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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: just cool on January 29, 2013, 10:03:05 AM
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These fackin ppl doh want tuh live and let live @ all boy!!!
Imagine after 400 yrs of chattel slavery and a hundred yrs of jimcrow, colonialism, terrorism (KKK lynchings), lack of opportunity, poverty, police brutality and racial profiling you would think that they had their fill, and mind you we took it all with grace and still wanted to forgive and forget, and after all this, these mdfckrs still wont let go, is wah dem really want boy??!!!
http://niggermania.net/forum/forum.php
I tellin allyuh i doh trust these fackin crackers!! bc i have a feelin them eh quite done wid we yet nah!
i have ah funny suspicion that these mdfckrs will try ah ting again and will gain nuff support through their propaganda machine even from liberal whites, the same way they did to the arabs, cubans, the iranians, and pakistanis, matter of fact, anyone who dare to be independent,
also during slavery and jim crow where they needed to justify their atrocities where they told the masses that niggers was beast of burden and not humans, and how their God curse we and made us to serve them through some bible prophesy.
this time i feel they will use the crime situation and lack of "contribution" to the advancement of society to show that we are only good for hard work and we needed to be kept in check under strict supervision.
i tellin allyuh i doh trust these ppl, and morso after obama got elected for a second time. i doh feel good about this @ all. black ppl allyuh better arm allyuh self good eh!! :nailbiting:
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i tellin allyuh i doh trust these ppl, and morso after obama got elected for a second time. i doh feel good about this @ all. black ppl allyuh better arm allyuh self good eh!! :nailbiting:
is not only black people who have to worry...the plan is to get rid of the 2nd Amendment, which in turn will give the UN reason to come in here and enforce the no gun law, once America under control 90-95% of the world's population will be knocked off.
btw I'm no Republican and don't even own a gun..i just the messenger lol
not to derail yuh thread so i will start another thread later on today on what i think is going to happen.
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steups these are a stupid minority of uneducated assholes.
I doh waste time thinking about them at all..I just mindful of surroundings everywhere I go.
And Feliz yuh talking shit
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steups these are a stupid minority of uneducated assholes.
I doh waste time thinking about them at all..I just mindful of surroundings everywhere I go.
And Feliz yuh talking shit
Breds, you might think that, but remember this, i was in the heart of white america (the military) and i saw the tension. remember when OJ won his case, i never met ah white man or woman who engage me on that trial who thought OJ was innocent despite all the evidence that he may have been set up by a avowed racist cop.
remember before obama won the election there was no such thing as the tea party, @ least i never heard of the prior too. i believe they might be a minority in comparison, but what's to stop them from growing? and tuh tell yuh the truth, it's not the size of the following, but the influence and the money and political power behind the movement. ;)
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steups these are a stupid minority of uneducated assholes.
I doh waste time thinking about them at all..I just mindful of surroundings everywhere I go.
And Feliz yuh talking shit
Breds, you might think that, but remember this, i was in the heart of white america (the military) and i saw the tension. remember when OJ won his case, i never met ah white man or woman who engage me on that trial who thought OJ was innocent despite all the evidence that he may have been set up by a avowed racist cop.
remember before obama won the election there was no such thing as the tea party, @ least i never heard of the prior too. i believe they might be a minority in comparison, but what's to stop them from growing? and tuh tell yuh the truth, it's not the size of the following, but the influence and the money and political power behind the movement. ;)
Iwas in the Military too....I rememebr OJ also..and guess what he get away with murder..black america was glad to see him get off becasue ah Tyson etc. No way dat f**ker deserve to walk.
The tea pary form when Bush W was President also...check the facts!
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i tellin allyuh i doh trust these ppl, and morso after obama got elected for a second time. i doh feel good about this @ all. black ppl allyuh better arm allyuh self good eh!! :nailbiting:
is not only black people who have to worry...the plan is to get rid of the 2nd Amendment, which in turn will give the UN reason to come in here and enforce the no gun law, once America under control 90-95% of the world's population will be knocked off.
btw I'm no Republican and don't even own a gun..i just the messenger lol
not to derail yuh thread so i will start another thread later on today on what i think is going to happen.
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgoshegqAn1qbazqio1_500.jpg)
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steups these are a stupid minority of uneducated assholes.
I doh waste time thinking about them at all..I just mindful of surroundings everywhere I go.
And Feliz yuh talking shit
Breds, you might think that, but remember this, i was in the heart of white america (the military) and i saw the tension. remember when OJ won his case, i never met ah white man or woman who engage me on that trial who thought OJ was innocent despite all the evidence that he may have been set up by a avowed racist cop.
remember before obama won the election there was no such thing as the tea party, @ least i never heard of the prior too. i believe they might be a minority in comparison, but what's to stop them from growing? and tuh tell yuh the truth, it's not the size of the following, but the influence and the money and political power behind the movement. ;)
Iwas in the Military too....I rememebr OJ also..and guess what he get away with murder..black america was glad to see him get off becasue ah Tyson etc. No way dat f**ker deserve to walk.
The tea pary form when Bush W was President also...check the facts![/color]
I never said they weren't, i was just trying to say that they rared their heads when a black man became the head honcho. as for OJ, this thing ain't about OJ boss, but rather how divided the country was and still is, and not bc you was in the military don't mean that what i proposed was invalid.
all i'm saying is i don't trust white america, especially in this uneasy climate of recession and economic down turn together with the power base slipping out the hands of the white male power structure.
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steups these are a stupid minority of uneducated assholes.
I doh waste time thinking about them at all..I just mindful of surroundings everywhere I go.
And Feliz yuh talking shit
Breds, you might think that, but remember this, i was in the heart of white america (the military) and i saw the tension. remember when OJ won his case, i never met ah white man or woman who engage me on that trial who thought OJ was innocent despite all the evidence that he may have been set up by a avowed racist cop.
remember before obama won the election there was no such thing as the tea party, @ least i never heard of the prior too. i believe they might be a minority in comparison, but what's to stop them from growing? and tuh tell yuh the truth, it's not the size of the following, but the influence and the money and political power behind the movement. ;)
Iwas in the Military too....I rememebr OJ also..and guess what he get away with murder..black america was glad to see him get off becasue ah Tyson etc. No way dat f**ker deserve to walk.
The tea pary form when Bush W was President also...check the facts![/color]
I never said they weren't, i was just trying to say that they rared their heads when a black man became the head honcho. as for OJ, this thing ain't about OJ boss, but rather how divided the country was and still is, and not bc you was in the military don't mean that what i proposed was invalid.
all i'm saying is i don't trust white america, especially in this uneasy climate of recession and economic down turn together with the power base slipping out the hands of the white male power structure.
Old white man Power done slip..political power that is.
Yuh said there was no Tea Party until after Obama was elected. so forgive me for misunderstanding and they did rear their ugly head from de time dey form..not when Obama came to power.
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You know just this morning I talking about this. How scared they are, how confused they are at their world being turned upside down. How the slaves are running the big house and the plantation, that is just not right. You see how many breakdowns these fellas had on TV and in other medium.
For so long their propaganda was perpetuated unchecked. They told black people that they were minorities and that there is nothing they could do to change that. They told women they were minority and that there is nothing they could do to change that. They told the Spanish speaking communities that they were minorities and there is nothing they could do to change that. The status quo never really believed that these groups could bring them any harm. They never thought that these groups would combine their effort against the status quo. After all the divide and conquer worked so well for so long.
Slavery, 2 WW, a great depression, 9/11, Katrina, etc and a black man get 4 years to run the plantation and it is the worst in history? This 2nd 4 years is absolutely gnawing at their balls. This new gun play is not by chance as they need to remind the status quo of where their power lies and to regain their wherewithal to regain some balls and take on these intruders and put the plantation back right.
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So no white people support Obama? More white people voted for Obama than did black people!
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is not only black people who have to worry...the plan is to get rid of the 2nd Amendment, which in turn will give the UN reason to come in here and enforce the no gun law, once America under control 90-95% of the world's population will be knocked off.
btw I'm no Republican and don't even own a gun..i just the messenger lol
not to derail yuh thread so i will start another thread later on today on what i think is going to happen.
I think you out in de wilderness too long yes...
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After reading further... I think is best I leave this thread before I ketch whatever it is going around in here tiefin' people head yes lol
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So no white people support Obama? More white people voted for Obama than did black people!
Soooo....if a black man marry a white woman it means he eh racist or if ah white woman marry a black man she eh or cyah be racist ??? ::)
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TT how yuh so contrary man?? i not saying that it eh have white ppl who's not friends of the struggle, that would never change, but they are often in the minority.
you feel the propaganda machine easy. remember is 400 yrs of slavery followed by 100 yrs of jimcrowe happened in the country boss and it was supported by the masses.
there was only a small minority who actually cared enough to assist in freeing slaves and bringing about social reform.
also don't forget all these immigrants from eastern europe who never saw a black person face to face before they came here may have a point to prove and may want in on the action, all i saying is that i feel uneasy.
i used to hear this rhetoric yrs ago but always dismissed it as doltish talk, but now i watching these young white folk very close and they IMO is devoid of social consciousness just like their great grandparents, and their mind set and lack of activism leaves me wondering about what the future holds for the next few generations in respect of, not so much race relations, but social justice and equality.
remember a donkey and his owner have ah good working relationship as long as the donkey do what he's told and tow the line, but the donkey must never forget who is boss and who runs the show if he intends to continue along an uninterrupted smooth path.
IMO race relations is very similar to the animal owner dynamic, it's only valid when the powerless understand and know their place in society and tow the line without ah peep, but the day they decide to assume the position of independent thinkers, that's the day the relationship severs and war, ethnic cleansing, uprising and total domination could be only alternative.
remember black ppl walking ah real tight rope in this society eh boss, despite all the obvious achievements, we're still under the microscope, and still not out the woods IMO.
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Here's another white is right website.
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/
ah wonder if there are any web sites that promote and champion black hatred against whites and other ethnic groups ? i would be surprised.
apart from the religious fanatical groups like the nation of islam and the wacky hebrew israelites i seriously doubt it..
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i tellin allyuh i doh trust these ppl, and morso after obama got elected for a second time. i doh feel good about this @ all. black ppl allyuh better arm allyuh self good eh!! :nailbiting:
is not only black people who have to worry...the plan is to get rid of the 2nd Amendment, which in turn will give the UN reason to come in here and enforce the no gun law, once America under control 90-95% of the world's population will be knocked off.
btw I'm no Republican and don't even own a gun..i just the messenger lol
not to derail yuh thread so i will start another thread later on today on what i think is going to happen.
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgoshegqAn1qbazqio1_500.jpg)
is that really a tin foil hat for curly hair? ;D
allyuh keep laughing...Obama is ah Reptilian hybrid ;)
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i tellin allyuh i doh trust these ppl, and morso after obama got elected for a second time. i doh feel good about this @ all. black ppl allyuh better arm allyuh self good eh!! :nailbiting:
is not only black people who have to worry...the plan is to get rid of the 2nd Amendment, which in turn will give the UN reason to come in here and enforce the no gun law, once America under control 90-95% of the world's population will be knocked off.
btw I'm no Republican and don't even own a gun..i just the messenger lol
not to derail yuh thread so i will start another thread later on today on what i think is going to happen.
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgoshegqAn1qbazqio1_500.jpg)
is that really a tin foil hat for curly hair? ;D
allyuh keep laughing...Obama is ah Reptilian hybrid ;)
Feliziano, make the post nah man, ah want to participate.
BTW these fellas on here do not believe in conspiracy theories bro, they believe that the game is fair and square, and there's no eye in the sky. go figure.
make the thread nah man and forget these fellas.
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i tellin allyuh i doh trust these ppl, and morso after obama got elected for a second time. i doh feel good about this @ all. black ppl allyuh better arm allyuh self good eh!! :nailbiting:
is not only black people who have to worry...the plan is to get rid of the 2nd Amendment, which in turn will give the UN reason to come in here and enforce the no gun law, once America under control 90-95% of the world's population will be knocked off.
btw I'm no Republican and don't even own a gun..i just the messenger lol
not to derail yuh thread so i will start another thread later on today on what i think is going to happen.
WTF! This is the exact same thing them white militants in the hills of Kentucky, down in Mississippi and David Lynch have been saying. Like you drink the cool aid.
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When I get back from vacation JC ;)
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These fackin ppl doh want tuh live and let live @ all boy!!!
Imagine after 400 yrs of chattel slavery and a hundred yrs of jimcrow, colonialism, terrorism (KKK lynchings), lack of opportunity, poverty, police brutality and racial profiling you would think that they had their fill, and mind you we took it all with grace and still wanted to forgive and forget, and after all this, these mdfckrs still wont let go, is wah dem really want boy??!!!
http://niggermania.net/forum/forum.php
Jus Cool,
you have every right to be upset. I would.
I don't mean to fan the flames but this ignorance works on both sides. In Toronto where I live we have racism from all groups but no one is more bold about it than the Afro West Indians. It's not abnormal to see them kicking a person up and down the street, laughing and jumping up Carnival style whilst they spew the most disgusting racsim words and telling people we doing this "because you white." Their ignorance is not limited to just whites.
I met a friend of mine whol told me that in her highschool, the black students used Friday afternoons as "beat whitey day." This went on for months until a white student was beaten into a coma. The parents won a suit against the School Board but the perpetrators were never charged or convicted. This was never reported in the news. I made it clear to her what some country Indians would have done to that school.
Sure others are racist in Toronto but they wouldn't dare try that shi% and they certainly wouldn't get away with it.
I am by no means making an excuse for that filth you saw.
But racism is a sickening disease we all have to put up with from different avenues.
VB
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Come on VB, this bullsh!t?? oh really guy?? really??!!
here i am making note of an astonishing rise in hate groups growing in great numbers especially through internet recruitment, and this site of which i stumbled upon in particular, which is one of, if not the most distasteful i've seen on the internet to date!
matter of fact it's the only reason i posted this...... is mainly bc of ppl like you who always have a problem when "WHITE" racism is put in the spot light, and to show that there's a genuine cause for concern, and your best contribution is this fackin slop!!
here i am confronting institutional racism while trying to provoking open dialogue and the best you could come up with is this BS about black uneducated low income yutes in toronto wilding out against white ppl as a contribution??
not justifying the bullsh!t in any way, but every one with ah brain and an incling of knowledge of the sociological aspects of inner city life knows that this is mare bullying, something "poor" ignorant ppl are prone too, especially amongst the yutes.
i'm sure most of these yutes did not learn this in the home, but out there in the streets where they spend most of their time.
it's ah known fact that most of these black yutes in T O are of caribbean parentage of which the majority come from single parent homes, so while mammy out there busting her arse tuh provide, these little clowns with nothing to do, find themselves out and about making ill use of their free time.
like i said, not condoning it, but to compare institutional racism with toronto's young black trouble makers, is like a new born baby matching whits with a veteran harvard professor, no comparison!
you talk about lil black boys fackin with white kids, but the opposite has been happening for decades in this country, and it's almost never addressed! how yuh eh takin bout dat?? remember i have my own stories to tell as well.
many black kids had to run for dare life every evening after school out in places like sheepshead bay, bensonhurst, brightenbeach, crossbay boulevaurd, midwood, forrest-hills woodhaven and many more areas which are too many to mention which would make this toronto scenario look like ah joke!
for yrs under institutional racism black ppl especially black males, have been kept down and out of the economic race, with lack of home and business loans, denial of great employment opportunities especially when they met the standard of requirements,
well educated black men who held many degrees being sidelined or over looked for non blacks who were way less qualified.
right now i know @ least ten friends with masters degrees ranging from accounting, international banking to computer engineering, to aircraft maintenance who have been doing menial jobs to survive bc they couldn't find employment, and i mean before the economic down turn came around eh.
just recently two of my breddren decided to abandon their area of expertise for jobs that they never wanted. one just got accepted to the police academy, and another with transit as a motorman.
these men have masters degrees and yet couldn't find employment, one is an accountant and the other a degree in systems networking and no one would hire them in cooperate america.
a lot of allyuh non blacks feel just bc the door has been open to you, means that white america is fair game. like allyuh forget that anyone who had the balls to oppose whitey will rot in the dog house forever.
just look @ the natives of this land, they were literally destroyed and broken, just bc they had the will to fight back and resist colonization. what about the black man who was fighting white man rule ever since they laid eyes on us.
is billions they spend just to break us and keep us from ever rising up against them. you think is just so the black american male became worthless, how could ah ppl go from zero to 100 in the space of 40 yrs??
it's ah fact that after slavery african americans made major contribution in the relm of science and economics, forinstance the amount of educated men who arose after slavery was astounding!
black ppl even went on to build prosperous townships, 13 in all by the turn of the century, like the black wall street "greenwood" tulsa oaklahoma that was burned to the ground by the klan, also harlem which was a gem in the late 18 and early 1900s, but was plagued with drugs in the 60ies and seventies and that saw it's demise.
yrs of planning by white america, and these townships came to naught. and it didn't stop there! many times over black ppl tried to reemerge, but always found obstacles in their way.
breds i could go on and on, but i will cool it here. allyuh fellas does only talk when blackman addressing whiteman oppression, always trying to subjugate the discourse and show where others were just as guilty, but would never talk up when whiteman address black ppls misgivings, or even come to our defense.
i doh know bout you, but ever since this whiteman came out of europe, he reaped havoc on the earth's inhabitants, including human, plant and animal life, and doh matter what yuh say, no race eh make for mischief than the white race!
i not saying that all white fall into this category. i know there are really decent white ppl out there, some of them friends of mine, but there's no mistaking it, the bad ones are real forkin devilish!
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Now tell me if i should trust these fackin ppl!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_72I5FA80s
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Come on VB, this bullsh!t?? oh really guy?? really??!!
here i am making note of an astonishing rise in hate groups growing in great numbers especially through internet recruitment, and this site of which i stumbled upon in particular, which is one of, if not the most distasteful i've seen on the internet to date!
breds i could go on and on, but i will cool it here. allyuh fellas does only talk when blackman addressing whiteman oppression, always trying to subjugate the discourse and show where others were just as guilty, but would never talk up when whiteman address black ppls misgivings, or even come to our defense.
i doh know bout you, but ever since this whiteman came out of europe, he reaped havoc on the earth's inhabitants, including human, plant and animal life, and doh matter what yuh say, no race eh make for mischief than the white race!
i not saying that all white fall into this category. i know there are really decent white ppl out there, some of them friends of mine, but there's no mistaking it, the bad ones are real forkin devilish!
I could see we going to digress big time here but.....
First of all I don't think you are ignorant JC but I noticed you have a lot of social, political excuses for ignorant black ppl who are racist to others. In fact when I witness these crimes in Toronto, the same blacks who apparently hate racism are practically comatose whilst they watch black ppl beat and abuse others racially (always a West Indian, never an Afrcian and we have as many of them in T O.). Yet they want to cite "the social and political conditions these young people have had to live under). Well most of "these young people" are living in middle class neighbourhoods -which they turn to ghettos - becz decent ppl don't want to live around them - and are attending University. Yet seem to think that they and they alone have some special right to being racially ignorant, with a smile to boot. I've had many of these West Indians refuse to attend to me in certain offices or at University but go sprinting towards a black person who walks in after me.
An opressed history does not give you the right to lash out at innocent people. I'm always galled at people who come to somebody else's country, behave ignorant, racist, abuse people, laugh about it and then turn around and say don't do it to us.
Some may be suffering a social whiplash but some use it as a convenient excuse to be c**tS. It's true freedom indeed to go abroad and get away with such behaviour.
I will not speak about other cities becz I dont' live there. But I can tell you that in Toronto it has NOTHING to dow with single parenting, lower income or non education. It's pure arrogance. when ever black West Indians come to me bawling about racism in TO, I simply ask them what do they do about the most racist group of all - the black West Indians - pointing out the abuse on the metro and buses. Every time they just slink off with a vex look on their face. Unlike you - they are well aware of what goes on in TO and they have some shame and don't try to defend it.
I will tell you if I ever see these people kicking my family in the head up and down the street and saying is because of their race. I will buss a cap in dey as%. When five or ten of them are dead they can bawl all the oppression they want. I will make the jail and I will not use the colour of my skin/racial/social/political implications as an excuse.
You have a reasoning for these poor, lower income, single parent blacks who don't know better. What about whites who grow up in the deep south or aparthied South Africa, who were programmed from birth to disparage. Should we give them a bligh too or is that only reserved for black people
THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR RACISM - BLACK OR WHITE.
VB
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Like you goin fackin mad or what fella?? i don't see the correlation?
what de fack this got tuh do with what i was dealing with?? how in de fack is this even relevant? yuh way off topic guy!
im addressing institutional racism here in america boss, come on, yuh head eh good or what??!!
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BTW mr VB. i see yuh could find fault with black canadians and point out their (according to you) obvious racist disposition, but what about we go near to home.
take trinidad forinstance, where the hindu population is some of the most disgusting racist arseholes in the whole of the caribbean basin outside of guyana.
it so dutty and stink that i met ppl from all over the world here in new york (including hispanics, and whites) who complain about trini and guyanese indians and their racist disposition, but you eh have nothing to say bout that, but instead yuh all up in arms about BlACK PPL IN CANADA.
WELL LET ME TELL YOU THIS, AND I WILL SAY IT WITH NO REMORSE!! IMO black ppl are the least racist of all races!! yeh i said it!
i see hate groups in great numbers with all the other races except black ppl! and yes we have one or two "so called" militant groups who practice reverse racism, but they are relatively harmless. the nation of islam and the hebrew israelite are basically rabble-rousers and nothing more.
the hebrew jokers say when Christ come he will kill and enslave all the other races "including africans", but they never said that it was what they was going to do, but rather "GOD" and the angels will put down this work.
the other mad men "the nation of islam" say that their ancient ancestors who livin on another planet will come back wid space ships and destroy the whiteman and they will live happily ever after in ah white free society compliments of the ancestors.
another "so called" hate group would be the black panthers, or what is left of them who IMO is ah ded and far gone organization, and these men is not about killing or hurting anyone except in defense of their ppl.
now lets me examine all the white and other hate groups that exist who's primary target is to kill ppl of negroid decent, shall we.
the aryian nation, who wants to finish the job hitler started, we all know their plans is to destroy blacks and jew and bring about white domination on the earth, like if we don't have enough of that already.
the KKK, well we all see what they could do, since they have been in action for the better part of 100 yrs.
the neo nzai, not to be mistaken with the aryian nation, they just like their fellow hatemongaring brothers, who wants all blacks in chains and the death of all jews, and not only that, but i could see you in ah nice short pant buffing floors and buttlering for free if yuh lucky bc you not exempt from their plans.
the neo confederation, oh yeh, another hate group that exalts hitler and have plans of taking over america and making it ah pure white state again. they also have chapters of these haters all over europe and canada.
a new phenomenon has taken root here in our fair land where mexicans and central americans wants ah piece of black america as well, the latinos hate group eastside torrance gang, they go around beating and killing black ppl in LA, we also have the latin kings which is more ah street gang, but they themselves mainly carry out attack on black ppl who venture into their territory.
there are also asian (mongoloid) and pakistani hate groups in the UK that target blacks exclusively and kiss whetey arse who colonized them for the better part of ah 100 yrs, go figure.
but we are the only people who doh go out there preaching hate and killing others for the sake of their ethnicity or racial difference.
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In Toronto where I live we have racism from all groups but no one is more bold about it than the Afro West Indians. It's not abnormal to see them kicking a person up and down the street, laughing and jumping up Carnival style whilst they spew the most disgusting racsim words and telling people we doing this "because you white."
I met a friend of mine whol told me that in her highschool, the black students used Friday afternoons as "beat whitey day." This went on for months until a white student was beaten into a coma.
VB
VB, "not abnormal..?" unadulterated anecdotal exaggerations and stereotyping (in other less diplomatic words ... pure BS).. come on man, stop perpetuating this nonsense.
I lived in TO and my family and my wife family still live in TO. If this was normal behavior. I am certain I would have heard about it and it would have been all over the media. Just the other day, Mother Theresa's (high school in Scarborough) was under lock down because some students brought gun(s) to school. All over the blasted media - radio, TV and papers. yet a kid being beaten into a coma in a race-related attack? not one peep in the media?
Stop with the hearsay and provide actual evidence of these behaviors if indeed they are true.
