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WHAT! Govt spent $ billions in write-offs
WDA! is this I reading. Not Millions but billions of dollars yes
Govt spent $ billions in write-offs
Part I in a series on the trail of $227 billion spent by the People’s Partnership Government since 2010.
By Asha Javeed CCN Senior Multimedia Investigative Journalist
It started with a stipend of $1,500 a month to get criminals into sport.
To reform these criminals, $30,000 a month was paid to coordinators.
A two-year $36 million contract would then be given to teach them Maths and English but no work would be done by contractor Adolphus Daniell for that sum.
After borrowing to fund LifeSport, the Government’s final cost to the now defunct programme is about $400 million.
Two years and $460 million later, the Government has been forced to write off that sum, with nothing to show for it except an active police investigation into white and blue collar crimes which it perpetuated.
The country lost almost half a billion dollars in one initiative by the People’s Partnership Government.
But that’s not the final cost of LifeSport as a legal battle now lies ahead which means legal fees.
Attorney General Anand Ramlogan said his Ministry is intent on seeking restitution on the $36 million contract to Daniell and EBeam. Former Permanent Secretary in the Ministry of Sport, Ashwin Creed, as well as former Director, Cornelius Price, Theodore Charles and Ronnell Barclay have issued a pre-action protocol letter to Finance Minister Larry Howai alleging misconduct in the report conducted by the Central Audit Unit.
LifeSport isn’t the only write-off of the Partnership Government.
It has lost millions more in the last four years—the Government forked over $291 million to close the Alutrint project after millions was spent to start it, it lost an estimated $1 billion on associated costs after it broke a contract with British Aerospace Engineering (BAE) Systems for the financing of three Offshore Patrol Vessels (OPVs), lost about $1.5 billion in the illegal diesel racket and has had to pump $2 billion in the last two years into Caribbean Airlines (CAL) after two bad investments rendered the company cash-strapped.
In four years, the Government has spent $227 billion.
That’s the total of their budgets which cover their annual expenditure.
According to Larry Howai, the largest parts of the expenditures were for transfers and subsidies—$120 billion, salaries and wages—$35 billion, goods and services—$12 billion, Interest and debt service—$12 billion), statutory boards—$28 billion and the development programme—$32 billion.
In 2015, the Government is expected to increase that sum by $64.6 million more on T&T’s sixth consecutive deficit budget.
But targeting basic problems like efficient healthcare, security and flooding alleviation remain a challenge—$3 billion will be spent on the Regional Health Authorities (RHAs), 296 people have been murdered for 2014 so far with a security ministry that has an annual budget of $6 billion and when it rains in Port of Spain the city always floods and farmers around the country have to be compensated annually.
And while the ruling administration is credited for the expansion of its social welfare net by establishing a Ministry of the People and embarked on such initiatives like increasing the senior citizens grant to $3,500, a laptop for every Form 1 pupil and improving the minimum wage to $15 an hour, it has had challenges with governance.
For all the money spent, the People’s Partnership administration has been dogged by allegations of mismanagement of public funds in the state enterprises, questionable tender practices in favour of financiers of the Government and nepotism in key appointments.
The Dookeran Days
During his two years as Minister of Finance, Winston Dookeran was criticised as being “conservative.”
Stymied by an inheritance with included outstanding debts to contractors, wage negotiations with unions and a resolution to the CLICO issue, Finance Minister Dookeran could not see the blue skies he hoped for in 2011.
The Government’s unpaid bills, left over from the People’s National Movement’s (PNM)’s tenure, were $2 billion for Value Added Taxes (VAT) refunds, $2.6 billion to contractors and $2 billion for the fuel subsidy.
“That does not include the cost to complete ongoing projects at the time. There were a number of incomplete buildings that had to be completed such as the offices at the Government Campus Plaza in Port of Spain,” said Howai in an e-mailed interview with the Sunday Express.
“I don’t have the details of those at hand at the moment but the cost of completing the Plaza is $1.2 billion billion if the Customs building is included).”
Dookeran had his stumbling blocks—people were saving, not spending, and the late appointments of directors to state boards impeded decision-making and investment. Political promises—laptops, no Land and Building Taxes, no Alutrint—triumphed over economic ones such as reviewing an almost $5 billion fuel subsidy.
And for the first two years of the Partnership Government, the country had stagnated with a “confidence crisis.” Even at $7 billion, the Public Sector Investment Programme (PSIP) lacked the impetus to kick-start the stagnating construction sector. The tunnel to Maracas remained a proposal on paper.
Investment in T&T’s agricultural sector, impacted positively on T&T’s headline inflation. On the other hand, improved incentives for the energy sector hasn’t attracted the top tier energy players in the global market to T&T’s bid round.
Howai’s expenditure
After two years of a tight-fisted Dookeran, Howai assumed the portfolio and the country’s costs have since escalated but so too has investment.
