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Sports => Football => Topic started by: Flex on March 31, 2005, 05:10:10 PM
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Leo Beenhakker is New Head Coach of T&T senior team.
By: Shaun Fuentes, TTFF Press Officer.[/size]
Leo Beenhakker is the new Head Coach of the Trinidad and Tobago Senior Football Team and former captain Russell Latapy will be returning to the set up as Assistant Coach as one my several decisions taken by the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation’s Technical Advisory Committee on Thursday.
Under the Chairmanship of Mr. Rudolph Thomas, Vice President of the Trinidad & Tobago Football Federation, the Technical Advisory Committee of the Trinidad & Tobago Football Federation comprising of Messrs. Lincoln Phillips, Technical Director, Dr. Alvin Henderson, and Mohammed Isa met with the Technical Staff of Team Trinidad and Tobago at 9:30 a.m. today, 31st March, 2005. Also in attendance were Messrs. Richard Groden, General Secretary of the TTFF and Jack Warner, TTFF Special Advisor.
Following that meeting the members of the Technical Advisory Committee met with the players of Team Trinidad and Tobago.
The primary purpose of both meetings was to outline the way forward for the team and both of which were very fruitful.
The following decisions were taken:
Manager of Team Trinidad & Tobago, Bruce Aanensen, former Deputy Manager of RBTT.
Assistant Manager with special responsibility for Player Relations, George Joseph.
Assistant Manager with special responsibility for Logistics and player apparel, Joseph ‘Sam’ Phillips.
Head Coach: Leo Beenhakker, former Manager of Holland National Team and former Coach of Real Madrid FC.
Assistant Coaches: David Nakhid and Russell Latapy.
N.B. All appointees have accepted their respective appointments subject to details which are being finalised. Mr.Beenhakker is expected to arrive in Trinidad on April 4th, 2005 while Mr. Latapy will be shortly relocated to Trinidad.
With the exception of Team Doctor, Dr. Terrence Babwah and Zephyrinus Nicholas, Team Physiotherapist, all other previous appointments on the Technical Staff of Team Trinidad and Tobago have been terminated with immediate effect. In the consequence of the foregoing, Mr. Ron La Forest has been reassigned as Coach of the Trinidad and Tobago Olympic Team.
Further relevant announcements will be made in due course.
Please find attached a copy of the CV of Leo Beenhakker and the Team’s training schedule for May, 2005.
Respectfully Submitted:
Richard Groden.
General Secretary.
Curriculum Vitae – Leo Beenhakker.
Name Leo Beenhakker 'Don Leo'
DOB 2 August 1942, Rotterdam, Nederland
Country Nederland
CLUBS Tediro, Xerxes, Zwart Wit'28; SV Epe, Go Ahead Eagles, SC Cambuur, Feyenoord,Ajax, Real Zaragoza, FC Volendam, Nederland, Real Madrid, Grasshoppers, Saoedi-Arabië, América, Istanbulspor, Guadalajara, Vitesse, Feyenoord.
SEIZOEN PRIJS/TITEL TEAM ALS SPELER:
1979/'80 Nederlands landskampioen Ajax
1986/'87 Spaans landskampioen Real Madrid
1987/'88 Spaans landskampioen Real Madrid
1988/'89 Spaans landskampioen Real Madrid
1988/'89 Spaanse beker Real Madrid
1989/'90 Nederlands landskampioen Ajax
1998/'99 Nederlands landskampioen Feyenoord
1999/2000 Nederlandse supercup Feyenoord
SEIZOEN CLUB DIVISIE ALS TRAINER:
1965/'66 SV Epe (NedAm)
1966/'67 SV Epe (NedAm)
ALS ASSISTENT-TRAINER:
1967/'68 Go Ahead Eagles (Ned )
1968/'69 Go Ahead Eagles (Ned )
1969/'70 Go Ahead Eagles (Ned )
1970/'71 Go Ahead Eagles (Ned )
1971/'72 Go Ahead Eagles (Ned )
ALS TRAINER:
1972/'73 SC Cambuur (Ned )
1973/'74 SC Cambuur (Ned )
1974/'75 SC Cambuur (Ned )
" /' " geen club
1975/'76 Go Ahead Eagles (Ned )
" /' " geen club
ALS JEUGDTRAINER:
1976/'77 Feyenoord (Ned1)
1977/'78 Feyenoord (Ned1)
1978/'79 Ajax (Ned1) ALS TRAINER:
1979/'80 Ajax (Ned1)
1980/'81 Ajax (Ned1)
" /' " geen club
1981/'82 Real Zaragoza (Spa)
1982/'83 Real Zaragoza (Spa)
1983/'84 Real Zaragoza (Spa)
1984/'85 FC Volendam (Ned1)
1985 Nederland
1986/'87 Real Madrid (Spa)
1987/'88 Real Madrid (Spa)
1988/'89 Ajax (Ned)
1990 Nederland
1990/'91 Ajax (Ned)
1991/'92 Ajax (Ned)
" /' " Real Madrid (Spa)
1992/'93 Grasshoppers (Zwi)
1993/'94 geen club
" /' " Saudi-Arabië
" /' " geen club
1994/'95 América (Mex)
1995/'96 Istanbulspor (Tur)
" /' " Guadalajara (Mex)
1996/'97 Vitesse (Ned1)
ALS TECHNISCH DIRECTEUR:
" /' " Vitesse (Ned1)
1997/'98 Vitesse (Ned1)
ALS TRAINER:
" /' " Feyenoord (Ned1)
1998/'99 Feyenoord (Ned1)
1999/2000 Feyenoord (Ned1)
" / " geen club (ontslag genomen)
2000/2001 geen club
ALS TECHNISCH DIRECTEUR:
" / " Ajax (Ned1)
2001/2002 Ajax (Ned1)
2002/2003 Ajax (Ned1)
ALS TRAINER:
" / " América (Mex1)
Team Trinidad & Tobago Training Schedule:
GAME 1: Wednesday April 20th Miami / England
GAME 2: May 17-25 Camp in Europe
GAME 3: Sunday May 29th Match vs Digicel All Stars (in Trinidad).
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LATAPY TOO! PANAMA YUH DEAD
Reading his CV it look like we need to work on his English lil bit though ;D
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VERY INTERESTING.
I have to say I am mightily encouraged by this announcement.
Only thing I have a little reservation about is the Nakhid/Latapy Assistant Coach working in tandem. These two just had a public spat in the papers with threat of lawsuit and counter suit. Hopefully they can put aside their difference to work for the betterment of T&T football.
Jack.....yuh done good here.
If it turn out dat Beenhakker turn out to be no better or worse than BSC...I will be de fuss one to eat crow.
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I agree with palos. Hiring Beenhakker and Latapy are good moves. Hopefully Nakhid and Latas can get along.
This is also a good opportunity for Latapy to learn from a very experienced coach so he can improve his coaching skills.
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this is real good positive news -- I hope this is a long term thing that would promote a viable football programme in tnt
definitely a big step forward
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Holy Shit........I'm actually impressed......Am I reading a game against England and all? A total revamping of the Technical staff?
Ok so they looking decent....hope it works out
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nah that is a match against Miami in England!
Just kidding, I think that mean we will play a friendly match either in Miami or England against somebody on April 20. England is not touring the US until the summer.
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I was wonderin de same ting Socafan wit respeck to de England ting
Now it say
April 20....Miami / England
While de oddahs say Camp in England and T&T vs Digicel All Stars
Maybe we playin somebody in Miami OR England but de opponent yet to be announced
Ah thinkin dat is more likely de case.
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This appears to be a very encouraging and positive move BUT credientials is one thing, the ability to work successfully in this cultural context is another.
Many may say that the only context that one has to relate to is the CULTURE of football. I bring a personal connection; When I left Trinidad in 72 I played on a semi- pro teami n Canada. It had players from: West Germany, England, Italy, Scotland ,Wales, Jamacia, Fiji, and Canada. The canadians played goal and defense(boom kickers). We were successful as football was our common 'Culture' and we were all adjusting to a Canadian culture.
My hope is that the nature of the sport will have all on the same page, however one would be remiss to negate the cultural shifts in thinking, playing, and in the way we approach games. I am not saying it is wrong, it is just different and any coach must acknowledge that, work within the confines of what is there and add to it. Imposing atotally different style at this time may not work to our benefit but improving and fostering what we have may take us through. Obviously our foreign based players may have an edge having played under foreign European type thinking.
These are just my opinions.
Respectfully submitted. Thanks
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AlbertaTrini , doh worry broder..ah tink we safe...if meh boy cudda coach in all Turkey, Spain and Mexico and ting...ah tink he is such a successful professional that he will adapt well to our culture and brand of football.
One ting bout dem dutch, dey duz take dey training and tactics serious...our game will be lifted in at least 2 months I guarantee. He will even bring players' individual technique up to par. They also doh play too much long ball and ting. Dey like a nice buildup with short pssing that is our strength.
And when he get a look at Latas runnin' out....yuh doh tink Latas wouldn't geh back dat #10 again. He have no bias..and looking for pure technique and football brains....dis is not what St.Clair practiced....dis rel encouragin'..I excited. ;D
Hope Latas and Nakhid get along though.
I eh like how dey discard Licoln Phillips though, he was one to keep for the future to change our preparations and professionalism at all levels. Hope they find a role for him.
AH LOVE THIS MOVE!
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Alberta
About that Culture thing.....He is Dutch and he get tru in Mexico, Spain, Turkey and he qualify Saudi Arabia for a WC.
Breds them countries harder to adjust to than TT. As one can see Language is not a problem because it ent look like he could speak none of them. ;D
I want yuh to realise this, the only football culture we have here in Trinidad is a LOSING one, and one of mediocrity
We look no different from any of the other Caribbean islands in terms of beat and shift, lack of technical ability, or tactical awareness. We have none.Breds St Kitts and St Vincent look much better than us in all the games we play against them, its just we win by luck. Cuba is the best Caribbean team right now and if they had a lil more money or gotten a favourable draw they woulda be in this WC Hex instead of us.
I have seen plenty Haitians and Jamaicans who can drag and spanner a player, they like the same beat we do. The only thing is they not sorf like we.
Gally had a brand of kaisocasoccer and he had the Strike squad playing a system but to say we have a Football Culture that is anything for a Foreigner to admire and leave alone, that ent happening.
I want Leo to come and change all the poor trapping, poor passing, dunce football that we playing and I want him teach all the players to learn to shoot with either foot. I want to see evidence of a Free kick and a set play with some kinda thought and I want it executed well, so even if it ent score you could at least say...whey I see what he try, that was creative.
Plus as he is a foreigner he ent taking no shit from none of them player....Yorke right down, so this means non performers will get the bench and I also think those locals who were deserving of a place in the side will also get a chance. Also I am sure he will have no qualms in Benching Stern.
I excited.If I get chance I want to go a coaching session, just to see a big coach at work.
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They did not discard Lincoln Phillips.
Leo Beenhakker is the new Head Coach of the Trinidad and Tobago Senior Football Team and former captain Russell Latapy will be returning to the set up as Assistant Coach as one my several decisions taken by the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation’s Technical Advisory Committee on Thursday.
Under the Chairmanship of Mr. Rudolph Thomas, Vice President of the Trinidad & Tobago Football Federation, the Technical Advisory Committee of the Trinidad & Tobago Football Federation comprising of Messrs. Lincoln Phillips, Technical Director, Dr. Alvin Henderson, and Mohammed Isa met with the Technical Staff of Team Trinidad and Tobago at 9:30 a.m. today, 31st March, 2005.
I still gettin kicks on de "As one of MY several decisions taken by the TTFF Technical Advisory Committee" quote.
Jack sweet wee. Techinical Advistory Committe of ONE. ;D ;D ;D
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I eh like how dey discard Licoln Phillips though, he was one to keep for the future to change our preparations and professionalism at all levels. Hope they find a role for him.
Lincoln is still there, the changes that have been made were only to the senior team management.
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Touches I have to agree whloeheartly with what you just posted. I am looking forward to tyese next games. I just bring that up so we eh go make the same mistakes from the past. Let's also not forget that the culture is just an intangible.
The skill improvement and areas of football is salient to all but we need a man like Latas to work along side to complete that cultural part.
If anything the man go get INSTANT RESPECT coming along and he eh go take we kaka.
My opinions
Respectfully submitted.
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good ah glad bout that ;D
Wa vibez JDB? 8)
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I want Leo to come and change all the poor trapping, poor passing, dunce football that we playing and I want him teach all the players to learn to shoot with either foot. I want to see evidence of a Free kick and a set play with some kinda thought and I want it executed well, so even if it ent score you could at least say...whey I see what he try, that was creative.
I want to him to draught a plan for a system of training coaches and youngsters in T&T. During breaks let hime run courses in C of E, let as many local football people as possible get into contact with this man.
Alberta...yuh cracking meh up with that "respectfully submitted" yes. No hard feelings pardner.
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I'm speechless.....however, extremely encouraged. I was expecting Keegan or Taylor, but Beenhakker is a strong selection. "Total Football" is his mantra as well, so I expect to strongly see the training philosophies implemented by Ajax at work here. This is a great move for our football. Let's see how Latas functions in this arena. Good luck T&T!
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Well boy Jack yuh pull off a master stroke. I herad Keegan was first choice but God must be a Trini. That is like playing Mexico in Mexico shooting from 40 yards the ball gone over the bar and the ref give yuh the goal and yuh win 1-0 ;D
Why they wait till now to make such a move?
One thing is for sure this eh no yes man. He have "f**k off money" What that means is he eh need no one and will not stand for shit.
Much respected in coaching circles, has not been active for a while in coaching, but none the less a respected & proven coach. He is a hard task master and players who do not pull their weight will soon be paying to watch the games. He had a major falling out with Cruyff when he was coach of Ajax and Cruyff was TD of the Club. He then resigned and took over Real only to return some years later to Ajax.
I will say this player better start to study the game inside out because he will demand they " think football" and carry out specific task (that is the Dutch way).
All said I am very pleased as a supporter with this appointment & cannot wait for the first traing sessions, much less the games.
Patriot take some time off and walk wid yuh video camera ;D
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One name conspicuous by it's absence in de list of "Technical Advisors & various Committee Members".
Alvin "Sabotage" Corneal
Will he live down to his middle name in dis situation too or will he support this initiative??
;)
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Based on record, I would like to say that L.Phillips be retained, but does anyone know where he stood in the decision making process under BSC?
Is there any thought sgiven to retaining his services?
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yuh know....if sumbody had made dis post tomorrow ah would dah be cussin dey muddah and nennen fuh makin ah bad joke.....but jeezan what ah signing. The committee of 1 went for broke yes....bring een ah coach with paper and trophies....nobody was tinkin bout he ahtall.....was able tuh get Latas tuh give up he wuk over so....for the benefit of we football.....all dem men who was stickin have tuh be on dey p's and q's....free pass bun...so leh we see...is Yorke.....is Latas....is Nahkid..... and de big horse Leo plus who else Leo mite be bringing......
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This is good, but we need more games than that, de coach must get firmiliar with the players etc.....
Lazy man dead.
I could see some under's (Keon, Lara & Tinto) and Nigel Daniel, Ian Gray & Seaton and them making de team now...
Good move Jack.
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We have to thank the whole technical team for this one.
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Any truth in this.. ?
Among the proposed plans for the team is a clash against England in Miami on April 20, a training camp in Europe from May 17-25 and a home fixture against a Digicel Caribbean All Stars on May 29.
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read some of the posts above #5,6,7 etc.
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Great News...
Welcome Mr Leo to T&T... I wish you success with our team and hope you can bring back some pride to T&T... Good Luck and you have many people supporting you...
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As stated before, I hope THIS relationship last, I will continue saving for 2010, Since ah blow Germany savings last Sunday, or was it Monday.
"The King is Dead, Long live the King"
It is great to see so many happy post. Although I may disagree with the route, I have now choice of accompanying you all to our final destination. Subsequently, if the majority is happy and satisfied, so too it makes our Trip equally satisfying.
let's ride T&T
Now Football seemingly on the way of repair, let's say a prayer for the other social aspects of our society.
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Great acquistion,but a few notes:
1. we need to organize consistent friendlies. i like that list, especially if it including england!but i think thats not true on that one.
2. they didnt need to fire the whole staff. goalkeeping coach and laforest werent bad. we always feel the need to start completely over.
3. Great move, Jack pulls it off...but again, where did this money come from? all this time i thought we didnt have the funds to get a big time coach ???
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The question is what will become of derick king.
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With Bertille gone, Derek King will have to be satisfied with club football.
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Why people feel that we playing England? Most likely the schedule means we will play a game in Miami or England. Let's be serious England is not going to play us.
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Why woud they not play us? You feel thay are too good? Well consider Portugal; check their world ranking. Guess who they played last week? Canada; check Canada's world ranking.
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Beenhakker and ‘Warriors’ keep up beliefs
By Shaun Fuentes in Monterrey
Trinidad and Tobago head coach Leo Beenhakker has credited his players for a courageous performance and is firm on his belief that such displays will be transferred into winning results as the “Warriors” continue their journey to the Germany 2006 World Cup.
Beenhakker let his feelings out moments after T&T’s 2-0loss to Mexico in Monterrey on Wednesday night.
“Mexico is a very strong team and we proved that we could play with them but unfortunately it didn’t take us to the end,” Beenhakker told TTFF Media.
“They were better than us . We tried to compensate with a lot of work but we couldn’t stop them. We did a good job but we need to have more ball possession to manage a team like Mexico. No one likes to lose but I think the team did everything it could after having been together for only ten days I don’t think I could ask for much more from the boys and it’s just unfortunate that we are not leaving with something to show from this match,” he added.
The general feeling is that the T&T team, despite the loss, is now a revamped one as was also the consensus among those who saw the match live including the Mexican media. They indicated their thoughts during the post match press conference.
Beenhakker replied to that by saying, “From the DVDs that I saw of the earlier matches and from what I am seeing now there seems to be a difference in the way the team is playing and that means credit must go to the guys because they are doing a better job. But the problem is whether it’s good enough to realize our dream and that’s where we must pull ourselves up even more to ensure that we do realize our dream because it’s still alive. You look at the other teams aside from Mexico and the USA you see that it’s still up for grabs.
“I think this game came a little bit early but at least you can see some progress from the team. We are playing to a philosophy and everyone is trying to do the same thing and do what is asked of them and that really is the win for us up to now ad hopefully we could turn into results at the end.”
The T&T team is scheduled to arrive home on Friday evening out of Miami but midfielder Chris Birchall, Dwight Yorke and Carlos Edwards all returned to England on Thursday.
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Fellas only JUST got word that Beenie man is being interviewed by Collin Murray and Alvin Corneal on Power105.1fm.
Foreign-based check out homeviewtnt
Patriot
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Ooops forgot to mention show started at 8:00pm EST. and finishes about 9:30pm EST.
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Thanks Patriot
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HE CLAIM SAY THAT HE CHOOSES TEAMS BASED ON RELATIONSHIP WITHIN THE PLAYERS RATHER THAN BETTER PLAYER FOR A PARTICULAR POSITION
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Good points....
So far he explain his role,
He explain the Latapy and Nahkid situation.laapy had a 3 month TT contract vs a 3 yr Falkirk contract.Nahkid is still TT scout....
He explain the need for his staff.........common sense really.
Ince situation is that he was injured and Jack was more impressive than him in training....Ince walk out due to TTFF problems.
He also explain why Stern there...he say the best 11 players on the side doe always give the best result.
He say Stern have a understanding between the other players, he also say Silvio spann have a good understanding with the other players.
Yorke and Stern starting vs the USA
He also say he knew about Atiba Charles and finds he was a good player but......CYD was more impressive than Atiba in training and had more aggression and fight so thats why he get the audition as he wants to have players competiting for positions.
Patriot now call and ask about Sealy and Leo say the door is still open.
Leo like the 3-4-3 system but we ent have the players for that.
I go keep the posts coming.
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Beenieman big gap is level of the pro league and international level.
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and asked him about Scott Sealey. He said he MIGHT get a look at him B 4 the USA game but the door remains open.
He also agreed to go look at the next Jabloteh game to see Kerry Noray and evaluate him. He tried to DIPLOMATICALLY state that there is a large gap between the local Pro League and INTERNATIONAL football, hence the reason not many locals are picked.
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A man ask about Kerry Noray and Nigel Pierre.
Leo say all due respect.......Pro league is not up to international std, we ent ready and he attends all the pro league matches, so he know the level of talent and the players available. So alyuh doe ask about no player gettin a run. The man done determine who can cut the mustard. He even say he go be at a pro league game come Sat at 4.
He say the pro league need better players, bring in some foreigners to raise the level and because the better teams have no competition, they need to learn to play under pressure and get accustommed to that. They also need more training.
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jabloteh and w connection getting all the best players .May be some eastern caribbean playesr need to imported
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Ask him if he inquired about jlloyd samuel
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Murray now diss my question about Cox, boucaud shakes etc.
I ask leo if he ever log on to socawarriors.net and the man say No.he say he not too internet savvy. and he doe know about the site but he go check it out.
I ent believe dat....... you mean Lincoln never tell him to check we out.
But I want him come and peep.
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come on nuh man
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yuh forget jlloyd is the man u should ah ask about touches .he say he disappointed in them men fittness lord how them men does get so
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Touches...check yuh PM please. Urgent
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Murray now diss my question about Cox, boucaud shakes etc.
He treat yuh wit scant courtesy ? What was de question ?
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they had already answered that question a lil while b 4
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well he said he saw all them guys on video well except shakes
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Palos The line was busy and when I get tru they ent picking up.........
Good question doe I sorry I ent see the pm earlier.
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what was the question touches. but beenieman make alot of sense in his interview you can tell he has a knowledge of the game.
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Palos I answering triniman here, but I think this was a question we definitly shoulda ask........I sorry I ent see this before I call.
Touches...ask he if yuh could bout how come Stern get appointed captain when it had a man like ex captain Marvin Andrews there.
Does Stern command the respect of the team as Marvin does? Or was it a motivational tool for Stern?
Good question Palos!
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Nice question.Palos yuh suprise meh there man.
Take heed import some player have a limit of 7 foreign player per team.Lord have mercy he ssay player dont leard from beating a team 6 and 7 nil they have all the time in the world to pass the ball. just remind me of a jabloteh vs north east stars at under 16 level , jabloteh had them 13-0 at half time and north east throw in the towel
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You guys are lucky to have the coach of your national team publicly acknowledge your fan site. In Jamaica, and i suspect even around CONCACAF, it perhaps is much harder to get this type of public endorsement. Coaches will grant interviews, but its hard to hear the site being mentioned in a radio or tv interview.
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Thats because we actually talk sense on our sites RF that administrators and coaches can use ;D
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I hate de part about Gray because even if Gray looked better in training and after de shit he play in de first game and more shit in de second game Chalres should have gotten de chance. Bennhaker should know training and the actual game is two different things, Colombia and Panama realise that we right side was weak and kill us and Beenhaker so good as a coach should have realise that, I feel he bullsahit allyuh, he and Charles fall-out.
That 3 months contract was de best thing for latapy, because he could have killed 2 birds with one stone, he's an ass..... he would have gotten 3 months paid while his club was on break and then go back and still join he club, no love loss and everybody happy...
f**k Jlloyd... Triniman I feel if yuh meet Jlloyd yuh might squeez he balls de way yuh always begging for him, de man dont what we boy,,,, get de thing nah.
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by anymeans possible to fix that left side sam
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No problem, Jlloyd would be a nice additon, but de man DONT want to come and play for T&T until we qualify, so f**k him....
Lets make with what we have now until better come. Tiger, Avery, Samuel, Edwards, Rougier, Eve could play that left wing. Put Sancho in left back and we will have plently option for left wing. We must compromise with what we have, yuh beating a dead horse.
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I hate de part about Gray because even if Gray looked better in training and after de shit he play in de first game and more shit in de second game Chalres should have gotten de chance. Bennhaker should know training and the actual game is two different things, Colombia and Panama realise that we right side was weak and kill us and Beenhaker so good as a coach should have realise that, I feel he bullsahit allyuh, he and Charles fall-out.
That 3 months contract was de best thing for latapy, because he could have killed 2 birds with one stone, he's an ass..... he would have gotten 3 months paid while his club was on break and then go back and still join he club, no love loss and everybody happy...
f**k Jlloyd... Triniman I feel if yuh meet Jlloyd yuh might squeez he balls de way yuh always begging for him, de man dont what we boy,,,, get de thing nah.
Sam that is purely speculation based on limited knowledge of the facts. And we don't even know if Latapy would have done in this team. People are getting carried away, we had 1 or 2 bad results but things are still on track. We now know men like CYD, Scotland and Samuel have no place in that team. A lot of people were calling for changes, he experimented and was not successful. The fact is this team is getting better and one good result against USA and people will be singing a different tune.
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Yes de coach try ah thing in de gold cup, but after de first 2 games he should have known it was win win situaton for us because even if we have go through to the next rounds it would have benifited us even if we only played one game after,,,,, we had most of our players together and de coach would have gotten a better chance to see more of the guys, it was also a chance to play more games because as you can see we not doing anything right now, we wasting de whole month and we players NOT ever playing. All we needed was a tie and we fail... put 5 man in defence then...
By the way, I think Collin Samuel did ok and should be considered.
Latapy could have helped because we needed that spark and creation in midfield, someone who can make things happen in a split of a dime, even Dwarika could have came on as a sub and park something... but Latapy only studing money... 3 months could have turned long term, he could have could and prove heself and thing might have chance for de better,,, yuh have to try man,,,,,,, Latapy is an ass...
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c'mon sam, that was an easy choice for latas to make! I am a patriot, and i love my country but i understand latapy's stance this time around. three months doh match up against 3 years. What if we dont qualify? u think that Falkirk woulda just hire him back just so?
De man getting a long term job in de field that he want tuh persue as opposed to short term job in a field that he is not interested.
Sometime its better to think with your head and not your heart. :D
ah love it!!
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I sure if he did aproach them they would have accepted it... because Falkirk is a small side and Latapy was an imortant player probably de best on they team, they would not have turn him away.... come on man.... de coach and club loved him they would have understand,,,,, something could have been worked out.... they on break, they would have gladly let Latapy go even for 2 months and help his country and come back to Falkirk as a better more experience coach, it have plently that would have benefited both parties....
NOTHING is impossible once yuh heart in it... doors will open....... even Latapy club said they would have accepted him back..... read de reports again....
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I understand sam, but i believe that it just isnt so easy. u have to remember that these clubs dont give ah sh*t about small teams like us (especially after scotland mash we us 4-1). What if it was an ultimatum? i think that it have plenty betwen de lines.
also, is was noted that latas wanted a long term contract with de local team. that has to count for something ;).
I firmly believe that with latapy as a player that we woulda be in ah real good state in these qualifiers, and it is sad that latas doesnt see it that way, but as u quite rightly said, if yuh heart not in it, then what's de use?
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Thats because we actually talk sense on our sites RF that administrators and coaches can use ;D
lol ;D
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You sure about this "these clubs dont give ah sh*t about small teams like us" ..... I believe Falikirk is more small,,,,,, Jabloteh have more dollars than them.. Falkirk is a small side where de managers have to come on de field and save de day for them,,,, atleast we does leave Jack and Camps in de office......
If Yorke could come back and after he blast Warner in he Lasana interview saying all kind of shit and still came back and trying he best why cant Latapy... 3 month would not have affected his life, job or anything.... f**k long term.... I am sure once he came here and did good he might have gotten long term anyway... but you have to creep before you walk, Latapy just wanted money and thats is... he eh no coach and de thing he wanted was to much for a shit coach with no credits to his name...
If playing for T&T was damaging his career I would have understand,,,,,, but it wasn't......
PS: After this world cup Jack retiring, who de fcok go pay Latapy he sallery.... he lucky them eh stick him and sign him long term and then bail..... because I know de government eh paying for a maxi taxi ride even.
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Nuff said pardner.....yuh making sense!!
yes he wanted too much for ah first timer. life must go on!
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He also explain why Stern there...he say the best 11 players on the side doe always give the best result.
He say Stern have a understanding between the other players, he also say Silvio spann have a good understanding with the other players.
So I guess indirectly Beenie is saying Stern is not one of the best 11 players in our side? But I still don't understand his point. What is this understanding Stern has with the other players that has been so valuable to our results? Besides the other players now fully understanding that he go fall down, not run down any ball, rest he hand on hip, throw way sitters from the six, scream at everybody...am I missing something else?
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Arrow,
I was wondering the same thing.....he deflect from the question a lil bit but repeatedly over the course of the interiew and in some of the past newspaper articles he stressed.......our 3 main attacking players are Dwight, Carlos and Stern.
It look like Stern placed booked.
I real disappointed because Stern really doing shit. But I will just have to hope that he find some form.........as he is doing now and deliver when he put on the Red jersey.
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Stern play shit because he was not fit i believe . Beenieman said ithat he was dissapointed with the form some players
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even though he does always play shit like some of u say i was way out of form for the GC
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MUH LAS PROPHESY FLOP, BUT I HAVE ANOTHER ONE COMIN'. I FEEL STERN GO BE THE MAN TO TAKE WE THRU THIS ROUNDS. I SURPRISED TO SEE HOW MUCH MEN BAD TALKING THE MAN, WE OWN, WE STAR. IT KIND OF REMIND ME OF WHEN MEN WAS IN TO BAD TALKING KELVIN JACK…BUT THE MORE YUH GET TO PLAY THE MORE YOU WILL IMPROVE.
AND WHO MOST LIKELY TO SCORE FOR WE AGAINST US? DO A POLL AND YOU WILL SEE STERN IS #1.
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I don't know about Stern scoring against USA but i wish he does. I would really like to see Dwight Yorke score a goal for TNT some time soon, you know like as soon as the 17 August, that would be nice to see.
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I eh know too much about football but this I know Stern and Dwight is not a good combination, man saying dat for years. You cannot have two target man type players. If you have to have to use those two, then one must player in the opposition penalty box, while the other roams in the space behind and connects the midfield, also attacks / comes from deep, accompanied by two wingers.
In Beenie world, Kluivert in the PK area, with Litmanan off him, George Finidi & Overmars wide ;D ;D
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sam....latapy is ah god....not an ass
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hey big magician if latapy is a god how come he eh deliver us yet to the promise land(WC) yet ;D
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hey big magician if latapy is a god how come he eh deliver us yet to the promise land(WC) yet ;D
Because he doh play fuh Canada.
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Doh ketch too much horrors magicians, I jus chookin wood in the fire so I could at least become a junior warrior, but allyuh ent find Nakhid was more of a midfield general that latapy?
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Doh ketch too much horrors magicians, I jus chookin wood in the fire so I could at least become a junior warrior, but allyuh ent find Nakhid was more of a midfield general that latapy?
bounty.....how much weed you smoke today boy? you is a madman oh wah? Latapy is the only midfield player we had that controlled the flow of our game and created almost every chance we had in the game he played in.
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Trinidadians have a penchant for negativity. The Stern John issue is testment to this fact. It seems as if people forgetting just who Stern John is. If we are to honest with ourselves we would see that Stern's contribution to the National team over the course of his career is unsurpassed.
Stern is out of form real bad and his fitness level leaves a lot to be desired. This is undeniable, however, it is seems as if negativity may have the better of us once again. Form as they say is temporary but class is permanent. I will go so far as to say that if Stern doesn't get his act we will not qualify because we have NOBODY to replace him. Stern is our best foward and we need goals from him. We need to support Stern right now. I think the insults have gone too far.
I have no doubt that we the members of this forum are the most passionate supporters of football in this country. That in itself gives us more authority to criticise but that criticism must be constructive and serve to aid Stern's recovery as a player.
From Stern, WE need a commitment to change for the better. To lose weight and to start scoring goals again.
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Continously selecting him, letting him play 90 minutes and giving him the captaincy did not work? So what next? Appoint him Prime Minister?
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Jah I don't see where negativity comes into this. The man isout of form period.
If you believe that he needs more time fine, but others (who have been willing to give him time) feel otherwise.
Like yuh say we need Stern to start getting goals and yuh also believe that he needs to commit to losing weight. Have you noticed any weight loss, have you seen anything to make you believe that things will turn around fro him between the last game and the 17th and that he will start scoring goals?
If not then men will be right to ask for him to take a lil bench. That is all men asking for just a little seat on th ebench for a while.
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That is acceptable
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Doh ketch too much horrors magicians, I jus chookin wood in the fire so I could at least become a junior warrior, but allyuh ent find Nakhid was more of a midfield general that latapy?
with coments like the one above, you shouldnt be any kind ah warrior!! ;D
NAKHID? lol.
if yuh say he was ah better general in de sense of fighting for people's rights, then ok! :P
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On de old board we had a survey as to who yuh picking first on ah side... it was neck and neck for a few days... but in de end Latapy win with about 54 % of de votes...... Latapy was a borse... but Nakhid was also a general (albeit in a different way)
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On de old board we had a survey as to who yuh picking first on ah side... it was neck and neck for a few days... but in de end Latapy win with about 54 % of de votes...... Latapy was a borse... but Nakhid was also a general (albeit in a different way)
Dah poll jes mean it have a setta ex CIC man on de site. ;)
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look at Nahkid and Latapy in this light...................
The team has moved on and we have found players to replace Nahkid
The player to replace Latapy has not been born yet.
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look at Nahkid and Latapy in this light...................
The team has moved on and we have found players to replace Nahkid
The player to replace Latapy has not been born yet.
CORRECTAMUNDO! There you have it folks.
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thank yuh FF...for a while I thought it was who have the biggest mouth woulda win the argument as usual. In my opinion - when it came down to having absolute control of the midfield and then puttin down a pin-point accurate pass Nakhid was it...but I was jus provoking argument, cuz them two players play with 2 different supporting casts...with about the same result....but I ent see the night and day contrast that andre and palos want to make it out to be like.
palos - who is the man who replace Nakhid (since you infer he born already)?
but is jus my humble opinion...like this one
http://www.socawarriorssc.com/swonline/smf/index.php?topic=2112.0 (http://www.socawarriorssc.com/swonline/smf/index.php?topic=2112.0)
other people seem to agree with that one
http://fifa.com/en/mens/statistics/index/0,2548,All-Jul-2005,00.html
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look at Nahkid and Latapy in this light...................
The team has moved on and we have found players to replace Nahkid
The player to replace Latapy has not been born yet.
Ah disagree... we eh get nobody to organize tha middle since nakhid unless yuh counting Beenie... Nakhid used to lift everybody performance...
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FF and Bounty I feel this conversation could move to another thread eh but Bounty I like how yuh chookin wood for the fire. Lemme show alyuh this Latapy vs Nahkid from some other angles.
watch it another way again.........I ent disagreeing that Nahkid hold down the middle.
But while Nahkid coulda lift man performance and organize a middle,guess what Latapy used to do.
He used to produce a piece of Magic, score goals and win games................That is the difference between Good and Great.
Fellas watch it another way again,
If yuh had to pick one of them men and any other 10....from a footballing and common sense perspective, who would you choose?
The Makalele or the Zidane?
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What about the angle that Latapy was a defensive liability and we would collect more goals than we would score.
It also easier to mark out Latapy than Nahkid.
That home WCQ game against Costa Rica a few years ago showed that.....every single ting going thru Ltas and Costa Rica was happy with dat...make their life easier.
As for who yuh would pick between the two. It depends on the time frrame....right now we lacking offense(real strange eh) but a few years ago that wasn't so...we were lacking defensively....allyuh doh remember the cry of the time.."..the midfielders not tracking back to help the back line"
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Did anyone record the interview and post it on this site or anywhere else? Given the large number of freely available tools that can capture the sound, where is the mp3 of the interview.
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Did anyone record the interview and post it on this site or anywhere else? Given the large number of freely available tools that can capture the sound, where is the mp3 of the interview.
Or someone should inform Power 105 that podcasting is en vogue, and rightly so.
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sam....latapy is ah god....not an ass
Maybe for you....
But he is an ass for me....
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SAM....latas is a GOD....not an ass....have some respect.....YOU DONT KNOW THE WHOLE STORY
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I dont care about what you think or about your story... and I have no respect for Latapy..... He is an ASS !!!!!
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dcs, I agree fully. I think in this present set up we have enough good strikers, so we doh need another offensive threat at the expense of defensive liability...what we really want is a man who could deliver enough ball to stern that if he throw way 5 he hatta at least score 1; a man to run the plays through and make use of the wingers (well at least carlos), but keep up the defensive duties like we doing now - that bill sound more like a Nakhid than a Latapy to me.
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What about the angle that Latapy was a defensive liability and we would collect more goals than we would score.
It also easier to mark out Latapy than Nahkid.
That home WCQ game against Costa Rica a few years ago showed that.....every single ting going thru Ltas and Costa Rica was happy with dat...make their life easier.
As for who yuh would pick between the two. It depends on the time frrame....right now we lacking offense(real strange eh) but a few years ago that wasn't so...we were lacking defensively....allyuh doh remember the cry of the time.."..the midfielders not tracking back to help the back line"
Yuh sure aboutthis statement Bro? We just give up 5 goals in 3 games! Scoring 3. Seems we lacking on both ends still. Just a thought
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FF and Bounty I feel this conversation could move to another thread eh but Bounty I like how yuh chookin wood for the fire. Lemme show alyuh this Latapy vs Nahkid from some other angles.
watch it another way again.........I ent disagreeing that Nahkid hold down the middle.
But while Nahkid coulda lift man performance and organize a middle,guess what Latapy used to do.
He used to produce a piece of Magic, score goals and win games................That is the difference between Good and Great.
Fellas watch it another way again,
If yuh had to pick one of them men and any other 10....from a footballing and common sense perspective, who would you choose?
The Makalele or the Zidane?
If I building ah team from scratch... my first pick is the Makelele type... remember that was de whole crux of the last poll. The whole argument was that the Nakhid type is the rock the team build around... while the Latapy type is the garnish/flair/flash of the team. Ah man once tell me... any old goat could kick ah ball in a goal... but not everyone could stop ah goal from scoring... A Latapy type would be great... but is not absolutely necessary...
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Why can't we have both the nakkid and the latapy type players? I though that's why teams are made up of an Attacking and a Defensive midfielder in the team. We can start off with Spann being that attacking player while Birchall being the Defensive player...
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Why can't we have both the nakkid and the latapy type players? I though that's why teams are made up of an Attacking and a Defensive midfielder in the team. We can start off with Spann being that attacking player while Birchall being the Defensive player...
Well ideally... this should go without saying
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Why can't we have both the nakkid and the latapy type players? I though that's why teams are made up of an Attacking and a Defensive midfielder in the team. We can start off with Spann being that attacking player while Birchall being the Defensive player...
why are we looking for nakhid and latapy *type* players when we already have the damn ting self? Call both a dem back!
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Ah man once tell me... any old goat could kick ah ball in a goal... but not everyone could stop ah goal from scoring
I ent so sure about this FF. Stern is the biggest old goat of all and can't seem to kick a ball in a goal to save he life and even "I can't believe it's not" Jack does stop ah goal from scoring once in a long while
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Ah man once tell me... any old goat could kick ah ball in a goal... but not everyone could stop ah goal from scoring
I ent so sure about this FF. Stern is the biggest old goat of all and can't seem to kick a ball in a goal to save he life and even kerrygold Jack does stop ah goal from scoring once in a long while
Oh gawd arrow LOL yuh killing meh.. I eh sure ah get the kerrygold jack though.... yuh sure yuh eh mean "Marigold Jack"?
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It also easier to mark out Latapy than Nahkid.
Allyuh kicksy yes.
Nakhid never had to get mark. He was no THREAT to anybody.
Latapy on the other hand......
Steupes...allyuh does talk some dotishness yes.
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If I building ah team from scratch... my first pick is the Makelele type... remember that was de whole crux of the last poll. The whole argument was that the Nakhid type is the rock the team build around... while the Latapy type is the garnish/flair/flash of the team. Ah man once tell me... any old goat could kick ah ball in a goal... but not everyone could stop ah goal from scoring... A Latapy type would be great... but is not absolutely necessary...
Again dotishness. If yuh did lissen to Beenie interview he was lamentin lack of a "classic #10". De trype of playmaker that this team sorely lacks. He tell Colin Murray "Show me where he is. Where is this playmaker? I will personally go to see him because we need this in the team. If not, we make do with what we have".
You buildin a team and you startin wit Makelele? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Yuh tink de "classic #10 type" does come around all de time?
Man not even you believe dah talk.
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Anybody know what is the stats for both Nakhid and Latapy in National colours? Games played... Goals scored... Goals set up?
