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USA still doesn’t get football; their loss
By Kirk A Inniss (wired868.com)
The Euro Cup is on. And at the risk of being deemed an idiot, I add, in Europe. In the heart of Brooklyn, the Caribbean Cup is off and running. Across the rest of the footballing world, there’s a sprinkling of World Cup qualifiers.
At the same time, in every nook and cranny of our regular existence, the beautiful game thrives, kept alive by sad, aging dreams and youthful hearts. Football, soccer if you will, is one sport that has over a billion fans, hardy, unwavering, safely settled in its seductive insides. My guess is that such is the power of the beautiful game, there are “summer” evening sweats taking place across the length and breadth of the planet, even in some wintry climes. I kid you not.
Sad as that may seem to those of us smitten by the bug, some countries, though, have managed to remain outside the reach of football’s powerful magic, beyond the pale. For all its potential and its pull, even in America football, or soccer—to avoid confusion, is a sport that resides way down the die-hard fans’ food chain.
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Shit article.
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Was this written 20 years ago?
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Was this written 20 years ago?
I dont think Americans will get football properly even in the next 20 years,the only people who really understand it and love it are the minorities,Latinos,West Indians,Asians and Europeans.Football hasn't got into the hearts of the people,not yet anyway.Their may be a very small percentage who try to get into it but they need schooling like they are doing at schools and colleges but the general American public minus the minorities dont care about soccer.Americans are very self centered and think that sports invented outside of America isn't worth playing or even watching,give them baseball,glorified netball(basketball)boxing,American football and athletics,oh and WWF.
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Was this written 20 years ago?
I dont think Americans will get football properly even in the next 20 years,the only people who really understand it and love it are the minorities,Latinos,West Indians,Asians and Europeans.Football hasn't got into the hearts of the people,not yet anyway.Their may be a very small percentage who try to get into it but they need schooling like they are doing at schools and colleges but the general American public minus the minorities dont care about soccer.Americans are very self centered and think that sports invented outside of America isn't worth playing or even watching,give them baseball,glorified netball(basketball)boxing,American football and athletics,oh and WWF.
In the next 20years the minorities will be the majority. It has already passed the 50% for the first time ever this year. More people play the sport the better, there are alot of signs its growing. But to be honest, I really don't care about the Yankee.
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Americans are very self centered and think that sports invented outside of America isn't worth playing or even watching,give them baseball,glorified netball(basketball)boxing,American football and athletics,oh and WWF.
Wouldn't even know where to start with this nonsense.
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I do not agree with Mr. Innis' argument. Football in the USA, while not as popular as in other countries, is growing in popularity. When the USA has world cup qualifiers, stadia are usually sold out, and the same holds true when visiting club teams such as AC Milan, Manchester United and Barcelona visit the States.
In fact, Americans actually are more vocal in their support of their national team than Trinbagonians are, where fair weatherism and waggonism abounds. In short, Mr. Innis needs to reconsider his claim.
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The writer mentioned that the USA still doesn't GET football
Yuh could have a ping pong tournament in chinatown with thousands in attendance and show it on ESPN and the masses still NOT GET it.
He is making a fair enough premise. The article isn't perfect but he said enough to get his point across.
He mentioned having Lalas as an "expert" which really is laughable.
It's a sport where a team could play excellent football but not score a goal, where they may even lose and get all the plaudits, where the main striker could play the best game of his life but miss a one on one with a keeper and his team lorse even though they controlled 75% possession.
The people that GET football will say wow good game. Yuh think the American public at large would really truly GET that ??? No they wouldn't because the game didnt have a single goal scored but the stadium could still be ram pack with people.
Most of the world that GET it will look at football as art being created, but to most Americans it's like paint drying and that is just plain boring to them.
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I have no problem with Lalas being an "expert". He has played at the highest level and has bonafide professional experience. He just needs to curb his f--king overexuberence. Just be natural. Don't try to instigate hostilities on certain players because of percieved issues some of them may have. Do I hear Balo??????
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If I was good at researching, I probably can pick up a 100 article on US football along the same vein. To be honest, the US eh get it. They have it, albeit not all the way. The US can beat many countries that had it since the 1900s. YOU CAN'T FORCE A DONKEY TO DRINK WATER IF IT DON'T WANT TO(i eh too sure BOUT THIS QUote). All the that matter to the US is that they qualify every WC. Anything else is journalistic fodder.
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Lawd, I hope they never get it. They might start beating us regular.
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Rubbish! just look at the crowds in the US for International football and that alone should tell you something. To say is only minorities makes little sense, Latinos alone is 50 million people.
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Should we care if they don't get it?
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This writer is a tun tun.
USA miles ahead than any other country in Concacaf other than Mexico and maybe Costa Rica but they surely ahead than any other Caribbean countries,,,,, on de field, off de field, club football and crowd,,,,. Etc etc.
We need to fix we house before we condemn others.
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Americans are very self centered and think that sports invented outside of America isn't worth playing or even watching,give them baseball,glorified netball(basketball)boxing,American football and athletics,oh and WWF.
Wouldn't even know where to start with this nonsense.
Ah got news for you pal Americans dont know shit bout football,as I say its only the immigrant population and their off-springs,you know very well what I mean.I would like to put that clearer,football,soccer to the Yanks has grown due to the immigrant population over the last 50 to 60 years,in 1950 when the USA beat England not one player was a bona fide American,now its the sons of immigrants.
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Americans are very self centered and think that sports invented outside of America isn't worth playing or even watching,give them baseball,glorified netball(basketball)boxing,American football and athletics,oh and WWF.
Wouldn't even know where to start with this nonsense.
Ah got news for you pal Americans dont know shit bout football,as I say its only the immigrant population and their off-springs,you know very well what I mean.I would like to put that clearer,football,soccer to the Yanks has grown due to the immigrant population over the last 50 to 60 years,in 1950 when the USA beat England not one player was a bona fide American,now its the sons of immigrants.
Organized soccer is played extensively by middle-class, non-immigrant kids. The numbers surpass other sports at youth level. You could argue that US soccer is uffering because the number of middle kids playing is so huge and the system is so geared towards pay-for-play that they don't scout immigrant players well enough. Because the sport is solo popular with the 'Yanks'.
The rest of your post is just a mess. Basketball predates netball. WWF is not a sport. Also you can't say that Americans don't like sports invented outside the US and then say they interested in boxing and athletics, that makes no sense.
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Americans are very self centered and think that sports invented outside of America isn't worth playing or even watching,give them baseball,glorified netball(basketball)boxing,American football and athletics,oh and WWF.
Wouldn't even know where to start with this nonsense.
Ah got news for you pal Americans dont know shit bout football,as I say its only the immigrant population and their off-springs,you know very well what I mean.I would like to put that clearer,football,soccer to the Yanks has grown due to the immigrant population over the last 50 to 60 years,in 1950 when the USA beat England not one player was a bona fide American,now its the sons of immigrants.
Organized soccer is played extensively by middle-class, non-immigrant kids. The numbers surpass other sports at youth level. You could argue that US soccer is uffering because the number of middle kids playing is so huge and the system is so geared towards pay-for-play that they don't scout immigrant players well enough. Because the sport is solo popular with the 'Yanks'.
The rest of your post is just a mess. Basketball predates netball. WWF is not a sport. Also you can't say that Americans don't like sports invented outside the US and then say they interested in boxing and athletics, that makes no sense.
Doh worry the sale of Lacrosse gear has increased in recent times and so to lacrosse fields are replacing soccer fields.
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... frico should also find the following tidbit instructive: the fastest growing sport in England is lacrosse.
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Lawd, I hope they never get it. They might start beating us regular.
Start ??? ???.
So what they doing to us now???
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Is it China and India's loss, too?
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Hmmm I'm wondering if the problem is critical thinking or what it could be. :-\
The writer is NOT saying that the US is not a good team, he is NOT saying that thousands do not go to games, he not saying they don't beat T&T regularly and most other teams in CONCACAF, that they do not make the World Cup every 4 years....
It is safe to deduce that he is saying that MOST of the USA do not understand the game, do not appreciate the game, do not have that passion that over a billion across the world experience and frankly couldn't care less.
Unless you live in a big city MOST of the USA couldn't care less about football, soccer, futbol, fusebol, succer, and all the different pronounciations that they say. They have little knowledge of the World Cup, even less knowledge of Euro 2012, even lesser knowledge of club football, and most never heard of CONCACAF, CONMEBOL, UEFA, etc. Those are for the die hards.
Again he NOT saying dey not good, dey can't play, dey crowds suck......so raise the level of comprehension nah.
I could safely say that 90% of people i've met have no clue of the above, but being a country of 300 million if that 90% was to hold true that could mean 30 million follow the game and fill the stands.
But that still leaves it at 90% who couldn't care less which is MOST.
GET IT NOW lol.
Side note: Ah sure there are those that will still come and reveal the amount of density that exists :laugh:
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Hmmm I'm wondering if the problem is critical thinking or what it could be. :-\
The writer is NOT saying that the US is not a good team, he is NOT saying that thousands do not go to games, he not saying they don't beat T&T regularly and most other teams in CONCACAF, that they do not make the World Cup every 4 years....
It is safe to deduce that he is saying that MOST of the USA do not understand the game, do not appreciate the game, do not have that passion that over a billion across the world experience and frankly couldn't care less.
Unless you live in a big city MOST of the USA couldn't care less about football, soccer, futbol, fusebol, succer, and all the different pronounciations that they say. They have little knowledge of the World Cup, even less knowledge of Euro 2012, even lesser knowledge of club football, and most never heard of CONCACAF, CONMEBOL, UEFA, etc. Those are for the die hards.
Again he NOT saying dey not good, dey can't play, dey crowds suck......so raise the level of comprehension nah.
I could safely say that 90% of people i've met have no clue of the above, but being a country of 300 million if that 90% was to hold true that could mean 30 million follow the game and fill the stands.
But that still leaves it at 90% who couldn't care less which is MOST.
GET IT NOW lol.
Side note: Ah sure there are those that will still come and reveal the amount of density that exists :laugh:
You have to be one deluded nannyhole to suggest that you and the writer are the only ones who "get" the article. The article is shit.. full stop. The laundry list of things that are misleading, presumptive, speculative... and just plain WRONG in this article, is too long to fully address in any great detail, but let's try to list them:
1. "(Football) is to be found near the bottom of every list of major league sporting events"
- 'every list' chronicling what? Measured by what... TV ratings? Viewership? Attendance? Participation? What exactly?
2. ESPN coverage rights "has more to do with finance than with any real desire to bring the sport to the masses."
- Really? The writer sat in on the media strategy sessions to know this? Assuming he's correct, everything is about "finance"... can the writer name one network or media outlet that broadcasts any sporting event out of a disregard of 'finance', and in favor of a greater desire to 'bring the sport to the masses'? As I said, a factoid misleadingly used in pursuit of his particular agenda. In fact it undermines his argument en toto. If there's money to be made from the broadcasts then that suggests a certain popularity of the sport, sufficient to justify ESPN's substantial investment in it. Hardly supportive of his "dying sport" argument.
3. What does having Alexi Lalas in studio have to do with a desire to "bring the sport to the masses" or lack thereof?
4. "[E]ver since the 1994 World Cup was staged in that country, [football] was on its death bed, receiving a little life support."
- I won't even touch on the poor grammar... but even focusing on the substance... what planet does this fool live on? The 1994 World Cup gave birth to the MLS, which, think what you will of the League, continues to grow and thrive, adding 4 (5?) teams in the past 3 years. In it's 16 years in existence the League has survived contraction, and now is struggling to contain growth. The League secured its first broadcast contract within the last 5-6 years, and viewership and attendance are at an all-time high.
