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Sancho tackles TTFA: Tim Kee must use gate receipts to pay players
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868)
Sport Minister Brent Sancho has made his opening gambit in the Government’s new relationship with the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) by setting the football body an ultimatum in presenting its accounts for inspection as well as taking a more hands-on approach in State-funded international matches.
The most immediate test of the fledgling relationship will come on Friday March 27 when the Senior National Men’s team host Panama at the Hasely Crawford Stadium in Port of Spain.
The Sport Ministry has agreed to fund the international warm-up game, which is part of the team’s 2015 Gold Cup preparations. But there is a catch.
Sancho wants the TTFA to agree to a double-header that gives the Senior National Women’s Team an opportunity to be involved as well. And the Sport Ministry wants the football body to agree to give 50 percent of gate receipts to players and staff for match fees and stipends.
Sancho, who started all three games for Trinidad and Tobago at the Germany 2006 World Cup, told Wired868 that he was concerned about the stagnation of the “Women Warriors” who were just minutes away from a historic Canada 2015 World Cup place before a 1-0 FIFA Play Off defeat to Ecuador last December.
“I think it is a travesty to know that these girls have not kicked a ball since the Ecuador game,” said Sancho. “Some of these girls can play in the next World Cup (campaign) because of their age; and it will be a travesty if we wait until another Ecuador game to start funding this team.
“They are not training and there is no program is existence. We want to assist.”
The fledgling Sport Minister said his body will look through the list of nations that have sporting memorandum of understandings with Trinidad and Tobago and then attempt to negotiate through the relevant State bodies to get the W/Warriors a sparring partner.
Sancho said the TTFA, once it agrees, will be party to the talks. At present, the women’s friendly is described as “tentative” due to the logistics of the affair.
More eye opening is Sancho’s plan to launch a three-month long women’s professional league, which will be run by the Ministry of Sport and should kick off in May 2015.
The Sport Minister did not reveal the proposed cost for the project, which would merge with the current Women’s League Football (WOLF), or a minimum wage for players. But he estimated that it would cost between TT$500,000 to TT$700,000 a year to run a “franchise”, which is inclusive of salaries, running costs and promotions.
Unsurprisingly, there are doubts within the women’s football fraternity about the feasibility of starting a professional league in less than four months.
And the TTFA may be even less enthused with the Sport Ministry’s new insistence that it be shown match contracts for games that it subsidises. Sancho also wants the Ministry to be part of a joint operation at the gates for matches and retain half of the football body’s revenue to pay the “Soca Warriors” players and coaches.
In June 2014, the Government spent $2.1 million for an international friendly between the “Soca Warriors” and Argentina in Buenos Aires. However, at least $400,000 of taxpayers’ dollars vanished under a still unexplained line item called a “TTFA licensing fee.”
TTFA marketing officer Darren Millien was accused of improperly diverting the money although the matter is now supposedly under investigation.
And, in December 2014, the Government dipped into the Treasury again to pay the national footballers for owed match fees, which included payments for their South American tour.
Sancho believes his new proposal would help to avoid a repeat of such scandals and situations where taxpayers fund international games and pay players while the football body keeps all the profit.
“Match contracts will have to be part and parcel of our agreements,” Sancho told Wired868. “We are mindful of the fact that we are spending lots of taxpayers dollars and we have to account for it…
“We are looking into the possibility of gate sharing where half of the gates will go back to players’ stipends and coaches’ stipends and players’ match fees and coaches’ match fees.
“They haven’t said they accept it yet but it is a sponsorship agreement and this is what we want.”
The Sport Ministry and TTFA should meet again on Friday March 6 to discuss this and other relevant matters.
Notably, the gate receipts eyed by the Sport Ministry will be used to pay current players and coaches but not past ones. Sancho, who wants a joint operations between the two bodies at the gates for matches subsidised by the Government, said the TTFA must pay its own debts.
“We have heard from (TTFA general secretary Sheldon) Phillips that they have plans to come out from their debt and move things forward,” said Sancho. “We would like to see those plans (but) it is something that lies with the TTFA and they will have to figure out how to pay their debts.
“And it is not just them, there are other sporting organisations that seem to rack up debts. As the old folks say, they seem to have champagne taste with beer money and they have to stop these high living lifestyles and come to reality.
“That is the response I am looking for from organisations. They have to now live in reality and not try to live way beyond their means.”
The irony is that Sancho is one of 13 World Cup 2006 players who benefited from Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar’s decision to underwrite a TTFA debt to them in June 2014. The Government payment was made without prejudice to the 2006 Warriors’ case against the TTFA, which, arguably, allows the players to go on with their lawsuit against the football body.
“I have taken up a post to represent the people of Trinidad and Tobago,” said Sancho, “so I have to respect that post and recuse myself from being part and parcel of anything to do with the (2006 World Cup bonus) case.”
TTFA president Raymond Tim Kee, who is also the Port of Spain Mayor and PNM Treasurer, was a senior vice-president before, during and after the 2006 World Cup and openly derided Sancho’s stance on the dispute in the past.
Sancho admitted that the two have not met since he became Sport Minister but insisted it has not affected his relationship with the football body.
“I have met (TTFA officials) Sheldon Phillips and William Wallace but not Tim Kee,” said the Sport Minister. “He must be a busy man… I have met all the (sporting) presidents except Raymond Tim Kee but I’ve been most generous with football.
“We are working feverishly to get them that parcel of land so they can get their Goal project and we are also assisting them with both their World Cup and Cup (preparations).”
Sancho told Wired868 that he gave the TTFA a March deadline to present its accounts to the Ministry of Sport so the Government can understand the financial health of a body that essentially survives on State funds.
“We want to see their full detailed accounts,” said Sancho, “and we are aware of the funding given to them by FIFA and maybe Concacaf as well. So we expect to see that as a line item in their accounts and we want to know what they have planned for it.
“We are not going to tell them how to spend their money. That’s for sure. That is not my business. But as long as they show a certain amount of transparency and accountability, like every other sporting organisation, they will have no problem with me.”
But, due to his role in a legal financial matter against the TTFA, did Sancho feel—despite his vow to recuse himself—there was a potential conflict of interest in his access to the football body’s accounting books?
“I won’t say it is a conflict of interest,” said Sancho. “I think it just gives me a better understanding, than any other Sport Minister who sat in this chair, of accounts and financing as it relates to football because obviously that is the sport that I have come from.
“The reason we are asking for the accounts is because it is part of of our policy for all sporting bodies. So I have an obligation to the Ministry and the general public to do my job. I won’t be passing information on to anybody but I am not going to hand out funds without disclosure.”
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Sancho tackles TTFA: Tim Kee must use gate receipts to pay players
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868)
Sancho wants the TTFA to agree to a double-header that gives the Senior National Women’s Team an opportunity to be involved as well. And the Sport Ministry wants the football body to agree to give 50 percent of gate receipts to players and staff for match fees and stipends.
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The fledgling Sport Minister said his body will look through the list of nations that have sporting memorandum of understandings with Trinidad and Tobago and then attempt to negotiate through the relevant State bodies to get the W/Warriors a sparring partner.
Sancho said the TTFA, once it agrees, will be party to the talks. At present, the women’s friendly is described as “tentative” due to the logistics of the affair.
This is nonsense, at this rate the TTFA might as well continue on they course and ride this one out until after elections. Everybody knows that the TTFA is in debt or trying to come out of debt, but Sancho want them to agree to give up half the gate to players? The TTFA needs to negotiate match fees with the players and pay that match fee, end of talk. This proposal is foolhardy for a number of reasons, not the least of which being:
a) If the match is well-attended the TTFA stands to lose revenue to over-payment, revenue which otherwise could be earmarked for development projects.
b) If the match is poorly-attended, the players/staff stand to receive fees which they might be unhappy with.
And then this bit about Sancho and the Ministry negotiating friendlies for the TTFA... and if the TTFA cooperate they "might" be invited to be part of the discussions. The TTFA would be fools to agree to anything like that, clearly they don't need any help negotiating competition for the national teams, the issue is finding money to host matches or to otherwise arrange camps around the friendlies and transport to the host countries etc.
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Like Sancho having a problem knowing the difference between being a union leader and being a minister
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Individuals in the professional league ..... can they continue
their education on scholarship abroad?
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What wrong with this? All yuh doh hv money to pay players. ..well pay from gate fees...problem solved. ..I don't see nothing wrong with that...nobody eh eating all De food one time...This is a step in the right direction until better can be done!
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Individuals in the professional league ..... can they continue
their education on scholarship abroad?
Not in USA. They can not have played professionally if they want scholarships.
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Thank God for Sancho we.
And he get the women team a game also or else de TTFA would just forget about them.
Good going, to much unaccountablity with the TTFA, they silent on how much they does make but quick to say who they pay.
De onlly thing is, no one goes to the games and de TTFA need gates to survive cause they have no other stuff going for them, they cant think outside the box.
So 50% of de gates will go to players and staff, that is a added bonus or towards their match fee?
Why about food, airline ticket, training cones and equimwents (I hear de TTFA dont have any) and hotel and refershments.. etc etc?
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Again that is not de role of de minister and Sancho very well know the ministry's direct involvement can lead to a FIFA ban. The question is not if this is good, it is if he can place a demand on the TTFA like that.
I like some of de ideas but this is not an advise, this is a demand. let's see what happens.
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While Brent may have good intentions, he slide tackling in tee-mah-wee. like Royal correctly pointed out, demanding that the TTFA do things his way will run into a roadblock with FIFA. This thing about gate-receipt is a double edge sword. In the days of Latapy and York, Shaka and Stern, that would be a good idea. The stadium used to be full. That will work if we consistently have a full stadium. The turn out for the women's team was great. But that was a special occasion. These days the crowds are very poor.
If he was to sit down with TTFA, and work out some kind of strategy to bring back the crowds for football games, I will go with that. What if just 500 show up for a game. 50 dollars for each player? As Brent has been in the direct line of fire with the past TTFF, he don't trust this current TTFA that is run by Tim Kee. Plus Tim Kee is PNM and he is now UNC/PP. So allyuh figure it out from here.
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Interesting. You know what Sancho? You damn right. Don't give them any friggin funding unless they have a solid and viable plan to support themselves. Like meh uncle use to say "free paper bun". F%&k that.
President toontoon, what's the 411?
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is there a ruling in FIFA that will stop a government from helping the national team in getting friendlies for them?
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is there a ruling in FIFA that will stop a government from helping the national team in getting friendlies for them?
Fifa has no problem with the govt dishing out the money for stadiums, WC, etc. But will not condone that they or their affiliates do what the govt wants. That is how they work. Now Brent can sit with Tim and work some kind of plan for football. As long as the government or minister Sancho not forcing them to do things the govt way. Friendlies or WC, it don't matter.
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is there a ruling in FIFA that will stop a government from helping the national team in getting friendlies for them?
This isn't help, this is an ultimatum. FIFA Statutes, Article 13, Paragraph 1(i); and Article 17, Paragraph 1. It would seem the Honorable Minister is once again forgetting which goal he is supposed to be kicking into. I suggest he and his advisor familiarize themselves with the FIFA regulations. It's something they failed to do in their capacity at Central and apparently they've yet to do so in this new ministerial capacity as well.
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Yeah some of this sounding shaky
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Sancho give them a reason to make sure the HCS is maxed and all will be well
Time is now for ttfa to gut up so they can stand up
Sancho sure grinding that big axe :devil:
There comes a time and that time is now
Lay it on those who want authority but avoid responsibility
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And he has begun making his move lol.
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And he has begun making his move lol.
Or could be that Brent move is to pressure TTFA in such a way that they will resign. No businesses or very are giving them the kind of money they need, and the govt is the last resort. Right now the govt, by extension Sancho, has the upper hand. And as WC draws closer, the pressure will be on TTFA. So if they can't get the money from private sponsors, then what. They will be called on to exit. And then people from the private sector who are aligned with Brent can now vie for TTFA positions.
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And he has begun making his move lol.
Or could be that Brent move is to pressure TTFA in such a way that they will resign. No businesses or very are giving them the kind of money they need, and the govt is the last resort. Right now the govt, by extension Sancho, has the upper hand. And as WC draws closer, the pressure will be on TTFA. So if they can't get the money from private sponsors, then what. They will be called on to exit. And then people from the private sector who are aligned with Brent can now vie for TTFA positions.
It doh matter what the angle is, he moving towards getting this regime out and trying to take over. As pointed out by Bakes that gate receipts idea is dumb. We struggling with attendance in the worst way so this is likely to yield virtually nothing for the players.
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I agree, gate receipts idea will not work.
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Ask The Hon. Minister... or his advisor, how much money Central FC made over the last 3 years, from gate receipts. Ask him/them... how co-opting the role of negotiator and scheduler of international games... how that is not "government interference." It would seem that this proposal is either a very naive move by The Hon. Minister, or a very deliberate move on his part, to bring about the suspension of the TTFA from FIFA.
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If govermental influence is required,which will allow us the fans to sing a happy song,then let it be,the blues is great but these times require. a different style,soca being my choice for this very moment
Sometimes you have to be pushed to seek one's own best intrest
Give the minister some preps,we know,ttfa knows and the minister knows it cannot be business as usual,so stop sitting on your hands,lets knock some great ideas around and try to effect some positive change
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Ask Tim Kee how many facilities has his org built,then of those how many does his org maintain. ...
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Sorry Sancho but that gate receipts ploy is utter rubbish!
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Give the minister some preps,we know,ttfa knows and the minister knows it cannot be business as usual,so stop sitting on your hands,lets knock some great ideas around and try to effect some positive change
As much as I want Brent to take an active part in sports and our beloved footie, lets us hope power don't go to his head and he frig-up the association relationship with FIFA. The stain of Jack Warner still on we like abeer around Pagwah. We don't have the "special advisor" with the FIFA ATM running things. We had enough ministers and football administrators using their mouth as cannons to intimidate. Cannons with talcum powder. Is either he sit down with Tim Kee and come to an amicable agreement for the next couple months before elections. Because when elections in full swing next year, football will really be kick around. 2018 WC qualifying starts.
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Alyuh fella great yes. Complain about a lack of accountability and when people make moves to bring about some type of accountability alyuh start crying. WTF alyuh really want.
What just let Sancho open the Mins. Purse and say Phillips and Tim Kee come play alyuh self? Get real fellas.
How simple is this. Sancho is looking out for players and coaches, but Bakes won't see that. All he will see is Sancho trying to be vindictive to the FA and by extension he buddy.
This is how this could work;
You want money from us to undertake venture these are our stipulations:
1) Agree to give 50 percent of gate receipts to players and staff for match fees and stipends.
2) Match contracts will have to be part and parcel of our agreements
So how can this work work;
1) Accept the Ministry help by agreeing to the stipulations
- This will cause two things to happen, accountability for monies and YOU WILL NOT OWE ANY COACHES OR PLAYERS.
- You agree and the gate does not make money to pay the players and coaches, then you cannot pay them from gate receipts. How simple is that. To jump out with the gate does not make enough money show a lack of wanting to cooperate. You want what you wat and that's how you want it without any oversight.
2) Tell the Ministry to suck it, and handle yuh own business like people who are qualified to run an International Organization.
I really cannot see the problem here. It's a step towards accountability and self-governance. How log Phillips and Tim Kee in charge and nothing eh change, nothing. Look the U17s playing and we cannot get a video, but the communications director of the TTFA advertising for Stern John Academy. HTF does that work. Thank God for AMWood we get an interview with the head coach before the team leave.
But Sancho is the arsehole.
Fellas get serious and grow up.
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We hear about the money listed below as stated in this thread (http://thread)?
Made
2013 OSN Cup?
Argentina Match?
Iran Match?
TV rights?
2013 Gold Cup participation?
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Alyuh fella great yes. Complain about a lack of accountability and when people make moves to bring about some type of accountability alyuh start crying. WTF alyuh really want.
What just let Sancho open the Mins. Purse and say Phillips and Tim Kee come play alyuh self? Get real fellas.
How simple is this. Sancho is looking out for players and coaches, but Bakes won't see that. All he will see is Sancho trying to be vindictive to the FA and by extension he buddy.
This is how this could work;
You want money from us to undertake venture these are our stipulations:
1) Agree to give 50 percent of gate receipts to players and staff for match fees and stipends.
2) Match contracts will have to be part and parcel of our agreements
So how can this work work;
1) Accept the Ministry help by agreeing to the stipulations
- This will cause two things to happen, accountability for monies and YOU WILL NOT OWE ANY COACHES OR PLAYERS.
- You agree and the gate does not make money to pay the players and coaches, then you cannot pay them from gate receipts. How simple is that. To jump out with the gate does not make enough money show a lack of wanting to cooperate. You want what you wat and that's how you want it without any oversight.
2) Tell the Ministry to suck it, and handle yuh own business like people who are qualified to run an International Organization.
I really cannot see the problem here. It's a step towards accountability and self-governance. How log Phillips and Tim Kee in charge and nothing eh change, nothing. Look the U17s playing and we cannot get a video, but the communications director of the TTFA advertising for Stern John Academy. HTF does that work. Thank God for AMWood we get an interview with the head coach before the team leave.
But Sancho is the arsehole.
Fellas get serious and grow up.
Your head so far up yuh own ass that yuh can't make sense from nonsense. You trying to insist that this is something personal with me and the imaginary "buddy" yuh assign mih. Unlike you, I have ALWAYS provided substantiation for my position and concerns, and none of my concerns have to do with anything personal or with any 'buddy.' I have no skin in this so however it play out won't make a difference to me in the end. The fact of the matter is that FIFA is very clear about government interference in football, and while the Ministry is free to dictate whatever terms it wants as a condition of offering financial support, it cannot offer the TTFA a poisoned pill and expect them to agree to it.
The gates receipt talk is nonsense... end of story. Attendance at local football matchs mirror the lack of support for the national programs. This is not about accountability, because at this point Sancho is well aware that the TTFA is willing to show him the financial reports from the last several years, where he will see for himself that the FA has lost money on each of the last 3-4 friendlies it hosted. The financial outlay associated with bringing a team, hosting them, providing security, marketing etc.... none of that can be recouped solely from gate receipts. If he has some kind of idea for increasing attendance (something which he failed to do at his own club) then let him offer it, but as it stands this idea is fanciful foolishness. Even worse is your solution that the FA should both offer a match fee and guarantee 50% of the gate. On which planet? And then people like you self will run around and complain about how no money is being spent on development or youth programs.
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From my knowledge of what happened.
1) The TTFA booked the Panama game and THEN asked for support.
2) The TTFA want the game played at Hasely Crawford but didn't check it's availability as it is booked for the Falcon Games on that date.
3) The TTFA have not secured a game for the women or even keep them in some kind of training regime. I speak with the ladies almost daily.
4) When the women played Ecuador it was probably the best attended international since 2005
5) I was told by my source that Sancho had met with the Colombian Ambassador and they agreed to try to work together in sport. As Colombia needs games before the women's world cup, it seemed a good idea to see if Colombia could play. The official invite would need to come from TTFA. Unlike Panama, Colombia will pay all of their own travel and accommodation expenses. The additional income generated from the women's game should help to reduce the losses from the men's game.
6) Why should the taxpayer fund a loss making game? TTFA want all expenses passed to govt but want to keep the majority of income. How can that be right?
7) If FIFA have a problem, then govt will stop "interfering" and TTFA can cover the expenses. But, maybe, Sancho is actually helping TTFA, but not wasting tax money unnecessarily in the process.
IMO, all Sancho is asking for is accountability, I am sure they will not want another $400,000 varnish again and everyone pointing fingers at the other..
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Sancho made his first UNC platform speech last night and is now playing ball for the government.
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p12/Socapro/Brent%20Sancho%20on%20UNC%20Forum%20Platform.jpg) (http://s124.photobucket.com/user/Socapro/media/Brent%20Sancho%20on%20UNC%20Forum%20Platform.jpg.html)
I wonder if he is also going to give his previously neutral advisor a yellow t-shirt? :devil:
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p12/Socapro/Kevin%20Harrison.jpg) (http://s124.photobucket.com/user/Socapro/media/Kevin%20Harrison.jpg.html)
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But Sancho is the arsehole.
Breds, who say that about Sancho? All some of us are saying is don't fall into the same trap as some of the previous MoS. All of us know the situation with Tim Kee and TTFA. As much as he was part of the TTFA, he was not the cause of the problems that they are in. Sancho should sit down and work out something with the man so that we can have a smooth transition with the football when this next election of TTFA comes around. Both TTFA elections and general elections are on the horizon. We have PanAm, Olympics and preps for WC. Tim Kee have to raise some serious outside money. And the govt will in the end be doing their part. If Tim Kee can't raise the money for the next 2 yrs, then he is liability to the association.
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From my knowledge of what happened.
1) The TTFA booked the Panama game and THEN asked for support.
2) The TTFA want the game played at Hasely Crawford but didn't check it's availability as it is booked for the Falcon Games on that date.
3) The TTFA have not secured a game for the women or even keep them in some kind of training regime. I speak with the ladies almost daily.
4) When the women played Ecuador it was probably the best attended international since 2005
5) I was told by my source that Sancho had met with the Colombian Ambassador and they agreed to try to work together in sport. As Colombia needs games before the women's world cup, it seemed a good idea to see if Colombia could play. The official invite would need to come from TTFA. Unlike Panama, Colombia will pay all of their own travel and accommodation expenses. The additional income generated from the women's game should help to reduce the losses from the men's game.
6) Why should the taxpayer fund a loss making game? TTFA want all expenses passed to govt but want to keep the majority of income. How can that be right?
7) If FIFA have a problem, then govt will stop "interfering" and TTFA can cover the expenses. But, maybe, Sancho is actually helping TTFA, but not wasting tax money unnecessarily in the process.
IMO, all Sancho is asking for is accountability, I am sure they will not want another $400,000 varnish again and everyone pointing fingers at the other..
Watson stop playing de ass, when you self have seen the GS reports from the past couple years and know that the TTFA not making any money from these international friendlies. Sancho really want to know where the $400,000 'varnish' let him ask he pardna David Atiba Charles.
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Alyuh fella great yes. Complain about a lack of accountability and when people make moves to bring about some type of accountability alyuh start crying. WTF alyuh really want.
What just let Sancho open the Mins. Purse and say Phillips and Tim Kee come play alyuh self? Get real fellas.
How simple is this. Sancho is looking out for players and coaches, but Bakes won't see that. All he will see is Sancho trying to be vindictive to the FA and by extension he buddy.
This is how this could work;
You want money from us to undertake venture these are our stipulations:
1) Agree to give 50 percent of gate receipts to players and staff for match fees and stipends.
2) Match contracts will have to be part and parcel of our agreements
So how can this work work;
1) Accept the Ministry help by agreeing to the stipulations
- This will cause two things to happen, accountability for monies and YOU WILL NOT OWE ANY COACHES OR PLAYERS.
- You agree and the gate does not make money to pay the players and coaches, then you cannot pay them from gate receipts. How simple is that. To jump out with the gate does not make enough money show a lack of wanting to cooperate. You want what you wat and that's how you want it without any oversight.
2) Tell the Ministry to suck it, and handle yuh own business like people who are qualified to run an International Organization.
I really cannot see the problem here. It's a step towards accountability and self-governance. How log Phillips and Tim Kee in charge and nothing eh change, nothing. Look the U17s playing and we cannot get a video, but the communications director of the TTFA advertising for Stern John Academy. HTF does that work. Thank God for AMWood we get an interview with the head coach before the team leave.
But Sancho is the arsehole.
Fellas get serious and grow up.
Your head so far up yuh own ass that yuh can't make sense from nonsense. You trying to insist that this is something personal with me and the imaginary "buddy" yuh assign mih. Unlike you, I have ALWAYS provided substantiation for my position and concerns, and none of my concerns have to do with anything personal or with any 'buddy.' I have no skin in this so however it play out won't make a difference to me in the end. The fact of the matter is that FIFA is very clear about government interference in football, and while the Ministry is free to dictate whatever terms it wants as a condition of offering financial support, it cannot offer the TTFA a poisoned pill and expect them to agree to it.
The gates receipt talk is nonsense... end of story. Attendance at local football matchs mirror the lack of support for the national programs. This is not about accountability, because at this point Sancho is well aware that the TTFA is willing to show him the financial reports from the last several years, where he will see for himself that the FA has lost money on each of the last 3-4 friendlies it hosted. The financial outlay associated with bringing a team, hosting them, providing security, marketing etc.... none of that can be recouped solely from gate receipts. If he has some kind of idea for increasing attendance (something which he failed to do at his own club) then let him offer it, but as it stands this idea is fanciful foolishness. Even worse is your solution that the FA should both offer a match fee and guarantee 50% of the gate. On which planet? And then people like you self will run around and complain about how no money is being spent on development or youth programs.
It personal for you, you can say what you want. The fastest way to get you to post is to post something about Sancho and more specifically Sancho challenging your TTFA pardner.
Your whole song and dance changed when you found out your boy was going to be GS, then all of a sudden the warriors were greedy and Sancho good for nutten. Since then you in the TTFA corner and fighting anyone that dear say something against yuh boy. I will find the post when yuh switch.
If FIFA say the government cannot interfere with the TTFA business, then let FIFA give TTFA money. Why should the Government just hand over money? Yuh keep talking about Atiba Charles and the $400,000, but yuh eh go talk about yuh pardner involvement in the whole scam.
Here's what I know, Sancho and FS has done much more in Local Football with way less than yuh pardner has done. Run tell dat....Home Boy!
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It personal for you, you can say what you want. The fastest way to get you to post is to post something about Sancho and more specifically Sancho challenging your TTFA pardner.
Your whole song and dance changed when you found out your boy was going to be GS, then all of a sudden the warriors were greedy and Sancho good for nutten. Since then you in the TTFA corner and fighting anyone that dear say something against yuh boy. I will find the post when yuh switch.
If FIFA say the government cannot interfere with the TTFA business, then let FIFA give TTFA money. Why should the Government just hand over money? Yuh keep talking about Atiba Charles and the $400,000, but yuh eh go talk about yuh pardner involvement in the whole scam.
Here's what I know, Sancho and FS has done much more in Local Football with way less than yuh pardner has done. Run tell dat....Home Boy!
If nothing else yuh have a real vivid imagination. Between you and FS I doh know which one jockeying harder to carry Sancho jockstrap. Go ahead... find this mythical post where I "switch" as yuh call it. From the time the TTFF announce a settlement with the players is when I start saying give them a chance. Tim Kee and Phillips was already there so if it was about mih "pardner" (as you imagine him to be) why ah wasn't supporting them before? After the settlement I continued to support the players, it wasn't until the start of last year with Sancho running to the press to threaten to wind down the TTFA that I started being critical of his tactics. So, go forth on yuh mission and find this elusive post where I "switch"... show everybody how it "personal" fuh me. When yuh done come back and tell me about "my boy" role in Atiba Charles throwing $400, 000 dollars of taxpayer money in the back of a Mercedes Benz. Only a damn ass like you would believe that story. All this talk about who do more for local football really eh make any difference to me.
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hahahaha! this thread linin up to be real kix. man get outed. lol.
but under seriousness, i think is a plain and simple case of sancho don't want gov't money going to pay ttff 'debts' - ie clear tim kee and sheldon names (not commenting on if that is hypocritical or not). same thing businesses saying. I think sancho think same thing the ticket-buying public saying (as shown by lack of support). I think the proposal that half the receipts go to players is meant to show the public that they should support - players, women team etc. Don't matter if gov't take a loss for that...I think he's trying to show by the talk about organizing friendlies himself, that as long as money going to players and not in the ttff shady pot fund he willin to put gov't dollars behind the team as often as possible (a justifiable use of tax dollars).
lol. he goin too far by trying to take over the role and make ttff obsolete though. really look like he take the ministry wuk to make a pitch for ttff president after elections :)
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really look like he take the ministry wuk to make a pitch for ttff president after elections :)
Dead Ray Charles seein da play, but yet men in heare acting like is blasphemy to point dat out lol
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really look like he take the ministry wuk to make a pitch for ttff president after elections :)
Dead Ray Charles seein da play, but yet men in heare acting like is blasphemy to point dat out lol
Nah, we all know that Sancho had his eyes on running the TTFA. I have no problem with that. But he or whoever is elected will have the fundamental issue of paying off the TTFA debt. Maybe he has financial backers that Tim Kee don't. My biggest question in this new situation is Jack Warner and the CoC. Is Sancho going to go after Jack and "his Fifa" property in Macoya. He aiming his cannon at Tim Kee, and quite rightly. What about the main men who put us in this big hole.
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really look like he take the ministry wuk to make a pitch for ttff president after elections :)
Dead Ray Charles seein da play, but yet men in heare acting like is blasphemy to point dat out lol
Nah, we all know that Sancho had his eyes on running the TTFA. I have no problem with that. But he or whoever is elected will have the fundamental issue of paying off the TTFA debt. Maybe he has financial backers that Tim Kee don't. My biggest question in this new situation is Jack Warner and the CoC. Is Sancho going to go after Jack and "his Fifa" property in Macoya. He aiming his cannon at Tim Kee, and quite rightly. What about the main men who put us in this big hole.
Unless I'm mistaken, he can't pull that trigger unless and until he is in charge of TTFA.
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Anyone have any real applicable ideas to resolve the TTFA?
What is the TTFA doing now?
Why are the U17 women's, the U20 women's, and the senior women's team not preparing for the summer?
Why is no information being disseminated by the TTFA?
Why no interviews with the U17 players, coaches and staff?
When will ticket go on sale for the Panama friendly?
When will players for the Panama game be called into camp?
When will information be given in regards to the Olympic Team?
Who are the eligible players for the Olympic team?
What preparations will they have prior to competition?
What's going on with the U15 girls National Team?
Boys U15 National Team?
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How Mr Sancho expects Mr Kee to come up with gate receipt money?
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I thought the women had a game on the 27th also?
I could have bet my last dollar that this would have never happened.
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I thought the women had a game on the 27th also?
I could have bet my last dollar that this would have never happened.
The Colombian F.A. decided not to accept the invitation.
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really look like he take the ministry wuk to make a pitch for ttff president after elections :)
Dead Ray Charles seein da play, but yet men in heare acting like is blasphemy to point dat out lol
Nah, we all know that Sancho had his eyes on running the TTFA. I have no problem with that. But he or whoever is elected will have the fundamental issue of paying off the TTFA debt. Maybe he has financial backers that Tim Kee don't. My biggest question in this new situation is Jack Warner and the CoC. Is Sancho going to go after Jack and "his Fifa" property in Macoya. He aiming his cannon at Tim Kee, and quite rightly. What about the main men who put us in this big hole.
sancho in it for the money just like the rest of them.. he is no different if he gets in power, mark my words...
it was always about money and not about progressing and taking our football to the next level... i not surprised at how things are unraveling because all of them men fighting for control of our football and none of them are qualified or have the mindset to take it to the next level or the level we are supposed to be at.... real sad if you ask me and a great coach that can take us places is stuck between these power hungry mad men...
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really look like he take the ministry wuk to make a pitch for ttff president after elections :)
Dead Ray Charles seein da play, but yet men in heare acting like is blasphemy to point dat out lol
Nah, we all know that Sancho had his eyes on running the TTFA. I have no problem with that. But he or whoever is elected will have the fundamental issue of paying off the TTFA debt. Maybe he has financial backers that Tim Kee don't. My biggest question in this new situation is Jack Warner and the CoC. Is Sancho going to go after Jack and "his Fifa" property in Macoya. He aiming his cannon at Tim Kee, and quite rightly. What about the main men who put us in this big hole.
sancho in it for the money just like the rest of them.. he is no different if he gets in power, mark my words...
it was always about money and not about progressing and taking our football to the next level... i not surprised at how things are unraveling because all of them men fighting for control of our football and none of them are qualified or have the mindset to take it to the next level or the level we are supposed to be at.... real sad if you ask me and a great coach that can take us places is stuck between these power hungry mad men...
Just out of interest....there may be a new Minister of Sport after the election, so who would you like to see in that role?
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really look like he take the ministry wuk to make a pitch for ttff president after elections :)
Dead Ray Charles seein da play, but yet men in heare acting like is blasphemy to point dat out lol
Nah, we all know that Sancho had his eyes on running the TTFA. I have no problem with that. But he or whoever is elected will have the fundamental issue of paying off the TTFA debt. Maybe he has financial backers that Tim Kee don't. My biggest question in this new situation is Jack Warner and the CoC. Is Sancho going to go after Jack and "his Fifa" property in Macoya. He aiming his cannon at Tim Kee, and quite rightly. What about the main men who put us in this big hole.
sancho in it for the money just like the rest of them.. he is no different if he gets in power, mark my words...
it was always about money and not about progressing and taking our football to the next level... i not surprised at how things are unraveling because all of them men fighting for control of our football and none of them are qualified or have the mindset to take it to the next level or the level we are supposed to be at.... real sad if you ask me and a great coach that can take us places is stuck between these power hungry mad men...
Just out of interest....there may be a new Minister of Sport after the election, so who would you like to see in that role?
You studying them. Is only ex-pats who smart enough Locals need help to tie their shoe laces.
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This muppet...
“My Cabinet colleagues are really a good bunch of people based on what I have seen,” Sport Minister Brent Sancho told Wired868. “Every discussion that they have in Parliament and outside of Parliament is for the better of Trinidad and Tobago. The Prime Minister in particular has really impressed me…
http://wired868.com/2015/03/22/no-brainer-sancho-defends-decision-to-join-pp-government/#sthash.lFopAqyp.iGHF6xkM.dpuf
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He is a politician now!. Maybe he was a politician all along. It now official. Good move Kamla
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so in all that interview, which seemed to comment on many good things, ideas, even the staying grounded response. Y'all couldn't get by, the 1st paragraph, the politics. I wish ppl won't let the politics restrict them or hold them back, I'm glad he isn't letting that happen. .. but then many of my wishes don't come true. So I found it better when I help things progress, even if it not as I want, get thru your good deed faster, as long as it's good, then maybe we can get to mine. Rather than we fighting as to what good deed should happen, and who should go first, and nothing getting done. Go Brent. Let ppl wait for the own goal, which may come, but not because you wasn't working yuh tail off.
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Max, "assumption is the mother of all f**k ups." Don't assume people couldn't get past the first sentence, I read the entire interview and there was no substance to it whatsoever. Judging from the comments to the article it is evident I wasn't the only oneWho felt that way.
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Max, "assumption is the mother of all f**k ups." Don't assume people couldn't get past the first sentence, I read the entire interview and there was no substance to it whatsoever. Judging from the comments to the article it is evident I wasn't the only oneWho felt that way.
