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Sports => Football => Topic started by: Flex on June 04, 2013, 05:30:37 PM
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Romania defeats Warriors.
By Inshan Mohammed.
Trinidad and Tobago national men's football team got a 4-0 spanking on Tuesday from a well respected Romanian side at the National Arena in Bucharest.
The Romanians got an hat-trick from Schalke 04 striker Ciprian Marica in the 31st, 33rd and 82nd minute respectively while T&T defender Daneil Cyrus added the final nail in the coffin with an own goal in the 83rd to seal the win for the Europeans.
Romania were technically superior while T&T, who started off with a surprising 4-4-2 format looked disorganized but showed fight from an individual aspect- they just could not get their acts together as they fell apart and deteriorated as the match progressed.
The Soca Warriors did however show some individual grit in the second half but noting really menacing enough to trouble the Romanian side as the Europeans ran away with a comfortable 4-0 victory in the first ever meeting between both nations.
Romania are using the game to prepare for their 2014 World Cup qualifications while Trinidad and Tobago is preparing for the 2013 Concacaf Gold Cup.
Next up T&T faces Estonia in Tallinn on Friday.
Teams
Trinidad & Tobago: - 1.Marvin Phillip, 3.Joevin Jones (Yellow 18), 4.Justin Hoyte, 5.Radanfah Abu Bakr, 6.Daneil Cyrus, 10.Kevin Molino (8.Ataullah Guerra 54th), 11.Kevon Carter, 12.Darryl Roberts (19.Shahdon Winchester 71st), 14.Andre Boucaud (Yellow 16) (13.Cornell Glen 78th), 18.Densill Theobald (capt) (7.Christopher Birchall 71st - vice-capt), 9.Devorn Jorsling (15.Jamal Gay 54th).
Coaches: - Hutson Charles and Jamaal Shabazz.
Romania: - 1.Bogdan Lobont (capt), 2.Alexandru Măţel (4.Srgian Luchin 46th), 3.Răzvan Raţ (Yellow 41), 5.Nicolae Grigore (18.Hoban Ovidiu 46th), 8.Costin Lazăr (16.Nistor Dan 66th), socawarriors.net, 9.Ciprian Marica, 11.Gabriel Torje, 15.Dorin Goian (21.Dragoș Grigore 46th), 17.Valerică Găman, 19.Bogdan Stancu (Yellow 20) (6.Adrian Stoian 83rd), 22.Aurelian Chiţu (7.Grozav Gheorghe 46th).
Coach: - Victor Piţurcă.
Goalscorers: - Ciprian Marica 31, 33, 82, Daneil Cyrus 49 own-goal.
Venue: - National Arena, Bucharest.
Referee: - Milorad Mazic (Serbia and Montenegro).
Temperature: - 23°C.
Video: - Post Match Comments - Jamaal Shabazz (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzv0q8djxrg).
Full report to follow.
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...at least we score.
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...at least we score.
why you so!
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Say what allyuh want about jamal, one things for sure is he doh have ah big boy fack the supporter attitude like latapy and other coaches in the past.
https://www.youtube.com/v/hzv0q8djxrg
he was more than willing to discuss things in great detail, something that latas never did, so hats off to shabbaz, the man trying his best, don't know if his best is good enough though.
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He want to put Shadon in front of Glen? No reason to be experimenting to much. Play your big boys..Why you jumbieing Glen so?
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He want to put Shadon in front of Glen? No reason to be experimenting to much. Play your big boys..Why you jumbieing Glen so?
the man said that glenn is not fit, so he has to know since he's the coach.
did you see glenn vs peru, the man did a lousy job alone up front. glenn is also not fully fit, so why not use ah fitter in form striker, that makes plenty sense IMO, after all it's ah friendly, so why not experiment?
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13. You are a striker so obviously you need good service and T&T isn't a team that offers too much of that. Not to mention the system the coaches use with one striker on top, makes it even more difficult for a striker to score goals. In your humble opinion what would you like to see the national team coaches do more to help make you and your teammates a better team, or a more successful one?
