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Sports => Football => Topic started by: Socapro on November 29, 2011, 01:14:58 AM
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http://www.newsday.co.tt/sport/0,151433.html
John released, Birchall ‘unprotected’
Tuesday, November 29 2011
ACE “Soca Warriors” Stern John is now a free agent as his contract with Pro League team DIRECTV North East Stars was not renewed by the team’s management.
According to the team’s owner/president Darryl Mahabir, “we had a three- month contract and it came to an end.”
Mahabir added that the management decided not to renew the contract of the 35-year-old, who joined the club in August after recovering from a year-long right knee injury.
John has scored 70 goals for the national team in his 114-game international career, and was in the “Soca Warriors” team beaten 2-1 Guyana in Georgetown in their CONCACAF zone World Cup qualifiers and out of Brazil 2014.
In related news, midfielder Chris Birchall, who, like John, last played for the “Soca Warriors” in their defeat away to Guyana, was placed on the unprotected player list by his American Major League Soccer (MLS) club Los Angeles Galaxy.
Birchall was a member of the LA Galaxy team which defeated the Houston Dynamos 1-0 on a goal by Landon Donovan, to win the MLS Cup one week ago.
A story on the Galaxy website stated that the 27-year-old central midfielder is among 16 players on the unprotected list ahead of the MLS Expansion Draft for the Montreal Impact.
“Teams that competed this past season were allowed to protect 11 players as well as any Generation Adidas or Homegrown players,” the story said.
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There seems to be a trend that something is going on with our players,they are just not worth what they were used too,look at the situation that these guys are in,Jason Scotland,Carlos Edwards,Kenwyne Jones,Jloyd Samuel,Sterling John,Chris Birchall etc etc guys are either struggling to get/keep contracts,being released by clubs,being benched/limited playing time.
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Leaving Birchall unprotected does not mean he is not wanted. The team could only protect 11 and he has not been a consistent starter and is paid better than several other Galaxy players. In fact, they are more than likely taking a gamble that he will not be taken and that he will return to the Galaxy! That is how the system works.
As for Stern John, it is time that he, and all of us, acknowledge that his date is past due. Now the TTFF can roll up their sleeves, step up, and prove their worth by inviting one of the EFA league teams he played for to a testimonial friendly for him, so we could all say thanks to him and wish him adieu. And an opportunity for a game for our national team.
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There seems to be a trend that something is going on with our players,they are just not worth what they were used too,look at the situation that these guys are in,Jason Scotland,Carlos Edwards,Kenwyne Jones,Jloyd Samuel,Sterling John,Chris Birchall etc etc guys are either struggling to get/keep contracts,being released by clubs,being benched/limited playing time.
getting older does cause dem ting yes,,,whey yuh go do
even ah fitness powerhouse like Yorke does hadda put on ah shiny suit and talk bout de football instead
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There seems to be a trend that something is going on with our players,they are just not worth what they were used too,look at the situation that these guys are in,Jason Scotland,Carlos Edwards,Kenwyne Jones,Jloyd Samuel,Sterling John,Chris Birchall etc etc guys are either struggling to get/keep contracts,being released by clubs,being benched/limited playing time.
getting older does cause dem ting yes,,,whey yuh go do
even ah fitness powerhouse like Yorke does hadda put on ah shiny suit and talk bout de football instead
:rotfl: :rotfl: eh eh, dat suit take win!
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Stern John moves on
North East Stars Media
Trinidad & Tobago's record goalscorer, Stern John has completed his three month agreement with DIRECTV North East Stars and will now move on to new challenges. The Sangre Grande based club revealed that Johns agreement with the club had now ended and thanked the 35 year old former Birmingham, Sunderland and Ipswich Town striker for his services.
"Its been a great boost to the club, having Stern around" said C.E.O. Brent Sancho. "Obviously, Stern and I go back a long way, having played together for the National team. But its been great for the younger lads having an icon like Stern to train with every day. When you see how he pulls aside players like Kaydion Gabriel for extra shooting practice after training has finished, it reminds you how much Stern still has to offer the game."
North East President, Darryl Mahabir said "It was a great priviledge to have a player with Sterns pedigree at the club. We knew we could not afford to keep him permanently because he can certainly command a greater wage overseas, but the circumstances were right at the time for us to sign Stern on a temporary basis." Mahabir said the investment didn't really pay off for North East due to the State of Emergency. "Our aim was always to offset Sterns wages by marketing our games to increase attendances as well as selling replica shirts. However, once the SOE disrupted the Pro League fixtures we only saw Stern in a North East shirt for 2 Pro League matches, in which he scored one goal."
Asked if he thought that signing John was a bad investment for the club, Mahabir replied " Not at all. Thats football, sometimes. We knew Stern needed to get match fit for the World Cup Qualifiers and we felt that we could help the countrys' World Cup efforts by signing Stern and raise the profile of North East at the same time. No one could have forseen the disruption to fixtures caused by the S.O.E. and of course Stern was struck by tragedy when, sadly, his mother passed away. I just hope that being around the team at that time helped to combat his grief."
North East Stars Operations Director, Kevin Harrison said "Its been great having a legend like Stern around." Harrison said that in England, Stern was one of those players who was admired by supporters of many clubs. "Of course, Sterns goalscoring record meant that many supporters hated seeing him line up for the opposition! Stern was part of two teams that won promotion to the Premiership, Birmingham City and Sunderland and I was delighted to see him play at the highest level." Harrison added that he was excited when he knew that Stern was joining North East Stars. "It was great, as not only would he add some glamour to the Pro League, but the marketing possibilities were fantastic. However, circumstances beyond our control meant that we could never really take advantage. Of course, we knew we could never hold on to him for longer than 3 months. Stern could still walk into any League 1 club in England, and probably many Championship clubs for that matter"
North Easts Director of Football Operations, Kevin Jeffrey, a close friend of John, said "We're all sad to see Stern leave, but we wish him well for the future. I'm sure he'll be signing with an overseas club in the next few weeks. The last few months have been very emotional for Stern, and I'm sure he's looking to make a fresh start overseas"
North East Stars will now be looking to replace John with some new faces. "We have been talking to some T&T internationals as well as players from Colombia and Brazil" said Mahabir. "We will also look closer to home at younger players who have stood out in the Super League as well as our Champion of Champions tournament."
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getting older does cause dem ting yes,,,whey yuh go do
even ah fitness powerhouse like Yorke does hadda put on ah shiny suit and talk bout de football instead
:rotfl: :rotfl: eh eh, dat suit take win!
what if allyuh was gettin dat suit for free?............allyuh wouldn't wear it............seriously ???
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I just saw a report on TV6 that John thought that North East Stars were unprofessional in the way he was released. Unfortunately, I was interrupted by my neighbour and didn't get the full story.......
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I just saw a report on TV6 that John thought that North East Stars were unprofessional in the way he was released. Unfortunately, I was interrupted by my neighbour and didn't get the full story.......
John claims he opted to leave North East Stars
Striker Stern John says news that he was released by DirecTV North East Stars came as a shock since he requested to leave the T&T Pro League club weeks ago. John signed a three-month contract earlier this year after deciding to stay in T&T to be close to his mother who had been ailing and subsequently passed away. “It was a surprise when I saw that the club said to the Press that they released me.” John said he was disappointed with the way the club handled the separation. “The reason I came back was because my mom was sick and the T&T manager told me I should be with a club so I decided to go to North East. We just had a verbal agreement which allowed me to leave when I wanted.”
John said he decided to leave about a week and a half ago. “I informed the club CEO Brent Sancho and I wished them all the best. I also went to the club with intentions to help the younger players or bring something to the club from my past experience,” John added. John described his time at North East Stars as a joke. “The set up was never really organised. We had situations where players were training when they wanted and reaching late for matches. I’d never seen that before in my professional career. The club owner is passionate and means well but he’s too much involved. He needs to let the players play their football and let the staff get the job done.” The T&T all-time leading goalscorer will leave for the United States to hold talks with clubs in the MLS and the USL First Division which have expressed interest in his services for the next season.
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I just saw a report on TV6 that John thought that North East Stars were unprofessional in the way he was released. Unfortunately, I was interrupted by my neighbour and didn't get the full story.......