True dat..but barring a daily journal and he publishing his goals and plans in the media.. I don't know what else we want from the man. He works for the public, but shouldn't be subjected to a daily audit, to each citizen of TT. I find the man operating quite good so far. Even if I not here to see, but if I was there, I would have had my eye o everybody..not just on him.
add: many of the negative comments however, was about tribe party
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True dat..but barring a daily journal and he publishing his goals and plans in the media.. I don't know what else we want from the man. He works for the public, but shouldn't be subjected to a daily audit, to each citizen of TT. I find the man operating quite good so far. Even if I not here to see, but if I was there, I would have had my eye o everybody..not just on him.
Max how close yuh following the political situation in Trinidad? My own personal misgivings about Sancho's motivation etc. aside... it takes real belly to align yuhself with the den of thieves that is this current PP government. And then to come out and say that these are a bunch of "good people"? Who he fooling? These people thiefing money left and right, and he singing dey praises??
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=51615.msg922803#msg922803
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True dat..but barring a daily journal and he publishing his goals and plans in the media.. I don't know what else we want from the man. He works for the public, but shouldn't be subjected to a daily audit, to each citizen of TT. I find the man operating quite good so far. Even if I not here to see, but if I was there, I would have had my eye o everybody..not just on him.
Max how close yuh following the political situation in Trinidad? My own personal misgivings about Sancho's motivation etc. aside... it takes real belly to align yuhself with the den of thieves that is this current PP government. And then to come out and say that these are a bunch of "good people"? Who he fooling? These people thiefing money left and right, and he singing dey praises??
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=51615.msg922803#msg922803
I not ready to say some bad apples spoil the whole bunch, but I won't put my head on any block for any PARTY politician either. I don't think you believe, Everybody in the PP is a bunch of thieves, and ALL there supporters mad, on crack or just in for themselves..and all PNM candidates only care for the country, always have. Nah. nor are you saying Sancho musbe a thief cause he align with PP. You live in the States long time, you know better. Is Sancho we hoping & helping, I think. He inside doing a job, should he say "Well, I know I working with a bunch of thieves, but I will do the best job I can, given the time" You think if he see thiefing, he might hold a bag ? I don\t think so. even if I have been wrong before..
add: at some point we have to trust..
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Corruption is invoked as indictment of this government, but it's not merely corruption that's at the essence of expressed opposition. The disapprobation lies in the sense that the government is morally bankrupt, and is naked even politically, having lost the moral authority with which it was vested on the first day it assumed office.
Globally, corruption is known to exist, and the broader international community accepts that there is an "acceptable level" of corruption. However, the state of play regarding corruption, under this government, long has exceeded those bounds.
Sancho's comments on corruption in the present government, relative to other governments, miss the heart of the matter. At present, mere association with this government is a race to the bottom, not the top. Things are well beyond the point of mitigating the governance deficit effectuated by retributive and distributive preferences of a party whose imperative for governing has been to plunder state resources, distort social harmony, and skirt with anti-democratic responses to sustain continuity in office.
Seeking to implement a comprehensive sports policy framework under the present dispensation can never occur absent a critique of the broader political environment, regardless of how benevolent one's intentions are in the abstract.
The Minister is asking the citizenry to engage in an arithmetic of separating good from ill, per his involvement - when perhaps the better approach would have been to not associate with the evident iills from the inception. The public need not engage in the preferred arithmetic. And, even if they do, there's the likelihood that the resulting calculus is unfavorable.
It's unlikely that anything other than cosmetic change will occur between now and Election Day. Gambling with one's reputation given such political variables is an exercise in poor investment.
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Max, if yuh lie with dogs yuh'll wake up with fleas... besides, my comments are about more than just the association, which is bad enough in itself. This man gone from passive association (that is, if that was ever the case) to outright endorsement. I invite you to take a gander at the kinds of things this government has tacitly accepted, if not encouraged (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=63611.msg922320#msg922320) amongst its ranks.
This man sat on four state boards, when it's impossible to even get in the building where jobs are being handed out. Four state boards... yet Sancho's Sanko's leader claims she didn't know this man was a UNC operative. But is Brent man... we should give him ah pass.
Corruption is invoked as indictment of this government, but it's not merely corruption that's at the essence of expressed opposition. The disapprobation lies in the sense that the government is morally bankrupt, and is naked even politically, having lost the moral authority with which it was vested on the first day it assumed office.
Globally, corruption is known to exist, and the broader international community accepts that there is an "acceptable level" of corruption. However, the state of play regarding corruption, under this government, long has exceeded those bounds.
Sancho's comments on corruption in the present government, relative to other governments, miss the heart of the matter. At present, mere association with this government is a race to the bottom, not the top. Things are well beyond the point of mitigating the governance deficit effectuated by retributive and distributive preferences of a party whose imperative for governing has been to plunder state resources, distort social harmony, and skirt with anti-democratic responses to sustain continuity in office.
Seeking to implement a comprehensive sports policy framework under the present dispensation can never occur absent a critique of the broader political environment, regardless of how benevolent one's intentions are in the abstract.
The Minister is asking the citizenry to engage in an arithmetic of separating good from ill, per his involvement - when perhaps the better approach would have been to not associate with the evident iills from the inception. The public need not engage in the preferred arithmetic. And, even if they do, there's the likelihood that the resulting calculus is unfavorable.
It's unlikely that anything other than cosmetic change will occur between now and Election Day. Gambling with one's reputation given such political variables is an exercise in poor investment.
I couldn't have said it any better... every single word is spot on. The level of thievery is unprecedented, which itself is an understatement, it has been astronomical. $360 million dollars in legal work (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=51615.msg922803#msg922803) the government outsourced, including $1.75 million to a company that was dormant, and which had no experience or expertise in legal affairs/legal services. The president of the company being a friend and client of Anand Ramlogan. But anyways... people just want to concentrate on dey football talk.
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Corruption is invoked as indictment of this government, but it's not merely corruption that's at the essence of expressed opposition. The disapprobation lies in the sense that the government is morally bankrupt, and is naked even politically, having lost the moral authority with which it was vested on the first day it assumed office.
Globally, corruption is known to exist, and the broader international community accepts that there is an "acceptable level" of corruption. However, the state of play regarding corruption, under this government, long has exceeded those bounds.
Sancho's comments on corruption in the present government, relative to other governments, miss the heart of the matter. At present, mere association with this government is a race to the bottom, not the top. Things are well beyond the point of mitigating the governance deficit effectuated by retributive and distributive preferences of a party whose imperative for governing has been to plunder state resources, distort social harmony, and skirt with anti-democratic responses to sustain continuity in office.
Seeking to implement a comprehensive sports policy framework under the present dispensation can never occur absent a critique of the broader political environment, regardless of how benevolent one's intentions are in the abstract.
The Minister is asking the citizenry to engage in an arithmetic of separating good from ill, per his involvement - when perhaps the better approach would have been to not associate with the evident iills from the inception. The public need not engage in the preferred arithmetic. And, even if they do, there's the likelihood that the resulting calculus is unfavorable.
It's unlikely that anything other than cosmetic change will occur between now and Election Day. Gambling with one's reputation given such political variables is an exercise in poor investment.
Firstly- these allegations of stolen money is just that - allegations, nothing has been proven with the exceptions of Mr.Jack Warner.
When making political statements - only the facts matter. The decision for Mr.Brent to align himself with the current administration is just that - his decision. Sure you can tell yourself, "In my opinion he made a poor decision", but the fact is UNC wanted someone with experience and a proven track record of success, thus Brent fit met the job requirement.
Instead of been upset of Mr.Brent association with the administration that perhaps will not celebrate another term in your eyes is a waste of a potential PNM candidate.. bleh. No one can tell the future however we can look at the facts, check our status and recognize that we are not in a position to make a difference and the people who can are always victims of criticism no matter what, because some people are set in a certain way of thinking and there is no changing that. For me, I am happy we have Mr. Brent services and happy to see him get a chance to make a difference regardless of the party he choose to be in - and it will be his choice whether you or anyone else likes it or not.
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Talk about missing the forest for the trees...
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Talk about missing the forest for the trees...
:beermug:
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Both of you enlighten me . 1.2.3 go. :beermug:
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Dan that might take years if you as naive as what yuh post above ::)
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Forgive my naďveté , as we mean well.. When I ask my children to represent T & t next week, it's to represent all ppl of TT, irregardless of religion, vocation, political party or agenda. If I am asked to serve in any way ( 35 years ago, I hoped football), now would most likely be in a sporting capacity, or social development capacity, although I may never be called, i would say yes, as it's for the benefit of everything good for my country of birth, in spite of which ruling party in power. I have friends and aquaintance, who chose different paths in life, many not good, those knew not to persuade me, as my strength was my integrity. I don't expect different from Sancho or any other individual called.if they cannot keep their integrity intact during the course of their duty for their country, I can only pity them, but they not less, or more, Trini than I.
Us soldiers rarely judge.
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maxg, I agree with what you say about integrity and morality, etc. And we expect Sancho to rise above divisiveness and do the right thing for the country while he is MoSport. But wait for when the campaign is in full swing and then we will see who upholds morality and integrity. All of that goes thru the window. Case in point, yahoo Netanyahu
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Forgive my naďveté , as we mean well.. When I ask my children to represent T & t next week, it's to represent all ppl of TT, irregardless of religion, vocation, political party or agenda. If I am asked to serve in any way ( 35 years ago, I hoped football), now would most likely be in a sporting capacity, or social development capacity, although I may never be called, i would say yes, as it's for the benefit of everything good for my country of birth, in spite of which ruling party in power. I have friends and aquaintance, who chose different paths in life, many not good, those knew not to persuade me, as my strength was my integrity. I don't expect different from Sancho or any other individual called.if they cannot keep their integrity intact during the course of their duty for their country, I can only pity them, but they not less, or more, Trini than I.
Us soldiers rarely judge.
Yuh know who showing integrity... Minister of Security Brig. General Carlton Alphonso... He appears to have no apparent other interests and ambitions and I have yet to see him on the campaign or propaganda trail...
Not saying Sancho is not a man of integrity but he already start playing the game and so all asylumseeker's comments stand.
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Might have been a worthwhile exercise to do a revenue/cost analysis of a typical TTFF hosted event like a friendly, tournament, or WCQ match
Identify all revenue sources. Break them down into their respective components e.g. Gate receipts, sponsorship, match fees, TV revenue, etc
Identify all expenditures and break them down into their respective components e.g. player stipends, transportation, insurance, venue fees/rentals, officials (refs, linesmen etc) remuneration etc
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After this data is accumulated, analyzed, and prioritized, THEN an informed recommendation can begin to be made.
The TTFF should have most if not all of of this information. If they don't, they would be seriously delinquent. Maybe I just really saying rain wet, but despite me having little or no confidence in their management capacity, surely they couldn't be that inept.
Could they?
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tv revenue? Which tv? Any of the tv station know TT football exist.
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Might have been a worthwhile exercise to do a revenue/cost analysis of a typical TTFF hosted event like a friendly, tournament, or WCQ match
Identify all revenue sources. Break them down into their respective components e.g. Gate receipts, sponsorship, match fees, TV revenue, etc
Identify all expenditures and break them down into their respective components e.g. player stipends, transportation, insurance, venue fees/rentals, officials (refs, linesmen etc) remuneration etc
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After this data is accumulated, analyzed, and prioritized, THEN an informed recommendation can begin to be made.
The TTFF should have most if not all of of this information. If they don't, they would be seriously delinquent. Maybe I just really saying rain wet, but despite me having little or no confidence in their management capacity, surely they couldn't be that inept.
Could they?
Not sure what was done under the old TTFF, but the current TTFA already does that. They operated at a deficit for each of the last three international friendlies against NZ, Peru and Jamaica. Some of that can be improved upon with more efficient processes, and taking control of security from the HCS etc. would also mitigate some of the complaints that patrons had (about the quality of the in-stadium experience), but the bottom line is that gate receipts alone is not a significant enough contributor to revenue.
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Yuh know who showing integrity... Minister of Security Brig. General Carlton Alphonso... He appears to have no apparent other interests and ambitions and I have yet to see him on the campaign or propaganda trail...
If I'm not mistaken, he was on the platform in Debe at the UNC's Monday night 4rum talking about the police action earlier in the day.....
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Another important factor for games that don't draw a big crowd is to check all the LOCKED GATES.
Not all the gates are used, therefore, many are locked and left unattended.
I went to the FA final of 2012, Cali vs DF. I saw guys checking the locked gates and then checking the window area of the ticket booth next to the gate. They started at the far end, away from the attended gates. They went from gate to gate until they found a booth with an open window and entered inside from the door of the booth.
I thought of doing the same thing but I felt sorry for the TTFF as they seem to need what money they can get so I paid.
VB
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So what was the attendance at the game? Was there enough people to get enough money to pay the players?
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So what was the attendance at the game? Was there enough people to get enough money to pay the players?
I saw it quoted as 3,000
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So what was the attendance at the game? Was there enough people to get enough money to pay the players?
I saw it quoted as 3,000
Thanks, FS. That amount can't even pay half the team.
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Might have been a worthwhile exercise to do a revenue/cost analysis of a typical TTFF hosted event like a friendly, tournament, or WCQ match
Identify all revenue sources. Break them down into their respective components e.g. Gate receipts, sponsorship, match fees, TV revenue, etc
Identify all expenditures and break them down into their respective components e.g. player stipends, transportation, insurance, venue fees/rentals, officials (refs, linesmen etc) remuneration etc
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After this data is accumulated, analyzed, and prioritized, THEN an informed recommendation can begin to be made.
The TTFF should have most if not all of of this information. If they don't, they would be seriously delinquent. Maybe I just really saying rain wet, but despite me having little or no confidence in their management capacity, surely they couldn't be that inept.
Could they?
Not sure what was done under the old TTFF, but the current TTFA already does that. They operated at a deficit for each of the last three international friendlies against NZ, Peru and Jamaica. Some of that can be improved upon with more efficient processes, and taking control of security from the HCS etc. would also mitigate some of the complaints that patrons had (about the quality of the in-stadium experience), but the bottom line is that gate receipts alone is not a significant enough contributor to revenue.
Can we Google that or find it on the TTFA website, Twitter, Facebook page? Or is there a mailing list that this sort of info goes out to? I will like to get on that mailing list. Or is there public meetings that people can attend to receive such info?
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Sport Ministry, TTFA battle again over $$.
By Ian Prescott (Express).
Football dogfight
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Another dogfight is brewing between the Ministry of Sport and the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA), over Government funding,
This comes despite Prime Minister Kamla Persad Bissessar issuing a $9 million Cabinet note just over six months ago, and giving assurances that the men’s national football team will be taken care of all the way up to the 2015 CONCACAF Gold Cup.
The Cabinet note’s projected remuneration for the team technical staff of $3,104,000 for the period between November 2014 to June 2015, and an additional $3,878,888 sum to fund Trinidad and Tobago’s participation in the 2015 CONCACAF Gold Cup.
Now however, salary payments to coach Hart and his assistants King and Charles have stopped since February, and newly-installed Sports Minister Brent Sancho promises not to give any money to football, until audited accounts are submitted.
All this comes two months before the Soca Warriors are due to represent Trinidad and Tobago at the 2015 CONCACAF Gold Cup, starting on July 9 against Guatemala in Chicago. USA.
Three years previously, then Minister of Sport Anil Roberts also promised that no money would be given to football before audited accounts, from the TTFA were produced. The TTFA’s agent, and head of an Authorisation Committee, Anthony Harford, insisted they had complied.
The fallout was that Hutson Charles, Derek King and later installed head-coach Hart went unpaid for some time.
Sancho maintains the position he took as a private citizen, when he and other members of the 2006 national team, the Soca Warriors, took the Association and its adviser Jack Warner to court for promised financial incentives. They had been trying to get financial records from the TTFA dating back to the 2006 World Cup.
Sancho said yesterday: “It is up to them (the TTFA),” indicating that funds will be disbursed provided the Association meets the required criteria. “It is in their interest to do what is required.”
TTFA president Raymond Tim Kee said auditors KPMG have been engaged and promised to have the figures available in a couple of weeks. He says figures are readily available during the period when he took office from December 2012, but not those taken away when Sancho and the Soca Warriors levied on the local football body for outstanding payments awarded by the court.
Tim Kee says: “Remember, they took the computers. We have four auditors working on the books now, but it is difficult to get those before 2012.”
Before becoming Sport Minister, Sancho applauded Government’s gesture in making payment of arrears to members of the technical staff and players after the Caribbean Cup in 2014.
“We need to look at how we do things to make sure this does not happen again,” Sancho was quoted as saying in the November 22 edition of the Trinidad Express.
However, both the Minister of Sport and the TTFA president, have indicated a willingness to meet to resolve the brewing impasse.
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Sport Ministry halts payment to Warrior coaches; Tim Kee explains delay.
By Lasana Liburd (wired868).
Despite a prior promise from the Government to pay the salaries of Trinidad and Tobago National Senior Team coaches, Sport Minister Brent Sancho confirmed to Wired868 that his ministry will not give a cent to the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) or any other sporting body without proof of financial order and responsibility.
Head coach Stephen Hart, assistants Hutson Charles and Derek King and the rest of the “Soca Warriors” staff have not been paid since February. And Sancho, a former World Cup 2006 player, insisted that the Sport Ministry would be unable to offer financial assistance until TTFA president Raymond Tim Kee provides audited books for scrutiny.
He said that the $9.9 million Cabinet note on behalf of the the TTFA, on 13 November 2014—which was done during the term of previous Sport Minister Rupert Griffith—comes with certain stipulations.
“For every single governing body that I have, the Ministry of Sport has made some sort of promise or gesture towards payment,” Sancho told Wired868. “But every body has also made a promise towards transparency and proper governance.
“Two hands must clap. They have their part to play and, if they don’t live up to it, the other hand cannot clap.”
"TTFA president Raymond Tim Kee agreed with Sancho in principle and vowed to take the KPMG’s auditor to the Sport Ministry to prove that the football body was not trying to hide anything.
“I’m not looking for any favours,” said Tim Kee. “I said (to Sancho) if we don’t do what we are supposed to do to get the money, then don’t release any funds…
“(The audit) should be finished within two to three weeks. I hope to have meeting with the meeting and take (KPMG auditor) Robert (Reis) along so he will know I am not playing a ducking game.”
But there was an interesting explanation with regards to the football body’s delay.
“(KPMG) requested information from the TTFA which we didn’t have,” the TTFA president told Wired868. “Some of that information was taken away by the (World Cup 2006) players after the court case.”
Thirteen World Cup 2006 players levied against the football body, three years ago, and seized equipment from the TTFA office on Donaldson Street, Port of Spain. Sancho was one of the players present for the raid as well as his advisor Kevin Harrison.
Incidentally, the supposedly missing information was not offered as an excuse for possible delays when TTFA general secretary Sheldon Phillips agreed to the Sport Ministry’s March deadline for the audit. Or when Tim Kee met Sancho in April and promised the financial documents within a week.
But it is, arguably, a reminder of the frayed history between the heads of the two bodies.
Tim Kee countered that the missing data had always hampered the auditors. But it was more problematic now due to the volume of information requested by the ministry.
“There was an audit done last year for FIFA,” he said. “But FIFA only wanted an audit of the money they put in. The ministry wants a global audit for every cent (that goes into the Sport Ministry).”
The TTFA’s coaches, as always, are already suffering from the stand-off while it might extend to the players if funding is not guaranteed for their teams’ preparation. Hart, for one, hopes to resume training for the 2015 CONCACAF Gold Cup tournament at the end of this month while he also wants practice games next month.
Farcically, it appears that the TTFA’s new technical director Kendall Walkes also numbers among the unpaid coaching staff within one month of his new appointment.
Tim Kee suggested that Walkes, a former West Chester University coach, was hired on the presumption that the Ministry of Sport would pay half his salary. And Walkes began work just days after the TTFA missed its first deadline to provide audited statements to the ministry.
“Before, the Sportt Company took care of 50 percent of the remuneration (of the TTFA technical director) so this seems to be a new position by the ministry,” said Tim Kee. “But I don’t want to get into an argument about that… We have to work with that situation.”
Wired868 asked whether the TTFA approached the Ministry of Sport specifically about helping foot Walkes’ salary.
“The Minister made that statement (about stopping funding for football) only two weeks ago,” said Tim Kee, “so all (internal) conversations before would have included (the presumed) 50/50 arrangement with the Sport Ministry.”
So did the TTFA even fulfil its presumed obligation to pay half of Walkes’ salary?
“Mr Walkes hasn’t been paid a cent yet,” said Tim Kee.
Sancho said he had not seen a TTFA request to pay half of Walkes’ salary although he did not rule out the possibility that one was made to the Sportt Company. But he denied any responsibility for the remuneration of football’s new technical director.
“We have a disclaimer out,” said Sancho. “We said we are not responsible for any of the debts incurred by local governing bodies.”
Tim Kee said he will meet with his general secretary today to discuss the football body’s debts, which include his current coaches and former employees like ex-technical director Anton Corneal and ex-coach Russell Latapy.
“I am having a meeting (today) with the person doing the accounts and Mr Phillips and the conversation and discussion is around all debts,” said Tim Kee. “I have asked for a list of all the creditors and will look at what we can deal with now which is not any huge amount. And, of course, the current coaches and technical staff are the front burner item…
“The TTFA should pay its coaches as a responsibility but (we have to say) may with all things being equal. It is a balancing act with the limited resources we have.”
"As always, the shadow of former special advisor and Chaguanas West MP Jack Warner looms and blights the TTFA.
Last month, Justice Frank Seepersad ordered the TTFA to satisfy an unpaid debt of TT $1.2 million plus interest to Immamudin Baksh and his Graphix Advantage Limited (GAL) company for work related to the FIFA 2010 Under-17 Women’s Cup.
Seepersad slammed the suspicious nature of the deal negotiated by Warner, which included some free services, and urged the Integrity Commission to investigate.
“Inappropriate behaviour in public office has to be condemned and cannot be tolerated,” said Justice Seepersad. “Such arrangements undermine the integrity and independence of the office. A perception is thereby created that such arrangements are reflective of a situation where the provider of gratuitous service expects and/or receives remuneration in other unconventional ways.”
Still, the TTFA alone was ordered to pay the debt.
Tim Kee said the football body has lost another million (TT) in fees owed to FIFA, which dates back over a decade. The governing football body never tried to recoup that money while Warner was a FIFA vice-president. But they clearly are happy to do so now.
“FIFA deducted a huge amount of money (from our subvention) as their levy on match fees,” he said. “Every time, you host a national game there is a fee you have to pay and apparently that had not been paid for a long, long time. That deduction created some exchanges and anger from me…
“I will raise it with (FIFA president Sepp) Blatter.”
There was not all bad news for football, though.
Sancho said the Warriors coaches should receive outstanding match fees from the Sport Ministry within the next two weeks for the 2014 Caribbean Cup finals.
“What happened was payments for the (Caribbean Cup) group stage were approved but not up until the final,” he said. “So it is just about verifying who is staff and who isn’t and who deserves to be paid… There is nothing untoward but they are just making sure.
“I should have that done within a week and a half.”
The Sport Minister said the Pro League should also receive prize money for the 2013/14 season within the same time frame. DIRECTV W Connection won the million dollar first prize for that season.
“(The Pro League prize money) is being worked on as we speak,” said Sancho. “I hope it is out of the office by this week.”
Sancho, in contrast to an earlier statement, admitted the Sport Ministry had received a budget from TTFA official William Wallace that covered the senior Warriors’ 2015 Gold Cup and 2018 World Cup campaigns.
No payments will be made before the TTFA presents audited statements. However, Sancho stopped short of promising to meet all the football body’s financial requests, regardless of the state of their books.
“At the end of the day. you have to understand that whatever is required by the federation must be put into proper perspective,” said the Sport Minister. “As much as they have grandiose plans, we must understand that, with oil princes dropping, we only have a limited amount of funds…
“Since I came in as minister, I have been looking closely at budgets from all governing bodies, not just football… It is not to second-guess the governing bodies but just to ask the question of if (the request) is a necessity as it relates to our financial scenario.”
About The Author
Lasana Liburd is the CEO and Editor at Wired868.com and a journalist with over 15 years experience at several local and international publications including Play the Game, World Soccer, UK Guardian and the Trinidad Express.
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TTFA auditing accounts outstanding for 2012-2014.
By Sean Nero (Guardian).
Sport Minister Brent Sancho yesterday made it clear that his Ministry’s decision to suspend funding to the T&T Football Association (TTFA) was not a result of well publicised differences between himself and the executive of the national sporting organisation.
Instead, he said, it was simply to get the TTFA executive led by Raymond Tim Kee to communicate to taxpayers through the presentation of legitimate documents, how millions of dollars disbursed to it by the state was being used.
On Saturday, the ministry issued a media release which underscored its previous position and said national governing bodies (NGBs) of sport in receipt of funding from the Ministry of Sport and the Sports Company of Trinidad and Tobago (SPORTT) must have audited accounts in order to receive support from the Government.
When contacted Minister Sancho said, “Most of the sporting governing bodies seem to have some sort of accounting system of structure.”
Meanwhile, the TTFA in his view was delinquent.
Asked for which period his ministry wanted audited financial statements from the Tim Kee administration, the minister said, “I will take anything. I will take it from when they changed the name.”
The TTFA was formerly known as the T&T Football Federation. The name of the organisation was changed when Tim Kee became president in November 2012.
Sancho said, “At the end of the day, I am not trying to mind anybody’s business. I am responsible for administering tax-payers money. It is my responsibility to ensure that the entity that we are giving money to is A: financially prudent and B: can account for the money that they spend. We want to see what is their financial history in terms of how they have done things.”
He added, “The key is to bring all sporting governing bodies under one house in terms of auditing. Whether we use an accounting firm to do this or one person does all the accounts, so we will be consistent. That is the aim. I met with the Federation back in February. Then I met with the president (Raymond Tim Kee). Now I am hearing excuses about computers being taken away and that this Government doesn’t like football…doesn’t like cricket. I am not trying to get into any argument. I am just trying to treat everyone the same. My concern is the promises being broken. I gave them a final deadline. I sent them a correspondence on Monday and I expect everything to come to a resolution.”
The minister expressed frustration that the casualties at the end of the day were the athletes, while staff at the TTFA, including its general secretary Sheldon Phillip, was still getting their salaries.
“But when you look at the TTFA, look at the mere fact that coaches aren’t being paid. That can’t be right! These things have to stop! At the end of the day it is affecting the performance of our athletes. This Government and previous government spent a lot of money in sport and we are not getting the results we should get,” said Sancho.
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Football in battle again off the field.
By Alvin Corneal (Guardian).
It is unbelievable how the stakeholders of football are incapable of bringing some level of maturity which may invite constructive dialogue to the sport. There is hardly ever a year when the game does not suffer from a lack of organised management, especially when it relates to the budgeting process for annual activities.
I do agree that sometimes the headlines tend to bring immediate impact to the reader and by extension, the parties from all sides of the sporting structure. It is ironic how the international football world can be so capable of handling their administrative affairs with great success, while a small country like T&T, appears to be incapable of some intelligent discussions which can lead to solve the issues at large.
The headlines of a few days ago in all the media, the print, electroni and social media, spells like a world title boxing fight as the TTFA is challenged to provide audited statement for 2012—2014. If we view that request in isolation, we will understand that audited statements have been a massive problem for the TTFA, since the days when the previous regime was in office and before that too.
The habit of not wanting to prepare an annual calendar for our national teams, is the biggest bugbear for documenting mathematically an audited statement. There is no set calendar that can show the public what plans do our national teams follow for the coming year. We actually do not know what is happening next week, far more the balance of the year.
Football in our country has been organised in a truly haphazard manner, a habitual approach which no administrator has been able to bring to the senses of the more powerful leaders in the Association. Actually, I was elated when the former Minister of sport, Rupert Griffith approved the commitment of the Ministry to financing the preparation of the Gold Cup through to the finals which takes place from 7th -26th July.
Now that the Ministry of sport’s boss has been changed, the name Brent Sancho would have sounded as wonderful news, seeing that he was a former national player, and recently an owner of a pro league club in the country’s pro League. Brent is the type of person who wants to immediately impact all aspects of sport in a professional manner, and provide an organised send off to sport generally.
He may have looked at the lethargic behaviour of the TTFA with the women’s programme, especially as the Fifa has mandated the member associations to spend fifteen percent of Fifa’s subventions to women’s football, especially for early developmental reasons.
Brent’s effort to employ a make shift league to create a short term competition, may well have been designed to kick start our women’s competitive journey which has had its absence of activity exposed by the captain of the team Maylee Johnson. Honestly, the idea is not the ultimate, but anything is better than nothing, and I believe that the TTFA may grab the chance to bring some much needed life back to the women’s game.
We are all aware that Brent’s plan must be given the blessing from the TTFA which could not possibly be a hard sell for the charismatic Minister. The results of dialogue between the two stakeholders have not been announced, and all women football fans eagerly await the outcome.
However, the recent headline which implied a “dogfight in football” had hinted that maybe there has been no dialogue or if there was any meeting of the minds to send our teams to their summer engagements with full confidence. Honestly, I was probably spoilt by the competence of almost every area of sport in the good old days, which was well planned. Everything seemed in place and hardly was there ever a fight over money to enter a competition in the region.
The gate receipts in those days were very small, but thousands supported what they still refer to as excellent football and wonderful cricket. Today, with an economy forever booming, few would have believed that there will be problems. Let us return to the first issue, which referred to the audited statements of the past, and a request to produce the finances to the Ministry strictly from a point of accountability.
We are all able to forecast financial losses at every local Football match in any of the leagues because of a moderate standard of play, we hear of referees not turning up for matches because they have not been paid, although the clubs entering competitions are asked to pay referees fees in advance, and it is clear to see that money for international football must come from sponsors through the business sector.
Many people are of the belief that the state has a commitment to sponsoring national sport, which has been a practice for many years. But have we ever noticed that the bigger countries do not provide state funds to any sporting association. Granted that we are a small nation, but our government should really be handing subventions to developing programs where the guarantee of youth participation is of paramount interest to the nation.
One of the most important stakeholders in all this calamity is the National Olympic committee, whose interest in all sport should be well established.
That Committee is really in charge of all Olympic sports and that should include Football. I am also aware that between the years 1963 and 1991, the late Knolly Henderson, Alex Chapman, Lloyd Agard and some other members were as interested in seeing the growth of the team sports. They assisted in funding the tournaments under their control.
Today, the concept has changed and getting large track and field teams to the Olympics, the Panam, the commonwealth games will enhance the chances of the administrators to be among the hierarchy of world Athletics. The NOC are the ones who can monitor audited statements on behalf of the government, report their findings, and even recommend the amount of subventions which will satisfy their annual budgets.
That is not happening and while football is battling their own way with a management structure which is doomed for failure, may well find themselves having to default one of these major tournaments and face the wrath of Fifa whose financial assistance to each of their member associations should be better utilised.
Was the public ever informed that most of the prize money which are promised to the winning clubs by all the leagues in this country are not paid promptly and in some cases not at all.?
The country deserves much better from management and stakeholders as well. Playing the blame game does no good to the sport and our fans must not just be supporters, but we must make a demand on the officials, executives and the players to earn the support of the nation. Take your job seriously or leave it for persons who care.
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Alvin just writing for the sake of writing.
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http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20150516/sports/productive-meeting-between-ttfa-president-sport-minister
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If we wait for a report from the TTFA about the meeting with the MOS we might as well just play the lottery, we might have a better chance of winning.
Anyone, FS, anybody have an indepth report on how the meeting went with the TTFA and the MOS and whats the next move or the way forward?
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Joint TTFA/Ministry of Sport press release.
By Shaun Fuentes (TTFA).
The Ministry of Sport and the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) are pleased to advise that the meeting of both parties last week was a cordial and productive one.
TTFA's management and professional services firm KPMG explained the issues that have caused the delay in the finalisation of the audited financial statements from 2008 to 2014.
According to the auditor, "KPMG performed audit work for FY 2008 and 2009 and draft financial statements were prepared and submitted to management (TTFA) for both years for review and comments. A bank confirmation was received for both years, that included bank accounts that were not reflected in the accounts. TTFA's management requested information from the relevant banks, most of which has not been received to date. Consequently, TTFA's management was unable to provide the auditors with sufficient information for the completion of the audits for all years from 2008 onwards."
When the meeting concluded, the Minister was presented with draft audited financial statements from the TTFA for the periods 2008/09. The Ministry committed to assisting the TTFA to bring the organisation's accounting records up to date and determine how state funding will be accounted for in the future. However, as the submission of audited financials for previous years must be complete before going forward, it was agreed that draft accounting statements as prepared by KPMG would be presented on the following dates:
2010/11 by 22 May
2011/12 by 8 June
2013/14 by 30 June
The TTFA President also gave a detailed update on the operations of the organization and its plans. He spoke about the FA’s continued efforts towards better governance and also gave a commitment to keeping the Ministry updated on matters discussed.
The Ministry has therefore agreed to resume funding the TTFA with an initial release to cover two months outstanding salaries for coaches and technical staff of the senior men's programme. Additionally, the Ministry has undertaken to review the TTFA's request for funding to support the 2015 Gold Cup campaign which begins in July.
With respect to the Women's Premier League (WPL), the Ministry has submitted a prospectus on the proposed rules and regulations of the tournament and expects to secure the formal endorsement of the TTFA for the competition which is scheduled to commence in June 2015.
The Ministry also resolved to support the FIFA Goal project which will see the establishment of a National Training Centre in Trinidad and Tobago. This initiative links well with the Ministry's overall vision of making Trinidad and Tobago the preferred destination for sport training and development.
Both parties expressed satisfaction with the level of discussions which took place and remain committed towards combining its efforts in the best interest of all concerned.
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Ministry of Sport resumes coaches' salary payments.
T&T Express Reports.
The Ministry of Sport has resumed funding to the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association, while the (TTFA) is expected to formally endorse, the Women's Professional League, a competition proposed by Sport Minister Brent Sancho.
These developments come as both parties have come to a truce, following a recent split which saw Sport Minister Brent Sancho halting Association funding and demanding audited accounts.
The Ministry of Sport issued a joint release on Friday, advising that a meeting of both parties last week was "cordial and productive". Both parties expressed satisfaction with the level of discussions which took place and remain committed to combining its efforts in the best interest of all concerned.
"The Ministry has therefore agreed to resume funding to the TTFA with an initial release to cover two months' outstanding salaries for coaches and technical staff of the senior men's programme. Additionally, the Ministry has undertaken to review the TTFA's request for funding to support the 2015 Gold Cup campaign which begins in July 2015," stated the release from the communication department of the Ministry of Sport.
