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Sports => Football => Topic started by: Flex on June 12, 2013, 02:02:44 AM
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Corneal: Tough to find opponents for Soca Warriors.
By Kern De Freitas (Express).
The Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) will be looking to line up at least a couple more practice fixtures for the senior national football team before they head into the CONCACAF Gold Cup next month.
Last week the Soca Warriors played two friendly internationals against European opposition, losing 4-0 away to Romania last Tuesday at Bucharest, before falling 1-0 to Estonia in Tallin, Estonia on Friday.
T&T, who were limited by a number of injury concerns and absences in Europe, showed some improvement against Estonia after being whipped in their first match.
Technical director Anton Corneal told the Express yesterday that he had seen little of T&T’s Europe encounters, but is hoping to line up at least two more matches to give the team a little more time to play under match conditions before they head to the US for the July 7-28 tournament.
T&T, who are pooled in Group B with Honduras, El Salvador and Haiti, kick off their campaign against the Salvadorans on July 8 at Red Bull Arena in Harrison, New Jersey.
According to Corneal, the team can look forward to government support ahead of the tournament, but he conceded there has been some difficulty in securing opponents.
“We need to see our players at the highest level,” Corneal said. “We are not the choice team to play against right now. We don’t have a lot of options to play the best teams. (But) if we can play one or two games before the Gold Cup, it will make us better.”
Corneal also explained that last week’s matches were used by the coaches to see how players work together in different positions, how they play together and which players complement each other. Up to yesterday he had not spoken to the technical team, though, to get feedback on their latest two assignments, which left T&T winless in their last six matches.
Said Corneal: “I think (the match) would have given the coaches the opportunity to see the players, and which players are ready right now to move forward to the Gold Cup. I know we have some injuries, which would affect (them) having the strongest team. A key injury (is that of) Carlos Edwards, who will help us in the Gold Cup. It really gives the coaches an idea of which players will be ready.
“We’ve got a local camp that the players will take part in. They will start on Thursday, where they will get to see the players in the build-up to the Gold Cup.”
Of the results against Romania and Estonia, Corneal said they should not be looked at at face value.
“Nobody wants to ever lose, but we have to put things in perspective,” he explained. “Romania would be at a bit of a better standard than we are. Estonia, the result was not a bad result, but it’s difficult to judge the result. It should be judged on how the players performed and where we are (in preparation for the tournament).”
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So how Haiti could get Italy and Spain !!!
What them doing ?
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So how Haiti could get Italy and Spain !!!
What them doing ?
That was like a charity event sam, i really don't believe that italy and spain really wanted to play haiti, although right now i believe they may have found a new respect for concacaf teams, and in particular haiti.
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According to Corneal, the team can look forward to government support ahead of the tournament, but he conceded there has been some difficulty in securing opponents.
“We need to see our players at the highest level,” Corneal said. “We are not the choice team to play against right now. We don’t have a lot of options to play the best teams. (But) if we can play one or two games before the Gold Cup, it will make us better.”
The legacy of Jack Warner, ladies and gentlemen.
This is where our great leader has left us. CFU head, Concacaf head and FIFA VP. Years of networking and rubbing shoulders with the best confederations and FA's and we have NOTHING to show for it. Not even a decent reputation.
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"Technical director Anton Corneal told the Express yesterday that he had seen little of T&T’s Europe encounters, but is hoping to line up at least two more matches to give the team a little more time to play under match conditions before they head to the US for the July 7-28 tournament."
This is a misprint right ? my bad...maybe he was technically directing...maybe the interview was while the internet was down :devil:
ah mean, if you don't look to see where we at, how you go know where you need to go..or it doh matter ? Hurry up an look at the games please Anton.
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"Technical director Anton Corneal told the Express yesterday that he had seen little of T&T’s Europe encounters, but is hoping to line up at least two more matches to give the team a little more time to play under match conditions before they head to the US for the July 7-28 tournament."
This is a misprint right ? my bad...maybe he was technically directing...maybe the interview was while the internet was down :devil:
ah mean, if you don't look to see where we at, how you go know where you need to go..or it doh matter ? Hurry up an look at the games please Anton.
On the other hand, he's been criticised for travelling with the teams ... fairly sure, he'll have a look.
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Is not they hard to find, is a matter of planning. If is now you come looking for opposition of course people book up.
You know you qualify for GC, you know the GC dates a year ago, you know the opposition months ago. That was the time to book games & dates.
Is last minute thing a love. Always the same dam disorganization. Who was the Manager in charge, when we qualify, after the draw all that?
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Anton! Just play anyone man! get ah couple of wins under your belt, will boost team confidence!
It's nice to play good teams and win but TT just need to beat somebody real bad at this time! Yesterday Sweden struggle to beat Faroe Islands rank 162.
