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Sports => Football => Topic started by: sub1 on July 12, 2013, 05:58:29 PM
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if so, we have a real problem. The man slap a ball right back to an onrushing Haitian. Bleeder got to go. Keon is having one of I-am-sleepy game. otherwise we arrite. I believe that we can still win this match. Suddenly Haity is not looking as dangerois as they were against Honduras.
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It was not Williams fault, the defenders suppose to close down that guy.
Williams did good to save it but should have punch it out though.
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I agree and disagree. Any keeper worth his salt would have either collected cleanly or if in doubt punch hard. You don't parry a ball under pressure.
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It was poor goalkeeping.. first the save was a poor considering his footwork was slow..and he should have put it past the post or at least wide..not back into play...
and the thing that got me upset was his reaction to the rebound... goalkeepers do that drill every day when they hit the floor how fast the react to the second ball... very very very poor technique
I think Marvin is the better technically of the 2 but Jan is more commanding while Marvin seems a quiet guy , and maybe does not organize his defence as well by not being vocal enough
Jan has his suspect moments and has to work on his technique and concentration
the ideal thing would be for both to play away and sharpen up.... the pro league is doing them and us no favours
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It was not Williams fault, the defenders suppose to close down that guy.
Williams did good to save it but should have punch it out though.
He should have been at least in a position tuh affect the second shot.
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was thinking the same thing
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You should rename the thread, Trini Goalkeepers. I find it hard to believe that JMW, MP, and CJ is all we have to call on. For years these fellars are the only ones being used. Are there no other better keepers for T&T?
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I will never watch ahh another game if bleeder playing
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I will never watch ahh another game if bleeder playing
I am with you on that. If he plays against Honduras I will chk on the score after the game.
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It was not Williams fault, the defenders suppose to close down that guy.
Williams did good to save it but should have punch it out though.
It was Williams fault...you don't ever parry a ball into your box ...granted the defender should have been touch tight with the forward but better footwork wouldn't have had him making that reaction save
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We need a better keeper ASAP. His footwork is poorrrrr. Even the comentators said so. Time for a new keeper.
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The field was wet? I think that was the main thing that may have kept him from getting back up for the second shot.
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Absolute shit keepin for the first goal..terrible soft save but the defense was sleepin.... Still eh see any reason for jan to keep over Marvin when Marvin fit
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I will never watch ahh another game if bleeder playing
Bally i endorse this!!
Jan was poor tonight and was poor in the first game too, outside of the late reflex save. That first goal he got against El Salvador was poor. The free kick was down the middle. His reaction was poor because he set a wall and couldnt see the ball. the next time he saw it was when it was whizzing past his hand and down the middle of the goal. tonight that first goal was poor as well.
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Absolute shit keepin for the first goal..terrible soft save but the defense was sleepin.... Still eh see any reason for jan to keep over Marvin when Marvin fit
Marvin is not fit.
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jan is a poor keeper, a 3rd string in any of my teams, i always heard cleon john was good but i can't testify to that, in saying that, the defenders are 95% to blame for those 2 goals, high school defending, hoyte was the only man who look the part
phillips is better, he had 2 bad games and get drop, that to me was foolishness and should be blamed on the defenders,
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Absolute shit keepin for the first goal..terrible soft save but the defense was sleepin.... Still eh see any reason for jan to keep over Marvin when Marvin fit
IMO marvin woss than jan, trust meh!! don't believe me, then go back to the WCQ where marvin concede some real soft goals, plus he's not good on set pieces especially corners.
jan for me by a country mile.