Tallman quick... to the Tallmobile!!
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Anybody know what is the stats for both Nakhid and Latapy in National colours? Games played... Goals scored... Goals set up?
Tallman quick... to the Tallmobile!!
Tallman....doh fuhget to tell we how many penalties Latapy miss in a Gold Cup semi.
Thanks.
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He tell Colin Murray "Show me where he is. Where is this playmaker? I will personally go to see him because we need this in the team. If not, we make do with what we have"
Tallman as yuh searching see if yuh could pull up Latapy, Dwarika and Jemmott address for Beenie.
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If I building ah team from scratch... my first pick is the Makelele type... remember that was de whole crux of the last poll. The whole argument was that the Nakhid type is the rock the team build around... while the Latapy type is the garnish/flair/flash of the team. Ah man once tell me... any old goat could kick ah ball in a goal... but not everyone could stop ah goal from scoring... A Latapy type would be great... but is not absolutely necessary...
Again dotishness. If yuh did lissen to Beenie interview he was lamentin lack of a "classic #10". De trype of playmaker that this team sorely lacks. He tell Colin Murray "Show me where he is. Where is this playmaker? I will personally go to see him because we need this in the team. If not, we make do with what we have".
You buildin a team and you startin wit Makelele? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Yuh tink de "classic #10 type" does come around all de time?
Man not even you believe dah talk.
Palos ah swear to God... I picking tha kinda player first.... now if is really Claude Makelele vs Zinedine Zidane well to be honest... hands down ah picking ZZ cus tha star power go be shining too bright... but yuh need somebody to perform tha holding role still... cuz look since Makelele gone, Real cyah win ah trophy...I know their problems run deeper than that... but still...
Latapy in his prime will give you several moments of brilliance... but I think Nakhid in his prime would be better for the TEAM... if I had to choose one... because his game is more allround..Anybody know what is the stats for both Nakhid and Latapy in National colours? Games played... Goals scored... Goals set up?
Tallman quick... to the Tallmobile!!
Tallman....doh fuhget to tell we how many penalties Latapy miss in a Gold Cup semi.
Thanks.
Palos yuh fighting dirty here >:( ;D... ah must admit, I was putting Latapy to kick tha penalty
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FF out of curiosity....around what yrs and give me a game example that Nahkid and Latapy woulda be in they Prime?
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Anybody know what is the stats for both Nakhid and Latapy in National colours? Games played... Goals scored... Goals set up?
Tallman quick... to the Tallmobile!!
First to be begin, the following stats are incomplete because we all know that they have more caps and goals than I show. The figures represent the actual matches that I can verify (i.e. date, opposition, result etc.). As time goes along, I'm sure I will be able to acquire the full data.
Russell Latapy
Caps: 57
Goals: 27
David Nakhid
Caps: 35
Goals: 8
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FF out of curiosity....around what yrs and give me a game example that Nahkid and Latapy woulda be in they Prime?
Easy... Nakhid... from '96 to '99 virtually carry the National team on he back when Yorke and Latapy walk out on we the first time... Gold Cup 98... 3-1 vs Honduras, 2-4 to Mexico in Mexico... / ... 2-0 vs Jamaica 99
Latapy and Yorke came back and he was arguably the best player on the field.. scored the opening goal, combined well with Latapy
Latapy, harder to say... he give we brilliance between 89 and 2000... I would say the years at Porto... when he would fly back right through .. win against Norway 3-2 comes to mind (at his glorious best)... also 96 Gold Cup... losing efforts though... 2-3 to both USA and El Salvador
Wham... Touches.. yuh feel I never watch no football or wha?
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Anybody know what is the stats for both Nakhid and Latapy in National colours? Games played... Goals scored... Goals set up?
Tallman quick... to the Tallmobile!!
First to be begin, the following stats are incomplete because we all know that they have more caps and goals than I show. The figures represent the actual matches that I can verify (i.e. date, opposition, result etc.). As time goes along, I'm sure I will be able to acquire the full data.
Russell Latapy
Caps: 57
Goals: 27
David Nakhid
Caps: 35
Goals: 8
Blessed be Tallman... he never fails...
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"Carry we on he back" ????? From my memory Nixon and S John had a lot to do with the team's performance in that tournament.
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If I building ah team from scratch... my first pick is the Makelele type... remember that was de whole crux of the last poll. The whole argument was that the Nakhid type is the rock the team build around... while the Latapy type is the garnish/flair/flash of the team.
Nakhid? Makelele type? Another blasted MYTH. Dat is a grave insult to Claude Makelele. Allyuh say how Latapy is a defensive liability (true) tryin to make it out like if Nakhid was dis defensive stopper.
I dare you to come up with an instance of where Nakhid tackle somebody other dan wit he mout. Nakhid was no tackler....he was an organizer and a very good one at that. The only comparison to Makelele you could possibly make is that the majority of both their passes were within 5 yards of themselves and either square or backwards.
As for de nex MYTH yuh spout that Nakhid better for the TEAM.....what a load a crock.
Every single f**kin TEAM Nakhid was on he get kick off. EVERY DAMN ONE! Is not once Warner had to run to he rescue. De same Warner Nakhid does cuss. De only threat Nakhid pose to any team while he was on de field was he MOUT. Off de field too.
But dis is not to diss David Nakhid. Because he was an excellent player, not just for T&T. One of our better players in our history. But dis talk bout how he beter dan Latapy and better for de team is jes assness. It come like sayin Deschamps (Nakhid) was better than Zidane (Latapy). In cricket some people want to make Chanderpaul dis great player and tryin to show how he better for de team dan Lara.
Jes like in dat "comparison" and allegation, is pure BULLSHIT.
T&T lucky we had both. Sad we have neither right now because we could have done with both or at least one. But get it straight. Footballer for Footballer, Nakhid cyah even shine Latapy boots. And dat is a FACT.
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But dis talk bout how he beter dan Latapy and better for de team is jes assness. It come like sayin Deschamps (Nakhid) was better than Zidane (Latapy). In cricket some people want to make Chanderpaul dis great player and tryin to show how he better for de team dan Lara.
Jes like in dat "comparison" and allegation, is pure BULLSHIT.
T&T lucky we had both. Sad we have neither right now because we could have done with both or at least one. But get it straight. Footballer for Footballer, Nakhid cyah even shine Nakhid boots. And dat is a FACT.
WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT... where have I ever said that Nakhid was better than Latapy??? Never Ever... my personal preference if I had to pick one for an actual team would be Nakhid first (MY OPINION)....
However and I have stated in de past on de old board... That they were two different types of players and shouldnt be compared.. Apples and Oranges!!
This is why on de poll and in these posts... I do not ask/say who is better... I ask who you picking first to build yuh team? ... the answer to this may all come down to your personality... preferred formations lineups... defensive disposition.. So doh go and get all high and mighty! I sorry if anybody reading my posts as NAKHID better than LATAPY... Not my intent... also lemme clarify the Makelele/Nakhid comments.. notice I mentioned that I believe Nakhid to be more allround... You say no... but he gets back and YES he tackles... I would like to see his yellow card stats for TNT... Also when he gets back his SAME BIG MOUTH that you talking about allowed him to communicate with the midfield and the defensive line... allowing ah better team structure... I believe (MY OPINION) that he was one of the better team captains we have ever seen and that is why ah picking he first...
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We does see what we want to see we. I racking my brain trying to think where this anchor man ability pertains to Nakid and for the life of me, where dat come from me eh know. All I could remember is teams running riot through we midfield. Like man forget Mexico in GC 2000. Nakid had good technical qualities and was tidy in midfield when he had possession, but tackling & ball winning???
then again what do I know
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dcs, I agree fully. I think in this present set up we have enough good strikers, so we doh need another offensive threat at the expense of defensive liability...what we really want is a man who could deliver enough ball to stern that if he throw way 5 he hatta at least score 1; a man to run the plays through and make use of the wingers (well at least carlos), but keep up the defensive duties like we doing now - that bill sound more like a Nakhid than a Latapy to me.
Bounty.....If Latapy was there he would not have wasted 5-6 tru balls on Stern.
Latapy woulda step up, run the play heself, Score and then turn round and tell Stern........that is how its done! ;D
FF, I know you does watch ball breds, which is why this conversation we having intriguing me so.
I see when yuh get some pressah yuh start to crack, and you admit you would pick ZZ over makalele!
yuh see the same logic yuh use for that statement..........yuh picking ZZ because the Star power shining too bright.
You now confirm why is Latapy and any 10.
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We does see what we want to see we. I racking my brain trying to think where this anchor man ability pertains to Nakid and for the life of me, where dat come from me eh know. All I could remember is teams running riot through we midfield. Like man forget Mexico in GC 2000. Nakid had good technical qualities and was tidy in midfield when he had possession, but tackling & ball winning???
then again what do I know
Never say out and out ball winner, the makelele reference throw off everything, sorry bout that... read my post again....
lemmeh summarize my feelings... Nakhid = Organizer... Latapy = Creater
Nakhid could create but not as devastatingly as Latapy... Latapy could organize the middle but not like Nakhid... is this fair?
yuh need both qualities in a team.. whether one man give yuh it or 11 men give yuh it.. yuh need both..
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Bunty.....If Latapy was there he would not have wasted 5-6 tru balls on Stern.
Latapy woulda step up, run the play heself, Score and then turn round and tell Stern........that is how its done!
FF, I know you does watch ball breds, which is why this conversation we having intriguing me so.
I see when yuh get some pressah yuh start to crack, and you admit you would pick ZZ over makalele!
yuh see the same logic yuh use for that statement..........yuh picking ZZ because the Star power shining too bright.
You now confirm why is Latapy and any 10.
Nah man... Latapy is we Zidane... but he eh Zidane...
Pele, Maradona, Zidane.. yuh have no choice but to pick these men over anybody...
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Nah man... Latapy is we Zidane... but he eh Zidane...
Pele, Maradona, Zidane.. yuh have no choice but to pick these men over anybody...
So in T&T context....if Latapy is we Zidane yuh provin exactly wha Touches sayin
yuh see the same logic yuh use for that statement..........yuh picking ZZ because the Star power shining too bright.
You now confirm why is Latapy and any 10.
But hey...as you quite rightly say....is YOUR PREFERENCE and yuh entitle to yuh opinion jes like everybody else.
Respeck still.
BTW.....what year yuh leff CIC? ;)
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But hey...as you quite rightly say....is YOUR PREFERENCE and yuh entitle to yuh opinion jes like everybody else.
Respeck still.
BTW.....what year yuh leff CIC? ;)
Palos, yuh go laugh... I is a Fatima man jus like you... 92-99
F*CK CIC!!
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[Palos, yuh go laugh... I is a Fatima man jus like you... 92-99
F*CK CIC!!
LMAO!!
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This is a very interesting discussion. If I was a coach I would choose Latapy over Nakhid any day because it is easier to replace a defensive midfielder than a creative midfielder.
For example Makele or Zidane.......Emerson or Ronaldinho. A French coach and Brazilian coach will easily select Zidane and Ronaldinho..that is a no brainer although Makele and Emerson are good players.
It is difficult to compare a defensive midfielder and an offensive midfielder..as someone said that is comparing apples to oranges. However if I was Parreira I will select Ronaldinho and find one someone else to replace Emerson. Do you think it easier to replace Ronaldinho or Emerson? Do you think it easier to replace Zidane or Makele? Do you think it easier to replace Latapy or Nakhid?
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This is a very interesting discussion. If I was a coach I would choose Latapy over Nakhid any day because it is easier to replace a defensive midfielder than a creative midfielder.
For example Makele or Zidane.......Emerson or Ronaldinho. A French coach and Brazilian coach will easily select Zidane and Ronaldinho..that is a no brainer although Makele and Emerson are good players.
It is difficult to compare a defensive midfielder and an offensive midfielder..as someone said that is comparing apples to oranges. However if I was Parreira I will select Ronaldinho and find one someone else to replace Emerson. Do you think it easier to replace Ronaldinho or Emerson? Do you think it easier to replace Zidane or Makele? Do you think it easier to replace Latapy or Nakhid?
not to say Nakhid wasn't a creative midfileder too. We laugh at the Americans when they start to count 'assists", but I think this would highlight Nakhid's greatest strength. Correct me if I wrong too, but it seemed to me to appear as though, the defence Nakhid was playing in front of was more shaky than the one Latapy was playing in front of (in their primes), so yuh find Nakhid had to play that kind of role more.
and I disagree with the automatic pick for the more attacking midfielder, cuz if we have a side and is four ah we on this forum in defence, with a midfield of Zidane, baggio, latapy, and we lookin for a 4th...b/c we defence shaky yuh ent feel we go go for a defensive?
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offense wins games, defense wins championships!!!! Choose your player now.
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not to say Nakhid wasn't a creative midfileder too. We laugh at the Americans when they start to count 'assists", but I think this would highlight Nakhid's greatest strength. Correct me if I wrong too, but it seemed to me to appear as though, the defence Nakhid was playing in front of was more shaky than the one Latapy was playing in front of (in their primes), so yuh find Nakhid had to play that kind of role more.
and I disagree with the automatic pick for the more attacking midfielder, cuz if we have a side and is four ah we on this forum in defence, with a midfield of Zidane, baggio, latapy, and we lookin for a 4th...b/c we defence shaky yuh ent feel we go go for a defensive?
Seein dat yuh comparin Nakhid & Latapy and yuh disagreein with automatic pick fuh Latapy....even if is men on de forum playin defence, please point out to me who is/was T&T Zidane & Baggio durin de times dem 2 fellas was actively playin fuh T&T?
As fuh dis post by g...offense wins games, defense wins championships!!!! Choose your player now.
Me eh know which football you watch breddrin (assumin u is a breddrin...if not apologies fuh de assumption), but are you somehow tryin to correlate Nakhid & defence?
Because if you are, must be a nex David Nakhid you referrin to.
Dis is why man must jump een dese topics and correck people because is BLANTANT LIES some people does try to come wit.
David Nakhid was an excellent midfielder during his active playing years. His strengths were playing it simple, good ball control, good reader of the game, good passer, good motivator. Nakhid was NEVER this defensive player allyuh tryin to reinvent he to be.
People who eh know better or never see he in action go read dat and come away wit dis kinda Makelele/Viera type player when the REALITY doh go so!
Buh say what....dis is a forum where man does say we does produce some a de best players in de world. ::)
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Seein dat yuh comparin Nakhid & Latapy and yuh disagreein with automatic pick fuh Latapy....even if is men on de forum playin defence, please point out to me who is/was T&T Zidane & Baggio durin de times dem 2 fellas was actively playin fuh T&T?
good logic, but it was to highlight the point I quote that is not alwyas the case where you pick a creative midfielder over a defensive one...but your logic still very sound.
Me eh know which football you watch breddrin (assumin u is a breddrin...if not apologies fuh de assumption), but are you somehow tryin to correlate Nakhid & defence?
I ent tink nobody saying that Nakhid was a Brian Williams...but put nearly anybody defensive prowess side by side with latapy's and ...yuh see where I comin from. Is like Dwarika, he go dribble and lose the ball and den walk with he hand on he hip...yuh know.
wheras Nakhid was a lil more on the end of trying to win the ball from the opposition than latapy. agree?
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I ent tink nobody saying that Nakhid was a Brian Williams...but put nearly anybody defensive prowess side by side with latapy's and ...yuh see where I comin from. Is like Dwarika, he go dribble and lose the ball and den walk with he hand on he hip...yuh know.
wheras Nakhid was a lil more on the end of trying to win the ball from the opposition than latapy. agree?
Respectfully...I disagree bounty.
Look...Latas didn't even tackle...he did more shadow and try to nick de ball away from a man IF he did try at all. True.
But Nakhid wasn't much better. Ah mean if yuh bein LITERAL, den yes Nakhid perhaps tried to win the ball back in a more evident manner than Latapy, but he wasn't by any stretch of the imagination a player who put pressure on the opposing team when they had possession.
The fact is.....Latapy and Nakhid were POOR defensive players...yes...poorer even than Stern John who doh track back at all but if he vex will at least pelt a blade behind somebody and den buff he teammates.
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How much was Latapy used during the Strike Squad days?
(I really asking)
I kinda remember he wasn't always on the field and he certainly wasn't the center of our plays like he was in later years where that approach destroyed lesser opponents and took us NOWHERE with better opposition in WCQ.
It wasn't necessarily a bad reflection on him.....we just didn't find a way to use him witout being predictable.
I think the difference betw Latas and Nahkid defensively a lil more than Palos saying...Nahkid would at least be in the mix even if he not winning the ball...Latas not even around.
And this is not to say one better than the other but when it come to T&T yuh have to look at where our weaknesses lie and we always struggle to get the midfield involved in defending.
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How much was Latapy used during the Strike Squad days?
(I really asking)
I kinda remember he wasn't always on the field and he certainly wasn't the center of our plays like he was in later years where that approach destroyed lesser opponents and took us NOWHERE with better opposition in WCQ.
It wasn't necessarily a bad reflection on him.....we just didn't find a way to use him witout being predictable.
I think the difference betw Latas and Nahkid defensively a lil more than Palos saying...Nahkid would at least be in the mix even if he not winning the ball...Latas not even around.
And this is not to say one better than the other but when it come to T&T yuh have to look at where our weaknesses lie and we always struggle to get the midfield involved in defending.
And where exactly did Nakhid take us dcs?
A Shell Caribbean Cup title where we beat mighty Martinique?
I guess that calibre of opposition was superior to Latapy's "lesser opponents" and on par with the superior opponents of WCQ?
In answer to your question about how much was Latapy used during the Strike Squad days......it was coach Gally Cummings' opinion that Latapy & Yorke did not play well together given the system T&T played. So who sat? Yorke.
By your question, obviously you never saw the Strike Squad in action because you would know that Latapy was indeed at the heart of everything they did offensively.
By the way....that "approach" of having Latapy at the heart of our offensive thrust in the Strike Squad got us to within 1 point of a WCQ spot.
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I will never forget that match against Norway when Latapy put de whole of T&T on his back and scored all three goals in de Oval and we beat dem 3-1. Dat was class boy!
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How much was Latapy used during the Strike Squad days?
(I really asking)
but ay ay..how you cant remember them 2 goals Jameson score agaianst Guatemala( i think)..same indentical goal..home and away..back to back games....and is Latapy who set it up too...Latapy was indeed central to the Strike Squad..more so than Yorke who was till a teenager.
Come to think of it..the fellas we have now not even capable of doing anything rehearsed like that..they can't even do a proper corner set piece..steups
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Yuh know all dem men who talking like if latapy wasn't nothing in TNT squad, if he was to make himself available to play they going and jump up like they win the lotto...
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I kinda remember he wasn't always on the field and he certainly wasn't the center of our plays like he was in later years
Maybe I understating his involvement with the strike squad but the point I trying to make is the difference to the way we used him then to how things went afterward where it seemed it was completely cenetered around him.
Tell me I lie or wrong to say he was much more at the center of things post strike squad?
It cud be just the other players didn't step up but when people talk about the strike squad was a team...that is not what T&T was afterward.
Maybe I should dust off them old videos and take another look but it might be too painful.
I not on this Nahkiid Latapy talk btw....I mostly thinking about if we used him well or if we cud have done things differently to avoid the one man show.
As for welcoming him back....I never thought I would be glad to have Dwight back in the squad but he prove otherwise....if latapy have the gutso to do the same thing then we truuly blessed.
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I will never forget that match against Norway when Latapy put de whole of T&T on his back and scored all three goals in de Oval and we beat dem 3-1. Dat was class boy!
Yuh sure? .... Leonson Lewis score one. I sure bout that. and the game end up 3-2... Norway were up 2-0 by like the 20th min
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I will never forget that match against Norway when Latapy put de whole of T&T on his back and scored all three goals in de Oval and we beat dem 3-1. Dat was class boy!
Yuh sure? .... Leonson Lewis score one. I sure bout that. and the game end up 3-2... Norway were up 2-0 by like the 20th min
Yes, Latapy scored all 3 goals (pen 24', 45' and pen 53'). The score was indeed 3-2, Norway was leading 2-0 after 20 minutes. Tore Andre Flo played in dat game.
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Latas over Nahkid ... That is a no brainer. Nahkid was never a defensive midfielder neither was Latas.. Nahkid might have been better defensively but Latas was wayyyyyyy ahead offensively. Every gam that Latas and Nahkid play together, how many goals were scored as a result of what Latas did as compared to what Nahkid did.. Also alll the goals scored against us, I don't rememeber any of them being around.
In answer to your question about how much was Latapy used during the Strike Squad days......it was coach Gally Cummings' opinion that Latapy & Yorke did not play well together given the system T&T played. So who sat?
Gally stated he did not use Latas and Yorke at the same time because of their similar style not because they did play well together, in the beginning it was a direct sub one for the other.
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Beenhakker to discuss home based players selection.
By: Shaun Fuentes.[/size]
National Senior Team head coach Leo Beenhakker is expected back in the country on Monday to resume training with a set of home-based and US-based players vying for selection on the team for upcoming World Cup preparation matches.
The former Ajax boss will arrive with assistant Wim Rijsbergen and both are expected to meet with fellow assistant Anton Corneal to further discuss the selection of players for the training sessions here and those who would have earned notable mention following the recent sessions with the Under 23 players based in the United States and home. This is all ahead of T&T’s next international match against Iceland on February 28 in London. Current T&T senior team MLS players home will also be considered but missing will be Aurtis Whitley and Cyd Gray, both currently away on trials in England and Densill Theobald, who heads off to Falkirk, Scotland today (Sunday).
Corneal, recently brought onto the technical staff by Beenhakker, said “We intend to show coach Beenhakker a video of the sessions with these Under 23 players and then we can make recommendations from there. We will decide whether they will join preparations before the World Cup and if not, we will look at those who can be in the program following the World Cup or for other national teams selection.”
Corneal was quick to commend the players who made themselves available for the recent training sessions.
We always have to thank them for making themselves available because we don’t want to end up in situations where we might lose a player to another country like the United States. Even if you get two players out of such an exercise then it would have been worth the time. So far we are on the right track because these players develop every year. They mature as individuals, they get better physically and their discipline in the game itself improves,” Corneal told TTFF Media.
Two of those players, defenders Anthony Noreiga and Julius James were also glad to be involved in the recent sessions. They also noted that since T&T’s qualification for Germany 2006, the country’s players on the outside are now moving around with more respect shown towards them.
“People don’t give talks anymore. They can’t since we qualify because now we are getting that bit of respect out there. All the Caribbean players too, like from Jamaica, can’t keep giving us talks because we have the bragging rights now and it’s just good for us because it will ensure that we try to keep those rights by playing at a high standard,” said James, formerly a national under 17 and St Anthony’s College player who is now at the University of Connecticut.
About the chance to train under national coaches recently, he added: “It’s really good because it makes us feel that the coaching staff and the Federation are looking out for the players especially those of us who have to come back home and get the chance to take part in a camp like this rather than all the focus just being on the big team. There’s a lot more encouragement now for players.”
Noreiga, who was involved in the MLS Combine sessions over the past few days and a standout with George Mason University, felt the same way.
“Well before people didn’t respect Trinidad and Tobago players. They felt we were always there just for show. We have talented players before but we were never able to really demonstrate it with any power. Now we have that and there’s a big turn around,” said the ex-Princes Town Senior Comprehensive and National Under 23 player.
T&T Women settle in Vera Cruz.
By: Shaun Fuentes.
Trinidad and Tobago’s Under 20 women’ team arrived at the Holiday Inn Boca Del Rio in Vera Cruz on Friday night and quickly settled in after a long journey from Piarco, via Miami then to Mexico City and then to Vera Cruz.
Miami based players Stephanie DeSousa and Kia Rigsby joined the team in Miami while Katrina Meyer (South Carolina University) and Maylee Attin Johnson (University of Tenessee) joined the team in Mexico City.
Coach Jamaal Shabazz could not pass through the USA due to visa complications, so he took four flights,through Venezuela, Cuba and Mexico City before finally arriving in Vera Cruz two hours after the rest of the team.
The team did a 30 minute walk to stretch their legs at a near by mall and were scheduled to have their first session yesterday (Saturday) evening.
So far all the players are fit and ready for the CONCACAF Under 20 World qualifying series.
Team Vice captain Maylee Attin-Johnson said: "It was a long flight but we are happy to be here so early so that we can settle down and get down to the business of focusing on the job we came here for.”
"To many people it is crazy to think about qualifying against such tough teams but based on what we learnt from our coach and the Soca Warriors, impossible is nothing, she added.
Shabazz added: “The players are focused we had the team practice the national anthem because we have three players who were not born in T&T and we are teaching them it. We also introduced them to the other anthem which is Maximus Dan`s ‘I Am A Soca Warrior’ and the girls jus love it.”
“The team is just in love with this song because it is so inspirational.”
T&T play their first match of the tournament against Canada on 18th January.
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Beenhakker sets World Cup schedule.
By: Shaun Fuentes.[/size]
National Senior team coach Leo Beenhakker has announced that this country’s team will next assemble back home on May 7 for their farewell affair against Peru before taking their final flight out of Piarco five days later before the 2006 World Cup.
Beenhakker finalized the team’s schedule on Friday straight up until its arrival in Rotenberg at the Landhaus Wachtelhof Hotel for their live-in base camp in Germany.
Skipper Dwight Yorke and the selected overseas-based pros will fly into Port of Spain on May 7 for the Peru encounter which will be played on May 10 and apart from the match they will partake in the nationwide motorcade and Gala Dinner before leaving the country on May 13 for the training camp in Manchester, England. The “Soca Warriors” will then leave Manchester on May 20 for Austria where they will take up base at Bad Radkersburg and stay at the Hotel Im Park.
The team will play its first training match of the camp against Austrian club champions Austria Wien on May 23 in Bad Radkersburg.
It will then face Wales in a friendly international on May 27 and then travel the short distance to Celje, Slovenia to face that country’s senior team in another international on May 31. The team will return to Bad Radkersburg and then set off for Prague where it will play its final warm-up international against Czech Republic in Prague on June 3. Beenhakker will then travel with his team from Prague to Rotenberg on June 4 ahead of its opening 2006 World Cup encounter with Sweden on June 10.
“This is the schedule we have finalized for our build up to the World Cup and it will provide us with what we need going into the tournament,” Beenhakker told TTFF Media. “Of course I am happy with it because we looked at everything to put it together and I know everything that went on.”
The team will next reassemble in London on February 26 and will hold two training sessions at the Queens Park Rangers training ground and one at the club’s match stadium at Loftus Road before the match on February 28. Following that, work will continue to be done with the home-based pros before May. Beenhakker will announce a provisional squad of thirty players next week from which the 20-man squad for the Iceland match will come from.
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GOING TO THE WORLD CUP WITH LEO BEENHAKKER
(socawarriorstt.com)
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1.You have worked in several countries. On what level would you put Trinidad and Tobago football today in comparison with more traditional teams?
It’s all about football. It’s as simple as that! On this level you are more focused on making players better in individual ways rather than bringing them together in the team. With big stars like Real Madrid your main job is to manage them to play together as a team. For our team we worked on putting all of this together and making them a real team.
2. How did you analyze the Trinidad and Tobago team at first sight in 2005? They were last in last on the table in World Cup qualifying.
It was difficult. But we saw that with some changes in organization and their philosophy of playing the game, we could make them a better team in a short time. Besides that, the opponents were not better in quality but only better on performance terms at that moment.
3. When did you believe that Trinidad and Tobago would get go to the World Cup? In CONCACAF qualifying or for the playoffs with Bahrain in November?
I always felt we had a chance but really after beating Panama and Mexico within four days and especially with the way we did it I thought we had a good chance.
4. To be in the World Cup with Trinidad and Tobago can be considered a miracle? Was it in some way like winning a Championship for the country on a whole and how was it for you as a coach?
It is a historic achievement for this country. For us as professionals the main part will be in Germany.
5. What can Trinidad and Tobago people hope for the National Team in
Germany from their opening game against Sweden and for the duration of it’s stay there.The people have the right to be hopeful and dream of big success. The team knows it will be difficult to be successful but we will go for it with passion, confidence and personality. The team will not go there just to participate.
6. Trinidad and Tobago is in a tough group with Sweden,England and Paraguay as the opponents. What will the approach be to get positive results. Some people say it will play a defensive style?
Is there any group that is easy? That’s what it’s all about in a World Cup. There are no easy opponents. No we will not be defensive. We will play the way we did in the qualification matches – not wit extra emphasis on defense. It’s not only a difficult group for us but also for the other teams.
7. How important is Dwight Yorke as captain and the other players, particularly the English-based to this national team? Their knowledge about English football will be important in Germany?
He is the leader of the team inside the field so he is an important player. And eighty percent of the players play in England and Scotland so they have all the knowledge about English football.
8. You have a team with both youthful and longtime experience. This mixture is obviously important in a World Cup?
This mix is always important. You need balance in a team in every way – in age, skills, characteristics and personalities.
9. Do you believe there will be some tactical revolution at this World Cup?
No! We have seen everything. I don’t expect more surprises as long as they don’t change the rules of the game. And they have to keep it that way. Football is more than ever very successful in every way.
10. Brazil is really the big favorite for the title? Which teams can be World champions and how can they achieve it?
Brazil has the most talented players. If they can unite as a real team then they will be champions.
11. In your opinion, who will the biggest star in Germany? Any surprises?
Ronaldinho without a doubt!
12. What will you do after the World Cup? Will you remain in Trinidad and Tobago or you already have another plan. Maybe return to Europe?
No idea! That’s in the future!
13. What gave you more pleasure - Coaching a small country and helping them realize a qualification dream or being in charge of your Netherlands team in 1990 in Italy?
Football is my passion. Working on whatever level gives me a lot of pleasure as long as it’s all about football.
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GOING TO THE WORLD CUP WITH LEO BEENHAKKER
(socawarriorstt.com)
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2. How did you analyze the Trinidad and Tobago team at first sight in 2005? They were last in last on the table in World Cup qualifying.
It was difficult. But we saw that with some changes in organization and their philosophy of playing the game, we could make them a better team in a short time. Besides that, the opponents were not better in quality but only better on performance terms at that moment.
4. To be in the World Cup with Trinidad and Tobago can be considered a miracle? Was it in some way like winning a Championship for the country on a whole and how was it for you as a coach?
It is a historic achievement for this country. For us as professionals the main part will be in Germany.
5. What can Trinidad and Tobago people hope for the National Team in
Germany from their opening game against Sweden and for the duration of it’s stay there.The people have the right to be hopeful and dream of big success. The team knows it will be difficult to be successful but we will go for it with passion, confidence and personality. The team will not go there just to participate.
6. Trinidad and Tobago is in a tough group with Sweden,England and Paraguay as the opponents. What will the approach be to get positive results. Some people say it will play a defensive style?
Is there any group that is easy? That’s what it’s all about in a World Cup. There are no easy opponents. No we will not be defensive. We will play the way we did in the qualification matches – not wit extra emphasis on defense. It’s not only a difficult group for us but also for the other teams.
7. How important is Dwight Yorke as captain and the other players, particularly the English-based to this national team? Their knowledge about English football will be important in Germany?
He is the leader of the team inside the field so he is an important player. And eighty percent of the players play in England and Scotland so they have all the knowledge about English football.
8. You have a team with both youthful and longtime experience. This mixture is obviously important in a World Cup?
This mix is always important. You need balance in a team in every way – in age, skills, characteristics and personalities.---->NOTICE HOW THE MAN BRINGS THIS OUT.
11. In your opinion, who will the biggest star in Germany? Any surprises?
Ronaldinho without a doubt! ---> :'( No Trini? :rotfl: :-\
12. What will you do after the World Cup? Will you remain in Trinidad and Tobago or you already have another plan. Maybe return to Europe?
No idea! That’s in the future! ----->We must do something about this... and soon!
I like how Beenhakker talks. He gives very good answers!
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GOING TO THE WORLD CUP WITH LEO BEENHAKKER
(socawarriorstt.com)
(http://socawarriorstt.com/cms/images/stories/leocig.jpg)
2. How did you analyze the Trinidad and Tobago team at first sight in 2005? They were last in last on the table in World Cup qualifying.
It was difficult. But we saw that with some changes in organization and their philosophy of playing the game, we could make them a better team in a short time. Besides that, the opponents were not better in quality but only better on performance terms at that moment.
4. To be in the World Cup with Trinidad and Tobago can be considered a miracle? Was it in some way like winning a Championship for the country on a whole and how was it for you as a coach?
It is a historic achievement for this country. For us as professionals the main part will be in Germany.
5. What can Trinidad and Tobago people hope for the National Team in
Germany from their opening game against Sweden and for the duration of it’s stay there.The people have the right to be hopeful and dream of big success. The team knows it will be difficult to be successful but we will go for it with passion, confidence and personality. The team will not go there just to participate.
6. Trinidad and Tobago is in a tough group with Sweden,England and Paraguay as the opponents. What will the approach be to get positive results. Some people say it will play a defensive style?
Is there any group that is easy? That’s what it’s all about in a World Cup. There are no easy opponents. No we will not be defensive. We will play the way we did in the qualification matches – not wit extra emphasis on defense. It’s not only a difficult group for us but also for the other teams.
7. How important is Dwight Yorke as captain and the other players, particularly the English-based to this national team? Their knowledge about English football will be important in Germany?
He is the leader of the team inside the field so he is an important player. And eighty percent of the players play in England and Scotland so they have all the knowledge about English football.
8. You have a team with both youthful and longtime experience. This mixture is obviously important in a World Cup?
This mix is always important. You need balance in a team in every way – in age, skills, characteristics and personalities.---->NOTICE HOW THE MAN BRINGS THIS OUT.
11. In your opinion, who will the biggest star in Germany? Any surprises?
Ronaldinho without a doubt! ---> :'( No Trini? :rotfl: :-\
12. What will you do after the World Cup? Will you remain in Trinidad and Tobago or you already have another plan. Maybe return to Europe?
No idea! That’s in the future! ----->We must do something about this... and soon!
I like how Beenhakker talks. He gives very good answers!
He really does.. with or without the cigarette in his mouth...
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The life and times of Leo Beenhakker.
By Ernst Bouwes (soccernet).
(Archive)
25-Jan-2011 - At a press conference in Stuttgart, where Feyenoord had just crushed VfB with a convincing 3-1 win in the first round of the 1998 UEFA Cup, a local reporter asked coach Leo Beenhakker what he thought of the sorry state of German football.
"Haben sie eine Stunde Zeit?" (Do you have an hour to spare) was Don Leo's triumphant answer. Hilarious. A fortnight later Stuttgart left De Kuip with a 3-0 win and a ticket to the second round. Their coach Winnie Schafer only needed to repeat the quote a couple of times to his squad. To be fair, at the end of the season Beenhakker proceeded to bring Feyenoord their only title in the last 18 years.
Beenhakker was never a professional player, but became the youngest coach (26) in the Netherlands when he started at second division club Veendam in 1968. His first job in the Eredivisie at Go Ahead Eagles was cut short when he was dismissed after eight months. Four years later, while working as a youth trainer at Ajax, he was suddenly propelled to take charge of the first team when coach Cor Brom had to leave in August 1979.
A year later, Beenhakker was called to the boardroom by chairman Ton Harmsen a year later with Ajax in mid-table position. "Leo, we have contracted Wim Jansen, back from the States. And for technical advice, you can call on Johan Cruyff."
The advice came sooner than Beenhakker expected. In the next home game, FC Twente surprised Ajax by taking a 3-1 lead. With half an hour remaining and the visitors still a goal up, Cruyff came walking through the tunnel with his hands in his pockets. A startled Beenhakker later said he should have kicked Cruyff in the backside and sent him back to where he came from. But there was hardly time for the coach to react as his new advisor immediately started directing. Wildly gesticulating, he put several players in different positions and Ajax won 5-3. Four months later. Beenhakker decided to quit.
After three seasons at Real Zaragoza, Beenhakker returned to unfancied Volendam to sensationally lead them up to third place in the table within four months. Suddenly, Leo was the cream of the crop and he led a coaches' revolt to replace national team boss Kees Rijvers with Rinus Michels for the 1986 World Cup qualifying campaign, as mentioned in my piece on June 1. When Michels was hospitalised with heart problems, Beenhakker was on hand to take the Dutch team part-time and reach a World Cup play-off.
Meanwhile, at Volendam the team tail-spinned from top to bottom and were relegated, with Leo leaving the club to take the Dutch team to Mexico for the World Cup. That also failed horribly but the Dutch FA still offered him a new contract, though Beenhakker chose to take the reins at Real Madrid, who were desperate to win the European Cup again.
In his three years in the Bernabeu, Beenhakker's team - including Hugo Sanchez, Emilio Butragueno, Michel, Gordillo and Sanchis, dominated the Primera Division, while he was the only coach to lead Real into a European Champions Cup semi-final between their finals of 1981 and 1998. Three of them, in fact, though the final dramatically eluded him on each occasion. The 1987-88 season was especially galling. Drawn against Maradona's FC Napoli and both 1987 finalists FC Porto and Bayern Munich, Real may have had the strongest opposition ever in the run-in to a semi-final. Next were PSV, who seemed laughable opponents in comparison. However, Real could get beyond two draws and Guus Hiddink's team went on to win the cup.
The next year, Don Leo seemed on his way to the promised land after a 2-0 home win over AC Milan in the semis, but a Van Basten-Gullit-induced tornado led to a historic 5-0 defeat in the San Siro. Within a week, Don Leo signed for Ajax ("It feels like coming home', he said, although he was born in Rotterdam) and they won their first title in five years in 1990.
At that time, his friend Rinus Michels was, as a Dutch FA board member, responsible for finding a new Netherlands coach to replace Thijs Libregts, fired only a month before the World Cup 1990. The players themselves voted for Johan Cruyff, a decision that was immediately leaked to the press, but Michels went for second-choice Don Leo, backed by a few Ajax players. Why Michels took that decision, we will never know as he took the secret into his grave. Perhaps it was a question of pride.
Arguably, Netherlands had the best players at the tournament, but the team disintegrated quickly from the moment they met. Beenhakker was caught in the middle of all kinds of conflicting players, staff and media, and he was the coach no one really wanted. His charm worked against him as the squad needed someone who could bang some heads together. Legendary is the press conference in which Don Leo came out with a Chinatown-esque plastered nose. Netherlands left Italia '90 out of the back door, covered in shame. Afterwards, Beenhakker draped himself in self-comiseration, claiming that that "less than 10 % of what happened came out".
He returned to Ajax, but was lured back to Madrid the next season for an ill-fated second spell at the Bernabeu. It was the start of an epic football journey with jobs all over the world from Central America to Saudi Arabia and Turkey. In between, he took Feyenoord to their last title in 1998, before again moving to Ajax as a technical director where, to his credit, he was one of the few who had faith in Zlatan Ibrahimovic. Later he stunned the football world by taking Trinidad & Tobago to the World Cup in 2006, but he failed to do so with Poland, who he coached in conjunction with a position as advisor at Feyenoord.
Disgruntled Polish FA chairman Grzegorz Lato took the opportunity to fire him as soon as was viable, which happened to come after a crushing 3-0 defeat against Slovenia. Lato, unable to wait, told the press first and Beenhakker was embarrassingly infomed by a TV reporter during his live post-game analysis of the game on the pitch.
Back at Feyenoord as technical director, Beenhakker excelled as the vexed, troubled football legend, who had seen it all. He started by telling the fans he would bring them back to the Coolsingel (a famous street in Rotterdam) to celebrate a title, despite knowing that the club was spiralling towards an almost inevitable breakdown.
Due to financial restrictions by the Dutch FA, Feyenoord hardly spent any money and when Beenhakker did choose to invest the last millions left in the war-chest, it was on Sekou Cisse of Roda JC - a misfiring, oft- injured forward. Of his loanees and free transfers, none have made the line-up on a permanent basis. Few were surprised when news that his expiring contract would not extended emerged, but Don Leo made such a song-and-dance about the way he was informed, that the board has no option than to kick him out immediately, with the decision revealed on Monday.
Leo Beenhakker has found himself a sort of niche position. He has no network of former team-mates to rely on, but in the meantime is also not restricted by that fact. Like a cuckoo he jumps from nest to nest, mostly leaving in acrimonious style, before sweet-talking himself into other jobs and charming his way into returning to old positions.
Beenhakker enjoys a good relationship with the press as he always gives them the idea that he has let them into a secret. Expect him to find a new job soon enough, though - knowing him - he may have one already.
(http://socawarriors.net/archive/beenhakker.jpg)
Personal information
Date of birth 2 August 1942 (1942-08-02)
Place of birth Rotterdam, Netherlands
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The path is clear...
