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Sports => What about Track & Field => Topic started by: AirMan on September 01, 2011, 08:47:57 PM
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http://daegu2011.iaaf.org/NewsListDetail.aspx?id=61815
Kirani James a Bolt from the Blue
31 August 2011 – Daegu, Korea - Just when everyone thought there was only one Usain Bolt along comes Kirani James to prove otherwise.
Ever since he set world age-group records for the 400m as a 14 and 15 year old, the names James and Bolt have been linked like twins.
Not that you will find James too keen on the comparison. He already seems to have a clear idea of his own worth: “Usain is special in his own way, but I just want to be Kirani James from Grenada,” he says.
Now in his first season on the world stage, the teenager from Grenada who celebrates his 19th birthday tomorrow, September 1, is the World champion after overhauling LaShawn Merritt of the USA in the final few dramatic metres.
For such a young man it was a performance worthy of a much older head. Timing his effort to perfection, James let Merritt do the early talking before taking over the reins when it mattered most to claim gold.
Speaking with a maturity beyond his years, James held court when he came off the Daegu track, careful not to appear too complacent about his thrilling victory: “I could not take gold for granted,” he said. “There were too many good runners out there. But it’s a great feeling to be world champion. I am just happy to be here, representing my country.”
Many men of greater experience might have panicked when Merritt went past on the top bend, but James refused to panic: “My aim was to stay as relaxed as possible, follow my plan and finish strongly,” he said.
Following his plan to the letter, the teenager finished with impeccable timing to roars from an appreciative crowd and gold was his.
For the tiny island of Grenada it was a seismic shift. The highest any athlete from the island had finished in the World Championships was when Alleyne Francique came in sixth in the same event in 2001 and 2003.
Francique, not surprisingly, is one of James’s role models: “Francique inspired a whole generation. That was when the transition for Grenadian athletics happened,” he told last night’s press conference.
James’s journey to the Daegu track started in the small fishing village of Gouyave where he was spotted by his first coach, Albert Joseph, now an official with the Grenadian team in Daegu: “He was 12 at the time and he came along to the track just when he was moving from primary school to secondary school. He came for two weeks then stopped. He didn’t want to train at first and he did a little basketball and soccer.”
Eventually James came back to athletics, “because I realised I was good at it,” he said.
And how! After world age-group records for a 13 and 14 year old, James went to the World Youth championships 2009 and came away with double gold in the 200m and 400m. One year later, he was World junior 400m champion: “He’s been breaking world age-group records since he came on the scene,” said Joseph matter-of-factly. “Every step of the way, he is like Bolt.”
Even better, in fact. At the age of 16 Bolt ran the 400m in 45.35 and the world was wowed, but when James attacked the distance at the same age, he was a full tenth of a second faster, clocking 45.24. Now, at the age of 18 years and 363 days he was proclaimed World champion. Bolt was 22 before he won his first senior World gold.
James is the ninth athlete in the history of the sport to win World youth, junior and now senior titles, just over an hour after Tatyana Chernova of Russia became the eighth in the Heptathlon...Continued http://daegu2011.iaaf.org/NewsGoldMedalsDetail.aspx?id=61815
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hmmm dis youth already accomplish more than men who running more than ten years trying to accomplish.
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Alot of pressure on the teenager to repeat at the Olympics
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After beating Merritt again yesterday while doing a personal best at 19 years 7 days old, if he remains healthy he can only get stronger and better. I would love to see him tackle the 800 rather than the 200. I think he has a better chance there than tangling with Bolt at 200. But that Kenyan champion, David Rudisha is a beast. I would pay to see that clash in about two years.
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You have the man running 800 already? WHAT the ARSE for??? Which other 400 champ in recent history ran 800???
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No pressure, this guy is a phenomenon. Unless he is injured he will win in London 2012
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After beating Merritt again yesterday while doing a personal best at 19 years 7 days old, if he remains healthy he can only get stronger and better. I would love to see him tackle the 800 rather than the 200. I think he has a better chance there than tangling with Bolt at 200. But that Kenyan champion, David Rudisha is a beast. I would pay to see that clash in about two years.
I think we are more likely to see Bolt moving up to 400m and clashing Kirani than Kirani moving up to 800m to clash that Kenyan!
Kirani is good where he is right now concentrating on being the new dominant force in the 400m and possibly pushing to break MJ's WR! Nuff money will come in once he achieves that gold especially if he can do it at the London Olympics next year still as a teenager! That would be enough history right there to outshine Bolt unless Bolt can break both his 100m & 200m WRs once again at the London Olympics!!
Wish Kirani was a Trini, but hoping our Status Quow and Flash Gordon can step up to the plate come London Olympics and shine just as bright.
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You have the man running 800 already? WHAT the ARSE for??? Which other 400 champ in recent history ran 800???
Agreed, the 4 and 8 are not good bedfellows. One's a sprint the other middle distance, so the training is very different. Hence why more people do not do it on the international level.
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You have the man running 800 already? WHAT the ARSE for??? Which other 400 champ in recent history ran 800???
Agreed, the 4 and 8 are not good bedfellows. One's a sprint the other middle distance, so the training is very different. Hence why more people do not do it on the international level.
Folks are getting carried away because that Kenyan fella is making the 800m look like two 400m sprinters!
He is another once in a lifetime phenomena!
Right now track and field is full of some serious talents from the 100m right up to the 800m!
Anyone wanting to medal in London next year have to be prepared to make some serious sacrifices to get to the top level and maintain it!!
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After beating Merritt again yesterday while doing a personal best at 19 years 7 days old, if he remains healthy he can only get stronger and better. I would love to see him tackle the 800 rather than the 200. I think he has a better chance there than tangling with Bolt at 200. But that Kenyan champion, David Rudisha is a beast. I would pay to see that clash in about two years.
I think we are more likely to see Bolt moving up to 400m and clashing Kirani than Kirani moving up to 800m to clash that Kenyan!
