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Sports => Football => Topic started by: Trini _2026 on October 12, 2011, 01:22:46 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/v/lim638v4MCk
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gih dem otto ah lovin it :rotfl:
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He right to get on bad caw daz bullshit in troot!!
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lol
gih dem otto ah lovin it :rotfl:
Oh gosh they will be on Otto case now ... seems like he is not to happy with theobald in India .. the level of football it seems
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Otto Pfister is a f00cking BOSS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I like him, he talk he mind and he dam well right.
These clubs like W Connection and Joe Public only looking for a quick dollar even if they have to send our players thousands of miles away to make the same money when you think about tax and so on....
They want a transfer fee at any cost and to hell with the players.
Them players also dotish to for hiring some stupid agents who dont give a rats ass about them. Them men dont even know nothing about what they going to face their, the club and agents not telling them anything and just sending them blindly.... what assholes....
Mike Berry was a smartman, but atleast he had we players playing in better leagues.
Look Clyde Leon now clubless and trialing in flicking Vietnam..... for a few extra dollars.
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i agree with Otto, what they did with Daryl was wrong.. South Africa? India? Our players deserve better
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I LOVING THIS COACH!!!
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You think clown Maturana and puppet Latapy would ever be able to show the balls this man have?
I love this man , his passion and love for our football is there to see in this, truly being the father figure a coach supposed to be looking out for every interest from Winchester to a more senior player like Leon
This is an eye opening revelation and the pro league, the unnamed agents and the TTFF are all to blame for this fiasco and the media have it all to do to expose this situation
Who is the manager of the TT Team? he takes alot of blame for this for his lack of communication between clubs and players notifying them when training camps are etc and of course the pro league clubs involved and agents face some serious trouble with the dealings they are doing .. some of these cases may be illegal and players are really being treated like Animals and shipped all over the world is shit leagues like Vietnam and India
Unfortunately I do not believe in most our journalists as I honestly think they do not care about situations like this and that is why Otto made a personal plea with them to man up and do their job, men like Prescott and Simon, I hope you two are on the forum, prove to me that I am wrong about you and do your job with this.. get to the bottom of this story and stop being comfortable with a monthly salary, step up now , If you have a problem with my view feel free to PM me and I will tell you the same wherever whenever.. Do your f**king jobs or Liburd will come out the underground and pip you to a story that was right there personally asked for you to do by the Coach himself
If we were a serious country we would have a 1 hour long programme on TV 6 etc at 8pm with all the experts analysing this and going deeper into it but we dont care .. I can bet my life the news will only air about 2 minutes of this passionate rant and the anchor would laugh after and that would be the end of it
DO YOUR f**kING JOBS
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The Coach getting on bad - It seems that he really cares and he has the interest of the players.
Well he has opened a can of worms re salary and exploitation.
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Coach is starting to speak out about some of the dotishness going on in T&T football between the agents, clubs and players!
Glad how he chastised the media for not writing about what is happening with the football agents exploiting our players!!
We need more stories from them about that, yuh right Pfister!
This coach might be a God send for T&T football if he hangs around long enough and keeps speaking out about the dotishiness going on provided they continue to pay him!
He seems to care more about the football than the money!!
He's now got my 100% support to stay on even if we lose to Guyana which I prayer that we don't!!
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wha pfister talking 'bout? we player is just lazy shitongs..deh eh good
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ah like how he call out Bradley... one ordinary sh!thong... but he getting to play all over
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Pfister make alot of sense here but my question is... Are the clubs forcing these players out on these trials or is it the players choice to take those opportunities?? I wonder if for alot of those players, the unfortunate fact is that those options are the best they have available to them. I'm happy that Otto believes in our talent but if these men can't excel in the MLS and USL why is he so confident they can cut it in the bigger European leagues??
Better to go and try ah hand in India, Vietnam or Outer Mongolia than stay here in the pro league and sweat for peanuts. He is right in that this route not going to get them recognized, but men have to eat ah food at the end of the day.
The bigger issue is unscrupulous agents which is a problem worldwide. Can't believe that in this day and age, big men signing paperwork without even reading it. Did i hear him say Clyde Leon's contract was in spanish and got cancelled on a whim?! Wow.
We need to find some way to get better agents with better contacts to expose our players to.
Look at Darryl Roberts for example, the only thing holding his career back is lack of a good agent.
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notice otto refers to it as "our football"...seems very frustrated. Really seems like players just following so called agents advice blindly. Man like clyde leon doh know what he gettin paid and goin quite vietnam?! daz madness!
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Oooh Guude. Lik-e-ting.
Thank you Pfister. TNT needs some Pride in their abilities and to do the right thing.
I am ashamed it takes a foreigner to throw this in our faces. But they wouldn't listen to a locall so here we go.
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ah like how he call out Bradley... one ordinary sh!thong... but he getting to play all over
nah boy, that man have touches.
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Oooh Guude. Lik-e-ting.
Thank you Pfister. TNT needs some Pride in their abilities and to do the right thing.
I am ashamed it takes a foreigner to throw this in our faces. But they wouldn't listen to a locall so here we go.
the man old, he ent care who toes he mash
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The bigger issue is unscrupulous agents which is a problem worldwide. Can't believe that in this day and age, big men signing paperwork without even reading it. Did i hear him say Clyde Leon's contract was in spanish and got cancelled on a whim?! Wow.
We need to find some way to get better agents with better contacts to expose our players to.
Look at Darryl Roberts for example, the only thing holding his career back is lack of a good agent.
And this is one area that an organization like FPATT would have been useful.
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"This Molino now its very hard for him first time but I have talent . He have a million dollars in the legs"
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Otto is absolutely correct! And he is responding to the pressures of preparing his team in the face of such difficulties. However, to be fair, let's remember that there are other pressures at play here - a) the desperate need of local clubs to sell players abroad at virtually any price in order to survive financially, and b) the desperate urge of local players to accept virtually any improvement in salary above and beyond what they receive in the TT Pro League, also in order to survive financially, to handle domestic responsibilities, etc. These are REAL pressures and frankly, when a foreign club (Viet Namese, Indian, MLS, etc.) comes calling via one of the so-called "agents' - and there are many floating around sweet TNT, (husslers, really) - it is well nigh impossible to resist the paltry sums these clubs offer (TTD 3 and 4 thousand a month, pittances by global standards). THIS is the reality on the ground. It's difficult to overcome these pressures and we have to work together to do so.
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Thats what we need, a coach with a professional attitude to change the whole mindset and trickery of the football brains in our country. The coach damn right....i support him 100%
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The bigger issue is unscrupulous agents which is a problem worldwide. Can't believe that in this day and age, big men signing paperwork without even reading it. Did i hear him say Clyde Leon's contract was in spanish and got cancelled on a whim?! Wow.
We need to find some way to get better agents with better contacts to expose our players to.
Look at Darryl Roberts for example, the only thing holding his career back is lack of a good agent.
And this is one area that an organization like FPATT would have been useful.
Family Planning Association of Tdad and Tbgo ah eh c how dey could help.
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Agents = PIMPS
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bradley is an alright player...he looks good in that holding midfielder role for chievo..plays some near pirlo-esque forward passes..i seem to have soft spots for any american playing outside usa.....except dempsey and donovan...i dont see how more of our players cant sign for mid table clubs especially in italy...pfister is right...fellas signing and they dont even know the tax regime? chupes...
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notice otto refers to it as "our football"...seems very frustrated. Really seems like players just following so called agents advice blindly. Man like clyde leon doh know what he gettin paid and goin quite vietnam?! daz madness!
This is why they should have all joined FPATT!
Doh understand what our players waiting on to join up and have a strong organisation to fight their corner!
Unity is strength & lack of unity means you are open to exploitation!
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Pfister make alot of sense here but my question is... Are the clubs forcing these players out on these trials or is it the players choice to take those opportunities?? I wonder if for alot of those players, the unfortunate fact is that those options are the best they have available to them. I'm happy that Otto believes in our talent but if these men can't excel in the MLS and USL why is he so confident they can cut it in the bigger European leagues??
Better to go and try ah hand in India, Vietnam or Outer Mongolia than stay here in the pro league and sweat for peanuts. He is right in that this route not going to get them recognized, but men have to eat ah food at the end of the day.
The bigger issue is unscrupulous agents which is a problem worldwide. Can't believe that in this day and age, big men signing paperwork without even reading it. Did i hear him say Clyde Leon's contract was in spanish and got cancelled on a whim?! Wow.
We need to find some way to get better agents with better contacts to expose our players to.
Look at Darryl Roberts for example, the only thing holding his career back is lack of a good agent.
Dinho, what i got from his rant , and rightfully so, is that the USA leagues don't get any respect from european clubs, in other words, europe is where the big bucks is, and players who play in the US leagues rarely get chances to ply their trade in europe bc they don't see that league as being competitive enough.
what i also got from what he said, is that the players are not making enough money in india and the USA and were being up rooted to play for the same amount of money they make here and the motivation is the transfer money, he was also passed off with the way they take players away from him to go on trial right in the middle of qualifying and then he has to go find new players to fill the void.
he was also pissed off with the lack of preparation "friendlies" in the early part of the speech. another thing i gather is that these agents are sh!t hounds, hence the reason they only have clout in america and lower leagues over the world, remember when he spoke about ac millan and the president getting ah phone call , and him asking the person "who are you, what's your name" meaning that these agents who using these boys are relative unknowns in the football world, and we have enough talent here that these boys could play in big clubs in europe and this trial business is nonsense and that scouts should just be able to sign these boys without them being trailist.
he also said that our players are good enough to play in europe, and molino has million dollar legs. anyway, it's about time someone with balls had something to say to these fackin bobtail monkeys down in boot land, these fackin clowns make he sick the muddacant and dem, they have so much and they do soooooo little with what they got. :puking:
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ah like how he call out Bradley... one ordinary sh!thong... but he getting to play all over
nah boy, that man have touches.
He did not and was not doggin bradley, if anything i think he was commending bradley, but the problem was that players who ply their trade in the US go unrecognized, and used bradley as an example. he was also saying that the US leagues is not sufficient financially and developmentally.
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i like how he singled out the express reporter ..i feel its the one who wrote the article below...for the life of me when i first saw the article i didnt know what it was...this man just take a lil section in d papers to write this bit of uneducated foolishness...it was soome of d most shit i ever read in a while...was it a report? was it an editorial? was it an opinion? fack prescott..
Edwards wasted at left back
By —Ian Prescott
Story Created: Sep 7, 2011 at 11:49 PM ECT
Story Updated: Sep 7, 2011 at 11:49 PM ECT
THE creative talent of Carlos Edwards is wasted in defence - especially as left back.
Since Russell Latapy left the game, the Trinidad and Tobago have struggled to get a creative force in central midfield. Densill Theobald, Khaleem Hyland and Chris Birchall can all pass the ball around on their day, but which one can break down a defence a la Lionel Messi? The closest may be Hughton Hector on a good day, but definitely Edwards, who has done it at times when he abandoned left back and pushed up centre field.
Edwards has that ability to turn multiple players with simple feints. He passes the ball well, can find his teammates, and can also score goals. Shouldn't he be tried further upfield?
Young left-back Akeem Adams was obviously nervous in the friendly against India, but is surely good enough to play against the likes of Barbados, freeing Edwards to push further up the field.
Think about the prospect of Edwards linking with Hayden Tinto and any of Keon Daniel, Hector or Lester Peltier on either side. At the same time Birchall, Clyde Leon, Theobald, or even Hyland are possible substitutes for Edwards, or can play behind him as a defensive midfielder.
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blame jack warner
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Well, finally Pfister has won over the supporters.
As much as I felt Mike Berry wasn't always working in players best interests, he was 100% better than what we have now! TTFF should insist agents be licensed. Remember FPATT wanted to create a list of recommended agents? This is why.
Its difficult for players who could earn more overseas, but they are really not aware of their own potential. And, yes, clubs need to sell to survive, but it has to be the right move for the player too.
I am so pleased Pfister has the balls and passion to speak out. We need more people exposing these practices to the press, and, just as important, we need the press to report these cases.
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Bold statement by Otto. I'm not surprised.. in a country that has lost its way. Its like a jungle, survival of the fittest, its about making a dollar above everything else... I understand clubs depend on these transactions to survive, but if Otto is correct, why are our clubs dealing with agents who are not registered or licensed with FIFA? or, are the clubs acting as the agents?
