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Federal Judge Emails Racist Joke About Obama, Then Apologizes
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/03/01/147720865/federal-judge-emails-racist-joke-about-obama-then-apologizes
by Korva Coleman
U.S. District Judge Richard Cebull apparently did not know until recently that if you leave your name on questionable emails and then forward them to friends, they frequently get passed on to a wider audience and may come back to haunt you.
The chief judge for the District of Montana recently emailed a joke denigrating President Obama to several friends. They passed it to others, until it ended up in the hands of a reporter for the Great Falls Tribune, which published the email text.
The joke features an African-American boy named Barack who asks his mother why he is black and she is white, and her response indicates he's the product of a sexual encounter with a dog.
Judge Cebull forwarded the joke from his court email with the subject line, "A Mom's Memory", and included an intro saying he hoped the joke "touches your heart like it did mine".
Now Judge Cebull is apologizing to anyone who was offended, saying the email was "inappropriate" and "stupid"; but insisted to the Billings Gazette he was not personally a bigot. "There is no doubt (the email) is racist. It wasn't forwarded for that purpose. If anything, it was political".
Cebull says he's written other federal judges in Montana apologizing for his conduct and vows he won't ever again send an email from his office that's not business-related. He says while he isn't a supporter of President Obama, he has never shown prejudice to anyone in court.
Travis McAdam, head of the Montana Human Rights Network, says the email is "unbecoming" of a judge and more than political, noting the joke compares African Americans with animals, reports AFP.
Cebull was nominated to the federal court bench by President George W. Bush in 2001. He's been chief judge of the District of Montana since 2008, according to the Federal Judicial Center.
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Election season in full swing
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That was not even a joke, nutten funny there, insulting and racist.
if he did say Obama black and he modder white and when Obama did ask she why, she did tell him when she was pregnant she did drink ah lot ah chocolate milk..now dat funny.
What the judge said is grounds for he dismissal in my view.
I cyar trust such a man in charge ah dispensing justice to minorities at all.
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That was not even a joke, nutten funny there, insulting and racist.
if he did say Obama black and he modder white and when Obama did ask she why, she did tell him when she was pregnant she did drink ah lot ah chocolate milk..now dat funny.
What the judge said is grounds for he dismissal in my view.
I cyar trust such a man in charge ah dispensing justice to minorities at all.
And therein lies the problem. this pecker wood can not be trusted with ppl's lives to say the least! and like you said, he's definitely unfit for such undertakings.
PS: no matter how hard them "white boy" here in the north try tuh put on a show as to how liberal they have become, some how the racist inclinations always find ah way tuh sneak out of them and manifest itself, it's like they can't help themselves.
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That isn't a racist joke. It's a 'your mother slept with a dog' joke. I've heard the joke a million times applied to redheads or 'why is everyone else tall?' Sometimes the dog is a donkey.
His race had nothing to do with the punchline. Still crass but not racist.
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That isn't a racist joke. It's a 'your mother slept with a dog' joke. I've heard the joke a million times applied to redheads or 'why is everyone else tall?' Sometimes the dog is a donkey.
His race had nothing to do with the punchline. Still crass but not racist.
yuh talking assholery! It says your obama asked why he was BLACK and his mother whiter..and the reply says cuz she f**ked a dog!..meaning black men are dogs!
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Election season in full swing
for real.
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That isn't a racist joke. It's a 'your mother slept with a dog' joke. I've heard the joke a million times applied to redheads or 'why is everyone else tall?' Sometimes the dog is a donkey.
His race had nothing to do with the punchline. Still crass but not racist.
yuh talking assholery! It says your obama asked why he was BLACK and his mother whiter..and the reply says cuz she f**ked a dog!..meaning black men are dogs!
No, sorry. That's not the joke.
The joke is that she was drunk at a wild party and f**ked everybody and everything in the house. Including the dog. It's an old joke. 'Mommy, why am i the only one with red hair?' They just add in Obama to diss Obama.
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That isn't a racist joke. It's a 'your mother slept with a dog' joke. I've heard the joke a million times applied to redheads or 'why is everyone else tall?' Sometimes the dog is a donkey.
His race had nothing to do with the punchline. Still crass but not racist.
yuh talking assholery! It says your obama asked why he was BLACK and his mother whiter..and the reply says cuz she f**ked a dog!..meaning black men are dogs!
No, sorry. That's not the joke.
The joke is that she was drunk at a wild party and f**ked everybody and everything in the house. Including the dog. It's an old joke. 'Mommy, why am i the only one with red hair?' They just add in Obama to diss Obama.
That is NOT a f**king joke...she f**k ah dog and he come out black? steups dat is asholery
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That isn't a racist joke. It's a 'your mother slept with a dog' joke. I've heard the joke a million times applied to redheads or 'why is everyone else tall?' Sometimes the dog is a donkey.
His race had nothing to do with the punchline. Still crass but not racist.
yuh talking assholery! It says your obama asked why he was BLACK and his mother whiter..and the reply says cuz she f**ked a dog!..meaning black men are dogs!
No, sorry. That's not the joke.
The joke is that she was drunk at a wild party and f**ked everybody and everything in the house. Including the dog. It's an old joke. 'Mommy, why am i the only one with red hair?' They just add in Obama to diss Obama.
That is NOT a f**king joke...she f**k ah dog and he come out black? steups dat is asholery
Again... you don't get the joke.
She f**ked a dog, a black man, a white man, the kitchen sink, everybody at the party. She doesn't know who his father is, but he's lucky it's not the dog. That's the joke.
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fella, where the f**k you see the man email mention that she fck everybody, including a dog?
Like yuh is ah f**king clown or what?
The man's email specifically mentioned that she f**ked a dog and he was the result of THAT sexual encounter.
what de f**k allyuh does come with?
that is ah modder c**t racist statement, it eh even funny...what yuh find is a joke about that?
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The judge acknowledged that the content of the e-mail was racist, but said he does not consider himself racist. He said the e-mail was intended to be a private communication.
"It was not intended by me in any way to become public," Cebull said. "I apologize to anybody who is offended by it and I can obviously understand why people would be offended."
Cebull said his brother initially sent him the e-mail, which he forwarded to six of his "old buddies" and acquaintances.
"The only reason I can explain it to you is I am not a fan of our president, but this goes beyond not being a fan," Cebull said. "I didn't send it as racist, although that's what it is. I sent it out because it's anti-Obama."
Travis McAdam, executive director for the Montana Human Rights Network, said the e-mail is highly racist rhetoric unbecoming of a federal judge.
"It's one thing if the judge is not a fan of President Barack Obama, but you would think someone in his position would articulate that in a way that criticizes his policy decisions or his position on issues," McAdam said. "We have a hard time believing that a legitimate criticism of the president involves distributing a joke that basically compares African Americans with animals."
Cebull said he does not consider himself prejudiced against people of other races or ethnic backgrounds, and that his actions in his courtroom have demonstrated that.
"This is a private thing that was, to say the least, very poor judgment on my part," Cebull said. "I did not forward it because of the racist nature of it. Although it is racist, I'm not that way, never have been."
The White House declined to comment Wednesday on the incident.
Contributing: Adams also reports for the Great Falls (Mont.) Tribune
So doh talk shit, the judge heself say it was racist!
Thanks
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jump high or Jump low non of dem f**ks cya compete with obama . Di man is very inteligent and Definitely have my vote. Obama is di fackin Boss war sey suh!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and dinnermint dais no joke thing .. dais a racist comment di man mek dey level..
war
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You don't understand the joke. It's fine. Apparently several people didn't either.
I write jokes for a living, so maybe I'm more familiar with the medium than most. Trust my expertise or don't... the joke is that he's lucky the dog ISN'T his father. That's why there's mention of a party and not a kennel (meaning there was a lot of people and wildness). That's why there's mention of her barely remembering (showing she was very drunk or high). She can't remember what she was up to but she vaguely remembers f**king a dog.
She doh know who or what she do, or who his father could be, but (again) he should just be thankful his father ISN'T the dog.
I don't know why you think I take it upon my self to defend some asshole judge I doh even know.
And the fact that he, a public official, apologized to the public is no surprise. That's his constituency. He cyah play boldface for them. He have to humble.
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That isn't a racist joke. It's a 'your mother slept with a dog' joke. I've heard the joke a million times applied to redheads or 'why is everyone else tall?' Sometimes the dog is a donkey.
His race had nothing to do with the punchline. Still crass but not racist.
I agree in part... but I also believe there is a racist undercurrent to it, kinda like "she was so facked up that night, that dog, African... anybody coulda get some play."
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fella, where the f**k you see the man email mention that she fck everybody, including a dog?
Like yuh is ah f**king clown or what?
The man's email specifically mentioned that she f**ked a dog and he was the result of THAT sexual encounter.
what de f**k allyuh does come with?
that is ah modder c**t racist statement, it eh even funny...what yuh find is a joke about that?
Nah, dai'z not what the "joke" says.
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You don't understand the joke. It's fine. Apparently several people didn't either.
I write jokes for a living, so maybe I'm more familiar with the medium than most. Trust my expertise or don't... the joke is that he's lucky the dog ISN'T his father. That's why there's mention of a party and not a kennel (meaning there was a lot of people and wildness). That's why there's mention of her barely remembering (showing she was very drunk or high). She can't remember what she was up to but she vaguely remembers f**king a dog.
She doh know who or what she do, or who his father could be, but (again) he should just be thankful his father ISN'T the dog.
I don't know why you think I take it upon my self to defend some asshole judge I doh even know.
And the fact that he, a public official, apologized to the public is no surprise. That's his constituency. He cyah play boldface for them. He have to humble.
well dinnermint no disrespect meant bro .if yu feal sey is a joke yu have di right to feal dat way.. I jus doh like dem kind a joke.. dais me..
war
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That isn't a racist joke. It's a 'your mother slept with a dog' joke. I've heard the joke a million times applied to redheads or 'why is everyone else tall?' Sometimes the dog is a donkey.
His race had nothing to do with the punchline. Still crass but not racist.
Dinner Mints
Even the JUDGE say the joke is a racist joke ::)
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Here is the full joke people ...
http://www.youtube.com/v/0Ls5SJIn334
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That's not the same joke on the initial post. now things are ah bit complicated, but nontheless it was ah disrespect to the prez, and yes it was racially motivated.
Here is the full joke people ...
http://www.youtube.com/v/0Ls5SJIn334
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After hearing it, I'm not sure if that joke in itself is racist - more of a mother joke, than a racist joke. (i.e. your mother is a slut kinda thing). The way it's written in the article gives it a different feel.
Racism is however largely dependent on the intent, and how it's received...so given the obvious black-white dynamic in the U.S. and the fact that even the judge himself concedes a racist undertone inherent in the joke and apologizes for it, then it's hard to ignore the racist element in the whole story...
Yuh could substitute black for anything else as Dinner Mints said (though that by itself doesn't render the joke not-racist).... but that joke could be even told by a black person, to a black audience as a mother joke and no one would bat an eyelid...
Can't dispute that it's inappropriate and disrespectful though...
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After hearing it, I'm not sure if that joke in itself is racist - more of a mother joke, than a racist joke. (i.e. your mother is a slut kinda thing). The way it's written in the article gives it a different feel.
Racism is however largely dependent on the intent, and how it's received...so given the obvious black-white dynamic in the U.S. and the fact that even the judge himself concedes a racist undertone inherent in the joke and apologizes for it, then it's hard to ignore the racist element in the whole story...
Yuh could substitute black for anything else as Dinner Mints said (though that by itself doesn't render the joke not-racist).... but that joke could be even told by a black person, to a black audience as a mother joke and no one would bat an eyelid...
Can't dispute that it's inappropriate and disrespectful though...
So why is the judge himself, the originator of the offensive email saying that it is indeed racist? He knows what he was trying to convey better than ANYONE can guess!
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Racism is however largely dependent on the intent, and how it's received...so given the obvious black-white dynamic in the U.S. and the fact that even the judge himself concedes a racist undertone inherent in the joke and apologizes for it, then it's hard to ignore the racist element in the whole story...
So why is the judge himself, the originator of the offensive email saying that it is indeed racist? He knows what he was trying to convey better than ANYONE can guess!
The fact that the judge "concedes" that the joke is racist is in itself meaningless.... no moreso than if he was defiant that it was NOT racist. Certainly under such a scenario no one would have latched onto that as evidence that the joke was not racist. In short, he is no authority either way, let alone a definitive authority. He has found himself boxed into such a corner by his lack of discretion, that protesting that the joke isn't racist simply isn't an option.
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The fact that the judge "concedes" that the joke is racist is in itself meaningless.... no moreso than if he was defiant that it was NOT racist. Certainly under such a scenario no one would have latched onto that as evidence that the joke was not racist. In short, he is no authority either way, let alone a definitive authority. He has found himself boxed into such a corner by his lack of discretion, that protesting that the joke isn't racist simply isn't an option.
Disagree with the bolded - I don't think that in situations like this, there is perfect symmetry between concession and denial. It's generally harder to come by a concession than a denial of racism in my opinion, so I think an open recognition does reveal something about the sentiment behind the joke...
Don't disagree with the the circumstances you described which made it even more difficult to deny, but if there was zero racist intent on his part, I think he'd couch his response even further than he did... who knows though?
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Disagree with the bolded - I don't think that in situations like this, there is perfect symmetry between concession and denial. It's generally harder to come by a concession than a denial of racism in my opinion, so I think an open recognition does reveal something about the sentiment behind the joke...