CG: I believe the lone striker can work. We have the players to provide service; the coaches need to find the best mix in midfield. I think this is one of the best crop of young midfielders we've had in a very long time and its going to be a very difficult selection. With the likes of Joevin Jones, Hughtun Hector, Kevin Molino, Ataullah Guerra and Khaleem Hyland just to name a few it's not going to be an easy task for the Coaches.
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=59760.msg854574#msg854574
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http://www.youtube.com/v/kRfpiyb8LdE
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all dem goals was savable, sorry marvin, but yuh eh ready yet.
i sure beenhakker take off after than abysmal first half.
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First goal: Where were the rest of the defense ??? or the team for that matter ?? even after the goal score not another TnT player in the picture. It was like 4vs2.
Second goal: maybe the keeper's at his first post.
Third Goal: Hard luck there with the deflection of of Cyrus.
Forth Goal: The number 4 (Hoyte I believe) caught ball watching and allowed a free header in the box. AND Jones on the line needed to react faster and head that out.
From the rest of the highlights it seems that we got in their half a few times, would have been interesting to see the game and the flow and ball possession.
With a made up defense like what we had I am not totally surprised at the nature of the goals conceded.
At least they playing more than one game because it hard to go so far and only get one chance to show what you can do(Hoyte)
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Man, TTFF should have set up 2 games at homes for next week. The friggin' football season done. Everybody, except the ones who "injured" should be available. They could have gotten Venezuela as one of the teams. They right dey. Jump in the coast guard pirog and we in Ven. But leh we see how they play against Estonia.
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The big Leo was in attendance :beermug:
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I did not see the game but I beg the question. Did the team look rudderless and adrift like the last three international friendlies against Peru and Belize?
At what point in your friendlies do you come to win the game instead of just playing to learn something. It is obvious to a lot of people including myself that both the team and the coaching staff have learned very little. However, the perception is that the lesson learned indicates that the team cannot win with the current coaching staff and the coaching staff cannot win the big games with this team.
Every great coach has a philosophy about playing the game to win and yes they may go about it differently-driven by ideas and cause-tactically, social and sporting. Some see a direct correlation between the team's approach to the game and the economic crisis-the effort, the work, the planning, the concentration and the discipline-to them it all makes sense, the manner in which you play should be a demonstration of the respect you have for the people that pay to see you play, and of course the other great coaches see things differently, but one thing is constant. The will to win.
Vince Lombardi said, "Winning isn't everything, it is the only thing"
Hank Stram, KC Chiefs said, "Just win, baby"
Pat Guardiola, winner of 14 titles at Barca in 4 years, described Barca's football under him as "audacious"
Sir Alex said he just wanted his team to reflect his personality which he described as "the will to win"
Under this current coaching double header none of those qualities are easily identifiable because they don't exist.
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I eh no Shabazz fan, but we should give him the benefit of doubt. Our football team seem to be perpetually changing players. Because some of our players go abroad, for a multiple reason we could never get all of them together for games. Is either one half for one game and the other half for the next. And they playing all corners of the planet. We can't even get our US based players, farless, Euro and East Asia. How do we account for Hoyt and Boucaud. These mean have to get a tryout to be able to gel with the team. How often do Shabazz have them men together. Like I have said before, the TTFA should have arranged a home and away series with Venezuela. We would have had 4 games under belts and we would see the consistencies of all the players. But I am disappointed Hyland and the Eastern Euro bunch not in this mixup. Also JLloyd and Cato should be on this squad.
Deese, I eh trying to be picky, but is Al Davis, co-owner of the Raiders, who said, 'Just win Baby'.
Guardiola and Fergusion were club coaches. They have more time to mold players. National coaches don't have the luxury of time on their hands. So you see the predicament Shabazz in. Now if the whole team was based on AIA, that would be a different case.