Who is this Dion Sosa fella who was responsible for sending Primus to one of them .....istan? Can anyone elaborate on that with regards to Mr Sosa's experience, qualifications etc.
We should be ashamed, it took a foreigner, an old washed up German coach to come here and open our eyes. Otto was pleading to the media to help HIM! Well boi Otto, it seems like we cyah even help weself.
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Otto is absolutely correct! And he is responding to the pressures of preparing his team in the face of such difficulties. However, to be fair, let's remember that there are other pressures at play here - a) the desperate need of local clubs to sell players abroad at virtually any price in order to survive financially, and b) the desperate urge of local players to accept virtually any improvement in salary above and beyond what they receive in the TT Pro League, also in order to survive financially, to handle domestic responsibilities, etc. These are REAL pressures and frankly, when a foreign club (Viet Namese, Indian, MLS, etc.) comes calling via one of the so-called "agents' - and there are many floating around sweet TNT, (husslers, really) - it is well nigh impossible to resist the paltry sums these clubs offer (TTD 3 and 4 thousand a month, pittances by global standards). THIS is the reality on the ground. It's difficult to overcome these pressures and we have to work together to do so.
Yuh know what i got from this rant? that this man maybe had enough and is on his way out the door of his own choosing.
what brought to this conclusion is when he said in the interview that this might be the last time he sits @ this desk (meaning the press conference),say it isn't so, bc i know how my ppl is, hence the reason i left and never came back, and not trying to anytime soon. doesn't mean i don't love and miss my country dearly, it's just that i irks me tuh see how much we have and is blessed with, and how little we make use of it.
i think maybe otto is @ thas point and wants out, cant say that i blame him if he does, bc these lazy complaisant kakh@les in trinbago will turn of the devil himself with their lack of anything progressive disposition. hope he stays, bc i love this coach, best coach we had in over a decade, maybe ever.
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Not sure why everyone is falling over congratulating Pfister. Yes, the players' contractual circumstances are horrible but the TTFF is as much if not more to blame than the clubs. If the TTFF paid their players and treated them properly, the young men wouldn't be in such a hurry to jump at every bs tryout or contract that is offered abroad. Furthermore, the clubs own the players' rights and the players are grown men who have no business signing contracts in a foreign language. Plus, the TTFF should license and regulate player agents who conduct work in T&T. Have our standards gotten so low that we hailing someone who is stating the obvious?
If the national coach wants full control over the movement of national team players, the TTFF should do what the US did in the 90s, place all the players under contract with the TTFF. Unfortunately, the TTFF in it's present form can never carry out such an arrangement. All the more reason to seek to have the entire federation replaced.
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ah like how he call out Bradley... one ordinary sh!thong... but he getting to play all over
nah boy, that man have touches.
He did not and was not doggin bradley, if anything i think he was commending bradley, but the problem was that players who ply their trade in the US go unrecognized, and used bradley as an example. he was also saying that the US leagues is not sufficient financially and developmentally.
He is still ah sh!thong though.
My name is FF and I am a hater!
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Football is war!
I agree that some of those leagues are a waste of time, but I understand that if the money is better, that the players will go there.
Why Otto doh send he boy Kendall to the Bundesliga? Surely he has some contacts.
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If Oto is going beserk, it is certainly not against the fans, but the TTFF. When he was on the outside he thought he could deals with the TTFF. But now he in the fire, it appears to be uncontrollable. Just dealing with Jack, Camps, Roberts and the politics and then have to deal with the football issues(overseas players, local players, unfit players, NO FRIENDLY MATCHES. Who would not go beserk. Well Latas did not!!! But seriously, allyuh did not see that coming. I hope allyuh don't blame the coach and players on this campaign. Point it to the TTFF.
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Do like the US and put all the players under contract? That will be more bachannal. The TTFF is in no position to do this. First we MUST know who is in control. Jack or Camps. So when there are questions to be asked, we don't have to point to Jack. Who says is Camps. Who says he has to consult with the special advisor. An organization that can't show proper financial statements over a 25 year period or 4 year cycle. You are entrusting them to have a contractual whip over the players. I really doh want to bring the slavery analogy.
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Kudos to Otto... without watching the vid I was prepared to be a skeptic, but his passion is incredible. He clearly not just here to pick up a paycheck. There is much truth to what he's saying... but if I understand him correctly, part of his gripe is the sending of players to these far corners of the world on trial... he says the big clubs don't bring players in on trial, they come to scout the player with his club. Well, we eh have that kinda profile that bigger teams will fly in to scout our players.
He also griping against the local agents that nobody knows them... well how do we get the bigger name agents involved in our players? Players fire agents all the time... if these locals really have "millions in their legs" then maybe Otto should invite a couple European-based agents to come scout them.
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ah like how he call out Bradley... one ordinary sh!thong... but he getting to play all over
nah boy, that man have touches.
He did not and was not doggin bradley, if anything i think he was commending bradley, but the problem was that players who ply their trade in the US go unrecognized, and used bradley as an example. he was also saying that the US leagues is not sufficient financially and developmentally.
He is still ah sh!thong though.
My name is FF and I am a hater!
Listen soldier, i wasn't gettin in yuh way, i was just clarifying the coach's statement, that's all. ;)
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Not sure why everyone is falling over congratulating Pfister. Yes, the players' contractual circumstances are horrible but the TTFF is as much if not more to blame than the clubs. If the TTFF paid their players and treated them properly, the young men wouldn't be in such a hurry to jump at every bs tryout or contract that is offered abroad. Furthermore, the clubs own the players' rights and the players are grown men who have no business signing contracts in a foreign language. Plus, the TTFF should license and regulate player agents who conduct work in T&T. Have our standards gotten so low that we hailing someone who is stating the obvious?
If the national coach wants full control over the movement of national team players, the TTFF should do what the US did in the 90s, place all the players under contract with the TTFF. Unfortunately, the TTFF in it's present form can never carry out such an arrangement. All the more reason to seek to have the entire federation replaced.
Does the TTFF pay the players on a weekly or monthly basis? These local clubs are the ones to blame. If they have players contracted to them, why don't they have other clubs come look at them play in their own league, if they are that desperate to sell. Otto brought up a good point about teams like Barca or Man.United not sending their contracted players on trials to other clubs lol only in T&T yuh does see this BS!!! Is the Pro league in season? if so why the hell yuh have players going on trials during the season?
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wow wow i like the coach, it shows how tnt football are and where it's going. I hope he don't quit
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Ok first of all.....I'm finding it real hard to understand what he's saying under the heavy German accent. I have to listen to this about three times for it to make sense. Fuentes might have to add some sub titles for we in future yes.....
Next thing, I think I tuned out after he said "our best midfielder Densil....." Wow!! my brain was mentally trying to comprehend that which is probably why I can't understand anything he said after that.....whey Kiffy??!! :o ;D
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Kudos to Otto... without watching the vid I was prepared to be a skeptic, but his passion is incredible. He clearly not just here to pick up a paycheck. There is much truth to what he's saying... but if I understand him correctly, part of his gripe is the sending of players to these far corners of the world on trial... he says the big clubs don't bring players in on trial, they come to scout the player with his club. Well, we eh have that kinda profile that bigger teams will fly in to scout our players.
He also griping against the local agents that nobody knows them... well how do we get the bigger name agents involved in our players? Players fire agents all the time... if these locals really have "millions in their legs" then maybe Otto should invite a couple European-based agents to come scout them.
Bakes about we not having that kinda profile for big team scouts to come here. I can personally tell you that they do. A certain "nobody in the football world" actually got scouts to come watch a few of us in Mayaro when Collin Samuel get picked up. That person also recommended a player name Sherwin Lee to them, but he had a choice to make between attending national U20 training or coming to a trial match to be seen aswell. Well he picked U20 and that was the end of that. My point is, big or small team scouts are always traveling the world to discover young talent. Otto is right about these ass hole clubs sending their players on trial, why can't they be seen by a scout or send tapes to clubs outside T&T to show the kind of talent that they might have to offer?.
This also had me thinking, how did Yorke get picked up playing here?
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@Brownsugar: pls stop it, u fully understand what d man is saying love. u know football cuz i heard u on i 955fm so pls stop u sounding like dem black americans trying to make a mockery of west indies people. d man just protecting the interest of our young players and their talent. if u r a parent u would understand, only a concern parent will show interest in the development of someone. and u know what , it's not just football is the problem, is the mentality of our people is corrupting the nation talent... but that's other story in itself.
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Not sure why everyone is falling over congratulating Pfister. Yes, the players' contractual circumstances are horrible but the TTFF is as much if not more to blame than the clubs. If the TTFF paid their players and treated them properly, the young men wouldn't be in such a hurry to jump at every bs tryout or contract that is offered abroad. Furthermore, the clubs own the players' rights and the players are grown men who have no business signing contracts in a foreign language. Plus, the TTFF should license and regulate player agents who conduct work in T&T. Have our standards gotten so low that we hailing someone who is stating the obvious?
If the national coach wants full control over the movement of national team players, the TTFF should do what the US did in the 90s, place all the players under contract with the TTFF. Unfortunately, the TTFF in it's present form can never carry out such an arrangement. All the more reason to seek to have the entire federation replaced.
Does the TTFF pay the players on a weekly or monthly basis? These local clubs are the ones to blame. If they have players contracted to them, why don't they have other clubs come look at them play in their own league, if they are that desperate to sell. Otto brought up a good point about teams like Barca or Man.United not sending their contracted players on trials to other clubs lol only in T&T yuh does see this BS!!! Is the Pro league in season? if so why the hell yuh have players going on trials during the season?
The TTFF are supposed to pay a stipend to the players after every match. For decades, the federation has made a sport out of bobbin and weavin out of paying players their money.
I understand what Otto is saying and he is correct, in part. First, FIFA no longer licenses agents, they have left that task up to the local federation. As for big clubs sending their players on tryouts, you can't compare big clubs like Man U to teams like Superstar Rangers. And yes, some of these clubs do send some of their contracted players on trials. Quite a few from South America come to MLS under such circumstances. Though there may be a great deal of mismanagement at play with the clubs they do have obligations and bills to pay as well. Another thing we should ask is whether T&T is a large enough market to properly sustain a full-fledged professional outfit. I have my doubts. I'm curious to know if there is any country of 1.5 million or less people that has a thriving professional football league?
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Bakes about we not having that kinda profile for big team scouts to come here. I can personally tell you that they do. A certain "nobody in the football world" actually got scouts to come watch a few of us in Mayaro when Collin Samuel get picked up. That person also recommended a player name Sherwin Lee to them, but he had a choice to make between attending national U20 training or coming to a trial match to be seen aswell. Well he picked U20 and that was the end of that. My point is, big or small team scouts are always traveling the world to discover young talent. Otto is right about these ass hole clubs sending their players on trial, why can't they be seen by a scout or send tapes to clubs outside T&T to show the kind of talent that they might have to offer?.
This also had me thinking, how did Yorke get picked up playing here?
Collin Samuel was recommended by a BP employee who was a Falkirk fan. He was seen by Falkirk coaches when they came to T&T to conduct clinics on behalf of BP.
Yorke was picked up by Villa after they saw him in action while they were on a pre-season tour of T&T.
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@Brownsugar: pls stop it, u fully understand what d man is saying love. u know football cuz i heard u on i 955fm so pls stop u sounding like dem black americans trying to make a mockery of west indies people. d man just protecting the interest of our young players and their talent. if u r a parent u would understand, only a concern parent will show interest in the development of someone. and u know what , it's not just football is the problem, is the mentality of our people is corrupting the nation talent... but that's other story in itself.
Madness, I only have some idea of what he is saying from what other forumites have posted and I haven't read all the posts. I just skimmed through and got an idea of what he said. I really, really, really can't understand what he is saying because of his accent. I have to focus intently on what he is saying and I eh have the time or patience for that right now.
I wasn't trying to discredit what he said, I eh even know what he say..... :)
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It seems to me like he is being an advocate for the players and calling on the media to investigate these agents.
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One issue here is us! If we think its not worth sending scouts here, clubs will feel the same. Pfister worked throughout Africa & Asia and saw scouts from EPL and European clubs.
Big clubs should send scouts on a trip across the Caribbean. 3 days in T&T, 3 in Jamaica, a day in other islands. Then the best talent can be invited on trial. It can be done.
