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The President, His Progress and The Politics of T&T Football.
By Inshan Mohammed.
Tim Kee Finally Onboard SWO Fan Ship.
TTFA president Raymond Tim Kee is aiming to take Trinidad & Tobago Football Atop (TTFA) once more in the football world, but first he must overcome the obstacles that stand in his way.
It has been 3 years since he won his uncontested seat to serve as the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) president and after a few false starts, Tim Kee has broken the ice and finally decided to do an exclusive interview with the Soca Warriors Online (SWO). It has proved well worth the wait, as the current TTFA president got downright intimate in his chat with SWO.
But first, let's do a bit of review as to his presidency and how he got here. In 2008 Tim Kee joined the old TTFF when he was asked to put his financial expertise to work as TTFF Treasurer. He also became a TTFF Vice-President and member of the Executive Committee at the same time, serving in both capacities until being forced out in 2010, reportedly over differences with the TTFF leadership. In November 2012 Tim Kee replaced interim president Lennox Watson and became the 3rd TTFA president in just over a year. He ran unopposed for the seat after Colin Murray, a Carib Brewery events and marketing manager pulled out of the race for personal reasons, with Watson also ruling himself out.
Coincidentally, a year into the job Tim Kee was again elected unopposed, this time as the new Mayor of Port of Spain and PNM treasurer simultaneously. Tim Kee is also a Guardian Life Insurance executive and wears many hats.
Hints Of Another Term.
The TTFA head-man recently announced that he wanted another term in office so that he could pave a smooth transitionary path for the TTFA as the organization continues on strategic reform and Tim Kee feels that more time will be needed in order for it to do so.
In an interview with the T&T Guardian (http://www.socawarriors.net/federation-news/15427-tim-kee-wants-four-more-years.html) Tim Kee stated that "in order for football in T&T to become a major revenue earner and as a consequence ensure the TTFA achieved self-sufficiency,” he said, “business professionals needed to be enlisted by the football body."
"Our focus is on good governance with emphasis on transparency and accountability. And as time progresses, we are going to see emerging some new faces, some different faces, many of whom may not have ever played football; probably never bounced a ball.”
In a November 2012 interview with SWO, former Men’s National Team player and current Minister of Sports, Brent Sancho stated (http://www.socawarriors.net/federation-news/11787-sancho-tiger-phillips-throw-their-support-for-tim-kee-but-with-caution.html): "I know Raymond on a personal level for a while now. He seems to be a level headed individual in the numerous conversations we have had."
"There will be obvious concerns regarding his previous role in the current regime, and whether or not he could have voiced or stand up against the atrocities of the TTFF."
"My concerns however is not so much about Raymond but what possibly can be done in an organization which seems to have most of the current regime still intact and bent on continuing the horrendous trend of unaccountability, lack of transparency, lack of vision, poor infrastructure, mismanagement of funds and the inhumane treatment of it most prized assets, the players”, ended Sancho."
Turning The Tide.
Lately, the "facilitator," as Tim Kee prefers to be called, has been in a battle with the new Minister of Sports, for money that was approved by the T&T government to the tune of $9.9 million approved via a Cabinet note last November, during the term of previous Sport Minister Rupert Griffith.
Sancho has insisted that the Sport Ministry would decline financial assistance until the TTFA provides audits for funds disbursed from the Ministry for the 2012-2013 period. Tim Kee reluctantly agreed to the demand, and during the recent impasse with Sancho, took along the the FA’s auditor from KPMG’s to the Sport Ministry, to explain any delays and prove that the football body was not trying to hide anything.
Last month it was reported on Wired868.com that: “Additionally, the Ministry has undertaken to review the TTFA’s request for funding to support the 2015 Gold Cup campaign which begins in July 2015. “The Ministry also resolved to support the FIFA Goal project which will see the establishment of a National Training Centre in Trinidad and Tobago.”
A month later to two were at it again, Sancho retorted that 90 percent of the $9 million was spent on paying TTFA arrears to its coaches and players dating back to 2012. He later backtracked on the claim, to state that 70 percent had already been spent (http://www.socawarriors.net/federation-news/15514-worst-sport-minister-ever-sancho-and-tim-kee-clash-while-warriors-in-uproar.html). Tim Kee denies this and warned Sancho that he risked going down as “the worst Sport Minister ever."
Needless to say, it has been an interesting career for Tim Kee thus far and the best way one might describe it would be itinerant, not unlike the road to Maracas Beach with curves, bumps, hills and valleys along the way.
While SWO takes no side and does not endorse anyone in particular, we would remiss if we didn’t point out some of the irrefutable positives he has achieved since taking office (see below).
SWO, in the spirit of equitability, sent out questions pertaining to the recent discrepancies between the federation, the WPL and the Minister of Sports among other issues, but to date of this publication, Minister Sancho has yet to even acknowledge our request.
To be fair, it is possible that Minister Sancho has been busy with the newly launched Women's Premier League (WPL) and the controversies that surround it. However, SWO would still like to hear from the minister, even if at a later time.
Tim Kee on the other hand has made himself available despite only just returning from Jordan with the national seniors men's team, an astonishing but welcomed act by the president.
Read below a Q&A with the TTFA president.
What are your feelings about what can only be described as a poor performance by the team against Jordan?
RTK: Flex, first of all thank you for giving me the opportunity to answer your questions. I know you’ve been seeking an interview for a some time. I apologize for the time it took before it came to fruition.
Yes, the Jordan match was extremely disappointing. Coach Hart expressed his displeasure with the effort. But, we must also be careful not to direct ill will toward the players or coaching staff because they have been operating under very difficult circumstances for quite some time. As we go into the Gold Cup and World Cup qualifiers, we must all, including myself, look at what must be done to get behind our teams and provide them what is needed in order for them to have a fighting chance. It is not a coincidence that our worst performance happened immediately after a horrible week between the TTFA and our main partner, The Ministry of Sport. We must work together and agree to move in one direction for the benefit of our national teams. In a spirit of fairness, if I believe promises that were made aren’t being kept, I will speak out, no longer am I prepared to keep quiet and endure the assaults that I experienced over the last 18-months. The vexatious $500. issue with the women team is a good example where the Ministry of Sport was completely at fault.
You seem to be carrying a bad image because of your past affiliation with Jack Warner. People say you are the same and stood there and hid Jack’s secrets and were part of his regime. Can you tell us what your role was during the Warner years?
RTK: This idea that since I was a member of the TTFF executive and VP during the Warner years I was somehow complicit in the inner dealings, nefarious or otherwise, of the then TTFF is simplistic at best. I was asked to serve as treasurer of the TTFF in 2008 but at the beginning of my tenure I requested all the books and accounts and when they were not forthcoming, I resigned the position immediately. Both Mr. Warner and his General Secretary would not release financial records related to the LOC accounts that are now the basis of interest among investigators. In minutes of the Executive Committee meetings after my resignation you will see my response to questions on TTFF financial matters was “Ask Mr. Warner.”
I have built a very solid reputation of fiscal responsibility which to this day has never been questioned in business or financial matters and circles. When I felt information was being withheld, I resigned and focused my attention on developing Futsal.
For any one who is knowledgeable and aware of my time at the TTFF, they would attest that I was not a Warner insider nor was I considered to be one of Warner’s followers. I never was! My extreme independence never permits me to be anybody's boy. In fact, over the years I have established myself as extremely independent in my undertakings and disagreeable. Cross talk between the gentleman and me was not unusual. When the 2006 players advanced their lawsuit, I was the only Executive Committee member who voiced opposition to the way the matter was being handled by Mr. Warner and I expressed that in a very firm tone and terms. I understood, based on my work in the insurance industry as a team leader, trainer and coach, the importance of incentives to workers in order to reach maximum performance. When those incentives are pulled away after the benefit has already been derived, the worker feels cheated and his enthusiasm diminished, destroyed even. I felt there was no reason for our not keeping the promise made to those players. I felt there was an obligation and most importantly, the ability to pay. When I became TTFA President, I addressed the 2006 players first! Unfortunately, we didn’t have the ability to pay in full and were only able to provide $1,7 million USD to the players.
I have been a financial benefactor to football for many years. Because of the extent of my financial contributions, I was invited to serve as an executive member. Paying for tickets for our foreign based players to return home to represent T&T was not unusual. Providing full accommodation and attendant expenses for over 18 months for the administration to function, I did. The records will reveal this! I have never received a single cent from football, never!!!! I gave football, I never took from football. Serving on the national body I felt was the best way to contribute to our football. When I demitted office in 2010 having been replaced on the board, I left with no desire or inclination to return because of the direction I was seeing the TTFF heading.
Holding secrets? I was never one of those with whom secrets were shared. That is baseless idle chatter.
What does "part of his regime" mean? Any body who thinks that I am part of anybody's regime in this context, knows nothing about me, absolutely nothing!
Why can’t your company help be a sponsor of the TTFA?
RTK: I think when you say my company you mean Guardian Life. This is a company, a public company with whom my company has contract and is run by a board of directors elected by the public. A provider of life insurance and pensions. This company is different from CLICO, a private insurance company who has the freedom to be a lot more liberal in how they utilize their premiums. The insurance act is specific about how public funds/ premiums are utilized. We are custodians of customer premiums which are not to be used for anything but the core services of our clients, providing a financial safety net for their families. Guardian Group, which is the parent company, has been engaged in discussions with the TTFA. However, their past involvement with sports marketing had focused on different demographics. It is as a result of my involvement with the TTFA that discussions are currently taking place and we hope to establish some collaboration with our grassroots programs.
You have 3 jobs, why? Also, do you feel you can work them effectively or are you biting off more than you can chew? Do you feel politics affect sports?
RTK: Flex, football is the most popular sport in most of the countries in the world. If anyone feels that politics, which is essentially built on popularity in a democratic political structure, can be totally divorced from the most popular pastime, they are being either willfully ignorant or incredibly naïve. That being said, for all of my life I have been multitasking and working for an average of 16 hours a day inclusive of weekends. Apart from the fact that I grew up with a family of means, I, from as early as 14 started to earn my own money while still at school. My school vacation was spent selling books door to door. Working long and hard hours was not and is not unusual. Hence my business being able to assist football financially in my mid twenties. Over the past thirty years in addition to heading a successful sales and marketing insurance business, I chaired boards including State. I ran my investment business, Preside over POS Central Rotary Club, worked with the youths of Laventille and Beetham Gardens while at the same time being VP at TTFF. Being TTFA President, Mayor of the city while also holding the post of treasurer of the PNM. Just remember that all the positions that I have been asked to accept were offered by persons who know about all I do. They know about me what those who run their mouth do not!
For sure they are not stupid! Really, people should refrain from judging by their standards only. By the way, most achievers and business people I know enjoy being as busy and are even called workaholics. Holding down several positions at the same time is quite usual in this community.
I had a good relationship with the past ministers of sport and have had conflicts with the current minister only because I felt promises made by the Prime Minister to the senior team were being undermined and ignored. I join other sporting organizations in saying that the current Ministry is not serving sports a we expected. How do we justify injecting millions of US $ into CPL that is privately owned by foreigners. Trinidad does not even have a Trinidad team participating. The Red Steel is owned by a foreign businessman. How come our National team is suffering for funds and our tax dollars are used to fund something that is not ours. I have a huge problem with that.
On the issue of why 3 jobs, (I hold 4) my brother, any successful person will have a portfolio that contains a number of various leadership positions. What people have to do in order to determine whether one’s portfolio is too full is to observe the accomplishments in each of the areas that person holds. In the case of football, we all know the current state of football didn’t happen overnight and I inherited a dysfunctional organization, a failed organization even. One that has lost all credibility. Two years into my administration both our men’s and women’s senior teams have regained the top spot in the Caribbean. My enquiries reveal that it is the first time that T&T in recent history has had its Snr. Men and Women teams among FIFA's top 50 Member Associations. We have ten national teams in training. We have significantly reduced the $36 million debt that I met and still counting. More capacity building programs are being offered, We are developing more ways to realize revenue so the TTFA can eventually significantly reduce its dependence on government, and we are on the cusp of introducing a new constitution that has been a desire of many in the football community for decades. A new organization structure has been decided upon.
So while there is so much to be done and to clean up after years of abuse, the TTFA is on the right track. We have had a number of accomplishments. My companies continue to hit its numbers. So I am wary anytime I hear the refrain that I have “too many jobs” I think that such a statement tends to be directed in a way that suggests that I should know my place in society. I will never accept that nor expect my children to do so.
If PNM wins election what plans for football would they have and what if you are no longer TTFA President, will you feel the same?
RTK: Yes, at this point I have been focused on getting the TTFA a new constitution. We all know the past five years after the main benefactor of the sport pulled his support that football suffered tremendously. I firmly believe that under the PNM football will certainly get more support from state owned enterprises as well as the ministries who will understand that sport is not just a hobby to keep children busy but is a way to develop life skills and create opportunities that may otherwise not be attainable. We must look at sport in a holistic manner and on the competitive end given the athletes who compete for our country the consistent and proper support they need in order to compete against other countries. As for football, there is no other event that galvanizes our population like football. On all levels, but especially youth football. I expect a PNM-led ministry will put forth substantive planning and programs and look to partner with NGOs rather than try to compete against them for programming. There have been too many incidents with the current government, beginning with Mr. Warner’s insistence that football not get any funds from the Ministry of Sport because his candidate for CFU president was not supported by the then TTFF. Football has been politically victimized.
It’s time to utilize football as a tool to build communities and people. I will certainly be in an influential position to ensure that football benefits should the government change. In the end, I am a football fan and want to see all our national teams qualify for world cups and produce top footballers. We can do that but not under the current climate.
Rumor has it that you have depleted the 9.9 million cabinet note that was rewarded to you because the ministry had to back pay arrears since 2012. Why did you allow the FA to submit budgets that used up this money before the Gold Cup. Then blaming the Ministry of Sports for not funding it?
