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Sports => Football => Topic started by: de_redman on November 14, 2014, 05:42:34 PM
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According to CNC3 there is trouble in Jamaica. Coach Hart has not been paid in 8 months. Despite promises that he would be paid in Jamaica, this has not come to pass. He is being advised by family and close associates to pack it up and head back to his home in Canada. Further to this members of the national team have not been paid a match fee since their friendly match against Iran. Also the team's manager has remained in Trinidad in order to secure a cheque from the ministry of sport in order to help with expenses in Jamaica but this has yet to happen. Members of the technical team and players are very concerned and there have been rumblings and uncertainty with regards to the future of their current stay in Jamaica.
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Things will be okay. The check will come by the end of the weekend. Yuh forget who they dealing with. The process is make noise in the media then the check will come. Look what happen with the women.
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According to CNC3 there is trouble in Jamaica. Coach Hart has not been paid in 8 months. Despite promises that he would be paid in Jamaica, this has not come to pass. He is being advised by family and close associates to pack it up and head back to his home in Canada. Further to this members of the national team have not been paid a match fee since their friendly match against Iran. Also the team's manager has remained in Trinidad in order to secure a cheque from the ministry of sport in order to help with expenses in Jamaica but this has yet to happen. Members of the technical team and players are very concerned and there have been rumblings and uncertainty with regards to the future of their current stay in Jamaica.
... Coaches should get hazard pay. De Russians eh pay Capello in 5 months. An all too familiar occurrence. Best time to leverage a positive outcome is now.
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Things will be okay. The check will come by the end of the weekend. Yuh forget who they dealing with. The process is make noise in the media then the check will come. Look what happen with the women.
And how is any of this okay? ??? It is okay to be embarrassed continuously as a nation?
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Things will be okay. The check will come by the end of the weekend. Yuh forget who they dealing with. The process is make noise in the media then the check will come. Look what happen with the women.
And how is any of this okay? ??? It is okay to be embarrassed continuously as a nation?
I never said it is okay.. I said it will be okay. They will still play tomorrow.
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I never said it is okay.. I said it will be okay. They will still play tomorrow.
You never know. Maybe they'll do like DJ Bravo and dem and abandon de tournament.
Sometimes tings jes need blowing up.
It's beyond sad that it always seems to come down to this brinksmanship thing. A sporting game of chicken where one day....nobody will blink.
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Damn friggin' ridiculous that we can allow this situation to go on with no pay for anybody.
I asked the question for Flex to submit to the TTFA about who is getting pay and whether others like the media officer are getting paid.
Kudos to any journalist who wishes to delve into this crisis and report the truth, that we are apparently too drunk with fun to want to know.
A coach eh getting paid for 8 months!! So how to pay for his/ her family bills. Pure madness! Lasana please do some of your investigative expose's. You were beginning to release some of these shocking files as I was listening to you on i95.5 with Andre the Fearless one.
Whether it is a successful coach like Hart, a struggling coach like Latas or a controversial coach like Shabazz, it's wrong people. Man have to eat ah food especially when you sacrifcing for your country with blood sweat and tears. Pay your soldiers, pay your warriors.
Our priority should be clammering to right this wrong rather than any other self-serving bandwaggonist priority.
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Well it have people complaining for $100 TT for a game.
Where yuh want them get money from? Put yuh money where yuh mouth is or yuh time.
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Outside of relying on the government and FIFA for funding why don't the TTFA throw some fund raising events? Like a Christmas Boat Dance or a Carnival Fete or something.
They need to get more creative with trying to raise some funds so they can at least pay their staff, coaches and players.
Come on TTFA, you'll need to be doing better than this and stop relying on your staff working for free and taking advantage of their patriotism.
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If hart expect to get paid for this work he must be stupid or dotish. When was the last time a coach was paid on time and regular for the ttff payment for this job is a week in Jamaica and a pass to go and watch football free you also get to boost your resume. That is the payment Money is not part of the equation.
Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results
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Ironically I recalled one of Hart's first stance when he assumed the role was to advocate for the assistant coaches to be paid.
Now if there is some legitimacy to this report, I ask if this was Beenhakker or another foreign coach, would the Federation been negligent in payments? Just when things were looking upwards, we here the refrain here we go again!!!
National team right? National coach right? Working for the nation right? Who runs the nation? Not theTTFA!!!! What this does be so 4cup? Is there a mechanism from the ministry to ensure that monies allocated be paid? Is this not part of the submission to the sports ministry ?
Ah shucks man
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Outside of relying on the government and FIFA for funding why don't the TTFA throw some fund raising events? Like a Christmas Boat Dance or a Carnival Fete or something.
They need to get more creative with trying to raise some funds so they can at least pay their staff, coaches and players.
Come on TTFA, you'll need to be doing better than this and stop relying on your staff working for free and taking advantage of their patriotism.
The thing is that organizing such an event will hardly scratch the surface. Let's say a boat ride. Cost is around $8,000 plus marketing/promotion (say $10,000) plus guest artist ($10,000 - $20,000). 300 tickets @ $200 = $60,000
So, TTFA may make $28,000 if all tickets are sold. But to organize it, they would need to hire someone or an event company. Then they would feel the need to supply a few free tickets for VIP guests, and supply a VIP bar. If they make $20k I'd be amazed.
Now $20k may be a good result for a guy who earns his living from events, but unless you run one a month, how is all of that effort worth $20k? Remember last year, TTFA didn't have enough staff to take admission fees at some of the F.A. Trophy games.
I agree TTFA could do more, but unless they employ a marketing team (which they can't afford) how can they run events?
As much as I'd like to see 20,000 at the women's game vs Ecuador, you can't blame TTFA for upping the admission fee while they have a chance of earning some bucks.
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Please forumites say this ain't so or what i'm hearing .... just say this ain't so ... what de a.rse i reading ....... if there any credence to what i'm reading right now well something seriously wrong and adrift.....
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Damn friggin' ridiculous that we can allow this situation to go on with no pay for anybody.
I asked the question for Flex to submit to the TTFA about who is getting pay and whether others like the media officer are getting paid.
Kudos to any journalist who wishes to delve into this crisis and report the truth, that we are apparently too drunk with fun to want to know.
A coach eh getting paid for 8 months!! So how to pay for his/ her family bills. Pure madness! Lasana please do some of your investigative expose's. You were beginning to release some of these shocking files as I was listening to you on i95.5 with Andre the Fearless one.
Whether it is a successful coach like Hart, a struggling coach like Latas or a controversial coach like Shabazz, it's wrong people. Man have to eat ah food especially when you sacrifcing for your country with blood sweat and tears. Pay your soldiers, pay your warriors.
Our priority should be clammering to right this wrong rather than any other self-serving bandwaggonist priority.
Our priority right now should be to focus on facts and not innuendo... from what I understand, the gov't just passed an appropriation to pay Hart his entire salary not just arrears but also going forward. This is part of a committment by the MoS to underwrite the salaries of the MNT coaching and technical staff. So let us not get too carried away based on some talk coming out of Jamaica right now.
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Hope all get sorted out very soon. I cannot imagine not getting paid for months... no wonder the coach have a sort of kubalsign finish lately.
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Hope all get sorted out very soon. I cannot imagine not getting paid for months... no wonder the coach have a sort of kubalsign finish lately.
Lol d same thing cross my mind...he rel trim down....but he looks healthy.
On a serious note though, Hart marketing himself with the success he has brought to the MNT. If what is said is true, that is complete madness. Imagine not getting paid for 8 months. My better sense is telling me that can't be true...ciz I know I eh wukkin no where for 8 months for free....period....cld be de pope wuk ...I eh want it.
I wonder if tim kee getting paid...I know for a fact Fuentes getting paid...
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Damn friggin' ridiculous that we can allow this situation to go on with no pay for anybody.
I asked the question for Flex to submit to the TTFA about who is getting pay and whether others like the media officer are getting paid.
Kudos to any journalist who wishes to delve into this crisis and report the truth, that we are apparently too drunk with fun to want to know.
A coach eh getting paid for 8 months!! So how to pay for his/ her family bills. Pure madness! Lasana please do some of your investigative expose's. You were beginning to release some of these shocking files as I was listening to you on i95.5 with Andre the Fearless one.
Whether it is a successful coach like Hart, a struggling coach like Latas or a controversial coach like Shabazz, it's wrong people. Man have to eat ah food especially when you sacrifcing for your country with blood sweat and tears. Pay your soldiers, pay your warriors.
Our priority should be clammering to right this wrong rather than any other self-serving bandwaggonist priority.
Our priority right now should be to focus on facts and not innuendo... from what I understand, the gov't just passed an appropriation to pay Hart his entire salary not just arrears but also going forward. This is part of a committment by the MoS to underwrite the salaries of the MNT coaching and technical staff. So let us not get too carried away based on some talk coming out of Jamaica right now.
Buh dreamer eh submit nutten oppositional or laden with innuendo ... Regardless of when this matter is rectified, it has been an egregious affair. And, it reflects poorly on the admin, regardless of whatever best efforts have been applied, or regardless of whether mitigating factors apply. There comes a point in time when the rubber meets the road.
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If hart expect to get paid for this work he must be stupid or dotish. When was the last time a coach was paid on time and regular for the ttff payment for this job is a week in Jamaica and a pass to go and watch football free you also get to boost your resume. That is the payment Money is not part of the equation.
Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results
Thankfully, someone has done it! Yuh comments are coming from the right place, but they are somewhat insensitive. We should be grateful that SH has endured and toiled through this because the benefit to the NT, and by extension the fans has been evident. Moreover, if yuh consider that player selection has been transparent and fairly even, and engaging by including some who otherwise wouldn't see the light of day, I say dahis even more value delivered. On top of all that, I'm entirely happy that it is being delivered by a T&T coach.
Fabio Capello on paper is de highest paid coach in international ball. He eh get paid neither ... he chupid too? There's no doubt that in that situation yuh make a calculus as to professional life beyond the situation.
Both men will get dey money.
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Look ah post it here long time now.
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=63394.msg909949#msg909949
This is bull shit.
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I saw an interview with SH some weeks ago and on the issue of money, the man just seemed lost and frustrated although he tried to be diplomatic.
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Imagine if the TTFA had rebranded itself as The TT Life Support Football Association Program? That former minister would still be wicking and benefitting from the accomplishments of this team. Lol
Makes ypu wonder now how so much money allocated to sports could be so mismanaged? But now in hindsight you ask yuhself who was really behind hiring a coach who once was allegedly parry of an insurrectionist campaign agonist a government? And people expected members of that team who were ex soldiers to follow the leadership of that coach?
Look nah is real tats that went on before we and now when we Turing the corner, look what squeeze happening?
How does the government justify paying such a payout to the 2006 Socawarriors when their beef was not against the government? That same money could have been spent to support our national teams, the sad part about this is that the reported justification for that transaction is a proviso that monies will be paid back once the players settle with their original claim. Yeah right like they have time money or motivation now to continue fighting that claim!!!!'
All that tata we still bearing. The burden of today.
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Doh worry guys. As soon as the new constitution and elections, Sheldon will go his way back to the US. Hart will get an offer in either Canada or US(his rep. will be on Mt. Everest by then). So you guys will get your wish.
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I dont trust Tim Kee. He should just be honest and upfront.
But I hope something is worked out.
We need Hart on the job.
Why are there always some baccanal in T&T football don't matter who takes over?
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Ask Sheldon if Lincoln getting paid?
Tim Kee wants people to believe in his dream and work for free.
They hired 11 staff members for the women team at the expense of the men's.
Lincoln might replace Hart soon.
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Ask Sheldon if Lincoln getting paid?
Tim Kee wants people to believe in his dream and work for free.
They hired 11 staff members for the women team at the expense of the men's.
Lincoln might replace Hart soon.
:rotfl: Mr Horner, you are a funny character ... in a kinda way.
Yuh does go silent then appear like a jack-in-de-box at interesting times, like a kinda jumbie.