When the meeting concluded, Minister Sancho was presented with draft audited financial statements from the TTFA for the periods 2008-09. An agreement was made to have set dates for delivery of other required accounts.
The TTFA was required to deliver audited accounts for the period 2010-11 to the Sport Ministry last Friday, those for 2011 -12 by June 8, and 2013-14 accounts of expenditure by June 30
The Sport Ministry's statement said: "TTFA's management and professional services firm KPMG explained the issues that have caused the delay in the finalisation of the audited financial statements from 2008 to 2014."
According to the auditor, KPMG performed audit work for FY 2008 and 2009 and draft financial statements were prepared and submitted to management (TTFA) for both years for review and comments. A bank confirmation was received for both years, that included bank accounts that were not reflected in the accounts.
TTFA's management requested information from the relevant banks, most of which has not been received to date. Consequently, TTFA's management was unable to provide the auditors with sufficient information for the completion of the audits for all years from 2008 onwards."
Further, the Sport Ministry gave its commitment to assist the TTFA to bring the organisation's accounting records up to date and determine how state funding will be accounted for in the future. It was stated that submission of audited financials for previous years must be complete before both parties go further forward.
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Sancho says no more funding for TTFA...unless.
By Sean Taylor (Express).
ENOUGH!
In an immediate response to the suggestion of "systematically bullying" by the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA), the Minister of Sport and Youth Affairs (MSYA) Brent Sancho responded for the first time out in the open regarding the ongoing feud between his ministry and the local football governing body.
Sancho called an impromptu press confrerence yesterday at the Hasely Crawford Stadium, where he made it clear that until the TTFA can become more transparent with their financial dealings, the government will no longer fund them.
The TTFA released a statement to the media on Sunday that included the specifics of their expenditure, which was said to be US$71,000. However, yesterday, the sum was said to be US$100,000 by the minister, and was set to be received at the end of July from CONCACAF.
Sancho said that according to a TTFA press release, the ministry was alerted in writing of the funds to the TTFA from CONCACAF. “This is true,” he said, “But what minister Tim Kee does not admit to, was that the information was given after the ministry had paid the airfare for the Gold Cup, and after the ministry had made several direct enquiries.”
Sancho said when his Ministry asked the TTFA on June 25, if CONCACAF would cater to internal flights and accomodation during the Gold Cup, while the TTFA would have to see about their team's airfare to and from the US, their answer was yes.
The MSYA was told by the TTFA on June 28 that the US$100,000 CONCACAF funded would arrive at the end of July. However CONCACAF relayed information that the funds had already arrived. “Yet still, the TTFA continue to request funding from the ministry including a request to pay a laundry bill,” the minister said.
Sancho said he was not surprised when he found out that his ministry unwittingly allotted what eventually became surplus funds to the TTFA, after the CONCACAF had already sent the money. “This is an institutionalised behaviour,” he said. “It has started since mister Warner, and Tim Kee has been a part of his organisation, so I'm not surprised.”
The sports minister said that he has consistently requested to see the TTFA accounts, a stipulation placed in the cabinet notes. “I believe I have a duty to have these conditions met,” he said.
The TTFA is poorly run according to the Minister -– the VISA debacle, the frantic changes in players, the decision to pay match fees at the Pan Am Games without an agreement from the TTOC, the missing $400,000 for the Argentina game, the Akeem Adams tee-shirt scandal, as well as the player's Jamaican impasse, were all due to the culpability of the football governing body.
Regarding the women's footballers, the minister reiterated that he promised them that he would sit down and discuss with Tim Kee, their issues. One of the issues was the payment of stipends and match fees for the Pan American Games; they were promised US$600 for the entire trip; they were trying to negotiate US$500 per game as well as stipends. He said that the TTFA "miraculously" sourced funds when a boycott of the Games became a plausibility.
However, despite promising the girls their payments, they have yet to deliver as according to Sancho, none of the promises have come to fruition. “I woke up this morning and felt it was a reincarnation of Jack Warner,” he said.
“This is the only governing body that we have any problems with. It is abundantly clear that this organisatiojn is playing politics with sport. During the Jamaica impasse, the government went as far as to fund $9.5 million to ensure staff were paid. The question is, when will it end? It has to stop.” he emphasised.
According to him, the Ministry has had enough and will not entertain any further funding unless the TTFA can be more transparent, and account for previous funds. “They will not be funded,” Sancho said. “Unless they can account for where our funds will go,” he ended.
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This seems like really petty behaviour because I can't see what has changed outside of the TTFA press release.
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2 more months and this f00cker gone.
We have 3 teams playing right now, de men and women Pan Am teams and we senior team, Sancho of all people should know that its very costly to run a team, really, what can US$100,000 cover?
Sancho right to question two things,,,,,, however.....
1. The TTFA is poorly run and manage and the way people get jobs there is crazy.
2. They need to open their books. But according to the TTFA the auditing company is the one they waiting on.
So what Sancho expect?
Is not like they saying no !!!
This is so dam pettie, Sancho is the softest rasta I know.
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someone need to call ian alleyne or get santana and narine on the case
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well well well ........ and de
beat fight goes on. Two kindergarteners throwing temper tantrums while our football suffers. De team in de quarters of de Gold Cup and WC qualifiers coming up.OK Tim Kee your turn to pass ah big cuff now.
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rhinos in a china shop steups
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rhinos in a china shop steups
basically you're saying the TTFA will sell the ivory, promise dey fren meat.. then ask Sancho for $$ to pay a custodian to clean up the mess and the uber driver to deliver said meat to frens.
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rhinos in a china shop steups
basically you're saying the TTFA will sell the ivory, promise dey fren meat.. then ask Sancho for $$ to pay a custodian to clean up the mess and the uber driver to deliver said meat to frens.
unless sancho and timkee head butt each other and dead how yuh suppose dat happenin
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Transparency would at least make it easier to shift through the cow excrement - it's incredibly hard (at least from this distance) to tell who had/did which when and where.
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Transparency would at least make it easier to shift through the cow excrement - it's incredibly hard (at least from this distance) to tell who had/did which when and where.
dais why d dick measuring and games need to stop......both men guilty of said.......Tim-kee should clear d air on d mony thing though, since is a stickin point.....
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2 more months and this f00cker gone.
We have 3 teams playing right now, de men and women Pan Am teams and we senior team, Sancho of all people should know that its very costly to run a team, really, what can US$100,000 cover?
Sancho right to question two things,,,,,, however.....
1. The TTFA is poorly run and manage and the way people get jobs there is crazy.
2. They need to open their books. But according to the TTFA the auditing company is the one they waiting on.
So what Sancho expect?
Is not like they saying no !!!
This is so dam pettie, Sancho is the softest rasta I know.
Actually, they do seem to be saying no. KPMG and Tim-Kee came to the Ministry and explained the delay. Sancho suggested KPMG produce a report for each year from 2008 with information available, so that there is at least some record in income and expenditure. KPMG promised they would deliver each year by a certain date with the final report arriving in July. To date, nothing has been received. Now you could say that maybe KPMG is the problem. However, if your funding is depending on this, surely you would chase them up and report back to the Ministry?
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2 more months and this f00cker gone.
We have 3 teams playing right now, de men and women Pan Am teams and we senior team, Sancho of all people should know that its very costly to run a team, really, what can US$100,000 cover?
Sancho right to question two things,,,,,, however.....
1. The TTFA is poorly run and manage and the way people get jobs there is crazy.
2. They need to open their books. But according to the TTFA the auditing company is the one they waiting on.
So what Sancho expect?
Is not like they saying no !!!
This is so dam pettie, Sancho is the softest rasta I know.
Actually, they do seem to be saying no. KPMG and Tim-Kee came to the Ministry and explained the delay. Sancho suggested KPMG produce a report for each year from 2008 with information available, so that there is at least some record in income and expenditure. KPMG promised they would deliver each year by a certain date with the final report arriving in July. To date, nothing has been received. Now you could say that maybe KPMG is the problem. However, if your funding is depending on this, surely you would chase them up and report back to the Ministry?
I find Sancho being unfair to ask for report from 2008. Wha, he think Tim Kee found money when he took over in 2012 and holding back?
Sancho probably interested to see what they could squeeze extra from de law suit case.
Tim Kee took over in 2012 and should be responsible from then, that makes more sense.
I dont understand why KPMG taking so long anyway, like de TTFA hiring a next Darren Millien?
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2 more months and this f00cker gone.
We have 3 teams playing right now, de men and women Pan Am teams and we senior team, Sancho of all people should know that its very costly to run a team, really, what can US$100,000 cover?
Sancho right to question two things,,,,,, however.....
1. The TTFA is poorly run and manage and the way people get jobs there is crazy.
2. They need to open their books. But according to the TTFA the auditing company is the one they waiting on.
So what Sancho expect?
Is not like they saying no !!!
This is so dam pettie, Sancho is the softest rasta I know.
Actually, they do seem to be saying no. KPMG and Tim-Kee came to the Ministry and explained the delay. Sancho suggested KPMG produce a report for each year from 2008 with information available, so that there is at least some record in income and expenditure. KPMG promised they would deliver each year by a certain date with the final report arriving in July. To date, nothing has been received. Now you could say that maybe KPMG is the problem. However, if your funding is depending on this, surely you would chase them up and report back to the Ministry?
I find Sancho being unfair to ask for report from 2008. Wha, he think Tim Kee found money when he took over in 2012 and holding back?
Sancho probably interested to see what they could squeeze extra from de law suit case.
Tim Kee took over in 2012 and should be responsible from then, that makes more sense.
I dont understand why KPMG taking so long anyway, like de TTFA hiring a next Darren Millien?
Sam, you're kinda missing the point. TTFA need audits from 2012. This is what Sancho wants to see. To obtain these, there has to be continuity from previous years. (debts are carried forward, for example). So KPMG have to start at 2008 so that they can accurately audit 2012. Sancho doesn't give a toss about 2008/9/10/11 but they are a means to an end. So he wants to see that 2012 will actually happen and the way to do that is to request KPMG provide the earlier years as and when they are produced.
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2 more months and this f00cker gone.
We have 3 teams playing right now, de men and women Pan Am teams and we senior team, Sancho of all people should know that its very costly to run a team, really, what can US$100,000 cover?
Sancho right to question two things,,,,,, however.....
1. The TTFA is poorly run and manage and the way people get jobs there is crazy.
2. They need to open their books. But according to the TTFA the auditing company is the one they waiting on.
So what Sancho expect?
Is not like they saying no !!!
This is so dam pettie, Sancho is the softest rasta I know.
Actually, they do seem to be saying no. KPMG and Tim-Kee came to the Ministry and explained the delay. Sancho suggested KPMG produce a report for each year from 2008 with information available, so that there is at least some record in income and expenditure. KPMG promised they would deliver each year by a certain date with the final report arriving in July. To date, nothing has been received. Now you could say that maybe KPMG is the problem. However, if your funding is depending on this, surely you would chase them up and report back to the Ministry?
I find Sancho being unfair to ask for report from 2008. Wha, he think Tim Kee found money when he took over in 2012 and holding back?
Sancho probably interested to see what they could squeeze extra from de law suit case.
Tim Kee took over in 2012 and should be responsible from then, that makes more sense.
I dont understand why KPMG taking so long anyway, like de TTFA hiring a next Darren Millien?
The longer accountants take, the more money they make... Simple...
Kpmg may be drawing out the process and TTFA is using that to their advantage to gain leverage ahead of the election.. They may also be telling them to hold back as well because some transactions may stick out and create concerns...
They are making it seem that the mos is making them suffer and harming national football, when in fact, the ttfa need to show some transparency and accountability..
You want the government to fund the national program but you're lying along the way and not disclosing info, if Sancho is careless and doesn't do his due diligence in dispersing money, he will be held accountable and look like the incompetent corrupt individual.
Everyone is only looking at TK sad sap story which is duplitious and that's putting it mildly..
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Can't wait to see how much the KPMG BILL costing us.. bet they get paid before football staff & players too .. :laugh: with the money earmarked for U16 World cup, but w will use the money earmarked for WC qualify to pay that, then the money earmarked for X we will use for Y...and so on, and so on ..best take a :laugh: than :'(.. we livin life oui
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2 more months and this f00cker gone.
We have 3 teams playing right now, de men and women Pan Am teams and we senior team, Sancho of all people should know that its very costly to run a team, really, what can US$100,000 cover?
Sancho right to question two things,,,,,, however.....
1. The TTFA is poorly run and manage and the way people get jobs there is crazy.
2. They need to open their books. But according to the TTFA the auditing company is the one they waiting on.
So what Sancho expect?
Is not like they saying no !!!
This is so dam pettie, Sancho is the softest rasta I know.
Actually, they do seem to be saying no. KPMG and Tim-Kee came to the Ministry and explained the delay. Sancho suggested KPMG produce a report for each year from 2008 with information available, so that there is at least some record in income and expenditure. KPMG promised they would deliver each year by a certain date with the final report arriving in July. To date, nothing has been received. Now you could say that maybe KPMG is the problem. However, if your funding is depending on this, surely you would chase them up and report back to the Ministry?
I find Sancho being unfair to ask for report from 2008. Wha, he think Tim Kee found money when he took over in 2012 and holding back?
Sancho probably interested to see what they could squeeze extra from de law suit case.
Tim Kee took over in 2012 and should be responsible from then, that makes more sense.
I dont understand why KPMG taking so long anyway, like de TTFA hiring a next Darren Millien?
Sam, you're kinda missing the point. TTFA need audits from 2012. This is what Sancho wants to see. To obtain these, there has to be continuity from previous years. (debts are carried forward, for example). So KPMG have to start at 2008 so that they can accurately audit 2012. Sancho doesn't give a toss about 2008/9/10/11 but they are a means to an end. So he wants to see that 2012 will actually happen and the way to do that is to request KPMG provide the earlier years as and when they are produced.
FS, as an accountant myself that comment above isn't totally true. Sancho does NOT need the accounts from 2008 going forward. The carry forward (c/f) and/or brought forward (b/f) amounts should suffice when auditing incomplete records; so from the year preceding Tim Kee's appointment is good enough. Sancho is only trying to satisfy his curiosity. He and Tim Kee are playing politics. Tim Kee a little moreso than him. Tim Kee smell blood i.e. that the PP Government is on the backfoot and is trying to capitalise. More reason why the TTFA president and any other head of a sporting body should not be a politician.
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More reason why the TTFA president and any other head of a sporting body should not be a politician.
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2 more months and this f00cker gone.
We have 3 teams playing right now, de men and women Pan Am teams and we senior team, Sancho of all people should know that its very costly to run a team, really, what can US$100,000 cover?
Sancho right to question two things,,,,,, however.....
1. The TTFA is poorly run and manage and the way people get jobs there is crazy.
2. They need to open their books. But according to the TTFA the auditing company is the one they waiting on.
So what Sancho expect?
Is not like they saying no !!!
This is so dam pettie, Sancho is the softest rasta I know.
Actually, they do seem to be saying no. KPMG and Tim-Kee came to the Ministry and explained the delay. Sancho suggested KPMG produce a report for each year from 2008 with information available, so that there is at least some record in income and expenditure. KPMG promised they would deliver each year by a certain date with the final report arriving in July. To date, nothing has been received. Now you could say that maybe KPMG is the problem. However, if your funding is depending on this, surely you would chase them up and report back to the Ministry?
I find Sancho being unfair to ask for report from 2008. Wha, he think Tim Kee found money when he took over in 2012 and holding back?
Sancho probably interested to see what they could squeeze extra from de law suit case.
Tim Kee took over in 2012 and should be responsible from then, that makes more sense.
I dont understand why KPMG taking so long anyway, like de TTFA hiring a next Darren Millien?
Sam, you're kinda missing the point. TTFA need audits from 2012. This is what Sancho wants to see. To obtain these, there has to be continuity from previous years. (debts are carried forward, for example). So KPMG have to start at 2008 so that they can accurately audit 2012. Sancho doesn't give a toss about 2008/9/10/11 but they are a means to an end. So he wants to see that 2012 will actually happen and the way to do that is to request KPMG provide the earlier years as and when they are produced.
FS, as an accountant myself that comment above isn't totally true. Sancho does NOT need the accounts from 2008 going forward. The carry forward (c/f) and/or brought forward (b/f) amounts should suffice when auditing incomplete records; so from the year preceding Tim Kee's appointment is good enough. Sancho is only trying to satisfy his curiosity. He and Tim Kee are playing politics. Tim Kee a little moreso than him. Tim Kee smell blood i.e. that the PP Government is on the backfoot and is trying to capitalise. More reason why the TTFA president and any other head of a sporting body should not be a politician.
That was the explanation provided by KPMG at the meeting. The meeting was to clarify to the Ministry why 2012 & 13 were not available. The only reason Sancho even mentioned 2008 onward is because the production of those would show some progress towards 2012. Or, in other words, given the atmosphere of distrust, even the explanation from KPMG (professional as they are) still did not completely satisfy those present from MoS. Talk is cheap...and so we've seen.
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2 more months and this f00cker gone.
We have 3 teams playing right now, de men and women Pan Am teams and we senior team, Sancho of all people should know that its very costly to run a team, really, what can US$100,000 cover?
Sancho right to question two things,,,,,, however.....
1. The TTFA is poorly run and manage and the way people get jobs there is crazy.
2. They need to open their books. But according to the TTFA the auditing company is the one they waiting on.
So what Sancho expect?
Is not like they saying no !!!
This is so dam pettie, Sancho is the softest rasta I know.
Actually, they do seem to be saying no. KPMG and Tim-Kee came to the Ministry and explained the delay. Sancho suggested KPMG produce a report for each year from 2008 with information available, so that there is at least some record in income and expenditure. KPMG promised they would deliver each year by a certain date with the final report arriving in July. To date, nothing has been received. Now you could say that maybe KPMG is the problem. However, if your funding is depending on this, surely you would chase them up and report back to the Ministry?
I find Sancho being unfair to ask for report from 2008. Wha, he think Tim Kee found money when he took over in 2012 and holding back?
Sancho probably interested to see what they could squeeze extra from de law suit case.
Tim Kee took over in 2012 and should be responsible from then, that makes more sense.
I dont understand why KPMG taking so long anyway, like de TTFA hiring a next Darren Millien?
Sam, you're kinda missing the point. TTFA need audits from 2012. This is what Sancho wants to see. To obtain these, there has to be continuity from previous years. (debts are carried forward, for example). So KPMG have to start at 2008 so that they can accurately audit 2012. Sancho doesn't give a toss about 2008/9/10/11 but they are a means to an end. So he wants to see that 2012 will actually happen and the way to do that is to request KPMG provide the earlier years as and when they are produced.
FS, as an accountant myself that comment above isn't totally true. Sancho does NOT need the accounts from 2008 going forward. The carry forward (c/f) and/or brought forward (b/f) amounts should suffice when auditing incomplete records; so from the year preceding Tim Kee's appointment is good enough. Sancho is only trying to satisfy his curiosity. He and Tim Kee are playing politics. Tim Kee a little moreso than him. Tim Kee smell blood i.e. that the PP Government is on the backfoot and is trying to capitalise. More reason why the TTFA president and any other head of a sporting body should not be a politician.
That was the explanation provided by KPMG at the meeting. The meeting was to clarify to the Ministry why 2012 & 13 were not available. The only reason Sancho even mentioned 2008 onward is because the production of those would show some progress towards 2012. Or, in other words, given the atmosphere of distrust, even the explanation from KPMG (professional as they are) still did not completely satisfy those present from MoS. Talk is cheap...and so we've seen.
The only reason Sancho even mentioned 2008 onward is because the production of those would show some progress towards 2012.
Preceding 2012 is none of Sancho business as their would have NEVER been proper records. Sancho and the PP members in MoS are fishing for dirt on Warner and trying to sideline Tim Kee. Now I don't like Tim Kee eh, not because I think he's corrupt but because I don't think he should be TTFA president considering his political affiliations no matter who's in power. But yuh boy Sancho have an axe to grind and I ent buying it. I agree that he wants to run it right but he wants it his way with ulterior motives and dat pissing me off!!!!
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Have any of you guys seen Sancho's reply to Tim Kee's "bullying" accusation on Wired868?? If not have a look now. He has just admitted it's about going after Warner and it is a political issue. Two frigging loads of hot cow dung is de best way to describe dem fools. Here it is...http://wired868.com/2015/07/14/sancho-ttfa-president-tim-kee-is-jack-warner-re-incarnated/
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Have any of you guys seen Sancho's reply to Tim Kee's "bullying" accusation on Wired868?? If not have a look now. He has just admitted it's about going after Warner and it is a political issue. Two frigging loads of hot cow dung is de best way to describe dem fools. Here it is...http://wired868.com/2015/07/14/sancho-ttfa-president-tim-kee-is-jack-warner-re-incarnated/
He has just admitted it's about going after Warner Where has he said this? Thommo, you're so keen to prove your point, you're missing the big story...and it is BIG. Tim-Kee knew about at least one suspicious transaction, yet has always denied this. As for politics, hell yeah. Why should Tim-Kee be allowed to take political shots at Sancho without return of fire.
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Very interesting read from mr sancho. Now mr Tim kee it's time to show the books! Talk is cheap, show the books and prove everyone wrong............ I won't hold my breath as he is as transparent as a house brick.
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Sancho: TTFA president Tim Kee is Jack Warner re-incarnated
By Brent Sancho (wired868.com).
Sport Minister Brent Sancho responded to criticism by Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) president Raymond Tim Kee by blasting the management of the football body as well as Tim Kee’s integrity and competence.
The following is the full text from the Sport Minister:
Since my appointment as Minister of Sport (in February 2015), I have been called on time after time to respond to criticism levelled at me by TTFA President Raymond Tim Kee.
In most instances, my responses have been off the cuff statements in response to questions from journalists.
However, I have decided now that it is time to make my position clear, once and for all, and not just correct the misinformation put into the press by Mr Tim Kee, but also ask a few questions of my own.
“The TTFF is the worst-run sporting organisation in Trinidad and Tobago, they flout all rules and procedures. They totally disregard all checks and balances that are here at the Ministry of Sport and the Sport Company. Checks and balances are very important for transparency, accountability and making sure we get value for money. This is taxpayers’ money we are dealing with.”
These are not my words, they’re the words of Minister of Sport Anil Roberts in 2011.
Yet here we are in 2015 and the same rings true. Yet I am accused of bullying Mr Tim Kee.
Mr Tim Kee was an important part of the TTFF administration which was controlled by Jack Warner, the master puppeteer. As a vice-president and, at one point, chairman of TTFF’s finance committee, it is impossible to believe that Mr Tim Kee’s curiosity would not have been aroused by huge transactions entering and departing TTFF accounts under the orders of Mr Warner.
In one such instance in 2008, Mr Tim Kee was copied into an email conversation concerning the distribution of a US$500,000 cheque. This cheque was converted to TT dollars and distributed into three accounts, including two TTFF accounts.
Within 24 hours of these transactions, Mr Warner advised his secretary, “do take note of the amounts which went into the LOC Account as well as the T&TFF’s account both of which must be repaid.” Mr Tim Kee was copied into this conversation.
Such a large transaction should have caused concern, not only because it was originally in US dollars, not only that it was layered into three different accounts, but that Warner was instructing that the money must be repaid.
For what innocent reason would such a transaction occur?
Mr Tim Kee, even as recently as yesterday at an extraordinary general meeting of TTFA, stated that he had no knowledge of any suspect transactions made by Warner.
I am not an investigator. I am not an auditor. There may possibly be a perfectly innocent reason for this transaction.
But because I am not sure, three weeks ago I forwarded this to lawyers in the USA who will now investigate the transaction further.
Our very own FIU laws state that mere knowledge of such a suspicious transaction, if failed to report to the FIU, can result in a fine of TT$3 million AND imprisonment of up to 7 years.
From 2007 to 2009, over TT$17.7 million was paid to Warner controlled accounts from TTFF’s Long Circular Mall Republic Bank account alone, yet Mr Tim Kee, the current PNM Treasurer, was apparently completely oblivious.
And now I have to ask: Is Jack back? Is Mr Tim Kee the new reincarnation of Jack Warner?
Since my tenure as Minister of Sport began in February, I have frequently requested sight of TTFA accounts, which is a stipulation of the cabinet note so often referred to.
I did not insert this condition, but I believe I have a duty to ensure that this condition is met. Still, without sight of the accounts and in the face of several broken TTFA promises, I have continued to fund our National Teams.
Yet everything that goes wrong appears to be my fault. But the truth is that TTFA is poorly run.
Look at the comedy of errors, much of which has been laid at the feet of my Ministry: The visa-debacle, the frantic changes in players, the decision to pay match fees at Pan Am without any agreement from TTOC.
And before that, the Argentina embarrassment, the missing $400,000, the Akeem Adams T-shirt scandal, the players’ Jamaican impasse.
Yet none of these instances were the fault of Mr Tim Kee?
Yet through all of this, our National teams have persevered so that today, we stand proud of our team’s performances at both the Gold Cup and Pan Am.
We now face a period where everything that TTFA say much be examined closely.
Mr Tim Kee’s press release said: “By written communication… the Ministry was alerted to funds available to TTFA from CONCACAF.”
This is true. What Mr Tim Kee doesn’t admit to is that this information was given AFTER the Ministry had paid the air fare for the Gold Cup and AFTER the Ministry had made several direct enquiries.
Mr Tim Kee doesn’t mention that when, on the 25th of June, a TTFA official was asked: “Is it that CONCACAF will take care of internal flights and accommodation during the tournament, but TTFA have to cover travel to and from the tournament?”
The official replied: “That is correct.”
Or that on 28th June, that same TTFA official told PS (Gillian) MacIntyre that US$100,000 would be received from CONCACAF at end of July and was to assist with Gold Cup travel.
Meanwhile I received confirmation from CONCACAF that the funds had already been despatched. Yet still, TTFA continued to request funding from the Ministry, including a request to pay for laundry.
To date, I have paid match fees for Panama, Curacao and Jordan. I have just received a request for US$157,500 match fees for the Gold Cup group stage and US$70,000 for the quarter finals.
So which match fees does the US$33,000 on the TTFA pie chart relate to?
I have gone on record as a former player stating that players deserve the right to earn as much money as possible. However, I do question the right of TTFA to promise match fees and stipends to players that they simply cannot afford to pay.
Watch every word that Tim Kee speaks.
He says TTFA were successful in sourcing alternative funding. Were they?
Apparently, their alternative source of funding is the prize money earned when the players qualified for the Gold Cup.
How can Tim Kee lay claim to sourcing that money? He should be thanking his players for saving his skin. But Mr Tim Kee likes to take the credit rather than accept responsibility.
He says TTFA have reduced debts by $23 million. Well, then show us, Mr Tim Kee.
To my knowledge, $18 million of that debt was to the (2006 World Cup) “SocaWarriors” and was wiped off by the Government.
But, of course, Mr Tim Kee would never admit that.
The rest was paid with FIFA grants supposed to be used for grass roots development.
So, show us the books Mr Tim Kee. Show us where you have actually generated income and paid off your debts.
The truth is that Mr Tim Kee cannot attract any support from corporate T&T aside from some jerseys, bottles of water and Gatorade. Pro League clubs put him to shame. And with such a tiny amount of turnover, the PNM Treasurer still can’t account for his spending or manage to balance his books.
Mr Tim Kee has managed to keep himself in place until November in the hope that the Government changes in September and he will be safe.
Well, Mr Tim Kee, I say to you that with people like you leading the PNM, they will be lucky to retain their deposits. And come (the TTFA elections in) November we will, at last, get to see a truly responsible TTFA who are willing to be transparent and work alongside the Ministry of Sport.
Has there ever been a sporting organisation behave so disrespectfully towards its main sponsor?
And perhaps that explains why Mr Tim Kee cannot attract a dollar in sponsorship to TTFA.
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More reason why the TTFA president and any other head of a sporting body should not be a politician.
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Instead of the he said-he said, I would appreciate if a journalist would really do the research and provide a more impartial view of what's happening between these two gentlemen.
Was TimKee even involved with the TTFF during the2007-09 period when Jack was taking money from the TTFF and putting it into his account? Besides what does being the PNM Treasurer have to do with this? At the least I find it laughable that theMinister would try to invoke Jack Warner when his very party and leader was bosom buddies with Jack and his main beneficiaries during the last election.
Lasana how bout an article that separates the politics and obvious personal animosity and focuses on what the TTFF has received, spent, requested, provided and not provided.
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More reason why the TTFA president and any other head of a sporting body should not be a politician.
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I hailed Sancho's appointment but he's ah imps just like Tim Kee. All he want is he panda Kelvin Jack or FS to get in so dey could do tings there way and I don't mean corruption eh but absolute power to fuel their egos. Look at de timing dem two fools decide to slug it out SMFH :cursing:
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How Tim Kee could be Jack reincarnated?
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Have any of you guys seen Sancho's reply to Tim Kee's "bullying" accusation on Wired868?? If not have a look now. He has just admitted it's about going after Warner and it is a political issue. Two frigging loads of hot cow dung is de best way to describe dem fools. Here it is...http://wired868.com/2015/07/14/sancho-ttfa-president-tim-kee-is-jack-warner-re-incarnated/
you're talking rubbish... everything Sancho said made sense... the reluctance to show the books is indicative of TK and his corruption..
sancho may be pushing it a tad with the 2008 books but besides that it has been reasonable.. long time people calling for a well run transparent ttfa, so why are you falling for TKs tricks?
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I hailed Sancho's appointment but he's ah imps just like Tim Kee. All he want is he panda Kelvin Jack or FS to get in so dey could do tings there way and I don't mean corruption eh but absolute power to fuel their egos. Look at de timing dem two fools decide to slug it out SMFH :cursing:
you want a transparent and accountable ttfa or you want it to continue like this???
The President of the TTFA should be neutral... TK lying throughout and you're mad because Sancho addressing the media... TTFA used a self employed driver who dedicated his time and money to the cause and was never paid and you are complaining about timing???
the players should focus on football and continue to win, it will give them the power and leverage... that's what they need to realize...
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Instead of the he said-he said, I would appreciate if a journalist would really do the research and provide a more impartial view of what's happening between these two gentlemen.
Was TimKee even involved with the TTFF during the2007-09 period when Jack was taking money from the TTFF and putting it into his account? Besides what does being the PNM Treasurer have to do with this? At the least I find it laughable that theMinister would try to invoke Jack Warner when his very party and leader was bosom buddies with Jack and his main beneficiaries during the last election.
Lasana how bout an article that separates the politics and obvious personal animosity and focuses on what the TTFF has received, spent, requested, provided and not provided.
Read it again!!
Mr Tim Kee was an important part of the TTFF administration which was controlled by Jack Warner, the master puppeteer. As a vice-president and, at one point, chairman of TTFF’s finance committee, it is impossible to believe that Mr Tim Kee’s curiosity would not have been aroused by huge transactions entering and departing TTFF accounts under the orders of Mr Warner.
In one such instance in 2008, Mr Tim Kee was copied into an email conversation concerning the distribution of a US$500,000 cheque. This cheque was converted to TT dollars and distributed into three accounts, including two TTFF accounts.
Within 24 hours of these transactions, Mr Warner advised his secretary, “do take note of the amounts which went into the LOC Account as well as the T&TFF’s account both of which must be repaid.” Mr Tim Kee was copied into this conversation.
Such a large transaction should have caused concern, not only because it was originally in US dollars, not only that it was layered into three different accounts, but that Warner was instructing that the money must be repaid.
For what innocent reason would such a transaction occur?
Mr Tim Kee, even as recently as yesterday at an extraordinary general meeting of TTFA, stated that he had no knowledge of any suspect transactions made by Warner.
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I hailed Sancho's appointment but he's ah imps just like Tim Kee. All he want is he panda Kelvin Jack or FS to get in so dey could do tings there way and I don't mean corruption eh but absolute power to fuel their egos. Look at de timing dem two fools decide to slug it out SMFH :cursing:
LOL, Thomo, come in here one day. I ain't got no power! I can't approve projects or make payments. I don't even work for the government! As for timing, well it's election time. Tim-Kee wants to be in the papers attacking Sancho, why the hell should Sancho not fight back?
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Very interesting read from mr sancho. Now mr Tim kee it's time to show the books! Talk is cheap, show the books and prove everyone wrong............ I won't hold my breath as he is as transparent as a house brick.
Mate, can you stop using my phrases please? If Bakes was here he'd be accusing you of being my doppelganger again!
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Lol I do apologise but anyone can talk the talk now it's time for Tim kee to walk the walk and produce the books
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Instead of the he said-he said, I would appreciate if a journalist would really do the research and provide a more impartial view of what's happening between these two gentlemen.
Was TimKee even involved with the TTFF during the2007-09 period when Jack was taking money from the TTFF and putting it into his account? Besides what does being the PNM Treasurer have to do with this? At the least I find it laughable that theMinister would try to invoke Jack Warner when his very party and leader was bosom buddies with Jack and his main beneficiaries during the last election.
Lasana how bout an article that separates the politics and obvious personal animosity and focuses on what the TTFF has received, spent, requested, provided and not provided.
Sancho desperate and talking a big bag of rutten shit. Read Tim Kee interview with Flex (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=64564.msg930416#msg930416), ah mean, I eh go swallow everything Kee say, but d man came in public and said it all, he eh go bold face lie.
Sancho trying to connivence himself and looking to make what he is doing right. Suffer we footballers.
Lasana on de other hand, looking for hits.
I refuse to click on that link.
If he write with facts and give de guys to answer, then ok, but he writing one side stories and then following up with another long ass article with some of de same quotes like de one before.
F00ck off Lasana, we team in de quarters and these kind of junk making it worst.
Get a real f00cking job.
Write about Kamla.
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Did Tim kee speak to flex?? Or was it an email Written by someone else?
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Instead of the he said-he said, I would appreciate if a journalist would really do the research and provide a more impartial view of what's happening between these two gentlemen.
Was TimKee even involved with the TTFF during the2007-09 period when Jack was taking money from the TTFF and putting it into his account? Besides what does being the PNM Treasurer have to do with this? At the least I find it laughable that theMinister would try to invoke Jack Warner when his very party and leader was bosom buddies with Jack and his main beneficiaries during the last election.
Lasana how bout an article that separates the politics and obvious personal animosity and focuses on what the TTFF has received, spent, requested, provided and not provided.
Read it again!!
Mr Tim Kee was an important part of the TTFF administration which was controlled by Jack Warner, the master puppeteer. As a vice-president and, at one point, chairman of TTFF’s finance committee, it is impossible to believe that Mr Tim Kee’s curiosity would not have been aroused by huge transactions entering and departing TTFF accounts under the orders of Mr Warner.