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Deeks ..what crap yuh torking give him benefit of what doubt...Shabazz is a big coach...de man have pedigree yuh eh see he leave Guyana to coach TnT.... even with 2 weeks if yuh cyah articulate and demand how you want your defense as well as the rest of yuh team to play...what good of a coach are you? is not like he coaching little boy
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I saw the match live in the stadium. At times our passing was clean and precise but we were not penetrating enough and more often looked like a dis-jointed side. I understand it was a friendly, but oh gawd fellers, show some enthusiasm and the winning spirit of T&NT to want to succeed. Worst of the night was Number 3 Joevin Jones. He never knew what to do with the ball and never used the space when he had the opportunity. Back in the days I saw more flowing passes and team skills at an Intercol Match
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I saw the match live in the stadium. At times our passing was clean and precise but we were not penetrating enough and more often looked like a dis-jointed side. I understand it was a friendly, but oh gawd fellers, show some enthusiasm and the winning spirit of T&NT to want to succeed. Worst of the night was Number 3 Joevin Jones. He never knew what to do with the ball and never used the space when he had the opportunity. Back in the days I saw more flowing passes and team skills at an Intercol Match
He was playing out of position torry, actually he's a CM playing as a full back. could you give us an analysis of the players that you saw, and who impressed you the most of our players?
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I saw the match live in the stadium. At times our passing was clean and precise but we were not penetrating enough and more often looked like a dis-jointed side. I understand it was a friendly, but oh gawd fellers, show some enthusiasm and the winning spirit of T&NT to want to succeed. Worst of the night was Number 3 Joevin Jones. He never knew what to do with the ball and never used the space when he had the opportunity. Back in the days I saw more flowing passes and team skills at an Intercol Match
I saw the match on a tiny screen on my laptop...and TnT played crap....no defensive organization no transition either way....played like a pick up side
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What is this plan Shabba goin to devise?
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2ND HALF ONLY
https://www.youtube.com/v/6e4IEiAOzog
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Deeks ..what crap yuh torking give him benefit of what doubt...Shabazz is a big coach...de man have pedigree yuh eh see he leave Guyana to coach TnT.... even with 2 weeks if yuh cyah articulate and demand how you want your defense as well as the rest of yuh team to play...what good of a coach are you? is not like he coaching little boy
Bro, I eh no apologist for Shabazz, but this is the first game for some, playing for TT. I don't think some of the guys were with the team for 2 weeks. Maybe the locals. But you right, he needs to articulate some urgency with this team. Look, when Beenie man was in charge, we played Greneda a friendly and we barely beat them. Men find we weren't doing this, doing that. But as time went on, the team improved tremendously. Why? Because Don Leo had plenty time to stamp his image on the team. How often does Shabazz and Charles have the team. How often they have a core group of players. Our best players are overseas, scattered all over the globe. Have we ever had all of them together for one game? No
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Coaching education (not that c license thing they peddling around) is what we need badly. It seems that we lack more modern positional tactical movements and understanding. The interaction of the different lines both horizontally and vertically escapes us. This shows in our lack of support for the player on the ball, almost always numbers down in attack, not being in a positions on attack to transition defensively and vice versa, etc.
Our youth coaches (ssfl & pfl) needs to be addressed forthwith. These coaches need to be constantly supplied with coaching education from various federations. Something needs to be done as players can only be blamed for so long. At some point we have to look deeper, at the instructions these players receive at a young age, the environment that is created for them to develop in, the future that is presented to them.
What are we doing and how are we going about doing it?
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Coaching education (not that c license thing they peddling around) is what we need badly. It seems that we lack more modern positional tactical movements and understanding. The interaction of the different lines both horizontally and vertically escapes us. This shows in our lack of support for the player on the ball, almost always numbers down in attack, not being in a positions on attack to transition defensively and vice versa, etc.
Our youth coaches (ssfl & pfl) needs to be addressed forthwith. These coaches need to be constantly supplied with coaching education from various federations. Something needs to be done as players can only be blamed for so long. At some point we have to look deeper, at the instructions these players receive at a young age, the environment that is created for them to develop in, the future that is presented to them.
