppers equipped with infra red scopes, additional drug locating equipment, mobile phone and email interception equipment? Good point again.
I have no problem with the curfew or SOE if it was conducted properly and the real criminal rings were smashed. However, I do have a problem with being lied to and fed a bucket load of govt propaganda.
This was nothing more than political kneejerking. Maybe if the 236 arrested under the Anti Gang legislation were tried and imprisoned, we could have supported it. But all I see is a lot of people who had outstanding warrants being re arrested, a load of rusty old guns are off the streets and we found a diesel scam. So here is the big disconnect - the SoE and the Anti-Gang legislation recently passed are 2 separate things, you dont need a SoE to arrest people for gangs. Just because they messed up royally on the latter means the former was a total waste of time. Use other arguments like above to do that.
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This is not a worthwhile return for removing peoples rights. Depends on who you ask. I suspect the wildly popular Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro, and Ho Chi Minh will disagree with you on that...
And if the panic is over, why can't unions or political parties meet? There is absoloutely no need to deny them their rights...if fact, they should have been issued licences so they could meet inside the curfew. Agreed
But its all ok, coz now we have parang and big business can make their profits. Who wants to bet that curfew returns in March? I will take that bet! The curfew has outlived its usefullness. I agreed with it when it was implemented, but it began to see diminishing returns.
Pro, truetrini, Brownsugar, Bakes - I respect allyuh opinions, I know I does talk shit when I ready, at the end of the day I just want Trinidad to be safer than what we now come to expect as the norm. Whether the SoE will be a success in the long term, we just hadda wait and see. Kinda like with hangings in 1998 - When Dole and the crew was hanged, practically no murders, or maybe just a handful for a whole month in June (Kamla was lying when she said last month was lowest in 20 years), but in the long run, murders increased the year after and continued to do so almost consistently for the next 10 years. Maybe they should have kept hangings going?? I suspect that after the initial shock to the population, murders would have have began to increase slowly again if they had continued to do so...But same thing with this SoE - for 2 and 1/2 months a dramatic reduction in crime, so if u use that metric, they had some success. All we can do now and see what happens in the future as Omar say....
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So if 6 months to a year down the road, I see that the level of crime, murders and state of society reverts to its pre-SoE state i will say that it was a failed exercise. And I will feel real hopeless too, because it will be like nothing we do could help we.
If however I see some kinda lasting effects, an overall reduction in crime and a positive societal change, then i'm not sure how people can discount the success of the SoE.
You see I think that is the difference between me and you. Besides me being a PNM and you being a PP.... ;D You keep wanting to adopt a wait and see approach as though you expecting some kinda strategy, or plan or vision or goal or objective to be revealed in time to come. And I keep trying to tell yuh it eh have none so doh bother to wait and see nutten......but yuh harden, like stick break in yuh ears.....you keep wanting to light flambeaux in de night to see trouble when you could see it in broad daylight.
Honestly, Dinho at the start of this SOE/curfew, ent you did expect them fellas who were held to make some serious jail time?? Ent you didn't expect them to be back out on the streets so soon?? What were your expectations at the start because to come and say you disappointed now kinda like shifting the goal post. And you talk about not being able to change a culture overnight, so what was expected with a three month SOE/curfew?? Especially since NUTTEN eh change behind the scenes in the way the police/army operates.....so what we really went through all this drama for?? And tell mih why we still have the SOE in place?? What sense does it make now??
You is the same Dinho who say when Jack first reach on the scene and start to outline this and outline that to give him time and measure him by the deadline he sets. Alright then, where the personalised number plates?? Where the reformed Licensing?? Flooding solved yet?? Ah saying that to say, doh forget to check we back in 6 months - year to tell we how things going eh......I hoping I wrong but mih eh seeing nutten on the horizon to tell I am.......
Easy yuhself sugar, its not about shifting the goalpost. At the start, i said clearly at the time what my short term expectations were and i was very willing to give the SoE a chance. Now that the SoE is done, above I clearly stated where i thought it fell short of those expectations and why i was disappointed, and i am stating my parameters for judging success/failure of it all. It is really that simple.
You labelling me PP where in truth in fact i have no affiliation to any political party, in fact have no faith in politicians on the whole. This is why my position is malleable at times, i could see both sides of the equation. Truthfully, I just enjoy swimming against the PNM undercurrent here on this forum.
You on the other hand being a self professed staunch PNM seem wholly incapable of having any such parameters or measurements of success/failure. The fact that you choose to use Jack as an example, knowing fully well that he is the best performing minister in the administration (possibly among the best performing ministers i have seen operate in Trinidad from since i know anything about politics), and knowing fully well that his role has marginalized since then says plenty about what you bowling.
Of course, lets not even discuss the fact that the SoE was on an overall basis very popular here even among those in the business community suffering losses. But of course, as the learned posters on here who know best would tell it all that is just signs of an "immature population". Smh
I dunno why i keep forgetting that it is basically pointless to argue politics.
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Riddle me this...Why did the Leader of Government Business in the House say just the day before the Soe That there was absolutely no reason for a SoE..and then the next day..SoE in allyuh pweffen....just think about that.
The man was labeled the heir apparent and he and all did not know it was in de making the very day before it was implemented.
Steups..Bold? Nah drastic...nah..Desperate to stifle civil disobedience? YES!
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Riddle me this...Why did the Leader of Government Business in the House say just the day before the Soe That there was absolutely no reason for a SoE..and then the next day..SoE in allyuh pweffen....just think about that.
The man was labeled the heir apparent and he and all did not know it was in de making the very day before it was implemented.
Steups..Bold? Nah drastic...nah..Desperate to stifle civil disobedience? YES!
How you know he didn't know.
How you know he wasn't playing dead to ketch corbeaux alive? (Even though dey end up leggoing plenty corbeaux)
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Nevertheless, I commend them for taking bold, drastic action and like allyuh say "trying something". And everyone who clamoring that an SoE was not needed i see as being disingenious.
"disingenious"? Yuh just see big word and "trying something" or what? Apart from the fact that the word does not exist... even if used accurately it would be misapplied. There is nothing at all disingenuous about the criticism of the SoE as being unnecessary... it's simple logic, to be honest. If police are using their 'regular' powers now to do the things they are doing under the SoE, without having to use their actual 'emergency' powers, then it means their emergency powers are not necessary to the action. If the emergency powers aren't necessary, then the purpose of invoking said emergency powers, i.e. declaration of the SoE is similarly unnecessary. See how that works?
As for this talk about people wasn't respecting police and criminals wasn't taking police serious... *chortle*... so daiz what was behind the crime surge all these years? Dai'z what was standing in the way of effective policing?
Facking jokers.
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You on the other hand being a self professed staunch PNM seem wholly incapable of having any such parameters or measurements of success/failure.
Dinho, before I address anything else you find ah post where I professed to be a staunch PNM supporter........Ah think you getting tie up with my posts where I am being sarcastic having already being "labelled" PNM by forumites simply because I choose not to accept the crap parading for governance currently. So if you discard the posts where I'm being sarcastic about being PNM, you find one thread or post where I have stated in no uncertain terms that I am a PNM supporter.......
Just one....
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You on the other hand being a self professed staunch PNM seem wholly incapable of having any such parameters or measurements of success/failure.