I would, though, like to hear your opinion on Uncle Jackulito's track record of paying people. Something to be proud of, in contrast?
I would also like to hear your take on Sheldon Phillips. All bad, mostly good or in between. Some "good" qualities similar to Jackulito? Traitor? Greedy?
When, in your opinion, did Lincoln go from a good guy to a bad guy? Was he ever a good guy?
I'm sure you would claim to know stuff and maybe you have a few pearls to share, as long as they are not classified.
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Tim kee reluctance to persue the money from the 2006 campaign,will foever be that 10,000 lb rock around his neck,which will continue to haunt the foofball admistration and futher embasass the entire nation and its nationals... :devil:
Jack you have truely. F@#Ked it up royally .... :cursing:
More fire for you and those who have participated in the fraud of2006
Jah extend your hand and save us
Rastafari
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Tim kee reluctance to persue the money from the 2006 campaign,will foever be that 10,000 lb rock around his neck,which will continue to haunt the foofball admistration and futher embasass the entire nation and its nationals... :devil:
Jack you have truely. F@#Ked it up royally .... :cursing:
More fire for you and those who have participated in the fraud of2006
Jah extend your hand and save us
Rastafari
Paitience, grasshopper.
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Hear nah,this non payment going on too long and it comming more often
The grasshopper want that head like right now and that being said..its still late
If Hart-Atac should walk,now that we inlove with the progress we have made,that will be adding another insult to the original injury
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Hear nah,this non payment going on too long and it comming more often
The grasshopper want that head like right now and that being said..its still late
If Hart-Atac should walk,now that we inlove with the progress we have made,that will be adding another insult to the original injury
is it 'non-payment' or slow payment? Hart went into this thing with his eyes wide open... obviously he knows what he's dealing with better than anybody here, yet allyuh ready condemn the TTFA and start all kinda protest against them. There is much that is probably happening behind the scenes that the public not privy to at this point, and can't be made privy to at this point. We haven't heard from Coach Hart himself on the issue, so why are we even putting this much stock and emotion into this? The problems facing the TTFA are legion and not everything can be fixed immediately. Tim Kee never said that he's reluctant to go after the missing money, he just said that "litigation is not an option at this time." Why are people listening to that and hearing something else?
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If anything going on behind the scene I will be relieved
Check it...if nothing going on behind the scene.. :frustrated:
Is Latas Shabazz Hart Waldran did I miss anyone
National pride is at stake
This should not be taken lightly
With authority comes responsibility
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Warriors unpaid for six months; but vow to lift Caribbean Cup.
Lasana Liburd (wired868)
The “Soca Warriors” are four days away from the 2014 Caribbean Cup finals in Jamaica after successive group stage wins over Curaçao and French Guiana. But Wired868 can confirm that it is six months since the national senior team players were last paid a match fee and eight months since Trinidad and Tobago head coach Stephen Hart received a salary.
The Warriors stormed up to 49th in the FIFA rankings last month, which is the country’s highest place in eight years. Off the field, though, the situation is increasingly fragile with the squad repeatedly frustrated with unfulfilled promises by Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) president Raymond Tim Kee and general secretary Sheldon Phillips.
Wired868 was reliably informed that the Warriors have not received any payment for their last six outings, which dates back to a June 8 friendly against Iran in São Paulo. The outstanding sum is said to be nearing the region of $5 million.
It is a talking point within the camp and a source of concern for players and staff alike. However, Hart assured Trinidad and Tobago that the Warriors remain focused on the job and bringing pride to the two island republic in the regional tournament.
“The players and all of us are just trying to focus on football,” Hart told Wired868. “All the discussions between players and management (about the outstanding money) happened before we left (Trinidad). These players are totally focused on getting to the Gold Cup, which we have achieved, and trying to win the Caribbean Cup.
“In the back of their minds, I am sure there are little issues. But they have given more than I can ever ask of them on the field.”
The San Fernando-bred coach, who previously coached Canada at youth and senior level, was more guarded when asked to confirm that he had not been paid for the last eight months. He stressed that he felt uncomfortable discussing such matters in public and did not want to distract his squad.
“I suppose it is no real secret that I haven’t been paid,” said Hart. “But I don’t want to make waves or wash my laundry in public. I just want to focus on us getting to the Gold Cup and speak to (the TTFA) later.”
Team manager William Wallace has still not left for Jamaica as he tries to play his role in handling the financial rescue package, which is expected to come from the Ministry of Sport. But he said he expects the matter to be sorted in time for Tuesday’s Caribbean Cup final.
“All will be well by next Tuesday,” said Wallace. “The Minister of Sport (Dr Rupert Griffith) really went beyond the call and people stayed in (the office) until after 6 pm to do the paperwork to make sure all is ready by next week Tuesday.”
When Hart was unveiled as the new Trinidad and Tobago head coach on 24 June 2013, Tim Kee said his salary would not be borne by taxpayers but, instead, would be picked up by three unnamed sponsors—two local and one international organisation. The supposed sponsors were never identified and Wired868 understands that Hart’s outstanding payments are also on the Government’s tab.
Trinidad and Tobago plays its final group match tomorrow on Saturday November 15 from 9 pm (TT time) against Cuba in Montego Bay. A draw or a win will put Warriors in the final for the second time in successive competitions.
In 2012, Trinidad and Tobago lost 1-0 to Cuba in extra time of the regional final. And Hart said tomorrow’s game will be treated like a final.
“We have to play two finals,” said Hart. “One tomorrow and, if we win, another one after that on Tuesday And that is all I am concerned with right now.”
Unfortunately, it will not be as simple as putting Trinidad and Tobago’s best players on the field. And, although Orlando City attacker Kevin Molino scored seven times in his last four outings, it is possible that the gifted number 10 will be rested tomorrow as a matter of preserving the player’s health.
According to FIFA rules, players are only supposed to play twice within an international match window. Molino has already appeared in two games and there are as many remaining.
Should a player’s employer lodge a complaint, the TTFA would be open to sanction for violating FIFA’s guidelines.
“You have to think about the health and wellbeing of the players,” said Hart. “Almost almost every coach here is in the same situation… Some players are coming off the field eight to ten pounds lighter than they went on and there isn’t time for them to recover. And some players who played back to back games are dead.
“So we will be negligent if we didn’t pay attention to that… I am trying to rotate the squad and I think the players here have shown they can do it.
“I have to think about what is best for the player.”
The Warriors have not lifted the Caribbean crown since 2001 and team captain Kenwyne Jones said the players are determined to set that right. As an added bonus, the 2014 regional champion will also be invited to take part in South America’s 2016 Copa America tournament.
The players and technical staff are hoping, as they go about their jobs, that the TTFA is doing its own work to ensure they are remunerated for their efforts.
http://wired868.com/2014/11/14/warriors-unpaid-for-six-months-but-vow-to-lift-caribbean-cup/
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Good to hear Hart side of it. Thanks wired868
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Lasana, thanks again for delivering.
Some uncomfortable truths need to be reported
while re revel about the exciting stuff. Kudos to the players and staff for playing hard while being shortchanged. Justice will come eventually, usually not by being volunteered but by being forced due to the threat of embarrassment.
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These 4cars are beyond embarrassment- I ent know if that minister playing or on somepowerplay. But leh we look at the chronology of a 'stooge' from one who was a stooge to a SP- SP rode off - Federation bankrupt- along came minister and once more he kept squeezing all the balls that was left of the federation- deployed sports money elsewhere and. He rode off next come another minister and is like he just want the federation to come begging- or to beat his mercy- and who plays the ultimate price?
Herein lies the story of the Three Stooges and their band of followers. It would be a jellaba of a price to lose a coach who is finally moving this team along and instead of making the man ride out- every dam citizen PP or not should rise up and Promise severe defeat in the next 2015 election to incompetence.
How could a nation with this amount of wealth continue to find ways to bring public embarrassment to themselves over and over without even feeling it?
PS then again consider a " collective Guilt"- who knows what kinda monies were used to financed an election campaigns ing to ? Maybe money finally get doled out to where it should have gone in the first place.
I read in the Guardian today where kelvin Jack said he would consider challenging Tim Kee for the title of president of the TTFA and in addition applauded the pm for the stance in paying out the funds owed to the 2006 SocaWarriors- in my opinion a stronger moral and ethical stance would have been for the government to assist and to conclusion those directly responsible for the non payment in the first place - what does absolving the culprits by paying out the money solve? The culprit (s) is still not inclined to pay nor are the recipients of the funds motivated to spend additional time or newly acquired money to enforce their cause against the said culprit-
Nothing but a public political ploy and we still in the mess we are today!!!'mmmmmm
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So for the greater good we play the games and hopefully we win the tournament.
And then what's next? I just try to put myself in the space of the coach. There was no way i was working without pay for 6 months. I eh care what any administrator could promise after the fact.
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At the PNM Rally at the Queen's Park Savannah this Sunday Dr Keith Rowley called on the government to ensure that the players, staff and head coach of both our Women's and Men's Football Teams are properly looked after as they make the nation proud.
He said that it is unacceptable that our Men's Senior Football Team head coach Steven Hart has not been paid for 8 months and this disgrace need to be corrected by our government immediately.
I am pleased that our government opposition leader has raised this as an important national pride issue.
Lets see how our PR PP government responds.
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This is absolutely alarming to say the least.. it is about time much be said about the shameful treatment of the coaching personnels ..!! This cannot be allowed to continue , along the same path... thank you Dr keith rowley ... for shedding light on this issue of non payment as it relates to our national coaches !!
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Govt must find $$ to pay our footballers
T&T Express Reports.
Rowley at PNM convention:
People’s National Movement (PNM) political leader Dr Keith Rowley yesterday demanded that Government find money to pay the national women’s and men’s football teams and the coach.
Speaking to thousands at the party’s 45th annual convention at the Grand Stand, Queen’s Park Savannah, Port of Spain, Rowley said: “We could find hundreds of millions, just so, to feed crime in LifeSport and inflate contracts to enrich friends...but at the same time our national women’s football team is penniless and hungry in a foreign land and our men’s football team has played without pay, match after match, and the coach (Stephen Hart) of the national football team of Trinidad and Tobago has not received a salary for nine months. Have we no shame? This simply cannot be allowed to continue.
“Tonight I call on the Government to approve an appropriate budget to sustain our youngsters on the women’s football team and the national football team and to have the coach paid right through to the very end of their programme. We, the people of Trinidad and Tobago, the taxpayers, they (the teams) make us proud, they must not be suffering indignities as they carry the red, white and black,” he added.
Rowley said LifeSport was just the “tip of the iceberg” in terms of Government wastage and poorly-conceived and designed programmes and policies.
“WASA is just as shocking and the NGC (National Gas Company) is the Government’s official piggy bank. Money is wasted or misallocated in almost every area,” he said.
Rowley, who spoke extensively on the direction the PNM was proposing to take the country, said the party had reviewed Vision 2020 and “tried, honestly, to assess what things we have done right and what things we did wrong while in Government between 2002 and 2010”.
He said the six guiding principles underpinning the party’s policy were morality in public affairs; personal responsibility; generosity in terms of being our brother’s keeper and the environment’s protector; equity; productivity; and subsidiarity (decentralisation).
Rowley said the challenges facing the country were crime; the development of the energy sector in the face of the shale gas revolution; dependency; corruption; competitiveness; and institutional breakdown.
Saying that the PNM was concerned about institutions such as the Central Bank, The University of the West Indies and UTT, Rowley said the main criterion for selection to run institutions could not be a party card or being “a drinking partner of the Prime Minister”.
“We now have too many institutions tripping over themselves pretending to carry out some mandate developed at a bar or cocktail party or developed by ‘vaps’ and funded by the taxpayer.”
On the issue of dependency, Rowley said too many people, “from millionaire to scrunter, had become entirely dependent on the State” and that millionaire businessmen were getting CEPEP contracts in which no training was being passed on to workers.
Rowley said the parliamentary five-year term ends in June 2015, “and the period between the second week of June and September is only for emergencies”, challenging the Government’s assertions that it has until September 2015 to call the next general election.