In one such instance in 2008, Mr Tim Kee was copied into an email conversation concerning the distribution of a US$500,000 cheque. This cheque was converted to TT dollars and distributed into three accounts, including two TTFF accounts.
Within 24 hours of these transactions, Mr Warner advised his secretary, “do take note of the amounts which went into the LOC Account as well as the T&TFF’s account both of which must be repaid.” Mr Tim Kee was copied into this conversation.
Such a large transaction should have caused concern, not only because it was originally in US dollars, not only that it was layered into three different accounts, but that Warner was instructing that the money must be repaid.
For what innocent reason would such a transaction occur?
Mr Tim Kee, even as recently as yesterday at an extraordinary general meeting of TTFA, stated that he had no knowledge of any suspect transactions made by Warner.
Look, Sancho still searching for TTFF money and feel Tim Kee thief some.
Tell de 06 Warriors, they getting not a penny more.
Tell Sancho go and fight Jack for they money, he eh go go they though.
Jack will mash up all of them.
Sancho since he was a player was always a trouble maker, thats why his career got over years before his playing days was over, even they club in England didn't like he and Kelvin Jack.
I eh have a problem with them wanting to fight Jack Warner, allyuh go ahead nah.
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Did Tim kee speak to flex?? Or was it an email Written by someone else?
FS, is that you?
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Afraid not mate are you Bakes? Lol I'm an outsider looking in and it seems like the only one trying to ruin football is Tim kee and his side kicks. It's all about scoring points instead of putting the nation on the footballing map. I can guarantee a new man in charge with transparently and corporate TNT will be back on board sponsoring and helping the national teams
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Here is the deal. The players are totally right to grumble for the money owed to them. But this scenario been playing out for a while now. Over a year. They know the impasse between the TFFA/MoS. So what these players should do, is tell TTFA to f--k off, we not playing until we sign a contract. If they don't do that then the players are a gluton for f--kin punishment. You know the TTFA eh have money and your socalled benefactor, the MoS, squeezing Tim Kee balls. What allyuh expect. Tim Kee don't seem to be going anywhere. And Sancho eh budging. So doh play for the national team until things straighten out.
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I know for a fact that the TTFA has given the ministry reports from 2008-2011.
The ramifications coming from the FIFA arrests in May and KPMG being the auditors of FIFA has been halted. However, I know that the TTFA correspondence has been sent to KPMG on several occasions and they remain in contact with the local KPMG auditor.
I mean, what would you like them to do?
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Instead of the he said-he said, I would appreciate if a journalist would really do the research and provide a more impartial view of what's happening between these two gentlemen.
Was TimKee even involved with the TTFF during the2007-09 period when Jack was taking money from the TTFF and putting it into his account? Besides what does being the PNM Treasurer have to do with this? At the least I find it laughable that theMinister would try to invoke Jack Warner when his very party and leader was bosom buddies with Jack and his main beneficiaries during the last election.
Lasana how bout an article that separates the politics and obvious personal animosity and focuses on what the TTFF has received, spent, requested, provided and not provided.
Read it again!!
Mr Tim Kee was an important part of the TTFF administration which was controlled by Jack Warner, the master puppeteer. As a vice-president and, at one point, chairman of TTFF’s finance committee, it is impossible to believe that Mr Tim Kee’s curiosity would not have been aroused by huge transactions entering and departing TTFF accounts under the orders of Mr Warner.
In one such instance in 2008, Mr Tim Kee was copied into an email conversation concerning the distribution of a US$500,000 cheque. This cheque was converted to TT dollars and distributed into three accounts, including two TTFF accounts.
Within 24 hours of these transactions, Mr Warner advised his secretary, “do take note of the amounts which went into the LOC Account as well as the T&TFF’s account both of which must be repaid.” Mr Tim Kee was copied into this conversation.
Such a large transaction should have caused concern, not only because it was originally in US dollars, not only that it was layered into three different accounts, but that Warner was instructing that the money must be repaid.
For what innocent reason would such a transaction occur?
Mr Tim Kee, even as recently as yesterday at an extraordinary general meeting of TTFA, stated that he had no knowledge of any suspect transactions made by Warner.
Look, Sancho still searching for TTFF money and feel Tim Kee thief some.
Tell de 06 Warriors, they getting not a penny more.
Tell Sancho go and fight Jack for they money, he eh go go they though.
Jack will mash up all of them.
Sancho since he was a player was always a trouble maker, thats why his career got over years before his playing days was over, even they club in England didn't like he and Kelvin Jack.
I eh have a problem with them wanting to fight Jack Warner, allyuh go ahead nah.
I think you're mad Sancho hasn't done an interview with Flex. The only reason TK did it was to mamguy Flex and the board... playing the victim, making it seem like he's so transparent, when in fact he was just spouting hot air and nothing in depth..
I also agree Sancho's gripe is with JW, but currently, TK is the man in charge and pulling the strings... he is not performing...
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I know for a fact that the TTFA has given the ministry reports from 2008-2011.
The ramifications coming from the FIFA arrests in May and KPMG being the auditors of FIFA has been halted. However, I know that the TTFA correspondence has been sent to KPMG on several occasions and they remain in contact with the local KPMG auditor.
I mean, what would you like them to do?
what were the reports specifically Flex??
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Raymond Tim Kee (PNM) vs Brent Sancho (PP).
Ok, without picking sides.... A neutral observation.
We have two politicians that is using our football as a battle field. Imagine, we are all caught up in a political battle because of two men. Players are heated, unpaid, coaches to, fans fighting each other, you name it, its a fight that should not involve us. If they want to go at each other, then take it off the field.
Politicians all over the world are causing havoc on their respected countries and T&T is no different. In-fact, its the worst I've seen in a while.
Tim Kee (TTFA) is basically saying that KPMG is the problem because they have halted on the audit and they have no control over that.
My question, can they get another auditing company? I know the TTFA did send audit (The 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011) to the MOS.
Brent Sancho wants the TTFA to be more transparent and is saying that he will strangle the TTFA until an audit is completed.
In the meantime, our football teams and staff members are the ones suffering the most. Now these teams have NOTHING TO DO WITH NEITHER OF THEM or the current situation.
Who are the winners here?
Why not call in Tim Kee and you guys sit down like respectable adults and find a solution to move forward instead of this back and forth battle that will affect EVERYONE and without any gain?
Find a solution, not a problem?
1. New auditing company, maybe Sancho could recommend one?
2. Sancho terms as far as money is concern.
3. How much will be allowed per-year.
4. Tim Kee assurance to cooperate and find other outlets to help source the TTFA.
5. Leave the politics out of our football.
6. The TTFA need to stop last minute planning and then expecting last minute funds.
7. The MOS need to be on time with disbursement of funds.
8. The TTFA must be open and better run in terms of players handling, games, visas, etc etc.
9. ?
10?
11?
12?
I mean, these are some topics they can work on.
Tim Kee is here already and will be until next election don't matter the outcome of this battle and Sancho will be here until next election don't matter whats the outcome?
I believe someone in a higher position needs to step in and do something. This is ridiculous from two grown men.
I don't see how not giving funds to the TTFA will affect Tim Kee? the worst can happen is he step down but then what? Does Sancho has a suitable replacement? Will he give unlimited funds to the new president? Is his riff with Tim Kee personal? what caused this?
As for the new constitution, a president can only serve two terms and the TTFA election is suppose to be in November. And the voting panel has opened up where many others can vote unlike before where is was set up for the ruling party was assured victory.
Why can't these two gentlemen take the battle to the voting polls?
And lets just get behind the teams, at least for now. November is only a few months away?
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Flex yuh spot on ...!!!! Another troubling aspect is ..... these are supposedly 2 intelligent , albeit rational adult men behaving like .?? like they on steroids or had some serious bay rum to drink .. if they are both serious and solution oriented ... there can be no doubt that they ought to sit down as intelligent / rational men , . to find ways to resolve these outstanding issues as it relates to funding and all other concerns !! It is my hope good reason prevail between all the parties involved..
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Raymond Tim Kee (PNM) vs Brent Sancho (PP).
Ok, without picking sides.... A neutral observation.
We have two politicians that is using our football as a battle field. Imagine, we are all caught up in a political battle because of two men. Players are heated, unpaid, coaches to, fans fighting each other, you name it, its a fight that should not involve us. If they want to go at each other, then take it off the field.
Politicians all over the world are causing havoc on their respected countries and T&T is no different. In-fact, its the worst I've seen in a while.
Tim Kee (TTFA) is saying basically saying that KPMG is the problem because they have halted on the audit and they have no control over that.
My question, can they get another auditing company? I know the TTFA did send audit (The 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011) to the MOS.
Brent Sancho wants the TTFA to be more transparent and is saying that he will strangle the TTFA until an audit is completed.
In the meantime, our football teams and staff members are the ones suffering the most. Now these teams have NOTHING TO DO WITH NEITHER OF THEM or the current situation.
Who are the winners here?
Why not call in Tim Kee and you guys sit down like respectable adults and find a solution to move forward instead of this back and forth battle that will affect EVERYONE and without any gain?
Find a solution, not a problem?
1. New auditing company, maybe Sancho could recommend one?
2. Sancho terms as far as money is concern.
3. How much will be allowed per-year.
4. Tim Kee assurance to cooperate and find other outlets to help source the TTFA.
5. Leave the politics out of our football.
6. The TTFA need to stop last minute planning and then expecting last minute funds.
7. The MOS need to be on time with disbursement of funds.
8. The TTFA must be open and better run in terms of players handling, games, visas, etc etc.
9. ?
10?
11?
12?
I mean, these are some topics they can work on.
Tim Kee is here already and will be until next election don't matter the outcome of this battle and Sancho will be here until next election don't matter whats the outcome?
I believe someone in a higher position needs to step in and do something. This is ridiculous from two grown men.
I don't see how not giving funds to the TTFA will affect Tim Kee? the worst can happen is he step down but then what? Does Sancho has a suitable replacement? Will he give unlimited funds to the new president? Is his riff with Tim Kee personal? what caused this?
As for the new constitution, a president can only serve two terms and the TTFA election is suppose to be in November. And the voting panel has opened up where many others can vote unlike before where is was set up for the ruling party was assured victory.
Why can't these two gentlemen take the battle to the voting polls?
And lets just get behind the teams, at least for now. November is only a few months away?
I don't understand, if the MOS received the audits for those years, why are you suggesting another auditing firm?
One minute I'm hearing TTFA didn't produce any audit documents and now I'm hearing they gave the audited documents... Is there proof of this?
Where is the proof of this by the TTFA? FS can you verify that Sancho and the MOS have received the necessary documents and if they did, why are we still bickering about this?
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Okay just read FS and Sams exchange.. So Sancho wants 2008 and 2012 documents... Which is reasonable.. 5 years of docs normally give you a good financial picture about the organization..
The halting of the audit can create problems.. Maybe they can seek another firm to audit the books, the question is will TTFA do this?
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Make those reports public. I haven't seen anything confirming complete reports were received.
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This has escalated steadily and now they've put themselves into positions they can't back out of - either of them will willingly back down now - there's too much that's been said. The election might or might not solve this, and the TTFA elections might also. KPMG are a very respectable company when it comes to auditing so I'm not sure changing them will help.
The only way to keep politics out is to bar any executive member of the TTFA from holding public office, past or present and have a formalised relationship with the Ministry with mutual commitments clearly defined contractually
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I know for a fact that the TTFA has given the ministry reports from 2008-2011.
The ramifications coming from the FIFA arrests in May and KPMG being the auditors of FIFA has been halted. However, I know that the TTFA correspondence has been sent to KPMG on several occasions and they remain in contact with the local KPMG auditor.
I mean, what would you like them to do?
This is important to know and talk about - you know for a fact meaning outside of the TTFA? So the implication is that Sancho is lying? Or that he's unhappy with them?
Were these reports done by KPMG or internally?
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In a mature society, why should any qualified individual be barred from partaking in national politics and serving his or her country? It is ones constitutional right and some may say even duty to serve.
If these are the measures we have to go through, then making this restriction will not solve anything in T&T. please put some thought into this.
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In a mature society, why should any qualified individual be barred from partaking in national politics and serving his or her country? It is ones constitutional right and some may say even duty to serve.
If these are the measures we have to go through, then making this restriction will not solve anything in T&T. please put some thought into this.
It could be that not holding political office concurrently with holding office at an NSO is reasonable public policy. But, having held political office (and being therefore identified with one party or another) should not preclude subsequent holding of office at an NSO.
In addition, we should consider that in the public interest, it is also desirable to have a broad swathe of representation rather than concentrated representation featuring a familiar parade of recurring personalities. This impacts public discourse and more likely encourages diffused and dispersed viewpoints in the governance matrix.
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One question - Does the MoS have any intention of paying back the government the money received for the2006 WC? Does the Mos intent to abide by the agreement which was made public that this money was intended to be paid back on the contingency that the said players received money owing to them form the Special Advior to the TTFF at the time?
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Okay just read FS and Sams exchange.. So Sancho wants 2008 and 2012 documents... Which is reasonable.. 5 years of docs normally give you a good financial picture about the organization..
The halting of the audit can create problems.. Maybe they can seek another firm to audit the books, the question is will TTFA do this?
This also reasonable?
One question - Does the MoS have any intention of paying back the government the money received for the2006 WC? Does the Mos intent to abide by the agreement which was made public that this money was intended to be paid back on the contingency that the said players received money owing to them form the Special Advior to the TTFF at the time?
There are no winners at this time- the losers - our football programs and the players.
All this smells of another deflection to steer awayfromthe i competence and lack of directives of this present governance.
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Flex, I think the majority of what you ask/suggest falls on part of the Federation.. planning, accountability, being self sufficient, etc - If we are to believe the ministry, that is what they expect and as a tax paying public, shouldn't we too?
'best case scenario' (for many here) and a new gov't is installed in the fall.. I don't see anything new happening in terms of the federation. There are areas they could be working on improving now and they are not (forget funding). yes $$ may be available, but a PNM govt will require even stricter protocol (PNM will satisfy to the nation that they are accountable) to get said funding and the federation will not be ready to live by such rules.
I personally have no faith in this federation and it's leader/s. They are too quick to pass the blame and NEVER man the f**k up.
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This is an excellent post Flex.
However, I can't see a truce, both men are stubborn old men.
My question is.
1. How much should be the government contribute to football in T&T.
2. And what is the TTFA contributions to football in T&T.
3. What are the TTFA plans to be a little self sufficient? how can they beg for money everyday?
It has been 3 years since Tim Kee came onboard and the TTFA can't get one single sponsor as far as money is concern.
And now the ministry know they need the support and is using it against them.
Politics at its best.
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This is an excellent post Flex.
However, I can't see a truce, both men are stubborn old men.
My question is.
1. How much should be the government contribute to football in T&T.
2. And what is the TTFA contributions to football in T&T.
3. What are the TTFA plans to be a little self sufficient? how can they beg for money everyday?
It has been 3 years since Tim Kee came onboard and the TTFA can't get one single sponsor as far as money is concern.
And now the ministry know they need the support and is using it against them.
Politics at its best.
The TTFA are doing themselves no favours by hiding and lying to the MOS. Before they answered to no one, now they have to answer in terms of where the money is spent.
If they can't handle responsibility and don't want to be accountable leave the post and let someone who is willing to work with the government run our football that is neutral.
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In a mature society, why should any qualified individual be barred from partaking in national politics and serving his or her country? It is ones constitutional right and some may say even duty to serve.
If these are the measures we have to go through, then making this restriction will not solve anything in T&T. please put some thought into this.
It could be that not holding political office concurrently with holding office at an NSO is reasonable public policy. But, having held political office (and being therefore identified with one party or another) should not preclude subsequent holding of office at an NSO.
In addition, we should consider that in the public interest, it is also desirable to have a broad swathe of representation rather than concentrated representation featuring a familiar parade of recurring personalities. This impacts public discourse and more likely encourages diffused and dispersed viewpoints in the governance matrix.
:beermug:
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In a mature society, why should any qualified individual be barred from partaking in national politics and serving his or her country? It is ones constitutional right and some may say even duty to serve.
If these are the measures we have to go through, then making this restriction will not solve anything in T&T. please put some thought into this.
They're not - they may happily vote, but it's not an unreasonable request of a body who regularly deal with ever-changing governments and whose governing body requires political neutrality to require its executives to be politically neutral. In fact, this requirement is fairly common in some industries (esp. charities) in the UK - you can't be mixing politics with entities who rely extensively on a democratically elected government's funding.
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In a mature society, why should any qualified individual be barred from partaking in national politics and serving his or her country? It is ones constitutional right and some may say even duty to serve.
If these are the measures we have to go through, then making this restriction will not solve anything in T&T. please put some thought into this.
They're not - they may happily vote, but it's not an unreasonable request of a body who regularly deal with ever-changing governments and whose governing body requires political neutrality to require its executives to be politically neutral. In fact, this requirement is fairly common in some industries (esp. charities) in the UK - you can't be mixing politics with entities who rely extensively on a democratically elected government's funding.
:beermug:
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In a mature society, why should any qualified individual be barred from partaking in national politics and serving his or her country? It is ones constitutional right and some may say even duty to serve.
If these are the measures we have to go through, then making this restriction will not solve anything in T&T. please put some thought into this.
True- each and every individual has that democratic right to partake in politics of his/ her choice. Does a mature intelligent individual who is guided my ethical and moral principles join in with politics which appear to be composed of incompetent ministers , ministers involved in unethical and immoral actions, a government masked with allegations of corruption and ministries in disarray?
In my opinion I dontthonk that the condemnation is one of the individual but rather of the individual's choice of political affinity given the climate surrounding that governance- but at the end of the day the individual still has the pregorative to chose as he/ she wish.
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it got to be extremely difficult to audit books that Jack cook.Yuh need some forensics
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it got to be extremely difficult to audit books that Jack cook.Yuh need some forensics
forensics?!! you mean phensics!!
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I know for a fact that the TTFA has given the ministry reports from 2008-2011.
The ramifications coming from the FIFA arrests in May and KPMG being the auditors of FIFA has been halted. However, I know that the TTFA correspondence has been sent to KPMG on several occasions and they remain in contact with the local KPMG auditor.
I mean, what would you like them to do?
This is important to know and talk about - you know for a fact meaning outside of the TTFA? So the implication is that Sancho is lying? Or that he's unhappy with them?
Were these reports done by KPMG or internally?
I think FS is checking on the matter. But yes, the TTFA did send them reports from such dates.
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Captain Jones calls for unity between TTFA and Sport Minister.
By Ian Prescott (Express).
Get serious
SOCA WARRIORS captain Kenwyne Jones is urging the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) and current Sport Minister Brent Sancho to end hostilities in the interest of football.
Both parties have made accusations, while the TTFA has claimed victimisation. Minister Sancho has periodically withheld payment and team funding for various reasons. A week ago, Sancho declared the Sport Ministry would not entertain any further football funding requests unless the TTFA is transparent, and accounts for previous funds.
Prior to becoming Sport Minister recently, Sancho had a long-running fight with the football body, as a prominent member of the 2006 World Cup team which took the governing body to court over playing bonuses.
Jones hinted that once again the team is affected, with the players reported not to have been paid tournament match fees, while the TTFA awaits funding from the Ministry.
“Hopefully things will be sorted out,” Jones said. “It hasn't been sorted yet, but we will see what happens. We can't go forward like this into an entire World Cup campaign basically scraping the barrel.
We have to be well-prepared.”
Following Trinidad and Tobago's run to the quarter-finals of this year's CONCACAF Gold Cup, where they went out 6-5 on spot-kicks to Panama on Sunday, Jones said continued development required both parties to cooperate.
In four Gold Cup matches, T&T were bested by none of their opponents in open play. They beat Guatemala (3-1), Cuba (2-0) and drew with Mexico (4-4) and Panama (1-1). These are some of the same opponents the Soca Warriors will face when they enter the fourth (semi-final) round of CONCACAF qualifying for the 2018 World Cup in November.
Already through to the fourth round of World Cup qualifying are five 2015 Gold Cup quarter-finalists: Costa Rica, Mexico, United States, Panama and Trinidad and Tobago, along with Honduras. Caribbean champions Jamaica and other teams are still trying to make it to the 12-team semi-final round.
The draw for the fourth round will be held on July, 25, at the Konstantinovsky Palace in Strelna, St Petersburg, Russia. Teams will be drawn into three four-team, home-and-away round-robin groups with games taking place between November 2015 and September 2016.
“The prospect for this team can be good depending on which of the relative bodies decide to sort themselves out and help us with a good preparation,” Jones said. “Once the funding is right we will do okay.
“If that doesn't happen, we will just be trying to make miracles happen with the two loaves and the five fishes,” he added.
Captain defends players.
“These players, they didn't rob anybody, they just missed a penalty kick,” declared Trinidad and Tobago captain Kenwyne Jones, following Trinidad and Tobago's 6-5 penalty kicks defeat to Panama at the quarter-final stage of the 2015 CONCACAFGold Cup.
A hundred and twenty minutes earlier, the teams were deadlocked at 1-1 before Daneil Cyrus, Sheldon Bateau and Joevin Jones—all of whom will still only be just 24 years old in two weeks—missed from the spot. It took the Soca Warriors almost an hour after the Panamanians, to emerge from the dressing room following the defeat. Defender Sheldon Bateau had a particularly pained look on his face, long after his unfortunate miss.
“These are young players,” Jones continued, explaining that the country should not beat them up for their mistakes. “It's a lot of new players, so hopefully it will make them stronger in the future,” he said.
Jones, who scored from open play and spot kicks against Panama, also missed a penalty when the Soca Warriors lost the 2014 Caribbean Cup final 4-3 on spot kicks to Jamaica.
“It's ironic,” Jones added. “We lost the Caribbean Cup on penalties, and we also went out here on penalties.”
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Sancho replaces Griffith
Persad-Bissessar also last night announced that Sport Minister Brent Sancho had been given the nod for the Toco/Sangre Grande seat, replacing Dr Rupert Griffith.
Apart from Sancho, she said Dr David Lee had also got the screening committee’s nod to replace Errol McLeod in Pointe-a-Pierre while Fuad Khan (Barataria/San Juan), Dr Suruj Rambachan (Tabaquite), Vasant Bharath (St Joseph) will get the chance to recontest their seat.
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Sancho hails coach Hart, Soca Warriors effort
By JOEL BAILEY (Newsday).
BRENT SANCHO, ex-Trinidad and Tobago football team defender and current Minister of Sport, is pleased with the efforts shown by the current national squad at the CONCACAF Gold Cup in the United States.
The Stephen Hart-coached team lost 6-5, via kicks from the penalty spot, against Panama on Sunday evening, in their quarter-final match at New Jersey, United States. The scoreline was 1-1 at the end of regulation and extra times, but the Panama team held their nerves in the shootout.
“It’s a heartbreaking loss for us,” said Sancho, during a telephone interview yesterday. “Once you get to that stage of the game, when you go to penalty kicks, it was a lottery.
“All in all, I think coach Hart and the players will be very proud of their performances. They’ve done extremely well in terms of the performances that they put forward.”
Commenting on the on-field display against Panama, as a former national player, the 37-year-old Sancho stated, “going into the game, I read comments that coach Hart was willing to possess the ball a little more, and we fell short in that department.
“Although we played very well in the early games, for some reason against Panama, we didn’t seem to possess the ball as well as we had before,” he continued. “I don’t think the midfielders played as well as they had during the tournament. Because of that, we found ourselves in a position where we were chasing the Panamanians around the pitch.
“Once it got to extra time, we looked a (less fitter) team. But, then again, we’ve put in so many remarkable performances during the course of the tournament, to have us slip up at that point was a bit unfortunate. It’s nothing for them to drop their heads for.”
Sancho added, “We’ve done exceedingly well and I think going forward, I’d love to see coach Hart have a discussion with the (Trinidad and Tobago) Football Association, where they do give him the type of practice games and the type of backing that he deserves, so he can prepare the team for the World Cup.”
The national team, known as the Soca Warriors, were blighted by funding issues before the Gold Cup, particularly payment to the members of the technical staff.
Sancho pointed out, “the undertaking that the Government has taken in terms of making sure that the staff was and has been paid, and also the players, has absolutely nothing to do with the Ministry at all. In fact, we’ve paid everything that we’ve supposed to pay.
“Whatever we haven’t paid is in the process of being paid,” he added. “So they were, up until November of last year, basically guaranteed a salary. So I believe we made them very comfortable, in terms of the monies used for making sure that their preparations for the Gold Cup were there. In terms of the actual preparations, I think that’s a matter for the Football Association to answer.”
The Sports Minister went on to say, “taking my Ministerial hat off for a second, I did think it was not necessarily a good idea spending a lot of the budgeted money, or the ‘sent money’ from Cabinet to go all the way to Jordan to play a game. I think it could have been better used. I’m not the one who decides who we play or who we don’t play.”
The national team will now turn their attention towards the start of the CONCACAF qualification stage, for the 2018 FIFA World Cup in Russia.
But Sancho emphasised that the TTFA will have to be more serious in their dealings with the Ministry, in terms of accountability.
“I’ll make it abundantly clear whatever (issue) between myself and the president of the Football Association is between myself and him. It has nothing to do with the players,” he stressed. “We continue to pay the players’ salary. We still continue to pay directly to the players and directly to the coaching staff.
“What we’re asking for is transparency and accountability with the Football Association. I find it a bit confusing and even disrespectful to know that they can make a statement as such, knowing fully well that this Government and this Ministry has fully supported, financially, all of their endeavours.”
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Unfortunately KJ, this unity thing is not going to happen. So it is up to the players to decide to either walk, play for your clubs only, or accept the status quo until after the elections.
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KJ should understand Sancho will not be Sports Minister after Sep 7th
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KJ should understand Sancho will not be Sports Minister after Sep 7th
Don't be so sure!
With the amount of folks from India, Guyana and elsewhere that the PP government have been regularising for the past year and giving housing to in the marginals seats, I won't be surprised if the PP government is able to steal the elections despite their massive unpopularity with real Trinbagonians who genuinely care about the country's future.
Trinidadians who want to get rid of the corrupt PP government need to ensure that they are all registered to vote and that all is in order with their names being on the EBC electorial list by this Thursday 23rd July latest.
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^^ watch de ride Socapro ;D
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KJ should understand Sancho will not be Sports Minister after Sep 7th
Don't be so sure!
With the amount of folks from India, Guyana and elsewhere that the PP government have been regularising for the past year and giving housing to in the marginals seats, I won't be surprised if the PP government is able to steal the elections despite their massive unpopularity with real Trinbagonians who genuinely care about the country's future.
Trinidadians who want to get rid of the corrupt PP government need to ensure that they are all registered to vote and that all is in order with their names being on the EBC electorial list by this Thursday 23rd July latest.
Get rid of one corrupt regime for another... How do you quantify the lesser of the two evils when looking at platform and performance. If PNM win I sure as hell don't want Tim lee as our president of ttfa...
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Tim kee wants to be Minister of Sports. Same ole sane ole- Same khaki pants. The more things change the more they remain the same.
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Tim kee wants to be Minister of Sports. Same ole sane ole- Same khaki pants. The more things change the more they remain the same.
See what happens when you drink too much Puncheon :)
So Tim Kee want to be Minister of Sports and Mayor of POS at the same time :rotfl:
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Tim kee wants to be Minister of Sports. Same ole sane ole- Same khaki pants. The more things change the more they remain the same.
See what happens when you drink too much Puncheon :)
So Tim Kee want to be Minister of Sports and Mayor of POS at the same time :rotfl:
ah waiting for the blight to wash away, this dark ominous cloud is hanging over our football, it's like in the cartoons when the cartoon character have a rain cloud following him over his head, well that is our football...
TK and the rest are that cloud... the football need a bush bath... come the agm ah praying someone penetrate those regional boards and get their vote so TK is gone and is replaced with someone who could work with the government and move our football forward...
wcq coming and we still lingering like a rotten fart in a wasteland of disorganization... time to get we house in order
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Mos- who? No one has the key! But the capt right- time fur grown men to stop the sheet- fuh ah minister to get caught up onthe ame calling and power play shows a political immaturity.
Leh he go fuh Toco dem people should vote he arse out
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Tim Kee refuses Sancho meeting; accused of using footballers as political pawns
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868.com)
Sport Minister Brent Sancho has accused Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) president Raymond Tim Kee and, by extension, the opposition PNM party of using national football players as political pawns, as the ill-will between the two bodies appeared to reach a new low in midweek.
Sancho alleged that, on Wednesday morning, Tim Kee, who is also the PNM treasurer and Port of Spain Mayor, came to the Sport Ministry and stayed only long enough to say that he would not meet the Minister. Then he left.
Remarkably, the meeting was meant to finalise issues related to payment for the Trinidad and Tobago Women’s National Senior Team and Men’s Under-23 Team, as well as to discuss the upcoming Russia 2018 World Cup campaign and the Women’s Under-17 and Under-20 Caribbean Football Union (CFU) qualifiers.
“The PS (Gillian Macintyre) told me that Tim Kee didn’t want to meet (with me) because I have a litigative matter against him,” Sancho told Wired868. “I found it odd since there were matters that needed urgent attention. They have athletes out there (at the Toronto Pan American Games) who are not receiving money and threatening to strike but they are showing no urgency. It took their representatives two weeks to come in and meet with us.
“We had worked on a projected budget for the 2018 World Cup that we wanted to discuss (with the TTFA) as the campaign is about to begin…”
Wired868 tried repeatedly to contact Tim Kee without success. TTFA general secretary Sheldon Phillips accompanied Tim Kee to the Sport Ministry on Wednesday but did not want to discuss their meeting.
“I would rather you get those answers from Raymond,” said Phillips. “Anything regarding what took place in that meeting, I would rather come from him.”
Wired868 asked if he denied the Sport Minister’s account regarding Tim Kee’s stated refusal to meet with him.
“No,” said Phillips.
Tim Kee’s alleged refusal to meet Sancho was notable for several reasons:
The Sport Ministry pays all the TTFA’s coaches and funds its various teams;
At least four active national football teams rely on State funding at present;
The 2006 World Cup bonus dispute has not been before the courts in over two years and is dormant;
Tim Kee has officially met Sancho on many previous occasions while the court case was in exactly the same position;
The current “Soca Warriors” captain Kenwyne Jones is also a litigant against the TTFA and was the football body’s 2013 Player of the Year despite the unresolved court case;
And, it was Tim Kee who requested the meeting with the Sport Ministry on Wednesday, after initially failing to respond to an invitation from the Ministry for over a week.
In the midst of the 2015 CONCACAF Gold Cup tournament, Tim Kee surprised the Warriors technical staff and Ministry of Sport by endorsing a press release that accused Sancho of bullying the football body and poisoning relations between the two entities.
Sancho, who will contest the Toco/Sangre Grande seat at the General Elections on September 7, said he suspects that dirty politics are at play.
“I am suspicious about what is transpiring (because) why would you not want to have discussions when you have players who are basically stranded?” asked Sancho. “The only reasonable explanation I can think of is that Raymond is trying to use the athletes as political pawns.
“When you listen to what is being said on the political platform where (PNM candidate) Camille Robinson-Regis is talking about Central FC (a Pro League club formerly run by Sancho) and me hating football. And suddenly Raymond doesn’t want to sit down to try to solve things for the TTFA’s benefit…
“It doesn’t correlate… Or maybe they do not want to tell us what happened to the CONCACAF money.”
The last TTFA press release, which targeted the Sport Minister’s behaviour, followed Sancho’s suggestion that the football body received Gold Cup appearance money, which was undeclared to the Ministry.
“The whole thing started when we found out they got US$100,000 and didn’t tell us about it,” said Sancho. “They did a pie chart after that which said that US$33,000 was spent on match fees. But over the past six months, we paid every single match fee and stipend (for the TTFA).
“So where did that money really go?”
Phillips confirmed that the TTFA did collect Gold Cup preparation funding but insisted the body did nothing untoward and can account for its spending.
On Friday afternoon, there was another surprise for the Ministry of Sport as the Trinidad and Tobago Women’s National Under-20 Team jetted off to St Vincent for CFU action without State funding.
“I found it a bit strange that they didn’t ask for funding for the (Women’s) Under-20 Team because, over the course of this year, we have paid for every single team that left these shores barring the TTOC’s teams,” Sancho told Wired868. “We have paid 90 percent of the operation cost for all national teams, including travel, accommodation, coaches’ salaries and match fees.
“All of a sudden, despite saying they spent all the money they received from CONCACAF and the fact that the General Secretary said they only had TT$30,000 in their account just over a month ago, they found the money to send their team to St Vincent.
“How much money did they really receive from Concacaf?”
Sancho said the Ministry of Sport will do its best to ensure that football does not suffer as a result of his soured relations with Tim Kee. However, he suggested that the process of supporting national football teams might be slowed as a result.
“I think he is trying to provoke a fight but I am going to continue to pay the athletes and the staff,” Sancho told Wired868. “I will pay the Gold Cup team and Pan Am teams as we said we would. And then we want to see how they spent (their Gold Cup money).
“I was hoping we could have some mature discussion but, if he refuses to meet with me, I don’t see how we can move forward. It is hard to tell what happens now as we were trying to meet to put forward some sort of resolution and direction.”
The “Women Soca Warriors” begin their 2016 Olympic qualifying campaign next month while the Men’s Senior Team plays Mexico in an international friendly on September 4 in Salt Lake City, Utah.
It is uncertain if the funding for either event will be jeopardised by the TTFA’s apparent position at present. Or if, like with the Women’s Under-20 Team, the football body proves that it can be resourceful when necessary.
The September 7 general elections and the TTFA’s internal elections, tentatively carded for November, are likely to have an important bearing on the future administrative relationship between the two bodies.
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Tim Kee refuses Sancho meeting; accused of using footballers as political pawns
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868.com)
Sport Minister Brent Sancho has accused Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) president Raymond Tim Kee and, by extension, the opposition PNM party of using national football players as political pawns, as the ill-will between the two bodies appeared to reach a new low in midweek.
Sancho allegedly that, on Wednesday morning, Tim Kee, who is also the PNM treasurer and Port of Spain Mayor, came to the Sport Ministry and stayed only long enough to say that he would not meet the Minister. Then he left.