PS: the man concede four goals in peru and another four in romania, you call that an option?? :o
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at the risk of being "contrarian" again like a man tell meh de other day, I will not be repeating what the commentators/analysts sayin' without thinking, understanding or analyzing for myself....most times "fundamentals" are very important in football (as in all sports) but GK coaches will tell you that sometimes you just have to let certain things go, as long as the GK can make the save. Sometimes they don't have the time to react the "fundamental" way and they do the best that they can. I say that because, unless Jan had time (which I don't think he did) to shuffle his feet and move across and catch the ball from a standing, fully upright position, or cradle it into his stomach, his footwork didn't matter once he got his two hands to the ball. now THAT is where I think his departure from the "fundamentals" (as I categorize it) is what hurt him/us. I think Jan could and should have caught that ball as opposed to parrying it. He could have even pushed it around the post for a corner and at semi-full stretch, it is easier to do that than with them low hard shots on the ground.....over the years, as I have seen JMW play, I find he tends to parry shots more than catch the ones that are catchable and it seems to be the norm with GK's in today's game. Iker Casillas is a next one that does that alot. They parry and punch and hardly ever think of catching the ball like GK's used to do back in the day. If Earl Carter was Jan's GK coach, I honestly believe you would see a difference because Earl was a "catcher"....just like men like VDS and Schmeichel.....and Richard Hood. (lol!)....I guarantee you, them men was either catching that shot or pushin' it wide for a corner.....
Jan WAS slow getting back up to deal with the rebound, though, he had no chance.....I am not bashing the man, I like the fella, I think he is a very classy, very humble, cool, level-headed, hard-working fella and I think that is one of the things that make the coaches give him the nod over Marvin, he really works hard in training....but I prefer Marvin myself....to me he just has more natural ability and sharper reflexes......Where is Glenroy Samuel why hasn't he made his way into this national team to compete for the shirt?
....on another note, ah rel likin' de new uniforms but oh LAWWD, man why dem pants and dem so friggin' tight?!
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In 2006 we had Clayton, Shaka ans Kelvin - all 3 were superior to the choices we have at the moment. The common denominator between the 3 is that they all played in England.
T&T keepers tend to be good shot stoppers, but, as mentioned here, technique is poor.
Keepers in T&T do not get proper GK coaching. Clubs look for a GK coach, but in many cases, they cannot find a coach who is sufficiently qualified to further develop them. Also, the facilities aren't available at the venues where teams train.
Specific work on strengthening wrists, work with bunji cords, fast feet exercises etc.
Walsall brought two trialist keepers to T&T and a GK coach. Watching them work opened my eyes. Even their pre match warm up was twice as long as we're used to here.
We need a TTFA appointed national GK coach to develop a national program to improve the standard of keepers.
As was mentioned, if Jan, Marvin or Cleon spent a few years overseas, they would be very good keepers. They just don't get the support here.
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Absolute shit keepin for the first goal..terrible soft save but the defense was sleepin.... Still eh see any reason for jan to keep over Marvin when Marvin fit
IMO marvin woss than jan, trust meh!! don't believe me, then go back to the WCQ where marvin concede some real soft goals, plus he's not good on set pieces especially corners.
jan for me by a country mile.
PS: the man concede four goals in peru and another four in romania, you call that an option?? :o
Tallman i know he not fit that why I eh really vex he eh starting now
One goal in those friendlies I blame on Marvin, the rest weren't his fault. He is the better shot stopper in MY opinion.. I agree Jan generally better on crosses, but not even close as a shot stopper. And the free kick and the shit save las night sealed that for me. Shoot I think my team in england would have cuss my ass if i parry that nice and soft down the middle. But I also said the defense was sleeping. Plenty blame to go around
But yuh welcome to your opinion. I also feel maybe they need to be challenged, doesn't seem like have had anyone coming to challenge for their spots
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Oh so de keeper is de problem? Point finger at dis player..dat player..allyuh eh easy nah..
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I would hate to fast track this youth, but the U20 GK from Houston Dynamo is technically better than ALL our senior keepers. Maybe Hart should consider inviting him to train with the senior team.
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As a ray of hope for the future, Central played a 19 year old keeper vs Walsall and he didn't do too badly.
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In 2006 we had Clayton, Shaka ans Kelvin - all 3 were superior to the choices we have at the moment. The common denominator between the 3 is that they all played in England.
T&T keepers tend to be good shot stoppers, but, as mentioned here, technique is poor.
Keepers in T&T do not get proper GK coaching. Clubs look for a GK coach, but in many cases, they cannot find a coach who is sufficiently qualified to further develop them. Also, the facilities aren't available at the venues where teams train.
Specific work on strengthening wrists, work with bunji cords, fast feet exercises etc.