If Dookeran was criticised as “conservative” for proposing to settle wage negotiations with a 0-0-1 per cent offering to the Public Services Association (PSA) for a three year period in 2010, then Howai was spending to earn.
He managed to incorporate the wages and salaries into the country’s recurrent expenditure even at a staggering 16 per cent.
Questioned by the Sunday Express just where the $227 billion has gone, Howai explained: “There are about 50 Ministries and Departments that incur expenditure, ranging from the President to the Judiciary, the Office of the Prime Minister (this year over $600 million partially due to the addition of the National Operations Centre), the Auditor General and all of the various Ministries. The largest parts of the expenditures are for Salaries and Wages ($35 billion), Goods and Services ($12 billion), Interest and Debt Service ($12 billion), transfers and subsidies ($120 billion), Statutory Boards ($28 billion) and the Development Programme ($32 billion).
“These expenditure figures are approximations as some of the classifications vary according to the publications and represents four years of expenditure, not all incurred just yet as the financial year is not complete. As I had indicated, the transfers and subsidies include the allocations for the THA, RHAs, Regional Corps, pensions for public servants, transfers to the Infrastructure Development Fund, State Enterprises and the Heritage Fund.”
The $19.8 billion
CLF/CLICO Expenditure
Perhaps the greatest expenditure on a single matter, which the Government has yet to get a return on, is its investment in collapsed insurance company, CLICO and CL Financial.
Howai says: “The total spent up to 2012 when I took over was $19.8 billion. Since then, I have advanced US$52 million to the liquidators of BAICO and a further US$200 million to assist Caricom in meeting the cost of the BAICO collapse in those islands. This latter figure will probably not be recoverable. There are other unpaid liabilities that we have not met but which can crystallise depending on the decision of the courts eg, the INCs of CIB and the current court matters involving some of the investors in CLICO. It was estimated that this could add another $3 billion depending on the decision of the courts.”
Howai’s cost is exclusive of the cost of the Commission of Enquiry which was held into the failure of the CLICO.
Building Bridges
The Government has been spending money on massive projects such as the $7.5 billion highway extension to Point Fortin, building bridges, compensating farmers for losses, but little is being spent on projects on which this country could derive revenue.
Howai however doesn’t see it that way.
“The cost of VAT removal on food cost about $500 million. We have given some tax holidays to new investors but these aren’t ‘losses’ given that the investors would have not done the project if we hadn’t provided the incentives. This also applies to the energy sector. There has been a lot said of the amounts lost due to energy sector maintenance but we need to bear in mind that the alternative is a disaster offshore which would cost us more in the end. The figures stated for NGC, I am told are exaggerated but the Ministry cannot divulge the figure. That would have to come from NGC itself,” he said.
Asked why the Government boasted about building bridges when they were an expectation of any Government, Howai responded: “I don’t think that ‘boast’ is the correct word. It’s really advising that work was done in a number of areas and I normally leave it to the Ministers to give more detailed reports, which they do as part of the debate. It is true that the Government is there to serve the people and as a consequence must provide goods and services...as the Prime Minister repeats often. When Ministers list the projects done, they most times do so in responding to the Opposition in a debate, so it sometimes comes across as boasting (to use your term) but that’s not really the Minister’s intention as far as the general public is concerned.”
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Boss I created this thread earlier :D
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=63312.0
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ok will remove it
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UNC supporters are saying the writer is bias and she has a personal relationship with a PNM member so her work is tainted. :D
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UNC supporters are saying the writer is bias and she has a personal relationship with a PNM member so her work is tainted. :D
more like SHE is :rotfl: :rotfl:
would be interesting to see how much $$ this current administration goes through for the term and anything tangible to show for the expenditures
like a wasa main line.. is money just pouring out!
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She is presenting concrete support for all her claims. I could care less who she is sleeping with.. doh care if he PNM or UNC
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She is presenting concrete support for all her claims. I could care less who she is sleeping with.. doh care if he PNM or UNC
Another example of a brainwashed person trying to place party above country.
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She is presenting concrete support for all her claims. I could care less who she is sleeping with.. doh care if he PNM or UNC
Another example of a brainwashed person trying to place party above country.
:rotfl: usually means to be humorous. SP I can understand having to explain, but SPrince.. you claim you from south and can't identify a joke?
but lets stick with brainwashed
it's your modus operandi
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She is presenting concrete support for all her claims. I could care less who she is sleeping with.. doh care if he PNM or UNC
Another example of a brainwashed person trying to place party above country.
:rotfl: usually means to be humorous. SP I can understand having to explain, but SPrince.. you claim you from south and can't identify a joke?
but lets stick with brainwashed
it's your modus operandi
Anyone who believes the proposed elections run-off increases democracy and is for the good of the people has been brainwashed or knows that the change has been introduced to allow more time for corruption and the buying of votes but wants to hide that fact from the public and take them for fools.