John claims he opted to leave North East Stars
Striker Stern John says news that he was released by DirecTV North East Stars came as a shock since he requested to leave the T&T Pro League club weeks ago. John signed a three-month contract earlier this year after deciding to stay in T&T to be close to his mother who had been ailing and subsequently passed away. “It was a surprise when I saw that the club said to the Press that they released me.” John said he was disappointed with the way the club handled the separation. “The reason I came back was because my mom was sick and the T&T manager told me I should be with a club so I decided to go to North East. We just had a verbal agreement which allowed me to leave when I wanted.”
John said he decided to leave about a week and a half ago. “I informed the club CEO Brent Sancho and I wished them all the best. I also went to the club with intentions to help the younger players or bring something to the club from my past experience,” John added. John described his time at North East Stars as a joke. “The set up was never really organised. We had situations where players were training when they wanted and reaching late for matches. I’d never seen that before in my professional career. The club owner is passionate and means well but he’s too much involved. He needs to let the players play their football and let the staff get the job done.” The T&T all-time leading goalscorer will leave for the United States to hold talks with clubs in the MLS and the USL First Division which have expressed interest in his services for the next season.
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Well well well. I going with Stern version on this one. How yuh go say that yuh release Stern John from ah PFL team ???
They coulda say mutually agreed to part ways, but to say yuh release him? He deserve more respect than that.
Who responsible for that release to the media? Obviously the owner, but Sancho should know better than that and have ah say, after all he is the CEO
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Stern John Lying,NE Stars!you mean the model team/club in T&T,well boy is you pardner and them.I like the line when he said NE is a joke,he didn't have to tell me that.
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Another point from that article is John said de owner to involve.It was like that in de past but I taught things change since Sancho and company came in but apparently not.
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I just saw a report on TV6 that John thought that North East Stars were unprofessional in the way he was released. Unfortunately, I was interrupted by my neighbour and didn't get the full story.......
John claims he opted to leave North East Stars
Striker Stern John says news that he was released by DirecTV North East Stars came as a shock since he requested to leave the T&T Pro League club weeks ago. John signed a three-month contract earlier this year after deciding to stay in T&T to be close to his mother who had been ailing and subsequently passed away. “It was a surprise when I saw that the club said to the Press that they released me.” John said he was disappointed with the way the club handled the separation. “The reason I came back was because my mom was sick and the T&T manager told me I should be with a club so I decided to go to North East. We just had a verbal agreement which allowed me to leave when I wanted.”
John said he decided to leave about a week and a half ago. “I informed the club CEO Brent Sancho and I wished them all the best. I also went to the club with intentions to help the younger players or bring something to the club from my past experience,” John added. John described his time at North East Stars as a joke. “The set up was never really organised. We had situations where players were training when they wanted and reaching late for matches. I’d never seen that before in my professional career. The club owner is passionate and means well but he’s too much involved. He needs to let the players play their football and let the staff get the job done.” The T&T all-time leading goalscorer will leave for the United States to hold talks with clubs in the MLS and the USL First Division which have expressed interest in his services for the next season.
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Well well well. I going with Stern version on this one. How yuh go say that yuh release Stern John from ah PFL team ???
They coulda say mutually agreed to part ways, but to say yuh release him? He deserve more respect than that.
Who responsible for that release to the media? Obviously the owner, but Sancho should know better than that and have ah say, after all he is the CEO
This was the only comment made in response to a media enquiry. Where does it say he was released? Does it say Stern was rubbish? Do you know why the club decided not to renew the contract? Then you have a comprehensive press release to study, but choose to ignore, even Sancho's comments which you appear to have overlooked.
According to the team’s owner/president Darryl Mahabir, “we had a three- month contract and it came to an end.”
Mahabir added that the management decided not to renew the contract of the 35-year-old, who joined the club in August after recovering from a year-long right knee injury.
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I just saw a report on TV6 that John thought that North East Stars were unprofessional in the way he was released. Unfortunately, I was interrupted by my neighbour and didn't get the full story.......
John claims he opted to leave North East Stars
Striker Stern John says news that he was released by DirecTV North East Stars came as a shock since he requested to leave the T&T Pro League club weeks ago. John signed a three-month contract earlier this year after deciding to stay in T&T to be close to his mother who had been ailing and subsequently passed away. “It was a surprise when I saw that the club said to the Press that they released me.” John said he was disappointed with the way the club handled the separation. “The reason I came back was because my mom was sick and the T&T manager told me I should be with a club so I decided to go to North East. We just had a verbal agreement which allowed me to leave when I wanted.”
John said he decided to leave about a week and a half ago. “I informed the club CEO Brent Sancho and I wished them all the best. I also went to the club with intentions to help the younger players or bring something to the club from my past experience,” John added. John described his time at North East Stars as a joke. “The set up was never really organised. We had situations where players were training when they wanted and reaching late for matches. I’d never seen that before in my professional career. The club owner is passionate and means well but he’s too much involved. He needs to let the players play their football and let the staff get the job done.” The T&T all-time leading goalscorer will leave for the United States to hold talks with clubs in the MLS and the USL First Division which have expressed interest in his services for the next season.
guardian
Well well well. I going with Stern version on this one. How yuh go say that yuh release Stern John from ah PFL team ???
They coulda say mutually agreed to part ways, but to say yuh release him? He deserve more respect than that.
Who responsible for that release to the media? Obviously the owner, but Sancho should know better than that and have ah say, after all he is the CEO
This was the only comment made in response to a media enquiry. Where does it say he was released? Does it say Stern was rubbish? Do you know why the club decided not to renew the contract? Then you have a comprehensive press release to study, but choose to ignore, even Sancho's comments which you appear to have overlooked.
According to the team’s owner/president Darryl Mahabir, “we had a three- month contract and it came to an end.”
Mahabir added that the management decided not to renew the contract of the 35-year-old, who joined the club in August after recovering from a year-long right knee injury.
How the management go decide to not renew the contract when Stern say it was a verbal agreement which allowed him to leave when he wanted?
Like ah say it woulda been better to say both parties decided to part ways mutually, but any how you take it Mahabir say he decide to not renew the contract, no difference really.
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I just saw a report on TV6 that John thought that North East Stars were unprofessional in the way he was released. Unfortunately, I was interrupted by my neighbour and didn't get the full story.......
John claims he opted to leave North East Stars
Striker Stern John says news that he was released by DirecTV North East Stars came as a shock since he requested to leave the T&T Pro League club weeks ago. John signed a three-month contract earlier this year after deciding to stay in T&T to be close to his mother who had been ailing and subsequently passed away. “It was a surprise when I saw that the club said to the Press that they released me.” John said he was disappointed with the way the club handled the separation. “The reason I came back was because my mom was sick and the T&T manager told me I should be with a club so I decided to go to North East. We just had a verbal agreement which allowed me to leave when I wanted.”
John said he decided to leave about a week and a half ago. “I informed the club CEO Brent Sancho and I wished them all the best. I also went to the club with intentions to help the younger players or bring something to the club from my past experience,” John added. John described his time at North East Stars as a joke. “The set up was never really organised. We had situations where players were training when they wanted and reaching late for matches. I’d never seen that before in my professional career. The club owner is passionate and means well but he’s too much involved. He needs to let the players play their football and let the staff get the job done.” The T&T all-time leading goalscorer will leave for the United States to hold talks with clubs in the MLS and the USL First Division which have expressed interest in his services for the next season.
guardian
Well well well. I going with Stern version on this one. How yuh go say that yuh release Stern John from ah PFL team ???
They coulda say mutually agreed to part ways, but to say yuh release him? He deserve more respect than that.
Who responsible for that release to the media? Obviously the owner, but Sancho should know better than that and have ah say, after all he is the CEO
This was the only comment made in response to a media enquiry. Where does it say he was released? Does it say Stern was rubbish? Do you know why the club decided not to renew the contract? Then you have a comprehensive press release to study, but choose to ignore, even Sancho's comments which you appear to have overlooked.
According to the team’s owner/president Darryl Mahabir, “we had a three- month contract and it came to an end.”
Mahabir added that the management decided not to renew the contract of the 35-year-old, who joined the club in August after recovering from a year-long right knee injury.
How the management go decide to not renew the contract when Stern say it was a verbal agreement which allowed him to leave when he wanted?
Like ah say it woulda been better to say both parties decided to part ways mutually, but any how you take it Mahabir say he decide to not renew the contract, no difference really.
I hear you. Syntax is so important. On one hand, Stern says he had decided to leave, on the other Mahabir says he decided not to renew the contract. The conversation that took place in between is the key, and we will never know what that was.