Dinho, before I address anything else you find ah post where I professed to be a staunch PNM supporter........Ah think you getting tie up with my posts where I am being sarcastic having already being "labelled" PNM by forumites simply because I choose not to accept the crap parading for governance currently. So if you discard the posts where I'm being sarcastic about being PNM, you find one thread or post where I have stated in no uncertain terms that I am a PNM supporter.......
Just one....
Hard luck dey i missed the sarcasm, my bad.
Proceed..
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Riddle me this...Why did the Leader of Government Business in the House say just the day before the Soe That there was absolutely no reason for a SoE..and then the next day..SoE in allyuh pweffen....just think about that.
The man was labeled the heir apparent and he and all did not know it was in de making the very day before it was implemented.
Steups..Bold? Nah drastic...nah..Desperate to stifle civil disobedience? YES!
Truetrini, I could go even further back than that and I have said it many times and I'll say it again. For about 2 - 3 weeks before the SOE government Ministers, Gypsy in particular, was up and down the airwaves touting the plans this government had in place, that the murder rate was down, the plans they have in place will take time to bring results etc. etc. If I'm not mistaken I think I heard him either the Friday before the SOE or certainly that same week leading up to the SOE.
And then bam!! just so, just so we get an SOE. Now that indicates to me a lack of cohesion, incoherence and inconsistency. So I say alright, maybe dey was putting things in place behind de scenes for an SOE and just didn't want anybody to know......but clearly everything I have seen thus far indicates what I have been saying all along......this SOE was knee jerk and was not based in any kind of strategy, plan or vision. Just the way they are running the country........
But yeah, because I eh swallowing de propaganda and ah refuse to bend over, I am PNM.....steups!!!! Jokers!!!! :cursing: :cursing: :bs: :banginghead: :banginghead:
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Doing something different to the norm without properly thinking through the steps to effective implementation utlimately renders said difference to be the same.
:thinking: :thinking:
Deep. Profound. Well said, Mr. G. Well said.......
I am sorry to say this but the men here who saying "well at least they try something" regards calling the SoE and ain't thinking about what you just pointed out are as gullible as they come and as dumb as door mats!! :-[
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I fed up arguing dis shit who like d smell ah dey head planted in dey ass let dem be.............
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Proceed..
I personally was disappointed with several aspects to do with how the SoE was implemented and executed and alot of things could have been done better.
You coulda save yuh self the disappointment but yuh harden....
I'm especially disappointed that proper due diligence wasn't done before going after known criminals, leaving the legal loopholes open for them to be released. I expected to see bigger weapons and ammunition hauls and more decisive blows to criminals.
Me too.....so clearly this thing wasn't properly planned out right?? So you call big SOE and thing....this is we last stand and you screw up so big time??!! Nah. Unacceptable!!!
Also, i don't discount the obvious political motivation behind the exercise, namely the stifling of the union movement. I can't tell allyuh when last I hear the term "5%".
I have a crazy theory but its so crazy it just cyar work.....
My opinion is that they decided to call the SoE at first as a matter of urgency, but then they realize after the fact what could be accomplished across the board with it (politically too), and kinda make up the whole thing as they went along.
So dem kinda making up things as they go along under a frigging SOE and people must be cool with that?? Nah man Dinho. This is an SOE yuh know pardna. Ah know de average Trinibagonian really don't care much about civil rights and dem thing as long as dey could fete and de business people like Joe Pires doh care as long as dey making dey money.....but dem curtail my rights and den making it up as they go along??!! Nah man......in a real country the outrage would have been palpable....but here in green fig Republic man just glad to revive Superblue song.....he make real royalties Tuesday gone..... ::)
Nevertheless, I commend them for taking bold, drastic action and like allyuh say "trying something". And everyone who clamoring that an SoE was not needed i see as being disingenious.
Once the SOE got under way and I realised that they police was doing the same thing they were always doing, then I started to wonder why we needed an SOE. I am still confused. You know that the Min of National Security eh arrest or hold anyone under the powers given to him via the SOE?? Why is that?? Where is this threat to the state that triggered the Emergency?? Why was no one held for instigating the emergency?? Because the government could dress it up all dey want as a crime fighting tool, an SOE connotates a direct threat to the state and its institutions....so where is this threat??
All the suggestions being offered as alternatives to the SoE, like putting more police on the streets or stepping up patrols or issuing directives simply "getting police to do their jobs", is the same alternatives that were being parrotted for how much years. Allyuh make it sound so easy to change a deep rooted cultural mindset.. The fact is, all of those alternatives COULD NOT be effected without some sort of intervention.
And this deep rooted mind set is going to be changed in 3 months?? Alright, so we had the intervention. What is the plan post SOE?? Have you heard anything as yet?? I haven't. Maybe it has been said but I've tuned out this government for a few weeks now so maybe I missed it. So if you know do tell. And please doh tell mih nutten about no $300 million for people in hot spots....that is a whole other kettle of fish!!!.... ::)
Getting the criminal element in Trinidad to respect the power of our security forces, garnering intelligence and letting criminals know that they are being monitored and "shaking shit up" so to speak, COULD NOT be effected without some sort of intervention.
Getting the society on the whole to have respect for the law again and understand that we are not living in a lawless society, COULD NOT be effected without some sort of intervention.
Again, how has this SOE accomplished any of these things?? :-\ Again, what is plan B??
So if 6 months to a year down the road, I see that the level of crime, murders and state of society reverts to its pre-SoE state i will say that it was a failed exercise. And I will feel real hopeless too, because it will be like nothing we do could help we.
At the start of this you said you would wait and see. Did you mean wait and see the immediate outcome, which was abject failure IMO, or wait and see 6 months - 1 year?? The longer term is yet to be seen for sure, but ah have a feeling I already know the outcome.....
If however I see some kinda lasting effects, an overall reduction in crime and a positive societal change Dinho, I am sure even the staunch PNMites among us want this too and don't want the government to fail on that front. In fact, it was why some people voted them in. THEY said they had all the solutions for crime. All kinda plan and strategy but all we getting is a setta propaganda and a badly executed SOE, dais why I am partly vex too.....
then i'm not sure how people can discount the success of the SoE.
Like you said, let we wait and see.....
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You on the other hand being a self professed staunch PNM seem wholly incapable of having any such parameters or measurements of success/failure.
Dinho, before I address anything else you find ah post where I professed to be a staunch PNM supporter........Ah think you getting tie up with my posts where I am being sarcastic having already being "labelled" PNM by forumites simply because I choose not to accept the crap parading for governance currently. So if you discard the posts where I'm being sarcastic about being PNM, you find one thread or post where I have stated in no uncertain terms that I am a PNM supporter.......
Just one....
Doh try dat doh pretend that me and u eh d biggest PNM supporters on this site. Doh 4get yuh was meh maid of honour when I marry Patrick.
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Riddle me this...Why did the Leader of Government Business in the House say just the day before the Soe That there was absolutely no reason for a SoE..and then the next day..SoE in allyuh pweffen....just think about that.
The man was labeled the heir apparent and he and all did not know it was in de making the very day before it was implemented.
Steups..Bold? Nah drastic...nah..Desperate to stifle civil disobedience? YES!
How you know he didn't know.
How you know he wasn't playing dead to ketch corbeaux alive? (Even though dey end up leggoing plenty corbeaux)
How could he have made any difference if he had said: yes a SoE was needed.
The man clearly stated that there was no need ofr one...steups..nonsense!