Play ball and focus on your job as TD, try and give the coaches some advise on team defending (too spread-out) cause we really suck in that department! I must say I saw some improvement on possession, switching the play and less direct long ball good signs! Also there seems to be a lack of coaching on support for our lone striker from our wide players and attacking center mid as these players are none existent in helping out the striker. One reason why we can't score.
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Anton! Just play anyone man! get ah couple of wins under your belt, will boost team confidence!
It's nice to play good teams and win but TT just need to beat somebody real bad at this time! Yesterday Sweden struggle to beat Faroe Islands rank 162.
Play ball and focus on your job as TD, try and give the coaches some advise on team defending (too spread-out) cause we really suck in that department! I must say I saw some improvement on possession, switching the play and less direct long ball good signs! Also there seems to be a lack of coaching on support for our lone striker from our wide players and attacking center mid as these players are none existent in helping out the striker. One reason why we can't score.
anton is d last man to give defensive advice.......is how much 7-0 and such he collect in he career again?
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On the other hand, he's been criticised for travelling with the teams ... fairly sure, he'll have a look.
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True that..but he wouldn't have had to fly further than to this site to get a link up..some fellas here even doing analysis for free..oh wait..to much thunder and interference
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why not venez or canada? corneal and them have no organization nor imagination...
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Not surprised ! No value to anyone to play our team! Supports the point that we have a lot of image building to do!
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You all can beat around the bush on this topic but we can't get away from the fact that we used to get opponents to play because of the position and weight JW had in World Football,he used to wheel and deal to get opponents to come to T&T.
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And look where that got us. Nowhere. After 2006 I dont think we got any significant teams to play. Only at set of Caribbean country. We get more friendlies vs better opposition since he left fact. We now seeing how much shit we is.
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You all can beat around the bush on this topic but we can't get away from the fact that we used to get opponents to play because of the position and weight JW had in World Football,he used to wheel and deal to get opponents to come to T&T.
Like who? Other than England and South Africa, which other big sides he bring down? Actually we got better games when we went abroad.
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And look where that got us. Nowhere
U looking at where it got us but i would say fans in T&T was able to see a lot of good teams/players perform in our country,weather it got us somewhere or not is a matter of ones opinion.
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You all can beat around the bush on this topic but we can't get away from the fact that we used to get opponents to play because of the position and weight JW had in World Football,he used to wheel and deal to get opponents to come to T&T.
Like who? Other than England and South Africa, which other big sides he bring down? Actually we got better games when we went abroad.
Breds wheather it's home or abroad he got the games.
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coops let jack warner stay as far as away possible from our nations football/soccer .....we don't want his wheeling and dealing no more , coops breds this is not about beating around the bush thing , let jack warner stay where he is ... enough already about being influential in getting viable opponents when he was with fifa and all the jazz..... its a new page lets move on from jack warner....
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Aye, Tiny Tim, you clueless f@#k, let me give you an idea. Fire this numbskull and hire Fenwick as your technical director and let us move on with the program and while you are at it, get rid of Watson and the tag team you have coaching the national team. Charles may have needed some help but not "the chin".
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coops let jack warner stay as far as away possible from our nations football/soccer .....we don't want his wheeling and dealing no more , coops breds this is not about beating around the bush thing , let jack warner stay where he is ... enough already about being influential in getting viable opponents when he was with fifa and all the jazz..... its a new page lets move on from jack warner....
:beermug:
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Aye, Tiny Tim, you clueless f@#k, let me give you an idea. Fire this numbskull and hire Fenwick as your technical director and let us move on with the program and while you are at it, get rid of Watson and the tag team you have coaching the national team. Charles may have needed some help but not "the chin".
Wonder how Central would feel about this?
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Not surprised ! No value to anyone to play our team! Supports the point that we have a lot of image building to do!
Absolutely!
Too many observers ignore this, and focus on rebuilding on the field, without considering that re-branding of the federation, of the product, of professionalism, of personnel, of the way "things are done" are key components of the way forward.
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coops let jack warner stay as far as away possible from our nations football/soccer .....we don't want his wheeling and dealing no more , coops breds this is not about beating around the bush thing , let jack warner stay where he is ... enough already about being influential in getting viable opponents when he was with fifa and all the jazz..... its a new page lets move on from jack warner....
i think we have already started that process,Tim Kee is in the drivers seat lets give him a chance he will get the job done,new page enjoy the games.
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You all can beat around the bush on this topic but we can't get away from the fact that we used to get opponents to play because of the position and weight JW had in World Football,he used to wheel and deal to get opponents to come to T&T.
Like who? Other than England and South Africa, which other big sides he bring down? Actually we got better games when we went abroad.
True, the stronger JW became in international football the less impact entrepreuners were given in the game and JW would shamelessly criticize them. But who in their right mind wanted to get in bed with Warner. Look at the TTFF or pardon me TTFA and the mess they are presently in.
