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Sports => Football => Topic started by: Flex on November 11, 2011, 07:57:33 PM
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UPDATE Full Time - T&T 1 (Kenwyne Jones 91) vs 2 Guyana (Ricky Shakes 11, Leon Cort 81).
Teams
Trinidad & Tobago: - 1.Marvin Phillip, 11.Carlos Edwards, 5.Julius James, 20.Seon Power, 4.Akeem Adams, 8.Khaleem Hyland, 7.Christopher Birchall (15.Hughtun Hector 39th), 16.Kevin Molino (Yellow 29), 13.Lester Peltier (14.Stern John 56th), 9.Kenwyne Jones (capt), 19.Keon Daniel (12.Kendall Jagdeosingh 55th).
Subs: - 21.Jan-Michael Williams, 6.Oesi Telesford, 3.Carlyle Mitchell, 10.Hayden Tinto, 17.Anthony Wolfe, 18.Andrei Pacheco.
Coach: - Otto Pfister (GER).
Guyana: - 1.Ronson Williams, 2.Jake Newton, 4.Leon Cort (Yellow 82), 5.Walter Moore, 16.Kayode McKinnon, 7.Dwain Jacobs (3.Christopher Bourne 75th), 13.Charles Pollard, 8.Chris Nurse (capt), 10.Carl Cort, 21.Ricky Shakes, 11.Gregory Richardson (17.Vurlon Mills 58th) (Yellow 68).
Subs: - 14.Anthony Benfield, 19.Travis Grant, 20.Dwight Peters, 22.Richard Reynolds.
Coach: - Jamal Shabaaz (TRI).
Venue: - Providence National Stadium (Guyana).
Referee: - Enrico Wijngaarde (Suriname).
Full Report to Follow....
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It's official TNT football now at d same place as WI cricket. I had no intrest in this game. I only followed on d site because a friend was not home and he wanted updates. I eh sad I eh upset. I waiting to watch Coming Home on LRW.
All now is 4 me not 2 know when we have a game and d deliverance would b complete.
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Look like Ricky Shakes make the right decision! Guess who's laughing now?!! :-[
Congrats to Guyana and Shabazz!!
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I'm sure you can finish that sentence. Unfortunately, the message of this old adage seems to be completely lost on our good friends at the TTFF and the Ministry of Sport.Now, there are a hundred plus one things wrong with Trinidad and Tobago football. We could talk all kinda thing for days, weeks, months. From a recently retired "tired" waste of space TTFF president to the indifferent "sports not important attitude" of governments of the past and present to an unprofessional professional football league that has no idea how to market and promote itself. We have hit dirt, not rock, but dirt bottom. From being out of the World Cup, to Uncle Jack's boot from world football( which many people may see as a good thing - no judgement here) to not on single pro league team qualifying for the Concacaf Champions League. Pressure! But I have a saying.."If you don't take something seriously, don't expect to beat someone who does! Didn't the Soca Warriors not play a match together for over a year? Seriously? Didn't Otto Pfister have just one single practice game before the start of this doomed campaign...against INDIA? Seriously? Don't we expect to plant corn and get mango (or something like that....lol)? Seriously? Hopefully, the travesty of not qualifying for which I'm sure will be one of the best World Cups every will be a Resurrection for Trinidad football. Yea it hurts, it will for a while. But lets not let this bitter lesson go to waste. Oh yea, just so you know..I think everyone in the TTFF should be fired. NO JOKE >:(. Milky was here.
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:applause: Guyana.
Wow
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Look like Ricky Shakes make the right decision! Guess who's laughing now?!! :-[
Congrats to Guyana and Shabazz!!
Ricky Shakes begg to play for T&T and that f00cking Anton Corneal is a maccomea man never pick him..
Not that he better that what we have but Shabaaz give them men believe.
We players let we down....
A 32 year old hold down a EPL hot shot....
Peltier is a do do... he just good for posing on facebook and showing off he f00cking bogas tatoos....
Daniel shopping in a mall. He head in JC Penny while he playing football.....
Jagdeosingh came on and shit on de field.
Edwards wost that pull stones.... he is push stone.....
To much individual football.....
Hyland cant pass to save he life.
Guyana beat we !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.... nah boy........
Them men have no f000cking belly, I would kill for T&T...... them f00cokers only playing so they could pose on facebook....
De internet, Ipad and Ipod kill we footballers.... them men on pretty vibes..... watch Peliter score 2 on Guyana next game, but time to play, he shit on de field like a f00king bullardog !!!!
Pfister is a cunny, he make Jones de captain, same mistake de WI did with Lara..... leave Jones let him focus on scoring..... give Phillip, James and Edwards de captain.... this is not Ghana....
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Look like Ricky Shakes make the right decision! Guess who's laughing now?!! :-[
Congrats to Guyana and Shabazz!!
Ricky Shakes begg to play for T&T and that f00cking Anton Corneal is a maccomea man never pick him..
Not that he better that what we have but Shabaaz give them men believe.
We players let we down....
A 32 year old hold down a EPL hot shot....
Peltier is a do do... he just good for posing on facebook and showing off he f00cking bogas tatoos....
Daniel shopping in a mall. He head in JC Penny while he playing football.....
Jagdeosingh came on and shit on de field.