What are we doing and how are we going about doing it?
endorsed
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So what is de first step? Not fire Shabazz?
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So what is de first step? Not fire Shabazz?
Yes i think the whole forum agrees with you on that :devil:
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Ok good..now for the time being we will fire Shabazz with immediate effect before the next game, while handing Hutson Charles the reins on an interim basis .
We must not waste any more time in this endeavour. We must bear in mind that Charles was doing a fine job before Shabazz stepped in. We would have finished first place had it not been for Shabba's inclusion which brought only mayhem and confusion.
We are in a rebuilding stage, we not trying to qualify for WC 2014 so there's no need to rush and spend so much money in bringing back Beenhaaker.
The money that we would be spent on Beenhaaker spend on the youth development that many of you just talked about.
Let us build on our past successes by learning from our mistakes let's not keep making these same mistakes over and over.
Let's build with our locals first then if we need help to go WC 2018 then we could look at outside help .
Look how Nigeria won the African Nations cup with a local coach. Let's build local with local ideas. Foreign ideas can be used to help accentuate our ideas and should not be used as a replacement.
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The reports/views i'm following here from posters on the Forum is nothing new from previous games,after every game u hear the same complaints.
I have said it before,we will continue to have these problems because T&T needs players,the players we have not ready for high level competition,our players individually does well playing on various teams but our problem is when we have to play together as a team.
We complain about our Coaches too much,these guys are not magicians,they can't make blood out of stone,coaching a T&T team isn't fun any more because u have nothing to work with,check the amount of Cocahes both foreign/local we have had in the past few years,with the exception of Benie none were successful dosn't that tell you all something,imagine we have a list of 35 players plus some who was not available and we can't produce a respectable national team,one set of crap about who fit and eh fit etc etc these are players alyu always boasting about.
Everybody on here have a formula,strategy,plan etc etc for our Football,the only ppl that don't have one are the ppl who controls the game in the country,ever since i know T&T Football our policy has always been to fly in players at the last minuit to represent us,so when we talking about long term preperation i don't know what we talking about,what pulled us out in the past was the ability of the players we had but now a days we don't have that kind of player,the blood sweat and tears type of player.
I support my country i support anything to do with Football,i hate ppl putting down the players and team because these guys don't go out there to loose,most of all i think they are trying their best is just that the mentality of Footballers in our country have to change,gone are the days when we were a force to be recommend with,nobody respects T&T any more,the players today have to regain that.
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The reports/views i'm following here from posters on the Forum is nothing new from previous games,after every game u hear the same complaints.
I have said it before,we will continue to have these problems because T&T needs players,the players we have not ready for high level competition, our players individually does well playing on various teams but our problem is when we have to play together as a team.
We complain about our Coaches too much,these guys are not magicians,they can't make blood out of stone,coaching a T&T team isn't fun any more because u have nothing to work with,check the amount of Cocahes both foreign/local we have had in the past few years,with the exception of Benie none were successful dosn't that tell you all something,imagine we have a list of 35 players plus some who was not available and we can't produce a respectable national team,one set of crap about who fit and eh fit etc etc these are players alyu always boasting about.
Everybody on here have a formula,strategy,plan etc etc for our Football,the only ppl that don't have one are the ppl who controls the game in the country,ever since i know T&T Football our policy has always been to fly in players at the last minuit to represent us,so when we talking about long term preperation i don't know what we talking about,what pulled us out in the past was the ability of the players we had but now a days we don't have that kind of player,the blood sweat and tears type of player.
I support my country i support anything to do with Football,i hate ppl putting down the players and team because these guys don't go out there to loose,most of all i think they are trying their best is just that the mentality of Footballers in our country have to change,gone are the days when we were a force to be recommend with,nobody respects T&T any more,the players today have to regain that.
cosign
but these same coaches have to take it upon themselves to come up with a plan for success and it must be two prong i. they need to develop players to play at this level ii. they must find ways of educating themselves to coach at this level.