RTK: Well Flex, the operative word in that question is “rumor”. No, the $9.9 million established by the cabinet note has not been depleted. In fact, according to the Ministry officials we are working with on a daily basis have shown that approximately $2.6 million remains for the remainder of the Gold Cup preparation period.
I also want to establish that the TTFA is certainly not a passive party when it comes to raising resources for our programs to not only help them prepare but to also address monies owed; which is a harsh reality that we simply can’t ignore. We actively pursued the government for months on the matter of player and coaches arrears. In the past, if coaches were owed money by the TTFF, that was likely the end of the matter.
I felt that past practice was not right and even though the arrears owed to coaches began before my tenure as President, there was a duty to advocate for the coaches and players who were owed; this includes the 2006 Soca Warriors, who after 7 years of litigation against the TTFF and with little to show, were the first beneficiaries of the new administration when we presented $9 million dollars and agreed to a settlement in an attempt to end, what we thought was a case that caused irreparable damage to T&T football.
When our attempts to engage corporate T&T did not raise the level of resources we needed to properly support our national programs and other initiatives, we felt the most effective way to develop immediate resources was through the government via cabinet notes.
The government, to their credit, recognized the need to fund the senior men’s team beginning with bringing players and coaches current and making a commitment for funding to the next major tournament, the Gold Cup. The Prime Minister made promises in Parliament and at the press conference after the Caribbean Cup Final assuring our senior team they will have “nothing to worry about” through the Gold Cup. Since then, the recent minister has made statements to indicate that he doesn’t intend to follow through on the Prime Minister’s promise. That is why I spoke out as forcefully as I have in the recent weeks.
It is unsettling to the players and staff to go into competition under such uncertain circumstances when an agreement was established between the TTFA and the government last November. I’m not being “political” when these issues are raised as the minister claims, I am merely speaking the truth.
You should also know that we are going into a third fiscal year since I became President of the TTFA and the governing body of football, including its national teams are still funded in an ad hoc manner and national team football programs are not a fixture in the yearly budget in either the Ministry of Sport or any state owned enterprise budget. Why does this continue?
However, to their credit, ministry and SPORTT employees, past and present, found ways to support the TTFA over the past two years. The real damage that continues is in the choking off of funds from the state owned enterprises. If cricket can get $13 million from NGC, why can’t football? This is not a figment of my imagination Flex. Ask the NLCB Chairman why he told the TTFA General Secretary early last year that he will not give money to a “PNM TTFA”. Or ask why the Chairman of NGC told one of our senior administrators that “NGC won’t give money to football because people who play football don’t wear yellow.” But, somehow when these incidences are aired, I am accused of being “political”. There is an issue of fairness at play because football is the most popular sport in this country and as the governing body that fields over 10 national teams, many of our players are not financially well off. Therefore, we need to develop a lot of resources to underwrite the most basic needs for our players.
This is where state owned entities can help tremendously. So if something as basic as state owned transportation is not inclined to help provide transport for national athletes by providing a transport pass or developing some other mechanism because of my personal political affiliation what they are really doing is punishing the athletes and coaches. That can never be justified, especially when it comes to athletes who represent this country.
I've heard that you guys sent in a U-23 budget to the ministry which would result in the youngsters earning $20k per month each in June and July. Match fees and stipends amounted to over $1 million.
RTK: It is absolutely incorrect to say our U-23 players will be receiving $20K per month. However, soon after the U-23 budget was submitted we came to an agreement with the ministry to eliminate stipends; partly in recognition of the increased challenges created by cuts to ministry budgets. So this budget is being worked on and they will have a camp before leaving for their Olympic qualifier.
What's your thoughts on the Women Premier League (WPL)? Apparently the Ministry of Sports (MoS) sees fit that they run the league because the TTFA do nothing for the Women game and they have decided to step in so the team could compete in the league and be better prepared for the upcoming Pan-Am games. Also, how many games have TTFA arranged for the Women's team since Ecuador? a game that brought in millions of dollars and why isn't more done?
RTK: The WPL, like WoLF, presents opportunities for women footballers and this is a good thing. The minister wanted to use the ministry resources and funds for the WPL project. The reality is that between the Ecuador match and May, we had no Technical Director and the coach was fulfilling commitments with his club team. We attempted a match in March and contacted a number of football associations seeking matches. However, there was no interest shown and our invites were politely declined.
We feel the resources and funds used by SPORTT for the WPL would have been better utilized by applying it towards a proper series of international camps and matches for the U20 and senior teams in preparation for their upcoming tournaments.
But we will not act as an impediment just because we differ on opinion. So, the TTFA sanctioned the league after the ministry issued a prospectus and made a presentation to the TTFA Executive Committee.
Having said that, I was a bit concerned to see our senior team defeat the WPL XI 9-2 as it undermined one of the notions advanced by the league organizers which was the league play would help better prepare the national teams rather than send them abroad for training camps. We will continue to monitor the competition.
What is your plans to be more self sufficient and we want to see action not just empty plans. There are so many things that can be done yet we sit here relying on government help.
RTK: Flex, you seem to be coming from the perspective of quite a few who think the TTFA has done nothing to raise its own resources and reduce our dependence on government funding. In fact, the notion that the TTFA has no sponsors is a false piece of information that has been peddled around. We have several important commercial partners who have been a big part of our ability to support all our national teams.
They include:
Petrotrin - Provided support for the senior women’s team including underwriting the two week training camp at their Beach Camp facility in Palo Seco.
SPoRTT - Sponsorship for the senior men’s national team and youth teams travel and player match fees.
Joma - Full kit sponsor for all 10 national teams. At any one time, the TTFA has six national teams in competition and training and Joma’s support along with Sportway is valued at more than $2 million dollars.
Blue Waters - As a product sponsor, Blue Waters provides hundreds of cases of water to the TTFA for its teams and events.
Toyota of Trinidad and Tobago - Soon upon signing of the national men’s coach, Stephen Hart, the TTFA negotiated a deal with Toyota to provide a vehicle for our head coach and a coaster for transport of our teams during training camps.
Lifestyle Motors - National grassroots clinics are supported by Lifestyle Motors in the transport of personnel and equipment. In addition vehicles and transportation services are provided during tournaments and friendlies.
bMobile - Under 20 team and other youth national teams were supported by bMobile through the underwriting of training camps and other initiatives. In addition, bMobile has also provided support to national grassroots programs.
Miscellaneous Marketing - Operational costs for advertising and media support are covered by MM for national team matches.
Coca-Cola - Another product supplier who was instrumental in successful hosting of the three CFU tournaments in 2014.
HealthNet - A sponsorship worth over $3 million dollars that enables all national team players and technical staff to get free physicals when they come into camp. Also, through the MyCard Sports Card, supporters can further help the TTFA efforts by patronizing selected retailers and the TTFA will receive a rebate percentage from the sales.
Deloitte - $50,000 USD in services to run operations such as the 2014 World Cup Ticket program for the TTFA which enabled the distribution of world cup tickets to take place in a fair and transparent manner and contributed to the Independent Reform Commission Report through structural analysis and recommendations for the TTFA.
In-addition, We've accomplished
Soca Warrior settlement - Definitely an accomplishment despite the irrational reaction of some of the former players when the second half of payments sputtered. Tim Kee gave ALL the funds he received from FIFA and CONCACAF to the players when he could have easily filed for bankruptcy, have the debt discharged and used the $1.5 million as seed money for a new FA.
New Constitution - Led the effort for a new constitution, for which many have been clamoring for decades. A new constitution will enable clubs to have a say in governance and include a place at the table for a players association. The proposed constitution would also be more egalitarian, allowing the regional associations and minor stakeholders more of a voice, while allowing the TTFA to operate like a well-oiled unit, and without too much hindrance from the ExCo, some of whom seem to have an axe to grind with the current FA leadership.
Debt Reduction - In just over two years, he took $6 million USD in debt and reduced it to $2 million.
FIFA/CONCACAF Support - Increased development programs to serve the football family and qualified the FA for major projects and funding for merchandising and Training Centre which is still in the works despite a few hiccups. Perhaps most significantly, and in testament to his diplomacy skills, Tim Kee was able to maintain support for the TTFA from both FIFA and CONCACAF despite the significant fallout from the Jack Warner bribery fiasco. The same continues today in light of the recent upheavals within world football, with Tim Kee quietly working the back channels to ensure support for the TTFA continues.
Government Support - Casting aside political affiliation, he reached out to former Ministry of Sport Mr. Anil Roberts to establish funding for senior team and worked with his successor Rupert Griffith to secure the Cabinet note which currently is the basis for the impasse with the Sports Minister.
Coaching Changes - Introduced the country to Stephen Hart and Randy Waldrum, two coaches who led the national teams to their best respective runs since 2005/06.
I cannot encourage people enough to please support and patronize these companies as they have been ardent supporters of the TTFA in our most trying time and their faith in us and football should be supported by the hundreds of thousands of people in the T&T football family.
We are working with KPMG on getting the TTFA audits completed from 2008 -2014. Keep in mind that all our records...our filing cabinets and all our computers were seized from the TTFF office by the present minister and his 2006 team. On our request to have them returned, we were denied. Further, the past administrations never completed these most important records and it has taken more than a year to piece information needed by our auditors to present draft audits. (KPMG informed the Ministry that getting information from the banks on TTFF accounts was extremely difficult.) However, we have been able to present to the ministry, drafts of 2008-2011 so far and after our drafts for 2012-2014 are complete, the final versions will be published. We are very serious about financial accountability and the information we will share with the public will provide insight on how the TTFA invested its own resources as well as the government back into football.
Also, let me remind you that there is no football association in the world that can operate without a combination of funding from corporate sponsors, television, and government. Also, how do we go into money making ventures without capital. TTFF was black listed by the banks so no loans are possible.
U.S. Soccer would not thrive without its support from Nike. Mexico has been able to reach new heights of on the field success as a result of its support from Televisa. Panama and Costa Rica national programs have catapulted forward through hundreds of millions of dollars of government investment. So to think that other FA’s are “self sufficient” is a bit of a misread of how national programs from around the world are supported.
The only way for a FA to be “self sufficient” is if a deep-pocketed benefactor emerges and underwrites the entire operation. We are coming out of such an arrangement and I don’t think it is healthy for the game because we have a large group of administrators who were never allowed to develop a commercial acumen because their basic needs were provided for by Mr. Warner.
Even the basic responsibility of paying dues by some of our member associations has become a foreign concept in our football culture. We must look at a system where every SUBSTANTIVE revenue stream can be tapped, and this does not mean boat rides and barbecues.
Flex, there are roughly ten areas where we can realize revenue and this is what we have been able to do over the past year to diversify our revenue stream.
Here are some
Corporate sponsorship - Our present sponsors came aboard and were cultivated under my watch and there are more to come. We brought on a new marketing company and their first project will be obtaining support for the merchandising program.
Government - During the last two years and through our direct efforts, the ministry of sport has provided over $20 million in funding to help with national teams programs and match expenses as well as assist TTFA pay arrears owed to coaches and players.
Merchandising - Through the use of a FIFA grant, the TTFA has purchased merchandise, a mobile store, and about to unveil a brand new website that includes its own e-commerce platform so we can sell merchandise around the world. Most importantly, the line of merchandise we are selling will directly impact coaches and players as well will use sales from the new Soca Warriors brand items to fund player and coaches salaries.
Licensing - We have developed and trademarked a new brand called Soca Warriors and with this brand as well as the trademarked TTFA brand, licensed products and services are already on the market at places such as The Fan Club and worldsoccershop.com. The development of our licensing program is the single biggest potentially lucrative revenue stream opportunity for the TTFA and we can also tie the sales of licensed goods to twitter accounts of national team players as a way to raise additional revenue for them directly from their fans.
Individual Donors - We will continue to cultivate individual benefactors who wish to support our programs. The idea of creating a booster club or something known as a crowd surfing has been shared with me for the purpose of supporting specific teams and it seems worth exploring.
Dues - Our basic administrative functions and ability to carry out service to our members are directly tied to this revenue stream. More is being done to enable the TTFA to become more assertive in collecting these funds.
Television/Media - A major revenue stream for other developed football nations, we have raised tv and radio revenue, minimal though it may be, it helped in the recent past. We are now on the cusp of a new media arrangement that will eclipse anything the TTFA has done in the past.
Gates - Bottom line Flex is people have to come out and support the national programs. Currently, games we host lose money. Football cannot move forward without the support of the people. Improved attendance can be a tremendous help to our operations.
Courses/Development Programs - The culture of “freeness” will have to end and the opportunities provided by the FA to develop professional development opportunities should be taken advantage of and invested in by the people who will benefit the most. Courses have been organized and more are on the way.
FIFA/CONCACAF Development – Wherever there is a grant available, we have taken advantage of it. We will continue to go about in this direction and create more programs to benefit the football family.
The TTFA has been operating at basically a minus deficit and does not have any money coming it. How do you guys do it? and how long will you continue? What if PNM doesn't win election, what will be the outcome?
RTK: We have some funds coming in and will continue to find resources. The issue is the timing of the funds and the delays we sometimes experience makes planning a challenge. On the issue of the general election, we will see after September 7. My focus now is on the FA and lining up enough support to take our teams through the end of the year and meet with the stakeholders after the general election to have a frank and candid planning session to create a 10 year development plan for football.
How are we planning to utilize the FIFA international dates.
RTK: We intend to fill as many dates as possible for both the men’s and women’s teams. September and October will be the next round of FIFA dates.
When is the next TTFA election and who can run. Also, give us an update on the new constitution and the Training Centre.
RTK: The constitution is being ratified later this month and the election date will be selected after the member associations alter their respective constitutions to fall in line with the new TTFA constitution. The GOAL Project Training Centre lease is being organized by the ministry. Our General Secretary recently spoke with the Ministry lawyer on the matter.
Do you have any future plans for the other national teams.
RTK: Yes, we plan on meeting with the coaches shortly to go over the recently shared budget that the ministry provided our General Secretary.