Walsall brought two trialist keepers to T&T and a GK coach. Watching them work opened my eyes. Even their pre match warm up was twice as long as we're used to here.
We need a TTFA appointed national GK coach to develop a national program to improve the standard of keepers.
As was mentioned, if Jan, Marvin or Cleon spent a few years overseas, they would be very good keepers. They just don't get the support here.
Tony Waiters of NSCAA very good Instructor old now but very knowledgeable.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Waiters
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John Granville is a good coach ....
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Jan or marvin who is better? That depends on what yuh looking for. Jan is not great at anything bit across the board he is solid in all areas.
Marvin is a great shot stopper and has good reflexes but poor at handling crosses and has a bad attitude.
so if u want a good a keeper with reflexes then Marvin is the man...if u want a keeper no major deficiencies then Jan is the man.
Overall they are both about the same if you sum the parts.
None of them are close to Shaka, Ince, etc.
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Yeah dem tight pants have to go..........might improve dey pace :banginghead:
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Jan has one main flaw he palms/punches the ball consistently back into play from shots. Ive seen it many times , last night included
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Oh so de keeper is de problem? Point finger at dis player..dat player..allyuh eh easy nah..
One of the many problems
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I agree and disagree. Any keeper worth his salt would have either collected cleanly or if in doubt punch hard. You don't parry a ball under pressure.
Glad you noticed
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We need to call up Troy Marquis .
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I suspect many of you who are blaming Jan for the loss to Haiti never played goalkeeper(as no one really wants to be a goalkeeper coming up as a youngster). When I saw the first goal I definitely thought Jan should have parried wide...but then again when a keeper is under that kind of pressure, just blocking that bullet is a feat in and of itself. TnT's defense sucks so lets not scapegoat Jan. If a team has to rely on their goalkeeper to save them then it's already too late for them.
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no issue with Jan - he shoulda push wide or catch, yet he is our best goalie or the real point yuh made - he was making a 'wta shot is that' save..However, at the upper levels of team sports,everyteam depends on every player, especially the Goalie, if the games involves goalies.. he might not win the game for yuh, but better believe he could & would , in many cases, save a whole country tail from losing. So i think yuh wrong deh, no ?
"If a team has to rely on their goalkeeper to save them then it's already too late for them. "
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The youthman who played in the under 17 looks better than these keepers, I am dead serious with that statement too. If only he had a little more size, he could be putting these guys on the bench.
We need some scouts looking for keepers, these guys had many chances to rep, and have not shown anything special about their techniques in between the post.
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I suspect many of you who are blaming Jan for the loss to Haiti never played goalkeeper(as no one really wants to be a goalkeeper coming up as a youngster). When I saw the first goal I definitely thought Jan should have parried wide...but then again when a keeper is under that kind of pressure, just blocking that bullet is a feat in and of itself. TnT's defense sucks so lets not scapegoat Jan. If a team has to rely on their goalkeeper to save them then it's already too late for them.
Is two games now Jan sucking ass. He absolutely needed to push that shot wide... I doh care who play goalkeeper from who didn't, he do shit den lie down on de field like ah crapaud without trying to get back up for the rebound.
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no issue with Jan - he shoulda push wide or catch, yet he is our best goalie or the real point yuh made - he was making a 'wta shot is that' save..However, at the upper levels of team sports,everyteam depends on every player, especially the Goalie, if the games involves goalies.. he might not win the game for yuh, but better believe he could & would , in many cases, save a whole country tail from losing. So i think yuh wrong deh, no ?
"If a team has to rely on their goalkeeper to save them then it's already too late for them. "
Correct!! A GK may not win you a game as goals win matches and that's the stikers job but a GK sure can save you a game if he is doing a good job!!
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I suspect many of you who are blaming Jan for the loss to Haiti never played goalkeeper(as no one really wants to be a goalkeeper coming up as a youngster). When I saw the first goal I definitely thought Jan should have parried wide...but then again when a keeper is under that kind of pressure, just blocking that bullet is a feat in and of itself. TnT's defense sucks so lets not scapegoat Jan. If a team has to rely on their goalkeeper to save them then it's already too late for them.