Kirani is good where he is right now concentrating on being the new dominant force in the 400m and possibly pushing to break MJ's WR! Nuff money will come in once he achieves that gold especially if he can do it at the London Olympics next year still as a teenager! That would be enough history right there to outshine Bolt unless Bolt can break both his 100m & 200m WRs once again at the London Olympics!!
Wish Kirani was a Trini, but hoping our Status Quow and Flash Gordon can step up to the plate come London Olympics and shine just as bright.
As things stand, Qouw and Gordon no where near medalling next year. Gordon will not medal, training at home. There I said it! I will eat humble pie if he does!
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After beating Merritt again yesterday while doing a personal best at 19 years 7 days old, if he remains healthy he can only get stronger and better. I would love to see him tackle the 800 rather than the 200. I think he has a better chance there than tangling with Bolt at 200. But that Kenyan champion, David Rudisha is a beast. I would pay to see that clash in about two years.
I think we are more likely to see Bolt moving up to 400m and clashing Kirani than Kirani moving up to 800m to clash that Kenyan!
Kirani is good where he is right now concentrating on being the new dominant force in the 400m and possibly pushing to break MJ's WR! Nuff money will come in once he achieves that gold especially if he can do it at the London Olympics next year still as a teenager! That would be enough history right there to outshine Bolt unless Bolt can break both his 100m & 200m WRs once again at the London Olympics!!
Wish Kirani was a Trini, but hoping our Status Quow and Flash Gordon can step up to the plate come London Olympics and shine just as bright.
As things stand, Qouw and Gordon no where near medalling next year. Gordon will not medal, training at home. There I said it! I will eat humble pie if he does!
You might be right!
The Jamaicans are able to do it at home because they have the competition at home but I don't think Jehue has the competition in T&T that he needs even if he has the right coaching! Or maybe he plans to be flying out quite regularly to all the big meets and the NAAA will ensure that! ::)
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Wish Kirani was a Trini
I thought small-islands are the cause of all the prob. in TT. No Bro, is their time. Let them keep him and enjoy it. Let Trini develop their own.
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Wish Kirani was a Trini
I thought small-islands are the cause of all the prob. in TT. No Bro, is their time. Let them keep him and enjoy it. Let Trini develop their own.
I agree with you there! I don't want us to look to steal him, it’s their time!
I just wish we had a young talent like him in the 400m but then again we have both Reny & Jehue so let’s hope they can both develop themselves into world beaters as well and not get left behind!
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As things stand, Qouw and Gordon no where near medalling next year. Gordon will not medal, training at home. There I said it! I will eat humble pie if he does!
I do not think it is simply a matter of staying home or going abroad, it is whether his coach has the knowledge to take him to the next level, and whether he has the right training group at home. Hurdling is more individual than say the 400m. As long as he has a great technician and tactician in a coach what's left is whether he has a competitive stable of 200m, 400m, and 800m training partners to challenge him in the speed and stamina areas. And well, he's sponsored so having access and traveling to top level meets is not a big issue
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After beating Merritt again yesterday while doing a personal best at 19 years 7 days old, if he remains healthy he can only get stronger and better. I would love to see him tackle the 800 rather than the 200. I think he has a better chance there than tangling with Bolt at 200. But that Kenyan champion, David Rudisha is a beast. I would pay to see that clash in about two years.
I think we are more likely to see Bolt moving up to 400m and clashing Kirani than Kirani moving up to 800m to clash that Kenyan!
Kirani is good where he is right now concentrating on being the new dominant force in the 400m and possibly pushing to break MJ's WR! Nuff money will come in once he achieves that gold especially if he can do it at the London Olympics next year still as a teenager! That would be enough history right there to outshine Bolt unless Bolt can break both his 100m & 200m WRs once again at the London Olympics!!
Wish Kirani was a Trini, but hoping our Status Quow and Flash Gordon can step up to the plate come London Olympics and shine just as bright.
As things stand, Qouw and Gordon no where near medalling next year. Gordon will not medal, training at home. There I said it! I will eat humble pie if he does!
You might be right!
The Jamaicans are able to do it at home because they have the competition at home but I don't think Jehue has the competition in T&T that he needs even if he has the right coaching! Or maybe he plans to be flying out quite regularly to all the big meets and the NAAA will ensure that! ::)
Going to the meets is not the main problem. I bet he is head and shoulders above his training partner/s. So he wont be pushed in training. Where does he actually train? De savanah?, St. mary's ground? Where does he do hill work? De hollows, de gardens? I am not optimistic with the facilities/resources at his disposal.
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After beating Merritt again yesterday while doing a personal best at 19 years 7 days old, if he remains healthy he can only get stronger and better. I would love to see him tackle the 800 rather than the 200. I think he has a better chance there than tangling with Bolt at 200. But that Kenyan champion, David Rudisha is a beast. I would pay to see that clash in about two years.
I think we are more likely to see Bolt moving up to 400m and clashing Kirani than Kirani moving up to 800m to clash that Kenyan!
Kirani is good where he is right now concentrating on being the new dominant force in the 400m and possibly pushing to break MJ's WR! Nuff money will come in once he achieves that gold especially if he can do it at the London Olympics next year still as a teenager! That would be enough history right there to outshine Bolt unless Bolt can break both his 100m & 200m WRs once again at the London Olympics!!
Wish Kirani was a Trini, but hoping our Status Quow and Flash Gordon can step up to the plate come London Olympics and shine just as bright.
As things stand, Qouw and Gordon no where near medalling next year. Gordon will not medal, training at home. There I said it! I will eat humble pie if he does!
You might be right!
The Jamaicans are able to do it at home because they have the competition at home but I don't think Jehue has the competition in T&T that he needs even if he has the right coaching! Or maybe he plans to be flying out quite regularly to all the big meets and the NAAA will ensure that! ::)
Going to the meets is not the main problem. I bet he is head and shoulders above his training partner/s. So he wont be pushed in training. Where does he actually train? De savanah?, St. mary's ground? Where does he do hill work? De hollows, de gardens? I am not optimistic with the facilities/resources at his disposal.