“No more incompetence, nepotism, favouritism, corruption, wastage of taxpayers’ money; no more mismanagement of foreign exchange, false CVs and bogus qualifications; no more constitutional amendments for partisan advantage; no more lies and deception,” Rowley declared, adding that change was coming.
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BOOM! It's so funny. I can relate personally to a number of issues he's trying to highlight here. T&T has become a very sad place :'(.
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BOOM! It's so funny. I can relate personally to a number of issues he's trying to highlight here. T&T has become a very sad place :'(.
The biggest mistake the country ever made was taking basket from a corrupt PPG and getting rid of Manning and the PNM who were actually doing a decent job with executing their 2020 vision plan.
Lets hope our PR PP government does something to ensure our Men's & Women's Football teams are looked after immediately.
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BOOM! It's so funny. I can relate personally to a number of issues he's trying to highlight here. T&T has become a very sad place :'(.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Govt-must-find--to-pay-our-footballers-282899311.html
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I don't agree with the politicizing of the issue, it's not good when the PP gov't do it, so I won't say it's good just because Rowley is doing it. What I would like to see, in addition to, or perhaps in place of, funding thru the MoS, is that government entities start the ball rolling by investing some of their marketing and other discretionary funds into the TTFA. Since everybody seems to agree that sponsorship is the biggest problem right now, since there is money appropriated with the NGC, TTEC, WASA etc. for marketing, advertising, public relations etc... put some of that into the FA. That would provide a much needed cash infusion, and hopefully encourage the private sector to get involved as well.
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I don't agree with the politicizing of the issue, it's not good when the PP gov't do it, so I won't say it's good just because Rowley is doing it. What I would like to see, in addition to, or perhaps in place of, funding thru the MoS, is that government entities start the ball rolling by investing some of their marketing and other discretionary funds into the TTFA. Since everybody seems to agree that sponsorship is the biggest problem right now, since there is money appropriated with the NGC, TTEC, WASA etc. for marketing, advertising, public relations etc... put some of that into the FA. That would provide a much needed cash infusion, and hopefully encourage the private sector to get involved as well.
Well according to Tim Kee no money outstanding so this thread need to delete and somebody need to tell Hart he pay "arranged". Maybe blame the bank or something, but the TTFA have everything covered.
Rowley you siddung too only trying politics. Asa a matter of fact everybody siddung and just watch.
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I don't agree with the politicizing of the issue, it's not good when the PP gov't do it, so I won't say it's good just because Rowley is doing it. What I would like to see, in addition to, or perhaps in place of, funding thru the MoS, is that government entities start the ball rolling by investing some of their marketing and other discretionary funds into the TTFA. Since everybody seems to agree that sponsorship is the biggest problem right now, since there is money appropriated with the NGC, TTEC, WASA etc. for marketing, advertising, public relations etc... put some of that into the FA. That would provide a much needed cash infusion, and hopefully encourage the private sector to get involved as well.
Well according to Tim Kee no money outstanding so this thread need to delete and somebody need to tell Hart he pay "arranged". Maybe blame the bank or something, but the TTFA have everything covered.
Rowley you siddung too only trying politics. Asa a matter of fact everybody siddung and just watch.
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Warriors blank CFU final over $10m wage dispute.
By Rhondor Dowlat (Guardian).
BOYCOTT!
T&T’s Soca Warriors last night decided to boycott tonight’s CFU Caribbean Football Cup final against Jamaica over the non-payment of salaries and arrears, amounting to an estimated $10 million, owed to them by the T&T Football Association (TTFA).
Speaking to the T&T Guardian from Jamaica last night, skipper Kenwyne Jones said the decision may very well mean this will be the last time fans will see this team.
Jones said the team, which had already qualified for the Concacaf Gold Cup by virtue of reaching the final, realised they were taking a drastic measure. But he said they had had enough of promises and lies. “It always affects the situation and it has been going on for a very long time,” an upset Jones said.
“We are fed up of the football association making promises and telling a lot of untruths. No one wants to be a part of football and we are in a position that is not even at breaking point. It could very well be the end of a dynasty before it could get there.”
The England-based striker admitted that coach Stephen Hart was on the brink of leaving Jamaica to return to Canada with his family on Sunday because he was frustrated that thousands of dollars owed to him had not yet been paid. He said the players and technical staff also faced the same dilemma, noting some of them had not been paid for years.
Contacted on the matter yesterday, TTFA general secretary Sheldon Phillips confirmed the team was owed millions. He said a Cabinet note was passed about two weeks ago approving a sum of $10 million. That sum, he said, will be to pay the debt and take the Soca Warriors through to the Gold Cup next year.
“We sent a note to Cabinet explaining the situation and the millions of dollars we owed,” Phillips said. “We are now in the process of getting those funds drawn down. We were promised part last week and got nothing. When we enquired we were told today (Monday) and still nothing.”
Phillips said he was doing all he could to get the money to pay the team. We are dealing with a lot, including having a new permanent secretary at the Ministry of Sport. “We have been liaising with the ministry for months now and happy that we actually got this breakthrough of the $10 million.
Payment is imminent though.” He in 2012 they were already $4 million in arrears to the team. He said he hoped the players were despondent to the point that it would affect the final. “Understandably, they are dealing with this for a long time but I am pushing very hard to address this as soon as possible.”
Players have bills too
But speaking from the team’s camp in Kingston yesterday, Jones said Hart has been owned money for a period of eight months, the staff for more than eight months and the players for about four years.
“That figure may vary per player. Some are owed $30,000 and $40,000,” he said. “The coach has his family to see about, bills to pay. We, the players, need payment too. Most of them say they will leave and never return to play for T&T again because of this overbearing situation. We tried to hold it together but can’t again.”
Political Leader of the People’s National Movement (PNM), Dr Keith Rowley, during a speech at the party’s convention on Sunday, raised the issue of the non-payment of wages and lack of funding for both the men’s and women’s football team.
He said: “We could find hundreds of millions, just so, to feed crime in LifeSport and inflate contracts to enrich friends, but at the same time our national women’s football team is penniless in a foreign land and the men’s team have played without pay, match after match. Have we no shame? This simply cannot be allowed to continue.”
Efforts to reach TTFA president Raymond Tim Kee and Minister of Sport Dr Rupert Griffith for comment last night wee unsuccessful as calls to their cellphones went unanswered and they did not return messages.
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It good for we >:(
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From Trinidad Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.tt/columnist/2012-09-09/towards-corruption-free-tt
Published:
Sunday, September 9, 2012
Corruption continues to be a hot topic in the everyday life of the people of Trinidad and Tobago. In our news media, the business community, among politicians and among those who write letters to newspaper editors, issues of corruption, transparency within the Public Service, arbitrary, unfair treatment, and the absence of integrity remain prominent. In one newspaper a writer says “corruption is rife in the nation.” Over the past few weeks we have read the following headlines in the local newspapers:
• “Our deeper corruption”
• “A call to serve country–not self”
• “An eye for an eye”
• “Culture of compliance needed”..
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I am quite shocked to see this headline this morning. However, the talk coming out of Jamaica has been very emotional....I just didn't realize the players would go this far!
I imagine that KJ feels that nothing has changed since 2006 and the court case was all for nothing, morally. I imagine this is not about money for him, but he's standing up for the rest of the team.
I can see the frustrations from all sides. Particularly the lack of timely support from the govt after the debacle of LifeSport.
There are many questions to be asked about the relationship between TTFA and MoS and why it always appears to be MoS delaying payments.
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I am quite shocked to see this headline this morning. However, the talk coming out of Jamaica has been very emotional....I just didn't realize the players would go this far!
I imagine that KJ feels that nothing has changed since 2006 and the court case was all for nothing, morally. I imagine this is not about money for him, but he's standing up for the rest of the team.
I can see the frustrations from all sides. Particularly the lack of timely support from the govt after the debacle of LifeSport.
There are many questions to be asked about the relationship between TTFA and MoS and why it always appears to be MoS delaying payments.
TTFA + MoS = PNM vs PP
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Tim Kee is making the rounds on the morning shows indicating that according to his information "Game On!"
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I am quite shocked to see this headline this morning. However, the talk coming out of Jamaica has been very emotional....I just didn't realize the players would go this far!
I imagine that KJ feels that nothing has changed since 2006 and the court case was all for nothing, morally. I imagine this is not about money for him, but he's standing up for the rest of the team.
I can see the frustrations from all sides. Particularly the lack of timely support from the govt after the debacle of LifeSport.
There are many questions to be asked about the relationship between TTFA and MoS and why it always appears to be MoS delaying payments.
TTFA + MoS = PNM vs PP
This very point was made when Tim-Kee stood for the presidency. It's not really rocket science is it?
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The manager is en route to Jamaica with the players money. The TTFA and the minister of Finance sat down last night along with the minister of sports to come up with a plan top expedite the process so the players and staff will get their arrears before today's games.
So I was told.
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Good for the players. Should have done this before the tournament IMO.
Also this is why we need a players union. Instead of getting arrears they would negotiate future payments and arrangements with MOS, SPORTT company and TTFA.
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Actually FF, always do it when you have the MOST leverage. Tactically PERFECT timing.
No propagandist for Uncle Tim, Uncle Jack, "Rupes", lackeys in the press or on this website can say the players did not sacrifice.
They got us to the final and to the Gold Cup, so even if they get fired, they would be leaving plenty room for scab labour to take their job.
They have the TTFA, MOS, press, waggonists, socawarriors website, CFU, Jamaica and tons of others eating out their hands for a "dream final". Brilliant. Just brilliant.
Nevertheless, as I said, be prepared for history to repeat itself (with players / journalists being called a bunch of greedy f**kers) with the team, Hart, those who were catalysts of the expose' like Lasana to be verbally assaulted, maligned, called the most vile names, in the hope of protecting their secret pacts. All I can say is please pray people and let those who live by the sword .....
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I can't see anybody calling them greedy.
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I will be in the minority here but I disagree with this move on the players' part. If you are going to boycott, do it before you show up. Thinking of the whole football program, not playing in the final can have a devastating effect on our national teams as it could affect all of our programs. Some would say it's greed (I wouldn't), some would stay strategy (I agree) but ultimately, if you playing football for T&T and don't understand the dynamics, you are joking. Everyone's eyes are wide shut apparently. This is why all of our teams will continually suffer. Playing for your country is not about money, it is about pride. Not saying you shouldn't get paid, everyone should, but if you are truly looking for money, play for yuh damn club and don't come. We will always be in a cat and mouse game. While I don't support the current administration, in reality the TTFA is a microcosm of our society in that all we do is depend on the gov't.
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The manager is en route to Jamaica with the players money. The TTFA got the minister of Finance involved last night along with the minister of sports to expedite the process and keep their promise to the players and staff that their arrears will be addressed before today's games.
Like Ghana in de World Cup. ;D
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well constructed post Arimaman.
Some thoughtful points
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Watch and see how fast that money suddenly will be made available.
It will reach Jamaica faster than a F24 fighter traveling at mark 7. Daiz history possibly made right dey.
Uncle "greedy players" Jackulito, Horner: your comments please.
Arimaman, doh frighten you in de majority soldyah. Trus' meh, it takes real balls to shake de system and be prepared to lose everything in a hard ball move. But it's worth losing on principle as the gold bullions of respect are worth more than material silverware (on 'ungry belly) tainted with blood.
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I will be in the minority here but I disagree with this move on the players' part. If you are going to boycott, do it before you show up. Thinking of the whole football program, not playing in the final can have a devastating effect on our national teams as it could affect all of our programs. Some would say it's greed (I wouldn't), some would stay strategy (I agree) but ultimately, if you playing football for T&T and don't understand the dynamics, you are joking. Everyone's eyes are wide shut apparently. This is why all of our teams will continually suffer. Playing for your country is not about money, it is about pride. Not saying you shouldn't get paid, everyone should, but if you are truly looking for money, play for yuh damn club and don't come. We will always be in a cat and mouse game. While I don't support the current administration, in reality the TTFA is a microcosm of our society in that all we do is depend on the gov't.
