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Title: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: Controversial on March 28, 2012, 04:36:56 PM
I would define it as a bitter sweet occasion for our football because it not only serves as a slap in the face  for the incompetent governing football board but also "The HERD" aka Pretenders that masquerade on sw.net mamaguying and pretending to know the game and business of football.

It was not that long ago that we saw numerous members of "The HERD" exhibit traits of "Narcissistic Personality Disorder". It was obvious that they had to create a diversion and falsely accuse a contemporary Western Philosopher of misogynistic behavior to divert the masses from their hypocritical statements. Their continuous Delusions of Grandeur have misled many of the football faithful and have contributed to the destruction of what was once a strong football community. In saying so, it is no mystery that many will say that for them, T&T football has died a long time ago.

We have seen the naysayers supporting the Harford regime over true supporters, to be later dismissed and branded as irrelevant to T&T Football. They learned the hard way, they also learned that the players are also to blame for the current state of our football. They have neglected their duty to their nation and their fellow brother. You cannot stand against an enemy divided or you surely will fall.

In referring to the current debacle of T&T football, the phrase "fool's gold" comes to mind. It is borderline madness that the masses entrusted our youths to a coach who has stated previously that his people is afraid of "foreigners" and "rain". Deductive reasoning would tell you that insecure statements as the one mentioned previously can only lead to one thing, "failure".

If we were to compare, a Head Coach in football is similar to that of a Military General who marshals his troops into battle. Which General would you support? It is evident that many on here are indeed clueless and misguided and have chosen to follow, rather than lead.

The writing is on the wall for all of the REAL T&T football lovers to see, the question is, will you open your eyes and see the true leaders of the future, not only for football but every other aspect of T&T society.

It is time for the football revolution to begin, a fresh start is the only answer, the age old question will be, who will lead it and who will stand by and watch silently. 
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: palos on March 28, 2012, 06:33:20 PM
You later than a ho off de pill
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: D.H.W on March 28, 2012, 06:34:27 PM
behehahahahaa
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: truetrini on March 28, 2012, 06:43:08 PM

I would define it as a bitter sweet occasion for our football because it not only serves as a slap in the face  for the incompetent governing football board but also "The HERD" aka Pretenders that masquerade on sw.net mamaguying and pretending to know the game and business of football.

Exactly what are you talking about that is bittersweet as it pertains to our football?  And what is this slap you speak of?  Are you referring to our exit from Olympic qualifying?  If so, what is bittersweet about that?  Are you reveling in our exit in some sort of I told you so moment?

It was not that long ago that we saw numerous members of "The HERD" exhibit traits of "Narcissistic Personality Disorder". It was obvious that they had to create a diversion and falsely accuse a contemporary Western Philosopher of misogynistic behavior to divert the masses from their hypocritical statements.

Please, if you may, identify this contemporary Western Philosopher you say has been maligned and falsely accused?  And misogynistic behaviors to divert masses from hypocritical statements?  Please elaborate!   I want to understand what you are trying to say...seriously, and with respect.      

Their continuous Delusions of Grandeur have misled many of the football faithful and have contributed to the destruction of what was once a strong football community. In saying so, it is no mystery that many will say that for them, T&T football has died a long time ago.

????????  Help me here please.  When did this demise occur?


We have seen the naysayers supporting the Harford regime over true supporters, to be later dismissed and branded as irrelevant to T&T Football. They learned the hard way, they also learned that the players are also to blame for the current state of our football. They have neglected their duty to their nation and their fellow brother. You cannot stand against an enemy divided or you surely will fall.

Are the naysayers the same as the Herd?   And exactly how did the players neglect their duty to nation and their fellow brother?  Expound!

In referring to the current debacle of T&T football, the phrase "fool's gold" comes to mind. It is borderline madness that the masses entrusted our youths to a coach who has stated previously that his people is afraid of "foreigners" and "rain". Deductive reasoning would tell you that insecure statements as the one mentioned previously can only lead to one thing, "failure".

I judge those statement by Eve to be proud and secure, not insecure.   And which "masses" decided on who was to coach?  Seeing that we have no money to properly administer football, and seeing that the TTFF is in a state of rebuilding (in my opinion it is better off now than under the past cabal led by Jack Warner, who will soon raise again by the way), where did you expect them to get the money to hire a better coach?


If we were to compare, a Head Coach in football is similar to that of a Military General who marshals his troops into battle. Which General would you support? It is evident that many on here are indeed clueless and misguided and have chosen to follow, rather than lead.

I am confused at what you are trying to say here about Military Generals and troops etc.  Can you make it less opaque.  Who on here are clueless, misguided followers?  This is a fan board with differing opinions and commentaries, no one here is pushing to lead T&T football!  We ask for better leadership and accountability.   To call us followers is correct, we are football followers, not clueless and misguided, just passionate as you seem to be.


The writing is on the wall for all of the REAL T&T football lovers to see, the question is, will you open your eyes and see the true leaders of the future, not only for football but every other aspect of T&T society.

Tell us who the true leaders are.  I am always looking for them, and not just in football, but in every aspect of T&T society.  So lead ME, not necessarily everyone else to those/these leaders of which you speak...again I am being very genuine and not confrontational. 

It is time for the football revolution to begin, a fresh start is the only answer, the age old question will be, who will lead it and who will stand by and watch silently. 

I am all for revolution, will you lead from Toronto?   There seems to be a semi fresh start in TTFF as far as I am concerned, it cannot be as bad as when Jack Warner and Ollie Camps were in charge, Harford seems like he is genuine, if you have info that can persuade me otherwise I welcome it

Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: Jah Gol on March 28, 2012, 06:49:38 PM
What's happening here ?
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: Brownsugar on March 28, 2012, 06:57:44 PM
 :yawning: :yawning:
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: asylumseeker on March 28, 2012, 07:01:08 PM
What's happening here ?

TT ringing de doorbell to see if anybody home.
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: weary1969 on March 28, 2012, 07:10:43 PM
What's happening here ?

TT ringing de doorbell to see if anybody home.

TI but we sure d lights on and nobody's home.
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: Big Magician on March 28, 2012, 07:20:37 PM
what a f#cking cu#thole..... you deserve a good hard F#CK....stupid cyat
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: grskywalker on March 28, 2012, 07:23:25 PM
going to  rile allyuh up

TIME TO BRING IN AN AMERICAN COACHING STAFF. I HAVE SAID THIS MANY TIMES. TIME TO LEARN FROM THE TEAM  WE CANNOT SEEM TO BEAT
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: D.H.W on March 28, 2012, 07:33:05 PM
going to  rile allyuh up

TIME TO BRING IN AN AMERICAN COACHING STAFF. I HAVE SAID THIS MANY TIMES. TIME TO LEARN FROM THE TEAM  WE CANNOT SEEM TO BEAT


Me aint going to get rile up, their system is one of the best in Concacaf , even a hater can see that
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: ProudTrinbagonian on March 28, 2012, 07:40:22 PM
2006 was a tease....it raised our hopes for one short period
sad to say our football has been dead for a loooong time

our players lazy. plain and simple. federation to blame? coach to blame?  we still searching for a brand of football..well we have one...lazy man brand.