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John claims he opted to leave North East Stars
Striker Stern John says news that he was released by DirecTV North East Stars came as a shock since he requested to leave the T&T Pro League club weeks ago. John signed a three-month contract earlier this year after deciding to stay in T&T to be close to his mother who had been ailing and subsequently passed away. “It was a surprise when I saw that the club said to the Press that they released me.” John said he was disappointed with the way the club handled the separation. “The reason I came back was because my mom was sick and the T&T manager told me I should be with a club so I decided to go to North East. We just had a verbal agreement which allowed me to leave when I wanted.”
John said he decided to leave about a week and a half ago. “I informed the club CEO Brent Sancho and I wished them all the best. I also went to the club with intentions to help the younger players or bring something to the club from my past experience,” John added. John described his time at North East Stars as a joke. “The set up was never really organised. We had situations where players were training when they wanted and reaching late for matches. I’d never seen that before in my professional career. The club owner is passionate and means well but he’s too much involved. He needs to let the players play their football and let the staff get the job done.” The T&T all-time leading goalscorer will leave for the United States to hold talks with clubs in the MLS and the USL First Division which have expressed interest in his services for the next season.
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What is more interestig is that John said North East Stars is a joke and that the set up was never really organised. They had situations where players were training when they wanted and reaching late for matches, he say he never seen that before in his professional career.
I always though Brent Sancho would be everything but disorganised and unprofessional knowing that he worked with the TTFF in the past.
Players reaching late for matches and training when they like, no wonder North East Stars cant win nothing this year so far.
They need to get serious and tell Roman Abramovich Darryl Mahabir to take a back seat and let the players play their game, this could affect the players. The coach also need to get seriours and run de club like a professional outfit, discipline is important and at the same time players must feel comfortable.
And I wanted Sancho to take over from Camps, but that now might be a bad idea ?
I am surprise as hell....
PS: Like Sancho only studing to sell Fried Chicken in Port of Spain in he mobile Japs outlet.
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Sour grapes is ah hell of ah thing yes.
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What is more interestig is that John said North East Stars is a joke and that the set up was never really organised. They had situations where players were training when they wanted and reaching late for matches, he say he never seen that before in his professional career.
I always though Brent Sancho would be everything but disorganised and unprofessional knowing that he worked with the TTFF in the past.
Players reaching late for matches and training when they like, no wonder North East Stars cant win nothing this year so far.
They need to get serious and tell Roman Abramovich Darryl Mahabir to take a back seat and let the players play their game, this could affect the players. The coach also need to get seriours and run de club like a professional outfit, discipline is important and at the same time players must feel comfortable.
And I wanted Sancho to take over from Camps, but that now might be a bad idea ?
I am surprise as hell....
PS: Like Sancho only studing to sell Fried Chicken in Port of Spain in he mobile Japs outlet.
Well look what Sam gone and say now..... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Footballer Supporter go vex now..... :rotfl:
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What is more interestig is that John said North East Stars is a joke and that the set up was never really organised. They had situations where players were training when they wanted and reaching late for matches, he say he never seen that before in his professional career.
I always though Brent Sancho would be everything but disorganised and unprofessional knowing that he worked with the TTFF in the past.
Players reaching late for matches and training when they like, no wonder North East Stars cant win nothing this year so far.
They need to get serious and tell Roman Abramovich Darryl Mahabir to take a back seat and let the players play their game, this could affect the players. The coach also need to get seriours and run de club like a professional outfit, discipline is important and at the same time players must feel comfortable.
And I wanted Sancho to take over from Camps, but that now might be a bad idea ?
I am surprise as hell....
PS: Like Sancho only studing to sell Fried Chicken in Port of Spain in he mobile Japs outlet.
Well look what Sam gone and say now..... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Footballer Supporter go vex now..... :rotfl:
Nah, I'm not vexed, just amused at how small minded people can be. You ever consider that the best paid player in the Pro League only played two league matches and yet now disrespects the man who paid him far more than any other player is earning?
Tell me Sam, which "Players reaching late for matches and training when they like"? You seem to know the inside track. Or are you just parroting what Stern said? Because if so, you're a fool to comment when you only hear one side of a story. There are things that should remain inside the dressing room. Players making statements such as these can seriously damage their careers, but have you considered the possible fallout? Maybe Mahabir does get involved too much. Maybe Abromovich does. Maybe the Glazers and Gillettes do. But you know what? Its their perogative because they invest millions. I didn't hear Stern complain to the media when he was collecting his monthly cheque. Mahabir seemed to be ok then.
You should be focusing on the damage this could do to T&T football. You think DIRECTV will be happy to read this? They put more into the Pro League than the sponsors, Digicel. So does Mahabir. If they pull their sponsorship, all of Sterns ex team mates will lose their jobs. And while the clubs are desperate to attract sponsors, this can only turn more sponsors away.
And all this because Mahabir said a fact: The club decided not to renew Sterns contract. Do you think it was right to renew it? Stern, by his own admission, only signed with North East to get onto the National team. North East will be signing four new players with the money Stern was paid, including two National team players with experience in the U.S. leagues and a quality Colombian striker.
As for being professional, then see the North East press release. Players (and clubs) should not wash their dirty linen in public, it only damages the game and personal reputations and players very rarely end up coming off best.
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Nah man Stern....all that talk was uncalled for....The club was maybe the only club who was willing to pay you that kind of money, so you can play/train everyday to be on the MNT
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Nah man Stern....all that talk was uncalled for....The club was maybe the only club who was willing to pay you that kind of money, so you can play/train everyday to be on the MNT
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Stern lose some marks there!
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Stern has no reason to lie, what kind of money he could make with NE Stars? Maximum 1000GBP a month?
No way he was staying for longer that the 3 months unless TT was still involved in the WC.
The reason for playing for NES is obvious, match fitness and anybody who klnows Stern would tell you he is a disciplined professional and would have been shocked of the trainig indiscipline that exists in most clubs in the Pro League.
I admire Stern for speaking out about the indiscipline in local football and hope that these sort of comments do some good.
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Stern has no reason to lie, what kind of money he could make with NE Stars? Maximum 1000GBP a month?
No way he was staying for longer that the 3 months unless TT was still involved in the WC.
The reason for playing for NES is obvious, match fitness and anybody who klnows Stern would tell you he is a disciplined professional and would have been shocked of the trainig indiscipline that exists in most clubs in the Pro League.
I admire Stern for speaking out about the indiscipline in local football and hope that these sort of comments do some good.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: Come on Mr Harison,you just come off giving a presentation on the future of Football in T&T at the Football Consultation meeting a few days ago,you are one of the guys with bright ideas for Football in the country,you have been carrying NE Stars on your back for some time now,let us know what's going on.
Sam is right,i too am surprised i thought Sancho was in control,who runs those charities?who hires and fires players?who selects the the players who starts and makes the subs on NE Stars?who runs the Youth programs?how many players in the club are paid professionals?why Sancho and Jefries were on the bench in certain games? etc etc this more sound like a JW run club if you ask me,Daryl not easy.
What i like with you is you have good excuses for everything,i am sure there are players who don't get paid,holding down a daily job and are expected to be on time for practices and games just like Stern,Sancho in one person should know how this feels because he is one of our WC heroes and future President.
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Football Supporter, I only going but what Stern John said in PUBLIC bra.
So you telling me Stern John is a big time lier ?
PS: By now you should know Trini ole talk, don't take me serious.... I too dont like the way Stern John handle this.. he, Jeffrey and Sancho went back to long for him to come in public and bash them man... they could have iron this out better.
John delivers parting shot at Stars
Trinidad Newsday.
Thursday, December 1 2011
NATIONAL striker, Stern John, delivered a parting shot to his former club North East Stars yesterday, criticising their setup.
John refuted reports that the club decided not to renew his contract and stated it was he who made the decision to leave.
“It was a surprise to me when I saw that the club said to the press that they released me,” John said.
“I never really had a contract with them (North East Stars) to begin with and I was disappointed with the way they handled it.
“The whole reason behind me coming back was because my mom was sick at the time and then the Trinidad and Tobago manager told me that I should be with a club and I decided to go to North East and play there while I was in Trinidad.
“We just had a verbal agreement and it entailed me being able to leave when I wanted.
“My mom has since passed away and obviously we didn’t progress in the World Cup qualification. I decided that I wanted to part ways with North East Stars and then I woke up and heard what the club owner had to say.
“I decided to leave maybe a week and a half ago and I informed the club CEO Brent Sancho that it was time for me to move on and I wished them all the best...I just think the way they handled it was in poor taste,” John ended.