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Mr Cooper I have much respect for you and the contributions you have made to Trinidad football, however football players mentality have changed over the years.
Long ago a coach just had to put a player in a position and that was it..the player would perform beyond your expectations..nowadays the players have the ability but they need direction and leadership...yuh literally have to read and spell for them..yuh have to motivate dem and get into their brain..that takes a special type of coach.
These players we have are the best we can get..some have better qualities than others..none have all the qualities but all have potential to be better I can see that.
Despite the result I am still proud of the players I saw out there yesterday..personally I feel they did well against such a difficult opponent..I felt that with better leadership and guidance we would have seen a better game not necessarily a better result but a better performance.
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Guys allyuh talking about long ago the coach could just put in a player and he perform. With the exception of about 4 or 5 pros playing in the US at the time, all our players were local. It was easier then. Now we have 2 foreign born playing for the first time. Then Abu Bakr making a return after how long. Plus men like Hector, Samuel, Hyland, Cato could not make it. Allyuh think one week of touch football is good enough. I am not an apologist for Shabazz. If we had a foreign coach, we still might have gotten 4. Let see how they do against Estonia.
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the problem is not so much coaching as it is product.
the pro league has a very poor product, and it's becoming very obvious that it's only the pro leaguers who's is making the commitment to rep the country. the euro based and the MLSers are all dodging playing in these friendlies, and for what i don't know.
hector is always injured, hyland is always carrying knocks, primus always injured, carlos always have prior commitments, this is the second time kenwyne jones wanted to be excused and keon daniel always have something to do, especially him, he needs to never ever get another national call up for dat shit he pulled in the semifinal rounds of the caribbean cup.
the only person i giving a bleigh is caryle mitchell, it seems that he's truly injured.
anyway we looked poor yesterday bc we had a poor product, no disrespect to the pro league players, but the league and the lack of youth development on the island is astonishing, especially since we are from a wealthy country who failed to invest in sports which in turn cheated you out of a better career.
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the problem is not so much coaching as it is product.
the pro league has a very poor product, and it's becoming very obvious that it's only the pro leaguers who's is making the commitment to rep the country. the euro based and the MLSers are all dodging playing in these friendlies, and for what i don't know.
hector is always injured, hyland is always carrying knocks, primus always injured, carlos always have prior commitments, this is the second time kenwyne jones wanted to be excused and keon daniel always have something to do, especially him, he needs to never ever get another national call up for dat shit he pulled in the semifinal rounds of the caribbean cup.
the only person i giving a bleigh is caryle mitchell, it seems that he's truly injured.
anyway we looked poor yesterday bc we had a poor product, no disrespect to the pro league players, but the league and the lack of youth development on the island is astonishing, especially since we are from a wealthy country who failed to invest in sports which in turn cheated you out of a better career.
JC, these statements become self prophesying. I don't believe they are accurate, yet they will be the ones that are commonly repeated by those who don't attend Pro League games.
The Pro League is a very long way from being perfect, but if its so poor, why do we keep seeing two Pro League teams qualifying for the Champions League?
As for youth development, once you can kill off Intercol you will see progression. I know that statement is like blasphemy here, but I'm trying to convince 16, 17 and 18 year old players to join Central instead of playing school football and its a nightmare. I can understand it if they're going to school for educational purposes, but they're not. Many don't even have to attend classes. Meanwhile, we have one boy who we can send on trial to UK and he's seriously considering staying at school, despite having no interest in education.
How can you properly develop 14 year olds when they suddenly decide that playing for the school takes priority and the school won't allow both?
Central fielded several 16 and 17 year olds this season and you'll see much more next season. Also, W.Connection have fielded boys as young as 15. I admit, we have to do more than just let them play football, what we need is a bespoke academy, you know a kind of "Centre of Excellence". Hmm, there's an idea!