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In Toronto where I live we have racism from all groups but no one is more bold about it than the Afro West Indians. It's not abnormal to see them kicking a person up and down the street, laughing and jumping up Carnival style whilst they spew the most disgusting racsim words and telling people we doing this "because you white."
I met a friend of mine whol told me that in her highschool, the black students used Friday afternoons as "beat whitey day." This went on for months until a white student was beaten into a coma.
VB
VB, "not abnormal..?" unadulterated anecdotal exaggerations and stereotyping (in other less diplomatic words ... pure BS).. come on man, stop perpetuating this nonsense.
I lived in TO and my family and my wife family still live in TO. If this was normal behavior. I am certain I would have heard about it and it would have been all over the media. Just the other day, Mother Theresa's (high school in Scarborough) was under lock down because some students brought gun(s) to school. All over the blasted media - radio, TV and papers. yet a kid being beaten into a coma in a race-related attack? not one peep in the media?
Stop with the hearsay and provide actual evidence of these behaviors if indeed they are true.
Yuh know pecan, it's ah regular occurence amongst the ppl who live comfortably where they tend to take an extremely subjective stance on race relations like it's magical or an inherent disposition, and instead of taking an educated objective view of the problem, they tend to allow their preconceived notions, fear, emotions and even prejudice to cloud their judgement.
some people don't ever rationalize or even delve into the dynamics of social abnormalities, but rather conclude on a matter based on feelings or bias.
i know for a fact that no one is inherently good or bad, but culture, situations, environment or circumstances could be key factors in the social break down and decadence of any one group in a society.
i happened to believe that there's much to be said about the end result in any situation whether good or bad, and sometimes in the case of black hate(especially on an organized level) which is extremely rare, IMO i believed it is bred from the hate that hate produced!
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Pecan.. times are changing in the tdot my friend. Can't comment on the beat into a coma thing, but we have some youths now who just destructive and advantageous. They are ruining a solid community those of us (and before us) worked hard to establish. Is it the norm as VB mentioned? Probably not, but it's getting increasingly common.
JC. Since you mentioned the nasty hindus from Trinidad I have to ask. Do you feel the average Trinibagonian is less or more fearful of the racist stinking Hindu or those socially depressed you're always defending?
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Pecan.. times are changing in the tdot my friend. Can't comment on the beat into a coma thing, but we have some youths now who just destructive and advantageous. They are ruining a solid community those of us (and before us) worked hard to establish. Is it the norm as VB mentioned? Probably not, but it's getting increasingly common.
JC. Since you mentioned the nasty hindus from Trinidad I have to ask. Do you feel the average Trinibagonian is less or more fearful of the racist stinking Hindu or those socially depressed you're always defending?
are these incidents GTA widespread or localized to certain communities?
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Pecan.. times are changing in the tdot my friend. Can't comment on the beat into a coma thing, but we have some youths now who just destructive and advantageous. They are ruining a solid community those of us (and before us) worked hard to establish. Is it the norm as VB mentioned? Probably not, but it's getting increasingly common.
JC. Since you mentioned the nasty hindus from Trinidad I have to ask. Do you feel the average Trinibagonian is less or more fearful of the racist stinking Hindu or those socially depressed you're always defending?
Breds, i am not a criminologist, and as i told VB before, i don't want to talk about petty squabbles in canada amongst some dutty bottom boy who smellin they self, i live in america and i'm addressing some of the rising problems we have here with "institutional" fackin racism, not some bush league dumb ass bottoms feeders who is menacing their society.
the thing that VB is fearful of IMO is thugism, and i am not addressing that, i am talking about the racist arseholes here in this great land!
if you VB and who else want to descend on that topic then allyuh should tuh start ah thread called "niggers wilding out in canada and fackin up our little utopia we have goin on up here in the ice box", and if that's the case then feel free to discuss it on another thread.
right now i want tuh talk about the big bad whiteman down here who gettin ready tuh spring on muddafackers!
BTW mr jumbie, ah notice you and certain man on here does only jump @ a topic when it have something to do with addressing racial tension, ah also notice that the average trini who doh necessarily identify wid black unless it's quite convenient to do so does tend to run to defend anyone who dare to take ah solid black proactive stand, it's almost like it does make allyuh uncomfortable to even hear it.
most ppl of color who livin in foreign now and enjoying the liberties that ppl not too long ago who looked like them was unable to enjoy doh ever consider that ppl had to bleed for that, allyuh ever wonder how dat came about??
it almost like the ppl on a chow line, they just line up with their plates in their hands, not considering the work that had to go into making that meal they are bout to partake of.
they actually believe that the white masses woke up one day and concluded that they should start treating ppl of color as equals. BTW do yuhs guys ever consider that man had tuh ded for in order for yuhs to enjoy those liberties?? so allyuh could walk round canada acting like sh!t was always like that?
now tuh even talk about it does make real ppl uncomfortable, bc allyuh feel it never had no struggle, and if it did then "that's in the past" no need tuh revisit it!
well i'm gonna talk about it, and if it make yuh uncomfortable then doh reads it, that's all.
BTW, i did not call hindus nasty or stinking! i suggest if yuh want to quote me then do so without misinterpreting the grammar! for the record, i said that their "racist disposition" was dutty, not the ppl.
take ah fackin english comprehension class bro, and stop putting your words in my mouth, it don't taste too good!
and yeh, you said if the average trinbagonian would be more fearful of the hindu or the socially depressed that i always defending?
well it depends on how yuh look @ it. now i cyar speak for ah whole nation, but i could definitely tell yuh which one i will prefer. i rather deal with the wid devil i could see, rather than the ones weh hidin, bc the savage who doh know himself with the gun and the bad attitude could not survive without the help of the supplier.
for yrs now fellas like naim niah, teddy mice khan, dole chadee bringing in cocaine into our island, then they began to bring guns to protect their product.
now if you know anything about drug dealing, then you would know that yuh need poor uneducated ppl tuh retail drugs, fellas who have it not sitting on ah corner peddling no dope, rather it's the unemployable and desperate who does do the dirty work. they don't know where the thing coming from, all they doin is sellin it.
So if you don't want to say it then i will, iz the indians and the syrians who fack up trinidad! is them who is the capitalist, and they have been bringing guns, ammo and drugs in this country for over three decades! every body know nigger eh have no money or contacts, so where are they getting the gun drugs and bullets to shoot ppl with?
i tellin yuh what i know. i can't speak about the present, but back in the 80ies yuh couldn't buy cocaine from the spanish them with no other currency but USD.
i used to dibble in US currency in the eighties, and back then there was a basic allowance of foreign exchange for citizens and businessmen. businessmen were allowed more than travelers, set up by the ministry of industry and commerce, so if yuh pass yuh quoter for the yr then yuh were arsed out.
we used to buy phoney tickets (from a well known indian travel agent) and would go to the bank with ppl who were willing to sell us their basic allowance. we would then take the travelers checks and sell them back to indian and syrian business men, guess what they was doin with the checks??
like i said, if they did not open that gate and kept it open, then these uneducated savages would not be reaping havoc on the society, since they are the dogs and the capitalist is who trained them and unleashed them on we, i say i rather deal wid the dogs than the far more intelligent master!
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take care your not spreading the cancer rather than curing it eh bro.
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In Toronto where I live we have racism from all groups but no one is more bold about it than the Afro West Indians. It's not abnormal to see them kicking a person up and down the street, laughing and jumping up Carnival style whilst they spew the most disgusting racsim words and telling people we doing this "because you white."
I met a friend of mine whol told me that in her highschool, the black students used Friday afternoons as "beat whitey day." This went on for months until a white student was beaten into a coma.
VB
VB, "not abnormal..?" unadulterated anecdotal exaggerations and stereotyping (in other less diplomatic words ... pure BS).. come on man, stop perpetuating this nonsense.
I lived in TO and my family and my wife family still live in TO. If this was normal behavior. I am certain I would have heard about it and it would have been all over the media. Just the other day, Mother Theresa's (high school in Scarborough) was under lock down because some students brought gun(s) to school. All over the blasted media - radio, TV and papers. yet a kid being beaten into a coma in a race-related attack? not one peep in the media?
Stop with the hearsay and provide actual evidence of these behaviors if indeed they are true.
Yuh know pecan, it's ah regular occurence amongst the ppl who live comfortably where they tend to take an extremely subjective stance on race relations like it's magical or an inherent disposition, and instead of taking an educated objective view of the problem, they tend to allow their preconceived notions, fear, emotions and even prejudice to cloud their judgement.
some people don't ever rationalize or even delve into the dynamics of social abnormalities, but rather conclude on a matter based on feelings or bias.
i know for a fact that no one is inherently good or bad, but culture, situations, environment or circumstances could be key factors in the social break down and decadence of any one group in a society.
i happened to believe that there's much to be said about the end result in any situation whether good or bad, and sometimes in the case of black hate(especially on an organized level) which is extremely rare, IMO i believed it is bred from the hate that hate produced!
JC, I could see you have some fixed opinions and you have your mind set.
I will tell you that all the different ethnic groups in TO are racist. The worst are the black WI, yes worse than the Indians and the Guyanese Indians and they're bad. In fact I disassociate with most Guyanese Indians becz I get fed up of their racist talk. But they eh mad enough to try what the Blacks do because the army go have to come out for crowd control.
Pecan, I not even a little bit surprised at what you say. I don't know where you live but I live in the GTA where it is rampant. NEVER heard a news report on this (except once). Usually saw it or my friends saw it and told me. I'm glad you mentioned the Press. Becz when we see this crap, I hear the whites around me saying something like "Well that's not racist right?? Only when white ppl do it right?? How come this isn't on CNN or the news, only when white ppl do it right?
And I tell them to do what black people would do in this case, get about a hundred of themselves together, stand up where the incident took place, bawl and scream like black ppl and threaten to boycott all the stores in the area. Then they will get their CNN coverage.
I EH ASKING. You know how many times I've seen this shi*. Or my friends family or colleagues get beat!!
I live in the GTA and it is real.
If I had said I see INdians or whites do this everybody woulda keep they as* quiet. But is black ppl so let's get together and make an excuse for them.
As a journalist I stopped writing for the C'bbn papers in TO bcz of their racist agenda (this was in the 90s). I get flack from Indians for not agreeing with their racist views. So I have no agenda.
However after two decades of witnessing this shi% (I take public transit and this where I see most of it) I doh give a f*&k what anybody says. TO is my city too.
Pecan I can only hope what I've seen happen to some of these people doh ever happen to your children.
I want to close off by saying some of my best friends in TO are black WIs because they are DECENT PPL. In fact I usually avoid liming in an Indian majority becz of the cutlass (but that's a different issue). But a dick is a dick no matter what race and I call it as I see it.
In my opinion, it's only about 30% of the WI pop that are like this, 60% eh give one ass but too smart or educated to show it publicly and 10% totally don't support that behaviour.
VB
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I does usually just read and stay out on these topics... but VB i think you missing the point. JC have a way he does write and present heself that maybe a lil too militant and forthright.
But what you talking bout is really apples and oranges and you getting defensive for no reason.
IMO JC dropping some truth in here, especially as concerns his response to Jumbie.
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Pecan.. times are changing in the tdot my friend. Can't comment on the beat into a coma thing, but we have some youths now who just destructive and advantageous. They are ruining a solid community those of us (and before us) worked hard to establish. Is it the norm as VB mentioned? Probably not, but it's getting increasingly common.
JC. Since you mentioned the nasty hindus from Trinidad I have to ask. Do you feel the average Trinibagonian is less or more fearful of the racist stinking Hindu or those socially depressed you're always defending?
Breds, i am not a criminologist, and as i told VB before, i don't want to talk about petty squabbles in canada amongst some dutty bottom boy who smellin they self, i live in america and i'm addressing some of the rising problems we have here with "institutional" fackin racism, not some bush league dumb ass bottoms feeders who is menacing their society.
the thing that VB is fearful of IMO is thugism, and i am not addressing that, i am talking about the racist arseholes here in this great land!
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When you're beating people and calling them racist names and telling them it's because of their race, it's racism."
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like i said, if they did not open that gate and kept it open, then these uneducated savages would not be reaping havoc on the society, since they are the dogs and the capitalist is who trained them and unleashed them on we!
So now let we blame the white man for giving people a chance for a better life.
VB
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I does usually just read and stay out on these topics... but VB i think you missing the point. JC have a way he does write and present heself that maybe a lil too militant and forthright.
But what you talking bout is really apples and oranges and you getting defensive for no reason.
IMO JC dropping some truth in here, especially as concerns his response to Jumbie.
FF,
Perhaps you're right.
I just think rampant racism is just wrong. Whether is brutality on the street or someone with a "nigger" forum.
VB
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So VB you willing to give white racism ah pass since you don't have to deal with it bc the white canadians in your area might be ah little more progressive and less racist to your kind than the blacks? how subjective ah view.
have you ever heard of the hate that hate produced? maybe that's what you're dealing with there in canada.
i posted three sites and IMO all of them were utterly disturbing, but you and jumbie jumped @ the opportunity to curb me, but had nothing to say about "nigermania.net" and the unsavory comment therein, nor 'stormfront.org" who's member would like nothing better than to fetter me and put my kind back on the plantation which they have already done in the guise of the "prison industrial complex".
now i don't want to marginalize your experience there in TO, but i'm dealing with real devils who's getting set to either starve my kind out, or worst yet, euthanize us, and you worried about some powerless uneducated black ppl who have no means of hurting you from a distance?? steuwpsss
BTW, what do you think about what happened in tulsa oklahoma?? where three hundred progressive black ppl was killed in 24 hrs and their city was leveled to the ground? or maybe that's not your problem so who cares right? go figure.
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I does usually just read and stay out on these topics... but VB i think you missing the point. JC have a way he does write and present heself that maybe a lil too militant and forthright.
But what you talking bout is really apples and oranges and you getting defensive for no reason.
IMO JC dropping some truth in here, especially as concerns his response to Jumbie.
FF,
Perhaps you're right.
I just think rampant racism is just wrong. Whether is brutality on the street or someone with a "nigger" forum.
VB
I"m beginning to think that you might be ah member on that forum since they say anybody could join and have a go @ the nappy headed devil.
maybe you could ask them about how to deal with the niggers who are menacing your block. ;)
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Pecan, I not even a little bit surprised at what you say. I don't know where you live but I live in the GTA where it is rampant. NEVER heard a news report on this (except once). Usually saw it or my friends saw it and told me. I'm glad you mentioned the Press. Becz when we see this crap, I hear the whites around me saying something like "Well that's not racist right?? Only when white ppl do it right?? How come this isn't on CNN or the news, only when white ppl do it right?
And I tell them to do what black people would do in this case, get about a hundred of themselves together, stand up where the incident took place, bawl and scream like black ppl and threaten to boycott all the stores in the area. Then they will get their CNN coverage.
I EH ASKING. You know how many times I've seen this shi*. Or my friends family or colleagues get beat!!
I live in the GTA and it is real.
If I had said I see INdians or whites do this everybody woulda keep they as* quiet. But is black ppl so let's get together and make an excuse for them.
As a journalist I stopped writing for the C'bbn papers in TO bcz of their racist agenda (this was in the 90s). I get flack from Indians for not agreeing with their racist views. So I have no agenda.
However after two decades of witnessing this shi% (I take public transit and this where I see most of it) I doh give a f*&k what anybody says. TO is my city too.
Pecan I can only hope what I've seen happen to some of these people doh ever happen to your children.
I want to close off by saying some of my best friends in TO are black WIs because they are DECENT PPL. In fact I usually avoid liming in an Indian majority becz of the cutlass (but that's a different issue). But a dick is a dick no matter what race and I call it as I see it.
In my opinion, it's only about 30% of the WI pop that are like this, 60% eh give one ass but too smart or educated to show it publicly and 10% totally don't support that behaviour.
VB
VB, you keep providing anecdotal evidence.
I EH ASKING. You know how many times I've seen this shi*. Or my friends family or colleagues get beat!!
I live in the GTA and it is real.
No, I do not know how many times you have seen this shi*. So, how many times? and exactly what is this shi*? You mentioned "kicking" and verbal attacks. Are you telling me that it is normal for 30% of black WI to physically assault people on the subway and the bus. That is what I hear you saying. I am sorry, I refuse to rely on anecdotal commentary. Give me some real life data. TTC have enough CCTV cameras. Are you saying that these white people does take beat up, or your friends and family does get beat and doh go to the police? If it was as common as you say, it would be spilling out in the press much the same way Ford belly does spill out over his belt.
In my opinion, it's only about 30% of the WI pop that are like this, 60% eh give one ass but too smart or educated to show it publicly and 10% totally don't support that behaviour.
I mean you asserting that 90% of the black WI population chose to ignore or condone beating up white and indian on the TTC and doh care???
Where in de hell you getting these stats??? I dont doubt there is a bad element as Jumbie alluded to. But the rampant behavour as you are suggesting is unbelievable. My daughter does ride the TTC everyday and believe me, if she observe what you described, I would be one of the first persons she would phone to tell me (and to most people she looks Indian).
I want to close off by saying some of my best friends in TO are black WIs because they are DECENT PPL.
Did you actually make this statement?
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So VB you willing to give white racism ah pass since you don't have to deal with it bc the white canadians in your area might be ah little more progressive and less racist to your kind than the blacks? how subjective ah view.
have you ever heard of the hate hate produced? maybe that's what you're dealing with there in canada.
i posted three sites and IMO all of them were utterly disturbing, but you and jumbie jumped @ the opportunity to curb me, but had nothing to say about "nigermania.net" and the unsavory comment therein, nor 'stormfront.org" who's member would like nothing better than to fetter me and put my kind back on the plantation which they have already done in the guise of the "prison industrial complex".
now i don't want to marginalize your experience there in TO, but i'm dealing with real devils who's getting set to either starve my kind out, or euthanize us, and you worried about some powerless uneducated black ppl who have no means of hurting you from a distance?? steuwpsss
BTW, what do you think about what happened in tulsa oklahoma?? where three hundred progressive black ppl was killed in 24 hrs and their city was leveled to the ground? or maybe that's not your problem so who cares right? go figure.
You're a COK HEAD or what???
When the Hell did I ever say white ppl should get a pass for racism??
I ever say I doh care about black ppl being killed or racially abused.
What about the Indians in Guyana who had their property burnt and belongings stolen from them in the 60s whilst the police just stood by and watched. And to this day most blacks in the WI have no idea what the Hell I talking about becz WI govts refuse to acknowledge it becz black ppl did it under a black govt.
Colin Croft admit it in an article the other day and I nearly fall out meh chair with shock. I wish I could find it now.
JC I doh blame you for being vex about the forum.
But don't we in TO have the right to vex too. No they eh want to euthanize ppl but it is rampant, racist behaviour for which you seem to have a ready made excuse.
VB
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VB, yuh still in Colombia?
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oh lawd ,guess those site working lol
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Pecan, I not even a little bit surprised at what you say. I don't know where you live but I live in the GTA where it is rampant.
VB i will concede that racist behaviour is present in all races (this is where JC and I disagree - eh JC? i don't make wide spread generalizations or blame the white man the way JC does ;))
Anyway, VB, what I take issue with you is your statements about how rampant the behaviour is amongst the black WI population in the GTA.
My side of the family is predominantly Indian. My wife side is predominantly black. the Families are primarily in Scarborough, and Etobicoke. We have yet to hear the horror stories you described as rampant and a common occurrence in the GTA, especially on the very public TTC. Maybe when my wife black family beat up people, they don't tell us because that is just a everyday normal thing. Or when my Indian family get beat up, they keep silent because of the shame (this is me being facetious - no emoticon to add for this).
I am surprised that all the Indian newscasters on CITY TV don't have more to say about this rampant issue.
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Pecan, I not even a little bit surprised at what you say. I don't know where you live but I live in the GTA where it is rampant. NEVER heard a news report on this (except once). Usually saw it or my friends saw it and told me. I'm glad you mentioned the Press. Becz when we see this crap, I hear the whites around me saying something like "Well that's not racist right?? Only when white ppl do it right?? How come this isn't on CNN or the news, only when white ppl do it right?
And I tell them to do what black people would do in this case, get about a hundred of themselves together, stand up where the incident took place, bawl and scream like black ppl and threaten to boycott all the stores in the area. Then they will get their CNN coverage.
I EH ASKING. You know how many times I've seen this shi*. Or my friends family or colleagues get beat!!
I live in the GTA and it is real.
If I had said I see INdians or whites do this everybody woulda keep they as* quiet. But is black ppl so let's get together and make an excuse for them.
As a journalist I stopped writing for the C'bbn papers in TO bcz of their racist agenda (this was in the 90s). I get flack from Indians for not agreeing with their racist views. So I have no agenda.
However after two decades of witnessing this shi% (I take public transit and this where I see most of it) I doh give a f*&k what anybody says. TO is my city too.
Pecan I can only hope what I've seen happen to some of these people doh ever happen to your children.
I want to close off by saying some of my best friends in TO are black WIs because they are DECENT PPL. In fact I usually avoid liming in an Indian majority becz of the cutlass (but that's a different issue). But a dick is a dick no matter what race and I call it as I see it.
In my opinion, it's only about 30% of the WI pop that are like this, 60% eh give one ass but too smart or educated to show it publicly and 10% totally don't support that behaviour.
VB
VB, you keep providing anecdotal evidence.
I EH ASKING. You know how many times I've seen this shi*. Or my friends family or colleagues get beat!!
I live in the GTA and it is real.
No, I do not know how many times you have seen this shi*. So, how many times? and exactly what is this shi*? You mentioned "kicking" and verbal attacks. Are you telling me that it is normal for 30% of black WI to physically assault people on the subway and the bus. That is what I hear you saying. I am sorry, I refuse to rely on anecdotal commentary. Give me some real life data. TTC have enough CCTV cameras. Are you saying that these white people does take beat up, or your friends and family does get beat and doh go to the police? If it was as common as you say, it would be spilling out in the press much the same way Ford belly does spill out over his belt.
In my opinion, it's only about 30% of the WI pop that are like this, 60% eh give one ass but too smart or educated to show it publicly and 10% totally don't support that behaviour.
I mean you asserting that 90% of the black WI population chose to ignore or condone beating up white and indian on the TTC and doh care???
Where in de hell you getting these stats??? I dont doubt there is a bad element as Jumbie alluded to. But the rampant behavour as you are suggesting is unbelievable. My daughter does ride the TTC everyday and believe me, if she observe what you described, I would be one of the first persons she would phone to tell me (and to most people she looks Indian).
I want to close off by saying some of my best friends in TO are black WIs because they are DECENT PPL.
Did you actually make this statement?
Pecan, I really glad you eh witness or experience this.
What part of TO you living in.
Yes, I am friends of decent ppl no matter what race and if you are a dick I'll point it out, no matter what race you are: AFrican, Indian, Chinese or any other.
I will give you two examples:
One day upon entering Finch subway, coming off the bus. I saw two black girls run past me towards three white girls. They slapped one hard across the head about twice. When she looked at them. They shouted it's because you're white. AT that point about five other black youths who had no idea what was going on ran over and they all started kicking the girls whilst on the ground. Shouting kick the white bitches, it's because you white.
This IMO only went for about 20 secs. But that's a lot of time when you getting multiple kicks.
They ran off laughing. Someon called the staff, who checked on the girls and called the police.
I then went on my way. Yes CC and what??? They gone off into a city of 6 million.
Why didn't the Press come, I don't know. Perhaps white ppl just don't call the press and bawl when racially attacked. I really don't know the answer.
The other was at Yorkdale Mall by the entrance near to what used to be the body shop.
My roomate worked there. Two of her colleagues on a break bumped into a J'can woman's infant. The child claimed that she was hit and the woman just started banging one girls head against a wall - now that's not what got me. What got me was about 10 black youths were walking by and having no idea what was going on, ran over and kicked both these girls up and down their body. The girls shouted at the ppl looking to call security but everybody just kept staring ( I believe they were probably in shock).
They ran off laughing, Yes security came and later the police. But they were gone. No it wasn't reported on the news.
The one time I got involved was some young black teenager just harassing an old Indian woman on the bus and calling her coolie. AFter years of watching this shit I just couldn't turn my head. So drop a kick on the first yute and told him to respect the woman. Well all o' dem start cussing...Coollie dis and coolie dat. I didn't want to be of those raggamuffing c**ts on public transit so I just let it go.