You once told me you were looking into bringing foreign Clubs to play in T&T. How possible is that dream? And will we see a new kit for the upcoming Gold Cup.
RTK: We are still looking into the possibilities but it has to be the right team and we have to be reasonably certain that the public will support it. There will be a new kit for the Gold Cup and it will be launched before the tournament.
How much debts have the TTFA paid out since you became President and who else do they owe? Do you feel it would have been better if the TTFA had file bankruptcy to escape debts and build fresh.
RTK: Filing for bankruptcy would have meant all vendors and people owed money by the TTFF would have lost. I think that would have been unfair to all those who put out their resources to help us when we needed them. I would have found great difficulty to live with my conscience. Of the 129 creditors 20% were major creditors but other 80% were poor people who provided things like transport, meals for players, catering for games and other functions etc.We decided it was fairer to take the problems head on, create a reform commission in order to address the structural and governance problems, and chip away at the debt while giving our players the chance to play. Had we gone the bankruptcy way out women’s programs would not have had the chance to shine, our men’s program would not have experienced the good run in the 2013 Gold Cup, players like Kevin Molino and Levi Garcia may not have emerged. So, as challenging as it has been to take on the incredible task of cleaning up after years of dysfunction, in the end I believe the effort will be worth it and the FA will be stronger and in a better position to support football clubs and players.
Do you believe T&T players need a players union.
RTK: I ensured in the new constitution that there be a place in our membership for a players association. In fact, in the settlement with the 2006 players, the TTFA inserted a line that we will not impeded the creation of a players association.
Now that Jack Warner is under fire and the Marvin Lee Stadium may very well be confiscated by the governing body. Do you feel it would be wise to approach whom ever and making a possible deal for making it the home of T&T football.
RTK: We have to wait for the dust to settle a bit before making any assessment. I’ve always been open to the prospect of the TTFA having access to a facility that we should have always benefitted from the beginning. Let’s see what happens.
Copyrights of the Soca Warriors Online - Any press using the following article written by Inshan Mohammed are welcome to do so providing they reveal the source and writer. Furthermore, no portion of this article may be copied without proper credit as well. SWO would also like the thank Mr Tim Kee for taking the time out to this interview for us and also Sheldon Phillips for his assistance.
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Great interview Flex!!! I notice he duck this question: who can run, and that despite all the old talk, i get the impression he think Gov't must fund of the order of half of TTFA budget.
If you ever get an answer on who can (will) run, please call down an interview with that person too Flex! This was a good campaign by TK...i jus hoope the online survey the other day wasn't to help him prepare answers for what the critic tink! ;D
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What did I just read ? We as a public cannot be satisfied with this garbage :frustrated: :banginghead: , He takes the blame for nothing and uses this to tell us it is the government fault. This has to be an email interview, I can't see this making sense otherwise. This is the man leading our football what a joke.
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Big big interview Flex.
Tim Kee seems to be a level headed person who has T&T at heart.
However, when he has people like David Muhammad consistently making a mess of things it reflects on Tim Kee and his poor administration and staff members. He should consider getting new people to help run the FA and a good marketing manager.
I am very disappointed in Sancho, Tim Kee has call him out here and he seems like he is more interested in foreign development or pleasing foreigners instead of his own. Sooner or later he is gone, can't believe he let the most corrupted party in T&T thief his head, not a true rasta.
Very good interview by Tim Kee and I am glad he decided to give Flex a long awaited one.
I feel better today and I hope they get the support, I would really love to see the current TTFA under better conditions operate.
My advice to Tim Kee, time to clean up your house and show the public you mean business and hire someone who willing to do some honest work.
I hope we get some decent kits, I really waiting for the Gold Cup to see the new kit, I would love to buy one, off course not the current one though.
Keep up the good work Flex, your writing is boss, you make me feel to read, even though it was long, I enjoyed it.
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Answers submitted in writing or via voice?
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submitted on the back of a cigarette packet. The guy is just trying to get everyone back on side by blaming everyone else rather than own up and admit that his staff and himself are incompetent.
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Answers submitted in writing or via voice?
Writing, why?
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submitted on the back of a cigarette packet. The guy is just trying to get everyone back on side by blaming everyone else rather than own up and admit that his staff and himself are incompetent.
How?
He is saying this in public, this is not a private conversation, its up to Sancho and company to come back with something now.
Would love to get FS take on this? Sancho gone hiding, chashing after the little soocer girls to make T&T look good, a real uncle Tom we call them here.
I do agree about some of his staff members though, like the David Muhamad guy, maybe he related to Tim Kee, cause it seems he can't be removed?
http://www.socawarriors.net/mens-senior-team/senior-team-news/federation-news/12131-major-ttff-changes-afoot-muhammad-tipped-for-managerial-return.html
Its barely 3 years, give the man a chance, unless some big billionair take over T&T football and inject some money into it, no one would have done more in that short space of time.
If you dont like Tim Kee, thats find, but at least be honest with your criticism.
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Doubt the bloke can run a bath properly if im honest!! In 3 years he could of turned the ship around!! ive known guys take over failing companies with millions of debts and within a few years the debts cleared and making money again. How much time does he need??
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Doubt the bloke can run a bath properly if im honest!!
Another Englishman here., trying to talk T&T football.
:rotfl: :rotfl:
Let me guess, you did not get the TD job and now you bitter?
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im far from bitter, I just think that in 3 years he could of turned the ship around rather than play the blame game. if my business is failing will the government bail me out??
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im far from bitter, I just think that in 3 years he could of turned the ship around rather than play the blame game. if my business is failing will the government bail me out??
Who is he blaming?
I dont understand?
I am not siding 100% with Tim Kee, but tell us a little more?
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He is blaming MoS for the monies etc, but any business shouldn't be reliant on government handouts because of incompetent management. The buck stops with the man at the top and if he cant get his house in order why should the tax payer help him?
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He is blaming MoS for the monies etc, but any business shouldn't be reliant on government handouts because of incompetent management. The buck stops with the man at the top and if he cant get his house in order why should the tax payer help him?
Nah, de government should just give all de other sports millions and not football. Yuh talking shit, then de goverment should not give other sports to then?
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/sports/TTCB-signs-13-million-deal-with-NGC-239700181.html
This is T&T, de money not going into Tim Kee pocket. It going back into de teams. Tim Kee says 2.6 millin left from the 9 that was pass a while back before Sancho came here.
If Sancho so care about taxs payers money he should go after Lifesports to recover some. Or de man who use to get 50,000 to cut de grass in de stadium a month.
He should worry about Central FC, them look like they falling apart to, because Sancho get hungry for power.
Yes, things can be run better, I agree, but doh take chain up with Sancho vs Tim Kee, 2 politicans who measuring toetie whole week.
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Big f00cking read, ah take whole morning to read this, but it was well worth it, it's about time Tim Kee.
I taking this with a pinch of salt though, until I see some staff movements and positive things happening consistently then I know for sure Tim Kee serious, in de meantime I just watching.
De first thing de TTFA have to do is fire de dead heads in de TTFA and hire a decent bunch of guys.
I love de fact Tim Kee did de interview for Flex and I hope he means what he say, ah watching him like ah have coke-key eye.
It sad that Sancho turn against us, because SWO help them in de past with de money Jack stole, he more taken up on a fete match league and showboat.
Bit that was a good read, ah go read it again to make sure me eh miss nothing. Tim Kee sounded a little dilomatic at times and did not answer Flex questions like we woulda like to read, Flex punch out some good ones they, but he is a politican, so we can expect that.
Time go tell, but Tim Kee seems alright, for now.
Ah hope they get some backing though, isonly so much people, staff and players could take.
And try to get your house organise man.
They making allyuh look bad.
Time to come out of this ole fashion mentality and friend thing.
Ah waiting for de new constitution.
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I agree government should help sports but only if the sport is self sufficient and not running up debts etc. All that happens in this organisation is the government money pays off debts, is that fair to the taxpayer? if you run up debts will the PM clear them for you?
Im not taking sides but the blame game needs to stop for the future of the game in T&T
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Debt Reduction - In just over two years, he took $6 million USD in debt and reduced it to $2 million.
I agree government should help sports but only if the sport is self sufficient and not running up debts etc. All that happens in this organisation is the government money pays off debts, is that fair to the taxpayer? if you run up debts will the PM clear them for you?
Im not taking sides but the blame game needs to stop for the future of the game in T&T
So Tim Kee is lying?
Didn't he inherit the debt Jack Warner left?
Maybe you know more, why not enlighten us?
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Responses sound like a mix of Phillips and Tim Kee.
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Answers submitted in writing or via voice?
Writing, why?
Just curious as that helps to place the interview in context. And to decipher a lil between the lines. I detect a lil ghostwriting.
Btw, why yuh din ask him why "now"? Why did he decide to respond at this particular point in time?
I'm also curious as to whether he has interest in the CFU presidency. I got the sense he hasn't been thrilled with the present leader.
Good read.
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Big f00cking read, ah take whole morning to read this, but it was well worth it, it's about time Tim Kee.
I taking this with a pinch of salt though, until I see some staff movements and positive things happening consistently then I know for sure Tim Kee serious, in de meantime I just watching.
De first thing de TTFA have to do is fire de dead heads in de TTFA and hire a decent bunch of guys.
I love de fact Tim Kee did de interview for Flex and I hope he means what he say, ah watching him like ah have coke-key eye.
It sad that Sancho turn against us, because SWO help them in de past with de money Jack stole, he more taken up on a fete match league and showboat.
Bit that was a good read, ah go read it again to make sure me eh miss nothing. Tim Kee sounded a little dilomatic at times and did not answer Flex questions like we woulda like to read, Flex punch out some good ones they, but he is a politican, so we can expect that.
Time go tell, but Tim Kee seems alright, for now.
Ah hope they get some backing though, isonly so much people, staff and players could take.
And try to get your house organise man.
They making allyuh look bad.
Time to come out of this ole fashion mentality and friend thing.
Ah waiting for de new constitution.
It sad that Sancho turn against us, because SWO help them in de past It actually seems to be the opposite. People swallowing hook line and sinker and blaming Sancho, yet you say he turned against the site? Look how Flex started the article about how Sancho is ducking the site. Yet Tim-Kee never been near sw.net while Sancho gave an interview within a month of taking office. Yet now Tim-Kee is Mr Open Book. Funny how he's found the time just before TTFA and General Elections.
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It sad that Sancho turn against us, because SWO help them in de past It actually seems to be the opposite. People swallowing hook line and sinker and blaming Sancho, yet you say he turned against the site? Look how Flex started the article about how Sancho is ducking the site. Yet Tim-Kee never been near sw.net while Sancho gave an interview within a month of taking office. Yet now Tim-Kee is Mr Open Book. Funny how he's found the time just before TTFA and General Elections.
I'll let Flex speak for himself, but he never said Sancho was "ducking the site" he said he reached out and Sancho didn't even so much as acknowledge the request for comment. Flex even went so far as to suggest that there might be good reason why we haven't heard from Sancho. But ever the vigilant lapdog, any perceived slight against your master is turned into a major offense against his person.
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Debt Reduction - In just over two years, he took $6 million USD in debt and reduced it to $2 million.
I agree government should help sports but only if the sport is self sufficient and not running up debts etc. All that happens in this organisation is the government money pays off debts, is that fair to the taxpayer? if you run up debts will the PM clear them for you?
Im not taking sides but the blame game needs to stop for the future of the game in T&T
So Tim Kee is lying?
Didn't he inherit the debt Jack Warner left?
Maybe you know more, why not enlighten us?
Have you seen the books to back up the claim about the debt reduction?
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He is blaming MoS for the monies etc, but any business shouldn't be reliant on government handouts because of incompetent management. The buck stops with the man at the top and if he cant get his house in order why should the tax payer help him?
Where did he blame the MoS "for the monies etc"?
In an ideal world taxpayer money would not be spent on something as relatively trivial as sports... but Trinidad has followed the British model and included sports on a cabinet/ministerial level. If taxpayer money is going to be spent on sport then it is only right that it be spent on the most popular sport (certainly by participation figures) in the country. Further, if Ministry funds itself isn't being spent then government entities need to be encouraged to spend on football, especially given the disproportionate support given to cricket.
The elephant in the room is the demographics behind both sports... cricket receives significantly more support from Indo-Trinis, the PP government's base. Many upper-level managers at these state-owned entities are themselves Indo-Trinis. For the PP government, it is an emotional and political decision to fund cricket. Football has no such support, not even in spite of Sancho's presumed advocacy. If taxpayer monies are going to jump up then let it jump up for everybody.
I agree government should help sports but only if the sport is self sufficient and not running up debts etc. All that happens in this organisation is the government money pays off debts, is that fair to the taxpayer? if you run up debts will the PM clear them for you?
Im not taking sides but the blame game needs to stop for the future of the game in T&T
What debts are the TTFA 'running up'... could you elaborate?
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Good interview Flex, you asked some tough yet important questions :beermug: I will wait to see how things turnout based on the answers.
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It sad that Sancho turn against us, because SWO help them in de past It actually seems to be the opposite. People swallowing hook line and sinker and blaming Sancho, yet you say he turned against the site? Look how Flex started the article about how Sancho is ducking the site. Yet Tim-Kee never been near sw.net while Sancho gave an interview within a month of taking office. Yet now Tim-Kee is Mr Open Book. Funny how he's found the time just before TTFA and General Elections.
I'll let Flex speak for himself, but he never said Sancho was "ducking the site" he said he reached out and Sancho didn't even so much as acknowledge the request for comment. Flex even went so far as to suggest that there might be good reason why we haven't heard from Sancho. But ever the vigilant lapdog, any perceived slight against your master is turned into a major offense against his person.
Bakes, you could never let anyone speak for themselves.
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Bakes, you could never let anyone speak for themselves.
I let you speak for yourself all the time... and it's worked out so well that even Fenwick's wife is calling you a liar to your face.
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Bakes, you could never let anyone speak for themselves.
