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Title: Local coaches vex that "foreigners" get to coach de senior mens national team
Post by: palos on August 01, 2013, 02:56:53 PM
Yet same vexed local coaches forever buying foreign players fuh dey PFL teams.

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Julian Wade (Montserrat) - F - from Bath Estate FC to Caledonia AIA.

Jamaal Smith (Guyana International born in Canada) - D - Caledonia AIA.

Miguel Romeo (Mid - Argentina) to Caledonia AIA.

Shemel Louison (GK - Grenada) to Caledonia from Queens Park Rangers.

Keith ‘Keithy’ Simpson  (Def - Jamaica) to North East Stars from Tivoli Gardens.

Caledonia AIA signed

Akeem Thomas (Def - Antigua),  Elvis Thomas (Fwd - Antigua), Vurlon Mills (Mid - Guyana), Shemol Trimmingham (Def - St Vincent), Miguel Alejardro (Mid - Canada), Douglas Da Rocha Poroca (Mid - Brazil).

COLOMBIAN-born goalkeeper Alejandro Figueroa has rejoined Digicel Pro League champion W Connection on a short-term deal until the end of the 2012/2013 season.

W Connection also signed Tresmain Paul (midfielder - St Lucia) from Pakis FC.

So "foreigners" = good for PFL

"Foreigners" = bad to coach national team

Title: Re: Local coaches vex that "foreigners" get to coach de senior mens national team
Post by: Sam on August 01, 2013, 03:07:36 PM
Look de list here Palas.

http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=58876.msg837421#msg837421

And it need to be updated, because Cali still signing Guyanese players.

Good point Palas.

Local coach is not good enough, even if they get all de support.

http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=56740.msg798868#msg798868


Title: Re: Local coaches vex that "foreigners" get to coach de senior mens national team
Post by: Deeks on August 01, 2013, 03:19:46 PM
I refuse to consider a Caricom national a foreign player. Yes we have we have seperate govts etc, but there is, I guess, an emotional attachment thru West Indies cricket that makes us a "NATION". That is my feelings.
Title: Re: Local coaches vex that "foreigners" get to coach de senior mens national team
Post by: Deeks on August 01, 2013, 03:20:44 PM
Local coach is not good enough, even if they get all de support.

I disagree with you, Breds!
Title: Re: Local coaches vex that "foreigners" get to coach de senior mens national team
Post by: Sam on August 01, 2013, 03:31:46 PM
De same caricom members who eliminate we from de past gold cups and world cups.

That real nice deeks, Chelsea should buy all Scottish and Irish players then.

Title: Re: Local coaches vex that "foreigners" get to coach de senior mens national team
Post by: Sam on August 01, 2013, 03:34:30 PM
De same caricom members who eliminate we from de Past gold cups and world cup.

That real nice deeks, Chelsea should buy all Scottish and Irish players then.



Eve had that team for 2 years, Bertille had his for de same, they play in all kinda camp.

Do u think Shabaaz woulda sub Theobald.

Title: Re: Local coaches vex that "foreigners" get to coach de senior mens national team
Post by: OutsideMan on August 01, 2013, 03:37:23 PM
Besides Shabazz and Corneal...which other local coaches in T&T have voiced similar negative opinions about hiring foreign coaches for the national team?
Title: Re: Local coaches vex that "foreigners" get to coach de senior mens national team
Post by: palos on August 01, 2013, 03:42:21 PM
I refuse to consider a Caricom national a foreign player. Yes we have we have seperate govts etc, but there is, I guess, an emotional attachment thru West Indies cricket that makes us a "NATION". That is my feelings.

West Indies cricket is a nation?

Doh make joke nah man.  Is really an emotional attachment you have dey in trute....because de REALITY is FAR different.

Wha part of Miguel Romeo (Argentina), Miguel Alejardro (Canada), Douglas Da Rocha Poroca (Brazil) and Alejandro Figueroa (Colombia) is CARICOM?

Dem Caricom nationals is de same ones did come een we Jean Pierre Stadium in 79 and cheer FOR de Australians and New Zealanders to beat we in de netball tournament.

And dat is not de only arena.  And doh talk bout dat was long time needah.  It happens to this day.

Fuh all de rivalry we have wit de Jamaicans, dem is de only ones in de region who we have even de slightest bit of togetherness with.  De ress a dem will smile up in we face and screw face behind we back.
Title: Re: Local coaches vex that "foreigners" get to coach de senior mens national team
Post by: Coop's on August 01, 2013, 03:59:36 PM
I don't think is just about foreigners getting to coach our Men's national  team,it's about any national team.