Is not the coach cuz different coaches getting the same results for years now. 
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: D.H.W on March 28, 2012, 08:08:25 PM
Clean house and start over with a proper plan , even if it means getting outside help. Wishful thinking , them fellas just like to waste tax payer money.
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: Controversial on March 28, 2012, 08:19:29 PM
Exactly what are you talking about that is bittersweet as it pertains to our football?  And what is this slap you speak of?  Are you referring to our exit from Olympic qualifying?  If so, what is bittersweet about that?  Are you reveling in our exit in some sort of I told you so moment?

Young Padawan, The HERD believed this to be a fresh start and improvement from the JW era, but they were soon awakened from their slumber with a dose of reality. It is sad to see TT football fall so far from grace but great in that the pretenders will finally come to their senses and maybe, the football community. However, my hopes are not high and we know that we are dealing with an ignorant community that feels they know everything.

Please, if you may, identify this contemporary Western Philosopher you say has been maligned and falsely accused?  And misogynistic behaviors to divert masses from hypocritical statements?  Please elaborate!   I want to understand what you are trying to say...seriously, and with respect.       

From what I recollect, there is a search button on this forum, I believe you are able enough to use it and the references to The HERD will reveal and help you understand.

??  Help me here please.  When did this demise occur?

Once again, please use the search button and the posts regarding The HERD...

Are the naysayers the same as the Herd?   And exactly how did the players neglect their duty to nation and their fellow brother?  Expound!

You have always asserted to us on the board, that you are a well read individual, as Bake and Shark has also claimed in many instances, I doubt it is hard to make an educated guess. If you are unaware of FPATT and their lack thereof, maybe now is the time to educate yourself about the situation, as well as player comments that have not only expressed their lack of commitment but lack of patriotism.

I judge those statement by Eve to be proud and secure, not insecure.   And which "masses" decided on who was to coach?  Seeing that we have no money to properly administer football, and seeing that the TTFF is in a state of rebuilding (in my opinion it is better off now than under the past cabal led by Jack Warner, who will soon raise again by the way), where did you expect them to get the money to hire a better coach?

We agree to disagree...

I am confused at what you are trying to say here about Military Generals and troops etc.  Can you make it less opaque.  Who on here are clueless, misguided followers?  This is a fan board with differing opinions and commentaries, no one here is pushing to lead T&T football!  We ask for better leadership and accountability.   To call us followers is correct, we are football followers, not clueless and misguided, just passionate as you seem to be.

Football is a strategic sport, on the pitch our team fights a battle against our opponent. I didn't know this thread hit home with you, are you taking this is a personal attack?

Tell us who the true leaders are.  I am always looking for them, and not just in football, but in every aspect of T&T society.  So lead ME, not necessarily everyone else to those/these leaders of which you speak...again I am being very genuine and not confrontational. 

T&T society on the whole are not ready for the leaders I speak of, their continual ignorance will lead them to nowhere, as we are seeing currently.

I am all for revolution, will you lead from Toronto?   There seems to be a semi fresh start in TTFF as far as I am concerned, it cannot be as bad as when Jack Warner and Ollie Camps were in charge, Harford seems like he is genuine, if you have info that can persuade me otherwise I welcome it

Once again Padawan, please read in detail before you make these type of statements. Harford and many others have shown their true colours. BTW who said I will lead from Toronto and if I was throwing my name in the hat?









 
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: OutsideMan on March 28, 2012, 08:23:58 PM
've been reading a lot of these posts on various topics, but haven't really said anything.  Anyway, I'll say something that I've been saying about T&T football for over 20 years:

We have absolutely no football IQ and common sense when we play the game.  When attacking, our gays always seek to make a direct pass to a teammate, instead of looking to pass the ball (usually diagonally) to the space where the 'receiver' would run into to gather the pass.  As such, most of our school-boy intercol standard direct pass attempts are typically easily intercepted by the opposing teams's defense.

Problem is, we have world class talented players with no idea of playing world class tactical football.  Our tactics and eye for the game when playing at these international competitions, are still at the high school level. 

Shame is, with just a few minor tweaks to the way we approach our passing (among other minor tweaks), we can then become a real threat to other teams besides St. Lucia.  Although we should, we actually don't necessarily need a wholesale change of players or coaching personel.  Just a few minor tweaks to teach players to run into the spaces...for passers to pass the ball into those 'empty' spaces...for our goal-keepers to cease and desist from the long booted kicks which typically leads to counter attacks by the opposition.

Anyhows, there's obviously more, but that's just  $.02   :-)   
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: truetrini on March 28, 2012, 08:41:31 PM
Exactly what are you talking about that is bittersweet as it pertains to our football?  And what is this slap you speak of?  Are you referring to our exit from Olympic qualifying?  If so, what is bittersweet about that?  Are you reveling in our exit in some sort of I told you so moment?

Young Padawan, The HERD believed this to be a fresh start and improvement from the JW era, but they were soon awakened from their slumber with a dose of reality. It is sad to see TT football fall so far from grace but great in that the pretenders will finally come to their senses and maybe, the football community. However, my hopes are not high and we know that we are dealing with an ignorant community that feels they know everything.

I KNOW that this is a new era..isn't that obvious to you?  No one claimed any such improvement, there is hope though!  get your story straight!  Things cannot get any worse than under Jack Warner and Ollie Camps, not by a long shot!!!

Please, if you may, identify this contemporary Western Philosopher you say has been maligned and falsely accused?  And misogynistic behaviors to divert masses from hypocritical statements?  Please elaborate!   I want to understand what you are trying to say...seriously, and with respect.       

From what I recollect, there is a search button on this forum, I believe you are able enough to use it and the references to The HERD will reveal and help you understand.


I am not going to search to find some mysterious western philosopher who was disparaged and accused of misogynistic behavior.  (Do you know what misogynistic means??)


??  Help me here please.  When did this demise occur?

Once again, please use the search button and the posts regarding The HERD...

Are the naysayers the same as the Herd?   And exactly how did the players neglect their duty to nation and their fellow brother?  Expound!

You have always asserted to us on the board, that you are a well read individual, as Bake and Shark has also claimed in many instances, I doubt it is hard to make an educated guess. If you are unaware of FPATT and their lack thereof, maybe now is the time to educate yourself about the situation, as well as player comments that have not only expressed their lack of commitment but lack of patriotism.

FPATT betrayed the players?  I thought FPATT was the players???  And how standing up for their rights is a betrayal of the nation?


I judge those statement by Eve to be proud and secure, not insecure.   And which "masses" decided on who was to coach?  Seeing that we have no money to properly administer football, and seeing that the TTFF is in a state of rebuilding (in my opinion it is better off now than under the past cabal led by Jack Warner, who will soon raise again by the way), where did you expect them to get the money to hire a better coach?