Don't disagree with the the circumstances you described which made it even more difficult to deny, but if there was zero racist intent on his part, I think he'd couch his response even further than he did... who knows though?
You're focusing on what his subjective intent was... the larger discussion has to do with the joke itself. He was not the author of the joke, but merely a conduit for its dissemination. Is the joke racist, or merely the latest incarnation of a perennially circulated pejorative designed to target certain discreet groups (redheads, midgets, laborers... whomever, I'm not as familiar with the history of the joke as Dinner Mints is)? The joke itself seems a slap at the promiscuity of the mother (common to all the various incarnations) than anything having to do with the progeny (Obama in this case) or the father. So the judge saying the joke was itself racist is hardly convincing, let alone dispositive.
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@ Dinner Mints, I have heard this "your momma style" joke told quite a few times. It's usually told about that girl that effed all they guys at a fraternity/spring break/freaknic/military.... style party.
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Disagree with the bolded - I don't think that in situations like this, there is perfect symmetry between concession and denial. It's generally harder to come by a concession than a denial of racism in my opinion, so I think an open recognition does reveal something about the sentiment behind the joke...
Don't disagree with the the circumstances you described which made it even more difficult to deny, but if there was zero racist intent on his part, I think he'd couch his response even further than he did... who knows though?
You're focusing on what his subjective intent was... the larger discussion has to do with the joke itself. He was not the author of the joke, but merely a conduit for its dissemination. Is the joke racist, or merely the latest incarnation of a perennially circulated pejorative designed to target certain discreet groups (redheads, midgets, laborers... whomever, I'm not as familiar with the history of the joke as Dinner Mints is)? The joke itself seems a slap at the promiscuity of the mother (common to all the various incarnations) than anything having to do with the progeny (Obama in this case) or the father. So the judge saying the joke was itself racist is hardly convincing, let alone dispositive.
Yeah I'm focusing on the intent because I think that (along with interpretation and receipt) are determining factors in assessing whether or not a joke is racist. As I said in my example, the same joke delivered by a black comedian to a black audience is arguably not racist at all...just a mother joke. I don't think we could assess whether or not the joke is racist without considering the deliverer or the target...TO me the meaning of the joke changes as it changes hands.
Also I think this particular joke changes meaning depending on the content. I agree (as posted earlier) that it's primarily a "mother joke".... But to say that it's not a racist joke because the general framework can be used to apply to redheads, short people, tall people depending on the particular modification is to create a huge loop hole for bigots to exploit...
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Common allyuh enough wid the progressive horse sh!t, the joke is ah fackin racist joke! jeeezzzeeee.
the fact that the cracker judge used the black and white issue with the mother being white and the boy being black, and insert the name "barack", shows it was meant to be a racist jab @ obama! so give it ah fackin rest with the apologist diatribe already.
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Common allyuh enough wid the progressive horse sh!t, the joke is ah fackin racist joke! jeeezzzeeee.
the fact that the cracker judge used the black and white issue with the mother being white and the boy being black, and insert the name "barack", shows it was meant to be a racist jab @ obama! so give it ah fackin rest with the apologist diatribe already.
Exactly! And any woman who is a stink slut does f**k dogs and blacks
steups.
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Common allyuh enough wid the progressive horse sh!t, the joke is ah fackin racist joke! jeeezzzeeee.
the fact that the cracker judge used the black and white issue with the mother being white and the boy being black, and insert the name "barack", shows it was meant to be a racist jab @ obama! so give it ah fackin rest with the apologist diatribe already.
Exactly! And any woman who is a stink slut does f**k dogs and blacks
steups.
Lol... allyuh men real emotional dred.
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JC - I eh see no one being apologist.
How about you just state your opinion, and let others state theirs, and stop trying to tell people how they're supposed to think.
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Common allyuh enough wid the progressive horse sh!t, the joke is ah fackin racist joke! jeeezzzeeee.
the fact that the cracker judge used the black and white issue with the mother being white and the boy being black, and insert the name "barack", shows it was meant to be a racist jab @ obama! so give it ah fackin rest with the apologist diatribe already.
you racist yuh self
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Common allyuh enough wid the progressive horse sh!t, the joke is ah fackin racist joke! jeeezzzeeee.
the fact that the cracker judge used the black and white issue with the mother being white and the boy being black, and insert the name "barack", shows it was meant to be a racist jab @ obama! so give it ah fackin rest with the apologist diatribe already.
you racist yuh self
How so?? i'm not in ah position to abuse any race by inflicting harm on them or stand in the way of their progress, nor i'm i part of the power structure that could make or break, having the power to negatively affect thousands of lives, so how am i racist?
i think what you meant to say was that i was a bigot, or that i have bigoted views, and on that i would also have to say that you're well wrong!
FYI, cracker is ah term used by blacks here in america to describe "racist whites", they also use words such as , pecker wood, hick, mr charlie, and "the man", so i suggest before you go around pointing fingers, you should first get your facts straight!
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From The Root:
When 'Sorry' Isn't Enough for Racism
By: Sherrilyn A. Ifill
Posted: March 2, 2012 at 5:55 PM
Why we shouldn't accept an apology from the federal judge who sent an offensive email about Obama.
Montana judge Richard Cebull has apologized to President Obama for emailing a disgusting, racist joke at the expense of the president, the president's mother and Cebull's own dignity. If I know our high-minded, dignified president, he will accept the disgraced federal judge's apology. He should not.
For any sober, thinking person, the email in question, in which the punch line suggests that Obama's mother was both promiscuous and into bestiality, is of the kind that should warrant an immediate delete. But the decision by Cebull, the chief judge of the federal district court in Montana, to send the email to several of his "buddies," using his federal email account, bespeaks a certain recklessness reflected among those who have lost all sense of respect and decorum in their opposition to our president.
From Rep. Joe "You lie" Wilson (R-S.C.) to Gov. Jan Brewer (R-Ariz.) pointing her finger in the president's face, to embattled Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio's claim that Obama's long-form birth certificate is a fake, open displays of contempt for the president reflect a dangerous strain among public officials who feel unrestrained by decorum, protocol or even rational sense in their zeal to besmirch Obama's reputation.
This alarming rash of intemperate, racially driven expressions of incivility by prominent white leaders is dangerous because it gives license to others to regard open disrespect of the president as sanctioned and approved. Their actions not only endanger Obama but also endanger future presidents by diminishing the respect due to the office of the presidency, whoever sits in the Oval Office.
Cebull's conduct may be the most disturbing. Before becoming a federal district judge in 2001 and the chief judge in 2008, he was a federal magistrate judge for three years, presumably managing hundreds of cases over the course of his career. Although we spend most of our time focused on the power of Supreme Court justices and even justices on the federal courts of appeal, few recognize how much power federal district court judges (trial judges) and magistrate judges exercise.
Trial judges control nearly all aspects of litigation -- deciding key motions, making decisions about the admission of evidence, determining the credibility of witnesses, giving instructions to juries and deciding the outcome of cases. Most of these decisions are never appealed, giving trial judges vast, unreviewed authority over civil and criminal cases involving the lives, liberty and livelihood of thousands of people. Federal district judges are also appointed for life, and thus may exercise this authority over decades.
This context is important in understanding the potential danger when a judge of this high standing in his community demonstrates the kind of recklessness exhibited by Cebull. According to published reports, he first explained that he sent the email because he is, in his words, "not a fan of this president." He explained that he did not send the email because of its racist content; he sent the email because it is "anti-Obama."
This has now become standard parsing in the bizarro world of race populated by the slice of Obama's most feral and zealous opponents. The crudest racial remark or joke is transformed into acceptable political speech because it opposes President Obama.
Certainly one can be anti-Obama without being racist. But if your opposition to the president is cloaked in crude racial stereotypes, all of the inferences are against you. Cebull should know this.
As a federal judge and the chief judge of his district, Cebull is expected to comport with the highest ethical standards. He has, to his credit, filed a letter (pdf) asking the chief judge of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals (of which the District of Montana is a part) to open an inquiry to determine whether his own actions constitute judicial misconduct.
Although the council may find that Cebull's behavior constitutes misconduct by fostering a "substantial and widespread lowering of public confidence in the courts," it will not impose a harsh sanction, given Cebull's "voluntary corrective action" in sending a letter of apology to the president and self-initiating the misconduct review.
But in determining whether Cebull should be subjected to a sanction, the Judicial Council of the 9th Circuit should also look to the ABA Model Code of Judicial Conduct (pdf), which sets the standards of ethical conduct for all federal and state judges. The code identifies several ways in which Cebull's conduct warrants stronger action:
*Rule 1.2 of the Model Code requires judges to behave "at all times in a manner that promotes public confidence in the independence, integrity and impartiality of the judiciary." Both Cebull's transmission of the email and his explanation for why he did so violate the standard set out in this rule.
*Rule 2.3 in the Model Code instructs that "a judge shall not in the performance of judicial duties, by words or conduct manifest bias or prejudice." The code specifically identifies "attempted humor based upon stereotypes" as an example of a "manifestation of bias." It is true that Cebull was not engaged in "judicial duties" when he sent this email, although the fact that he sent it from his federal account raises particular concerns.
*Rule 4.1 advises that "a judge ... shall not ... publicly endorse or oppose a candidate for any public office." Cebull's explanation that he is "anti-Obama" violates the rule.
The Judicial Council should also consider the fact that Cebull's conduct, which has raised questions about his impartiality, may provide grounds for his recusal from participation in a variety of cases. Cebull has said that he has "never considered himself" to be racist. But the federal statute governing the recusal of judges is focused on how a reasonable person would view the judge's conduct, not the judge's own view of himself.
Cebull's parsed logic -- arguing that although the email he sent is racist, he is not -- may be the kind of twisted logic that makes sense to a lawyer ("that depends on what the meaning of 'is' is"), but the average reasonable person is unlikely to find his argument convincing. If I were a black litigant or a woman of any race appearing before Cebull, I would have strong doubts about his fairness.
Cebull's conduct demonstrates an alarming lack of judgment and a disturbing failure to understand the power of his position. He has diminished the dignity of his office. He has also raised a credible inference of racial bias.
He deserves credit for promptly offering what appears to be a sincere and unadorned apology. But this personal apology is irrelevant to any questions legitimately raised by the larger public and, in the future, by those litigants who may appear before Cebull. They are entitled to be served by a chief judge who, in both fact and appearance, upholds the highest standards of impartiality and propriety.
Sherrilyn A. Ifill is a professor at the University of Maryland Francis King Carey School of Law in Baltimore and the author of On the Courthouse Lawn: Confronting the Legacy of Lynching in the 21st Century.
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Common allyuh enough wid the progressive horse sh!t, the joke is ah fackin racist joke! jeeezzzeeee.
the fact that the cracker judge used the black and white issue with the mother being white and the boy being black, and insert the name "barack", shows it was meant to be a racist jab @ obama! so give it ah fackin rest with the apologist diatribe already.
you racist yuh self
How so?? i'm not in ah position to abuse any race by inflicting harm on them or stand in the way of their progress, nor i'm i part of the power structure that could make or break, having the power to negatively affect thousands of lives, so how am i racist?
i think what you meant to say was that i was a bigot, or that i have bigoted views, and on that i would also have to say that you're well wrong!
FYI, cracker is ah term used by blacks here in america to describe "racist whites", they also use words such as , pecker wood, hick, mr charlie, and "the man", so i suggest before you go around pointing fingers, you should first get your facts straight!
flip it flop it how you want all you want a cracker its a racial term used against whites .... you know like calling a black person a n1gger
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From The Root:
When 'Sorry' Isn't Enough for Racism
By: Sherrilyn A. Ifill
Posted: March 2, 2012 at 5:55 PM
Why we shouldn't accept an apology from the federal judge who sent an offensive email about Obama.
Montana judge Richard Cebull has apologized to President Obama for emailing a disgusting, racist joke at the expense of the president, the president's mother and Cebull's own dignity. If I know our high-minded, dignified president, he will accept the disgraced federal judge's apology. He should not.
For any sober, thinking person, the email in question, in which the punch line suggests that Obama's mother was both promiscuous and into bestiality, is of the kind that should warrant an immediate delete. But the decision by Cebull, the chief judge of the federal district court in Montana, to send the email to several of his "buddies," using his federal email account, bespeaks a certain recklessness reflected among those who have lost all sense of respect and decorum in their opposition to our president.
From Rep. Joe "You lie" Wilson (R-S.C.) to Gov. Jan Brewer (R-Ariz.) pointing her finger in the president's face, to embattled Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio's claim that Obama's long-form birth certificate is a fake, open displays of contempt for the president reflect a dangerous strain among public officials who feel unrestrained by decorum, protocol or even rational sense in their zeal to besmirch Obama's reputation.
This alarming rash of intemperate, racially driven expressions of incivility by prominent white leaders is dangerous because it gives license to others to regard open disrespect of the president as sanctioned and approved. Their actions not only endanger Obama but also endanger future presidents by diminishing the respect due to the office of the presidency, whoever sits in the Oval Office.
Cebull's conduct may be the most disturbing. Before becoming a federal district judge in 2001 and the chief judge in 2008, he was a federal magistrate judge for three years, presumably managing hundreds of cases over the course of his career. Although we spend most of our time focused on the power of Supreme Court justices and even justices on the federal courts of appeal, few recognize how much power federal district court judges (trial judges) and magistrate judges exercise.
