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Sports => Football => Topic started by: Disgruntled_Trini on April 19, 2012, 05:24:53 PM
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This one is for all the marbles....or at least some.
Camp Nou, Barcelona
Barcelona 8:00pm, Trinidad 2pm.
This season:
Sat 10/12/11 PRD Real Madrid 1 - 3 Barcelona
http://www.youtube.com/v/QgGTyZ45ZEQ
Team Rankings:
1 Real Madrid 33 +78 85
2 Barcelona 33 +72 81
3 Valencia 33 +8 52
4 Málaga 33 +3 51
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Ah backing barca this rounds, doh disapoint me.
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Cmon Real, make dem Barca men buss dey lungs on Saturday..
We want them soft for the return leg on Tuesday. :devil:
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After this clasico Real has the harder games with Sevilla (h), Bilbao and Granada (a) and finishing off against Mallorca (h). Dive-alona has Rayo (a), Malaga and Espanyol (h) and lastly Betis. So with the potential for Madrid to drop some points against Sevilla and Bilbao, a clasico loss could mean the title goes to Dive-alona (even though Pep steroid-iola already conceded)... But it would be funny to have a team beat you twice in the league and you still beat them to the title...
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Viva Ronaldo
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I doh like Sid Lowe with he goat-mouth self eh know.
Real Madrid keep on scoring but will it be enough against Barcelona?Its status remains undimmed by defeats for the Spanish giants in midweek and El Clásico could decide La Liga title
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It was not supposed to be this way. These two unstoppable beasts were supposed to stride towards each other, floor shaking with every thumping step, swatting others out the way until they came head to head at the Camp Nou for the ultimate showdown. For Real Madrid, this was an opportunity; with a four-point lead at the top, it was a chance to defeat and destroy Barcelona, taking the title and proving themselves the most powerful force around. Instead, they both turn up defeated.
They always knew that was possible. Bayern Munich are Real's other enemy, and El Clásico is still a colossal clash, the biggest in world football, but this was the week that seemed set to enthrone them. It is only seven days since Real become the equal highest scoring team in Spanish football history; Karim Benzema's goal against Sporting Gijón was his team's third of the match, the goal that restored their lead at the top of the table to seven points. It was also Real's 107th league goal. José Mourinho's team had matched the record with five matches to spare.
Last season Real had come close, scoring 102, but there was something a little false about the stat. It owed much to a late-season flurry, scoring six, two, six, four, three and eight in their final six matches following a 1-1 draw with Barcelona, which had effectively confirmed the Catalans as league champions and after which Alfredo Di Stefáno described Madrid as a team "without personality", playing like "mice".
There is nothing false about this total. Madrid have equalled John Toshack's Real Madrid of 1989-90, the last waltz from a legendary, artistic team: the Emilio Butragueño-led Quinta del Buitre, which clinched five consecutive league championships. The Clásico will go a long way to deciding if Real can prevent Pep Guardiola's team reaching a fourth successive title.
That 89-90 season, Hugo Sánchez equalled Telmo Zarra's 1950-51 record, scoring 38 goals – every one with a single touch. Cristiano Ronaldo broke Sánchez's record last season with 39. Now he's on 41. He has 53 in 49 games in all competitions, 139 in 137 since leaving Manchester United. Forty-one is the same figure as Lionel Messi. He has 63 in 53 games; Messi gets a goal every 72 minutes, Ronaldo every 81. They have assists, too, and lots of them: Messi is on 25, Ronaldo 14.
One week, Messi leads in the Pichichi charts, the next it is Ronaldo. The Clásico is a confrontation of a thousand subplots; Messi v Ronaldo, players who define their teams, is the most compelling of them. At times, you can almost picture the two of them on the phone before the weekend's games, deciding on the number of goals they will get. They are in cahoots, having a giggle at all our expense, and to our joy. How many this week, Cris? Two, Leo? OK then.
When it comes to goals in this fixture, the balance has tipped the way of the Madrid man once accused of not being able to perform against the Catalans – he missed a penalty for Manchester United in Barcelona. He has now scored in the past three Clásicos; Messi has not scored in any of them. Yet Messi has six in six confrontations with Real at the Camp Nou and has scored more against Iker Casillas than any other goalkeeper.