I don't see the Romania defeat as a thrashing. 4-0 against a team over 40 places above you isn't an embarrassment. You'd expect Stoke City to beat Leyton Orient 4-0. Estonia will be a better test of where we stand. More than a 2-0 defeat would be a disaster, a draw would be nice and a victory would be a good, positive result.
The problem is not the players, it's the system they play (or rather, don't play) The ballers amongst us would know that you want to be comfortable when you have the ball. You don't want to search for an option, you instinctively know it's there. As a defender, if I'm facing my keeper I want to know that my left or right back has dropped to allow me to play the way I'm facing instead of turning into trouble. As a forward with my back to goal, I want to know that my A.M is running through so I can flick the ball onto him. I know where he wants the ball and he knows where I'm sending it.
This is why other teams appear much better. Whatever player they put in a position plays the same way the last guy did. So, instead of patching together a team and then giving them a system, we should develop a system and fit the round pegs into round holes, regardless of reputation.
England did this with Heskey, then Crouch. There were better, more accomplished players and most English supporters hated those two, but they delivered consistently and England played a successful system.
Maybe Brazil, Spain and Portugal can get by on flair and pure skill, but most need a system. Look at Germany and Italy. You can predict where the ball will go before it happens. That's how Denmark won the Euros in 82 (?). They couldn't even qualify and got through by default. Poland, Switzerland, Austria, Belgium, Sweden. None of them excitement, but all would give Germany, Italy, France and England a good game and would probably beat T&T.
Now......the backlash!!
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http://www.youtube.com/v/kRfpiyb8LdE
Like Beenhaker dye he hair.
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The reports/views i'm following here from posters on the Forum is nothing new from previous games,after every game u hear the same complaints.
I have said it before,we will continue to have these problems because T&T needs players,the players we have not ready for high level competition, our players individually does well playing on various teams but our problem is when we have to play together as a team.
We complain about our Coaches too much,these guys are not magicians,they can't make blood out of stone,coaching a T&T team isn't fun any more because u have nothing to work with,check the amount of Cocahes both foreign/local we have had in the past few years,with the exception of Benie none were successful dosn't that tell you all something,imagine we have a list of 35 players plus some who was not available and we can't produce a respectable national team,one set of crap about who fit and eh fit etc etc these are players alyu always boasting about.
Everybody on here have a formula,strategy,plan etc etc for our Football,the only ppl that don't have one are the ppl who controls the game in the country,ever since i know T&T Football our policy has always been to fly in players at the last minuit to represent us,so when we talking about long term preperation i don't know what we talking about,what pulled us out in the past was the ability of the players we had but now a days we don't have that kind of player,the blood sweat and tears type of player.
I support my country i support anything to do with Football,i hate ppl putting down the players and team because these guys don't go out there to loose,most of all i think they are trying their best is just that the mentality of Footballers in our country have to change,gone are the days when we were a force to be recommend with,nobody respects T&T any more,the players today have to regain that.
cosign
but these same coaches have to take it upon themselves to come up with a plan for success and it must be two prong i. they need to develop players to play at this level ii. they must find ways of educating themselves to coach at this level.
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When we decide to hire persons who are properly qualified for a job based on solid credentials (not who your daddy is and who you know and who know you etc etc), then we can actually expect something good to happen. Why is anyone one even wasting their virtual ink complaining about the team's performance. Do we expect a man who was is charge of the women's team for quite some time and never even qualified for a world cup (much easier than to do than the men's team), to suddenly propel the warriors to the glorious heights of competitive, international football? This is a different stratosphere, and no offense Mr Shabazz, but you don't even know you need a space suit, far more how to get there.