They decided at the last minute...or maybe it was to prevent making 1990 look like a joke ent? Remember that Sandy saying de threat still remains eh?
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You on the other hand being a self professed staunch PNM seem wholly incapable of having any such parameters or measurements of success/failure.
Dinho, before I address anything else you find ah post where I professed to be a staunch PNM supporter........Ah think you getting tie up with my posts where I am being sarcastic having already being "labelled" PNM by forumites simply because I choose not to accept the crap parading for governance currently. So if you discard the posts where I'm being sarcastic about being PNM, you find one thread or post where I have stated in no uncertain terms that I am a PNM supporter.......
Just one....
Doh try dat doh pretend that me and u eh d biggest PNM supporters on this site. Doh 4get yuh was meh maid of honour when I marry Patrick.
Lawd fadder, just ah dis-spell the myth...... ;D
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You on the other hand being a self professed staunch PNM seem wholly incapable of having any such parameters or measurements of success/failure.
Dinho, before I address anything else you find ah post where I professed to be a staunch PNM supporter........Ah think you getting tie up with my posts where I am being sarcastic having already being "labelled" PNM by forumites simply because I choose not to accept the crap parading for governance currently. So if you discard the posts where I'm being sarcastic about being PNM, you find one thread or post where I have stated in no uncertain terms that I am a PNM supporter.......
Just one....
Doh try dat doh pretend that me and u eh d biggest PNM supporters on this site. Doh 4get yuh was meh maid of honour when I marry Patrick.
Lawd fadder, just ah dis-spell the myth...... ;D
Yuh want meh 2 post d pics wit we baliser flowers in we hand ah what.
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You on the other hand being a self professed staunch PNM seem wholly incapable of having any such parameters or measurements of success/failure.
Dinho, before I address anything else you find ah post where I professed to be a staunch PNM supporter........Ah think you getting tie up with my posts where I am being sarcastic having already being "labelled" PNM by forumites simply because I choose not to accept the crap parading for governance currently. So if you discard the posts where I'm being sarcastic about being PNM, you find one thread or post where I have stated in no uncertain terms that I am a PNM supporter.......
Just one....
Doh try dat doh pretend that me and u eh d biggest PNM supporters on this site. Doh 4get yuh was meh maid of honour when I marry Patrick.
Lawd fadder, just ah dis-spell the myth...... ;D
Yuh want meh 2 post d pics wit we baliser flowers in we hand ah what.
nooooooooo Weary stop it yuh just being mischievous......... ;D
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http://wintvworld.com/featured.htm
Debate going on Win TV right now, click link!
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Program on the effect of the SoE on TV6 right now:
http://www.tv6tnt.tv/TV6_Brightcove/default2.html
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hhhhhhhhmmmm........well on to Plan B I guess....which is what again?? oh yes, Colour Me Orange...."hands up, out, down"......oooohhhh gaaarrrddd ooooyeee :rotfl: :rotfl:.....firetrucking jokers!!!..... :banginghead: :cursing: :bs: :frustrated:
Final 7 'gang' accused free
By Akile Simon
SEVEN men-—the remainder of 243 people arrested and charged under the Anti-Gang Act—walked out of the Sangre Grande Magistrates' Court after Director of Public Prosecutions Roger Gaspard offered no evidence against them yesterday.
Shawn "Fat Shawn" Homer, 33, was charged with being the leader and a member of the Deportee Gang, of McShine Street, Sangre Grande, while Anand Mohepath, 27; Alvin Fitzpatrick, 30; Kadeem "Bully" Romero, 22; brothers Carlos and Marlon Gonzales, ages 31 and 29; including Shawn "X-Man" Sandy, 36, were charged with being members of the same gang.
They emerged from the courthouse free men and hugged, kissed and thanked their families and friends for being by their sides throughout their incarceration.
"What they did to us was unjust. After they say they have all this evidence, where the evidence? They lock up and set up innocent people and didn't even have any evidence to do so," Carlos Gonzales said as he drank two bottles of Guinness moments after being freed.
The freed men had initially expected to go to trial before acting Senior Magistrate Ejenny Espinet in the court. On October 15, Gaspard, through Senior State attorney George Busby, indicated he would be pursuing the charges against the seven men.
But yesterday, Busby told Espinet that after a pre-trial discussion was held by Gaspard earlier this week, regarding the case against the men, the DPP decided to discontinue the matters against them.
"...There is now no reasonable prospect of conviction for these men and, therefore, he has indicated that he will be offering no evidence in this matter," Busby said.
The police had arrested 463 people on gang-related charges following the implementation of the State of Emergency on August 21, but only 243 of them were charged with gang offences.
However, DPP Gaspard decided to discontinue the matters against the 243 accused because of a lack of—and in some cases—no evidence against the men, with the final seven being freed in Sangre Grande yesterday.
Over the weekend, Gaspard, speaking at a seminar hosted by the Law Association of Trinidad and Tobago, at the Hugh Wooding Law School in St Augustine, said the Anti-Gang legislation was never needed in order to fight crime.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Final_7__gang__accused_free-134011698.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Final_7__gang__accused_free-134011698.html)
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I say dey have no plan, now BC saying it too.....well BC boy welcome to the club you is a PNM too!!!....and btw stop nit picking..... ::) Firetrucking jokers!!!! :cursing: :bs: :frustrated: :banginghead:
Colour Us Firetrucked
BC Pires
There might be debate as to when exactly the People’s Partnership shuffled off its mortal COP and became the Pretend Partnership, a UNC government in everything but name, but the most rabid UNC supporter would probably concede that, on Tuesday, the UNC stopped pretending to be even the UNC, and simply became the PNM; and not even the “new” PNM but the same-old, same-old PNM, the same shameless, corrupt outfit that, under different guises, has been milking the Treasury since independence; so colour them the New Old PNM and get on with the pappyshow. Of government. On Tuesday, Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar, with even more pomp and ceremony than her immediate predecessor, who was content to fete them at the Crowne Plaza, spent a small fortune to receive Mr Manning’s “community leaders” at the Hilton; and formally promised to hand over bags of cash to people who put on the right colour jersey. The UNC/New-Old PNM’s “new” anti-crime endeavour could properly be called “a scheme” but cannot legitimately be called a “make-work” one; so call it “a make-as-eef-work scheme,” colour the whole programme “the New Cepep-URP” and go down the road.
To perdition. The New Cepep-URP launched on Tuesday was called, I think, “Colour Me American Penitentiary Overalls” and was apparently aimed at the people who, after 50 years of largely uninterrupted PNM (mal-)administrations, have been left with a stark choice between making-as-eef they’re working or making a jail. Newspaper accounts of the event—hosted, ostensibly, by the Housing Development Corporation, but really a Kamla thing—report a large, orange-clad crowd spilling from the lobby onto staircases at the Hilton, all man Jack jostling to sign on with the HDC/ UNC/New-Old PNM “Colour Me Orange” “anti-crime” programme, whose only distinction from Cepep-URP are (1) beneficiaries get a two-weeks instead of a ten-days; and (2) you have to have an orange jersey, not a red one, to collect state money for nothing. If, at the start of the event, you had any doubt about “Colour Me Orange” being anything but the URP with a fresh coat of paint, it was dispelled at the end, when fights broke out and at least one car was damaged as stones flew faster than promises from an election platform. (Please note: I strongly support social safety nets. Without a hand-up from the State, large sectors of our Caribbean populations would be trapped in poverty forever; it’s just that people on the dole should not be fooled into thinking that they’re working, because it annihilates the work ethic; which, sadly, we know all too well in Trinidad, after 40 years of handouts disguised as make-work.)