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it real cold in holland right now.
T&T warm.
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All the best Don Leo!!! :beermug: :beermug:
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Found this little gem while browsing the internet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07dYYwxhlus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07dYYwxhlus)
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Beenhakker appointed at Ujpest sporting director
eurosport.com
Former Real Madrid and Netherlands coach Leo Beenhakker was appointed sporting director of Hungarian first division club Ujpest on Friday.
Beenhakker, 68, has also coached the national teams of Poland, Trinidad & Tobago and Saudi Arabia on his travels, plus European clubs including Ajax Amsterdam and Feyenoord and Mexican sides Guadalajara and America.
"Ujpest has to get back to the place in European football which is worthy of its traditions," Beenhakker told reporters.
Ujpest, founded in 1885, have won the Hungarian championship 20 times but the last was in 1998. They finished sixth last season. (Reporting by Zoltan Fazekas; Editing by Brian Homewood; To query or comment on this story email sportsfeedback@thomsonreuters.com
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RE: Ujpest ... Sven at Notts County comes to mind.
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http://www.trinidadexpress.com/sports/Beenhakker_hails_T_T_on_50th-167952365.html
Beenhakker hails T&T on 50th
Story Created: Aug 30, 2012 at 1:41 AM ECT
Former Trinidad and Tobago 2006 World Cup team head coach Leo Beenhakker has extended well wishes to this country as it approaches its 50th year of Independence anniversary date.
Beenhakker's 2006 World Cup players are among a prestige list of athletes who will be honoured at the Hilton Trinidad tonight and the Holland-born mastermind again recognised the tremendous efforts made by the players in qualifying for Germany 2006. T&T still holds the record as the smallest ever nation to qualify for a senior FIFA World Cup Finals.
"Congratulations and say hello to all the boys for me. It remains a pleasure for me to have worked with them and to have been part of the whole occasion in 2006. Good luck to your country in the future," Beenhakker said in a note to TTFF Media.
Dwight Yorke, one of Beenhakker's biggest troopers, who captained the team in 2006, also spoke of his top moment representing T&T.
"It has to be when we defeated Bahrain. Going there, needing to get a result and achieving it was a great accomplishment not just for me personally but for us as a country," Yorke said.
"Of course I've had some very big moments while playing for Manchester United but getting to the World Cup and then getting a draw in our first game against Sweden has to be up there with the best of them.
November 19th, 1989 is also very memorable for me even though it was a sad time because we didn't make it through to Italy. I would like to see our football get back to that stage again where we are actually competing well against the rest of the region and giving ourselves a good chance of achieving success like we did before."
Another stalwart in T&T football, Russell Latapy said the victory over Bahrain stands out for him but he also had a couple other huge moments.
"The victory in Bahrain stands out for me because of what it meant to the country and football in general for us. I didn't think I would have the chance to be part of such an achievement but it happened.
And it's more than just what it meant for me personally. I think as a country with the talent that we have, it was important for us to get to a World Cup at some point," Latapy said.
"Some of the other moments that stand out for me is the winner versus Mexico (in 2000 at the Hasely Crawford Stadium) and taking the field against Paraguay in our last game at the World Cup."
Current ESPN analyst Shaka Hislop, who stood tall in two of T&T's World Cup matches against Sweden and England, placed the playing of the national anthem at the top of his list.
"That's quite easy," Hislop said. "Hearing our National Anthem played in Dortmund before the Sweden game is definitely number one. I had my doubts as to whether I'd ever witness such a thing. I never thought in my wildest dreams that I'd be on the pitch as it was being played."
And as to what Hislop's hope is for T&T's football in the next fifty years, his response was " My hope for Trinidad and Tobago football is to see the local game be self sufficient and producing players as it did 30 or 40 years ago."
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Well said fellas. We will get back there. You can't keep a good people down for ever.
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They should have invited LEO to celebrate with the Boys. Now that would have been a celebration. To really talk about Love somewhere in the proceedings , The Honorable Jack Warner would have made a public apology to the players and individually hand them a brown envelope. No need to mention the obvious, I mean inside the envelope. It is celebration time so Customs would not ask the Question where the money came from? Forgive me my name is Joseph and I am a dreamer.
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:rotfl: Injun, you too funny but :beermug: for that piece.
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Thank you Don Leo for all of your efforts. :beermug: :beermug:
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Leo Beenhakker made history when he took T&T to their first ever world cup and he ain't asked for an extra cent.
Yet we have hungry players who only wants money.
They put money first and then country.
Lets see if they will form a players union now, something they have been planning 10 years now. They can't do NOTHING right !!!!! they can't even come together and do nothing, they only for themselves, the same way they describe Jack, is the same way they are.
Shaka Hislop mouth disappear now, Sancho could buy a next Japs franchise, Kelvin could finally get a new apartment, Stern John could pay off the kid that wants to buss his ass in T&T, Wolfe could campaign for PNM full time now, Atiba and Whitley could stop working PH, the list goes one.
They want millions for an own goal in the world cup. In Colombia Sancho would have been shot.
Hungry black people, like crabs in barrels.
Jack spend millions on Marvin Lee, nobody else you heard a peep from.
Thank God its Concacaf money they got, because Jack not giving them a red cent.
By the way, Tim Kee have a lot of secrets and now he have a scapegoat, Sheldon Phillips, the man have a lot of education and no common sense.
The new dictators, Corneal, Shabazz and Tim Kee. Wait, becareful what you guys wish for.
Notice, they still sticking to the old TTFF Constitution despite changing their name to TTFA.
At least Jack gave back a little.
You can't even get Tim Kee to do a proper and honest interview for you guys here.
When you guys realise that football is now a business then you will understand where Jack was coming from.
Nobody cares about country anymore.
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U get a bull from JW lastnight and you happpy...fair is fair breds...when yoy understand that then you'll realize where we coming from!!!
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Troll thread move along nothing to see here
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All dat money Beenhakker make and you wanted to give more? For what ? Playing 10 men behind de ball..keeping Latapy on the bench for two critical games..Beenhakker didn't deserv an extra cent.
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He probably didnt ask for an extra penny..but i bet he was definetly paid what was promised to him.
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Leo Beenhakker made history when he took T&T to their first ever world cup and he ain't asked for an extra cent.
Yet we have hungry players who only wants money.
They put money first and then country.
Lets see if they will form a players union now, something they have been planning 10 years now. They can't do NOTHING right !!!!! they can't even come together and do nothing, they only for themselves, the same way they describe Jack, is the same way they are.
Shaka Hislop mouth disappear now, Sancho could buy a next Japs franchise, Kelvin could finally get a new apartment, Stern John could pay off the kid that wants to buss his ass in T&T, Wolfe could campaign for PNM full time now, Atiba and Whitley could stop working PH, the list goes one.
They want millions for an own goal in the world cup. In Colombia Sancho would have been shot.
Hungry black people, like crabs in barrels.
Jack spend millions on Marvin Lee, nobody else you heard a peep from.
Thank God its Concacaf money they got, because Jack not giving them a red cent.
By the way, Tim Kee have a lot of secrets and now he have a scapegoat, Sheldon Phillips, the man have a lot of education and no common sense.
The new dictators, Corneal, Shabazz and Tim Kee. Wait, becareful what you guys wish for.
Notice, they still sticking to the old TTFF Constitution despite changing their name to TTFA.
At least Jack gave back a little.
You can't even get Tim Kee to do a proper and honest interview for you guys here.
When you guys realise that football is now a business then you will understand where Jack was coming from.
Nobody cares about country anymore.
Yuh really want 'Tiba and Otis to stop pulling bull?........what madness I really hearing?...lol
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Leo Beenhakker made history when he took T&T to their first ever world cup and he ain't asked for an extra cent.
Yet we have hungry players who only wants money.
They put money first and then country.
Lets see if they will form a players union now, something they have been planning 10 years now. They can't do NOTHING right !!!!! they can't even come together and do nothing, they only for themselves, the same way they describe Jack, is the same way they are.
Shaka Hislop mouth disappear now, Sancho could buy a next Japs franchise, Kelvin could finally get a new apartment, Stern John could pay off the kid that wants to buss his ass in T&T, Wolfe could campaign for PNM full time now, Atiba and Whitley could stop working PH, the list goes one.
They want millions for an own goal in the world cup. In Colombia Sancho would have been shot.
Hungry black people, like crabs in barrels.
Jack spend millions on Marvin Lee, nobody else you heard a peep from.
Thank God its Concacaf money they got, because Jack not giving them a red cent.
By the way, Tim Kee have a lot of secrets and now he have a scapegoat, Sheldon Phillips, the man have a lot of education and no common sense.
The new dictators, Corneal, Shabazz and Tim Kee. Wait, becareful what you guys wish for.
Notice, they still sticking to the old TTFF Constitution despite changing their name to TTFA.
At least Jack gave back a little.
You can't even get Tim Kee to do a proper and honest interview for you guys here.
When you guys realise that football is now a business then you will understand where Jack was coming from.
Nobody cares about country anymore.
you never get stranded on ah taxi stand. dem fellas is ah godsend when yuh looking to reach home
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He probably didnt ask for an extra penny..but i bet he was definetly paid what was promised to him.
Ent! :thumbsup:
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Analogy,
Mr Horner builds walkovers, these walkovers provide a safe passage for pedestrians over busy roadways where alternatively pedestrians would have to risk safety trying to cross these roadways.
Mr Horner recently built a walkover over a roadway and was promised payment by the relevant authority based on a verbal contract and Mr Horner proceeded to take legal action because he was never paid as per the agreed verbal contract.
Using Mr Horner's logic he should never pursue action to get his money because walkovers provide an essential service to people, Mr Horner should walk away with the national pride that now citizens will enjoy a safer movement over busy roadways and Mr Horner is just being greedy because the authority says that they can't come up with the funds as per the verbal agreement.
International football is still professional football where the federation functions as per any other private club. Contractual agreements, verbal, written or otherwise must be upheld. If blame has to be ascertained, blame the federation for agreeing terms or letting persons on their behalf agree on terms that the federation is now accountable for. Unless the terms were on a performance based criteria then the results on the field are irrelevant to the substantive matter of compensation.
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This has to be the stupidest post I have seen on this forum since I have been on over the last 9 years or so. Leo Beenhakker had a contract as coach and was paid for his services. The players were not asking for more money. They were asking for the money that was promised to them, not a penny more; and they eventually settled for less. This post is misleading, false and slanderous, while denigrating the players who did so much to put our country in a good spotlight, while Jack Warner did all he could (allegedly to bring shame and disgrace to every Trini. I wonder if his real name is Jack Warner!
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This has to be the stupidest post I have seen on this forum since I have been on over the last 9 years or so. Leo Beenhakker had a contract as coach and was paid for his services. The players were not asking for more money. They were asking for the money that was promised to them, not a penny more; and they eventually settled for less. This post is misleading, false and slanderous, while denigrating the players who did so much to put our country in a good spotlight, while Jack Warner did all he could (allegedly to bring shame and disgrace to every Trini. I wonder if his real name is Jack Warner!
Indubitably!!!!
I not in the name-calling business eh, but dis man have to be an idiot to even begin to make dis comparison, it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever!!
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Save allyuh powder fuh a viable target. Consider Horner a mirage. Dis is joke ting.
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???
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Allyuh does be dignifying man comments by your responses. :yellowcard:
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Is not really dignifying I feel, cause I do a good job of just shaking meh head when men post cacaholeness...but I think it might do dis fellah some good (ah know dais ah stretch) to see dat peeps really know him for the backsidehole dat he is....ah know wishful-thinking right :)
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washer woman
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Move this to the jokes section.
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somebody kill this thread please.........
so allyuh think any of them Bayern players will play tomorrow??? I would personally love to see Lahm play just to see how Klinsman would react to him both during and after the game.
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Nah, bring it back up. Let the braying donkey know that we support OUR players. They did the work on the pitch. Not JW. They also played with determination and pride. I was brought to tears after the Mexico and Bahrain matches in particular. Shaka is also a good man who doesn't need the money, he fights it because he has a sense of pride and integrity. He's a respected espn sports analyst, and is wealthy from years of playing football and his own personal affairs, you think he has any reason to fight this past personal pride? Compare his character to that of JW's.
And so when Jack Warner produces proper accounts for LOC 2006 limited (which was the company that collected all the funds for Socawarriors and which he has been asked to produce and never has) ya know... the one that has 150 million dollars or so missing from it? Then we can talk. Otherwise hush your ass, cuz no one eh really taking you and your stupidity on.
Defending a man who tells someone on hunger strike to "hurry up and die". Or retorts to a reports with "go ask ya moder". Zero class, not only has every last scandal piled up, but the man in his actual character is (for lack of a better term) nasty. More than any Trini footballers, when Trinidad is talked about on a world football scale, Warner's shadiness comes up first and it is embarrassing. So really, Horner, give it a rest na.
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Nah, bring it back up. Let the braying donkey know that we support OUR players. They did the work on the pitch. Not JW. They also played with determination and pride. I was brought to tears after the Mexico and Bahrain matches in particular. Shaka is also a good man who doesn't need the money, he fights it because he has a sense of pride and integrity. He's a respected espn sports analyst, and is wealthy from years of playing football and his own personal affairs, you think he has any reason to fight this past personal pride? Compare his character to that of JW's.
And so when Jack Warner produces proper accounts for LOC 2006 limited (which was the company that collected all the funds for Socawarriors and which he has been asked to produce and never has) ya know... the one that has 150 million dollars or so missing from it? Then we can talk. Otherwise hush your ass, cuz no one eh really taking you and your stupidity on.
Defending a man who tells someone on hunger strike to "hurry up and die". Or retorts to a reports with "go ask ya moder". Zero class, not only has every last scandal piled up, but the man in his actual character is (for lack of a better term) nasty. More than any Trini footballers, when Trinidad is talked about on a world football scale, Warner's shadiness comes up first and it is embarrassing. So really, Horner, give it a rest na.
Ah like you!!!
Well effing said!!!!
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the relevant question should be: "Who is Jack Horner?"
Come clean nah man and stop hiding behind a fictitious account.
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TTFF woos the Don: Beenhakker considers stunning Warriors return
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868).
After settling a seven-year financial dispute with Trinidad and Tobagos 2006 World Cup players, Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) president Raymond Tim Kee is attempting another stunning blast from the past.
Famous Dutch coach Leo Beenhakker, the only man to lead Trinidad and Tobago to a senior World Cup tournament, was at the Romania National Arena today in Bucharest to watch the Soca Warriors in action.
More pertinently, the 70-year-old Beenhakker is understood to be mulling over an offer to return to Trinidad and Tobagos football.
Wired868 understands that Tim Kee, through general secretary Sheldon Phillips, has approached Beenhakker for help in a technical capacity rather than as head coach. However a return to run the bench, at least in the short term, has not been ruled out by either party.
At present, Beenhakker works as a football consultant but is not known to have had steady employment since he left Hungarian outfit, Ujpest FC, in 2011.
Beenhakker, who was nicknamed Don Leo in Spain due to his fondness for cigars and dry wit, coached his first team in 1965 and has built up an enviable CV and a wealth of knowledge since.
Apart from his success with the Warriors, Beenhakker led Poland to the European Champions for the first time in 2008 and booked Saudi Arabias first World Cup berth in 1994 while he also led Holland at the 1990 World Cup and coached Real Madrid, Ajax and Feyenood twice each.
Arguably, Beenhakker did his best work at the worlds most successful club as, in three successive seasons between 1986 and 1989, he steered Real Madrid to three La Liga titles, two Spanish Super Cups and one Copa Del Rey.
He would be in no illusions about the scale of his task if he does agree to rejoin the Warriors.
Collectively, Trinidad and Tobago was poor today and managed one real attempt at goal in a 4-0 loss to Romania.
At present, former Strike Squad stand-out Hutson Barber Charles and Neal and Massy Caledonia AIA coach Jamaal Shabazz are operating as joint head coaches although they do not have contracts from the TTFF and work on a game-by-game basis. Last year, Charles and Shabazz led Trinidad and Tobago to second place at the 2012 Caribbean Cup and, in the process, booked the nations first CONCACAF Gold Cup berth since 2007.
The present TTFF technical director, Anton Corneal, worked as an assistant coach under Beenhakker at the 2006 World Cup.
Present national midfielders Densill Theobald and Chris Birchall, striker Cornell Glen and goalkeeper Jan-Michael Williams all played under Beenhakker during his last spell as well as Stoke City forward Kenwyne Jones, who was not selected for this tour.
The Warriors were a pragmatic bunch under the Dutchmans watch and more renowned for solid defensive work than flair. Beenhakker famously kept the ageing Russell Little Magician Latapy on the bench for all but 30 minutes at the Germany World Cup while his most celebrated result of the final was a goalless draw against Sweden.
However, Beenhakker never lost a match in Trinidad where the Warriors managed wins over Bermuda (twice), Guatemala, Panama and Mexico and draws against Bahrain and Peru. There were two famous road victories too as Trinidad and Tobago beat Panama 1-0 away before decisively defeating Bahrain in a World Cup play-off in Manama.
Beenhakkers Gold Cup record is patchier. Trinidad and Tobago drew against Honduras and Panama at the 2005 Gold Cup before a 2-0 loss to Colombia eliminated the Warriors at the group stage.
There is a possibility that Beenhakker might be back to set that right in the immediate future. At 71, he is still a year younger than Sir Alex Ferguson was when he won his last England Premier League title with Manchester United. Ferguson will continue to work at United as a club director.
Tim Kee certainly hopes Don Leo has received an offer he cannot refuse and that the veteran coach would once more share his knowledge with the TTFF.
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WAYZZZZZ
Just talking about this today
Leo and Dwight plus Beenhakker FOREIGN assistants and mentor Dwight into running the team.. Yorke is doing his badges and has the man management side of him too.. would be a perfect combo
It is time for Shabazz and Charles to be let go, we have a good pool of players and we cannot get better under those guys.. and massive rumours of players within the team not happy with the standard of coaching currently.. not just Peltier, plenty big names
Anton needs to be replaced too.. no technical director should have any say on a SENIOR national team.. let the TD focus on youth development
WOW this would be great
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Aww man. Don't play with my emotions like this.
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U lie not all fools,?
The special one!
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Can this be done BEFORE the GC?!?!?!?!
PLEASE??????
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Guess who was in Romania taking in the game (@ 0.22 secs)?
http://www.youtube.com/v/kRfpiyb8LdE
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How did they get this big-ish game boi. My heart is racing. I long for days when we use to make the hex...
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Bring him home !
Bring a staff and mentor Dwighty.. serious talk..
If they doing it they have to get Leo in charge from next week Monday...
EVERYONE WANTS THIS
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Lord I hope this is true.
BTW I didn't see Jamal Shabazz and co. at the game..
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Lord I hope this is true.
BTW I didn't see Jamal Shabazz and co. at the game..
Where were they? I see two old men sit down on bench
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Doh make joke nah man.
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Clutches rosary, looks on at Lakshmi, and prays to Allah that this rumor is true.
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i hope he bringing a very good young coach with him
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Tim kee just get a new good coach forget the past this guy should have gotten the job ahead of otto
Erwin Koeman
https://www.youtube.com/v/OWjSh2AWeRc
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Honestly the level of respect Leo will receive from the players can't be compared. If we decide to have a friendly people will come out just because he is involved in the team again. The public will get excited again. Right now the majority just don't care about our football and content to watch our guys shine in the IPL and forget about football. We need something to make the people remember. I think Leo is that person. But I do agree that there should be a younger version of himself (not another Wim or whatever his name was) waiting to take over, someone who is just as aggressive and shows it.
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Tim kee just get a new good coach forget the past this guy should have gotten the job ahead of otto
Erwin Koeman
https://www.youtube.com/v/OWjSh2AWeRc
I believe this Dutch coach would have moved on with his interest since we got knocked out of 2014 World Cup qualifying.
However if he is still available or interested then we should give him a call.
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Petition online already !
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/leo-beenhakker-for-tt-head-coach.html
SIGN IT UP !
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:praying:
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Petition online already !
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/leo-beenhakker-for-tt-head-coach.html
SIGN IT UP !
I don't like the wording of the petition. It makes it seem like the goal is to do well in the GoldCup so if we don't then it will be deemed a failure. In my opinion the goal should be for the development of team, putting together a good side that works, that is motivated and competitive, one competition is not the end all. I am thinking 2016 here.
I can't sign that petition even though I want him back.
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Ah what the heck, I'll sign it anyway.
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This would be fantastic, and a big improvement to the team.
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His first recommendation..Fire Shabazzzz!
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My heart start racin...ah don leo tabanca......tim kee say he get a offer he can't refuse......start taking ovet alreadyyyyyy!!
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leo is 70 people time to move forward .......
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leo is 70 people time to move forward .......
Seriously?
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If he coming back, I hope he brings a young coaching staff with him. Maybe Koeman or Rijkard.
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He must be say what shit im i looking at here boy.
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Aww man. Don't play with my emotions like this.
Those were the first words that came to my mind.
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If he coming back, I hope he brings a young coaching staff with him. Maybe Koeman or Rijkard.
Allyuh have rijkard money??
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Don Leo thank you. Oh shit, Let us live in 2013 nah man. Don Leo pull off a miracle on the back of Latapy coming on versus Guatemala & John beating a Mexico that already
qualified & did not bring all their starters (yes I said it). Then Dennis Lawrence take us to the big stage.
Do we have Latapy, Yorke, Lawrence, John, Shaka, NO! NO1 Oh flick man, let us build for the future nah man.
Welcome Don Leo home as an adviser for the football organization and structure in the the country, especially the youth, & pro league. get government and or private corp on board and watch the ride 2022.
All who really feel Don Leo making any drastic difference to this present crop of players, might as well believe in Harry Potter. If all of allyuh was to pick a CONCACAF
team right now how much players from T&T making that 11 -16-22???
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leo is 70 people time to move forward .......
My only concern is if he have the health/energy/motivation to be effective.
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leo is 70 people time to move forward .......
My only concern is if he have the health/energy/motivation to be effective.
Maybe his managerial prowess is dimished at age 70, but Beenie would be a powerful resource for consulting with the setup of programs and academies and helping to overhaul the league and organizational structure of football. At his worst he probably better than anything we have in place now.
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He doesn't have to be the coach but I would like him to be there. All you guys are saying the right players aren't being selected. I think its because we have local coaches and these guys know the fellas to well (and not always in a good way). I want a team selected with an unbiased eye, a team that makes sense. And what's all this talk that Leo was successful on the back of Latapy. Don't disrespect the man like that. Yes some players were key... but there are always key players on any team. John was a key player then. This is like saying Germany only played well because they had Ballak and Klose were there. The coach uses what available and wants to pick the best team. You can't expect him to not want to use the best players available. that's a short sighted logic.
What I think Leo will be good at is picking a team and getting them to work well and make sense.
Yes he is old, no one saying he has to be the coach but his presence will be enough to get public interested in football again, and hopefully come out and support the team, motivate the players and so forth.
Also we should get new coaches, people who may not be super expensive but could learn from Leo and match his style. Then they will eventually earn the respect of the players and the public. respect is earned. No one will be respected like Leo... unless the get Alex Fergie or something...lol
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Football is football ...but what good would this do?
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Don Leo thank you. Oh shit, Let us live in 2013 nah man. Don Leo pull off a miracle on the back of Latapy coming on versus Guatemala & John beating a Mexico that already
qualified & did not bring all their starters (yes I said it). Then Dennis Lawrence take us to the big stage.
Do we have Latapy, Yorke, Lawrence, John, Shaka, NO! NO1 Oh flick man, let us build for the future nah man.
Welcome Don Leo home as an adviser for the football organization and structure in the the country, especially the youth, & pro league. get government and or private corp on board and watch the ride 2022.
All who really feel Don Leo making any drastic difference to this present crop of players, might as well believe in Harry Potter. If all of allyuh was to pick a CONCACAF
team right now how much players from T&T making that 11 -16-22???
I believe he would indeed make a drastic difference... in defensive organization and shape alone.
but I don't think he is the answer.
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One set ah dotishness...self reliance.. we don't understand what dat means. Colonialism finish..leave these European people alone..we have more appropriate advisers in Gally Cummings, Bertille St Claire, Jan Steadman, Dick Furlonge, Stuart Charles.
Stop it!
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One set ah dotishness...self reliance.. we don't understand what dat means. Colonialism finish..leave these European people alone..we have more appropriate advisers in Gally Cummings, Bertille St Claire, Jan Steadman, Dick Furlonge, Stuart Charles.
Stop it!
Shut it. Enough with them fellas
Let them be understudy.
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I refuse 2 get excited.
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One set ah dotishness...self reliance.. we don't understand what dat means. Colonialism finish..leave these European people alone..we have more appropriate advisers in Gally Cummings, Bertille St Claire, Jan Steadman, Dick Furlonge, Stuart Charles.
Stop it!
I think part of being a mature person and nation is knowing when you've been beat. This has NOTHING to do with dependency. It is about demanding the best and expecting nothing but greatness. You are the one with the wrong attitude. We are just supposed to accept sub-bar coaching because they are born here. How is that making any sense. How is that pushing us forward as a nation. Look at the level of European football, look at our level. What is wrong with using their expertise. I'm sure a Dutch cricket team won't turn up their noses at the coach from the West Indies... because that is what we know, that is what we are good at. Why should we say no to European football coach when football is what they know, and the are far more effective than us.
Honestly that statement is the most absurd thing I have read in a while.
Does USA suffer from the same dependency syndrome because they have a German coach.
This is not an opportunity for a lesson about colonialism. This is about football and nothing more. If you think we deserve sub-par coaches then sure we should hire guys that have been habitual failures and play favorites all the time.
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One set ah dotishness...self reliance.. we don't understand what dat means. Colonialism finish..leave these European people alone..we have more appropriate advisers in Gally Cummings, Bertille St Claire, Jan Steadman, Dick Furlonge, Stuart Charles.
Stop it!
I think part of being a mature person and nation is knowing when you've been beat. This has NOTHING to do with dependency. It is about demanding the best and expecting nothing but greatness. You are the one with the wrong attitude. We are just supposed to accept sub-bar coaching because they are born here. How is that making any sense. How is that pushing us forward as a nation. Look at the level of European football, look at our level. What is wrong with using their expertise. I'm sure a Dutch cricket team won't turn up their noses at the coach from the West Indies... because that is what we know, that is what we are good at. Why should we say no to European football coach when football is what they know, and the are far more effective than us.
Honestly that statement is the most absurd thing I have read in a while.
Does USA suffer from the same dependency syndrome because they have a German coach.
This is not an opportunity for a lesson about colonialism. This is about football and nothing more. If you think we deserve sub-par coaches then sure we should hire guys that have been habitual failures and play favorites all the time.
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If he coming back, I hope he brings a young coaching staff with him. Maybe Koeman or Rijkard.
Deeks Koeman & Rjkaard past the assistant stage. In their own right they are head coaches
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One set ah dotishness...self reliance.. we don't understand what dat means. Colonialism finish..leave these European people alone..we have more appropriate advisers in Gally Cummings, Bertille St Claire, Jan Steadman, Dick Furlonge, Stuart Charles.
Stop it!
Coache, hush yuh mouth!
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Ppl worshiping false idols, and want to throw what little gold behind dem too...Build a statue a golden statue, maybe he will come..
Chupidness..
Fact: Lightning rarely strike the same place twice, unless yuh have some indusive source, like ah metal rod..Somebody have ah metal rod ? Hold it up let meh see nah ? oh shim, NEXT :D
Stop trying to buy allyuh way through stuff...We have to work it out, use our heads and hands to pull together. TOGETHER...we cyah even pull together on this board, and as fans, we expect to see that on the field..cause what yuh see on the field is what is representing we, regardless of what position You take..
Anybody who coach now, will get they arse cut...we not gonna suddenly start winning..so Yuh bring in big Money now, no gaurantees, he could doh what the hell he want, and NOT LOOK bad..We have all kinda football experts, all kinda qualified ppl, all kinda knowledgable fans...but we have no unity, cause everybody worshipping/respecting somebody else..Start by respecting self and EVERYBODY else..
Tim Kee borrowing money, football depending on funding. Nah, ah surprised man in bawl " We should be in talks with Fergie. Dwight could hook him up man "...if anybody say good idea, ah go get real vex, eh..so much to say, but don't know how
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De Don woulda get licks yesterday too. Allyuh feel we had big league players yesterday of de calibre of Dwight, Shaka and Latas. What was a reasonable expectation given our recent history vs Guyana, Grenada, Bermuda and Antigua? St Kitts does give we fits now. Re: Dwight Yorke coaching. Decent enough idea but he still have ties to a few players on de team. De Coach / Fren thing doh always pan out. De fellas go tune him out real quick.. Back to the Don, can he handle this re-building project? The cupboard is certainly not full like before and it's not a fine tuning role. We also have a leadership void on the team.
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Again no one saying he has to coach. Just there as an adviser. We can't afford Fergie. We, as nation will have to take a loan to afford Fergie. However if we can have him as an adviser to scout talent and hook these players up with good teams then sure. Lets look at coaches we can afford please.
Btw no one is worshiping anyone. Yes, we have affection for the man but it is warranted. He was a good coach and he saw things in players we didn't see.
I am not saying we are going to start winning. My whole thing is getting a best team together and having these guys motivated and working well together... the winning will eventually come. We need to sort out the team first.
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Clutches rosary, looks on at Lakshmi, and prays to Allah that this rumor is true.
lol! yuh fuget to rub buddha belly
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http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/leo-beenhakker-for-tt-head-coach.html
SIGN AND SHARE if you would like to see Leo Return to the senior team as Head Coach in time for the 2013 CONCACAF Gold Cup next month
Many Thanks!
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so with all the ole talk with men having multiple accounts....... who is 'Beenhakker Petition' ?
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Who knows i lost track of people constantly changing name and accounts
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Before Gally Cummings we had Dutch coach..de National Team looked like crap ..in came Gally Cummings the National team played the best football to date. After Cummings we had our ups and downs then we gone back to the Dutch..the football looked like crap..the football still crappy because we trying to use Dutch philosophy and don't know what we doing.
This is ruining our football. Look at the U17 team, Beenhakker team 06, and look at the way we played yesterday. That style of football is inhibitory to our players.
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Before Gally Cummings we had Dutch coach..de National Team looked like crap ..in came Gally Cummings the National team played the best football to date. After Cummings we had our ups and downs then we gone back to the Dutch..the football looked like crap..the football still crappy because we trying to use Dutch philosophy and don't know what we doing.
This is ruining our football. Look at the U17 team, Beenhakker team 06, and look at the way we played yesterday. That style of football is inhibitory to our players.
You blaming our crappy football on Dutch style? How about crappy players bad selection and poor coaching.
Let's not forget we have no proper league in the country also.
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Coache at times you sound more like an antagonist more that anything else !! jeezanages coache take it easy :)
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desperation ... omg ::)
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so with all the ole talk with men having multiple accounts....... who is 'Beenhakker Petition' ?
How all yuh sure it eh a new poster?
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Before Gally Cummings we had Dutch coach..de National Team looked like crap ..in came Gally Cummings the National team played the best football to date. After Cummings we had our ups and downs then we gone back to the Dutch..the football looked like crap..the football still crappy because we trying to use Dutch philosophy and don't know what we doing.
This is ruining our football. Look at the U17 team, Beenhakker team 06, and look at the way we played yesterday. That style of football is inhibitory to our players.
You blaming our crappy football on Dutch style? How about crappy players bad selection and poor coaching.
Let's not forget we have no proper league in the country also.
DHW I startin to tink dat JC was right........Coache is troll, we coaches are clearly not tactically minded and for all intents and purposes may simply be glorified trainers
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so with all the ole talk with men having multiple accounts....... who is 'Beenhakker Petition' ?
How all yuh sure it eh a new poster?
It jus toooooo obvious ....I feel is another crotch ah mean coache attack
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This point about players and coaches in Trinidad is a point taken to a point. Despite the coaching shortcomings we have in Trinidad and Tobago..we still produce good players.
We have what we have..what we have to do is understand what we have and make the best of it.
If we have green mango then we could make mango chow..why take green mango and try to make pine apple juice..
This is what we are trying to do currently. Gally said it and I am saying it and Shabba said himself..we having problems in attack because we playing too deep and the players are too far away from each other causing each player to make a pass that is too long..this is Dutch football..we have to play closer together and maximize our abilities in a smaller area.
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Leo the don return is more than welcome , but i refrain from getting excited until its confirmed officially!! he brings knowledge and experience to the game... it is hoped provided the news is true of his potential return that a selected team of intuitive , talented local coaches be chosen as understudies to work alongside him and his assistants .... no doubt a longterm structured approach is needed .....
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This point about players and coaches in Trinidad is a point taken to a point. Despite the coaching shortcomings we have in Trinidad and Tobago..we still produce good players.
We have what we have..what we have to do is understand what we have and make the best of it.
If we have green mango then we could make mango chow..why take green mango and try to make pine apple juice..
This is what we are trying to do currently. Gally said it and I am saying it and Shabba said himself..we having problems in attack because we playing too deep and the players are too far away from each other causing each player to make a pass that is too long..this is Dutch football..we have to play closer together and maximize our abilities in a smaller area.
He is the coach incharge, why not fix it then?
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so with all the ole talk with men having multiple accounts....... who is 'Beenhakker Petition' ?
How all yuh sure it eh a new poster?
It jus toooooo obvious ....I feel is another crotch ah mean coache attack
:rotfl:
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Before Gally Cummings we had Dutch coach..de National Team looked like crap ..in came Gally Cummings the National team played the best football to date. After Cummings we had our ups and downs then we gone back to the Dutch..the football looked like crap..the football still crappy because we trying to use Dutch philosophy and don't know what we doing.
This is ruining our football. Look at the U17 team, Beenhakker team 06, and look at the way we played yesterday. That style of football is inhibitory to our players.
Coache what are you talking about! "Before Gally we had a Dutch Coach!" Who was that Coache? I know you not talking about Jan Zwartkruis. Because he was brought in in 1981 as a TD to help with the Player development & advise Roderick Warner who was coach at the time. He did not stay more than a year. Could not handle the level of incompetence administratively & did not get support from many of our so called top coaches at the time. Back in 198-84 (not sure of dates) a number of our top players was banned from T&T representation due to playing in Premier. Roderick handled the team for the WCQ in 1985 & then I don't know who took over. Gally took over in late 1987.
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jamal shabazz needs to get fit , (oh sorry my badd ), but seriously i say again jamal shabazz at the helm of the national men's team is not the man to take our football forward ..
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Socalion..I echo your sentiments...
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One time we could bring back in Latas and Yorke.
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One time we could bring back in Latas and Yorke.
You know i would not doubt Yorke would play better than some of them sadly
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I really don't feel Leo can help us nah. The current cast is way below the 2006 crew.
Let me correct myself, he can help, but to improve us to the point of success, that looks out of reach.
By success I mean steady improvements culminating in a CONCACAF top 4 contender.
I would love to be proven wrong though.
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I really don't feel Leo can help us nah. The current cast is way below the 2006 crew.
Let me correct myself, he can help, but to improve us to the point of success, that looks out of reach.
By success I mean steady improvements culminating in a CONCACAF top 4 contender.
I would love to be proven wrong though.
Remember Wim? Even he carry us to a goal cup with a similar team, playing better ball. The raw talent is there. But coming back to play in Pro league is a big waste. Too slow
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http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/leo-beenhakker-for-tt-head-coach.html
SIGN AND SHARE if you would like to see Leo Return to the senior team as Head Coach in time for the 2013 CONCACAF Gold Cup next month
Many Thanks!
To hell with it, I just signed the petition! :beermug:
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Before Gally Cummings we had Dutch coach..de National Team looked like crap ..in came Gally Cummings the National team played the best football to date. After Cummings we had our ups and downs then we gone back to the Dutch..the football looked like crap..the football still crappy because we trying to use Dutch philosophy and don't know what we doing.
This is ruining our football. Look at the U17 team, Beenhakker team 06, and look at the way we played yesterday. That style of football is inhibitory to our players.
Gally had the inclusion of Latas, Yorke, Faustin, Charles and Leonson Lewis. He also had the luxury of discarding Nakhid, Corneal and Skeene. Not to mention Ronnie Simmons and Garnet Craig.
Gally also didn't have to suffer the indignity of playing playing (WC qualifying) home games in the opponent's backyard becz they had been sold away, given the TT players basically no chance of qualifying.
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They say never go back...look at Simoes second spell with Jamaica.
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They say never go back...look at Simoes second spell with Jamaica.
If Leo is viewed as too old now to be our coach at 70 (which is a good point) then we can still use him in a TD capacity if he is interested in helping T&T football in the long term.
Alternatively we can give Lincoln Phillips a call once again as this time round his hands should not be tied by Jack and that crew in his capacity as TD.
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So if dat was really supposed to be the plan all the time ...wha bout Wim?
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Don Leo was in the stands
https://www.youtube.com/v/fRhKh0xVGNQ
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Dem kind ah horses on dah side..I coachin...we never get dat kind a licks..
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Dem kind ah horses on dah side..I coachin...we never get dat kind a licks..
we lucky you not coaching Romania then...we woulda get 10.. :devil:
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Rell men who playing de ass and fronting as Nashies right now have to be hoping and praying Leo eh come back here to coach. He will get rid of dem post-effin-haste, I especially wouldn't want to be de skipper right now either cause he might be the first to go ;)
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Leo is Boss,Give the man a bligh to help turn around TnT football again and help to bring back the public support to the team.The stadiums will be full be they will be greeted with great football. :)
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Dem kind ah horses on dah side..I coachin...we never get dat kind a licks..
I really cannot wait for you to get some kind of coaching work, so man could actually see if all dat smoke you blowing
worth some fire. Talk talk talk, yet nothing to back it up. You remind me when I was in University a Trini friend keep telling one
of the University American Football players how dem fat, cannot run and all that. Eventually the man say let us run a 40, 60 or 100
your choice.
Lard Trini pick a 100 & then finish about 10 lengths behind the football player.
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Don Leo was in the stands
Don Leo looked like he aged 10 more years after watching our performance....
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Warriors lose 1-0 by Estonia; Await Beenhakker decision
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868)
The Trinidad and Tobago national football team closed its mini-European tour today with a 1-0 friendly loss away to Estonia.
Twenty two year old striker Henri Anier grabbed Estonias winner in the 13th minute for his fourth goal from eight internationals while neither striker Jamal Gay nor substitutes Shahdon Winchester and Cornell Glen could break Trinidad and Tobagos scoring drought.
Unlike Tuesdays 4-0 loss to Romania, there was no readily available live feed of todays contest and no judgment can be made on the performance of the Soca Warriors.
Estonia coach Tarmo Ruttlin was complimentary about his guests.
It was a good result which is very important but it was a very difficult game for us, Ruttlin told TTFF Media. Trinidad and Tobago have unbelievably strong guys. Its not every time in Europe you can play against guys like this. They are tall, strong, technically sound and fast as well.
It was a very different type of opposition for us and it was a very beneficial. I think there was some luck for us in the game also and we had to work very hard to end up with the victory.
Trinidad and Tobago joint head coach Jamaal Shabazz urged supporters to view the teams recent outings as preparation for the 2013 CONCACAF Gold Cup and not focus solely on the results.
I thought they team did very well today, said Shabazz. They worked hard and they played like Warriors. It has started to smell a little bit of what we want
Weve also got to be patient with results. We must recognize that is just the preparation phase. These are matches to show us what weve got to work on.
What is to come is near and we will see in the end what the outcome of this team will be.
The results, admittedly, paint a less than flattering picture. The Warriors have now gone six games without scoring and five of those games were losses. Along the way, the Trinidad and Tobago team has conceded 11 goals.
Joint head coaches Hutson Barber Charles and Shabazz might feel a tad more insecure too by news that Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) President Raymond Tim Kee has begun talks with ex-World Cup 2006 coach Leo Beenhakker towards reintegrating him into the local game.
Beenhakker was supposedly approached to assist on a technical developmental level but neither party has ruled out the possibility of the former Real Madrid and Netherlands international coach appearing on the bench for next months CONCACAF Gold Cup.
So is this the time for panic or patience?
Last year, Charles and Shabazz overcame near financial paralysis and a rift between the TTFF and the Ministry of Sport to steer Trinidad and Tobago to its first Gold Cup competition in six years. They want to chance to finish the job at the confederations showpiece tournament.
The new TTFF executive, understandably, is wary about the possibility of undoing its recent good work in settling the 2006 World Cup bonus dispute and returning the football body back to its former moorings as the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA). The name change should be finalised next week while a new kit sponsorship and constitution are expected shortly.