Look if the two ah dem have personal issues deal with it instead of mudslinging and like two nene carrying on with the BS and trying to score points. Our players have shown they are above the BS
Riciculous that ah so called minister acting like ah tanty man claiming that it is an issue with the PNM,! This is typical UNC kaka from the onset blaming PNM- the fight here is he and Tim Kee allyuh duke it out but keep the players and politics out of allyu sissy man game - Grow up and do what's right for TnT football
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Tim Kee refuses Sancho meeting; accused of using footballers as political pawns
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868.com)
Sport Minister Brent Sancho has accused Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) president Raymond Tim Kee and, by extension, the opposition PNM party of using national football players as political pawns, as the ill-will between the two bodies appeared to reach a new low in midweek.
Sancho allegedly that, on Wednesday morning, Tim Kee, who is also the PNM treasurer and Port of Spain Mayor, came to the Sport Ministry and stayed only long enough to say that he would not meet the Minister. Then he left.
Look if the two ah dem have personal issues deal with it instead of mudslinging and like two nene carrying on with the BS and trying to score points. Our players have shown they are above the BS
Riciculous that ah so called minister acting like ah tanty man claiming that it is an issue with the PNM,! This is typical UNC kaka from the onset blaming PNM- the fight here is he and Tim Kee allyuh duke it out but keep the p,ayers and politics out of allyu sissy man game - Grow up and do what's right for TnT football
Don't be ridiculous, TK walk out and didn't meet, that is not Sancho fault..
The WC qualifying campaign coming up and the man walk out the meeting?
What kind of games TK playing, he is destroying our football... I can't wait till they get rid of him..
This meeting could have been the first steps to getting our prep and 3 games, but of course, TK intent on destroying our football because he on this politics vibe..
Yet we have die hard PNM supporters on here that won't touch this topic and claim TK and PNM love football and want progress..
If they wanted progress, TK would have sat down and swallowed his pride and worked it out setting the ground work for our World Cup qualifying..
No President of TTFA should be a partisan supporter or hold office as a member of a political party, it should be neutral..
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Leh meh say dis to Minister Sancho and Mayor Tim kee.... If either one of you want to fight go do so outside . buss each other lips if yuh want , but hear dis we doh care about what political party yuh belong to or are affiliated wth !! UNC or PNM ah could care less . Stop the B/S and all the political games .. It is time to take the partisan politics out of the football .. In other words Stop de F xxx ery . we tired of it
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Tim Kee refuses Sancho meeting; accused of using footballers as political pawns
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868.com)
Sport Minister Brent Sancho has accused Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) president Raymond Tim Kee and, by extension, the opposition PNM party of using national football players as political pawns, as the ill-will between the two bodies appeared to reach a new low in midweek.
Sancho allegedly that, on Wednesday morning, Tim Kee, who is also the PNM treasurer and Port of Spain Mayor, came to the Sport Ministry and stayed only long enough to say that he would not meet the Minister. Then he left.
Look if the two ah dem have personal issues deal with it instead of mudslinging and like two nene carrying on with the BS and trying to score points. Our players have shown they are above the BS
Riciculous that ah so called minister acting like ah tanty man claiming that it is an issue with the PNM,! This is typical UNC kaka from the onset blaming PNM- the fight here is he and Tim Kee allyuh duke it out but keep the p,ayers and politics out of allyu sissy man game - Grow up and do what's right for TnT football
Don't be ridiculous, TK walk out and didn't meet, that is not Sancho fault..
The WC qualifying campaign coming up and the man walk out the meeting?
What kind of games TK playing, he is destroying our football... I can't wait till they get rid of him..
This meeting could have been the first steps to getting our prep and 3 games, but of course, TK intent on destroying our football because he on this politics vibe..
Yet we have die hard PNM supporters on here that won't touch this topic and claim TK and PNM love football and want progress..
If they wanted progress, TK would have sat down and swallowed his pride and worked it out setting the ground work for our World Cup qualifying..
No President of TTFA should be a partisan supporter or hold office as a member of a political party, it should be neutral..
Who itchng yuh arse? Yuh EH see the reference to the fact that both ah dem should grow up and put the hatchet aside and do what is right for TnT football!
Me EH have to be another one to get on yuh arse about your rant about TK - I doh care - I was simply responding to a minister who should stop jumping at conclusions that TK 's actions are precipitated by political affiliations - stop blaming PNM and allyuh act like big men and settle the score. Just maybe these two men EH like each other regardless of political allegiances. read the article again was it not alleged that Sancho was the one who made the conclusion thatTk's actions were by extension tattoo the PNM?what was the basis for that thinking?
Contro yuhgetting to quick at defending yuh own political affinities- go piss yuh yellow trite in a corner and be objective nah.
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These two men politicking with the football. All we want is for them to act as two objective men and deal with the football business. Both men in politics. I don't care who they are affiliated with politically; I want them to fund the football and give Stephen Hart the resources he needs to prepare this team for the qualifiers. This is damn shit now. We have a good coach that the players want to play for; people observing that we have a philosophy as to how we want to play. If we keep this shit up, Hart will have no choice but to walk. He's been very patient thus far. Something gotta give after this election, for the sake of our football.
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These two men politicking with the football. All we want is for them to act as two objective men and deal with the football business. Both men in politics. I don't care who they are affiliated with politically; I want them to fund the football and give Stephen Hart the resources he needs to prepare this team for the qualifiers. This is damn shit now. We have a good coach that the players want to play for; people observing that we have a philosophy as to how we want to play. If we keep this shit up, Hart will have no choice but to walk. He's been very patient thus far. Something gotta give after this election, for the sake of our football.
This thing needs be settled soon, we need to lock down those qualifiers..
Right now we have a chance to make it to Russia and politics is messing this up..
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Tim Kee refuses Sancho meeting; accused of using footballers as political pawns
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868.com)
Sport Minister Brent Sancho has accused Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) president Raymond Tim Kee and, by extension, the opposition PNM party of using national football players as political pawns, as the ill-will between the two bodies appeared to reach a new low in midweek.
Sancho allegedly that, on Wednesday morning, Tim Kee, who is also the PNM treasurer and Port of Spain Mayor, came to the Sport Ministry and stayed only long enough to say that he would not meet the Minister. Then he left.
Look if the two ah dem have personal issues deal with it instead of mudslinging and like two nene carrying on with the BS and trying to score points. Our players have shown they are above the BS
Riciculous that ah so called minister acting like ah tanty man claiming that it is an issue with the PNM,! This is typical UNC kaka from the onset blaming PNM- the fight here is he and Tim Kee allyuh duke it out but keep the p,ayers and politics out of allyu sissy man game - Grow up and do what's right for TnT football
Don't be ridiculous, TK walk out and didn't meet, that is not Sancho fault..
The WC qualifying campaign coming up and the man walk out the meeting?
What kind of games TK playing, he is destroying our football... I can't wait till they get rid of him..
This meeting could have been the first steps to getting our prep and 3 games, but of course, TK intent on destroying our football because he on this politics vibe..
Yet we have die hard PNM supporters on here that won't touch this topic and claim TK and PNM love football and want progress..
If they wanted progress, TK would have sat down and swallowed his pride and worked it out setting the ground work for our World Cup qualifying..
No President of TTFA should be a partisan supporter or hold office as a member of a political party, it should be neutral..
Who itchng yuh arse? Yuh EH see the reference to the fact that both ah dem should grow up and put the hatchet aside and do what is right for TnT football!
Me EH have to be another one to get on yuh arse about your rant about TK - I doh care - I was simply responding to a minister who should stop jumping at conclusions that TK 's actions are precipitated by political affiliations - stop blaming PNM and allyuh act like big men and settle the score. Just maybe these two men EH like each other regardless of political allegiances. read the article again was it not alleged that Sancho was the one who made the conclusion thatTk's actions were by extension tattoo the PNM?what was the basis for that thinking?
Contro yuhgetting to quick at defending yuh own political affinities- go piss yuh yellow trite in a corner and be objective nah.
Have you ever heard the saying.. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink?
Well TK is that horse, but it's almost like beating a dead horse to get him to perform and do well for our football
He needs to go, I not on the politics but his games is politically driven.. And it's affecting our football.. Whether you like to admit it or not..
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What a bam c!!!!!
Just when you think it couldn't get any worse, up steps tanty tim tee and proves you wrong. Put down the ttfa presidency tanty, and step away from it. Your services are no longer needed. However short lived your tenure as president should be, your legacy will always be remembered as "the reign of the lame brain"
What a f%&king disaster you turned out to be....
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Honestly, I don't know who talking the truth here!!
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I ent believe none ah dem. Every story have two sides and we only hearing Sancho at the minute. Two bloody imps!!
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I ent believe none ah dem. Every story have two sides and we only hearing Sancho at the minute. Two bloody imps!!
Breds, I can't believe TK that bone-headed or stupid, or both. But then again, I remember I being dotish at times. But not all the time.
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Openly accused lying
Not so openly accused misappropriation of funds
No more money
Team does good
Let's talk Budget
........but....wait....
Lying....... Misappropriation of funds
We suddenly willing to give dat man money
Why
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Openly accused lying
Not so openly accused misappropriation of funds
No more money
Team does good
Let's talk Budget
........but....wait....
Lying....... Misappropriation of funds
We suddenly willing to give dat man money
Why
was that ever the issue? maybe I missed something, but I believe they always wanted 'accounting' for funds.. still the case and quite rightly so.
forget kams and rowley.. would love to see the minister and kimmy face off for the public in front of the public - once and for all. he say she say, he did , you did - kinda facking stale now.
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I ent believe none ah dem. Every story have two sides and we only hearing Sancho at the minute. Two bloody imps!!
But Sheldon confirmed the facts.
Everyone here saying "stop the politics" and accusing Sancho of holding football to ransom, holding up payments etc. Now, look here. Trying to plan in advance for Russia 2018 campaign yet Tim-Kee selects his own date and time for a meeting, actually appears at the Ministry just to say he ain't meeting you? And now Sancho behaving like an imp?
Suppose he never made this press release and next thing we find there is no funding for 2018? Whose ass yuh gonna whip? Sancho?
You're right about this having to stop. I can't realistically see Sancho inviting Tim-Kee to another meeting. At least Sheldon Phillips was man enough to sit down and discuss our world cup planning.
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I ent believe none ah dem. Every story have two sides and we only hearing Sancho at the minute. Two bloody imps!!
But Sheldon confirmed the facts.
Everyone here saying "stop the politics" and accusing Sancho of holding football to ransom, holding up payments etc. Now, look here. Trying to plan in advance for Russia 2018 campaign yet Tim-Kee selects his own date and time for a meeting, actually appears at the Ministry just to say he ain't meeting you? And now Sancho behaving like an imp?
Suppose he never made this press release and next thing we find there is no funding for 2018? Whose ass yuh gonna whip? Sancho?
You're right about this having to stop. I can't realistically see Sancho inviting Tim-Kee to another meeting. At least Sheldon Phillips was man enough to sit down and discuss our world cup planning.
Thank you FS for shedding some light on the matter... Did Sheldon talk about the 3 remaiining friendlies we need to organize?
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Openly accused lying
Not so openly accused misappropriation of funds
No more money
Team does good
Let's talk Budget
........but....wait....
Lying....... Misappropriation of funds
We suddenly willing to give dat man money
Why
was that ever the issue? maybe I missed something, but I believe they always wanted 'accounting' for funds.. still the case and quite rightly so.
yes, but dem fellas coulda try and workout dat shit out long time..........instead of d backs and forth......and the point still stands......why a budget now.....with said issues still hangin over head
forget kams and rowley.. would love to see the minister and kimmy face off for the public in front of the public - once and for all. he say she say, he did , you did - kinda facking stale now.
would not be opposed to this
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I find this a bit strange.
So he went to the Ministry to tell them that he is not going to meet with the Minister ??? That don't sound right. Something else at play there !!!
If he was not going to meet with the Minister then why did he go there in the first place ??????
Waiting to hare from Tim Kee.....
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I find this a bit strange.
So he went to the Ministry to tell them that he is not going to meet with the Minister ??? That don't sound right. Something else at play there !!!
If he was not going to meet with the Minister then why did he go there in the first place ??????
Waiting to hare from Tim Kee.....
We only hearing one side of the story right now. I expect 'Football Supporter' to defend his boy Sancho so now I waiting to hear from Tim Kee.
Anyway what is most important to Football fans is to have the right preparation for our national men and women teams as they move forward.
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I find this a bit strange.
So he went to the Ministry to tell them that he is not going to meet with the Minister ??? That don't sound right. Something else at play there !!!
If he was not going to meet with the Minister then why did he go there in the first place ??????
Waiting to hare from Tim Kee.....
We only hearing one side of the story right now. I expect 'Football Supporter' to defend his boy Sancho so now I waiting to hear from Tim Kee.
Anyway what is most important to Football fans is to have the right preparation for our national men and women teams as they move forward.
Obviously I will have a bias towards Sancho. But, remember, I was there. When Tim-Kee told the PS that he wouldn't meet with Sancho, we were amazed and we met and decided that we wouldn't take the bait and the meeting would go ahead without the Minister. When the PS and I went to find Tim-Kee, Sheldon said he had left! I have no idea why he did this, but look: PS invited RTK to discuss U23 payments on July 12th. No reply. Another invite was sent. RTK rejected the meeting and requested another date. PS agreed. Then RTK actually attends the Ministry and refuses to meet with Minister. Then, when Minister ok's the meeting without him, RTK gone home.
I will add that Sancho was initially furious with RTK. As the main sponsor of TTFA, he felt he deserved more respect, whatever the political situation.
But Phillips didn't deny Sancho's claim:
TTFA general secretary Sheldon Phillips accompanied Tim Kee to the Sport Ministry on Wednesday but did not want to discuss their meeting.
“I would rather you get those answers from Raymond,” said Phillips. “Anything regarding what took place in that meeting, I would rather come from him.”
Wired868 asked if he denied the Sport Minister’s account regarding Tim Kee’s stated refusal to meet with him.
“No,” said Phillips.
Anyway what is most important to Football fans is to have the right preparation for our national men and women teams as they move forward. Clearly RTK isn't in agreement with you!
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I find this a bit strange.
So he went to the Ministry to tell them that he is not going to meet with the Minister ??? That don't sound right. Something else at play there !!!
If he was not going to meet with the Minister then why did he go there in the first place ??????
Waiting to hare from Tim Kee.....
We only hearing one side of the story right now. I expect 'Football Supporter' to defend his boy Sancho so now I waiting to hear from Tim Kee.
Anyway what is most important to Football fans is to have the right preparation for our national men and women teams as they move forward.
Obviously I will have a bias towards Sancho. But, remember, I was there. When Tim-Kee told the PS that he wouldn't meet with Sancho, we were amazed and we met and decided that we wouldn't take the bait and the meeting would go ahead without the Minister. When the PS and I went to find Tim-Kee, Sheldon said he had left! I have no idea why he did this, but look: PS invited RTK to discuss U23 payments on July 12th. No reply. Another invite was sent. RTK rejected the meeting and requested another date. PS agreed. Then RTK actually attends the Ministry and refuses to meet with Minister. Then, when Minister ok's the meeting without him, RTK gone home.
I will add that Sancho was initially furious with RTK. As the main sponsor of TTFA, he felt he deserved more respect, whatever the political situation.
But Phillips didn't deny Sancho's claim:
TTFA general secretary Sheldon Phillips accompanied Tim Kee to the Sport Ministry on Wednesday but did not want to discuss their meeting.
“I would rather you get those answers from Raymond,” said Phillips. “Anything regarding what took place in that meeting, I would rather come from him.”
Wired868 asked if he denied the Sport Minister’s account regarding Tim Kee’s stated refusal to meet with him.
“No,” said Phillips.
Anyway what is most important to Football fans is to have the right preparation for our national men and women teams as they move forward. Clearly RTK isn't in agreement with you!
I was going to post the Possible scenarios for the breakdown before FS's reply....(check out 1 and 2)
1. The meeting was to be with the P.S. and the Minister invited himself so Tim Kee refused
2. The meeting was delayed and Mr. Tim Kee found that he was waiting too long
3. Something was said while waiting that offended Mr. Tim Kee
4. The agenda for the meeting was different that what Mr. Tim Kee was prepared for
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I find this a bit strange.
So he went to the Ministry to tell them that he is not going to meet with the Minister ??? That don't sound right. Something else at play there !!!
If he was not going to meet with the Minister then why did he go there in the first place ??????
Waiting to hare from Tim Kee.....
We only hearing one side of the story right now. I expect 'Football Supporter' to defend his boy Sancho so now I waiting to hear from Tim Kee.
Anyway what is most important to Football fans is to have the right preparation for our national men and women teams as they move forward.
Obviously I will have a bias towards Sancho. But, remember, I was there. When Tim-Kee told the PS that he wouldn't meet with Sancho, we were amazed and we met and decided that we wouldn't take the bait and the meeting would go ahead without the Minister. When the PS and I went to find Tim-Kee, Sheldon said he had left! I have no idea why he did this, but look: PS invited RTK to discuss U23 payments on July 12th. No reply. Another invite was sent. RTK rejected the meeting and requested another date. PS agreed. Then RTK actually attends the Ministry and refuses to meet with Minister. Then, when Minister ok's the meeting without him, RTK gone home.
I will add that Sancho was initially furious with RTK. As the main sponsor of TTFA, he felt he deserved more respect, whatever the political situation.
But Phillips didn't deny Sancho's claim:
TTFA general secretary Sheldon Phillips accompanied Tim Kee to the Sport Ministry on Wednesday but did not want to discuss their meeting.
“I would rather you get those answers from Raymond,” said Phillips. “Anything regarding what took place in that meeting, I would rather come from him.”
Wired868 asked if he denied the Sport Minister’s account regarding Tim Kee’s stated refusal to meet with him.
“No,” said Phillips.
Anyway what is most important to Football fans is to have the right preparation for our national men and women teams as they move forward. Clearly RTK isn't in agreement with you!
I was going to post the Possible scenarios for the breakdown before FS's reply....(check out 1 and 2)
1. The meeting was to be with the P.S. and the Minister invited himself so Tim Kee refused
2. The meeting was delayed and Mr. Tim Kee found that he was waiting too long
3. Something was said while waiting that offended Mr. Tim Kee
4. The agenda for the meeting was different that what Mr. Tim Kee was prepared for
As Richard Pryor would have said: None of the Above lol
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WAKE ME UP WHEN SANKO GONE. TIM KEY MORE DIFFICULT TO BE RID OFF.
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WAKE ME UP WHEN SANKO GONE. TIM KEY MORE DIFFICULT TO BE RID OFF.
and kimmy dun know this.
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I find this a bit strange.
So he went to the Ministry to tell them that he is not going to meet with the Minister ??? That don't sound right. Something else at play there !!!
If he was not going to meet with the Minister then why did he go there in the first place ??????
Waiting to hare from Tim Kee.....
We only hearing one side of the story right now. I expect 'Football Supporter' to defend his boy Sancho so now I waiting to hear from Tim Kee.
Anyway what is most important to Football fans is to have the right preparation for our national men and women teams as they move forward.
Obviously I will have a bias towards Sancho. But, remember, I was there. When Tim-Kee told the PS that he wouldn't meet with Sancho, we were amazed and we met and decided that we wouldn't take the bait and the meeting would go ahead without the Minister. When the PS and I went to find Tim-Kee, Sheldon said he had left! I have no idea why he did this, but look: PS invited RTK to discuss U23 payments on July 12th. No reply. Another invite was sent. RTK rejected the meeting and requested another date. PS agreed. Then RTK actually attends the Ministry and refuses to meet with Minister. Then, when Minister ok's the meeting without him, RTK gone home.
I will add that Sancho was initially furious with RTK. As the main sponsor of TTFA, he felt he deserved more respect, whatever the political situation.
But Phillips didn't deny Sancho's claim:
TTFA general secretary Sheldon Phillips accompanied Tim Kee to the Sport Ministry on Wednesday but did not want to discuss their meeting.
“I would rather you get those answers from Raymond,” said Phillips. “Anything regarding what took place in that meeting, I would rather come from him.”
Wired868 asked if he denied the Sport Minister’s account regarding Tim Kee’s stated refusal to meet with him.
“No,” said Phillips.
Anyway what is most important to Football fans is to have the right preparation for our national men and women teams as they move forward. Clearly RTK isn't in agreement with you!
I was going to post the Possible scenarios for the breakdown before FS's reply....(check out 1 and 2)
1. The meeting was to be with the P.S. and the Minister invited himself so Tim Kee refused
2. The meeting was delayed and Mr. Tim Kee found that he was waiting too long
3. Something was said while waiting that offended Mr. Tim Kee
4. The agenda for the meeting was different that what Mr. Tim Kee was prepared for
As Richard Pryor would have said: None of the Above lol
LOL OK !!!
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RTK is just a figurehead anyway... I'm glad Sheldon stuck around as he is the guy that is in charge of planning etc.... I really hope F.S and Sancho will work with Sheldon to get the games required for September and October.
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Sound like Tim Kee walking around in a constant state of being offended.
If he can't put aside personal feelings to do the job then just get out.
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Sound like Tim Kee walking around in a constant state of being offended.
If he can't put aside personal feelings to do the job then just get out.
LOL. Did you see his statement on Friday concerning the prison break? Went something like: "Doh worry, I've got extra security to cover me. By the way, it will be difficult to get out of Port of Spain as it's on lock down."
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Too many men wearing too many hats.
Tim Kee - PNM Treasurer, POS Mayor, and TTFA President.
The last two are definitely full-time jobs on their own, and the first one further complicates things with the PNM in opposition.
Brent Sancho - Minister of Sport, UNC Political Aspirant, 2006 WC Crusader against the TTFA
The first two are compatible as it's a political position, but the last one is a serious conflict of interest and it's pretty clear has interfered with his relationship with the TTFA. On top of the fact, given the PNM/UNC animosity and we have both at either end, there is little to no hope of resolution given the political agendas.
I don't see anything changing unless the PNM wins the next election.
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Too many men wearing too many hats.
Tim Kee - PNM Treasurer, POS Mayor, and TTFA President.
The last two are definitely full-time jobs on their own, and the first one further complicates things with the PNM in opposition.
Brent Sancho - Minister of Sport, UNC Political Aspirant, 2006 WC Crusader against the TTFA
The first two are compatible as it's a political position, but the last one is a serious conflict of interest and it's pretty clear has interfered with his relationship with the TTFA. On top of the fact, given the PNM/UNC animosity and we have both at either end, there is little to no hope of resolution given the political agendas.
I don't see anything changing unless the PNM wins the next election.
Right. and Sancho will not be Minister of Sport after Sept 7th. Watch and see what will happen
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Too many men wearing too many hats.
Tim Kee - PNM Treasurer, POS Mayor, and TTFA President.
The last two are definitely full-time jobs on their own, and the first one further complicates things with the PNM in opposition.
Brent Sancho - Minister of Sport, UNC Political Aspirant, 2006 WC Crusader against the TTFA
The first two are compatible as it's a political position, but the last one is a serious conflict of interest and it's pretty clear has interfered with his relationship with the TTFA. On top of the fact, given the PNM/UNC animosity and we have both at either end, there is little to no hope of resolution given the political agendas.
I don't see anything changing unless the PNM wins the next election.
Right. and Sancho will not be Minister of Sport after Sept 7th. Watch and see what will happen
Ok, you may get your wish and Sancho will be gone. What then? Who can you see in the PNM camp who would make a good Minister of Sport? And bear in mind that a good Minister of Sport may not be interested in spending $25 million a year on football!
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Too many men wearing too many hats.
Tim Kee - PNM Treasurer, POS Mayor, and TTFA President.
The last two are definitely full-time jobs on their own, and the first one further complicates things with the PNM in opposition.
Brent Sancho - Minister of Sport, UNC Political Aspirant, 2006 WC Crusader against the TTFA
The first two are compatible as it's a political position, but the last one is a serious conflict of interest and it's pretty clear has interfered with his relationship with the TTFA. On top of the fact, given the PNM/UNC animosity and we have both at either end, there is little to no hope of resolution given the political agendas.
I don't see anything changing unless the PNM wins the next election.
Right. and Sancho will not be Minister of Sport after Sept 7th. Watch and see what will happen
If TK remains and PNM wins, the situation will be worse.. No accountability and transparency...
TK will do as he pleases and not even account to the footballing public.. Be careful what you guys wish for..
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Too many men wearing too many hats.
Tim Kee - PNM Treasurer, POS Mayor, and TTFA President.
The last two are definitely full-time jobs on their own, and the first one further complicates things with the PNM in opposition.
Brent Sancho - Minister of Sport, UNC Political Aspirant, 2006 WC Crusader against the TTFA
The first two are compatible as it's a political position, but the last one is a serious conflict of interest and it's pretty clear has interfered with his relationship with the TTFA. On top of the fact, given the PNM/UNC animosity and we have both at either end, there is little to no hope of resolution given the political agendas.
I don't see anything changing unless the PNM wins the next election.
Right. and Sancho will not be Minister of Sport after Sept 7th. Watch and see what will happen
Ok, you may get your wish and Sancho will be gone. What then? Who can you see in the PNM camp who would make a good Minister of Sport? And bear in mind that a good Minister of Sport may not be interested in spending $25 million a year on football!
See what you fail to understand is the Minister of Sport is a managerial position of T&T Sporting affairs. You don't have to be someone popular, you dont need to be a former athlete. So when you ask "who do I see" well I see different people. Not because they never scored an own goal in a World Cup mean they are not good enough to be Minister of Sport. Talk done
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Too many men wearing too many hats.
Tim Kee - PNM Treasurer, POS Mayor, and TTFA President.
The last two are definitely full-time jobs on their own, and the first one further complicates things with the PNM in opposition.
Brent Sancho - Minister of Sport, UNC Political Aspirant, 2006 WC Crusader against the TTFA
The first two are compatible as it's a political position, but the last one is a serious conflict of interest and it's pretty clear has interfered with his relationship with the TTFA. On top of the fact, given the PNM/UNC animosity and we have both at either end, there is little to no hope of resolution given the political agendas.
I don't see anything changing unless the PNM wins the next election.
Right. and Sancho will not be Minister of Sport after Sept 7th. Watch and see what will happen
Ok, you may get your wish and Sancho will be gone. What then? Who can you see in the PNM camp who would make a good Minister of Sport? And bear in mind that a good Minister of Sport may not be interested in spending $25 million a year on football!
See what you fail to understand is the Minister of Sport is a managerial position. You don't have to be someone popular, you dont need to be a former athlete. So when you ask "who do I see" well I see different people. Not because they never scored an own goal in a World Cup mean they are not good enough to be Minister of Sport. Talk done
So you support TK and his nonsense? If he has someone who is aligned to him, they will keep him in check, like what is happening now..
Giving free rein to a man like TK will take our football back into the dark ages..
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^ Contro I have been ignoring you. You should know by now you have a reputation for spilling your guts and nothing of substance come out. Who the hell is keeping Tim Kee in check NOW? eh? who?
Another question who is keeping the bacchanalist Sancho in check eh? who? Now think before you answer for once
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^ Contro I have been ignoring you. You should know by now you have a reputation for spilling your guts and nothing of substance come out. Who the hell is keeping Tim Kee in check NOW? eh? who?
Another question who is keeping the bacchanalist Sancho in check eh? who? Now think before you answer for once
Are you sure you are not looking in the mirror?
Nothing of substance coming out? That's a joke, because many things I have suggested for our football, has come to pass, our coach being one of the many things of substance.. But this is not about me and your ignorance..
It's about TK, and the fact he can't run our football, Sancho is keeping him in check, because TK can't get away with anything, anymore, he has to answer to the public and government ... He is under the microscope and is being exposed for his incompetence on a weekly basis..
Sancho has the public to answer to, he has also been criticized on numerous occasions and knows he also has to perform but he is not the Prez of TTFA, TK is and is doing nothing to improve our football, he was forced to reform the constitution and if he didn't, he would be under the same scrutiny just like JW...
So I ask you again, if PNM wins and TK gets even more autocratic in his reign... Would your assertions be of any substance?
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Too many men wearing too many hats.
Tim Kee - PNM Treasurer, POS Mayor, and TTFA President.
The last two are definitely full-time jobs on their own, and the first one further complicates things with the PNM in opposition.
Brent Sancho - Minister of Sport, UNC Political Aspirant, 2006 WC Crusader against the TTFA
The first two are compatible as it's a political position, but the last one is a serious conflict of interest and it's pretty clear has interfered with his relationship with the TTFA. On top of the fact, given the PNM/UNC animosity and we have both at either end, there is little to no hope of resolution given the political agendas.
I don't see anything changing unless the PNM wins the next election.
Right. and Sancho will not be Minister of Sport after Sept 7th. Watch and see what will happen
but how does that help our football? will 'sponsors' then jump on board? will there then be proper accounting and accountability? It's a culture of mismanagement thats killing our football. We seem to be working on the bad product we had on the field, but the back office needs drastic help. Not to mention the RELIANCE on Gov't - PNM, UNC.. whomever!
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^ Contro I have been ignoring you. You should know by now you have a reputation for spilling your guts and nothing of substance come out. Who the hell is keeping Tim Kee in check NOW? eh? who?
Another question who is keeping the bacchanalist Sancho in check eh? who? Now think before you answer for once
Are you sure you are not looking in the mirror?
Nothing of substance coming out? That's a joke, because many things I have suggested for our football, has come to pass, our coach being one of the many things of substance.. But this is not about me and your ignorance..
It's about TK, and the fact he can't run our football, Sancho is keeping him in check, because TK can't get away with anything, anymore, he has to answer to the public and government ... He is under the microscope and is being exposed for his incompetence on a weekly basis..
Sancho has the public to answer to, he has also been criticized on numerous occasions and knows he also has to perform but he is not the Prez of TTFA, TK is and is doing nothing to improve our football, he was forced to reform the constitution and if he didn't, he would be under the same scrutiny just like JW...
So I ask you again, if PNM wins and TK gets even more autocratic in his reign... Would your assertions be of any substance?
This is when I leave this conversation and let you continue to expose yourself. Seems like he is keeping the non- progress of our Football in check :D
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Too many men wearing too many hats.
Tim Kee - PNM Treasurer, POS Mayor, and TTFA President.
The last two are definitely full-time jobs on their own, and the first one further complicates things with the PNM in opposition.
Brent Sancho - Minister of Sport, UNC Political Aspirant, 2006 WC Crusader against the TTFA
The first two are compatible as it's a political position, but the last one is a serious conflict of interest and it's pretty clear has interfered with his relationship with the TTFA. On top of the fact, given the PNM/UNC animosity and we have both at either end, there is little to no hope of resolution given the political agendas.
I don't see anything changing unless the PNM wins the next election.
Right. and Sancho will not be Minister of Sport after Sept 7th. Watch and see what will happen
but how does that help our football? will 'sponsors' then jump on board? will there then be proper accounting and accountability? It's a culture of mismanagement thats killing our football. We seem to be working on the bad product we had on the field, but the back office needs drastic help. Not to mention the RELIANCE on Gov't - PNM, UNC.. whomever!
Simple as a, b,c. No sponsor is going to jump on board when you have a Minister of Sport beefing with a sporting body President. So I agreed with the poster I quoted when he said nothing will change unless the PNM wins. Because only then you will most likely have two men or a man and woman (MOS and TTFF Prez) working hand in hand.
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^ Contro I have been ignoring you. You should know by now you have a reputation for spilling your guts and nothing of substance come out. Who the hell is keeping Tim Kee in check NOW? eh? who?
Another question who is keeping the bacchanalist Sancho in check eh? who? Now think before you answer for once
Are you sure you are not looking in the mirror?
Nothing of substance coming out? That's a joke, because many things I have suggested for our football, has come to pass, our coach being one of the many things of substance.. But this is not about me and your ignorance..
It's about TK, and the fact he can't run our football, Sancho is keeping him in check, because TK can't get away with anything, anymore, he has to answer to the public and government ... He is under the microscope and is being exposed for his incompetence on a weekly basis..
Sancho has the public to answer to, he has also been criticized on numerous occasions and knows he also has to perform but he is not the Prez of TTFA, TK is and is doing nothing to improve our football, he was forced to reform the constitution and if he didn't, he would be under the same scrutiny just like JW...
So I ask you again, if PNM wins and TK gets even more autocratic in his reign... Would your assertions be of any substance?
This is when I leave this conversation and let you continue to expose yourself :D
yuh leave the conversation because you have no clue what the hell you're talking about...
continue your canvassing campaign and see if it gets our football anywhere...
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Too many men wearing too many hats.
Tim Kee - PNM Treasurer, POS Mayor, and TTFA President.
The last two are definitely full-time jobs on their own, and the first one further complicates things with the PNM in opposition.
Brent Sancho - Minister of Sport, UNC Political Aspirant, 2006 WC Crusader against the TTFA
The first two are compatible as it's a political position, but the last one is a serious conflict of interest and it's pretty clear has interfered with his relationship with the TTFA. On top of the fact, given the PNM/UNC animosity and we have both at either end, there is little to no hope of resolution given the political agendas.
I don't see anything changing unless the PNM wins the next election.
Right. and Sancho will not be Minister of Sport after Sept 7th. Watch and see what will happen
but how does that help our football? will 'sponsors' then jump on board? will there then be proper accounting and accountability? It's a culture of mismanagement thats killing our football. We seem to be working on the bad product we had on the field, but the back office needs drastic help. Not to mention the RELIANCE on Gov't - PNM, UNC.. whomever!
Simple as a, b,c. No sponsor is going to jump on board when you have a Minister of Sport beefing with a sporting body President. So I agreed with the poster I quoted when he said nothing will change unless the PNM wins. Because only then you will most likely have two men or a man and woman (MOS and TTFF Prez) working hand in hand.
you're talking rubbish, the lack of sponsorship has nothing to do with Sancho, it is all TK and the TTFA, they don't trust..
continue to fool yourself into believing the sponsors are not coming on board because of Sancho, what a farce...
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Too many men wearing too many hats.
Tim Kee - PNM Treasurer, POS Mayor, and TTFA President.
The last two are definitely full-time jobs on their own, and the first one further complicates things with the PNM in opposition.
Brent Sancho - Minister of Sport, UNC Political Aspirant, 2006 WC Crusader against the TTFA
The first two are compatible as it's a political position, but the last one is a serious conflict of interest and it's pretty clear has interfered with his relationship with the TTFA. On top of the fact, given the PNM/UNC animosity and we have both at either end, there is little to no hope of resolution given the political agendas.
I don't see anything changing unless the PNM wins the next election.
Right. and Sancho will not be Minister of Sport after Sept 7th. Watch and see what will happen
Ok, you may get your wish and Sancho will be gone. What then? Who can you see in the PNM camp who would make a good Minister of Sport? And bear in mind that a good Minister of Sport may not be interested in spending $25 million a year on football!