The poor woman was just riding the bus minding her own business. But if it had been a group of whites or Indians chanting nigger on the bus, I sure it woulda find its way to the Press.
I am curious as to what part of TO you in to never even see these things once.
VB
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Pecan, I not even a little bit surprised at what you say. I don't know where you live but I live in the GTA where it is rampant.
VB i will concede that racist behaviour is present in all races (this is where JC and I disagree - eh JC? i don't make wide spread generalizations or blame the white man the way JC does ;))
Anyway, VB, what I take issue with you is your statements about how rampant the behaviour is amongst the black WI population in the GTA.
My side of the family is predominantly Indian. My wife side is predominantly black. the Families are primarily in Scarborough, and Etobicoke. We have yet to hear the horror stories you described as rampant and a common occurrence in the GTA, especially on the very public TTC. Maybe when my wife black family beat up people, they don't tell us because that is just a everyday normal thing. Or when my Indian family get beat up, they keep silent because of the shame (this is me being facetious - no emoticon to add for this).
I am surprised that all the Indian newscasters on CITY TV don't have more to say about this rampant issue.
I glad for yuh. Both o' we in the GTA and very different experiences.
Well my classmates, colleagues and friends and I tired seeing it. Curious eh??
VB
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So VB you willing to give white racism ah pass since you don't have to deal with it bc the white canadians in your area might be ah little more progressive and less racist to your kind than the blacks? how subjective ah view.
have you ever heard of the hate hate produced? maybe that's what you're dealing with there in canada.
i posted three sites and IMO all of them were utterly disturbing, but you and jumbie jumped @ the opportunity to curb me, but had nothing to say about "nigermania.net" and the unsavory comment therein, nor 'stormfront.org" who's member would like nothing better than to fetter me and put my kind back on the plantation which they have already done in the guise of the "prison industrial complex".
now i don't want to marginalize your experience there in TO, but i'm dealing with real devils who's getting set to either starve my kind out, or euthanize us, and you worried about some powerless uneducated black ppl who have no means of hurting you from a distance?? steuwpsss
BTW, what do you think about what happened in tulsa oklahoma?? where three hundred progressive black ppl was killed in 24 hrs and their city was leveled to the ground? or maybe that's not your problem so who cares right? go figure.
You're a COK HEAD or what???
When the Hell did I ever say white ppl should get a pass for racism??
I ever say I doh care about black ppl being killed or racially abused.
What about the Indians in Guyana who had their property burnt and belongings stolen from them in the 60s whilst the police just stood by and watched. And to this day most blacks in the WI have no idea what the Hell I talking about becz WI govts refuse to acknowledge it becz black ppl did it under a black govt.
Colin Croft admit it in an article the other day and I nearly fall out meh chair with shock. I wish I could find it now.
JC I doh blame you for being vex about the forum.
But don't we in TO have the right to vex too. No they eh want to euthanize ppl but it is rampant, racist behaviour for which you seem to have a ready made excuse.
VB
Me ah cockhead?? i think you might be projecting here fella. if anything, you are the one who exudes the cock headish behavior more than anything else, bc we went from canada to guyana in ah flash, when the original topic was about institutional racism here in america!
but you insisted and was on about what blacks are doing in canada as opposed the the heinous violent comments and other statements made on those sites, of which which you flew passed like ah full bus and over looked just to show that blacks are just as racist or even moreso, which lead me to think that you are willing to give white racism a pass.
from where i stand i got the feeling that you were really trying to say " stop fackin complaining nigger and take what yuh get and be happy" bc your kind has been, and still is, fackin up indian ppl all over the place.
oh and yeh, i got indian frens too. ::)
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So VB you willing to give white racism ah pass since you don't have to deal with it bc the white canadians in your area might be ah little more progressive and less racist to your kind than the blacks? how subjective ah view.
have you ever heard of the hate hate produced? maybe that's what you're dealing with there in canada.
i posted three sites and IMO all of them were utterly disturbing, but you and jumbie jumped @ the opportunity to curb me, but had nothing to say about "nigermania.net" and the unsavory comment therein, nor 'stormfront.org" who's member would like nothing better than to fetter me and put my kind back on the plantation which they have already done in the guise of the "prison industrial complex".
now i don't want to marginalize your experience there in TO, but i'm dealing with real devils who's getting set to either starve my kind out, or euthanize us, and you worried about some powerless uneducated black ppl who have no means of hurting you from a distance?? steuwpsss
BTW, what do you think about what happened in tulsa oklahoma?? where three hundred progressive black ppl was killed in 24 hrs and their city was leveled to the ground? or maybe that's not your problem so who cares right? go figure.
You're a COK HEAD or what???
When the Hell did I ever say white ppl should get a pass for racism??
I ever say I doh care about black ppl being killed or racially abused.
What about the Indians in Guyana who had their property burnt and belongings stolen from them in the 60s whilst the police just stood by and watched. And to this day most blacks in the WI have no idea what the Hell I talking about becz WI govts refuse to acknowledge it becz black ppl did it under a black govt.
Colin Croft admit it in an article the other day and I nearly fall out meh chair with shock. I wish I could find it now.
JC I doh blame you for being vex about the forum.
But don't we in TO have the right to vex too. No they eh want to euthanize ppl but it is rampant, racist behaviour for which you seem to have a ready made excuse.
VB
Me ah cockhead?? i think you might be projecting here fella. if anything, you are the one who exudes the cock headish behavior more than anything else, bc we went from canada to guyana in ah flash, when the original topic was about institutional racism here in america!
but you insisted and was on about what blacks are doing in canada as opposed the the heinous violent comments and other statements made on those sites, of which which you flew passed like ah full bus and over looked just to show that blacks are just as racist or even moreso, which lead me to think that you are willing to give white racism a pass.
from where i stand i got the feeling that you were really trying to say " stop fackin complaining nigger and take what yuh get and be happy" bc your kind has been, and still is, fackin up indian ppl all over the place.
oh and yeh, i got indian frens too. ::)
Well you eh really get my point. So I go stop right there with you.
But one more time. Regardless of race, if you cool, I right there with you.
Regardless of race if you are a dick, I go tell you to your face and that includes my own race.
Can you say the same?
VB
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Pecan, I not even a little bit surprised at what you say. I don't know where you live but I live in the GTA where it is rampant.
VB i will concede that racist behaviour is present in all races (this is where JC and I disagree - eh JC? i don't make wide spread generalizations or blame the white man the way JC does ;))
Anyway, VB, what I take issue with you is your statements about how rampant the behaviour is amongst the black WI population in the GTA.
My side of the family is predominantly Indian. My wife side is predominantly black. the Families are primarily in Scarborough, and Etobicoke. We have yet to hear the horror stories you described as rampant and a common occurrence in the GTA, especially on the very public TTC. Maybe when my wife black family beat up people, they don't tell us because that is just a everyday normal thing. Or when my Indian family get beat up, they keep silent because of the shame (this is me being facetious - no emoticon to add for this).
I am surprised that all the Indian newscasters on CITY TV don't have more to say about this rampant issue.
What am i blaming the whiteman for? just 400 yrs of slavery and abuse, 100 yrs of colonialism, poverty, striping me of my identity, my name, my culture (as in taking every fackin thing away from me) and after all that abuse, he eh even as much as give my foreparents ah lot ah land for all they trouble so @ least they coulda plant ah small garden and build ah shack.
instead they went india wid they greedy arse and bring in ah ppl weh doh like no body tuh be meh neighbor, just bc ah din want tuh cut they cane fuh four cents no mo, and bc i demand better wages. so instead of paying meh ah decent wage they went and bring the french and portuguese boy, den finally the bangarra fella tuh replace meh, who had ah caste system that put nigger on the bottom like dutty stinking mongrel dog.
and if dat wasn't enough, they went and tell dem racist hearted ppl how nayger bad like mangrove crab and how they can't be trusted, and the reason they had tuh make dat long journey in the fuss place iz bc nayger lazy like pothound and fraid hard wok. they had all kinda ting tuh telll the indian fella about nayger tuh create ah mistrust from the start.
"watch the nayger, he like plenty sex and good times, and he will rape yuh wife and daughter if yuh eh keep him @ a distance," doh get too close, he can't be trusted, the best one is ah ded one.
then he turn around and tell the nayger the same ting, "coolie love money, and they would sell dey mudda and dey chirren for it" doh get too close, just keep him @ an arms length or else he would sell yuh out.
yeh, i eh have nothing against the master manipulator, nothing @ all except for all the things i just mentioned.
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Those websites stormfront in particular around for many years now..nutten new
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I glad for yuh. Both o' we in the GTA and very different experiences.
Well my classmates, colleagues and friends and I tired seeing it. Curious eh??
VB
I am extremely curious to learn more about these rampant incidents. You cite three examples that you have personally witnessed and I have to agree, if you see it happen three times, that is three times too much. But it is rampant? That is my question.
I will ask my daughter - she is currently enrolled in a Caribbean Lit course at UoT with Indian and Black and some white taught by a white prof - I'll will ask her to ask some question on the general experiences these folks have experienced. She travels by TTC day and night and reports the odd incident - like the time a boy (race not identified as an issue) watch she and say he want to take her breasts home. She tell him to bugger off. But she has yet to witness what you describe as common occurrences on the TTC
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What am i blaming the whiteman for? just 400 yrs of slavery and abuse, 100 yrs of colonialism, poverty, striping me of my identity, my name, my culture (as in taking every fackin thing away from me) and after all that abuse, he eh even as much as give my foreparents ah lot ah land for all they trouble so @ least they coulda plant ah small garden and build ah shack.
instead they went india wid they greedy arse and bring in ah ppl weh doh like no body tuh be meh neighbor, just bc ah din want tuh cut they cane fuh four cents no mo, and bc i demand better wages. so instead of paying meh ah decent wage they went and bring the french and portuguese boy, den finally the bangarra fella tuh replace meh, who had ah caste system that put nigger on the bottom like dutty stinking mongrel dog.
and if dat wasn't enough, they went and tell dem racist hearted ppl how nayger bad like mangrove crab and how they can't be trusted, and the reason they had tuh make dat long journey in the fuss place iz bc nayger lazy like pothound and fraid hard wok. they had all kinda ting tuh telll the indian fella about nayger tuh create ah mistrust from the start.
"watch the nayger, he like plenty sex and good times, and he will rape yuh wife and daughter if yuh eh keep him @ a distance," doh get too close, he can't be trusted, the best one is ah ded one.
then he turn around and tell the nayger the same ting, "coolie love money, and they would sell dey mudda and dey chirren for it" doh get too close, just keep him @ an arms length or else he would sell yuh out.
yeh, i eh have nothing against the master manipulator, nothing @ all except for all the things i just mentioned.
you and I have been through this before.
The examples you cite for recent transgressions (over the last 400 years) can be found in the annals of history. No one race holds a monopoly on subjugating other races. What the Europeans did to the Africans stands out because it is a more recent memory.
The race who had the bigger stick always took advantage of the race with the smaller stick and prejudices typically manifested as racism.
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So VB you willing to give white racism ah pass since you don't have to deal with it bc the white canadians in your area might be ah little more progressive and less racist to your kind than the blacks? how subjective ah view.
have you ever heard of the hate hate produced? maybe that's what you're dealing with there in canada.
i posted three sites and IMO all of them were utterly disturbing, but you and jumbie jumped @ the opportunity to curb me, but had nothing to say about "nigermania.net" and the unsavory comment therein, nor 'stormfront.org" who's member would like nothing better than to fetter me and put my kind back on the plantation which they have already done in the guise of the "prison industrial complex".
now i don't want to marginalize your experience there in TO, but i'm dealing with real devils who's getting set to either starve my kind out, or euthanize us, and you worried about some powerless uneducated black ppl who have no means of hurting you from a distance?? steuwpsss
BTW, what do you think about what happened in tulsa oklahoma?? where three hundred progressive black ppl was killed in 24 hrs and their city was leveled to the ground? or maybe that's not your problem so who cares right? go figure.
You're a COK HEAD or what???
When the Hell did I ever say white ppl should get a pass for racism??
I ever say I doh care about black ppl being killed or racially abused.
What about the Indians in Guyana who had their property burnt and belongings stolen from them in the 60s whilst the police just stood by and watched. And to this day most blacks in the WI have no idea what the Hell I talking about becz WI govts refuse to acknowledge it becz black ppl did it under a black govt.
Colin Croft admit it in an article the other day and I nearly fall out meh chair with shock. I wish I could find it now.
JC I doh blame you for being vex about the forum.
But don't we in TO have the right to vex too. No they eh want to euthanize ppl but it is rampant, racist behaviour for which you seem to have a ready made excuse.
VB
Me ah cockhead?? i think you might be projecting here fella. if anything, you are the one who exudes the cock headish behavior more than anything else, bc we went from canada to guyana in ah flash, when the original topic was about institutional racism here in america!
but you insisted and was on about what blacks are doing in canada as opposed the the heinous violent comments and other statements made on those sites, of which which you flew passed like ah full bus and over looked just to show that blacks are just as racist or even moreso, which lead me to think that you are willing to give white racism a pass.
from where i stand i got the feeling that you were really trying to say " stop fackin complaining nigger and take what yuh get and be happy" bc your kind has been, and still is, fackin up indian ppl all over the place.
oh and yeh, i got indian frens too. ::)
Well you eh really get my point. So I go stop right there with you.
But one more time. Regardless of race, if you cool, I right there with you.
Regardless of race if you are a dick, I go tell you to your face and that includes my own race.
Can you say the same?
VB
I could say more than that, but you may not get it. somehow i thought you were one of the fellas on the forum who had ah handle on things, but i guess i totally misread you and over estimated your ability to dialogue.
i really and truly can't reason with ah man who eh have no heights, who just see life and ah superficial level, i call dat beating two ded elephants! that is why i don't hold no court with young ppl, especially the white ones, the older ones over 50, yes, but the babes who never burn ah pliff and listen too some beatles and bob dylan no!!
i sorry tuh hear what happened tuh TO, i've lived there for ah short spell and i loved the place. when i was there whites and black got along very well, and i hate to think that the vibe has changed so drastically, shame!
my only problem with TO tuh tell yuh the truth was with the jamaican population, they were the worst! pushy, arrogant, bullyish and aggressive, even moreso than the ones here in america who don't behave not even a quarter as bad. i would have to say that this is ah new phenomenon amongst the yutes, bc the last i was there ppl all got along fine.
oh yeh, BTW three isolated incidents and you have drawn on a conclusion, i kinda think you might be ah little intolerant guy.
anyway on to bigger fish. i want tuh talk about the bullsh!t goin on here in america, and i will ask again, what do you think about ah whole town of progressive black ppl losing everything thing they worked so hard for, especially after being freed of 400 yrs of chattel oppression? what about those racist people ppl? who IMO were the biggest of all arseholes.
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Quote JC "well it depends on how yuh look @ it. now i cyar speak for ah whole nation, but i could definitely tell yuh which one i will prefer. i rather deal with the wid devil i could see, rather than the ones weh hidin, bc the savage who doh know himself with the gun and the bad attitude could not survive without the help of the supplier.
for yrs now fellas like naim niah, teddy mice khan, dole chadee bringing in cocaine into our island, then they began to bring guns to protect their product.
now if you know anything about drug dealing, then you would know that yuh need poor uneducated ppl tuh retail drugs, fellas who have it not sitting on ah corner peddling no dope, rather it's the unemployable and desperate who does do the dirty work. they don't know where the thing coming from, all they doin is sellin it."
I'm a country man born and bred. In our village (and still today) we had, indian, negro, chinee and various mixes (me included).. no white. Many didn't know where their next meal was coming from (same sort of life as our caricom ambassadors in the hills), no work etc. But I assure you they were hard working, never looked for the easy road out (except to plant the herb for personal use and little sale) and need no one to give them an excuse for their plight. My question is.. we lived under the same conditions, yet the indian and syrian drugs, guns etc didn't influence us?
Dole live a mere 25 minutes away, so too another prominent drug/gun man.
JC. For some reason you seem to think I'm anti black or only identify when the problem hits home. But you have me 'figured' out 100% wrong my friend. Yes, I do know all about who came before and paved the way for us to have an easier life, but I don't subscribe to "blaming". I look at your life (which you've shared here) and ask myself. If this cat can get out of that situation, why not others?
You may have a good message and legitimate concerns, but your delivery makes you seem exactly like those you'd like to expose.
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What am i blaming the whiteman for? just 400 yrs of slavery and abuse, 100 yrs of colonialism, poverty, striping me of my identity, my name, my culture (as in taking every fackin thing away from me) and after all that abuse, he eh even as much as give my foreparents ah lot ah land for all they trouble so @ least they coulda plant ah small garden and build ah shack.
instead they went india wid they greedy arse and bring in ah ppl weh doh like no body tuh be meh neighbor, just bc ah din want tuh cut they cane fuh four cents no mo, and bc i demand better wages. so instead of paying meh ah decent wage they went and bring the french and portuguese boy, den finally the bangarra fella tuh replace meh, who had ah caste system that put nigger on the bottom like dutty stinking mongrel dog.
and if dat wasn't enough, they went and tell dem racist hearted ppl how nayger bad like mangrove crab and how they can't be trusted, and the reason they had tuh make dat long journey in the fuss place iz bc nayger lazy like pothound and fraid hard wok. they had all kinda ting tuh telll the indian fella about nayger tuh create ah mistrust from the start.
"watch the nayger, he like plenty sex and good times, and he will rape yuh wife and daughter if yuh eh keep him @ a distance," doh get too close, he can't be trusted, the best one is ah ded one.
then he turn around and tell the nayger the same ting, "coolie love money, and they would sell dey mudda and dey chirren for it" doh get too close, just keep him @ an arms length or else he would sell yuh out.
yeh, i eh have nothing against the master manipulator, nothing @ all except for all the things i just mentioned.
you and I have been through this before.
The examples you cite for recent transgressions (over the last 400 years) can be found in the annals of history. No one race holds a monopoly on subjugating other races. What the Europeans did to the Africans stands out because it is a more recent memory.
The race who had the bigger stick always took advantage of the race with the smaller stick and prejudices typically manifested as racism.
Breds you said you don't have nothing against white ppl like JC do, when in fact i don't either, i just hate the white system that stole my ancestors from their home land and gave then a legacy of poverty and miseducation, which affect me to this day.
right now i have ah whiteman name, i have ah white western way of thinking, as ah matter of fact everything about me is white except my appearance, and i have to hate my oppressor for that, and i will never love dem or trust them ever again.
i had to work on my self, reeducated and emancipate my self from this way of thinking and being. it's OK for you not to hate them ppl (british emperialism) bc in some ways them save your ppl from ah life of poverty and a brutal caste system, plus your ppl were given land and a start so it was a step up for yuhs guys, plus yuhs got to keep your culture and your identity, my ppl on the other hand were not that fortunate.
as i said before, we were stripped of every thing, used and then thrown away without ah start or land even, as you know, no ppl could survive without land. my grand mother was soo poor that she could hardly afford food for her children, that poverty was then passed on to my parents and then me, what's tuh fackin like about that bro?? yuh know what abject poverty looks like??
now i hope you understand that i talking bout a system here, and not necessarily individuals.
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Pecan.. times are changing in the tdot my friend. Can't comment on the beat into a coma thing, but we have some youths now who just destructive and advantageous. They are ruining a solid community those of us (and before us) worked hard to establish. Is it the norm as VB mentioned? Probably not, but it's getting increasingly common.
JC. Since you mentioned the nasty hindus from Trinidad I have to ask. Do you feel the average Trinibagonian is less or more fearful of the racist stinking Hindu or those socially depressed you're always defending?
are these incidents GTA widespread or localized to certain communities?
That I cannot comment on. Personally I know about incidents in Rexdale, Lawrence Heights, bathurst and jane and finch areas. Areas where I visit on the regular as I have friends and relatives there. I'm close with a few officers in 23 division and 52 division and one of the problems they see is non-reporting of crime (all kind of crimes).
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I glad for yuh. Both o' we in the GTA and very different experiences.
Well my classmates, colleagues and friends and I tired seeing it. Curious eh??
VB
I am extremely curious to learn more about these rampant incidents. You cite three examples that you have personally witnessed and I have to agree, if you see it happen three times, that is three times too much. But it is rampant? That is my question.
I will ask my daughter - she is currently enrolled in a Caribbean Lit course at UoT with Indian and Black and some white taught by a white prof - I'll will ask her to ask some question on the general experiences these folks have experienced. She travels by TTC day and night and reports the odd incident - like the time a boy (race not identified as an issue) watch she and say he want to take her breasts home. She tell him to bugger off. But she has yet to witness what you describe as common occurrences on the TTC
I glad you focussed on "rampant."
It made stop to analyze what I had said.
In terms of verbal abuse about one's race. I seriously lost count around the mid 90s, I just try to turn my head and have nothing to do with it. And to be honest, if is me they calling coolie. I real cool becz it better than a cut ass.
In terms of physical abuse - as we both know there are limited or no reports in the Press. I only heard one in my lifetime there, maybe I missed the few others that were broadcasted. You seriously don't expect me to type on every occurence I've seen, do you?
I've been travelling for the last few yrs and only go to TO for a few weeks a yr now.
However, based on personal experience and observations from family and friends, I can think of about 15. Now these are just a handful of people I know. What about the millions living in the city who might see it - that I don't know. I can't rely on the press to report these things, for some reason they just don't.
You might say 15 in 20 yrs is not so bad. But I think beating the shit out of ppl and calling them racist names is terrible and you know I can't remember seeing any other race do this. This is what is truly telling. We have AFricans and Afro Latinos. Never ONCE saw them act in a racist manner to people. I am sure Indians and whites eh no saint. But why is it when I hear whites and Indians complain about it in TO, it's always a WI they have witnessed. I think we both know if white ppl were doing this to blacks in TO, we go damn well know!
In closing let me say that after 20 yrs, I don't keep a journal on this kind of behaviour. I spend more effort trying to avoid such ppl. It reached a point in the mid 90s where I it was so prevalent that I just preferred to avoid rather than observe.
Lastly, if some WIs are bad, the J'cans seem even worse. With some of them, there seems to a kind of agression that has no logic. I don't know it it's how they were brought up or what. The only time I ever threaten to hit a woman in TO, was at my workplace when one of them went off about coolie and then wanted to grab me because I was in her way. I refrained becz I wanted to keep my job, but I buss a cuss down on her and made it clear, she would get "fok up," should she decide to grab me again. I think the WI accent I had shock her more than the threat.
VB
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jc look at chimpout.com, stormfront etc. been around for a while. nutten new here. As I said this represents a SMALL minority. Not saying not to be aware, just that you have to be careful not to give these jokers more relevance than they deserve.
There is the New Black Panther Party:
"Our lessons talk about the bloodsuckers of the poor… . It's that old no-good Jew, that old imposter Jew, that old hooked-nose, bagel-eating, lox-eating, Johnny-come-lately, perpetrating-a-fraud, just-crawled-out-of-the-caves-and-hills-of-Europe, so-called damn Jew … and I feel everything I'm saying up here is kosher."
— Khalid Abdul Muhammad, one of the party's future leaders, Baltimore, Md., Feb. 19, 1994
"Kill every goddamn Zionist in Israel! Goddamn little babies, goddamn old ladies! Blow up Zionist supermarkets!"
—Malik Zulu Shabazz, the party's national chairman, protesting at B'nai B'rith International headquarters in Washington, D.C., April 20, 2002
"I hate white people. All of them. Every last iota of a cracker, I hate it. We didn't come out here to play today. There's too much serious business going on in the black community to be out here sliding through South Street with white, dirty, cracker whore bitches on our arms, and we call ourselves black men. … What the hell is wrong with you black man? You at a doomsday with a white girl on your damn arm. We keep begging white people for freedom! No wonder we not free! Your enemy cannot make you free, fool! You want freedom? You going to have to kill some crackers! You going to have to kill some of their babies!"
— King Samir Shabazz, head of the party's Philadelphia chapter, in a National Geographic documentary, January 2009
Look even Dwight York involved in this shit.
White people are the devil. They say the Nuwaubians are not racist – bullcrap! I am…White people are devils — always was, always will be.”