So are Charles and Shabazz heading for boom or bust?
Recent statistics might not be conclusive as one might think.
Trinidad and Tobago has played in seven Gold Cups with six different coaches: Edgar Vidale, Zoran Vranes (Montenegro), Bertille St Clair (twice), Rene Simoes (Brazil), Beenhakker (Netherlands) and Wim Rijsbergen (Netherlands). Remarkably, the only coaches to ever win a match in the CONCACAF showpiece tournament were the two locals.
Vidale pulled off a victory over Costa Rica in 1991after a Leonson Lewis equaliser and a stunning Alvin Thomas winnerwhile St Clair managed wins on both trips as his team whipped Honduras 3-1 in 1998 and then beat Guatemala (4-2) and Costa Rica (2-1) en route to a semi-final finish in 2000. Incidentally, St Clair was sacked immediately after taking Trinidad and Tobago to its best ever Gold Cup finish.
So, foreign expertise was traditionally of little value to the two-island republic in this competition. Beenhakker oversaw draws to Honduras and Panama and a loss to Colombia in 2005 while Simoes team was eliminated after a draw with Costa Rica and a 1-0 loss to Martinique in 2002.
In both of St Clairs trips to the Gold Cup finals, his outfit looked to be in horrendous pre-tournament form only to click at the right time.
Before the 1998 Gold Cup, St Clairs men won one from five games with four goals scored and 11 conceded against opposition that was much less intimidating than Romania.
The results were: Martinique (0-3 and 2-3), Barbados (1-0), El Salvador (0-2), Guatemala (1-3) and Costa Rica (0-4). After conceding seven goals within a fortnight of its Gold Cup opener, Trinidad and Tobago promptly thumped a talented Honduran team 3-1 thanks to a Jerren Nixon opener and a Stern John double.
Two years later, St Clair savoured a 4-3 friendly international win over Colombia but failed to win any of five subsequent friendlies with returns of: Panama (2-2), Honduras (2-3), Canada (0-0), Morocco (0-1) and Costa Rica (1-2). Trinidad and Tobago was then hammered 4-0 in its Gold Cup group opener against Mexico before rebounding to finish as the second-best team in CONCACAF since the other semi-final featured guest teams Peru and Colombia.
Even in 2006, the Warriors followed up a friendly 2-0 win over Iceland with a 1-1 home draw against Peru and international defeats against Wales (1-2), Slovenia (1-3) and the Czech Republic (0-3) before a creditable showing in Germany.
The real question for Charles and Shabazz then is whether the Warriors are learning from the present humbling results.
Arguably, the biggest problems have been off the field. The trickle of withdrawals for Marchs trip to Belize became a stream in June and it gives the impression that the staff has not yet come to grips with the countrys overseas talent.
The repeated pull-outs by the Belgium-based duo of Khaleem Hyland and Sheldon Bateau and Kazakhastan-based defender Robert Primus are particularly worrying. The 22-year-old Bateau, for instance, seems to want an awful lot of rest for a young man while Argentina and Barcelona sensation Lionel Messi will ignore a niggling injury to represent his country tonight, despite playing in twice as many games as the Trinidadian defender this year.
The Warriors recent penchant for travelling to international assignments with less than 18 players is embarrassing too. However, it is worth noting that team manager William Wallace has the unenviable role of having to negotiate directly with the Ministry of Sport over the teams travel budget, which was a result of Anil Roberts feud with former TTFF General Secretary Richard Groden last year.
Tim Kee promised to solve the impasse when he became president last November but the awkward situation has persisted.
Shabazzs own problems with the United States immigration, due to his Jamaat-al-Muslimeen ties and role with the 1990 attempted coup, might be relevant too. The Neal & Massy Caledonia AIA coach communicated with his club team via Skype for a CONCACAF Champions League fixture in Seattle last year. However, he insisted that he can still travel to the US, albeit through a special arrangement with that nations lawmen.
The case for Tim Kee to support his present staff or return to Trinidad and Tobagos most successful previous coach is not clear cut and technical director Anton Corneals evaluation could be crucial. Corneal worked as an assistant to Beenhakker in Germany and, once his own job is not at risk, is in a good position to offer advice for Tim Kees next step.
Perhaps, as with the injection of Shabazz into the previous technical group of Charles and assistant coach Derek King, the TTFF President might again look for a middle ground.
In eight friendlies under the present technical staff, Trinidad and Tobago managed just one win over Antigua and Barbuda, one draw with Belize and six losses to Finland, Canada, Peru (twice), Romania and Estonia.
In competitive action, though, the Warriors have seven wins (Martinique, Dominican Republic, Cuba, Suriname, Anguilla, St Kitts and Nevis and French Guiana), two draws (Haiti and St Vincent and the Grenadines) and two losses (Cuba and Antigua and Barbuda). So, Charles, Shabazz and King are certainly not hopeless when it comes to slugging it out at wartime.
One way or the other, next weeks decision will say a lot about the new man at the helm of the local game.
(Team against Estonia)
Trinidad and Tobago (4-1-4-1): Jan-Michael Williams; Justin Hoyte (Kareem Moses 72), Radanfah Abu Bakr, Daneil Cyrus, Aubrey David; Densill Theobald; Darryl Roberts (Shahdon Winchester 60), Andre Boucaud, Ataullah Guerra (Kevin Molino 60), Joevin Jones (Kevon Carter 70); Jamal Gay (Cornell Glen 70).
Unused substitutes: Marvin Phillip, Devorn Jorsling.
Co-head coaches: Hutson Charles and Jamaal Shabazz
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What you mean no live feed?
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Who cares about gold cup finishes... when there is something more to play for. We went to the world cup and actually came home with a point under Leo.
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Yeh ANC2 I know wha yuh tal kin bout... I had a African pardner in College who thought he was faster than everybody and challenged Maurice Green to race..he was beaten badly..I know exactly what you mean breds.
Maurice Green was an unknown at that time.
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Well I was wondering if I was back in the 19th century until I read ANC2 's comment. How can people be so fooled so easily. Beenkakker is a good coach but without Latapy and Yorke and without Jack's help we were going no where! He was no saviour . In fact we scraped through on a fourth place that was even changed to Bahrain at the last moment. It was supposed to be a South American team and we would have lost ! Jack help again! In fact as a team we have played better and done better in 1974 and 1990 qualifying campaigns but Haiti and US politics was in the mix and we get squeezed. I guess these are young gullible fellas who don't understand the history and politics of football and making these jerk responses to this article by Lasana.
Which brings me to another point . It appears that Lasana is allowing himself to be used by Tim Kee and the Corneals. I thought he was smarter than that? Alvin wants to cushion his son's position and he believes a Foreigner wont care a shit about what role he plays because he will be ignored as a twaat anyway, because that is what he is. It is time we stop looking for foreign solutions when we can solve problems right here. Get a proper constitution , hold proper elections( stop sticking people in place because of friendships) get clubs involved. get persons who have proven their worth on the international stage involved. We have quite a few who are willing and able and get the show back on the road. Someone has got to stop Timkee, Corneal , Shabazz and this bunch of losers!
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Trinitozbone, but didn't Bertille St Clair had the same Yorke, Latapy and Jack help too before Beenhakker took over?
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Look ah arsehole bring Jack in the talk...
... and he factually inaccurate too. so ah ignorant arsehole
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Wham mods like one ah allyuh is drinking buddies wid gally or what, where did the thread go where gally was talking out of his butt cheeks about beenhakker and kamla??
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I was wondering the same thing.
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Sums up the Trinidad mentality...Criticize every and anybody except ur friend. :frustrated: :frustrated: :frustrated:
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He requested his release be removed, to many negative feedback.
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That little bit of scrutiny cause him to get his knickers in a twist? He want to play mas and fraid powder? He really wants to take a high pressure job like National Football coach and a lil online talk gone to his head...LOL
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Hahaha
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I had always love Gally eh...
but that right they is de old man mentality in Trinidad and Tobago.
Nobody cyah say nothing against yuh... dem wrong and you right. Cyah take no criticism... well yes
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I had always love Gally eh...
but that right they is de old man mentality in Trinidad and Tobago.
Nobody cyah say nothing against yuh... dem wrong and you right. Cyah take no criticism... well yes
This is what i was telling FS on the corneal thread about skeene, romany and david williams, them men have the same mentality you speak of.
they hated the fact that pfister opposed them, and the sad part, the man did not oppose them maliciously, in fact the criticism was rather constructive and geared towards the welfare of the players, but they missed the gist thereof.
as for gally, like i said, all these yrs this man waste in T&T feeling sorry for himself he coulda went england or italy, humble himself under ah good coach and further his craft by getting all his badges from A - C, he coulda come back home with that kinda credentials and encourage ppl in the business community to help with the building of an academy for kids as young as ten and up, and i sure panday or manning woulda run some land for the project, especially manning.
i notice ah trend there in T&T of lately, ppl does go on like the government owe them something, ah man house bun down he crying how the government eh helpin him, so why aren't you insured??
it seem like today the government is every body fairy godfather, while the private sector goes relatively uninterrupted. build ah coaching school gally and pass on the knowledge, it's ah hard luck , yuh miss the boat, just hold ah medi and start afresh.
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Leave Beenhakker out Gold Cup.
By Andre Baptiste (Guardian).
The Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) is considering hiring former coach Leo Beenhakker. And while we are uncertain of the discussion between Raymond Tim Kee, president of the TTFA, Sheldon Phillips secretary and Beenhakker, it would appear his role would be to manage T&T at the Gold Cup.
If so, this is a mistake, because while one may point to his track record as a tournament coach, the Gold Cup is not the WORLD CUP.
Instead it is to be used to engender hope and passion back into the sport. Beenhakker is not a development coach and his ability is a traditional coach who can motivate and inspire players, his efforts do not necessary lie in training and ensuring the growth of our young footballers.
His job, which he takes very seriously is to NOT LOSE matches, yes NOT LOSE matches, we not only witnessed this in Germany in 2006, but also with coaching stint with Poland, where many of the leading footballing scribes in that proud nation, described his brand as boring, passive and ultra-defensive.
There is also the question of his age, he is 70 years old and this is seven years later from 2006, as we all sadly watched and listened, the last elderly statesman we had as our coach in Otto Pfister, struggled with our lifestyle, with the players and with the media and looked unfit for the job.
The result was the team was beaten by Guyana and dumped out of World Cup. Also what are the messages Tim Kee and his association are sending if after two defeats, 40 to Romania and 10 to Estonia, they decide to make drastic changes to the management team that helped to qualify T&T for the Gold Cup. Hudson Charles and Jamaal Shabazz would have every right to protest this action as very unfair.
In addition, the fact, that several frontline players were not available will tell a different story, given the shortage of quality experienced players in this country.
While everyone will forever be thankful for the part Beenhakker played in the team reaching Germany, and especially for that fighting performance against Sweden, there will also be questions about the tactics that were adopted, and whether or not players were used in orthodox positions. The country needs to be told the TTFA plans. What is the thinking and indeed, have they spoken to Charles and Shabazz.
Given the history of football administrators, not many trust what is stated by them, and even though there have been noticeable changes in the personnel at the organisation, it will require a lot more attention and faith before there is wholesome support.
As a country, we must not allow ourselves to always be considered easy targets for prospective coaches, who believe a job in the Caribbean is easy pickings and all they need to do is turn up for work. Perhaps, as a country, we are our own worst enemies, in that very often we accept that our coaches are mediocre and not good, but this is far from the truth.
Another problem is the attitude of our players, not necessarily the local based players, but rather those overseas based players, who are under the misguided impression, that they know so much about football, that they know more than the local coach, because they play outside.
These people are not willing to listen to a local coach, instead they often find themselves quarrelling and arguing, when they cannot get their way. It is amazing to witness how very subservient these very people are to the foreigners and how they do not question any instruction given.
This same association, however it may now be reincarnated, had the reputation of not paying our local coaches. This despicable treatment continues today.
Russell Latapy is a prime example and there are several more local coaches and even a technical director waiting for their outstanding monies. Therefore, where will Tim Kee find money to pay Beenhakker because I am sure Beenhakker would not have been in the associations 2013 budget.
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Gally against proposed Beenhakker return.
T&T Newsday Reports.
EVERALD GALLY Cummings, former Trinidad and Tobago football team midfielder and coach, is against the proposed return of ex-national tactician Leo Beenhakker, by the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA), in a technical capacity.
It was confirmed last week that the TTFA met with the 70-year-old Dutch-born Beenhakker in Romania on June 4, hours before the TT football team fell 4-0 to the Romanians in a friendly football international at Bucharest. But the 64-year-old Cummings, in a letter to the Editor which was published in Newsday on Monday, admitted, I have been bombarded by members of the public to say something. I have nothing personally against Leo Beenhakker. But he is not what we need at the moment.
Let us not make the same mistake like we did with (former coach German-born) Otto Pfister, looking for short-term solutions for problems that are deeply rooted in our football.
Cummings, who coached the then Strike Squad to within the brink of qualification for the 1990 FIFA World Cup in Italy, admitted, I offered my services in a technical capacity to our new president (Raymond Tim Kee) which he suggested should be free of charge. Is he planning to offer the same to Beenhakker?
Cummings, who is the lone footballer to be named as the TT Sportsman of the Year (in 1973), also referred to a letter he sent to
Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar in October 2011, as well as heads of the respective political parties of the Peoples Partnership Government.
I believe her hands were previously tied with her former Minister of National Security but I think she should be free to take action and to ensure proper governance at all levels where public resources are to be used, said Cummings.
The former United States and Mexico-based player, in his letter to the Prime Minister last year, highlighted her brilliant contribution to the budget debate on October 11 in which you made reference to your Governments commitment to uphold the principles enshrined in the constitution of the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago on the individual human rights and in particular to the issues of merit, ability and integrity as the foundation on which citizens are expected to be treated by the State.
Cummings, who is currently employed with the University of Trinidad and Tobago, went on to state, it was on this basis that I felt I would be given a fair hearing and that attempts would be made to bring closure to years of discrimination and victimisation I have endured at the hands of the former vice-president of FIFA and a member of your Government for upholding my values of honesty, integrity and complete dedication to the development of football in Trinidad and Tobago.
He continued, I have been continually bypassed although I have expressed my interest on many occasions publicly and to officials of the (then) TTFF to assist in any area where there is a need (and there is a lot that needs to be done) by persons of less merit and ability, many junior to me whom I have trained earlier in my career but who lack the experience, and are given opportunities to contribute at national level. I feel proud that many of them were developed by me but I still see areas that are lacking in which I could advise.
I feel hurt by all the injustice done to me in the past, opportunities lost, reduced income and grossly underutilised when compared to my experience and knowledge and value I could bring to the football table.
I feel comforted and encouraged by so many nationals of all ages, races and social standing whom I meet on a daily basis and who thank me for my contribution and express how they long to see me playing a role so I could bring back the excitement and happiness they felt when I was involved.
http://www.newsday.co.tt/sport/0,179048.html
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Mr. Baptiste yuh talking ah pack ah corbeau shittt. Imagine this man say his job is solely not to lose...what wrong with that?????? Winning matches will gain public support. Youth development will come by don dadda leo bringing in de best players from wherever whichever however whenever he eyes talent. Wdffff....these fellas are philosophists...they want to develop ah strong team bond and still lorse!!! Nah enough is enough...this car eh running right...time to change de mechanic....leh we get back to firstly winning...then winning the population support...then let us take it from there...
Since when winning ah match is a bad thing...these guys are so stupid...and tryna portray themselves as caringgg sooo much when infact they jess looking for profit...buddy buddy thing....
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I trying to be open minded here. If TTFA can hire Beenie, then money is no problem. This guy don't come cheap. The "rich" benefactors who forking out the money for Beenie, should really be forking out money for developmental(grassroots) football. A national academy in central will be good for starters.
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Instead it is to be used to engender hope and passion back into the sport. Beenhakker is not a development coach and his ability is a traditional coach who can motivate and inspire players, his efforts do not necessary lie in training and ensuring the growth of our young footballers.
The national team is not the place for a developmental coach anyway. Why is it after all these years people still talking about ah coach developing players at the national team level? Steups! Maybe daiz why we cyar see we way.
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This article wreaks of xenophobia!
remember it's been yrs now that i've been tellin you guys how backward and unreasonable these old fellas could be, and they are the reason why our country has fallen to such an all time low, but quite ah few of yuhs took a negative stance against me and accused me of talking the country down, but this week was a perfect example how backward and out of it these old fellas could be.
alvin had his say, gally had his say on the issue, and now andre baptiste had his say, and in the end all of them against the appointment and would rather see charles and shabbaz continue although they are clearly over their heads.
these old fellas would rather have the two rookie coaches stay on and experiment with the national team even if it means embarrassing the country world wide, than to have our football in the hands of a seasoned veteran, all bc the man is a foreigner, allyuh see how destructive these old geezers could be??!!
andre's talking bout youth development, but since when is it the responsibility of the national coach to develop players?
the last i checked it wasn't even the responsibility of their club managers, let alone an international coach. BTW what players charles and shabbaz developing?
these old men in T&T have no shame WSE, and they does show it all the time, especially in the media, not only are they shameless, they are clueless as well!
this ton of manure that andre took precious time to write should have been tossed in the nearest dumpster where it rightfully belongs, it also pains me that the editor had the unmitigated gall to publish this hog feed, how does these ppl get these kind of jobs anyway?? :o
don't get me wrong, i am definitely no beenhakker fan, but since when defensive tactics are frown upon when it's exactly what the doctor ordered.
we've played 6 friendlies and we had one clean sheet, and it was vs belize the weakest of the teams we've played. so since when defensive tactics are inconsequential to our national team when we concede easy goals in almost all our national team, from the u17 all the way to the seniors.
i would think that defensive strategies would be just what the doctor ordered to get us right back on track.
anyway i was hoping to see beenhakker in a more advisory position, working with the babies on up to the seniors, but i definitely would not frown on his appointment as senior coach either, bc we are in desperate need of a solid coach, and what better time than now, a month away from the gold cup.
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Tallman, good call, since when we does ever study development.
With T&T is short term and quick fix.
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Instead it is to be used to engender hope and passion back into the sport. Beenhakker is not a development coach and his ability is a traditional coach who can motivate and inspire players, his efforts do not necessary lie in training and ensuring the growth of our young footballers.
The national team is not the place for a developmental coach anyway. Why is it after all these years people still talking about ah coach developing players at the national team level? Steups! Maybe daiz why we cyar see we way.
Correct Tallman. Player Development is a Club / School issue. The process of National U15-17-20 is part of the Development process, tied into Clubs / Schools. National Team development is part of formulating the National Team selection & that is limited since most National teams play around 10-12 games a year
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Instead it is to be used to engender hope and passion back into the sport. Beenhakker is not a development coach and his ability is a traditional coach who can motivate and inspire players, his efforts do not necessary lie in training and ensuring the growth of our young footballers.
The national team is not the place for a developmental coach anyway. Why is it after all these years people still talking about ah coach developing players at the national team level? Steups! Maybe daiz why we cyar see we way.
Correct Tallman. Player Development is a Club / School issue. The process of National U15-17-20 is part of the Development process, tied into Clubs / Schools. National Team development is part of formulating the National Team selection & that is limited since most National teams play around 10-12 games a year
AND ANDRE SHOULD KNOW THIS!! after all, look how long he in football!
what he think, is dummies he talking too?? the man is just ah plain ole bigot, him , gally and forkin alvin. these guys are a facking embarrassment to football, and T&T!!
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Instead it is to be used to engender hope and passion back into the sport. Beenhakker is not a development coach and his ability is a traditional coach who can motivate and inspire players, his efforts do not necessary lie in training and ensuring the growth of our young footballers.
The national team is not the place for a developmental coach anyway. Why is it after all these years people still talking about ah coach developing players at the national team level? Steups! Maybe daiz why we cyar see we way.
Correct Tallman. Player Development is a Club / School issue. The process of National U15-17-20 is part of the Development process, tied into Clubs / Schools. National Team development is part of formulating the National Team selection & that is limited since most National teams play around 10-12 games a year
Spot on from both of you
It is beyond hilarious when people cry out for a development coach at SENIOR Level..
The coach at senior level is there to pick the best "developed" players he has at his disposal and finding the best team , formation, tactics etc.. Everything is analytical at that point . unless he is a hands on coach he will run the sessions but majority observe and use their presence while their staff run the sessions.
If you want development coach then hope for more men like La Foucade , Jean Lillywhite and Anthony Sherwood at Under 13 level to show kids the proper technique and more importantly intensity of training similar to methods away..
I dont know how Andre Baptiste have this big tag in the game when he knows f**k all ...
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OK, so Beenie is older, and there are valid arguments as to whether he is a developmental coach. Hiring him for the Gold Cup would be a stop gap measure that ultimately does not aid in the longterm advancement of Trinidad's football, but you have to admit that Charles and Shabazz are out of depth in their current roles. Show me the local candidates who could step in. Our coaching stock is obsolete, as they refuse to keep up with the progress that football has made, and they refuse to engage in continuous learning. Only place we could look for a coach is abroad. Why not Stephen Hart or an American coach? They're definitely better than what we have at home, and they'd come with good knowledge of how things work in the region. Just putting it out there. We need a coach that is willing to take a holistic approach to out football and who is willing to work the the TD to bring talent through the pipeline and implement a structure that will ensure the longterm survival and eventual success of our football.
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Instead it is to be used to engender hope and passion back into the sport. Beenhakker is not a development coach and his ability is a traditional coach who can motivate and inspire players, his efforts do not necessary lie in training and ensuring the growth of our young footballers.
The national team is not the place for a developmental coach anyway. Why is it after all these years people still talking about ah coach developing players at the national team level? Steups! Maybe daiz why we cyar see we way.
Correct Tallman. Player Development is a Club / School issue. The process of National U15-17-20 is part of the Development process, tied into Clubs / Schools. National Team development is part of formulating the National Team selection & that is limited since most National teams play around 10-12 games a year
AND ANDRE SHOULD KNOW THIS!! after all, look how long he in football!
what he think, is dummies he talking too?? the man is just ah plain ole bigot, him , gally and forkin alvin. these guys are a facking embarrassment to football, and T&T!!
Germany's latest golden era of talent was the brainchild of Klinsmann, although he did get the clubs to buy into the process. The clubs are obviously under standard, and so the unfortunately the national team has to fill the void. We still need a structure that allows a more seamless transition from the various youth levels to the senior team, as too many talented players fall by the wayside. The reality is that we probably do need a senior coach that is into talent development. Which club nowadays operates with a manager who ignores talent coming through the pipeline. While they may not be involved in the day-to-day talent development men like Moyes, Brendan Rodgers, Wenger and company all see it as part of their job. Heck, right now Martin Jol is being criticised for not paying enough mind to the talent that is coming through the pipeline at Fulham. Point is, this is a necessary part of any senior team manager in the modern game. You can't isolate the senior team like that; it is more of a national team set-up with different levels of ages.
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Instead it is to be used to engender hope and passion back into the sport. Beenhakker is not a development coach and his ability is a traditional coach who can motivate and inspire players, his efforts do not necessary lie in training and ensuring the growth of our young footballers.
The national team is not the place for a developmental coach anyway. Why is it after all these years people still talking about ah coach developing players at the national team level? Steups! Maybe daiz why we cyar see we way.
Correct Tallman. Player Development is a Club / School issue. The process of National U15-17-20 is part of the Development process, tied into Clubs / Schools. National Team development is part of formulating the National Team selection & that is limited since most National teams play around 10-12 games a year
AND ANDRE SHOULD KNOW THIS!! after all, look how long he in football!
what he think, is dummies he talking too?? the man is just ah plain ole bigot, him , gally and forkin alvin. these guys are a facking embarrassment to football, and T&T!!
Germany's latest golden era of talent was the brainchild of Klinsmann, although he did get the clubs to buy into the process. The clubs are obviously under standard, and so the unfortunately the national team has to fill the void. We still need a structure that allows a more seamless transition from the various youth levels to the senior team, as too many talented players fall by the wayside.
I dont think he was the brainchild to be honest... he brought about enthusiasm but that Germany team at the World Cup in 2006 were not as good(overall play, better structure , better players) as the recent teams that got to the Euro final in 08 and semis in 10' and 12' of the World Cup and Euros respectively
Sammer is the man with the plan, especially the young talent we now see as a feature in the German team : Gotze , Ozil, Reus, Schullre , Gundogan etc
About Sammer's role:
On 1 April 2006, he was appointed technical director of German Football Association (DFB), on a five-year contract. The position was new in the DFB at the time. It included responsibility for the national youth teams, focusing on young talents between the ages of eleven and eighteen, as well as incorporating the latest developments in sports science into the DFB's training theories. Sammer was also expected to work on a tactical system for all of Germany's national sides in close co-operation with national coach Joachim Lw.
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Germany's latest golden era of talent was the brainchild of Klinsman, Not accurate. This was put in place back before 2000, before Klinsman was involved, but what you are saying is valid.
http://www.newstatesman.com/world-affairs/europe/2013/05/glory-game
On another note: If Bennie is hired just sit back and watch how Alvin, Andre, Gally, Shabazz and many others will fight down his appointment. He will get little to no support from the locals involved. When Beenie was hired the first time Alvin was very critical, even after T&T Qualified for the WC.
Just like our politicians they love ignorance & thrive off it.
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His job, which he takes very seriously is to NOT LOSE matches, yes NOT LOSE matches, we not only witnessed this in Germany in 2006, but also with coaching stint with Poland, where many of the leading footballing scribes in that proud nation, described his brand as boring, passive and ultra-defensive.
Ah think this plan better than Shabbaz plan...
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His job, which he takes very seriously is to NOT LOSE matches, yes NOT LOSE matches, we not only witnessed this in Germany in 2006, but also with coaching stint with Poland, where many of the leading footballing scribes in that proud nation, described his brand as boring, passive and ultra-defensive.
Ah think this plan better than Shabbaz plan...
plan ??? ??? ??? shabbaz....plan ??? ??? ??? ....interesting that u would think that dumbass had any kinda plan
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Instead it is to be used to engender hope and passion back into the sport. Beenhakker is not a development coach and his ability is a traditional coach who can motivate and inspire players, his efforts do not necessary lie in training and ensuring the growth of our young footballers.
The national team is not the place for a developmental coach anyway. Why is it after all these years people still talking about ah coach developing players at the national team level? Steups! Maybe daiz why we cyar see we way.
Correct Tallman. Player Development is a Club / School issue. The process of National U15-17-20 is part of the Development process, tied into Clubs / Schools. National Team development is part of formulating the National Team selection & that is limited since most National teams play around 10-12 games a year
AND ANDRE SHOULD KNOW THIS!! after all, look how long he in football!
what he think, is dummies he talking too?? the man is just ah plain ole bigot, him , gally and forkin alvin. these guys are a facking embarrassment to football, and T&T!!
Germany's latest golden era of talent was the brainchild of Klinsmann, although he did get the clubs to buy into the process. The clubs are obviously under standard, and so the unfortunately the national team has to fill the void. We still need a structure that allows a more seamless transition from the various youth levels to the senior team, as too many talented players fall by the wayside.
I dont think he was the brainchild to be honest... he brought about enthusiasm but that Germany team at the World Cup in 2006 were not as good(overall play, better structure , better players) as the recent teams that got to the Euro final in 08 and semis in 10' and 12' of the World Cup and Euros respectively
Sammer is the man with the plan, especially the young talent we now see as a feature in the German team : Gotze , Ozil, Reus, Schullre , Gundogan etc
About Sammer's role:
On 1 April 2006, he was appointed technical director of German Football Association (DFB), on a five-year contract. The position was new in the DFB at the time. It included responsibility for the national youth teams, focusing on young talents between the ages of eleven and eighteen, as well as incorporating the latest developments in sports science into the DFB's training theories. Sammer was also expected to work on a tactical system for all of Germany's national sides in close co-operation with national coach Joachim Lw.
Exactly so...what you are witnessing now, is as a result of that structure that was put in place. You wouldn't expect to see immediate divident form a longterm talent development strategy, would you? Not saying that he developed the talent, but he was the one that said Germany had to change its approach to the game, and that the clubs had to focus more on youth development. He took this to the German association and there was extensive interaction with the club structure to implement the structure.
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England currently in a similar boat, both junior and senior teams playing poorly but I dont see the press critisising Hodgson for not developing the senior team players. The failure of the U21's have people bawlin about use of younger players, progression through the age groups and development at the youth level.
As has been said before, the main national side should be about selecting the best you have and trying to get them to gel both mentally and tactically. Glenn Hoddle gave some good insights on Skysports after the U21 loss to Israel last night on what an international manager is able to do when preparing for games and tournament's. He said its all about making sure your players understand and implement your vision on how to play the next opponent, that is what you are judged on. He said due to time constraints there is very little need to do fitness work and most drills should have the purpose of assisting in implementing your game plan.
On Shabazz and Charles; though I have no specific opinion on their ability...why do we need two Head Coaches? Are there any countries who still do that? It dosent seem to have improved our performances in any way. Yes the opposistion is of a higher standard but if anything the players seem more unsure of what to do since Shabazz joined than they did when Charles was on his own. I'm not saying Charles is better or worse, I just think we should have a solitary voice calling the shot for better or worse. what is the old saying, 'Too many cooks spoil the broth!'
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England currently in a similar boat, both junior and senior teams playing poorly but I dont see the press critisising Hodgson for not developing the senior team players. The failure of the U21's have people bawlin about use of younger players, progression through the age groups and development at the youth level.
As has been said before, the main national side should be about selecting the best you have and trying to get them to gel both mentally and tactically. Glenn Hoddle gave some good insights on Skysports after the U21 loss to Israel last night on what an international manager is able to do when preparing for games and tournament's. He said its all about making sure your players understand and implement your vision on how to play the next opponent, that is what you are judged on. He said due to time constraints there is very little need to do fitness work and most drills should have the purpose of assisting in implementing your game plan.
On Shabazz and Charles; though I have no specific opinion on their ability...why do we need two Head Coaches? Are there any countries who still do that? It dosent seem to have improved our performances in any way. Yes the opposistion is of a higher standard but if anything the players seem more unsure of what to do since Shabazz joined than they did when Charles was on his own. I'm not saying Charles is better or worse, I just think we should have a solitary voice calling the shot for better or worse. what is the old saying, 'Too many cooks spoil the broth!'
that much is clear
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Instead it is to be used to engender hope and passion back into the sport. Beenhakker is not a development coach and his ability is a traditional coach who can motivate and inspire players, his efforts do not necessary lie in training and ensuring the growth of our young footballers.
The national team is not the place for a developmental coach anyway. Why is it after all these years people still talking about ah coach developing players at the national team level? Steups! Maybe daiz why we cyar see we way.
Correct Tallman. Player Development is a Club / School issue. The process of National U15-17-20 is part of the Development process, tied into Clubs / Schools. National Team development is part of formulating the National Team selection & that is limited since most National teams play around 10-12 games a year
AND ANDRE SHOULD KNOW THIS!! after all, look how long he in football!
what he think, is dummies he talking too?? the man is just ah plain ole bigot, him , gally and forkin alvin. these guys are a facking embarrassment to football, and T&T!!
Germany's latest golden era of talent was the brainchild of Klinsmann, although he did get the clubs to buy into the process. The clubs are obviously under standard, and so the unfortunately the national team has to fill the void. We still need a structure that allows a more seamless transition from the various youth levels to the senior team, as too many talented players fall by the wayside.
I dont think he was the brainchild to be honest... he brought about enthusiasm but that Germany team at the World Cup in 2006 were not as good(overall play, better structure , better players) as the recent teams that got to the Euro final in 08 and semis in 10' and 12' of the World Cup and Euros respectively
Sammer is the man with the plan, especially the young talent we now see as a feature in the German team : Gotze , Ozil, Reus, Schullre , Gundogan etc
About Sammer's role:
On 1 April 2006, he was appointed technical director of German Football Association (DFB), on a five-year contract. The position was new in the DFB at the time. It included responsibility for the national youth teams, focusing on young talents between the ages of eleven and eighteen, as well as incorporating the latest developments in sports science into the DFB's training theories. Sammer was also expected to work on a tactical system for all of Germany's national sides in close co-operation with national coach Joachim Lw.
Exactly so...what you are witnessing now, is as a result of that structure that was put in place. You wouldn't expect to see immediate divident form a longterm talent development strategy, would you? Not saying that he developed the talent, but he was the one that said Germany had to change its approach to the game, and that the clubs had to focus more on youth development. He took this to the German association and there was extensive interaction with the club structure to implement the structure.
To the tune of 1 Billion over the last 10 yrs. The investment by the German Federation and Clubs was significant, both euros and man power. Most people ignore this fact and would rather talk about coaching
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Funny doh..I like Mr baptiste article.
I think the point on 'development coach' is taken out of context. I could be mistaken, but his point seems to me. 'Don't pay the kind of money to a world class coach for a non-world class tournament' and 'the long term benefit of hiring, does not justify the requirements of such an individual'...We need a long term development coach/program that can be afforded..Not a big money short term fix, especially when we don't have much.(sam & Deeks points)..that's what i got.
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They more concern about paying a foreigner,instead they believe the money should be given to our locals who dont know crap about the beautiful game.The great USA want to be a power house in football they hired a foreigner who they believe understand the game better than them.Come on Tnt we just want to bring back the confidence in TnT football once more which may only comes from the hands of a Foreigner.Check Lord Best theory,the great economist,who said bring in the foreigner to teach us the trick of the trade.Do your thing Tim Kee and forget the critics. ;) ;)
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its almost laughable reading andre baptiste article, ..... question to andre baptiste ...... andre do you have inside info of the role or assignment to be given leo beenhakker upon his potential to the national soccer program??? no one can assuringly say in what capacity and what role he may play provided he returns.... its a wait and see for the moment ... lets not get ahead of ourselves yet .......
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About Sammer's role:
On 1 April 2006, he was appointed technical director of German Football Association (DFB), on a five-year contract. The position was new in the DFB at the time. It included responsibility for the national youth teams, focusing on young talents between the ages of eleven and eighteen, as well as incorporating the latest developments in sports science into the DFB's training theories. Sammer was also expected to work on a tactical system for all of Germany's national sides in close co-operation with national coach Joachim Lw.
In view of that...what is the role of our technical director?
What age group do we think we competitive at? All we see is potential...but do we have a system in place to harness and develop the potential? We have any kind of academy...consistently working on talent? Do we even have a plan that involves all age groups and all stakeholders in our national football? Do we have set targets to achieve...not just in terms of on field results but a vision that we set for all players, coaches or other contributors that are involved in our football?
No.
So...why the suprise and outcry? Fail to prepare..prepare to fail. And this doesnt go just for tournaments....preparing is an ongoing cycle. Unless and until we look to do that...dont expect anything different from what is happening now.
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With due respect while acknowledging Andre's article and from since the inception of this domain the emphasis of developmental theories and getting our asses kicked has been discussed over and over and over and over.. What next?
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Since when development is synonymous with getting our asses kicked. I'm not seeing any development, I am seeing regression. Since when is it a massive accomplishment to qualify for Gold Cup. Who gives a crap about gold cup, especially if we are just going there to collect level licks. We are not the hottest thing from CFU anymore. We are not competitive. We need an injection of motivation or something. Someone who can get the team working and Shabazz and Co aren't it.
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Andre is on point. The qualification had a lot to do with the international experience of Latapy and Yorke and it was still tough, even with nice fixtures. With this group there IS a lot of development work to do to make the team truly competitive . Give Hutson and Shabazz a chance to see how they fare in the Gold Cup and get a serious plan drawn up to start 2018 qualification. If we put clear thinking heads together and do some serious analysis we can come up with a Good plan. Time for a fresh approach! Not running for a foreigner when it is crunch time, and looking for a saviour!
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Everybody suddenly turn expert on what's best. Bottom line something drastically needs to be done. Picking a next local coach is only asking for more of the same. Who will we put?
We have a technical director that seems clueless. And a traitor as coach.
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Whatever we decide to do coach wise, I just hope our team don't go to the Gold Cup and embarrass ourselves.
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Bring in Terry if not the Don..
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So people saying Beenie can't do anything right now for our football. Anybody remember Cyd Gray pre Beenie? Beenie could make a difference with our defenders. Beenie had a short window for 2006 qualification and made a big difference in a few games. He then coached us to a draw with Sweden and almost holding on versus England. Everyone thought our stock was on the up.
Given a longer tenure the man might be able to blood some youth, raise our ranking and actually make us a team worth playing. That has major implications for future players trying to move abroad.
I respect the current coaches but at the same time I don't see them carrying us anywhere. Shabbaz* is a club coach who has done what exactly with his club? I really don't know Charles credentials.
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So people saying Beenie can't do anything right now for our football. Anybody remember Cyd Gray pre Beenie? Beenie could make a difference with our defenders. Beenie had a short window for 2006 qualification and made a big difference in a few games. He then coached us to a draw with Sweden and almost holding on versus England. Everyone thought our stock was on the up.
Given a longer tenure the man might be able to blood some youth, raise our ranking and actually make us a team worth playing. That has major implications for future players trying to move abroad.
I respect the current coaches but at the same time I don't see them carrying us anywhere. Shabbaz* is a club coach who has done what exactly with his club? I really don't know Charles credentials.
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Andre is on point. The qualification had a lot to do with the international experience of Latapy and Yorke and it was still tough, even with nice fixtures. With this group there IS a lot of development work to do to make the team truly competitive . Give Hutson and Shabazz a chance to see how they fare in the Gold Cup and get a serious plan drawn up to start 2018 qualification. If we put clear thinking heads together and do some serious analysis we can come up with a Good plan. Time for a fresh approach! Not running for a foreigner when it is crunch time, and looking for a saviour!
How they will fare in the Gold Cup seems to be scribbled on the wall of failure. We continue to be so willing to play with our footballing patrimony.
However, I'm certain curtains on the Gold Cup will broker a change in the pattern of handing the levers of national team control to people out of random expedience.
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Fire Beenhakker..Fire Shabazz..Leave Hutson Charles..
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It wasn't hard for Cyd Gray to play in that system because all he had to do was defend in his zone. He was good 1v1..If I could recall he played in a different position before that.
The people in charge of Trinidad football right now..a yankee fella name Phillips who is unqualified for the position and a black man with a chinee name ..he doh look nothing like chinee..what these people know about football?
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So what if you black and have Chine name? You bold. Lol
Not sure about Philips
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why not bring beenhakker back in, shabazz not my pick...
like observer and tallman pointed out correctly, devemopment should happen at club and school level, academy level.
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Ah guess Latapy place in danger now
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It wasn't hard for Cyd Gray to play in that system because all he had to do was defend in his zone. He was good 1v1..If I could recall he played in a different position before that.
The people in charge of Trinidad football right now..a yankee fella name Phillips who is unqualified for the position and a black man with a chinee name ..he doh look nothing like chinee..what these people know about football?
This really called for. What is Sunil Gulati experience in football? And he doing a dam good job with USA.
Man go take your medication
People talking about making a National team out of local based players. People feel this is 1970's or 80's. Look at the mess Jamaica was in for the 2010 qualification when Simoes try to recreate 1998. We so dam insular no wonder every dam thing in a mess in the country. Man talking about Foreign mentality and Colonialism, but living in foreign, getting foreign education & coaching education. Is jokey thing dat!
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Warriors Been-hakkered: Uncertainty as Dutchman nears T&T return
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868)
Former 2006 World Cup coach Leo Beenhakker seems even closer to a reunion with the Trinidad and Tobago national football team after the Soca Warriors were informed today that they might be under new management for next months CONCACAF Gold Cup tournament.
National co-head coaches Hutson Barber Charles and Jamaal Shabazz and assistant coach Derek King told the squad, according to several players who spoke under the condition of anonymity, that the only remaining issue was for the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) to source the funds to pay the Dutchmans salary.
Beenhakker, who was dubbed Don Leo during a successful stint as Real Madrid coach in the late 1980s, is rumoured to have requested US$75,000 ($480,700) for a months work.
However, TTFA General Secretary Sheldon Phillips denied that Beenhakker has agreed terms with the local football body or that a financial package has been discussed yet.
(Beenhakker) has indicated he is interested in assisting the team and Trinidad and Tobagos football, Phillips told Wired868. A done deal is a signature on a contract. We are in talks but there has been no agreement in principle.
Phillips hinted too that the TTFA hoped to source funds for its new coach outside of the Ministry of Sport.