See what you fail to understand is the Minister of Sport is a managerial position of T&T Sporting affairs. You don't have to be someone popular, you dont need to be a former athlete. So when you ask "who do I see" well I see different people. Not because they never scored an own goal in a World Cup mean they are not good enough to be Minister of Sport. Talk done
Well, no, talk ain't done. So you're seeing different people who are managers, but not sportsmen or women? Fair enough. Maybe we can get another $3 million flagpole.
What you fail to realise is that Minister of Sport is not quite a managerial position. That belongs to the P.S. who is legally responsible for spending. The Minister is like a company Chairman while the P.S. is the General Secretary. The Minister has policies he would like to see, but the P.S. will decide if they are possible. So, a "manager" would not be ideal as a Minister. You need someone with a bit of vision and someone with sporting knowledge.
For example, for the last 20 years we've been building community grounds to the same designs. (Both PNM and PP). Those designs are useless. Yet nobody bothered to look at them before work started. The Brian Lara ground in Santa Cruz is a great example. The dressing rooms were far too small. When we visited the site we couldn't believe that the builder had never even consulted an athlete. Any facility put forward by Sancho will not only be athlete driven, but also income generating.
But, yeah, let's prey we don't get another athlete (of either political party) as a Minister of Sport.
smh next thing you'll ask for a Minister of Education who can't read or a Minister of Youth and Gender who's a paedophile and hates women.
Talk done now.
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SP.. sponsors will want accountability for their $$. But it easier to blame cricket.
I mentioned before.. a PNM Minister Of Sport will be even tougher on Kimmy when it comes to giving out money as a PNM gov't will want to prove to the public that they are not like the previous administration - show that they care about tax payers money.
But we fickle.. if we win a few games in qualifying.. $$ will flood een! The bandwaggonist syndrome!
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Too many men wearing too many hats.
Tim Kee - PNM Treasurer, POS Mayor, and TTFA President.
The last two are definitely full-time jobs on their own, and the first one further complicates things with the PNM in opposition.
Brent Sancho - Minister of Sport, UNC Political Aspirant, 2006 WC Crusader against the TTFA
The first two are compatible as it's a political position, but the last one is a serious conflict of interest and it's pretty clear has interfered with his relationship with the TTFA. On top of the fact, given the PNM/UNC animosity and we have both at either end, there is little to no hope of resolution given the political agendas.
I don't see anything changing unless the PNM wins the next election.
Right. and Sancho will not be Minister of Sport after Sept 7th. Watch and see what will happen
but how does that help our football? will 'sponsors' then jump on board? will there then be proper accounting and accountability? It's a culture of mismanagement thats killing our football. We seem to be working on the bad product we had on the field, but the back office needs drastic help. Not to mention the RELIANCE on Gov't - PNM, UNC.. whomever!
Simple as a, b,c. No sponsor is going to jump on board when you have a Minister of Sport beefing with a sporting body President. So I agreed with the poster I quoted when he said nothing will change unless the PNM wins. Because only then you will most likely have two men or a man and woman (MOS and TTFF Prez) working hand in hand pocket.
Fixed it for you!
Just a little test: How many millions of dollars has Tim-Kee brought into football since 2010? Now the same question for Sancho. And you still can't see the problem is Tim-Kee?
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SP.. sponsors will want accountability for their $$. But it easier to blame cricket.
I mentioned before.. a PNM Minister Of Sport will be even tougher on Kimmy when it comes to giving out money as a PNM gov't will want to prove to the public that they are not like the previous administration - show that they care about tax payers money.
But we fickle.. if we win a few games in qualifying.. $$ will flood een! The bandwaggonist syndrome!
It's not so easy, Jumbie. Sancho was determined not to be seen as Minister of Football, yet he still gets licks for demanding accountability!!
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Too many men wearing too many hats.
Tim Kee - PNM Treasurer, POS Mayor, and TTFA President.
The last two are definitely full-time jobs on their own, and the first one further complicates things with the PNM in opposition.
Brent Sancho - Minister of Sport, UNC Political Aspirant, 2006 WC Crusader against the TTFA
The first two are compatible as it's a political position, but the last one is a serious conflict of interest and it's pretty clear has interfered with his relationship with the TTFA. On top of the fact, given the PNM/UNC animosity and we have both at either end, there is little to no hope of resolution given the political agendas.
I don't see anything changing unless the PNM wins the next election.
Right. and Sancho will not be Minister of Sport after Sept 7th. Watch and see what will happen
Ok, you may get your wish and Sancho will be gone. What then? Who can you see in the PNM camp who would make a good Minister of Sport? And bear in mind that a good Minister of Sport may not be interested in spending $25 million a year on football!
See what you fail to understand is the Minister of Sport is a managerial position of T&T Sporting affairs. You don't have to be someone popular, you dont need to be a former athlete. So when you ask "who do I see" well I see different people. Not because they never scored an own goal in a World Cup mean they are not good enough to be Minister of Sport. Talk done
Well, no, talk ain't done. So you're seeing different people who are managers, but not sportsmen or women? Fair enough. Maybe we can get another $3 million flagpole.
What you fail to realise is that Minister of Sport is not quite a managerial position. That belongs to the P.S. who is legally responsible for spending. The Minister is like a company Chairman while the P.S. is the General Secretary. The Minister has policies he would like to see, but the P.S. will decide if they are possible. So, a "manager" would not be ideal as a Minister. You need someone with a bit of vision and someone with sporting knowledge.
For example, for the last 20 years we've been building community grounds to the same designs. (Both PNM and PP). Those designs are useless. Yet nobody bothered to look at them before work started. The Brian Lara ground in Santa Cruz is a great example. The dressing rooms were far too small. When we visited the site we couldn't believe that the builder had never even consulted an athlete. Any facility put forward by Sancho will not only be athlete driven, but also income generating.
But, yeah, let's prey we don't get another athlete (of either political party) as a Minister of Sport.
smh next thing you'll ask for a Minister of Education who can't read or a Minister of Youth and Gender who's a paedophile and hates women.
Talk done now.
thank you FS :beermug:
Sando is a hypocrite.. hes defending his political party because he stands too gain something from supporting them.. despite the fact that TK is poison for our football...
btw i endorse a MOS who has knowledge of sport and knows what athletes want... unlike Sando, he wants a partisan stooge like TK who doesn't give a damn about our football and he proved that when he walked out the office
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Too many men wearing too many hats.
Tim Kee - PNM Treasurer, POS Mayor, and TTFA President.
The last two are definitely full-time jobs on their own, and the first one further complicates things with the PNM in opposition.
Brent Sancho - Minister of Sport, UNC Political Aspirant, 2006 WC Crusader against the TTFA
The first two are compatible as it's a political position, but the last one is a serious conflict of interest and it's pretty clear has interfered with his relationship with the TTFA. On top of the fact, given the PNM/UNC animosity and we have both at either end, there is little to no hope of resolution given the political agendas.
I don't see anything changing unless the PNM wins the next election.
Right. and Sancho will not be Minister of Sport after Sept 7th. Watch and see what will happen
Ok, you may get your wish and Sancho will be gone. What then? Who can you see in the PNM camp who would make a good Minister of Sport? And bear in mind that a good Minister of Sport may not be interested in spending $25 million a year on football!
See what you fail to understand is the Minister of Sport is a managerial position of T&T Sporting affairs. You don't have to be someone popular, you dont need to be a former athlete. So when you ask "who do I see" well I see different people. Not because they never scored an own goal in a World Cup mean they are not good enough to be Minister of Sport. Talk done
Well, no, talk ain't done. So you're seeing different people who are managers, but not sportsmen or women? Fair enough. Maybe we can get another $3 million flagpole.
What you fail to realise is that Minister of Sport is not quite a managerial position. That belongs to the P.S. who is legally responsible for spending. The Minister is like a company Chairman while the P.S. is the General Secretary. The Minister has policies he would like to see, but the P.S. will decide if they are possible. So, a "manager" would not be ideal as a Minister. You need someone with a bit of vision and someone with sporting knowledge.
For example, for the last 20 years we've been building community grounds to the same designs. (Both PNM and PP). Those designs are useless. Yet nobody bothered to look at them before work started. The Brian Lara ground in Santa Cruz is a great example. The dressing rooms were far too small. When we visited the site we couldn't believe that the builder had never even consulted an athlete. Any facility put forward by Sancho will not only be athlete driven, but also income generating.
But, yeah, let's prey we don't get another athlete (of either political party) as a Minister of Sport.
smh next thing you'll ask for a Minister of Education who can't read or a Minister of Youth and Gender who's a paedophile and hates women.
Talk done now.
Listen you can defend your boy Sancho from now until Sept 7th. The Minister of Sport is a managerial position. Yes the position need someone with vision and can gain the respect of the heads of different Sporting administrations. It is clear to see Sancho has not been successful in this regard with the exception of cricket. In YOUR mind you believe the Minister of Sport has to be a former athlete. He simply does not need to be.
Yuh bringing up talk about flag pole when we just had a Sports Minister who squandered 400 million of tax payers money (LifesPort). Keep in mind he was from the Sporting fraternity.
A Minister of Sport is someone need to be willing to work with all the Sporting heads and put his own agenda aside. His policies need to be flexible and not rigid. Anyway take yuh time Sept 7th soon come
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Too many men wearing too many hats.
Tim Kee - PNM Treasurer, POS Mayor, and TTFA President.
The last two are definitely full-time jobs on their own, and the first one further complicates things with the PNM in opposition.
Brent Sancho - Minister of Sport, UNC Political Aspirant, 2006 WC Crusader against the TTFA
The first two are compatible as it's a political position, but the last one is a serious conflict of interest and it's pretty clear has interfered with his relationship with the TTFA. On top of the fact, given the PNM/UNC animosity and we have both at either end, there is little to no hope of resolution given the political agendas.
I don't see anything changing unless the PNM wins the next election.
Right. and Sancho will not be Minister of Sport after Sept 7th. Watch and see what will happen
but how does that help our football? will 'sponsors' then jump on board? will there then be proper accounting and accountability? It's a culture of mismanagement thats killing our football. We seem to be working on the bad product we had on the field, but the back office needs drastic help. Not to mention the RELIANCE on Gov't - PNM, UNC.. whomever!
Simple as a, b,c. No sponsor is going to jump on board when you have a Minister of Sport beefing with a sporting body President. So I agreed with the poster I quoted when he said nothing will change unless the PNM wins. Because only then you will most likely have two men or a man and woman (MOS and TTFF Prez) working hand in hand pocket.
Fixed it for you!
Just a little test: How many millions of dollars has Tim-Kee brought into football since 2010? Now the same question for Sancho. And you still can't see the problem is Tim-Kee?
Sando will do like half baked (aka Bakes) and dance around that issue till he can't dance no more.. TK taking and destroying, he not giving to our football..
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Contro stop chasing me around. NO ONE cares to even seriously invest time in your comments :rotfl:
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F.S defend your padnah bachannalist 'Sankko' (like Kamla referred to him) with your last breath. What is CLEAR that he and Tim Kee is not willing to work with each other. With that being said you may not see a change for the betterment of our football until a PNM MOS comes into the fray after Sept 7th.
That is just the reality of the situation.
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Contro stop chasing me around. NO ONE cares to even seriously invest time in your comments :rotfl:
if you don't care, then why waste the time to write this??? :D
I'm not here to canvass or make friends... I'm here to talk football and suggest ideas to help our nation... what are you doing??
canvassing for PNM, it have some men who are pro football on here first like myself.. and they listen to each others comments.. ;)
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F.S defend your padnah bachannalist 'Sankko' (like Kamla referred to him) with your last breath. What is CLEAR that he and Tim Kee is not willing to work with each other. With that being said you may not see a change for the betterment of our football until a PNM MOS comes into the fray after Sept 7th.
and if PNM don't win, then what???
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but how does that help our football? will 'sponsors' then jump on board? will there then be proper accounting and accountability? It's a culture of mismanagement thats killing our football. We seem to be working on the bad product we had on the field, but the back office needs drastic help. Not to mention the RELIANCE on Gov't - PNM, UNC.. whomever!
Oh I agree completely, and a PNM victory will not change the accountability. That said, honestly if the team is doing well and getting public support, sponsors won't care much about accountability as they are simply paying for marketing. When Jack was running the show, there was no accountability but there was value for money sponsoring football with full stadiums and strong merchandise support. It's no different that FIFA's big sponsors who have for years thrown money at FIFA because it's a good marketing investment.
I don't really foresee any scenario where the TTFA administration gets overhauled, becomes transparent and/or accountable. I was purely commenting on the political PR games that Sancho/Kee have been playing for the last year in the press.
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F.S defend your padnah bachannalist 'Sankko' (like Kamla referred to him) with your last breath. What is CLEAR that he and Tim Kee is not willing to work with each other. With that being said you may not see a change for the betterment of our football until a PNM MOS comes into the fray after Sept 7th.
and if PNM don't win, then what???
Then it will stay the same clown. :D Hence why I agreed with the poster who said nothing will change unless the PNM wins
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but how does that help our football? will 'sponsors' then jump on board? will there then be proper accounting and accountability? It's a culture of mismanagement thats killing our football. We seem to be working on the bad product we had on the field, but the back office needs drastic help. Not to mention the RELIANCE on Gov't - PNM, UNC.. whomever!
Oh I agree completely, and a PNM victory will not change the accountability. That said, honestly if the team is doing well and getting public support, sponsors won't care much about accountability as they are simply paying for marketing. When Jack was running the show, there was no accountability but there was value for money sponsoring football with full stadiums and strong merchandise support. It's no different that FIFA's big sponsors who have for years thrown money at FIFA because it's a good marketing investment.
I don't really foresee any scenario where the TTFA administration gets overhauled, becomes transparent and/or accountable. I was purely commenting on the political PR games that Sancho/Kee have been playing for the last year in the press.
This is serious news to me... Full stadiums etc and so on? Which universe?
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but how does that help our football? will 'sponsors' then jump on board? will there then be proper accounting and accountability? It's a culture of mismanagement thats killing our football. We seem to be working on the bad product we had on the field, but the back office needs drastic help. Not to mention the RELIANCE on Gov't - PNM, UNC.. whomever!
Oh I agree completely, and a PNM victory will not change the accountability. That said, honestly if the team is doing well and getting public support, sponsors won't care much about accountability as they are simply paying for marketing. When Jack was running the show, there was no accountability but there was value for money sponsoring football with full stadiums and strong merchandise support. It's no different that FIFA's big sponsors who have for years thrown money at FIFA because it's a good marketing investment.
I don't really foresee any scenario where the TTFA administration gets overhauled, becomes transparent and/or accountable. I was purely commenting on the political PR games that Sancho/Kee have been playing for the last year in the press.
This is serious news to me... Full stadiums etc and so on? Which universe?
It was a broad generalization, but I'm just comparing public support in general to periods in the JW era when the team did well (i.e. late 2006 WCQ), the 2002 WCQ campaign pre-Hex, etc. My overall point is sponsors come knocking regardless of accountability if the team bandwagon is popular. It was just a counter-point to the comment that sponsors won't support the TTFA because the administration is a mess. It's always been a mess.
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Minister of Education who can't read or a Minister of Youth and Gender who's a paedophile and hates women. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
ah now ketch this. watap!
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F.S defend your padnah bachannalist 'Sankko' (like Kamla referred to him) with your last breath. What is CLEAR that he and Tim Kee is not willing to work with each other. With that being said you may not see a change for the betterment of our football until a PNM MOS comes into the fray after Sept 7th.
and if PNM don't win, then what???
Then it will stay the same clown. :D Hence why I agreed with the poster who said nothing will change unless the PNM wins
what will stay the same fool???
you forget the new constitution will be in place and at the agm they will be a vote... don't fool yourself.. because when TK is replaced, and if PNM wins, it will be a battle, as PNM will give no money to our football...
TK should do football a favor and resign now if he has any respect for our football advancement..
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Minister of Education who can't read or a Minister of Youth and Gender who's a paedophile and hates women. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
ah now ketch this. watap!
:D
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F.S defend your padnah bachannalist 'Sankko' (like Kamla referred to him) with your last breath. What is CLEAR that he and Tim Kee is not willing to work with each other. With that being said you may not see a change for the betterment of our football until a PNM MOS comes into the fray after Sept 7th.
and if PNM don't win, then what???
Then it will stay the same clown. :D Hence why I agreed with the poster who said nothing will change unless the PNM wins
what will stay the same fool???
you forget the new constitution will be in place and at the agm they will be a vote... don't fool yourself.. because when TK is replaced, and if PNM wins, it will be a battle, as PNM will give no money to our football...
TK should do football a favor and resign now if he has any respect for our football advancement..
do you ever quit? Its a must call with you if the name timbkee is mentioned that the very next thing out your throat is the Pnm. Its almost like you are on a major no pay campaign for the yellow brigade with nothing substantial to add but annoyance. It is really a bummer to see someone who claims to love their country so much yet never talk about the mass corruption that we have experienced during the unc rule in the past five years together with the desecration of the constitution and 400billion dollar with nothing to show for it. How dare you Take the Pnm to task yet turn a blind eye to all this mismanagement and corruption done under the unc/pp government, what manner of man are you?
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F.S defend your padnah bachannalist 'Sankko' (like Kamla referred to him) with your last breath. What is CLEAR that he and Tim Kee is not willing to work with each other. With that being said you may not see a change for the betterment of our football until a PNM MOS comes into the fray after Sept 7th.
and if PNM don't win, then what???
Then it will stay the same clown. :D Hence why I agreed with the poster who said nothing will change unless the PNM wins
what will stay the same fool???
you forget the new constitution will be in place and at the agm they will be a vote... don't fool yourself.. because when TK is replaced, and if PNM wins, it will be a battle, as PNM will give no money to our football...
TK should do football a favor and resign now if he has any respect for our football advancement..
do you ever quit? Its a must call with you if the name timbkee is mentioned that the very next thing out your throat is the Pnm. Its almost like you are on a major no pay campaign for the yellow brigade with nothing substantial to add but annoyance. It is really a bummer to see someone who claims to love their country so much yet never talk about the mass corruption that we have experienced during the unc rule in the past five years together with the desecration of the constitution and 400billion dollar with nothing to show for it. How dare you Take the Pnm to task yet turn a blind eye to all this mismanagement and corruption done under the unc/pp government, what manner of man are you?
TK is the President of our football, he just walked out of a meeting, citing that he walked out because of the bonus issue, which has been dormant for God knows how long...
The present government has put a lot of money into football recently, what has Tim Kee contributed to football? Can you outline the dollars for us that he contributed to our football.
Yellow brigade my ass, I don't support neither party, Sancho is sancho, he is right for the position, at first i questioned him, but I now have the facts of what is going on and it all points to TTFA and the head, TK..
Besides the center of excellence to be built in south, what else has he done??? you can see TK is making this a political battle, if Sancho wasn't UNC, you wouldn't hear any problems... But then you wouldn't hear from TK either... he would disappear, no interviews, nothing..
It is better that he doesn't have a homeboy as MOS because we can keep him in check.. TK is keeping back our progress and it is being shown time and time again...
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Political favors/favoritism are done all the time... Under unc and pnm...I just hope Tim kee loses his position ....PERIOD...regardless of unc or pnm...because with or without them...he's a constant that remains a problem...so let's start that process of elimination...then we can go from there...ent ttfa elections supposed to be soon?
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Political favors/favoritism are done all the time... Under unc and pnm...I just hope Tim kee loses his position ....PERIOD...regardless of unc or pnm...because with or without them...he's a constant that remains a problem...so let's start that process of elimination...then we can go from there...ent ttfa elections supposed to be soon?
coming up soon and hopefully he will be removed... but we need to be careful who he is replaced by...
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F.S defend your padnah bachannalist 'Sankko' (like Kamla referred to him) with your last breath. What is CLEAR that he and Tim Kee is not willing to work with each other. With that being said you may not see a change for the betterment of our football until a PNM MOS comes into the fray after Sept 7th.
and if PNM don't win, then what???
Then it will stay the same clown. :D Hence why I agreed with the poster who said nothing will change unless the PNM wins
what will stay the same fool???
you forget the new constitution will be in place and at the agm they will be a vote... don't fool yourself.. because when TK is replaced, and if PNM wins, it will be a battle, as PNM will give no money to our football...
TK should do football a favor and resign now if he has any respect for our football advancement..
do you ever quit? Its a must call with you if the name timbkee is mentioned that the very next thing out your throat is the Pnm. Its almost like you are on a major no pay campaign for the yellow brigade with nothing substantial to add but annoyance. It is really a bummer to see someone who claims to love their country so much yet never talk about the mass corruption that we have experienced during the unc rule in the past five years together with the desecration of the constitution and 400billion dollar with nothing to show for it. How dare you Take the Pnm to task yet turn a blind eye to all this mismanagement and corruption done under the unc/pp government, what manner of man are you?
TK is the President of our football, he just walked out of a meeting, citing that he walked out because of the bonus issue, which has been dormant for God knows how long...
The present government has put a lot of money into football recently, what has Tim Kee contributed to football? Can you outline the dollars for us that he contributed to our football.
Yellow brigade my ass, I don't support neither party, Sancho is sancho, he is right for the position, at first i questioned him, but I now have the facts of what is going on and it all points to TTFA and the head, TK..
Besides the center of excellence to be built in south, what else has he done??? you can see TK is making this a political battle, if Sancho wasn't UNC, you wouldn't hear any problems... But then you wouldn't hear from TK either... he would disappear, no interviews, nothing..
It is better that he doesn't have a homeboy as MOS because we can keep him in check.. TK is keeping back our progress and it is being shown time and time again...
what timkee has done for football, did you really had to ask? This man came in and found Trinidad and tobago's football in a mess. We were out of the World Cup we hadn't been to a gold cup since 2007 our Fifa rating was in the low one hundreds the lads were not playing for their coaches we were not playing any friendlies and in came timkee and steadied the ship. He brought in Phillips and got rid of groden he brought in hart and dumped Shabbaz, we started playing quality friendliest as oppose to none. We made it to two consecutive gold cups our rating sky rocketed we have the respect of other federations when no one wanted to touch us, and he did this with limited funding. He even offered to settle the dispute of a federation that had nothing to do with his tenure for the sake of healing football and last but certainly not least, he changed the constitution of football so that no one would ever have to suffer under a dictator federation president ever again, And you have the nerve to ask what has timkee done for football you ungrateful brute?
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F.S defend your padnah bachannalist 'Sankko' (like Kamla referred to him) with your last breath. What is CLEAR that he and Tim Kee is not willing to work with each other. With that being said you may not see a change for the betterment of our football until a PNM MOS comes into the fray after Sept 7th.
and if PNM don't win, then what???
Then it will stay the same clown. :D Hence why I agreed with the poster who said nothing will change unless the PNM wins
what will stay the same fool???
you forget the new constitution will be in place and at the agm they will be a vote... don't fool yourself.. because when TK is replaced, and if PNM wins, it will be a battle, as PNM will give no money to our football...
TK should do football a favor and resign now if he has any respect for our football advancement..
do you ever quit? Its a must call with you if the name timbkee is mentioned that the very next thing out your throat is the Pnm. Its almost like you are on a major no pay campaign for the yellow brigade with nothing substantial to add but annoyance. It is really a bummer to see someone who claims to love their country so much yet never talk about the mass corruption that we have experienced during the unc rule in the past five years together with the desecration of the constitution and 400billion dollar with nothing to show for it. How dare you Take the Pnm to task yet turn a blind eye to all this mismanagement and corruption done under the unc/pp government, what manner of man are you?
TK is the President of our football, he just walked out of a meeting, citing that he walked out because of the bonus issue, which has been dormant for God knows how long...
The present government has put a lot of money into football recently, what has Tim Kee contributed to football? Can you outline the dollars for us that he contributed to our football.
Yellow brigade my ass, I don't support neither party, Sancho is sancho, he is right for the position, at first i questioned him, but I now have the facts of what is going on and it all points to TTFA and the head, TK..
Besides the center of excellence to be built in south, what else has he done??? you can see TK is making this a political battle, if Sancho wasn't UNC, you wouldn't hear any problems... But then you wouldn't hear from TK either... he would disappear, no interviews, nothing..
It is better that he doesn't have a homeboy as MOS because we can keep him in check.. TK is keeping back our progress and it is being shown time and time again...
what timkee has done for football, did you really had to ask? This man came in and found Trinidad and tobago's football in a mess. We were out of the World Cup we hadn't been to a gold cup since 2007 our Fifa rating was in the low one hundreds our the lads were not playing for their coaches we were not playing any friendlies and in came timkee and steadied the ship. He brought in Phillips and got rid of groden he brought in hart and dumped Shabbaz, we started playing quality friendliest as oppose to none. We made it to two consecutive gold cups our rating sky rocketed we have the respect of other federations when no one wanted to touch, and he did this with limited funding. He even offered to settle the dispute of a federation that had nothing to do with his tenure for the sake of healing football and last but certainly not least, he changed the constitution of football so that no one would ever have to suffer under a dictator federation president ever again, And you have the nerve to ask what has timkee done for football you ungrateful brute?
hmmm... he didn't bring Hart, Hart was pushed by us on the board and TTFA took action because they were under pressure... Groden was part of Camps crew which were JW supporters and there was bad blood there to begin with...
TK hasn't done any healing, he was forced to do well and under the gun, he still is and hasn't performed well as President..
once again, what sponsors and money has he brought on board?
TK didn't get us to the gold cup, he didn't even prepare the team well enough and Hart and the players were close to walking off from football because of TK and the TTFA... so I don't know what kind of rubbish you are talking..
Know the facts first, before you talk nonsense..
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Contro yuh doesn't fed up talk shyte? So because we say Hart, dat is the true reason he geh de wuk? TK and you ha to be related and he must be the blacksheep or sumting. Like him or not Pull Stones is correct. There have been many positive changes under Tim Kee. Sure there is much to improve but to be fair his job is a thankless one seeing that most fans have unreasonable expectations rooted in fantasy.
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Contro yuh doesn't fed up talk shyte? So because we say Hart, dat is the true reason he geh de wuk? TK and you ha to be related and he must be the blacksheep or sumting. Like him or not Pull Stones is correct. There have been many positive changes under Tim Kee. Sure there is much to improve but to be fair his job is a thankless one seeing that most fans have unreasonable expectations rooted in fantasy.
it was more than a suggestion, sheldon and TK paid close attention to the board and were connected to several posters here... they didn't come up with this out of thin air, they gained knowledge from here, whether you like to admit how influential this board is or not... I pushed for SH and it was a big thread, with a lot of arguments, TT was around that time.. so don't try this TK was responsible for it..
like allyuh men forgetting what happened just recently with the team and in JA?
selective memory or is it just that the poster who is saying it, is someone you don't agree with??? once again if this came from another poster, there probably won't be a disagreement, but because it is contro talking, now TK is fine and has done a great job..
that is hypocrisy...
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Contro ......... hear dis for personnal Pips sake ok contro yuh win bro yuh win ... oh jeezanages contro yuh killing we yes :).... How did you contro conclude that sheldon / tim kee paid close attention to dis message board in order to gain knowledge of who stephen hart is /was ?...oh gosh contro ... yuh win breds
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Contro hand pick Hart
Contro broker de deal with Obama and Iran
Contro plan the raid on Bin Laden
My cousin had AIDS and Contro cure him with positive thoughts
Contro teach Keshorn how to throw Javelin too...
Allyuh men is just hypocrites
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Contro hand pick Hart
Contro broker de deal with Obama and Iran
Contro plan the raid on Bin Laden
My cousin had AIDS and Contro cure him with positive thoughts
Contro teach Keshorn how to throw Javelin too...
Allyuh men is just hypocrites
:D :D :D
I speak my mind FF, I don't need to lie to impress anyone... allyuh never like that, I really don't care... only one person could judge me and that is God, the rest of allyuh are jokers trying to prove something or tow the line... you lost your false prophet Bakes, which one of allyuh will replace him???
Here's a famous quote for you that will exemplify my mindset:
Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear, not absence of fear....
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Contro, to say that nobody knew about Hart is a bit farfetched. All the Canadians on the forum, Maxg, etc were talking about Hart. The man from Trini. Jack and them in the TTFF knew about him. From the time he got the Canadian job, man on the forum was already saying he should be the coach of TT instead. But others were saying that he better off with Canada because Jack would slit he throat like all previous coaches. When he got fired from the Canadian job, some of the forumites including you were openly campaigning for him to be the coach. And to say that TK picked because of pressure from us is also farfetched. If we're at the table where and when the decisions were made, then I would say, yes, we light the fire under they backside and they picked Hart. That never happen. But I would not doubt many forumites constantly inform their confidants in the FA with news about players that may help TT. That is NOT unusual. I would not doubt that you spoke to your insider in the FA about him. That is fine by me.
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Contro ......... hear dis for personnal Pips sake ok contro yuh win bro yuh win ... oh jeezanages contro yuh killing we yes :).... How did you contro conclude that sheldon / tim kee paid close attention to dis message board in order to gain knowledge of who stephen hart is /was ?...oh gosh contro ... yuh win breds
never said I was the main reason, but this board and the members brought the attention needed to Hart that made the TTFA go after him.. the TTFA and others turn here and get a lot of ideas from here, best example was the pro league and when they streamed games and started the viral marketing of the league, it was ideas I gave them in their office many years ago but they never executed it properly... so when I say members on here have influence, it is not a farce..
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Contro, to say that nobody knew about Hart is a bit farfetched. All the Canadians on the forum, Maxg, etc were talking about Hart. The man from Trini. Jack and them in the TTFF knew about him. From the time he got the Canadian job, man on the forum was already saying he should be the coach of TT instead. But others were saying that he better off with Canada because Jack would slit he throat like all previous coaches. When he got fired from the Canadian job, some of the forumites including you were openly campaigning for him to be the coach. And to say that TK picked because of pressure from us is also farfetched. If we're at the table where and when the decisions were made, then I would say, yes, we light the fire under they backside and they picked Hart. That never happen. But I would not doubt many forumites constantly inform their confidants in the FA with news about players that may help TT. That is NOT unusual. I would not doubt that you spoke to your insider in the FA about him. That is fine by me.
family never said I was the main reason Hart was picked, I was campaigning for him long before many others, reaching out to SH and asking him would you ever coach for TT, in 2006 in Germany when I spoke to him I asked... He always had my support, before the board my uncles spoke to me about Hart and just before he started in the Canada program, women's program... so I wouldn't say far fetched..
I believe we have influence but some members, not yourself brother, has a hard time giving credit when credit is due because of their ego and personal dislikes for posters.. i speak my mind, not need for me to lie.. i not looking for fame on here or attention, just to progress our football and help with ideas..
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Deeks This is just a lil correction with regards to Mr Stephen Hart reign as canadian head coach .... He was not fired per se ... it's Stephen Hart who chose to give up his post here as canadian Head coach .....That was after the honduras world cup loss ...The man is a very humble , proud and dignified Trini brother .. Again he was not fired but chose to resign .. there is a difference... the canadian team players were not happy for him to leave .
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I don't think it's a question of if kimmy did work while at the helm (that would be a disrespect to him).. it's could he be more effective, efficient and diplomatic, knowing that his political affiliation put him at a supposed disadvantage. Instead it seemed that he much preferred to use it as a convenient handicap.
if the political analysts here are correct and we see a PNM gov't take office in the fall and kimmy remains.. i hope pray that we see positive improvements in the Run to Russia!
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I don't think it's a question of if kimmy did work while at the helm (that would be a disrespect to him).. it's could he be more effective, efficient and diplomatic, knowing that his political affiliation put him at a supposed disadvantage. Instead it seemed that he much preferred to use it as a convenient handicap.
if the political analysts here are correct and we see a PNM gov't take office in the fall and kimmy remains.. i hope pray that we see positive improvements in the Run to Russia!
if that happens brother I will be happy for our football, if there are improvements, but i fear it won't happen even more if he remains because he has the attitude that will prevent him from being open with the footballing public...
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Deeks This is just a lil correction with regards to Mr Stephen Hart reign as canadian head coach .... He was not fired per se ... it's Stephen Hart who chose to give up his post here as canadian Head coach .....That was after the honduras world cup loss ...The man is a very humble , proud and dignified Trini brother .. Again he was not fired but chose to resign .. there is a difference... the canadian team players were not happy for him to leave .
:beermug:
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Deeks This is just a lil correction with regards to Mr Stephen Hart reign as canadian head coach .... He was not fired per se ... it's Stephen Hart who chose to give up his post here as canadian Head coach .....That was after the honduras world cup loss ...The man is a very humble , proud and dignified Trini brother .. Again he was not fired but chose to resign .. there is a difference... the canadian team players were not happy for him to leave .
Thanks for clearing that up. I did not mean that in a pejorative way. But you know how it is nowadays, if you resign, they still say you fired. Some words in the English language have double entendre since the 60s. Gay is not what is used to be. You know longer happy.
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Contro hand pick Hart
Contro broker de deal with Obama and Iran
Contro plan the raid on Bin Laden
My cousin had AIDS and Contro cure him with positive thoughts
Contro teach Keshorn how to throw Javelin too...
Allyuh men is just hypocrites
Wha bout Borel and Obamacare?
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Contro hand pick Hart
Contro broker de deal with Obama and Iran
Contro plan the raid on Bin Laden
My cousin had AIDS and Contro cure him with positive thoughts
Contro teach Keshorn how to throw Javelin too...
Allyuh men is just hypocrites
Wha bout Borel and Obamacare?
He forgot Crawford, the 06' warriors, sancho's own goal and the statue of liberty :D :D
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“The whole thing started when we found out they got US$100,000 and didn’t tell us about it,” said Sancho. “They did a pie chart after that which said that US$33,000 was spent on match fees. But over the past six months, we paid every single match fee and stipend (for the TTFA).
“So where did that money really go?”
“I found it a bit strange that they didn’t ask for funding for the (Women’s) Under-20 Team because, over the course of this year, we have paid for every single team that left these shores barring the TTOC’s teams,” Sancho told Wired868. “We have paid 90 percent of the operation cost for all national teams, including travel, accommodation, coaches’ salaries and match fees.
“All of a sudden, despite saying they spent all the money they received from CONCACAF and the fact that the General Secretary said they only had TT$30,000 in their account just over a month ago, they found the money to send their team to St Vincent.
“How much money did they really receive from Concacaf?”
Very interesting quotes from Sancho.
Only one thing tough, $100,000 USD cant do much for all these national teams.
But obviously, the TTFA has a money hole somewhere and Tim Kee is hiding it or they just decide to cut ties with the MOS?? but something is not right with both the TTFA and MOS.
Sancho, is really a big let down.
And Tim Kee and Sheldon seems very sneaky.