ESPN now has Saturday and Sunday morning broadcasts of live EPL games, a development which took place in just the past 5 years. ESPN has also added occasional live broadcasts on Mondays and Tuesdays, and on ESPN Desportes as well. Fox Soccer channels numbers have been so incredible in that same period that even the regular FOX channel has begun live broadcasts of occasional games, and for the first time, every single EPL game was simulcasted on the League's final game day. Suffice to say this would not be done with a sport that isn't already popular, or which is suffering declining popularity.
Not sure what the off-target cracks at American football and basketball have to do with anything... or the side bar discussion on race for that matter. I get that the author is shooting for a bit of sarcasm perhaps, but he fails miserably in the process. When the line between sarcasm and reality is blurred beyond recognition then focus becomes lost, as one is forced to devote entirely too much effort trying to distinguish one from the other... or worse, guessing which statements belongs where.
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Hmmm I'm wondering if the problem is critical thinking or what it could be. :-\
The writer is NOT saying that the US is not a good team, he is NOT saying that thousands do not go to games, he not saying they don't beat T&T regularly and most other teams in CONCACAF, that they do not make the World Cup every 4 years....
It is safe to deduce that he is saying that MOST of the USA do not understand the game, do not appreciate the game, do not have that passion that over a billion across the world experience and frankly couldn't care less.
Unless you live in a big city MOST of the USA couldn't care less about football, soccer, futbol, fusebol, succer, and all the different pronounciations that they say. They have little knowledge of the World Cup, even less knowledge of Euro 2012, even lesser knowledge of club football, and most never heard of CONCACAF, CONMEBOL, UEFA, etc. Those are for the die hards.
Again he NOT saying dey not good, dey can't play, dey crowds suck......so raise the level of comprehension nah.
I could safely say that 90% of people i've met have no clue of the above, but being a country of 300 million if that 90% was to hold true that could mean 30 million follow the game and fill the stands.
But that still leaves it at 90% who couldn't care less which is MOST.
GET IT NOW lol.
Side note: Ah sure there are those that will still come and reveal the amount of density that exists :laugh:
You have to be one deluded nannyhole to suggest that you and the writer are the only ones who "get" the article. The article is shit.. full stop. The laundry list of things that are misleading, presumptive, speculative... and just plain WRONG in this article, is too long to fully address in any great detail, but let's try to list them:
1. "(Football) is to be found near the bottom of every list of major league sporting events"
- 'every list' chronicling what? Measured by what... TV ratings? Viewership? Attendance? Participation? What exactly?
2. ESPN coverage rights "has more to do with finance than with any real desire to bring the sport to the masses."
- Really? The writer sat in on the media strategy sessions to know this? Assuming he's correct, everything is about "finance"... can the writer name one network or media outlet that broadcasts any sporting event out of a disregard of 'finance', and in favor of a greater desire to 'bring the sport to the masses'? As I said, a factoid misleadingly used in pursuit of his particular agenda. In fact it undermines his argument en toto. If there's money to be made from the broadcasts then that suggests a certain popularity of the sport, sufficient to justify ESPN's substantial investment in it. Hardly supportive of his "dying sport" argument.
3. What does having Alexi Lalas in studio have to do with a desire to "bring the sport to the masses" or lack thereof?
4. "[E]ver since the 1994 World Cup was staged in that country, [football] was on its death bed, receiving a little life support."
- I won't even touch on the poor grammar... but even focusing on the substance... what planet does this fool live on? The 1994 World Cup gave birth to the MLS, which, think what you will of the League, continues to grow and thrive, adding 4 (5?) teams in the past 3 years. In it's 16 years in existence the League has survived contraction, and now is struggling to contain growth. The League secured its first broadcast contract within the last 5-6 years, and viewership and attendance are at an all-time high.
ESPN now has Saturday and Sunday morning broadcasts of live EPL games, a development which took place in just the past 5 years. ESPN has also added occasional live broadcasts on Mondays and Tuesdays, and on ESPN Desportes as well. Fox Soccer channels numbers have been so incredible in that same period that even the regular FOX channel has begun live broadcasts of occasional games, and for the first time, every single EPL game was simulcasted on the League's final game day. Suffice to say this would not be done with a sport that isn't already popular, or which is suffering declining popularity.
Not sure what the off-target cracks at American football and basketball have to do with anything... or the side bar discussion on race for that matter. I get that the author is shooting for a bit of sarcasm perhaps, but he fails miserably in the process. When the line between sarcasm and reality is blurred beyond recognition then focus becomes lost, as one is forced to devote entirely too much effort trying to distinguish one from the other... or worse, guessing which statements belongs where.
LOL you still like name calling ::)....when you start off like that yuh think yuh sound more intelligent than the writer you're criticizing?
What you say changes nothing. Majority of the US don't GET IT.
Yuh could jump high, jump low, talk bout yuh nannyhole...it changes nothing.
I could easily bet you $10,000 that I could walk into any Starbucks, any Books-A-Million, any Walmart at random and ask 100 people about EURO 2012 and who are the teams, ask them to name 5 players from the US soccer team (their national team) that played Guatemala and would be lucky to find 10 people out of 100 who could answer those questions. THAT is what the writer getting at. They not that interested. PERIOD.
No matter what ESPN showing all day all night means nothing. ESPN showed strong man tournaments and other crappy programming and I couldn't name one so called strong man neither could most of the US.
The writer may have brought up all kinda unnecessary "facts" but he was never talking about the US team or their exploits but about Americans in general and there is no real argument that the masses aren't interested.
So quit with your name calling because I could come up with names too but what would that prove ???
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LOL you still like name calling ::)....when you start off like that yuh think yuh sound more intelligent than the writer you're criticizing?
What you say changes nothing. Majority of the US don't GET IT.
Yuh could jump high, jump low, talk bout yuh nannyhole...it changes nothing.
I could easily bet you $10,000 that I could walk into any Starbucks, any Books-A-Million, any Walmart at random and ask 100 people about EURO 2012 and who are the teams, ask them to name 5 players from the US soccer team (their national team) that played Guatemala and would be lucky to find 10 people out of 100 who could answer those questions. THAT is what the writer getting at. They not that interested. PERIOD.
No matter what ESPN showing all day all night means nothing. ESPN showed strong man tournaments and other crappy programming and I couldn't name one so called strong man neither could most of the US.
The writer may have brought up all kinda unnecessary "facts" but he was never talking about the US team or their exploits but about Americans in general and there is no real argument that the masses aren't interested.
So quit with your name calling because I could come up with names too but what would that prove ???
I sound no less "intelligent" than you did by your ridiculously presumptive statement about people's understanding of the article. You insist on focusing on the very minor point that most Americans don't follow football, while conveniently ignoring the larger point made in the article that interest in the sport is diminishing almost to the point of it being non-existent.
The author said NOTHING of "the majority of the US don't get it"... he said "USA still doesn’t get football" direct quote. You might want to familiarize yourself with either English, or a good reading comprehension book before you start questioning people's understanding.
You could walk into any Hi-Lo, ScotiaBank or rum shop and ask 100 people to name 5 players from the Soca Warrior team that lost to Guyana in the qualifiers and you would struggle to find the same 10 to answer correctly. So I'm not sure what this nonsense survey of yours would prove, except that Trinis must not "get" football either.
ESPN's increase broadcast reflects growing interest in the sport... quite the contrary to what is stated in the article. But then again, it's clear that you self eh understand what's stated in the article, so no surprise that point is lost on you.
No one has suggested that the writer was talking about the US team and its exploits. Yuh sure yuh read the comments here... and understand them?
Try yuh best and come up with names if yuh want... they might actually make more sense than the shit yuh posting right now.
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For me a key road block for Football becoming popular in the US is advertizing dollars. The author, even though he didn't point to it directly, made the point. American Football, Golf, Baseball, Basket Ball, Volley Ball, Tennis, on and on allows interruption for the prime reason of selling commercial product to viewers, front and center. Football does not lend itself to that. If it did they'll be all over it.
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For me a key road block for Football becoming popular in the US is advertizing dollars. The author, even though he didn't point to it directly, made the point. American Football, Golf, Baseball, Basket Ball, Volley Ball, Tennis, on and on allows interruption for the prime reason of selling commercial product to viewers, front and center. Football does not lend itself to that. If it did they'll be all over it.
Preacher, there are tons of ways to sell ads without in-game dollars... "official sponsorships" watermarks on the viewing screen, strategically-placed banners and logos... along with sponsorship of the half-time show (ala "the Lexus halftime report for the NBA), and commercial ads during halftime.
The problem isn't unique to the US. Other broadcasters around the world are faced with the same problem of selling ads on a broadcast that cannot be interrupted except at halftime and have figured it out. ESPN, Fox Soccer et all don't have to reinvent the wheel when it comes to this, all they have to do is copy the template already set... which they have done.
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Trinimassive has explained the argument very factual and everyone should understand what he has explained,there is no need to quote it,please read it again...the man couldn't be more right.I have had the unfortunate experience of speaking to Americans on quite a few occassions and I have purposely brought up the game of football,soccer to them,suffice it to say they know nothing.When they staged the WC in94 Americans were interviewd by BBC,not one could actually say what was going on,one American said,"some kind of world soccer is taking place",it was a laugh and an insult to football loving people.When USA beat TT in November 89 less than 1% viewed it in the US by delayed transmission and they were obviously the immigrant population and their off springs.
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Americans are very self centered and think that sports invented outside of America isn't worth playing or even watching,give them baseball,glorified netball(basketball)boxing,American football and athletics,oh and WWF.
Wouldn't even know where to start with this nonsense.
Ah got news for you pal Americans dont know shit bout football,as I say its only the immigrant population and their off-springs,you know very well what I mean.I would like to put that clearer,football,soccer to the Yanks has grown due to the immigrant population over the last 50 to 60 years,in 1950 when the USA beat England not one player was a bona fide American,now its the sons of immigrants.
Frico, what is a bona fide American.
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LOL you still like name calling ::)....when you start off like that yuh think yuh sound more intelligent than the writer you're criticizing?
What you say changes nothing. Majority of the US don't GET IT.
Yuh could jump high, jump low, talk bout yuh nannyhole...it changes nothing.
I could easily bet you $10,000 that I could walk into any Starbucks, any Books-A-Million, any Walmart at random and ask 100 people about EURO 2012 and who are the teams, ask them to name 5 players from the US soccer team (their national team) that played Guatemala and would be lucky to find 10 people out of 100 who could answer those questions. THAT is what the writer getting at. They not that interested. PERIOD.
No matter what ESPN showing all day all night means nothing. ESPN showed strong man tournaments and other crappy programming and I couldn't name one so called strong man neither could most of the US.
The writer may have brought up all kinda unnecessary "facts" but he was never talking about the US team or their exploits but about Americans in general and there is no real argument that the masses aren't interested.
So quit with your name calling because I could come up with names too but what would that prove ???
I sound no less "intelligent" than you did by your ridiculously presumptive statement about people's understanding of the article. You insist on focusing on the very minor point that most Americans don't follow football, while conveniently ignoring the larger point made in the article that interest in the sport is diminishing almost to the point of it being non-existent.
The author said NOTHING of "the majority of the US don't get it"... he said "USA still doesn’t get football" direct quote. You might want to familiarize yourself with either English, or a good reading comprehension book before you start questioning people's understanding.