Equally intriguing is the length of service expected from the 70-year-old Dutchman, who took Trinidad and Tobago to its first senior World Cup and then, two years later, led Poland to its maiden appearance at a Euro finals.
Phillips admitted that Beenhakkers stay could feasibly be shorter than the school holidays.
Trinidad and Tobago plays its opening 2013 Gold Cup match on July 8 against El Salvador while its last group assignment is against Honduras on July 15. The Gold Cup final will be held on July 28 at Soldier Field in Chicago.
The TTFA does not know whether Beenhakker wants to stay beyond the tournament or if the football body could afford to hire his services for a longer period. However, Phillips insisted that the enthusiasm the renowned coach could bring to the national players and supporters within that period could make it worthwhile.
We are talking (to Beenhakker) specifically about the Gold Cup, he said. (The Gold Cup) is our last significant event for the next two years and our approach is to put out a product that is going to excite people because it performs well and wins games We want to utilise whatever resources we have available to reach those goals.
We feel his credentials speak for themselves. If he comes in (and) if he is utilised properly, it can be the shot in the arm that the Association has long needed.
Charles, Shabazz and King, who steered the Warriors to their first Gold Cup appearance in six years, have supposedly indicated they are willing to work under Beenhakker. Phillips suggested that this would be the ideal outcome and complimented the local staff for its accomplishments in an extremely challenging environment.
I dont think (bringing in Beenhakker) can be seen as a criticism of the local staff, said Phillips. It is an addition to what we have now and not a replacement. The fact that they qualified the present team for the Gold Cup has to be acknowledged.
We want to be able to develop our resources and make it better however we can.
The TTFF general secretary also assured the present technical staff members that they would receive outstanding match fees before Beenhakkers unveiling, if it does happen.
We cant take care of one and not take care of the others, said Phillips. There is still some money that is owed that we have to sort out simultaneously.
Trinidad and Tobago had just 17 available players for a 4-0 loss away to Romania as the staff supposedly could not afford to fly in United States-based defender Julius James while the Warriors had to sleep in Helsinkis international airport, during a 12-hour lay-over, as there were no funds to check into a hotel.
However, Phillips rejected any notion that the football body did not try hard enough for its squad but was now pushing the boat out for Beenhakker. He also commended the Ministry of Sport for its financial support this year.
One has nothing to do with the other, said Phillip, when asked to weigh the teams recent financial hardships against the TTFAs eagerness to recruit Beenhakker. (The Helsinki lay-over) was the best situation that could have been arranged at the time The Government has done its best to source the funding to allow us to get to these tours.
The timing of the money (from the Government) was not optimal but we dont want perfect to be the enemy of the good Our goal is to give the Government confidence to add us on to its next annual budget.
Phillips stopped short of offering guarantees to any of the present technical staff members with Beenhakkers impending arrival. But he hinted that the local body wanted only one new face.
In 2005, then Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) Special Advisor Jack Warner selected David Nakhid and Russell Latapy as Beenhakkers assistant coaches. But the Dutchman refused the appointments and the TTFF allowed him to bring his compatriots, Wim Rijsbergen and Theo De Jong, instead.
(Beenhakkers assistant coaches) hasnt been part of the discussion, said Phillips. We are not inclined to bring anybody else. The overall purpose is to win games but we want to develop our resources as well so that there will be short term and long term development But we havent gotten to the look and responsibilities of the final staff yet.
There were mixed feelings among the players as some expressed dismay that the local coaches would not lead them at the Gold Cup while others felt the staff failed to properly handle the foreign-based players and had overseen a drop in discipline in recent months.
Many wondered what Beenhakker could possibly accomplish with just three weeks before their opening Gold Cup match.
But, to a man, the players were excited by the chance to work with the famous Dutch coach.
There are two other technical issues.
First, the local Pro League and most of the European leagues are on break; so Beenhakker would not be able to assess his players in competitive action.
So what criteria could be used for selection apart from trials or simply taking the word of the present staff? And would a mandatory try-out spell doom for Hughton Hector, Willis Plaza and Seon Power who were part of the 2012 Caribbean Cup finals squad but are in the middle of their season in the Far East?
Also, the TTFA has already submitted a 34-man preliminary squad to CONCACAF and the final 23 players can only be drawn from that pool, which limits Beenhakkers options.
Middlesbroughs Justin Hoyte, Ipswich Towns Carlos Edwards and Neal & Massy Caledonia AIAs Aubrey David are the only three specialist full backs in the preliminary squad, for instance, while Slovakia Bratislava attacker Lester Peltier, San Jose Earthquakes winger Cordell Cato and Chainat FC left winger Kendall Jagdeosingh are all excluded.
Beenhakker will not have the opportunity to evalaute useful Pro League full backs like the North East Stars pair of Kevon Villaroel and Elton John as well as Jamal Jack (St Anns Rangers), Kareem Joseph (Caledonia) and Aklie Edwards (Defence Force) either.
But Phillips is confident that the possible late introduction of Beenhakker would solve more problems than it creates.
(The proximity of the Gold Cup) is a challenge but youre talking about professional coaches and professional players who live for a challenge, he said. If (Beenhakker) thinks it wasnt worth discussing it, then we wouldnt still be talking.
It isnt perfect but we cant let perfect be the enemy of good.
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Meet the Warriors: TTFF names Gold Cup preliminary squad
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868)
Trinidad and Tobago co-head coaches Hutson Barber Charles and Jamaal Shabazz kept faith with the majority of its 2012 Caribbean Cup squad after selecting 18 players into their 34-man preliminary squad for next months CONCACAF Gold Cup tournament.
The notable two absentees from the Caribbean Cup are Slovan Bratislava winger Lester Peltier and Defence Force forward Richard Roy while DIRECTV W Connection attacker Hashim Arcia, Chainat FC winger Kendall Jagdeosingh, San Jose Earthquakes attacker Cordell Cato and Columbus Crew midfield hardman Kevan George also miss out.
Caribbean Cup captain and St Anns Rangers goalkeeper Jan-Michael Williams made his first appearance for Trinidad and Tobago in 2013 during a 1-0 loss to Estonia last week. Neal & Massy Caledonia AIA midfielder Densill Theobald wore the armband against Estonia, though.
Perhaps the technical staff is keeping its options open in terms of its final two custodians as North East Stars Cleon John forced his way into contention with a superb Pro League season while Central FCs Marvin Phillip is another serious contender.
In defence, the Warriors are blessed with an abundance of talented young central defenders like Connections Daneil Cyrus and Vancouver Whitecaps Carlyle Mitchell. However, the recent reluctance to serve by foreign-based players like Robert Primus and Sheldon Bateau could leave an opening for an outside shot like former national under-20 team captain Radanfah Abu Bakr.
The team is short of options at left back as Caledonias Aubrey David has not always looked comfortable this year while Connections Joevin Jones plays closer to the opposing goal in the Pro League.
Anyone see Hughtun Hector play recently?
The versatile Vietnam-based midfielder can be an asset on his day with his accurate delivery from wide areas and his mature decision making as a playmaker. But the TTFAs reluctance to pay his airfare for friendlies makes his role uncertain with a fresh-faced offensive midfield brigade headed by Ataullah Guerra, Kevin Molino and, possibly, Jones.
Khaleem Hylands talent is unlikely to be overlooked for a central midfield role, although he represented his country just once this year, and the trio of Theobald, Chris Birchall and Andre Boucaud might be battling to play alongside him.
Theobald, incidentally, is on 92 international caps at the moment.
Not too many pure wingers though. Defence Force speedster Kevon Carter is almost a certainty for his incredible acceleration but other alternatives like Darryl Roberts, Keon Daniel and Kevin Molino seem to prefer more central roles and are, arguably, more useful just behind a striker too.
Upfront, North East Stars striker Cornell Glen has quickly made himself indispensable to the squad and his contribution might only be limited by nagging injuries. The field is wide open behind him, though.
Stoke Citys Kenwyne Jones is easily Trinidad and Tobagos most recognisable present player and was captain during the countrys short-lived 2014 World Cup qualifying campaign. But there is little sign yet that the staff knows exactly what to do with him.
Defence Force poacher Devorn Jorsling is a man who knows the way to goal but Trinidad and Tobago often plays too deep to make the most of his ability while the gangly Jamal Gay has often been useful when he featured.
Shahdon Winchester is a late addition and would hope that his low centre of gravity and clever movement earns him the nod while Willis Plaza might be hampered by earning his trade so far from home in the Vietnam league.
Whether it is Shabazz and Charles or former World Cup 2006 coach Leo Beenhakker who get the final say, these are the young men they must choose from:
(T&T Preliminary Squad)
Goalkeepers: (3)
Marvin Phillip (Central FC), Jan-Michael Williams (St Anns Rangers), Cleon John (NE Stars);
Defenders: (10)
Carlyle Mitchell (VancouverCanada), Kareem Moses (NE Stars), Radanfah Abu Bakr (VostokKazakhastan), Robert Primus (Aktobe FCKazkhastan), Daneil Cyrus (W. Connection), Seon Power (Chainat FCThailand), Sheldon Bateau (KV MechelenBelgium), Carlos Edwards (Ipswich TownEngland), Justin Hoyte (MiddlesbroughEngland), Aubrey David (Caledonia);
Midfielders: (15)
Khaleem Hyland (Racing GenkBelgium), Densill Theobald (Caledonia), Andre Boucaud (Notts CountyEngland), Curtis Gonzales (Defence Force), Clyde Leon (W. Connection), Chris Birchall (Port ValeEngland), Keyon Edwards (Caledonia), Ataullah Guerra (RoPSFinland), Hughton Hector (Song Lam NgheVietnam), Keon Daniel (Philadelphia UnionUS), Joevin Jones (W. Connection), Kevin Molino (Orlando CityUnited States), Darryl Roberts (SamsunsporTurkey), Jason Marcano (Central FC), Kevon Carter (Defence Force);
Forwards: (6)
Devorn Jorsling (Defence Force), Kenwyne Jones (Stoke CityEngland), Shahdon Winchester (FF JaroFinland), Willis Plaza (Song Lam NgheVietnam), Jamal Gay (Caledonia), Cornell Glen (North East Stars).
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Someone has made a mistake as Jason Marcano is not in the squad. We double checked with Sheldon Phillips to make sure as Central F.C. were only notified about Marvin Phillip.
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As usual the TTFF/TTFA expects wine from water in the last minute. Why not let Shabbaz/Charles coach the tournament, assess the outcome then make a decision on whether to bring in anyone else, and if so, give them the freedom they need to choose and assess players independently
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As usual the TTFF/TTFA expects wine from water in the last minute. Why not let Shabbaz/Charles coach the tournament, assess the outcome then make a decision on whether to bring in anyone else, and if so, give them the freedom they need to choose and assess players independently
Shabazz can't even legally enter the United States
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This point about players and coaches in Trinidad is a point taken to a point. Despite the coaching shortcomings we have in Trinidad and Tobago..we still produce good players.
We have what we have..what we have to do is understand what we have and make the best of it.
If we have green mango then we could make mango chow..why take green mango and try to make pine apple juice..
This is what we are trying to do currently. Gally said it and I am saying it and Shabba said himself..we having problems in attack because we playing too deep and the players are too far away from each other causing each player to make a pass that is too long..this is Dutch football..we have to play closer together and maximize our abilities in a smaller area.
This Dutch style is European, Right? and what you recommend here is South American as well. so are you saying that we should play a South American style of a short passing game?
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Beenhakker back in charge.
By Ian Prescott (Express).
Dutchman Leo Beenhakker, who qualified Trinidad and Tobago for the 2006 FIFA Mens World Cup, will take up a two-month assignment with the senior national football team for the 2013 CONCACAF Gold Cup, which takes place from July 8-28 in the United States.
The Soca Warriors have qualified for the regions premier football competition for the first time in six years.
Beenhakker will be in charge for a two-month stint as head coach for the Gold Cup, and will work alongside current coaches Jamaal Shabazz and Hutson Charles. The local coaches are said to favour the move.
The Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) approved Beenhakkers return last night at a meeting of its Executive Council.
Preliminary discussion began with the former Real Madrid coach when TTFA president Raymond Tim Kee met Beenhakker at a FIFA Congress in Mauritius recently. Casual discussions were held, after which Beenhakker was invited to view T&Ts friendly international against Romania, which the Europeans won 4-0.
Read More (http://www.socawarriors.net/mens-senior-team/senior-team-news/senior-team-news/12553-beenhakker-back-in-charge.html)
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SING IT FROM THE MOUNTAIN TOP...ALLLLLLLLLEUJJJAAAHHHHHHH...... ;D....this is a glimpse of good news...even if its for 2 months. I eh know y de efffffinggg jametttenesss they din bring in de man from de time we qualify for de gc. Full contingent of players...big coach..ahhrite...lets see where de problem lie :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Im all for beenhakker coming back. big coach dat, but only for two months?? don't know if i like the sound of that, unless it's based on performance, but why not indefinitely.
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Two months is shit though. Long term is needed. If you could not get him long term save yuh money.
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Is this really the answer? Are we looking for a short term fix? This move is like we usual default. Put together low budget teams hope lime heck to qualify bring in star boys work with local coach then with last minute find foreign coach and hope that is the answer. How many times have this played out? How many times we get the results? The wheels on the bus goes round and round while we still in park.
Development system in play player or team cohesion still remains in the experimental stage. Why do we appear to be so duncy when it comes to planning? We have money to pay this coach but not to fly in some of we so called better players for friendliest?
We cyst find sponsors for players? Look nah sometimes ah does have to give in when them other islands looking and laughing at we yes. We think we tricky fuh real.
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Is this really the answer? Are we looking for a short term fix? This move is like we usual default. Put together low budget teams hope lime heck to qualify bring in star boys work with local coach then with last minute find foreign coach and hope that is the answer. How many times have this played out? How many times we get the results? The wheels on the bus goes round and round while we still in park.
Development system in play player or team cohesion still remains in the experimental stage. Why do we appear to be so duncy when it comes to planning? We have money to pay this coach but not to fly in some of we so called better players for friendliest?
We cyst find sponsors for players? Look nah sometimes ah does have to give in when them other islands looking and laughing at we yes. We think we tricky fuh real.
Wait until all the info is fully divulged before yuh go talking outatimin. i here waiting for the full report before i say anything incriminating. :waiting:
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Knee jerk culture, no plan for sustainable and long term development, none. Target great GC showing and then what? Sorry, we will cross that bridge when we reach it, time for beers :frustrated:
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Leo saw basic flaws in team structure- well we need a good showing at the Gold Cup. Maybe Charles and Shabbaz could learn a thing or two from Leo. Let us face it we are leaking goals and scoring none. This is TTFF fellas a plaster to deal with the sore. Why are you surprised.?
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Knee jerk culture, no plan for sustainable and long term development, none. Target great GC showing and then what? Sorry, we will cross that bridge when we reach it, time for beers :frustrated:
I would prefered if Shabazz was never introduced, while charles is green, the introduction of Shabazz only produced decline, what is even more galling is Shabazz is persona non grata in d States..........square peg round hole.........the federation realise dey made a mistake and tryin to plug it, but at what cost
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While I don't agree on the length of the stint, something needed to be done. But I believe that this will have a positive influence on the team because it is obvious that they are lacking cohesion and organization. All we can do now is sit back and support the team. :beermug:
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terrible move (2 months if that is the case)!
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If the 'new' federation is all about transparency, I believe the fans deserve an explanation as to why the 2 month term was given...
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If the 'new' federation is all about transparency, I believe the fans deserve an explanation as to why the 2 month term was given...
panic
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Birchy position in the starting 11 done book! ;D
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Knee jerk culture, no plan for sustainable and long term development, none. Target great GC showing and then what? Sorry, we will cross that bridge when we reach it, time for beers :frustrated:
Agreed, people in a panic and fraid we get embarrassed at the Gold Cup. The long term plan is to give him a ten days wok before each upcoming tournament/qualification round.
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Good move by the TTFF for short term, just wish it was long term. We still need long term though.
We need a long term coach and a foreign one to, the local guys are decent but not knowledgeable. And they cannot organise anything properly.
If Beenhakker could come here and make a difference in 3 weeks then that would say a lot about Shabazz and Charles.
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Knee jerk culture, no plan for sustainable and long term development, none. Target great GC showing and then what? Sorry, we will cross that bridge when we reach it, time for beers :frustrated:
Agreed, people in a panic and fraid we get embarrassed at the Gold Cup. The long term plan is to give him a ten days wok before each upcoming tournament/qualification round.
I have no problem with that if it takes us to Russia! ;)
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The 2 months hadda be a money issue. Beenie eh coming cheap. Gold Cup first, then hopefully a good showing will get sponsors on board and they could use the mileage to get a "Keep Beenie" campaign going.
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I imagine there are two reasons:
Can Mr Shabazz fly with the team to USA?
Can TTFA afford US$75km pm for more than 2 months?
But having Leo around will boost confidence and we'll probably get some decent opponents scheduled for the next 12 months.
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If Beenhakker could come here and make a difference in 3 weeks then that would say a lot about Shabazz and Charles.
Every game I see since them in charge, the team has regressed to defending with only defenders. No other football team in the world do you see only defenders when the next team attacking. Even when men on the break you always see midfielders somewhere on the screen, unless is a long ball for a striker who was loafing.
Every goal we concede this year...u always seeing 4 defenders...usually scramblng at sixes and sevens. Except for the Peru game when Birchall was busting his gut.
Thus, as Beenie say..he see some simple structural issues he could address. Give him back his "house" as he called the formation.
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Dutchman Leo Beenhakker, who qualified Trinidad and Tobago for the 2006 FIFA Mens World Cup, will take up a two-month assignment with the senior national football team for the 2006 CONCACAF Gold Cup, which takes place from July 8-28 in the United States.
Express editor sleeping as usual...
Anyway, it's a start? let's see how it pans out.
We know dem foreign players eh listening to the local coaches. Beenhakker go get the best out of them, watch and see
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Birchy position in the starting 11 done book! ;D
And Theobold ;D
But we really reach a new low...honestly we was never so shitty, never ever....none of the local coaches before, even interim men from Clayton Morris,Ron la, KJ, Muhummed Isa, Najjar, Edgar Vidale, nobody ...not even Corneal had the team looking and playing shitty so.
In fact looking at that statement...Hutson and Shabbaz cyar be compared to them fellas no way no how. They not in that coaching league.
I would even say the era during the blacklist was worse than this for the players, and under latapy tenure when we ent make Gold Cup as players were not paid etc and men was stranded abroad and ting.
But even then we didnt look bad so when men step on the field.
The fact is and remains...this crop of players not good. Beenhaker cyar help dem.
It come like yuh trying to cook a pelau...the chicken spoil and d rice have weevil (aging stars), the (youths and pfl players) come like water down coconut milk yuh make from the pack, with water from the AM Premium breakfast party and the lil punkin and peas (foreign based players) ent that special to hold the pot together. This pot also have zero seasoning either fresh or bottled.
TTFA feel that Beenhakker come like a Maggi cube or a end of golden Ray salt butter....he go help, but the pot go still taste and smell like shit.
We go come second to last instead of last in the group.... It's a help though.
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If the 'new' federation is all about transparency, I believe the fans deserve an explanation as to why the 2 month term was given...
hopefully they will have a press conference when he arrives to answer all these questions.
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I think its to late for Beenhakker to make a drastic change, he might make a little difference though because them other coaches was not to good.
We need to play at least 2 full international games before de Gold Cup.
By Beenhakker being here it would attrack sponsors and better opponents. But more time is needed.
At least Sheldon Phillips and Tim Kee trying they hand, cant knock them for that.
Zidane is looking for a coaching wok, he should apply to be T&T coach on a long term, a good place to start off. :D
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Leo laughing all the way to the bank. USD 75K per month for a 2 month stint?
And i pretty sure that does not include housing and travel. Now i not saying that top tier coaches not making that kind of money as per usual but my mind just saying, if that money was spread out over a year that is almost 1 million USD. Imagine if we could funnel that kind of money into some youth programs.
I guess we'll see how it plays out. I like Leo, he seems uncompromising when it comes to what he wants and unfortunately our culture requires that kind of hard nosed leadership. On and off the field.
All the best Don Leo in your second stint. I think this one will be even more of a challenge, this is a far less experienced group than 2006. The core of the 2006 squad had a core group of players with each over 10 years professional experience.
Somehow i feel this appointment is also to ensure the commitment of a few frontline players that have been sort of indifferent in the last few months.
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wtf Now is three head coach?
Touches cooking analogy is apt oui
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The 2 month period is appropriate. Post-GC is a proper place to pursue fundamental redirection.
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I was skeptical of the move at first but the more I think about it the better. Folks, Don Leo not here for technical stuff and quite frankly he's probably a bit too advanced in age to be a technical director. Senior team footbball is about tactics, not technical skill. If it was about technical skill, well we loss already. Clearly we are being outcoached at the moment.
Bringing in Don Leo gives us instant credibility from the players, administration, citizens and the football world in general. Man who making style wouldn't do so anymore. Plus men know they have to work hard in practice in order to play. The GC is the only major competition we in for the next 2-3 years. Let's hang our hopes that he delivers well in the GC and we'll move on from there.
All this development thing is for a youth development director and that is not Don Leo's role and shouldn't be.
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Been saying this relentlessly, just like everything else in life, you always end up getting what you pay for. The days when we would take ex-players and throw them in as a coach when they retire and hope to compete with the best in CONCACAF are long gone. The game has totally changed. It is now so scientific and tactical in a holistic way, you need to have people who know what they doing in order to advance.
Nowadays it cost at least $50K US a month to even start the conversation to get a pedigree coach for a national team. Klinsman gets $200K and Carlos Quiros who was being eyed for T&T couple years ago gets $160K a month. You cyah take a Cortina and race a CL63..
These top coaches travel the world, attend latest workshops, do stints with top club teams, publish technical papers, follow modern scientific knowledge of the game to a tee...in other words, true students of the game...And this doesnt come cheap. No disrespect to the current coaching staff, they just havent had the experience to develop properly yet...
Anil Roberts said that there will be no investment in a coach like this UNTIL we prove ourselves and get to the HEX, lol lol. I wont even respond to that.
I am sure the 2 month thing is a mixture of funding, the timing of the Gold Cup and Beenhakker's wishes.
Our team is in shambles, makes no doubt about it.
We are extremely unfit and tactically we are poor. If u are poor tactically, other teams will take you apart and make u more unfit, thus rendering the simple basics of football like trapping, passing, thinking etc almost impossible. No wonder we always look like we chasing the game and scampering..
Plenty people here criticise Beenhakker for his tactics at the world cup, imagine that lol. Like we all have won La Liga titles with Real Madrid and taken a team to the World Cup.
While I believe this is not the best long term solution for us, its at least an attempt to do something. And he is much better than anything we have locally. Even if its for the very fact that this new generation of players will have unbridled respect for this man (his accomplishments/race etc), it will be a boost. If this man can bench latas, then all players know they hadda earn their spot.
Good move TTFF. Dont often get the chance to say that, lets prep for the Gold Cup and see how it goes and take the next step after that.. In a tournament, the aim is to not concede goals and get beaten. Beenhakker is good at this. he is also very good at making the best of what he has available. Hope he can take an average group of players cf to the 2005 bunch and do something good next month..
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might be some small blessing if he override dat ol' man attitude shit Charles and Shabazz on wit Peltier though
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Knee jerk culture, no plan for sustainable and long term development, none. Target great GC showing and then what? Sorry, we will cross that bridge when we reach it, time for beers :frustrated:
I would prefered if Shabazz was never introduced, while charles is green, the introduction of Shabazz only produced decline, what is even more galling is Shabazz is persona non grata in d States..........square peg round hole.........the federation realise dey made a mistake and tryin to plug it, but at what cost
agreed.
The way things was going the Gold Cup may have been a disaster. Still may be.
I think we should have looked for somebody a little more long term.
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Leo has been brought in for this tournament and this tournament only. We need to have a good showing to attract sponsorship for the future. Any money/prestige derived from a good GC showing will be used to fund future development. Come on people this, like every high profile tournament or world cup qualifying, is where the money is...... just ask Jack. If people cant see that then they blind.
On the two month thing, as far as i see it he could ride out after the GC because at his age he ent lasting till no next world cup qualifying.
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YESSS!!!!!
Now ah done do meh cartwheels/back-flips/and ah vex running-man, ah ready to say THANK YOU FATHER!!!
Call me shallow if you will, but de long term go see bout itself...all yuh feel it easy to be staring dong de barrel of ANOTHER pathetic performance from my national football team?!?!?!?
My advice too, is not to wait to hear de details of de deal but rather jump on here and be all speculative and get bent outta shape, because it ALWAYS is de sensible thing to do ;)
And because ah like meh lil bacahnal too...I can't wait to see who will be the Angus Eves (et al) this time around.
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YESSS!!!!!
Now ah done do meh cartwheels/back-flips/and ah vex running-man, ah ready to say THANK YOU FATHER!!!
Call me shallow if you will, but de long term go see bout itself...all yuh feel it easy to be staring dong de barrel of ANOTHER pathetic performance from my national football team?!?!?!?
My advice too, is not to wait to hear de details of de deal but rather jump on here and be all speculative and get bent outta shape, because it ALWAYS de sensible thing to do ;)
And because ah like meh lil bacahnal too...I can't wait to see who will be the Angus Eves (et al) this time around.
Thank you, fully agree with you!
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In 2 hrs d Don will have d team lookin betta than d army fella and d terorist. So leh him go GC and show d likes of Vidale what he could do in 2 mths that them fellas could not do in mths. I just hope when he collect his last cheque he hand them the name of a coach that we can hire to take d team forward to 2018 b4 yuh blink is 2016 and a next season of WCQ.
Development wuk is never d role of d NT coach.
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Watch how them fellas will shape up now
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I imagine there are two reasons:
Can Mr Shabazz fly with the team to USA?
Can TTFA afford US$75km pm for more than 2 months?
But having Leo around will boost confidence and we'll probably get some decent opponents scheduled for the next 12 months.
spot on
They cannot afford him in a head coach capacity for more than 2 months... especially as we have nothing of major importance fixture wise till the end of 2014 when the Caribbean Cup is back
What Leo can bring is obviously the experience and the discipline.. I fear Shabazz and Charles have lost the squad.. Charles because he is more of an assistant coach cone layer type with no authority and Shabazz because he confrontational and always have some theory and annoying
Leo dont f**k around.. he is the perfect man manager and I'm very happy for the players getting the opportunity to work with him ..
Unfortunately Shabazz and Charles still around..I would have cut both of them , especially Shabazz
They not good enough at this level and I dont think 2 months with Leo will do much to help them to be honest.. it will actually make things worse when he leaves because the players will be like you are not Beenhakker
After the Gold Cup hopefully the Gov't gets involved and fund the programme and we can have Leo in a senior football director role and he can suggest a staff to take us forward, hopefully majority foreign (likely Dutch). And that foreign staff will have 2014-2017 to really give it a go to get us to 2018 which is very realistic once a proper yearly programme of good fixtures every international window is done
They have no sympathy in this game... If we stick with local coaches after the Don's stint we not going anywhere... Invest in a foreign staff for 3 years and reap the glory
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Wonder what will happen if someone whispers in Don Leo's ear (or shows him some video) that Peltier is a player to be considered?
Interesting times this.
Fitzinho bredda, while totally respecting you viewpoint, they had their chance at the CFU tournament.
Selfishly; I can't handle no embarrassing performance on a big of a stage as the GC...is only so much people could take man :(
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THE DON.....
The "package" will look better with The Don...to go and find funds for the long term project
if only we could find we missing fuc%ing 200 million dollars
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Wonder what will happen if someone whispers in Don Leo's ear (or shows him some video) that Peltier is a player to be considered?
Interesting times this.
Fitzinho bredda, while totally respecting you viewpoint, they had their chance at the CFU tournament.
Selfishly; I can't handle no embarrassing performance on a big of a stage as the GC...is only so much people could take man :(
the team looked creditable in early qualifying before Shabazz...........that however brings sharply into question what if any control Charles had once Shabazz was brought in ...........and by extension his strength of character in the grand scheme.............given how easily he allowed himself to be pushed asside by the terrorist
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Big Mag,
All the TTFA hadda do is start wrecking firetruck...they go get that money back in no time.
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Wonder what will happen if someone whispers in Don Leo's ear (or shows him some video) that Peltier is a player to be considered?
Interesting times this.
Fitzinho bredda, while totally respecting you viewpoint, they had their chance at the CFU tournament.
Selfishly; I can't handle no embarrassing performance on a big of a stage as the GC...is only so much people could take man :(
the team looked creditable in early qualifying before Shabazz...........that however brings sharply into question what if any control Charles had once Shabazz was brought in ...........and by extension his strength of character in the grand scheme.............given how easily he allowed himself to be pushed asside by the terrorist
Dan, leh we stick to the football nah. Leh we leave the political thing off this section of the forum. :beermug:
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Big Mag,
All the TTFA hadda do is start wrecking firetruck...they go get that money back in no time.
:rotfl: :rotfl:
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I had inform my fellow men on here. Check my post dated May 27th from the link below.
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=58855.new#new
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This is great news. People will be talking again. If we do well enough in the goal cup we can get more games, build the team and so forth and our local guys can hopefully learn something from him while he is here. I'm happy about this.
BTW, wasn't this whole sentiment of Leo just making money off Trinidad expressed when he first got here. I think this is a racist thing. Everyone needs to chill. A football coach is all about the football. I don't think I ever saw someone more passionate than Leo when was in charge of our team. He didn't look like he was collecting a paycheck, he was working for that paycheck. Same some people bashed Birchall before he even played a game and the guy ended up being a great addition to the team. And that comment about Birchall place being booked... SMH. Are we forgetting the man showed the same confidence in Densil (if not more) and we DID NOT see any reason why he was starting or even on the team for the matter.
You guys need to let go of this "white devil" mentality. Not every white person is out to exploit us. This has always been about the football alone.
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Wonder what will happen if someone whispers in Don Leo's ear (or shows him some video) that Peltier is a player to be considered?
Interesting times this.
Fitzinho bredda, while totally respecting you viewpoint, they had their chance at the CFU tournament.
Selfishly; I can't handle no embarrassing performance on a big of a stage as the GC...is only so much people could take man :(
the team looked creditable in early qualifying before Shabazz...........that however brings sharply into question what if any control Charles had once Shabazz was brought in ...........and by extension his strength of character in the grand scheme.............given how easily he allowed himself to be pushed asside by the terrorist
Dan, leh we stick to the football nah. Leh we leave the political thing off this section of the forum. :beermug:
I get u... but political my ass he's a treasonous fuuck
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Wonder what will happen if someone whispers in Don Leo's ear (or shows him some video) that Peltier is a player to be considered?
Interesting times this.
Fitzinho bredda, while totally respecting you viewpoint, they had their chance at the CFU tournament.
Selfishly; I can't handle no embarrassing performance on a big of a stage as the GC...is only so much people could take man :(
the team looked creditable in early qualifying before Shabazz...........that however brings sharply into question what if any control Charles had once Shabazz was brought in ...........and by extension his strength of character in the grand scheme.............given how easily he allowed himself to be pushed asside by the terrorist
Dan, leh we stick to the football nah. Leh we leave the political thing off this section of the forum. :beermug:
I get u... but political my ass he's a treasonous fuuck
He would be dead in another country
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Been saying this relentlessly, just like everything else in life, you always end up getting what you pay for. The days when we would take ex-players and throw them in as a coach when they retire and hope to compete with the best in CONCACAF are long gone. The game has totally changed. It is now so scientific and tactical in a holistic way, you need to have people who know what they doing in order to advance.
Nowadays it cost at least $50K US a month to even start the conversation to get a pedigree coach for a national team. Klinsman gets $200K and Carlos Quiros who was being eyed for T&T couple years ago gets $160K a month. You cyah take a Cortina and race a CL63..
These top coaches travel the world, attend latest workshops, do stints with top club teams, publish technical papers, follow modern scientific knowledge of the game to a tee...in other words, true students of the game...And this doesnt come cheap. No disrespect to the current coaching staff, they just havent had the experience to develop properly yet...
Anil Roberts said that there will be no investment in a coach like this UNTIL we prove ourselves and get to the HEX, lol lol. I wont even respond to that.
I am sure the 2 month thing is a mixture of funding, the timing of the Gold Cup and Beenhakker's wishes.
Our team is in shambles, makes no doubt about it.
We are extremely unfit and tactically we are poor. If u are poor tactically, other teams will take you apart and make u more unfit, thus rendering the simple basics of football like trapping, passing, thinking etc almost impossible. No wonder we always look like we chasing the game and scampering..
Plenty people here criticise Beenhakker for his tactics at the world cup, imagine that lol. Like we all have won La Liga titles with Real Madrid and taken a team to the World Cup.
While I believe this is not the best long term solution for us, its at least an attempt to do something. And he is much better than anything we have locally. Even if its for the very fact that this new generation of players will have unbridled respect for this man (his accomplishments/race etc), it will be a boost. If this man can bench latas, then all players know they hadda earn their spot.
Good move TTFF. Dont often get the chance to say that, lets prep for the Gold Cup and see how it goes and take the next step after that.. In a tournament, the aim is to not concede goals and get beaten. Beenhakker is good at this. he is also very good at making the best of what he has available. Hope he can take an average group of players cf to the 2005 bunch and do something good next month..
Well said! Spot on.
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:cheers: :applause:
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So based on this development...what are the general expectations of the board for the Gold Cup?
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is 2 months enough to look at new players etc, Last time around beenie took a long time working with locals to find the few that pushed into the squad.
Pro league in off season so no games to watch
UK based on vacation
US based in mid season men not being released
I expect to see the same squad with some UK based
we should be able to compete with elsalvador and beat haiti.
any team we meet from the Hex will beat us easy.
the sharpness and competition just not there added to the fact that they have better quality.
surviving the group will be a good achievement.
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I would like for us to score a goal.
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Refreshing news !! but no cartwheels for me just yet , reason being persona non grata jamal shabazz still on board , but i must admit its great to learn leo beenhakker is back in the mix ..... 2 months to bring stability and respectability to the team i'll take that, rather than see another woeful performance by the national team .... a useful move by ttfa .... many may query why 2 months or why so late in the program ... along with many outstanding questions , certainly its all well and good . its healthy for debate... at the same token none of us knows the facts just yet , whether the 2 months is conditional or not, so i will prefer to hold off any critical views until further details is released... but i do think this is a useful move to have leo beenhakker add his expertise to the program ....... welcome back leo ....
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And just like that.
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Rel Dotishishness...We still not going past the first round in the Gold Cup...then what? Pay this man until 2018?
Rel stchippid people in Trinidad..that's why Jack Warner get so rich..oh Gawd dey will never learn...
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All de people on dis forum who agree with this Beenhakker move ..allyuh is rel sctchippid peeple...allyuh believe in putting Bandaid on a sore..Dotish people..dat's why Trinidad so backward...backward people..backward mindset..Dotish,dotish,stchippid.
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Oh I'm sorry... we're supposed to sit and watch the team be humiliated at every game... yes, that is the definition of progress.
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coache ah see yuh having ah field day breds , ok breds i understand yuh will be appointed leo beenhakker assistant will that conflict with yuh busy schedule , just asking no pon intended :beermug:
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If the 'new' federation is all about transparency, I believe the fans deserve an explanation as to why the 2 month term was given...
Not that hard to speculate as to why... they can't afford him for more, he's not interested in a longer app't., they favor cheaper, local alternatives. The fact is that Shabazz can't step foot in the US, so they need someone to take up the slack (doesn't say a whole lot for Charles, does it?), so a stop-gap is needed just for the GC.
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You guys need to let go of this "white devil" mentality. Not every white person is out to exploit us. This has always been about the football alone.
Bro, who talking about white devil mentality. Plenty men on the forum don't want Beenie for various reasons. Some people think we should move on. They are not totally oppose to a foreign coach. Some don't want him because of the Latapy "snub" in the WC. Some don't want a foreign coach period. They think that the TTFA should promote the local coaches. Where the white devil mentality come into play.
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So again...let me ask. Expectations for the team BEFORE this appointment was what?
And what are our expectations for the team AFTER this appointment?
How do they compare?
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So again...let me ask. Expectations for the team BEFORE this appointment was what?
And what are our expectations for the team AFTER this appointment?
How do they compare?
Well after this appointment we are in a way better tactical position for the Cup. But my expectations are the same: Get out of the 1st round then come home. Anything beyond that is to exceed expectations. Where's the win/loose analysis thread? Palos whey yuh?
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Did you know that the staff supposedly could not afford to fly in United States-based defender Julius James while the Warriors had to sleep in Helsinkis international airport, during a 12-hour lay-over, as there were no funds to check into a hotel.
So where they getting 75,000 USD to pay Beenhakker for a month's work?
How will the players look at Shabazz and Charles when Beenhakker leaves? what kind of respect they will get as this move makes them look small in a sense. Not that I care but could this be the end of them and the return of Russell Latapy?
Beenhakker will be very upset to know that Shabazz and Charles left out possibly 3 top players Cato, Peltier and Julius. 3 players who could start on the current team.
Local coaches to bad mind and they quick to condemn players and fail to realise that they position to is not to be taken for granted.
I like Tim Kee for this.
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This two month assignment for Leo is probably driven by several factors such as the timing of the Gold Cup, availability of funds (we can only afford two months right now), Leo looking to bank some more money for his retirement and we came knocking on his door, etc.
If we do well in the Gold Cup potential next steps would be find more money from sponsors to keep Leo or find another "high" profile but cheaper coach since we are a more attractive team.
People talking about his age but if the man mentally and physically capable of doing the job then age is irrelevant. It is not like he is out there playing on the field. Carlos Alberto Parreira is 70 and Scolari is 64. Beenhakker is 70, so he is too old for us but Parreira and Scolari not too old for a big side like Brazil.
Now would I hire Beenhakker as coach? Most likely not since he may not be coaching till 2018. However, I would hire him in a similar role as Parreira to work with the national coach. There is one problem with this plan, there are no good local coaches so we are back to the only option, the quick fix option of hiring him as a coach and hoping his assistants learn enough from him to eventually take control.
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Beenhakker will be very upset to know that Shabazz and Charles left out possibly 3 top players Cato, Peltier and Julius. 3 players who could start on the current team.
Local coaches to bad mind and they quick to condemn players and fail to realise that they position to is not to be taken for granted.
Were these players available, injured or otherwise.
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You guys need to let go of this "white devil" mentality. Not every white person is out to exploit us. This has always been about the football alone.
Bro, who talking about white devil mentality. Plenty men on the forum don't want Beenie for various reasons. Some people think we should move on. They are not totally oppose to a foreign coach. Some don't want him because of the Latapy "snub" in the WC. Some don't want a foreign coach period. They think that the TTFA should promote the local coaches. Where the white devil mentality come into play.
I am not talking about the people who have a problem with him for those reason but you cannot deny that there were people who had a problem with him and Birchall for the very reason I stated before they even had a chance to prove themselves. One such person even went as far as to say him and his technical staff were racist on national TV. (I don't know if you all remember who I am talking about here).
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WHAT IF WE WIN THE GOLD CUP?!! WHAT HAPPENS THEN?!!
Does Leo still go, or do we find the money to keep him long term?! :thinking:
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Allyuh just full of shyte.
If we play the GC with these jokers as coachs is lick by numbers.
With Beenie we have a chance of looking respectable.
Yuh in the stadium and watching on tv and TT down 3 4 5 nil before half time and yuh cringing and then comin here and complain, with Beenie it might only be a 1 or 2 goal loss even a draw is possible the way he coachs.
What fooking long term nonsense, the GC is next month !!!
At this leve,l fook long term get ah coach that could coach big men.
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Is this really the answer? Are we looking for a short term fix? This move is like we usual default. Put together low budget teams hope lime heck to qualify bring in star boys work with local coach then with last minute find foreign coach and hope that is the answer. How many times have this played out? How many times we get the results? The wheels on the bus goes round and round while we still in park.
Development system in play player or team cohesion still remains in the experimental stage. Why do we appear to be so duncy when it comes to planning? We have money to pay this coach but not to fly in some of we so called better players for friendliest?
We cyst find sponsors for players? Look nah sometimes ah does have to give in when them other islands looking and laughing at we yes. We think we tricky fuh real.
Wait until all the info is fully divulged before yuh go talking outatimin. i here waiting for the full report before i say anything incriminating. :waiting:
Personally, I believe AB is spot on. I dont see what can happen to make me feel different. We applaudin because dey find de bandage pack. AB is pointing out that is is indeed a bandage and if so then why we like bandage so much? Low budget team, a lot of hope and then finally, a quickie from a big name coach. TnT style of player usage and game development!