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Football supporter yuh more than correct, yes every thing you said was spot on, but in addition to not having a system we adhere too and the fact that the intercol being our only youth development centers and academies, we also have a lousy slow pace under par league, and even though we continue qualify for the CCL, we never get past the group stage.
this is what i'm getting @ FS, T&T have talented players but they are ill equipped and not well trained, and to add insult, the level they play on is worst than the english conference! IMO that's why we look so shabby out there.
when you look @ players like kevon carter, and daniel cyrus ball watch and could barely pass a ball 30 yrds without it being intercepted, i say we will always eat licks.
so my point is, we don't have well train players bc we don't have academies or youth development centers on the island, so they come through the ranks of the SSFL which IMO is weaker than weak, our league is poor even though our teams qualify for champions league regularly, but against poorer opposition.
so add this to your theory.
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The standard you see now is a product of our grass roots. Look at Belgium, they have a special generation because 10 yrs ago they
redesign their youth football. Once dem youths blossom, then the National team becomes healthy. I will say again. NO COACH making
a hugh difference to this crop of players. Yes a good coach will organize them, but under pressha the organization will still fall apart.
Yesterday I watch Euro U21 Italy & England. If you see Italy, technique, pace, mobility. Players hungry no ass. Then I watch Israel &
Norway is the same. My point is these countries, like Romania taking care off their garden & then have a good local market to display them
produce. Once the produce get scouted & bought they moving to countries that demanding more and making them into an even better product.
We football have to steps, is a track, most times rain fall and the track real slippery no one making it, other times the track dry enough for somebody
to get through.
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Football supporter yuh more than correct, yes every thing you said was spot on, but in addition to not having a system we adhere too and the fact that the intercol being our only youth development centers and academies, we also have a lousy slow pace under par league, and even though we continue qualify for the CCL, we never get past the group stage.
this is what i'm getting @ FS, T&T have talented players but they are ill equipped and not well trained, and to add insult, the level they play on is worst than the english conference! IMO that's why we look so shabby out there.
when you look @ players like kevon carter, and daniel cyrus ball watch and could barely pass a ball 30 yrds without it being intercepted, i say we will always eat licks.
so my point is, we don't have well train players bc we don't have academies or youth development centers on the island, so they come through the ranks of the SSFL which IMO is weaker than weak, our league is poor even though our teams qualify for champions league regularly, but against poorer opposition.
so add this to your theory.
JC, everything you say makes sense, particularly about youth development, but let me throw a few things back at you (and my last point may really upset people!)
I grew up watching Gillingham week in week out for 20 years. Let me tell you, they played some serious levels of shit at times. Last day of one season missed relegation to conference on goal difference. At times the only tactics were: row Z for defence and long ball for attack.
So I was used to shit football. In fact when we played in the Championship (Sancho et al) it didn't look like my team anymore! And, of course, working for the PFA I was watching 3 or 4 games a week, mainly League 1 and 2, some Conference and Reserve League.
So when I saw Pro League it was no disappointment to me. I felt that generally it was League 2 standard, but with some Championship players in the mix.
And thats the best you will achieve here. Maybe we can increase the standards to League 1 and maybe at times Championship, but never EPL Much of this is pure mathematics. UK has 60 times more footballers than T&T. For our Daneil Cyrus, UK has 60 of them and because of competition for places at academies and in teams, those 60 work much harder than Cyrus and because those 60 are playing and training with 59 other Cyrus's, they improve much quicker. And even then, the old Division 1 was relatively poor and two or three teams could dominate. We had to bring in foreigners to make the EPL exciting and raise standards.
Next, you cannot force a quicker pace of game without supporters. Put Man U vs Chelski in an empty stadium and the game will be slow. Until we fill our stadiums and create atmosphere, there will be a lack of passion, pace and urgency.
We have to manage our expectations. When you see the national team lose 4-0 to Romania, it's no different to me watching Gillingham lose 5-0 to Chelsea in the F.A. Cup. T&T will never reach the levels of Mexico and USA. Yes, they may give them a good game or two and if we win we will be giant killers, but we will never play like them constantly.
Where does that leave us? Well, we must work harder to be the top regional team. Every WC and GC we have to win our early rounds. We want USA and Mexico to look at the draw and want to avoid us. Be the Sweden of the Caribbean. And every few tournaments we will create some headlines and hopefully reach another WC finals. That is the reality. Once you accept that, trust me, a 2-0 win over Jamaica will feel like winning the F.A. Cup!!
