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Title: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Flex on April 06, 2015, 04:39:35 AM
Hart open to foreign-born players.
By COLIN BENJAMIN (NEWSDAY).


TRINIDAD AND Tobago football team coach Stephan Hart has stated he is open to the idea of recruiting foreign-born players with family heritage from the twin island republic to play for the national team, ahead of 2018 World Cup qualification later this year.

Hart used the recent international friendly versus Panama to test out local Pro League players in an attempt to strength his player pool. “I’m all for it (getting foreign players) once the players show an allegiance. But it’s also equally important that we present our selves as professional as possible with our planning to such potential players,” explained Hart.

It was reported in February that former national midfielder Chris Birchall speaking about 19-year-old Crystal Palace defender Ryan Inniss as an option for the “Soca Warriors”. He is currently on loan at Birchall’s club Port Vale, stands at six feet five inches, has played for England’s Under-16 and U-17 teams and has a Trinidadian father.

While Hart understandably did not want to confirm whether he has made any approach to Inniss, he did confirm that discussions with players such as Inniss were done in recent times.

Throughout the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) in the last few months many teams are making attempts to solicit overseas-based (mainly Europe) talent to strengthen their squads.

Last December, DIRECTV W Connection played an international friendly versus a European boosted Suriname who has an ambitions vision called “Project Suriname”, in which they are seeking to bring back many Dutch players born to Surinamese parents. Caledonia AIA coach Jamaal Shabazz recently began his third stint as Guyana coach and they attracted players with English Premier League and championship experience in Matthew Briggs and Neil Danns.

CFU Champions Jamaica alongside Antigua, Grenada and St Kitts/Nevis also have similar plans.

Hart noted this development certainly means CFU teams boosted by these overseas acquisitions will be no pushovers. Thus the traditional strong CFU/CONCACAF teams will have to maintain their competitive edge, to avoid being eliminated earlier than expected like what happened to Trinidad and Tobago in the 2014 qualifying campaign.

Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: trini_stallion on April 06, 2015, 04:54:48 AM
Scouting is all well and fine..but how about international friendlies...I was reading concacaf.com and all our neighbors used the international window to its full potential playing 2 games against top competition. ..is only the TTFA playing De ass...I am of the opinion that they think the gold cup would be sufficient playing for the time being...and then after that...They will see about some friendlies for the world cup campaign. ..I keep braying. ..mr. ttfa. ..fail to prepare and prepare to fail!!! Tim Kee not serious about football..He serious about being mayor for town...something hadda happen...is 9 years now...we taste a WC...we know what it takes...come on now!
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Deeks on April 06, 2015, 04:57:28 AM
I already put that fiasco(2014 WC) out of my mind. I can't even remember!
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Errol on April 06, 2015, 05:02:09 AM
Scouting is all well and fine..but how about international friendlies...I was reading concacaf.com and all our neighbors used the international window to its full potential playing 2 games against top competition. ..is only the TTFA playing De ass...I am of the opinion that they think the gold cup would be sufficient playing for the time being...and then after that...They will see about some friendlies for the world cup campaign. ..I keep braying. ..mr. ttfa. ..fail to prepare and prepare to fail!!! Tim Kee not serious about football..He serious about being mayor for town...something hadda happen...is 9 years now...we taste a WC...we know what it takes...come on now!

Good talk.

Hart saying one thing but doing the next.

I am sure Inniss and DeLeon could have made the trip instead of regulars like Hoyte and Molino.

He cant call them to play for T&T in the gold cup, now is the time to see them play and get them accustom with T&T style and players.

We dont get much friendlies so when we do we have to make it count.

Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Deeks on April 06, 2015, 06:55:34 AM
Errol, you know for sure that Deleon wants to play for TT?
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Banter Banton on April 06, 2015, 08:23:48 AM
Anyone have a list of potential foreign born players ?  Please add any name to the small list I have below.

Gavin Hoyte has played for us already and I'm sure he will be part of squad going forward.

Gavin Hoyte (Defender- RB+CB - Gillingham- 24 yrs)
Ryan Innis (Defender- RB+CB- Crystal Palace on loan at Port Vale- 19yrs)
Nick De Leon (Midfielder- CAM+LAM- DC United- 24 yrs)
Hallam Hope (Striker - Bury- 21 yrs)
Sheanon Williams (Right Back- Philadelphia Union- 25 yrs)
Rory McKenzie (Winger- Kilmarnock- 21 yrs)
Dale Bennet (Defender- Forest Green Rovers in England- 25 yrs)
Shaquell Moore (Defender - FC Dallas ? - 19 yrs)
Aaron Maund (Defender - Real Salt Lake- 24 yrs)


We are lacking wide options. If we could find a winger that would be ideal.

Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: royal on April 06, 2015, 09:33:12 AM
Zamora -  QPR       :devil:
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: FireBrand on April 06, 2015, 10:43:21 AM
Anyone have a list of potential foreign born players ?  Please add any name to the small list I have below.

Gavin Hoyte has played for us already and I'm sure he will be part of squad going forward.

Gavin Hoyte (Defender- RB+CB - Gillingham- 24 yrs)
Ryan Innis (Defender- RB+CB- Crystal Palace on loan at Port Vale- 19yrs)
Nick De Leon (Midfielder- CAM+LAM- DC United- 24 yrs)
Hallam Hope (Striker - Bury- 21 yrs)
Sheanon Williams (Right Back- Philadelphia Union- 25 yrs)
Rory McKenzie (Winger- Kilmarnock- 21 yrs)
Dale Bennet (Defender- Forest Green Rovers in England- 25 yrs)
Shaquell Moore (Defender - FC Dallas ? - 19 yrs)
Aaron Maund (Defender - Real Salt Lake- 24 yrs)


We are lacking wide options. If we could find a winger that would be ideal.



John Bostock (CAM & RW - OH Leuven {Belgium 2nd Division} - 23 yrs)

Daniel Carr (Striker - Huddersfield Town - 21 yrs)

I don't think Hope is eligible as his parents aren't trini. His grandfather is though.
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Trini _2026 on April 06, 2015, 11:15:21 AM
Anyone have a list of potential foreign born players ?  Please add any name to the small list I have below.

Gavin Hoyte has played for us already and I'm sure he will be part of squad going forward.

Gavin Hoyte (Defender- RB+CB - Gillingham- 24 yrs)
Ryan Innis (Defender- RB+CB- Crystal Palace on loan at Port Vale- 19yrs)
Nick De Leon (Midfielder- CAM+LAM- DC United- 24 yrs)
Hallam Hope (Striker - Bury- 21 yrs)
Sheanon Williams (Right Back- Philadelphia Union- 25 yrs)
Rory McKenzie (Winger- Kilmarnock- 21 yrs)
Dale Bennet (Defender- Forest Green Rovers in England- 25 yrs)
Shaquell Moore (Defender - FC Dallas ? - 19 yrs)
Aaron Maund (Defender - Real Salt Lake- 24 yrs)


We are lacking wide options. If we could find a winger that would be ideal.



John Bostock (CAM & RW - OH Leuven {Belgium 2nd Division} - 23 yrs)

Daniel Carr (Striker - Huddersfield Town - 21 yrs)

I don't think Hope is eligible as his parents aren't trini. His grandfather is though.

John bostock is who we need he is a dead ball specialist . there are more   . I think rohan Ince may be eligible also
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Sam on April 06, 2015, 01:18:41 PM
De day Hart or any T&T coach call up Aaron Maund is de day I officially stop supporting T&T football.

Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Sam on April 06, 2015, 02:07:23 PM
Jason Puncheon, half Trini and Jamaican.

Not 100% sure though.

Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Deeks on April 06, 2015, 03:40:07 PM
Jason Puncheon, half Trini and Jamaican.

Not 100% sure though.



Just by his name, he would feel at home in TT.
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: elan on April 06, 2015, 04:49:42 PM
By now De Leon knows he eh getting any call up to the USMNT. College players and NASL/USL players getting minutes on the USMNT and De Leon eh even getting ah training camp. So it have to be he eh wasting he time with T&T - just like Zamora.
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: elan on April 06, 2015, 04:51:57 PM
Wait why has is Samuel[?] (think he playing in the Middle east now, related to Andre) never play for we again?
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Tallman on April 06, 2015, 05:58:24 PM
Wait why has is Samuel[?] (think he playing in the Middle east now, related to Andre) never play for we again?

Remember this? TTFF manager takes Jlloyd for a joy ride (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=46486.0)
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Deeks on April 06, 2015, 06:29:50 PM
I think J Lloyd was a pretty good player.
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: elan on April 06, 2015, 09:25:24 PM
Wait why has is Samuel[?] (think he playing in the Middle east now, related to Andre) never play for we again?

Remember this? TTFF manager takes Jlloyd for a joy ride (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=46486.0)

Oh gawd oh....how I forget that boy. Textgate
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Controversial on April 06, 2015, 10:28:24 PM
yea but are the foreign born players open to playing for the inept TTFA???

that is the real question...
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: dreamer on April 07, 2015, 06:35:43 AM
yea but are the foreign born players open to playing for the inept TTFA???

that is the real question...