We agree to disagree...

I am confused at what you are trying to say here about Military Generals and troops etc.  Can you make it less opaque.  Who on here are clueless, misguided followers?  This is a fan board with differing opinions and commentaries, no one here is pushing to lead T&T football!  We ask for better leadership and accountability.   To call us followers is correct, we are football followers, not clueless and misguided, just passionate as you seem to be.

Football is a strategic sport, on the pitch our team fights a battle against our opponent. I didn't know this thread hit home with you, are you taking this is a personal attack?

You call us a Herd and state that we are clueless and misguided and then cannot explain yourself???   Personal?  nah, I find the post very confused and tangential


Tell us who the true leaders are.  I am always looking for them, and not just in football, but in every aspect of T&T society.  So lead ME, not necessarily everyone else to those/these leaders of which you speak...again I am being very genuine and not confrontational. 

T&T society on the whole are not ready for the leaders I speak of, their continual ignorance will lead them to nowhere, as we are seeing currently.

Do you know or have you identified these mysterious leaders?  If so speak up or shut up man.  You acting like you is some shaolin master and we is grasshoppers.


I am all for revolution, will you lead from Toronto?   There seems to be a semi fresh start in TTFF as far as I am concerned, it cannot be as bad as when Jack Warner and Ollie Camps were in charge, Harford seems like he is genuine, if you have info that can persuade me otherwise I welcome it

Once again Padawan, please read in detail before you make these type of statements. Harford and many others have shown their true colours. BTW who said I will lead from Toronto and if I was throwing my name in the hat?



How has Harford shown his true colors?  The man has done much behind the scenes including approaching the GOVERNMENT to use the 2014 money to pay the debts, Latapy, and the players so the Federation can move on and focus on its business...Bet you did not know that Jedi Master!









 
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: Jah Gol on March 28, 2012, 09:02:47 PM
This is a TrInBa#1 post with plenty words.
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: Controversial on March 28, 2012, 09:15:01 PM
Clean house and start over with a proper plan , even if it means getting outside help. Wishful thinking , them fellas just like to waste tax payer money.

i am glad to see a few posters grasp the concepts and understand where TT football is suppose to go.
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: Controversial on March 28, 2012, 09:22:01 PM
You later than a ho off de pill

not in regards to The HERD...
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: Controversial on March 28, 2012, 09:23:42 PM
What's happening here ?

last time I checked you were not illiterate, read and find out what has happened, you will learn a thing or two. ;)
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: just cool on March 28, 2012, 09:24:20 PM
I bet all ah allyuh one thing, if all went well five yrs ago, jack and the boys worked something out and everyone got paid, no black list, we were doing well and winning since after the WC 2006.

 the stadiums would be full (of fair weather fans of course), the board would be buzzing, half of the ppl who are complaining would not be complaining, we would be still braggin bout how we are the best caribbean team, and of course we would be taking snide jabs @ RF and 2099, and every thing would be honkey dorey.

but the football would still be in disarray, there will still be a lack of youth development programs, our league would still be piss poor, there would still be a lack of funding for proper coaching and football education, no one would be in any hurry to build any youth academies bc they would be satisfied with the results, therefor why bother. there would still be no football players union, the cooperate sponsors would still be sniding the local league, skeene and romany would still be void of ideas on how tuh really run ah league.

 i bet allyuh one thing, almost 80% of the board would be satisfied had we made it to SA, or even challenged for a half spot, had we made it to all the gold cups we missed, had we beaten jamaica once in the office, had we still been in contention for a spot in brazil 2014, had we booked a place to the olympics, but then, how would that change the dynamics of all the things that is wrong with our football ?

so which is better, bogus results, or addressing and fixing what iz wrong with T&T football? i'll take the later any day month or yr.

this was for all the fair weather fans, who rather we win so they could feel good about themselves and our football, while the cancer kept eating out the football from the inside out.



PS: had we done all these things, would TI still be disgruntled?
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: Controversial on March 28, 2012, 09:26:37 PM
what a f#cking cu#thole..... you deserve a good hard F#CK....stupid cyat

you act as though your stupidity is a virtue
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: Bakes on March 28, 2012, 10:09:36 PM
I wouldn't shit in dis thread if it was ah posie, so please doh call my name in yuh nonsense.
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: truetrini on March 28, 2012, 10:15:26 PM
just cool, unlike many, I think if we make a world cup 3 times in my lifetime that would be a hell of an achievement, and we went close twice and made it once, that is remarkable for the size of our country, and that with Jack warner sucking the blood sweat and making people cry too!   Fact is we have a very small pool to cull players from.

Take our 1.2 million population

1.  Remove all the women, that may leave us with a generous 600,000 people.
2.  Now remove all those older than 35 and all those younger than 18...how many you think left?  Lets guess a very generous 300,000
3.  now lets take away 200,000 for many play other sports and some may just not be interested in football, or sports or may just not be talented enough
4.  Take away most of the Indians for whatever reason they eh playing competitive ball and concentrating on cricket and academics.  How many you think left?  Lets guess about 10,000???   

I am just guessing and throwing out numbers for illustrative purposes.

All in all we do very well.


Can we do better?  certainly but it takes vision, planning and hard work.

Something we eh learn jes yet.

8 teams in we pro league if I am not mistaken...lets give each team a very generous 50 players...dais 400 pro players at home and about 50 overseas, and another 50 in college ball in de US and Canada.....dais all brother.

again I guessing numbers, and jes trying to show an example.. we talent pool real shallow, but we continuously punching above we weight class.   Not bad when yuh put things in perspective
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: Deeks on March 28, 2012, 10:33:20 PM
Contro, Bro, How many times TT football dead?
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: just cool on March 28, 2012, 10:42:20 PM
just cool, unlike many, I think if we make a world cup 3 times in my lifetime that would be a hell of an achievement, and we went close twice and made it once, that is remarkable for the size of our country, and that with Jack warner sucking the blood sweat and making people cry too!   Fact is we have a very small pool to cull players from.

Take our 1.2 million population

1.  Remove all the women, that may leave us with a generous 600,000 people.
2.  Now remove all those older than 35 and all those younger than 18...how many you think left?  Lets guess a very generous 300,000
3.  now lets take away 200,000 for many play other sports and some may just not be interested in football, or sports or may just not be talented enough
4.  Take away most of the Indians for whatever reason they eh playing competitive ball and concentrating on cricket and academics.  How many you think left?  Lets guess about 10,000???   

I am just guessing and throwing out numbers for illustrative purposes.

All in all we do very well.


Can we do better?  certainly but it takes vision, planning and hard work.

Something we eh learn jes yet.