The former Sunderland player criticised the professionalism of some of his ex-teammates. Commenting on the current state of local football, John bashed the ‘arm- chair’ critics and said there have been too many negative comments and not positive criticism.
“There are a lot of people who should know better who’ve been having a bit too much to say. They always tend to think they have the answers...Okay maybe there are some aspects where the federation could operate better but being on the inside I’ve seen efforts being made to have positive change and it will take some time.
“But rather than just talk too much about it, some of these guys need to try and get their act together when it comes to local football and not just bash the TTFF or the Pro League,” John continued.
“ I think a lot of people want it for personal reasons and this is our football and our national team and they should instead try to come together and try to find the solutions to try and help our football rise again,” John concluded.
John will be leaving for the United States to hold talks with a couple clubs in the MLS and the USL First Division who have expressed interest in his services for the 2012 season.
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Stern has no reason to lie, what kind of money he could make with NE Stars? Maximum 1000GBP a month?
No way he was staying for longer that the 3 months unless TT was still involved in the WC.
The reason for playing for NES is obvious, match fitness and anybody who klnows Stern would tell you he is a disciplined professional and would have been shocked of the trainig indiscipline that exists in most clubs in the Pro League.
I admire Stern for speaking out about the indiscipline in local football and hope that these sort of comments do some good.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: Come on Mr Harison,you just come off giving a presentation on the future of Football in T&T at the Football Consultation meeting a few days ago,you are one of the guys with bright ideas for Football in the country,you have been carrying NE Stars on your back for some time now,let us know what's going on.
Sam is right,i too am surprised i thought Sancho was in control,who runs those charities?who hires and fires players?who selects the the players who starts and makes the subs on NE Stars?who runs the Youth programs?how many players in the club are paid professionals?why Sancho and Jefries were on the bench in certain games? etc etc this more sound like a JW run club if you ask me,Daryl not easy.
What i like with you is you have good excuses for everything,i am sure there are players who don't get paid,holding down a daily job and are expected to be on time for practices and games just like Stern,Sancho in one person should know how this feels because he is one of our WC heroes and future President.
Eh what you on about Coop's ??? ??? ???
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After reading the new Sam posted there, it sounds like Stern John priming up himself for a job in the TTFF.
And Sam right, I too i'm very surprise by Sancho movements, hopefully, Sancho will do a release to clear this up, so we can hear both sides.
Stern John can't be lying ?
But he did handle this issue wrong though going public, maybe he had a fall out with Sancho and company ?
Stars took Stern when he was clubless he should show a little more respect.
They paid him $20,000 a month and all he have for it is one goal in 3 months.
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Stern feel bad/insulted that the man say he get released so he try to clarify the situation...but he didn"t need to go on about the owner wanting to be the waterboy and all the criticism about the organisation. That was unprofessional
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Sam, there are always two sides to each story. Stern can make rash statements, but North East have to consider their public position.
Its incredibly difficult to get sponsors interested in the Pro League and you can bet that this will create concern with those sponsors. They can't just shoot from the hip.
I don't know if Stern was trying to damage the club, and he's certainly entitled to his opinion. As long as he's aware that if he "breaks the code" he had better be sure that he is above criticism himself. I wouldn't imagine Stern would lie, but most of his statements are his opinion. And his opinion may not be valid. It certainly seems he has turned his back on his friends and is backing TTFF. Strange considering that today he will be attempting to bankrupt them in court!!
Its also interesting to see him attack Sancho for wanting TTFF replaced.
“But rather than just talk too much about it, some of these guys need to try and get their act together when it comes to local football and not just bash the TTFF or the Pro League,” John continued.
“ I think a lot of people want it for personal reasons and this is our football and our national team and they should instead try to come together and try to find the solutions to try and help our football rise again,” John concluded.
So what is Stern doing for football? This statement is very damaging to the ProLeague and the clubs? How is this"coming together"? Why is he running off to USA when he could stay and coach here? After all, he's saying nthat clubs and players aren't professional, so nows his chance to bring his knowledge to T&T. Very hypocritical.
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Stern feel bad/insulted that the man say he get released so he try to clarify the situation...but he didn"t need to go on about the owner wanting to be the waterboy and all the criticism about the organisation. That was unprofessional
Thank you Spidey. NE Stars/Sancho also stood by him with his run in with the law the other day......if I'm wrong about that I stand to be corrected......Stern's comments just seems kinda out of left field......hhhhhhhhmmmm :thinking:
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Sam is right,i too am surprised i thought Sancho was in control,who runs those charities?who hires and fires players?who selects the the players who starts and makes the subs on NE Stars?who runs the Youth programs?how many players in the club are paid professionals?why Sancho and Jefries were on the bench in certain games? etc etc this more sound like a JW run club if you ask me,Daryl not easy.
What i like with you is you have good excuses for everything,i am sure there are players who don't get paid,holding down a daily job and are expected to be on time for practices and games just like Stern,Sancho in one person should know how this feels because he is one of our WC heroes and future President.
Coops, not sure what you're getting at here, but you need to keep up to speed with ProLeague. Every North East player is a full time professional footballer. Football is not a charity. It costs a minimum TT$1 million to run a ProLeague club. Just providing ice costs over $20k per year!! You cannot make back your money with tv rights or gate receipts. Clubs work really hard to get 20 or 30 more people through the gate.
Like any business (or football club) the Directors, Chairman or President has the final say. Jeffrey was on the bench for certain games because the squad was short due to injury and International call ups. With a squad of 20, once you have 5 T&T senior national players, 2 U23 and 1 Guyana international it puts pressure on selection. Plus when you pay one player a salary that could pay four other senior players, you take a gamble.
There are reasons, not excuses. Players all over the world arrive late for training. They are disciplined. This is standard practice.
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Sam is right,i too am surprised i thought Sancho was in control,who runs those charities?who hires and fires players?who selects the the players who starts and makes the subs on NE Stars?who runs the Youth programs?how many players in the club are paid professionals?why Sancho and Jefries were on the bench in certain games? etc etc this more sound like a JW run club if you ask me,Daryl not easy.
What i like with you is you have good excuses for everything,i am sure there are players who don't get paid,holding down a daily job and are expected to be on time for practices and games just like Stern,Sancho in one person should know how this feels because he is one of our WC heroes and future President.
Coops, not sure what you're getting at here, but you need to keep up to speed with ProLeague. Every North East player is a full time professional footballer. Football is not a charity. It costs a minimum TT$1 million to run a ProLeague club. Just providing ice costs over $20k per year!! You cannot make back your money with tv rights or gate receipts. Clubs work really hard to get 20 or 30 more people through the gate.
Like any business (or football club) the Directors, Chairman or President has the final say. Jeffrey was on the bench for certain games because the squad was short due to injury and International call ups. With a squad of 20, once you have 5 T&T senior national players, 2 U23 and 1 Guyana international it puts pressure on selection. Plus when you pay one player a salary that could pay four other senior players, you take a gamble.
There are reasons, not excuses. Players all over the world arrive late for training. They are disciplined. This is standard practice.
You studying Coop's he was the only PRO T&T ever had.
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Stern has no reason to lie, what kind of money he could make with NE Stars? Maximum 1000GBP a month?
No way he was staying for longer that the 3 months unless TT was still involved in the WC.
The reason for playing for NES is obvious, match fitness and anybody who klnows Stern would tell you he is a disciplined professional and would have been shocked of the trainig indiscipline that exists in most clubs in the Pro League.
I admire Stern for speaking out about the indiscipline in local football and hope that these sort of comments do some good.
You're talking from a position of naivety. £1,000 per month? Guess again mate, you're well short. Stern was the best paid player in the ProLeague. Infact, probably, no other person involved in the league was paid more than him. He used North East for his own purposes, which is fair enough. North East thought they would get more from the deal and they lost the gamble. They can now sign four new players with money saved from Stern.
Instead of admiring Stern, why aren't you asking him why he doesn't stay so he can help raise standards? You think making this statement and threatening the livlihood of his fellow players is a good example and professional? These comments could have been made in private. They could at least have been made at the football consultation event. Wouldn't that have been more useful and professional?
Anyone can criticise, but it takes someone who cares about the game, not his public image, to offer solutions and stay and help solve the problems.
Stern has no reason to lie? Who said he was lying? But his opinions could be fueled by others. Ask yourself who wrote the press release and why. All is not always what it seems.
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Rel b@#%h arse move from Stern. These fellas could never ever be legendary. Why he couldn't face Sancho and the admin as big men? Rel lil boy move from he.