At any rate the corrupt undemocratic plan is likely to backfire in the government face and at least the PNM plans to reverse this undemocratic change in the elections voting system if they win.
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She is presenting concrete support for all her claims. I could care less who she is sleeping with.. doh care if he PNM or UNC
Another example of a brainwashed person trying to place party above country.
:rotfl: usually means to be humorous. SP I can understand having to explain, but SPrince.. you claim you from south and can't identify a joke?
but lets stick with brainwashed
it's your modus operandi
Anyone who believes the proposed elections run-off increases democracy and is for the good of the people has been brainwashed or knows that the change has been introduced to allow more time for corruption and the buying of votes but wants to hide that fact from the public and take them for fools.
At any rate the corrupt undemocratic plan is likely to backfire in the government face and at least the PNM plans to reverse this undemocratic change in the elections voting system if they win.
I'm sure this was not directed at me! Where did you see me endorse such?
But we'll stick to the brainwash trip you on. I guess one need to have a brain to fall under such category.
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She is presenting concrete support for all her claims. I could care less who she is sleeping with.. doh care if he PNM or UNC
Another example of a brainwashed person trying to place party above country.
:rotfl: usually means to be humorous. SP I can understand having to explain, but SPrince.. you claim you from south and can't identify a joke?
but lets stick with brainwashed
it's your modus operandi
Anyone who believes the proposed elections run-off increases democracy and is for the good of the people has been brainwashed or knows that the change has been introduced to allow more time for corruption and the buying of votes but wants to hide that fact from the public and take them for fools.
At any rate the corrupt undemocratic plan is likely to backfire in the government face and at least the PNM plans to reverse this undemocratic change in the elections voting system if they win.
I'm sure this was not directed at me! Where did you see me endorse such?
But we'll stick to the brainwash trip you on. I guess one need to have a brain to fall under such category.
If what I said does not apply to you then no need to feel guilty about anything I have said.
However that does not take away from the truth of what I have outlined.
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'truth'? Why is it your 'opinion' the 'truth'?
"guilty" :rotfl: :rotfl: you give yourself too much credit.
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'truth'? Why is it your 'opinion' the 'truth'?
"guilty" :rotfl: :rotfl: you give yourself too much credit.
If I state something that is based on facts and reality then it is not just my opinion but of course it takes someone with a little intelligence to distinguish what is fact from what is simply opinion.
Anyone who believes the proposed elections run-off increases democracy and is for the good of the people has been brainwashed or knows that the change has been introduced to allow more time for corruption and the buying of votes but wants to hide that fact from the public and take them for fools.
At any rate the corrupt undemocratic plan is likely to backfire in the government face and at least the PNM plans to reverse this undemocratic change in the elections voting system if they win.
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http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Value-for-227b-275958631.html
Value for $227b?
Govt’s housing programme
By Anika Gumbs CCN Senior Multimedia Investigative Journalist
Story Created: Sep 21, 2014 at 11:08 PM ECT
Story Updated: Sep 22, 2014 at 9:38 AM ECT
The waiting list for houses at the Housing Development Corporation (HDC) has jumped from 129,000 in 2010 to 220,000 in 2014.
And so far the HDC has spent a whopping $2.3 billion from its Infrastructure Development Fund (IDF) for the period 2010 to 2014 to finance ongoing construction projects to aggressively support the Government housing thrust and in keeping with its mandate to provide affordable housing to low- and middle-income citizens of T&T.
In Part II of this special series titled “Where The Money Gone?”, the Express is seeking answers as to whether citizens are getting value for their money, given that $227 billion would have been spent nationally at the end of the term of this Government in 2015.
In 2009, former prime minister Patrick Manning had set a target to build 8,000 houses per year.
Data provided by the HDC show that from 2010 to present, the HDC has allocated 4,902 houses to new homeowners.
Under the construction programme and delivery the HDC has completed and distributed a total of 6,806 housing units, falling far short of Manning’s target.
The houses under this Government were distributed as follows: 2011/2012: 2,688; 2012/2013: 1,977; 2013/2014: 2,141.
Additionally, seven existing housing projects that were started prior to 2010 are almost completed and expected to yield a total of 2,030 units. The projects are located in Chaguanas, La Horquetta, Point Fortin, Rio Claro and Diego Martin.
The HDC has also embarked on 12 new projects in south, central and east Trinidad.
Some 6,178 homeowners are expected to benefit from these new projects together with another 519 who will be placed on the completion of the infill-starter units.
$3.6 billion in receivables
Further data show in 2011 the HDC had vested 34 housing sites, clearing the way for 5,585 tenants to become homeowners. Similar action is expected to be taken with regard to 19 other housing sites.