When Arthur Suite was allowed to promote football, in 24 months, I saw Flemeco (World Club Champs) Paulista Corinthinans, Sweden, Arsenal FC, Gothenburgh (Swedish club champs), India, Tottenham Hotspurs and a few others IN 24 MONTHS!!!!
Now compare that to any five year period over the last two decades.
If JW family wasn't involved - FOKK TT!!!
VB
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You all can beat around the bush on this topic but we can't get away from the fact that we used to get opponents to play because of the position and weight JW had in World Football,he used to wheel and deal to get opponents to come to T&T.
Like who? Other than England and South Africa, which other big sides he bring down? Actually we got better games when we went abroad.
True, the stronger JW became in international football the less impact entrepreuners were given in the game and JW would shamelessly criticize them. But who in their right mind wanted to get in bed with Warner. Look at the TTFF or pardon me TTFA and the mess they are presently in.
When Arthur Suite was allowed to promote football, in 24 months, I saw Flemeco (World Club Champs) Paulista Corinthinans, Sweden, Arsenal FC, Gothenburgh (Swedish club champs), India, Tottenham Hotspurs and a few others IN 24 MONTHS!!!!
Now compare that to any five year period over the last two decades.
If JW family wasn't involved - FOKK TT!!!
VB
You said "when Arthur Suite was allowed to promote Football" i'm now wondering who allowed him too?i don't think it was JW.Who did these teams play against was it ASL,T&T etc etc?who made money from those games?did our Football benefit from it?
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You all can beat around the bush on this topic but we can't get away from the fact that we used to get opponents to play because of the position and weight JW had in World Football,he used to wheel and deal to get opponents to come to T&T.
Like who? Other than England and South Africa, which other big sides he bring down? Actually we got better games when we went abroad.
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Coop don't make me laugh!!
the last time jack organized a good game for T&T was when england was touting his votes in 2008, after that we didn't have a decent friendly until we went to chile just before the hex where we set up a camp there for two weeks under maturana, we played boca juniors C team and the 2nd string chilian local based team.
after that we played teams like guyana, haiti, el salvador, jamaica in the office, st kitts, antigua, guyana ah couple more times, jamaica @ the marvin lee, dominican rep, and belize.
after jack was ousted we played india, and then finland and canada, then timkee took over and we played about five friendlies in succession, each on a FIFA calender date,
peru twice, belize and the two eropean teams romania and estonia , which in fact was our best friendlies in the space of five yrs, the last being the mamaguye game with england.
coop ah losing plenty respect for you meh bredder!!
it baffles me that you could say these things with ah straight face and a clean heart, bc jack warner IMO was the worst thing that ever happened to T&T football, and that is clear as ah bright summer sky, and if i was a gambling man i would put good money on the fact that jack warner never cared about football period, especially in T&T! but used football as a means to an end.
come on coop :shameonyou:
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You all can beat around the bush on this topic but we can't get away from the fact that we used to get opponents to play because of the position and weight JW had in World Football,he used to wheel and deal to get opponents to come to T&T.
Like who? Other than England and South Africa, which other big sides he bring down? Actually we got better games when we went abroad.
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Coop don't make me laugh!!
the last time jack organized a good game for T&T was when england was touting his votes in 2008, after that we didn't have a decent friendly until we went to chile just before the hex where we set up a camp there for two weeks under maturana, we played boca juniors C team and the 2nd string chilian local based team.
after that we played teams like guyana, haiti, el salvador, jamaica in the office, st kitts, antigua, guyana ah couple more times, jamaica @ the marvin lee, dominican rep, and belize.
after jack was ousted we played india, and then finland and canada, then timkee took over and we played about five friendlies in succession, each on a FIFA calender date,
peru twice, belize and the two eropean teams romania and estonia , which in fact was our best friendlies in the space of five yrs, the last being the mamaguye game with england.
coop ah losing plenty respect for you meh bredder!!
it baffles me that you could say these things with ah straight face and a clean heart, bc jack warner IMO was the worst thing that ever happened to T&T football, and that is clear as ah bright summer sky, and if i was a gambling man i would put good money on the fact that jack warner never cared about football period, especially in T&T! but used football as a means to an end.
come on coop :shameonyou:
Thank you I feel coops going mad. JW is gone time to move on.
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You all can beat around the bush on this topic but we can't get away from the fact that we used to get opponents to play because of the position and weight JW had in World Football,he used to wheel and deal to get opponents to come to T&T.
Like who? Other than England and South Africa, which other big sides he bring down? Actually we got better games when we went abroad.
True, the stronger JW became in international football the less impact entrepreuners were given in the game and JW would shamelessly criticize them. But who in their right mind wanted to get in bed with Warner. Look at the TTFF or pardon me TTFA and the mess they are presently in.
