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Title: Barack Obama Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on September 09, 2011, 01:46:53 PM
Will President Obama be re-elected?

No? Yes? Why? Why not?

Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: kicker on September 09, 2011, 02:10:07 PM
Depends on who wins on the other side.

Only Romney can beat him. 
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Dutty on September 09, 2011, 02:28:47 PM
Depends on who wins on the other side.

Only Romney can beat him. 

wuh bout de george bush clone, yuh doh rate he or wha?
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Socafan on September 09, 2011, 02:57:42 PM
Depends on who wins on the other side.

Only Romney can beat him. 

wuh bout de george bush clone, yuh doh rate he or wha?

When dey start to pong he so. He want to privatise social Security or medicaid or one ah them. Plus when he start to talk about all the jobs he created in Texas (and he always talking about that) and they start to hit him with "but weren't most of those government jobs? :o"
And when SNL start playing the George Bush Clone card, plenty hilarious fodder there,he eh go have a chance. Is still Romney.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: grimm01 on September 09, 2011, 03:25:29 PM
Depends on who wins on the other side.

Only Romney can beat him. 

agreed.

right now the Republican candidates all falling over themselves to please the Tea party, and Rick Perry is one of those who is extremely on the right of issues. his problem is the Tea party faithful not winning him a general election, it's the independents. how do you woo the independents if you spent the whole primary looking extreme and irrational? it will be a hard sell to swing from hard core conservative to middle of the road on issues for the general election... plus to do that means saying and doing things to piss off the Tea party who just help elect yuh as the Republican candidate.

the only Republican who talking anything sensible to me is Huntsman, but he too moderate for the Tea party and social conservatives. Romney may be a nice guy but he comes across as fake... not just fake like a used car salesman trying to make a sale fake, but trying so hard to not look fake, that his fakeness is comically obvious.

Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Bakes on September 09, 2011, 03:29:33 PM
Depends on who wins on the other side.

Only Romney can beat him. 

wuh bout de george bush clone, yuh doh rate he or wha?

When dey start to pong he so. He want to privatise social Security or medicaid or one ah them. Plus when he start to talk about all the jobs he created in Texas (and he always talking about that) and they start to hit him with "but weren't most of those government jobs? :o"
And when SNL start playing the George Bush Clone card, plenty hilarious fodder there,he eh go have a chance. Is still Romney.

He doh want to privitize.. he want to eliminate all three, Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.  Is like he fuhget ole people is de most loyal voting bloc.  Even he handlers was trying to back track from that comment... but he reiterated it on Wednesday, standing firm.  Then yuh have all de secessionist talk.  Only person of all the candidates who could beat Obama is himself, and to date he's been doing a very good job at that.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: ribbit on September 09, 2011, 08:18:38 PM
if it is de prez (illinois) vs. romney (ex gov. of mass.) - two northerners in a campaign. very atypical.

and high voter turnout seem like a sure thing with 9% unemployment.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Conquering Lion on September 10, 2011, 09:19:43 AM
No.

Plain and simple.....he got in under an excellent campaign and perfect circumstances where America was feelin it in their pocket. People had no other choice than go with the him for the sake of change.

People have short memories and will likely to back to their comfort zone and their usual voting patterns.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: elan on September 10, 2011, 11:18:13 AM
No.

Plain and simple.....he got in under an excellent campaign and perfect circumstances where America was feelin it in their pocket. People had no other choice than go with the him for the sake of change.

People have short memories and will likely to back to their comfort zone and their usual voting patterns.

Yes I pray the Republicans win Election. If yuh think things bad now for the lower and middle---->lower-middle class.

Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Trini _2026 on September 10, 2011, 12:21:45 PM
Yes ..... if the unemployment rate goes down .....
but Mitch McConnell stated his intention to make Obama a one term president they going all out for  Obama fail
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Preacher on September 11, 2011, 01:30:22 AM
Tuff luck dey Obama, you know the drill.  You would have had to be the greatest President the world has ever seen since the dawn of time possessing supernatural powers to be considered a good president. 
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: asylumseeker on September 12, 2011, 02:26:37 PM
Democrats Fret Aloud Over Obama’s Chances
By MICHAEL BARBARO, JEFF ZELENY and MONICA DAVEY
NYT: September 10, 2011

Democrats are expressing growing alarm about President Obama’s re-election prospects and, in interviews, are openly acknowledging anxiety about the White House’s ability to strengthen the president’s standing over the next 14 months.

Elected officials and party leaders at all levels said their worries have intensified as the economy has displayed new signs of weakness. They said the likelihood of a highly competitive 2012 race is increasing as the Republican field, once dismissed by many Democrats as too inexperienced and conservative to pose a serious threat, has started narrowing to two leading candidates, Mitt Romney and Rick Perry, who have executive experience and messages built around job creation.

And in a campaign cycle in which Democrats had entertained hopes of reversing losses from last year’s midterm elections, some in the party fear that Mr. Obama’s troubles could reverberate down the ballot into Congressional, state and local races.

“In my district, the enthusiasm for him has mostly evaporated,” said Representative Peter A. DeFazio, Democrat of Oregon. “There is tremendous discontent with his direction.”

The president’s economic address last week offered a measure of solace to discouraged Democrats by employing an assertive and scrappy style that many supporters complain has been absent for the last year as he has struggled to rise above Washington gridlock. Several Democrats suggested that he watch a tape of the jobs speech over and over and use it as a guide until the election.

But a survey of two dozen Democratic officials found a palpable sense of concern that transcended a single week of ups and downs. The conversations signaled a change in mood from only a few months ago, when Democrats widely believed that Mr. Obama’s path to re-election, while challenging, was secure.

“The frustrations are real,” said Representative Elijah E. Cummings of Maryland, who was the state chairman of Mr. Obama’s campaign four years ago. “I think we know that there is a Barack Obama that’s deep in there, but he’s got to synchronize it with passion and principles.”

There is little cause for immediate optimism, with polls showing Mr. Obama at one of the lowest points of his presidency.

His own economic advisers concede that the unemployment rate, currently 9.1 percent, is unlikely to drop substantially over the next year, creating a daunting obstacle to re-election.

Liberals have grown frustrated by some of his actions, like the decision this month to drop tougher air-quality standards.

And polling suggests that the president’s yearlong effort to reclaim the political center has so far yielded little in the way of additional support from the moderates and independents who tend to decide presidential elections.

“The alarms have already gone off in the Democratic grass roots,” said Robert Zimmerman, a member of the Democratic National Committee from New York, who hopes the president’s jobs plan can be a turning point. “If the Obama administration hasn’t heard them, they should check the wiring of their alarm system.”

At a gathering of the Democratic National Committee in Chicago this weekend, some party leaders sounded upbeat after they toured the Obama campaign headquarters. But others expressed anxiety that Mr. Obama’s accomplishments were not being conveyed loudly enough to ordinary people, that Republican lawmakers were making it impossible for him to get more done, and that Mr. Obama’s conciliatory approach might be translating to some voters as weakness.

“Now that they’re slapping him in the side of the face, he’s coming back,” said William George, a committee member from Pennsylvania. “He needs to start stomping his foot and pounding the desk.” At the White House and at Mr. Obama’s campaign headquarters in Chicago, officials bristled at the critiques, which they dismissed as familiar intraparty carping and second-guessing that would give way to unity and enthusiasm once the nation is facing a clear choice between the president and the Republican nominee.

Jim Messina, the campaign manager for the president’s re-election, said the criticism was largely a “Washington conversation” that did not match up with the on-the-ground enthusiasm for Mr. Obama among his network of supporters. Yet even without a primary challenger, the campaign purposefully started its effort early to allow concerns from supporters to be aired.

To reassure nervous Democrats, the president’s campaign aides are traveling the country with PowerPoint presentations that spell out Mr. Obama’s path to re-election. Their pitch is that Mr. Obama’s appeal has grown in traditionally Republican states like Arizona, where there are fast-growing Hispanic populations, and that Republicans have alienated independent voters with “extreme” positions on popular programs like Medicare.

“We always knew 2011 was, in part, a conversation with our supporters and a time to tell the story to our base to make sure they understand what he has gotten done,” Mr. Messina said. “Our supporters are reasonable and need to be reminded about the things we’ve done.”

He added: “No one is calling me up and yelling. They are people saying: ‘How can we get the word out? How do we better talk about it?’ ”

For Mr. Obama’s strongest supporters, his jobs speech on Thursday night to a joint session of Congress seemed to affirm their belief that after a rough patch, the White House had seized the upper hand, however temporarily, in both substantive and political terms.

After ceding much of the debate over the economy to Republicans, they said, Mr. Obama had framed next year’s election as a struggle between a president with a plan for creating jobs and reducing the deficit and a Republican Party that would rather score political points and adhere slavishly to ideological positions than address the needs of Americans.

Gov. Martin O’Malley of Maryland, who attended the speech, described a changed president, no longer so reluctant to be outwardly aggressive. “He seemed liberated for the fight and very confident in his own skin,” Mr. O’Malley said.

But given the risk of voters’ locking in judgments that Mr. Obama’s presidency has failed to address the economy adequately or to deliver on its promise of changing Washington, many Democrats said that both the speech and Mr. Obama’s change in tone had been long overdue.

“He should have given it earlier,” said Representative John D. Dingell of Michigan.

Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio said, “He’s got to engage, make the contrast and occasionally be combative.”

The president is already embracing the suggestion that he spend more time outside Washington, which emerged as a recurring theme in the interviews with Democrats. He promoted his economic plan in Virginia on Friday and has trips to North Carolina and Ohio on tap this week.

At the Democratic National Committee meeting in Chicago, Mannie Rodriguez, a committee member from Colorado, said Democrats needed to find a new blast of energy — something to remind them of what they felt in 2008 when Mr. Obama was elected on a slogan of hope and change.

“We need to work more on the message,” Mr. Rodriguez said, adding that much of Mr. Obama’s challenge stems from a group of Republicans who “simply say no” to all of his advances. “We have to re-energize people and get them back to the party.”

In many parts of the country, Democrats are still reeling from the punishing defeat in the 2010 elections, which gave Republicans control of a majority of governor’s seats and legislative chambers. State Democratic leaders are criticizing the White House with candor, fretting aloud about the president’s electoral vulnerability.

“If the election were held today, it would be extremely close here in Florida,” said Jon M. Ausman, a member of the Democratic National Committee from Florida.

Problems for Mr. Obama in Florida, Mr. Ausman said, could trickle down into next year’s Senate race there, where Bill Nelson, a Democrat, faces re-election. “Too many people here have lost their jobs,” Mr. Ausman said.

For all the hand-wringing among Democrats, some party leaders say Mr. Obama has time to reverse his slipping fortunes — but not much.

“I think there’s an uneasy feeling, but it’s a little early for an ulcer to develop,” said Representative Gerald E. Connolly of Virginia. “Obviously, the dark cloud over everything is the economic performance.”

Mr. DeFazio recalled attending a dozen or so town-hall-style meetings recently in his district, a slice of western Oregon that Mr. Obama carried in 2008 by 11 percentage points. Mr. DeFazio said party loyalists had bluntly said they were reconsidering their support.

“I have one heck of a lot of Democrats saying, ‘I voted for him before, don’t know if I can do it again,’ ” he said.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: asylumseeker on September 12, 2011, 03:05:20 PM
I asked the question; therefore, it's only fair that I provide my view.

If the election were to be held tomorrow, Obama could win. Win, but not comfortably. But, there are no snap elections on the US landscape ... November 2012 is 14 months away.

In my view, there are some potentially disturbing social issues brewing at the state level in the US ... should these issues coalesce with existing economic disgruntlement, there will be a significant crisis presented the Obama campaign. I'm sure Mitch McConnell is doing his darnedest to foment the coalescing. Having social and economic conservatives pissed off is one thing ... having them united is another.

This election presently rides on domestic policy formulation and that's unlikely to change on present course. Even with the nullification of Osama bin Laden, the removal of Moammar Qaddafi, the realignment of Afghan and Pakistani issues, and "front page minimization" of Iranian and North-Korean centered issues, the administration has not been able to claim more than a Pyrrhic victory. AGAIN, even with the nullification of Osama bin Laden ...

Indeed, the disenchantment of the Netanyahu government with the Obama administration and concurrent problematics with Turkey's relations with Israel don't assist the situation, and could well prove to be volatile. Yet still, this is a domestic policy election given on the ground economic realities and the American penchant for insularity within the motivated electorate. I have doubts regarding the ability of Democrats to mitigate the damage. They couldn't even address the Weiner matter in a timely and consolidated fashion.

I say it's too early to call ... I'll wait 4 months to assess the scene and the responsiveness of the administration as the re-election campaign becomes more/fully segmented from the White House's day to day administration.

Pay attention to the fortunes of Jon Huntsman. As the wind blows on that end, Romney might implode.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Deeks on September 12, 2011, 04:30:38 PM
next time allyuh have a Dem in the white, go and vote in the mid term elections. we should not sit on we arses and think the man is a magician.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: truetrini on September 12, 2011, 04:38:16 PM
next time allyuh have a Dem in the white, go and vote in the mid term elections. we should not sit on we arses and think the man is a magician.

He is soft on too many issues...too much deference to the Republican led congress..way too much.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Bakes on September 12, 2011, 05:37:00 PM
next time allyuh have a Dem in the white, go and vote in the mid term elections. we should not sit on we arses and think the man is a magician.

He is soft on too many issues...too much deference to the Republican led congress..way too much.


Much truth in both statements.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: ribbit on September 12, 2011, 06:48:44 PM
next time allyuh have a Dem in the white, go and vote in the mid term elections. we should not sit on we arses and think the man is a magician.

He is soft on too many issues...too much deference to the Republican led congress..way too much.

not just de republicans. he particularly attuned to certain interests.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Preacher on September 12, 2011, 09:36:53 PM
next time allyuh have a Dem in the white, go and vote in the mid term elections. we should not sit on we arses and think the man is a magician.

He is soft on too many issues...too much deference to the Republican led congress..way too much.

not just de republicans. he particularly attuned to certain interests.

The last thing Obama wants is to be labeled as a hardliner. 
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: truetrini on September 12, 2011, 10:01:56 PM
next time allyuh have a Dem in the white, go and vote in the mid term elections. we should not sit on we arses and think the man is a magician.

He is soft on too many issues...too much deference to the Republican led congress..way too much.

not just de republicans. he particularly attuned to certain interests.

The last thing Obama wants is to be labeled as a hardliner. 

He has already been likened to a Nazi, Hitler, Socialist, Communist etc...there is no risk for that Preacher.  He should stick to his guns and stop pl;aying into republican hands time and time again.

he had health care reform passed as a largely republican bill and they still call it Obamacare..he is too damn soft!
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Preacher on September 13, 2011, 12:22:56 AM
He's also been called The Anti-Christ.  lol  But TC I ain't know if he's ready to take the "What else can they do to me road."  If he takes that road his own party will dis-own him.  They ready to call the man the worst President in US history.   :pissedoff:    All the Dems chips are on him.  The got nothing else coming for the next 8 years.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: asylumseeker on September 13, 2011, 08:35:35 AM
Let me ask a question: what's part of the formula for a black man to be successful in America?
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: truetrini on September 13, 2011, 08:41:57 AM
Let me ask a question: what's part of the formula for a black man to be successful in America?

Let me answer by asking another question:  "What other country in the world has as many successful black men as America?"
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: asylumseeker on September 13, 2011, 10:24:22 AM
Let me ask a question: what's part of the formula for a black man to be successful in America?

Let me answer by asking another question:  "What other country in the world has as many successful black men as America?"

Nigeria.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: truetrini on September 13, 2011, 11:26:11 AM
Let me ask a question: what's part of the formula for a black man to be successful in America?

Let me answer by asking another question:  "What other country in the world has as many successful black men as America?"

Nigeria.

so in order to be successful as a black man maybe you need to be as corrupt as those in Nigeria?
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: asylumseeker on September 13, 2011, 12:54:21 PM
The real question is how does the number of successful black men answer my question.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Andre on September 13, 2011, 01:05:00 PM
Let me ask a question: what's part of the formula for a black man to be successful in America?

Let me answer by asking another question:  "What other country in the world has as many successful black men as America?"

Trinidad
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: ribbit on September 14, 2011, 08:07:49 AM
The real question is how does the number of successful black men answer my question.

yur question is supposed to be an answer to itself. yuh talking in circles like dog chasing its tail. what medication yuh on? ???
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: asylumseeker on September 14, 2011, 11:00:42 AM
next time allyuh have a Dem in the white, go and vote in the mid term elections. we should not sit on we arses and think the man is a magician.

He is soft on too many issues...too much deference to the Republican led congress..way too much.

not just de republicans. he particularly attuned to certain interests.

The last thing Obama wants is to be labeled as a hardliner. 

Is that your enlightened position? Every POTUS is attuned to interest ... particularly self-interest. What interests are you referring to?

+++

On the issue of Obama being soft ... Obama's most sensible path to the White House was that of assuming a moderate mantle. I don't believe it was insincere. I think it was the most practical approach. That he would adhere to the parameters of a moderate approach upon taking office also should come as no surprise. Has his moderate stance opened him up to the charge of being soft? Yes, absolutely. Why so? Would he be open to this charge but for the Republican intransigence? To a degree. A significantly lesser degree.

Does this perceived softness mean that he is weak? No. Does this perceived softness mean that he is perceived as a weak president? Perhaps.

What's handicapping him from acting otherwise? Why is he holding his hand?

Is his moderation and path to the White House reflective of the moderate accommodations that could be viewed as necessary variables in the equation of Blacks achieving success in the US? Is there a formula for black men to be successful in America? If so, what's part of that formula?

Preacher raises what I suggest are very good points.

Although Obama effectively neutralized race as an impediment in getting to the White House, race remains a factor in his calculus and in the calculus of his opponents. In this regard, I think Obama possibly has less political capital and room to maneuver than would a "traditional" president in the same circumstances ... all other things being equal or held constant.

To what degree is the weight of legacy a burden on him? Republicans are hoping to malign him as leaving a taste worse than Jimmy Carter. Does a FUBAR by Obama impede the presidential prospects of a subsequent black candidate? Why should Carter's legacy be less detrimental in generational terms than Obama's?

Is any of this lost on Obama? I doubt it.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: asylumseeker on September 21, 2011, 10:54:06 PM
I asked the question; therefore, it's only fair that I provide my view.

If the election were to be held tomorrow, Obama could win. Win, but not comfortably. But, there are no snap elections on the US landscape ... November 2012 is 14 months away.

In my view, there are some potentially disturbing social issues brewing at the state level in the US ... should these issues coalesce with existing economic disgruntlement, there will be a significant crisis presented the Obama campaign. I'm sure Mitch McConnell is doing his darnedest to foment the coalescing. Having social and economic conservatives pissed off is one thing ... having them united is another.

This election presently rides on domestic policy formulation and that's unlikely to change on present course. Even with the nullification of Osama bin Laden, the removal of Moammar Qaddafi, the realignment of Afghan and Pakistani issues, and "front page minimization" of Iranian and North-Korean centered issues, the administration has not been able to claim more than a Pyrrhic victory. AGAIN, even with the nullification of Osama bin Laden ...

Indeed, the disenchantment of the Netanyahu government with the Obama administration and concurrent problematics with Turkey's relations with Israel don't assist the situation, and could well prove to be volatile.
Yet still, this is a domestic policy election given on the ground economic realities and the American penchant for insularity within the motivated electorate. I have doubts regarding the ability of Democrats to mitigate the damage. They couldn't even address the Weiner matter in a timely and consolidated fashion.

I say it's too early to call ... I'll wait 4 months to assess the scene and the responsiveness of the administration das the re-election campaign becomes more/fully segmented from the White House's day to day administration.

Pay attention to the fortunes of Jon Huntsman. As the wind blows on that end, Romney might implode.


Let's review the record. Since posting the comments above much has occurred. Israel has risen on the agenda with the Palestinian call for statehood via the UN. Obama bridged the divide with Netanyahu out of national interest (that happens to coincide with his electoral interest ... although it's doubtful it will create as much traction with single-issue voters as it did in '08).

The Palestinian street regards the US position as contrary to the sentiment of the Arab Spring. Trouble could be brewing in the West Bank and Gaza due to that. Turkey and Israel have heightened tensions steadily ratcheting up.

The by-election in NY in which Mayor Koch's voice proved influential in overturning decades of fidelity to the Democratic Party also served to raise question marks about Obama's possibilities - although it's said Democratic performance in that constituency was expected to be challenging even if Koch didn't intervene. Although the economy was the driving force, that by-election included an element of concern regarding President Obama's perceived insensitivity to Israeli interests.

Also, the release of the American hostages by Iran and bombings/attacks in Afghanistan and Pakistan against high profile targets (US Embassy, former Afghan PM Rabbani, and the important police official in Karachi have retaken the front page. Only North Korea seems to be on a cooling down period.

No burners are on low and economic woes are overheating. Imagine having to deal with all of that and domestic politics while the media pushes even lower approval ratings (or as the new genius refers to them "high disapproval ratings". Worries in de dance!
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Bakes on September 21, 2011, 11:28:03 PM
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The by-election in NY in which Mayor Koch's voice proved influential in overturning decades of fidelity to the Democratic Party also served to raise question marks about Obama's possibilities - although it's said Democratic performance in that constituency was expected to be challenging even if Koch didn't intervene. Although the economy was the driving force, that by-election included an element of concern regarding President Obama's perceived insensitivity to Israeli interests.

That's all it is... a bunch of Orthodox Jews and Israel zealots are hardly the most accurate bellwether on his chances for office.  Also, can't blame the disapproval ratings on a media push.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: asylumseeker on September 22, 2011, 12:26:37 AM
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The by-election in NY in which Mayor Koch's voice proved influential in overturning decades of fidelity to the Democratic Party also served to raise question marks about Obama's possibilities - although it's said Democratic performance in that constituency was expected to be challenging even if Koch didn't intervene. Although the economy was the driving force, that by-election included an element of concern regarding President Obama's perceived insensitivity to Israeli interests.

That's all it is... a bunch of Orthodox Jews and Israel zealots are hardly the most accurate bellwether on his chances for office.  Also, can't blame the disapproval ratings on a media push.

He needs $$$ to finance the campaign. That's one aspect. Can't alienate the philanthropic lobby.

But aside from that, I disagree with the zealot and Orthodox characterizations. Obama worked hard to win over skeptical Jewish voters who traditionally voted Dem ... Recall Hillary didn't have to work (as) hard to get their support. All she had to do was maintain. Even outside Orthodox circles, there are concerns because there is a feeling that he hasn't delivered the goods he promised. Given the amalgam implicated in Dem Party politics (gays, ethnic minorities, labour etc ...) he's got issues all across the board.

What's an "Israel zealot" anyhow? Someone who defends Israel's right to exist?
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Bakes on September 22, 2011, 12:52:51 AM
I am speaking specifically of that constituency... they are hardly representative of Jewish voters nationwide.  The 'zealot' comment references their unflinching, irrational support of Israel, and denunciation of any criticism, irrespective of whether it's deserved or not.  Maybe yuh not familiar with District 9.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: ribbit on September 25, 2011, 09:23:26 AM
forget de HOPE ah promise, de message is RESET.

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Obama tells blacks to 'stop complainin' and fight
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WASHINGTON (AP) — In a fiery summons to an important voting bloc, President Barack Obama told blacks on Saturday to quit crying and complaining and "put on your marching shoes" to follow him into battle for jobs and opportunity.

And though he didn't say it directly, for a second term, too.

Obama's speech to the annual awards dinner of the Congressional Black Caucus was his answer to increasingly vocal griping from black leaders that he's been giving away too much in talks with Republicans -- and not doing enough to fight black unemployment, which is nearly double the national average at 16.7 percent.

"It gets folks discouraged. I know. I listen to some of y'all," Obama told an audience of some 3,000 in a darkened Washington convention center.

But he said blacks need to have faith in the future -- and understand that the fight won't be won if they don't rally to his side.

"I need your help," Obama said.

The president will need black turnout to match its historic 2008 levels if he's to have a shot at winning a second term, and Saturday's speech was a chance to speak directly to inner-city concerns.

He acknowledged blacks have suffered mightily because of the recession, and are frustrated that the downturn is taking so long to reverse. "So many people are still hurting. So many people are barely hanging on," he said, then added: "And so many people in this city are fighting us every step of the way."

But Obama said blacks know all too well from the civil rights struggle that the fight for what is right is never easy.

"Take off your bedroom slippers. Put on your marching shoes," he said, his voice rising as applause and cheers mounted. "Shake it off. Stop complainin'. Stop grumblin'. Stop cryin'. We are going to press on. We have work to do."

Topping the to-do list, he said, is getting Congress to the pass jobs bill he sent to Capitol Hill two weeks ago.

Obama said the package of payroll tax cuts, business tax breaks and infrastructure spending will benefit 100,000 black-owned businesses and 20 million African-American workers. Republicans have indicated they're open to some of the tax measures -- but oppose his means of paying for it: hiking taxes on top income-earners and big business.

But at times, Obama also sounded like he was discussing his own embattled tenure.

"The future rewards those who press on," He said. "I don't have time to feel sorry for myself. I don't have time to complain. I'm going to press on." [ribbit - seems he doh have time to reflect on why, when he had both houses, he ignore his own team of economic advisors and decide to freestyle - cuz he all-knowing all-seeing like de one above STEUUUUUUUUPPPPPPPSSSSS]

Caucus leaders remain fiercely protective of the nation's first African-American president, but in recent weeks they've been increasingly vocal in their discontent -- especially over black joblessness.

"If Bill Clinton had been in the White House and had failed to address this problem, we probably would be marching on the White House," the caucus chairman, Rep. Emanuel Cleaver of Missouri, recently told McClatchy Newspapers.

Like many Democratic lawmakers, caucus members were dismayed by Obama's concessions to the GOP during the summer's talks on raising the government's borrowing limit.

Cleaver famously called the compromise deal a "sugar-coated Satan sandwich."

But Cleaver said his members also are keeping their gripes in check because "nobody wants to do anything that would empower the people who hate the president."

Still, Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., caused a stir last month by complaining that Obama's Midwest bus tour had bypassed black districts. She told a largely black audience in Detroit that the caucus is "supportive of the president, but we're getting tired."

Last year, Obama addressed the same dinner and implored blacks to get out the vote in the midterm elections because Republicans were preparing to "turn back the clock."

What followed was a Democratic rout that Obama acknowledged as a "shellacking."

Where blacks had turned out in droves to help elect him in 2008, there was a sharp drop-off two years later.

Some 65 percent of eligible blacks voted in 2008, compared with a 2010 level that polls estimate at between 37 percent and 40 percent. Final census figures for 2010 are not yet available, and it's worth noting off-year elections typically draw far fewer voters.

This year's caucus speech came as Obama began cranking up grass-roots efforts across the Democratic spectrum.

It also fell on the eve of a trip to the West Coast that will combine salesmanship for the jobs plan he sent to Congress this month and re-election fundraising.

Obama was leaving Sunday morning for Seattle, where two money receptions were planned, with two more to follow in the San Francisco area.

On Monday, Obama is holding a town meeting at the California headquarters of LinkedIn, the business networking website, before going on to fundraisers in San Diego and Los Angeles and a visit Tuesday to a Denver-area high school to highlight the school renovation component of the jobs package.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: warmonga on September 26, 2011, 09:10:24 AM
If Cacausian thinks like ppl frm trinidad Hell f**king NO!!!!!!!!!!!!! if they think Like americans we good to go .. One more term for Mr Obama..Anyway or the other I think the man his doing his best.. A little to Partial but He doing his best he gets my vote...

war
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: asylumseeker on September 26, 2011, 11:54:43 AM
September 23, 2011 New York Times

Jewish Votes, Some of Them in Play
By LAURIE GOODSTEIN

American Jews have long proved a solid voting bloc for the Democratic Party, with about four out of five voting for President Obama in 2008, according to exit polls. Jewish voters are driven by a broad range of concerns, but for some the security of Israel is dominant. Now, with the peace process in the Middle East at a stalemate and Palestinians taking their case for statehood directly to the United Nations, Republicans are stepping up their efforts to peel off Jewish voters.

While this constituency is clearly in play, a new Gallup poll shows that Jews are no more disillusioned than other Americans are with Mr. Obama. According to the poll, his Jewish support has declined since the election in 2008 — but at a rate no different from that of Americans as a whole. Even with that drop-off, 54 percent of Jewish voters told Gallup in August and September that they approved of the job the president was doing (compared with 41 percent of American voters over all). In fact, Jews continue to be far more enthusiastic about Mr. Obama than other Americans — a 13-point difference that has remained sizable throughout the president’s term.

The fresh focus on Jewish voters was prompted in part by the victory of a Republican, Bob Turner, in a special election last week in New York’s Ninth Congressional District. With a heavy concentration of Orthodox Jews, the district is not representative of Jewish voters nationwide; the Orthodox lean far more Republican than the vast majority of American Jewry.

Nevertheless, the election generated excitement among Republicans that the Jewish vote could be up for grabs. Reporters visited three communities with heavy concentrations of Jewish voters for impressions of any shift in their allegiances. (see articles below)

Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: asylumseeker on September 26, 2011, 11:56:00 AM
[THE FIRST SCENARIO]
Bala Cynwyd, Pa.: Fears Gnaw at Liberalism
By ERIK ECKHOLM

Judy Rothman is a lifelong Democrat who says, “I’m not 100 percent sure yet that I won’t vote for Obama.” She finds herself leaning that way, though — solely because of “a vague sense of unease” about the depth of President Obama’s support for Israel.

Ms. Rothman, 47, and her family moved from the Upper West Side of Manhattan to this Philadelphia suburb five years ago, buying a house near the Lower Merion Synagogue, a Modern Orthodox congregation. A physical therapist who works with infants, she knocked on doors for Mr. Obama in 2008. Back then, at dinner parties with the more hawkish couples who dominate their new synagogue, her husband kicked her under the table when her defenses of Mr. Obama got too passionate.

But those conversations were “eye-opening,” and now she feels torn between her liberal ideals and her fear for Israel. Her concern is visceral because her brother and sister live there, she said, and anti-Israel passions unleashed by the Arab Spring have deepened it. She feels that Mr. Obama asks Israel to make too many unilateral concessions.

“I just want a stronger show of support,” she said.