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2 Boss post FS..and nice comments/discussive points ANC2, Milkyx, MEP, deeks & JC
will like to add one point..since we keep exporting some of our best & brighter (academically)younger players/non-players to foreign colleges - won't fault them for that- but don't have a plan/place for them to return to TT society, then it considerably weakens our sportive development pool, as well as our social and economic progress. Younger ppl learn on the backs of the ppl before them, but if the ppl before them constantly emigrate for whatever reason then you left with a weakend society..it's good for them to go away, but we need to have them comeback and demonstrate/teach/police/lead.
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2 Boss post FS..and nice comments/discussive points ANC2, Milkyx, MEP, deeks & JC
will like to add one point..since we keep exporting some of our best & brighter (academically)younger players/non-players to foreign colleges - won't fault them for that- but don't have a plan/place for them to return to TT society, then it considerably weakens our sportive development pool, as well as our social and economic progress. Younger ppl learn on the backs of the ppl before them, but if the ppl before them constantly emigrate for whatever reason then you left with a weakend society..it's good for them to go away, but we need to have them comeback and demonstrate/teach/police/lead.
It's difficult as this is a man's career we're talking about. Of course it would be nice for them to come back at a reasonable age, but there's nothing here for them. They may get an offer of $8k or $9k per month, but realistically, probably no more than $7.5k. Meanwhile, they could play in League 2 for a minimum of $3,500 per week with housing thrown in. If they're a decent player, they could earn $10k pw in League 2, $15-20k in League 1 and up to $100k pw in the Championship. Why would you come home?
Its the same old story, somehow we have to get money into the game in T&T. Large crowds, TV rights, bigger prize money, transfer fees all equal better wages for players. And the first step is getting bums on seats to create the demand......but how do you do that? I'm all out of ideas!!
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Magyar Labdarúgó-Válogatott
Dear Trinidad & Tobago Football Federation Representatives,
Raising your attention on the racist incident against your players and the people of your country at the match between Romania - Trinidad & Tobago played 4th June 2013 in Bucharest, Romania, I would like to make a general enquiry if you happen to make an official report to FIFA about the case?
Romanian fans showed unacceptable behavior, whenever the players of Trinidad possessed the ball - they were cawing and hooting on Trinidadians, violating their human rights as acting racist. The incident was reported in the popular Romanian sports magazine, Prosport as well:
http://www.prosport.ro/fotbal-intern/nationala/fani-iresponsabili-romania-risca-sanctiuni-dupa-meciul-cu-trinidad-tobago-10926815
Fani iresponsabili! România riscă sancţiuni după meciul cu Trinidad & Tobago | ProSport
www.prosport.ro
Deşi nu au venit în număr foarte mare la meciul din această seară, anumiţi fani ...ai echipei naţionale s-au făcut încă o dată de râs, motiv pentru care
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First time i am hearing about this.
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Aside from the 3rd pic when scrolling down, those Romainains had a lot to say about this but I can't understand one word they're saying though :frustrated:
http://www.prosport.ro/fotbal-intern/nationala/fani-iresponsabili-romania-risca-sanctiuni-dupa-meciul-cu-trinidad-tobago-10926815
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Try using Google translate
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http://www.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.prosport.ro%2Ffotbal-intern%2Fnationala%2Ffani-iresponsabili-romania-risca-sanctiuni-dupa-meciul-cu-trinidad-tobago-10926815
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http://www.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.prosport.ro%2Ffotbal-intern%2Fnationala%2Ffani-iresponsabili-romania-risca-sanctiuni-dupa-meciul-cu-trinidad-tobago-10926815
:beermug: I really would've like to see the comments by the Romanians as well but hey the at least I found out the third pic is about two people having sex in the back seat of a cab ;)
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Why is this even an issue? we've been down this road before and nothing has and will change in ah hurry if sepp has anything to do with it.