You could walk into any Hi-Lo, ScotiaBank or rum shop and ask 100 people to name 5 players from the Soca Warrior team that lost to Guyana in the qualifiers and you would struggle to find the same 10 to answer correctly. So I'm not sure what this nonsense survey of yours would prove, except that Trinis must not "get" football either.
ESPN's increase broadcast reflects growing interest in the sport... quite the contrary to what is stated in the article. But then again, it's clear that you self eh understand what's stated in the article, so no surprise that point is lost on you.
No one has suggested that the writer was talking about the US team and its exploits. Yuh sure yuh read the comments here... and understand them?
Try yuh best and come up with names if yuh want... they might actually make more sense than the shit yuh posting right now.
STEUPS. You just like to argue yes.
You say something & figure is lawyer time, "I saying something and I sticking to it EVERYTIME REGARDLESS"
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LOL you still like name calling ::)....when you start off like that yuh think yuh sound more intelligent than the writer you're criticizing?
What you say changes nothing. Majority of the US don't GET IT.
Yuh could jump high, jump low, talk bout yuh nannyhole...it changes nothing.
I could easily bet you $10,000 that I could walk into any Starbucks, any Books-A-Million, any Walmart at random and ask 100 people about EURO 2012 and who are the teams, ask them to name 5 players from the US soccer team (their national team) that played Guatemala and would be lucky to find 10 people out of 100 who could answer those questions. THAT is what the writer getting at. They not that interested. PERIOD.
No matter what ESPN showing all day all night means nothing. ESPN showed strong man tournaments and other crappy programming and I couldn't name one so called strong man neither could most of the US.
The writer may have brought up all kinda unnecessary "facts" but he was never talking about the US team or their exploits but about Americans in general and there is no real argument that the masses aren't interested.
So quit with your name calling because I could come up with names too but what would that prove ???
I sound no less "intelligent" than you did by your ridiculously presumptive statement about people's understanding of the article. You insist on focusing on the very minor point that most Americans don't follow football, while conveniently ignoring the larger point made in the article that interest in the sport is diminishing almost to the point of it being non-existent.
The author said NOTHING of "the majority of the US don't get it"... he said "USA still doesn’t get football" direct quote. You might want to familiarize yourself with either English, or a good reading comprehension book before you start questioning people's understanding.
You could walk into any Hi-Lo, ScotiaBank or rum shop and ask 100 people to name 5 players from the Soca Warrior team that lost to Guyana in the qualifiers and you would struggle to find the same 10 to answer correctly. So I'm not sure what this nonsense survey of yours would prove, except that Trinis must not "get" football either.
ESPN's increase broadcast reflects growing interest in the sport... quite the contrary to what is stated in the article. But then again, it's clear that you self eh understand what's stated in the article, so no surprise that point is lost on you.
No one has suggested that the writer was talking about the US team and its exploits. Yuh sure yuh read the comments here... and understand them?
Try yuh best and come up with names if yuh want... they might actually make more sense than the shit yuh posting right now.
STEUPS. You just like to argue yes.
You say something & figure is lawyer time, "I saying something and I sticking to it EVERYTIME REGARDLESS"
Actually, you could ask any 100 Trinis to name 5 Pro League teams and you would struggle. I know this because I actually did a survey in 2010 concerning North East. Obviously, it was a shock to me that Trinis (even those wearing EPL and La Liga football shirts) didn't know the names of the (at that time) 10 professional clubs.
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LOL you still like name calling ::)....when you start off like that yuh think yuh sound more intelligent than the writer you're criticizing?
What you say changes nothing. Majority of the US don't GET IT.
Yuh could jump high, jump low, talk bout yuh nannyhole...it changes nothing.
I could easily bet you $10,000 that I could walk into any Starbucks, any Books-A-Million, any Walmart at random and ask 100 people about EURO 2012 and who are the teams, ask them to name 5 players from the US soccer team (their national team) that played Guatemala and would be lucky to find 10 people out of 100 who could answer those questions. THAT is what the writer getting at. They not that interested. PERIOD.
No matter what ESPN showing all day all night means nothing. ESPN showed strong man tournaments and other crappy programming and I couldn't name one so called strong man neither could most of the US.
The writer may have brought up all kinda unnecessary "facts" but he was never talking about the US team or their exploits but about Americans in general and there is no real argument that the masses aren't interested.
So quit with your name calling because I could come up with names too but what would that prove ???
I sound no less "intelligent" than you did by your ridiculously presumptive statement about people's understanding of the article. You insist on focusing on the very minor point that most Americans don't follow football, while conveniently ignoring the larger point made in the article that interest in the sport is diminishing almost to the point of it being non-existent.
The author said NOTHING of "the majority of the US don't get it"... he said "USA still doesn’t get football" direct quote. You might want to familiarize yourself with either English, or a good reading comprehension book before you start questioning people's understanding.
You could walk into any Hi-Lo, ScotiaBank or rum shop and ask 100 people to name 5 players from the Soca Warrior team that lost to Guyana in the qualifiers and you would struggle to find the same 10 to answer correctly. So I'm not sure what this nonsense survey of yours would prove, except that Trinis must not "get" football either.
ESPN's increase broadcast reflects growing interest in the sport... quite the contrary to what is stated in the article. But then again, it's clear that you self eh understand what's stated in the article, so no surprise that point is lost on you.
No one has suggested that the writer was talking about the US team and its exploits. Yuh sure yuh read the comments here... and understand them?
Try yuh best and come up with names if yuh want... they might actually make more sense than the shit yuh posting right now.
STEUPS. You just like to argue yes.
You say something & figure is lawyer time, "I saying something and I sticking to it EVERYTIME REGARDLESS"
Actually, you could ask any 100 Trinis to name 5 Pro League teams and you would struggle. I know this because I actually did a survey in 2010 concerning North East. Obviously, it was a shock to me that Trinis (even those wearing EPL and La Liga football shirts) didn't know the names of the (at that time) 10 professional clubs.
Well unlike Americans who most of them don't get football and not interested, most of T&T just not interested in the Pro League PERIOD.
But like ah say in another thread, T&T doh properly advertise anything.
Last week I had at least 6 people ask me where Trinidad was, one ask if it in Africa, another ask if it was Trinidad in Colorado (despite having an obvious accent, which is why they asked in the first place) the other 4 just had no clue.
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LOL you still like name calling ::)....when you start off like that yuh think yuh sound more intelligent than the writer you're criticizing?
What you say changes nothing. Majority of the US don't GET IT.
Yuh could jump high, jump low, talk bout yuh nannyhole...it changes nothing.
I could easily bet you $10,000 that I could walk into any Starbucks, any Books-A-Million, any Walmart at random and ask 100 people about EURO 2012 and who are the teams, ask them to name 5 players from the US soccer team (their national team) that played Guatemala and would be lucky to find 10 people out of 100 who could answer those questions. THAT is what the writer getting at. They not that interested. PERIOD.
No matter what ESPN showing all day all night means nothing. ESPN showed strong man tournaments and other crappy programming and I couldn't name one so called strong man neither could most of the US.
The writer may have brought up all kinda unnecessary "facts" but he was never talking about the US team or their exploits but about Americans in general and there is no real argument that the masses aren't interested.
So quit with your name calling because I could come up with names too but what would that prove ???
I sound no less "intelligent" than you did by your ridiculously presumptive statement about people's understanding of the article. You insist on focusing on the very minor point that most Americans don't follow football, while conveniently ignoring the larger point made in the article that interest in the sport is diminishing almost to the point of it being non-existent.
The author said NOTHING of "the majority of the US don't get it"... he said "USA still doesn’t get football" direct quote. You might want to familiarize yourself with either English, or a good reading comprehension book before you start questioning people's understanding.
You could walk into any Hi-Lo, ScotiaBank or rum shop and ask 100 people to name 5 players from the Soca Warrior team that lost to Guyana in the qualifiers and you would struggle to find the same 10 to answer correctly. So I'm not sure what this nonsense survey of yours would prove, except that Trinis must not "get" football either.
ESPN's increase broadcast reflects growing interest in the sport... quite the contrary to what is stated in the article. But then again, it's clear that you self eh understand what's stated in the article, so no surprise that point is lost on you.
No one has suggested that the writer was talking about the US team and its exploits. Yuh sure yuh read the comments here... and understand them?
Try yuh best and come up with names if yuh want... they might actually make more sense than the shit yuh posting right now.
STEUPS. You just like to argue yes.
You say something & figure is lawyer time, "I saying something and I sticking to it EVERYTIME REGARDLESS"
Actually, you could ask any 100 Trinis to name 5 Pro League teams and you would struggle. I know this because I actually did a survey in 2010 concerning North East. Obviously, it was a shock to me that Trinis (even those wearing EPL and La Liga football shirts) didn't know the names of the (at that time) 10 professional clubs.
Well unlike Americans who most of them don't get football and not interested, most of T&T just not interested in the Pro League PERIOD.
But like ah say in another thread, T&T doh properly advertise anything.
Last week I had at least 6 people ask me where Trinidad was, one ask if it in Africa, another ask if it was Trinidad in Colorado (despite having an obvious accent, which is why they asked in the first place) the other 4 just had no clue.
I wouldn't say that advertising, or lack thereof, has anything to do with that.....that's just plain old ignorance! I don't mean to make sweeping generalisations, but Americans are some of the most ignorant people I've ever met.....ignorant of world geography, ignorant of world politics, ignorant of most things unrelated to the USA....I call it ignorance, but it may just as well be apathy...who knows..
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I wouldn't say that advertising, or lack thereof, has anything to do with that.....that's just plain old ignorance! I don't mean to make sweeping generalisations, but Americans are some of the most ignorant people I've ever met.....ignorant of world geography, ignorant of world politics, ignorant of most things unrelated to the USA....I call it ignorance, but it may just as well be apathy...who knows..
If yuh go outside right now and put yuh ear to the ground, that faint rumbling sound yuh hearin is TT, Bakes and the ghost of John Wayne ridin fuh yuh
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LOL you still like name calling ::)....when you start off like that yuh think yuh sound more intelligent than the writer you're criticizing?
What you say changes nothing. Majority of the US don't GET IT.
Yuh could jump high, jump low, talk bout yuh nannyhole...it changes nothing.
I could easily bet you $10,000 that I could walk into any Starbucks, any Books-A-Million, any Walmart at random and ask 100 people about EURO 2012 and who are the teams, ask them to name 5 players from the US soccer team (their national team) that played Guatemala and would be lucky to find 10 people out of 100 who could answer those questions. THAT is what the writer getting at. They not that interested. PERIOD.
No matter what ESPN showing all day all night means nothing. ESPN showed strong man tournaments and other crappy programming and I couldn't name one so called strong man neither could most of the US.
The writer may have brought up all kinda unnecessary "facts" but he was never talking about the US team or their exploits but about Americans in general and there is no real argument that the masses aren't interested.
So quit with your name calling because I could come up with names too but what would that prove ???
I sound no less "intelligent" than you did by your ridiculously presumptive statement about people's understanding of the article. You insist on focusing on the very minor point that most Americans don't follow football, while conveniently ignoring the larger point made in the article that interest in the sport is diminishing almost to the point of it being non-existent.
The author said NOTHING of "the majority of the US don't get it"... he said "USA still doesn’t get football" direct quote. You might want to familiarize yourself with either English, or a good reading comprehension book before you start questioning people's understanding.
You could walk into any Hi-Lo, ScotiaBank or rum shop and ask 100 people to name 5 players from the Soca Warrior team that lost to Guyana in the qualifiers and you would struggle to find the same 10 to answer correctly. So I'm not sure what this nonsense survey of yours would prove, except that Trinis must not "get" football either.