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“The whole thing started when we found out they got US$100,000 and didn’t tell us about it,” said Sancho. “They did a pie chart after that which said that US$33,000 was spent on match fees. But over the past six months, we paid every single match fee and stipend (for the TTFA).
“So where did that money really go?”
“I found it a bit strange that they didn’t ask for funding for the (Women’s) Under-20 Team because, over the course of this year, we have paid for every single team that left these shores barring the TTOC’s teams,” Sancho told Wired868. “We have paid 90 percent of the operation cost for all national teams, including travel, accommodation, coaches’ salaries and match fees.
“All of a sudden, despite saying they spent all the money they received from CONCACAF and the fact that the General Secretary said they only had TT$30,000 in their account just over a month ago, they found the money to send their team to St Vincent.
“How much money did they really receive from Concacaf?”
Very interesting quotes from Sancho.
Only one thing tough, $100,000 USD cant do much for all these national teams.
But obviously, the TTFA has a money hole somewhere and Tim Kee is hiding it or they just decide to cut ties with the MOS?? but something is not right with both the TTFA and MOS.
Sancho, is really a big let down.
And Tim Kee and Sheldon seems very sneaky.
To be fair, TTFA didn't receive US$100,000 immediately. They received US$33,000 plus US$38,000 travel grant. The balance of US$67,000 is due early August and this should also now increase by US$25,000 for reaching the quarter finals.
Sancho, is really a big let down. In what way? He's trying to get transparency, which is what everyone has said they would like. You can't do this half hearted. You either want it or you don't. And a transparent TTFA will assist them in attracting sponsors. But I'd be interested in knowing how you feel Sancho has let you down.
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timkee (pnm) and Sancho (unc) are players on the same team, when the pp bailed out clico $20 billion lots of pnm unc heads rejoiced under low, when pnm were in gov't who? enjoyed the billions while they emptied our treasury, not the black contractors, not the black lawyers, may be chinee, may be Syrian may be Indians, so from eric to kamla is all about the taxpayer dollars, and methods now employed to rob us can be summed up in one word 'vapid'. when you connect the dots there is no pnm unc division it is all family, school mate, friend, same offshore bank.. so posters here on socawarriors.net lets attack where they don't want us to go, and OCCUPY de TREASURY....
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“The whole thing started when we found out they got US$100,000 and didn’t tell us about it,” said Sancho. “They did a pie chart after that which said that US$33,000 was spent on match fees. But over the past six months, we paid every single match fee and stipend (for the TTFA).
“So where did that money really go?”
“I found it a bit strange that they didn’t ask for funding for the (Women’s) Under-20 Team because, over the course of this year, we have paid for every single team that left these shores barring the TTOC’s teams,” Sancho told Wired868. “We have paid 90 percent of the operation cost for all national teams, including travel, accommodation, coaches’ salaries and match fees.
“All of a sudden, despite saying they spent all the money they received from CONCACAF and the fact that the General Secretary said they only had TT$30,000 in their account just over a month ago, they found the money to send their team to St Vincent.
“How much money did they really receive from Concacaf?”
Very interesting quotes from Sancho.
Only one thing tough, $100,000 USD cant do much for all these national teams.
But obviously, the TTFA has a money hole somewhere and Tim Kee is hiding it or they just decide to cut ties with the MOS?? but something is not right with both the TTFA and MOS.
Sancho, is really a big let down.
And Tim Kee and Sheldon seems very sneaky.
I'm also interested to hear how Sancho let you down... What exactly did he do, after hearing all the facts about TTFA and TK, I don't know how one can surmise Sancho is a let down... He can't extract blood from a stone... TK has to meet him half way, if TK walking out meetings and don't want to be accountable and transparent , how can you blame Sancho?
Right now we need accountability, transparency and organization.. Words TK is running from and to be honest, we don't need political games now, we need progress with our football.. We need games to happen and prep to happen for the wcq ... Sancho and the MOS want this, But does the TTFA want this? Maybe Sheldon willing but he's being led by a false prophet..
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Contro hand pick Hart
Contro broker de deal with Obama and Iran
Contro plan the raid on Bin Laden
My cousin had AIDS and Contro cure him with positive thoughts
Contro teach Keshorn how to throw Javelin too...
Allyuh men is just hypocrites
:D :D :D
I speak my mind FF, I don't need to lie to impress anyone... allyuh never like that, I really don't care... only one person could judge me and that is God, the rest of allyuh are jokers trying to prove something or tow the line... you lost your false prophet Bakes, which one of allyuh will replace him???
Here's a famous quote for you that will exemplify my mindset:
Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear, not absence of fear....
Wait nah... Wey Bakes in truth?
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Contro hand pick Hart
Contro broker de deal with Obama and Iran
Contro plan the raid on Bin Laden
My cousin had AIDS and Contro cure him with positive thoughts
Contro teach Keshorn how to throw Javelin too...
Allyuh men is just hypocrites
:D :D :D
I speak my mind FF, I don't need to lie to impress anyone... allyuh never like that, I really don't care... only one person could judge me and that is God, the rest of allyuh are jokers trying to prove something or tow the line... you lost your false prophet Bakes, which one of allyuh will replace him???
Here's a famous quote for you that will exemplify my mindset:
Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear, not absence of fear....
Wait nah... Wey Bakes in truth?
in exile on devil's island...
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Contro hand pick Hart
Contro broker de deal with Obama and Iran
Contro plan the raid on Bin Laden
My cousin had AIDS and Contro cure him with positive thoughts
Contro teach Keshorn how to throw Javelin too...
Allyuh men is just hypocrites
:D :D :D
I speak my mind FF, I don't need to lie to impress anyone... allyuh never like that, I really don't care... only one person could judge me and that is God, the rest of allyuh are jokers trying to prove something or tow the line... you lost your false prophet Bakes, which one of allyuh will replace him???
Here's a famous quote for you that will exemplify my mindset:
Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear, not absence of fear....
Wait nah... Wey Bakes in truth?
in exile on devil's island...
dont you ever get tired of talking rubbish?
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“The whole thing started when we found out they got US$100,000 and didn’t tell us about it,” said Sancho. “They did a pie chart after that which said that US$33,000 was spent on match fees. But over the past six months, we paid every single match fee and stipend (for the TTFA).
“So where did that money really go?”
“I found it a bit strange that they didn’t ask for funding for the (Women’s) Under-20 Team because, over the course of this year, we have paid for every single team that left these shores barring the TTOC’s teams,” Sancho told Wired868. “We have paid 90 percent of the operation cost for all national teams, including travel, accommodation, coaches’ salaries and match fees.
“All of a sudden, despite saying they spent all the money they received from CONCACAF and the fact that the General Secretary said they only had TT$30,000 in their account just over a month ago, they found the money to send their team to St Vincent.
“How much money did they really receive from Concacaf?”
Very interesting quotes from Sancho.
Only one thing tough, $100,000 USD cant do much for all these national teams.
But obviously, the TTFA has a money hole somewhere and Tim Kee is hiding it or they just decide to cut ties with the MOS?? but something is not right with both the TTFA and MOS.
Sancho, is really a big let down.
And Tim Kee and Sheldon seems very sneaky.
I'm also interested to hear how Sancho let you down... What exactly did he do, after hearing all the facts about TTFA and TK, I don't know how one can surmise Sancho is a let down... He can't extract blood from a stone... TK has to meet him half way, if TK walking out meetings and don't want to be accountable and transparent , how can you blame Sancho?
Right now we need accountability, transparency and organization.. Words TK is running from and to be honest, we don't need political games now, we need progress with our football.. We need games to happen and prep to happen for the wcq ... Sancho and the MOS want this, But does the TTFA want this? Maybe Sheldon willing but he's being led by a false prophet..
I don't normally reply to you cause I notice your constant nag on everyone. You are like the house wife of this site.
Didn't Tim Kee say that KPMG is the keep back? Why not give them a call and asked them to send Sancho the reports faster?
Didn't he also say they send Sancho reports from 2008 to 2011?
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“The whole thing started when we found out they got US$100,000 and didn’t tell us about it,” said Sancho. “They did a pie chart after that which said that US$33,000 was spent on match fees. But over the past six months, we paid every single match fee and stipend (for the TTFA).
“So where did that money really go?”
“I found it a bit strange that they didn’t ask for funding for the (Women’s) Under-20 Team because, over the course of this year, we have paid for every single team that left these shores barring the TTOC’s teams,” Sancho told Wired868. “We have paid 90 percent of the operation cost for all national teams, including travel, accommodation, coaches’ salaries and match fees.
“All of a sudden, despite saying they spent all the money they received from CONCACAF and the fact that the General Secretary said they only had TT$30,000 in their account just over a month ago, they found the money to send their team to St Vincent.
“How much money did they really receive from Concacaf?”
Very interesting quotes from Sancho.
Only one thing tough, $100,000 USD cant do much for all these national teams.
But obviously, the TTFA has a money hole somewhere and Tim Kee is hiding it or they just decide to cut ties with the MOS?? but something is not right with both the TTFA and MOS.
Sancho, is really a big let down.
And Tim Kee and Sheldon seems very sneaky.
I'm also interested to hear how Sancho let you down... What exactly did he do, after hearing all the facts about TTFA and TK, I don't know how one can surmise Sancho is a let down... He can't extract blood from a stone... TK has to meet him half way, if TK walking out meetings and don't want to be accountable and transparent , how can you blame Sancho?
Right now we need accountability, transparency and organization.. Words TK is running from and to be honest, we don't need political games now, we need progress with our football.. We need games to happen and prep to happen for the wcq ... Sancho and the MOS want this, But does the TTFA want this? Maybe Sheldon willing but he's being led by a false prophet..
I don't normally reply to you cause I notice your constant nag on everyone. You are like the house wife of this site.
Didn't Tim Kee say that KPMG is the keep back? Why not give them a call and asked them to send Sancho the reports faster?
Didn't he also say they send Sancho reports from 2008 to 2011?
It's understandable about KPMG but what about our prep for this Gold Cup and the debacle in JA? Why did Sheldon stay and TK walk out? We have a wcq coming up and the man walks out the meeting? KJ also complained about TK and his lack of organization.
We have to look at the whole picture here.
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Statement from TTFA President Raymond Tim Kee
TTFA Media
An Issue Of Respect, Not Politics
While a casual observer will glance at the current conflict between myself and Minister of Sport, Brent Sancho and chalk it up as being a byproduct of a bitter political season, the real reasons behind the clash are far different from what has been offered by those who claim to know. Therefore and for the sake of our football, it is important that supporters of the national football teams and our own national program players and coaches know the reasons behind the current conflict.
The governing body of football in Trinidad and Tobago is expected to show leadership and vision in establishing a plan to advance the prospects of our national team programs, especially as our senior men’s team has emerged from an encouraging Gold Cup performance and is about to embark upon the Road To Russia 2018 World Cup campaign. Now more than ever, the TTFA has to be the entity to encourage everyone to rally around to support our national team players and coaches. The Ministry of Sport is an important partner in our overall effort to have all our national teams qualify for a FIFA tournament by 2018. However, a partnership requires mutual respect.
Upon Mr. Sancho’s appointment, a multitude of inquiries from people aware of the history between Mr. Sancho and the TTFA/TTFF began to pour in; all asking the same question; how did we feel the new minister would treat the TTFA?
I can say unequivocally, that the TTFA met Mr. Sancho’s appointment with an open mind. Within the first weeks of his appointment, meetings were held with TTFA representatives and the ministry. Presentations were made describing the past, present, and future plans of the TTFA. Pledges of information exchanges and support were made and a spirit of cooperation was established.
However, the collaborative spirit unraveled with a number of unfortunate interviews of the minister that seemed to belie the cooperative tone established in our meetings. It became clear the old conflicts between Mr. Sancho and the TTFA would not be a thing of the past and instead form the basis of his approach toward the TTFA and its national team programs.
Brent Sancho is a current litigant and still has a court matter against the TTFA. Based upon his public comments, he still has not missed a step in his aggression toward the TTFA on the old matter surrounding the 2006 socawarriors bonus action. As a result of the continuing disrespectful, personal attacks, and dishonest public comments Mr. Sancho has made about the TTFA and myself, it is prudent that the TTFA seek other avenues to try to advance our partnership with the Ministry of Sport in the best interests of Trinidad and Tobago football. My direct communication with Mr. Sancho is not a prerequisite for the ministry and TTFA to continue their collaboration.
It is this distinction, not politics, which is at the crux of the conflict with Mr. Sancho.
It is also instructive to know that as recently as a year ago, Mr. Sancho threatened to “close down football” if the remaining payments to the 2006 socawarriors did not commence. This, in spite of the fact that months after coming in to office, I made the decision to pay the 2006 players $10 million dollars after their case languished in the court for over 7 years with no significant benefit gained.
The decision to address the players’ issue was against a backdrop where the choice to declare the then TTFF bankrupt was a real consideration but one that I did not support because it would not be fair to people who gave their services and limited resources to assist football. They would have lost every cent with no recourse!
Unfortunately, Mr. Sancho and his supporters did not seem to share the view that the TTFA exhibited good faith in our efforts to settle with the players and began a series of public campaigns to undermine the TTFA and essentially damage corporate sponsorship prospects that we began to establish in an attempt to reform a heavily damaged organization that had lost the public trust and confidence during the term of the previous administrations.
It is also instructive to know I did not have problems with previous ministers. Whatever differences arose, were worked out and, actually, compliments were made publically from members of the government expressing how I approached my dealings with the government and ministry in an apolitical manner.
The reason for my stance on Mr. Sancho being stated, I would like to share the recent history to explain how and why I arrived at my current position with regard to Mr. Sancho.
I. ORIGIN OF CURRENT PUBLIC CONFLICT
1. In June I met with Mr. Sancho at Parliament to discuss the status of the cabinet note that was passed in November in order to fully support the Gold Cup preparation efforts as promised by the Prime Minister. Mr. Sancho and his staff tried to claim the cabinet note did not clearly define which team would benefit from the funds allotted; this was a disingenuous interpretation since the only team that plays in the Gold Cup is the Men’s Senior Team and was the only team the Prime Minister addressed when the cabinet note was referred to at a press conference in November after the CFU Championship.
2. Also at this meeting, Mr. Sancho said the ministry would pay our national players only 50% of their fees. I strongly objected and said the note accounted for full payment for the players’ fees and if the minister pursued such a course, the media would be told about the change and he would be regarded as the worst sports minister in history. As a former player who fought for payments and fees for himself; it was rather confusing and disappointing to witness the minister try to shortchange players who were once his teammates.
3. Mr. Sancho objected to what he viewed as a threat and said the TTFA should pay the other 50% from gate receipts. I further explained that such a proposal would actually place the players in a worse position as the TTFA usually lose money on matches played at home. He got the cabinet note and tried to ignore the provisions therein. Mr. Sancho would later describe my approach at the Parliament meeting as aggressive and referred to me as a “Raging Bull”. Aside from the political allusion, anyone who knows me will understand that I do not raise my voice and/or act in a manner that is associated with incivility or disrespect.
II. CONTACT WITH THE MINISTRY
1. Mr. Sancho has stated on several occasions that we are "biting the hands that feed us". Aside from the clearly offensive overtones, this is not a truthful statement. We feel the TTFA has a right to offer rebuttal to the spread of misinformation by the minister. Our July 11 press release was in response to several months of public statements from the ministry that were factually incorrect regarding information submitted to the ministry and funds received by the TTFA.
2. Mr. Sancho also continued to perpetuate another untruth by claiming that we have cut off communication with the ministry since our press release. In reality, the TTFA has been in touch with the ministry almost on a daily basis since the aforementioned press release, largely with the Permanent Secretary (PS) and other ministry officials. During the period since the release was sent on July 11, there were at least 10 messages between the TTFA and the ministry. Such communication included the coordination of efforts to provide account information of national team players to the ministry in order to distribute Gold Cup match fees. Surely, this could not have been accomplished had the TTFA cut off our communication to the ministry as alleged by the minister.
3. In short, the TTFA is working directly with the PS in advancing the needs and the interest of football. In our dealings with the Permanent Secretary, the business with the ministry continues and we can still move matters forward pertaining to our national teams.
III. TTFA TRANSPARENCY
1. Early in Mr. Sancho’s tenure, he threatened to withhold funding unless accounts were submitted. Having received such a threat, the TTFA invited our auditor, KPMG, to attend a meeting with the Minister that took place on May 11. It was explained by KPMG the reasons for the non-submission of audited accounts from the TTFF/TTFA since 2008. Yet, Mr. Sancho continues to raise issues about “transparency and accountability” as though the TTFA has not submitted accounts. The fact is with the continued assistance of KPMG, TTFA accounts were submitted and received by the ministry for 2008 and 2009 at the very same May 11 meeting. The accounts from 2010 and 2011 were submitted and delivered to the Minister and the former PS on May 22. Once audited statements are completed through 2014, TTFA will publish the accounts as part of our reform efforts to establish accountability and transparency.
2. In an increasingly desperate attempt to manufacture an issue of contention, Mr. Sancho has claimed funds the TTFA received from CONCACAF were not disclosed and claimed we were not being “forthright”. This despite the fact that we explained in our recent press release and via direct communication with the ministry:
a. How much we have already received from CONCACAF
b. How much we are entitled to receive from CONCACAF
c. The purpose for which the already received funds from CONCACAF were used
d. Permission from CONCACAF to use said funds for the stated purpose.
In Closing
The TTFA should not be expected to surrender dignity and endure disrespect and defamation because of our dependence on the ministry for support. The fact that Mr. Sancho has used rhetoric to describe the TTFA and other members of the public as being; “ungrateful”, provides a glimpse of someone who does not understand the position and purpose of being a Minister of Sport; which is to provide service on behalf of our taxpayers and facilitate our athletes.
According to reports from players and coaches, Mr. Sancho calls them directly to further spread misinformation about the TTFA and attempt to undermine the administration of the TTFA. Such behavior threatens to destabilize teams and unfairly place our players and coaches into the conflict when they should be only expected to focus on their preparation and matches.
My determination to lead the TTFA into a new era of good governance, accountability, and accomplishment will continue. The forward movement from where the organization was in 2012 shows that we are making significant progress and the best is yet to come. After decades of futile efforts, a new constitution was recently passed and ratified by our members and for the first time in our history all stakeholders in the game, including clubs, will have a say in the governance of football.
Our teams have shown they are a force to be reckoned with once again, and in spite of Mr. Sancho’s dismissive comments, the $6 million (USD) debt I met has been reduced to approximately $2 million (USD) through a carefully constructed approach that included our initial $1.7 million (USD) contribution to the 2006 players settlement and lobbying of the government which eventually led to the payment of the remaining $1.3 million (USD) owed to the 2006 players and $1 million (USD) in arrears owed to senior team coaches and players since 2011. It is my strong belief that the remaining TTFA debt will be eliminated in the not too distant future.
It is now up to Mr. Sancho and his allies to decide whether or not they want to be a constructive element in our efforts to make Trinidad and Tobago an internationally significant football nation. Or, conversely continue on the path that is likely to deny young footballers the same opportunities that were offered and afforded to Mr. Sancho when he was a young footballer in need. I remain hopeful that the better angels of his nature will guide his future decisions.
Creating further debate is certainly not the intent of this writing. Instead, the purpose for my words is to share information with the public so they can be both better informed and positioned to rally around our footballers who fight to represent Trinidad and Tobago in international competition.
Enlisting support for our national footballers is how I will be focusing my time, energy, and efforts, especially as we enter our Road To Russia Campaign. Now is the time to show our footballers and coaches the same level of commitment and teamwork they recently displayed on the field at the Gold Cup. Now is the time we must give our undivided and unequivocal support. Our footballers have earned that respect.
Yours In Football,
Raymond Tim Kee
President
Trinidad and Tobago Football Association
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Good statement.
Very detailed and transparent.
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Well said Tim Kee.
Sancho playing man for fool, he want to meet for what? and then he still not helping out?
He want to meet just to let de public know he want to meet?
De books in KPMG hands, is not like de TTFA hiding it?
Sancho is a dam backside and a half.
That is why Stern John did vex with him to for trying to squeeze money from him now he trying to make up and give Stern John a bling bilge to make him feel good.
De Men team did so well and now they not getting nothing and no government support while de CPL and de WPL getting all de support and none is Trinidad and Tobago official teams.
Sancho kissing de foreigners ass but ignoring the locals.
He saying he want to help but then he turning around and back stabbing de federation to try and make them look bad in public.
Sancho need to open he books at Central FC and give de players what he promise them.
No wonder Terry Fenwick call him ah imps.
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Where meh boy 'Football Supporter'? :)
Ah surprise he aint reach yet to defend his padnah Sancho
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There is little good here, but little by little yuh gettin info to separate d bad from the ugly....there is now a written statement on record........lehwe what comes next.a
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Sancho the floor is now yours,awaiting a timely response
Lay it out as it is....no tricks and sad lyrics,come clean and educate us the football public
In the court of public opinion we shall be the JUDGE
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So the Warriors collected 1.7 from TTFA and 1.3 from the govt. That is 3 million US?? I thought all along that the govt had paid all the rest of the money.
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So the Warriors collected 1.7 from TTFA and 1.3 from the govt. That is 3 million US?? I thought all along that the govt had paid all the rest of the money.
The TTFA collected more money from the MOS..
I noticed TK didn't address why he walked out the meeting. Sheldon stayed behind and they outlined the budget needed for the Russia campaign.. They also discussed possible friendlies and Brazil was on the cards but was in the slot where we play Mexico, that was Brazil's only available date.. However, other proposed friendlies are being discussed..
The question is will TK be in those meetings or will he come up with another excuse not to be there..
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"ttfa usually lose money at home games". ?? may I suggest an entrepreneur who was able to turn a profit at every home game and not lose any money?? nuts man Jumbo...
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I don't know who to believe. But I'm glad TK stepped forward, it does give him some credibility.
I had no idea it was 3 million US they collected. I thought it was less.
If they stopped bringing down shit teams maybe they could make a profit at home.
Everybody from Thailand to J'ca could get quality teams to visit except the TTFA.
VB
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This is only going to get worse and I won't be surprised if:
1.the guys don't turn up for the games in November,
2. Hart resigns
Sancho is damn right to demand accountability but for some reason his modus operandi reeks of a personal and political vendetta. I still have to commend TK and SP for reducing that $6m US debt to $2M with little or no help.
In my opinion as much as I believe Sancho is ah imps, TK should resign and call elections ASAP. No matter which party in power de football must go on and we hadda elect someone who has no political affiliations (kinda hard to do tbh but we hadda try).
Saying that i'm sure Sancho panda Kelvin Jack will throw his hat in the ring SMFH
Either way one ah dem would be gone by September 7th and hopefully our football might be back on track
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I don't know who to believe. But I'm glad TK stepped forward, it does give him some credibility.
I had no idea it was 3 million US they collected. I thought it was less.
If they stopped bringing down shit teams maybe they could make a profit at home.
Everybody from Thailand to J'ca could get quality teams to visit except the TTFA.
VB
why is it so hard to comprehend that the people in trinidad and tobago is no longer interested in sports particularly football? VB it does not matter what team you bring down the folks in trinidad only want to bless their eyes on super stars, and if they can't see a messi ronaldino or cristiano ronaldo they will not attend. we have become a party nation as opposed to the once sporting nation we used to be. just look at when the stadium is packed with people, only when there's a buzz in which case people just tag along for the lime as opposed to going with the intent to watch an entertaining match and to show support for the team.
we had a few good games at home that attracted a very slow turn out including the game against peru where only 25 hundred people came out to watch a full strength peru vs a full strength trinidad and tobago and a full strength panama with even less of a turn out. we also played jamaica our arch rivals and the stadium was as quiet as a midnight mass in the cathedral. do you think if we got a solid team like japan, costa rica, croatia, swtizerland, belgium or columbia to play us we would even attract a half full stadium? i bet not. these people will show up for nothing less than a brazil, argentina, spain, germany, holland, england, or italy so the girls could come out to lime and talk about how cute neymar is and how much beats messi shared, is star struck we star struck.
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VB we have a game coming up with la galaxy in the CCL where faces like dos santos and gerard would be on display, see how much people show up for that. i bet anything that the stadium will be empty as usual?
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I had said all along that if Jack had given these guys at least 100 thousand each, it may have had some grumbling, but they would have had something substantial along with the 1 million Manning gave them. It may not have had this long protracted impasse, which set back our football immensely. The impasse has pushed people away from football. It appears that we have lost what ever little of the football culture of the past that I have known.
F---k you Jack.
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why is it so hard to comprehend that the people in trinidad and tobago is no longer interested in sports particularly football? VB it does not matter what team you bring down the folks in trinidad only want to bless their eyes on super stars, and if they can't see a messi ronaldino or cristiano ronaldo they will not attend. we have become a party nation as opposed to the once sporting nation we used to be. just look at when the stadium is packed with people, only when there's a buzz in which case people just tag along for the lime as opposed to going with the intent to watch an entertaining match and to show support for the team.
we had a few good games and home that attracted a very slow turn out including the game against peru where only 25 hundred people came out to watch a full strength peru vs a full strength trinidad and tobago and a full strength panama with even less of a turn out. we also played jamaica our arch rivals and the stadium was as quiet as a midnight mass in the cathedral. do you think if we got a solid team like japan, costa rica, croatia, swtizerland, belgium or columbia to play us we would even attract a half full stadium? i bet not. these people will show up for nothing less than a brazil, argentina, spain, germany, holland, england, or italy so the girls could come out to lime and talk about how cute neymar is and how much beats messi shared, is star struck we star struck.
explain? Are there examples of sports teams (football in this case) that visited in the past (without namely stars) which drew good attendances? Games without meaning (like do or die kinda appeal)
As long as we have a "winning" Trinbago team on display, there seems t be some level of 'fan' support. Trinbagonians are such that it's "being seen" and being part of the in-crowd. If it's cool to go see a winning Soca Warriors.. the crowds follow!
Doh sleep on the fact that though we have a small country, the people who's job it is to market the sport to the people do a terrible job. We here know more about the team and games than people at home. That MUST change for that stadium to have filled seats! The average Trinbagonian cannot name 3 people on the mens senior team - I guarantee you that!
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why is it so hard to comprehend that the people in trinidad and tobago is no longer interested in sports particularly football? VB it does not matter what team you bring down the folks in trinidad only want to bless their eyes on super stars, and if they can't see a messi ronaldino or cristiano ronaldo they will not attend. we have become a party nation as opposed to the once sporting nation we used to be. just look at when the stadium is packed with people, only when there's a buzz in which case people just tag along for the lime as opposed to going with the intent to watch an entertaining match and to show support for the team.
we had a few good games and home that attracted a very slow turn out including the game against peru where only 25 hundred people came out to watch a full strength peru vs a full strength trinidad and tobago and a full strength panama with even less of a turn out. we also played jamaica our arch rivals and the stadium was as quiet as a midnight mass in the cathedral. do you think if we got a solid team like japan, costa rica, croatia, swtizerland, belgium or columbia to play us we would even attract a half full stadium? i bet not. these people will show up for nothing less than a brazil, argentina, spain, germany, holland, england, or italy so the girls could come out to lime and talk about how cute neymar is and how much beats messi shared, is star struck we star struck.
explain? Are there examples of sports teams (football in this case) that visited in the past (without namely stars) which drew good attendances? Games without meaning (like do or die kinda appeal)
As long as we have a "winning" Trinbago team on display, there seems t be some level of 'fan' support. Trinbagonians are such that it's "being seen" and being part of the in-crowd. If it's cool to go see a winning Soca Warriors.. the crowds follow!
Doh sleep on the fact that though we have a small country, the people who's job it is to market the sport to the people do a terrible job. We here know more about the team and games than people at home. That MUST change for that stadium to have filled seats! The average Trinbagonian cannot name 3 people on the mens senior team - I guarantee you that!
i could give you many examples but i would give you one where a football team of very little significance came to play an equally insignificant friendly. i remember this specifically because hayden tinto made his debut on the national team that day and i was invited to see the game with a cousin of tinto's whom i was dating at the time. this game was played in the oval and it was packed to capacity i would say a good 20 thousand people turned out to watch this game.
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Who was the visiting team? Be careful, you'll prove my point.
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Who was the visiting team? Be careful, you'll prove my point.
sorry about that, i was working on a project and did not finish the post because my login window timed out and i lost track of the post, it was actually unfinished truth be told. the team in question was guadelope and we played them in the oval to a packed house, if my memory serves me right the game ended in a draw. i didn't mean to be rude when i mentioned our nation as being party oriented but this has been my observation.
i remember when i was a lad growing up in trinidad i would spend my summers in the country where i had a wonderful time playing all sorts of sports and games. very recently i visited relatives in these areas and found that kids didn't play any of those sports and games we enjoyed as children anymore. there was no kite flying, no marble pitching, top spinning, no cricket no football no table tennis, instead everyone on their gadgets or inside playing video games. you may have a point when you mentioned that sports are not being properly marketed, but that has always been the case and even worst back then, yet we had bigger turn outs for games. i think the younger generation is simply not interested in spectator sports. but and off course i could be wrong
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Not reading the rantings of a madman and I didn't reading his story. Erring on the side of my own expdrience. Isn't respect something that you earn and not demand? Tanty Tim, you lost me there.
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Not reading the rantings of a madman and I didn't reading his story. Erring on the side of my own expdrience. Isn't respect something that you earn and not demand? Tanty Tim, you lost me there.
TK ego bigger than his love for Trinidad and Tobago football... He is not personable.. Not a people person by any means.. He may be a successful businessman but not a leader and visionary for our football..
He has proven that in his term... Ask TK where are all the sponsors? He's basically blaming Sancho for not having sponsors.. Which is ridiculous..
TK was a man who was in the right place at the right time.. Something like constitutional reform which should have happened decades ago under Camps is happening now because of JW and his lawsuits and worldwide scandal.. TK capitalizing on something that was already coming...
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Not reading the rantings of a madman and I didn't reading his story. Erring on the side of my own expdrience. Isn't respect something that you earn and not demand? Tanty Tim, you lost me there.
Well, why did you not read the the story?
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Not reading the rantings of a madman and I didn't reading his story. Erring on the side of my own expdrience. Isn't respect something that you earn and not demand? Tanty Tim, you lost me there.
Well, why did you not read the the story?
I read the headline. That was enough for me. If he had started by saying he has earned respect then, yes, I would have read his story for further information to support his claim.
Why didn't you understand my statement about respect. Let me reiterate for you. Respect is something you must earn.....dictators demand it. You cannot demand respect and receive it without the barrel of a gun. I neither have the time nor respect for someone who demands it and then try to support that demand with the ravings of a madman.
What are you? His supporting cast?
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Not reading the rantings of a madman and I didn't reading his story. Erring on the side of my own expdrience. Isn't respect something that you earn and not demand? Tanty Tim, you lost me there.
Well, why did you not read the the story?
I read the headline. That was enough for me. If he had started by saying he has earned respect then, yes, I would have read his story for further information to support his claim.
Why didn't you understand my statement about respect. Let me reiterate for you. Respect is something you must earn.....dictators demand it. You cannot demand respect and receive it without the barrel of a gun. I neither have the time nor respect for someone who demands it and then try to support that demand with the ravings of a madman.
What are you? His supporting cast?
TK is a narcissist and I said this from the beginning and it is coming to pass, once more..
Ah fed call out these people that in the TTFA.... And it almost always falls on deaf ears in this forum..
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I had said all along that if Jack had given these guys at least 100 thousand each, it may have had some grumbling, but they would have had something substantial along with the 1 million Manning gave them. It may not have had this long protracted impasse, which set back our football immensely. The impasse has pushed people away from football. It appears that we have lost what ever little of the football culture of the past that I have known.
F---k you Jack.
Deeks, I know for a fact that if Jack told them they had a TT$50k bonus, they would have grumbled a little, but once they knew they were getting a bonus from the Govt, they would have been ok. They had no idea how much sponsorship came in, but they did know that they were treated well in the preparation. It was because of their feelings of sheer disrespect by Jack that they pursued the bonus case. Remember, it was the information I requested you guys on the forum to supply that finally told the true story about income. Up to then, they had no idea.
But I remember clearly the first time I met with Ian Cox, Sancho and Kelvin Jack and they told me they had been offered less than TT$5,000 each. Of course, I had no idea how much that was in sterling so I looked at them dumbly and said "Ok, is that a lot?' When they said less than 500 pounds for playing in a world cup, I was gobsmacked!!
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Well said Tim Kee.
Sancho playing man for fool, he want to meet for what? and then he still not helping out?
He want to meet just to let de public know he want to meet?
De books in KPMG hands, is not like de TTFA hiding it?
Sancho is a dam backside and a half.
That is why Stern John did vex with him to for trying to squeeze money from him now he trying to make up and give Stern John a bling bilge to make him feel good.
De Men team did so well and now they not getting nothing and no government support while de CPL and de WPL getting all de support and none is Trinidad and Tobago official teams.
Sancho kissing de foreigners ass but ignoring the locals.
He saying he want to help but then he turning around and back stabbing de federation to try and make them look bad in public.
Sancho need to open he books at Central FC and give de players what he promise them.
No wonder Terry Fenwick call him ah imps.
Sam, you amaze me sometimes! Are you really so gullible? Look at this one sentence: The governing body of football in Trinidad and Tobago is expected to show leadership and vision in establishing a plan to advance the prospects of our national team programs, especially as our senior men’s team has emerged from an encouraging Gold Cup performance and is about to embark upon the Road To Russia 2018 World Cup campaign.
Can you not see the hypocrisy in that statement? Explain exactly what leadership and planning Tim-Kee put into place? What sponsors are on board? Their biggest expense is match fees, so how can they reduce those? Who will foot the bill for warm up games? How much do they receive from FIFA for playing in the World Cup qualifiers?
RTK: "Right Sheldon, here's the plan: We have a cabinet note sitting there so we don't need to raise a single dollar for Gold Cup, plus that sucker Sancho will pay all of our flights while we keep all of the Gold Cup travel allowance and prize money. Offer the players whatever you want in match fees, coz Sancho won't let his pals go without. Plus, it's election year so I'll just keep running to the papers so he'll have to back down. What's that, Sheldon? Sponsors? Nah boy, doh waste yuh time on dat. Sheldon, why are you wasting time on planning for 2018? Just send the bills to the Ministry. It will be our guys in power by then so we'll get everything we want and we can keep the FIFA money to pay for a new website."
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Not reading the rantings of a madman and I didn't reading his story. Erring on the side of my own expdrience. Isn't respect something that you earn and not demand? Tanty Tim, you lost me there.
Well, why did you not read the the story?