It is not just about Messi's goals, though. And it is not just about Ronaldo. He is not alone in the Madrid team. Benzema has 18 in the league. Gonzalo Higuaín has 21. They are the most effective "trident" in history, ahead of Messi, Thierry Henry and Samuel Eto'o, who led Barcelona's 6-2 win at Madrid in 2008-09, even though they rarely play together. Real's goal difference is +78, Barcelona's is +72. In Europe, Madrid have scored 33, level with Barcelona. In the league, they average 3.2 per game. As the assistant coach Aitor Karanka put it: "For those who say Mourinho is defensive, those aren't bad stats."
Accusations of defensiveness linger, and in Spain, where the aesthetic is often as prized as the effective, "accusation" is the word. But the figures make a powerful case. It is easy to empathise with Mourinho: 107 goals and you're still calling us defensive?
At specific moments Mourinho has sought protection, though. Fábio Coentrão tends to replace the attacking full-back Marcelo in key games. Mourinho also opted for a trivote – a three-man defensive midfield and a word laced with negative overtones – in Valencia, Málaga and Villarreal. He has famously done the same against Barcelona, with Pepe as one of the three, a decision some met as if it was a moral aberration.
One of the big questions being posed is: will he do the same now? Will the four-point lead give him a cushion that allows him to attack Barcelona knowing that Madrid will still be top no matter what, or will it encourage him to protect what he holds? After all, a draw will almost certainly make Real champions. They have let a 10-point lead slip but few can see them dropping points twice in the final four games. If Mourinho does seek an extra body in there he may have to find another man for the role. Lassana Diarra, the normal addition to Xabi Alonso and Sami Khedira, has slipped not just from the team since the draw at Villarreal but from the squad.
The occasional caution suggests a recognition of the different levels of opposition in Spain and beyond. Yet Mourinho has tried many approaches against Barcelona. The results have been largely the same – they have won one in 10 – but the sensations have been different. The desire to protect is understandable, but Barcelona have rarely been less comfortable than when Real have attacked them, applying intense pressure and applying it high: the 2-2 Copa del Rey draw at the Camp Nou was one of those rare occasions where the sensation was that the visitors were the better side. Mourinho's critics suggested that he only did so because, trailing from the first leg, he had no choice.
Mostly, Mourinho's team has been insatiable this season. No one rains in shots like they do: Real have taken 645 this season. The second highest, Barcelona, are almost 100 behind. They do not play the same technical game as Barcelona and their possession stats are lower; 58% against 67% in the Champions League before last week's semi-final first-leg ties; 500 passes per game against 666 in La Liga. But the offensive intent is there.
There is a relentlessness about them that is partly born of last season, of the realisation that in Spain draws are the new defeats. Real failed to win the 2010-11 title because of their 5-0 loss to Barcelona, sure, but also because of 0-0 draws with Mallorca, Levante and Deportivo and 1-0 defeats against Osasuna and Sporting Gijón. Five games against clubs they should destroy, whose budget they dwarf; five games without scoring. The lesson was reinforced in weeks three and four of this season when they were beaten 1-0 by Levante and drew 0-0 in Santander.
The determination not to repeat that mistake has contributed to the manner in which they have steamrollered teams and contributed to their goals tally. Since Santander, they have failed to scored once: the 0-0 draw with Valencia, in which they took 33 shots. The previous two games they had won 5-1, in part a reaction to the timely reminder received the week before when Real scored once against Málaga and Villarreal, both times conceding late equalisers from free-kicks. It was a wake-up call for a team that had found that even when they played badly they still had sufficient pegada to win.
Pegada means punch. While Barcelona are technically precise stylists, dancing around, jabbing you into submission, Real beat you to a pulp. And when they do not, when their opponent may even be winning on points, they have an incredible capacity to land the knockout blow. It can come out of nowhere and it can come from anywhere, making them more dangerous. As one La Liga coach explains, "Barcelona make you feel worse than Madrid, more inferior. You never touch the ball, you just drop ever deeper and protect yourself. Against Madrid, you feel like you're in the game, you get the ball, you play, you attack … and that is when they score."