The people who are currently occupying these units have various arrangements with the HDC—licence to occupy (LTO), rent to own (RTO) and rental.
The 53 sites represent $3.623 billion in receivables owed to the HDC.
$400 million in remedial works and counting
To date, the HDC has spent close to $400 million on remedial and refurbishment works.
Why? Minister of Housing and Urban Development Dr Roodal Moonilal has repeatedly blamed the shoddy works done by contractors for the ministry’s expensive predicament.
The remedial works, however, do not include the six incomplete and suspended housing projects that commenced under the former administration.
The most evident is the Edinburgh Towers in Edinburgh, Chaguanas. The HDC had taken a decision in 2008 to terminate the contract awarded to H Lewis Construction due to the slow progress of works.
The two incomplete towers remained an eyesore with 118 residential apartments and 16 commercial units. Four years later, the towers remain abandoned.
Asked about the status of the towers on Friday, HDC managing director Jearlean John said:
“In 2008 the corporation adopted a construction management approach whereby multiple contracts were awarded for different construction elements, which included block and concrete work, electrical, plumbing, steel and finishes.”
John said the approach proved unsuccessful due to coordination and other project management issues, which resulted in delays in progress and cost increases, and in 2011 a decision was taken by the HDC to suspend the project.
The sum of $114,911,263.14 (VAT-inclusive) has been spent on the project to date.
An assessment of the design of the incomplete buildings, John said, revealed a number of design deficiencies which include:
• Internal works;
• Lack of garbage chutes;
• Improper space planning (columns were placed at the centre of room, etc);
• Incorrect placement of bathroom windows, which were placed opening into corridors;
• Lack of an automatic fire sprinkler (NFPA, TTFS);
• Lack of communications systems;
• Lack of stand-by generators;
• Improper placement of stairwells.
John said tenders for the completion of the towers were issued and evaluation is currently ongoing.
An award of contract, John said, is expected to be made next month and works completed within 18 months.
The other suspended projects expected to be completed by 2016 are: Vieux Fort, St James; Four Roads Terrace/Chaconia Crescent; Almond Court, Morvant; Malick; Barataria and Malabar Phase III.
According to John, the HDC applies a combination of local and international codes and standards in the design and construction of houses and other building types.
“For simple one- or two-storey houses HDC has begun to utilise the TTS 599: Guidelines for the Design and Construction of Small Buildings. This guideline is currently under review by the Cabinet Appointed National Building Code Committee for conversion into an official Small Building Code. It is expected that 75 per cent of all houses to be constructed would meet the requirements and qualify for review under this code, when enacted.
“Most of the regional corporations currently reviewing applications for building permits use the current guideline document and will utilise the document when it is converted into an official National Small Building Code,” John said.
She added the corporation also uses technical specifications based on the master-specifications developed by the Construction Specification Institute (CSI) of the United States.
Contractors head:
small contractors sidelined
However, head of the Contractors Association Mikey Joseph is not pleased with how business is being done at the HDC.
Joseph is of the view the “pie” is not being distributed fairly and small contractors are being sidelined from being awarded contracts.
“I am aware units are being built. I am of the view the HDC could be used to develop the construction sector. However, the HDC is missing this.
“They (HDC) have mass projects and only a selected few are being hand-picked. The HDC should be awarding contracts to small contractors and allowing a consultant to supervise the job,” Joseph said.
Joseph said the Fair Share Programme implemented under the Basdeo Panday administration is not being adhered to.
“It’s only one set of contractors who are getting jobs. We are not satisfied with what is taking place at all. There needs to be more transparency surrounding the selection of contractors,” Joseph said.
$73 million on Colour Me
Orange programme
With regard to the Colour Me Orange Programme, violence marred the re-launch in 2011 but it continued until each cycle was complete.
The concept of the programme was primarily to utilise labour from the HDC rental communities to execute refurbishment works.
The programme was conceptualised under the former People’s National Movement administration and continued by the Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissesar-led Government.
In spite of the negative feedback surrounding the programme, John said it was aimed at making residents aware of the importance of keeping their surroundings orderly and clean.
John said: “The programme provided employment and developmental opportunities for residents of the HDC’s communities of Port of Spain East, Port of Spain West, Port of Spain Central, Morvant, Maloney, Couva and San Fernando to assist in the upkeep and maintenance of buildings and properties in a meaningful and practical way. These initiatives boosted the corporation’s work force for the provision of maintenance works and community enhancement projects.”