Local Jewish leaders say most of the more than 200,000 Jews who live in greater Philadelphia, many of them scattered through the western suburbs known as the Main Line, remain Democrats and are almost sure to support Mr. Obama in 2012. But they also say many Jews struggle with the agonizing counter-pulls expressed by Ms. Rothman — devotion to liberal social policies but a primal, if to some irrational, sense that Republican hawks might be better for Israel. Enter Bibi Netanyahu stage right

Rabbis compare notes on how to handle Israel-related issues in their congregations because they are so contentious, said Rabbi Adam Zeff of the Germantown Jewish Center in Philadelphia. He said that his congregation, which includes many urban professionals, tends to be liberal and more focused on domestic issues, and that most members were comfortable with Mr. Obama’s Israel stance. Yet he struggles to know what to say about Israel without setting off acrimony.

Murray Lefkowitz, 85, a retired furniture repairer, said that if he had a complaint about Mr. Obama, it was that the president had not fought hard enough against the Republicans.

“I do worry that the Republicans might offer stronger support of Israel,” Mr. Lefkowitz said after exercising at the Kaiserman Jewish Community Center in the Main Line suburb of Wynnewood, “but I’m a professional worrier.” He cannot understand why Jews would forsake their history of liberal social thought to become Republicans. Hmmmmmmmmm, some SERIOUS!!! Solomonic wisdom ... ask Ari Fleischer

Bill Rubin, 53, a test tutor taking a basketball break at the center, was more pointed. “I think the mainstream Jewish community is too reflexively supportive of anything done by Israel,” he said. “I do care about Israel, and I don’t mistrust Obama on Israel.”

Lori Lowenthal Marcus, 53, is one of those dinner-party guests who urged Ms. Rothman to be more hawkish. She voted against Mr. Obama in 2008 and expects to support the Republicans in 2012.

A lawyer who fought for abortion rights, she said her thoughts on Israeli security had hardened since 9/11. Now, she runs a Zionist campaign from home that supports Israeli settlements and strong defense policies.

Sean Collins Walsh contributed reporting from Philadelphia.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: asylumseeker on September 26, 2011, 12:03:02 PM
[THE SECOND SCENARIO]
September 23, 2011
Only Palms Are Swaying
By LIZETTE ALVAREZ

Munching on a buttered bagel at a bookstore, Helen Wagner and her partner, Clifford Turkel, said they knew exactly why President Obama looked to be stumbling and sliding his way toward the election.

But they also know there are no easy answers. It’s true, they said: Mr. Obama needs to be more astute on Israel, and Jews in general are wary of his stance. Israel is his friend, and in a region soaked with enemies, friends should not be squandered, and yet a truce also is necessary. And, yes: The economy is reeling, people are livid, progress seems ephemeral, and yet Mr. Obama began his term with an outsize load of turmoil.

So will Ms. Wagner, a dynamic 86-year-old, and Mr. Turkel, a 77-year-old born in the Bronx, both Reform Jews, vote for the president again?

“Of course, of course,” Ms. Wagner said.

“Absolutely,” chimed in Mr. Turkel. Then he offered a dollop of advice. “He should be more aggressive on his handling of the Republicans,” he said. “He should give them a little hell, the way Truman did.”

Outside supermarkets and restaurants, inside bookstores and candy shops, Jewish voters in this affluent yet diverse Jewish community in north Miami said they planned to mostly stay the course. If they did vote for Mr. Obama in 2008, many of them — Reform and Conservative alike — said they planned to do so again, although not quite as enthusiastically.

Those who did not vote for the president the last time — mostly Orthodox, with a smattering of Conservatives like Jay Weinberg — were more convinced than ever that they had made the right choice. “He has thrown Israel under the bus,” said Mr. Weinberg, 64, a former educator. “What is he going to give them — the Golan Heights, too?”

Renata Bloom, 73, a Conservative and a real estate agent who plans to vote for Mr. Obama, like last time, said the Arab Spring had frightened Jews and turned some against Mr. Obama. “People are questioning him now,” she said.

Not Holly Royce Ginsberg, 69, who described her support for the president as “unshakable.” A former teacher, dental hygienist, Playboy bunny and “super liberal,” Ms. Ginsberg said Mr. Obama had been “handed a rotten bunch of fruit.” She said that on the question of Israel, people just had a “knee-jerk reaction.”

But Ruth Fertig, 81, standing near a kosher candy shop, said that while Israel was key, her criticism of Mr. Obama went beyond that: It’s the economy, his lack of leadership, the people who surround him in Washington.

A retired New York City teacher, Ms. Fertig said that she had voted for him once, and that once was enough. She will probably stay home on Election Day.

Could she change her mind?

“I don’t believe in miracles,” she said.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: asylumseeker on September 26, 2011, 12:08:00 PM
[THE THIRD SCENARIO]
September 23, 2011
An Enthusiasm Cools Down
By JENNIFER MEDINA

For Melissa Balaban, 46, talking about President Obama feels like criticizing a close friend. She knows he could do better, she said, she really wants him to do better, but she will stick with him even in difficult times.

Ms. Balaban is the executive director of Ikar, an independent Jewish religious community in west Los Angeles. Dozens of its members knocked on doors and helped raise money for Mr. Obama in 2008.

Hillel Tigay, 42, the music director of the community, said the sense he had was not so much one of “buyer’s remorse,” but more like a “Sunday hangover.” He has been disappointed in the way the president has spoken about Israel, but he cannot see voting for a Republican.

They are frustrated, demoralized even, that Mr. Obama has not been able to effect more change since taking office. Several said this was the first president they had voted for with excitement, hoping he would lead with a moral vision. Instead, they said, he has been forced to focus on tactical details, and not very effectively.

But those in the small group who gathered Thursday morning at the rabbi’s office to chat about the president said they would vote for him again, regardless of their disappointment. “Absolutely,” said Rabbi Sharon Brous, their 37-year-old spiritual leader, her voice rising. “Everything is at stake.”

These are not single-issue voters. They are looking for candidates who support gay marriage and, save for the one Republican in the group, liberal economic policies. They see themselves as Zionists, but are not necessarily enamored of Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister.

“There’s a sense that if you are not with him, you are anti-Israel and not to be trusted,” said Adam Wergeles, 46, a lawyer and Ms. Balaban’s husband. “That’s absurd and dangerous.”

Everyone there favors a two-state solution. But while Mr. Tigay said he found Mr. Obama’s speech to the United Nations General Assembly on Wednesday reassuring because it emphasized America’s commitment to Israel, Mr. Wergeles said he saw it as capitulating to American political pressure, and not focusing enough on practical solutions.

Most frustrating, Rabbi Brous said, is how Republican leaders have tried to capitalize on the debate over Israel for political gain. “They’re touching on all the vulnerabilities of the Jewish community by distortion,” she said.

Yoni Fife, 31, a lawyer and the lone Republican and McCain voter in the group, finds himself unmoved by the current Republican candidates, who he said were “way away” from where most American Jews were on social policies.

But as Ms. Balaban put it, Jews were not just a solid voting bloc in 2008. They were a “solid cheering section.”

“What concerns me most is that people are just not going to care enough to vote,” Mr. Wergeles said. “The loss of that kind of passion could really hurt Obama.”
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Deeks on September 26, 2011, 02:57:08 PM
Last year, Obama addressed the same dinner and implored blacks to get out the vote in the midterm elections because Republicans were preparing to "turn back the clock."

What followed was a Democratic rout that Obama acknowledged as a "shellacking."

Where blacks had turned out in droves to help elect him in 2008, there was a sharp drop-off two years later.



That is it right dey. It is no longer a 4 year cycle. It is a 2year cycle.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: rotatopoti3 on September 26, 2011, 08:42:26 PM
Vote Cain for President....in Cain we trust........ :cheers: :cheers:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/cain-nearly-quit-campaign-florida-straw-poll-says-115734617.html
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Bakes on September 26, 2011, 09:54:57 PM
Vote Cain for President....in Cain we trust........ :cheers: :cheers:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/cain-nearly-quit-campaign-florida-straw-poll-says-115734617.html

I cyah vote for Cain Republican.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: rotatopoti3 on September 27, 2011, 12:07:34 AM
I cyah vote for Cain  ;D Republican.

well dat iz d REAL problem.....isnt it..

cause Obama aint have ah prayer in d world if dey go neck and neck.....

Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: JDB on September 27, 2011, 05:53:46 AM
I cyah vote for Cain  ;D Republican.

well dat iz d REAL problem.....isnt it..

cause Obama aint have ah prayer in d world if dey go neck and neck.....



This is the dude that say Americans have the right to ban mosques right?
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: rotatopoti3 on September 27, 2011, 06:22:12 AM
This is the dude that say Americans have the right to ban mosques right?

Yeah thats right..and he iz also d same dude who also said he iz a Black American and not an African American..
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Dutty on September 27, 2011, 06:55:57 AM
This is the dude that say Americans have the right to ban mosques right?

Yeah thats right..and he iz also d same dude who also said he iz a Black American and not an African American..

does that help?
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: JDB on September 27, 2011, 08:20:06 AM
This is the dude that say Americans have the right to ban mosques right?

Yeah thats right..and he iz also d same dude who also said he iz a Black American and not an African American..

What is the significance of that?
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Deeks on September 28, 2011, 06:37:02 AM
This is the dude that say Americans have the right to ban mosques right?

Yeah thats right..and he iz also d same dude who also said he iz a Black American and not an African American..

What is the significance of that?

Herman wants nothing to do with Africa.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: asylumseeker on September 29, 2011, 03:34:02 PM
Can Rick Perry Regain His Momentum?
by Mara Liasson

Texas Gov. Rick Perry rocketed to the top of the field after he jumped in the race for the GOP nomination for president last month.

His early rise in the polls was based on what Republican voters thought they knew about him. But the debates gave Republicans a chance to see Perry in action — and the normally aggressive Texas governor has been forced into the uncomfortable position of defense.

"No other candidate ... has the record that I have," he said last weekend in Michigan. "Yep, there may be slicker candidates and there may be smoother debaters, but I know what I believe in."

A Wobbly Debate Performance

There were three key moments in last week's Orlando, Fla., debate where Perry undercut himself. The first came when he defended his support of in-state tuition for illegal immigrants:

"If you say that we should not educate children who have come into our state for no other reason than they've been brought there, by no fault of their own, I don't think you have a heart," he said.

Calling people who disagree with you heartless is not a great way to win their votes. And Perry has since acknowledged that was a poor choice of words.

But that wasn't Perry's only problem in the Orlando debate. He also seemed unprepared when asked a predictable foreign-policy question about what he'd do if Pakistan's nuclear weapons fell into the wrong hands:

"Well obviously, before you ever get to that point, you have to build a relationship in that region. That's one of the things that this administration has not done. Yesterday, we found out through Adm. Mullen that Haqqani has been involved with — and that's the terrorist group directly associated with the Pakistani country. So to have a relationship with India, to make sure that India knows that they are an ally of the United States."

And when he tried to attack Mitt Romney with a list of well-known flip-flops, he seemed tongue-tied:

"Is it the Mitt Romney that was on the side of, against the Second Amendment before he was for the Second Amendment? Was it — was before — he was before these social programs, from the standpoint of, he was for standing up for Roe vs. Wade before he was against, verse — Roe vs. Wade?"

A Rick Perry Problem

Perry's unsteady performance set many Republicans to wondering whether he was ready for a presidential campaign or, for that matter, the White House.

Bruce Keough is a Republican activist who had been Romney's New Hampshire state chairman in 2008. But he publicly broke with Romney earlier this year and was looking for another candidate to support. He said he was interested in Perry.

"With Perry," Keough said before the Orlando debate, "I'm looking for that reassurance, that message to the voters that, 'Yeah, I call them like I see them, and I've said some things when I'm making speeches and writing books that might give you pause, but I'm not going to be a president you have to worry about. I'm not going to drop the ball on the 5-yard line.' "

After the debate, Keough said Perry's performance was not reassuring.

"I have serious concerns that he may be someone who's going to drop the ball after watching him in Orlando," he said.

So what does Perry do now? Advice, of course, is plentiful. Republican consultant Alex Castellanos worked for Romney in 2008 and for one of Perry's opponents in the 2006 Texas governor's race.

"Rick Perry's never won races in Texas because he's loved or because he's eloquent," Castellanos says. "He's won races because he rips his opponents' lungs out."

And that's what Castellanos thinks Perry should do now: Attack Barack Obama, showing Republicans how he'd fight the main event. But between now and then, he has to attack Romney — and Castellanos says that could be risky.

"What it might do is strengthen Romney," he says, "because if Romney sits there imperturbable, unflappably cool and keeps on going, this may be what Mitt Romney needs."

Most Republicans agree that Perry doesn't have a Romney problem — he has a Perry problem. Florida Republican strategist Eric Eikenberg says Perry needs to remind Republicans what they liked about him in the first place — that he's a strong conservative, an evangelical Christian with a Texas record to boast about.

"He's the only governor in this country that can actually say that he's been a job creator, his state's been a job creator during this recession. And that's a message that is resonating with voters," Eikenberg says.

He says it's still early enough for Perry to refocus. And Perry will have plenty of opportunities: He's campaigning in New Hampshire this weekend, and then on Oct. 11, he'll be back in Romney's backyard for another debate.

http://www.npr.org/2011/09/29/140924715/can-rick-perry-regain-his-momentum
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: mal jeux on October 05, 2011, 07:28:03 AM
http://youtu.be/1eF6vCv13bw

Check what hank have to say
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: ribbit on October 08, 2011, 09:04:26 PM
http://youtu.be/1eF6vCv13bw

Check what hank have to say

Ah read a next thread on de forum with man getting call "worse than saddam hussein".

When man advertise demself as a "straight talker" watch 4 hyperbole.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: asylumseeker on October 17, 2011, 09:03:26 AM
October 16, 2011

Big Cash Edge Powers Obama in Drive for ’12
By NICHOLAS CONFESSORE and GRIFF PALMER
The New York Times

President Obama is exploiting his early lead in campaign fund-raising to bankroll a sprawling grass-roots organization and information technology apparatus in critical general election battlegrounds. He is doing so even as the Republican candidates conserve cash and jockey for position in what could become a drawn-out nominating battle.

Since the beginning of the year, Mr. Obama and the Democratic National Committee, for which the president is helping raise money to finance his party’s grass-roots efforts, have spent close to $87 million in operating costs, according to a New York Times analysis of campaign finance reports filed with the Federal Election Commission. That amount is about as much as all the current Republican candidates together have raised so far in this campaign.

In recent months, that money has helped open campaign offices in at least 15 states. In contrast, the best-financed Republican candidates, Mitt Romney and Gov. Rick Perry of Texas, have physical presences in just a handful of early primary states like New Hampshire, South Carolina and Florida.

In just the last three months, according to the filings, the Obama campaign has spent more on payroll, more than $4 million, than several of the Republican candidates have raised.

The president is already paying staff employees in at least 38 states, including Wisconsin, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Ohio, New Mexico and North Carolina. His Chicago campaign headquarters hums with more than 200 paid aides.

And Mr. Obama has spent millions of dollars investing in social media and information technology, applying both savvy and brute technological force to raising small-dollar donations, firing up volunteers and building a technical infrastructure to sustain his re-election campaign for the next year.

The gap in spending underscores facts easily lost amid the president’s low approval ratings, his challenges in winning over independent voters and the gridlock he faces in Washington: Mr. Obama brings unmatched financial resources to the campaign trail, and a team with a well-honed sense of where and how to deploy money, people and technology.

“In the past three months, we’ve grown our organizing staff by 50 percent and opened up three new field offices every week,” Jim Messina, Mr. Obama’s campaign manager, wrote in an e-mail to supporters on Thursday. “Thousands of volunteers and organizers made 3 million phone calls and in-person visits to voters.”

Mr. Obama’s advantages are partly circumstantial: With no primary opponent, Mr. Obama, like other incumbent presidents before him, can begin preparing for a general election contest that is still more than a year away.

He can also raise large contributions for the Democratic National Committee — topping out at $30,800 per donor rather than the $5,000 limit on contributions to candidates — that are helping finance the party’s broader efforts to help Democrats up and down the ballot. During the last three months, the committee has already transferred funds totaling more than $1.3 million to Democratic organizations in all 50 states and the District of Columbia, according to the party’s filings.

Though the Republican National Committee has enjoyed strong fund-raising in recent months, it is also still paying down large debts incurred during the 2008 cycle. At the end of September, the committee was still $14.5 million in debt, according to campaign reports.

That gap explains, in part, why Republican-oriented independent groups like American Crossroads and Americans for Prosperity are devising plans to spend millions of dollars this year on social media and voter-identification efforts, with a major focus on helping the eventual Republican candidate win the White House.

Mr. Perry and Mr. Romney, as well as Mr. Obama, are also backed by “super PACs” founded by each candidate’s allies and former aides. Such groups can raise unlimited contributions and are required to disclose their expenditures much less frequently than the campaigns or party committees, creating some uncertainty in assessing how the fund-raising wars will ultimately aid one candidate or another.

Mr. Obama has used his growing field operation as a selling point with large donors in a fund-raising initiative called “Strong Start.” The program shares with supporters the campaign’s estimated costs for organizers, offices and campaign supplies in 12 states and regions, and invites them to underwrite the costs with a donation.

“We need to Start Strong now, we would like each N.F.C. member’s help to get this off the ground and take ownership of this quarter’s field offices,” Kevin Karlsgodt, Mr. Obama’s deputy finance chief of staff, wrote in an e-mail to top Democratic donors on the party’s national finance council early this month. “Get friends to chip in a week or two, and we’ll be there in no time.”

In just one example of the campaign’s financial clout, in the last three months, Mr. Obama has spent more than $2 million on online advertising and half a million dollars on computer equipment and software. His bill for Web hosting was $360,000, more cash than each of the Republican candidates Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum and Jon M. Huntsman Jr. had in their bank accounts at the end of the quarter.

The filings also reveal where the Republican candidates are investing some of their time and money. According to his campaign filings, Mr. Romney, who spent big in Iowa in 2008 but has suggested he would not compete aggressively in the state this year, has doubled his campaign staff there, to four from two. He has also spent about $160,000 in the state this year, including some direct mailings.

Mr. Perry, who entered the campaign midway through the third quarter, has spent about $58,000 in Iowa, though the state is regarded as an important proving ground for his candidacy.

Several of the Republican candidates are spending relatively heavily in New Hampshire, which traditionally hosts the country’s first primary. Excluding consulting costs, Mr. Huntsman has spent the largest amount, about $397,000, in the state, followed by Representative Ron Paul of Texas, who has spent about $278,000, and Mr. Romney, who has spent $184,000, according to an analysis of campaign filings.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: asylumseeker on November 01, 2011, 09:28:28 AM
Herman Cain was seen on CNN today digging a hole, a trench, and a grave. Which one will he end up in?
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: ribbit on November 01, 2011, 06:23:57 PM
amazing how cain have dis ting come back. recall de democratic primaries where opponents of obuma also get dey laundry aired in de press. is a good ting michelle have obuma under manners.

perry is a dunce and rubio get ketch as well. ha ha, dis is a real jokey bunch of candidates.

doh worry arttentionseeker, obuma have de next 4 years sewn up.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: kaliman2006 on November 08, 2011, 10:10:38 AM
This does not look good for the President; I am sure his advisors are seriously trying to perform some damage control as we speak. I am sure the President will respond as quickly as possible.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/checkpoint-washington/post/sarkozy-to-obama-netanyahu-is-a-liar/2011/11/08/gIQANvFd0M_blog.html?hpid=z3

Sarkozy to Obama: Netanyahu is a ‘liar’

By Jason Ukman

(Charles Dharapak — Associated Press) In diplomacy, as in politics, there are plenty of cases in which a world leader has been caught unaware on a “hot” microphone. There have been fewer, if any, in which that leader has been caught calling another an outright liar.
 
French President Nicolas Sarkozy takes the prize.
 
Sarkozy, in Cannes for the G-20 summit last week, believed he was speaking privately with President Obama when he reportedly described how frustrating he finds Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. But their microphones were on, and the conversation was picked up by reporters listening to a simultaneous translation.
 
“I cannot bear Netanyahu, he’s a liar,” Sarkozy told Obama, according to the Reuters news agency, whose reporter was among those who heard the gaffe.

“You're fed up with him, but I have to deal with him even more often than you,” Obama replied, according to a French interpreter.
 
The Associated Press, which also had a reporter present, said news outlets “did not initially report the [remarks] because they were deemed private under French media traditions.”
 
A French Web site, Arret sur images, published a report late Monday, and the news agencies — not to mention the rest of the French-speaking world — have joined in, traditions to the wayside.
 
It was unclear what prompted Sarkozy to lash out, but the French have made little secret of their frustration with Israel’s decision to expand large-scale settlements. At the United Nations in September, Sarkozy called for Palestinian-Israeli negotiations to begin within a month and for the General Assembly to set a one-year deadline for talks to yield an agreement between Israel and the Palestinians.

Last week, France voted to support membership for Palestine in UNESCO, despite U.S. pressure to the contrary.

The French president is hardly the first world leader to be overheard by reporters in private conversation, and international summits are notoriously unfortunate for them in that regard.

In 1997, then-Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien was speaking with other European leaders at a summit in Madrid when he began joking about then-president Bill Clinton, and U.S. politicians in general.

“In your country and my country all the [American] politicians would be in prison because they sell their votes,” he said, before laughing a bit.

“They sell their votes! ‘You want me to vote on NATO, then you have to vote to build me a new bridge in my constituency!' ”
 
A few days later, Chretien called Clinton and apologized.

Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: asylumseeker on November 09, 2011, 07:59:34 AM
Herman ... wow. It seems yuh going to deprive the American electorate of another historic presidential election ... That of two African-American candidates on the November ballot. Ah well ...
Title: Obama's personal assistant leaving job
Post by: weary1969 on November 10, 2011, 02:24:35 PM
..

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama's personal assistant is leaving the White House.

Reggie Love, the former Duke basketball player who has been a constant presence by Obama's side since the 2008 presidential campaign, will depart the White House by the end of the year.

Love has been managing his role at the White House while also enrolled in an executive MBA program at the Wharton School of Business at the University of Pennsylvania. A White House official said Love was leaving the administration so he could focus on school.

"His ability to juggle so many responsibilities with so little sleep has been an inspiration to watch," Obama said in a statement. "He is the master of what he does."

Love, 30, is the latest in a string of longtime Obama aides to leave the White House this year, including senior adviser David Axelrod, press secretary Robert Gibbs, deputy press secretary Bill Burton and deputy communications director Jen Psaki. All were part of Obama's team since at least since the 2008 race.

But it is Love who has had perhaps the most unique access to the president.

As Obama's personal assistant — a job that's also known as the president's "body man" — since the beginning of the administration, Love has been a near-constant presence by Obama's side, both at the White House and in travels around and outside the United States.

Love first started working for Obama in his Senate office, and was promoted to personal assistant during the presidential campaign.

His job requirements have included everything from carrying copies of the president's speeches, his iPod, and a steady supply of gum, newspapers and aspirin, to taking photos for audience members as they shook the president's hand. Wherever the president goes, Love has rarely been more than a few steps behind.

"I have an iReggie, who has my books, my newspapers, my music, all in one place," Obama said in an interview last year.

The president also credited Love for expanding his musical repertoire, introducing him to artists like Nas and Lil Wayne. Love has been a frequent teammate on the court for the sports-obsessed president. During the 2008 campaign, Obama and Love started a tradition of playing basketball on the day of every primary or caucus.

Love's departure was first reported by The Washington Post.
Title: Re: Obama's personal assistant leaving job
Post by: ribbit on November 10, 2011, 03:05:08 PM
attentionseeker, now's your chance!
Title: Re: Obama's personal assistant leaving job
Post by: asylumseeker on November 11, 2011, 03:47:03 AM
The truth is stranger than fiction. Very good work if you can get it.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: elan on December 02, 2011, 01:01:15 AM
Why Republicans Embrace Simpletons and How it Hurts America (http://news.yahoo.com/why-republicans-embrace-simpletons-hurts-america-192501947.html)
By James Marshall Crotty | Forbes – Wed, Nov 30


"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen, and philosophers and divines."
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson (Self-Reliance)

 

Since I report on American education, including the intellectual lassitude of American voters, foreign observers routinely ask me: Why Do Republicans Gleefully Embrace Idiots as Presidential Candidates?

The question naturally begs a larger question: How can a country, with the world’s highest national GDP, and absurdly complex systems regulating everything from credit default swaps to nuclear missile safety, possibly allow onto its national stage men and women of such transparently inferior intellect?

The easy answer is that there has always been a long, pathetic history of anti-intellectual paranoia in American politics, as Richard Hofstadter documented in his book Anti-Intellectualism in American Life (1963). It is like kudzu. You just can’t kill it. No matter how advanced the U.S. becomes in technology, biomedicine, and weaponry, it not only attracts, but promotes, under the rubric of equal opportunity, a confederacy of dunces as Presidential candidates.

To be fair, Democrats have had their share of dolts, including the tax-cheating, race-baiting, college dropout Reverend Al Sharpton (who gained fame not only because of his courageous civil rights protests, but because he claims to be “Keepin’ It Real”; read: not formally educated), as well as Democrat-turned-Dixiecrat Strom Thurmond (whose 1948 campaign slogan was “Segregation Forever”). Nevertheless, in 2011, the God-fearing Ossified Party has rolled out the greatest assortment of Know-Nothings in its history, most of whom share a singular misconception: because I can do one small thing well (e.g., run a pizza chain), I can handle the world’s most demanding job.

At first blush, one thinks this embrace of incompetence has something to do with the uniquely American idea that anyone from any background can become President. It’s an old saw told to almost every young person in the country. I believed it. I also believed that I would be an astronaut or a professional basketball player.

However, reason suggests, that when a clear-headed adult, with no experience in national politics, no reputable training in public policy  -- as opposed to a bastion of Christian zealotry like the former Oral Roberts School of Law, which Michelle Bachman attended -- and little understanding of countries outside U.S. borders, says that he or she is running for President, his or her reasonable adult compadres should rightly say, “You are suffering from delusions of grandeur.” After all, you need advanced degrees to properly practice medicine, law, and nuclear physics. Why would we expect the Leader of the Free World to have anything less than the precise qualifications for such an elevated job opening?

However, only in America is no training or knowledge required to perform a job that is not only more complicated and demanding than the above three fields, but one which regulates the above three occupations and all sorts of other complex and nuanced occupations around the globe (including undercover agents in foreign lands).

But that’s only the beginning. What's far more troubling is that you can attract a huge amount of support in this country precisely because you lack qualifications to be president. Such reasoning is, in effect, the raison d’etre of all so-called “outside-the-Beltway” campaigns of recent vintage. However, to fully grasp why inexperience, incompetence and outright stupidity has such an emotional hold on Republicans in particular, you have to understand a core principle of conservative  orthodoxy: intelligence equates with moral relativism.  Which is why, after twice-electing a genuine, but fatally corrupt, thinking person in Richard Nixon, the Republican Party moved away from its historically pragmatic moderation in search of morally doctrinaire ideologues. Naturally, this paved the way for conservative extremists, who, while short on smarts -- or perhaps because they were short on smarts -- stuck to “conservative principles” like maggots to rotting meat. As my late diehard conservative Republican mother told me when I asked how she could rabidly support  such an obvious dullard as George W. Bush, "Because I don't trust the smart ones."

Ronald Reagan became the first of many morally unambiguous dimwits to warm the cockles of conservative hearts. Yes, with this post-Nixon strategy, the dwindling GOP intellectual fringe (historically held up by William Buckley and barely maintained to this day by the likes of David Brooks and Peggy Noonan) has had to stomach an occasional faux pas (e.g., Reagan's simpleton predecessor, Gerald Ford, claiming in a 1976 presidential debate that “there is no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe”), or gasp-inducing ignorance of foreign policy basics (e.g., Sarah Palin not knowing that there is a North and South Korea, or her hysterical notion that Sputnik bankrupted the Soviet Union). But, at least they knew their standard-bearer was not going wishy-washy on them (i.e., thinking hard for a living).

This gambit worked so well with Reagan, it naturally attracted other knuckleheads. First came George Bush Sr.’s running mate, William Danforth Quayle, who promptly showed his latent stupidity by public misspelling potato as “potatoe” … in front of a sixth-grader.

 
Thereafter, Quayle was the butt of many excellent late night jokes, but he lacked the earnest believability of a Reagan to ever accede to the Oval Office (though he did have a fairly hot wife). It took two terms of an intelligent commander-in-chief, and another moral equivocator, former law professor Bill Clinton, for the Republicans to search again for an unequivocal moral crusader with not a whole lot going on upstairs.

Enter George W. Bush, who, like Reagan, also enjoyed two terms in office, despite beliefs in brazen poppycock such as Intelligent Design and in the whopper of all disastrous absurdities, that Saddam Hussein was not only marshalling weapons of mass destruction to directly attack the U.S. (no, he was bluffing to deter his real enemy, neighboring Iran), but that he was also behind 9/11 (never let a good crisis go to waste, eh Mr. Cheney?). Only a true rube could believe such specious nonsense. And G.W. Bush – who exemplified the adage, “Never ascribe to malice what can adequately be explained by stupidity” -- fit the bill. The Republican Party loved him for it, bending over backwards to sanitize and “Hannitize” his many blunders, while selling his disinformation to a gullible American public still in shock from the attacks of 9/11.

At last count, the Iraq Detour has cost this nation trillions of dollars (with more trillions to come, as this country keeps its commitment to care for wounded and mentally shell-shocked Iraq War veterans and their loved ones). It also cost the lives of 125,000 Iraqi civilians, and many times more than that who’ve been wounded or displaced by the Iraqi misadventure.  All because of a lie and Americans’ willingness to either believe that lie or not forthrightly contest it. That, ladies and gentlemen, is the empirical cost of stupidity.

After the costly policy blunders of Bush, Jr. -- for which this country is still paying dearly in lower credit ratings and draconian cuts in funding for parks, libraries, law enforcement, and more -- in came yet another Democratic law professor to clean up yet another Republican mess. Except this Democrat, Barack Obama, did not carry the moral and ethical baggage of his Democratic predecessor.

However, for reasons both racial and political, though primarily intellectual (President Obama is too cosmopolitan, too wordly, too nuanced, too calm, too Europe-friendly), Republicans have aggressively sought to cut Obama’s tenure short. Unfortunately, this time around they lack a bona fide, morally unequivocal, conservative with enough general election appeal to take Obama on. Each hopeful successor to the Republican Dumbass Throne (the coveted RDT) has proven so cartoonishly dopey as to offend even the intelligence of diehard Iowa primary voters, easily the most unbending conservatives in the U.S.

