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Title: Ferguson, MO
Post by: elan on August 12, 2014, 10:54:16 PM
Anyone following this madness?

Where all the Republicans who talk about Police State and Constitutional Rights?


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Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: elan on August 12, 2014, 11:02:16 PM
Check this link out. (http://www.businessinsider.com/police-militarization-ferguson-2014-8)
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: asylumseeker on August 13, 2014, 01:45:10 AM
#IfTheyGunnedMeDown

 ... is trending.
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: elan on August 13, 2014, 11:02:38 AM
Paradox of Race in America (http://linkis.com/www.msnbc.com/all-in/Lb1Gq)
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: elan on August 13, 2014, 11:49:56 AM
USA or Middle East?

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Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: ribbit on August 13, 2014, 06:22:15 PM
I've heard and read less than 5 mins of coverage; the main point seem to be the looting. They didn't loot when Trayvon died. Anyway, heavy handed reactions that doh result in hundreds of casualties won't even make news these days. Plenty people getting killed in the world sad to say.
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: elan on August 13, 2014, 10:30:25 PM
I've heard and read less than 5 mins of coverage; the main point seem to be the looting. They didn't loot when Trayvon died. Anyway, heavy handed reactions that doh result in hundreds of casualties won't even make news these days. Plenty people getting killed in the world sad to say.

The Police banned news media, journalists, low flying aircraft from that area. What you wrote is what they want you to think, but it's much more than that.

Read this vvvvv



Two reporters arrested in Ferguson, Mo. (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/13/reporters-arrested-ferguson/14038067/)


Ferguson, Mo., police fired tear gas at demonstrators and arrested two reporters as the St. Louis suburb erupted for a fourth night after a police officer fatally shot an unarmed teen Saturday.

City officials had asked for calm, but police set up barricades and were out in force as the sun went down.

As a protest escalated, officers in riot gear moved in to close a McDonald's restaurant where reporters were writing and charging cellphones.

Reporters Wesley Lowery of The Washington Post and Ryan Reilly of The Huffington Post said on Twitter that police told them to stop recording the events, then took them into custody.

Reilly tweeted that police asked him for his ID when he took a photo. He said he and Lowery were arrested for "not packing their bags quick enough."

Lowery tweeted, "Officers slammed me into a fountain soda machine because I was confused about which door they were asking me to walk out of."

Los Angeles Times reporter Matt Pearce tweeted that when he contacted Ferguson police Chief Thomas Jackson and asked about the arrests of the reporters, Jackson responded, "Oh God."

Pearce said he spoke to the chief a second time and Jackson said he asked the riot command to release the reporters.

The Post is "relieved that Wesley is going to be OK" and "appalled by the conduct of police officers involved," Washington Post editor Martin Baron said. "That behavior was wholly unwarranted and an assault on the freedom of the press to cover the news."

Lowery won the Emerging Journalist of the Year award at the annual convention of the National Association of Black Journalists this month. NABJ President Bob Butler released a statement Wednesday night regarding the arrests.


"Journalists have a constitutionally protected right to work without the government interference," Butler said. "We call on -- and fully expect -- the authorities to investigate what appears to be a violation of the First Amendment and to hold the officers involved to account, if necessary."

Ryan Grin, Washington bureau chief of The Huffington Post, told Talking Points Memo, "This is what happens when local police are allowed to become para-military units."

Ferguson police could not immediately be reached Tuesday night.
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: elan on August 13, 2014, 10:35:43 PM
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Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: elan on August 13, 2014, 10:42:06 PM
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Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: elan on August 13, 2014, 10:47:25 PM
Police Fires Tear gas at Al Jazeera TV Crew

https://www.youtube.com/v/720_l3dgbYA&list=UU8op54WYWHOloW620_r6S1A
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: Bakes on August 14, 2014, 08:43:02 AM
The Police banned news media, journalists, low flying aircraft from that area. What you wrote is what they want you to think, but it's much more than that.

Read this vvvvv



Two reporters arrested in Ferguson, Mo. (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/13/reporters-arrested-ferguson/14038067/)


Ferguson, Mo., police fired tear gas at demonstrators and arrested two reporters as the St. Louis suburb erupted for a fourth night after a police officer fatally shot an unarmed teen Saturday.

City officials had asked for calm, but police set up barricades and were out in force as the sun went down.

As a protest escalated, officers in riot gear moved in to close a McDonald's restaurant where reporters were writing and charging cellphones.

Reporters Wesley Lowery of The Washington Post and Ryan Reilly of The Huffington Post said on Twitter that police told them to stop recording the events, then took them into custody.

Reilly tweeted that police asked him for his ID when he took a photo. He said he and Lowery were arrested for "not packing their bags quick enough."

Lowery tweeted, "Officers slammed me into a fountain soda machine because I was confused about which door they were asking me to walk out of."

Los Angeles Times reporter Matt Pearce tweeted that when he contacted Ferguson police Chief Thomas Jackson and asked about the arrests of the reporters, Jackson responded, "Oh God."

Pearce said he spoke to the chief a second time and Jackson said he asked the riot command to release the reporters.

The Post is "relieved that Wesley is going to be OK" and "appalled by the conduct of police officers involved," Washington Post editor Martin Baron said. "That behavior was wholly unwarranted and an assault on the freedom of the press to cover the news."

Lowery won the Emerging Journalist of the Year award at the annual convention of the National Association of Black Journalists this month. NABJ President Bob Butler released a statement Wednesday night regarding the arrests.


"Journalists have a constitutionally protected right to work without the government interference," Butler said. "We call on -- and fully expect -- the authorities to investigate what appears to be a violation of the First Amendment and to hold the officers involved to account, if necessary."

Ryan Grin, Washington bureau chief of The Huffington Post, told Talking Points Memo, "This is what happens when local police are allowed to become para-military units."

Ferguson police could not immediately be reached Tuesday night.


The Washington Post's Reporter's version (with Video):

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/in-ferguson-washington-post-reporter-wesley-lowery-gives-account-of-his-arrest/2014/08/13/0fe25c0e-2359-11e4-86ca-6f03cbd15c1a_story.html?hpid=z1
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: elan on August 14, 2014, 10:53:44 AM
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Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: Toppa on August 14, 2014, 05:48:22 PM
So what's the latest on the killing itself?
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: Trini _2026 on August 15, 2014, 10:38:05 AM
Ferguson police NAME officer who shot Michael Brown - but claim dead teen is primary suspect in 'strong-arm' robbery of store for a box of cigars just MINUTES before fatal confrontation

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2725917/Ferguson-police-Officer-Darren-Wilson-cop-shot-dead-unarmed-teenager-Michael-Brown.html#ixzz3ATlaE8eJ
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Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: ribbit on August 15, 2014, 12:38:01 PM
steups
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: Deeks on August 16, 2014, 08:16:58 AM
But seriously, the Black people  in Ferguson are either totally tolerant or totally dotish. Where in America will you find a municpality that 68% white but have the protective service that is 90%Black or  nonwhite, or the city council that is 90% Black or non-white.
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: Bakes on August 16, 2014, 10:19:24 AM
But seriously, the Black people  in Ferguson are either totally tolerant or totally dotish. Where in America will you find a municpality that 68% white but have the protective service that is 90%Black or  nonwhite, or the city council that is 90% Black or non-white.

It has to do with how many of them eligible and motivated to vote.  Read a comment elsewhere, not sure how true it is, that the median age among blacks is 28, and for whites it's 48.  An older more mature demographic is more likely to be politically involved.  Let's see how many participate after this.
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: ribbit on August 16, 2014, 04:52:22 PM
But seriously, the Black people  in Ferguson are either totally tolerant or totally dotish. Where in America will you find a municpality that 68% white but have the protective service that is 90%Black or  nonwhite, or the city council that is 90% Black or non-white.

It has to do with how many of them eligible and motivated to vote.  Read a comment elsewhere, not sure how true it is, that the median age among blacks is 28, and for whites it's 48.  An older more mature demographic is more likely to be politically involved.  Let's see how many participate after this.

We already see what happens when black people turn out to vote. They pick the blackest candidate and completely ignore policy.
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: Deeks on August 16, 2014, 07:03:27 PM
But seriously, the Black people  in Ferguson are either totally tolerant or totally dotish. Where in America will you find a municpality that 68% white but have the protective service that is 90%Black or  nonwhite, or the city council that is 90% Black or non-white.