ESPN's increase broadcast reflects growing interest in the sport... quite the contrary to what is stated in the article. But then again, it's clear that you self eh understand what's stated in the article, so no surprise that point is lost on you.
No one has suggested that the writer was talking about the US team and its exploits. Yuh sure yuh read the comments here... and understand them?
Try yuh best and come up with names if yuh want... they might actually make more sense than the shit yuh posting right now.
STEUPS. You just like to argue yes.
You say something & figure is lawyer time, "I saying something and I sticking to it EVERYTIME REGARDLESS"
Actually, you could ask any 100 Trinis to name 5 Pro League teams and you would struggle. I know this because I actually did a survey in 2010 concerning North East. Obviously, it was a shock to me that Trinis (even those wearing EPL and La Liga football shirts) didn't know the names of the (at that time) 10 professional clubs.
Well unlike Americans who most of them don't get football and not interested, most of T&T just not interested in the Pro League PERIOD.
But like ah say in another thread, T&T doh properly advertise anything.
Last week I had at least 6 people ask me where Trinidad was, one ask if it in Africa, another ask if it was Trinidad in Colorado (despite having an obvious accent, which is why they asked in the first place) the other 4 just had no clue.
I wouldn't say that advertising, or lack thereof, has anything to do with that.....that's just plain old ignorance! I don't mean to make sweeping generalisations, but Americans are some of the most ignorant people I've ever met.....ignorant of world geography, ignorant of world politics, ignorant of most things unrelated to the USA....I call it ignorance, but it may just as well be apathy...who knows..
My sister lives near Memphis and we met some people for dinner at The Peabody. One well to do lady asked me what I thought of the new Pyramid. I said that I thought it was very apt. She look puzzled and asked why it was apt, so I said that it reflected the history of the original Memphis in Egypt and the pyramids there. She said "There's another Memphis?"
Now surely people are taught about their own cities and how they were named etc? I mean USA is covered in towns and cities named after the hometowns of the original settlers.
But to be fair, how many Trinis could point to Namibia or Lesotho on a map? I'm damn sure most English people couldn't.
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My sister lives near Memphis and we met some people for dinner at The Peabody. One well to do lady asked me what I thought of the new Pyramid. I said that I thought it was very apt. She look puzzled and asked why it was apt, so I said that it reflected the history of the original Memphis in Egypt and the pyramids there. She said "There's another Memphis?"
Now surely people are taught about their own cities and how they were named etc? I mean USA is covered in towns and cities named after the hometowns of the original settlers.
But to be fair, how many Trinis could point to Namibia or Lesotho on a map? I'm damn sure most English people couldn't.
You would be surprised by how many can.
try this test allyuh
http://www.travelpod.com/traveler-iq
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My sister lives near Memphis and we met some people for dinner at The Peabody. One well to do lady asked me what I thought of the new Pyramid. I said that I thought it was very apt. She look puzzled and asked why it was apt, so I said that it reflected the history of the original Memphis in Egypt and the pyramids there. She said "There's another Memphis?"
Now surely people are taught about their own cities and how they were named etc? I mean USA is covered in towns and cities named after the hometowns of the original settlers.
But to be fair, how many Trinis could point to Namibia or Lesotho on a map? I'm damn sure most English people couldn't.
You would be surprised by how many can.
try this test allyuh
http://www.travelpod.com/traveler-iq
Like that app...but its tough! I was doing ok until I put the flag in the wrong continent...missed by 17,000 miles lol
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I wouldn't say that advertising, or lack thereof, has anything to do with that.....that's just plain old ignorance! I don't mean to make sweeping generalisations, but Americans are some of the most ignorant people I've ever met.....ignorant of world geography, ignorant of world politics, ignorant of most things unrelated to the USA....I call it ignorance, but it may just as well be apathy...who knows..
If yuh go outside right now and put yuh ear to the ground, that faint rumbling sound yuh hearin is TT, Bakes and the ghost of John Wayne ridin fuh yuh
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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LOL you still like name calling ::)....when you start off like that yuh think yuh sound more intelligent than the writer you're criticizing?
What you say changes nothing. Majority of the US don't GET IT.
Yuh could jump high, jump low, talk bout yuh nannyhole...it changes nothing.
I could easily bet you $10,000 that I could walk into any Starbucks, any Books-A-Million, any Walmart at random and ask 100 people about EURO 2012 and who are the teams, ask them to name 5 players from the US soccer team (their national team) that played Guatemala and would be lucky to find 10 people out of 100 who could answer those questions. THAT is what the writer getting at. They not that interested. PERIOD.
No matter what ESPN showing all day all night means nothing. ESPN showed strong man tournaments and other crappy programming and I couldn't name one so called strong man neither could most of the US.
The writer may have brought up all kinda unnecessary "facts" but he was never talking about the US team or their exploits but about Americans in general and there is no real argument that the masses aren't interested.
So quit with your name calling because I could come up with names too but what would that prove ???
I sound no less "intelligent" than you did by your ridiculously presumptive statement about people's understanding of the article. You insist on focusing on the very minor point that most Americans don't follow football, while conveniently ignoring the larger point made in the article that interest in the sport is diminishing almost to the point of it being non-existent.
The author said NOTHING of "the majority of the US don't get it"... he said "USA still doesn’t get football" direct quote. You might want to familiarize yourself with either English, or a good reading comprehension book before you start questioning people's understanding.
You could walk into any Hi-Lo, ScotiaBank or rum shop and ask 100 people to name 5 players from the Soca Warrior team that lost to Guyana in the qualifiers and you would struggle to find the same 10 to answer correctly. So I'm not sure what this nonsense survey of yours would prove, except that Trinis must not "get" football either.
ESPN's increase broadcast reflects growing interest in the sport... quite the contrary to what is stated in the article. But then again, it's clear that you self eh understand what's stated in the article, so no surprise that point is lost on you.
No one has suggested that the writer was talking about the US team and its exploits. Yuh sure yuh read the comments here... and understand them?
Try yuh best and come up with names if yuh want... they might actually make more sense than the shit yuh posting right now.
STEUPS. You just like to argue yes.
You say something & figure is lawyer time, "I saying something and I sticking to it EVERYTIME REGARDLESS"
Actually, you could ask any 100 Trinis to name 5 Pro League teams and you would struggle. I know this because I actually did a survey in 2010 concerning North East. Obviously, it was a shock to me that Trinis (even those wearing EPL and La Liga football shirts) didn't know the names of the (at that time) 10 professional clubs.
Can you blame them though, you never sure who in the league cause some team joining in the middle of the season and one dropping out every other week.
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You would be surprised by how many can.
try this test allyuh
http://www.travelpod.com/traveler-iq
Like that app...but its tough! I was doing ok until I put the flag in the wrong continent...missed by 17,000 miles lol
How much yuh get...
I do alright...
(http://oi45.tinypic.com/5o5tm0.jpg)
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Americans are very self centered and think that sports invented outside of America isn't worth playing or even watching,give them baseball,glorified netball(basketball)boxing,American football and athletics,oh and WWF.
Wouldn't even know where to start with this nonsense.
Ah got news for you pal Americans dont know shit bout football,as I say its only the immigrant population and their off-springs,you know very well what I mean.I would like to put that clearer,football,soccer to the Yanks has grown due to the immigrant population over the last 50 to 60 years,in 1950 when the USA beat England not one player was a bona fide American,now its the sons of immigrants.
You talk so much shit it eh funny. It quite tiring. I think whatever comes into your pin head you decide to spout as fact!
Listen dim wit
USA 1950 tam that beat England:
GK Frank Borghi …Born in the USA
DF Harry Keough …Born in the USA
DF Joe Maca.. Born in Belgium
MF Walter Bahr MF…Born in the USA
Ed McIlvenny …Born in Scotland
MF Charlie Colombo …Born in the USA
FW Frank Wallace Born in the USA
FW Gino Pariani ..Born in the USA
FW Joe Gaetjens FW Born in Haiti
John Souza FW Born in the USA Named as one of the world's best by brazil's leading sports papers too!
Ed Souza Born in the USA
Now what dumb asshole?
In fact ka-ka hole...These United States of America has a fantastically rich and varied soccer history.
Football was played here as early as the 1860s—American football partly grew out of it—and threatened to become a major sport in the early 20th century, when basketball was still young game. (The first basketballs, in fact, were footballs cunnie wax.)
Chicago to St. Louis to Boston had professional teams, leagues, intra-city rivalries, and local stars. The country's oldest competition, the U.S. Open Cup, has been running since 1914.
Archie Stark, who played for Bethlehem Steel in the 1920s, was one of the greatest pure scorers of his day, in any country. Behind stars like Billy Gonsalves and Bert Patenaude, Team USA finished third at the first World Cup, and beat England in 1950 in what's widely seen as the biggest upset in World Cup history.
SO Biatch, pull your head out your asshole and take a breath...fart is not breeze!
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Americans are very self centered and think that sports invented outside of America isn't worth playing or even watching,give them baseball,glorified netball(basketball)boxing,American football and athletics,oh and WWF.
Wouldn't even know where to start with this nonsense.
Ah got news for you pal Americans dont know shit bout football,as I say its only the immigrant population and their off-springs,you know very well what I mean.I would like to put that clearer,football,soccer to the Yanks has grown due to the immigrant population over the last 50 to 60 years,in 1950 when the USA beat England not one player was a bona fide American,now its the sons of immigrants.
America is a land of immigrants breds so dat is asshole talk. Only bonifide americans are native indians. So off de bat yuh argument is shit. Middle and upper class children not born of first and second generation immigrants play football in america normel. Most clinics and clubs meet at times that the average immigrant have no clue how to maneuver around because every man jack wukkin dem hours and the cost is often either out of range or necessitates cutting from somewhere else to afford. So while it isn't the main sport to talk as if is only because of first and second generation current immigrants that it taking off is a gross misrepresentation of facts.
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For me a key road block for Football becoming popular in the US is advertizing dollars. The author, even though he didn't point to it directly, made the point. American Football, Golf, Baseball, Basket Ball, Volley Ball, Tennis, on and on allows interruption for the prime reason of selling commercial product to viewers, front and center. Football does not lend itself to that. If it did they'll be all over it.
Preacher, there are tons of ways to sell ads without in-game dollars... "official sponsorships" watermarks on the viewing screen, strategically-placed banners and logos... along with sponsorship of the half-time show (ala "the Lexus halftime report for the NBA), and commercial ads during halftime.
The problem isn't unique to the US. Other broadcasters around the world are faced with the same problem of selling ads on a broadcast that cannot be interrupted except at halftime and have figured it out. ESPN, Fox Soccer et all don't have to reinvent the wheel when it comes to this, all they have to do is copy the template already set... which they have done.
Yeah I see your point. But I'm not sure one size fits all when it comes to commercialized sports in America. Here's why. Freud had an American Cousin named Edward Bernays who in short is accredited for developing a process of systematic brainwash adopted by all major industries in his time. His ideas became the breast milk of what is known today as effective PR. To sum up his view, (which again is the bedrock philosophy for major industry and commerce in America) the masses can and must be told what to like. If this is true, and I believe it is in American culture, how is a football market as great as this being ignored? There is a lot of money to be made in 'soccer' more than Football. So why isn't the American public being sold soccer like they are being sold everything else? Seems like a glass ceiling is set and it's tied to advertizing dollars.