That is all well and good. Seems reasonable, but we are not dealing with reasonable people. We are dealing with probably the most corrupt govt ever! They can find millions for friends and family but for the people who actually put the country on the map, they must wait.
This is not new. This has been happening under previous admins. The situation really is worse now because corruption is shooting through the roof and the present admin carries on and don't give a damn as long as friends and family can full their pockets.
Unless we get a govt that truly understands the importance of sport in marketing a country this will always happen. These idiots really believe that it all about them. Just ask the two-landrovers man. Before he came into govt he was a crusader for integrity in govt. Now he is in govt integrity be damned, unless of course, it will paralyze or destroy his opposition.
Thank God we don't live forever.
Oh btw, playing for pride is good if you don't live off the play. Otherwise playing for pride is bullshit if you are a professional. Do you work for pride or money? Or do you work for money and then take pride in your work You guys need to come off of that bullshit cliche! These are professionals. They must be payed before they can play for pride!!
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A word of caution before the revisionists of history have their say.
Let it be written into the history records of T&T that:
Kenwyne Jones and his band of nashy foot soldiers, aided and abetted secretly by the devious hungry belly and recently-made-magga coach BraveHart and the dirty "f**kers" and instigators, like Lasana and other filth like him, made happen, without much help from a persuasive bunch of naysayers, one of the most historic massive payouts (on their terms and on their timeline demands) to footballers in the plantation of a place called Trinidad. This opened the door to a frightening wave of calls from more of the player savages in other sports and Caribbean plantation territories for justice, transparency and fairness. Scary times we were living in.
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The manager is en route to Jamaica with the players money. The TTFA got the minister of Finance involved last night along with the minister of sports to expedite the process and keep their promise to the players and staff that their arrears will be addressed before today's games.
Like Ghana in de World Cup. ;D
So I expect to see them posing wit d cheques.
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The manager is en route to Jamaica with the players money. The TTFA got the minister of Finance involved last night along with the minister of sports to expedite the process and keep their promise to the players and staff that their arrears will be addressed before today's games.
Like Ghana in de World Cup. ;D
So I expect to see them posing wit d cheques.
You mean with cash
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Brown envelopes maybe coming through Montego Bay airport. Diplomatic immunity arranged by the Don "Honest Horace" Burrellito.
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Well Rowley will be happy to see the political bait he put out there has been gleefully snapped up. I'm not saying the MoS doesn't have a degree of culpability or not but the primary reason the state of football is in the mess its in is because of the TTFF/TTFA's lack of accountability, transparency and regulatory structure for donkey years now. Its with a high degree of hilarity that Rowley thinks he has the moral authority to comment on such matters, kettle calling pot black imo and politicizing the matter does absolutely nothing but take away from the deep and serious discussion needed around the state of our national football program. Imagine our men's team on the brink of winning a title and qualifying for a historic tournament and our women's team on the brink world cup history as well and people trying to gain political mileage.
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The manager is en route to Jamaica with the players money. The TTFA got the minister of Finance involved last night along with the minister of sports to expedite the process and keep their promise to the players and staff that their arrears will be addressed before today's games.
Really? So the situation was resolved by TTFA?
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Well Rowley will be happy to see the political bait he put out there has been gleefully snapped up. I'm not saying the MoS doesn't have a degree of culpability or not but the primary reason the state of football is in the mess its in is because of the TTFF/TTFA's lack of accountability, transparency and regulatory structure for donkey years now. Its with a high degree of hilarity that Rowley thinks he has the moral authority to comment on such matters, kettle calling pot black imo and politicizing the matter does absolutely nothing but take away from the deep and serious discussion needed around the state of our national football program. Imagine our men's team on the brink of winning a title and qualifying for a historic tournament and our women's team on the brink world cup history as well and people trying to gain political mileage.
Everything will be politicized if it will a govt look bad, especially if they are the source of the revenue. We have a welfare league and call it a pro-league. We have the same set of losers running it. Now if we had competent people running it maybe, just maybe, we would not be in the financial position that we are in today.
I hace stated before and will stand by it that our govts should not finance more than 5 sports. Football, Cricket, Track and field and Cycling. Every other sport should fend for itself. Imagine Manning gave so much money to Basketball, a sport that will never see us on the world stage, My heart goes out to netball but none of our girls will go on to earn a living from this sport. I say scrap it and develop the aforementioned 5 sports from primary to high school. IF this done we will develop more world beaters.
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The manager is en route to Jamaica with the players money. The TTFA got the minister of Finance involved last night along with the minister of sports to expedite the process and keep their promise to the players and staff that their arrears will be addressed before today's games.
Really? So the situation was resolved by TTFA?
I am sure that is how Flex got the message.
The TTFA taking credit for this when is really the government who had and always have to bail them out.
De TTFA been promising.
Only because de players embarrass the country that de government step in and now de TTFA making it look like they are the ones making this happen.
Tim Kee and Sheldon playing politics.
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The manager is en route to Jamaica with the players money. The TTFA got the minister of Finance involved last night along with the minister of sports to expedite the process and keep their promise to the players and staff that their arrears will be addressed before today's games.
Really? So the situation was resolved by TTFA?
Repost.
The manager is en route to Jamaica with the players money. The TTFA and the minister of Finance sat down last night along with the minister of sports to come up with a plan top expedite the process so the players and staff will get their arrears before today's games.
The minister/s came through to bail out the FA.
So I was told.
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The manager is en route to Jamaica with the players money. The TTFA got the minister of Finance involved last night along with the minister of sports to expedite the process and keep their promise to the players and staff that their arrears will be addressed before today's games.
Really? So the situation was resolved by TTFA?
I am sure that is how Flex got the message.
The TTFA taking credit for this when is really the government who had and always have to bail them out.
De TTFA been promising.
Only because de players embarrass the country that de government step in and now de TTFA making it look like they are the ones making this happen.
Tim Kee and Sheldon playing politics.
Well, I have heard a slightly different story. Not to say that TTFA did not work through the night.
KJ made it clear that this was not about him, but that the team were supporting Hart. The players want the Caribbean Cup, but they also don't want to lose Hart (no pun intended!)
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The manager is en route to Jamaica with the players money. The TTFA got the minister of Finance involved last night along with the minister of sports to expedite the process and keep their promise to the players and staff that their arrears will be addressed before today's games.
Like Ghana in de World Cup. ;D
So I expect to see them posing wit d cheques.
You mean with cash
Nah the Manager get cheques.
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I will be in the minority here but I disagree with this move on the players' part. If you are going to boycott, do it before you show up. Thinking of the whole football program, not playing in the final can have a devastating effect on our national teams as it could affect all of our programs. Some would say it's greed (I wouldn't), some would stay strategy (I agree) but ultimately, if you playing football for T&T and don't understand the dynamics, you are joking. Everyone's eyes are wide shut apparently. This is why all of our teams will continually suffer. Playing for your country is not about money, it is about pride. Not saying you shouldn't get paid, everyone should, but if you are truly looking for money, play for yuh damn club and don't come. We will always be in a cat and mouse game. While I don't support the current administration, in reality the TTFA is a microcosm of our society in that all we do is depend on the gov't.
That is all well and good. Seems reasonable, but we are not dealing with reasonable people. We are dealing with probably the most corrupt govt ever! They can find millions for friends and family but for the people who actually put the country on the map, they must wait.
This is not new. This has been happening under previous admins. The situation really is worse now because corruption is shooting through the roof and the present admin carries on and don't give a damn as long as friends and family can full their pockets.
Unless we get a govt that truly understands the importance of sport in marketing a country this will always happen. These idiots really believe that it all about them. Just ask the two-landrovers man. Before he came into govt he was a crusader for integrity in govt. Now he is in govt integrity be damned, unless of course, it will paralyze or destroy his opposition.
Thank God we don't live forever.
Oh btw, playing for pride is good if you don't live off the play. Otherwise playing for pride is bullshit if you are a professional. Do you work for pride or money? Or do you work for money and then take pride in your work You guys need to come off of that bullshit cliche! These are professionals. They must be payed before they can play for pride!!
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I will be in the minority here but I disagree with this move on the players' part. If you are going to boycott, do it before you show up. Thinking of the whole football program, not playing in the final can have a devastating effect on our national teams as it could affect all of our programs. Some would say it's greed (I wouldn't), some would stay strategy (I agree) but ultimately, if you playing football for T&T and don't understand the dynamics, you are joking. Everyone's eyes are wide shut apparently. This is why all of our teams will continually suffer. Playing for your country is not about money, it is about pride. Not saying you shouldn't get paid, everyone should, but if you are truly looking for money, play for yuh damn club and don't come. We will always be in a cat and mouse game. While I don't support the current administration, in reality the TTFA is a microcosm of our society in that all we do is depend on the gov't.
That is all well and good. Seems reasonable, but we are not dealing with reasonable people. We are dealing with probably the most corrupt govt ever! They can find millions for friends and family but for the people who actually put the country on the map, they must wait.
This is not new. This has been happening under previous admins. The situation really is worse now because corruption is shooting through the roof and the present admin carries on and don't give a damn as long as friends and family can full their pockets.
Unless we get a govt that truly understands the importance of sport in marketing a country this will always happen. These idiots really believe that it all about them. Just ask the two-landrovers man. Before he came into govt he was a crusader for integrity in govt. Now he is in govt integrity be damned, unless of course, it will paralyze or destroy his opposition.
Thank God we don't live forever.
Oh btw, playing for pride is good if you don't live off the play. Otherwise playing for pride is bullshit if you are a professional. Do you work for pride or money? Or do you work for money and then take pride in your work You guys need to come off of that bullshit cliche! These are professionals. They must be payed before they can play for pride!!
You have a typical Trinidadian mentality...gov't, gov't, gov't..... Everybody looking for a handout. Quite frankly to me it is sickening. There is a marked difference. Playing for one's country is not a madate, we not in China or Russia. You get called, you can choose to come or not. I understand, in some circumstances you can be banned by your local association which affects your club career but these lads are into it for themselves. I am not saying they are greedy (they are owed the money), however, you really think they care about the women's team and the youth teams and trinidad in general.... please.... I am not disagreeing with their boycott, I feel the timing is poor. Again, some would say it is right because they have the upper hand but that's the way we work in trini. We don't like how the gov't work, so we burn tires. Small minded stuff man. I will never defend the TTFA but in reality they have no resources other that gov't handouts and FIFA. How we get out of that rut, I don't know.
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Completely support the timing of this strike.
History has shown that when ppl just walk away, it's business as usual with the TTFF. Had these fellas all quit before the tournament, a second String team would have been sent. And we might have spent a year or more like this.
Now the TTFA says the money was being arranged by the MOS and that's why the manager stayed back. Well guess what, the money was STILL late and they say FACK dat, no football. And they damn right. Is years now ppl waiting for they money. Nobody can say these fella selfish or are mercenaries.
Look at Anton, he walk away ages now, where he money? I guess it coming now. Unless the dollars is only for the ppl playing in J'ca.
Well done Warriors!!! :beermug: :beermug: :beermug:
VB
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Kenwyne Jones - We will contest the Caribbean Cup Final
https://www.youtube.com/v/rtEpp6Uo68Y&list=UUYjTv-40_nhaU5HVy5er3Ug
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Well Rowley will be happy to see the political bait he put out there has been gleefully snapped up. I'm not saying the MoS doesn't have a degree of culpability or not but the primary reason the state of football is in the mess its in is because of the TTFF/TTFA's lack of accountability, transparency and regulatory structure for donkey years now. Its with a high degree of hilarity that Rowley thinks he has the moral authority to comment on such matters, kettle calling pot black imo and politicizing the matter does absolutely nothing but take away from the deep and serious discussion needed around the state of our national football program. Imagine our men's team on the brink of winning a title and qualifying for a historic tournament and our women's team on the brink world cup history as well and people trying to gain political mileage.