The budget was financed from the Public Sector Investment Programme (PSIP), HDC receivables and rental income. Official HDC documents list the breakdown of expenditure for the programme as follows:
Phase I
March 8, 2010 - June 30, 2010
• Materials—$3,695,408.80
• Equipment—$1,424,278.65
• Salaries—$5,434,869.78
• Employees—438
Phase 2
November 3, 2010 - December 29, 2010
• Materials—$2,479,488.53
• Equipment—$523,495.37
• Salaries—$12,298,714.37
• Employees—635
Phase 3
November 23, 2011 - February 15, 2012
• Materials—$1,967,971.89
• Equipment—$72,914.59
• Salaries—$45,671,495.52
• Employees—1,980
Lift stations and waste water plants
A further $112 million has been spent by the HDC for the construction of 16 waste water treatment plants (WWTP) and 15 lift stations (LS).
The lift stations and treatment plants were constructed in the following areas:
• Edinburgh South, Chaguanas (LS) - $1,479,515.25
• Carlsen Field, Chaguanas (WWTP and LS) - $12,869,924.49
• Pier Road, La Brea (WWTP and LS) - $5,058,000
• La Fortune, Point Fortin (WWTP and LS) - $10,266,156.91
• Maracas, St Joseph (WWTP and LS) - $4,758,000
• Oropune, Piarco (WWTP) - $10,159,566
• East Grove, Curepe (WWTP) - $7,768,970.88
• Greenvale, La Horquetta South (WWTP) - $8,451,000
• Mountain View Terrace, Champs Fleurs (WWTP) - $2,895,826.35
• Glenrory, Princes Town and Buen Intento (WWTP and 2xLS) - $6,542,781.25
• Mora Heights, Rio Claro (WWTP and LS) - $8,591,715.55
• Gomez Trace, Moruga (WWTP and LS) - $5,308,055
• Lions Gate, Chaguanas (WWTP) - $4,692,655.50
• Jacob Hill, Wallerfield (WWTP and LS) - $4,681,650
• Golconda, San Fernando (WWTP and LS) - $5,754,600
• Ibis Gardens, Caroni (WWTP) - $4,828, 396.96
• Corinth, San Fernando (WWTP and LS) - $7,965,000
The HDC budgetary allocation
2010/2011
• IDF—$720 million
• Recurrent expenditure—$579 million
• PSIP—$33 million
n 2011/2012
• IDF—$742 million
• Recurrent expenditure—$555 million
• PSIP—$24.5 million
n 2012/2013
• IDF—$574 million
• Recurrent expenditure—$534 million
• PSIP—$11 million
n 2013/2014
• IDF—$350 million
• Recurrent expenditure—$427 million
• PSIP—$10 million
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^^ Bourbon the question remains will the PNM put all this government overspending and money squandering into a simple narrative for the average man on the street to understand the mis-management of tax payers money from a big scale? Remember the average man on the street not investigating all these issues like me and you.
The PP government are putting forth the simple narrative of we will fix your drain and we paved your road last week to gain votes. Their theme is the "government is working for you"
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Well...remember this:
"How fortunate it is for leaders that men do not think."
Ironically enough I think election campaigns have been so filled with talk of waste, mismanagement and corruption I think people desensitized to it and would think "What ever..they all do that."
So....thats a challenge for the Opposition for sure...not just finding a way to do it...but finding a way to do it especially in the context of the government having persons who's specialty is changing the conversation and deflecting the issue.
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:rotfl: :rotfl: did spell check help you with "f a c t" as you've proven time and time again you have no clue what that word is or mean. you of all people should never question anyone's intelligence. Captain cut and paste!
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:rotfl: :rotfl: did spell check help you with "f a c t" as you've proven time and time again you have no clue what that word is or mean. you of all people should never question anyone's intelligence. Captain cut and paste!
At least I am intelligent enough to understand when a government is corrupt and divisive and no good for the future of my country of birth that will end up in a worse state than Guyana if they are able to fulfill their intentions.
Continue laughing my fiend. At least I am intelligent enough to realize the future of my country of birth is at stake and that it is not a laughing matter.
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If one were to read the document ...we would see where the billions went ..
Look at HDC ....building homes on unstable land and apartment buildings ...
Didn't the PNM ...start such projects ...
Brian Lara Stadium...?
What did the billion dollar summits s od for T&T....did the PP do this ...
PNMites look at corruption before 2010 , see what it took to control such wastage
by the incoming government ....remember Rowley was going to have a non confidence motion... Manning was going to lose so he sunk the PNM ..
Like I said talk to both financiers of the major parties , you may change your opinions...
These Billions can be traced back to Patrick Manning government ,,,check out the stats
over 75% ....Like I said many of you will be surprised during the election when they are presented.
I am saying Rowley will not lead the PNM to power in the next election....watch the ride
ps ..All government spends billions in write Off's....
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Since we are discussing this PP government overspending.
From the PNM Facebook page - "Expenditures for the Prime's Minister's office for the same sub heading " Commission of Enquiry" are seen in three different subheadings!!!
Public Expenditure is increasing as we go! (check out sub-heading 23 and 65!)"