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Yeah I see your point. But I'm not sure one size fits all when it comes to commercialized sports in America. Here's why. Freud had an American Cousin named Edward Bernays who in short is accredited for developing a process of systematic brainwash adopted by all major industries in his time. His ideas became the breast milk of what is known today as effective PR. To sum up his view, (which again is the bedrock philosophy for major industry and commerce in America) the masses can and must be told what to like. If this is true, and I believe it is in American culture, how is a football market as great as this being ignored? There is a lot of money to be made in 'soccer' more than Football. So why isn't the American public being sold soccer like they are being sold everything else? Seems like a glass ceiling is set and it's tied to advertizing dollars.
But the market isn't being ignored. It was in the past because there wasn't as solid an appreciation for the sport as there is now.... but the market is not only alive, it is growing... by ANY objective measure:
Establishment of a domestic professional league
Thriving domestic league, home grown players
Expansion of the league
Improvement of the national teams
Growth in spectator interest in the men's game (not true of the WPL)
Expansion in youth participation
Corporate sponsorship of professional and national teams
Broader coverage of the sport nationally
... not sure how any right-thinking person could even say that interest in the sport isn't growing... or in your case, that the market is being ignored.
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Then the yute leagues does make all that money for the gear companys. It is absolutely amazing. But somebody mentioned lacrosse. That is slowly or rapidly(depending on who you talking) making it prescence felt on the sports scence. The uniform and equipment companies love it. Is sports. More sports, less mischeive.
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Just for Michael-J and Dutty.
Is dem dumb and ignorant Americans that gave the world
1. Internet so allyuh could talk shit to de world siting at home
2. Lasers
3 Satellites
4. MRI's
5. All dem movies yuh love so much
6. All dem commercial aircraft yuh does fly on
7. Put a man on the moon
8. de light bulbs in yuh damn house
9. The Atom Bomb
10. The Sextant that the Fatel Razack use to bring allyuh foreparents to T&T
11. All em video games allyuh love to play
12. The oil wells dat bring T&T plenty cash
13. The motor cycle
14. Toiet paper to wipe allyuh arse if not for yanks allyuh still using razor grass
15 The artificial heart
16. Bubble gum so allyuh could use allyuh mouths for something other tahn talking shit
17. Microwave
18 Remote control
19 The LED
20 Apple and Microsoft comes from where agin?
21 GPS so some ah allyuh could find allyuh ass and not mistake it for allyuh elbow
Many, many more...unparralled in the world..without the GREAT and MIGHTY USA This would be a shit planet run by people like Jack Warner and Canadians
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But the market isn't being ignored. It was in the past because there wasn't as solid an appreciation for the sport as there is now.... but the market is not only alive, it is growing... by ANY objective measure:
Establishment of a domestic professional league
Thriving domestic league, home grown players
Expansion of the league
Improvement of the national teams
Growth in spectator interest in the men's game (not true of the WPL)
Expansion in youth participation
Corporate sponsorship of professional and national teams
Broader coverage of the sport nationally
... not sure how any right-thinking person could even say that interest in the sport isn't growing... or in your case, that the market is being ignored.
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There is no doubt that the sport is growing, heck the sport was growing since Pele was with Cosmos, when Becks was with LA. Remember the big buzz about how Beckham would change the face of the game in America? Growth in a sport doesn't determine if its going to be front and center. Companies that advertise determine that. For the greatest sport in the world to be so minimized by a 1st world country means that it is being ignored. Just watch your TV and the coverage. Advertisers money are tied up by their 1st tier sport, Football and that is what they are pushing. You'll see poker front and center for no reason before you see soccer. Why? Poker and Lacrosse wouldn't ruin the market for their other big sporting brands. But Soccer will kill the NFL if given a chance. Soccer is so popular all over the USA but it's been given chair 5 or 6 and it will remain that way until the MNT win something really big and if then.
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There is no doubt that the sport is growing, heck the sport was growing since Pele was with Cosmos, when Becks was with LA. Remember the big buzz about how Beckham would change the face of the game in America? Growth in a sport doesn't determine if its going to be front and center. Companies that advertise determine that. For the greatest sport in the world to be so minimized by a 1st world country means that it is being ignored. Just watch your TV and the coverage. Advertisers money are tied up by their 1st tier sport, Football and that is what they are pushing. You'll see poker front and center for no reason before you see soccer. Why? Poker and Lacrosse wouldn't ruin the market for their other big sporting brands. But Soccer will kill the NFL if given a chance. Soccer is so popular all over the USA but it's been given chair 5 or 6 and it will remain that way until the MNT win something really big and if then.
Nah Preacher... there is so much that yuh say that ent making sense, or just wrong here. Football hasn't been growing since Pele and the Cosmos... in fact it was nearly dead after that. Not only did the NASL fail, but for a time the only real professional presence the sport had in the US was MISL (Major Indoor Soccer League). It took the 1994 WC to revive serious interest and demonstrate to advertisers that the sport could make money.
Then yuh say is advertising revenue that makes a sport number 1??? Advertising didn't make the NFL number one in the US, fan interest did. Fan interest then sold advertisers on the sport. You putting de egg before de chicken. Advertisers not throwing money behind ah unpopular sport just fuh de sake of trying to make it number one. They will throw they money behind a popular sport and ride de bandwagon to number one... that is how it works.
Also that is mad talk about Poker and Lacrosse surpassing soccer out ah some conspiracy to keep the NFL number one lol.
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There is no doubt that the sport is growing, heck the sport was growing since Pele was with Cosmos, when Becks was with LA. Remember the big buzz about how Beckham would change the face of the game in America? Growth in a sport doesn't determine if its going to be front and center. Companies that advertise determine that. For the greatest sport in the world to be so minimized by a 1st world country means that it is being ignored. Just watch your TV and the coverage. Advertisers money are tied up by their 1st tier sport, Football and that is what they are pushing. You'll see poker front and center for no reason before you see soccer. Why? Poker and Lacrosse wouldn't ruin the market for their other big sporting brands. But Soccer will kill the NFL if given a chance. Soccer is so popular all over the USA but it's been given chair 5 or 6 and it will remain that way until the MNT win something really big and if then.
Nah Preacher... there is so much that yuh say that ent making sense, or just wrong here. Football hasn't been growing since Pele and the Cosmos... in fact it was nearly dead after that. Not only did the NASL fail, but for a time the only real professional presence the sport had in the US was MISL (Major Indoor Soccer League). It took the 1994 WC to revive serious interest and demonstrate to advertisers that the sport could make money.
Then yuh say is advertising revenue that makes a sport number 1??? Advertising didn't make the NFL number one in the US, fan interest did. Fan interest then sold advertisers on the sport. You putting de egg before de chicken. Advertisers not throwing money behind ah unpopular sport just fuh de sake of trying to make it number one. They will throw they money behind a popular sport and ride de bandwagon to number one... that is how it works.
Also that is mad talk about Poker and Lacrosse surpassing soccer out ah some conspiracy to keep the NFL number one lol.
:rotfl: Aight we go finish that over some beers.
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I wouldn't say that advertising, or lack thereof, has anything to do with that.....that's just plain old ignorance! I don't mean to make sweeping generalisations, but Americans are some of the most ignorant people I've ever met.....ignorant of world geography, ignorant of world politics, ignorant of most things unrelated to the USA....I call it ignorance, but it may just as well be apathy...who knows..
If yuh go outside right now and put yuh ear to the ground, that faint rumbling sound yuh hearin is TT, Bakes and the ghost of John Wayne ridin fuh yuh
Micheal J, what kind of ppl you does be hanging out with bro?
unlike you i find that educated americans are quite fascinating. they are some of the most brilliant ppl i ever met, and well informed. they may not be up on current events, especially things of a political nature, but to say that those ppl are ignorant is just wrong.
i do admit that the younger generation is very dismissive and intolerant of other cultures, but the ppl in my age group is quite the opposite, they're well read, travel extensively and is very open to other cultures, you must be talking bout southerners or deep midwesterners, but city slickers on the both coast(who make up the majority of the population) is super aware.
PS: i think arrogant would have been a better word to describe them.
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Just watch your TV and the coverage. Advertisers money are tied up by their 1st tier sport, Football and that is what they are pushing. You'll see poker front and center for no reason before you see soccer. Why? Poker and Lacrosse wouldn't ruin the market for their other big sporting brands. But Soccer will kill the NFL if given a chance. Soccer is so popular all over the USA but it's been given chair 5 or 6 and it will remain that way until the MNT win something really big and if then.
Poker and world stroongest man are filler. Seeing it on TV does not mean that football is being downplayed anymore than it means that baseball or NFL is. They are dirt cheap for ESPN to purchase and can be shown at anytime they don’t have a live event.
ESPN shows a lot of live football but if there is no live game on it makes more sense to show poker or world’s strongest man than a replayed football game because they have a much more useful distributuion network for replayed games on ESPN3.
They have sooo much football available from every French, Italian, German, Dutch league and cup game that it doesn’t make sense to choose one or two to show in replay. Much better to stream it where, preseumably they pay lower rights with a fee per stream add-on.
It also allows them to get true market information about what people want to see.
The growth of football on TV in the US in the last 10 years has been absolutely phenomenal. ESPN has put a tonne of money to be in on the ground floor for the explosion that will happen in the next generation, not to stifle it. Fox has as well but they have always had the advantage of being part of a multinational broadcaster with strong ties to the EPL product.
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Just for Michael-J and Dutty.
Is dem dumb and ignorant Americans that gave the world
2. Lasers--
3 Satellites
48. de light bulbs in yuh damn house
9. The Atom Bomb
10. The Sextant that the Fatel Razack use to bring allyuh foreparents to T&T
11heart
1619 The LED
20 Apple and Microsoft comes from where agin?
21 GPS so some ah allyuh could find allyuh ass and not mistake it for allyuh elbow
buh wuh trouble is dis,, how I geH rope in?...me eh attack yuh peoples mr reagan?
btw in the midst of yuh flag waving inventions list yuh fuhget to add in & out burger, oh and water and oxygen
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Anytime I need a fix, there always seems to be classic re runs of great matches on ESPN and FSC. But obviously football will be oveshadowed by NFL, NBA and World Series baseball, and even college football and basketball.
I don't think this is a conspiroucy, its ecomomics. Advertisers will pay more money for spots in those shows. With the strong generational affiliation to teams playing US sports, the decision makers would prefer to put their bucks behind events they prefer.
Its similar in England where football is king and commands the highest ad fees.
In T&T the same applies to sponsorship where raising money for a fete is relatively easy, as to is cricket, but obtaining funds for football is hard.
The big companies would throw $100k at a fete where the relative brand recognition is short lived. Example: which company was main sponsor for Army Fete? Who sponsored Beach House? We can guerss at the usual suspects, but the truth is that these fetes become a dizzy memory.
The same $100k could, if the clubs were more professional, provide huge amounts of brand promotion and it could be great CSR.
So, who was North Easts main sponsors?
Who sponsored Jabloteh last season?
Maybe 25 matches shown on wi sports isn't a massive audience, but its repeat promotion over 10 months. If the clubs could find a way of producing replica shirts or at least sell T shirts as we did at NES, it gives more coverage for sponsors. Plus the press coverage of community events.
However, by sponsoring a fete, the brand manager gets free tickets and maybe meets Benjai or Faye Ann. They ain't interested in meeting Caledonia!!
Same as US advertisers. If my car dealership sponsors an NFL game, I get a skybox and my kid gets to meet a star quarterback, while if I sponsor Seattle Sounders vs FC Dallas, I get to watch a boring 0-0 draw and get to meet........that guy with the number 3 on his back.