Believe it or not, T&T has a globally known big time coach. TTFF should encourage him to contact his links in Europe and invite scouts over. This will benefit him as a coach because players will develop better at bigger clubs.
Many of these overseas clubs taking our players are no better than ProLeague teams, but the disadvantage is different playing styles, language barriers and diet changes.
I know players who played in Iceland, Finland, Lebanon, China, Serbia and they all say that the standard was much the same. Yes, they earned more money, but all could have received more caps as they often were not called back due to cost. Less caps equals less value and fewer chances to be spotted. Trust me, there aren't many scouts in Iceland or Serbia!
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Our players MUST continue to go on try-outs, let them sit down here and wait for scouts to come see them. Watching a player play in OUR PFL and on our National team will only get them so far. For the many that don't get a look in on the national team need to be pro-active in making themselves known and accessible to would be clubs.
Can't see how that's a bad thing. Did not listen to the interview, but what i gather is that Pfister has a problem with not having exclusive access to players. I could be wrong, but that's the drift I get from what everyone saying. Where in the world is far? Look at what Brazil doing now. They are playing there friendlies in Europe. I know we are not Brazil.
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Forget coaching... Otto for TTFF president !!!!!!Fire in his bones. Dat is Passion!!! you'll realize the media people clap him after? I never see dat before.
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Kudos to Otto... without watching the vid I was prepared to be a skeptic, but his passion is incredible. He clearly not just here to pick up a paycheck. There is much truth to what he's saying... but if I understand him correctly, part of his gripe is the sending of players to these far corners of the world on trial... he says the big clubs don't bring players in on trial, they come to scout the player with his club. Well, we eh have that kinda profile that bigger teams will fly in to scout our players.
He also griping against the local agents that nobody knows them... well how do we get the bigger name agents involved in our players? Players fire agents all the time... if these locals really have "millions in their legs" then maybe Otto should invite a couple European-based agents to come scout them.
Bakes about we not having that kinda profile for big team scouts to come here. I can personally tell you that they do. A certain "nobody in the football world" actually got scouts to come watch a few of us in Mayaro when Collin Samuel get picked up. That person also recommended a player name Sherwin Lee to them, but he had a choice to make between attending national U20 training or coming to a trial match to be seen aswell. Well he picked U20 and that was the end of that. My point is, big or small team scouts are always traveling the world to discover young talent. Otto is right about these ass hole clubs sending their players on trial, why can't they be seen by a scout or send tapes to clubs outside T&T to show the kind of talent that they might have to offer?.
This also had me thinking, how did Yorke get picked up playing here?
That story is well-known... Villa played a series of friendlies against the Strike squad.
If the local clubs get a request to send a player on trial and the clubs decline and instead tell the foreign teams "no, allyuh come to Trinidad instead" and that opportunity goes by the wayside every manjack will criticize the club.
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As an aside, was de man sittin' next to him doing some interpreting when he was whispering in Otto's ear?
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I know players who played in Iceland, Finland, Lebanon, China, Serbia and they all say that the standard was much the same. Yes, they earned more money, but all could have received more caps as they often were not called back due to cost. Less caps equals less value and fewer chances to be spotted. Trust me, there aren't many scouts in Iceland or Serbia!
I find this extremely hard to believe.
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What is the national association doing to protect our players from these so call unregistered agents? They have to get a release from TTFF to play abroad.Years ago we had a player playing in Indonesia and his mother had to go crying to Jack please get meh son out because they were taking advantage of him.not even paying him.Jack use his FIFA authority to bring him back home.
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Okay I just listened to the interview. Fellas I am sorry, but all this is is Pfister givining information. He must care about the location of players as his reputation and job is at stake here if he cannot access the players he need.
We need to be real, 99.9% of our players will not or are not capable of playing at top teams around the big leagues. Look how men dog Scotty but none, absolutely none of the current players can take his spot on that Championship team. This is a reality. Therefore, our player will have to travel to smaller clubs who does not have the resources to have scouts around the world. They will have to market themselves. Our league is known and thanks to Dwight Yorke, there maybe be some eyes on our league and National team. At present our National team is not up to par and has not played quality opponents in a long time. Our league is struggling, can't even keep a schedule, how are scouts to keep up with all this, better yet why should they bother?
people get carried away to quickly with simple things. Men so desperate, that they will grasp at anything to way a flag of success. Players will have a desire to play at the next level. How long should they sit at home hoping, waiting, guessing that a scout may see them?Pfister is coming out of Africa where top clubs have massive networks of coaches and scouts. He cannot equate that to T&T. The african Nation is notorious for producing top players, that is no secret. We have produce 1.
I think we get carried away to easily.
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Ah just went over this clip again bc i couldn't believe what i was hearing the first time, and tuh tell yuh the truth, this man is ah testament to all the lack of care givers it have in T&T!
for yrs i tried but couldn't put my finger on it, now after struggling to identify and put in words what i mean't in my head, here comes ah white man from ah country with ah history of bigotry and hatred, but have more care and concern for our little black boys than the blacks boys who had it worst and passed this way before, but never offered their experience wisdom, and most af all, CARE!!!
from tiger to latas, them men sat down quietly and drank from the spring of life and didn't bother to offer another not even as much as ah sip!
i eh go lie, i was never no football player, yes i played yute football in ah kiddie savannah league, under 14 football in school and tried out for the under 19 team, but that was it, i was never no football player, yes i was good @ it and if i had the right care givers i probably would've been able to play semi pro savanah ball, but nothing more than that, but what i was really good @ was cricket, and that i did well and probably if i had the right ppl to guide me "care givers", i probabaly would've made it all the way to english county , even international cricket!
ah guess the point i trying to make is that trinbago lacks active care giving ppl! what ah society of self servers! half of those babies who are involved in crime are all victims of ah lack of care! allyuh could go ahead and laugh if allyuh want, and maybe that's bc yuhs are soooo used to it that it seem normal and most likely goes unnoticed.
it's like telling the average american that they are a self absorbed ppl, most will beg to differ bc it's natural to them, and part of their societal make up, i even see it in my babies and they've just arrived here not too long ago. only someone who is foreign to that culture would be able to identify that flaw, but to the natives, it goes undetected in most cases.
IMO T&T is ah society that lacks care, or even worst, don't comprehend what it means to be caring. it's also ah very "i've made it look @ me, who the hell are you" kind of society. ppl seldom look back to uplift their fellow man. i had this problem the last time i was in trini. no matter where i go i received negative attention especially from proprietors, and i could only chalk it up to my accent.
more than likely i speak with an american accent, that's bc since i've been here in the US which is close to 25 yrs, i've interacted with mainly american ppl. i've been married quite ah few times to american women, i've also worked and coexisted with americans so i've picked up the accent, and it's a hard habit to break,
sometimes i even find myself speaking to my relatives with the accent. so as ah result ppl take offense to it especially in trinidad, and i believe it's bc there are trinis who come back home for carnival and behave like they live in heaven and the local ppl live in hell.
i've seen them, in their sunday best trying their damnest to keep up appearance with their pretentiousness and it's truly a turn of to behold, but that's what trinis do even right on the island, they pull rank on each other.
and the reason for that is cultural, yes our culture, trini culture! trinis are a, look@ me i've made it, kind of ppl, and we tend to condescend on the ppl we came through the ranks with. instead of reaching out and showing the way, we tend to be exclusive and enjoy being in the top dog position.
that's bc we lack care, and we are clueless as to what care giving truly means. this german white man on the other hand comes from a society of know hows, they pride themselves on being the best @ what they do and they do tend to share their experience and knowledge with the up and coming generation,
that's why he was surprised @ the way they do things here, i'm sure to him, IMO, it was like monkeys walking and pissing on gold, bc they are oblivious to the value thereoff and don't know how to refine their resources. i'm sure he had to say something, bc in his world it's madness, ppl don't treat their precious commodity like that, instead they nurture it.
this is why i give him credit , and it also reflected shamefully on ppl like LATAS ! YORKE! LINCOLN PHILLIPS!, ALVIN CORNEAL AND ALL THE BIG FACKIN TALKERS OF FOOTBALL, BC THEY STOOD BY AND DID NOTHING, AND SAID NOTHING for yrs and yrs and yrs! that's bc they lack care and are not care givers.
just look @ jamaica forinstance, they have less than us in money, art, culture and even sports, but they excel and has been excelling us now for a while, they nurture their resources, and we don't, that's bc we lack care, and we are not care givers in the least. from where i stand, i don't see this changing anytime soon TBH, and for this reason only, i'm truly sorry for the up and coming generations. real sad these ppl.
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You said don't respond but that is good so far. The theme of care giver
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Old man Otto's blood pressure goin through the roof....he really heated. That was crazy. " I ask the boy his salary..he doh know". I ask the boy how much tax? he doh know" "I ask, how much was the transfer fee? he doh know" " they treat the boys like animal"...lol serious rant
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Trinibago football is dieing a slow death
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I like how Otto speaking out ......tell dem Pfister...tell dem!
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allyuh sure otto daddy wasnt third reich,man soundin dread but he right.we need this sort of mentality,we too f**kin laid back....heil.
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Otto is absolutely right. But here is part of the problem! The TTFF has abdicated part of its responsibility and has made no effort to expose local players to international clubs. This can happen in the following ways:
1. Invite big clubs to come and play friendlies against us. This happened frequently years ago.
2. Invite countries to come and play against our national team. (We have not had a friendly in two years. The USA has had at least 8 this years alone and 3 in the last month.)
3. Organize friendlies away so our players can be exposed to to other countries and their leagues.
4. Organize friendlies for our youth teams so they could be seen early and get invitations to play overseas
Then, our players have to be educated and strongly encouraged to avoid some far off places where the leagues and social systems are so different from home that going there will hinder national call ups and inhibit their development. Not ever dollar is worth chasing.
But our football association has done nothing but fight down our players and try to pump their egos and line their pockets. So the whole issue boils down to poor organization, and you can tell that Pfister is already extremely frustrated by what he sees.
I hope Clyde Leon, Theobald, and Roberts find better offers closer home.
Go Soca Warriors! We want two wins against Guyana.
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I understand Otto fustration. But what allyuh or he wants to players to do? if the club or agents work up a deal and it appears to be more money for the player, then more than likely he will take the offer. in the past we used to criticise players for wanting to play only in the "comfort zone" of English and Scotish football. We all used to say(even me) that they should try the continent, with the thinking that anything is better that the local pro-league. Don't say I lie, becuase all of us use to say players dying a slow death that at home and should explore foreign. Well that is what we get. Is it good or bad. Well it bad for WC coach.
And saying TTFF should step and look after players interest is a joke. With some exceptions, jack, camps and company has no middle leg to stand on when it come to transfer of players overseas. The local clubs are not benevolent societies. They are trying to make as much money. And don't try to compare them with Premier league clubs. It is like chalk and cheese.
A next thing is that we hardly go overseas to play friendlies so that guys can be seen by foreign clubs. JA does travel all over the world. They have much more players playing in foreign. They does arrange match in London. How the f--k jack can't do that for TT. He is(was) a big in FIFA. How come TT never play Switzerland, Belgium, Holland, Andorra, Lux, NI, etc. Maturana was we coach and we never arrange a game against Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia. This a FIFA VP and he can't squeeze one of them balls to get a couple friendlies to showcase our talent. He know how to squeeze the local balls, though.
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I understand Otto fustration. But what allyuh or he wants to players to do? if the club or agents work up a deal and it appears to be more money for the player, then more than likely he will take the offer. in the past we used to criticise players for wanting to play only in the "comfort zone" of English and Scotish football. We all used to say(even me) that they should try the continent, with the thinking that anything is better that the local pro-league. Don't say I lie, becuase all of us use to say players dying a slow death that at home and should explore foreign. Well that is what we get. Is it good or bad. Well it bad for WC coach.
I think the main part of Pfister frustration is that a player will miss a WCQ on an international date to go on a trial. I don't know. But where else in the World does that happen? That they're going to "nothing leagues" that, are far away, and making little money adds insult to injury because he sees that they're being exploited. But, I don't think his beef is just that they're travelling far and wide. It's more that agents are doing whatever they want, whenever they want and "treating the players like animals".