Watch yuh contents homie. Yuh could get persecuted / terrorized by them or their Boko-TTFA henchmen
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Thomo on April 07, 2015, 12:45:45 PM
I dunno why this is even a debate when our competitors are clearly reaping the benefits of such. Lord knows we need them to at least to give this present bunch some competition cause from what I see some dudes have started getting comfortable. However as the situation remains the same with this seemingly inept TTFA, I doubt any will come on board soon. If this bunch of lads don't step up their game in the next 6 months we'll struggle in the WC qualifiers against other countries that make use of the same foreign-born players
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: palos on April 07, 2015, 01:02:02 PM
You're a professional footballer not born in T&T, know of it through your family, and eligible to play for T&T as a result of said family.

You're open to the idea of playing for T&T and excited about playing international football, knowing full well that you're unlikely to be selected for the country of your birth

You've done some research and realize that T&T has some footballing pedigree and has even been to a FIFA Men's World Cup where they performed creditably.  They've also been to the World Cup at U20 and U17 level.

You're a proactive individual and decide to contact the Federation to tell them of your interest and eligibility.

Then you find out you have to pay your own way to Trinidad to maybe have a trial.

What would you do?
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Sam on April 07, 2015, 01:14:07 PM
Palas yuh is a boss, good one.

And better yet, yuh eating KFC and drinking water in training.

And they have no bibs, cones etc.

Then yuh find out you might have to wait two years to get paid and you may not play for T&T again even though you is de best player because de TTFA doh have de money to buy yuh plane ticket.

Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: weary1969 on April 07, 2015, 01:19:00 PM
These from the same people who kill Maund who played and then drop we faster than a bad habit. HYPOCRITES AMONG US.
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Bitter on April 07, 2015, 01:49:16 PM
Zamora can get his chance now.  ::)
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Controversial on April 07, 2015, 02:42:44 PM
You're a professional footballer not born in T&T, know of it through your family, and eligible to play for T&T as a result of said family.

You're open to the idea of playing for T&T and excited about playing international football, knowing full well that you're unlikely to be selected for the country of your birth

You've done some research and realize that T&T has some footballing pedigree and has even been to a FIFA Men's World Cup where they performed creditably.  They've also been to the World Cup at U20 and U17 level.

You're a proactive individual and decide to contact the Federation to tell them of your interest and eligibility.

Then you find out you have to pay your own way to Trinidad to maybe have a trial.

What would you do?

was waiting for the punchline breds  :D nice :beermug:
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Deeks on April 07, 2015, 03:20:40 PM
You're a professional footballer not born in T&T, know of it through your family, and eligible to play for T&T as a result of said family.

You're open to the idea of playing for T&T and excited about playing international football, knowing full well that you're unlikely to be selected for the country of your birth

You've done some research and realize that T&T has some footballing pedigree and has even been to a FIFA Men's World Cup where they performed creditably.  They've also been to the World Cup at U20 and U17 level.

You're a proactive individual and decide to contact the Federation to tell them of your interest and eligibility.

Then you find out you have to pay your own way to Trinidad to maybe have a trial.

What would you do?

was waiting for the punchline breds  :D nice :beermug:

Some situations are different that others. Maybe we should ask Me Moms Birchall if he paid his way. If you are a high profiled player and TTFA contacted you, more than likely TTFA will pay your ticket home. But one who is not high profiled will have to pay his or her way. That goes for other sports also. If I recollected, Maxg did have to put out his own money to have his kids come to TT for swimming trials. please correct me Max.aAllyuh know The assoc. bleeding for money.
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Dinner Mints on April 07, 2015, 05:02:55 PM
Zamora can get his chance now.  ::)
Allyuh could vex if allyuh want. I taking him.
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Flex on April 08, 2015, 03:22:14 PM
Just my take on this.

Corbin not doing much these days, he's just not taking football serious.

Inniss badly injured until May or so.

DeLeon have issues getting a passport, his father lost all his papers and like he is not interested in going and get it, he wants the FA to get it and does not realise that he has to go in person.

Kaydion Gabriel may get his chance soon as he has been great all season for Central, but Jamal Jack have been doing well also and did himself no favors vs Panama. So we'll see, these guys have to grab the chance with both hands, we hardly get games therefore its hard for them to get more caps if they show no promise.

Shannon Gomez is attracting MLS interest.

The TTFA is working their socks off the make the camp and games in June a reality and once this happens it will surely help everyone's case.

Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Trini _2026 on April 08, 2015, 04:18:50 PM
Just my take on this.

Corbin not doing much these days, he's just not taking football serious.

Inniss badly injured until May or so.

DeLeon have issues getting a passport, his father lost all his papers and like he is not interested in going and get it, he wants the FA to get it and does not realise that he has to go in person.

Kaydion Gabriel may get his chance soon as he has been great all season for Central, but Jamal Jack have been doing well also and did himself no favors vs Panama. So we'll see, these guys have to grab the chance with both hands, we hardly get games therefore its hard for them to get more caps if they show no promise.

Shannon Gomez is attracting MLS interest.

The TTFA is working their socks off the make the camp and games in June a reality and once this happens it will surely help everyone's case.



so deleon is interested  nice to hear
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: FireBrand on April 08, 2015, 04:34:15 PM
Zamora can get his chance now.  ::)
Allyuh could vex if allyuh want. I taking him.

In our current state...I would add him to the list as well. Kenwyne aside, at 34 Zamora is playing at the highest level and better than any striker we have. He can also be an excellent super sub when KJ stickin'.
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: FireBrand on April 08, 2015, 04:44:57 PM
Just my take on this.

Corbin not doing much these days, he's just not taking football serious.

Inniss badly injured until May or so.

DeLeon have issues getting a passport, his father lost all his papers and like he is not interested in going and get it, he wants the FA to get it and does not realise that he has to go in person.

Kaydion Gabriel may get his chance soon as he has been great all season for Central, but Jamal Jack have been doing well also and did himself no favors vs Panama. So we'll see, these guys have to grab the chance with both hands, we hardly get games therefore its hard for them to get more caps if they show no promise.

Shannon Gomez is attracting MLS interest.

The TTFA is working their socks off the make the camp and games in June a reality and once this happens it will surely help everyone's case.



That's encouraging. Sort it out and get this man in a T&T kit.
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: asylumseeker on April 08, 2015, 08:59:29 PM
Wasn't Gómez reported as having a green card? Impacts MLS! Moreover, if we move shabby, it might impact Gulati.
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Post by: trini_stallion on April 09, 2015, 04:38:33 AM
We missing a keon Daniel in the midfield. ..really nd truly this guy hv that touch of brilliance which could have changed a game...wish him and hart could have sort it out....Keon...call de man...no ego thing...it appears that he doesn't hv this problem just with the National team...but if my recollection serves me right...He also had some issues at Union regarding his poor communication as well...

Idk if I'd start De Leon before tulla. ..but if tulla pulling stones...De Leon cld come in....Hyland IMHO playing a more of a theobald role...which isn't necessarily bad thing...but at this stage in the game I think we need more of a creative mid as a post to a defensive or holding mid....If we were like 2-1 I'd bring on a holding mid...or if we playing a Germany....idk nah guys...but we not having any top international talent playing in the highest leagues in the world...that 06 squad. ..half of the starting line up was playing top class league football...how does this current crop measure...not much I think
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Deeks on April 09, 2015, 09:10:04 AM
So Allyuh saying Nick is committed to the Warriors. Only family hiccups is the issue. When everything is straightened out, it would be indeed nice to see Young Dilly in his "rightful" colours.
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Flex on April 09, 2015, 09:19:01 AM
So Allyuh saying Nick is committed to the Warriors. Only family hiccups is the issue. When everything is straightened out, it would be indeed nice to see Young Dilly in his "rightful" colours.

He wants to play but is not committed in getting his stuff in order himself. Wants the FA to do it.

He is not willing to go the extra.

Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Sam on April 09, 2015, 02:35:44 PM
Just my take on this.

Corbin not doing much these days, he's just not taking football serious.

Inniss badly injured until May or so.

DeLeon have issues getting a passport, his father lost all his papers and like he is not interested in going and get it, he wants the FA to get it and does not realise that he has to go in person.

Kaydion Gabriel may get his chance soon as he has been great all season for Central, but Jamal Jack have been doing well also and did himself no favors vs Panama. So we'll see, these guys have to grab the chance with both hands, we hardly get games therefore its hard for them to get more caps if they show no promise.

Shannon Gomez is attracting MLS interest.

The TTFA is working their socks off the make the camp and games in June a reality and once this happens it will surely help everyone's case.



DeLeon proving he is a real Trini.

Sooner or later he will end up like Robbie Findley.

I really hope Gomez go aboard.

Players like Korbin go end up like Jerol Forbes, full of talent but will live to tell de tail, he shoulda and coulda.

Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Trini _2026 on April 09, 2015, 02:36:32 PM
So Allyuh saying Nick is committed to the Warriors. Only family hiccups is the issue. When everything is straightened out, it would be indeed nice to see Young Dilly in his "rightful" colours.

He wants to play but is not committed in getting his stuff in order himself. Wants the FA to do it.

He is not willing to go the extra.



is so hard to go into the trinidadian embassy ..and get a tnt pasport oh yes
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: royal on July 19, 2015, 10:01:00 PM
Hart may have to make a trip to England and de US in particular to talk to some players. And as he at it look for a keeper. we need a goalie badly.
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Trini _2026 on July 20, 2015, 08:28:45 AM
Hart may have to make a trip to England and de US in particular to talk to some players. And as he at it look for a keeper. we need a goalie badly.

we are so poor attacking guerra came on and had no impact at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: pull stones on July 20, 2015, 10:10:41 AM
Hart may have to make a trip to England and de US in particular to talk to some players. And as he at it look for a keeper. we need a goalie badly.

we are so poor attacking guerra came on and had no impact at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
correct. but he did score a nice penalty. i believe guerra and peltier has brought nothing to the attack. they are both physically week and needs to hit the weight room. guerra is easily disposses while peltier spends most his time on the ground rolling around. so glad that we don't have to depend on them solely and there is competition for their spots.
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: asylumseeker on July 20, 2015, 01:57:55 PM
Hart may have to make a trip to England and de US in particular to talk to some players. And as he at it look for a keeper. we need a goalie badly.

we are so poor attacking guerra came on and had no impact at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
correct. but he did score a nice penalty. i believe guerra and peltier has brought nothing to the attack. they are both physically week and needs to hit the weight room. guerra is easily disposses while peltier spends most his time on the ground rolling around. so glad that we don't have to depend on them solely and there is competition for their spots.

Don't forget the role Peltier played in attempting to net one on goal in the Group Stage ... the goal came from the rebound of his shot. That goal helped us to progress with the team objective in mind.

I was impressed with Guerra setting the tone on the first penalty. For Guerra to have had an impact, he needed help. He didn't have any help to sufficient help.

Fully agree that competition for spots is a needed thing, buh let not frustration throw these players under the bus. Let them be the authors of their own demise through absolutely wanting performances.
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Fyzo10 on July 20, 2015, 03:41:41 PM
Trini is sticking with international players of descent. Just look at Jamaica's line up:

(http://i.imgur.com/sUelXlZ.png)

Almost half them men was once English.

With how well we did in the Gold Cup, I feel like foreign born players will be more contempt in joining the Warriors.
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: FireBrand on July 24, 2015, 08:27:47 AM
From John Bostock ‏on Twitter.
Congrats to @TTFootballAssoc for topping their group at the @GoldCup #SocaWarriors

Go get him Hartie. He could be a good replacement for Molino while he is recovering. He is also good on free kicks.
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Controversial on July 24, 2015, 09:24:28 AM
From John Bostock ‏on Twitter.
Congrats to @TTFootballAssoc for topping their group at the @GoldCup #SocaWarriors

Go get him Hartie. He could be a good replacement for Molino while he is recovering. He is also good on free kicks.

this bodes well for us... good addition if Harty calls him...
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Trini _2026 on July 24, 2015, 01:38:35 PM
From John Bostock ‏on Twitter.
Congrats to @TTFootballAssoc for topping their group at the @GoldCup #SocaWarriors

Go get him Hartie. He could be a good replacement for Molino while he is recovering. He is also good on free kicks.

this bodes well for us... good addition if Harty calls him...

massive addition he is a dead ball specialist !!!!
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Sando prince on July 24, 2015, 02:30:31 PM
This is a slippery slope. Not every foreign born player = good player and deserve to be on the team. Some of them struggle for their clubs and T&T become a second option to think about because they can't make the national team of their home country.

If we praise , encourage or beg foreign born players before they are even selected on the team then this not only put pressure on the coach to select them but they feel they have a guaranteed place on the team because the belief is 'we need them'.