It has to do with how many of them eligible and motivated to vote.  Read a comment elsewhere, not sure how true it is, that the median age among blacks is 28, and for whites it's 48.  An older more mature demographic is more likely to be politically involved.  Let's see how many participate after this.

We already see what happens when black people turn out to vote. They pick the blackest candidate and completely ignore policy.

True what you say, Bakes. And also the issue of deny voting rights to Blacks who have prison records. But Ribbit. Care to explain "they pick the blackest candidate and complete ignore" policy.
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: Bakes on August 16, 2014, 11:38:51 PM
But Ribbit. Care to explain "they pick the blackest candidate and complete ignore" policy.

Doh study Ribbit... not like he ever know what he talking about.
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: elan on August 17, 2014, 03:53:26 PM
steups

Ribbit, so what happen if he tief cigars?
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: ribbit on August 17, 2014, 03:55:39 PM
But seriously, the Black people  in Ferguson are either totally tolerant or totally dotish. Where in America will you find a municpality that 68% white but have the protective service that is 90%Black or  nonwhite, or the city council that is 90% Black or non-white.

It has to do with how many of them eligible and motivated to vote.  Read a comment elsewhere, not sure how true it is, that the median age among blacks is 28, and for whites it's 48.  An older more mature demographic is more likely to be politically involved.  Let's see how many participate after this.

We already see what happens when black people turn out to vote. They pick the blackest candidate and completely ignore policy.

True what you say, Bakes. And also the issue of deny voting rights to Blacks who have prison records. But Ribbit. Care to explain "they pick the blackest candidate and complete ignore" policy.

Let's instead spend some time on the under examined reaction to the killing: rioting and looting. Who else does this? Those that don't own businesses or have any stake in the security of their community. Business ownership and representation on the Police (and other civic roles with responsibility) don't have political answers but guarantee political palliatives will be happily swallowed by the black "community ". In fact it's clear from your comments you favour a political response no matter how meaningless it will ultimately prove.

And no I will not "explain" these comments; they're plain enough.]

Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: Bakes on August 17, 2014, 05:49:41 PM
You should probably spend more time examining and appreciating who it is doing the looting before yuh comment next time.
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: elan on August 17, 2014, 08:42:51 PM
But seriously, the Black people  in Ferguson are either totally tolerant or totally dotish. Where in America will you find a municpality that 68% white but have the protective service that is 90%Black or  nonwhite, or the city council that is 90% Black or non-white.

It has to do with how many of them eligible and motivated to vote.  Read a comment elsewhere, not sure how true it is, that the median age among blacks is 28, and for whites it's 48.  An older more mature demographic is more likely to be politically involved.  Let's see how many participate after this.

We already see what happens when black people turn out to vote. They pick the blackest candidate and completely ignore policy.

True what you say, Bakes. And also the issue of deny voting rights to Blacks who have prison records. But Ribbit. Care to explain "they pick the blackest candidate and complete ignore" policy.

Let's instead spend some time on the under examined reaction to the killing: rioting and looting. Who else does this? Those that don't own businesses or have any stake in the security of their community. Business ownership and representation on the Police (and other civic roles with responsibility) don't have political answers but guarantee political palliatives will be happily swallowed by the black "community ". In fact it's clear from your comments you favour a political response no matter how meaningless it will ultimately prove.

And no I will not "explain" these comments; they're plain enough.]



I think is either yuh misinformed, uninformed on the Ferguson situation, or just found an opportunity to spout this rhetoric.
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: asylumseeker on August 18, 2014, 05:19:19 AM
In Ferguson, Black Town, White Power

POLITICS, wrote the political scientist Harold Lasswell in 1936, is about “who gets what, when, and how.” If you want to understand the racial power disparities we’ve seen in Ferguson, Mo., understand that it’s not only about black and white. It’s about green.

Back in 1876, the city of St. Louis made a fateful decision. Tired of providing services to the outlying areas, the city cordoned itself off, separating from St. Louis County. It’s a decision the city came to regret. Most Rust Belt cities have bled population since the 1960s, but few have been as badly damaged as St. Louis City, which since 1970 has lost almost as much of its population as Detroit.

This exodus has left a ring of mostly middle-class suburbs around an urban core plagued by entrenched poverty. White flight from the city mostly ended in the 1980s; since then, blacks have left the inner city for suburbs such as Ferguson in the area of St. Louis County known as North County.
   
Ferguson’s demographics have shifted rapidly: in 1990, it was 74 percent white and 25 percent black; in 2000, 52 percent black and 45 percent white; by 2010, 67 percent black and 29 percent white.

The region’s fragmentation isn’t limited to the odd case of a city shedding its county. St. Louis County contains 90 municipalities, most with their own city hall and police force. Many rely on revenue generated from traffic tickets and related fines. According to a study by the St. Louis nonprofit Better Together, Ferguson receives nearly one-quarter of its revenue from court fees; for some surrounding towns it approaches 50 percent.

Municipal reliance on revenue generated from traffic stops adds pressure to make more of them. One town, Sycamore Hills, has stationed a radar-gun-wielding police officer on its 250-foot northbound stretch of Interstate.

With primarily white police forces that rely disproportionately on traffic citation revenue, blacks are pulled over, cited and arrested in numbers far exceeding their population share, according to a recent report from Missouri’s attorney general. In Ferguson last year, 86 percent of stops, 92 percent of searches and 93 percent of arrests were of black people — despite the fact that police officers were far less likely to find contraband on black drivers (22 percent versus 34 percent of whites). This worsens inequality, as struggling blacks do more to fund local government than relatively affluent whites.

By contrast, consider the city: After decades of methodically building political power, blacks in St. Louis City elected a black mayor in 1993 and black aldermen or alderwomen in nearly half the city’s wards, and hold two of three seats on the powerful Board of Estimate and Apportionment, which must approve all city contracts. Well-established churches, Democratic ward organizations and other civic institutions mobilize voters in black wards. But because blacks have reached the suburbs in significant numbers only over the past 15 years or so, fewer suburban black communities have deeply ingrained civic organizations.

That helps explain why majority-black Ferguson has a virtually all-white power structure: a white mayor; a school board with six white members and one Hispanic, which recently suspended a highly regarded young black superintendent who then resigned; a City Council with just one black member; and a 6 percent black police force.


Many North County towns — and inner-ring suburbs nationally — resemble Ferguson. Longtime white residents have consolidated power, continuing to dominate the City Councils and school boards despite sweeping demographic change. They have retained control of patronage jobs and municipal contracts awarded to allies.

The North County Labor Club, whose overwhelmingly white constituent unions (plumbers, pipe fitters, electrical workers, sprinkler fitters) have benefited from these arrangements, operates a potent voter-turnout operation that backs white candidates over black upstarts. The more municipal contracts an organization receives, the more generously it can fund re-election campaigns. Construction, waste and other long-term contracts with private firms have traditionally excluded blacks from the ownership side and, usually, the work force as well.

But there’s a potential solution that could help Ferguson reinvest in itself and also help African-Americans compete for a bigger share of the pie: consolidation with surrounding municipalities, many of which face similar challenges. The St. Louis region has seen some preliminary support for the idea, with resistance concentrated in smaller political units whose leaders are loath to surrender control.

Consolidation would help strapped North County communities avoid using such a high percentage of their resources for expensive public safety overhead, such as fire trucks. It could also empower the black citizens of Ferguson. Blacks incrementally gained power in St. Louis City in part because its size facilitates broader coalitions and alliances. Another benefit of consolidation is the increased political talent pool. Many leaders just aren’t interested in running a tiny municipality.

In shrinking cities, politics is often a nasty, zero-sum game. But consolidation could create economies of scale, increase borrowing capacity to expand economic opportunity, reduce economic pressures that inflame racial tension, and smash up the old boys’ network that has long ruled much of North County.

When the state patrol and the national television cameras leave Ferguson, its residents will still be talking about how they can move forward. And they may be ready to expand the conversation so that it’s not just about black and white, but green.

Jeff Smith is an assistant professor of urban policy at the New School and a former Missouri state senator from St. Louis.

(Source: New York Times Op-Ed)
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: Controversial on August 18, 2014, 08:16:24 AM
In Ferguson, Black Town, White Power

POLITICS, wrote the political scientist Harold Lasswell in 1936, is about “who gets what, when, and how.” If you want to understand the racial power disparities we’ve seen in Ferguson, Mo., understand that it’s not only about black and white. It’s about green.