When Arthur Suite was allowed to promote football, in 24 months, I saw Flemeco (World Club Champs) Paulista Corinthinans, Sweden, Arsenal FC, Gothenburgh (Swedish club champs), India, Tottenham Hotspurs and a few others IN 24 MONTHS!!!!
Now compare that to any five year period over the last two decades.
If JW family wasn't involved - FOKK TT!!!
VB
You said "when Arthur Suite was allowed to promote Football" i'm now wondering who allowed him too?i don't think it was JW.Who did these teams play against was it ASL,T&T etc etc?who made money from those games?did our Football benefit from it?
Totteham, Sweden and India played against TT.
I don't need to tell you where money went, you should aready know that. What I can tell yo is that the Warner family didn't overbenefit.
I can tell you that at a grassroots level there was a stimulated interest in football.
More importantly the ASL players became our heroes.
Men weren't talking Mariner, Woodcock or Souness, they were now talking about Ron La, Spann, Granville, Brian Williams and Lobo.
Fifteen thousand at a game was a considered a poor turnout.
You need the difference between then and now further explained to you?
You eh serious.
VB
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You all can beat around the bush on this topic but we can't get away from the fact that we used to get opponents to play because of the position and weight JW had in World Football,he used to wheel and deal to get opponents to come to T&T.
Like who? Other than England and South Africa, which other big sides he bring down? Actually we got better games when we went abroad.
True, the stronger JW became in international football the less impact entrepreuners were given in the game and JW would shamelessly criticize them. But who in their right mind wanted to get in bed with Warner. Look at the TTFF or pardon me TTFA and the mess they are presently in.
When Arthur Suite was allowed to promote football, in 24 months, I saw Flemeco (World Club Champs) Paulista Corinthinans, Sweden, Arsenal FC, Gothenburgh (Swedish club champs), India, Tottenham Hotspurs and a few others IN 24 MONTHS!!!!
Now compare that to any five year period over the last two decades.
If JW family wasn't involved - FOKK TT!!!
VB
You said "when Arthur Suite was allowed to promote Football" i'm now wondering who allowed him too?i don't think it was JW.Who did these teams play against was it ASL,T&T etc etc?who made money from those games?did our Football benefit from it?
Totteham, Sweden and India played against TT.
I don't need to tell you where money went, you should aready know that. What I can tell yo is that the Warner family didn't overbenefit.
I can tell you that at a grassroots level there was a stimulated interest in football.
More importantly the ASL players became our heroes.
Men weren't talking Mariner, Woodcock or Souness, they were now talking about Ron La, Spann, Granville, Brian Williams and Lobo.
Fifteen thousand at a game was a considered a poor turnout.
You need the difference between then and now further explained to you?
You eh serious.
VB
Breds, listen i'm just trying to create conversation with u,there is nothing in the Then u talking about that i don't know,i used to coach ECM in the Arthur Suite league we were ASL main rivals,may be what u don't realize is that i can go further back than the Then u talking about,that was my time and it have games that were played that i don't see mentioned here.
I does come on here and try to create conversation with u guys just to hear your ideas and views and men like they does want to fight,u don't have to dislike or hate someone for something they say or do,we have to learn to simply ignore what ever is being said,i ask or say the things i know will get a reaction,once u mention JW the forum lights up so i do have a field day.
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Enjoy your field day Coops. :)
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Even before Arthur Suite and Jack, foreign teams, mainly English would visit TT. I remember listening to Coventry/TT in the late 60s. I heard some other Brizilian teams visted in the 60s. I was to young then. I Saw Chelsea, Southhampton, Nautico, St.Mirren, Hull city. Chelsea, Southhampton and especially Nautico were over 15,000. St.Mirren and Hull were about 10,000. - 12,000. In them days TTFA, QPO and sponsors would share the money. I don't know or think the players got anything(bun and sweet drinks probably). Maybe they use to get money under the table. I don't know. But I doubt it.
After, I left in 77, Jack took over and things went north, south, uphill, downhill. I also remembered quite distinctly going to the Oval for Olimpic(not WC) qualifying games angainst Suriname and B'dos with crowds over 10,000. One of those was close to 15000. So tell Jack Warner he has no monopoly on bringing big sides to TT. That was a normal thing before he took over. He just hijack(no pun intended) the systems and screwed it up.
Also don't forget the Santos 1972 fiasco.
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hard truth is that our product on the field is shit! unless you looking to boost morale of your team (by advantaging ah small side) there is no real reason for any 'better' team to play us. we are no longer kings of the caribbean.
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Correck is right...but cornealius saying benhakker ain't right for us. We hadda start winning games to again become marketable...no shade ah grey there...Trinidad football administration is like de blind leading de blind
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hard truth is that our product on the field is shit! unless you looking to boost morale of your team (by advantaging ah small side) there is no real reason for any 'better' team to play us. we are no longer kings of the caribbean.