I understand your argument but I am more inclined to agree with STMB's argument, see quote!
As things stand, Qouw and Gordon no where near medalling next year. Gordon will not medal, training at home. There I said it! I will eat humble pie if he does!
I do not think it is simply a matter of staying home or going abroad, it is whether his coach has the knowledge to take him to the next level, and whether he has the right training group at home. Hurdling is more individual than say the 400m. As long as he has a great technician and tactician in a coach what's left is whether he has a competitive stable of 200m, 400m, and 800m training partners to challenge him in the speed and stamina areas. And well, he's sponsored so having access and traveling to top level meets is not a big issue
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having competed in the 80's in Trini, I disagree, about it being a coaching thing. But we will have to agree to disagree.
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having competed in the 80's in Trini, I disagree, about it being a coaching thing. But we will have to agree to disagree.
STMB did explain that the 400m hurdles is a very individual event so once Jehue has the right pool of training partners from 200m to 800m to test his speed, endurance, etc then he should be able to be a world beater while training at home if he chooses.
Also the Jamaicans doing so well training at home back's up STMB’s argument as I don't believe their training facilities is that much superior to what we have in T&T.
Saying all that Jehue has stagnated since his 2009 World’s performance so you might be right about him needed to rebase himself on the outside!
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43.17! 43.17! 43.17!
James ran 44.36 in Zurich, 1.18 seconds away from
M Johnson's long standing record. His second D-League
event, ever.
He is based in 'Tide' land, really wish he was based
in Baton Rouge, but, he will get the same rigorous
training whether in 'Bama or Loozeeana.
With weight training, strengthening his upper body,
and with track training, improving on his 'gangly'
style of running, early in the 2012 track season,
James will run a sub 44, and by the time
London rolls around, he should be at 43.60, or
better.
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You have the man running 800 already? WHAT the ARSE for??? Which other 400 champ in recent history ran 800???
Fellas, I just musing about a possible future challenge. I was not suggesting that he do it now. But he displays such strngth and speed at this age that he just might be able to do it. Didn't the great Cuban Alberto Juantarena do the 400 and 800, or am I mistaken?
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Just to add, if my memory serves me right, Alberto Juantarena won both the 400 and 800 at both the Olympics and the World Cup in 1976 and 1977 respectively. Correct me if I am wrong! As a middle distance runner those days, I wanted to emulate him but didn't have the drive nor the talent.
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Juantorena did win the 4 and 8 at the '76 olympics, but it aint going to happen again. Both events have moved on. Just like a white man aint ever going to win the 100M at the olympics ever again.
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Storeboy, I suspect you are a boxing fan as well. Having locked in champions in the 100/200 (Bolt), 400 (becoming Kirani's domain but not proven as yet), and the 800 (Rudisha), you are looking at the most likely match up - similar to guys ruling the welterweight, middleweight and super middleweight classes but as yet to fight each other.
I also understand that IF (and it's an extremely big if) Kirani was interested in more than the 400m, his talents would be more suited to the 800m than the 200m (years from now). His stride doesn't forebode a 19 flat showdown with Bolt, and Bolt would rather play professional soccer than run the 400m seriously.
In any case, when Juantorena ran the 1976 400/800 double they scheduled the 800 first then the 400, something that will have very little chance of happening in today's meets, and the paucity of athletes willing to attempt such a double. Such was the greatness of El Caballo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY0JOwJO5Ek - 1976 Oly 4/8 double
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYK9E1XAzdI&NR=1 - 1977 WCup 400
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9C2CDZvOOY&feature=related - 1977 WCup 800
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Juantorena did win the 4 and 8 at the '76 olympics, but it aint going to happen again. Both events have moved on. Just like a white man aint ever going to win the 100M at the olympics ever again.
Nuff said!!!!
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having competed in the 80's in Trini, I disagree, about it being a coaching thing. But we will have to agree to disagree.
STMB did explain that the 400m hurdles is a very individual event so once Jehue has the right pool of training partners from 200m to 800m to test his speed, endurance, etc then he should be able to be a world beater while training at home if he chooses.
Also the Jamaicans doing so well training at home back's up STMB’s argument as I don't believe their training facilities is that much superior to what we have in T&T.
Saying all that Jehue has stagnated since his 2009 World’s performance so you might be right about him needed to rebase himself on the outside!
That's my point. He has not improved in the past 2 years. Age is not an issue. The time he ran at 17, we should have seen constant improvement each year until he peaks.
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Juantorena did win the 4 and 8 at the '76 olympics, but it aint going to happen again. Both events have moved on. Just like a white man aint ever going to win the 100M at the olympics ever again.
Why yuh so, never say never - you never know if the next 100m white champion might be from Trinbago self.
Remember Mike Agostini, Manny Ramjohn, Melville Wongshing (1970 CWG 4x400m silver), Rafer Mohammed (1980 Oly 4x400m finalist)
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Storeboy, I suspect you are a boxing fan as well. Having locked in champions in the 100/200 (Bolt), 400 (becoming Kirani's domain but not proven as yet), and the 800 (Rudisha), you are looking at the most likely match up - similar to guys ruling the welterweight, middleweight and super middleweight classes but as yet to fight each other.
I also understand that IF (and it's an extremely big if) Kirani was interested in more than the 400m, his talents would be more suited to the 800m than the 200m (years from now). His stride doesn't forebode a 19 flat showdown with Bolt, and Bolt would rather play professional soccer than run the 400m seriously.
