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Title: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: calderon on June 17, 2013, 07:55:14 PM
BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.

Stephen Hart will lead T&T to the Gold Cup. Anton Corneal continue to bad talk his local coaches. Anton Corneal is a DOGGGG......... What has Stephen achieved as a coach at International level in Canada where it has so many resources??? That is a total disrespect to all the local coaches!!!!
Mr Timkee and Sheldon Phillips is bringing back Lincoln Phillips. This is from good sources. So Leo Beenhakker will be getting US $75 000,00 per month. Hart is coming at a cost and yet the local coaches have not been paid since last year. They have families too. Come on Mr Timkee and Sheldon be real. That was the same staff who, without any resources, fight many battles to get the team to the Gold Cup. T&T I am seeing all the coaches are coming from North America. SHAME ON YOU AND TIMKEE!!!!!

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Post by: weary1969 on June 17, 2013, 08:00:44 PM
So d Don is what Consultant?
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Post by: calderon on June 17, 2013, 08:12:36 PM
Yes he is.
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Post by: D.H.W on June 17, 2013, 08:19:08 PM
Oh gosh I fedup with the local coach shit. Give it a rest. Where is this news coming from? Confirmation?

Also another new member or a new account created by a present member to bad talk people. ?

Sorry Calderon if you are indeed new. Too many fake accounts in this forum. Im way suspicious lately
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Post by: pecan on June 17, 2013, 08:21:53 PM
Welcome to the forum Calderon.

First post full of vim and vigor.

You local or foreign?
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Post by: pecan on June 17, 2013, 08:26:37 PM
Oh gosh I fedup with the local coach shit. Give it a rest. Where is this news coming from? Confirmation?

Also another new member or a new account created by a present member to bad talk people. ?

Sorry Calderon if you are indeed new. Too many fake accounts in this forum. Im way suspicious lately


yep

wondering what his alias is ...
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Post by: Controversial on June 17, 2013, 08:33:24 PM
i will have to ask steve myself about this, nowhere was this reported
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Post by: soccerman on June 17, 2013, 08:38:50 PM
Mr Timkee and Sheldon Phillips is bringing back Lincoln Phillips. This is from good sources. So Leo Beenhakker will be getting US $75 000,00 per month. Hart is coming at a cost and yet the local coaches have not been paid since last year. They have families too. Come on Mr Timkee and Sheldon be real. That was the same staff who, without any resources, fight many battles to get the team to the Gold Cup. T&T I am seeing all the coaches are coming from North America. SHAME ON YOU AND TIMKEE!!!!!

Talk nah man...yuh hadda fill we in
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Post by: davidephraim on June 17, 2013, 08:46:05 PM
Oh gosh I fedup with the local coach shit. Give it a rest. Where is this news coming from? Confirmation?

Also another new member or a new account created by a present member to bad talk people. ?

Sorry Calderon if you are indeed new. Too many fake accounts in this forum. Im way suspicious lately

so de 2006 players were dealt a blow of injustice but Shaba and Baba weren't? Or do you pick and choose your injustice based on who yuh like and doh like and who is yuh fren and who aint?
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Post by: asylumseeker on June 17, 2013, 08:48:41 PM
Oh gosh I fedup with the local coach shit. Give it a rest. Where is this news coming from? Confirmation?

Also another new member or a new account created by a present member to bad talk people. ?

Sorry Calderon if you are indeed new. Too many fake accounts in this forum. Im way suspicious lately


Of course, he's a regular ... or dare I say, former regular.
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Post by: D.H.W on June 17, 2013, 08:57:39 PM
Oh gosh I fedup with the local coach shit. Give it a rest. Where is this news coming from? Confirmation?

Also another new member or a new account created by a present member to bad talk people. ?

Sorry Calderon if you are indeed new. Too many fake accounts in this forum. Im way suspicious lately


Of course, he's a regular ... or dare I say, former regular.

Hmmmm
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Post by: calderon on June 17, 2013, 08:58:57 PM
Trust me  D.H.W. This story is real.
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Post by: Banter Banton on June 17, 2013, 10:03:49 PM
I call bullshit.. for now

Stephen Hart is a good coach though.. worthy of the national job.. experienced and has done well with Canada

I wouldnt mind the possibility of him on board with Leo with the possibility of taking over when Leo steps upstairs into the Director of Football role

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Post by: coache on June 17, 2013, 10:14:47 PM
The man is a south man, a Benedict's man, a Juniors man, SanFernando Strikers, the man is family to Steve Khan and dem...despite all ah dat I doubt he's de man fuh de job..
Hutson Charles should have been left alone..by himself with his team.
1pt in de Gold cup.
Go Haiti..dem Haitians will do it.
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Post by: Banter Banton on June 17, 2013, 10:23:57 PM
coache..Charles is no head coach.. nice guy but no way in hell can he lead a T&T senior team upwards.. he lacks alot of skills needed to be a Gaffer.. lacking man management skills, assertiveness, charisma, tactical know how and modern methods

Too big of a task.. he is a coachman.. assistant type

always will be thankful of what he has done in the most testing times but this game have no sympathy

BIG MAN BUSINESS

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Post by: Quags on June 18, 2013, 12:36:53 AM
Stephen Hart will lead T&T to the Gold Cup. Anton Corneal continue to bad talk his local coaches. Anton Corneal is a DOGGGG......... What has Stephen achieved as a coach at International level in Canada where it has so many resources??? That is a total disrespect to all the local coaches!!!!
Mr Timkee and Sheldon Phillips is bringing back Lincoln Phillips. This is from good sources. So Leo Beenhakker will be getting US $75 000,00 per month. Hart is coming at a cost and yet the local coaches have not been paid since last year. They have families too. Come on Mr Timkee and Sheldon be real. That was the same staff who, without any resources, fight many battles to get the team to the Gold Cup. T&T I am seeing all the coaches are coming from North America. SHAME ON YOU AND TIMKEE!!!!!
This is great news if true .
With regards to your post concerning local coaches ,your most valid point would be ,they got us here ...So wheres the loyalty .......well there rarely ever is .....but the National Teams coaching staff who got us here should be fully back paid with atleast some nice fat bonuses .Come on the guys deserve it .
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Post by: vb on June 18, 2013, 01:34:10 AM
Best of luck SH.

VB
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Post by: davidephraim on June 18, 2013, 02:57:03 AM
Best of luck SH.

VB

Yes, congrats and best of luck SH; even better, you are ah son of de soil!  Like Quags say, TTFF should be respectable and do something for Shaba and  especially Babba, cause he/they did put in work under less than favourable conditions.

 Babba could be retained and get de  olympic team and ah woulda give T Fenwick de under 21 Team (not cause he white, but because he just- right) also we Keep de competition ripe and open, to ascend de throne.

 Results, Results, Results and style of play! Dat is how yuh earn yuh keep, and, go all de way to de top.  Why we need Beenie again?  We still have money left over to bribe one or two countries to play we!  3 coaches; Hart, Fenwick & Babba! Win and get promoted or get demoted.  A firm Three yr contract for all; simultaneous 3yr re-evaluation plan. Every seven months; Promotion, demotion or hold- depending on stats.
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Post by: Rodney on June 18, 2013, 03:47:03 AM
I'm confused. If this is true, SH is a way more experienced coach on the international stage than Charles (and Shabazz) so why would he want Beenhaker around if he was head coach. That is not a productive move by Tim Kee there.

Would it not make more sense if already commited to Beenhaker to have him run things for the GC with Hart as assistant then handover after or wait until the GC done then let Hart start afresh for the build-up to 2018.

Ah feel sorry fuh Charles, what has he done so wrong to deserve such treatment. The man get T&T to qualify for the GC for the first time in 2-3 tournaments by himself and this is his reward? To be continually marginalised! Surely they could have let him do his ting until the GC was over and then reassess. Is not like we had anything to lose, we was already out WC qualification. Bringing in Shabazz (regardless of what he did with Guyana) was a shambolic decision.

Having said that, always was keen to see how SH would do with T&T. I for one would be delighted to see him in charge but in 'Sole Charge'. Nobody else should be interfering.
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Post by: futbolfan on June 18, 2013, 04:31:46 AM
Well well the plot thickens......
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Post by: trini_stallion on June 18, 2013, 05:01:10 AM
I doubt this true. Unless leo eh like charles...cuz tim kee did say it was upto da don to keep him on board. But I cyah see sh taking wuk under leo...plus all da news conference and thing cyah be a fluke
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Post by: Sam on June 18, 2013, 05:56:49 AM
If this is true then I am very happy and I hope its long term.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! good move.

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Post by: lefty on June 18, 2013, 05:57:33 AM
I maintain that the team looked decent under Charles until Shabazz come on board...........is not dat ah jus want to be on Shabazz case......I sure it have video pre and post Shabazz so alyuh could see for allyuh self.....there was a BIG BIG difference.......the team came from being sharpish to awkward and disorganised in no time flat.........Charles get ah raw deal dey, but is he own fault for not being assertive and allow himself to be pushed aside JMO
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Post by: kiffysmooth on June 18, 2013, 06:01:13 AM
Like all yuh forget how we scrape to qualify for d gold cup? We was banking on odder match results and all kind ah ting.... I don't see Charles taking us to d gold cup as any great accomplishment.  We were far superior Dan all dem teams and we had horrible games and didnt look good.. Like all yuh forget d brand we was playing dey! Even Birchall didn't care to pay because he knew it was an easy qualification
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Post by: lefty on June 18, 2013, 06:20:47 AM
Like all yuh forget how we scrape to qualify for d gold cup? We was banking on odder match results and all kind ah ting.... I don't see Charles taking us to d gold cup as any great accomplishment.  We were far superior Dan all dem teams and we had horrible games and didnt look good.. Like all yuh forget d brand we was playing dey! Even Birchall didn't care to pay because he knew it was an easy qualification

nobody forgetting that we scraped just stating what I saw and we looked ok in the early rounds and deteriorated badly thereafter.....will say it again Charles should have protested and then left after d co-coach ting
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Post by: D.H.W on June 18, 2013, 06:26:29 AM
Take bait. I ain't biting yet.
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Post by: pecan on June 18, 2013, 06:29:13 AM
Oh gosh I fedup with the local coach shit. Give it a rest. Where is this news coming from? Confirmation?

Also another new member or a new account created by a present member to bad talk people. ?

Sorry Calderon if you are indeed new. Too many fake accounts in this forum. Im way suspicious lately


Of course, he's a regular ... or dare I say, former regular.

Hmmmm

a ghost back to haunt the forum. to stir things up a bit .. again
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Post by: Rodney on June 18, 2013, 06:54:46 AM
Like all yuh forget how we scrape to qualify for d gold cup? We was banking on odder match results and all kind ah ting.... I don't see Charles taking us to d gold cup as any great accomplishment.  We were far superior Dan all dem teams and we had horrible games and didnt look good.. Like all yuh forget d brand we was playing dey! Even Birchall didn't care to pay because he knew it was an easy qualification

I never commented on standard of performance, but scrape through or not the fact remains, we have failed to qualify twice before and Charles got us there.

You say we are far superior and qualification and performances should have been easier and better; I think you could say the same for the times when we failed to qualify.

He did better than his predecessors yet was not given a chance to show he could improve on that minor success at the most ideal of times, when we had little to lose. If we was still hoping for WC qualification, I could understand the resulting panic and why the co-head coach thing might happen. In our current situation they should have left well alone or sacked him, not all this nonsense.
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Post by: sammy on June 18, 2013, 07:07:21 AM
steups.. all the time man calling for the head coach to be fired....now we supposedly get a new coach and same ppl vex..  :banginghead:
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Post by: D.H.W on June 18, 2013, 07:31:50 AM
steups.. all the time man calling for the head coach to be fired....now we supposedly get a new coach and same ppl vex..  :banginghead:

People don't know what they want. Too much flip flopping. Reality is you can't please everyone.
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Post by: Rodney on June 18, 2013, 07:56:55 AM
I never ask for anyone to be fired. My issue was always this co-head coach ting and the idea that it would improve the level of performance and potentially results. It hasn't on both counts.

I have sympathy for Charles nothing more and that is based only on principle and the current scenario. I personnally think that the TTFA/TTFF whatever they called should decide on one head coach (whoever that is) and move forward from there.
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Post by: lefty on June 18, 2013, 08:09:11 AM
I never ask for anyone to be fired. My issue was always this co-head coach ting and the idea that it would improve the level of performance and potentially results. It hasn't on both counts.

I have sympathy for Charles nothing more and that is based only on principle and the current scenario. I personnally think that the TTFA/TTFF whatever they called should decide on one head coach (whoever that is) and move forward from there.

this..for me
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Post by: weary1969 on June 18, 2013, 08:13:38 AM
After working my sources I have learned that Hart under Leo for the GC. We will see what happens after. As 4 Barber who I luv like hog luv mud since he scoere that equaliser against d US in the 89 campaign and still toating that Gally strt Allen b4 him Nov 19th the players say he clueless.

 So pay the fella tell him thxs and Barber go get some coaching badges.
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Post by: Tenorsaw on June 18, 2013, 08:34:36 AM
I called this last week.  What a visionary I am  :beermug:
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Post by: Insider on June 18, 2013, 08:40:16 AM
Nothing is finalize yet, but its in work.

I love this move.

Sheldon also mention that Shabazz and Charles will be paid.

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Post by: sammy on June 18, 2013, 08:50:25 AM
I called this last week.  What a visionary I am  :beermug:

u right yes..u go ahead and big up yuh self....since nobody noticed or remembered...  :clown:
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Post by: lefty on June 18, 2013, 09:01:14 AM
After working my sources I have learned that Hart under Leo for the GC. We will see what happens after. As 4 Barber who I luv like hog luv mud since he scoere that equaliser against d US in the 89 campaign and still toating that Gally strt Allen b4 him Nov 19th the players say he clueless.

 So pay the fella tell him thxs and Barber go get some coaching badges.

so if he was clueless and d team looked better with him alone, what exactly does that say about Shabazz ??? :-\

anyways I wish d team all d best, 150% behind them regardless
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Post by: Bourbon on June 18, 2013, 09:26:35 AM
Cyar even do the right thing the right way.
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Post by: weary1969 on June 18, 2013, 09:35:40 AM
After working my sources I have learned that Hart under Leo for the GC. We will see what happens after. As 4 Barber who I luv like hog luv mud since he scoere that equaliser against d US in the 89 campaign and still toating that Gally strt Allen b4 him Nov 19th the players say he clueless.

 So pay the fella tell him thxs and Barber go get some coaching badges.

so if he was clueless and d team looked better with him alone, what exactly does that say about Shabazz ??? :-\

anyways I wish d team all d best, 150% behind them regardless

Clueless 2 d nth power. Shabazz it is said doh be around much.
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Post by: sjahrain on June 18, 2013, 10:00:21 AM
Too many chefs overseeing this fish broth...or in the broth... :devil:
If this proves to be fact..Mr Tim is on the ball
I hope Fenwick gets a call also
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Post by: soccerman on June 18, 2013, 10:01:05 AM
So two people with sources confirm this so far....looks like official word will be out soon.
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Post by: coache on June 18, 2013, 10:08:56 AM
I sorry fuh Charles mehself de man have all de leadership in him but don't realize it ..is years of military leadership de man have yuh know..he never asserted himself because he put nation before self..if when he saw Shabbaz coming and stand up and make a public show it would have looked bad ..he was offered co-coach ..I would have stepped aside..
If the administration didn't meddle, the team and the coach would have grown together as one because the bond between players and coach during development is much stronger than when foreign dictators step in the midst...that's why I say 1pt in the Gold Cup...millions  to foreigners and we back to square one.
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Post by: coache on June 18, 2013, 10:16:10 AM
If results are positive under a clueless coach that says a lot for the coach..I had teachers back in my school days who everybody said couldn't teach yet everybody would pass..the reason behind that is that we took responsibility for ourselves...similarly the players were probably getting it together themselves...that is actually the best coaching..
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Post by: Socapro on June 18, 2013, 10:21:14 AM
If this news is true then it is the best news for our football for the year so far.

Don Leo as a consultant or as our new TD will be a bonus if he could also be seriously involved and we can afford him in the long term.  :beermug:
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Post by: lefty on June 18, 2013, 10:37:17 AM
dis development ting you on coache is pure nonsense dem fellas is full men ...way past the development stage, what dem need is someone that can properly design and effectively relay the tactics that they the players must implement, at dis stage is about gettin men to executed their part in d game plan within the skillset they now possess.

dias it nutten else
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Post by: lefty on June 18, 2013, 10:43:26 AM
If results are positive under a clueless coach that says a lot for the coach..I had teachers back in my school days who everybody said couldn't teach yet everybody would pass..the reason behind that is that we took responsibility for ourselves...similarly the players were probably getting it together themselves...that is actually the best coaching..

um...there is a limit to that, at some point they can be in a situation where they can't and the coach needs to do his job and try to remedy that, tactical analysis and adjustment is his responsibility, the players shouldn't have to do that themselves
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Post by: sjahrain on June 18, 2013, 10:44:54 AM
If Tim relieves Anton of his TD status a major coup has taken place and the shadow of Alvins influence would be thankfully be laid to rest,thank you Father

Clean the house of all pretenders
By the its so peaceful here.... :devil: Since JW and his side kick AR have been M I A`S.... :beermug:
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Post by: Tenorsaw on June 18, 2013, 10:46:25 AM
I called this last week.  What a visionary I am  :beermug:

u right yes..u go ahead and big up yuh self....since nobody noticed or remembered...  :clown:

OK, here you go:

OK, so Beenie is older, and there are valid arguments as to whether he is a developmental coach.  Hiring him for the Gold Cup would be a stop gap measure that ultimately does not aid in the longterm advancement of Trinidad's football, but you have to admit that Charles and Shabazz are out of depth in their current roles.  Show me the local candidates who could step in.  Our coaching stock is obsolete, as they refuse to keep up with the progress that football has made, and they refuse to engage in continuous learning.  Only place we could look for a coach is abroad.  Why not Stephen Hart or an American coach?  They're definitely better than what we have at home, and they'd come with good knowledge of how things work in the region.  Just putting it out there.  We need a coach that is willing to take a holistic approach to out football and who is willing to work the the TD to bring talent through the pipeline and implement a structure that will ensure the longterm survival and eventual success of our football.
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Post by: coache on June 18, 2013, 10:56:54 AM
Right..is not jes so big coach could come in and implement tatics one time and team start playin rel football fas,fas, dat's why I say one point in de Gold Cup...
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Post by: lefty on June 18, 2013, 11:02:40 AM
Right..is not jes so big coach could come in and implement tatics one time and team start playin rel football fas,fas, dat's why I say one point in de Gold Cup...

d 2006 didn play real football dey played to a plan that fit dey skillset,  relative to opposition they faced
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Post by: D.H.W on June 18, 2013, 11:03:25 AM
So cornmeal going? Good
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Post by: Rodney on June 18, 2013, 11:20:28 AM
So cornmeal going? Good

I hope so as well.

If this is truely a time of change we need to get a completely different perspective especially at the top. Anton and his Dad had their time with little tangible success, he had his chance....now lets move on.

Please.
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Post by: coache on June 18, 2013, 11:31:45 AM
We want to talk bout 2006 tactics? How did we do in the Gold cup back then with "better" players?
We expect to do better now?
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Post by: lefty on June 18, 2013, 11:54:23 AM
We want to talk bout 2006 tactics? How did we do in the Gold cup back then with "better" players?
We expect to do better now?

and your point is what.........exactly?........and who expecting better all people want is performance that will leave us proud or atleast satisfied our best foot was put forward win lose or draw.........and we were staring down the barrel of a disasterous Gold cup and as FF said it may still be disastrous....... given the timing of the change.
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Post by: FF on June 18, 2013, 12:19:46 PM
We want to talk bout 2006 tactics? How did we do in the Gold cup back then with "better" players?
We expect to do better now?

coache you talking real sh!t... the Gold Cup last time, Beenhakker was in charge 2 months and he use the Cup to see other fringe players such as Rahim, Eve, Scotland and Theobald among others who all were not starters on the WC drive. Theobald get to play in all three World Cup games because of the injury to Whitley.

We end up drawing 2-2 with Panama, 1-1 with Honduras who lets not forget 3 months earlier gave us 5-1 in Tegucigalpa, and lorse to 2 late goals to Colombia. We did not advance but the performances were not bad at all and in retrospect you could have seen the direction that the team was growing and the potential therein. I don't believe any fans left them stadiums feeling shame and I have a sad feeling that is what we was staring at with Shabbaz and sorry to say Charles.

If your concern is it is too late now for any coach to get the players to buy in to the plan and adjust to new tactics, then fine that is also my concern.... but better late than never yes.
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Post by: frico on June 18, 2013, 12:23:20 PM
What is wrong with the TTFA,JUST GIVE THE ENGLISHMAN THE BLOODY JOB,and let pick some locals to help,we couldn't do much better than that.
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Post by: Quags on June 18, 2013, 12:49:40 PM
What is wrong with the TTFA,JUST GIVE THE ENGLISHMAN THE BLOODY JOB,and let pick some locals to help,we couldn't do much better than that.
Fenwick wont be as effective ,as w3hen he ran Jabloteh ,as all his players are gone now.
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Post by: weary1969 on June 18, 2013, 01:35:16 PM
wired 868

TTFA signs up for Hart transplant: Ex-Canada coach Stephen Hart will lead Soca Warriors into 2013 Gold Cup with Leo Beenhakker as director of football… Local coaches still unpaid and unhappy
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Post by: Coop's on June 18, 2013, 02:12:59 PM
I maintain that the team looked decent under Charles until Shabazz come on board...........is not dat ah jus want to be on Shabazz case......I sure it have video pre and post Shabazz so alyuh could see for allyuh self.....there was a BIG BIG difference.......the team came from being sharpish to awkward and disorganised in no time flat.........Charles get ah raw deal dey, but is he own fault for not being assertive and allow himself to be pushed aside JMO
       What u guys don't realize as much as Charles is the Coach of our national team he is also a soldier,is not like he can say yes or no when it comes to national duty,if the national team calls it's his duty to go,pay or no pay he has to go it's his job,players the same thing they can't go to the TTFA and fight for no money etc etc they can't be assertive like the other guys.
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Post by: D.H.W on June 18, 2013, 02:13:13 PM
So the mysterious poster was correct. Hehehe
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Post by: royal on June 18, 2013, 02:28:17 PM
Hart transplant: TTFA hires ex-Canada coach… locals still unpaid.
By Lasana Liburd (wired868.com).


The Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) appears set to announce another new face on its technical staff on the eve of the July 2013 CONCACAF Gold Cup. Wired868 understands that former Canada national football team coach Stephen Hart has accepted a two-year offer from TTFA president Raymond Tim Kee and should be in charge of the “Soca Warriors” in time for next month’s tournament.

Former 2006 World Cup coach Leo Beenhakker is still on the way but his position would be as a director of football. Wired868 tried unsuccessfully to contact Tim Kee and TTFA general secretary Sheldon Phillips for information on the new structure and responsibilities of the technical staff.

But David Muhammad, another new recruit, confirmed that Hart will join the staff.

“My understanding is that a press release should be sent out to give the details,” Muhammad told Wired868. “But, basically, Stephen Hart is head coach and Leo Beenhakker is director of football… Stephen Hart will run the bench and will have the final say on all team matters.

“Beenhakker will be there to lend his knowledge of the game and to offer guidance and advice.”

So, based on present information, Anton Corneal continues as technical director while Beenhakker comes in as director of football with Hart as head coach. New St Ann’s Rangers head coach Gilbert Bateau also joins the squad as a trainer. And, within the support staff, Muhammad is now head of the delegation for the Gold Cup with William Wallace and Peter Rampersad continuing as manager and assistant manager respectively.

And what is the fate of the coaches who booked Trinidad and Tobago’s place at the 2013 Gold Cup?

Co-head coach Hutson “Barber” Charles was formally invited to be interviewed by Beenhakker for an assistant coaching position while his fellow head coach Jamaal Shabazz and assistant Derek King were privately asked to do the same.

Shabazz initially agreed to work under Beenhakker, a former Real Madrid and Netherlands international coach, but refused the offer of an apprenticeship under the less celebrated, Trinidad-born Hart.

“What is the basis of our demotion?” asked Shabazz. “The fact that we have not scored a goal in six matches against opposition that coaches of higher pedigree have struggled to beat? I am getting a whiff of a North American solution to all of Trinidad and Tobago’s football programmes.

“Down the road, I’m predicting that North Americans will be coming in to deal with our women and youth teams too.”

Phillips, who was appointed as general secretary last month, resides in the United States and travels here intermittently to oversee important TTFA matters in person. It is uncertain whether he intends to relocate to Trinidad or if he hopes to conduct the business of local football through phone calls and Skype.

Hart, a former Texaco midfielder, left Trinidad for Canada in the 1980s where he attended St Mary’s University in Halifax, Nova Scotia. He lived there ever since and worked for the Canada football association in various capacities between 2004 and 2012, during which time he lost both competitive meetings with Trinidad and Tobago.

Hart led Canada’s under-17 team twice and its under-20 squad once but failed to qualify for a World Youth Championship. In 2007, the Trinidad and Tobago under-17 team, coached by Anton Corneal and assisted by Charles, defeated Hart’s youth team 2-1 en route to the 2007 World Youth Cup. And, two years later, Zoran Vranes was head coach with Charles as assistant as the young Warriors defeat Hart’s Canada team 1-0 to book a place at the 2009 Under-20 World Cup.

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Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: D.H.W on June 18, 2013, 02:32:22 PM
Awww cornmeal still there .oh well. Looks good. Just pay the people please.

Stueps Shabazz yuh aint score a damn goal against Belize or Estonia who ranked lower than us also. And we looked horrible. I cah believe you asking why yuh get demoted.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: calderon on June 18, 2013, 02:41:21 PM
Breaking News............. Wayne Lawson and Mike Maurice are also back. For what reason? Tell me.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: Flex on June 18, 2013, 02:53:25 PM
Stephen Hart is not the coach, at least not as yet, some stuff to be iron out still, he is excited and ready, but wants to iron out some stuff first.

He knows T&T players very well, more than what Shabazz thinks.

What's funny is, I did a piece about both Fenwick and Stuart Charles and said the same thing after Shabazz came onboard and they did not want to hear that- now all of a sudden Shabazz and company singing they praises.

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: D.H.W on June 18, 2013, 03:01:03 PM
What does the director of football do?
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: palos on June 18, 2013, 03:01:45 PM
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Shabazz accepts that the Ministry of Sport allegedly made a verbal commitment to pay their salaries but countered that it was the football body which employed him. He insisted that the new TTFA leadership would lose credibility if it does not ensure its outgoing staff is paid before unveiling highly compensated replacements.

Ironically, Charles, Shabazz and Charles worked without written contracts as the TTFA said there was no money to offer them long term deals. But, after taking the Warriors to its first Gold Cup in six years, Hart will take the team to the tournament with the security of a two-year contract.

“We kept the only bargaining chip available for football alive, which is the national football team,” said Shabazz. “We rolled up our sleeves and went in the filth and in the mud and worked like slaves. And now we cannot even get the wages of indentured labourers? That is not right.

“I spoke with Sheldon Phillips and he seems very amenable and he has shown an inclination for us to work together to ask the Ministry to cover same. But I will not accept someone coming here and making enough money to feed their dog steak while our families have nothing to eat, especially after I left a contract in Guyana and two month’s salary to come and work hard for my country.”
Shabazz like he gearin up fuh a nex coup attempt
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: Dynamite Warrior on June 18, 2013, 03:03:00 PM
Stephen Hart is not the coach, at least not as yet, some stuff to be iron out still, he is excited and ready, but wants to iron out some stuff first.

He knows T&T players very well, more than what Shabazz thinks.

What's funny is, I did a piece about both Fenwick and Stuart Charles and said the same thing after Shabazz came onboard and they did not want to hear that- now all of the time Shabazz and company singing they praises.



I remember there was a couple of videos with Hart talking about some of our present players and some of the youth players as well, he seemed informed. Overall i think this is a positive appointment i hope he stays for the full two years because when he was with Canada he did well promoting youth development in fact i think he was their U20 coach at one point.
Title: Re: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: D.H.W on June 18, 2013, 03:06:09 PM
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Shabazz accepts that the Ministry of Sport allegedly made a verbal commitment to pay their salaries but countered that it was the football body which employed him. He insisted that the new TTFA leadership would lose credibility if it does not ensure its outgoing staff is paid before unveiling highly compensated replacements.

Ironically, Charles, Shabazz and Charles worked without written contracts as the TTFA said there was no money to offer them long term deals. But, after taking the Warriors to its first Gold Cup in six years, Hart will take the team to the tournament with the security of a two-year contract.

“We kept the only bargaining chip available for football alive, which is the national football team,” said Shabazz. “We rolled up our sleeves and went in the filth and in the mud and worked like slaves. And now we cannot even get the wages of indentured labourers? That is not right.

“I spoke with Sheldon Phillips and he seems very amenable and he has shown an inclination for us to work together to ask the Ministry to cover same. But I will not accept someone coming here and making enough money to feed their dog steak while our families have nothing to eat, especially after I left a contract in Guyana and two month’s salary to come and work hard for my country.”
Shabazz like he gearin up fuh a nex coup attempt

Hahahaha
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: Coop's on June 18, 2013, 03:16:27 PM
It will be very interesting to see what happens with these new developments,in seems local Coaches are not happy,totally agaainst these moves,i think for our national coaching staff to be successful they should have the support of our local Coaches.

The other thing i notice is that Sheldon Phillips does not live in T&T and is running our Football from the US?may be i understood that wrong,i hope the Coaches will not be doing the same,what kind of arangement is this?
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: royal on June 18, 2013, 03:17:53 PM
Stephen Hart is not the coach, at least not as yet, some stuff to be iron out still, he is excited and ready, but wants to iron out some stuff first.

He knows T&T players very well, more than what Shabazz thinks.

What's funny is, I did a piece about both Fenwick and Stuart Charles and said the same thing after Shabazz came onboard and they did not want to hear that- now all of the time Shabazz and company singing they praises.



I really dunno what de hell Shabazz talking bout.Everyone know Hart knows the T&T players very well because he has always taken a keen interest.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: Nashy on June 18, 2013, 03:26:02 PM
I will play for Stephen Hart, but I cannot stand the idea of Dave Mohammad coming back at all!

That man was a complete waste of time  a total and complete WASTE of God's time!

Players don't want him, staff don't want him.

WHY him????

Look out for text messages aplenty.

Charles is a good man, Shabazz is a fat buffoon.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: Big Magician on June 18, 2013, 03:32:18 PM
well well well ( famous Ruskin Mark quote)

lets play de fitball...
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: sjahrain on June 18, 2013, 03:34:19 PM
All great ideas for T&T football start right here.......  :devil:
I will love to suggest that Timkee hire socawarriors forum as his official brain trust...
You will always read about it and have it discussed right here before the football administration make any moves..... :yellowcard:

BIG UP
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: Flex on June 18, 2013, 03:37:12 PM
It will be very interesting to see what happens with these new developments,in seems local Coaches are not happy,totally agaainst these moves,i think for our national coaching staff to be successful they should have the support of our local Coaches.

The other thing i notice is that Sheldon Phillips does not live in T&T and is running our Football from the US?may be i understood that wrong,i hope the Coaches will not be doing the same,what kind of arangement is this?

Sheldon is in T&T. Lasana just writing off the top of his head.

 ;D

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: Coop's on June 18, 2013, 03:40:02 PM
It will be very interesting to see what happens with these new developments,in seems local Coaches are not happy,totally agaainst these moves,i think for our national coaching staff to be successful they should have the support of our local Coaches.

The other thing i notice is that Sheldon Phillips does not live in T&T and is running our Football from the US?may be i understood that wrong,i hope the Coaches will not be doing the same,what kind of arangement is this?

Sheldon is in T&T. Lasana just writing off the top of his head.

 ;D


     Thanks for clearing that up.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: davyjenny1 on June 18, 2013, 03:42:16 PM
Awww cornmeal still there .oh well. Looks good. Just pay the people please.

Stueps Shabazz yuh aint score a damn goal against Belize or Estonia who ranked lower than us also. And we looked horrible. I cah believe you asking why yuh get demoted.


Anton was never going anywhere.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: Nashy on June 18, 2013, 03:44:52 PM
Why do some people want to see Anton leave our football?  He is a good guy, and cares a great deal.  He is Anton not Alvin.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: davyjenny1 on June 18, 2013, 03:45:51 PM
It will be very interesting to see what happens with these new developments,in seems local Coaches are not happy,totally agaainst these moves,i think for our national coaching staff to be successful they should have the support of our local Coaches.

The other thing i notice is that Sheldon Phillips does not live in T&T and is running our Football from the US?may be i understood that wrong,i hope the Coaches will not be doing the same,what kind of arangement is this?

Sheldon is currently working on getting his residence in Trinidad.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: sjahrain on June 18, 2013, 03:51:52 PM
All that pain Shabazz feeling and the money he is expecting to be paid
Shabazz check it as community service to your country for the pain and suffering still being felt today,the sour taste is still evident....... :yellowcard:
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: Flex on June 18, 2013, 03:56:12 PM
I will play for Stephen Hart, but I cannot stand the idea of Dave Mohammad coming back at all!

That man was a complete waste of time  a total and complete WASTE of God's time!

Players don't want him, staff don't want him.

WHY him????

Look out for text messages aplenty.

Charles is a good man, Shabazz is a fat buffoon.

Me too. ...  ;D

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: Football supporter on June 18, 2013, 04:49:44 PM
What is wrong with the TTFA,JUST GIVE THE ENGLISHMAN THE BLOODY JOB,and let pick some locals to help,we couldn't do much better than that.
Fenwick wont be as effective ,as w3hen he ran Jabloteh ,as all his players are gone now.

Silly talk. Fenwick scouted, recruited and developed those players. Therefore, its reasonable to expect that he has an eye for building a team. In fact, he built two successful teams at Jabloteh. Since joining Central he has improved the game of many players including Marcano and Mitchell who both got national team call ups.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: Football supporter on June 18, 2013, 04:54:54 PM
All that pain Shabazz feeling and the money he is expecting to be paid
Shabazz check it as community service to your country for the pain and suffering still being felt today,the sour taste is still evident....... :yellowcard:

Whatever your feelings about Shabazz, he did a job and deserves to be paid. It's shocking how TTFA have managed this affair with no regard to the reputations of Shabazz and Charles. Like them or not, they have careers to maintain and this all could have been managed much better. In any industry, of course you have to let people go if you feel they're not performing, but you still have a legal obligation to pay them. In my opinion, TTFA are on very thin ice, as I understand it they had a contract with Shabazz. Doesn't matter if the funds came from elsewhere, Shabazz worked for TTFA and they are obligated to pay the man. 
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: Quags on June 18, 2013, 04:55:25 PM
What is wrong with the TTFA,JUST GIVE THE ENGLISHMAN THE BLOODY JOB,and let pick some locals to help,we couldn't do much better than that.
Fenwick wont be as effective ,as w3hen he ran Jabloteh ,as all his players are gone now.

Silly talk. Fenwick scouted, recruited and developed those players. Therefore, its reasonable to expect that he has an eye for building a team. In fact, he built two successful teams at Jabloteh. Since joining Central he has improved the game of many players including Marcano and Mitchell who both got national team call ups.


Exactly ,he should have been coach years ago ,since his jab days .Not now one month before the cup .be too much for him right now .
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: Football supporter on June 18, 2013, 04:56:54 PM
What is wrong with the TTFA,JUST GIVE THE ENGLISHMAN THE BLOODY JOB,and let pick some locals to help,we couldn't do much better than that.
Fenwick wont be as effective ,as w3hen he ran Jabloteh ,as all his players are gone now.

Silly talk. Fenwick scouted, recruited and developed those players. Therefore, its reasonable to expect that he has an eye for building a team. In fact, he built two successful teams at Jabloteh. Since joining Central he has improved the game of many players including Marcano and Mitchell who both got national team call ups.


Exactly ,he should have been coach years ago ,since his jab days .Not now one month before the cup .be too much for him right now .

I wonder if he would take the job given the history of non payment of wages to Latapy etc.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: Dynamite Warrior on June 18, 2013, 05:22:21 PM
To be honest i would rather see Fenwick as the U17-U20 coach than Senior coach. I would like him to be involved with individuals on a weekly basis because he seems to excel in player development. As the national coach you only get to see players for a week every couple of months. To me he could help T&T football alot more as a youth coach than a senior coach.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: FireBrand on June 18, 2013, 05:49:33 PM
To be honest i would rather see Fenwick as the U17-U20 coach than Senior coach. I would like him to be involved with individuals on a weekly basis because he seems to excel in player development. As the national coach you only get to see players for a week every couple of months. To me he could help T&T football alot more as a youth coach than a senior coach.

My thoughts exactly.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: Bakes on June 18, 2013, 06:01:36 PM
Hart transplant: TTFA hires ex-Canada coach… locals still unpaid


Phillips, who was appointed as general secretary last month, resides in the United States and travels here intermittently to oversee important TTFA matters in person. It is uncertain whether he intends to relocate to Trinidad or if he hopes to conduct the business of local football through phone calls and Skype.


In addition to writing headlines as though is National Enquirer he writing for, Lasana needs to try and be a bit more professional and stop throwing shade all de time.  Is never a good look for a man to be carrying on mauvais langue like dat.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: just cool on June 18, 2013, 06:20:25 PM
Hart transplant: TTFA hires ex-Canada coach… locals still unpaid


Phillips, who was appointed as general secretary last month, resides in the United States and travels here intermittently to oversee important TTFA matters in person. It is uncertain whether he intends to relocate to Trinidad or if he hopes to conduct the business of local football through phone calls and Skype.


In addition to writing headlines as though is National Enquirer he writing for, Lasana needs to try and be a bit more professional and stop throwing shade all de time.  Is never a good look for a man to be carrying on mauvais langue like dat.
Hear big word nah!!     :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: Bakes on June 18, 2013, 07:02:33 PM
Hear big word nah!!     :rotfl: :rotfl:

Nah it only spell like ah big word man  :D
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: coache on June 18, 2013, 07:19:52 PM
These idiots shouldda never coach without contract...they should be paid though..
Lincoln Phillips, Sheldon Phillips, Tim Kee, Corneal, Hart, Beenhakker...lawd..look how hard we striving fuh mediocrity in Trinidad football..from Shabazz to Hart...1pt in de GC
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: triniairman on June 18, 2013, 09:15:34 PM
These idiots shouldda never coach without contract...they should be paid though..
Lincoln Phillips, Sheldon Phillips, Tim Kee, Corneal, Hart, Beenhakker...lawd..look how hard we striving fuh mediocrity in Trinidad football..from Shabazz to Hart...1pt in de GC
coache who would you have liked to see in charge and why?
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: coache on June 18, 2013, 09:18:41 PM
Dotish people...
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: coache on June 18, 2013, 09:30:19 PM
Certainly not Hart and not Beenhaaker..from one confusing coach to de next...Beenhakker goin and set up he 4-4-2 with a set a hard man in de midfield..he doh have a Stern John to hold up de ball how he getting that critical time up top..what am I saying..Hart is de coach...he frustrate DeRosario up in de cold now he comin Trinidad to frustrate people wid rel dotishness..look fuh de tall, big belly, ballhead French creole Trini-Canadian wiping he face Trini style wid a  RW+B rag while his mediocre Soca Warriors get schooled in America.
I cyah wait fuh de bachannal....licks!..who we playin?
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: triniairman on June 18, 2013, 09:36:13 PM
Certainly not Hart and not Beenhaaker..from one confusing coach to de next...Beenhakker goin and set up he 4-4-2 with a set a hard man in de midfield..he doh have a Stern John to hold up de ball how he getting that critical time up top..what am I saying..Hart is de coach...he frustrate DeRosario up in de cold now he comin Trinidad to frustrate people wid rel dotishness..look fuh de tall, big belly, ballhead French creole Trini-Canadian wiping he face Trini style wid a  RW+B rag while his mediocre Soca Warriors get schooled in America.
I cyah wait fuh de bachannal....licks!..who we playin?
you still did not answer my question. I asked the question, because you seem to have a better idea who should be in charge.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: coache on June 18, 2013, 09:45:30 PM
At this stage in de game ..why go huntin fuh dese foreigners?
Licks!
Watch and see..when blows start sharin allyuh will remember Coache ..I backin Haiti...licks like peas...
GC is a tournament no time fuh experimentation...
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: toonmili on June 18, 2013, 09:49:32 PM
Why are you on a Soca Warriors board if you're backing Haiti. You don't only support your team when they are doing well. They needs support especially when they are down.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: Socapro on June 18, 2013, 10:16:32 PM
I will play for Stephen Hart, but I cannot stand the idea of Dave Mohammad coming back at all!

That man was a complete waste of time  a total and complete WASTE of God's time!

Players don't want him, staff don't want him.

WHY him????

Look out for text messages aplenty.

Charles is a good man, Shabazz is a fat buffoon.

Me too. ...  ;D
Whose idea was that to bring Dave "text message" Mohammad back?

They should have left him to concentrate on his Black Agenda radio show, that is where his strength is.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: Banter Banton on June 19, 2013, 01:44:42 AM
coache  ...HULL YUH MUDDA C**T
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: Sam on June 19, 2013, 02:05:54 AM
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http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?action=quotefast;quote=857311

Certainly not Hart and not Beenhaaker..from one confusing coach to de next...Beenhakker goin and set up he 4-4-2 with a set a hard man in de midfield..he doh have a Stern John to hold up de ball how he getting that critical time up top..what am I saying..Hart is de coach...he frustrate DeRosario up in de cold now he comin Trinidad to frustrate people wid rel dotishness..look fuh de tall, big belly, ballhead French creole Trini-Canadian wiping he face Trini style wid a  RW+B rag while his mediocre Soca Warriors get schooled in America.
I cyah wait fuh de bachannal....licks!..who we playin?

Who is this racist clown they calling coache, mods, all need to send this man for ah early shower.

Like ah fig stick in he ass.

One setta talk and nothing with sense.

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: just cool on June 19, 2013, 03:15:28 AM
Quote
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?action=quotefast;quote=857311

Certainly not Hart and not Beenhaaker..from one confusing coach to de next...Beenhakker goin and set up he 4-4-2 with a set a hard man in de midfield..he doh have a Stern John to hold up de ball how he getting that critical time up top..what am I saying..Hart is de coach...he frustrate DeRosario up in de cold now he comin Trinidad to frustrate people wid rel dotishness..look fuh de tall, big belly, ballhead French creole Trini-Canadian wiping he face Trini style wid a  RW+B rag while his mediocre Soca Warriors get schooled in America.
I cyah wait fuh de bachannal....licks!..who we playin?

Who is this racist clown they calling coache, mods, all need to send this man for ah early shower.

Like ah fig stick in he ass.

One setta talk and nothing with sense.


Allyuh have time for dah troll??!!

allyuh cyar see how much bump this man have on he nose, fuss he's ah troll, bump for so!!

all he needs now is ah bridge to chill under.   stueeepppssss!! allyuh have time.

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: just cool on June 19, 2013, 03:38:32 AM
To show allyuh how this coache fella is ah bastard of a troll, when we loss to romania this man went on ah one man campaign on ppl's nerves by going on every thread saying "fire shabbaz now" "fire shabba" "fire shabba now".

even FF had tuh check him bc he was annoying the board in ah dread way, now all of ah sudden he's in favor of keeping shabbaz bc a new coach was hired, allyuh see how much idle fellas on the board playing with ppl's emotions?.

ah hope allyuh see how disruptive this boy is, and ah hope the mods ban his arse bc hes ah big horse fly of ah nuisance.
Title: Re: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: D.H.W on June 19, 2013, 04:11:29 AM
To show allyuh how this coache fella is ah bastard of a troll, when we loss to romania this man went on ah one man campaign on ppl's nerves by going on every thread saying "fire shabbaz now" "fire shabba" "fire shabba now".

even FF had tuh check him bc he was annoying the board in ah dread way, now all of ah sudden he's in favor of keeping shabbaz bc a new coach was hired, allyuh see how much idle fellas on the board playing with ppl's emotions?.

ah hope allyuh see how disruptive this boy is, and ah hope the mods ban his arse bc hes ah big horse fly of ah nuisance.

Yeh watching him.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: Flex on June 19, 2013, 04:19:11 AM
coache, kindly check your personal message.

TY.

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: trini_stallion on June 19, 2013, 04:31:02 AM
coache, kindly check your personal message.

TY.


Bodowww ahahhahahah

Felllas I trying to plan ah massive tnt contingent lime for de game on de 12th ah july in de mia...where de trini massive sitting?? I wanna organizee some tickets...helpplz!!
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: doc on June 19, 2013, 06:01:41 AM
I wish you well, SH. Hope you achieve your lofty goals. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: maxg on June 19, 2013, 09:25:39 AM
I called this last week.  What a visionary I am  :beermug:

u right yes..u go ahead and big up yuh self....since nobody noticed or remembered...  :clown:

OK, here you go:

OK, so Beenie is older, and there are valid arguments as to whether he is a developmental coach.  Hiring him for the Gold Cup would be a stop gap measure that ultimately does not aid in the longterm advancement of Trinidad's football, but you have to admit that Charles and Shabazz are out of depth in their current roles.  Show me the local candidates who could step in.  Our coaching stock is obsolete, as they refuse to keep up with the progress that football has made, and they refuse to engage in continuous learning.  Only place we could look for a coach is abroad.  Why not Stephen Hart or an American coach?  They're definitely better than what we have at home, and they'd come with good knowledge of how things work in the region.  Just putting it out there.  We need a coach that is willing to take a holistic approach to out football and who is willing to work the the TD to bring talent through the pipeline and implement a structure that will ensure the longterm survival and eventual success of our football.
If yuh wha get technical
So was SH scouting or inte
http://www.youtube.com/v/X6wkNBuGEDE
So was SH scouting or interviewing  ? Enquiring minds looking for change.
and TI could tell yuh he know bout that 5 years ago..somehow doh...coache ent see it coming   :devil:
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: Storeboy on June 19, 2013, 12:09:34 PM
We want to talk bout 2006 tactics? How did we do in the Gold cup back then with "better" players?
We expect to do better now?

coache you talking real sh!t... the Gold Cup last time, Beenhakker was in charge 2 months and he use the Cup to see other fringe players such as Rahim, Eve, Scotland and Theobald among others who all were not starters on the WC drive. Theobald get to play in all three World Cup games because of the injury to Whitley.

We end up drawing 2-2 with Panama, 1-1 with Honduras who lets not forget 3 months earlier gave us 5-1 in Tegucigalpa, and lorse to 2 late goals to Colombia. We did not advance but the performances were not bad at all and in retrospect you could have seen the direction that the team was growing and the potential therein. I don't believe any fans left them stadiums feeling shame and I have a sad feeling that is what we was staring at with Shabbaz and sorry to say Charles.

If your concern is it is too late now for any coach to get the players to buy in to the plan and adjust to new tactics, then fine that is also my concern.... but better late than never yes.

Boss talk! I am with the team and the decisions 100%.  We aren't prophets.  Like everything else, we move forward, assess, review and make changes if necessary. But let's have transparency and if it fails we try again. Let's keep moving!
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: Peong on June 19, 2013, 01:29:16 PM
 :applause:  Good move, too bad it so soon before a tournament.  I hope for decent results but the reality is the Gold Cup is tough even with good preparation. 
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: maxg on June 19, 2013, 01:54:12 PM
Once SH aware that some knowledgable respected experts (call name, ah go whistle) might open they mouth to critique and end up talking some negative nonsense or different opinions based on their own perspective of never having any National level coaching success or stints.....he just has to try to take the sense from the nonsense, and adjust to suite his pespective... I hoping for a minimum full 2 years, and hopefully further extension..
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: D.H.W on June 19, 2013, 01:56:53 PM
I sure he well aware of the local shit talk. Some people love to see the team fail so that they could say i was right and feel good. Regardless who the coach is.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: royal on June 19, 2013, 04:22:11 PM
Canadian international Dwayne De Rosario posted on Twitter: "Congrats to .StephenHart ex .Canadian coach on being selected as .Trinidad&Tobago head Coach .SocaWarriors"
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: Bakes on June 19, 2013, 04:27:45 PM
Canadian international Dwayne De Rosario posted on Twitter: "Congrats to .StephenHart ex .Canadian coach on being selected as .Trinidad&Tobago head Coach .SocaWarriors"

I tort Coache say that Steve Hart fack up DeRosario career with de Canadian National team?  ::)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: davidephraim on June 19, 2013, 09:02:20 PM
All that pain Shabazz feeling and the money he is expecting to be paid
Shabazz check it as community service to your country for the pain and suffering still being felt today,the sour taste is still evident....... :yellowcard:

Cheers to dat. A lil community service!
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: just cool on June 19, 2013, 09:50:02 PM
All that pain Shabazz feeling and the money he is expecting to be paid
Shabazz check it as community service to your country for the pain and suffering still being felt today,the sour taste is still evident....... :yellowcard:

Cheers to dat. A lil community service!
Ah wonder what kinda com-service fellas like panday, manning, robinson, half of williams cabinette, jack warner, john o'holleran kids, randolph boroughs kids and grand kids have tuh do boy.......... should i go on??

pay de fackin man for his work!! if yuh against that then yuh should be against the soca warriors getting paid for not winning ah single game in germany, just like jack reiterated many times!

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: just cool on June 19, 2013, 10:01:47 PM
Allyuh notice what kinda xenophobic society allyuh livin in eh, all of ah sudden there's no mo talk about foreign coaches, though stephen hart is as foreign as yuh could get!

this man bounce from the scene 30 yrs ago, lived worked and learned his craft in canada, so it's safe to say that he's ah transplanted canadian, but yet there's no quorums with him taking the reins, but it's ah problem for leo, even though he hart boxed bread out the mouth of two of our local "good ole boys", yet no prattle!

i have to give it to timkee, he's ah smart cookie! he knows just how to silence the critics, well done raymond, jack eh want nothing wid you.

ah have tuh tip meh hat off to mr lennox watson as well for getting the ball rolling and not getting in the way of progress.

good luck stephen hart, yuh go need it with these ultra phobes.   
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: Bakes on June 19, 2013, 10:18:06 PM
Allyuh notice what kinda xenophobic society allyuh livin in eh, all of ah sudden there's no mo talk about foreign coaches, though stephen hart is as foreign as yuh could get!

this man bounce from the scene 30 yrs ago, lived worked and learned his craft in canada, so it's safe to say that he's ah transplanted canadian, but yet there's no quorums with him taking the reins, but it's ah problem for leo, even though he hart boxed bread out the mouth of two of our local "good ole boys", yet no prattle!


i have to give it to timkee, he's ah smart cookie! he knows just how to silence the critics, well done raymond, jack eh want nothing wid you.

ah have tuh tip meh hat off to mr lennox watson as well for getting the ball rolling and not getting in the way of progress.

good luck stephen hart, yuh go need it with these ultra phobes.   

You doh know what yuh talking about.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: just cool on June 19, 2013, 10:33:13 PM
Allyuh notice what kinda xenophobic society allyuh livin in eh, all of ah sudden there's no mo talk about foreign coaches, though stephen hart is as foreign as yuh could get!

this man bounce from the scene 30 yrs ago, lived worked and learned his craft in canada, so it's safe to say that he's ah transplanted canadian, but yet there's no quorums with him taking the reins, but it's ah problem for leo, even though he hart boxed bread out the mouth of two of our local "good ole boys", yet no prattle!


i have to give it to timkee, he's ah smart cookie! he knows just how to silence the critics, well done raymond, jack eh want nothing wid you.

ah have tuh tip meh hat off to mr lennox watson as well for getting the ball rolling and not getting in the way of progress.

good luck stephen hart, yuh go need it with these ultra phobes.   

You doh know what yuh talking about.
WHICH IS INACCURATE, SH IS NOT A FOREIGN COACH, OR TRINIDAD IS NOT A XENOPHOBIC SOCIETY??
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: Bakes on June 19, 2013, 10:40:35 PM
WHICH IS INACCURATE, SH IS NOT A FOREIGN COACH, OR TRINIDAD IS NOT A XENOPHOBIC SOCIETY??

It's inaccurate to suggest that Steve Hart has lived out of the country for the past 30 years or that he's been so disconnected from the local scene that "stephen hart is as foreign as yuh could get, or that "it's safe to say that he's ah transplanted canadian."  That's nonsense talk.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: Controversial on June 19, 2013, 11:03:58 PM
Allyuh notice what kinda xenophobic society allyuh livin in eh, all of ah sudden there's no mo talk about foreign coaches, though stephen hart is as foreign as yuh could get!

this man bounce from the scene 30 yrs ago, lived worked and learned his craft in canada, so it's safe to say that he's ah transplanted canadian, but yet there's no quorums with him taking the reins, but it's ah problem for leo, even though he hart boxed bread out the mouth of two of our local "good ole boys", yet no prattle!


i have to give it to timkee, he's ah smart cookie! he knows just how to silence the critics, well done raymond, jack eh want nothing wid you.

ah have tuh tip meh hat off to mr lennox watson as well for getting the ball rolling and not getting in the way of progress.

good luck stephen hart, yuh go need it with these ultra phobes.   

You doh know what yuh talking about.
WHICH IS INACCURATE, SH IS NOT A FOREIGN COACH, OR TRINIDAD IS NOT A XENOPHOBIC SOCIETY??

SH is a friend of the family and a great player and coach and above all hes more trini than most on this board and back home in tt...

it have a lot of people who live in tt but are the furthest thing from being trini, they wish and talk like they are from another country with an identity crisis..

so i dont know what jus cool rant is about, its foolish to compare beenhakker with SH, like if SH is not trini
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: just cool on June 19, 2013, 11:07:33 PM
WHICH IS INACCURATE, SH IS NOT A FOREIGN COACH, OR TRINIDAD IS NOT A XENOPHOBIC SOCIETY??

It's inaccurate to suggest that Steve Hart has lived out of the country for the past 30 years or that he's been so disconnected from the local scene that "stephen hart is as foreign as yuh could get, or that "it's safe to say that he's ah transplanted canadian."  That's nonsense talk.
Breds you acting like me and SH is friends, i could only go by what i've read of the man and it states that the man ride out in the early eighties which would make it 30 or damn close to 30 yrs he's left T&T, and that he studied his craft in canada and got his certification there, then he coach yute and senior level plus on the club scene in canada, so that would tell me that the man was based in canada for ah minute.

my point is whether SH lived in canada or not( and most ppl wouldn't know that) if it came down to terry fenwick and SH the local fraternity would chose SH unanimously based on the fact that he's ah trini , as opposed to fenwick who spend the last 15 yrs or so in trini living and coaching, they would still see him as a foreigner and would cause ah stink!

i remember growing up as ah lil fella there were quite ah few elderly ppl in the neighborhood whom i used to help out around the place on weekends. tanty olga, uncle freddy, ms macy, ms james and mr silas, and all these ppl were from the islands, and even though these old old old folks had children and grand children born and bred in trinidad, the ppl in the neighborhood still maligned them as foreigners for the slightest of infractions.

now this is what does get me livid about trinis, dey doh care if they going to hell, just as long as it's ah trini taking them there, they alright wid that! and this is the mentality of alvin, fazeer, andre baptitse and most the football community.  that's my point.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: just cool on June 19, 2013, 11:15:24 PM
Allyuh notice what kinda xenophobic society allyuh livin in eh, all of ah sudden there's no mo talk about foreign coaches, though stephen hart is as foreign as yuh could get!

this man bounce from the scene 30 yrs ago, lived worked and learned his craft in canada, so it's safe to say that he's ah transplanted canadian, but yet there's no quorums with him taking the reins, but it's ah problem for leo, even though he hart boxed bread out the mouth of two of our local "good ole boys", yet no prattle!


i have to give it to timkee, he's ah smart cookie! he knows just how to silence the critics, well done raymond, jack eh want nothing wid you.

ah have tuh tip meh hat off to mr lennox watson as well for getting the ball rolling and not getting in the way of progress.

good luck stephen hart, yuh go need it with these ultra phobes.   

You doh know what yuh talking about.
WHICH IS INACCURATE, SH IS NOT A FOREIGN COACH, OR TRINIDAD IS NOT A XENOPHOBIC SOCIETY??

SH is a friend of the family and a great player and coach and above all hes more trini than most on this board and back home in tt...

it have a lot of people who live in tt but are the furthest thing from being trini, they wish and talk like they are from another country with an identity crisis..

so i dont know what jus cool rant is about, its foolish to compare beenhakker with SH, like if SH is not trini
Breds yuh talking out yuh batty again, read first before yuh jump nah!

in case yuh don't know, i welcome SH appointment bro!! all i was saying was that trinis so fackin xenophobic that they would make ah big deal ova ah man like beenhakker, which IMO i rate way more than SH, but with the same breath would gracefully welcome hart with open arms just bc he's ah trini, though the both of them was replacing two local good ole boys.

tuh tell yuh the truth im happy for the appointment and can't wait to see his brand, but would trinis have been so kind to terry fenwick though he's been living and coaching there for over a decade??


you say hart is yuh fren, how long has he been residing in canada?
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: Bakes on June 20, 2013, 12:19:13 AM
Just Cool the fact is that yuh try to set up some kinda dichotomy between Hart and Beenhakker, whether yuh is friend or not yuh make ah grand pronouncement about him being Canadian transplant and what not.  Steve Hart no matter where he live remained more connected to the local game than you realize.  At the end of the day we shouldn't even be entertaining these silly-ass local vs. foreign conversations, so yuh kinda walk yuhself into dat one.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: Controversial on June 20, 2013, 12:32:49 AM
Allyuh notice what kinda xenophobic society allyuh livin in eh, all of ah sudden there's no mo talk about foreign coaches, though stephen hart is as foreign as yuh could get!

this man bounce from the scene 30 yrs ago, lived worked and learned his craft in canada, so it's safe to say that he's ah transplanted canadian, but yet there's no quorums with him taking the reins, but it's ah problem for leo, even though he hart boxed bread out the mouth of two of our local "good ole boys", yet no prattle!


i have to give it to timkee, he's ah smart cookie! he knows just how to silence the critics, well done raymond, jack eh want nothing wid you.

ah have tuh tip meh hat off to mr lennox watson as well for getting the ball rolling and not getting in the way of progress.

good luck stephen hart, yuh go need it with these ultra phobes.   

You doh know what yuh talking about.
WHICH IS INACCURATE, SH IS NOT A FOREIGN COACH, OR TRINIDAD IS NOT A XENOPHOBIC SOCIETY??

SH is a friend of the family and a great player and coach and above all hes more trini than most on this board and back home in tt...

it have a lot of people who live in tt but are the furthest thing from being trini, they wish and talk like they are from another country with an identity crisis..

so i dont know what jus cool rant is about, its foolish to compare beenhakker with SH, like if SH is not trini
Breds yuh talking out yuh batty again, read first before yuh jump nah!

in case yuh don't know, i welcome SH appointment bro!! all i was saying was that trinis so fackin xenophobic that they would make ah big deal ova ah man like beenhakker, which IMO i rate way more than SH, but with the same breath would gracefully welcome hart with open arms just bc he's ah trini, though the both of them was replacing two local good ole boys.

tuh tell yuh the truth im happy for the appointment and can't wait to see his brand, but would trinis have been so kind to terry fenwick though he's been living and coaching there for over a decade??


you say hart is yuh fren, how long has he been residing in canada?

SH is better than fenwick and all other so called local coaches, hart is not local in terms of his residence, just like yourself, but it doesn't take away from the fact he is trini.

i rather have SH as coach than beenhakker and not bc hes a friend but bc he will be there when beenhakker is gone and he understands the culture and is a former player, plus hes young and can grow with the team, he brings a wealth of experience from canada and has the organizational skills to lead. nuff said
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: Rodney on June 20, 2013, 02:25:02 AM
Looking at this discussion, can I ask what makes T&T so different to other developing football nation's that it becomes such a huge deal over what the nationality, Race (?) and residency status should be of a national coach.

Outside Europe and South America the vast majority of nations have had long histories hiring foreign over local and in most cases still do! Budget and quality of resume of applicants should be the key factors in employing a coach, if a local is on par with others at this point I agree that local knowledge should be taken into account.

We have generally employed locals to run the national team and I would'nt say they have achieved enough significant success to support this desire to remain local. Surely the appointment of SH is a good thing, he may not live in T&T or coach in the Pro league but he was born and raised in the country, coaches in the region so is fully aware of our most regular opponents and has much more experience of coaching on the international stage than any current local coach.

I don't get the anger and disgust expressed by some.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: 100% Barataria on June 20, 2013, 03:12:19 AM
Well said Rodney, xenophobia at its best
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: just cool on June 20, 2013, 04:21:48 AM
My point basically was that we are a xenophobic society, and i used hart as an example of our xenophobia, bc the out rage dissipated from local media one day to another based on the nationality of the coach.

beenhakker was announced and the local fraternity when off, then hart was announced and they were silent, this was my point.

 even if hart was making more money than beenie it still would not incur such outrage, bc ah local boy was getting paid, but if the other way around? "ah foreigner getting ova on we stupid foreign struck trinis" would be the cry, this is my point.

i don't give ah fork if hart lived six months out the year in canada, and has ah castle in trinidad where he spends his winters, the point iz, he's coming home with knowledge and experience acquired in foreign, just like beenie coming with his wealth of knowledge from ah foreign land, which makes them foreign coaches!

i really hate tuh debate with fellas on here, bc they sooooo rigid in their analysis and seldom let things ride in order to see the bigger picture.

the only difference is hart is trinidadian and beenhakker is not!
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: vb on June 20, 2013, 04:22:13 AM
I don't give a damn where the Coach is from, once he is the best viable option for TT.

I've always believed that the Dutch philosophy is the best way to go for TT.
If I had had my way, We would've had a Dutch Coach with a Dutch assistant and a local as the third Coach.
Perhaps the Asst. could've been given the U-20 squad during quiet periods for the Sr. team.

SH could've been in charge of the U-16 or U-18 team on a long term plan to qualify for the age specific WCs, ie. live in long term camps etc.

The truth is no matter what the TTFFA does, you could see areas for improvement.

This is a helluva step in the right direction. Neither man has a rep as a Yes man. Which means THEY or in this case SH will be picking the team.

I just hope the TTFA give the man an international program and don't expect results based on a TT Pro League 11.

VB
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: de_redman on June 20, 2013, 07:28:32 AM
I think whoever is trying to bring up this discussion of a xenophobic society is just looking for attention... Not relevant to this thread whatsoever  :bs:
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: just cool on June 20, 2013, 11:17:14 AM
I think whoever is trying to bring up this discussion of a xenophobic society is just looking for attention... Not relevant to this thread whatsoever  :bs:
What's not so relevant?

the thread is about football isn't, it's about stephen hart and beenhakker being appointed as coach and director of football isn't it, it's also about shabbaz and charles being out of jobs as a result isn't it, so why is anything i said irrelevant since it was based on hart, beehakker and the two former coaches??

since the topic was about football, when it was announced that beenhakker was appointed the new head coach of the socawarriors the media lit up with bad reviews from "LOCAL" football gurus and coaches alike, with 99% of them against the appointment citing that loyalty to the "local" coaches should have been observed. is that not true?

then three days later hart, whom part of the conversation was about, was appointed head coach, yet  two days after that appointment, not one article opposing his post, even though the circumstances remained the same for the two "local" coaches that were displaced ( which was a major concern for the local football fraternity), leaving me to believe that the only reason beenhakker's appointment as head coach was opposed in the first place was due to him not being a T&T national.  is that not true??

now bc this was a grave matter of concern "to me", and being a member of a football forum called SWO, i decided to go to this forum to verbalized my concerns since this was a football related matter. so that did i.

i went on to explain that this dissatisfaction was due to our xenophobic culture, and had nothing to do with coaches being displaced or the federation splurging on a foreign coach, bc after stephen hart was appointed coach, there were no further concerns in this regard. is that not true??

IMO the situation remained the same bc charless and shabbaz was still out the door, big money would still be spend on the new coach and to add to that, they also have to pay beenhakker for his services as well, which is an added expense. yet still, not one word from the restless natives, yuh know why?? bc they hired a "home boy".

now if that's not xenophobia, if that's not football related, if that has nothing to do with hart, beenhakker, charles or shabbaz, and last but not least, if that's not relevant to the thread, then fack me, :-[  i'm lost as lost could be.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: Peong on June 20, 2013, 11:58:32 AM
 :rotfl:  Yeah yuh lost, first Hart is as foreign as they come, now he's a Trini  :rotfl:
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: FF on June 20, 2013, 12:39:53 PM
:rotfl:  Yeah yuh lost, first Hart is as foreign as they come, now he's a Trini  :rotfl:

???

Where is this contradiction in jus cool post?
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: de_redman on June 20, 2013, 01:21:45 PM
I think whoever is trying to bring up this discussion of a xenophobic society is just looking for attention... Not relevant to this thread whatsoever  :bs:
What's not so relevant?

the thread is about football isn't, it's about stephen hart and beenhakker being appointed as coach and director of football isn't it, it's also about shabbaz and charles being out of jobs as a result isn't it, so why is anything i said irrelevant since it was based on hart, beehakker and the two former coaches??

since the topic was about football, when it was announced that beenhakker was appointed the new head coach of the socawarriors the media lit up with bad reviews from "LOCAL" football gurus and coaches alike, with 99% of them against the appointment citing that loyalty to the "local" coaches should have been observed. is that not true?

then three days later hart, whom part of the conversation was about, was appointed head coach, yet  two days after that appointment, not one article opposing his post, even though the circumstances remained the same for the two "local" coaches that were displaced ( which was a major concern for the local football fraternity), leaving me to believe that the only reason beenhakker's appointment as head coach was opposed in the first place was due to him not being a T&T national.  is that not true??

now bc this was a grave matter of concern "to me", and being a member of a football forum called SWO, i decided to go to this forum to verbalized my concerns since this was a football related matter. so that did i.

i went on to explain that this dissatisfaction was due to our xenophobic culture, and had nothing to do with coaches being displaced or the federation splurging on a foreign coach, bc after stephen hart was appointed coach, there were no further concerns in this regard. is that not true??

IMO the situation remained the same bc charless and shabbaz was still out the door, big money would still be spend on the new coach and to add to that, they also have to pay beenhakker for his services as well, which is an added expense. yet still, not one word from the restless natives, yuh know why?? bc they hired a "home boy".

now if that's not xenophobia, if that's not football related, if that has nothing to do with hart, beenhakker, charles or shabbaz, and last but not least, if that's not relevant to the thread, then fack me, :-[  i'm lost as lost could be.

That is one hell of an assumption you are making!!! ::) I think the problem people have is despite their love for Bennie, they are concerned that he may not be here for the long haul. That initial 2 month thing raised a lot of eyebrows. The people don't want quick fixes for the Gold cup and yet another contribution to an old man's retirement fund. There are no such concerns when it comes to Hart.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: Socapro on June 20, 2013, 01:41:00 PM
I think whoever is trying to bring up this discussion of a xenophobic society is just looking for attention... Not relevant to this thread whatsoever  :bs:
What's not so relevant?

the thread is about football isn't, it's about stephen hart and beenhakker being appointed as coach and director of football isn't it, it's also about shabbaz and charles being out of jobs as a result isn't it, so why is anything i said irrelevant since it was based on hart, beehakker and the two former coaches??

since the topic was about football, when it was announced that beenhakker was appointed the new head coach of the socawarriors the media lit up with bad reviews from "LOCAL" football gurus and coaches alike, with 99% of them against the appointment citing that loyalty to the "local" coaches should have been observed. is that not true?

then three days later hart, whom part of the conversation was about, was appointed head coach, yet  two days after that appointment, not one article opposing his post, even though the circumstances remained the same for the two "local" coaches that were displaced ( which was a major concern for the local football fraternity), leaving me to believe that the only reason beenhakker's appointment as head coach was opposed in the first place was due to him not being a T&T national.  is that not true??

now bc this was a grave matter of concern "to me", and being a member of a football forum called SWO, i decided to go to this forum to verbalized my concerns since this was a football related matter. so that did i.

i went on to explain that this dissatisfaction was due to our xenophobic culture, and had nothing to do with coaches being displaced or the federation splurging on a foreign coach, bc after stephen hart was appointed coach, there were no further concerns in this regard. is that not true??

IMO the situation remained the same bc charless and shabbaz was still out the door, big money would still be spend on the new coach and to add to that, they also have to pay beenhakker for his services as well, which is an added expense. yet still, not one word from the restless natives, yuh know why?? bc they hired a "home boy".

now if that's not xenophobia, if that's not football related, if that has nothing to do with hart, beenhakker, charles or shabbaz, and last but not least, if that's not relevant to the thread, then fack me, :-[  i'm lost as lost could be.

That is one hell of an assumption you are making!!! ::) I think the problem people have is despite their love for Bennie, they are concerned that he may not be here for the long haul. That initial 2 month thing raised a lot of eyebrows. The people don't want quick fixes for the Gold cup and yet another contribution to an old man's retirement fund. There are no such concerns when it comes to Hart.
:beermug: :beermug:
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: just cool on June 20, 2013, 02:28:46 PM
Socapro the ppl down there are not so collective and shrewd to calculate all that you applauded.

the reasons they specify for not wanting beenhakker was mainly bc they wanted lenience for charles and shabbaz, not his age or the length of his proposed stay.

they believed that the pair should be given a reprieve to go to the gold cup and prove their worth since they were the ones who got them to the gold cup in the first place. no one really cared if beenie was appointed for two months or two yrs, they were more concerned with the lump sum of money, than the time of the tenure.


as for this redman fella, he don't even know what he's beefin about, IMO he's being facetious bc he had no argument in the first place.

i believe he was offended bc i called trinis xenphobic, so he said that was irrelevant to the discourse, yet when i pointed it out, he then veered off course on to another topic accusing me for making false assumptions,

well off course i was assuming, but to some extent i think i was on point with this assumption, after all, every concerned for the coaches went out the window when they found out that their locals were replace by another local.  problem solved!
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: palos on June 20, 2013, 03:22:30 PM
I jes addin my opinion here.

From what I gather...is less a case of "xenophobia" and more a case of the perceived treatment of locally based coaches, from TTFF and to some extent Government, vs the treatment of overseas based coaches from the same entities.

Anyone would feel aggrieved if they doing a job and don't get paid for it, only to be passed over for the same job by someone else.  What aggravates the situation even more is that whoever gets the job likely will not only get paid...but get paid more too.

When TTFF lost it's main and often times ONLY sponsor in Jack Warner, the football still had to carry on regardless.  Add to that the lack of funding from Government and SOMEBODY had to take the reins in that situation.  The show still goes on.  Looks like that somebody was actually 2 people....Hutson Charles and Jamal Shabazz

I have no idea under what terms they were given the position...what was promised or not promised.  But if it is true that they were not paid AND only found out about the appointments of Beenhakker and Hart through the media...then that speaks to a very basic and complete lack of RESPECT.

This is the gist of what I getting from this whole situation.  It may be clouded by sensationalist labels of "foreign vs local", "xenophobia" etc...but I think it fundamentally comes down to a RESPECT issue.  Most people want RESPECT and RESPECT cuts both ways.

That said...there are always other sides to the story so maybe it not playing out exactly as it's being portrayed.  I guess time will tell.  I only hope that whoever is involved from both parties...coaches and administration can find a way to treat each other the way we would want ourselves to be treated.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: Deeks on June 20, 2013, 03:55:36 PM
List of TT coaches from the 60s to present.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinidad_and_Tobago_national_football_team
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: Socapro on June 20, 2013, 04:26:07 PM
Nice view Palos @Reply #134 , I'm inclined to agree with your assessment of the scenario.  :beermug:
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: Peong on June 20, 2013, 04:32:36 PM
:rotfl:  Yeah yuh lost, first Hart is as foreign as they come, now he's a Trini  :rotfl:

???

Where is this contradiction in jus cool post?

It there in the posts, doh make meh put it in quotes, jc go say ah stalkin him.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: just cool on June 20, 2013, 06:00:30 PM
:rotfl:  Yeah yuh lost, first Hart is as foreign as they come, now he's a Trini  :rotfl:

???

Where is this contradiction in jus cool post?

It there in the posts, doh make meh put it in quotes, jc go say ah stalkin him.
stuueeppsss, yuhs ah girl or what??

all this mama man talk bout i say this and that and tralalalala, you would swear that ah man on trial for his life or sumting. ssttuueeepppssss!!!

and all this would not even be an issue if you knew how to read and analyze what yuh read. i went through this wid sharks and contro, i eh think i want tuh go through that wid you nah.
 
FF since yuh ask i will repeat what i said, verbatim. i said and i quote "all of ah sudden there's no mo talk about foreign coaches, though stephen hart is as foreign as you could get". the very next line was, " this man bounced from the scene 30 yrs ago, lived worked and learned his craft in canada, so it's safe to say he's ah transplanted canadian".

now where in that quote did i insert that this man was not ah native trinidadian?? hence the reason i used the transplanted canadian and played the xenophobic card, bc hart caught no flack from the local media.

this clown here always have tuh nitpick and put ppl on display, when he knows very well it was not my intention to portray hart as an all out foreigner.

this is real silly woman talk. when yuh see fellas behaving so, the only solution you could come up wid is that these fellas probably wore helmets when they was little oui, bc their reading comprehension skills lacking bad.

some fellas silly for so boy!
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: Peong on June 20, 2013, 09:04:53 PM
In the real world "as foreign as you can get" does not apply by any stretch of the imagination to a born Trini who migrated as a teen.
Of course you too sensitive to admit that.  All de gyul talk is just your insecurity showing, I eh go bother wit dat.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: davidephraim on June 20, 2013, 09:42:18 PM
My point basically was that we are a xenophobic society, and i used hart as an example of our xenophobia, bc the out rage dissipated from local media one day to another based on the nationality of the coach.

beenhakker was announced and the local fraternity when off, then hart was announced and they were silent, this was my point.

 even if hart was making more money than beenie it still would not incur such outrage, bc ah local boy was getting paid, but if the other way around? "ah foreigner getting ova on we stupid foreign struck trinis" would be the cry, this is my point.

i don't give ah fork if hart lived six months out the year in canada, and has ah castle in trinidad where he spends his winters, the point iz, he's coming home with knowledge and experience acquired in foreign, just like beenie coming with his wealth of knowledge from ah foreign land, which makes them foreign coaches!

i really hate tuh debate with fellas on here, bc they sooooo rigid in their analysis and seldom let things ride in order to see the bigger picture.

the only difference is hart is trinidadian and beenhakker is not!

Did Lincoln Phillips get his "wealth of knowledge" at home or abroad?  I think, in your attempt to make your Xenophobia point about TnT, you used a bad example. Plain and simple.

I don't think TnT would baulk at Mourinho or Ferguson coming; maybe  its the dutchman who is the problem here. Maybe people are looking at what he's done for TnT - what he could do for TnT- and if it worth 1 mil TT/mth.

Maybe is time TnT went with the Italian style as opposed to the dutch!
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: Socapro on June 21, 2013, 01:08:53 AM
My point basically was that we are a xenophobic society, and i used hart as an example of our xenophobia, bc the out rage dissipated from local media one day to another based on the nationality of the coach.

beenhakker was announced and the local fraternity when off, then hart was announced and they were silent, this was my point.

 even if hart was making more money than beenie it still would not incur such outrage, bc ah local boy was getting paid, but if the other way around? "ah foreigner getting ova on we stupid foreign struck trinis" would be the cry, this is my point.

i don't give ah fork if hart lived six months out the year in canada, and has ah castle in trinidad where he spends his winters, the point iz, he's coming home with knowledge and experience acquired in foreign, just like beenie coming with his wealth of knowledge from ah foreign land, which makes them foreign coaches!

i really hate tuh debate with fellas on here, bc they sooooo rigid in their analysis and seldom let things ride in order to see the bigger picture.

the only difference is hart is trinidadian and beenhakker is not!

Did Lincoln Phillips get his "wealth of knowledge" at home or abroad?  I think, in your attempt to make your Xenophobia point about TnT, you used a bad example. Plain and simple.

I don't think TnT would baulk at Mourinho or Ferguson coming; maybe  its the dutchman who is the problem here. Maybe people are looking at what he's done for TnT - what he could do for TnT- and if it worth 1 mil TT/mth.

Maybe is time TnT went with the Italian style as opposed to the dutch!
I think we might be going with our own style seeing that the coach is Trini and knows the strengths and weaknesses of our players.  :beermug:
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: just cool on June 21, 2013, 04:42:22 AM
Fack it i'm tired of being accommodating so here's what!!

all who don't like what i said could eat sh!t cakes and bark @ the moon! simple.

i was trying to be kind but allyuh force meh hand! in reality T&T is ah sh!t hole!! yes from the top to the bottom, yes i said it! i've never seen anything on that island that has redeeming qualities as far as the leaders and the masses was concerned. you ppl are 200 yrs behind and yuhs need to play catch up, and real fast.

the only thing that has kept T&T up in the eyes of the world was the grass roots ppl who were exceptional, that made it through in spite of all the mismanagement, and believe me there was and still is gross mismanagement going on on that bastard rock!!

trinidad is ah blessed country, but cursed @ the same time, it's blessed with natural beauty, natural resources, wonderful climate, great cuisine, a great history, overly talented ppl, and @ one time, imo that is, one of the most tranquil places on earth,

but it's also cursed!! with white collar thieves, sheep like masses, uncaring politicians, backward xenophobic ppl who hate positive change, bad minded detractors with no vision, who's only purpose is to hurt progress (jack warner, ANR robinson, carl hudson phillips, basdeo panday, watson duke, dexter skeene, just to name ah few).

to show you how dastardly of a society T&T is, could you imagine in 1985 T&T had less than 1 million ppl with the 3rd best GDP in the western hemisphere, who had a heavy oil boom with no substantial debt, yet in 1985, after making hundreds of billion from the oil boom, the Treasury was damn near empty,

and here's the gist, we are a small island 37 x 50 miles yet we had the same infrastructure that was left by the crown, so after 23 yrs of independence and hundreds of billion later, all we could musta up was a hospital which was a white elephant for a long time (eric williams med complex) a stadium HSC, and a highway butler HWY??

and to add injury, most of our ambitious ppl had to run out the place bc there was no opportunity to be had! and the worst part, the ppl never held the government to account, but rather, made excuses for their failure just bc we are a ppl who hate to hear the truth.

we all know what happens when your brightest young minds leave your shores for greener pastures? yes, your country suffers, it's called a brain drain!! that's why T&T is in the condition that it finds itself in today with the crime and lawlessness. half of the ambitious ppl left and most of the duds stayed and made more duds!

so all who talking bout i like to bring down the country have some fackin gall! i don't need to do that, bc the visionless leaders already did it for me! so allyuh could keep trinidad, the only fackin thing i like bout T&T is the football, and yuh dun know the condition that's in! 

trinis who live in foreign have so much nerve that it erks me to my very core tuh hear them talk sometimes! they hate tuh hear anything critical bout trinidad, constructive or other wise.

they also love to paint this image of a fabulous trinidad just bc two weeks out of the yr they get to go down there and shake their arses and forget abou life for a while, then they come back braying bout how trini nice, yet they dare not repatriate!

it nice bc they don't have to deal with mass inflation, escalating heinous violent crime with a corrupt police force @ that, record high HIV rates, a terrible health care system, bad infrastructure, light and water cut offs, horrible customer service..... even worst than in some war torn countries, but they have the nerve to paint a picture of this utopia, just bc they are proud to be trinis. proud of what exactly??!!

these ppl can't get nothing right! just look @ how they took ah fine piece of music like soca and calypso and turned it into a watered down version of dub, imagine jamaicans telling me that we are copying their music bc soca was sh!t and they wanted tuh make it more marketable so they mixing it with dub, which everyone who knows music know that dub only have two fackin chords if so much.

so we trade ah better musical formula for ah two chord disaster. hek we even trade ah peaceful society to follow the yanks and the yardies with their barbarism.  what a smart ppl you are!

like i said, who doh like it, bite it!    :cursing:

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: kounty on June 21, 2013, 05:23:38 AM
JC i ent read your last post, but sometimes it good to be just be cool and not try to offend. I'm sure i'm not the only person who thinks your main observation is valid - ie Hoopla for Beenie, none for Hart -> Theory behind observation: Xenophobia. Perfectly logical, and i haven't seen a better Theory put forward to explain your observation. good.
Palos Reply #134 (thanx Pro for demonstrating that you could even do that), your observation there have me wary amid all the excitement on the board over the last week. Just the modus of how everything went down leave a sour taste in my mouth. Remind me of how Jack would operate. Slightly more refined. Make me wonder when Horner say time soon come for jack to step back in the picture (knowing how dotish a large segment of the population is). Whaz the scene. Eventually I want to know where the money come from.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: maxg on June 21, 2013, 09:42:03 AM
well I for one glad JC finally get all that off he chest...He doh like local Trini, doh like foreign trini. He is niether and both. He like the football, but it sucks, cause it's played and managed by the local and foreign trinis he doh like. What I also get is he hate heself, but there is hope, cause he has faced that truth, and if we face it too, be ashamed of weself, then we could actively persue(not sure why we doing that if we hate it) all that we don't like and fix it(not sure if is the country or weself) to the point where we can like it(country & self) again. But we afraid of change & foreign, so we not listening to nobody, cause we doh like nobody...simple  :devil:
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: just cool on June 21, 2013, 09:59:54 AM
well I for one glad JC finally get all that off he chest...He doh like local Trini, doh like foreign trini. He is niether and both. He like the football, but it sucks, cause it's played and managed by the local and foreign trinis he doh like. What I also get is he hate heself, but there is hope, cause he has faced that truth, and if we face it too, be ashamed of weself, then we could actively persue(not sure why we doing that if we hate it) all that we don't like and fix it(not sure if is the country or weself) to the point where we can like it(country & self) again. But we afraid of change & foreign, so we not listening to nobody, cause we doh like nobody...simple  :devil:
Spoken like ah true trini, always talk like they on to something, but in the end it's all for laughs and put downs.

yuhs ah fella who love the sound of yuh own voice (it seems) bc every time you post folks need ah mind reader to decipher what you typed, bc for the most part it's written in abstract gibberish and sounds like babbling, yet i don't trip bc maybe that's how yuh get off.

it's funny how you could come up with the fact that i hate myself simply bc i don't rate trinidad like yuhs do, hek, if i rate ah place sooo much, yuh better believe i would be living there full time.

but just like i mentioned in my last post, foreign based love to big up trini especially after they've  vacationed there for a week, but would never consider living there for fear of crime, poverty, lack of opportunity and modern conveniences.

yet if anyone has the balls to disagree, then they are seen as unpatriotic or self haters and is greeted with great contempt, go figure.

sometimes i feel like you ppl deserve every thing yuh get and more from your leaders, sometimes i like to think ah few jack warners would be good for trinbago, mamaguye you and take your sh!t while telling you how great you are!

mamagism that's what we love, but please don't ever speak the truth, "don't you know we don't like that kinda talk around here? it's offensive and self loathing"  (in their best southern confederate twang).
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: maxg on June 21, 2013, 10:27:43 AM
naaah..me not putting you down. I have been wrong many times before, won't be the first. Yet if you don't consider what you wrote a put down, then how can you say what i did is ? True, I don't write properly, i'm not as knowledgable and expressive as many, thus the reason for the abstract gibberish. Thanks for your not tripping on my "gettin off" on my own post, as you did say,"all who don't like what i said could eat sh!t cakes and bark @ the moon!" So thanks for allowing me that. True, I rate Trinidad highly, but I do agree, there are way to many negative issues, but it's not all so bad, that  I will hate everybody living there and those that comment how they love it, foreigeners & expatriates alike. I wish I could afford to live there and someday make a difference, but unfortunately, i wouldn't know how to raise a family there, as I spent my adult development here, but hopefully one day I could contribute and/or assist in helping those that I can. I glad you are able to live in a place you rate so much, many ppl can't afford that. Yet, would love if you write more on that place that you rate so highly and all the reasons why ? As this is a public Forum (football section) give us a blog on that team is ok by me.

add: Right now, I feel so homeless.  ;D

just realized you added a bit more..will i get another serving of shitcakes if I comment...or only you could speak the truth ?
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: sjahrain on June 21, 2013, 11:01:14 AM
We got the best of both worlds with SH..A local who made his mark inforeign now this foreigner has returned to being local....  :devil:.Who came to us on the recommendation of another foreigener,who has the respect of many Warriors
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: Socapro on June 21, 2013, 11:23:49 AM
We got the best of both worlds with SH..A local who made his mark inforeign now this foreigner has returned to being local....  :devil:.Who came to us on the recommendation of another foreigener,who has the respect of many Warriors
:beermug:
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: maxg on June 21, 2013, 11:36:55 AM
We got the best of both worlds with SH..A local who made his mark inforeign now this foreigner has returned to being local....  :devil:.Who came to us on the recommendation of another foreigener,who has the respect of many Warriors
:beermug:
my only issue is a BeenE value for dollar on the 2 mth issue. And agree with Palos post
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: Quags on June 21, 2013, 11:32:24 PM
We got the best of both worlds with SH..A local who made his mark inforeign now this foreigner has returned to being local....  :devil:.Who came to us on the recommendation of another foreigener,who has the respect of many Warriors
:beermug:
my only issue is a BeenE value for dollar on the 2 mth issue. And agree with Palos post
Oh you mean 2 months for him to try to help us through the Gold Cup ?Then we decide if to retain him .Seems like a good idea to me .
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: Sam on June 22, 2013, 06:21:28 AM
So wired868.com is de new TnT Mirror or Inquire, de man just writing on bunch of gossip to get hits.