I don't want to characterize our play in such hash terms. Our players have no confidence when they play for the national team. There is no chemistry among the players. 5 days to to coach and mole a team for international duty is not enough. The Euro season is done. The national team should be back home training and looking for practice game. Seeing that no one wants to play us, ask Ven, Col,Ecuador. Their B team would be good at this time for us. Better than nothing. We can even ask the Brazil and Aegentina to send their B squad. They will be more than a handful for our current team.
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Deeks,i don't know if my understanding is wrong,for any leagues,games,tournaments Snr/Youth at any level to play in any country isn't it supposed to be sanctioned by the governing body for Football?i know in the US all Football is sanctioned by the USSF,they set the rules and everything.
The reason is this,anything to do with Football their are fees etc etc to be paid to the governing authority,that's how finance is generated.
What i'm trying to say is all these games T&T or clubs play the TTFF and FIFA gets a piece of the pie.
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You all can beat around the bush on this topic but we can't get away from the fact that we used to get opponents to play because of the position and weight JW had in World Football,he used to wheel and deal to get opponents to come to T&T.
Like who? Other than England and South Africa, which other big sides he bring down? Actually we got better games when we went abroad.
True, the stronger JW became in international football the less impact entrepreuners were given in the game and JW would shamelessly criticize them. But who in their right mind wanted to get in bed with Warner. Look at the TTFF or pardon me TTFA and the mess they are presently in.
When Arthur Suite was allowed to promote football, in 24 months, I saw Flemeco (World Club Champs) Paulista Corinthinans, Sweden, Arsenal FC, Gothenburgh (Swedish club champs), India, Tottenham Hotspurs and a few others IN 24 MONTHS!!!!
Now compare that to any five year period over the last two decades.
If JW family wasn't involved - FOKK TT!!!
VB
You said "when Arthur Suite was allowed to promote Football" i'm now wondering who allowed him too?i don't think it was JW.Who did these teams play against was it ASL,T&T etc etc?who made money from those games?did our Football benefit from it?
Totteham, Sweden and India played against TT.
I don't need to tell you where money went, you should aready know that. What I can tell yo is that the Warner family didn't overbenefit.
I can tell you that at a grassroots level there was a stimulated interest in football.
More importantly the ASL players became our heroes.
Men weren't talking Mariner, Woodcock or Souness, they were now talking about Ron La, Spann, Granville, Brian Williams and Lobo.
Fifteen thousand at a game was a considered a poor turnout.
You need the difference between then and now further explained to you?
You eh serious.
VB
Breds, listen i'm just trying to create conversation with u,there is nothing in the Then u talking about that i don't know,i used to coach ECM in the Arthur Suite league we were ASL main rivals,may be what u don't realize is that i can go further back than the Then u talking about,that was my time and it have games that were played that i don't see mentioned here.
I does come on here and try to create conversation with u guys just to hear your ideas and views and men like they does want to fight,u don't have to dislike or hate someone for something they say or do,we have to learn to simply ignore what ever is being said,i ask or say the things i know will get a reaction,once u mention JW the forum lights up so i do have a field day.
Ok, Coops is only trying to keep the forum bubbling so don't take his bringing up of JW's name too serious. :devil:
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The situation with foreign clubs is fairly straightforward: if you want them to come, you have to pay for them.
Big clubs will want more than T&T can guarantee i.e. live TV coverage, opportunities to sell replica jerseys etc. They will also look at the size of the market, and 1.3 million just isn't big enough. USA, Far East etc are more profitable.
For smaller clubs, all they want is a free pre season trip. But that will still cost TT$350k to arrange. The usual people to organise this would be an agent of some kind. But he will want to make some money, which is fair enough. But how? I doubt if you would get more than 1,500 people to a game and you will get some sponsorship. You may be able to cover costs, but I doubt if the agent will make much profit, so again, why would he bother with T&T?
The TTFA, TDC and Ministry of Sport have no funds, so the only way is for a club to do this. That means they have to take the financial gamble and the only possible reward is increased brand awareness, possible player sales and maybe, a little bit of cash. Again, they would think, why bother going to all of that trouble?
But if we are to raise the profile of the Pro League and T&T football, somebody has to take the gamble. It may not reap rewards the first time, but it paves the way to bigger teams in the future. When you set out on a journey into the unknown, the first step is the hardest, but if nobody is brave enough, we'll end up going nowhere.
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The situation with foreign clubs is fairly straightforward: if you want them to come, you have to pay for them.
Big clubs will want more than T&T can guarantee i.e. live TV coverage, opportunities to sell replica jerseys etc. They will also look at the size of the market, and 1.3 million just isn't big enough. USA, Far East etc are more profitable.