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/944409_10154643991900472_3879000878188438386_n.jpg?oh=a4bd027677fa45d91f6ac2f03d757a1e&oe=548E600F&__gda__=1422576055_f25e0987258eeb764f3e591c4491c1e6)
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gone back with Guyana again. but no surprise there. intelligent :rotfl: :rotfl:
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gone back with Guyana again. but no surprise there. intelligent :rotfl: :rotfl:
As I have already indicated I am quite happy not to be at your intelligence level. In fact to me that's pretty comforting. :thumbsup:
It does take a little intelligence and common sense to see the parallels between what has been going on politically, employment wise, etc in Guyana for decades now and what is happening now in Trinidad but I guess maybe we can't expect someone at your intelligence level to see that.
In fact the intelligent people of Tobago saw it coming and said a big NO to the current UNC controlled PP government but Trinidadians generally don't seem to be as united and observant as Tobagonians and so can be more easily duped.
I personally know many Guyanese who have fled from that backward racially divided country and have no intentions of going back unless there is a change in the backward racist political regime running that country.
But never mind, you continue laughing in the delusion that the same is not going to happen in T&T if the current government has its way but we will be much worse off than Guyana because of our smaller land mass.
As I said before I am quite happy to NOT be at your intelligence level. In fact I thank God for that and if you view my avatar you will see that David Rudder also thanks God for that as well. :praying: ;)
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In fact the intelligent people of Tobago saw it coming and said a big NO to the current UNC controlled PP government but Trinidadians generally don't seem to be as united and observant as Tobagonians and so can be more easily duped.
Oh really ..or was it the statement by a member of the PNM ..remember a ship from Calcutta statement...!!!!
It took Rowley time to back away from such a racist statement ...The politicians scared
the Africans that Indians would populate Tobago...
So Please tell the truth...and don't talk about racial divide..its in front of your eyes daily..just open them without your PNM till I die glasses....
:rotfl:
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In fact the intelligent people of Tobago saw it coming and said a big NO to the current UNC controlled PP government but Trinidadians generally don't seem to be as united and observant as Tobagonians and so can be more easily duped.
Oh really ..or was it the statement by a member of the PNM ..remember a ship from Calcutta statement...!!!!
It took Rowley time to back away from such a racist statement ...The politicians scared
the Africans that Indians would populate Tobago...
So Please tell the truth...and don't talk about racial divide..its in front of your eyes daily..just open them without your PNM till I die glasses....
:rotfl:
The truth is that the current government has a racist agenda that is against the interest of the majority of the population of Tobago and the Tobago people are smart enough to realize that and so rejected the UNC in Tobago all together.
If you want to laugh at anyone then laugh at the foolish Afro-Trinis in Trinidad you still don't realise what is going on and support the UNC which has a definite agenda that is against the long term interest of all Afro-Trinbagonians.
But maybe you are not Afro-Trinbagonian so you don't care too much about us which I can respect and understand if that's the case so continue laughing.
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Can you tell me how long has the PNM been in Power ...
Two strong hold of the PNM laventille and La Brea ....how developed are they ?
That must be racist..
I would like to hear how you perceive this government to be racist...lets hear some
factual examples...
I read where cases where taken to the Privy Council and the former government lost ...
Actually Manning didn't win one...
What about the radio station fiasco...what did the Privy Council say ...oh how we forget ...
What Nationality was kidnaped the most ....you should ask some of the PNM financiers
what they thought about this ...I did ..you would be surprised.
So who is the majority ...I understand its the Indian population...
Population of Trinidad and Tobago according to ethnic group
Census 2011
Indian 468,524 37.6 %
African 452,536 36.3 %
Above is the latest Census figures done in 2011
The truth is that the current government has a racist agenda that is against the interest of the majority of the population of Tobago and the Tobago
According to you this government is racist towards the majority ....the Indians...OMG...
I laugh at your comments ...its obvious I don't take them seriously... :rotfl:
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Population of Trinidad and Tobago according to ethnic group
Census 2011
Indian 468,524 37.6 %
African 452,536 36.3 %
Above is the latest Census figures done in 2011
The truth is that the current government has a racist agenda that is against the interest of the majority of the population of Tobago and the Tobago
According to you this government is racist towards the majority ....the Indians...OMG...
I laugh at your comments ...its obvious I don't take them seriously... :rotfl:
You quoted his statement but failed to see he was referring specifically to Tobago....the census figures you included are hardly applicable to Tobago.
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The census figures also make clear that Indians are not a majority of the population... this troll fails to appreciate the difference between "the largest ethnic group" and "the majority of the population."
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Can you tell me how long has the PNM been in Power ...
Two strong hold of the PNM laventille and La Brea ....how developed are they ?
That must be racist..
I would like to hear how you perceive this government to be racist...lets hear some
factual examples...
I read where cases where taken to the Privy Council and the former government lost ...