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I love Pfister!! We need a transcript of this ASAP
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as much as i sympathize with the plight of our players, they were foolish not to look to the power of collective bargining such as that offered by fpatt. groden is under investigation, camps near passing out in court, jack's power is greatly dimished, ttff broke, their zonal base is being eroded and the players finally have a poweful ally in a coach that appears to give damn beyond salary considerations and who will not punish them selection-wise for not bowing and scraping before the federation.
sympathy does not feed your family. the time to capitalize is right now. getting fpatt or something similar revamped should be a priority item among players and their representatives. it won't be easy, even the referees fighting tooth and nail to organize a collective with teeth. but it has to be done and soon.
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Well Otto saying men getting treated like animals. We believe him. But let's say a player come back home and reported that he was treated like an animal. You know what the response from the site would be. he is ah f--king wimp. All he thinking is about party in TT. Wim was right, all he want to is sit under a coconut tree and drink some rum. TT players eh have guts.
Listen TT players are not the only one going to faraway places. All them leagues full of Brazilians and African and JAs. Yes, I do agree about scrutinising, players' agents, contracts,etc. But TTFF eh know they toe from they 2 knees at this moment. Wait until the Chinese get in the act of importing players. They have money too. So if a man get a good contract to play in China, is gone he gone.
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as much as i sympathize with the plight of our players, they were foolish not to look to the power of collective bargining such as that offered by fpatt. groden is under investigation, camps near passing out in court, jack's power is greatly dimished, ttff broke, their zonal base is being eroded and the players finally have a poweful ally in a coach that appears to give damn beyond salary considerations and who will not punish them selection-wise for not bowing and scraping before the federation.
sympathy does not feed your family. the time to capitalize is right now. getting fpatt or something similar revamped should be a priority item among players and their representatives. it won't be easy, even the referees fighting tooth and nail to organize a collective with teeth. but it has to be done and soon.
I agree with that somewhat. But FPATT will always have a hard time getting players to join. The gov't teams more than likely will not join FPATT. Police, DF, TTEC, WASA. If all the teams were non-gov't teams, I can see that happening.
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Player Education should be a major push by the TTFF and required to clubs. Exposure, exposure, exposure.
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Only a small segment are gov players. Fpatt should be a force.
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Right now on ESPN2 "The Dotted Line" is being aired. It's about sports agent and their role in sport.
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Otto is absolutely correct! And he is responding to the pressures of preparing his team in the face of such difficulties. However, to be fair, let's remember that there are other pressures at play here - a) the desperate need of local clubs to sell players abroad at virtually any price in order to survive financially, and b) the desperate urge of local players to accept virtually any improvement in salary above and beyond what they receive in the TT Pro League, also in order to survive financially, to handle domestic responsibilities, etc. These are REAL pressures and frankly, when a foreign club (Viet Namese, Indian, MLS, etc.) comes calling via one of the so-called "agents' - and there are many floating around sweet TNT, (husslers, really) - it is well nigh impossible to resist the paltry sums these clubs offer (TTD 3 and 4 thousand a month, pittances by global standards). THIS is the reality on the ground. It's difficult to overcome these pressures and we have to work together to do so.
Yuh know what i got from this rant? that this man maybe had enough and is on his way out the door of his own choosing.
what brought to this conclusion is when he said in the interview that this might be the last time he sits @ this desk (meaning the press conference),say it isn't so, bc i know how my ppl is, hence the reason i left and never came back, and not trying to anytime soon. doesn't mean i don't love and miss my country dearly, it's just that i irks me tuh see how much we have and is blessed with, and how little we make use of it.
i think maybe otto is @ thas point and wants out, cant say that i blame him if he does, bc these lazy complaisant kakh@les in trinbago will turn of the devil himself with their lack of anything progressive disposition. hope he stays, bc i love this coach, best coach we had in over a decade, maybe ever.
JC, I believe dat there could be another angle to the "it will be the last time yuh talking to me" comment. It was the media he was talking to. I get the feeling that he was trying to get them to join de fight or he would not be doing anymore press conferences with them or for them. As in get involved or move out the way or better yet.. he'll move out of their way!
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Something else I got from otto's Rant is that I believe he has now instilled a caring for his players that will prompt them to give him even more on the field. Tactical?, and if so I applaud him. Is like when ah coach come out and take one on de knuckles for de team. It get the boys fired up to defend and impress the gaffer. Once again, a master stroke of genius from Otto-mattic!
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I agree with that somewhat. But FPATT will always have a hard time getting players to join. The gov't teams more than likely will not join FPATT. Police, DF, TTEC, WASA. If all the teams were non-gov't teams, I can see that happening.
Deeks, Trinidad and Tobago football is in a state of near collapse. There are many, many causes ranging from lack of attendence at games to league and zonal structures to aministrative/corporate philosophy. Much has to be re-evaluated, including the acceptable extent of government involvement in football whether its bailout money or team sponsorship. To paraphrase Mark Twain...sacred cows make the sweetest hamburger.
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The man made a lot of great points, which a lot have been already stated. I just want to say that in my 4 years of playing college soccer in the US I have seen the same things happen. Players come to universities and colleges and when they are not what the coaches expect or they get injured their scholarships are terminated. Seen it with student athletes from the Caribbean, Africa and Europe. This happens because the coaches know someone in the country and pay them some small money for the kids. Its real sad!! Football has a sad and dark under world when it comes to "agents". But Trinidad and Tobago have/had too many players that played overseas for there not to be a proper organization ie FPATT. This is a perfect time for FPATT to make a case to the players for a players association since they have the backing of an international coach who knows the ins and outs. :beermug:
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The Armed Forces cannot be unionized. That being said, two teams cannot provide players for FPATT. What about all the others? At the end of the day I think Zandolie made the point about a lot of things being wrong with T&T football. FPATT failed because local footballers were primarily scared of Jack Warner and in addition lacked the intelligence and "belly" to properly equip themselves. Despite assurances that caps were not a work permit issue (UK only) for a country ranked as low as us the threat of being blacklisted was too real for many of these players to overlook. A lot of the players selling themselves to ANY bidder, not necessarily the highest and clubs ready and willing to get the cash. A lack of transfer rules, procedures or an ability to enforce them also contributes to this problem. The TTFF never cared about a player's development, only what they can contribute to the national team. It's a really big mess and Pfister can't do anything to help it no matter what his rant because at the end of the day it is ingrained in our culture and will take a massive effort to change - not a couple minutes of emotional, if not pointed, observation.
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I think it's amazing how the most inappropriate thing is what we need the most. ;D I hope all stays true in T&T and he isn't fired. This is like theater and we're all watching the part in T&T football we've all been waiting for. Imagine what's happening inside the players when they watch this clip. Allyuh still fraid Mexico and CR?
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On the 'Theobald signs in India' thread I posed the question ... "any bets on how long this arrangement will last?" and left it at that ... (no harm Densill) ... That question was raised precisely because of practices associated with contractual arrangements.
As far as Leon's move to Colombia ... on that thread mention was made of the heightened role Colombia's pro player association (Acolfutpro) had been playing ... what I didn't state was that one of the prominent cases the players association had to deal with concerned a COL player who had experienced a world of problems in Iran related to a similar dilemma Leon finds himself in ...
In that case the club went as far as taking the player's passport ... documents provided by Acolfutpro indicate that the player signed a contract that obligated him to matters which he was unaware ... a Brazilian agent is said to have manipulated paperwork/signature of a contract written in Spanish that ostensibly obligated the player to a six month contract ... but which was later doctored to reflect a 2 year obligation to the club.
The player's only intermediary with the club was a Brazilian player who had been in Iran for 4 years ... he spoke Portuguese and Spanish but very limited English ... and apparently English was the language of communication with the club ... quite the cluster &*#*. The agent is also said to have "channeled" $$$ earned by Fonseca at his previous club in Indonesia.
This situation was also complicated by the fact that the player took his family to Iran with him :o ... his wife and 4 year old daughter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edison_Fonseca
I can't say that this stuff is surprising.
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Last I heard journalists clapping at a press conference was when Mandela gave a statement upon his release.
Pfister also validated my cynicism about the MLS as expressed on the Dwayne Rosario thread.
Highlights:
Densill ("best midfielder!!!) :)
Also, the undervaluation of our players ... doh fret ... help is on the way.
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yow star this mad look like he smoke sum good stuff and run up in di media room..
war
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yow star this mad look like he smoke sum good stuff and run up in di media room..
war
Wham war like yuh on kicks or what? remember this is serious business, ppl lives @stake, no skin up ting allowed.
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I LOVE IT!! I LOVE IT!!
The man call Denzil our "best midfielder." ;D
I eh know how our players will feel about him bussing files about their salaries.
But it's good to see a Coach with this kind of passion. :beermug: :beermug:
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Otto Pfister pleads for help.
By Andrew Gioannetti (Guardian).
National football coach Otto Pfister on Tuesday called on the media for assistance despite his team’s 4-0 shut-out of Barbados in the World Cup qualifier at the Hasely Crawford Stadium.
“If you don’t help me, this will be my last interview with you, because this is terrible,” Pfister said as he pleaded for help to get the local Pro League clubs to support his efforts and for the exploitation of several local players to stop.
Pfister, in an emotional post match press conference, spoke little of T&T’s impressive second half performance, but rather voiced his distaste at the manner in which Pro League clubs are allowing their players to leave for trials during his training camps.
Despite Lester Peltier’s hat-trick and Hughton Hector audacious chip over the Barbados goalkeeper for T&T’s late, fourth item, Pfister was in no mood to celebrate.
After being asked if he was relieved at the result, following last week’s 2-1 loss to Bermuda, Pfister said he was pleased with the result but noted T&T played under pressure for the first 20 minutes. “We took 20 minutes to come into the game.
We played a much better second half. We played the second half just like we do in training.” Pfister criticised Pro League clubs Caledonia AIA, W Connection and Super League outfit bmobile Joe Public for sending players off to trials during World Cup training camps.
He was visibly angry that Carlyle Mitchell left his camp to take up a contract in Colorado. “I am not happy with this. I will fight FIFA.” He noted that Densill Theobold was handled like an animal when Caledonia transferred him.
Pfister referred to W Connection’s Clyde Leon who is off to Vietnam after playing for Colombian club Itagui Ditaires. “He was in Colombia, he writes a two-year contract for $3,000 monthly.
The agent makes a deal. He shows him a letter in Spanish, he signs and cancels the contract.” Pfister said this was not allowed. “If a player started a league here, nobody can contract the player before the season is finished.” Pfister said he asked Leon what was his salary and taxes in Vietnam and what was the transfer fee involved but he did not know.
“How the boy not know your own transfer sum?’ Pfister asked. He explained that when a player walked away from national training, he was walking against the Government.
“I hope the Government can help me. Football is a matter of character for this country. If I walk against the national team, I walk against the Government.”
Pfister also spoke of Darryl Robert who left recently for a trial in South Africa, despite being out of the national line-up because of a broken arm.
“I don’t know who sent Darryl to South Africa.” He emphasised that it was difficult to play with one line up, and one week later, change five players.
He is happy that Roberts, Kenwyne Jones and Carlos Edwards would be available for next month’s matches against Guyana.
Pfister furious
…says bad transfers hurting T&T football
By Kern De Freitas (Express).
"You have to help me, help our football. This is (a) crime [against humanity]."
Trinidad and Tobago head coach Otto Pfister was anything but happy after the Soca Warriors' 4-0 World Cup qualifying shutout win over Barbados at the Hasely Crawford Stadium on Tuesday evening and his displeasure had nothing to do with their performance in the match.
Instead, he took issue with some local club owners' attempts to trade players and send them on trials with foreign clubs.
And within his emotional rant over the situation at the post-match press conference, the 73-year-old German made an impassioned plea to the media to assist him in stopping this trend of transfers that he claimed is not only hurting local football, but the players as well.
"If you don't help me, it's my last interview here. Because this is terrible," the veteran coach said.
According to Pfister, midfielder Clyde Leon, who hails from W Connection, and more recently has played in Colombia, has been transferred to Vietnam.
Yet the player, the senior national coach said, is unhappy over the situation and does not know what his salary will be, his transfer fee, or even how much tax he is supposed to pay.
Goalkeeper Marvin Phillip was sent on trial in Vancouver, Canada ten days before T&T's World Cup qualifier away to Bermuda last Friday and the custodian was not himself during that encounter, Pfister complained.
Defender Carlyle Mitchell has also been transferred to Vancouver Whitecaps FC, while midfielder Densill Theobald of Caledonia AIA—who Pfister rates as T&T's "best midfielder"—is also on the move.