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Approach the average person on any street in any country, and they doh know shit. I don't see how this became a trait exclusive to Americans.
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Just for Michael-J and Dutty.
Is dem dumb and ignorant Americans that gave the world
2. Lasers--
3 Satellites
48. de light bulbs in yuh damn house
9. The Atom Bomb
10. The Sextant that the Fatel Razack use to bring allyuh foreparents to T&T
11heart
1619 The LED
20 Apple and Microsoft comes from where agin?
21 GPS so some ah allyuh could find allyuh ass and not mistake it for allyuh elbow
buh wuh trouble is dis,, how I geH rope in?...me eh attack yuh peoples mr reagan?
btw in the midst of yuh flag waving inventions list yuh fuhget to add in & out burger, oh and water and oxygen
Now I don't want to split hairs with you here, but some of these can't really be deemed purely U.S. inventions, although in most cases, the US dollar certainly ensured that they moved from theories to actuality:
2. Einstein and Ladenburg (both Germans) were credited as completing the early research that was used to develop the laser.
48. Sir Joseph Wilson Swan (31 October 1828 – 27 May 1914) was a British physicist and chemist, most famous for the invention of the incandescent light bulb before its independent invention by the American Thomas Edison.
9. The Manhattan Project contained US, British and Canadian scientists. However the first credited research was carried out by the Curies (french)
10. Sir Isaac Newton (1643–1727) invented the principle of the doubly reflecting navigation instrument (a reflecting quadrant or Octant ), but never published it. Two men independently developed the octant around 1730: John Hadley (1682–1744), an English mathematician, and Thomas Godfrey (1704–1749), a glazier in Philadelphia. John Bird, an English mathmatical instument maker) made the first sextant in 1757.
Better examples would have been the impact on vehicle manufacturing on production lines by Ford, and, yes, the efficient design of fast food systems, primarily by Ray Kroc at McDonalds in the late 50's early 60's.
USA may not be inventors of everything, but they certainly know how to finance them and turn them into viable business models.
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You would be surprised by how many can.
try this test allyuh
http://www.travelpod.com/traveler-iq
Like that app...but its tough! I was doing ok until I put the flag in the wrong continent...missed by 17,000 miles lol
How much yuh get...
I do alright...
(http://oi45.tinypic.com/5o5tm0.jpg)
I keep playing the damn thing now! Got to level 11. Problem is you get one really wrong and you're toast lol. I put Sao Tome and Principe in the Caribbean which was 10,000 k wide of the target lol
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[Now I don't want to split hairs with you here, but some of these can't really be deemed purely U.S. inventions, although in most cases, the US dollar certainly ensured that they moved from theories to actuality:
2. Einstein and Ladenburg (both Germans) were credited as completing the early research that was used to develop the laser.
48. Sir Joseph Wilson Swan (31 October 1828 – 27 May 1914) was a British physicist and chemist, most famous for the invention of the incandescent light bulb before its independent invention by the American Thomas Edison.
9. The Manhattan Project contained US, British and Canadian scientists. However the first credited research was carried out by the Curies (french)
10. Sir Isaac Newton (1643–1727) invented the principle of the doubly reflecting navigation instrument (a reflecting quadrant or Octant ), but never published it. Two men independently developed the octant around 1730: John Hadley (1682–1744), an English mathematician, and Thomas Godfrey (1704–1749), a glazier in Philadelphia. John Bird, an English mathmatical instument maker) made the first sextant in 1757.
Better examples would have been the impact on vehicle manufacturing on production lines by Ford, and, yes, the efficient design of fast food systems, primarily by Ray Kroc at McDonalds in the late 50's early 60's.
USA may not be inventors of everything, ---you is ah madman
whey yuh get dat info from, some left wing comunist blog?
doh try and tie up we head wit all dat setta propoganda,, de usa invent EVERYTING breds...everyting!!!...even trees and grass
de ress ah de worl juss jealous
ah goin and eat piece ah apple pie and lissen good music
(http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/f0ad300940d7458f1d9ec2b190b39128/787864.jpg)
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Just for Michael-J and Dutty.
Is dem dumb and ignorant Americans that gave the world
2. Lasers--
3 Satellites
48. de light bulbs in yuh damn house
9. The Atom Bomb
10. The Sextant that the Fatel Razack use to bring allyuh foreparents to T&T
11heart
1619 The LED
20 Apple and Microsoft comes from where agin?
21 GPS so some ah allyuh could find allyuh ass and not mistake it for allyuh elbow
buh wuh trouble is dis,, how I geH rope in?...me eh attack yuh peoples mr reagan?
btw in the midst of yuh flag waving inventions list yuh fuhget to add in & out burger, oh and water and oxygen
Calm down pardna, I never used the word dumb. The word I used was ignorant. I didn’t mean they were ignorant of everything, ( in fact, it’s impossible for anyone to be ignorant of everything) I meant they are ignorant of/lack knowledge of issues unrelated to their own world or area of expertise. It is all well and good for a scientist to be very knowledgeable about science, or a lawyer about the law, etc, but it is not unreasonable to expect such persons to also have some knowledge of the wider world ...and I don’t mean trivial details about some obscure topic; I mean international current events, world history, geography, etc...things that don’t require much effort to learn about.
Perhaps my mistake was singling out Americans as the only people guilty of this and for that I apologise...but I’m only basing my statements on my experiences.
Earlier this year I met this girl who recently went on a vacation to Barbados . I asked her how her vacation was and she said it was great but, “ I didn’t know there were so many black people in the Caribbean !” Guess where she was from ::)
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[Now I don't want to split hairs with you here, but some of these can't really be deemed purely U.S. inventions, although in most cases, the US dollar certainly ensured that they moved from theories to actuality:
2. Einstein and Ladenburg (both Germans) were credited as completing the early research that was used to develop the laser.
48. Sir Joseph Wilson Swan (31 October 1828 – 27 May 1914) was a British physicist and chemist, most famous for the invention of the incandescent light bulb before its independent invention by the American Thomas Edison.
9. The Manhattan Project contained US, British and Canadian scientists. However the first credited research was carried out by the Curies (french)
10. Sir Isaac Newton (1643–1727) invented the principle of the doubly reflecting navigation instrument (a reflecting quadrant or Octant ), but never published it. Two men independently developed the octant around 1730: John Hadley (1682–1744), an English mathematician, and Thomas Godfrey (1704–1749), a glazier in Philadelphia. John Bird, an English mathmatical instument maker) made the first sextant in 1757.
Better examples would have been the impact on vehicle manufacturing on production lines by Ford, and, yes, the efficient design of fast food systems, primarily by Ray Kroc at McDonalds in the late 50's early 60's.
USA may not be inventors of everything, ---you is ah madman
whey yuh get dat info from, some left wing comunist blog?
doh try and tie up we head wit all dat setta propoganda,, de usa invent EVERYTING breds...everyting!!!...even trees and grass
de ress ah de worl juss jealous
ah goin and eat piece ah apple pie and lissen good music
(http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/f0ad300940d7458f1d9ec2b190b39128/787864.jpg)
:rotfl:
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Just for Michael-J and Dutty.
Is dem dumb and ignorant Americans that gave the world
2. Lasers--
3 Satellites
48. de light bulbs in yuh damn house
9. The Atom Bomb
10. The Sextant that the Fatel Razack use to bring allyuh foreparents to T&T
11heart
1619 The LED
20 Apple and Microsoft comes from where agin?
21 GPS so some ah allyuh could find allyuh ass and not mistake it for allyuh elbow
buh wuh trouble is dis,, how I geH rope in?...me eh attack yuh peoples mr reagan?
btw in the midst of yuh flag waving inventions list yuh fuhget to add in & out burger, oh and water and oxygen
Now I don't want to split hairs with you here, but some of these can't really be deemed purely U.S. inventions, although in most cases, the US dollar certainly ensured that they moved from theories to actuality:
2. Einstein and Ladenburg (both Germans) were credited as completing the early research that was used to develop the laser.
48. Sir Joseph Wilson Swan (31 October 1828 – 27 May 1914) was a British physicist and chemist, most famous for the invention of the incandescent light bulb before its independent invention by the American Thomas Edison.
9. The Manhattan Project contained US, British and Canadian scientists. However the first credited research was carried out by the Curies (french)
10. Sir Isaac Newton (1643–1727) invented the principle of the doubly reflecting navigation instrument (a reflecting quadrant or Octant ), but never published it. Two men independently developed the octant around 1730: John Hadley (1682–1744), an English mathematician, and Thomas Godfrey (1704–1749), a glazier in Philadelphia. John Bird, an English mathmatical instument maker) made the first sextant in 1757.
Better examples would have been the impact on vehicle manufacturing on production lines by Ford, and, yes, the efficient design of fast food systems, primarily by Ray Kroc at McDonalds in the late 50's early 60's.
USA may not be inventors of everything, but they certainly know how to finance them and turn them into viable business models.
If Issac never published it, then what good was it to the world? Collecting dust in his library? As for the Brits and the Sextant...again...John Bird if my memory serves me right developed a QUADRANT...I might be wrong always learned the first sextant was full designed and created in Philly. Octant is also still different from a sextant..but you might say I am splitting hairs!
As for Edison I concede, he was known for tiefing people invention, bettering dem and patenting dem... he ahd too much English blood in him it seems.
Early research is one thing..perfecting the laser and using it practically is an entirely different kettle of fish..won't you say? Glad to see you took time to google my list though. Einstein was long living in the US and was a US citizen, as was Rudolf Ladenburg who was teaching at Princeton. Creating theories about light emission etc. is great, making them into Lasers, is as yankee as apple pie and blue jeans
Yes, the Manhatten Project was a mish mash of scientists from all over the world.
Initially the US were not interested in the atom bomb...mind you, Einstein was long a US citizen living in the US when the damn thing as finally perfected. Hitler persecuted the Jews and Germany's loss was the USA's gain...still where was the bomb finally created, prefected? USA
Forget the Curies, they did no work on bombs breds..Pierre and Marie are no more creators of the atom bomb than Hertz and Röntgen...the Bomb was US.
Adding the fast food system or the assembly line did not pass me, I just chose not to add them
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Just for Michael-J and Dutty.
Is dem dumb and ignorant Americans that gave the world
2. Lasers--
3 Satellites
48. de light bulbs in yuh damn house
9. The Atom Bomb
10. The Sextant that the Fatel Razack use to bring allyuh foreparents to T&T
11heart
1619 The LED
20 Apple and Microsoft comes from where agin?
21 GPS so some ah allyuh could find allyuh ass and not mistake it for allyuh elbow
buh wuh trouble is dis,, how I geH rope in?...me eh attack yuh peoples mr reagan?
btw in the midst of yuh flag waving inventions list yuh fuhget to add in & out burger, oh and water and oxygen
Calm down pardna, I never used the word dumb. The word I used was ignorant. I didn’t mean they were ignorant of everything, ( in fact, it’s impossible for anyone to be ignorant of everything) I meant they are ignorant of/lack knowledge of issues unrelated to their own world or area of expertise. It is all well and good for a scientist to be very knowledgeable about science, or a lawyer about the law, etc, but it is not unreasonable to expect such persons to also have some knowledge of the wider world ...and I don’t mean trivial details about some obscure topic; I mean international current events, world history, geography, etc...things that don’t require much effort to learn about.
Perhaps my mistake was singling out Americans as the only people guilty of this and for that I apologise...but I’m only basing my statements on my experiences.