Again it's a little bit more than we think and the most important thing is the money a foreigner gets to what a local gets,the appreciation,the respect,the guys home just sees the money and not the work that goes along with it,the qualifications along with years of experience.If i was a TT coach i would vex too,i want the money and all the perks that goes along with it,travel etc etc   
Title: Re: Local coaches vex that "foreigners" get to coach de senior mens national team
Post by: ZURITRESS on August 01, 2013, 04:30:52 PM
I don't think is just about foreigners getting to coach our Men's national  team,it's about any national team.

Again it's a little bit more than we think and the most important thing is the money a foreigner gets to what a local gets,the appreciation,the respect,the guys home just sees the money and not the work that goes along with it,the qualifications along with years of experience.If i was a TT coach i would vex too,i want the money and all the perks that goes along with it,travel etc etc   
You get paid what you are qualified for , the coaches brought in are not from an unknown country with no pedigree, they have a proven track record at the highest level. You want to make the same money and get the same perks as a man that his CV is from an ivy league school to your GED, make sense nah man. If they get off their asses and attain proper qualifications like the ( current coach) then they have a case. Until then they and no other local owned any 40 acre's and certainly no mule. EARN SHIT
Title: Re: Local coaches vex that "foreigners" get to coach de senior mens national team
Post by: palos on August 01, 2013, 04:33:25 PM
I don't think is just about foreigners getting to coach our Men's national  team,it's about any national team.

Again it's a little bit more than we think and the most important thing is the money a foreigner gets to what a local gets,the appreciation,the respect,the guys home just sees the money and not the work that goes along with it,the qualifications along with years of experience.If i was a TT coach i would vex too,i want the money and all the perks that goes along with it,travel etc etc   

Yup.  Look how much "appreciation and respect" Maturana get. 

What you describe there is akin to youths in Trini bawling how they want to be professional football players.

They want the nice cars, and money, and girls, and fame, and fans chanting they name etc

Without having a clue about all the mornings waking up in rainy -5 degree temperature and having to run 5 miles before 8:00 am, then only eating boneless, skinless, steamed chicken breast and pasta, the hours upon hours of training, sacrifice, away from family and friends,  taking all sorts of abuse from coaches, having to be in bed by 9:00 pm on a friday night while yuh padnahs partying it up etc.

Title: Re: Local coaches vex that "foreigners" get to coach de senior mens national team
Post by: Coop's on August 01, 2013, 05:04:54 PM
I don't think is just about foreigners getting to coach our Men's national  team,it's about any national team.

Again it's a little bit more than we think and the most important thing is the money a foreigner gets to what a local gets,the appreciation,the respect,the guys home just sees the money and not the work that goes along with it,the qualifications along with years of experience.If i was a TT coach i would vex too,i want the money and all the perks that goes along with it,travel etc etc   
You get paid what you are qualified for , the coaches brought in are not from an unknown country with no pedigree, they have a proven track record at the highest level. You want to make the same money and get the same perks as a man that his CV is from an ivy league school to your GED, make sense nah man. If they get off their asses and attain proper qualifications like the ( current coach) then they have a case. Until then they and no other local owned any 40 acre's and certainly no mule. EARN SHIT
      Breds i totally agree with what you are saying here but why local Coaches don't get descent wages?why they have to wait three to four months or in one case a year to get paid?is a good thing these guys don't depend on this for a living may be if they did they would have improved themselves,i know guys since in my time who went England as a matter of fact our whole team went to England and did the FA badge,the highest qualification at that time and T&T never used us.
Title: Re: Local coaches vex that "foreigners" get to coach de senior mens national team
Post by: Sam on August 01, 2013, 06:07:55 PM
Coops yuh talking shit.

De local coaches signing verbal contracts, who fault is that.

They have chip on they shoulder.

They get no respect from the players.

They allow themselves to be run over by the federation.

They favor players at any cost.

They don't like foreign based players, even Brazil using foreign based players too.

They make our team play a poor brand.

They are not tactical.

They cannot coach outside de region.

They look for quick fix.

They bark de same excuses all de time.

The don't know how to organized anything on and off de field.

They have a complex and don't reason, they feel they reach once they get a coaching job.

Ask yourself how Hart and Beenhakker was able to take de same players de local coaches had and transform them in 2 weeks. And they never even play a friendly game under both men they just went into a tournament under prepared and still did decent.