A couple of UNC “bloggers”—really group e-mail round-robin participants—were honest (and naive enough) to be horrified by the UNC so patently (and so shamefully quickly) doing exactly what they hounded the PNM out of office for doing, but you suspect they’re the usual maverick suspects, the one or two people with a greater commitment to country than party or wallet. Most party people are happy to see them leave: it’s one share more for them when the spoils are divvied up. So there may have been one or two people deeply hurt by what they see as the UNC’s betrayal of the country (by the open cooption of plain Patrick Manning tactics) but they should have known better. In the same way that Carnival has been reduced to a parade of empty-headed winer girls in bikinis, beads and feathers, Parliament has been reduced to a con- glomeration of conmen sweating in ill-fitting suits. No one comes to government with any plan because no one goes to the electorate with one; and the electorate itself votes either on the basis of race or on the need to do something, anything, that might arrest the free-fall.
If there had been any doubt that the UNC/Old People’s Partnership/New-Old PNM had no clue, they removed it boldly when they adopted that worst idea the PNM ever had: the mega-farm. If my father had been alive, it might well have killed him to see the peasant agriculture he had given his whole life to promote being transformed from the best mechanism for creating wealth and transforming farmers into citizens into one more form of minimum wage McJob. Any idea at all about agricultural development—such as giving squatting farmers tenure, or refusing to compensate them for losses due to flooding—would have been better than the most crazy one Mr Manning lifted from the Cubans (where, in any case, mega-farms work completely differently, since private property barely exists there); but the UNC/ New-Old PNM cannot discern that they should invest in privately owned small farms because there is no agricultural policy. And there is no crime policy or plan, because there is no plan at all, just a series of increasingly desperate and more obviously vai-ki-vai voops. Declare a state of emergency, shuffle the curfew hours, walk down the wicket and colour all the sufferers with your jerseys. And, when you find yourself doing exactly what the people who were destroying the place were doing, do exactly what they would do: shoot the messenger and turn up the music. If you find yourself in a jam, turn it into a wine-and-jam. And try to spot the difference between UNC, PNM and obliteration of the nation.
http://www.guardian.co.tt/columnist/2011/11/18/colour-us-firetrucked
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http://www.youtube.com/v/Kb8MCDEdgD4
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:rotfl: :rotfl:
Boy I nearly crash my car over the weekend when I heard that song on the radio. Hear nah, ah feel next year goh be a good year for Calypso...... ;D
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so apparently, the government uncovered a plot to assassinate the Prime Minister ::)
heard that on the news tonight. didnt get the full story tho. and im not interested
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http://www.youtube.com/v/Kb8MCDEdgD4
Great follow-up song to this one from last year!
http://www.youtube.com/v/YkwlB8jeEmA
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I love my facking Prime Minister Kamla.. she have dem dutty stinking wutless pieces of criminals plotting to kill her now because she did something that The wutless Panday and Balls less dumb ass Manning only dreamt of doing . Gwan Kamla dey cya hold yu back we taking we facking country back!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vh-K5kpPd74
war
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Yuh need to learn how to embed yuh videos War! 8)
I love my facking Prime Minister Kamla.. she have dem dutty stinking wutless pieces of criminals plotting to kill her now because she did something that The wutless Panday and Balls less dumb ass Manning only dreamt of doing . Gwan Kamla dey cya hold yu back we taking we facking country back!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/v/Vh-K5kpPd74
war
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ANY alleged assination plot HAS to be taken seriously.
Biggest problem is that we seem to suffer with the "Boy Cries Wolf" of late.
And just like in that fable....de SHEEP does be de ones to dead when things really outta hand.
I wonder if this related to Robocop getting arrested again...ent they said they found pics of ministers with X drawn on their faces and ting? ::)
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And the sheeple bleating again!
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so apparently, the government uncovered a plot to assassinate the Prime Minister ::)
heard that on the news tonight. didnt get the full story tho. and im not interested
Girl, when I heard that last night I just buss one steups and kept going. Then this morning ah hearing that the story didn't even come from an official source in government. The media got the story through a good leak around 4 pm and since that time to now, nobody like Sandy for example eh come and say nutten official, no press conference, no press release nutten.....steups!!! And I'm supposed to take these people seriously??!!.....setta firetrucking jokers!!! :bs: :cursing: >:(
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What all yuh worryin bout. Ent Obama people is she adviser. We now move from colour me orange to code orange. Doh hot all yuh head
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Red herring...smoke herring, salt fish....
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http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/High_Alert-134438523.html
High Alert
Cops arrested as alleged plot uncovered to assassinate Kamla, AG
By Akile Simon
Story Created: Nov 23, 2011 at 11:44 PM ECT
Story Updated: Nov 23, 2011 at 11:44 PM ECT
The National Security Alert has been raised after security forces unearthed an alleged assassination plot against Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar and three senior members of her Cabinet.
Security forces were yesterday placed on high alert after intelligence revealed the assassination plot was expected to be initiated from today.
The Government ministers identified as targets in the alleged plot are National Security Minister Brigadier John Sandy, Attorney General Anand Ramlogan and Foreign Affairs and Information Minister Dr Surujrattan Rambachan.
Police sources said the threat has also extended to certain senior police officers.
National Security adviser Gary Griffith, when contacted yesterday, only confirmed the security of Persad-Bissessar and three members of her Cabinet has been increased. He did not name the ministers.
Griffith, however, refused to divulge any further information regarding the additional security for the State officials. He also refused to confirm or deny the threat against Persad-Bissessar, Ramlogan, Sandy and Rambachan.
Persad-Bissessar and Sandy could not be reached for comment yesterday as calls to their cell phones went unanswered but when contacted, Ramlogan and Rambachan said they had no comment to offer.
Up to late yesterday, more than ten persons were in police custody in connection with the alleged plot. Among them, a police sergeant who was arrested while on duty at the St Clair Police Station. He was taken to the Woodbrook Police Station.
The son of a prominent contractor in Valsayn wass also arrested by police. The suspects are being housed in separate police stations along the East-West Corridor.
A senior Government source said: "This assassination plot, the security forces have stated, is based on the anger of some criminals because of the imposition of the SoE, which was effective. This plot is a well-orchestrted plan to show that the State of Emergency was a dismal failure and an attempt to destabilise the Government."
"The assassination plot on the life of the Prime Minister has raised the National Security Alert state on confirmation of an assassination plot against the PM and three members of her Cabinet.
"Security has been heightened for the Prime Minister and the three ministers. The State is ready and capable of doing what is necessary and has placed all mechanisms in place to dismantle the threat," the source told the Express last evening.
The plot, a senior police said, was hatched by several persons held under the Anti-Gang Legislation while they were in custody at the Golden Grove Prison.
A senior Government minister, who asked not to be named, said, "The police are on high alert about certain matters involving State security. They unearthed an assassination plot against the PM and the AG, who are specific targets, by an extremist fringe group, comprising various discreet elements from criminal underworld gangs and persons suspected to be involved in the international drug and arms trade."
The Government is expected to address the matter later today at the post-Cabinet news briefing.