8 teams in we pro league if I am not mistaken...lets give each team a very generous 50 players...dais 400 pro players at home and about 50 overseas, and another 50 in college ball in de US and Canada.....dais all brother.

again I guessing numbers, and jes trying to show an example.. we talent pool real shallow, but we continuously punching above we weight class.   Not bad when yuh put things in perspective
TT , me eh talking bout the numbers game nah friend, i talking bout proper management. if yuh want tuh look @ populous, then consider antigua barbuda, how much ppl it have on those islands again, even guyana who beat we out of ah spot, and they have less than a 500,000 .

take uraguay forinstance, they have almost the same population as jamaica, and they won one WC and has been to countless WC, they also won copa america quite ah few times as well, so where do we draw the line.

right now trinidad is such ah blessed little island, and knowing what we are capable of, it does hurt my heart to see after all we have @ our disposal, how neglectful our leader and administrators could be.

imagine something as simple as road divider (medians), this is the main culprit as to why we have such ah high road fatality rate, and no one had cause for concern enough to get on the ball and fix it! it's not that we broke and can't afford to make such modifications, it's just that the administrators don't care enough to get it done.

jack warner swore up and down when he was elected that he would have this problem fixed within six months. after he was stripped off his transport minister portfolio, ah guess it wasn't his problem anymore/ no longer his responsibility, so he basically said (by his actions), "wrong guy, check out so and so for that". so wait jack, your sons, wife , friends, family don't be traveling on those roads ?

you get my drift trini, we need to be ah lot more efficient. now if yuh don't want to make the effort, then i believe it's better not to participate. right now trinbago should be a real wonder of the world, with an excellent sports program, an equally excellent infrastructure, a well secured citizenry (little to no crime) and an excellent police force that would put barbados and bermuda to shame.

but the ppl must have the pride and the love of country to do it, bc we have the money the manpower and the know how(brain) the only thing missing is the will.


PS: we have what it takes to beat mexico, and the top five teams in concacaf, we may never be the best, but i certainly think we could be in the top three, no doubt! bc we have the talent and the resources, is just that we slack and care very little to make this a reality.
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: Controversial on March 29, 2012, 04:14:16 PM
going to  rile allyuh up

TIME TO BRING IN AN AMERICAN COACHING STAFF. I HAVE SAID THIS MANY TIMES. TIME TO LEARN FROM THE TEAM  WE CANNOT SEEM TO BEAT


preach on... however i would expand it to other notable nations with an excellent structure
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: Controversial on March 29, 2012, 04:15:40 PM
I wouldn't shit in dis thread if it was ah posie, so please doh call my name in yuh nonsense.

so why even bother to post? attention seeking? NPD maybe?

I understand your anger is attributed to the fact that your psychological profile has been exposed on a public forum, vent away  :D
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: Controversial on March 29, 2012, 04:31:41 PM
Exactly what are you talking about that is bittersweet as it pertains to our football?  And what is this slap you speak of?  Are you referring to our exit from Olympic qualifying?  If so, what is bittersweet about that?  Are you reveling in our exit in some sort of I told you so moment?

Young Padawan, The HERD believed this to be a fresh start and improvement from the JW era, but they were soon awakened from their slumber with a dose of reality. It is sad to see TT football fall so far from grace but great in that the pretenders will finally come to their senses and maybe, the football community. However, my hopes are not high and we know that we are dealing with an ignorant community that feels they know everything.

I KNOW that this is a new era..isn't that obvious to you?  No one claimed any such improvement, there is hope though!  get your story straight!  Things cannot get any worse than under Jack Warner and Ollie Camps, not by a long shot!!!

Please, if you may, identify this contemporary Western Philosopher you say has been maligned and falsely accused?  And misogynistic behaviors to divert masses from hypocritical statements?  Please elaborate!   I want to understand what you are trying to say...seriously, and with respect.       

From what I recollect, there is a search button on this forum, I believe you are able enough to use it and the references to The HERD will reveal and help you understand.


I am not going to search to find some mysterious western philosopher who was disparaged and accused of misogynistic behavior.  (Do you know what misogynistic means??)


??  Help me here please.  When did this demise occur?

Once again, please use the search button and the posts regarding The HERD...

Are the naysayers the same as the Herd?   And exactly how did the players neglect their duty to nation and their fellow brother?  Expound!

You have always asserted to us on the board, that you are a well read individual, as Bake and Shark has also claimed in many instances, I doubt it is hard to make an educated guess. If you are unaware of FPATT and their lack thereof, maybe now is the time to educate yourself about the situation, as well as player comments that have not only expressed their lack of commitment but lack of patriotism.

FPATT betrayed the players?  I thought FPATT was the players???  And how standing up for their rights is a betrayal of the nation?


I judge those statement by Eve to be proud and secure, not insecure.   And which "masses" decided on who was to coach?  Seeing that we have no money to properly administer football, and seeing that the TTFF is in a state of rebuilding (in my opinion it is better off now than under the past cabal led by Jack Warner, who will soon raise again by the way), where did you expect them to get the money to hire a better coach?

We agree to disagree...

I am confused at what you are trying to say here about Military Generals and troops etc.  Can you make it less opaque.  Who on here are clueless, misguided followers?  This is a fan board with differing opinions and commentaries, no one here is pushing to lead T&T football!  We ask for better leadership and accountability.   To call us followers is correct, we are football followers, not clueless and misguided, just passionate as you seem to be.

Football is a strategic sport, on the pitch our team fights a battle against our opponent. I didn't know this thread hit home with you, are you taking this is a personal attack?

You call us a Herd and state that we are clueless and misguided and then cannot explain yourself???   Personal?  nah, I find the post very confused and tangential


Tell us who the true leaders are.  I am always looking for them, and not just in football, but in every aspect of T&T society.  So lead ME, not necessarily everyone else to those/these leaders of which you speak...again I am being very genuine and not confrontational. 

T&T society on the whole are not ready for the leaders I speak of, their continual ignorance will lead them to nowhere, as we are seeing currently.

Do you know or have you identified these mysterious leaders?  If so speak up or shut up man.  You acting like you is some shaolin master and we is grasshoppers.


I am all for revolution, will you lead from Toronto?   There seems to be a semi fresh start in TTFF as far as I am concerned, it cannot be as bad as when Jack Warner and Ollie Camps were in charge, Harford seems like he is genuine, if you have info that can persuade me otherwise I welcome it

Once again Padawan, please read in detail before you make these type of statements. Harford and many others have shown their true colours. BTW who said I will lead from Toronto and if I was throwing my name in the hat?



How has Harford shown his true colors?  The man has done much behind the scenes including approaching the GOVERNMENT to use the 2014 money to pay the debts, Latapy, and the players so the Federation can move on and focus on its business...Bet you did not know that Jedi Master!