Edwards wost that pull stones.... he is push stone.....
To much individual football.....
Hyland cant pass to save he life.
Guyana beat we !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.... nah boy........
Them men have no f000cking belly, I would kill for T&T...... them f00cokers only playing so they could pose on facebook....
De internet, Ipad and Ipod kill we footballers.... them men on pretty vibes..... watch Peliter score 2 on Guyana next game, but time to play, he shit on de field like a f00king bullardog !!!!
Pfister is a cunny, he make Jones de captain, same mistake de WI did with Lara..... leave Jones let him focus on scoring..... give Phillip, James and Edwards de captain.... this is not Ghana....
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Question.
Did Guyana have more preparation than we did?
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Question.
Did Guyana have more preparation than we did?
No but they have more heart and wanted it more and that's the big difference!
The Guyanese can say to us tonight, T&T go home and pose in allyuh red clothes but allyuh not ready, however we are!!
Ah notice that since this SoE get call like things going from bad to worse where T&T sports is concerned!
Is there some sort of connection there?! :-\
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Look like Ricky Shakes make the right decision! Guess who's laughing now?!! :-[
Congrats to Guyana and Shabazz!!
Ricky Shakes begg to play for T&T and that f00cking Anton Corneal is a maccomea man never pick him..
Not that he better that what we have but Shabaaz give them men believe.
We players let we down....
A 32 year old hold down a EPL hot shot....
Peltier is a do do... he just good for posing on facebook and showing off he f00cking bogas tatoos....
Daniel shopping in a mall. He head in JC Penny while he playing football.....
Jagdeosingh came on and shit on de field.
Edwards wost that pull stones.... he is push stone.....
To much individual football.....
Hyland cant pass to save he life.
Guyana beat we !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.... nah boy........
Them men have no f000cking belly, I would kill for T&T...... them f00cokers only playing so they could pose on facebook....
De internet, Ipad and Ipod kill we footballers.... them men on pretty vibes..... watch Peliter score 2 on Guyana next game, but time to play, he shit on de field like a f00king bullardog !!!!
Pfister is a cunny, he make Jones de captain, s[color=red]ame mistake de WI did with Lara[/color]..... leave Jones let him focus on scoring..... give Phillip, James and Edwards de captain.... this is not Ghana....
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Jones didn't have any jamaicans to undermine him.....jess one muslim terrorist
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OK now that it official that is Brazil Arima we are heading can we all focus on Dec 8th the next time the 06 warriors have court. Much appreciated
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Lets see what happens now...Minister is supposed to order the TTFF to submit a report accounting for this debacle..because govt funding went into campaign..our taxpayers money....if we are serious we need to revamp administration, systems and seek solutions and way forward. Best way: look at who has been successful recently, not established football nations. Take Uruguay..excelling recently at all age levels, do a case study, examine what they have been doing right,send a delegation there...add your local flavour...
Cannot blame Pfister to a large extent...bad system,no warm up games...football like a lot of things in T and T has been run like a parlour for decades and we are paying for it now...Administration is balls in this country...what we would normally do now is play no games and dont train for a couple years till Gold Cup qualifiers or next set of WCQ, no continuity... U23s offer hope as they fightin up with good sides and Eve is doing a good job. But we continue to let good age group sides break up instead of aiding the continuity...where are the u20s who played so well in Nigeria 3 yrs ago? Bentick,Juma,etc. integrate these guys into the senior setup now and build towards 2018
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Allyuh can't be serious about Jones being captain cause we to lose the game. We lose from the time the admin. decide to have one prep. game for the round. TT football can't live on it past. It have to earn its FUTURE. They could have given Carlos the armband. No difference.
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OK now that it official that is Brazil Arima we are heading can we all focus on Dec 8th the next time the 06 warriors have court. Much appreciated
:beermug:
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ah guess after Tuesday we ain't seeing a game for the next 2 years?
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Ah Shameeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.....!!!!
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ah guess after Tuesday we ain't seeing a game for the next 2 years?
DA..... nobody will be interested in watchin them play for a long time BTW who cares
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Allyuh can't be serious about Jones being captain cause we to lose the game. We lose from the time the admin. decide to have one prep. game for the round. TT football can't live on it past. It have to earn its FUTURE. They could have given Carlos the armband. No difference.
We had 5 warm-up games to prepare for this game.
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shameful. how much lower we could go now?
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Allyuh can't be serious about Jones being captain cause we to lose the game. We lose from the time the admin. decide to have one prep. game for the round. TT football can't live on it past. It have to earn its FUTURE. They could have given Carlos the armband. No difference.
Men on here say we doh need no warm up game, Pfister in charge and this rounds of games is we warm up. Go figure.
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shameful. how much lower we could go now?
And to make matters worse boastful men like Contro who was guaranteeing that we would win are now nowhere to be seen! Now on suicide watch! :worried:
When he eventually comes back to post he'll probably try to blame me for the lost and not still learn from his embarrassing errors!!
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turn de stadium in an all year rong fukin party place,NO MORE f**kIN FOOTBALL
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turn de stadium in an all year rong f**kin party place,NO MORE f**kIN FOOTBALL
Now you're trying to give our hard wukking Minister of Sports Fete ideas!! ::)
Track & Field is still our most successful sport on the world stage and we need the stadium with the recently re-laid new mondo track for regular world class meets once the new T&F season reopens as we build-up for the Olympics!!