I let you speak for yourself all the time... and it's worked out so well that even Fenwick's wife is calling you a liar to your face.
Explain? When did this happen, as I wasn't there at the time. More lies, Mr Bakes??
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Explain? When did this happen, as I wasn't there at the time. More lies, Mr Bakes??
You have yet to catch me in one lie... let alone more lies.
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couldn’t sit back and not comment, Kevin you are a LIAR!.. lemme guess, your technical staff waiting on Terry to…rubbish.
Reply - Friday 26 June 2015
http://wired868.com/2015/06/25/central-and-fenwick-part-ways-vranes-among-possible-new-coaches/
But anyways... I'm not about to make this thread about you, if you have something of substance to add to what Tim Kee said then feel free.
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Explain? When did this happen, as I wasn't there at the time. More lies, Mr Bakes??
You have yet to catch me in one lie... let alone more lies.
Reyna Kowlessar
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couldn’t sit back and not comment, Kevin you are a LIAR!.. lemme guess, your technical staff waiting on Terry to…rubbish.
Reply - Friday 26 June 2015
http://wired868.com/2015/06/25/central-and-fenwick-part-ways-vranes-among-possible-new-coaches/
But anyways... I'm not about to make this thread about you, if you have something of substance to add to what Tim Kee said then feel free.
So wait...you're not going to make this thread about me, yet you make a statement concerning my integrity? So it's not a lie? But it never happened did it? She never called me a liar to my face did she?
This is the first time I have seen this comment, as I got bored when the conversation went political. It certainly wasn't to my face and I am very disappointed in Reyna, her comment doesn't even make sense, though I can understand that she wishes to defend Terry.
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So wait...you're not going to make this thread about me, yet you make a statement concerning my integrity? So it's not a lie? But it never happened did it? She never called me a liar to my face did she?
This is the first time I have seen this comment, as I got bored when the conversation went political. It certainly wasn't to my face and I am very disappointed in Reyna, her comment doesn't even make sense, though I can understand that she wishes to defend Terry.
Using the word "integrity" in the any conversation referencing you diminishes it's meaning. The comment wasn't literally to your face but figuratively it was said to your face seeing that you were right there in the discussion when she said it. Split the hairs however many ways you want to. At any rate, the point is more and more people are finding you and Sancho out.
Moving on.
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So wait...you're not going to make this thread about me, yet you make a statement concerning my integrity? So it's not a lie? But it never happened did it? She never called me a liar to my face did she?
This is the first time I have seen this comment, as I got bored when the conversation went political. It certainly wasn't to my face and I am very disappointed in Reyna, her comment doesn't even make sense, though I can understand that she wishes to defend Terry.
Using the word "integrity" in the any conversation referencing you diminishes it's meaning. The comment wasn't literally to your face but figuratively it was said to your face seeing that you were right there in the discussion when she said it. Split the hairs however many ways you want to. At any rate, the point is more and more people are finding you and Sancho out.
Moving on.
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Big f00cking read, ah take whole morning to read this, but it was well worth it, it's about time Tim Kee.
I taking this with a pinch of salt though, until I see some staff movements and positive things happening consistently then I know for sure Tim Kee serious, in de meantime I just watching.
De first thing de TTFA have to do is fire de dead heads in de TTFA and hire a decent bunch of guys.
I love de fact Tim Kee did de interview for Flex and I hope he means what he say, ah watching him like ah have coke-key eye.
It sad that Sancho turn against us, because SWO help them in de past with de money Jack stole, he more taken up on a fete match league and showboat.
Bit that was a good read, ah go read it again to make sure me eh miss nothing. Tim Kee sounded a little dilomatic at times and did not answer Flex questions like we woulda like to read, Flex punch out some good ones they, but he is a politican, so we can expect that.
Time go tell, but Tim Kee seems alright, for now.
Ah hope they get some backing though, isonly so much people, staff and players could take.
And try to get your house organise man.
They making allyuh look bad.
Time to come out of this ole fashion mentality and friend thing.
Ah waiting for de new constitution.
It sad that Sancho turn against us, because SWO help them in de past It actually seems to be the opposite. People swallowing hook line and sinker and blaming Sancho, yet you say he turned against the site? Look how Flex started the article about how Sancho is ducking the site. Yet Tim-Kee never been near sw.net while Sancho gave an interview within a month of taking office. Yet now Tim-Kee is Mr Open Book. Funny how he's found the time just before TTFA and General Elections.
On the contrary, questions were sent out to Mr Sancho two days before I sent them out to Tim Kee and I had copied you in (June 12th). You PM me and told me you not involved and prefer he answered them, I agreed, I only copied you in so you know that I sent them and no one can deny I didn't reach out.
He never bothered replying to the email or even acknowledged it.
I was in the process to getting some truth out about the 9.9 missing millions or how it was spent because I was fed up with the he say, they say and decided to go to the source directly, this way everyone get a fair chance.
While Sancho decided to just ignore my request Mr Tim Kee gladly obliged.
Once he agreed, I slipped in a few extra.
I dont know his motive or timing as I am only the messenger.
My questions to Sancho
1. Can you tell us what's the real story behind the 9.9 million dollars that was approve under former Minister of Sport (Griffith) and how it was spent and how come we are hearing from your ministry that the TTFA have already used up 90% of it. Wasn't the money set aside strictly for the T&T senior men's team among other things? Did you infuse restrictions to the approved money?
2. Did you use part of the said money to pay for the Women's Premier League (WPL). Also, the TTFA is a governing body, did you seek permission to host such tournament and if yes, are to guys working hand in hand to make this successful.
3. What is the purpose for the WPL and how exactly is it benefitting T&T women's team and development of the women's game. Now, I am no Einstein however, wouldn't it had been better to take the 1.7 million and improve the already Women Professional League (WoLF) and have it run like the WPL. In other words, the same foreigners could partake, just invest the money in the already establish league on a long term basis. And also, according to reports, you wanted to give our senior women's team some much need practice for the upcoming Pan Am games, but wouldn't it have been good to also just give it to the women's programme and have them play a few quality international. How can a tournament for merely 6 weeks be of any beneficiary to T&T women's team and why all of a sudden an interest in women's football? Not saying they shouldn't be one, just asking. Everyone who takes over the position of Ministry of Sports seems to have their own agenda. Now that you want to improve the women's league with this new WPL tournament. What about the men's Pro League?
4. Do you believe T&T players need a players union and now that you are in a position to make a change, can this be achieve?
5. The TTFA election for new president is approaching sometime in the near future. Will you consider running for head or do you have someone you feel should take up the challenge.
6. What sort of connections do you have or role you play with Central FC now that you are Minister of Sports? Does Central FC get any preferential treatment as far as money goes and what can we expect to see from them in the CONCACAF Champion League.
7. I've heard that you guys were sent by the TTFA an U-23 budget which would result in the youngsters earning $20k per month each in June and July. Match fees and stipends amounted to over $1 million. Can you touch on this.
8. From my understanding it looks like you do not trust the TTFA president and knowing that he was once close to Jack Warner makes it even worst. But why do T&T footballers, fans and coaches have to suffer for this political riff? I mean, you do not have to give the TTFA any money on hand, however, just what ever is agreed like (accommodation, match fees, coaches and players salary) pay them directly, this way no one can say the TTFA stole anything.
9. Didn't Raymond Tim Kee try to make ends meet when he first came onboard. I remember him trying to pay the 2006 World Cup Warriors their bonus that Jack Warner stole. Now I don't know the details, but wasn't he trying to work with you guys and what all of a sudden the fall-out?
10. Is the T&T government obligated to help football and sports in T&T.
11. Is Maylee Atti-Johnson working in your ministry? if yes, will we see her or anyone else replace the insubordinate permanent Secretary Mr Ashwin Creed.
12. Mr Sancho, good luck and thank you, would you like to touch on anything else from a football standpoint. And why does cricket get more support from the government and government companies that football.
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That is a major fail from Sancho if he did not reply to any of Flex's questions above.
I guess Sancho is now a full fledge politician and is showing his true colours.
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Mr. Tim Kee, I trust that you'll probably be viewing the responses to your interview with Flex if you're really serious about your task at hand.
I do have a couple questions of my own, the answers which you may pass along to Flex.
Thank you sir :)
1. The $36 million debt was mainly accumulated during what period and for what purpose?
2. What is the 'new' organizational structure going to be like?
3. What about the 'new' constitution; where can we find a copy?
4. Is it TTFF or TTFA?..your website is still www.ttffonline.com.
5. Speaking about your website, no banners or acknowledgement of your sponsors are to be found. Hence I can see why people are saying you guys are not self sufficient in locating sponsors. (Business Tip - Showing that you can attract sponsors will most likely lead to more sponsors coming on board).
6. So you basically saying T&T football will suffer further if the current government stays in power?
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The elephant in the room is the demographics behind both sports... cricket receives significantly more support from Indo-Trinis, the PP government's base. Many upper-level managers at these state-owned entities are themselves Indo-Trinis. For the PP government, it is an emotional and political decision to fund cricket. Football has no such support, not even in spite of Sancho's presumed advocacy. If taxpayer monies are going to jump up then let it jump up for everybody.
Bakes, cricket to me, has always been well financed and supported, I think due to having better administration. Not saying Alloy Lequay was a saint either lol. Not sure if sponsorship has increased greatly recently due to the PP government.
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Lequay was a superb sports administrator. He was able to get support from business and govt, especially for cricket. Did not agree with his politics though. And he was also a politician. Unlike football, cricket in the beginning was loading with the "town" people. QPCC had a big say in TT cricket. They had big influence on how cricket was run in TT. They had big business support. Carb stand, Guiness stand were big private undertaking. This was not the case in football. I was told that in the 60s some in the football fraternity was trying to get TFA to acquire land at the current HCS to build a TFA ground, but the top people in TFA did not pursue it. They were contented in using the Oval for big games and the Grand stand for football in the North. They refuse to think long term. So up to now the TTFA does not have one practice facility to its name. Then all them years Jack was there. He acquire everything for himself. Sancho and the blacklisted took the rest. TTFA has nothing.
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The elephant in the room is the demographics behind both sports... cricket receives significantly more support from Indo-Trinis, the PP government's base. Many upper-level managers at these state-owned entities are themselves Indo-Trinis. For the PP government, it is an emotional and political decision to fund cricket. Football has no such support, not even in spite of Sancho's presumed advocacy. If taxpayer monies are going to jump up then let it jump up for everybody.
Bakes, cricket to me, has always been well financed and supported, I think due to having better administration. Not saying Alloy Lequay was a saint either lol. Not sure if sponsorship has increased greatly recently due to the PP government.
Whether "increased greatly" or not the point is the disparity. NGC just signed a $13m sponsorship with cricket... and Red Steel ent even Trini owned, but we throwing state money at them. Meanwhile only salt and derision for football. You can't just look at the situation in isolation, when you have clear political reasons being given for football being starved, and this is taxpayers' money, that is shit. NGC spend $2million on a Carnival fete but only spite fuh football? Talk of "better administration" is just an excuse... any sponsor is free to add whatever stipulations like to the terms of their sponsorship.
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Tim kee is a manipulator and can't manage our football..
Not taking away from flex but this interview don't tell us or mean anything because Tim kee wasn't even the one writing it... I believe there is a ghost writer involved.. It doesn't sound like him, he is not a good speaker or writer from my sources..
His timing is key, because he did this before general elections and the agm to drum up support and pretend to be transparent..
I want sancho to give me that interview and if Tim kee brave, let him face me live on air...
He talking a bunch of fluff in this interview.. He's saying what he believes people wanna hear to save his skin and to be re appointed..
I don't buy a bit of it..
Why doesn't he do it live on radio or TV? Because he is afraid to face the heat.. So he has a writer answer for him while he approves what is said, easy to edit but let him speak live and then you will see the true colours..
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Debt Reduction - In just over two years, he took $6 million USD in debt and reduced it to $2 million.
I agree government should help sports but only if the sport is self sufficient and not running up debts etc. All that happens in this organisation is the government money pays off debts, is that fair to the taxpayer? if you run up debts will the PM clear them for you?
Im not taking sides but the blame game needs to stop for the future of the game in T&T
So Tim Kee is lying?
Didn't he inherit the debt Jack Warner left?
Maybe you know more, why not enlighten us?
I have a pig that can fly for sale... I want the top dollar for it because you can make some serious coin in the circus..
Let me know when you can make the deal happen?
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In many ways, the title of this thread is succinctly captured in the interview- we get a glimpse of the president, his progress to date , the issues ( be it political or contrived), and the state of TnT football. What is left is for us to decipher if we see if is easier to be critical or correct or if in fact we could reserve judgement until another story emerges.
What we have before us , is the presentation of one side of a story , which has been revealed with most concise and carefully worded responses. Given Mr.Tim Kee's position and the amount of issues of late with the TTFA, I would think it would be prudent of him to be thoughtful about how responses are conveyed for public consumption. Having said that, in reading the responses, I am reminded once,more to seperate the issue from the person. I find that in our style of examining issues,we have a tendency to lunch personal atatcks on individuals as oppose to looking at issues.
What are some areas of doubt? For me, it is trying to decipher how one could be in an executive position and onein charge of finances and not be aware of how the financial business was being allegedly manipulated by a "Special Advisor" ? Is like Sepp Blatter not being aware of what was happening with members of his executive body? In Mr. Kee's position as a Vice President and treasurer then, was he not privy to the financial state of affairs? He did mentioned that he took actions to have the books audited but allegedly the general secretary at the time and the SP allegedly put up some blocks? Interesting.
Did Mr.Kee's responses to Flex's questions seem sincere? It came across as a man who has a deep interest I the football affairs of TnT. Question? What warranted a desire to change the constitution? Is thee an independent body presiding over these changes? Howarecandidates selected or nominated to run as president of the TTFA? Is there a review board to interview or to judge the competency or acceptably of candidates?
How independent and impartial must the presiding offices of the TTFA be from holding anty political affinities?