Sheldon Phillips is base in T&T since he got the position.

Lasana loosing points here, he quick quick to write ah bags ah ass.

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: royal on June 22, 2013, 09:57:46 AM
So wired868.com is de new TnT Mirror or Inquire, de man just writing on bunch of gossip to get hits.

Sheldon Phillips is base in T&T since he got the position.

Lasana loosing points here, he quick quick to write ah bags ah ass.



he trying to jump de gun but sometimes his story not totally accurate,have some half truths and innuendos in dem
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: Bakes on June 22, 2013, 11:13:13 AM
he trying to jump de gun but sometimes his story not totally accurate,have some half truths and innuendos in dem

Lasana is a very good writer and an even better journalist.  In my layman's opinion, he is among the best we have in TnT, but he does let himself get sidetracked by too much shit.  He needs an editor working with him, rather than being his own editor.  Not just for proofing, but also for content.  He needs to streamline his focus or better separate his hats.  Report when reporting... and save the editorializing and commentary for his columns.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS...... Stephen Hart is Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach.
Post by: frico on June 22, 2013, 12:01:01 PM
I used to live a few houses away from the Harts in Park Street,Sando,Skinner Park was just over the road,whenever I was in Skinner Park I used to see him as a little boy with his father.I think he had a sister named Jenny.
Title: SH Nickname
Post by: triniairman on August 31, 2013, 08:40:31 PM
I just realize that we have not given SH a nickname yet. Every coach get one, except for him.  So far I see Harty, but that sounding to soft. Any ideas? Come good, cause you know the papers going and take it and run with it.

I drew blank, it should be something brave, cause he ain't scared to make changes when man not performing, unlike a certain coach we had.
Title: Re: SH Nickname
Post by: Tallman on August 31, 2013, 08:54:24 PM
I drew blank, it should be something brave, cause he ain't scared to make changes when man not performing, unlike a certain coach we had.


BraveHart  ;D

(http://sleeplessthought.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/braveheart9502.jpg)
Title: Re: SH Nickname
Post by: triniairman on August 31, 2013, 09:38:59 PM
 :applause: :applause: :applause: First nomination and it has a nice ring to it. I'm not sure anything would beat this!! BraveHart!!!

I could see that poster with SH face and the name "BraveHart" with the writing "What kind of man would defy the TTFA"  ;D
Title: Re: SH Nickname
Post by: Football supporter on August 31, 2013, 10:09:49 PM
:applause: :applause: :applause: First nomination and it has a nice ring to it. I'm not sure anything would beat this!! BraveHart!!!

I could see that poster with SH face and the name "BraveHart" with the writing "What kind of man would defy the TTFA Anil"  ;D
Fixed it for you!! :beermug:
Title: Re: SH Nickname
Post by: Socapro on September 01, 2013, 08:02:17 PM
Yeah Bravehart sounds good!
Someone needs to do the artwork for the updated poster!
And please make sure Bravehart is wearing the new T&T top and that you get the details for the credits and supporting cast right! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: SH Nickname
Post by: OutsideMan on September 02, 2013, 02:37:57 PM
I drew blank, it should be something brave, cause he ain't scared to make changes when man not performing, unlike a certain coach we had.


BraveHart  ;D

(http://sleeplessthought.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/braveheart9502.jpg)

Tallman, I agree!  "BRAVEHART".   ;D
Title: Re: SH Nickname
Post by: D.H.W on September 02, 2013, 02:48:55 PM
Call him by his name. He dont need no nickname.
Title: Re: SH Nickname
Post by: KND2 on September 02, 2013, 08:02:25 PM
The man nick name is SH he had it before he get the work
Title: Re: SH Nickname
Post by: triniairman on September 02, 2013, 10:32:52 PM
Nothing wrong with giving him a nickname, our last few coaches got one. SH is the man initials, but if thats what you all want to call him, then so be it. I like that BraveHart, and I will call him that from now on  ;D
Title: Hart tells students, do it for each other (Newsday)
Post by: vb on September 30, 2013, 01:53:38 PM
LINK (http://www.socawarriors.net/mens-senior-team/senior-team-news/senior-team-news/12970-hart-tells-students-to-do-it-for-each-other.html)


Hart tells students do it for each other
Monday, September 30 2013


MOMENTS AFTER hearing the news of Akeem Adams suffering a heart attack in Hungary on Thursday, national football team coach Stephen Hart was standing before hundreds of students and aspiring professional footballers at his alma-mater St Benedict’s College in La Romain.

Hart, who played for the former South Zone giants before migrating to Canada, was invited by the school to address the students. He told the students that the 22-year-old Adams would have come out of the unfortunate experience on a successful note, if even he didn’t manage to return to the game as a player.

“This morning we received some very sad news about one of our players Akeem Adams. He suffered a heart attack in Hungary after a training session with his club. Our prayers and thoughts are with him and his family but when he comes out of this… he would have been successful still even if his career does not continue as a player but he would have fought through an ordeal and survived it and we can learn from that,” Hart said.

Continuing his address, Hart appealed to them to have each other’s back on and off the football pitch, adding that every lesson learnt in the game can be applied to everyday life.

“It’s completely a team effort. Yes you admire the individual but you always have to admire the team. The best player will not function as good as they can if the team is not functioning well. You do everything for the team and sometimes you may not like it,” Hart said.

He used Kazakhstan-based defender Robert Primus as a prime example of one who did it for the team during the recent OSN Cup in Saudi Arabia during which Trinidad and Tobago defeated the hosts 3-1.

“I said to him ‘Primus we have no left back here and you have to play it ... no problem boss was his response.’ Now I know he was not happy but he went out there and he did his job. Then he said boss ‘next time play me in the right position’. And guess what, the next game I had to use him in the same position and he said to me ‘no problem boss’.”

Primus not only did his job as a defender but he also had an assist on two goals for Kevin Molino and Kenwyne Jones.

“You have to have each other’s back. Say to your teammate ‘I will cover you...so get your act together’. And tomorrow he must have your back.”

Hart continued, “one day your teammate may not have the best game. And after the game you give him a hug and say okay today you didn’t have a good day. Tomorrow you better have my back. And then when all things are equal, you need somebody to play above themselves. Someone who can carry the team, who can raise the level. Ronaldo raises the level, Messi raises the level and Dwight Yorke raised the level.”

Hart concluded by saying, “I’ll tell you this… football speaks everything. It taught me everything. It taught me every lesson that I learnt up to today. You have to be committed, you have to have respect, you have to work hard and you have to have the desire to achieve. It all applies to life in many ways.”

Title: Rumors on Hart
Post by: ANC2 on December 29, 2013, 02:54:38 PM
Should not post unless confirmed, then again it is a rumor nothing more.

Spoke  to a good friend in Canada yesterday & he is also friendly with SH family.

Talk is SH is ill and on top of that may not return to Trinbago as he has been offered a MLS post.

Anyone here can confirm this? DO not shoot the messenger
Title: Re: Rumors on Hart
Post by: vb on December 29, 2013, 03:31:42 PM
Well I ill right now. and dat doh mean one ass.

Ill is no kinda news unless it's something like cancer.

Re. MLS, cah see why he would choose that over TT seeing that things seem to be slowly falling into place.

Rumour - was a good title for this thread.

VB
Title: Re: Rumors on Hart
Post by: maxg on December 29, 2013, 05:40:00 PM
If is a east coast team, still both still doable, as long as they don't mind..Winston SoSo comes to mind  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Rumors on Hart
Post by: palos on December 29, 2013, 07:11:11 PM
If is a east coast team, still both still doable, as long as they don't mind..Winston SoSo comes to mind  :rotfl:
Lemme take a WILD GUESS that YOU hopin said east coast team is de Montreal Impact :devil:
Title: Re: Rumors on Hart
Post by: asylumseeker on December 29, 2013, 08:24:42 PM
If is a east coast team, still both still doable, as long as they don't mind..Winston SoSo comes to mind  :rotfl:
Lemme take a WILD GUESS that YOU hopin said east coast team is de Montreal Impact :devil:

Doh toy wid Max nah.  ;D   :devil: Montreal brought in a new coach 10 days ago.
Title: Re: Rumors on Hart
Post by: maxg on December 29, 2013, 09:31:11 PM
If is a east coast team, still both still doable, as long as they don't mind..Winston SoSo comes to mind  :rotfl:
Lemme take a WILD GUESS that YOU hopin said east coast team is de Montreal Impact :devil:

Doh toy wid Max nah.  ;D   :devil: Montreal brought in a new coach 10 days ago.
damn  :pissedoff:
Title: Re: Rumors on Hart
Post by: Tiresais on December 30, 2013, 04:05:43 AM
Well there are like two or three new teams next year right? Really hope Hart doesn't leave us!
Title: Re: Rumors on Hart
Post by: JRtheWriter on December 30, 2013, 12:51:44 PM
Well there are like two or three new teams next year right? Really hope Hart doesn't leave us!

In the MLS. There's 2. NYFC and Orlando. NYFC already have their coach in Jason Kries. He'll be in Europe with Manchester City scouting and all of that good stuff. Orlando may have given him a call but I think the only other coaching position available in the MLS right now after all the off season signings are the Colorado Rapids.
Title: Stephen Hart Thread.
Post by: Flex on October 13, 2014, 06:53:52 AM
Coach Hart sets goal to take Soca Warriors to the World Cup again.
By Nasser Khan (Guardian).


After honing his football coaching skills in Canada for a number of years, his last assignment as that country’s national men’s senior team coach, 54-year-old Stephen Hart has been in the unenviable role as T&T’s Soca Warriors’ newest national coach.

It’s a position he had longed for when he started thinking about plans to return to the land of his birth. Early years before, he headed off to Canada to further his studies in his late teens and to hopefully continue playing the sport he so loved. When the T&T Football Federation (TTFA) expressed an interest in his services in 2013, a position he keenly coveted, Hart jumped at the opportunity.

Today, he is at the helm of a group of senior players, many of whom ply their skills around the world in various teams and leagues all with different styles of playing the game. Therein lies the unenviable challenge of coach Hart, that of bringing together as many as 20 selected players recently chosen to represent the T&T Soca Warriors.

Although San Fernando is where his roots lie, Hart also spent time in Tobago where his parents moved to when he was 17. Among his relatives are cousins Gregory and Richard “Dickie” Hart, who both cycled for T&T, as well as masman, uncle Edmond Hart. He is an avid Panorama fan and a keen supporter of the Fonclaire steel band.
H
is first assignment came in July 2013 when he became the second coach, after Bertille St Clair, to take the Warriors into the knockout stage of the Gold Cup competition. Hart grew up in the era of late St Benedict’s College principal Dom Basil Matthews and with people like Leroy De Leon, Warren Archibald, Steve David, Bobby Sookram, Wilfred Cave and Jan Steadman as some of his local heroes. He played for the under-14 junior and senior teams.

After Matthews retired, the college withdrew from the schools’ competition to focus on its academics instead of football. At the age of 15, young Hart joined the popular Juniors and Hurricanes teams and played alongside Leroy Spann, Peter Mitchell, Bert Neptune and Michael Maurice in the Southern Football Association. He then played with Texaco before heading off to Halifax, Canada, to pursue studies in marine geography.

“I always liked the sea and thought I would one day return to Trinidad and do environmental resource management. In fact, in 1986 I applied for a job hoping to become involved in coral reef management and helping in the preservation of marine life, but that didn’t pan out,” he said.

Hart’s first coaching gig came in 1989 at semi-professional team Halifax King of Donair as player/coach. Ten years later, his career really took off when he was hired as a coach for Nova Scotia, an ice hockey country and province, taking the participation in soccer to an unprecedented level there.

“There were 3,000 players in the province when I started, and there were 30,000 when I left,” Hart said. T&T’s latest round of matches are currently taking place in the 2014 Caribbean Cup semi-final qualifying, and coach Hart has high hopes that his Soca Warrior charges will put their best feet forward as he strives to put T&T on the world football stage once again.

Q: Where were you born, and where did you grow up?
A: Born in San Fernando, grew up in Marabella and La Romain.

What schools/institutions did you attend?
San Fernando Boys’ Government School, same school as Michael Maurice and Bert Neptune; St Benedicts College; St Mary’s University Halifax graduate 1985.

What teams did you play for?
T&T First Division: San Fernando Hurricanes 1975-79; Texaco FC 1979-80; San Fernando Strikers 1982; T&T Premier League; Halifax Privateers 1981; Americas 1988-89; King of Donair 1983-1998; and T&T National team, where I was selected under Alvin Corneal in 1980 but departed soon after for university.

When and how did you get into coaching?
Just wanted to help youngsters enjoy the game, so I volunteered with children under 12 while still at university.

Who are the people who influenced and inspired you the most, in your career and in life in general?
So many touched your life in a special way as you grow: some encourage, some develop, some educate. It’s hard to single out individuals. Obviously my family, father and mother, whom were always supportive but never interfered. My youth and senior coach Ken Headley, who was a deep thinker of the game and encouraged me to do the same, and many of my teammates, both locally and abroad. A gentleman who gave me my first real coaching job, George Athanasiou, he took a chance on me.

Coaching has taken you to many countries. As a coach, which countries have you been to?
Wow! I have been to over 50 countries and I always go to football. However, in studying football and coaching, I have been to Spain, France, Netherlands, Mexico, Argentina, Brazil, Germany and Portugal.

Who was your hero growing up and why? Your favourite footballers?
Locally, Leroy DeLeon, Peter Mitchell, Leroy Spann, Leon Carpette, Bert Neptune, Steve Khan. All had something different to observe and learn from. Not to mention they were entertaining. Internationally, Pele, Beckenbauer, Overath, Cruyff and Maradona

What are some of your coaching achievements?
Taking Canada to a Gold Cup semi final (2007) and quarter final (2009). I lead Halifax King of Donair as a player/coach, and coach to four consecutive league titles and six cups. However, for me, that was not important. The young players who played under me and went on to represent their country and play professionally are way more important achievements. There were many and I was not the only influence, just happy to have contributed.

What is your coaching schedule for the next year, and what are your plans for the future?
My schedule is largely dependent upon the funding of the T&T football programme. At present, I cannot answer that question with any certainty. However, the CFU Tournaments of October and November are a priority. I will also assist if required with the Under-17 and Under-20 teams.

What is a typical practice like?
It depends...unlike a club, the national teams have limited preparation time, usually four days. Recovery and rest have to be measured. Physically, we keep the players sharp with speed and power exercises incorporating the ball. Our training is usually very specific and tactical in nature, outside of the physical element. We also work very hard at creating working relationships between the playing lines.

What is your coaching philosophy?
I always get scared at the word coaching philosophy. The TEAM is the most important factor, no one person is more or less important. Play for each other, bring your quality to the game, be dynamic, and play for the result. I want us to control the tempo of the game when we are in possession. Situational awareness is important for this. We should recognise when we need to build versus counter. When we are not in possession, try to also exert control by forcing our opponent to play uncomfortably. If we don’t have this balance in how we play, we will be weakened as a team.

What are some of the things that need improving in T&T’s football?
Believe me, I do not have all the answers, we have some excellent minds here. Player development needs consistency and continuity across the board. It must be measurable and subject to evaluation without being seen as criticism.

Coaching development and education are two different things. It cannot be general, we need to identify the strengths of our coaches and place them where they can contribute and have the most impact. There are no secrets…compete on the field, work together off it. We need to work together to make an overall better product.

By this, I mean both players and the game…administrators, managers, coaches, players, schools, clubs, referees, grounds men, media. Everybody working for the good...the betterment of the game.
I have not even touched on the other potential economic spin-offs of an efficient product. A better product with continuous development and progression means we all keep working within the game.

Do you foresee T&T making it to the World Cup again as we did in 2006?
Why not? But it needs careful planning and nurturing with realistic timelines. We have the talent. If we say right “Project 2022” and develop a macro/micro plan, with consistent financial support and varied international exposure, it is very possible.

What advice would you give to the young people of T&T?
Education comes in many forms, especially today, understand that learning has no roof. Develop yourself daily and pursue your dreams with dynamic enthusiasm and passion.

Of all your accolades, prizes and awards which do you rate as extremely special?
Nothing material! Coming from T&T and making it in a foreign country as a coach and technical director of Canada. This is a bit ironic, I recently had a young man who played for me, a quality player, now a doctor, contact me and said, “I always wanted to thank you for the influence you had in my life, especially those times when I wanted to quit medical school.”

What goals and or ambitions do you still have?
To remain in football and coaching as long as possible. I would love to have a real positive impact on T&T football. Qualifying for the World Cup once again is the goal, pun intended.

What motto do you live by, and what is your recipe for success?
Simplicity is genius. Be compassionate with people but hard on problems.

Describe yourself in two words, one beginning with S, the other with H…your initials?
Simple and happy!

Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread.
Post by: FF on October 13, 2014, 07:18:13 AM
Real nice interview. Good job Nasser Khan
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread.
Post by: doc on October 13, 2014, 07:44:11 AM
The local "Happy one"  ;D
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread.
Post by: Socapro on October 13, 2014, 07:54:23 AM
Good read and very informative.  :beermug:
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread.
Post by: Banter Banton on October 13, 2014, 09:47:28 AM
Boss coach.

Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread.
Post by: injunchile on October 13, 2014, 09:54:00 AM
Remind me of the Song' I'm So Happy'- well it is good that we have a Happy Coach.
 Let us the fans support and the players produce on the field and all T& T would be happy.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread.
Post by: Deeks on October 13, 2014, 10:07:56 AM
We winning. So everybody happy! That is normal
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread.
Post by: Coach on October 13, 2014, 10:08:40 AM
We are very fortunate to have a good local lad as our coach!

It's a bonus when a coach knows and understand the culture of his players by actually living and learning the game in the same environment.   
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread.
Post by: Controversial on October 13, 2014, 11:12:40 AM
good going harty... i heard a lot of the halifax stories from my uncles  :D he changed the landscape of football in canada... so when men talk about harty not being good enough for TT, i juss laugh at their ignorance...
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread.
Post by: amwood on October 13, 2014, 12:10:07 PM
The man is a boss!
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread.
Post by: Sam on October 14, 2014, 09:00:07 AM
Bull them hard Hartie.

Nice interview and good job with de T&T team, best coach we had in a long time.

And he is Trini born and bred.

Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread.
Post by: Flex on October 19, 2014, 01:50:06 AM
Hart hints of squad tweaks for CFU Cup.
T&T Guardian Reports.


A generally strong performance at the T&T leg of qualifiers for the Men’s Caribbean Cup has not convinced national head coach Stephen Hart that he has had the most suitable players and he has now suggested that changes for next month’s main CFU event may be on the cards.

In a brief interview with the Guardian, Hart said his focus at this time is to see the team qualify for the Gold Cup and nothing more.

The upcoming CFU Caribbean Cup serves the purpose of qualification for next year’s Concacaf Gold Cup. All four semifinalists will qualify for the Gold Cup, while the best third-placed finisher from the two groups will enter a playoff against Honduras, the fifth-placed finisher at the Copa Centroamericana.

There is also the added incentive of the CFU Caribbean Cup champion earning a spot at the 2016 Centennial Copa America. That event will include all Comnebol teams including traditional world powerhouses in Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay, as well as host country USA, Mexico, Costa Rica and three other Concacaf teams.

But, Hart has opted to put his focus on one objective for now. “The objective is to qualify for the Gold Cup. To think about a one-off tournament (Copa America) in 2016 for me is losing sight of what is important right now for T&T. We are going to the tournament with an aim to win it...

The Copa America is just an added incentive,” Hart said. Hart was installed as head coach last year, just before the start of the biennial Gold Cup and led the team to its second ever berth into the knockout stage. Bertille St Clair first led T&T to the knockout stage of the Gold Cup in 2000.

At the recent CFU second round qualifying Group A hosted in T&T, the “Soca Warriors” secured wins over the Dominican Republic (6-1), St Lucia (2-0) and Antigua/Barbuda (1-0), respectively, earlier this month to easily advance to next month’s CFU Caribbean Cup finals in Jamaica.

And, topping the group meant T&T avoided being pitted with the host nation. On November 11, T&T will meet Curacao in the tournament opener, then French Guiana two days later and finally Cuba in the third Group A match on November 15.

Jamaica’s Group B, meanwhile, includes Haiti, Antigua/Barbuda and Martinique. The two group winners will meet in the final on November 17 at the Montego Bay Sports Complex, Montego Bay, following the third-place playoff featuring the two group runners-up.

Hart gave no indication of potential targets for the official Caribbean Cup squad but suggested that there was the potential of changes to be made as he remains unconvinced with the lack of playing time with some of the players at their clubs.

He said, “Far too many of our players in the last set of games had not played consistently enough with their clubs, for various reasons.”

Turning his attention to the initial Caribbean Cup opponents, Hart added: “The group can be a tricky one, Curacao tied with French Guiana, tied with Martnique and beat Guadeloupe, to qualify, while FG tied with Haiti (and) beat St Kitts and Barbados for their qualification...

Then of course there is Cuba, who are always well prepared and have a good young team mixed with experience. If we are not at our best all three team can take points off us.

He continued, “Tournaments are always tricky fixtures. Anything can happen. Most of the teams in our group would have time to prepare as a unit. This is an advantage for them. Any team can take points from you. With so many games and the limited rest and recovery, you need to remain healthy and stay away from card trouble.”

Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread.
Post by: Deeks on October 19, 2014, 08:07:41 AM
Call up Johnathan Glenn! Mr. Hart.
Title: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: Flex on November 21, 2014, 02:57:44 AM
Hart to TTFA: We need to sit and talk about future.
T&T Express Reports.


December decision

Head coach of the senior men’s team Stephen Hart, has not yet made a decision about his future with the national team.

Hart, who had gone unpaid for several months before yesterday’s payout of arrears by the Government, told the Express at the Office of the Prime Minister in St Clair yesterday, “I would leave them (TTFA) alone right now.

They have the Women’s World Cup effort to deal with, but maybe over the December period or after the Christmas period we need to get together.”

Even though Hart, his technical staff and the players received their cheques yesterday, the mood in St Clair was not celebratory.

And asked if he would reconsider his future with the national team if certain conditions weren’t met, Hart said: “I think I need to sit down and evaluate the way forward and as I said, it is for the association (TTFA) to convince that they have a plan to go forward because we need a lot of things. We need to play more football...more training games we need go to training camps, we can’t just enter tournaments blind,”

He added: “When I start something, I really want to finish it. I have a great bunch of players not just those that went to Jamaica but some that didn’t make the camp. They are tremendously supportive, they have worked hard, they love the playing for their country.”

Also at yesterday’s cheque distribution was TTFA general secretary Sheldon Phillips.

He acknowledged that the football body still owed $12 million to previous coaches, technical staff members, vendors and also still had to pay off debts related to the Local Organising Committee (LOC) for the Women’s Under-17 2010 World Cup.

However, he was confident that there would not be a reoccurrence of lapses in payment to the current staff and players in 2015.

“One of the main revenues streams that we do anticipate that would come to fruition soon is the establishment of commercial partners and sponsorships...so I think 2015 is going to be much different from 2014, much different from 2013 and you’ll start to see that process that we have employed bring some fruits.”

Phillips added: “I think in the end we are gratified with the partnership and the relationship with the Government that allowed us to get to this point and take care of the senior men’s teams. We look forward to taking care of the youth teams as well.”

Hart also expects a change in how the TTFA operates.

“The players can’t be going into games and not in the frame of mind where all they have to worry about is the game,” he stressed.

Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: PATRIOT on November 21, 2014, 05:11:25 AM
I vote he stays...but under the right circumstances, meaning the TTFA must take care of his needs, and NOT just financially, but with a proper schedule of matches against quality opposition, ensure access to players, have training camps, staff and players must be paid on time and proper arrangements for their  comfort too. This is the first time in a long while that I have seen a T&T team show continuous improvement and there is evidence of team cohesion. I would hate to see all the progress we have made under SH lost by his departure and I hope he stays, but will respect his decision to leave if his needs as Coach are not being met by the TTFA.
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: de_redman on November 21, 2014, 05:19:20 AM
I vote that he goes! Enough is enough! If I think about his best interest, then he should go! There is no indication that this kind of treatment is going to change any time soon. There will always be arrears and suffering until some entity like government jumps in and gives a bailout and pappyshows everyone in front of the press. How embarrassing!
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: spideybuff on November 21, 2014, 05:55:24 AM
Beenie ever took the job when he "recommend" Hart? Nobody should work for the TTFA unless they want to work for free.
You pay for what you get.
If I not getting paid regularly, despite the promise of backpay, the same performance and motivation will not be with me day in, day out on the job.
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: injunchile on November 21, 2014, 06:56:12 AM
Hart's heart is in the right place and it seems that he has the respect of the players.
 Secondly he is honest about the Team's performances and does not make silly excuses.
 He gives a detail analysis about his game plan/ strategy which can empower young coaches reading his narrative. I like his [philosophy of finishing what he started, that shows integrity. I feel that he would like to take this Team to the world Cup qualifiers.
 Having accentuated the positive any professional Coach would want some assurances about the Way forward.
 So unless TTFA get their act together , I cannot see any Coach working under these trying conditions.
Harts should be warned that Results is the name of the Game and the Gold Cup is his first measuring tape. It is time we realize that it cannot be business as usual.
 We need to focus on what we are going to rather than what we are going through.
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: socalion on November 21, 2014, 10:29:37 AM
I  certainly vote he stays  provided the way forward is clearly outlined!!
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: g on November 21, 2014, 10:32:54 AM
I struggle with the FA, why haven't they put together a bailout proposal? Everything seems so short term focused, so they clean up some arrears. More is still outstanding and no tangible streams yet realized for the future so by mid 2015 they are back in further debt again. Yes the governmet has a part to play but even the state would look at these last minute requests with a bit of exaspiration. This is not how you run an orgnaization.

There needs to be one proposal.
Comprehensive debt analysis to clean the books - $$
1, 3 and 5 year cost forecast for all programs, all age levels, male and female. This should include:
Fixed administrative costs - Corporate Real Estate, Accounting, Audits
Fixed Salaries - Coaches and other technical and admin staff that are under contract
Variable costs that could be broken down:
Marketing
Tournaments (including transport, accomodation and performance mangement bonus incentives for players and technical staff)
Development Programs (Player and coach development, licensing, any other certification)

So after you quantify your costing.
Highlight the provisions and subventions from FIFA as expected revenue
Highlight the annual potential revenue via revenue earning initiatives
Request a provision from the state to cover the balance with an annual accounting and audit exercise to determine how much from the provision you actually need based on realized revenue from the earning initiatives.
Revise all your plans annually to evaluate your direction, success or failures and replan.
Is about a month worth of work!

Tim Kee and Phillips need to sit with their TD and come up with their plans put it in a powerpoint, put on their best suit and meet with the state. No time like the present where it's an election year and the state is looking for goodwill with the public so strategically it could work if they put some public awareness around this. 
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: elan on November 21, 2014, 10:53:28 AM
Sheldon Phillil said he has not heard any rumirs of Coach Hart wanting to Quit. So......


Also, I am -as usual- confused. Phillips said they cleared debt going back 2 years from the last check they recieved. Yet they still owe $12 million dollars?
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: Deeks on November 21, 2014, 11:05:05 AM
Everyone here, should put themselves in Hart's position. if you all feel you are glouton for punishment, then we will see you remaining in TT going thru the same rigmarole over and over. The other option is to ship out.
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: soccerman on November 21, 2014, 11:32:37 AM
I will personally will like to see coach Hart stay! TTFA should do everything in their power to ensure this, try to listen to what he's saying and give a full effort to meet his demands/needs as a coach even if they have to turn night into day. Heck major organizations do that for the people they want.
The players respond to Hart and they believe in him and over the the past 15 months I have seen a remarkable turnaround in our team's progress. If coach Hart is on board, we can still qualify for the Copa 2015 if we have consisteint locals training, camps, quality friendlies, etc.

It's possible, I believe in Hart!

"T&T can still qualify for the 2015 Copa America but will have to do so by finishing among the two play-off winners among the four highest finishers in the 2015 Concacaf Gold Cup not already qualified, or finish winners of the 2015 Gold Cup."
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: Spursy on November 21, 2014, 11:40:44 AM
I suggest all of you stop worrying because none of us can control what happens. In my opinion Mr.Hart seems to know his team very well, this gives him a nod above the rest, if TTFA were to change/or Hart leaves, a new learning process, philosophy and team changes will occur.
We all know how this will go, maybe it will be for the best or not. Point is, we all know this sort of situation will happen again, what we need is fresh ideas on how the TTFA can market themselves in-order to maintain the paychecks of the staff, players and misc without major funding from the government of Trinidad and Tobago.
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: frico on November 21, 2014, 11:47:42 AM
Should Kenwynne Jones quit TT football?
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: asylumseeker on November 21, 2014, 11:52:07 AM
soccerman, correct! In Hart we trust! I would like to see the next evaluative benchmark occur after the Gold Cup. We are in the midst of a project in development, a work in progress that has had evident gains. Player ID has been beneficial and transparent. Pride has been restored. Outcomes have been promising and there is evidence of a core playing intention. We are not out the woods yet, but we could see the clearing under this dispensation.

As much as ah want him to stay de course to its emotional conclusion, my testimony is f**kery is something yuh haddah walk away from eventually. At the end of the day, he is at the center of the agony, and is best placed to evaluate the constraints, and do the cost-benefit analysis. Ah wish him well.  :beermug:

Whatever the path taken, no one can place a damper on his effort and contribution since taking the helm.
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: Bakes on November 21, 2014, 12:13:29 PM
I struggle with the FA, why haven't they put together a bailout proposal? Everything seems so short term focused, so they clean up some arrears. More is still outstanding and no tangible streams yet realized for the future so by mid 2015 they are back in further debt again. Yes the governmet has a part to play but even the state would look at these last minute requests with a bit of exaspiration. This is not how you run an orgnaization.

There needs to be one proposal.
Comprehensive debt analysis to clean the books - $$
1, 3 and 5 year cost forecast for all programs, all age levels, male and female. This should include:
Fixed administrative costs - Corporate Real Estate, Accounting, Audits
Fixed Salaries - Coaches and other technical and admin staff that are under contract
Variable costs that could be broken down:
Marketing
Tournaments (including transport, accomodation and performance mangement bonus incentives for players and technical staff)
Development Programs (Player and coach development, licensing, any other certification)

So after you quantify your costing.
Highlight the provisions and subventions from FIFA as expected revenue
Highlight the annual potential revenue via revenue earning initiatives
Request a provision from the state to cover the balance with an annual accounting and audit exercise to determine how much from the provision you actually need based on realized revenue from the earning initiatives.
Revise all your plans annually to evaluate your direction, success or failures and replan.
Is about a month worth of work!

Tim Kee and Phillips need to sit with their TD and come up with their plans put it in a powerpoint, put on their best suit and meet with the state. No time like the present where it's an election year and the state is looking for goodwill with the public so strategically it could work if they put some public awareness around this. 

All of this has already been done, under Anil the only committment made was to pay the coaching staff's salary, an agreement which was not delivered on.  All of the budgetary and financial recommendations you outline is included in the General Secretary's annual report to the ExCo, but the gov't isn't interested in 'bailing out' the FA, as so many people keep misrepresenting the situation.  They're not interested in erasing the FA's debt... which is fair.  They rather help selectively here and there, and that's fine, but then they have to deliver on those promises, and not lie and then lecture when the FA comes calling for the promised assistance, like Griffiths did some days ago.

Your last paragraph has to do with a development plan, both financial (as in fundraising/income generation) and football development, growing the sport and improving the quality of the player pool.  I know that there is such a plan, but not sure if it's been presented yet.
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: Banter Banton on November 21, 2014, 12:29:09 PM
It would break my heart to see Hart leave... I think the work he's done since taking over has been nothing short of miraculous.

He has built a strong family bond within the squad and staff and identified his core players. If we give him the proper support he can take this team very far.


It would break my f**king heart.

Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: socalion on November 21, 2014, 12:42:59 PM
I certainly hope   the coach is provided with the necessary  tools to get  on with the pogressive  work he has started .
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: Socapro on November 21, 2014, 01:26:50 PM
I would like him to stay because our Senior team has definitely started to win back fans under his stewardship and we have generally been playing a much better quality brand of football with more positive results against Caribbean teams. This has also been reflected in our highest FIFA rankings for 13 years.

Whether Hart stays or goes is down to the TTFA being able to get the right government support for their football programme without any more broken promises from the government and them trying to play politics with our football.

If Hart goes then I will ultimately blame the government for not putting country first and trying to play politics with our football. If Tim Kee was not a PNM then I believe the TTFA would be getting much better support that they have been getting so far without all the broken promises and delayed payments.

Hopefully if our Women Soca Warriors qualify for their first Senior World Cup the government will start being more supportive of the TTFA because they will see some political mileage in taking some credit for our World Cup qualification. Yes I know that it is small-minded but that is the reality of how our current government operates in regards to support for the current TTFA with a PNM treasurer at the helm. Its all about scoring political points rather than genuine concern for our football and our international image as a country.
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: elan on November 21, 2014, 01:42:08 PM
soccerman, correct! In Hart we trust! I would like to see the next evaluative benchmark occur after the Gold Cup. We are in the midst of a project in development, a work in progress that has had evident gains. Player ID has been beneficial and transparent. Pride has been restored. Outcomes have been promising and there is evidence of a core playing intention. We are not out the woods yet, but we could see the clearing under this dispensation.

As much as ah want him to stay de course to its emotional conclusion, my testimony is f**kery is something yuh haddah walk away from eventually. At the end of the day, he is at the center of the agony, and is best placed to evaluate the constraints, and do the cost-benefit analysis. Ah wish him well.  :beermug:

Whatever the path taken, no one can place a damper on his effort and contribution since taking the helm.

Correct is right.

I get a sense that the FA feel he should relax because they pay him until June 2015. If that is the notion then I don't think they understand the reality of the situation.

Yuh can't be getting paid while yuh reputation that you took years to build is suffering as a result of a less than adequate work place and resources.
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: R45 on November 21, 2014, 01:49:12 PM
I think he should leave, but only because I think it's best for him. Coaching T&T at this point is a toxic job.
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: Bakes on November 21, 2014, 02:01:04 PM
I would like him to stay because our Senior team has definitely started to win back fans under his stewardship and we have generally been playing a much better quality brand of football with more positive results against Caribbean teams. This has also been reflected in our highest FIFA rankings for 13 years.

Whether Hart stays or goes is down to the TTFA being able to get the right government support for their football programme without any more broken promises from the government and them trying to play politics with our football.

If Hart goes then I will ultimately blame the government for not putting country first and trying to play politics with our football. If Tim Kee was not a PNM then I believe the TTFA would be getting much better support that they have been getting so far without all the broken promises and delayed payments.

Hopefully if our Women Soca Warriors qualify for their first Senior World Cup the government will start being more supportive of the TTFA because they will see some political mileage in taking some credit for our World Cup qualification. Yes I know that it is small-minded but that is the reality of how our current government operates in regards to support for the current TTFA with a PNM treasurer at the helm. Its all about scoring political points rather than genuine concern for our football and our international image as a country.

I agree with the political aspects of your post... but ultimately the TTFA has to become more financially-independent irrespective as to which party is in power.  Reliance on government funding will always be the least-favored approach.  I think Hart is taking the right approach, let the emotions of the recent campaign subside a bit then sit down with the TTFA brain trust and see what plans they have for the short and long term.  Short term, at least he won't have to worry about his salary thru July.  Long-term, he needs to be comfortable with the financial and developmental vision/plans for the FA.
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: Controversial on November 21, 2014, 02:41:09 PM
I would like him to stay because our Senior team has definitely started to win back fans under his stewardship and we have generally been playing a much better quality brand of football with more positive results against Caribbean teams. This has also been reflected in our highest FIFA rankings for 13 years.

Whether Hart stays or goes is down to the TTFA being able to get the right government support for their football programme without any more broken promises from the government and them trying to play politics with our football.

If Hart goes then I will ultimately blame the government for not putting country first and trying to play politics with our football. If Tim Kee was not a PNM then I believe the TTFA would be getting much better support that they have been getting so far without all the broken promises and delayed payments.

Hopefully if our Women Soca Warriors qualify for their first Senior World Cup the government will start being more supportive of the TTFA because they will see some political mileage in taking some credit for our World Cup qualification. Yes I know that it is small-minded but that is the reality of how our current government operates in regards to support for the current TTFA with a PNM treasurer at the helm. Its all about scoring political points rather than genuine concern for our football and our international image as a country.

I agree with the political aspects of your post... but ultimately the TTFA has to become more financially-independent irrespective as to which party is in power.  Reliance on government funding will always be the least-favored approach.  I think Hart is taking the right approach, let the emotions of the recent campaign subside a bit then sit down with the TTFA brain trust and see what plans they have for the short and long term.  Short term, at least he won't have to worry about his salary thru July.  Long-term, he needs to be comfortable with the financial and developmental vision/plans for the FA.

both of you make valid points but the private sector from personal knowledge doesn't trust tim kee and phillips being so closely aligned to him doesn't help the case...

if tim kee is removed and replaced with someone who can actually run the ttfa properly then the money will come.. for now there is no trust in tim kee, he is being viewed as a smart man... just saying
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: Socapro on November 21, 2014, 02:48:18 PM
I would like him to stay because our Senior team has definitely started to win back fans under his stewardship and we have generally been playing a much better quality brand of football with more positive results against Caribbean teams. This has also been reflected in our highest FIFA rankings for 13 years.

Whether Hart stays or goes is down to the TTFA being able to get the right government support for their football programme without any more broken promises from the government and them trying to play politics with our football.

If Hart goes then I will ultimately blame the government for not putting country first and trying to play politics with our football. If Tim Kee was not a PNM then I believe the TTFA would be getting much better support that they have been getting so far without all the broken promises and delayed payments.

Hopefully if our Women Soca Warriors qualify for their first Senior World Cup the government will start being more supportive of the TTFA because they will see some political mileage in taking some credit for our World Cup qualification. Yes I know that it is small-minded but that is the reality of how our current government operates in regards to support for the current TTFA with a PNM treasurer at the helm. Its all about scoring political points rather than genuine concern for our football and our international image as a country.

I agree with the political aspects of your post... but ultimately the TTFA has to become more financially-independent irrespective as to which party is in power.  Reliance on government funding will always be the least-favored approach.  I think Hart is taking the right approach, let the emotions of the recent campaign subside a bit then sit down with the TTFA brain trust and see what plans they have for the short and long term.  Short term, at least he won't have to worry about his salary thru July.  Long-term, he needs to be comfortable with the financial and developmental vision/plans for the FA.

both of you make valid points but the private sector from personal knowledge doesn't trust tim kee and phillips being so closely aligned to him doesn't help the case...

if tim kee is removed and replaced with someone who can actually run the ttfa properly then the money will come.. for now there is no trust in tim kee, he is being viewed as a smart man... just saying

Is that because he was associated with Jack Warner in the past carnation of the TTFA?
And do they have any evidence that Tim personally pocketed football money and can't be trusted?
Just asking.
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: Bakes on November 21, 2014, 03:03:59 PM
Tim Kee wasn't associated with Warner any more than Lennox Watson is today associated with Tim Kee.  As far as I know Tim Kee was a member of the executive committee and he resigned/was forced out, when his differences with Warner became too great.  Warner didn't put him in power, he was voted in by the membership... but people steady keep trying to make it out to be that he was a Warner acolyte.  I also don't understand the 'trust' issue... he doesn't even get paid as President of the TTFA, so how could he be thiefing money?
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: Deeks on November 21, 2014, 03:41:40 PM
Bakes, as you stated in some of your past posts. Tim Kee's inability to engage the public to clear up issues about his past position and role in the Jack Warner's TTFF is the cause of all the "smart man" perception about him. You stated he was not handpicked by Warner. He was voted in. Then fired by jack because of their differences. He has to convinced the public that he is not that type of person. The added fact that he is the PNM treasurer does not help him either. Well at least with the govt who has the financial leverage.

Contro, also stated that the business sector don't trust him  because of his past association may be quite true. They had given Jack all the money for the 2006  campaign, only to see all the scandal that has followed. I can understand that mistrust. He has to engage the public more to dispel the notion of distrust.
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: Sando prince on November 21, 2014, 04:01:55 PM

Its true that Tim Kee was voted in then fired by Jack. Like Deeks said above Tim Kee and the TTFF need to engage the public more to dispel the notion of distrust.
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: asylumseeker on November 21, 2014, 06:44:22 PM
Ah find EVERYBODY shoulda geh pay this this week ... everyone owed a red cent. Latas, Corneal, all a dem.
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: elan on November 21, 2014, 06:52:58 PM
Tim Kee wasn't associated with Warner any more than Lennox Watson is today associated with Tim Kee.  As far as I know Tim Kee was a member of the executive committee and he resigned/was forced out, when his differences with Warner became too great.  Warner didn't put him in power, he was voted in by the membership... but people steady keep trying to make it out to be that he was a Warner acolyte.  I also don't understand the 'trust' issue... he doesn't even get paid as President of the TTFA, so how could he be thiefing money?

Warner did mortgage he house to fund the TTFF....just saying not accusing.
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: elan on November 21, 2014, 06:54:28 PM
Ah find EVERYBODY shoulda geh pay this this week ... everyone owed a red cent. Latas, Corneal, all a dem.

Daiz another $12 million they looking at according to them. That is rel money in the hole. I eh envy them one  bit.
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: asylumseeker on November 21, 2014, 08:12:07 PM
Ah find EVERYBODY shoulda geh pay this this week ... everyone owed a red cent. Latas, Corneal, all a dem.

Daiz another $12 million they looking at according to them. That is rel money in the hole. I eh envy them one  bit.

Dem need a Kublalsingh-type event to stimulate a conclusion.
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: Deeks on November 21, 2014, 10:39:03 PM
Tim Kee wasn't associated with Warner any more than Lennox Watson is today associated with Tim Kee.  As far as I know Tim Kee was a member of the executive committee and he resigned/was forced out, when his differences with Warner became too great.  Warner didn't put him in power, he was voted in by the membership... but people steady keep trying to make it out to be that he was a Warner acolyte.  I also don't understand the 'trust' issue... he doesn't even get paid as President of the TTFA, so how could he be thiefing money?

Warner did mortgage he house to fund the TTFF....just saying not accusing.

You sure is not TFA house on St. Vincent street that was mortgaged?
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: Bakes on November 21, 2014, 10:51:31 PM
Warner did mortgage he house to fund the TTFF....just saying not accusing.

What does this have to do with Tim Kee allegedly being in cahoots with Warner?
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: Sando on May 26, 2015, 06:13:29 AM
How long will Hart put up with the current situation?

We are going into a second gold cup under prepared.

Hart have to be really desperate.

Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: maxg on May 26, 2015, 04:10:00 PM
How long will Hart put up with the current situation?

We are going into a second gold cup under prepared.

Hart have to be really desperate.


or unlike many, patriotic, and willing to give his all, in spite of the difficulties.. Some so called Pats say stupid. Thanks again SH
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: Flex on July 16, 2015, 02:22:22 AM
High commendation for Hart.
By Shaun Fuentes (Guardian).


Stephen Hart has come in for high commendation from his players on the current T&T squad at the Concacaf Gold Cup. Hart has guided the "Soca Warriors" to their second successive quarterfinal qualification in two Gold Cups.

On Tuesday's pre-match press conference at the Bank of America Stadium in Charlotte, members of the media asked Andre Boucaud what he thought had led to the show of form by the T&T team and he instantly paid tribute to Hart's contribution.

"It's an opportunity for everyone playing at this stage. I believe we have done pretty well because of this man right beside me really. Since he's come in everyone has seen that we've climbed the rankings, we are playing good football and we are getting good results and as a player that all we can ask for really," Boucaud said.

"It's a bit of everything really. Everyone likes the coach which obviously helps a lot in teams like this because when you really get on with the coach and you like the coach, you are gong to do everything in your power to get the result not just for yourself but for him. Since he's come in, he's made everyone more tactically aware of the game, showing us videos and telling us obviously what players to look out for etc.

"And he gives us that freedom to actually go out and play and as a player there's nothing better than that going out on the pitch knowing that if you make a mistake, it's not a problem and you can still continue to try and get on the ball and stuff like that."

The English-born player who is a member of Dagenham and Redbridge said he was thrilled that T&T could defy the odds and advance to the quarterfinals.

"To be honest before the tournament started, a lot of people wrote us off and we prove them wrong. Proving people wrong and getting the result breeds confidence in the camp."

Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: socalion on July 16, 2015, 06:47:00 PM
To Coach Stephen Hart i simply want to say Thank you for hanging in there with us ! No doubt it is frustrating  dealing with  all of the utter nonsense  between TTFA and the MOS  .. Trinidad football needs respectability  and Posiitivity  ... the players  are aware of it .. so my hope and plea is  .. good sense will prevail   and the powers that be will let  common sense  be their  guide by doing what's  right and proper  for the sport of football nationally ... thank you once again Coach Stephen Hart ....  not forgetting the players who sacrifice so very much ..thanks much ........... As for the egotistal Mr Sancho and Mr Ray Tim Kee Stop the Nasties and Work collectively to bring a peaceful /positive resolution to the present impasse once and for all ...  this is not about either one of you ... stop the foolishness...
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: coache on July 26, 2015, 09:31:37 PM
I am a strong critic of Trinidad coaches and Trinidad football, however I have been silent on Stephen Hart.

After careful deliberation and assessment of his output thus far, I can say without doubt that he can take us to WC in Russia.

I sincerely feel that we can qualify quite easily under his leadership once the logistical requirements are met.

What he has produced on the field of play so far is phenominal.

I think that he needs some help though.

He needs help in getting the players  to move the ball faster, to utilize combinations better, and develop the play from the back thru the midfield with better efficiency.

Some people on this site are critical of Abu Bakr but he is a very good passer, and a pretty decent ball winner.

The two Jones's are top class and the rest of the team are okay.

Some of you are calling for foreign players...how much of a difference they could make would be dependent on quality and role. The team needs top class defensive midfield and maybe a #10....other than that we can get there without foreign players.

Jan Michael Williams is not fit!
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: Controversial on July 26, 2015, 10:18:46 PM
I am a strong critic of Trinidad coaches and Trinidad football, however I have been silent on Stephen Hart.

After careful deliberation and assessment of his output thus far, I can say without doubt that he can take us to WC in Russia.

I sincerely feel that we can qualify quite easily under his leadership once the logistical requirements are met.

What he has produced on the field of play so far is phenominal.

I think that he needs some help though.

He needs help in getting the players  to move the ball faster, to utilize combinations better, and develop the play from the back thru the midfield with better efficiency.

Some people on this site are critical of Abu Bakr but he is a very good passer, and a pretty decent ball winner.

The two Jones's are top class and the rest of the team are okay.

Some of you are calling for foreign players...how much of a difference they could make would be dependent on quality and role. The team needs top class defensive midfield and maybe a #10....other than that we can get there without foreign players.

Jan Michael Williams is not fit!

Predicted Harts coming over a decade ago before anyone on here..

Hart can take us to the promised land if he is given the right prep and support..

Right now the ball is in TTFa court to make it happen.. We all need to apply pressure on them..
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: Deeks on July 27, 2015, 03:12:30 PM
I am a strong critic of Trinidad coaches and Trinidad football, however I have been silent on Stephen Hart.

After careful deliberation and assessment of his output thus far, I can say without doubt that he can take us to WC in Russia.

I sincerely feel that we can qualify quite easily under his leadership once the logistical requirements are met.

What he has produced on the field of play so far is phenominal.l

I think that he needs some help though.

He needs help in getting the players  to move the ball faster, to utilize combinations better, and develop the play from the back thru the midfield with better efficiency.

Some people on this site are critical of Abu Bakr but he is a very good passer, and a pretty decent ball winner.

The two Jones's are top class and the rest of the team are okay.

Some of you are calling for foreign players...how much of a difference they could make would be dependent on quality and role. The team needs top class defensive midfield and maybe a #10....other than that we can get there without foreign players.

Jan Michael Williams is not fit!

Predicted Harts coming over a decade ago before anyone on here..

Hart can take us to the promised land if he is given the right prep and support..

Right now the ball is in TTFa court to make it happen.. We all need to apply pressure on them..

Sorry to burst your bubble Breds, many others on this forum predicted or had the strong feelings that some day he would coach TT.  But most of us thought he would be mad to work under Jack, when he had everything at his disposal with Canada. If you were in his position at the time, would you have taken an offer from Jack?
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: Controversial on July 27, 2015, 03:26:13 PM
I am a strong critic of Trinidad coaches and Trinidad football, however I have been silent on Stephen Hart.

After careful deliberation and assessment of his output thus far, I can say without doubt that he can take us to WC in Russia.

I sincerely feel that we can qualify quite easily under his leadership once the logistical requirements are met.

What he has produced on the field of play so far is phenominal.l

I think that he needs some help though.

He needs help in getting the players  to move the ball faster, to utilize combinations better, and develop the play from the back thru the midfield with better efficiency.

Some people on this site are critical of Abu Bakr but he is a very good passer, and a pretty decent ball winner.

The two Jones's are top class and the rest of the team are okay.

Some of you are calling for foreign players...how much of a difference they could make would be dependent on quality and role. The team needs top class defensive midfield and maybe a #10....other than that we can get there without foreign players.

Jan Michael Williams is not fit!

Predicted Harts coming over a decade ago before anyone on here..

Hart can take us to the promised land if he is given the right prep and support..

Right now the ball is in TTFa court to make it happen.. We all need to apply pressure on them..

Sorry to burst your bubble Breds, many others on this forum predicted or had the strong feelings that some day he would coach TT.  But most of us thought he would be mad to work under Jack, when he had everything at his disposal with Canada. If you were in his position at the time, would you have taken an offer from Jack?

it would depend on the situation brother... JW would have had to convinced me that i had the right prep and friendlies before i signed on...

stipulations brother... i can't remember in 2000, anyone calling for Hart.. only a few knew him, the rest was like, we good with BSC, porterfield and other coaches names came up, there was even talk that he not ready bro.. so i was in the very small minority...
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: pull stones on July 27, 2015, 03:51:19 PM
I am a strong critic of Trinidad coaches and Trinidad football, however I have been silent on Stephen Hart.

After careful deliberation and assessment of his output thus far, I can say without doubt that he can take us to WC in Russia.

I sincerely feel that we can qualify quite easily under his leadership once the logistical requirements are met.

What he has produced on the field of play so far is phenominal.l

I think that he needs some help though.

He needs help in getting the players  to move the ball faster, to utilize combinations better, and develop the play from the back thru the midfield with better efficiency.

Some people on this site are critical of Abu Bakr but he is a very good passer, and a pretty decent ball winner.

The two Jones's are top class and the rest of the team are okay.

Some of you are calling for foreign players...how much of a difference they could make would be dependent on quality and role. The team needs top class defensive midfield and maybe a #10....other than that we can get there without foreign players.

Jan Michael Williams is not fit!

Predicted Harts coming over a decade ago before anyone on here..

Hart can take us to the promised land if he is given the right prep and support..

Right now the ball is in TTFa court to make it happen.. We all need to apply pressure on them..

Sorry to burst your bubble Breds, many others on this forum predicted or had the strong feelings that some day he would coach TT.  But most of us thought he would be mad to work under Jack, when he had everything at his disposal with Canada. If you were in his position at the time, would you have taken an offer from Jack?

it would depend on the situation brother... JW would have had to convinced me that i had the right prep and friendlies before i signed on...

stipulations brother... i can't remember in 2000, anyone calling for Hart.. only a few knew him, the rest was like, we good with BSC, porterfield and other coaches names came up, there was even talk that he not ready bro.. so i waof s in the very small minority...
you claim that Steven hart is your friend, so since you know the man that well then why won't you ask him if he would have ever considered working for jack Warner? I bet the answer to that would be an astounding no. I don't even know mr hart and I could pretty much guess that he would have never ever have considered such an offer even if jack had promised him the world. My guess is that you maybe a mild acquaintant of mr hart but in no wise his friend.
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: Controversial on July 27, 2015, 03:56:32 PM
I am a strong critic of Trinidad coaches and Trinidad football, however I have been silent on Stephen Hart.

After careful deliberation and assessment of his output thus far, I can say without doubt that he can take us to WC in Russia.

I sincerely feel that we can qualify quite easily under his leadership once the logistical requirements are met.

What he has produced on the field of play so far is phenominal.l

I think that he needs some help though.

He needs help in getting the players  to move the ball faster, to utilize combinations better, and develop the play from the back thru the midfield with better efficiency.

Some people on this site are critical of Abu Bakr but he is a very good passer, and a pretty decent ball winner.

The two Jones's are top class and the rest of the team are okay.

Some of you are calling for foreign players...how much of a difference they could make would be dependent on quality and role. The team needs top class defensive midfield and maybe a #10....other than that we can get there without foreign players.

Jan Michael Williams is not fit!

Predicted Harts coming over a decade ago before anyone on here..

Hart can take us to the promised land if he is given the right prep and support..

Right now the ball is in TTFa court to make it happen.. We all need to apply pressure on them..

Sorry to burst your bubble Breds, many others on this forum predicted or had the strong feelings that some day he would coach TT.  But most of us thought he would be mad to work under Jack, when he had everything at his disposal with Canada. If you were in his position at the time, would you have taken an offer from Jack?

it would depend on the situation brother... JW would have had to convinced me that i had the right prep and friendlies before i signed on...

stipulations brother... i can't remember in 2000, anyone calling for Hart.. only a few knew him, the rest was like, we good with BSC, porterfield and other coaches names came up, there was even talk that he not ready bro.. so i waof s in the very small minority...
you claim that Steven hart is your friend, so since you know the man that well then why won't you ask him if he would have ever considered working for jack Warner? I bet the answer to that would be an astounding no. I don't even know mr hart and I could pretty much guess that he would have never ever have considered such an offer even if jack had promised him the world. My guess is that you maybe a mild acquaintant of mr hart but in no wise his friend.

How would he do that when he was in the Canadian program at that time??? so even if he could, it would not be possible..

Don't guess, know... you're starting to sound like another poster who just recently got banned, who pretended to know anything and everything...
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: Deeks on July 27, 2015, 04:08:34 PM
Breds, you can't even deal with TK, you would have dealt with Jack. TK in no way have the kind of power Jack had and used with vengeance when he could not get his way. Jack pushed away Gally, Alvin, Coops, BSC, LP, etc, what make you think you and Hart would be his friend?
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: Sando prince on July 27, 2015, 04:19:09 PM

Wait! Contro saying he is Hart friend?  :bs: Oh gawd Contro how yuh go do we dat  ;D
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: Controversial on July 27, 2015, 04:26:47 PM

Wait! Contro saying he is Hart friend?  :bs: Oh gawd Contro how yuh go do we dat  ;D

SH is a friend of the family, I have always maintained that.. I never said me and Hart does lime together steady...
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: FF on July 27, 2015, 06:53:23 PM
If you have one, Contro have two.
Don't study it.
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: Controversial on July 27, 2015, 08:01:50 PM
If you have one, Contro have two.
Don't study it.

nah that is your padnah bakes you're talking about, the pseudo encyclopedia..

oh i forgot, you also suffer from blue crab syndrome...

Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: gawd on pitch on July 31, 2015, 01:58:04 PM
I am a strong critic of Trinidad coaches and Trinidad football, however I have been silent on Stephen Hart.

After careful deliberation and assessment of his output thus far, I can say without doubt that he can take us to WC in Russia.

I sincerely feel that we can qualify quite easily under his leadership once the logistical requirements are met.

What he has produced on the field of play so far is phenominal.l

I think that he needs some help though.

He needs help in getting the players  to move the ball faster, to utilize combinations better, and develop the play from the back thru the midfield with better efficiency.

Some people on this site are critical of Abu Bakr but he is a very good passer, and a pretty decent ball winner.

The two Jones's are top class and the rest of the team are okay.

Some of you are calling for foreign players...how much of a difference they could make would be dependent on quality and role. The team needs top class defensive midfield and maybe a #10....other than that we can get there without foreign players.

Jan Michael Williams is not fit!

Predicted Harts coming over a decade ago before anyone on here..

Hart can take us to the promised land if he is given the right prep and support..

Right now the ball is in TTFa court to make it happen.. We all need to apply pressure on them..

Sorry to burst your bubble Breds, many others on this forum predicted or had the strong feelings that some day he would coach TT.  But most of us thought he would be mad to work under Jack, when he had everything at his disposal with Canada. If you were in his position at the time, would you have taken an offer from Jack?

it would depend on the situation brother... JW would have had to convinced me that i had the right prep and friendlies before i signed on...

stipulations brother... i can't remember in 2000, anyone calling for Hart.. only a few knew him, the rest was like, we good with BSC, porterfield and other coaches names came up, there was even talk that he not ready bro.. so i waof s in the very small minority...
you claim that Steven hart is your friend, so since you know the man that well then why won't you ask him if he would have ever considered working for jack Warner? I bet the answer to that would be an astounding no. I don't even know mr hart and I could pretty much guess that he would have never ever have considered such an offer even if jack had promised him the world. My guess is that you maybe a mild acquaintant of mr hart but in no wise his friend.

How would he do that when he was in the Canadian program at that time??? so even if he could, it would not be possible..

Don't guess, know... you're starting to sound like another poster who just recently got banned, who pretended to know anything and everything...

Which poster was recently banned? What can he or she possibly do to get banned from here?
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: Controversial on July 31, 2015, 02:10:46 PM
I am a strong critic of Trinidad coaches and Trinidad football, however I have been silent on Stephen Hart.

After careful deliberation and assessment of his output thus far, I can say without doubt that he can take us to WC in Russia.

I sincerely feel that we can qualify quite easily under his leadership once the logistical requirements are met.

What he has produced on the field of play so far is phenominal.l

I think that he needs some help though.

He needs help in getting the players  to move the ball faster, to utilize combinations better, and develop the play from the back thru the midfield with better efficiency.

Some people on this site are critical of Abu Bakr but he is a very good passer, and a pretty decent ball winner.

The two Jones's are top class and the rest of the team are okay.

Some of you are calling for foreign players...how much of a difference they could make would be dependent on quality and role. The team needs top class defensive midfield and maybe a #10....other than that we can get there without foreign players.

Jan Michael Williams is not fit!

Predicted Harts coming over a decade ago before anyone on here..

Hart can take us to the promised land if he is given the right prep and support..

Right now the ball is in TTFa court to make it happen.. We all need to apply pressure on them..

Sorry to burst your bubble Breds, many others on this forum predicted or had the strong feelings that some day he would coach TT.  But most of us thought he would be mad to work under Jack, when he had everything at his disposal with Canada. If you were in his position at the time, would you have taken an offer from Jack?

it would depend on the situation brother... JW would have had to convinced me that i had the right prep and friendlies before i signed on...

stipulations brother... i can't remember in 2000, anyone calling for Hart.. only a few knew him, the rest was like, we good with BSC, porterfield and other coaches names came up, there was even talk that he not ready bro.. so i waof s in the very small minority...
you claim that Steven hart is your friend, so since you know the man that well then why won't you ask him if he would have ever considered working for jack Warner? I bet the answer to that would be an astounding no. I don't even know mr hart and I could pretty much guess that he would have never ever have considered such an offer even if jack had promised him the world. My guess is that you maybe a mild acquaintant of mr hart but in no wise his friend.

How would he do that when he was in the Canadian program at that time??? so even if he could, it would not be possible..

Don't guess, know... you're starting to sound like another poster who just recently got banned, who pretended to know anything and everything...

Which poster was recently banned? What can he or she possibly do to get banned from here?

ask FF, he will update you on his padnah who get ban...
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: Deeks on July 31, 2015, 02:11:17 PM
Bakes got banned for making some statements at FS.  Was it not?
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: Controversial on July 31, 2015, 02:16:45 PM
Bakes got banned for making some statements at FS.  Was it not?

correct brother... not just some statements, malicious attacks against his family... totally uncalled for, Bakes like hiding behind his computer screen and attacking people's families he don't know to empower himself.. insecurity at its highest..
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: FF on July 31, 2015, 02:26:19 PM
Not my padnah...

quit being a nuisance Contro
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: Controversial on July 31, 2015, 03:52:55 PM
Not my padnah...

quit being a nuisance Contro

stop your hypocrisy FF, you call out my name for no reason and now you calling me a nuisance..  :bs:
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: Deeks on July 31, 2015, 03:56:37 PM
At times Bakes appeared abrasive to some, and I certainly did not condone what was said. But he did make important contributions on this site. Especially some of the legal arguments on football, civil rights, etc, whatever. But the forum will move on. That is it.
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: gawd on pitch on July 31, 2015, 06:23:22 PM
At times Bakes appeared abrasive to some, and I certainly did not condone what was said. But he did make important contributions on this site. Especially some of the legal arguments on football, civil rights, etc, whatever. But the forum will move on. That is it.

Okay. I was wondering what happened to him. He's been abrasive with many on here. Almost an online bully.. In person, he wont be abrasive with anyone of us. I get what Contro is saying about hiding behind the computer.. I think we as fam dont need people like that in our circle.

On the flip side, he did make some valuable contributions on this site. Especially when it came to researching a topic. Like Deeks is saying, the forum will move on.
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: Controversial on July 31, 2015, 06:35:49 PM
At times Bakes appeared abrasive to some, and I certainly did not condone what was said. But he did make important contributions on this site. Especially some of the legal arguments on football, civil rights, etc, whatever. But the forum will move on. That is it.

Okay. I was wondering what happened to him. He's been abrasive with many on here. Almost an online bully.. In person, he wont be abrasive with anyone of us. I get what Contro is saying about hiding behind the computer.. I think we as fam dont need people like that in our circle.

On the flip side, he did make some valuable contributions on this site. Especially when it came to researching a topic. Like Deeks is saying, the forum will move on.

He could have definitely made a valuable contribution to the site but his ill will and malicious attacks against posters families trumped any positive contribution he made..

Like pitch say, this is an online family.. And it even extends past that.. Personally I consider members like brothers and sisters on here, we are one people, one community, we have the power to make a difference..

I don't see the need to allow politics and other insecurities to dictate a posters actions where he would act so crass toward someone's family.. That is where the line is drawn.. People need to know their limits and realize we are all fighting for the same goal, a better nation and better football program ...
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: MEP on August 01, 2015, 07:45:23 AM
Allyuh want to malign and disparage the man when he is not here to defend himself. The only reason Bakes did what he did and called out people family was because a certain poster used Bakes real name and at that point it was gloves off. He wasn't hiding behind a computer screen playing bad boy like some of you. Every argument the man laid he was able to defend it unlike some of you. What I will always agree with Bakes on is that some of you read but don't comprehend what is written.
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: Sam on August 01, 2015, 07:55:11 AM
Allyuh want to malign and disparage the man when he is not here to defend himself. The only reason Bakes did what he did and called out people family was because a certain poster used Bakes real name and at that point it was gloves off. He wasn't hiding behind a computer screen playing bad boy like some of you. Every argument the man laid he was able to defend it unlike some of you. What I will always agree with Bakes on is that some of you read but don't comprehend what is written.

Good call bra.

Bakes should come back though.

Man like Contro trolling here.

Bakes get ban for Football Supporter and now FS gone to.

So what was de purpose?

Man here want to call out de man and when he bawl out man they vex.

Allyuh good we.

Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: Bakes on August 01, 2015, 11:14:17 AM
MEP and Sam (and some who have messaged me privately here and on FB), thanks for the kind words... after being alerted to some of what was being said, at first I figured I'd just leave it alone, but then I decided to make one last post and just clear the air.  I thought me leaving the site woulda make some people happy, but damn, Controversial damn near having ah block party by heself.  Just do ah search for the name "Bakes" in the past month and ah sure yuh'll see he name jumping up all over the screen.  As should be clear, I am not "banned"... I was suspended for a week and that gave me time to reconsider my membership and activity here on SWO. 

I like posting and commenting on the forum, in fact, probably too much... and the truth is that the time and energy I spend here could be better spent.  That, and the fact that I think at this point my continued presence on this site has become counter-productive, much of what I say, no matter how straightforward or neutral, will be seen by some thru certain prisms, either in light of my past disagreements with some on here, or misconstrued as apology for the TTFA.  Time to move on.

Before doing so I will address one thing briefly, this lie that is being pandered by Controversial that I have attacked people's families online.  Nothing could be further from the truth, but ultimately folks can judge for themselves:

Football Supporter: As he had done repeatedly in the past, FS decided to try and 'insult' me by calling me a "sell-out, working for the yankee dollar"... presumably because I (like many posters here, including the forum Administrators) decided to leave TnT for a better opportunity in the US.  After the latest comment I reminded him that he left his family in England tom come reinvent himself in the tropics as a football administrator.  I didn't say anything that he himself didn't share on the forum, I used his own words to hold a mirror up to him and ask him, "if I'm a sellout for leaving TnT for better opportunities in the US, would it be fair to call you a sellout as well?"  People misconstrued the words and the intent behind them, he complained to Flex and I was suspended.  I am not mad at Flex, I might disagree with what he did, and the way it was done, but he was put in a tough situation and had to do what he felt he had to do.  That's that.

Next is Controversial himself... who has been carrying a grudge for God knows how long.  I never attacked his family, no need for me to do so.  But as with FS I checked him for things he was saying... reminding him that he's not the person in real life that he's trying to be online...way back in 2008 (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=20761.msg449202#msg449202).  So this man carrying this old-ass grudge for over 7 years and I guess now he feel is time to try and get even.  Whatever yes pardna, keep grinding whatever axe yuh feel yuh have to grind, I moved on long time ago.

I wish the forum and everybody else here well.  Who feel that I was ah "online bully" and doh beliong in dey "family", and who I meet and kick it with in person, but now want to distance deyself from me, is no hard feelings, now everybody could move on with dey life  :beermug:
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: kounty on August 01, 2015, 12:09:02 PM
good luck Bakes  :beermug: hopefully after a good cool-out you'll decide to come back in the distant future. When T&T keep stroking luck and qualify by the skin of dey teeth for Russia...and actually go on and play good there...it would be good to have everybody who was here 'all along' for the emotional ride.
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: congo on August 01, 2015, 12:25:14 PM
Wayssssssss.....Now I would admit that me and Bakes butt heads already in the past but the man was always straight forward with his point of view.

At times he could be really condescending but all that in it.

What I used to admire and would come on this site to see is his in depth analysis of a situation. It wasn't just ole talk. It was in depth legal, social and historical analysis and perspectives.

Not many people online contribute extensively that way.

I learnt a lot from him and he impacted in some of my views.  :beermug:
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: Sam on August 01, 2015, 01:34:23 PM
MEP and Sam (and some who have messaged me privately here and on FB), thanks for the kind words... after being alerted to some of what was being said, at first I figured I'd just leave it alone, but then I decided to make one last post and just clear the air.  I thought me leaving the site woulda make some people happy, but damn, Controversial damn near having ah block party by heself.  Just do ah search for the name "Bakes" in the past month and ah sure yuh'll see he name jumping up all over the screen.  As should be clear, I am not "banned"... I was suspended for a week and that gave me time to reconsider my membership and activity here on SWO. 

I like posting and commenting on the forum, in fact, probably too much... and the truth is that the time and energy I spend here could be better spent.  That, and the fact that I think at this point my continued presence on this site has become counter-productive, much of what I say, no matter how straightforward or neutral, will be seen by some thru certain prisms, either in light of my past disagreements with some on here, or misconstrued as apology for the TTFA.  Time to move on.

Before doing so I will address one thing briefly, this lie that is being pandered by Controversial that I have attacked people's families online.  Nothing could be further from the truth, but ultimately folks can judge for themselves:

Football Supporter: As he had done repeatedly in the past, FS decided to try and 'insult' me by calling me a "sell-out, working for the yankee dollar"... presumably because I (like many posters here, including the forum Administrators) decided to leave TnT for a better opportunity in the US.  After the latest comment I reminded him that he left his family in England tom come reinvent himself in the tropics as a football administrator.  I didn't say anything that he himself didn't share on the forum, I used his own words to hold a mirror up to him and ask him, "if I'm a sellout for leaving TnT for better opportunities in the US, would it be fair to call you a sellout as well?"  People misconstrued the words and the intent behind them, he complained to Flex and I was suspended.  I am not mad at Flex, I might disagree with what he did, and the way it was done, but he was put in a tough situation and had to do what he felt he had to do.  That's that.

Next is Controversial himself... who has been carrying a grudge for God knows how long.  I never attacked his family, no need for me to do so.  But as with FS I checked him for things he was saying... reminding him that he's not the person in real life that he's trying to be online...way back in 2008 (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=20761.msg449202#msg449202).  So this man carrying this old-ass grudge for over 7 years and I guess now he feel is time to try and get even.  Whatever yes pardna, keep grinding whatever axe yuh feel yuh have to grind, I moved on long time ago.

I wish the forum and everybody else here well.  Who feel that I was ah "online bully" and doh beliong in dey "family", and who I meet and kick it with in person, but now want to distance deyself from me, is no hard feelings, now everybody could move on with dey life  :beermug:

Bakes, you have to be a mad man to make this f00cker Contro run you out.

Man, come back bra.

You is de only man here who does say it like it is.

F00ck all ah them.

You come back man !!!!!

Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: gawd on pitch on August 01, 2015, 07:22:58 PM
MEP and Sam (and some who have messaged me privately here and on FB), thanks for the kind words... after being alerted to some of what was being said, at first I figured I'd just leave it alone, but then I decided to make one last post and just clear the air.  I thought me leaving the site woulda make some people happy, but damn, Controversial damn near having ah block party by heself.  Just do ah search for the name "Bakes" in the past month and ah sure yuh'll see he name jumping up all over the screen.  As should be clear, I am not "banned"... I was suspended for a week and that gave me time to reconsider my membership and activity here on SWO. 

I like posting and commenting on the forum, in fact, probably too much... and the truth is that the time and energy I spend here could be better spent.  That, and the fact that I think at this point my continued presence on this site has become counter-productive, much of what I say, no matter how straightforward or neutral, will be seen by some thru certain prisms, either in light of my past disagreements with some on here, or misconstrued as apology for the TTFA.  Time to move on.

Before doing so I will address one thing briefly, this lie that is being pandered by Controversial that I have attacked people's families online.  Nothing could be further from the truth, but ultimately folks can judge for themselves:

Football Supporter: As he had done repeatedly in the past, FS decided to try and 'insult' me by calling me a "sell-out, working for the yankee dollar"... presumably because I (like many posters here, including the forum Administrators) decided to leave TnT for a better opportunity in the US.  After the latest comment I reminded him that he left his family in England tom come reinvent himself in the tropics as a football administrator.  I didn't say anything that he himself didn't share on the forum, I used his own words to hold a mirror up to him and ask him, "if I'm a sellout for leaving TnT for better opportunities in the US, would it be fair to call you a sellout as well?"  People misconstrued the words and the intent behind them, he complained to Flex and I was suspended.  I am not mad at Flex, I might disagree with what he did, and the way it was done, but he was put in a tough situation and had to do what he felt he had to do.  That's that.

Next is Controversial himself... who has been carrying a grudge for God knows how long.  I never attacked his family, no need for me to do so.  But as with FS I checked him for things he was saying... reminding him that he's not the person in real life that he's trying to be online...way back in 2008 (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=20761.msg449202#msg449202).  So this man carrying this old-ass grudge for over 7 years and I guess now he feel is time to try and get even.  Whatever yes pardna, keep grinding whatever axe yuh feel yuh have to grind, I moved on long time ago.

I wish the forum and everybody else here well.  Who feel that I was ah "online bully" and doh beliong in dey "family", and who I meet and kick it with in person, but now want to distance deyself from me, is no hard feelings, now everybody could move on with dey life  :beermug:

No hard feelings. At times I felt you acted towards me as such. As I said your researching taught me a lot. Best of luck.
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: Feliziano on August 01, 2015, 10:04:40 PM
MEP and Sam (and some who have messaged me privately here and on FB), thanks for the kind words... after being alerted to some of what was being said, at first I figured I'd just leave it alone, but then I decided to make one last post and just clear the air.  I thought me leaving the site woulda make some people happy, but damn, Controversial damn near having ah block party by heself.  Just do ah search for the name "Bakes" in the past month and ah sure yuh'll see he name jumping up all over the screen.  As should be clear, I am not "banned"... I was suspended for a week and that gave me time to reconsider my membership and activity here on SWO. 

I like posting and commenting on the forum, in fact, probably too much... and the truth is that the time and energy I spend here could be better spent.  That, and the fact that I think at this point my continued presence on this site has become counter-productive, much of what I say, no matter how straightforward or neutral, will be seen by some thru certain prisms, either in light of my past disagreements with some on here, or misconstrued as apology for the TTFA.  Time to move on.

Before doing so I will address one thing briefly, this lie that is being pandered by Controversial that I have attacked people's families online.  Nothing could be further from the truth, but ultimately folks can judge for themselves:

Football Supporter: As he had done repeatedly in the past, FS decided to try and 'insult' me by calling me a "sell-out, working for the yankee dollar"... presumably because I (like many posters here, including the forum Administrators) decided to leave TnT for a better opportunity in the US.  After the latest comment I reminded him that he left his family in England tom come reinvent himself in the tropics as a football administrator.  I didn't say anything that he himself didn't share on the forum, I used his own words to hold a mirror up to him and ask him, "if I'm a sellout for leaving TnT for better opportunities in the US, would it be fair to call you a sellout as well?"  People misconstrued the words and the intent behind them, he complained to Flex and I was suspended.  I am not mad at Flex, I might disagree with what he did, and the way it was done, but he was put in a tough situation and had to do what he felt he had to do.  That's that.

Next is Controversial himself... who has been carrying a grudge for God knows how long.  I never attacked his family, no need for me to do so.  But as with FS I checked him for things he was saying... reminding him that he's not the person in real life that he's trying to be online...way back in 2008 (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=20761.msg449202#msg449202).  So this man carrying this old-ass grudge for over 7 years and I guess now he feel is time to try and get even.  Whatever yes pardna, keep grinding whatever axe yuh feel yuh have to grind, I moved on long time ago.

I wish the forum and everybody else here well.  Who feel that I was ah "online bully" and doh beliong in dey "family", and who I meet and kick it with in person, but now want to distance deyself from me, is no hard feelings, now everybody could move on with dey life  :beermug:

Bakes, you have to be a mad man to make this f00cker Contro run you out.

Man, come back bra.

You is de only man here who does say it like it is.

F00ck all ah them.

You come back man !!!!!
Yeah Bakes aka Truetrini aka West Coast..yuh can't take a sabbatical with T&T government and TTFA elections coming up plus WC qualifiers starting  :beermug:
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: Controversial on August 02, 2015, 09:53:33 AM
MEP and Sam (and some who have messaged me privately here and on FB), thanks for the kind words... after being alerted to some of what was being said, at first I figured I'd just leave it alone, but then I decided to make one last post and just clear the air.  I thought me leaving the site woulda make some people happy, but damn, Controversial damn near having ah block party by heself.  Just do ah search for the name "Bakes" in the past month and ah sure yuh'll see he name jumping up all over the screen.  As should be clear, I am not "banned"... I was suspended for a week and that gave me time to reconsider my membership and activity here on SWO. 

I like posting and commenting on the forum, in fact, probably too much... and the truth is that the time and energy I spend here could be better spent.  That, and the fact that I think at this point my continued presence on this site has become counter-productive, much of what I say, no matter how straightforward or neutral, will be seen by some thru certain prisms, either in light of my past disagreements with some on here, or misconstrued as apology for the TTFA.  Time to move on.

Before doing so I will address one thing briefly, this lie that is being pandered by Controversial that I have attacked people's families online.  Nothing could be further from the truth, but ultimately folks can judge for themselves:

Football Supporter: As he had done repeatedly in the past, FS decided to try and 'insult' me by calling me a "sell-out, working for the yankee dollar"... presumably because I (like many posters here, including the forum Administrators) decided to leave TnT for a better opportunity in the US.  After the latest comment I reminded him that he left his family in England tom come reinvent himself in the tropics as a football administrator.  I didn't say anything that he himself didn't share on the forum, I used his own words to hold a mirror up to him and ask him, "if I'm a sellout for leaving TnT for better opportunities in the US, would it be fair to call you a sellout as well?"  People misconstrued the words and the intent behind them, he complained to Flex and I was suspended.  I am not mad at Flex, I might disagree with what he did, and the way it was done, but he was put in a tough situation and had to do what he felt he had to do.  That's that.

Next is Controversial himself... who has been carrying a grudge for God knows how long.  I never attacked his family, no need for me to do so.  But as with FS I checked him for things he was saying... reminding him that he's not the person in real life that he's trying to be online...way back in 2008 (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=20761.msg449202#msg449202).  So this man carrying this old-ass grudge for over 7 years and I guess now he feel is time to try and get even.  Whatever yes pardna, keep grinding whatever axe yuh feel yuh have to grind, I moved on long time ago.

I wish the forum and everybody else here well.  Who feel that I was ah "online bully" and doh beliong in dey "family", and who I meet and kick it with in person, but now want to distance deyself from me, is no hard feelings, now everybody could move on with dey life  :beermug:

Bakes, you have to be a mad man to make this f00cker Contro run you out.

Man, come back bra.

You is de only man here who does say it like it is.

F00ck all ah them.

You come back man !!!!!



Grudge? Lol that's a joke...  :D I don't hold grudges, just have no patience for cowards and hypocrites.. Since he gone old members come back... If anyone hasn't noticed.. They don't like him as well.. His statement proves he's an idiot and not realizing what he did... He can't manipulate me with that sad sob story he feeding members on here.. He should apologize to FS, he lying saying he didn't insult no one, big lie.. He deleted his message.. Something he's known for doing after he insults..

Allyuh men hypocritical or just plain dotish? Bakes insulting people family on here and allyuh begging this man to come back, let him learn some damn manners first... Like if he dragged up instead of brought up...

You should bring back jus cool, at least he was entertaining... A bit crass at times but he still has manners than his egocentric hypocrite allyuh supporting

Anyways I don't expect more from Sam because he is another one who have no manners as well... Birds of a feather flock together..

If yuh bring back bakes you might as well bring back TT as well and Jus cool... he know better than to come with that out of timing talk for me..
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: trini_stallion on August 02, 2015, 10:00:56 AM
Contro run thing...real badman...yuh done knoeeewww

Ok was just playing...have no input in this marriage gone bad...Sam you must not get involved in married ppl problems bhaiii 😂

Ok just playing again...😝

Stephen Hart should remain!
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: MEP on August 02, 2015, 10:05:22 AM
.F00ck all ah them.

You come back man !!!!!
[/quote]
Yeah Bakes aka Truetrini aka West Coast..yuh can't take a sabbatical with T&T government and TTFA elections coming up plus WC qualifiers starting  :beermug:
[/quote]

Sam laid it out correctly ...is that not reason enough to stay? you really think we could discuss politics with c**troversial???
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: Controversial on August 02, 2015, 10:21:24 AM
MEP and Sam (and some who have messaged me privately here and on FB), thanks for the kind words... after being alerted to some of what was being said, at first I figured I'd just leave it alone, but then I decided to make one last post and just clear the air.  I thought me leaving the site woulda make some people happy, but damn, Controversial damn near having ah block party by heself.  Just do ah search for the name "Bakes" in the past month and ah sure yuh'll see he name jumping up all over the screen.  As should be clear, I am not "banned"... I was suspended for a week and that gave me time to reconsider my membership and activity here on SWO. 

I like posting and commenting on the forum, in fact, probably too much... and the truth is that the time and energy I spend here could be better spent.  That, and the fact that I think at this point my continued presence on this site has become counter-productive, much of what I say, no matter how straightforward or neutral, will be seen by some thru certain prisms, either in light of my past disagreements with some on here, or misconstrued as apology for the TTFA.  Time to move on.

Before doing so I will address one thing briefly, this lie that is being pandered by Controversial that I have attacked people's families online.  Nothing could be further from the truth, but ultimately folks can judge for themselves:

Football Supporter: As he had done repeatedly in the past, FS decided to try and 'insult' me by calling me a "sell-out, working for the yankee dollar"... presumably because I (like many posters here, including the forum Administrators) decided to leave TnT for a better opportunity in the US.  After the latest comment I reminded him that he left his family in England tom come reinvent himself in the tropics as a football administrator.  I didn't say anything that he himself didn't share on the forum, I used his own words to hold a mirror up to him and ask him, "if I'm a sellout for leaving TnT for better opportunities in the US, would it be fair to call you a sellout as well?"  People misconstrued the words and the intent behind them, he complained to Flex and I was suspended.  I am not mad at Flex, I might disagree with what he did, and the way it was done, but he was put in a tough situation and had to do what he felt he had to do.  That's that.