A number of T&T players have been on trial in different parts of the globe, including unattached striker Darryl Roberts, who suffered a broken arm in South Africa and returned without a contract. Previously, he had a stint in Turkey with Denizlispor.
Hayden Tinto and Connection's Hughtun Hector are also being pursued to play in India, Pfister stated.
"I am not happy. In the middle of the preparation, these club owners take the boys out like animals," an angry Pfister said. "This is humanity crime... If we cannot stop this, we have no future in football. This boy (Leon) is not (an) animal. That is a man...he has family. We have to look (after) him."
Pfister is also asking the Government to intervene in the matter and has vowed to go to FIFA to "fight this".
The issue has also affected T&T's qualifying campaign, the coach said.
"Somebody who is doing this for money in his pocket and we do not know what is happening with our boys? It makes problems, not only for me. As a coach it's the same problem, I have to change the team."
He accused the agents brokering the transfers of making money their priority and inferred that they may not even be well recognised, or have a FIFA licence.
"You have to write this. I (do) not agree. I will fight this. (Today), Clyde Leon, W Connection sends him to Vietnam. Can you believe this? The boy is completely (mad). Can you believe this? This is gangsters (sic)."
He also pointed out the case of Shahdon Winchester, another young W Connection talent, saying the 19-year-old striker has had at least nine trials in the US and Europe.
"You kill this boy completely. (When) we have a game like this, invite your scout (to) watch this boy in the game. Let him give him a contract here..."
This would not happen in the world's top clubs, Pfister reasoned.
The ex-Saudi Arabia coach said Trinidad and Tobago had "nice boys", singling out midfielders Hector and Kendall Jagdeosingh, who plays for Rochester Rhinos in the United Soccer League (USL), and Kevin Molino—who Pfister feels has "million dollars in his legs".
"Kendall is very nice boy, young boy, very good boy. His salary in his club is (US)$5,000. This boy can play in Europe, in any team. He can make $40-50,000.
"Why he send him to the US? You know why? Because the agent, nobody knows the agent in Europe."
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by Kern DeFreitas
www.trinidadexpress.com
"You have to help me, help our football. This is (a) crime [against humanity]."
Trinidad and Tobago head coach Otto Pfister was anything but happy after the Soca Warriors' 4-0 World Cup qualifying shutout win over Barbados at the Hasely Crawford Stadium on Tuesday evening and his displeasure had nothing to do with their performance in the match.
Instead, he took issue with some local club owners' attempts to trade players and send them on trials with foreign clubs.
And within his emotional rant over the situation at the post-match press conference, the 73-year-old German made an impassioned plea to the media to assist him in stopping this trend of transfers that he claimed is not only hurting local football, but the players as well.
"If you don't help me, it's my last interview here. Because this is terrible," the veteran coach said.
According to Pfister, midfielder Clyde Leon, who hails from W Connection, and more recently has played in Colombia, has been transferred to Vietnam. Yet the player, the senior national coach said, is unhappy over the situation and does not know what his salary will be, his transfer fee, or even how much tax he is supposed to pay.
Goalkeeper Marvin Phillip was sent on trial in Vancouver, Canada ten days before T&T's World Cup qualifier away to Bermuda last Friday and the custodian was not himself during that encounter, Pfister complained.
Defender Carlyle Mitchell has also been transferred to Vancouver Whitecaps FC, while midfielder Densill Theobald of Caledonia AIA—who Pfister rates as T&T's "best midfielder"—is also on the move.
A number of T&T players have been on trial in different parts of the globe, including unattached striker Darryl Roberts, who suffered a broken arm in South Africa and returned without a contract. Previously, he had a stint in Turkey with Denizlispor.
Hayden Tinto and Connection's Hughtun Hector are also being pursued to play in India, Pfister stated.
"I am not happy. In the middle of the preparation, these club owners take the boys out like animals," an angry Pfister said. "This is humanity crime... If we cannot stop this, we have no future in football. This boy (Leon) is not (an) animal. That is a man...he has family. We have to look (after) him."
Pfister is also asking the Government to intervene in the matter and has vowed to go to FIFA to "fight this".
The issue has also affected T&T's qualifying campaign, the coach said.
"Somebody who is doing this for money in his pocket and we do not know what is happening with our boys? It makes problems, not only for me. As a coach it's the same problem, I have to change the team."
He accused the agents brokering the transfers of making money their priority and inferred that they may not even be well recognised, or have a FIFA licence.
"You have to write this. I (do) not agree. I will fight this. (Today), Clyde Leon, W Connection sends him to Vietnam. Can you believe this? The boy is completely (mad). Can you believe this? This is gangsters (sic)."
He also pointed out the case of Shahdon Winchester, another young W Connection talent, saying the 19-year-old striker has had at least nine trials in the US and Europe.
"You kill this boy completely. (When) we have a game like this, invite your scout (to) watch this boy in the game. Let him give him a contract here..."
This would not happen in the world's top clubs, Pfister reasoned.
The ex-Saudi Arabia coach said Trinidad and Tobago had "nice boys", singling out midfielders Hector and Kendall Jagdeosingh, who plays for Rochester Rhinos in the United Soccer League (USL), and Kevin Molino—who Pfister feels has "million dollars in his legs".
"Kendall is very nice boy, young boy, very good boy. His salary in his club is (US)$5,000. This boy can play in Europe, in any team. He can make $40-50,000.
"Why he send him to the US? You know why? Because the agent, nobody knows the agent in Europe."
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The man call Denzil our "best midfielder." ;D
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Dais de only thing mih ears ketch and I was able to understand but 24 hours later Kiffy eh reach yet.....amazing!! :o ;D
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The man call Denzil our "best midfielder." ;D
VB
Dais de only thing mih ears ketch and I was able to understand but 24 hours later Kiffy eh reach yet.....amazing!! :o ;D
come people coulda swear he say "one of"
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The man call Denzil our "best midfielder." ;D
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Dais de only thing mih ears ketch and I was able to understand but 24 hours later Kiffy eh reach yet.....amazing!! :o ;D
come people coulda swear he say "one of"
I eh understand a word of what he said......I just ketch Densil and "best midfielder" in the same sentence......my mind blown..... ;D
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I eh understand a word of what he said......I just ketch Densil and "best midfielder" in the same sentence......my mind blown..... ;D
lol
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but in all seriousness if Densil could grow a pair ah balls, and stop playin timid who could well be one of our best
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You tell dem, he has nuttin to lose
His reputation on de line
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Pfister fury ;D
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Pfister fury ;D
lol
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when is the next proleague game btw ..... the 25 th ... 15 days rest for players
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Pfister fury ;D
who doin de books dis year. My recommendation.
Pfister Fury! :beermug: :beermug:
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I feel Densil is a practice champ. Otto isn't the first coach to like him, remember he was a fixture in Beenie's team. So two big-time coaches think very highly of him, despite the fact that he has made little impact in games. It hadda be a mental ting...
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Pfister fury ;D
omg classic ,take win.
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I feel Densil is a practice champ. Otto isn't the first coach to like him, remember he was a fixture in Beenie's team. So two big-time coaches think very highly of him, despite the fact that he has made little impact in games. It hadda be a mental ting...
True ting...he probably freezes up in games and when on the big stage...maybe Pfister-Fury could help with that
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I feel Densil is a practice champ. Otto isn't the first coach to like him, remember he was a fixture in Beenie's team. So two big-time coaches think very highly of him, despite the fact that he has made little impact in games. It hadda be a mental ting...
True ting...he probably freezes up in games and when on the big stage...maybe Pfister-Fury could help with that
as I said...NO Balls
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pfister fury=classic ;D
with regard to theobald, he said 'one of' the best
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Very late on the conversation but from my perspective Otto is concerned about the exploitation of his players. I've always said in contrast to some, going off to far nations to play football and make small money makes no sense. That said, I understand players live in the present and want to grasp at any "opportunity".
One obvious thing is missing that no one commented on though, is the inability of our players to understand contracts and how to avoid being exploited. Imagine, according to Otto ah man sign to go to Vietnam and he eh know how much the agent making or himself for that matte? That seems so simple to me and almost embarrassing for the player or his "family" not to ask the most basic of questions.
Are we that "desperate" for a "foreign" contract? If so, we will continue to be exploited.... Shame on all parties involved.
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well seems like tinto hector and power plan to head out there according to otto and he aint to pleased ..
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Pilsner is a man who wlda see this nuff in Africa. They have agents there who take people money, carry them europe and disappear and leave them on the street.
I wonder what the relationship like between these agents and the local clubs...
Football is a business, u cant stop local players looking to move up.
This is where FPATT hadda step in and protect players interests from jokey mickey mouse deals...
Sadly, some of these players have limited experience in these sort of things...
On the flipside, I always wondered why our players and agents never looked at South America/Central America, Spain, POrtugal, France more than thay did in the past....
Language excuse is bullshit, in this modern era that not an excuse. If u a true professional, you will adjust.
Tevez cyah say boo in english if he try yet he the highest paid player in England and the top striker there is. Scores of non english players flourish in England.
When last I checked, Copa Libertadores was not that far behind Europeans Champions League....
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One obvious thing is missing that no one commented on though, is the inability of our players to understand contracts and how to avoid being exploited. Imagine, according to Otto ah man sign to go to Vietnam and he eh know how much the agent making or himself for that matte? That seems so simple to me and almost embarrassing for the player or his "family" not to ask the most basic of questions.
Are we that "desperate" for a "foreign" contract? If so, we will continue to be exploited.... Shame on all parties involved.
the only shame on them is that they were foolish to reject fpatt. understandable but still foolish. these fellas are not rocket scientists, like athletes all over the world who chose professional sport over academics they can be easily exploited.
fool me once shame on me, fool me twice shame on me
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Okay people here is the sHOTTA details for you. First and very importantly the fact of the matter is "are things been done properly"?
Are the players victims here? Who is suffering from all this? The senior national team. It is in the best interest of the head coach to ensure his first team or core players are fit and ready to play for the country. The clubs on the other hand seems to want to make money to pay bills etc.
What Otto is saying is that the clubs are jumping on the first money and willing to throw anyone under the mat to make a quick buck or two, and the question he is asking is are these trails been done legally, from what he also said it is not.
Shame on TT clubs they really don't look like they care what happens to players once on loan or sold by selling them or loaning them to medocre clubs in India and SA. etc.. And shame on the players for not waiting till the NT team does better so they have a better chance of playing at a better club.
I also think what Otto is saying is that he is going to quit the job.
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Okay people here is the sHOTTA details for you. First and very importantly the fact of the matter is "are things been done properly"?
Are the players victims here? Who is suffering from all this? The senior national team. It is in the best interest of the head coach to ensure his first team or core players are fit and ready to play for the country. The clubs on the other hand seems to want to make money to pay bills etc.
What Otto is saying is that the clubs are jumping on the first money and willing to throw anyone under the mat to make a quick buck or two, and the question he is asking is are these trails been done legally, from what he also said it is not.
Shame on TT clubs they really don't look like they care what happens to players once on loan or sold by selling them or loaning them to medocre clubs in India and SA. etc.. And shame on the players for not waiting till the NT team does better :rotfl: :rotfl: so they have a better chance of playing at a better club.
I also think what Otto is saying is that he is going to quit the job.
How many players get contract to big clubs, any clubs after the WC apppearance?
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Who was there? Birchall got picked up, Jones, Edwards and the rest consisting of retired Yorke, Shaka (our best players) and the wild men like bleeder, whitley, avery etc. It's true our players now have a better chance of making a good team if they perform well with the NT.. Thats the best way to get themselves recognised internationally. Hopefully we get to the next rounds. This coach gets discipline from his players, its only a matter of time before they start reaping the benifits of the work they putting in. And its people like you that like the way things are and make it a mountain for others to climb when all is needed is a little bit of work.
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Bakes about we not having that kinda profile for big team scouts to come here. I can personally tell you that they do. A certain "nobody in the football world" actually got scouts to come watch a few of us in Mayaro when Collin Samuel get picked up. That person also recommended a player name Sherwin Lee to them, but he had a choice to make between attending national U20 training or coming to a trial match to be seen aswell. Well he picked U20 and that was the end of that. My point is, big or small team scouts are always traveling the world to discover young talent. Otto is right about these ass hole clubs sending their players on trial, why can't they be seen by a scout or send tapes to clubs outside T&T to show the kind of talent that they might have to offer?.