I am most impressed with the statement which asserted that political ministers in charge of sports, ought to be working iin conjunction with the TTFA to do what is right for the players, the programs and the people of TnT rather that to be self serving.
I am encouraged by the responses and the public declaration from this interview by Mr.Tim Kee's desire to wanting to move forward. I am saddened by those who are I.l informed, misguided and blameful without considering the complexities of managing the mandate of an-association that is under considerable external threats ( real or perceived). Consider this was an association that was for all intense and purposes ruined and shut down after 2006- one I which some played and coaches ( Shabbazz) were reportedly venturing into the offices and carting off with any valuable memorabilia including footballs! What was inherited by this administration and what the public expected from this administration is nothing is worth reflecting on.
So while I am not here as are fender of anyone, I would like tibe objective and consider all that has been playing out in trying to keep our programs viable- It is a belief that there are always two sides to a story and a truth somewhere in between . I will let that part unfold in time.
" The fault dear Brutus lies not in the stars but in ourselves" ( Julius Ceasar- Shakespeare). One has to caution against blaming the other when trying to right wrong! Standing up against the wrong and calling out the wrong doer in the act takes courage. It appears to me that a common refrain from those within the present government is to blame and chastise anyone assocciated with of who may represent PNM and it just seems to me that Mr.Kee may be suffering the ill effects of political squeezes and is being made a sacrificial lamb for the sins of others.
I am more disappointed by a MOS who could use better judgement,having suffered the slings and argony of underfunding as a player,to work collaboratively with Mr.Kee to alter the past rather than work I ways to heap on more financial duress and undermining tactics to shame the TTFA and ultimately cause more suffering for our players.
So while every spider has its own web to weave, I await to hear presentable facts from the MoS which may refute or substantiate any just cause as made by Mr.Kee. Until I reserve the right to cast any blame or otherwise uninformed or misinformed judgement.
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There's some cause for optimism here; an interesting interview. The main problem is the same as it was 4 years ago, and it's a problem that requires a lot less money to fix - you need to hire competent, accountable employees who are qualified and skilled enough to carry out the job. Bluntly, any manager who fails to manage a project that's repeated every 4 years needs to be shown the door immediately for gross incompetence - Muhammad has been failing in his duties for a long time now and needs to move on or needs training combined with a clearer set of success and failure criteria that could lead to the termination of his contract.
The constitution needs to go through, but there are some absolutely basic aspects of transparency that need to go through as well;
- Publish a full, ratified list of regulations for clubs and players in the Pro League and Super League, in a PDF, in a clearly signposted area on your website
- Publish a clear management structure on the website detailing duties that staff members have, their responsibilities, and the mutual commitments between your organisation and them
- Change your web address to reflect the updated name, have the old web address redirect to the new one
- Make clear data recording obligations to your member clubs - they must record the number of league games, goals, disciplinary points, age, and main position on the league website, to be updated after every round of play. This should help exposure for the players and keep a formal record for the organisation. To be honest, they should all maintain a website in some fashion and have published contact numbers and addresses as well.
- Players in the National Pool must be in possession of a valid passport with 6 months left remaining in order to be eligible for National Selection - a letter/email should be sent out every 6 months reminding players and clubs of this obligation.
- A formalised, anonymous method of reporting foul play needs to be set up for all stakeholders of Trinbagonian football; there needs to be bureaucratic procedures that clearly set out everyone's obligations in relation to fair play and ethical administration.
- You need a full time Project Manager to be employed who is a university graduate with some experience and relevant qualifications (e.g. Prince 2) - my wife and father are qualified in these fields (they aren't for hire hah) and I can tell you the difference my missus made to a major Trinidadian charity (in the region of several million more US dollars of grants and sponsorship). As a Football Association you run events throughout the year and you need an organised individual who is able to juggle several deadlines and able to keep other members of staff aware of key dates - Muhammad is clearly incapable of coping with this so far.
- You need to spell out your commitments to staff and players formally and stick to them. If you can't afford to pay your staff this year then ask for voluntary staff with paid travel, or alternatively involve a sponsor who is willing to pay the specific cost of particular staff and give them prominent backing in terms of exposure and kind words to the press
- You need to formalise procedures that are apparently not formalised as it stands - how you hire staff in all positions, the time-frames leading up to major events, bidding processes etc.
- When you run coaching courses, they must be advertised more formally and you need to recoup the cost - the fact that some random American bloke rocks up off the boat and gets on one of the previous courses, but stalwarts of the game didn't hear about it seems poorly planned at best and suspicious at worst.
- Accounts, everywhere. Let no one claim money without receipts; I'm glad to hear progress in this. Again you need a procurement (whatever it may be termed) department/employee with sufficient oversight to seek out the best deals for the organisation, in partnership with your sponsorship department. Avoid getting locked into expensive agreements to purchase particular items from particular companies.
As the president of the TTFA, and a worker in the financial sector, surely one of the concerns for not letting the TTFA go bankrupt was the implication that might have for your own work though? Not sure on the situation in Trinidad, but persons working in the financial sector in the UK can get sacked if they're declared bankrupt, and I imagine there's some sort of implication for heading a company that goes bankrupt, not that I'm exactly an expert on that.
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Very good interview Flex and a fair one.
Very disappointed in Sancho and sad that FS feels the need to defend him, even after Flex did give him the chance to say his part, btw, did not see FS reply after Flex corrected him. He is becoming a true politician, just now they will call him Moonilall.
I would not say to much but one thing I am must say is that Tim Kee said a lot here and did not hold back. Which is good because its public with nothing to hide.
Mr Tim Kee, you seem to have some ideas, but again, your administrations is terrible.
Things need to change.
And we need to stop the way things are done, last minute and very unorganised.
Once you start doing things better it will set a steady and more trust worthy path.
You need to also be more proactive as far as getting closer to fans, players and sponsors. You cannot sit and wait for a big pay day.
Its sad that the politics is killing our football and the guys like Sancho and Kevin who were doing so well on the football side decided to go into politics and all came crumbling down.
Tim Kee, I like your interview, but until we start seeing consistency, I am a little suspect.
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Big f00cking read, ah take whole morning to read this, but it was well worth it, it's about time Tim Kee.
I taking this with a pinch of salt though, until I see some staff movements and positive things happening consistently then I know for sure Tim Kee serious, in de meantime I just watching.
De first thing de TTFA have to do is fire de dead heads in de TTFA and hire a decent bunch of guys.
I love de fact Tim Kee did de interview for Flex and I hope he means what he say, ah watching him like ah have coke-key eye.
It sad that Sancho turn against us, because SWO help them in de past with de money Jack stole, he more taken up on a fete match league and showboat.
Bit that was a good read, ah go read it again to make sure me eh miss nothing. Tim Kee sounded a little dilomatic at times and did not answer Flex questions like we woulda like to read, Flex punch out some good ones they, but he is a politican, so we can expect that.
Time go tell, but Tim Kee seems alright, for now.
Ah hope they get some backing though, isonly so much people, staff and players could take.
And try to get your house organise man.
They making allyuh look bad.
Time to come out of this ole fashion mentality and friend thing.
Ah waiting for de new constitution.
It sad that Sancho turn against us, because SWO help them in de past It actually seems to be the opposite. People swallowing hook line and sinker and blaming Sancho, yet you say he turned against the site? Look how Flex started the article about how Sancho is ducking the site. Yet Tim-Kee never been near sw.net while Sancho gave an interview within a month of taking office. Yet now Tim-Kee is Mr Open Book. Funny how he's found the time just before TTFA and General Elections.
On the contrary, questions were sent out to Mr Sancho two days before I sent them out to Tim Kee and I had copied you in (June 12th). You PM me and told me you not involved and prefer he answered them, I agreed, I only copied you in so you know that I sent them and no one can deny I didn't reach out.
He never bothered replying to the email or even acknowledged it.
I was in the process to getting some truth out about the 9.9 missing millions or how it was spent because I was fed up with the he say, they say and decided to go to the source directly, this way everyone get a fair chance.
While Sancho decided to just ignore my request Mr Tim Kee gladly obliged.
Once he agreed, I slipped in a few extra.
I dont know his motive or timing as I am only the messenger.
My questions to Sancho
1. Can you tell us what's the real story behind the 9.9 million dollars that was approve under former Minister of Sport (Griffith) and how it was spent and how come we are hearing from your ministry that the TTFA have already used up 90% of it. Wasn't the money set aside strictly for the T&T senior men's team among other things? Did you infuse restrictions to the approved money?
2. Did you use part of the said money to pay for the Women's Premier League (WPL). Also, the TTFA is a governing body, did you seek permission to host such tournament and if yes, are to guys working hand in hand to make this successful.
3. What is the purpose for the WPL and how exactly is it benefitting T&T women's team and development of the women's game. Now, I am no Einstein however, wouldn't it had been better to take the 1.7 million and improve the already Women Professional League (WoLF) and have it run like the WPL. In other words, the same foreigners could partake, just invest the money in the already establish league on a long term basis. And also, according to reports, you wanted to give our senior women's team some much need practice for the upcoming Pan Am games, but wouldn't it have been good to also just give it to the women's programme and have them play a few quality international. How can a tournament for merely 6 weeks be of any beneficiary to T&T women's team and why all of a sudden an interest in women's football? Not saying they shouldn't be one, just asking. Everyone who takes over the position of Ministry of Sports seems to have their own agenda. Now that you want to improve the women's league with this new WPL tournament. What about the men's Pro League?
4. Do you believe T&T players need a players union and now that you are in a position to make a change, can this be achieve?
5. The TTFA election for new president is approaching sometime in the near future. Will you consider running for head or do you have someone you feel should take up the challenge.
6. What sort of connections do you have or role you play with Central FC now that you are Minister of Sports? Does Central FC get any preferential treatment as far as money goes and what can we expect to see from them in the CONCACAF Champion League.
7. I've heard that you guys were sent by the TTFA an U-23 budget which would result in the youngsters earning $20k per month each in June and July. Match fees and stipends amounted to over $1 million. Can you touch on this.
8. From my understanding it looks like you do not trust the TTFA president and knowing that he was once close to Jack Warner makes it even worst. But why do T&T footballers, fans and coaches have to suffer for this political riff? I mean, you do not have to give the TTFA any money on hand, however, just what ever is agreed like (accommodation, match fees, coaches and players salary) pay them directly, this way no one can say the TTFA stole anything.
9. Didn't Raymond Tim Kee try to make ends meet when he first came onboard. I remember him trying to pay the 2006 World Cup Warriors their bonus that Jack Warner stole. Now I don't know the details, but wasn't he trying to work with you guys and what all of a sudden the fall-out?
10. Is the T&T government obligated to help football and sports in T&T.
11. Is Maylee Atti-Johnson working in your ministry? if yes, will we see her or anyone else replace the insubordinate permanent Secretary Mr Ashwin Creed.
12. Mr Sancho, good luck and thank you, would you like to touch on anything else from a football standpoint. And why does cricket get more support from the government and government companies that football.
Flex shut down ah man quick, quick.
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FS, yuh still meh boy, but yuh barking up de wrong tree.
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Sam, these days I find it more sensible to have these discussions via PM, which I should have done with Flex instead of commenting on the site.
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That makes sense especially when you have nothing to stand on.
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Just curious as that helps to place the interview in context. And to decipher a lil between the lines. I detect a lil ghostwriting.
Btw, why yuh din ask him why "now"? Why did he decide to respond at this particular point in time?
I'm also curious as to whether he has interest in the CFU presidency. I got the sense he hasn't been thrilled with the present leader.
Good read.
excellent observation
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Just curious as that helps to place the interview in context. And to decipher a lil between the lines. I detect a lil ghostwriting.
Btw, why yuh din ask him why "now"? Why did he decide to respond at this particular point in time?
I'm also curious as to whether he has interest in the CFU presidency. I got the sense he hasn't been thrilled with the present leader.
Good read.
excellent observation
Yuh hadda get forensic. Which reminds me of another question I would have asked him ...
Whatever happened regarding the case of the cash allegedly flung into the moving Benz? Dahis a tax write-off?
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Yuh hadda get forensic. Which reminds me of another question I would have asked him ...
Whatever happened regarding the case of the cash allegedly flung into the moving Benz? Dahis a tax write-off?
...and yuh "forensic" investigation reveals what... other than an overactive imagination? No wonder Tim Kee, whatever his reasons, has been hesitant or tardy in entertaining questions.. it's a no-win situation. In many regards this is comparable to Obama's situation... come into office promising change; inheriting an absolute mess; encountering staunch resistance by some who vow (silently or not) to sabotage the agenda; facing an unrelenting horde of critics; expected to make magic happen; scrutinized for every failing. About the only (and significant) difference is that Obama has much more tangible and substantive successes to point to, and unlike Tim Kee, hasn't been the architect of his own undoing as often as the latter.
As for the question of alleged MovieTowne transaction, that would properly be directed to the Police (http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2014-12-07/ttfa-awaits-police-report-missing-4-million).
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Yuh hadda get forensic. Which reminds me of another question I would have asked him ...
Whatever happened regarding the case of the cash allegedly flung into the moving Benz? Dahis a tax write-off?
...and yuh "forensic" investigation reveals what... other than an overactive imagination? No wonder Tim Kee, whatever his reasons, has been hesitant or tardy in entertaining questions.. it's a no-win situation. In many regards this is comparable to Obama's situation... come into office promising change; inheriting an absolute mess; encountering staunch resistance by some who vow (silently or not) to sabotage the agenda; facing an unrelenting horde of critics; expected to make magic happen; scrutinized for every failing. About the only (and significant) difference is that Obama has much more tangible and substantive successes to point to, and unlike Tim Kee, hasn't been the architect of his own undoing as often as the latter.
As for the question of alleged MovieTowne transaction, that would properly be directed to the Police (http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2014-12-07/ttfa-awaits-police-report-missing-4-million).
Wha is all dat exegesis? Nobody eh asking him to turn water into wine, BUT, in truth we could do with a "new testament" from the TTFA.