Is two games now Jan sucking ass. He absolutely needed to push that shot wide... I doh care who play goalkeeper from who didn't, he do shit den lie down on de field like ah crapaud without trying to get back up for the rebound.
exactly....man blaming the defenders ( who at fault as well) but any keeper who worth anything would have tried to push the shot wide or out for a corner.
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I suspect many of you who are blaming Jan for the loss to Haiti never played goalkeeper(as no one really wants to be a goalkeeper coming up as a youngster). When I saw the first goal I definitely thought Jan should have parried wide...but then again when a keeper is under that kind of pressure, just blocking that bullet is a feat in and of itself. TnT's defense sucks so lets not scapegoat Jan. If a team has to rely on their goalkeeper to save them then it's already too late for them.
Is two games now Jan sucking ass. He absolutely needed to push that shot wide... I doh care who play goalkeeper from who didn't, he do shit den lie down on de field like ah crapaud without trying to get back up for the rebound.
What if i say power or a midfielder was suppose to be marking this man, the shot came in and the man just ran right up and got the rebound with no one on him, and to add insult this man was left free in the box again to hurt us, what about puttin a tail on this man like they had a tail on KJ all game??
same sh!t happened in guyana, leon cort was left alone and unmarked on a corbon copy play, free as a bird on the box, now this is atrocious defending! and we have to address that.
we have to know where our markers are @ all times, the big picture is, our midfield and defenders are not fit!! which results in losing their markers and forced errors which further leads to conceding.
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another thing our defender are guilty of is defending facing the ball in stead of facing the players.
i learn very early that yuh defend with your back to the goal, not with our back facing up field or off to the side, how in the world could you see the attacker running on?? :banginghead:
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no issue with Jan - he shoulda push wide or catch, yet he is our best goalie or the real point yuh made - he was making a 'wta shot is that' save..However, at the upper levels of team sports,everyteam depends on every player, especially the Goalie, if the games involves goalies.. he might not win the game for yuh, but better believe he could & would , in many cases, save a whole country tail from losing. So i think yuh wrong deh, no ?
"If a team has to rely on their goalkeeper to save them then it's already too late for them. "
Each team depends on their keeper. If we did not need a good keeper we would have kitted you out.
Our defence was a biyt weak too.
We will fight hard for a win next game. That is all.
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no issue with Jan - he shoulda push wide or catch, yet he is our best goalie or the real point yuh made - he was making a 'wta shot is that' save..However, at the upper levels of team sports,everyteam depends on every player, especially the Goalie, if the games involves goalies.. he might not win the game for yuh, but better believe he could & would , in many cases, save a whole country tail from losing. So i think yuh wrong deh, no ?
"If a team has to rely on their goalkeeper to save them then it's already too late for them. "
Each team depends on their keeper. If we did not need a good keeper we would have kitted you out.
Our defence was a biyt weak too.
We will fight hard for a win next game. That is all.
Who said anything about not needing a goalkeeper? I said doh blame the goalkeeper for your defensive mistakes and de goalie hadda take bullets in he ass.
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I eh blaming Jan for none ah dem goals that score on him. I ent hearing none ah allyuh talk bout the bicycle he saved...that was ah boss save....what? he cyar geh no love for dat?? Allyuh men only like to come on hear and pong man....well pong dem shitty defenders (#32) dat run on the pitch wearing we red!!
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I eh blaming Jan for none ah dem goals that score on him. I ent hearing none ah allyuh talk bout the bicycle he saved...that was ah boss save....what? he cyar geh no love for dat?? Allyuh men only like to come on hear and pong man....wel pong dem shitty defenders (#32) dat run on the pitch wearing we red!!
Yuh forgwt Trinis never satisfied. Even SH said it in his interview.
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no issue with Jan - he shoulda push wide or catch, yet he is our best goalie or the real point yuh made - he was making a 'wta shot is that' save..However, at the upper levels of team sports,everyteam depends on every player, especially the Goalie, if the games involves goalies.. he might not win the game for yuh, but better believe he could & would , in many cases, save a whole country tail from losing. So i think yuh wrong deh, no ?