Trial judges control nearly all aspects of litigation -- deciding key motions, making decisions about the admission of evidence, determining the credibility of witnesses, giving instructions to juries and deciding the outcome of cases. Most of these decisions are never appealed, giving trial judges vast, unreviewed authority over civil and criminal cases involving the lives, liberty and livelihood of thousands of people. Federal district judges are also appointed for life, and thus may exercise this authority over decades.
This context is important in understanding the potential danger when a judge of this high standing in his community demonstrates the kind of recklessness exhibited by Cebull. According to published reports, he first explained that he sent the email because he is, in his words, "not a fan of this president." He explained that he did not send the email because of its racist content; he sent the email because it is "anti-Obama."
This has now become standard parsing in the bizarro world of race populated by the slice of Obama's most feral and zealous opponents. The crudest racial remark or joke is transformed into acceptable political speech because it opposes President Obama.
Certainly one can be anti-Obama without being racist. But if your opposition to the president is cloaked in crude racial stereotypes, all of the inferences are against you. Cebull should know this.
As a federal judge and the chief judge of his district, Cebull is expected to comport with the highest ethical standards. He has, to his credit, filed a letter (pdf) asking the chief judge of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals (of which the District of Montana is a part) to open an inquiry to determine whether his own actions constitute judicial misconduct.
Although the council may find that Cebull's behavior constitutes misconduct by fostering a "substantial and widespread lowering of public confidence in the courts," it will not impose a harsh sanction, given Cebull's "voluntary corrective action" in sending a letter of apology to the president and self-initiating the misconduct review.
But in determining whether Cebull should be subjected to a sanction, the Judicial Council of the 9th Circuit should also look to the ABA Model Code of Judicial Conduct (pdf), which sets the standards of ethical conduct for all federal and state judges. The code identifies several ways in which Cebull's conduct warrants stronger action:
*Rule 1.2 of the Model Code requires judges to behave "at all times in a manner that promotes public confidence in the independence, integrity and impartiality of the judiciary." Both Cebull's transmission of the email and his explanation for why he did so violate the standard set out in this rule.
*Rule 2.3 in the Model Code instructs that "a judge shall not in the performance of judicial duties, by words or conduct manifest bias or prejudice." The code specifically identifies "attempted humor based upon stereotypes" as an example of a "manifestation of bias." It is true that Cebull was not engaged in "judicial duties" when he sent this email, although the fact that he sent it from his federal account raises particular concerns.
*Rule 4.1 advises that "a judge ... shall not ... publicly endorse or oppose a candidate for any public office." Cebull's explanation that he is "anti-Obama" violates the rule.
The Judicial Council should also consider the fact that Cebull's conduct, which has raised questions about his impartiality, may provide grounds for his recusal from participation in a variety of cases. Cebull has said that he has "never considered himself" to be racist. But the federal statute governing the recusal of judges is focused on how a reasonable person would view the judge's conduct, not the judge's own view of himself.
Cebull's parsed logic -- arguing that although the email he sent is racist, he is not -- may be the kind of twisted logic that makes sense to a lawyer ("that depends on what the meaning of 'is' is"), but the average reasonable person is unlikely to find his argument convincing. If I were a black litigant or a woman of any race appearing before Cebull, I would have strong doubts about his fairness.
Cebull's conduct demonstrates an alarming lack of judgment and a disturbing failure to understand the power of his position. He has diminished the dignity of his office. He has also raised a credible inference of racial bias.
He deserves credit for promptly offering what appears to be a sincere and unadorned apology. But this personal apology is irrelevant to any questions legitimately raised by the larger public and, in the future, by those litigants who may appear before Cebull. They are entitled to be served by a chief judge who, in both fact and appearance, upholds the highest standards of impartiality and propriety.
Sherrilyn A. Ifill is a professor at the University of Maryland Francis King Carey School of Law in Baltimore and the author of On the Courthouse Lawn: Confronting the Legacy of Lynching in the 21st Century.
I could not agree more with Professor Sherrilyn Ifill. The jokes and behaviors towards Barack are made MOSTLY because he is black.
If Clinton were president there would be NO Tea Party existing today!
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FYI, cracker is ah term used by blacks here in america to describe "racist whites", they also use words such as , pecker wood, hick, mr charlie, and "the man", so i suggest before you go around pointing fingers, you should first get your facts straight!
JC yuh talkin' outta two sides of your mouth. First yuh riding men for being "apologist" then yuh trying to get technical (in an apologist way), to justify the use of a term which clearly has racially prejudiced connotations.
Come nah man fuh real...
FYI: Cracker is a derogatory term, and it's used primarily to refer to poor whites (whether racist or not)...
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Common allyuh enough wid the progressive horse sh!t, the joke is ah fackin racist joke! jeeezzzeeee.
the fact that the cracker judge used the black and white issue with the mother being white and the boy being black, and insert the name "barack", shows it was meant to be a racist jab @ obama! so give it ah fackin rest with the apologist diatribe already.
you racist yuh self
How so?? i'm not in ah position to abuse any race by inflicting harm on them or stand in the way of their progress, nor i'm i part of the power structure that could make or break, having the power to negatively affect thousands of lives, so how am i racist?
i think what you meant to say was that i was a bigot, or that i have bigoted views, and on that i would also have to say that you're well wrong!
FYI, cracker is ah term used by blacks here in america to describe "racist whites", they also use words such as , pecker wood, hick, mr charlie, and "the man", so i suggest before you go around pointing fingers, you should first get your facts straight!
flip it flop it how you want all you want a cracker its a racial term used against whites .... you know like calling a black person a n1gger
Where in the south you ever live? matter of fact i will make it easier for you, where in emerica yuh ever lived? bro, i live in america, and does interact with black americans every fackin waking day, and you want tuh tell me what ah black american term means while livin in fackin canada??!!. that's like me trying to tell you bout your own family members.
i not going to waste time wid you boss, so for the last time, my intention was not to be racist, and i used the word the way it was meant to be used, it's like ah person saying "hillbilly" to describe ah certain rural mentality, same as "hick" and "trailer trash"! if dat eh good enough for you, then believe what yuh want , i gone!
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How so?? i'm not in ah position to abuse any race by inflicting harm on them or stand in the way of their progress, nor i'm i part of the power structure that could make or break, having the power to negatively affect thousands of lives, so how am i racist?
i think what you meant to say was that i was a bigot, or that i have bigoted views, and on that i would also have to say that you're well wrong!
jc, dat is a convoluted def'n of racist if ever there was one. yuh bobbing and weaving.
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Common allyuh enough wid the progressive horse sh!t, the joke is ah fackin racist joke! jeeezzzeeee.
the fact that the cracker judge used the black and white issue with the mother being white and the boy being black, and insert the name "barack", shows it was meant to be a racist jab @ obama! so give it ah fackin rest with the apologist diatribe already.
you racist yuh self
How so?? i'm not in ah position to abuse any race by inflicting harm on them or stand in the way of their progress, nor i'm i part of the power structure that could make or break, having the power to negatively affect thousands of lives, so how am i racist?
i think what you meant to say was that i was a bigot, or that i have bigoted views, and on that i would also have to say that you're well wrong!
FYI, cracker is ah term used by blacks here in america to describe "racist whites", they also use words such as , pecker wood, hick, mr charlie, and "the man", so i suggest before you go around pointing fingers, you should first get your facts straight!
flip it flop it how you want all you want a cracker its a racial term used against whites .... you know like calling a black person a n1gger
Where in the south you ever live? matter of fact i will make it easier for you, where in emerica yuh ever lived? bro, i live in america, and does interact with black americans every fackin waking day, and you want tuh tell me what ah black american term means while livin in fackin canada??!!. that's like me trying to tell you bout your own family members.
i not going to waste time wid you boss, so for the last time, my intention was not to be racist, and i used the word the way it was meant to be used, it's like ah person saying "hillbilly" to describe ah certain rural mentality, same as "hick" and "trailer trash"! if dat eh good enough for you, then believe what yuh want , i gone!
I understand
so a black american calling a white person a cracker is ok ... it not racist when talking other black people..... ::)
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Where in the south you ever live? matter of fact i will make it easier for you, where in emerica yuh ever lived? bro, i live in america, and does interact with black americans every fackin waking day, and you want tuh tell me what ah black american term means while livin in fackin canada??!!. that's like me trying to tell you bout your own family members.
i not going to waste time wid you boss, so for the last time, my intention was not to be racist, and i used the word the way it was meant to be used, it's like ah person saying "hillbilly" to describe ah certain rural mentality, same as "hick" and "trailer trash"! if dat eh good enough for you, then believe what yuh want , i gone!
Just Cool... I think you are being sincere when you say that you are not racist, after all, you will trot out the fact that the mother/s of your kids is/are white, that your kids are mixed-race, that you get along well with everybody once they treat you with respect... etc. etc.
The fact of the matter though is that for a man who considers himself cool, rational and fair-minded, you have a disturbing penchant for saying the most vile and racist things... and then try to explain it away. This is what caused you and I to get into our very first verbal confrontation on this site, when I took the very things you said and turned it around from the perspective of a white person, espousing similar ignorance.
There is no way in this America, that the term "cracker" is the equivalent of "hick" or "hillbilly". "Cracker" is the equivalent of "ni**er" no two ways about it, the term is a racial pejorative no different form "honky". Hillbilly or hick would roughly be equivalent to "hoodrat"... both terms on either side may be racially-charged, but these are less pejorative in nature than cracker and the n-word.
Regardless what your intent may be, we have several white members of the forum, including at least one moderator, say nothing of visitors to the site. I think you need to bear this in mind before you say some of the things that you say.
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From The Root:
When 'Sorry' Isn't Enough for Racism
By: Sherrilyn A. Ifill
Posted: March 2, 2012 at 5:55 PM
For any sober, thinking person, the email in question, in which the punch line suggests that Obama's mother was both promiscuous and into bestiality, is of the kind that should warrant an immediate delete. But the decision by Cebull, the chief judge of the federal district court in Montana, to send the email to several of his "buddies," using his federal email account, bespeaks a certain recklessness reflected among those who have lost all sense of respect and decorum in their opposition to our president.
Disagree that any "sober thinking person" would immediately delete...that's a bit of hyperbole. We all enjoy reading an offensive joke every now and then, even about ourselves. Agree that it was reckless to then forward it.
This alarming rash of intemperate, racially driven expressions of incivility by prominent white leaders is dangerous because it gives license to others to regard open disrespect of the president as sanctioned and approved. Their actions not only endanger Obama but also endanger future presidents by diminishing the respect due to the office of the presidency, whoever sits in the Oval Office.
It is both premature and unhelpful to automatically classify the examples given as "racially driven"... Ifill has no insight into the motivations of the individuals in question and to reach for the race card in such a knee-jerk fashion only serves to undermine the more legitimate shouts of racism.
Federal district judges are also appointed for life, and thus may exercise this authority over decades.
Didn't know this... interesting. They can still be removed via impeachment however.
Certainly one can be anti-Obama without being racist. But if your opposition to the president is cloaked in crude racial stereotypes, all of the inferences are against you. Cebull should know this.
Agreed... of all the examples of opposition to Obama thus far, I think this is the only instance that can somewhat legitimately be termed 'racist' in nature.
As a federal judge and the chief judge of his district, Cebull is expected to comport with the highest ethical standards. He has, to his credit, filed a letter (pdf) asking the chief judge of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals (of which the District of Montana is a part) to open an inquiry to determine whether his own actions constitute judicial misconduct.
Very little, if anything will come of this... I personally don't see how it rises to the level of judicial misconduct.
But in determining whether Cebull should be subjected to a sanction, the Judicial Council of the 9th Circuit should also look to the ABA Model Code of Judicial Conduct (pdf), which sets the standards of ethical conduct for all federal and state judges. The code identifies several ways in which Cebull's conduct warrants stronger action:
Ifill should know that the Model Code doesn't "set" the standard... as much as it suggests the standard. There is a difference, the Model Code carries no authority of law, unless it is adopted by the jurisdiction. The Federal Courts have not adopted the ABA's Model Code, but instead have their own Federal Code of Judicial Conduct (http://www.uscourts.gov/RulesAndPolicies/CodesOfConduct/CodeConductUnitedStatesJudges.aspx).
*Rule 1.2 of the Model Code requires judges to behave "at all times in a manner that promotes public confidence in the independence, integrity and impartiality of the judiciary." Both Cebull's transmission of the email and his explanation for why he did so violate the standard set out in this rule.
*Rule 2.3 in the Model Code instructs that "a judge shall not in the performance of judicial duties, by words or conduct manifest bias or prejudice." The code specifically identifies "attempted humor based upon stereotypes" as an example of a "manifestation of bias." It is true that Cebull was not engaged in "judicial duties" when he sent this email, although the fact that he sent it from his federal account raises particular concerns.
*Rule 4.1 advises that "a judge ... shall not ... publicly endorse or oppose a candidate for any public office." Cebull's explanation that he is "anti-Obama" violates the rule.
None of these are really determinative, since they don't govern Cebull's behavior. I'm sure analogous codes might be found in the Federal CJC though.
The Judicial Council should also consider the fact that Cebull's conduct, which has raised questions about his impartiality, may provide grounds for his recusal from participation in a variety of cases. Cebull has said that he has "never considered himself" to be racist. But the federal statute governing the recusal of judges is focused on how a reasonable person would view the judge's conduct, not the judge's own view of himself.