Actually Manning didn't win one...
What about the radio station fiasco...what did the Privy Council say ...oh how we forget ...
What Nationality was kidnaped the most ....you should ask some of the PNM financiers
what they thought about this ...I did ..you would be surprised.
So who is the majority ...I understand its the Indian population...
Population of Trinidad and Tobago according to ethnic group
Census 2011
Indian 468,524 37.6 %
African 452,536 36.3 %
Above is the latest Census figures done in 2011
The truth is that the current government has a racist agenda that is against the interest of the majority of the population of Tobago and the Tobago
According to you this government is racist towards the majority ....the Indians...OMG...
I laugh at your comments ...its obvious I don't take them seriously... :rotfl:
Not even worth addressing. You don't even have enough common sense to see that I was referring to Tobago and outside of that to what is in the long-term interest of Afro-Trinbagonians.
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Can you tell me how long has the PNM been in Power ...
Two strong hold of the PNM laventille and La Brea ....how developed are they ?
That must be racist..
I would like to hear how you perceive this government to be racist...lets hear some
factual examples...
I read where cases where taken to the Privy Council and the former government lost ...
Actually Manning didn't win one...
What about the radio station fiasco...what did the Privy Council say ...oh how we forget ...
What Nationality was kidnaped the most ....you should ask some of the PNM financiers
what they thought about this ...I did ..you would be surprised.
So who is the majority ...I understand its the Indian population...
Population of Trinidad and Tobago according to ethnic group
Census 2011
Indian 468,524 37.6 %
African 452,536 36.3 %
Above is the latest Census figures done in 2011
The truth is that the current government has a racist agenda that is against the interest of the majority of the population of Tobago and the Tobago
According to you this government is racist towards the majority ....the Indians...OMG...
I laugh at your comments ...its obvious I don't take them seriously... :rotfl:
Not even worth addressing. You don't even have enough common sense to see that I was referring to Tobago and outside of that to what is in the long-term interest of Afro-Trinbagonians.
I am glad you brought up the Tobago issue majority , what has the PNM done for them ...
Did manning give them self rule , the budget they asked for ?...
Isnt a ship coming from Calcutta racist statement ?...
I see why Williams stated , he can put a frog and you "PNM till I die" would vote for it ...
Thats the biggest insult any ethnic group can get , its says they have no thinking power...
I see why you are avoiding my above statements ....they are factual...
Tobago, 85.2 per cent of the population was of African descent with 8.5 per cent mixed and 2.54 per cent Indian.
"The breakdown of statistics linked to ethnicity establishes clearly that Trinidad and Tobago is a nation of ethnic minorities with the two largest being Indians (35.4 per cent) and Africans (34.2 per cent).
The group classified as mixed is 22.8 per cent and of these 7.7 per cent are what we refer to as douglas and 15.1 per cent are mixed but not Indian/African mix. All other ethnic groups totalled 1.4 per cent and 6.2 per cent of the population did not declare an ethnicity
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The census figures also make clear that Indians are not a majority of the population... this troll fails to appreciate the difference between "the largest ethnic group" and "the majority of the population."
Of the ethnic groups the Indians are the majority ...
But that goes beyond you ...
I wouldn't call someone names ...remember it takes on to know one..
Its obvious you are not to intelligent , you just called yourself a troll....
:rotfl:
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Of the ethnic groups the Indians are the majority ...
But that goes beyond you ...
I wouldn't call someone names ...remember it takes on to know one..
Its obvious you are not to intelligent , you just called yourself a troll....
:rotfl:
Well aren't you a regular everyday genius?
The truth is that the current government has a racist agenda that is against the interest of the majority of the population of Tobago and the Tobago
Indian's are the largest ethnic group... but they are not "the majority of the population," that would be everybody else (the 64.6%, using your own statistics). But don't let all that maths badden yuh head... just go back to blowing spit bubbles while staring wistfully at yuh navel.
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Of the ethnic groups the Indians are the majority ...
But that goes beyond you ...
I wouldn't call someone names ...remember it takes on to know one..
Its obvious you are not to intelligent , you just called yourself a troll....
:rotfl:
Well aren't you a regular everyday genius?
The truth is that the current government has a racist agenda that is against the interest of the majority of the population of Tobago and the Tobago
Indian's are the largest ethnic group... but they are not "the majority of the population," that would be everybody else (the 64.6%, using your own statistics). But don't let all that maths badden yuh head... just go back to blowing spit bubbles while staring wistfully at yuh navel.
Naw not a genius ..just using common sense which it seems you lack...
Of all the Ethnic groups Indians are the largest , is that difficult for you to understand.
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Naw not a genius ..just using common sense which it seems you lack...
Of all the Ethnic groups Indians are the largest , is that difficult for you to understand.