For smaller clubs, all they want is a free pre season trip. But that will still cost TT$350k to arrange. The usual people to organise this would be an agent of some kind. But he will want to make some money, which is fair enough. But how? I doubt if you would get more than 1,500 people to a game and you will get some sponsorship. You may be able to cover costs, but I doubt if the agent will make much profit, so again, why would he bother with T&T?
The TTFA, TDC and Ministry of Sport have no funds, so the only way is for a club to do this. That means they have to take the financial gamble and the only possible reward is increased brand awareness, possible player sales and maybe, a little bit of cash. Again, they would think, why bother going to all of that trouble?
But if we are to raise the profile of the Pro League and T&T football, somebody has to take the gamble. It may not reap rewards the first time, but it paves the way to bigger teams in the future. When you set out on a journey into the unknown, the first step is the hardest, but if nobody is brave enough, we'll end up going nowhere.
Beg to differ, countries like Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand do it on a regular basis.
J'ca and the DR Congo also do it just to name a few.
VB
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You all can beat around the bush on this topic but we can't get away from the fact that we used to get opponents to play because of the position and weight JW had in World Football,he used to wheel and deal to get opponents to come to T&T.
Coop's....good to see yuh padnah. Hope all is well with you and yours.
Wit respeck to dis post, I suspect your're right to a point. Jack Warner used his position and influence to get T&T games. But I wouldn't be surprised if those games came attached with a hefty price tag....the majority of which never made its way to TTFF coffers.
I've been informed of numerous instances where T&T went idle during international breaks....not because we couldn't get opponents to play us...but because we couldn't get opponents to PAY us...even though they would have foot the cost of airfare, accomodation, ground transportation, and meals. The "appearance fee" was often times too much and other federations....who always looking for practice matches....simply didn't want to give in to the "robbery"
Perhaps we have a situation now where we actually have to arrange practice matches on our own. From what I understand there are numerous brokers out there who's job it is to arrange these matches. But you have to be organised. You have to be documentation etc in order. And it would help if you have a competitive team.
Yuh ever wonder how T&T end up in Estonia and Romania to play games? Where that $$$ comin from? TTFF cyah even pay the players and coaches but they goin Europe? Likely is Estonia and Romania Federations that foot most of the bills and choose T&T because they NEED the practice....and T&T available. National teams not like club sides that playing every week. They get together quite rarely by comparison so some of them DESPERATE for matches.
That should tell yuh just how much matches we SHOULD HAVE BEEN GETTING back in the day...when the team had a name...with name players etc. Is not that T&T football was the major beneficiary of the Soca Warriors, Strike Squad success and Jack derive a little spin off benefit from that. In fact...it was quite the opposite with emphasis on the "LITTLE" spin off for both teams.
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The situation with foreign clubs is fairly straightforward: if you want them to come, you have to pay for them.
Big clubs will want more than T&T can guarantee i.e. live TV coverage, opportunities to sell replica jerseys etc. They will also look at the size of the market, and 1.3 million just isn't big enough. USA, Far East etc are more profitable.
For smaller clubs, all they want is a free pre season trip. But that will still cost TT$350k to arrange. The usual people to organise this would be an agent of some kind. But he will want to make some money, which is fair enough. But how? I doubt if you would get more than 1,500 people to a game and you will get some sponsorship. You may be able to cover costs, but I doubt if the agent will make much profit, so again, why would he bother with T&T?
The TTFA, TDC and Ministry of Sport have no funds, so the only way is for a club to do this. That means they have to take the financial gamble and the only possible reward is increased brand awareness, possible player sales and maybe, a little bit of cash. Again, they would think, why bother going to all of that trouble?
But if we are to raise the profile of the Pro League and T&T football, somebody has to take the gamble. It may not reap rewards the first time, but it paves the way to bigger teams in the future. When you set out on a journey into the unknown, the first step is the hardest, but if nobody is brave enough, we'll end up going nowhere.
Beg to differ, countries like Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand do it on a regular basis.
J'ca and the DR Congo also do it just to name a few.
VB
VB, I didn't say that nobody in the world does this, I simply explained the financial factors. You've given no examples of the clubs and how the trips were financed to Jamaica and DRC. (But I would imagine both nations would have more fans at a game than T&T) However, as I clearly stated, USA, Far East etc are more profitable.
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Again thanks Palos and FS through my stupid posts/questions for explaining to the forum the dynamics of promoting games,in other words it's not as simple as it seems,u don't just say i want to play a team and they will play u,there are a lot of different scenarios that takes place before someone plays u.
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Has anyone ever noticed after our national team arrives home from playing any sort of friendly or friendlies , there are hadly any updates as to the team's preparations /activities/ currently as should be the case to keep the fans abreast of any news surrounding national team?? how do they expect the fans to be passionate about our national football teams?? its crying shame . imagine since their ( the national team's ) return to local soil . its anyone's guess as to what sort of active preparation is taking place, come on hutson charles and company shed some frigging light ..... how are preparations going we want to know !!! why not play some games against a combined local pro league team / or an allstar tobago outfit in order work on the teams chemistry instead of keeping the team idle ..... just some food for thought.... oh jeeez its getting to crunch time , with just about a month left before the gold cup kicks off what really going ??