Earlier this year I met this girl who recently went on a vacation to Barbados . I asked her how her vacation was and she said it was great but, “ I didn’t know there were so many black people in the Caribbean !” Guess where she was from ::)
So what if she was from the US...I can ask simple questions to trinis and get IGNORANT answers...jes llok at some of de posters here...frico immediately comes to mind and he is trini living and using good air in London.
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Just for Michael-J and Dutty.
Is dem dumb and ignorant Americans that gave the world
2. Lasers--
3 Satellites
48. de light bulbs in yuh damn house
9. The Atom Bomb
10. The Sextant that the Fatel Razack use to bring allyuh foreparents to T&T
11heart
1619 The LED
20 Apple and Microsoft comes from where agin?
21 GPS so some ah allyuh could find allyuh ass and not mistake it for allyuh elbow
buh wuh trouble is dis,, how I geH rope in?...me eh attack yuh peoples mr reagan?
btw in the midst of yuh flag waving inventions list yuh fuhget to add in & out burger, oh and water and oxygen
Calm down pardna, I never used the word dumb. The word I used was ignorant. I didn’t mean they were ignorant of everything, ( in fact, it’s impossible for anyone to be ignorant of everything) I meant they are ignorant of/lack knowledge of issues unrelated to their own world or area of expertise. It is all well and good for a scientist to be very knowledgeable about science, or a lawyer about the law, etc, but it is not unreasonable to expect such persons to also have some knowledge of the wider world ...and I don’t mean trivial details about some obscure topic; I mean international current events, world history, geography, etc...things that don’t require much effort to learn about.
Perhaps my mistake was singling out Americans as the only people guilty of this and for that I apologise...but I’m only basing my statements on my experiences.
Earlier this year I met this girl who recently went on a vacation to Barbados . I asked her how her vacation was and she said it was great but, “ I didn’t know there were so many black people in the Caribbean !” Guess where she was from ::)
So what if she was from the US...I can ask simple questions to trinis and get IGNORANT answers...jes llok at some of de posters here...frico immediately comes to mind and he is trini living and using good air in London.
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So what if she was from the US...I can ask simple questions to trinis and get IGNORANT answers...jes llok at some of de posters here...frico immediately comes to mind and he is trini living and using good air in London.
So what if she was from the US--------I'm just recalling one of my many experiences with "ignorant Americans"..
I can ask simple questions to trinis and get IGNORANT answers..--------------- Hence my apology for singling out any one nationality..
frico immediately comes to mind and he is trini living and using good air in London. ------------Not even gonna get involved there :rotfl:
:beermug:
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[Now I don't want to split hairs with you here, but some of these can't really be deemed purely U.S. inventions, although in most cases, the US dollar certainly ensured that they moved from theories to actuality:
2. Einstein and Ladenburg (both Germans) were credited as completing the early research that was used to develop the laser.
48. Sir Joseph Wilson Swan (31 October 1828 – 27 May 1914) was a British physicist and chemist, most famous for the invention of the incandescent light bulb before its independent invention by the American Thomas Edison.
9. The Manhattan Project contained US, British and Canadian scientists. However the first credited research was carried out by the Curies (french)
10. Sir Isaac Newton (1643–1727) invented the principle of the doubly reflecting navigation instrument (a reflecting quadrant or Octant ), but never published it. Two men independently developed the octant around 1730: John Hadley (1682–1744), an English mathematician, and Thomas Godfrey (1704–1749), a glazier in Philadelphia. John Bird, an English mathmatical instument maker) made the first sextant in 1757.
Better examples would have been the impact on vehicle manufacturing on production lines by Ford, and, yes, the efficient design of fast food systems, primarily by Ray Kroc at McDonalds in the late 50's early 60's.
USA may not be inventors of everything, ---you is ah madman
whey yuh get dat info from, some left wing comunist blog?
doh try and tie up we head wit all dat setta propoganda,, de usa invent EVERYTING breds...everyting!!!...even trees and grass
de ress ah de worl juss jealous
ah goin and eat piece ah apple pie and lissen good music
(http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/f0ad300940d7458f1d9ec2b190b39128/787864.jpg)
:D
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Just for Michael-J and Dutty.
Is dem dumb and ignorant Americans that gave the world
2. Lasers--
3 Satellites
48. de light bulbs in yuh damn house
9. The Atom Bomb
10. The Sextant that the Fatel Razack use to bring allyuh foreparents to T&T
11heart
1619 The LED
20 Apple and Microsoft comes from where agin?
21 GPS so some ah allyuh could find allyuh ass and not mistake it for allyuh elbow
buh wuh trouble is dis,, how I geH rope in?...me eh attack yuh peoples mr reagan?
btw in the midst of yuh flag waving inventions list yuh fuhget to add in & out burger, oh and water and oxygen
Now I don't want to split hairs with you here, but some of these can't really be deemed purely U.S. inventions, although in most cases, the US dollar certainly ensured that they moved from theories to actuality:
2. Einstein and Ladenburg (both Germans) were credited as completing the early research that was used to develop the laser.
48. Sir Joseph Wilson Swan (31 October 1828 – 27 May 1914) was a British physicist and chemist, most famous for the invention of the incandescent light bulb before its independent invention by the American Thomas Edison.
9. The Manhattan Project contained US, British and Canadian scientists. However the first credited research was carried out by the Curies (french)
10. Sir Isaac Newton (1643–1727) invented the principle of the doubly reflecting navigation instrument (a reflecting quadrant or Octant ), but never published it. Two men independently developed the octant around 1730: John Hadley (1682–1744), an English mathematician, and Thomas Godfrey (1704–1749), a glazier in Philadelphia. John Bird, an English mathmatical instument maker) made the first sextant in 1757.
Better examples would have been the impact on vehicle manufacturing on production lines by Ford, and, yes, the efficient design of fast food systems, primarily by Ray Kroc at McDonalds in the late 50's early 60's.
USA may not be inventors of everything, but they certainly know how to finance them and turn them into viable business models.
Dont forget Wernher von Braun the Nazi that headed the US space program in the 60s/70s
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werner?
More nonsense, de man name was William V. Brown, born in Barstow California
Yuh think de us gov't does just fasttrack citizenship for inventors and claim dem as dey own dry so
allyuh does sicken mih wit allyuh hate oui.....the usa winnin de world cup in brazil, who fackin vex lorse
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Just for Michael-J and Dutty.
Is dem dumb and ignorant Americans that gave the world
2. Lasers--
3 Satellites
48. de light bulbs in yuh damn house
9. The Atom Bomb
10. The Sextant that the Fatel Razack use to bring allyuh foreparents to T&T
11heart
1619 The LED
20 Apple and Microsoft comes from where agin?
21 GPS so some ah allyuh could find allyuh ass and not mistake it for allyuh elbow
buh wuh trouble is dis,, how I geH rope in?...me eh attack yuh peoples mr reagan?
btw in the midst of yuh flag waving inventions list yuh fuhget to add in & out burger, oh and water and oxygen
Now I don't want to split hairs with you here, but some of these can't really be deemed purely U.S. inventions, although in most cases, the US dollar certainly ensured that they moved from theories to actuality:
2. Einstein and Ladenburg (both Germans) were credited as completing the early research that was used to develop the laser.
48. Sir Joseph Wilson Swan (31 October 1828 – 27 May 1914) was a British physicist and chemist, most famous for the invention of the incandescent light bulb before its independent invention by the American Thomas Edison.
9. The Manhattan Project contained US, British and Canadian scientists. However the first credited research was carried out by the Curies (french)
10. Sir Isaac Newton (1643–1727) invented the principle of the doubly reflecting navigation instrument (a reflecting quadrant or Octant ), but never published it. Two men independently developed the octant around 1730: John Hadley (1682–1744), an English mathematician, and Thomas Godfrey (1704–1749), a glazier in Philadelphia. John Bird, an English mathmatical instument maker) made the first sextant in 1757.
Better examples would have been the impact on vehicle manufacturing on production lines by Ford, and, yes, the efficient design of fast food systems, primarily by Ray Kroc at McDonalds in the late 50's early 60's.
USA may not be inventors of everything, but they certainly know how to finance them and turn them into viable business models.
If Issac never published it, then what good was it to the world? Collecting dust in his library? As for the Brits and the Sextant...again...John Bird if my memory serves me right developed a QUADRANT...I might be wrong always learned the first sextant was full designed and created in Philly. Octant is also still different from a sextant..but you might say I am splitting hairs!
As for Edison I concede, he was known for tiefing people invention, bettering dem and patenting dem... he ahd too much English blood in him it seems.
Early research is one thing..perfecting the laser and using it practically is an entirely different kettle of fish..won't you say? Glad to see you took time to google my list though. Einstein was long living in the US and was a US citizen, as was Rudolf Ladenburg who was teaching at Princeton. Creating theories about light emission etc. is great, making them into Lasers, is as yankee as apple pie and blue jeans
Yes, the Manhatten Project was a mish mash of scientists from all over the world.
Initially the US were not interested in the atom bomb...mind you, Einstein was long a US citizen living in the US when the damn thing as finally perfected. Hitler persecuted the Jews and Germany's loss was the USA's gain...still where was the bomb finally created, prefected? USA
Forget the Curies, they did no work on bombs breds..Pierre and Marie are no more creators of the atom bomb than Hertz and Röntgen...the Bomb was US.
Adding the fast food system or the assembly line did not pass me, I just chose not to add them
Hence my opening comment: some of these can't really be deemed purely U.S. inventions, although in most cases, the US dollar certainly ensured that they moved from theories to actuality:
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werner?
More nonsense, de man name was William V. Brown, born in Barstow California
Yuh think de us gov't does just fasttrack citizenship for inventors and claim dem as dey own dry so
allyuh does sicken mih wit allyuh hate oui.....the usa winnin de world cup in brazil, who fackin vex lorse
True boy, they winning the Basketball World Championship when the Miami beat Oklahoma, Baseball World Series when NY beat Boston.....these fellas on here is just haters. Is the USA who invented the Monster Burger, the big gulp, Chicken Nuggets, and diet Coke.
When the USA win the WC in Brazil, they will also have de world longest parade driving from Brazil to the USA. If England had gotten to Host, the drive would have been much shorter.
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I know what you said, but your statements clearly diminishes American ingenuity, determination, invention and innovation!
No other country in the History of this world....!
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werner?
More nonsense, de man name was William V. Brown, born in Barstow California
Yuh think de us gov't does just fasttrack citizenship for inventors and claim dem as dey own dry so
allyuh does sicken mih wit allyuh hate oui.....the usa winnin de world cup in brazil, who fackin vex lorse
Yuh think de us gov't does just fasttrack citizenship for inventors and claim dem as dey own
Actually, I believe many govts during the cold war did exactly this. USA, UK, USSR in particular. Obviously not claim the invention, but to build the damn things to use against each other!
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werner?
More nonsense, de man name was William V. Brown, born in Barstow California
Yuh think de us gov't does just fasttrack citizenship for inventors and claim dem as dey own dry so
allyuh does sicken mih wit allyuh hate oui.....the usa winnin de world cup in brazil, who fackin vex lorse
lol
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allyuh listen to war .. Americans hate football because they see it as an outsider game. also dey to f**king dumb to understan it.. another thing they dont like no sport that have skills , dey jes like see one set a big man jumping on each other. bout world champions?.. mi facking ass.... americans and the assholes on this forum who hate to see football gwan good in this country USA, are di biggest set of dumb f**ks mi ever see ... I does challenge dem dumb f**ks all di time at mi Job bring it on anytime a football game going on I dont gave a f**k what "world champion game going on " I does tell them is my time now ... alyyuh f**king step .. gave up the tv..
war
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werner?