In any case, when Juantorena ran the 1976 400/800 double they scheduled the 800 first then the 400, something that will have very little chance of happening in today's meets, and the paucity of athletes willing to attempt such a double. Such was the greatness of El Caballo:
1976 Oly 4/8 double
http://www.youtube.com/v/tY0JOwJO5Ek
1977 WCup 800
http://www.youtube.com/v/_9C2CDZvOOY
1977 WCup 400
http://www.youtube.com/v/GYK9E1XAzdI&NR=1
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Juantorena did win the 4 and 8 at the '76 olympics, but it aint going to happen again. Both events have moved on. Just like a white man aint ever going to win the 100M at the olympics ever again.
Why yuh so, never say never - you never know if the next 100m white champion might be from Trinbago self.
Remember Mike Agostini, Manny Ramjohn, Melville Wongshing (1970 CWG 4x400m silver), Rafer Mohammed (1980 Oly 4x400m finalist)
You are kidding right? When was the last time a non-afro trinidadian was a top athlete on the Track? Back then, it was not understood that black people had a genetic advantage when it comes to flat running speed (Hitler must be turning in his grave lol). I know this much, the winners of all the men track events (ex hurdles- Liu Xiang and Di Green are exceptions) at next year's olympics will be black. From the 100 to the marathon, Its not racist its a fact! Check the olympic and world record books since 1988.
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Talking about Hitler, just for a laugh (I found it funny)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xUS30-RFf0&feature=related
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Juantorena did win the 4 and 8 at the '76 olympics, but it aint going to happen again. Both events have moved on. Just like a white man aint ever going to win the 100M at the olympics ever again.
Why yuh so, never say never - you never know if the next 100m white champion might be from Trinbago self.
Remember Mike Agostini, Manny Ramjohn, Melville Wongshing (1970 CWG 4x400m silver), Rafer Mohammed (1980 Oly 4x400m finalist)
You are kidding right? When was the last time a non-afro trinidadian was a top athlete on the Track? Back then, it was not understood that black people had a genetic advantage when it comes to flat running speed (Hitler must be turning in his grave lol). I know this much, the winners of all the men track events (ex hurdles- Liu Xiang and Di Green are exceptions) at next year's olympics will be black. From the 100 to the marathon, Its not racist its a fact! Check the olympic and world record books since 1988.
That's your problem, you checking history since 1988, which is basically yesterday.
I notice you start backing by adding the Chinese and British athletes already.
What about Sally Pearson in the 100 hurdles, Van Zyl in the 400m hurdles, the Russian woman in the 800m, Jen Barringer in the 1500m, ehhh??? No Kenyans or African-Americans.
Sad to say, your statement make you sound more like Hitler, even though you trying to disprove him.
Humans are humans - I suppose you need fast twitch muscles to be great in golf and be an NFL QB. No sah, it's all about disproving junk theories and having a passion to succeed.
So go and tell your son or daughter that they don't have the fast twitch brain fibers to be a investment banker or attorney, surgeon or oil executive
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Juantorena did win the 4 and 8 at the '76 olympics, but it aint going to happen again. Both events have moved on. Just like a white man aint ever going to win the 100M at the olympics ever again.
Why yuh so, never say never - you never know if the next 100m white champion might be from Trinbago self.
Remember Mike Agostini, Manny Ramjohn, Melville Wongshing (1970 CWG 4x400m silver), Rafer Mohammed (1980 Oly 4x400m finalist)
You are kidding right? When was the last time a non-afro trinidadian was a top athlete on the Track? Back then, it was not understood that black people had a genetic advantage when it comes to flat running speed (Hitler must be turning in his grave lol). I know this much, the winners of all the men track events (ex hurdles- Liu Xiang and Di Green are exceptions) at next year's olympics will be black. From the 100 to the marathon, Its not racist its a fact! Check the olympic and world record books since 1988.
That's your problem, you checking history since 1988, which is basically yesterday.
I notice you start backing by adding the Chinese and British athletes already.
What about Sally Pearson in the 100 hurdles, Van Zyl in the 400m hurdles, the Russian woman in the 800m, Jen Barringer in the 1500m, ehhh??? No Kenyans or African-Americans.
Sad to say, your statement make you sound more like Hitler, even though you trying to disprove him.
Humans are humans - I suppose you need fast twitch muscles to be great in golf and be an NFL QB. No sah, it's all about disprove junk theories and having a passion to succeed.
So go and tell your son or daughter that they don't have the fast twitch brain fibers to be a investment banker or attorney, surgeon or oil executive
Breds, prior to 1988, there was not widespread competing by east Africans on the international stage. There were the odd brilliant kenyans like kip keino and henry rono and the ethiopian maritus yifter, but athletics was not taken that seriously or as organised (ask any kenyan). In fact there were no kenyan or ethiopian women in the olympics until 1992! have a look on youtube. Now they dominate the distance events. So are you tell me that is a coincidence? In 20 years, 2 nations that never even entered women in distance events, now dominate and it has nothing to do with genetics. Yeah right!
How the hell does being a banker or surgeon come in to this? Did I say anything intelligence, desire and ambition?
Well sir, if you are from west african descent, go and tell your son he can run 3 minutes and 29 secs for the 1500 meters if he trains and puts his mind to it.
I am not backing the chinese and the british athlete. The hurdles are technical events and that lessens the advantage (hence why Pearson and van zyl do well and much kudos to them). Do you really think that these athletes would be as dominant in the flat events? If they could, I guarantee they would. Their coaches know this, but apparently you do not.
Britain won their first medals in a men's distance race at the olympics or worlds last week. Who won them? Mo Farah, a somalian, gentically east african. This is britain, where i live. Distance running has a long tradition and is taken very seriously. David Moorcroft actually held the WR for 5K before the east africans came on the scene. Is Farah's gold and silver an eerie coincidence?
I was at the national senior champs in trinidad last month. The winner of the men 1500m won it in 4 min 10 secs. You would not even get a medal in a women international event with that time. What, our middle and long distance runners don't train hard enough? A 15 year old top kenyan runner, will 'jog' 3 mins 50 secs. There is no way, he would have been able to train for a middle distance event at that age, that is 20 secs better that our current champion. If he was not born with that ability, well its rather strange!