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Has anyone ever noticed after our national team arrives home from playing any sort of friendly or friendlies , there are hadly any updates as to the team's preparations /activities/ currently as should be the case to keep the fans abreast of any news surrounding national team?? how do they expect the fans to be passionate about our national football teams?? its crying shame . imagine since their ( the national team's ) return to local soil . its anyone's guess as to what sort of active preparation is taking place, come on hutson charles and company shed some frigging light ..... how are preparations going we want to know !!! why not play some games against a combined local pro league team / or an allstar tobago outfit in order work on the teams chemistry instead of keeping the team idle ..... just some food for thought.... oh jeeez its getting to crunch time , with just about a month left before the gold cup kicks off what really going ??
It hard for fans to be passionate about local football when they turn on dey TV and see Spain U21 playin de kinda ball that they do.
It not fair to the players and it not fair to de fans, but it is what it is.
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Palos i hear yuh ....!!
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I saw Marvin Phillip yesterday. I believe the squad trained at Ato Boldon today.
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Aye, Tiny Tim, you clueless f@#k, let me give you an idea. Fire this numbskull and hire Fenwick as your technical director and let us move on with the program and while you are at it, get rid of Watson and the tag team you have coaching the national team. Charles may have needed some help but not "the chin".
Wonder how Central would feel about this?
They would have to live without him.
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Aye, Tiny Tim, you clueless f@#k, let me give you an idea. Fire this numbskull and hire Fenwick as your technical director and let us move on with the program and while you are at it, get rid of Watson and the tag team you have coaching the national team. Charles may have needed some help but not "the chin".
Wonder how Central would feel about this?
They would have to live without him.
With the compensation, Central can get Don Leo for a month. Apparently that's all he needs to create a winning team. Then we can relax while we win the league and all of the cups. :devil:
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Tahiti playing Nigeria next week. ;D
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Tough to find opponents? I am not buying that. Tell me how come Haiti could find quality opponents? What is their economy like? Do they have the infrastructure to have a pro league? Do they have the depth of foreign based players? So what then is the distinguishing quality that sets them apart from us?
Tough to find opponents? Call upon Venezuela, for that matter stat at ground zero to build we confidence call India, politically this should get support and draw a crowd!!!! Call Bermuda, Turks and Cacios, Samoa, Bangladesh, Vietnam, call Ethiopia, call call call yuh go find opponents. Get off yuh frigging arses and develop a plan . Take on some countries to buss licks on bud team confidence then challenge the mighty Guyana and buss they arse for the embarrassment they put on we then call Brazil.
Yeah it eh that we cyst find opponents is that the ones we want to dance with eh have the inclination to do so. When yuh at the bottom of the barrel yuh have to find those lower than you. Next put all them jackasses who eh want to play fib we on ah team and play them play ah pro league team play out women's national team just play someone yuh think we could score on. Yuh eh see we could find opponents Have some fun with this while you are with it TTFA
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There are a host of problems leading to the reason why the ttfa cannot find a good game and one of them could be that for the most part the better teams would rather play someone as good as them or better than them. Playing against the TT national team or even beating them is a false positive. It's not an adequate measure of where you are in your game plan going forward. It's ironic that the statement was made by the technical deductor of football. This is an individual that has been in the position for a while now, yet, he has not conducted any press conferences to lay out a development structure and template for football development in this country. This is a very crucial role as we continue to strive towards improving the technical ability and knowledge of our players and coaches at every level both now and in the future. Any federation needs someone who is responsible for the strategic direction in terms of technical matters and Trinidad and Tobago is no different. He also has to be diplomatic to work with those clubs who may not agree with his development plans.
Then and only then when a development structure and technical strategy is established and implemented, sponsors jump on board, and the national programme, both at the elite and grassroots levels, are addressed, examined and adjusted, the level of professionalism and knowledge of the game is widely addressed and emphasized, will the ttfa find quality opponents to play.
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You all can beat around the bush on this topic but we can't get away from the fact that we used to get opponents to play because of the position and weight JW had in World Football,he used to wheel and deal to get opponents to come to T&T.
Like who? Other than England and South Africa, which other big sides he bring down? Actually we got better games when we went abroad.
True, the stronger JW became in international football the less impact entrepreuners were given in the game and JW would shamelessly criticize them. But who in their right mind wanted to get in bed with Warner. Look at the TTFF or pardon me TTFA and the mess they are presently in.