The media should never decide to get involved in the chasing of foreign born players. If a player want to play for T&T he will make himself available for selection

Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Trini _2026 on July 24, 2015, 03:03:25 PM
Before it was foreign based vs local based now is foreign born vs local born . It does not matter what we praise  on the forum  it's down to the national coach btw on here we praise locals also .
TnT  first choice or not, with dual citizenship one has options .
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Thomo on July 24, 2015, 03:09:11 PM
Yeah go get him Hart. Dead ball specialist, can hit from range really well too and loves to dribble!!Can play behind KJ in a 4-2-3-1 formation. He can fit in well in Molino's absence and even when he's back (KM) there is room foe him, Molino and JJ giving firepower and speed going forward!
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Deeks on July 24, 2015, 04:40:01 PM
Most of our foreign born players played in friendlies before the coach decided to pick them. I remembered Birchall impressed at a friendly in the stadium(please correct me if I am wrong). anybody remembered any foreign born being trust into a WC or GC game before playing a friendly for the NT? If Deleon decide to commit, I would believe the coach would have him play in one or two cobo sweat before sending him in a WC game.

This whole foreign born thing is being blown way out of proportion, because JA in the final. And as usual frustrated fans want us to do what JA do? Like we can't think for ourselves. Well fellas we have been there before. It has worked well with some and not so well with others. And I have no doubt we will continue to seek foreign born who can help us. Some people calling for Ramjitsingh, some calling for Deleon, some calling for Bostock. I calling for Johnathan Glenn to just get a cobo sweat. Coach eh hear me yet. So let's see what coach Hart decides.
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: gawd on pitch on July 24, 2015, 07:51:51 PM
Haiti actually has more foreign born than JA.

Youre right Deeks, we dont need to follow JA or Haiti. But, it wouldnt hurt to see who is available..
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Controversial on July 24, 2015, 08:04:34 PM
I see nothing wrong with our team.. If we add, we add, it's about choosing the player that is the best for us..
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Dynamite Warrior on July 24, 2015, 08:06:17 PM
I think there are players that could help us, such as Bostock, DeLeon, Inniss. But it is important that these players become true team members. Boucard, Justin Hoyte and Birchall seem to all be liked by all the team which is very important. In fact Kenwyne and others identified team chemistry as an important aspect of the success the team experienced this month. If those players come in humbly and assimilate with the squad they can help the cause.
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Controversial on July 24, 2015, 08:16:27 PM
I think there are players that could help us, such as Bostock, DeLeon, Inniss. But it is important that these players become true team members. Boucard, Justin Hoyte and Birchall seem to all be liked by all the team which is very important. In fact Kenwyne and others identified team chemistry as an important aspect of the success the team experienced this month. If those players come in humbly and assimilate with the squad they can help the cause.

How good is inniss?
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: coache on July 24, 2015, 10:06:22 PM
Allyuh serious about dis Bostock ?   
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: FireBrand on July 24, 2015, 10:09:42 PM
Allyuh serious about dis Bostock ?   

Yes
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: coache on July 24, 2015, 10:12:42 PM
And allyuh feel dat because de German mystic man recruited some foreign born...allyuh feel dat was de reason for his success....

Well leh we jes fire half de team and bring foreign born..we bound to qualify fuh WC.



Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: coache on July 24, 2015, 10:16:30 PM
Hear nah which one among you know all about football is employed or was ever employed as a Scout?

Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Dynamite Warrior on July 24, 2015, 10:44:16 PM
I think there are players that could help us, such as Bostock, DeLeon, Inniss. But it is important that these players become true team members. Boucard, Justin Hoyte and Birchall seem to all be liked by all the team which is very important. In fact Kenwyne and others identified team chemistry as an important aspect of the success the team experienced this month. If those players come in humbly and assimilate with the squad they can help the cause.

How good is inniss?

I'll be honest I'm not real sure but I personally think CB is a weakness. I am not sold on Abu Bakr. Also young depth is a good thing. I think he deserves a look. Bostock could help us on set pieces and be a link between Kenwyne and the midfield that is missing without Molino.
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: coache on July 24, 2015, 11:19:58 PM
Dis board full ah Scouts...
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: FireBrand on July 24, 2015, 11:29:04 PM
And allyuh feel dat because de German mystic man recruited some foreign born...allyuh feel dat was de reason for his success....

Well leh we jes fire half de team and bring foreign born..we bound to qualify fuh WC.



Or... You are one of those who believe T&T has all the talent in the world and that talent alone can get us to a next World Cup. Wake up hoss, we have a very small talent pool, a broke federation and no development program...

We can't afford to leave any stone unturned.  We need to explore all the talent that is available to us be it local or foreign-born.

Oh and I'll just ignore your comment about people wanting T&T to follow Jamaica because I want to believe you are smarter than that.

Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Fyzo10 on July 25, 2015, 01:19:39 AM
This is a slippery slope. Not every foreign born player = good player and deserve to be on the team. Some of them struggle for their clubs and T&T become a second option to think about because they can't make the national team of their home country.