Next is Controversial himself... who has been carrying a grudge for God knows how long.  I never attacked his family, no need for me to do so.  But as with FS I checked him for things he was saying... reminding him that he's not the person in real life that he's trying to be online...way back in 2008 (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=20761.msg449202#msg449202).  So this man carrying this old-ass grudge for over 7 years and I guess now he feel is time to try and get even.  Whatever yes pardna, keep grinding whatever axe yuh feel yuh have to grind, I moved on long time ago.

I wish the forum and everybody else here well.  Who feel that I was ah "online bully" and doh beliong in dey "family", and who I meet and kick it with in person, but now want to distance deyself from me, is no hard feelings, now everybody could move on with dey life  :beermug:

Instead of putting your education to good use, you are using it to be manipulative... You have a grudge against FS because you weren't retained for the 06' inquiry... So you decide to dig into the man personal business, as what you did with me and openly attack their family in public, after you are called out, you then deceitfully remove what you wrote to cover up your tracks like the coward and liar that you are...

Now you come on here like a hypocrite to pretend you're innocent when you know what you are and what you did.. You can't fool me nor others who have been observing your insultive behaviour.. I have no grudge against you, just call it as I see it.. You hide behind your sobriquet and computer screen and attack users anonymously that you don't know to make yourself look bigger because you can't debate properly to win an argument.. I understand you're insecure and suffer from a inferiority complex, seek help for it... You're very familiar with the word "subterfuge"...

Don't come on here and play no bad man for anyone when you go running and crying to flex because your real name get exposed.. You think you could talk about people's families and not be exposed? Sorry fellah, know your place.. I already tell yuh thread carefully..
Title: Re: Should Stephen Hart quit T&T?
Post by: Controversial on August 02, 2015, 10:26:19 AM
.F00ck all ah them.

You come back man !!!!!
Yeah Bakes aka Truetrini aka West Coast..yuh can't take a sabbatical with T&T government and TTFA elections coming up plus WC qualifiers starting  :beermug:
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Sam laid it out correctly ...is that not reason enough to stay? you really think we could discuss politics with c**troversial???
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Bakes out of his league when it comes to talking politics with me...

Birds of a feather flock together... He should come back on and insult your family as well, lemme see if you love him them ...

Allyuh men is some idiots...
Title: Tim Kee: Hart to stay for a long time.
Post by: Flex on August 16, 2015, 05:52:53 AM
Tim Kee: Hart to stay for a long time.
By Nigel Simon (Guardian).


Despite not putting pen to paper on a new contract as yet, Stephen Hart is set to stay on as coach of the T&T Soca Warriors team for a long time to come. This was the assurance given by T&T Football Association (T&TFA) president Raymond Tim Kee while speaking at a media conference at the VIP Lounge, Hasely Crawford Stadium, Mucurapo on Friday.

A former coach of the Canada national team, Hart signed a two-year deal to coach the Soca Warriors in 2013 and in his first tournament less than a month in charge he led the team to the quarterfinal stage of the Concacaf Gold Cup before losing 1-0 to eventual winner Mexico. At his last tournament, also at the Gold Cup in July, he again guided the T&T team to the quarterfinal round before bowing out to Panama, on sudden-death penalty-kicks after a 1-1 draw.

Overall, the T&T coach who is currently on vacation with his family in Canada, has been at the helm of the national team for 25 matches, winning 12 and losing nine with four ending in drawn results. However, since being appointed, Hart’s tenure has been blighted by a feud involving Minister of Sports and former national defender Brent Sancho and Tim Kee which sometimes left the San Fernando-born coach and his part-time technical staff without salaries for months.

Despite the growing frustrations, Hart has been given a very high passing grade by many, and while his current contract ended following the Gold Cup and the T&TFA continues to struggle to generate funding, Tim Kee is certain that the T&T born coach will be staying on for a very long time.

Questioned on if Hart had already signed a new contract, Tim Kee said everything was being put in place for the out of contract coach to do so on his return home from Canada, but he did not want to speak much about it until Hart was present as a form of respect. “I’m not in the habit of speaking about someone’s contract or salary terms when they are not present, so I will prefer to discuss it more at another media briefing when Hart is present,” the T&TFA boss said.

And even though the coach is yet to officially sign a new deal, national goalkeeper Jan-Michael Williams believes he is the right man to take the team where it wants to go. Commenting on the impact on the team by Hart, the T&T goalkeeper said the results under the coach are there to be seen by all. He said, “When coach Hart came on board, it was the first time since 2000 we had qualified for the knockout round of the Gold Cup.

“I think what he has, that other coaches did not have in the past, is that he has that international experience and pedigree, having coached the likes of Canada, and he was born right here, so he actually knows the culture and the people of T&T very well. “He knows his players very well also. He knows when the guys are joking around, how to push us and how to get into our brains and I am really excited going into this 2018 Russia World Cup campaign.”

Soca Warriors to play three matches before USA qualifier

T&T Soca Warriors will have the benefit of three international warm-ups between September and October and possibly two Copa America 2016 playoff matches before meeting powerhouse USA in the semifinal round Concacaf 2018 Russia World Cup qualifying, Group C opener, at the Hasely Crawford Stadium, Mucurapo, on November 17.

This was confirmed by the T&T Football Association national teams Operations Manager, William Wallace while speaking to the media at the VIP Lounge, Hasely Crawford Stadium, Mucurapo, on Friday. Wallace said two matches that have been confirmed are a clash against Mexico on September 4 in Salt Lake City, Utah, which everyone will be looking forward to based on the Soca Warriors showing against them at the Concacaf Gold Cup in the USA last month.

With regards to the upcoming Mexico match, which comes less than two months after a 4–4 thriller at the Gold Cup, Wallace said, “Again, this well be added pressure on the players, but they also have to understand we have to keep the momentum going. “We have to continue to build on what we started and if that is what it takes to bring T&T and the corporate sector on board then they have to understand their role in that.

“We then move on to October, where we have two available Fifa international dates and we already have confirmed a warm-up match with Panama in Panama City, and then the question is if we have any games here in T&T, and we are currently working on that for the other Fifa date in the month (October 13).

However, the T&TFA may have to put off any possible friendly engagements set for October 13, as it may coincide with the first leg of their playoff against Haiti for a spot at next year’s Copa America Championship, the 100th edition, which will be held in the USA. The 16-nation Centenario is scheduled to run from June 3-26 and include the ten South American teams and six invited teams from Concacaf, led by USA and Mexico, the recent Gold Cup winners.

The South American contingent includes Brazil, Argentina, Bolivia, Chile, Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador, Paraguay, Peru and Uruguay, while recent Gold Cup runner-up Jamaica and Costa Rica have sealed places from Concacaf and will be joined by the winners of the T&T/Haiti, and Panama/Cuba home-and-away ties.

T&T will then enter November 17 where its faces USA in its opening Group C Concacaf semifinal round of World Cup qualification for the Russia 2018 World Cup. The Soca Warriors will also come up against the winners of the St Vincent/Grenadines versus Aruba and Guatemala versus Antigua/Barbuda ties.

However, with only the coach Stephen Hart being employed on a full-time basis as part of the technical staff team, Wallace also pointed out that there was a great need for more staff to be added for the national team. He explained: “We have done a comparative study and the T&T team in terms of staff, we have the least numbers compared to the other teams who were at the Concacaf Gold Cup.

“We saw teams with 20-odd persons as technical staff members, but people here in T&T are complaining that we have 12 members. “Every single member of staff has a role to play and when you look at teams like Mexico which operates with a budget of over US$100 million and you see at a tournament like the Olympic qualifiers in 2012 they even brought their own cooks.

“You were not seeing their players even though we were in the same hotel, as they occupied their own floor, and they functioned professionally at that level with a full complement of staff, but we here are still fighting sometimes to take our boys across the road just to get burgers.

“So, again we have to feel very proud when we can go out there and compete and achieve what we do, and this is saying to us that we have a product, and if we can put the necessary support systems behind this product, just imagine where it can take us,” said Wallace.

Title: Re: Tim Kee: Hart to stay for a long time.
Post by: Errol on August 16, 2015, 06:37:09 AM
With all those games and league in full season would love to see if Hart at least look at a few new players, because we could run into trouble, we need a good team for the WCQS..

I hope Hart signs, but he must push to TTFA to meet certain criteria and if they good against it he can break his contract and walk.

He cannot sign and then have nothing to work with. He must seek whats best for him and his players, because his rep will get burnt.

Title: Re: Tim Kee: Hart to stay for a long time.
Post by: Flex on August 17, 2015, 05:01:21 AM
Warriors captain backs coach to qualify T&T
By Ian Prescott (Express).


Faith in Hart

THE captain of the Trinidad and Tobago senior men’s national football team, Jan-Michael Williams is eagerly looking forward to the World Cup qualifying campaign. And he has also endorsed head coach Stephen Hart as the man to take Trinidad and Tobago to the 2018 tournament to be played in Russia.

“I’m really excitedly looking forward to the World Cup qualifiers because I think he (Hart) has what it takes to take us to the next level,” said Williams, who is also eagerly anticipating the November 17 home game against the United States.

“Once we don’t play on the 19th (November) I good,” said Williams, alluding to the famous November 19, 1989 clash between the two countries when Paul Caliguri’s lone goal gave the Americans a 1-0 win, when T&T’s “Strike Squad” needed just a draw to qualify for the Italia 1990 World Cup.

T&T begin 2018 World Cup qualification in November with two matches, the first on November 13 away to the winners of a tie between Guatemala and Antigua and Barbuda before they host the USA in Port of Spain on November 17.

Seeded as one of the top six teams in CONCACAF when the draw was made, T&T got a straight bye into the fourth (semi-final) round of CONCACAF qualifying along with the United States, Mexico, Costa Rica, Panama and Honduras.

The fourth round will see 12 teams--six seeded and six qualifiers--vie for six places in the final round of qualification from which the top three automatically go to the Russian World Cup, while the fourth-placed team enters an inter-continental playoff for another World Cup spot.

Williams, the Central FC goalkeeper, thinks Hart is the man who can carry the Soca Warriors to their second World Cup. A month ago, Hart led the team to a quarter-final spot at the 2015 CONCACAF Gold Cup in the United States when they beat Guatemala (3-1) and Cuba (2-0) and drew with Mexico (4-4) and Panama (1-1) before going out 6-5 on spot-kicks to the Panamanians at the quarter-final stage.

Hart has qualified T&T for successive quarter-finals of the Gold Cup, the CONCACAF region’s top tournament for national teams.

“The results are there to be seen,” Williams said. “In 2013 when Stephen Hart came aboard, it was the first time since 2000 we qualified for the knockout round of the Gold Cup. Since then, the progress has been there for everybody to see.”

Williams described Hart as a perfectionist, but also a players’ coach.

“What he has that a lot of (local) coaches didn’t have in the past, is that he has international experience having coached the Canadian national team, and he was born and bred in Trinidad, so he knows the culture of the people of Trinidad and Tobago and the players.”

T&T 2018 FIFA WORLD CUP QUALIFYING SCHEDULE:

(Round 4)

Nov 13, 2015 – Guatemala/Antigua & Barbuda v Trinidad & Tobago

Nov 17, 2015 - Trinidad & Tobago v United States

Mar 25, 2016 – Aruba/St Vincent & Grenadines v Trinidad & Tobago

Mar 29, 2016 - Trinidad & Tobago v Aruba/St Vincent & Grenadines

Sept 2, 2016 – Trinidad & Tobago v Guatemala/Antigua & Barbuda

Sept 6, 2016 2016 - USA v Trinidad & Tobago

Title: Re: Tim Kee: Hart to stay for a long time.
Post by: Sam on August 17, 2015, 05:43:39 AM
Anybody notice de T&T Express charging people to read they news online.

I say, f00ck them.

Who de hell go pay to read mistake prone news with reporters who cant even write and spell, Ian Prescott and them nah.

Title: Re: Tim Kee: Hart to stay for a long time.
Post by: trini_stallion on August 17, 2015, 07:27:33 AM
Sam I was like wdf really going on with d express...they feel is New York Times o something
Title: Re: Tim Kee: Hart to stay for a long time.
Post by: Deeks on August 17, 2015, 07:56:37 AM
Sam I was like wdf really going on with d express...they feel is New York Times o something

I cuss too, but if NYT can do it....... What do we expect. Maybe we can pool some money online and subscribe, like one forumites suggested.
Title: Re: Tim Kee: Hart to stay for a long time.
Post by: lefty on August 17, 2015, 09:22:42 AM
Sam I was like wdf really going on with d express...they feel is New York Times o something

I cuss too, but if NYT can do it....... What do we expect. Maybe we can pool some money online and subscribe, like one forumites suggested.

I suspect dat as more people ketch on to d fact dat yuh could read it for free online news print sales start to fall guardian been subscription based long time now .....d difference being for 3secs dey does show d whole article so if yuh had keyboard skills yuh could tief it ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tim Kee: Hart to stay for a long time.
Post by: andre samuel on August 17, 2015, 09:47:59 AM


T&T 2018 FIFA WORLD CUP QUALIFYING SCHEDULE:

(Round 4)

Nov 13, 2015 – Guatemala/Antigua & Barbuda v Trinidad & Tobago

Nov 17, 2015 - Trinidad & Tobago v United States

Mar 25, 2016 – Aruba/St Vincent & Grenadines v Trinidad & Tobago

Mar 29, 2016 - Trinidad & Tobago v Aruba/St Vincent & Grenadines

Sept 2, 2016 – Trinidad & Tobago v Guatemala/Antigua & Barbuda

Sept 6, 2016 2016 - USA v Trinidad & Tobago

Why is the Express reporting as if our first game is against USA?

Whether we qualify out of this group and into the HEX will not be dependant on what we do vs USA.  So lets please focus on the fact that there are two other teams in the group.
Title: Re: Tim Kee: Hart to stay for a long time.
Post by: Deeks on August 17, 2015, 11:38:00 AM
Express sees that as our most important game. We on the forum have better sense than that.
Title: Re: Tim Kee: Hart to stay for a long time.
Post by: gawd on pitch on August 17, 2015, 11:56:04 AM
Anybody notice de T&T Express charging people to read they news online.

I say, f00ck them.

Who de hell go pay to read mistake prone news with reporters who cant even write and spell, Ian Prescott and them nah.



Mistake prone, poor journalism, inaccuracies.. you name it.

The Toronto Star used to offer readers only 10 free articles a month. They realized that people still got access to the story through sharing or finding it from another source. As a consequence, less readers started visiting their site. Now you can read all the articles that are published on the website. However, the reader has to subscribe to get access to some of the big and breaking news stories.



Title: Re: Tim Kee: Hart to stay for a long time.
Post by: Tallman on August 17, 2015, 05:11:37 PM
Jan-Michael Williams, Raymond Tim Kee, and William Wallace speak about the impact of Stephen Hart, the TTFA’s rebranding initiative, and the operations of the various national teams.

https://www.youtube.com/v/zk0_9_GQJTg
Title: Re: Tim Kee: Hart to stay for a long time.
Post by: palos on August 17, 2015, 06:24:01 PM
We team like a Scotsman

Hart nickname is Bravehart (brave fuh tekkin de wuk in de fuss place and even more brave to still be dey)

Now dey have William Wallace as manager...William Wallace was played by Mel Gibson in Braveheart

Title: Re: Tim Kee: Hart to stay for a long time.
Post by: coache on August 17, 2015, 06:28:18 PM
...Even if we don't get to Russia Hart should remain and he should be given a bigger role in the development of football in Trinidad and Tobago.
Title: Re: Tim Kee: Hart to stay for a long time.
Post by: asylumseeker on August 18, 2015, 09:16:01 AM
We team like a Scotsman

Hart nickname is Bravehart (brave fuh tekkin de wuk in de fuss place and even more brave to still be dey)

Now dey have William Wallace as manager...William Wallace was played by Mel Gibson in Braveheart

Was thinking de same ting ...
Title: Re: Tim Kee: Hart to stay for a long time.
Post by: Controversial on August 18, 2015, 09:37:06 AM
We team like a Scotsman

Hart nickname is Bravehart (brave fuh tekkin de wuk in de fuss place and even more brave to still be dey)

Now dey have William Wallace as manager...William Wallace was played by Mel Gibson in Braveheart

Was thinking de same ting ...

let the symbolism begin... ;D
Title: Re: Tim Kee: Hart to stay for a long time.
Post by: Controversial on August 18, 2015, 09:37:35 AM
...Even if we don't get to Russia Hart should remain and he should be given a bigger role in the development of football in Trinidad and Tobago.

no negative thoughts brother.. we are making Russia 2018...
Title: Re: Tim Kee: Hart to stay for a long time.
Post by: Flex on August 27, 2015, 02:36:24 AM
Hart returns for crucial talks with Tim Kee.
By Nigel Simon (Guardian).


Soca Warriors coach Stephen Hart is set for show down talks with T&T Football Federation president, Raymon Tim Kee in the coming days over his future as plans for the senior men’s team 2018 Russia Fifa World Cup qualifying campaign gets going in November.

The 55-year-old Hart, who returned home earlier this week from vacationing in his adopted homeland Canada is currently without a contract after his two-year deal expired at the end of the 2015 Concacaf Gold Cup in the USA last month but from all indications is more than likely to sign on to continue in the position, providing the T&TFF meet his requirements.

Contacted yesterday, Hart who guided T&T to a second straight Gold Cup quarterfinal appearance said, "I haven’t put pen to paper on a new deal, because we have a lot of things to put in place first and make sure that we have the proper programme in place as wee look towards the start of the World Cup qualifying campaign.

Earlier this month at a T&TFF media conference, Tim Kee boasted that Hart was set to stay on as coach of the T&T Soca Warriors team for a long time to come.

A former coach of the Canada national team, Hart signed a two-year deal to coach the Soca Warriors in 2013 and in his first tournament less than a month in charge he led the team to the quarterfinal stage of the Concacaf Gold Cup before losing 1-0 to eventual Mexico.

In his last tournament, the Gold Cup in July, he again guided the T&T team to the quarterfinal round before bowing out to Panama, on sudden-death penalty-kicks after a 1-1 draw.

Overall, as coach of the T&T team, Hart has a record of 12 wins, nine loses and four draws in 25 matches, a fair return for a man who’s time at helm has been overshadowed and hampered by a feud involving Minister of Sports and former national defender Brent Sancho and Tim Kee which sometimes left the San Fernando-born coach, the only full-time technical staff employee and the rest of his staff without salaries for months.

Back then when asked about Hart’s coaching status with the team, an upbeat Tim Kee said everything was being put in place for the out of contract coach to do so on his return home from Canada, but he did not want to speak much about it until Hart was present as a form of respect.

Title: Re: Tim Kee: Hart to stay for a long time.
Post by: trini_stallion on August 27, 2015, 03:24:10 AM
BraveHart...we believe in you! We believe in you...TTFA/MOS give this gentleman the tools and he will build the road to Russia! WE BELIEVE!!!
Title: Re: Tim Kee: Hart to stay for a long time.
Post by: asylumseeker on August 27, 2015, 07:58:16 AM
Hart returns for crucial talks with Tim Kee.
By Nigel Simon (Guardian).

...


Perhaps Simon needs to reflect on the significance of TTFF v TTFA.
Title: Re: Tim Kee: Hart to stay for a long time.
Post by: ON DE BLOCK on August 28, 2015, 03:03:59 AM
Real talk, give Mr. Hart total control, when it comes to the soca warriors his rank must be commander-in-chief  with only the prime minister having the final say. a budget must be allocated to him, and he choose his staff, a caribbean airlines jet must be painted over with soca warriors in big writing on both sides an be the official jet of the team. the team kits has to be something never seen before, so appealing you have to buy at least two. we need a pro football commentator with real throat who could hold de word goal for long, ...
Title: Re: Tim Kee: Hart to stay for a long time.
Post by: Deeks on August 28, 2015, 04:59:40 AM
Hart returns for crucial talks with Tim Kee.
By Nigel Simon (Guardian).

...


Perhaps Simon needs to reflect on the significance of TTFF v TTFA.

Boy, ah tell yuh!!!
Title: Re: Tim Kee: Hart to stay for a long time.
Post by: dreamer on August 28, 2015, 08:47:39 AM
Real talk, give Mr. Hart total control, when it comes to the soca warriors his rank must be commander-in-chief  with only the prime minister having the final say. a budget must be allocated to him, and he choose his staff, a caribbean airlines jet must be painted over with soca warriors in big writing on both sides an be the official jet of the team. the team kits has to be something never seen before, so appealing you have to buy at least two. we need a pro football commentator with real throat who could hold de word goal for long, ...

Good stuff, ODB. Sounds jokey, but not so jokey when yuh study it good.
Title: Re: Tim Kee: Hart to stay for a long time.
Post by: kounty on August 28, 2015, 08:56:07 AM
Real talk, give Mr. Hart total control, when it comes to the soca warriors his rank must be commander-in-chief  with only the prime minister having the final say. a budget must be allocated to him, and he choose his staff, a caribbean airlines jet must be painted over with soca warriors in big writing on both sides an be the official jet of the team. the team kits has to be something never seen before, so appealing you have to buy at least two. we need a pro football commentator with real throat who could hold de word goal for long, ...

Good stuff, ODB. Sounds jokey, but not so jokey when yuh study it good.
Ditto  :beermug:
Title: Re: Tim Kee: Hart to stay for a long time.
Post by: Flex on August 29, 2015, 01:02:26 PM
Hart awaiting guarantees before signing.
By Nigel Simon (Guardian).


Soca Warriors coach Stephen Hart says he is awaiting certain guarantees to be met before putting pen to paper on a new contract with the T&T Football Association (TTFA).

A former Canada men’s national team coach, Hart, 55 confirmed that he did receive a contract offer by the TTFA headed by its president, Raymon Tim Kee but he was waiting for some confirmation with regards to his programmes and proper wording of the offer before committing to leading the team into the 2018 Russia Fifa World Cup qualifying campaign which gets going in November.

He made this disclosure at a TTFA media briefing held to announce the team for Friday’s international friendly away to Mexico at Rio Tinto Stadium in Sandy, Salt Lake, Utah.

He said, “I am yet to sit and talk with the federation, but in the meantime I have a job to do with regards to the upcoming matches and maybe when I return something will be sorted out soon.”

Despite not agreeing to the new contract as yet, Hart who returned home earlier this week from vacationing in his adopted homeland, Canada, has been given the full backing by Tim Kee to carry on in the job for a long time to come.

He is currently operating without a contract after his two-year deal expired at the end of the Concacaf Gold Cup in the USA last month when T&T was ousted 6-5 on penalty-kicks by Panama after a 1-1 draw, at the quarterfinal stage.

It was the second straight time Hart had carried the team to the quarterfinals after losing to Mexico, 1-0 in 2013 after only being a month in the position.

Overall, as coach of the T&T team, Hart has a record of 12 wins, nine loses and four draws in 25 matches, a fair return for a man who’s time at helm has been overshadowed and hampered greatly by a feud involving Minister of Sports and former national defender Brent Sancho and Tim Kee which sometimes left the San Fernando-born coach, the only full-time technical staff employee and the rest of his staff without salaries for months.

Title: Re: Tim Kee: Hart to stay for a long time.
Post by: ON DE BLOCK on August 29, 2015, 11:00:50 PM
where have all we trini's gone, there is a new term called "by-stander syndrome" where the whole world just stand by and watch the twin towers fall, Obama legalize gay-ism, expolsion in china , false flags, landing on the moon, flat earth, what is real what is deception?? All these people upholding the illusion of morality, but we believe in one the Lord Jesus Christ, who is able to do the exceeding abundant of all that we can think or do, who paid the price the alpha and omega, let us put our trust in him,all else is failure, the third world war is upon us, the rapture is at hand, who do you say I am, thou art the Christ, flesh an blood has not revealed this to you but my father which is heaven, and upon this rock, I build my church, friends all things is about to come to a sudden stop, I can talk football but the reality is we are heading for perilous times the righteous will walk out on the ashes of the wicked, fear not little flock, within the coming weeks things are to unfold, everything is by his grace and mercy, so lets see how this one unfolds, amen... lets see if Hart will stay, I wish he does, but time will tell. amen..
Title: Re: Tim Kee: Hart to stay for a long time.
Post by: Deeks on August 29, 2015, 11:32:27 PM
Breds, that was some  heavy intro on Hart's behalf!
Title: Re: Tim Kee: Hart to stay for a long time.
Post by: gawd on pitch on August 30, 2015, 07:25:24 AM
where have all we trini's gone, there is a new term called "by-stander syndrome" where the whole world just stand by and watch the twin towers fall, Obama legalize gay-ism, expolsion in china , false flags, landing on the moon, flat earth, what is real what is deception?? All these people upholding the illusion of morality, but we believe in one the Lord Jesus Christ, who is able to do the exceeding abundant of all that we can think or do, who paid the price the alpha and omega, let us put our trust in him,all else is failure, the third world war is upon us, the rapture is at hand, who do you say I am, thou art the Christ, flesh an blood has not revealed this to you but my father which is heaven, and upon this rock, I build my church, friends all things is about to come to a sudden stop, I can talk football but the reality is we are heading for perilous times the righteous will walk out on the ashes of the wicked, fear not little flock, within the coming weeks things are to unfold, everything is by his grace and mercy, so lets see how this one unfolds, amen... lets see if Hart will stay, I wish he does, but time will tell. amen..
where have all we trini's gone, there is a new term called "by-stander syndrome" where the whole world just stand by and watch the twin towers fall, Obama legalize gay-ism, expolsion in china , false flags, landing on the moon, flat earth, what is real what is deception?? All these people upholding the illusion of morality, but we believe in one the Lord Jesus Christ, who is able to do the exceeding abundant of all that we can think or do, who paid the price the alpha and omega, let us put our trust in him,all else is failure, the third world war is upon us, the rapture is at hand, who do you say I am, thou art the Christ, flesh an blood has not revealed this to you but my father which is heaven, and upon this rock, I build my church, friends all things is about to come to a sudden stop, I can talk football but the reality is we are heading for perilous times the righteous will walk out on the ashes of the wicked, fear not little flock, within the coming weeks things are to unfold, everything is by his grace and mercy, so lets see how this one unfolds, amen... lets see if Hart will stay, I wish he does, but time will tell. amen..

The only thing missing from that is hallelujah..

I like your ideas about rebranding the team. As one poster said, it might sound jokey. But that is the direction we have to go if we want to get the support needed to move ahead. Our track and field administration can also borrow a page from that.

Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread.
Post by: Tallman on September 10, 2015, 04:37:39 PM
LISTEN LIVE on i95.5FM: Coach Stephen Hart talks football with Andre Errol Baptiste. Topics include the state of the team, player availability, coaching, his future, upcoming matches, the World Cup Qualifiers, the T&T Pro League and funding the national programme.

LINK: http://tunein.com/i955fm
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on September 10, 2015, 05:24:28 PM
Gosh Andre, yuh have a mic ... doh shout. ;D
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread.
Post by: palos on September 10, 2015, 06:43:19 PM
LISTEN LIVE on i95.5FM: Coach Stephen Hart talks football with Andre Errol Baptiste. Topics include the state of the team, player availability, coaching, his future, upcoming matches, the World Cup Qualifiers, the T&T Pro League and funding the national programme.

LINK: http://tunein.com/i955fm

Gi we a recap of what went on please. 

Much appreciated  :beermug:
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread.
Post by: Tallman on September 11, 2015, 11:02:23 AM
LISTEN LIVE on i95.5FM: Coach Stephen Hart talks football with Andre Errol Baptiste. Topics include the state of the team, player availability, coaching, his future, upcoming matches, the World Cup Qualifiers, the T&T Pro League and funding the national programme.

LINK: http://tunein.com/i955fm

Gi we a recap of what went on please. 

Much appreciated  :beermug:

Daiz too much tuh type and remember. Ah trying tuh see if ah could get ah podcast or something of de show.
Title: Re: Tim Kee: Hart to stay for a long time.
Post by: Flex on September 17, 2015, 02:27:06 AM
Hart set to sign contract.
By Nigel Simon (Guardian).


Raymond Tim Kee, president of T&T Football Association (T&TFA) says there is no need to panic over the ongoing contract negotiations with Soca Warriors coach Stephen Hart.

The 55-year-old Hart, a former Canada national coach is currently without a contract after his two-year deal with the T&TFA expired at the end of the 2015 Concacaf Gold Cup in the USA in July where he led the Soca Warriors to the quarterfinals before they were ousted 6-5 on penalty kicks by Panama after a 1-1 draw,

It was the second straight time Hart had carried the team to the quarterfinals after losing to Mexico, 1-0 in 2013 after being in the job for a month while his last international outing in charge of the team on September 4, was a 3-3 draw against Concacaf Gold Cup champions, Mexico at the Rio Tinto Stadium, in Salt Lake, Utah, USA.

It was also the second straight high scoring draw between both teams, after a pulsating 4-4 draw in the Concacaf Gold Cup round-robin group stage.

Overall, Hart now has a record of 12 wins, nine loses and five draws in 26 matches,

Contacted on Tuesday, Tim Kee said, “Up to yesterday (Monday), the general secretary of the T&TFA Sheldon Phillips and I had meetings with our legal representatives and coach Hart with respect to the details of the contract and everything is going to plan.”

However, Tim Kee was quick to point out there were certain specifics within the contract he was able to make full commitment on as yet because it depended on the support and partnership with major sponsors and stakeholders.

Tim Kee said one thing that was certain was that he would not make any promises that he or the T&TFA would be unable to keep.”

The T&TFA boss also hinted at having the entire technical staff on board full-time as compared to Hart's previous two-year stint, when he was the only coach of member of staff being paid as a full-time staff.

He said, “We are trying to have the full technical staff on board as full-time staff and we are continuing to work towards this with our stakeholders and hopefully we will have everything sorted out shortly.

“But at the moment we are not in a hurry and coach Hart has stated he is comfortable with the situation, so I see no need for any sides to panic.”

Title: Re: Tim Kee: Hart to stay for a long time.
Post by: Insider on September 27, 2015, 05:07:23 AM
I heard that Chicago Fire is eying Stephan Hart to be their head coach.

Hart refuse to sign a contract with T&T until certain criteria is met as the TTFA cannot make any guarantees and he is fed up of poor administration work and false promises.

Title: Re: Tim Kee: Hart to stay for a long time.
Post by: Deeks on September 27, 2015, 05:19:38 AM
Oh, boy!
Title: Re: Tim Kee: Hart to stay for a long time.
Post by: Tallman on September 27, 2015, 07:41:39 AM
I heard that Chicago Fire is eying Stephan Hart to be their head coach.

Chicago Fire eyeing former Mexico national team head coach Miguel Herrera to fill vacancy (http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2015/09/25/report-chicago-fire-eyeing-former-mexico-national-team-head-coach-miguel-her)
Title: Re: Tim Kee: Hart to stay for a long time.
Post by: dreamer on September 27, 2015, 08:21:15 AM
....

Hart refuse to sign a contract with T&T until certain criteria is met as the TTFA cannot make any guarantees and he is fed up of poor administration work and false promises.



Just goes to show how sick the TTFA is. Yuh think BraveHart is asking for some unreasonable provisions for the staff, players?
But no, Uncle Tim, instead of realizing what a talent / blessing he has in Hart, playin' hardball and resistant to change, to protect what?
No wonder they at the TTFA are even more low profile recently. Evil bunch of corrupt, self serving traitors, with no interest in the recently rebounding socawarriors, intent on damaging the fragile football sector and national team. Sick.
Title: Re: Tim Kee: Hart to stay for a long time.
Post by: Sando prince on September 27, 2015, 08:38:30 AM

Hart is a good coach so I expect clubs and countries to try and reel him in. Should I blame the TTFF for dat?
Title: Re: Tim Kee: Hart to stay for a long time.
Post by: dreamer on September 27, 2015, 08:50:55 AM
Uncle Tim, put in the provisions now so that Hart can sign the effin contract.
Every day delayed is damaging the team's preparations.
Hart, do like Beenhakker and stand by your principles. No pay for the staff, then no contract. You have to feed your family, pay your mortgage, send your children to school. Same for the other staff and many others suffering. THe players need protection from exploitation.  Is not about pleasing the interests of socawarriors.net. You have enough respect from the T&T public and thus leverage to be trusted on a decision to walk away for principle. No justice for the unsung heroes/soldiers of the football teams then no fun for us. Hard luck for Sam, Deeks, Tallman, Flex and all de other ball peongs who rely on this game.  TTFA wil have to learn and feel the wrath of the T&T public if they shit you up for spite.  Uncle Tim, once again .... you are advised to offer the revised "Hart" version of the contract for BraveHart to sign.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread.
Post by: Tallman on October 21, 2015, 10:59:00 AM
LISTEN LIVE on i95.5FM: Coach Stephen Hart talks football with Andre Errol Baptiste. Topics include the state of the team, player availability, coaching, his future, upcoming matches, the World Cup Qualifiers, the T&T Pro League and funding the national programme.

LINK: http://tunein.com/i955fm

Gi we a recap of what went on please. 

Much appreciated  :beermug:

It took a while to get it, but here's the interview in its entirety.
https://www.youtube.com/v/W3EfKggNoLA
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread.
Post by: Sam on November 03, 2015, 08:00:22 AM
If I was Hart ah wonder f00cking resign until things get better.

Tim Kee is ah mad man.

And de minister of Sport is another tun tun.

Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Sando prince on November 04, 2015, 02:19:14 PM

The TTFA has dismissed reports, which state that National Team head coach Stephen Hart has resigned. In a release issued by the TTFA this morning Hart is quoted as saying: “There is no truth to the rumours. We have two crucial World Cup qualifying matches to prepare for and that remains the focus. The selection of the team is already finalised and will be made public shortly...”

Here's the full release issued by Shaun Fuentes the TTFA's Director of Communications: https://www.facebook.com/cnewslive/photos/a.10150137684225610.332278.377693645609/10153673057200610/?type=3&theater  (https://www.facebook.com/cnewslive/photos/a.10150137684225610.332278.377693645609/10153673057200610/?type=3&theater)

 (https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/12191915_10153673057200610_7126614156953176857_n.png?oh=a14306ac20833b7b620938b75ba6262b&oe=56BC96B3)
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Deeks on November 04, 2015, 03:43:28 PM
Why is this bakanal appearing at the crucial WC qualifying. Why can't we have a friggin normal build up to a WC. shims man!
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Mose on November 04, 2015, 09:51:51 PM
Why is this bakanal appearing at the crucial WC qualifying. Why can't we have a friggin normal build up to a WC. shims man!

So I see the campaign to replace RTK has begun...
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Deeks on November 05, 2015, 07:35:32 AM
Why is this bakanal appearing at the crucial WC qualifying. Why can't we have a friggin normal build up to a WC. shims man!

So I see the campaign to replace RTK has begun...

Well, that may be true. But that perception is present because we keep getting mixed signal from the Association every week. Sheldon get fired.  next week, Sheldon may be rehired!! What? What?
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Flex on November 26, 2015, 02:56:57 AM
Hart: We’ve achieved nothing to date.
By Shaun Fuentes (Guardian).


Stephen Hart was no short of crediting his team for their unbeaten start to the “Road to Russia” campaign but he has warned that nothing has been achieved as T&T must now look to take care of St Vincent/Grenadines away on March 25 and then at home on March 29.

“All the players did their part and the fans were a wonderful 12th man. When you consider that we flew back here after almost ten hours after reaching the airport in Guatemala on Saturday morning, and then have to get the sessions and prepare sufficiently for such a big game, you really must give credit to the boys for their efforts,” Hart said, following the recent two matches against Guatemala and the United States.

“We are growing and maturing more and more. That’s all part of becoming a unit and we’re going to continue striving towards that and getting to being the team that I think we are strongly capable of. But we have to be mindful of the fact that we have not really achieved anything that warrants any celebration. Yes we can say it’s a decent start but there’s a very long journey ahead and we must take the course as it comes.

“Our backline was solid, the midfielders were compact and did their job and of course our front runners were penetrative and caused a lot of problems for the opponent. Kenwyne worked very hard and I was pleased with his efforts. Generally I can’t say there was anything more I could have asked for from the players. But of course we would have loved to be sitting on six points heading into next year and we’ll just have to keep plugging away towards qualifying for the next stage.”

The team will resume training in late December ahead of the Copa America Centenario playoff with Haiti in Panama City on January 8. The teams already through to the Copa America 2016 include Brazil, Argentina, USA, Mexico, Costa Rica Jamaica, Bolivia, Chile, Ecuador, Colombia, Paraguay, Uruguay, Venezuela and Peru.

Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: 100% Barataria on November 26, 2015, 07:36:46 AM
Well said coach, keep them grounded  :beermug:
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Sam on November 26, 2015, 07:51:18 AM
Good talk Hartie.

Title: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: sub1 on January 08, 2016, 06:10:56 PM
For the life of me I am befuddled by his continued faith in Cyrus. Cyrus is possibly the worst right back on this team at this moment. The only reason I can come up with for the moment is that Cyrus is the best at the long throw.  I shiver every time he touches the ball!!
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: de_redman on January 08, 2016, 06:35:48 PM
Doh start dat sh!t .... And what your comment have to do with hart? Smh
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: sub1 on January 08, 2016, 06:40:09 PM
As I said, I respect Hart. Cyrus, in my book, is an accident that is always waiting to happen. Hart may disagree, and he is the coach. I don't believe that I know half the football that he does. However, my opinion is and always was, Cyrus just can't cut the mustard, Sorry if that upset you but it is my opinion.
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: Errol on January 08, 2016, 06:45:27 PM
That's the worst I ever see T&T play.

Hart sub a striker for a striker and a defensive midfielder for a defensive midfielder in a must win game.

The long balls killed us, Haiti looked like they wanted it more, T&T players Hyland and Boucaud did not lead the way for senior players.

I don't blame Hart too much. But the Chelsea approach just does not work in today's football, he did the same vs USA.

When a team is hot you have to build on that, not cool them down.

Who plays with one striker in a must win game especially in the second half?

433 or 442.

Why play concertive and then hope to hit on the counter against HAITI !!!!!

Haiti !!!!!

We tried 3 times to qualify for the Copa America and failed.

Maybe is just not our time.

Better luck next time T&T.

Good luck to Hart and his team, I know Hart is a good guy, I just hope he approach games differently depending on the importance.

Lesson learnt.

Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: sub1 on January 08, 2016, 06:47:43 PM
That's the worst I ever see T&T play.

Hart sub a striker for a striker and a defensive midfielder for a defensive midfielder in a must win game.

The long balls killed us, Haiti looked like they wanted it more, T&T players Hyland and Boucaud did not lead the way for senior players.

I don't blame Hart too much. But the Chelsea approach just does not work in today's football, he did the same vs USA.

When a team is hot you have to build on that, not cool them down.

Who plays with one striker in a must win game especially in the second half?

433 or 442.

Why play concertive and then hope to hit on the counter against HAITI !!!!!

Haiti !!!!!

We tried 3 times to qualify for the Copa America and failed.

Maybe is just not our time.

Better luck next time T&T.

Good luck to Hart and his team, I know Hart is a good guy, I just hope he approach games differently depending on the importance.

Lesson learnt.



Well said!!
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: Sam on January 08, 2016, 06:52:13 PM
Hartie boy, hard luck.

De players fail yuh.

I real sad, this hurts.

We still have the world cup to look forward to, I hope you get the tools to improve your team and recruit a few decent players because when one or two players out, we have nothing to draw from.

Good luck Hartie.

I have faith in you man.

Sometimes, we win, sometimes we lose, that's part of the game.

Let's learn and move on.

One thing I hope you do Harite, look to improve your team, there are many players out there.

Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: dreamer on January 08, 2016, 07:05:35 PM
Hartie boy, hard luck.

De players fail yuh.

I real sad, this hurts.

We still have the world cup to look forward to, I hope you get the tools to improve your team and recruit a few decent players because when one or two players out, we have nothing to draw from.

Good luck Hartie.

I have faith in you man.

Sometimes, we win, sometimes we lose, that's part of the game.

Let's learn and move on.

One thing I hope you do Harite, look to improve your team, there are many players out there.

Proud of you Sam that you eh waste dong de side and have a melt dong. I believe we can see the real effort that this side put in. It just was hard luck.
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: Sam on January 08, 2016, 07:06:01 PM
Shahdon Winchester looked very good, I am surprise.

Mitchell too.

de rest, boy, lard fadda.

We need reinforcements bad.

I hope Hart get some support and games before we play St Vincent.

I just can't believe Haiti beat we and they missing 5 of their starters.

lard !!!

Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: soccerman on January 08, 2016, 07:08:45 PM
We have a blight with Haiti
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: Star Child on January 08, 2016, 07:20:39 PM
Did the players get their money?

There must be a reason why they played so badly.

I don't blame the coach 100%, but his tactics were every boring against a weak understrength Haitian team.

Oh well, this is T&T, we play good in games we don't need to win.

I couldn't believe he brought on Hackshaw, a youth who never played in such a big game and have Guerra, Rundell and Cato on the bench is like he was hoping not to loose instead of gooding for the win.

Hart approach is the careful and that's when team makes mistakes.

We use one style and certain players are sure picks.

Like Sam said, I hope he gets more games and look to extend the team.

Good luck Mr Hart and welcome to the big games.

Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: Deeks on January 08, 2016, 09:12:19 PM
There is a saying. there is a fine line between a hero and a goat!
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: Sando prince on January 08, 2016, 10:59:35 PM
We have a blight with Haiti

We have a winning record against Haiti. So wha blight yuh talking about?
.
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: soccerman on January 08, 2016, 11:15:13 PM
We have a blight with Haiti

We have a winning record against Haiti. So wha blight yuh talking about?
.

Yes but didn't we lose to them back with Gally and those guys for a chance to go the WC in Germany? Back then the refs robbed us and now a simple blunder cost us another opportunity.
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: Deeks on January 08, 2016, 11:25:30 PM
Yes but didn't we lose to them back with Gally and those guys for a chance to go the WC in Germany?

That happened years ago. Haiti eh no johnny come lately in football. They have pedigree. It is not no blight. We did not play well. Go ahead blame Hart. Indeed he is the coach. But the players have to take the responsibility for the loss.  Maybe Cummins, Molino may have made a difference, but we just did not inspire confidence last night.
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: pull stones on January 09, 2016, 02:13:10 AM
I am surprised that hart still here, and out of contract at that. I am of the opinion that hart is fed up of this situation and will soon exit the stage because of the lack of support from the federation.as for the players,These guys are an anomaly, one minute they beating world class teams,and in the next breath they losing to unseeded teams. This must be extremely frustrating for a coach.
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: Errol on January 09, 2016, 04:40:33 AM
Hart have a right to be frustrated because we went into one of the most important games since Bahrain without a friendly, not to mention the TTFA don't pay on time, but Hart is still here and he should do his best for the country once on the field, same with the players.

Haiti were in the same position like us, they were missing many regulars too.

The difference between the teams were the confidence Haiti played with and how the players took to the new coach. Did you see the guy on the sidelines, whole game he was there talking to them even when Haiti players looked frustrated in the first half.

If you have a coach who sounds like he is not sure or always frustrated it does not instill confidence in the players.

I don't know if something is wrong behind the scenes, but no one on T&T team and staff looks happy.

Our approach were to dull. We were the big fish but played like the little one. Haiti respected us more than we did to them and after they realise T&T was off them built and won.

I swear I was watching Defence Force play, our midfield was none existent and the play was slow, the ball was going from defence to up front and no one there, then you leave some of the better players on the bench and brought on a kid who never played for T&T before in such a match who failed to get the ball after chasing down the player and Haiti scored. Only high balls, while Haiti built confidence and had the ball rolling.

Hart is a decent guy and I hope he stays, his players did not play well, it happens to everyone, I was just hoping it didn't happened in such an important match.

Let's see if the TTFA will get him some games to sort out his team, Hart needs it, he has had a rough time under Tim Kee going into tournaments without games, time to change that and time to improve your team Hart and scout a few more players out there that can improve your team, the TTFA must make sure they give him that luxury.

We have St Vincent in 2 months, lets see if the TTFA will step it up.

All the talk from David John Williams while he was campaigning and all of a sudden you can't hear from him or see any of his promise materialised. A politician at its best.

All is not lose guys, good luck T&T, let's learn and move on.

Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: KND2 on January 09, 2016, 08:19:47 AM
Without K Jones or cummings
Goals was always going to be hard to come by.

and Molino missing as well.

Haiti is a problem for us because they are fast and physical and we cannot overpower them like Guatemala.

Skill wise it is a wash.

this was always going to be a hard game.
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: pull stones on January 09, 2016, 08:28:14 AM
Without K Jones or cummings
Goals was always going to be hard to come by.

and Molino missing as well.

Haiti is a problem for us because they are fast and physical and we cannot overpower them like Guatemala.

Skill wise it is a wash.

this was always going to be a hard game.
what friendly you talking about mate? there is no Fifa dates until March and some leagues are in full swing as we speak. we should thank our lucky stars that we got most of the foreign base to play this game.
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: Coach on January 09, 2016, 09:43:04 AM
Shahdon Winchester looked very good, I am surprise.

Mitchell too.

de rest, boy, lard fadda.

We need reinforcements bad.

I hope Hart get some support and games before we play St Vincent.

I just can't believe Haiti beat we and they missing 5 of their starters.

lard !!!


And how many starters we missing?

Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: Sam on January 09, 2016, 09:47:59 AM
Jones, Bateau and Cummings.

Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: Coach on January 09, 2016, 10:21:29 AM
What about Molino and Hector?
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: Deeks on January 09, 2016, 10:42:20 AM
Hector has not played for us in a while. But still, this team should have won with the men we have. But as we all know, as the Haitian comfort  level in the midfield grew, it became our downfall. Like dreamer or Sando observed, after awhile the Haitian was able to figure out our weakness and played to suit. Maybe having a French coach and with most of the players in the French league was an advantage. But we pulling at straws here. We were not good enough last night.
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: Fyzoman on January 09, 2016, 12:51:00 PM
For the life of me I am befuddled by his continued faith in Cyrus. Cyrus is possibly the worst right back on this team at this moment. The only reason I can come up with for the moment is that Cyrus is the best at the long throw.  I shiver every time he touches the ball!!

Unless your name is Dani Alves--or in Abu Bakr case Lucio--what the hell you doing trying to dribble out of your defense?? I have a D license and only coach JV football and you can't do that playing for me...apparently you can do that for Hartie:(




Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: Sam on January 09, 2016, 04:07:47 PM
What about Molino and Hector?

Molino have not played for us a year now and Hector over 2 years.

Come nah.

We lost fair and square.

Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: ffisback on January 10, 2016, 02:48:40 AM
S Hart is playing a outdated English brand of football that they play in Canada that did not work and is not going to work in T&T because Trinidad is were Latin America meets the Caribbean we need a #10 player to pull the strings the players he is picking cannot play that role Cummings could score goals but he lacks creativity T&T should hire a coach that would bring players like S De Silva and M W ling into squad.
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: asylumseeker on January 10, 2016, 06:02:52 AM
S Hart is playing a outdated English brand of football that they play in Canada that did not work and is not going to work in T&T because Trinidad is were Latin America meets the Caribbean we need a #10 player to pull the strings the players he is picking cannot play that role Cummings could score goals but he lacks creativity T&T should hire a coach that would bring players like S De Silva and M W ling into squad.

Matthew Woo Ling is our saviour?
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: ffisback on January 10, 2016, 11:07:32 AM
S Hart is playing a outdated English brand of football that they play in Canada that did not work and is not going to work in T&T because Trinidad is were Latin America meets the Caribbean we need a #10 player to pull the strings the players he is picking cannot play that role Cummings could score goals but he lacks creativity T&T should hire a coach that would bring players like S De Silva and M W ling into squad.

Matthew Woo Ling is our saviour?
No but a good coach who would give these players a chance would be.
S Hart is playing a outdated English brand of football that they play in Canada that did not work and is not going to work in T&T because Trinidad is were Latin America meets the Caribbean we need a #10 player to pull the strings the players he is picking cannot play that role Cummings could score goals but he lacks creativity T&T should hire a coach that would bring players like S De Silva and M W ling into squad.

Matthew Woo Ling is our saviour?
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: Jumbie on January 10, 2016, 11:27:00 AM
Quote
No but a good coach who would give these players a chance would be

so thats how it works? Don't the player/s have to meet certain criteria to "Make" the team? Or we just giving anyone ah bligh? I'm sure when they prove themselves within the framework/vision the coach have for what he wants to achieve, they will be given such 'chance'.

But I'm not the coach, jus ah lil commonsense.
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: fishs on January 10, 2016, 12:03:46 PM

The players showed no intensity, slow slow football against a team like Haiti. The first 5 mins they run hard and had Haiti on the back foot after that is like savannah football.

Winchester and earlier Joevin looked like the only players with some intent.

This side getting real licks form the big names if that is the way the going to play.

Hart will get frustrated an pack up
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: ffisback on January 10, 2016, 05:44:54 PM
Quote
No but a good coach who would give these players a chance would be

so thats how it works? Don't the player/s have to meet certain criteria to "Make" the team? Or we just giving anyone ah bligh? I'm sure when they prove themselves within the framework/vision the coach have for what he wants to achieve, they will be given such 'chance'.

But I'm not the coach, jus ah lil commonsense.
commonsense tells me the style of football he is playing he will not include those playing it does not matter how good those players are playing he's just about physical football.
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: Errol on January 11, 2016, 09:13:58 AM
S Hart is playing a outdated English brand of football that they play in Canada that did not work and is not going to work in T&T because Trinidad is were Latin America meets the Caribbean we need a #10 player to pull the strings the players he is picking cannot play that role Cummings could score goals but he lacks creativity T&T should hire a coach that would bring players like S De Silva and M W ling into squad.

Sean De Silva maybe, still can't see him start, but we need a real number 10, Woo Ling has fall of a great deal.

I feel Nick DeLeon would help us a lot because he works really hard the entire game.

We need a few foreign players because the local guys are not serious.

They have the talent but not the mentality.

Look at Cummings, he has a discipline problem.

I plead to David John Williams to really step in and give Hart the tools to do a proper job.

Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: spideybuff on January 11, 2016, 09:53:30 AM
Hart said he was disappointed in the performance because the majority of the camp was spent on attacking cohesion and the team did not show it on the field. I not blaming him for that.

I did notice however,a few times where there were only four defenders against the haitian attack. I thought that was something we had overcome.
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: Deeks on January 11, 2016, 12:28:16 PM
What kind of discipline problem Cummins has?
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: asylumseeker on January 11, 2016, 01:14:49 PM
What kind of discipline problem Cummins has?

Less than the gunman.
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: Sam on January 11, 2016, 04:09:37 PM
Hart coulda made all de changes he want, de players did not execute, most of them, they have to take 100% of de blame.

Hart can't go on de field and play?

He pick de best he had.

Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: Flex on January 11, 2016, 04:38:04 PM
If T&T had won the game, no one would have had a problem with Hart selection.

There is no way he could know who will play good or bad on game day, especially when the players he picked looked good in practice.

These players just did not play how they was supposed and instructed to.

I mean, how on earth they could send a man with a team to play one of our most important games since Bahrain and not even play a warm up, even if some of the players were missing.

Lets look,  Jan-Michael Williams, Marvin Phillip, Daneil Cyrus, Radanfah Abu Bakr (was on vacation in T&T), Neveal Hackshaw, Shahdon Winchester, Rundell Winchester (was home on vacation) and Ataulla Guerra are all based home.

Then Lester Peltier I think was also home on vacation?

Not sure about Aubrey David and Carlyle Mitchell

Cordell Cato, Kevan George, Trevin Caesar, Mekeil Williams and Joevin Jones season was over, so they could have made it earlier.

Jonathan Glenn and Khaleem Hyland was on winter break, I think?

Now if all of my assumption is right, why wasn't something done to have them play a warm up even if it was against W Connection?

These players have to make a better effort also, this game could have benefitted everyone !!!

Hart is not a magician, the man get thrown to the dogs time and time again.

Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: Deeks on January 11, 2016, 04:49:26 PM
If T&T had won the game, no one would have had a problem with Hart selection

punto final!!!!!
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: socalion on January 11, 2016, 08:27:54 PM
Very well said flex  !!     yuh absolutely on point ...
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: Deeks on January 11, 2016, 09:09:29 PM
What kind of discipline problem Cummins has?

Less than the gunman.


you saying he is a gangster?!!
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: ffisback on January 12, 2016, 12:53:15 AM
It does not matter if the team got warm up games or not the coach just got it wrong you can't play a physical game against teams that are physically better than you Heart just does not have the tactical know how to coach at this level.
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: palos on January 12, 2016, 12:58:05 AM
It does not matter if the team got warm up games or not the coach just got it wrong you can't play a physical game against teams that are physically better than you Heart just does not have the tactical know how to coach at this level.
welcome back shabazz
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: asylumseeker on January 12, 2016, 01:49:01 AM
What kind of discipline problem Cummins has?

Less than the gunman.


you saying he is a gangster?!!

Not at all.
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: soccerman on January 12, 2016, 09:08:10 AM
It does not matter if the team got warm up games or not the coach just got it wrong you can't play a physical game against teams that are physically better than you Heart just does not have the tactical know how to coach at this level.
What type of game we should've played? I won't say we played a physical game per say but we have to match Haiti's intensity. I think SH is doing a very good job as the coach, he's detail oriented and we're finally forming an identity as a team. Yes we can argue that he should've played with 2 strikers, with a #10 type of player, etc. but the reality is we had the talent to win the game and players didn't live up to expectation on the day.
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on January 12, 2016, 09:51:34 AM
It does not matter if the team got warm up games or not the coach just got it wrong you can't play a physical game against teams that are physically better than you Heart just does not have the tactical know how to coach at this level.

Stop talking shit in yuh ass nah!  As for Woo Ling he not ready. DeSilva maybe but he wasn't changing that game.

As for the game, I was very disappointed in that display.  I don't know what it is but Corn Curls does not look himself.  At this point Cato should be RM/RW option #1.  We missed KJ tremendously.  As of right now our captain is irreplaceable!
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: Sando on January 12, 2016, 09:54:46 AM
If T&T had won the game, no one would have had a problem with Hart selection.

There is no way he could know who will play good or bad on game day, especially when the players he picked looked good in practice.

These players just did not play how they was supposed and instructed to.

I mean, how on earth they could send a man with a team to play one of our most important games since Bahrain and not even play a warm up, even if some of the players were missing.

Lets look,  Jan-Michael Williams, Marvin Phillip, Daneil Cyrus, Radanfah Abu Bakr (was on vacation in T&T), Neveal Hackshaw, Shahdon Winchester, Rundell Winchester (was home on vacation) and Ataulla Guerra are all based home.

Then Lester Peltier I think was also home on vacation?

Not sure about Aubrey David and Carlyle Mitchell

Cordell Cato, Kevan George, Trevin Caesar, Mekeil Williams and Joevin Jones season was over, so they could have made it earlier.

Jonathan Glenn and Khaleem Hyland was on winter break, I think?

Now if all of my assumption is right, why wasn't something done to have them play a warm up even if it was against W Connection?

These players have to make a better effort also, this game could have benefitted everyone !!!

Hart is not a magician, the man get thrown to the dogs time and time again.

Flex, spot on.

But I feel you letting Hart off to easily.

He may have gotten the selection right but his game tactics and formation used in such magnitude of games during games is very disappointing.

Against Haiti, we should have beaten them easily even if they are a physical team because we are technically better and could have done the damage to them early were it would have taken away a lot from them and drop their confidence. We play against physical teams and did well in the past. Lets not forget this was an understrength Haitian team.

The last 15 mins of the game and Hart did nothing to improve his team and also failed to use one of his sub in a game were you needed to win and not worry about scoreline.

He seems like he just don't want to get embarrass again like he did with Canada, so his approach is very tacky.

Other than that, I know we can't win every game, but at least we could play better.

I really do like Hart and I hope he learn from this and move on and up.

Good luck Mr Hart.

You have my 100% support.

I hope you finally drop some of these inconsistent players.

Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: spideybuff on January 12, 2016, 03:31:26 PM
I think he was holding back the last sub for extra time. Cato should start in front of Peltier although Peltier started to improve in the last 20 minutes compared to his last 7 games
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: Jumbie on January 12, 2016, 04:25:33 PM
Quote
welcome back shabazz

 ::)
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: Sando on January 12, 2016, 04:28:31 PM
I think he was holding back the last sub for extra time. Cato should start in front of Peltier although Peltier started to improve in the last 20 minutes compared to his last 7 games

The game is guaranteed 90 mins long.

Holding back?

Jose Mourinho use to hold back until he ended up holing a backseat.

Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: ffisback on January 12, 2016, 08:30:15 PM
S Hart is playing a outdated English brand of football that they play in Canada that did not work and is not going to work in T&T because Trinidad is were Latin America meets the Caribbean we need a #10 player to pull the strings the players he is picking cannot play that role Cummings could score goals but he lacks creativity T&T should hire a coach that would bring players like S De Silva and M W ling into squad.

Sean De Silva maybe, still can't see him start, but we need a real number 10, Woo Ling has fall of a great deal.

I feel Nick DeLeon would help us a lot because he works really hard the entire game.

We need a few foreign players because the local guys are not serious.

They have the talent but not the mentality.

Look at Cummings, he has a discipline problem.

I plead to David John Williams to really step in and give Hart the tools to do a proper job.
S De Silva should start because he can play that #10 role M Woo Ling was never giving a chance.
N Deleon looks more like a winger to me so I don't know if he can play the #10 role.
Cummings is not a #10 he could only score goals he should be on the bench in case you need somebody to score goals.
S Heart is picking players that are similar T&T has now become predictable 2 years of ugly football is enough, time for D J Williams to send S Heart packing and hire real coach that has proven they can coach international football
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: pull stones on January 12, 2016, 09:18:26 PM
S Hart is playing a outdated English brand of football that they play in Canada that did not work and is not going to work in T&T because Trinidad is were Latin America meets the Caribbean we need a #10 player to pull the strings the players he is picking cannot play that role Cummings could score goals but he lacks creativity T&T should hire a coach that would bring players like S De Silva and M W ling into squad.

Sean De Silva maybe, still can't see him start, but we need a real number 10, Woo Ling has fall of a great deal.

I feel Nick DeLeon would help us a lot because he works really hard the entire game.

We need a few foreign players because the local guys are not serious.

They have the talent but not the mentality.

Look at Cummings, he has a discipline problem.

I plead to David John Williams to really step in and give Hart the tools to do a proper job.
S De Silva should start because he can play that #10 role M Woo Ling was never giving a chance.
N Deleon looks more like a winger to me so I don't know if he can play the #10 role.
Cummings is not a #10 he could only score goals he should be on the bench in case you need somebody to score goals.
S Heart is picking players that are similar T&T has now become predictable 2 years of ugly football is enough, time for D J Williams to send S Heart packing and hire real coach that has proven they can coach international football
Bollocks.
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: pull stones on January 12, 2016, 11:48:55 PM
I can't believe it. One bad result and low and behold everyone is a critic. For those who didn't watch the game please do so because what I saw differ in So many ways to what the rest of the nay Sayers saw. For starters Haiti played a very nasty game with a pound of desperation, sort of reminded me of people in midevial times who were playing for their lives in front of a maniacal king who don't accept anything sort of a winning result.

They pushed grabbed snatched scraped ploughed bulldozed clobbered and flattened our players left and right at every turn, it was 1973 all over again because it was the worst officiating I've ever seen since mark Geiger at the copa america, and a few of the Haitian players should have been given double yellow before they eventually scored.

As a result of all this I have lost any kind of respect for the Haitian team, they wasn't playing football, they were playing rugby, and a classless brand at that, doing anything to win. I am also ashamed and somewhat sickened by the refs in this region for their lack of care for the game. I think concacaf referees are the absolute worst.

I understand the Haitians desire to win, represent and make their nation proud I really do, but when you have to venture out of the code of ethics and protocol of the game and do anything to win even if it means ending a players career, then where do you draw the line? While the people who are paid extremely well to keep the game in order has failed to do so over and over again, so how then could football grow in the region as a force to recon with?

And allow me to throw this out there in case it's brought up as a rebuttal, let me save you some time, yes Abu baker was also supposed to be red carded for that vicious attack on the Haitian attacker. Join questions asked.

I also believe in my heart of hearts that someone in the football world paid a nasty brute to shoot Cummings, call me crazy, but just by the way those Haitians pulled and tugged our players to death, I wouldn't put anything passed them at this point. I truly lost any respect I had for them after watching the game a day later on cable tv, it was nothing short of atrocious, and that referee should never be allowed to officiate such an important game.

Some may disagree and believe what they saw from the Haitians was spirit and heart, claiming that they wanted it more, and I get that, our players do lack urgency so I could see how some may view this as a welcomed trait, but I saw something totally different.  What i saw was the same methods the Latin Americans implore when they cheat by faining injury and doing whatever it takes to get the edge ala saurez, and that there is not what I call spirit, in reality it's cheating and its ruining the game. this is why i make no effort to watch laliga and seri A. Give me a conference game over that side show they call football any day.
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: amielisadore on January 13, 2016, 12:30:24 AM

S Hart is playing a outdated English brand of football that they play in Canada that did not work and is not going to work in T&T because Trinidad is were Latin America meets the Caribbean we need a #10 player to pull the strings the players he is picking cannot play that role Cummings could score goals but he lacks creativity T&T should hire a coach that would bring players like S De Silva and M W ling into squad.
S De Silva should start because he can play that #10 role M Woo Ling was never giving a chance.
N Deleon looks more like a winger to me so I don't know if he can play the #10 role.
Cummings is not a #10 he could only score goals he should be on the bench in case you need somebody to score goals.
S Heart is picking players that are similar T&T has now become predictable 2 years of ugly football is enough, time for D J Williams to send S Heart packing and hire real coach that has proven they can coach international football

I understand what you are trying to say in terms of the need for that specific #10 but your examples not helping your case. Outside of one or two hopeful developers who are already on the senior team, that #10 just doesn't exist currently. I don't think there are any prospects in the youth set ups either. I believe Hart even alluded to as much a few years ago when he questioned where have all the dribblers and fantasy players gone.

Woo Ling hasn't even had a career, a season or half a season to measure his readiness there. Sean ticks a lot of boxes but he plays out wide for Central because he isn't viewed as the best #10 on the team by the past 3 coaches. He has 11 goals and 15 assists in 45 games for Central which is quite decent but he has to improve his consistency over 90 mins and boss a game to be properly considered.
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: Peong on January 13, 2016, 08:53:24 AM
Pull stones that rough play you described is typical concacaf ball. Unfortunately we can't just change the channel we have to be able to deal with it effectively.
To me our problem was that we needed to score but we had barely any meaningful interchange between midfield and forwards.
I still don't know why cato didn't play. He's a workhorse and causes problems down the wing.
If we can't attack because we getting roughed up then we should play netball.
I personally don't think it was too rough for us. Iz just that minus kj cummings and molino we have few effective options.
And thank god we had cummings for de while becuz that man was a revelation last year.
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: pull stones on January 13, 2016, 09:08:56 AM
Pull stones that rough play you described is typical concacaf ball. Unfortunately we can't just change the channel we have to be able to deal with it effectively.
To me our problem was that we needed to score but we had barely any meaningful interchange between midfield and forwards.
I still don't know why cato didn't play. He's a workhorse and causes problems down the wing.
If we can't attack because we getting roughed up then we should play netball.
I personally don't think it was too rough for us. Iz just that minus kj cummings and molino we have few effective options.
And thank god we had cummings for de while becuz that man was a revelation last year.
how could you score when every time we build up the play they interrupt and killed it by making willful obvious fouls, this kind of gamesmanship should not be allowed to go unpunished no matter what confederation it is.

i believe if the ref had set a example by sharing cards then maybe they would have afforded the players some sort protection, and the culprits would have been a little more apprehensive to commit these blatant fouls, after all it's the referees job to protect the players well being and the integrity of the game. believe me the officiating was atrocious on friday.
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: Sam on January 13, 2016, 10:25:16 AM
If T&T had won the game, no one would have had a problem with Hart selection.

There is no way he could know who will play good or bad on game day, especially when the players he picked looked good in practice.

These players just did not play how they was supposed and instructed to.

I mean, how on earth they could send a man with a team to play one of our most important games since Bahrain and not even play a warm up, even if some of the players were missing.

Lets look,  Jan-Michael Williams, Marvin Phillip, Daneil Cyrus, Radanfah Abu Bakr (was on vacation in T&T), Neveal Hackshaw, Shahdon Winchester, Rundell Winchester (was home on vacation) and Ataulla Guerra are all based home.

Then Lester Peltier I think was also home on vacation?

Not sure about Aubrey David and Carlyle Mitchell

Cordell Cato, Kevan George, Trevin Caesar, Mekeil Williams and Joevin Jones season was over, so they could have made it earlier.

Jonathan Glenn and Khaleem Hyland was on winter break, I think?

Now if all of my assumption is right, why wasn't something done to have them play a warm up even if it was against W Connection?


These players have to make a better effort also, this game could have benefitted everyone !!!

Hart is not a magician, the man get thrown to the dogs time and time again.



VALID !!!!!

That make to much sense Flex, therm players not giving T&T a free day from they time on vacation.

Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: ffisback on January 13, 2016, 09:44:07 PM

S Hart is playing a outdated English brand of football that they play in Canada that did not work and is not going to work in T&T because Trinidad is were Latin America meets the Caribbean we need a #10 player to pull the strings the players he is picking cannot play that role Cummings could score goals but he lacks creativity T&T should hire a coach that would bring players like S De Silva and M W ling into squad.
S De Silva should start because he can play that #10 role M Woo Ling was never giving a chance.
N Deleon looks more like a winger to me so I don't know if he can play the #10 role.
Cummings is not a #10 he could only score goals he should be on the bench in case you need somebody to score goals.
S Heart is picking players that are similar T&T has now become predictable 2 years of ugly football is enough, time for D J Williams to send S Heart packing and hire real coach that has proven they can coach international football

I understand what you are trying to say in terms of the need for that specific #10 but your examples not helping your case. Outside of one or two hopeful developers who are already on the senior team, that #10 just doesn't exist currently. I don't think there are any prospects in the youth set ups either. I believe Hart even alluded to as much a few years ago when he questioned where have all the dribblers and fantasy players gone.

Woo Ling hasn't even had a career, a season or half a season to measure his readiness there. Sean ticks a lot of boxes but he plays out wide for Central because he isn't viewed as the best #10 on the team by the past 3 coaches. He has 11 goals and 15 assists in 45 games for Central which is quite decent but he has to improve his consistency over 90 mins and boss a game to be properly considered.
Bollocks.
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: amielisadore on January 13, 2016, 11:03:01 PM
Which part and why don't you agree? lol
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: madness on January 14, 2016, 04:35:12 AM
Hey, the players didn't want to play cuz the money issues. so the team didn't have any time to have a practise match before the Haiti game. I wasn't happy with the team style of play. good lesson for the team.
Title: Re: I respect Stephen Hart but.......
Post by: Sam on January 14, 2016, 07:12:24 AM
Woo Ling is not ready, not even close.

He need to get serious to.

Title: Stephen Hart opens up in long interview
Post by: dreamer on January 25, 2016, 07:10:23 PM
Stephen Hart has a long discussion recently with George Matheson on Scoreboard

https://www.youtube.com/v/xfs52QiPB3A
Title: Re: Stephen Hart opens up in long interview
Post by: maxg on January 25, 2016, 11:10:31 PM
nice talk...would have liked to hear opinions about the brain & football drain as far as National development is concerned
http://www.socawarriors.net/us-college-players.html

and how can things be put into place to attract these players and the experience they have gained back to our shores, to live, operate and help develop the country not only on a socially responsible level, but obvious sporting mental level as well, in a secure environment. If we keep exporting our better & many smart players whether to college or professional contracts, and have few opportunities to their returning and be respected, then the youngsters would hardly ever have the opportunity to learn from the best, just from who is left - not that those left do not try their best. Is just the returning deportees are not the examples they need.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart opens up in long interview
Post by: Soccerpro on January 26, 2016, 12:19:55 AM
Here is a new Stephen Hart interview. He discusses T&T, Canada and more.

https://somesoccerplayingcanadians.wordpress.com/2016/01/25/manager-talk-stephen-hart/ (https://somesoccerplayingcanadians.wordpress.com/2016/01/25/manager-talk-stephen-hart/)
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on February 05, 2016, 12:11:50 AM
Troubled Hart wants proper tools
By Walter Alibey, The Guardian


A troubled national football coach Stephen Hart maintains he will resign if he does not get the tools necessary to properly prepare the Soca Warriors to qualify for the 2018 World Cup in Russia. The Trinidadian-born Canadian coach threatened to walk away from the team last year, sighting lack of funding which at the time had hampered his team’s preparations.

Yesterday Hart told the Guardian his stance remains the same, explaining it’s either we are serious about providing what is necessary for qualification or we are not. “If you are going to hold the players and myself responsible for results, then everything must be in place to ensure we are provided with the tools to give us a chance at being successful,” Hart said.

He added: “World Cup qualifiers are a marathon and in international football consistency is very difficult to achieve. Successful teams take care of all the details they are in control of to ensure proper preparation. The association has assured us they will do their best to assist in aspects where they are in control. As always we will do whatever it takes to get it right on the field.”

The T&T Soca Warriors have four points from the two matches to date, following a win over Guatemala (November 13) and a goalless draw to the United States. The qualifiers resume in March with matches at home and away against St Vincent and the Grenadines. But Hart’s men are unsure if they will be involved in a friendly encounter before the qualifiers, although it appears to be necessary.

Hart said this arrangement was being made by the T&TFA which is being led by new president David John-Williams. Attempts to reach John-Williams proved futile and general secretary Azard Khan said the president was dealing with arranging the game on his own. But even if this match is arranged, the Soca Warriors would field an under-strength team as it would be difficult to get players outside of a FIFA break.

 Hart noted: “Understand that there are no FIFA dates that allow a team to play International football, which means that even if we have a game, clubs are not obliged to release players.

With MLS clubs beginning their pre-season, clubs in season and the pro league in full swing, it will be difficult to get a squad to play. However, the Association is  working on a potential International game, where some of the players may be able to play.”

Following on the heels of a disappointing performance by the T&T team which saw them succumb to a heart-wrenching 0-1 loss to Haiti in the Copa America Centenario Play-Off in January, the coach is eager to get back his full team for the coming matches.

Having his full team will depend on which players are consistently playing well, which have clubs and which are fit and ready. The Vincentians are still to get a point in the qualifiers having lost their opening two matches of the campaign, 1-6 to the USA and 0-4 to Guatemala.

In spite of this, Hart said he will not be taking them lightly as he described the regional team as good with proper balance and team speed.

“They will want to get maximum points at home and put on a good performance for their supporters. In today’s International climate if you are not fully concentrated, you can easily drop points. Even if we win the next two games we will still need a result from Guatemala or USA,” Hart explained
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: FF on February 05, 2016, 05:00:28 AM
Sighting lack of funds eh
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: lefty on February 05, 2016, 05:56:40 AM
this whole campaign going and fall apart and all progress made destroyed...watch d ride.....we traded sputtering along clumsily with reasonable results for completely clueless with ting falling apart, based on a "manifesto"
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Quags on February 05, 2016, 06:17:08 AM
Don't understand the article , he wants to walk for a friendly with no overseas based players .?
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Flex on February 05, 2016, 06:36:09 AM
Troubled Hart wants proper tools
By Walter Alibey, The Guardian


A troubled national football coach Stephen Hart maintains he will resign if he does not get the tools necessary to properly prepare the Soca Warriors to qualify for the 2018 World Cup in Russia. The Trinidadian-born Canadian coach threatened to walk away from the team last year, sighting lack of funding which at the time had hampered his team’s preparations.

Yesterday Hart told the Guardian his stance remains the same, explaining it’s either we are serious about providing what is necessary for qualification or we are not. “If you are going to hold the players and myself responsible for results, then everything must be in place to ensure we are provided with the tools to give us a chance at being successful,” Hart said.

He added: “World Cup qualifiers are a marathon and in international football consistency is very difficult to achieve. Successful teams take care of all the details they are in control of to ensure proper preparation. The association has assured us they will do their best to assist in aspects where they are in control. As always we will do whatever it takes to get it right on the field.”

The T&T Soca Warriors have four points from the two matches to date, following a win over Guatemala (November 13) and a goalless draw to the United States. The qualifiers resume in March with matches at home and away against St Vincent and the Grenadines. But Hart’s men are unsure if they will be involved in a friendly encounter before the qualifiers, although it appears to be necessary.

Hart said this arrangement was being made by the T&TFA which is being led by new president David John-Williams. Attempts to reach John-Williams proved futile and general secretary Azard Khan said the president was dealing with arranging the game on his own. But even if this match is arranged, the Soca Warriors would field an under-strength team as it would be difficult to get players outside of a FIFA break.

 Hart noted: “Understand that there are no FIFA dates that allow a team to play International football, which means that even if we have a game, clubs are not obliged to release players.

With MLS clubs beginning their pre-season, clubs in season and the pro league in full swing, it will be difficult to get a squad to play. However, the Association is  working on a potential International game, where some of the players may be able to play.”

Following on the heels of a disappointing performance by the T&T team which saw them succumb to a heart-wrenching 0-1 loss to Haiti in the Copa America Centenario Play-Off in January, the coach is eager to get back his full team for the coming matches.

Having his full team will depend on which players are consistently playing well, which have clubs and which are fit and ready. The Vincentians are still to get a point in the qualifiers having lost their opening two matches of the campaign, 1-6 to the USA and 0-4 to Guatemala.

In spite of this, Hart said he will not be taking them lightly as he described the regional team as good with proper balance and team speed.

“They will want to get maximum points at home and put on a good performance for their supporters. In today’s International climate if you are not fully concentrated, you can easily drop points. Even if we win the next two games we will still need a result from Guatemala or USA,” Hart explained


Maybe that's exactly what they what....

 ;D

Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Sando on February 05, 2016, 07:08:37 AM
Anyone ever notice David John Williams never around for comments, is like he have no respect for the people.

That could be a big problem, because people don't have to go to games either.

Let him keep up his shit.

Like Flex pointed out, that's probably exactly what they want for Hart to resign and then the TTFA will quietly slip in Stuart Charles.

Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: R45 on February 05, 2016, 11:01:37 AM
The nepotism of this new administration is looking to be worse than the previous (maybe as bad as the JW era?).
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: maxg on February 05, 2016, 11:46:22 AM
mind he don't get a 'Oliver letter' for calling a backhoe ah spade.
"oh, so if things don't improve you will consider walking ? well walk now ! We have someone else. "
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Controversial on February 05, 2016, 01:28:32 PM
Troubled Hart wants proper tools
By Walter Alibey, The Guardian


A troubled national football coach Stephen Hart maintains he will resign if he does not get the tools necessary to properly prepare the Soca Warriors to qualify for the 2018 World Cup in Russia. The Trinidadian-born Canadian coach threatened to walk away from the team last year, sighting lack of funding which at the time had hampered his team’s preparations.

Yesterday Hart told the Guardian his stance remains the same, explaining it’s either we are serious about providing what is necessary for qualification or we are not. “If you are going to hold the players and myself responsible for results, then everything must be in place to ensure we are provided with the tools to give us a chance at being successful,” Hart said.

He added: “World Cup qualifiers are a marathon and in international football consistency is very difficult to achieve. Successful teams take care of all the details they are in control of to ensure proper preparation. The association has assured us they will do their best to assist in aspects where they are in control. As always we will do whatever it takes to get it right on the field.”

The T&T Soca Warriors have four points from the two matches to date, following a win over Guatemala (November 13) and a goalless draw to the United States. The qualifiers resume in March with matches at home and away against St Vincent and the Grenadines. But Hart’s men are unsure if they will be involved in a friendly encounter before the qualifiers, although it appears to be necessary.

Hart said this arrangement was being made by the T&TFA which is being led by new president David John-Williams. Attempts to reach John-Williams proved futile and general secretary Azard Khan said the president was dealing with arranging the game on his own. But even if this match is arranged, the Soca Warriors would field an under-strength team as it would be difficult to get players outside of a FIFA break.

 Hart noted: “Understand that there are no FIFA dates that allow a team to play International football, which means that even if we have a game, clubs are not obliged to release players.

With MLS clubs beginning their pre-season, clubs in season and the pro league in full swing, it will be difficult to get a squad to play. However, the Association is  working on a potential International game, where some of the players may be able to play.”

Following on the heels of a disappointing performance by the T&T team which saw them succumb to a heart-wrenching 0-1 loss to Haiti in the Copa America Centenario Play-Off in January, the coach is eager to get back his full team for the coming matches.

Having his full team will depend on which players are consistently playing well, which have clubs and which are fit and ready. The Vincentians are still to get a point in the qualifiers having lost their opening two matches of the campaign, 1-6 to the USA and 0-4 to Guatemala.

In spite of this, Hart said he will not be taking them lightly as he described the regional team as good with proper balance and team speed.

“They will want to get maximum points at home and put on a good performance for their supporters. In today’s International climate if you are not fully concentrated, you can easily drop points. Even if we win the next two games we will still need a result from Guatemala or USA,” Hart explained


Maybe that's exactly what they what....

 ;D




DJW won't remove Hart but he also won't pay him or fund the team, because he has an ulterior motive ...it's simple.. He wants Hart out ..

DJW is destructive and will destroy everything Hart has built in the last few years for his own greedy objective..

I was one of the first men on here to say this and it's coming to pass.. The reason DJW quiet is because he knows what he is doing... Men like him don't care about national football, he cares about his own pocket..

Then you have fools coming on here to tout their horn about him because they have an agenda or just plain stupid to see what he wants to do..

TT govt have the money to allocate to our football, where is the money? Where is that idiot Sando...
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Flex on February 19, 2016, 05:35:00 AM
Don’t lose Hart says ‘Tiger’ Phillips.
By Walter Alibey (Guardian).


National coach Stephen Hart is the coaching model needed to take T&T football to the point of professionalism. This is the view of former national goalkeeper and technical director of local football Lincoln ‘Tiger’ Phillips.

Back home from his US-base, Phillips noted that the sport appears to be dangling on the comeback curve and suggested a number of key factors were preventing regular qualification to World Cup tournaments, as well as stunting T&T’s progress in the CONCACAF region. 

Though in existence for well over a decade, the T&T Professional League according to Phillips, was still grappling to become self sustainable while the public seem unconvinced of its quality.

Phillips feels the work he started as technical director a few years ago should be continued and would lead to the production of coaches such as Hart and solve the problem of finance, which has been a thorn in local football.

In his book ‘Rising Above and Beyond the Crossbar’ Phillips describes a coach as a mentor, friend, disciplinarian, taskmaster, therapist and confidant, saying he is a brother, father and educator and someone who shapes and influences lives for better, which are qualities he has seen in the Canadian coach as he continues to inspire his troops to impressive performances and good results on the trail to the 2018 World Cup.

Phillips is urging the David John-Williams led T&T Football Association (TTFA) to not make the mistake and lose Hart, adding all the necessary tools needed should be given to Hart as he charts his way to the World Cup and continues to be an exemplar to coaches in the pro league, primary schools, academies and other youth teams.

He feels the downfall in local football, particularly at the pro league level, has been the focus on pro players making the professional league when it should be the other way around. “To have a successful league you need to start from the ground and go up, meaning that focus should be placed on developing the young players and coaches at the communities and gather the support at the same time” he explained.

During his reign as technical director, Phillips introduced a number of coaching courses that facilitated all levels of coaches, such as the ‘D’ License- which teaches the basics of the game of football, exposes different methods of coaching and educates all about the laws of the game. This focus on coaching, Phillips said, must be embraced by all, from the president of the various administrations to the groundsman, all of whom must view it as working for the federation and the players.

The courses, Phillips explained, must also involve players who are approaching the end of their careers, as was done by former United States coach Bruce Arena a few years ago and should be enhanced to include ‘C, B and A’ Licenses.

During these courses, coaches are expected to be demonstrators by showing how to execute the basics which would solve the problem of poor possession in T&T football. “I think the main problem in our football has been our inability to keep possession of the ball and this is crucial to improve
the quality of football at the club and national levels.”   

He expressed that coaches must be given something to look forward to, such as courses at top clubs abroad, like Barcelona, Manchester United and Real Madrid and called on the pro league to make very effort to have its coaches go out on international courses. “On their return from these courses, football administrators/administration are to ensure they are given the chance to test their knowledge of what they learnt at a team.” 

When asked about how clubs and leagues will ensure financial stability, Phillips said it should begin with government and corporate T&T. However he stressed that teams must see it as a responsibility and not a favour, to ensure financiers are given back for their input. “Teams must proudly tag the name of their sponsors on to their uniforms to give as much advertisement as possible,” Phillips said.

He commended pro league chief executive Dexter Skeene for his work but called for a team of experts in their respective fields such as Dr Iva Gloudon, Anton Corneal, Alvin Corneal, Margaret Ottley, Larry Romany, Bertille St Clair, Dwight Yorke and Stern John among others, to get the business of football together for the benefit of all.

Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Sam on February 19, 2016, 06:03:50 AM

He commended pro league chief executive Dexter Skeene for his work but called for a team of experts in their respective fields such as Dr Iva Gloudon, Anton Corneal, Alvin Corneal, Margaret Ottley, Larry Romany, Bertille St Clair, Dwight Yorke and Stern John among others, to get the business of football together for the benefit of all.

Watch de names Lincoln callin nah, same setta people all de time.

Lincoln, go an sleep nah and stop kissing ass.

Sheldon cah get back he wok.

Romany, Corneal, Skeene, St Clair, you bring them up in de States and train them, you could get them too.

Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Deeks on February 19, 2016, 08:17:22 AM
The way United playing these days, it kinda hard to use them as a model for ball possession football.
Title: Hart feelings: Dribblers wanted, what the Warriors miss and the new Bert Neptune
Post by: SWF Reporter on March 24, 2016, 01:19:11 AM
Hart feelings: Dribblers wanted, what the Warriors miss and the new Bert Neptune
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868)


“The genuine quality to pick up the ball and run at defenders and penetrate or draw attention,” Trinidad and Tobago National Senior Team coach Stephen Hart told Wired868, “and then be able to dish the ball off to players is now absent in Trinidad and Tobago football. When you go to the Pro League, who really excites you when they get the ball?

“Of course players can still shake and have quick feet. They can elude somebody. But they don’t destroy and I think it is a disappearing quality.”


“Soca Warriors” coach Stephen Hart spoke to Wired868 about the qualities he wants to bring to the National Team, the depth of his player pool and the strengths and weaknesses of the Pro League. And why he enjoys watching Central FC attacker Kadeem Corbin and the Shivu Boys Hindu College player of Tyrel “Pappy” Emmanuel and Quinn Rodney.

Wired868: What can Trinidad and Tobago football fans look forward to in 2016? And how costly was our 2016 Copa America Centenario play off defeat to Haiti?

Stephen Hart: Not getting to the Copa America was not only a disappointment, it was an opportunity lost to develop against some of the better teams in world football at the moment.

But we have to look forward. We (had) the first opportunity to have an all-local camp—a short camp albeit—and a game in Grenada. Now, we have two games against St Vincent (and the Grenadines), which to me is the ultimate priority at the moment.

Once that is completed, we will look at (our schedule for the rest of the year).

We have already secured a game against Uruguay, which is one of the top five or six teams in world football on their last four years of performance. And we are trying to secure a second game.