So Rowley in Cahoots with KJ and the players? Don't understand what Rowley have to do with the players wanting their money.
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Repost.
The manager is en route to Jamaica with the players money. The TTFA and the minister of Finance sat down last night along with the minister of sports to come up with a plan top expedite the process so the players and staff will get their arrears before today's games.
The minister/s came through to bail out the FA.
So I was told.
How did the "minister/s" come through to 'bail' out the FA and it's the Minister's/Ministry's responsibility for the debt?
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100% behind you SH, KJ and crew
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You have a typical Trinidadian mentality...gov't, gov't, gov't..... Everybody looking for a handout. Quite frankly to me it is sickening. There is a marked difference. Playing for one's country is not a madate, we not in China or Russia. You get called, you can choose to come or not. I understand, in some circumstances you can be banned by your local association which affects your club career but these lads are into it for themselves. I am not saying they are greedy (they are owed the money), however, you really think they care about the women's team and the youth teams and trinidad in general.... please.... I am not disagreeing with their boycott, I feel the timing is poor. Again, some would say it is right because they have the upper hand but that's the way we work in trini. We don't like how the gov't work, so we burn tires. Small minded stuff man. I will never defend the TTFA but in reality they have no resources other that gov't handouts and FIFA. How we get out of that rut, I don't know.
I don't agree with the reliance on the government either, was critical of it under the old TTFF so I can't be for it now. However... what is the purpose of a "Ministry of Sports"? Not to suggest that the Ministry exists as a private bank for sports in TnT, but certainly one of the purposes, in "promoting" sports or however they've termed their mission statement, is to ensure athletic opportunities for citizens, and whether they are doing a perfect, good or acceptable job, the TTFA works to further that same purpose. It therefore would make sense that there would be some form of government assistance. As for how we wean the TTFA off the government teat... clearly that answer lies in the TTFA becoming more self-sufficient by generating it's own revenue stream. That has to come from sponsorships, merchandizing etc. The TTFA bears a lot of responsibility in this regard, but it also takes two hands to clap, local businesses have to come on board as well.
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I will be in the minority here but I disagree with this move on the players' part. If you are going to boycott, do it before you show up. Thinking of the whole football program, not playing in the final can have a devastating effect on our national teams as it could affect all of our programs. Some would say it's greed (I wouldn't), some would stay strategy (I agree) but ultimately, if you playing football for T&T and don't understand the dynamics, you are joking. Everyone's eyes are wide shut apparently. This is why all of our teams will continually suffer. Playing for your country is not about money, it is about pride. Not saying you shouldn't get paid, everyone should, but if you are truly looking for money, play for yuh damn club and don't come. We will always be in a cat and mouse game. While I don't support the current administration, in reality the TTFA is a microcosm of our society in that all we do is depend on the gov't.
Madness. Alyuh want men to just show up and play. This is not Savannah football. This is how men make they living. Alyuh is jokers yes. Could never follow that logic that playing for country is about pride. That's part of it, a big part of it but yuh cyah have pride and be hungry.
They should just say they eh playing before the tourney so the TTFA can exploit a young player who trying to make it. That is the reason we will never reach no where, because of people who think like you in not understanding the modern game and how to be competitive in it.
Explain how the players depending on the government for a handout? The TTFA who "employ" them to come play. Is the TTFA they challenging, how doe that equal to a government dependency on the players part?
Men just want to see football and don't care about players.
And by the way, we have no National Football Programs, never had and apparently never will. We always had National team, but never programs.
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Repost.
The manager is en route to Jamaica with the players money. The TTFA and the minister of Finance sat down last night along with the minister of sports to come up with a plan top expedite the process so the players and staff will get their arrears before today's games.
The minister/s came through to bail out the FA.
So I was told.
How did the "minister/s" come through to 'bail' out the FA and it's the Minister's/Ministry's responsibility for the debt?
Does the minister/ministry hire the Head Coach? It is the TTFA's responsibility to ensure that their employee receive payment in a timely manner.
Yes the ministry pays the Head Coach, but who are his employers?
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Explain how the players depending on the government for a handout? The TTFA who "employ" them to come play. Is the TTFA they challenging, how doe that equal to a government dependency on the players part?
"The TTFA are not [their] "employers". I would love to see a contract of employment from the TTFA. When did negotiations take place between the players and the TTFA and who represented the players?" 8)
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Explain how the players depending on the government for a handout? The TTFA who "employ" them to come play. Is the TTFA they challenging, how doe that equal to a government dependency on the players part?
"The TTFA are not [their] "employers". I would love to see a contract of employment from the TTFA. When did negotiations take place between the players and the TTFA and who represented the players?" 8)
Ah glad yuh pick up on it, yuh wukking.
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Does the minister/ministry hire the Head Coach? It is the TTFA's responsibility to ensure that their employee receive payment in a timely manner.
Yes the ministry pays the Head Coach, but who are his employers?
The Ministry assumed responsibility for paying the salaries of the coaches about 18 months ago... so if money slow how is it the TTFA's fault? Ideally the TTFA wouldn't have to rely on the Ministry to pay salaries, but there's ideal and then there is reality. Reality is that a former government minister bleed the old TTFF dry and likely used some of that money to put the present government in power, so the present government has a moral obligation to help underwrite some of the operating costs/debts of the FA.
Ah glad yuh pick up on it, yuh wukking.
Me eh "pick up" on nothing... just pointing out how shifting yuh narrative does be when it suits yuh.
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I am glad it worked out.
Our WNT was in the same boat. With all that was going on, they were able to do well and make the playoff.. I have a feeling our MNT will overcome this adversity and show their resilience.
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Well Rowley will be happy to see the political bait he put out there has been gleefully snapped up. I'm not saying the MoS doesn't have a degree of culpability or not but the primary reason the state of football is in the mess its in is because of the TTFF/TTFA's lack of accountability, transparency and regulatory structure for donkey years now. Its with a high degree of hilarity that Rowley thinks he has the moral authority to comment on such matters, kettle calling pot black imo and politicizing the matter does absolutely nothing but take away from the deep and serious discussion needed around the state of our national football program. Imagine our men's team on the brink of winning a title and qualifying for a historic tournament and our women's team on the brink world cup history as well and people trying to gain political mileage.
I do not think Rowley has morality authority to comment on such. He has a right to to comment. (1) Freedom of speech. (2) Tax payers money involved. (3) Football became very political when a certain FIFA official join the PP. Rowley complained that the minister position in parliament was a conflict of interest. Seeing that FIFA forbade government intervention in football matters of a country, it would be extremely difficult to investigate a FIFA official(who also acted as PM when Madame PM went abroad).
Tim Kee is the PNM mayor of POS. You think all this bachannal with the men and women team is not about politics. You think they want Tim Kee to look good.
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A word of caution before the revisionists of history have their say.
Let it be written into the history records of T&T that:
Kenwyne Jones and his band of nashy foot soldiers, aided and abetted secretly by the devious hungry belly and recently-made-magga coach BraveHart and the dirty "f**kers" and instigators, like Lasana and other filth like him, made happen, without much help from a persuasive bunch of naysayers, one of the most historic massive payouts (on their terms and on their timeline demands) to footballers in the plantation of a place called Trinidad. This opened the door to a frightening wave of calls from more of the player savages in other sports and Caribbean plantation territories for justice, transparency and fairness. Scary times we were living in.
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Well Rowley will be happy to see the political bait he put out there has been gleefully snapped up. I'm not saying the MoS doesn't have a degree of culpability or not but the primary reason the state of football is in the mess its in is because of the TTFF/TTFA's lack of accountability, transparency and regulatory structure for donkey years now. Its with a high degree of hilarity that Rowley thinks he has the moral authority to comment on such matters, kettle calling pot black imo and politicizing the matter does absolutely nothing but take away from the deep and serious discussion needed around the state of our national football program. Imagine our men's team on the brink of winning a title and qualifying for a historic tournament and our women's team on the brink world cup history as well and people trying to gain political mileage.
Everything will be politicized if it will a govt look bad, especially if they are the source of the revenue. We have a welfare league and call it a pro-league. We have the same set of losers running it. Now if we had competent people running it maybe, just maybe, we would not be in the financial position that we are in today.
I hace stated before and will stand by it that our govts should not finance more than 5 sports. Football, Cricket, Track and field and Cycling. Every other sport should fend for itself. Imagine Manning gave so much money to Basketball, a sport that will never see us on the world stage, My heart goes out to netball but none of our girls will go on to earn a living from this sport. I say scrap it and develop the aforementioned 5 sports from primary to high school. IF this done we will develop more world beaters.
Add Boxing to your list as we have produced world class boxers in the past and that sport can save many of our youths from going down a criminal path in life.
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I find that it is very sad that you all picking certain sports for gov't funding. Leaving out netball and basketball is ridiculous dudes. Basketball is a popular sport in TT. Why leave it out? Netball? why? Is a girls sport? You cyah make a living playing them? Nah dudes!!!! Come better than that. All sports should be funded.
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I will be in the minority here but I disagree with this move on the players' part. If you are going to boycott, do it before you show up. Thinking of the whole football program, not playing in the final can have a devastating effect on our national teams as it could affect all of our programs. Some would say it's greed (I wouldn't), some would stay strategy (I agree) but ultimately, if you playing football for T&T and don't understand the dynamics, you are joking. Everyone's eyes are wide shut apparently. This is why all of our teams will continually suffer. Playing for your country is not about money, it is about pride. Not saying you shouldn't get paid, everyone should, but if you are truly looking for money, play for yuh damn club and don't come. We will always be in a cat and mouse game. While I don't support the current administration, in reality the TTFA is a microcosm of our society in that all we do is depend on the gov't.
Madness. Alyuh want men to just show up and play. This is not Savannah football. This is how men make they living. Alyuh is jokers yes. Could never follow that logic that playing for country is about pride. That's part of it, a big part of it but yuh cyah have pride and be hungry.
They should just say they eh playing before the tourney so the TTFA can exploit a young player who trying to make it. That is the reason we will never reach no where, because of people who think like you in not understanding the modern game and how to be competitive in it.
Explain how the players depending on the government for a handout? The TTFA who "employ" them to come play. Is the TTFA they challenging, how doe that equal to a government dependency on the players part?
Men just want to see football and don't care about players.
And by the way, we have no National Football Programs, never had and apparently never will. We always had National team, but never programs.
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Repost.
The manager is en route to Jamaica with the players money. The TTFA and the minister of Finance sat down last night along with the minister of sports to come up with a plan top expedite the process so the players and staff will get their arrears before today's games.
The minister/s came through to bail out the FA.
So I was told.
How did the "minister/s" come through to 'bail' out the FA and it's the Minister's/Ministry's responsibility for the debt?
Who say so?
The Min. gives a budget, it's up to the TTFA to work within that budget or source more funds. Are you trying to say that for years the MOS has been short changing the Fed. or just not giving them what they ask for due to a lack of transparency.
VB
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Forumites i just logged on and reading all these developing news surrounding our team potential overnight pullout of the tournament as it relates to the outstanding monies owed to them , well hear what, had they done so i would have supported them 100%.... I say so without any apologies.. what d f..!! How much more and how long the players and coaching staff were suppose to hold on to promses?? can anyone answer that? Should Tnt lose Stephen Hart as this country's national coach ....it will be a crying shame plain and simple .!! its is imperative this man be kept and be treated with dignity to continue his work with our men's program !!
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+1000 socalion
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As long as TTFA has to rely on the government for funds in order to maintain players, coaches and technical staff salaries this sort of headlines will continue to occur. I am concerned but not surprised that our football keeps suffering from the lack of consistent funds.
The group of guys we have now works hard, they may not be like the old teams but in their own way brings something different to our brand.
It's true what Jones said, "we have players fighting hard for spots and there is no guarantee" since this problem has been ongoing no plans are in place so this doesn't repeat itself.
It seems like the only way our athletes will get paid is to make a finals and boycott and every time the check is government issued..
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Who say so?