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shameful. how much lower we could go now?
Doh even ask hoss, doh even ask!
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How much men prepared to meet the team bus in Piarco with level rotten aloo and egg? Somebody organize nah...
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KENWYNE jones is shit! One lump ah shit!
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Plain and simple we not good enough. Even worse than that we play the ass for about four years. The last time the senior team was on a decent path was under Wim when we finished 2nd to superior Haitian team in the Digicel Cup.
Congratulations to Guyana. Qatar 2022 here we come.
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Congratulations to Guyana.
Congrats to Guyana indeed :beermug: They played with heart and commitment...things we lacked. :(
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Congrats Guyana,
I just depressed now...and Arsenal ent cheering me up in any way either.
It ent Pfister or TTFF fault...dem fellas pull facking stones.
I sorry for the Magicians too they and whoever else spend money to take that abuse..
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Congratulations to Guyana. Qatar 2022 here we come.
Not even Russia 2018? You moving harsh there dread... :)
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End of a road.
By: Shaun Fuentes (TTFF).
Trinidad and Tobago faced a harsh reality on Friday night as its 2014 World Cup qualifying campaign came to a depressing end following its 2-1 defeat to hosts Guyana at the National Stadium, Providence.
The result pushed Guyana to an uncatchable 13 points going into Tuesday’s encounter at the Hasely Crawford Stadium. Minnows Antigua and Barbuda, with a population of only 89,000 also created history by advancing to the semi-final round as they defeated Haiti 1-0 at home.
They now join USA, Guatemala and Jamaica in the next round. Guyana will tangle with El Salvador, Mexico and Costa Rica. And Trinidad and Tobago – a proper evaluation and regrouping in a concerted effort to get its football back on the path that it can bring a level of success, respect and admiration.
An 11th minute goal by Ricky Shakes, who once wore a T&T shirt in a friendly versus Iceland in 2006 and an 81st minute by Leon Court turned the “Soca Warriors” over as Guyana lived up to its pre-match predictions of a win over the visitors. A Kenwyne Jones 91st minute item came obviously too late for T&T.
It was the first time since the 1982 World Cup campaign when they drew 0-0 with Netherlands Antilles twice that T&T failed to progress into the penultimate qualifying round or semi-final stage of the qualifiers.
Trinidadian-born head coach Jamaal Shabazz appeared at a loss for words after Friday’s win saying only to some members of the T&T contingent “What can I say” as he too tried to come to terms with what undoubtedly was Guyana’s proudest footballing moment and one of their biggest ever sporting achievements.
T&T’s head coach Otto Pfister was left to ponder T&T’s exit which now leaves them looking ahead to the 2018 campaign, a few Caribbean and Concacaf Gold Cup campaigns in between and of course the upcoming 2012 Olympic qualifying campaign which thankfully the T&T Under 23 teams appears to be in a promising position.
“This my friends is something you never look forward to and it is something that is always difficult to accept and understand. But it must be a lesson in life for all of us. When you look back now, for me this campaign was lost when we lost in Bermuda.
If you look back at the round, that result made it difficult for us and we did not come back like we should. Okay this is life, you are out one day and then you have to decide how you pick yourself up and go again,” Pfister said after the match.
Days like this one are not what any player, staff member or supporter can stomach and it was a fact accepted by the players and staff following the match.
“Everything we are saying after the game in terms of what we should have done was said in the pre-match earlier today. We lacked a lot of things out there today. They wanted it more and now we have to face this defeat and see how much we really have that desire to succeed in the game,” Jones added.
Assistant coach Anton Corneal, in his talk with the players after the loss likened the performance by Guyana to the attitude of Guyanese workmen at his home in Trinidad.
“When I think about the situation now it reminds me of the two Guyanese workmen at my home. The reason they are there doing the work … it’s a job no other Trinidadian wants to do because it is not in their interest or they are not prepared to do a job like this.
The Guyanese men are prepared to work for $250 a day but the Trinidadian wants $400 for the same job and if you cannot give them that then they prefer to hang on the block and hustle. They are prepared to not do the job,” Corneal said.
“One particular night the two men came to me just before nighttime and asked to put up two lights in the backyard and I asked them if they were crazy… go home and we would work again tomorrow.
Their response was no sir, this is a job we have to finish tonight. And what we saw from the Guyanese team tonight was evidence of how much more they wanted it and an idea of their attitude and desire which we lacked badly as a team. This was the opportunity for them to show that.
“There are lot of things we can look back on but as players, staff and administrators we need to take a deeper look at what we’ve been doing, where we’ve gone wrong and how much we have to do to get better than we are right now. We cannot go back to our clubs and our homes and be like this just did not happen.
How can we do that? We cannot walk away like this just did not happen and we can’t do that in two weeks neither. What happened here must never again and that is what we need to tell ourselves. Don’t make it just about the Trinidad and Tobago national team, but take it with you back to your clubs and with your everyday life.
“They were not special and none of their players are better than us by any means but when it came down to desire and will to win the match, they got the better of us.