Anyway, Hitler theories was based on racism. The aryan race was meant to be superior full stop. In sports (all events), in strength, in intellect. That is crap. I have not said that black people are superior full stop, because, I have said that west africans could never dominate the distance events. Nor have i said that ethipians are the smartest people on the planet.
Anyway, as spike lee said. Peace, 2 fingers!
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Juantorena did win the 4 and 8 at the '76 olympics, but it aint going to happen again. Both events have moved on. Just like a white man aint ever going to win the 100M at the olympics ever again.
Why yuh so, never say never - you never know if the next 100m white champion might be from Trinbago self.
Remember Mike Agostini, Manny Ramjohn, Melville Wongshing (1970 CWG 4x400m silver), Rafer Mohammed (1980 Oly 4x400m finalist)
You are kidding right? When was the last time a non-afro trinidadian was a top athlete on the Track? Back then, it was not understood that black people had a genetic advantage when it comes to flat running speed (Hitler must be turning in his grave lol). I know this much, the winners of all the men track events (ex hurdles- Liu Xiang and Di Green are exceptions) at next year's olympics will be black. From the 100 to the marathon, Its not racist its a fact! Check the olympic and world record books since 1988.
That's your problem, you checking history since 1988, which is basically yesterday.
I notice you start backing by adding the Chinese and British athletes already.
What about Sally Pearson in the 100 hurdles, Van Zyl in the 400m hurdles, the Russian woman in the 800m, Jen Barringer in the 1500m, ehhh??? No Kenyans or African-Americans.
Sad to say, your statement make you sound more like Hitler, even though you trying to disprove him.
Humans are humans - I suppose you need fast twitch muscles to be great in golf and be an NFL QB. No sah, it's all about disprove junk theories and having a passion to succeed.
So go and tell your son or daughter that they don't have the fast twitch brain fibers to be a investment banker or attorney, surgeon or oil executive
Breds, prior to 1988, there was not widespread competing by east Africans on the international stage. There were the odd brilliant kenyans like kip keino and henry rono and the ethiopian maritus yifter, but athletics was not taken that seriously or as organised (ask any kenyan). In fact there were no kenyan or ethiopian women in the olympics until 1992! have a look on youtube. Now they dominate the distance events. So are you tell me that is a coincidence? In 20 years, 2 nations that never even entered women in distance events, now dominate and it has nothing to do with genetics. Yeah right!
How the hell does being a banker or surgeon come in to this? Did I say anything intelligence, desire and ambition?
Well sir, if you are from west african descent, go and tell your son he can run 3 minutes and 29 secs for the 1500 meters if he trains and puts his mind to it.
I am not backing the chinese and the british athlete. The hurdles are technical events and that lessens the advantage (hence why Pearson and van zyl do well and much kudos to them). Do you really think that these athletes would be as dominant in the flat events? If they could, I guarantee they would. Their coaches know this, but apparently you do not.
Britain won their first medals in a men's distance race at the olympics or worlds last week. Who won them? Mo Farah, a somalian, gentically east african. This is britain, where i live. Distance running has a long tradition and is taken very seriously. David Moorcroft actually held the WR for 5K before the east africans came on the scene. Is Farah's gold and silver an eerie coincidence?
I was at the national senior champs in trinidad last month. The winner of the men 1500m won it in 4 min 10 secs. You would not even get a medal in a women international event with that time. What, our middle and long distance runners don't train hard enough? A 15 year old top kenyan runner, will 'jog' 3 mins 50 secs. There is no way, he would have been able to train for a middle distance event at that age, that is 20 secs better that our current champion. If he was not born with that ability, well its rather strange!
Anyway, Hitler theories was based on racism. The aryan race was meant to be superior full stop. In sports (all events), in strength, in intellect. That is crap. I have not said that black people are superior full stop, because, I have said that west africans could never dominate the distance events. Nor have i said that ethipians are the smartest people on the planet.
Anyway, as spike lee said. Peace, 2 fingers!
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Do you know an Ethiopian won the Olympic gold medal in the marathon in 1960, way before your Youtube generation??!!
Do you know that Kenyan women have been running distance events at CWG levels wayyyy before 1992??
And I know 4 years ago, based on your conjecture you would have never thought a Chinese man would have won the Olympic mens 110 hurdles that the USA has all but ruled since the modern Olympics. So what you telling me, black people too stupid to win technical events like the hurdles?? (which by the way they have been winning since Jesse Owens days). Sounds like the rhetoric in 1970s Alabama that a black football player can't have the intelligence to be a QB.
Considering Farah and British distance running - where does he train, in East Africa? Why did he with his Ethiopian genes not dominate 2 years ago, maybe because he now has a latin coach in Alberto Salazar? Couldn't be just his genes that cause him to win all of a sudden - hmmmm?
Ever heard of Gordon Pirie (1956 Oly 5000m silver medallist), Jimmy Wilson (1920 Oly 10000m bronze medallist), Sam Ferris (1932 Oly marathon bronze), John Rimmer, Arthur Russell, Percy Hodge, Chris Brasher (1900, 1908, 1920, 1956 Oly gold medallists in the 3000m steeplechase)?? all British, and you say you living there and you don't know this?? - hmmmm?
As you said, Kenyans only got good later on, actually it started in the late 1960s when an Irish priest Brother Colm started training them in Eldoret in the Rift Valley, so it is entirely possible that if Europeans have succeeded and now East Africans have done so, why not West Africans or Caribbean athletes in the distances. If your genes conjecture is right, why is it that South and Central American athletes also excel in distances and actually dominate the distance walking events along with Russians - hmmmm?