Things are now so bad on the dumbass front that, in a poll announced yesterday, Iowans are no longer interested in the current crop of Republican cretins. This includes Texas Governor Rick “Oops” Perry, who, in a colossal boneheaded moment in a live nationally televised debate, could not remember the third federal agency he would cut as president.

 
In an empirical validation of the anti-intellectual streak in GOP Politics, Perry then went on national talk shows the following morning to defend his stupidity as a reason to vote for him. On CNN’s “American Morning,” Perry said, "We've got a debater-in-chief right now, and you gotta ask yourself: 'How's that working out for America?'" In other words, being a good debater, and knowing the issues, is bad for America. This list also includes Michelle “Pray the Gay Away” Bachman, who believes that “Founding Fathers” like John Quincy Adams “worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the United States” (except J. Q. Adams died in 1848, long before “slavery was no more”). Even though the self-righteous Bachman is a native of Waterloo, Iowa, voters in her home state just cannot see trusting her with the codes to the U.S. nuclear arsenal (trusting a Creationist like Bachman on any public policy would be like trusting a phrenologist with curing your cancer).

And, yes, this also includes the endlessly entertaining Herman “I’m Not Supposed to Know Anything About Foreign Policy” Cain, whose inability to construct a coherent sentence on Libya and stated desire to prevent an already nuclear-armed China from “going nuclear” are now part of national dumbass folklore.

 
And lets not forget the deeply annoying Rick "Sanctum" Santorum, who said publicly that former P.O.W. John McCain “didn’t understand advanced interrogation techniques.” A Republican dumbass hallmark: arrogance wed to ignorance.

As a result of such transparently dumb stooges, Iowa Republicans, and conservatives in general, are actually settling on a bona fide shyster in the Richard Nixon mold: the pudgy, pompous, nastiness known as Newt Gingrich. As I made clear in my previous column, Darth Gingrich Vs. the Romney Ken Doll, the Republican nomination is now a race between Gingrich and Romney, which, once all the baggage of the corrupt former Speaker is laid out for all to see, could tilt to the nomination back to the Massachusetts Mormon, where’s it’s been for most of this Republican election cycle.

Now, you might ask, why aren’t Republicans in love with Romney? After all, he’s been a successful businessman in the Republican mold, essentially downsizing companies to their bare essentials and then reselling them for profit. He has that vague, detached, tall Ken Doll vibe that Republicans idealized in Reagan. In addition, as a devout Mormon, he’s squeaky clean in the morals department. Dude doesn’t drink, smoke, do drugs, or drink hot caffeinated beverages. He’s more straight edge than the Crotty, and that’s saying something.

Unfortunately, Romney, a Harvard graduate (and not a faux one like G.W. Bush), is just not seen as dumb enough. Though he and his Mormon faithful believe in preposterous canards (e.g., that Jesus Came to America), Romney consistently demonstrates a frustrating lack of imbecility, particularly in the the artful compromises he’s engineered over his political career, including his momentous achievement of passing mandatory health insurance in his adopted home state of Massachusetts. This subtlety of purpose, this nuance, is anathema to politically and morally unambiguous conservatives, who see the world in great big Murdoch-style tabloid dualism.

Which makes their sudden embrace of Mr. Gingrich so hilarious. Because, even more than Romney, it is Gingrich who has demonstrated enormous flexibility in his core conservative principles. He voted for NAFTA and the WTO; loan guarantees for China; most favored nation status for China; $1.2 billion in aid to the United Nations; and the creation of the Department of Education. Moreover, he reached across the aisle to make deals with Democrat Bill Clinton on welfare reform and a balanced budget, while achieving a compromise on global warming with Nanci Pelosi (which he has since pathetically renounced in an attempt to appeal to the Hannity-Bennett blockhead wing of the GOP). Recently, he attacked Paul Ryan’s budget plan as “right-wing social engineering” (before backing off that claim as well).

What Gingrich proves is not his electability, but, rather, the disastrous absurdity of the Conservative fealty test. Like other fealty tests in American history (from Truman’s Executive Order 9835, a.k.a. the “Loyalty Order,” to Grover Norquist’s Taxpayer Protection Pledge, right up to Herman Cain’s Muslim Loyalty Test), it is bound to end badly for the candidate, the party, and the country, which is governed best when the commander-in-chief is given enormous flexibility to do the practical, diplomatic, and, thus, smart, thing, not the ideologically pure one.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: lefty on December 02, 2011, 06:33:38 AM
dat ting long but highly entertaining............who eh know republicanism is akin to stupidity, d only smart people in dat lot are d rich ones dat benefit from the "pro rich people" ah mean pro business ::) republican policies ................ent Daft ;D
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Cantona007 on December 02, 2011, 08:16:26 AM
Why Republicans Embrace Simpletons and How it Hurts America (http://news.yahoo.com/why-republicans-embrace-simpletons-hurts-america-192501947.html)
By James Marshall Crotty | Forbes – Wed, Nov 30

<snip>


Excellent. My favourite was the line about "arrogance wed to ignorance"

I recommend two books:
Idiot America by Charles Pierce
The Great Derangement by Matt Taibi
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: ribbit on December 02, 2011, 11:27:02 AM
Why Republicans Embrace Simpletons and How it Hurts America (http://news.yahoo.com/why-republicans-embrace-simpletons-hurts-america-192501947.html)
By James Marshall Crotty | Forbes – Wed, Nov 30

eh, but de writer so busy beating on de republicans, he miss out de bigger point. just what are the qualifications of the so-called Leader of the Free World? de truth is that the so-called Leader of the Free World have to be able raise money for de campaign and turn out their base. like de current prez who pick up right where his much reviled predecessor left off and didn't really change direction much. no real change in policy, just optics. obuma validate de bush years dat is de sad fact of de matter. all dis talk about how weak de field is missing de forest for de trees.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Daft Trini on December 02, 2011, 11:35:03 AM
The writer obviously has never watched the open floor remarks of the House and Senate.

Lefty my motto dese days is put yuh vote whey yuh money have growth. Yuh see obama sweating in Under Armor shoes dese days. he ditch nike...  (I still dislike progressives and liberals) I wish I did not have a dislike for the UNC so much, because I could have make a mint with them idiots.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: lefty on December 02, 2011, 11:44:09 AM
The writer obviously has never watched the open floor remarks of the House and Senate.

Lefty my motto dese days is put yuh vote whey yuh money have growth. Yuh see obama sweating in Under Armor shoes dese days. he ditch nike...  (I still dislike progressives and liberals) I wish I did not have a dislike for the UNC so much, because I could have make a mint with them idiots.


I hear yuh brother  ;D cool scene :beermug:
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Bourbon on December 02, 2011, 01:57:20 PM
On the other hand...we candidates bright...dey more dan bright.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Daft Trini on December 03, 2011, 01:47:22 PM
Black Man's Kryptonite got the best of Cain...
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Jumbie on December 03, 2011, 05:13:14 PM
Black Man's Kryptonite got the best of Cain...

:rotfl:  :rotfl:   :rotfl:  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: lefty on December 03, 2011, 06:12:48 PM
Black Man's Kryptonite got the best of Cain...

um one of those women looked liked that  ???  (http://www.turdfergusonblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/oy9a.jpg) or that (http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lg0no61e1t1qeg2rmo1_400.jpg) ??? .......... or maybe this (http://www.mileanhour.com/files/2010/12/whooty.jpg) ??? .......... ah doh know ah jus askin based on d definition of BMK ;D
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: just cool on December 04, 2011, 04:53:06 PM
Black Man's Kryptonite got the best of Cain...
How come it didn't get the best of Obama?
Title: Mc Cain endorses Obama at Romney meeting...lol
Post by: truetrini on January 06, 2012, 10:27:39 AM
Yesterday, at a Mitt Romney campaign event in South Carolina, McCain said:

“I am confident, with the leadership and the backing of the American people, President Obama will turn this country around.” (see video here)

http://www.examiner.com/charleston-democrat-in-charleston-sc/john-mccain-hails-president-obama-video
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: asylumseeker on January 16, 2012, 07:56:11 PM
...
Pay attention to the fortunes of Jon Huntsman. As the wind blows on that end, Romney might implode.

I thought I would follow-up on the comment above given the departure of Huntsman. The article below highlights elements of the inter-connectivity between Huntsman and Romney and the inverse relationship I thought could expose one at the expense of the other.

I think it's fair to say that the American electorate is/was more familiar with Romney given his longstanding bid to be PoTUS. However, his money has not offset his perceived liabilities. Arguably, another candidate, more amenable and appealing to the American public, with similarly deep pockets would have distanced himself much more concretely than 25% share of the voter market in the Republican/independent early season.

January 15, 2012, 9:18 pm
Huntsman Says He’s Quitting G.O.P. Race
By JIM RUTENBERG AND JEFF ZELENY

CHARLESTON, S.C. — Jon M. Huntsman Jr. will announce Monday that he is ending his bid for the Republican presidential nomination and endorsing Mitt Romney, narrowing the field and erasing a challenge to Mr. Romney from the moderate wing of his party.

Mr. Huntsman, who had hoped to use the South Carolina primary this week to revive his flagging candidacy, informed his advisers on Sunday that he was bowing to political reality and would back Mr. Romney, whom he accused a week ago of putting party ahead of country.

Mr. Huntsman, who had struggled to live up to the early expectations of his candidacy, was to deliver a speech Monday morning in Myrtle Beach, where the five remaining major Republican candidates will gather hours later for a debate. His endorsement of Mr. Romney is indication of the party establishment getting behind Mr. Romney and trying to focus the party on defeating President Obama.

“The governor and his family, at this point in the race, decided it was time for Republicans to rally around a candidate who could beat Barack Obama and turn around the economy,” Matt David, Mr. Huntsman’s campaign manager, said in an interview Sunday evening. “That candidate is Gov. Mitt Romney.”

But Mr. Huntsman’s decision was unlikely to have any particular influence where Mr. Romney needs it most, among social and religious conservatives who remain wary of Mr. Romney’s ideological inconsistency. With the withdrawal of Mr. Huntsman, who despite his efforts to portray himself as more conservative than Mr. Romney was often viewed as the moderate in the race, the South Carolina primary is now Mr. Romney against an array of opponents coming at him from the right.

Mr. Romney faces challenges from Rick Santorum, the former senator from Pennsylvania, and Newt Gingrich, the former House speaker. Also on the ballot in South Carolina are Gov. Rick Perry of Texas, who has shown few signs of attracting a following here, and Ron Paul, the libertarian-leaning congressman from Texas.

Both Mr. Santorum and Mr. Gingrich are hoping for strong enough showings here to go on as the main alternatives to Mr. Romney. After months in which social conservatives have been fractured, Mr. Santorum is trying to energize his candidacy in the wake of a vote by evangelical leaders over the weekend to back him.

It was a disappointing finale to the high-flying presidential aspirations of Mr. Huntsman.

A third-place finish in the New Hampshire primary last week failed to jump-start his candidacy, aides said, and his campaign limped into South Carolina with little money. Mr. Huntsman had spent days pondering his future in the race, and aides said he told them on Sunday that he was unlikely to topple Mr. Romney or match the momentum of his Republican rivals in the conservative Southern primary.

Mr. Huntsman and Mr. Romney had been competing for similarly moderate voters, and aides said he had come to the realization that he had little chance to win and that the votes he would receive would come from Mr. Romney’s potential voter pool.

To the extent that Mr. Huntsman had the support of those moderate Republican voters, his departure from race removes any competition for that segment of the party’s electorate, giving Mr. Romney breathing room to focus even more on persuading evangelical voters who have been cooler to his candidacy that he is the more electable candidate in November.

Yet late Sunday evening, a spokesman for Mr. Gingrich sought to portray the decision by Mr. Huntsman as a boon to him, saying in a statement, “We are one step closer to a bold Reagan conservative winning the G.O.P. nomination.”

The decision from Mr. Huntsman came on the same day that he received the endorsement from The State, the newspaper in the capital, Columbia. He had campaigned in South Carolina over the weekend, not giving any indication that the end was near.

While Mr. Romney and Mr. Huntsman were both here in Charleston, aides said the two men had not spoken Sunday evening. When approached at a downtown restaurant here, a table of senior advisers to Mr. Romney declined to discuss the endorsement.

“No comment,” said Eric Fernstrom, an aide. “”But the bread pudding is outstanding.” On Monday morning, Mr. Romney and Mr. Huntsman were scheduled to speak.

Mr. Huntsman first signaled his presidential ambitions here in South Carolina in May, days after returning from Beijing, where he had been the United States ambassador to China. He surrounded himself with a roster of veteran advisers who positioned Mr. Huntsman as a new brand of Republican.

He formally announced his candidacy in June, in the shadow of the Statue of Liberty, calling for a more civil kind of presidential campaign and promising a better future than the one that Mr. Obama would provide.

“He and I have a difference of opinion on how to help a country we both love,” Mr. Huntsman said of Mr. Obama. “But the question each of us wants the voters to answer is who will be the better president, not who’s the better American.”

But the campaign of “civility, humanity and respect” that Mr. Huntsman promised quickly faded into the background as his Republican rivals seized the attention — and the support — of a party faithful that seemed more interested in red-meat politics.

Voters also seemed wary of a candidacy by a person whose most recent service was to the very man he now wanted to oust. Fawning letters that Mr. Huntsman wrote about Mr. Obama’s leadership did not help that case.

For months, Mr. Huntsman languished near the bottom in the national polls and eventually gave up on competing in Iowa. He moved his campaign headquarters to Florida, betting that he could wait until that primary to make his move.

But as the first contests got closer, Mr. Huntsman made the decision to move his campaign to New Hampshire, where he hoped that the presence of independent voters would help his chances. Mr. Huntsman did better in New Hampshire than polls might have suggested, but he came in a distant third behind Mr. Romney and Mr. Paul.

But Mr. Obama’s top advisers seemed to see the danger in Mr. Huntsman’s candidacy, signaling in 2009 that they thought he might be a strong contender.

Michael D. Shear contributed reporting from Washington.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/15/huntsman-says-hes-quitting-g-o-p-race/
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: asylumseeker on January 16, 2012, 08:13:52 PM
...

This election presently rides on domestic policy formulation and that's unlikely to change on present course. Even with the nullification of Osama bin Laden, the removal of Moammar Qaddafi, the realignment of Afghan and Pakistani issues, and "front page minimization" of Iranian and North-Korean centered issues, the administration has not been able to claim more than a Pyrrhic victory.

North Korea? We know the 411 on that given the new face in Pyongyang. Iran? Less front-page minimization since September.

Updated to the online NYT just a few minutes ago:

January 16, 2012
Iran Face-Off Testing Obama the Candidate
By MARK LANDLER

WASHINGTON — The escalating American confrontation with Iran poses a major new political threat to President Obama as he heads into his campaign for re-election, presenting him with choices that could harm either the economic recovery or his image as a firm leader.

Sanctions against Iran’s oil exports that the president signed into law on New Year’s Eve started a fateful clock ticking. In late June, when the campaign is in full swing, Mr. Obama will have to decide whether to take action against countries, including some staunch allies, if they continue to buy Iranian oil through its central bank.

After fierce lobbying by the White House, which opposed this hardening in the sanctions that have been its main tool in pressuring Tehran, Congress agreed to modify the legislation to give Mr. Obama leeway to delay action if he concludes the clampdown would disrupt the oil market. He may also invoke a waiver to exempt any country from sanctions based on national security considerations.

But using either of those escape hatches could open the president to charges that he is weak on Iran, which is viewed by Western powers as determined to achieve a nuclear weapons capability and which has drawn a tough response from Europe as well.

Republican candidates, led by Mitt Romney, have threatened to use military action to prevent Tehran from building a bomb, and have criticized Mr. Obama for not doing enough to stop it from joining the nuclear club.

“If we re-elect Barack Obama, Iran will have a nuclear weapon,” Mr. Romney declared in South Carolina in November. “And if we elect Mitt Romney, they will not have a nuclear weapon.”

Few inside the administration see a surefire way of preventing Iran from crossing the nuclear weapons threshold, though none are ready to discuss moving to a focus on containing a nuclear Iran.


The administration is deeply reluctant to use military action, and the United States strenuously denied involvement in the recent killing of an Iranian nuclear scientist. Instead, it has focused mainly on using economic pressure to make Iran pay a high price for expanding its nuclear efforts despite international sanctions.

“To appear to back off, when the Iranians are proceeding pell-mell with their nuclear program, would be very difficult for the administration, particularly in an election year,” said Stuart E. Eizenstat, a former senior official at the Treasury and State Departments who helped draft sanctions against Iran during the Clinton administration.

“On the other hand,” he said, “sanctions could harm the economy and his re-election chances. It is an excruciatingly difficult set of choices, and one he will face sooner rather than later.”

Senator Mark Steven Kirk, an Illinois Republican who sponsored the sanctions bill, along with Senator Robert Menendez, Democrat of New Jersey, added another variable to the president’s difficult calculus, arguing that sanctions may be the only thing that dissuades Israel from mounting a pre-emptive military strike on Iran’s nuclear installations.

“The first waiver would trigger a whole lot of other waiver applications, potentially gutting the policy,” he said. “The more you gut the policy, the more likely you make military action by Israel. The pro-Israel community would not want a gutting of the sanctions.”

The administration says that it plans to put the sanctions in effect rigorously, and that the modifications it negotiated with Congress will allow Mr. Obama to do so without rattling the oil market. The European Union is expected to impose its own sanctions on Iran’s oil exports next week, making it easier for the United States to carry out its measures.

Administration officials point to some encouraging signs: major importers of Iranian oil, like Japan and South Korea, are searching for alternative suppliers. And Iran’s currency, the rial, has plummeted since the sanctions were signed, raising pressure on the government.

Referring to the tense negotiations with Congress, a senior Treasury official said, “It was a question of tactics and timing, not the target.”

With his ending of the Iraq war and the killings of Osama bin Laden and other leaders of Al Qaeda, Mr. Obama has projected an air of competence on national security, and he is arguably less vulnerable in that field than previous Democratic presidents.

But trying to influence the world’s oil market is a different kind of challenge, experts say. Already, Iran’s leaders are maneuvering to drive up oil prices, whether to signal that sanctions could bring repercussions, or to mitigate the effects of reduced sales. Iran’s threat to shut off the Strait of Hormuz, through which a fifth of the world’s oil passes, sent prices soaring this month.

“Oil has to be replaced with more oil,” said Daniel Yergin, an oil expert who has written a book, “The Quest,” about energy security. Cutting off one of the world’s leading oil exporters without squeezing the overall flow of oil is an extremely complex undertaking, he said. “I’m hard pressed to think of a precedent for this,” he added.

Then, too, there is the fragile state of the economy, even with recent signs of life in the job market. An oil crisis is one of those shocks, like a collapse of the euro, that could derail the recovery. Fears about rising oil prices led the White House to oppose efforts on Capitol Hill to impose draconian sanctions against Iran’s central bank.

Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner, in a letter last month to the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, Carl Levin, Democrat of Michigan, said a total crackdown on the central bank could undermine the administration’s “carefully phased” approach and “yield a net economic benefit to the Iranian regime.”

But the administration found itself dealing with a rare bipartisan show of resolve. The sanctions passed the Senate by a unanimous vote, almost unheard of in today’s contentious atmosphere. The bill was attached to a crucial $662 billion military spending bill.

Under the terms of the legislation, Mr. Obama must, within 180 days, cut off access to the United States to any public or private financial institution that buys oil through the Central Bank of Iran. The goal is, effectively, to shut down the central bank, depriving the Iranian government of financing for its nuclear activities.

Mr. Obama retains two important levers: he can delay sanctions if he determines there is not enough oil in the market, and he can exempt any country that has “significantly reduced its volume of crude oil purchases from Iran.” Administration officials, seeking to preserve flexibility, said they would not quantify “significant.”

An early test of the administration’s approach will come at the end of February, when the law mandates that it cut off private financial institutions that conduct non-oil transactions with Iran’s central bank, except for the sale of food, medicine and medical devices.

Senator Kirk said carrying out the oil sanctions might be less complicated than it appeared, with Saudi Arabia pledging to step up production and with Libya and Iraq both bringing production back online. But the administration’s opposition to the original draft of his legislation, he said, belied the president’s threats to the Iranian government.

“It’s been a strange political journey for the president because he said he was tough on Iran,” Mr. Kirk said.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Daft Trini on January 27, 2012, 11:51:03 AM
Roll like barry

Ebay link:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/President-BARACK-OBAMAS-car-NOW-TITLE-SCAN-2005-Chrysler-300C-HEMI-V8-/120849425946?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&

http://money.cnn.com/2012/01/26/autos/barack-obama-chrysler-300c/index.htm?source=cnn_bin

PETER DRIVES
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Obama's Chrysler 300 on sale for $1 million
By Peter Valdes-Dapena @PeterDrives January 26, 2012: 3:50 PM ET

The current owners of a Chrysler 300C once leased by President Barack Obama -- then Senator Obama -- is asking $1 million for the car.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- A Chrysler 300C once leased by President Barack Obama is for sale on eBay with the eye-popping "opening bid" of $1 million.
The opening bid, which is dictated by the seller, means that bidding for the car must start at that price.
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The woman who posted the car on eBay Motors, Lisa Czibor, said she has received some criticism for the high asking price but that the current owner of the car fully expects to get that amount.
Czibor said in a phone interview with CNNMoney that she is listing the car for someone else but looks forward to getting a commission on the sale. She describes herself as a "life-long Ronald Reagan old-school conservative."
"It's all about the money for me," she said
Million-dollar cars from Scottsdale Auctions
She's unlikely to get anything like a million dollars, said Craig Jackson, president of the Barrett-Jackson auto auction company.
"Maybe this car would be worth $50,000 to $100,000."
The hearse which carried the body of John F. Kennedy following his 1963 assassination in Dallas recently sold at a Barrett-Jackson auction for $160,000.
Jackson's company has sold several presidential cars and none have ever brought anything approaching that kind of money, he said.

It might help if the car, itself, were innately rare or valuable, but it's not. The car is a stock late-model Chrysler very similar to many thousands of others that are still on the road. With no presidential connection, it would be worth about $20,000 as a used car.
Also, history has yet to render a verdict on Obama's presidency.
A presidential parade limousine used by Franklin Roosevelt, a Cadillac V-16 convertible, was recently auctioned off at an RM Auctions sale in Arizona for $270,000.
The eBay listing provides a few examples of other cars that have sold for surprising amounts, though. A Peugeot once owned by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad sold for £1.5 million pounds -- roughly $2.4 million.
She also mentions a 1999 Volkswagen Golf once owned by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger -- now known as Pope Benedict XVI -- which sold for $244,000.
Czibor provided CNNMoney with a scanned copy of an Illinois Certificate of Title showing Barack Obama as the lessee. The car currently has 20,800 miles on it.
She would not say how the car came into the current owner's possession.
A spokesperson for the White House did not immediately comment on the eBay listing.
Obama was a U.S. Senator representing Illinois during the time he owned the car. After driving the Chrysler sedan for over 19,000 miles Obama traded it for a 2007 Ford Escape Hybrid in the summer of 2007 as he was beginning his presidential campaign.
The Chrysler gets about 18 miles per gallon in combined city and highway driving, according to EPA estimates, while the Escape Hybrid gets about 30.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Bakes on January 27, 2012, 12:32:51 PM
U.S. Economy Grew by 2.8 Percent in the last Quarter (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/28/business/economy/us-economy-grows-at-modest-2-8-percent-rate.html?hp)...

Added to:

Ford's announcement of a third straight annual profit (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/28/business/fords-posts-third-straight-annual-profit.html?ref=business)

GM is once more the world's number one auto maker (http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/gm-once-again-top-selling-automaker/2012/01/19/gIQAp3b1BQ_story.html) by volume of sales

And Unemployment falling to 8.5% (http://www.cnbc.com/id/45898349/Unemployment_Falls_to_8_5_200_000_New_Jobs_Created)...

Obama is gaining significant Economic momentum to shore off any challenge from Romney, who has nothing but his business acumen to offer.

Added to all of this are the gains in foreign policy, namely the withdrawal of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan,  assassination of Al Aklawi and Bin Laden... signs are pointing to an Obama rout.  Still very early to tell though, obviously.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Dutty on January 27, 2012, 12:39:46 PM
ah tink allyuh fellahs better start practicing the words --President Colbert
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Daft Trini on January 27, 2012, 12:46:52 PM
the only economically viable way for the US to go, it's not going to be pretty in the US and that's why I'm fully invested in Risk Management... China saw a loss of 108 billion in the last quarter and is fearing a housing bubble burst. Economist at the Tsinghua University, are pressuring the Chinese Central Government to cash in on their debts from the US. The The Kuomintang of China also is looking towards a secretive unification with the motherland. The combination of those two economies will dominate the world. let's see what happens  ;)

http://www.economist.com/node/21543160

Emerging-market multinationals
The rise of state capitalism
The spread of a new sort of business in the emerging world will cause increasing problems
Jan 21st 2012 | from the print edition


OVER the past 15 years striking corporate headquarters have transformed the great cities of the emerging world. China Central Television’s building resembles a giant alien marching across Beijing’s skyline; the 88-storey Petronas Towers, home to Malaysia’s oil company, soar above Kuala Lumpur; the gleaming office of VTB, a banking powerhouse, sits at the heart of Moscow’s new financial district. These are all monuments to the rise of a new kind of hybrid corporation, backed by the state but behaving like a private-sector multinational.

State-directed capitalism is not a new idea: witness the East India Company. But as our special report this week points out, it has undergone a dramatic revival. In the 1990s most state-owned companies were little more than government departments in emerging markets; the assumption was that, as the economy matured, the government would close or privatise them. Yet they show no signs of relinquishing the commanding heights, whether in major industries (the world’s ten biggest oil-and-gas firms, measured by reserves, are all state-owned) or major markets (state-backed companies account for 80% of the value of China’s stockmarket and 62% of Russia’s). And they are on the offensive. Look at almost any new industry and a giant is emerging: China Mobile, for example, has 600m customers. State-backed firms accounted for a third of the emerging world’s foreign direct investment in 2003-10.

In this section
»The rise of state capitalism
Salve Italia
The politics of plutocracy
Not quite too late
Light and wrong
Reprints
Related topics
South Africa
Globalisation
Economics
Privatisation and nationalisation
China
With the West in a funk and emerging markets flourishing, the Chinese no longer see state-directed firms as a way-station on the road to liberal capitalism; rather, they see it as a sustainable model. They think they have redesigned capitalism to make it work better, and a growing number of emerging-world leaders agree with them. The Brazilian government, which embraced privatisation in the 1990s, is now interfering with the likes of Vale and Petrobras, and compelling smaller companies to merge to form national champions. South Africa is also flirting with the model.

This development raises two questions. How successful is the model? And what are its consequences—both in, and beyond, emerging markets?

The law of diminishing returns

State capitalism’s supporters argue that it can provide stability as well as growth. Russia’s wild privatisation under Boris Yeltsin in the 1990s alarmed many emerging countries and encouraged the view that governments can mitigate the strains that capitalism and globalisation cause by providing not just the hard infrastructure of roads and bridges but also the soft infrastructure of flagship corporations.

So Lee Kuan Yew’s government in Singapore, an early exponent of this idea, let in foreign firms and embraced Western management ideas, but also owned chunks of companies. The leading practitioner is now China. The tight connection between its government and business will no doubt be on display when the global elite gathers in the Swiss resort of Davos next week. Among Westerners there, government delegates often take the opposite view to those from the private sector: Chinese delegates from both sides tend to have the same point of view, and even the same patriotic talking-points.

The new model bears little resemblance to the disastrous spate of nationalisations in Britain and elsewhere half a century ago. China’s infrastructure companies win contracts the world over. The best national champions are outward-looking, acquiring skills by listing on foreign exchanges and taking over foreign companies. And governments are selective in their corporate holdings. Overall, the Chinese state has loosened its grip on the economy: its bureaucrats concentrate on industries where they can make a difference.

Let a thousand mobiles bloom

Yet a close look at the model shows its weaknesses. When the government favours one lot of companies, the others suffer. In 2009 China Mobile and another state giant, China National Petroleum Corporation, made profits of $33 billion—more than China’s 500 most profitable private companies combined. State giants soak up capital and talent that might have been used better by private companies. Studies show that state companies use capital less efficiently than private ones, and grow more slowly. In many countries the coddled state giants are pouring money into fancy towers at a time when entrepreneurs are struggling to raise capital.

Those costs are likely to rise. State companies are good at copying others, partly because they can use the government’s clout to get hold of their technology; but as they have to produce ideas of their own they will become less competitive. State-owned companies make a few big bets rather than lots of small ones; the world’s great centres of innovation are usually networks of small start-ups.

Nor does the model guarantee stability. State capitalism works well only when directed by a competent state. Many Asian countries have a strong mandarin culture; South Africa and Brazil do not. Coal India is hardly an advertisement for efficiency (see article). And everywhere state capitalism favours well-connected insiders over innovative outsiders. In China highly educated princelings have taken the spoils. In Russia a clique of “bureaugarchs”, often former KGB officials, dominate both the Kremlin and business. Thus the model produces cronyism, inequality and eventually discontent—as the Mubaraks’ brand of state capitalism did in Egypt.

Rising powers have always used the state to kick-start growth: think of Japan and South Korea in the 1950s or Germany in the 1870s or even the United States after the war of independence. But these countries have, over time, invariably found that the system has limits. The Chinese of all people should understand that the best way to learn from history is to look at its long sweep.

But it may take many years for the model’s weaknesses to become obvious; and, in the meantime, it is likely to cause all sorts of problems. Investors in emerging markets, for instance, need to watch out. Some may be taking a punt on governments as much as companies. State-capitalist governments can be capricious, with scant regard for minority shareholders. Others may find their subsidiaries or joint ventures in emerging markets pitted against state-backed favourites.

Another concern is the impact of the model on the global trading system—which, at a time when the likely Republican nominee for president wants to declare China a currency manipulator on his first day of office, is already at risk. Ensuring that trade is fair is harder when some companies enjoy the support, overt or covert, of a national government. Western politicians are beginning to lose patience with state-capitalist powers that rig the system in favour of their own companies.