“Nobody is more disappointed than the players and the staff. We feel very sorry about the situation we’re in right now but at the end of the day we have to take a closer look at ourselves if we intend to improve what we are right now.
And it starts with a lot more passion and desire to give everything when we’re in it whether it be for the country’s national football team or in our own personal lives away from football,” Corneal continued.
The T&T dressing room felt exactly like one should at end of a game in which a World Cup qualifying dream turned into a nightmare finish. And a wall apart, the Guyanese team embraced the joy of victory.
“Oh Bangali Baboo, Oh Guyana Baboo, We are the very best ah de Guyanese Baboo” one avid teary eyed Guyanese fan shout and sang. Inside 15 minutes following the end of the game, while the majority of the crowd was still soaking in the win in the stands, some of them were already close to the dressing room area waiting to embrace their heroes.
“This is a fantastic victory for us and a wonderful feeling for me personally,” Shakes said. “We dreamt about this moment and we came here tonight and made it a reality.”
Shabazz added: “This is history for Guyana and we created it tonight by showing what belief, determination and a will to accomplish something can do for our lives and for a country. This is a moment we dreamt about, that I dreamt about and we worked together and made it happen.”
The T&T team returns home around midday on Saturday and will resume training on Tuesday, with a game that holds little significance except for some dignity to be played from 5pm. There has already been some hint from the coaching staff that the opportunity could be used to throw in some younger blood into the action at the Hasely Crawford Stadium.
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Golden Jaguars roars to historic win.
By Rawle Welch (Kaieteur News).
The setting was perfect, a packed National Stadium with fans decked out in yellow and Guyana’s ‘Golden Jaguars’ did not disappoint, beating the highly touted Trinidad and Tobago’s ‘Soca Warriors’ 2-1 last evening to advance to the third round of the FIFA 2014 World Cup qualifiers for the first time.
UK-based Ricky Shakes, who plays professionally, opened the scoring in the 10th minute with a magnificent volley that crashed into the far corner.
It came from a corner that saw an attempted clearance land in his path and without hesitation swivelled and hammered his effort past a surprised Marvin Phillip.
The Jaguars continued their relentless attack in the Trinidadians half for the better part of the opening half and had a few more opportunities to stretch their advantage, but Phillip’s brilliance denied time and again.
Buoyed by the support of the home fans and their early success, the Guyanese defenders marshalled by the experienced Charles ‘Lily’ Pollard kept the dreadlocked Stoke City star Kenwyne Jones on a close watch and even though the strategy of the Warriors was to feed the ball into him, Pollard and company were equal to the task.
Jones with the reputation in the Premiership of a deadly header was becoming increasingly frustrated with the robust defending of the Jaguars backline with Kayode McKinnon, Walter Moore and Charles Newton offering admirable support.
Dwain Jacobs, Cort, Gregory Richardson and Shakes kept the Trinidadian defence busy with some wonderful interchanges and Jacobs missed a solid chance to add another goal before the half, his tame attempt going straight at goalkeeper Phillip.
Richardson too was guilty of missing an opportunity shortly before the half when he dribbled past two defenders, but his stinging right footer sailed agonisingly outside the left upright.
It was a reprieve for the visitors. The half came with no team managing to add any further goals.
On the resumption, The Warriors pressed relentlessly for the equaliser, but once again Pollard stood tall, repelling the challenges of Jones and company much to the delight of the thousands of spectators that filled the arena.
The Trinis pressure was unremitting and it took some sturdy defending along with some magnificent stops from goalkeeper Ronson Williams to keep Guyana in the ascendancy.
Jones was looking the high calibre player that he is and executed some wonderful passes with the skilful Lester Peltier, who was creating some bother for the Guyanese, but as was the order of the day, the Jaguars wall stood firm, sealing every crack that the Warriors tried to exploit.
T&T won a free kick just outside the 25-yard box, but Akenaton Edwards’s powerful strike sailed harmlessly over the crossbar, giving Williams no trouble.
Shortly after, Jones won a free kick, but his shot went straight into the safe hands of Williams as the capacity crowd roared with delight.
Guyana was beginning to find second gear and got the cushion they were looking for when Leon Cort came from defence off a counter attack reached on to the end of a long pass and outran his markers, before rounding the goalkeeper and hammering a shot into the empty goal.
That came in the 81st minute of play.
It literally took everything out of the Warriors, except for their star Jones and he earned some solace for them when he stepped up to take a free kick that was awarded two minutes into injury time and his shot ricocheted off a Guyanese defender, wrong footed Williams in the process and landed at the back of the net.
It, however, was a little too late as shortly after the final whistle sounded giving the Jaguars a well deserved victory.
Following last night’s famous win, Guyana has now stepped into rarefied air, joining eleven other contenders in the hunt for six spots in the fourth round. The Golden Jaguars will be in Group B with the highest ranked CONCACAF side, Mexico (22), Costa Rica (62) and El Salvador (82). Guyana’s current world ranking is 97th.
The other eight qualifiers in the two remaining groups are: Group A – USA (34), Jamaica (50), Guatemala (99) and Antigua and Barbuda (90) and Group C – Honduras (57), Cuba (100), Panama (53) and Canada (83)
The third round fixtures will be played between June 8 and October 16, 2012. Six teams – the top two in each group – will advance to Round Four, which will be played between February 6 and October 15, 2013. The top three from the fourth round will qualify automatically for the 2014 World Cup in Brazil, while the fourth place will play in an Intercontinental playoff to possibly join them.