When Arthur Suite was allowed to promote football, in 24 months, I saw Flemeco (World Club Champs) Paulista Corinthinans, Sweden, Arsenal FC, Gothenburgh (Swedish club champs), India, Tottenham Hotspurs and a few others IN 24 MONTHS!!!!
Now compare that to any five year period over the last two decades.
If JW family wasn't involved - FOKK TT!!!
VB
You said "when Arthur Suite was allowed to promote Football" i'm now wondering who allowed him too?i don't think it was JW.Who did these teams play against was it ASL,T&T etc etc?who made money from those games?did our Football benefit from it?
Totteham, Sweden and India played against TT.
I don't need to tell you where money went, you should aready know that. What I can tell yo is that the Warner family didn't overbenefit.
I can tell you that at a grassroots level there was a stimulated interest in football.
More importantly the ASL players became our heroes.
Men weren't talking Mariner, Woodcock or Souness, they were now talking about Ron La, Spann, Granville, Brian Williams and Lobo.
Fifteen thousand at a game was a considered a poor turnout.
You need the difference between then and now further explained to you?
You eh serious.
VB
Breds, listen i'm just trying to create conversation with u,there is nothing in the Then u talking about that i don't know,i used to coach ECM in the Arthur Suite league we were ASL main rivals,may be what u don't realize is that i can go further back than the Then u talking about,that was my time and it have games that were played that i don't see mentioned here.
I does come on here and try to create conversation with u guys just to hear your ideas and views and men like they does want to fight,u don't have to dislike or hate someone for something they say or do,we have to learn to simply ignore what ever is being said,i ask or say the things i know will get a reaction,once u mention JW the forum lights up so i do have a field day.
Well Coops I used to worry about your state of mental health but now I think I can say I get where yuh coming from. Mightn't always agree with it but ah get it. :beermug:
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I hope now we may be in line for more friendly games after our performance at the 2013 Gold Cup.
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We ha that saudi tournament
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We ha that saudi tournament
We could do with some games now, while we fresh from the GC tournament. Use the local guys. Keep them match fit and ready.
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Tough to find opponents? I am not buying that. Tell me how come Haiti could find quality opponents? What is their economy like? Do they have the infrastructure to have a pro league? Do they have the depth of foreign based players? So what then is the distinguishing quality that sets them apart from us?
Tough to find opponents? Call upon Venezuela, for that matter stat at ground zero to build we confidence call India, politically this should get support and draw a crowd!!!! Call Bermuda, Turks and Cacios, Samoa, Bangladesh, Vietnam, call Ethiopia, call call call yuh go find opponents. Get off yuh frigging arses and develop a plan . Take on some countries to buss licks on bud team confidence then challenge the mighty Guyana and buss they arse for the embarrassment they put on we then call Brazil.
Yeah it eh that we cyst find opponents is that the ones we want to dance with eh have the inclination to do so. When yuh at the bottom of the barrel yuh have to find those lower than you. Next put all them jackasses who eh want to play for we on ah team and play them play ah pro league team play out women's national team just play someone yuh think we could score on. Yuh eh see we could find opponents Have some fun with this while you are with it TTFA
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coops let jack warner stay as far as away possible from our nations football/soccer .....we don't want his wheeling and dealing no more , coops breds this is not about beating around the bush thing , let jack warner stay where he is ... enough already about being influential in getting viable opponents when he was with fifa and all the jazz..... its a new page lets move on from jack warner....
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You all can beat around the bush on this topic but we can't get away from the fact that we used to get opponents to play because of the position and weight JW had in World Football,he used to wheel and deal to get opponents to come to T&T.
Like who? Other than England and South Africa, which other big sides he bring down? Actually we got better games when we went abroad.
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Coop don't make me laugh!!
the last time jack organized a good game for T&T was when england was touting his votes in 2008, after that we didn't have a decent friendly until we went to chile just before the hex where we set up a camp there for two weeks under maturana, we played boca juniors C team and the 2nd string chilian local based team.
after that we played teams like guyana, haiti, el salvador, jamaica in the office, st kitts, antigua, guyana ah couple more times, jamaica @ the marvin lee, dominican rep, and belize.
after jack was ousted we played india, and then finland and canada, then timkee took over and we played about five friendlies in succession, each on a FIFA calender date,
peru twice, belize and the two eropean teams romania and estonia , which in fact was our best friendlies in the space of five yrs, the last being the mamaguye game with england.
coop ah losing plenty respect for you meh bredder!!
it baffles me that you could say these things with ah straight face and a clean heart, bc jack warner IMO was the worst thing that ever happened to T&T football, and that is clear as ah bright summer sky, and if i was a gambling man i would put good money on the fact that jack warner never cared about football period, especially in T&T! but used football as a means to an end.
come on coop :shameonyou:
True talk. :beermug:
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Jack Warner..de worst thing to happen to Trinidad Football..everything he did was for his benefit.