We originally thought we would play Chile but they want to play on the same date as Uruguay. And it is understandable because they want to peak at the right time for the tournament. So we are working on a second game in that time period.

Wired868: What is the difference in facing a team like Argentina or Uruguay in a friendly and in a tournament?

Hart: Well, I think the thing about the friendly game against Argentina (is that) it was their last game before they went to the World Cup. So obviously the game was a little more competitive than a regular friendly international, simply because players were playing for their selection. And players were playing also to be on the starting eleven.

I think it is going to be the same thing against Uruguay and if we get another game (against a South American nation) so close to the tournament. It will be their last game and that’s a lot different than if we were playing them last December or something like that.

So it does make a difference to them at that stage.

Wired868: We have had a couple of injuries recently, are you satisfied with the depth of our player pool?

Hart: It’s the nature of football really (as far as injuries go). Contrary to popular belief, Trinidad and Tobago’s player pool is very small at the moment while we sort of wait for the maturity of some of the Under-20s to come up and to get themselves playing on a consistent basis. Not many of them are playing on a consistent basis.

The pool in general is a small pool. (Our talented young players from the National Under-23 and National Under-20 Teams) need more playing time and probably a couple of international friendlies to understand how to approach a camp environment and to observe them playing at a higher level.

Wired868: What do you look out for when you go to Pro League games?

Hart: When you’re building a team, you have to look at it positionally. You can’t just pick players because they are having a good season or half a season or a couple of good games.

If in the position you are looking for, a player shows consistency or qualities. Or there is a player who can bring something completely different to the team that you can use tactically, of course you look for that player.

But, in building a team, you look for what you need  positionally. You need two players per position roughly. (And) you need some sort of flexibility in terms of the thinking of the player, etcetera.

Wired868: You have complained about the fitness levels of Pro League players before? How do you gauge players’ individual fitness when a game is slow?

Hart: I can’t. I have seen a couple games in the Pro League and 90 percent of the games start off well; tactically, shape-wise, pressing and so on. Everything is beautiful.

But by the 40th minute, you already see a breakdown in shape and organisation and recovery and things like that. If one or two players are not physically capable, the whole team starts to break down. And even at an international level.

You saw in the US game for example, they were able to push in with a little more strength and vitality in the second half of the second half. And only in the last 10 or 15 minutes, we caught ourselves with the changes and started to push them back again.

I think that is the difference in international football. It is those that can mentally endure when things are past your comfort zone.

Wired868: What qualities are you looking to add to your squad right now?

Hart: We need a couple box to box midfielders. It will be very good if they have good shooting ability from outside the penalty area. Because I’m concerned with the amount of shots statistically from my team.

And I think right now in Trinidad and Tobago football, there is an absence of wide players who can pick up and destroy and penetrate and create opportunities from wide positions. So you are always looking for that.

And I love to play with full backs who can come forward. And full backs are far and few between in the league.

And I am talking about genuine fullbacks. No disrespect but some of them can defend and they do okay. But there are very few that have the capacity to get up and down the field.

Wired868: So you are finding it harder to find dribblers? Is it a crisis in the local game now?

Hart: The genuine quality to pick up the ball and run at defenders and penetrate or draw attention and then be able to dish the ball off to players is now absent in Trinidad and Tobago football.

When you go to the Pro League, who really excites you when they get the ball?

Of course players can still shake and have quick feet. They can elude somebody but they don’t destroy and I think it is a disappearing quality. Even when I watch a lot of (SSFL) games, there is not a lot of it. I think is something we need to address in our player development model.

Wired868: How would we address that?

Hart: I think there has been a lot of emphasis on faking and shaking and less emphasis on dribbling as a penetrative action (and) attacking the space behind the defender.

(I am talking about) not just off-balancing the defender but going past; and now you are one player up because they are one player down. And now the second defender has to make a decision. Does he stay marking somebody or does he come to help cover the space you are attacking?

I think that kind of destructive dribbling is something that we need to encourage. When a player has that quality at a very young age, stop saying to them ‘pass the ball’.

You can teach them to pass the ball later. You can teach them to combine later. But if you don’t (nurture penetrative players then) you have to break teams down with passing, very intricate passing. And that is extremely, extremely difficult. Especially on our pitches.

Wired868: I know you won’t want to give examples from the Pro League? But what about from the SSFL? Does Shiva Boys’ Quinn Rodney fit that role as a destructive dribbler?

Hart: Yes. Definitely. And I think he should be encouraged. And even the midfielder, “Pappy” (Tyrel Emmanuel). He should be encouraged when he shakes his man to attack that space in the midfield. Because getting between the lines is a very modern part of football.

It is not good enough to just shake your man and then next thing you know the man is back on top of you. Then you haven’t really done anything.

So you have to make defenders commit and make lines commit and then your players run off of that and you can be creative from the midfield. So it is not only about (dribbling) out wide. It is about from the midfield too.

So if I give you a modern example, you look at (Barcelona midfielder Andres) Iniesta and how he makes it happen. Even (Santi) Carzola with Arsenal. They get behind the midfield line and force the backline to make decisions.

Wired868: Are there other qualities we are missing now?

Hart: I think we used to have a lot of strikers like (Jerren) Nixon and Stern (John) who were really good in the box. Nixon could also come (at you) from outside the box.

We are not really producing the strikers I would like, who are aerially strong and two footed. We are limited at the moment.

But we are a small country and top player are always going to be like waves in an ocean rather than a river.

Wired868: So it is just cycle and not that we are doing something wrong in player development?

Hart: At the end of the day, if you have a lot of football at youth level, the cream will rise to the top. That is what the big countries have. They have a lot of football and there is a lot of competition. Competition is what breeds excellence.

So when you have a lot of competition at the youth level, you will find that you would probably raise those kinds of players. So, yes, I would put it down to player development too. Maybe 50/50.

But right now I am racking my brain thinking who is coming through as a striker that can put fear into people.

I think Corbin has tremendous talent. But he needs guidance and he needs to be playing on a consistent basis. But certainly he has a good energy level and he gets into good positions and he can score goals. He has proven that.

He reminds me a lot of Bert Neptune and he wouldn’t know how big a compliment that is. But I fear for him that, like so many other players, he might not realise the potential he really has.

Title: Re: Hart feelings: Dribblers wanted, what the Warriors miss and the new Bert Neptune
Post by: Flex on March 25, 2016, 07:45:31 AM
Hart feelings: Haitian/Honduran lessons, the Cornell dilemma and balls like grapefruits.
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868)


“I remember the decision in the (2013) Gold Cup when we were going to play Honduras (for a place in the knockout round) and I made six changes,” Trinidad and Tobago National Senior Team coach Stephen Hart told Wired868. “And Leo Beenhakker was completely against it. He said: ‘I would not do that’. Those were his words: ‘I would not do that’.

“And I felt the players were emotionally and physically finished and I made the six changes and we got the result against Honduras. And I remember him coming to the dressing room and saying: ‘You have balls like grapefruits’!”


In Part Two of our exclusive interview, “Soca Warriors” head coach Stephen Hart talks about harsh lessons against Haiti and Honduras, why Trinidad and Tobago football cannot afford the Pro League’s collapse and the Cornell Glen dilemma:

Wired868: You are in your third year as Trinidad and Tobago coach. How far along is the project in terms of the qualities you want to combine into a squad? 50 percent? 60 percent?

Stephen Hart: I would say that figure sounds about right. It is very hard for me to assess in terms of success and failure because the bottom line to me is the result. But in terms of me building a team, the players have been tremendous.

But, having said that, we have not played enough football… Some people would say we went to two Gold Cups and did reasonably well. The first one we lost in the 80-something minute to Mexico and the second one, we went out to a penalty shoot out situation (against Panama)…

But first you have to look at the best teams in CONCACAF and what they are doing. And the best teams are playing significantly more games than we are. So it is hard to evaluate (our progress).

Wired868: What lessons, if any, have been learnt from our 2016 Copa America Centenario play off defeat to Haiti?

Hart: I think everybody has to feel good about the environment they are in and the situation they are going into. And going into the Haiti game, there was a lot of tension.

The players had come off a euphoric situation with the United States (draw) and then, unfortunately, there was a strike situation and that kind of put a damper on things. And people can easily point the finger and say well you shouldn’t have picked those players. But at the end of the day, you have to support the players that have gone to fight for the country and play for you. Because as a coach you want players who buy into what you do. No coach wants players who don’t buy into what he is trying to do.

I watched the game a couple times and it was not as bad as I thought it was (when I was) looking from the bench. We had a lot of early chances in the game and even half chances. And even to the end of the game we had chances to take the game into overtime.

The goal was an unfortunate one. In every game of football there is always the possibility that you will lose. And the longer the game went on, the more confidence Haiti got. And their substitutes had a good impact on the game.

Wired868: You have never spoken much about that 8-1 loss to Canada in the Brazil 2014 World Cup qualifying campaign. What lessons are there in that defeat?

Hart: What happened with Canada is we started to lose a lot of quality. We lost Ali Gerber, who was a prolific scorer at international level, going into the qualification. And then we lost Josh Simpson who was a very dynamic wide player and gave us a lot of penetration and was just on his way to do very well in Europe. And Rob Friend was in Germany and he got injured.

Canada was not a team that scores a lot of goals but we had some good runs with those players in the side… But we were getting caught with a generation of players that were getting older. I had in the back of my mind that the players could not play the two internationals (within four days) in the qualification. But, as it turned out when we reached to play (Cuba), Dwayne De Rosario got injured and we lost not just one of your biggest players but one of your inspirations in the dressing room. And things started to fall apart.

So now I made a decision to lean on the players that I should have told I don’t think you can play the two games back to back. But because of the situation, I leaned. And it did not work out.

A lot of people said a lot of things but we played seven games and only gave away about three goals in that period. And then in one game, we collapsed mentally and physically. We completely collapsed.

It is funny because, when we played Honduras in Canada, we had 13 or 15 shots at Honduras and they had one and we ended up tying the game (0-0). And I remember Atiba Hutchinson walking off and saying to me ‘I hope this game doesn’t come back to haunt us’. We should have buried them… And then we go down there and they have 13 shots for the entire game and score eight. It was unexplainable.

And as a coach, just like (against) Haiti, you have to accept the responsibility. It is your team, so you accept the responsibility.

Wired868: What do results like that mean to coaches? Is there a feeling of impotence or doubt?

Hart: We have seen Manchester United get six, Arsenal get seven and (Manchester) City get five and six. Roma get seven, Jose Mourinho got five. There are games like that.

Now you go in the dressing room and you are faced with two decisions. And this was the big decision in Honduras (when Canada needed a point but trailed 4-0 at halftime). I could have said ‘save face, batten down the hatches and keep it at four’. But I thought that was a betrayal to football and the Canadian public.

There were players in the dressing room (at halftime) who were saying we need to have damage control. And I said: ‘No, what we need now is to go out there and show the public that we will at least fight to bring some respectability back into the game’.

And, rightly or wrongly, that was my decision. So, we scored one goal and we gave up four more…

I think 90 percent of the coaches would go for damage control. Make it 4-1 maybe and it doesn’t look so bad. People like to say: ‘Whether you lose by six or two, you still lose, so go for it’. But at the end of the day, they don’t believe that. They talk it; but they don’t believe that…

Wired868: What has been your biggest decision so far as Trinidad and Tobago coach?

Hart: There are some players that I left out that I probably could have gone with a little bit longer. But you have to think about the group dynamics: how the team moulds itself; how they operate off the field; are they good with each other. I think that is extremely important. So maybe there were a couple decisions along those lines.

I remember the decision in the (2013) Gold Cup when we were going to play Honduras (for a place in the knockout round) and I made six changes. And Leo Beenhakker was completely against it. He said: ‘I would not do that’. Those were his words: ‘I would not do that’. And I felt the players were emotionally and physically finished and I made the six changes and we got the result against Honduras.

And I remember him coming to the dressing room and saying: ‘You have balls like grapefruits’! (Laughs)

It was a big decision and one that fortunately paid off.

Wired868: Can you say more about the decision to leave out Cornell Glen?

Hart: You make a decision and you live with your decision, whether rightly or wrongly. I had Cornell for just the gold cup and he didn’t give me any trouble. I liked him; he is a talent. He came off the bench and he did his best. He started the Honduras game and he did well.

Maybe sometimes you get caught up when you look at a player’s age and you think of the contribution (you need). And you also have to think if you are going to bring a player of such status and tell them they are going to play off the bench. You don’t know how they are going to react to that…

Cornell is a player of high status in Trinidad football. So rather than take that kind of chance, you make a decision one way or the other, rightly or wrongly, and you live with it.

Wired868: Is it a final decision? Or might he be a super sub at some point in the World Cup qualifying campaign?

Hart: I had a chat with Cornell down at the Hasely Crawford Stadium one day and I tried to explain it to him. If you look at my situation, I have had very little opportunity to bring people in on an exhibition basis. Most of the times, you are going into a tournament with just one practice game… I explained that to him…

But I wouldn’t say the door is closed. He is far away (in India) eh. But if he says to me: ‘I will be a bit player or a part player or whatever you wish for me’. Then, yes, definitely.

The Caribbean Cup is coming up (and) we have a lot of football this year. So who knows. I will keep an eye on him. I try to see some of his games and he had a good season last year…

I think the (India) league is a technical kind of league. There is a lot of space to play. But he can still do what he does, (which is) score goals.

Wired868: And what of our Pro League? How do you rate this season, as compared to the last one?

Hart: It started off well (with) a lot of parity between the teams and it is still somewhat that way. But I must admit that I am a little disappointed in the quality in the second half of the season.

The big part of football for me is the intensity and the ability to attack and close down space. Most of the games I see are played in 60 and 65 yards of space and international football and the modern game is played in about 40. So you get a false sense of the ability of the players because for me it is when you are asked to play faster, which means think faster, can you do it.

I don’t think those demands are being made in the Pro League and the CONCACAF level of the Champions League sort of shows that.

Wired868: Do you think the problems are due to team preparation? Has the financial issues of the Pro League had an impact there?

Hart: I can’t talk about the preparation because I don’t know what coaches go through. And that would be unfair to judge from sitting in the stands where I am just like any other person in the public.

But certainly the financial situation is worrying because there are a lot of players who depend on the Pro League to feed their families and I’m sure it plays on their minds. Also the teams can’t get the players that they would like or bring in the players to raise the standard a little bit. I am sure that has an effect.

Wired868: A former national player, Makan Hislop, said many Pro League players head to the minor leagues because there they get money in their hand before kick off while sometimes their clubs are weeks late in paying. What do you think of that dilemma for the players?

Hart: It is a problem because why would I come to the Pro League and support the Pro League when I can see the same players in a minor league? So it diminishes the quality of your own product, which you are trying to create. I think if you have a made a commitment to a club, then you have to live up to that commitment.

Now having said that, it also goes for the owners. If you have made a commitment and the players have earned the right to be paid. They must be paid.

Wired868: What impact could there be on our World Cup campaign if, due to financial issues, the Pro League folds?

Hart: I think it would be devastating for our football. The quality of the local leagues in the top tier of Concacaf: Costa Rica, Mexico, the United States, Honduras and even Guatemala. They all have good club structure and a good league; a league good enough to keep standards relatively high and to create competitive players for the national team.

If we go down in Trinidad and Tobago, then more than likely all football (here) would go down. I think it would be devastating for the country and the players. I would not want that to happen to them at all.

Title: Hart feelings: Haiti/Honduras lessons, Cornell dilemma & balls like grapefruits
Post by: SWF Reporter on March 27, 2016, 09:35:55 AM
Hart feelings: Haitian/Honduran lessons, the Cornell dilemma and balls like grapefruits.
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868)


“I remember the decision in the (2013) Gold Cup when we were going to play Honduras (for a place in the knockout round) and I made six changes,” Trinidad and Tobago National Senior Team coach Stephen Hart told Wired868. “And Leo Beenhakker was completely against it. He said: ‘I would not do that’. Those were his words: ‘I would not do that’.

“And I felt the players were emotionally and physically finished and I made the six changes and we got the result against Honduras. And I remember him coming to the dressing room and saying: ‘You have balls like grapefruits’!”


In Part Two of our exclusive interview, “Soca Warriors” head coach Stephen Hart talks about harsh lessons against Haiti and Honduras, why Trinidad and Tobago football cannot afford the Pro League’s collapse and the Cornell Glen dilemma:

Wired868: You are in your third year as Trinidad and Tobago coach. How far along is the project in terms of the qualities you want to combine into a squad? 50 percent? 60 percent?

Stephen Hart: I would say that figure sounds about right. It is very hard for me to assess in terms of success and failure because the bottom line to me is the result. But in terms of me building a team, the players have been tremendous.

But, having said that, we have not played enough football… Some people would say we went to two Gold Cups and did reasonably well. The first one we lost in the 80-something minute to Mexico and the second one, we went out to a penalty shoot out situation (against Panama)…

But first you have to look at the best teams in CONCACAF and what they are doing. And the best teams are playing significantly more games than we are. So it is hard to evaluate (our progress).

Wired868: What lessons, if any, have been learnt from our 2016 Copa America Centenario play off defeat to Haiti?

Hart: I think everybody has to feel good about the environment they are in and the situation they are going into. And going into the Haiti game, there was a lot of tension.

The players had come off a euphoric situation with the United States (draw) and then, unfortunately, there was a strike situation and that kind of put a damper on things. And people can easily point the finger and say well you shouldn’t have picked those players. But at the end of the day, you have to support the players that have gone to fight for the country and play for you. Because as a coach you want players who buy into what you do. No coach wants players who don’t buy into what he is trying to do.

I watched the game a couple times and it was not as bad as I thought it was (when I was) looking from the bench. We had a lot of early chances in the game and even half chances. And even to the end of the game we had chances to take the game into overtime.

The goal was an unfortunate one. In every game of football there is always the possibility that you will lose. And the longer the game went on, the more confidence Haiti got. And their substitutes had a good impact on the game.

Wired868: You have never spoken much about that 8-1 loss to Canada in the Brazil 2014 World Cup qualifying campaign. What lessons are there in that defeat?

Hart: What happened with Canada is we started to lose a lot of quality. We lost Ali Gerber, who was a prolific scorer at international level, going into the qualification. And then we lost Josh Simpson who was a very dynamic wide player and gave us a lot of penetration and was just on his way to do very well in Europe. And Rob Friend was in Germany and he got injured.

Canada was not a team that scores a lot of goals but we had some good runs with those players in the side… But we were getting caught with a generation of players that were getting older. I had in the back of my mind that the players could not play the two internationals (within four days) in the qualification. But, as it turned out when we reached to play (Cuba), Dwayne De Rosario got injured and we lost not just one of your biggest players but one of your inspirations in the dressing room. And things started to fall apart.

So now I made a decision to lean on the players that I should have told I don’t think you can play the two games back to back. But because of the situation, I leaned. And it did not work out.

A lot of people said a lot of things but we played seven games and only gave away about three goals in that period. And then in one game, we collapsed mentally and physically. We completely collapsed.

It is funny because, when we played Honduras in Canada, we had 13 or 15 shots at Honduras and they had one and we ended up tying the game (0-0). And I remember Atiba Hutchinson walking off and saying to me ‘I hope this game doesn’t come back to haunt us’. We should have buried them… And then we go down there and they have 13 shots for the entire game and score eight. It was unexplainable.

And as a coach, just like (against) Haiti, you have to accept the responsibility. It is your team, so you accept the responsibility.

Wired868: What do results like that mean to coaches? Is there a feeling of impotence or doubt?

Hart: We have seen Manchester United get six, Arsenal get seven and (Manchester) City get five and six. Roma get seven, Jose Mourinho got five. There are games like that.

Now you go in the dressing room and you are faced with two decisions. And this was the big decision in Honduras (when Canada needed a point but trailed 4-0 at halftime). I could have said ‘save face, batten down the hatches and keep it at four’. But I thought that was a betrayal to football and the Canadian public.

There were players in the dressing room (at halftime) who were saying we need to have damage control. And I said: ‘No, what we need now is to go out there and show the public that we will at least fight to bring some respectability back into the game’.

And, rightly or wrongly, that was my decision. So, we scored one goal and we gave up four more…

I think 90 percent of the coaches would go for damage control. Make it 4-1 maybe and it doesn’t look so bad. People like to say: ‘Whether you lose by six or two, you still lose, so go for it’. But at the end of the day, they don’t believe that. They talk it; but they don’t believe that…

Wired868: What has been your biggest decision so far as Trinidad and Tobago coach?

Hart: There are some players that I left out that I probably could have gone with a little bit longer. But you have to think about the group dynamics: how the team moulds itself; how they operate off the field; are they good with each other. I think that is extremely important. So maybe there were a couple decisions along those lines.

I remember the decision in the (2013) Gold Cup when we were going to play Honduras (for a place in the knockout round) and I made six changes. And Leo Beenhakker was completely against it. He said: ‘I would not do that’. Those were his words: ‘I would not do that’. And I felt the players were emotionally and physically finished and I made the six changes and we got the result against Honduras.

And I remember him coming to the dressing room and saying: ‘You have balls like grapefruits’! (Laughs)

It was a big decision and one that fortunately paid off.

Wired868: Can you say more about the decision to leave out Cornell Glen?

Hart: You make a decision and you live with your decision, whether rightly or wrongly. I had Cornell for just the gold cup and he didn’t give me any trouble. I liked him; he is a talent. He came off the bench and he did his best. He started the Honduras game and he did well.

Maybe sometimes you get caught up when you look at a player’s age and you think of the contribution (you need). And you also have to think if you are going to bring a player of such status and tell them they are going to play off the bench. You don’t know how they are going to react to that…

Cornell is a player of high status in Trinidad football. So rather than take that kind of chance, you make a decision one way or the other, rightly or wrongly, and you live with it.

Wired868: Is it a final decision? Or might he be a super sub at some point in the World Cup qualifying campaign?

Hart: I had a chat with Cornell down at the Hasely Crawford Stadium one day and I tried to explain it to him. If you look at my situation, I have had very little opportunity to bring people in on an exhibition basis. Most of the times, you are going into a tournament with just one practice game… I explained that to him…

But I wouldn’t say the door is closed. He is far away (in India) eh. But if he says to me: ‘I will be a bit player or a part player or whatever you wish for me’. Then, yes, definitely.

The Caribbean Cup is coming up (and) we have a lot of football this year. So who knows. I will keep an eye on him. I try to see some of his games and he had a good season last year…

I think the (India) league is a technical kind of league. There is a lot of space to play. But he can still do what he does, (which is) score goals.

Wired868: And what of our Pro League? How do you rate this season, as compared to the last one?

Hart: It started off well (with) a lot of parity between the teams and it is still somewhat that way. But I must admit that I am a little disappointed in the quality in the second half of the season.

The big part of football for me is the intensity and the ability to attack and close down space. Most of the games I see are played in 60 and 65 yards of space and international football and the modern game is played in about 40. So you get a false sense of the ability of the players because for me it is when you are asked to play faster, which means think faster, can you do it.

I don’t think those demands are being made in the Pro League and the CONCACAF level of the Champions League sort of shows that.

Wired868: Do you think the problems are due to team preparation? Has the financial issues of the Pro League had an impact there?

Hart: I can’t talk about the preparation because I don’t know what coaches go through. And that would be unfair to judge from sitting in the stands where I am just like any other person in the public.

But certainly the financial situation is worrying because there are a lot of players who depend on the Pro League to feed their families and I’m sure it plays on their minds. Also the teams can’t get the players that they would like or bring in the players to raise the standard a little bit. I am sure that has an effect.

Wired868: A former national player, Makan Hislop, said many Pro League players head to the minor leagues because there they get money in their hand before kick off while sometimes their clubs are weeks late in paying. What do you think of that dilemma for the players?

Hart: It is a problem because why would I come to the Pro League and support the Pro League when I can see the same players in a minor league? So it diminishes the quality of your own product, which you are trying to create. I think if you have a made a commitment to a club, then you have to live up to that commitment.

Now having said that, it also goes for the owners. If you have made a commitment and the players have earned the right to be paid. They must be paid.

Wired868: What impact could there be on our World Cup campaign if, due to financial issues, the Pro League folds?

Hart: I think it would be devastating for our football. The quality of the local leagues in the top tier of Concacaf: Costa Rica, Mexico, the United States, Honduras and even Guatemala. They all have good club structure and a good league; a league good enough to keep standards relatively high and to create competitive players for the national team.

If we go down in Trinidad and Tobago, then more than likely all football (here) would go down. I think it would be devastating for the country and the players. I would not want that to happen to them at all.

Title: Re: Hart feelings: Haiti/Honduras lessons, Cornell dilemma & balls like grapefruits
Post by: maxg on March 27, 2016, 05:45:37 PM
Always an interesting and educational view from our Natinal coach, without airs and snobbery. Thanks
Title: Six reasons why Stephen Hart is the right coach for Trinidad and Tobago
Post by: Tallman on April 18, 2016, 06:52:39 AM
Six reasons why Stephen Hart is the right coach for Trinidad and Tobago (http://extratimetvtt.blogspot.com/2016/04/sixreasons-why-stephen-hart-is-right.html)
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: maxg on April 18, 2016, 02:23:59 PM
Six reasons why Stephen Hart is the right coach for Trinidad and Tobago (http://extratimetvtt.blogspot.com/2016/04/sixreasons-why-stephen-hart-is-right.html)
7. He's a SoooCaWarrior
Title: Canada's ex-coach Stephen Hart has Soca Warriors dancing
Post by: Tallman on April 29, 2016, 07:04:40 AM
Canada's ex-coach Stephen Hart has Soca Warriors dancing
By Kurtis Larson (Toronto Sun
)

Remnants of Stephen Hart’s tears still reside somewhere inside the belly of Honduras’ Estadio Olimpico Metropolitano, the site of Canada’s historic 8-1 World Cup qualifying defeat.

Canadian supporters will never forget said fixture or, for that matter, forgive Hart — something Canada’s ex-coach came to terms with moments after the lopsided loss that ended Canada’s 2014 World Cup hopes.

Four years later, Canada’s men are preparing for an eerily similar scenario in San Pedro Sula later this summer.

From his home in Halifax, N.S., 56-year-old Hart is doing the same. With two matches remaining, Canada’s former bench boss has tiny Trinidad and Tobago a draw away from securing passage to the final round of CONCACAF World Cup qualifying.

The Group C leaders are preparing to host Guatemala in Port of Spain before wrapping up Round 4 with a difficult qualifier in the United States. For most, Hart’s Soca Warriors would appear to be in good shape.

“Well, yeah, I thought that last time, too,” Hart told the Toronto Sun, his matter-of-fact manner evident over the phone. “I’m not singing any praises yet. We haven’t achieved anything.”

He’s selling himself short, of course. Hart wouldn’t refer to it as personal redemption, but guiding an embattled Caribbean nation in the wake of a debilitating FIFA scandal has been nothing short of remarkable.

Since 2013, T&T has advanced further than Canada at every Gold Cup and currently leads the U.S. in Group C World Cup qualifying. It has undoubtedly helped Hart move on from his time with the Canadian Soccer Association.

“You go into it with a fresh start,” Hart said of joining the T&T, where he was capped seven times as a player. “I’ve said it before, everything with Canada comes down to me being judged on one game.

“I got tremendous support in terms of coaches from all over the world at the international level, who wrote me and told me to get on with it. Really and truly, that’s what I did. I just got on with the new challenge. I’m honoured to coach Trinidad and Tobago.”

Without provocation, Hart wished Canada “all the best” as it prepares to face Honduras away on Sept. 2. He has been following his former team’s progress — and head coach Benito Floro’s lineup choices — from the start of qualifying.

Like everyone else, he’s waiting to see if the Canadians can exorcise the demons they took with them from San Pedro Sula back then. The result still haunts players currently on the team.

“Every situation is different. This is a different generation of Canadian players,” Hart said. “They have a good balance and mix. The situation is probably better in the sense that you go into Honduras but you still have El Salvador at home.

“You play them in Vancouver on the turf, which is probably better suited for Canada. Everything is still in Canada’s hands. Honduras has been sputtering. They’ve been giving up goals in almost every game.

“The solid defending they had four years ago ... that generation is out or on the way out. I think it’s a good time to play them.”

Honduras, of course, will like its chances just the same after watching Mexico toy with Canada last month. For nations not named the U.S. and Mexico, it’s about surviving and advancing at this stage.

“I think it’s very difficult to get to the hex,” Hart echoed Floro’s sentiments. “But once you get there, you have three-and-a-half (World Cup) spots to play for. The hex is where the meat-and-potatoes of the process is. But getting to the hex, there are so many things that can go wrong.

“The way it’s spread out, you might be in a good moment, but then you have to wait six months to play. Anything can happen in that time period — injuries, form. You’re starting over. I think getting to the hex is very difficult.”

Hart has been on the brink of reaching CONCACAF’S final stage before. Now he’s facing a similar fate if the Soca Warriors don’t hold their nerve at home.

“We’re a close-knit unit,” Hart said of T&T. “We have some very talented players at good, important positions on the field. We’ve been fairly focused in our task.

“(My players) are aware of the situation. The Trinidadian mentality is to play in a free way and to entertain. But we know what our situation is and what the priorities are. Hopefully we can be at our best during the home game against Guatemala.”

Meanwhile, three thousand kilometres away, Canada’s players will be retracing the steps they took alongside Hart four years earlier, hoping Honduras won’t replicate a result that’s synonymous with their former manager.

CURRENT CONCACAF WORLD CUP QUALIFYING GROUPS

GROUP A (Ranking, Team, GD, Points)
1) Mexico +10 12
2) Honduras -1 4
3) Canada -4 4
4) El Salvador -5 2

GROUP B
1) Costa Rica +5 10
2) Panama +2 7
3) Jamaica -4 4
4) Haiti -3 1

GROUP C
1) T&T +8 10
2) United States +7 7
3) Guatemala +1 6
4) St. Vincent and the Grenadines -16 0

*Top two from each group after six games advance to final round.
*Bold denotes team has secured place in final round.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Sando prince on May 21, 2016, 02:43:08 AM

On Wednesday night we reported an alleged incident at a Warriors training session, where players were reportedly approached by the TTFA President to consider a 4th match added to their schedule. David John Williams and Head Coach Stephen Hart somewhat addressed the matter today.
WATCH: https://www.facebook.com/csportslive/videos/1179158602135770/
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Preacher on May 21, 2016, 11:21:56 AM
That's my new line to get out of everything now.   "Why don't you ask the alleged victim?" 
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Tobago28 on May 23, 2016, 07:56:20 AM
That's my new line to get out of everything now.   "Why don't you ask the alleged victim?"

Preacher

Is   " Why don't you ask the alleged victim? the similar/equivalent to "Go ask your mudda?" D(JW) sounding or trying to sound like Uncle Jack Warner


Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 24, 2016, 11:02:57 AM
Scary how DJW does not respect the space of Hart.  He is an ole school headmaster that only knows about cracking the whip.  He lacks tact and diplomacy. 


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Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Tallman on August 25, 2016, 07:29:16 AM
WATCH: Stephen Hart being interviewed by the T&T Warrior Fan Zone

https://vimeo.com/180119934
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: soccerman on August 25, 2016, 07:32:54 AM
Good interview, well done Omar :beermug:
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: maxg on August 25, 2016, 08:50:59 AM
hmmm.. Nice to hear Mr Hart, nice production, yet didn't hear any info, i didn't already get from this site. Questions might have been to easy, unless you wanted to cement the things we already know. The one thing SH has always been was open, so he added nothing new. Besides the man is a boss interviewee, questions about talent and development have already been answered. We already know the Bostock issue, we already know his feelings about Molino and Garcia, and everybody else he selects, he don't select if he don't like  ;D. we already know we support papsy. Ask him stuff you don't know.e.g what can you do on a personal level, if anything, to raise the level of football development in the country. (then look at possible answers - player & coaches clinics, assist in admin, sell vegetables in Puna ) then have questions based on possible answers, or move on to new questions. Make him hit yuh some "ahmm, ahmm...let me get back to yuh"..Sorry SH.  :D
  This would be a great interview for new fans in Toronto and Tokyo, for you and us Omar, we dun know. Thanks for the piece still, for many it may reassure our importance, and thus still good.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: kounty on August 25, 2016, 10:15:05 AM
good job Fan Zone. build that rapport with the coach so we could get the scoop in the future.
Title: TTWFZ One Minute Shoot Out with Stephen Hart
Post by: FireBrand on August 28, 2016, 05:38:21 PM
T&T Warrior Fan Zone's One Minute Shoot Out with Stephen Hart


https://vimeo.com/180524300 (https://vimeo.com/180524300)
Title: Re: TTWFZ One Minute Shoot Out with Stephen Hart
Post by: palos on August 29, 2016, 01:10:26 PM
Harty know de ting self.  Bake and Shrimp on Maracas...
Title: Re: TTWFZ One Minute Shoot Out with Stephen Hart
Post by: Sando prince on August 29, 2016, 03:33:00 PM

Nice thread. My favourite pan side is Fonclaire too. The pride of steelpan in Sando
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on September 02, 2016, 08:25:25 PM
Congrats to the coach!  :applause: :applause: :applause:
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: soccerman on September 02, 2016, 08:47:20 PM
Congrats to the coach!  :applause: :applause: :applause:
:beermug:
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Cocorite on September 02, 2016, 10:40:34 PM
Congrats to Hart. And thanks.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: gawd on pitch on September 03, 2016, 06:10:33 AM
3 Things we could look forward to:

- Harte will be with the team for the qualifiers, cfu championship and 2017 gold cup

- The player pool will get larger

- Harte can finally stop saying "We haven't achieved anything as yet".. His 1st goal was to get the team into the Hex.

Best coach in years. Harte for president!
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Sando on September 09, 2016, 09:48:44 AM
Mr Hart, you have my 100% support.

Your players failed you again, first vs Haiti and now vs USA. They seem to not take things serious and respect the T&T national shirt.

They sing all day in their hotel rooms and act like its a vacation they are on when they should be focusing on the game plan and mental strengths.

Time to tighten things up and get tough and bring in a few changes.

Hope you get some games to prepare your team.

Good luck, remember, the HEX is not an achievement.

Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Jayerson on September 09, 2016, 09:59:49 AM
Obviously its satire and sarcasm with the talk of Stephen Hart being let going..... well I hope.
Title: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: ffisback on October 13, 2016, 11:45:24 PM
Its time to end this nightmare its 1 thing to play ugly football and win but to play ugly football and loose is just not acceptable if a coach that does not have the tactical savvyness to beat physical and athletic teams like Jamaica Haiti and Martinique he will not be any use in the Hex lets get another coach right now.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: palos on October 13, 2016, 11:54:44 PM
Who would be your pick to replace him?
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Controversial on October 14, 2016, 12:14:53 AM
His pick is Shabazz  :D

Hear nah, Latas not ready to coach our national team and he's not a better coach than Hart.. I love Latas. But men getting tie up with Latas coaching our national team.. last time he coach our team it was failure..

One set of corruption in our national program right now, things have not changed one bit..
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: coache on October 14, 2016, 10:08:01 AM
 ;D Now is the time fuh Stuarty to come een.

Bring the St Lucian Connection to run tings and get tings straighten out.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: ffisback on October 14, 2016, 10:28:04 AM
Trinidad is were the Caribbean meets Latin America so Trinidad should be hiring coach's from Latin America because that's our style of football not this outdated type of English football that Trinidadian coach's were thought to play.

T&T does not need to spend big money on a big name coach if they don't have it a coach like Vanes would do a much better job than S Hart.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: madness on October 14, 2016, 10:41:20 AM
This is a bullshit thread. Coaches are not the problem.  Players are not discipline and not technical in their game. At these players level, how can u teach them to control the ball and making accuracy passes. smh 
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: soccerman on October 14, 2016, 10:59:04 AM
But we had Maturana who coached Columbia, Peru and Ecuador and got rid of him for Latas
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: weary1969 on October 14, 2016, 11:06:01 AM
All yuh the fella with the fro could have been replaced by the muppets. I eh care who he coach he was a hott mess with the socawarriors. Lets not go back to those dark days.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Storeboy on October 14, 2016, 11:07:32 AM
Soccerman said: But we had Maturana who coached Columbia, Peru and Ecuador and got rid of him for Latas

Well, That does tell you how schizophrenic our leadership is.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: soccerman on October 14, 2016, 11:12:12 AM
I'm not advocating for us to change the coach, I just pointed we had a Latin American coach before and it didn't work too well. I like the way Hart was able to turn things around, for as bad as people say we're playing, we've looked worse for years.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Jumbie on October 14, 2016, 11:23:53 AM
muppets  :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: morvant on October 14, 2016, 11:31:18 AM
kinda kakahole thread is this 
Title: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Tenorsaw on October 14, 2016, 11:47:17 AM
This dude out of touch.  Hart has gotten the team to play more possession football out of the back.  Problem is that the player pool is not deep, and we need to not make poor decisions in the defensive and middle third of the field.  One of the goals in the Martinique game came from a player attempting to make a weak backward header to his teammate.  The ball was intercepted by a Martinique player, leading to a counter and a goal. We suffer from serious lapses in concentration and poor decision making. 

The quality of the player pool is overrated.  Without our main front three vs Martinique, we looked ordinary.  I'll say it again:  The Pro League is not cutting it.  The level of play is somewhat stagnant, and it will not improve until the coaching stock improves.

By the way, it's way too early for this fire Hart talk. 


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Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Dinner Mints on October 14, 2016, 01:03:08 PM
Early afternoon man done start drinking, yes.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Thomo on October 14, 2016, 01:49:32 PM
Stupid Thread
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: raj on October 14, 2016, 02:11:27 PM
Waste of time thread :banginghead:
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: ffisback on October 14, 2016, 04:47:17 PM
This dude out of touch.  Hart has gotten the team to play more possession football out of the back.  Problem is that the player pool is not deep, and we need to not make poor decisions in the defensive and middle third of the field.  One of the goals in the Martinique game came from a player attempting to make a weak backward header to his teammate.  The ball was intercepted by a Martinique player, leading to a counter and a goal. We suffer from serious lapses in concentration and poor decision making. 

The quality of the player pool is overrated.  Without our main front three vs Martinique, we looked ordinary.  I'll say it again:  The Pro League is not cutting it.  The level of play is somewhat stagnant, and it will not improve until the coaching stock improves.

By the way, it's way too early for this fire Hart talk. 


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Possession football is when a team could knock the ball around with about 7 touch's not watching J Jones L Garcia and C Cato run up the field with the ball. When a player makes poor decisions in the defensive and middle third of the field its his fault but when a team does it that's the coach's fault.

Firing Hart now would be the difference between 3rd and 4th spot.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: ON DE BLOCK on October 14, 2016, 05:19:33 PM
yuh need to watch T&T vs MEX last two encounters, you will see a rhythm, more so after being two goals behind, down to the very last second of the game with a corner kick an being showered with plastic bottles, is goal, this rhythm is no fluke, it is not about one player, it is because of this rhythm why it is called the beautiful game, an we have it and Hart will get it to Russia starting with costa rica...
Title: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Tenorsaw on October 14, 2016, 05:52:26 PM
This dude out of touch.  Hart has gotten the team to play more possession football out of the back.  Problem is that the player pool is not deep, and we need to not make poor decisions in the defensive and middle third of the field.  One of the goals in the Martinique game came from a player attempting to make a weak backward header to his teammate.  The ball was intercepted by a Martinique player, leading to a counter and a goal. We suffer from serious lapses in concentration and poor decision making. 

The quality of the player pool is overrated.  Without our main front three vs Martinique, we looked ordinary.  I'll say it again:  The Pro League is not cutting it.  The level of play is somewhat stagnant, and it will not improve until the coaching stock improves.

By the way, it's way too early for this fire Hart talk. 


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Possession football is when a team could knock the ball around with about 7 touch's not watching J Jones L Garcia and C Cato run up the field with the ball. When a player makes poor decisions in the defensive and middle third of the field its his fault but when a team does it that's the coach's fault.

Firing Hart now would be the difference between 3rd and 4th spot.

In general, we've been playing possession football, although I can't vouch that was the case vs Martinique.  You're looking for a quick fix: aka Beenie.  Well, that's not going to happen.  I'll admit that I am concerned about the complacency that has crept into the team lately, but overall, we've been a vastly improved team under Hart.  We've earned some respect from the big names in Concacaf, as we're no longer a door mat; we've been much more competitive.


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Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: ffisback on October 14, 2016, 06:53:39 PM
yuh need to watch T&T vs MEX last two encounters, you will see a rhythm, more so after being two goals behind, down to the very last second of the game with a corner kick an being showered with plastic bottles, is goal, this rhythm is no fluke, it is not about one player, it is because of this rhythm why it is called the beautiful game, an we have it and Hart will get it to Russia starting with costa rica...
Gold cup football and World cup football is 2 different types of football in the Gold cup teams try out players formation etc so Hart got away with that open football game but in the WC is the real deal teams tighten up there defense and study there opponent very well so there is no more open games.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: ON DE BLOCK on October 14, 2016, 09:54:17 PM
  right now my new name for d team is the T&T Heart Beat, an if yuh aint all heart, well you and Molino could do like ah tweezer an pull out ah here...
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: ffisback on October 15, 2016, 03:38:22 AM
This dude out of touch.  Hart has gotten the team to play more possession football out of the back.  Problem is that the player pool is not deep, and we need to not make poor decisions in the defensive and middle third of the field.  One of the goals in the Martinique game came from a player attempting to make a weak backward header to his teammate.  The ball was intercepted by a Martinique player, leading to a counter and a goal. We suffer from serious lapses in concentration and poor decision making. 

The quality of the player pool is overrated.  Without our main front three vs Martinique, we looked ordinary.  I'll say it again:  The Pro League is not cutting it.  The level of play is somewhat stagnant, and it will not improve until the coaching stock improves.

By the way, it's way too early for this fire Hart talk. 


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Possession football is when a team could knock the ball around with about 7 touch's not watching J Jones L Garcia and C Cato run up the field with the ball. When a player makes poor decisions in the defensive and middle third of the field its his fault but when a team does it that's the coach's fault.

Firing Hart now would be the difference between 3rd and 4th spot.

In general, we've been playing possession football, although I can't vouch that was the case vs Martinique.  You're looking for a quick fix: aka Beenie.  Well, that's not going to happen.  I'll admit that I am concerned about the complacency that has crept into the team lately, but overall, we've been a vastly improved team under Hart.  We've earned some respect from the big names in Concacaf, as we're no longer a door mat; we've been much more competitive.


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You probably could not vouch for any game that T&T played possession football under S Hart, I will take a quick fix over somebody that does not have a chance to take us to the WC anyday.T&T vastly improved from the days of Shabazz but don't get it twisted the big names in Concacaf  are not going to panic when they have to play a team that can't win there home games.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: ffisback on October 15, 2016, 03:55:36 AM
  right now my new name for d team is the T&T Heart Beat, an if yuh aint all heart, well you and Molino could do like ah tweezer an pull out ah here...
T&T is not going to get far with out there best player when this team start to get licks yuh go have to change it name to the Heart Beat of licks.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Tobago28 on October 15, 2016, 07:16:40 AM
  right now my new name for d team is the T&T Heart Beat, an if yuh aint all heart, well you and Molino could do like ah tweezer an pull out ah here...
T&T is not going to get far with out there best player when this team start to get licks yuh go have to change it name to the Heart Beat of licks.

I like Molino as a player but you not serious when you say he is our best player?

Please back that up with the criteria you used to arrive at that conclusion
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: ffisback on October 15, 2016, 10:43:42 AM
  right now my new name for d team is the T&T Heart Beat, an if yuh aint all heart, well you and Molino could do like ah tweezer an pull out ah here...
T&T is not going to get far with out there best player when this team start to get licks yuh go have to change it name to the Heart Beat of licks.

I like Molino as a player but you not serious when you say he is our best player?

Please back that up with the criteria you used to arrive at that conclusion
K Molino brings something to the team that none of the other players can bring do a little trickery that could help turn the game in our favor he is no Latapy but he is the best we got right now with out him the team is pretty ordinary .
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Tobago28 on October 15, 2016, 12:21:11 PM
  right now my new name for d team is the T&T Heart Beat, an if yuh aint all heart, well you and Molino could do like ah tweezer an pull out ah here...
T&T is not going to get far with out there best player when this team start to get licks yuh go have to change it name to the Heart Beat of licks.

I like Molino as a player but you not serious when you say he is our best player?

Please back that up with the criteria you used to arrive at that conclusion
K Molino brings something to the team that none of the other players can bring do a little trickery that could help turn the game in our favor he is no Latapy but he is the best we got right now with out him the team is pretty ordinary .

This "pretty ordinary" team won a lot without MOLINO, they got to the last Gold Cup quarterfinals, beat Panama away, drew Mexico twice, beat Guatemala away and drew the US at home… All without Molino.

Are you sure he bringing something special? What are our result with him?

I noticed you failed to quantify your statement other than him being "tricky".

Sorry but Tricky is not enough.

Who looking for tricky on Spain, Argentina, Holland, Germany..International football do not rely on TRICKY.

I ask again quantify him being our best player as you claim!
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: lefty on October 15, 2016, 12:49:11 PM
Keron's disruptive hustle suits the team better at timers, but we also don't always produce the movement that will allow Molino to be more effective so..................
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Controversial on October 15, 2016, 03:22:56 PM
Keron is a better player than Molino ... it's a pity they shot him or we wouldn't be having this problem..
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: ffisback on October 15, 2016, 05:29:40 PM
  right now my new name for d team is the T&T Heart Beat, an if yuh aint all heart, well you and Molino could do like ah tweezer an pull out ah here...
T&T is not going to get far with out there best player when this team start to get licks yuh go have to change it name to the Heart Beat of licks.

I like Molino as a player but you not serious when you say he is our best player?

Please back that up with the criteria you used to arrive at that conclusion
K Molino brings something to the team that none of the other players can bring do a little trickery that could help turn the game in our favor he is no Latapy but he is the best we got right now with out him the team is pretty ordinary .

This "pretty ordinary" team won a lot without MOLINO, they got to the last Gold Cup quarterfinals, beat Panama away, drew Mexico twice, beat Guatemala away and drew the US at home… All without Molino.

Are you sure he bringing something special? What are our result with him?

I noticed you failed to quantify your statement other than him being "tricky".

Sorry but Tricky is not enough.

Who looking for tricky on Spain, Argentina, Holland, Germany..International football do not rely on TRICKY.

I ask again quantify him being our best player as you claim!
Once again people are confusing friendly games gold cup games and WC games nobody cares about friendly games gold cup games are a test to see were your team players formation etc are at on a competitive level the WC is a different ball game teams tighten up there defense and by then have scouted there opponents very well so there will be no more open games like you saw in the gold cup.

All the games that you mentioned T&T was outplayed in the midfield in every game K Cummings was a none factor he only know how to kick the ball properly he lacks the creativity to play on this level Guerra is good but he is a head case S De Silva is good but the coach don't like them type of players.

Teams like Argentina Brazil all have that special player that they go to make something happen T&T player is Molino.

So don't get yourself carried away with them lucky results if Guatemala had a good striker in Guatemala city they would have buss we tail if U S A came to T&T with there full squad they would have buss we tail we played a Mexican team going trough a difficult transition period and we were lucky to get a draw so what without Molino the team look pretty ordinary.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Tobago28 on October 15, 2016, 05:34:38 PM
FFISBACK

You win, you making such little sense and can not support you player with out putting down other players I realize its not worth discussing with you.

This THREAD is rubbish., I signing off.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Dynamite Warrior on October 15, 2016, 10:59:10 PM
There is no way Molino can be considered the best player on this team when he hasn't played well in any big game. This team looks ordinary with and without Molino because its a team of hard workers rather than creative midfielders. As for Molino I was waiting for him to impact the St Vincent game he did nothing in the first game and scored a garbage time goal in the second, vs Guatemala  he did nothing. His most important goal was possibly his goal vs a B squad from Honduras in the 2013 Gold cup. Compare the games he has scored in to either Kenwyne or Joevin and it just doesn't compare. And it's not like he's creating opportunities for others. Honestly the best I've seen him play was during the last 15 mins vs the US when we were already down 4. And even if he were the best player we can't make excuses for a player who disrespects the coach and the team in this fashion.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: ffisback on October 16, 2016, 01:53:11 AM
The reason the team looks that way is because they have a ordinary coach that plays a outdated English brand of football that just want to get   up the wings and get the ball into the box that's not going to work with K Jones having a couple players around him all the time you not going to win a game with players that just work hard while Molino was having a bad game vs Guatemala he did create a couple break away chances in the second half that was able to stretch the Guatemala defense when the coach took him off T&T had no more offense and Guatemala took over the game and scored the equalizer.

DJW needs to fire SH and hire a coach that will allow T&T to play through the midfield so a player like Molino would be more affective. 
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: trini_stallion on October 16, 2016, 06:37:53 AM
Ffisback, I wanna ask you a question in response to your post above regarding playing the ball through the middle...under Hart, haven't we seen that type of ball played? Against USA (at home and for the first 43 in Jacksonville)? Against Mexico, 2015 GC and friendly, against panama, Saudi Arabia, etc etc.

Calling for SH head is premature. Outta timing...that wld just be another unsettling blow to the players mental...they already have a disruption with Molino. In my humble opinion he needs to shake up the players because men looking comfortable! If we lose the first 2 matches for WC qualification, at that point there will be a need to evaluate his performance!

Too early for this breddah! It's the players, not the coach!
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Tenorsaw on October 16, 2016, 06:43:51 AM
yuh need to watch T&T vs MEX last two encounters, you will see a rhythm, more so after being two goals behind, down to the very last second of the game with a corner kick an being showered with plastic bottles, is goal, this rhythm is no fluke, it is not about one player, it is because of this rhythm why it is called the beautiful game, an we have it and Hart will get it to Russia starting with costa rica...
Gold cup football and World cup football is 2 different types of football in the Gold cup teams try out players formation etc so Hart got away with that open football game but in the WC is the real deal teams tighten up there defense and study there opponent very well so there is no more open games.

Gold Cup is a serious tournament, equivalent to the Copa or European Cup.  Teams come to play and the squads are usually stacked.  I don't quite agree with your argument.  We play on the counter under Hart, so I wouldn't consider that open football.  We just need to tighten things up at the back, and the midfielders need to track the runners all the way into the box. 


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Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Flex on October 16, 2016, 07:51:15 AM
Hart: We’ll focus on Gold Cup when that time comes.
TTFA Media.


Trinidad and Tobago head coach Stephen Hart, when asked by the press in Martinique, as to how he will now try to lead the team to the Concacaf Gold Cup following the 2-0 loss in Fort-de-France on Tuesday night, said the immediate focus is now T&T’s next two World Cup qualifiers at home to Costa Rica on November 11th and away to Honduras four days later.

“Right now my focus is getting the team back to a strong level for the two World Cup qualifying games next month. When the time comes for the playoff for the Gold Cup, then we will think about that. We still have to get the dates for those games because now we are in a situation where we have to playoff with the other second placed teams and those games are set for a similar time of our games the Hex,” Hart said.

“But we have a lot to do now to get ourselves mentally and physically ready for Costa Rica. The team has shown that they have the potential to raise the levels to one which we can compete and win games against the top teams in the region and we’ll be focusing on getting back there,” he added.

T&T will host Costa Rica on November 11th in the opening game of the “Hex”.

For that match, there will be early bird tickets on sale from Monday until November 4th. Those tickets will cost $300 (covered section) and $160 (uncovered section). From November 5th until match-day, tickets will then cost $350 (covered) and $200 (uncovered). The tickets are available exclusive through Suntixx Caribbean Limited at all Lotto locations in Trinidad and Tobago.

And Season Passes remain on sale and are now available at all First Citizen’s Bank branches across the country. Season passes cost $2000 (covered) and $1000 (uncovered). These Season passes will allow the patron entry to all home matches in the CONCACAF final round and all official national teams (men and women, senior and youth teams) matches through to November, 2017.

Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Coach on October 16, 2016, 08:49:58 AM
TTFA needs to invest $ to give Hart more training time (camps) with the team.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: fitzinho on October 16, 2016, 09:05:03 AM
This thread is rubbish. A year ago Hart could do no wrong when we were in that shoot out with Mexico. Now that players feeling themselves the coach need to go? This country full of comedians yes. Coach Hart is the best we've had since Beenie... Give him the proper tools to work and leave him be please.

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Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Errol on October 16, 2016, 11:09:14 AM
I have my faults with Hart but at this point in time, he should not be fired.

Things he should consider.

1. Using some different players and weed out the senior ones who not pulling their weight.

2. Motivate the players better and be confident in himself and them.

3. We need a local core of players, we consistently picking foreign based players who do not play regular for their clubs. How can you put a team together every 2 months and expect them to play well?

4. He should consider really stepping up his search to strengthen his squad because it might be to late to unearth new talent. I know a few players not 100% sure, but I feel Hart could really sell his team to them and persuade them.

Players like Wright-Phillips, Sheanon Williams, Tyler David, Ryan Inniss, Shaquell Moore and Nick De Leon. These players will raise the attitude of the ones we have now because there are no competition for a place on the team. Hart keeps using 15 players, no wonder the team is playing flat.

We already got Bostock and time to get FIFA involved.

I hope to see Primus and Cummings back soon too.

Things could get better, but Hart have to act now, sit down with the FA and work things out.

Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: pull stones on October 16, 2016, 11:34:04 AM
I have a strange suspicion that hart would be walking away from this job on his own pretty soon all due in part to the carenage trio (peltier, molino, Jovin jones). I heard there's mutiny on the ship and these guys are leading the way.

These guys are losing these game in part because they no longer want hart as a coach and wants him fired. it started after the USA game in trinidad when peltier was ousted from the team according to my sources. not all the players are on board but a good amount to create discord in the camp.

I didn't want to say anything before because it would only serve to bring about mischief but since the cat is out the bag with mr peltier's social media rants I thought it wouldn't hurt now to add to it.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Thomo on October 16, 2016, 02:32:02 PM
I have a gut feeling that Hart may resign too. Seems he has lost command of the dressing room. Either that or we will begin the Hex with a mauling by Costa Rica and Honduras. Cheers to Kevin and Co
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Trini on October 16, 2016, 02:56:55 PM
Fire Hart/or resign and appoint who? Dennis Lawrence?

We aint have no money.

This is like everything else in the world, you get what you pay for.

Hart is a solid coach. Lets stick with him at least till the first 2 games. If he flop, and we somehow get some money, we could go in for a higher pedigree coach for next year.

If he flop and we have no donsai, well we just have to hope for the best.

We have been down this road many times before.
Title: Stephen Hart inducted into the Saint Mary’s University Sport Hall of Fame
Post by: Tallman on October 16, 2016, 03:42:49 PM
Stephen Hart inducted into the Saint Mary’s University Sport Hall of Fame
By Nigel Myers


Head Coach of the Trinidad and Tobago senior men’s football team, Stephen Hart, has been inducted into the Saint Mary’s University Sport Hall of Fame. SMU said of Hart:

SMU said of Hart:

He was a successful player and coach like few others and it began in Trinidad and Tobago. Stephen Hart joined the Huskies in 1981 and four years later was an AUS all-star midfielder.

He would return to SMU and a 4 year stint as the Women’s soccer coach. He would play for and later coach one of the city’s best known senior team’s Halifax King of Donair.

Hart was heavily involved with Soccer N.S. as technical director before heading to the Canadian National program where he ran the under 18 and under 20 programs. Success at that level would lead to a stint as interim head coach of Canada’s National team and eventually the head coaching position. In 2009 he would lead Canada to one of its best international finishes, the quarter finals of the Gold Cup.

Hart is currently head coach of the Trinidad and Tobago Men’s National Team.

Player and coach, a lasting soccer legacy that began in Trinidad and Tobago and flourished at SMU.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: ffisback on October 17, 2016, 12:05:04 AM
Ffisback, I wanna ask you a question in response to your post above regarding playing the ball through the middle...under Hart, haven't we seen that type of ball played? Against USA (at home and for the first 43 in Jacksonville)? Against Mexico, 2015 GC and friendly, against panama, Saudi Arabia, etc etc.

Calling for SH head is premature. Outta timing...that wld just be another unsettling blow to the players mental...they already have a disruption with Molino. In my humble opinion he needs to shake up the players because men looking comfortable! If we lose the first 2 matches for WC qualification, at that point there will be a need to evaluate his performance!

Too early for this breddah! It's the players, not the coach!
No S Hart plays a English type of football were you just try get up the wings and get the ball into the box as quick as possible.

T&T football has become to predictable with S Hart its better to fire the coach now and hire a coach that will change this system.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Controversial on October 17, 2016, 12:08:03 AM
You know nothing about football..

Where did you buy your coaching certificate from?
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: ffisback on October 17, 2016, 12:26:34 AM
yuh need to watch T&T vs MEX last two encounters, you will see a rhythm, more so after being two goals behind, down to the very last second of the game with a corner kick an being showered with plastic bottles, is goal, this rhythm is no fluke, it is not about one player, it is because of this rhythm why it is called the beautiful game, an we have it and Hart will get it to Russia starting with costa rica...
Gold cup football and World cup football is 2 different types of football in the Gold cup teams try out players formation etc so Hart got away with that open football game but in the WC is the real deal teams tighten up there defense and study there opponent very well so there is no more open games.

Gold Cup is a serious tournament, equivalent to the Copa or European Cup.  Teams come to play and the squads are usually stacked.  I don't quite agree with your argument.  We play on the counter under Hart, so I wouldn't consider that open football.  We just need to tighten things up at the back, and the midfielders need to track the runners all the way into the box. 


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B St Clair had the same problem when he was T&T coach and they was able to fix the problem when they fired him.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Tenorsaw on October 17, 2016, 12:41:52 AM
yuh need to watch T&T vs MEX last two encounters, you will see a rhythm, more so after being two goals behind, down to the very last second of the game with a corner kick an being showered with plastic bottles, is goal, this rhythm is no fluke, it is not about one player, it is because of this rhythm why it is called the beautiful game, an we have it and Hart will get it to Russia starting with costa rica...
Gold cup football and World cup football is 2 different types of football in the Gold cup teams try out players formation etc so Hart got away with that open football game but in the WC is the real deal teams tighten up there defense and study there opponent very well so there is no more open games.

Gold Cup is a serious tournament, equivalent to the Copa or European Cup.  Teams come to play and the squads are usually stacked.  I don't quite agree with your argument.  We play on the counter under Hart, so I wouldn't consider that open football.  We just need to tighten things up at the back, and the midfielders need to track the runners all the way into the box. 


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B St Clair had the same problem when he was T&T coach and they was able to fix the problem when they fired him.

That was a quick fix.  Exactly what I was talking about.  Has the mentality changed, longterm?  Not really. 


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Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: ffisback on October 17, 2016, 12:42:33 AM
Fire Hart/or resign and appoint who? Dennis Lawrence?

We aint have no money.

This is like everything else in the world, you get what you pay for.

Hart is a solid coach. Lets stick with him at least till the first 2 games. If he flop, and we somehow get some money, we could go in for a higher pedigree coach for next year.

If he flop and we have no donsai, well we just have to hope for the best.

We have been down this road many times before.
S Hart is already a flop if after 3 years you still getting knock out by some Caribbean team 2 games would not change anything you need to be shown the door now.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: ffisback on October 17, 2016, 12:46:33 AM
yuh need to watch T&T vs MEX last two encounters, you will see a rhythm, more so after being two goals behind, down to the very last second of the game with a corner kick an being showered with plastic bottles, is goal, this rhythm is no fluke, it is not about one player, it is because of this rhythm why it is called the beautiful game, an we have it and Hart will get it to Russia starting with costa rica...
Gold cup football and World cup football is 2 different types of football in the Gold cup teams try out players formation etc so Hart got away with that open football game but in the WC is the real deal teams tighten up there defense and study there opponent very well so there is no more open games.

Gold Cup is a serious tournament, equivalent to the Copa or European Cup.  Teams come to play and the squads are usually stacked.  I don't quite agree with your argument.  We play on the counter under Hart, so I wouldn't consider that open football.  We just need to tighten things up at the back, and the midfielders need to track the runners all the way into the box. 


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B St Clair had the same problem when he was T&T coach and they was able to fix the problem when they fired him.

That was a quick fix.  Exactly what I was talking about.  Has the mentality changed, longterm?  Not really. 


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Tell me what do you mean by long term?
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: jai john on October 17, 2016, 11:26:01 AM
I am just wondering if we are not too overboard with our existing football talent. We had much better talent in the past yet achieved nothing except for when we got a coach ( Beenie)  to demonstrate that the team is stronger than the individual players. Have we forgotten that lesson already ?
 
In the past our " professionals " were earning their living in the big leagues. Today we are happy to mention that they are playing abroad.
We dont have a great talent pool at the moment and certainly no player playing today can come close to the Yorke, latapy, Nakhid, Marvin Andrews, Shaka Hislop, Leonsen Lewis, leroy Spann, Ron La Forest etc. So we must be more realistic in our expectations.

There is nothing wrong with having high hopes and the only way to achieve our lofty goals is for us to band together.
Reagarding the question to fire Hart or not I would just want us to cast our mind back when the same Hart was the coach for our team in what has been considered by CONCACAF as the greatest game ever. We were so proud then of the performance of our team matching skills with the best Mexico had to offer. The team repeated with a gutsy performance against the CONCACAF powerhouse making the Mexicans wonder what they had to do to beat this team. we must remeber Hart can only work with what he has got. As Gally once said ..." You cant build a house on promised bricks " If you remember this you in town long like me.

For me Hart has demonstrated that he has the ability to make the team better than its individual parts and I know I for one would be disappointed if on a matter of trying to maintain team unity and discipline the administration decides its is better to favour indiscipline.
So I watch and wait. If hart goes then so will my interest in TNT football for another 10 years( the time i estimate will be needed to get back on track)

In closing I ask the question ...what if we got Mourinho to coach TNT and Molino or whatever his name is does the same thing would we be calling for the coach's head ?

We often ignore what is right before us in this synthetic world in which we live.

Just my write

Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: palos on October 17, 2016, 03:13:58 PM
In a sense, I can see why Stephen Hart threatens so many in T&T football

A de facto "foreigner" (despite the fact that he born, grow and play in South Trinidad)

A "no name" coach who got "fired" from Canada after losing 8-1 in Honduras needing just 1 point to qualify for the Hex (in fact, he resigned without anyone asking him to after that result)

Canada is perceived to be a "lesser" footballing nation than T&T so what REAL credentials does he have?

Then he comes into T&T with the team in disarray, goes to the Gold Cup and the team has the best performance since our semi final loss to....YUP....Canada...in 2000

Public confidence in the team goes up after that Gold Cup performance and many people saying Hart responsible.  Media starts to refer to the team as Hart's Army

Team is the CFU runner up to Jamaica and goes on to a second consecutive positive performance in the Gold Cup tying the might Mexicans in the process.  Then meet the Mexicans in a re match and achieve the same result having them on the run.  Good performances abroad give T&T football public real hope for the first time in a long while.

The team now progresses to the Hex which endears the coach to the public even more...especially given that 4 years ago.....many on this team got knocked out by Guyana.

Yesterday I watch a clip from poster Andre Samuel where men chanting "we going to the Hex playing football the Stephen Hart way"

That must stick in the craw of nuff people who have toiled tirelessly in service of T&T football and typically only get boots and buse from the public.

Why him?  Why he must get this kind of support and accolade while "locals" doh feel de same kinda love?

Not easy on either side.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Deeks on October 17, 2016, 04:16:44 PM
In a sense, I can see why Stephen Hart threatens so many in T&T football

Stephen Hart eh no threat to anybody. Anyone who feels threatened by Hart credentials or success, lacks confidence in themselve or has ulterior motives.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Jumbie on October 17, 2016, 04:19:27 PM
if only Controversial kept he kyat shut and not recommend Mr Hart to be coach of T&T, we would have spared ah many clogged craws 
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: maxg on October 17, 2016, 05:19:31 PM
In a sense, I can see why Stephen Hart threatens so many in T&T football

Stephen Hart eh no threat to anybody. Anyone who feels threatened by Hart credentials or success, lacks confidence in themselve or has ulterior motives.

no. they just plain green with envy that the spotlight is constantly elsewhere and their own methods exposed..therefore instead of adapting, and learning,  easier to dissect, focus on a weakend part and find fault in it's operation.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: lefty on October 17, 2016, 05:27:28 PM
what maxg said
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: sjahrain on October 17, 2016, 05:44:35 PM
Best national coach in some time
We very own
I truly  loving this

When the fox cant get the grapes he say it sour
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: maxg on October 17, 2016, 05:55:14 PM
If Hart had this teamwe would have been 2nd round
1   GK   Shaka Hislop   22 February 1969   26   England West Ham United
2   DF   Ian Cox   25 March 1971   16   England Gillingham
3   DF   Avery John   18 June 1975   58   United States New England Revolution
4   DF   Marvin Andrews   22 December 1975   98   Scotland Rangers
5   DF   Brent Sancho   13 March 1977   42   England Gillingham
6   DF   Dennis Lawrence   1 August 1974   65   Wales Wrexham
7   MF   Chris Birchall   5 May 1984   21   England Port Vale
8   DF   Cyd Gray   21 November 1976   41   Trinidad and Tobago San Juan Jabloteh
9   MF   Aurtis Whitley   1 May 1977   26   Trinidad and Tobago San Juan Jabloteh
10   FW   Russell Latapy   2 August 1968   66   Scotland Falkirk
11   MF   Carlos Edwards   24 October 1978   53   England Luton Town
12   FW   Collin Samuel   27 August 1981   19   Scotland Dundee United
13   FW   Cornell Glen   21 October 1980   37   United States Los Angeles Galaxy
14   FW   Stern John   30 October 1976   97   England Coventry City
15   FW   Kenwyne Jones   5 October 1984   30   England Southampton
16   MF   Evans Wise   23 November 1973   17   Germany Waldhof Mannheim
17   DF   Atiba Charles   29 September 1977   19   Trinidad and Tobago W Connection
18   MF   Densill Theobald   27 June 1982   40   Scotland Falkirk
19   FW   Dwight Yorke (c)   3 November 1971   56   Australia Sydney FC
20   FW   Jason Scotland   18 February 1979   25   Scotland St Johnstone
21   GK   Kelvin Jack   29 April 1976   32   Scotland Dundee
22   GK   Clayton Ince   13 July 1972   63   England Coventry City
23   MF   Anthony Wolfe   23 December 1983   4   Trinidad and Tobago San Juan Jabloteh
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: ffisback on October 17, 2016, 08:44:56 PM
If R Latapy never came out of retirement (Beenie) would have been another failed foreign coach that's no big deal.

Once again people are mixing up gold cup games and WC games teams are not going to allow any open games they are going to tighten up there defense the Mexico game was good for a spectator point of view but from a coach's point of view it was a disaster we played a Mexican team that was in a total disarray and we were lucky to get a draw.

The truth is football is a results game and S Hart has failed to get the results he failed to get us to the Copa America he failed to gat us to the GC we cannot let him fail with the WC that is to important to let him fail the best thing to do is fire him.

I would  chose Molino any day over S Hart because he just another unknown coach trying to make a for himself but cannot come up with the goods.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Themanfriday on October 17, 2016, 09:00:25 PM
Well nothing change here we... Isz years I eh post here but I does come and read now and then (Tapatalk). So Trinbagonians could never be satisfied. If we win we shoulda win by more........ FIRE EVERYBODY!!!!

Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: coache on October 17, 2016, 09:23:02 PM
Why we even having this discussion? The players were not mentally prepared to play this match.

They will put  their focus on the Hex..however there is some truth in everything that's being discussed.

The main objective going forward is mental focus; a well focused team that is mentally prepared to play the Steven Hart brand will succeed because it's a good well organized brand. Its not pretty but it can be very effective, (because it's simple football) if  done well.

So let's support the team and wish them the best..tell the President to bring in a psychologist for the team to help them focus and build up their self confidence
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Deeks on October 18, 2016, 07:04:06 AM
Maybe Stephen Hart should be like Conte from Chelsea. From Yahoo news.

Chelsea striker Diego Costa has been told to show more respect after reacting angrily to manager Antonio Conte on Saturday, according to reports.

Costa, who has scored seven goals in eight appearances for  Chelsea this season, gestured to be substituted during the 3-0 victory over Leicester City at Stamford Bridge.

According to the  Daily Mail, the Spaniard was tired of  Conte’s continuous instructions from the sideline, as he interpreted them as criticism of his performance

Costa is believed to have been saying if his play was that bad, then he should be removed from the pitch.

Despite playing the incident down in his post-match press conference,  Conte is said to have made it clear to his star striker that his behavior was unacceptable and that he should show more respect.

This was not the first time Costa has clashed with a Chelsea manager. He threw a bib in the direction of Jose Mourinho last season at White Hart Lane after being substituted.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Flex on October 30, 2016, 07:38:50 AM
Hart: World Cup qualification is T&T’s main focus.
T&T Guardian Reports.


T&T’s coach Stephen Hart says his top priority is to ensure the Soca Warriors are adequately prepared as  they attempt  a second appearance in the FIFA World Cup, football’s biggest spectacle.

T&T’s only World Cup appearance came in 2006, when it registered a scoreless draw against Sweden and two losses by the same 2-0 result to England and Paraguay in three matches.

The current side, being led by Kenwyne, a former Cardiff City striker who has since signed with Atlanta United in the United States Major League Soccer Tournament, is seeking to make its own history by earning a place at Russia 2018 when it meets Costa Rica on November 11, to open the final round of CONCACAF qualifying.

“Right now, my focus is getting the team back to a strong level for the two World Cup qualifying games next month in November,” said the 56-year-old.

“When the time comes for the playoffs for the CONCACAF Gold Cup, then we will think about that. We still have to get the dates for those games because now we are in a situation where we have to playoff with the other second-placed teams.”

T&T reached in this position after finishing second in the Caribbean Cup, third-round group encounter to Martinique, necessitating an alternate route to the biennial competition.

Before that matter can be settled, the Soca Warriors want to establish a positive World Cup Qualifying tone. “We have a lot to do now to get ourselves mentally and physically ready for Costa Rica,” Hart said.

“The team has shown that they have the potential to raise the levels to one which we can compete and win games against the top teams in the region and we’ll be focusing on getting back there.”

T&T is ranked 65th overall, fourth in CONCACAF and number one in the Caribbean, according to the most recent FIFA Rankings.

Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Errol on October 30, 2016, 03:17:14 PM
Love how Antonio Conte have Chelsea playing and how well the players are responding. I little believe goes a long way, sometimes ordinary players respond well.

Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: ffisback on November 12, 2016, 10:26:00 PM
S Hart is just not ready to coach football on this level in all my life watching football on the international stage I have never seen a team play so timed and scared at home if he continue to play like this we will never win a game S Hart must go.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: injunchile on November 13, 2016, 05:12:04 AM
The Coach already had in his mind that Costa Rica was a more  talented team than T&T.
 So the man played it safe and hoped for a point. If we are honest most teams in the Hex feel that we are the whipping boys and that they can get points . What we have to do is surprise some of them away.
 The trick for the Hex is to win your home gains and try for a point away. A win against Honduras will change the whole equation.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Deeks on November 13, 2016, 07:20:08 AM
I honestly not on the fire SH bandwagon. I know for a fact we doh have the 2 or 3 "midas touch" players that could make us play like the Strike Squad or the Warriors. Maybe you can blame him for tactics or not choosing the right player for the right time. But for the short space of time that he has with the team makes his job even more challenging. Just as I like Molino, I like Jomal. I honestly feel he, together with Molino, Cummins, Cato, JJ are the future. Yes, they just not clicking. They need time, but we have no time because we are in the Hex. Our team did not play good, but they were not bad. Well we lost. We lack persistent intentisty. After watching US-Mex game, we have to play each game, home and away like is the final game. We dangerous on the fast break, but all teams can adjust to fast breaks, even us. We still not seeing our forwards being able to beat opponents one on one. JJ, Cato and to a lesser extent Jomal had some brief interludes, but they need to be more persistent.

When in comes to KJ, well we know his success depends a lot of the service that he gets from the rest of players. Put good crosses and the perfect long ball and KJ is the perfect striker. He did not get much of that.  KJ is not the kind of striker who can bring the ball and distribute like how Wayne Rooney does at times. He needs the ball in the box.

Well defence. Hmmmmmm. Coach need to fix that part of the game now. They just screwed up in the end. I like Cyrus. I like his coolness. But sometimes he escorts players to far into our area and by then he is afraid to tackle because he may give away a pk. He has to up his game, or pick someone else. The irony of our team is the two wingers can play wing backs. That is to tell you the paucity of attacking players we have at the moment, that our two best the attacking defenders are used as forwards.

Let's not give up hope as yet. The onus is on the players to find the intangibles that makes players great from good. Find a way to win. If they feel Friday was tough, wait till they reach Honduras.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: ffisback on November 13, 2016, 08:22:09 PM
The Coach already had in his mind that Costa Rica was a more  talented team than T&T.
 So the man played it safe and hoped for a point. If we are honest most teams in the Hex feel that we are the whipping boys and that they can get points . What we have to do is surprise some of them away.
 The trick for the Hex is to win your home gains and try for a point away. A win against Honduras will change the whole equation.
The Hex is no place for cowards T&T is not going to qualify for the WC playing like that it will be better if he just resign .
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: ffisback on November 13, 2016, 08:42:45 PM
I honestly not on the fire SH bandwagon. I know for a fact we doh have the 2 or 3 "midas touch" players that could make us play like the Strike Squad or the Warriors. Maybe you can blame him for tactics or not choosing the right player for the right time. But for the short space of time that he has with the team makes his job even more challenging. Just as I like Molino, I like Jomal. I honestly feel he, together with Molino, Cummins, Cato, JJ are the future. Yes, they just not clicking. They need time, but we have no time because we are in the Hex. Our team did not play good, but they were not bad. Well we lost. We lack persistent intentisty. After watching US-Mex game, we have to play each game, home and away like is the final game. We dangerous on the fast break, but all teams can adjust to fast breaks, even us. We still not seeing our forwards being able to beat opponents one on one. JJ, Cato and to a lesser extent Jomal had some brief interludes, but they need to be more persistent.

When in comes to KJ, well we know his success depends a lot of the service that he gets from the rest of players. Put good crosses and the perfect long ball and KJ is the perfect striker. He did not get much of that.  KJ is not the kind of striker who can bring the ball and distribute like how Wayne Rooney does at times. He needs the ball in the box.

Well defence. Hmmmmmm. Coach need to fix that part of the game now. They just screwed up in the end. I like Cyrus. I like his coolness. But sometimes he escorts players to far into our area and by then he is afraid to tackle because he may give away a pk. He has to up his game, or pick someone else. The irony of our team is the two wingers can play wing backs. That is to tell you the paucity of attacking players we have at the moment, that our two best the attacking defenders are used as forwards.

Let's not give up hope as yet. The onus is on the players to find the intangibles that makes players great from good. Find a way to win. If they feel Friday was tough, wait till they reach Honduras.
The problem with your post is that  its the coach's job to get the players ready for the job at hand not the players themselves and 3 years is more than enough time for a coach to build a team I have seen coach's like Z Vanes and F Maturana come to T&T and build a team in a few months time S Hart just can't cut it at this level.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: g on November 14, 2016, 06:15:41 AM
i waiting to see the approach on Tuesday before getting on any bandwagon.

We need to be better than 2 teams to make the playoff spot. Those two targets are Panama and Honduras on paper. Tuesday is key.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: doc on November 14, 2016, 07:19:05 AM
SH is sent into a 21st century battle with 19th century arsenal. Just by being competitive he is overachieving!  FIFA 2016 Fantasy Football manager is as far as you can get from the real thing. Get real!!!
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Jay10 on November 14, 2016, 04:57:30 PM
We are just not that good. Period

No coach can get Cyrus and David to concentrate. Or to have K george make a proper pass

J. Jones, Bateau, Hyland, Boucad are the only players with quality who can hold their own with anyone.

Levi is still green but will be world class

Lets not kid ourselves. These teams are technically and tactically better and more experienced than us.

KJ tries but playing in the TT pro League does us no favours.

We saw a professional display from CR and thats what we will see from most other teams in the Hex. Game management.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Controversial on November 14, 2016, 06:22:08 PM
We are good enough...

We could have beaten Costa but people don't realize or are not intuitive enough to see that things are going on behind closed doors that are not being revealed to us...

From the time David took over the team has gone downhill, player shot, players indiscipline and so forth.. A lot of things have been happening that were not present before.. David is at the centre of it and the quicker people realize that things are happening in the  dark, then they will realize the change of fortune for the team...

Trinidad football is surrounded by corrupt individuals and outside interference ... Slowly our team is being weakened... From dropping of players, to players being shot, being suspended, not playing for their clubs, to ttfa drama... It's all being done in tandem to sabotage our team...
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Trini on November 15, 2016, 08:34:46 PM
In the middle of 2015, we went on a run of 13 games where we only lost once.

This included the 2 big draws vs Mexico and we rode this streak to get into the HEX.

Since then, over roughly the last year, we have played 13 games and lost 8 times.

The 3 wins we have had were against Dominican Rep and St Vincent.

If you take out the Caribbean opposition in this last year, in 10 games we have scored 8 and conceded 27.

This is not the form to finish 4th in the HEX.

If we are serious about turning this around, now is the time to change the coach.

Even if for the simple reason to refreshen the team heading into the GC Qualifiers and the crucial next 2 home games vs Panama and Mexico.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: g on November 15, 2016, 08:56:31 PM
Have a feeling that DJW will move on this one. Tough to defend against it in all honesty..
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: pull stones on November 15, 2016, 09:05:28 PM
It's my belief that coach hart would resign on his own in a day or two. I think there's a coup happening on the team where the half the players are not playing for the coach any more. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Socapro on November 15, 2016, 09:13:40 PM
It's my belief that coach hart would resign on his own in a day or two. I think there's a coup happening on the team where the half the players are not playing for the coach any more. Just my opinion.

Half the players are not playing for the coach any more? How about them playing for themselves (to get recognized by better clubs and earn more money) and for the country?

Are you saying they are prepared to throw the first two games in the Hex to get the coach changed and believe once the coach is changed they have the pedigree to still qualify in the top 3?

And what if the new coach if there is a coach change does not fancy using half the current players on the team who are sub-performing to help achieve a coup?
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Bitter on November 15, 2016, 09:40:05 PM
Allyuh too ungrateful. If somebody had tell you that after 2 games in the hex, we would be tied with the USA, ent allyuh woulda take it?  ;D ;D :devil: :devil:
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: FF on November 15, 2016, 09:46:06 PM
Catch yourself bitter. We beating USA right now  ;D

But seriously. We have missed a trick here with the state of some of the other teams in the Hex. Great opportunity not quite lost yet
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Trini _2026 on November 15, 2016, 10:14:11 PM
It may be time for Hart to put the interest of the country first and move on
..I thank him for his service....
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: pull stones on November 15, 2016, 11:31:47 PM
It's my belief that coach hart would resign on his own in a day or two. I think there's a coup happening on the team where the half the players are not playing for the coach any more. Just my opinion.

Half the players are not playing for the coach any more? How about them playing for themselves (to get recognized by better clubs and earn more money) and for the country?

Are you saying they are prepared to throw the first two games in the Hex to get the coach changed and believe once the coach is changed they have the pedigree to still qualify in the top 3?

And what if the new coach if there is a coach change does not fancy using half the current players on the team who are sub-performing to help achieve a coup?
listen mate there is one thing that's glaringly obvious and that's the fact that Steven hart has lost the locker room since before the haitian game. Players breaking camp to lime on the eve of an important game and doing it amonth later despite the warnings. Just look at jovin jones body language tonight when being subbed off after being a goal down where he crawled off the pitch like we were couple of goals up.now if thats not a clear sign of losing the dressing room then i don't know squat.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Socapro on November 16, 2016, 12:58:44 AM
It's my belief that coach hart would resign on his own in a day or two. I think there's a coup happening on the team where the half the players are not playing for the coach any more. Just my opinion.

Half the players are not playing for the coach any more? How about them playing for themselves (to get recognized by better clubs and earn more money) and for the country?

Are you saying they are prepared to throw the first two games in the Hex to get the coach changed and believe once the coach is changed they have the pedigree to still qualify in the top 3?

And what if the new coach if there is a coach change does not fancy using half the current players on the team who are sub-performing to help achieve a coup?
listen mate there is one thing that's glaringly obvious and that's the fact that Steven hart has lost the locker room since before the haitian game. Players breaking camp to lime on the eve of an important game and doing it amonth later despite the warnings. Just look at jovin jones body language tonight when being subbed off after being a goal down where he crawled off the pitch like we were couple of goals up.now if thats not a clear sign of losing the dressing room then i don't know squat.
Only one player broke camp and he has rightly served a two game suspension for disrespecting  his team and country.

Also regards Jovin Jones he is not the first player to be unhappy with being subbed if that is what you read his body language to be. In fact that is natural especially if you think you still had something left in the tank to help your team to win the game.

It is not clear to me that Hart has lost the dressing room. What is clear though is that some of the players are not putting up enough fight to win these kind of do or die Hex games and that changes have to be made in the team as well as in  the mindset of some of the players and work rate of the players in order for us to start getting positive results.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Quags on November 16, 2016, 07:01:54 AM
I think this team been in array since Cummings got shot .I suggested to coach on this board to at least have him on the bench for morale ,no idea if he ever read it .
Regarding Cyrus ,his last good game was against Argentina ,now he's a coaches pick just like bleeder was to other past coaches.Guess Hart willing to lose his job just so Cyrus could play infortunate especially in a time where we finally have a glut of good defenders .
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Jumbie on November 16, 2016, 08:04:10 AM
I think this team been in array since Cummings got shot .I suggested to coach on this board to at least have him on the bench for morale ,no idea if he ever read it .
Regarding Cyrus ,his last good game was against Argentina ,now he's a coaches pick just like bleeder was to other past coaches.Guess Hart willing to lose his job just so Cyrus could play infortunate especially in a time where we finally have a glut of good defenders .

if you believe we have 'good', then we need 'Great" (medicinal much  :rotfl: )
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: trini_stallion on November 16, 2016, 09:09:23 AM
9 goals in our last 3 games, scoring 1...I don't think its coach Hart... some players are more committed than others...
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Banter Banton on November 16, 2016, 09:57:50 AM
Team has gone stale. Hart himself looks beaten and It's only understandable after Tim Kee and now this madman dictator who has given him hell from the start.

The players themselves are a mentally weak bunch and they are young inexperienced and afraid to be an aggressive team who works together.

It will be a hard task for a new coach but at this point I dont think Hart has anything left in the tank to turn this around.

I would personally hire Schafer...He has worked with the type of Caribbean soft mentality with Jamaica and got them to a gold cup final and was unlucky not to get to the hex with Panama and Costa Rica in their group.
He has a bit of live wire spark about him. Put him on a one year contract and see what he can do
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: saga pinto on November 16, 2016, 10:31:01 AM
But we had Maturana who coached Columbia, Peru and Ecuador and got rid of him for Latas

Well said my brother but yuh dealing with plenty dreamers on this board
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Dutty Love on November 16, 2016, 11:16:35 AM
Team has gone stale. Hart himself looks beaten and It's only understandable after Tim Kee and now this madman dictator who has given him hell from the start.