 

- new era? watson is cut from the same cloth, who are you trying to mamaguy with that nonsense?  ::) ; watson is an extension of camps, don't fool yourself and others

- of course i know what it means, the question is do you know? because if you did your research you wouldn't be asking a stupid question

- fpatt is some of the players, post the membership of the union and see how many players are taking a united stand, when that happens, come and wake me... nothing is wrong with standing up for your rights but it has also stunted our football, get your house in order first before you start a revolution, divided they will fall

- i didn't call you anything, you are stating you are a part of The HERD, looking back, you never took part in the discussion, so please tell me, which poster are you also? bake and shark, daft trini, mal jeux? because you never took part in the discussion, unless you did it under another name,  i believe you are confusing yourself bro, because you are trying to post under other names and stating you were part of the discussion, when in fact you hardly commented.  :o

- calling them as i see them, all the so called intelligence on this board and still you cannot come together on a united front to move the football into a new era, ignorance is bliss for many on this board, naming leaders won't make a difference on woodford square online, its a blue crab society which only understands harsh language and actions, civilized conversation is not in vocabulary for people such as The HERD

-The Jedi has known that for a while, let me reiterate for a last time, if this is a pissing contest you are at an anatomical disadvantage my friend. I am sure you have heard of saving face and a papyshow, that is what many are taking you all for on this board, it has been said many times off this board, if you choose to stay in the darkness, stay there, the seeing man is king in the land of the blind
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: Controversial on March 29, 2012, 04:36:54 PM
Contro, Bro, How many times TT football dead?

TT football was never dead, however, now that we have seen the cycle begin again with the recycling of leadership, it is official, many said jw was the problem, but he's not the problem, the problem lies with the people as a whole.
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: Controversial on March 29, 2012, 04:44:19 PM
I bet all ah allyuh one thing, if all went well five yrs ago, jack and the boys worked something out and everyone got paid, no black list, we were doing well and winning since after the WC 2006.

 the stadiums would be full (of fair weather fans of course), the board would be buzzing, half of the ppl who are complaining would not be complaining, we would be still braggin bout how we are the best caribbean team, and of course we would be taking snide jabs @ RF and 2099, and every thing would be honkey dorey.

but the football would still be in disarray, there will still be a lack of youth development programs, our league would still be piss poor, there would still be a lack of funding for proper coaching and football education, no one would be in any hurry to build any youth academies bc they would be satisfied with the results, therefor why bother. there would still be no football players union, the cooperate sponsors would still be sniding the local league, skeene and romany would still be void of ideas on how tuh really run ah league.

 i bet allyuh one thing, almost 80% of the board would be satisfied had we made it to SA, or even challenged for a half spot, had we made it to all the gold cups we missed, had we beaten jamaica once in the office, had we still been in contention for a spot in brazil 2014, had we booked a place to the olympics, but then, how would that change the dynamics of all the things that is wrong with our football ?

so which is better, bogus results, or addressing and fixing what iz wrong with T&T football? i'll take the later any day month or yr.

this was for all the fair weather fans, who rather we win so they could feel good about themselves and our football, while the cancer kept eating out the football from the inside out.



PS: had we done all these things, would TI still be disgruntled?

disgruntled, this is an average conversation, i am not surprised or mad, you reap what you sow, and the seeds of destruction have been sown for a while.

our nation is also to blame, not only the players and management, everyone wants to blame jack, but jw simply used his brain, any other man in his position in TT would have done the same or worse if given those chances, the people on the board is just talk, they like it so...

you think the players loyal to TT? they have some pseudo jamaican youths in TT now that rather be from another island and when the players ride out, they forget about trini, dollar signs and glitz and glamour, patriotism is out the window, national call ups is a feather in their cap, a way to gallery.

the same goes for 90% of this board, they don't truly love TT, they love themselves, the egos i have seen on here from day one are a true testament, thats why the nation is in disarray, but many are afraid to admit, they hide it and justify it, because they can' face the truth

am i angry, hell no, i know the mentality we deal with, so when people start blaming only one side, its a joke to me, greed is rampant on both sides and all around, you mitigate that with intelligence and strategy, something that is lacking on both sides
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: Controversial on March 29, 2012, 04:51:19 PM
just cool, unlike many, I think if we make a world cup 3 times in my lifetime that would be a hell of an achievement, and we went close twice and made it once, that is remarkable for the size of our country, and that with Jack warner sucking the blood sweat and making people cry too!   Fact is we have a very small pool to cull players from.

Take our 1.2 million population

1.  Remove all the women, that may leave us with a generous 600,000 people.
2.  Now remove all those older than 35 and all those younger than 18...how many you think left?  Lets guess a very generous 300,000
3.  now lets take away 200,000 for many play other sports and some may just not be interested in football, or sports or may just not be talented enough
4.  Take away most of the Indians for whatever reason they eh playing competitive ball and concentrating on cricket and academics.  How many you think left?  Lets guess about 10,000???   

I am just guessing and throwing out numbers for illustrative purposes.

All in all we do very well.


Can we do better?  certainly but it takes vision, planning and hard work.

Something we eh learn jes yet.

8 teams in we pro league if I am not mistaken...lets give each team a very generous 50 players...dais 400 pro players at home and about 50 overseas, and another 50 in college ball in de US and Canada.....dais all brother.

again I guessing numbers, and jes trying to show an example.. we talent pool real shallow, but we continuously punching above we weight class.   Not bad when yuh put things in perspective

so your excuse for failure is attributed to our small population to choose footballers from? how about ex-pats living in north america and the UK?

how about the fact that we don't have the right people in place and the ones that can actually run the football aren't given the chances.

how about the fact that our coaches and people locally are poor judges of talent and have so many biases intertwined in their thinking that many can't see outside the box and as a result, let talent go to waste.

so no, i don't buy the sorry excuse that we have a limited talent pool to select from, that player roopie was talented and couldn't make the team because of beyond the boundary reasons, it had coaches who came on here and vouched for his talent but guys like skeene was just plain nasty, thats why our football is down and our nation, wrong people in charge who think they know too much, does that ring a bell for you, it exists right here on this board

THE BLUE CRAB BOARD WHERE NO ONE WILL COME TOGETHER FOR THE GREATER GOOD BECAUSE THEY FEEL THEY ARE TOO GREAT
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: just cool on March 29, 2012, 05:03:39 PM
Contro, Bro, How many times TT football dead?

TT football was never dead, however, now that we have seen the cycle begin again with the recycling of leadership, it is official, many said jw was the problem, but he's not the problem, the problem lies with the people as a whole.
You drinking in yuh livin room or what?? trinidad football was never alive!! so it had no cause to ded!

first off, we are a very talented ppl, and we "were" very brave and charismatic @ one time so we showcased our talent for the world to see, ah natural God given gift, or some freak of nature, or something in the air, soil or water. phenomenal as it was, we always seemed to pull of the improbable.

now that's not to say that we were not in love with football, or that we didn't have a strong desire to join the ranks of football's elite, but we definitely was not a footballing nation, and football never got off the ground in T&T.

it's only in the last decade that we had enough interest to conjure up a pro league, and that league has proven it self to be a failure, since it can't attract spectators and sponsors alike. i remember back in the days fellas played football for applause and the love of the game, and right after the game, fellas went back to being strunters beggin for ah beer, a cold solo, ah malta and beef pie, and they still played with more heart than these "pros".

as for T&T football being ded, bro, i was there, and though it was more fanfare, plenty spectatorship and ppl had much love for the game, our football was never established, no pro league, no facilities, no structure, and no one cared about football enough to give it life, just like today.

Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: Controversial on March 29, 2012, 05:11:49 PM
Contro, Bro, How many times TT football dead?

TT football was never dead, however, now that we have seen the cycle begin again with the recycling of leadership, it is official, many said jw was the problem, but he's not the problem, the problem lies with the people as a whole.
You drinking in yuh livin room or what?? trinidad football was never alive!! so it had no cause to ded!

first off, we are a very talented ppl, and we "were" very brave and charismatic @ one time so we showcased our talent for the world to see, ah natural God given gift, or some freak of nature, or something in the air, soil or water. phenomenal as it was, we always seemed to pull of the improbable.

now that's not to say that we were not in love with football, or that we didn't have a strong desire to join the ranks of football's elite, but we definitely was not a footballing nation, and football never got off the ground in T&T.

it's only in the last decade that we had enough interest to conjure up a pro league, and that league has proven it self to be a failure, since it can't attract spectators and sponsors alike. i remember back in the days fellas played football for applause and the love of the game, and right after the game, fellas went back to being strunters beggin for ah beer, a cold solo, ah malta and beef pie, and they still played with more heart than these "pros".

as for T&T football being ded, bro, i was there, and though it was more fanfare, plenty spectatorship and ppl had much love for the game, our football was never established, no pro league, no facilities, no structure, and no one cared about football enough to give it life, just like today.



we agree to disagree, that's your opinion bro, everyone has their own story to tell and bone to pick.

our people are to blame, not jw and the players alone, it starts with society, it has many talented players outside trini that can't make the team but could make a difference and that is just the tip of the iceberg, we also have the right minds to run our football but they too are kept away.

our society is the cause of this, plain and simple, no big diatribe is needed to explain that
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: truetrini on March 29, 2012, 05:16:47 PM
just cool, unlike many, I think if we make a world cup 3 times in my lifetime that would be a hell of an achievement, and we went close twice and made it once, that is remarkable for the size of our country, and that with Jack warner sucking the blood sweat and making people cry too!   Fact is we have a very small pool to cull players from.

Take our 1.2 million population

1.  Remove all the women, that may leave us with a generous 600,000 people.
2.  Now remove all those older than 35 and all those younger than 18...how many you think left?  Lets guess a very generous 300,000
3.  now lets take away 200,000 for many play other sports and some may just not be interested in football, or sports or may just not be talented enough
4.  Take away most of the Indians for whatever reason they eh playing competitive ball and concentrating on cricket and academics.  How many you think left?  Lets guess about 10,000???   

I am just guessing and throwing out numbers for illustrative purposes.

All in all we do very well.


Can we do better?  certainly but it takes vision, planning and hard work.

Something we eh learn jes yet.

8 teams in we pro league if I am not mistaken...lets give each team a very generous 50 players...dais 400 pro players at home and about 50 overseas, and another 50 in college ball in de US and Canada.....dais all brother.

again I guessing numbers, and jes trying to show an example.. we talent pool real shallow, but we continuously punching above we weight class.   Not bad when yuh put things in perspective

so your excuse for failure is attributed to our small population to choose footballers from? how about ex-pats living in north america and the UK?

how about the fact that we don't have the right people in place and the ones that can actually run the football aren't given the chances.

how about the fact that our coaches and people locally are poor judges of talent and have so many biases intertwined in their thinking that many can't see outside the box and as a result, let talent go to waste.

so no, i don't buy the sorry excuse that we have a limited talent pool to select from, that player roopie was talented and couldn't make the team because of beyond the boundary reasons, it had coaches who came on here and vouched for his talent but guys like skeene was just plain nasty, thats why our football is down and our nation, wrong people in charge who think they know too much, does that ring a bell for you, it exists right here on this board

THE BLUE CRAB BOARD WHERE NO ONE WILL COME TOGETHER FOR THE GREATER GOOD BECAUSE THEY FEEL THEY ARE TOO GREAT

Try this website, if you feel that is what I said.

http://donate.rif.org/site/PageNavigator/enewslettersignup?utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=ad&utm_campaign=eNewsAd&gclid=CO-l7cmeja8CFeYRNAodOlZ2ww
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: Controversial on March 29, 2012, 05:18:55 PM
just cool, unlike many, I think if we make a world cup 3 times in my lifetime that would be a hell of an achievement, and we went close twice and made it once, that is remarkable for the size of our country, and that with Jack warner sucking the blood sweat and making people cry too!   Fact is we have a very small pool to cull players from.

Take our 1.2 million population

1.  Remove all the women, that may leave us with a generous 600,000 people.
2.  Now remove all those older than 35 and all those younger than 18...how many you think left?  Lets guess a very generous 300,000
3.  now lets take away 200,000 for many play other sports and some may just not be interested in football, or sports or may just not be talented enough
4.  Take away most of the Indians for whatever reason they eh playing competitive ball and concentrating on cricket and academics.  How many you think left?  Lets guess about 10,000???   

I am just guessing and throwing out numbers for illustrative purposes.

All in all we do very well.


Can we do better?  certainly but it takes vision, planning and hard work.

Something we eh learn jes yet.

8 teams in we pro league if I am not mistaken...lets give each team a very generous 50 players...dais 400 pro players at home and about 50 overseas, and another 50 in college ball in de US and Canada.....dais all brother.

again I guessing numbers, and jes trying to show an example.. we talent pool real shallow, but we continuously punching above we weight class.   Not bad when yuh put things in perspective

so your excuse for failure is attributed to our small population to choose footballers from? how about ex-pats living in north america and the UK?

how about the fact that we don't have the right people in place and the ones that can actually run the football aren't given the chances.

how about the fact that our coaches and people locally are poor judges of talent and have so many biases intertwined in their thinking that many can't see outside the box and as a result, let talent go to waste.

so no, i don't buy the sorry excuse that we have a limited talent pool to select from, that player roopie was talented and couldn't make the team because of beyond the boundary reasons, it had coaches who came on here and vouched for his talent but guys like skeene was just plain nasty, thats why our football is down and our nation, wrong people in charge who think they know too much, does that ring a bell for you, it exists right here on this board

THE BLUE CRAB BOARD WHERE NO ONE WILL COME TOGETHER FOR THE GREATER GOOD BECAUSE THEY FEEL THEY ARE TOO GREAT

Try this website, if you feel that is what I said.

http://donate.rif.org/site/PageNavigator/enewslettersignup?utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=ad&utm_campaign=eNewsAd&gclid=CO-l7cmeja8CFeYRNAodOlZ2ww

settling for mediocrity?

try this website bro...

http://mediocreminds.com/ (http://mediocreminds.com/)
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: truetrini on March 29, 2012, 05:24:10 PM
just cool, unlike many, I think if we make a world cup 3 times in my lifetime that would be a hell of an achievement, and we went close twice and made it once, that is remarkable for the size of our country, and that with Jack warner sucking the blood sweat and making people cry too!   Fact is we have a very small pool to cull players from.