For emerging countries wanting to make their mark on the world, state capitalism has an obvious appeal. It gives them the clout that private-sector companies would take years to build. But its dangers outweigh its advantages. Both for their own sake, and in the interests of world trade, the practitioners of state capitalism need to start unwinding their huge holdings in favoured companies and handing them over to private investors. If these companies are as good as they boast they are, then they no longer need the crutch of state support.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Brownsugar on January 27, 2012, 02:47:50 PM
uuuuuuummmm what is the story with Ron Paul??  He always trying but cyar get nominated.....what is he story??
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Bakes on January 27, 2012, 03:32:44 PM
uuuuuuummmm what is the story with Ron Paul??  He always trying but cyar get nominated.....what is he story??
Same story with Cain, Bachman, Huntsmann, Perry, Santorum (soon enough) et al.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Brownsugar on January 27, 2012, 03:44:58 PM
uuuuuuummmm what is the story with Ron Paul??  He always trying but cyar get nominated.....what is he story??
Same story with Cain, Bachman, Huntsmann, Perry, Santorum (soon enough) et al.

He crazy??  I thought Independents and some Democrats like him but he just doh go anywhere cuz Republicans doh like him....he too "liberal" for them..... :-\
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Dutty on January 27, 2012, 03:47:07 PM
uuuuuuummmm what is the story with Ron Paul??  He always trying but cyar get nominated.....what is he story??
Same story with Cain, Bachman, Huntsmann, Perry, Santorum (soon enough) et al.

He crazy??  I thought Independents and some Democrats like him but he just doh go anywhere cuz Republicans doh like him....he too "liberal" for them..... :-\

Is de look!! yuh know dem yankee does like dey leaders to appear full of vim and vigor

Paul does remind dem of de old pedophile on 'Family Guy'
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Controversial on January 27, 2012, 03:59:41 PM
the only economically viable way for the US to go, it's not going to be pretty in the US and that's why I'm fully invested in Risk Management... China saw a loss of 108 billion in the last quarter and is fearing a housing bubble burst. Economist at the Tsinghua University, are pressuring the Chinese Central Government to cash in on their debts from the US. The The Kuomintang of China also is looking towards a secretive unification with the motherland. The combination of those two economies will dominate the world. let's see what happens  ;)

http://www.economist.com/node/21543160

Emerging-market multinationals
The rise of state capitalism
The spread of a new sort of business in the emerging world will cause increasing problems
Jan 21st 2012 | from the print edition


OVER the past 15 years striking corporate headquarters have transformed the great cities of the emerging world. China Central Television’s building resembles a giant alien marching across Beijing’s skyline; the 88-storey Petronas Towers, home to Malaysia’s oil company, soar above Kuala Lumpur; the gleaming office of VTB, a banking powerhouse, sits at the heart of Moscow’s new financial district. These are all monuments to the rise of a new kind of hybrid corporation, backed by the state but behaving like a private-sector multinational.

State-directed capitalism is not a new idea: witness the East India Company. But as our special report this week points out, it has undergone a dramatic revival. In the 1990s most state-owned companies were little more than government departments in emerging markets; the assumption was that, as the economy matured, the government would close or privatise them. Yet they show no signs of relinquishing the commanding heights, whether in major industries (the world’s ten biggest oil-and-gas firms, measured by reserves, are all state-owned) or major markets (state-backed companies account for 80% of the value of China’s stockmarket and 62% of Russia’s). And they are on the offensive. Look at almost any new industry and a giant is emerging: China Mobile, for example, has 600m customers. State-backed firms accounted for a third of the emerging world’s foreign direct investment in 2003-10.

In this section
»The rise of state capitalism
Salve Italia
The politics of plutocracy
Not quite too late
Light and wrong
Reprints
Related topics
South Africa
Globalisation
Economics
Privatisation and nationalisation
China
With the West in a funk and emerging markets flourishing, the Chinese no longer see state-directed firms as a way-station on the road to liberal capitalism; rather, they see it as a sustainable model. They think they have redesigned capitalism to make it work better, and a growing number of emerging-world leaders agree with them. The Brazilian government, which embraced privatisation in the 1990s, is now interfering with the likes of Vale and Petrobras, and compelling smaller companies to merge to form national champions. South Africa is also flirting with the model.

This development raises two questions. How successful is the model? And what are its consequences—both in, and beyond, emerging markets?

The law of diminishing returns

State capitalism’s supporters argue that it can provide stability as well as growth. Russia’s wild privatisation under Boris Yeltsin in the 1990s alarmed many emerging countries and encouraged the view that governments can mitigate the strains that capitalism and globalisation cause by providing not just the hard infrastructure of roads and bridges but also the soft infrastructure of flagship corporations.

So Lee Kuan Yew’s government in Singapore, an early exponent of this idea, let in foreign firms and embraced Western management ideas, but also owned chunks of companies. The leading practitioner is now China. The tight connection between its government and business will no doubt be on display when the global elite gathers in the Swiss resort of Davos next week. Among Westerners there, government delegates often take the opposite view to those from the private sector: Chinese delegates from both sides tend to have the same point of view, and even the same patriotic talking-points.

The new model bears little resemblance to the disastrous spate of nationalisations in Britain and elsewhere half a century ago. China’s infrastructure companies win contracts the world over. The best national champions are outward-looking, acquiring skills by listing on foreign exchanges and taking over foreign companies. And governments are selective in their corporate holdings. Overall, the Chinese state has loosened its grip on the economy: its bureaucrats concentrate on industries where they can make a difference.

Let a thousand mobiles bloom

Yet a close look at the model shows its weaknesses. When the government favours one lot of companies, the others suffer. In 2009 China Mobile and another state giant, China National Petroleum Corporation, made profits of $33 billion—more than China’s 500 most profitable private companies combined. State giants soak up capital and talent that might have been used better by private companies. Studies show that state companies use capital less efficiently than private ones, and grow more slowly. In many countries the coddled state giants are pouring money into fancy towers at a time when entrepreneurs are struggling to raise capital.

Those costs are likely to rise. State companies are good at copying others, partly because they can use the government’s clout to get hold of their technology; but as they have to produce ideas of their own they will become less competitive. State-owned companies make a few big bets rather than lots of small ones; the world’s great centres of innovation are usually networks of small start-ups.

Nor does the model guarantee stability. State capitalism works well only when directed by a competent state. Many Asian countries have a strong mandarin culture; South Africa and Brazil do not. Coal India is hardly an advertisement for efficiency (see article). And everywhere state capitalism favours well-connected insiders over innovative outsiders. In China highly educated princelings have taken the spoils. In Russia a clique of “bureaugarchs”, often former KGB officials, dominate both the Kremlin and business. Thus the model produces cronyism, inequality and eventually discontent—as the Mubaraks’ brand of state capitalism did in Egypt.

Rising powers have always used the state to kick-start growth: think of Japan and South Korea in the 1950s or Germany in the 1870s or even the United States after the war of independence. But these countries have, over time, invariably found that the system has limits. The Chinese of all people should understand that the best way to learn from history is to look at its long sweep.

But it may take many years for the model’s weaknesses to become obvious; and, in the meantime, it is likely to cause all sorts of problems. Investors in emerging markets, for instance, need to watch out. Some may be taking a punt on governments as much as companies. State-capitalist governments can be capricious, with scant regard for minority shareholders. Others may find their subsidiaries or joint ventures in emerging markets pitted against state-backed favourites.

Another concern is the impact of the model on the global trading system—which, at a time when the likely Republican nominee for president wants to declare China a currency manipulator on his first day of office, is already at risk. Ensuring that trade is fair is harder when some companies enjoy the support, overt or covert, of a national government. Western politicians are beginning to lose patience with state-capitalist powers that rig the system in favour of their own companies.

For emerging countries wanting to make their mark on the world, state capitalism has an obvious appeal. It gives them the clout that private-sector companies would take years to build. But its dangers outweigh its advantages. Both for their own sake, and in the interests of world trade, the practitioners of state capitalism need to start unwinding their huge holdings in favoured companies and handing them over to private investors. If these companies are as good as they boast they are, then they no longer need the crutch of state support.

this was always the inevitable..
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Bakes on January 27, 2012, 04:12:22 PM
He crazy??  I thought Independents and some Democrats like him but he just doh go anywhere cuz Republicans doh like him....he too "liberal" for them..... :-\

Not that he crazy... but rather he lacks viable ideas.  No one can deny the role personality plays as well.  I personally think he's a nice fella... but even if he not crazy, some of the Darwinian policies he espouses certainly are.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Brownsugar on January 27, 2012, 06:09:20 PM
He crazy??  I thought Independents and some Democrats like him but he just doh go anywhere cuz Republicans doh like him....he too "liberal" for them..... :-\

Not that he crazy... but rather he lacks viable ideas.  No one can deny the role personality plays as well.  I personally think he's a nice fella... but even if he not crazy, some of the Darwinian policies he espouses certainly are.

oooooohhhh.....his "End the Fed" campaign is one such lacking idea??
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: asylumseeker on January 30, 2012, 07:24:16 PM
Campaign ads: part of the story ...

http://www.youtube.com/w/v/uYmRCXok8Dc&feature=bf_prev&list=PL8B4B75DFB1979356&lf=results_main
Michelle Bachmann Introduction ad.

http://www.youtube.com/w/v/-IuiEmXoBhI&feature=autoplay&list=PL8B4B75DFB1979356&lf=results_main&playnext=2
Herman Cain message ad.

http://www.youtube.com/w/v/uFQ0OGaoFjQ&feature=autoplay&list=PL8B4B75DFB1979356&lf=results_main&playnext=2
Rick Perry contrast to the incumbent ad.

http://www.youtube.com/w/v/biqIuX3uX0U&feature=autoplay&list=PL8B4B75DFB1979356&lf=results_main&playnext=1
Huntsman ID ad.

http://www.youtube.com/w/v/s2rMnov4Ae8&feature=bf_prev&list=PL8B4B75DFB1979356&lf=results_main
Unofficial Ron Paul.

http://www.youtube.com/w/v/UUNIeOB0whI
Ron Paul ID ad.

http://www.youtube.com/w/v/jSVi45vfA6o&NR=1
Ron Paul distinguishing ad.

http://www.youtube.com/w/v/cr2KV50BKQQ&feature=related
Ron Paul message ad.

http://www.youtube.com/w/v/SBEuljskKO0
Ron Paul attack ad challenging Santorum's credibility.

http://www.youtube.com/w/v/a5E_4YnrMs0
Rick Santorum ID ad with anti-party establishment messaging.

This first clip sets up the second clip:
http://www.youtube.com/w/v/XuUvq2ierHE

http://www.youtube.com/w/v/jVUQuJDEs04&feature=related
Newt Gingrich attack ad challenging Romney's credibility.

http://www.youtube.com/w/v/MQst6lQBSbI&feature=related
South Carolina primary ad pushed by Gingrich backers.

http://www.youtube.com/w/v/pSkLw6UvpaM
Newt Gingrich attack ad ... Romney in the doghouse again.

Spanish language ads from the Florida primary ... naturally, the only word you need to understand is "Castro":
http://www.youtube.com/w/v/fDcabgXitRQ

"I am Mario-Diaz Balart. Republicans need to elect the best candidate to face President Barack Obama. A candidate that has a plan to jump start the economy and to create jobs. I am convinced that Mitt Romney is that candidate. That's why I support Romney.

I'm Ileana Ros-Lehtinen. Mitt Romney will fight the despotic forces of Castro and Chavez. He understands the urgency of stopping them and of increasing our support for the brave heroes who fight for democracy in Cuba. Obama's policies have failed. We need Romney's leadership and conviction to change course in our hemisphere. That's why I support Romney.

I'm Lincoln Diaz-Balart. This year's presidential elections will be decisive in the cause of liberty. We have the responsibility of opposing Barack Obama with the candidate who has the greatest likelihood of winning. That's why I support Romney.

Paid for by Mitt Romney for President, Inc. I'm Mitt Romney, candidate for President, and I approved this message."


http://www.youtube.com/w/v/a1_taR9pl5s&feature=relmfu
"Newt Gingrich claims to be a Reagan conservative. Let's examine the facts. Gingrich said he wouldn't change the failed Obama policy on travel to Cuba that has served to fill Castro's tyrannical pockets and to increase repression on the island.

I don't believe that Reagan would agree with Gingrich. Gingrich profited from Freddie Mac, one of the major sources of the foreclosure crisis that wreaked immense damage within our community. Reagan would never have partnered with Nancy Pelosi - as Gingrich did - to advance the agenda of the extreme left-wing, and Reagan never would have offended the Hispanic community - as Gingrich did - by saying that Spanish is the language of the ghetto.

Now as he seeks votes, Gingrich wants to change his story, but the facts speak for themselves.

Paid for by Mitt Romney for President, Inc.  I'm Mitt Romney, candidate for President, and I approved this message."


http://www.youtube.com/w/v/Rn6Oe19c7_k
Non-Castro themed Spanish language ad targeted to "us".

"The United States represents liberty, opportunity ... where anything is possible. I'm Craig Romney. My father, Mitt Romney, believes in these American values because he has lived them, and he will fight to restore the greatness of our nation.

Former Congressman Lincoln-Diaz-Balart: Romney has a plan to create new jobs.

Congresswoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen: Romney has the vision to restore the national security of this country.

Congressman Mario Diaz-Balart: Romney believes in us.

I'm Mitt Romney and I approved this message. Many thanks."


Post #5000.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: truetrini on January 30, 2012, 07:32:41 PM
Once dem damn Republicans continue to self loathe and hold debates, re-electing Obama is a sure thing
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: ribbit on January 31, 2012, 01:05:19 PM
wall street find a real padnah with de prez. and dey get him cheap too. unless one of dese GOP could muscle in on dat backing, dem eh have a prayer. speaking of prayer, dem evangelicals eh coming out to support romney and women eh supporting gingrinch. so de GOP frontrunners eh have a hope in any case. congrats to de prez. hopefully is a good set a republican in congress :devil:
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: ribbit on February 11, 2012, 05:41:20 PM
well dat mortgage deal met with deafening silence. banks and de 1% get a 650B bligh from de prez securing he next term. ah have to give credit to t&t; when ah see how de soca warriors going through de proper legal channels to ensure dere contract was fulfilled it strikes such a marked contrast to how "business" with an american bank plays out in de usa. and dis is not de first time either - is a real 4king joke of a system dey have in de usa.
Title: A Conservative Perspective: Obama and 2016
Post by: Controversial on March 24, 2012, 03:58:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6QOscKvUjU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6QOscKvUjU)

Title: Re: A Conservative Perspective: Obama and 2016
Post by: truetrini on March 25, 2012, 12:07:13 AM
3:37 IS THE MOST TELLING...ALMOST AT THE END OF OBAMA'S TERM....His first term....!

Even this cock sucker immigrant ass knows Obama will have a second term.

No f**king way these suck ass money grabbing republican cunnies winning.  For all the paranoia, and misinformation, and lies, and suspicion these bastards trying to instil.....Barack will ride the love to victory.

Millions of Republicans doing what they can to make one american man lose his job, while f**king millions of americans out of employment.

This is total assholery.

This c**t saying Obama should have used the military to intervene in IRAN???

TI, why you even posting the ka ka hole shit here man.
Title: Re: A Conservative Perspective: Obama and 2016
Post by: truetrini on March 25, 2012, 12:10:57 AM
If I see that asshole I will hit he two Sam like slap in he c**t.

seriously this man and people like him really piss me off...I have a theory....stinking f**ker.

Quote
At the conclusion of a commentary article for Forbes magazine about President Barack Obama, D'Souza writes: "...Our President is trapped in his father's time machine. Incredibly, the U.S. is being ruled according to the dreams of a Luo tribesman of the 1950s. This philandering, inebriated African socialist, who raged against the world for denying him the realization of his anticolonial ambitions, is now setting the nation's agenda through the reincarnation of his dreams in his son. The son makes it happen, but he candidly admits he is only living out his father's dream. The invisible father provides the inspiration, and the son dutifully gets the job done. America today is governed by a ghost."

''And then this smacks of racism too!   :   
Quote
He also takes this a step further and challenges the notion that all world cultures are equal. "If one begins with the multicultural premise that all cultures are equal, then the world as it is makes very little sense," he says. "Some cultures have completely outperformed others in providing the things that all people seek -- health, food, housing, security and the amenities of life."

And to me this one takes the cake..steups.  : 
Quote
"Groups like the ACLU, with the acquiescence if not collusion of the courts, are actively promoting a jurisprudence of anti-religious discrimination. In a way the Supreme Court has distorted the Constitution to make religious believers of all faiths into second-class citizens." D'Souza argues that by enforcing the separation of church and state, the government unfairly promotes secularism.[/
Title: Re: A Conservative Perspective: Obama and 2016
Post by: Controversial on March 25, 2012, 11:21:20 AM
3:37 IS THE MOST TELLING...ALMOST AT THE END OF OBAMA'S TERM....His first term....!

Even this cock sucker immigrant ass knows Obama will have a second term.

No f**king way these suck ass money grabbing republican cunnies winning.  For all the paranoia, and misinformation, and lies, and suspicion these bastards trying to instil.....Barack will ride the love to victory.

Millions of Republicans doing what they can to make one american man lose his job, while f**king millions of americans out of employment.

This is total assholery.

This c**t saying Obama should have used the military to intervene in IRAN???

TI, why you even posting the ka ka hole shit here man.

always good to read both sides and see the perspective of others, it was similar to the article i posted about the murder rate and the caribbean, which conveniently left out the fact of latin america.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: asylumseeker on August 13, 2012, 08:20:10 PM
I like Mr. Romney's VP choice. Obama Biden v. Romney Ryan ...
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: ribbit on August 16, 2012, 01:40:04 PM
I like Mr. Romney's VP choice. Obama Biden v. Romney Ryan ...

is biden seat safe? ah hearing rumblings he might get replaced.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: asylumseeker on August 17, 2012, 03:11:22 AM
That put y'all back in chains talk didn't have a good ring to it. No doubt there were more artful ways in which to craft or communicate that message. As to the uproar ... apparently Republicans don't take kindly to Democrats appropriating the language of their Southern Strategy. Buh is Joe Biden we talking about ... the most artful thing about him is Jill.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: elan on August 17, 2012, 12:23:10 PM
That put y'all back in chains talk didn't have a good ring to it. No doubt there were more artful ways in which to craft or communicate that message. As to the uproar ... apparently Republicans don't take kindly to Democrats appropriating the language of their Southern Strategy. Buh is Joe Biden we talking about ... the most artful thing about him is Jill.

I did not see anything in it [the statement] because of the lead up to the statement. But say what......
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: asylumseeker on August 19, 2012, 09:55:33 AM
That put y'all back in chains talk didn't have a good ring to it. No doubt there were more artful ways in which to craft or communicate that message. As to the uproar ... apparently Republicans don't take kindly to Democrats appropriating the language of their Southern Strategy. Buh is Joe Biden we talking about ... the most artful thing about him is Jill.

I did not see anything in it [the statement] because of the lead up to the statement. But say what......

There is something to what yuh saying. Buh even innocuous comments bear political consequences ... so he started to wade in muddy water with that. It's fair game for a Republican strategist.

Some analyses seem to rely on the racial composition of the audience in assessing the remarks. That may be an improper benchmark for evaluating the comments.

I'm reading conflicting reports regarding the composition of the audience. It appears that the journalists are not being "responsible" in their reporting. Ah seeing "predominantly" AA to "many" AAs to "an audience including AAs" ... etc.

Danville, VA by itself could rally a signiificant AA audience, but despite Pittsylvannia County's Republican leanings, the presence of Biden could pull across Henry County, Pittsylvannia County and from NC as well in a presidential election year ... to a white audience. However, most of the ppl in attendance probably were civic or political ppl. When Mark Warner was Governor, I attended an event there and I recall it being not remarkable as far as distorted one way or the other by race. In any event, he was preaching to the choir ... so not much will come of this.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Bakes on August 19, 2012, 08:26:45 PM
Just from the video and other reports he was speaking to a mixed audience... one which wasn't segregated.  He didn't point to one side of the room (where all the black were, for instance) when he made the comment, so it was hardly geared towards AAs.  His comment wasn't in the least a reference to race or slavery, but a bad pun utilizing the "unchain" part of Ryan's comments.  But the sheep out there lapping it up believing it about race.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: 1-868 on August 23, 2012, 02:26:02 PM
Lubbock Co. Judge warns of potential danger if Obama is re-elected

http://www.myfoxlubbock.com/news/local/story/Lubbock-tom-head-tax-rates-president-obama/PeO4Q8GeGEiy_FpxheUnmA.cspx

Lubbock County Judge Tom Head and Commissioner Mark Heinrich went into great detail Monday night on FOX 34 News @ Nine about why it is necessary to raise the tax rate by 1.7 cents the next fiscal year.

An across-the-board pay increase is needed for the attorneys on the DA's staff to keep them from being poached by higher-paying counties, and the sheriff needs to expand his staff by seven deputies to reduce call response times, minimize officer fatigue and reduce the turnaround time for investigations.

Judge Head said he and the county must be prepared for many contingencies, one that he particularly fears, is if President Obama is reelected.

“He's going to try to hand over the sovereignty of the United States to the UN, and what is going to happen when that happens?,” Head asked.
 
“I'm thinking the worst. Civil unrest, civil disobedience, civil war maybe. And we're not just talking a few riots here and demonstrations, we're talking Lexington, Concord, take up arms and get rid of the guy.

"Now what's going to happen if we do that, if the public decides to do that? He's going to send in U.N. troops. I don't want 'em in Lubbock County. OK. So I'm going to stand in front of their armored personnel carrier and say 'you're not coming in here'.

"And the sheriff, I've already asked him, I said 'you gonna back me' he said, 'yeah, I'll back you'. Well, I don't want a bunch of rookies back there. I want trained, equipped, seasoned veteran officers to back me."

Whether you agree with the judge, or think his theories are unrealistic, the reality is a tax hike that will provide an additional $832,433 coupled with $2 million in cuts to make the numbers work.

You can sound off at two public hearings, Wednesday at 10 a.m. and Monday at 10a.m. Both hearings are at commissioner’s court.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Deeks on August 23, 2012, 05:04:03 PM
The sherrif was sounding sane until he start talking about sovereignty and the UN. Plz... put ah hand ???
Title: OBAMA IS BOSS !!!!!!!!!!
Post by: davyjenny1 on September 03, 2012, 08:21:48 PM
Health care is at the top of the agenda all the men in america who is looking to revive they manhood doh have to worry about the abuse from wives and girlfriends while on the other side of the fence going both ways is second on the list of the agenda. We going forward...
Title: Re: OBAMA IS BOSS !!!!!!!!!!
Post by: AirMan on September 03, 2012, 09:15:28 PM
Obama will win..as election day gets closer people will see his lead increase nationally in the polls. Dont think he will win with a margin as big as the last elections. Few swing states he won last election like Virgina and North Carolina he may lose this election..but he will win swing states like Florida, Iowa, Ohio, New Hampshire, Colorado again
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: warmonga on September 04, 2012, 08:57:23 AM
If Cacausian thinks like ppl frm trinidad Hell f**king NO!!!!!!!!!!!!! if they think Like americans we good to go .. One more term for Mr Obama..Anyway or the other I think the man his doing his best.. A little to Partial but He doing his best he gets my vote...

war
wey I cya believe I mek this post and it took all but one thing for di man to say how he like di faggots dem and I change,  anyway I sticking wid mi change.. Dais it for Obama he done , I wid anyone who dislikes di faggots and di child killers!!!!
war
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Daft Trini on September 04, 2012, 10:11:57 AM


The empty chair at the DNC convention!

(http://cdn.breitbart.com/mediaserver/Breitbart/Big-Government/2012/09/03/ObamaSandCastleEmptyChairjpg.jpg)
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: ribbit on September 04, 2012, 10:32:29 AM
Health care is at the top of the agenda all the men in america who is looking to revive they manhood doh have to worry about the abuse from wives and girlfriends while on the other side of the fence going both ways is second on the list of the agenda. We going forward...

all de men in america looking for what? so dat is health care - fella like TT hoping to "revive they manhood"?

health care eh de top of the agenda. de economy is de top issue.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Daft Trini on September 04, 2012, 10:38:33 AM
Obummer saying the same shyt for the last 5 years and he still need a teleprompter!  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: warmonga on September 04, 2012, 10:41:51 AM
Imagine  unemployment was in better shape when  Bush was running di country
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Andre on September 04, 2012, 10:59:15 AM
Imagine  unemployment was in better shape when  Bush was running di country
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

because he create plenty military jobs invading iraq and afghanistan. now they come back and want to shoot everybody.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: AirMan on September 04, 2012, 11:36:14 AM

No Bounce for Romney in Florida
A new Public Policy Polling survey in Florida finds President Obama leads Mitt Romney, 48% to 47%, exactly as he did five weeks ago.

Key findings: "The Republican convention being held in Tampa appears to have been a wash. 33% of voters say it made them more likely to vote for Republicans, 33% said it made them less likely to vote for Republicans, and 34% said it didn't make a difference to them either way."
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/09/02/no_bounce_for_romney_in_florida.html#.UEQmugA8jr5.twitter
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: AirMan on September 04, 2012, 11:41:14 AM

This man is a BOSS..shoot down two Republicans

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtWEv4On97E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtWEv4On97E)
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: ribbit on September 04, 2012, 11:53:13 AM

This man is a BOSS..shoot down two Republicans

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtWEv4On97E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtWEv4On97E)

not really. he duck the excellent point made by cruz. he basically keeping the spotlight on the negative slings at ryan instead of offering a solution. dems out of ideas badly.

de elections is basically coming down to a party with bad ideas (gop) vs a party with no ideas (dems). ah sorry for allyuh in usa.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: truetrini on September 04, 2012, 01:03:13 PM

This man is a BOSS..shoot down two Republicans

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtWEv4On97E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtWEv4On97E)

not really. he duck the excellent point made by cruz. he basically keeping the spotlight on the negative slings at ryan instead of offering a solution. dems out of ideas badly.

de elections is basically coming down to a party with bad ideas (gop) vs a party with no ideas (dems). ah sorry for allyuh in usa.

Do you ribbit,  really think that anybody in de USA care what de f**k you or any Canuck wannabe thinks about us in the USA?

This is what is seen of Mt Rushmore from the Canadian side.
(http://psycho18100.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/mt-rushmore-backside1.jpg?w=500)
Kiss we ass.

Feel sorry fuh yuh own ass in dat frozen tundra to de north.   SERIOUSLY!
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: AirMan on September 04, 2012, 05:58:41 PM

This man is a BOSS..shoot down two Republicans

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtWEv4On97E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtWEv4On97E)

not really. he duck the excellent point made by cruz. he basically keeping the spotlight on the negative slings at ryan instead of offering a solution. dems out of ideas badly.

de elections is basically coming down to a party with bad ideas (gop) vs a party with no ideas (dems). ah sorry for allyuh in usa.

LOL @ "sorry for allyuh in USA"...typical response from someone with a personal agenda about the issue
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Bakes on September 04, 2012, 10:55:11 PM
not really. he duck the excellent point made by cruz. he basically keeping the spotlight on the negative slings at ryan instead of offering a solution. dems out of ideas badly.

de elections is basically coming down to a party with bad ideas (gop) vs a party with no ideas (dems). ah sorry for allyuh in usa.

Sit on yuh sympathy and wine.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: fishs on September 05, 2012, 05:19:45 AM


 MICHELLE OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT !!!

 What a speech. I not into american thing but I almost cry.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: 100% Barataria on September 05, 2012, 06:59:31 AM


 MICHELLE OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT !!!

 What a speech. I not into american thing but I almost cry.

Julian Castro's was on point too, wonderful family story
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Bakes on September 05, 2012, 10:54:54 AM


 MICHELLE OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT !!!

 What a speech. I not into american thing but I almost cry.

Julian Castro's was on point too, wonderful family story

I thought all the speeches were terrific... from Tammy Duckworth, who was born in Thailand to an American father and Thai father, became a Blackhawk pilot and lost both legs after being shot down over Iraq, to Ted Strickland who quoted Matthew 6:21 in ("where your treasure is there too will be your heart") in reference to Romney off-shoring his money.... great speeches.  But I agree, Michelle Obama (with her fine self) and Julian Castro were special.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: ribbit on September 05, 2012, 11:14:09 AM


 MICHELLE OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT !!!

 What a speech. I not into american thing but I almost cry.

Julian Castro's was on point too, wonderful family story

I thought all the speeches were terrific... from Tammy Duckworth, who was born in Thailand to an American father and Thai father, became a Blackhawk pilot and lost both legs after being shot down over Iraq, to Ted Strickland who quoted Matthew 6:21 in ("where your treasure is there too will be your heart") in reference to Romney off-shoring his money.... great speeches.  But I agree, Michelle Obama (with her fine self) and Julian Castro were special.

like gay marriage gorn to allyuh head.

anyway, de LAST ting de usa need is a next speech. speech doh make job.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: warmonga on September 05, 2012, 11:53:01 AM


 MICHELLE OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT !!!

 What a speech. I not into american thing but I almost cry.

Julian Castro's was on point too, wonderful family story

I thought all the speeches were terrific... from Tammy Duckworth, who was born in Thailand to an American father and Thai father, became a Blackhawk pilot and lost both legs after being shot down over Iraq, to Ted Strickland who quoted Matthew 6:21 in ("where your treasure is there too will be your heart") in reference to Romney off-shoring his money.... great speeches.  But I agree, Michelle Obama (with her fine self) and Julian Castro were special.

like gay marriage gorn to allyuh head.

anyway, de LAST ting de usa need is a next speech. speech doh make job.
well all a dem supporting the bullerman activities now....
war
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Daft Trini on September 05, 2012, 01:40:36 PM
can't fill the stadium  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: D.H.W on September 05, 2012, 02:57:51 PM
Rain
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: ribbit on September 05, 2012, 03:02:12 PM
can't fill the stadium  :rotfl:

Rain

ironic given de talks from limbaugh
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: just cool on September 06, 2012, 02:56:38 AM
I don't see why not, since his only opponent is ah moron.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Deeks on September 06, 2012, 07:31:23 AM
can't fill the stadium  :rotfl:

Draft, yuh serious?! People safety comes first!
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Daft Trini on September 06, 2012, 07:57:35 AM
can't fill the stadium  :rotfl:

Draft, yuh serious?! People safety comes first!

Yes, I was in Charlotte, Monday, and OBX last week, fished the sound and the Atlantic, there was call for rain 30-50% of the time, if the rain fell it fell during 3-6pm. Not during his acceptance speech. While we were in charlotte, we had no problem to find a room either, because the turn out was so low for the convention.