I read the headline. That was enough for me. If he had started by saying he has earned respect then, yes, I would have read his story for further information to support his claim.
Why didn't you understand my statement about respect. Let me reiterate for you. Respect is something you must earn.....dictators demand it. You cannot demand respect and receive it without the barrel of a gun. I neither have the time nor respect for someone who demands it and then try to support that demand with the ravings of a madman.
What are you? His supporting cast?
TK is a narcissist and I said this from the beginning and it is coming to pass, once more..
Ah fed call out these people that in the TTFA.... And it almost always falls on deaf ears in this forum..
Breds, when it comes to the TTFA nothing falls on deaf ears. Although, for me, it has become very difficult to give him the benefit of doubt. The fact that he has been unable to raise funds to run the TTFa, is the number one issue. If he had the money, we would not be talking about him like that. I honestly don't feel he can take the TTFA and the football to the next level. The UNC/PNM politics is affecting the football. Right now with UNC in power and having the upper hand, will not help him.
You are correct when you say respect is earn. TK is no Jack Warner. He don't weild the power Jack had. Anybody saying otherwise is disingenuous. TK don't sideline players and coaches like Jack used to do. He don't control CFU and 24 votes. He don't even has much saying in TT pro football. You can blame him for that. That is Dexter and them baby. He runs the national semipro. Now if you want to blame him for how that is run. Fine. You want to blame for the U23 fiasco, the PanAm games fiasco. Fine. That manager, David Muhammed. Fine.
Now he was the right man/wrong man when Jack got busted. He found the association in a big trou macaque. He found a way to settle the outstanding debt of Jack Warner. The players get most of the money. TTFA still owe them as he stated. Jack said he owed the players nothing. He had an independent group write the new constitution, which has most of the things we on this forum demanded. You think Jack would have done that?
I am not a TK fan, but he has earn some respect for attempting to put the TTFA house in order, so the next president can function effectively. I do hope the next president is someone who can do a better job in attracting sponsors, not only in TT but outside of TT. We can't seem to depend on the local financiers when things are crucial. I do hope the next president is not a political party hack. This a big problem with our football.
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Well said Tim Kee.
Sancho playing man for fool, he want to meet for what? and then he still not helping out?
He want to meet just to let de public know he want to meet?
De books in KPMG hands, is not like de TTFA hiding it?
Sancho is a dam backside and a half.
That is why Stern John did vex with him to for trying to squeeze money from him now he trying to make up and give Stern John a bling bilge to make him feel good.
De Men team did so well and now they not getting nothing and no government support while de CPL and de WPL getting all de support and none is Trinidad and Tobago official teams.
Sancho kissing de foreigners ass but ignoring the locals.
He saying he want to help but then he turning around and back stabbing de federation to try and make them look bad in public.
Sancho need to open he books at Central FC and give de players what he promise them.
No wonder Terry Fenwick call him ah imps.
Sam, you amaze me sometimes! Are you really so gullible? Look at this one sentence: The governing body of football in Trinidad and Tobago is expected to show leadership and vision in establishing a plan to advance the prospects of our national team programs, especially as our senior men’s team has emerged from an encouraging Gold Cup performance and is about to embark upon the Road To Russia 2018 World Cup campaign.
Can you not see the hypocrisy in that statement? Explain exactly what leadership and planning Tim-Kee put into place? What sponsors are on board? Their biggest expense is match fees, so how can they reduce those? Who will foot the bill for warm up games? How much do they receive from FIFA for playing in the World Cup qualifiers?
RTK: "Right Sheldon, here's the plan: We have a cabinet note sitting there so we don't need to raise a single dollar for Gold Cup, plus that sucker Sancho will pay all of our flights while we keep all of the Gold Cup travel allowance and prize money. Offer the players whatever you want in match fees, coz Sancho won't let his pals go without. Plus, it's election year so I'll just keep running to the papers so he'll have to back down. What's that, Sheldon? Sponsors? Nah boy, doh waste yuh time on dat. Sheldon, why are you wasting time on planning for 2018? Just send the bills to the Ministry. It will be our guys in power by then so we'll get everything we want and we can keep the FIFA money to pay for a new website."
I like that sentence and you making sense there.
But if all de companies is PP supported why would they support a PNM TTFA? that has been de issue.
De TTFA on de other hand, just waiting on government funds and I find that really bad.
In 3 years Tim Kee cah get one sponsor?
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Minister Sancho responds to TTFA president.
By Mark Pouchet (Express).
Ready to work alone
Minister of Sport Brent Sancho said he would continue to help the national men's senior football team to qualify for the FIFA 2018 World Cup in Russia, with or without Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (T&TFA) president Raymond Tim Kee.
Sancho was yesterday responding to statements made by Tim Kee in a four-page letter to the media on the weekend, in which the Port of Spain mayor said Sancho had shown “a lack of respect” in dealing with the TTFA.
Tim Kee had also disputed Sancho's public statements about the TTFA on matters of transparency and accountability, the promised Government funding and communication between the TTFA and the Ministry of Sport.
But contacted yesterday, Sancho said: “I have absolutely no interest in Mr Tim Kee's political utterances. I want to make it very clear he (Tim Kee) has a political agenda and he can try to pretend otherwise. My main focus is with or without his inclusion, to chart a course to the national men's senior football team reaching the World Cup and putting things in place necessary for them to attain this goal.
“I will do whatever in my power to make sure. It is my clear goal and focus — the players and coaching staff and football team — as it has always been my focus since my inception (as Minister of Sport),” Sancho told the Express.
The former Soca Warrior said his Ministry continues to pay the coaching staff and players since he claimed the TTFA had reneged on its promise to both parties.
Sancho said the Ministry has contributed 95 per cent of the TTFA's source of funds and has continued to support national football.
“So much so that in the last year, this fiscal year has been a landmark year as it relates to funding to the TTFA. It has been unprecedented funding and a record-breaking year as it relates to funding from the Ministry of Sport towards the TTFA,” he said
Sancho said the Ministry is in the final stages of purchasing the parcel of land for the TTFA GOAL project, a grassroots programme that aims to target all areas in the country.
“While Tim Kee continues or tries to continue to use the players and football as a political pawn, we at the Ministry and this Government has continued to work extremely hard to ensure that football continues to strive, continues to reach all of the goals set,” Sancho said.
On the issue of the ongoing court matter between some of the 2006 Soca Warriors team and the TTFA, Sancho insisted he is no longer part of the litigating team and Tim Kee should have known this since he has had extensive discussions with current Soca Warrior Kenwyne Jones, one oft the litigants in that case.
“ We have made it simple at the Ministry, in what we ask for and continue to ask for...the TTFA to be accountable and transparent. That is crux of the matter,” he said.
Asked if the TTFA had not furnished the Ministry with audited accounts for 2008-2012, Sancho replied: “ We have asked and received information about CONCACAF monies for their (T&T's) participation in the Gold Cup but up to this minute we still have not gotten any official documentation other than what we were told CONCACAF gave them (TTFA).
They (TTFA) have said to us they have paid certain bills with this money but lo and behold the Ministry is left with the bill in our hand and we have had to cover again all they have said they had paid. So clearly they have not been transparent and honest in what they have said they have distributed,” Sancho concluded.
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Here we go again.
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I am trying to understand something.
Some main factors that Sancho pointed out.
The government contributed 95 per cent to the TTFA?? That is incredible, so a measly 5% the TTFA cant cough up?
So the TTFA spend T&T's participation in the Gold Cup money on something else and billing the MOS for the same thing they said they spend it on? Didn't Tim Kee said they used some on PanAm team but then the TTOC paid for the PanAm team? And everyone know the prize money Sancho, its only 125,000.00 USD, its on the CONCACAF website, not need for a official document, maybe on how its going to be spent.
What I dont understand is why can't the TTFA just open their books? Why do they need to wait for a SPECIAL auditing company, are there only one auditing company in T&T?
All this to me is very suspicious and the way things are going, it will only get worst for the TTFA if they not clean. I am also surprised that Sheldon Phillips came here with the same Trini mentality, secrets and lies?
Cause if they dod not want to open their books, then something must be wrong?
And Sancho is saying two things, one minute he wants the accounts from 2008 - 2012 but apparently, he does not want it anymore and just want the TTFA to account for the gold cup money?
The TTFA using the money they team earned for their personal gain and then billing the government for the same thing they said they used the money on.
Double standard.
Sancho definitely have an agenda and Tim Kee seems like he not telling 100% the truth.
To recipe for diaster.
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Well said Tim Kee.
Sancho playing man for fool, he want to meet for what? and then he still not helping out?
He want to meet just to let de public know he want to meet?
De books in KPMG hands, is not like de TTFA hiding it?
Sancho is a dam backside and a half.
That is why Stern John did vex with him to for trying to squeeze money from him now he trying to make up and give Stern John a bling bilge to make him feel good.
De Men team did so well and now they not getting nothing and no government support while de CPL and de WPL getting all de support and none is Trinidad and Tobago official teams.
Sancho kissing de foreigners ass but ignoring the locals.
He saying he want to help but then he turning around and back stabbing de federation to try and make them look bad in public.
Sancho need to open he books at Central FC and give de players what he promise them.
No wonder Terry Fenwick call him ah imps.
Sam, you amaze me sometimes! Are you really so gullible? Look at this one sentence: The governing body of football in Trinidad and Tobago is expected to show leadership and vision in establishing a plan to advance the prospects of our national team programs, especially as our senior men’s team has emerged from an encouraging Gold Cup performance and is about to embark upon the Road To Russia 2018 World Cup campaign.
Can you not see the hypocrisy in that statement? Explain exactly what leadership and planning Tim-Kee put into place? What sponsors are on board? Their biggest expense is match fees, so how can they reduce those? Who will foot the bill for warm up games? How much do they receive from FIFA for playing in the World Cup qualifiers?
RTK: "Right Sheldon, here's the plan: We have a cabinet note sitting there so we don't need to raise a single dollar for Gold Cup, plus that sucker Sancho will pay all of our flights while we keep all of the Gold Cup travel allowance and prize money. Offer the players whatever you want in match fees, coz Sancho won't let his pals go without. Plus, it's election year so I'll just keep running to the papers so he'll have to back down. What's that, Sheldon? Sponsors? Nah boy, doh waste yuh time on dat. Sheldon, why are you wasting time on planning for 2018? Just send the bills to the Ministry. It will be our guys in power by then so we'll get everything we want and we can keep the FIFA money to pay for a new website."
I like that sentence and you making sense there.
But if all de companies is PP supported why would they support a PNM TTFA? that has been de issue.
De TTFA on de other hand, just waiting on government funds and I find that really bad.
In 3 years Tim Kee cah get one sponsor?
and why you think TK can't or don't want to get one sponsor???
because if TK goes out of his way and this team does well under a UNC government, he will be defeating his purpose of getting back PNM into power...
so he giving a half hearted effort and putting the pressure on Sancho and the current government, but fabricating these obstacles..
allyuh men lacking the foresight to see the politics playing here with TK
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Well said Tim Kee.
Sancho playing man for fool, he want to meet for what? and then he still not helping out?
He want to meet just to let de public know he want to meet?
De books in KPMG hands, is not like de TTFA hiding it?
Sancho is a dam backside and a half.
That is why Stern John did vex with him to for trying to squeeze money from him now he trying to make up and give Stern John a bling bilge to make him feel good.
De Men team did so well and now they not getting nothing and no government support while de CPL and de WPL getting all de support and none is Trinidad and Tobago official teams.
Sancho kissing de foreigners ass but ignoring the locals.
He saying he want to help but then he turning around and back stabbing de federation to try and make them look bad in public.
Sancho need to open he books at Central FC and give de players what he promise them.
No wonder Terry Fenwick call him ah imps.
Sam, you amaze me sometimes! Are you really so gullible? Look at this one sentence: The governing body of football in Trinidad and Tobago is expected to show leadership and vision in establishing a plan to advance the prospects of our national team programs, especially as our senior men’s team has emerged from an encouraging Gold Cup performance and is about to embark upon the Road To Russia 2018 World Cup campaign.
Can you not see the hypocrisy in that statement? Explain exactly what leadership and planning Tim-Kee put into place? What sponsors are on board? Their biggest expense is match fees, so how can they reduce those? Who will foot the bill for warm up games? How much do they receive from FIFA for playing in the World Cup qualifiers?
RTK: "Right Sheldon, here's the plan: We have a cabinet note sitting there so we don't need to raise a single dollar for Gold Cup, plus that sucker Sancho will pay all of our flights while we keep all of the Gold Cup travel allowance and prize money. Offer the players whatever you want in match fees, coz Sancho won't let his pals go without. Plus, it's election year so I'll just keep running to the papers so he'll have to back down. What's that, Sheldon? Sponsors? Nah boy, doh waste yuh time on dat. Sheldon, why are you wasting time on planning for 2018? Just send the bills to the Ministry. It will be our guys in power by then so we'll get everything we want and we can keep the FIFA money to pay for a new website."
I like that sentence and you making sense there.
But if all de companies is PP supported why would they support a PNM TTFA? that has been de issue.
De TTFA on de other hand, just waiting on government funds and I find that really bad.
In 3 years Tim Kee cah get one sponsor?
and why you think TK can't or don't want to get one sponsor???
because if TK goes out of his way and this team does well under a UNC government, he will be defeating his purpose of getting back PNM into power...
so he giving a half hearted effort and putting the pressure on Sancho and the current government, but fabricating these obstacles..
allyuh men lacking the foresight to see the politics playing here with TK
Contro, Yuh ever try flipping in de air and spitting in yuh kakahole at de same time?
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and why you think TK can't or don't want to get one sponsor???
because if TK goes out of his way and this team does well under a UNC government, he will be defeating his purpose of getting back PNM into power...
so he giving a half hearted effort and putting the pressure on Sancho and the current government, but fabricating these obstacles..
allyuh men lacking the foresight to see the politics playing here with TK
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Well said Tim Kee.
Sancho playing man for fool, he want to meet for what? and then he still not helping out?
He want to meet just to let de public know he want to meet?
De books in KPMG hands, is not like de TTFA hiding it?
Sancho is a dam backside and a half.
That is why Stern John did vex with him to for trying to squeeze money from him now he trying to make up and give Stern John a bling bilge to make him feel good.
De Men team did so well and now they not getting nothing and no government support while de CPL and de WPL getting all de support and none is Trinidad and Tobago official teams.
Sancho kissing de foreigners ass but ignoring the locals.
He saying he want to help but then he turning around and back stabbing de federation to try and make them look bad in public.
Sancho need to open he books at Central FC and give de players what he promise them.
No wonder Terry Fenwick call him ah imps.
Sam, you amaze me sometimes! Are you really so gullible? Look at this one sentence: The governing body of football in Trinidad and Tobago is expected to show leadership and vision in establishing a plan to advance the prospects of our national team programs, especially as our senior men’s team has emerged from an encouraging Gold Cup performance and is about to embark upon the Road To Russia 2018 World Cup campaign.
Can you not see the hypocrisy in that statement? Explain exactly what leadership and planning Tim-Kee put into place? What sponsors are on board? Their biggest expense is match fees, so how can they reduce those? Who will foot the bill for warm up games? How much do they receive from FIFA for playing in the World Cup qualifiers?
RTK: "Right Sheldon, here's the plan: We have a cabinet note sitting there so we don't need to raise a single dollar for Gold Cup, plus that sucker Sancho will pay all of our flights while we keep all of the Gold Cup travel allowance and prize money. Offer the players whatever you want in match fees, coz Sancho won't let his pals go without. Plus, it's election year so I'll just keep running to the papers so he'll have to back down. What's that, Sheldon? Sponsors? Nah boy, doh waste yuh time on dat. Sheldon, why are you wasting time on planning for 2018? Just send the bills to the Ministry. It will be our guys in power by then so we'll get everything we want and we can keep the FIFA money to pay for a new website."
I like that sentence and you making sense there.
But if all de companies is PP supported why would they support a PNM TTFA? that has been de issue.
De TTFA on de other hand, just waiting on government funds and I find that really bad.
In 3 years Tim Kee cah get one sponsor?
and why you think TK can't or don't want to get one sponsor???
because if TK goes out of his way and this team does well under a UNC government, he will be defeating his purpose of getting back PNM into power...
so he giving a half hearted effort and putting the pressure on Sancho and the current government, but fabricating these obstacles..
allyuh men lacking the foresight to see the politics playing here with TK
Contro, Yuh ever try flipping in de air and spitting in yuh kakahole at de same time?
nah not my ting but i see you try that with Bakes...
you ever try using your brain??? you think low comments will validate your stupidity???
Sam, you ever come to a SW.net lime or meet up with posters on the board?
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I am trying to understand something.
Some main factors that Sancho pointed out.
The government contributed 95 per cent to the TTFA?? That is incredible, so a measly 5% the TTFA cant cough up?
So the TTFA spend T&T's participation in the Gold Cup money on something else and billing the MOS for the same thing they said they spend it on? Didn't Tim Kee said they used some on PanAm team but then the TTOC paid for the PanAm team? And everyone know the prize money Sancho, its only 125,000.00 USD, its on the CONCACAF website, not need for a official document, maybe on how its going to be spent.
What I dont understand is why can't the TTFA just open their books? Why do they need to wait for a SPECIAL auditing company, are there only one auditing company in T&T?
All this to me is very suspicious and the way things are going, it will only get worst for the TTFA if they not clean. I am also surprised that Sheldon Phillips came here with the same Trini mentality, secrets and lies?
Cause if they dod not want to open their books, then something must be wrong?
And Sancho is saying two things, one minute he wants the accounts from 2008 - 2012 but apparently, he does not want it anymore and just want the TTFA to account for the gold cup money?
The TTFA using the money they team earned for their personal gain and then billing the government for the same thing they said they used the money on.
Double standard.
Sancho definitely have an agenda and Tim Kee seems like he not telling 100% the truth.
To recipe for diaster.
I don't think Sancho (or anyone) believes that Tim -Kee is thieving money. But it is evident that he doesn't want to share information about money. What they may not want to do is explain exactly what they are spending money on.
For example, if a village cricket club submits a proposal for a village windball competition they would list all of the expenses, then the expected income and request support for the balance.
But TTFA budgets for Gold Cup have shown no income, but still listed expenditure such as flights, laundry, excess baggage, visa costs, insurance.
As you have pointed out, the prize money for Gold Cup is on the CONCACAF website, so it's no secret. Perhaps previous Ministers didn't check? Certainly, the Permanent Secretary didn't know. But the point is, why not declare it? TTFA say they earmarked the money for other uses. With respect, that ain't their decision. Taxpayers are funding the Gold Cup campaign not other projects. Now if you want help with the U17's or U20's, fine. Ask. You may not get funded, but then, maybe you will. Either way, taxpayers money was spent when there was already income in place.
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Well said Tim Kee.
Sancho playing man for fool, he want to meet for what? and then he still not helping out?
He want to meet just to let de public know he want to meet?
De books in KPMG hands, is not like de TTFA hiding it?
Sancho is a dam backside and a half.
That is why Stern John did vex with him to for trying to squeeze money from him now he trying to make up and give Stern John a bling bilge to make him feel good.
De Men team did so well and now they not getting nothing and no government support while de CPL and de WPL getting all de support and none is Trinidad and Tobago official teams.
Sancho kissing de foreigners ass but ignoring the locals.
He saying he want to help but then he turning around and back stabbing de federation to try and make them look bad in public.
Sancho need to open he books at Central FC and give de players what he promise them.
No wonder Terry Fenwick call him ah imps.
Sam, you amaze me sometimes! Are you really so gullible? Look at this one sentence: The governing body of football in Trinidad and Tobago is expected to show leadership and vision in establishing a plan to advance the prospects of our national team programs, especially as our senior men’s team has emerged from an encouraging Gold Cup performance and is about to embark upon the Road To Russia 2018 World Cup campaign.
Can you not see the hypocrisy in that statement? Explain exactly what leadership and planning Tim-Kee put into place? What sponsors are on board? Their biggest expense is match fees, so how can they reduce those? Who will foot the bill for warm up games? How much do they receive from FIFA for playing in the World Cup qualifiers?
RTK: "Right Sheldon, here's the plan: We have a cabinet note sitting there so we don't need to raise a single dollar for Gold Cup, plus that sucker Sancho will pay all of our flights while we keep all of the Gold Cup travel allowance and prize money. Offer the players whatever you want in match fees, coz Sancho won't let his pals go without. Plus, it's election year so I'll just keep running to the papers so he'll have to back down. What's that, Sheldon? Sponsors? Nah boy, doh waste yuh time on dat. Sheldon, why are you wasting time on planning for 2018? Just send the bills to the Ministry. It will be our guys in power by then so we'll get everything we want and we can keep the FIFA money to pay for a new website."
I like that sentence and you making sense there.
But if all de companies is PP supported why would they support a PNM TTFA? that has been de issue.
De TTFA on de other hand, just waiting on government funds and I find that really bad.
In 3 years Tim Kee cah get one sponsor?
and why you think TK can't or don't want to get one sponsor???
because if TK goes out of his way and this team does well under a UNC government, he will be defeating his purpose of getting back PNM into power...
so he giving a half hearted effort and putting the pressure on Sancho and the current government, but fabricating these obstacles..
allyuh men lacking the foresight to see the politics playing here with TK
Contro, Yuh ever try flipping in de air and spitting in yuh kakahole at de same time?
nah not my ting but i see you try that with Bakes...
you ever try using your brain??? you think low comments will validate your stupidity???
Sam, you ever come to a SW.net lime or meet up with posters on the board?
Yea, yuh mammy didn't tell she ah meet she in ah game once?
Ah Flex Bakes, real beat yuh ass one time yuh know, yuh like using de man name and he not even here.
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Well said Tim Kee.
Sancho playing man for fool, he want to meet for what? and then he still not helping out?
He want to meet just to let de public know he want to meet?
De books in KPMG hands, is not like de TTFA hiding it?
Sancho is a dam backside and a half.
That is why Stern John did vex with him to for trying to squeeze money from him now he trying to make up and give Stern John a bling bilge to make him feel good.
De Men team did so well and now they not getting nothing and no government support while de CPL and de WPL getting all de support and none is Trinidad and Tobago official teams.
Sancho kissing de foreigners ass but ignoring the locals.
He saying he want to help but then he turning around and back stabbing de federation to try and make them look bad in public.
Sancho need to open he books at Central FC and give de players what he promise them.
No wonder Terry Fenwick call him ah imps.
Sam, you amaze me sometimes! Are you really so gullible? Look at this one sentence: The governing body of football in Trinidad and Tobago is expected to show leadership and vision in establishing a plan to advance the prospects of our national team programs, especially as our senior men’s team has emerged from an encouraging Gold Cup performance and is about to embark upon the Road To Russia 2018 World Cup campaign.
Can you not see the hypocrisy in that statement? Explain exactly what leadership and planning Tim-Kee put into place? What sponsors are on board? Their biggest expense is match fees, so how can they reduce those? Who will foot the bill for warm up games? How much do they receive from FIFA for playing in the World Cup qualifiers?
RTK: "Right Sheldon, here's the plan: We have a cabinet note sitting there so we don't need to raise a single dollar for Gold Cup, plus that sucker Sancho will pay all of our flights while we keep all of the Gold Cup travel allowance and prize money. Offer the players whatever you want in match fees, coz Sancho won't let his pals go without. Plus, it's election year so I'll just keep running to the papers so he'll have to back down. What's that, Sheldon? Sponsors? Nah boy, doh waste yuh time on dat. Sheldon, why are you wasting time on planning for 2018? Just send the bills to the Ministry. It will be our guys in power by then so we'll get everything we want and we can keep the FIFA money to pay for a new website."
I like that sentence and you making sense there.
But if all de companies is PP supported why would they support a PNM TTFA? that has been de issue.
De TTFA on de other hand, just waiting on government funds and I find that really bad.
In 3 years Tim Kee cah get one sponsor?
and why you think TK can't or don't want to get one sponsor???
because if TK goes out of his way and this team does well under a UNC government, he will be defeating his purpose of getting back PNM into power...
so he giving a half hearted effort and putting the pressure on Sancho and the current government, but fabricating these obstacles..
allyuh men lacking the foresight to see the politics playing here with TK
Contro, Yuh ever try flipping in de air and spitting in yuh kakahole at de same time?
nah not my ting but i see you try that with Bakes...
you ever try using your brain??? you think low comments will validate your stupidity???
Sam, you ever come to a SW.net lime or meet up with posters on the board?
Yea, yuh mammy didn't tell she ah meet she in ah game once?
Ah Flex Bakes, real beat yuh ass one time yuh know, yuh like using de man name and he not even here.
Not what I hear from yuh sister when she was having some pillow talk...I hear my moms diss yuh because she not into dwens..
Bakes beat he self off.. That's why you and others was hiding his real identity from the board... Yuh like to associate with liars ent?
Funny thing is no one ever meet you from the elders on the board and if they did.. You're not who you say you are..
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Not what I hear from yuh sister when she was having some pillow talk...I hear my moms diss yuh because she not into dwens..
Bakes beat he self off.. That's why you and others was hiding his real identity from the board... Yuh like to associate with liars ent?
Funny thing is no one ever meet you from the elders on the board and if they did.. You're not who you say you are..
Dont have a sister, maybe it was yuh cousin?
Bakes, identity is his business, not mines, I not like you eager to meet man.
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Not what I hear from yuh sister when she was having some pillow talk...I hear my moms diss yuh because she not into dwens..
Bakes beat he self off.. That's why you and others was hiding his real identity from the board... Yuh like to associate with liars ent?
Funny thing is no one ever meet you from the elders on the board and if they did.. You're not who you say you are..
Dont have a sister, maybe it was yuh cousin?
Bakes, identity is his business, not mines, I not like you eager to meet man.
Nah not into the incest... We see the negative results of it with you already.. Inbreeding not in my family...
Eagar? LoL why you so eager to protect him and stand up for a liar? Suit your agenda maybe?
Anyways I want to discuss football, like why TK walk out and why he can't pull together sponsors from his own circle of friends and business associates.. Everyone putting pressure on MOS but not on TK
Ask yourself why? Because it is politically driven, it has members of the community that will not support TK, I know that personally.. But he has his connections.. Use them TK, but he doesn't want to because success for the team will reflect positively on the current government..
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Wha kinda mauvais langue and petty talk friggery of a topic goin on now Eh contro n sam allyuh leave dat out de football nah ....... Leh meh just say dis ah really tired of all the political partisan talk ... along with de Bull /S.... This kinda F/up devisive attitude is clearly evident in TnT at the moment . Come on folks what de hell going now ? I for one doh give a damn about who or what party in power UNC or PNM i could care less ...
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Wha kinda mauvais langue and petty talk friggery of a topic goin on now Eh contro n sam allyuh leave dat out de football nah ....... Leh meh just say dis ah really tired of all the political partisan talk ... along with de Bull /S.... This kinda F/up devisive attitude is clearly evident in TnT at the moment . Come on folks what de hell going now ? I for one doh give a damn about who or what party in power UNC or PNM i could care less ...
Talk to the king of mauvais langue .... He is a clown that has some creativity but it's all lies though... I don't care about either party.. I care about football but understand the landscape and how it works..
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seems like Samcho vs Tim troversial , but on a serious note, thanks to socawarriors.net and de army of posters and thousands of views, where is anil?? where is jack?? an de 2 million dollar flag minister?? seems like men eh rushing fuh no office in de sports ministry, especially if they had intentions ah teefin, the reality their name could end up on a web site getting exposed, then front page, then court house is to close for comfort...
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excerpts from the new constitution:
Article 3 Neutrality and non-discrimination
1 TTFA is neutral in matters of party politics and religion.
2 Discrimination of any kind against a country, private person or group of people on account of race, skin colour, ethnic, national or social origin, gender, language, religion, political opinion or any other opinion, wealth, birth or any other status, sexual orientation or any other reason is strictly prohibited and punishable by suspension or expulsion.
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Tim kee going and be in Andre baptiste program at 630pm today...95.5fm if anyone interested...I think it might be very insightful...unfortunately I'm at work and won't be able to tune in..
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LIVE INTERVIEW with Trinidad and Tobago Football Association President, Raymond Tim Kee, and General Secretary, Sheldon Phillips. TUNE IN right now!
http://tunein.com/radio/i955-FM-s50075/
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now sancho have ah voice recording to pick apart and disprove........dat lyer timkee tellin lies on radio now :P
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this Sancho vs Tim kee thing goes deeper down the rabbit hole, is really rasta city vs muslims because pnm came into power after 1990 thanks to abu baka, manning became PM via a coup and was ousted via a coup within the pnm thanks to Rowley, who in turn handed kamla the keys to the treasury on a silver platter, and this is where contracts changed hands and bodies are falling since then to now,like Sodom and Gomorrah if one person could step forward with the truth we could save tnt, but the whole lot drowning in billions, the words of desmond carthy still echoing today in their heads 'all ah we thief'.....
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this Sancho vs Tim kee thing goes deeper down the rabbit hole, is really rasta city vs muslims because pnm came into power after 1990 thanks to abu baka, manning became PM via a coup and was ousted via a coup within the pnm thanks to Rowley, who in turn handed kamla the keys to the treasury on a silver platter, and this is where contracts changed hands and bodies are falling since then to now,like Sodom and Gomorrah if one person could step forward with the truth we could save tnt, but the whole lot drowning in billions, the words of desmond carthy still echoing today in their heads 'all ah we thief'.....
Ah guess David Muhammad wok secure then, because Tim Kee hire him because he is muslim, even though he constantly f00cking up.
Ah wish PP/UNC lose elcetion boy.
Lard, go love to see Sancho face.
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this Sancho vs Tim kee thing goes deeper down the rabbit hole, is really rasta city vs muslims because pnm came into power after 1990 thanks to abu baka, manning became PM via a coup and was ousted via a coup within the pnm thanks to Rowley, who in turn handed kamla the keys to the treasury on a silver platter, and this is where contracts changed hands and bodies are falling since then to now,like Sodom and Gomorrah if one person could step forward with the truth we could save tnt, but the whole lot drowning in billions, the words of desmond carthy still echoing today in their heads 'all ah we thief'.....
Ah guess David Muhammad wok secure then, because Tim Kee hire him because he is muslim, even though he constantly f00cking up.
Ah wish PP/UNC lose elcetion boy.
Lard, go love to see Sancho face.
but yuh love seeing TK face ent??? :D
after TK blank Flex for so long on here and conveniently pop up before elections and facing a heavy defeat at the agm... allyuh men is fools yes.. all that grand charge yuh eating up like sauce doubles on a friday evening, will give you belly wuk...
if TK have his padnahs in charge... you will see how that friendliness and convenient interviews dry up...
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this Sancho vs Tim kee thing goes deeper down the rabbit hole, is really rasta city vs muslims because pnm came into power after 1990 thanks to abu baka, manning became PM via a coup and was ousted via a coup within the pnm thanks to Rowley, who in turn handed kamla the keys to the treasury on a silver platter, and this is where contracts changed hands and bodies are falling since then to now,like Sodom and Gomorrah if one person could step forward with the truth we could save tnt, but the whole lot drowning in billions, the words of desmond carthy still echoing today in their heads 'all ah we thief'.....
Ah guess David Muhammad wok secure then, because Tim Kee hire him because he is muslim, even though he constantly f00cking up.
Ah wish PP/UNC lose elcetion boy.
Lard, go love to see Sancho face.
Is RTK a Muslim?
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this Sancho vs Tim kee thing goes deeper down the rabbit hole, is really rasta city vs muslims because pnm came into power after 1990 thanks to abu baka, manning became PM via a coup and was ousted via a coup within the pnm thanks to Rowley, who in turn handed kamla the keys to the treasury on a silver platter, and this is where contracts changed hands and bodies are falling since then to now,like Sodom and Gomorrah if one person could step forward with the truth we could save tnt, but the whole lot drowning in billions, the words of desmond carthy still echoing today in their heads 'all ah we thief'.....
Ah guess David Muhammad wok secure then, because Tim Kee hire him because he is muslim, even though he constantly f00cking up.
Ah wish PP/UNC lose elcetion boy.
Lard, go love to see Sancho face.
Is RTK a Muslim?
i don't think so... but i believe OTB was referring to political alignment with gangs... namely pnm with the muslim faction and rasta city with the unc... regarding the shifts in govt contracts
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RTK is in fact muslim
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RTK is in fact muslim
interesting... i'll take your word for it, as I have never heard that from anyone, but then again, I never inquired...
it would explain the power dynamic going on and where the struggle lies sadly...
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RTK is in fact muslim
interesting... i'll take your word for it, as I have never heard that from anyone, but then again, I never inquired...
it would explain the power dynamic going on and where the struggle lies sadly...
I also think they are both associated with the Black Caucus movement.
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RTK is in fact muslim
interesting... i'll take your word for it, as I have never heard that from anyone, but then again, I never inquired...
it would explain the power dynamic going on and where the struggle lies sadly...
I also think they are both associated with the Black Caucus movement.
both?? sancho and TK? or you mean mohammed and TK?
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RTK is in fact muslim
interesting... i'll take your word for it, as I have never heard that from anyone, but then again, I never inquired...
it would explain the power dynamic going on and where the struggle lies sadly...
I also think they are both associated with the Black Caucus movement.
both?? sancho and TK? or you mean mohammed and TK?
LOL mohammed and TK
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RTK is in fact muslim
interesting... i'll take your word for it, as I have never heard that from anyone, but then again, I never inquired...
it would explain the power dynamic going on and where the struggle lies sadly...
I also think they are both associated with the Black Caucus movement.
both?? sancho and TK? or you mean mohammed and TK?
LOL mohammed and TK
thanks brother :beermug:
so its an ole boys club... neither of them competent enough to run our football, but belong to the same caucus so they scratching each other back and digging out our football program eyes in the process...
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http://socawarriors.net/mens-senior-team/67-mens-senior-team/1971-notice-from-the-ttff-regarding-david-nakhid.html
http://legacy.guardian.co.tt/archives/2005-10-25/sports4.html
Almost Everyone remembers that... The only thing I can say is, in other sports the teams share their videos to the opponent... It's normal place...JW and them made their money as well.. What Nakhid did was wrong but people can be forgiven for their past indiscretions... It was bitterness and treachery to a certain extent, but we prevailed regardless, God had that preordained for us, not even Nakhid could have stopped that..
In terms of the racist remark, can anyone share what was that racist remark? I forgot about that...
Nakhid supports this current team I believe and he wishes them well so I believe he's moved on and may have realized he made his mistakes and was sorry for it... Maybe he should address them and put it to rest...
Obviously, some things although addressed can never be put to rest, ad nauseum....oops did I make a wrong thread post ?