This also had me thinking, how did Yorke get picked up playing here?
Collin Samuel was recommended by a BP employee who was a Falkirk fan. He was seen by Falkirk coaches when they came to T&T to conduct clinics on behalf of BP.
Yorke was picked up by Villa after they saw him in action while they were on a pre-season tour of T&T.
I l know the BP employee. He use hook us up with boots and money for transportation. (Jack)
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I believe Leon and Hector are heading to Vietnam soon...truth is..we have very poor agents..just look at the clubs some of these Jamaicans sign for
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I must admit he is correct although I don't like his tone! It seems he is talking down to us! But he should understand this pro league not like the real thing! Owners investing hoping to make some money! They are treating the players like slaves! I almost laugh when he said he will complain to FIFA! It seems like FIFA has to do what we cannot do ourselves!
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I must admit he is correct although I don't like his tone! It seems he is talking down to us! But he should understand this pro league not like the real thing! Owners investing hoping to make some money! They are treating the players like slaves! I almost laugh when he said he will complain to FIFA! It seems like FIFA has to do what we cannot do ourselves!
I didn't get that @ all, instead i got ah man who's flabbergasted by the audacity and cluelessness of ah ppl with so much resources that's just wasting away, that and utta frustration!
BTW, dem bob tail monkeys in trinbago deserve just that! ah talking down to! they too fackin backward and out of it!
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... speaking of "didn't get" ...
JC, I didn't get that he was angling to leave de wuk ... what I got was that this would be his last press conference before a servile media UNLESS they demonstrated some cajones as stakeholders in our football ... Note he said: you all are football journalists (then humorously wanted to know who was the Express reporter) ... the implication being then cover the football properly without self-censoring ... be advocates for the game and your national team and raise pertinent questions ... Fair comments.
Even so, thus far what has surfaced in the local media is a reproduction of what he stated rather than anything more penetrating such as inquiries related to the actual transfers and practices Pfister has expressed as problematic.
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Pfister fury ;D
omg classic ,take win.
This is even better!!
Iron Pfister fury!! ;)
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I must admit he is correct although I don't like his tone! It seems he is talking down to us! But he should understand this pro league not like the real thing! Owners investing hoping to make some money! They are treating the players like slaves! I almost laugh when he said he will complain to FIFA! It seems like FIFA has to do what we cannot do ourselves!
Talking down to us my f**king ass... de man buffin people, clubs, local agents, the TTFF for being to blasted slack and letting shit happen to the footballers. If was ah black man with ah WI accent yuh never bawl he talking down to "we".
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I must admit he is correct although I don't like his tone! It seems he is talking down to us! But he should understand this pro league not like the real thing! Owners investing hoping to make some money! They are treating the players like slaves! I almost laugh when he said he will complain to FIFA! It seems like FIFA has to do what we cannot do ourselves!
What de hell i does be reading here??
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Even so, thus far what has surfaced in the local media is a reproduction of what he stated rather than anything more penetrating such as inquiries related to the actual transfers and practices Pfister has expressed as problematic.
This de shameful ting... I waiting to see who get off dey arse and do some actual work.
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My 2 cents is players like H. Hector & K. Molino for example are very capable of playing in Portugal, France, Holland, Greece, Norway, Switzerland, Belgium, Turkey & Scotland in first or second division leagues but the agents these players use have little or no connections in these leagues or have very little credibility in with clubs in those leagues.
In order to get our better young players into good leagues we need to have them work with established agents, not necessarily top agents, but at least agents with connections in good leagues. You can’t tell me Hector can’t play in Holland or Switzerland; that kid could play and shouldn’t be going to Vietnam to make his money.
Where are our former overseas players who know where to find proper agents? Can’t they form an organization to help these young players find teams in good leagues? This is where we need former overseas players to bring their experience and knowledge to the table to help the younger ones.
Vietnam and India is a shame for the kind of talent we have.
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OTTTOOO-FACKInnn-MATICCCC boiii...gih dem woood star, yuhhhhz ah boss!
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Theobald is our best midfielder?
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Theobald is our best midfielder?
The man said "ONE OF", not the best.
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Even so, thus far what has surfaced in the local media is a reproduction of what he stated rather than anything more penetrating such as inquiries related to the actual transfers and practices Pfister has expressed as problematic.
This de shameful ting... I waiting to see who get off dey arse and do some actual work.
The Fearless One might be the only one to try......Lasana off the scene these days....only dem two interested in getting to heart of things.....de rest quite comfortable tiefing Flex's posts and trying to pass them off as their own..... ::)
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Pfister’s comment, German style
By Alvin Corneal (Guardian).
The match against Barbados was finished. Our national team won handsomely, giving the fans some level of hope that they are capable of playing better than their recent result (2–1 loss) against Bermuda implied.
Those of us who read the news out of Bermuda, saw that coach Otto Pfister was reluctant to attend the press conference, despite the fact that the FIFA rules indicate that a member of the coaching staff of each team must be present at the postgame press conference. However, he was reported to have eventually showed up and gave a brief comment about the game and left.
No doubt, many would have thought that he was a bitter loser and demonstrated it by his quick remarks on the game and exit. Tuesday afternoon was different and following a big victory, the experienced German entered the press conference with an apparent bout of bitterness, not at the result nor the manner in which the team played, but about issues pertaining to the number of players who were not made available to him through having to travel out of the country on trials in Asia, America, and Africa.
Now, his fit of anger tended to make his message be viewed by those who gave preference to the manner of the man and the language which he used to describe the local players. Immediately, some viewed it as the previously typical colonial behaviour which saw the boss talking down to the workers in a tone which could instil fear into anyone who rejects straight talk and prefer to deal with matters of this nature differently.
Having studied in Germany and having to deal with blunt remarks by some as something which they consider to be fair dialogue, I was not surprised, but preferred if he had used some diplomacy, especially as he was trying desperately to gain support for the national team in the future. Those who were present at the post match drama, did not expect this rude awakening and certainly were not ready for the direction which he took, regarding the players who were not available to the team, because of one reason or another.
So that was the behaviour of the messenger who may not have won many friends in the process, because of what they perceived as arrogance and disrespect for the local players, clubs and some “illegal agents”, according to Pfister. But it is good sense to seek further information as to why these players were not available to our national team in an official World Cup competition.
Actually, the argument would never have arisen if the rules governing players’ availability for their national matches were followed to the letter. Firstly, any national players selected to represent the country in an official FIFA fixture must be released by his club five days before game day and all the clubs across the world are aware of this rule.
But surely, some of our players or clubs are unaware of this rule and a few players have left the country days before the match is to be played, for the purpose of attending trials with some club abroad or in some instances, getting a contract with a club abroad.
It will be foolish to deprive players and the clubs they represent from wanting to sell players in order to get revenue for their clubs. This is absolutely legal and acceptable the world over. But when these transactions are being made at times when the players involved in the national team fixtures are sent away by their clubs or agents, and are not available for the official matches, it simply means that the FIFA rule will have been broken.
Three questions need answers for this type of problem. The first is whether or not these players or clubs are aware of the rules. I distinctly recall a visit to T&T by FIFA experts from the players status committee, who were sent to educate the stakeholders about all the details relating to players, whether they be transfers, trials, the rights of clubs and also agents. The bad news is that only three professional club representatives saw it fit to attend this important meeting.
So when players leave this country for greater opportunities, they sometimes fail to notify the TTFF, which is in itself a violation, or they make themselves unavailable five days prior to an official game, which is a club violation.
But maybe the most blatant mistake is for the ruling body to sign a release letter on behalf of the players or the club, knowing that the player is needed for an official match. It should be interesting to hear from the ruling body as to the amount of information they have regarding players, who are travelling on trials or even on contract.
Then there are the irresponsible agents, many of whom are not licensed by FIFA, whose desire to make a fast buck, influence the young inexperienced players to sign on the dotted line, with promises which are often unrealistic and in many cases unproductive. There are a number of players who have been sent off trials and returned home with great promises from clubs abroad. I wonder if anyone has checked to see if these players have earned contracts.
The truth is, most of these players leave here with full knowledge that they will not qualify for a work permit in England, yet still, they persist in making the trips. So while I will always be pleased to see clubs earn transfer fees for players in order to pay their bills and stay afloat in our pro league, I know that there are correct ways to deal with such transactions.
The time is ripe for the serious dialogue on these topics. The TTFF must draw to the attention of players, clubs and the national coaching staff, the methods to be used for smooth operations regarding players in our national team. So, in this particular case, the message seems clearly more important than the messenger.
Nevertheless, the excitement which is raised by the national senior team and their convincing victory over the Bajans, will have been appropriate for the fans who saw four excellent goals as compensation for the much improved interpassing and moving game which we witnessed. And although I saw nothing of the Bermuda match, it was not difficult to recognise speculatively the problems which existed in a 90-minute game which the observers claim, produced seven good scoring chances.
In the Tuesday’s encounter, the movement of the ball by T&T when in possession was fluid, accurate and appeared as though the lads were fully in control. However, much of this type of possession was in their own half of the field and even when it seeped into the final third of the field, the effectiveness was replaced by incompetence from under prepared strikers, who neither ran into space nor remain as post up players so that the midfield can induce penetration.
Unfortunately, our strikers failed to function and it was left to the speedy Lester Peltier and crafty Kevin Molino to take the responsibility themselves, the former getting behind the defence through sheer speed and got the first goal.
The second half changes created a new image to the Warriors as Hayden Tinto and the much underrated Hughton Hector, turned a difficult task into a simple walk in the park. Quick wall passes in and among the opposing defence, caught them losing their defensive modes and allowing for passing lanes to appear regularly.
Not only did this type of play impress the fans, but it offered an insight into a valuable adjustment into the selection process, leaving a brighter light at the end of the tunnel when they oppose Guyana twice.
I will be surprised if this group of players, when joined by Darryl Roberts, Kenwyne Jones and Carlos Edwards, do not produce the quality of football that the people of this country would enjoy. What we need is a high sense of discipline and commitment to the task which will cause us all to even forget the brash remarks made recently.
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TTFF or Pro League should set up some kind of class or business session to explain these things to players. Unfortunately a lot of our players are ignorant to understand the business end of football and what is in their best interest
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We're such a reactionary ppl ... but dahis a good thing ... until it isn't.
In the meantime ... if de play iz feast or famine ... eat food too oui.
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The club owners and skeene on the tube right now talking bout pfister and his rants.
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Not sure if anyone already posted this!
Sancho's reaction to Pfister's outburst!
Click link then click Play to view: http://cnc3.co.tt/content/former-national-footballer-commts-5eft
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Steups....
I like Sancho, but did he listen at all to what Pfister had to say??
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I tuned in but it seems like the discussion was over because they were doing a report on a cricket club. What was their take on his rant(s)?
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I tuned in but it seems like the discussion was over because they were doing a report on a cricket club. What was their take on his rant(s)?
They were more or less agreeing with Sancho! Sancho is now a club owner so I can understand why he took the narrow point of view that he did in news clip interview below!
For Sancho's reaction to Pfister's outburst click link then click Play to view:
http://cnc3.co.tt/content/former-national-footballer-commts-5eft
I am not sure if any of them listened properly to what Pfister was saying in his outburst!
To me he was 100% correct and had every right to say it as it was negatively affected his team's chances of making it to the next round!
Nice one “Iron Pfister Fury”, you won me over and now have my 100% support!
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Sancho ent say nothing wrong. I think Pfister looking out for himself, by using this avenue.
Which other National team coach has such access to National team players as Pfister? He is right in that better care needs to be taken when transfering players to different clubs around the world.
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I see both sides to the argument and I agree with Sancho in that their should be some communication channels between the clubs and the NT when it comes to NT team players not being available for team preparation.
With that being said the club should also have their players best interest at heart when sending them abroad. Like Pfister said in his rant, club owners should be educators (mentors) in that they should at least help them in intrepting the contract so they know exactly what they're getting themselves into. I still find it hard to believe that Leon did not even know what his salary was on his last contract.
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I see both sides to the argument and I agree with Sancho in that their should be some communication channels between the clubs and the NT when it comes to NT team players not being available for team preparation.
With that being said the club should also have their players best interest at heart when sending them abroad. Like Pfister said in his rant, club owners should be educators (mentors) in that they should at least help them in intrepting the contract so they know exactly what they're getting themselves into. I still find it hard to believe that Leon did not even know what his salary was on his last contract.