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Oh Gosh for once Trinbago people hush nah & listen.
Consider this angle. Allyuh always talking about local taking course, certificate yada yada.
Bennie comes in, does not bring a host of Dutch men with him. Allowing for the local based to work more
closely, be mentored, learn and develop. If is two months is better than taking some two week course from
an instructor that never really achieve nothing. Not only that the locals more likely to get paid while being an understudy.
Shit they should pay Beenie. This is football immersion at its best. So what if the Ministry pay Beenie salary, better than
paying millions to move a fire truck 40yards. Shit with that money just buy a new truck.
No Beenie will not make a difference with this lot, but he might indirectly contribute to coaches that can then spread the knowledge
If TTFA had any sense
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The Tim-kerman: TTFA president explains Beenhakker move
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868)
Italian coach Claudio Ranieris penchant for chopping and changing his first team at Chelsea, even when his squad was on a successful run, earned him the sobriquet of The Tinkerman.
Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) president Raymond Tim Kee, who took the helm of the local football body last November, cannot be accused of being afraid to rock the boat or indecisive either.
In December 2012, less than a month into his tenure, Tim Kee controversially inserted then Neal & Massy Caledonia AIA and Guyana national head coach Jamaal Shabazz into the Trinidad and Tobago squad and made him co-head coach alongside former Strike Squad standout Hutson Barber Charles.
Photo: The Trinidad and Tobago national football team celebrates booking its place at the 2013 CONCACAF Gold Cup.
(Courtesy Allan V Crane/Wired868)
And, just three weeks before kick off in the 2013 CONCACAF Gold Cup, Tim Kee sees similarities in his decision to add former Trinidad and Tobago 2006 World Cup coach Leo Beenhakker to the technical staff.
When I asked Jamaal to join Charles at the Caribbean Cup (finals), Tim Kee told Wired868, we had qualified at the lower level but I felt Jamaal could provide assistance at that stage. Jamaal came in and the rest is history.
But now looking at the US and Mexico and Panama and Haiti and these teams who are waiting for us in the Gold Cup, I am not completely comfortable with the belief that Jamaal and Hutson can take the team at that level. Because there is nothing after (the last) 10 games that suggests they could.
Within the aforementioned 10 games Tim Kee referenced was a 2-1 Caribbean Cup group stage triumph over the Dominican Republic that assured the Warriors of its first Gold Cup finals in six years as well as a semi-final penalty shoot-out win over Martinique. In the Caribbean Cup finals, it took a sudden death goal from gifted Cuban attacker Marcel Hernandez to sink Trinidad and Tobago after an error by Warriors custodian Jan-Michael Williams.
Since then, though, the Warriors have not won a match or scored a goal with one draw and five losses from six outings in 2013.
Photo: Trinidad and Tobago national football team co-head coach Hutson Barber Charles has paid the price for lean recent results with the Soca Warriors.
(Courtesy Allan V. Crane/Wired868)
Local coach Bertille St Clair arrived at the 2000 Gold Cup with no wins from his five preceding games and went on to take Trinidad and Tobago as far as the semi-finals, their highest-ever finish.
For Tim Kee, there is currently little virtue in patience; in fact, he revealed, the coaching trio of Charles, Shabazz and assistant Derek King might well have become unstuck earlier. In March, two losses to Peru and a goalless draw with Belize almost spelled doom for the national technical triumvirate.
This months outing to Europe for friendlies against Romania and Estonia, which yielded 4-0 and 1-0 losses respectively, brought a swift and ruthless response from the football president, whose day job is as a Guardian Life sales executive.
I saw what happened against Peru and Belize, said Tim Kee. They said they were trying to get the best fit in their squad, so I thought I would have to give them the benefit of the doubt. But what I saw (in Europe) was consistent with what I saw before.
It was a judgment call and a decision I had to make. It was late but, based on decency, I felt I had to give them the chance (in Europe).
I didnt think doing it earlier would have been fair to them.
Photo: Trinidad and Tobago goalkeeper Marvin Phillip was beaten four times in Bucharest as Romania ran riot.
(Courtesy AP)
Charles present record as coach stands at eight wins and as many losses as well as three drawn matches. There is no word yet regarding who will coach the team after the Gold Cup.
Beenhakker has only been contracted to work for the Gold Cup. And, despite his unquestioned ability as a coach, there is also an implicit belief that the Dutchmans presence can make the team more marketable and turn a few heads in the local business sector.
Tim Kee revealed that he intends to raise the money for Beenhakkers salary from the local private sector. His general secretary, Sheldon Phillips, son of Lincoln Tiger Phillips who was technical director during the Dutchmans first spell in Trinidad between 2005 and 2006, told Wired868 that the former Real Madrid and Netherlands coach will be fetching significantly less than the US$75,000 ($480,700) suggested in the media.
Neither Tim Kee nor Phillips was willing to reveal the financial package offered to Beenhakker.
Phillips said that, rather than rely on his compatriots, Beenhakker has agreed to work with local coaches for the upcoming Gold Cup. But although the ideal situation would be for the Dutchman to keep the incumbents in place, the general secretary admitted that he could give no such guarantee.
After almost 18 months in charge of the squad, Charles will now have to face a Beenhakker interview to qualify for a place as an assistant coach at the Gold Cup.
Photo: Trinidad and Tobago head-coach-in-waiting Leo Beenhakker.
One of the hallmarks of our arrangement with Leo was that he would work with local coaches, said Phillips. We strongly asked for Mr Charles to work with him but a decision has not been made yet. Leo will meet with Mr Charles before the team goes into camp and, if he is comfortable with Hutson, then from a transitional standpoint it would make sense for him to continue with the team.
And what does the immediate future hold for Shabazz and King within the national squad?
A decision has not been made yet with reference to Jamaal and Derek, said Phillips. After the decision is made (regarding Charles) we will look at the other coaching slots.
An insider told Wired868 that Shabazzs immigration issues with the United States might have influenced the TTFAs view on using his services for the upcoming competition. Shabazz, a member of the Jamaat-al-Muslimeen, was one of the 114 insurrectionists charged and tried as a result of the 1990 attempted coup. Roughly a decade ago, he was detained in Miami for several weeks after reportedly entering the United States with improper travel documents.
Shabazz insists that he would have no problems travelling, if necessary, to the US for the Gold Cup.
Photo: Trinidad and Tobago national co-head coach Jamaal Shabazz.
(Courtesy Allan V. Crane/Wired868)
Phillips declined comment on any possible immigration issues with Shabazz and did not offer any reason why the Caledonia coach may not get the same opportunity as Charles. But he insisted it was not a slight on his coaching ability and reiterated that Shabazz and King may still be included in the Gold Cup backroom staff.
But what if Beenhakker did not feel comfortable with Charles? Would it mean that the Dutchman could end up holding try-outs for local coaches on the eve of the Confederations showcase tournament?
We are focusing on Hutson, said Phillips, and after that bridge is crossed we will determine (our next move).
The uncertainty among the technical staff is not helped by the fact that they have hardly had a salary this year. Wired868 was reliably informed that the national coaches and other backroom staff members are owed between $90,000 and $230,000 for services provided to the TTFA.
Photo: A Trinidad and Tobago technical staff member sleeps at the international airport in Helsinki this month, during a 12-hour lay-over.
The unpaid technical staff conducted two training sessions with the Warriors this week, despite not knowing if they will be on the plane to the United States themselves.
Tim Kee said he is working feverishly to address the issue and hopes to receive the outstanding money to pay his staff from the Ministry of Sport next Tuesday.
Although Tim Kee and Phillips were responsible for settling an inherited seven-year bonus dispute with the 2006 Soca Warriors last month, the TTFA president suggested that the coaches salary was a Government responsibility.
I went to the Ministry (of Sport) just today and I hope that they honour their debts just like we did with the Soca Warriors, said Tim Kee. Those technical members cannot give their optimum unless they are happy with how they are treated
I am not the type of person who would be comfortable with monies being owed to people. That is not a back burner issue; it is very much a front burner issue for me.
But Tim Kee made it clear that his drive to raise funds for Beenhakkers wages was not related to the money owed to the present staff.
Corporate entities wont give money to pay debts, he said.
The Warriors continue training under the present staff on Monday June 17 from 9.30 am at the Ato Boldon Stadium in Couva.
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The Tim-kerman: TTFA president explains Beenhakker move
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868)
Italian coach Claudio Ranieris penchant for chopping and changing his first team at Chelsea, even when his squad was on a successful run, earned him the sobriquet of The Tinkerman.
Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) president Raymond Tim Kee, who took the helm of the local football body last November, cannot be accused of being afraid to rock the boat or indecisive either.
In December 2012, less than a month into his tenure, Tim Kee controversially inserted then Neal & Massy Caledonia AIA and Guyana national head coach Jamaal Shabazz into the Trinidad and Tobago squad and made him co-head coach alongside former Strike Squad standout Hutson Barber Charles.
And, just three weeks before kick off in the 2013 CONCACAF Gold Cup, Tim Kee sees similarities in his decision to add former Trinidad and Tobago 2006 World Cup coach Leo Beenhakker to the technical staff.
When I asked Jamaal to join Charles at the Caribbean Cup (finals), Tim Kee told Wired868, we had qualified at the lower level but I felt Jamaal could provide assistance at that stage. Jamaal came in and the rest is history.
But now looking at the US and Mexico and Panama and Haiti and these teams who are waiting for us in the Gold Cup, I am not completely comfortable with the belief that Jamaal and Hutson can take the team at that level. Because there is nothing after (the last) 10 games that suggests they could.
Within the aforementioned 10 games Tim Kee referenced was a 2-1 Caribbean Cup group stage triumph over the Dominican Republic that assured the Warriors of its first Gold Cup finals in six years as well as a semi-final penalty shoot-out win over Martinique. In the Caribbean Cup finals, it took a sudden death goal from gifted Cuban attacker Marcel Hernandez to sink Trinidad and Tobago after an error by Warriors custodian Jan-Michael Williams.
Since then, though, the Warriors have not won a match or scored a goal with one draw and five losses from six outings in 2013.
Read more...
(http://www.wired868.com/2013/06/14/the-tim-kerman-ttfa-president-explains-beenhakker-move/)
PRODUCTIONNNNNNNN.....Tim Kee..I like this article..it relly give some insight into Tim Kee....wait ah lil too long but better late than never....
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WHAT IF WE WIN THE GOLD CUP?!! WHAT HAPPENS THEN?!!
PM go declare a national holiday...
Leo go get ah house in Federation Park...
Jack go find some way to take credit for the victory...
Corneal and all the old heads go discredit Leo's coaching tactics...
coache go say 'de white boy' shoulda never start every game...
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The Tim-kerman: TTFA president explains Beenhakker move
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868)
Italian coach Claudio Ranieris penchant for chopping and changing his first team at Chelsea, even when his squad was on a successful run, earned him the sobriquet of The Tinkerman.
Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) president Raymond Tim Kee, who took the helm of the local football body last November, cannot be accused of being afraid to rock the boat or indecisive either.
In December 2012, less than a month into his tenure, Tim Kee controversially inserted then Neal & Massy Caledonia AIA and Guyana national head coach Jamaal Shabazz into the Trinidad and Tobago squad and made him co-head coach alongside former Strike Squad standout Hutson Barber Charles.
And, just three weeks before kick off in the 2013 CONCACAF Gold Cup, Tim Kee sees similarities in his decision to add former Trinidad and Tobago 2006 World Cup coach Leo Beenhakker to the technical staff.
Read more...
(http://www.wired868.com/2013/06/14/the-tim-kerman-ttfa-president-explains-beenhakker-move/)
PRODUCTIONNNNNNNN.....Tim Kee..I like this article..it relly give some insight into Tim Kee....wait ah lil too long but better late than never....
Agreed. I'm really starting to like this Tim Kee. I must say though, that he/they/TTFA seem to really think a lot of Charles. First bringing in Shabazz to help him and now Beenie (for him to learn from). My one concern is that bringing in Beenie is supposed to make the team more marketable to the local corporate entities, but how is that going to benefit them if these entities know that Beenie is only going to be there for 2 mths and the plans for the post Beenie era haven't been revealed yet? I hope they have something in mind/place and I get the feeling they do.
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You all seem to be forgetting that we didnot qualify with Beenhakker alone. Do we have that same set up with the experience we had then?
If he does come and I don't think it will help football in the long term, it will be about saving face in the GC because we no where we are what we are seeing in the other teams! Look at Haiti! But instead of giving our team good support and preparation we wait till the last minute and then trying to save face. Wake up fellas! All we would see is defensive boring football to prevent us from getting too many goals. Is that how we want Trinidad and Tobago to look in our region? Look where we reach?
By the way ah reading Lasana article and I seeing plans to dump Hutson Charles and then they go see what do to with Shabazz and Derek King? What about Anton Corneal? All yuh pack ah glad boys look beneath the surface ! Alvin Corneal son and now Lincoln Phillips son trying to dictate the pace of our future. These guys still trying to run football under their sons underpants. Although they were good players their impact at international level was not as outstanding as the 73 and 89 team . So all they are holding on to is Beenhakker the saviour without recognising that the team who took us to the WC was built on the backs of players of the 73 and 89 team. Wake up fellas and look below the surface.
There is also a Maple connection, long fizzled but still want power and members of that long forgotten team? All past members Tim Kee, Corneal. Lincoln Philliips! I have been observing for the last 50 years football in Trinidad and Tobago , so you can take it with more than a pinch of salt!
We have the ability to solve our problems here! Forget about the GC and start building for the future! Join ranks ! Stop the me and my kin mentality , it is destroying all areas of our society . We have to leave it a better place for our youth.
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You are one of the few people on this forum that makes any sense. Those are my thoughts exactly on Latapy's role to help with the qualification. And the talk on the ground was that Jack was sure of Mexico's support because they owed him a favour so they didnot bring a strong team! So they might as well bring back Jack Warner if they wooing Leo!
What about the Technical Director? He staying ? What is his value to the team?
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Wonder what will happen if someone whispers in Don Leo's ear (or shows him some video) that Peltier is a player to be considered?
Interesting times this.
Fitzinho bredda, while totally respecting you viewpoint, they had their chance at the CFU tournament.
Selfishly; I can't handle no embarrassing performance on a big of a stage as the GC...is only so much people could take man :(
the team looked creditable in early qualifying before Shabazz...........that however brings sharply into question what if any control Charles had once Shabazz was brought in ...........and by extension his strength of character in the grand scheme.............given how easily he allowed himself to be pushed asside by the terrorist
Dan, leh we stick to the football nah. Leh we leave the political thing off this section of the forum. :beermug:
Nothing wrong with that.. We call Leo "the Don" and Shabazz what he really is. I was young when it happened and will never forget. He has no right near anything National!!
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Once d Don leave d name of a good coach when he leaves I will be happy like pappy.
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WHAT IF WE WIN THE GOLD CUP?!! WHAT HAPPENS THEN?!!
PM go declare a national holiday...
Leo go get ah house in Federation Park...
Jack go find some way to take credit for the victory...
Corneal and all the old heads go discredit Leo's coaching tactics...
coache go say 'de white boy' shoulda never start every game...
Idleness of de highest order...you like some of de rest of us is ah rell sctippddd (or how ever de ass coache spell it) man :)
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Mixed feelings...Local football experts knock TTFAs hiring of Beenhakker
By Ian Prescott (T&T Express)
Several former national players and coaches have expressed a high regard for experienced Dutch coach Leo Beenhakker, but also have mixed feelings about his imminent return to the helm of Trinidad & Tobago football.
Beenhakker, who helped T&T qualify for the FIFA World Cup in 2006, is to take charge of the senior national football team for a short two-month stint, in time for their 2013 CONCACAF Gold Cup campaign. The tournament is set for July 8-28 in the United States.
I took this as a business decision, TTFA president Raymond Tim Kee said when announcing the Dutchmans return. Tim Kee explained that at present T&T football simply was not marketable enough to raise revenue. Tim Kee felt a proper good showing at the Gold Cup was one of the first steps in increasing the marketability of T&T football.
But several former national players, including Alvin Corneal, Brian Williams, Clayton Morris and Angus Eve are not sold on Beenhakkers return. They think that in the long run, the solution is to develop local coaches to begin the 2018 World Cup process.
I have a real problem with how the local administration handled this one, Corneal said. It is an utter lack of respect because these two local coaches have worked their butt(s) off with this team.
Read More... (http://www.socawarriors.net/mens-senior-team/senior-team-news/senior-team-news/12557-mixed-feelings-local-football-experts-knock-ttfa-s-hiring-of-beenhakker.html)
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Man crying for local coaches... What have they ever done that makes you want to have a local coach in charge? Is only friend friend thing they like. I almost forgot, they are shitty ass coaches too. The only good local coaches is two foreign born in Fenwick and Connection coach, can't remember his name right now. The rest is shit!! I wonder if they gave Fenwick the wok, what would be the cry from them...
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Man crying for local coaches... What have they ever done that makes you want to have a local coach in charge? Is only friend friend thing they like. I almost forgot, they are shitty ass coaches too. The only good local coaches is two foreign born in Fenwick and Connection coach, can't remember his name right now. The rest is shit!! I wonder if they gave Fenwick the wok, what would be the cry from them...
Ent , cant be because they are good, more likely people afraid of hiring foreigners aka White Man. Backward way of thinking.
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Man crying for local coaches... What have they ever done that makes you want to have a local coach in charge? Is only friend friend thing they like. I almost forgot, they are shitty ass coaches too. The only good local coaches is two foreign born in Fenwick and Connection coach, can't remember his name right now. The rest is shit!! I wonder if they gave Fenwick the wok, what would be the cry from them...
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I wonder what the response would have been if the storyline was "TTFA arranges for local coaches to get a 2 month internship with top international coach"?
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I fully understand why these so-called local gurus watching the quality or lack thereof of players in TnT especially at the "Pro" level would be uncomfortable with Beenhakker being there. We live in this culture of mediocrity; we see it in politics, we see it in education and definitely see it in football and other sports. Local coaches are inadequately developing players and they who are part of that developmental process accept this. To accept otherwise would be self indictment.
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Well well Local players now showing some solidarity! Alvin, Angus eve, Brian Williams and Morris in agreement? Add Gally to that because he had his say first! Even Shabazz sending some mixed messages. Certainly an interesting development. I don't know the reason but is TOTAL DiSResPEcT for your own when you can ask them to work for free and working feverishly to look for sponsors to pay a foreigner for 2 months! I don't care how good he is , the principle is wrong! It is bad industrial practice. Charity begins at home. And what Tim Kee is saying it is a good business decision? So was it bad business decision to hire Shabazz and Charles and King?if these local coaches could break ranks and work together none of this would happen. I hope they
Learning a lesson. There is strength in U NI T Y!
And by the way Triniairman , it was Gally who recruited the now connection coach Stuart Charkes Fevrier as a player from St Lucia to play pro in the 70 or 80s I can't remember , with his team and it is his coaching he has been trying to emulate since!
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Is Football. That's the way it goes. Who vex well what can i say.
2 months look bad though. That's my main gripe
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What de arse I see here
But several former national players, including Alvin Corneal, Brian Williams, Clayton Morris and Angus Eve are not sold on Beenhakkers return. They think that in the long run, the solution is to develop local coaches to begin the 2018 World Cup process.
These fellas want to use the senior national team to develop coaches. Is a joke?
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And by the way Triniairman , it was Gally who recruited the now connection coach Stuart Charkes Fevrier as a player from St Lucia to play pro in the 70 or 80s I can't remember , with his team and it is his coaching he has been trying to emulate since!
This is so wrong, Stuart Charles Fevrier was recruited from Saint Lucia by deceased Earl "EJ" John at 17 years after he played for Saint Lucia's National u-18 team against Fulham FC of Arima. He played for Fulham for a while & then moved to T&T Pro Pioneers through Selby Brown (Manager) & deceased Arthur "Jap" Brown (Coach). Pro Pioneers was a touring professional team comprising mainly of National players. Pro Pioneers was used as the base for Phoenix Professionals which also included National Team foreign based players, they were also a touring team. Gally was Coach/player on a Central/South American tour in the late 70's. After that tour Fevrier moved to ASL, the first full locally based professional team that participated in local competition.
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i havent been paying much attention to our preps for gold cup but i vaguely recall a provisional squad being selected...but with beenie in charge....shouldnt he now have a say in that selection?
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What de arse I see here
But several former national players, including Alvin Corneal, Brian Williams, Clayton Morris and Angus Eve are not sold on Beenhakkers return. They think that in the long run, the solution is to develop local coaches to begin the 2018 World Cup process.
These fellas want to use the senior national team to develop coaches. Is a joke?
Agreed.
Ultimately i feel a local coach should be a main stay for the senior team but frankly and without apology there is no present local coach who is up to the challenge!!
We trinis hate to face the glaring fact.......We just not good enough.......players and coaches. Yes we have a few individual talents but as a team we not good enough and there isnt any coach with the requiste skill, experience and technical know how to bring the best out of the crop we have.
These guys wanna harp bout how they working for free and they've been doing a good job so far.......what good job? We made it to the GC but unconvincingly really. There isnt a single local coach who has taking it upon himself to go further his coaching education outside. There is NOT ONE LOCAL COACH who's hand can be raised to say ........I've had more training in coaching at an international level
For any job; qualification only gets you the interview......you have to be able to sell yourself ..........these guys cant even get the interview sadly enough.
Yes having the "Don" back for 2 months is a quick fix and we know this........ but these local coaches need to get off there collective asses and go back to school. The world has changed......."doing a good job" is no longer a reason to keep a job. Excellence is required.
PS. Im not condoning not being paid for the job they have done so far.........
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Well well Local players now showing some solidarity! Alvin, Angus eve, Brian Williams and Morris in agreement? Add Gally to that because he had his say first! Even Shabazz sending some mixed messages. Certainly an interesting development. I don't know the reason but is TOTAL DiSResPEcT for your own when you can ask them to work for free and working feverishly to look for sponsors to pay a foreigner for 2 months! I don't care how good he is , the principle is wrong! It is bad industrial practice. Charity begins at home. And what Tim Kee is saying it is a good business decision? So was it bad business decision to hire Shabazz and Charles and King?if these local coaches could break ranks and work together none of this would happen. I hope they
Learning a lesson. There is strength in U NI T Y!
And by the way Triniairman , it was Gally who recruited the now connection coach Stuart Charkes Fevrier as a player from St Lucia to play pro in the 70 or 80s I can't remember , with his team and it is his coaching he has been trying to emulate since!
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i havent been paying much attention to our preps for gold cup but i vaguely recall a provisional squad being selected...but with beenie in charge....shouldnt he now have a say in that selection?
The deadline has passed, the squad cannot be altered.
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Well well Local players now showing some solidarity! Alvin, Angus eve, Brian Williams and Morris in agreement? Add Gally to that because he had his say first! Even Shabazz sending some mixed messages. Certainly an interesting development. I don't know the reason but is TOTAL DiSResPEcT for your own when you can ask them to work for free and working feverishly to look for sponsors to pay a foreigner for 2 months! I don't care how good he is , the principle is wrong! It is bad industrial practice. Charity begins at home. And what Tim Kee is saying it is a good business decision? So was it bad business decision to hire Shabazz and Charles and King?if these local coaches could break ranks and work together none of this would happen. I hope they
Learning a lesson. There is strength in U NI T Y!
And by the way Triniairman , it was Gally who recruited the now connection coach Stuart Charkes Fevrier as a player from St Lucia to play pro in the 70 or 80s I can't remember , with his team and it is his coaching he has been trying to emulate since!
so they agree to work for free they were not forced no gun eh get put to they head .... which respectable professional coach will do that ...... well you know what trinitozbone anything for free eh good ... and we seeing that with current results ......
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Free work with shit results
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Newsday reports it's unconfirmed - quotes from Sheldon Phillips - ball is in Beenie's court - nothing is signed yet.
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TTFF: Beenhakker not yet confirmed
T&T Express
Story Created: Jun 14, 2013 at 10:02 PM ECT
Story Updated: Jun 15, 2013 at 5:51 AM ECT
The Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) have said that an agreement is yet to be confirmed with former T&T coach Leo Beenhakker to return to that position for the upcoming CONCACAF Gold Cup. According to a TTFF release yesterday, there continues to be ongoing dialogue with Leo Beenhakker over his possible re-introduction to local football as a member of the T&T technical team.
The TTFA has noted reports in the local media, the release stated, but wishes to state that no deal has been finalised with the Dutchman, who led Trinidad and Tobago to its first ever World Cup Finals in Germany in 2006.
We are still having discussions with Mr Beenhakker. A deal is imminent, but nothing is confirmed at this time and once an agreement has been reached, an official announcement will then be made on the subject at hand, the release quoted TTFA general secretary Sheldon Phillips as saying yesterday.
The members of the current national senior mens team staff, including coaches Jamaal Shabazz, Hutson Charles and manager William Wallace, met with Phillips and President Raymond Tim Kee on Wednesday concerning the matter.
The Soca Warriors continue to train at Ato Boldon Stadium, and a training camp will be scheduled for later this month as the country prepares for its opening Gold Cup encounter against El Salvador on July 8th in New Jersey, USA.
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You all seem to be forgetting that we didnot qualify with Beenhakker alone. Do we have that same set up with the experience we had then?
If he does come and I don't think it will help football in the long term, it will be about saving face in the GC because we no where we are what we are seeing in the other teams! Look at Haiti! But instead of giving our team good support and preparation we wait till the last minute and then trying to save face. Wake up fellas! All we would see is defensive boring football to prevent us from getting too many goals. Is that how we want Trinidad and Tobago to look in our region? Look where we reach?
By the way ah reading Lasana article and I seeing plans to dump Hutson Charles and then they go see what do to with Shabazz and Derek King? What about Anton Corneal? All yuh pack ah glad boys look beneath the surface ! Alvin Corneal son and now Lincoln Phillips son trying to dictate the pace of our future. These guys still trying to run football under their sons underpants. Although they were good players their impact at international level was not as outstanding as the 73 and 89 team . So all they are holding on to is Beenhakker the saviour without recognising that the team who took us to the WC was built on the backs of players of the 73 and 89 team. Wake up fellas and look below the surface.
There is also a Maple connection, long fizzled but still want power and members of that long forgotten team? All past members Tim Kee, Corneal. Lincoln Philliips! I have been observing for the last 50 years football in Trinidad and Tobago , so you can take it with more than a pinch of salt!
We have the ability to solve our problems here! Forget about the GC and start building for the future! Join ranks ! Stop the me and my kin mentality , it is destroying all areas of our society . We have to leave it a better place for our youth.
In the interest of gender-equality, shouldn't that be glad-boys and glad-girls???
And yeah bredda I hear (and respect) all yuh Maple/Corneal and whatever else connection (or conspiracy theories?) but I want my Socawarriors to effing 'represent' we NOW in THIS GC, while I still alive and could feel ah lil sense of pride, like I beseeched before; is that too much to ask :(
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So wait nah, we hotting up we head and fussing but nothing eh sign yet? Stupesssss
I hope the deal gets done sooner rather than later because the GC is right around the corner...
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said once and I'll it again our coaches have no analytical and critical thinking skills..........a most important staple in modern football.........I wonder if could even watch analyze and break down an opponent team, and properly profile each player on dat team to come up with a tactics and plans for games...........game in gam out u would see someting dangerous happenin yuh could see d goal comin for d opposition and nothing does change .............nutten, so why then give these "coaches" ??? preference when they show a complete lack of strategic thinking...............and is years now...........with no change...........
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2 and 2 is not always 4.
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Ah see allyuh learn ah new word in trinbago now, but ah want tuh ask all who callin ppl out they name like "terrorist", like allyuh eh really seeing who terrorizing the planet for the last 500 yrs??
all this terrorist talk allyuh spewing, any body ever stood up and call the crown government ah terrorist organization? for 200 yrs these ppl went all over the globe and take ppl ting, from china to north america, yet still no body not on them, but they on hirun best who made ah mistake when he was 25, and after that he cleaned up his life and became a productive member of society.
allyuh ppl does kill me yes. doh get me wrong though, im no fan of shabbaz, and that's bc of the way he behaved when we was going up against guyana, the indignant way he talked about pfister and how he showed his arse was disgusting to say the least, and that's where i have a problem with him, but not for what he did in 1990, hek i might have done the same if i was there @ the time.
i think traitor would be ah better name for him. ;)
any gov't worth their salt would have suicided them
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Hahaha
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Man crying for local coaches... What have they ever done that makes you want to have a local coach in charge? Is only friend friend thing they like. I almost forgot, they are shitty ass coaches too. The only good local coaches is two foreign born in Fenwick and Connection coach, can't remember his name right now. The rest is shit!! I wonder if they gave Fenwick the wok, what would be the cry from them...
Ent , cant be because they are good, more likely people afraid of hiring foreigners aka White Man. Backward way of thinking.
Man crying for local coaches... What have they ever done that makes you want to have a local coach in charge? Is only friend friend thing they like. I almost forgot, they are shitty ass coaches too. The only good local coaches is two foreign born in Fenwick and Connection coach, can't remember his name right now. The rest is shit!! I wonder if they gave Fenwick the wok, what would be the cry from them...
Man crying for local coaches... What have they ever done that makes you want to have a local coach in charge? Is only friend friend thing they like. I almost forgot, they are shitty ass coaches too. The only good local coaches is two foreign born in Fenwick and Connection coach, can't remember his name right now. The rest is shit!! I wonder if they gave Fenwick the wok, what would be the cry from them...
Ent , cant be because they are good, more likely people afraid of hiring foreigners aka White Man. Backward way of thinking.
Bro, Allyuh have issues with local coaches and allyuh state their short comings. Cool. But this against whitey is real bullshit. Is either allyuh dotish or have identity issues. Go back from 1970, our 2nd participation in the WC and TT had hired Michael Lang from England. Conrad Braithwaithe coached TT to a bronze medal in the Pan Am games in 67. We have hired foreign coaches up we kazoo before and only one has succeeded in breaking the glass celing. All others failed like the local coaches. So where this against whitey bullshit come about.
The local coaches must improve in all departments. Me eh arguing with that. But to say that they wrong in expressing their displeasure for the hiring of a foreign is disengenuous. Them is the one who coaching them youths from standard 1 thru high school. None of them foreign coaches does go thru the bullshit of coaching with old equipment. Yutes without gears. Yutes hungry and malnourish. Local coaches does have to take money out of their own pockets to takes the yutes accross TT to tournaments. Then the TTFF will find money for the foreign coach. On top of that, they will get all the amenities for the foreign coach. Some players use to rebel because they don't have bottled water for players in training.
Me eh have issues with the set up with hiring Beenhaker. This a stop gap measure for this tournament. After the GC, I want to see TTFA plan for local football. Youth football and club football. He and Dexter have to work out something for the improvemt of the league. Dexter's league needs to do something different. I don't know what! But something different has to be done.
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just cool ask the lil girl who lost she mom about how she feel to this very day about losing her mom when shabazz and the gang who as a result of their actions cause many lost of lives ,wtf yuh talikng about , man stop bs about shabazz cleaning up he life , he should be no where a national team , so f off with shabazz ....
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So wait nah, we hotting up we head and fussing but nothing eh sign yet? Stupesssss
I hope the deal gets done sooner rather than later because the GC is right around the corner...
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Almost 1mTT a month for 1pt in the GC. You know how much that kind of money could help youth development in Trinidad?
ALLYUH REL DOTISH...the Gold Cup has no bearing on the future of Trinidad Football and we will never see Trinidad and Tobago win it.
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The man trying to gain sponsorship for the team coache. Or so he says.
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WHAT IF WE WIN THE GOLD CUP?!! WHAT HAPPENS THEN?!!
PM go declare a national holiday...
Leo go get ah house in Federation Park...
Jack go find some way to take credit for the victory...
Corneal and all the old heads go discredit Leo's coaching tactics...
coache go say 'de white boy' shoulda never start every game...
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I wonder what Shabazz & Hutson's hustle level would be, if they were offered or being paid, 1 million TT / month. what bout half a million? Fifty k each a month? As a matter of fact, dem fellas was wokkin for free? really? Well for free, they did dam good.
I go have to stand with de coache/s on dis one because personally, these quick -fixers don't have no scruples. Your range of payment could really be $0.00 to 1milTT / mth, and you look for equal results from both the zero-naire and de millionaire?
So for Hutson, it should be National Pride but for Leo, money will suffice? Like if Hutson can spend pride in de shop? I know there are those who would love to say that if dey aint good, dey aint good. To that I say, how would we know?.. Dem fellas been running on fumes and then you come give another guy a dam premium gas card?
Lastly,What do they do after the GC, look for Shabazz and Hutson again, and tell dem okay, hope allyuh was watching Beenie-man, because dat is how we want allyuh to do it! and then they'll revert to de national pride structure of payment. Zero!
This is not about Beenie laughing all de way to de bank. I have no problems paying top dollar for good help but before we go off and accuse people of not being up to par, maybe we should check and see what their Par is; cause if its zero, then we aint never see dem men perform for real.
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Some ppl bawling how they shame for we football, but by hiring a Beenie Again (any BeenE) and not taking the most difficult route of learning and developing, shows the world, we doh have no shame at all...ok, who we go buy at the sufferance of our own for next WC qualifying...bring BeenE again man, he like we, ent ? If he not around, ah hear, Roy Keane could be hook up by DY for a nominal fee of 40 k US...or we could go with a John Barnes, for a change of colour...
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Alvin Corneal, Angus Eve, Brian Williams and Clayon Morris is a bunch of haters.
All of them had their chance and did nothing positive.
Angus Eve should be de last to talk, he get full support more than the others when he use to coach the Olympic team and shit down heself, he eh just lose yuh know, he get he ass buss !!!!
Shabazz and Charles cannot take this team up a level, like them or not, suppor them or not, they cannot do it.
Beenhakker is here just for short term, let them learn from him and move on.
De local coaches do like to open they mouth and then when they get wood they complaining.
All these men who complaining now was raped by Jack Warner and the TTFF one time or de other and they took it will ease, now they complaining.
If de local coaches dont have de balls to stand up then that is them problem, they to concerns about taking it and protecting they job instead of standing up now they out de door and you hearing all kind of things.
After de Gold Cup I would advise de TTFF to help the local coaches improve from an international aspect, they do limited and will always be secont.
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Sam Brian Williams and Clayton never coach the team.
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Almost 1mTT a month for 1pt in the GC. You know how much that kind of money could help youth development in Trinidad?
ALLYUH REL DOTISH...the Gold Cup has no bearing on the future of Trinidad Football and we will never see Trinidad and Tobago win it.
Yuh near sighted bad fella!
in case yuh don't know, the gold cup is a show case tournament just like the WC, and if we perform well we could get better sponsors on beard, our players could earn better trials, we could also get foreign teams pairing up with some local teams in our domestic league, it's also great exposure for the country.
you sweating ah mingy million when that can't even purchase ah couple of acres of land to build this yute development center. you hear man talking bout six million just to wreck ah fire truck that cost way less and you getting all heated for ah mingy million. like you forgetting is ah 188 million jack scamper wid or what??
this is why i forkin hate trinidad with ah passion! the ppl down there feel they know every thing when they are clueless as fack!! and they always watching small thing especially when a foreigner involved! that is what yuh call penny wise.
we go with an local coaching staff and does bad, then we tend to lose more than a million in perks and sponsorship yuh dope yuh! :yellowcard:
yuh sweating ah penny when he stand to make ah pound in the long run! that's smarts for yuh. :shameonyou:
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Listen allyuh, the president decide to get rid of the coaching staff, the man said he's seen enough and he wants to move on, what so fackin hard tuh understand about that?? now he's using beenhaaker in the role of an interim coach for the upcoming gold cup, i could dig that!
maybe the sponsors said that they are not coming on board until they have a better coach in place, and maybe beenie was all they could musta on such short notice.
as far as i read, timkee said that he was through with the trio and he's moving on, so there's no mo charles and shabbaz ever again in the position of head coach, before or after the gold cup, that's what i gather from timkee, and rightfully so!
they are not top coaches and they should go further themselves in ah better league before they are tasked with such a huge undertaking. the national team should never be an internship for any coach, foreign or local.
we did it with bertille, ferver, alvin and latapy, now we want to do it again with charles and shabbaz??
when will the locals get it in their thick heads, that no one owes no anyone anything! especially where our national team is concerned!!
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Most of you all are making complete sense. Yes T&T have to put money into Development, but let me ask all of you.
Where that money coming from? When last has the Ministry put money into the development of youth in any sport?
I am not talking about some milk & butter money to make people hush their mouth. I talking about a commitment of
lets say 2mil a Year for a 5 yrs or what ever. Tell me when last, Neal & Massey, Adidas, Carib, Fernandez matched the
Ministry Investment in Sport development, for Primary school to College.
So I ask "Where the money coming from" ???
Separate both arguments: One is coaching the National Team the other is Job of the Association with a plan of action designed by Anton (the TD of the Country)
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Just Cool stop talking shit. I normally stay away from these coup conversations because enough has been said about, but Shabazz continues to be a sore spot for good reason. Somebody feed you that pack ah ass about regiment was getting ready to attack the Muslimeen and you buy it. REGARDLESS... you CANNOT preemptively attack the government and claim justification, that is open rebellion against the government and Abu Bakr, Shabazz and all de rest ah dem lucky they didn't get they blasted neck stretch for their acts of treachery. The fact that this man even sniffing taxpayer money is an affront to everything civilized society stands for.
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So wait nah, we hotting up we head and fussing but nothing eh sign yet? Stupesssss
I hope the deal gets done sooner rather than later because the GC is right around the corner...
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Hang on, Beenhakker will sign on the dotted line admin are waiting on a certain commitment from ............... ( put yuh money wey yuh mouth is )
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As usual the TTFF/TTFA expects wine from water in the last minute. Why not let Shabbaz/Charles coach the tournament, assess the outcome then make a decision on whether to bring in anyone else, and if so, give them the freedom they need to choose and assess players independently
Shabazz can't even legally enter the United States
Good point.
Fitzinho, men does get replace all de time.
SH tek Canada to semis of de Gold Cup and get replace immediately after dat tournament by Dale Mitchell. Who after failing, got replaced by de same SH.
Somebody say coaches get hired to get fired. It eh have no "fair" in coaching wuk. It is what it is. And if yuh is a coach and don't know that, yuh in de wrong profession.
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Them two caretakers are failures before the GC start. Things were put in-place ahead of time so why play the waiting game?
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As usual the TTFF/TTFA expects wine from water in the last minute. Why not let Shabbaz/Charles coach the tournament, assess the outcome then make a decision on whether to bring in anyone else, and if so, give them the freedom they need to choose and assess players independently
Shabazz can't even legally enter the United States
Good point.
Fitzinho, men does get replace all de time.
SH tek Canada to semis of de Gold Cup and get replace immediately after dat tournament by Dale Mitchell. Who after failing, got replaced by de same SH.
Somebody say coaches get hired to get fired. It eh have no "fair" in coaching wuk. It is what it is. And if yuh is a coach and don't know that, yuh in de wrong profession.
I'm just trying to be logical about this Coaches being fired thing,do Coaches get fired because they are no good or they are not right for a particular club/team?the reason i'm asking this question is because i notice Coaches getting fired by one club/country and u see another club/country pick them up.
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Good point.
Fitzinho, men does get replace all de time.
SH tek Canada to semis of de Gold Cup and get replace immediately after dat tournament by Dale Mitchell. Who after failing, got replaced by de same SH.
Somebody say coaches get hired to get fired. It eh have no "fair" in coaching wuk. It is what it is. And if yuh is a coach and don't know that, yuh in de wrong profession.
I'm just trying to be logical about this Coaches being fired thing,do Coaches get fired because they are no good or they are not right for a particular club/team?the reason i'm asking this question is because i notice Coaches getting fired by one club/country and u see another club/country pick them up.
I think that's just the nature of the business. No different than when a player get released by one team and another team pick them up.
All sorts of reasons for that: the person might not have suited the system. A surplus of that person skill set at one club but needed at another. Wrong timing. Etc etc etc
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I'm just trying to be logical about this Coaches being fired thing,do Coaches get fired because they are no good or they are not right for a particular club/team?the reason i'm asking this question is because i notice Coaches getting fired by one club/country and u see another club/country pick them up.
Coops, that happens in other sports also. In the US the coaches are recycled from team to team, colleges to colleges. Once you get into that fraternity, you network yourself with the powerbrokers to get the next job after you have been "fired".