Here's Lt Gov. Dalton saying the "thrill is gone"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1P5-t0ruUQ

Chance of Rain during BHO's speech: 0

http://www.weather.com/weather/hourbyhour/graph/Charlotte+NC+USNC0121:1:US?pagenum=2&nextbeginIndex=6




Title: Barack Obama Thread
Post by: truetrini on September 10, 2012, 03:29:14 PM
Obama is THE Boss!

Who vex lorse.   Romney is a joke and Ryan is a piece of shit!
Title: Re: Obama is THE Boss!
Post by: fishs on September 11, 2012, 07:04:32 AM
 Doh shoot the messenger.  ;D

 Analysis of election factors points to Romney win, University of Colorado study says
  August 22, 2012 •
Social Sciences•
Discovery & Innovation, Discoveries & Achievements, Research Collaborations

A University of Colorado analysis of state-by-state factors leading to the Electoral College selection of every U.S. president since 1980 forecasts that the 2012 winner will be Mitt Romney.

The key is the economy, say political science professors Kenneth Bickers of CU-Boulder and Michael Berry of CU Denver. Their prediction model stresses economic data from the 50 states and the District of Columbia, including both state and national unemployment figures as well as changes in real per capita income, among other factors.

“Based on our forecasting model, it becomes clear that the president is in electoral trouble,” said Bickers, also director of the CU in DC Internship Program.

According to their analysis, President Barack Obama will win 218 votes in the Electoral College, short of the 270 he needs. And though they chiefly focus on the Electoral College, the political scientists predict Romney will win 52.9 percent of the popular vote to Obama’s 47.1 percent, when considering only the two major political parties.

“For the last eight presidential elections, this model has correctly predicted the winner,” said Berry. “The economy has seen some improvement since President Obama took office. What remains to be seen is whether voters will consider the economy in relative or absolute terms. If it’s the former, the president may receive credit for the economy’s trajectory and win a second term. In the latter case, Romney should pick up a number of states Obama won in 2008.”

Their model correctly predicted all elections since 1980, including two years when independent candidates ran strongly, 1980 and 1992. It also correctly predicted the outcome in 2000, when Al Gore received the most popular vote but George W. Bush won the election.

The study will be published this month in PS: Political Science & Politics, a peer-reviewed journal of the American Political Science Association. It will be among about a dozen election prediction models, but one of only two to focus on the Electoral College.

While many forecast models are based on the popular vote, the Electoral College model developed by Bickers and Berry is the only one of its type to include more than one state-level measure of economic conditions.

In addition to state and national unemployment rates, the authors looked at per capita income, which indicates the extent to which people have more or less disposable income. Research shows that these two factors affect the major parties differently: Voters hold Democrats more responsible for unemployment rates while Republicans are held more responsible for per capita income.

Accordingly -- and depending largely on which party is in the White House at the time -- each factor can either help or hurt the major parties disproportionately.

Their results show that “the apparent advantage of being a Democratic candidate and holding the White House disappears when the national unemployment rate hits 5.6 percent,” Berry said.  The results indicate, according to Bickers, “that the incumbency advantage enjoyed by President Obama, though statistically significant, is not great enough to offset high rates of unemployment currently experienced in many of the states.”

In an examination of other factors, the authors found that none of the following had any statistically significant effect on whether a state ultimately went for a particular candidate: The location of a party’s national convention; the home state of the vice president; or the partisanship of state governors.

In 2012, “What is striking about our state-level economic indicator forecast is the expectation that Obama will lose almost all of the states currently considered as swing states, including North Carolina, Virginia, New Hampshire, Colorado, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Florida,” Bickers said.

In Colorado, which went for Obama in 2008, the model predicts that Romney will receive 51.9 percent of the vote to Obama’s 48.1 percent, again with only the two major parties considered.

The authors also provided caveats. Factors they said may affect their prediction include the timeframe of the economic data used in the study and close tallies in certain states. The current data was taken five months in advance of the Nov. 6 election and they plan to update it with more current economic data in September. A second factor is that states very close to a 50-50 split may fall an unexpected direction.

“As scholars and pundits well know, each election has unique elements that could lead one or more states to behave in ways in a particular election that the model is unable to correctly predict,” Berry said.

Election prediction models “suggest that presidential elections are about big things and the stewardship of the national economy,” Bickers said. “It’s not about gaffes, political commercials or day-to-day campaign tactics. I find that heartening for our democracy.”

Contact:
Kenneth Bickers, 303-492-2363
bickers@colorado.edu
Michael Berry, 303-556-6244
michael.berry@ucdenver.edu
Peter Caughey, CU-Boulder media relations, 303-492-4007
David Kelly, CU Denver media relations, 303-315-6374
Title: Re: Obama is THE Boss!
Post by: truetrini on September 11, 2012, 07:46:58 AM
dem republicans are the biggest bullers...stats prove this.   They have the largest population of bullers on capitol hill.

Warmonga backing anybody but de bullers...so dem eh winning.
Title: Re: Obama is THE Boss!
Post by: asylumseeker on September 11, 2012, 07:58:48 AM
Give a substantive response to fish's post nah, TT SC.
Title: Re: Obama is THE Boss!
Post by: pecan on September 11, 2012, 11:43:31 AM
what? "biggest bullers" not substantive enough?  :devil:

Title: Re: Obama is THE Boss!
Post by: D.H.W on September 11, 2012, 01:05:25 PM
 :rotfl:
Title: Re: Obama is THE Boss!
Post by: truetrini on September 11, 2012, 02:12:23 PM
Give a substantive response to fish's post nah, TT SC.

It came from Colorado...yuh want me to really comment on that?

Seriously??
Title: Re: Obama is THE Boss!
Post by: fishs on September 11, 2012, 11:17:39 PM
 Another wind up .... Let the cussing begin  ;D ;D

 This is one of many Anti Obama emails I have received over the past 4 yrs from an American Ex marine that I worked with. I read them for the humor more than anything else. So I will post it to wind up TT.
Actually I googled some of this and most is true. Talk about bullermen.  ;D ;D

I have always felt we need to give people the benefit of the doubt...but this is not one of those cases - if WE as Americans do not "get this" then we are lost...I never thought I would live to see the day.
 The gentlemen that sent this to me is one of the most fair - best men I have ever met and looks at all possibilities and even he knows this is a drastic situation...I believe it - I hope you are all doing your homework.  Everyone I have sent this to, I believe to be a friend and I trust - so do your homework...this is one e mail that needs to be shared...no matter our political parties. Looking back thru the past 4 years, many "Whens" pop up. Read them all to better understand where we are going as a country.
WHEN - he refused to disclose who donated money to his election campaign, as other candidates had done, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he received endorsements from people like Louis Farrakhan, Muramar Kaddafi and Hugo Chavez, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - it was pointed out that he was a total newcomer and had absolutely no experience at anything except community organizing, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he chose friends and acquaintances such as Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn who were revolutionary radicals, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - his voting record in the Illinois Senate and in the U.S. Senate came into question, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he refused to wear a flag lapel pin and did so only after a public outcry, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - people started treating him as a Messiah and children in schools were taught to sing his praises, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he stood with his hands over his groin area for the playing of the National Anthem and Pledge of Allegiance, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he surrounded himself in the White House with advisors who were pro-gun control, pro-abortion, pro-homosexual marriage and wanting to curtail freedom of speech to silence the opposition, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he said he favors sex education in kindergarten, including homosexual indoctrination, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - his personal background was either scrubbed or hidden and nothing could be found about him, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - the place of his birth was called into question, and he refused to produce a birth certificate, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he had an association in Chicago with Tony Rezco - a man of questionable character and who is now in prison and had helped Obama to a sweet deal on the purchase of his home - people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - it became known that George Soros, a multi-billionaire Marxist, spent a ton of money to get him elected, people said it didn't matter.
WHEN - he started appointing White House Czars that were radicals, revolutionaries, and even avowed Marxist /Communists, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he stood before the Nation and told us that his intentions were to "fundamentally transform this Nation" into something else, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - it became known that he had trained ACORN workers in Chicago and served as an attorney for ACORN, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he appointed cabinet members and several advisers who were tax cheats and socialists, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he appointed a Science Czar, John Holdren, who believes in forced abortions, mass sterilizations and seizing babies from teen mothers, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he appointed Cass Sunstein as Regulatory Czar who believes in "Explicit Consent," harvesting human organs without family consent and allowing animals to be represented in court, while banning all hunting, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he appointed Kevin Jennings, a homosexual and organizer of a group called Gay, Lesbian, Straight, Education Network as Safe School Czar and it became known that he had a history of bad advice to teenagers, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he appointed Mark Lloyd as Diversity Czar who believes in curtailing free speech, taking from one and giving to another to spread the wealth, who supports Hugo Chavez, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - Valerie Jarrett, an avowed Socialist, was selected as Obama's Senior White House Advisor, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - Anita Dunn, White House Communications Director, said Mao Tse Tung was her favorite philosopher and the person she turned to most for inspiration, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he appointed Carol Browner, a well known socialist as Global Warming Czar working on Cap and Trade as the nation's largest tax, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he appointed Van Jones, an ex-con and avowed Communist as Green Energy Czar, who since had to resign when this was made known, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - Tom Daschle, Obama's pick for Health and Human Services Secretary could not be confirmed because he was a tax cheat, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - as President of the United States , he bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia, people said it didn't matter..

WHEN - he traveled around the world criticizing America and never once talking of her greatness, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - his actions concerning the Middle East seemed to support the Palestinians over Israel, our long time ally, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he took American tax dollars to resettle thousands of Palestinians from Gaza to the United States, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he upset the Europeans by removing plans for a missile defense system against the Russians, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he played politics in Afghanistan by not sending troops early-on when the Field Commanders said they were necessary to win, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he started spending us into a debt that was so big we could not pay it off, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he took a huge spending bill under the guise of stimulus and used it to pay off organizations, unions, and individuals that got him elected, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he took over insurance companies, car companies, banks, etc., people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he took away student loans from the banks and put it through the government, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he designed plans to take over the health care system and put it under government control, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he claimed he was a Christian during the election and tapes were later made public that showed Obama speaking to a Muslim group and 'stating' that he was raised a Muslim, was educated as a Muslim, and is still a Muslim, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he set into motion a plan to take over the control of all energy in the United States through Cap and Trade, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he finally completed his transformation of America into a Socialist State , people woke up--- but it was too late. Add these up one by one and you get a phenomenal score that points to the fact that Barrack Hussein Obama is determined to turn America into a Marxist-Socialist society. All of the items in the preceding paragraphs have been put into place. All can be documented very easily. Before you disavow this do an Internet search. The last paragraph alone is not yet cast in stone. You and I will write that paragraph.

Will it read as above or will it be a more happy ending for most of America ?

Don't just belittle the opposition. Search for the truth. We all need to pull together or watch the demise of a free democratic society. Pray for Americans to seek the truth and take action for it will keep us FREE. Our biggest enemy is not China, Russia, North Korea or Iran. Our biggest enemy is a contingent of politicians in Washington, DC . The government will not help, so we need to do it ourselves.

Question....will you delete this, or pass it on to others who don't know about Obama's actions and plans for the USA , so that they may know how to vote in November, 2012 and the ensuing years?

It's your decision. I believe it does matter. How about you?

WHEN - November 2012 comes, it will matter who you vote for! 

 
 
 

 
 



Title: Re: Obama is THE Boss!
Post by: just cool on September 12, 2012, 03:31:53 AM
Who wrote that diatribe fishes, rush limbaugh??
Title: Re: Obama is THE Boss!
Post by: fishs on September 12, 2012, 04:00:59 AM

    Another one of his forwarded anonymous emails. you should see the ones I get about Obama's birth certificate.

 These sorts of emails have been coming for the past 4 yrs, so it means there has been a hate campaign targeting Obama by the Republicans for 4 yrs.

Check another recent one

  VERY TRUE WORDS!!!Political Futures" Mitt wins the nomination, I will enthusiastically support his candidacy. For my friends who have hesitation on that score, I'd just ask you to keep four things in mind: Justice Scalia just turned 78, Justice Kennedy will turn 78 later this year, Justice Breyer will be 76 in August, and Justice Ginsburg turned 81 about a week ago. We wish them all well, of course, but the brute fact is that whoever we elect as president in November is almost certainly going to choose at least one and maybe more new members of the Supreme Court -- in addition to hundreds of other life-tenured federal judges, all of whom will be making momentous decisions about our lives for decades to come. If you don't think it matters whether the guy making those calls is Mitt Romney or Barack Obama, I think you're smokin' something dangerous." --columnist Andrew McCarthy

Title: Re: Obama is THE Boss!
Post by: fishs on September 12, 2012, 04:07:23 AM


 AND ONE MORE FOR TT  ;D ;D ;D As an ex-military man ah sure he will can identify with the sentiment.  ;) ;)

     View this Email as a Web Page
FORMER NAVY SEAL REBUKES OBAMA
Former U.S. Navy SEAL, (and Unite In Action Director), Benjamin Smith releases
an open letter to the President - calling Obama on the carpet once and for all.
TELL OBAMA - STOP USING THE SEALS AS A CAMPAIGN PLOY!

May 7, 2012President Barack Hussein Obama,STOP using the Navy SEALS as a campaign ploy, because with all due respect, (what little I have for you), you do NOT speak for me.
We SEALs do not even seek the credit that you claim for yourself. We do the tough jobs that no-one else can, it is hard to do and we never look for any accolades; that is why we, like all the other Special Operations Forces are termed "SILENT Professionals." And it is certainly NOT in our job description to help your campaign and improve your polling numbers.Your LACK of silence regarding the killing of Osama Bin Laden is all a sham designed to hide a weak un-American man desperate to claim the victories of others for his own re-election.You Sir are trying to take the credit for what the American People have achieved in killing Bin Laden. Your use of the SEALs' accomplishment as part of a slanderous campaign ad is nothing less than despicable. I, as a former Navy SEAL do not accept your taking credit for Osama Bin Laden's death. The American Military accomplished that feat. The American People killed Osama Bin Laden, NOT YOU, President Obama.

Memos from then CIA Director Leon Panetta show that it was not you but rather three star Admiral and former Navy SEAL William McRaven who made the decision to get Bin Laden. But now that it is useful, you Mr. President continue to refer to the event as if it were YOU and you alone - your great leadership - which accomplished the worthy task of slaying one of America's greatest enemies. When you addressed the country your language revealed your egotism - "I directed", "I Continued", "MY Intelligence Community", "MY national security team", "I determined that I had enough....", "My direction...." I, I, I, my, my, my - words of a narcicist laying claim to a prize that is not his own.To make matters worse, Retired General Jack Keene recently informed the world that you knew of Osama Bin Laden's location since 2010, yet you did nothing. Other reliable sources continue to report that not only did you attempt to stop or delay Bin Laden's demise, you did not even leave the golf course for the situation room until 20 minutes before SEAL Team 6 took out Osama Bin Laden. Even the clothes you wore in the situation room betray this fact. This is a Commander in Chief? A man who takes credit for actions largely taken while he was out golfing?

We men who have taken the military oath say ENOUGH. You do not speak for me, a former Navy SEAL, or any one of the league of men whom I have earned the right to be among. You are simply a man running for an office. Yet you behave as a glory hoarding ruler. You campaign to be our leader, yet in reality you wish to be our Master.The American people are the ones who got Bin Laden... You did not! We have fought wars and slugged it out with Vast Terror Organizations to get to the man you say YOU killed. The United States of American has won you a title sir and you have spent the last three years trying to beg, borrow and bow it all away. You just happened to be president of the USA when WE THE PEOPLE got Osama Bin Laden. We do not see you as heroic or stoic, we see you as the guy who let America Go - fat and weak. That is your credit - you bow to foreign leaders and pander to the press. You do not represent me as a Military Man. You do not represent me as a SEAL. You do not represent me as an AMERICAN!TELL OBAMA - STOP USING THE SEALS AS A CAMPAIGN PLOY!
You do not speak for me or any American military man because though you may now be Commander in Chief, you are not the man to whom we can point our sons and say "This is the American dream, this is American Exceptionalism, this is what I wish for your future", because you Sir are NONE of these things.You Sir are the antithesis of American Exceptionalism. Your idols are Saul Alinksi and Karl Marx and your revolutionary dreams and anti-American ideals poison your every policy. Your every action betrays the fact that in your soul you do not understand what it is to be an American, or even know what America truly is. Your agenda from the beginning as been to get rid of and kill everything that is and ever was American. You who so easily dismisses America's greatness and bows to foreigners... YOU DO NOT SPEAK FOR ME. YOU DO NOT SPEAK FOR THE NAVY SEALS. YOU DO NOT SPEAK FOR THE MILITARY MAN AND you SHALL NOT claim as your prize that which you have not earned. The Navy SEALS are NOT a campaign slogan to be bantered about for play. Nor are our accomplishments, including the demise of Osama Bin Laden, yours to claim - espe cially as a narcissistic campaign ad.Go back from whence you came Sir, for not only do you not speak for me, you do not speak for AMERICA.TELL OBAMA - STOP USING THE SEALS AS A CAMPAIGN PLOY!

For Liberty,

Unite In Action Director of Media & Military Affairs
About Benjamin Smith - Unite In Action Director of Media & Military AffairsFormer Navy SEAL Benjamin Smith took an oath to defend our Constitution from enemies both foreign and domestic. That oath has no expiration date. As an author, speaker, political strategist and ardent Constitutionalist, Benjamin Smith continues to battle tyranny and defend the freedoms that enabled American exceptionalism. Benjamin is a regular contributor to multiple news outlets including Breitbart and Fox News and serves on the Unite In Action Board of Directors as Director of Media and Military Affairs.Unite In Action, Inc. is a 501(c)(4) social welfare organization, managed by an all-volunteer staff,
which focuses on nonpartisan civic education and advocacy regarding important national issues.
For more information, please go to www.UniteInAction.org or write us at PO Box 398, Nashville TN 37011-0398.

Title: Re: Obama is THE Boss!
Post by: D.H.W on September 12, 2012, 04:59:09 AM
Hicks
Title: Re: Obama is THE Boss!
Post by: truetrini on September 12, 2012, 08:43:07 AM
To the author of those shit pieces I offer:  (http://r1.sgsr.us/imgs/250/afd235.gif)
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: AirMan on September 20, 2012, 05:16:33 PM
Poll: Obama leads in Virginia, Wisconsin; Tight in Colorado

(CBS News) President Obama holds a narrow lead over Mitt Romney in the key swing states of Virginia, Wisconsin and Colorado, according to a new Quinnipiac University/CBS News/New York Times survey.


Mr. Obama leads his GOP opponent 51 percent to 45 percent in Wisconsin, the home state of GOP vice presidential nominee Rep. Paul Ryan. The president held a two-point lead in an August 23 Quinnipiac University/CBS News/New York Times survey and nine points in an August 8 survey. Mr. Obama won the state by 14 points in 2008.



In Virginia, Mr. Obama leads Romney 50 percent to 46 percent, matching his four-point lead from August. Mr. Obama took the state by seven points four years ago, making him the first Democrat to carry it since 1964.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57515519/poll-obama-leads-in-virginia-wisconsin-tight-in-colorado/
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: AirMan on September 20, 2012, 05:17:10 PM
^^ and he also currently leads in other swing states like Ohio and Nevada..still a tight race in Florida

( I believe teh ONLY swing state Romney leads is North Carolina)
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: truetrini on September 21, 2012, 06:48:26 AM
Obama will win..as election day gets closer people will see his lead increase nationally in the polls. Dont think he will win with a margin as big as the last elections. Few swing states he won last election like Virgina and North Carolina he may lose this election..but he will win swing states like Florida, Iowa, Ohio, New Hampshire, Colorado again

yuh facking mad or what..he winning Virginia easy and also winning North carolina
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: truetrini on September 21, 2012, 06:49:34 AM
The whole f**king world enthralled with US elections...anybody apart from Canadians even know without googling who de major players in Canadian politics are?
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: pecan on September 21, 2012, 08:05:14 AM
The whole f**king world enthralled with US elections...anybody apart from Canadians even know without googling who de major players in Canadian politics are?

sometime I feel you is a wannebe Canadian. You always have something to say bout Canada.

Is like how War does always have negative comments about homosexuals. Makes you wonder.

Hmmm.  for that matter, you musbe be a closet theist.

BTW


Canada just ranked ahead of the US in "Economic Freedom"

Canada has taken its place among the Top 5 countries with the most economic freedom, according to a new Fraser Institute report — now leaps and bounds ahead of the United States thanks to the gradual shrinking of the Canadian government since the mid-1990s as America’s just got bigger.

The annual Economic Freedom of the World report, released Tuesday (Sep 18, 2012), has Canada tied in fifth place with Australia — up one spot from last year. Hong Kong remains at the top, Singapore’s next, then New Zealand.

Meanwhile, the United States, once a “standard bearer” of economic liberty among industrial nations, spiralled 10 spots from the 2011 rankings to 18th place — its lowest position ever, and a huge drop from its second place spot in 2000.

(http://nationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/na0918-economic-freedom150-copy1.jpg)

(http://nationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/na0918-economic-freedom15003.jpg)
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Daft Trini on September 21, 2012, 08:28:37 AM
American vets are finding jobs in Canadian Oilfields. Thanks to obama's 70,000 pages of regulations and an over increase of 1.7 trillion (including obamacare) in new regulatory cost, when he wins will inherit the greatest deficit and debt in US history coupled with the lowest start up businesses, failing energy production from reliable sources, far less industrial production and the highest tax increase in history! Did you see his explanation on Letterman about the Bond Market and the Debt and Deficit... this man is a joke with a capital "J"! Look how brilliant QE3 worked!

Canada is a great place to do business! Keep up the good work especially making good beer! (Steamwhistle  :beermug:) Love all the development that Toronto is doing (too much glass though) and thanks for Sending TD to save some of our Banks!
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: elan on September 21, 2012, 10:53:56 AM
American vets are finding jobs in Canadian Oilfields. Thanks to obama's 70,000 pages of regulations and an over increase of 1.7 trillion (including obamacare) in new regulatory cost, when he wins will inherit the greatest deficit and debt in US history coupled with the lowest start up businesses, failing energy production from reliable sources, far less industrial production and the highest tax increase in history! Did you see his explanation on Letterman about the Bond Market and the Debt and Deficit... this man is a joke with a capital "J"! Look how brilliant QE3 worked!

Canada is a great place to do business! Keep up the good work especially making good beer! (Steamwhistle  :beermug:) Love all the development that Toronto is doing (too much glass though) and thanks for Sending TD to save some of our Banks!

Start up business must be low as the middle class don't have money to spend like that anymore, not so much as failing energy production from reliable sources as so much that the rest of the world is demanding more and willing to pay/cheaper labor, keep on spreading that tax increase talking point.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Dutty on September 21, 2012, 11:24:43 AM
American vets are finding jobs in Canadian Oilfields. Thanks to obama's 70,000 pages of regulations and an over increase of 1.7 trillion (including obamacare) in new regulatory cost, when he wins will inherit the greatest deficit and debt in US history coupled with the lowest start up businesses, failing energy production from reliable sources, far less industrial production and the highest tax increase in history! Did you see his explanation on Letterman about the Bond Market and the Debt and Deficit... this man is a joke with a capital "J"! Look how brilliant QE3 worked!

Canada is a great place to do business! Keep up the good work especially making good beer! (Steamwhistle  :beermug:) Love all the development that Toronto is doing (too much glass though) and thanks for Sending TD to save some of our Banks!

Daft, you does confuse me when yuh type dat,,,to be fair canada is actually kinda the opposite of what allyuh republicans does uphold as friendly
Strict regulatory banking laws, high tax rates....even the steamwhistle whey yuh did enjoy, is sold out of government run liquor stores
I agree with yuh tho, too much shitty glass condos blightin the downtown landscape

Business safe? true,, but this place seems to be the antithesis of the republican free market business paradigm

That said,,,Florida still sucks
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Bourbon on September 28, 2012, 06:07:15 AM
I getting ideas for our own elections from this:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2012/sep/28/samuel-l-jackson-obama-video?newsfeed=true

Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: AirMan on September 28, 2012, 07:00:07 AM
man as of right now it looking like another landslide victory for Obama. that 47% comment really hurting Romney
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: asylumseeker on September 28, 2012, 08:40:16 AM
man as of right now it looking like another landslide victory for Obama. that 47% comment really hurting Romney

In this race, Romney always would make his bed and dismantle it. The race isn't over yet, but I'll submit that once past the Republican primaries, Romney has been somewhat formidable as an opponent. Yeah, he's made gaffes, but these have largely been those tied to his obvious detachment regarding issues of how the "99%" lives. No surprise there.

His biggest challenge will always be his Achilles heel: what are his convictions outside of economic and financial considerations?
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: ZANDOLIE on September 28, 2012, 09:21:58 AM

In this race, Romney always would make his bed and dismantle it. The race isn't over yet, but I'll submit that once past the Republican primaries, Romney has been somewhat formidable as an opponent. Yeah, he's made gaffes, but these have largely been those tied to his obvious detachment regarding issues of how the "99%" lives. No surprise there.

His biggest challenge will always be his Achilles heel: what are his convictions outside of economic and financial considerations?

To paraphrase...an election is no place to discuss personal convictions, economic or otherwise. Ask Ron Paul. And I would hardly call Rummy a formidable opponent so far. I see polls reflecting a president struggling with daunting challenges, not a formidable challenger.  Not to say he can't be formidable, he just ain't been formidable.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Bakes on September 28, 2012, 09:35:53 AM

To paraphrase...an election is no place to discuss personal convictions, economic or otherwise. Ask Ron Paul. And I would hardly call Rummy a formidable opponent so far. I see polls reflecting a president struggling with daunting challenges, not a formidable challenger.  Not to say he can't be formidable, he just ain't been formidable.


Certainly not since the conventions... if anything he has slipped even further behind since then.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: ZANDOLIE on September 28, 2012, 11:44:01 AM
And Bakes I might even argue that the razed ground of the republican race left him somewhat limited. He can't push too hard on the right to differentiate himself because he maintained a centrist stance in the repub campaign and can is vulnerable to accusations of flip flopping vis-vis the 'Etch-a-sketch' gaffe.

Assylumseeker is correct in one regard. Mitt's does not speak to or resonate with the people in 2012.  His only national conversation seems to be with his fundraisers. And to make matters worse he facking up nicely in front of them too.

This man is in desperate need of a Joe the Plumber type entity with which to crystallize the hopes and fears of the electorate. Dirty Harry's 'chair' just eh cutting it.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: truetrini on September 28, 2012, 09:59:30 PM
The whole f**king world enthralled with US elections...anybody apart from Canadians even know without googling who de major players in Canadian politics are?

sometime I feel you is a wannebe Canadian. You always have something to say bout Canada.

Is like how War does always have negative comments about homosexuals. Makes you wonder.

Hmmm.  for that matter, you musbe be a closet theist.

BTW


Canada just ranked ahead of the US in "Economic Freedom"

Canada has taken its place among the Top 5 countries with the most economic freedom, according to a new Fraser Institute report — now leaps and bounds ahead of the United States thanks to the gradual shrinking of the Canadian government since the mid-1990s as America’s just got bigger.

The annual Economic Freedom of the World report, released Tuesday (Sep 18, 2012), has Canada tied in fifth place with Australia — up one spot from last year. Hong Kong remains at the top, Singapore’s next, then New Zealand.

Meanwhile, the United States, once a “standard bearer” of economic liberty among industrial nations, spiralled 10 spots from the 2011 rankings to 18th place — its lowest position ever, and a huge drop from its second place spot in 2000.

(http://nationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/na0918-economic-freedom150-copy1.jpg)

(http://nationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/na0918-economic-freedom15003.jpg)

That chart and study come like de one dat say T&T win best tourist award...doh put too much stock in that shit.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: truetrini on September 28, 2012, 10:00:59 PM
And Bakes I might even argue that the razed ground of the republican race left him somewhat limited. He can't push too hard on the right to differentiate himself because he maintained a centrist stance in the repub campaign and can is vulnerable to accusations of flip flopping vis-vis the 'Etch-a-sketch' gaffe.

Assylumseeker is correct in one regard. Mitt's does not speak to or resonate with the people in 2012.  His only national conversation seems to be with his fundraisers. And to make matters worse he facking up nicely in front of them too.

This man is in desperate need of a Joe the Plumber type entity with which to crystallize the hopes and fears of the electorate. Dirty Harry's 'chair' just eh cutting it.

all romney have to say is dat democrats advocating opening up the borders to canadians and yuh will see fall out ,,dems will be running scared.


Dutty..Florida sucks becasue of all de f**king Canuks and Brits flocking down here.  I made a Bumper sticker that said the only good Canadian is a north bound one.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Daft Trini on October 01, 2012, 03:14:09 PM
War get yuh phone  :rotfl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Bakes on October 01, 2012, 11:34:18 PM
War get yuh phone  :rotfl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio

To quote Samuel L. Jackson... "Wake the f**k up!"
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: JDB on October 02, 2012, 07:07:23 AM
American vets are finding jobs in Canadian Oilfields. Thanks to obama's 70,000 pages of regulations and an over increase of 1.7 trillion (including obamacare) in new regulatory cost, when he wins will inherit the greatest deficit and debt in US history coupled with the lowest start up businesses, failing energy production from reliable sources, far less industrial production and the highest tax increase in history! Did you see his explanation on Letterman about the Bond Market and the Debt and Deficit... this man is a joke with a capital "J"! Look how brilliant QE3 worked!

Canada is a great place to do business! Keep up the good work especially making good beer! (Steamwhistle  :beermug:) Love all the development that Toronto is doing (too much glass though) and thanks for Sending TD to save some of our Banks!

you do know that Canada has socialized medicine and much higher taxes than the US. Think about that every man jack pays a tax and everybody gets an opportunity to use the same health care. Rich people presumably don’t use this as they then have to to go and buy private insurance. So in effect the rich paying a health surcharge for a service that they don’t use. In the US they call that redistribution.

Also they have actaully increased taxes in response to the current economy and their budgetary needs, something that would never happen with  Republican controlled Senate, Congress or Presidency.

Also the oil production is a dopey comparison. The US produces twice as much oil as Canada, but Canada has 8 times the oil reserves of the US. Obviously Canada has more opportunities to grow as far as oil production.

When you hear fools like Paul Ryan talk about the US being “energy independent”  if they just “drill for more oil” know they telling the biggest LIE imaginable. The US only produces about 8% of the World’s oil. It uses more than a 25%.