— Dwight York, from his lecture “Egipt [sic] and the Mask of God”
“Christianity is merely a tool used by the Devil (Paleman) to keep you, the Nubian (Black) man, woman, and child blind to your true heritage and perfect way of life (Islam). It is another means of slavery.”
— Dwight York, “Santa or Satan? The Fallacy of Christmas,” undated essay
“The Caucasian has not been chosen to lead the world. They lack true emotions in their creation. We never intended them to be peaceful. They were bred to be killers, with low reproduction levels and a short life span. What you call Negroid was to live 1,000 years each and the other humans 120 years. But the warrior seed of Caucasians is only 60 years old. They were only created to fight other invading races, to protect the God race Negroids. But they went insane, lost control when they were left unattended. They were never to taste blood. They did, and their true nature came out. … Because their reproduction levels were cut short, their sexual organs were made the smallest so that the female of their race will want to breed with Negroids to breed themselves out of existence after 6,000 years. It took 600 years to breed them, part man and part beast.”
— Dwight York letter dated Nov. 10, 2004, “This is your message Najwa and Davina, Kirsten.”
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Quote JC "well it depends on how yuh look @ it. now i cyar speak for ah whole nation, but i could definitely tell yuh which one i will prefer. i rather deal with the wid devil i could see, rather than the ones weh hidin, bc the savage who doh know himself with the gun and the bad attitude could not survive without the help of the supplier.
for yrs now fellas like naim niah, teddy mice khan, dole chadee bringing in cocaine into our island, then they began to bring guns to protect their product.
now if you know anything about drug dealing, then you would know that yuh need poor uneducated ppl tuh retail drugs, fellas who have it not sitting on ah corner peddling no dope, rather it's the unemployable and desperate who does do the dirty work. they don't know where the thing coming from, all they doin is sellin it."
I'm a country man born and bred. In our village (and still today) we had, indian, negro, chinee and various mixes (me included).. no white. Many didn't know where their next meal was coming from (same sort of life as our caricom ambassadors in the hills), no work etc. But I assure you they were hard working, never looked for the easy road out (except to plant the herb for personal use and little sale) and need no one to give them an excuse for their plight. My question is.. we lived under the same conditions, yet the indian and syrian drugs, guns etc didn't influence us?
Dole live a mere 25 minutes away, so too another prominent drug/gun man.
JC. For some reason you seem to think I'm anti black or only identify when the problem hits home. But you have me 'figured' out 100% wrong my friend. Yes, I do know all about who came before and paved the way for us to have an easier life, but I don't subscribe to "blaming". I look at your life (which you've shared here) and ask myself. If this cat can get out of that situation, why not others?
You may have a good message and legitimate concerns, but your delivery makes you seem exactly like those you'd like to expose.
Fella, i want tuh know who i blamin?? i just tellin it like it is, and if that too hot tuh handle then doh come in the kitchen.
why allyuh does always act up when ppl talk about history and what happened and what is still happening, and compare it to complaining or making trouble?
it have white ppl up to this day who wants black ppl extinguished from the planet, and a substantial amount of them @ that, bc they believe that we are the cause of their problems, when in fact it was our labor who has made them the empire they are today, and when i hear this it's like madness to my ear! it's almost like these ppl are totally fackin out of touch and void of reasoning!
As for your comment on dole and how your family didn't sell drugs, well good for them, but i bet allyuh @ least had some land that allyuh could have depended on, but what about the fella who livin in an urban setting? with no land and came from urban poverty , how yuh think he will fare? now i could tell you that urban poverty is woss than rural poverty.
@ least in the bush yuh could throw down ah couple of lots ah food and rock back, plus no rent or mortgage, that's ah steal. so that's two birds with one stone right there, but ah fella who live in the concrete with no means of survival, yuh eh think he would be more susceptible tuh sell something, especially when times hard ?
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Then this:
Dwight York, founder and kingpin of the black supremacist hate group Nuwaubian Nation of Moors, pleaded guilty in January in what prosecutors called the largest case ever mounted against a single child molester.
A decade ago, as chronicled in the Fall 2002 Intelligence Report, York moved the headquarters of his sprawling cult (which claims chapters in several U.S. and foreign cities) from Brooklyn, N.Y., to a 476-acre dairy farm in rural Georgia. York told his followers they were building a sovereign nation where they would be free from the influence of white "devils."
But the leader, who claimed at various times to be a space alien and God in the flesh, had other reasons to want sovereignty. After 25 years of leading his cult, York had left New York while authorities were investigating allegations of molestation, murder and financial shenanigans.
The law finally caught up with York last May, when he was indicted on 197 counts of child molestation. Prosecutors said the number of counts could have reached the thousands, but York's young victims could not recall all the specific dates on which he abused them.
Rather than face a trial, the Nuwaubian "savior" pleaded guilty in January to 77 state charges of molesting 13 Nuwaubian children. The 57-year-old York, who will serve between 15 and 50 years in federal prison, also copped pleas to federal charges of financial reporting fraud and transporting children across state lines for sex. York forfeited the more than $400,000 in cash that was taken from his house when federal and local officers raided the Nuwaubian compound last May. Part of the money will go to his victims.
Some of York's cult members, taught to believe he was the target of a vendetta by white racists and "house niggers," have remained loyal. But several of the formerly faithful have denounced York. His driver during the 1970s, Saadik Redd, told the Macon Telegraph he hopes his daughter — still a disciple of York's — will join other Nuwaubians in leaving the group.
"I hope they can see the fallacy in him," Saadik said, "and understand that the whole thing was a lie."
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The Nation of Islam has a black separatist agenda: Its program states that blacks should be able to form their own nation. It also holds that blacks should be made exempt from taxation until they have achieved equal justice under the law and that interracial marriage and "race mixing" should be "prohibited." These views are based on religious precepts created by Elijah Muhammad and preached by Farrakhan.
"The Jews don't like Farrakhan, so they call me Hitler. Well, that's a good name. Hitler was a very great man. He rose Germany up from the ashes."
"White people are potential humans - they haven't evolved yet."
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pecan..they do not forget the Holocaust. They do not forget 9-11, they do not forget WWI and WWII, they do not forget columbine, they do not forget the Federal Building in Oklama City, they even build monuments to that pedophile and racist Ghandi!
Indeed they build monuments and museums for remembearnce of all those sad events. I with Just coll, I will remember slavery, Jim Crow etc. and I will talk about it.
When you consider the rest to slavery and Jim Crow they pale in comaprions to the scope and the depth of the BLACK holocaust.
f**k that!
I with just cool, I not simply getting over it.
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Hear nah as far as police reporting crimes, I remmebr in university seeing studies where stop and frisk etc. was mostly targetting blacks so it is obvious that the stats will show dem involved in crime etc. NY had a study that showed the RANDOM stopping of blacks was much more prevalent than RANDOM stopping of whites, but the stops on whites yielded more illegal guns than the stopping of blacks, that has MUCH relevance!
The fact is crime stats often comes down to who the police targetting!
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jc look at chimpout.com, stormfront etc. been around for a while. nutten new here. As I said this represents a SMALL minority. Not saying not to be aware, just that you have to be careful not to give these jokers more relevance than they deserve.
There is the New Black Panther Party:
"Our lessons talk about the bloodsuckers of the poor… . It's that old no-good Jew, that old imposter Jew, that old hooked-nose, bagel-eating, lox-eating, Johnny-come-lately, perpetrating-a-fraud, just-crawled-out-of-the-caves-and-hills-of-Europe, so-called damn Jew … and I feel everything I'm saying up here is kosher."
— Khalid Abdul Muhammad, one of the party's future leaders, Baltimore, Md., Feb. 19, 1994
"Kill every goddamn Zionist in Israel! Goddamn little babies, goddamn old ladies! Blow up Zionist supermarkets!"
—Malik Zulu Shabazz, the party's national chairman, protesting at B'nai B'rith International headquarters in Washington, D.C., April 20, 2002
"I hate white people. All of them. Every last iota of a cracker, I hate it. We didn't come out here to play today. There's too much serious business going on in the black community to be out here sliding through South Street with white, dirty, cracker whore bitches on our arms, and we call ourselves black men. … What the hell is wrong with you black man? You at a doomsday with a white girl on your damn arm. We keep begging white people for freedom! No wonder we not free! Your enemy cannot make you free, fool! You want freedom? You going to have to kill some crackers! You going to have to kill some of their babies!"
— King Samir Shabazz, head of the party's Philadelphia chapter, in a National Geographic documentary, January 2009
Look even Dwight York involved in this shit.
White people are the devil. They say the Nuwaubians are not racist – bullcrap! I am…White people are devils — always was, always will be.”
— Dwight York, from his lecture “Egipt [sic] and the Mask of God”
“Christianity is merely a tool used by the Devil (Paleman) to keep you, the Nubian (Black) man, woman, and child blind to your true heritage and perfect way of life (Islam). It is another means of slavery.”
— Dwight York, “Santa or Satan? The Fallacy of Christmas,” undated essay
“The Caucasian has not been chosen to lead the world. They lack true emotions in their creation. We never intended them to be peaceful. They were bred to be killers, with low reproduction levels and a short life span. What you call Negroid was to live 1,000 years each and the other humans 120 years. But the warrior seed of Caucasians is only 60 years old. They were only created to fight other invading races, to protect the God race Negroids. But they went insane, lost control when they were left unattended. They were never to taste blood. They did, and their true nature came out. … Because their reproduction levels were cut short, their sexual organs were made the smallest so that the female of their race will want to breed with Negroids to breed themselves out of existence after 6,000 years. It took 600 years to breed them, part man and part beast.”
— Dwight York letter dated Nov. 10, 2004, “This is your message Najwa and Davina, Kirsten.”
common TT, you does always go and find some irrelevant shit to dig up eh. look how long zodok yorke (dwight york) in prison for all kinda bullshyte, that man has been locked up now for 10 yrs and counting, and his community in georgia is almost nonexistent.
as for these black panther guys, most of their leaders are FBI informants. didn't you see what jameel alamin said? he would never get involved with black militans again, him and huey before he died knew better than to go near the shyte.
IMO white ppl have nothing to fear from black hate groups bc most of these groups have no power and they are under serious survailance 24/7! but ppl who are involved in these white eurocentric org have political and judicial power tuh fack yuh life up! there are ceo's, judges, lawyers, bankers, cops, prosecutors, cooperate giants, businessmen, you name it.
but these hungry black militants , doh even have weaponry! stewwppsss
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IMO white ppl have nothing to fear from black hate groups bc most of these groups have no power and they are under serious survailance 24/7! but ppl who are involved in these white eurocentric org have political and judicial power tuh fack yuh life up! there are ceo's, judges, lawyers, bankers, cops, prosecutors, cooperate giants, businessmen, you name it.
but these hungry black militants , doh even have weaponry! stewwppsss
thats a good point ,if these where black sites ,fbi would be there .
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IMO white ppl have nothing to fear from black hate groups bc most of these groups have no power and they are under serious survailance 24/7! but ppl who are involved in these white eurocentric org have political and judicial power tuh fack yuh life up! there are ceo's, judges, lawyers, bankers, cops, prosecutors, cooperate giants, businessmen, you name it.
but these hungry black militants , doh even have weaponry! stewwppsss
thats a good point ,if these where black sites ,fbi would be there .
All these types of websites are monitored, they are also protected becasue of free speech laws. They are all threats to the government so bet yuh last cent they are monitored and infiltrated too!
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"@ least in the bush yuh could throw down ah couple of lots ah food and rock back, plus no rent or mortgage, that's ah steal. so that's two birds with one stone right there, but ah fella who live in the concrete with no means of survival, yuh eh think he would be more susceptible tuh sell something, especially when times hard ?"
Misconception my friend.
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Re: stats and police reporting. no need for any report to know that certain groups are targeted.
In general, don't think I'm in some blissful sleep and not aware of my surroundings. I'm reminded daily that some would have me think that I don't belong here.
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IMO white ppl have nothing to fear from black hate groups bc most of these groups have no power and they are under serious survailance 24/7! but ppl who are involved in these white eurocentric org have political and judicial power tuh fack yuh life up! there are ceo's, judges, lawyers, bankers, cops, prosecutors, cooperate giants, businessmen, you name it.
but these hungry black militants , doh even have weaponry! stewwppsss
thats a good point ,if these where black sites ,fbi would be there .
All these types of websites are monitored, they are also protected becasue of free speech laws. They are all threats to the government so bet yuh last cent they are monitored and infiltrated too!
100% correct!
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"@ least in the bush yuh could throw down ah couple of lots ah food and rock back, plus no rent or mortgage, that's ah steal. so that's two birds with one stone right there, but ah fella who live in the concrete with no means of survival, yuh eh think he would be more susceptible tuh sell something, especially when times hard ?"
Misconception my friend.
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Re: stats and police reporting. no need for any report to know that certain groups are targeted.
In general, don't think I'm in some blissful sleep and not aware of my surroundings. I'm reminded daily that some would have me think that I don't belong here.
I hear you jumbie is just that in the states they track the demographics and it shows that police enforcement is skewed greatly towards police targetting blacks more than whites....now we may see a change with the growing hispanic population.
I know of cases where you see 2 white men making noise on the street corner disturbing the peace and the police warn them to go home and stop the shit..when is 2 balck men they arrest both..same with riding bikes on pavements etc...it is racist and sterotyping..the evidence is clear!
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listen to what I sensing in this thread.
Some feel that certain men might be too conscious.
I feel that some may feel that some posters ONLY seeing one side and minimizing the other side.
Truth be told there is some truth to every man story and experiences.
But the police in North America target blacks more than whites, there is racism on both sides. the rise of black hate groups is a response to over 400 years of ongoing mistreatment and lack of equal opportunities.
There is way too much black on black crime.
There is too much absentism by black fathers.
White people commit crimes as much as black people...just the type of crmes may vary.
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Oh and some her may be sterotyping a bit too much
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"@ least in the bush yuh could throw down ah couple of lots ah food and rock back, plus no rent or mortgage, that's ah steal. so that's two birds with one stone right there, but ah fella who live in the concrete with no means of survival, yuh eh think he would be more susceptible tuh sell something, especially when times hard ?"
Misconception my friend.
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Re: stats and police reporting. no need for any report to know that certain groups are targeted.
In general, don't think I'm in some blissful sleep and not aware of my surroundings. I'm reminded daily that some would have me think that I don't belong here.
I hear you jumbie is just that in the states they track the demographics and it shows that police enforcement is skewed greatly towards police targetting blacks more than whites....now we may see a change with the growing hispanic population.
I know of cases where you see 2 white men making noise on the street corner disturbing the peace and the police warn them to go home and stop the shit..when is 2 balck men they arrest both..same with riding bikes on pavements etc...it is racist and sterotyping..the evidence is clear!
Breds, jumbie and dem does see life with blinkers on just like race horse and donkey oui, no peripheral vision @ all, just the basic subjective views on the way they perceive things, with no social awareness.
trying tuh enlighten them men on social inequalities is like trying to teach metaphysics to ah caveman.
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"@ least in the bush yuh could throw down ah couple of lots ah food and rock back, plus no rent or mortgage, that's ah steal. so that's two birds with one stone right there, but ah fella who live in the concrete with no means of survival, yuh eh think he would be more susceptible tuh sell something, especially when times hard ?"
Misconception my friend.
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Re: stats and police reporting. no need for any report to know that certain groups are targeted.
In general, don't think I'm in some blissful sleep and not aware of my surroundings. I'm reminded daily that some would have me think that I don't belong here.
I hear you jumbie is just that in the states they track the demographics and it shows that police enforcement is skewed greatly towards police targetting blacks more than whites....now we may see a change with the growing hispanic population.
I know of cases where you see 2 white men making noise on the street corner disturbing the peace and the police warn them to go home and stop the shit..when is 2 balck men they arrest both..same with riding bikes on pavements etc...it is racist and sterotyping..the evidence is clear!
Breds, jumbie and dem does see life with blinkers on just like race horse and donkey oui, no peripheral vision @ all, just the basic subjective views on the way they perceive things, with no social awareness.
trying tuh enlighten them men on social inequalities is like trying to teach metaphysics to ah caveman.
Isn't that the case for anyone who don't agree with you? Or should I feel special?
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pecan..they do not forget the Holocaust. They do not forget 9-11, they do not forget WWI and WWII, they do not forget columbine, they do not forget the Federal Building in Oklama City, they even build monuments to that pedophile and racist Ghandi!
Indeed they build monuments and museums for remembearnce of all those sad events. I with Just coll, I will remember slavery, Jim Crow etc. and I will talk about it.
When you consider the rest to slavery and Jim Crow they pale in comaprions to the scope and the depth of the BLACK holocaust.
f**k that!
I with just cool, I not simply getting over it.
No where am I suggesting you forget slavery and the slave trade and what transpired in the last 400 years. That must not be forgotten. Somewhat ironic that you are forgetting that this is Black History Month, that the US has a black president (well 1/2 black), than affirmative actions programs have developed to try to address past wrongs, that African tribes/nations were complicit in the slave trade (what is worse, white on black or black on black subjugation?) and the list goes on. So to suggest that 'they' are not doing anything to 'remember' is disingenuous.
No one, black or white, should 'just get over it', As a community, we need to move forward and work to address past wrongs in a fashion that does not promulgate hate. "In your face' tactics only pushes the hatred deeper underground. One point of difference between JC and I is that JC comes across as being militant and hostile, not withstanding his assurances that he has no real issue with the individual, just with the system. Unfortunately, to the person less versed in the history of his ancestors, that does little to engender their support especially so if he continues to rail against the very system they are familiar with. I personally don't subscribe to that technique. In my opinion, all that does is to further the divide.
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I cant beleive in hundreds of years of slavery ,not one african never killed one slave owner , ::) thats lame
great now i involved .
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"@ least in the bush yuh could throw down ah couple of lots ah food and rock back, plus no rent or mortgage, that's ah steal. so that's two birds with one stone right there, but ah fella who live in the concrete with no means of survival, yuh eh think he would be more susceptible tuh sell something, especially when times hard ?"
Misconception my friend.
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Re: stats and police reporting. no need for any report to know that certain groups are targeted.
In general, don't think I'm in some blissful sleep and not aware of my surroundings. I'm reminded daily that some would have me think that I don't belong here.
I hear you jumbie is just that in the states they track the demographics and it shows that police enforcement is skewed greatly towards police targetting blacks more than whites....now we may see a change with the growing hispanic population.
I know of cases where you see 2 white men making noise on the street corner disturbing the peace and the police warn them to go home and stop the shit..when is 2 balck men they arrest both..same with riding bikes on pavements etc...it is racist and sterotyping..the evidence is clear!
Breds, jumbie and dem does see life with blinkers on just like race horse and donkey oui, no peripheral vision @ all, just the basic subjective views on the way they perceive things, with no social awareness.
trying tuh enlighten them men on social inequalities is like trying to teach metaphysics to ah caveman.
Isn't that the case for anyone who don't agree with you? Or should I feel special?
Agreeing with me is not the problem here jumbie, i don't care if you agree with me or not, but just @ least stay with me.
i have interacted with you long enough to know that you reason only in black and white for the most part, which could get boring and less than stimulating very fast.
i just wish one time for crying out loud that you could take me into some gray area?? believe it or not, if ah man come wid ah better argument i will concede, or @ least be more opt to reconsider, but the constant superficial analysis is ah fackin drag on the intellect bro.
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"@ least in the bush yuh could throw down ah couple of lots ah food and rock back, plus no rent or mortgage, that's ah steal. so that's two birds with one stone right there, but ah fella who live in the concrete with no means of survival, yuh eh think he would be more susceptible tuh sell something, especially when times hard ?"
Misconception my friend.
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Re: stats and police reporting. no need for any report to know that certain groups are targeted.
In general, don't think I'm in some blissful sleep and not aware of my surroundings. I'm reminded daily that some would have me think that I don't belong here.
I hear you jumbie is just that in the states they track the demographics and it shows that police enforcement is skewed greatly towards police targetting blacks more than whites....now we may see a change with the growing hispanic population.
I know of cases where you see 2 white men making noise on the street corner disturbing the peace and the police warn them to go home and stop the shit..when is 2 balck men they arrest both..same with riding bikes on pavements etc...it is racist and sterotyping..the evidence is clear!
Breds, jumbie and dem does see life with blinkers on just like race horse and donkey oui, no peripheral vision @ all, just the basic subjective views on the way they perceive things, with no social awareness.
trying tuh enlighten them men on social inequalities is like trying to teach metaphysics to ah caveman.
Isn't that the case for anyone who don't agree with you? Or should I feel special?
Agreeing with me is not the problem here jumbie, i don't care if you agree with me or not, but just @ least stay with me.
i have interacted with you long enough to know that you reason only in black and white for the most part, which could get boring and less than stimulating very fast.
i just wish one time for crying out loud that you could take me into some gray area?? believe it or not, if ah man come wid ah better argument i will concede, or @ least be more opt to reconsider, but the constant superficial analysis is ah fackin drag on the intellect bro.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
sorry had to laugh. boss you sing the same facking tune day in day out and you want to call me boring and question intellect. You could easily change your name to "missionary" and people will know who we're referring to.
If nothing I appreciate your passion for what you believe in.
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trying tuh enlighten them men on social inequalities is like trying to teach metaphysics to ah caveman.
Now what did cavemen ever do you that you have to insult them?
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pecan..they do not forget the Holocaust. They do not forget 9-11, they do not forget WWI and WWII, they do not forget columbine, they do not forget the Federal Building in Oklama City, they even build monuments to that pedophile and racist Ghandi!
Indeed they build monuments and museums for remembearnce of all those sad events. I with Just coll, I will remember slavery, Jim Crow etc. and I will talk about it.
When you consider the rest to slavery and Jim Crow they pale in comaprions to the scope and the depth of the BLACK holocaust.
f**k that!
I with just cool, I not simply getting over it.
No where am I suggesting you forget slavery and the slave trade and what transpired in the last 400 years. That must not be forgotten. Somewhat ironic that you are forgetting that this is Black History Month, that the US has a black president (well 1/2 black), than affirmative actions programs have developed to try to address past wrongs, that African tribes/nations were complicit in the slave trade (what is worse, white on black or black on black subjugation?) and the list goes on. So to suggest that 'they' are not doing anything to 'remember' is disingenuous.
No one, black or white, should 'just get over it', As a community, we need to move forward and work to address past wrongs in a fashion that does not promulgate hate. "In your face' tactics only pushes the hatred deeper underground. One point of difference between JC and I is that JC comes across as being militant and hostile, not withstanding his assurances that he has no real issue with the individual, just with the system. Unfortunately, to the person less versed in the history of his ancestors, that does little to engender their support especially so if he continues to rail against the very system they are familiar with. I personally don't subscribe to that technique. In my opinion, all that does is to further the divide.
Pecan, i'm neither angry or militant. i don't have dread locks or adorn african garb and walk around with an onk in my hand. on the contrary, i'm very western in my speech and attire, i also have very close white friends whom i don't hide the way i feel or think about the struggle in their presence.
they never get offended, or @ least i think so, and sometimes i find them to be a bit harsh on their own ppl, more than i could ever be. believe it or not, i know well educated white ppl whom i keep company with, and they are far more staunch and critical of white ppl than i could ever be.
as for some trinis, you ppl are so lost and detached from reality it's frightening!
you feel the need to get along and not come across as having a strong view or opinion on anything remotely controversial. i call it the true "eat ah food" mentality. lets just be nice and likable guys. "don't worry be a happy go lucky trini".
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"@ least in the bush yuh could throw down ah couple of lots ah food and rock back, plus no rent or mortgage, that's ah steal. so that's two birds with one stone right there, but ah fella who live in the concrete with no means of survival, yuh eh think he would be more susceptible tuh sell something, especially when times hard ?"
Misconception my friend.
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Re: stats and police reporting. no need for any report to know that certain groups are targeted.
In general, don't think I'm in some blissful sleep and not aware of my surroundings. I'm reminded daily that some would have me think that I don't belong here.
I hear you jumbie is just that in the states they track the demographics and it shows that police enforcement is skewed greatly towards police targetting blacks more than whites....now we may see a change with the growing hispanic population.
I know of cases where you see 2 white men making noise on the street corner disturbing the peace and the police warn them to go home and stop the shit..when is 2 balck men they arrest both..same with riding bikes on pavements etc...it is racist and sterotyping..the evidence is clear!