Meanwhile, among the distinguished guests who attended the game was President Bharrat Jagdeo, Minister of Sport Dr. Frank Anthony, members of the Diplomatic Corps and other notable personalities in the society.
Acting President Franklin Wilson speaking with Kaieteur Sport said he was lost for words, but commended the Jaguars for a determined display against worthy opponents.
He added that the camaraderie and discipline displayed by the players was exemplary and thanked the technical staff for their work as well.
“We knew that something special was in the making and as you saw it happened,” Wilson stated. He extended thanks to the fans, Government of Guyana and the corporate community for their support.
(http://www.kaieteurnewsonline.com/images/2011/11/Goal-scorers-Cort-and-Shakes-221x300.jpg)
Guyana’s goalscorers Leon Cort and Ricky Shakes pose for a photo op following the completion of the game.
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congrats to guyana.
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“Everything we are saying after the game in terms of what we should have done was said in the pre-match earlier today. We lacked a lot of things out there today. They wanted it more and now we have to face this defeat and see how much we really have that desire to succeed in the game,” Jones added.
How de ass dey coulda want it more, when we was basically in a must-win situation? Dey had two games tuh get de result dey needed. We could not have afforded to lose de first game, but we did not play in dat manner. We should have treated de game last night like ah cup final.
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End of a road.
By: Shaun Fuentes (TTFF).
Trinidad and Tobago faced a harsh reality on Friday night as its 2014 World Cup qualifying campaign came to a depressing end following its 2-1 defeat to hosts Guyana at the National Stadium, Providence.
The result pushed Guyana to an uncatchable 13 points going into Tuesday’s encounter at the Hasely Crawford Stadium. Minnows Antigua and Barbuda, with a population of only 89,000 also created history by advancing to the semi-final round as they defeated Haiti 1-0 at home.
They now join USA, Guatemala and Jamaica in the next round. Guyana will tangle with El Salvador, Mexico and Costa Rica. And Trinidad and Tobago – a proper evaluation and regrouping in a concerted effort to get its football back on the path that it can bring a level of success, respect and admiration.
An 11th minute goal by Ricky Shakes, who once wore a T&T shirt in a friendly versus Iceland in 2006 and an 81st minute by Leon Court turned the “Soca Warriors” over as Guyana lived up to its pre-match predictions of a win over the visitors. A Kenwyne Jones 91st minute item came obviously too late for T&T.
It was the first time since the 1982 World Cup campaign when they drew 0-0 with Netherlands Antilles twice that T&T failed to progress into the penultimate qualifying round or semi-final stage of the qualifiers.
Trinidadian-born head coach Jamaal Shabazz appeared at a loss for words after Friday’s win saying only to some members of the T&T contingent “What can I say” as he too tried to come to terms with what undoubtedly was Guyana’s proudest footballing moment and one of their biggest ever sporting achievements.
T&T’s head coach Otto Pfister was left to ponder T&T’s exit which now leaves them looking ahead to the 2018 campaign, a few Caribbean and Concacaf Gold Cup campaigns in between and of course the upcoming 2012 Olympic qualifying campaign which thankfully the T&T Under 23 teams appears to be in a promising position.
“This my friends is something you never look forward to and it is something that is always difficult to accept and understand. But it must be a lesson in life for all of us. When you look back now, for me this campaign was lost when we lost in Bermuda.
If you look back at the round, that result made it difficult for us and we did not come back like we should. Okay this is life, you are out one day and then you have to decide how you pick yourself up and go again,” Pfister said after the match.
Days like this one are not what any player, staff member or supporter can stomach and it was a fact accepted by the players and staff following the match.
“Everything we are saying after the game in terms of what we should have done was said in the pre-match earlier today. We lacked a lot of things out there today. They wanted it more and now we have to face this defeat and see how much we really have that desire to succeed in the game,” Jones added.
Assistant coach Anton Corneal, in his talk with the players after the loss likened the performance by Guyana to the attitude of Guyanese workmen at his home in Trinidad.
“When I think about the situation now it reminds me of the two Guyanese workmen at my home. The reason they are there doing the work … it’s a job no other Trinidadian wants to do because it is not in their interest or they are not prepared to do a job like this.
The Guyanese men are prepared to work for $250 a day but the Trinidadian wants $400 for the same job and if you cannot give them that then they prefer to hang on the block and hustle. They are prepared to not do the job,” Corneal said.
“One particular night the two men came to me just before nighttime and asked to put up two lights in the backyard and I asked them if they were crazy… go home and we would work again tomorrow.
Their response was no sir, this is a job we have to finish tonight. And what we saw from the Guyanese team tonight was evidence of how much more they wanted it and an idea of their attitude and desire which we lacked badly as a team. This was the opportunity for them to show that.
“There are lot of things we can look back on but as players, staff and administrators we need to take a deeper look at what we’ve been doing, where we’ve gone wrong and how much we have to do to get better than we are right now. We cannot go back to our clubs and our homes and be like this just did not happen.