On Monday, a high-profile security meeting took place at the Police Administration Building in Port of Spain which involved Commissioner of Police Dwayne Gibbs, DCP Mervyn Richardson, other senior police officers and the top brass of the Defence Force.
A massive undercover exercise carried out on Monday night by intelligence agencies resulted in the arrest of Selwyn "Robocop" Alexis. Officers also desperately searched for other persons who have been identified as the assassins in the alleged plot. Many of the suspects, the Express understands, could not be found, and that caused the security alert to be heightened.
Public Information Officer of the Police Service Sgt Wayne Mystar, during yesterday's daily police news briefing, said Alexis remains in police custody, assisting police with enquiries. Mystar refused to say what investigation Alexis was assisting police with.
Alexis, of Freedom Street, Enterprise Village, Chaguanas, was held on Monday at his home and taken to the Belmont Police Station where he remained in custody up to late yesterday. Only two weeks ago, he was released on a murder charge.
Alexis was also detained by officers of the Criminal Intelligence Unit (CIU) while watching television in a multimillion-dollar apartment at One Woodbrook Place, Woodbrook.
During that arrest, which took place on August 30, police claimed they found material which fitted the profile of an assassination attempt against Persad-Bissessar, Ramlogan and Sandy.
But in a recent interview with TV6's Crime Watch talk show host, Ian Alleyne, shortly after being freed on the murder charge, Alexis categorically denied any involvement in a plot to assassinate the senior State officials.
The Defence Force and other security agencies were yesterday placed on high alert, with the Army, Coast Guard and Air Guard ordering all its personnel to report for duty at their various headquarters no later than 11.59 p.m. last night.
There is also going to be a heightened police and army presence in several communities, effective from today, which will involve stop and searches of pedestrians and motor vehicles.
On Tuesday night, DCP Mervyn Richardson, through the Police Command Centre, issued messages to all police stations, special units, branches and sections, advising officers to exercise extreme caution while on duty and pay extra vigilance.
Contacted last evening, Richardson, who whispered on the other line, said he was in a meeting and could not take our call.
I scenting a stronger aroma here......
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However if credible.....with SOE powers in effect....de premises upon which resides the masterminds of this plot could be searched and they could be held at least for a while ent?
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I scenting a stronger aroma here......
Potpourri perhaps?
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Madame PM holding a press conference now. Her opening lines make mih steups all over again. Is ah blasted PR exercise she coming with. Trying to brainwash we into believing the jackass SOE was warranted and ah have a sneaky feeling they are going to try to use this to extent de jackass SOE........steups!!! Look let me put on mih "Home for the holidays - The Ultimate Christmas Collection" CD and calm mih self before ah totally lose it..... :bs: :cursing: >:(
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"Totally Reckless to disclose what that threat is"
Prime Minister giving Gibbs the statistics on de arrests.
"173 guns siezed.....and I have been told that 1 gun can kill 20 people...so you can do the math..."
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"Totally Reckless to disclose what that threat is"
Prime Minister giving Gibbs the statistics on de arrests.
"173 guns siezed.....and I have been told that 1 gun can kill 20 people...so you can do the math..."
Not even near to the amount of people that King Stupid can kill!!
http://www.youtube.com/v/Kb8MCDEdgD4
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Has anyone seen this episode?? Please share any links that if you have them. Really would like to see this.
Unreported World
Series 2011 | Episode 18 | Trinidad: Guns, Drugs and Secrets
Trinidad has become the murder capital of the Caribbean. While half a million tourists soak up the carnival atmosphere every year, the government has introduced a state of emergency to try to stop the gang violence that results in a murder on average every 17 hours.
At 11pm in the capital Port of Spain the atmosphere changes as a strict curfew comes into force and the normally bustling city becomes a ghost town. Reporter Seyi Rhodes and director Will West are only allowed out because they have obtained a special curfew pass for journalists.
The state of emergency has been in force since August and while the murder rate has halved, the killings are continuing.
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/unreported-world/episode-guide/series-2011/episode-18
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Here is direct link to watch video:
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/unreported-world/4od#3259570
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Thanks alot man...Really appreciated. Watching this from a foreigner's viewpoint really puts things into perspective...!!!
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I now coming to post the link.....interesting!!
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@17:05 - 17:12 "The SOE does nothing to dismantle the industry" WOW!! :o :o Really??!! What a revelation!! ::)
@19:00 - 19:43 paraphrasing "The big fish eh getting hold but the little boys are. Dem boys could be replaced so how the crime goh stop??" Really??!! Wow!! What a revelation!! :o ::)
@ 20:05 - 21:20 Gary Griffith tries to BS the reporter.....damn arse!!
Conclusion.....the reporter and Channel 14/Unreported World are PNM supporters!!! ::) ::)
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Behind the scenes on the making of the documentary....the reporter's grandmother lives in Trinidad....
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/unreported-world/articles/trinidad-the-making-of-guns-drugs-and-secrets (http://www.channel4.com/programmes/unreported-world/articles/trinidad-the-making-of-guns-drugs-and-secrets)
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Give thanks, Brownsugar.
Trinidad & Tobago: the latest chapter in Mano Dura policies ... don't expect the outcomes and consequences to be significantly different from those of the previous chapters elsewhere.
Pretty soon some particularly attuned mind will arrive at a "solution" ... one I'm sure no UWI criminologist has on the floor for discussion.
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Give thanks, Brownsugar.
Trinidad & Tobago: the latest chapter in Mano Dura policies ... don't expect the outcomes and consequences to be significantly different from those of the previous chapters elsewhere.
Pretty soon some particularly attuned mind will arrive at a "solution" ... one I'm sure no UWI criminologist has on the floor for discussion.
Doh say that nah, people eh really watching that scene, so doh say to loud. Leh we cross we fingers and hope not. :timeout: :nailbiting:
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History, my friend, is prone to repeating itself ... albeit with modifications.
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The unpleasant reality of all of this is that the TNT we grew up is no longer the same...
Sadly the poor people will always pay for the sins of the rich..
..the reality is that we are only 7 miles from Venezuela and I wouldnt want to be in the shoes of the Coast Guard....it is an almost impossible task rounding up boats on a 24 hour basis similar to the Mexico to US border crossing....
The focus here shouldn't be whether the SOE have averted or changed anything but what is worrying is the level of Corruption...
Policy change at the grassroots level about instructing children what is right and wrong (be it religious institutions, schools, family life, mentoring et al) maybe the only way to go because the elder generation have destroyed the social fabric which will take generations to bring back whatever social values we ever had growing up in that wonderful country....
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The unpleasant reality of all of this is that the TNT we grew up is no longer the same...
Sadly the poor people will always pay for the sins of the rich..
..the reality is that we are only 7 miles from Venezuela and I wouldnt want to be in the shoes of the Coast Guard....it is an almost impossible task rounding up boats on a 24 hour basis similar to the Mexico to US border crossing....
The focus here shouldn't be whether the SOE have averted or changed anything but what is worrying is the level of Corruption...
Policy change at the grassroots level about instructing children what is right and wrong (be it religious institutions, schools, family life, mentoring et al) maybe the only way to go because the elder generation have destroyed the social fabric which will take generations to bring back whatever social values we ever had growing up in that wonderful country....
My father was telling me (he fishes) that from the mang in Venezuela to anywhere on the beach in Quinam, Siparia area, Morne Diablo is 20 minutes tops.