Back in 1876, the city of St. Louis made a fateful decision. Tired of providing services to the outlying areas, the city cordoned itself off, separating from St. Louis County. It’s a decision the city came to regret. Most Rust Belt cities have bled population since the 1960s, but few have been as badly damaged as St. Louis City, which since 1970 has lost almost as much of its population as Detroit.

This exodus has left a ring of mostly middle-class suburbs around an urban core plagued by entrenched poverty. White flight from the city mostly ended in the 1980s; since then, blacks have left the inner city for suburbs such as Ferguson in the area of St. Louis County known as North County.
   
Ferguson’s demographics have shifted rapidly: in 1990, it was 74 percent white and 25 percent black; in 2000, 52 percent black and 45 percent white; by 2010, 67 percent black and 29 percent white.

The region’s fragmentation isn’t limited to the odd case of a city shedding its county. St. Louis County contains 90 municipalities, most with their own city hall and police force. Many rely on revenue generated from traffic tickets and related fines. According to a study by the St. Louis nonprofit Better Together, Ferguson receives nearly one-quarter of its revenue from court fees; for some surrounding towns it approaches 50 percent.

Municipal reliance on revenue generated from traffic stops adds pressure to make more of them. One town, Sycamore Hills, has stationed a radar-gun-wielding police officer on its 250-foot northbound stretch of Interstate.

With primarily white police forces that rely disproportionately on traffic citation revenue, blacks are pulled over, cited and arrested in numbers far exceeding their population share, according to a recent report from Missouri’s attorney general. In Ferguson last year, 86 percent of stops, 92 percent of searches and 93 percent of arrests were of black people — despite the fact that police officers were far less likely to find contraband on black drivers (22 percent versus 34 percent of whites). This worsens inequality, as struggling blacks do more to fund local government than relatively affluent whites.

By contrast, consider the city: After decades of methodically building political power, blacks in St. Louis City elected a black mayor in 1993 and black aldermen or alderwomen in nearly half the city’s wards, and hold two of three seats on the powerful Board of Estimate and Apportionment, which must approve all city contracts. Well-established churches, Democratic ward organizations and other civic institutions mobilize voters in black wards. But because blacks have reached the suburbs in significant numbers only over the past 15 years or so, fewer suburban black communities have deeply ingrained civic organizations.

That helps explain why majority-black Ferguson has a virtually all-white power structure: a white mayor; a school board with six white members and one Hispanic, which recently suspended a highly regarded young black superintendent who then resigned; a City Council with just one black member; and a 6 percent black police force.


Many North County towns — and inner-ring suburbs nationally — resemble Ferguson. Longtime white residents have consolidated power, continuing to dominate the City Councils and school boards despite sweeping demographic change. They have retained control of patronage jobs and municipal contracts awarded to allies.

The North County Labor Club, whose overwhelmingly white constituent unions (plumbers, pipe fitters, electrical workers, sprinkler fitters) have benefited from these arrangements, operates a potent voter-turnout operation that backs white candidates over black upstarts. The more municipal contracts an organization receives, the more generously it can fund re-election campaigns. Construction, waste and other long-term contracts with private firms have traditionally excluded blacks from the ownership side and, usually, the work force as well.

But there’s a potential solution that could help Ferguson reinvest in itself and also help African-Americans compete for a bigger share of the pie: consolidation with surrounding municipalities, many of which face similar challenges. The St. Louis region has seen some preliminary support for the idea, with resistance concentrated in smaller political units whose leaders are loath to surrender control.

Consolidation would help strapped North County communities avoid using such a high percentage of their resources for expensive public safety overhead, such as fire trucks. It could also empower the black citizens of Ferguson. Blacks incrementally gained power in St. Louis City in part because its size facilitates broader coalitions and alliances. Another benefit of consolidation is the increased political talent pool. Many leaders just aren’t interested in running a tiny municipality.

In shrinking cities, politics is often a nasty, zero-sum game. But consolidation could create economies of scale, increase borrowing capacity to expand economic opportunity, reduce economic pressures that inflame racial tension, and smash up the old boys’ network that has long ruled much of North County.

When the state patrol and the national television cameras leave Ferguson, its residents will still be talking about how they can move forward. And they may be ready to expand the conversation so that it’s not just about black and white, but green.

Jeff Smith is an assistant professor of urban policy at the New School and a former Missouri state senator from St. Louis.

(Source: New York Times Op-Ed)

good article seeker  :beermug:
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: elan on August 18, 2014, 10:44:58 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/KUdHIatS36A
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: elan on August 19, 2014, 02:26:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/eA-dtHoCZ-o
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: Bitter on August 22, 2014, 12:40:28 PM
Black America and the burden of the perfect victim

By Touré August 22 at 11:15 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/black-america-and-the-burden-of-the-perfect-victim/2014/08/22/30318ec2-27d1-11e4-958c-268a320a60ce_story.html


An information war is being waged in Ferguson, Mo., each salvo meant to shape public perceptions of Michael Brown and Darren Wilson.

Through this war we’ve learned that the 18-year-old Brown had marijuana in his system when he was killed, suggesting he was of poor character, and that police officer Wilson shot Brown six times, a use of force that could seem reckless or excessive. We’ve been told that Brown was a “gentle giant”who would have started attending classes at a technical college this month, but we’ve also seen a grainy convenience-store video in which he does not look gentle. We have seen a video of Wilson receiving an award, looking professional and happy, but we’ve also heard about him cursing at a Ferguson woman who had been maced, weeks before the town began to burn.

Such snippets and images are efforts to shape public opinion about these men. They could influence St. Louis County Prosecutor Bob McCulloch as he weighs whether to bring charges against Wilson. They could also influence the potential jury pool, showing prejudicial evidence that may not be admissible at trial.

In an information war, the news media is deployed as a weapon, our collective mind becomes a battlefield, and biases are land mines waiting to explode.

I feel confident stating that neither Brown nor Wilson is an angel — because no one is. But that doesn’t matter, because the two men have been reduced to symbols. Information wars suggest that character is destiny and that character is knowable, as if a handful of snapshots or tweets constitute an autopsy of the soul. They are waged in all kinds of legal battles, from civil suits to contract negotiations to public divorces.

But when there’s a black victim involved, the information takes a different and predictable turn: The victim becomes thuggified. This is an easy leap for many minds, given the widespread expectation of black criminality. If you become nervous when you see a young black male approaching on the street, it is not hard to convince you that a kid who was shot was not one of the “good ones,” that he was scary and maybe did something to deserve it. Information wars thrive on America’s empathy gap — the way some people struggle to see any kinship or shared humanity with strangers who don’t look like them.

So after 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was killed in Sanford, Fla., on Feb. 26, 2012, people were told that he had been suspended from school, that he had written graffiti, that he had smoked marijuana. As a result, many saw him as a thug — even though many non-thugs have been suspended from school or gotten high, and those are not violent acts. More important, none of that sheds any light on what happened the night George Zimmerman shot him.

In 2009, after 22-year-old Oscar Grant was fatally shot by a police officer named Johannes Mehserle while he was restrained at a BART station in Oakland, Calif., we learned that, three years earlier, Grant ran from officers after a traffic stop. Similarly, in 1991, after Rodney King was beaten by several Los Angeles police officers, we came to know that 63 days earlier, he was paroled after a robbery conviction.

Did such facts justify Grant’s death or King’s pain? Of course not. But they subtly signal that these guys aren’t good guys. It’s as if a black person must be a perfect victim in order to escape being thuggified, an angel with an unblemished history in order to warrant justice. The burden of the perfect victim suggests that only impeccable résumés may qualify for protection under the law and the support of the community.

We all remember Rosa Parks and how she earned sainthood status within America’s civil rights mythology: On Dec. 1, 1955, Parks refused to give up her seat on a segregated bus in Montgomery, Ala., and became an icon. But Parks was not the first to defy the rules. Nine months earlier, 15-year-old Claudette Colvin refused to give up her seat on a Montgomery bus. In aninterview last year with Democracy Now, Colvin said that when the cops arrived and ordered her to get up, “it felt like Sojourner Truth’s hands were pushing me down on one shoulder and Harriet Tubman’s hands were pushing me down on another shoulder, and I could not move.”

So they pulled her up and jailed her. Colvin sued and became one of the five plaintiffs in Browder v. Gayle, a desegregation case that would reach the Supreme Court. In November 1956, the court ordered the end of bus segregation in Alabama. Parks was not involved in that suit.