How can we do that? We cannot walk away like this just did not happen and we can’t do that in two weeks neither. What happened here must never again and that is what we need to tell ourselves. Don’t make it just about the Trinidad and Tobago national team, but take it with you back to your clubs and with your everyday life.
“They were not special and none of their players are better than us by any means but when it came down to desire and will to win the match, they got the better of us.
“Nobody is more disappointed than the players and the staff. We feel very sorry about the situation we’re in right now but at the end of the day we have to take a closer look at ourselves if we intend to improve what we are right now.
And it starts with a lot more passion and desire to give everything when we’re in it whether it be for the country’s national football team or in our own personal lives away from football,” Corneal continued.
The T&T dressing room felt exactly like one should at end of a game in which a World Cup qualifying dream turned into a nightmare finish. And a wall apart, the Guyanese team embraced the joy of victory.
“Oh Bangali Baboo, Oh Guyana Baboo, We are the very best ah de Guyanese Baboo” one avid teary eyed Guyanese fan shout and sang. Inside 15 minutes following the end of the game, while the majority of the crowd was still soaking in the win in the stands, some of them were already close to the dressing room area waiting to embrace their heroes.
“This is a fantastic victory for us and a wonderful feeling for me personally,” Shakes said. “We dreamt about this moment and we came here tonight and made it a reality.”
Shabazz added: “This is history for Guyana and we created it tonight by showing what belief, determination and a will to accomplish something can do for our lives and for a country. This is a moment we dreamt about, that I dreamt about and we worked together and made it happen.”
The T&T team returns home around midday on Saturday and will resume training on Tuesday, with a game that holds little significance except for some dignity to be played from 5pm. There has already been some hint from the coaching staff that the opportunity could be used to throw in some younger blood into the action at the Hasely Crawford Stadium.
one of your best shaun. i like corneal's take. the sense that we entitled to: making it to the hex, $400 per job etc. etc. shake dat up. i feel like somebody close jus ded, but hopefully we cud identify the root & promise - never again.
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Same Stone weh di builder man refuse shall b da head Cornerstone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M96-04syqQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M96-04syqQ)
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Congrats Guyana....methinks from the grassroots level...TNT football and administration need to get to d lowest of d low as they are now...both footballers, administrators and d mental aspect of both need ah good PURGE..!!
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Congratulations to Guyana. Qatar 2022 here we come.
Not even Russia 2018? You moving harsh there dread... :)
Not even Russia .
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We could make 2018 if we stop the foolishness but with this set of jokers on board and influencing decisions I am very doubtful unless someone comes and saves the day when all hope is lost like it happened in 89!
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well, on the bright side, Guyana will surely be looking for somebody to play friendlies against in anticipation of their next round of qualifiers.
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well, on the bright side, Guyana will surely be looking for somebody to play friendlies against in anticipation of their next round of qualifiers.
Yup we could get some friendlies against El Salvador , Antigua , Guatemala , Costa Rica etc keep the team active
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MEXICO AND THE USA WILL ALWAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS BE AHEAD OF US! WHILST WE STRUGGLING TO BEAT GUYANA, MEXICO AND THE USA CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THEIR INTERNATIONAL EXPOSURE AND GAIN EXPERIENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?slug=ap-mexico-serbia
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I doh care who call me waggonist... I didn't watch, listen or follow thread posts/live updates of either the Bermuda games or this one. Simply put, I knew better than to get emotionally invested in this Brazil campaign... not interested. That said, I real surprised... and disappointed at this outcome. Even doh I tune out TnT football in dis rounds I still disappointed because my support or not, we should NEVER be in this situation... never!
This is unacceptable, and precisely the wake up call both diehards and casual football fans in TnT need, to realize that we really need to clean house, break it down and start over from scratch.
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I doh care who call me waggonist... I didn't watch, listen or follow thread posts/live updates of either the Bermuda games or this one. Simply put, I knew better than to get emotionally invested in this Brazil campaign... not interested. That said, I real surprised... and disappointed at this outcome. Even doh I tune out TnT football in dis rounds I still disappointed because my support or not, we should NEVER be in this situation... never!
This is unacceptable, and precisely the wake up call both diehards and casual football fans in TnT need, to realize that we really need to clean house, break it down and start over from scratch.
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Share your sentiments exactly.
this is a tragedy of unprecedented proportions, perhaps even more of a shocker and heartbreak since Ja beat us for the 1994 prelim qualifiers..
Total disgrace, that starts with the fans of T&T football who dont go and support club football and the Warriors when they play, to the business community to the TTFF to the coach to the players to the captain last night. Unfair to rest all blame on one person.
Total overhaul needed. Nothing can progress until we settle on a new TTFF, whose job it is to set strategy, policy and philosophy for our football programme.
The Gold Cup qualifiers next year becomes our priority now and a MUST to achieve.
Nothing coincidental with the advent of a blacklist due to greed and politics, non qualification for 2 consecutive gold cups and failure to get out the preliminary WC groups for the first time in 4 campaigns.
Our football is and has been in considerable decline since late 2006. And to make matters worse, we just dont seem to produce players of the calibre we used to. When last did we have a youngster come out like Jerren Nixon?
Good luck to the U-23's, interesting that Fuentes said we are in a good position to advance in that tourney!
Hope to see them on Tuesday.