I agree with this in its entirety... as I argued earlier, it really doesn't matter what he himself thinks of his actions.
Cebull's parsed logic -- arguing that although the email he sent is racist, he is not -- may be the kind of twisted logic that makes sense to a lawyer ("that depends on what the meaning of 'is' is"), but the average reasonable person is unlikely to find his argument convincing. If I were a black litigant or a woman of any race appearing before Cebull, I would have strong doubts about his fairness.
Cebull's conduct demonstrates an alarming lack of judgment and a disturbing failure to understand the power of his position. He has diminished the dignity of his office. He has also raised a credible inference of racial bias.
Agreed with all the above.
He deserves credit for promptly offering what appears to be a sincere and unadorned apology. But this personal apology is irrelevant to any questions legitimately raised by the larger public and, in the future, by those litigants who may appear before Cebull. They are entitled to be served by a chief judge who, in both fact and appearance, upholds the highest standards of impartiality and propriety.
Sherrilyn A. Ifill is a professor at the University of Maryland Francis King Carey School of Law in Baltimore and the author of On the Courthouse Lawn: Confronting the Legacy of Lynching in the 21st Century.
I like Prof. Ifill... the little that I know of her, but I think that while sufficient, the article could also have been stronger in a lot of areas.
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Via a perfunctory search, I attempted to locate an article or commentary in support of Cebull. I found a letter to the editor in one of the local papers in his neck of the woods ... I hoped to paint a sharp contrast between Ifill's article and the one I sought, but no such luck. Perhaps, I'll look more penetratingly when time permits.
@Bakes: re: the life appointment ... I had anticipated you rendering comment when TT called for dismissal, but you explained your silence. The conventional wisdom espoused is that here there is no high crime or misdemeanor involved.
Under the applicable code of judicial conduct, if Cebull is a member of an entity that practices invidious discrimination, what's the likelihood of it coming to light? Presumably, members of the entity would have a vested interest in covering his ass. At present, but for his personal comments, what we have is a hint of his proclivity rather than an outright conclusive whopper of it ... although I'm not inclined to go with his self-declaration.
On the issue of "racially driven", I understand the caution ... but given the tradition of loyal opposition in the United States, typical congressional tolerance even in similar conditions of a polarized polity and the lack of similarly egregious conduct even in the face of manifest presidential intransigence ... I think we have here at least the ingredients for a rebuttable presumption of race as a motivating factor with respect to the examples of conduct identified by Ifill.
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asylumseeker, I like you, even when I was cutting your ass in debates about the housing market way back in 2006 (?) or is it 07?
But reading what you write reminds me of being back in my A Level English Literature class when I was studying Hardy.
In other words it can be very muddy reading.
You does talk like this everyday? I mean in conversations with everyday, run of the mill people not associated with this board?
e.g. typical congressional tolerance even in similar conditions of a polarized polity and the lack of similarly egregious conduct even in the face of manifest presidential intransigence
I does be scrambling for a dictionary every time I have to read your posts so I can make sense of them. How dem half chinee does understand you?
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It's not a matter of emotion...what would you think if that joke were forwarded to you? or what would you say if Obama's name were removed and replaced with yours and you received it in an email would it still be funny?
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asylumseeker, I like you, even when I was cutting your ass in debates about the housing market way back in 2006 (?) or is it 07?
But reading what you write reminds me of being back in my A Level English Literature class when I was studying Hardy.
In other words it can be very muddy reading.
You does talk like this everyday? I mean in conversations with everyday, run of the mill people not associated with this board?
e.g. typical congressional tolerance even in similar conditions of a polarized polity and the lack of similarly egregious conduct even in the face of manifest presidential intransigence
I does be scrambling for a dictionary every time I have to read your posts so I can make sense of them. How dem half chinee does understand you?
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: aye o god...............lawd :rotfl: :whistling: carry on..............
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I recall the housing crisis exchanges. I suspect you cutting my ass is revisionism. :P I might agree to an evenly bloody aftermath.
Wax, wax, wax ... ah doh do much chatting when it come to meh half chinee ... hence ah does come here and supplement/replace meh diet. ;D Frankly, ah only partially on kix. I readily admit to using this venue to refine my thought process.
Actually, I think the Mayor of Casterbridge and Far From the Madding Crowd made for easier reading. :)
Look, I don't pretend that everybody need understand ... that was a deal I made with myself when I started posting. Needah ah doh go outta meh way to be deliberately obfuscating or gratuitously high brow. It comes as it flows. In the present case, even as I hit send I recognized the content for what it was ... but since it was directed @Bakes primarily ... it had that tilt because constructs like "invidious discrimination" and "rebuttable presumption" come from a particular context.
That covers most of the deal. Part of the balance is that I view the forum as an organic document that will one day possess its own provenance of our cultural record and I treat it as such.
Ah forgetting something ... oh yeah, to translate this:
" ... typical congressional tolerance even in similar conditions of a polarized polity and the lack of similarly egregious conduct even in the face of manifest presidential intransigence ..."
Vitriol in any legislative chamber is par fuh de course, but the intolerant displays evident in this Congress (just look at Ochocinco's puzzlement re: Boehner or the Ifill examples) are beyond the pale. Iz a hard sell that race isn't a corrosive element in the pic. We have had polarization before but there has always been greater deference to the POTUS. Now one can argue (as you have) that Obama's cowtowing kinda brought it on himself (I don't disagree) ... but the level of permissiveness is ludicrous. On the real it probably isn't any different than the rumblings felt by other professionals of color in their working environments when bestowed with authority that others resent or resist. In both contexts it is difficult to abstract or even eliminate race as a viable culprit ... yuh hadda rely on the surrounding facts and circumstances (ah know ah preaching to de choir).
What else? Yeah, in modern America history, there have been presidents who have engaged in all manner of f**kery ... but nobody (read elected officials) got up to f**k with them in the denigrating fashion that this Republican cohort seems to endorse. Darn ... as misplaced as Limbaugh's comments were re: the law student, Michelle Bachmann bite she tongue and couldn't bring herself to rightly condemn Rush. Dem tings is folly.
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my grandmother ....lawd bless her soul....told me that no matter how many letters I get behind my name..if I allowed education to make me become a jack ass...then the only thing I become is an educated jack ass....I hope that was simple enough to read.
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my grandmother ....lawd bless her soul....told me that no matter how many letters I get behind my name..if I allowed education to make me become a jack ass...then the only thing I become is an educated jack ass....I hope that was simple enough to read.
Mine didn't have to tell me.
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No need to try and clown Asylumseeker... I agree (and he concedes to an extent) that his writing could be simpler, much simpler in my opinion. That said, I understood what he said and understand the message he is trying to convey. That said, I still stand convicted that it doesn't help the discourse to automatically start tossing about "race", "racist" and "racism" on the evidence that we have relating to Wilson, Brewer, Arpaio and now Cebull. The example of Cebull is the one which comes closest to the charge, since as Ifill rightly said, in disseminating the "joke" he at least allows for the rise of a rebuttable presumption that he enjoyed/agrees with/endorses the joke. If he shares the sentiments expressed in the joke then he may in fact be guilty of harboring racist thoughts.
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Me eh trying to clown nobody but when big man come with dat kinda nonsense yuh does have to call dem out..
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Did I jess read that JC breed ah white thing...? ;D :wavetowel:
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Me eh trying to clown nobody but when big man come with dat kinda nonsense yuh does have to call dem out..
It eh no clowning scene, buh wha is de nonsense that you so feel you addressed?
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I see you remember what we studied in English Lit those years...Mayor is a boss book,,,good movie too..yuh is ah kinda Henchard yuh know
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Did I jess read that JC breed ah white thing...? ;D :wavetowel:
please breds, have some respect, i don't like the term ting when talking bout my family, as yuh know, i will never address your mrs as ah "ting".
when ah fella using that word, it's to describe ah wonton dame yuh playing with, which yuh have no intention of make her an honest woman. all my baby mothers are ladies, so i would rather yuhs guys address them as such. much respect to all. positive.
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Trini 2018, i not in the long talk bro, but i will just say this and dun the argument, bc i know who i am and no guy can't evaluate me, and quite frankly, they have no need to, bc i so bold face that if i was ah racist i would say it loud and proud and fack who doh like it!
for the last time, i used the word the way any "black american" newyorker would, how i'm used to hearing it used, and how it is deemed in my neck of the woods,
and if allyuh take offense to it, then i suggest that allyuh never ever again in life use the words "RED NECK" to describe anyone, since that too could be construed as ah racist term, or @ least have racial implications.
BTW, hillbilly, and hick could also be very offensive to the ppl it's directed towards, same goes for boy, and "hey you".
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my grandmother ....lawd bless her soul....told me that no matter how many letters I get behind my name..if I allowed education to make me become a jack ass...then the only thing I become is an educated jack ass....I hope that was simple enough to read.
Mine didn't have to tell me.
And yet should have.
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And yet should have.
Ah guess Giggsy ent de only woman coming out de closet.
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my grandmother ....lawd bless her soul....told me that no matter how many letters I get behind my name..if I allowed education to make me become a jack ass...then the only thing I become is an educated jack ass....I hope that was simple enough to read.
Why you even bother to read that drivel?
If the man goal is to make his message as garbled as possible then his intent can't be for you to read it. Leave the man be, let him humor himself.
What i know is that the most effective way to deliver a message is to tailor it to your audience, and last time i check this is SW.net not the Form 6 Literature club.
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I am not sure that asylumseeker deliberately tries to obfuscate. In my opinion he eschews obfuscation, and while to some he may seem pococurante, I do not see him as an individual of contemptuous thoughts.
Indeed asylumseeker would address such allegations with much objurgation. Asylumseeker is a man who is prepared to risk the obloquy and criticism of any who may wish to impugn his character with the celerity of Usain Bolt!
p.s. It was never my attempt to cause any obloquy when I questioned as on his writing/speaking style. And to my satisfaction he explained that he writes it as it flows. Any animadversion that occurred from my posting is greatly regretted.
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??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???..............um I jus laff cause it did funny :D
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ob·fus·cate/ˈäbfəˌskāt/
Verb: Render obscure, unclear, or unintelligible; Bewilder (someone).
Not to be confused with "obdurate"
eschews 3rd person singular present of es·chew
Verb: Deliberately avoid using; abstain from: "he appealed to the crowd to eschew violence".
Not to be confused with cashew
pococurante (po-ko-koo-RAN-tee, -kyoo-)
Adjective. Indifferent, apathetic, nonchalant. noun. A careless or indifferent person
Not to be confused with procurement as in prostitution.
con·temp·tu·ous/kənˈtem(p)CHo͞oəs/
Adjective: Showing contempt; scornful
Not to be confused with what hillbillies do in the privacy of their own shack.
ob·jur·ga.tion
Noun: a severe rebuking; scolding.
Not to be confused with masturbation
ob·lo·quy/ˈäbləkwē/
Noun: Strong public criticism or verbal abuse.
Not to be confused with obzokie
ce·ler·i·ty/səˈleritē/
Noun: Swiftness of movement.
Not to be confused with celery (which taste quite nice with cheese wizz)
an·i·mad·ver·sion/ˌanəmadˈvərZHən/
Noun: Criticism or censure., a comment or remark, esp. a critical one.
Not to be confused with veganism (i.e an aversion to animals)
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my grandmother ....lawd bless her soul....told me that no matter how many letters I get behind my name..if I allowed education to make me become a jack ass...then the only thing I become is an educated jack ass....I hope that was simple enough to read.
Why you even bother to read that drivel?
If the man goal is to make his message as garbled as possible then his intent can't be for you to read it. Leave the man be, let him humor himself.
What i know is that the most effective way to deliver a message is to tailor it to your audience, and last time i check this is SW.net not the Form 6 Literature club.
I have a subsequent post to make but time doh permit right now ... buh ah had to take a moment to deal wid your errant, interloping ass. Ah sure yuh learn dem words somewhere between London and New York City ... if not, consult Pecan.
Yuh would have been better advised to find a podcast to work on than to bring talk on this thread. Ah would ah respect yuh as a man if yuh responded on the other thread where I challenged your conduct ... but apparently yuh intent on squandering de lil goodwill and respect I accorded yuh ... dahis yuh prerogative, buh doh come rong here wid bullshit. Tote yuh obvious feelings elsewhere. I doh mind yuh running een under de shelter of either kicker or MEP, buh yuh still dangling uselessly like a limp prick in a orgy.
I know yuh not illiterate ... so perhaps yuh willfully blind and chupid? Did you fail to notice that it was expressly stated that the commentary was tailored to Bakes. Yuh not in a position to decipher drivel from drool.
Dis ain't de celerity of Usain Bolt ... is ah hors d'oeuvres. Feel free to come back fuh seconds.
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This thread starting to furcate more than a Chinese birch tree!
aasylumseeker, please keep being you. I actually was just joking about your way of communicating and over the years you have remained consistent and constant.
I am being genuine when I say that you always bring substance to debates and besides, if you do change your style I will surely miss the splendor of your words, they illuminate and are as brilliant and rutilant as any sun flare or aurora borealis!!!
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By the way dais ah piece ah heights yuh rest on meh boy dinho dey sir....
Dis ain't de celerity of Usain Bolt ... is ah hors d'oeuvres. Feel free to come back fuh seconds.
But asylumsssker, it is gauche to pettifog.
Carry on smartly. ;)
I wonder what you would be like doing Midnight Robber talk for Carnival?