The Min. gives a budget, it's up to the TTFA to work within that budget or source more funds. Are you trying to say that for years the MOS has been short changing the Fed. or just not giving them what they ask for due to a lack of transparency.
VB
There are numerous reports in the local press available all over the internet:
3. Relationship between the TTFA and the Minister of Sport, his Ministry and Sportt.
In what has been one of its most trying seasons for funding, the TTFA didn’t receive much from corporate T&T, except for some assistance at the international games. Spanish sportwear manufacturer Joma came on board as the official kit suppliers but the biggest supporter was undoubtedly Minister of Sport Anil Roberts, his Ministry of Sport and Sportt, providing funding for overseas training camps for the senior team, under-20 and under-17 women’s teams, men’s youth teams and the beach football team. They also provided funding for payment of staff salaries and player allowances and match wages. Without their assistance, there might not have been much, if at all any international action for T&T in 2013. The commitment from the Sport Minister, his permanent secretary Ashwin Creed and Sportt chairman, Sebastien Paddington, must not go unnoticed.
http://www.guardian.co.tt/sport/2013-12-26/year-hart-balls-and-commitment
What good is a 'budget' without money? And I am not saying anything other than what I have actually stated.
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very sad day indeed. i believe tonight may be the last time we see this team in action together with the coach steve hart. i have been watching his body language and it's one of a man on the brink. i think after tonight hart will part ways with trinidad football. hope to god that he doesn't but by the looks of it we could see another few years of the same crap that was experienced with AJ. warner and co after the 2006world cup, so freaking sad.
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very sad day indeed. i believe tonight may be the last time we see this team in action together with the coach steve hart. i have been watching his body language and it's one of a man on the brink. i think after tonight hart will part ways with trinidad football. hope to god that he doesn't but by the looks of it we could see another few years of the same crap that was experienced with AJ. warner and co after the 2006world cup, so freaking sad.
If all debts owing to players and staff are payed today before the game with a promise to guarantee that all staff and players wages/salaries are paid on time in the future then I believe Hart will see it in his interest to continue his quest to take us into the Gold Cup next year for which we have qualified and then into World Cup qualification for 2018. I believe this current crop of players that we have together have the quality to do it.
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Announcement from SportsCompany Trinbago:
Government foots $9.9m Arrears Bill for Warriors
The Government of Trinidad and Tobago via a 13 November Cabinet decision, has agreed, through the Ministry of Sport, to provide financial assistance in the amount of $9,964,368.00 to the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA). The payment, which is expected to be processed today, will facilitate the clearing of a backlog of expenses related to the Senior Men’s National Team. These funds represent an unbudgeted addition to the annual subvention already allocated to the TTFA in the 2015 Budget.
The $9.964m is expected to cover the following:
Arrears of Match Fees and Bonuses for Senior Men's National Team and technical staff
Arrears of Stipends for Senior Men's National Team
Arrears of Salaries for five (5) members of Senior Men's National Team staff
Senior Men's National Team Participation in the 2015 Caribbean Cup Finals and associated Training Camps
Projected Remuneration for Senior Men's National Team technical staff for the period November 2014 – June 2015
In order to assure greater accountability and transparency, and to ease the financial burden faced by the entire team, this Cabinet-approved payment will be made directly to the players and technical staff. A similar arrangement was made when the Government allocated funding to settle the debt owed to members of the 2006 World Cup squad. Ministry of Sport officials are therefore working closely with technocrats from the Ministry of Finance to expedite the necessary procedures and protocols that will ensure the imminent release of monies to the players, technical team members and staff.
It should be noted that in the past two years, the TTFA has benefitted from several million dollars’ worth of support from the Government of Trinidad and Tobago through the Ministry of Sport and the Sports Company of Trinidad and Tobago. Further, the association benefits from rent-free office space at the Hasely Crawford Stadium, and pays no utility bills, as those expenses are covered under the stadium’s overall operational cost. The TTFA also enjoys free use of the Stadium for any and all TTFA-sanctioned games, tournaments and events.
The Ministry of Sport is and remains the single largest financial contributor to the TTFA and football in Trinidad and Tobago. Further, the Government of Trinidad and Tobago invests more state funds in sport per capita than any other country in the region
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The gov't gave their disclaimer in the last two paragraghs, they sound like they had enough of being the main financier for the TTFA.
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I am happy the team got paid. I am not happy with the timing, the guys need to be focused on the finals. The team need full concentration for 95 minutes. Jamaica is a well respected team, no matter which team gets into the Copa America I know they will make this region proud.
Good luck to both teams.
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The gov't gave their disclaimer in the last two paragraghs, they sound like they had enough of being the main financier for the TTFA.
To me this is a political statement saying out with TTFA (PNM) Tim Kee and money will flow from the UNC\PP government. Sad really cause I do think he means well but to be honest these posts should be independent of politics and politicians. Yet still, this and any government should not be playing politics with the livelihood of their countrymen and treating them with such contempt for cheap political points!!!
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It's clear enough. Rowley uses non payment of players to poke at PP. PP "rescue" players from Tim-Kee's "mismanagement"
Which is why, back in the day, the worry about Tim-Kee was his political connection.
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The gov't gave their disclaimer in the last two paragraghs, they sound like they had enough of being the main financier for the TTFA.
To me this is a political statement saying out with TTFA (PNM) Tim Kee and money will flow from the UNC\PP government. Sad really cause I do think he means well but to be honest these posts should be independent of politics and politicians. Yet still, this and any government should not be playing politics with the livelihood of their countrymen and treating them with such contempt for cheap political points!!!
I can see it from tht perspective as well but the mere fact the MOS highlighted it says something...
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Who say so?
The Min. gives a budget, it's up to the TTFA to work within that budget or source more funds. Are you trying to say that for years the MOS has been short changing the Fed. or just not giving them what they ask for due to a lack of transparency.
VB
There are numerous reports in the local press available all over the internet:
3. Relationship between the TTFA and the Minister of Sport, his Ministry and Sportt.
In what has been one of its most trying seasons for funding, the TTFA didn’t receive much from corporate T&T, except for some assistance at the international games. Spanish sportwear manufacturer Joma came on board as the official kit suppliers but the biggest supporter was undoubtedly Minister of Sport Anil Roberts, his Ministry of Sport and Sportt, providing funding for overseas training camps for the senior team, under-20 and under-17 women’s teams, men’s youth teams and the beach football team. They also provided funding for payment of staff salaries and player allowances and match wages. Without their assistance, there might not have been much, if at all any international action for T&T in 2013. The commitment from the Sport Minister, his permanent secretary Ashwin Creed and Sportt chairman, Sebastien Paddington, must not go unnoticed.
http://www.guardian.co.tt/sport/2013-12-26/year-hart-balls-and-commitment
What good is a 'budget' without money? And I am not saying anything other than what I have actually stated.
Apologies. Yuh right, I rememger Roberts saying that the MOS should pay Coaches directly to mitigate the lack of transparency.
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Soca Warriors to receive $$ owed
By Ian Prescott (Express)
NO PROTEST
There was never going to be a Soca Warriors boycott of the 2014 Caribbean Cup final over pay issues, similar to the action taken by the West Indies players on the recently-aborted tour of India.
Despite grouses within the Trinidad and Tobago national football team over outstanding wages owed to players, staff and coach Stephen Hart, who had not been paid for many months, Trinidad and Tobago took the field against Jamaica in the final last night.
Yesterday, in Jamaica around 7.30 a.m., assistant-coach Hutson Charles was asked to confirm whether the team was going to boycott the final in protest. Charles-- a soldier in the Trinidad and Tobago Defence Force-- was head coach when the Warriors took second place two years ago in Antigua and Barbuda, and is also one of the coaches owed several months salary by the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA).
“No,” Charles replied, when asked whether there was any truth to a report that the team was boycotting the final against hosts Jamaica in protest. “We are playing the final (last night) and the team is ready and rearing to go and win the game.”
Early yesterday, Sheldon Phillips, TTFA general secretary, added that William Wallace, one of two team managers, was already en route to Jamaica with money to pay players. Wallace, the team’s main manager, had remained in Trinidad sorting out the matter, while David Muhammad kept daily team duties.
“Players never broke camp and continued training,” Phillips said. “We knew the players and staff were near breaking point and as a result, we worked alongside Government to expedite the process and address the problem. This resulted in a $10 million cabinet note. Government has been very co-operative in getting the process to work as fast as possible.
“We have been working on this note for some time and wanted to ensure that he (Stephen Hart) was taken care of. He had been tremendous through this ordeal,’’ continued Phillips. “The Ministry (of Sport) note included his (Hart) pay as well. Everyone; coaches, players and staff, we made sure no one is left out.”
Phillips added that the TTFA had substantially reduced its debt since the current administration, headed by president Raymond Tim Kee, came into office two years ago. Initially, the TTFA was said to have been left a $25 million debt by its predecessors, but audited reports show it to be far greater.
The local governing body still owes several other national team coaches, along with former coach Russell Latapy and former women’s coach Even Pellerud.
“We will now work on other coaches and staff arrears built up over the years,” Phillips promised. “This is part of the process of chipping away the debt we met. We have now reduced the debt by close to $15 million.”
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Govt bails out TTFA again
By STEPHON NICHOLAS (NEWSDAY).
TRINIDAD AND Tobago’s proud footballing history continues to be kicked around the doghouse with the Ministry of Sport forced yet again to come to the rescue to avert another international embarrassment caused by the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA).
Less than two months after the debacle in Dallas, Texas, United States involving the national women’s team which was left hungry and with just US$500 to cover their expenses for their training camp, money woes with the men’s team almost resulted in a boycott of last night’s Caribbean Cup final.
On the eve of their all-important clash vs hosts Jamaica in Montego Bay in Jamaica, the Soca Warriors on Monday threatened to pullout after salaries of players and staff were left unpaid for over a year.
An angry Minister of Sport Dr Rupert Griffith yesterday gave the TTFA a second verbal tongue lashing after his Ministry had to step in with $9.9 million to cover the arrears incurred by the TTFA which enjoys free rent, utility and use of the Hasely Crawford Stadium in Mucurapo for any event or tournament.
Speaking yesterday morning, national captain Kenwyne Jones assured the public that his team would take the field but was adamant that drastic changes need to be made within the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA).
“For far too long the same generation of people leading the Football Association and I think now we should have fresh young minds, fresh footballing people in the federation and taking control of the running of it. We have a lot of ex-players recently retired and up-to-date on how football should be run in this country... We have too many dinosaurs in place at the moment and we’ve been repeating the same trends from 1975 to 2006,” he fumed.
The former Stoke City forward took several shots at the TTFA on his Facebook page yesterday, stating, “It’s funny how the threat of embarrassment changes situations...I think the officials of the TTFA need to be removed from their places...... If the job is too big step aside...We expect success and progression in our various genres of sports but why do the relevant bodies time and time again produce actions to undermine this?”
Jones warned that the TTFA must get its house in order as their coach Stephen Hart is not pleased with the situation and he hinted that if Hart is released, there is likely to be a player exodus following him out the door.
“The team after tonight is going to be at a standstill. A lot of people have decisions to make. I know the coach is going to have to think of his future because he doesn’t want to go through this situation again. He doesn’t want to commit to football in Trinidad and Tobago and this is the situation. We have a bond with the coach and been doing well under him. Ninety-nine percent of the players I don’t think are going to represent the country - even though we love the country so much - if the coach isn’t here,” he continued.
Minister of Sport Dr Griffith in an interview with Newsday yesterday explained that he did all he could to assist the situation.
“This nonsense has to stop...They brought a proposal to us for something that has been outstanding since 2012 and I went to Cabinet two Thursdays ago and the Cabinet approved $9.9 million to help the team. If a note is approved then one week after it is confirmed and only when it is confirmed you can access the money.
As you were aware we were in Tobago last week, Monday when I returned to Trinidad we pulled out all stops and put everything in place to release all the cheques for the players and the coach. When they return tomorrow night, I have arranged for the cheques to be delivered in their hands on Thursday at the Office of the Prime Minister.”