Breds, jumbie and dem does see life with blinkers on just like race horse and donkey oui, no peripheral vision @ all, just the basic subjective views on the way they perceive things, with no social awareness.
trying tuh enlighten them men on social inequalities is like trying to teach metaphysics to ah caveman.
Isn't that the case for anyone who don't agree with you? Or should I feel special?
Agreeing with me is not the problem here jumbie, i don't care if you agree with me or not, but just @ least stay with me.
i have interacted with you long enough to know that you reason only in black and white for the most part, which could get boring and less than stimulating very fast.
i just wish one time for crying out loud that you could take me into some gray area?? believe it or not, if ah man come wid ah better argument i will concede, or @ least be more opt to reconsider, but the constant superficial analysis is ah fackin drag on the intellect bro.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
sorry had to laugh. boss you sing the same facking tune day in day out and you want to call me boring and question intellect. You could easily change your name to "missionary" and people will know who we're referring to.
If nothing I appreciate your passion for what you believe in.
Laugh all you want, the joke is on you. you live in ah little world all your own, and anyone who doesn't confine their thinking to your way of thinking is on another planet. never have you ever offered me food for thought, as ah matter of fact you are quite predictable, one way in one way out. carry on.
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pecan..they do not forget the Holocaust. They do not forget 9-11, they do not forget WWI and WWII, they do not forget columbine, they do not forget the Federal Building in Oklama City, they even build monuments to that pedophile and racist Ghandi!
Indeed they build monuments and museums for remembearnce of all those sad events. I with Just coll, I will remember slavery, Jim Crow etc. and I will talk about it.
When you consider the rest to slavery and Jim Crow they pale in comaprions to the scope and the depth of the BLACK holocaust.
f**k that!
I with just cool, I not simply getting over it.
No where am I suggesting you forget slavery and the slave trade and what transpired in the last 400 years. That must not be forgotten. Somewhat ironic that you are forgetting that this is Black History Month, that the US has a black president (well 1/2 black), than affirmative actions programs have developed to try to address past wrongs, that African tribes/nations were complicit in the slave trade (what is worse, white on black or black on black subjugation?) and the list goes on. So to suggest that 'they' are not doing anything to 'remember' is disingenuous.
No one, black or white, should 'just get over it', As a community, we need to move forward and work to address past wrongs in a fashion that does not promulgate hate. "In your face' tactics only pushes the hatred deeper underground. One point of difference between JC and I is that JC comes across as being militant and hostile, not withstanding his assurances that he has no real issue with the individual, just with the system. Unfortunately, to the person less versed in the history of his ancestors, that does little to engender their support especially so if he continues to rail against the very system they are familiar with. I personally don't subscribe to that technique. In my opinion, all that does is to further the divide.
Breds sometimes in yuh face is what is needed to deal with subtle racism and second generation tracking. I just, in my opinion thought your resposnes minimized the imapct of racism, jim crow and the civil rights movement.
Think about it..Rosa Parks would have been 100 years old today! Think about that!!! That is how recent this shit is.
A symbol like Obama masks the truth for some..not me. He as President received more threats than any president before him. Birthers etc...he is a Muslim, etc. etc. just adds to the injury.
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pecan..they do not forget the Holocaust. They do not forget 9-11, they do not forget WWI and WWII, they do not forget columbine, they do not forget the Federal Building in Oklama City, they even build monuments to that pedophile and racist Ghandi!
Indeed they build monuments and museums for remembearnce of all those sad events. I with Just coll, I will remember slavery, Jim Crow etc. and I will talk about it.
When you consider the rest to slavery and Jim Crow they pale in comaprions to the scope and the depth of the BLACK holocaust.
f**k that!
I with just cool, I not simply getting over it.
No where am I suggesting you forget slavery and the slave trade and what transpired in the last 400 years. That must not be forgotten. Somewhat ironic that you are forgetting that this is Black History Month, that the US has a black president (well 1/2 black), than affirmative actions programs have developed to try to address past wrongs, that African tribes/nations were complicit in the slave trade (what is worse, white on black or black on black subjugation?) and the list goes on. So to suggest that 'they' are not doing anything to 'remember' is disingenuous.
No one, black or white, should 'just get over it', As a community, we need to move forward and work to address past wrongs in a fashion that does not promulgate hate. "In your face' tactics only pushes the hatred deeper underground. One point of difference between JC and I is that JC comes across as being militant and hostile, not withstanding his assurances that he has no real issue with the individual, just with the system. Unfortunately, to the person less versed in the history of his ancestors, that does little to engender their support especially so if he continues to rail against the very system they are familiar with. I personally don't subscribe to that technique. In my opinion, all that does is to further the divide.
Pecan, i'm neither angry or militant. i don't have dread locks or adorn african garb and walk around with an onk in my hand. on the contrary, i'm every western in my speech and attire, i also have very close white friends whom i don't hide the way i feel or think about the struggle in their presence.
they never get offended, or @ least i think so, and sometimes i find them to be a bit harsh on their own ppl, more than i could ever be. believe it or not, i know well educated white ppl whom i keep company with to be far more staunch and critical of white ppl than i could ever be.
as for some trinis, you ppl are so lost and detached from reality it's frightening!
you feel the need to get along and not come across as having a strong view or opinion on anything remotely controversial. i call it the true "eat ah food" mentality. lets just be nice and likable guys. "don't worry be a happy go lucky trini".
they same way you does come across as militant on this forum is probably not dissimilar to the "happy go lucky way" I might come across on this forum. But what is wrong with 'feeling the need to get along'? Perhaps if more people felt that way, we would be living in a better world. Having a strong opinion is not mutually exclusive with trying to get along. You seem to equate my demeanor with one of docility.
As for being detached from reality: no doubt your reality is different from my reality. You have shared some horrific experiences in prior posts, and I would not wish that on my worst enemies.
Yes our realities differ and may explain why we express ourselves differently.
When next you in TO, give me a heads-up. We should meet for a drink. :beermug: (wait, that is me trying to get along again .. steups). Forget what I just typed, unless of course you feel like some stimulating conversation.
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Breds sometimes in yuh face is what is needed to deal with subtle racism and second generation tracking. I just, in my opinion thought your resposnes minimized the imapct of racism, jim crow and the civil rights movement.
Think about it..Rosa Parks would have been 100 years old today! Think about that!!! That is how recent this shit is.
A symbol like Obama masks the truth for some..not me. He as President received more threats than any president before him. Birthers etc...he is a Muslim, etc. etc. just adds to the injury.
You and JC both feel that the views I express hear minimize racism. And the fact that you both come to the same conclusions suggests that I am unable to properly articulate my views.
So in two points let me try to explain where I coming from
1) The effect of racism has forced generations of people of African ancestry into second class citizenry, a deep pit from which to climb out with many obstacles; that is a reality.
2) There are several ways to deal with it. My way is to keeping your nose to the grindstone and demonstrate value and keep pushing forward and not get trapped in the past; and if you don't see my value, then that is your loss. Not everybody's cup of tea.
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pecan..they do not forget the Holocaust. They do not forget 9-11, they do not forget WWI and WWII, they do not forget columbine, they do not forget the Federal Building in Oklama City, they even build monuments to that pedophile and racist Ghandi!
Indeed they build monuments and museums for remembearnce of all those sad events. I with Just coll, I will remember slavery, Jim Crow etc. and I will talk about it.
When you consider the rest to slavery and Jim Crow they pale in comaprions to the scope and the depth of the BLACK holocaust.
f**k that!
I with just cool, I not simply getting over it.
No where am I suggesting you forget slavery and the slave trade and what transpired in the last 400 years. That must not be forgotten. Somewhat ironic that you are forgetting that this is Black History Month, that the US has a black president (well 1/2 black), than affirmative actions programs have developed to try to address past wrongs, that African tribes/nations were complicit in the slave trade (what is worse, white on black or black on black subjugation?) and the list goes on. So to suggest that 'they' are not doing anything to 'remember' is disingenuous.
No one, black or white, should 'just get over it', As a community, we need to move forward and work to address past wrongs in a fashion that does not promulgate hate. "In your face' tactics only pushes the hatred deeper underground. One point of difference between JC and I is that JC comes across as being militant and hostile, not withstanding his assurances that he has no real issue with the individual, just with the system. Unfortunately, to the person less versed in the history of his ancestors, that does little to engender their support especially so if he continues to rail against the very system they are familiar with. I personally don't subscribe to that technique. In my opinion, all that does is to further the divide.
Breds sometimes in yuh face is what is needed to deal with subtle racism and second generation tracking. I just, in my opinion thought your resposnes minimized the imapct of racism, jim crow and the civil rights movement.
Think about it..Rosa Parks would have been 100 years old today! Think about that!!! That is how recent this shit is.
A symbol like Obama masks the truth for some..not me. He as President received more threats than any president before him. Birthers etc...he is a Muslim, etc. etc. just adds to the injury.
TT sometimes yuh just have to leave these fellas be yes, bc @ the end of the day nuff ah dese men never face true bigots, and some how i wish they had, maybe then it would have been easier to make such a post without fending off these the misconceptions and preconceived notions.
i does have to say "thank God " he made me an african yes, and further more allowing me to live in the most racist country on earth so i could experience this hardship that allowed me to grow. unlike a lot of ppl i have a birds eye view of the real human nature.
as ah big black muddafacker i get to see how ppl truly feel, good, bad and indifferent. when i walk the streets muthfackers leave me alone, just the way i like it.
mind you, i don't have an imposing look, but i carry my self like a fella who would seriously hurt yuh if yuh try ah ting, i also get to see bitches (white asian and other) who luv black cock just lose all their morals and principles for ah taste of chocolate. i don't think i would have liked to be in the dark as to how unsavory human kind could be like some of you house niggers. ;D so yeh, i am closer to the truth than most of yuhs, and it feels awesome.
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Breds sometimes in yuh face is what is needed to deal with subtle racism and second generation tracking. I just, in my opinion thought your resposnes minimized the imapct of racism, jim crow and the civil rights movement.
Think about it..Rosa Parks would have been 100 years old today! Think about that!!! That is how recent this shit is.
A symbol like Obama masks the truth for some..not me. He as President received more threats than any president before him. Birthers etc...he is a Muslim, etc. etc. just adds to the injury.
You and JC both feel that the views I express hear minimize racism. And the fact that you both come to the same conclusions suggests that I am unable to properly articulate my views.
So in two points let me try to explain where I coming from
1) The effect of racism has forced generations of people of African ancestry into second class citizenry, a deep pit from which to climb out with many obstacles; that is a reality.
2) There are several ways to deal with it. My way is to keeping your nose to the grindstone and demonstrate value and keep pushing forward and not get trapped in the past; and if you don't see my value, then that is your loss. Not everybody's cup of tea.
Easier said than done!
what you think blacks in america has been doing for the batter part of a century? trying to trod on through, but the white establishment has set up pit falls fuh yuh as a snare.
have you ever listen to song old man river?? in the song there's a profound line paul roberson sang, "'i gets weary and sick of trying", you think the average black man does be on "the whiteman holding we back vibes?" nah horse, man up out and about looking or it, but we also know that the man out for we head and fully aware of the hunt.
you should see how dem white cops does watch yuh especially when yuh well dressed and rockin ah best ride, iz pure hate does be emanation from their putrid core, yuh feel it easy being black eh guy, think again!
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JC I have to ask. Do you think your experience in North America is any different than any of us?
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i also get to see bitches (white asian and other) who luv black cock just lose all their morals and principles for ah taste of chocolate.
And therein live the difference between you and me. Where in the hell did that reference come from? You refer to women as "bitches". Women who for millennia have been trying to rise above patriarchal societies and cultures full of sexism and misogyny. You jess perpetuating the same nonsense that you accusing other of. In this example, it is gender instead of race with you as the perpetrator.
Also, I never said it was easy. That is a reality. Why not look to others who have overcome the 'pitfalls and snares' you alluded to. Maybe you can learn from them and get on with your life before hatred consumes your soul or those racist cops consume you with their hatred.
I don't envy you.
Anyways, answer Junbie's question.
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i also get to see bitches (white asian and other) who luv black cock just lose all their morals and principles for ah taste of chocolate.
And therein live the difference between you and me. Where in the hell did that reference come from? You refer to women as "bitches". Women who for millennia have been trying to rise above patriarchal societies and cultures full of sexism and misogyny. You jess perpetuating the same nonsense that you accusing other of. In this example, it is gender instead of race with you as the perpetrator.
Also, I never said it was easy. That is a reality. Why not look to others who have overcome the 'pitfalls and snares' you alluded to. Maybe you can learn from them and get on with your life before hatred consumes your soul or those racist cops consume you with their hatred.
I don't envy you.
Anyways, answer Junbie's question.
Doh sweat the semantics nah pecan, just stay on course and don't get side tracked, if the word bitch offend yuh then i apologize. :beermug: now lets move on.
as for me learning from white racist cops, easier said than done! allyuh fellas really deserve sainthood yes, since iz ah yuteman i noticing the dirty behavior of white cops especially here in the north east, and you want me to learn from them?? weh yuh smoking fella??
dem men is KKK in civil uniform bro. ah notice allyuh fellas in canada real naive when it comes to race relations in foreign dread, it's like allyuh just dying to belong, and extremely void of struggle.
i not suckin up to no fackin racist whiteman, is pure fackin hate for hate! doh tell me nothing weh yuh eh know about either. let me ask you this, have you ever experienced racism on ah daily up in canada??
as for jumbie, i dun wid he. that fella is pure meat and potatoes, no heights, and no objectivity exist in his Psyche, so why should i continue along that road. some men just eat too much pork and drink too much rum in their life, and dat kill their ability to levitate.
i like tuh dialogue with man who on ah level, as yuh know i am not a teacher, im just here to share. IMO fellas like jumbie, in order to reason with them they need to get ah serious mental makeover, talk about beatin ah ded horse. it just eh worth it.
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Like you goin fackin mad or what fella?? i don't see the correlation?
what de fack this got tuh do with what i was dealing with?? how in de fack is this even relevant? yuh way off topic guy!
im addressing institutional racism here in america boss, come on, yuh head eh good or what??!!
Some people have a hard time distinguishing racial prejudice from 'racism' proper.
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JC, I could see you have some fixed opinions and you have your mind set.
I will tell you that all the different ethnic groups in TO are racist. The worst are the black WI, yes worse than the Indians and the Guyanese Indians and they're bad. In fact I disassociate with most Guyanese Indians becz I get fed up of their racist talk. But they eh mad enough to try what the Blacks do because the army go have to come out for crowd control.
Pecan, I not even a little bit surprised at what you say. I don't know where you live but I live in the GTA where it is rampant. NEVER heard a news report on this (except once). Usually saw it or my friends saw it and told me. I'm glad you mentioned the Press. Becz when we see this crap, I hear the whites around me saying something like "Well that's not racist right?? Only when white ppl do it right?? How come this isn't on CNN or the news, only when white ppl do it right?
And I tell them to do what black people would do in this case, get about a hundred of themselves together, stand up where the incident took place, bawl and scream like black ppl and threaten to boycott all the stores in the area. Then they will get their CNN coverage.
I EH ASKING. You know how many times I've seen this shi*. Or my friends family or colleagues get beat!!
I live in the GTA and it is real.
If I had said I see INdians or whites do this everybody woulda keep they as* quiet. But is black ppl so let's get together and make an excuse for them.
As a journalist I stopped writing for the C'bbn papers in TO bcz of their racist agenda (this was in the 90s). I get flack from Indians for not agreeing with their racist views. So I have no agenda.
However after two decades of witnessing this shi% (I take public transit and this where I see most of it) I doh give a f*&k what anybody says. TO is my city too.
Pecan I can only hope what I've seen happen to some of these people doh ever happen to your children.
I want to close off by saying some of my best friends in TO are black WIs because they are DECENT PPL. In fact I usually avoid liming in an Indian majority becz of the cutlass (but that's a different issue). But a dick is a dick no matter what race and I call it as I see it.
In my opinion, it's only about 30% of the WI pop that are like this, 60% eh give one ass but too smart or educated to show it publicly and 10% totally don't support that behaviour.
VB
The only real surprise is that you didn't open with that line instead. I also find it interesting that you claim black West Indians are the most racist people in TO, yet you say "it's only about 30% of the WI pop that are like this," in other words, you using the actions of a distinct minority within the group to tar the entire group. Or is it that black WI comprise 30% of all WI's?? Yuh point really not clear. No offense, but judging from your comments, I wouldn't be surprised if you was one ah dem Indians who 'flee' Trinidad for Canaay-da bawling "persecution."
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I does usually just read and stay out on these topics... but VB i think you missing the point. JC have a way he does write and present heself that maybe a lil too militant and forthright.
But what you talking bout is really apples and oranges and you getting defensive for no reason.
IMO JC dropping some truth in here, especially as concerns his response to Jumbie.
Is this part that get me...
...i live in america and i'm addressing some of the rising problems we have here with "institutional" fackin racism, not some bush league dumb ass bottoms feeders who is menacing their society.
:rotfl:
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Then this:
Dwight York, founder and kingpin of the black supremacist hate group Nuwaubian Nation of Moors, pleaded guilty in January in what prosecutors called the largest case ever mounted against a single child molester.
A decade ago, as chronicled in the Fall 2002 Intelligence Report, York moved the headquarters of his sprawling cult (which claims chapters in several U.S. and foreign cities) from Brooklyn, N.Y., to a 476-acre dairy farm in rural Georgia. York told his followers they were building a sovereign nation where they would be free from the influence of white "devils."
But the leader, who claimed at various times to be a space alien and God in the flesh, had other reasons to want sovereignty. After 25 years of leading his cult, York had left New York while authorities were investigating allegations of molestation, murder and financial shenanigans.
The law finally caught up with York last May, when he was indicted on 197 counts of child molestation. Prosecutors said the number of counts could have reached the thousands, but York's young victims could not recall all the specific dates on which he abused them.
Rather than face a trial, the Nuwaubian "savior" pleaded guilty in January to 77 state charges of molesting 13 Nuwaubian children. The 57-year-old York, who will serve between 15 and 50 years in federal prison, also copped pleas to federal charges of financial reporting fraud and transporting children across state lines for sex. York forfeited the more than $400,000 in cash that was taken from his house when federal and local officers raided the Nuwaubian compound last May. Part of the money will go to his victims.
Some of York's cult members, taught to believe he was the target of a vendetta by white racists and "house niggers," have remained loyal. But several of the formerly faithful have denounced York. His driver during the 1970s, Saadik Redd, told the Macon Telegraph he hopes his daughter — still a disciple of York's — will join other Nuwaubians in leaving the group.
"I hope they can see the fallacy in him," Saadik said, "and understand that the whole thing was a lie."
The man talking about institutionalized racism and you self coming with this bullshit to fack up de flow?
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On the real though JC I think you does let this racism thing affect yuh too much. Personally, I have come to accept that there are ignorant people in this world. I have come to accept that they will say shit that offends me. Sometimes I respond/react, most times I do not. I have come to accept that those who say "it can only affect you if you let it..." talking shit. Sometimes even though yuh try yuh best to tune it out, it will still affect you. But you know what? I have also come to accept that there's a plan for me and no man, or men... or who ever could prevent me from achieving what I am meant to achieve. Everything else is small stuff, and I does try to not sweat the small stuff.
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JC, I could see you have some fixed opinions and you have your mind set.
I will tell you that all the different ethnic groups in TO are racist. The worst are the black WI, yes worse than the Indians and the Guyanese Indians and they're bad. In fact I disassociate with most Guyanese Indians becz I get fed up of their racist talk. But they eh mad enough to try what the Blacks do because the army go have to come out for crowd control.
Pecan, I not even a little bit surprised at what you say. I don't know where you live but I live in the GTA where it is rampant. NEVER heard a news report on this (except once). Usually saw it or my friends saw it and told me. I'm glad you mentioned the Press. Becz when we see this crap, I hear the whites around me saying something like "Well that's not racist right?? Only when white ppl do it right?? How come this isn't on CNN or the news, only when white ppl do it right?
And I tell them to do what black people would do in this case, get about a hundred of themselves together, stand up where the incident took place, bawl and scream like black ppl and threaten to boycott all the stores in the area. Then they will get their CNN coverage.
I EH ASKING. You know how many times I've seen this shi*. Or my friends family or colleagues get beat!!
I live in the GTA and it is real.
If I had said I see INdians or whites do this everybody woulda keep they as* quiet. But is black ppl so let's get together and make an excuse for them.
As a journalist I stopped writing for the C'bbn papers in TO bcz of their racist agenda (this was in the 90s). I get flack from Indians for not agreeing with their racist views. So I have no agenda.
However after two decades of witnessing this shi% (I take public transit and this where I see most of it) I doh give a f*&k what anybody says. TO is my city too.
Pecan I can only hope what I've seen happen to some of these people doh ever happen to your children.
I want to close off by saying some of my best friends in TO are black WIs because they are DECENT PPL. In fact I usually avoid liming in an Indian majority becz of the cutlass (but that's a different issue). But a dick is a dick no matter what race and I call it as I see it.
In my opinion, it's only about 30% of the WI pop that are like this, 60% eh give one ass but too smart or educated to show it publicly and 10% totally don't support that behaviour.
VB
The only real surprise is that you didn't open with that line instead. I also find it interesting that you claim black West Indians are the most racist people in TO, yet you say "it's only about 30% of the WI pop that are like this," in other words, you using the actions of a distinct minority within the group to tar the entire group. Or is it that black WI comprise 30% of all WI's?? Yuh point really not clear. No offense, but judging from your comments, I wouldn't be surprised if you was one ah dem Indians who 'flee' Trinidad for Canaay-da bawling "persecution."
Bakes, my point is this (of course I am apprpoximating numbers based on 20 yrs of observation. We have about 400 thousand Afro Carribean ppl in TO. So 30 percent is a little over 100 thousand. Now it might be a bit more or less but you talking about 100 thousand ppl. What is get me if I get vex and say Niggah dat or dis or beat someone black and call them racist names, the Afro WIs will probably kill me. But when they see their race doing it they are literally comatose. All dat mouth about racism is boil down like bagee.
Now if an afro WI wants to point out a specific case of opression in TO and it's true (some ppl regardless of background is see race every day, especially when they cant get their way) I will support him. However, if he wants to talk about opression from whitey. I have no intentions of pretending I don't see or know about the most obvious racism I see in TO.
One day I was at a BBQ in Brampton. The men were all black and sons of Trinis. They were talking about racism by white people. And of course they are right we have a racism problem in Canada. And black ppl in particular seem to have a problem with the police when driving. However, after 20 minutes about racist white people, I realzied that the conversation seemed more about racism in general. And I said to the host, "you've been living here longer than me. And you know there is nobody more shameless, bold or agressive when it comes to racism than a black WI." He just smiled and stopped talking. They all did. They're not bad, ignorant ppl. They're decent ppl who were unbiased. They have seen what I have seen. And yes they are black and I respect them as friends because they are decent.
It seems to confuse some here when I say some of my best friends are black WI.
Well we have racist whites in Canada, we have the Arian Nation and the New World Order. However that doesn't stop me from being friends with decent, good, white people.
I can assume that the Africans on this site have close friends who are white or Indian but that won't stop you from criticizing a racist Indian or white fool. As said before I will criticize any racist ass, including my own race. But that doesn't mean I can't show a proper human being - regardless of his race - the proper respect.
VB
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]Doh sweat the semantics nah pecan, just stay on course and don't get side tracked, if the word bitch offend yuh then i apologize. :beermug: now lets move on.
as for me learning from white racist cops, easier said than done! allyuh fellas really deserve sainthood yes, since iz ah yuteman i noticing the dirty behavior of white cops especially here in the north east, and you want me to learn from them?? weh yuh smoking fella??
dem men is KKK in civil uniform bro. ah notice allyuh fellas in canada real naive when it comes to race relations in foreign dread, it's like allyuh just dying to belong, and extremely void of struggle.
i not suckin up to no fackin racist whiteman, is pure fackin hate for hate! doh tell me nothing weh yuh eh know about either. let me ask you this, have you ever experienced racism on ah daily up in canada??
as for jumbie, i dun wid he. that fella is pure meat and potatoes, no heights, and no objectivity exist in his Psyche, so why should i continue along that road. some men just eat too much pork and drink too much rum in their life, and dat kill their ability to levitate.
i like tuh dialogue with man who on ah level, as yuh know i am not a teacher, im just here to share. IMO fellas like jumbie, in order to reason with them they need to get ah serious mental makeover, talk about beatin ah ded horse. it just eh worth it.
you miss my point. Take lessons from the minorities who have gone before you to climb out of that pit. Not from the racist cops.