Sancho should say he want back he bail money...... :devil:
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Sorry but I think Stern in the wrong here when it comes to publicly criticizing the club.
Seems a big misunderstanding due to the wording of the press release. (same way with the PM Plot lol)
I guess Stern took the word 'release' to heart :-\
I hope NE Stars don't suffer due to the negative publicity.
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Sorry but I think Stern in the wrong here when it comes to publicly criticizing the club.
Seems a big misunderstanding due to the wording of the press release. (same way with the PM Plot lol)
I guess Stern took the word 'release' to heart :-\
I hope NE Stars don't suffer due to the negative publicity.
Agreed... matter of semantics, "released" vs. "left the club." In hindsight it probably should have said "agreed to part ways/have parted ways." But to go blast the club's preparation and organization like this, is just poor. Forget about the fact that the club was the only one willing to pay whatever, yadda yadda... just on principle men must learn to subordinate ego to common sense and tact. Even if you feel hard done by, responding with this kinda bitchiness only makes you look, well...
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http://www.youtube.com/v/KkfeTmeHBDg
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"I never had a contract with NE Stars... just a verbal agreement"... somebody tell this idiot that a verbal agreement is a contract, as Jack Warner and the TTFF fully appreciates now.
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"I never had a contract with NE Stars... just a verbal agreement"... somebody tell this idiot that a verbal agreement is a contract, as Jack Warner and the TTFF fully appreciates now.
Stern should know better than that after the court case with the Warriors and the TTFF which is still ongoing!! :-[
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http://www.youtube.com/v/KkfeTmeHBDg
Fuentes did not need John for the interview.
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Plenty of allyuh hearing but you are not listening. I can't believe the big issue with what Stern said. I thought by now the official policy regarding all things T&T football, is call it as it is. We fans do it. Mr. Pfister does it. Weren't we thankful when the players talked their talk against the TTFF? It's obvious that NE stars didn't handle it well but considering all things football in Trinidad, I don't see the big deal with Stern's comments.
Answer me this: Which club gonna hire a player without a written contract and pay that player a wage worth 4 players? You still think Stern just bitter? I don't know why allyuh jumbieing the man.
And so what if he's paid more. When you hire someone you hire a career, you hire a resume. So who cares if his resume is worth 10 guys from La Horquetta? This is what T&T football needs. Full disclosure when stupidness happens from credible sources.
Isn't this what we want? Or are we picking and choosing? This clip simply reiterates all things football in T&T . ;D I glad he talk.
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Plenty of allyuh hearing but you are not listening. I can't believe the big issue with what Stern said. I thought by now the official policy regarding all things T&T football, is call it as it is. We fans do it. Mr. Pfister does it. Weren't we thankful when the players talked their talk against the TTFF? It's obvious that NE stars didn't handle it well but considering all things football in Trinidad, I don't see the big deal with Stern's comments.
Answer me this: Which club gonna hire a player without a written contract and pay that player a wage worth 4 players? You still think Stern just bitter? I don't know why allyuh jumbieing the man.
And so what if he's paid more. When you hire someone you hire a career, you hire a resume. So who cares if his resume is worth 10 guys from La Horquetta? This is what T&T football needs. Full disclosure when stupidness happens from credible sources.
Isn't this what we want? Or are we picking and choosing? This clip simply reiterates all things football in T&T . ;D I glad he talk.
That clip is old talk, about HE choose NE Stars, and HE decided that where he will play, and HE decided to walk away, HE, HE, HE, HE. Stueps his ego so fragile. Why when he see how unprofessional they were he didn't walk away then? Now no National football and all of a sudden he have problems when they release him?
Big man is big man and Stern John fail.
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Plenty of allyuh hearing but you are not listening. I can't believe the big issue with what Stern said. I thought by now the official policy regarding all things T&T football, is call it as it is. We fans do it. Mr. Pfister does it. Weren't we thankful when the players talked their talk against the TTFF? It's obvious that NE stars didn't handle it well but considering all things football in Trinidad, I don't see the big deal with Stern's comments.
Answer me this: Which club gonna hire a player without a written contract and pay that player a wage worth 4 players? You still think Stern just bitter? I don't know why allyuh jumbieing the man.
And so what if he's paid more. When you hire someone you hire a career, you hire a resume. So who cares if his resume is worth 10 guys from La Horquetta? This is what T&T football needs. Full disclosure when stupidness happens from credible sources.
Isn't this what we want? Or are we picking and choosing? This clip simply reiterates all things football in T&T . ;D I glad he talk.
Really not sure what your point is here. I certainly know that you don't know the whole story...you certainly don't know North Easts version of events.
Answer me this: Which club gonna hire a player without a written contract and pay that player a wage worth 4 players? You still think Stern just bitter? I don't know why allyuh jumbieing the man. How you know it wasn't Stern who wanted the verbal contract?
Full disclosure when stupidness happens from credible sources. That requires someone to give the full story, not just his side of things. North East won't reveal certain information because it may not be good for the image of the game, the club, or even the player involved.
This clip simply reiterates all things football in T&T Yup. Why, I wonder does the TTFF media officer feel it worthy to give a platform for a player to damage the image of a ProLeague club? Isn't it the role of TTFF to support professional football. Didn't Mr Watson & Anil Roberts last week say that football organisations need to work together? Yet here we have Mr Fuentes allowing a player, who obviously is upset with his former club, to make disparaging comments.
If Stern John wants to criticise, thats his right, and the route to do this is through regular journalists. Fuentes is paid to promote football in T&T. I'm sure his job description does not include slamming ProLeague clubs. I have no problem with him penning opinion pieces, but as a TTFF employee, he should be made accountable for his actions, particularly if he is bringing the game into disrepute. He has, after all, editorial control and could have explained to Stern that he can't be associated with negative comments that could effect a club, and the ProLeagues, image. He should be sacked immediately. He knew what he was doing. He probably has a grudge with Sancho and this was too good a chance to miss.
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Plenty of allyuh hearing but you are not listening. I can't believe the big issue with what Stern said. I thought by now the official policy regarding all things T&T football, is call it as it is. We fans do it. Mr. Pfister does it. Weren't we thankful when the players talked their talk against the TTFF? It's obvious that NE stars didn't handle it well but considering all things football in Trinidad, I don't see the big deal with Stern's comments.
Answer me this: Which club gonna hire a player without a written contract and pay that player a wage worth 4 players? You still think Stern just bitter? I don't know why allyuh jumbieing the man.
And so what if he's paid more. When you hire someone you hire a career, you hire a resume. So who cares if his resume is worth 10 guys from La Horquetta? This is what T&T football needs. Full disclosure when stupidness happens from credible sources.
Isn't this what we want? Or are we picking and choosing? This clip simply reiterates all things football in T&T . ;D I glad he talk.
As FS said... I'm really not sure what your point is exactly. What are we supposed to be "listening" to?
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Ok FS check this. The interview was based on what NE's side of the story was. So as far as I'm concerned we heard both sides now.
To me it doesn't matter what Stern wanted. No written terms for big salary? Come nah man.
Stern is a national player this is football news FS.
:beermug:
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And Bakes you seeing what you want to see. In one post you talking bout ego and using common sense and tact and in the next post Blam!!!! you calling a national treasure an idiot? Just so just so. Smh. In one post you quick to raise the issue of semantics and in the next post you playing up verbal and written contract like if there is no difference whatsoever.
Stop skipping ur meds. ;D
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As far as I read John only said 2 things of significance
1. That he was not released but chose to leave.
2. That the club has a discipline problem.
Why make this into such a big issue?
The Pro league is a big waste of time and would have been a dead league without goverment subventions.
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After listening to Stern interview, some of the things he said needs to be said, I am sure the players at the club is happy Stern blew up North East Stars.
How can one sign a contract to be paid for example $10,000 a month and then all of a sudden Sancho call him in the office and say he only get 5,000 this month !! what kind of shit is that ?
North East need to be exposed, Sancho took a page from Jack Warner's book.
The same way Sancho and company isn't happy how they didn't get paid by the TTFF and put them in court, now they are doing the same to players in T&T.
Thanks for the interview Shaun, it opened my eyes.
Sancho and company needs to be more professional at their jobs.
All these antics will affect the players mentally, no wonder they are not winning any games and I doubt they will with any silverware this season, to much cooks in they kitchen.
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After listening to Stern interview, some of the things he said needs to be said, I am sure the players at the club is happy Stern blew up North East Stars.