One reason the big boat and them would have been a great addition to the fight against drugs and guns.
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http://www.channel4.com/programmes/unreported-world/articles/trinidad-the-making-of-guns-drugs-and-secrets
Unreported World
Trinidad: The Making of Guns, Drugs and Secrets
Friday 25 November 2011
Reporter Seyi Rhodes took us to the island home of his ancestors to examine Trinidad's shocking transformation from carnival island to Caribbean murder capital in Trinidad: Guns, Drugs and Secrets.
I love Trinidad. My grandma lives in Trinidad. It's a beautiful country populated by laid-back fun-loving people. The food is great, the drinks are wonderful and even the tentacles of American culture (the most profitable branch of KFC in the world) haven't diluted the culture of the island and its people too much. It's a paradise island in more ways than one. If you want to chill on the beach with beautiful people you can do that here. If you want to dig for oil there's lots of that too. Even bankers are welcome in Trinidad's thriving financial services sector. If you're a drug smuggler then the island is filled with coves and inlets in which you can hide your activities from prying eyes.
But (and there was always going to be a but) everyone wants a piece of paradise, and those willing to take it without asking often end up with the lion's share. That's what seems to be happening in Trinidad, with international narco-traffickers moving in and using the island as a part of their global smuggling operation. Where the smugglers go, so does corruption and before you know it you're living in Mexico or Guatemala - countries where official corruption has permeated deeply.
It's already hard to understand the government's position on many issues. They cancelled a £150 million contract for 3 new coast guard boats this year, claiming they were too expensive, but many in the know told me they were essential in the fight against drug and gunrunners.
The state of emergency itself is another good example of this seemingly disjointed approach. On the 15th August the government introduced new Anti-Gang legislation. As one local lawyer explained, "The act was copied and pasted from a similar law in America, or somewhere - but we don't know how to make it work." Seven days after the act was made law, the Government introduced a State of Emergency - citing gang violence as the main reason. The police dutifully rounded up all the gang members they knew of and stuck them in prison. The problem was in the wording of the anti-gang act. It turned out the only evidence of gang membership that could be accepted in court had to come from before 15th August. Unfortunately the police didn't know that. As a result most of the alleged gang members were released.
The state of emergency wasn't designed to deal with official corruption and hasn't managed to net any major drug traffickers. It's aimed at the street-level crime that affects people on a day-to-day basis, but offers no sustainable solution to the country's problems. In many ways it could be making things worse. Most of the released gang members plan to sue the government for unfairly imprisoning them, which could prove costly.
Meanwhile in the poorest areas it's clear that gangster culture has taken over. With no clear route into any of the legitimate industries that are thriving here, young men go for the seemingly glamorous option of selling drugs for a living. And its not just drugs - kidnapping and extortion have been increasingly common too.
Beyond all this, many Trinidadian people feel the state of emergency's nightly curfew is destroying their favourite occupation "liming". Liming is a national past time and basically involves hanging out with friends. Everyone does it most evenings. Trinis love to lime.
The people I met seemed to openly acknowledge that the State of Emergency won't solve Trinidad's long-term problems. They feel corruption and white-collar crime are getting out of hand. They told me all sorts of stories about businesses, specific politicians and well-known police officers. Criminologists and journalists repeated many of these allegations. But for the moment nobody could prove them, and nobody would go on record. Even the government representative shrugged off my question about corrupt politicians. "Yes, there will always be corrupt politicians", he said as if that meant nothing. That doesn't bode well for Trinidad's future.
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Well the arseness has finally come to an end......I just have to shake mih head in wonderment yes.....the thing that struck me most about this whole thing is that people who supposed to be able to think logically and see through dotishness was supporting this madness......that is the thing that struck me the most. The only thing I have been able to come up with is that we had really reach the depths of desperation.......
One a related note, here's one commentator's take on Gary Griffith's interview in the Guns, Drugs and secrets video and the SOE by extension.....
Big fish, little fish and an ocean of lies
By Michael Harris
A friend has forwarded to me the link containing the interview which National Security Advisor to the Prime Minister, Capt Gary Griffith, gave to a reporter from the UK in which he seemed to imply that the
Judiciary in this country had corrupt persons. That statement by Capt Griffith was roundly condemned by the Judiciary in an official response and Capt Griffith was forced to apologise.
But while the contempt for the judiciary which could have been inferred from Capt Griffith's statement captured the news headlines, certain even more significant and frightening aspects of his responses to the interviewer have been completely overlooked.
Capt Griffith's statements came at the tail-end of a video documentary entitled Guns, Drugs and Secrets aired by Channel Four in the UK and featured this country's State of Emergency. The question put by the Channel Four reporter Seyi Rhodes to Capt Griffith was as follows: "It's probably no surprise to you to hear that every person I speak to in Trinidad, when I ask them where the drugs and the guns come from, they tell me that the ports, the customs authorities, the Coast Guard and the police are a 100 per cent involved in the trafficking of drugs and guns. Why are you not focusing on that?"
Capt Griffith replied: "Every country in the world will have corrupt police officers, will have corrupt persons in the Judiciary, will have corrupt politicians. That is not an avenue to call a State of Emergency. We needed a State of Emergency to stop law abiding citizens of this country from being killed." (For the benefit of my readers who may wish to view the documentary themselves I am inserting the web address http://www.channel4.com/programmes/unreported-world/4od#3259570.
What, apart from his comments about the Judiciary, is particularly stunning about Capt Griffith's response is the admission that the SoE was never intended to capture the "big fish" in the guns and drugs trade. How else are we to interpret his statement that corruption "is not an avenue to call a State of Emergency"?
But if that statement was not enough, Capt Griffith, who was described by the reporter as "one of the architects of the State of Emergency and one of its most outspoken supporters", went on to state that dealing with the big fish is a matter for legislation and reminded the reporter that such legislation in the UK "took years to be implemented".
This startling admission by Capt Griffith that the State of Emergency was never intended to capture any "big fish" has to be placed in the context of the fact that from the very beginning of the SoE there have been numerous voices raised questioning the fact that only "little fish" were being arrested and carted off to jail while there was not a single case of the arrest of a "big fish". Indeed this argument was taken further by some people to suggest that it was only persons from the areas of opposition PNM support (read "young black men") who were being arrested.
This widespread perception prompted the Express in its editorial of September 3 to write as follows: "This does not negate the concern that the individuals being held are only "small fry" and the big fish are more likely to live in upper-class areas and even belong to a non-Afro ethnic group.
After all, if it is the drug trade which is directly or indirectly behind most violent crimes in T&T, then that trade cannot function without white-collar functionaries. These big fish must certainly be hooked at some point if the Government is to justify the State of Emergency." It was the same Capt Griffith who, in response to a charge from Opposition Leader, Keith Rowley, soon after the SoE was implemented, that the Government was playing favourites in its selection of curfew areas, stated that, "Dr Rowley should cease his feeble attempt at throwing red herrings, when this Government is busy trying to catch big fish."
And it was the ever-garrulous Attorney General, Anand Ramlogan, who sought to reassure the population that the Government was indeed going after the "big fish" by arguing that "The idea that we are not going after the big fish is not correct, you know.
"People seem to think that these gang leaders and these gangs are small fries. The gangs that we are after are big fish."
In the light of all of this, Capt Griffith's statement to the UK interviewer that the SoE was never intended to go after the "big fish" can mean one of two things.