Less possession sometimes means more effective possession. The speed of Real's transitions is devastating. "Counterattack" is treated like a dirty phrase in Spain but Real execute it with such pace and precision that it is a thing of breathtaking beauty. Rarely does the opposition look more vulnerable than when they have a corner. Another coach admits to not sending defenders forward for them. It is not worth the risk. Real, on the other hand, do. From set plays in the air, Sergio Ramos might be the most dangerous player in Spain. Mesut Ozil, Alonso and Ángel Di María provide accurate deliveries. Only two sides have scored more from dead balls than Real. No one has had more penalties.
If that makes Real sound like a purely counterattacking side, scoring on the break and from free kicks and corners, think again. They may well opt to be so against Barcelona but, on average, they still have more than 60% of the ball and they have scored more goals from team moves than anyone else – including Barcelona. There is just so much variety to Real's game: speed and power, technique, athleticism and skill. They can go outside or inside, play long or play short. They are supremely well organised, too, fit and fast.
Stripped down to the basics, there is just so much talent. There's never been a more expensive team. Their front three last Saturday was Ozil, Higuaín and Ronaldo. Cost: €126m. The players on the bench cost €174m and they have been used well: more subs have scored for Madrid than anyone else.
Nuri Sahin was the Bundesliga's best player last season; last Saturday he started his first league game in Spain. Real hadn't needed him until now. It ended with Madrid scoring three. Three more. One hundred and seven in total. No one has ever scored more. But will it be enough?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/apr/20/real-madrid-barcelona-clasico
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Nobody showing it, so is live stream for me.
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Nobody showing it, so is live stream for me.
LOUDDD STEUPSSSS
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For those who can get it, the game is on ESPN Deportes and ESPN 3 as well as Gol Tv
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For those who can get it, the game is on ESPN Deportes and ESPN 3 as well as Gol Tv
:beermug:
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http://www.rojadirecta.me/
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Lets see if Ozil can finally make a positive contribution against Barca. Real need tuh play in control if they are going tuh have a chance. Dey does come out all hype and then fade once Barca score then lose their discipline.
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gOAAAAAAAAALLLLLL
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1 NIL REAL
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Yuh could always count on Valdes to give at least one goal.
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Goal boy! It was bess ah wha? Allyuh could believe I working n cah watch??? Steupsss
Hala Madrid!!!
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Listening tuh the collective gasps coming from the crowd when Inesta, Messi and Xavi dribbling pass defenders giving me chills! Pure sex on the football field.
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Goal boy! It was bess ah wha? Allyuh could believe I working n cah watch??? Steupsss
Hala Madrid!!!
Goal mouth poke in
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after watching them EPL matches this morning, the vision and passing in this game is :drool:
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Inexcusable miss by Xavi...has to do better with such a GREAT pass from Messi. >:(
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Arbeloa has Tello in check. Gotta try something different to just trying to squeeze down the goalline.
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Tello is a purge!
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Sub for Tello...pure sh*t today from him
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Game on now!
what a messy goal.
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not too 'classic' goals in this game so far...look at the madrid players' faces...wow
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not too 'classic' goals in this game so far...look at the madrid players' faces...wow
Look a classic for you dey. CR7!
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anybody have a good stream
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That 2nd RM goal was a beauty.
Thaz a goal to make a stadium hush.
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anybody have a good stream
Check here
http://livetv.ru/en/eventinfo/115160_barcelona_real_madrid/
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thanks
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what a game
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sooooo uuuummmm game done??.......dais why de thread so quiet?? Like how de place was quiet, quiet Tuesday evening?? ;D
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sooooo uuuummmm game done??.......dais why de thread so quiet?? Like how de place was quiet, quiet Tuesday evening?? ;D
Mes que un club ;D
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Hala madriiiiiiiid!!
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Toppa dat other team like copper, bright and shiny, pretty to look at but not worth all that much at the end of the day
;D
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Toppa dat other team like copper, bright and shiny, pretty to look at but not worth all that much at the end of the day
;D
Copper??? No sir, aluminium foil. Cos dey rel crumple up tonight. Hahahahaha
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Toppa dat other team like copper, bright and shiny, pretty to look at but not worth all that much at the end of the day
;D
:heehee: :heehee: All yuh leave Disgruntled alone nah...... ;D
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Barataria - the number for today is 7.
In all seriousness been saying it, Barca looking a lil fatigued and wounded by their standards. Xavi is clearly not 100% fit, Iniesta not on top form, Villa hurt, Abidal out, Pedro is not the Pedro of last season etc... On their day they can still kill anyone of course, but the rest of the top tier football world have a better shot of beating them on any given day.