But Colvin did not become an icon of the civil rights movement. In a March 2009 interview, she told NPR that civil rights leaders at the time thought Parks would be a better symbol for the movement. Parks “was an adult,” Colvin said. “They didn’t think teenagers would be reliable.” She also speculated that Parks had the right look for the part. “Her skin texture was the kind that people associate with the middle class. She fit that profile.” By “texture,” she meant color, politely tapping into deep and painful associations between light-colored skin and acceptability.

Also, shortly after her arrest, Colvin became pregnant. She gave birth the same month as Parks’s historic arrest. It’s clear why the civil rights leaders did not want to coalesce around an unmarried teen mother. She was not a perfect victim. Her life and image could have distracted from the message. I understand that there was a movement to shepherd and that the wrong standard-bearer could have kneecapped it.

But when individuals arrive in the court of public opinion, or in a court of law, the burden of being a perfect victim in order to receive justice is impossibly heavy. It doesn’t allow for human fallibility. Is there any information from your past that could make you look bad? Any photo that, taken out of context, could portray you as someone you don’t recognize?

Most of us have something in our pasts we would not want revealed. And for black Americans, those facts too often are used to suggest that victims of injustice don’t deserve justice, because they weren’t some sort of credit to their race. In a nation where police often approach black communities with a dragnet, stopping and frisking everyone, marking as many black men as possible with a record, it would be hard to find a black male who looks like an angel.

But it doesn’t matter whether Brown was an angel. He was young and growing and human, and he made mistakes. That’s okay. The real question is not: Was Brown a good kid? The real question is: How are police officers supposed to treat citizens? California Attorney General Kamala Harris, a former prosecutor, has put it well: “Our penal code was not created just to protect Snow White.”

Michael Brown was not perfect. But few of us are. And that does not speak to whether we deserve to die.
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: ribbit on August 22, 2014, 01:37:24 PM
If you were to give advice to a hypothetical young black man if they should run from police during a confrontation, what would the answer be?
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: fari on August 23, 2014, 09:58:56 AM
http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-08-21/trinidadian-immigrant-reflects-her-hometown-ferguson-missouri
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: Tiresais on August 23, 2014, 12:15:03 PM
If you were to give advice to a hypothetical young black man if they should run from police during a confrontation, what would the answer be?

Run to the airport and move somewhere less racist?
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: Bakes on August 23, 2014, 04:43:00 PM
http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-08-21/trinidadian-immigrant-reflects-her-hometown-ferguson-missouri

As I said on FB yesterday.. this woman is a f**king tun tun.
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: elan on August 23, 2014, 09:40:55 PM
These are the guys who pulling you over everyday.


Offensive Police Speech (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2732402/I-ve-killed-lot-And-I-need-I-ll-kill-bunch-Racist-sexist-homophobic-speech-St-Louis-County-police-officer-Ferguson-pushed-CNN-s-Don-Lemon-live-air.html)

'I've killed a lot. And if I need to, I'll kill a whole bunch more': Racist, sexist, homophobic speech from St Louis County police officer in Ferguson who pushed CNN's Don Lemon live on-air
St Louis County police officer Dan Page has been suspended after a video of him giving a hate-filled speech to far-right group surfaced
Page was seen on CNN on Monday pushing anchor Don Lemon as he reported live from Ferguson
Page spews vitriol about black people, gay people, President Obama, Muslims and more
His extreme views include that the government is trying to indoctrinate children to spy on their parents at public schools
He claims there are 'four sodomites in the Supreme Court' as he rages against hate-laws
He says, 'I personally believe in Jesus Christ as my lord savior, but I'm also a killer. I’ve killed a lot. And if I need to, I'll kill a whole bunch more'
Page calls Obama 'my undocumented president'
He claims to be a Vietnam veteran and has 35 years with the St Louis County police
An investigation is pending 




A St Louis County police officer working in Ferguson, Missouri in the aftermath of Michael Brown's shooting death has been suspended from duty after disturbing video emerged of him referring to black people as 'little perverts' and President Obama as an illegal immigrant.
Officer Dan Page, who was caught live on CNN News earlier this week pushing the network's anchor Don Lemon and threatening to arrest him, made the hate-filled speech in April of this year during an Oath Keepers of St Louis/St Charles meeting.
His offensive remarks weren't limited to black people - he also had vitriol to spew about Muslims, women who have abortions, gay people and people who suffer domestic violence.


The raving speech goes on for more than an hour as Page, brandishing a bible, enlightens his audience with his unique views.
Page is the second St Louis county police officer to have been relieved of his duties during the Ferguson protests.
Lieutenant Ray Albers, 46, was caught on camera screaming, 'I will f***ing kill you!' and pointing his rifle at civilians.


An investigation is underway and he has been placed on indefinite unpaid leave.
The incidents have highlighted the racial divide in Ferguson, a largely black town where the police force and local politicians are almost all white. Civil rights activists say Brown's death was the culmination of years of police unfairly targeting blacks.
Protests in Ferguson, Missouri, were muted for a third straight evening on Friday as the National Guard began withdrawing from the St. Louis suburb racked by racial turmoil after a white police officer shot dead an unarmed black teenager.
Hundreds of protesters marched in the hot summer night near the site of the August 9 slaying of 18-year-old Michael Brown, chanting 'Hands up, don't shoot,' while police vehicles observed the demonstration, without intervening.
Clergy volunteers wearing bright orange T-shirts discouraged protesters who wanted to defy police orders to keep moving, while live singing and drums boomed out from a flat-bed truck.


The St Louis County Police released a statement saying the Police Chief Jon Belmar was 'disturbed' by the content of Page's speech.
'We hold our officers to a high standard of honor both on and off duty. While we as a department do not have an issue with officers expressing themselves, this was disturbing and unacceptable,' it reads.
'The officer is a 35 year veteran of this department and has been deployed numerous times in military service. He had passed the evaluations upon returning from deployment and there was no indication of this attitude.'
Early in the video, Page tells his audience that the bible is the foundation of the Constitution and that you cannot have one without the other, saying, 'I don’t know what them black little perverts don’t understand down there. But they need me to talk to them. I’ll square them away for you. Take me about a minute.


He reads from the Constitution, stumbling over several words, the meanings of which clearly elude him. 
He rages against hate-crime laws, saying there are 'four sodomites on the Supreme Court' and describing himself as being 'into diversity - I kill everybody!'
'And I’m real good with a rifle. My best shot is 1,875 meters, I got me a gold star on that one. You run from me you’re gonna die tired,' he rants.
Page claims to be a Vietnam War Vet and a sergeant major in the U.S. Army who took retirement two years early in 2012 because he didn't want to take orders from President Obama.
He refers to the president as an 'illegal alien' and claims to have flown a plane to Kenya to see where 'my undocumented president lives at.'
Police Chief Jon Belmar says that while Page has never been involved in an 'officer-involved shooting,' his attitude and description of himself as an 'indiscriminate killer' was extremely concerning.


'I personally believe in Jesus Christ as my lord savior, but I'm also a killer. I’ve killed a lot. And if I need to, I'll kill a whole bunch more,' Page tells the OathKeepers.
'If you don't want to get killed, don't show up in front of me, it's that simple. I have no problem with it. God did not raise me to be a coward,' he said before launching into a rant about the government indoctrinating children to spy on their parents in public schools.
The OathKeepers is an association of former and present military personnel, police officers and first reponders who 'defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.'
Don Lemon, who was repeatedly pushed by Page during a live report from Ferguson Monday, described the video: 'It’s wide-ranging inflammatory remarks about a lot of people, about women, about gay people,' he said.
'[Page] talks about the president of the United States. He speaks out against affirmative action, women in the military and on and on.'
Following his interaction with Page in Ferguson, Lemon told audiences, 'We’re on national television, so imagine what they’re doing to people when you don’t see it on national television, people who don’t have a voice like we do.'

Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: elan on August 23, 2014, 09:42:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/1XA_yW7Z5OM
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: Feliziano on August 24, 2014, 06:40:01 PM
Wasn't someone asking the other day what a White Christian right-winger was?  ;)
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: elan on August 25, 2014, 09:45:12 AM
(http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll314/Chunkycj/Screenshot8_zps852ffdc0.png) (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/Chunkycj/media/Screenshot8_zps852ffdc0.png.html)
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: ribbit on August 25, 2014, 11:28:10 AM
If you were to give advice to a hypothetical young black man if they should run from police during a confrontation, what would the answer be?