Regarding Hitler's claim of supremacy being solely racial in foundation read this: "In Nazi Germany, a so-called mixed marriage of an "Aryan" with an "Untermensch" was forbidden. To maintain the purity of the Germanic master race, eugenics was practiced. In order to eliminate "defective" citizens, the T-4 Euthanasia Program was administered by Karl Brandt to rid the country of the mentally retarded or those born with genetic deficiencies, as well as those deemed to be racially inferior".
Racial inferiority is based on genetics, how can you separate the 2 in an argument - ehhhh?
By purporting that people of African descent are more apt to excel in sprinting because of genes is as racial a statement as Hitler's. If that were so, why the hell half of the planet's fastest men were watching Lemaitre bambsy hole in both the 100m and 200m finals??? Ehhh??? and he only now start to learn about sprinting - hmmm?
The point is (and I assume) my west african descended brother, just as you support a conjecture that only one group on our planet can excel in a given field, you also infer that others cannot, including blacks in fields other than athletics. So just as you said "a white man aint ever going to win the 100M at the olympics ever again", you sound EXACTLY like a client I had in West Texas in 2008 who said "a black man could never be intelligent enough to win and be the President of the United States". So please do tell your kids and your neighbor's kids (whether chinese, indian, syrian, white, latin, african) that they can be anything they aspire to be, and never to let anyone tell them what they can and cannot do.
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Juantorena did win the 4 and 8 at the '76 olympics, but it aint going to happen again. Both events have moved on. Just like a white man aint ever going to win the 100M at the olympics ever again.
Why yuh so, never say never - you never know if the next 100m white champion might be from Trinbago self.
Remember Mike Agostini, Manny Ramjohn, Melville Wongshing (1970 CWG 4x400m silver), Rafer Mohammed (1980 Oly 4x400m finalist)
You are kidding right? When was the last time a non-afro trinidadian was a top athlete on the Track? Back then, it was not understood that black people had a genetic advantage when it comes to flat running speed (Hitler must be turning in his grave lol). I know this much, the winners of all the men track events (ex hurdles- Liu Xiang and Di Green are exceptions) at next year's olympics will be black. From the 100 to the marathon, Its not racist its a fact! Check the olympic and world record books since 1988.
That's your problem, you checking history since 1988, which is basically yesterday.
I notice you start backing by adding the Chinese and British athletes already.
What about Sally Pearson in the 100 hurdles, Van Zyl in the 400m hurdles, the Russian woman in the 800m, Jen Barringer in the 1500m, ehhh??? No Kenyans or African-Americans.
Sad to say, your statement make you sound more like Hitler, even though you trying to disprove him.
Humans are humans - I suppose you need fast twitch muscles to be great in golf and be an NFL QB. No sah, it's all about disprove junk theories and having a passion to succeed.
So go and tell your son or daughter that they don't have the fast twitch brain fibers to be a investment banker or attorney, surgeon or oil executive
Breds, prior to 1988, there was not widespread competing by east Africans on the international stage. There were the odd brilliant kenyans like kip keino and henry rono and the ethiopian maritus yifter, but athletics was not taken that seriously or as organised (ask any kenyan). In fact there were no kenyan or ethiopian women in the olympics until 1992! have a look on youtube. Now they dominate the distance events. So are you tell me that is a coincidence? In 20 years, 2 nations that never even entered women in distance events, now dominate and it has nothing to do with genetics. Yeah right!
How the hell does being a banker or surgeon come in to this? Did I say anything intelligence, desire and ambition?
Well sir, if you are from west african descent, go and tell your son he can run 3 minutes and 29 secs for the 1500 meters if he trains and puts his mind to it.
I am not backing the chinese and the british athlete. The hurdles are technical events and that lessens the advantage (hence why Pearson and van zyl do well and much kudos to them). Do you really think that these athletes would be as dominant in the flat events? If they could, I guarantee they would. Their coaches know this, but apparently you do not.
Britain won their first medals in a men's distance race at the olympics or worlds last week. Who won them? Mo Farah, a somalian, gentically east african. This is britain, where i live. Distance running has a long tradition and is taken very seriously. David Moorcroft actually held the WR for 5K before the east africans came on the scene. Is Farah's gold and silver an eerie coincidence?
I was at the national senior champs in trinidad last month. The winner of the men 1500m won it in 4 min 10 secs. You would not even get a medal in a women international event with that time. What, our middle and long distance runners don't train hard enough? A 15 year old top kenyan runner, will 'jog' 3 mins 50 secs. There is no way, he would have been able to train for a middle distance event at that age, that is 20 secs better that our current champion. If he was not born with that ability, well its rather strange!
Anyway, Hitler theories was based on racism. The aryan race was meant to be superior full stop. In sports (all events), in strength, in intellect. That is crap. I have not said that black people are superior full stop, because, I have said that west africans could never dominate the distance events. Nor have i said that ethipians are the smartest people on the planet.
Anyway, as spike lee said. Peace, 2 fingers!
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Do you know an Ethiopian won the Olympic gold medal in the marathon in 1960, way before your Youtube generation??!!
Do you know that Kenyan women have been running distance events at CWG levels wayyyy before 1992??
And I know 4 years ago, based on your conjecture you would have never thought a Chinese man would have won the Olympic mens 110 hurdles that the USA has all but ruled since the modern Olympics. So what you telling me, black people too stupid to win technical events like the hurdles?? (which by the way they have been winning since Jesse Owens days). Sounds like the rhetoric in 1970s Alabama that a black football player can't have the intelligence to be a QB.
Considering Farah and British distance running - where does he train, in East Africa? Why did he with his Ethiopian genes not dominate 2 years ago, maybe because he now has a latin coach in Alberto Salazar? Couldn't be just his genes that cause him to win all of a sudden - hmmmm?
Ever heard of Gordon Pirie (1956 Oly 5000m silver medallist), Jimmy Wilson (1920 Oly 10000m bronze medallist), Sam Ferris (1932 Oly marathon bronze), John Rimmer, Arthur Russell, Percy Hodge, Chris Brasher (1900, 1908, 1920, 1956 Oly gold medallists in the 3000m steeplechase)?? all British, and you say you living there and you don't know this?? - hmmmm?