To answer your question: No. But neither do I go looking for it. I always give people the benefit of the doubt. that is just the way I chose to approach these situations. And if they prove me wrong, the odd time I might challenge them. But more often than not, I say that is there problem and take a deep breath and move on. As long as their actions don't affect my efforts to achieve my goals, I chose to ignore them.
I have to agree with Bakes observation
On the real though JC I think you does let this racism thing affect yuh too much.
No issue with 'Stand and Fight'. But if it leaves you exhausted and tired at the end of the day, always looking over yuh shoulder, then perhaps is time to find a different way to fight the fight.
If you keep doing the same thing over and over again and the results don't change, maybe is time to change tactics.
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Bakes, my point is this (of course I am apprpoximating numbers based on 20 yrs of observation. We have about 400 thousand Afro Carribean ppl in TO. So 30 percent is a little over 100 thousand. Now it might be a bit more or less but you talking about 100 thousand ppl. What is get me if I get vex and say Niggah dat or dis or beat someone black and call them racist names, the Afro WIs will probably kill me. But when they see their race doing it they are literally comatose. All dat mouth about racism is boil down like bagee.
Now if an afro WI wants to point out a specific case of opression in TO and it's true (some ppl regardless of background is see race every day, especially when they cant get their way) I will support him. However, if he wants to talk about opression from whitey. I have no intentions of pretending I don't see or know about the most obvious racism I see in TO.
One day I was at a BBQ in Brampton. The men were all black and sons of Trinis. They were talking about racism by white people. And of course they are right we have a racism problem in Canada. And black ppl in particular seem to have a problem with the police when driving. However, after 20 minutes about racist white people, I realzied that the conversation seemed more about racism in general. And I said to the host, "you've been living here longer than me. And you know there is nobody more shameless, bold or agressive when it comes to racism than a black WI." He just smiled and stopped talking. They all did. They're not bad, ignorant ppl. They're decent ppl who were unbiased. They have seen what I have seen. And yes they are black and I respect them as friends because they are decent.
It seems to confuse some here when I say some of my best friends are black WI.
Well we have racist whites in Canada, we have the Arian Nation and the New World Order. However that doesn't stop me from being friends with decent, good, white people.
I can assume that the Africans on this site have close friends who are white or Indian but that won't stop you from criticizing a racist Indian or white fool. As said before I will criticize any racist ass, including my own race. But that doesn't mean I can't show a proper human being - regardless of his race - the proper respect.
VB
still anecdotal with no real back-up. You do realize that all arguments to support your hypothesis that 30% of Black WI are overtly racist, and 70% don't give a damn begin with phrases such as (paraphrased):
"A friend told me ..."
"I was on the subway and saw ..."
"I was at a BBQ and he said ... "
You honestly believe that Torontonians are afraid to speak up against rampant racist actions perpetrated by black West Indians?
You seeing things you want to see.
And you totally miss the point behind comments about your comment "some of my best friends are black WI".
Hint: go goggle the phrase "some of my best friends are X"
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On the real though JC I think you does let this racism thing affect yuh too much. Personally, I have come to accept that there are ignorant people in this world. I have come to accept that they will say shit that offends me. Sometimes I respond/react, most times I do not. I have come to accept that those who say "it can only affect you if you let it..." talking shit. Sometimes even though yuh try yuh best to tune it out, it will still affect you. But you know what? I have also come to accept that there's a plan for me and no man, or men... or who ever could prevent me from achieving what I am meant to achieve. Everything else is small stuff, and I does try to not sweat the small stuff.
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Bakes, my point is this (of course I am apprpoximating numbers based on 20 yrs of observation. We have about 400 thousand Afro Carribean ppl in TO. So 30 percent is a little over 100 thousand. Now it might be a bit more or less but you talking about 100 thousand ppl. What is get me if I get vex and say Niggah dat or dis or beat someone black and call them racist names, the Afro WIs will probably kill me. But when they see their race doing it they are literally comatose. All dat mouth about racism is boil down like bagee.
Now if an afro WI wants to point out a specific case of opression in TO and it's true (some ppl regardless of background is see race every day, especially when they cant get their way) I will support him. However, if he wants to talk about opression from whitey. I have no intentions of pretending I don't see or know about the most obvious racism I see in TO.
One day I was at a BBQ in Brampton. The men were all black and sons of Trinis. They were talking about racism by white people. And of course they are right we have a racism problem in Canada. And black ppl in particular seem to have a problem with the police when driving. However, after 20 minutes about racist white people, I realzied that the conversation seemed more about racism in general. And I said to the host, "you've been living here longer than me. And you know there is nobody more shameless, bold or agressive when it comes to racism than a black WI." He just smiled and stopped talking. They all did. They're not bad, ignorant ppl. They're decent ppl who were unbiased. They have seen what I have seen. And yes they are black and I respect them as friends because they are decent.
It seems to confuse some here when I say some of my best friends are black WI.
Well we have racist whites in Canada, we have the Arian Nation and the New World Order. However that doesn't stop me from being friends with decent, good, white people.
I can assume that the Africans on this site have close friends who are white or Indian but that won't stop you from criticizing a racist Indian or white fool. As said before I will criticize any racist ass, including my own race. But that doesn't mean I can't show a proper human being - regardless of his race - the proper respect.
VB
still anecdotal with no real back-up. You do realize that all arguments to support your hypothesis that 30% of Black WI are overtly racist, and 70% don't give a damn begin with phrases such as (paraphrased):
"A friend told me ..."
"I was on the subway and saw ..."
"I was at a BBQ and he said ... "
You honestly believe that Torontonians are afraid to speak up against rampant racist actions perpetrated by black West Indians?
You seeing things you want to see.
And you totally miss the point behind comments about your comment "some of my best friends are black WI".
Hint: go goggle the phrase "some of my best friends are X"
I think you reading what you want to read.
Anecdotal makes it false. Extract your head from your anus. Yes, I HAVE SEEN IT and I am now telling you. My friends and colleagues HAVE SEEN it and I am now telling you. I guess I should ignore all those black ppl who have tales of woe - anecdotal is it not.
Re. black friends - that was explained in the simplest of Engish I don't have to google a damn thing. If the explanation is over your head, that is not my concern.
I tired see blacks and Indians make racist commnets about each other and other races. Yet they have friends who are of those races.
Strange when the white man say "I have black friends, is a joke." But they dont' seem to fall into that category....Oh, that's right - they are not white - so they get a special pass when it comes to being ignorant.
No I do not believe Torontonians are afraid to speak up against ignorant, black racists. They do it on the occassion I have witnessed it in public.
What I have noticed is some of the white ones don't want to confront black ppl in general becz some black ppl in TO think that if they bawl they black loud enough and long enough it makes them right and everybody else wrong and don't want to degenerate into no racist rampage in public. For the same reason when those yutes was bawling coolie coolie on the bus I let it go.
If what I and others have observed is not enough for you bez it's "anecdotal" what de fk else you want. You think ppl could take youback in time and show you. But if a black man say he brudder say the police spit on him and called him nigger, you go accept that anecdote right.
So because I have decent black friends I should tolerate dotish, racist black ppl. I don't tolerate racist Indians and my family is Indian. But not surprisingly racism is bad when everybody does it but lets find an excuse for the black man - he opressed, he was beat down. Great Granddaddy was a slave, he come from a single paren household. But make sure to pong whitey and everybody else when they racist.
Btw, I was washing my hands in the washroom at Eaton's shopping centre downtown, a black fella just start to call meh coolie and turban head. I had to actually think what turban head mean. There was no reason for it. I would clock he ass but I had my little brother with me and I thought just in case I get stabbed or shot I cah have this yute by heself downtonw, stressed out so. So I walk out.
Yes, that's my anecdote, one of many. I eh have no video but I eh a black man getting harassed by whitey so le we fee free to tell VB is an anecdote.
VB
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Bakes, my point is this (of course I am apprpoximating numbers based on 20 yrs of observation. We have about 400 thousand Afro Carribean ppl in TO. So 30 percent is a little over 100 thousand. Now it might be a bit more or less but you talking about 100 thousand ppl. What is get me if I get vex and say Niggah dat or dis or beat someone black and call them racist names, the Afro WIs will probably kill me. But when they see their race doing it they are literally comatose. All dat mouth about racism is boil down like bagee.
Now if an afro WI wants to point out a specific case of opression in TO and it's true (some ppl regardless of background is see race every day, especially when they cant get their way) I will support him. However, if he wants to talk about opression from whitey. I have no intentions of pretending I don't see or know about the most obvious racism I see in TO.
One day I was at a BBQ in Brampton. The men were all black and sons of Trinis. They were talking about racism by white people. And of course they are right we have a racism problem in Canada. And black ppl in particular seem to have a problem with the police when driving. However, after 20 minutes about racist white people, I realzied that the conversation seemed more about racism in general. And I said to the host, "you've been living here longer than me. And you know there is nobody more shameless, bold or agressive when it comes to racism than a black WI." He just smiled and stopped talking. They all did. They're not bad, ignorant ppl. They're decent ppl who were unbiased. They have seen what I have seen. And yes they are black and I respect them as friends because they are decent.
It seems to confuse some here when I say some of my best friends are black WI.
Well we have racist whites in Canada, we have the Arian Nation and the New World Order. However that doesn't stop me from being friends with decent, good, white people.
I can assume that the Africans on this site have close friends who are white or Indian but that won't stop you from criticizing a racist Indian or white fool. As said before I will criticize any racist ass, including my own race. But that doesn't mean I can't show a proper human being - regardless of his race - the proper respect.
VB
still anecdotal with no real back-up. You do realize that all arguments to support your hypothesis that 30% of Black WI are overtly racist, and 70% don't give a damn begin with phrases such as (paraphrased):
"A friend told me ..."
"I was on the subway and saw ..."
"I was at a BBQ and he said ... "
You honestly believe that Torontonians are afraid to speak up against rampant racist actions perpetrated by black West Indians?
You seeing things you want to see.
And you totally miss the point behind comments about your comment "some of my best friends are black WI".
Hint: go goggle the phrase "some of my best friends are X"
I think you reading what you want to read.
Anecdotal makes it false. Extract your head from your anus. Yes, I HAVE SEEN IT and I am now telling you. My friends and colleagues HAVE SEEN it and I am now telling you. I guess I should ignore all those black ppl who have tales of woe - anecdotal is it not.
Re. black friends - that was explained in the simplest of Engish I don't have to google a damn thing. If the explanation is over your head, that is not my concern.
I tired see blacks and Indians make racist commnets about each other and other races. Yet they have friends who are of those races.
Strange when the white man say "I have white friends, is a joke." But they dont' seem to fall into that category....Oh, that's right - they are not white - so they get a special pass when it comes to being ignorant.
No I do not believe Torontonians are afraid to speak up against ignorant, black racists. They do it on the occassion I have witnessed it in public.
What I have noticed is some of the white ones don't want to confront white ppl in general becz some black ppl in TO think that if they bawl they black loud enough and long enough it makes them right and everybody else wrong and don't want to degenerate into no racist rampage in public. For the same reason when those yutes was bawling coolie coolie on the bus I let it go.
If what I and others have observed is not enough for you bez it's "anecdotal" what de fk else you want. You think ppl could take youback in time and show you. But if a black man say he brudder say the police spit on him and called him nigger, you go accept that anecdote right.
So because I have decent black friends I should tolerate dotish, racist black ppl. I don't tolerate racist Indians and my family is Indian. But not surprisingly racism is bad when everybody does it but lets find an excuse for the black man - he opressed, he was beat down. Great Granddaddy was a slave, he come from a single paren household. But make sure to pong whitey and everybody else when they racist.
Btw, I was washing my hands in the washroom at Eaton's shopping centre downtown, a black fella just start to call meh coolie and turban head. I had to actually think what turban head mean. There was no reason for it. I would clock he ass but I had my little brother with me and I thought just in case I get stabbed or shot I cah have this yute by heself downtonw, stressed out so. So I walk out.
Yes, that's my anecdote, one of many. I eh have no video but I eh a black man getting harassed by whitey so le we fee free to tell VB is an anecdote.
VB
touched a nerve did I? and you continue to miss the point.
And I don't accept anecdotal and hearsay from anyone (regardless of race) who uses such evidence to make generalized statements about any group of people. That is my issue with your statements. So take a chill pill and a deep breath and get on with your day.
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Bakes, my point is this (of course I am apprpoximating numbers based on 20 yrs of observation. We have about 400 thousand Afro Carribean ppl in TO. So 30 percent is a little over 100 thousand. Now it might be a bit more or less but you talking about 100 thousand ppl. What is get me if I get vex and say Niggah dat or dis or beat someone black and call them racist names, the Afro WIs will probably kill me. But when they see their race doing it they are literally comatose. All dat mouth about racism is boil down like bagee.
Now if an afro WI wants to point out a specific case of opression in TO and it's true (some ppl regardless of background is see race every day, especially when they cant get their way) I will support him. However, if he wants to talk about opression from whitey. I have no intentions of pretending I don't see or know about the most obvious racism I see in TO.
One day I was at a BBQ in Brampton. The men were all black and sons of Trinis. They were talking about racism by white people. And of course they are right we have a racism problem in Canada. And black ppl in particular seem to have a problem with the police when driving. However, after 20 minutes about racist white people, I realzied that the conversation seemed more about racism in general. And I said to the host, "you've been living here longer than me. And you know there is nobody more shameless, bold or agressive when it comes to racism than a black WI." He just smiled and stopped talking. They all did. They're not bad, ignorant ppl. They're decent ppl who were unbiased. They have seen what I have seen. And yes they are black and I respect them as friends because they are decent.
It seems to confuse some here when I say some of my best friends are black WI.
Well we have racist whites in Canada, we have the Arian Nation and the New World Order. However that doesn't stop me from being friends with decent, good, white people.
I can assume that the Africans on this site have close friends who are white or Indian but that won't stop you from criticizing a racist Indian or white fool. As said before I will criticize any racist ass, including my own race. But that doesn't mean I can't show a proper human being - regardless of his race - the proper respect.
VB
still anecdotal with no real back-up. You do realize that all arguments to support your hypothesis that 30% of Black WI are overtly racist, and 70% don't give a damn begin with phrases such as (paraphrased):
"A friend told me ..."
"I was on the subway and saw ..."
"I was at a BBQ and he said ... "
You honestly believe that Torontonians are afraid to speak up against rampant racist actions perpetrated by black West Indians?
You seeing things you want to see.
And you totally miss the point behind comments about your comment "some of my best friends are black WI".
Hint: go goggle the phrase "some of my best friends are X"
I think you reading what you want to read.
Anecdotal makes it false. Extract your head from your anus. Yes, I HAVE SEEN IT and I am now telling you. My friends and colleagues HAVE SEEN it and I am now telling you. I guess I should ignore all those black ppl who have tales of woe - anecdotal is it not.
Re. black friends - that was explained in the simplest of Engish I don't have to google a damn thing. If the explanation is over your head, that is not my concern.
I tired see blacks and Indians make racist commnets about each other and other races. Yet they have friends who are of those races.
Strange when the white man say "I have white friends, is a joke." But they dont' seem to fall into that category....Oh, that's right - they are not white - so they get a special pass when it comes to being ignorant.
No I do not believe Torontonians are afraid to speak up against ignorant, black racists. They do it on the occassion I have witnessed it in public.
What I have noticed is some of the white ones don't want to confront white ppl in general becz some black ppl in TO think that if they bawl they black loud enough and long enough it makes them right and everybody else wrong and don't want to degenerate into no racist rampage in public. For the same reason when those yutes was bawling coolie coolie on the bus I let it go.
If what I and others have observed is not enough for you bez it's "anecdotal" what de fk else you want. You think ppl could take youback in time and show you. But if a black man say he brudder say the police spit on him and called him nigger, you go accept that anecdote right.
So because I have decent black friends I should tolerate dotish, racist black ppl. I don't tolerate racist Indians and my family is Indian. But not surprisingly racism is bad when everybody does it but lets find an excuse for the black man - he opressed, he was beat down. Great Granddaddy was a slave, he come from a single paren household. But make sure to pong whitey and everybody else when they racist.
Btw, I was washing my hands in the washroom at Eaton's shopping centre downtown, a black fella just start to call meh coolie and turban head. I had to actually think what turban head mean. There was no reason for it. I would clock he ass but I had my little brother with me and I thought just in case I get stabbed or shot I cah have this yute by heself downtonw, stressed out so. So I walk out.
Yes, that's my anecdote, one of many. I eh have no video but I eh a black man getting harassed by whitey so le we fee free to tell VB is an anecdote.
VB
touched a nerve did I? and you continue to miss the point.
Yes, dotish ppl is get on my nerves sometimes.
But if anybody you know ever get beat down becz of their race, I'll try to take your anecdote seriously.
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And I don't accept anecdotal and hearsay from anyone (regardless of race) who uses such evidence to make generalized statements about any group of people. That is my issue with your statements. So take a chill pill and a deep breath and get on with your day.
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And I don't accept anecdotal and hearsay from anyone (regardless of race) who uses such evidence to make generalized statements about any group of people. That is my issue with your statements. So take a chill pill and a deep breath and get on with your day.
So it eh real becz I tellin you I see it.
I have to wonder what kind of fool has lived in the GTA so long and is so clueless.
But your ignorance is not my concern.
Jackass if ppl tell you they see it with their own eyes, it eh true becz they telling you? I'll have to remember this the next time a black person bawling how they've been mistreated. Afterall not everybody lucky enough to get tape like Rodey King right. :)
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Institutional racism evident everywhere....
as VB mention in Canada too.
My family and I face it since we leave TnT.
Canada full of blatant racists, and its evident everyday, ah bunch of racist Italians and under the rug white people here.
Haven't faced too much racism from any WI period, and if I had it's a couple ignorant Jamaicans, and a dotish Bajan woman....but NEVER Trinis
I in the GTA for 20 years, and racism has more often than not come from those of European descent.
The old school Canadians who been here for generation I find rell cool.
I remember coming here 92, racism was bad...
kids spitting in my sister's path when they walking
being called n***er, p*ki, C**lie, sp*c....I say fck and leave them to themselves, had to fight down kids and lucky cuz of meh size I win without even having to throw a punch. A trini mouth is a powerful tool.
Institutional racism...sister being told she from a third word country and need to do easy classes like cosmetics....fyi she came from Convent and now a successful lawyer
I coming from CIC and they telling me since English not my first language, if I need esl...2 months later I represent the school in an all country academic event.
meh lil brother get sick of this country and gone back yes....I always hoped to do the same but now I get married and it seems less of a reality, anyway....we all face sh*t, If you don't consider yourself lucky.
lewee not fight each other, as cliche as it sounds.
Not to specifically call out or offend but I bet you people like Just cool and VB would have been rell padnahs as kids cuz of the similarities, it sad once they grown up, those same people seeing the same traits as differences
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Every one with their moderate view lemme ask allyuh something. did allyuh watch the clip on greenwooed tusla oklahoma?? and if yuh did, just answer me this.
if you were in this position where one day every thing was looking up and the next day your world was turned upside down to such an extent that not even the law of the land could have protected you just like these ppl in tulsa, tell meh, how would allyuh recover from that??
it have man here who willing to give grown men advice on how tuh conduct their lives only bc they take offense to when racial discrimination is confronted aggressively and unapologetically, but these same men really never experience full blown racism.
how could you advise ah man on something you are a stranger too? you have never walked a mile in that mans shoes but yuh ready to find fault with his method of survival.
i know for a fact that if anyone of you guys were ina position as the ppl in tulsa where the KKK came in and destroy all that yuh work for with reckless abandonment allyuh would need counsceling for the rest of yuhs life!
imagine man bawling bc couple ppl get man handled or beatdown by prejudice kids, could you imagine if they experienced running for their lives from the very ppl who has sworn to protect them while watching their friend and property perish @ the hands of ah whole racist town and nothing came of it.
imagine judges, police officers, fire fighters, lawyers, soldiers, men, women , children, doctors , dentist, all these responsible people shooting down your friends and family like dogs in the streets, mother, father, brother, sister, grandmother , grandfather, infant niece and nephews, tell me after an experience like that if you wouldn't hate these fackers and never trust them again.
i see allyuh holding grudge for, and hate jamal shabazz with ah passion like he killed someone in allyuh family just bc he took part in the coup, so i eh want tuh hear no forgiveness talk, or else allyuh will have to forgive shabbaz as well.
same for 911, it's been five yrs and these white folks eh want tuh hear nothing bout no forgiveness nah, uptil now they hunting the taliban and they didn't have nothing to do with 911.
VB what's sayest you about greenwood tulsa oklahoma on may 31st 1921 ??
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Institutional racism evident everywhere....
as VB mention in Canada too.
My family and I face it since we leave TnT.
Canada full of blatant racists, and its evident everyday, ah bunch of racist Italians and under the rug white people here.
Haven't faced too much racism from any WI period, and if I had it's a couple ignorant Jamaicans, and a dotish Bajan woman....but NEVER Trinis
I in the GTA for 20 years, and racism has more often than not come from those of European descent.
The old school Canadians who been here for generation I find rell cool.
I remember coming here 92, racism was bad...
kids spitting in my sister's path when they walking
being called n***er, p*ki, C**lie, sp*c....I say fck and leave them to themselves, had to fight down kids and lucky cuz of meh size I win without even having to throw a punch. A trini mouth is a powerful tool.
Institutional racism...sister being told she from a third word country and need to do easy classes like cosmetics....fyi she came from Convent and now a successful lawyer
I coming from CIC and they telling me since English not my first language, if I need esl...2 months later I represent the school in an all country academic event.
meh lil brother get sick of this country and gone back yes....I always hoped to do the same but now I get married and it seems less of a reality, anyway....we all face sh*t, If you don't consider yourself lucky.
lewee not fight each other, as cliche as it sounds.
Not to specifically call out or offend but I bet you people like Just cool and VB would have been rell padnahs as kids cuz of the similarities, it sad once they grown up, those same people seeing the same traits as differences
Institutional racism evident everywhere....
as VB mention in Canada too.
My family and I face it since we leave TnT.
Canada full of blatant racists, and its evident everyday, ah bunch of racist Italians and under the rug white people here.
Haven't faced too much racism from any WI period, and if I had it's a couple ignorant Jamaicans, and a dotish Bajan woman....but NEVER Trinis
I in the GTA for 20 years, and racism has more often than not come from those of European descent.
The old school Canadians who been here for generation I find rell cool.
I remember coming here 92, racism was bad...
kids spitting in my sister's path when they walking
being called n***er, p*ki, C**lie, sp*c....I say fck and leave them to themselves, had to fight down kids and lucky cuz of meh size I win without even having to throw a punch. A trini mouth is a powerful tool.
Institutional racism...sister being told she from a third word country and need to do easy classes like cosmetics....fyi she came from Convent and now a successful lawyer
I coming from CIC and they telling me since English not my first language, if I need esl...2 months later I represent the school in an all country academic event.
meh lil brother get sick of this country and gone back yes....I always hoped to do the same but now I get married and it seems less of a reality, anyway....we all face sh*t, If you don't consider yourself lucky.
lewee not fight each other, as cliche as it sounds.
Not to specifically call out or offend but I bet you people like Just cool and VB would have been rell padnahs as kids cuz of the similarities, it sad once they grown up, those same people seeing the same traits as differences
Interesting comments. When I first arrived back in 85, I was at an international school. There were many Asians there, so they had them do a TOEFL exam to determine what grade to puth them in. They ask me to do the exam both my Mother and I explained that I was English and had gotten a distinction back home. They asked me to do it anyway and I got a hundred, I easilly got more than 80 percent in Grade XIII Eng (which no longer exists) this was brought down to 74 becz I never used to come to class. ;D Minus 10% for class participation.