Dat is Leon fault he sign a blank contract?
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So if a club don't have gate sales nor merch sales and the only way to keep your club alive is to sell your players, why have a club? I think T&T pro-league may need a different model.
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Socapro, Sancho is not a club owner, he is an employee!
There should be better communications between club and country, however, Pfister is getting far more access than other coaches. The clubs could limit their players to the mandated 5 days before a game. There are other issues too. At North East, Wolfe was signed as a striker and scored around 25 goals last season for MaPau and North East. Pfister wants him as a right back and believes North East should play him there. Its notable that Wolfe hasn't scored for North East this season. He was supposed to feed off Stern John, but if he's played at right back, North East have lost a 25 goal striker and cannot even sign a free agent to replace him until December. So, is that fair to North East? What if Wolfe is replaced in defence in the NT, is he supposed to go back to being a striker at NE?
I do believe clubs should take more care about overseas transfers, but this club v country battle goes on in every country. Its not new, its just unusual to see a coach with big enough balls to speak out. The coach of Ethiopia did a similar thing recently and got sacked for it!!
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He is dam right!
Not a matter of the clubs having to conduct business, but the manner in which the business is conducted. Not to mention the integrity of the so called agents.
Listen carefully to what he is saying. "What is the salary? What is the duration of the contract? What are the taxes involved? What is the players signing bonus? How is the player to be paid? What is the legality of moving money out the country?" FIFA has stipulations on all of the above.
If these questions are not addressed it is simply a free for all market.
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He is dam right!
Not a matter of the clubs having to conduct business, but the manner in which the business is conducted. Not to mention the integrity of the so called agents.
Listen carefully to what he is saying. "What is the salary? What is the duration of the contract? What are the taxes involved? What is the players signing bonus? How is the player to be paid? What is the legality of moving money out the country?" FIFA has stipulations on all of the above.
If these questions are not addressed it is simply a free for all market.
Excellently well said !!!!!!!!!
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Socapro, Sancho is not a club owner, he is an employee!
There should be better communications between club and country, however, Pfister is getting far more access than other coaches. The clubs could limit their players to the mandated 5 days before a game. There are other issues too. At North East, Wolfe was signed as a striker and scored around 25 goals last season for MaPau and North East. Pfister wants him as a right back and believes North East should play him there. Its notable that Wolfe hasn't scored for North East this season. He was supposed to feed off Stern John, but if he's played at right back, North East have lost a 25 goal striker and cannot even sign a free agent to replace him until December. So, is that fair to North East? What if Wolfe is replaced in defence in the NT, is he supposed to go back to being a striker at NE?
I do believe clubs should take more care about overseas transfers, but this club v country battle goes on in every country. Its not new, its just unusual to see a coach with big enough balls to speak out. The coach of Ethiopia did a similar thing recently and got sacked for it!!
Latapy and Maturana had Wolfe playing right back to, it seems he prefer there. ?
And as a player you should be able to play anywhere, this is not amature football.
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Everybody know yuh have an important WC game and men flying out 10 days before to go on trial and people here expect them to be back in 5 days as stipulated by FIFA ???
Doh be surprise if Pfister blank the local base players and bring back Boucaud and all sorts of men out of the woodworks like Kevin Austin.
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i think the club owners need to sit down and speak to the senior coach/federation on the future of football in trinidad. I do understands Sancho point of view.
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No, Otto just need to call or write FIFA on the matter and have these clubs fined. Then and only then will the try to follow the rules.
Once clubs like W.Connection etc get 10k fines and bans only then will they inform our head coach about players leaving, etc.
It's too late for talking and even if he had "Talks" with them they wouldn't care what he has to say and do thier own thing anyway.
Let FIFA deal with them.
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Socapro, Sancho is not a club owner, he is an employee!
There should be better communications between club and country, however, Pfister is getting far more access than other coaches. The clubs could limit their players to the mandated 5 days before a game. There are other issues too. At North East, Wolfe was signed as a striker and scored around 25 goals last season for MaPau and North East. Pfister wants him as a right back and believes North East should play him there. Its notable that Wolfe hasn't scored for North East this season. He was supposed to feed off Stern John, but if he's played at right back, North East have lost a 25 goal striker and cannot even sign a free agent to replace him until December. So, is that fair to North East? What if Wolfe is replaced in defence in the NT, is he supposed to go back to being a striker at NE?
I do believe clubs should take more care about overseas transfers, but this club v country battle goes on in every country. Its not new, its just unusual to see a coach with big enough balls to speak out. The coach of Ethiopia did a similar thing recently and got sacked for it!!
Latapy and Maturana had Wolfe playing right back to, it seems he prefer there. ?
And as a player you should be able to play anywhere, this is not amature football.
apparently you think it is. I would love to see Chicharito hold down ah left back for Man Utd.
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No, Otto just need to call or write FIFA on the matter and have these clubs fined. Then and only then will the try to follow the rules.
Once clubs like W.Connection etc get 10k fines and bans only then will they inform our head coach about players leaving, etc.
It's too late for talking and even if he had "Talks" with them they wouldn't care what he has to say and do thier own thing anyway.
Let FIFA deal with them.
What will/can FIFA do? There's already provisions in place to allow NT Head coaches access to players prior to International dates. Where a player allow his agent or where the agent send a player is up to the player, agent and the contracting club. You want FIFA to tell a player that he need to look out for himself when signiing a contract?
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http://www.youtube.com/v/-wnTcYmOlAA
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http://www.youtube.com/v/-wnTcYmOlAA
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Very good interview! What he summarised at the end I was basically saying the same in the T&T vs Guyana thread (must find the quote!)
Here is my quote:
Shabazz is not being unpatriotic, he is being professional and we shouldn't confuse the two!
Worst case scenario if Shabazz as head coach of Guyana is able to beat Pfister as head coach of T&T which will be for the 1st time in our football history then Shabazz would have proved his credentials without doubt as a decent coach and would have taught us a lesson that maybe we shouldn't be so quick to discard and underrate our local coaches for foreign ones!
For this game Shabazz has something to prove as does Pfister and also the T&T players have something to prove with regards to their quality as compared to the Guyanese players.
Hoping for T&T to come out on top both home & away but not taking anything for granted!
I'm I perceptive or what?!! Listen to Shabazz's summary at the end of the interview as to why he took the Guyana head coach job! 8)
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Sports Minister, Gweha Ikouam Are Killing Football In Cameroon - Taninche
Friday, April 10, 2009
Interviewed by Innocent Mbunwe, Ernest Sumelong & Elvis Tah
acamstockholm.com (http://www.acamstockholm.com/?p=342http://bleacherreport.com/articles/9000-otto-pfister-the-grand-old-man-of-african-footballhttp://togo.worldcupblog.org/group-g/togo-manager-may-sue-football-association.htmlhttp://www.africansoccerunion.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=100364:otto-pfister-quits-as-cameroon-coach&catid=476&Itemid=200115http://allafrica.com/stories/200810070077.htmlhttp://www.modernghana.com/news/166775/2/otto-pfister-in-court-for-fraud.html)
Fernand Taninche, the football agent who sued Sports and Physical Education Minister, Augustin Edjoa, and Lions Head Coach, Otto Pfister, for breach of contract, has opened the can of worms of the shady deals between the Sports Minister, Otto Pfister, and Lions Assistant Coach, Gweha Ikouam. He says Augustin Edjoa and Gweha Ikouam are killing Cameroon’s football. In this exclusive interview with The Post, Taniche talks about Pfister’s controversial appointment, the court case and problems rocking Cameroon football. Excerpts:
You are now a controversial figure in football setting in the country due to the problems you have with the Minister of Sports and Physical Education, Augustin Edjoa and Lions coach, Otto Pfister, who is Fernand Taninche?
I am a former professional football player converted now as a player agent although I don’t have a FIFA licence. You know there are licensed FIFA agents and others without licence like scouts. I worked for Europe based sports Agency, Majestic Management but we are at a FIFA court because they owe me about one million US dollars for three players; George Ambasa in Baovista sold in January 2005 during the transfer window, Gustav Anicet Bebe Mbangue in Turkey sold in the summer of 2005 and Emmanuel Amungwa from Cotonsport. Amungwa first travelled to Portugal and now he is in Israel. Bebe Mbangue signed a contract with Majestic Management, the company which I represent in Africa.
You recently sued the Minister of Sports and Physical Education and Otto Pfister for breach of contract, can you explain how you got into this deal?
In fact, I was a close friend to the Minister and when Cameroon was looking for a coach, I made a proposal to find one and the minister authorised me through a written power of attorney. Later on he said I was not involved in the deal.
What happened between the Coach, the Minister and yourself that resulted to the court case?
The litigation came as a result of the non-payment of my fee for providing a coach. I had an agreement to receive 20 percent of Otto Pfister’s earnings. Otto Pfister was eager to coach Cameroon, particularly anxious to coach Samuel Eto’o Fils. He told me to do everything for him to coach Cameroon and that, if I succeed, he will give me 20 percent of all his earnings in Cameroon. After my mediation and he got the job, he started bluffing. When I took the matter to the press, scandalised and exposed as he was, he acknowledged the 20 percent deal. But he told me that the Sports Minister and the Lions Assistant Coach, Gweha Ikouam had told him to say that he does not know me.
At what level is the court case now?
The case will come up soon. The Head of State knows that there is a Cameroonian who brought a coach to Cameroon that qualified us to the 2008 Nations Cup final. That is why during the preliminary investigation of the matter, not only the coach but the Minister was also interrogated by the police and the Attorney General.
Before the recruitment of Otto Pfister, his name was not in the list of five names short listed by FECAFOOT; how did he finally get the job?
Otto Pfister came into the deal because I advised the Minister that we have a development project (SYFODA Project) put in place by my American partner, Mark Dillon, organiser of the 1994 World Cup in the USA. Otto Pfister was also involved in the project that was to revitalise Cameroon football by building stadia, train coaches and administrators and not only football administrators but other team sports all over the National territory.
What has become of the SYFODA project; has it been dumped?
The project is on the Minister’s table.
That sounds like a lofty project that would have helped the country; but why has it not been implemented?
You know, in Cameroon, when you bring a suitable project and people who are involved are not satisfied with their personal proceeds, they frustrate it. After the presentation of the project, I told the Minister that nobody will be allowed to steal a franc from it, knowing what it takes for Americans to invest in a project.
Going through these documents you are brandishing, it indicates that the Minister had given the green light for the project which they even started with feasibility studies, what later happened?
I told you that this is the bad mentality President Paul Biya is fighting against. He will punish all the perpetrators who are stifling development in this country. The project was aimed at getting American and European sponsors and donors to develop sports in our country at no cost on the part of government but the minister preferred the Chinese whose project is only bringing debts to the tune of FCFA billions to the Nation. It is a shame for us because the Minister would refuse a gift from the Americans to accept a debt from the Chinese.
Let me tell you something, in the SYFODA project, Otto Pfister accepted FCFA 13 million per month as salary to be coach for the Lions, but I am surprised that he now ends FCFA 15 million. Don’t you see that there is something fishy? Instead of negotiating for something less than FCFA 13 million as earlier agreed, you increase it to FCFA 15 million, this is just to ruin the Nation’s finances.
Cameroon recently lost to Togo 0-1 in the last phase of the 2010 qualifiers, what do you think was the problem?
The problem is that the technical bench did not call up the right players. For instance, how can we avoid a player like Eyong Enoh of Ajax Amsterdam who is at the summit of his career? Enoh is the much talked about midfielder today in Holland and Ajax is also one of the top clubs in the world, but they prefer to call players from obscured teams in Russia and elsewhere. Another case in point is that of Achille Emana, of Real Betis. He is the first African to be appointed captain in a top league like Spain for the very first year that he joined the club.
The most disheartening reason of wrong players being called up is that, Otto Pfister’s son who is based in Europe, Mike Pfister, is running a football agency call M&P Football Agency.
Because, this agency trades players, Mike influences the father, Otto Pfister, to call certain players whom he happens to be their agent. Calling these players into the National Team will facilitate their sale in Europe.
For your information, when a player is called to join the Lions, so many big clubs in Europe will send their scouts to monitor and approach these players because of the fame the Indomitable Lions has worldwide.
Since little known players don’t find it easy to sign good contracts, those who understand the network are bound to enter a kind of agreement for a fee with M&P Football Agency in order to be called up into the National Team by Otto Pfister. It is a mafia, because Minister Edjoa and the Lions Assistant Coach, Gweha, are both involved.