"If a team has to rely on their goalkeeper to save them then it's already too late for them. "
Correct!! A GK may not win you a game as goals win matches and that's the stikers job but a GK sure can save you a game if he is doing a good job!!
what about the defenders' job?? They have to make sure that they ent putting their goalie under un-necessary pressure (That's why goalies does be bawling at the defensive line ) Jan doing he best. Not sure bout the defense.
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at the risk of being "contrarian" again like a man tell meh de other day, I will not be repeating what the commentators/analysts sayin' without thinking, understanding or analyzing for myself....most times "fundamentals" are very important in football (as in all sports) but GK coaches will tell you that sometimes you just have to let certain things go, as long as the GK can make the save. Sometimes they don't have the time to react the "fundamental" way and they do the best that they can. I say that because, unless Jan had time (which I don't think he did) to shuffle his feet and move across and catch the ball from a standing, fully upright position, or cradle it into his stomach, his footwork didn't matter once he got his two hands to the ball. now THAT is where I think his departure from the "fundamentals" (as I categorize it) is what hurt him/us. I think Jan could and should have caught that ball as opposed to parrying it. He could have even pushed it around the post for a corner and at semi-full stretch, it is easier to do that than with them low hard shots on the ground.....over the years, as I have seen JMW play, I find he tends to parry shots more than catch the ones that are catchable and it seems to be the norm with GK's in today's game. Iker Casillas is a next one that does that alot. They parry and punch and hardly ever think of catching the ball like GK's used to do back in the day. If Earl Carter was Jan's GK coach, I honestly believe you would see a difference because Earl was a "catcher"....just like men like VDS and Schmeichel.....and Richard Hood. (lol!)....I guarantee you, them men was either catching that shot or pushin' it wide for a corner.....
Jan WAS slow getting back up to deal with the rebound, though, he had no chance.....I am not bashing the man, I like the fella, I think he is a very classy, very humble, cool, level-headed, hard-working fella and I think that is one of the things that make the coaches give him the nod over Marvin, he really works hard in training....but I prefer Marvin myself....to me he just has more natural ability and sharper reflexes......Where is Glenroy Samuel why hasn't he made his way into this national team to compete for the shirt?
....on another note, ah rel likin' de new uniforms but oh LAWWD, man why dem pants and dem so friggin' tight?!
wtf like yuh take that to heart..chill nah padnah.....but I have to agree with something yuh tell me a couple years ago about technique and our players not ready
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Where is Glenroy Samuel why hasn't he made his way into this national team to compete for the shirt?
Look at his performances for Caledonia an you will know why. He is very erratic. When I first saw him at U-17 level, I thought he was one for the future, but even though eh went on to play for the U-20 team at the 2009 World Cup, he just has not progressed to the level that his youth potential suggested.
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I eh blaming Jan for none ah dem goals that score on him. I ent hearing none ah allyuh talk bout the bicycle he saved...that was ah boss save....what? he cyar geh no love for dat?? Allyuh men only like to come on hear and pong man....well pong dem shitty defenders (#32) dat run on the pitch wearing we red!!
just because ah man make ah big save in ah match dont mean he real good....a broken clock is right twice a day.
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I eh blaming Jan for none ah dem goals that score on him. I ent hearing none ah allyuh talk bout the bicycle he saved...that was ah boss save....what? he cyar geh no love for dat?? Allyuh men only like to come on hear and pong man....well pong dem shitty defenders (#32) dat run on the pitch wearing we red!!
You normally make sense but yuh on some shit here Pointman... Jan get biggup nuff times for that save on Zelaya... just go in the "Thread for the El Salvador Game" and read fuh yuhself. He was poor up until that save slow to react, heavy on his feet... overall just a sluggish performance. If not for the posts he woulda get exposed. Yuh want to focus on the defender who get leave out on the second goal... is de first goal we talking about here, leh we try and keep de riddim. I still supporting him, since from the information I have, he's the best option, if not in terms of ability, in terms of attitude. But I will criticize him as necessary as well.
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Awright fellas... we go hadda agree to disagree. I putting blame squarely on the shoulders of the defenders who letting we down time and again. Jan should have parried wide to first shot from Haiti but IMO he did the best he could at that point.