I never thought it was about race if you used to hear the kind of Eng. that used to come those Trinis mouth, I couldn't blame the white man for wanting to test them. ;D
You know I used to live at Keele/Finch many yrs ago, the neighbourhood was heavilly Italian and the old school Italians FOB used to look the other way and be usually dickish - their kids were cool. When Indians and Africans started moving in, I was glad. Unfortunately a small portion of them put on hoods and start to harass ppl - Now K/F and Murray Ross etc is referred to as Ghetto. I lived there for yrs and it was a beautiful place. No, this is not about race, is about wassi.
PT, as said in my earlier post I will respect anyone based on how they conduct themselves and if they dotish I will call them on it.
JC has every right to feel upset about the way whites have treated blacks and that disgusting website he showed us. However, based on my experience many non whites (regardless of ethnic origin) are disgustingly racist ppl - they may not wish genocide unto others but they need a good cut arse.
VB
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Proud tribagonian, when i was a kid VB and i more than likely would not have been friends, for the simple fact that more than likely we would not have lived in the same neighborhood, or attend the same school,
and if we did live in the same neighborhood maybe VB's parents would tell him not to keep company with that nayger boy, being fearful of me leading him astray.
allyuh dun know how trinidad stay! IMO trinidad just as racist as the USA, the only thing is that the ppl with power and money is in the minority, so they cyar implement full blown racism bc they out numbered,
but if them white boy down in west morring was in the majority, you would see groups like the KKK, aryan nation and the white brotherhood, and they woulda dun raid and lock up half of laventille long time.
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Proud tribagonian, when i was a kid VB and i more than likely would not have been friends, for the simple fact that more than likely we would not have lived in the same neighborhood, or attend the same school,
and if we did live in the same neighborhood maybe VB's parents would tell him not to keep company with that nayger boy, being of fearful of me leading him astray.
oh gosh ,ey lol ,
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JC,
at no point have I ever supported racism by anyone. If you read my posts you should know that.
What happened in Oklahoma was terrible and if you talking about white ppl do to black We would need about a million pages.
It does not however, allow non whites to savagely attack or racially abuse innocent ppl who have done them no harm.
My Grandfather was a member of parliament. The PNM do we all kinda ting, you see me with a chip on my shoulder with black ppl in TT. I chastise the PNM but not EVERY black man in TT.
I have no respect for the Indian govt. that allowed Indians to harass the Indo Chinese and which took away thier land and basically ran these poor ppl out of India. Although some families had been there for centuries and are citizens of India. I call it as I see it.
Have you ever heard what Burnham's govt did to the Indians in Guyana. Turning a blind eye to black ppl burning down the homes of Indians and taking their property and the police doing nothing about it??
You never will. Burnh. controlled the Press, Freedom of Speech was not allowed in Guyana and when the Indo Guyanese complained via TT and other countries - the black WI countries that thought apartheid was so terrible DID NOTHING. Finally Ralph Maraj, the ex TT Min. of foreign Affairs chastised all of the WI for this back in the 90s and nobody said a word becz if they tried to deny it - it would've been complete embarassment for a region that is very nonchalant about black racism. The UN got kicked out of Guyana TWICE becz they couldn't believe how the Govt. was impeding Indians from voting. My aunt was denied three times. On one occassion she was told she was dead.
Not surprisingly there are some very bitter Indo Guyanese, especially the older ones. I wonder if I had lived through that if I would be anti black as many of them are.
Can you imagine how stupid it would be of me becz of what my Grandfather experienced with the PNM and what Indo Guyanese experienced to be biassed against all African ppl?
I thank God for the mixed environment in which I grew up in, in TT. Race was never an issue for us. But if you think I givng anybody of any race a pass becz of their history - FOK DAT. We have laws.. Wrong is wrong!!!
VB
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Proud tribagonian, when i was a kid VB and i more than likely would not have been friends, for the simple fact that more than likely we would not have lived in the same neighborhood, or attend the same school,
and if we did live in the same neighborhood maybe VB's parents would tell him not to keep company with that nayger boy, being of fearful of me leading him astray.
oh gosh ,ey lol ,
Quags, yuh may find that distasteful eh? but yuh know how much red skin and french creole ppl in my neighborhood told their kids not tuh play wid me, even some black bugios ppl forbade their children to keep company wid i.
come on bro, i is ah truth teller. all i do is tell it like it is.
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Proud tribagonian, when i was a kid VB and i more than likely would not have been friends, for the simple fact that more than likely we would not have lived in the same neighborhood, or attend the same school,
and if we did live in the same neighborhood maybe VB's parents would tell him not to keep company with that nayger boy, being of fearful of me leading him astray.
oh gosh ,ey lol ,
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: So you know my family eh?? You know what my parents did and said when I was a kid. Boss you scarred and seriously so.
Well for your info I was the only Indian kid on the block so I really glad my parents never tell me to stay from the other kids. They didn't even blink an eye when I used to go swimming with the Rastas in Blue Basin. ;D
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Proud tribagonian, when i was a kid VB and i more than likely would not have been friends, for the simple fact that more than likely we would not have lived in the same neighborhood, or attend the same school,
and if we did live in the same neighborhood maybe VB's parents would tell him not to keep company with that nayger boy, being of fearful of me leading him astray.
oh gosh ,ey lol ,
Quags, yuh may find that distasteful eh? but yuh know how much red skin and french creole ppl in my neighborhood told their kids not tuh play wid me, even some black bugios ppl forbade their children to keep company wid i.
come on bro, i is ah truth teller. all i do is tell it like it is.
I could see how you turn out so. So black ppl and all dodge you eh?
Is becz you black or how you behave?
Unlike you, I will not pretend that I know your childhood or parents. :)
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And I don't accept anecdotal and hearsay from anyone (regardless of race) who uses such evidence to make generalized statements about any group of people. That is my issue with your statements. So take a chill pill and a deep breath and get on with your day.
So it eh real becz I tellin you I see it.
I have to wonder what kind of fool has lived in the GTA so long and is so clueless.
But your ignorance is not my concern.
Jackass if ppl tell you they see it with their own eyes, it eh true becz they telling you? I'll have to remember this the next time a black person bawling how they've been mistreated. Afterall not everybody lucky enough to get tape like Rodey King right. :)
VB you still missing the whole damn point! Yuh passion affecting your reading comprehension! Look I point out the crux for you.
Take your time.
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And I don't accept anecdotal and hearsay from anyone (regardless of race) who uses such evidence to make generalized statements about any group of people. That is my issue with your statements. So take a chill pill and a deep breath and get on with your day.
So it eh real becz I tellin you I see it.
I have to wonder what kind of fool has lived in the GTA so long and is so clueless.
But your ignorance is not my concern.
Jackass if ppl tell you they see it with their own eyes, it eh true becz they telling you? I'll have to remember this the next time a black person bawling how they've been mistreated. Afterall not everybody lucky enough to get tape like Rodey King right. :)
VB you still missing the whole damn point! Yuh passion affecting your reading comprehension! Look I point out the crux for you.
Take your time.
Never made a generalized statement a certain percentage of the Black WIs in Toronto shameles and many of them who may not do it - look on and prefer to run their mouth about white ppl. Strange that Pecan has no clue about this but when they come around me crying down whitey and I point out what I just said - all o' dem is shut dey ass. I have never met ONE BLACK PERSON in Toronto deny this. Maybe we should move to Pecan neighbourhood and take transit with his daughter.
I in Toronto over 20 yrs now. Take it how you want.
You ever wonder why the black Caribbean papers in Toronto happy to bad to write an article about racist white ppl but never about racist black ppl even when it gets reported in the news? Now I have been travelling immensely over the last few yrs so feel free to correct me when was the last time you a Black paper in Toronto talk about reverse discrimination. Is news - so they should have. Let me know if you see it.
VB
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And I don't accept anecdotal and hearsay from anyone (regardless of race) who uses such evidence to make generalized statements about any group of people. That is my issue with your statements. So take a chill pill and a deep breath and get on with your day.
So it eh real becz I tellin you I see it.
I have to wonder what kind of fool has lived in the GTA so long and is so clueless.
But your ignorance is not my concern.
Jackass if ppl tell you they see it with their own eyes, it eh true becz they telling you? I'll have to remember this the next time a black person bawling how they've been mistreated. Afterall not everybody lucky enough to get tape like Rodey King right. :)
VB you still missing the whole damn point! Yuh passion affecting your reading comprehension! Look I point out the crux for you.
Take your time.
Not passion - rather my observation and disgust after 20 of observing and experiencing. If a black man was living in the South US and say in his area most whites seem unconcerned my blatant racism. I am sure not one person here would question him about an anecdote or generalization.
What even worse is Pecan ask for examples and when I give him personal experiences this as* telling me is an anecdote. You have to wonder how much education or common sense some ppl hve had. Let's just pray his children never have to come home with an anecdote - Daddy mightn't take them seriously.
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VB you said that Black WI is the worst racists in Toronto.. That is a sweeping generalization. You made these statements based on anecdotes and your personal estimation of 30%.
What you accurately mean to say is some portion of Black WI are also guilty of prejudicial behaviour some of which you have experienced yourself.
At the end of the day this is a whole different kettle of fish from what jus cool talking about and really have no bearing on this topic. Yes these crimes are heinous as well but understand their is a difference as Bakes point out earlier. I don't know if it would have been better to start a new topic as this is we cyber rumshop after all... but I just saying, it could have been an option. cool
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Not passion - rather my observation and disgust after 20 of observing and experiencing. If a black man was living in the South US and say in his area most whites seem unconcerned my blatant racism. I am sure not one person here would question him about an anecdote or generalization.
VB don't be ah arse nah, while I am also against generalizing and stereotyping whole groups of people, there is mountains of evidence and much more than anecdotal evidence concerning INSTITUTIONAL racism in the American South. Example, police target statistics as truetrini pointed out. Loan success rates, Job application success rates etc and so on. And yes reported attacks!
What even worse is Pecan ask for examples and when I give him personal experiences this as* telling me is an anecdote. You have to wonder how much education or common sense some ppl hve had. Let's just pray his children never have to come home with an anecdote - Daddy mightn't take them seriously.
VB he was asking for evidence to support your generalization and YES you came with anecdotes. Your stories show that those people acted in a violent and discriminatory manner. They do not support your generalization
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VB, look your generalizations right here. If those statements are not generalizations, then I concede to you.
In my opinion, it's only about 30% of the WI pop that are like this, 60% eh give one ass but too smart or educated to show it publicly and 10% totally don't support that behaviour.
VB
Bakes, my point is this (of course I am apprpoximating numbers based on 20 yrs of observation. We have about 400 thousand Afro Carribean ppl in TO. So 30 percent is a little over 100 thousand. Now it might be a bit more or less but you talking about 100 thousand ppl.
Watch out for that chip on your shoulder. You are implying that it is not abnormal for 120,000 black WI to beat up on people in the TTC and another 240,000 who doh give a damn. If that is not a generalization, I stand corrected.
It is interesting that your posts directed at me have degenerated into passive aggressive ad hominem comments about me and my daughter. Take win.
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VB you said that Black WI is the worst racists in Toronto.. That is a sweeping generalization. You made these statements based on anecdotes and your personal estimation of 30%.
What you accurately mean to say is some portion of Black WI are also guilty of prejudicial behaviour some of which you have experienced yourself.
At the end of the day this is a whole different kettle of fish from what jus cool talking about and really have no bearing on this topic. Yes these crimes are heinous as well but understand their is a difference as Bakes point out earlier. I don't know if it would have been better to start a new topic as this is we cyber rumshop after all... but I just saying, it could have been an option. cool
I agree with you partially but not totally. let's just say those anecdotes are first hand accounts. Now if you wish to dismiss the accounts of others I know - that's your choice but you see here in Toronto the Press seems almost afraid of reporting on black racism. The only time you hear about it is when somebody get beat or their relative etc. This is why a lot of whites complain. Pecan is right about questioning why the Press wouldnt' do it. I am a journalist myself and I don't know why. However, I don't work for the Toronto Press.
But this is one of the reasons I am disgusted by the whole situation.
A different kettle of fish - to some degree yes - but blatant disgusting racism exists and I'm not talking about verbal abuse but kicking ppl and calling them names or what the Indians did to the Chinese in India or the Fijians did to the Indians in Fiji. Yet most of us don't know what I'm talking about becz the victims aren't black.
VB
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Strange that Pecan has no clue about this but when they come around me crying down whitey and I point out what I just said - all o' dem is shut deya. I have never met ONE BLACK PERSON in Toronto deny this. Maybe we should move to Pecan neighbourhood and take transit with his daughter.
VB
Well is time you met my wife's family who are black and from Jamaica. I must be the token Indian they allow to marry dey daughter/sister/neice/aunty
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Not passion - rather my observation and disgust after 20 of observing and experiencing. If a black man was living in the South US and say in his area most whites seem unconcerned my blatant racism. I am sure not one person here would question him about an anecdote or generalization.
VB don't be ah arse nah, while I am also against generalizing and stereotyping whole groups of people, there is mountains of evidence and much more than anecdotal evidence concerning INSTITUTIONAL racism in the American South. Example, police target statistics as truetrini pointed out. Loan success rates, Job application success rates etc and so on. And yes reported attacks!
What even worse is Pecan ask for examples and when I give him personal experiences this as* telling me is an anecdote. You have to wonder how much education or common sense some ppl hve had. Let's just pray his children never have to come home with an anecdote - Daddy mightn't take them seriously.
VB he was asking for evidence to support your generalization and YES you came with anecdotes. Your stories show that those people acted in a violent and discriminatory manner. They do not support your generalization
You want evidence - go to the Toronto police and ask them how many reports they have of blacks beating up non blacks (racially motivated). I eh doing your hw for you.
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Strange that Pecan has no clue about this but when they come around me crying down whitey and I point out what I just said - all o' dem is shut deya. I have never met ONE BLACK PERSON in Toronto deny this. Maybe we should move to Pecan neighbourhood and take transit with his daughter.
VB
Well is time you met my wife's family who are black and from Jamaica. I must be the token Indian they allow to marry dey daughter/sister/neice/aunty
I don't know your family is it possible (i) that theyhave never seen it or (ii) they don't wish to discuss racist black ppl and reserve the conversation for Indians and whites?
Then again Indian you living in the GTA and have no clue what I talking about.
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VB please don't trivialize the guyana affair like that, bc there's more to it. :shameonyou:
truth be told, guyana had a riot along racial lines and the indians lost not that it made it right, of course forbes should have stepped in and prevent it from happening, but it did not serve his political agenda so he turned a blind eye.
under chadee jagan's administration black guyanese ate the bread that the devil knead, that sparked the existing resentment that the two ethnic groups had for each other that stemmed back from the colonial era. when forbes attempt to cease power fanned the flames even more causing an all race riot.
so don't make it out to be like one day the black guyanese population woke up on the wrong side of the bed and decided to attack the indo community. there was a lot of provocation and resentment on both sides and one day it spilled over due to US and british manipulation, but you're right about one thing forbes could have done something to stop it, but it did not serve his purpose since he and the CIA were the ones who incited this riot in order to over throw jagan and his marxist policies..
jagan also have to share some blame bc when he was the PM he encouraged indian racist behavior just like panday did during his administration.
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Proud tribagonian, when i was a kid VB and i more than likely would not have been friends, for the simple fact that more than likely we would not have lived in the same neighborhood, or attend the same school,
and if we did live in the same neighborhood maybe VB's parents would tell him not to keep company with that nayger boy, being of fearful of me leading him astray.
oh gosh ,ey lol ,
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: So you know my family eh?? You know what my parents did and said when I was a kid. Boss you scarred and seriously so.
Well for your info I was the only Indian kid on the block so I really glad my parents never tell me to stay from the other kids. They didn't even blink an eye when I used to go swimming with the Rastas in Blue Basin. ;D
You also lack a sense of humor. ;)
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VB please don't trivialize the guyana affair like that, bc there's more to it. :shameonyou:
truth be told, guyana had a riot along racial lines and the indians lost not that it made it right, of course forbes should have stepped in and prevent it from happening, but it did not serve his political agenda so he turned a blind eye.
under chadee jagan's administration black guyanese ate the bread that the devil knead, that sparked the existing resentment that the two ethnic groups had for each other that stemmed back from the colonial era. when forbes attempt to cease power fanned the flames even more causing an all race riot.
so don't make it out to be like one day the black guyanese population woke up on the wrong side of the bed and decided to attack the indo community. there was a lot of provocation and resentment on both sides and one day it spilled over due to US and british manipulation, but you're right about one thing forbes could have done something to stop it, but it did not serve his purpose since he and the CIA were the ones who incited this riot in order to over throw jagan and his marxist policies..
jagan also have to share some blame bc when he was the PM he encouraged indian racist behavior just like panday during his administration.
Idon't know every thing about Guyana but sadly from observations of Indo Guyanese both in Guyana and Toronto, I am tempted to agree with you.
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VB please don't trivialize the guyana affair like that, bc there's more to it. :shameonyou:
truth be told, guyana had a riot along racial lines and the indians lost not that it made it right, of course forbes should have stepped in and prevent it from happening, but it did not serve his political agenda so he turned a blind eye.
under chadee jagan's administration black guyanese ate the bread that the devil knead, that sparked the existing resentment that the two ethnic groups had for each other that stemmed back from the colonial era. when forbes attempt to cease power fanned the flames even more causing an all race riot.
so don't make it out to be like one day the black guyanese population woke up on the wrong side of the bed and decided to attack the indo community. there was a lot of provocation and resentment on both sides and one day it spilled over due to US and british manipulation, but you're right about one thing forbes could have done something to stop it, but it did not serve his purpose since he and the CIA were the ones who incited this riot in order to over throw jagan and his marxist policies..
jagan also have to share some blame bc when he was the PM he encouraged indian racist behavior just like panday did during his administration.
Again I am honest enough to say I don't know but I am aware that many Indo Guyanese are not saints when it comes to racism. I have heard the things they say and it makes me shudder.
I will say this, Cheddy was friends with my Grandfather and he would stay at my GF's house. When the blacks started attacking the Indians when Cheddy was still in charge, he was ecouraged to "deal with the blacks." His response was "You can't fight fire with fire." Now I am not going to tell you that Cheddy is Ghandi but he sure as hell was no Burnham. He and Burn. had an agreement to share the power and Burn. took over - well we all know what happened.
VB
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Bakes, my point is this (of course I am apprpoximating numbers based on 20 yrs of observation. We have about 400 thousand Afro Carribean ppl in TO. So 30 percent is a little over 100 thousand. Now it might be a bit more or less but you talking about 100 thousand ppl. What is get me if I get vex and say Niggah dat or dis or beat someone black and call them racist names, the Afro WIs will probably kill me. But when they see their race doing it they are literally comatose. All dat mouth about racism is boil down like bagee.
Now if an afro WI wants to point out a specific case of opression in TO and it's true (some ppl regardless of background is see race every day, especially when they cant get their way) I will support him. However, if he wants to talk about opression from whitey. I have no intentions of pretending I don't see or know about the most obvious racism I see in TO.
One day I was at a BBQ in Brampton. The men were all black and sons of Trinis. They were talking about racism by white people. And of course they are right we have a racism problem in Canada. And black ppl in particular seem to have a problem with the police when driving. However, after 20 minutes about racist white people, I realzied that the conversation seemed more about racism in general. And I said to the host, "you've been living here longer than me. And you know there is nobody more shameless, bold or agressive when it comes to racism than a black WI." He just smiled and stopped talking. They all did. They're not bad, ignorant ppl. They're decent ppl who were unbiased. They have seen what I have seen. And yes they are black and I respect them as friends because they are decent.
It seems to confuse some here when I say some of my best friends are black WI.
Well we have racist whites in Canada, we have the Arian Nation and the New World Order. However that doesn't stop me from being friends with decent, good, white people.
I can assume that the Africans on this site have close friends who are white or Indian but that won't stop you from criticizing a racist Indian or white fool. As said before I will criticize any racist ass, including my own race. But that doesn't mean I can't show a proper human being - regardless of his race - the proper respect.
VB
I was not at all confused... just found it convenient.
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Every one with their moderate view lemme ask allyuh something. did allyuh watch the clip on greenwooed tusla oklahoma?? and if yuh did, just answer me this.
if you were in this position where one day every thing was looking up and the next day your world was turned upside down to such an extent that not even the law of the land could have protected you just like these ppl in tulsa, tell meh, how would allyuh recover from that??
it have man here who willing to give grown men advice on how tuh conduct their lives only bc they take offense to when racial discrimination is confronted aggressively and unapologetically, but these same men really never experience full blown racism.
how could you advise ah man on something you are a stranger too? you have never walked a mile in that mans shoes but yuh ready to find fault with his method of survival.
i know for a fact that if anyone of you guys were ina position as the ppl in tulsa where the KKK came in and destroy all that yuh work for with reckless abandonment allyuh would need counsceling for the rest of yuhs life!
imagine man bawling bc couple ppl get man handled or beatdown by prejudice kids, could you imagine if they experienced running for their lives from the very ppl who has sworn to protect them while watching their friend and property perish @ the hands of ah whole racist town and nothing came of it.
imagine judges, police officers, fire fighters, lawyers, soldiers, men, women , children, doctors , dentist, all these responsible people shooting down your friends and family like dogs in the streets, mother, father, brother, sister, grandmother , grandfather, infant niece and nephews, tell me after an experience like that if you wouldn't hate these fackers and never trust them again.
i see allyuh holding grudge for, and hate jamal shabazz with ah passion like he killed someone in allyuh family just bc he took part in the coup, so i eh want tuh hear no forgiveness talk, or else allyuh will have to forgive shabbaz as well.
same for 911, it's been five yrs and these white folks eh want tuh hear nothing bout no forgiveness nah, uptil now they hunting the taliban and they didn't have nothing to do with 911.
VB what's sayest you about greenwood tulsa oklahoma on may 31st 1921 ??
You completely missed the point (say nothing of making wild assumptions)... but say what, is your life and your blood pressure boss :beermug:
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Then this:
Dwight York, founder and kingpin of the black supremacist hate group Nuwaubian Nation of Moors, pleaded guilty in January in what prosecutors called the largest case ever mounted against a single child molester.
A decade ago, as chronicled in the Fall 2002 Intelligence Report, York moved the headquarters of his sprawling cult (which claims chapters in several U.S. and foreign cities) from Brooklyn, N.Y., to a 476-acre dairy farm in rural Georgia. York told his followers they were building a sovereign nation where they would be free from the influence of white "devils."
But the leader, who claimed at various times to be a space alien and God in the flesh, had other reasons to want sovereignty. After 25 years of leading his cult, York had left New York while authorities were investigating allegations of molestation, murder and financial shenanigans.
The law finally caught up with York last May, when he was indicted on 197 counts of child molestation. Prosecutors said the number of counts could have reached the thousands, but York's young victims could not recall all the specific dates on which he abused them.
Rather than face a trial, the Nuwaubian "savior" pleaded guilty in January to 77 state charges of molesting 13 Nuwaubian children. The 57-year-old York, who will serve between 15 and 50 years in federal prison, also copped pleas to federal charges of financial reporting fraud and transporting children across state lines for sex. York forfeited the more than $400,000 in cash that was taken from his house when federal and local officers raided the Nuwaubian compound last May. Part of the money will go to his victims.
Some of York's cult members, taught to believe he was the target of a vendetta by white racists and "house niggers," have remained loyal. But several of the formerly faithful have denounced York. His driver during the 1970s, Saadik Redd, told the Macon Telegraph he hopes his daughter — still a disciple of York's — will join other Nuwaubians in leaving the group.
"I hope they can see the fallacy in him," Saadik said, "and understand that the whole thing was a lie."
The man talking about institutionalized racism and you self coming with this bullshit to fack up de flow?
HJe started off showing hate groups..I was merely pointing out that there are many hate groups, both black and white and explained to him that he should give less relevance to the idiots.
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There is a reason why there are usually laws to protect minorities!
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VB, look your generalizations right here. If those statements are not generalizations, then I concede to you.
In my opinion, it's only about 30% of the WI pop that are like this, 60% eh give one ass but too smart or educated to show it publicly and 10% totally don't support that behaviour.
VB
Bakes, my point is this (of course I am apprpoximating numbers based on 20 yrs of observation. We have about 400 thousand Afro Carribean ppl in TO. So 30 percent is a little over 100 thousand. Now it might be a bit more or less but you talking about 100 thousand ppl.
Watch out for that chip on your shoulder. You are implying that it is not abnormal for 120,000 black WI to beat up on people in the TTC and another 240,000 who doh give a damn. If that is not a generalization, I stand corrected.