It can be taken either as a post facto justification of the failure of the SoE, or it can mean that from the very beginning the Government was feeding the population a diet of lies.
In this context, and given the latest allegations about a plot to assassinate the Prime Minister and other Ministers, we would do well to note a statement made by the Attorney General as far back as November 2, in an address to an international conference on Gangs, Violence and Governance, held at the Learning Resource Centre at the St Augustine campus of the University of the West Indies.
On that occasion the AG had this to say: "One of the worrying trends picked up during the State of Emergency was not just the quantity of arms and ammunition that were recovered, but it had to do with the quality, the high-range, high-powered, sophisticated nature of some of the weapons.. I am advised by our security agencies that some of the guns that were recovered have a range and capability that make it a joke to assassinate a president or a prime minister."
Of course it may be that our Attorney General is a very astute and prescient individual.
Or it may just be that our Government has the entire country swimming in an ocean of lies. You be the judge.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/commentaries/Big_fish__little_fish_and_an_ocean_of_lies-135006948.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/commentaries/Big_fish__little_fish_and_an_ocean_of_lies-135006948.html)
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Gibbs: Murders on the rise
Originally printed at http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Gibbs__Murders_on_the_rise-155218355.html
By Gyasi Gonzales gyasi.gonzales@trinidadexpress.com
May 28, 2012
Police Commissioner Dwayne Gibbs said yesterday that in the last two months of 2012 there has been a resurgence of homicides.
Up to May 28 last year there were 161 murders.
Up to yesterday, however, the murder toll stood at 166, with a total of 35 homicides between April 1 and April 30 while there were 40 between May 1 and May 28.
Gibbs said significant strides were made during the State of Emergency which lasted from August until the beginning of December in terms of intelligence gathering and knowing who the main crime players were.
"Into 2012, however, we have seen a resurgence in homicides in the last two months and we are now trying to determine why it is happening and what has changed," he said.
Gibbs added, "During the State of Emergency we gained a lot of intelligence in organised crime groups and we set up the Gang Suppression Unit which focuses on intelligence and sets out to predict where the next violent act will break out."
Gibbs was speaking at a National Security Ministry review of its security policies which was held at Crowne Plaza, Port of Spain, yesterday.
Present were National Security Minister John Sandy, Chief of Defence Staff Brig Kenrick Maharaj, Prisons Commissioner Martin Martinez and Chief Fire Officer Carl Williams.
Gibbs outlined his own plans to combat crime by expanding the 21st Century Policing initiative in the Police's Northern and Port of Spain Divisions.
He also announced that closed circuit television cameras were going to be installed in other hot-spot areas which he said would assist greatly in their deployments strategies. The police will also continue their warrant exercises, he added.
"We can start by working together and also promote training and education and we have to have clearly defined plans for getting there and we will rely on every group and organisation working with us to tell us what they have been doing to deal with the crime issues because we cannot do it alone," said Gibbs.
He continued, "we've gotta look at the affected youth and create opportunities that goes past mere survival needs but rather opportunities for them to reach their potential."
He said that he even spoke to some of the young men in so-called disadvantaged communities and what he found disturbing was that 20 -year-olds did not see any future for themselves but rather they wanted opportunities to be extended to those young men younger than themselves, "but this is where this group, especially the business and religious groups, can help because these young people have a lot of potential but they just don't have the opportunities to use this potential."
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Gibbs added, "During the State of Emergency we gained a lot of intelligence in organised crime groups and we set up the Gang Suppression Unit which focuses on intelligence and sets out to predict where the next violent act will break out."
Not really working eh? Tell you what, Mr Gibbs, give me TT$15k per month and I'll tell you where the next violent act will break out. Here's some freebies.... East Dry River, Morvant, Laventille
Why don't you just police these areas and let the many good people there have their lives back?
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Well I think this is the aniversary of the SOE, I was one who felt it should be given time to work and wanted to believe that it was part of a larger plan or strategy to reduce crime in TT.
To all the people that I argued with, I have to say you were right and I was wrong.
This government is no better than the last even worse.
It would seem that politicians in Trinidad are just big big liars who really don't give a hoot.
Have we reached the point when we can start asking for definitions of failed state ?
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7 MORE DIE
Murder toll rises as SoE anniversary nears
By Jensen LaVende and Nikita Braxton-Benjamin
Seven murders have marred the Eid-ul-Fitr holiday weekend, pushing the murder toll to 263. These are seven more than the comparative period for 2011.
Around the same period last year, 11 people were killed between Thursday, August 18, and Sunday, August 21, with three people being shot dead on Sunday.
These killings led to the declaration by the Government of a state of emergency, which lasted from August 22 to December 5.
Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar had announced on the night of August 21, 2011, that the country was under a limited state of emergency, beginning midnight August 22, 2011.
Today, several trade unions will stage a silent protest outside the Hall of Justice, Port of Spain, from 9 a.m. to mark the anniversary.
The first victim this past holiday weekend was Prisca Babolal, of Clear Water Gardens, Rio Claro, who was killed while paying workers their salaries around 2 p.m. on Friday.
Ayanna Williams was the next to die. She was shot dead around 3.25 a.m. on Saturday.
Police said Williams, 30, of Pelican Street Extension, Morvant, would normally tip off fellow gang members about the whereabouts of their enemies. Williams was shot 13 times and died on the spot.
Police said a man approached the small house, broke through the front door and opened fire as Williams and her boyfriend, Michael Bynoe, slept.
Arima native Israel Fernandez was the third to be killed. Fernandez was at the Guarata Village, Maracas Valley, home of his father, when around 11.30 a.m. he received a call on his cellphone.
Fernandez walked out of the house to continue the conversation, when a gunman walked up to him and opened fire. Residents heard the gunshots and, when they came outside, saw Fernandez's body in a drain.
Fernandez's killing was followed by that of Andel Seales. Seales was the first of four to be killed on Sunday. According to police reports, the 26-year-old Independence Avenue, San Fernando, man was stabbed in the chest by a man he knew, following an argument at a bar in the area. The incident occurred around 12.30 a.m. on Sutton Street.
Sixty-four-year-old Leela Deonarinesingh, of Oli Mohammed Trace, Rochard Road, Barrackpore, was the second to die that day. Around 9.15 a.m., Deonarinesingh's bludgeoned body was discovered by her visually impaired husband. A 20-year-old neighbour was caught on camera cutting a hole in a chain-link fence just after 1 a.m. and is in police custody, assisting them with their investigations.
Around 8 p.m. on Sunday, Malabar resident Kelvin McMillan was shot dead after witnessing the shooting of 20-year-old Diego Martin resident Andwella McDavid. McDavid was shot while sitting in a car parked along Unity Road, Diego Martin, and is warded at the Port of Spain General Hospital in a serious condition.
After being shot four times, McMillan went to his mother's house, where he collapsed on the living room floor and died.
The final murder happened an hour and 15 minutes later. Adrian Adams was shot and killed near his McBean, Couva, home after he had returned from a wake. Police said Adams, 20, who refused to attend a thanksgiving because of threats made to his life, was shot nearby.
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Well I think this is the aniversary of the SOE, I was one who felt it should be given time to work and wanted to believe that it was part of a larger plan or strategy to reduce crime in TT. To all the people that I argued with, I have to say you were right and I was wrong.
This government is no better than the last even worse.