Run to the airport and move somewhere less racist?

they have a place like this? where the police officers are black too? ah hear of a paradise call chicago that fit the bill.
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: Tiresais on August 25, 2014, 02:48:02 PM
If you were to give advice to a hypothetical young black man if they should run from police during a confrontation, what would the answer be?

Run to the airport and move somewhere less racist?

they have a place like this? where the police officers are black too? ah hear of a paradise call chicago that fit the bill.

Lol, well it's not the colour of the policemen that's important, but the commitment to an equal and just society. Basically, Scandinavia's your best bet lol
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: elan on August 30, 2014, 08:31:33 PM
EXCLUSIVE: St. Louis Police Officer Blows the Whistle on Rampant Corruption Within the Department (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/suspended-st-louis-officer-speaks-darren-wilson-department/)



Officer and veteran Dawon Gore, 44, of the St. Louis County police department is currently suspended without pay and facing charges of second degree assault after allegedly breaking three fingers of a 24 year old man with his baton during a confrontation.

“Officer Darren Wilson is White, I am a Black Officer. Wilson didn’t do a report, I also chose not to do a report. Both subjects were black males, Wilson’s subject had cigars but was unarmed and my subject was found not to be armed as well. Wilson drew a weapon (gun), and I drew my metal baton.”

On Tuesday, August 27, The Free Thought Project’s Cassandra Rules, met up with the officer on W. Florissant in Ferguson where protesters have been gathering in the streets since the murder of unarmed teenager Mike Brown.  Gore wanted to explain the parallels, and differences, between him and Darren Wilson. He also wanted to show how rampant racism in the police force is not only directed at the people, but also at officers themselves. Anyone with the guts to speak out against them also faces a slew of backlash.

“I’ve been embedded in St. Louis County for 14 years and I am going to tell you this on camera, that’s the worst entity I have ever worked for. I’ve been in the military, I’ve served the St. Louis metropolitan police department… but when I got there I ran into this big wall of cultural bias that I had never seen before.”

Gore began by candidly giving The Free Thought Project the play by play on the events leading to his charges. He explains the corruption during his investigation, points out his PTSD, and speaks out against seeing our streets littered with the weapons that he saw on the field at war.

Gore tells the Free Thought Project how he would have reacted, had he been told to come and oppress the protesters in Ferguson.

“I wouldn’t have came down here (to Ferguson) and stood on those front lines, I would have taken my uniform off and have resigned. I didn’t have to come down here, but I would not have come down here and oppressed these people.”

Gore explained the intimidation happening within the force. When asked if it was directed at black officers Gore replied, “Black officers, or any other officer, I won’t just say black; anyone who pushes back or stands up for themselves.”


 
Officer Gore is currently suspended without pay after using non lethal force on a man who attacked him in front of witnesses. Gore later gave this same man a ride home, and didn’t charge him with anything. Now, let’s compare that to Officer Darren Wilson, who is on a PAID suspension after he shot and killed an unarmed man.

Gore had also requested help from the organizations who have raised over $400,000 for Darren Wilson, and claim to support all cops, yet his gofundme account currently sits at $25.

While we support NO violence or brutality, what this officer has to say really does make you think.

After being exposed to the corruption in the St. Louis police department, this officer vows to never put a uniform on again.

End the blue code of silence, blow the whistle and redeem yourselves.
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: Toppa on October 22, 2014, 08:07:44 PM
So some details on the autopsy has been revealed. What allyuh think? They indicate that he was shot at close range which may corroborate the officer's account of a struggle inside the car.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/22/justice/ferguson-michael-brown-autopsy/index.html
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: Bakes on October 22, 2014, 10:48:55 PM
One bullet struck him in the hand at close range... nothing new there, there was an altercation at the SUV where Wilson first started shooting.
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: ribbit on October 22, 2014, 11:43:12 PM
The Ferguson police arrest a state senator who look like a next piece of work.
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: ribbit on November 18, 2014, 11:42:01 AM
ah hear dey call an SOE in advance of grand jury decision. who dey tink dey dealing with?
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: elan on November 18, 2014, 04:23:00 PM
ah hear dey call an SOE in advance of grand jury decision. who dey tink dey dealing with?

The Governor wants the National Guard active and to do so I think he have to call a SoE.
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: asylumseeker on November 24, 2014, 07:25:08 PM
Moments away from the grand jury revelation ...

https://www.youtube.com/v/nFQ1XVxvIWg

Oh papa, dem chest keeps on burning
fist clench tight, ah grit dem teeth, ah blood is boiling ...


Nuff guidance and temperance, Ferguson, STL, and across the nation.
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: weary1969 on November 24, 2014, 09:03:29 PM
NO INDICTMENT

Who hear surprise?
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: ribbit on November 24, 2014, 10:58:42 PM
NO INDICTMENT

Who hear surprise?

Obama.
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: weary1969 on November 25, 2014, 10:48:08 AM
NO INDICTMENT

Who hear surprise?

Obama.

 :rotfl:
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: Sando prince on November 25, 2014, 10:49:17 AM
NO INDICTMENT

Who hear surprise?

Not a man jack
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: Jumbie on November 25, 2014, 05:24:28 PM
20 facking 14 and we still have so much hate among us.

Check What Ted Nugent posted:

Here's the lessons from Ferguson America- Don't let your kids growup to be thugs who think they can steal, assault & attack cops as a way of life & badge of black (dis)honor. Don't preach your racist bullshit "no justice no peace" as blabbered by Obama's racist Czar Al Not So Sharpton & their black klansmen. When a cop tells you to get out of the middle of the street, obey him & don't attack him as brainwashed by the gangsta assholes you hang with & look up to. It's that simple unless you have no brains, no soul, no sense of decency whatsoever. And dont claim that "black lives matter" when you ignore the millions you abort & slaughter each & every day by other blacks. Those of us with a soul do indeed believe black lives matter, as all lives matter. So quit killin each other you f**kin idiots. Drive safely.

Posted @ https://www.facebook.com/tednugent/posts/10152535118862297


And.. it got 424,030 likes!
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: asylumseeker on November 25, 2014, 06:56:17 PM
... apparently, contrary to other pronouncements, the revolution will be televised.  :P
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: ribbit on November 26, 2014, 08:55:31 AM
will obama/holder decide to press federal charges?

if they end up doing so, there would be a perception that obama's indecisiveness (once again) missed an opportunity to head off some of the immediate aftermath. the current perception is that obama WANTED these riots. playing it close to de chest could end up "burning" him.

but to not press federal charges? does obama want to go down that road?
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: Trini _2026 on November 26, 2014, 11:50:36 AM
will obama/holder decide to press federal charges?

if they end up doing so, there would be a perception that obama's indecisiveness (once again) missed an opportunity to head off some of the immediate aftermath. the current perception is that obama WANTED these riots. playing it close to de chest could end up "burning" him.

but to not press federal charges? does obama want to go down that road?

ha obama  better not ......
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: Deeks on November 26, 2014, 03:50:02 PM
20 facking 14 and we still have so much hate among us.

Check What Ted Nugent posted:

Here's the lessons from Ferguson America- Don't let your kids growup to be thugs who think they can steal, assault & attack cops as a way of life & badge of black (dis)honor. Don't preach your racist bullshit "no justice no peace" as blabbered by Obama's racist Czar Al Not So Sharpton & their black klansmen. When a cop tells you to get out of the middle of the street, obey him & don't attack him as brainwashed by the gangsta assholes you hang with & look up to. It's that simple unless you have no brains, no soul, no sense of decency whatsoever. And dont claim that "black lives matter" when you ignore the millions you abort & slaughter each & every day by other blacks. Those of us with a soul do indeed believe black lives matter, as all lives matter. So quit killin each other you f**kin idiots. Drive safely.

Posted @ https://www.facebook.com/tednugent/posts/10152535118862297


And.. it got 424,030 likes!