Take our 1.2 million population

1.  Remove all the women, that may leave us with a generous 600,000 people.
2.  Now remove all those older than 35 and all those younger than 18...how many you think left?  Lets guess a very generous 300,000
3.  now lets take away 200,000 for many play other sports and some may just not be interested in football, or sports or may just not be talented enough
4.  Take away most of the Indians for whatever reason they eh playing competitive ball and concentrating on cricket and academics.  How many you think left?  Lets guess about 10,000???   

I am just guessing and throwing out numbers for illustrative purposes.

All in all we do very well.


Can we do better?  certainly but it takes vision, planning and hard work.

Something we eh learn jes yet.

8 teams in we pro league if I am not mistaken...lets give each team a very generous 50 players...dais 400 pro players at home and about 50 overseas, and another 50 in college ball in de US and Canada.....dais all brother.

again I guessing numbers, and jes trying to show an example.. we talent pool real shallow, but we continuously punching above we weight class.   Not bad when yuh put things in perspective

so your excuse for failure is attributed to our small population to choose footballers from? how about ex-pats living in north america and the UK?

how about the fact that we don't have the right people in place and the ones that can actually run the football aren't given the chances.

how about the fact that our coaches and people locally are poor judges of talent and have so many biases intertwined in their thinking that many can't see outside the box and as a result, let talent go to waste.

so no, i don't buy the sorry excuse that we have a limited talent pool to select from, that player roopie was talented and couldn't make the team because of beyond the boundary reasons, it had coaches who came on here and vouched for his talent but guys like skeene was just plain nasty, thats why our football is down and our nation, wrong people in charge who think they know too much, does that ring a bell for you, it exists right here on this board

THE BLUE CRAB BOARD WHERE NO ONE WILL COME TOGETHER FOR THE GREATER GOOD BECAUSE THEY FEEL THEY ARE TOO GREAT

Try this website, if you feel that is what I said.

http://donate.rif.org/site/PageNavigator/enewslettersignup?utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=ad&utm_campaign=eNewsAd&gclid=CO-l7cmeja8CFeYRNAodOlZ2ww

settling for mediocrity?

try this website bro...

http://mediocreminds.com/ (http://mediocreminds.com/)

you on kicks yes.  You have to be on f@cking kicks.

I feeling like beating meh self on de head for attempting to engage you in serious discussion...steups!
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: just cool on March 29, 2012, 06:01:19 PM
Contro, Bro, How many times TT football dead?

TT football was never dead, however, now that we have seen the cycle begin again with the recycling of leadership, it is official, many said jw was the problem, but he's not the problem, the problem lies with the people as a whole.
You drinking in yuh livin room or what?? trinidad football was never alive!! so it had no cause to ded!

first off, we are a very talented ppl, and we "were" very brave and charismatic @ one time so we showcased our talent for the world to see, ah natural God given gift, or some freak of nature, or something in the air, soil or water. phenomenal as it was, we always seemed to pull of the improbable.

now that's not to say that we were not in love with football, or that we didn't have a strong desire to join the ranks of football's elite, but we definitely was not a footballing nation, and football never got off the ground in T&T.

it's only in the last decade that we had enough interest to conjure up a pro league, and that league has proven it self to be a failure, since it can't attract spectators and sponsors alike. i remember back in the days fellas played football for applause and the love of the game, and right after the game, fellas went back to being strunters beggin for ah beer, a cold solo, ah malta and beef pie, and they still played with more heart than these "pros".

as for T&T football being ded, bro, i was there, and though it was more fanfare, plenty spectatorship and ppl had much love for the game, our football was never established, no pro league, no facilities, no structure, and no one cared about football enough to give it life, just like today.



we agree to disagree, that's your opinion bro, everyone has their own story to tell and bone to pick.

our people are to blame, not jw and the players alone, it starts with society, it has many talented players outside trini that can't make the team but could make a difference and that is just the tip of the iceberg, we also have the right minds to run our football but they too are kept away.

our society is the cause of this, plain and simple, no big diatribe is needed to explain that
Eh TI, are we talking bout the same thing? bc i don't want tuh be all over the place with this! this is not a matter of opinion, this is fact! i iz not no lil child, and i could tell yuh bc i was there, our football was always in ah sh!tty condition.

 the fact that we had one fackin TV channel, and ppl would rather be out and about than sitting @ home watching sesame street, clopper castle, cat weasel or readin rainbow (all kiddie shows) that made sports such ah big hit, bc we didn't have shyte else to do, so man went to the savannah and kick ball for ah bandolo team just to stay entertained.

 some fellas was good enough tuh play or ah club, malvern, peterborough, colts, carenarge UTD, maple ect, but there was no pay, and no red carpet, just temari and hard tacke in yuh rass.

not until arthur suite came around football had some dignity, and yet still that didn't last too long.

football really took off in T&T in the mid eighties with the semi pro league, with teams like trintoc and ASL who attracted ah lot of ppl, even though that was not ah big big league.

after a while fellas started goin outside to play football and getting pro contracts on a regular, but all those yrs T&T football was runnin on solo and beef pies, and football was a past time, not no official sport as in other countries who we could consider footballing nations.

so this is not an opinion as you would like to think, if yuh think ah lying, just ask deeks and coop if T&T was ever a footballing nation, and while yuh @ it, ask them where was the first youth academy, or the elite training facility, hek, the only place that was officially dedicated to football was PSA, and it was ah bumpy dusty half turf half dirt field that every one used for sporting events, hek, even my school kept their track meets there/ sports day.
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: Socapro on March 29, 2012, 09:55:50 PM
've been reading a lot of these posts on various topics, but haven't really said anything.  Anyway, I'll say something that I've been saying about T&T football for over 20 years:

We have absolutely no football IQ and common sense when we play the game.  When attacking, our gays always seek to make a direct pass to a teammate, instead of looking to pass the ball (usually diagonally) to the space where the 'receiver' would run into to gather the pass.  As such, most of our school-boy intercol standard direct pass attempts are typically easily intercepted by the opposing teams's defense.

Problem is, we have world class talented players with no idea of playing world class tactical football.  Our tactics and eye for the game when playing at these international competitions, are still at the high school level. 

Shame is, with just a few minor tweaks to the way we approach our passing (among other minor tweaks), we can then become a real threat to other teams besides St. Lucia.  Although we should, we actually don't necessarily need a wholesale change of players or coaching personel.  Just a few minor tweaks to teach players to run into the spaces...for passers to pass the ball into those 'empty' spaces...for our goal-keepers to cease and desist from the long booted kicks which typically leads to counter attacks by the opposition.