Wha yuh trying to say? Although it's July, the TTFA shouldn't have an interest in prodding the police to the finish line? Pretty sure that newspaper article is dated December 2014.
Tim Kee isn't nailed to the cross. You should be encouraging him to act with a bit more than deliberate speed.
Yuh painting Uncle Raymond as quite a sympathetic fella, almost hapless and angelic. Obama faces the press everyday. Not so much Uncle Tim.
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No "exegesis" the analogy was political, not religious... but even so, Tim Kee trying to deliver said "new testament" and like Jesus, he still ketching hell from the Pharisees, who feel threatened ;) And if yuh doh think folks expecting miracles ala the one at Cana, then yuh haven't been reading this thread... or this site (and others) for that matter.
The TTFA could have all the "interest" in prodding the police that it wants... but if asked, the best answer that could be provided is that all relevant information was turned over to the police. By way of reminder, they still looking for Dana's murderer, so you expect Tim Kee to do what, exactly? Would that I had the power to "encourage" Tim Kee to do anything. Would that he had the power (like Carmona) to do the things people assume him to have.
"Hapless and angelic" he isn't, but neither is he as omipotent as his predecessor, which was by design as power was invested in the personality, not the office. If power is not in the office then it must reside in the offices of others. When you invest power in people yuh have to have them in yuh pocket. If yuh doh have pockets... well dog bite yuh, and nuff strays dey bout as de yardies would say. He's not the "leader of the free world", so the level of his interaction with the press (if not SWO) is likely commiserate with his office.
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Just curious as that helps to place the interview in context. And to decipher a lil between the lines. I detect a lil ghostwriting.
Btw, why yuh din ask him why "now"? Why did he decide to respond at this particular point in time?
I'm also curious as to whether he has interest in the CFU presidency. I got the sense he hasn't been thrilled with the present leader.
Good read.
excellent observation
Yuh hadda get forensic. Which reminds me of another question I would have asked him ...
Whatever happened regarding the case of the cash allegedly flung into the moving Benz? Dahis a tax write-off?
I was told that the matter has been filed and is in the hands of the police who are dragging their feet, as we all know how they operate in T&T.
Again, I was told this.
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That makes sense especially when you have nothing to stand on.
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To quote a well known forumite:
No wonder Sancho, whatever his reasons, has been hesitant or tardy in entertaining questions.. it's a no-win situation. In many regards this is comparable to Obama's situation... come into office promising change; inheriting an absolute mess; encountering staunch resistance by some who vow (silently or not) to sabotage the agenda; facing an unrelenting horde of critics; expected to make magic happen; scrutinized for every failing. Irony, ah love it.
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Irony, ah love it.
That ain't "irony" that's your lack of reading comprehension. Sancho didn't come into office making any promises, let alone "change," he didn't inherit "an absolute mess," there is no evidence of anyone vowing or trying to sabotage his agenda, most people were optimistic if not supportive of him (no "horde of criticis"), and no one expected any "magic" out of him. Yuh shoulda PM that thought to somebody who cares, because by now everybody starting to recognize you for the empty suit yuh is.
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Sancho have to remember when he came into office his (MOS) debts were wipped out. The MILLIONS Anil Roberts and company stole through Hoops of Life and Lifesports varnish.
Sancho came into office with a clean slate and a wallet full of money.
He also has the PM as his friend.
So he can talk all the big talk he wants but had him been in the same boat as Tim Kee I am sure it would have been a different story today.
Why didn't Sancho run when Tim Kee was running?
No one wanted to be TTFF president and now all of them talking rubbish.
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Nice job Flex. Well done on the interview with good probing questions.
Won't comment on much of it but I will say that it's unfortunate that Mr Tim Kee used the interview to push a partisan politics head by saying he feels T&T football will be better off under a PNM government.
So what if PNM don't win? What kind of support he, as President of the TTFA, will expect from the ruling party then?
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Nice job Flex. Well done on the interview with good probing questions.
Won't comment on much of it but I will say that it's unfortunate that Mr Tim Kee used the interview to push a partisan politics head by saying he feels T&T football will be better off under a PNM government.
So what if PNM don't win? What kind of support he, as President of the TTFA, will expect from the ruling party then?
tim kee is a con man...
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Just curious as that helps to place the interview in context. And to decipher a lil between the lines. I detect a lil ghostwriting.
Btw, why yuh din ask him why "now"? Why did he decide to respond at this particular point in time?
I'm also curious as to whether he has interest in the CFU presidency. I got the sense he hasn't been thrilled with the present leader.
Good read.
excellent observation
Yuh hadda get forensic. Which reminds me of another question I would have asked him ...
Whatever happened regarding the case of the cash allegedly flung into the moving Benz? Dahis a tax write-off?
how much of the interview ghostwritten?
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how much of the interview ghostwritten?
I say what I had tuh say.
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how much of the interview ghostwritten?
I say what I had tuh say.
Your "forensic" need a phensic.
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Flex, good interview and Tim Kee not telling all the truth.
The PAN AM team are suffering because of incompetence.
When I spoke to Sancho he said, yes, sometimes the money isn't released quickly, but again, that is people within the Ministry moving slowly on purpose.
Wallace asked for $23,000 for visas the week before the team left. Brent Sancho couldn't believe his ears and said "William, TTFA must have $23,000 for visas." Wallace said they only had $13,000 in the bank. Even if that was true, TTFA would know they needed visas months ago.
The TTFA said they had money from FIFA for a mobile shop. Well it's still sitting there waiting to be wrapped, so where did that money go?
The MOS paid out all of the cabinet note now, I believe, and still no accounts. Everybody has said they want accountability, yet when the MOS try to bring it, They're the bad guys?
Tim-Kee is still lying in the interview
This idea that since I was a member of the TTFF executive and VP during the Warner years I was somehow complicit in the inner dealings, nefarious or otherwise, of the then TTFF is simplistic at best.
You know that I saw lots of TTFF documents. I also had access to emails. There is proof that Tim-Kee knew about Warner's dodgy transactions back in 2008. This will come out eventually.
In minutes of the Executive Committee meetings after my resignation. When I felt information was being withheld, I resigned and focused my attention on developing Futsal.
I have an email from Warner to Tim-Kee where Warner tells him he is fired and being replaced.
I have been a financial benefactor to football for many years. Because of the extent of my financial contributions.
Yet last week he couldn't advance TTFA $10k for visas, but watched as our country was embarrassed?
Holding secrets? I was never one of those with whom secrets were shared. That is baseless idle chatter.
He knew that Warner was funneling money into the LOC06 account which was where the money was laundered. I have seen proof of this!
Why can’t your company help be a sponsor of the TTFA?
His whole answer here was fluff and bs. How hard would it be for him to ask Guardian Life for a policy? And Bankers don't even sell that kind of policy but they did for the team.
I join other sporting organizations in saying that the current Ministry is not serving sports a we expected. How do we justify injecting millions of US $ into CPL that is privately owned by foreigners.
He's careful here not to say Sancho, because he knows the CPL deal was done by Griffith, so instead, he infers it was Sancho.
I had a good relationship with the past ministers of sport and have had conflicts with the current minister only because I felt promises made by the Prime Minister to the senior team were being undermined and ignored.
So why was there arrears on salaries dating back from 2012? Why did Griffith put in the clause about accounts? Truth is, neither Anil or Griffith trusted TTFA.
Yes, at this point I have been focused on getting the TTFA a new constitution.
Did you know that TTFA sent out an email on Sunday night containing the new draft constitution for review before a meeting to invoke it? Problem is, the meeting was Monday night at 5pm. The MOS received there's from Pro League around 9 a.m. on Monday. People in Pro League and Super League went berserk. That afternoon, TTFA agreed to move the meeting to mid July.
We actively pursued the government for months on the matter of player and coaches arrears.
TFA agreed salary's that they couldn't afford. They are still agreeing salary's and match fees that they cannot afford. The TT$800,000 they received from MoS for U23's could have funded the upcoming U17's and Women's U20 campaigns. They are not managing funds sensibly.
Since then, the recent minister has made statements to indicate that he doesn’t intend to follow through on the Prime Minister’s promise.
Completely untrue. If this was a live interview I'm sure you guys would have called Tim-Kee on this. Yet nobody on sw.net has even mentioned this.
It is unsettling to the players and staff to go into competition under such uncertain circumstances when an agreement was established between the TTFA and the government last November. I’m not being “political” when these issues are raised as the minister claims, I am merely speaking the truth.
Actually, you are being political and you are a liar! Twice he stated that Sancho was using the cabinet note to fund WPL even though he knew this wasn't true. What actually took place is that Creed told them that money was slow coming through from Finance so money that was received for the Gold Cup camp in Miami was being utilised for WPL until the money came through in two weeks time. This was in April and in no way compromised TTFA or the Gold Cup preparation. This is an often used practice and is sound financial management. Tim-Kee chose to mislead people to serve his own political purpose.
By the way, the "worst minister" quote came about because MOS saying TTFA were paying too much in stipends and match fees which Brent agreed with. MOS was in favour of players earning as much as they can, but TTFA should not be agreeing such large fees when they can't pay them. Someone in the MOS said they have another 9 teams to look after and should be more financially frugal. Tim-Kee said that if they cut stipends and match fees, players would call him the worst sports minister ever.
It is absolutely incorrect to say our U-23 players will be receiving $20K per month.
Want me to show you the budget they submitted? The revised budget requested US$750 match fees for olympics and US$1,000 for Pan Am. Remember, they expected 3 games in each. If a player played all 6 games thats US$5,250 or TT$33,600. or TT$16,800 p.m. The initial budget included stipends which took them to over TT$40,000 for the two month period. So Tim-Kee just lied to you "to your face Flex." Nathanial Garcia for example earns TT$4,500 per month. Add that to the TTFA money and he's on over $21k per month without stipends!! By the way, staff including coaches are also paid match fees at the same amount.
We feel the resources and funds used by SPORTT for the WPL would have been better utilized by applying it towards a proper series of international camps and matches for the U20 and senior teams in preparation for their upcoming tournaments.
So why didn't TTFA use their $5 million subvention for this then? Or their FIFA grant? Or their grants from CONCACAF?
Having said that, I was a bit concerned to see our senior team defeat the WPL XI 9-2
The foreign girls had only landed the day before, didn't know each other, didn't know the coaches and half don't speak English. This week, T&T beat the foreigners 2-1. Every girl on the WNT and the coaches think WPL is better than a`n overseas friendly.
I wished you could have asked him if the current squad and U23's had this done:
A sponsorship worth over $3 million dollars that enables all national team players and technical staff to get free physicals when they come into camp.
And it was a Central F.C. initiative which he has never acknowledged.
Keep in mind that all our records...our filing cabinets and all our computers were seized from the TTFF office by the present minister and his 2006 team.
Another often repeated lie. Remember, everyone was there that day and although some computers were taken, the 06 Warriors were told they couldn't take all because they held the financial records and the bailiff said they had to remain. No filing cabinets were removed. You will also recall that Sancho, Harrison and George Hislop went back the next day to copy financial records and did a forensic audit and Mike Townley sent this to the FBI. They still have some of those copies. If the records are missing it happened after we were there.
Note I have two attachments that LOC2006 had two bank accounts and were being used up to 2009. This is the account suspected by the FBI of being used to launder money. This information was shared with FBI. I can't swear that FBI based some of their case on this info, but why would they obtain the bank statements if the guys already provided copies? At the least they know where to look.
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Flex, good interview and Tim Kee not telling all the truth.
The PAN AM team are suffering because of incompetence.
When I spoke to Sancho he said, yes, sometimes the money isn't released quickly, but again, that is people within the Ministry moving slowly on purpose.
Wallace asked for $23,000 for visas the week before the team left. Brent Sancho couldn't believe his ears and said "William, TTFA must have $23,000 for visas." Wallace said they only had $13,000 in the bank. Even if that was true, TTFA would know they needed visas months ago.
The TTFA said they had money from FIFA for a mobile shop. Well it's still sitting there waiting to be wrapped, so where did that money go?
The MOS paid out all of the cabinet note now, I believe, and still no accounts. Everybody has said they want accountability, yet when the MOS try to bring it, They're the bad guys?
Tim-Kee is still lying in the interview
This idea that since I was a member of the TTFF executive and VP during the Warner years I was somehow complicit in the inner dealings, nefarious or otherwise, of the then TTFF is simplistic at best.
You know that I saw lots of TTFF documents. I also had access to emails. There is proof that Tim-Kee knew about Warner's dodgy transactions back in 2008. This will come out eventually.
In minutes of the Executive Committee meetings after my resignation. When I felt information was being withheld, I resigned and focused my attention on developing Futsal.
I have an email from Warner to Tim-Kee where Warner tells him he is fired and being replaced.
I have been a financial benefactor to football for many years. Because of the extent of my financial contributions.
Yet last week he couldn't advance TTFA $10k for visas, but watched as our country was embarrassed?
Holding secrets? I was never one of those with whom secrets were shared. That is baseless idle chatter.
He knew that Warner was funneling money into the LOC06 account which was where the money was laundered. I have seen proof of this!
Why can’t your company help be a sponsor of the TTFA?
His whole answer here was fluff and bs. How hard would it be for him to ask Guardian Life for a policy? And Bankers don't even sell that kind of policy but they did for the team.
I join other sporting organizations in saying that the current Ministry is not serving sports a we expected. How do we justify injecting millions of US $ into CPL that is privately owned by foreigners.
He's careful here not to say Sancho, because he knows the CPL deal was done by Griffith, so instead, he infers it was Sancho.
I had a good relationship with the past ministers of sport and have had conflicts with the current minister only because I felt promises made by the Prime Minister to the senior team were being undermined and ignored.
So why was there arrears on salaries dating back from 2012? Why did Griffith put in the clause about accounts? Truth is, neither Anil or Griffith trusted TTFA.
Yes, at this point I have been focused on getting the TTFA a new constitution.