What abortion has to do with this?
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: kounty on November 26, 2014, 08:04:40 PM
(http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll314/Chunkycj/Screenshot8_zps852ffdc0.png) (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/Chunkycj/media/Screenshot8_zps852ffdc0.png.html)
I like this post. I'll paint all characters in the 3rd paragraph from now on.
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: rotatopoti3 on November 27, 2014, 08:41:14 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2851147/Pharrell-sparks-outrage-calling-Michael-Brown-bully-saying-unarmed-teen-asking-trouble-day-shot-dead-police-officer.html
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: ribbit on November 28, 2014, 08:51:48 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2851147/Pharrell-sparks-outrage-calling-Michael-Brown-bully-saying-unarmed-teen-asking-trouble-day-shot-dead-police-officer.html


(http://kctv.images.worldnow.com/images/26290847_BG1.jpg)

pharrell eh wrong
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: weary1969 on November 28, 2014, 09:04:18 AM
Pharell quoting Jack they cyah handle d truth
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: Sando prince on November 30, 2014, 04:01:13 PM

United Nations panel criticizes U.S. policy on police shootings, tortures


http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-un-torture-committee-police-shootings-20141128-story.html

United Nations panel on Friday sharply criticized how the United States handles a variety of criminal justice-related issues, such as the police shooting of unarmed African Americans, the imprisonment of terror detainees at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba and the application of the death penalty.

In a 16-page report, its first such review since 2006, the U.N. Committee Against Torture condemned U.S. policies in handling how police dealt with issues of brutality against blacks and Latinos. It did not specifically mention events in Ferguson, Mo., but the parents of Michael Brown, fatally shot by a white police officer, spoke to the commission before the findings were released.

“There are numerous areas in which certain things should be changed for the United States to comply fully with the convention,” Alessio Bruni of Italy, one of the panel's chief investigators, said at a news conference in Geneva. He was referring to the U.N. Convention Against Torture, which took effect in 1987 and the United States ratified in 1994.

The committee's 10 independent experts review the records of United Nations members and issue recommendations, which are non-binding.

Ferguson police Officer Darren Wilson shot Brown on Aug. 9, touching off weeks of often violent protests. A St. Louis County grand jury decided this week not to indict Wilson, and information was released that portrayed Brown as the aggressor in the incident. The announcement of the grand jury's decision was met with looting, arson and arrests in Ferguson and with more peaceful demonstrations around the nation.

In all, hundreds of arrests have been made from New York to Los Angeles and throughout the St. Louis region, though the level of protest has decreased in recent days.

Brown’s parents, Lesley McSpadden and Michael Brown Sr., met with the committee in Geneva earlier this month and argued that their son was a victim of police brutality and that his death and other forms of police brutality were a violation of the U.N. treaty.

The panel was told by the U.S. delegation that 20 investigations had been opened by the U.S. Justice Department since 2009 into systematic police abuses against minorities and that more than 330 police officers had been prosecuted for brutality.

The Justice Department is conducting a similar probe in Ferguson. It is also investigating whether to charge Wilson with violating federal civil rights law.

In comments after the grand jury decision was announced on Monday, President Obama acknowledged that there were problems in the relations between police and minority communities.

“The fact is, in too many parts of this country, a deep distrust exists between law enforcement and communities of color,” the president said at the White House. “Some of this is the result of the legacy of racial discrimination in this country. And this is tragic, because nobody needs good policing more than poor communities with higher crime rates.”


The next day in Chicago, the president said he has asked outgoing Atty. Gen. Eric H. Holder Jr. to “identify specific steps we can take together to set up a series of regional meetings focused on building trust in our communities. And next week, we’ll bring together state and local officials, and law enforcement, and community leaders and faith leaders to start identifying very specific steps that we can take to make sure that law enforcement is fair and is being applied equally to every person in this country.”

The U.N. report also criticized the U.S. record on military interrogations, maximum security prisons, solitary confinement and migrants residing in the country illegally.

The report also called for tougher federal laws to define and outlaw torture, including how detainees are treated in Guantanamo Bay.

About 148 inmates are held at the base in Cuba, where the U.S. practices a form of incarceration the report described as “a draconian system of secrecy surrounding high-value detainees that keeps their torture claims out of the public domain.”


Nine inmates have died, including seven by suicide, since 2006, the report added.

Obama has called for closing the Guantanamo Bay facility and bringing the inmates to face trial in the United States, moves that have been opposed by Congress. Since the first detainees arrived in 2002, there have been reports that inmates have been tortured during interrogation. Officials have been force-feeding inmates who have been on a hunger strike since last year to protest their imprisonment.

The U.N. committee also criticized a series of executions in the United States in which it took a long time for inmates to die, and they appeared to be suffering because of the quality of drugs used and how they were administered.

Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: elan on November 30, 2014, 08:09:31 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2851147/Pharrell-sparks-outrage-calling-Michael-Brown-bully-saying-unarmed-teen-asking-trouble-day-shot-dead-police-officer.html


(http://kctv.images.worldnow.com/images/26290847_BG1.jpg)

pharrell eh wrong

So bulying/strong arm robbery equal death by police gun?
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: ribbit on December 01, 2014, 06:33:32 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2851147/Pharrell-sparks-outrage-calling-Michael-Brown-bully-saying-unarmed-teen-asking-trouble-day-shot-dead-police-officer.html


(http://kctv.images.worldnow.com/images/26290847_BG1.jpg)

pharrell eh wrong

So bulying/strong arm robbery equal death by police gun?

cops far from perfect. doh put yurself in a situation where you rely on their discretion. especially in de land of de 2nd amendment, where cops on edge all de time. daiz basic common sense.

michael brown lay hands on de shopkeeper AND de cop. how much slack yuh want to cut him? like dis youth only have people cutting him slack he whole damn life - no wonder he turn out so.

ah wonder if dat shopkeeper hadda shot michael brown instead of de cop if de response would have been de same?
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: rotatopoti3 on December 01, 2014, 04:34:00 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/why-charles-barkley-supports-ferguson-grand-jury-decision-163736319.html
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: elan on December 02, 2014, 10:44:40 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2851147/Pharrell-sparks-outrage-calling-Michael-Brown-bully-saying-unarmed-teen-asking-trouble-day-shot-dead-police-officer.html


(http://kctv.images.worldnow.com/images/26290847_BG1.jpg)

pharrell eh wrong

So bulying/strong arm robbery equal death by police gun?

cops far from perfect. doh put yurself in a situation where you rely on their discretion. especially in de land of de 2nd amendment, where cops on edge all de time. daiz basic common sense.

michael brown lay hands on de shopkeeper AND de cop. how much slack yuh want to cut him? like dis youth only have people cutting him slack he whole damn life - no wonder he turn out so.

ah wonder if dat shopkeeper hadda shot michael brown instead of de cop if de response would have been de same?

Have you been following this or you just taking bits and pieces?

You know why the cop stopped Michael Brown in the first place?

You know if the shopkeeper called the police?

Where you see peole cutting him slack he whole life. This kid was off to Tech College the next Monday.

What do you know just the bs your "news" feed you.
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: ribbit on December 02, 2014, 12:10:05 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2851147/Pharrell-sparks-outrage-calling-Michael-Brown-bully-saying-unarmed-teen-asking-trouble-day-shot-dead-police-officer.html


(http://kctv.images.worldnow.com/images/26290847_BG1.jpg)

pharrell eh wrong

So bulying/strong arm robbery equal death by police gun?

cops far from perfect. doh put yurself in a situation where you rely on their discretion. especially in de land of de 2nd amendment, where cops on edge all de time. daiz basic common sense.

michael brown lay hands on de shopkeeper AND de cop. how much slack yuh want to cut him? like dis youth only have people cutting him slack he whole damn life - no wonder he turn out so.

ah wonder if dat shopkeeper hadda shot michael brown instead of de cop if de response would have been de same?

Have you been following this or you just taking bits and pieces?

You know why the cop stopped Michael Brown in the first place?

You know if the shopkeeper called the police?

Where you see peole cutting him slack he whole life. This kid was off to Tech College the next Monday.

What do you know just the bs your "news" feed you.

elan, ah will tell you what ah know.

ah know the "hands up don't shoot" chant is a quote from dorian johnson, that has been adopted as gospel when dorian johnson is far less credible than de evidence presented to de grand jury.

ah know some people choose to believe this and recite it over and over again as if it will make it a reality.

ah know this therapeutic myth making mean dese people stuck in denial.

ah know michael brown was a student but he was also a tief and a thug. being a tief and thug define your character more than being a student. plenty good people cyah make it through school but dey have de character to live an honest life.

ah know race baiting when ah see it.
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: elan on December 02, 2014, 11:13:02 PM
Ribbit you joking. Race baiting? You serious. You eh have ah clue about what going on.
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: Dutty on December 04, 2014, 09:12:57 PM
Ribbit dred you makin Ben Carson look like ah left wing tree hugger oui

You go do good in Harper cabinet :D
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: ribbit on December 24, 2014, 01:06:34 PM
repeat.
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: elan on December 24, 2014, 10:55:10 PM
repeat.

re·peat
rəˈpēt/
verb
1.
say again something one has already said.
"“Are you hurt?” he repeated"
say or do the same thing again.