The players themselves are a mentally weak bunch and they are young inexperienced and afraid to be an aggressive team who works together.

It will be a hard task for a new coach but at this point I dont think Hart has anything left in the tank to turn this around.

I would personally hire Schafer...He has worked with the type of Caribbean soft mentality with Jamaica and got them to a gold cup final and was unlucky not to get to the hex with Panama and Costa Rica in their group.
He has a bit of live wire spark about him. Put him on a one year contract and see what he can do


He was also lucky to qualify last minute vs Nicaragua
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: trini_stallion on November 16, 2016, 11:54:29 AM
Kilnsmann 🙄
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: palos on November 16, 2016, 12:34:46 PM
Kilnsmann 🙄

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Latas will be the next mens national team coach with Stuart Charles as his assistant and Dwight Yorke as spetial advisor.

Gone from the team will be Abu Bakr, Boucaud, Kenwyne Jones, Kevan George, Plaza, and Trevin Cesar

Molino, Peltier, Mikeil Williams, Shahdon Winchester, and Hughton Hector will be back in the team.

Bateau will be captain and Cyrus will partner him in central defence.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: g on November 16, 2016, 12:52:35 PM
Kilnsmann 🙄

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Latas will be the next mens national team coach with Stuart Charles as his assistant and Dwight Yorke as spetial advisor.

Gone from the team will be Abu Bakr, Boucaud, Kenwyne Jones, Kevan George, Plaza, and Trevin Cesar

Molino, Peltier, Mikeil Williams, Shahdon Winchester, and Hughton Hector will be back in the team.

Bateau will be captain and Cyrus will partner him in central defence.

yuh had meh till yuh said Cyrus  :bs:
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: palos on November 16, 2016, 12:57:22 PM
Kilnsmann 🙄

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Latas will be the next mens national team coach with Stuart Charles as his assistant and Dwight Yorke as spetial advisor.

Gone from the team will be Abu Bakr, Boucaud, Kenwyne Jones, Kevan George, Plaza, and Trevin Cesar

Molino, Peltier, Mikeil Williams, Shahdon Winchester, and Hughton Hector will be back in the team.

Bateau will be captain and Cyrus will partner him in central defence.

yuh had meh till yuh said Cyrus  :bs:

Cyrus plays club football for?

Cyrus plays in what position for that club?

Interestingly......Aubrey David, Daniel Cyrus, and Mikeil Williams all play in central defence.  They only playing wing back for the National team because of a dearth of options at the wing back position.

Cyrus played wing back for Chicago Fire and got released fairly quickly.  He has natural attributes....physicality, speed, athleticism etc.  Unfortunately the mental side of his game vastly overshadows those attributes.

Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Errol on November 16, 2016, 01:15:46 PM
Stephen Hart is not helping his case because of poor results and losing to Haiti and Martinique in important matches.

His faith in Cyrus will also be his downfall, anyone can see he is terrible at right back.

Bateau is suspended for our next games I think, now what?

Hart need to play friendly games, you cant play 1 game evry 2 months and expect the team to do well, especially when you have players that dont play regular. He needs to build a local team and give them exposure.

Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Deeks on November 16, 2016, 01:45:34 PM
Errol, I agree about the friendlies. But that depends on DJW.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: MEP on November 16, 2016, 02:33:40 PM
Stephen Hart is not helping his case because of poor results and losing to Haiti and Martinique in important matches.

His faith in Cyrus will also be his downfall, anyone can see he is terrible at right back.


I hope you realize that Cyrus is probably his best option but I'm sure all the proleague teams think they have better players. Personally, I think Cyrus is decent and is good going forward,  however, he is defensively a goat and I don't understand how he plays CD as one f the attributes of a CD is to see the whole field and he doesn't as he has these momentary lapses where he becomes so ball bound that he doesn't adjust to suit.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: palos on November 16, 2016, 02:46:56 PM
Stephen Hart is not helping his case because of poor results and losing to Haiti and Martinique in important matches.
You would have preferred we lost to Guatemala?

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His faith in Cyrus will also be his downfall, anyone can see he is terrible at right back.
Cyrus is one of the very few options we have at the wing back position. 

The question you have to ask yourself is.....is joevin jones more of an asset at wing back or higher up the field?  Joevin Jones doesn't want to play wing back either and he is arguably more effective in an advanced position.

Hoyte doesn't have a club

Everyone else are either too green (Hodge, Peters) or are really center backs filling in. 

The only other option is Cato who plays wing back for his club.  I would have tried Cato at right back but I also not in camp to see who training well etc.

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Bateau is suspended for our next games I think, now what?
We're quite deep at the centre back position.

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Hart need to play friendly games, you cant play 1 game evry 2 months and expect the team to do well, especially when you have players that dont play regular. He needs to build a local team and give them exposure.
I'll play along

Say he builds a local team like the one that went China, Peru etc.  He gave them exposure.  They failed to measure up.

If the team needs to play friendlies...the coach must organize them too? 

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Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Errol on November 16, 2016, 05:09:41 PM
Palos, two games is not enough to truly gauge players.

Mitchell, Marshall and bateau can play wing back, but yes, we shirt there, this is why Hart need games to help them discover and groom a few.

Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: palos on November 16, 2016, 05:16:21 PM
Palos, two games is not enough to truly gauge players.

Mitchell, Marshall and bateau can play wing back, but yes, we shirt there, this is why Hart need games to help them discover and groom a few.



Hart use 31 local players in his 3 years.  He try Gonzalez, Hodge, and James.   If one hasn't been "discovered" is because the well not jes dry in that position.  It near non existent.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: g on November 16, 2016, 06:05:25 PM
Cyrus problem is fitness, when you are not physically fit you switch off mentally.

The wing back has to be the fittest player on any football team due to the physical demands of the position.

Sport is a science now, players wearing heart monitors and are evaluated individually and put on specific dietary, strength and fitness programs. Does this even exist in the local professional or national setup?
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: kounty on November 16, 2016, 09:38:20 PM

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Bateau is suspended for our next games I think, now what?
We're quite deep at the centre back position.



I cringe at this one. They just put een Mitchell and he virtually cause 2 goals. I praying for a miracle, 2 center backs in England or somewhere suddenly realize they have Trini roots.
Title: Hart urged to shake up T&T team
Post by: Tallman on November 17, 2016, 09:17:32 AM
Hart urged to shake up T&T team
By Joel Bailey (T&T Newsday)


BRENT SANCHO and Keith Look Loy have both expressed their disappointment in the lacklustre efforts of the Trinidad and Tobago football team, against Honduras on Tuesday and Costa Rica last Friday, in their respective FIFA World Cup CONCACAF Zone Final Round qualifiers.

On Tuesday, T&T were beaten 3-1 away to Honduras at San Pedro Sula while, last Friday, they were defeated 2-0 by Costa Rica at the Hasely Crawford Stadium in Mucurapo.

However, both Sancho and Look Loy, in respective telephone interviews yesterday, noted that T&T coach Stephen Hart was not entirely to blame for the team’s struggles, as the players also have to take stock for the team’s display. Focusing on the Honduras match, Sancho described the result as “disappointing”.

The current Central FC chief executive officer noted, “I think, when you look at the way the Honduras team started, they never gave us a chance to settle, which is expected when you’re playing these types of teams, especially (away), they would play at a very high tempo.

“We didn’t start well,” continued the former national defender. “We had a better second half.

Although we got a goal (courtesy Carlyle Mitchell) from a better start in the second half, (we) could not sustain that throughout the period.

All and all, I’m quite sure that Hart would have been a bit disappointed with the way we played in total. We played in spurts. There is a lot of work to be done between now and March.” Trinidad and Tobago will host Panama on March 24 and Mexico four days later, when World Cup qualification resumes.

Despite the poor start, Sancho believes T&T can still qualify as he reminisced on the 2006 campaign where T&T reached Germany after registering just one point from their first three games.

“I think there is where Hart’s work will start, being able now to modify and change things around, which I’m sure he’s spoken about, as it relates to the (forthcoming) games that we have still around the corner,” he added.

Look Loy, the current FC Santa Rosa president and coach, admitted that the Honduras result “puts us in a deep hole already, after two games, even if there are eight left.

“When you look at the performance of our team, you don’t know, on average, where the five wins we need to get, are coming from.” The outspoken Look Loy was quick to point out several problems in the etam.

“Fitness is one, the players looked very tired at the end of both matches. The team selection is another, I think the public is fairly well-convinced now that (captain and centre forward) Kenwyne Jones does not have a place on the starting team.

That’s my view. As we saw (on Tuesday) and against Costa Rica, (Trevin) Caesar and (Willis) Plaza present a better option; they’re more mobile, better on the ball and they offer more to the team.” He added, “we have the question of team tactics and tactical indiscipline.

The worst culprit in that regard was (right back) Daneil Cyrus, who was giving away goals every match. Honduras had studied our games and they came after him from the first whistle.”
Title: Local coaches call for Hart’s plan B
Post by: Tallman on November 17, 2016, 09:19:18 AM
Local coaches call for Hart’s plan B
By Walter Alibey (T&T Guardian)


Local coaches are calling on national coach Stephen Hart to introduce a plan ‘B’ in the wake of the team’s disappointing 1-3 loss to Honduras on Tuesday night in the Final Round of the World Cup Qualifiers in San Pedro Sula.

Coaches Angus Eve and Ron La Forrest, both pointed to Hart’s achievements in guiding the ‘Soca Warriors’ to the final round, said yesterday that his style of play has become too predictable to opposing teams and he must now introduce another attacking strategy as soon as possible, if T&T is to have any chance of playing in a World Cup for a second time.

Under Hart, the team has lost its opening two matches of the round, going down 2-0 at the Hasely Crawford Stadium to Costa Rica last Friday, and Tuesday’s humiliating defeat to the Hondurans away from home, which has effectively placed T&T out of the automatic qualifying zone which is for the top three teams. T&T is ahead of United States which lies last on the six-team table without a point.

Yesterday, Eve, who coach Club Sando and two-time Secondary Schools’ champion team Naparima College, in his assessment of the game, explained that Hart’s use of two strikers- Kenwyne Jones and Trevin Caesar, was evident of his desire to attack his opponents, when he should have opted to play a counter-attacking game. “When you’re in a tournament of this magnitude, you have to decide how you want to play at home and away. In my humble view, we should play more attacking football at home, which means using more attacking players because of the advantage, but use a counter-attacking strategy when we are on the road” Eve explained.

In his comment, the former national midfield stand-out who is now being recognized for his achievement as a coach, pointed out that the team’s defeat on Tuesday night was due largely to the lack of marking and tracking by the players.

Hart’s use of the same backline that consisted Sheldon Bateau and Carlyle Mitchell- both occupying the central positions and Daneil Cyrus and Aubrey David on the flanks, did meet Eve’s approval, but he said Cyrus looked particularly unaware of who to pick up when they are in defence mood.

Eve pointed out that while he still believes Hart is the man to take the country to the World Cup, it is imperative that he introduces a plan ‘B’ to effectively get us there. “We have been doing the same thing over and over and teams have worked out now” Eve added. He is calling on the team’s technical committee to sit with Hart and guide him accordingly, saying he hopes his comments are taken as constructive criticism and nothing else.

Meanwhile, La Forrest, a fan of Hart and his football, has also called for him to introduce a plan ‘B’ which will improve the team’s attacking power. He believes the team has been playing too defensive, particularly with the use of captain and striker Kenwyne Jones up front.

The former national standout said: “We need to use the talent that we have available to us that is certain to produce goals — Joevin Jones and Levi Garcia need to be on the field at all times, as well as the proper use of strikers Willis Plaza and Trevin Caesar and midfielders Cordell Cato, Andre Boucaud and Ataulla Guerra.

He noted that while he supports Hart to take the team to the World Cup, the T&T Football Association being headed by David John-Williams, should surround him with a number of knowledgeable coaches that will provide much needed assistance for the rest of the qualifiers and beyond.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Sando prince on November 17, 2016, 03:17:11 PM
Hart urged to shake up T&T team
By Joel Bailey (T&T Newsday)



Look Loy, the current FC Santa Rosa president and coach, admitted that the Honduras result “puts us in a deep hole already, after two games, even if there are eight left.

“When you look at the performance of our team, you don’t know, on average, where the five wins we need to get, are coming from.” The outspoken Look Loy was quick to point out several problems in the etam.

“Fitness is one, the players looked very tired at the end of both matches. The team selection is another, I think the public is fairly well-convinced now that (captain and centre forward) Kenwyne Jones does not have a place on the starting team.

That’s my view. As we saw (on Tuesday) and against Costa Rica, (Trevin) Caesar and (Willis) Plaza present a better option; they’re more mobile, better on the ball and they offer more to the team.” He added, “we have the question of team tactics and tactical indiscipline.

The worst culprit in that regard was (right back) Daneil Cyrus, who was giving away goals every match. Honduras had studied our games and they came after him from the first whistle.”


See how this man (Look Loy) just saying what everyone thinking. he doh care who doh like it! plain talk and bad manners yes
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Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Dutty Love on November 17, 2016, 03:22:59 PM
Hart urged to shake up T&T team
By Joel Bailey (T&T Newsday)



Look Loy, the current FC Santa Rosa president and coach, admitted that the Honduras result “puts us in a deep hole already, after two games, even if there are eight left.

“When you look at the performance of our team, you don’t know, on average, where the five wins we need to get, are coming from.” The outspoken Look Loy was quick to point out several problems in the etam.

“Fitness is one, the players looked very tired at the end of both matches. The team selection is another, I think the public is fairly well-convinced now that (captain and centre forward) Kenwyne Jones does not have a place on the starting team.

That’s my view. As we saw (on Tuesday) and against Costa Rica, (Trevin) Caesar and (Willis) Plaza present a better option; they’re more mobile, better on the ball and they offer more to the team.” He added, “we have the question of team tactics and tactical indiscipline.

The worst culprit in that regard was (right back) Daneil Cyrus, who was giving away goals every match. Honduras had studied our games and they came after him from the first whistle.”


See how this man (Look Loy) just saying what everyone thinking. he doh care who doh like it! plain talk and bad manners yes
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Yes sure, ask Alianza's fan about Plaza.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: maxg on November 17, 2016, 04:53:14 PM
must at this point agree with Eve. Although I'm a fan of KJ and think he is doing his job effectively, i think the men he's setting up are not effective..in the absence of men who can take on men, a la Pele, Maradona etc..or Stern, latas and even a Cornell, attacking and creating havoc without seemingly being stopped by kickdown everytime (JJ). Make no sense at this point setting up men, who then don't create/cause any shake up. Since we have no one of that ilk, then it seems necessary to change the setup man strategy. In fact, he hardly gets a decent cross whereby he has a chance of - using his athletic ability, by out jumping the opposing defenders nor recieving the ball back in a scoring position. Thus yes, Plan B. May still have Jones on the field, if necessary but in a different role, the air ball with his back to goal not working.  If he occupies 2 or 3, and still our strongest dribblers JJ, Levi or Cato not penetrating, then maybe they not able to, so no setup necessary.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Trini on November 17, 2016, 07:14:55 PM

We can call for the coach to be changed, but realistically who can we afford that is an upgrade? I am a supporter of Hart, but I think even if its for the simple refreshing and "new-manager" syndrome for performances, we should be seriously thinking of changing.

We can't change the pool of players...and to be honest they have been together for a long time, playing lots of games together. But the coach can be changed.

The way I see it, we either:
1) Do nothing and hope to turn around the team's form by the law of nature and numbers where things always seem to even out over a longer period of time...Over roughly the last year, we have played 13 games and lost 8 times, scoring 8 and conceding 27. The 3 teams we have beaten are Caribbean teams, and unfortunately none of them in the HEX for us to feast on. So you could HOPE that we are due for a few wins and goals...

or

2) Go out and take a loan and get a new world class coach like we did in 2005 and give the players a better chance. They have lost form bad/grown stale and need a spark. There are some coaches readily available - Bruce Arena, Marcelo Bielsa, Sam Allardyce, Frank Rijkaard, Dunga, Frank de Boer, Manuel Pellegrini. I am sure we could get one of these guys for under a Mil USD for a year long contract for 2017.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Trini Madness on November 17, 2016, 07:26:21 PM
i think the team can utilize a 5-3-2 formation helping our defensive situation and then transforming into a 3-5-2 on the attack.

                                                                            Plaza               Caesar

                                                                                     Molino/Guerra

                                                                           Hyland/Bostock          Boucaud

                                                          J Jones                                                     Cato
                                                                      Marshall      Bateau    Mitchell
                                                                                   
                                                                                        Philip/WIlliams


We have caesar and plaza as our two strikers, molino/guerra as the attacking mid, Hyland/Bostock and Boucaud (which ever 2) at holding midfield, Joevin and cato as our wing backs making the runs down the flanks, and with marshall, bateau and mitchell as our back 3. we get fit to run 120 minutes, play a pressing game, dont let the other team breathe and we're right up there.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Deeks on November 17, 2016, 09:22:42 PM
Let's hope Bostock is in the frame of mind to play for a struggling team.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Fyzoman on November 21, 2016, 02:55:59 PM
Well one CONCACAf football Federation/Association did what DESPERATELY needed to be done...No more Jurgen...like Green Day said...

Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: ffisback on November 21, 2016, 10:12:55 PM
MR David John Williams its your move next.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: g on November 22, 2016, 05:14:58 AM
Hearing that Dr Babwah, long standing team doctor has resigned. Any confirmations on the ground?



Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: fari on November 22, 2016, 11:06:45 AM
Hearing that Dr Babwah, long standing team doctor has resigned. Any confirmations on the ground?






saw it today in the papers also
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Deeks on November 22, 2016, 11:20:25 AM
Yes, it was on the papers today.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: SWF Reporter on November 22, 2016, 11:25:44 AM
Hart: Babwah never told us that! Maurice, Ottley slam “very strange” resignations over Jan injury
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868.com)

Trinidad and Tobago National Senior Team head coach Stephen Hart, goalkeeper coach Michael Maurice and fitness trainer Tobias Ottley have strongly denied accusations—published in the Trinidad Guardian newspaper—that the coach played Jan-Michael Williams against medical advice by team doctor Dr Terence Babwah in their 3-1 World Cup qualifying loss to Honduras on 15 November.
The issue was raised initially by radio host Andre Baptiste on the i95.5FM station on Saturday 19 November. According to the Guardian article, that was the very day that Babwah and physiotherapist Dave Isaacs handed in their resignations to the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA).
Babwah confirmed his resignation but asked that all questions be directed to TTFA president David John-Williams.
“It is true that I resigned but anything more you will have to talk to John-Williams,” Babwah told Wired868.
John-Williams did not answer any questions on the issue while Isaacs could not be reached by phone. The TTFA subsequently released a press statement on both resignations.
The 32-year-old Williams, who has 75 full international caps, was knocked unconscious and concussed after just six minutes in San Pedro Sula when Honduras striker Alberth Ellis inadvertently smashed his knee into the temple of the Central FC custodian.
Guardian reporter Walter Alibey, who quoted an anonymous source, claimed that Babwah “strongly recommended” that Williams not play, since he was “medically unfit” due to “a severe shoulder injury” sustained against Costa Rica on 11 November which left him “unable to raise his left hand or dive on his left side.”
“There was hardly any movement in William’s left hand,” stated the Guardian’s source, “and he therefore it could not be extended it and furthermore, play in the game.”
The TTFA release today claimed that Babwah quit because “his professional integrity and that of the Team’s medical staff, had been compromised by decisions made leading up to the Honduras game.”
However, the claims about Williams’ pre-existing injury were vehemently denied by the coaching staff and the goalkeeper.
“[Babwah] never told me it was not safe to play Jan,” Hart told Wired868. “He never ever said that! He told me that Jan had an injury [while we were] in Trinidad. He said Jan hurt his shoulder and he was struggling with it.
“So I said let us see how it works out. We had a light training session in Trinidad but then we had two training sessions in Panama and Jan trained twice fully. He dived, he did everything.
“Before the game, Doc never came to me and said ‘I advise Jan-Michael Williams should not play’. Because he would then have had to [also] recommend that Jan not even train [in Honduras]. And Jan trained fully.”
The first point of contention was when Williams received the knock that worried Babwah. The article claimed it happened during the Costa Rica match. But, according to the goalkeeper, he actually hurt his shoulder in the warm-up before the game.
Despite some soreness, Williams still felt able to play and did so without incident. He was not at fault for either Costa Rica goal.
Read more: http://wired868.com/2016/11/22/hart-babwah-never-told-us-that-maurice-ottley-slam-very-strange-resignations-over-jan-injury/
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: soccerman on November 22, 2016, 11:56:22 AM
This new episode sounds very fishy to me....
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on November 22, 2016, 12:06:49 PM
This new episode sounds very fishy to me....

It full ah seafood.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Thomo on November 22, 2016, 12:23:49 PM
There are snakes on the technical staff and snakes on the football team intent on only personal gain and gratification. Seems like this campaign is doomed for failure. Thanks to John-Williams, Babwah, Molino & Co you have succeeded in whatever you set out to gain. Keep away Bostock, De Leon, Willaims, Wright-Phillips and Ramjitsingh.
Title: Have a heart and take a walk, Hart
Post by: Tallman on November 23, 2016, 08:27:26 AM
Have a heart and take a walk, Hart
T&T Newsday


THE EDITOR: If I were national football coach Stephen Hart, I would have a heart and send in my walking papers, relieving the nation of the football anxiety.

I feel sorry for fans who pay to experience such pain at the Hasely Crawford Stadium.

If I were Football Association president David John William I would accept Hart’s walking papers. This would allow me the opportunity to bring in two different talents.

I would ask coach Russell Latapy to hold the reins. Latapy has the knack for spotting dynamic talent which, I think, abounds in the B-Mobile National Super League. I would also ask Everard “Gally” Cummings to join the crew as technical director. This is the change national football needs. These two men working in tandem.

They are experienced men, they can be the change.

We cannot continue to relive this insanity of doing the same things and expecting a different result in World Cup games.

We even look jokey in warm-up games.

Hart is like a typical politician, offering hope in the face of the stark reality that the team is delivering a matter associated with WASA. It is the goodly gentleman who picks the team, so he is responsible.

He is being paid to deliver results.

Football is not played in the past tense, but is all about results in the present.

For the length of time Hart has been coach, the team should be performing at a higher level, and more cohesively.

Our defence is porous like our borders and making our goalkeepers look bad.

Passes are sprayed senselessly by players, making you wonder if they are brain dead.

You also wonder why they are there. Forwards won’t pull the trigger in the box, making you believe they are gun shy. It is pure torture. So after all the national hype, and hours of practice, our footballers have delivered nothing worthy of praise in the last two qualifiers against Honduras and Costa Rica. When a player is cheered off the field, he must take stock. Captain Kenwyne Jones, who I think has reached his expiry date, is much like Captain Smith of the Titanic, standing on the bridge wondering what hit him, or what he hit.

I always feel the national team of 1972, the Strike Squad and the 2006 World Cup teams will beat the current team like a bobolee. Time for a real shake-up.

KEITH ANDERSON via e-mail
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: trini_stallion on November 23, 2016, 08:44:12 AM
Obliviously this Mr. Anderson on shit. Latapy had his chance and failed already. Maybe it was a premature appointment, but he is definitely not needed right now. He good where he at...I'm still holding out in Hart riding out, because I really believe it's the players. Next game, if we lorse or draw, then I wld thank coach Hart, and see what's the best available option.

Back to the article tho, this team just lacking the correct attitude. The talent is there but the attitude isn't, which is pointless. A shake up is needed, but I don't think calling for the coach head is the correct call at this time..
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Sando prince on November 23, 2016, 08:57:48 AM

I would ask coach Russell Latapy to hold the reins. Latapy has the knack for spotting dynamic talent which, I think, abounds in the B-Mobile National Super League. I would also ask Everard “Gally” Cummings to join the crew as technical director. This is the change national football needs. These two men working in tandem.




Is this guy crazy? does he understand the significance of the position of senior national coach? Latas has just recently failed miserably with the U-17 team. I love Latas as a player but as a coach he is yet to prove himself in any of his previous posts as coach. This guys claims Latas have a knock for spotting talent and should be coach of the national team based on this?

And he want to bring back Cummmings too Old man thinking here once again.
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Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Bourbon on November 23, 2016, 11:06:36 AM
These days I getting so fed up of hearing people braying I zoned out this.

From now on... Anybody suggesting Hart be fired... Please give viable and realistic suggestions as to his replacement.

Anything short of that wasting time.

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Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: g on November 23, 2016, 11:34:07 AM
Well today appears to be the day of reckoning. Technical committee meeting this afternoon.

Hart apparently has not even been invited to sit with the FA at any level to present his own perspective. They simply asked him for a written report which is customary after any competitive match regardless of the outcome.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: royal on November 23, 2016, 11:46:40 AM
too much drama in de wrong place 
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Controversial on November 23, 2016, 05:35:16 PM
The decision was made to stop our national teams success under Hart..

Sabotaging our team and coach... too much money involved so TT can't upset that equation
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Jumbie on November 23, 2016, 07:37:48 PM
the little I know of Mr Hart, I would say that if he felt he didn't have something to offer this team to take us to Russia, he would have resigned already. I can only imagine how difficult it is to function in the position admin and some of the older local football fraternity placed on him. There's been a serious lack of respect from day 1, more so with the new Pres (and his agenda)


Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: TriniUSA on November 23, 2016, 09:36:25 PM
Do you guys think the disparity in the results under the David John Williams presidency and the Tim Kee presidency is a coincidence? Do you not think there is a conflict of interest having DJW as the president of TTFA? Unfortunately like in politics in T&T, there is a cultural problem in Trinidad & Tobago where a lack integrity and honesty in public office is all to common. Firing Coach Hart is not the solution to our current problems and hiring Latapy is definitely not the solution. Latapy will go down as one of our greatest players  but a great player does not necessarily make a great coach. This team lacks the quality of the 1972 team, the Strike squad and even the 2005-06 team and they overachieved in their early games under Coach Hart and I knew they would have been hard pressed to improve on those performances. Our players lack the mental toughness and national pride to compete at the highest level. Case in point is Joevin Jones who when substituted in the last game , walked off the field expression less, as if he did give a damn and I felt he looked like he would have preferred to be elsewhere (maybe on a boat ride). Players have to want to represent their country and give their everything when out there. Molino in my opinion should not be selected again for a very long time, once is an indiscretion twice is utter disrespect for the country , coach and fellow players and all players who sympathize with him should also be shown the door. I feel sorry for Coach Hart but his profession is results based and unfortunately may end up losing his job. T&T football is not going anywhere under David Jack Warner sorry, John Williams and until we can get someone with integrity and willing to look after the interest of the country and not themselves, the country and it's loyal supporters will continue to suffer.
Title: The Kangaroo Court is in session for Hart
Post by: Controversial on November 24, 2016, 01:29:53 PM
Just when you think our football is on the rise, here comes another dictator to ruin our chances and take away the people's happiness..

Some men are a blight, once they get involved with something it goes down the drain, because they have a bad mind, it's not a mind for progression or betterment but of greed, corruption and ego.

We have once again entered another dark era in our football, where the autocrats have their spies and men propagating their message to ensure they remain in power, in order to benefit and suck dry our football..

Hart is a man of honour, he has endured without pay and through constant drama of the local based and their constant bobol and fight for validation... their insecurity over his talent as coach has led us down this dark passage..

In order to remove ourselves from this we need to further examine the people who elected the dictator and his minions and also if anything were to change to implement a boycott on our football and demand the removal of the scourge in our land...

You cannot progress with negative leaders and leaders of no substance... we need visionaries and men who are not petty and small minded .. I warned the board and they did not heed my warning, now we are on a downward slide that may end up with us loosing out on a good chance that may not come for another 5 years or more..

It's time for the doubters to start to listen to reason and logic and what is best for our football..
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: elan on November 24, 2016, 03:36:17 PM
Full on conspiracy theory

The USMNT will need to guarantee 3 points vs T&T which, after last outing in PoS was not a high probability. The USMNT not qualifying for a WC has far reach consequences even more so I believe than say El Tri not qualifying. Klinsmann for the USMNT becomes a liability and is dispatched with to make room for someone who will be much more complicit in following instructions in the upcoming qualifiers. Hart meanwhile in T&T also needs to make way as he has proven to be a man of high moral and strong character. He'll be replaced by someone who will have no problem letting the President dictate the pace.

This is History repeating itself. Another JW in the making following the same script. It seems that we are destined for another 1989. It may be less dramatic but the result on the field and off the field will be the same. Soca Warriors lose, and the TTFA president moves up the ranks in CONCACAF and FIFA like he's been trying to do.

June 9th 2017
October 10th 2017

Mark those dates and watch history repeat itself.





Hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Mose on November 24, 2016, 04:05:32 PM
Only if you really believe that the US is in any real danger of not making it out of the Hex!
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Controversial on November 24, 2016, 04:21:10 PM
Full on conspiracy theory

The USMNT will need to guarantee 3 points vs T&T which, after last outing in PoS was not a high probability. The USMNT not qualifying for a WC has far reach consequences even more so I believe than say El Tri not qualifying. Klinsmann for the USMNT becomes a liability and is dispatched with to make room for someone who will be much more complicit in following instructions in the upcoming qualifiers. Hart meanwhile in T&T also needs to make way as he has proven to be a man of high moral and strong character. He'll be replaced by someone who will have no problem letting the President dictate the pace.

This is History repeating itself. Another JW in the making following the same script. It seems that we are destined for another 1989. It may be less dramatic but the result on the field and off the field will be the same. Soca Warriors lose, and the TTFA president moves up the ranks in CONCACAF and FIFA like he's been trying to do.

June 9th 2017
October 10th 2017

Mark those dates and watch history repeat itself.





Hope I'm wrong.

Trinidad is full of sell outs, from the politicians to govt to heads of sport...

These men have no integrity so they will sell out their country to reach a position of power... they can't achieve that on their own, so they need to use our national team to do it.. for their own advancement
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Controversial on November 24, 2016, 04:28:50 PM
Do you guys think the disparity in the results under the David John Williams presidency and the Tim Kee presidency is a coincidence? Do you not think there is a conflict of interest having DJW as the president of TTFA? Unfortunately like in politics in T&T, there is a cultural problem in Trinidad & Tobago where a lack integrity and honesty in public office is all to common. Firing Coach Hart is not the solution to our current problems and hiring Latapy is definitely not the solution. Latapy will go down as one of our greatest players  but a great player does not necessarily make a great coach. This team lacks the quality of the 1972 team, the Strike squad and even the 2005-06 team and they overachieved in their early games under Coach Hart and I knew they would have been hard pressed to improve on those performances. Our players lack the mental toughness and national pride to compete at the highest level. Case in point is Joevin Jones who when substituted in the last game , walked off the field expression less, as if he did give a damn and I felt he looked like he would have preferred to be elsewhere (maybe on a boat ride). Players have to want to represent their country and give their everything when out there. Molino in my opinion should not be selected again for a very long time, once is an indiscretion twice is utter disrespect for the country , coach and fellow players and all players who sympathize with him should also be shown the door. I feel sorry for Coach Hart but his profession is results based and unfortunately may end up losing his job. T&T football is not going anywhere under David Jack Warner sorry, John Williams and until we can get someone with integrity and willing to look after the interest of the country and not themselves, the country and it's loyal supporters will continue to suffer.

You're wrong about our players lack of talent, that is bull, our players are under stress and also underperforming because the power circle is setting to stage a coup...
Title: Re: The Kangaroo Court is in session for Hart
Post by: palos on November 24, 2016, 05:01:42 PM
Deeks?  :)
Title: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: Tallman on November 24, 2016, 05:05:35 PM
TTFA and Hart part ways
TTFA Media


The Trinidad & Tobago Football Association (TTFA) and Senior National Men’s Team Head Coach Stephen Hart have agreed to part ways with immediate effect.

This follows a meeting held this afternoon between Mr. Hart and members of the TTFA Board of Directors.

President David John-Williams, on behalf of the TTFA, thanks Mr. Hart for his services over the past three years and wishes him every success in his future endeavours.

Mr. John-Williams confirms that the announcement of a new Head Coach for the TTFA Senior National Men’s Team will be made in the shortest possible time.
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: FF on November 24, 2016, 05:15:26 PM
SH thank you and good luck!

You remain a legend in my household.  :salute:
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: kounty on November 24, 2016, 05:15:42 PM
I'll wait to see who take over before I decide whether to rest this team for the next 4 yrs or not.
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: Trini Madness on November 24, 2016, 05:20:18 PM
Ohhh boy I want to see who's coming in now. Thank you coach Hart!
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: asylumseeker on November 24, 2016, 05:30:14 PM
Let's see whether the TTFA's succession plan emulates that of US Soccer: going back to the future and announced on the following day.
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: trini_stallion on November 24, 2016, 05:55:53 PM
What a shame...real garbage...the players let down the country and a coach that really cared about them. The TTFA on shit!!!
Good luck Coach Hart! For real! What a fkn shameee
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: elan on November 24, 2016, 05:56:38 PM
This is some real  :bs:
This TTFA needs a dread boycott
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: Bourbon on November 24, 2016, 05:56:47 PM
Thanks Coach Hart.

So who the replacement is now? Shouldn't that have been figured out before they let him go?

Doh tell me is Latapy. The only good thing about that would be Molino might break camp and bounce up the coach in the dance.

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Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: grimm01 on November 24, 2016, 06:01:08 PM
Thanks Coach Hart, sorry it had to end like this. I wish u all the best, u deserve better than this tin pot administration.


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Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: fari on November 24, 2016, 06:09:41 PM
Very unfortunate end. Thanks Coach Hart for a lot of good times, the team made some strides under your stewardship but as usual off the field stuff came into play.
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: elan on November 24, 2016, 06:12:31 PM
The whole shenanigan surrounding the firing makes it that much worst. If hey had just come out and said "the last couple results left us concerned about qualifying for Russia and so we think we need to try something different", may have been a more palatable pill to swallow.

But the underneath, in the shadows type of dealing makes it difficult to accept and understand their position
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: Trini Madness on November 24, 2016, 06:26:21 PM
I would bring in Dennis Lawrence
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: 100% Barataria on November 24, 2016, 06:36:15 PM
I would bring in Dennis Lawrence

TM, respectfully, if I were Dennis, I would continue to enjoy and grow in my role at Everton.  No way I was dealing with such a banana-like run organization
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: fari on November 24, 2016, 06:38:27 PM
I would bring in Dennis Lawrence

TM, respectfully, if I were Dennis, I would continue to enjoy and grow in my role at Everton.  No way I was dealing with such a banana-like run organization

is he at Everton still or did he leave when Martinez got sacked?
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: Deeks on November 24, 2016, 07:04:24 PM
Thanks for the lil magic carpet ride. Good luck in your next endeavors. God Bless.
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: asylumseeker on November 24, 2016, 07:05:05 PM
I would bring in Dennis Lawrence

TM, respectfully, if I were Dennis, I would continue to enjoy and grow in my role at Everton.  No way I was dealing with such a banana-like run organization

is he at Everton still or did he leave when Martinez got sacked?

Not at Everton.
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: Sam on November 24, 2016, 07:08:23 PM
What a f00cking shame

Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: Sam on November 24, 2016, 07:08:51 PM
Latapy is a c00nt coach

Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: Dynamite Warrior on November 24, 2016, 07:09:40 PM
I think SH did a great job but I'm not against the decision to move on as the results have fallen off and the team has not won a big game under his regime. However, my final decision on firing Hart would be dependent on who they can get. If I see Latapy or some other recycled names I will be highly disappointed.
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: asylumseeker on November 24, 2016, 07:14:09 PM
Q: Who holds a meeting of this type at a Ruby Tuesday?

A: The TTFA.
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: royal on November 24, 2016, 07:18:12 PM
we will NEVER learn. Now we wondering who the next coach will be. The coach IS NOT de problem. There are other glaring things haunting T&T football and its progress. 
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: royal on November 24, 2016, 07:22:34 PM
Hart is also probably relieved  to be release from dis unprofessional environment and rejoin his family in Canada. Hope he is fully paid and wouldn't have to resort to suing de association to get his money.
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: chinee boi on November 24, 2016, 07:27:10 PM
Thank you Coach Hart!!!
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: Brownsugar on November 24, 2016, 07:32:52 PM
TnT vs Mexico July 2015.....Best Gold Cup game ever!!!  Thanks for that high point since 2006 coach Hart.....Godspeed sir....
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: elan on November 24, 2016, 07:36:14 PM
Q: Who holds a meeting of this type at a Ruby Tuesday?

A: The TTFA.


At 5:30 pm
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: R45 on November 24, 2016, 07:41:57 PM
We all knew that this was coming the day that DJW was elected TTFA president. This was literally an orchestrated coup by an incompetent administration and uncommitted players.

I wish SH the best for his next role, and I struggle to see myself supporting this team for the rest of the WCQ2018 campaign.
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: pull stones on November 24, 2016, 08:05:26 PM
We all knew that this was coming the day that DJW was elected TTFA president. This was literally an orchestrated coup by an incompetent administration and uncommitted players.

I wish SH the best for his next role, and I struggle to see myself supporting this team for the rest of the WCQ2018 campaign.
i was telling these members that the players had a hand in this but they thought I was silly for saying so, particularly Jovin , peltier and to some extent cyrus. Jovin and cyrus was staple players under DJW administration at connection and wouldn't put it passed them. Other players like Jan and kenny who suffered under DJW would probably never get called up again for standing in solidarity with the coach.

Here's the catch though, the federation has no money to hire a top caliber coach so expect a recycled local, maybe even Stuart fevere, I wonder if DJW was so result oriented then how us it that he never part ways with his long time st Lucian coach who failed him year after year after year?
Title: Re: The Kangaroo Court is in session for Hart
Post by: pull stones on November 24, 2016, 08:13:32 PM
There was nothing hart could do at this point mate. hart loss the dressing room and players stopped playing for him, the writing was on the wall and hart walked right into it.

you only have the players to thank for that molino, peltier, Jovin, mikel Willian's, Cyrus and Cato who all sabotage the coach by their lack of intensity. it would be sweet irony if the new coach came in and saw the tapes of those guys and decide never to call them up, now that would be a bag of laughs not to mention sweet justice.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: pull stones on November 24, 2016, 08:33:39 PM
Well Jamal you got what you wanted, hope your joyous occasion is not short lived. Now you and the ugly ttfa man could plan on your next move and ride off in the sun set, just remember that God don't like U G L Y hearted people like you and your boss.
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: Lower St. John on November 24, 2016, 08:49:07 PM
Steupes. I guess it is easier to change the coach than the players.

Thanks for your service Coach Hart. The 4-4 draw versus Mexico will be replayed many times.

Blessings
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: Trini Madness on November 24, 2016, 08:55:48 PM
I would bring in Dennis Lawrence

TM, respectfully, if I were Dennis, I would continue to enjoy and grow in my role at Everton.  No way I was dealing with such a banana-like run organization

I'd still go with him. Being a developmental coach at an EPL club definitely sticks out more than anything.

It seems DJW is getting his way now, something I was afraid of.




 
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: gawd on pitch on November 24, 2016, 09:01:42 PM
This man work for free, and this is the love they show him. One thing the TTFA fail to recognize, is that he has built good rapport with the team. Dont think the players will benefit from this.. So when does the WCQ for Qatar start?
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: pull stones on November 24, 2016, 09:07:41 PM
The better question is when is the next TTFA elections?
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: soccerman on November 24, 2016, 09:16:38 PM
Thank you coach Hart, sorry it had to end this way but you'll remain a coach I look up too.
So far the federation has done nothing right!
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: palos on November 24, 2016, 09:18:29 PM
Q: Who holds a meeting of this type at a Ruby Tuesday?

A: The TTFA.


At 5:30 pm

Happy hour?  :)
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: soccerman on November 24, 2016, 09:18:35 PM
Q: Who holds a meeting of this type at a Ruby Tuesday?

A: The TTFA.
Smfh...
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: palos on November 24, 2016, 09:20:42 PM
Congrats Deeks! All the best to your new coach
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: Bakes on November 24, 2016, 10:26:10 PM
TnT vs Mexico July 2015.....Best Gold Cup game ever!!!  Thanks for that high point since 2006 coach Hart.....Godspeed sir....

Best post-Germany memory with the National team.  The man is pure class... took the time out after the game to chat briefly with me, Scorp and Tenorsaw.  Not really surprised, DJW/AJW, same khaki pants.  Hart was not his coach and he made that well-known from jump.
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: Tallman on November 24, 2016, 10:43:47 PM
WATCH: Just a few hours before his dismissal, CNC3's Caston Cupid sat down with Stephen Hart in a wide-ranging interview. The T&T Head Coach spoke as if he knew his demise was coming.

https://www.youtube.com/v/8MaC6F6--LI

WATCH: The Trinidad And Tobago Football Association and Stephen Hart have "parted ways" following a meeting on Thursday between a specially appointed committee and the now former men's head coach to discuss the future of the national team.

https://www.youtube.com/v/z73LVMBsamI
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: FF on November 24, 2016, 11:12:50 PM
Look at them old dinosaurs exiting the feeding trough nah. Re the 2nd video
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: MEP on November 24, 2016, 11:15:51 PM
Q: Who holds a meeting of this type at a Ruby Tuesday?

A: The TTFA.


At 5:30 pm

Happy hour?  :)

nah must be the endless fries
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: ribbit on November 24, 2016, 11:48:12 PM
Q: Who holds a meeting of this type at a Ruby Tuesday?

A: The TTFA.


At 5:30 pm

Happy hour?  :)

nah must be the endless fries

is somebody birthday? ???
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: TriniUSA on November 24, 2016, 11:57:45 PM
Controversial, our players have talent???? What leagues are they playing in worldwide? Our "best" player is playing where, in the MLS? A garbage league!!! Really??? Bateau plays in Russia and Levi Garcia plays in Holland full stop. The rest play in garbage leagues !!!! All yuh getting tie up yes. I agree about negative forces in the TTFA but let we doh get carried away about talented players.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: TriniUSA on November 25, 2016, 12:03:23 AM
Dem jumbie and dem bringing Rene Simoes!!! Lol
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: ffisback on November 25, 2016, 12:05:30 AM
Hip hip hip horay hip hip horay hip hip horay Allah  bless David John Williams :beermug: ;D ;D :applause: :wavetowel: :notworthy:
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: TriniUSA on November 25, 2016, 12:19:29 AM
DJW and his criminal cronies Jamal Shabazz and dem finally get their wish. That is why corporate T&T will not put a cent into football in this country. They bringing Renee Simoes, watch this space........
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: MEP on November 25, 2016, 12:30:20 AM
My only hope is that the TTFA will rue this day just as those who voted for john williams.

Stephen Hart was perhaps the best thing that could happen to our senior National team in recent past.

In true trini small-mindedness there were those who sought to negate everything he did simply because he was one of us but not really one of us.
Yes he is a born and bred Trinbagonian but one who had achieved success outside. He was neither part nor was he anointed by any cabal and sought to do his job as a consummate professional and for that he was never given his due respect.

Instead it seems, like the vipers they are, were there laying in wait for him to trip and stumble not on his own accord but through whatever machinations they could have conspired.


Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: TriniUSA on November 25, 2016, 12:35:51 AM
Ffisback, you are Jamal Shabazz?? You are just a DJW stooge posting on this website. You should be in jail!!! Gangsters and criminals take over TTFA under DJW stewardship, and all yuh thought Jack Warner was poison, well DJW is just a poorer version of Jack Warner with aspirations to climb up FIFA membership on our country's back. From what I understand, DJW owe a set of people in Trinidad money. If his club is so great and he make so much money selling players, how come his team don't have a club house or home ground? Because he don't put no money back into T&T football, boy them is bandit.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Controversial on November 25, 2016, 01:08:31 AM
You have time with that idiot? What goes around, comes around
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: gawd on pitch on November 25, 2016, 06:44:12 AM
The TTFA better make sure they don't miss a payment with the new coach. I doubt the new coach will work when payments are late or don't occur.

Like what Bakes said, " Hart was pure class". I think those cronies in the TTFA was intimidated by a man with character and true qualities. They prefer men with "rum shop" mentality and characteristics.
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: Jumbie on November 25, 2016, 07:27:23 AM
All the best to coach Hart... unfortunately having you at the helm made too much sense.
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: Flex on November 25, 2016, 07:55:43 AM
Hart Failure: coach fired after poor WC start.
By Walter Alibey (Guardian).


National football coach Stephen Hart has been sacked. The decision was made by the T&T Football Association’s (TTFA) board of directors following a lengthy meeting at Grand Bazaar, Valsayn, yesterday afternoon.

After the meeting, the TTFA issued a release saying both parties had agreed to part ways with immediate effect.

Hart, who has been credited for guiding the team to a path of stability over the past few years, was yesterday asked to present a case to keep his job, following two defeats in as many matches in the final round of CONCACAF Zone World Cup Qualifiers, that left the team second from bottom on the standings.

But he appeared to be less than convincing, as the board soon after decided to send him packing. It is understood Hart has two more years on his contact with the association, which is likely to amount to a whopping $2 million.

TTFA president David John-Williams thanked Hart for his services and said a new coach will be chosen in the shortest possible time.

He has since been playing with the names of four coaches to replace Hart. Contacted on his choice yesterday, the local football boss said he was tired after two rough days of meetings and would conduct interviews at another time.

Only on Wednesday, the board had agreed unanimously to allow the embattled coach the opportunity to present a case for himself, following a meeting on Monday by the TTFA technical committee, which had recommended that major changes be made on the staff to enable improved performances.

These changes, it is understood, did not specifically refer to replacing Hart as coach, but also included providing more support in terms of advice. Contacted yesterday, Hart said he could not be upset with the fans for wanting results, but said he believed the team is still in a good position to qualify for the 2018 World Cup in Russia.

“I too felt really disappointed by the results of the team, but it is just the way the game goes,” Hart said.

After losing 2-0 in the opening match to Costa Rica at the Hasely Crawford Stadium in Mucurapo, the Soca Warriors went down to Honduras in their previous fixture last Tuesday 1-3, in a match that was surrounded by allegations that the coach used injured goalkeeper Jan Michael Williams against the consent of team doctor Dr Terrence Babwah and his assistant Dave Isaac, both of whom later resigned.

Hart has denied this and said yesterday he still believes the team can qualify with eight matches left, including two home games in March against Panama and Honduras which he said looks favourable.

“We have had good results against the Panamanians and we are at home so it looks good for us. We have also played the two strongest teams in the group early which means our chances are good,” Hart said.

Hart becomes the second casualty of the final round of World Cup qualifiers. The United States has also fired Juergen Klinsmann following a similar start to their campaign.

Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: KND2 on November 25, 2016, 07:57:10 AM
Hart did a good job with the team over the years but we in a results orientated business and the latest results have not been up too par.

Hopefully he can stay around trinidad football maybe work with the U17 or u20 teams because he is still the most qualified and experienced TnT coach in the world.

on the good side more time for old talk on the website
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: royal on November 25, 2016, 08:49:56 AM
last game Honduras..... AGAIN !!!    :frustrated:
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Trini Madness on November 25, 2016, 09:04:14 AM
We'll see whos side Allah is really on, to hell with you and DJW.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: soccerman on November 25, 2016, 09:18:41 AM
This new episode sounds very fishy to me....

It full ah seafood.

Like Ruby Tuesday have smoke herring and saltfish on the menu
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: soccerman on November 25, 2016, 09:20:01 AM
last game Honduras..... AGAIN !!!    :frustrated:
He should avoid that place like a plague
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: coache on November 25, 2016, 09:32:14 AM
Hart reached his limit ...results speak for themselves.

The question now is who will replace him? His replacement should be able to take the level up.

I don't see ANYBODY in Trinidad and Tobago who is capable of doing that.

NOBODY...not Dennis Lawrence..not Latapy..not Fevrier..not Shabba..none of of these

Is the TTFA serious enough to hire a capable foreigner?

There are very few foreigners who have the ability to take a Trinidad team to the next level.

The only person who can do that is no other than the 2006 WC coach.

I don't see this team going anywhere anytime soon.

This scenario  can play out in two ways but because it's my people I know that it will only go downhill from here.

So we will see the comical option being played out in the near future.

Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Tallman on November 25, 2016, 10:34:55 AM
Hart reached his limit ...results speak for themselves.

On the surface yes, but his firing is about a lot more than results. It just provides an added convenience to the TTFA.

Personally, I don't think Hart reached his limit, but you can only be effective for so long with the constant off-the-field issues and lack of support from the administration.
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: Peong on November 25, 2016, 10:37:06 AM
Good luck Mr Hart! Best coach we had in a while.
DJW not gonna be there forever
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: soccerman on November 25, 2016, 10:52:10 AM
Hart reached his limit ...results speak for themselves.

On the surface yes, but his firing is about a lot more than results. It just provides an added convenience to the TTFA.

Personally, I don't think Hart reached his limit, but you can only be effective for so long with the constant off-the-field issues and lack of support from the administration.
Well said TM!
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: Deeks on November 25, 2016, 11:39:10 AM
Congrats Deeks! All the best to your new coach


Breds, most of the time I gave the coach the benefit of the doubt because of the handicapped position. I have always said that the coach failure had a lot to do with the TTFA. Specifically getting friendlies to keep our team on the cutting edge. CR, US and Mexico always playing two games every FIFA friendly window. Sometimes the US and Mex. always finding time outside of the window to play one another. The always ready. After the two spectacular performances vs Mexico, there was nothing set up for them for the Haiti game. They came 5 days before the game and they were flat like a tahwat. Pooyah in we backside. Then everybody jumping on Hart. But like someone posted, there is no more excuse when you play in the HEX. Win or die. That is the nature of the Hex. Klinsman had 10 times more that him, and he got trumped after 2 losses.

It sad to see him go. He has nothing to be ashamed of. He did his best  with little resources. Find somebody else to pick on.
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: sjahrain on November 25, 2016, 12:11:16 PM
Hart of a man
Thoughts of you will linger.....and boil over if and when positive results are not achieved
Jah bless...keep your head up...or son of our soil
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: sjahrain on November 25, 2016, 12:33:53 PM
Well the Mafia has succeeded and moving on ....for better or worse...time answers all questions
Who will be next
Well even the blind could see from the beginning of the new administration,this was coming
The goalkeeper,goalkeeping coach and head coach disputed statements made by the team doctor and the coach still lost his head,this smells like a ton of rotten fish
This is a classic inside job
Big up my coach a man of real class
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: MEP on November 25, 2016, 01:08:30 PM


You're wrong about our players lack of talent, that is bull, our players are under stress and also underperforming because the power circle is setting to stage a coup...
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If we had all this talent how come we don't have players in the best leagues around the world. Guys cyah even make ah MLS team
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: pull stones on November 25, 2016, 01:08:45 PM
A member exclaimed that DJW was demeaning the coach in public for all to see and hear not to mention the away loss to honduras, we had to all know that this was coming sooner or later, the question is now who's going to take up the mantle.

If the boss hog hire a local then we all know he is on some serious strong arming BS, but if he goes out and gets a proper coach with more pedigree than hart then I could get with that, it's all left to be seen.
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: TriniUSA on November 25, 2016, 02:58:31 PM
KND2 all yuh getting tie up, Hart stay and be involved with the U17 or U20 teams? DJW and Shabazz and dem ent want nothing to with Coach Hart and if I was Coach Hart I would run as far as possible from this football administration and the toxic atmosphere present now because he will just be a scapegoat for the failure that's about to happen now. They have no money to get another Beenhaaker, they could not even pay Hart and corporate Trinidad ent want nothing to do with dem crooks.
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: Deeks on November 25, 2016, 03:44:56 PM
I wished Hart could stay and coach one of the pro league clubs. Defence Force would be a good team for him to coach. They have some good players but they underperforming with them years now. But DF policy is that you must be military to coach the team. So that eh happening. Then the next Team would be Rangers. If Fakoory can get some corporate sponsors, Rangers could be a good POS team. That eh go happen either. What next Mr. Hart?
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Deeks on November 25, 2016, 03:57:03 PM
Stones where is he getting money for a better coach than Hart. He still owes Hart 2 million. He still owes Kendall Walkes, Philips, Anton and some of the junior teams coaches. And in all of this Bakanal, not one iota about the women and women football. Take a slap, BrownSugar and Weary, and all the femal forumites. Is like the women doh exist. >:(.
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: Mose on November 25, 2016, 05:10:33 PM
I wished Hart could stay and coach one of the pro league clubs. Defence Force would be a good team for him to coach. They have some good players but they underperforming with them years now. But DF policy is that you must be military to coach the team. So that eh happening. Then the next Team would be Rangers. If Fakoory can get some corporate sponsors, Rangers could be a good POS team. That eh go happen either. What next Mr. Hart?

Doh worry about SH. Somebody will hire him based on what he did with T&T. If I  was Jamaica or SVG or some so, I would pick him up now.
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: Tallman on November 25, 2016, 06:13:34 PM
WATCH: Sacked Soca Warriors Coach Stephen Hart thanks his supporters, but says there's lots of room for the improvement of Trinidad and Tobago football.

https://www.youtube.com/v/vgeXTCOONTY
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Bourbon on November 25, 2016, 07:07:53 PM
So they gone and fire a coach...no replacement lined up..with a little over a month to go before the Gold Cup playoffs.


NICE.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Deeks on November 25, 2016, 07:58:57 PM
Nah, Bourbon, they had someone line up long  time. They were just waiting for the team to slip, so that they can drop the guilloutine on Hart. Unfortunately they slipped badly.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: coache on November 25, 2016, 11:07:25 PM
It's left to be seen who dey bringin..if is a proper Coach...then dat would tell me that Jack still in charge...
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: ffisback on November 26, 2016, 04:07:29 AM
It's alarming that S Hart have not been paid in 6 months and he is still owed 2 mill dollars I hope that's TT dollars that means these guys have no money and DJW now have to look for somebody who is willing to pay for a good coach there is no way a good coach will take that job if he doesn't know when he is getting paid.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Bourbon on November 26, 2016, 05:07:45 AM
It's alarming that S Hart have not been paid in 6 months and he is still owed 2 mill dollars I hope that's TT dollars that means these guys have no money and DJW now have to look for somebody who is willing to pay for a good coach there is no way a good coach will take that job if he doesn't know when he is getting paid.
Interesting.
What made you now realize this?

All the time you want him to get fired and celebrating when he did.
So that light only came on now?

Who going and be the coach? Fenwick? Latapy? Fervier? Lawrence? Yorke?

They eh even sure when Hart going and collect his wages far less when they going and collect theirs. And time going.

Is one thing to be laying in wait to remove somebody and looking for every chance to do it... Is totally another thing when you have no plan about what to do after that. If another coach was already lined up then that could or should have been announced one time. It wasn't. Which is another reason why this was a stupid decision.

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Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Thomo on November 26, 2016, 06:05:28 AM
It's alarming that S Hart have not been paid in 6 months and he is still owed 2 mill dollars I hope that's TT dollars that means these guys have no money and DJW now have to look for somebody who is willing to pay for a good coach there is no way a good coach will take that job if he doesn't know when he is getting paid.
Interesting.
What made you now realize this?

All the time you want him to get fired and celebrating when he did.
So that light only came on now?

Who going and be the coach? Fenwick? Latapy? Fervier? Lawrence? Yorke?

They eh even sure when Hart going and collect his wages far less when they going and collect theirs. And time going.

Is one thing to be laying in wait to remove somebody and looking for every chance to do it... Is totally another thing when you have no plan about what to do after that. If another coach was already lined up then that could or should have been announced one time. It wasn't. Which is another reason why this was a stupid decision.

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As much as I hate to see Hart go I wouldn't mind the duo of Dennis Lawrence and Fenwick. Fenwick seems to be a no nonsense tactician and Dennis has gained considerable knowledge as a coach at Everton. Plus with Terry being an englishman and Dennis profile as the man who scored that goal to get us to WC 2016 I'm sure we can woo potential players
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: gawd on pitch on November 26, 2016, 07:34:22 AM
The next coach will come from the rum shop DJW frequents
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Bakes on November 26, 2016, 08:21:25 AM
As much as I hate to see Hart go I wouldn't mind the duo of Dennis Lawrence and Fenwick. Fenwick seems to be a no nonsense tactician and Dennis has gained considerable knowledge as a coach at Everton. Plus with Terry being an englishman and Dennis profile as the man who scored that goal to get us to WC 2016 I'm sure we can woo potential players

Where to begin with this mess?
Title: Hart is gone
Post by: Tallman on November 26, 2016, 09:36:16 AM
Hart is gone
By Alvin Corneal (T&T Guardian)


This advice started when I was growing up. My parents kept reminding me to avoid snap decisions and study the details before making a judgment.

When I heard the news of the dismissal of Stephen Hart, the coach of the Soca Warriors senior men’s team on Thursday night, despite the numerous bits of unofficial rumours coming from the mouths of insiders, the decision was not surprising.

Now that it has occurred, we must ask ourselves questions regarding the next productive move from the head office.

Today, our national team has no coach, which means that all training sessions are placed upon the players, who are all residing in various parts of the world and are immediately wondering if they are still in line for selection or not.

Since we lost to Honduras, it has been 10 days that we could have restarted some type of plans for the March encounter against Panama and Honduras.

I suppose the search for a replacement is on the front burner, a decision which should take serious discussion in order to find someone who knows the current players at home and abroad, their playing styles, their behavioural patterns and their commitment to represent the country, which are features that often appear to be apprehensive to the naked eye.

Do we have any qualified coaches residing in this country to satisfy the greed for success needed by the “Technical committee”.

Our desire to seek foreign employees has been used in the past, most times without utilizing due process which is requested by our immigration and labour departments and laws.

Of course, the rules were moved aside and Beenhakker, Otto Pfister and a few foreigners who crept in silently, probably started their duties without work permits. This was a practice used even for foreign coaches to be employed by local clubs.

In this regard, I must hope that applications from anyone local or foreign, be requested and interviewed before making what will then be the right choice, based upon their qualifications.

Hart strengthened his desire with his experience which he earned abroad and gave his best effort to build a team with the bricks, metal and a confused mindset of human service, that was spread around the world and brought to him days before kick off.

Forgive me for having little confidence in the selection of the coach based on their knowledge of the limited ingredients needed for choosing coaches.

My next question is, who will be chosen and for what length of time? Remember, Hart was fired for losing two consecutive matches against two of the strong teams in the hex.

What if the TTFA seek the expertise of the Jose Mourinho, Pep Guadiola, or some lesser mortal like Rene Simoes or and others and they lost the first two matches in March, what will be our next step, taking into consideration, the astronomical salary which they will ask?

This means the amount of three to four million dollars for six months work and we still have to find money to honour the commitment for the next six matches.

At this point, I will dream of another plan forward after knowing the person who will take our football towards “ a methodical and beneficial route to the future”.
Title: Hart not surprised by sacking
Post by: Tallman on November 26, 2016, 09:36:48 AM
Hart not surprised by sacking
By Jelani Beckles (T&T Newsday)


FORMER national coach Stephen Hart said his sacking did not come as a surprise, but stated he does not have any hard feelings towards the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association following their decision.

Hart, who served as head coach of the national team for almost three and a half years, was relieved of his duties on Thursday. In a media release on Thursday, the TTFA stated that they, and Hart “have agreed to part ways with immediate effect. This follows a meeting held (hours earlier) between Hart and members of the TT FA Board of Directors.” “Well to be honest there were a lot of rumours around and people called and said they had heard this and they had heard that. As a coach when you have a couple bad results you always feel (you can get fired), especially with the history of the TT Football Association and their behaviour towards coaches. I think I am the 29th coach since 1990. It’s almost predictable,” Hart explained in a frank interview with Newsday.

Hart’s sacking comes days after national football team doctor Terrence Babwah and physiotherapist Dave Isaac resigned. It was reported in another newspaper that Babwah tendered his resignation due to Hart playing an “injured” goalkeeper Jan Michael Williams against the advice of Babwah. Williams has since denied being injured while Hart said he is still flabbergasted by the claims being made against him.

“We’ve (Babwah) always had a very good professional relationship.

I was dumbstruck on what I read on Monday when I woke up and can’t come to terms with it and I don’t know where it came from,” Hart said.

Does he have any regrets or feels any resentment towards the TTFA? “Not at all. I think under the circumstances and with the tools I was given, I did the best job possible.

I had a wonderful staff, they went above and beyond the call of duty. I was always grateful to the players because they were a fantastic bunch to work with and they endured a lot in order to represent their country.” TT have started the final round of CONCACAF World Cup qualifying on a losing note, falling 0-2 to Costa Rica and 1-3 to Honduras.

Looking back at his time as coach of the national team Hart said it was an enjoyable experience.

“Yes of course (I enjoyed it). We had some good moments and we had some not so good moments but that is the nature of football and it’s not for a lack of trying.” Among his achievements was guiding the national team to the knockout stage at successive Gold Cup competitions with TT even topping their group in 2015.

Hart said he plans to take some time away from football before he decides what is next for him professionally.

“They (TTFA) have made it clear I don’t have a place in TT football. We will see what happens, I have not sat down and take in all of this as yet. I will take a little break, maybe try and see my children and then start to think about that after the Christmas season.” Hart added, “they (TTFA) are moving in a different direction and at this moment I am not part of that and I accept that.” However, the former national team coach says TT can still qualify for the 2018 World Cup in Russia.

“I continue to maintain I think we have a good chance to push for the fourth position, even the third position considering the results that have happened to the United States.” TT are currently in fifth position on the six-team standings in the final round of CONCACAF World Cup qualifying with the top three teams qualifying automatically and the fourth place finisher going into a playoff.

In an interview on television channel Sportsmax yesterday TTFA president David John-Williams sought to clear the air as to why Hart was sacked. John-Williams explained, “we have zero points from two games. The results in the last couple of games has not gone for TT , including a loss to Martinique that would have prevented us from an automatic qualification for the Gold Cup, we have to go into a playoff. The results for the last year has been really disastrous.

We failed to qualify for Copa Centenario, we just barley made it against Guatemala, we got a hammering in the US and we lost at home to Costa Rica and away to Honduras. The results just have not gone for us.” John-Williams added, “I am on record saying that Stephen Hart is going to be judged by his results in competitive games and not friendly games. World Cup qualifying is a result oriented business and I am on record saying that Stephen Hart is going to be judged by the results on the pitch and the results on the pitch have not been very good.” The TTFA president confirmed that 14 or 15 coaches have been contacted as a replacement for Hart, but they have not narrowed down the list yet.
Title: Foreign coaches lining up after Hart’s firing
Post by: Tallman on November 26, 2016, 09:37:23 AM
Foreign coaches lining up after Hart’s firing
T&T Guardian


Local coaches are not surprised by the decision of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) to sever ties with senior men’s national coach Stephen Hart. Coaches Ron La Forest and Angust Eve explained that all coaches operate in a results-oriented world, but they have also expressed concerns on who the next coach will be.

Hart’s dismissal, among other things, has left concerns over who the T&T Football Association will employ as his replacement and whether they are financially stable to do so. It is expected that his successor could also come from abroad as the Trinidad Guardian has learnt that the TTFA office has been bombarded by calls from coaches from Mexico, England and Germany among other countries enquiring about the top position.

Hart commanded a salary of US$20,000 monthly and is due to collect a handsome departing package of close to TT$3 million, but TTFA is likely to fork out much more if it decides to recruit an international coach, said coaches Ron La Forrest and Angus Eve yesterday.

According to La Forrest, he believes the TTFA has the financial capability to hire an international coach as they receive subventions from the FIFA. “But if the TTFA appoints a local coach, I hope they will surround him with a team of technically strong local coaches such as Everald ‘Gally’ Cummings, Angus Eve, Anton Corneal amd me, to provide much needed assistance” La Forrest said.

Hart was fired for a poor start to the Final Round of the World Cup Qualifiers in which the team was beaten in its opening two matches by Costa Rica 2-0 and Honduras 3-1 which has left them second from bottom on the standings.

La Forrest said while he feels sad for Hart, he believes the TTFA decision was influenced by the USA’s move to sack its coach German Jurgen Klinsman for poor results in their first two matches also and while his overall record is very good, the World Cup qualifiers are most important.

“It is sad, yes, but the job is result-oriented, meaning if you do not get the results necessary, then you will lose your job. That is just how it is,” La Forrest said.

He noted the team’s losing results was a consequence of Hart’s defensive style which prevented the Soca Warriors from capitalising on their home games. Hart’s persistent use of lanky striker Kenwyne Jones was particularly singled out as a major blunder. He pointed out that Hart failed to utilise a more attacking approach and implement a plan ‘B’, adding that while the team was not outclassed by its opponents, it lacked the firepower up front to get goals.

La Forrest, considered one of the country’s most effective strikers, also believes Hart gave his job away by not maintaining the discipline and respect which he commanded when he took over the team.

Meanwhile, Eve, a former national captain, said Hart was a victim of a predictable style of football that became easy for opposing teams to get results from. He pointed out that while the coach did an excellent job in stabilising our game over the years, his career path is one that demands results.

He said, “Hart was not the TTFA’s guy from the start, which has been added to the fact that he has not won a Caribbean Cup in a while, not reached the quarter-final round of the Concacaf Gold Cup and beyond, he has lost two matches in the final round of the World Cup Qualifiers and the USA’s coach was just fired” Eve said.

Since his inception as T&T coach, Hart has led the country to positive results in 28 out of 43 matches, which comprise a second place finish at the Caribbean Cup and the quarter final rounds of the Concacaf Gold Cup. He also did well to take the Soca Warriors to the current Final Round of the qualifiers.
Title: Re: Hart not surprised by sacking
Post by: pull stones on November 26, 2016, 10:14:14 AM
Hart not surprised by sacking
By Jelani Beckles (T&T Newsday)


FORMER national coach Stephen Hart said his sacking did not come as a surprise, but stated he does not have any hard feelings towards the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association following their decision.

Hart, who served as head coach of the national team for almost three and a half years, was relieved of his duties on Thursday. In a media release on Thursday, the TTFA stated that they, and Hart “have agreed to part ways with immediate effect. This follows a meeting held (hours earlier) between Hart and members of the TT FA Board of Directors.” “Well to be honest there were a lot of rumours around and people called and said they had heard this and they had heard that. As a coach when you have a couple bad results you always feel (you can get fired), especially with the history of the TT Football Association and their behaviour towards coaches. I think I am the 29th coach since 1990. It’s almost predictable,” Hart explained in a frank interview with Newsday.

Hart’s sacking comes days after national football team doctor Terrence Babwah and physiotherapist Dave Isaac resigned. It was reported in another newspaper that Babwah tendered his resignation due to Hart playing an “injured” goalkeeper Jan Michael Williams against the advice of Babwah. Williams has since denied being injured while Hart said he is still flabbergasted by the claims being made against him.

“We’ve (Babwah) always had a very good professional relationship.

I was dumbstruck on what I read on Monday when I woke up and can’t come to terms with it and I don’t know where it came from,” Hart said.

Does he have any regrets or feels any resentment towards the TTFA? “Not at all. I think under the circumstances and with the tools I was given, I did the best job possible.

I had a wonderful staff, they went above and beyond the call of duty. I was always grateful to the players because they were a fantastic bunch to work with and they endured a lot in order to represent their country.” TT have started the final round of CONCACAF World Cup qualifying on a losing note, falling 0-2 to Costa Rica and 1-3 to Honduras.

Looking back at his time as coach of the national team Hart said it was an enjoyable experience.

“Yes of course (I enjoyed it). We had some good moments and we had some not so good moments but that is the nature of football and it’s not for a lack of trying.” Among his achievements was guiding the national team to the knockout stage at successive Gold Cup competitions with TT even topping their group in 2015.

Hart said he plans to take some time away from football before he decides what is next for him professionally.

“They (TTFA) have made it clear I don’t have a place in TT football. We will see what happens, I have not sat down and take in all of this as yet. I will take a little break, maybe try and see my children and then start to think about that after the Christmas season.” Hart added, “they (TTFA) are moving in a different direction and at this moment I am not part of that and I accept that.” However, the former national team coach says TT can still qualify for the 2018 World Cup in Russia.

“I continue to maintain I think we have a good chance to push for the fourth position, even the third position considering the results that have happened to the United States.” TT are currently in fifth position on the six-team standings in the final round of CONCACAF World Cup qualifying with the top three teams qualifying automatically and the fourth place finisher going into a playoff.

In an interview on television channel Sportsmax yesterday TTFA president David John-Williams sought to clear the air as to why Hart was sacked. John-Williams explained, “we have zero points from two games. The results in the last couple of games has not gone for TT , including a loss to Martinique that would have prevented us from an automatic qualification for the Gold Cup, we have to go into a playoff. The results for the last year has been really disastrous.

We failed to qualify for Copa Centenario, we just barley made it against Guatemala, we got a hammering in the US and we lost at home to Costa Rica and away to Honduras. The results just have not gone for us.” John-Williams added, “I am on record saying that Stephen Hart is going to be judged by his results in competitive games and not friendly games. World Cup qualifying is a result oriented business and I am on record saying that Stephen Hart is going to be judged by the results on the pitch and the results on the pitch have not been very good.” The TTFA president confirmed that 14 or 15 coaches have been contacted as a replacement for Hart, but they have not narrowed down the list yet.
DJW don't make me laugh. If you were in the result oriented business as you claim then you should have fired your buddy steaurt Charles fevere a long time ago when he crashed out of many CCL vs the said hondurans and Costa ricans in competitive game. Poor excuses.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: ffisback on November 26, 2016, 03:11:51 PM
Of the 2 coach's who names were mentioned Renee Simoes is the best choice he is write up there with the Panama coach but I believe the last time he was in TT his salary was 50,000 U S a month and TT did not want to pay that money I have never seen Terry Fenwick coach outside the Caribbean so I don't know if he can coach on this level but I have seen Z Vanes coach on this level and he has proven that he can hold his own with any coach in the Concacaf he to would be a good choice for less money.
Title: Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Controversial on November 26, 2016, 04:45:32 PM
Of the 2 coach's who names were mentioned Renee Simoes is the best choice he is write up there with the Panama coach but I believe the last time he was in TT his salary was 50,000 U S a month and TT did not want to pay that money I have never seen Terry Fenwick coach outside the Caribbean so I don't know if he can coach on this level but I have seen Z Vanes coach on this level and he has proven that he can hold his own with any coach in the Concacaf he to would be a good choice for less money.

Jamal, you obviously have no sense of the game and it shows... none of the coaches you mentioned is good enough or will bring results.. you and your cabal stuck in the 70s... set of dotish locals who insecure
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: soccerman on November 26, 2016, 09:49:55 PM
I wonder if crossed KM's mind that his indiscipline played a part in the coach losing his job as he missed 3 key encounters?
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: 100% Barataria on November 26, 2016, 10:20:46 PM
I wonder if crossed KM's mind that his indiscipline played a part in the coach losing his job as he missed 3 key encounters?

No way, that would require the ability to accept responsibility for one's actions.  His public statements seem to point in the direction of being the victim.  Only in TT we laud medicority
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: pull stones on November 27, 2016, 04:10:05 AM
I wonder if crossed KM's mind that his indiscipline played a part in the coach losing his job as he missed 3 key encounters?did you ever stop to wonder if he may also have played a conscious part in the sacking process?

 Not blaming the lad for anything but he was less than apologetic to hart, not to mention the remarks he made after his dismissal on Twitter where he mentioned about possibly coming back under another coach.
Title: Re: The Kangaroo Court is in session for Hart
Post by: Controversial on November 27, 2016, 12:07:11 PM
I predicted this from the beginning.... corrupt ttfa officials sabotaged our campaign..

People think it was Hart and the players, it was ttfa who came in and ruined our chances
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: Flex on November 28, 2016, 05:20:54 AM
Vice-captain Williams says meeting planned with TTFA.
By Garth Wattley (Express).


‘We let coach down’

The Trinidad and Tobago Football Association’s decision to sack national team coach Stephen Hart is not a popular one with the players.

This at least is according to vice-captain Jan-Michael Williams. And as they come to terms with the loss of their coach, the players are seeking to have a meeting with Association officials to resolve a number of matters.

In an interview on radio station I95FM on Saturday, goalkeeper Williams said: “I think we did let the coach down at the end of the day.”

And when asked about who should be the next national team boss, Williams responded this way: “Sometimes it’s not what you want, it’s what you need,” while adding, “if they (the players) had a preference, it would be Stephen Hart.”

Williams also revealed that there are matters that have been affecting team performance. “We have issues,” he said.

Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: Flex on November 28, 2016, 05:23:07 AM
Hart: Support Red Army.
T&T Express Reports.


Former head coach of the national senior football team Stephen Hart HAS urged local fans to continue supporting the Red Army team, while former Strike Squad skipper Clayton ‘JB’ Morris believes whoever replaces Hart would expose the failures of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) administration.

Hart made the comments during an interview on i95.5 FM Friday when he thanked the TTFA for the opportunity to serve. “I want to thank Mr Tim Kee (former president), Mr (Sheldon) Phillip (ex-General Secretary)…for the opportunity to coach the national team. It’s unfortunate that things were not running as smooth as we all would have liked, but the decision has been made,” Hart said.

He also thanked the public for “all their support. I will say to them, if you pay your money and you go in the stadium, support the players... Make the players feel wanted, all the players, whether you agree with the selection or not.”

Hart also had advice for his successor. “I had a very professional staff, the technical staff, the medical staff, everybody was very professional and I would advise whoever comes in to look deeply into those personnel; my manager was fantastic and to give them an opportunity to continue and to lend their experience that they’ve gathered over three years,” he stressed.

Meanwhile, national Futsal team coach Morris said the focus now turns to the person coming in to replace Hart. “The only thing to help us now is Jesus Christ!,” Morris said, before explaining, “I say that because I believe any top class coming in now will only expose the flaws of the poor administration of the TTFA and football locally. The poor administration more than anything has to improve, because that is what is contributing to the results which the team is experiencing at the moment.”

Morris added that salvaging the current Russia 2018 World Cup campaign will also be a huge task, but added, “I (am) always optimistic as a coach that once there is time on the clock, you still have a chance to win.”

Morris said, though, the challenge is that while the TTFA struggles to settle the coaching issue and while the team is going through a process of adapting to the new coach and his style, the other top teams are proceeding with their World Cup campaign in a more structured and settled manner.

“We are not like Brazil and countries like that who already have a system that is developed from all their youth teams. Now our players are going to probably be meeting up with a new coach with a different philosophy (from Hart) which will require a period of adaptation. The players will probably be a bit confused for a while and time is running out to our next World Cup qualifying matches (March 24 & 26),” Morris said. “I maintain that the results on the field are a reflection of the administration off it,” Morris concluded.

Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: soccerman on November 28, 2016, 09:24:46 AM
‘We let coach down’
In an interview on radio station I95FM on Saturday, goalkeeper Williams said: “I think we did let the coach down at the end of the day.”

And when asked about who should be the next national team boss, Williams responded this way: “Sometimes it’s not what you want, it’s what you need,” while adding, “if they (the players) had a preference, it would be Stephen Hart.”

Williams also revealed that there are matters that have been affecting team performance. “We have issues,” he said.
Interesting stuff.
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: Flex on December 01, 2016, 01:16:05 PM
Hart speaks out ...Says T&T programme not designed for success.
T&T Express Reports.


Recently sacked Trinidad and Tobago head coach, Stephen Hart, says the national programme is badly in need of an administrative upgrade and believes any success the national side achieves will be as a result of “luck”.

In his parting shots after being fired last week, the 56-year-old pointed to several areas in the programme which he said needed a more professional approach.

“I think Trinidad football needs to become way more professional in everything that surrounds the team—from a scientific point of view, from a travel point of view, from a logistics point of view, and just basic planning and funding,” Hart told C Sports Live.

“There's a lot that could be done and any sort of success you have in the present way that we work is rolling dice. It's really luck or fluke, as we would say.”

Hart led T&T for 3-1/2 years, but his tenure ended after the side lost both their opening games of the final round of CONCACAF qualifiers for the 2018 World Cup earlier this month.

They opened their campaign with a 2-0 defeat to Costa Rica at the Hasely Crawford Stadium here before losing 3-1 to Honduras at the Estadio Olímpico Metropolitano in San Pedro Sula a few days later, on November 15.

The results left them one from bottom of the six-team group; but Hart said he had been confident T&T could turn around their form.

“They (TTFA) were not happy with the two World Cup results and even though I had confidence that the players on this team, and with the injection of maybe a few new players... had the capability to turn it around, the association did not see it that way.”

Hart enjoyed several high points during his time in charge of T&T. He twice led them to the quarter-finals of the CONCACAF Gold Cup and also guided them into the final of the 2014 Caribbean Cup, before losing to Jamaica.

Under Hart, T&T enjoyed a good run in the recent semi-finals of the World Cup qualifiers when they lost just once in finishing second in Group C to the United States, in progressing to the final round.

Hart, a former coach of Canada where he currently lives, said he had nothing but good memories of his time in charge of Trinidad and Tobago.

“My staff have been fantastic. The players, it was a joy to work with them and really and truly, I just wish everybody the best of luck in the campaign.”

Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: Sando prince on December 01, 2016, 01:32:32 PM

'National program need an upgrade in professionalism from the administrative division'. Hmmm so when did I hear this before? Ah boy all meh life
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: gawd on pitch on December 01, 2016, 01:54:53 PM
Hart is being tight lipped. The TTFA still has to pay him. So he isnt "telling it as it is".

Title: No Hart
Post by: Tallman on December 01, 2016, 02:50:04 PM
No Hart
T&T Newsday


EDITORIAL: FEW CAN deny that Stephen Hart has been the best national coach since the departure of Dutchman Leo Beenhakker in 2006. “Don Leo” took this nation to the 2006 FIFA World Cup but Hart, two games into the final round of qualifiers for the 2018 Road to Russia, has been fired.

Winless and second-to-last on the table, Hart’s tenure at the helm of local football has been cut short after three years following a string of poor results.

In football, it is the manager that is ultimately responsible for the performance or non-performance of the team. It is easier to change a coach than replace an entire team.

There have been varying opinions on whether the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) erred in sacking Hart, seeking to jump-start a stuttering campaign.

The question though is whether Hart deserved more time to turn things around or whether another individual can weave a bit of magic as Beenhakkker did 11 years ago after replacing Bertille St Clair.

Hart’s achievements seem to indicate that he was the best man for the job. Qualifying for the knockout stage in back-to-back Gold Cups is no easy feat, neither is topping a group which includes CONCACAF powerhouse Mexico.

In his term as coach, Hart has registered 16 wins, nine draws and 18 losses. Eight of those defeats came this year and Hart will feel there are mitigating circumstances to explain those defeats. The indiscretions of players — partying when they should be in camp (Kevin Molino, Joevin Jones and Mekeil Williams) brought questions as to the discipline of the team under Hart. Molino was eventually suspended for two matches last month which just happened to coincide with the hexagonal stage of World Cup qualifiers against Costa Rica (0-2) and Honduras (1-3) which TT both lost.

The rise of attacking midfielder Keron Cummings under Hart last year eased the blow of Molino’s absence due to injury, and the 28-year-old, nicknamed “Ball Pest”, grabbed the opportunity with both hands. But Cummings would play zero matches for this country in 2016 owing to a gunshot wound to his leg suffered early on the morning of December 27, 2015, after returning from a boat ride.

Hart’s scouts identified former England Under-17 captain, John Bostock, as someone who would alleviate his midfield woes, but FIFA red tape as well as Bostock pulling out of the last qualifier against Honduras after finally getting FIFA clearance left Hart without creative central midfielders.

The 56-year-old former Canada coach has always been able to get results with little resources but looked to have been backed into a corner this time.

Indiscipline suddenly creeping into the team, failing to qualify for the Copa America Centenario competition, missing out on automatic Gold Cup qualification, beaten in the first two World Cup qualifiers, Hart was living on the edge and the TTFA has decided to pull the plug on his project.

It is interesting to note that several players have spoken out about their admiration for their former coach, feeling they have let him down by their performances. Their utterances only solidify the widely held belief that coaches are judged by their recent results. Against Honduras, TT looked lost especially in defence, which does not bode well for competitive football.

Down 2-0 in less that 20 minutes away from home, there was only going to be one outcome.

Against Costa Rica, the Soca Warriors appeared tentative and unwilling to take the risk of going for victory. Their limp effort resulted in a 2-0 defeat.

Although Hart has done tremendous work in bringing TT football back to relevance, the TTFA can hardly be admonished for feeling a change is needed to get the 2018 World Cup campaign on track.
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: palos on December 01, 2016, 02:55:05 PM
No Hart
T&T Newsday


EDITORIAL: FEW CAN deny that Stephen Hart has been the best national coach since the departure of Dutchman Leo Beenhakker in 2006.

Wim wasn't bad eedah
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: Dinner Mints on December 01, 2016, 04:22:08 PM
No Hart
T&T Newsday


EDITORIAL: FEW CAN deny that Stephen Hart has been the best national coach since the departure of Dutchman Leo Beenhakker in 2006.

Wim wasn't bad eedah
Wim bad talk we culture, so people doh like giving Wim props.
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: Deeks on December 02, 2016, 04:40:16 AM
Wim got the job when Jack was in charge. The  blacklisting of players by Jack for the GC right after the 2006 WC was Wim downfall. He never recovered. He was fustrated with the way things were going, and the unfortunate confrontation with LP, did not help either.
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: Mose on December 02, 2016, 09:39:14 AM
Wim got the job when Jack was in charge. The  blacklisting of players by Jack for the GC right after the 2006 WC was Wim downfall. He never recovered. He was fustrated with the way things were going, and the unfortunate confrontation with LP, did not help either.

Wim was a good coach who was able to get results with limited resources and I believe he got shafted by Jack and company. However, in hindsight, I think he was also an ass (see confrontation with LP, badtalking our culture, and waitress comments) which made it easy to get rid of him and will likely make it hard for him to be hired here again.
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: soccerman on December 02, 2016, 10:05:37 AM
Wim got the job when Jack was in charge. The  blacklisting of players by Jack for the GC right after the 2006 WC was Wim downfall. He never recovered. He was fustrated with the way things were going, and the unfortunate confrontation with LP, did not help either.

Wim was a good coach who was able to get results with limited resources and I believe he got shafted by Jack and company. However, in hindsight, I think he was also an ass (see confrontation with LP, badtalking our culture, and waitress comments) which made it easy to get rid of him and will likely make it hard for him to be hired here again.

But we like bacchanal so don't be surprised....
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: Controversial on December 02, 2016, 12:38:54 PM
Suarez is the front runner, has the most cred and success
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: grskywalker on December 02, 2016, 12:43:38 PM
i SAY TO GIVE TERRY FENWICK A CHANCE TO LEAD THE TEAM!!!!
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: Controversial on December 02, 2016, 12:45:24 PM
i SAY TO GIVE TERRY FENWICK A CHANCE TO LEAD THE TEAM!!!!