It would seem that politicians in Trinidad are just big big liars who really don't give a hoot.
Have we reached the point when we can start asking for definitions of failed state ?
That was my point from the beginning.....It wasn't. It was just like everything else this government does. It was done by vaps, without thought, planning or vision. So I eh surprised it eh wuk.
But fishs, doh hut yuh head at least yuh come out and admit you were wrong. Ah still waiting for ah next fella who was giving it six months to work......like he still waiting. I eh sure what is he definition of 6 months...... :whistling: ::)
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The only strategy this Pathethic Posse have is to hoodwink people and they very good at thst. Nuff of u were hoodwink in believing that they were a viable option to run this country. I ask again where were you all between 1995-2001?
An SOE could never be part of any long term strategy to deal with crime. It could never be a part of a crime strategy. The fact that we had a SOE only shows we are a State In Emergency.
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black hen chickens, oh black hen chikens!!!!!!!
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Why allyuh eating the sensationalism by the media? Crime is the lowest it has ever been for the past 3 years.
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Everything happening in the country is one man fault. And that man is Patrick Manning.
He called the elections, he was the one NOT listening to moderate voices, he is the one that gave way to hubris and arrogance.
he is the one who believed that God ordained him to lead.
He and the PNM squandered two oil booms doing shit, putting building before people and ignoring the rising tide of lawlessness and a slowing economy.
he is the one who allowed Calder Hart to tief we blind and he is the one who still in the shadows causing trouble for the PNM and Rowley.
who vex f**king lorse.
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Everything happening in the country is one man fault. And that man is Patrick Manning.
He called the elections, he was the one NOT listening to moderate voices, he is the one that gave way to hubris and arrogance.
he is the one who believed that God ordained him to lead.
He and the PNM squandered two oil booms doing shit, putting building before people and ignoring the rising tide of lawlessness and a slowing economy.
he is the one who allowed Calder Hart to tief we blind and he is the one who still in the shadows causing trouble for the PNM and Rowley.
who vex f**king lorse.
I not vex....all this is true as far as I could see..... got the sense that callin d election was ah bad mind move though.....after givin it some real thought and little tings yuh hear later on.....nobody could convince me dat he really tort he would win now, hubris or not...............it was pure bad mind IMO
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Give thought to the isue that it may have been more of a legal move than a political move...things to make you go hmmmm
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http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Lime_continues_despite_dead_body-166720536.html
Even as the body of a murdered man lay nearby, the lime did not stop for dozens of bar patrons in San Fernando yesterday morning.
Andel Seales, 26, of Independence Avenue, San Fernando, died at Sutton Street after being stabbed by a man whom he knew.
Police were told that around 12.30 a.m, Seales and another man were walking along Sutton Street when they were approached by the suspect near the Bethel Gospel Hall.
Seales argued with the man who pulled a knife and stabbed him in the chest before running off.
Seales died before paramedics arrived.
Near the crime scene, several bars were open for business and the music and lime continued while crime scene investigators cordoned off a section of the street.
"The party still have to go on. Not because he dead the party must stop," one patron told Express photographer Trevor Watson.
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Rioting in John John all now, residents say that police shot an unarmed man..police says he has a gun
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Everything happening in the country is one man fault. And that man is Patrick Manning.
He called the elections, he was the one NOT listening to moderate voices, he is the one that gave way to hubris and arrogance.
he is the one who believed that God ordained him to lead.
He and the PNM squandered two oil booms doing shit, putting building before people and ignoring the rising tide of lawlessness and a slowing economy.
he is the one who allowed Calder Hart to tief we blind and he is the one who still in the shadows causing trouble for the PNM and Rowley.
who vex f**king lorse.
I not vex....all this is true as far as I could see..... got the sense that callin d election was ah bad mind move though.....after givin it some real thought and little tings yuh hear later on.....nobody could convince me dat he really tort he would win now, hubris or not...............it was pure bad mind IMO
Nah not no bad mind, he felt God was on he side and dat he was going to win! No way he was calling elections without feeling he was going to win..bad mind was to call elections and rsign throwing the party into shit and disarray. Bad mind and he wanted to hold on as political leader? nah he feel he was going to win despite what man tell him...is de woman who was whispering in he ears that he believe not de polls not he advisors..is de woman.
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She still hiding or they stop looking for her?
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Everything happening in the country is one man fault. And that man is Patrick Manning.
He called the elections, he was the one NOT listening to moderate voices, he is the one that gave way to hubris and arrogance.
he is the one who believed that God ordained him to lead.
He and the PNM squandered two oil booms doing shit, putting building before people and ignoring the rising tide of lawlessness and a slowing economy.
he is the one who allowed Calder Hart to tief we blind and he is the one who still in the shadows causing trouble for the PNM and Rowley.
who vex f**king lorse.
I not vex....all this is true as far as I could see..... got the sense that callin d election was ah bad mind move though.....after givin it some real thought and little tings yuh hear later on.....nobody could convince me dat he really tort he would win now, hubris or not...............it was pure bad mind IMO
Nah not no bad mind, he felt God was on he side and dat he was going to win! No way he was calling elections without feeling he was going to win..bad mind was to call elections and rsign throwing the party into shit and disarray. Bad mind and he wanted to hold on as political leader? nah he feel he was going to win despite what man tell him...is de woman who was whispering in he ears that he believe not de polls not he advisors..is de woman.
u hear all kinda ting...dat jack an' dem give d woman money to send manning tumblin dong d rabbit hole, dong to d date and all, dat he manning stood a chance ah loosing d MoNC against him and said not a shit ah dat and called election to try and clean house........but I believe win or loose he would have effected ah big "fuuck all ah alyuh, is I build this and is I to mash it up" doh put it past d arrogant fuucker.
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Bravo :applause: Truetrini. Refreshing breath of fresh air devoid of partisanship.
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Trinis always like to inject conspiracy into everything. Manning called the elections because he thought he would win. He tried to take advantage of perceived disarray in the opposition (The split between the COP faction and the rest of the UNC). With a divided opposition, he thought that not only would he win, but that he would decimate the opposition. He underestimated the willingness of all the various opposition groups to join together and also the ability to quickly organize and mount a coherent campaign.
If he pulls it off, it's brilliant, since he did not, he continues to be a goat.
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Even with the opposition in disarray, his disapproval was so high that he ran a risk of losing still and even if he won, he was going to lose significant seats in parliament...why take the risk? He thought God was leading and directing him...believe that!
People were just tired of his high handedness and arrogance
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Trinis always like to inject conspiracy into everything. Manning called the elections because he thought he would win. He tried to take advantage of perceived disarray in the opposition (The split between the COP faction and the rest of the UNC). With a divided opposition, he thought that not only would he win, but that he would decimate the opposition. He underestimated the willingness of all the various opposition groups to join together and also the ability to quickly organize and mount a coherent campaign.
If he pulls it off, it's brilliant, since he did not, he continues to be a goat.
That is where we digress. I wouldn't chalk it up to a coherent campaign. People was just blasted vex with Patrick and he foolishness.....if it was not that how do you explain Arima, Bon Air West/Lopinot, D'abadie, Sando West and a couple other seats the PP should not have won?? As TT say, Patrick really, really, really underestimated how upset people were with him myself included.......
And that's why we need constitutional reform. Two terms and yuh gone!! However as the days go by I realise we eh getting that reform from this bunch......firetruckers!!!!