How can one sign a contract to be paid for example $10,000 a month and then all of a sudden Sancho call him in the office and say he only get 5,000 this month !! what kind of shit is that ?
North East need to be exposed, Sancho took a page from Jack Warner's book.
The same way Sancho and company isn't happy how they didn't get paid by the TTFF and put them in court, now they are doing the same to players in T&T.
Thanks for the interview Shaun, it opened my eyes.
Sancho and company needs to be more professional at their jobs.
All these antics will affect the players mentally, no wonder they are not winning any games and I doubt they will with any silverware this season, to much cooks in they kitchen.
At last...a North East insider!! So Errol, which player had his salary cut from $10,000 to $5,000 by Sancho? See, you're stating a fact. If this is not true, then you are making a libellous statement. IF this actually happened, you have no idea of the circumstances. For instance, what if the player was, say, 32 years old and received an injury that effected his game. With, say 3 months left on his contract, the management say, boy, we can't resign you on $10k. But what we will do, is offer you a year at $5k if you resign now. Does that not make sense? This is an example coz I have never heard of a player getting a wage cut from $10k to $5k.
I imagine there are players at North East who are probably vexed with Sterns interview. Gaining and maintaining sponsorship is very difficult and this can only make things harder. I don't know you, so if you have the balls to PM me with your identity, I would be happy to consider your comments in a different light. However, I suspect you know nothing about the ProLeague, because otherwise you would explain why so many Pro League players and promising youngsters are flocking to the club to get contracts. This kind of lie is very damaging and unfounded: The same way Sancho and company isn't happy how they didn't get paid by the TTFF and put them in court, now they are doing the same to players in T&T, and smells of a personal vendetta.
"All these antics will affect the players mentally" This is the only worthy comment in your post. And its the reason Stern is no longer at the club, methinks.
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As far as I read John only said 2 things of significance
1. That he was not released but chose to leave.
2. That the club has a discipline problem.
Why make this into such a big issue?
The Pro league is a big waste of time and would have been a dead league without goverment subventions.
There are no government subventions at this time. And you're correct...why did Stern make such a big issue of it? Perhaps the discipline problem has now gone away?
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Ok FS check this. The interview was based on what NE's side of the story was. So as far as I'm concerned we heard both sides now.
To me it doesn't matter what Stern wanted. No written terms for big salary? Come nah man.
Stern is a national player this is football news FS.
:beermug:
The interview was Sterns side of the story. Stern has made accusations, but North East have not chosen to respond. Thats their fault that you have only heard one side, but perhaps NES are maintaining a dignified silence and for the sake of their P.R. want this to die down rather than fight in public.
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After listening to Stern interview, some of the things he said needs to be said, I am sure the players at the club is happy Stern blew up North East Stars.
How can one sign a contract to be paid for example $10,000 a month and then all of a sudden Sancho call him in the office and say he only get 5,000 this month !! what kind of shit is that ?
North East need to be exposed, Sancho took a page from Jack Warner's book.
The same way Sancho and company isn't happy how they didn't get paid by the TTFF and put them in court, now they are doing the same to players in T&T.
Thanks for the interview Shaun, it opened my eyes.
Sancho and company needs to be more professional at their jobs.
All these antics will affect the players mentally, no wonder they are not winning any games and I doubt they will with any silverware this season, to much cooks in they kitchen.
:thumbsup: :timeout: :beermug: Thanks eh Stern,for opening this can of worms.
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Ok FS check this. The interview was based on what NE's side of the story was. So as far as I'm concerned we heard both sides now.
To me it doesn't matter what Stern wanted. No written terms for big salary? Come nah man.
Stern is a national player this is football news FS.
:beermug:
The interview was Sterns side of the story. Stern has made accusations, but North East have not chosen to respond. Thats their fault that you have only heard one side, but perhaps NES are maintaining a dignified silence and for the sake of their P.R. want this to die down rather than fight in public.
This is the same aproach that JW/Camps/TTFF takes when dealing with issues,speak out NE speak out,all we keep hearing is about the good you all do and it's not relating to Football.
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I not in agreement with Stern deciding to air all NE Stars dirty laundry in public, I mean he couldve stuck to the issue of the press release and left it at that... Flinging the kitchen sink wasn't really necessary. But people need to understand Stern has a right to feel aggrieved.
If he is going on trial to a foreign club, a public press release that states that he has been "released" rather than "mutually agreed to leave the club" could seriously impact upon his bargaining position and impact on him conducting future affairs. Any prospective employer now doing a simple internet search would see him as some desperate, washed up player without options, to the point where even some no-name small team from the TT Pro League cutting him off. Now before anything, he has to explain why he can't even cut it at NE Stars. Thats the last thing he wants trying to secure the last contract of his career.
If the press release was worded to the effect of "Mutually agreed to leave, we're sorry we couldn't keep a great player like Stern, blah blah blah", then he goes to the negotiating table with a much different posture. It might sound like just semantics but is a big issue.
Also, I agree with some sentiments, I find it real fishy that the TTFF Media Officer would provide the platform for Stern to lay into his former club. Very suspect.
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If he is going on trial to a foreign club, a public press release that states that he has been "released" rather than "mutually agreed to leave the club" could seriously impact upon his bargaining position and impact on him conducting future affairs. Any prospective employer now doing a simple internet search would see him as some desperate, washed up player without options, to the point where even some no-name small team from the TT Pro League cutting him off. Now before anything, he has to explain why he can't even cut it at NE Stars. Thats the last thing he wants trying to secure the last contract of his career.
Me eh know how people cyah see dat. Talking bout is semantics. 'Dumped' and 'mutually separated' are two totally distinct scenarios.
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I not in agreement with Stern deciding to air all NE Stars dirty laundry in public, I mean he couldve stuck to the issue of the press release and left it at that... Flinging the kitchen sink wasn't really necessary. But people need to understand Stern has a right to feel aggrieved.
If he is going on trial to a foreign club, a public press release that states that he has been "released" rather than "mutually agreed to leave the club" could seriously impact upon his bargaining position and impact on him conducting future affairs. Any prospective employer now doing a simple internet search would see him as some desperate, washed up player without options, to the point where even some no-name small team from the TT Pro League cutting him off. Now before anything, he has to explain why he can't even cut it at NE Stars. Thats the last thing he wants trying to secure the last contract of his career.
If the press release was worded to the effect of "Mutually agreed to leave, we're sorry we couldn't keep a great player like Stern, blah blah blah", then he goes to the negotiating table with a much different posture. It might sound like just semantics but is a big issue.
Also, I agree with some sentiments, I find it real fishy that the TTFF Media Officer would provide the platform for Stern to lay into his former club. Very suspect.
I agree completely with your sentiments. However, an off the cuff comment by the owner to an enquiry by a journalist was immediately corrected by their press release. Any club serious about signing Stern would call Sancho for a reference. However, by making disparaging comments in the press, doesn't help his cause.
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If he is going on trial to a foreign club, a public press release that states that he has been "released" rather than "mutually agreed to leave the club" could seriously impact upon his bargaining position and impact on him conducting future affairs. Any prospective employer now doing a simple internet search would see him as some desperate, washed up player without options, to the point where even some no-name small team from the TT Pro League cutting him off. Now before anything, he has to explain why he can't even cut it at NE Stars. Thats the last thing he wants trying to secure the last contract of his career.
Me eh know how people cyah see dat. Talking bout is semantics. 'Dumped' and 'mutually separated' are two totally distinct scenarios.
De official press release never said that he was "released". Read it again (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=55727.msg783866#msg783866).
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No one here knows all the facts. One of my freinds, Bradley Welch was training with North East cus he was going to Pioland on trial. He was telling me that they are the most profesional club in the league. He sais Stern John was causing lots of problems cus he was disapearing ant not telling no one. Like after he was arrested they were calling him but never heard from him until tuesday. Then he punched a player in the face in the dressing room after a game and went to England without telling them cus the other players crew was after him. And he didn't report for training after the Guyana game when others did and then the last time they saw him was at a practise match when the coach substituted him at half time cus he was affecting the team and he just left without permission and the owner got vex and said he was finished.
He said that most of the players are pleased hes gone and moral is much better and there some good players coming in. I think there are some small problems cus the owner wants to be involve, but he won the league a few years ago so maybe he thinks he can help.
But Stern was wrong to say all this even if he was vex cus North east not saying shit about how he was.
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Yeah ahmm... so welcome to the forum ProPlaya...