Hart is Trini, King and Charles is Trinis too. So ah guess if Dennis Lawrence come back to T&T he go be a foreign coach too.

I guess coops is not local because he live in de States too and thank God he went there or else he woulda still be sniffing Gally and Jack shoes for nothing. How much did he accomplish since he went in de States.

If Tricia Cooper come back to T&T she go be foreign too, de same foreign coach coops begging to be recognize by de TTFA de other day, but let me guess she is your daughter, so there is a exception.

De thing is, men here dying for we players to go foreign and loving de fact that Lawerence is now with Everton staff but then complaining about foreign. Going foreign makes you are more blance coach and player.

Your stock goes up so yes, they deserve better because they bring more to de table and they experience too. They also not bias and pick de best players available, they are here for a job and gets it done, them eh care bout only picking Caledonia players or only signing St Luican or Guyanese players to there club.

De local coaches only want handouts and walk around feeling sorry for themselves instead of trying to take their jobs to a higher level, they expect de TTFA to just do everything for them, hold they hand.

Getting a FA badge dont make you a coach, I could go and sit in a classroom and get one too.

Even Cornell Glen came out and said it in public, Hart bring discipline to the team.

De local coaches have players who playing in Europe running around cones all day.

Title: Re: Local coaches vex that "foreigners" get to coach de senior mens national team
Post by: Sam on August 01, 2013, 06:14:38 PM
I refuse to consider a Caricom national a foreign player. Yes we have we have seperate govts etc, but there is, I guess, an emotional attachment thru West Indies cricket that makes us a "NATION". That is my feelings.

Yuh should go live in Jamaica and see how fast they kick yuh caricom ass out of they country.

See how much foreign players they have in they league, same with de other leagues in de caribbean.

Title: Re: Local coaches vex that "foreigners" get to coach de senior mens national team
Post by: just cool on August 01, 2013, 06:34:30 PM
Besides Shabazz and ALVIN Corneal...which other local coaches in T&T have voiced similar negative opinions about hiring foreign coaches for the national team?
Noooooo :shameonyou:

angus eve, clayton morris, brian williams, dexter skeene, david williams (connection chairman), feezer mohamed (journalist), and i think andre baptiste was another one, not 100% sure bout him though.
Title: Re: Local coaches vex that "foreigners" get to coach de senior mens national team
Post by: just cool on August 01, 2013, 06:37:04 PM
I refuse to consider a Caricom national a foreign player. Yes we have we have seperate govts etc, but there is, I guess, an emotional attachment thru West Indies cricket that makes us a "NATION". That is my feelings.

Yuh should go live in Jamaica and see how fast they kick yuh caricom ass out of they country.

See how much foreign players they have in they league, same with de other leagues in de caribbean.


Sad but true. 
Title: Re: Local coaches vex that "foreigners" get to coach de senior mens national team
Post by: just cool on August 01, 2013, 06:39:09 PM
Look de list here Palas.

http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=58876.msg837421#msg837421

And it need to be updated, because Cali still signing Guyanese players.

Good point Palas.

Local coach is not good enough, even if they get all de support.

http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=56740.msg798868#msg798868



What ah ting......... PALASS    :heehee:

SAM ALLYUH GOOD OUI!   :whistling:
Title: Re: Local coaches vex that "foreigners" get to coach de senior mens national team
Post by: Savannah boy on August 01, 2013, 06:51:00 PM
Man dis is topic of de day and I eh even crack open meh weekend Johnnie yet. Caricom Players is local now. So when Guyana, Antigua, Jamaica, Grenada and dem buss we arse, ah must enjoy it. Might as well bring in some Haitians, Cubans and our favourite Bermudans too. Well I never...Monstratians coming too to eat out we crapaud. Crapaud eh go smoke nobody pipe now because it eh go have no more crapaud. Caricom Players.Ha ha. What ah concept! Football is war breddren.
Title: Re: Local coaches vex that "foreigners" get to coach de senior mens national team
Post by: ZURITRESS on August 01, 2013, 07:32:17 PM
   Breds i totally agree with what you are saying here but why local Coaches don't get descent wages?why they have to wait three to four months or in one case a year to get paid?is a good thing these guys don't depend on this for a living may be if they did they would have improved themselves,i know guys since in my time who went England as a matter of fact our whole team went to England and did the FA badge,the highest qualification at that time and T&T never used us

Getting a badge is the first step, they now have to put in the time and learn they craft , even if it start as an apprenticeship, but getting your badge and staying in trini is spinning top in mud. they have the wrong mindset and that is why Jack Warner was able to control shit
Title: Re: Local coaches vex that "foreigners" get to coach de senior mens national team
Post by: Deeks on August 01, 2013, 08:32:36 PM
De same caricom members who eliminate we from de past gold cups and world cups.

That real nice deeks, Chelsea should buy all Scottish and Irish players then.



Scots, NI, Welch, English all have the same passport. They have that exception to the rule clause. The only country that has it.
And is the TTFF fault why we arse got licked out of the WC. You yourself know our team was not mentally prepared for the WC. That piece of  .... from CW who masquerading as robin hood, the inept TTFF admin and anil , are the real reason we not in the Hex. Don't blame Shabazz either. He prepared Guyana for that one game in Providence and rest is history. Why allyuh don't jump on Otto for "his failure". But all you know Otto was given a sinking ship and our campaign was destined for failure. And I would not even talk about the Bermuda game. Where was Otto tactics? He is ah big foreign coach. He got his money failed and rode out of town and allyuh have the f---king gall to throw aspersions on local coaches.  :bs:
Title: Re: Local coaches vex that "foreigners" get to coach de senior mens national team
Post by: OutsideMan on August 01, 2013, 08:50:54 PM
Besides Shabazz and ALVIN Corneal...which other local coaches in T&T have voiced similar negative opinions about hiring foreign coaches for the national team?

Noooooo :shameonyou:


Bro, I'm not there, and don't always get de up-to-date happenings.  Was just asking a question...wasn't making a statement.
Title: Re: Local coaches vex that "foreigners" get to coach de senior mens national team
Post by: davidephraim on August 02, 2013, 12:10:34 AM
That is a very good point about Otto. I'll be damned if he didn't come, fail, get he money and ride out and pedigree or no pe-degrees; failure is failure.  So, the question probably is; why does one get to fail better off (financially) and another doesn't? (meaning a local coach who fail). 

There is a genuine beef there but it all gets pushed under the rug since, by design, " Invited (guests)/ foreign- workers will always make more in yuh own country than the local; and most would argue that they should - shouldn't they?

There are arguments to support both sides of this argument!


Title: Re: Local coaches vex that "foreigners" get to coach de senior mens national team
Post by: Coop's on August 02, 2013, 01:38:11 AM
Sam according to you we have a lot more foreign Coaches than u think,Alvin Corneal,Anton Corneal,Keith Look Loy etc just to mane a few are foreign Coaches,Alvin i think is a FIFA Coach

Please don't talk about verbal contracts because the 96 WC team did the same and they got their money
Title: Re: Local coaches vex that "foreigners" get to coach de senior mens national team
Post by: Sam on August 02, 2013, 03:50:34 AM
Whats de problem coops.

Didn't Shabazz, King and Charles got their money ?

De 2006 Warriors spent 7 years trying to get they money because of VERBAL !!!..

Wake up nah.

Spare yuhself de trouble and do it like a professional, this verbal thing have trouble in it.

Yuh taking medicine for a bunch of dummy coaches who cant fight they own battle.

Title: Re: Local coaches vex that "foreigners" get to coach de senior mens national team
Post by: Sam on August 02, 2013, 03:52:49 AM
Deeks, Jamaica went to de world cup, so that means T&T went to, because we is Caricom.

Get de f00ck outta here.

How long NI and Wales fighting for independence ?

Title: Re: Local coaches vex that "foreigners" get to coach de senior mens national team
Post by: Deeks on August 02, 2013, 07:54:51 AM
Deeks, Jamaica went to de world cup, so that means T&T went to, because we is Caricom.

Get de f00ck outta here.

How long NI and Wales fighting for independence ?



Sam, NI, Wales and Scotland are not independent countries. You may call it quasi-independence if you want, but the final say all leads back to London. They all have British passports. Scotland will have referendum some time. Same like Catalonia and Spain.

The reason I bring up the Caricom analogy is because of TT historical role as a migrant haven for other islanders, specifically the Eastern Caribbean(Greneda, St. Lucia , St. Vincent, Barbados, Dominica, Guyana. And to a lesser extent JA, Antigua, Suriname). My roots is Lucian. A substantial amount of Trinis have roots from these places. Trinidadians have a very close affinity to people from there. You may not, but I do. So if Collie Hercules, Steuart Charles, etc  were to come to play in TT or decide to play for TT, I have no problem. Because a lot of them stay and contribute to the country. And it is disingenuous for allyuh to talk Guyanese bad when allyuh worship Chandrapaul, Bacchus, Khanhai, Lloyd etc. Wes Hall lived TT and with Witco formed the Wes Hall league. Dudnath Ramkissoon, Bernard Julien, Richard Gabriel and many TT cricketers benefited immensely from his coaching. When TT won it first 2 Shell shield, who you think lead to attack in bowling. The veteran Hall with the youthman Julien. And he played against his countrymen and I never heard  any Bajan call him traitor.
Title: Re: Local coaches vex that "foreigners" get to coach de senior mens national team
Post by: Deeks on August 02, 2013, 08:02:51 AM
Allyuh need to show the locals some respect. It is not easy working in the sports system in TT. Even if you were to come with all your papers and knowledge, you have to confront red tape. Right now UTT and the local institutions trying to fill the void for tertiary education. They are producing the local phys. education teachers. I guess allyuh don't respect that too.
Title: Re: Local coaches vex that "foreigners" get to coach de senior mens national team
Post by: Sam on August 02, 2013, 09:10:18 AM
Caricom is only for goods trade and cricket not football.

We have foreign born playing for T&T, it have nothing to do with naturalise citizenship.

And we respect local coaches, but they have to respect theyself first.

Title: Re: Local coaches vex that "foreigners" get to coach de senior mens national team
Post by: Deeks on August 02, 2013, 10:28:00 AM
Caricom is only for goods trade and cricket not football.

We have foreign born playing for T&T, it have nothing to do with naturalise citizenship.

And we respect local coaches, but they have to respect theyself first.



Ok you made your point. Although I may differ with you because of my EC roots, I will accept it at that.
Title: Re: Local coaches vex that "foreigners" get to coach de senior mens national team
Post by: sjahrain on August 02, 2013, 11:38:11 AM
One thing about the foreigner he coming on a clean slate,not connected to the corruption he about to inherit,them local man love to give you chat but cannot handle the answers,which they will use against you to the detrement of the team and the goals to be achieved
The achievements which SH managed to attain in three weeks out of basuically the same personnel,which Shabazz had for months speaks volumes,when one also consider,SH did not have the benifit of the pool of players he choose or that he had the luxury of a couple frendlies
Locals have alot of growing up to do,like stop accepting word of mouth,get it in writing and negotiate what you expect from the powers that are relevant to your employment,STOP running up your mouth after the axe fall on your neck because its all your fault
Get an agent.... :frustrated: :devil:b
Title: Re: Local coaches vex that "foreigners" get to coach de senior mens national team
Post by: AB.Trini on August 02, 2013, 12:07:40 PM
 This should never be an Us and Them if we are all in it for the benefit of TnT.  However it begs the question as to how could the TTFA assist and build capacity of our local coaches?  Could they establish funding to send the local coaches to clinics or bring in expertise and hols regular clinics for our  local based coaches? Maybe pursue internship opportunities for  them to work/ study/ mentor ship abroad for a season with different professional leagues- maybe in partnership with the proleague, this could be looked into. Inadvertently this would benefit the league, the players and our entire football programs.

It seems to me that one Anton Corneal has had the opportunity to work on many occasions with foreign based coaches and correct me if I am wrong has necessary  coaching qualification  yet for some reason has not taken on the reigns  in a concerted and sustainable manner to coach at the national level? What impact does his work as a technical  director have on our teams?

I believe that Huston Charles have the potential and the opportunity to learn lots from  working with Stephen Hart; I also see  Trinidad born coaches- B.Haynes ( Atlanta); Denis Lawrence who are plying their trade overseas as future potential in working with locally based coaches.
My two cents
Title: Re: Local coaches vex that "foreigners" get to coach de senior mens national team
Post by: vb on August 02, 2013, 12:19:56 PM
First of all,

how ppl born and grow up in TT could be considered foreign.

Then we don't want Chiannas, Lawrence, Brian Haynes, Skinner and others to come home.
These men are working with superior facilities and have access to a higher level of technical training. WHY would anybody begrudge them coming home once they have the proper qualifications.

We have seminars for our local coaches and some go abroad for further licenses.

The only Coach I ever knew who got to spend some time with a team and to see how things are done was Bertille with Man U back around 1999 when we gearing for the GC and WC. In fact I think it was paranoia in the TTFF (Jack) tail that make them send him to Manchester to spend time with Ferguson.

VB