Despite Dr Griffith’s statement that the cheques will be disbursed on Thursday, TTFA president Raymond Tim Kee who flew to Jamaica yesterday to watch the final stated in a television interview that cheques were on its way to Jamaica yesterday morning.
“The manager of the team left Trinidad at six o’clock on his way to Jamaica and in his possession are several cheques for the players and staff,” he said.
Former Strike Squad player, Brian Williams, yesterday lamented that the Soca Warriors had to threaten to withdraw their services for their salaries to be paid.
“That is always a difficult situation when our athletes are in a position of such nature. I would always find it tough when you reach into tournaments to take such action. It is difficult when situations like this aren’t addressed before we go into competition.
A similar situation happened with the West Indies team in India but when the turnstiles are being moved and people making money off the athletes then athletes must be compensated equally. I don’t like the idea that if things don’t work out in front and you end up in the tournament and players want to withdraw that is difficult to deal with,” he commented.
Williams continued: “We live in a society where you have to block the road to get it paved. You have to take some kind of drastic action for redress to take place and I think that as a growing or mature society we should get out of that. We should have a common understanding, negotiations and contracts being honoured properly before we create embarrassment,” he concluded.
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As much as people want to grouse about Lasana's bias against the current TTFA regime, when you read these kind of statements in the press, it only presses home Lasana's suspicions.
Griffiths: I have arranged for the cheques to be delivered in their hands on Thursday at the Office of the Prime Minister.”
Tim-Kee: “The manager of the team left Trinidad at six o’clock on his way to Jamaica and in his possession are several cheques for the players and staff,”
Now, I'm fairly certain that the Manager did, indeed, carry some cheques to Jamaica. But clearly, not the ones that Griffiths was talking about.
Tim-Kee, perhaps in trying to diffuse the situation, maybe tried a little perception management. But when it comes out like this, it just looks like :bs: and chips away at his integrity.
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As much as people want to grouse about Lasana's bias against the current TTFA regime, when you read these kind of statements in the press, it only presses home Lasana's suspicions.
Griffiths: I have arranged for the cheques to be delivered in their hands on Thursday at the Office of the Prime Minister.”
Tim-Kee: “The manager of the team left Trinidad at six o’clock on his way to Jamaica and in his possession are several cheques for the players and staff,”
Now, I'm fairly certain that the Manager did, indeed, carry some cheques to Jamaica. But clearly, not the ones that Griffiths was talking about.
Tim-Kee, perhaps in trying to diffuse the situation, maybe tried a little perception management. But when it comes out like this, it just looks like :bs: and chips away at his integrity.
In a situation where you have conflicting statements you assume that the TTFA/Tim Kee are the ones who are providing misleading information? Well at least yuh not showing yuh bias, lol.
Consider that nearly two years ago Griffiths' Ministry, under his predecessor, undertook responsibility for payment of the coaches, yet the issue is still being misrepresented as the fault of the TTFA ("bails out", "emergency request")... nobody asking questions of the Ministry, despite it being their responsibility... or did that change one Anil left office? The note was passed in Parliament since November 6th, money was available to be accessed on November 13th... yet the Ministry was late disbursing the funds to the TTFA. The players ostensibly were informed of the situation as it developed, yet decided last-minute to protest and threaten to boycott the final (or did they? Since even that in question it seems). Kenwyne blast the TTFA as liars... even though is really the Ministry fault. Now after coming riding in like some starboy on a horse to save the day, Griffith decides to tongue-lash the TTFA to remind them of their place... as beggars. They want the players to come directly to the Ministry for the checks, as this presents yet another photo-op for the gov't to milk some PR from the situation. I'm sure this is yet another situation that will rear its head on the campaign trail next year. But is Tim Kee's credibility in question.
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As much as people want to grouse about Lasana's bias against the current TTFA regime, when you read these kind of statements in the press, it only presses home Lasana's suspicions.
Griffiths: I have arranged for the cheques to be delivered in their hands on Thursday at the Office of the Prime Minister.”
Tim-Kee: “The manager of the team left Trinidad at six o’clock on his way to Jamaica and in his possession are several cheques for the players and staff,”
Now, I'm fairly certain that the Manager did, indeed, carry some cheques to Jamaica. But clearly, not the ones that Griffiths was talking about.
Tim-Kee, perhaps in trying to diffuse the situation, maybe tried a little perception management. But when it comes out like this, it just looks like :bs: and chips away at his integrity.
Not that I'm defending him but it could easily be
Griffiths: Aye TK send dong Sheldon to colleck de check an dem nah
TK: arite cool.
TK: Shelly Griffiths jess call dey, so go an geh dem check an head up de road an handle dem boys fuh meh nah
SP: No scenes, I'm on it!
SP: Mr. Griffiths I am here for the checks.
Griffiths: Heh everyting in da envelope have ah safe flight.
SP communicates to TK ah have it and headin to Jamdong!
TK: Nice, lemme link Shaun to issue we statement that everything goin an geh sort!
Meanwhile Griffiths reportin bak to Kamla "yeah dem ass an dem take da chain up. Ah goin an call de guardian an tell dem we go hanlde delivery in yuh office on Thursday"
Kamla: So wait is what yuh give dem den?
Griffiths ah envelpe stuff with paper cut in check size
Both devils laugh hysterically like Hienas :rotfl:
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Not that I'm defending him but it could easily be
Griffiths: Aye TK send dong Sheldon to colleck de check an dem nah
TK: arite cool.
TK: Shelly Griffiths jess call dey, so go an geh dem check an head up de road an handle dem boys fuh meh nah
SP: No scenes, I'm on it!
SP: Mr. Griffiths I am here for the checks.
Griffiths: Heh everyting in da envelope have ah safe flight.
SP communicates to TK ah have it and headin to Jamdong!
TK: Nice, lemme link Shaun to issue we statement that everything goin an geh sort!
Meanwhile Griffiths reportin bak to Kamla "yeah dem ass an dem take da chain up. Ah goin an call de guardian an tell dem we go hanlde delivery in yuh office on Thursday"
Kamla: So wait is what yuh give dem den?
Griffiths ah envelpe stuff with paper cut in check size
Both devils laugh hysterically like Hienas :rotfl:
You have time with Football Supporter? These people so devious, I wouldn't put it past them to send the checks, then somebody 'buff Griffiths and say:
"You send de checks Jamaica?? Yuh dotish or what... how we suppose tuh call press conference and pose with de players and dem when you send de check and dem blasted Jamaica? Call dem and tell dem bring de check tuh de Ministry fuh de players tuh pick up here."
Not saying this is what happen... but it wouldn't surprise me. Not for a gov't which wasted billions of taxpayer dollars just so that they could embarrass the PNM over the OPV thing.
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As much as people want to grouse about Lasana's bias against the current TTFA regime, when you read these kind of statements in the press, it only presses home Lasana's suspicions.
Griffiths: I have arranged for the cheques to be delivered in their hands on Thursday at the Office of the Prime Minister.”
Tim-Kee: “The manager of the team left Trinidad at six o’clock on his way to Jamaica and in his possession are several cheques for the players and staff,”
Now, I'm fairly certain that the Manager did, indeed, carry some cheques to Jamaica. But clearly, not the ones that Griffiths was talking about.
Tim-Kee, perhaps in trying to diffuse the situation, maybe tried a little perception management. But when it comes out like this, it just looks like :bs: and chips away at his integrity.
You know the funny thing is, my source told me that the checks were enroute to Jamaica on Tuesday.
Now Griffiths is saying that the cheques will be delivered in their hands on Thursday at the Office of the Prime Minister.
I wonder who is lying?
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As much as people want to grouse about Lasana's bias against the current TTFA regime, when you read these kind of statements in the press, it only presses home Lasana's suspicions.
Griffiths: I have arranged for the cheques to be delivered in their hands on Thursday at the Office of the Prime Minister.”
Tim-Kee: “The manager of the team left Trinidad at six o’clock on his way to Jamaica and in his possession are several cheques for the players and staff,”
Now, I'm fairly certain that the Manager did, indeed, carry some cheques to Jamaica. But clearly, not the ones that Griffiths was talking about.
Tim-Kee, perhaps in trying to diffuse the situation, maybe tried a little perception management. But when it comes out like this, it just looks like :bs: and chips away at his integrity.
In a situation where you have conflicting statements you assume that the TTFA/Tim Kee are the ones who are providing misleading information? Well at least yuh not showing yuh bias, lol.
Consider that nearly two years ago Griffiths' Ministry, under his predecessor, undertook responsibility for payment of the coaches, yet the issue is still being misrepresented as the fault of the TTFA ("bails out", "emergency request")... nobody asking questions of the Ministry, despite it being their responsibility... or did that change one Anil left office? The note was passed in Parliament since November 6th, money was available to be accessed on November 13th... yet the Ministry was late disbursing the funds to the TTFA. The players ostensibly were informed of the situation as it developed, yet decided last-minute to protest and threaten to boycott the final (or did they? Since even that in question it seems). Kenwyne blast the TTFA as liars... even though is really the Ministry fault. Now after coming riding in like some starboy on a horse to save the day, Griffith decides to tongue-lash the TTFA to remind them of their place... as beggars. They want the players to come directly to the Ministry for the checks, as this presents yet another photo-op for the gov't to milk some PR from the situation. I'm sure this is yet another situation that will rear its head on the campaign trail next year. But is Tim Kee's credibility in question.
Just explain how my comment assumed that the TTFA/Tim Kee are the ones who are providing misleading information? I'm assuming that Griffiths will be presenting the cheques which, therefore seems to indicate that Tim-Kee was mistaken when he said that the cheques were on their way to Jamaica. Forget your bunker mentality for a minute. How can both statements be correct? My point was how these statements continue to cast some doubt over TTFA's integrity. It was not any kind of attack on Tim-Kee or TTFA, just stating my opinion that it appears as if Tim-Kee's comment was not 100% accurate. If there is another explanation, then let's have it. I understand that you are fighting TTFA's corner, but you have to have a little perspective. Again, both statements cannot be true, and seeing that Griffiths will be presenting cheques tomorrow, one would assume that Tim-Kee's statement was inaccurate.
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Just explain how my comment assumed that the TTFA/Tim Kee are the ones who are providing misleading information? I'm assuming that Griffiths will be presenting the cheques which, therefore seems to indicate that Tim-Kee was mistaken when he said that the cheques were on their way to Jamaica. Forget your bunker mentality for a minute. How can both statements be correct? My point was how these statements continue to cast some doubt over TTFA's integrity. It was not any kind of attack on Tim-Kee or TTFA, just stating my opinion that it appears as if Tim-Kee's comment was not 100% accurate. If there is another explanation, then let's have it. I understand that you are fighting TTFA's corner, but you have to have a little perspective. Again, both statements cannot be true, and seeing that Griffiths will be presenting cheques tomorrow, one would assume that Tim-Kee's statement was inaccurate.
Laughable.
Again... conflicting statements. You choose to assume that Griffiths' statement means that Tim Kee was mistaken/lying... calls into question his integrity... whatever you want to call it. Your statement was that this was vindication or validation of Lasana's slanted reporting against the TTFA.
"Bunker mentality"? Not at all... believe it or not, I have no skin in the game. I'm not part of the TTFA nor do I have anything to benefit or lose one way or another. I see people giving honest effort and being called "crooks," "thieves," "corrupt," etc. I see their every action scrutinized and cast in a negative light and it doesn't sit right with me. I'm not some bleeding heart, but fair is fair. Coupled with the antagonistic stance taken by the PP gov't at times, it makes it difficult for the TTFA to do anything, and the real victim in all of this is not the individuals being smeared, but our football programs. It is the football programs being made to suffer when businesses decline to invest in the TTFA. Yes, I know... "well if only the TTFA would clean up their act...", yet whenever they try their efforts are being called into question... just like you are doing now, by raising your :bs: flag and saying that Tim Kee's actions "chips away at his integrity" when you don't know the first thing about what went on. There could be a number of reasons why the statements are in conflict, including a lack of honesty by the Ministry... yet your default position is that Tim Kee is the one whose spouting :bs: and whose intregrity is called into question. Yet you seem genuinely puzzled as to why I accuse you of assuming things not in fact. Like I said... laughable.