Bayern Munich next!!
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KEEP CALM AND VIVA RONALDO
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Congratulations to Real Madrid and their supporters on an excellent victory at the Nou Camp. A special commendation goes out to Cristiano Ronaldo on a fine performance.
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Congratulations to Real Madrid and their supporters on an excellent victory at the Nou Camp. A special commendation goes out to Cristiano Ronaldo on a fine performance.
Ozil was my man of the match.
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Congratulations to Real Madrid and their supporters on an excellent victory at the Nou Camp. A special commendation goes out to Cristiano Ronaldo on a fine performance.
Ozil was my man of the match.
I find that man so underrated it eh funny. Big playerr Mezut Ozil
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dey eddar get soften up some more or dey is now ah dangerously wounded animal ........congrats to d RM fans........time to see what chelsea can do on tuesday
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sooooo uuuummmm game done??.......dais why de thread so quiet?? Like how de place was quiet, quiet Tuesday evening?? ;D
stueps i had grass to cut
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Barcaaaa losss? OMG. Well i supporting Chelsea Tues, my goat in form this week
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@DHW :rotfl:
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congrats to de RM fans :devil: ......well, at least maybe one or two ah allyuh......de ress could kissit!!
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congrats to de RM fans :devil: ......well, at least maybe one or two ah allyuh......de ress could kissit!!
Yuhn glad we soften dem up for allyuh? But I kinna frighten fuh yuh chlesea at the same time eh, cos dey go be coming out with a vengeance. On the other hand, I feel fairly confident that madrid will soften up bayern at the bernabeu.
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congrats to de RM fans :devil: ......well, at least maybe one or two ah allyuh......de ress could kissit!!
Yuhn glad we soften dem up for allyuh? But I kinna frighten fuh yuh chlesea at the same time eh, cos dey go be coming out with a vengeance. On the other hand, I feel fairly confident that madrid will soften up bayern at the bernabeu.
....well doh fuhget I like both ah dem, so I cool either way......any love ah had fuh RM flush dong d toilet when allyuh bring de metro on board.....so as long as BM knock allyuh out on Wednesday, I good! :devil:
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Toppa that Bayern match will be a serious alley fight but I feel we have that game so long as Mourinho doh overthink it and f*ck it up. All we hadda do is figure out a way to neutralize their wing play - Robben, Ribery and Lahm killed us in the final 20 of that first match...
Barca will beat Chelsea but I think they will need a clean sheet and that part I not sure about. I seeing a 2-1 Barca and Chelsea through or a 3-1 and Chelsea looking for the scappy 2nd away goal down in the dregs and any card could play - either way unless Barca find that zing that's been kinda missing it will be a very uncomfortable match for both sets of fans.
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Disgruntled...I did the honours... ;)
http://www.youtube.com/v/aYlYanTk9RY
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Barataria - the number for today is 7.
In all seriousness been saying it, Barca looking a lil fatigued and wounded by their standards. Xavi is clearly not 100% fit, Iniesta not on top form, Villa hurt, Abidal out, Pedro is not the Pedro of last season etc... On their day they can still kill anyone of course, but the rest of the top tier football world have a better shot of beating them on any given day.
Bayern Munich next!!
Yea. Next Season :devil:
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Congrats to Real, they scored and won, well done. Almost an identical goal to the Copa Del Rey by Ronaldo.
Barca suffering from a lack of finishing. They created little chances but those created were good
opportunities, but like against Chelsea, they failed to convert. Pep must be worried about this, outside of Messi & Sanchez where are the goals going to come from.
Rear game Messi failed to score against Real ::)
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Messi ain score against Madrid in about four matchdes. Ronaldo on the other hand...
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Messi ain score against Madrid in about four matchdes. Ronaldo on the other hand...
Sorry I thought he scored two in the Super Copa
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Barataria - the number for today is 7.
In all seriousness been saying it, Barca looking a lil fatigued and wounded by their standards. Xavi is clearly not 100% fit, Iniesta not on top form, Villa hurt, Abidal out, Pedro is not the Pedro of last season etc... On their day they can still kill anyone of course, but the rest of the top tier football world have a better shot of beating them on any given day.