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the English language is full of beauty and very few of us can utilize it for what it is worth.
Candidly, I wish my vocabulary was a just a fraction of men like Asylum, Bakes and TT (when he not cussing somebody up that is). It have a few more men who does post as well but I cant think of them right now.
Don't stop with your freshet of polysyllabic words man :beermug:
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This thread starting to furcate more than a Chinese birch tree!
aasylumseeker, please keep being you. I actually was just joking about your way of communicating and over the years you have remained consistent and constant.
I am being genuine when I say that you always bring substance to debates and besides, if you do change your style I will surely miss the splendor of your words, they illuminate and are as brilliant and rutilant as any sun flare or aurora borealis!!!
is that de long form for the area around a woman nipple?
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my grandmother ....lawd bless her soul....told me that no matter how many letters I get behind my name..if I allowed education to make me become a jack ass...then the only thing I become is an educated jack ass....I hope that was simple enough to read.
Why you even bother to read that drivel?
If the man goal is to make his message as garbled as possible then his intent can't be for you to read it. Leave the man be, let him humor himself.
What i know is that the most effective way to deliver a message is to tailor it to your audience, and last time i check this is SW.net not the Form 6 Literature club.
I have a subsequent post to make but time doh permit right now ... buh ah had to take a moment to deal wid your errant, interloping ass. Ah sure yuh learn dem words somewhere between London and New York City ... if not, consult Pecan.
Yuh would have been better advised to find a podcast to work on than to bring talk on this thread. Ah would ah respect yuh as a man if yuh responded on the other thread where I challenged your conduct ... but apparently yuh intent on squandering de lil goodwill and respect I accorded yuh ... dahis yuh prerogative, buh doh come rong here wid bullshit. Tote yuh obvious feelings elsewhere. I doh mind yuh running een under de shelter of either kicker or MEP, buh yuh still dangling uselessly like a limp prick in a orgy.
I know yuh not illiterate ... so perhaps yuh willfully blind and chupid? Did you fail to notice that it was expressly stated that the commentary was tailored to Bakes. Yuh not in a position to decipher drivel from drool.
Dis ain't de celerity of Usain Bolt ... is ah hors d'oeuvres. Feel free to come back fuh seconds.
I aint bother to respond to you over in that thread, because yuh was doing such a good job of making an ass of yuhself i say lemme leave you to it...
I dunno why yuh figure i care about your opinion of me.. Your goodwill and respect?? Lolol... Seriously, who de f**k is your old ass again hoss? Yuh busy studying where i living and what i doing like some lil fan boy, like ur old ass aint have nutten better to do when the day come.
Look eh uncle, go and find yuhself ah hobby or better yet go an jock yuh wood in ah corner or something, that way yuh wouldnt have to be studying nobody limp prick when the day come.
Again, the simple point is... If yuh responding to one forum member only then familiarize yuhself with the pm feature, otherwise if is pleasure yuh trying to pleasure yuhself with ah setta nonsense big words with ah glaring lack of any kinda substance underneath then find ah forkin geriatric book club... Imps.
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my grandmother ....lawd bless her soul....told me that no matter how many letters I get behind my name..if I allowed education to make me become a jack ass...then the only thing I become is an educated jack ass....I hope that was simple enough to read.
Why you even bother to read that drivel?
If the man goal is to make his message as garbled as possible then his intent can't be for you to read it. Leave the man be, let him humor himself.
What i know is that the most effective way to deliver a message is to tailor it to your audience, and last time i check this is SW.net not the Form 6 Literature club.
I have a subsequent post to make but time doh permit right now ... buh ah had to take a moment to deal wid your errant, interloping ass. Ah sure yuh learn dem words somewhere between London and New York City ... if not, consult Pecan.
Yuh would have been better advised to find a podcast to work on than to bring talk on this thread. Ah would ah respect yuh as a man if yuh responded on the other thread where I challenged your conduct ... but apparently yuh intent on squandering de lil goodwill and respect I accorded yuh ... dahis yuh prerogative, buh doh come rong here wid bullshit. Tote yuh obvious feelings elsewhere. I doh mind yuh running een under de shelter of either kicker or MEP, buh yuh still dangling uselessly like a limp prick in a orgy.
I know yuh not illiterate ... so perhaps yuh willfully blind and chupid? Did you fail to notice that it was expressly stated that the commentary was tailored to Bakes. Yuh not in a position to decipher drivel from drool.
Dis ain't de celerity of Usain Bolt ... is ah hors d'oeuvres. Feel free to come back fuh seconds.
I aint bother to respond to you over in that thread, because yuh was doing such a good job of making an ass of yuhself i say lemme leave you to it...
I dunno why yuh figure i care about your opinion of me.. Your goodwill and respect?? Lolol... Seriously, who de f**k is your old ass again hoss? Yuh busy studying where i living and what i doing like some lil fan boy, like ur old ass aint have nutten better to do when the day come.
Look eh uncle, go and find yuhself ah hobby or better yet go an jock yuh wood in ah corner or something, that way yuh wouldnt have to be studying nobody limp prick when the day come.
Again, the simple point is... If yuh responding to one forum member only then familiarize yuhself with the pm feature, otherwise if is pleasure yuh trying to pleasure yuhself with ah setta nonsense big words with ah glaring lack of any kinda substance underneath then find ah forkin geriatric book club... Imps.
Dealing wid you ah starting to feel like Jim Henson.
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This thread starting to furcate more than a Chinese birch tree!
aasylumseeker, please keep being you. I actually was just joking about your way of communicating and over the years you have remained consistent and constant.
I am being genuine when I say that you always bring substance to debates and besides, if you do change your style I will surely miss the splendor of your words, they illuminate and are as brilliant and rutilant as any sun flare or aurora borealis!!!
is that de long form for the area around a woman nipple?
Well....I never thought of it, but technically you might be correct. An areola borealis could literally be translated as an (open place up north). For some individuals with time it can obviously then become an areola australis (open place down south) ..... ;D
Other similar words include the word aureola and so on and so forth......
I hope the above explanation helps elucidate and soothe the eloquent discourse between the goodly Messrs. Naipaul and Walcott with obvious input from Mr. Webster and his dictionary... ;)
If not I quote a fellow forumite whose name presently escapes me but..."Until better comes, let the worst continue..."
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I am not sure that asylumseeker deliberately tries to obfuscate. In my opinion he eschews obfuscation, and while to some he may seem pococurante, I do not see him as an individual of contemptuous thoughts.
Indeed asylumseeker would address such allegations with much objurgation. Asylumseeker is a man who is prepared to risk the obloquy and criticism of any who may wish to impugn his character with the celerity of Usain Bolt!
p.s. It was never my attempt to cause any obloquy when I questioned as on his writing/speaking style. And to my satisfaction he explained that he writes it as it flows. Any animadversion that occurred from my posting is greatly regretted.
Haha that was yesterday's word of the day on dictionary.com
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I love this thread.
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Well....I never thought of it, but technically you might be correct. An areola borealis could literally be translated as an (open place up north). For some individuals with time it can obviously then become an areola australis (open place down south) ..... ;D
Other similar words include the word aureola and so on and so forth......
I hope the above explanation helps elucidate and soothe the eloquent discourse between the goodly Messrs. Naipaul and Walcott with obvious input from Mr. Webster and his dictionary... ;)
If not I quote a fellow forumite whose name presently escapes me but..."Until better comes, let the worst continue..."
thanks for the mini-treatise on the aureola's both north and south. Do you realize that today is day number 69 of the year?
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Trouble is dis...ah have ah hand held electronic thesaurus and allyuh men bun it out oui.
Plus dinho make 'seeker get gully.
Mus be the solar flares causin dis kinda havoc
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I doh mind yuh running een under de shelter of either kicker or MEP, buh yuh still dangling uselessly like a limp prick in a orgy.
Aye leave me outta this nuh...thanks. :beermug:
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It's baffling to me how men only contributions to the thread is to come and bitch about ah man vocabulary. I largely agree with the substance (though not the 'style') of MEP's post... sometimes lawd knows I does want to break out mih red pencil. Some of the personal attacks, on something that don't even concern them... just kinda eye-opening fuh me. Maybe Asylumseeker onto something with he 'toting feelings' talk.
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asylumseeker, I like you, even when I was cutting your ass in debates about the housing market way back in 2006 (?) or is it 07?
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I recall the housing crisis exchanges. I suspect you cutting my ass is revisionism. :P I might agree to an evenly bloody aftermath.
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Yuh make meh look ...
Good article.
I think the above balanced with Rove's decision to concede the middle of the electorate assisted in the outcome.
Rove sought to drive the Rep base as he usually does, but with the 7-point movement described above - and the fact that he was wrong in concluding that the middle was to be less influential than the dependable base he cultivated in 2002 and 2004 - the starkness of the result more clearly comes into focus.
IMV Dems have been guilty of similarly conceding in the past. Lamentably so, like an inferiority complex.
In this midterm, in some races, both parties tried to appeal to the electorate by distinguishing the candidates on local factors ("local values" etc.) as distinct from what was going on @ the national level.
What Rove dismissed by conceding the middle is that even where voters examine two candidates through a local prism the loyal base is insufficient to effect a favourable result because middle of the road voters are perhaps more highly motivated than their partisan counterparts in a political environment rife with motivational factors (Iraq, corruption, sex and Bush ... even though the economy is ticking along decently) that would piss off the ordinarily disinterested voter.
I concur for the most part...but your comment about the economy ticking along nicely rankles me.
What do you make of the housing market, which for so long carried the economy?
And please no Bush-it
That thread had a fair dose of intrigue, substance and kicks ... and yeah, a lil blood ... ;) ... before yuh raise that housing question ... and even after. Some classic exchanges ... apparently when wit was permissible and before they banned dictionaries.
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I hope that you see where I took umbrage to your good economy statement! in 2006 too boot...housing bubble burst 2007..economy crashed....ahhhhh...no damn revisionism noted!
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It's baffling to me how men only contributions to the thread is to come and bitch about ah man vocabulary. I largely agree with the substance (though not the 'style') of MEP's post... sometimes lawd knows I does want to break out mih red pencil. Some of the personal attacks, on something that don't even concern them... just kinda eye-opening fuh me. Maybe Asylumseeker onto something with he 'toting feelings' talk.
Noted, but as you may tell it was purposely done as a direct pronouncement would have led to confrontation. I don't have anything against truetrini as I think he is someone we can learn from. However, I think the tenor and tone of his statement was to impress and deride. If indeed it were meant for you then I'm sure a pm would have sufficed.
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It's baffling to me how men only contributions to the thread is to come and bitch about ah man vocabulary. I largely agree with the substance (though not the 'style') of MEP's post... sometimes lawd knows I does want to break out mih red pencil. Some of the personal attacks, on something that don't even concern them... just kinda eye-opening fuh me. Maybe Asylumseeker onto something with he 'toting feelings' talk.
Noted, but as you may tell it was purposely done as a direct pronouncement would have led to confrontation. I don't have anything against truetrini as I think he is someone we can learn from. However, I think the tenor and tone of his statement was to impress and deride. If indeed it were meant for you then I'm sure a pm would have sufficed.
I think yuh mean Asylumseeker... and I don't think he said his post was "meant" for me as much as in addressing me primarily he used language that he knew I would be conversant with. Put another way, if I know you's a structural engineer and directing something to you specifically, but contributing in an arena where others are active, there is nothing wrong with me using an engineer's vocabulary to communicate my message to you. If others happen to catch on and want to respond then they welcome, but I mainly want to make my point to you. I don't think there's anything in this imaginary internet protocol we citing that says a pm is necessary. But that's just my take.
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And yet should have.
Ah guess Giggsy ent de only woman coming out de closet.
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Giggsy is a woman??
This is a bess thread...
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I'm more than mildly amused that aside from a comment or two ... my apparently "provocative" post is one of the last posts to actually address the topic of the thread. As expressed above, ah still have a comment to make "off-topic".
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I hope that you see where I took umbrage to your good economy statement! in 2006 too boot...housing bubble burst 2007..economy crashed....ahhhhh...no damn revisionism noted!
Not so fast grasshopper: there was no predictive component to the discussion. The discussion focused on affairs as they then stood. I drew my authority from an economic perspective that did not allude to foreclosure ...(mention was made of housing starts). However, the characterization of "ticking along decently" in no way endorsed the view that other systemic concerns were thrown out the window ... it merely proposed that some aspects of the housing sector were in decent/ sound health and could be influential on tempering the most pessimistic of assessments as they stood in '06.
I know it was a contrarian emphasis to advocate but perhaps you've noticed ... I don't abide by conventional wisdoms merely because they are the swagger of the day.
What is noteworthy is that the political side of the discussion takes us back to a time when you thought I had Republican leanings merely because I espoused an unflattering view of the Dem party status quo. I think by now you know dahis not my scene :) ... Buh if yuh want credit for predictive value ... yuh hadda give me credit on the political side for ultimately getting several things correct. :)
We both have blood on our hands ... a metaphor that I plan on extending. ;)
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And yet should have.
Ah guess Giggsy ent de only woman coming out de closet.
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Giggsy is a woman??
This is a bess thread...
Not only dat, but de lady falsely or accurately had her proclivities put out in de cyber road
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allyuh wotless too bad.
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And yet should have.
Ah guess Giggsy ent de only woman coming out de closet.