Did you know that TTFA sent out an email on Sunday night containing the new draft constitution for review before a meeting to invoke it? Problem is, the meeting was Monday night at 5pm. The MOS received there's from Pro League around 9 a.m. on Monday. People in Pro League and Super League went berserk. That afternoon, TTFA agreed to move the meeting to mid July.
We actively pursued the government for months on the matter of player and coaches arrears.
TFA agreed salary's that they couldn't afford. They are still agreeing salary's and match fees that they cannot afford. The TT$800,000 they received from MoS for U23's could have funded the upcoming U17's and Women's U20 campaigns. They are not managing funds sensibly.
Since then, the recent minister has made statements to indicate that he doesn’t intend to follow through on the Prime Minister’s promise.
Completely untrue. If this was a live interview I'm sure you guys would have called Tim-Kee on this. Yet nobody on sw.net has even mentioned this.
It is unsettling to the players and staff to go into competition under such uncertain circumstances when an agreement was established between the TTFA and the government last November. I’m not being “political” when these issues are raised as the minister claims, I am merely speaking the truth.
Actually, you are being political and you are a liar! Twice he stated that Sancho was using the cabinet note to fund WPL even though he knew this wasn't true. What actually took place is that Creed told them that money was slow coming through from Finance so money that was received for the Gold Cup camp in Miami was being utilised for WPL until the money came through in two weeks time. This was in April and in no way compromised TTFA or the Gold Cup preparation. This is an often used practice and is sound financial management. Tim-Kee chose to mislead people to serve his own political purpose.
By the way, the "worst minister" quote came about because MOS saying TTFA were paying too much in stipends and match fees which Brent agreed with. MOS was in favour of players earning as much as they can, but TTFA should not be agreeing such large fees when they can't pay them. Someone in the MOS said they have another 9 teams to look after and should be more financially frugal. Tim-Kee said that if they cut stipends and match fees, players would call him the worst sports minister ever.
It is absolutely incorrect to say our U-23 players will be receiving $20K per month.
Want me to show you the budget they submitted? The revised budget requested US$750 match fees for olympics and US$1,000 for Pan Am. Remember, they expected 3 games in each. If a player played all 6 games thats US$5,250 or TT$33,600. or TT$16,800 p.m. The initial budget included stipends which took them to over TT$40,000 for the two month period. So Tim-Kee just lied to you "to your face Flex." Nathanial Garcia for example earns TT$4,500 per month. Add that to the TTFA money and he's on over $21k per month without stipends!! By the way, staff including coaches are also paid match fees at the same amount.
We feel the resources and funds used by SPORTT for the WPL would have been better utilized by applying it towards a proper series of international camps and matches for the U20 and senior teams in preparation for their upcoming tournaments.
So why didn't TTFA use their $5 million subvention for this then? Or their FIFA grant? Or their grants from CONCACAF?
Having said that, I was a bit concerned to see our senior team defeat the WPL XI 9-2
The foreign girls had only landed the day before, didn't know each other, didn't know the coaches and half don't speak English. This week, T&T beat the foreigners 2-1. Every girl on the WNT and the coaches think WPL is better than a`n overseas friendly.
I wished you could have asked him if the current squad and U23's had this done:
A sponsorship worth over $3 million dollars that enables all national team players and technical staff to get free physicals when they come into camp.
And it was a Central F.C. initiative which he has never acknowledged.
Keep in mind that all our records...our filing cabinets and all our computers were seized from the TTFF office by the present minister and his 2006 team.
Another often repeated lie. Remember, everyone was there that day and although some computers were taken, the 06 Warriors were told they couldn't take all because they held the financial records and the bailiff said they had to remain. No filing cabinets were removed. You will also recall that Sancho, Harrison and George Hislop went back the next day to copy financial records and did a forensic audit and Mike Townley sent this to the FBI. They still have some of those copies. If the records are missing it happened after we were there.
Note I have two attachments that LOC2006 had two bank accounts and were being used up to 2009. This is the account suspected by the FBI of being used to launder money. This information was shared with FBI. I can't swear that FBI based some of their case on this info, but why would they obtain the bank statements if the guys already provided copies? At the least they know where to look.
Like I have been saying... Tim kee is a con man...
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Plenty allyuh real blind,nah, allyuh so bright, allyuh dotish..full circle everytime..If I had some literary skills or a proper brain to organize thought I would write a book "From Eric to Kamla".. Many of you have the skills, but just like our footballers, cyah use it when it matters
Anil and many others before him do a whole bunch ah monies in bobol thing that was not necessary but seem like good idea at the time, cause money flowing like oil, next set cyah find 100's of thousand dollars in backseat, in accounts, in foreign banks, in local banks, in foregn house and local houses, well doh even mention Jack, he in another league, though lower than the majority of the big boys..PPL talking bout Jack like he thief WE money, he thief FIFA money, we have ppl thiefing more of WE money from WE, robbing they own ppl blind. All we leaders lying & all we leaders robbing and thiefin. Governments and company build useless stadia at exhorbitant cost in the name of I don't know what, lunches, computers, deals, we rent boats, helicopters, and other craft , offices and everything else at double, triple whatever going rates are, we get a deal, we buying from Israel, New York, Canada, anywhere and anything foreign, cause it better and yuh have to pay for quality..we have ppl killing each other with imported guns, for imported substances, but can't arrest no importers..etc etc etc Years & Tears & Years , don't stop the party
and yet we have all kinda proof and personal observations that "Tim Kee is a con man" and "Sancho is ah imps". really ? Many have been so conned for years, they can't tell what's what or who's who, trust no one close..only those afar, unless they was once close.
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Governments and company build useless stadia at exhorbitant cost in the name of ...
maxg, the stadia is not useless. I am glad they were built. At least we have them. It is the govt officials who are useless! Whoever is in power at the time.
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There are some valuable counter-points raised by Insider, input that under different circumstances would be beneficial to a ventilation of issues of importance to the footballing public. He is positioned to add to the discussion but sadly much of his energy (as has always been the case) has been spent pursuing obstructionist and contrarian purposes. There are no smoking guns in his contribution, just a series of sophisms and mischarecterizations, such as the following:
Twice he stated that Sancho was using the cabinet note to fund WPL even though he knew this wasn't true. What actually took place is that Creed told them that money was slow coming through from Finance so money that was received for the Gold Cup camp in Miami was being utilised for WPL until the money came through in two weeks time.
So if Tim Kee stated that money that was expressly earmarked for the Gold Cup preparations (and paying coaches salaries) was instead being used for the WPL... how is that contradicted by anything you say here? Even if they borrow the money with an intent to pay it back later, doesn't that confirm what Tim Kee is saying? Also, doesn't that strike you as inappropriate? Why is the WPL being prioritized over the Gold Cup preparation and paying of past-due salaries?
There are other such statements made by Insider which similarly don't stand up to scrutiny, but we'll be here all day if one were to go thru one by one addressing them... including the fact that he was in the identical position as Tim Kee and privy to just as much information. If Tim Kee was complicit as he insists, then Insider himself is no less complicit, if not more so, seeing that he kept silent and retained his position on the Executive Committee in return.
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Plenty allyuh real blind,nah, allyuh so bright, allyuh dotish..full circle everytime..If I had some literary skills or a proper brain to organize thought I would write a book "From Eric to Kamla".. Many of you have the skills, but just like our footballers, cyah use it when it matters
Anil and many others before him do a whole bunch ah monies in bobol thing that was not necessary but seem like good idea at the time, cause money flowing like oil, next set cyah find 100's of thousand dollars in backseat, in accounts, in foreign banks, in local banks, in foregn house and local houses, well doh even mention Jack, he in another league, though lower than the majority of the big boys..PPL talking bout Jack like he thief WE money, he thief FIFA money, we have ppl thiefing more of WE money from WE, robbing they own ppl blind. All we leaders lying & all we leaders robbing and thiefin. Governments and company build useless stadia at exhorbitant cost in the name of I don't know what, lunches, computers, deals, we rent boats, helicopters, and other craft , offices and everything else at double, triple whatever going rates are, we get a deal, we buying from Israel, New York, Canada, anywhere and anything foreign, cause it better and yuh have to pay for quality..we have ppl killing each other with imported guns, for imported substances, but can't arrest no importers..etc etc etc Years & Tears & Years , don't stop the party
and yet we have all kinda proof and personal observations that "Tim Kee is a con man" and "Sancho is ah imps". really ? Many have been so conned for years, they can't tell what's what or who's who, trust no one close..only those afar, unless they was once close.
yuh getting hot under the collar for a man who is ah waste of time and has done nothing for our football and has worked under a corrupt regime and stayed silent..
no one locally right now can run our football, they don't have the business acumen/honesty or organizational skills/intelligence to do justice to our national football... so i don't know where you going with that diatribe, like if everybody in the same boat and we should give every crook a chance..
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There are some valuable counter-points raised by Insider, input that under different circumstances would be beneficial to a ventilation of issues of importance to the footballing public. He is positioned to add to the discussion but sadly much of his energy (as has always been the case) has been spent pursuing obstructionist and contrarian purposes. There are no smoking guns in his contribution, just a series of sophisms and mischarecterizations, such as the following:
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So if Tim Kee stated that money that was expressly earmarked for the Gold Cup preparations (and paying coaches salaries) was instead being used for the WPL... how is that contradicted by anything you say here? Even if they borrow the money with an intent to pay it back later, doesn't that confirm what Tim Kee is saying? Also, doesn't that strike you as inappropriate? Why is the WPL being prioritized over the Gold Cup preparation and paying of past-due salaries?
There are other such statements made by Insider which similarly don't stand up to scrutiny, but we'll be here all day if one were to go thru one by one addressing them... including the fact that he was in the identical position as Tim Kee and privy to just as much information. If Tim Kee was complicit as he insists, then Insider himself is no less complicit, if not more so, seeing that he kept silent and retained his position on the Executive Committee in return.
Time is not of the essence. They deserve treatment. Doh gloss over nutten. Educate us.
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There are some valuable counter-points raised by Insider, input that under different circumstances would be beneficial to a ventilation of issues of importance to the footballing public. He is positioned to add to the discussion but sadly much of his energy (as has always been the case) has been spent pursuing obstructionist and contrarian purposes. There are no smoking guns in his contribution, just a series of sophisms and mischarecterizations, such as the following:
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So if Tim Kee stated that money that was expressly earmarked for the Gold Cup preparations (and paying coaches salaries) was instead being used for the WPL... how is that contradicted by anything you say here? Even if they borrow the money with an intent to pay it back later, doesn't that confirm what Tim Kee is saying? Also, doesn't that strike you as inappropriate? Why is the WPL being prioritized over the Gold Cup preparation and paying of past-due salaries?
There are other such statements made by Insider which similarly don't stand up to scrutiny, but we'll be here all day if one were to go thru one by one addressing them... including the fact that he was in the identical position as Tim Kee and privy to just as much information. If Tim Kee was complicit as he insists, then Insider himself is no less complicit, if not more so, seeing that he kept silent and retained his position on the Executive Committee in return.
Time is not of the essence. They deserve treatment. Doh gloss over nutten. Educate us.
i thought he was only allowed to divulge certain material but anything beyond that is off limits... :thinking:
i apologize seeker in advance, i may have just given him a reason to opt out...
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Plenty allyuh real blind,nah, allyuh so bright, allyuh dotish..full circle everytime..If I had some literary skills or a proper brain to organize thought I would write a book "From Eric to Kamla".. Many of you have the skills, but just like our footballers, cyah use it when it matters
Anil and many others before him do a whole bunch ah monies in bobol thing that was not necessary but seem like good idea at the time, cause money flowing like oil, next set cyah find 100's of thousand dollars in backseat, in accounts, in foreign banks, in local banks, in foregn house and local houses, well doh even mention Jack, he in another league, though lower than the majority of the big boys..PPL talking bout Jack like he thief WE money, he thief FIFA money, we have ppl thiefing more of WE money from WE, robbing they own ppl blind. All we leaders lying & all we leaders robbing and thiefin. Governments and company build useless stadia at exhorbitant cost in the name of I don't know what, lunches, computers, deals, we rent boats, helicopters, and other craft , offices and everything else at double, triple whatever going rates are, we get a deal, we buying from Israel, New York, Canada, anywhere and anything foreign, cause it better and yuh have to pay for quality..we have ppl killing each other with imported guns, for imported substances, but can't arrest no importers..etc etc etc Years & Tears & Years , don't stop the party
and yet we have all kinda proof and personal observations that "Tim Kee is a con man" and "Sancho is ah imps". really ? Many have been so conned for years, they can't tell what's what or who's who, trust no one close..only those afar, unless they was once close.
yuh getting hot under the collar for a man who is ah waste of time and has done nothing for our football and has worked under a corrupt regime and stayed silent..
no one locally right now can run our football, they don't have the business acumen/honesty or organizational skills/intelligence to do justice to our national football... so i don't know where you going with that diatribe, like if everybody in the same boat and we should give every crook a chance..
I rest my case :-\ :banginghead:
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Plenty allyuh real blind,nah, allyuh so bright, allyuh dotish..full circle everytime..If I had some literary skills or a proper brain to organize thought I would write a book "From Eric to Kamla".. Many of you have the skills, but just like our footballers, cyah use it when it matters
Anil and many others before him do a whole bunch ah monies in bobol thing that was not necessary but seem like good idea at the time, cause money flowing like oil, next set cyah find 100's of thousand dollars in backseat, in accounts, in foreign banks, in local banks, in foregn house and local houses, well doh even mention Jack, he in another league, though lower than the majority of the big boys..PPL talking bout Jack like he thief WE money, he thief FIFA money, we have ppl thiefing more of WE money from WE, robbing they own ppl blind. All we leaders lying & all we leaders robbing and thiefin. Governments and company build useless stadia at exhorbitant cost in the name of I don't know what, lunches, computers, deals, we rent boats, helicopters, and other craft , offices and everything else at double, triple whatever going rates are, we get a deal, we buying from Israel, New York, Canada, anywhere and anything foreign, cause it better and yuh have to pay for quality..we have ppl killing each other with imported guns, for imported substances, but can't arrest no importers..etc etc etc Years & Tears & Years , don't stop the party
and yet we have all kinda proof and personal observations that "Tim Kee is a con man" and "Sancho is ah imps". really ? Many have been so conned for years, they can't tell what's what or who's who, trust no one close..only those afar, unless they was once close.
yuh getting hot under the collar for a man who is ah waste of time and has done nothing for our football and has worked under a corrupt regime and stayed silent..
no one locally right now can run our football, they don't have the business acumen/honesty or organizational skills/intelligence to do justice to our national football... so i don't know where you going with that diatribe, like if everybody in the same boat and we should give every crook a chance..