2.
do (something) again, either once or a number of times.
"earlier experiments were to be repeated on a far larger scale"
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: Bitter on April 07, 2015, 07:15:56 PM
Video available in the link.

North Charleston officer faces murder charge after video shows him shooting man in back

http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150407/PC16/150409468


A white North Charleston police officer was arrested on a murder charge and the FBI opened a civil rights investigation Tuesday after video surfaced of the lawman shooting eight times at a 50-year-old black man as he ran away.

Walter L. Scott, a Navy veteran and father, died Saturday after Patrolman 1st Class Michael T. Slager, 33, shot him several times in the back.

The video footage, which The Post and Courier obtained Tuesday from a source who asked to remain anonymous, shows the end of the confrontation between the two on Saturday after Scott ran from a traffic stop. It was the first piece of evidence contradicting an account Slager gave earlier this week through his attorney.

The U.S. Department of Justice said in a statement that FBI investigators would work with the State Law Enforcement Division, which typically investigates officer-involved shootings in South Carolina, and the state’s attorney general to investigate any civil rights violations in Scott’s death. North Charleston Mayor Keith Summey said during a news conference that Slager had made a “bad decision.”

“When you’re wrong, you’re wrong,” Summey said. “If you make a bad decision, don’t care if you’re behind the shield or just a citizen on the street, you have to live by that decision.”

The Police Department, which has 343 police officers, has fought accusations in the past that aggressive patroling tactics had unfairly target mostly poor, black community. The newspaper reported in September that 18 percent of the officers were black while the city’s population is 45 percent black.

Community members planned to protest Scott’s death Wednesday morning in front of City Hall.

Ed Bryant, the president of the North Charleston chapter of the NAACP, said communication between neighborhood leaders and police commanders had improved since Chief Jon Zumalt left the department in early 2013. But the community’s relationship with the department’s rank-and-file members was still strained, he said.

“There has been a good conversation at the top,” Bryant said. “But nothing has changed at the bottom level.”

The video footage
The three-minute clip of Saturday’s shooting starts shaky, but it steadies as Slager and Scott appear to be grabbing at each other’s hands.

Slager has said through his attorney that Scott had wrested his Taser from him during a struggle.

The video appears to show Scott slapping at the officer’s hands as several objects fall to the ground. It’s not clear what the objects are.

Scott starts running away. Wires from Slager’s Taser stretch from Scott’s clothing to the officer’s hands.

With Scott more than 10 feet from Slager, the officer draws his pistol and fires seven times in rapid succession. After a brief pause, the officer fires one last time. Scott’s back bows, and he falls face first to the ground near a tree.

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A still image shows the shooting Saturday.


After the gunfire, Slager glances at the person taking the video, then talks into his radio.

The cameraman curses, and Slager yells at Scott as sirens wail.

“Put your hands behind your back,” the officer shouts before he handcuffs Scott.

As another lawman runs to Scott’s side.

Scott died there.

Deputy Coroner Brittney Martin was not immediately available Tuesday to confirm how many times Scott was shot.

At the time, he was wanted for arrest on a Family Court warrant, Charleston County sheriff’s Maj. Eric Watson said Tuesday.

He had a history of arrests related to contempt of court charges for failing to pay child support. The only accusation of violence against Scott during his lifetime came through an assault and battery charge in 1987.

The mayor and Police Chief Eddie Driggers expressed sympathies to Scott’s family. Driggers grew emotional as he referred to his police officers as his children.

“It’s been a tragic day for many, a tragic day for me,” Driggers said. “It is not reflective of this entire police department. ... One does not throw a blanket across the many.”

Slager, a former Coast Guardsman with two stepchildren and a wife who is expecting a child, served for more than five years with the department without being disciplined.

Two people filed complaints against Slager during his time with the force, including one man who said the policeman shot him with a Taser for no reason in September 2013. Internal investigators exonerated the officer of any wrongdoing, though the suspect in that case was never arrested.

Attorney David Aylor, who released a statement on Slager’s behalf earlier this week, said Tuesday that he wasn’t representing the officer anymore.

It was not immediately clear whether Slager had hired a new lawyer. Attempts to contact Slager before his arrest by telephone and at his Hanahan home were not successful.

National sentiment
The footage comes amid a discussion about race and policing in the U.S. fueled by the fatal shooting in August of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo.

Brown, an 18-year-old black man, was unarmed at the time, but witnesses said he got into a struggle with Officer Darren Wilson, who is white, and was shot during the scuffle.

Though a grand jury did not find any reason to indict Wilson, the shooting ignited protests, some of which turned violent. A “black lives matter” movement inspired talk about whether police nationwide resort to deadly force too quickly against black men.

During the wave of sentiment that prompted rallies in the Charleston area, a state trooper was captured on video shooting a man who had reached for his driver’s license during a Columbia traffic stop. The trooper was arrested.

Community leaders in North Charleston stressed the need for calm in the aftermath of Scott’s death.

Bryant, the local NAACP official, said he was taken aback by the video. But he encouraged investigators and prosecutors to pursue justice in Scott’s death, and he urged openness from the authorities.

“If he was running away, how does that pose the need for deadly force?” Bryant said. “If he’s leaving, they should just pursue him. But shooting him? That’s another story.”

Pastor Thomas Dixon said that he has not yet seen the video but said that “it’s necessary to expect that there may be some sort of community reaction.”

Dixon added that he is concerned about outsiders coming into the community to incite violence and rallies. He said the outcry of anger so often ends up “tearing down our communities,” and emotions should be diverted to something more constructive than violence.

“Good people get caught up with crazy people,” he said. “The smart reaction is to just gather and peacefully let your voice be heard without any foolishness or craziness.”

Dwight James, executive director of the S.C. State Conference of the NAACP, said leaders gathered in Columbia on Tuesday afternoon to discuss the case.

James said he was looking forward to all the facts coming out.

“We’re in touch with law enforcement on multiple levels,” he said. “The last feedback I got was that (the officer) was not talking.”

Officer’s account
Slager said earlier this week in the statement from his attorney at the time that his encounter with Scott had started Saturday morning as a routine traffic stop.

His department said he pulled over Scott’s Mercedes-Benz sedan near Remount and Craig roads because it had a broken brake light. But at some point, Scott ran away with Slager in pursuit on foot. Scott’s passenger stayed with the Mercedes.

During the foot chase, Scott confronted Slager, according to the lawyer’s statement. Slager got out his Taser to subdue the man, but Scott took the device during a struggle, the statement said. That’s when the officer fired at Scott several times because he “felt threatened,” it added.

The bystander’s cellphone camera continued to roll as Slager stands over Scott and another officer puts on gloves.

“(Expletive) abuse,” the cameraman says. “(Expletive) abuse.”

During the 21/2 minutes after the shooting until the end of the video, the backup officer lifts up Scott’s shirt to check his wounds. But no one immediately starts CPR.

The video ends with Slager standing next to Scott, who was still face down, and checking the dying man’s pulse.

Summey, the city’s mayor, said the cameraman handed over the footage to Scott’s family, who gave it to SLED. City officials reviewed it late Tuesday afternoon.

The mayor said that the case could have ended differently if it weren’t for the footage. But Summey said he couldn’t speculate about what would have happened.

“Without the video ... it would be difficult for us to ascertain exactly what did occur,” Summey said. “We want to thank the young person who came forward ... because it has helped us resolve the issue.”

North Charleston Pastor Nelson Rivers, who is a vice president in the Rev. Al Sharpton’s National Action Network, called the cameraman a “hero.”

Rivers said he was alarmed by the ease at which the officer shot Scott. He called it disturbing for the officer to show so little about “what life means.” He called it “sobering and evil.”

“If not for the video, we would still be following the narrative from the officer,” Rivers said. “If not for this video, the story would be entirely different.”

Councilwoman Dorothy Williams said the city’s handling of the episode showed “the people of America that the city of North Charleston is not going to do no cover-up.” But she also stressed the community role.