As you said, Kenyans only got good later on, actually it started in the late 1960s when an Irish priest Brother Colm started training them in Eldoret in the Rift Valley, so it is entirely possible that if Europeans have succeeded and now East Africans have done so, why not West Africans or Caribbean athletes in the distances. If your genes conjecture is right, why is it that South and Central American athletes also excel in distances and actually dominate the distance walking events along with Russians - hmmmm?
Regarding Hitler's claim of supremacy being solely racial in foundation read this: "In Nazi Germany, a so-called mixed marriage of an "Aryan" with an "Untermensch" was forbidden. To maintain the purity of the Germanic master race, eugenics was practiced. In order to eliminate "defective" citizens, the T-4 Euthanasia Program was administered by Karl Brandt to rid the country of the mentally retarded or those born with genetic deficiencies, as well as those deemed to be racially inferior".
Racial inferiority is based on genetics, how can you separate the 2 in an argument - ehhhh?
By purporting that people of African descent are more apt to excel in sprinting because of genes is as racial a statement as Hitler's. If that were so, why the hell half of the planet's fastest men were watching Lemaitre bambsy hole in both the 100m and 200m finals??? Ehhh??? and he only now start to learn about sprinting - hmmm?
The point is (and I assume) my west african descended brother, just as you support a conjecture that only one group on our planet can excel in a given field, you also infer that others cannot, including blacks in fields other than athletics. So just as you said "a white man aint ever going to win the 100M at the olympics ever again", you sound EXACTLY like a client I had in West Texas in 2008 who said "a black man could never be intelligent enough to win and be the President of the United States". So please do tell your kids and your neighbor's kids (whether chinese, indian, syrian, white, latin, african) that they can be anything they aspire to be, and never to let anyone tell them what they can and cannot do.
You clearly did not read my post properly. Did an ethiopian woman win the marathon in 1960? For cultural reasons east african were not on the olympic or world champs scene. Susan Sirma of kenya was the first black african woman to win a medal at the olympic or world champs in 1991.
Lemaitre is one man- the first white man to go under 10 secs. There is bound to be the odd one who will come about every so often. That is a statistical fact. Where were the other white competitors in the sprints? Are you so stupid to believe that my theory suggests that no white man will ever beat a black man in a sprint? I am sure that Lemaitre will kick my ass in a sprint! I do know that Lemaitre will never have the WR-fact.
All your examples was from back in the day. Check the times those guys ran and what they are running now. Those guys would probably not even make the finals today!
I am not inferring anything outside sprinting and distance running, you are. How the hell you can equate people voting for you to be a president with athletics, is beyond my comprehension. George Bush jr was a 2 term president and that certainly had nothing to do with his intelligence! The guy was an idiot.
Anyway, you are entitled to you opinion and me mine. I will return next year at each medal ceremony of London 2012 with a medal table. I already know what it would look like, even if you do not. 'West africans' will dominate the sprints and 'East' africans will dominate the middle and long distances. Everyone else will battle for medals in the hurdles and field events.
Some research for you:
http://charismaallover.wordpress.com/2008/02/18/genetics-cause-black-athletes-to-run-faster-and-do-better-than-white-athletes/
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All I ask you partner is COME OUT...from "behind de bridge"
It only takes one white man to disprove all that you say. Alan Wells beat Silvio Leonard, Borzov beat all the Americans, even after black men had established dominance in sprinting as far back as the 1930s.
You are the one who ask me to check back my facts on "Youtube", but when I quote facts from my generation i.e. the "library" you start asking why I bringing up old facts - facts are facts, Farah was not the first Brit to win a distance medal, admit when you are wrong, and move on, I have in previous posts.
With your kind of thinking, just when them fellas stop looking for Lemaitre in the final, that's when he will most likely surprise all of them. It happened with Wells
Never say never, breds - anything can play - ent you wishing TT will make 2014 world cup??????.
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All I ask you partner is COME OUT...from "behind de bridge"
It only takes one white man to disprove all that you say. Alan Wells beat Silvio Leonard, Borzov beat all the Americans, even after black men had established dominance in sprinting as far back as the 1930s.
You are the one who ask me to check back my facts on "Youtube", but when I quote facts from my generation i.e. the "library" you start asking why I bringing up old facts - facts are facts, Farah was not the first Brit to win a distance medal, admit when you are wrong, and move on, I have in previous posts.
With your kind of thinking, just when them fellas stop looking for Lemaitre in the final, that's when he ill most likely surprise all of them. It happened with Wells
Never say never, breds - anything can play - ent you wishing TT will make 2014 world cup??????.
OK, take win...Farah won Britain's first medals in a men's distance race at the worlds last week.
Im trini, so of course I wish we could make it to brazil. But wishing and the cold hard facts are 2 different things.
And I disagree....one white man winning the olympic final will not disprove my theory. However, if 8 white men are in the final, just like 8 'west africans' has been in the final since 1988, then i will accept that I am wrong.
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All I ask you partner is COME OUT...from "behind de bridge"
It only takes one white man to disprove all that you say. Alan Wells beat Silvio Leonard, Borzov beat all the Americans, even after black men had established dominance in sprinting as far back as the 1930s.
You are the one who ask me to check back my facts on "Youtube", but when I quote facts from my generation i.e. the "library" you start asking why I bringing up old facts - facts are facts, Farah was not the first Brit to win a distance medal, admit when you are wrong, and move on, I have in previous posts.
With your kind of thinking, just when them fellas stop looking for Lemaitre in the final, that's when he ill most likely surprise all of them. It happened with Wells
Never say never, breds - anything can play - ent you wishing TT will make 2014 world cup??????.
OK, take win...Farah won Britain's first medals in a men's distance race at the worlds last week.