If we praise , encourage or beg foreign born players before they are even selected on the team then this not only put pressure on the coach to select them but they feel they have a guaranteed place on the team because the belief is 'we need them'.

The media should never decide to get involved in the chasing of foreign born players. If a player want to play for T&T he will make himself available for selection

Its just good for TTFA to reach out to foreign born players. You have to understand that Trinidad is a small country. We only have a population of 1.3 million people and the Football system in our country is poor. We have a strong football culture though. But it's great to look at foreign-trinis because they can bring something to the plate too.

And allyuh feel dat because de German mystic man recruited some foreign born...allyuh feel dat was de reason for his success....

Well leh we jes fire half de team and bring foreign born..we bound to qualify fuh WC.

You think they would be beating USA with a bunch of Jamaican's from their local league?

The thing with Jamaica's team is most of those guys, whether foreign born or not, have a decent bit of experience in English league Football, particularly the championship.

If Trini can get some European players then we can do well. We can't just think about the present, we have to think about the future too. Foreign players will help us to succeed and strengthen the Football scene in the country. Look how far Jamaica is reaching at the moment, their Football is going up.
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: injunchile on July 25, 2015, 07:00:11 AM
Captain Burrell  told Jack Warner many moons ago when Jamaica qualified for its first world cup that in order to go to a World cup one has to get players from Europe and MLS and a foreign coach. that narrative still holds - check out Panama- Honduras and Jamaica . The players that stand out for El Salvador/ Guatemala  play in foreign leagues.
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Deeks on July 25, 2015, 08:32:40 AM
Captain Burrell  told Jack Warner many moons ago when Jamaica qualified for its first world cup that in order to go to a World cup one has to get players from Europe and MLS and a foreign coach. that narrative still holds - check out Panama- Honduras and Jamaica . The players that stand out for El Salvador/ Guatemala  play in foreign leagues.

Breds, I would not dispute your narrative. Those countries you mentioned may have foreign coaches, but foreign coaches come and go just as local coaches. But, we have foreign born on our team, and we have a coach who honed his coaching skills in foreign. We just don't depend on an exclusive foreign born team. Who knows, that may change. The issue with our team is the TTFA inability to find the resources to fund the preparation of the MNT for international tournaments. This impasse has been going on for two yrs. That is not good for building a successful program. When the TTFA problem is settled then you will how our team will improve. Foreign born are always welcome. But if they are marginal players, what would you expect from the fans. I think Boucaud and the Hoyte brother are good acquisition. I also like J Lloyd Samuel. The Jake  youth fell right of the radar after playing WC. He was young with plenty spunk. We lack at least 2 to 3 dynamic midfield forwards. I don't see any in foreign. I eh see any locally.
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Sando prince on July 25, 2015, 08:37:26 AM
I am going to simply REPEAT what I said earlier instead of responding to the posters who quoted me. Read the main points. People in here are hungry to chase foreign born with the assumption they are better. If I was a foreign born I will feel good knowing that I am already wanted in a team that is desperate for me.


This is a slippery slope. Not every foreign born player = good player and deserve to be on the team. Some of them struggle for their clubs and T&T become a second option to think about because they can't make the national team of their home country.

If we praise , encourage or beg foreign born players before they are even selected on the team then this not only put pressure on the coach to select them but they feel they have a guaranteed place on the team because the belief is 'we need them'.

The media should never decide to get involved in the chasing of foreign born players. If a player want to play for T&T he will make himself available for selection


Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: AB.Trini on July 25, 2015, 08:50:54 AM
Me thinks that if a person has a genuine interest, desire and passion to represent TnT, and if that said person can do so legitimately and if that said person has the talent and ability which surpasses those of what is available locally then by the rules and regulations they should be given the opportunity to represent,

In my opinion we should not be seeking  athletes who are akin to mercenaries or those who are seeking TnT as their last resort to achieving succes at the expense of hardworking desirous local athletes. The price of succ es must not be at the expense of the dreams and opportunies of a live hood of the local athlete.IMHO





Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Fyzo10 on July 25, 2015, 01:04:13 PM
No one should run down and beg anyone...all I said was TTFA should reach out to foreign born. If a player show interest then it's up to TTFA to reach out to them. That's how international football works, It's called getting a call from the country...
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: MEP on July 26, 2015, 02:07:21 AM
some of allyuh just don't have a clue...how big is our pool of players? For the pool to become deeper the TTFA must seek to identify and subsequently court players who are non-native but can qualify to play for TnT. Take for example Nick DeLeon he has a more than reasonable chance of playing for the US why should approach the TTFA? Players don't find teams..teams find players
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Deeks on July 26, 2015, 02:34:00 AM
some of allyuh just don't have a clue...how big is our pool of players? For the pool to become deeper the TTFA must seek to identify and subsequently court players who are non-native but can qualify to play for TnT. Take for example Nick DeLeon he has a more than reasonable chance of playing for the US why should approach the TTFA? Players don't find teams..teams find players