It is interesting that your posts directed at me have degenerated into passive aggressive ad hominem comments about me and my daughter. Take win.
No ad hominem but rather should your family experience what others have withno public record, you may be forced to not take them seriously. If I a correct
Seeing that you are a man who need substantiation I am sure those who were attacked and spoken to by the police have their statements as a matter of public record. The odd radio station (never seen it on tv) has done storie with the victims of reverse discrimination. If you need records so much go and ask them.
But it's an insult to these ppl to dismiss their experiences becz you didn't see a tv report about it.
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But it's an insult to these ppl to dismiss their experiences becz you didn't see a tv report about it.
Who de arse dismissing these experiences???
You still missing de whole damn point... I don't know if it is willful at this point.
Do you not imply that it is not abnormal for 120,000 black WI to beat up on people in the TTC and another 240,000 who doh give a damn. ?
do you stand by this? Come nah fatima man, yuh smarter than this... jeez
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But it's an insult to these ppl to dismiss their experiences becz you didn't see a tv report about it.
Who de arse dismissing these experiences???
You still missing de whole damn point... I don't know if it is willful at this point.
Do you not imply that it is not abnormal for 120,000 black WI to beat up on people in the TTC and another 240,000 who doh give a damn. ?
do you stand by this? Come nah fatima man, yuh smarter than this... jeez
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But it's an insult to these ppl to dismiss their experiences becz you didn't see a tv report about it.
Who de arse dismissing these experiences???
You still missing de whole damn point... I don't know if it is willful at this point.
Do you not imply that it is not abnormal for 120,000 black WI to beat up on people in the TTC and another 240,000 who doh give a damn. ?
do you stand by this? Come nah fatima man, yuh smarter than this... jeez
Pecan was clearly dismissive - as he put it hearsay, well peple who reported it to the police would have it as public record.
If you want to hit me on my "estimation," I will accept it. No one can be sure, is not like we could count them or they will volunteer themselves.
But it is alarming to see the nonchalance of WIs when they are witnessing it. Again this would be in the police reports.
VB
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I wouldn't even let this fella play with his own kids ;)
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Pecan was clearly dismissive - as he put it hearsay, well peple who reported it to the police would have it as public record.
If you want to hit me on my "estimation," I will accept it. No one can be sure, is not like we could count them or they will volunteer themselves.
But it is alarming to see the nonchalance of WIs when they are witnessing it. Again this would be in the police reports.
VB
I was going to call it a day but I feel the need to clarify a few things ... I now see why you are annoyed with me.
For the record, I never dismissed your personal experiences. What I challenged (dismissed if you want to use that word) was using these incidents (anecdotes - I don't know you - why should I accept it at face value especially since your conclusions are inflammatory; "challenging" is not synonymous with "dismissive") to extrapolate or generalize that:
1) 30% of Black WI were overtly racist to the point where it was not abnormal for them to beat up people on the TTC.
2) 60% of Black WI did not care if this occurred
3) 10% did not support this behaviour.
And I continue to challenge you conclusions especially you calculated that the 30% was over 100,000 people. Even if these people acted out only once a year, then that would equate to 100,000 incidents a year or 274 race related beat-downs a day. Even if they worked as gang of 10 and only did it once a year, that would equate to 27 race related assaults on the TTC a day. Believe me, if the TTC was receiving 27 race related complaints/day or 10,000/year, it would be all over the news. In other words, your statistics deserved to be challenged. And as a competent Journalist, you should rise to the challenge unless of course it is emotion-based rather than objective reporting..
I don't need to look up police statistics. I challenged you to support your assertions and all you did was to come back with more anecdotes and hearsay.
You finally concede that your 30% is a estimation. But that estimate is still based on 15 data points in 20 years plus hearsay from your friends and family and using that estimate to paint a broad brush on the black WI population smacks of stereotyping. Perpetuating generalized statements like what you made will lead to racism, the very thing which you claim to abhor. That is poor journalism. You can't expect to make sweeping generalizations and not expect to get challenged. And when you do, you ignore the salient point of the challenge and attack the challenger with comments that suggest that I trivialize or dismiss what is clearly unacceptable racist behavior.
Overt race related behaviors happens on the TTC but not likely to the extent that you have stated and no doubt, needs to be addressed more definitively.
And hyperbole does not advance the cause one bit.
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Pecan,
if you wish to challenge stats that's fine. I did make an approximation and as I am not Rain Man, I can see the doubt in a third party's eyes. I did some demographics research with Stats Canada in the mid 90s for a Caribbean paper - as one needs to know the market.
The numbers for the Afro Cbbn population then was around 330 000 (this included their children born in Canada). So even if the pop didn't grow you can see what 30 percent is. Yes that 30 percent is my estimation - it could be worse or better.
Who says 100 000 ppl are doing it once a yr. it could be much less and yes even with groups even less but still an alarming number. I am not going to say there are one thousand incidents a yr. but the fact that the Press does not seem to want to cover it makes it impossible to know.
I did not say that these events are SOLELY about physical abuse but racial abuse in general. My incident on the bus had no one attacking me or the woman involved.
You seem to know how journalism works in Toronto. However, this is one of the reasons whites I've met are frustrated.
Yes, I've seen this on the TTCC but also at Keel/Finch and in the downtown area. Not once were they reported on the news. So did I have a hallucination becz the Press didn't cover it.
I do know that the dailies are scared to death of upsetting blacks. Because this may lead to the boycotting of products advertised in the papers which leads to a loss of revenue. But honestly that is not reason enough.
Every WI I've met in TO who has lived there for some yrs. knows what I'm talking about (the 30% aside) so I am confused as to how you have no idea. But it's not something I can wast time pondering upon.
Now I have told you about the accounts of myself and about 10 odd ppl what about the million plus living in Toronto who may have their own stories. Again - no Press to rely on.
Once in my life did I see coverage on this. By chance I was in a taxi and the radio was on - apparently and Indian girl was attacked at Kennedy Station. Her nose ring was ripped off and she was beaten down the escalator by four black youths screaming "Don't dress black, don't dress black." As she put it, "sneaker, jeans and a denim jacket don't seem to be dressing black. What is it to dress black and if I were, does that give them the right to beat me."
This report was not taken up by ONE tv station or newspaper. I never would have known about it had I not taken that taxi and the driver not had that station on.
I am guessing you missed this report. And contrary to your logic this "news" was not taken up by the TV stations.
Boss, just because the press don't report it, doesn't meant it's not happening.
I have no animosity towards you and I'm genuinely pleased that you and your children have not had to experience this. However, TO is my city too, this problem does not seem to be devolving and minorities must learn to look inwards and not always blame others.
Feel to question my stats - on that point I can see your logic. But not everything is based on logic. If your logic tells you that the TO press would be all over cases of reverse discrimination - good luck waiting.
For over 20 years non whites used to have problems at national trials in TT (I've spoken to some of them). Not one journalist in TT ever covered this (does it only matter when black pp suffer). You know who was the first journalist to touch on that topic - me.
As Ghandi put it (parahrasing) - If you know you speak the truth, don't deter even if all others disagree.
I believe you when you say you have no idea about this in TO. Hopefully, you'll never have to find out the hard way.
VB
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VB, dahs what yuh was doing during de game?
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VB, dahs what yuh was doing during de game?
Nah. dat is what I was doing during half time.
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Pecan,
if you wish to challenge stats that's fine. I did make an approximation and as I am not Rain Man, I can see the doubt in a third party's eyes. I did some demographics research with Stats Canada in the mid 90s for a Caribbean paper - as one needs to know the market.
The numbers for the Afro Cbbn population then was around 330 000 (this included their children born in Canada). So even if the pop didn't grow you can see what 30 percent is. Yes that 30 percent is my estimation - it could be worse or better.
Who says 100 000 ppl are doing it once a yr. it could be much less and yes even with groups even less but still an alarming number. I am not going to say there are one thousand incidents a yr. but the fact that the Press does not seem to want to cover it makes it impossible to know.
I did not say that these events are SOLELY about physical abuse but racial abuse in general. My incident on the bus had no one attacking me or the woman involved.
You seem to know how journalism works in Toronto. However, this is one of the reasons whites I've met are frustrated.
Yes, I've seen this on the TTCC but also at Keel/Finch and in the downtown area. Not once were they reported on the news. So did I have a hallucination becz the Press didn't cover it.
I do know that the dailies are scared to death of upsetting blacks. Because this may lead to the boycotting of products advertised in the papers which leads to a loss of revenue. But honestly that is not reason enough.
Every WI I've met in TO who has lived there for some yrs. knows what I'm talking about (the 30% aside) so I am confused as to how you have no idea. But it's not something I can wast time pondering upon.
Now I have told you about the accounts of myself and about 10 odd ppl what about the million plus living in Toronto who may have their own stories. Again - no Press to rely on.
Once in my life did I see coverage on this. By chance I was in a taxi and the radio was on - apparently and Indian girl was attacked at Kennedy Station. Her nose ring was ripped off and she was beaten down the escalator by four black youths screaming "Don't dress black, don't dress black." As she put it, "sneaker, jeans and a denim jacket don't seem to be dressing black. What is it to dress black and if I were, does that give them the right to beat me."
This report was not taken up by ONE tv station or newspaper. I never would have known about it had I not taken that taxi and the driver not had that station on.
I am guessing you missed this report. And contrary to your logic this "news" was not taken up by the TV stations.
Boss, just because the press don't report it, doesn't meant it's not happening.
I have no animosity towards you and I'm genuinely pleased that you and your children have not had to experience this. However, TO is my city too, this problem does not seem to be devolving and minorities must learn to look inwards and not always blame others.
Feel to question my stats - on that point I can see your logic. But not everything is based on logic. If your logic tells you that the TO press would be all over cases of reverse discrimination - good luck waiting.
For over 20 years non whites used to have problems at national trials in TT (I've spoken to some of them). Not one journalist in TT ever covered this (does it only matter when black pp suffer). You know who was the first journalist to touch on that topic - me.
As Ghandi put it (parahrasing) - If you know you speak the truth, don't deter even if all others disagree.
I believe you when you say you have no idea about this in TO. Hopefully, you'll never have to find out the hard way.
VB
yeah, it was the stats that riled me. I am more inclined to agree that the 30% might be closer to the truth is it includes both physical and non-physical racists behaviour. For that matter, the 30% likely applies to all races. Every race has it share of people who have prejudices and will act on these biases in a racist fashion.
anyways ... :beermug: maybe we go bounce up on the TTC one day ;)
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Pecan same thing vb saying, why yuh want to bounce up de man? tsk tsk tsk
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Pecan same thing vb saying, why yuh want to bounce up de man? tsk tsk tsk
Nah, he could bounce me up man, that's allright. :)
Btw, although I may have gone in depth to make a point to Pecan, I may have given others the idea that TO is some kind of racial cesspit. The truth is the govt. has serious laws about racism and there are ppl of all races who get along just fine.
But like any mega city with massive migration we have a lot of positives and some negatives.
Perhaps one of the best ways to describe the situation here was by a black New Yorker I met in the 90s.
The guy was an amateur heavyweight boxer- a heavyweight - physically big and imposing but very well and soft spoken. He and his friends would come to TO about three times a yr. He told me that what he liked about TO was that he never felt aware of being a black man. As he put it, he was having dinner with a white woman in a restaurant in TO and everything was normal. He stressed that if was the only black man in a rest. in NY,he would definitely be aware of it.
I really don't know what that's like as I've never had to feel self conscious of my colour no matter what rest. I walked into in TO. So it gave me a greater appreciation of life in our city.
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VB, look at what's being propagated at a Toronto high school
NOTE: school officials have stated that this is a hoax and the letter did not originate from the school
(http://www.latinorebels.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/ovr.jpg)
someone is certainly trying to stir the pot.
http://www.torontosun.com/2013/02/11/richview-collegiate-probing-racist-letter-posted-online
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Nah, he could bounce me up man, that's allright. :)
Btw, although I may have gone in depth to make a point to Pecan, I may have given others the idea that TO is some kind of racial cesspit. The truth is the govt. has serious laws about racism and there are ppl of all races who get along just fine.
But like any mega city with massive migration we have a lot of positives and some negatives.
Perhaps one of the best ways to describe the situation here was by a black New Yorker I met in the 90s.
The guy was an amateur heavyweight boxer- a heavyweight - physically big and imposing but very well and soft spoken. He and his friends would come to TO about three times a yr. He told me that what he liked about TO was that he never felt aware of being a black man. As he put it, he was having dinner with a white woman in a restaurant in TO and everything was normal. He stressed that if was the only black man in a rest. in NY,he would definitely be aware of it.
I really don't know what that's like as I've never had to feel self conscious of my colour no matter what rest. I walked into in TO. So it gave me a greater appreciation of life in our city.
That restaurant musta been in early 90s Bensonhurst... because I eat in restaurant all over Manhattan, with people of all kinds of races. Never one day felt self-conscious. True of too many US cities to count. Half ah dat self-conscious thing is self-fulfilling b.s. that residing in dem fellas head. They feeling uncomfortable like maybe they standing out, then they start looking around to see who watching them... then every glance becomes an accusation.
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Nah, he could bounce me up man, that's allright. :)
Btw, although I may have gone in depth to make a point to Pecan, I may have given others the idea that TO is some kind of racial cesspit. The truth is the govt. has serious laws about racism and there are ppl of all races who get along just fine.
But like any mega city with massive migration we have a lot of positives and some negatives.
Perhaps one of the best ways to describe the situation here was by a black New Yorker I met in the 90s.
The guy was an amateur heavyweight boxer- a heavyweight - physically big and imposing but very well and soft spoken. He and his friends would come to TO about three times a yr. He told me that what he liked about TO was that he never felt aware of being a black man. As he put it, he was having dinner with a white woman in a restaurant in TO and everything was normal. He stressed that if was the only black man in a rest. in NY,he would definitely be aware of it.
I really don't know what that's like as I've never had to feel self conscious of my colour no matter what rest. I walked into in TO. So it gave me a greater appreciation of life in our city.
That restaurant musta been in early 90s Bensonhurst... because I eat in restaurant all over Manhattan, with people of all kinds of races. Never one day felt self-conscious. True of too many US cities to count. Half ah dat self-conscious thing is self-fulfilling b.s. that residing in dem fellas head. They feeling uncomfortable like maybe they standing out, then they start looking around to see who watching them... then every glance becomes an accusation.
You may have a point but he wasn't getting no glances in TO apparently.
But I could kinda understand the looks he might get. He was an imposing looking mofo.
VB
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An attack by a man of colour on the TTC. But no mention of whether it was racially motivated. VB this one got reported.
Aye VB, the incident took place in close to my daughter's neighbourhoor and on the same train line she rides almost everyday.
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/02/27/man_stabbed_at_davisville_subway_platform.html (http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/02/27/man_stabbed_at_davisville_subway_platform.html)
Good Samaritan stabbed on TTC subway
A Good Samaritan was stabbed in the neck after standing up to a heckler harassing passengers aboard a TTC subway Wednesday night, police say.
At around 10:20 p.m., the 34-year-old man was on a southbound train near Davisville station when another man began pacing around the car and provoking commuters.
“It appears this guy was just being a jerk to people on the train,” said Staff Sgt. Matt Moyers.
Eventually, the victim stood up and asked the man to stop.
“He was like, ‘Hey listen, enough’s enough,’” Moyers said. “‘C’mon man. Leave these people alone.’”
The assailant reacted by jabbing a knife into the victim’s neck without warning.
“The [knife] clipped a little artery,” said Moyers. “It bled fairly well.”
A passenger assistance alarm was activated and people aboard the train assisted the man as emergency crews rushed to the scene.
The victim was taken to hospital with serious but non-life threatening injuries.
The suspect managed escape to the scene without being apprehended.
“The weird thing is the guy walked out of the train,” said Moyers. “I thought he would run or bolt.”
Police have released security camera photos of the attacker, and are asking for the public’s assistance in identifying him.
He is described as a black male aged 30 to 32, around 6 feet tall with a thin build. He was wearing a black jacket with a hoodie and carrying a white plastic bag.
He is considered to be armed and dangerous.
With files from Sarah Taguiam.
(http://www.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/uploads/2013/2/28/1362056375764.jpg)
Police have released security camera photos of the attacker, and are asking for the public’s assistance in identifying him.
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mens here said this is not good but ,race should not even be put in the equation ,they just being young.
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Pecan,
I'll go out on a limb and say it wasn't racially motivated because (I'm assuming) the witnesses would've told the police and they would've reported as much when speaking to the Press.
Back in 1997 I had to battle with a mentally challenged black male who tried to throw a child out of the train whilst there was one moving on the opposite track.
Finally two fellas entered and helped me. Dotish me I run off to work once the situation was over.
The first fella to help me say he alone do it and nobody do anything.
You know most memeber so the press refuse to print what I said to them. One reporter even falsified his report - City TV to make it look like I agreed. Thank God for the Caribbean Camera.
Wish there was CCTV on the train back then.
Yeah the fella who lie was black too - Victor Crowle (sp) but that had nothing to do with race either.
VB
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Yeah the fella who lie was black too - Victor Crowle (sp) but that had nothing to do with race either.
VB
Then why mention it?
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Pecan,
I'll go out on a limb and say it wasn't racially motivated because (I'm assuming) the witnesses would've told the police and they would've reported as much when speaking to the Press.
Back in 1997 I had to battle with a mentally challenged black male who tried to throw a child out of the train whilst there was one moving on the opposite track.
Finally two fellas entered and helped me. Dotish me I run off to work once the situation was over.
The first fella to help me say he alone do it and nobody do anything.
You know most memeber so the press refuse to print what I said to them. One reporter even falsified his report - City TV to make it look like I agreed. Thank God for the Caribbean Camera.
Wish there was CCTV on the train back then.
Yeah the fella who lie was black too - Victor Crowle (sp) but that had nothing to do with race either.
VB
VB, I was being a bit facetious by making this post and being a bit of a s**t disturber by mentioning the "race" question.
It just seemed to me a bit odd that this attack got reported but the race related ones with similar consequences don't.
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Pecan,
I'll go out on a limb and say it wasn't racially motivated because (I'm assuming) the witnesses would've told the police and they would've reported as much when speaking to the Press.
Back in 1997 I had to battle with a mentally challenged black male who tried to throw a child out of the train whilst there was one moving on the opposite track.
Finally two fellas entered and helped me. Dotish me I run off to work once the situation was over.
The first fella to help me say he alone do it and nobody do anything.
You know most memeber so the press refuse to print what I said to them. One reporter even falsified his report - City TV to make it look like I agreed. Thank God for the Caribbean Camera.
Wish there was CCTV on the train back then.
Yeah the fella who lie was black too - Victor Crowle (sp) but that had nothing to do with race either.
VB
VB, I was being a bit facetious by making this post and being a bit of a s**t disturber by mentioning the "race" question.
It just seemed to me a bit odd that this attack got reported but the race related ones with similar consequences don't.
Remember a man got stabbed and there was CCTV but actually that shouldn't matter.
Believe me I've met many white ppl who wonder the same in Toronto. :)
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tings muist be f**ked up in TO, allyuh calling money Looney and tooney...what de f**k allyuh expect?
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tings muist be f**ked up in TO, allyuh calling money Looney and tooney...what de f**k allyuh expect?
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: i cyah blame yuh. ;D
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Yeah the fella who lie was black too - Victor Crowle (sp) but that had nothing to do with race either.
VB
Then why mention it?
Good question.
For two reasons. Race had nothing to do with it, the same if a white man had come along and done the same shi* to a black man. It was just plain dotishness. Just like what Pecan pointed out above.
Also becz when I was ineterviewed by the paper that carried my account. The reporter asked me what if the guy respons that this was about race. I was confused. So the rep. explained "well he's black."
I could only say "but I'm not white." I was genuinely confused. I didn't understand how race had anything to with him just being a lying cun*.
The reporter explained he might accuse me of being racist towards a black man. I really couldn't see that happening and it didn't. But we live in a very multi cultural city where sometimes ppl like to play the race card shamelessly so you never know.
But bottom line that incident had nothing to do with race.
VB
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Sometimes we too paranoid about race when we are in an environment that we think should be so.
Some years ago I was in Manhattan with my daughters on a lil holiday, after walking about with them all morning (yuh know in and out of shops) I said right time for lunch.
I was feeling for a lil sandwich, they were indifeerent so we walked into a small restaurant.
Immediately I felt a strangeness about the place, the tables were long and the seats were benchs.
The menu was weird but then I thought this is New York and it could be some Latvian restaurant or something.
Anyhow by now the 2 other customers , the waiters and the supervisor were giving us some looks that I thought were pretty mean but I said fook dat I buying and eating here (a little show of barvado in front of the girls).
The only thing I felt sounded edible were some sausages which I ordered, the girls just had coke.
The thing tasted like spiciy chalk anyhow called for the bill and picked up enough nerve to ask the waiter why we were getting the nasty stares .
He laughed and said they were not nasty stares but incredulous stares since we were the first black jews to ever eat there.
I told my daughters it was a test.
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Sometimes we too paranoid about race when we are in an environment that we think should be so.
True words!
But how did they know you were Jews?
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Sometimes we too paranoid about race when we are in an environment that we think should be so.
Some years ago I was in Manhattan with my daughters on a lil holiday, after walking about with them all morning (yuh know in and out of shops) I said right time for lunch.
I was feeling for a lil sandwich, they were indifeerent so we walked into a small restaurant.
Immediately I felt a strangeness about the place, the tables were long and the seats were benchs.
The menu was weird but then I thought this is New York and it could be some Latvian restaurant or something.
Anyhow by now the 2 other customers , the waiters and the supervisor were giving us some looks that I thought were pretty mean but I said fook dat I buying and eating here (a little show of barvado in front of the girls).
The only thing I felt sounded edible were some sausages which I ordered, the girls just had coke.
The thing tasted like spiciy chalk anyhow called for the bill and picked up enough nerve to ask the waiter why we were getting the nasty stares .
He laughed and said they were not nasty stares but incredulous stares since we were the first black jews to ever eat there.
I told my daughters it was a test.
good example of how things are not always what they may appear to be.
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this happen close to where i am. looks like they catch de guy.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2013/03/01/toronto-subway-stabbing-arrest.html
he was on probation so he eh go be homeless for long. is the don for he.
An attack by a man of colour on the TTC. But no mention of whether it was racially motivated. VB this one got reported.
Aye VB, the incident took place in close to my daughter's neighbourhoor and on the same train line she rides almost everyday.
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/02/27/man_stabbed_at_davisville_subway_platform.html (http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/02/27/man_stabbed_at_davisville_subway_platform.html)
Good Samaritan stabbed on TTC subway
A Good Samaritan was stabbed in the neck after standing up to a heckler harassing passengers aboard a TTC subway Wednesday night, police say.
At around 10:20 p.m., the 34-year-old man was on a southbound train near Davisville station when another man began pacing around the car and provoking commuters.
“It appears this guy was just being a jerk to people on the train,” said Staff Sgt. Matt Moyers.
Eventually, the victim stood up and asked the man to stop.
“He was like, ‘Hey listen, enough’s enough,’” Moyers said. “‘C’mon man. Leave these people alone.’”
The assailant reacted by jabbing a knife into the victim’s neck without warning.
“The [knife] clipped a little artery,” said Moyers. “It bled fairly well.”
A passenger assistance alarm was activated and people aboard the train assisted the man as emergency crews rushed to the scene.
The victim was taken to hospital with serious but non-life threatening injuries.
The suspect managed escape to the scene without being apprehended.
“The weird thing is the guy walked out of the train,” said Moyers. “I thought he would run or bolt.”
Police have released security camera photos of the attacker, and are asking for the public’s assistance in identifying him.
He is described as a black male aged 30 to 32, around 6 feet tall with a thin build. He was wearing a black jacket with a hoodie and carrying a white plastic bag.
He is considered to be armed and dangerous.
With files from Sarah Taguiam.
(http://www.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/uploads/2013/2/28/1362056375764.jpg)
Police have released security camera photos of the attacker, and are asking for the public’s assistance in identifying him.
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Sometimes we too paranoid about race when we are in an environment that we think should be so.
True words!
But how did they know you were Jews?
We are not but the restaurant was Jewish.
Apparently jewish fare is an acquired taste