Anyway lehwe move on from this and wish dem fellas de best moving forward. BIG UP TNT.
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at the risk of being "contrarian" again like a man tell meh de other day, I will not be repeating what the commentators/analysts sayin' without thinking, understanding or analyzing for myself....most times "fundamentals" are very important in football (as in all sports) but GK coaches will tell you that sometimes you just have to let certain things go, as long as the GK can make the save. Sometimes they don't have the time to react the "fundamental" way and they do the best that they can. I say that because, unless Jan had time (which I don't think he did) to shuffle his feet and move across and catch the ball from a standing, fully upright position, or cradle it into his stomach, his footwork didn't matter once he got his two hands to the ball. now THAT is where I think his departure from the "fundamentals" (as I categorize it) is what hurt him/us. I think Jan could and should have caught that ball as opposed to parrying it. He could have even pushed it around the post for a corner and at semi-full stretch, it is easier to do that than with them low hard shots on the ground.....over the years, as I have seen JMW play, I find he tends to parry shots more than catch the ones that are catchable and it seems to be the norm with GK's in today's game. Iker Casillas is a next one that does that alot. They parry and punch and hardly ever think of catching the ball like GK's used to do back in the day. If Earl Carter was Jan's GK coach, I honestly believe you would see a difference because Earl was a "catcher"....just like men like VDS and Schmeichel.....and Richard Hood. (lol!)....I guarantee you, them men was either catching that shot or pushin' it wide for a corner.....
Jan WAS slow getting back up to deal with the rebound, though, he had no chance.....I am not bashing the man, I like the fella, I think he is a very classy, very humble, cool, level-headed, hard-working fella and I think that is one of the things that make the coaches give him the nod over Marvin, he really works hard in training....but I prefer Marvin myself....to me he just has more natural ability and sharper reflexes......Where is Glenroy Samuel why hasn't he made his way into this national team to compete for the shirt?
....on another note, ah rel likin' de new uniforms but oh LAWWD, man why dem pants and dem so friggin' tight?!
wtf like yuh take that to heart..chill nah padnah.....but I have to agree with something yuh tell me a couple years ago about technique and our players not ready
I was jes' being sarcastic.....and whatever it was I said, yes, I agree, too!
Where is Glenroy Samuel why hasn't he made his way into this national team to compete for the shirt?
Look at his performances for Caledonia an you will know why. He is very erratic. When I first saw him at U-17 level, I thought he was one for the future, but even though eh went on to play for the U-20 team at the 2009 World Cup, he just has not progressed to the level that his youth potential suggested.
I rel sorry to hyear dat, because at the youth level, he had all the right elements to be the next No.1 in trute....I would like to blame it on something somebody touched on earlier in the thread, I think was Football Supporter: if these players don't have the right coaches and the right facilities with the right training methods, they will never develop into their fullest potential.
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Jan Michael will come through big for us this Saturday, watch...
Glenroy Samuel.... please !!!!
Come on Jan, silence your critics.
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Glenroy Samuel ;)
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Lord boy
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Glenroy Samuel ;)
Who??!! :-\
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Ranjitsingh named One of Top Goalkeepers in Country MACON, Ga.
Sophomore goalkeeper Greg Ranjitsingh earned honorable mention recognition in an article ranking the top goalkeepers in the country according to TopDrawerSoccer.com on Friday morning.
Only 14 netminders from across the nation were named in the release, with Ranjitsingh being listed in the players under consideration section.
The well-deserved inclusion of Ranjitsingh in the article comes after a season that solidified him as one of the best goalkeepers in the nation. The NSCAA Second Team All-South Region and Atlantic Sun All-Conference second team netminder led the A-Sun with a 0.87 goals against average and 93 saves and ranked 12th in the country with a sparkling .838 save percentage.
Ranjitsingh and 17 other letterwinners from last year's squad that went 11-7-2 overall and lost in the A-Sun Championship title game for the second time in the last four seasons will return to Macon for preseason camp to kick-off the 2013 campaign this August.
To read the complete article on TopDrawerSoccer.com, click here.
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Moms on top of things. Tenor, this is the yute I was telling you about last week.