There is no possibility of  drilling oil to satisfy the US domestic needs. Moreso oil is a commodity, drilled by the private free enterprise that allyuh love so much. Even if they could double the current output  it:

a)   would not be in anyones' financial interest to sell it domestically for cheap;
b)   would barely move the needle on the price of oil on the global market
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Controversial on October 02, 2012, 08:22:19 AM
the debate is tomorrow...

will be tuned in to see it, so far romney's wait and see approach will lose him this election, obama is making a 2nd rounds in the white house...

as for the argument about canada and the us, its rubbish because the border is coming down in the coming years and were heading for one currency with even closer relations, i have lived in both the us and canada and for the record, my friends in cali want to visit toronto and canada and the ones who have visited, love it and vice versa for my friends in toronto.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: ZANDOLIE on October 02, 2012, 12:10:44 PM
the debate is tomorrow...

will be tuned in to see it, so far romney's wait and see approach will lose him this election, obama is making a 2nd rounds in the white house...

as for the argument about canada and the us, its rubbish because the border is coming down in the coming years and were heading for one currency with even closer relations, i have lived in both the us and canada and for the record, my friends in cali want to visit toronto and canada and the ones who have visited, love it and vice versa for my friends in toronto.

lol, contro a presidential 'debate' is probably the worst way to judge a candidate. the only ones known to have a substantial impact on the outcome anyway were lincoln-douglas and nixon-jfk. but of couse the media builds it up because its tradition...and a ratings bonanza
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Controversial on October 02, 2012, 12:51:27 PM
the debate is tomorrow...

will be tuned in to see it, so far romney's wait and see approach will lose him this election, obama is making a 2nd rounds in the white house...

as for the argument about canada and the us, its rubbish because the border is coming down in the coming years and were heading for one currency with even closer relations, i have lived in both the us and canada and for the record, my friends in cali want to visit toronto and canada and the ones who have visited, love it and vice versa for my friends in toronto.

lol, contro a presidential 'debate' is probably the worst way to judge a candidate. the only ones known to have a substantial impact on the outcome anyway were lincoln-douglas and nixon-jfk. but of couse the media builds it up because its tradition...and a ratings bonanza

i agree but i love the verbal sparring and who can think on their toes, its great to see, i judge it on much deeper stuff bro than a debate, in all honesty, if i were to give many my opinion on the election they would disagree strongly and its not bc im talking garbage but because the political process is alot more complex than many think
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: asylumseeker on October 02, 2012, 01:41:23 PM

In this race, Romney always would make his bed and dismantle it. The race isn't over yet, but I'll submit that once past the Republican primaries, Romney has been somewhat formidable as an opponent. Yeah, he's made gaffes, but these have largely been those tied to his obvious detachment regarding issues of how the "99%" lives. No surprise there.

His biggest challenge will always be his Achilles heel: what are his convictions outside of economic and financial considerations?

To paraphrase...an election is no place to discuss personal convictions, economic or otherwise. Ask Ron Paul. And I would hardly call Rummy a formidable opponent so far. I see polls reflecting a president struggling with daunting challenges, not a formidable challenger.  Not to say he can't be formidable, he just ain't been formidable.


1. Disagree. Personal conviction has a place in politics and at the ballot. Voters prefer when candidates are forthcoming as to their personal positions and voters appreciate candidates who serve transparency by expressing distinct lines between their personal convictions and their public policy preferences. Thoughtful candidates can achieve both without sacrificing either their integrity or sucess on the ballot.

Ron Paul is probably not the best example because his platform lacks multiple dimensions. As such, it's either love him or hate him as he's judged primarily on his advocacy for retracting America's engagement with the rest of the world. Although that sells in certain localities, it's not a sustainable vision of America's future among thoughtful consumers (voters). Most of those calling for America to withdraw from this and that ... don't understand the world we live in and fail to appreciate that the U.S. has a multiplicity of overlapping foreign policy interests that may seem conflicting, but are in essence effective checks and balances in hotbeds abroad.

2. Formidable Romney? Yes. The President has had to work hard to pushback a tide of disillusion with his administration. A more humane, sensitized Romney would kick Obama's ass.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Bakes on October 02, 2012, 05:36:39 PM
2. Formidable Romney? Yes. The President has had to work hard to pushback a tide of disillusion with his administration. A more humane, sensitized Romney would kick Obama's ass.

 unicorn probably would as well... unfortunately no such mythical beast exists therefore inaccurate to describe Romney as "formidable".  The obstacles presented by the President's record might be formidable... his opponent, not so much.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: asylumseeker on October 02, 2012, 09:17:08 PM
2. Formidable Romney? Yes. The President has had to work hard to pushback a tide of disillusion with his administration. A more humane, sensitized Romney would kick Obama's ass.

 unicorn probably would as well... unfortunately no such mythical beast exists therefore inaccurate to describe Romney as "formidable".  The obstacles presented by the President's record might be formidable... his opponent, not so much.

Let's try this:

Formidable Romney? Yes. The President has had to work hard to pushback a tide of disillusion with his administration. [end of separate and complete thought]

A more humane, sensitized Romney would kick Obama's ass. [end of separate and complete thought]

Clearly I recognize that no such animal exists, but the point of proffering that was to underscore that Mr. Romney has been more than a worrying chore for the WH, despite his deficiencies.

###

While the polls (and reality) suggest that Romney is in trouble today, his campaign has been fairly tight and challenging to the White House up until recently such that no significant presumption favoring the incumbent WH could be made. The wall he has hit is of his own making ... rather than of an illuminating Obama campaign that has exposed him. Having stated that, the President has been shrewd in his individual delivery and characterization of Romney without getting bogged down with electoral weeds around his stately, presidential ankles that would/could diminish his standing as POTUS.

I'm looking at Romney as a comprehensive candidate through the primaries and post-primaries. And, I'm including in my assessment his trajectory and accomplishments as a candidate over more than one election cycle ... because these factored into his projection as the presumptive Republican nominee way before he was named.

The WH has been running against him for a considerable period of time and his composite of a candidate has prevented the WH from paving a smooth path to re-election ... until more recently as perceived in some circles.

In a state like North Carolina, Romney achieved favorable movement that eluded others of his ilk. Again I say, he's made gaffes, but until the present ... none of his gaffes or obvious liabilities has served to derail or permanently undermine his candidacy. He's been persistent. And effective.

Today I heard of a 15% gap  (favoring Obama) in one poll, but polling (internal and external) mere weeks ago showed no such distinction.

Perhaps we're using differing definitional lenses. To be formidable Mr. Romney need not be riding neck and neck with Obama in each poll. To be formidable he must have a frustrating impact on how the WH configures getting to the magic number in the electoral college ... and my contention is that Romney has challenged the WH in its calculus of the electoral college map more than has been conceded.

The # of visits by the candidates to certain states supports this ... think electoral college.

Other than that, I "see" why "formidable" could be perceived as too generous.


Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: warmonga on October 04, 2012, 02:16:23 PM
War get yuh phone  :rotfl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio
LMFAO ... I guess dias one of the 47% I wonder if Jesc**t get he phone yet......

war
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: warmonga on October 04, 2012, 02:25:29 PM
This shit is Just Funny.. this is what Obama supporters sounds like..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeJbOU4nmHQ&feature=related


War
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: asylumseeker on October 15, 2012, 10:55:57 AM
Yuh know hatred and free speech are alive when yuh see a car with the following: an American flag sticker, a Buck Ofama sticker and a I'll take the Mormon over the moron sticker.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: ZANDOLIE on October 16, 2012, 01:56:41 PM
Yuh know hatred and free speech are alive when yuh see a car with the following: an American flag sticker, a Buck Ofama sticker and a I'll take the Mormon over the moron sticker.

Lol, remember the Buck Fush bumper stickers and t-shirts at the end of the Dubya era? And 'He's still not my president' buttons. The american public has treated this president with far greater respect than the political class and their ashkenazi masters.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: ZANDOLIE on October 16, 2012, 02:59:08 PM

Ron Paul is probably not the best example because his platform lacks multiple dimensions. As such, it's either love him or hate him as he's judged primarily on his advocacy for retracting America's engagement with the rest of the world. Although that sells in certain localities, it's not a sustainable vision of America's future among thoughtful consumers (voters). Most of those calling for America to withdraw from this and that ... don't understand the world we live in and fail to appreciate that the U.S. has a multiplicity of overlapping foreign policy interests that may seem conflicting, but are in essence effective checks and balances in hotbeds abroad.

2. Formidable Romney? Yes. The President has had to work hard to pushback a tide of disillusion with his administration. A more humane, sensitized Romney would kick Obama's ass.

Paul may be 'judged' on his advocacy of withdrawl but its certainly not his only policy, nor is it lacking dimesnsion. Non-entanglement can certainly serve to advance national interest, as it had been in previous eras, eras in which the U.S. economy and standing in the world grew more rapidly than any nation in history.

On the other hand aggressive pursuit of foreign policy interests within the last 10 years led to shocking decimation of the country's economic and security base, and encouraged the expansion of far less interventionist challengers like China etc.

And as for protecting interests....exactly who benefits, and what are the structural distributions of these benefits from adventures in these 'hotbeds' that are so costly in terms of expenditure and lives? 

Increasingly, and blatantly so, the policy direction and hence, the dividends, from U.S. excursions and pacification of hotbeds appear to be flowing in one ethnic direction...When the most influential lobby group in U.S. politics comes from a foreign nation its time to recognize that current american foreign policy may not be in the direct interest of the american people. This, IS a substantive issue, but don't expect to hear that on CNN, FOX, CBS, NBC, or any mainstream print/information/entertainment outlet.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: asylumseeker on October 17, 2012, 07:00:27 AM

Ron Paul is probably not the best example because his platform lacks multiple dimensions. As such, it's either love him or hate him as he's judged primarily on his advocacy for retracting America's engagement with the rest of the world. Although that sells in certain localities, it's not a sustainable vision of America's future among thoughtful consumers (voters). Most of those calling for America to withdraw from this and that ... don't understand the world we live in and fail to appreciate that the U.S. has a multiplicity of overlapping foreign policy interests that may seem conflicting, but are in essence effective checks and balances in hotbeds abroad.

2. Formidable Romney? Yes. The President has had to work hard to pushback a tide of disillusion with his administration. A more humane, sensitized Romney would kick Obama's ass.

Paul may be 'judged' on his advocacy of withdrawl but its certainly not his only policy, nor is it lacking dimesnsion. Non-entanglement can certainly serve to advance national interest, as it had been in previous eras, eras in which the U.S. economy and standing in the world grew more rapidly than any nation in history.

On the other hand aggressive pursuit of foreign policy interests within the last 10 years led to shocking decimation of the country's economic and security base, and encouraged the expansion of far less interventionist challengers like China etc.

And as for protecting interests....exactly who benefits, and what are the structural distributions of these benefits from adventures in these 'hotbeds' that are so costly in terms of expenditure and lives? 

Increasingly, and blatantly so, the policy direction and hence, the dividends, from U.S. excursions and pacification of hotbeds appear to be flowing in one ethnic direction...When the most influential lobby group in U.S. politics comes from a foreign nation its time to recognize that current american foreign policy may not be in the direct interest of the american people. This, IS a substantive issue, but don't expect to hear that on CNN, FOX, CBS, NBC, or any mainstream print/information/entertainment outlet.

Fertile response ... let's start with the part in bold. State the name. ::)
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: kaliman2006 on October 17, 2012, 07:30:47 AM

Ron Paul is probably not the best example because his platform lacks multiple dimensions. As such, it's either love him or hate him as he's judged primarily on his advocacy for retracting America's engagement with the rest of the world. Although that sells in certain localities, it's not a sustainable vision of America's future among thoughtful consumers (voters). Most of those calling for America to withdraw from this and that ... don't understand the world we live in and fail to appreciate that the U.S. has a multiplicity of overlapping foreign policy interests that may seem conflicting, but are in essence effective checks and balances in hotbeds abroad.

2. Formidable Romney? Yes. The President has had to work hard to pushback a tide of disillusion with his administration. A more humane, sensitized Romney would kick Obama's ass.

Paul may be 'judged' on his advocacy of withdrawl but its certainly not his only policy, nor is it lacking dimesnsion. Non-entanglement can certainly serve to advance national interest, as it had been in previous eras, eras in which the U.S. economy and standing in the world grew more rapidly than any nation in history.

On the other hand aggressive pursuit of foreign policy interests within the last 10 years led to shocking decimation of the country's economic and security base, and encouraged the expansion of far less interventionist challengers like China etc.

And as for protecting interests....exactly who benefits, and what are the structural distributions of these benefits from adventures in these 'hotbeds' that are so costly in terms of expenditure and lives? 

Increasingly, and blatantly so, the policy direction and hence, the dividends, from U.S. excursions and pacification of hotbeds appear to be flowing in one ethnic direction...When the most influential lobby group in U.S. politics comes from a foreign nation its time to recognize that current american foreign policy may not be in the direct interest of the american people. This, IS a substantive issue, but don't expect to hear that on CNN, FOX, CBS, NBC, or any mainstream print/information/entertainment outlet.

Fertile response ... let's start with the part in bold. State the name. ::)

Assuming that Zandolie lives in the US, Yuh wah de man lorse he wuk or wha?

 ;D

EDIT: This is assuming that Zandolie is a male. My apologies ladies. That is the closet chauvinist in me.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: kaliman2006 on October 17, 2012, 07:38:19 AM
On a more substantive note, I am wondering why President Obama did not challenge Governor Romney more forcefully on his time at Bain Capital and ask him to defend his record at that company, given the accusations leveled against him with regard to outsourcing?

Is anyone else wondering the same thing?
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Dutty on October 17, 2012, 09:02:51 AM
On a more substantive note, I am wondering why President Obama did not challenge Governor Romney more forcefully on his time at Bain Capital and ask him to defend his record at that company, given the accusations leveled against him with regard to outsourcing?

Is anyone else wondering the same thing?

I was concerned about a more serious issue, like why ann romney where the same colour and style suit as michelle obama las night
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: ZANDOLIE on October 17, 2012, 09:03:43 AM

Ron Paul is probably not the best example because his platform lacks multiple dimensions. As such, it's either love him or hate him as he's judged primarily on his advocacy for retracting America's engagement with the rest of the world. Although that sells in certain localities, it's not a sustainable vision of America's future among thoughtful consumers (voters). Most of those calling for America to withdraw from this and that ... don't understand the world we live in and fail to appreciate that the U.S. has a multiplicity of overlapping foreign policy interests that may seem conflicting, but are in essence effective checks and balances in hotbeds abroad.

2. Formidable Romney? Yes. The President has had to work hard to pushback a tide of disillusion with his administration. A more humane, sensitized Romney would kick Obama's ass.

Paul may be 'judged' on his advocacy of withdrawl but its certainly not his only policy, nor is it lacking dimesnsion. Non-entanglement can certainly serve to advance national interest, as it had been in previous eras, eras in which the U.S. economy and standing in the world grew more rapidly than any nation in history.

On the other hand aggressive pursuit of foreign policy interests within the last 10 years led to shocking decimation of the country's economic and security base, and encouraged the expansion of far less interventionist challengers like China etc.

And as for protecting interests....exactly who benefits, and what are the structural distributions of these benefits from adventures in these 'hotbeds' that are so costly in terms of expenditure and lives? 

Increasingly, and blatantly so, the policy direction and hence, the dividends, from U.S. excursions and pacification of hotbeds appear to be flowing in one ethnic direction...When the most influential lobby group in U.S. politics comes from a foreign nation its time to recognize that current american foreign policy may not be in the direct interest of the american people. This, IS a substantive issue, but don't expect to hear that on CNN, FOX, CBS, NBC, or any mainstream print/information/entertainment outlet.

Fertile response ... let's start with the part in bold. State the name. ::)

Steups....doh play dumb  ;D  AIPAC has been largely responsible for moving massive amounts of money, loan guarantees, aid and defence spending in to the tune of over 100,000,000,000 dollars to Israel. Also largely through the efforts of AIPAC, Israel recieves vastly preferential military and industrial tech sharing and arms sales concessions. The U.S. also restricts trade, loans, and military aid to other nations so that Israel maintains a competitive military advantage. The U.S. tows the Israeli line on foreign policy and at least 100 foreign policy bills and resolutios are advanced by AIPAC ANNUALLY in the house. In conjunction most of the largest donors to U.S. presidential election campaigns are closely associated with AIPAC. Sheldon Adelson recently threatened to donate $200,000,000 to make sure Obama is not re-elected. Adelson is a U.S. citizen. But he is also a citizen of Israel and it is well known the vast majority of his charitable donations (in the hundreds of millions of dollars) are allocated stictly to jewish/israeli causes. So here we have a citizen of a foreign land, by all accounts with deep political ties and loyalties to that land, openly threatening to use money to manipulate the outcome of U.S. elections. One could even argue that Israel has become a closer ally than NATO, but through Israeli, not American self interest.

So what do you really think is the driving force behind the U.S. hard line stance in Iran? Do you think the embattled U.S. public wants yet ANOTHER war in the middle east? This specific type of posturing may well be in the best interests of Israel, but in the long run, is it in the best interest of the American people and the international community?

Admittedly my puny knowledge of U.S. politics is severely lacking. But I do think that a case could and should be made for a re-examination of policy and what 'withdrawl' actually means.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: warmonga on October 17, 2012, 09:05:01 AM
On a more substantive note, I am wondering why President Obama did not challenge Governor Romney more forcefully on his time at Bain Capital and ask him to defend his record at that company, given the accusations leveled against him with regard to outsourcing?

Is anyone else wondering the same thing?

I was concerned about a more serious issue, like why ann romney where the same colour and style suit as michelle obama las night
me too except  I was wondering why Michelle was wearing the same thing ann wearing?

war
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Dutty on October 17, 2012, 09:09:45 AM
Zando, all da Jason Bourne trainin dey teach yuh in de corp. go be put to good use when de mossad come knockin on yuh door this week.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: lefty on October 17, 2012, 09:15:23 AM
Zando, all da Jason Bourne trainin dey teach yuh in de corp. go be put to good use when de mossad come knockin on yuh door this week.

haaaaaaaaahaha.........Jason Bourne.....steups  :rotfl: dutty.......hmmmmm
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: ZANDOLIE on October 17, 2012, 09:24:51 AM
Zando, all da Jason Bourne trainin dey teach yuh in de corp. go be put to good use when de mossad come knockin on yuh door this week.

Lol. They cyah touch me here in my fortified underground bunker with my tin hat on, eating a can of beans, and rocking back and forth with a shotgun on my knees  ;D
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Daft Trini on October 18, 2012, 07:21:44 PM
Snl's take on the first debate  :beermug:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tO2JVacQdMY#!

 The VP Debate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Mv8mD0zUrs&feature=related
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Daft Trini on October 19, 2012, 12:10:22 AM
The Alfred E. Smith memorial dinner

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/SmithM
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: AirMan on October 19, 2012, 06:40:46 AM
Obama holds his lead in Iowa, Wisconsin

With fewer than three weeks until Election Day, new NBC News/Wall Street Journal/Marist polls show President Barack Obama maintaining his lead over Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney in the battleground states of Iowa and Wisconsin.

According to the polls – which were conducted from Monday through Wednesday, encompassing Tuesday’s presidential debate in New York and after – Obama receives the support of 51 percent of likely voters in Iowa to Romney’s 43 percent.

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/18/14542135-polls-obama-holds-his-lead-in-iowa-wisconsin?lite
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Daft Trini on October 21, 2012, 11:09:48 AM
SNL Spoofs the 2nd Debate  :rotfl:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/snl-spoofs-second-presidential-debate-video-155621532--election.html
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: D.H.W on October 25, 2012, 08:43:00 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/yTCRwi71_ns
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Tallman on October 27, 2012, 07:41:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/JUc0i41S5lM
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Andre on October 29, 2012, 02:16:27 PM
good poll of polls here - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19415745

if i had to put money down, i would say romney winning.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: warmonga on October 30, 2012, 01:15:17 AM
good poll of polls here - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19415745

if i had to put money down, i would say romney winning.

after digging deep and weighting the facts from either side I believe Obama will be gaven a second term . some of the reasons I believe Obama will win is
Obama love faggots and romney hates them.
America is a faggot country
American has proven they are not the smartest in the world when they gave the jackass Bush a second term
Many of Obama supporters aint know jack shit about Politics
Many of obama Supporters realise that Politicians dont gave a f**k about anyone but themselves and voting Just because Obama tells a better story Than Romney
After hearing both sides I will firmly say Obama tells a better story than Romney and will be the winner of this election. I did tell my wife it will take two terms for him to fix the country, After his first two years of presidency I Know it will take him another 10 terms to realise he is the  leader of the greatest country in the world and not a follower. I wish if the man win a second term he grow sum facking balls and act like a man and dont cry bout " congress  eh allowing me to do nothing "...
Good luck to both Obama and Romney to me it dont matter who win or loose I go still get shaft cause Politician dont gave a f**k about no one but themselves....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqHve_h013U
war
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: asylumseeker on October 30, 2012, 08:47:49 AM
good poll of polls here - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19415745

if i had to put money down, i would say romney winning.

after digging deep and weighting the facts from either side I believe Obama will be gaven a second term . some of the reasons I believe Obama will win is
Obama love faggots and romney hates them.
America is a faggot country
American has proven they are not the smartest in the world when they gave the jackass Bush a second term
Many of Obama supporters aint know jack shit about Politics
Many of obama Supporters realise that Politicians dont gave a f**k about anyone but themselves and voting Just because Obama tells a better story Than Romney
After hearing both sides I will firmly say Obama tells a better story than Romney and will be the winner of this election. I did tell my wife it will take two terms for him to fix the country, After his first two years of presidency I Know it will take him another 10 terms to realise he is the  leader of the greatest country in the world and not a follower. I wish if the man win a second term he grow sum facking balls and act like a man and dont cry bout " congress  eh allowing me to do nothing "...
Good luck to both Obama and Romney to me it dont matter who win or loose I go still get shaft cause Politician dont gave a f**k about no one but themselves....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqHve_h013U
war


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Yuh went and see Ms. Cleo?
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Andre on October 30, 2012, 09:49:10 AM
warmonga,

wha yuh smokin or drinkin boy?

babash and ganja doh mix eh.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Deeks on October 30, 2012, 11:02:33 AM
War, you is the f--kin bess      :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: lefty on October 30, 2012, 03:19:08 PM
well it look like dey (the media) rippin romney ah new ass pipe for his reaction to the storm's aftermath (too political) and some "boldfaced lie" not my words about chrysler exportin jobs to China
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Andre on October 31, 2012, 10:39:15 AM
well it look like dey (the media) rippin romney ah new ass pipe for his reaction to the storm's aftermath (too political) and some "boldfaced lie" not my words about chrysler exportin jobs to China

what media? not fox!!

if i was both ah dem, i would be in NYC helping with flood relief efforts and streaming it on the web.

"watch mih help allyuh!"
Title: Re: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: D.H.W on October 31, 2012, 11:16:18 AM
well it look like dey (the media) rippin romney ah new ass pipe for his reaction to the storm's aftermath (too political) and some "boldfaced lie" not my words about chrysler exportin jobs to China

what media? not fox!!

if i was both ah dem, i would be in NYC helping with flood relief efforts and streaming it on the web.

"watch mih help allyuh!"

Obama already on that.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: AirMan on November 01, 2012, 08:28:05 AM

Latest Presidential Polls: Obama Widens Lead Over Romney In Electoral Votes



Presidential poll results released on Thursday, Nov. 1, indicate that President Barack Obama is successfully, and dramatically, widening his lead over Republican candidate Mitt Romney for the seat in the White House. 
On the basis of Electoral College votes and according to projected numbers on PollTracker through Thursday morning, President Obama has a popular percentage of 47.4 and 303 projected electoral votes. In comparison, Romney has a popular percentage of 46.4 and 191 projected electoral votes.

Read more at http://www.enstarz.com/articles/8776/20121101/latest-presidential-polls-obama-lead-romney-electoral-votes.htm#vtRY2cIiTBXIR9Hx.99
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: pecan on November 01, 2012, 08:51:43 AM
Intrade have Obama futures trading $6.65 / share.

http://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/contract/?contractId=743474
(http://d1m4lpsf3lzgpi.cloudfront.net/imagecache/?&imageCacheGroupId=intradeV4contractCP&contractId=743474&width=296&height=144)

If Obama wins, the shares will be worth $10 each.

Romney trading at $3.36

(http://d1m4lpsf3lzgpi.cloudfront.net/imagecache/?&imageCacheGroupId=intradeV4contractCP&contractId=743475&width=296&height=144)

http://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/contract/?contractId=743475


In other words, the 66% of the folks who trading in these markets feel that Obama go win.


Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: elan on November 01, 2012, 10:29:41 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/gQRqihex6gg
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Brownsugar on November 03, 2012, 05:09:49 AM
Obama will win because Nate Silver say so.....

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/ (http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/)

Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: D.H.W on November 04, 2012, 07:09:01 PM
check out seal team 6 on NGC now . it started at 9pm
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: AirMan on November 06, 2012, 11:54:44 AM

21 Moments that defined the campaign and America


Remember Clint Eastwood’s empty chair? Romney’s Etch A Sketch moment? Obama’s disastrous first debate?
The 2012 presidential race has been filled with stomach-clenching gaffes, dumb tactical goofs, nail-biting close calls and, of course, Big Bird.

http://myvoicetv.net/21-moments-that-defined-the-campaign-and-america/ :o
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Bakes on November 06, 2012, 01:02:49 PM
Well I did my part... pleasantly surprised that I didn't have to deal with any lines.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: davyjenny1 on November 06, 2012, 01:08:21 PM
And i did my part as well @ 7:15 am pac.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Peong on November 06, 2012, 03:19:33 PM
Once Romney's machines work, he have this in the bag.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Bourbon on November 06, 2012, 03:40:53 PM
http://tv.msnbc.com/2012/11/06/machine-turns-vote-for-obama-into-one-for-romney/
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: D.H.W on November 06, 2012, 04:21:02 PM
Romney OUT!!!
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Brownsugar on November 06, 2012, 08:23:14 PM
Aye, aye.....nobody eh following the race or what??   :-\
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Bourbon on November 06, 2012, 08:35:24 PM
^^^ If you are...from what I see..NBC have the quickest updates.


Obama was lagging....now he ahead 158 to 153 at the time of this post. We'll see how it goes. Ahead in Ohio...was ahead in FL.....now its a dead heat with 81% of the vote in from FL.

Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Brownsugar on November 06, 2012, 08:54:35 PM
I switched to all kinda channel before I settled on NBC as well......FL playing the fool as usual but I just waiting on Ohio right now.  Once they call Ohio game over for Romney....
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: JDB on November 06, 2012, 09:05:55 PM
The closeness of the race in FL bodes well,for Obama. If he is as competitive as the current totals show it means Romney will have a hard time in Ohio and Colorado

Also states that the Republicans had outside hopes of taking like PA, NH and WI have gone Obama very comfortably.

If Romney loses FL this is over
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Bourbon on November 06, 2012, 09:07:43 PM
The closeness of the race in FL bodes well,for Obama. If he is as competitive as the current totals show it means Romney will have a hard time in Ohio and Colorado

Also states that the Republicans had outside hopes of taking like PA, NH and WI have gone Obama very comfortably.

If Romney loses FL this is over


And it looks like he might. 86% of the vote in...50% Obama....49% Romney.
Ohio...Obama ahead by about the same margin.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: JDB on November 06, 2012, 09:12:11 PM
The closeness of the race in FL bodes well,for Obama. If he is as competitive as the current totals show it means Romney will have a hard time in Ohio and Colorado

Also states that the Republicans had outside hopes of taking like PA, NH and WI have gone Obama very comfortably.

If Romney loses FL this is over

And it looks like he might. 86% of the vote in...50% Obama....49% Romney.
Ohio...Obama ahead by about the same margin.


Yeah but them things does flip easy as counties come in. I think is Obama gets up to a 200,000 lead in Ohio it is a good sign.

Senate races also interesting.

Dems pick up MA and IN from Republicans and yuh could add Leiberman seat, which was pretty much Republican/Independent, which Linda McMahon just lost.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Brownsugar on November 06, 2012, 09:13:35 PM
I think the areas still outstanding in FL are predominantly Democrat....
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: D.H.W on November 06, 2012, 09:26:37 PM
If he takes Florida and Ohio race done
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: D.H.W on November 06, 2012, 09:37:20 PM
BBC "At #Romney HQ TV screens explain he needs to win FL OH VA CO to take WH; near silence on floor" - @JonnyDymond http://bbc.in/SU0Aup
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: g on November 06, 2012, 09:53:41 PM
Obama leading by 90k votes in Ohio with about 80 percent of votes in on CNN
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: fari on November 06, 2012, 10:03:10 PM
from npr   obama 234  romney 193
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: fari on November 06, 2012, 10:13:59 PM
he just carry ohio...boom!
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: just cool on November 06, 2012, 10:14:32 PM
Obama won!!! :applause: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: D.H.W on November 06, 2012, 10:20:16 PM
f**k U ROMNEY !
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: just cool on November 06, 2012, 10:22:42 PM
Weh warmonger? he mustbe under sat's ball sack giving it ah thorough cleaning, when he's done inform him of the bad news.  :devil:
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: elan on November 06, 2012, 10:30:22 PM
Daft finish campaigning? Hope he could write off that SuperPac money in he taxes.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: just cool on November 06, 2012, 10:33:55 PM
Not so fast, just heard on MSNBC that they called Ohio way too early, and now they are reconsidering the results.  drama. :cursing:
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: D.H.W on November 06, 2012, 10:36:33 PM
Fawks News clinging to straws now  :P
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: just cool on November 06, 2012, 10:37:03 PM
Fackin carl rove!!! these white good ole boys is real fackin stinkers yes.  MSNBC drama!
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: D.H.W on November 06, 2012, 10:41:02 PM
Like BBC say it doesnt matter what happens in Ohio now , cause Obama still have others states coming in , he could reach 300+ . Fox just cah take that loss lol  :devil:
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: D.H.W on November 06, 2012, 10:45:15 PM
Obama running away with it now
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Brownsugar on November 06, 2012, 10:46:56 PM
Like BBC say it doesnt matter what happens in Ohio now , cause Obama still have others states coming in , he could reach 300+ . Fox just cah take that loss lol  :devil:

NBC explaining why they called Ohio.  The area that is still outstanding is predominantly Democrat.  No way Romney could win there....poor Fox......tsk, tsk, tsk.  The black guy in their face again....