Why do you think Eyong Enoh was not called up?
Eyong has not been called because of the problem I have with the Minister and the Coach. When my relationship with the Minister was good, that is before the appointment of Pfister, he asked me to submit a list of young and new players I think can help the country. That I did, with Eyong’s name included along side Carl Lobe who happens to be my players.
Since you started narrating your deals with the Minister and the Coach, we have not heard you talk about FECAFOOT, which is supposed to be the body managing football in the country. Why?
At that time I did not know that FECAFOOT was sidelined from the deal. I have been working with Americans and Europeans for long and I have a different mentality. I was told that things were going fine with FECAFOOT, not knowing that it was the contrary. The Minister and Gweha are spoiling our football. You saw how because of their influence, Cameroon disgraced itself in Algeria in the Under-17 Championship and how things happened during the last Olympic Games in China.
People say that Gweha was not appointed on merit but on the basis of his relationship with the Minister. How true is that?
Of course, if he is not a very good friend to Edjoa, what was he doing with us (American partner) in a meeting at the Prime Minister’s Office with the then American Ambassador, Neils Marquardt, during the introduction of the SYFODA project in May 2007? His appointment was made in October 2007.
They started their deals long ago at Lycee Le Clerc with some Americans, a business that Gweha duped President Calvin Foinding of Mount Cameroon FC. Foinding started the transaction with some Americans and Gweha later on hijacked it. Foinding is a gentleman who doesn’t like trouble but for me, I like trouble.
As a football agent what proposal do you have to better our football in the country?
The only way forward is to go back to the SYFODA project that would build us stadia in Cameroon, change our mentality and train trainers. If we train trainers, they will have a change in mentality. For example, since our coaches are not well paid, they ask money from players to be fielded in a game at the detriment of the team. Also, FECAFOOT has started doing a good job and I think if they can combine with the SYFODA project it will be a very good thing for the Nation.
What, in your opinion, is the reason why the Minister is not willing to permit the SYFODA Project?
He is hesitant because he started wrongly from the base. Working with people who are straightforward and you yourself not being clean poses trouble. Imagine a person with whom I have operated with, talking publicly now that he does not know me; is it not a shame? I am known world wide whereas he is recognised only in Cameroon. I have helped so many families in Cameroon by taking their children to Europe who now play professional football and are helping their folks back home.
Experts are saying that for Cameroon soccer to forge ahead the Minister should be sacked, what is your opinion on that?
I share the same opinion. I will give all the information I have about the Minister irrespective of the dead threats on my life. Knowing that the Head of State is a nice man, who likes justice, he would put all of them into prison.
Rumours are rife that the Minister recently bought a villa in Lyon, France; have you any idea how true the story is?
I also heard about the news while in Europe, but you know, I don’t say things that I don’t have evidence. For instance, when I say that Otto Pfister was demanding FCFA 13 million per month as salary, I have documents from my American partners. We don’t have a physical trainer but the salary of the physical trainer is being paid into Otto Pfister’s account; don’t you think that this is mafia? Fortunately, Cameroonians are not fools; the truth will one day come out. Don’t be surprised that you will hear in court that Minister Edjoa is the one behind my commission.
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Fazeer did a whole show on the Pro League yesterday morning and I caught the discussion with Dexter Skeene and Larry Romany (I think it was Larry Romany not sure). I remember Dexter saying that after Pfister's rant he did some research on him and discovered that this is his MO where ever he goes. When things aren't going his way, rant and rave about the clubs etc. etc.
I cyar remember all of what was said in the interviews, maybe there's footage on TV6's website from the show. Not sure if they archive the morning show like they do for the news....
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Ah find this article from Flex link....
Frustrated Cameroonian coach Otto Pfister calls it quits
He complains of deleterious conditions in his resignation letter
Friday 29 May 2009 / by Dorothy Ndoumbe
Cameroon national coach, Otto Pfister, Wednesday sent his letter of resignation to the Minister for Sports and Physical Education, Augustin Edjo. The latter had to rush to Belgium for a crisis meeting; to find a solution to the seemingly unending complexities of the Cameroonian National team, the indomitable Lions.
In his letter, the German coach, Otto Pfister complained of deleterious working conditions and a lack of collaboration among members of the technical staff of the Indomitable Lions. According to him, he has absolutely no support from anyone, including those who brought him to Cameroon. This caused the coach to lose his cool. He also regretted the tensions caused by the management team in Cameroon. In fact, in a recent interview, Mr. Pfister reiterated the fact that he was not given the freedom to handle the Lions and that his choices were always contested.
Otto Pfister’s three deputies, Kahama Michel, Jean-Paul Akono Ndoungou Mpille and Martin have, on the other hand, argued that they were not involved in the selection of the 25 players of the national team. But for Otto Pfister, Cameroon is the only country in the world where the technical staff seeks to discuss the list of players, which he believes is a prerogative reserved for a head coach. "The development of a list is the sole responsibility of the coach," he said.
Mr. Otto Pfister’s resignation of has revived controversy over who reserves the right to coach the Lions. Many Cameroonians have expressed their believe that the position should be exclusively Cameroonian. In the meantime, however, the Indomitable Lions of Cameroon have no official coach, that is, following Otto Pfister’s May 26 resignation letter. Despite this drama, they are expected to put their acts together and win their match with Morocco on June 7, in Yaounde.
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well the good news for me is that finally we have a coach who believe our players are better than US players. And right now the US run concacaf. Let this man ride thru this campaign. I would love to see what he can do. Hopefully in due time he can take the team on a tour in europe (when they clickin on all cylinders) and beat some of them smaller european teams. surely that will be a good long term investment in terms of t&t player values.
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pfister is right, he is just reiterating my issues from previous years
bad agents who have no connections and no morals, they don't care about our football players and our national program
yet these players have no choice because there is no options
i remember men on here insulting me about saying our players are talented enough to play in the epl, la liga and all top leagues around the world but now they listen
because 97% of the posters on this board are not knowledgeable about football, they lack foresight and don't have the eye for talent
plenty times man cuss me for players who world class coaches praised because of jealousy and insecurity
now pfister has come out and called out these fake coaches and agents who take advantage of the players
its time these so called football peongs wake up and realize what is going on
sending a talented player hector to vietnam? leon to colombia? these men should be sweating in la liga, erisdiva, bundesliga
but the coaches don't tell the national coach because they are insecure and want pfister removed, they are jealous
thats why i said locals should not run our football, they will run it into the ground and waste the talent of our people, it happens from music to sport
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pfister is right, he is just reiterating my issues from previous years
bad agents who have no connections and no morals, they don't care about our football players and our national program
yet these players have no choice because there is no options
i remember men on here insulting me about saying our players are talented enough to play in the epl, la liga and all top leagues around the world but now they listen
because 97% of the posters on this board are not knowledgeable about football, they lack foresight and don't have the eye for talent
plenty times man cuss me for players who world class coaches praised because of jealousy and insecurity
now pfister has come out and called out these fake coaches and agents who take advantage of the players
its time these so called football peongs wake up and realize what is going on
sending a talented player hector to vietnam? leon to colombia? these men should be sweating in la liga, erisdiva, bundesliga
but the coaches don't tell the national coach because they are insecure and want pfister removed, they are jealous
thats why i said locals should not run our football, they will run it into the ground and waste the talent of our people, it happens from music to sport
I agree with the statement I've highlighted but only on one condition, you also include yourself in the 97%.
And btw I don't mind being viewed by you as being in that 97% once you also include yourself! 8)
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woooow had no idea it was this bad with our football
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pfister is right, he is just reiterating my issues from previous years
bad agents who have no connections and no morals, they don't care about our football players and our national program
yet these players have no choice because there is no options
i remember men on here insulting me about saying our players are talented enough to play in the epl, la liga and all top leagues around the world but now they listen
because 97% of the posters on this board are not knowledgeable about football, they lack foresight and don't have the eye for talent
plenty times man cuss me for players who world class coaches praised because of jealousy and insecurity
now pfister has come out and called out these fake coaches and agents who take advantage of the players
its time these so called football peongs wake up and realize what is going on
sending a talented player hector to vietnam? leon to colombia? these men should be sweating in la liga, erisdiva, bundesliga
but the coaches don't tell the national coach because they are insecure and want pfister removed, they are jealous
thats why i said locals should not run our football, they will run it into the ground and waste the talent of our people, it happens from music to sport
I agree with the statement I've highlighted but only on one condition, you also include yourself in the 97%.
And btw I don't mind being viewed by you as being in that 97% once you also include yourself! 8)
speak for yourself, i am among the 3% in the know, i am glad you have acknowledged your place however, finally :D
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pfister is right, he is just reiterating my issues from previous years
bad agents who have no connections and no morals, they don't care about our football players and our national program
yet these players have no choice because there is no options
i remember men on here insulting me about saying our players are talented enough to play in the epl, la liga and all top leagues around the world but now they listen
because 97% of the posters on this board are not knowledgeable about football, they lack foresight and don't have the eye for talent
plenty times man cuss me for players who world class coaches praised because of jealousy and insecurity
now pfister has come out and called out these fake coaches and agents who take advantage of the players
its time these so called football peongs wake up and realize what is going on
sending a talented player hector to vietnam? leon to colombia? these men should be sweating in la liga, erisdiva, bundesliga
but the coaches don't tell the national coach because they are insecure and want pfister removed, they are jealous
thats why i said locals should not run our football, they will run it into the ground and waste the talent of our people, it happens from music to sport
I agree with the statement I've highlighted but only on one condition, you also include yourself in the 97%.
And btw I don't mind being viewed by you as being in that 97% once you also include yourself! 8)
speak for yourself, i am among the 3% in the know, i am glad you have acknowledged your place however, finally :D
Self-praise is no recommendation, your track record proves otherwise!
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pfister is right, he is just reiterating my issues from previous years
bad agents who have no connections and no morals, they don't care about our football players and our national program
yet these players have no choice because there is no options
i remember men on here insulting me about saying our players are talented enough to play in the epl, la liga and all top leagues around the world but now they listen
because 97% of the posters on this board are not knowledgeable about football, they lack foresight and don't have the eye for talent
plenty times man cuss me for players who world class coaches praised because of jealousy and insecurity
now pfister has come out and called out these fake coaches and agents who take advantage of the players
its time these so called football peongs wake up and realize what is going on
sending a talented player hector to vietnam? leon to colombia? these men should be sweating in la liga, erisdiva, bundesliga
but the coaches don't tell the national coach because they are insecure and want pfister removed, they are jealous
thats why i said locals should not run our football, they will run it into the ground and waste the talent of our people, it happens from music to sport
I agree with the statement I've highlighted but only on one condition, you also include yourself in the 97%.
And btw I don't mind being viewed by you as being in that 97% once you also include yourself! 8)
speak for yourself, i am among the 3% in the know, i am glad you have acknowledged your place however, finally :D
Self-praise is no recommendation, your track record proves otherwise!
coming from an egomaniac like yourself, i doubt your skewed observations hold any merit, my track record is impeccable unlike yourself ;)
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pfister is right, he is just reiterating my issues from previous years
bad agents who have no connections and no morals, they don't care about our football players and our national program
yet these players have no choice because there is no options
i remember men on here insulting me about saying our players are talented enough to play in the epl, la liga and all top leagues around the world but now they listen
because 97% of the posters on this board are not knowledgeable about football, they lack foresight and don't have the eye for talent
plenty times man cuss me for players who world class coaches praised because of jealousy and insecurity
now pfister has come out and called out these fake coaches and agents who take advantage of the players
its time these so called football peongs wake up and realize what is going on
sending a talented player hector to vietnam? leon to colombia? these men should be sweating in la liga, erisdiva, bundesliga
but the coaches don't tell the national coach because they are insecure and want pfister removed, they are jealous
thats why i said locals should not run our football, they will run it into the ground and waste the talent of our people, it happens from music to sport
I agree with the statement I've highlighted but only on one condition, you also include yourself in the 97%.
And btw I don't mind being viewed by you as being in that 97% once you also include yourself! 8)
speak for yourself, i am among the 3% in the know, i am glad you have acknowledged your place however, finally :D
Self-praise is no recommendation, your track record proves otherwise!
coming from an egomaniac like yourself, i doubt your skewed observations hold any merit, my track record is impeccable unlike yourself ;)
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