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Listen allyuh, the president decide to get rid of the coaching staff, the man said he's seen enough and he wants to move on, what so fackin hard tuh understand about that?? now he's using beenhaaker in the role of an interim coach for the upcoming gold cup, i could dig that!
maybe the sponsors said that they are not coming on board until they have a better coach in place, and maybe beenie was all they could musta on such short notice.
as far as i read, timkee said that he was through with the trio and he's moving on, so there's no mo charles and shabbaz ever again in the position of head coach, before or after the gold cup, that's what i gather from timkee, and rightfully so!
they are not top coaches and they should go further themselves in ah better league before they are tasked with such a huge undertaking. the national team should never be an internship for any coach, foreign or local.
we did it with bertille, ferver, alvin and latapy, now we want to do it again with charles and shabbaz??
when will the locals get it in their thick heads, that no one owes no anyone anything! especially where our national team is concerned!!
:beermug: :beermug: :beermug:
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I backin Haiti fuh de GC...
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Sam Brian Williams and Clayton never coach the team.
They coach the youth team, I remember that.
Brian Williams was de coach of T&T Under 20 in 2006 with players like Carlyle Mitchell, Radanfah Abu Bakr, Khaleem Hyland, Keon Daniel, Atuallah Guerra, Elton John and Matthew Bartholomew.
Clayton Morris coach T&T Futsal Team and T&T under 20 team in 2002 and he was also head coach for T&T game 3 times I think, just filling in, cant remember when.
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Listen allyuh, the president decide to get rid of the coaching staff, the man said he's seen enough and he wants to move on, what so fackin hard tuh understand about that?? now he's using beenhaaker in the role of an interim coach for the upcoming gold cup, i could dig that!
maybe the sponsors said that they are not coming on board until they have a better coach in place, and maybe beenie was all they could musta on such short notice.
as far as i read, timkee said that he was through with the trio and he's moving on, so there's no mo charles and shabbaz ever again in the position of head coach, before or after the gold cup, that's what i gather from timkee, and rightfully so!
they are not top coaches and they should go further themselves in ah better league before they are tasked with such a huge undertaking. the national team should never be an internship for any coach, foreign or local.
we did it with bertille, ferver, alvin and latapy, now we want to do it again with charles and shabbaz??
when will the locals get it in their thick heads, that no one owes no anyone anything! especially where our national team is concerned!!
Good post, its about time.
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Sam Brian Williams and Clayton never coach the team.
They coach the youth team, I remember that.
Brian Williams was de coach of T&T Under 20 in 2006 with players like Carlyle Mitchell, Radanfah Abu Bakr, Khaleem Hyland, Keon Daniel, Atuallah Guerra, Elton John and Matthew Bartholomew.
Clayton Morris coach T&T Futsal Team and T&T under 20 team in 2002 and he was also head coach for T&T game 3 times I think, just filling in, cant remember when.
Sam you real, real picky. When they first started the Caribbean cup, TT lost a home game to French Guyana. They hired local coach Jimmy Blanc to coach the side in Cayenne for the return leg. TT won the game and they did not extend Jimmy's tenure for the tournament. So what does that say. Not because you win they will keep you.
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Well well Local players now showing some solidarity! Alvin, Angus eve, Brian Williams and Morris in agreement? Add Gally to that because he had his say first! Even Shabazz sending some mixed messages. Certainly an interesting development. I don't know the reason but is TOTAL DiSResPEcT for your own when you can ask them to work for free and working feverishly to look for sponsors to pay a foreigner for 2 months! I don't care how good he is , the principle is wrong! It is bad industrial practice. Charity begins at home. And what Tim Kee is saying it is a good business decision? So was it bad business decision to hire Shabazz and Charles and King?if these local coaches could break ranks and work together none of this would happen. I hope they
Learning a lesson. There is strength in U NI T Y!
And by the way Triniairman , it was Gally who recruited the now connection coach Stuart Charkes Fevrier as a player from St Lucia to play pro in the 70 or 80s I can't remember , with his team and it is his coaching he has been trying to emulate since!
I fully understand why these so-called local gurus watching the quality or lack thereof of players in TnT especially at the "Pro" level would be uncomfortable with Beenhakker being there. We live in this culture of mediocrity; we see it in politics, we see it in education and definitely see it in football and other sports. Local coaches are inadequately developing players and they who are part of that developmental process accept this. To accept otherwise would be self indictment.
Amen! Amen! Amen! We seem to always satisfied to settle for the ordinary! It is engraved in our DNA
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Sam Brian Williams and Clayton never coach the team.
They coach the youth team, I remember that.
Brian Williams was de coach of T&T Under 20 in 2006 with players like Carlyle Mitchell, Radanfah Abu Bakr, Khaleem Hyland, Keon Daniel, Atuallah Guerra, Elton John and Matthew Bartholomew.
Clayton Morris coach T&T Futsal Team and T&T under 20 team in 2002 and he was also head coach for T&T game 3 times I think, just filling in, cant remember when.
Sam you real, real picky. When they first started the Caribbean cup, TT lost a home game to French Guyana. They hired local coach Jimmy Blanc to coach the side in Cayenne for the return leg. TT won the game and they did not extend Jimmy's tenure for the tournament. So what does that say. Not because you win they will keep you.
Clayton Morris coached the team after Renee Simoes left. He was in charge for the Sugar Bowl Tournament in St kitts back in 2002.
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So wait nah, we hotting up we head and fussing but nothing eh sign yet? Stupesssss
I hope the deal gets done sooner rather than later because the GC is right around the corner...
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Hang on, Beenhakker will sign on the dotted line admin are waiting on a certain commitment from ............... ( put yuh money wey yuh mouth is )
WOW! Names in the entwine twisted brew of things:
Beenhakker, Hart, Piotr Nowak & Gally
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If he coming back, I hope he brings a young coaching staff with him. Maybe Koeman or Rijkard.
Deeks Koeman & Rjkaard past the assistant stage. In their own right they are head coaches
I love this forum.
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If he coming back, I hope he brings a young coaching staff with him. Maybe Koeman or Rijkard.
Deeks Koeman & Rjkaard past the assistant stage. In their own right they are head coaches
I love this forum.
CO-SIGNNNNNN D BEST IN D WORLD
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Dear TTFA: David Nakhids scathing open letter on coaching changes.
By Lasana Liburd (wired868.com).
Former Trinidad and Tobago national football team captain and Caribbean MVP, David Nakhid, writes an open letter to TTFA/TTFF personnel past and present, Everald Gally Cummings, Anton Corneal, Raymond Tim Kee and Sheldon Phillip.
Gentlemen,
Full disclosure: There is only one member of the former TTFF regime whose hand I used to shake without immediately pouring myself a generous helping of sanitizer or heading off, if the situation allowed it, to the washroom sink. That man was Raymond Tim Kee.
As for the other actors or by-standers in the now sadly familiar scenario, I consider them genuine colleagues with Anton Corneal being a childhood friend.
Turned off by public apathy, I had sworn that never again would I touch certain matters pertaining to football in Trinidad and Tobago. But when you, Raymond, produced your best Jack Warner impression by declaring that you could not pay the outstanding salaries of the ones who have already served their tenure with monies sourced from the private sector, I did a double take.
And when you added insult to injury by stating that, upon their arrival, you propose to fund the newly appointed coaches salaries from the same source, I told myself, like the calypsonians, that yuh trying to force mih hand and so ah put on mih guns again.
Lets be clear from the start, Raymond, Sheldon and Anton: as president, general secretary and technical director respectively, I do not dispute that, together, you have the authority to hire and fire whomever you want whenever you want, in the full knowledge that John Public will judge you on the basis of your decisions and either laud or criticize you.
You do not, however, have the right to be duplicitous in your behaviour and your utterances towards the staff who served under you. In other words, before you cavalierly embrace the new coaches you deem it necessary to hire at this point, you have a damned responsibility to pay the ones who have already served their money.
I am, of course, taking you at your word, Raymond, and assuming that you genuinely want to turn a new leaf and not continue the crooked and corrupt legacy of your self-serving predecessors. Why would you want to humiliate Hutson (Charles) and Jamal (Shabazz) by requiring them to be interviewed for staff jobs?
If either one agrees to this, then, in my opinion, he deserves to be fired!
But did you, Sheldon, really think this one through? If Mr Beenhakker, then why not Gally (Everald Cummings)? Let me explain.
As coaches, both men are way, way past their sell-by dates and their only current claim to fame is popularity with the T&T footballing public; one can understand why. Like Moses, one of them took us close to the mountain top and showed us a glimpse of what our potential could bring. Like Joshua, the other led us all the way to the Promise Land but there was not any milk and honey there, not in footballing terms anyway.
That success, Sheldon, was an isolated event in Joshuas last 20 years; since then, his footballing ideasor lack of themhave earned him the distinction of being declared persona non grata in several countries and clubs. The truth is that the game has moved well past Don Leo and left him standing.
As a motivator, he is easily the best I have seen. That is the main reason why I recommended him to (former national team manager) Richard Brathwaite and Jack Warner since 1994. But there was no shortage of footballing talent on the national scene then; sadly, it is no longer that way.
So that to hire the Don at a time when a serious effort is needed in youth development is, well, almost laughable; you might just as well go with the far less expensive Gally.
Let me then quickly remind you, Sheldon, that, despite his many, oft-repeated protestations to the contrary, Gally was mainly responsible for T&Ts not getting to Italy. He was the coach and that, as we say in football, is the end line. He, however, continues to talk as if, under his tenure, a new type of football was invented, not to mention his outlandish boast about fostering national unity.
Its hard to say which of these two is more laughable.
Gally, you were one of my earliest footballing heroes. Unfortunately for us both, I grew up and came to get first-hand experience of your coaching and your decisions as a coach. Let me say without rancour and with profound sadness, you simply are not a national team coach at any level.
I must here concede that, although Warner did it for all the wrong reasons, his decision to remove you as national coach and then keep you sidelined was probably the only good footballing decision made by the then TTFA Secretary.
Because, Gally, missing out on a World Cup even if by a single point will never be success, no matter how you have embellished the story as the years rolled on. Heres a detail that you have conveniently omitted which I think the country needs to be reminded of: with the help of Warner and a few others, you sidelined a player whose only sin was to question your tactics, tactics which were, as November 19 amply demonstrated, eminently questionable.
While you and Warner told all and sundry what a bad playerand personI was, at the peak of my career in Europe, I was blacklisted nationally for all of five years. The evidence of my career as a national team player from the mid-nineties made you eat your words, so tell me, on what basis have you been arguing for your return?
Finally, Sheldon, let me advise you to avoid populist decisions that lack vision. Consult. You and I both know that you have access to a veritable footballing think-tank. You know of whom I speak, the (Iain) Bains, the (Alvin) Hendersons, the (Ken) Butchers et al.
Did you discuss these latest appointments with them or did you just speak to Anton and dad (Lincoln Tiger Phillips)? I repeat, the decision was yours to make but what about the context? What about, for instance, the emphasis that your dad (one of my football mentors) placed on coaching development while he served (albeit with tied hands) as technical director? Has that gone out the window?
Now to end with you, Anton. What is your position on the appointment of the two new coaches? Stop hiding behind the other two and tell us: Were you part of that decision-making disaster to have dual coaches in Jamaal and Hutson? And do you think that you have a lot to learn from the Dutchman? You do?
Well, brother, I have news for you. If, after all these years and now as technical director, you have not formed your own coaching identity and your own philosophy about this beautiful game is not yet clear inside your head and in your soul, something is wrong.
If you dont yet feel you have the strength to tell whomever that this is not the right way forward in our football development, then something may be wrong with me.
But, truth be told, I think Im okay.
Your brother in football,
David.
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Wow! Talk about coming out of the woodwork!
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Well nobody can accuse Nakhid of pulling his punches.
VB
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Where he come from? Stueps
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I want some ah dem guns Nakhid have so ah could join een.
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Nakhid have axe to grind... at least where Gally is concerned.
Heres a detail that you have conveniently omitted which I think the country needs to be reminded of: with the help of Warner and a few others, you sidelined a player whose only sin was to question your tactics, tactics which were, as November 19 amply demonstrated, eminently questionable.
ANY coach would have "sidelined" any player who questions his tactics. The criticism of the moves ring hollow and the criticism of Beenhakker's age seems particularly devoid of logic. He's not being hired to coach the national team beyond the Gold Cup. Nakhid is either unaware of the details, or they remain lost on him.
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mr nakhid should come back and coach and take part in the bachhanal, since his riding partners are men he can shake hands with :D
asylumseeker, what you think about this? :o
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If I remember correctly , didnot this same Nakhid get himself in trouble in the Middle east with his same bad arse attitude and rude behavior and the government had to send an official to rescue him from jail? Personally I believe he s missing a screw and has some attitude problems . He was not all that skillful either and was dispensable. Rude and undisciplined and I don't believe any coach will stand for that.
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Cummings should have forgotten his professionalism for the match against USA in 1989 and played Nakhid,we would have then qualified for 1990 in Italy.Nakhid may not have been skillful like some of the players but his game would have been more of a threat to the USA than some of our players who wanted to dance their way through the USA defence.They were using 3 and sometimes 4 extra touches,I was just amazed that Cummings could not change those tactics in the second half and bring on Nakhid,Cummings was sacked after that and rightly so.
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Nakhid sound as bitter as Gally. Every body bitter. They cah eat ah food too so everybody vex. Amazing how everybody knows the answer to all our problems. Where Nakhid suddenly awake from? Where was his voice before?
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Cummings should have forgotten his professionalism for the match against USA in 1989 and played Nakhid,we would have then qualified for 1990 in Italy.Nakhid may not have been skillful like some of the players but his game would have been more of a threat to the USA than some of our players who wanted to dance their way through the USA defence.They were using 3 and sometimes 4 extra touches,I was just amazed that Cummings could not change those tactics in the second half and bring on Nakhid,Cummings was sacked after that and rightly so.
how could he bring on nakhid in the 2nd half when he wasnt on the squad?
anyway, while nakhid deserved to be on the strike squad based on talent and experience, it is obvious he wasnt a teamplayer so gally had valid reasons for ignoring him. that being said Gally made mistakes as a coach and the reasons behind them were not as strong as his reason for ignoring nakhid.
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Lasana, time to get some new people to interview, you keep digging up de same ole creole mentality people who hate te TTFF in good and bad.
Nakhid is a traitor for Bahrain he should be de last to talk.
No wonder Gally ban he ass from de T&T team.
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When you guys realise that all Lasana writes about is hate or negative stuff then you will see what he is really about.
Never nothing positive and this have nothing to do with Jack.
But nothing is never good with this guy.
All this for hits.
Nakhid sold his soul for peanuts a long time ago.
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Nakhid u have more issues than d issues live. If yuh did just agree to play on d shell squad back in 89 Gally would have seen yuh and u would have made d strike squad. However, because u were playing 4 Liverpool and in demand by Everton and played in the FA Final that year u felt that u should have made d squad.
OOPS my bad is K.S.V. Waregem in the Belguian League the best league in the world at the time.
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Granted Nahkid might have a lil personal thing with Gally (and rightly so) I glad he write this letter. If only to remind people about Gally when he want to open he mouth and cry bout being blacklisted, if he was more professional back then who knows how far he woulda reach (or taken us) as a coach??
When yuh get call for a Nashy spot? Be happy and hush yuh cyat and take whatever de coach (no matter how jokey/senseless/unprofessional) dishes out...see Lester Peltier!!
Also if yuh going all out on de field and playing like the pro you are, and turn around and question de coach, how does that make you not a team player??
I wonder if Gally does study what if he had used Nakhid back then?
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Cummings decided to leave Nakhid out because he knew the line-up he had was capable of beating anybody in Central America at the time,i'll bet if TTs team were not so strong he would have played Nakhid regardless of the dicipline problems.Cummings should have played DN and when we qualified then teach him a lesson by not selecting him for Italy,even the Americans knew that they had very little or no chance,if we had a better coach we would have qualified,TT just wanted to walk the ball into the net.Cummings had a team that could be easily be described as the best ever TT football team and he could not get us anywhere,he wasn't what people like to think he was.
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Head coach is a merry-go-round position. Nobody should be surprised that a change was made, but damn yuh can't not pay them. Talk about unprofessional.
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Man who sell out and try to keep we out of WC 2006 should not be spewing platitudes of injustice. At the thought that just maybe we may be on the right track man want to see we pull backwards.
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Where he come from? Stueps
Nakhid have every right to say this. We would never come out of the doldrums with the same mentality over and over
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I reading some inconsistencies in some of these posts. Most people saying they happy that Stephan Hart got the job. Yet they agreeing with Nakhid. If that is the case, then TTFA should not have had Hart and Beenie Man. I have no issue with David voicing his opinion. The TTFA work is now beginning. Granted that they moving too slow for most of us. They have to get the NT ready for the GC, and some of the moves maybe short term for this tournament. Let us see what they presnt in the near future as to their long term plans. Not only for the senior team, but for the women teams also. Where they got the money for Hart and Beenie is a mystery to me. And not paying Shabazz and Charles on time is a traversty after what took place with the WC team. I would like to get some answers on the TTFA latest moves.
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mr nakhid should come back and coach and take part in the bachhanal, since his riding partners are men he can shake hands with :D
asylumseeker, what you think about this? :o
Nakhid is bacchanal........why is Lasana interviewing someone he knows try to sell us out against Bahrain.
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F00ck Nakid and Shabazz.
Hart and Beenhakker all de way, who vex loss.
But Tim, pay de fellas though, do something different to de other, move professional.
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mr nakhid should come back and coach and take part in the bachhanal, since his riding partners are men he can shake hands with :D
asylumseeker, what you think about this? :o
Nakhid is bacchanal........why is Lasana interviewing someone he knows try to sell us out against Bahrain.
yeah nakhid could be the head director of footballing technicalities. :D But in all seriousness from the board early days we know that nakhid is a fella that split the board in two (those who like and dislike). Lasana have to fall in the like category b/c he (Nakhid) is one of the few people who doh hold water in he mouth when it come to T&T football (in the early days even Gally mouth hold plenty water till he realize that jack blacklist him :) ).
A general endorsement of timKey by Nakhid almost lead me to have hope in Raymond. If he sort out the Shabbaz and Barber scene like he said he would, then for no me there is no reason left to not throw my support behind the new TTFA president and actually hope for abrighter future.
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mr nakhid should come back and coach and take part in the bachhanal, since his riding partners are men he can shake hands with :D
asylumseeker, what you think about this? :o
I think it is vintage Nakhid. :)
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Turned off by public apathy, I had sworn that never again would I touch certain matters pertaining to football in Trinidad and Tobago. But when you, Raymond, produced your best Jack Warner impression by declaring that you could not pay the outstanding salaries of the ones who have already served their tenure with monies sourced from the private sector, I did a double take.
... Perhaps there will be an about-face with respect to politics also. For those who like to shoot the messenger ...
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He spend too much time bad talking Gally. Made the rest of his points lose their relevance.
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dat article belong in "Crab In Barrel" magazine. nahkid should stick to de bahrain football scene.
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F00ck Nakid and Shabazz.
Hart and Beenhakker all de way, who vex loss.
But Tim, pay de fellas though, do something different to de other, move professional.
:applause:
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Nakhid boy, my T&T footballer. We miss the boat with this fella. Closest player to his technical ability is Hyland but not as cerebral. Nakhid is to T&T what Makalele was to RM on his way out in terms of appreciation.
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Shaka backs Beenhakkers return.
T&T Express Reports.
Former National captain and goalkeeper Shaka Hislop is all in support of the return of Dutchman Leo Beenhakker to the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) set up.
Beenhakker has been appointed Director of Football for a six-month period in the first instance and Hislop, now an ESPN analyst, covering an assessing some the worlds best managers, teams and players, said he welcomes Beenhakker back to Trinidad and Tobago with opened arms.
Im a huge Leo Beenhaker fan. I maintain hes the best coach, bar none, that Ive worked under. I welcome having him back, in any capacity, Hislop told TTFA media.
Hislop wants Beenhakker to play an integral part in developing the team for the 2018 World Cup qualifying campaign, and essentially the overall development of all national teams, which is exactly what the TTFA has in mind with his appointment, despite the fact that a six-month deal has been put on the table initially.
As much as it immediately precedes the Gold Cup, I dont think that is or should be our focus as to the direction our football is heading. Our focus should always be consistently qualifying for World Cups, and at the very worst competing, really competing, in the final stages of World Cup qualifying.
I understand, Hislop continued, why some coaches wouldnt support the move. The underlying issue really is the disconnect between the TTFA and the Ministry of Sport. With a clearer understanding of respective roles and responsibilities for both the Association and the Ministry, and clearer expectations for coaches, we wouldnt be having this discussion.
Hislop stands by Tim Kees decision making regarding the introduction of Beenhakker and new head coach Stephen Hart. Hislop said TTFA president Raymond Tim Kee could not be faulted for his decision making and believes it was all genuine.
I truly sympathise with the positions of Charles and Shabazz, I really do. They gave for our countrys football in a manner that not many else would have done, especially so given the uncertain circumstance around our football for far too long.
But similarly, the TTFA, through its president Mr Tim Kee, will have to make unpopular decisions from time to time. As long as those decisions are made genuinely in the best interest of the game, I wont criticise. And everything Ive seen and experienced first-hand from Mr Tim Kee tells me he acts genuinely, Hislop stated.
Hislop added that he didnt know a great deal about Hart but wished him the very best in his tenure as head coach with the Senior National Mens Team.
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When you guys realise that all Lasana writes about is hate or negative stuff then you will see what he is really about.
Never nothing positive and this have nothing to do with Jack.
But nothing is never good with this guy.
All this for hits.
Nakhid sold his soul for peanuts a long time ago.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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When you guys realise that all Lasana writes about is hate or negative stuff then you will see what he is really about.
Never nothing positive and this have nothing to do with Jack.
But nothing is never good with this guy.
All this for hits.
Nakhid sold his soul for peanuts a long time ago.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Coops he didn"t want u 2 coach him in d Shell Squad in 89.
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He spend too much time bad talking Gally. Made the rest of his points lose their relevance.
He toating all them yes give it up a coach have a right to select who he wants.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9GMakXOslk
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No Beenhakker and unpaid coaches; but TTFA coos about successes
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868)
Former World Cup 2006 coach and present director of football Leo Beenhakker will not take up active duty with the Soca Warriors until all arrears to the Trinidad and Tobago national senior teams coaching staff are paid.
Sheldon Phillips, the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) general secretary, admitted yesterday that the local football bodys financial problems has affected the operations of its director of football, who is a former Real Madrid and Netherlands international coach.
A month ago, when Wired868 initially asked whether Beenhakker had taken a stance on behalf of the local coaches, Phillips said the Dutchman was only absent from the OSN Cup because he had to attend a funeral.
Yesterday, Phillips insisted his previous claim about the funeral was true but he also conceded that there was more to Beenhakkers absence.
His position is until the coaches arrears situation is sorted, it will be difficult for him philosophically to come join us, Phillips told Wired868. A good chunk of those arrears will be taken care of this week but there is still a good bit that we have to work on. It is something we want to take care of sooner rather than later because it affects so many areas.
On Tuesday 15 October, Trinidad and Tobago will play its seventh friendly and 11th international fixture of 2013 when the Soca Warriors host New Zealand from 7.15 pm at the Hasely Crawford Stadium in Port of Spain.
The quality of the opponents, more than the quantity of outings, suggests that the Warriors are back in business for the first time since Francisco Maturana said adios and the then TTFF became distracted by the political ambitions and subsequent disgraceful exit of former special advisor, Jack Warner.
And, last Thursday, TTFA president Raymond Tim Kee gleefully rubbed his own back for the forward steps at a press conference in the Hasely Crawford Stadiums VIP Lounge.
What we have achieved so far is a little more than even I anticipated, said Tim Kee. I dont want to hazard making comparisons But, on this side, it looks quite good.
Tim Kee was elected unopposed on 11 November 2012 to replace interim president Lennox Watson who, in turn, had filled the void left by Oliver Camps. (Camps resignation was handed in after FIFA opened investigations into his conduct during the Mohamed Bin Hammam bribery scandal that spelt doom for Warners career with the global body).
Tim Kee stated his priorities were to conduct an immediate and thorough forensic audit of the TTFF, change the constitution, find corporate sponsors for the Warriors and repair the relationship with the Sport Ministry.
Wired868 asked which of these goals he had completed.
The TTFA president retorted that the audit was too expensive to conduct and he decided to rely instead on whatever investigative work CONCACAF did, the constitution was re-done but not vetted and the body was on the cusp of signing new corporate sponsors.
The glass, according to Tim Kee, was half-full.
Phillips disagreed with the notion that Tim Kee had been too hastyif not misleadingto declare his first year to be a success without quite accomplishing any of his stated tasks.
We have had success with several different progresses that we have made, Phillips told Wired868. Have we reached a level of success that we are satisfied with? No
Your definition of success is different to most people. Success is a series of progresses It takes time but we are trying our best. We cannot let perfect be the enemy of the good.
Phillips listed 30 items that he considered TTFA accomplishments, which included the Joma clothing deal, new TTFA logo and rebranding, the hiring of Stephen Hart, an improved relationship with the government and even the Heart of a Warrior foundation.
Tim Kee was especially glowing about the TTFAs relationship with the Ministry of Sport on Thursday. The football body will now be housed at the Hasely Crawford Stadium, which will save around $40,000 per month in rental fees.
Our relationship with the Ministry of Sport is overwhelming successful, said Tim Kee, who is contesting an alderman position for the PNM on the Port of Spain City Corporation.
At the other end of the room sat assistant senior team coach and former Strike Squad star Hutson Charles, who has not received a salary in 18 months.
Charles, like the rest of the coaching staff, is still owed match fees and stipends from Trinidad and Tobagos Gold Cup quarterfinal match against Mexico and the OSN Cup in Saudi Arabia. The players are also owed promised bonuses from the Gold Cup.
National senior team head coach Stephen Hart has previously also shared his discomfort with the Warriors present financial situation.
Tim Kee said that the Ministry of Sport had promised to fulfil those debts. So how could he declare the relationship to be excellent when his employees still had not been paid?
The football president bristled at the suggestion that he was responsible for any discomfort experienced by his coaches. He said there was no money when he took over the post and, arguably ungraciously, pointed out that many of the coaches had other sources of income and, in his opinion, were not reliant solely on salaries from their national team duties.
You have to gauge me on things on which I have control, said Tim Kee.
Phillips agreed with his president.
It is not a case of people dragging their feet, said the TTFA general secretary. We are addressing the situation that we met while at the same time trying to carry forward the organisation We are in discussion with the Ministry of Sport to address their arrears in the new fiscal year; the progress is being made.
Context has to be fair. You have to look at what the situation was before. Once you do that in a reasonable and objective manner, you have to take your hat off for what Raymond was able to do in a short space of time.
Of course, Tim Kee and Phillips did get the 2006 World Cup bonus scandal out of the High Court. In May, the TTFA agreed a settlement with 13 World Cup players, which halted court proceedings.
The second payment to the players was due last month but the TTFA missed the deadline. There is a clause in the agreement that can send the dispute back to court if the football body does not keep its side of the bargain but both sides continue to operate on good faith, for now.
For all the bravado of Tim Kee and Phillips and although neither would agree, it seems that much of their claims of success depend on the goodwill of the observer.
Tim Kees star is certainly on the rise. The local insurance executive was recently appointed to the FIFA Futsal committee and is set to be placed on the Associations committee too.
And the Warriors are also progressing well under Harts stewardship.
Tim Kee praised the players and staff for their showing at the OSN Cup, where they finished third in a four-team tournament played in harsh climate and with the usual administrative issues.
To come back from 3-0 down (against the UAE) showed heart, resilience and guts which I didnt think this team had (prior to the present set-up), said Tim Kee.
But has the football presidents own performance matched that of his football teams?
His much vaunted director of football, Beenhakker, is refusing to show up until Tim Kee and Phillips put some hard currency in the bank accounts of the local coaches.
For some people, sweet words and wonderful intentions are not enough.
IOU
(Technical staff members owed by the TTFA over the past two years)
Senior team: Hutson Charles (assistant coach), Derek King (assistant coach), Jamaal Shabazz (former co-head coach), David Muhammad (manager), William Wallace (manager), Peter Rampersad (assistant manager), Dave Isaac (physiotherapist), Jefferson George (goalkeeping coach), Michael Williams (equipment manager), Terrance Babwah (team doctor), Shaun Fuentes (media officer/video/IT analyst).
Under-23 team: Angus Eve (head coach), Derek King (assistant coach), William Wallace (manager), Brian James (goalkeeping coach), Michael Williams (equipment manager), Israel Dowlatt (team doctor), Earl Joseph (physiotherapist).
Under-20 team: Ross Russell (head coach), Reynold Carrington (assistant coach), William Wallace (manager), Devin Elcock (equipment manager), Michael Taylor (physiotherapist).
Under-17 team: Shawn Cooper (head coach), Terrance Marcelle (assistant coach), Leonson Lewis (assistant coach), Ross Russell (goalkeeping coach), Christopher Gouveia (manager), Michael Taylor (physiotherapist), Devin Elcock (equipment manager).
TTFA Technical director Anton Corneal.
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Laudable yet emabarrasing, ah foreign man hadda stiffen he spine and take ah stand for locals.
ah like how liburd doh softball none ah he question
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Laudable yet emabarrasing, ah foreign man hadda stiffen he spine and take ah stand for locals.
ah like how liburd doh softball none ah he question
It is always the case and a issue I have with local coaches and players. They expect foreigners to fight for them because they are scared to say something and then in return they turn around and bad talk the foreigners when all should be working together.
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He sucked the life out of our game and even though he no longer rules over our game,its as if he never left
This is the result of one duppy running things,
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Some ppl like to talk,when we say locals don't stand up or talk is unfair to the locals.What's happening is that no one cares what locals say or have no respect for them.
If any of these guys write an article or open their mouths is like they cuss somebody,they are criticise and degraded to the worst,Corneal,Vidale,Gally etc etc well don't talk about my dear friend Shabazz who is always standing up for himself,Coaches and players,this guy can't say anything because he is a Taliban etc
This is something i spoke about some time ago and got in hot water on the site for local Coaches and players hands are tied,they have no support and nothing to stand on,they are at a stage of no sir yes sir they can't bargin for anything what they are given they have to accept.
I find Sancho and his gang since they say they have set a precedent should step into thing like this but no,i'll stop here Thanks Benie.
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Cooper be careful who you defend, it could turn out to be embarrassing
No pay to many staff. This happening since Jack was in charge, ask Latas,
Then came Harford & Groden. reported that they got monies from the ministry & paid self first.
Now Tim Kee & Phillips inherit a pit, with a long line waiting to be paid.
Choice: Shut down all international football. File for Bankruptcy
Tell Jack, UNC, Calder Hart, Ish all of them they will be pardoned if they give 20 million a piece to TTFA.
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Cooper be careful who you defend, it could turn out to be embarrassing
No pay to many staff. This happening since Jack was in charge, ask Latas,
Then came Harford & Groden. reported that they got monies from the ministry & paid self first.
Now Tim Kee & Phillips inherit a pit, with a long line waiting to be paid.
Choice: Shut down all international football. File for Bankruptcy
Tell Jack, UNC, Calder Hart, Ish all of them they will be pardoned if they give 20 million a piece to TTFA.
When the 06 Warriors wanted their didn't we have those same problems,obstacles and setbacks,why should it be any different now,they found the money,i thought they said they set a precedent.
When will we move on from those dark days, stop looking back at what happened and lets see how things can be made better.
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Some ppl like to talk,when we say locals don't stand up or talk is unfair to the locals.What's happening is that no one cares what locals say or have no respect for them.
If any of these guys write an article or open their mouths is like they cuss somebody,they are criticise and degraded to the worst,Corneal,Vidale,Gally etc etc well don't talk about my dear friend Shabazz who is always standing up for himself,Coaches and players,this guy can't say anything because he is a Taliban etc
This is something i spoke about some time ago and got in hot water on the site for local Coaches and players hands are tied,they have no support and nothing to stand on,they are at a stage of no sir yes sir they can't bargin for anything what they are given they have to accept.
I find Sancho and his gang since they say they have set a precedent should step into thing like this but no,i'll stop here Thanks Benie.
Good job Mr Coops.
All the time Sancho, Hislop and Kelvin Jack had big mouths, now they get their money and you cant hear them no more. Players Union gone.
Is every man for themselves. This is why Jack called them out.
At Least Sancho trying something with a club in T&T but the others, forget it.
The reason why no one takes on locals is, they are to stagnant, they know it all and they cant orgainse anything properly.
Stephen Hart is born and bread in T&T and gets respected because he can do the above better. And I am sure Dennis Lawrence or Dwight Yorke will get the same respect if they return.
For example, no one will take Jamal Shabazz seriously because he has had his chance and failed. Same can be said for Angus Eve, Michael McComie and Ross Russell.
The TTFF give these guys all the tools to do their job and they failed. Shabazz had the women team for over 10 years and was worthless now Marlon Charles is doing so well with the same support or ever less.
The locals have to prove their worth not sit and reminisce about Jack Warner and Warren Archibald.
Look at Gally Cummings for example, he is still hung up.
Look at Angus Eve walking in the same footsteps and he was given a chance, 3 years with the T&T youth team and was given all the games to prepare and nothing to show just hate.
The local guys get to personal and take things to personal.
A couple years ago Joe Public and to a lesser extent W Connection did so well at the CCL level, now Caledonia is the whipping boys for 2 years running yet Shabazz is saying the T&T league is poor and we have to play catch up.
The locals love to dictate, for example, Shabazz will forever be Caledonia coach don't matter what happen. Stuart Charles also, how is that?
You cannot have the same people there and expect different.
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Pay them. zzz
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With what? The problem is that Jack Warner's corruption rotted the internal institutions that made all the normal day-to-day functionings go smoothly (ish). His theft has left the FA bankrupt, and worse is taht the interest just keeps accumulating while they're expected to fulfil Trinidad and Tobago's international obligations, never mind the domestic ones.
Really it can only be solved with a massive government cash injection to clear the current debts and start rebuilding its reputation - that's not to say that should happen. They need to dismantle it and erect the right guidelines and institutions to prevent any one individuals from sinking the ship. The executive should be absolutely separated from the finances - no free cheques. Financial spending should be procedural with tight-accounts - any office admin with a decade of experience could fulfil this role especially with supervisory oversight. There should be consistent money flows on both sides - government funding should be consistent and committed, sponsors should be found to supplement and eventually overtake the input. Clubs and players should also pay small dues to the FA in order to have a secure section of the budget to cover the essentials. Coaches shouldn't be paid more than can be afforded - Hart is good but I imagine he costs more than local alternatives would. Given the money situation we shouldn't have foreign managing directors or directors of football - there's a complete lack of realism in their employment.
Without financial security there's no future for the FA - youth teams not being able to attend sports events is the tip of the ice berg - everyone remember the national team in Africa (can't remember which one for the life of me) that basically went on strike because their FA wasn't paying them what they'd promised? To be honest the Centre of Excellence should be legally seized from Jack Warner pending corruption charges - it's incredulous that the infrastructure is not owned by the FA itself. Once the debts are cleared the FA need to have the investments to secure its own future - possibly negotiating the ownership of a key footballing stadium for personal use (rather than renting off the government) in cup finals and key matches in order to have some supplementary income.
Part of the problem is a lack of coordination between hte players as well - there should be a fully incorporated and self-sustaining (through player dues) Trinibagonian Players (and maybe staff) Association in order to fight the players' rights. Being able to maintain a single lawyer would be a massive improvement to the welfare of the players, with a legal threat against clubs and the national team when payments aren't due - often players are left the last people to receive payment in the event of bankruptcy abroad.
Thoughts?
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People does blame Jack but who tell the TTFA to tolerate him and sit there silently.
Anil Roberts try a Jack with Buxo Potts in the TTBBC.
Immediately some members of the executive questioned the compromising nature of Potts as "Special Adivsor."
Not surprisingly they were fired on charges yet to be proved.
But at least they had the balls to show some self respect.
VB
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People does blame Jack but who tell the TTFA to tolerate him and sit there silently.
Anil Roberts try a Jack with Buxo Potts in the TTBBC.
Immediately some members of the executive questioned the compromising nature of Potts as "Special Adivsor."
Not surprisingly they were fired on charges yet to be proved.
But at least they had the balls to show some self respect.
VB
D fellas is in Jack TTFF like COP them wanted 2 eat ah food.
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TTFA coos about mystery sponsor; vows to attack debts
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868)
Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) general secretary Sheldon Phillips claimed today that the local football body is just days away from the first major corporate sponsorship deal under current president Raymond Tim Kee.
Phillips declined to name the mystery corporate partner but said the TTFA is excited about the prospective deal and what it could mean for the local game.
We are getting ready to announce a new corporate sponsorship in a couple days, Phillips told Wired868. I wont give a figure but it will be beyond a million dollars It will be a major announcement and our first major signing.
I think once you get the first one out of the way, other companies will begin to be more comfortable and acknowledge that football on a national team level is back on the right track. We think it will be a good harbinger.
The first beneficiaries are likely to be the top four clubs at the 2013 TTFA FA Trophy competition. DIRECTV W Connection is due $50,000 for winning the knock out title last December while runner-up Central FC is owed $30,000 and North East Stars and Malabar were promised $10,000 each for finishing joint third.
Their investment will include the FA Trophy, said Phillips. It will be a sponsorship that would cover a number of TTFA contracts with the FA being one. We are just waiting to sign the contract.
Phillips suggested that the impending corporate deal should also help to deal with some other pressing business such as unpaid money due to 13 World Cup 2006 players, former national head coach Russell Latapy and present senior team and youth team coaches.
The former World Cup players threatened to take the TTFA back to court for failure to meet its second payment to the Soca Warriors, which was due since September 2013, while the football body has promised to begin satisfying its debt to Latapy by the middle of this year.
Trinidad and Tobagos senior team coaches as well as technical director Anton Corneal are also owed roughly half of promised salaries over the last two years while youth coaches have not received stipends at all.
Trinidad and Tobago director of football and former 2006 World Cup coach Leo Beenhakker told the TTFA last August that he will not return to his post until the football body satisfies all debts to its coaching staff.
The TTFA tried to woo Beenhakker back after paying half its arrears to coaches in January. But the former Real Madrid and Netherlands international coach was unmoved.
His condition is clean sheets (for all coaches), Phillips admitted. That is a position we have supported (too), we want to ensure the coaches are taken care of We are in contact with Leo about the progress of the programmes.
He will not come until the coaches are taken care of and the sooner the better so we will be able to benefit from Leos experience.
The TTFA general secretary claimed that money will not be used directly from the new corporate deal to meet the bodys debts but, instead, it should free up funds from other areas.
Their investment is going to be for the future but it helps free up funds, said Phillips. Some of the revenue streams that were used to support these programs can (now) be used to meet past debts. This is something that Raymond (Tim Kee) has been working on and the Ministry of Sport and the Sportt Company have been tremendous in helping us whittle down coaching arrears.
I think the addition of these corporate sponsors will further enable us to use some of these resources.
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Good to hear. Hope the money is spent wisely.
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Not to be overly-critical, but shouldn't he have waited until the ink was dry before announcing this?
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Dear Beenie,
I can't say enough how grateful we are for your intervention to use your unique leverage to force these historically wotless exploitative TTFA administrators to do the right thing and pay people for the services rendered. If it weren't for you, seriously, it would be NO money for Shabazz, no money for Barber, none fuh King (no pun intended), none for Under 20, male & female team, none fuh under 17 male and female coaches, trainer, physiotherapist, driver, bottle washer .... and guess what ? .... there would be some far-from-the-mainstream kaka-hole, subscribing to the Horner mantra & looking to post: "why allyuh do leave it alone nah. Iz donkey years it so, stop agitating, tell Sancho to shut he ass and siddung". From what I can see of your PRINCIPLES Bennie, you seem to be a great fellah (even though ah hear yuh does let fly mucho f-bombs in trainin'). Yuh have Uncle Tim scamperin' to find money and that is a beautiful thing. Yuh say yuh want Sancho and posse paid in full. That is a beautiful thing. Yuh in effect telling those who wish to support the Jackula way of doing things to "shut up or run for the hills b4 I arrive". Lovely. Never thought I'd see the day so soon. Thank God for the removal of Jackula and the gin and tonic, scotch and coconut water & brown envelope posse. Never again must we go there and never must we take our eyes off Uncle Tim & friends. Keep them honest. Cyah wait to see you Beenie back HOME in the next few months.
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Sculduddery....skulduggery!!!
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Good news and I am glad, but one million or even two isn't that much, but its a start.