Terry is all talk... in fact he talks too much... his ego is bigger than his ability to coach
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: Tallman on December 02, 2016, 02:37:10 PM
WATCH: Who will replace Stephen Hart as the Soca Warriors Head Coach?

https://www.youtube.com/v/-v9U4HxSS5M
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: Controversial on December 02, 2016, 03:16:11 PM
WATCH: Who will replace Stephen Hart as the Soca Warriors Head Coach?

https://www.youtube.com/v/-v9U4HxSS5M

And mr dictator, why do you think all these coaches want to sign up? Short term money and ride out, take team to World Cup because of Hart hard work, and reap the benefits of Hart success or/and see the potential of our players and know they can qualify because of their talent..

None of the above has anything to do with you or your cabal..
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: Tobago28 on December 02, 2016, 07:30:14 PM
i SAY TO GIVE TERRY FENWICK A CHANCE TO LEAD THE TEAM!!!!

Terry is all talk... in fact he talks too much... his ego is bigger than his ability to coach

Controversial you have stated a FACT. His so called coaching acumen is only in Pro League..NUFF said
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: Tallman on December 02, 2016, 08:39:18 PM
WATCH: Who is Trinidad and Tobago's next coach?

https://www.youtube.com/v/1cjH9adn4DY
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: Controversial on December 03, 2016, 03:41:48 AM
WATCH: Who is Trinidad and Tobago's next coach?

https://www.youtube.com/v/1cjH9adn4DY

From the time dumb and dumber mention shabazz and fevrier, as their choices, I done know their football iq and knowledge for the game is sub par, limited... I don't have time to listen to that garbage...

These men oblivious or just plane dotish.. not one mention of the interference by the dictator and set up with Hart...

ITs about time ex pats run the ttfa, locally they don't know from their ass to their elbow and if they do know, they are corrupt

They should rename their show clueless tv instead
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: Tobago28 on December 03, 2016, 05:59:52 AM
WATCH: Who is Trinidad and Tobago's next coach?

https://www.youtube.com/v/1cjH9adn4DY

From the time dumb and dumber mention shabazz and fevrier, as their choices, I done know their football iq and knowledge for the game is sub par, limited... I don't have time to listen to that garbage...

These men oblivious or just plane dotish.. not one mention of the interference by the dictator and set up with Hart...

ITs about time ex pats run the ttfa, locally they don't know from their ass to their elbow and if they do know, they are corrupt

They should rename their show clueless tv instead

I thought I was the only one that think these two are clueless, their analysis is ALWAYS uninformed and flawed. I watched it twice this year and refuse to watch again. Not to mention they always make mistakes on the details of who we playing, when we playing and the names of players.
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: sjahrain on December 03, 2016, 06:14:54 AM
In the land of the blind...the one man is king
Man trying to pad they resume...well I did this and this...it was I who brought in so and so..while the on field product retards from whence it came...you can blame Hart as much as you desire...certain players deserve much more criticism...with barrels of arrogance being heaped on those individuals from right here,I welcome the statement by Jan and co saying they let down the coach and basically saying they will like a do over,as they figure they could get it done under Hart watch,something tells me it was not universal and so I wonder who did and who does support Hart...big question that
Childish games...a mentality from which it becomes difficult to grow out of
King Austin asked who guarding the guards...if the fox watching the chicken house...who watch he....ha ha ha
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: Controversial on December 03, 2016, 10:43:14 AM
The players should tell the ttfa they want Hart back or they striking... time to show the ttfa who's boss... most of them are not with w connection, this is where a players union would have made a world of difference, sadly nothing has happened to date, David john just allowed to get away with anything ...
Title: Re: TTFA and Hart part ways
Post by: d-pipe on December 03, 2016, 07:19:49 PM
So sorry to hear of SH's departure. The last few games were very troubling with their performances, and it didn't seem like he had an answer for it. Sqad needs to be shaken up somewhat and have a stable 11 soon with a few interchangeable parts when needed. Revamping TTFA is ah must, we need to get that under control asap, otherwise same shitte different ppl. Proper oversite is needed to make it run correctly. In my opinion.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on December 06, 2016, 01:00:13 PM
Quote
One of the things I've learned in the last two years was overestimating players' understanding of exactly what you want.

'You have to make certain that they themselves take ownership of the situation.

'In the last couple of years with England, we filmed the training sessions, we filmed the games in wide angle, and we started having meetings in smaller groups.

The goalkeepers and the defenders. The midfield players and the attackers. Sometimes defenders and midfield players. Sometimes midfield players and attackers. We went through things but we got them to tell us back what we had been telling them.”

...

“We will work on it in training but then I want the player in the unit meeting, when he sees fit, to say: ‘I should have gone out there; I should have gone quicker there.’ Or ‘I’ve gone too fast. I should have slowed down there. I’ve gone so quickly. That the guy’s gone past me before I can hold him up with the ball.’ That type of thing. We got the players to take ownership.”

--- Roy Hodgson

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/roy-hodgson-over-estimated-england-players-euro-2016-blame-media-a7457536.html
Title: Expressing Thanks to Hart
Post by: Trini-Warrior on December 06, 2016, 06:39:42 PM
There isn't a day that goes by for the last five years or more that I don't read this forum. However, my posts are few. I am moved however this time to make a suggestion. I feel saddened by the way Hart was dismissed. I feel he gave his all for his country and made several sacrifices only to be undermined in the end by those who have their biases. Even though I know that in modern football management, results are the bottom line and so coaches live and die by this, I think that Mr Hart needs to know that his efforts were recognized and well appreciated by most fans. Is there a way this can be done?
Title: Re: Expressing Thanks to Hart
Post by: injunchile on December 06, 2016, 09:27:16 PM
Excellent tread and I hope that we get a lot of responses. For what it is worth , he had us playing some good ball , we were competitive and we showed that we can compete with the best in CONCACAF . The two meetings with Mexico and the drawn game with the USA  opened people eyes that we are no walk over. I heard that he had lost the dressing room hence the results in the latter stage and coaches are judged by results. But thanks are in order for what he had done and the belief in the team and the fans.
Title: Re: Expressing Thanks to Hart
Post by: Quags on December 07, 2016, 08:31:17 AM
Well the dressing room has a new coach hope there happy now .
Title: Re: Expressing Thanks to Hart
Post by: Mose on December 07, 2016, 10:34:28 AM
Methinks SH will be back in T&T football in some capacity in the future. Either another trip as coach but likely as an administrator (Technical Director, Federation President).
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Mose on December 07, 2016, 10:38:03 AM
Was doing some thinking and it has occurred to me (and I said this in another thread as well) that SH will be back in T&T football in some capacity in the future. Perhaps another trip as coach but more likely as an administrator (Technical Director, Federation President).
Title: Re: Expressing Thanks to Hart
Post by: 100% Barataria on December 07, 2016, 11:45:25 AM
Methinks SH will be back in T&T football in some capacity in the future. Either another trip as coach but likely as an administrator (Technical Director, Federation President).

Care to elaborate?
Title: Re: Expressing Thanks to Hart
Post by: Mose on December 07, 2016, 12:12:57 PM
Methinks SH will be back in T&T football in some capacity in the future. Either another trip as coach but likely as an administrator (Technical Director, Federation President).

Care to elaborate?
Pretty much just speculation on my part, but:

Could we ask for anyone better? I think all he would need would be the financial backing to put together a campaign to be Federation President. I expect he would have a lot of local support. If he preferred the TD spot I don't see that happening until after DJW leaves or is removed from office.
Title: Re: Expressing Thanks to Hart
Post by: Big Magician on December 07, 2016, 12:29:23 PM
thats for sure...well done
Title: Re: Expressing Thanks to Hart
Post by: Errol on December 07, 2016, 04:31:16 PM
Thank you Mr. Hart, you did the best you can, wish you good luck.

Would have been nice to see Hart take Brian Williams position as Under 20 coach as Williams don't seem capable.

But then again, the TTFA is one big happy nit family and only wants people they can control.

Title: Re: Expressing Thanks to Hart
Post by: Sando prince on December 07, 2016, 08:47:45 PM

Hart don't let them slander yuh name, Like Benjai said 'they will FEEL IT!'

https://www.facebook.com/SocaTv/posts/1230559803685545
Title: Re: Expressing Thanks to Hart
Post by: Jumbie on December 07, 2016, 09:20:20 PM
Much luv and thanks coach.
Title: Re: Expressing Thanks to Hart
Post by: Tiresais on December 08, 2016, 02:07:47 AM
Sad to see him go - he really was a steady hand in some rocky waters.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Flex on December 08, 2016, 04:36:06 PM
The strain, the support, Molino… Wired868’s final chat with Stephen Hart as T&T coach.
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868).


“As far as I’m concerned, I’ve reached my second goal,” Stephen Hart told Wired868. “My first goal was to bring us back to a certain level, using the Gold Cup. Because for me, as I said, you always have to measure yourself in CONCACAF first.

“The second goal was to get Trinidad and Tobago into the Hex and in a fighting situation where you can push for a World Cup…”

The following interview with the then Trinidad and Tobago National Senior Team coach was conducted on Friday 7 October in Port of Spain, two days after Soca Warriors star Kevin Molino scored a hattrick in a 4-0 Caribbean Cup qualifying win over the Dominican Republic in Couva.

Three days later, Molino was axed from the squad after he was discovered to have broken curfew—for the second successive international camp—to party.

The Warriors lost to Martinique on Tuesday 11 October and the subsequent month was a surreal experience: England-born midfielder John Bostock was granted FIFA international clearance but made a late ‘u-turn’ and declined the invitation to play against Costa Rica and Honduras; Molino threatened to take a year’s sabbatical from the national team, changed his mind but was banned anyway for infringing team rules; first choice goalkeeper Jan-Michael Williams suffered a concussion during World Cup qualifying action in San Pedro Sula; and the team doctor Dr Terence Babwah and paramedic Dave Isaacs quit their posts after accusing Hart of not taking their advice on Williams—a claim that Hart, goalkeeping coach Michael Maurice, fitness trainer Tobias Ottley and the goalkeeper himself strenuously denied.

And, most importantly, Trinidad and Tobago lost at home to Costa Rica and away to Honduras. And Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) president David John-Williams sacked Hart in a meeting at Ruby Tuesdays in Grand Bazaar.

So, here is our interview with Hart that we never gave you a chance to read, as Wired868 strained to keep up with the startling events of the past month and a half:

Wired868: Alright coach, you said you used the Dominican Republic game to work on our transition defence and so on. Do you think they were a good opponent for that test?

Stephen Hart: I don’t think it really mattered [who the opponent was]. There are only three periods in the game basically—when you have possession, when the opposition have possession and the moment the ball is won or lost. So what [we were working on] is our approach immediately after the ball was lost.

Now I thought in the Gold Cup we had an excellent approach, we pressed quickly, we moved into either offence or defence in a good manner, you know. And I just thought a little bit in the qualification we kinda lost that—mainly due to concentration. In the St Vincent [and the Grenadines] game, we made some simple errors and we needed to get back to what we were doing before and our efficient way of working as a collective group.

Wired868: So, the last time we would have had that, per se, would have been before the Copa America Centenario Play Off against Haiti?

Hart: Yes. More or less. But remember the players were on strike [before the Haiti match] so the camp was limited from the very beginning.

Wired868: Alright, what would you say we learned from the Dominican Republic game?

Hart: Well, I think one of the things we learned is that when we are on top and we think we are in control of the game, we sort of take our foot off the accelerator, which is dangerous. Because if the quality of the team is one that can punish you, or can punish your errors… It’s not a good trait.

Wired868: So it’s not in our nature of our team to go in for the jugular and try to score more and more?

Hart: Definitely [not]. I have said that from my first Gold Cup with the team. You have to recognise when you’re on top [and] you have to know how to keep the pressure on [your opponent] when you are on top. And even when you’re down, you have to know how to hold out long enough that you could get yourself back into the game and let the team know that they probably cannot score again.

Wired868: Isn’t it a bit unusual for a team to be offensively shy when the captain [Kenwyne Jones] is a striker? Won’t the captain influence the team to play to his strengths?

Hart: Yeah, but the captain plays in a position that is highly dependent on the final pass. To me, it’s one of the parts of our game that needs a lot of work [too]. Because the quality of our final pass, in relation to the amount of attempts, we have only a five percent [success rate] which is very low.”

Wired868: Since you came in, you were always forthright about your team’s problems but progress appears to be very slow. How do you feel about that from on the inside?

Hart: Well, I think it’s a matter of not having the time to put things in place in the way that it should be and then you are dealing with multiple players in different periods of their [professional] seasons. (Because of the wide array of leagues that the team competes in, some players would be in mid-season while others are in pre-season or post-season at any given moment). So some players need rest, while some players need work, while some players are inactive altogether. So it’s a complex situation. I’m not a coach in Europe where everybody is more or less playing the same time period and we are not Costa Rica that largely has a team based in Europe and they can work on one time frame.

Mexico can have two teams—one in the Mexican League and one largely based in Europe. But we are scattered all over the globe right. And our very complex situation is compounded by the fact of course that our players don’t necessarily travel back home in a manner that allows them to at least get partial recovery on the flight. They travel economy, they’re crunched up, they have multiple stops. It’s not a situation where it’s ideal and some of the clubs do not like it at all. They give us a lot of problems for not flying their players business class, etc.

Wired868: Which clubs complain?

Hart: Levi [Garcia’s] club (AZ Alkmaar—Netherlands), [Sheldon] Bateau’s club (KC Krylia Sovetov—Russia)… And of course [Khaleem] Hyland (KV Westerlo—Belgium) is in a similar situation. They want to get their player back in the best possible health when he returns from playing for Trinidad and Tobago. And when the player jumps on the plane right after he plays a game and has to travel in a cramped situation, it’s just not done at that level. But as we explain to them, we’re not in a position to [do better] at the moment financially.

Wired868: Is this a priority in the near future even?

Hart: It was in 2006, it’s no longer now.

Wired868: Alright. You spoke about wanting to have a local-based team once you could put them into a camp situation and so on. What happened with that idea?

Hart: Yeah, it’s a possibility. But again you’re back to the time frame. We don’t have the money. And we are in a World Cup campaign, so you have to have a priority. Now, if you’re going to have a local-based team, in my humble opinion, that local-based team has to be largely made up of potential [international] players, who have the best possible opportunity of making the [full] team; or at least pushing for the [full] team.

So that means a huge portion of the team should be actually about the age of 23. So you’re looking at the future and then give the players that are at that competitive age [a chance] to fight for a position [and] to play some international games.

But it requires large investment. It makes no sense doing it three times a year; that’s nothing… You are looking for about ten games a year… If you’re going to develop a model for a team, you have to look somewhere along those lines. At least every other month, your ‘A’ team should be playing. And that is outside of your competitive phase of football… We don’t get anywhere near that. But if you are presenting a model for a top team, they play roughly about that, right.

Now because of the nature of the CFU, you are in that competitive phase almost every year. So you would have to say if you can get five or six internationals with a so-called ‘B’ squad over a period of time, it should serve them and the National Team very well.

You don’t need 40 players right, you want a core group of players that are going to make up your national squad and then you have those players that can push for selection. Having said that, the players need a lot of quality in terms of enthusiasm, passion [and] of course ability—that goes without saying—and the willingness to do what is necessary.

You cannot come to a national team to improve your technical ability, you cannot come to a national team to improve your fitness. It just doesn’t work that way.

Wired868: What opponents would you like for your ‘B’ team?

Hart: I think you have a starting point with some Caribbean teams in the opening phase and then you play some games against measurable opposition. You don’t want the opposition to be at such a level that you really cannot cope. So you go from the Caribbean teams and then you can play the teams that are CONCACAF competitors, so to speak. Like El Salvador, Panama and Costa Rica.

Wired868: For your local-based players?

Hart: Yeah. You see they will also play with a local-based team, because you’ll be playing on a non-FIFA date. You can’t take the FIFA dates to play your development squad. Let’s not use the word ‘B’ but developmental squad… You have to use the FIFA dates for your full squad… Those countries usually operate [in that way already].

Wired868: Then you definitely need co-operation from the Pro League…

Hart: Yes of course. That is important. But then again you have from May to September off [in the Pro League]. This is the only place in the world that footballers get four months off or more right?

Wired868: What do you see as the downside to playing against opposition that’s well above the capability of our developmental team?

Hart: I think it is just overwhelming. Any sort of building model grows in incremental ways. If you just go and you play a top level team, you put yourself in an unrealistic environment and for me that is not healthy.

Wired868: Okay, in terms of our ‘A’ squad. I remember that game in Jordan when we lost 3-0; and it wasn’t pleasant viewing. Then we went and had a great run in the Gold Cup. Did you really feel that positive after that defeat?

Hart: Yeah, of course. Let me tell you why. You land in Jordan [after flying] 14, 15 or 16 hours… We landed and we had one training session and then you go and play. I mean it’s not realistic. Nobody does that. And we’re not talking about flying on a charter jet or everybody flying business class. We’re talking about multiple stop overs right and the complexities of all of that—taking off your bags, loading them again, checking in—and then you step on a field and play a team that’s in a camp training… So I take the good moments [from that game] but I knew the team was going to die. Geez, I was tired on the bench, right. So it’s normal.

It’s like when we went to China. Players went to bed at nine and ten o’clock and they’re up at 1am [because of the time difference]. And then when we are training they are yawning… So you take the best out of what they do and you live in the real world.

Now for fans and [the media], they don’t care and the expectations are the same. Some people say you should be accustomed to flying by now but that is ridiculous when you are cramped up in economy for nine hours of flying. And you have to change airports and get their bags and put them back on; and then they feel you can step on the field and face teams who are properly prepared and rested, waiting for you.

Wired868: Do you think it is beneficial to take a game like that with all the disadvantages? Or would you prefer to stay in camp?

Hart: That is a very good question It is arguably better off to stay in camp and get some kind of game than to make that sort of trip. And you have to also understand that time period is the most difficult to get players focused because they want a little break from their long, long season. Because they know they are going to be away from their families for a long time with the Gold Cup, so they’re craving that little break. If you look at our results, that time period is usually never good.

As a matter of fact in my first Gold Cup, I think we had less than two weeks together [and] we played a little semi-pro side in Florida and they ran us to the ground, you know. It’s a difficult time period mentally for players and our players, in general, are not the best travellers. It’s hard to live in hotels, smelling each other’s socks and all of that all the time…

Wired868: Perhaps they should get some advice from cricketers who do it more than anybody…

Hart: Yeah but they’re allowed a little more leeway in terms of leaving the hotel and visiting the city and all of that. I mean we took the players to Jordan, eh, where you have so much religious culture… Christ was baptised in the river in Jordan, you have the Dead Sea.

So we took the players for a cultural education and it splashed all over the news that they lost the game and they gone out [having fun]. It does not make sense. It’s an exhibition game, the players are in a new land and new culture and you want to expose them to that. We didn’t take them shopping in a mall. We took them to see the Dead Sea and tried to explain certain things to them about the history of Jordan and its importance…

Wired868: Coach, as you speak of criticism, you are never shy of criticising the team as a collective. Is it that you are trying to give honest feedback to fans? What do you see as the benefit of that?

Hart: First to begin, I don’t usually say anything to [the public] that I don’t say to the players before. And football people are not blind. They can see. So I try to give an honest assessment. And it’s about ‘we’. I am part of it. I don’t separate myself from the team… Now I’ve been criticised by many for being that way. But, for me, what is the sense of trying to feed people bullshit when everything is there [for everyone] to see?

Usually when I criticise the team, it’s usually about effort. I can never criticise somebody who does not have the best game but put everything into the game. I grew up my children that way. Just put the effort in and, on the day, if it’s enough it’s enough, if it’s not enough, it’s not enough. I treat the players the same way. I critique myself after every training session, (assistant coaches) Derek King and “Barber” [Hutson Charles] can tell you.

Wired868: Can you give an example of you criticising yourself after a session?

Hart: Sometimes, I would say to myself you should have stuck to one or two themes rather than try to bring out too much. But that is always a problem when you, don’t have time, right. Usually in our training you bring out one or two themes for the session that we want the players to focus on. But then you [might] miss little elements. And you say to yourself, I should have been more demanding here or I should have given them more rest here so the intensity could be higher here. Because I always tell the players that their intensity can drop—that’s normal. But concentration should never drop. And when I make those mistakes, it means my concentration dropped.

Wired868: Okay. Some believe that when as manager you criticise a group, it allows the individuals who are slacking to think they can hide behind others. And those who are putting in the effort might feel they are being picked on. What’s your thinking about that?

Hart: I talk to my players on an individual basis all the time, so they know, they know. You’ve been [at my training sessions] and you see me put my hands around a player and I’m walking with him on the field. Sometimes I’m lambasting him, sometime I’m telling him how happy I am with how he’s responding to training, etc, etc. But don’t worry, the ones who slack off damn well know how I feel.

Wired868: Are there conflicts from time to time in terms of what you say publicly and what you say privately to the players?

Hart: Maybe. But I can’t concern myself with that because usually the times I criticise I back it up with video evidence…

Wired868: How often you have video meetings with them?

Hart: A lot. As a matter of fact, I remember my first time Cornell [Glen] said to me ‘coach, you should be a politician, you real like meetings.” (Smiles) But they’re short; usually 20 minutes long. We do a lot of video. We don’t just look at us. We look at the best teams and how those teams are successful, what they do well; and then it will go to us and show how we are a little weak in doing something. We do a lot of it.

Wired868: So you mean you will show Barcelona pressing and then Trinidad pressing?

Hart: We would show teams that we have to play against. We would show Costa Rica and how they defended at the World Cup and their effort (slaps hand) and their fight (slaps hand again) and why they got to the quarterfinal because of it. And then we will show us in similar situations. And we will show Mexico and the US. Because to get to the World Cup we have to conquer CONCACAF. What is the point of showing them Barcelona?

Wired868: Who edits those videos?

Hart: Me. Derek King and them can tell you, I’m up until 2am or sometimes 3am doing all the videos. I’m the IT guy. (Laughs)

Wired868: You must be cracking by now…

Hart: Yeah. I can make a movie!… I had [a video specialist] in Canada. You would list out what you want and the guy puts it together. And then you would sit down with him and tell him ‘okay take out this and put that in’. But I do it now.

Wired868: How far can this team go and what is key for us getting anywhere close to our potential?

Hart: I think this team has collectively—because that is the strength of the team—the potential to fight for one of those four spots. We would need a minimum of eight people on top of their game. We could carry one or two people not at their best. But no more.

We need somebody like Joevin Jones at his best. But not only when he gets the ball. He has to do what is necessary off the ball. If Joevin Jones learns to play football without the ball, he can play for a big, big club. Statistically, off the ball, he is in the minus. On the ball there is no arguing [about what he adds to the Soca Warriors].

Wired868: Do you think he has the ambition to play for a really big club?

Hart: You have to ask Joevin that. I won’t answer that for him, even though I have the answer.

Wired868: So are things in place for us to succeed and it is just a matter of our players being in good form and applying themselves?

Hart: Yes. We need to be in good form. And we need good support. Like being able to train in the best facility… Before the Guatemala game, to get one training session at the national stadium is not healthy. I mean come on. We went to play the US in Jacksonville. They had a hurricane [but] the US trained every day on the stadium. What they did was get the stadium maintenance to fix the damn pitch after every training session. But they trained twice a day on the stadium pitch.

We get one training session on the stadium pitch. They have to go to work. This is collective. The guy who cut the grass last night. They should call the coach [and ask] how you want the grass cut. That is what happens with big teams. We played Costa Rica with Canada and the sprinkler came on on only one half of the pitch. They waterlogged one half of the pitch at half time and all the players came out with the wrong boots. By the time you change, you’re down. Everybody is involved [in the team’s success in those countries]. Everybody.

Wired868: With the small crowd [against the Dominican Republic in Couva] what kind of turnout would you get with a developmental team?

Hart: Well is [the small crowd] because of location? Is it because of promotion? I know big, big football fans and not one called me for a ticket or asked me about the game because most people thought it was away. There was not enough coverage of the game and putting coverage on the day doesn’t work.

Wired868: We have played a 4-2-3-1 system essentially with sometimes a variation to 4-4-2. Will we see much else in upcoming games?

Hart: I am not one to complicate the minds of players and our players take a long time to adjust. I remember trying to work on the 4-3-3 [before the 2013 Gold Cup] and sitting down with [technical advisor] Leo Beenhakker and telling him ‘I don’t think I can make this work’. And he said ‘neither me’.

Because they take too long to process it and if you don’t play the formation at your club then it can be difficult… We dabble in it a little bit but I try to let the players have one understanding of what we are doing and we have some variation based on the personnel that we have.

Wired868: What is the benefit of having Beenhakker around?

Hart: For me personally, it was good because it gave me confirmation that you are on the right path. Because I said to him when we met: ‘listen if you think I am completely off base, then tell me’. And he said ‘I have no problem with that’. But after a while he told me ‘you know what you’re doing.’

He asked a couple questions: ‘Why did you do this?’ ‘Why did you do this at this time?’ And I explained to him and he was fine. But it is just somebody who has so much experience that you can bounce ideas off of. He never imposed himself on me at all. As a matter of fact, at times he told me ‘I would not do that’—I think I told you that story—but he would not impose himself.

(Hart made six changes for Trinidad and Tobago’s final 2013 Gold Cup group match against Honduras, even though Beenhakker warned against it. The Warriors won and, after the match, the Dutchman told Hart he had ‘balls like grapefruits’).

Wired868: Who would you speak to now?

Hart: I think my staff is very underrated and undervalued. Because, one, they speak their mind. They’re not afraid to speak their mind, regardless of how they come across. Two, both my assistant coaches and my goalkeeping coach analyse a game very well. Very very well.

So regardless of what people say, they have a lot of quality. ‘Barber’ is very low key but being a soldier and a leader of men, he will tell you in no uncertain terms [that] shit is shit; even if you varnish it.

Wired868: Do you feel confident about your ability to keep Trinidad and Tobago’s momentum going even after this campaign with the departure of a few senior players?

Hart: Difficult to say. I think we, as a country right now, need to take an audit positionally. I think if you look at certain positions it is hard to distinguish or say ‘so and so has huge potential’. We had young [Shannon] Gomez coming up [at right back] before he got a broken leg. But you need about two in each position and if you look around, there are a few positions where you have to ask: Where is the next player coming from?

Wired868: So we may have some transitional difficulties?

Hart: Or we may have some big surprises. (Smiles). You never know. For me, the big question is to ask ourselves how come all the other CONCACAF countries have players playing in big leagues and, when we were in the forefront of that for a while, now we have nobody. So it means something went wrong with our player development model.

Wired868: What suggestions do you have in terms of getting that back on track?

Hart: That is a good question and maybe we should have a forum for that. I don’t think I have all the answers. But we probably need partnerships with clubs globally and to pay more attention to the age groups from 10 to about 14…

I think it is unfair to just look at school football because it is two months, roughly, and it is a competition. That’s all it is. It is not a player development model. But it is a good environment. They all have training fields [and] support… It is a big part of the culture [and] it helps stimulate football in terms of the younger ones seeing it and wanting to play for their school and all of that.

But the model of development always has to take into consideration the whole. It is not a piecemeal thing. How do you tie everything into the development? Everything. Including the standard of refereeing. Everything that can help raise standards as a whole; not just [look at] improving coaching or the school football. No. Look at everything and how we can make football [run for] 10 months of the year (hits table), five days a week (hits table again) for the youth.

That’s what they are doing all over the world. That is not Stephen Hart’s model. That is what they are doing all over the world. I have been to study football, I am not boasting or anything, in over 20 of the top countries in the world. I went to Sporting Lisbon—Cristiano Ronaldo, Nani and all of them were there. I went to Milan academy. Ten months of the year, five days a week of training. And it is mandatory they do 40 hours of schoolwork.

That is what is happening in Holland, in France, in Spain, and in the rest of the world. So unless you can reinvent the wheel and you figure out some way that you can add hot water and stir—instant [footballers]—this is what is happening all over the world. I went to Chivas. One thousand kids tried out. One thousand! And they picked three. I was at Clairefontaine in France. Eight hundred kids tried out—under the age of 13—and they picked two. Those two would probably replace two who are on their way out. You get one year to prove yourself and then you are gone.

It is competition, competition, competition. (Slaps hand repeatedly). Now in Germany this is what you need to do but they guarantee you a full education. So if you want to be a welder or an IT guy, you get that [tutoring there as well].

Wired868: Is there sufficient talent from our 2015 Under-20 Team to keep us progressing?

Hart: The question is what are they doing now, not what they were doing a year ago. I was asking about a couple of players who were on that team that I really, really liked. But some are at Pro clubs where they are not playing.

Wired868: What have you learned that will make your job easier in rebuilding the team?

Hart: Once I get that commitment from above in how we are going to do this, then okay. I can only really work on the field. But outside of that, it is just a matter of finding the funding and so on. It is not for me to go to all the schools and the Pro clubs and so on. We need to create a think tank and go about it as a team…

Football has some fallacies in it. If you win, all is well and that is always dangerous. For me, football is a lie. You can play well and lose and you can play poorly and win. So you always have to keep yourself and your vision on a realistic level. Always evaluating and reevaluating.

I think we need to do fairly well in the Hex. If we qualify for the World Cup, then that is fantastic. But we need to give the Hex that kind of run that says: Look, even with the very limited investment in the team, we as a country have the will and the potential to go very far.

After that, it is how can we build on that and not drop the momentum and the level. Because I don’t think we will ever be consistent. We don’t have the population for that. So in the period when you are a little bit down, you have to not lose hope that you are eventually going to pop back up.

An example of that is Denmark. Their football was on such a high. It went down and now is coming back up. Holland are on a low now. And those are countries with massive [football] infrastructure. Massive. But we have a tendency to throw away the baby with the bathwater.

Wired868: What qualities do you look for in players?

Hart: Enthusiasm. First and foremost, you have to love football and be willing to learn. And, of course, you have to have qualities. Now those qualities might come in the form of technique, they might come in the form of aggressiveness. It might come in the form of intelligence, which is first for me. But you have to have that [athletic] capacity. Because football now is about running. You can’t fool yourself. There are very few Riquelmes now in football.

So largely, football is about everybody contributing on both sides of the ball and modern football is about running. I don’t know if you saw the Borussia Dortmund v Real Madrid game but I saw that game and asked myself  is it possible for a Trinidad team to play at that speed. And they played it at 90 minutes at a relentless pace. I’m not going to lie to you. I was at the Bayern Munich v Real Madrid game in the Champions League and I could not believe the pace of the football. I asked myself what are we doing…

I went to the Copa and watched Chile and I couldn’t believe what I was watching. They ran, ran and then ran some more. It was amazing… They have quality as footballers but the science behind them has built them to a stage where they can put that quality into the game for long periods. Some players can put out that quality for five, 10, 15 minutes, those guys have the capacity to do it right through the game. Outside of their ability, [Alexis] Sanchez and [Arturo] Vidal are machines.

Wired868: What do you see as your best quality as coach?

Hart: You will have to answer that or the players will have to answer that. I just try to be as detailed as possible and help players believe in themselves.

Wired868: What do you hope to achieve as coach?

Hart: As far as I’m concerned, I’ve reached my second goal. My first goal was to bring us back to a certain level, using the Gold Cup. Because for me, as I said, you always have to measure yourself in CONCACAF first. The second goal was to get Trinidad and Tobago into the Hex and in a fighting situation where you can push for a World Cup.

Wired868: And what is the third goal?

Hart: To go as far as possible in the Hex. If that means the top four, then great. But to go as far as possible.

Wired868: For the first time, you have had a bit of a backlash from the fans over the Kevin Molino situation. How has it affected you? Did it blindside you?

Hart: Listen, these are young men [and] it’s normal they try and get away with little things. I don’t think there is a team in the world that doesn’t go through this. It happens all the time. The thing is some young players had an error in judgment. But are we going to crucify some young men who have put up with so much—in terms of representing their countries and enduring so much—for a mistake? Have we become so hypocritical in this country?

[With] everything that is going on in this country, we become that critical of three footballers, three young men, that made a mistake? They were fined heavily for the mistake and hopefully it doesn’t happen again. But these things are normal… They are professionals [but] they are men. If you just lock them up in a hotel and say they can’t do this and they can’t do that, they will revolt. They will rebel.

I can name you hundreds in situations including at the World Cup with big, big teams where a lot worse has happened. You don’t condone it. You try to keep a grip on it and try to get the players to manage each other. But let’s not blow things out of proportion. They didn’t commit any crime, per se. They didn’t get caught drunk anywhere.

They made a stupid mistake. If it happens again, they face the consequences. But for me, it was dealt with in a manner that, if you ask 99 percent of the coaches in the world, they will tell you it was dealt with in the right way. And then if they continue to do it, of course you take more drastic action.

Wired868: How comfortable is the team going into the Hex with the rumours flying around that the coaching staff could be replaced? Are there any distractions at all?

Hart: Nah. I think the team is very supportive of each other. They are not going too much attention to that. Trinidad is a country of rumours. They have always had each other’s back. They will be fine.

Wired868: Is this the inevitable blip that will disappear with another good result?

Hart: I don’t know. I can’t answer that. But a lot of people who talk [about Molino, Joevin Jones and Mekeil Williams] have no idea of what a footballer’s life is like. You have men away from their families for so many periods of time and they come home and get to see their friends and their family and they want to spend a little bit of time with them… You want to judge someone based on one or two incidents and it is not fair. I think they are going to be okay. I talk with them and they know they have made a stupid mistake. But, believe me, I have made plenty in my life.

Wired868: And what about the coaching staff and the fact that jobs are being put to tender and so on…

Hart: I think things are more or less on good lines. We are just getting on with our business. we have work to do.

Wired868: But it would be better to have more security? For instance, your coaching staff does not have contracts…

Hart: That would be nice but does a contract mean anything in Trinidad?

(Wired868 and Hart spoke again, three weeks later, as the Warriors prepared to face Costa Rica. The coach had just announced a two-game suspension for Molino, after the player broke curfew for the second successive camp. He had already been dropped for a Caribbean Cup qualifier against Martinique, which Trinidad and Tobago lost).

Wired868: Did you talk to Molino? And would do you hope to achieve from the extra two match ban on top of the Martinique game?

Hart: I called him last week [and] I asked him if he wanted to talk about anything. I said I wasn’t calling to lecture him but I just wanted to find out if there was something going on or anything I could help with. And he said he didn’t want to talk about it.

I told him I applaud him for sending the letter [of apology] to [team manager William Wallace] but I am leaving him out for the next two games. And after that, it is a clean slate. He said ‘okay coach’… He wasn’t very talkative.

You have to understand that with Kevin Molino, it is never a question of if he can play football. He is 100 percent at training all the time. He is fantastic that way.

Wired868: Can you explain to supporters why curfews matter at all?

Hart: If you let one go, you will have to let everyone go and the rule is we have a curfew at 11pm when we are in camp. Listen, your country has paid for you to come home and this is the life we live. If you let everyone go [and do as they please] and they are getting back at 6am and we are training at 7.30am, you think their bodies can keep up with that?

I don’t think there is any coach who will let his players get away with things like that.

Wired868: Is there a discipline problem within the squad?

Hart: In general, most of the players are very good at respecting the team rules.

Wired868: Would you see the team is playing under strain now? And can you explained the poor results in the past year?

Hart: Physically and mentally, we are struggling. In 2015, we had a lot of time together [before] going into the Gold Cup and a lot of football people didn’t give us a hope in hell. But we had a decent run and that took us right through into the qualification. And then we had a lapse because we had some [off field] issues and we had a bad result against Haiti in a game that could have gone either way.

nd then, of course, we went into the qualification to get in the Hex and we played a very emotional game [against Guatemala] and then went to United States, who had an easy game in St Vincent and chartered two planes to be sure they had plenty of time to prepare for us.

We played a good half [against the US] and then we didn’t have the right attitude after that and we lost heavily. Now we have to go into a next set of games and hopefully we are ready mentally and physically for that.

Wired868: Rumour has it that you were not paid for months and the staff and players are not up to date on payments. Can you respond to that?

Hart: I think everything is okay but you would have to check with Wallace on that. I am okay. I am just focusing [on our qualifying games]… I do most of my own scouting reports and I have some people who have a good eye for looking things over on video. We also have in-house stats that have some video clips. They are not always the best quality but at least it is accessible and it gives a PDF breakdown of their passing.

I don’t want anything to come across as if I am making excuses. Now it’s just time to get down to business.

Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: soccerman on December 08, 2016, 07:47:24 PM
 :salute: to coach Hart, excellent read. It's a pity our administration didn't appreciate what we had, given the conditions they staff had to work with.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Tallman on December 27, 2016, 07:05:59 AM
WATCH: Steve David, Leroy De Leon, Dick Furlonge, and Larry Joseph discuss the firing of Stephen Hart

https://www.youtube.com/v/XK9lFMDfflw
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Tobago28 on December 27, 2016, 08:53:13 AM
Tallman

Thanks for posting that, very informative and love to see our elders in this manner.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: maxg on December 27, 2016, 11:52:04 AM
Boy, Steve doh put water in he mouth at all, and like he an he padnas gone rogue
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Sam on December 27, 2016, 12:38:06 PM
Boy, Steve doh put water in he mouth at all, and like he an he padnas gone rogue

Point Fortin Civic doing shit in de league, Steve David should hire Hart to help them.

Hart should considering going to MLS.

Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Controversial on December 27, 2016, 02:59:17 PM
Boy, Steve doh put water in he mouth at all, and like he an he padnas gone rogue

Point Fortin Civic doing shit in de league, Steve David should hire Hart to help them.

Hart should considering going to MLS.



What the hell that have to do with the relevant things Steve David reiterated, as well as de Leon?

Larry not informed on the undermining or the dictator and his cabal..

That's the only thing they didn't touch on was hart was undermined and sabotaged every step of the way.. which resulted in the players lack of performance and dismantling of the team

Good post, Larry and Steve know what they are talking about, Larry as well but he is not looking deeper, just surface level..

Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Flex on January 04, 2017, 06:35:49 AM
Hart, Saintfiet deserve better.
By Ian Prescott (Express).


Distasteful, disgraceful and disrespectful.

Stephen Hart’s departure from Trinidad and Tobago football was almost as devastating as Tom Saintfiet’s introduction.

It is not everyday you get a job where the boss introduces you around, pats you on the back and then at the same time tells everyone that you might be dismissed at any moment. It portrays a climate of intimidation and instils no confidence in others that you can do the job.

Such was the introduction of Belgian Saintfiet to Trinidad and Tobago at a Courtyard Marriot press conference on December 6, when Trinidad and Tobago Football Association president David John-Williams disclosed that the Belgian’s time may be short, even as he handed his new coach a two-year contract.

“I will also tell you this, that if he doesn’t get the job done on the 24th (against Panama) and 28th of March (Mexico), he’ll be looking for a job. And I make no apology for saying that,” John-Williams said.

To his credit, John-Williams did give Saintfiet his backing when saying, “We feel he can do the job for us.”
But to publicly declare that Saintfiet was second choice and selected because he was affordable, was humiliating — even if Saintfiet was only second choice and cheap. No one likes to feel second-best.

“Tom came out on top in so far that he was not our first choice, for sure, but then he was also affordable as our second choice,” John-Williams stated.

Similarly, the TTFA might have found a way to better show respect Hart for what he has done for the country’s football over the past three years with the national team. In modern football, nothing was untypical about Hart’s dismissal, although far too many times, a coach’s contribution and good service ends in acrimony and dismissal, rather than appreciation and a “golden handshake”.

Stephen Hart deserved better.

Should T&T be successful in getting to the 2018 World Cup, no one could dismiss Hart’s contribution when, under difficult working conditions, he still successfully got the team through a minefield and to the final round of qualifying. He also got the former “Soca Warriors” to consecutive CONCACAF Gold Cup quarter-finals for the first time.

More importantly, Hart brought back respect to Trinidad and Tobago football during a three-year period when he twice matched CONCACAF giants Mexico, drew with the USA and beat both Panama and Guatemala (twice). A pity though, he did not receive the same respect and support during a lean 2016 when things did not go his way.

Bertille St Clair was similarly removed, three matches into the 2006 World Cup campaign, following a 0-0 draw with Costa Rica. A day after being fired, St Clair was replaced by a “big-name” coach, Leo Beenhakker, who already had the reputation of coaching the Netherlands and Real Madrid before taking up the T&T job in 2005.

One remembers Jack Warner announcing, during an April 2005 press conference, that Beenhakker would replace St Clair and that former standout players Russell Latapy and David Nakhid would be his assistants. Beenhakker arrived and at a press conference promptly informed Warner and the TTFA that he would be bringing his own people, due to the amount of work he had to do.

Saintfiet has no such pedigree and one could surmise that was probably the reason for his less than stellar treatment when introduced to the T&T public. The character that Beenhakker was, he would surely have walked out on John-Williams that day. But for Saintfiet, ambitious to build a reputation from the ground up, humble pie might have been on the menu at several of his previous stops in Africa and other regions.

Whether Saintfiet is a step up on Stephen Hart is highly debatable. But as the man in charge now, he surely deserves the chance to succeed and therefore enjoy the support of all. If Saintfiet succeeds, everyone will fall in love with the Belgian, conveniently forgetting his humble coaching beginnings.

Saintfiet describes himself as ambitious, with a decent track record and lots of experience. He is desperate to become a World Cup coach and makes no pretence of being elite, having travelled the hard road to build his coaching profile after a moderate professional career that ended early, due to injury.

“I was not Ruud Gullit or Diego Maradona, so I couldn’t start with Holland or Argentina,” he said. “It is easier to work with a good federation and good clubs with good players than on lower level where most of the times, things are not well organised.”

And having been to stops like Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, Ethiopia and Yemen, he is probably immune to some of what was already dished out by the TTFA.

“This contract is hopefully till Russia 2018, because it means that we are there,” Saintfiet said. “And as a coach, if you fail in your duties, the president (John-Williams) announced it already, and if we don’t get decent results against Panama and Mexico, then it could already be goodbye by then. But, I understand that.”

As he gets his first taste of serious action against Suriname this evening, Saintfiet will hope that he can earn the respect he needs to succeed in this job with a positive result.

Title: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: kounty on January 08, 2017, 06:41:36 PM
Simple. John Williams have to be hounded with questions. The team looks terrible structurally & tactically. We have to force him to say he made a mistake & give back the man he job. As kenwyn said, we not making the World Cup without Hart.
Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: gawd on pitch on January 08, 2017, 06:51:35 PM
This thread long overdue. I think some of the 1st team guys are still loyal to Hart. Perhaps some of these guys are quietly boycotting the team. Well then again I don't know. All I know is that Kenwyne is right about that one.
Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: Sando prince on January 08, 2017, 07:27:55 PM
Pointless if he is re-hired under the current TTFA leadership. He will not have the full TTFA support which he will need...but then again the current TTFA is inefficient at their job, and this will negatively affect Hart vision for the team
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Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: soccerman on January 08, 2017, 08:02:19 PM
Hart ain coming back for this crap. As much as I will like to see Hart involved in our football, this administration has to go first!
Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: pull stones on January 08, 2017, 08:37:13 PM
Simple. John Williams have to be hounded with questions. The team looks terrible structurally & tactically. We have to force him to say he made a mistake & give back the man he job. As kenwyn said, we not making the World Cup without Hart.
that and a green eyed elephant you will never see. i do agree that hart has what it takes to get us to the wc but he needs help organizing that defensive line and the goal keepers. without that we will continue to concede in every competitive game.

by the way i believe that the first teamers don't want to play for tt any more since this new coach was installed.
Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: Peong on January 08, 2017, 09:19:40 PM
Agree. Hart has to come back at some point. I believe he will be back,is just the timing to be worked out.
Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: Deeks on January 08, 2017, 11:10:59 PM
Why should SH come back to coach. Unwanted by the tiffa admin. Back stabbed by the team doctor and some of the players. Is a bobolee or what?
Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: Controversial on January 09, 2017, 03:11:33 AM
Get rid of the dictator and his shithounds and SH will return, but don't be sad certain players never play again, and rightfully so..
Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: sjahrain on January 09, 2017, 04:24:56 AM
To drink from the poisoned chalice ....Again....Madness that
That's like  painting rotting wood
The current leadership or lack there off has to go
Forget Russia a bridge to far at this point the damage has already been executed
Shameless ungrateful vindictive now let the rats turn on each other,they wanted it they have it all,let's now see who they try and pin this debacle on...I waiting to so see if they will own it ..Don't think so
See the robbers passing by...I will not shed a feat for those nincompoops....
Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: Mose on January 09, 2017, 09:31:35 AM
Thanks for starting this thread kounty. As another poster said, long overdue.

Get rid of the dictator and his shithounds and SH will return, but don't be sad certain players never play again, and rightfully so..

Agreed, but that eh happening anytime soon.
Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: Controversial on January 09, 2017, 05:56:17 PM
Thanks for starting this thread kounty. As another poster said, long overdue.

Get rid of the dictator and his shithounds and SH will return, but don't be sad certain players never play again, and rightfully so..

Agreed, but that eh happening anytime soon.

Why would it, everybody in the dictator pocket, so who you think they re electing for the next 7 years
Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: ribbit on January 09, 2017, 08:17:06 PM
if djw ready to spend money on a coach, in particular if he free up the purse strings a bit, Hart will have challengers. "what is de budget?" I feel should be the first question.
Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: Controversial on January 09, 2017, 09:41:21 PM
if djw ready to spend money on a coach, in particular if he free up the purse strings a bit, Hart will have challengers. "what is de budget?" I feel should be the first question.

They won't tell us the budget, it's a secret, I've already asked is question ....

Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: ribbit on January 10, 2017, 11:54:41 AM
if djw ready to spend money on a coach, in particular if he free up the purse strings a bit, Hart will have challengers. "what is de budget?" I feel should be the first question.

They won't tell us the budget, it's a secret, I've already asked is question ....



contro, we know saintfiet not getting paid much. i'm not asking about the current budget. i'm asking about when djw want to start spending what that budget will be for a head coach. if the dictator decide is time to spend money, what kind of coach that could bring.

if he thinks he can continue to limp and still make any improvements in the coaching, that is a contradiction. then it will be a string of coaches of the same quality as saintfiet.

just like jai john said in the other thread - cheep ting no good and good ting no cheep -  :)
Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: Controversial on January 10, 2017, 01:16:57 PM
if djw ready to spend money on a coach, in particular if he free up the purse strings a bit, Hart will have challengers. "what is de budget?" I feel should be the first question.

They won't tell us the budget, it's a secret, I've already asked is question ....



contro, we know saintfiet not getting paid much. i'm not asking about the current budget. i'm asking about when djw want to start spending what that budget will be for a head coach. if the dictator decide is time to spend money, what kind of coach that could bring.

if he thinks he can continue to limp and still make any improvements in the coaching, that is a contradiction. then it will be a string of coaches of the same quality as saintfiet.

just like jai john said in the other thread - cheep ting no good and good ting no cheep -  :)

Exactly what I'm talking about, he won't divulge that info like I said above.. no one knows what SANTHIEF is getting paid, it's all speculation
Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: ZANDOLIE on January 11, 2017, 10:30:41 AM
Stephen Hart must be shaking his head in disgust right now. Or laughing his ass off.
Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: palos on January 11, 2017, 11:11:13 AM
Stephen Hart must be shaking his head in disgust right now. Or laughing his ass off.

Nobody laughing bro.  Certainly not anyone that really cares about T&T football
Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: Coach on January 11, 2017, 11:47:09 AM
DJW never gave Hart the financial support to properly prepare the team. DJW goal was to remove Hart from day one and was only waiting for an opening to have an excuse to remove heart.

The 3 years Hart was in charge he did a good job and if TTFA had a president that supported Hart our football will not be in such a mess but instead it would be looking positive for the upcoming games.

DJW should resign, a new president comes in and bring back Hart, gave him the support to continue his job to get TT to Russia, It's our only hope at this time.

Hart has learned a lot about our player pool over the 3 years, we should not let that go to waste and anyone who has knowledge about football (which unfortunately there are not many this is why our football is in a mess) will know Hart is our best hope to get us to Russia.
Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: kounty on January 11, 2017, 12:30:09 PM
We need: 1) interviews of the voting committee members
2) a proven defensive assistant coach ala Wim Rijsbergen
3) hart back
4) either the resignation of DJW & board or explicit full & complete public backing of above.

Otherwise save everybody time & money & withdraw from hex.


http://youtube.com/v/YZnKHe3BL1E
Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: Deeks on January 11, 2017, 01:55:22 PM
The only way Stephen Hart would be back is if DJW is gone. I can't see how he can walk back in after the disrespect and stabbed in the back.
Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: Controversial on January 11, 2017, 02:13:47 PM
People are too easily bought in Trinidad... morality is at an all time low in the nation..

The dictator bought his support, he's corrupt and the people who voted, the majority are also easily bought..

Trinidad has the talent to go very far but if we keep empowering sell outs who have no self respect or love for their nation and football we will be back to square one..

Ah sell out is ah sell out...
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on January 12, 2017, 05:45:29 AM
Reconsidering Stephen Hart post-Saintfiet
By Chambi Sey, SWN.


In the context of post-Saintfiet deliberations at the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA), serious consideration should be given to restoring Stephen Hart to the head coaching position. It is likely that Hart has used the interval away from the role to evaluate, reflect and structure or restructure his thoughts regarding what worked, what did not work, and what will not work in attempting to qualify for Russia 2018. Not to have so reflected would defy natural human tendency.

With World Cup qualifying returning in a mere 70 days, and the national programme having squandered four valuable weeks of what would have been fourteen preparatory weeks, the federation’s focus should be consumed with what is best for national football, rather than with what could be best for national football.

Certainly, a new period of management and coaching experimentation does not fall into the former category. Even if FIFA 2017 financial disbursement renders Phillipe Troussier – the originally preferred choice to the departing Saintfiet – affordable, the operational calendar of international football and player development priorities render such a choice indulgent and profligate. Alternatively, some putative candidates for the job, from within the marketplace of domestic football, would suffer from the obstacle of having to surmount tactical naivete within the limited period available before March 24, 2017. Trinidad and Tobago football is not short of tragicomic moments, but it is short of Bruce Arenas.

Saintfiet’s departure presents the opportunity to marginalise emotion, and displace ego and hubris, with injections of common sense, reason and practicality. Although not devoid of error during his tenure, Hart unquestionably invested in the senior team programme, and possesses the professional maturity to move forward in the national interest, without wallowing in the hindrances of the several misadventures of recent weeks. The leadership of the TTFA is encouraged to demonstrate a similarly mature competency.

Hart knows the landscape, holds the coaching capital to resuscitate the interest of foreign-born players, has renewed motivation and incentive to achieve with Trinidad and Tobago, and possesses a sufficient record to consolidate and defend reconsideration. On a rationally supportable basis, the TTFA could have extended Hart a probationary period that culminated with the recently-concluded CFU Men’s Caribbean Cup 5th Place Playoff series versus Suriname and Haiti. It would have been an opportunity to right the failure to qualify directly for the Gold Cup and to iron out elements of play prior to hosting Panama and Mexico. Had that been the case, not many supporters of the game would have taken issue with a dismissal of Hart had outcomes versus Nicaragua, Suriname and Haiti produced results and approximations in performance consistent with those obtained under Saintfiet.

As such, the present crossroad requires doses of goodwill, grace, honesty, humility, introspection, statesmanship and transparency by the TTFA. Pursuing those paths, rather than another cul-de-sac of expediency, is what the national community wants of the federation, and what international observers of Trinidad and Tobago football ought to be identifying as mirrors of good governance and decision-
making in the projection of the global image of the TTFA.

Permitting Stephen Hart the opportunity and respect to redefine and restore his legacy appears consistent with public sentiment. That sentiment suggests that the footballing public is positioned to live with the outcomes of a Hart “do-over”, rather than to float through a new cycle of faecal experimentation. Ultimately, whatever the decision made in manager selection, it will be entered into an audit of the legacy and future of the present federation directorate. The choice does not have to be Hart, but it must be unquestioningly credible and immediately viable.

Take that to the bank.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Thomo on January 12, 2017, 06:09:11 AM
Reconsidering Stephen Hart post-Saintfiet
By Chambi Sey, SWN.


In the context of post-Saintfiet deliberations at the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA), serious consideration should be given to restoring Stephen Hart to the head coaching position. It is likely that Hart has used the interval away from the role to evaluate, reflect and structure or restructure his thoughts regarding what worked, what did not work, and what will not work in attempting to qualify for Russia 2018. Not to have so reflected would defy natural human tendency.

With World Cup qualifying returning in a mere 70 days, and the national programme having squandered four valuable weeks of what would have been fourteen preparatory weeks, the federation’s focus should be consumed with what is best for national football, rather than with what could be best for national football.

Certainly, a new period of management and coaching experimentation does not fall into the former category. Even if FIFA 2017 financial disbursement renders Phillipe Troussier – the originally preferred choice to the departing Saintfiet – affordable, the operational calendar of international football and player development priorities render such a choice indulgent and profligate. Alternatively, some putative candidates for the job, from within the marketplace of domestic football, would suffer from the obstacle of having to surmount tactical naivete within the limited period available before March 24, 2017. Trinidad and Tobago football is not short of tragicomic moments, but it is short of Bruce Arenas.

Saintfiet’s departure presents the opportunity to marginalise emotion, and displace ego and hubris, with injections of common sense, reason and practicality. Although not devoid of error during his tenure, Hart unquestionably invested in the senior team programme, and possesses the professional maturity to move forward in the national interest, without wallowing in the hindrances of the several misadventures of recent weeks. The leadership of the TTFA is encouraged to demonstrate a similarly mature competency.

Hart knows the landscape, holds the coaching capital to resuscitate the interest of foreign-born players, has renewed motivation and incentive to achieve with Trinidad and Tobago, and possesses a sufficient record to consolidate and defend reconsideration. On a rationally supportable basis, the TTFA could have extended Hart a probationary period that culminated with the recently-concluded CFU Men’s Caribbean Cup 5th Place Playoff series versus Suriname and Haiti. It would have been an opportunity to right the failure to qualify directly for the Gold Cup and to iron out elements of play prior to hosting Panama and Mexico. Had that been the case, not many supporters of the game would have taken issue with a dismissal of Hart had outcomes versus Nicaragua, Suriname and Haiti produced results and approximations in performance consistent with those obtained under Saintfiet.

As such, the present crossroad requires doses of goodwill, grace, honesty, humility, introspection, statesmanship and transparency by the TTFA. Pursuing those paths, rather than another cul-de-sac of expediency, is what the national community wants of the federation, and what international observers of Trinidad and Tobago football ought to be identifying as mirrors of good governance and decision-
making in the projection of the global image of the TTFA.

Permitting Stephen Hart the opportunity and respect to redefine and restore his legacy appears consistent with public sentiment. That sentiment suggests that the footballing public is positioned to live with the outcomes of a Hart “do-over”, rather than to float through a new cycle of faecal experimentation. Ultimately, whatever the decision made in manager selection, it will be entered into an audit of the legacy and future of the present federation directorate. The choice does not have to be Hart, but it must be unquestioningly credible and immediately viable.

Take that to the bank.

I hope DJW or one of the members of his inner reads this and returns Hart to the helm. The country and its fans demand it! The stadium will be filled with the 12th man and the players with renewed vigor to give their all!! Do de damn ting!
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: sjahrain on January 12, 2017, 09:21:52 AM
I had reservations
But this has much logic to it
The question which begs itself here is does the current administration and lack of leadership have the courage to do the right thing....The other question is Hart brave enough to accept....Get yourself a great lawyer to rep you on this go around if it comes to pass
Bless up
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Mose on January 12, 2017, 11:03:33 AM
I bellieve he is brave enough, and should he accept he would have the upper hand in the relationship between him and the TTFA.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Controversial on January 12, 2017, 11:09:49 AM
I bellieve he is brave enough, and should he accept he would have the upper hand in the relationship between him and the TTFA.

Once a dictator always a dictator... sociopaths don't apologize and admit they're wrong... Hart will not be called back and he should only come back if that corrupt tyrant is gone with his idiot followers
Title: Players calling for Hart, Fenwick, Fevrier and Eve in their short list...
Post by: Controversial on January 13, 2017, 01:15:14 AM
I'm surprised that Fevrier is on that list, would never make mine to be honest..

Eve is a surprise to me as an asst... Hart of course is first but Lasana is his article said they are on the fence about fenwick and fevrier ...

The ttfa under the dictator will not bring back Hart nor will they appoint a talker like fenwick who I don't believe in either..

So the Lucian looks like he will lead the team under the heavy manners of the dictator ...

Either way it is going according to the Dictators plan of sabotage...
Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: asylumseeker on January 13, 2017, 08:51:47 AM
Communication from T&T National Team Players to the Trinidad & Tobago Football Association (TTFA).*

Good day Members of the TTFA,

We hope this message meets you all in good health and spirits.

We, the players, come to you with utmost humility, asking for your consideration with regards to the selection of a new coach for the National Men’s Senior Team. We have accumulated a list of four names for special and serious consideration for the position of Head Coach and Assistant Coach.

We KNOW it is not our decision to make, neither is it our place to make such demands, but we—23 current players—have pooled our knowledge, resources and ideas together to come up with a few names for your immediate consideration.

We can all agree that we the players have interacted with these names at some level, so we can safely say our knowledge can be used in this regard. We pledge our full support regardless of who is selected to the position, even if it a person or persons outside of this list, as we know that we the players play an integral part in helping the team to qualify for the 2018 World Cup.

We also ask that we be treated without prejudice, neither for the composition of this list nor for allowing it into the hands of the media, as we believe it will be treated with the seriousness it requires when we do so. The list is as follows:

Head coaches for consideration:

Stephen Hart
Stuart Charles-Fevrier
Terry Fenwick
Angus Eve (Assistant Coach)

We would also like that the duo of Dr Terrence Babwah and Dave Isaac be replaced with IMMEDIATE EFFECT, because of the lack of trust that we the players have in them.

We look forward to working with you—the Federation—hand in hand to reach our goal, which is qualification for the 2018 World Cup.

*As reported on Wired868.
Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: trini_stallion on January 13, 2017, 09:18:05 AM
Hart not coming back...he have way more class and self respect than that. Ruby Tuesday??? DJW IS AH IMPSE...also DJW dont want any challenges, so that rule out fenwick...now fevrier has brought some success to connection...does DJW take that gamble...maybe sour things with fevrier if the campaign flop and lose out on the progress he has made at connection??

According to flex...being de popcorn!
Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: Deeks on January 13, 2017, 10:01:21 AM
The players want Hart? Not all of them. Which ones want Hart? The ones that showed disrespect? Now they putting his name in the hat. Hart is not coming back until DJW and his crew gone. And DJW has 4 yrs if he decides not to resign. So allyuh head screwed on correctly, now.
Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: asylumseeker on January 13, 2017, 10:06:18 AM
The players want Hart? Not all of them. Which ones want Hart? The ones that showed disrespect? Now they putting his name in the hat. Hart is not coming back until DJW and his crew gone. And DJW has 4 yrs if he decides not to resign. So allyuh head screwed on correctly, now.

23 players, Deeks.
Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: kounty on January 13, 2017, 10:50:47 AM
The players want Hart? Not all of them. Which ones want Hart? The ones that showed disrespect? Now they putting his name in the hat. Hart is not coming back until DJW and his crew gone. And DJW has 4 yrs if he decides not to resign. So allyuh head screwed on correctly, now.

23 players, Deeks.
as you say Deeks, i feel it still had some disagreement - can't get 23 people to vote & feel exactly the same way. But I'm glad they didn't let that stop them from coming up with a short list..all affordable
Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: gawd on pitch on January 13, 2017, 01:52:37 PM
Hart is the man for the job. But I doubt he will come if Dictator John Williams is still near the TTFA.

I'm glad to see that the players have taken a stand. I feel something good coming soon.

TT as a nation has a lot of love, respect and honour for football. In fact, it is more a part of the nations identity than colonial cricket.

2006 instilled a lot of belief in the youth and the nation that we can achieve anything once we put our minds to it. So we need DJW to go, because he is against everything that 2006 meant for the nation. If it wasnt for 2006, I doubt we would have the likes of Levi Garcia and other upcoming youngsters.

Just imagine if we qualify for 2018? The impact that this would have on the youth. More Levi Garcias certainly. And less youth wanting to lime on the corner where all kind a thing going on. We need DJW gone. Especially for our youths sake. Because qualifying for 2018 has the power to bring some hope for the nation and youth.
Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: gawd on pitch on January 13, 2017, 02:12:43 PM
We have a Caribbean station here in Toronto. I was surprised to hear them talking about this on the radio this morning. More people starting to hear about DJW. And they are starting to see him as a rehash of Jackula. Publicity like this has the potential to affect DJW's other business dealings. So he better do whats necessary. Because when people start seeing you like a Jackula, trust comes into question. You cant do business without trust.

So if I was a business man in Trinidad and he wanted to do business with me, the first thing I will remember is how he ruined something that was in the works for the past 3.5 years. Hence, I will not TRUST him. And will not do business with him.
Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: Controversial on January 13, 2017, 02:30:59 PM
We have a Caribbean station here in Toronto. I was surprised to hear them talking about this on the radio this morning. More people starting to hear about DJW. And they are starting to see him as a rehash of Jackula. Publicity like this has the potential to affect DJW's other business dealings. So he better do whats necessary. Because when people start seeing you like a Jackula, trust comes into question. You cant do business without trust.

So if I was a business man in Trinidad and he wanted to do business with me, the first thing I will remember is how he ruined something that was in the works for the past 3.5 years. Hence, I will not TRUST him. And will not do business with him.

Which Caribbean station is that?
Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: gawd on pitch on January 13, 2017, 02:32:33 PM
We have a Caribbean station here in Toronto. I was surprised to hear them talking about this on the radio this morning. More people starting to hear about DJW. And they are starting to see him as a rehash of Jackula. Publicity like this has the potential to affect DJW's other business dealings. So he better do whats necessary. Because when people start seeing you like a Jackula, trust comes into question. You cant do business without trust.

So if I was a business man in Trinidad and he wanted to do business with me, the first thing I will remember is how he ruined something that was in the works for the past 3.5 years. Hence, I will not TRUST him. And will not do business with him.

Which Caribbean station is that?

G987. Dont get me wrong, it wasnt a discussion. It was the caribbean sports news that airs every morning at the top of each hour
Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: Controversial on January 13, 2017, 02:43:22 PM
We have a Caribbean station here in Toronto. I was surprised to hear them talking about this on the radio this morning. More people starting to hear about DJW. And they are starting to see him as a rehash of Jackula. Publicity like this has the potential to affect DJW's other business dealings. So he better do whats necessary. Because when people start seeing you like a Jackula, trust comes into question. You cant do business without trust.

So if I was a business man in Trinidad and he wanted to do business with me, the first thing I will remember is how he ruined something that was in the works for the past 3.5 years. Hence, I will not TRUST him. And will not do business with him.

Which Caribbean station is that?

G987. Dont get me wrong, it wasnt a discussion. It was the caribbean sports news that airs every morning at the top of each hour

Ah okay.... my boys d'enforcas play on there every Sunday for the soca segment...

Caribe tv is also a friend of mine and we have talked about doing a segment on trini and caribeban football...
Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: gawd on pitch on January 13, 2017, 02:58:00 PM
We have a Caribbean station here in Toronto. I was surprised to hear them talking about this on the radio this morning. More people starting to hear about DJW. And they are starting to see him as a rehash of Jackula. Publicity like this has the potential to affect DJW's other business dealings. So he better do whats necessary. Because when people start seeing you like a Jackula, trust comes into question. You cant do business without trust.

So if I was a business man in Trinidad and he wanted to do business with me, the first thing I will remember is how he ruined something that was in the works for the past 3.5 years. Hence, I will not TRUST him. And will not do business with him.

Which Caribbean station is that?

G987. Dont get me wrong, it wasnt a discussion. It was the caribbean sports news that airs every morning at the top of each hour

Ah okay.... my boys d'enforcas play on there every Sunday for the soca segment...

Caribe tv is also a friend of mine and we have talked about doing a segment on trini and caribeban football...

Serious? My boy is looking to do something similar.  I think he used to come on here back in 2005. He provides some support to a local TV station in Toronto. I think it was WIN tv. I believe they in Trini too.
Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: Controversial on January 13, 2017, 03:00:46 PM
We have a Caribbean station here in Toronto. I was surprised to hear them talking about this on the radio this morning. More people starting to hear about DJW. And they are starting to see him as a rehash of Jackula. Publicity like this has the potential to affect DJW's other business dealings. So he better do whats necessary. Because when people start seeing you like a Jackula, trust comes into question. You cant do business without trust.

So if I was a business man in Trinidad and he wanted to do business with me, the first thing I will remember is how he ruined something that was in the works for the past 3.5 years. Hence, I will not TRUST him. And will not do business with him.

Which Caribbean station is that?

G987. Dont get me wrong, it wasnt a discussion. It was the caribbean sports news that airs every morning at the top of each hour

Ah okay.... my boys d'enforcas play on there every Sunday for the soca segment...

Caribe tv is also a friend of mine and we have talked about doing a segment on trini and caribeban football...

Serious? My boy is looking to do something similar.  I think he used to come on here back in 2005. He provides some support to a local TV station in Toronto. I think it was WIN tv. I believe they in Trini too.

Yeah bro, been thinking about doing this a while now, also a radio program/podcast... problem is I was not in Canada for a while, just linked with my boy this December after many years... maybe a joint effort would be good, it's about time I think... Toronto needs it and North America as a whole needs a station dedicated to trini culture first, then Caribbean culture.. I know they had feva but that buss
Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: gawd on pitch on January 13, 2017, 03:27:37 PM
We have a Caribbean station here in Toronto. I was surprised to hear them talking about this on the radio this morning. More people starting to hear about DJW. And they are starting to see him as a rehash of Jackula. Publicity like this has the potential to affect DJW's other business dealings. So he better do whats necessary. Because when people start seeing you like a Jackula, trust comes into question. You cant do business without trust.

So if I was a business man in Trinidad and he wanted to do business with me, the first thing I will remember is how he ruined something that was in the works for the past 3.5 years. Hence, I will not TRUST him. And will not do business with him.

Which Caribbean station is that?

G987. Dont get me wrong, it wasnt a discussion. It was the caribbean sports news that airs every morning at the top of each hour

Ah okay.... my boys d'enforcas play on there every Sunday for the soca segment...

Caribe tv is also a friend of mine and we have talked about doing a segment on trini and caribeban football...

Serious? My boy is looking to do something similar.  I think he used to come on here back in 2005. He provides some support to a local TV station in Toronto. I think it was WIN tv. I believe they in Trini too.

Yeah bro, been thinking about doing this a while now, also a radio program/podcast... problem is I was not in Canada for a while, just linked with my boy this December after many years... maybe a joint effort would be good, it's about time I think... Toronto needs it and North America as a whole needs a station dedicated to trini culture first, then Caribbean culture.. I know they had feva but that buss

Feva on the decline bad.

Yeah. My boy was looking to start something after London Olympics. He say all the media outlet in Toronto only focus on JA track and they Independence(rightfully so) as if they was the only ones who had something to celebrate in 2012. Thats when he say he go start something for Trini. I think he even approach the consulate in Toronto and they give him the run around.

But it go be hard to do a station only dedicated to Trini culture first. We simply dont have the numbers. Most of all, we dont have enough Trini businesses in the GTA to support it. Will have to appeal to the Caribbean community on a whole. But a large part can be Trini content.

I know he is a big Track fan too. Got connected to some athletes going to Rio. Was supposed to interview and feature them on a podcast. But nothing ended up happening.
Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: Controversial on January 13, 2017, 03:40:40 PM
Nah it could be mainly 90% trini content or all, there are many local business owners in Toronto that would love to advertise if the station is seen nationwide and broadcasted to the US, Uk and Caribbean eventually..

Trini content could cover most, the consulate is a waste of time, the last best consul general was venetta Calvin smith, a wonderful woman who actually did things for the community up here... and Robert Sabga a good friend of mine who was high commissioner, after that things drop...

We can get a group together to kick it off and reach out to the business sector, but also get non Trinis who want to promote their products and services, there's a lot.. it's viable if people can work and collaborate together
Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: gawd on pitch on January 13, 2017, 03:51:13 PM
The only thing I does get weary about when Trini culture being discussed is this thing about Trini culture or history starting with Carnival. I was involved with a group in the early 2000s that was trying to do something. All they wanted to promote was carnival and party. So it wasnt surprising to see three of them become boat ride promoters. Sad, because the two fellas who put the collective together was some conscious brothers who was committed to helping the youth. But wanted also put the word out there that Trini culture or Trinidad is much more than jump up and fete.
Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: Controversial on January 13, 2017, 04:10:46 PM
The only thing I does get weary about when Trini culture being discussed is this thing about Trini culture or history starting with Carnival. I was involved with a group in the early 2000s that was trying to do something. All they wanted to promote was carnival and party. So it wasnt surprising to see three of them become boat ride promoters. Sad, because the two fellas who put the collective together was some conscious brothers who was committed to helping the youth. But wanted also put the word out there that Trini culture or Trinidad is much more than jump up and fete.

For me I'm about sports, music, film , politics, history and education, education of the masses in North America about Trinidad and Tobago history and culture and what we contributed to this world with all aspects of our society.. I'm all about news and investigative journalism as well... it shouldn't be one dimensional

My boy and I also discussed doing this separately, he wants to be a part of any initiative I put together up here.. it will happen.. once I get a core that is committed and loyal...
Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: gawd on pitch on January 13, 2017, 04:27:59 PM
The only thing I does get weary about when Trini culture being discussed is this thing about Trini culture or history starting with Carnival. I was involved with a group in the early 2000s that was trying to do something. All they wanted to promote was carnival and party. So it wasnt surprising to see three of them become boat ride promoters. Sad, because the two fellas who put the collective together was some conscious brothers who was committed to helping the youth. But wanted also put the word out there that Trini culture or Trinidad is much more than jump up and fete.

For me I'm about sports, music, film , politics, history and education, education of the masses in North America about Trinidad and Tobago history and culture and what we contributed to this world with all aspects of our society.. I'm all about news and investigative journalism as well... it shouldn't be one dimensional

My boy and I also discussed doing this separately, he wants to be a part of any initiative I put together up here.. it will happen.. once I get a core that is committed and loyal...

Okay. I know meh pardna on the same page. So I go tell him. You in Toronto? or GTA
Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: Controversial on January 13, 2017, 04:31:20 PM
The only thing I does get weary about when Trini culture being discussed is this thing about Trini culture or history starting with Carnival. I was involved with a group in the early 2000s that was trying to do something. All they wanted to promote was carnival and party. So it wasnt surprising to see three of them become boat ride promoters. Sad, because the two fellas who put the collective together was some conscious brothers who was committed to helping the youth. But wanted also put the word out there that Trini culture or Trinidad is much more than jump up and fete.

For me I'm about sports, music, film , politics, history and education, education of the masses in North America about Trinidad and Tobago history and culture and what we contributed to this world with all aspects of our society.. I'm all about news and investigative journalism as well... it shouldn't be one dimensional

My boy and I also discussed doing this separately, he wants to be a part of any initiative I put together up here.. it will happen.. once I get a core that is committed and loyal...

Okay. I know meh pardna on the same page. So I go tell him. You in Toronto? or GTA

Out in the burbs - pm me brother... I'm always downtown for business and other places since I moved back
Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: gawd on pitch on January 13, 2017, 04:33:38 PM
The only thing I does get weary about when Trini culture being discussed is this thing about Trini culture or history starting with Carnival. I was involved with a group in the early 2000s that was trying to do something. All they wanted to promote was carnival and party. So it wasnt surprising to see three of them become boat ride promoters. Sad, because the two fellas who put the collective together was some conscious brothers who was committed to helping the youth. But wanted also put the word out there that Trini culture or Trinidad is much more than jump up and fete.

For me I'm about sports, music, film , politics, history and education, education of the masses in North America about Trinidad and Tobago history and culture and what we contributed to this world with all aspects of our society.. I'm all about news and investigative journalism as well... it shouldn't be one dimensional

My boy and I also discussed doing this separately, he wants to be a part of any initiative I put together up here.. it will happen.. once I get a core that is committed and loyal...

Okay. I know meh pardna on the same page. So I go tell him. You in Toronto? or GTA

Out in the burbs - pm me brother... I'm always downtown for business and other places since I moved back

Will do. We out in the Scarbs
Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: fitzinho on January 13, 2017, 04:44:01 PM
Alyuh take over the thread with other topics smh

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Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: gawd on pitch on January 13, 2017, 04:50:50 PM
Alyuh take over the thread with other topics smh

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We just did with that comment..

I wonder if Hart still maintaining communication with the 23 who named him? I know the majority of the team bonded with him and had much more respect for him than the past journeymen.
Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: Controversial on January 13, 2017, 05:03:53 PM
Alyuh take over the thread with other topics smh

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We just did with that comment..

I wonder if Hart still maintaining communication with the 23 who named him? I know the majority of the team bonded with him and had much more respect for him than the past journeymen.

They must be... the dictator hinted at that in his statement about bostock ... hart is biding his time
Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: gawd on pitch on January 13, 2017, 05:08:25 PM
Alyuh take over the thread with other topics smh

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We just did with that comment..

I wonder if Hart still maintaining communication with the 23 who named him? I know the majority of the team bonded with him and had much more respect for him than the past journeymen.

They must be... the dictator hinted at that in his statement about bostock ... hart is biding his time

I figure so.

Explains why K9 didnt get on the team. Especially after he said, we aint making no world cup without Hart.
Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: vb on January 13, 2017, 05:26:40 PM
I realize there is a lot of respect for Hart on this forum but to be honest, the TT team for the qualifiers did not play like the TT team in the GC.

We seemed tentative andvery  aware of our defensive deficiencies.

Against the US we made some niice moves to the box but got broken down every time in the second half, we never troubled the US keeper in the 2nd hlf whilst our keeper made two brilliant saves and they hit the bar.

Against CR we played like we were the visitors, even the Spanish commentators made it clear tht TT was playing like a team lacking confidence.
Did we look like we lacked confidence in the GC??

Perhaps SH was doing his best with a defensively deficient team but tht brand wasn't going to get us anywhere.

VB
Title: Re: Hire Stephen Hart thread
Post by: Controversial on January 13, 2017, 05:29:15 PM
I realize there is a lot of respect for Hart on this forum but to be honest, the TT team for the qualifiers did not play like the TT team in the GC.

We seemed tentative andvery  aware of our defensive deficiencies.

Against the US we made some niice moves to the box but got broken down every time in the second half, we never troubled the US keeper in the 2nd hlf whilst our keeper made two brilliant saves and they hit the bar.

Against CR we played like we were the visitors, even the Spanish commentators made it clear tht TT was playing like a team lacking confidence.
Did we look like we lacked confidence in the GC??

Perhaps SH was doing his best with a defensively deficient team but tht brand wasn't going to get us anywhere.

VB

The dictator was not present in the gold cup... but he was the head honcho for the qualifiers ....
Title: T&T players want Hart back.
Post by: Flex on January 14, 2017, 04:00:19 AM
T&T players want Hart back.
By Jelani Beckles (Newsday).


MEMBERS of the national football team have put in their two cents in the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association’s (TTFA) search for a new national coach. The players have penned a letter to the TTFA requesting that four coaches including Stephen Hart be considered for the vacancy.

Hart, who comfortably led this country to the hexagonal stage of World Cup qualifiers, tops the players’ short-list which also includes W Connection’s Stuart Charles-Fevrier, former England defender Terry Fenwick and Club Sando’s Angus Eve (assistant coach).

The 56-year-old Hart was fired on November 24 last year and was replaced on December 7 by Belgian Tom Saintfeit who shockingly resigned last Wednesday after only one month on the job. Saintfiet stated that a lack of support from the TTFA led him to step down a mere two months before World Cup qualifiers resume in March.

Yesterday, 23 current national players, led by spokesperson and goalie Jan-Michael Williams gave their opinion on the coaching situation, imploring the TTFA to give Hart, who was relieved of his duties after three and a half years on the job, another chance.

The letter by the national players to the TTFA stated, “We (the players) KNOW it is not our decision to make, neither is it our place to make such demands, but we - 23 current players - have pooled our knowledge, resources and ideas together to come up with a few names for your immediate consideration.”

The letter added, “We can all agree that we the players have interacted with these names at some level, so we can safely say our knowledge can be used in this regard. We pledge our full support regardless of who is selected to the position, even if it is a person or persons outside of this list, as we know that we the players play an integral part in helping the team to qualify for the 2018 World Cup.” Up to 6pm yesterday, the players received no acknowledgement or response from the TTFA.

Speaking to the Newsday yesterday, Williams explained why Hart is the players’ number one candidate for the job.

“In the players opinion, I think we obviously let him down, I think we should have operated in a more professional manner.

We think obviously he is the best man for the job or one of the best candidates for the job and we will like to get him back on board,” Williams said matter-of-factly.

During the latter portion of Hart’s tenure as coach, there were reports of indiscipline cropping up within the squad with the TTFA having to fine players as well as ban midfielder Kevin Molino for a couple matches. The team also had a poor 2016 with several defeats including a 1-0 loss to Haiti in a Copa America Centenario and two World Cup qualifying defeats vs Costa Rica (2-0) and Honduras (3-1).

Williams said the team is still optimistic they can qualify for the World Cup. “The dream is still alive obviously and I think we know as players that we have a lot of work to do.” St Lucian-born Charles-Fevrier has been coaching W Connection in the TT Pro League since 1999 winning numerous titles including five Pro League titles and five Caribbean Club championships.

English-born Fenwick has similar experience to Fevrier in the Pro League as a coach, having successful stints with both San Juan Jabloteh and Central FC including three Pro League titles with squads comprising mostly local players.

Former national player Eve worked as an assistant coach with Fenwick at San Juan Jabloteh. He is currently the head coach of Club Sando in the Pro League and also coaches Naparima College.

Title: Re: T&T players want Hart back.
Post by: Tallman on January 14, 2017, 07:53:34 AM
WATCH: TTFA meets with potential candidates for the position of Head Coach

https://www.youtube.com/v/7v3TQQ9EDkg
Title: Re: T&T players want Hart back.
Post by: frico on January 14, 2017, 08:05:44 AM
I can't see this happening,player power could lead to future problems and it's not ideal for the future of our football,let us behave like developed countries football-wise.TT football followers in TT will know better than those living abroad,but someone like me who isn't aware of of the situation apart from what I read on this site,I will go for Terry Fenwick.
Title: Re: T&T players want Hart back.
Post by: Thomo on January 14, 2017, 08:22:37 AM
I can see why they as a collective would want him back. They've probably seen how they have erred and how they can resolve things on the pitch for him, fans the country and prove the TTFA wrong. But I've got to admit that some of them helped throw him under the bus with their indiscipline, unprofessional behaviour which has left a bitter taste in the mouths of observers and all other stakeholders. With potential candidates like Fenwick, Vranes, and recent applicant Dennis Lawrence hopefully the FA can get it right, the new coach can settle the ship, recruit some new players in key positions and increase competition we can initially make fourth in the Hex and prepare for 2022 if all falls down.
Title: Re: T&T players want Hart back.
Post by: pull stones on January 14, 2017, 12:42:30 PM
This is a real bachanal country in every way from the every day person to the heads of state. every time we embark on anything remotely dealing with fixing or making Trinidad and Tobago better there is always this catty wayward nepotistic approach which in the end always turn out wrong, yet we continue down that rocky road time after time despite the lack of results.

I knew from day one that this DJW feller was going to be bad for our football and seem to me as the type who would not put the best interest of football in front of his selfish desires. We all know who ever he appoints will not be from a position of "country first" but rather whom he and his cohorts like and feel comfortable with.

suprise us divid john and do the right thing by football for once please mister.
Title: Re: T&T players want Hart back.
Post by: Thomo on January 14, 2017, 02:10:45 PM
Word is that DJW was on i95.5 blaming Hart and the media for the shambles that TnT football in at the minute. Can anyone confirm that he said this?
Title: Re: T&T players want Hart back.
Post by: frico on January 14, 2017, 02:19:12 PM
pull stones,I  may have to disagree with you one of these days,but up to now you are a very objective bloke,and I again have to agree with your critical view of us Trinis in every department.
Title: Re: T&T players want Hart back.
Post by: Controversial on January 14, 2017, 02:26:51 PM
Word is that DJW was on i95.5 blaming Hart and the media for the shambles that TnT football in at the minute. Can anyone confirm that he said this?

Tell that Uncle Tom to shut he damn mouth and stop spreading lies..

He too damn corrupt and sell out we nation
Title: Re: T&T players want Hart back.
Post by: Thomo on January 14, 2017, 02:32:43 PM
Word is that DJW was on i95.5 blaming Hart and the media for the shambles that TnT football in at the minute. Can anyone confirm that he said this?

Tell that Uncle Tom to shut he damn mouth and stop spreading lies..

He too damn corrupt and sell out we nation

Did you listen to the radio show and hear him say that?
Title: Re: T&T players want Hart back.
Post by: Controversial on January 14, 2017, 02:46:10 PM
Word is that DJW was on i95.5 blaming Hart and the media for the shambles that TnT football in at the minute. Can anyone confirm that he said this?

Tell that Uncle Tom to shut he damn mouth and stop spreading lies..

He too damn corrupt and sell out we nation

Did you listen to the radio show and hear him say that?

No I didn't listen but I don't doubt for a minute he said that to deflect from his corruption
Title: Re: T&T players want Hart back.
Post by: pull stones on January 14, 2017, 10:54:39 PM
pull stones,I  may have to disagree with you one of these days,but up to now you are a very objective bloke,and I again have to agree with your critical view of us Trinis in every department.
why thank you mate. not that i am anything special nor do i see my self as such but i am a just a trinidadian who wants the best for his country though i have not lived there since i was an early teen, and when i look around i see a country with such resources including human and natural with loads of potential dragged haphazardly down the drain by these meat heads who has been entrusted with the charge and care of this country it really bothers me, and it's the reason why i am so passionate about the mismanagement of such a wonderful island. too sad.
Title: Re: T&T players want Hart back.
Post by: Controversial on January 14, 2017, 11:31:53 PM
pull stones,I  may have to disagree with you one of these days,but up to now you are a very objective bloke,and I again have to agree with your critical view of us Trinis in every department.
why thank you mate. not that i am anything special nor do i see my self as such but i am a just a trinidadian who wants the best for his country though i have not lived there since i was an early teen, and when i look around i see a country with such resources including human and natural with loads of potential dragged haphazardly down the drain by these meat heads who has been entrusted with the charge and care of this country it really bothers me, and it's the reason why i am so passionate about the mismanagement of such a wonderful island. too sad.

What is this? a budding bromance of bullshitters  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Flex on January 19, 2017, 04:54:54 AM
Hart: Mistakes are the true mother of learning.
By Walter Alibey (Guardian).


Stephen Hart, the ex T&T football coach has challenged students who participated at the Secondary Schools Football League (SSFL) last year, to educate themselves by learning to think situations out for their benefit.

Preceding that Kedie Johnson of St. Augustine Secondary School and Tyrell Emmanuel of Shiva Boys Hindu College, were adjudged as the Secondary School’s Football League - 2016 Players of the Year 2016. The duo during yesterday’s SSFL annual awards ceremony.

However, Hart in a sterling feature speech at the ceremony, reminded the young budding footballers and future professionals that they are the only ones to make them better. He urged them to decide how they can get the edge in their profession of choice, and how they can polish their strengths, and attack their weaknesses.

Using a quote from famous German theoretical physicist Albert Einstein, Hart, who also travelled the road as a young footballer before his entry into football as a coach, said, “Education is not the learning of fact but rather the training of the mind to think.”