More nonsense, de man name was William V. Brown, born in Barstow California
Yuh think de us gov't does just fasttrack citizenship for inventors and claim dem as dey own dry so
allyuh does sicken mih wit allyuh hate oui.....the usa winnin de world cup in brazil, who fackin vex lorse
True boy, they winning the Basketball World Championship when the Miami beat Oklahoma, Baseball World Series when NY beat Boston.....these fellas on here is just haters. Is the USA who invented the Monster Burger, the big gulp, Chicken Nuggets, and diet Coke.
When the USA win the WC in Brazil, they will also have de world longest parade driving from Brazil to the USA. If England had gotten to Host, the drive would have been much shorter.
Elan, the USA basketball and baseball are really world championships..there are players from all over the world on those teams.
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Let's look at it like this: There is a big difference between the success of football and the media's dedication to make it even more popular. For all the permanent appearances by the US Men national team in the World Cup, maybe there is an effort (sub-conscious or deliberate) to ensure that American grown sport remains the most popular and generate the most money and ratings, among mainstream Americans. The writer exaggerated the idea that Soccer is dead. But I also believe more can be done for and with the sport. ESPN doesn't show a lot of games. They show a few games yes, but based on the amount of actual games and leagues one can understand that all games can't be covered. ESPN covers the games that they think might generate the most ratings like English and Champions League. They hardly touch the other leagues. Still one can't argue with the idea that showing ALL games is impossible. However I think it's reasonable to expect some results, game highlights and news surrounding the sport. It is possible to get some of this from FOX Soccer, but there is no mainstream network that covers the sport from that angle. If you miss a live or a featured game, there is no way to follow up highlights or results from that game or other games around the world. Even by showing the Euro now, as soon as the game coverage is done there is no mention of the tournament except for a few random ads. I know the feeling because after my 9-5 shift, I am unable to follow up on games I missed! It's like ESPN is half-way, half-way out with the sport.
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werner?
More nonsense, de man name was William V. Brown, born in Barstow California
Yuh think de us gov't does just fasttrack citizenship for inventors and claim dem as dey own dry so
allyuh does sicken mih wit allyuh hate oui.....the usa winnin de world cup in brazil, who fackin vex lorse
True boy, they winning the Basketball World Championship when the Miami beat Oklahoma, Baseball World Series when NY beat Boston.....these fellas on here is just haters. Is the USA who invented the Monster Burger, the big gulp, Chicken Nuggets, and diet Coke.
When the USA win the WC in Brazil, they will also have de world longest parade driving from Brazil to the USA. If England had gotten to Host, the drive would have been much shorter.
Elan, the USA basketball and baseball are really world championships..there are players from all over the world on those teams.
I hope your tongue was firmly in cheek there.
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I really don't appreciate all this Yankee talk on the forums, please wrap up Alyuh discussions and close this thread please.
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True boy, they winning the Basketball World Championship when the Miami beat Oklahoma, Baseball World Series when NY beat Boston.....these fellas on here is just haters. Is the USA who invented the Monster Burger, the big gulp, Chicken Nuggets, and diet Coke.
When the USA win the WC in Brazil, they will also have de world longest parade driving from Brazil to the USA. If England had gotten to Host, the drive would have been much shorter.
The only professional sport which still uses the "world" talk in their championship is Baseball... and ironically they are the ones who should use it least because other international teams have gotten better over the years. The NBA no longer refers to the champions as "world champions", nor does the NFL... so allyuh will have to find something else to bitch about lol.
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I really don't appreciate all this Yankee talk on the forums, please wrap up Alyuh discussions and close this thread please.
What yuh think about the new stripes hoops uniform the men's team wearing. :devil:
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I really don't appreciate all this Yankee talk on the forums, please wrap up Alyuh discussions and close this thread please.
What yuh think about the new stripes hoops uniform the men's team wearing. :devil:
:frustrated:
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I really don't appreciate all this Yankee talk on the forums, please wrap up Alyuh discussions and close this thread please.
What yuh think about the new stripes hoops uniform the men's team wearing. :devil:
:frustrated:
:laugh:
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True boy, they winning the Basketball World Championship when the Miami beat Oklahoma, Baseball World Series when NY beat Boston.....these fellas on here is just haters. Is the USA who invented the Monster Burger, the big gulp, Chicken Nuggets, and diet Coke.
When the USA win the WC in Brazil, they will also have de world longest parade driving from Brazil to the USA. If England had gotten to Host, the drive would have been much shorter.
The only professional sport which still uses the "world" talk in their championship is Baseball... and ironically they are the ones who should use it least because other international teams have gotten better over the years. The NBA no longer refers to the champions as "world champions", nor does the NFL... so allyuh will have to find something else to bitch about lol.
That is not true. NFL teams still call themselves "World Champions"....or at least the media do.
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I really don't appreciate all this Yankee talk on the forums, please wrap up Alyuh discussions and close this thread please.
What yuh think about the new stripes hoops uniform the men's team wearing. :devil:
Love it. The only thing missing in that uniform is the stripe socks.
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That is not true. NFL teams still call themselves "World Champions"....or at least the media do.
Did you see me say anything about "the media"... or "NFL teams" for that matter?
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That is not true. NFL teams still call themselves "World Champions"....or at least the media do.
Did you see me say anything about "the media"... or "NFL teams" for that matter?
Who cares what you say?! If they printing it in the paper and the team subscribing to the title then you don't need anything more. You can't say they aren't calling themselves or being called "World Champions" and not accepting of the "crown".
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Who cares what you say?! If they printing it in the paper and the team subscribing to the title then you don't need anything more. You can't say they aren't calling themselves or being called "World Champions" and not accepting of the "crown".
Jackass... learn to read.
The only professional sport which still uses the "world" talk in their championship is Baseball
"Sport" meaning the League... not "team", not "media" and not fans.
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Who cares what you say?! If they printing it in the paper and the team subscribing to the title then you don't need anything more. You can't say they aren't calling themselves or being called "World Champions" and not accepting of the "crown".
Jackass... learn to read.
The only professional sport which still uses the "world" talk in their championship is Baseball
"Sport" meaning the League... not "team", not "media" and not fans.
Who cares what you say?! If they printing it in the paper and the team subscribing to the title then you don't need anything more. You can't say they aren't calling themselves or being called "World Champions" and not accepting of the "crown".
Jackass... learn to read.
The only professional sport which still uses the "world" talk in their championship is Baseball
"Sport" meaning the League... not "team", not "media" and not fans.
If yuh mudda c**t woulda know what the f**k yuh was talkin' 'bout in de first place....Baseball has ALWAYS been the "only sport" that officially uses the "world" talk in their championship title, when referring o "The World Series", c**t hole but all of the major champions of both the NBA and the NFL have been quick to call themselves "World Champions", the most recent being, the NY Giants. So when your dumb f**kin' ass talkin' 'bout the only sport which "still" uses...blah, blah, blah...learn to f**kin' WRITE, bitch.
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Who cares what you say?! If they printing it in the paper and the team subscribing to the title then you don't need anything more. You can't say they aren't calling themselves or being called "World Champions" and not accepting of the "crown".
Jackass... learn to read.
The only professional sport which still uses the "world" talk in their championship is Baseball
"Sport" meaning the League... not "team", not "media" and not fans.
Who cares what you say?! If they printing it in the paper and the team subscribing to the title then you don't need anything more. You can't say they aren't calling themselves or being called "World Champions" and not accepting of the "crown".
Jackass... learn to read.
The only professional sport which still uses the "world" talk in their championship is Baseball
"Sport" meaning the League... not "team", not "media" and not fans.
If yuh mudda c**t woulda know what the f**k yuh was talkin' 'bout in de first place....Baseball has ALWAYS been the "only sport" that officially uses the "world" talk in their championship title, when referring o "The World Series", c**t hole but all of the major champions of both the NBA and the NFL have been quick to call themselves "World Champions", the most recent being, the NY Giants. So when your dumb f**kin' ass talkin' 'bout the only sport which "still" uses...blah, blah, blah...learn to f**kin' WRITE, bitch.
I feel d day alyuh meet in person will be a UFC main event
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* sigh * lol
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* sigh * lol
Boy I now coming tell them two f**kers get a room. Oh gosh man. Bake and Mango Chow Alyuh made for each other lol
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If yuh mudda c**t woulda know what the f**k yuh was talkin' 'bout in de first place....Baseball has ALWAYS been the "only sport" that officially uses the "world" talk in their championship title, when referring o "The World Series", c**t hole but all of the major champions of both the NBA and the NFL have been quick to call themselves "World Champions", the most recent being, the NY Giants. So when your dumb f**kin' ass talkin' 'bout the only sport which "still" uses...blah, blah, blah...learn to f**kin' WRITE, bitch.
LOL... I could only laugh at you yes fella. Yes, MLB has been the only organization to "officially" use "World" in the championship title... but that wasn't the point... was it? The NFL, the NHL and the NBA all "unofficially" at one point or the other used to refer to their champions as "World Champions", whatever the official title was called. None of them do so anymore... just MLB. See how easy that was?
I feel d day alyuh meet in person will be a UFC main event
Not one f**k go happen... it go just be Mango Chow bleeding from he cyat and looking fuh attention as usual, and me looking at him like ah madman.
*cue obligatory request tuh meet up "fuh beers"*
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:rotfl:
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Allyuh overs that!!!
Doh sleep on them Yanks. If they wanted 'soccer,' big it would be.
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If yuh mudda c**t woulda know what the f**k yuh was talkin' 'bout in de first place....Baseball has ALWAYS been the "only sport" that officially uses the "world" talk in their championship title, when referring o "The World Series", c**t hole but all of the major champions of both the NBA and the NFL have been quick to call themselves "World Champions", the most recent being, the NY Giants. So when your dumb f**kin' ass talkin' 'bout the only sport which "still" uses...blah, blah, blah...learn to f**kin' WRITE, bitch.
LOL... I could only laugh at you yes fella. Yes, MLB has been the only organization to "officially" use "World" in the championship title... but that wasn't the point... was it? The NFL, the NHL and the NBA all "unofficially" at one point or the other used to refer to their champions as "World Champions", whatever the official title was called. None of them do so anymore... just MLB. See how easy that was?
You strayed from "the point" all together in the first place trying to get technical on the original post referring to how americans generally view their sporting champions as and/or call them "World champions" and that applies whether the teams call themselves that, or anyone else connected to the sport. The Giants, this year, were calling themselves "World Champions" after the Super Bowl and that is the point the original poster was making. It was "easy" until you brought yuh sour mudda c**t into the cdiscussion.
I feel d day alyuh meet in person will be a UFC main event
Not one f**k go happen... it go just be Mango Chow bleeding from he cyat and looking fuh attention as usual, and me looking at him like ah madman.
*cue obligatory request tuh meet up "fuh beers"*
It's been long since pretty obvious that this obsession yuh have with "bleeding cyats" goes back to your childhood and whatever relations yuh had with your mother......but every now and then when yuh get an offer to put that down and BE a man, if only for a minute or a day, yuh should welcome it with open arms. Yuh could always go back to yuh bloody playpen afterwards, hoss.
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Shit article.
Co-signed! 8)
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Shit article.
Co-signed! 8)
oh lorse, he teef weary phrase and dip it in ah arkansas accent.
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Shit article.
Co-signed! 8)
Where d hell u come from :cursing:
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world champions my facking ass.. dats why ppl around di world calls americans a bunch of dumb f**ks.. I does let dem have it at mi job.. bout world champions...LMFAO eh bwoyy...
war