First of all I was not in the closet, so there was no closet to come out of. But you and on the other hand obviously is in the closet, since you consistently litter the various threads with homo erotic speak in your attempts to 'shit up' forumnites. In addition to your continued need, to be the center of commess. Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, must be his queeness Bake and Shark!
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with thick mexican accent ;D closet..... what closet.......she don't got no closet......she don't need no stinking closet............ ;D jus kiksin gigsy doh kill mih ;D
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Wait Giggsy is a Girl... and she is ah manu fan... double score sista! :beermug:
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And yet should have.
Ah guess Giggsy ent de only woman coming out de closet.
First of all I was not in the closet, so there was no closet to come out of. But you and on the other hand obviously is in the closet, since you consistently litter the various threads with homo erotic speak in your attempts to 'shit up' forumnites. In addition to your continued need, to be the center of commess. Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, must be his queeness Bake and Shark!
(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h104/pecan6/Emoticons/eatingpeanuts.gif)
(http://graphicshunt.com/emoticons/images/quacking_duck-117.htm)
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with thick mexican accent ;D closet..... what closet.......she don't got no closet......she don't need no stinking closet............ ;D jus kiksin gigsy doh kill mih ;D
Dred, I don't sweat that stuff, I can give as good as I can get. ;D I know you kicksin!
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First of all I was not in the closet, so there was no closet to come out of. But you and on the other hand obviously is in the closet, since you consistently litter the various threads with homo erotic speak in your attempts to 'shit up' forumnites. In addition to your continued need, to be the center of commess. Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, must be his queeness Bake and Shark!
All this "homo erotic speak" and "need, to be the center of commess" talk... methinks the lesbian doth protest too much. It's been years since I get into any prolonged back and forth with anybody on this site, and the occasional times that I do hardly counts as "continued" and "consistent". Mad Scorpion is a personal pardna of mine so I does shit him up and tell him he does carry Kenwyne jock strap, because he knows he does. But misery... or bullas in this case love company so yuh reaching, but hard luck on dat one.
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(http://graphicshunt.com/emoticons/images/quacking_duck-117.htm)
Like you take over from West Coast with the maccomere man behavior or what dred? You eh too ole to be throwing basket fuh ah big man?
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nah man, I not even close to westcoast. He have over 16,000 posts. I only at 6,000.
I sitting here trying to write a report and I was hoping for a good round of picong to inspire me.
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And yet should have.
Ah guess Giggsy ent de only woman coming out de closet.
First of all I was not in the closet, so there was no closet to come out of. But you and on the other hand obviously is in the closet, since you consistently litter the various threads with homo erotic speak in your attempts to 'shit up' forumnites. In addition to your continued need, to be the center of commess. Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, must be his queeness Bake and Shark!
(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h104/pecan6/Emoticons/eatingpeanuts.gif)
(http://graphicshunt.com/emoticons/images/quacking_duck-117.htm)
Ah missin the ole devil icon.
Anywayz, this one will have to suffice.
:devil:
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so who else feels that the judge was racist? ;)
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so who else feels that the judge was racist? ;)
You are a pot stirrer. You have to bring this thread back on track eh?
Well Adam Cohen of Yale Law School thinks he is.
http://ideas.time.com/2012/03/12/when-judges-are-racist/?xid=newsletter-daily (http://ideas.time.com/2012/03/12/when-judges-are-racist/?xid=newsletter-daily)
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so who else feels that the judge was racist? ;)
racist, schmacist...this thread is about who does use de bess 50cent words and outing who done out and pointing de gaydar at who still inside de closet.
Focus preople FOCUS
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I’ve been posting on this forum since 2006. From then to now, I’ve not had the slightest interest in what posters do for a living, where dey live, or in drawing conclusions about their personal lives or who they are. Dahis me. I HAVE been interested in the diversity of opinions on the forum, the style in which these opinions are expressed, and everything that flows from that (whether picong, oletalk, mamaguy, what have you). However - as with silence or the spoken word - the written word fleshes out a lil something about people and the quality of their thoughts, but it isn't definitive in the absence of the fuller dimension one gets in person. Anybody who has sent a text or spoken to someone on the phone understands the dimension that is missing. On de forum it would be foolhardy to move as if things are otherwise.
Unless one is intimately or (possibly) passingly familiar with a poster in person, one is not in a position to draw absolute bullish conclusions about that poster. Now over time I’ve come to understand that some posters know each other, are on the basis of that type of intimate or passing personal interaction, or have made each other’s acquaintance during the years … whether by bouncing up somewhere or through attending a game or liming at one of the forum games etc. or through some other shared pursuit. This comes out in de oletalk that is a staple on the board and it makes for healthy interaction ... generally. Sometimes it does not.
There are some posters, whom despite their efforts, I know their identities. In other cases, I suspect I know a poster's identity. Either way, I take it for what it is. I don't seek to confirm one way or the other. Dahis me. Some posters readily divulge their career pursuits, involvements, personal practices etc. Dahis a matter of preference. There is no right or wrong approach. It ent my thing per se. Over the years, I'm sure I've irritated an actual friend here or an actual friend there. I stand by what I post and I post what I can defend.
While occasionally during the course of these almost 6 years I’ve provided a handful of anecdotes, for the most part what I have to share deals with my subjective or objective view of whatever the topic is ... without delving into my personal experience - EVEN in instances where I could make an authoritative contribution.
Some members stay strictly or primarily on the football side. Others mostly on the general discussion side. Some may feel more competent to address issues on one side more than on the other side. Others may find the Gen Disc side of the coin more controversial than the other side, so they avoid it entirely ... or ... as much as possible. On the other hand, some posters thrive on both sides of the divide.
My first post was made on the Gen Disc side and for a while there was an imbalance that favored the Gen Disc side. Ah gradually made my way to the football side ... such that now de balance has shifted. Right now, for every 4 posts I make on the Gen board, I make 5 on the Football side (I did the math; iz not a formula I live by).
Now, I don't have a solid record as being a creature of habit. Given that record, I've hung around in this virtual neighbourhood a lil longer than I might have anticipated when I started posting ... had I given any thought to it. However, although this ain't no where close to lingering on the "doorsteps of colonialism" ... ;) (ah had to squeeze that in there; ah like that phrase too bad, couldn't resist; plus it helps that iz good talk) ... it has been as sweet as any lime yuh didn't plan but rell enjoyed.
Nonetheless, periodically I've taken breaks from posting that have lasted as long as 6 months or merely a matter of days. Sometime back I established 5,000 posts as a benchmark for evaluating how I would engage the Board going forward. That isn't a reflection of the quality of the cyber-interaction but it is a product of introspection. In addition, there's the saying: familiarity breeds contempt. Yet, in the abstract ... on a cyber-forum that familiarity thing shouldn't have an especially high likelihood ... BUT, given the dynamics of who acquainted with who ... iz quite possible here.
However, de forum is a magnet of immense value, so now I'm a confirmed as a creature of at least this habit.
I look at my experience here like any good pommecythere chow ... it sweet too bad, have a lil pepper and well yuh go have a lil sourness in de mix. We iz Trinis so nobody eh kidding deyself ... we love that kinda mix because dahis what brings out who we are ... look what does happen when ah thread get hijacked ... Preamble done. Leh we proceed.
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my grandmother ....lawd bless her soul....told me that no matter how many letters I get behind my name..if I allowed education to make me become a jack ass...then the only thing I become is an educated jack ass....I hope that was simple enough to read.
Mine didn't have to tell me.
And yet should have.
Me eh trying to clown nobody but when big man come with dat kinda nonsense yuh does have to call dem out..
It eh no clowning scene, buh wha is de nonsense that you so feel you addressed?
Best I can figure, references to educated jackassness are rooted somewhere in a question as to one's humility. There may be more to it than that buh de expertise on that is not mine ... it appears to MEP's. NOW ... ah doh hadda geh into any ah dis, buh ah doing so because ah fine it kinda instructive on a number of levels. So as applied to me dahis kinda ah curiosity. Me eh know: in my lil cut ... broddas who I deal wid on a daily know what I stand for, buh most (well into 90%) if asked couldn't tell yuh NUTTEN about whether I have letters behind my name OR preceding it. Simple ting: cause dahis not how I move. Dahis NOT how I define myself or how I permit or encourage others to define me. Never has been, never will be. I grow up rank & file. I live rank & file and, on the basis of accumulated evidence, I will die advocating for de rank and file. Not as a matter of reflex, but as a matter of conscience where good conscience applies.
Moving along ... ah taking de opportunity to swing through de entire neighborhood like any good neighborhood watch ... some ah allyuh clearly ent belong in dis neighborhood ... So keep yuh skittles in yuh pocket and de popcorn handy!!!
Ah hear men on here talk bout internet badjohn. Ah hear men on here talking bout what I suppose equates to cyber alter egos ... such that several posters appear to be experts on sexual "preference". Since ah on here ah read a few announcements of invitations to duel in one capacity or another off forum in de real world. Ah gather (based on assertions presented) some men is lion behind dey keyboard but lamb outta road. Me eh know: Ah can only attest whais de seen fuh asylumseeker. Ah lacking priorities in dem areas ... BUT, without fear or favour, I call things francomeh as I see them ... who vex vex, who lorse lorse, and who seeking to avoid confrontation ... be reminded: doh start none, won't be none.
Dahis how I does move IN PERSON AND BEHIND MEH KEYBOARD!!!. Same speed, minimal reverb. And ... arguably, I'm no where as pleasant or diplomatic in person as I have been on the forum.
The record reflects that since I've been on here I have never used profanity to address anyone ( ... at least not yet???) Dahis me. We interacting on a forum ... de moderators democratic no arse ... free speech is de order of the day. Man gehhin cuss is commonplace, buh every poster hadda decide and come to terms wid his or her own barometer of civility. At the end of the day, every man is a simple man.
Because these are observational comments rather than judgments, ah hadda say dis too: in some ways de chief cussbuds are actually EXCELLENT arbiters of a conscience on de forum ... because when it might not be popular to do it, dey go leh yuh know yuh run afoul of protocol or matters that matter. Iz a give & take. Of course at times they have a verbal reach that would invite some to call dey mammy. Buh say wha ... on the road we are not immune to such assaults, and if the forum is a virtual microcosm of the real world ... ent it is what is is.
Anyway, dis ain't a SUPAesque tour de force ... iz merely tone-setting or ambient lighting or background music ... so lehwe move on.
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On this thread a poster remarked about the consistency of my posts. Kudos to him. Another observed that he thought comments were made to "impress and deride" ... Not so much. I've been posting under the same personal code from DAY ONE. I think by now attentive forumites understand my style and vibe. The furore germinated ("not ingeminate" :devil:) from the post I made on this thread is to marvel at ... Buh ah loving it because although it was created by the fingers of intended mischief, I think it set the platform to open up a few cans that needed opening ... some of which I addressed adequately in my initial response to my friend the mischief-maker ;)
In contribution to the furore, ah normally sober-minded MEP comes out de gate with the language quoted above. Ah doh mind de charge. It is de vacant conclusion that consumes my attention. HOW HE REACH DEY AND ON WHAT SENTIENT BASIS ME EH KNOW!!! [Pecan, dahis wuk fuh you dey :) ...]
MEP whose contributions on this very forum have included the words "quintessential", "nepotism", "acrimony", "supercilious", "hegemony", "angst" and "egregious" etc... jumps out the gate to malign a post gifted with a phrase bearing the following "complex" words ::)
typical
congressional
tolerance
polarized
polity
similar
egregious
manifest
presidential
Convoluted? Yes. Impenetrable? No.
Now ... dahis all right even at that ... had it stopped there! Where it becomes questionable is where the same poster decides to rush back through de same gate with de unsupported and unsupportable "when big man ... nonsense" static. Although I haven't received a precise definition or understanding of what constitutes "nonsense", iz clear to me that the poster took offense ... at what iz another thing. Buh ah go wuk wid what is available.
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Yuh want to talk about education? Well, lehme educate you about asylumseeker.
My maternal great-grandmother was the first black person (read: man or woman) in her community to own the land on which she lived. Behind the home, she used the acreage to plant sugarcane for sale to the plantation. I grew up witnessing her harvest the cane and saw the trucks come to load the yield. She also engaged in pastoral farming. I used to go with her to stake and unstake the livestock ... I was even known to bring them "home". My great-grandmother was a woman who din skin teet. She walked with a straight back, kicked back a nightcap of gin from time to time, and handled her affairs with poise, presence and pride. Men of her generation dealt with her as an equal.
My maternal grandmother (presently 85) is a humble woman who built on the platform my great-grandmother set. Neither woman possessed an excess of formal education because of the era into which she was born, but both were literate, mentally spry, extraordinarily imbued with common sense and possessed of high expectations. Growing up in a multi-generational household as the 4th generation when my father was reading for his degree ... I absorbed all the lessons available to me through observation, conversation, practice, error ... Go figure: in my post in response I stated " mine didn't have to tell me." Ah hope the fog and mist are clearing as to why ... I need render no comment with respect to the "And yet should have" ... Bakes appears to have silenced that irritant.
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My parents came through these humble households. I knew all of my grandparents and had the blessing/fortune of knowing 3 of my great-grandparents. I had one foot planted in the alleged middle-class through the thinnest of privilege and via my parents' educations rather than through coin. Because of social interactions ... to include where I went to school ... I managed to figure out a few things about how society was and is ordered. These interactions made up my REAL education. My REAL education was grounding with people in unfashionable parts of the country that were in some sectors habitually the butt of jokes. My REAL education was reasoning wid all kind of broddas and sisters about de various struggles dey was living. (ah love reading JC when allyuh rile him ... because he does peak with some historical remonstrations (is that word permissible?)