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Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/v/wcY-oAgahFs
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Dem boy sleep on guyana, they though they had more talent, but talent alone don't get you nowhere. another thing that tief they head and give them ah false sense of security was the 4-0 thrashing of barbados. so now T&T have another nemesis, to add to the list of grenada and bermuda.
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I doh care who call me waggonist... I didn't watch, listen or follow thread posts/live updates of either the Bermuda games or this one. Simply put, I knew better than to get emotionally invested in this Brazil campaign... not interested. That said, I real surprised... and disappointed at this outcome. Even doh I tune out TnT football in dis rounds I still disappointed because my support or not, we should NEVER be in this situation... never!
This is unacceptable, and precisely the wake up call both diehards and casual football fans in TnT need, to realize that we really need to clean house, break it down and start over from scratch.
Bakes ah wish ah was as strong as you boy, and nobody cyah call you no waggonist...it's called self-preservation:)
I tried but dey pull meh back in, even get meh to pay meh $5.00 for the second-half, against meh better judgement...BUT NOW?!?!?! I good!! Not after watching men like Carlos and others constantly making bad pass and Kenwyne looking like de man de haters always say that he is,doh even talk bout free-kicks:(
I good, dey cyah worry me again, ah good horn never hurt me like dis...and if dey feel dey could tie me up wid Eve and he U-23 team and all dat hype, fack dat...Like Tim Tim used to say, "Ah fire de wuk"
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I doh care who call me waggonist... I didn't watch, listen or follow thread posts/live updates of either the Bermuda games or this one. Simply put, I knew better than to get emotionally invested in this Brazil campaign... not interested. That said, I real surprised... and disappointed at this outcome. Even doh I tune out TnT football in dis rounds I still disappointed because my support or not, we should NEVER be in this situation... never!
This is unacceptable, and precisely the wake up call both diehards and casual football fans in TnT need, to realize that we really need to clean house, break it down and start over from scratch.
Bakes, I knew we weren't going Brazil. However, I did expect us to beat Guyana and go on to the other round. For that I am disappointed too.....
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Bakes, I knew we weren't going Brazil. However, I did expect us to beat Guyana and go on to the other round. For that I am disappointed too.....
I didn't distance mihself because I didn't think we was going to qualify. People criticizing the TTFF and propping it up same time... allyuh cyah have it both ways, is either one or the other.
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ALL de reports I read say de same thing.Trinidad played with NO HEART !!!!!!!!
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http://www.newsday.co.tt/sport/0,150510.html
Pfister says campaign derailed by Bermuda
Sunday, November 13 2011
“YOU HAVE to pick yourself up and go again.”
These were the words of consolation offered by “Soca Warriors” coach Otto Pfister after the national team’s stunning 2-1 loss to Guyana on Friday in their FIFA World Cup qualifier at the Providence National Stadium in Guyana.
The loss effectively ended the “Soca Warriors” hopes of qualification for the 2014 World Cup to be held in Brazil.
According to Pfister the campaign may have been over well before the Friday game.
“When you look back now, for me this campaign was lost when we lost to Bermuda. If you look back at the round, that result made it difficult for us and we did not come back as we should,” said Pfister.
TT assistant coach Anton Corneal praise hosts on their victory and likened the game to the apparent work ethic of Guyanese immigrants in TT.
“When I think about the situation now it reminds me of two Guyanese workmen at my home,” said Corneal. He went on to say that these workmen did jobs Trinidadian workmen did not want. He said the performance on Friday night showed how much more the Guyanese wanted the win, with an attitude and desire that TT “lacked”.
Corneal said the players, staff and administrators needed to “take a deeper look at what we have been doing and where we went wrong and how much we have to do to be better than where we are right now.”
He said those involved cannot operate as if the loss never happened, but learn from it and prevent it from happening again.
While the TT dressing room was described as “melancholy” a wall away was the celebration by the Guyanese nationals who described the victory as “fantastic” and “wonderful.”
Speaking after the game, Guyana midfielder Ricky Shakes, who opened the goal scoring in the 11th minute said “we dreamt about this moment and we came here tonight and made it a reality.”
Guyana’s coach Jamaal Shabazz endorsed Shakes comment, adding, “this is history for Guyana and we created it tonight by showing what belief, determination and a will to accomplish something can do for our lives and our country. This is a moment we dreamt about and we worked together and made it happen”.
The TT team returned home yesterday and will have one game to be played against Guyana on Tuesday at the Hasely Crawford Stadium.
Although the game is of little significance as a qualifier, it remains a chance at retaining some dignity for the “Soca Warriors”.
Guyana advance to the next round of qualification with 13 points and will now face El Salvador, Mexico and Costa Rica.
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Otto should pick himself up and leave Trinidad on Wednesday morning! And I am sure he will laughing all the way to the bank in Deutchland!
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“When I think about the situation now it reminds me of two Guyanese workmen at my home,” said Corneal. He went on to say that these workmen did jobs Trinidadian workmen did not want. "
If that is not the most disrespectful comment I've heard coming from he mouth of a coach, then I don't know what is, poor choice of words.
Guyana won this game because they created and took their chances, and were in general better athletes than T&T players. I did notice how physically imposing the Guyanese players were over their T&T counterparts for the most part. Also appears that Guyana came into the game with a game plan that they stuck to for the entire 90 minutes...they had good tactical plan...which is shocking given that T&T coach is head and shoulders above the Guyana coach in terms of experience.