New around these parts? :thinking:
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mama
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No one here knows all the facts. One of my freinds, Bradley Welch was training with North East cus he was going to Pioland on trial. He was telling me that they are the most profesional club in the league. He sais Stern John was causing lots of problems cus he was disapearing ant not telling no one. Like after he was arrested they were calling him but never heard from him until tuesday. Then he punched a player in the face in the dressing room after a game and went to England without telling them cus the other players crew was after him. And he didn't report for training after the Guyana game when others did and then the last time they saw him was at a practise match when the coach substituted him at half time cus he was affecting the team and he just left without permission and the owner got vex and said he was finished.
He said that most of the players are pleased hes gone and moral is much better and there some good players coming in. I think there are some small problems cus the owner wants to be involve, but he won the league a few years ago so maybe he thinks he can help.
But Stern was wrong to say all this even if he was vex cus North east not saying shit about how he was.
If Stern punch ah player in the face, if is not Bradley Welch..then Bradley Welch might be next; cause yuh just throw him under the bus :D
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Why did Stern stay so long if he was so unhappy?
Why he eh do T&T a favor and get involved in another club and show how things supposed to be?
:clown:
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took long enough for the slap that stern hit his teammate to come out........stern is a big baby. kudos to NES for playing the more mature role
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Why did Stern stay so long if he was so unhappy?
Why he eh do T&T a favor and get involved in another club and show how things supposed to be?
:clown:
It's not about hapiness,it's business(money),if you check at one time everybody was going to Jabloteh/JP,then they was going to Ma Pau,watch the trend they heading to NE/TTEC,it's all about the money,if you notice all over the world it's the clubs that have the money in control because they can afford to buy/keep the best players.Players realize their careers are short and takes advantage of the opportunities presented to them,Stern just used NE but at the same NE was hoping it would have been a plus for them but it backfired, that's why peeps think i'm against the WC heroes that sued the TTFF when all i was stateing is that it could have been handled differently,when money is involved is a hell of a thing nobody does have a conscience
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Why did Stern stay so long if he was so unhappy?
Why he eh do T&T a favor and get involved in another club and show how things supposed to be?
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It's not about hapiness,it's business(money),if you check at one time everybody was going to Jabloteh/JP,then they was going to Ma Pau,watch the trend they heading to NE/TTEC,it's all about the money,if you notice all over the world it's the clubs that have the money in control because they can afford to buy/keep the best players.Players realize their careers are short and takes advantage of the opportunities presented to them,Stern just used NE but at the same NE was hoping it would have been a plus for them but it backfired, that's why peeps think i'm against the WC heroes that sued the TTFF when all i was stateing is that it could have been handled differently,when money is involved is a hell of a thing nobody does have a conscience
Yuh sure about that, NOBODY?! :o
Like you feel everybody is the same as Jack or what?!! :-\
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Why did Stern stay so long if he was so unhappy?
Why he eh do T&T a favor and get involved in another club and show how things supposed to be?
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It's not about hapiness,it's business(money),if you check at one time everybody was going to Jabloteh/JP,then they was going to Ma Pau,watch the trend they heading to NE/TTEC,it's all about the money,if you notice all over the world it's the clubs that have the money in control because they can afford to buy/keep the best players.Players realize their careers are short and takes advantage of the opportunities presented to them,Stern just used NE but at the same NE was hoping it would have been a plus for them but it backfired, that's why peeps think i'm against the WC heroes that sued the TTFF when all i was stateing is that it could have been handled differently,when money is involved is a hell of a thing nobody does have a conscience
Yuh sure about that, NOBODY?! :o
Like you feel everybody is the same as Jack or what?!! :-\
Yes,that's why we have a court case going on.
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And Bakes you seeing what you want to see. In one post you talking bout ego and using common sense and tact and in the next post Blam!!!! you calling a national treasure an idiot? Just so just so. Smh. In one post you quick to raise the issue of semantics and in the next post you playing up verbal and written contract like if there is no difference whatsoever.
Stop skipping ur meds. ;D
I dunno what post yuh referring to, but me "talking bout ego and using common sense" doesn't mean I can't call out Stern fuh talking shit... no different than when I called out Jack 4 years ago for trying to argue that he never "sign" nothing promising the players a cut. As for a verbal vs. a written contract... certain contracts (such as involving marriage, sale of real estate or goods worth above a certain value etc.) must be in writing. Other than that, there is no difference whether a contract is written or verbal... "semantics" my ass. You want to throw "meds" talk when yuh don't know what de f**k yuh talking about saddis?
(insert smiley face)
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If he is going on trial to a foreign club, a public press release that states that he has been "released" rather than "mutually agreed to leave the club" could seriously impact upon his bargaining position and impact on him conducting future affairs. Any prospective employer now doing a simple internet search would see him as some desperate, washed up player without options, to the point where even some no-name small team from the TT Pro League cutting him off. Now before anything, he has to explain why he can't even cut it at NE Stars. Thats the last thing he wants trying to secure the last contract of his career.
Me eh know how people cyah see dat. Talking bout is semantics. 'Dumped' and 'mutually separated' are two totally distinct scenarios.
Well as one of the persons (if not the only one) to use the "semantics" language I will respond. Yes, there is a technical difference between "released" vs. "mutually parted ways". In this context however, I argue there is no substantive difference. The club went out of its way (read the statements by Mahabir, Sancho, Harrison and Jeffery again) to praise Stern and explain the situation resulting in the parting of ways. They explained it was always a temporary agreement. They praised his professionalism and the fact that he still had a lot to offer.
It is beyond naive to suggest that any prospective club would lose interest in Stern because (ostensibly) his former club ragged on him in the press. This is as credible as saying that he would gain a negotiating advantage if his former club did the opposite... showering him with praise. This simply isn't how business is conducted (I wouldn't think), a prospective club would do its own due diligence before even sitting down at the negotiating table, and any agent worth his salt would be able to pull stats etc. to counter the notion (not present here) that Stern is washed up. Stern reacted emotionally, perhaps without even the benefit of seeing the item himself. His feeling aggrieved (justified or not) is understandable... his reaction is not. Let's not confuse the two.
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that's why peeps think i'm against the WC heroes that sued the TTFF when all i was stateing is that it could have been handled differently,when money is involved is a hell of a thing nobody does have a conscience
how could they have handled it differently?
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that's why peeps think i'm against the WC heroes that sued the TTFF when all i was stateing is that it could have been handled differently,when money is involved is a hell of a thing nobody does have a conscience
how could they have handled it differently?
Bow to Jack like every player before them.
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that's why peeps think i'm against the WC heroes that sued the TTFF when all i was stateing is that it could have been handled differently,when money is involved is a hell of a thing nobody does have a conscience
how could they have handled it differently?
Bow to Jack like every player before them.
i'm positive that coops can offer some concrete, specific examples of how those greedy players could have handled it differently.
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that's why peeps think i'm against the WC heroes that sued the TTFF when all i was stateing is that it could have been handled differently,when money is involved is a hell of a thing nobody does have a conscience
how could they have handled it differently?
Bow to Jack like every player before them.
i'm positive that coops can offer some concrete, specific examples of how those greedy players could have handled it differently.
Zando i've explained myself many times on this issue,it's proven the man is corupt,a thief,destroyed T&T Football etc etc what's there to say about him again,i don't mind if it's something new to be discussed but this old tune alyu always trying to bring up forget me,talk to me when those guys get their money.
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that's why peeps think i'm against the WC heroes that sued the TTFF when all i was stateing is that it could have been handled differently,when money is involved is a hell of a thing nobody does have a conscience
how could they have handled it differently?
Bow to Jack like every player before them.
i'm positive that coops can offer some concrete, specific examples of how those greedy players could have handled it differently.
Zando i've explained myself many times on this issue,it's proven the man is corupt,a thief,destroyed T&T Football etc etc what's there to say about him again,i don't mind if it's something new to be discussed but this old tune alyu always trying to bring up forget me,talk to me when those guys get their money.
Coop's you say yuh thing and ah man ask yuh tuh explain and yuh just turning yuh back. I would also like to here what they could have done differently/better. I have been racking my brain trying to figure out how better they could have gone about securing the contract from the TTFF.
No one arguing or attacking yuh eh, just I never see where yo explain it. Can you remember the thread or provide a link to the thread if you do not want to type?
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that's why peeps think i'm against the WC heroes that sued the TTFF when all i was stateing is that it could have been handled differently,when money is involved is a hell of a thing nobody does have a conscience
how could they have handled it differently?