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I see this on FB and thought it was funny................so where yuh from?
(http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll314/Chunkycj/426813_10150674494246810_263294354_n-1.jpg)
I lived in de Bush. Depending on the day, my life triangulated around there, Fish and Drugs, and de now famous Industrial Dystopia. My people from ??-? ... Ah not asking a question eh ... ah telling allyuh dahis where dey from. Make it out on de map. ??-? iz located east of Papa Bois. 10° 49' 60N, 60° 57' 0W. So yeah, ??-?.
Lehwe continue ...
For an influential yet minor portion I lived west of MORDOR buh north of "Movietowne, Syrians and Overpriced Shit" (iz there I encountered de half-chinee that occasionally occupies TT's attention). From that location ah had reasonable access to Guns and Traffic. Nevertheless ... regardless of where I lived, my father made it a point to visit ??-? frequently ... because dahis de kind ah man he is ... proud of where he's from. He ensured - through practice - that that would not be lost on his offspring.
We used to get in de car and drive from Bush to ??-? ... leave earlier than ah outside man chooking a married woman, take forever to get there, and drive back the same night because he had professional obligations involving Tom, Dick, Harry and Joe Public. There was NO room in this equation to become desensitized in the manner that presumably some speculative "educated jackass" would become desensitized... however, such a paradoxical transformation is arrived at.
De temerity of some ppl (PECAN!!!! ... dictionary!!!) to venture into abstract conclusion informed by some perception that derision and making an impression are the order of the day. Clearly, it is here that the reach into educated jackassdom occurred. Above I referred to instances in which I could make authoritative contributions but opt not to ... well, here we have an instance in which I made an authoritative contribution in responding to the topic that was at hand. The direction it has taken is entertaining.
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I waited a lil bit to let this thread evolve naturally before responding to this degree. Buh, kudos to Bakes for handling the issue of the PM because apparently a couple ah allyuh have inconveniently lost your damn minds. His treatment of the matter was ON POINT:
It's baffling to me how men only contributions to the thread is to come and bitch about ah man vocabulary. I largely agree with the substance (though not the 'style') of MEP's post... sometimes lawd knows I does want to break out mih red pencil. Some of the personal attacks, on something that don't even concern them... just kinda eye-opening fuh me. Maybe Asylumseeker onto something with he 'toting feelings' talk.
Noted, but as you may tell it was purposely done as a direct pronouncement would have led to confrontation. I don't have anything against truetrini as I think he is someone we can learn from. However, I think the tenor and tone of his statement was to impress and deride. If indeed it were meant for you then I'm sure a pm would have sufficed.
I think yuh mean Asylumseeker... and I don't think he said his post was "meant" for me as much as in addressing me primarily he used language that he knew I would be conversant with. Put another way, if I know you's a structural engineer and directing something to you specifically, but contributing in an arena where others are active, there is nothing wrong with me using an engineer's vocabulary to communicate my message to you. If others happen to catch on and want to respond then they welcome, but I mainly want to make my point to you. I don't think there's anything in this imaginary internet protocol we citing that says a pm is necessary. But that's just my take.
People amusing, oui. Yuh ever go a Twelve Tribes dance? Yuh ever ... look eh! Oy sah. De places I have immersed myself in ... ah not too sure who amongst us would or could survive in fuh even an hour.
Which brings me to this ...
Ah man ask about my ability to "reason" wid de fairer sex ... so lehme leave no stone unturned. Although I have discriminating tastes, I have never discriminated in who I choose to deal wid on the basis of where dey living or if dey have ah alphabet soup behind dey name ... yuh know what de gauge is? How de umman carries herself and how she flexes her natural mind and whether she is inclined to expand its boundaries via a natural curiosity ... pretty face alone doh hold man again, right? Buh prepping around in some Ballys wid a rag in meh back pocket and a Kangol tilted just rightly reaps amazing results ::) Wha allyuh really feel it is at all? Yuh ever board a ting in a country fete? Goddesses from all rungs on the socio-economic ladder, yes. Men gehhin tie up wid de difference between de written word and the spoken word. Since the written word is the operational language on de forum this is an entirely different flex.
My name is asylumseeker and I endorse this message.
At de end of the day, here's de key question. Do you know who you are and where you stand in the struggle? I know.
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I knew all of my grandparents and had the blessing/fortune of knowing 3 of my great-grandparents.
Be grateful fuh dat... dat is a blessing that few among us can claim :beermug:
Incidentally, my mother's people (and hence, my people) from ?? ? as well, with branches in "Bush", once my grandfather decided to leave Toco to go back to Moruga.
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oooooooooooooh guuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuudd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
nah boy,,some ah allyuh men does prove writers block is a myth oui
Anyway seeker, stick to the upgraded verbage..it more difficult for me to translate the trini to standard english and then have to decipher wuh you sayin
I radder do just one set of decipherin
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My name is asylumseeker and I endorse this message.
At de end of the day, here's de key question. Do you know who you are and where you stand in the struggle? I know.
whey boy, dat was some serious writing, sprinkled with a modicum (well maybe more than that) of humor to take the edge off. Nice ...
The answer to your final question: 42
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my grandmother ....lawd bless her soul....told me that no matter how many letters I get behind my name..if I allowed education to make me become a jack ass...then the only thing I become is an educated jack ass....I hope that was simple enough to read.
Mine didn't have to tell me.
And yet should have.
Me eh trying to clown nobody but when big man come with dat kinda nonsense yuh does have to call dem out..
It eh no clowning scene, buh wha is de nonsense that you so feel you addressed?
Best I can figure, references to educated jackassness are rooted somewhere in a question as to one's humility. There may be more to it than that buh de expertise on that is not mine ... it appears to MEP's. NOW ... ah doh hadda geh into any ah dis, buh ah doing so because ah fine it kinda instructive on a number of levels. So as applied to me dahis kinda ah curiosity. Me eh know: in my lil cut ... broddas who I deal wid on a daily know what I stand for, buh most (well into 90%) if asked couldn't tell yuh NUTTEN about whether I have letters behind my name OR preceding it. Simple ting: cause dahis not how I move. Dahis NOT how I define myself or how I permit or encourage others to define me. Never has been, never will be. I grow up rank & file. I live rank & file and, on the basis of accumulated evidence, I will die advocating for de rank and file. Not as a matter of reflex, but as a matter of conscience where good conscience applies.
Moving along ... ah taking de opportunity to swing through de entire neighborhood like any good neighborhood watch ... some ah allyuh clearly ent belong in dis neighborhood ... So keep yuh skittles in yuh pocket and de popcorn handy!!!
Ah hear men on here talk bout internet badjohn. Ah hear men on here talking bout what I suppose equates to cyber alter egos ... such that several posters appear to be experts on sexual "preference". Since ah on here ah read a few announcements of invitations to duel in one capacity or another off forum in de real world. Ah gather (based on assertions presented) some men is lion behind dey keyboard but lamb outta road. Me eh know: Ah can only attest whais de seen fuh asylumseeker. Ah lacking priorities in dem areas ... BUT, without fear or favour, I call things francomeh as I see them ... who vex vex, who lorse lorse, and who seeking to avoid confrontation ... be reminded: doh start none, won't be none.
Dahis how I does move IN PERSON AND BEHIND MEH KEYBOARD!!!. Same speed, minimal reverb. And ... arguably, I'm no where as pleasant or diplomatic in person as I have been on the forum.
The record reflects that since I've been on here I have never used profanity to address anyone ( ... at least not yet???) Dahis me. We interacting on a forum ... de moderators democratic no arse ... free speech is de order of the day. Man gehhin cuss is commonplace, buh every poster hadda decide and come to terms wid his or her own barometer of civility. At the end of the day, every man is a simple man.
Because these are observational comments rather than judgments, ah hadda say dis too: in some ways de chief cussbuds are actually EXCELLENT arbiters of a conscience on de forum ... because when it might not be popular to do it, dey go leh yuh know yuh run afoul of protocol or matters that matter. Iz a give & take. Of course at times they have a verbal reach that would invite some to call dey mammy. Buh say wha ... on the road we are not immune to such assaults, and if the forum is a virtual microcosm of the real world ... ent it is what is is.
Anyway, dis ain't a SUPAesque tour de force ... iz merely tone-setting or ambient lighting or background music ... so lehwe move on.
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On this thread a poster remarked about the consistency of my posts. Kudos to him. Another observed that he thought comments were made to "impress and deride" ... Not so much. I've been posting under the same personal code from DAY ONE. I think by now attentive forumites understand my style and vibe. The furore germinated ("not ingeminate" :devil:) from the post I made on this thread is to marvel at ... Buh ah loving it because although it was created by the fingers of intended mischief, I think it set the platform to open up a few cans that needed opening ... some of which I addressed adequately in my initial response to my friend the mischief-maker ;)
In contribution to the furore, ah normally sober-minded MEP comes out de gate with the language quoted above. Ah doh mind de charge. It is de vacant conclusion that consumes my attention. HOW HE REACH DEY AND ON WHAT SENTIENT BASIS ME EH KNOW!!! [Pecan, dahis wuk fuh you dey :) ...]
MEP whose contributions on this very forum have included the words "quintessential", "nepotism", "acrimony", "supercilious", "hegemony", "angst" and "egregious" etc... jumps out the gate to malign a post gifted with a phrase bearing the following "complex" words ::)
typical
congressional
tolerance
polarized
polity
similar
egregious
manifest
presidential
Convoluted? Yes. Impenetrable? No.
Now ... dahis all right even at that ... had it stopped there! Where it becomes questionable is where the same poster decides to rush back through de same gate with de unsupported and unsupportable "when big man ... nonsense" static. Although I haven't received a precise definition or understanding of what constitutes "nonsense", iz clear to me that the poster took offense ... at what iz another thing. Buh ah go wuk wid what is available.
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Yuh want to talk about education? Well, lehme educate you about asylumseeker.
My maternal great-grandmother was the first black person (read: man or woman) in her community to own the land on which she lived. Behind the home, she used the acreage to plant sugarcane for sale to the plantation. I grew up witnessing her harvest the cane and saw the trucks come to load the yield. She also engaged in pastoral farming. I used to go with her to stake and unstake the livestock ... I was even known to bring them "home". My great-grandmother was a woman who din skin teet. She walked with a straight back, kicked back a nightcap of gin from time to time, and handled her affairs with poise, presence and pride. Men of her generation dealt with her as an equal.
My maternal grandmother (presently 85) is a humble woman who built on the platform my great-grandmother set. Neither woman possessed an excess of formal education because of the era into which she was born, but both were literate, mentally spry, extraordinarily imbued with common sense and possessed of high expectations. Growing up in a multi-generational household as the 4th generation when my father was reading for his degree ... I absorbed all the lessons available to me through observation, conversation, practice, error ... Go figure: in my post in response I stated " mine didn't have to tell me." Ah hope the fog and mist are clearing as to why ... I need render no comment with respect to the "And yet should have" ... Bakes appears to have silenced that irritant.
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My parents came through these humble households. I knew all of my grandparents and had the blessing/fortune of knowing 3 of my great-grandparents. I had one foot planted in the alleged middle-class through the thinnest of privilege and via my parents' educations rather than through coin. Because of social interactions ... to include where I went to school ... I managed to figure out a few things about how society was and is ordered. These interactions made up my REAL education. My REAL education was grounding with people in unfashionable parts of the country that were in some sectors habitually the butt of jokes. My REAL education was reasoning wid all kind of broddas and sisters about de various struggles dey was living. (ah love reading JC when allyuh rile him ... because he does peak with some historical remonstrations (is that word permissible?)
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I see this on FB and thought it was funny................so where yuh from?
(http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll314/Chunkycj/426813_10150674494246810_263294354_n-1.jpg)
I lived in de Bush. Depending on the day, my life triangulated around there, Fish and Drugs, and de now famous Industrial Dystopia. My people from ??-? ... Ah not asking a question eh ... ah telling allyuh dahis where dey from. Make it out on de map. ??-? iz located east of Papa Bois. 10° 49' 60N, 60° 57' 0W. So yeah, ??-?.
Lehwe continue ...
For an influential yet minor portion I lived west of MORDOR buh north of "Movietowne, Syrians and Overpriced Shit" (iz there I encountered de half-chinee that occasionally occupies TT's attention). From that location ah had reasonable access to Guns and Traffic. Nevertheless ... regardless of where I lived, my father made it a point to visit ??-? frequently ... because dahis de kind ah man he is ... proud of where he's from. He ensured - through practice - that that would not be lost on his offspring.
We used to get in de car and drive from Bush to ??-? ... leave earlier than ah outside man chooking a married woman, take forever to get there, and drive back the same night because he had professional obligations involving Tom, Dick, Harry and Joe Public. There was NO room in this equation to become desensitized in the manner that presumably some speculative "educated jackass" would become desensitized... however, such a paradoxical transformation is arrived at.
De temerity of some ppl (PECAN!!!! ... dictionary!!!) to venture into abstract conclusion informed by some perception that derision and making an impression are the order of the day. Clearly, it is here that the reach into educated jackassdom occurred. Above I referred to instances in which I could make authoritative contributions but opt not to ... well, here we have an instance in which I made an authoritative contribution in responding to the topic that was at hand. The direction it has taken is entertaining.