<<<<<BOOM>>>>>
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: MEP on November 06, 2012, 10:56:46 PM
Oh lawd ..ah good night....ah even watchin Faux News
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: pecan on November 06, 2012, 11:01:40 PM
here are two quotes from Fox News shortly after Obama reach 273 electoral votes

1) "... defies history"
2) "... manages to cobble together 270 votes needed to win"

ha  ha. "Cobble together" said when it was 273-201
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Bitter on November 06, 2012, 11:02:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/_H1nGEadNtI
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: truetrini on November 06, 2012, 11:18:26 PM
Weh warmonger? he mustbe under sat's ball sack giving it ah thorough cleaning, when he's done inform him of the bad news.  :devil:

hahahahahahaha
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: truetrini on November 06, 2012, 11:24:25 PM
This thread had one setta ass talk Hope de contributors to the shit make amends and repent.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: MEP on November 06, 2012, 11:35:53 PM
This thread had one setta ass talk Hope de contributors to the shit make amends and repent.

nah is ok we jes movin FORWARD
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: ZANDOLIE on November 06, 2012, 11:41:01 PM
Hard luck Mittens. Maybe it was a blessing in disguise. President Hussein have to put down REAL WUK to put the USA back on track. And the Republic**ts won't make it easy. Serious obstruction ahead.

Will be very interesting to see how developments in the middle east play out under this scenario.

Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: truetrini on November 06, 2012, 11:41:45 PM
Thank you Virginia and Florida!
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: ZANDOLIE on November 06, 2012, 11:46:56 PM
Thank you Virginia and Florida!
All the olde talk about romney nailing florida...Al Gore must be laughing his ass off
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: ZANDOLIE on November 06, 2012, 11:54:16 PM
De Guv'na about to make his concession speech.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Deeks on November 06, 2012, 11:57:27 PM
This thread had one setta ass talk Hope de contributors to the shit make amends and repent.

nah we overs that, let's move on.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: D.H.W on November 07, 2012, 12:03:51 AM
Nice speech Romney.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: truetrini on November 07, 2012, 12:08:09 AM
Thank you Virginia and Florida!
All the olde talk about romney nailing florida...Al Gore must be laughing his ass off


doh sleep on Virginia now.

I work my ass off getting the vote out....not to mention all de Republican attempts to hamper minority and democrat voting......AGAIN!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Bakes on November 07, 2012, 12:08:29 AM
Nice speech Romney.
Let him haul he pandering so and so.  He's despicable... no matter how he tries to dress it up.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Bitter on November 07, 2012, 12:28:53 AM
Thank you Virginia and Florida!
All the olde talk about romney nailing florida...Al Gore must be laughing his ass off


doh sleep on Virginia now.

I work my ass off getting the vote out....not to mention all de Republican attempts to hamper minority and democrat voting......AGAIN!!!!!!!


From the time I see CNN call Tim Kaine for the senate, I tell my partner Obama win VA and the news channels just stretching out this Ohio/Florida thing to make for good tv.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: ZANDOLIE on November 07, 2012, 12:59:07 AM
POTUS on fire!
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Mango Chow! on November 07, 2012, 03:05:59 AM
congratulations to all the obama supporters.  condolences to all the Obama haters. (romney supporters don't matter at this time.) *snickerin*  ;D
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: D.H.W on November 07, 2012, 04:57:13 AM
Big bird wins another four years
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: lefty on November 07, 2012, 06:12:09 AM
checked it out on MSNBC, well kinda jumped between dat and covert affairs :D , thought the race would be closer.......but.......I get the general impression dat unless Dems do real shit in d next four years Repubs go hadda low d biggots, xenophobe, and selfishly rich and rebrand deyself to have a chance.....

on a side note black republicans does look awkward and uncomfortable when dey reppin d party........at atleast on MSNBC (ah know dey pro dems) it was just kinda strikin
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Jumbie on November 07, 2012, 06:18:28 AM
Was it ever as close as the media was hyping it to be the last couple weeks?

Congrats to Mr Obama on winning another term... hoping he can stabilize that US dollar a bit and make it as the old days when it was stronger than the loonie. Gosh I miss those days.


Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Dutty on November 07, 2012, 07:04:27 AM
Was it ever as close as the media was hyping it to be the last couple weeks?

Congrats to Mr Obama on winning another term... hoping he can stabilize that US dollar a bit and make it as the old days when it was stronger than the loonie. Gosh I miss those days.


Ent!! ah thnk was brownie who post dat nate silver fellah... imagine ah number crunchin nerd with ah laptop call de shot long time and million dollar pundits cyah make
ah have ah bredrin livin chicago...he say he hear plenty tassa music and dancehall blastin from warmonga house las night

two billion dollars?...most expensive telenovella everrrr
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: warmonga on November 07, 2012, 08:23:57 AM
Congrats to Obama and his suppoters . Unfortunately I see another four years of Blame it on Bush and The republicans . You can't have a democratic president sorrounded by republicans. Obama might have good taughts for this country but his party is in worst shape than it was when he was elected for his first term.. again congrats to team Obama and his supporters unfortunately it will be anothe 4 years of bare pressure...
war
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Controversial on November 07, 2012, 08:29:10 AM
from the time you guys started this thread i said he would be re-elected... so said so done, i didn't need a formula for that, like nate lol :D
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Andre on November 07, 2012, 09:11:22 AM
this shock me. i thought romney woulda have it given that obama wasn't able to clean up bush mess and the global economic meltdown.



Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Bitter on November 07, 2012, 09:29:12 AM
The 538 blog and others like it provided a fascinating window into the numbers and what they mean. To me it was less about the map and the colours and more about what and how. The mere fact that people were online discussing the difference between probability and prediction was interesting. Nate's final predictions were always more conservative than the other stat/polling sites.

If you want to check those out:
http://votamatic.org/
http://election.princeton.edu/
http://research.uvu.edu/DeSart/forecasting/index.html
http://electoral-vote.com/
http://www.predictwise.com/



Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: davyjenny1 on November 07, 2012, 09:30:40 AM
this shock me. i thought romney woulda have it given that obama wasn't able to clean up bush mess and the global economic meltdown.





Obama and his team knew that they couldn't clean up Bush mess in the first four years and the next four will be very tough as well, bush mess up this Country really bad and it will take at least a decade i think, to come out of this situation just like Jack did to the TTFF.  The tough journey ahead is far and wide..
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: 1-868 on November 07, 2012, 10:29:49 AM
Sandy and Christie have played part in this victory.. but it boiled down to OLD ANGRY WHITE MEN vs The rest.. times have changed in the US & A  :beermug:
Title: Re: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: D.H.W on November 07, 2012, 10:40:34 AM
this shock me. i thought romney woulda have it given that obama wasn't able to clean up bush mess and the global economic meltdown.

4 years ain't enough to clean up that shit. Also the unemployment rate has dropped from 9 to 7 percent during his first term. So at least he could say something working.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: D.H.W on November 07, 2012, 10:45:20 AM
Them Republicans have to do a total revamp, or else is more salt. Them f**kers like some dumb hicks.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Bakes on November 07, 2012, 11:07:41 AM
Sandy and Christie have played part in this victory.. but it boiled down to OLD ANGRY WHITE MEN vs The rest.. times have changed in the US & A  :beermug:
Absolutely... and I think those who are saying "media hype it up to make it closer" are ignoring these two factors.  Sandy gave Obama a significant point of departure from Romney... yes the economy was the number one factor, but the scale and scope of government was as well, and FEMA, and Obama by his performance in managing the catastrophe showed that there is a very real, and central role for government to continue spearheading disaster relief, and by extension, healthcare and social services etc.

I think first Bloomberg's and then Christie's "endorsement" of Obama may have opened the eyes of a lot of independents.  I wouldn't be surprised if Romney is viewing Christie as his Palin... this unmanageable rogue factor that was drafted into the fray to help put him over the top with a key bloc, only to be sabotaged in the end.  Christie was vastly different from the damage he inflicted of course, but from his "I" performance at the RNC Convention, to his batting down FOX News attempt to get him to take Romney on a tour of the disaster areas, to his damaging public praise of the President in the waning days... with no opportunity for Romney to rebut or make up ground (the circumstances, and good sense didn't permit it).

Youth and minorities showed up last minute... this was why many thought the race would be tighter than it turned out.  Enthusiasm seemed to be lagging going in, but in the end they turned out in huge numbers to put Obama over the top.  Roland Martin attributed the turnout to the Republican-lead effort to suppress voter turnout... that this was a blow back.

Finally, the electoral count aside... CNN showed a very interesting graphic last night.  If you just look statewide, then the map looks fairly even, blue on the coasts and red down the center.  But John King broke the map out into the counties, and there it's overwhelmingly red.  What Obama was able to do was to get phenomenal turnout in urban areas where there are higher population counts, and where his key demographics live.  This countered the losses in more suburban and rural counties.  Finally... I think the popular vote shows that it was in fact a close race, with Obama likely pulling out a 51%-49% win there.  This bears out the polling leading up to the election, and what the media was reporting.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: g on November 07, 2012, 11:20:39 AM
I agree the tide is shifting.

While we could argue that the economy was the big issue in this election campaign, i believe that immigration is almost equally important as this election was very instructive of the shifting balance of the so called "coallition of minitories" blacks, hispanics and other gender based minorities especially in those key swing states that determine the outcome of these elections.

How immigration policy is defined over the next few years will be key especially as it relates to determining close election races in swing states
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Bitter on November 07, 2012, 11:21:26 AM
I think those maps showing the red counties/states are misleading. The population of some of these places are relatively small compared to the geography, so you get this visual impression that the numbers are bigger than they are.

A map that looks more like this (using population instead of electoral votes)  would probably be more informative visually:

(http://election.princeton.edu/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/EV-outcom-7nov2012_Florida-out.jpg)


Check these out from the 2008 elections:
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/2008/
(http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/2008/countymapredbluer512.png)

(http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/2008/countycartredblue512.png)

and for 2012:
http://www.fastcodesign.com/1671162/infographic-a-grossly-distended-map-of-america-redrawn-by-election-spending#-4

I also think people underestimated the ground game of Obama, I fully expected a mess in Ohio and Florida, but they got their people out to vote. Much will be discussed about their methods.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: truetrini on November 07, 2012, 01:28:48 PM
getting the vote out in Virginia, Ohio and Florida was a big reason for the victory.  Early voting we led 2-1 in most areas.

We were well organized and pounding the pavements two months before the election.  Phone calls, mailers and emails as wella s social media.  This was the best organized DCC campaign I was ever involved in.



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Gershwin --

I'm about to go speak to the crowd here in Chicago, but I wanted to thank you first.

I want you to know that this wasn't fate, and it wasn't an accident. You made this happen.

You organized yourselves block by block. You took ownership of this campaign five and ten dollars at a time. And when it wasn't easy, you pressed forward.

I thank you for beating the pavement bringing the vote out, and transporting elders to the polls.

I will spend the rest of my presidency honoring your support, and doing what I can to finish what we started.

But I want you to take real pride, as I do, in how we got the chance in the first place.

Today is the clearest proof yet that, against the odds, ordinary Americans can overcome powerful interests.

There's a lot more work to do.

But for right now: Thank you.

Barack



We really put in long hours.  I worked with a woman who flew in from California to work Florida as she said she knew that Cali was already in the bag.   Dedicated workers and volunteers doing as much as possible to keep the Mormon cultist from winning the White-House...and it was a close election, not electorally, but overall.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: gawd on pitch on November 07, 2012, 03:48:50 PM
I am glad those bible holding Republicans/Tea party red necks did not win...

Good for Obama. I just hope his foreign policy does not continue to be a representation of the "old white man".
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Peong on November 07, 2012, 04:40:37 PM
Despite voting in a black president for the 2nd time, this country have some racist and ignorant modaforkers boy.
They all over twitter and facebook.
Title: Re: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: D.H.W on November 07, 2012, 04:48:51 PM
Despite voting in a black president for the 2nd time, this country have some racist and ignorant modaforkers boy.
They all over twitter and facebook.

In the next 50 years America will be a mainly mixed country. They fraid
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Brownsugar on November 07, 2012, 05:13:54 PM
The man is a boss!!!  I seeing all them talking heads on the TV saying how the election close and making the thing sound like real drama, but Nate Silver's polls/statistics never gave that impression......

hhhhhhhmmm ah wonder how good he is at picking Lotto numbers??..... ;D

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/07/nate-silver-obama-reelection_n_2086556.html?ref=topbar&utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false#sb=229637,b=facebook (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/07/nate-silver-obama-reelection_n_2086556.html?ref=topbar&utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false#sb=229637,b=facebook)
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: soccerman on November 07, 2012, 06:57:47 PM
Despite voting in a black president for the 2nd time, this country have some racist and ignorant modaforkers boy.
They all over twitter and facebook.
Ent! They does come out brave on social media but will never express they self in person.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: soccerman on November 07, 2012, 07:02:21 PM
getting the vote out in Virginia, Ohio and Florida was a big reason for the victory.  Early voting we led 2-1 in most areas.

We were well organized and pounding the pavements two months before the election.  Phone calls, mailers and emails as wella s social media.  This was the best organized DCC campaign I was ever involved in.
Thanks bredda for your dedication and sacrificing your time in FL....it all paid off in the end :beermug:
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: elan on November 07, 2012, 08:58:52 PM
The Irony of the Presidential Election (http://blogmaverick.com/2012/11/07/the-irony-of-the-presidential-election/)
Nov 7th 2012 6:51PM

By all accounts, one of the defining differences in the election was “The Ground Game” . The outreach by the 2 candidates to reach voters “on the ground”, in their homes, on their phones, wherever it was possible to make a possible contact. Once the contact was made, the goal was to get them to the polls to vote for their candidate.

You would think that the candidate with the most business experience would be best prepared to build a national organization that ran like clock work and made the final difference in the election. You would be wrong.

In the 2008 election President Obama was able to utilize social media as a call to action and funding and gain a huge advantage over the Republican candidate who couldn’t match the online advantage that President Obama created.

In this election it appears that President Obama was able to gain re-election by putting together a national organization that only raised the same amount of funds as the Republican candidate, but was able to better use that funding to put together a ground game “business plan” that was not only better than the Republicans, but had better messaging, voter connection and was better planned, implemented, distributed and executed on than their “far better business people” Republicans.

 

oh the irony
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: elan on November 07, 2012, 09:03:00 PM
Obama 2012 reinvented campaigning; but can the model be duplicated? (http://thegrio.com/2012/11/07/obama-2012-reinvented-campaigning-but-can-his-model-be-dublicated/)
by Addisu Demissie | November 7, 2012 at 1:28 PM


A volunteer claps during political speeches at the Obama For America Wilson Field Office before marching to a local polling precinct for the first day of early voting on October 18, 2012 in Wilson, North Carolina. (Photo by Sara D. Davis/Getty Images)

Barack Obama will never be on a ballot again, but after his big victory last night, many will ask if the Obama campaign model can ever be replicated, or if is it the result of a once-in-a-generation candidate and circumstance.  I think the better question is: can future Democratic campaigns afford not to try?

One of the first lessons I learned as a political operative is that no matter the campaign, there are only three ways to win an election: register new supporters, persuade potential supporters, or turn out existing supporters.  The question for every campaign leadership team is to figure out how many resources (if any) and which tactics to use in pursuit of each.

In early 2011, the Obama campaign made a decision to make a big bet in the so-called “ground game” – or what people in the business simply call “field” – as a key component of their overall strategy on all three fronts.  Over the last two years, thousands of paid staffers fanned out to the far corners of battleground states to register, persuade and turn out Obama supporters.  Last night, that strategy was vindicated.

To me, the legacy of the 2012 campaign will be that effort and what it means for the future of the Democratic Party and presidential politics.

While the press usually speaks of the ground game in generalities – “thousands of phone calls,” “hundreds of volunteers,” “countless hours,” and so forth – good campaigns are obsessive about precision in their numbers. Campaigns are also typically very reluctant to release those numbers to the public or press – partially because it is valuable strategic information and partially because snapshots of field numbers don’t necessarily look or sound impressive.

But last Saturday, less than 100 hours before polls closed, the trio of organizers at the top of the Obama field hierarchy – Battleground States Director Mitch Stewart, National Field Director Jeremy Bird and their chief deputy Marlon Marshall – gave us insight into the scope and scale of what Obama 2012 was able to produce using real and incredibly impressive numbers. (Full disclosure: as former OFA Political Director, I’ve worked closely with all three of them in the past, and count them all as friends.) I won’t go into all of them here (you can read for yourself)  but they are truly staggering, well surpassing the 2008 Obama campaign on every level. But perhaps most important is the way that change was achieved.

One sentence towards the end of Stewart, Bird, and Marshall’s memo captures it well:

“Ours is a people-centered, data-driven campaign that has built small, manageable neighborhood teams run by talented volunteers and supported by amazing field organizers who know the exact number of votes they need to win in their precincts.”

This seems so simple, yet it must be said clearly: never, in the history of presidential politics, in either party, has field organizing been done in such a people-centered, data-driven way.  On the strength of his message, personality, and record – and with the help of thousands of dedicated field staffers and volunteers – Barack Obama built a campaign organization unlike any other in American history.

One of the core beliefs of the Obama team – from the president on down – is that personal contact from a neighbor or an acquaintance is the most effective way to recruit a volunteer or deliver a message.  OFA had the time, the resources and, perhaps most importantly, the belief in organizing at the neighborhood level – to embed itself in communities, build infrastructure, and empower volunteers to take real leadership roles in the campaign.  For five years, OFA has recruited, trained, tested and empowered its most committed supporters to serve in roles that would normally be reserved for paid staff.

Read More Here.... (http://thegrio.com/2012/11/07/obama-2012-reinvented-campaigning-but-can-his-model-be-dublicated/)
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: ZANDOLIE on November 08, 2012, 12:33:32 AM
The Irony of the Presidential Election (http://blogmaverick.com/2012/11/07/the-irony-of-the-presidential-election/)
Nov 7th 2012 6:51PM

By all accounts, one of the defining differences in the election was “The Ground Game” . The outreach by the 2 candidates to reach voters “on the ground”, in their homes, on their phones, wherever it was possible to make a possible contact. Once the contact was made, the goal was to get them to the polls to vote for their candidate.

You would think that the candidate with the most business experience would be best prepared to build a national organization that ran like clock work and made the final difference in the election. You would be wrong.

In the 2008 election President Obama was able to utilize social media as a call to action and funding and gain a huge advantage over the Republican candidate who couldn’t match the online advantage that President Obama created.

In this election it appears that President Obama was able to gain re-election by putting together a national organization that only raised the same amount of funds as the Republican candidate, but was able to better use that funding to put together a ground game “business plan” that was not only better than the Republicans, but had better messaging, voter connection and was better planned, implemented, distributed and executed on than their “far better business people” Republicans.

 

oh the irony

uh huh. the conservatard media has continually mocked him for being a 'community organizer'. these people are completely deluded by the wealth doctrine. understand that in the political arena romney's skill set pales in comparison to bama's ability to organize labour.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Brownsugar on November 08, 2012, 04:53:25 AM
So uuuummmm anybody see or hear from Daft Trini yet?  :devil: ;D  And the other one....ribbit??  (ah not sure is he)....
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Jumbie on November 08, 2012, 05:08:24 AM
Now that Mr Obama's name will not be on another ballot, do you think this gives him more power flexibility to do 'more"?


What ever happened to that Donald fella?  :rotfl:  :rotfl:  :rotfl: Was he fired?
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: warmonga on November 08, 2012, 10:14:49 AM
Now that Mr Obama's name will not be on another ballot, do you think this gives him more power flexibility to do 'more"?


What ever happened to that Donald fella?  :rotfl:  :rotfl:  :rotfl: Was he fired?
His supporters sorrounded him with a republican army in the house so real talk he cya really do anything. Unfortunately its another 4 years of blame it on Bush and the republicans .  I hope the best, cause I eh wah see the man flop but this should be an education tip to the  jackass dem who went out and vote for Obama next time you assholes need to vote straight democrat or straight republican, and jes dont go say I voting for the president I eh worry bout the rest otherwise we guh be stuck in the same situation we in right now.. People dont understand politics thats why we are in the situation we in right now.  i does try to educate dem a little but they doh have time to listen mi they think I does be high .. dem eh know weed does gave mi knowlege and wisdom....

war
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Daft Trini on November 08, 2012, 11:42:23 AM
So uuuummmm anybody see or hear from Daft Trini yet?  :devil: ;D  And the other one....ribbit??  (ah not sure is he)....

I dey, ah was busy hiding meh money in the Kamlayan Islands and Swiss bank accounts!

Eff True Trini (on your VA game) :beermug:, Bakes  :beermug: and all de Obummer Supporters  :beermug: (j/k)

Real tired and worn out from this campaign.

Worked real hard to elect George Allen, the DCC had a better ground game, every time we think we had an upper hand in VA, we got blitz and our asses handed to us on the final day. As I said to lefty a while back, putting money where I tort it had growth, but Allen lost, so some rethinking has to be done on this gamble. Romney and the Va strategy was so forking poor, I was confused about who they were running against at times. Time to get the Old heads out of the GOP.  :beermug:

Is Obummer gonna still be blaming bush or himself for the economy he inherited this time? All Hail Comrade Barack!  :devil:
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: lefty on November 08, 2012, 12:01:44 PM
Daft as long as d GOP keep appealing to questionable groups of people they will have a problem, dey need to low the religious nuts, confederates, sexist or will continue to have issues going forward. d demographic of america doh fit d GOP as it stands anymore..........I sure that far apart from Obama management skills d biggist problem for many repubs have is d color of d man skin.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: elan on November 08, 2012, 12:03:21 PM
Now that Mr Obama's name will not be on another ballot, do you think this gives him more power flexibility to do 'more"?


What ever happened to that Donald fella?  :rotfl:  :rotfl:  :rotfl: Was he fired?
His supporters sorrounded him with a republican army in the house so real talk he cya really do anything. Unfortunately its another 4 years of blame it on Bush and the republicans .  I hope the best, cause I eh wah see the man flop but this should be an education tip to the  jackass dem who went out and vote for Obama next time you assholes need to vote straight democrat or straight republican, and jes dont go say I voting for the president I eh worry bout the rest otherwise we guh be stuck in the same situation we in right now.. People dont understand politics thats why we are in the situation we in right now.  i does try to educate dem a little but they doh have time to listen mi they think I does be high .. dem eh know weed does gave mi knowlege and wisdom....

war

This is why they will lose again in 2016 if they continue with that :bs:   They have to show that they are willing to compromise, that they are willing to embrace "different". These white men are scared and confused and if as you say they will persist with obstructionism, then they will pay again in 4 year. Marco Rubio won't be able to help them.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Daft Trini on November 08, 2012, 12:12:40 PM
Daft as long as d GOP keep appealing to questionable groups of people they will have a problem, dey need to low the religious nuts, confederates, sexist or will continue to have issues going forward. d demographic of america doh fit d GOP as it stands anymore..........I sure that far apart from Obama management skills d biggist problem for many repubs have is d color of d man skin.

I have always opposed the republican leadership, it's time to get rid of these men who lead us and advise us, especially the BUSH PEOPLE. I would beg to differ, the GOP has more elected Hispanics in office than the DNC, the so called racism is located in pockets but overall, it's something pushed by media and religious fanatics of the party.  :beermug: You get into politricks to make money or for the benefits not to feel happy about your ideology!

I oppose the DNC because they push their agenda, while keeping in their chorale of fairness through a permanent underclass.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: warmonga on November 08, 2012, 12:33:37 PM
Now that Mr Obama's name will not be on another ballot, do you think this gives him more power flexibility to do 'more"?


What ever happened to that Donald fella?  :rotfl:  :rotfl:  :rotfl: Was he fired?
His supporters sorrounded him with a republican army in the house so real talk he cya really do anything. Unfortunately its another 4 years of blame it on Bush and the republicans .  I hope the best, cause I eh wah see the man flop but this should be an education tip to the  jackass dem who went out and vote for Obama next time you assholes need to vote straight democrat or straight republican, and jes dont go say I voting for the president I eh worry bout the rest otherwise we guh be stuck in the same situation we in right now.. People dont understand politics thats why we are in the situation we in right now.  i does try to educate dem a little but they doh have time to listen mi they think I does be high .. dem eh know weed does gave mi knowlege and wisdom....

war

This is why they will lose again in 2016 if they continue with that :bs:   They have to show that they are willing to compromise, that they are willing to embrace "different". These white men are scared and confused and if as you say they will persist with obstructionism, then they will pay again in 4 year. Marco Rubio won't be able to help them.
elan rich people dont loose we are the ones loosing.. Forget but showing they have to compromise  and embrace rich f**king people dont care but compromise and embrace, democrats needs to be educated how the system work.. many people think "I voting Obama and he go change the world for me" it dont wrk so,  you have to vote his people to help him. republicans say it loud and clear they will not wrk with Obama ,why the f**k the back there  controlling senate? You understan what am trying to say .. Its got nothign to do wid Black or white its all about Power (money)and the republicans want it they really dont care if romney loose as long as the controll senate they controll the government.. People need to get themself educated about how the system wrk. Unfortunately many many Democrats do not know how it wrks.  I Myself did not know until recently. I use to vote for a democrat  and then turn round and vote a republican, I learn now, and I surely know next election where my vote going 100%.  Rich people dont gave a f**k bout no one but themselves..

war   :beermug:
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: FF on November 08, 2012, 12:58:06 PM
War the republicans control the House.. democrats retain control of the senate.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: kaliman2006 on November 08, 2012, 01:00:47 PM
Now that Mr Obama's name will not be on another ballot, do you think this gives him more power flexibility to do 'more"?


What ever happened to that Donald fella?  :rotfl:  :rotfl:  :rotfl: Was he fired?
His supporters sorrounded him with a republican army in the house so real talk he cya really do anything. Unfortunately its another 4 years of blame it on Bush and the republicans .  I hope the best, cause I eh wah see the man flop but this should be an education tip to the  jackass dem who went out and vote for Obama next time you assholes need to vote straight democrat or straight republican, and jes dont go say I voting for the president I eh worry bout the rest otherwise we guh be stuck in the same situation we in right now.. People dont understand politics thats why we are in the situation we in right now.  i does try to educate dem a little but they doh have time to listen mi they think I does be high .. dem eh know weed does gave mi knowlege and wisdom....

war

This is why they will lose again in 2016 if they continue with that :bs:   They have to show that they are willing to compromise, that they are willing to embrace "different". These white men are scared and confused and if as you say they will persist with obstructionism, then they will pay again in 4 year. Marco Rubio won't be able to help them.
elan rich people dont loose we are the ones loosing.. Forget but showing they have to compromise  and embrace rich f**king people dont care but compromise and embrace, democrats needs to be educated how the system work.. many people think "I voting Obama and he go change the world for me" it dont wrk so,  you have to vote his people to help him. republicans say it loud and clear they will not wrk with Obama ,why the f**k the back there  controlling senate? You understan what am trying to say .. Its got nothign to do wid Black or white its all about Power (money)and the republicans want it they really dont care if romney loose as long as the controll senate they controll the government.. People need to get themself educated about how the system wrk. Unfortunately many many Democrats do not know how it wrks.  I Myself did not know until recently. I use to vote for a democrat  and then turn round and vote a republican, I learn now, and I surely know next election where my vote going 100%.  Rich people dont gave a f**k bout no one but themselves..

war   :beermug:

 You make some decent points overall, and I am inclined to agree with you. Politics in the USA is a high stakes, big money game. All one has to do is look at the obscene amounts of money that both Presidential candidates spent on their campaigns. This is why it is very difficult for third parties to break the entrenched two-party oligopoly that has been such a permanent fixture on the political landscape since the founding of the American republic.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: FF on November 08, 2012, 01:08:09 PM
 :rotfl:  :rotfl:  :rotfl:

(http://i.imgur.com/RWVX3.jpg)
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Daft Trini on November 08, 2012, 01:11:07 PM
Who controls the spending controls the people!  :beermug:
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: truetrini on November 08, 2012, 02:25:51 PM
Who controls the spending controls the people!  :beermug:

Yeah how come Karl Rove crying like a cunnie?

As for the ground game in Virginia, you see who is de real boss???


lol
Title: Re: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: D.H.W on November 08, 2012, 03:27:30 PM
:rotfl:  :rotfl:  :rotfl:

(http://i.imgur.com/RWVX3.jpg)

Lol good shit.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: AirMan on November 08, 2012, 11:07:50 PM
 :D


https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=503742586310749&set=a.497349696950038.119049.361550010530008&type=1&theater
 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=503742586310749&set=a.497349696950038.119049.361550010530008&type=1&theater)
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Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: ZANDOLIE on November 09, 2012, 12:26:00 AM
the repuglic**ts need to borrow a page from stephen harper's playbook. dat man will do anything for the 'brown' vote

(http://www.leaderpost.com/7512491.bin)

probably the most successful effort in the western world to re-brand conservatism as the party of immigrants and so-called minorities away from the liberal/democratic fold. shameless, but effective
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: asylumseeker on November 09, 2012, 01:19:19 AM
Daft, wha iz your real story? How yuh could drink so much Kool-Aid and still be alive?
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Bakes on November 09, 2012, 04:56:57 AM
Obama 2012 reinvented campaigning; but can the model be duplicated? (http://thegrio.com/2012/11/07/obama-2012-reinvented-campaigning-but-can-his-model-be-dublicated/)
by Addisu Demissie | November 7, 2012 at 1:28 PM


A volunteer claps during political speeches at the Obama For America Wilson Field Office before marching to a local polling precinct for the first day of early voting on October 18, 2012 in Wilson, North Carolina. (Photo by Sara D. Davis/Getty Images)

Barack Obama will never be on a ballot again, but after his big victory last night, many will ask if the Obama campaign model can ever be replicated, or if is it the result of a once-in-a-generation candidate and circumstance.  I think the better question is: can future Democratic campaigns afford not to try?

One of the first lessons I learned as a political operative is that no matter the campaign, there are only three ways to win an election: register new supporters, persuade potential supporters, or turn out existing supporters.  The question for every campaign leadership team is to figure out how many resources (if any) and which tactics to use in pursuit of each.

In early 2011, the Obama campaign made a decision to make a big bet in the so-called “ground game” – or what people in the business simply call “field” – as a key component of their overall strategy on all three fronts.  Over the last two years, thousands of paid staffers fanned out to the far corners of battleground states to register, persuade and turn out Obama supporters.  Last night, that strategy was vindicated.

To me, the legacy of the 2012 campaign will be that effort and what it means for the future of the Democratic Party and presidential politics.