Anyhows, there's obviously more, but that's just  $.02   :-)   

 :beermug:
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: Socapro on March 29, 2012, 10:03:43 PM
Contro, Bro, How many times TT football dead?
As many times as he decides to announce it!  :yellowcard:
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: Trini on March 30, 2012, 09:25:10 AM
next up, Digicel qualifiers:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Caribbean_Championship

The one good thing is that we have plenty timeeeeee.

For this competition, we have at least 6 games to play to qualify for the finals in December, where perhaps another 4-5 in that tournament if we are to qualify for the gold cup. Thats plenty games we will be playing later this year. We have FIFA dates between now and qualifying, and CONCACAF will be in the midst of WCQualifying, so opportunities to get in some games with teams seeking to get into form. We should not be at a shortage for preparation. You cant ask for it better.

We hadda forget about men like Kenwyne, carlos etc, as the Digicel Cup qualifying rounds and finals not on FIFA dates, so they wont be part of this. We have nuff men in lesser leagues all around the world and here in the PFL to put together a good mix of about 30 players from the current U23 and senior squad. This core of players should be the core to travel to the Gold Cup in 2013. That should be our ultimate aim, to reach the second round of the GC next year. That is our world cup. Do that and our ranking will move back up, we will get more games, we will get favourable draws for WCQ next time etc etc.

We have just under 6 months before the next critical bit of action begins. Lets see how we use it.

If was me in charge or had a say, here is what would be my plan...

The digicel tournament qualifiers will be used to send a message to CONCACAF that T&T is serious once again after the embarassment of the WC campaign and the humiliation of the 7 goal defeat to Mexico. My mission is to score 15+ goals on St Kitts, St Martin and Anguilla.
Trust me, when Mexico came out to play T&T in their first game last week, they had a plan and that plan was to send a signal and boost their confidence.

The next plan will be to repeat this against Cuba and the other 2 teams in the next qualifying round. Absolutely no losses, no draws and only multiple goal victories.

And for the finals in December, the aim is to not only qualify for the Gold Cup, but to win the competition. We will have to go through Jamaica, but that must be the aim. We have not won this competition that we have dominated in he past for quite a while now. We must send a statement and boost our own belief.

T&T football not dead, we have plenty to look forward to....

How we plan and prepare for it is another story though....
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: FireBrand on March 30, 2012, 10:20:21 AM
We are in Group F. All games to be played in the Saint Kitts and Nevis from 24–26 September. Our opponents are Anguilla, St Martin and St Kitts Nevis.
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: Trinitozbone on March 30, 2012, 01:28:38 PM
These last two posts remind me of persons living in Fool's Paradise! There are many fundamentals that must be addressed before we begin to rise! We don't have a proper foundation! We have a Very poor group of administrators  who don't have a clue about football . Most of them never played the game at a serious level! We even have a firmer hockey  player running football! People wake up and smell the coffee! We in deep doodoo  unless things are put right!!
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: FireBrand on March 30, 2012, 02:39:29 PM
These last two posts remind me of persons living in Fool's Paradise!

???   What exactly in my last post could possibly give you that impression?
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: Deeks on March 30, 2012, 02:45:51 PM
We even have a firmer hockey  player running football! People wake up and smell the coffee! We in deep doodoo  unless things are put right!!

Who is the former hockey player? Watson?
Title: Re: It is now Official, Trinidad & Tobago Football is DEAD....
Post by: Controversial on March 30, 2012, 03:40:15 PM
Contro, Bro, How many times TT football dead?

TT football was never dead, however, now that we have seen the cycle begin again with the recycling of leadership, it is official, many said jw was the problem, but he's not the problem, the problem lies with the people as a whole.
You drinking in yuh livin room or what?? trinidad football was never alive!! so it had no cause to ded!

first off, we are a very talented ppl, and we "were" very brave and charismatic @ one time so we showcased our talent for the world to see, ah natural God given gift, or some freak of nature, or something in the air, soil or water. phenomenal as it was, we always seemed to pull of the improbable.

now that's not to say that we were not in love with football, or that we didn't have a strong desire to join the ranks of football's elite, but we definitely was not a footballing nation, and football never got off the ground in T&T.

it's only in the last decade that we had enough interest to conjure up a pro league, and that league has proven it self to be a failure, since it can't attract spectators and sponsors alike. i remember back in the days fellas played football for applause and the love of the game, and right after the game, fellas went back to being strunters beggin for ah beer, a cold solo, ah malta and beef pie, and they still played with more heart than these "pros".

as for T&T football being ded, bro, i was there, and though it was more fanfare, plenty spectatorship and ppl had much love for the game, our football was never established, no pro league, no facilities, no structure, and no one cared about football enough to give it life, just like today.



we agree to disagree, that's your opinion bro, everyone has their own story to tell and bone to pick.

our people are to blame, not jw and the players alone, it starts with society, it has many talented players outside trini that can't make the team but could make a difference and that is just the tip of the iceberg, we also have the right minds to run our football but they too are kept away.

our society is the cause of this, plain and simple, no big diatribe is needed to explain that
Eh TI, are we talking bout the same thing? bc i don't want tuh be all over the place with this! this is not a matter of opinion, this is fact! i iz not no lil child, and i could tell yuh bc i was there, our football was always in ah sh!tty condition.

 the fact that we had one fackin TV channel, and ppl would rather be out and about than sitting @ home watching sesame street, clopper castle, cat weasel or readin rainbow (all kiddie shows) that made sports such ah big hit, bc we didn't have shyte else to do, so man went to the savannah and kick ball for ah bandolo team just to stay entertained.

 some fellas was good enough tuh play or ah club, malvern, peterborough, colts, carenarge UTD, maple ect, but there was no pay, and no red carpet, just temari and hard tacke in yuh rass.

not until arthur suite came around football had some dignity, and yet still that didn't last too long.

football really took off in T&T in the mid eighties with the semi pro league, with teams like trintoc and ASL who attracted ah lot of ppl, even though that was not ah big big league.

after a while fellas started goin outside to play football and getting pro contracts on a regular, but all those yrs T&T football was runnin on solo and beef pies, and football was a past time, not no official sport as in other countries who we could consider footballing nations.

so this is not an opinion as you would like to think, if yuh think ah lying, just ask deeks and coop if T&T was ever a footballing nation, and while yuh @ it, ask them where was the first youth academy, or the elite training facility, hek, the only place that was officially dedicated to football was PSA, and it was ah bumpy dusty half turf half dirt field that every one used for sporting events, hek, even my school kept their track meets there/ sports day.

in reality we could have qualified 4 times for the big dance up to now and possibly many more times if it wasn't for poor planning, poor coaching and lack of commitment by the best players.

i understand that in the 21st century kids are a lot more distracted and have turned to other means of entertainment, but that still is not an excuse for our failure. i never said we were a footballing world power but we have the talent to make the dance every 4 years and its our people who have caused us to fail time and time again.

with the right people in place we can make the WC every 4 years, right now we have jokers running our football and jokers on this board fueling them and this nonsense.

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