He explained that education is all around them, pointing to the sport of football which he said is filled with rich education. “There is cultural diversity education in it. It has science in it, now more than ever- the mechanics of the body and what you can do with humans who play the game?. It has physics in it. If you want to know how to bend a ball and how to strike it properly, believe it or not it has physics in it. And most of all the sport is a thinkers’ game,” Hart said.

He added, “It is not a game about muscle. Muscle does not think, the brain tells muscle what to do.” He told the large gathering of students, teachers, coaches and supporters that he only learnt a few things after his graduation from university, which was to gather information, process it, which he described as the difficult part because of the amount of misinformation out there, and how to reproduce it for the benefit and delivery of what he had to do.

He credited his mentor, Hungarian Roman Nayabecky, a well educated lover of the game of football, for encouraging him to take coaching courses, absorb what he liked and discard what he did not. He said it was Nayabecky who told him to create his own unique style and quality to the game, which has stayed with him for the rest of his life.

This education Hart brought to T&T football three years ago and managed to stabilise the game in the midst of turmoil and controversy, saying as a coach he has learnt that it requires influencing behaviours.

Though he was sacked as national coach, Hart who has guided the Soca Warriors to the Final round of the FIFA World Cup Qualifiers, encouraged the young footballers to be not afraid of making mistakes, saying ‘Mistakes are the true mother of learning as it will only make you stronger and better.’

“A person who never made a mistake, has never tried anything new,” Hart told the young players and in giving them some tips on how to be successful he urged them to write their goals down and pin it up so that they can see it every morning, seek out a mentor and listen more and talk less.

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Hart urges youths to keep striving at SSFL award ceremony.
T&T Newsday Reports.


STEPHEN HART enlightened this country’s next generation of footballers at the Secondary School’s Football League (SSFL) award ceremony held yesterday, at the National Cycling Centre in Couva, as he delivered the feature speech at the function.

While admitting that public speaking is not his forte as he is quite more comfortable talking on the field, Hart expressed his honour to address the talented youngsters as he encouraged them to always be mentally focused and have the discipline it takes to strive for more and make a positive name for oneself.

Hart made reference to a lesson his coaching mentor taught him as he gave advice to the players by stating, “Write everything down and absorb what you like, discard what you do not like but most importantly, add what is uniquely your own by bringing your own quality.” Hart reminded the athletes that coaching is only the influencing of behaviour and they (the athletes) have to be the ones to go out there on the field and do the job.

While relaying this message, he encouraged them to always be curious as to how they can develop themselves to become better, how to develop a dynamic or create a cutting edge to enhance and grow as a player, as well as understanding how does each individual training session impacts on performances produced on the field.

Hart motivated the athletes in attendance, of various schools throughout Trinidad, as he stressed, “Keep polishing your strengths because coaches like players for what they can do but always remember to approach your weaknesses in the same manner you attack the opposition on the field.

Remember only you can make you better!” Shiva Boys’ dominated the 2016 all-star team in the male category as Fyzabad also made their presence known in the female division of the SSFL as they both had the most players of all schools in representation amongst the best players of the season.

Six “Shiva” players managed to impose themselves into the team as they had a player from every position in the team which consisted of their goalkeeper, defender, three midfielders and striker. Three of their players also made it into the “top five best players” along with their midfield maestro Tyrell Emmanuel copping the Player of the Year award.

“Fyzo” also featured a player from each position as they filled five spots in the all-star female team and produced two of the “top five best players” at this year’s ceremony.

Kedie Johnson of St Augustine Secondary won the female Player of the Year award.

Honours were shared amongst the athletes in attendance as SSFL distributed awards across the different divisions of their programme.

At the championship division, each zonal champions won a total of $3,000 for their school, while Carapichaima won the “Big 5” Shell Trophy along with adding an extra $5,000 to their account.

In a similar manner in the female category, the FCB trophy was captured by St. Augustine Secondary as they added $4,000 to their $3,000 as each zonal champion received the cash for winning their respective zone.

Coca-Cola Intercol Champions San Juan North Secondary and Premier Division Champions Shiva Boys College both won $8000 and $23,000 for claiming their respective titles. However, Naparima College came away the largest winner on the day as they won the Digicel Play Cup and pocketed a total of $30,000 for becoming champions. Presentation College San Fernando, who lost to naps in the finals,received $10,000 for their second place finish.

2016 All-Stars Boys

Goalkeepers: Desean Bowen (Trinity College, Moka), Rahim Lee (Pleasantville Secondary), Denzil Smith (Shiva Boys Hindu College);

Defenders: Yohannes Richardson (Shiva Boys Hindu College), Mylz Barrington (Presentation College, San F’do), Derron John (St Anthony’s College), Mickel Ravello (St Benedict’s College), Kyle Thomas (San Juan North Secondary), Zion Holder (St Augustine Secondary);

Midfielders: Jordan Riley (Presentation College, San F’do), Quinn Rodney, Tyrel Emmanuel, Judah Garcia (all Shiva Boys Hindu College), Akil Frank (Signal Hill Secondary), Justin Sadoo (Naparima College);

Forwards: Isaiah Lee (Naparima College), Haile Beckles (St Anthony’s College), Junior Asson (Shiva Boys Hindu College), Renaldo Boyce (San Juan North Secondary), Nion Lammy (Presentation College, San F’do).

2016 All-Stars Girls

Goalkeepers: Kaydeen Jack (Diego Martin Central), Chelsea Ramnath (Fyzabad Secondary), Danisha Britto (St Augustine Secondary);

Defenders: Abigail LaRode (St Augustine Secondary), Tamara Johnson, Collette Morgan (both Fyzabad Secondary), Kerice King (Tranquility Secondary), Jaasiel Forde (Bishop’s Anstey East);

Midfielders: Malak Marcelle (Diego Martin Central), Denecia Prince (Fyzabad Secondary), Shaunelle Govia (Tranquility Secondary), Ranea Warde (Bishop’s Anstey, POS), Shenieka Paul (Pleasantville Secondary), Aaliyah Lynch (St Augustine Secondary);

Forwards: Asha James (Signal Hill Secondary), Celene Lorraine (Mason Hall Secondary), Reanique Primus (Fyzabad Secondary), Chantal Murrell (Bishop’s Anstey, POS), Ke’die Johnson, Adanya Phillip (both St Augustine Secondary).

Individual Awards

Female: Top 5 - Kedie Johnson (St Augustine Secondary), Shaunalee Govia (Tranquillity Secondary) Malak Marcelle (Diego Martin Central), Collette Morgan, Denecia Prince (Fyzabad Secondary).

Player of the Year – Kedie Johnson (St Augustine Secondary)

Male: Top 5 – Isaiah Lee (Naparima College), Kyle Thomas (San Juan North Sec.), Quinn Rodney, Junior Asson and Tyrell Emmanuel (Shiva Boys Hindu College)

Player of the Year – Tyrell Emmanuel (Shiva Boys Hindu College).

Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Cocorite on January 19, 2017, 05:18:23 AM
Excellent advice to the young and not so young alike.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: grskywalker on January 19, 2017, 07:05:31 AM
BRING BACK HART BRING BACK HART BRING BACK HART!!!

Right now I think Terry Fenwick should get the nod though
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Quags on January 19, 2017, 07:28:02 AM
Let me just say how stupid JDW and Shabazz are ,they been plotting to overthrow Hart since last January ,and in all that time never put any thought into who would be his successor  ??? ,really trying to use google for a bargain bin coach !
This was the plan when ffisback was calling for Harts heart on a platter ?
Now DJW says he's not helping in picking the coach ,this from a man we heard was insulting Hart in the stands .All of a sudden he does not interfere with the coaching .
What we have to remember SWN is that DJW owns a pro league team which he thinks plays fantastic and at a great standard ,so now that he's running the MNT seeing them play at a pro league standard would be a source of pride for him ,because to him that is good football .
Only problem would be the MNT would be as popular to the TNT public as a proleague game.
As for rehiring Hart ,that might be the only way to save this disaster of a hex ,but can those two suddenly powerful head honchos of the Federation be able to swallow there pride and admit that they were wrong ?
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Quags on January 19, 2017, 07:49:06 AM
It's like leaving your wife in the Hilton to go bull ah thing in ah latrine 😄
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Fyzoman on January 19, 2017, 08:48:34 AM
It's like leaving your wife in the Hilton to go bull ah thing in ah latrine 😄

A A latrine ting on this thread too?

Quags you and Sam in cahoots or what :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Controversial on January 19, 2017, 11:49:40 AM
It's like leaving your wife in the Hilton to go bull ah thing in ah latrine 😄

A A latrine ting on this thread too?

Quags you and Sam in cahoots or what :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Seems like real horn chirren being conceived in latrines these days in TT...
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: sjahrain on January 19, 2017, 01:50:39 PM
What struck a chord with me in that piece were these words which came at the very end

LISTEN MORE AND TALK LESS
Those words speak volumes especially with all the bachanal going on right now
They would not listen ...And they sure have alot to say.... Including myself..lol
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: maxg on February 23, 2017, 06:07:01 PM
I wonder if Canada has the balls to hire him ?
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: AB.Trini on February 24, 2017, 08:30:57 AM
I wonder if Canada has the balls to hire him ?

On the other hand TTFA could have showed some balls and bring him back as a technical director or special advisor to the new management team that is seriously lacking in experience.
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Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: maxg on February 24, 2017, 10:22:29 AM
I wonder if Canada has the balls to hire him ?

On the other hand TTFA could have showed some balls and bring him back as a technical director or special advisor to the new management team that is seriously lacking in experience.
.

TTFA decisions not bout balls, that seems more personal

add: maybe hart and his staff salary was to much...look how much coaches we can afford now...men, good ol boys and women and staff..
Lot's of ppl round DJW know the story, but dey not telling we, we mouth to big
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: kounty on March 04, 2017, 09:27:58 PM
before it get lost. Thanks Stephen Hart. Even in the game where we get drubbed 4-0 by the US, the first 10-15 mins of that game I see Trinbago knock ball so beautifully and with so much confidence. I can't remember the last time. Maybe was the liquor in my system but I was so sure we would make waves in the WC with a brand that was ours - players really allowed the freedom to express themselves.
Good luck in your next step. I hope you make yourself even better (keep coaching at a higher level) for when we shake off this jumbie administration and hopefully shake of the jumbies in the next administration so we could bring you back again and hopefully you give us a chance again. To make T&T take three steps forward after two steps back. Thanks for all the work you put in for us fans, you brought pride back to us. We wish Dennis well too as a son of the soil, but all true fans will yearn for your return.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Cocorite on March 05, 2017, 08:26:20 AM
before it get lost. Thanks Stephen Hart. Even in the game where we get drubbed 4-0 by the US, the first 10-15 mins of that game I see Trinbago knock ball so beautifully and with so much confidence. I can't remember the last time. Maybe was the liquor in my system but I was so sure we would make waves in the WC with a brand that was ours - players really allowed the freedom to express themselves.
Good luck in your next step. I hope you make yourself even better (keep coaching at a higher level) for when we shake off this jumbie administration and hopefully shake of the jumbies in the next administration so we could bring you back again and hopefully you give us a chance again. To make T&T take three steps forward after two steps back. Thanks for all the work you put in for us fans, you brought pride back to us. We wish Dennis well too as a son of the soil, but all true fans will yearn for your return.

Well said. I echo your sentiments.

Thank You SH. You did more than you know. I know you have soooo much more you could have led us with but was hindered.

Please don't close the door on us. . .

Will be looking for you wherever you serve next. . .full support
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: trini_stallion on March 05, 2017, 11:39:59 AM
before it get lost. Thanks Stephen Hart. Even in the game where we get drubbed 4-0 by the US, the first 10-15 mins of that game I see Trinbago knock ball so beautifully and with so much confidence. I can't remember the last time. Maybe was the liquor in my system but I was so sure we would make waves in the WC with a brand that was ours - players really allowed the freedom to express themselves.
Good luck in your next step. I hope you make yourself even better (keep coaching at a higher level) for when we shake off this jumbie administration and hopefully shake of the jumbies in the next administration so we could bring you back again and hopefully you give us a chance again. To make T&T take three steps forward after two steps back. Thanks for all the work you put in for us fans, you brought pride back to us. We wish Dennis well too as a son of the soil, but all true fans will yearn for your return.

SH is pure class, on and off the field!
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Controversial on March 05, 2017, 05:59:28 PM
before it get lost. Thanks Stephen Hart. Even in the game where we get drubbed 4-0 by the US, the first 10-15 mins of that game I see Trinbago knock ball so beautifully and with so much confidence. I can't remember the last time. Maybe was the liquor in my system but I was so sure we would make waves in the WC with a brand that was ours - players really allowed the freedom to express themselves.
Good luck in your next step. I hope you make yourself even better (keep coaching at a higher level) for when we shake off this jumbie administration and hopefully shake of the jumbies in the next administration so we could bring you back again and hopefully you give us a chance again. To make T&T take three steps forward after two steps back. Thanks for all the work you put in for us fans, you brought pride back to us. We wish Dennis well too as a son of the soil, but all true fans will yearn for your return.

SH is pure class, on and off the field!

Boss post   :beermug:
Title: Stephen Hart announced as coach of new Halifax Wanderers FC
Post by: Tallman on June 29, 2018, 02:24:25 AM
Stephen Hart announced as coach of new Halifax Wanderers FC
By Yvette d'Entremont (The Star Halifax)


On Thursday, the new HFX Wanderers FC named Stephen Hart as their first head coach and general manager.

A former coach of the Canadian men’s national team, Hart also served as Trinidad and Tobago’s national team coach from 2013 to 2016.

Derek Martin, founder and president of Sports & Entertainment Atlantic, said Hart’s name was constantly repeated as dreams of bringing a Canadian Premier League team to Halifax started to become a reality.

“He’s been at every level, he’s had success, that goes without saying, but what I really enjoyed was getting to know the man and I think the man is someone who represents what we want our club to be,” Martin told a crowd of soccer fans gathered at the Wanderers Grounds for the announcement.

Hart smiled and told the crowd he is known for liking “a certain type of game,” one he said he will not change nor apologize for.

“This will be about inspiring young players, it will be about putting a product on the field that we can enjoy and cheer for,” Hart said.

“This is brand new so, like in building anything, it takes time. It will take time to get things right, but along the way … it’s going to be exciting. It’s going to be adventurous, I can promise you that.”

Hart served two stints as head coach of the Canadian national men’s team, the first as interim coach in 2006 and 2007. He then took over the national team full time in 2009 before quitting in the wake of Canada’s 8-1 loss in Honduras in October 2012.

That defeat ended Canada’s World Cup qualifying bid at the time.

Hart’s record during his two stints at the helm of the Canadian men’s team was 20-15-10.

In an interview, he said he learned a lot from coaching the national men’s team.

“The first major lesson is that our player base was probably too small and it’s a result of young players that are trying to break through not having a place to cut their teeth, so to speak. I think this (league) will address that, very much so,” Hart said.

He said to be competitive on the world soccer stage, Canada “desperately” needed a league of its own.

“We are probably the last country that’s trying to qualify for world events without a league. There’s a lot of talk about Iceland but Iceland not only has a premier league, they have four divisions of soccer, and here we are 30 million people and we didn’t even have one division,” Hart noted.

“So now this is more of a national league rather than each province having its own league and us being fractured. Hopefully this will build into something that goes across the entire country.”

Hart will now begin the task of finding the new club’s players.

“In order for that game to be part of all of us, it comes down to the players. It’s not going to be about me,” Hart said.

“At the end of the day, players they bring the product to the field, they’re on the stage and they’re the ones who are going to have to perform.”

Hart will now begin the task of determining the new club’s players and its style of play. He’ll kick-start his scouting of local talent as he puts together a team of Atlantic Under-23 Selects.

They’ll play an exhibition match against Fortuna Düsseldorf at the Wanderers Grounds on July 28 at 4 p.m. Tickets for that game will go on sale to the general public on July 3.

“Teams have to have a balance. You can’t go crazy on one end ... I know the type of player that I’ll be looking for and the type of players that will blend into something,” Hart said.

“I have always told the coaches when I had provincial teams, when in doubt, select enthusiasm … Regardless of how talented a player is they have to bring their passion to the field and to the team.”
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Deeks on June 29, 2018, 04:36:40 AM
 :thumbsup: :cheers: :salute:
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Tallman on June 29, 2018, 07:11:44 AM
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Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: soccerman on June 29, 2018, 01:39:00 PM
Good for coach Hart, congrats  :beermug:
Title: Hart looks to bring style to the Canadian Premier League
Post by: Tallman on June 29, 2018, 05:11:50 PM
Hart looks to bring style to the Canadian Premier League
By Matthew Gourlie (juneof86.com)


Stephen Hart is pragmatic, but he’s also an idealist.

While head coach of the Canadian men’s national team, his sides were difficult to break down, but they also looked to build from the back, possess the ball and have his players express themselves.

Now, given the chance to be the first head coach and general manager in the history of HFX Wanderers FC, Hart has no plans on changing his style or his approach.

“I’m under no illusions. In the professional game it’s about getting the result, but for me the game has always been about individual artistry and collective brilliance,” Hart said as he was introduced at a press conference at Wanderers Grounds in Halifax.

“Most of you who know me, you know I like a certain type of game and I will not apologize for that and I will not change that. It comes down to the players. It’s not going to be about me. At the end of the day, players bring the product to the field, they’re on the stage and they are the ones who are are going to have to perform.”

Hart, 58, previously managed the Canadian and Trinidad and Tobago national teams. He coached in Nova Scotia for more than a decade before earning a coaching post with Canada’s under-17 team in 2001 and steadily climbing the CSA’s coaching ranks. He has lived in the Halifax region for nearly 40 years.

Derek Martin, founder and president of Sports & Entertainment Atlantic and Wanderers FC president, said it was vital to find the right person to helm the soccer operations side of the club. When Martin began to look into bringing professional soccer to Halifax, Hart’s name kept coming up in the local soccer community. He feels that Hart is the perfect fit for the job.

“It was very clear to me that he had the respect of the soccer people in this community, which is obviously hugely important, but what was a real pleasure for me was getting to know Stephen,” Martin said. “It wasn’t just his soccer acumen and what he knew about the game — that’s obvious… that goes without saying — what I really enjoyed was getting to know the man.

“The man represents what we want our club to be. He has a passion. He has a purpose. This is his community, just like it is all of ours. He chose to live here. He chose to make this his home, to build a life here and start a family here. He wants this club to succeed on the pitch, but he wants this club to succeed for this community. That’s what really drew me and made me believe that Stephen is the right man for this job.”

It has been 18 months since Hart was fired as the head coach of his native Trinidad and Tobago. After being away from his wife and three daughters for long stretches at a time during the post, he returned to Nova Scotia and took a break.

“I thought I would take some time off and see if a project would come up that I could really sink my teeth into,” Hart said. “I met Derek and he was very convincing and very enthusiastic about doing this. Of course, it’s in a region that I’m very familiar with, where I feel at home and where I feel like a big part of the soccer landscape.”

After being a manager in international soccer for 10 years, Hart is looking forward to returning to club soccer and building his program from the ground up.

“That’s really the most appealing part. Of course these things take time and sport is not known for its patience,” Hart said.

“I tell players and I told the organization that I would like everyone to focus more on the process rather than results, because if the process is right it eventually leads to some sort of continuity and consistency. That usually leads to results.

“I think the organization is going to go about things the right way. They understand that this is new and we’re now getting off the ground. We have a good understanding of what we want to see and the product we want to put on the field.”

Hart has a clear vision for the kind of players and kind of team he wants to put on the pitch for the Wanderers’ inaugural season in the spring of 2019. He spoke about building a spine of the team — from the keeper through the centre of defence and midfield to the front-man — that is “very special and has good qualities.” He also stressed there needs to be balance within the team.

“I know the type of player I will be looking for and the type of players that will blend into something,” Hart said. “I have always told the coaches, when I had provincial teams, when in doubt select enthusiasm. Enthusiasm got me to take the job. I fed off of Derek’s enthusiasm. Regardless of how talented a player is, they have to bring their passion to the field and to the team.”

The focus of the CPL is developing the Canadian player and that is obviously something Hart is passionate about. Still, he believes that drawing the right foreign players to the league can help speed along that development and enhance the league.

“That’s a big part of the league and it’s a big part of any league really. Whether you’re talking about the top leagues in the world or MLS, it’s a big part of the league to have foreign content that brings something different. Players that can show what it means to be professional and of course bring qualify on the field itself,” Hart said.

HFX Wanderers FC are starting from scratch. There is a ton of work to complete to get a coaching staff and training facilities prepared for their first season. There are big picture, long-term goals, but for now he feels it’s going to be a lot of hard work just to get the first team ready for that first season.

“We have a relatively short time period to put a team together and get it functioning and then it’s baby steps,” Hart said. “We would love to engage the community of course. We have strong youth programs in the region. It’s our job to communicate and interact with those community programs to see how we can best work together.”

Until Iceland made it’s debut this year, Trinidad and Tobago was the smallest nation to ever qualify for the World Cup. And yet Hart made his professional debut in the local professional league straight out of high school. Those opportunities have long been lacking for young Canadian players.

“We are the only country remaining that is trying to qualify on the world’s stage without a professional league,” Hart said. “In my time period it was a big problem. What would happen is that young players by the age of 19 or 20 if they didn’t get an opportunity in Europe or maybe South America/Latin America they would be out of the game. Now you have an opportunity to increase your player pool, provide opportunities for many talented players and hopefully they stay in the game longer, use the league to learn to be professional and develop and then move on to bigger and better things.”

It’s big for all Canadian players, but it will also stoke the ambitions of players in the region and across Atlantic Canada. The Wanderers are the first professional team in Atlantic Canada since the Nova Scotia Clippers played one season in the Canadian Soccer League in 1991.

“This is certainly a very, very exciting time for all of us in the region who are passionate about the game and have been involved as players or coaches, we always felt there was one piece of the puzzle missing,” Hart said. “For the pathway of any aspiring player, that piece of the puzzle would have been having a professional team and a professional league.”

The initial hirings have proven that there are no straight lines to becoming a head coach in the Canadian Premier League. Still, Hart’s path was less direct than most.

Born in San Fernando, Trinidad, Hart received his first cap for his country in 1980 just before he joined friend Jeff Agostini at St. Mary’s University in Halifax. He earned a degree at St. Mary’s and applied for a post to work in environmental resource management to work at preserving Trinidad and Tobago’s coral reefs. The job never came, he stayed in Halifax, married his wife Lynn and never left.

Hart acknowledged George Athanasiou at the opening press conference. Athanasiou founded King of Donair soccer club in 1983 along with Nick Garonis and Takis Mitropoulos. In 1988 he convinced Hart to assume coaching duties in addition to playing.

King of Donair became the dominant amateur club team in Nova Scotia and won national medals in 1994 and ’95 before finally winning the Challenge Cup in 2001. Five King of Donair players — including Ante Jazic — played for Canada at one level or another. That success, to say nothing of his eight years working as technical director of Soccer Nova Scotia, earned him a job with the Canadian Soccer Association in 2001.

He progressed up the ranks and became Frank Yallop’s assistant with the men’s national team. When Yallop returned to Major League Soccer in June of 2006, Hart was elevated to interim manager. The 2007 Gold Cup team beat Costa Rica and put on a show in ousting Guatemala 3-0 in the quarter-final. They famously lost the semifinal to the United States when Atiba Hutchinson’s injury-time equalizer was incorrectly flagged offside.

“The players at the time were at a very good age and they were all playing regularly at their respective levels and it was a good moment for a lot of the players. We had a good balance,” Hart said. “The approach of how we played the game, I have always tried to play that way. I do understand that the objective is to win the game. You don’t get any points for style. I’m not going to change. That is just how I do things.”

Hart’s side played some of the most attractive soccer the national team had ever seen, but it wasn’t enough to earn the full-time post. Instead, Dale Mitchell took over in the run-up to the 2010 World Cup. Once again Hart took over on an interim basis in April of 2009, guided the team to a winning record at the Gold Cup and this time earned the full-time post in December of the same year.

In the 2014 World Cup qualifiers, Hart’s side never found the high level that  ’07 Gold Cup, but Canada under Hart was pragmatic and hard to beat. They only lost twice in a 16-match span and had conceded three goals in 11 qualifying matches. Then they went to San Pedro Sula only needing a draw to reach the hexagonal and the rest is history. Honduras won 8-1 and Hart resigned two days after the match.

Still, Hart won 20 matches, drew 10 and lost 15 in his time in charge of Canada. He had a winning record with Trinidad as well. They drew Mexico and didn’t lose a match at the 2015 Gold Cup, going out in the ninth round of penalties against Panama in the quarter-finals. They qualified for the hex with a match to spare, but he was fired after the second round of matches in the hex in November of 2016 after T&T lost 2-0 to Costa Rica at home and 3-1 in Honduras.

Local fans will get to see Hart in action when he guides a team of under-23 selects from across Atlantic Canada for a friendly against the under-23 team of newly promoted Germany Bundesliga side Fortuna Düsseldorf.

Hart will get a week to train the young players and get to know them and see their qualities.

“I’ve been looking at them and I know most of the players. Really it’s more of an outing for the fans, than anything else,” Hart said of the friendly. “It does allow me to see how some of these players — if they’re selected — how they respond to an opposition that are going to be well-prepared and have spent a lot of time together and are mature — even though they’re 20 or 21 years old.

“It gives me a measuring stick to see who can step up and who looks the part.”

The match will be played on Saturday, July 28 at 4 p.m. local time and Wanderers FC members have exclusive first rights to tickets.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: FF on June 30, 2018, 01:25:56 PM
Good luck Harty
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: royal on June 30, 2018, 07:39:49 PM
best of luck to Hart.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: palos on June 30, 2018, 07:44:50 PM
Baba,Brow, Derek King and dem must be happy with this news  ;D

All the best Harty. HFX Wanderers very lucky to have you
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Anbrat on June 30, 2018, 10:29:31 PM
One man's trash is another man's treasure...................
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: rotatopoti3 on July 02, 2018, 12:23:30 AM
One man's trash is another man's treasure...................


D man was never trash...

You cant question class.

U hit the nail on d head.

Judging on how D hex went, we would have reached the WorldCup.

Unfortunately for us, there are  people who dont like progress....
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on July 02, 2018, 09:47:34 AM
Congrats to SH. May yuh meet W Connection in a CONCACAF Champions League group and run riot.  ;D

(By the way, how will that work regarding the CCL and CPL teams?)
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on July 02, 2018, 09:49:25 AM
Baba,Brow, Derek King and dem must be happy with this news ;D

All the best Harty. HFX Wanderers very lucky to have you

Ent.  :)  :rotfl:

Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: vb on July 02, 2018, 03:26:08 PM
before it get lost. Thanks Stephen Hart. Even in the game where we get drubbed 4-0 by the US, the first 10-15 mins of that game I see Trinbago knock ball so beautifully and with so much confidence. I can't remember the last time. Maybe was the liquor in my system but I was so sure we would make waves in the WC with a brand that was ours - players really allowed the freedom to express themselves.
Good luck in your next step. I hope you make yourself even better (keep coaching at a higher level) for when we shake off this jumbie administration and hopefully shake of the jumbies in the next administration so we could bring you back again and hopefully you give us a chance again. To make T&T take three steps forward after two steps back. Thanks for all the work you put in for us fans, you brought pride back to us. We wish Dennis well too as a son of the soil, but all true fans will yearn for your return.

Actually it was the first 32 minutes and I was in awe, I thought I was watching some version of Holland.
Had never seen TT play a top team and look so refined - away from home to boot.

According to Levi Garcia they got tired in the second half...steuups.

VB
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Tallman on September 07, 2018, 10:12:08 AM
‘Players can come from anywhere’: HFX Wanderers coach Stephen Hart preparing for CPL’s open trials
By CANPL.CA STAFF


Few people have been around more Canadian footballers than Stephen Hart.

The HFX Wanderers inaugural head coach has analyzed and advised men and women at every level of the Canadian soccer pyramid since the 1990s.

As the Canadian Premier League’s #GotGame (http://canpl.ca/gotgame/) Open Trials kick-off in Halifax later this month, Hart described the traits he and fellow CPL coaches will be looking for in prospective CPL players.

“You look for different qualities in players to potentially play in different positions,” Hart told CanPL.ca, adding he’s “always looking for that special player who brings something a little different.

“You try to figure out the attitude of the player and how they’re approaching the trial: Do they do the simple things effectively? Do they impact the game in the way they play?

“The (players) aren’t going to be prepared collectively so you’re looking for individual qualities they can bring to a team.

While Hart and his colleagues from York 9 FC, Forge FC, Valour FC, FC Edmonton, Cavalry FC and Pacific FC will be looking to unearth players on the cusp of breaking into a professional environment, Hart reiterated CPL triallists should enter this process with the proper disposition.

“You should be relaxed and you should try to bring your qualities, what you’re good at, into the game,” Hart added. “But a lot of times coaches are just looking to see if you can do the simple things effectively and make good decisions.”

“I think players can come from anywhere,” Hart added. “That’s one of the beauties of our sport.”

The long-time bench boss is hoping HFX Wanderers inaugural squad will have a healthy mix of players from within the region.

“I’ve been beating the bush and trying to find local talent,” Hart finished. “I would like to have as close to half the squad (be local) as possible … but that remains to be seen.”

The CPL’s #GotGame Open Trials are coming to a city near you.

Think you’ve #GotGame? Register at CanPL.ca/GotGame (http://canpl.ca/gotgame/).
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: trini_stallion on September 07, 2018, 10:30:22 AM
before it get lost. Thanks Stephen Hart. Even in the game where we get drubbed 4-0 by the US, the first 10-15 mins of that game I see Trinbago knock ball so beautifully and with so much confidence. I can't remember the last time. Maybe was the liquor in my system but I was so sure we would make waves in the WC with a brand that was ours - players really allowed the freedom to express themselves.
Good luck in your next step. I hope you make yourself even better (keep coaching at a higher level) for when we shake off this jumbie administration and hopefully shake of the jumbies in the next administration so we could bring you back again and hopefully you give us a chance again. To make T&T take three steps forward after two steps back. Thanks for all the work you put in for us fans, you brought pride back to us. We wish Dennis well too as a son of the soil, but all true fans will yearn for your return.

Actually it was the first 32 minutes and I was in awe, I thought I was watching some version of Holland.
Had never seen TT play a top team and look so refined - away from home to boot.

According to Levi Garcia they got tired in the second half...steuups.

VB

Man is just straight class...DJW that big stink pig boy ayeeee
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: soccerman on September 07, 2018, 11:16:01 AM
That Canadian league could be an opportunity for some our local players that want to play abroad. Hart having open tryouts.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Flex on October 19, 2018, 12:47:10 AM
Coach Hart: Canadian league ideal for T&T players.
By Yohance Simonette (Newsday).


FORMER T&T and current Halifax (HFX) Wanderers Football club coach Stephen Hart, has suggested the upcoming Canadian Premier League (CPL), scheduled to kick off in April 2019, is an ideal new professional league for Caribbean players, who have found it difficult to get into Europe’s various leagues.

Hart, who coached the Soca Warriors from 2013-2016, was announced in June as coach of HFX Wanderers, which is one of the seven CPL franchise teams including : York9 FC (York, Ontario), Forge FC (Hamilton, Ontario), FC Edmonton (Edmonton, Alberta), Calvary FC (Calgary, Alberta), Valour FC (Winnipeg, Manitoba) and Pacific FC (Langford, British Colombia).

Before Hart’s coaching tenure with his native T&T, when the Soca Warriors qualified for the 2006 World Cup, under Dutchman Leo Beenhakker, this great achievement was strongly built on a generation of players, who played professionally in Europe, led by famous names such as Dwight Yorke and Shaka Hislop namely.

Similar too can be said of Caribbean rivals the Jamaica Reggae Boyz when they played in the 1998 World Cup. Both teams inability to qualify for the flagship FIFA tournament since has a strong direct correlation to few players playing in the elite European Leagues and of late not so much in Major League Soccer (MLS).

“I think it’s important for everyone to understand that CPL is a brand new league and just judging from the try-outs (CPL got game trails) that we have been having, they are many players from the Caribbean and Latin America that have been trying out”, said Hart.

“It’s one of those situations where opportunity does exist. For the players from Trinidad & Tobago when you understand how difficult it has been to get into Europe camped to the past due to work permit that are necessary it is an avenue to get into the USA market and been seen more easier and regularly without a doubt.”

Due to the players’ inability to get into Europe, during Hart’s time coaching the Soca Warriors, many players were forced to go into the Middle East and Asian leagues to play professionally.

Some T&T players who have played in Canada in recent times include, defenders Carlyle Mitchell (Vancouver White and FC Edmonton), Jelani Peters, Tristan Hodge, Ricardo John and Aikim Andrews (all Toronto FC 2).

Hart acknowledge while the CPL could offer in some cases easier travel home and easy cultural assimilation due to Caribbean heritage population in Canada, he noted some unique Canadian conditions will provide their own challenges. “Another thing players will have to be cognizant of is the travel in Canada considering it’s a massive continent”, said Hart.

“Then of course pre-season in the winter will be different, playing indoors and with the league being east to west in, despite sounding exciting, it does put wear and tear on the body for players, who are potentially lucky enough to be chosen, but these are things one has to adapt to if they want to be professional in the CPL.”

Finally, from a personal career standpoint, Hart noted he was happy to be back coaching and is excited by what the new career challenge will bring to him.

“I’ve always been happiest on the football field coaching, working with players, this is a completely new situation for me because I’m also the general manager (HFX Wanderers) and learning all the dynamics of building a club, stadium operation and everything that goes with that.

“I’m finding it very interesting so far and enjoying it very much.”

“Now I’m in a position where I can put a team together with my own ideas. But I’m under no illusions, I’ve told club owners I’d like to build something overtime if I am given the time, because it is very difficult to put a brand new team together and get it correct right off the bat.

“A lot of MLS clubs, for example, it took them quite a while to find their feet and to get things perfectly how they wanted to be successful on the field. So with a completely brand new league and team you just have to be patient and take it one step at a time.”

Title: The Hart of the Wanderers: First Edition
Post by: Tallman on November 06, 2018, 10:51:47 AM
The Hart of the Wanderers: First Edition
By Gareth Hampshire (hfxwanderersfc.canpl.ca)


In our new column, HFX Wanderers FC Head Coach Stephen Hart takes us behind the scenes at the club as he begins to build a team for the Canadian Premier League.

You are building a team from scratch which means trying to sign a squad of 23 players. Where do you start with a task like that?
There are certain fundamentals to building a team. Obviously the spine of the team is a big focus for me. The goalkeeping position is very important. The centre back position is where you need someone with organizational experience because so much of defending is about communication. A strong central midfielder is a key part of any team and a striker who can score goals to finish off everything that you do. That’s how you layout your shopping list.

How challenging is it trying to find the pieces to this shopping list?
It’s challenging but exciting at the same time. How many people get an opportunity to build team from scratch? Sometimes you come into a team and the team has its own identity but here we’re creating a team and a club that we want to be identified with playing in a certain manner. So here we’re setting the trend for that. We’re establishing our team and will be indoctrinating the players into the expectations of the club and the way they approach the game.

What kind of team identity are you trying to create for the Wanderers?
I am trying to go after players that play in a certain manner and have a certain mentality. Their attitude to training is critical. For me, everything revolves around training because if you get it wrong in training you won’t get it right on game day, I don’t care who you are. I’m speaking to a lot of players’ agents. I’ve had about four or five on the phone today and it’s not even noon yet. But you don’t know the attitude of the players from those conversations, so I like to look at performances in games. I’ve been looking at a lot of game footage on video. I want characters who will represent the club well on and off the pitch.

It sounds like you are already trying to sign players! Are you?
I have had lots of discussions with players and we have made some verbal agreements. Some of those agreements are for players we would like to sign to contracts and others are for players we want to bring into a trial process. I think the fans could be excited by some of these players. But it’s still very early and those verbal agreements could mean very little as those players are still being shopped around and could end up elsewhere. We won’t be able to actually sign players until January and I want to have at least half the squad signed by the middle of February.

What are the other big priorities for you in building this first Wanderers team?
Making sure I have staff alongside me. You need an assistant. You want someone who does not always agree with everything you do. Someone who has a different opinion and approach. I don’t want someone just to say yes. You also need someone who works with the goalkeepers because they’re a big part of the team but require specialist training. The equipment manager is extremely important for any club and I will also need someone who can handle the logistics of the team doing things like booking flights, hotels and making sure things happen smoothly off the pitch. Finding the right people for these positions at the club is going to be as important as finding the right players for the Wanderers. 

Stephen Hart is the Head Coach and General Manager of HFX Wanderers FC

You can follow him on twitter @WatchfulEye64 (http://www.twitter.com/WatchfulEye64)
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Tallman on November 23, 2018, 01:53:50 PM
Wanderers head coach Stephen Hart praised by CPL rivals (https://hfxwanderersfc.canpl.ca/article/wanderers-head-coach-stephen-hart-praised-by-cpl-rivals)
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Cocorite on November 23, 2018, 02:57:47 PM
Wanderers head coach Stephen Hart praised by CPL rivals (https://hfxwanderersfc.canpl.ca/article/wanderers-head-coach-stephen-hart-praised-by-cpl-rivals)

This is when some Trinis will "Believe that Hart is as special a coach as he is" because massa give his blessings on him. . .
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on November 23, 2018, 03:15:41 PM
Wanderers head coach Stephen Hart praised by CPL rivals (https://hfxwanderersfc.canpl.ca/article/wanderers-head-coach-stephen-hart-praised-by-cpl-rivals)

This is when some Trinis will "Believe that Hart is as special a coach as he is" because massa give his blessings on him. . .

How we go live without Massa? Below Massa is a set of professional bullies and bouncers.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: maxg on November 23, 2018, 10:18:56 PM
Wanderers head coach Stephen Hart praised by CPL rivals (https://hfxwanderersfc.canpl.ca/article/wanderers-head-coach-stephen-hart-praised-by-cpl-rivals)

This is when some Trinis will "Believe that Hart is as special a coach as he is" because massa give his blessings on him. . .

How we go live without Massa? Below Massa is a set of professional bullies and bouncers.
And Massa keep setting the thing up so he go win...maybe we should stop playing   :D ;D :rotfl:
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Sam on November 28, 2018, 02:09:46 PM
Thanks to Stephen Hart we qualify for a next Gold Cup.

2019

 ;D
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: lefty on November 19, 2019, 05:47:08 PM
Well he won his case and now TTFA $5M more in d hole
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Flex on November 20, 2019, 01:30:49 AM
TTFA must fork out $5m for Hart.
By Derek Achong (Guardian).


For­mer na­tion­al team coach Stephen Hart has won his US$742,444 (TT$5 mil­lion) law­suit against the T&T Foot­ball As­so­ci­a­tion (TTFA) over un­paid salary and ben­e­fits from his three-year stint in charge of the So­ca War­riors.

Dur­ing a hear­ing at the Hall of Jus­tice in Port-of-Spain yes­ter­day, High Court Judge Eleanor Don­ald­son-Hon­ey­well grant­ed Hart a de­fault judge­ment against the TTFA af­ter it failed to reg­is­ter a de­fence to his claim.

The out­come in the case comes two months af­ter for­mer TTFA tech­ni­cal di­rec­tor Kendall Walkes al­so won US$783,000 for be­ing wrong­ful­ly dis­missed by TTFA pres­i­dent David John-Williams and the as­so­ci­a­tion’s ex­ec­u­tive in March 2016.

Sim­i­lar law­suits, al­beit for less­er com­pen­sa­tion, have al­so been won by the as­so­ci­a­tion’s for­mer tech­ni­cal staff over the past few years. The cash-strapped as­so­ci­a­tion has al­so faced lit­i­ga­tion from sup­pli­ers over un­paid bills for goods and ser­vices pre­vi­ous­ly pro­vid­ed.

In his law­suit, Hart on­ly sought to re­coup his salary and ben­e­fits un­der his con­tract and not ad­di­tion­al dam­ages for the TTFA’s con­duct in his case.

Ac­cord­ing to his state­ment of case, Hart was not paid his US$20,000 per month salary from Sep­tem­ber to Oc­to­ber 2015 and from Sep­tem­ber and No­vem­ber 2016. Hart, who cur­rent­ly coach­es the Hal­i­fax Wan­der­ers in Cana­da, al­so claimed for the US$25,000 per month salary he would have earned be­tween De­cem­ber 2016 and De­cem­ber 2018 if his con­tract was not ter­mi­nat­ed in No­vem­ber 2016.

His lawyers, Kei­th Scot­land, Reah Sookhai and Sher­iza Khan, con­tend­ed that he was en­ti­tled to the pay­ment as he was wrong­ful­ly ter­mi­nat­ed with­out rea­sons be­ing giv­en.

“The de­fen­dant has not on­ly failed to give rea­sons for its de­ci­sion to ter­mi­nate the claimant and al­low the claimant a just and fair op­por­tu­ni­ty to de­fend him­self against any al­le­ga­tions war­rant­i­ng ter­mi­na­tion but the de­fen­dant failed to pay the claimant the fringe ben­e­fits ow­ing due to the place­ment in the hexag­o­nal, in breach of claus­es three and eight of the con­tract, in breach of the con­tract,” his lawyers claimed.

In ad­di­tion to the US$10,000 bonus for lead­ing to the team to the Hexag­o­nal stage of CON­CA­CAF World Cup qual­i­fi­ca­tion, Hart al­so claimed for US$7,444 in trav­el, food and bag­gage ex­pens­es he in­curred be­tween 2015 and 2016.

Hart, a for­mer na­tion­al play­er, was the head coach of the Cana­di­an team be­fore tak­ing over the lo­cal job in June 2013. He led T&T in two rel­a­tive­ly suc­cess­ful Gold Cup cam­paigns in 2013 and 2015, where the team made it to the knock­out stage on both oc­ca­sions. But Hart was even­tu­al­ly sacked af­ter T&T were elim­i­nat­ed from the fi­nal round of qual­i­fy­ing for the 2018 World Cup in Rus­sia. At the time, his record was 16 wins, 12 draws and 15 loss­es in 43 match­es.

Hart was briefly re­placed by Bel­gian coach Tom Saint­fi­et, who re­signed af­ter the team man­aged just one win and three loss­es dur­ing a 35-day pe­ri­od.

In Jan­u­ary 2017, for­mer na­tion­al play­er Den­nis Lawrence was hired. Lawrence has not fared any bet­ter than his pre­de­ces­sors, as his team has on­ly been able to muster five wins and sev­en draws in 31 match­es with him at the helm.

The TTFA has been al­so or­dered to pay Hart’s le­gal costs for bring­ing the law­suit.

In a brief in­ter­view with Guardian Me­dia yes­ter­day af­ter­noon, Hart, who flew in­to the coun­try for the judge­ment, said he was hap­py with the out­come.

While he ad­mit­ted that se­cur­ing his com­pen­sa­tion may take some time based on the as­so­ci­a­tion’s pre­car­i­ous fi­nan­cial sit­u­a­tion, he was still pleased to get past the first hur­dle in his le­gal bat­tle.

“I am re­al­ly and tru­ly grate­ful to all those who worked hard to bring this to a con­clu­sion be­cause it has been three years and it has not been easy for me and my fam­i­ly,” Hart said.

Asked why he did not seek ad­di­tion­al com­pen­sa­tion in the case for dam­age to his rep­u­ta­tion, Hart said he was on­ly con­cerned with what he was owed con­trac­tu­al­ly.

“I hold no re­al ill feel­ings. I am just hap­py that this part of it is over be­cause it has been a long wait,” he said.

Hart al­so de­clined to com­ment on the cur­rent state of the na­tion­al team.

“It is dif­fi­cult to com­ment on that be­cause I am on the out­side look­ing in. It is not my place to com­ment on oth­er peo­ple’s work and the pro­gram­ming of na­tion­al teams be­cause I am not privy to that sort of in­for­ma­tion,” Hart said.

RELATED NEWS

Court orders TTFA to pay Hart $5m.
By Jelani Beckles (Newsday).


THE High Court has ordered the TT Football Association (TTFA) to pay former Trinidad and Tobago senior men's coach Stephen Hart $5 million.

Hart was fired in November 2016 after leading TT for three and a half years. On Tuesday, Justice Eleanor Donaldson-Honeywell ordered the TTFA to pay the funds owed to Hart. It was a judgment in default as the TTFA did not put in a defence.

Hart was sacked after Trinidad and Tobago started the final round of Concacaf 2018 World Cup qualifying on a losing note, falling 0-2 to Costa Rica and 1-3 to Honduras.

When Hart was let go, Trinidad and Tobago were in fifth position, on the six-team standings, in the final round of Concacaf World Cup qualifying. Hart coached TT in 43 matches, leading them to 16 wins, nine draws and 17 losses

After Hart was fired, TTFA president David John-Williams explained the decision on TV station Sportsmax.
“I am on record saying that Stephen Hart is going to be judged by his results in competitive games and not friendly games. World Cup qualifying is a result-oriented business and I am on record saying that Stephen Hart is going to be judged by the results on the pitch and the results on the pitch have not been very good,” John-Williams said.

Among Hart's achievements was guiding the national team to the knockout stage at successive Gold Cup competitions (2013, 2015) with TT even topping their group in 2015.

Following the dismissal of Hart, the TTFA hired the relatively unknown Belgian Tom Saintfiet. After 35 days in charge and guiding T&T to one win and three losses he resigned.

Former national defender Dennis Lawrence was hired in January 2017 and is still the coach. Under Lawrence, Trinidad and Tobago have struggled to string together favourable results with a record of six wins, eight draws and 20 losses in 34 matches.

Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: pull stones on November 20, 2019, 04:10:29 AM
And there are people talking bout hart coming back, haha! coming back my foot, hart don’t want no parts of this nightmare. can you picture him coming back when he had to go through the courts to get what was owed to him and that was during ray timkee’s tenure who was a friendly boss to hart? sorry I just can’t see that happening again and if it does happen then shame on steven hart, but I seriously doubt it.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: soccerman on November 20, 2019, 09:23:29 AM
Quote
After Hart was fired, TTFA president David John-Williams explained the decision on TV station Sportsmax.
“I am on record saying that Stephen Hart is going to be judged by his results in competitive games and not friendly games. World Cup qualifying is a result-oriented business and I am on record saying that Stephen Hart is going to be judged by the results on the pitch and the results on the pitch have not been very good,” John-Williams said.
We live in a time where all the people of T&T want is instant gratification....oh the irony :devil:
Title: Justice for Hart
Post by: Tallman on November 20, 2019, 11:52:30 AM
Justice for Hart
By Narissa Fraser (T&T Guardian)


FORMER national football captain Kenwyne Jones says he is happy at the news that the T&T Football Association (TTFA) must pay former senior men’s coach Stephen Hart for wrongful dismissal and unpaid salaries and bonuses.

At a High Court ruling yesterday, Justice Eleanor Donaldson-Honeywell ordered the TTFA to pay Hart $5 million. The association did not provide a defence.

Hart was fired in November 2016 after a three-year tenure under the current TTFA president David John-Williams. He led the team to the knockout stage at the 2013 and 2015 Gold Cups. T&T were 78th in FIFA’s world rankings under his leadership. The team is now ranked 93rd.

His dismissal came just after T&T began the final round of Concacaf 2018 World Cup qualifiers, falling 0-2 to Costa Rica and 1-3 to Honduras.

Many local football fans questioned the decision and found it unjust as no proper explanation was given.

Speaking with Newsday yesterday afternoon, Jones said, “It (playing under Hart) was wonderful. At different stages of your life and career, you find niches with team-mates, coaches, personnel, and I think at that time he came in at the right time to breathe fresh, new life into TT football.”

Asked for his thoughts on the court ruling, he said, “I would say justice. I think he definitely deserves his payment for wrongful dismissal. The entire scenario was a bit sketchy but it wasn’t a surprise to me because from the moment the elections passed and we had a new president, we started running into problems off the field.”

In November 2015, John-Williams replaced Raymond Tim Kee as TTFA head.

Jones continued, “So, in the end I’m happy to see that he’s successful in this judgment and, in the end, maybe the ends don’t justify the means but at the same time, we also lost a great son of the soil in the coaching capacity for TT.”

Within Jones’ 17 years as a professional footballer, he represented the senior men’s national team between 2003 and 2017 and was part of the squad that qualified for the 2006 FIFA World Cup in Germany. Locally, he has played for clubs like Joe Public and W Connection, and he also played for international clubs including Southampton FC, Sunderland FC, Stoke City FC, Cardiff City and AFC Bournemouth.

And in 2017, he decided to hang up his boots, retiring at age 33.

During a rough patch in 2016, the striker received a lot of criticism from the public, but was defended by the head coach. Following Hart’s dismissal, the TTFA hired Belgian Tom Saintfiet, who resigned after 35 days. The team earned one win and three losses under his leadership.

Former national defender Dennis Lawrence, whose goal booked T&T’s spot in the 2006 World Cup, was hired as head coach in January 2017.

Asked what he thinks of the current administration, Jones said, “I try to stay away from the noise. I think a lot of people have a lot of different grumbles towards the new association.

“I think the evidence is there for everyone to see what is going on. Also, I think there are a lot of underlying issues because as a past player I think our entire association – not necessarily meaning the current administration or the administration to come is at fault. For quite a long time, our federation hasn’t been run properly.”

He said the association is “falling down” in many areas, including implication of policies and protocol. He believes the downfall of T&T football was a “long time coming.”

“At the time he (Hart) came in, we did enough to at least pave off the downfall that is happening now. We papered the cracks by almost qualifying for the World Cup in 1973 and 1989, and then we papered the cracks a little bit in qualifying in 2006.

“But since then, I don’t think the nation as whole has moved into proper development in all areas of football players and sportsmen and sportswomen in the country.”

In a Sportsmax interview after Hart was fired, John-Williams said the ex-coach was being judged by results in competitive games and not friendlies. He said, “World Cup qualifying is a result-oriented business and I am on record saying that Stephen Hart is going to be judged by the results on the pitch and the results on the pitch have not been very good.”

Hart coached T&T for 43 matches, leading them to 16 wins, nine draws and 17 losses. Current head coach, Lawrence, has struggled to string together favourable results and holds a record of six wins, eight draws and 20 losses in 34 matches. The most recent win was against Anguilla – one of FIFA’s lowest-ranked teams – who were demolished 15-0. And the most recent loss was, on Sunday, when Honduras won 4-0, ending the team’s Concacaf Nations League campaign.

Asked if the TTFA boss’ explanation had been sufficient, Jones said, “To be honest, in life, I think sometimes the things we say when we want to commit whatever actions that we deem necessary, we tend to justify it at that point and then later on, life is so funny that it proves you otherwise.

“The downfall of our football didn’t just happen this year or last year. The overall output of the association in terms of the development of football needs to be better.”

John-Williams will be aiming to retain his presidency at the association’s elections on November 24. He will go up against Secondary Schools Football president William Wallace and owner of Terminix La Horquetta Rangers Richard Ferguson.
Title: Ferguson, Wallace on TTFA court ruling: If we win, we will pay
Post by: Tallman on November 20, 2019, 12:19:40 PM
Ferguson, Wallace on TTFA court ruling: If we win, we will pay
By Narissa Fraser (T&T Newsday)


T&T FOOTBALL Association (TTFA) presidential candidates William Wallace and Richard Ferguson said if successful in the association’s elections, on Sunday, they will oblige with yesterday’s High Court ruling in favour of former senior men’s national coach Stephen Hart.

Wallace is the president of the Secondary Schools Football League and Ferguson is the owner of local club Terminix La Horquetta Rangers.

At a High Court ruling, Justice Eleanor Donaldson-Honeywell ordered the TTFA to pay Hart $5 million. The association did not give a defence.

Hart was fired in November 2016 after a three-year tenure under the current TTFA president David John-Williams, who is aiming to retain presidency. He led the team to the knockout stage at the 2013 and 2015 Gold Cups, and T&T were 78th in FIFA’s world rankings under his leadership. The team is now ranked 93rd. Speaking with Newsday Tuesday afternoon, Ferguson said if he wins, there is “no other option” than to find the money and pay. “Well if it’s a court judgment, we have to pay. There’s only one course of action and that is you have to follow the court, and you have to pay the judgment. That’s it.

“I don’t know the financial state of TTFA at the moment, it’s only if I win and if we go in there, we have to do a financial analysis and we might probably have to do a financial reconstruction. But you have to pay the debt, you have to pay the players, you must pay your debt or you can’t run.

Wallace told Newsday he was not surprised at the ruling. He said it was expected based on his knowledge of what occurred.

“I know that Stephen Hart had a proper contract. I also know he attempted to try to compromise by asking that he be paid (for) two of his remaining years, and that a decision was made instead of that.”

TTFA’s former technical director, Kendall Walkes, sued the association after he was fired from his post after less than one year on the job. In September, a court ruling ordered the TTFA to pay him US$783,000.

He was fired from the post in 2015 and sued the TTFA for breach of contract.

Asked how his administration plans to deal with the debt if he becomes president, Wallace said, “That’s a very good question. Between Kendall Walkes and Stephen, that’s $10 million in debt.

“We will definitely have to sit with Kendall and Stephen and work out a payment plan. Of course, we accept that we owe the money, we accept that we have to pay it, and we have to sit with both parties and work out a payment plan.”
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on November 20, 2019, 12:28:01 PM
SH is a patriot for not pursuing damages. But, right about now a damning damages ruling would be helpful in condemning DJW to being a historical footnote come November 24.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on November 20, 2019, 01:18:29 PM
Ferguson, Wallace on TTFA court ruling: If we win, we will pay
By Narissa Fraser (T&T Newsday)


T&T FOOTBALL Association (TTFA) presidential candidates William Wallace and Richard Ferguson said if successful in the association’s elections, on Sunday, they will oblige with yesterday’s High Court ruling in favour of former senior men’s national coach Stephen Hart.

Wallace is the president of the Secondary Schools Football League and Ferguson is the owner of local club Terminix La Horquetta Rangers.

At a High Court ruling, Justice Eleanor Donaldson-Honeywell ordered the TTFA to pay Hart $5 million. The association did not give a defence.

Hart was fired in November 2016 after a three-year tenure under the current TTFA president David John-Williams, who is aiming to retain presidency. He led the team to the knockout stage at the 2013 and 2015 Gold Cups, and T&T were 78th in FIFA’s world rankings under his leadership. The team is now ranked 93rd. Speaking with Newsday Tuesday afternoon, Ferguson said if he wins, there is “no other option” than to find the money and pay. “Well if it’s a court judgment, we have to pay. There’s only one course of action and that is you have to follow the court, and you have to pay the judgment. That’s it.

“I don’t know the financial state of TTFA at the moment, it’s only if I win and if we go in there, we have to do a financial analysis and we might probably have to do a financial reconstruction. But you have to pay the debt, you have to pay the players, you must pay your debt or you can’t run.

Wallace told Newsday he was not surprised at the ruling. He said it was expected based on his knowledge of what occurred.

“I know that Stephen Hart had a proper contract. I also know he attempted to try to compromise by asking that he be paid (for) two of his remaining years, and that a decision was made instead of that.”

TTFA’s former technical director, Kendall Walkes, sued the association after he was fired from his post after less than one year on the job. In September, a court ruling ordered the TTFA to pay him US$783,000.

He was fired from the post in 2015 and sued the TTFA for breach of contract.

Asked how his administration plans to deal with the debt if he becomes president, Wallace said, “That’s a very good question. Between Kendall Walkes and Stephen, that’s $10 million in debt.

“We will definitely have to sit with Kendall and Stephen and work out a payment plan. Of course, we accept that we owe the money, we accept that we have to pay it, and we have to sit with both parties and work out a payment plan.”

Ms. Fraser, when a Google search for "FIFA world rankings" or similar term, is conducted, the search defaults to the April 2019 rankings as the first search result. Trinidad and Tobago is in fact ranked #102 effective October 2019. However, when the new ranking is published ~next week, do not be surprised to find that that position has declined.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: vb on November 20, 2019, 01:20:43 PM
So you mean in addition to the money they ow Latapy, Marvin Faustin and Hutson Charles (I think Anton Corneal too).

They have to find  A NEXT FIVE MILLION DOLLARS.

Good luck to SH as to when he receives this money. Good luck to the (I hope) new TTFA Pres in resolving this latrine of a mess.

VB
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Controversial on November 20, 2019, 03:18:02 PM
Hart will get his money and most likely coach our team again to the wc unbothered by the sell outs

It’s a long shot but worth putting out there...
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: pull stones on November 20, 2019, 03:45:05 PM
Hart will get his money and most likely coach our team again to the wc unbothered by the sell outs

It’s a long shot but worth putting out there...
there you go again with your man crush. I’ve seen some tabancas in life where fellers even tried to kill themselves but boy you’ve got it real bad, you’ve been carrying this tabanca for years now and I still can’t believe you won’t give it up, how did you ever possibly sleep at night?
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: sjahrain on November 20, 2019, 05:17:35 PM
It was wrong that he was fired under false pretense and it needs to be corrected...l also will love to see him return...is he inclined...thats the 5 million dollar question
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: pull stones on November 20, 2019, 05:45:46 PM
It was wrong that he was fired under false pretense and it needs to be corrected...l also will love to see him return...is he inclined...thats the 5 million dollar question
i want a new face either from Europe or south america, a proven winners and not another experiment.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on November 20, 2019, 08:01:42 PM
WATCH: The TTFA must fork out $5m to former Soca Warriors head coach Stephen Hart for wrongful dismissal


https://youtube.com/v/yjwaGOmbHlk
Title: Hart says ‘We didn’t get to finish what we started’
Post by: Tallman on November 21, 2019, 08:36:35 PM
Hart says ‘We didn’t get to finish what we started’
By Narissa Fraser (T&T Newsday)


FORMER senior men’s national coach Stephen Hart says he is glad the court process for his lawsuit against the TT Football Association (TTFA) is over, but he believes the team did not get to “finish what they started” under his tenure.

At a High Court ruling, on Tuesday, Justice Eleanor Donaldson-Honeywell ordered the TTFA to pay Hart $5 million for wrongful dismissal and unpaid salaries and bonuses. The TTFA offered no defence.

Hart took up the job of head coach in June 2013 but was fired in November 2016 under current TTFA president David John-Williams, who was elected in 2015.

He filed the action against the TTFA in 2017. The money owed to him does not include damages, as he did not seek additional compensation.

Speaking with Newsday yesterday, Hart said while he expected to win the case, he knew anything could happen. He said he still can’t believe it is finally over.

“I’m glad that segment of it is over. I mean, it took so many years to reach to this point.

“One segment of it is finished and I think there’s still a very long way to go. It’s one thing to win a judgment, it’s another thing completely to collect.”

Asked if he felt he could have achieved more with the team if he had remained head coach, he said, “To be honest with you, when you’re coaching or even when you’re a player, you always know you’re going to have some ups and downs.

“But I had a strong belief in those players. We had a good working relationship and I felt that we could have turned things around when certain players became healthy and were able to go again. That’s a big part of the game. But all of that is just speculation.”

He did not wish to give his thoughts on the state of TT’s national teams but said recent results are “self-explanatory.”

“I would rather not comment about that because I am not really privy to what’s going on on the inside.

“I don’t think it’s appropriate to comment about somebody else’s work and difficulties they might be facing.”

The current head coach is former national defender Dennis Lawrence. He began his tenure in January 2017 and has a record of six wins, eight draws and 20 losses in 34 matches.

Hart coached TT for 43 matches, leading them to 16 wins, nine draws and 17 losses.

On Tuesday Newsday spoke with former national captain Kenwyn Jones, who said Hart had breathed “fresh new life” into TT football during his tenure.

In response, Hart said the agreement between him and the players was that they were the ones responsible for “bringing the public back to football.”

“If you look at what it (the state of TT football) was when I came in, I think we were 100th in the (FIFA) world (rankings). We went up to 54th, I believe.

“But more importantly, we started to bring a certain joy to the public. The stands were packed.

“We had our ups and downs, but we were competitive, we qualified for the Hex (Hexagonal round of the Concacaf World Cup qualifiers).”

Hart’s dismissal came just after TT fell 0-2 to Costa Rica and 1-3 to Honduras in the Hexagonal round, with the team failing to qualify for the 2018 FIFA World Cup in Russia.

“The Hex was always going to a complicated situation – but not impossible. Those players and myself, along with my staff, we had a belief in each other that we could do it.

“And even though at the time we (staff) weren’t getting paid – the players didn’t know that we weren’t getting paid either – but we all felt we had a common goal to make things happen and to achieve. And unfortunately, we didn’t get to finish what we started.”

On the possibility of his returning as a national coach, he said, “That is another discussion completely, because when you come into a situation, you look at potential programming.

“When I came in the first time, I knew it was going to be extremely difficult, because I only had about ten days to prepare for the Gold Cup, and I was quite prepared to come in. And if things didn’t go well, then decisions were gonna be made.”

He led the team to the 2013 and 2015 Gold Cups, with the team reaching the knockout stage on both occasions.

“Fortunately, things went better than expected, and it created some sort of belief.“So I would have to look at a number of situations.”

Hart lives in Nova Scotia, Canada, and is head coach of FX Wanderers FC in the Canadian Premier League.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Cocorite on November 21, 2019, 11:54:28 PM
Make lil room for Contro dey . . . . . . . ;D

Allyuh know is now we going Worle Cup
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: pull stones on November 22, 2019, 12:57:47 AM
Please hart stay away. IMO it’s never good to look back and like in the proverbial words of the Rastas forward ever backward never. time for a fresh start and what better than a fair minded respectable no nonsense white man from europe ala benhakker or a hispanic from south america particularly argentina or uraguay.

these boys needs new ideas and a new situation to stimulate and inspire the players , and I believe a south american would understand the concacaf culture better than even us in concacaf and would implement a style better suited to deal with the central americans and the mexicans.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: maxg on November 22, 2019, 05:15:55 AM
Please hart stay away. IMO it’s never good to look back and like in the proverbial words of the Rastas forward ever backward never. time for a fresh start and what better than a fair minded respectable no nonsense white man from europe ala benhakker or a hispanic from south america particularly argentina or uraguay.

these boys needs new ideas and a new situation to stimulate and inspire the players , and I believe a south american would understand the concacaf culture better than even us in concacaf and would implement a style better suited to deal with the central americans and the mexicans.
You want some football or the mother of all court cases. I think at this point without any major future tournaments in any senior program, we can only buy local and cheap local. A primary school league coach, Holy Name convent coach and 2nd runner up in SSFl coach. Yuh can’t drink double black with sweedrink money. The way things going, Fifa might say carryon, and WASA lock off the water at we Home of football.( the cash well)
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: lefty on November 22, 2019, 08:05:37 AM
Please hart stay away. IMO it’s never good to look back and like in the proverbial words of the Rastas forward ever backward never. time for a fresh start and what better than a fair minded respectable no nonsense white man from europe ala benhakker or a hispanic from south america particularly argentina or uraguay.

these boys needs new ideas and a new situation to stimulate and inspire the players , and I believe a south american would understand the concacaf culture better than even us in concacaf and would implement a style better suited to deal with the central americans and the mexicans.
You want some football or the mother of all court cases. I think at this point without any major future tournaments in any senior program, we can only buy local and cheap local. A primary school league coach, Holy Name convent coach and 2nd runner up in SSFl coach. Yuh can’t drink double black with sweedrink money. The way things going, Fifa might say carryon, and WASA lock off the water at we Home of football.( the cash well)
Give Eve a chance and allow him to start over, there are players including stones boo boy dat should be phased out and maybe reduce the average age of d team....a new start and hopefully less repetitive bitching
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: pull stones on November 22, 2019, 08:11:59 AM
Please hart stay away. IMO it’s never good to look back and like in the proverbial words of the Rastas forward ever backward never. time for a fresh start and what better than a fair minded respectable no nonsense white man from europe ala benhakker or a hispanic from south america particularly argentina or uraguay.

these boys needs new ideas and a new situation to stimulate and inspire the players , and I believe a south american would understand the concacaf culture better than even us in concacaf and would implement a style better suited to deal with the central americans and the mexicans.
You want some football or the mother of all court cases. I think at this point without any major future tournaments in any senior program, we can only buy local and cheap local. A primary school league coach, Holy Name convent coach and 2nd runner up in SSFl coach. Yuh can’t drink double black with sweedrink money. The way things going, Fifa might say carryon, and WASA lock off the water at we Home of football.( the cash well)
thanks for saying what you said you have spoken like a typical trinidadian, no ideas no solutions no collective bargaining and nothing that spells progressive and forward thinking, and this is typically indicative of all the trinis who held power in every spare of this nation. they came in to our lives with nothing but an inflated ego and a hungry belly and by the time they left things were worst off than they found it.

MG. did you even follow this thing closely where lok loy and hartford was banging on DJW for his lack of transparency and at one point brought a vote of no confidence urging him to resign? lok loy then locked horns with dennis lawrence calling for his resignation claiming that he wasn’t the right man for the job based on a string of poor performances, and i want to believe it was even before the gold cup where lawrence still had my support, causing dennis to threaten lok loy with a pre action protocol if an apology was not in order.

my good friend, timkee hartford and lok loy is not going to sit back and allow any old goat to coach our team going forward, even if they have to take out a loan to make it happen, and i think you could take that to the bank and cash it. they probably already have a coach picked out and waiting to hit the ground running in case they beat DJW come sunday. these are businessmen you talking bout mate, not some power hungry autocratic federation president with a head strong country boy come to town inflated ego and void of ideas.

I will say no more on the subject so you can have your say, i’ll just wait for the next few weeks GW to sought things out on its own. me thinks interesting times are on its way.

Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: pull stones on November 22, 2019, 08:24:52 AM
Please hart stay away. IMO it’s never good to look back and like in the proverbial words of the Rastas forward ever backward never. time for a fresh start and what better than a fair minded respectable no nonsense white man from europe ala benhakker or a hispanic from south america particularly argentina or uraguay.

these boys needs new ideas and a new situation to stimulate and inspire the players , and I believe a south american would understand the concacaf culture better than even us in concacaf and would implement a style better suited to deal with the central americans and the mexicans.
You want some football or the mother of all court cases. I think at this point without any major future tournaments in any senior program, we can only buy local and cheap local. A primary school league coach, Holy Name convent coach and 2nd runner up in SSFl coach. Yuh can’t drink double black with sweedrink money. The way things going, Fifa might say carryon, and WASA lock off the water at we Home of football.( the cash well)
Give Eve a chance and allow him to start over, there are players including stones boo boy dat should be phased out and maybe reduce the average age of d team....a new start and hopefully less repetitive bitching
dont know anything about angus eve and his ability to coach. I’m aware that he had a few stints as a head coach in the national set up with the under 23 and other age groups that went no where. at this stage if i had the power to choose i personally would stay clear of coaches who have achieved nothing in their careers, we all saw where that got us (dennis, bertile, corneal, hart, gally, etc) compared to the one coach who won the champions league don leo who got us to the world cup on short notice and on his first try, and that’s just what we need.

as it stands our only hope of seeing the next gold cup is to gird up our loins get into battle mode and fight like mad dogs for one of the four spots left, we had the easy route and we blew it, now we have to fight up with teams like haiti and guatemala and we need a good general leading the lines, not another OJT local coach who has won nothing but a few SSFL titles. maybe i’m wrong about angus and he might possibly be exactly what the doctor ordered, but i wouldn’t chance it not after what we’ve been through with dennis the menace.

angus eve could be one for the future but he needs to start small and grow in stature. i say give him some more time in the oven to cook properly, but as of right now we need a battle tested decorated general, not a well trained lieutenant.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on November 22, 2019, 08:28:07 AM
Yuh say DJW is a HEAD strong country boy come to town? Right on de $$$. Thing is he would say he would ah never reach town but for his obstinacy and insistence - both attributes the "young residue" (see Jack's disquisition) shares with a certain publisher from Moruga.

He loves to push a town vs country HEAD, ah we vs dem HEAD, ah elite versus underclass HEAD, ah "dem in de way" HEAD with ah "leave meh alone allyuh ...allyuh trust meh ah know wha ah doing" HEAD, ah "in de fullness of time" HEAD, ah "I is ah smartman, allyuh is fools" HEAD,  and ah Messianic "I was destined to run this organization" head ...

This last one I acknowledge in part because he was destined to run the TTFA >>> into the ground.

Dahis real HEAD and no real progress.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: lefty on November 22, 2019, 09:57:23 AM
Please hart stay away. IMO it’s never good to look back and like in the proverbial words of the Rastas forward ever backward never. time for a fresh start and what better than a fair minded respectable no nonsense white man from europe ala benhakker or a hispanic from south america particularly argentina or uraguay.

these boys needs new ideas and a new situation to stimulate and inspire the players , and I believe a south american would understand the concacaf culture better than even us in concacaf and would implement a style better suited to deal with the central americans and the mexicans.
You want some football or the mother of all court cases. I think at this point without any major future tournaments in any senior program, we can only buy local and cheap local. A primary school league coach, Holy Name convent coach and 2nd runner up in SSFl coach. Yuh can’t drink double black with sweedrink money. The way things going, Fifa might say carryon, and WASA lock off the water at we Home of football.( the cash well)
Give Eve a chance and allow him to start over, there are players including stones boo boy dat should be phased out and maybe reduce the average age of d team....a new start and hopefully less repetitive bitching
dont know anything about angus eve and his ability to coach. I’m aware that he had a few stints as a head coach in the national set up with the under 23 and other age groups that went no where. at this stage if i had the power to choose i personally would stay clear of coaches who have achieved nothing in their careers, we all saw where that got us (dennis, bertile, corneal, hart, gally, etc) compared to the one coach who won the champions league don leo who got us to the world cup on short notice and on his first try, and that’s just what we need.

as it stands our only hope of seeing the next gold cup is to gird up our loins get into battle mode and fight like mad dogs for one of the four spots left, we had the easy route and we blew it, now we have to fight up with teams like haiti and guatemala and we need a good general leading the lines, not another OJT local coach who has won nothing but a few SSFL titles. maybe i’m wrong about angus and he might possibly be exactly what the doctor ordered, but i wouldn’t chance it not after what we’ve been through with dennis the menace.

angus eve could be one for the future but he needs to start small and grow in stature. i say give him some more time in the oven to cook properly, but as of right now we need a battle tested decorated general, not a well trained lieutenant.

dude u was wondering aloud about d original flat track bully himself Jamal in Eve brief stints his teams were  at least competitive in Concacaf, Jamal has never been competitive at concacaf, Eve won a few SSFL titles yes and I believe dat the quality of SSFL is way over hyped, but to go undefeated for two seasons in row has to count for something, levels notwithstanding and guess what many of the characteristics that dog trini football at all levels seem to be addressed in some form - Defending from the front, attacking from the back, unit play, speed, defenders dat actually look like they can defend, competence with the ball from back to front, we so called elite U15s ticked none of these boxes in their recent games.......sometimes yuh hadda apply context to situations when yuh have an idea and contextually Eve makes sense, if not d Seniors let him have d U20s to bring forward through d age groups as a longer term project. 
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: pull stones on November 22, 2019, 11:14:03 AM
Please hart stay away. IMO it’s never good to look back and like in the proverbial words of the Rastas forward ever backward never. time for a fresh start and what better than a fair minded respectable no nonsense white man from europe ala benhakker or a hispanic from south america particularly argentina or uraguay.

these boys needs new ideas and a new situation to stimulate and inspire the players , and I believe a south american would understand the concacaf culture better than even us in concacaf and would implement a style better suited to deal with the central americans and the mexicans.
You want some football or the mother of all court cases. I think at this point without any major future tournaments in any senior program, we can only buy local and cheap local. A primary school league coach, Holy Name convent coach and 2nd runner up in SSFl coach. Yuh can’t drink double black with sweedrink money. The way things going, Fifa might say carryon, and WASA lock off the water at we Home of football.( the cash well)
Give Eve a chance and allow him to start over, there are players including stones boo boy dat should be phased out and maybe reduce the average age of d team....a new start and hopefully less repetitive bitching
dont know anything about angus eve and his ability to coach. I’m aware that he had a few stints as a head coach in the national set up with the under 23 and other age groups that went no where. at this stage if i had the power to choose i personally would stay clear of coaches who have achieved nothing in their careers, we all saw where that got us (dennis, bertile, corneal, hart, gally, etc) compared to the one coach who won the champions league don leo who got us to the world cup on short notice and on his first try, and that’s just what we need.

as it stands our only hope of seeing the next gold cup is to gird up our loins get into battle mode and fight like mad dogs for one of the four spots left, we had the easy route and we blew it, now we have to fight up with teams like haiti and guatemala and we need a good general leading the lines, not another OJT local coach who has won nothing but a few SSFL titles. maybe i’m wrong about angus and he might possibly be exactly what the doctor ordered, but i wouldn’t chance it not after what we’ve been through with dennis the menace.

angus eve could be one for the future but he needs to start small and grow in stature. i say give him some more time in the oven to cook properly, but as of right now we need a battle tested decorated general, not a well trained lieutenant.

dude u was wondering aloud about d original flat track bully himself Jamal in Eve brief stints his teams were  at least competitive in Concacaf, Jamal has never been competitive at concacaf, Eve won a few SSFL titles yes and I believe dat the quality of SSFL is way over hyped, but to go undefeated for two seasons in row has to count for something, levels notwithstanding and guess what many of the characteristics that dog trini football at all levels seem to be addressed in some form - Defending from the front, attacking from the back, unit play, speed, defenders dat actually look like they can defend, competence with the ball from back to front, we so called elite U15s ticked none of these boxes in their recent games.......sometimes yuh hadda apply context to situations when yuh have an idea and contextually Eve makes sense, if not d Seniors let him have d U20s to bring forward through d age groups as a longer term project.
i remember angus about 8 yrs ago coaching an under 23 team that got demolished by mexico with the same defenders we have today who’s making the same dotish mistakes they made when they were amateurs (cyrus, bateau, williams), the appropriate question would be, what has angus eve done to fix his situation from eight yrs ago.

I remember Kerry baptiste being top scorer two years in a row for joe public and trent noel winning player of the year twice in succession when there was an outcry by the local fraternity concerning Kerry being ignored for foreign based players, they pressured the coach so much that he left the job and latapy came in and brought with him kerry and trent noel, Kerry scored only one goal in his many appearances and trent didn’t score a single goal.

a few years later the same thing happened this time it was willis plaza’s turn and how he was being ignored by the german coach in spite of his tremendous goal tally, he was here to save the national team and he’s being over looked for kenwin the boo boy. then Hudson Charles came in and right away put plaza on the team, not only did the lad under perform but he probably had maybe two competitive goals to his name, i think one was vs anguilla on a water logged pitch.

then again another savior arose to rescue trinidad and tobago senior team, this time it was Nathan lewis of jabloteh. the jablo coach cuss steven hart, dereck king and babba charles stink accusing them of bias against their starlet who was scoring goals like he found them on the side of the road, eventually hart relented and brought lewis on the team and it’s been 4 years now and he’s yet to sore in a competitive match.

you see this is the problem i have with TT football, we put the cart before the horse in that regard and delude ourselves into thinking that our standard of football is somehow just as good as anywhere else. I remember as a boy growing up playing in the savannah hearing the older fellers saying that we play a brazilian style of football in trinidad, poor me i’m a lad not knowing shite about football nor what’s taking place in the world of football so i ran with it.

then the world cup in argentina came up and I was left wondering why we weren’t there, being just as good as brazil we should be there, and it was only when I went to england that I learned that we were a rubbish team and couldn’t even beat costa rica, but listening to those men i would swear that we were tops in the world, and still, that mentality still pervade our society today. the truth is that we’re no where closer to a class team, and ask me why? because we don’t have the infrastructure nor did we put in the work necessary to even make us a regional contender, let alone world class.

I said all this to say....dereck king won two league titles back to back and he was touted as the up and coming starlet coach but given the chance to coach the national men’s senior team and he was left wanting, Jamal shabbaz won several titles with calidonia AIA and was hailed as the next don leo but got his tail handed to him by chivas, saprissa and Houston dynamo. the truth is and would always be that our little domestic play leagues is not a good enough gauge to measure success. we need to step out of this realm to accurately assess our success,

and until angus leaves these shores and test his knowledge against formidable opponents in the real world to see how his skill set matches up, i won’t take a chance on him just yet because from here on in every game we play is essential,  and we need to win them all if we are ever to see any competitive games in the next two years. what we need is another Leo benhakker and nothing else would do as of right now, and it would be irresponsible to take another chance on an unproven coach especially seeing that the huge mess we’re in ATM.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: lefty on November 22, 2019, 12:22:40 PM
Please hart stay away. IMO it’s never good to look back and like in the proverbial words of the Rastas forward ever backward never. time for a fresh start and what better than a fair minded respectable no nonsense white man from europe ala benhakker or a hispanic from south america particularly argentina or uraguay.

these boys needs new ideas and a new situation to stimulate and inspire the players , and I believe a south american would understand the concacaf culture better than even us in concacaf and would implement a style better suited to deal with the central americans and the mexicans.
You want some football or the mother of all court cases. I think at this point without any major future tournaments in any senior program, we can only buy local and cheap local. A primary school league coach, Holy Name convent coach and 2nd runner up in SSFl coach. Yuh can’t drink double black with sweedrink money. The way things going, Fifa might say carryon, and WASA lock off the water at we Home of football.( the cash well)
Give Eve a chance and allow him to start over, there are players including stones boo boy dat should be phased out and maybe reduce the average age of d team....a new start and hopefully less repetitive bitching
dont know anything about angus eve and his ability to coach. I’m aware that he had a few stints as a head coach in the national set up with the under 23 and other age groups that went no where. at this stage if i had the power to choose i personally would stay clear of coaches who have achieved nothing in their careers, we all saw where that got us (dennis, bertile, corneal, hart, gally, etc) compared to the one coach who won the champions league don leo who got us to the world cup on short notice and on his first try, and that’s just what we need.

as it stands our only hope of seeing the next gold cup is to gird up our loins get into battle mode and fight like mad dogs for one of the four spots left, we had the easy route and we blew it, now we have to fight up with teams like haiti and guatemala and we need a good general leading the lines, not another OJT local coach who has won nothing but a few SSFL titles. maybe i’m wrong about angus and he might possibly be exactly what the doctor ordered, but i wouldn’t chance it not after what we’ve been through with dennis the menace.

angus eve could be one for the future but he needs to start small and grow in stature. i say give him some more time in the oven to cook properly, but as of right now we need a battle tested decorated general, not a well trained lieutenant.

dude u was wondering aloud about d original flat track bully himself Jamal in Eve brief stints his teams were  at least competitive in Concacaf, Jamal has never been competitive at concacaf, Eve won a few SSFL titles yes and I believe dat the quality of SSFL is way over hyped, but to go undefeated for two seasons in row has to count for something, levels notwithstanding and guess what many of the characteristics that dog trini football at all levels seem to be addressed in some form - Defending from the front, attacking from the back, unit play, speed, defenders dat actually look like they can defend, competence with the ball from back to front, we so called elite U15s ticked none of these boxes in their recent games.......sometimes yuh hadda apply context to situations when yuh have an idea and contextually Eve makes sense, if not d Seniors let him have d U20s to bring forward through d age groups as a longer term project.
i remember angus about 8 yrs ago coaching an under 23 team that got demolished by mexico with the same defenders we have today who’s making the same dotish mistakes they made when they were amateurs (cyrus, bateau, williams), the appropriate question would be, what has angus eve done to fix his situation from eight yrs ago.

I remember Kerry baptiste being top scorer two years in a row for joe public and trent noel winning player of the year twice in succession when there was an outcry by the local fraternity concerning Kerry being ignored for foreign based players, they pressured the coach so much that he left the job and latapy came in and brought with him kerry and trent noel, Kerry scored only one goal in his many appearances and trent didn’t score a single goal.

a few years later the same thing happened this time it was willis plaza’s turn and how he was being ignored by the german coach in spite of his tremendous goal tally, he was here to save the national team and he’s being over looked for kenwin the boo boy. then Hudson Charles came in and right away put plaza on the team, not only did the lad under perform but he probably had maybe two competitive goals to his name, i think one was vs anguilla on a water logged pitch.

then again another savior arose to rescue trinidad and tobago senior team, this time it was Nathan lewis of jabloteh. the jablo coach cuss steven hart, dereck king and babba charles stink accusing them of bias against their starlet who was scoring goals like he found them on the side of the road, eventually hart relented and brought lewis on the team and it’s been 4 years now and he’s yet to sore in a competitive match.

you see this is the problem i have with TT football, we put the cart before the horse in that regard and delude ourselves into thinking that our standard of football is somehow just as good as anywhere else. I remember as a boy growing up playing in the savannah hearing the older fellers saying that we play a brazilian style of football in trinidad, poor me i’m a lad not knowing shite about football nor what’s taking place in the world of football so i ran with it.

then the world cup in argentina came up and I was left wondering why we weren’t there, being just as good as brazil we should be there, and it was only when I went to england that I learned that we were a rubbish team and couldn’t even beat costa rica, but listening to those men i would swear that we were tops in the world, and still, that mentality still pervade our society today. the truth is that we’re no where closer to a class team, and ask me why? because we don’t have the infrastructure nor did we put in the work necessary to even make us a regional contender, let alone world class.

I said all this to say....dereck king won two league titles back to back and he was touted as the up and coming starlet coach but given the chance to coach the national men’s senior team and he was left wanting, Jamal shabbaz won several titles with calidonia AIA and was hailed as the next don leo but got his tail handed to him by chivas, saprissa and Houston dynamo. the truth is and would always be that our little domestic play leagues is not a good enough gauge to measure success. we need to step out of this realm to accurately assess our success,

and until angus leaves these shores and test his knowledge against formidable opponents in the real world to see how his skill set matches up, i won’t take a chance on him just yet because from here on in every game we play is essential,  and we need to win them all if we are ever to see any competitive games in the next two years. what we need is another Leo benhakker and nothing else would do as of right now, and it would be irresponsible to take another chance on an unproven coach especially seeing that the huge mess we’re in ATM.