Im trini, so of course I wish we could make it to brazil. But wishing and the cold hard facts are 2 different things.
And I disagree....one white man winning the olympic final will not disprove my theory. However, if 8 white men are in the final, just like 8 'west africans' has been in the final since 1988, then i will accept that I am wrong.
Niceness!!
But you did say "a (as in any/one) white man aint ever going to win the 100M at the olympics ever again"
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All I ask you partner is COME OUT...from "behind de bridge"
It only takes one white man to disprove all that you say. Alan Wells beat Silvio Leonard, Borzov beat all the Americans, even after black men had established dominance in sprinting as far back as the 1930s.
You are the one who ask me to check back my facts on "Youtube", but when I quote facts from my generation i.e. the "library" you start asking why I bringing up old facts - facts are facts, Farah was not the first Brit to win a distance medal, admit when you are wrong, and move on, I have in previous posts.
With your kind of thinking, just when them fellas stop looking for Lemaitre in the final, that's when he ill most likely surprise all of them. It happened with Wells
Never say never, breds - anything can play - ent you wishing TT will make 2014 world cup??????.
OK, take win...Farah won Britain's first medals in a men's distance race at the worlds last week.
Im trini, so of course I wish we could make it to brazil. But wishing and the cold hard facts are 2 different things.
And I disagree....one white man winning the olympic final will not disprove my theory. However, if 8 white men are in the final, just like 8 'west africans' has been in the final since 1988, then i will accept that I am wrong.
Niceness!!
But you did say "a (as in any/one) white man aint ever going to win the 100M at the olympics ever again"
And I stand by my prediction. I predict that 'West africans' will finish 1-2-3 in the 100M next year. If it is a level playing field as you suggest, do you care to make a similar prediction that white men will finish 1-2-3, or an ethiopian will win a medal in the 100M?
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First of all, as I suggested earlier, I was musing, hoping for a potential clash of the best athletes! Whenever we see once in a lifetime performances (and that is just a figure of speech) we want to see competition and dream of who could beat who. That is the reason I threw out the Kirani James V David Rudisha idea. To the people who say that a 400/800 double would or could never happen, I reminded you of Juantarena which many of you forgot or were too young to remember. And don't forget that the OLympic commuittee will adjust its schedule, as it has done in the past to accommodate such rivalries. The schedule was adjusted for Michael Johnson's 200/400 double. So please, something maybe unlikely, but never say never.
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Doesn’t this youth Kirani look great?! And he’s got a long future ahead at just 19 years of age!
http://www.youtube.com/v/ngVw0jl4tuw
Here is a Kirani question for you guys!
If Kirani was to break MJ's 400m World Record next year and become Olympic Champion and decided he wanted to entertain going for a double, which distance should he double-up the 400m with?
Should it be the 200m or the 800m?
In other words who does he stand a better chance of matching or beating, the Kenyan WR holder David Rudisha at 800m or Usain Bolt the WR holder at 200m?
And I wonder want is currently Kirani’s best 200m & 800m times? :thinking:
Lets keep in mind he is only going to get quicker and stronger!!
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This is quite funny, everytime I watch this I end up in tears from laughing!! :rotfl:
A Grenadian Kirani James fan watches World's 400m final live and reacts to him winning gold at the recent World Athletics Championships! I think he is referring to Kirani by his nickname "Jaguar" & either wets himself or spills his drink when Kirani wins, not sure which!
http://www.youtube.com/v/IQSWf93m3CQ
Funniest bit is at the end when they cut to a beer commercial!! LOL!!!
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How they celebrated Kirani James World Athletics 400m gold in Grenada!! :beermug:
http://www.youtube.com/NR/1/v/-lPGvDZ8P80
Think the track they are playing is a tribute song called "Jaguar" by Mr Killa!
Here is full tribute song to Kirani James called "De Jaguar" by My Killa!
http://www.youtube.com/v/dF07jiT06HY
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Be careful with these sweeping guarantees about race and who won't do what EVER AGAIN, because you will almost certainly be wrong. Some may forget it was only recently that a white, italian 200m world record which lasted a WHILE was finally taken down, in 1996. That was 15 years ago!
If I had told you last year that a white young 21 year-old frenchman would be 4th in the 100m (and that France would have 2 finalists while we had all of, oh, NONE) and then that same guy would have run 19.80 for 3rd in the 200m at Worlds, soundly beating our lone entrant, you would have been looking for a straightjacket for me. Of all the world class sprinters, Blake included, no-one has MORE upside than Christophe LeMaitre. None. Kirani, Bolt, no one. With no drive phase, his head UP in the air at set, suspect mechanics and a lack of strength, Le Maitre is knocking on 19.7 already - at 21, to go along with his 9.92 100m. How impressive is that? Before Asafa or Bolt, who have not been around 10 years yet, those would have BOTH BEEN JAMAICAN RECORDS!
He is not some flash in the pan, and he has the MOST room for improvement.
Trust me on this one. He will be "Larry Bird" before he is done.
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http://www.trackalerts.com/news/lead-stories/6314-kirani-james-in-for-praises-at-grenadas-sports-awards-ceremony
Kirani James in for praises at Grenada's Sports Awards Ceremony
Monday, 02 January 2012 20:05 Press Release
Grenada's Sports Personalities for 2011 will be announced at a ceremony in St. George's on Saturday January 21, 2012.
Grenada’s world 400m champion Kirani James, 400m finalist Rondell Bartholomew, 200m semi-finalist Janelle Redhead and coaches Albert Joseph and Alleyne Francique as well as other top performers for 2011 are expected to attend the ceremony.
Four-time Olympic medallist and Commonwealth Games 100m record holder, Ato Boldon of Trinidad and Tobago will be the guest speaker. Boldon is also a CBS and NBC Sports television broadcast analyst for track and field.
The ceremony will be held at the Spice Basket Grenada (outskirts of the capital) from 7:00 p.m. Grenada (6:00 p.m. ET).