While the press usually speaks of the ground game in generalities – “thousands of phone calls,” “hundreds of volunteers,” “countless hours,” and so forth – good campaigns are obsessive about precision in their numbers. Campaigns are also typically very reluctant to release those numbers to the public or press – partially because it is valuable strategic information and partially because snapshots of field numbers don’t necessarily look or sound impressive.

But last Saturday, less than 100 hours before polls closed, the trio of organizers at the top of the Obama field hierarchy – Battleground States Director Mitch Stewart, National Field Director Jeremy Bird and their chief deputy Marlon Marshall – gave us insight into the scope and scale of what Obama 2012 was able to produce using real and incredibly impressive numbers. (Full disclosure: as former OFA Political Director, I’ve worked closely with all three of them in the past, and count them all as friends.) I won’t go into all of them here (you can read for yourself)  but they are truly staggering, well surpassing the 2008 Obama campaign on every level. But perhaps most important is the way that change was achieved.

One sentence towards the end of Stewart, Bird, and Marshall’s memo captures it well:

“Ours is a people-centered, data-driven campaign that has built small, manageable neighborhood teams run by talented volunteers and supported by amazing field organizers who know the exact number of votes they need to win in their precincts.”

This seems so simple, yet it must be said clearly: never, in the history of presidential politics, in either party, has field organizing been done in such a people-centered, data-driven way.  On the strength of his message, personality, and record – and with the help of thousands of dedicated field staffers and volunteers – Barack Obama built a campaign organization unlike any other in American history.

One of the core beliefs of the Obama team – from the president on down – is that personal contact from a neighbor or an acquaintance is the most effective way to recruit a volunteer or deliver a message.  OFA had the time, the resources and, perhaps most importantly, the belief in organizing at the neighborhood level – to embed itself in communities, build infrastructure, and empower volunteers to take real leadership roles in the campaign.  For five years, OFA has recruited, trained, tested and empowered its most committed supporters to serve in roles that would normally be reserved for paid staff.

Read More Here.... (http://thegrio.com/2012/11/07/obama-2012-reinvented-campaigning-but-can-his-model-be-dublicated/)

Good stuff elan.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Bakes on November 09, 2012, 05:01:14 AM
War the republicans control the House.. democrats retain control of the senate.

Shhhh... not so loud, doh share all de secrets juss so.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Dutty on November 09, 2012, 07:23:32 AM
the repuglic**ts need to borrow a page from stephen harper's playbook. dat man will do anything for the 'brown' vote

(http://www.leaderpost.com/7512491.bin)

probably the most successful effort in the western world to re-brand conservatism as the party of immigrants and so-called minorities away from the liberal/democratic fold. shameless, but effective

you makin sports or wha? de day ah yankee prez put ah turban, kufi or even handkerchief on he head,, yuh go see rednecks, TT and alligators come out dey swamp wit guns headin north oui.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: asylumseeker on November 09, 2012, 07:29:15 AM
Re: the article posted by elan ... as much as many candidates and campaign pros would like to see retail politics consigned to being a thing of the past, it cyah done. Show me a candidate who can't vibes with the people and I'll show you a losing proposition.$$$ can buy airtime, but it cyah buy authenticity.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: ZANDOLIE on November 09, 2012, 05:38:01 PM
Re: the article posted by elan ... as much as many candidates and campaign pros would like to see retail politics consigned to being a thing of the past, it cyah done. Show me a candidate who can't vibes with the people and I'll show you a losing proposition.$$$ can buy airtime, but it cyah buy authenticity.

lol, yuh mean romney not formidable?  but its true. compare every set of democratic and republican opponents stretching back at least to kennendy-nixon, and probably to FDR too, in almost each case the most 'folksy' candidate came out ahead. the examples that most spring to mind are Dubya-Kerry and Reagan-Dukakis
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: weary1969 on November 09, 2012, 05:53:54 PM
Re: the article posted by elan ... as much as many candidates and campaign pros would like to see retail politics consigned to being a thing of the past, it cyah done. Show me a candidate who can't vibes with the people and I'll show you a losing proposition.$$$ can buy airtime, but it cyah buy authenticity.

lol, yuh mean romney not formidable?  but its true. compare every set of democratic and republican opponents stretching back at least to kennendy-nixon, and probably to FDR too, in almost each case the most 'folksy' candidate came out ahead. the examples that most spring to mind are Dubya-Kerry and Reagan-Dukakis

GHWB V Dukakis not Reagan
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: ZANDOLIE on November 09, 2012, 06:27:48 PM
Re: the article posted by elan ... as much as many candidates and campaign pros would like to see retail politics consigned to being a thing of the past, it cyah done. Show me a candidate who can't vibes with the people and I'll show you a losing proposition.$$$ can buy airtime, but it cyah buy authenticity.

lol, yuh mean romney not formidable?  but its true. compare every set of democratic and republican opponents stretching back at least to kennendy-nixon, and probably to FDR too, in almost each case the most 'folksy' candidate came out ahead. the examples that most spring to mind are Dubya-Kerry and Reagan-Dukakis

GHWB V Dukakis not Reagan

correct. mondale-reagan. clinton-dole was another mismatch
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Bakes on November 09, 2012, 08:09:21 PM
Re: the article posted by elan ... as much as many candidates and campaign pros would like to see retail politics consigned to being a thing of the past, it cyah done. Show me a candidate who can't vibes with the people and I'll show you a losing proposition.$$$ can buy airtime, but it cyah buy authenticity.

lol, yuh mean romney not formidable?  but its true. compare every set of democratic and republican opponents stretching back at least to kennendy-nixon, and probably to FDR too, in almost each case the most 'folksy' candidate came out ahead. the examples that most spring to mind are Dubya-Kerry and Reagan-Dukakis

Many would argue that McCain was "folksier" than Obama... who isn't known for his warmth and homliness.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: elan on November 09, 2012, 10:39:49 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/pBK2rfZt32g#!
Title: Re: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: D.H.W on November 10, 2012, 06:00:31 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/pBK2rfZt32g#!

Great person. I can't help but wonder if we will ever see a black president like him again in our lifetime. At least I'm alive to witness this part in history.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: ZANDOLIE on November 10, 2012, 10:15:15 AM
Re: the article posted by elan ... as much as many candidates and campaign pros would like to see retail politics consigned to being a thing of the past, it cyah done. Show me a candidate who can't vibes with the people and I'll show you a losing proposition.$$$ can buy airtime, but it cyah buy authenticity.

lol, yuh mean romney not formidable?  but its true. compare every set of democratic and republican opponents stretching back at least to kennendy-nixon, and probably to FDR too, in almost each case the most 'folksy' candidate came out ahead. the examples that most spring to mind are Dubya-Kerry and Reagan-Dukakis

Many would argue that McCain was "folksier" than Obama... who isn't known for his warmth and homliness.

i can see why some would think that. i myself always thought of mccain as more stiff and formal than bama. could be the injury/surgery to his neck and limited mobility feeding that perception. oba does rock the  'professorial' rather than the 'folksy', but i see an certain engaging warmth below the surface.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: D.H.W on November 10, 2012, 06:36:55 PM
Romney get Rope-a-dope after the first debate
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: D.H.W on November 10, 2012, 06:41:39 PM
 :devil:

http://www.youtube.com/v/qKXZ6quhps0
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: warmonga on November 10, 2012, 10:25:55 PM
Romney get Rope-a-dope after the first debate
DHW how yu a try draw man out suh dread.. Oh god man Obama win , me and di rest who dnt support di bullerman big up di man and his supporters ,  cool nuh ..  I mean if anybody should be trying to draw people out is The republicans dem .. they still controll the bloodclawt country without there leader...   go grab a doubles or a tamalie and a cold drink and  simmer  dread.. yu gwan  like sey di wurld stop.. allyuh fellas does act rell small dread... God mek man and him mek woman , him never mek every man and woman fi think alike, act alike, look alike, support alike, get it? .. maybe yu need fi start smoke yu guh see wey mi a talk bout...
war  :beermug:
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Bakes on November 10, 2012, 11:38:46 PM
Why Romney Never Saw It Coming
He was the numbers guy. But in the end his numbers were all wrong.

By John Dickerson|Posted Friday, Nov. 9, 2012, at 9:15 PM ET

(http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2012/11/121109_POL_RomneyStevensFeh.jpg.CROP.rectangle3-large.jpg)

Mitt Romney says he is a numbers guy, but in the end he got the numbers wrong. His campaign was adamant that public polls in the swing states were mistaken. They claimed the pollsters were over-estimating the number of Democrats who would turn out on Election Day. Romney’s campaign was certain that minorities would not show up for Obama in 2012 the way they did in 2008. “It just defied logic,” said a top aide of the idea that Obama could match, let alone exceed, his performance with minorities from the last election. When anyone raised the idea that public polls were showing a close race, the campaign’s pollster said the poll modeling was flawed and everyone moved on. Internally, the campaign’s own polling—tweaked to represent their view of the electorate, with fewer Democrats—showed a steady uptick for Romney since the first debate. Even on the morning of the election, Romney’s senior advisers weren’t close to hedging. They said he was going to win “decisively.” It seemed like spin, but the Boston Globe reports that a fireworks display was already ordered for the victory. Romney and Ryan thought they were going to win, say aides. “We were optimistic. More than just cautiously optimistic,” says one campaign staffer. When Romney lost, “it was like a death in the family.”

How did the Romney team get it so wrong? According to those involved, it was a mix of believing anecdotes about party enthusiasm and an underestimation of their opponents’ talents. The Romney campaign thought Obama’s base had lost its affection for its candidate. They believed Obama would win only if he won over independent voters. So Romney focused on independents and the economy, which was their key issue. The Republican ground game was focused on winning those voters. “We thought the only way to win was doing well with independents and we were kicking ass with independents,” says a top aide. One senior adviser bet me that if Obama won Ohio, he would donate $1,000 for every point that Romney won independents to my favorite charity. (That would be a $10,000 hit since Romney lost Ohio but won independents by 10 points). In the end, Romney won independents nationally by five points—and it didn’t matter one bit.

Meanwhile, the Romney campaign was openly dismissive of the Obama ground game. Why are they wasting so much money with neighborhood offices, they asked? (In Ohio, for example, Obama had almost 100 more offices than Romney.) In retrospect, the Romney team is in awe and full of praise of the Obama operation. “They spent four years working block by block, person by person to build their coalition,” says a top aide. They now recognize that those offices were created to build personal contacts, the most durable and useful way to gain voters.

Romney advisers say it was impossible to compete against Obama’s huge war chest. They also envy his ability to leverage the presidency for his campaign. Young voters were told about new provisions for student loans and Obama’s support for same-sex marriage, an issue that appeals to young voters. Hispanic voters were wooed by the president’s plan to waive the deportation of children of illegal immigrants. One Romney aide also included the much-debated changes to welfare requirements as a policy aimed to win over African-American voters. (because black people love dey welfare... apparently) “It was like they had a calendar,” said one Romney aide. With each month, the Obama administration rolled out a new policy for a different segment of their coalition they hoped to attract.

Though Romney said he was “severely conservative,” it was the Obama team that played its hand conservatively. They, too, planned for fewer Democrats to show up at the polls, but in their case it was so that their campaign organization would work twice as hard. On election night in Ohio, when turnout exceeded their intentionally conservative estimates in some districts, they knew that they’d win the state 45 minutes before the networks called it.

It’s not that the Romney camp failed to meet its targets. They say they actually met their voter outreach goals in Ohio. During the summer, they targeted more than 2 million voters who had not voted in party primaries. Those were the independents they believed would be the key to the race. Since the strategy seemed to be paying off with internal and external polls showing Romney leading among independents, the Romney team felt like they were working their plan. “We did everything we set out to do,” says a top strategist about the Ohio effort. “We just didn’t expect the African-American vote to be so high.” African-American participation in Ohio jumped from 11 percent of the electorate to 15 percent between the 2008 and 2012 elections. "We could never see that coming. We thought they'd gotten a lot last time." But that wasn’t the only problem. Romney underperformed George Bush’s results from 2004 in the vast majority of Ohio’s counties, not just the ones with big African-American populations.

In the post-election analysis, the Romney ticket’s problems with Hispanic voters are well-known. During the primaries, Romney ran so far to the right on immigration he lost a platform to even woo Hispanic votes. But African-Americans are treated as if they are in a category altogether unaffected by the campaign. They were going to vote for Obama no matter what. There’s a little John Sununu-like thinking in this. The former New Hampshire governor suggested that Colin Powell was supporting Barack Obama because of his race. (When Condoleezza Rice said that the party sent “mixed messages,” that must have been what she was talking about.)  It’s worth noting though, that if you were an African-American voter, there were plenty of other reasons to vote against Mitt Romney and the Republican Party. Donald Trump has loudly championed that idea that Barack Obama is illegitimate. It was a goofy charge, but one that has cultural resonance with a segment of society whose members have often been discriminated against through  the types of disqualification-hunts that Donald Trump engaged in so vigorously. Mitt Romney embraced no other fundraiser with as much public gusto as he did Trump. The energetic attempts by Republicans in states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida to limit voting in a way that disproportionately penalizes African-American neighborhoods might also have helped turn out the Democratic base. What role these acts played is not entirely clear, but it certainly didn’t hurt the Obama team’s effort to inspire African-American voters.

If you’re basing your entire campaign on white people, it leaves you little margin of error. That's where Romney’s troubles as a candidate hurt him. An operative in Ohio also admitted that the Obama abortion ads hurt Romney with women in the Columbus area. So too did the "Romney will raise your taxes on the middle class" ads and the ads attacking his tenure at Bain Capital. Romney couldn't afford to lose any of the white vote, and he did. Since the attacks came at a time when he was short of cash, he was not able to respond adequately.

In the final 10 days of the race, a split started to emerge in the two campaigns. The Obama team would shower you with a flurry of data—specific, measurable, and they’d show you the way they did the math. Any request for written proof was immediately filled. They knew their brief so well you could imagine Romney hiring them to work at Bain. The Romney team, by contrast, was much more gauzy, reluctant to share numbers, and relying on talking points rather than data. This could have been a difference in approach, but it suggested a lack of rigor in the Romney camp. On Election Day, the whole Romney ground-game flopped apart. ORCA, the much touted- computer system for tracking voters on Election Day, collapsed. It was supposed to be a high-tech approach to poll-watching, a system by which campaign workers would be able to track who voted. Those who had not yet voted could therefore be identified and then have volunteers tasked to finding them and getting them to the polls. ORCA was supposed to streamline the process, but it was never stress-tested. Field operatives never saw a beta version. They asked to see it, but were told it would be ready on Election Day. When they rolled it out Tuesday, it was a mess. People couldn’t log on and when they did, the fields that were supposed to be full of data were empty. “I saw a zero and I knew I wasn’t supposed to be seeing a zero,” said one campaign worker. A war room had been set up in the Boston Garden to monitor ORCA’s results, but in the end Romney and Ryan had to watch CNN to find out how their campaign was doing.  In the end, the numbers guy was deprived of his numbers in more ways than one.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2012/11/why_romney_was_surprised_to_lose_his_campaign_had_the_wrong_numbers_bad.html
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: elan on November 12, 2012, 01:23:44 PM
Election 2012
Buchanan: ‘White America’ Died Last Night (http://dailycurrant.com/2012/11/07/buchanan-white-america-dead/?fb_action_ids=10151316466665152%2C10151316412195152&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%7B%2210151316466665152%22%3A297252877056586%2C%2210151316412195152%22%3A459819940725918%7D&action_type_map=%7B%2210151316466665152%22%3A%22og.likes%22%2C%2210151316412195152%22%3A%22og.likes%22%7D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D)
Nov. 07, 2012


(http://dailycurrant.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Buchanan-240x180.jpg)


Conservative political pundit Pat Buchanan stoked controversy today by claiming that Barack Obama's reelection has 'killed White America'.

The paleoconservative nativist is no stranger to racial controversy, having previously been accused of writing books with racist and anti-semitic undertones.

But the former Nixon advisor was more explicit on the G. Gordon Liddy Show this morning. When asked for his reaction to Obama's victory, Buchanan replied brazenly: "White America died last night. Obama's reelection killed it. Our 200 plus year history as a Western nation is over. We're a Socialist Latin American country now. Venezuela without the oil."Stunned by his clear racisim, Liddy tried to walk his guest back from the ledge:
"With what you just said right there...You seem to imply that white people are better than other people. That's not really what you're saying is it?"

"Of course that's what I'm saying," Buchanan replied "Isn't it obvious? Anything worth doing on this Earth was done first by white people."

"Who landed on the moon? White people. Who climbed Mount Everest? White people.  Who invented the transistor? White people. Who invented paper? White people. Who discovered algebra? White people."
"And don't give me all this nonsense about Martin Luther King and civil rights and all that. Who do you think freed the slaves? Abraham Lincoln. A white guy!"


Carte Blanche

"But we're not led by Lincoln anymore, we're led by an affirmative-action mulatto who can't physically understand how great America once was."
"I cried last night G. I cried for hours. It's over for all of us. The great White nation will never survive another 4 years of Obama's leadership"

Liddy tried to reason with Buchanan, reminding him that he shares similar positions with the President on Afghanistan, Iraq, and relations with Russia:
"Of course I agree with half of what he does,"  Buchanan answered, "He's half white! That's not the half I'm worried about."


Buchanan served as a speechwriter in the Nixon White House. He was fired as an MSNBC analyst this year following the publication of a book many considered to be racist.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: just cool on November 12, 2012, 01:35:15 PM
White people invented algebra??   :o

the word algebra is not even a euro word, it's arabic.   poor pat boooo hoooooo :rotfl: :rotfl:


ah hope allyuh who for yrs kept saying that i was ah racist bc i had the balls to call things the way it is, ah glad allyuh could see how fackin nasty these white boys are especially here in america and how they truly feel.

kudos to buchannan though, @ least he don't pull punches and speak deceitfully. what yuh see is what yuh get with PB.  thank you pat for being honest about your feelings big respect to you.      :applause: :notworthy:
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: weary1969 on November 12, 2012, 01:36:48 PM
Election 2012
Buchanan: ‘White America’ Died Last Night (http://dailycurrant.com/2012/11/07/buchanan-white-america-dead/?fb_action_ids=10151316466665152%2C10151316412195152&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%7B%2210151316466665152%22%3A297252877056586%2C%2210151316412195152%22%3A459819940725918%7D&action_type_map=%7B%2210151316466665152%22%3A%22og.likes%22%2C%2210151316412195152%22%3A%22og.likes%22%7D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D)
Nov. 07, 2012


(http://dailycurrant.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Buchanan-240x180.jpg)


Conservative political pundit Pat Buchanan stoked controversy today by claiming that Barack Obama's reelection has 'killed White America'.

The paleoconservative nativist is no stranger to racial controversy, having previously been accused of writing books with racist and anti-semitic undertones.

But the former Nixon advisor was more explicit on the G. Gordon Liddy Show this morning. When asked for his reaction to Obama's victory, Buchanan replied brazenly: "White America died last night. Obama's reelection killed it. Our 200 plus year history as a Western nation is over. We're a Socialist Latin American country now. Venezuela without the oil."Stunned by his clear racisim, Liddy tried to walk his guest back from the ledge:
"With what you just said right there...You seem to imply that white people are better than other people. That's not really what you're saying is it?"

"Of course that's what I'm saying," Buchanan replied "Isn't it obvious? Anything worth doing on this Earth was done first by white people."

"Who landed on the moon? White people. Who climbed Mount Everest? White people.  Who invented the transistor? White people. Who invented paper? White people. Who discovered algebra? White people."
"And don't give me all this nonsense about Martin Luther King and civil rights and all that. Who do you think freed the slaves? Abraham Lincoln. A white guy!"


Carte Blanche

"But we're not led by Lincoln anymore, we're led by an affirmative-action mulatto who can't physically understand how great America once was."
"I cried last night G. I cried for hours. It's over for all of us. The great White nation will never survive another 4 years of Obama's leadership"

Liddy tried to reason with Buchanan, reminding him that he shares similar positions with the President on Afghanistan, Iraq, and relations with Russia:
"Of course I agree with half of what he does,"  Buchanan answered, "He's half white! That's not the half I'm worried about."


Buchanan served as a speechwriter in the Nixon White House. He was fired as an MSNBC analyst this year following the publication of a book many considered to be racist.

Thxs to flow msnbc eh avialable on digital so me eh know they finally fired that racist nut.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: just cool on November 12, 2012, 01:46:29 PM
The problem with most white ppl is that they feel history started with the greeks. before the greeks they have no nothing to do with history, only biblical history.

i guess that's why when nopoleon went to egypt he nearly blow ah gasket when he saw that the sphinx had ah big yam nose, so he take ah shot @ it with a cannon ball to hide history.

he had no previous inclinations that the ancient egyptians were niggers, and when he found out he could not contain his disappointment. 

this is only the beginning, white man have ah lot more disappointment coming their way when the chinese and the indians rise to the top like cream, bc jump high jump low, they will be the new world super powers in ah very near future.      :devil: :devil:

andre ah taking ah borrow.      ah love it!   :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Bitter on November 12, 2012, 02:08:23 PM
Allyuh get ketch by the Daily Currant.
I think that might be the 2nd one I see on here.
If allyuh would get in the habit of posting the url, then it would be easy to see.
I hope Elan objective was to rile allyuh up.

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Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Deeks on November 12, 2012, 04:27:39 PM
"Of course I agree with half of what he does,"  Buchanan answered, "He's half white! That's not the half I'm worried about."


 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

That part real funny. Staright out of Chris Rock
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: just cool on November 12, 2012, 05:45:31 PM
"Of course I agree with half of what he does,"  Buchanan answered, "He's half white! That's not the half I'm worried about."


 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

That part real funny. Staright out of Chris Rock
Yuh mean this is ah forkin parody??    :frustrated:

well forkin done elan, yuh dunce!  :cursing:
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: lefty on November 12, 2012, 05:56:45 PM
ah hear a setta states file petitions to secede
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Bitter on November 12, 2012, 06:01:17 PM
ah hear a setta states file petitions to secede

Not states, individuals in states put up petitions on the white house site.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions

Symbolic protest. The equivalent of liberals saying they was moving to Canada when GWB get reelected.

It is amusing though:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/11/12/states-petition-obama-administration-to-secede/

Secession petitions filed on White House Web site
Posted by Rachel Weiner on November 12, 2012 at 11:23 am

From states across the country, Americans have filed petitions on the White House Web site seeking to secede from the union and form new state governments.

While most of the petitions come from states that supported Mitt Romney in last week’s election, a few swing states and even the deep blue Northeast are represented.

Petitions have been filed for Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas.

“We petition the Obama Administration to peacefully grant the State of Alabama to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own new government,” reads the Alabama petition. The following text is the same in most of the 20 filed so far:

As the founding fathers of the United States of America made clear in the Declaration of Independence in 1776:
“When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.”
“…Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government…”

Most of the petitions have a few thousand signatures; many signers appear to be from other states. Under the “We the People” program, launched last year, the White House will respond to any petition that receives 25,000 or more signatures within 30 days. Anyone over the age of 13 can create a petition. Previous popular petitions demanded the White House beer recipe (success) and marijuana legalization (no success).

The petitions from Louisiana and Texas, however, are approaching the threshold for a response. They were the first two states represented, followed by Alabama. Petitioners only have to put a first name and last initial on the site.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) raised the idea of secession back in 2009, but he has since made clear that he has no interest in it. Tennessee Rep. Zach Wamp (R) suggested in 2010 that some states might have to “consider separation from this government” should the leadership in Washington not change. ”I hope that the American people will go to the ballot box in 2010 and 2012 so that states are not forced to consider separation from this government,” he said.

Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: D.H.W on November 12, 2012, 06:11:45 PM
Americans like a setta stupid drama yes
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: giggsy11 on November 12, 2012, 06:53:51 PM
One of the things about the US having a black president is the fact that it continues to expose how racist and divided by race this country continues to be.
Yeah I am sure some people voted for him because of his race, in the first place, but once things don't work out the way the expected, the first thing they look to, is his race as the reason. This US, in my opinion will forever be backwards no matter how much of a world power it is considered.  God forbid if you happen to be of mixed race, you get it from both/all sides. Ridiculous!
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: 100% Barataria on November 12, 2012, 08:17:58 PM
One of the things about the US having a black president is the fact that it continues to expose how racist and divided by race this country continues to be.
Yeah I am sure some people voted for him because of his race, in the first place, but once things don't work out the way the expected, the first thing they look to, is his race as the reason. This US, in my opinion will forever be backwards no matter how much of a world power it is considered.  God forbid if you happen to be of mixed race, you get it from both/all sides. Ridiculous!

Good post Tranquil aka Giggsy
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Bakes on November 12, 2012, 08:40:35 PM
I seriously doubt any non-black person voted for Obama "because of his race".  Many black people may have done that... but why would a non-black person vote for him because he's black... because they want to see a black president?  Unlikely.  Also, based on criticism of the President thus far... very few, if ANYBODY is saying he failed because he's black.  The US so backwards but this is where allyuh choose to live...what that say about allyuh reasoning?  Get up and move tuh ah more "forward" or progressive country if that's the case.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: elan on November 13, 2012, 10:32:48 AM
I seriously doubt any non-black person voted for Obama "because of his race".  Many black people may have done that... but why would a non-black person vote for him because he's black... because they want to see a black president?  Unlikely.  Also, based on criticism of the President thus far... very few, if ANYBODY is saying he failed because he's black.  The US so backwards but this is where allyuh choose to live...what that say about allyuh reasoning?  Get up and move tuh ah more "forward" or progressive country if that's the case.

Bakes, I kinda agree, but I think yuh oversimplify.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: NYtriniwhiteboy.. on November 13, 2012, 10:51:30 AM
OP-ED COLUMNIST
Romney Is President
By MAUREEN DOWD
Published: November 10, 2012 403 Comments
Fred R. Conrad/The New York Times

IT makes sense that Mitt Romney and his advisers are still gobsmacked by the fact that they’re not commandeering the West Wing.

(Though, as the "Daily Show” correspondent John Oliver jested, the White House might have been one of the smaller houses Romney ever lived in.)

Team Romney has every reason to be shellshocked. Its candidate, after all, resoundingly won the election of the country he was wooing.

Mitt Romney is the president of white male America.

Maybe the group can retreat to a man cave in a Whiter House, with mahogany paneling, brown leather Chesterfields, a moose head over the fireplace, an elevator for the presidential limo, and one of those men’s club signs on the phone that reads: “Telephone Tips: ‘Just Left,’ 25 cents; ‘On His Way,’ 50 cents; ‘Not here,’ $1; ‘Who?’ $5.”

In its delusional death spiral, the white male patriarchy was so hard core, so redolent of country clubs and Cadillacs, it made little effort not to alienate women. The election had the largest gender gap in the history of the Gallup poll, with Obama winning the vote of single women by 36 percentage points.

As W.’s former aide Karen Hughes put it in Politico on Friday, “If another Republican man says anything about rape other than it is a horrific, violent crime, I want to personally cut out his tongue.”

Some Republicans conceded they were “a ‘Mad Men’ party in a ‘Modern Family’ world” (although “Mad Men” seems too louche for a candidate who doesn’t drink or smoke and who apparently dated only one woman). They also acknowledged that Romney’s strategists ran a 20th-century campaign against David Plouffe’s 21st-century one.

But the truth is, Romney was an unpalatable candidate. And shocking as it may seem, his strategists weren’t blowing smoke when they said they were going to win; they were just clueless.

Until now, Republicans and Fox News have excelled at conjuring alternate realities. But this time, they made the mistake of believing their fake world actually existed. As Fox’s Megyn Kelly said to Karl Rove on election night, when he argued against calling Ohio for Obama: “Is this just math that you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better?”

Romney and Tea Party loonies dismissed half the country as chattel and moochers who did not belong in their “traditional” America. But the more they insulted the president with birther cracks, the more they tried to force chastity belts on women, and the more they made Hispanics, blacks and gays feel like the help, the more these groups burned to prove that, knitted together, they could give the dead-enders of white male domination the boot.

The election about the economy also sounded the death knell for the Republican culture wars.

Romney was still running in an illusory country where husbands told wives how to vote, and the wives who worked had better get home in time to cook dinner. But in the real country, many wives were urging husbands not to vote for a Brylcreemed boss out of a ’50s boardroom whose party was helping to revive a 50-year-old debate over contraception.

Just like the Bushes before him, Romney tried to portray himself as more American than his Democratic opponent. But America’s gallimaufry wasn’t knuckling under to the gentry this time.

If 2008 was about exalting the One, 2012 was about the disenchanted Democratic base deciding: “We are the Ones we’ve been waiting for.”

Last time, Obama lifted up the base with his message of hope and change; this time the base lifted up Obama, with the hope he will change. He has not led the Obama army to leverage power, so now the army is leading Obama.

When the first African-American president was elected, his supporters expected dramatic changes. But Obama feared that he was such a huge change for the country to digest, it was better if other things remained status quo. Michelle played Laura Petrie, and the president was dawdling on promises. Having Joe Biden blurt out his support for gay marriage forced Obama’s hand.

The president’s record-high rate of deporting illegal immigrants infuriated Latinos. Now, on issues from loosening immigration laws to taxing the rich to gay rights to climate change to legalizing pot, the country has leapt ahead, pulling the sometimes listless and ruminating president by the hand, urging him to hurry up.

More women voted than men. Five women were newly elected to the Senate, and the number of women in the House will increase by at least three. New Hampshire will be the first state to send an all-female delegation to Congress. Live Pink or Dye.

Meanwhile, as Bill Maher said, “all the Republican men who talked about lady parts during the campaign, they all lost.”

The voters anointed a lesbian senator, and three new gay congressmen will make a total of five in January. Plus, three states voted to legalize same-sex marriage. Chad Griffin, the president of the Human Rights Campaign, told The Washington Post’s Ned Martel that gays, whose donations helped offset the Republican “super PACs,” wanted to see an openly gay cabinet secretary and an openly gay ambassador to a G-20 nation.

Bill O’Reilly said Obama’s voters wanted “stuff.” He was right. They want Barry to stop bogarting the change.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: D.H.W on November 17, 2012, 08:53:52 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8065/8191317327_5180e95d98_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: grimm01 on November 17, 2012, 10:51:22 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8065/8191317327_5180e95d98_b.jpg)

Barack and McKayla are not impressed.
Title: Re: Will President Obama be re-elected?
Post by: Bakes on November 18, 2012, 11:01:35 AM
Bakes, I kinda agree, but I think yuh oversimplify.
Yeah?  What part of what I said is an oversimplification?