“I’m asking all the citizens of North Charleston,” she said, “to continue taping.”
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: soccerman on April 08, 2015, 08:50:13 AM
That was sad and watching the video pissed me off. Some officers are seriously abusing their authority, it clearly didn't have to reach to that.
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: elan on April 08, 2015, 10:15:45 AM
Do you know statistics on Police shootings in the USA are not accurately kept? (http://masscopblock.org/how-many-people-have-been-killed-by-the-police/) You can find accurate stats on almost any thing except police shootings. Since Ferguson, a group has started tracking Police involved shooting.

For 2015 311 people (as of last week) were killed by Police
80% were Black of which 50% was unarmed.

Mapping Police Violence (http://www.wetheprotesters.org/#/mappingpoliceviolence/)
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: elan on April 08, 2015, 10:31:11 AM
That was sad and watching the video pissed me off. Some officers are seriously abusing their authority, it clearly didn't have to reach to that.

That pissed you off? Have you ever seen this
Tamir Rice 12 Years Old (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhVewrqGFRw)  (Graphic Video)

or this

John Crawford Wal Mart (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XYNOTUWfHE) (Graphic Video) Police tried to get his girlfriend to say he had a gun when he walked into Wal Mart. They couldn't get her to say he had a gun because he did not. A couple weeks later she died in a mysterious car wreck.

how about this

California Highway Patrol (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnpT6GLk6a0) (Graphic Video)
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: soccerman on April 08, 2015, 11:34:25 AM
That was sad and watching the video pissed me off. Some officers are seriously abusing their authority, it clearly didn't have to reach to that.

That pissed you off? Have you ever seen this
Tamir Rice 12 Years Old (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhVewrqGFRw)  (Graphic Video)

or this

John Crawford Wal Mart (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XYNOTUWfHE) (Graphic Video) Police tried to get his girlfriend to say he had a gun when he walked into Wal Mart. They couldn't get her to say he had a gun because he did not. A couple weeks later she died in a mysterious car wreck.

how about this

California Highway Patrol (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnpT6GLk6a0) (Graphic Video)

Well with more of these videos surfacing, I'm seeing how prevalent this abuse is.
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: Bakes on April 08, 2015, 03:33:13 PM
This is just the tip of the iceberg, and it's not all just black victims.

James Boyd

https://www.youtube.com/v/DngOL6LokN4


Jeannette Riley, pregnant mother of three, and with a history of mental illness.

https://www.youtube.com/v/y6zLr3mYcFw

We posted about Richard Ramirez and James Shaw here (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=63893.msg918026#msg918026). 

The list is lon... way too long.
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: Trini _2026 on April 11, 2015, 11:05:47 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/65m_e_1yzQk
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: pull stones on April 11, 2015, 01:13:09 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/65m_e_1yzQk
normally i like to stay on the football topics but just to clear afew things up.  this man jesse lee peterson is one of the biggest and i mean biggest white apologist on the planet. for him white people could do no wrong especially when dealing with topics relating to african americans. there's nothing at all here to see, it's just uncle jesse tom or should i say coon of the century. don't know how you could listen to that painful encounter this guy depresses me sore. every time i see this feller i just have to skip over and move on to something a little more lightening, what can i say, he's the ultimate downer.
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: elan on April 12, 2015, 12:59:38 PM
Check this latest shooting out. These Police just have a thirst for blood and they are running around unchecked.

The reserved Deputy who shot the victim is a wealthy "donor" who apparently gets ride alongs with the PD as a "thank you". He is 73 years old and supposedly mistakenly drew his gun instead of his taser. The victim was unarmed and ran. Listen to how the back up handled the scene.

https://twitter.com/deray/status/587111012668727296 (https://twitter.com/deray/status/587111012668727296)
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: ribbit on April 17, 2015, 10:54:57 AM
Check this latest shooting out. These Police just have a thirst for blood and they are running around unchecked.

The reserved Deputy who shot the victim is a wealthy "donor" who apparently gets ride alongs with the PD as a "thank you". He is 73 years old and supposedly mistakenly drew his gun instead of his taser. The victim was unarmed and ran. Listen to how the back up handled the scene.

https://twitter.com/deray/status/587111012668727296 (https://twitter.com/deray/status/587111012668727296)

the news saying de richman didn't have de necessary training - that they forged his certificates to allow dis fellow to play deputy.

haven't read what the nra position is on this - the notion that people need actual training to use a gun responsibly.

still a tragedy.
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: rotatopoti3 on April 24, 2015, 07:38:12 PM

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/watch-swedish-police-show-nypd/
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: Trini _2026 on April 25, 2015, 02:51:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/dhJKyK6VqDI
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: elan on April 25, 2015, 04:17:06 PM
Compare and Contrast ^^^vvv

https://www.youtube.com/v/lo9BSgBNxSA
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: elan on May 18, 2015, 05:01:59 PM
Bakes as a Lawyer

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CFUgoJZUUAATMni.png)

Article (http://m.stlamerican.com/news/local_news/article_33925cec-fd94-11e4-aa82-278f982ae7be.html?mode=jqm)
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: Bakes on May 18, 2015, 09:20:54 PM
As shitty as it sounds I can't really disagree with her finding.  The first issue is whether the stop was justified and the fact that the officer thought Myers was the same kid who fled, that makes it justified.  The officer must have a reasonable basis for making the stop, meaning he must reasonably conclude that the person he's targeting committed a crime or is about to commit a crime.  Flight is not evidence of criminal conduct, but it gives police an excuse to chase and stop you.  This is why I always tell people don't run.  In light of everything, the decision to stop Myers has to be "reasonable" not perfect or accurate.

If the stop was reasonable, the next level of inquiry has to be whether the decision to force him to the ground was justified.  Needless to say, if the police believe they are justified in arresting you, they could take you to the ground by force.  So the decision to try and force him to the ground is permissible/legal.  To rule otherwise, the Prosecutor would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the officer knew Myers wasn't the same person.  How could she prove that? So benefit of the doubt goes to the officer.

Once he put hands on the kid, the kid fought back... and I don't blame him... but it's a dangerous game to play.  Kid runs and eyewitnesses say there was a mutual gun-battle... the cop is entitled to defend himself, hence the shooting is justified on grounds of self defense.  All that stuff about mistaken identity... again, the cop only has to have a reasonable belief, he doesn't have to be right.

The fact that the shooting is justified mean's he won't face criminal prosecution, but the family could still sue.
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: elan on May 23, 2015, 10:37:12 AM
#BreloTrial (http://www.ideastream.org/tags/brelo-trial)

Officer Brelo jumped on the hood of the car and fired 49 of 137 shots by police at 2 unarmed people in a car (after a car chase).

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CFsj0-GWgAAKgKo.jpg:medium)
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: ribbit on May 24, 2015, 07:11:07 PM
#BreloTrial (http://www.ideastream.org/tags/brelo-trial)

Officer Brelo jumped on the hood of the car and fired 49 of 137 shots by police at 2 unarmed people in a car (after a car chase).

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CFsj0-GWgAAKgKo.jpg:medium)

Thought for sure there would be some kind of protest from the Cavs at today's game. Guess people care more about LeBron than this. Why bother.
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: Trini _2026 on May 26, 2015, 12:59:28 PM
SHOCK FOOTAGE: Man Suffering Stroke PEPPER SPRAYED & TASED by Police for Absolutely NO REASON!

https://www.youtube.com/v/zBPCn2H58O8
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: elan on May 26, 2015, 08:53:49 PM
There is no way T&T Police worse than these people no way. These police just terrorizing innocent citizens and destroying lives carte blanche.

http://www.freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2015/05/pity-poor-stormtroopers-baby-bou-bou.html (http://www.freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2015/05/pity-poor-stormtroopers-baby-bou-bou.html)
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: ribbit on August 10, 2015, 10:02:28 AM
ah hear they shoot one of michael brown frends last night in ferguson at the one year anniversary.

in related news, seattle #blacklivesmatter protestors bum rush bernie sanders off the stage at a community event. these protestors getting paid to derail sanders' campaign?
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: Sando prince on August 11, 2015, 09:53:30 AM

The police in these places have to understand they took an oath to be held at a higher standard than the average man or woman
Title: Re: Ferguson, MO
Post by: kounty on May 02, 2017, 08:30:33 PM
Didn't know this icon is Trini. watch the whole video  (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39788679) and tell me what you think.
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