I will say it again his SSFL record should count for something, undefeated 2 seasons running, organized solid team building, again SSFL quality is overblown, but given our predicament and a firm belief that should the admin change we should wipe the slate and build from the bottom up, we gave a EUFA license holder with supposed exposure to European at that a high level that apparently learned nutten a chance, if we can only afford local, lets go with one that has ok win record, Shabazz got chance after chance Corneal and the list goes on and on. nobody is sayin d man is ah world beater he just have enough evidence out there to be deserving of an opportunity and no I don't consider him to be OJT at the point lacking International pedigree yeah definately but not OJT
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: pull stones on November 22, 2019, 07:25:07 PM
Please hart stay away. IMO it’s never good to look back and like in the proverbial words of the Rastas forward ever backward never. time for a fresh start and what better than a fair minded respectable no nonsense white man from europe ala benhakker or a hispanic from south america particularly argentina or uraguay.

these boys needs new ideas and a new situation to stimulate and inspire the players , and I believe a south american would understand the concacaf culture better than even us in concacaf and would implement a style better suited to deal with the central americans and the mexicans.
You want some football or the mother of all court cases. I think at this point without any major future tournaments in any senior program, we can only buy local and cheap local. A primary school league coach, Holy Name convent coach and 2nd runner up in SSFl coach. Yuh can’t drink double black with sweedrink money. The way things going, Fifa might say carryon, and WASA lock off the water at we Home of football.( the cash well)
Give Eve a chance and allow him to start over, there are players including stones boo boy dat should be phased out and maybe reduce the average age of d team....a new start and hopefully less repetitive bitching
dont know anything about angus eve and his ability to coach. I’m aware that he had a few stints as a head coach in the national set up with the under 23 and other age groups that went no where. at this stage if i had the power to choose i personally would stay clear of coaches who have achieved nothing in their careers, we all saw where that got us (dennis, bertile, corneal, hart, gally, etc) compared to the one coach who won the champions league don leo who got us to the world cup on short notice and on his first try, and that’s just what we need.

as it stands our only hope of seeing the next gold cup is to gird up our loins get into battle mode and fight like mad dogs for one of the four spots left, we had the easy route and we blew it, now we have to fight up with teams like haiti and guatemala and we need a good general leading the lines, not another OJT local coach who has won nothing but a few SSFL titles. maybe i’m wrong about angus and he might possibly be exactly what the doctor ordered, but i wouldn’t chance it not after what we’ve been through with dennis the menace.

angus eve could be one for the future but he needs to start small and grow in stature. i say give him some more time in the oven to cook properly, but as of right now we need a battle tested decorated general, not a well trained lieutenant.

dude u was wondering aloud about d original flat track bully himself Jamal in Eve brief stints his teams were  at least competitive in Concacaf, Jamal has never been competitive at concacaf, Eve won a few SSFL titles yes and I believe dat the quality of SSFL is way over hyped, but to go undefeated for two seasons in row has to count for something, levels notwithstanding and guess what many of the characteristics that dog trini football at all levels seem to be addressed in some form - Defending from the front, attacking from the back, unit play, speed, defenders dat actually look like they can defend, competence with the ball from back to front, we so called elite U15s ticked none of these boxes in their recent games.......sometimes yuh hadda apply context to situations when yuh have an idea and contextually Eve makes sense, if not d Seniors let him have d U20s to bring forward through d age groups as a longer term project.
i remember angus about 8 yrs ago coaching an under 23 team that got demolished by mexico with the same defenders we have today who’s making the same dotish mistakes they made when they were amateurs (cyrus, bateau, williams), the appropriate question would be, what has angus eve done to fix his situation from eight yrs ago.

I remember Kerry baptiste being top scorer two years in a row for joe public and trent noel winning player of the year twice in succession when there was an outcry by the local fraternity concerning Kerry being ignored for foreign based players, they pressured the coach so much that he left the job and latapy came in and brought with him kerry and trent noel, Kerry scored only one goal in his many appearances and trent didn’t score a single goal.

a few years later the same thing happened this time it was willis plaza’s turn and how he was being ignored by the german coach in spite of his tremendous goal tally, he was here to save the national team and he’s being over looked for kenwin the boo boy. then Hudson Charles came in and right away put plaza on the team, not only did the lad under perform but he probably had maybe two competitive goals to his name, i think one was vs anguilla on a water logged pitch.

then again another savior arose to rescue trinidad and tobago senior team, this time it was Nathan lewis of jabloteh. the jablo coach cuss steven hart, dereck king and babba charles stink accusing them of bias against their starlet who was scoring goals like he found them on the side of the road, eventually hart relented and brought lewis on the team and it’s been 4 years now and he’s yet to sore in a competitive match.

you see this is the problem i have with TT football, we put the cart before the horse in that regard and delude ourselves into thinking that our standard of football is somehow just as good as anywhere else. I remember as a boy growing up playing in the savannah hearing the older fellers saying that we play a brazilian style of football in trinidad, poor me i’m a lad not knowing shite about football nor what’s taking place in the world of football so i ran with it.

then the world cup in argentina came up and I was left wondering why we weren’t there, being just as good as brazil we should be there, and it was only when I went to england that I learned that we were a rubbish team and couldn’t even beat costa rica, but listening to those men i would swear that we were tops in the world, and still, that mentality still pervade our society today. the truth is that we’re no where closer to a class team, and ask me why? because we don’t have the infrastructure nor did we put in the work necessary to even make us a regional contender, let alone world class.

I said all this to say....dereck king won two league titles back to back and he was touted as the up and coming starlet coach but given the chance to coach the national men’s senior team and he was left wanting, Jamal shabbaz won several titles with calidonia AIA and was hailed as the next don leo but got his tail handed to him by chivas, saprissa and Houston dynamo. the truth is and would always be that our little domestic play leagues is not a good enough gauge to measure success. we need to step out of this realm to accurately assess our success,

and until angus leaves these shores and test his knowledge against formidable opponents in the real world to see how his skill set matches up, i won’t take a chance on him just yet because from here on in every game we play is essential,  and we need to win them all if we are ever to see any competitive games in the next two years. what we need is another Leo benhakker and nothing else would do as of right now, and it would be irresponsible to take another chance on an unproven coach especially seeing that the huge mess we’re in ATM.

I will say it again his SSFL record should count for something, undefeated 2 seasons running, organized solid team building, again SSFL quality is overblown, but given our predicament and a firm belief that should the admin change we should wipe the slate and build from the bottom up, we gave a EUFA license holder with supposed exposure to European at that a high level that apparently learned nutten a chance, if we can only afford local, lets go with one that has ok win record, Shabazz got chance after chance Corneal and the list goes on and on. nobody is sayin d man is ah world beater he just have enough evidence out there to be deserving of an opportunity and no I don't consider him to be OJT at the point lacking International pedigree yeah definately but not OJT
I’m not against giving angus the job but let him start with the under 20 and see if the results remain the same, no more fly by night decisions unless it’s a top coach like roberto de mateo, criss houton or miguel herrera. as i said there’s no time waste from here on in we have to win every single game, that’s the gift that dennis left us with, the creep couldn’t even beat martinique or draw with honduras at home.
Title: Hart demands his TT$5m from TTFA
Post by: Tallman on April 29, 2020, 08:12:06 PM
Hart demands his TT$5m from TTFA
By Derek Achong (T&T Guardian)


Two weeks after former national player Russell Latapy demanded from the T&TFA his US$6 million owed to him since 2009, another former national football coach Stephen Hart has demanded that the T&T Football Association (TTFA) pay him the US$742,444 (TT$5 million) in unpaid salary and benefits from his three-year stint in charge of the senior men's team by May 9.

In a letter sent to TTFA general secretary Ramesh Ramdhan on Monday, Hart's lawyer Keith Scotland indicated that his client intends to levy against the cash-strapped association in the event that it fails to meet the deadline.

The letter comes ousted TTFA executive members including former president William Wallace are currently engaged in proceedings before the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) over FIFA's decision to remove them from office and appoint a Normalisation Committee chaired by businessman Robert Hadad.

The former executive is also still currently engaged in legal discussions with the association's bank First Citizens Bank over control of its accounts.

In his lawsuit brought against the TTFA, Hart only sought to recoup his salary and benefits under his contracts and not additional damages for the TTFA's conduct in his case.

According to his case statement, Hart was not paid his US$20,000 per month salary from September to October 2015 and from September to November 2016.

Hart, who currently coaches Halifax Wanderers in Canada, also claimed for the US$25,000 per month salary, he would have earned between December 2016 and December 2018, if his contract was not terminated in November 2016.

His lawyers contended that he was entitled to the payment as he was wrongfully terminated without reasons being given.

In addition to the US$10,000 bonus for leading the team to the hexagonal stage of Concacaf World Cup qualification, Hart also claimed for US$7,444 in travel, food, and baggage expenses he incurred between 2015 and 2016.

In November, High Court Judge Eleanor Donaldson-Honeywell granted Hart a default judgement against the TTFA after it failed to register a defence to his claim.

The outcome came two months after former TTFA technical director Kendal Walkes won his US$783,000 over being wrongfully dismissed by former TTFA president David John-Williams and the association's executive in March 2016.

Similar lawsuits, albeit for lesser compensation, have been also won by the association's former technical staff over the past few years. The association has also faced litigation from suppliers over unpaid bills for goods and services previously provided.

Hart, a former national player, was head coach of the Canadian national team before taking over the local job in June 2013. He led the team in two relatively successful Gold Cup campaigns in 2013 and 2015, where the team made it to the knock out stage on both occasions.

Hart was eventually sacked after T&T was eliminated from the final round of qualifying for the 2018 World Cup in Russia. At the time his record was 16 wins, 12 draws and 15 losses in 43 matches.

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Former TTFA coach Stephen Hart demands unpaid salaries by May.
By Jada Loutoo (Newsday).


FORMER men’s national team coach Stephen Hart is demanding the $5 million owed to him for unpaid salaries and bonuses and has given the TT Football Association until May 9 to pay him.

Hart has also warned the TTFA’s general secretary, Ramesh Ramdhan, if he fails to pay or respond to his letter for payment, he will approach the high court for an order to levy on him or the company to recover the $5 million.

The ultimatum was given by Hart ‘s attorney Keith Scotland in a letter to Ramdhan on Monday.

Scotland reminded the TTFA’s general secretary of the default judgment in November 2019, in which Justice Eleanor Donaldson-Honeywell ordered the TTFA to pay to Hart US$742,444 for wrongful dismissal, unpaid salaries and bonus for various periods in 2015 and 2016.

Scotland demanded payment from the TTFA by May 9, telling Ramdhan failure to do so will result in Hart initiating further legal action to compel the local football body to do so.

“If you fail to respond to this letter by the date indicated, the undersigned will be making an application to the High Court for enforcement of the judgment against your company and/or the undersigned will be seeking to levy against you or your company to recover sums owed and due,” Scotland said.

Hart, who lives in Nova Scotia, Canada, filed the action in 2017, and received a judgment in default on November 19, 2019, after the TTFA failed to defend the lawsuit.

The amount the TTFA was ordered to pay was only what Hart said was owed to him, and did not include an award of damages, because he opted not to seek additional compensation. The former Soca Warriors coach was represented by attorneys Keith Scotland, Rhea Sookhai, and Sheriza Khan.

According to Hart’s case, his contract began on July 1, 2015, and a base compensation package of US$200,000 was agreed to until December 31, and US$25,000 from January 1, 2016, to December 31, 2018. He also claimed a hexagonal bonus of US$10,000, baggage and food expenses for 2015 in the amount of US$444, travel expenses for 2015-2016 for family visits and scouting of US$7,000, his salary from December 2016-December 2018 at US$25,000 per month, and $5,000 for short payment for July-August.

Hart’s lawsuit said the TTFA failed to pay him his base salary for September-October 2015 and was in breach of contract. The TTFA also short-paid him $5,000 from July-August 2015. He received none of his bonuses or other benefits, including traveling.

The lawsuit also said in November 2016, the TTFA gave Hart a one-month termination notice followed by a letter by former TTFA president David John-Williams, who said there was “just cause for termination,” and fired the coach with immediate effect. The next month, John-Williams wrote to Hart again, claiming the coach had agreed to part ways and on that assumption, the TTFA had chosen not to issue a termination letter.

Hart insisted under no circumstances was he in agreement. That month, he wrote to then TTFA’s general secretary Justin Latapy-George asking about the cancellation of his cellphone account, where and when to return his car, cancellation of cable and internet at the apartment he was staying in, and the time and date to vacate the apartment and give up the keys.

On December 19, 2016, Latapy-George, four days after he first responded to Hart, said the TTFA was incurring additional expenses as a result of Hart’s late departure from the apartment.

In January 2017, Hart’s attorneys wrote to the TTFA asking for a date to leave the apartment. There was no response. Hart’s attorneys also sent a pre-action protocol letter. The TTFA asked for more time to respond to it. There has been no response.

“Since the wrongful termination of his employment the claimant has failed to attain employment elsewhere,” the lawsuit said.

John-Williams was ousted as president of the football body at the executive’s elections in November 2019, by William Wallace and his team.

Subsequently, Wallace and his executive were removed on March 17 by FIFA who in turn set up a normalisation committee due to mounting debts accumulated by the TTFA.

This has been appealed by Wallace to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS).

Businessman Robert Hadad has been appointed by FIFA as chairman of the TTFA normalisation committee.

There is now a brewing legal battle between Wallace’s executive and the committee over the signatories to the TTFA’s bank accounts with the former declaring they were the sole signatories.

Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Tallman on May 11, 2020, 09:44:10 AM
WATCH: Stephen Hart of HFX Wanderers FC, considered by many to be the wisest manager in the Canadian Premier League, has a few words of advice to future managers, while emphasizing the importance of a strong environment in shaping the next generation of footballers in Canada.

https://www.youtube.com/v/0XrTFC_mYYs
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Tallman on May 18, 2020, 07:07:21 AM
Enforcement Time: Stephen Hart’s legal team ramps up litigation proceedings against TTFA
By Ian Prescott (T&T Express)


ATTORNEY Keith Scotland, representing former Trinidad and Tobago senior men’s football team coach Stephen Hart, is moving to collect on a US$742,444 judgment, as ordered by Justice Eleanor Donaldson-Honeywell in the High Court last November, against the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA).

With its bank account virtually emptied by a garnishee order on behalf of another creditor, former technical director Kendall Walkes, the TTFA has only one tangible asset, the FIFA-built Home of Football (HOF).

“We did not want to embarrass anybody,” said Scotland, adding, “but we have to do what we have to do.” Scotland had written to the TTFA late last month stating that the payment of outstanding debt be made no later than May 9 or, in default, legal action would be filed to enforce the judgment.

With no response of its intent by the TTFA, Hart’s legal team is moving forward with a ‘letter before execution’ as its next course to levy on the debt owed. “We are awaiting when we could approach the registry, so we can do our enforcement of our judgment,” Scotland informed the Trinidad Express.

Scotland expressed his disappointment over the TTFA’s lack of urgency in its response in the matter, given there is already a court judgment against them (the TTFA). “We have been very, very restrained,” Scotland noted. “But my client has instructed me now, that the time has come, to enforce the judgment and we are now in the process of doing that.”

Hart has not pursued damages against his former employers, but only outstanding monies owed. “Coach Hart has been very reasonable with the TTFA,” reiterated Scotland.

Scotland indicated that he would not be drawn into the current impasse involving the ousted William Wallace-led TTFA executive and FIFA— world football’s governing body, which named a Normalisation Committee, headed by Robert Hadad, to take charge of local football.

“I am dealing with the TTFA. When we write, we write to the official members,” said Scotland. “I am not getting into whatever shenanigans and imbroglio that has gripped the TTFA,” he added.

The bottom line, Scotland insists, is that “monies are outstanding and they need to be paid.”

Arguably the most successful coach in T&T football’s recent history, Hart led the Soca Warriors to successive CONCACAF Gold Cup quarter-final appearances in 2013 and 2015, and also the six-team ‘Hex’, which is the final stage of qualifying in the CONCACAF Zone, for the 2018 World Cup.

Hart’s contract was due to end in December 2018, but he was terminated as head coach two years earlier.

“I just want them to pay my client his just due and that is reasonable,” Scotland stated, adding, “He coached and he was reasonably successful. They unceremoniously, for whatever reason, dismissed him. Well, when you do that, there are consequences, and we have a judgment.”

In his claim, Hart was seeking US$742,000 in compensation representing salaries, bonuses, Hexagonal (World Cup qualifying) bonus and travel expenses. The TTFA had failed to pay Hart his base salary, for the period September to October 2015, of US$20,000 per month, and September to November 2016, of US$25,000 monthly, in accordance with clause three stated in his contract.

The TTFA had also given Hart a short payment of $5,000 for the period July to August 2015. As was stipulated in his contract, Hart also sought payment of salary from December 2016 to December 2018, at a rate of US$25,000 per month.

Hart was also entitled to bonuses, one of which was an additional remuneration of US$10,000, on condition that the national team placed in the Hexagonal tournament.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: maxg on May 18, 2020, 11:06:20 PM
Please hart stay away. IMO it’s never good to look back and like in the proverbial words of the Rastas forward ever backward never. time for a fresh start and what better than a fair minded respectable no nonsense white man from europe ala benhakker or a hispanic from south america particularly argentina or uraguay.

these boys needs new ideas and a new situation to stimulate and inspire the players , and I believe a south american would understand the concacaf culture better than even us in concacaf and would implement a style better suited to deal with the central americans and the mexicans.
You want some football or the mother of all court cases. I think at this point without any major future tournaments in any senior program, we can only buy local and cheap local. A primary school league coach, Holy Name convent coach and 2nd runner up in SSFl coach. Yuh can’t drink double black with sweedrink money. The way things going, Fifa might say carryon, and WASA lock off the water at we Home of football.( the cash well)
thanks for saying what you said you have spoken like a typical trinidadian, no ideas no solutions no collective bargaining and nothing that spells progressive and forward thinking, and this is typically indicative of all the trinis who held power in every spare of this nation. they came in to our lives with nothing but an inflated ego and a hungry belly and by the time they left things were worst off than they found it.

MG. did you even follow this thing closely where lok loy and hartford was banging on DJW for his lack of transparency and at one point brought a vote of no confidence urging him to resign? lok loy then locked horns with dennis lawrence calling for his resignation claiming that he wasn’t the right man for the job based on a string of poor performances, and i want to believe it was even before the gold cup where lawrence still had my support, causing dennis to threaten lok loy with a pre action protocol if an apology was not in order.

my good friend, timkee hartford and lok loy is not going to sit back and allow any old goat to coach our team going forward, even if they have to take out a loan to make it happen, and i think you could take that to the bank and cash it. they probably already have a coach picked out and waiting to hit the ground running in case they beat DJW come sunday. these are businessmen you talking bout mate, not some power hungry autocratic federation president with a head strong country boy come to town inflated ego and void of ideas.

I will say no more on the subject so you can have your say, i’ll just wait for the next few weeks GW to sought things out on its own. me thinks interesting times are on its way.


:-\ Bounced at the bank . Thank God or the devil many armchair analyst aren't typical Trinidadians.  Now, if we can get past this covid suffering, everything else will be smooth.  ::)

add: we even get ah no nonsense white fella as suggested, but he tun out to be a typical Trini. 
'what ah do wrong again'
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Flex on May 19, 2020, 06:59:19 AM
Hart's lawyer to change position on TTFA.
By Walter Alibey (Guardian).


A decision by the chairman of the FIFA-appointed Normalisation Committee, Robert Hadad, to reach out on Monday to Attorney Keith Scotland, who is representing former national football coach Stephen Hart, to deal with monies owed to his client, is set to alter a position to have the T&T Football Association (TTFA) levied on.

On Monday Scotland said they were heartened by the fact that someone from the Normalisation Committee has finally reached out to them and opened communication after Hart had been ignored by the embattled football association under David John-Williams for four years, although judgement was given in his favour, last year.

Justice Eleanor Donaldson-Honeywell, in the High Court last November, ruled against the TTFA, to pay Hart the sum of US$742,444 (an estimated TT$5 million) which represents monies for unpaid wages, bonuses etc, to Hart for his wrongful dismissal back in 2016.

The TTFA was given a deadline date of May 9 to pay, but there was no communication to Hart's lawyer, as the William Wallace-led administration was replaced by a normalisation committee of Hadad, a director of the HADCO Group of Companies, retired banker Nigel Romano, and attorney Judy Daniel, who is the deputy chairman. Two other persons are set to be appointed soon by the CONCACAF and FIFA.

Upon recognition that the accounts of the TTFA had been liquidated in an almost similar legal matter by then technical director Kendall Walkes in February and his legal team, Scotland had gotten fed up of the lack of communication by the TTFA to resolve the matter. He said they were considering levying on the "Home of Football" in Balmain, Couva to receive what was owed to his client.

“Remember this is a judgement. It is unfortunate that it took five years, where you dismissed a national coach by not honouring the obligations of his contract. I am heartened that someone from the normalisation committee has reached out, and because of this reaching out, we may amend our position,” said Scotland.

He did not say exactly what they were going to do, saying they had a plan of how they were going to proceed and that his next step will be to follow protocol by making contact with Hart who is based in Canada for guidance on how to proceed. Scotland said, "We are willing to see what proposals are made by the normalisation committee and have discussions.” 

Meanwhile, Hart told Guardian Media Sports on Monday, that it all depends on the TTFA.

“Hadad reached out to me recently and I told him that I prefer he talk to my lawyer so I guess he has. My lawyer has not gotten on to me as yet. For me, it's basically what the TTFA comes up with. Let's just hope that things work out and football can get back on track.”

Upon the ruling in November, which was soon before the hotly-contested TTFA elections at the "Home of Football", only Wallace, Hart said, had reached out to him to try and settle the debt. Coincidentally it was part of a whopping $50 million debt which had crippled the football association and basically led to the appointment of the normalisation committee by the sport's governing body.

Hart has been commended for stabilising the country's football during his tenure from 2013-2016, at which time he guided the Soca Warriors to the quarterfinals of the CONCACAF Gold Cup, which included a 4-4 tie with football giant Mexico.

He also took the national team to the final qualifying HEX stage of the World Cup Qualifiers before being replaced by Dennis Lawrence, a former national player. 

Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on May 19, 2020, 09:13:17 AM
 :) Looming inevitability has a way of harnessing action. Bullet dodged.   
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: maxg on May 19, 2020, 12:23:12 PM
:) Looming inevitability has a way of harnessing action. Bullet dodged.   
Of Course. Cause there is no money. Free residency at HoF for Wanderers training camp, and they pay him, won’t cut it. No football, even less travel. So now phone call done and pot off the stove. All the back burners occupied.
I actually wanted him to get some funds with the ‘some’ talk and promises. The parang good, but is not christmas yet.
Title: Stephen Hart all smiles as HFX Wanderers return to training
Post by: Tallman on June 03, 2020, 07:56:26 PM
Stephen Hart all smiles as HFX Wanderers return to training: ‘I’m just excited we’re back outside’
By Charlie O'Connor-Clarke (canpl.ca)


Even over the phone, Stephen Hart’s good mood after returning to training is infectious.

The HFX Wanderers FC coach spoke to CanPL.ca after his team returned to training on Monday morning, and it’s clear that things are, slowly, looking up in Nova Scotia.

“It was very nice to get back out there. It took a fair bit of planning because we can only work with four players at a time, so it was quite a long time on the pitch,” Hart said. “But everybody’s just happy to be back out there and feeling the ball again, getting used to the turf and all of that.”

Two of the CPL’s clubs, with Pacific FC joining HFX on Monday, are now back out on the pitch after the lengthy shutdown due to COVID-19.

Of course, it’s not necessarily the typical start to a return to training (and not just because they already did that, three months ago). Hart estimates that seven players from the Wanderers squad will have to self-quarantine upon arriving in Halifax before they can train, and that two players and one member of the coaching staff abroad are still affected by travel restrictions.

Still, getting back on the pitch at all is a relief. Although the club had managed to dip into some team-based tactical training in their initial pre-season, Hart explained that it’s back to square one now. They spent most of day one assessing the players’ fitness levels, to see if all those Zoom workouts really did work.

From a fitness point of view, Hart is impressed with the shape his players have maintained through the last few months of shutdown.

“I think the at-home workouts helped a lot,” he said. “We haven’t done the weight of players or anything as of yet, but just from my eye everybody looks in decent shape. Nobody’s overweight or anything — except the coaching staff.”

Jokes aside, the Wanderers are looking pretty good, according to Hart. Of course, being unable to do much on the ball or make proper passes for weeks might have taken some of the edge off of the players’ sharpness and agility.

“It’s just the little difference in how they move,” Hart admitted. “The little movement exercises that we were doing was a little bit different, but overall I think we’re at a good level.”

Again, these early days of training won’t be ideal, with large-scale team workouts still restricted until the club gets the green light. It’s also a little strange for the HFX players and staff to prepare for matches, when they’re not quite sure when exactly those might happen.

“There’s a plan in place as to how we’ll gradually move towards that,” Hart explained about returning to full-team workouts. “I think right now for all of us it’s just to see how this first return to training segment goes, and all the precautions, all the testing that goes with it. Then gradually we take things as they come.”

He added: “Right now I’m just like the players, I’m just excited we’re back outside and we’re training. It gives us hope that something will be done pretty soon in terms of getting games.”

As one might expect, the Halifax training ground was a place of major optimism on Monday morning as the Wanderers ease their way back into the locker room.

“It was nice just to see everyone,” Hart said. “You can’t interact, but it’s nice to see everyone’s smiling faces — well, they couldn’t see that we’re smiling because we’re masked up, but smiling faces all around. A little banter going back and forth. Which is what team sport is about.”
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: maxg on September 12, 2020, 04:07:06 PM
So where the case at ?
Title: Hart reflects on big Halifax Wanderers transformation
Post by: Tallman on September 15, 2020, 10:09:28 AM
Hart reflects on big Halifax Wanderers transformation
By John Jacques (Northern Tribune)


When the Halifax Wanderers finished dead last in the Canadian Premier League fall campaign last year, head coach Stephen Hart found himself in the midst of the league’s biggest rebuild: he parted ways with no less than sixteen players, with the club promising concerned fans that a higher pedigree of talent would bring better results to the Wanderers come 2020.

With the east coast side now just one match away from securing a first-ever CPL Final berth, that’s a promise that has rung true all throughout The Island Games: the reformed Wanderers feature the least goals conceded of the remaining clubs (nine from just as many games), the second best attacking record (fifteen goals), and a robust mix of midfielders who have proven more than capable of both creating great chances from open play and stiffling opportunities for their opponents.

In a recent OneSoccer segment, the 60-year-old head coach revealed that he had hoped to retain some of the sixteen players released by the club, though it’s fair to say that he did a great job in findings the right types of players to bring in as their replacements:

While Hart didn’t name anyone on specific, it’s easy to imagine that he could be referring to the likes of Matthew Arnone, who made 24 appearances for the Wanderers last season but ultimately signed with York9 FC to move closer to home, and Andre Bona (who clocked in some 2,547 minutes last year before ultimately ending up without a club come 2020).

Still, a centre-back pairing of Peter Schaale and Haitian international Jems Geffrard has proven to be one of the standout duos of the league, with the iron men playing every single possible minute in a defense that has also brought forth dangerous runs from Chrisnovic N’sa (who it’s easy to forget is just 21) and solid performances from both veteran Alex De Carolis and youngster Mateo Restrepo on the left side.

While Akeem Garcia had always impressed up top for the Halifax Wanderers, this year sees the Trinidad and Tobago international poised to win the golden boot with some wonderful runs and finishes working in tandem with increased midfield service from the likes of Brazilian standout Joao Morelli, Jamaican international Alex Marshall, and team captain Andre Rampersad, who have all linked up well with the striker.

The versatility brought in by the likes of former Montreal Impact players like Louis Beland-Goyette and Daniel Kinumbe have seen the Wanderers through a successful campaign, with Alessandro Riggi returning from a long-term injury to provide another creative outlet on the flank, too.

While Hart lamented the demise of the Ottawa Fury, he says that an exodus of Fury players to the CPL combined with the quick rebirth of professional football in Ottawa brought many Canadian eyes from the USL to the domestic league, with an implication that this may have been a factor in Riggi’s capture.

Last year, the Wanderers gaffer revealed that he had tried to bring in big-name Trinidad and Tobago signing Kenwyne Jones for the club’s inaugural campaign, though Garcia has proven to be a fantastic alternative to the former Sunderland man. At just 24 years of age, there’s a lot of growth that can still take place for Akeem, who has six goals in nine appearances for the side this year.

Hart also made multiple smart acquisitions involving former U-SPORTS athletes, with top draft pick Cory Bent, former UPEI Panthers man Ibrahima Sanoh, and former Montreal Carabins standouts Omar Kreim and Aboubacar Sissoko all impressing throughout the tournament. To former Cape Breton man Peter Schaale, their positive input at the Island Games came as no surprise:

With Christian Oxner providing big saves between the sticks for Hart (which is something he did last year, and likely why he the local Haligonian was the first player re-signed by the club gaffer this year), it’s fair to say that the Halifax Wanderers have been the most improved Canadian Premier League side of 2020.

While the shortlist for the 2020 CPL Awards have yet to be revealed (there’s still two matchdays left, after all), it’s clear that Stephen Hart ought to be in the running for coach of the year: the former Canada national team gaffer has rebuilt a Wanderers side and taken them straight from the bottom to the top, instilling a club culture and a sense of unity that one spots immediately on the pitch.

The club will also be bolstered by the delayed arrival of Eriks Santos next year, who was unable to attend The Island Games this year due to the pandemic situation. With a strong core and plenty of quality depth to build from, it’ll be exciting to see how the Wanderers continue to grow – though right now the squad will be solely focused on securing its first-ever potential appearance in the CPL Final. Winning that would also grant the squad a spot against MLS competition in the Canadian Championship final and a place in the 2021 Concacaf League, too.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Flex on September 17, 2020, 03:14:29 PM
Hart steers HFX Wanderers to CPL final.
By Nigel Simon (Guardian).


Former T&T coach Stephen Hart has led the HFX Wanderers FC from a last-place finish in the Canadian Premier Soccer League in 2019 to the championship match of the 2020 season dubbed "The Island Games" at the University of Prince Edwards Island Artificial Field, Charlottetown, Canada against Forge FC.

In the grand finale on Saturday, Hart will look to two of his countrymen to lead the way on the field of play with second-year player Akeem Garcia, the league's top scorer with six goals while midfielder Andre Rampersad is co-captain.

On Tuesday last, HFX Wanderers FC, having earlier in the day cemented a spot in the final were humiliated 5-0 by Pacific FC with

Marco Bustos netting two goals and adding two assists for the Tridents

Despite being The Island Games’ lone dead-rubber tilt, Tuesday’s contest ended Pacific’s much-improved 2020 season on an exceptionally high note – one coach Pa-Modou Kah will gladly build upon for the 2021 CPL campaign.

While the margin of defeat for the high-flying Wanderers may have come as a surprise to many, coach Stephen Hart was not too worried having made nine changes to the starting line-up that beat Calvary FC on Sunday, inclusive of T&T's Akeem Garcia, the league's top scorer with six goals and his country and club captain Andre Rampersad.

Following the drubbing, former T&T and Canada men's national team coach Hart was asked if his side might’ve struggled out of the gate to focus on the match at hand, perhaps thinking a little too far ahead to Saturday’s final.

“I didn’t think so, but after the first half, you’d probably have to say, well, yeah,” Hart admitted.

“It’s kind of one of those situations where you don’t know till after the game. Everybody warmed up well, everybody seemed to be ready for it, but we were second best to nearly everything in the first half.

We were too far away from players in our columns, couldn’t get a foot in, and then when we got the ball we made too many mistakes in and around the defending third of the field.”

The Wanderers are now in a fascinating situation, perhaps feeling both pride and shame simultaneously having qualified for a championship final and lost 5-0 on the same day.

What do they take away from this, then? Do they burn the tapes, and try to forget about it? Or does getting beaten that badly add fuel to the fire, helping them come out angry and motivated in the final against Forge?

Hart told reporters that he’d thought about that with his staff, including at halftime while the score was 4-0. Ultimately, he said, the message for the second 45 was to try and revert to their normal mindset and reclaim whatever momentum they could.

“The first half we made a lot of fundamental errors, and that is unacceptable at this level. Even with the changes in the lineup, it’s unacceptable,” Hart said.

“But if you look at the second-half performance, we were back to doing some of the things that we have done well and that have made us reach the final.

“I told the players that in the dressing room, it’s one of those things where you owe it to yourselves, and of course you owe it to the fans, to make a real go of the second half, and get back to the things that we stand for.”

The Wanderers were much better in the second half, making a few substitutions and trying to shake off the early catastrophe. They clawed back to 50 per cent possession, created a few chances, and spent more time in the Pacific end. They still weren’t rewarded, but the coach was heartened to see that they were capable of turning it back on.

At the end of the day, HFX is now heading into a final having rested their best players for a full week (with Forge forced to play most of their regulars on Tuesday). They’ve earned their way there, and Hart is fully confident they have as good a chance as Forge at winning the North Star Shield.

“We are a team that nobody expected to be here, and from what I understand, some of the pundits have already written us off,” Hart quipped. “It should be good.”

Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Flex on September 19, 2020, 08:29:28 PM
Hart, Garcia nominated for season awards.
By Ian Prescott (Express).


Former Trinidad and Tobago national coach Stephen Hart and striker Akeem Garcia have been nominated for 2020 Canadian Premier League awards.

Halifax Wanderers coach Hart, who led T&T to two Concacaf Gold Cup quarter-finals between 2013 and 2016, is in line for the Coach of the Year award along with Bobby Smyrniotis (Forge FC) and Miguel Ferrer (Atletico Ottawa). The winners will be selected by a media panel.

Halifax Wanderers forward Garcia is nominated for the Player of the Year award along with midfielders Marco Bustos of Pacific FC and Kyle Bekker of Forge FC. Garcia is also favourite to win the Golden Boot.

Garcia had a strong first Canadian Premier League season in 2019 with a HFX Wanderers side that struggled at times over the course of the year. Garcia led the Wanderers scoring with seven goals from 24 appearances in league action, adding another one in the Canadian Championship, and was one of only six players brought back by head coach Hart for the club’s sophomore campaign.

Fast forward 11 months and the Trinidad and Tobago forward is on the verge of winning a CPL championship, the Golden Boot title, and has been nominated as the League’s Player of the Year after a standout campaign at The Island Games.

“When you’re playing, you have to always aim for the heights,” Garcia said on a CPL conference call on Friday.

Garcia looked a top prospect last season, but this year he’s taken his game to the next level that Hart challenged him to reach.

“This year, I’ve focused on one position,” Garcia revealed. “Coach has helped me in terms of positioning and how I can always be better at the position. So after training, even in training, I’ve got time to go home and look over things and see how I can be better.

“The players around me this year allows me to do that. You can see with the players we’ve brought in, they’ve all got the quality to make that final pass, especially João Morelli. He’s simple, but it’s his thinking that’s very good. With him and with the other players around, you’ve got the confidence to make a run, you have confidence to come, you have confidence to play.”

As Garcia mentioned, last season saw the striker tried out in a couple of different attacking positions. This year, the focus has been on doing what he does best. He’s thrived and developed his game as a result, becoming more and more accustomed to playing the striker role with the more minutes he gets.

“To be fair to Akeem, last season he played out of position in a number of games in order to help the team,” Hart said. “That’s just the nature of the player. He will do anything we ask of him and once we got back into this season, and we came into training camp, both of us sat down and we had a discussion.

“I told him what I was looking for from him and where he needs to improve his game, and he’s worked diligently on that. As a consequence, of course, compounded by the variety of service he can now get, from both inside the field and the wide positions, he’s done well.”

Garcia’s strong play last year saw him earn a recall into the Trinidad and Tobago national team set-up after an absence of four-and-a-half years, for his second and third international caps in a pair of substitute appearances in the Concacaf Nations League match against Honduras and a friendly against Venezuela in October last year.

Were the T&T staff already watching Garcia, or did Hart use his connections to draw attention to what the young forward was doing in Canada?

“I think it was a little bit of both,” Hart revealed. “Derek King is part of the staff down there now and he has a close tie to the club and he’s going to be keeping an eye on both Akeem and Rampy [Andre Rampersad]. So it’s a little bit of us communicating and saying, look this player is doing well. We share his qualities, we share his medical on how he’s doing, and then it’s up to them to select or not select.”

Garcia’s performance during The Island Games tournament should see him get another call soon, whenever international matches in the region do finally get back to happening. And whenever that call does come, Garcia is excited to accept it.

“We haven’t spoken any time as yet,” Garcia revealed when asked if T&T head coach Terry Fenwick had been in touch with him during the tournament. “But I know the eyes are looking back home in Trinidad. The games are showing and people are watching. It’s always a privilege and honour to play for your country.

“I think playing for your country is a big deal. It’s different. There’s a lot more pressure, but it’s just a privilege to play for your country and if happens, it’s a good thing.” —with reporting by Michael McColl.

Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: maxg on September 20, 2020, 12:29:14 AM
https://canpl.ca/article/2020-cpl-final-by-the-numbers-forge-suffocates-hfx-to-win-2nd-championship

2020 CPL Final, By The Numbers: Forge suffocates HFX to win 2nd championship
2020-09-19

byCHARLIE O’CONNOR-CLARKE, DIGITAL CONTENT EDITOR (@CHARLIEJCLARKE)


Really, there’s only one set of numbers that mattered on Saturday: Forge FC 2, HFX Wanderers FC 0.

The Hamiltonians conquered the CPL for the second straight year, defeating the Maritimers comprehensively to retain the North Star Shield.

Still, it was a highly entertaining contest, with hard battles, individual quality, and a high level of intensity from both teams.

Although the score speaks to Forge’s dominance on the day, the Wanderers had their moments of pressure, and they certainly did not fold when playing from behind.

All that said, here are a few statistics that stood out from a fantastic grand finale at The Island Games.


11 attacking lineups
Incredibly, Forge managed to go the distance in PEI — 11 games in total — while using a different front three in every single starting lineup. Seriously, they didn’t repeat once.

On Saturday, Bobby Smyrniotis opted to go with Johnny Grant, Mo Babouli, and David Choinière, who all caused plenty of problems for the Wanderers’ backline. Smyrniotis said after the game that he’d hoped Babouli and Choinière could use their skill to operate in the spaces HFX typically leaves between their defenders and midfielders, and it seems that choice paid off.

100% duels won

Four players for Forge won every single duel they went into on Saturday. A total of seven Forge players won every aerial duel.

Of course, a few of those stats look a little less impressive when you see how many they actually encountered (it was just one for Triston Henry), but some of the numbers are remarkable.

Dominic Samuel, for example, playing away from his normal central position at right-back, won an unbelievable 10 duels, five of which were in the air. He also won four fouls, getting the better of opponents in every physical situation.

4 key passes
It was a heck of an afternoon for Mo Babouli. The Forge striker, who fought his way into the starting 11 at this tournament, put in an excellent 80-minute shift in the final. He made four key passes and earned two shots of his own, also providing the perfect second-phase cross to Alexander Achinioti-Jönsson for the goal that won Forge the game.

55.7% possession
HFX Wanderers like to play a certain way. That way does not typically involve having the ball a whole lot, or building up slowly.

Unfortunately for them, Forge knew that. They allowed their opponents to have the ball in certain phases, meaning that HFX had more than 50 per cent possession for the first time at The Island Games. As a result, they weren’t able to play the direct, fast-paced style of counter-attacking football that brought them success in previous games.

25.7 metres
Another huge part of HFX’s game is winning the ball high up the pitch with their press. They weren’t able to do that on Saturday either, as evidenced by their average possession start height of 25.7 metres.


Compared to Forge’s 38.6, that suggests that the Wanderers had to play out of the back a little more, and couldn’t pick off errant passes in the attacking half of the field.

Of course, Forge also doesn’t make many mistakes.

37 days
The Island Games are over. They lasted for 37 days, and now we’re left once again without CPL football.

What a tournament it was, though. Kyle Bekker said after the final that he’s likely to look back on this experience very fondly, and it’s hard not to agree with him.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on September 21, 2020, 02:39:59 PM
Here's the full media conference held with Stephen Hart on September 18, 2020, prior to the tournament final. It covers some nuggets not explored in the articles above.

https://www.youtube.com/v/5YEGd4G7mn4
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Flex on October 10, 2020, 09:42:21 AM
Wanderers could make deep run at Island Games.
By: Charlie O’Connor-Clarke (T&T Express).


’Had no doubts’

The success of HFX Wanderers FC in the 2020 CPL season surprised a lot of people—including, to an extent, the team’s coach Stephen Hart.

However, for Trinidadian striker Akeem Garcia—one of three CPL Player of the Year nominees—the wins were there for the taking. As one of seven returning players from the inaugural squad, the Trinidadian saw first-hand the improvement in the 2020 team, and he was impressed from the start of training.

After winning the season’s golden boot award, Garcia is one of a few Wanderers still in Halifax, primarily because he hasn’t yet received approval to go home to Trinidad and Tobago. As many of his fellow CPLers are likely doing, he told CanPL.ca his current life is occupied by Netflix and going to the gym, and hoping that he can reunite with his family soon.

Garcia, who arrived at initial training a couple days late due to visa issues and then had to watch from the sidelines the first day or two while waiting for a medical examination, had a good feeling seeing the Wanderers’ newcomers.

“I was watching them train and I was like, ‘This is gonna be a good team, guys,’” Garcia told CanPL.ca. “It’s a young team and the talent was there. … For me I had no doubts we would’ve done well. During the tournament I really think we could’ve gone on and won it.”

While Garcia’s side wasn’t quite able to clear the final hurdle and beat Forge FC in the CPL Finals, they had plenty to smile about when leaving PEI. They scored plenty of goals, played some exciting football, and ultimately went farther in the tournament than all but one team.

And really, if you’re focused on building for the future, few things help speed up the process more than winning as a group. Garcia insisted that part of the reason HFX was able to attack so seamlessly—despite having no pre-season games to work out the kinks—was how much the players enjoyed each other’s company. In fact, the striker suggested that the players’ proximity to each other in Halifax helped bring them closer at a time when they couldn’t really go out to do anything else.

“We all live together in Halifax in the same building, so when they lessened the (Covid-19) restrictions and we started training in tens and stuff, guys started hanging out with each other in their groups,” Garcia recalled about the club’s early return to training in June.

“The group you were training with, guys would hang out with each other, visit each other’s apartment, watch a movie or something. Just start bonding because the guys that came into the team this year had a different goal, and the goal was to help the team be better.”

And so, being already well-accustomed to each other, the transition to bubble life in Charlottetown was an easy one for the Wanderers. Garcia mentioned some additional touches—a karaoke initiation party among the players, for instance, and the fact that the club surprised players with pictures of their families in the hotel—that ultimately translated into a team with top-notch chemistry.

The goals that Garcia, and his entourage of Alessandro Riggi, João Morelli and Alex Marshall (plus contributors such as Cory Bent and Omar Kreim), created looked impossible for a group so new to each other. And yet, they did it time after time.

“Everything was pretty sweet. For me I enjoyed the fun we had the most on gamedays, just getting to see everyone at breakfast and dinner,” Garcia said, adding that the squad’s familial mentality certainly improved their play on the pitch.

“No one was grudging when they were on the bench; even I was on the bench the first game, I was like whoever’s playing forward deserves it,” he said. “The whole team vibe was nice, no one was grudging. Everyone was supporting each other, so I love that. When you have teammates like that it makes you go out and give your all.”

All the while, though, he’s got the 2021 CPL season at the back of his mind and one eye on the Player of the Year award.

Video - Here's the full media conference held with Stephen Hart on September 18, 2020, prior to the tournament final. It covers some nuggets not explored in the articles above. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YEGd4G7mn4&feature=emb_title)

Title: HFX Wanderers FC boss Stephen Hart wins CPL Coach of the Year award
Post by: Tallman on November 26, 2020, 09:55:06 PM
HFX Wanderers FC boss Stephen Hart wins CPL Coach of the Year award
By Charlie O'Connor-Clarke (canpl.ca)

No CPL team saw their stock rise in 2020 more than HFX Wanderers FC, whose magical run at The Island Games in PEI ended in a CPL Final appearance, just one year after finishing at the bottom of the league table.

In recognition of that incredible turnaround, Wanderers coach Stephen Hart was honoured on Thursday night with the CPL’s Coach of the Year award.

The veteran manager received the Owl trophy, designed by experienced carver Palaya Qiatsuq of Nunavut, putting a cap on a remarkable season for the Trinidadian coach.

Hart beat out fellow nominees Bobby Smyrniotis of Forge FC and Mista of Atlético Ottawa, both of whom he acknowledged as similarly worthy candidates for the award.

“In all honesty I’m flattered, I was nominated along with two fantastic coaches in Mista and Bobby, and to get coach of the year, especially with all Bobby’s achieved, is quite flattering, really,” Hart told CanPL.ca. “For me it’s always difficult to have an individual award within a team sport, and really credit should go to the players first, because they bring the product to the field. And then of course my staff, because I didn’t do this alone.

“A lot of people have to be thanked, but I am very very appreciative of it.”

Still, Hart oversaw an impressive rebuild over the past year in Halifax, putting together a squad with 15 of 22 players new for 2020, and he formed them into one of the most entertaining attacking squads in the CPL with their high-energy, counter-attacking style. The Wanderers ultimately finished in second place in both the first and second rounds of The Island Games, winning four games and losing just three (including a heartbreaking 2-0 defeat in the Final to Forge FC).

Hart is the most experienced manager in the CPL, having been in coaching for over 20 years. He was in charge of the Canadian men’s team from 2009 to 2012, after about a decade working for Canada Soccer as an assistant and as coach of various youth sides. He also managed the national team of his native Trinidad and Tobago from 2013 to 2016 before returning to Halifax — where he’d both played and coached for the Saint Mary’s University Huskies — to lead the Wanderers upon their founding as part of the CPL.

Wanderers forward Akeem Garcia, winner of the CPL’s 2020 Golden Boot, heaped praise on his coach, whom he credits with giving him an opportunity with his first professional contract outside of his native Trinidad. The two had been familiar with each other for years; Hart gave Garcia his first cap with the Trinidad and Tobago national team, after the two encountered each other as opponents at the 2013 Concacaf U-17 Championship (while Hart was working for Canada as an assistant).

“I’m very grateful for him. He’s just one of those coaches that you can talk to, he always makes sure you’re in the right space of mind to train. He always does everything possible to make you comfortable,” Garcia told CanPL.ca.

“Not only is he a coach, he’s also one of those people you look up to as a personal leader. I think all the guys on our team respect him. In terms of coaching he breaks it down for you, he gives you your opportunity to show yourself, express yourself. And he’s also one of those coaches where you know you can be free to show your talent.”

For his part, the Wanderers coach was impressed with the level of coaching across the Canadian Premier League in 2020, which saw two new head coaches take over clubs, and plenty of other sides improve on their inaugural seasons.

“I always knew that we had the quality in Canada,” Hart said. “Just like the young players, the coaches just needed that platform. All the coaches have been around, have been working very hard for Canada Soccer, and of course with the introduction of Ottawa, Mista — who played here for Toronto — has returned to contribute to the sport here. So I’m not surprised that the quality is very good.”
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Flex on December 02, 2020, 12:54:43 AM
Hart: A happy Wanderer, why I kept Garcia and ‘Ramps’, and how to turn around T&T football.
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868).


In the maiden Canada Premier League (CPL) season in 2019, Trinidad and Tobago coach Stephen Hart finished bottom of the table with his HFX Wanderers outfit.

The turnaround in 2020 could not be much more profound, as the Wanderers roared to second place, with what the CPL media described as an ‘entertaining, high-energy, counter-attacking style’. Hart, in return, was adjudged the CPL’s ‘Coach of the Year’.

In short, 2020 was not too bad for the former ‘Soca Warriors’ coach. He took a few questions on the subject from Wired868.

Wired868: To what do you credit the turnaround in results this season?

Stephen Hart: Basically we made sweeping changes, replacing 15 players. Year two also had less restrictions on player acquisitions, so we knew exactly the player types positionally we were looking for.

W868: How many international players are CPL teams allowed? Can we expect to see a lot more Trinidad and Tobago players in the League?

Hart: It’s getting tougher [for Trinidad and Tobago players], because the League is receiving a lot of recognition worldwide. More players are interested and the competition for selection has been heightened, as four international players have to be under-24 (another three can be older).

I think the rules [for international players] are good, because it [incentivises] clubs to buy young, develop and sell on—rather than throw money behind a 33 year old player.

W868: And what are the qualities you saw in [Trinidadians] Akeem Garcia and Andre Rampersad which made you give them a second chance this season?

Hart: Both Akeem and ‘Ramp’ were brought back on merit and they were the right age for the [under-24] international category. Rampersad showed he is willing to learn, develop and has some outstanding leadership qualities. Compound that with his consistent performances, it was a no brainer.

It’s the same with Akeem. I think he has ability to learn to attack spaces as well as hold up the ball. We worked on his finishing. Again, he shows an ability to take in information and apply it consistently. Off the field, these two are model professionals, with their life style, diet, recovery etc.

(Garcia, a former Caribbean Cup champion at National Under-20 Team level, was the CPL’s 2020 Golden Boot.)

W868: Considering how HFX Wanderers flourished after showing you some patience and trust, do you feel given time you could have produced a similar recovery for the Soca Warriors?

(Hart took T&T to quarterfinal finishes at the 2013 and 2015 Gold Cup tournaments as well as into the Concacaf Hex for the 2018 World Cup qualifying series, but was sacked by then president David John-Williams after defeats in his first two games of the Hex—at home to Costa Rica and away to Honduras.)

Hart: Well, in 2013 the staff and myself had less than 14 days to enter the Gold Cup. Luckily we did fairly well and that allowed us some breathing room to build. I always feel football, and in particular international football, is about moments. Yes we slumped a bit but I always felt if I was given the free rein we could turn it around.

W868: What are your thoughts on Trinidad and Tobago football at present?

Hart: It is difficult to have thoughts on the direction of T&T football now, due to the [disruption caused by the] pandemic. However, unless you take care of all levels of youth football, the quality coming through will hinder the senior level.

Obviously, the other side of that is understanding how off the field structural organisation impacts what happens on the field. Far too often, the respect for one’s duties and roles and responsibilities is not there. Too often, administrators think they know more than the coaching staff and even the players.

Wired868: On behalf of our readers and your Trinidad and Tobago fans, congrats again and thank you for your time!

Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: soccerman on December 02, 2020, 09:00:26 AM
Congrats Hart :applause:
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Errol on December 03, 2020, 03:18:50 PM
So two of Hart's best players (Rampersad and Garcia) never played for Hart team when he was T&T coach?

And they were already pro players at the time.

Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: maxg on December 03, 2020, 05:05:32 PM
So two of Hart's best players (Rampersad and Garcia) never played for Hart team when he was T&T coach?

And they were already pro players at the time.


Almost 4 years ago !. Nah, I sure you can figure that one all by yourself. Yet, here's a clue doh. Who was getting the accolades then, that they getting now ?  Maybe if he did throw dem fellas out and put Ramps and Akeem in, they would have improved then ? Then what would ppl have asked ? hmmmm...as proficient as they are in the CPL last season, they still may not be selected in the next campaign. Imagine that.

Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Tallman on December 04, 2020, 07:58:17 AM
So two of Hart's best players (Rampersad and Garcia) never played for Hart team when he was T&T coach?

And they were already pro players at the time.



Actually, Garcia made his debut for the national senior team at the age of 18 under Stephen Hart. He came on as a sub in a friendly against Panama. So obviously Hart saw something in him then, but maybe he wasn't ready. And back then, whose place would he have taken?

Rampersad was never a pro player until signed by Halifax. Prior to that, he played all his football with FC Santa Rosa. He was mainly signed on the recommendation of Derek King who coached Santa Rosa and was Hart's assistant coach on the national team and became his assistant again at Halifax.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Tallman on December 11, 2020, 10:12:31 AM
Halifax Wanderers coach and CPL Coach of the Year, Stephen Hart, talks about bringing a new team together, what's expected of the modern pro, dealing with media criticism and who has final say in signings.

https://www.downthepub.ca/e/episode-88-cpl-coty-stephen-hart/
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Tallman on February 10, 2021, 02:45:45 PM
LISTEN: HFX Wanderers coach Stephen Hart talks about his career path in Canada, coaching the Trinidad and Tobago Men's Senior Team, strained relations with former TTFA president David John-Williams, and the Soca Warriors’ recent 7-0 loss to USA. (https://wired868.com/2021/02/10/bb-ep-2-audio-hart-on-coaching-tt-strained-relations-with-djw-and-that-usa-mauling/)
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on February 10, 2021, 04:31:37 PM
Another good listen. Enjoyed that.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on February 11, 2021, 02:16:00 PM
P.S. This is more of a Barney question than a Burdie question area ... When SH mentioned the primary school coach and the "manmarking" ... A question that came to mind for fleshing out is: What would he have preferred to have seen happen? What would he have suggested to the coach in that competitive context and age group? It is a situation that is replicated time and time again in our cultural context.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: soccerman on February 13, 2021, 04:02:23 PM
Another good listen. Enjoyed that.
Yes that was a fantastic interview. It was good to hear some his insights during his tenure as the NT coach, never heard him open up like that before. I enjoyed the part about the game in Argentina and Messi in particular, just watched him score 2 incredible goals today. I will say it again, ppl may not have liked some of our results in the Hex but under Hart was best the NT looked since Leo.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Tallman on March 03, 2021, 08:16:04 PM
HFX Wanderers FC extend contract with Head Coach and General Manager Stephen Hart
By Marty Thompson (canpl.ca)


The Heart of Halifax Wanderers is staying put.

Halifax Wanderers are pleased to announce that coach Stephen Hart has agreed to a three-year contract extension.

“Stephen was the right person to lead our club on the pitch three years ago and he remains the right person to lead our club into the future,” stated club President and Founder Derek Martin. “Building a club from scratch is an arduous and exciting journey that requires a talented team committed to working together in the pursuit of something bigger than oneself.  Our greatest asset as a club is our people and as the face of our club, Stephen personifies our ethos ideally.”

Hart, 60, is entering his third Canadian Premier League season with the Wanderers since becoming the club’s inaugural coach in 2018. He was named the CPL Coach of the Year in 2020, after helping a reshaped HFX squad that struggled in 2019, make the CPL Finals at last summer’s Island Games in PEI.

“This club is a project I believe in,” Hart said about his re-signing. “Any successful sporting environment has a few things; solid backroom staff, really good administration, and ownership that have a vision. Derek has built a foundation here at the club that allows us to take our time, we all know there are going to be a lot of bumps in the road, but anything worth doing is going to have that.”

A native of Trinidad and Tobago, Hart first arrived in Halifax in 1981, going on to have a successful run with club team King of Donair as a player and coach, as well as serving as Technical Director of Soccer Nova Scotia.

He later joined the Canadian national team as a coach at under-17, under-20, and under-23 levels before taking charge of the senior side on a full-time basis in 2009. He registered more than 20 international wins with Les Rouges and guided Canada to the semifinals of the 2007 CONCACAF Gold Cup when he was serving as the team’s interim coach. Hart also led Trinidad and Tobago’s men’s team as manager between 2013 to 2016.

Looking back at his time in the CPL in a special interview with the Wanderers, Hart singled out two particularly special moments thus far: the club’s inaugural game at Wanderers Grounds on May 4, 2019, and a 1-1 draw with York9 FC (now York United) at The Island Games.

“I remember the opening game in the stadium, hearing the national anthem, seeing the sell-out crowd,” Hart said of the club’s historic 2-1 win over Forge FC . “As soon as that first game was over and all the smoke went off in the stadium… it smelled like football, it had that atmosphere that was like, ‘whoa, this is even beyond what I thought could actually happen.’

“Against York was the first time I got the deep emotional feeling that the players believed in what we were trying to achieve as a club. We were playing with 10 men for a huge part of the game. The way they buckled down… I think any coach being in a situation like that would always remember that.”

The journey to building a championship for the city of Halifax and the Wanderers community continues for Hart, who is busy assembling the club’s 2021 roster, which currently features 18 signed players (13 are returnees from the 2020 CPL Finals squad).

“Sports has always been an avenue of escape and we’re fortunate to be involved in it,” Hart said. “We’re lucky that there are a lot of people that depend on the sport to give them that moment away – go somewhere with friends, have a meal and some drinks. Escape is important in society and I hope the Wanderers continue to provide that in Halifax for years to come.”

https://www.youtube.com/v/p76zrzpusF8
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Tallman on May 19, 2021, 04:13:44 PM
Stephen Hart - Halifax Wanderers Head Coach - Interview

https://www.youtube.com/v/R6TNacQCQRY
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: maxg on May 19, 2021, 11:20:09 PM
Boss Level : Fight (with Grinta)

All the best for the new normal, Chief.
Title: Stephen Hart recovers after falling ill during Canada football opener
Post by: Tallman on June 27, 2021, 09:16:54 PM
Stephen Hart recovers after falling ill during Canada football opener
By Stephon Nicholas (T&T Newsday)


Former Trinidad and Tobago head coach Stephen Hart is expected to be back on the bench for HFX Wanderers soon, after suffering a health scare on Saturday.

Hart was under observation by paramedics after he complained of feeling unwell during a Canadian Premier League (CPL) match against Pacific FC at IG Field in Winnipeg.

It was the club's opening game of the season.

He told Newsday on Sunday that the club's medical staff recommended, out of an abundance of caution, that he seek medical attention.

Hart was replaced by assistant coach Mesut Mert.

Asked by Newsday how soon he is expected to make a full recovery, Hart said he was "feeling fine" and expects to resume duties very soon.

He posted on Twitter on Sunday, "Thanks to everyone for your messages of concern and well wishes. All is well!"

Wanderers lost to Pacific FC 2-0. Their next game is on Wednesday against Valour FC.

Hart enjoyed a successful spell with Trinidad and Tobago from 2013-2016, taking the Soca Warriors to the quarterfinals of the Concacaf Gold Cup in 2013 and 2015. He was named Canadian Premier League Coach of the Year in 2020.
Title: Stephen Hart departs bubble for medical reasons
Post by: Tallman on July 03, 2021, 04:09:50 PM
Stephen Hart departs bubble for medical reasons
By John Jacques (Northern Tribune)


The Halifax Wanderers announced this morning that head coach Stephen Hart will be departing from the league’s Winnipeg-based bubble to undergo a minor medical procedure in Halifax.

The 61-year-old head coach was placed under medical examination as a precautionary measure during the club’s opening match on Saturday, with assistant coach Mesut Mert filling in for Hart at that point.

Hart resumed his post for the club’s second match, but a focus on his health absolutely comes first. Thankfully, the club states that he is expected to make a full and speedy recovery, and will be ready to rejoin the bench in late July.

Assistant coach Mesut Mert replaced outbound assistant Derek King last March, with the interim head coach bringing a lot of Nova Scotian experience with him to the east coast club.

Hart, 61, has been the head coach for the Halifax Wanderers for all three of its Canadian Premier League seasons. After a tough inaugural season, the former Canadian national team coach led the Wanderers to its first appearance in the CPL Final last year, earning a head coach of the year award for his efforts while also helping grow the league as a whole.

The Halifax Wanderers have looked sharp in their opening two fixtures, but suffered consecutive losses regardless. With Hart now exiting Winnipeg, the rest of the month will be a tough test for assistant coach Mesut Mert.

We wish Stephen Hart all the best in his recovery – the football world is made better with Hart in it, and his presence on an individual level will be missed while he focuses on his recovery.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Deeks on July 04, 2021, 04:47:47 AM
Blessings and Quick Recovery. God Bless. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Tallman on April 07, 2022, 07:11:08 AM
WATCH: In this new series, CanPL.ca's Kristian Jack sits down with HFX Wanderers FC Head Coach Stephen Hart for a fun chat on the eve of the new season.

https://www.youtube.com/v/g_diV-rhQyg
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Tallman on October 13, 2022, 09:12:09 AM
Halifax Wanderers part ways with head coach Stephen Hart
HFX Wanderers Media


The Halifax Wanderers have parted ways with head coach Stephen Hart following the conclusion of the 2022 Canadian Premier League season.

“I met with Stephen yesterday and informed him that I felt it was time for new leadership at our football club,” Wanderers Founder and President Derek Martin said. “Stephen handled this conversation with the same class and dignity he has displayed while representing our club for the past five years, and I am forever grateful to him for helping our club get off the ground and for his immense contributions to the sport in Atlantic Canada.”

Hart was named the first head coach in Wanderers history in 2018 ahead of the inaugural Canadian Premier League season. In 2020, he was named the CPL Coach of the Year after leading Halifax to an appearance in the league final during The Island Games.

The Wanderers’ search for a new head coach begins immediately.

“With our passionate fans, natural grass pitch, roster flexibility and our exciting vision for the future of the Wanderers Grounds, I believe Halifax is the best job in Canadian soccer, and I am expecting several impressive Canadian and international candidates to come forward to lead our club into the future.”
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: gawd on pitch on October 13, 2022, 06:08:09 PM
With DJW long gone, just maybe. .
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on October 14, 2022, 01:25:34 AM
With DJW long gone, just maybe. .

Before or after hell freezes over?
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: gawd on pitch on October 14, 2022, 09:57:34 AM
With DJW long gone, just maybe. .

Before or after hell freezes over?

You don't think a return is possible? I'm pretty sure many are entertaining the idea. . No DJW, TTFA getting their finances together, and Eve (2nd to Hart). If Hart is still owed some money, get him on the phone and resolve it. I'm sure Hart will be open to it.

I think this might be the storyline we need.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on October 14, 2022, 10:25:51 AM
With DJW long gone, just maybe. .

Before or after hell freezes over?

You don't think a return is possible? I'm pretty sure many are entertaining the idea. . No DJW, TTFA getting their finances together, and Eve (2nd to Hart). If Hart is still owed some money, get him on the phone and resolve it. I'm sure Hart will be open to it.

I think this might be the storyline we need.

Great, but what's in it for Hart?
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: gawd on pitch on October 14, 2022, 04:28:20 PM
With DJW long gone, just maybe. .

Before or after hell freezes over?

You don't think a return is possible? I'm pretty sure many are entertaining the idea. . No DJW, TTFA getting their finances together, and Eve (2nd to Hart). If Hart is still owed some money, get him on the phone and resolve it. I'm sure Hart will be open to it.

I think this might be the storyline we need.

Great, but what's in it for Hart?

What's in it for Hart? Hmm, let's see.. A job :)
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on October 14, 2022, 06:02:08 PM
With DJW long gone, just maybe. .

Before or after hell freezes over?

You don't think a return is possible? I'm pretty sure many are entertaining the idea. . No DJW, TTFA getting their finances together, and Eve (2nd to Hart). If Hart is still owed some money, get him on the phone and resolve it. I'm sure Hart will be open to it.

I think this might be the storyline we need.

Great, but what's in it for Hart?

What's in it for Hart? Hmm, let's see.. A job :)

How about: A HEADACHE!
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: gawd on pitch on October 14, 2022, 06:55:09 PM
With DJW long gone, just maybe. .

Before or after hell freezes over?

You don't think a return is possible? I'm pretty sure many are entertaining the idea. . No DJW, TTFA getting their finances together, and Eve (2nd to Hart). If Hart is still owed some money, get him on the phone and resolve it. I'm sure Hart will be open to it.

I think this might be the storyline we need.

Great, but what's in it for Hart?

What's in it for Hart? Hmm, let's see.. A job :)

How about: A HEADACHE!

Yeah, but remember Hart did not quit. He stayed in the position for a long time and tolerated the bs and headaches. Things went south when you know who got involved.

Do you think Hart would be open to having a discussion with the TTFA now that, you know who, is not in the picture? My answer is yes.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on October 14, 2022, 07:28:56 PM
Breds, he better off riding for ah St. Pierre and Miquelon than heading to the site of the trauma and unpaid salary. HFX acted with a brand of grace unknown in T&T. Patriotism cut nuff throats.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: gawd on pitch on October 14, 2022, 09:03:42 PM
Breds, he better off riding for ah St. Pierre and Miquelon than heading to the site of the trauma and unpaid salary. HFX acted with a brand of grace unknown in T&T. Patriotism cut nuff throats.

If salary is the issue then I see what you mean
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on October 15, 2022, 04:02:48 AM
Breds, he better off riding for ah St. Pierre and Miquelon than heading to the site of the trauma and unpaid salary. HFX acted with a brand of grace unknown in T&T. Patriotism cut nuff throats.

If salary is the issue then I see what you mean

I find yuh being exceptionally nostalgic.

Getting their finances together is NOT having their finances together. Whatever shift is occurring at the TTFA constitutes temporarily moving away from the edge of the precipice, not abandoning the precipice entirely.

Also --- Forget about the FANTASTICAL notion that Eve would play 2nd fiddle.  Why should he at this point by the way?

Behave yuhself. Push come to shove, the TTFA has an in-house ready-made solution. Corneal could succeed Eve or any successor to Eve.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: gawd on pitch on October 15, 2022, 11:38:49 AM
Nothing wrong with being nostalgic. In fact everyone on this site who hope for a second coming of 2006 is nostalgic. .

Alright so Hart will never be returning from what it sounds like asylum. Thank you
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on October 16, 2022, 02:16:19 PM
Nothing wrong with being nostalgic. In fact everyone on this site who hope for a second coming of 2006 is nostalgic. .

Alright so Hart will never be returning from what it sounds like asylum. Thank you

I am not SH's spokesperson.

Maybe VB could write the book on an eventual triumphal return and vindication, but a Hart return seems to ME to be a Nobel Peace Prize sort of suffering that not everyone would sign up for. If dahis not de case doh, instead of looking for a TD, Hadad should just have called Kendall Walkes to jump in de saddle again. Amidst a few choice words, something other than nostalgia might probably be the first thing that comes to Walkes' mind doh. And yeah, I am not Kendall Walkes' spokesperson.

That aside, ah feel yuh slightly blending ambition with nostalgia. Many posters here remember 2006 fondly but they do not latch on to any hope of us returning to that platform.

Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: ffisback on October 16, 2022, 02:53:14 PM
S Hart failed at the international level with both Canada and TT and now he has failed at the professional level nobody in there right mind who is serious about going to a WC is going to hire a coach who cannot cut it at that level but then again TT hired A Eve.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Tallman on October 20, 2022, 09:43:14 AM
HFX Wanderers FC president speaks on coach Stephen Hart’s dismissal
By Martin Bauman (The Coast)


Derek Martin has a tall order ahead of him. The HFX Wanderers FC founder and president is in the market for a new head coach after dismissing the only one his club has ever had in Stephen Hart—a coach who, over four seasons, became almost synonymous with the club he led and generated no shortage of goodwill in the city he’s called home for much of the last 40 years.

Thursday’s news of the club and coach parting ways wasn’t entirely surprising; the Wanderers have missed the Canadian Premier League playoffs two seasons running and finished second-last in the league in 2022. Only two CPL head coaches remain with their clubs from 2019. But the Wanderers’ ouster of Hart represents a departure from the club’s former bet on continuity.

And now, Martin has to figure out what he wants his club to be.

‘Everything’s on the table’

“It certainly wasn’t an easy decision,” Martin says, speaking by phone with The Coast.

Since joining the club from its founding in 2018, Hart became a mainstay across the CPL. He was named league Coach of the Year after leading the Wanderers to the finals of the pandemic-shortened Island Games in 2020.

Martin calls Hart a “great man, a terrific human being,” and says he was “absolutely the perfect choice” to lead the club through its earliest stages. But, after three losing seasons in four years, the Wanderers’ founder says it’s time for a change.

“We haven’t had the success we want to have on the pitch,” Martin says.

And as the club prepares for a significant overhaul of its roster this offseason—“everything’s on the table,” Martin tells The Coast—the Wanderers’ head honcho is ready for a fresh start.

A decorated career

For Hart, the dismissal marks what could be the end of a long and prolific playing and coaching career in Halifax. Born in San Fernando, Trinidad and Tobago, Hart arrived in Nova Scotia as a 21-year-old midfielder in 1981. While at Saint Mary’s University, he became an AUS all-star midfielder for the Huskies before joining Halifax semi-pro club King of Donair in 1983 as a player-coach. Hart was inducted into the SMU Sport Hall of Fame in 2016. He led King of Donair to four straight league titles and six cups.

“I fell in love with the city, the people… the rest is history, really,” Hart told The Coast in 2019.

An assistant with the Canada Soccer development program since 1997, Hart went on to coach the Canadian senior men’s national team in 2006-2007, and again from 2009-2012. Under Hart’s watch in 2007, Canada reached its first Gold Cup semifinal since 2002 and finished third in the tournament—a result that remains the club’s best since winning the Gold Cup in 2000.

“The young players who played under me and went on to represent their country and play professionally are way more important achievements,” he told the Trinidad & Tobago Guardian in 2014. “There were many and I was not the only influence, just happy to have contributed.”

Mixed results with Wanderers

Hart finishes his Wanderers coaching career with 26 wins, 30 draws, and 38 losses in all CPL matches. Only Forge FC’s Bobby Smyrniotis and Cavalry FC’s Tommy Wheeldon Jr. have coached more games for their CPL clubs than Hart. But while the coach’s longevity stands out among the league, the results weren’t always there to match. For two years running, the Wanderers have scored the fewest goals (28 and 24) of any CPL club.

Some of that, it could be argued, is a byproduct of the Wanderers’ youth.

“There’s a huge learning curve in training every day, having to come to work every day and be on top of your game. That’s not easy,” Hart told CanPL.ca’s Alex Gangué-Ruzic after the club’s end-of-season loss to Hamilton’s Forge FC on Oct. 9.

Some of the Wanderers’ misfortune is sheer bad luck: Two games into their 2022 campaign, star striker and reigning league Player of the Year João Morelli tore his ACL against Atlético Ottawa and missed the rest of the season. It’s not unreasonable to think a healthy Morelli—who scored 14 goals in 2021—would have helped the club’s win total. And even in his absence, the Wanderers nearly surprised in a hotly-contested 2-1 Canadian Championship quarterfinal loss to Major League Soccer’s Toronto FC.

But even still, the gap between the seventh-place Wanderers and fourth-place Pacific FC, which held the final playoff spot, was 17 points.

“This isn’t all on Stephen [Hart],” Martin tells The Coast. “But I think we owe it to our organization and to our fans to really cast a wide net [in search of a replacement].”

The Coast reached out to Hart for comment on his time with the Wanderers and what’s next, but he declined the invitation.

What comes next for Wanderers?

Hart was still under contract with the Wanderers for another season after signing a three-year extension in March 2021.

And while the club brought in former Real Madrid academy coach Alejandro Dorado in January 2022, Martin says there are no guarantees when it comes to the coaching staff next season. The same goes for much of the roster.

“The truth is that the group we've had has had, you know, two years now to perform on the pitch and for whatever reason, or reasons, we haven't been able to do it,” Martin says.

The Wanderers president says he expects “around 50%” of the Wanderers’ roster could turn over this offseason, with a number of expiring player contracts. (Determining who could be in or out is more difficult; unlike many other professional sports leagues, neither the league nor its clubs publicize a list of player contract lengths.)

As for finding Hart’s replacement, Martin hopes to hire a coach by November or December—and says he’s looking for someone who can “recruit and attract the highest quality players” and develop an “offensive, attacking style” that will excite fans.

“We want to be ready for the January window where a lot of players become available,” he says, adding he’s already fielded coaching inquiries from across Canada and overseas.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Controversial on November 14, 2022, 01:01:31 AM
Does the TTFA even have the money to pay a full coaching staff on the level of the US?

Because if we don't have that at the bare minimum we are fighting a losing battle. The way Canada and other nations are playing, TT needs a world class coaching staff to even compete, far less beat those teams now.

I've been away for a while but Eve and Corneal and others locally are not the answer, SH was the answer until the sabotage happened with DJW and now Hadad I heard doesn't command the trust of many locally. Plus this normalisation committee derailed the best options for leadership.

TT is controlled and oppressed, so I doubt they want someone who is a patriot and great coach like SH coming back to coach a TT team that could beat the big 4.

The nostalgia is gone from TT, it will never come back unless the right people are in charge and actually take back control without the normalisation committee and it's appointees that are controlled.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Tallman on July 04, 2023, 07:03:27 AM
Hart set for Soca Warriors return after T&T Gold Cup exit
By Walter Alibey (T&T Guardian)


Former T&T Soca Warriors coach, Canada-based Stephen Hart is set for a return at the helm of the team, as a replacement for the outgoing Angus Eve.

The 51-year-old Eve, who replaced Englishman Terry Fenwick in 2021 after this country’s failed 2022 FIFA World Cup qualification campaign, was initially handed the reigns of the team on an interim basis by the FIFA-appointed Normalisation Committee of the T&T Football Federation (T&TFA), before the CONCACAF Gold Cup 2021 preliminary round play-offs.

The 2021 playoffs started with a match against Montserrat which T&T won 6-1 and followed that up with an 8-7 penalty-kicks triumph after a 1-1 draw with French Guiana to secure a spot in the group stage.

During the Gold Cup, T&T drew goalless with Mexico, went under to El Salvador 0-2 and drew 1-1 with Guatemala to bow out at the round-robin stage.

Eve’s term as interim head coach began at the end of August 2021 and based on the display of the Soca Warriors under his charge, compared to the poor showing under the previous coach, Englishman Terry Fenwick, the NC decided to appoint the Carenage-born former national captain on September 7, 2021, ahead of the 2022 Concacaf Nations League 2022 on a full-time basis, until March 31, 2023, initially.

At the time, Eve, T&T’s most-capped player with 117 appearances was also a competent coach at top-flight TT football and at the youth level with Naparima College and Club Sando.

During his time in charge, Eve enjoyed a record of 12 wins, nine draws, and seven defeats, the last of which was a 6-0 drubbing at the hands of host and defending Concacaf Gold Cup champions USA at the Bank of America Stadium, Charlotte, Carolina on Sunday night, that ended T&T’s chances of reaching the quarterfinals for the fourth time, and the first since 2015 when Hart was at the helm.

Ironically, Hart also led the team to the last eight in 2013 while T&T placed third with Bertille St Clair after a 1-0 loss to eventual champions Canada in the semifinals.

With the loss on Sunday night, which followed a 4-1 defeat against Jamaica last Wednesday, the Soca Warriors ended third in Group A with three points, after their 3-0 win against St Kitts/Nevis in their opener, while USA and Jamaica both advanced to the knockout stage.

Among Eve’s wins, was a 9-0 triumph over Barbados and a 1-0 triumph away to Jamaica earlier this year in Jamaica, while his team also played to a 0-0 draw with Jamaica in March and with powerhouse Mexico to open their 2021 Gold Cup campaign.

However, his impressive stint as coach was stained by the last two Gold Cup defeats, along with a 5-0 loss away to Bolivia, and similar 2-1 defeats against Tajikistan, Nicaragua, and Thailand.

Coincidentally, the Soca Warriors' entry into the Gold Cup came after an initial 2-1 loss to Nicaragua in June last year, which was overturned to a 3-0 win for Nicaragua's use of an ineligible player.

According to a source close to the TTFA, despite the vast improvement of the team under Eve, the national coach does not have the full backing of the T&TFA officials, who are in favour of a return of Hart, who was previously head coach from 2013 to 2016 before he was sacked by the then T&TFA President, now deceased, David John-Williams.

The source added that Hart, who was replaced by Belgian Tom Saintfiet, who lasted just over a month in charge, was first contacted in February, but the former St Benedict's College man told the T&TFFA he prefered to wait until the position was vacant before starting discussions over a return to the top job of the national team.

Back then Hart was sacked on November 24, 2016, after a 3-1 loss away to Honduras in the Hexagonal Concacaf Final Round 2018 World Cup qualifiers which followed a 2-0 loss at home to Costa Rica, and a loss in extra-time to Martinique 2–0 in the Caribbean Cup.

Among the members of Hart’s staff at the time were assistant coaches Hutson “Barber” Charles, Derek King, and goalkeeper coach Michael “Brow” Maurice, which, along with Hart, led the national team to a record of 16 wins, 12 draws, and 15 defeats in 43 matches, reaching the Gold Cup quarterfinals in 2013 and 2015.

As coach of the Canada national team, on an interim and full-time basis, Hart enjoyed a record of 20 wins, ten draws, and 15 defeats in 45 matches combined.

Off the field, Hart won a court battle with the T&TFA for wrongful dismissal by the John-William-led administration and was awarded TT $5 million, after the latter failed to defend the matter.

The decision to fire Hart came after a meeting between John-Williams, technical committee chairman and former T&T Pro League Chief Executive Officer and national midfielder Dexter Skeene, deceased technical director Muhammad Isa, Eastern Counties Football Union representative Sherwyn Dyer and vice-president Allan Warner.

Hart enjoyed a sabbatical from coaching duties before returning to his adopted homeland of Canada as coach of the HFX Wanderers on June 28, 2018, for the Canadian Premier League season, but at the end of the 2022 season, Wanderers and the San Fernando-born Hart parted ways.

During his time at Wanderers, Hart was in 2020, named the Canadian Premier League ‘Coach of the Year’ after leading Halifax to an appearance in the league final during The Island Games.

During that competition, Wanderers turned heads by finishing second in the league in both the first round and four-team group stage, falling narrowly to Forge FC in a hard-fought final.

Hart also led the team through a solid 2021 season that saw them fall just barely short of the playoffs, in a year where star forward João Morelli won the league’s Golden Boot and Player of the Year award.

In 2022, HFX finished seventh in the CPL with 29 points, posting a record of eight wins, five draws, and 15 defeats.

According to the source, the decision to appoint Hart is a possibility, while Kenwyne Jones, a former national men’s team captain, and senior women’s coach is expected to be a member of his technical staff.

Guardian Media also learned that Jones recently turned down the Women's coaching job to join Hart.

According to the source, “Angus (Eve) was a possible target for the job as coach for the national women’s team, but he is now expected to return to duties with T&T Premier Football League club, Tiger Tanks Club Sando”.

With no international FIFA dates between now and the start of the 2023/2024 Concacaf Nations League, once confirmed in the job, Hart's first assignments will be League A action against Group A opponents,  Panama, Guatemala, El Salvador, Martinique, and Curaçao while Group B comprises Haiti, Jamaica, Honduras, Cuba, Suriname, and Grenada.

For Group Stage play, the 12 lowest ranked League A national teams were drawn into two groups of six teams each and will play in a “Swiss style” league system. In total, each team will play four games (two at home and two away). The groups are as follows:

After Group Stage play, in the FIFA Match Windows of September and October 2023, each group’s first and second-place finishers will advance to the CNL Quarterfinals, where they will join the four top-ranked League A national teams.

The quarterfinal round will be played in a home-and-away format in the FIFA Match Window of November 2023, with the aggregate score winners in each Quarterfinal matchup advancing to the 2024 CNL Finals and qualifying for the 2024 Conmebol Copa America. 

The four seeded nations in the Quarterfinals are (in alphabetical order): Canada, Costa Rica, Mexico, and the USA. 

The pairing for the quarterfinals will be determined based on the Concacaf Rankings of October 2023 (after the FIFA Window) and the 2023/24 CNL Group Stage results.

Quarterfinal 1: Fourth-ranked seeded team vs Best first place (1A/1B)

Quarterfinal 2: Third-ranked seeded team vs Next first place (1A/1B)

Quarterfinal 3: Second-ranked seeded team vs Best second place (2A/2B)

Quarterfinal 4: Best-ranked seeded team vs Next second place (2A/2B)

The remaining two Concacaf nations that will participate in the 2024 Conmebol Copa America will be determined via a single-match direct elimination Play-In between the four League A losing Quarterfinalists. This Play-In will also take place in March 2024. 
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: trini_stallion on July 04, 2023, 08:11:30 AM
Welcomed news
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Trini _2026 on July 04, 2023, 08:32:43 AM
Lol Trini Infinite must be happy now ...Hope Hart unearth some Gems.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Trini _2026 on July 04, 2023, 03:05:05 PM



Hart: I have not been contacted! Coach denies link to Soca Warriors job
Lasana Liburd Tuesday 4 July 2023 Global Football, Local Football, National Football, Volley Leave a comment


Former Soca Warriors head coach Stephen Hart has denied holding any talks with the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) regarding the position of Men’s National Senior Team head coach.

https://wired868.com/2023/07/04/hart-i-have-not-been-contacted-coach-denies-link-to-soca-warriors-job/
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: gawd on pitch on July 04, 2023, 05:25:00 PM
Someone let the cat out de bag. When stories like this comes out, there's usually an ounce of truth on both sides.

My guess is that the TTFA is considering approaching Hart. But they won't get rid of Angus with the "hope" that Hart returns. If some arrangement comes to be, I can see Angus being an assistant to Hart.

I think Hart will be back by the Nations league games. Eve will still be involved with the National team.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: kounty on July 04, 2023, 05:32:02 PM
GOP, like you ent hear the Fight Down Black coach Angus comments awah? Eve ent going and be no assistant to Hart.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Tallman on July 04, 2023, 05:42:21 PM
TTFA: No decision on Soca Warriors coaching job
By Jelani Beckles (T&T Newsday)

THE Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) said no decision has been made concerning the appointment of a new Soca Warriors head coach.

In media reports, on Tuesday, former Soca Warriors coach Stephen Hart was said to be in line to take over from Angus Eve.

T&T completed their 2023 Concacaf Gold Cup campaign on Sunday with a 6-0 defeat to the US. The result meant T&T finished third in Group A behind the US and Jamaica and did not qualify for the quarter-finals.

Prior to the match against the US, TT got past St Kitts/Nevis 3-0 then lost 4-1 to Jamaica.

A TTFA media release on Tuesday said, “The TTFA has advised that it has made no decision regarding the composition of the national senior men’s team’s technical staff. Reports on the appointment of a new coach are purely speculative and without foundation.”

The TTFA release said that T&T’s Gold Cup campaign will be looked at.

“The TTFA is currently undertaking a comprehensive review of the team’s performance and its recent results. The head coach, Angus Eve, is an integral part of the discussions, as his feedback is a critical part of the process. Future plans will be determined following the review and the TTFA will make an official statement at the appropriate time.”

Newsday tried to reach Eve and normalisation committee chairman Robert Hadad. Eve said he was unavailable to comment and Hadad could not be reached.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: gawd on pitch on July 04, 2023, 06:43:21 PM
Yes I read Eve comments. In this case, it's not a Joe Shmo white man from Europe.. In this case, it is Hart, a born Trinbagonian who has proven that he can do the job.

Eve is a good man. He's tried. I think he has the potential to guide the team somewhere. I just think now isn't the time for him. The results show. But working in conjunction with Hart, might set him up for future success with the team.

Based on the current state of the TTFA, I will say this for now, if they can't get Hart, then keep Eve. If they TTFA decides to pursue another coach, I don't think they can attract anyone better than Eve.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: ffisback on July 04, 2023, 07:33:00 PM
There is know TT coach that could fix TT football they are all bunch of armatures S Hart could not even cut it in the CPL his football is outdated if TT football is to become competitive they will have to do like Jamaica and hire a foreign coach.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: gawd on pitch on July 05, 2023, 10:20:20 AM
Who do you have in mind that will be willing to take the chance. I say Hart, because he is aware of what is going on with the TTFA.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Controversial on July 22, 2023, 04:04:15 AM
Hart coming back means he gets to finish his job and gets to have the right staff and team around him. Hopefully if they have the budget for it.

We will see, if he's back and isn't sabotagedand given what he needs and left alone, he will succeed.

Too much interference and sabotage in TT football.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Trini _2026 on July 22, 2023, 01:46:16 PM
FFisback hates SH  because he never picked Woo Ling
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: ffisback on July 23, 2023, 10:54:50 AM
S Hart could probably coach the WNT but lets face it guys he's just not good enough to coach in the men's game.
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Controversial on July 23, 2023, 05:25:04 PM
Shabazz speaks again

Hart is the best local coach, given a proper budget for a staff and the support staff and we will win..

Name a TT coach that is better or a coach that will actually care about coaching tt?
Title: Re: Stephen Hart Thread
Post by: Controversial on July 23, 2023, 05:37:31 PM
Tbh I don't even know how good woo ling is?
I read he's playing d2 in Iceland, does anyone have video of him recently?
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