Not at all, I understand that perfectly. Unfortunately for you that's not what's being discussed. What's being discussed is whether the government is acting contrary to the interest of the majority of the population. You postulated that this meant that the government was acting contrary to the interest of the largest ethnic minority, Indians. Having failed at demonstrating Basic reading comprehension, you then proceeded to compound matters by needlessly being disingenuous, as though your continued obfuscation would somehow mask your readily apparent lack of comprehension.
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Naw not a genius ..just using common sense which it seems you lack...
Of all the Ethnic groups Indians are the largest , is that difficult for you to understand.
Not at all, I understand that perfectly. Unfortunately for you that's not what's being discussed. What's being discussed is whether the government is acting contrary to the interest of the majority of the population. You postulated that this meant that the government was acting contrary to the interest of the largest ethnic minority, Indians. Having failed at demonstrating Basic reading comprehension, you then proceeded to compound matters by needlessly being disingenuous, as though your continued obfuscation would somehow mask your readily apparent lack of comprehension.
I see you enjoy babbling a lot of Crap....you would have seen with all your comprehension skills I make an error , look what I wrote... but you not all that bright...
The truth is that the current government has a racist agenda that is against the interest of the majority of the population of Tobago and the Tobago
Oppsie ..my error was under the impression he was talking about Trinidad and Tobago...
That why my typo states Tobago and Tobago above... it should have read Trinidad and Tobago..
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The truth is that the current government has a racist agenda that is against the interest of the majority of the population of Tobago and the Tobago
Oppsie ..my error was under the impression he was talking about Trinidad and Tobago...
That why my typo states Tobago and Tobago above... it should have read Trinidad and Tobago..
Actually SF, that was a direct quote from Socapro, not a typo on your part..You just didn't quote the entire sentence or else you would have seen he was talking only about Tobago.... ;)
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The truth is that the current government has a racist agenda that is against the interest of the majority of the population of Tobago and the Tobago
Oppsie ..my error was under the impression he was talking about Trinidad and Tobago...
That why my typo states Tobago and Tobago above... it should have read Trinidad and Tobago..
Actually SF, that was a direct quote from Socapro, not a typo on your part..You just didn't quote the entire sentence or else you would have seen he was talking only about Tobago.... ;)
I told them that ages ago but they still choose to argue for what seems to be trolling or stupidity rights.
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What ever happened to campaign finance reform?
Partnership spending $26m in taxpayers’ money
Rowley on upcoming election campaign funding:
By By Michelle Loubon
Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley said yesterday the People’s Partnership led by Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar is embarking on a $26 million election campaign using taxpayers’ money.
He also said the Finance Ministry has made provisions within each ministry for expenditure between $2 million to $15 million to finance the 2015 general election campaign.
Rowley called on the Integrity Commission to investigate.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Partnership-spending-26m-in-taxpayers-money-278136991.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Partnership-spending-26m-in-taxpayers-money-278136991.html)
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The kicks was Vasant Bahrat saying that not true. The People's Partnership didn't spend money like that. The government of Trinidad and Tobago spent that money through the allocations in the ministries' budget using GISL and partnering with the ministries highlighting the work that the ministries have done.
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SMDH this Govt want to advertise every 15 mins! so now we may be seeing and hearing their election campaign commercials every friggin 15 mins >:(
http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-GOVERNMENT-WANTS-AIRTIME-278321401.html
(http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-GOVERNMENT-WANTS-AIRTIME-278321401.html)
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SMDH this Govt want to advertise every 15 mins! so now we may be seeing and hearing their election campaign commercials every friggin 15 mins >:(
http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-GOVERNMENT-WANTS-AIRTIME-278321401.html
(http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-GOVERNMENT-WANTS-AIRTIME-278321401.html)
Since 2010...I noticed...especially in these advertisements...I rarely if ever hear..."The Government of Trinidad and Tobago."
You would hear..."The People's Partnership Government."
I cant ever recall hearing any convention of that happening before. Did GISL or its previous incarnates say "The PNM Government?". I know I used to hear "The Government of Trinidad and Tobago"
Think about it.
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SMDH this Govt want to advertise every 15 mins! so now we may be seeing and hearing their election campaign commercials every friggin 15 mins >:(
http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-GOVERNMENT-WANTS-AIRTIME-278321401.html
(http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-GOVERNMENT-WANTS-AIRTIME-278321401.html)
Since 2010...I noticed...especially in these advertisements...I rarely if ever hear..."The Government of Trinidad and Tobago."
You would hear..."The People's Partnership Government."
I cant ever recall hearing any convention of that happening before. Did GISL or its previous incarnates say "The PNM Government?". I know I used to hear "The Government of Trinidad and Tobago"
Think about it.
Nutten 2 think bout they advertsise d PP plain in we face. No attempt to hide just like they does take we money. Tief have some hiding involve them taking.