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Not to be overly-critical, but shouldn't he have waited until the ink was dry before announcing this?
That would be a normal business practice.
This just sounds like an attempt to fend off creditors.
I really hope this is true because it should do a lot of good for football in T&T if it comes to pass and is put to proper use.
But I also used to hope Santa would bring me presents too.
February 13, 2014, 07:06:29 PM
Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) general secretary Sheldon Phillips claimed today that the local football body is just days away from the first major corporate sponsorship deal under current president Raymond Tim Kee.
Phillips declined to name the mystery corporate partner but said the TTFA is excited about the prospective deal and what it could mean for the local game.
We are getting ready to announce a new corporate sponsorship in a couple days, Phillips told Wired868. I wont give a figure but it will be beyond a million dollars It will be a major announcement and our first major signing.
Couple days eh?
Day 11 and counting.
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Somewhat off topic, but I read an article yesterday about Real Madrid's 26 game unbeaten run. They interviewed Beenhakker because his 89 team holds the record at 34 unbeaten games.
What was interesting is that they described Beenhakker as the current Director of Football of Trinidad and Tobago.
Here is the link to the story:
http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1726297/leo-beenhakker-praises-carlo-ancelotti-work-real-madrid?cc=5901
The current Trinidad and Tobago director of football said he is especially impressed with Ancelottis man-management and ability to keep a squad full of big names happy even when all of them cannot play at once.
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Don't forget that literally everything stops in T&T for carnival. This is the busiest time for major brands and their promotions will take priority over TTFA. Carnival vs Football? No contest.
That said, I agree with Tiresais. But I guess there had to be an attempt to relieve the pressure, so it's understandable. Trouble is, the pressure will soon be back!
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I want to explain my post above.
It's purpose is NOT in any shape, means, or form to "fight down" or denigrate the hard work that Sheldon Phillips and the "new" TTFA have put in.
I can't speak for anyone else....but THIS T&T football fan has been lied to and fed a pack of BS over the years and I treat these kind of press releases with a healthy dose of cynicism. It is a reflex against being conned yet again by the football powers that be.
I see encouraging signs for T&T football and am beginning again to emotionally invest in it...even though that emotional investment never really goes away. But you bounce yuh head against that wall enough times and one day you realize de wall not getting any softer. :banginghead:
Things have been looking up recently and I want to believe....but things like this announcement make me skeptical...even in the face of all the friendly's etc being announced.
To the TTFA administration. You're slowly earning the TRUST again of a skeptical but LOYAL fan base. Please do not f**k it up with dotishness because if you do....you'll cause more harm than good.
Best of luck and I really do hope this sponsorship deal does come through. That it's legitimate. That the funds are used to help pay salaries and payments owed as well as go towards the development of the sport in T&T
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People are acting as though the TTFA hired a banner plane or put up neon signs boasting about a new corporate sponsor. We don't know the context of the statement and the article does not help explain it. For all we know the comment was made in response to a specific question... and Lasana then took that comment and sensationalized the issue. A more impartial media outlet would not have worded the statement as a "claim", but rather as an announcement... or maybe it was not an announcement after all, partially answering the question of whether they should have waited to mention it.
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I want to explain my post above.
It's purpose is NOT in any shape, means, or form to "fight down" or denigrate the hard work that Sheldon Phillips and the "new" TTFA have put in.
I can't speak for anyone else....but THIS T&T football fan has been lied to and fed a pack of BS over the years and I treat these kind of press releases with a healthy dose of cynicism. It is a reflex against being conned yet again by the football powers that be.
I see encouraging signs for T&T football and am beginning again to emotionally invest in it...even though that emotional investment never really goes away. But you bounce yuh head against that wall enough times and one day you realize de wall not getting any softer. :banginghead:
Things have been looking up recently and I want to believe....but things like this announcement make me skeptical...even in the face of all the friendly's etc being announced.
To the TTFA administration. You're slowly earning the TRUST again of a skeptical but LOYAL fan base. Please do not f**k it up with dotishness because if you do....you'll cause more harm than good.
Best of luck and I really do hope this sponsorship deal does come through. That it's legitimate. That the funds are used to help pay salaries and payments owed as well as go towards the development of the sport in T&T
Nice post. Never heard Palos express himself this way. Very mainstream sentiment that speaks on behalf of many genuine fans who really care and are actually afraid to care. Can feel the sincerity in your expression. Again, very touching. Respec'. I believe Sheldon can influence Uncle Tim to care and act.
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People are acting as though the TTFA hired a banner plane or put up neon signs boasting about a new corporate sponsor. We don't know the context of the statement and the article does not help explain it. For all we know the comment was made in response to a specific question... and Lasana then took that comment and sensationalized the issue. A more impartial media outlet would not have worded the statement as a "claim", but rather as an announcement... or maybe it was not an announcement after all, partially answering the question of whether they should have waited to mention it.
As I read the article, it was not an announcement; Phillips was clear that he was getting ready to announce it. Lasana termed it as "claimed" because he received no confirmation of the sponsor or the amount, therefore, there were no facts to report, just claims!
It's not a banner announcement, but it's news, and Lasana's job is to report news. If the deal was not secured, a simple no comment could have been offered. But Sheldon made many specific statements, so it's understandable that the timescale was also viewed as a definite.
As I have said before, sponsors aren't going to adhere to any timescale over carnival. I just think Sheldon was excited about a lucrative sponsorship (and rightly so) and perhaps mis judged the pace of business in T&T (especially during carnival)
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As I read the article, it was not an announcement; Phillips was clear that he was getting ready to announce it. Lasana termed it as "claimed" because he received no confirmation of the sponsor or the amount, therefore, there were no facts to report, just claims!
It's not a banner announcement, but it's news, and Lasana's job is to report news. If the deal was not secured, a simple no comment could have been offered. But Sheldon made many specific statements, so it's understandable that the timescale was also viewed as a definite.
As I have said before, sponsors aren't going to adhere to any timescale over carnival. I just think Sheldon was excited about a lucrative sponsorship (and rightly so) and perhaps mis judged the pace of business in T&T (especially during carnival)
He received no confirmation yuh say, just "claims"... so he reported it as claims. Okay:
There were difficulties on the field too. Guerra scored just once for RoPS and admitted that he struggled to fit into the teams direct style while he was upset the Finnish team dragged its feet over the paperwork required for his US visa, which denied him the chance to play at the 2013 Gold Cup.
http://wired868.com/2014/01/01/central-fc-snaps-up-guerra-sharks-target-top-two-finish/
Did he receive confirmation that RoPS dragged its feet over the paperwork required for Guerra to get his US visa? How come he didn't report this as a "claim"?
The 27-year-old defender revealed that from his salary at Toronto Football Club (FC)which is 80 per cent more than he earns representing Harbour View he was able to purchase a car, which he would not be able to do now, as it is mere love for the game which pushes him on.
http://wired868.com/2014/02/23/jamaicas-club-footballers-cry-foul-over-poor-salaries/
Did Wired868 receive confirmation from Williams as to what his salary was with Toronto FC? Pay stub? Contract? Did they independently verify it from sources provided by the MLS Players Union? Did Wired868 receive confirmation that Williams would be unable to purchase a car with his present income? Why did Lasana not insist that this be reported as "claims"?
Let's just be honest and call it what it is... he is skeptical of anything the TTFA says and allows his personal subjectivity to cloud his objectivity as a journalist. Then again, maybe this is one of them times when he just posing as a journalist.
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As I read the article, it was not an announcement; Phillips was clear that he was getting ready to announce it. Lasana termed it as "claimed" because he received no confirmation of the sponsor or the amount, therefore, there were no facts to report, just claims!
It's not a banner announcement, but it's news, and Lasana's job is to report news. If the deal was not secured, a simple no comment could have been offered. But Sheldon made many specific statements, so it's understandable that the timescale was also viewed as a definite.
As I have said before, sponsors aren't going to adhere to any timescale over carnival. I just think Sheldon was excited about a lucrative sponsorship (and rightly so) and perhaps mis judged the pace of business in T&T (especially during carnival)
He received no confirmation yuh say, just "claims"... so he reported it as claims. Okay:
There were difficulties on the field too. Guerra scored just once for RoPS and admitted that he struggled to fit into the teams direct style while he was upset the Finnish team dragged its feet over the paperwork required for his US visa, which denied him the chance to play at the 2013 Gold Cup.
http://wired868.com/2014/01/01/central-fc-snaps-up-guerra-sharks-target-top-two-finish/
Did he receive confirmation that RoPS dragged its feet over the paperwork required for Guerra to get his US visa? How come he didn't report this as a "claim"?
The 27-year-old defender revealed that from his salary at Toronto Football Club (FC)which is 80 per cent more than he earns representing Harbour View he was able to purchase a car, which he would not be able to do now, as it is mere love for the game which pushes him on.
http://wired868.com/2014/02/23/jamaicas-club-footballers-cry-foul-over-poor-salaries/
Did Wired868 receive confirmation from Williams as to what his salary was with Toronto FC? Pay stub? Contract? Did they independently verify it from sources provided by the MLS Players Union? Did Wired868 receive confirmation that Williams would be unable to purchase a car with his present income? Why did Lasana not insist that this be reported as "claims"?
Let's just be honest and call it what it is... he is skeptical of anything the TTFA says and allows his personal subjectivity to cloud his objectivity as a journalist. Then again, maybe this is one of them times when he just posing as a journalist.
bakes that article was sourced from the Jamaica gleaner
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As I read the article, it was not an announcement; Phillips was clear that he was getting ready to announce it. Lasana termed it as "claimed" because he received no confirmation of the sponsor or the amount, therefore, there were no facts to report, just claims!
It's not a banner announcement, but it's news, and Lasana's job is to report news. If the deal was not secured, a simple no comment could have been offered. But Sheldon made many specific statements, so it's understandable that the timescale was also viewed as a definite.
As I have said before, sponsors aren't going to adhere to any timescale over carnival. I just think Sheldon was excited about a lucrative sponsorship (and rightly so) and perhaps mis judged the pace of business in T&T (especially during carnival)
He received no confirmation yuh say, just "claims"... so he reported it as claims. Okay:
There were difficulties on the field too. Guerra scored just once for RoPS and admitted that he struggled to fit into the teams direct style while he was upset the Finnish team dragged its feet over the paperwork required for his US visa, which denied him the chance to play at the 2013 Gold Cup.
http://wired868.com/2014/01/01/central-fc-snaps-up-guerra-sharks-target-top-two-finish/
Did he receive confirmation that RoPS dragged its feet over the paperwork required for Guerra to get his US visa? How come he didn't report this as a "claim"?
The 27-year-old defender revealed that from his salary at Toronto Football Club (FC)which is 80 per cent more than he earns representing Harbour View he was able to purchase a car, which he would not be able to do now, as it is mere love for the game which pushes him on.
http://wired868.com/2014/02/23/jamaicas-club-footballers-cry-foul-over-poor-salaries/
Did Wired868 receive confirmation from Williams as to what his salary was with Toronto FC? Pay stub? Contract? Did they independently verify it from sources provided by the MLS Players Union? Did Wired868 receive confirmation that Williams would be unable to purchase a car with his present income? Why did Lasana not insist that this be reported as "claims"?
Let's just be honest and call it what it is... he is skeptical of anything the TTFA says and allows his personal subjectivity to cloud his objectivity as a journalist. Then again, maybe this is one of them times when he just posing as a journalist.
I'm not disagreeing with your conclusion, but I feel you're stretching to reach it.
Lasana quoted Guerra directly : Finland was a nice football environment although the money wasnt great, said Guerra. Personally, I (felt) the club should have released me when the (TTFA) requested me and (RoPS) kind of kept me back from getting the opportunity to represent my country" But he introduced the quote with his "take" on the quote. Maybe he could have requested an opinion from RoPS, but I don't think its necessary. It's Guerra's personal interpretation that Lasana reported on.
As mentioned, the Jamaican salary was reposted from the Gleaner, so it's not relevant.
So, perhaps you are just as skeptical or critical of Lasana's work? I'm sure that if you looked at Jennings work you could say the same. While there's always room for improvement, who else is really covering T&T football as well as Liburd?
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bakes that article was sourced from the Jamaica gleaner
I know the article is sourced from the Gleaner, but that is besides the point. Lasana is Editor-in-Chief and as such nothing is posted without his consent. He has explicitly endorsed anything that appears on Wired868 since (presumably) he alone as Editor-in-Chief is responsible for its content.
I'm not disagreeing with your conclusion, but I feel you're stretching to reach it.
Lasana quoted Guerra directly : Finland was a nice football environment although the money wasnt great, said Guerra. Personally, I (felt) the club should have released me when the (TTFA) requested me and (RoPS) kind of kept me back from getting the opportunity to represent my country" But he introduced the quote with his "take" on the quote. Maybe he could have requested an opinion from RoPS, but I don't think its necessary. It's Guerra's personal interpretation that Lasana reported on.
You missing the forest for the trees. "It's Guerra's personal interpretation that Lasana reported on." Yes, and it was Phillips' personal interpretation (that the sponsorship deal was imminent) that he was reporting on. Yet one was presented as fact and the other as a "claim".
As mentioned, the Jamaican salary was reposted from the Gleaner, so it's not relevant.
You can't be serious. If yuh still having trouble seeing the relevance, see my response to Trini_2018 above. Besides, whether it is this article or another, if I really wanted I could go through and find other articles written by Lasana himself that proves my point, that he lets his subjectivity cloud his objectivity as a journalist where the TTFA is concerned.
So, perhaps you are just as skeptical or critical of Lasana's work? I'm sure that if you looked at Jennings work you could say the same. While there's always room for improvement, who else is really covering T&T football as well as Liburd?
I am quite familiar with Jennings work and a great deal of it is intellectual nonsense, mixed in with gibberish. It is hardly flattering to try and compare Lasana to Jennings... and avoidance of such is precisely why I am this critical (not skeptical) of Lasana's work.
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Corneal: Tim Kee and Phillips are opportunists.
By Arnold Corneal.
Arnold Corneal, brother of former technical director Anton Corneal, accuses the TTFA of a lack of respect to local coaches:
We continue to manage the administrative function of local football in a manner that lends itself to continued scepticism and mistrust. In addition, the stories of local coaching practitioners who have not been paid, still echo in our ears.
One would have thought that Raymond Tim Kee, who holds down three jobsMayor of Port of Spain, insurance agent at Guardian Life, and president of the TTFAwould respect the value of a good days pay for a good days work. Clearly, the responsibilities inherent in providing effective football administration are not considered significant enough to have a full time president.
More importantly, we continue to see the disrespect, and disregard for our local coaches; by them not being paid, as in the case with Anton Corneal, and further by ignoring their contribution to the game. But ironically enough, there is always money to be found to pay foreign coaches.
Tim Kee has expressed publicly that he wants Leo Beenhakker to have a role in local football; knowing fully that this would be at least a US$50,000 per month commitment, even with would be a pay cut from when he was here in 2006.
And with the new Hart that came on board, this operation surely would have cost at least US$25-35,000 per month. But we have no money to pay local coaches!
Something else to consider is: Who is Sheldon Phillips? What is his claim to football management fame? But here he is employed in the unilateral decision by the president to run football while Tim Kee dabbles in the politics and ultimately earns a living through insurance activity.
This is the same Tim Kee who held the position of vice president of the TTFF, while Mr. Jack Warner was special adviser. The TTFA continues an uncontrollable downward spiral and the victims are players, coaches and passionate football supporters.
While some may hold the view that I write in support of my brother Anton, more importantly, I write in support of curbing the landslide of local football, done at the hands of opportunistic personalities like Phillips and Tim Kee, who both bring little to the sport management table. Both had little success in that sphere of operations; yet the future of our football directly depends on their fancies and decisions.
Please wake up: players, coaches, supporters, sponsors and people of Trinidad and Tobago. There is much too much at stake here!
In 2006, this country stood still when our team qualified for the World Cup. We featured on the international stage. Everyone throughout the world, if they did not know before, then knew who we were. All this through football!
A nation came together as one; probably for the first time in 24 years. This is the value of not only football, but sport in our twin island republic.
Why do we continuously leave it in the hands of persons whose main objective are to see how they can benefit, rather than give? Lets get real here. The horizon looks bleak, especially with the current bunch of Football administrators being retained by the TTFA; starting with Tim Kee.
It is important to first correct the wrongs that still exist and only then can we comfortably move forward. Under the stewardship of Phillip and Tim Kee, it seems that it is best to sweep the wrongs under the carpet and unceremoniously move on to the future.
I hope that the business community is very watchful of these circumstances, and pay close attention to the approach of the current administration. It was difficult enough for them to manage a tee-shirt campaign for a worthy cause, how are they then able to manage anything that is more complex than checking the monies received from sales of those shirts? How much clearer can it be?
We now have a two man show with one man only a third of the time available, and the other man, not even a son of the soil and not ever having had any experience in local football, now calling the shots.
In fact, Phillips has not even had experience as a football general secretary in any part of the world. But I guess having a father like Lincoln Phillips helps; at the expense and demise of our football.
Editors Note: Arnold Corneals blog was sent to Wired868 as a letter to the editor. His suggestion with regards to the salaries earned by certain named coaches is, as far as we are aware, purely speculation.
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Arnold Corneal, brother of former technical director Anton Corneal, accuses the TTFA of a lack of respect to local coaches:
We continue to manage the administrative function of local football in a manner that lends itself to continued scepticism and mistrust. In addition, the stories of local coaching practitioners who have not been paid, still echo in our ears.
One would have thought that Raymond Tim Kee, who holds down three jobsMayor of Port of Spain, insurance agent at Guardian Life, and president of the TTFAwould respect the value of a good days pay for a good days work. Clearly, the responsibilities inherent in providing effective football administration are not considered significant enough to have a full time president.
More importantly, we continue to see the disrespect, and disregard for our local coaches; by them not being paid, as in the case with Anton Corneal, and further by ignoring their contribution to the game. But ironically enough, there is always money to be found to pay foreign coaches.
Tim Kee has expressed publicly that he wants Leo Beenhakker to have a role in local football; knowing fully that this would be at least a US$50,000 per month commitment, even with would be a pay cut from when he was here in 2006.
And with the new Hart that came on board, this operation surely would have cost at least US$25-35,000 per month. But we have no money to pay local coaches!
Something else to consider is: Who is Sheldon Phillips? What is his claim to football management fame? But here he is employed in the unilateral decision by the president to run football while Tim Kee dabbles in the politics and ultimately earns a living through insurance activity.
This is the same Tim Kee who held the position of vice president of the TTFF, while Mr. Jack Warner was special adviser. The TTFA continues an uncontrollable downward spiral and the victims are players, coaches and passionate football supporters.
While some may hold the view that I write in support of my brother Anton, more importantly, I write in support of curbing the landslide of local football, done at the hands of opportunistic personalities like Phillips and Tim Kee, who both bring little to the sport management table. Both had little success in that sphere of operations; yet the future of our football directly depends on their fancies and decisions.
Please wake up: players, coaches, supporters, sponsors and people of Trinidad and Tobago. There is much too much at stake here!
Read more: http://wired868.com/2014/04/03/corneal-strikes-back-tim-kee-and-phillips-are-opportunists/
Very different from having a father like Alvin ;D
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Arnold Corneal...
Keep it moving folks, nothing to see here... :Police:
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Let the mud fly?
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So all of a sudden Arnold cares.
For over 30 years the Corneals wheel and deal and suck T&T football.
Even Arnold sold out United Petrotrin, so he should be the last to talk.
The Corneals were here before Jack.
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I do not recall reading any statement or observation from this individual, on the evils or triumphs of any member of the previous admistrations,his sound off at this time is rather intresting
Arnold you have held on yo your thoughts,it is my view they are many years late and millions of dollars short
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Waste of effin time. Daiz how I see the Cornmeal response.
Where was his stinkin' mouth when Renraw was raping the TTFF treasury and the Cornmeals had it cork yr after year
For the first time Cornmeal feeling the shaft after Bertille, Gally, other coaches get diss left right and center.
Look laterz for you yes. The cornmeal empire under threat. I get it but so what. Who gives a shit in this cold world.
Chickens coming home to roost hoss.
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Asked Arnold what happened to United Petrotrin where he was incharged?
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RENWAR LOYALIST (Dreamer ah take ah borrow)
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And Alcons touring England right now?
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Only now you got a voice??!! Confirmation that the Corneals are pathetic!!
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Pertinent question... why is Wired868 giving this apologist for the ancien regime a platform to grind a very personal axe against the TTFA, and Phillips and Tim Kee in particular?
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Only now you got a voice??!! Confirmation that the Corneals are pathetic!!
Convenient timing.
In addition if the article is by Arnold Corneal, why does it say "by Lasana Liburd."
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I suppose now Alvin go find he mouth too.
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Pertinent question... why is Wired868 giving this apologist for the ancien regime a platform to grind a very personal axe against the TTFA, and Phillips and Tim Kee in particular?
Isn't that balance though Bakes. Wired868 did publish the TTFA side. Not so? Shouldn't a journalist/reporter/freelancer/juniorsecessaywriter seek to gain perspective from both sides of the situation?
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Isn't that balance though Bakes. Wired868 did publish the TTFA side. Not so? Shouldn't a journalist/reporter/freelancer/juniorsecessaywriter seek to gain perspective from both sides of the situation?
Who is Arnold Corneal and how is he related to the dispute? This isn't even a "side" of the story, nothing is in dispute, they made a promise to pay Anton and they haven't been able to. What "side" is Arnold Corneal offering?? Other than to slur Tim Kee and Phillips as "opportunists". He not addressing the issue, he addressing men character. Imagine if Tim Kee son, or LP was to publish something bad mouthing Anton? Character assassination in the press by a family member to a dispute is inappropriate imo.
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Arnold Corneal is Anton brother.
Petrotrin FC blanks local coaches, youth teams.
...as Oilmen sign Whitley, Gray, Mason.
T&T Guardian Reports.
There is currently a massive shake up in the southern part of Trinidad as Pro League club United Petrotrin makes some pessimistic adjustments according to one source. According to the source close to the club, United Petrotrin is losing sight of club policies and accuses board member Arnold Corneal, Corporate Communications Manager at Petrotrin of a personal takeover.
Already he (Corneal) has squashed the youth systems at the club, said another source at the club. This is something that is clearly against club policies which is stated even on our (www.petrotrin.com) clubs Web site.
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=42237.0;wap
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Arnold Corneal is Anton brother.
I'm aware of the relation Flex... Arnold is a nobody, the dispute is between his brother and the Association. Anton's frustrations are justifiable, and if he want's he could speak on his own behalf. He don't need his brother drinking tea for his cough... and burning bridges and reputations in the process.
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Isn't that balance though Bakes. Wired868 did publish the TTFA side. Not so? Shouldn't a journalist/reporter/freelancer/juniorsecessaywriter seek to gain perspective from both sides of the situation?
Who is Arnold Corneal and how is he related to the dispute? This isn't even a "side" of the story, nothing is in dispute, they made a promise to pay Anton and they haven't been able to. What "side" is Arnold Corneal offering?? Other than to slur Tim Kee and Phillips as "opportunists". He not addressing the issue, he addressing men character. Imagine if Tim Kee son, or LP was to publish something bad mouthing Anton? Character assassination in the press by a family member to a dispute is inappropriate imo.
So when CNN/Faux/MSNBC seek to talk to people in the community who close to a situation that is not good journalism? This is common practice, it happens everyday. it's rather strange that you find this inappropriate. This is common practice in the media any where in the world. You see people not directly involved in a matter on major news network speaking to a victim's or suspect's character. How many people came out and destroyed Trayvon Martin's character that had nothing to do with the case. As a matter of fact, his character was admitted as evidence. I know you will say that this is different.
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https://www.youtube.com/v/Prk9V8vDiJA
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Some of that money that Jack stole from T&T football could have gone towards paying his brother Anton.
Has Arnold Cornmeal not thought about that?!
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So when CNN/Faux/MSNBC seek to talk to people in the community who close to a situation that is not good journalism? This is common practice, it happens everyday. it's rather strange that you find this inappropriate. This is common practice in the media any where in the world. You see people not directly involved in a matter on major news network speaking to a victim's or suspect's character. How many people came out and destroyed Trayvon Martin's character that had nothing to do with the case. As a matter of fact, his character was admitted as evidence. I know you will say that this is different.
Something wrong with you yes... like you can't diffrentiate "interviewing" somebody and "giving them a platform". Lasana give Arnold Corneal an unfettered outlet on his website to savage Tim Kee and Phillip and you comparing that to CNN interviewing somebody? Yuh ever see CNN give them they own show to come and take sides in any dispute? Now you comparing this to Trayvon Martin and the Boston Bombing? You can't be serious.
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So when CNN/Faux/MSNBC seek to talk to people in the community who close to a situation that is not good journalism? This is common practice, it happens everyday. it's rather strange that you find this inappropriate. This is common practice in the media any where in the world. You see people not directly involved in a matter on major news network speaking to a victim's or suspect's character. How many people came out and destroyed Trayvon Martin's character that had nothing to do with the case. As a matter of fact, his character was admitted as evidence. I know you will say that this is different.
Something wrong with you yes... like you can't diffrentiate "interviewing" somebody and "giving them a platform". Lasana give Arnold Corneal an unfettered outlet on his website to savage Tim Kee and Phillip and you comparing that to CNN interviewing somebody? Yuh ever see CNN give them they own show to come and take sides in any dispute? Now you comparing this to Trayvon Martin and the Boston Bombing? You can't be serious.
Who comparing what? Those were used to show that news organization do give platform to people not directly involved with a situation. No attempt was made to compare Boston to Trayvon Martin's situation. Try again.
So according to you, CNN interviewing a person about another person's character on INTERNATIONAL TELEVISION is not a platform, but wired868 is. :banginghead: :rotfl:
CNN asked people to state THEIR opinions and proceeded to allow that person to say what their opinion/s is/are. So would you have felt better if wired868 had interviewed Arnold Corneal, than publishing his editorial? Would that have been in keeping with journalism best practice?
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The note at the end of the article clearly states that it was a letter to W68 and not any kind of article or feature.
Lasana obviously gave it a highlight due to the Corneal name.
VB
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I don't know why it said "By Lasana Liburd". Maybe I did that in error or an administrator added it by mistake.
There is no mystery to the story. Arnold Corneal wrote a very lengthy comment on the initial story about his brother's resignation. I could not use it as a comment at that length; so I emailed and asked him if he would like me to use it as a blog instead and he agreed.
To say he has "unfettered access" to Wired868 is a very odd and loaded statement. It is a guest blog. All news houses have a letters page or columnist section that fulfils the same purpose, which is to allow people a voice.
He is not the first and won't be the last. I have had many sport and non-sporting column from well over a dozen people on all sorts of topics.
I encourage anyone who feels strongly about a point to submit something as well.
I will not agree with all the independent blogs. But there is no managing editor on the planet who agrees with every letter or column that was published on his/her newspaper or website.
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Lasana wrote a piece about someone who had something to say, he is basically the messenger, don't blame him.
And this story open de eyes, because we know Anton didn't have de balls to say anything, he used his brother.
In time he will but for now, he go use other channels until he realize he eh getting back he job and T&T football start doing good.
Sour grapes then.
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I don't know why it said "By Lasana Liburd". Maybe I did that in error or an administrator added it by mistake.
There is no mystery to the story. Arnold Corneal wrote a very lengthy comment on the initial story about his brother's resignation. I could not use it as a comment at that length; so I emailed and asked him if he would like me to use it as a blog instead and he agreed.
To say he has "unfettered access" to Wired868 is a very odd and loaded statement. It is a guest blog. All news houses have a letters page or columnist section that fulfils the same purpose, which is to allow people a voice.
He is not the first and won't be the last. I have had many sport and non-sporting column from well over a dozen people on all sorts of topics.
I encourage anyone who feels strongly about a point to submit something as well.
I will not agree with all the independent blogs. But there is no managing editor on the planet who agrees with every letter or column that was published on his/her newspaper or website.
:beermug: :beermug: :beermug:
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Did anyone seriously expect Anton to bad talk his employers WHILE he was still working for them. No professional does that, it lacks diplomacy in resolving the issue.
And as he may wish to get this post in the future, he may criticise in a diplomatic manner as is his prerogative.
VB
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1. Arnold Corneal is entitled to an opinion (regardless of his status as Anton's brother). He expressed that opinion in a comment and was willing to defend that opinion on an elevated platform upon Lasana's inquiry ... big man does back dey talk, yuh doh hadda agree wid de content.
Arnold Corneal wrote a very lengthy comment on the initial story about his brother's resignation. I could not use it as a comment at that length; so I emailed and asked him if he would like me to use it as a blog instead and he agreed.
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2. Like anybody else, Arnold is entitled to an opinion ... that doh necessarily mean he talking on Anton's behalf.
3. Anton seems to have been capable of responsibly communicating his position to the TTFA because the TTFA knew that Anton was considering departure:
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The resignation wasnt a surprise, said Phillips. It is something that had been in discussion with the financial situation around the association and it is a decision that we respect. We acknowledge the receipt of the resignation and will discuss it further over the couple days and then issue a release.
We have been very upfront with Anton from the beginning in terms of what our plans were to deal with the arrears and we are still in the process of doing that He said he didnt know how long he could last but he lasted quite a long time and did a yeomans task.
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4. Nobody eh like to wuk and doh get paid!!! That had tuh have involved sacrifice one way or de other. The paradox of representing yuh country and not gehhin paid should be ringing in everyone's ears even more than any comment from Arnold.
5. There's likely more in de mortar than de pestle. Everything in due season. Time will tell. In the meantime, NO ONE in the coaching fraternity should be willing to step into the position.
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4. Nobody eh like to wuk and doh get paid!!! That had tuh have involved sacrifice one way or de other. The paradox of representing yuh country and not gehhin paid should be ringing in everyone's ears even more than any comment from Arnold.
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Corneal: Use Beenhakker cash for local coaches
By Arnold Corneal (Wired868)
Arnold Corneal, brother of ex-technical director Anton Corneal, follows up on his criticism of the TTFA president and general secretary with a suggestion for how money earmarked for Leo Beenhakker might be best used
Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) president Raymond Tim Kee and general secretary Sheldon Phillips have been bellowing for the return of former Trinidad and Tobago 2006 World Cup coach Leo Beenhakker as director of football at a cost believed to be anywhere between US$45,000 and US$55,000 per month.
Why are we not hearing those same sentiments from the technical committee of the TTFA? Oh yes, there is a technical committee which, under the TTFAs constitution, has the responsibility for technical decisions inclusive of recommendations for the employment of coaches and directors.
Unfortunately, they have been kept very silent since Tim Kees appointment and side-stepped after Phillips arrival.
Further, I understand the committee was not even consulted about the appointment of present coach Stephen Hart and only found out when the decision was already made by Tim Kee after he consulted with Phillips.
Again, we see a president demonstrating that he is a Jack of all trades; calling the shots on anything that peaks his interest or allows him to assert his authority. It is not surprising; he was an obedient understudy as TTFA vice president when Mr. Warner was at the helm.
We are now witnessing history repeat itself.
Beenhakkers role in effecting Tim Kees new dispensation of football development emerges out of discussions by individuals who have absolutely no knowledge or experience on the topic. I understand that even these deliberations were done without the input of the TTFAs technical committee.
How did both Tim Kee and Phillips come to the conclusion that we have had little or no development in football in Trinidad and Tobago? And how could they conclude that this alleged vacuum or longstanding dilemma warrants a US$55,000 salary for one individual to implement?
Did they see it fit to consult people like Bertille St. Clair, Ron La Forest, Gally Cummings, Edgar Vidale, Alvin Corneal, Steve David, Leroy De Leon and many others or to include the many coaching school coaches who fostered development over the last 30 years?
These are the people who know about what development has taken place in this country. The old people would always say: If you dont know, then ask!
On the matter of the supposed void in local football, I present another view, one based on facts that are available for evaluation and scrutiny.
While I subscribe to the fact that development must be continuous, I also acknowledge our local football has done reasonably well in this area for over 50 years. Those of the right age might remember that, in 1967, Trinidad and Tobago won bronze at the Pan American Games in Canada.
Some of the results were: Trinidad 1, Mexico 1; Trinidad 1, Argentina 0; Trinidad 5, Colombia 2; Trinidad 4, Canada 1.
Astonishingly, this occurred in an environment where Trinidad and Tobago had far less footballers than now and it was names like Pa Aleong and Old Man Braithwaithe who shouldered the responsibility for our development.
Six years later, our national team was on the verge of the 1974 World Cup at a time when only 16 teams qualified and not 32 as it is now.
In 1989, Everald Gally Cummings team almost made it to the 1990 World Cup with talent from national youth teams coached by Winston Phillips and Philbert Prince. Then, in 1991, Bertille St Clair took an under-20 team to the World Youth Cup with Dwight Yorke and many other talented young players.
All of this was done with local coaches and all working for free also, may I remind you!
In that era we also produced the David Nakhids, Dexter Skeenes, Shaka Hislops, Russel Latapys, and too many others to call here. If this wasnt evidence of development, then what is?
Within the last seven years, Trinidad and Tobago has qualified for two World Youth Cups and almost did it again at under-17 level in Panama last year. If that again is not clear evidence of successful development, then wake me up.
Let us look at the factors that contributed to this development over these many years. Primary to this are the volunteer coaches, some of whom I named previously, and the many coaching schools that contributed to this cause.
It is important to stress that this success came at a time when little money was available to support development and, in many cases, coaches were not paid. Nevertheless, development took place because of the blood, sweat and passion that these players and coaches shed.
Now comes Leo Beenhakker!
While I respect his accomplishments as a world class coach, I question his history or expertise to help our development. This has never been part of his portfolio. He has always only coached fully professional world class players.
We are now asking an aged practitioner to establish a developmental system, which comprises many stakeholders who continue to operate pro bono while Beenhakker receives in excess of US$55,000 each month.
If half of Beenhakkers monthly salary was available to fund youth developmental projects in Trinidad and Tobago, I can assure you that we will qualify for many more youth and senior World Cups.
The major problem in local football has never been with the development stage; as I have hopefully outlined. But it continues to be with the management phase.
We have always had the players, coaches and passion of a people who love the game; but, apart from the late visionary Eric James, we have had little football administrators who adequately understand the management of the sport.
Even more pressing is the fact that the current administration continues to demonstrate little appreciation and respect for the value of the local coaching practitioners that we have had for over 50 years. And they fail to understand the impact of poor management on athletes performances and their chances of achieving success.
Many of the decisions that they make are business decisions that are conceptualized and implemented in a vacuum, that is void of input from the people who really know about the key ingredients of the sport. This has become routine.
Clearly we are allowing the tail to wag the dog. Football will continue to be played even in the absence of management; but management cannot operate in the absence of football.
I have little confidence in the sport management skills of Tim Kee and Phillips; and I urge our players, coaches and supporters to demand much more from football administrators. There is too much to lose.
Many sacrifices have been made by players and local coaches; mostly for the love of the game and not for the love of money. It is now time that our local coaches and players benefit from the money that we understand is readily available; they have been on the job for well over 50 years.
Now is the time to put them on the payroll. It is not too late to correct the errors of the past and move on quickly to create a successful future.
Editors Note: As far as we know, the figures presented in this blog are speculation. Wired868 cannot confirm or rebut the authors claims regarding the current relationship between the TTFA technical committee and its president and general secretary.
Please note too that Leo Beenhakker has so far stood in solidarity with local coaches and refused to accept a TTFA position until all arrears to coaches are met.
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He has a point about the large salary (if the figures are right) - there needs to be more scrutiny over how we utilise our limited resources in this department - if $50k a month is true then that's a travesty - we could employ groundsmen for every pitch big and small for that money, or build and maintain several academies..
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The salary is no travesty considering it's an individual of Beenahker's class.
It's around the same salary he had eight years ago so apparently inflation wasn't considered.
I believe Been.'s salary was taken up by the MOS, however, the Coaches' salary was an older issue which Anil expected the TTFA to resolve on their own.
Even if we get rid of Beenie the TTFA has to resolve this issue. The MOS cah bail them out.
Bear in mind they are given a buidget of 20-30 million TT EVERY YEAR.
The LOST FOKKING 80 MILLION DOLLARS they say they gave to JW which he has denied.
Why should the MOS bail them out?? FOKK dat, use the money given in your annual budget and at least make installments. FIND the money you gave to Jack. JW has publicly called you liars and you take like a a a pack of damn fools with no paper trail to support your claim and the money is just gone and everybody quiet.
Beenhakker must suffer for these fools. Hull dey ass!!!
VB
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Anything yet on the mystery sponsor?
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Anything yet on the mystery sponsor?
This is a job for Sherlock Hemlock
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It was a claim of an announcement not a claim that it was announcement.
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Question .... is this alleged sponsorship associated with the DEVELOPMENT in football in T&T ? ..or is it that we have found someone to pay off debts incurred by the football Federation/TTFA ? is it the TTFF debts we are settling or the TTFA debt ? Is the TTFF still owned by Oliver Camps and if so is it his debt we are referring to ? Is the TTFA now the controlling body for football in T&T ? has the TTFF been wound up ? ...I am confused ...can anyone shed some light on these matters ? I should be grateful for your learned opinion
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Before I start let me say that respect Anton & really think he needs to get out his father shadow.
Lets start with Arnold since he in the news, crying down everyone and talking about foreigners & respect for locals.
This is the same man who when he was in charge of Petrotrin football.
A: Hired a Foreign coach that led the team to the bottom three in the league
B: Bought a bunch of foreign players
The same man who once his brother had to step aside for Latapy refuse to release players for T&T National team duty.
Next is Alvin. who was Jack Warners main critic in the 70's on his radio talk show & several news paper articles.
Jack bought his loyalty with a FIFA / CONCACAF post & we never heard one criticism despite all that happened with the
Warner Administration. He uses the post to promote Anton to similar stature. Talk about nepotism & cornering the market.
The man who claimed that Beenie did nothing with the National team & was his critic to the end.
Look I could go on but I think everyone here see the picture. Pure Hypocrisy :bs:
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Leo Beenhakker ranks 9th on a list of Holland's 10 greatest football managers. Jan Zwartkruis (deceased), who was T&Ts coach for a brief spell in the 1980s also makes the list.
http://feeds.bleacherreport.com/articles/2051630-ranking-the-netherlands-10-greatest-managers/page/3
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I wonder if we could bring back Leo to assist Hart for a few games?
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Beenhakker: Dennis is the Right Man for the Job.
TTFA Media.
Rijsbergen expresses support as well
Leo Beenhakker has endorsed Dennis Lawrence, saying that he believes the former Everton coach is the right man to take up the position as head coach of the Trinidad and Tobago National Mens Senior Team.
Lawrence was officially announced by the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association as the head coach on Saturday and Beenhakker responded to a request for a statement by indicating that he was pleased that the man who scored the winning goal for T&T against Bahrain to qualify this country to the 2006 World Cup, was given the job, also wishing him the best in his new role.
Dennis and I had a conversation by phone about two weeks ago about the item and I am very happy that he accepted the job, Beenhakker told TTFA Media on Sunday.
He has the authority, the personality and even more than that, the knowledge of the game to do a successful job and he deserves the support of the board, the media and the fans.
Dennis was the guy who brought T&T in November 2005, as one of the players, for the first and only time to the World Cup in 2006, Beenhakker continued.
I am totally convinced that, with the support and confidence of everybody, he is the right man on the right place to realize a new successful chapter in history as national coach of T&T.
Also expressing his support for Lawrence was Wim Rijsbergen, the assistant to Beenhakker during the 2006 campaign and a former head coach of T&T in 2007.
I spoke the last couple of days with some people in Trinidad about the new coach. I thought that Dennis would be the best man for the job, Rijsbergen told TTFA Media on Sunday.
I have been following him the last couple of years working with Roberto Martinez.
I have been following Trinidad & Tobago since I left and I still feel positive about the time we had with a great bunch of players and staff to reach the World Cup 2006. I hope that Dennis and everybody involved will work together to turn around the results, added Rijsbergen who is a former Netherlands player, appearing in the final of the 1974 and 1998 World Cups.
Beenhakker led T&T to World Cup qualification after joining as head coach after three matches in the Final Round of qualifying in 2005. Lawrence scored for T&T in Beenhakkers first World Cup qualifying match in charge of T&T in a 2-0 win over Panama at the Hasely Crawford Stadium at the time. Beenhakkers first two qualifying matches after taking the top post were against Panama and Mexico. Lawrences opening two qualifiers will be against Panama on March 24th and Mexico on March 28th at the Hasely Crawford Stadium.