Still, Guyana has a long way to go to prepare for the next rounds, playing Caribbean teams will not prepare them for Costa Rica, Mexico, El Salvador, I believe that will be their biggest challenge moving forward. Attracting decent teams for warm-up games will also be a challenge given Guyana's FIFA ranking and general low profile in CONCACAF / world football.
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“When I think about the situation now it reminds me of two Guyanese workmen at my home,” said Corneal. He went on to say that these workmen did jobs Trinidadian workmen did not want. "
If that is not the most disrespectful comment I've heard coming from he mouth of a coach, then I don't know what is, poor choice of words.
Guyana won this game because they created and took their chances, and were in general better athletes than T&T players. I did notice how physically imposing the Guyanese players were over their T&T counterparts for the most part. Also appears that Guyana came into the game with a game plan that they stuck to for the entire 90 minutes...they had good tactical plan...which is shocking given that T&T coach is head and shoulders above the Guyana coach in terms of experience.
Still, Guyana has a long way to go to prepare for the next rounds, playing Caribbean teams will not prepare them for Costa Rica, Mexico, El Salvador, I believe that will be their biggest challenge moving forward. Attracting decent teams for warm-up games will also be a challenge given Guyana's FIFA ranking and general low profile in CONCACAF / world football.
Let me ask you ah question einstein, why the fack you care so much? yuh think ppl so blind on here that we can't assess the situation without your help.
talking all this crap about guyana was superior athletes to us, well lemme ask yuh this, when last guyana won anything?? since they are soooo superior to us! i swear, yuhs ah real maccomare man oui!!
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Change the thread title to "Campaign derailed by the TTFF".
While we blaming the players or Pfister.....it just seems to me like we are skirting around the REAL issue.
Is it Pfister or the players fault we played little or no international football in close to a year??
Is it Pfister or the players' fault that the only warm up game we played before this tournament was against INDIA??
Is it Pfister or the players' fault that the matter with the 2006 players still hanging over our football like a jumbie that wont go away??
Is it Pfister or the players' fault that we have no real plan for developing football in T&T??
I doh know I jess asking....
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Bakes, I knew we weren't going Brazil. However, I did expect us to beat Guyana and go on to the other round. For that I am disappointed too.....
I didn't distance mihself because I didn't think we was going to qualify. People criticizing the TTFF and propping it up same time... allyuh cyah have it both ways, is either one or the other.
You mean we should have not gone to the games at all?? Just trying to clarify that bolded part.....
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Bakes, I knew we weren't going Brazil. However, I did expect us to beat Guyana and go on to the other round. For that I am disappointed too.....
I didn't distance mihself because I didn't think we was going to qualify. People criticizing the TTFF and propping it up same time... allyuh cyah have it both ways, is either one or the other.
Good talk. I thought and wrote here that Anil roberts should have denied 2014 funding, but I have been supporting the team online since. And its time to stop. Don't have much choice anyway. The only dilemma is supporting the U-23s, which the ttff has done right by. But the next Gold Cup talk, 2018 talk and the friendlies talk...I done. That is counter productive with the same people minding the store
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You mean we should have not gone to the games at all?? Just trying to clarify that bolded part.....
I not trying to be rude, but interpret it however yuh want. People love to talk about how they 'supporting de Warriors' as though this is de local church league side they supporting, these are grown men, and in most cases paid professionals. TTFF free to blacklist, tief from fans, tief government money, and otherwise treat both players and fans with disdain yet both groups continue to participate in the charade.
Players I could understand because national caps does affect their livelihood... but what fans getting outta it? I not on no campaign and I not calling for no boycott... we done been there already. At this point is up to each man to figure out fuh deyself what they want to do... grouse and keep going back fuh more, or unplug from de matrix until the Administration start taking fans seriously.
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You mean we should have not gone to the games at all?? Just trying to clarify that bolded part.....
I not trying to be rude, but interpret it however yuh want. People love to talk about how they 'supporting de Warriors' as though this is de local church league side they supporting, these are grown men, and in most cases paid professionals. TTFF free to blacklist, tief from fans, tief government money, and otherwise treat both players and fans with disdain yet both groups continue to participate in the charade.
Players I could understand because national caps does affect their livelihood... but what fans getting outta it? I not on no campaign and I not calling for no boycott... we done been there already. At this point is up to each man to figure out fuh deyself what they want to do... grouse and keep going back fuh more, or unplug from de matrix until the Administration start taking fans seriously.
Ah hear yuh.....
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For those in Trini the 1st game showing now on WI Sports Ch 14
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http://www.youtube.com/v/_s4tyNOL5js
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http://www.youtube.com/v/_s4tyNOL5js
Nice interview!! Shaun is getting really good at this!!
Asking all the right & difficult questions is what makes a good journalist!! :beermug:
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Ah day i will never forget, after we struggled to gat a new start with ah promising new coach, like the jamaicans love to say, what ah bam bam.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gBexFQHFpg
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One of the many valleys that T&T football has descended into in recent years. Although it hurts me to watch footage of that fateful match, it serves as a reality check of where the state of the game stands in T&T.