Do you know if the TTFA had approached him or his father? Something not right with the Deleon situation. like you said, he probablly prefer his chance with the US team.
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Trini _2026 on July 26, 2015, 04:51:14 AM
some of allyuh just don't have a clue...how big is our pool of players? For the pool to become deeper the TTFA must seek to identify and subsequently court players who are non-native but can qualify to play for TnT. Take for example Nick DeLeon he has a more than reasonable chance of playing for the US why should approach the TTFA? Players don't find teams..teams find players

deleon has never had a US call up  and i doubt he may get one soon ....
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: warmonga on July 27, 2015, 10:08:27 PM
I admire d jacans dem. U dnt hve to beg dem. Barnes mc nuff .hector n couple of other players r very young and played in england under 17 19 etc and had to problem running to play for d reggaeboyz. Trinis stil waiting for a cobeau swet from america n england..cheups..
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on July 28, 2015, 09:19:29 AM
I admire d jacans dem. U dnt hve to beg dem. Barnes mc nuff .hector n couple of other players r very young and played in england under 17 19 etc and had to problem running to play for d reggaeboyz. Trinis stil waiting for a cobeau swet from america n england..cheups..
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: palos on July 28, 2015, 10:05:38 AM
I admire d jacans dem. U dnt hve to beg dem. Barnes mc nuff .hector n couple of other players r very young and played in england under 17 19 etc and had to problem running to play for d reggaeboyz. Trinis stil waiting for a cobeau swet from america n england..cheups..

If we didn't have a well known dysfunctional Federation, perhaps more players would be willing to play for us.

Alas......

And the thing of it is.....I honestly don't blame them.  Why the hell would you leave a professional setup to go and play for a setta people who cyah even organize a f**k in a ho house?
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Tallman on July 28, 2015, 10:32:24 AM
Former England youth midfielder, John Bostock, is reportedly being pursued by Trinidad and Tobago.
http://sportmagazine.knack.be/sport/voetbal-nationaal/john-bostock-ohl-gegeerd-door-nationale-ploeg-trinidad/article-normal-589875.html
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Sando prince on July 28, 2015, 10:46:09 AM
On a side note

I remember watching the JA team (comprised of mostly English born players) in the Gold Cup final and most of their players didn't even know the JA national anthem  :)
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: spideybuff on July 28, 2015, 02:50:49 PM
Wait why has is Samuel[?] (think he playing in the Middle east now, related to Andre) never play for we again?

Remember this? TTFF manager takes Jlloyd for a joy ride (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=46486.0)

Oh gawd oh....how I forget that boy. Textgate

Tallman...anywhere on this site we could list all the mishaps under Muhammed. I forgot that one as well.

In fact, maybe we should list at the instances when things actually work out smoothly under him...that list might be shorter
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Controversial on July 28, 2015, 02:55:34 PM
how good is bostock???

any video...
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Dinner Mints on July 28, 2015, 04:00:54 PM
how good is bostock???

any video...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3061590/John-Bostock-golden-boy-English-football-quietly-rebuilding-career-Belgium.html

Supposed to be the next big thing at one point. So he have a little something about him.
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: FireBrand on July 28, 2015, 04:30:05 PM
Where it all began (videos included):  http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=59209.0 (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=59209.0)
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Controversial on July 28, 2015, 06:39:02 PM
I would like to see him in the set up, he will make a good addition.. It may be the lift he needs to take his career to the next level and also allows us to have a player for the future...
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: andre samuel on July 28, 2015, 06:55:28 PM
On a side note

I remember watching the JA team (comprised of mostly English born players) in the Gold Cup final and most of their players didn't even know the JA national anthem  :)

So the ones who didnt sing vs Panama didnt know ours either?
Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
Post by: Sando prince on July 28, 2015, 07:31:26 PM
On a side note

I remember watching the JA team (comprised of mostly English born players) in the Gold Cup final and most of their players didn't even know the JA national anthem  :)

So the ones who didnt sing vs Panama didnt know ours either?

Who are the ones in the T&T team who didn't sing? Since you remembered.

Title: Re: Hart open to foreign-born players.
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