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Just explain how my comment assumed that the TTFA/Tim Kee are the ones who are providing misleading information? I'm assuming that Griffiths will be presenting the cheques which, therefore seems to indicate that Tim-Kee was mistaken when he said that the cheques were on their way to Jamaica. Forget your bunker mentality for a minute. How can both statements be correct? My point was how these statements continue to cast some doubt over TTFA's integrity. It was not any kind of attack on Tim-Kee or TTFA, just stating my opinion that it appears as if Tim-Kee's comment was not 100% accurate. If there is another explanation, then let's have it. I understand that you are fighting TTFA's corner, but you have to have a little perspective. Again, both statements cannot be true, and seeing that Griffiths will be presenting cheques tomorrow, one would assume that Tim-Kee's statement was inaccurate.
Laughable.
Again... conflicting statements. You choose to assume that Griffiths' statement means that Tim Kee was mistaken/lying... calls into question his integrity... whatever you want to call it. Your statement was that this was vindication or validation of Lasana's slanted reporting against the TTFA.
"Bunker mentality"? Not at all... believe it or not, I have no skin in the game. I'm not part of the TTFA nor do I have anything to benefit or lose one way or another. I see people giving honest effort and being called "crooks," "thieves," "corrupt," etc. I see their every action scrutinized and cast in a negative light and it doesn't sit right with me. I'm not some bleeding heart, but fair is fair. Coupled with the antagonistic stance taken by the PP gov't at times, it makes it difficult for the TTFA to do anything, and the real victim in all of this is not the individuals being smeared, but our football programs. It is the football programs being made to suffer when businesses decline to invest in the TTFA. Yes, I know... "well if only the TTFA would clean up their act...", yet whenever they try their efforts are being called into question... just like you are doing now, by raising your :bs: flag and saying that Tim Kee's actions "chips away at his integrity" when you don't know the first thing about what went on. There could be a number of reasons why the statements are in conflict, including a lack of honesty by the Ministry... yet your default position is that Tim Kee is the one whose spouting :bs: and whose intregrity is called into question. Yet you seem genuinely puzzled as to why I accuse you of assuming things not in fact. Like I said... laughable.
Again, it's how you choose to interpret comments, my friend. My intention was to merely point out why those with an axe to grind find plenty of ammunition. Not knowing Tim-Kee's reasoning for his comments, I simply pointed out that it may appear that he tried to take some of the heat out of the situation by saying that TTFA had it all under control. Sadly, Griffiths comments (perhaps purposely) indicated otherwise.
I fully agree that the political undercurrents are damaging T&T football, but I cannot be over sympathetic and Tim-Kee must have been aware of the ramifications when he opted to stand as Mayor of Port of Spain and PNM Treasurer. Right or wrong, in T&T it appears that you cannot be the best man for the job unless you are closely associated with the government. Or put in a simpler context :You're either with us or against us"
I may not know everything that happened concerning this recent dispute, but I know a hell of a lot as I witnessed it in real time.
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Govt pays Soca Warriors
T&T Express Reports.
The Trinidad and Tobago Men’s senior football team, including the technical staff were handed cheques for outstanding salaries and fees to the value of an estimated $10 million yesterday at the Office of the Prime Minister at St Clair Avenue.
It was the delivery of a promise the Government made to defray those expense on the eve of the Caribbean Cup final between T&T and Jamaica when the players threatened to boycott the match in Montego Bay, Jamaica.
T&T eventually lost 4-3 on kicks from the penalty mark.
Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar presided over the cheque distribution to the players and staff that included T&T captain Kenwyne Jones and head coach Stephen Hart , who had gone unpaid for over eight months.
“I am very happy to make this contribution towards your expenses, (that is) duly deserved and well earned. Regrettably, it has come after the fact, however I had asked the Minister (of Sport Dr Rupert Griffith) to approve these monies several weeks ago, but given the way the accounting system works, it took some time to process and have the cheques ready ,” said Persad-Bissessar, who interrupted her Cabinet meeting to take part in the distribution.
She added: “I want to congratulate all of you, your captain and your team and your coaches of course for keeping the red, white and black flying high and for making us very,very proud.”
Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) general secretary Sheldon Phillips said the Government’s investment had paid off with the men’s and women’s teams returning to the world top 50 ranking and the youth teams advancing in their tournaments.
Phillips also looked forward to recreating the oneness and commonness of purpose reminiscent of the Road to Italy 1990 campaign for the December 2 Women’s World Cup qualifying match between T&T and Ecuador at the Hasely Crawford Stadium.
Meanwhile, captain Kenwyne Jones thanked the Prime Minister and her government for “stepping in and taking care of the situation.
“It has been a tremendous relief to the players , the technical staff and the coaches,” said Jones, who had signalled the Soca Warriors’ intent to forego the CFU final Tuesday. “We hope this investment would propel us to perform to the best of our abilities.”
Jones also thanked former Soca Warrior Brent Sancho for his role as an intermediary in facilitating the settlement of the debt.
Minister of Sport Rupert Griffith said: “We are glad that we could be involved with your success with the way forward..We are looking forward to the Gold Cup and we know you all will continue to do us very proud.”
Players and staff who received cheques yesterday:
Kenwyne Jones, Alvin Jones, Andre Boucaud, Ataullah Guerra, Aubrey David, Carlyle Mitchell, Cordelle Cato, Daneil Cyrus, Hughtun Hector, Jamal Gay, Jan-Michael Williams, Joevin Jones, Kevan George, Kevin Molino, Khaleem Hyland, Lester Peltier, Leston Paul, Marvin Phillip, Yohance Marshall, Adrian Foncette, Shahdon Winchester.
Staff:
Stephen Hart, Derek King, Hutson Charles, Michael Maurice, Peter Rampersad, Sean Fuentes, William Wallace.
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Govt clears TTFA player, staff debts.
By Andrew Gioannetti (Guardian).
Twenty-eight players, technical staff and management officials yesterday received their arrears of match fees, bonuses, stipends and salaries, some of which were owed for over two years for their respective roles with the senior national men’s football team.
Minister of Sport Dr Rupert Griffith, in the presence of Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar and T&T Football Association (TTFA) general secretary Sheldon Phillips, presented cheques of varying figures to the national team representatives at the Office of the Prime Minister, St Clair, a week after a decision was made in Cabinet to approve financial assistance in the sum of $9,964,368 to the TTFA.
Yesterday’s presentation took place two days after the “Soca Warriors” finished runner-up to host Jamaica, at the CFU Caribbean Cup in Montego Bay.
According to the Ministry of Sport, the funds represent an unbudgeted addition to the annual subvention already allocated to the TTFA in the 2015 budget.
Just over half of the figure has been used to pay players and staff, while the balance is to invest in the men’s and women’s teams’ flagship programmes.
Before handing over the cheques, Griffith gave a breakdown of the total figure, which he said includes arrears of match fees and bonuses to staff and players at $2,024,613; arrears of staff stipends (October to November, 2012 and January to July, 2013) at $534,867; arrears of salaries for five members of staff from April to July 2012 at $422,000; projected technical staff remuneration between November, 2014, to June, 2015 at $3,104,000, and participation in the 2015 Concacaf Championship and a preceding training camp at $3,878,888.
On Monday, national team captain Kenwyne Jones raised the issue of nonpayment, saying he was “fed up” of broken promises in regard to payments to the players and coaches. Yesterday, he addressed the media saying he appreciated the effort of the government “for stepping in and taking care of the situation.”
“I know it’s a tremendous relief to the coach and the technical staff and the players. And, of course, it’s a relief for T&T. Hopefully, the investment will propel us to perform to the best of our abilities as we have been doing and hopefully, we can achieve the our goals we have set forward as a team,” Jones said.
Along with Jones, 20 national team players were present to receive their dues. They included, Alvin Jones, Andre Boucaud, Ataulla Guerra, Aubrey David, Carlyle Mitchell, Cordell Cato, Daneil Cyrus, Hughtun Hector, Jamal Gay, Jan Michael Williams, Joevin Jones, Kevan George, Kevin Molino, Lester Peltier, Leston Paul, Marvin Phillip, Yohance Marshall, Adrian Foncette and Shahdon Winchester. Several overseas-based players including Khaleem Hyland, Justin Hoyte and Gavin Hoyte were unavailable to receive their payments.
The technical and management staff who also received payment yesterday were Stephen Hart, Derek King, Michael Maurice, Hutson Charles, Michael Williams, Peter Rampersad, William Wallace and Shaun Fuentes.
Sheldon Phillips, TTFA secretary, thanked government for “its continued commitment to football” and assisting the TTFA in its efforts “to move T&T football forward from the lows experienced by the then TTFF in 2011.”
He said: “Under the assistance of the Ministry of Sport and the Sports Company and our own efforts, in one year our teams are thriving once again. Both the men and women’s teams are in back the top 50 in Fifa rankings and the youth teams have advanced to the Concacaf Championship tournaments.
“Madam Prime Minister, your administration’s investment in football is paying off and will continue to yield excellent results under the partnership the TTFA has created with the Ministry of Sport and Dr Griffith.”
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How Kamla reach in this?
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I hope those who said that Sheldon and Tim Kee take credit for the success of the team. Read what he said about the ministry of sport and the Sportt. He gave them their due credit.
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How Kamla reach in this?
She is the gov't!!!
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Govt pays Soca Warriors
T&T Express Reports.
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Jones also thanked former Soca Warrior Brent Sancho for his role as an intermediary in facilitating the settlement of the debt.
All of a sudden Football Supporter's comments criticizing Tim Kee are starting to come sharply into focus 8)
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Govt pays Soca Warriors
T&T Express Reports.
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Jones also thanked former Soca Warrior Brent Sancho for his role as an intermediary in facilitating the settlement of the debt.
All of a sudden Football Supporter's comments criticizing Tim Kee are starting to come sharply into focus 8)
Explain?
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If hart expect to get paid for this work he must be stupid or dotish. When was the last time a coach was paid on time and regular for the ttff payment for this job is a week in Jamaica and a pass to go and watch football free you also get to boost your resume. That is the payment Money is not part of the equation.
Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results
Thankfully, someone has done it! Yuh comments are coming from the right place, but they are somewhat insensitive. We should be grateful that SH has endured and toiled through this because the benefit to the NT, and by extension the fans has been evident. Moreover, if yuh consider that player selection has been transparent and fairly even, and engaging by including some who otherwise wouldn't see the light of day, I say dahis even more value delivered. On top of all that, I'm entirely happy that it is being delivered by a T&T coach.
Fabio Capello on paper is de highest paid coach in international ball. He eh get paid neither ... he chupid too? There's no doubt that in that situation yuh make a calculus as to professional life beyond the situation.
Both men will get dey money.
Capello gets overdue pay from Russia, departure unclear
EFE
Moscow, Jun 24 (EFE).- Russia's national soccer team coach Fabio Capello received all his back pay from Russian soccer union RFS, and will continue for the time being to lead the national team, according to RFS acting president Nikita Simonyan.
Simonyan pointed out that the Italian coach has not been dismissed, but that negotiations were underway to either extend or terminate his contract on mutual agreement.
The acting president held his predecessor, Nikolai Tolstykh, responsible for imposing a high compensation penalty upon termination of the Italian coach's contract, as some reports put it as high as $25 million.
Simonyan added that the next contract with the coming national team coach would include no compensation clause in the event the coach does not meet the desired objectives.
Simonyan praised the Italian coach, recounting how upon his arrival to Russia , Capello started to watch and monitor the championship games and eventually moved into an apartment with his assistant, unlike his predecessors who opted to live in hotels.
Russia's recent 1-0 defeat against Austria in Group G of the Europe 2016 qualifiers made it highly difficult for the Russian team to qualify, and difficult to respond to criticism against the Italian coach.