Bayern Munich next!!
Like all yuhself ;D To quote Martin in Bad Boys "I was at a family bar-q-que".
Seriously, you hit all the nails on the head. While I don't know Pep from Adam, when he started w/Cesc and Pedro on the bench I figured he was placing more emphasis on the chelsea return. But yeah, many injuries and our midfield duo had poor games by their standards. That has to be the worst Xavi performance I have ever seen, but he is entitled to a bad game.
As for Valdez, I feel he and Almunia is brothers separated at birth, been saying it for sometime, we need a better 1st keeper.
Congrats to RM, I like how all yuh counting out my side for UCL, will see how it plays itself out on Tuesday
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Messi ain score against Madrid in about four matchdes. Ronaldo on the other hand...
Sorry I thought he scored two in the Super Copa
That was so long ago, you know how much 'clasicos' it had since then? :D
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Great game..
In terms of pace, i think that must have been one of the fastest games I've seen played since Turkey v South Korea in the 2002 World Cup. Breathtaking speed, i don't think any player had more than a second to sit on the ball once the ball crossed the half line. Which made the ball control on show immaculate from both teams.
I have to say i was truly impressed by Ronaldo yesterday. Usually he disappears in big games, even if he scores he is a non-factor throughout. But this clasico he take it to dem.. It look to me like he crank his speed up a notch, he was flying down that wing faster than i've seen.. Excellently taken goal too.
Barca look off, and i think that begins with Xavi.. At their best, everything runs through Xavi in the middle but the last few games i've seen it seems the ball is being spread about much more... Even Busquets is taking advanced positions and seeing alot more of the ball which i don't think is a good thing. Also, i not sold on Alexis Sanchez at all, this side look alot more deadly up top with Villa in the front line far less when they had an out and out killer like Eto'o.. This side missing that bad.
Anyway, thanks Real Madrid for softening them up good and proper for the return leg vs Chelsea.
Disgruntled...I did the honours... ;)
http://www.youtube.com/v/aYlYanTk9RY
Is something about ah highlights in Arabic eh, dem fellahs does be over hype like i eh know what.. Andre Baptiste would fit in good over dey...
PS: DONDE ESTA DISGRUNTLED?? :devil:
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Chelsea vs Bayern- That is the Final.
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Ah rel glad fuh d RM faithful that finally get something to be happy about.....Jose deliver (finally) a La Liga title fuh dem and he have allyuh scrapin' to win a CL semi's leg......allyuh better hope metro didn't blow his "big game" load yesterday and save some in he tank fuh Wednesday. (those of you that are so eager to be impressed by him, at last, playing decent in a big game, that is.) Ah still feel BM could ressit on allyuh good and proper. :devil:
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Mango Chow, yuh know Chelsea goan lorse Tuesday, right?
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Mango Chow, yuh know Chelsea goan lorse Tuesday, right?
Toppa, yuh fuhget whenever d two ah dem playin' one another, I neutral......and when ah was growin' up, Bayern was always meh German side...........still is. So guess which is d odd man out? (is LIX in allyuh backside on Wednesday!!) :devil:
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Mango Chow, yuh know Chelsea goan lorse Tuesday, right?
I like how people makin dis out to be a foregone conclusion.......accordin to some dis woulda be done as ah contest at d bridge, wah happen den ??? lehwe jus watch and see nah.....
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Messi ain score against Madrid in about four matchdes. Ronaldo on the other hand...
Sorry I thought he scored two in the Super Copa
That was so long ago, you know how much 'clasicos' it had since then? :D
Dos, sino que está contando... ;D
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Messi ain score against Madrid in about four matchdes. Ronaldo on the other hand...
Sorry I thought he scored two in the Super Copa
That was so long ago, you know how much 'clasicos' it had since then? :D
Dos, sino que está contando... ;D
There were the two legs of the Copa del Rey, then the two league matches so 4 matches against Madrid where Messi hasn't scored but Ronaldo has. :D
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I love Marcelo, but Coentrao is a man defend with heart and responsibility boy. Kudos to the whole Madrid defense in this one and that includes the midfielders and forwards who were tracking back and pressing. Barca had no space to execute. Their only goal was real scrappy.
Bayern is pressure though. I wonder if we need Marcelo attacking instincts in that one