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I waited a lil bit to let this thread evolve naturally before responding to this degree. Buh, kudos to Bakes for handling the issue of the PM because apparently a couple ah allyuh have inconveniently lost your damn minds. His treatment of the matter was ON POINT:
It's baffling to me how men only contributions to the thread is to come and bitch about ah man vocabulary. I largely agree with the substance (though not the 'style') of MEP's post... sometimes lawd knows I does want to break out mih red pencil. Some of the personal attacks, on something that don't even concern them... just kinda eye-opening fuh me. Maybe Asylumseeker onto something with he 'toting feelings' talk.
Noted, but as you may tell it was purposely done as a direct pronouncement would have led to confrontation. I don't have anything against truetrini as I think he is someone we can learn from. However, I think the tenor and tone of his statement was to impress and deride. If indeed it were meant for you then I'm sure a pm would have sufficed.
I think yuh mean Asylumseeker... and I don't think he said his post was "meant" for me as much as in addressing me primarily he used language that he knew I would be conversant with. Put another way, if I know you's a structural engineer and directing something to you specifically, but contributing in an arena where others are active, there is nothing wrong with me using an engineer's vocabulary to communicate my message to you. If others happen to catch on and want to respond then they welcome, but I mainly want to make my point to you. I don't think there's anything in this imaginary internet protocol we citing that says a pm is necessary. But that's just my take.
People amusing, oui. Yuh ever go a Twelve Tribes dance? Yuh ever ... look eh! Oy sah. De places I have immersed myself in ... ah not too sure who amongst us would or could survive in fuh even an hour.
Which brings me to this ...
Ah man ask about my ability to "reason" wid de fairer sex ... so lehme leave no stone unturned. Although I have discriminating tastes, I have never discriminated in who I choose to deal wid on the basis of where dey living or if dey have ah alphabet soup behind dey name ... yuh know what de gauge is? How de umman carries herself and how she flexes her natural mind and whether she is inclined to expand its boundaries via a natural curiosity ... pretty face alone doh hold man again, right? Buh prepping around in some Ballys wid a rag in meh back pocket and a Kangol tilted just rightly reaps amazing results ::) Wha allyuh really feel it is at all? Yuh ever board a ting in a country fete? Goddesses from all rungs on the socio-economic ladder, yes. Men gehhin tie up wid de difference between de written word and the spoken word. Since the written word is the operational language on de forum this is an entirely different flex.
My name is asylumseeker and I endorse this message.
At de end of the day, here's de key question. Do you know who you are and where you stand in the struggle? I know.
That is the damn ting right dey! How would you handle yourself if nobody was watching or could not see yuh? That is always the question; are you the same or are you an undercover brotha/sista. Unfortunately some people dos get cyber muscles and be what they can't be or are not when interacting with others in person. I believe in being who you really are and owning it!
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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hehehehehehehehehe hohohohoho hahahahahahaha
I have to agree with Dutty doh, stick to one kinda verbiage...I prefer de upgraded one in reality, as It does force me to break out my dictionary and upgrade my vocabulary.
Thanks much.
lol ;)
Trouble makers abound rong here...Bakes is de wuss trouble maker....lol
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nice read seeker very nice read...........when I say someting I does generally mean what I say and my mode on d internet is generally my mode in real life....quietly observant to straight blunt.............subtlety is simply not ah function of mih design, when ah try it ah does fail...miserably......so what yuh get here is generally is what yuh will get in person.........I dont mind meetin anybody here in d flesh even people ah cuss.......ah jess ent go plaster pictures ah mihself on the internet never liked it..........d "scowly" eyes in mih footer is about d only visual trace ah me in cyberspace
true trini SC comment ketch mih doh, ah couldn't not laff, but ah meant no affront................... u be u dread .......anyways nice read
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nice read seeker very nice read...........when I say someting I does generally mean what I say and my mode on d internet is generally my mode in real life....quietly observant to straight blunt.............subtlety is simply not ah function of mih design, when ah try it ah does fail...miserably......so what yuh get here is generally is what yuh will get in person.........I dont mind meetin anybody here in d flesh even people ah cuss.......ah jess ent go plaster pictures ah mihself on the internet never liked it..........d "scowly" eyes in mih footer is about d only visual trace ah me in cyberspace
true trini SC comment ketch mih doh, ah couldn't not laff, but ah meant no affront................... u be u dread .......anyways nice read
lefty, leh me ask yuh something please.
what comment I make ketch yuh? I am not a comedian, I am a serious commentator on all things TRINI!
Allyuh does rile up man like seeker, and then say is on my instigation.
I not on dat.
By de way, did you find the federal judge to be guilty of racism? ;)
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asylumseeker, I like you, even when I was cutting your ass in debates about the housing market way back in 2006 (?) or is it 07?
But reading what you write reminds me of being back in my A Level English Literature class when I was studying Hardy.
In other words it can be very muddy reading.
You does talk like this everyday? I mean in conversations with everyday, run of the mill people not associated with this board?
e.g. typical congressional tolerance even in similar conditions of a polarized polity and the lack of similarly egregious conduct even in the face of manifest presidential intransigence
I does be scrambling for a dictionary every time I have to read your posts so I can make sense of them. How dem half chinee does understand you?
um dat one and is not as much what yuh write as much as how yuh write it.............and beyond laughin at dat, I made no comment about seeker's post......is does drop some 4/5 syllables mihself when ah ready so dat was no scene to me
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lefty I on kicks breds...lol I know exactly what I did and why you laffed,,,lol
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cool cool :beermug:
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wow, attentionseeker, yuh could real miss de simplest of points. instead of writing a novel, yuh coulda just read MEP post a few more times and give yuh brain sphincter a little pause before de diarrhea start back. yuh prove MEP point in spades.
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If simplicity and complexity were neighbours, you would live across town.
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If simplicity and complexity were neighbours, you would live across town.
dais ah piece ah heights right dey.
Ways...!
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If simplicity and complexity were neighbours, you would live across town.
dais ah piece ah heights right dey.
Ways...!
Yuhs ah real fackin devil yes. ah mean advocate. ;D
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If simplicity and complexity were neighbours, you would live across town.
dais ah piece ah heights right dey.
Ways...!
Yuhs ah real fackin devil yes. ah mean advocate. ;D
Not at all. I throw my corn..me nah call no fowl.
So if yuh hearing cluck, cluck cluck......
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If simplicity and complexity were neighbours, you would live across town.
dais ah piece ah heights right dey.
Ways...!
:rotfl: :rotfl: that, and relativity, tell me everything about de level you and attentionseeker at. like an ant gazing up at a midget.
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If simplicity and complexity were neighbours, you would live across town.
dais ah piece ah heights right dey.
Ways...!
:rotfl: :rotfl: that, and relativity, tell me everything about de level you and attentionseeker at. like an ant gazing up at a midget.
You have to comment on everything, criticize everything.
You just like the conscientious Canadian critic who has a subscription to the New York Times so that he knows first hand what his opinion should be.
May your soul rest in eternal piss.
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If simplicity and complexity were neighbours, you would live across town.
dais ah piece ah heights right dey.
Ways...!
:rotfl: :rotfl: that, and relativity, tell me everything about de level you and attentionseeker at. like an ant gazing up at a midget.
You have to comment on everything, criticize everything.
You just like the conscientious Canadian critic who has a subscription to the New York Times so that he knows first hand what his opinion should be.
May your soul rest in eternal piss.
tt, just to break it down for you further - you is de ant. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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If simplicity and complexity were neighbours, you would live across town.
dais ah piece ah heights right dey.
Ways...!
:rotfl: :rotfl: that, and relativity, tell me everything about de level you and attentionseeker at. like an ant gazing up at a midget.
You have to comment on everything, criticize everything.
You just like the conscientious Canadian critic who has a subscription to the New York Times so that he knows first hand what his opinion should be.
May your soul rest in eternal piss.
tt, just to break it down for you further - you is de ant. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Just to break it down to you, I don't care what you think, nor do the majority here.
I may be an ant, but from your thoughts anyone , even an ant, can see that you are nothing but a repast for a dung beetle.
BTW. that was some serious heights as rest on you.
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If simplicity and complexity were neighbours, you would live across town.
dais ah piece ah heights right dey.
Ways...!
:rotfl: :rotfl: that, and relativity, tell me everything about de level you and attentionseeker at. like an ant gazing up at a midget.
You have to comment on everything, criticize everything.
You just like the conscientious Canadian critic who has a subscription to the New York Times so that he knows first hand what his opinion should be.
May your soul rest in eternal piss.
tt, just to break it down for you further - you is de ant. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Just to break it down to you, I don't care what you think, nor do the majority here.
I may be an ant, but from your thoughts anyone , even an ant, can see that you are nothing but a repast for a dung beetle.
BTW. that was some serious heights as rest on you.
if only attentionseeker had your brevity. :yawning:
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If only you had more than one neuron...that functioned.
Truth be told, you make some interesting points sometimes, but most times you have five sides on every issue, yuh like de Pentagon.
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“Don’t Re-Nig” purveyor Paula Smith says bumper sticker isn’t racist (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/don-t-nig-purveyor-paula-smith-says-bumper-185405237.html)
By Eric Pfeiffer
Last Friday, I wrote about the racist, anti-Obama "Don't Re-Nig in 2012" bumper sticker that has been making the rounds across social media circles. While people were questioning the authenticity of the photograph showing the bumper sticker on someone's car, we were able to track down a website selling the sticker along with several other controversial items.
Writing for Forbes, Roger Friedman interviews the site's owner, Paula Smith. Ms. Smith, who hails from Hinesville, Georgia, insists that neither she nor the sticker are racist. Who knows what Smith really believes, but her logic is a stretch, to put it gently.
"I do find it amazing and entertaining that one of our stickers has become a racist thing," Ms. Smith told Forbes.
She even tried arguing that the dictionary does not define the "N-Word" as racist. Wisely, Friedman posted the actual definition from dictionary.com, which says the word, "is now probably the most offensive word in English. Its degree of offensiveness has increased markedly in recent years, although it has been used in a derogatory manner since at least the Revolutionary War. Definitions 1a, 1b, and 2 represent meanings that are deeply disparaging and are used when the speaker deliberately wishes to cause great offense."
Her protestations aside, Ms. Smith appears to have removed the bumper sticker from her site. Under the "Anti-Obama" section of the site (advertised as her No. 3 bestseller), you'll now only find a sticker reading, "I was Anti-Obama Before It Was Cool."
In what may be a reference to the controversy her other bumper sticker has caused, the description below reads, "Show the world how you feel! (but be careful, you may hurt someone's feelings)."
Ms. Smith then goes on to argue that President Obama is "not even black," but rather, "a mixture of race." When Friedman asks Smith if she thinks the N-Word is offensive or derogatory, she says no, but then claims that she herself does not even use the word.
"I have kids here around me that are black kids. I call them my own kids. I've helped black families…to guide them in the right direction," Smith told Forbes. "We like to laugh and have a good time. That's our way of life."
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“Don’t Re-Nig” purveyor Paula Smith says bumper sticker isn’t racist (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/don-t-nig-purveyor-paula-smith-says-bumper-185405237.html)
By Eric Pfeiffer
Last Friday, I wrote about the racist, anti-Obama "Don't Re-Nig in 2012" bumper sticker that has been making the rounds across social media circles. While people were questioning the authenticity of the photograph showing the bumper sticker on someone's car, we were able to track down a website selling the sticker along with several other controversial items.
Writing for Forbes, Roger Friedman interviews the site's owner, Paula Smith. Ms. Smith, who hails from Hinesville, Georgia, insists that neither she nor the sticker are racist. Who knows what Smith really believes, but her logic is a stretch, to put it gently.
"I do find it amazing and entertaining that one of our stickers has become a racist thing," Ms. Smith told Forbes.
She even tried arguing that the dictionary does not define the "N-Word" as racist. Wisely, Friedman posted the actual definition from dictionary.com, which says the word, "is now probably the most offensive word in English. Its degree of offensiveness has increased markedly in recent years, although it has been used in a derogatory manner since at least the Revolutionary War. Definitions 1a, 1b, and 2 represent meanings that are deeply disparaging and are used when the speaker deliberately wishes to cause great offense."
Her protestations aside, Ms. Smith appears to have removed the bumper sticker from her site. Under the "Anti-Obama" section of the site (advertised as her No. 3 bestseller), you'll now only find a sticker reading, "I was Anti-Obama Before It Was Cool."
In what may be a reference to the controversy her other bumper sticker has caused, the description below reads, "Show the world how you feel! (but be careful, you may hurt someone's feelings)."
Ms. Smith then goes on to argue that President Obama is "not even black," but rather, "a mixture of race." When Friedman asks Smith if she thinks the N-Word is offensive or derogatory, she says no, but then claims that she herself does not even use the word.
"I have kids here around me that are black kids. I call them my own kids. I've helped black families…to guide them in the right direction," Smith told Forbes. "We like to laugh and have a good time. That's our way of life."
She just provided an example of DENIAL-Don't even know I am lying!
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"...I knew all of my grandparents and had the blessing/fortune of knowing 3 of my great-grandparents...."
'Seeker, I read this and thought to myself, "dat is one lucky fella boy!" Refreshing to read of such blessings and even more refreshing to see a man raised wise enough to appreciate them. Dat piece yuh write dey was pure entertainment from start to finish and so damned TRUE! :beermug: