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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: weary1969 on October 21, 2013, 10:25:47 AM
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I eh know if we had 1 before so it will be merged if we have one.
Today is the 1st day since 1991 the first time I voted I eh steups before during and after I vote.
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I eh know if we had 1 before so it will be merged if we have one.
Today is the 1st day since 1991 the first time I voted I eh steups before during and after I vote.
dais your conscience telling you yuh dutty your finger for the wrong party
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I eh know if we had 1 before so it will be merged if we have one.
Today is the 1st day since 1991 the first time I voted I eh steups before during and after I vote.
dais your conscience telling you yuh dutty your finger for the wrong party
At all when I was steupsing it was when I was concern now I know I can sleep even better than I usually can and I can real sleep.
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I eh know if we had 1 before so it will be merged if we have one.
Today is the 1st day since 1991 the first time I voted I eh steups before during and after I vote.
dais your conscience telling you yuh dutty your finger for the wrong party
At all when I was steupsing it was when I was concern now I know I can sleep even better than I usually can and I can real sleep.
i now have concerns. you just joined the large majority of sleeping voters in this once blessed land.
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PNM leading in most of the places. Diego Martin has gone to PNM
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.......and apparently
ILP Jack lost Felicity.....dais not part of he "heartland"?? Robin Montano done give the concession speech......well yes!! De performer cyar win Chaguanas borough??!!
WOW!!! Steups!!
Karma is firetrucking bitch!! Blasted ole tief!!! Yes ah rejoicing!!! :wavetowel: :wavetowel:
Time to get rid of this blasted fraud from the political landscape.......and ah find de FBI taking too damn long yes..... :waiting:
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Arima is back in PNM hands.
Tunapuna and Grande looking like PNM
San Fernando and Laventille looking like PNM
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when is general elections?
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Rowley like he was vex in that press conference. But I prefer subdued Rowley to bombastic Rowley.
I know is the rough feed, but one of them tv maps look like it was drawn with crayon.
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Rowley like he was vex in that press conference. But I prefer subdued Rowley to bombastic Rowley.
I know is the rough feed, but one of them tv maps look like it was drawn with crayon.
agreed.....still he startin to "sound" like he could lead, but den we been down dat road before so I eh holdin my breath just yet
also is just me or are d attempts to weave gold from shit on those PP "concession" ??? ::) :P speeches gettin bolder and dat much dumber with each passin loss :o :o :o my word :-\
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.......and apparently ILP Jack lost Felicity.....dais not part of he "heartland"?? Robin Montano done give the concession speech......well yes!! De performer cyar win Chaguanas borough??!!
WOW!!! Steups!!
Karma is firetrucking bitch!! Blasted ole tief!!! Yes ah rejoicing!!! :wavetowel: :wavetowel:
Time to get rid of this blasted fraud from the political landscape.......and ah find de FBI taking too damn long yes..... :waiting:
Thought it was Kamla yuh dey wid ... then I read it again.
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Voting suspended in two electoral districts
Monday, October 21, 2013
Guardian
Voters from two electoral districts will have to return to the polls tomorrow.
The Elections and Boundaries Commission (EBC) has ordered the immediate suspension of voting at two polling stations in the Point Fortin corporation.
Voters at polling station 4696 at the Guapo Government Primary School and polling station 4730 at the Point Fortin R.C. Primary School, both in the Point Fortin corporation, "had voted using the wrong ballot papers", according to a statement issued this evening by the EBC.
The EBC is probing the matter.
Voting will resume from 6 am to 6 pm for all voters whose names are on the EBC's revised list of electors, including those who had voted before the error was discovered.
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.......and apparently ILP Jack lost Felicity.....dais not part of he "heartland"?? Robin Montano done give the concession speech......well yes!! De performer cyar win Chaguanas borough??!!
WOW!!! Steups!!
Karma is firetrucking bitch!! Blasted ole tief!!! Yes ah rejoicing!!! :wavetowel: :wavetowel:
Time to get rid of this blasted fraud from the political landscape.......and ah find de FBI taking too damn long yes..... :waiting:
It says that people like Jack but they love the tribe more. Stay tuned Jack will either lose his seat in the next general election or it will be tight. Unless they try a partnership with Jack then he will win his seat but they lose the election for unmitigated skulduggery. The people don't want a coalition and they don't trust Kamla , Suruj, Moonilal, and Ramlogan or anybody who aligns themselves to them.
The COP is not just dead , it is ghost making spooky noises upstairs.
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So anybody saw Kamla speech at Rienzi and would like to comment. I doh watch them so can I get some non fb feedback please.
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So anybody saw Kamla speech at Rienzi and would like to comment. I doh watch them so can I get some non fb feedback please.
heard she might have been just ah little bit "tight" ::)
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So anybody saw Kamla speech at Rienzi and would like to comment. I doh watch them so can I get some non fb feedback please.
heard she might have been just ah little bit "tight" ::)
But u did not see it?
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So anybody saw Kamla speech at Rienzi and would like to comment. I doh watch them so can I get some non fb feedback please.
heard she might have been just ah little bit "tight" ::)
But u did not see it?
nah heard people that did say they were embarrassed for them and her though so it must have been "something"
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so jw is the new vote splitter for the pnm :D Rowley should thank him if PNM regains power...
but then you have to ask yourself the question, what the hell is the difference, both pnm and unc/pp are a waste of time... pnm had power for donkey years and squander it... unc has done marginally better but still falls on the wayside... people celebrating like if anything would change with Rowley as pm :D people home is ah joke oui...
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marginally my ass
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marginally my ass
So tell me lefty, what drastic improvement is going to happen if PNM regains power? What is so dynamic about their platform?
Here's another question, the real kicker, do you know who really runs T&T?
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marginally my ass
So tell me lefty, what drastic improvement is going to happen if PNM regains power? What is so dynamic about their platform?
Here's another question, the real kicker, do you know who really runs T&T?
I assure you no real improvement as the pnm have ah 'track record' as well. BUT at least the bleeding will stop. under this regime the 'ship' bleeding like the the exxon valdez.
the thing i still can't understand is how this day and age, a campaign promise of pipe-borne-water, good roads, cleared water ways and litter police is something to bribe voters. wft! this is the basic necessity the people should already demand. (heard this promise at a campaign meeting)
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marginally my ass
So tell me lefty, what drastic improvement is going to happen if PNM regains power? What is so dynamic about their platform?
Here's another question, the real kicker, do you know who really runs T&T?
I assure you no real improvement as the pnm have ah 'track record' as well. BUT at least the bleeding will stop. under this regime the 'ship' bleeding like the the exxon valdez.
the thing i still can't understand is how this day and age, a campaign promise of pipe-borne-water, good roads, cleared water ways and litter police is something to bribe voters. wft! this is the basic necessity the people should already demand. (heard this promise at a campaign meeting)
If you could be merely competent as a government in T&T you could stay in power forever. That is a low threshold and yet the parties often fail to reach it. Part of the problem is that the accountability that would need to go along with doing the job right is difficult to achieve if you engaging in bobol.
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marginally my ass
So tell me lefty, what drastic improvement is going to happen if PNM regains power? What is so dynamic about their platform?
Here's another question, the real kicker, do you know who really runs T&T?
Contro, tell we who really running TT. On the other hand, you have been on this forum for yrs. You know all about Jack and when election come, your party pick him and give him a kings ransom. From the time Kams went to bed with he, I never gave UNC the benefit of the doubt. Never. I was willing to look pass the missteps(new party in power, etc). The party talked about transparency and moving away from the arogance of White Hall. But just knowing she put Jack to weild a big stick and running his HNIC mouth just made me bias against PP. Sorry Bro. My vote would always be anti-Jack.
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Wtf Kamla take a drink. Look she face and she walk. Nahhh boy
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The COP is not just dead , it is ghost making spooky noises upstairs.
:rotfl:
Oh gorm!! All yuh leave de dead alone nah.....*tolls funeral bell*
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BTW, ah certain poster MIA since the THA election or possibly before....whey Warmonga??
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marginally my ass
So tell me lefty, what drastic improvement is going to happen if PNM regains power? What is so dynamic about their platform?
Here's another question, the real kicker, do you know who really runs T&T?
Contro, tell we who really running TT. On the other hand, you have been on this forum for yrs. You know all about Jack and when election come, your party pick him and give him a kings ransom. From the time Kams went to bed with he, I never gave UNC the benefit of the doubt. Never. I was willing to look pass the missteps(new party in power, etc). The party talked about transparency and moving away from the arogance of White Hall. But just knowing she put Jack to weild a big stick and running his HNIC mouth just made me bias against PP. Sorry Bro. My vote would always be anti-Jack.
My party? :D :D And exactly how is the PP/UNC or COP for that matter my party? What is that based on exactly? My race? My religion? It's funny because many years ago I was approached by the said party you confess I belong to, to join the junior ranks. I chose not to join, in fact by now I probably would have been a junior minister had I joined. But they don't mesh with my ideologies and what I envision for our nation, neither does the PNM, that was my grandparents party, not my party or cup of tea as they say.
You see ignorance knows no bounds, by condemning one party and making an objective opinion, doesn't classify someone as being a supporter or partisan of the opposition political party. It is a mere observation.
I met Jack a few times, very cordial and was willing to work on spreading the image of T&T football internationally. As a person I met I cannot condemn him because he treated me as an equal. Now, how T&T football was run, well that is a different story.
From a poli sci major, at the end of the day it is about who can run the nation better, that is the primary objective. Right now neither party has convinced me they are capable, so whether PP stay in power or not, it doesn't affect me. However, if you believe the PNM will be accountable you are living in a fantasy world, because in the ending, all of them are a setta "ole thief" waiting to make mas on the treasury.
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imagine in trinidad, u don't vote for who u like the best, but rather u does vote for who u hate the least.
how you could not hate ppl who can't admit they doing crap and losing every election since 2010? they beyond delusion yes... they will only get the message after they face a total wipe out in 2015 - sorry for we poor ppl til then.
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imagine in trinidad, u don't vote for who u like the best, but rather u does vote for who u hate the least.
how you could not hate ppl who can't admit they doing crap and losing every election since 2010? they beyond delusion yes... they will only get the message after they face a total wipe out in 2015 - sorry for we poor ppl til then.
sammy despite all we disagreement, I tort manning did deserve ah good kick too......mih conscience jus wouldn't let help d process because what I saw in d 2010 PP campaign was pure theatre and nutten more.......so with ah heavy heart and more than a little shame I vote PNM, and wished I would be proven wrong.....I did not get my wish...........and ah know you feelin it because yuh had high hopes for PP and take plenty licks when ting quickly went sour...perhaps unfairly too.....
but what we goh do....
believe or not my fear is dat if d pnm win d next GE and do shit deyself people goh fraid to move dem again, such is d bitter taste d PP leave in people mout' ..........sad eh?
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imagine in trinidad, u don't vote for who u like the best, but rather u does vote for who u hate the least.
how you could not hate ppl who can't admit they doing crap and losing every election since 2010? they beyond delusion yes... they will only get the message after they face a total wipe out in 2015 - sorry for we poor ppl til then.
sammy despite all we disagreement, I tort manning did deserve ah good kick too......mih conscience jus wouldn't let help d process because what I saw in d 2010 PP campaign was pure theatre and nutten more.......so with ah heavy heart and more than a little shame I vote PNM, and wished I would be proven wrong.....I did not get my wish...........and ah know you feelin it because yuh had high hopes for PP and take plenty licks when ting quickly went sour...perhaps unfairly too.....
but what we goh do....
believe or not my fear is dat if d pnm win d next GE and do shit deyself people goh fraid to move dem again, such is d bitter taste d PP leave in people mout' ..........sad eh?
Great is the PNM :devil:
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Lefty
You just did what I did steups before during and after and vote for Manning. All the issues persons had with Manning was really Hazel problem he arrogant etc. But d arrogant man had a plan 4 d country. So I looked at the policies and voted for the PNM. Same ting we said bout Robby he was aloof/arrogant etc but the man had a plan for the country.
When as a populace will we vote issues and not personalities? The only people I need to like is who I live wit so niether Kamla, Rowley or Jack eh living my me. But when u have a man who ride the murder of a man to get into power saying he will not call in the Fraud Squad because his man print his own CV insures that this time I eh steups b4 during or after. Murder alone is a crime according to Cadiz.
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so jw is the new vote splitter for the pnm :D Rowley should thank him if PNM regains power...
but then you have to ask yourself the question, what the hell is the difference, both pnm and unc/pp are a waste of time... pnm had power for donkey years and squander it... unc has done marginally better but still falls on the wayside... people celebrating like if anything would change with Rowley as pm :D people home is ah joke oui...
This is the fable being perpetuated by the UNC. A measure of 'vote splitting' did occur but more significantly PNM gained votes in many areas. Consider that PNM actually got the most votes in Chagaunas and it paints picture of the rest of the country. The 'UNC base was secured' (Ramlogan, Devant and Kamla actually used this term) but apart from that the rest country soundly rejected them. Vote splitting wasn't the issue at all.
The government is damn unpopular and had a shitty campaign and the ILP was not considered serious enough to control anything see: 'Anand see d goat' for reference.
unc has done marginally better but still falls on the wayside
By what metric ? serious question. Name a few points Economic , Social, Political ,National Security , International Relations, Quality of Life. I not trying to be facetious either.
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Wtf Kamla take a drink. Look she face and she walk. Nahhh boy
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10153387906815531
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10153385665735531&set=vb.441380062615459&type=3&theater
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so jw is the new vote splitter for the pnm :D Rowley should thank him if PNM regains power...
but then you have to ask yourself the question, what the hell is the difference, both pnm and unc/pp are a waste of time... pnm had power for donkey years and squander it... unc has done marginally better but still falls on the wayside... people celebrating like if anything would change with Rowley as pm :D people home is ah joke oui...
This is the fable being perpetuated by the UNC. A measure of 'vote splitting' did occur but more significantly PNM gained votes in many areas. Consider that PNM actually got the most votes in Chagaunas and it paints picture of the rest of the country. The 'UNC base was secured' (Ramlogan, Devant and Kamla actually used this term) but apart from that the rest country soundly rejected them. Vote splitting wasn't the issue at all.
The government is damn unpopular and had a shitty campaign and the ILP was not considered serious enough to control anything see: 'Anand see d goat' for reference.
u have time...GDP and d potential for growth and all round confidence in the economy has fallen badly...revenues are drying up .....and u tryin to convince ah man dat does sleep in a PP pajamas, while feigning otherwise of what really going on.......even elements of "dey base" might be ready to throw dem out, but for d few dat still slerpin d coolaid while d ship continues to sink
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Wtf Kamla take a drink. Look she face and she walk. Nahhh boy
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10153387906815531
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10153385665735531&set=vb.441380062615459&type=3&theater
absolutely disgusting. no 4king class (fuss time I cussing here?)
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so jw is the new vote splitter for the pnm :D Rowley should thank him if PNM regains power...
but then you have to ask yourself the question, what the hell is the difference, both pnm and unc/pp are a waste of time... pnm had power for donkey years and squander it... unc has done marginally better but still falls on the wayside... people celebrating like if anything would change with Rowley as pm :D people home is ah joke oui...
This is the fable being perpetuated by the UNC. A measure of 'vote splitting' did occur but more significantly PNM gained votes in many areas. Consider that PNM actually got the most votes in Chagaunas and it paints picture of the rest of the country. The 'UNC base was secured' (Ramlogan, Devant and Kamla actually used this term) but apart from that the rest country soundly rejected them. Vote splitting wasn't the issue at all.
The government is damn unpopular and had a shitty campaign and the ILP was not considered serious enough to control anything see: 'Anand see d goat' for reference.
u have time...GDP and d potential for growth and all round confidence in the economy has fallen badly...revenues are drying up .....and u tryin to convince ah man dat does sleep in a PP pajamas, while feigning otherwise of what really going on.......even elements of "dey base" might be ready to throw dem out, but for d few dat still slerpin d coolaid while d ship continues to sink
is this based on actual proof (please provide) or hearsay and political gallivanting
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imagine in trinidad, u don't vote for who u like the best, but rather u does vote for who u hate the least.
how you could not hate ppl who can't admit they doing crap and losing every election since 2010? they beyond delusion yes... they will only get the message after they face a total wipe out in 2015 - sorry for we poor ppl til then.
sammy despite all we disagreement, I tort manning did deserve ah good kick too......mih conscience jus wouldn't let help d process because what I saw in d 2010 PP campaign was pure theatre and nutten more.......so with ah heavy heart and more than a little shame I vote PNM, and wished I would be proven wrong.....I did not get my wish...........and ah know you feelin it because yuh had high hopes for PP and take plenty licks when ting quickly went sour...perhaps unfairly too.....
but what we goh do....
believe or not my fear is dat if d pnm win d next GE and do shit deyself people goh fraid to move dem again, such is d bitter taste d PP leave in people mout' ..........sad eh?
that is why the St. Joseph election is more important than most ppl realize. It is very important that Errol Fabien or another Independent wins so that genuine ppl may be encouraged to run for 2015.
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Rum till I die Kamla lol. Alyuh really need to see that video dread. She Drunk like a skunk.
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so jw is the new vote splitter for the pnm :D Rowley should thank him if PNM regains power...
but then you have to ask yourself the question, what the hell is the difference, both pnm and unc/pp are a waste of time... pnm had power for donkey years and squander it... unc has done marginally better but still falls on the wayside... people celebrating like if anything would change with Rowley as pm :D people home is ah joke oui...
This is the fable being perpetuated by the UNC. A measure of 'vote splitting' did occur but more significantly PNM gained votes in many areas. Consider that PNM actually got the most votes in Chagaunas and it paints picture of the rest of the country. The 'UNC base was secured' (Ramlogan, Devant and Kamla actually used this term) but apart from that the rest country soundly rejected them. Vote splitting wasn't the issue at all.
The government is damn unpopular and had a shitty campaign and the ILP was not considered serious enough to control anything see: 'Anand see d goat' for reference.
u have time...GDP and d potential for growth and all round confidence in the economy has fallen badly...revenues are drying up .....and u tryin to convince ah man dat does sleep in a PP pajamas, while feigning otherwise of what really going on.......even elements of "dey base" might be ready to throw dem out, but for d few dat still slerpin d coolaid while d ship continues to sink
There are actually two metrics he could point to :
1) Inflation
2) Murder rate (in absolute terms )
I was ready to argue that the inflation rate was already on the way down as was the murder rate without having to cut the development programme or implementing a bungled SoE respectively. This government on average has spent more than the PNM with little impact on growth or employment. It took them three years to return to growth while most of the America's returned to growth two years ago.
Despite the decline in the murder rate the security situation is worse due to semi-militarized enclaves becoming entrenched in certain communities threatening the security of neighbouring communities and producing civil unrest.
I have good reason to support the PNM . Tribalism and history aside they actually are the better government and the people know that.
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Wtf Kamla take a drink. Look she face and she walk. Nahhh boy
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10153387906815531
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10153385665735531&set=vb.441380062615459&type=3&theater
absolutely disgusting. no 4king class (fuss time I cussing here?)
Anand , Suruj and Moonilal real nasty too. They left Kamla to emabarrass herself and the party.
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Wtf Kamla take a drink. Look she face and she walk. Nahhh boy
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10153387906815531
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10153385665735531&set=vb.441380062615459&type=3&theater
TV6 show she without she glasses. She ain't even bother to wear make up or comb she hair. Plus she nearly fall down the stairs, people had to help she.
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so jw is the new vote splitter for the pnm :D Rowley should thank him if PNM regains power...
but then you have to ask yourself the question, what the hell is the difference, both pnm and unc/pp are a waste of time... pnm had power for donkey years and squander it... unc has done marginally better but still falls on the wayside... people celebrating like if anything would change with Rowley as pm :D people home is ah joke oui...
This is the fable being perpetuated by the UNC. A measure of 'vote splitting' did occur but more significantly PNM gained votes in many areas. Consider that PNM actually got the most votes in Chagaunas and it paints picture of the rest of the country. The 'UNC base was secured' (Ramlogan, Devant and Kamla actually used this term) but apart from that the rest country soundly rejected them. Vote splitting wasn't the issue at all.
The government is damn unpopular and had a shitty campaign and the ILP was not considered serious enough to control anything see: 'Anand see d goat' for reference.
u have time...GDP and d potential for growth and all round confidence in the economy has fallen badly...revenues are drying up .....and u tryin to convince ah man dat does sleep in a PP pajamas, while feigning otherwise of what really going on.......even elements of "dey base" might be ready to throw dem out, but for d few dat still slerpin d coolaid while d ship continues to sink
is this based on actual proof (please provide) or hearsay and political gallivanting
nah is not no hearsay, despite d expansion of gas, local downstream investment drying up, companies jus eh want to invest or stop projects at d planning phase........too much now thinkin and not enough tomorrow thinking and no d PP not d only one guilty ah dat......on top of dat non energy revenue stagnating and fiscal 2013 only slightly pass d figures for fiscal 2012.............ah does see spreadsheets :( ...............daiz all ah goh say , but we not where we could or should be given d rate recovery happening elsewhere and diss country earning potential
nothing going on..(in relative terms ofcourse
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like how she lickin up d las dregs on she lips lol...waste not want not
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like how she lickin up d las dregs on she lips lol...waste not want not
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Kamla :drool: for :beermug:
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so jw is the new vote splitter for the pnm :D Rowley should thank him if PNM regains power...
but then you have to ask yourself the question, what the hell is the difference, both pnm and unc/pp are a waste of time... pnm had power for donkey years and squander it... unc has done marginally better but still falls on the wayside... people celebrating like if anything would change with Rowley as pm :D people home is ah joke oui...
This is the fable being perpetuated by the UNC. A measure of 'vote splitting' did occur but more significantly PNM gained votes in many areas. Consider that PNM actually got the most votes in Chagaunas and it paints picture of the rest of the country. The 'UNC base was secured' (Ramlogan, Devant and Kamla actually used this term) but apart from that the rest country soundly rejected them. Vote splitting wasn't the issue at all.
The government is damn unpopular and had a shitty campaign and the ILP was not considered serious enough to control anything see: 'Anand see d goat' for reference.
u have time...GDP and d potential for growth and all round confidence in the economy has fallen badly...revenues are drying up .....and u tryin to convince ah man dat does sleep in a PP pajamas, while feigning otherwise of what really going on.......even elements of "dey base" might be ready to throw dem out, but for d few dat still slerpin d coolaid while d ship continues to sink
so jw is the new vote splitter for the pnm :D Rowley should thank him if PNM regains power...
but then you have to ask yourself the question, what the hell is the difference, both pnm and unc/pp are a waste of time... pnm had power for donkey years and squander it... unc has done marginally better but still falls on the wayside... people celebrating like if anything would change with Rowley as pm :D people home is ah joke oui...
This is the fable being perpetuated by the UNC. A measure of 'vote splitting' did occur but more significantly PNM gained votes in many areas. Consider that PNM actually got the most votes in Chagaunas and it paints picture of the rest of the country. The 'UNC base was secured' (Ramlogan, Devant and Kamla actually used this term) but apart from that the rest country soundly rejected them. Vote splitting wasn't the issue at all.
The government is damn unpopular and had a shitty campaign and the ILP was not considered serious enough to control anything see: 'Anand see d goat' for reference.
u have time...GDP and d potential for growth and all round confidence in the economy has fallen badly...revenues are drying up .....and u tryin to convince ah man dat does sleep in a PP pajamas, while feigning otherwise of what really going on.......even elements of "dey base" might be ready to throw dem out, but for d few dat still slerpin d coolaid while d ship continues to sink
There are actually two metrics he could point to :
1) Inflation
2) Murder rate (in absolute terms )
I was ready to argue that the inflation rate was already on the way down as was the murder rate without having to cut the development programme or implementing a bungled SoE respectively. This government on average has spent more than the PNM with little impact on growth or employment. It took them three years to return to growth while most of the America's returned to growth two years ago.
Despite the decline in the murder rate the security situation is worse due to semi-militarized enclaves becoming entrenched in certain communities threatening the security of neighbouring communities and producing civil unrest.
I have good reason to support the PNM . Tribalism and history aside they actually are the better government and the people know that.
The question that should be really asked is, have you supported any party outside the PNM? It demonstrates once again the tribalism that is a part of T&T society, the reason why it has deteriorated. I won't bother answering that dunce lefty, because all the talk about PNM he chatting, he has no sense in his head to even have an intelligent discussion. When he sleeping in the damn balizay... probably because he is a mapapi...
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so jw is the new vote splitter for the pnm :D Rowley should thank him if PNM regains power...
but then you have to ask yourself the question, what the hell is the difference, both pnm and unc/pp are a waste of time... pnm had power for donkey years and squander it... unc has done marginally better but still falls on the wayside... people celebrating like if anything would change with Rowley as pm :D people home is ah joke oui...
This is the fable being perpetuated by the UNC. A measure of 'vote splitting' did occur but more significantly PNM gained votes in many areas. Consider that PNM actually got the most votes in Chagaunas and it paints picture of the rest of the country. The 'UNC base was secured' (Ramlogan, Devant and Kamla actually used this term) but apart from that the rest country soundly rejected them. Vote splitting wasn't the issue at all.
The government is damn unpopular and had a shitty campaign and the ILP was not considered serious enough to control anything see: 'Anand see d goat' for reference.
u have time...GDP and d potential for growth and all round confidence in the economy has fallen badly...revenues are drying up .....and u tryin to convince ah man dat does sleep in a PP pajamas, while feigning otherwise of what really going on.......even elements of "dey base" might be ready to throw dem out, but for d few dat still slerpin d coolaid while d ship continues to sink
is this based on actual proof (please provide) or hearsay and political gallivanting
nah is not no hearsay, despite d expansion of gas, local downstream investment drying up, companies jus eh want to invest or stop projects at d planning phase........too much now thinkin and not enough tomorrow thinking and no d PP not d only one guilty ah dat......on top of dat non energy revenue stagnating and fiscal 2013 only slightly pass d figures for fiscal 2012.............ah does see spreadsheets :( ...............daiz all ah goh say , but we not where we could or should be given d rate recovery happening elsewhere and diss country earning potential
nothing going on..(in relative terms ofcourse
what was the earning potential of PNM under Patos? What was the image of the nation worldwide, try to step out of your myopic state and answer that, as well as the fact serious offences has dropped in T&T...
Rowley is not a leader and can't lead our nation to a better state. So right now it is tribalism talking from all those who supporting PNM and anyone coming on to say UNC/PP any different is also in the same boat. However, the country is doing better than when it was under Patos and stepping back to Rowley would cause the nation to fall back into that abyss. PNM needs a new leader that can actually prove that he/she is worthy to run the nation.
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so jw is the new vote splitter for the pnm :D Rowley should thank him if PNM regains power...
but then you have to ask yourself the question, what the hell is the difference, both pnm and unc/pp are a waste of time... pnm had power for donkey years and squander it... unc has done marginally better but still falls on the wayside... people celebrating like if anything would change with Rowley as pm :D people home is ah joke oui...
This is the fable being perpetuated by the UNC. A measure of 'vote splitting' did occur but more significantly PNM gained votes in many areas. Consider that PNM actually got the most votes in Chagaunas and it paints picture of the rest of the country. The 'UNC base was secured' (Ramlogan, Devant and Kamla actually used this term) but apart from that the rest country soundly rejected them. Vote splitting wasn't the issue at all.
The government is damn unpopular and had a shitty campaign and the ILP was not considered serious enough to control anything see: 'Anand see d goat' for reference.
unc has done marginally better but still falls on the wayside
By what metric ? serious question. Name a few points Economic , Social, Political ,National Security , International Relations, Quality of Life. I not trying to be facetious either.
No it is facts coming from educated individuals who have studied "POLITRICKS" at a high level world renowned educational institution. That understand the game that is being played and how it must be played to win. So no it is not the UNC propaganda machine, it is years of study that is not only coming from myself but individuals with a much higher level of education in the field of politics that are neutral and also do not support the UNC.
In closing, you call it a fable, but essentially which constituencies is JW focusing his efforts on? And is he not pulling votes from the PP in marginal seats?
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The question that should be really asked is, have you supported any party outside the PNM? It demonstrates once again the tribalism that is a part of T&T society, the reason why it has deteriorated. I won't bother answering that dunce lefty, because all the talk about PNM he chatting, he has no sense in his head to even have an intelligent discussion. When he sleeping in the damn balizay... probably because he is a mapapi...
You call it a fable, but essentially which constituencies is JW focusing his efforts on? And is he not pulling votes from the PP in marginal seats?
In both your responses you failed to offer anything substantial to rebut the claims expressed. I offered specific areas that one might point to evaluate government performance. Instead you chose to speculate that my party affiliation, which I might add I don't even attempt to hide is based on 'tribalism'. I have been on this forum for years and criticized multiple governments. This government's performance has far exceeded my suspicions about their nefarious motives and managed to do worse in all of the areas I highlighted. Your statement is tantamount to saying 'yellow is better than red because I said so'.
Even your vote splitting point was flippantly glossed over and lacked a modicum analysis. How does vote splitting account for the PNM getting the most votes in Chagaunas of all places or the PNM winning every single seat in corporations that they lost in 2010 ?
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I have said my piece and have no time to entertain pseudo intellectual crack heads....the REAL numbers speaks volumes by themselves
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The question that should be really asked is, have you supported any party outside the PNM? It demonstrates once again the tribalism that is a part of T&T society, the reason why it has deteriorated. I won't bother answering that dunce lefty, because all the talk about PNM he chatting, he has no sense in his head to even have an intelligent discussion. When he sleeping in the damn balizay... probably because he is a mapapi...
You call it a fable, but essentially which constituencies is JW focusing his efforts on? And is he not pulling votes from the PP in marginal seats?
In both your responses you failed to offer anything substantial to rebut the claims expressed. I offered specific areas that one might point to evaluate government performance. Instead you chose to speculate that my party affiliation, which I might add I don't even attempt to hide is based on 'tribalism'. I have been on this forum for years and criticized multiple governments. This government's performance has far exceeded my suspicions about their nefarious motives and managed to do worse in all of the areas I highlighted. Your statement is tantamount to saying 'yellow is better than red because I said so'.
Even your vote splitting point was flippantly glossed over and lacked a modicum analysis. How does vote splitting account for the PNM getting the most votes in Chagaunas of all places or the PNM winning every single seat in corporations that they lost in 2010 ?
Actually I answered part of your question in the response to lefty and also your padnah lefty pointed out an area of concern you had which also answered your question, so why should I answer it again? Wouldn't you say that is redundant, but I have no problem pointing out areas that this government has done better than the previous administration which you were very fond of and ignored it's fallacies because of party affiliation. But then it would boil down to a matter of opinion, where you would probably not agree with my perspective on neither a fiscal or monetary level. Which inevitably leaves us at a stalemate and back to where we began. Unless you are willing to display some sort of open mindedness, which I would find hard coming from a ardent supporter of PNM.
Nefarious? Which government of Trinidad & Tobago has not operated in some sort of nefarious way or the other? It boils down to who is doing a better job at managing the nation's resources and really put into a nutshell, the PM position is a high level project manager.
If you are in essence saying the people have spoken because of Chagaunas, then you need to factor in that other variables are at play here. JW is very popular in Chagaunas West, which I see you forgot to mention, as well as the fact that, even 1000 or less votes in certain constituencies, including marginals can make the difference between victory and defeat. So blatant disregard for these variables show that you are allowing your party affiliation to disrupt your objective thought process.
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I have said my piece and have no time to entertain pseudo intellectual crack heads....the REAL numbers speaks volumes by themselves
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Actually I answered part of your question in the response to lefty and also your padnah lefty pointed out an area of concern you had which also answered your question, so why should I answer it again? Wouldn't you say that is redundant, but I have no problem pointing out areas that this government has done better than the previous administration which you were very fond of and ignored it's fallacies because of party affiliation. But then it would boil down to a matter of opinion, where you would probably not agree with my perspective on neither a fiscal or monetary level. Which inevitably leave us at a stalemate and back to where we began. Unless you are willing to display some sort of open mindedness, which I would find hard coming from a ardent supporter of PNM.
Nefarious? Which government of Trinidad & Tobago has not operated in some sort of nefarious way or the other? It boils down to who is doing a better job at managing the nation's resources and really put into a nutshell, the PM position is a high level project manager.
If you are in essence saying the people have spoken because of Chagaunas, then you need to factor in that other variables are at play here. JW is very popular in Chagaunas West, which I see you forgot to mention, as well as the fact that, even 1000 or less votes in any constituency, including marginals I can make the difference between victory and defeat. So blatant disregard for these variables show that you are allowing your party affiliation to disrupt your objective thought process.
We gone back to this ? If someone votes for the PNM they can't be objective. Because you claim not to support any party that makes you objective. You're the same man who said Kamla, who appeared drunk on a platform celebrating a electoral loss was marginally better than Manning.
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Actually I answered part of your question in the response to lefty and also your padnah lefty pointed out an area of concern you had which also answered your question, so why should I answer it again? Wouldn't you say that is redundant, but I have no problem pointing out areas that this government has done better than the previous administration which you were very fond of and ignored it's fallacies because of party affiliation. But then it would boil down to a matter of opinion, where you would probably not agree with my perspective on neither a fiscal or monetary level. Which inevitably leave us at a stalemate and back to where we began. Unless you are willing to display some sort of open mindedness, which I would find hard coming from a ardent supporter of PNM.
Nefarious? Which government of Trinidad & Tobago has not operated in some sort of nefarious way or the other? It boils down to who is doing a better job at managing the nation's resources and really put into a nutshell, the PM position is a high level project manager.
If you are in essence saying the people have spoken because of Chagaunas, then you need to factor in that other variables are at play here. JW is very popular in Chagaunas West, which I see you forgot to mention, as well as the fact that, even 1000 or less votes in any constituency, including marginals I can make the difference between victory and defeat. So blatant disregard for these variables show that you are allowing your party affiliation to disrupt your objective thought process.
We gone back to this ? If someone votes for the PNM they can't be objective. Because you claim not to support any party that makes you objective. You're the same man who said Kamla, who appeared drunk on a platform celebrating a electoral loss was marginally better than Manning.
Try to understand the thought process, this current government has done better than the Manning led government. A true PNM supporter would choose not to vote, in order for PNM to lose the election in protest, the same goes for the UNC supporters. A true supporter of democracy and a progressive platform would vote for the party that manages the nation better, regardless of race and religion.
That is not the case with you because your voter apathy in certain electoral situations has demonstrated that you have one and only one affiliation regardless of whether PP/UNC was the better party at the time with a better platform.
In my perspective, if PNM appoints a better leader that can actually lead the nation and their platform has improved from the nonsense with Manning, PNM would be the party of choice. That is what a true voter who wants progress for their country would do, vote for the best platform and leader. That is what fundamentally separates me and you, objectivity.
In regards to your Kamla comment, did you give her a breathalyzer?
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I have said my piece and have no time to entertain pseudo intellectual crack heads....the REAL numbers speaks volumes by themselves
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says the arse hat dat lack basic understanding skills
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I have said my piece and have no time to entertain pseudo intellectual crack heads....the REAL numbers speaks volumes by themselves
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says the arse hat dat lack basic understanding skills
say what? I don't understand donkey...
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No it is facts coming from educated individuals who have studied "POLITRICKS" at a high level world renowned educational institution. That understand the game that is being played and how it must be played to win. So no it is not the UNC propaganda machine, it is years of study that is not only coming from myself but individuals with a much higher level of education in the field of politics that are neutral and also do not support the UNC.
In closing, you call it a fable, but essentially which constituencies is JW focusing his efforts on? And is he not pulling votes from the PP in marginal seats?
Appeal to (anonymous authority)... gratuitous (and vacuous) chest-thumping... intermingled with copious amounts of deflection.
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Try to understand the thought process, this current government has done better than the Manning led government. A true PNM supporter would choose not to vote, in order for PNM to lose the election in protest, the same goes for the UNC supporters. A true supporter of democracy and a progressive platform would vote for the party that manages the nation better, regardless of race and religion.
That is not the case with you because your voter apathy in certain electoral situations has demonstrated that you have one and only one affiliation regardless of whether PP/UNC was the better party at the time with a better platform.
In my perspective, if PNM appoints a better leader that can actually lead the nation and their platform has improved from the nonsense with Manning, PNM would be the party of choice. That is what a true voter who wants progress for their country would do, vote for the best platform and leader. That is what fundamentally separates me and you, objectivity.
In regards to your Kamla comment, did you give her a breathalyzer?
You can't just say they did better without pointing to evidence. What kind of argument is that ?
I indicated a few categories to help assess the performance of a government . Any government , anywhere in the world.
Economic issues (Unemployment, Growth, Inflation , Industrial Policy)
Social (Social Security, Education, Health )
Political (Executive Leadership, Legislation , etc.)
National Security
International Relations
Quality of Life.
Leaders and their Governments get elected and deposed for these factors all over the world.
My assertion was that PNM is the better government because they handled most of these factors better than the UNC et al. You never refuted this point which actually is still open for debate. Instead you used flowery text about the virtues of 'true voters' selecting the best 'leader' with the best 'platform'. How you assess the qualities of both is still unclear. All you said is Rowley is not a leader, so I suppose that's the end of the discussion. :rotfl: Ok lets for the sake of argument just consider the categories I indicated (most of which are actually measurable factors) as inferior yours , that being the 'leader' and 'platform'. Now what makes the UNC's Leader and platform better than the PNM's leader and Platform ?
I invite you to view the videos of the PM , it wasn't set up, it's not computer graphics. She's literally licking her lips ,singing , her speech is inappropriate, eating up her words and is unaware of what she won and what she lost.
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Economic issues (Unemployment, Growth, Inflation , Industrial Policy)
Social (Social Security, Education, Health )
Political (Executive Leadership, Legislation , etc.)
National Security
International Relations
Quality of Life.
the areas marked above. the only one I can clearly see that this gov't is failing miserably compared to ALL administrations before is Political (Executive Leadership, Legislation , etc.). Every gov't before has struggled to make any real inroads in any of these areas. The closest we came to being a nation actually tackling these issues (lawd I'll sound like patos step chile now) is under ANR.
what i dislike about this forum is that the few who comment about the political climate in the country are the ones affiliated to a party (even though they may try to sound impartial). why can't we have people comment on here who are truly concerned about the country and not which race party is running it? Don't you just love when the remark comes out - "you voted for them" flack people this is OUR land and if the democracy is not in your favor it's still a blasted democracy.
Kamla is a disgrace no two ways about it. Dismantle and blame!
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Try to understand the thought process, this current government has done better than the Manning led government. A true PNM supporter would choose not to vote, in order for PNM to lose the election in protest, the same goes for the UNC supporters. A true supporter of democracy and a progressive platform would vote for the party that manages the nation better, regardless of race and religion.
That is not the case with you because your voter apathy in certain electoral situations has demonstrated that you have one and only one affiliation regardless of whether PP/UNC was the better party at the time with a better platform.
In my perspective, if PNM appoints a better leader that can actually lead the nation and their platform has improved from the nonsense with Manning, PNM would be the party of choice. That is what a true voter who wants progress for their country would do, vote for the best platform and leader. That is what fundamentally separates me and you, objectivity.
In regards to your Kamla comment, did you give her a breathalyzer?
You can't just say they did better without pointing to evidence. What kind of argument is that ?
I indicated a few categories to help assess the performance of a government . Any government , anywhere in the world.
Economic issues (Unemployment, Growth, Inflation , Industrial Policy)
Social (Social Security, Education, Health )
Political (Executive Leadership, Legislation , etc.)
National Security
International Relations
Quality of Life.
Leaders and their Governments get elected and deposed for these factors all over the world.
My assertion was that PNM is the better government because they handled most of these factors better than the UNC et al. You never refuted this point which actually is still open for debate. Instead you used flowery text about the virtues of 'true voters' selecting the best 'leader' with the best 'platform'. How you assess the qualities of both is still unclear. All you said is Rowley is not a leader, so I suppose that's the end of the discussion. :rotfl: Ok lets for the sake of argument just consider the categories I indicated (most of which are actually measurable factors) as inferior yours , that being the 'leader' and 'platform'. Now what makes the UNC's Leader and platform better than the PNM's leader and Platform ?
I invite you to view the videos of the PM , it wasn't set up, it's not computer graphics. She's literally licking her lips ,singing , her speech is inappropriate, eating up her words and is unaware of what she won and what she lost.
that boy is the special type of idiot, the juvenile narcissistic idiot , never a good combo...as such attempts at intelligent discourse is oft wasted on said types of idiots and it often best to let them alone to wallow in the vacuous tripe they spew from their ...um brain.......or whatever it is that they have.............
dais d fellow dat kill him dead claimed bakes was/is "true trini" despite a plethora of evidence to the contrary presented to him......so take note.
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@mal jeux if you are referring to me I never pretend to be impartial, I voted PNM but I am always....always prepared to call shit, shit because at d end of d day indian ass african ass, shit is shit it smells the same and when it falls it falls on all of us, while I may be hyper aggressive with it, my views are always well intentioned..................and would surely vote for a flock of pigeon if I was sure they would put this country on d right track........
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@mal jeux if you are referring to me I never pretend to be impartial, I voted PNM but I am always....always prepared to call shit, shit because at d end of d day indian ass african ass, shit is shit it smells the same and when it falls it falls on all of us, while I may be hyper aggressive with it, my views are always well intentioned..................and would surely vote for a flock of pigeon if I was sure they would put this country on d right track........
leffs, it was a general statement (yuh basket holding wata). but i will direct a comment to you. in responding don't do the name calling thing as it takes away from the validity of what you have to offer.
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Anybody who cannot see the biggest mistake this country ever made was voting this hapless posse into power pass delusional. In 1995 it was bad with Bas but now it look like a walk in the park. Yes there was nepotism, their friends were fixed but the corruption now is out of the world. Man printing their own certificate and the Minister eh call in the Fraud Squad because he eh want 2 embarrass the culprit family.
When you interfere with the Public Service by simply not renewing contracts you affect the efficiency of an already poorly run service. Files my these hapless Ministers for years waiting on a response. It that bad.
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HIGHEST VOTERS EVER
Preliminary figures show 43.2% turnout at Monday’s local govt elections polls
By Stories by Ria Taitt Political Editor
Story Created: Oct 24, 2013 at 10:21 PM ECT
Story Updated: Oct 24, 2013 at 11:48 PM ECT
Contrary to earlier reports, Monday’s local government elections saw the highest turnout ever in a local government poll, according to preliminary figures of the Elections and Boundaries Commission (EBC).
Rather than being the lowest turnout ever as was being touted in early reports, the exact opposite is the case. 43.2 per cent, which is equal to 447,083 people, voted. This broke the record previously set by the 2010 local government election, which had a 39.1 per cent turnout, which came in the wake of the sweeping electoral victory of the People’s Partnership, two months earlier.
In Monday’s elections the People’s National Movement (PNM) received 188,393 votes; the UNC 154,842 and the ILP 102,918. The COP received 32,496 votes.
Most of the Independent Liberal Party (ILP) votes were garnered in the United National Congress (UNC) heartland. It received 38,993 votes in corporations along the East-West Corridor and the two southern municipalities, San Fernando and Point Fortin corporations. The rest of the ILP votes came from the corporations located in Central Trinidad.
In the 2010 local government election, the PNM received 130,605 votes, the UNC received 202,380 and the COP 64,473.
In terms of seats, the PNM won 85 of the total number of 136 seats, the UNC 44, the ILP three and the COP four.
The local government elections outcome is proving to be a “PR triumph” for the PNM. In terms of aldermen, the PNM is expected to receive 36 aldermen, the UNC 14, the ILP five and the COP one.
In six corporations of the eight corporations it won, the PNM is expected to be allocated all four aldermen. They are Diego Martin, Port of Spain, San Juan/Laventille, Tunapuna/Piarco, Arima and Point Fortin. In none of these corporations, the other parties got 25 per cent of the vote, which is required for the allocation of a alderman.
In the Diego Martin Corporation, the PNM received 67.1 per cent of the vote, while the COP got 13.9 per cent and 19 per cent. In the Port of Spain corporation, the PNM received 72.6 per cent of the vote, the COP received 15.8 per cent and the ILP 11.6 per cent.
In San Juan/Laventille, the PNM obtained 60 per cent, while the UNC got 20 per cent and the ILP 20 per cent. In the Tunapuna/Piarco regional corporation, the PNM received 51.1 per cent, while the COP received 23.9 per cent and the ILP 24.7 per cent. Since the COP and ILP are close to the 25 per cent threshold for an alderman, this could change when the EBC tabulates its final result for this corporation.
In Arima, the PNM received 57.9 per cent of the votes, while the COP got 19.7 per cent and the ILP 22.4 per cent. In Port Fortin the PNM got 64.1 per cent , the ILP 23.3 per cent and the Movement for Social Justice (MSJ), 3.9 per cent and National Joint Action committee (NJAC) 8.7 per cent.
Despite doing well in the PR system for aldermen, the PNM however continues to oppose proportional representation because the party contends that it leads to unstable government and reinforces polarisation within the society.
Significantly, the PNM got the majority of votes cast in the Siparia Municipal Corporation, which incorporates part of the Prime Minister’s constituency. The PNM received 41.3 per cent, while the UNC received 39.8 per cent and the ILP 18.9 per cent. The PNM and UNC are expected to receive two aldermen each, making the Corporation 7/6 in the UNC’s favour. Because the ILP received less than 25 per cent of the vote, they are not entitled to an alderman.
In the Sangre Grande Corporation where the PNM won five and the UNC three seats, the PNM would receive two alderman, the UNC one and ILP one.
In Chaguanas there would be a deadlock of 4-4-4 for the PNM, UNC and ILP.
In the Couva/Tabaquite/Talparo, the UNC and ILP would get two aldermen each. In Siparia, where the UNC won 5/4 against the PNM, the PNM and UNC would receive two aldermen each.
In Princes Town, the situation would be the same (two aldermen each for the PNM and UNC). In San Fernando, the PNM would receive three aldermen and the COP one. In Penal/Debe the UNC which won every seat would get all four aldermen. In Mayaro/Rio Claro the PNM and UNC would receive two aldermen each.
However, Government’s last minute proposed solution to the problem of representation with its introduction of proportional representation is proving to be somewhat of a hurdle for the EBC’s finalisation of the results.
Four days after the local government poll, the EBC is still to release the official figures of the 2013 local government election. And sources said the commission was still in a meeting up to press time last night on the issue of the allocation of aldermen with respect to certain corporations.
Initially the PNM and the EBC were not seeing eye to eye on the issue, prompting the party to dispatch a legal letter.
The Express yesterday, however, obtained the EBC’s preliminary figures. The EBC must provide the parties the allocation for aldermen today under the law.
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@mal jeux if you are referring to me I never pretend to be impartial, I voted PNM but I am always....always prepared to call shit, shit because at d end of d day indian ass african ass, shit is shit it smells the same and when it falls it falls on all of us, while I may be hyper aggressive with it, my views are always well intentioned..................and would surely vote for a flock of pigeon if I was sure they would put this country on d right track........
leffs, it was a general statement (yuh basket holding wata). but i will direct a comment to you. in responding don't do the name calling thing as it takes away from the validity of what you have to offer.
fair enough :beermug:
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HIGHEST VOTERS EVER
Preliminary figures show 43.2% turnout at Monday’s local govt elections polls
Thank you for posting. I was waiting to see the official result.
Significantly, the PNM got the majority of votes cast in the Siparia Municipal Corporation, which incorporates part of the Prime Minister’s constituency. The PNM received 41.3 per cent,
In Arima, the PNM received 57.9 per cent of the votes, while the COP got 19.7 per cent and the ILP 22.4 per cent. In Port Fortin the PNM got 64.1 per cent , the ILP 23.3 per cent and the Movement for Social Justice (MSJ), 3.9 per cent and National Joint Action committee (NJAC) 8.7 per cent.
In the Diego Martin Corporation, the PNM received 67.1 per cent of the vote, while the COP got 13.9 per cent and 19 per cent. In the Port of Spain corporation, the PNM received 72.6 per cent of the vote, the COP received 15.8 per cent and the ILP 11.6 per cent.
Whey , dem votes real split boi.
The highest ever turnout in local government election. The PNM won corporations with more than 50 % of the vote and got the most votes in Siparia and Chagaunas. Damn you Jack Warner for splitting the vote !!
Again the issue is not the ILP, the issue is the UNC how much people were unhappy with the. How do you blame tribalism or the ILP for these numbers ? smh In fact if we had to identify an area of naked tribalism is Chagaunas. Jack won his seat by margin of 3-1 and couldn't win the corporation because people retreated when it mattered. Mark my words, he's going to lose his seat next election if he goes up against the UNC.
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what i dislike about this forum is that the few who comment about the political climate in the country are the ones affiliated to a party (even though they may try to sound impartial). why can't we have people comment on here who are truly concerned about the country and not which race party is running it? Don't you just love when the remark comes out - "you voted for them" flack people this is OUR land and if the democracy is not in your favor it's still a blasted democracy.
:beermug:
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what i dislike about this forum is that the few who comment about the political climate in the country are the ones affiliated to a party (even though they may try to sound impartial). why can't we have people comment on here who are truly concerned about the country and not which race party is running it? Don't you just love when the remark comes out - "you voted for them" flack people this is OUR land and if the democracy is not in your favor it's still a blasted democracy.
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and as for this part that didn't happen by chance is one thing to Veto executive positions for political reasons is another thing to run roughshod through government institutions summarily dismissin people cause dey look PNM and yes Indians get discriminated against in this country but u right a wrong, if you get the chance, not act with Malicious intent against people dat mostly had little or nothing to do with what was a govt's failing out of some misguided sense of reciprocity.... dat just wrong.
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Jack not winning that seat again. Jackcity will return to its previous name Felicity
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Economic issues (Unemployment, Growth, Inflation , Industrial Policy)
Social (Social Security, Education, Health )
Political (Executive Leadership, Legislation , etc.)
National Security
International Relations
Quality of Life.
the areas marked above. the only one I can clearly see that this gov't is failing miserably compared to ALL administrations before is Political (Executive Leadership, Legislation , etc.). Every gov't before has struggled to make any real inroads in any of these areas. The closest we came to being a nation actually tackling these issues (lawd I'll sound like patos step chile now) is under ANR.
what i dislike about this forum is that the few who comment about the political climate in the country are the ones affiliated to a party (even though they may try to sound impartial). why can't we have people comment on here who are truly concerned about the country and not which race party is running it? Don't you just love when the remark comes out - "you voted for them" flack people this is OUR land and if the democracy is not in your favor it's still a blasted democracy.
Kamla is a disgrace no two ways about it. Dismantle and blame!
finally a comment that actually is sensible.. surprisingly coming from a man who sports the Red...
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No it is facts coming from educated individuals who have studied "POLITRICKS" at a high level world renowned educational institution. That understand the game that is being played and how it must be played to win. So no it is not the UNC propaganda machine, it is years of study that is not only coming from myself but individuals with a much higher level of education in the field of politics that are neutral and also do not support the UNC.
In closing, you call it a fable, but essentially which constituencies is JW focusing his efforts on? And is he not pulling votes from the PP in marginal seats?
Appeal to (anonymous authority)... gratuitous (and vacuous) chest-thumping... intermingled with copious amounts of deflection.
hardly deflection, but reality and as mal jeux pointed out, none have succeeded and even if I were to break down every category and explain my perspective to jah gol, and prove him wrong, he will still have the same mindset.
In Trinidad & Tobago, ignorance is bliss as my grandfather pointed out to me as a child. Men head hard and cannot reason bc they have the bias in them. So in the ending I will be wasting my time and effort to end up in the same place. Plus, what do I have to prove to Jah Gol :D absolutely nothing, because if he doesn't see the differences in party performance because he allows bias to rule, then exactly what am I going to say to change his mind.
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Anybody who cannot see the biggest mistake this country ever made was voting this hapless posse into power pass delusional. In 1995 it was bad with Bas but now it look like a walk in the park. Yes there was nepotism, their friends were fixed but the corruption now is out of the world. Man printing their own certificate and the Minister eh call in the Fraud Squad because he eh want 2 embarrass the culprit family.
When you interfere with the Public Service by simply not renewing contracts you affect the efficiency of an already poorly run service. Files my these hapless Ministers for years waiting on a response. It that bad.
so lets see, the only and worse nepotism and corruption existed under unc and pp? :bs: :bs: :D :D It's a good thing my family was well connected since independence to the pm and govt because I would be listening to your garbage and actually believing it, if I didn't know any better...
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Anybody who cannot see the biggest mistake this country ever made was voting this hapless posse into power pass delusional. In 1995 it was bad with Bas but now it look like a walk in the park. Yes there was nepotism, their friends were fixed but the corruption now is out of the world. Man printing their own certificate and the Minister eh call in the Fraud Squad because he eh want 2 embarrass the culprit family.
When you interfere with the Public Service by simply not renewing contracts you affect the efficiency of an already poorly run service. Files my these hapless Ministers for years waiting on a response. It that bad.
so lets see, the only and worse nepotism and corruption existed under unc and pp? :bs: :bs: :D :D It's a good thing my family was well connected since independence to the pm and govt because I would listening to your garbage and actually believing it, if I didn't know any better...
Well me and my family took the system that exist and achieve what we have without connection. You see the PNM set up a system where people from Laventille where I was born could have gone to Secondary School and UWI. When I went UWI it was not free. It was in NAR time when Public Servants was being paid late so when they got paid late my money was sent late to JA. All the talk bout PNM corruption OHolloran and Prevatt name those call. With yuh friends in the UNC is Ish/Steve/Carlos John/Finbar Ganger/Huggins/Panday/Fergusson/Brian and he gyul/cocaine in Sadiq water tank. Now for yuh friends in d PP they take diploma mill to new heights/ Section 34 and emailgate. Not 2 mention d Anointed Goat eh even charge Calder Hart for jaywalking.
So continue to believe Kamla marginally better than Manning. All yuh doh live here but know better than we who in it.
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Anybody who cannot see the biggest mistake this country ever made was voting this hapless posse into power pass delusional. In 1995 it was bad with Bas but now it look like a walk in the park. Yes there was nepotism, their friends were fixed but the corruption now is out of the world. Man printing their own certificate and the Minister eh call in the Fraud Squad because he eh want 2 embarrass the culprit family.
When you interfere with the Public Service by simply not renewing contracts you affect the efficiency of an already poorly run service. Files my these hapless Ministers for years waiting on a response. It that bad.
so lets see, the only and worse nepotism and corruption existed under unc and pp? :bs: :bs: :D :D It's a good thing my family was well connected since independence to the pm and govt because I would listening to your garbage and actually believing it, if I didn't know any better...
Well me and my family took the system that exist and achieve what we have without connection. You see the PNM set up a system where people from Laventille where I was born could have gone to Secondary School and UWI. When I went UWI it was not free. It was in NAR time when Public Servants was being paid late so when they got paid late my money was sent late to JA. All the talk bout PNM corruption OHolloran and Prevatt name those call. With yuh friends in the UNC is Ish/Steve/Carlos John/Finbar Ganger/Huggins/Panday/Fergusson/Brian and he gyul/cocaine in Sadiq water tank. Now for yuh friends in d PP they take diploma mill to new heights/ Section 34 and emailgate. Not 2 mention d Anointed Goat eh even charge Calder Hart for jaywalking.
So continue to believe Kamla marginally better than Manning. All yuh doh live here but know better than we who in it.
Like yuh miss my post to lefty and mal jeux post... All of sudden I am a UNC/PP supporter bc I am not a PNM till I die, neither am I a UNC/PP supporter by any means... :D :D
I find it hypocritical to talk about one party all the time when both of them are equally corrupt but as I pointed out to jah gol, allyuh not voting for platform or leader, is race and religion allyuh voting, tribalism, thank God I am from a mixed open minded family that promotes objectivity...
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Anybody who cannot see the biggest mistake this country ever made was voting this hapless posse into power pass delusional. In 1995 it was bad with Bas but now it look like a walk in the park. Yes there was nepotism, their friends were fixed but the corruption now is out of the world. Man printing their own certificate and the Minister eh call in the Fraud Squad because he eh want 2 embarrass the culprit family.
When you interfere with the Public Service by simply not renewing contracts you affect the efficiency of an already poorly run service. Files my these hapless Ministers for years waiting on a response. It that bad.
so lets see, the only and worse nepotism and corruption existed under unc and pp? :bs: :bs: :D :D It's a good thing my family was well connected since independence to the pm and govt because I would listening to your garbage and actually believing it, if I didn't know any better...
Well me and my family took the system that exist and achieve what we have without connection. You see the PNM set up a system where people from Laventille where I was born could have gone to Secondary School and UWI. When I went UWI it was not free. It was in NAR time when Public Servants was being paid late so when they got paid late my money was sent late to JA. All the talk bout PNM corruption OHolloran and Prevatt name those call. With yuh friends in the UNC is Ish/Steve/Carlos John/Finbar Ganger/Huggins/Panday/Fergusson/Brian and he gyul/cocaine in Sadiq water tank. Now for yuh friends in d PP they take diploma mill to new heights/ Section 34 and emailgate. Not 2 mention d Anointed Goat eh even charge Calder Hart for jaywalking.
So continue to believe Kamla marginally better than Manning. All yuh doh live here but know better than we who in it.
Like yuh miss my post to lefty and mal jeux post... All of sudden I am a UNC/PP supporter bc I am not a PNM till I die, neither am I a UNC/PP supporter by any means... :D :D
I find it hypocritical to talk about one party all the time when both of them are equally corrupt but as I pointed out to jah gol, allyuh not voting for platform or leader, is race and religion allyuh voting, tribalism, thank God I am from a mixed open minded family that promotes objectivity...
Well if I did 4get 2 mention OHolloran and Prevatt then I would have ignored PNM corruption. Is a good ting u eh UNC then u would refer 2 Kamla as a superb sober leader. What race u talkin bout more people in Chaguanas and Siparia voted PNM. All yuh keep being delusional this govt is more corrupt than all the govt past put together. Imagine Kamla say 2day that more of her govt policies would benefit more citizens. That begs the question that was not the case all the time. D people in Diego gave them the regional corporation their reward was flood after flood after flood. Imagine Barbara Mouteet of the chamber saying gr8 is the PNM on fb. Goodwoork Park and all vote PNM and you talking bout people voting race. What we sure about is they eh vote 4 d cabal.
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Try to understand the thought process, this current government has done better than the Manning led government. A true PNM supporter would choose not to vote, in order for PNM to lose the election in protest, the same goes for the UNC supporters. A true supporter of democracy and a progressive platform would vote for the party that manages the nation better, regardless of race and religion.
That is not the case with you because your voter apathy in certain electoral situations has demonstrated that you have one and only one affiliation regardless of whether PP/UNC was the better party at the time with a better platform.
In my perspective, if PNM appoints a better leader that can actually lead the nation and their platform has improved from the nonsense with Manning, PNM would be the party of choice. That is what a true voter who wants progress for their country would do, vote for the best platform and leader. That is what fundamentally separates me and you, objectivity.
In regards to your Kamla comment, did you give her a breathalyzer?
You can't just say they did better without pointing to evidence. What kind of argument is that ?
I indicated a few categories to help assess the performance of a government . Any government , anywhere in the world.
Economic issues (Unemployment, Growth, Inflation , Industrial Policy)
Social (Social Security, Education, Health )
Political (Executive Leadership, Legislation , etc.)
National Security
International Relations
Quality of Life.
Leaders and their Governments get elected and deposed for these factors all over the world.
My assertion was that PNM is the better government because they handled most of these factors better than the UNC et al. You never refuted this point which actually is still open for debate. Instead you used flowery text about the virtues of 'true voters' selecting the best 'leader' with the best 'platform'. How you assess the qualities of both is still unclear. All you said is Rowley is not a leader, so I suppose that's the end of the discussion. :rotfl: Ok lets for the sake of argument just consider the categories I indicated (most of which are actually measurable factors) as inferior yours , that being the 'leader' and 'platform'. Now what makes the UNC's Leader and platform better than the PNM's leader and Platform ?
I invite you to view the videos of the PM , it wasn't set up, it's not computer graphics. She's literally licking her lips ,singing , her speech is inappropriate, eating up her words and is unaware of what she won and what she lost.
that boy is the special type of idiot, the juvenile narcissistic idiot , never a good combo...as such attempts at intelligent discourse is oft wasted on said types of idiots and it often best to let them alone to wallow in the vacuous tripe they spew from their ...um brain.......or whatever it is that they have.............
dais d fellow dat kill him dead claimed bakes was/is "true trini" despite a plethora of evidence to the contrary presented to him......so take note.
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Anybody who cannot see the biggest mistake this country ever made was voting this hapless posse into power pass delusional. In 1995 it was bad with Bas but now it look like a walk in the park. Yes there was nepotism, their friends were fixed but the corruption now is out of the world. Man printing their own certificate and the Minister eh call in the Fraud Squad because he eh want 2 embarrass the culprit family.
When you interfere with the Public Service by simply not renewing contracts you affect the efficiency of an already poorly run service. Files my these hapless Ministers for years waiting on a response. It that bad.
so lets see, the only and worse nepotism and corruption existed under unc and pp? :bs: :bs: :D :D It's a good thing my family was well connected since independence to the pm and govt because I would listening to your garbage and actually believing it, if I didn't know any better...
Well me and my family took the system that exist and achieve what we have without connection. You see the PNM set up a system where people from Laventille where I was born could have gone to Secondary School and UWI. When I went UWI it was not free. It was in NAR time when Public Servants was being paid late so when they got paid late my money was sent late to JA. All the talk bout PNM corruption OHolloran and Prevatt name those call. With yuh friends in the UNC is Ish/Steve/Carlos John/Finbar Ganger/Huggins/Panday/Fergusson/Brian and he gyul/cocaine in Sadiq water tank. Now for yuh friends in d PP they take diploma mill to new heights/ Section 34 and emailgate. Not 2 mention d Anointed Goat eh even charge Calder Hart for jaywalking.
So continue to believe Kamla marginally better than Manning. All yuh doh live here but know better than we who in it.
Like yuh miss my post to lefty and mal jeux post... All of sudden I am a UNC/PP supporter bc I am not a PNM till I die, neither am I a UNC/PP supporter by any means... :D :D
I find it hypocritical to talk about one party all the time when both of them are equally corrupt but as I pointed out to jah gol, allyuh not voting for platform or leader, is race and religion allyuh voting, tribalism, thank God I am from a mixed open minded family that promotes objectivity...
You didn't even have the guts to respond to my post addressing just how elusive and cloudy your supposedly objective criteria are for selecting a government. That's normal , that could be overlooked. But then you make a sweeping claim under moniker of 'allyuh' that people, presumably myself included, only voting on race and party. If I deflect this misfired personal jab for a moment I will refer again to the actual results to show why that is not the case on a national level .
The PNM received the most number of votes in Chaguanas and Siparia, won every single seat in corporations that they lost altogether in 2010 and recorded gains in the number of votes attained, even in districts they lost. The significance of this is due to the Proportional representation system which this government implemented, that essentially rewards losing parties based on the percentage of votes they receive, actually benefited the PNM and not the UNC. This fact alone debunks the vote splitting theory vis a vis the ILP winning an election for the PNM . The unprecedented voter turnout and the increase in the number of PNM votes in every area including marginals and in traditional UNC strongholds debunks the tribalism argument altogether.
It is normal for voters to become by fatigued by governments over their course of time in office. This government however has conceded 3 goals early in second half , because is a pickup side. Maybe is because you don't live here you won't following the campaign. I listened or watched the public meetings of all the parties and there was a clear quality. It wasnt even close and it reflected in the results.
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Anybody who cannot see the biggest mistake this country ever made was voting this hapless posse into power pass delusional. In 1995 it was bad with Bas but now it look like a walk in the park. Yes there was nepotism, their friends were fixed but the corruption now is out of the world. Man printing their own certificate and the Minister eh call in the Fraud Squad because he eh want 2 embarrass the culprit family.
When you interfere with the Public Service by simply not renewing contracts you affect the efficiency of an already poorly run service. Files my these hapless Ministers for years waiting on a response. It that bad.
so lets see, the only and worse nepotism and corruption existed under unc and pp? :bs: :bs: :D :D It's a good thing my family was well connected since independence to the pm and govt because I would listening to your garbage and actually believing it, if I didn't know any better...
Well me and my family took the system that exist and achieve what we have without connection. You see the PNM set up a system where people from Laventille where I was born could have gone to Secondary School and UWI. When I went UWI it was not free. It was in NAR time when Public Servants was being paid late so when they got paid late my money was sent late to JA. All the talk bout PNM corruption OHolloran and Prevatt name those call. With yuh friends in the UNC is Ish/Steve/Carlos John/Finbar Ganger/Huggins/Panday/Fergusson/Brian and he gyul/cocaine in Sadiq water tank. Now for yuh friends in d PP they take diploma mill to new heights/ Section 34 and emailgate. Not 2 mention d Anointed Goat eh even charge Calder Hart for jaywalking.
So continue to believe Kamla marginally better than Manning. All yuh doh live here but know better than we who in it.
Like yuh miss my post to lefty and mal jeux post... All of sudden I am a UNC/PP supporter bc I am not a PNM till I die, neither am I a UNC/PP supporter by any means... :D :D
I find it hypocritical to talk about one party all the time when both of them are equally corrupt but as I pointed out to jah gol, allyuh not voting for platform or leader, is race and religion allyuh voting, tribalism, thank God I am from a mixed open minded family that promotes objectivity...
You didn't even have the guts to respond to my post addressing just how elusive and cloudy your supposedly objective criteria are for selecting a government. That's normal , that could be overlooked. But then you make a sweeping claim under moniker of 'allyuh' that people, presumably myself included, only voting on race and party. If I deflect this misfired personal jab for a moment I will refer again to the actual results to show why that is not the case on a national level .
The PNM received the most number of votes in Chaguanas and Siparia, won every single seat in corporations that they lost altogether in 2010 and recorded gains in the number of votes attained, even districts they lost. The significance of this is due to the Proportional representation system which this government implemented, that essentially rewards losing parties based on the percentage of votes they receive, actually benefited the PNM and not the UNC. This fact alone debunks the vote splitting theory vis a vis the ILP winning an election for the PNM . The unprecedented voter turnout and the increase in the number of PNM votes in every area including marginals and in traditional UNC strongholds debunks the tribalism argument altogether.
It is normal for voters to become by fatigued by governments over their course of time in office. This government however has conceded 3 goals early in second half , because is a pickup side. Maybe is because you don't live here you won't following the campaign. I listened or watched the public meetings of all the parties and there was a clear quality. It wasnt even close and it reflected in the results.
I responded but you never responded back, so stop your noise. I even gave a response to yuh padnah bakes as well. Why don't you respond to my response on the previous page, why are you jumping into a discussion with weary?
The reason why is because I hit the nail on the hit when it concerns your voting habits and apathy. ;)
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PM KPB: "Split in votes allowed the PNM in through the back door in the local govt election #byelection"
https://www.youtube.com/v/SWmYmAKG_wA&
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PNM names aldermen
PoS City Corporation:
1. Raymond Tim Kee.
2. Aasha Permanand.
3. Rono Callender.
4. James Chin Ching.
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PNM win St Joseph
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PNM win St Joseph
Up next Kamla speech saying she is still the PM.
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Ian get ah wettin....well not by much but still............ :P
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.............and as usual d UNC speakers refuse to acknowledge dat dey losing ground rapidly..........d amount of shit dem talk is unbelievable :bs: :bs: :D
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Errol Fabien stars in 300
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:heehee: :heehee: :heehee:
de man do real good.....which independent poll 300 in an election in recent times??
Errol 2015!! ;D
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:heehee: :heehee: :heehee:
de man do real good.....which independent poll 300 in an election in recent times??
Errol 2015!! ;D
:rotfl:
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Errol Fabien stars in 300
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This picture make the man look like he from a UNC stronghold area.