Bow to Jack like every player before them.
i'm positive that coops can offer some concrete, specific examples of how those greedy players could have handled it differently.
Zando i've explained myself many times on this issue,it's proven the man is corupt,a thief,destroyed T&T Football etc etc what's there to say about him again,i don't mind if it's something new to be discussed but this old tune alyu always trying to bring up forget me,talk to me when those guys get their money.
Coop's you say yuh thing and ah man ask yuh tuh explain and yuh just turning yuh back. I would also like to here what they could have done differently/better. I have been racking my brain trying to figure out how better they could have gone about securing the contract from the TTFF.
No one arguing or attacking yuh eh, just I never see where yo explain it. Can you remember the thread or provide a link to the thread if you do not want to type?
Elan i've said many times they didn't have to go to court and embarass JW/TTFF with this,just the same way you all are saying Stern should have dealt with NE,i don't mind if it was Football but money!
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Elan i've said many times they didn't have to go to court and embarass JW/TTFF with this,just the same way you all are saying Stern should have dealt with NE,i don't mind if it was Football but money!
ok, but
(1) NOT going to court is not a concrete, specific example of how to handle a situation.
(2) If they did not go to court how else would (para-quoting you) a 'corrupt thief' be convinced to keep his word? Throw them a $5000?
(3) JW/TTFF was recieving corporate and government sponsorship money with apparently no effort or desire to account for it. The three top executives of the TTFF were each hauled before FIFA to face corruption charges. I think that they absolutely had to be embarrassed.
(4) Are you really comparing a miscommunication and spat between a player and club to the dissapearence of hundreds of million of dollars?
But as you said, you have already explained yourself so no need to rehash
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And Bakes you seeing what you want to see. In one post you talking bout ego and using common sense and tact and in the next post Blam!!!! you calling a national treasure an idiot? Just so just so. Smh. In one post you quick to raise the issue of semantics and in the next post you playing up verbal and written contract like if there is no difference whatsoever.
Stop skipping ur meds. ;D
I dunno what post yuh referring to, but me "talking bout ego and using common sense" doesn't mean I can't call out Stern fuh talking shit... no different than when I called out Jack 4 years ago for trying to argue that he never "sign" nothing promising the players a cut. As for a verbal vs. a written contract... certain contracts (such as involving marriage, sale of real estate or goods worth above a certain value etc.) must be in writing. Other than that, there is no difference whether a contract is written or verbal... "semantics" my ass. You want to throw "meds" talk when yuh don't know what de f**k yuh talking about saddis?
(insert smiley face)
Dang!!!! I ain't know you and I reach dey. Don't take things so personal man everybody does get pong. Cheer up :beermug:
As you know a key part of any contract is the termination of said agreement. The Termination section allows for the appropriation of due process when and if the contract needs to end. To not have a written contract means that there is now due process in place. Guess what happens when no due process is in place? This!!! The very mess we watching. There should never be a situation were this should happen at a club, ever. So talk about Stern not knowing the difference etc. but this is unprofessional business by the club. You cyah pull a contract and edit it up? Doh mix fren thing and business. Should Stern have handled it better? Sure. Should Pfister have handled the press conference better? Sure. But the truth, is the truth and sadly this is what T&T football needs. But it seems like some men want to shout unprofessional loud loud so they cyah hear the truth. Give Pfister the script then, let him say it, we'll listen.
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Elan i've said many times they didn't have to go to court and embarass JW/TTFF with this,just the same way you all are saying Stern should have dealt with NE,i don't mind if it was Football but money!
They didn't take JW/TTFF to court... they went before the Council of Arbitration on Sports (CAS), as mandated by FIFA. CAS ruled in favor of the players in 2008 and "JW/TTFF" is who then decide to take the players to the High Court here in TnT, claiming breach of contract over the "leak." Of course Jack lap dog, Francis Joseph was the one responsible for the leak (reading between the lines), but that didn't stop them from going before the court and lying.
So again... WHAT was the players supposed to do... take the $5,000 TT Jack offer and siddung quiet Coop's?
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Dang!!!! I ain't know you and I reach dey. Don't take things so personal man everybody does get pong. Cheer up :beermug:
As you know a key part of any contract is the termination of said agreement. The Termination section allows for the appropriation of due process when and if the contract needs to end. To not have a written contract means that there is now due process in place. Guess what happens when no due process is in place? This!!! The very mess we watching. There should never be a situation were this should happen at a club, ever. So talk about Stern not knowing the difference etc. but this is unprofessional business by the club. You cyah pull a contract and edit it up? Doh mix fren thing and business. Should Stern have handled it better? Sure. Should Pfister have handled the press conference better? Sure. But the truth, is the truth and sadly this is what T&T football needs. But it seems like some men want to shout unprofessional loud loud so they cyah hear the truth. Give Pfister the script then, let him say it, we'll listen.
Preacher, no offense... but I really not about to get into a legal argument with yuh. All I will say is that what you saying there about "due process" not only doesn't make sense, but it also doesn't apply. "Due Process" is a uniquely American legal concept that only applies to government actions.
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Why did Stern stay so long if he was so unhappy?
Why he eh do T&T a favor and get involved in another club and show how things supposed to be?
:clown:
It's not about hapiness,it's business(money),if you check at one time everybody was going to Jabloteh/JP,then they was going to Ma Pau,watch the trend they heading to NE/TTEC,it's all about the money,if you notice all over the world it's the clubs that have the money in control because they can afford to buy/keep the best players.Players realize their careers are short and takes advantage of the opportunities presented to them,Stern just used NE but at the same NE was hoping it would have been a plus for them but it backfired, that's why peeps think i'm against the WC heroes that sued the TTFF when all i was stateing is that it could have been handled differently,when money is involved is a hell of a thing nobody does have a conscience
Yuh sure about that, NOBODY?! :o
Like you feel everybody is the same as Jack or what?!! :-\
Yes,that's why we have a court case going on.
Coop's you have to be kidding right!
How does the players fight against continual exploitation equate to them having no conscience?! ???
In fact its because they have a conscience that they fight!!
I salute them for it!! :salute:
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Welcome ProPlaya!!
Yuh enter wid ah bang horse!!!
Dis TnT football is rel bacahnal yes!!
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Dang!!!! I ain't know you and I reach dey. Don't take things so personal man everybody does get pong. Cheer up :beermug:
As you know a key part of any contract is the termination of said agreement. The Termination section allows for the appropriation of due process when and if the contract needs to end. To not have a written contract means that there is now due process in place. Guess what happens when no due process is in place? This!!! The very mess we watching. There should never be a situation were this should happen at a club, ever. So talk about Stern not knowing the difference etc. but this is unprofessional business by the club. You cyah pull a contract and edit it up? Doh mix fren thing and business. Should Stern have handled it better? Sure. Should Pfister have handled the press conference better? Sure. But the truth, is the truth and sadly this is what T&T football needs. But it seems like some men want to shout unprofessional loud loud so they cyah hear the truth. Give Pfister the script then, let him say it, we'll listen.
Preacher, no offense... but I really not about to get into a legal argument with yuh. All I will say is that what you saying there about "due process" not only doesn't make sense, but it also doesn't apply. "Due Process" is a uniquely American legal concept that only applies to government actions.
Really? I never knew that America invented 'Due Process.' I know they have what is called Due Process of Law. It's highly unlikely that Due Process of Law came before before people all over the planet were talking about the idea of 'Due Process,' which simply means to do the right procedure.
I really never knew that the term "only applies to US government actions." If that's the case I stand corrected, NE can do whatever, whenever. This is all Stern's fault, stupid idiot that he is. There's no need for NE to do their due diligence or exercise due process. No need to dot the 'i' or cross the 't'.
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Disappointed, not surprised...not the 1st or 2nd time SJ dust ppl off, and "put dem in dey place". ::)
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Stern John better watch his ass, I heard he slap some youth man in T&T and they out to get him.
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Stern John feel he could go T&T and just slap man just so, them youths now a days not ramping, they loaded.
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Stern John feel he could go T&T and just slap man just so, them youths now a days not ramping, they loaded.
look a man post the altercation on youtube
http://youtu.be/Wp3x6l5dZp8 (http://youtu.be/Wp3x6l5dZp8)
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He say she say ...... look like they decided not to renew his deal and he decide to air their dirty laundry to me to get back at them .. I imagine if they had decided to renew it .. no laundry would have been aired .. pride is a hell of ah ting!!!