I rest my case :-\ :banginghead:
no offense Max... but how can you rest your case when you didn't make a clear point to begin with.. :-\
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Time is not of the essence. They deserve treatment. Doh gloss over nutten. Educate us.
Flex, good interview and Tim Kee not telling all the truth.
The PAN AM team are suffering because of incompetence.
When I spoke to Sancho he said, yes, sometimes the money isn't released quickly, but again, that is people within the Ministry moving slowly on purpose.
Wallace asked for $23,000 for visas the week before the team left. Brent Sancho couldn't believe his ears and said "William, TTFA must have $23,000 for visas." Wallace said they only had $13,000 in the bank. Even if that was true, TTFA would know they needed visas months ago.
Very disingenuous response. Yes they would have known they needed money for visas, but they also needed to pay Hart and the Senior Men's Team coaches... since the money was held up by Sancho, most likely budgets had to be juggled obviously. More on this later.
The MOS paid out all of the cabinet note now, I believe, and still no accounts. Everybody has said they want accountability, yet when the MOS try to bring it, They're the bad guys?
The last bit of money was to be spent on the Gold Cup... tournament ent even start yet and already yuh calling for "accounts"... clear this comment's just intended to stir up shit for those who not really following closely.
Tim-Kee is still lying in the interview
This idea that since I was a member of the TTFF executive and VP during the Warner years I was somehow complicit in the inner dealings, nefarious or otherwise, of the then TTFF is simplistic at best.
You know that I saw lots of TTFF documents. I also had access to emails. There is proof that Tim-Kee knew about Warner's dodgy transactions back in 2008. This will come out eventually.
Tim Kee became a member of the TTFF in 2008 when he was asked to be the treasurer... assuming he saw evidence of "dodgy transactions"... he stated that he asked to see the TTFF's books and was stonewalled by Warner and his cronies. I'm not sure what this really adds to the conversation. Not only that, but given Insider's position on the ExCo, if he saw these emails it would have been contemporaneous or fairly close to the occurrences, yet he's kept quiet... until now. He's so busy pointing fingers at Tim Kee, alleging improprieties... apparently oblivious to the four fingers pointing back at himself.
In minutes of the Executive Committee meetings after my resignation. When I felt information was being withheld, I resigned and focused my attention on developing Futsal.
I have an email from Warner to Tim-Kee where Warner tells him he is fired and being replaced.
I'm trying to figure out why it matters whether Tim Kee was fired or whether he resigned. Of course, seeing that members of the ExCo are elected, it would be impossible for Warner to 'fire' Tim Kee... he'd have to be removed by the other ExCo members. Again, Insider would know this, but he's too busy trying to paint Tim Kee as a liar.
I have been a financial benefactor to football for many years. Because of the extent of my financial contributions.
Yet last week he couldn't advance TTFA $10k for visas, but watched as our country was embarrassed?
Maybe, but likely the better choice... the last thing we need is another Jack Warner situation where the TTFA President getting paid from the FA's budget because he claims he's owed money for private loans he made.
Holding secrets? I was never one of those with whom secrets were shared. That is baseless idle chatter.
He knew that Warner was funneling money into the LOC06 account which was where the money was laundered. I have seen proof of this!
Assuming this is true and I have to say "assuming" because again, if Tim Kee only joined the organization in 2008... two years after the 2006 WC, how could he possibly see money "funneling" (implying it was happening contemporaneous to Tim Kee witnessing it) into the LOC 06 account? Was money still pouring into the account two years after the World Cup was over? Again, yet you remained silent about it for over three years.
Why can’t your company help be a sponsor of the TTFA?
His whole answer here was fluff and bs. How hard would it be for him to ask Guardian Life for a policy? And Bankers don't even sell that kind of policy but they did for the team.
Nitpicky nonsense.
I join other sporting organizations in saying that the current Ministry is not serving sports a we expected. How do we justify injecting millions of US $ into CPL that is privately owned by foreigners.
He's careful here not to say Sancho, because he knows the CPL deal was done by Griffith, so instead, he infers it was Sancho.
The larger point isn't who did what when... but rather why the disparity at all, let alone such a glaring disparity. How could the MoS complain about sporting bodies being dependent on the Ministry for support, whiley at the same time investing $13 million into a sport which probably needs it less, and which arguably is secondary in terms of national support.
I had a good relationship with the past ministers of sport and have had conflicts with the current minister only because I felt promises made by the Prime Minister to the senior team were being undermined and ignored.
So why was there arrears on salaries dating back from 2012? Why did Griffith put in the clause about accounts? Truth is, neither Anil or Griffith trusted TTFA.
Griffith didn't put in any clause about accounts... Cabinet did, and rightly so. If public funds are going to be spent then there needs to be public accountability, this doesn't necessarily reflect poorly on the TTFA, it should be standard. If they didn't trust the TTFA then that's fair... there should be no blind "trust" where public money is concerned.
Yes, at this point I have been focused on getting the TTFA a new constitution.
Did you know that TTFA sent out an email on Sunday night containing the new draft constitution for review before a meeting to invoke it? Problem is, the meeting was Monday night at 5pm. The MOS received there's from Pro League around 9 a.m. on Monday. People in Pro League and Super League went berserk. That afternoon, TTFA agreed to move the meeting to mid July.
This is accurate as I know it, and I agree that the timing of the notice (though completely valid and in accord with the FA's bylaws) was problematic. If anything it underscores the need for constitutional reform.. in so many little areas. The right call was made to re-schedule the meeting to ratify the new constitution, that way the moaners and obstructionists won't have anything to bitch about after the fact. The new vote is scheduled for next week... hopefully Insider could report back to us himself with the good news.
We actively pursued the government for months on the matter of player and coaches arrears.
TFA agreed salary's that they couldn't afford. They are still agreeing salary's and match fees that they cannot afford. The TT$800,000 they received from MoS for U23's could have funded the upcoming U17's and Women's U20 campaigns. They are not managing funds sensibly.
I'm not really in position to comment on this... but maybe it would have been better served to explain why the budget was inflated or how the money on the U-23 was being misspent. Even better... were any of these concerns shared internally?
Since then, the recent minister has made statements to indicate that he doesn’t intend to follow through on the Prime Minister’s promise.
Completely untrue. If this was a live interview I'm sure you guys would have called Tim-Kee on this. Yet nobody on sw.net has even mentioned this.
It's a matter of interpretation... Kamla told the players and coaches they would have nothing to worry about... that proved to be untrue, thanks to her Minister of Sports who held up the payments. Sancho indicated that no payments would be made until his terms were satisfied... contrary to the promise made.
It is unsettling to the players and staff to go into competition under such uncertain circumstances when an agreement was established between the TTFA and the government last November. I’m not being “political” when these issues are raised as the minister claims, I am merely speaking the truth.
Actually, you are being political and you are a liar! Twice he stated that Sancho was using the cabinet note to fund WPL even though he knew this wasn't true. What actually took place is that Creed told them that money was slow coming through from Finance so money that was received for the Gold Cup camp in Miami was being utilised for WPL until the money came through in two weeks time. This was in April and in no way compromised TTFA or the Gold Cup preparation. This is an often used practice and is sound financial management. Tim-Kee chose to mislead people to serve his own political purpose.
Taking funds earmarked for one project and spending it on another project is the antithesis of "sound financial management" and is illustrative of how you and the rest of the holdovers approach fiscal management. If there was an independent auditor... or even a comptroller in the MoS they would have prevented this from happening. It's particularly egregious seeing that this budgetary item (the WPL) arose out of the blue in March... 4-5 months after the Gold Cup budget was approved. So you as Minister hold up the payments to the TTFA, in the name of "transparency and accountability"... while you spending the money on your pet project. Next thing you know the TTFA are back where they were last November with coaches and players going into a tournament being owed money... forcing them to take money from elsewhere in the budget just to pay salaries. But the preparation for the tournament wasn't affected in any way. Okay.
By the way, the "worst minister" quote came about because MOS saying TTFA were paying too much in stipends and match fees which Brent agreed with. MOS was in favour of players earning as much as they can, but TTFA should not be agreeing such large fees when they can't pay them. Someone in the MOS said they have another 9 teams to look after and should be more financially frugal. Tim-Kee said that if they cut stipends and match fees, players would call him the worst sports minister ever.
It is absolutely incorrect to say our U-23 players will be receiving $20K per month.
Want me to show you the budget they submitted? The revised budget requested US$750 match fees for olympics and US$1,000 for Pan Am. Remember, they expected 3 games in each. If a player played all 6 games thats US$5,250 or TT$33,600. or TT$16,800 p.m. The initial budget included stipends which took them to over TT$40,000 for the two month period. So Tim-Kee just lied to you "to your face Flex." Nathanial Garcia for example earns TT$4,500 per month. Add that to the TTFA money and he's on over $21k per month without stipends!! By the way, staff including coaches are also paid match fees at the same amount.
If you read again, that was the initial budget that was submitted. The question was how much would the players be paid, whether $20k per month. The response was:
...soon after the U-23 budget was submitted we came to an agreement with the ministry to eliminate stipends; partly in recognition of the increased challenges created by cuts to ministry budgets.
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We feel the resources and funds used by SPORTT for the WPL would have been better utilized by applying it towards a proper series of international camps and matches for the U20 and senior teams in preparation for their upcoming tournaments.
So why didn't TTFA use their $5 million subvention for this then? Or their FIFA grant? Or their grants from CONCACAF?
Not really in a position to address this, but the WPL was not a priority, not with the Sr. Men's and U-23 boys, and the younger women programs also needing immediate funding. There's only so much money to go around, and why the Ministry saw fit to intervene, let alone do an end-around the TTFA to create this tournament (it's not a 'league') is anyone's guess.
Having said that, I was a bit concerned to see our senior team defeat the WPL XI 9-2
The foreign girls had only landed the day before, didn't know each other, didn't know the coaches and half don't speak English. This week, T&T beat the foreigners 2-1. Every girl on the WNT and the coaches think WPL is better than a`n overseas friendly.
I wished you could have asked him if the current squad and U23's had this done:
A sponsorship worth over $3 million dollars that enables all national team players and technical staff to get free physicals when they come into camp.
And it was a Central F.C. initiative which he has never acknowledged.
Who cares where he got the idea from... the point is he was able to secure sponsorship. If he didn't and offered the excuse that it was Central's idea first he'd be stoned outside the H.C. stadium.
Keep in mind that all our records...our filing cabinets and all our computers were seized from the TTFF office by the present minister and his 2006 team.
Another often repeated lie. Remember, everyone was there that day and although some computers were taken, the 06 Warriors were told they couldn't take all because they held the financial records and the bailiff said they had to remain. No filing cabinets were removed. You will also recall that Sancho, Harrison and George Hislop went back the next day to copy financial records and did a forensic audit and Mike Townley sent this to the FBI. They still have some of those copies. If the records are missing it happened after we were there.
This is no lie... Sancho didn't deny it when they took the KPMG rep with them to explain the situation. Stop engaging in bullshit and come better than that.
Note I have two attachments that LOC2006 had two bank accounts and were being used up to 2009. This is the account suspected by the FBI of being used to launder money. This information was shared with FBI. I can't swear that FBI based some of their case on this info, but why would they obtain the bank statements if the guys already provided copies? At the least they know where to look.
Not sure what this last item is in reference to... but again, he was Treasurer from 2008-2009. He said he resigned as Treasurer after a year because he was being frustrated in accomplishing his duties. He didn't deny that there was shady shit going on, they just wouldn't allow him access to the books. Seems a scattershot attempt to paint him as being complicit. More helpful to the discussion of whether he is lying would be proof that he did in fact have access to the books and turned a blind eye... or maybe proof that he was cozy with Jack, contrary to what he said. I would think another ExCo member should readily be able to attest to this. The fact that you haven't proves that your cupboard is bare and perhaps says a bit more about your motives.
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Flex,
first of all thanks for this effort.
Don't take one anyone complaining about email interviews, it's better than no interview at all, unless they want to do it for you.
Tim Kee seems to regained some credibility from this interview. I assume he is not mad enough to lie about certain things that can be easily disproved in public.
What bothers me is that's TK recently admitted via the Press that JW used football money to fund the UNC party. If this is true and I am no lawyer - is this not a chargeable offence and that fact that TK and others in the TTFA knew about it and kept it to themselves should make them culpable as well.
What else does this man know about and not tell us.
The TTFA during the Warner years had no credibility with the public or corporate TT as they were considered buffoons answerable to JW. No one with sense would be attracted to such an organisation. When JW stepped aside (which was really a mamaguy move) the companies stayed away because they knew that Warner was pulling Camps' strings.
However, post Warner the FA's PR and Communications dept. should understand that if they are to rebrand the FA as an attractive entity that people must believe in them and what they are doing. It continues to befuddle me why TK waited so long to clear the air on basic issues.
VB
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What bothers me is that's TK recently admitted via the Press that JW used football money to fund the UNC party.
That actually isn't what he said.
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What bothers me is that's TK recently admitted via the Press that JW used football money to fund the UNC party.
That actually isn't what he said.
He said he used money from the TTFA accounts. He has never publicly denied the quote the following excerpt from the TT Guardian:
Tim Kee also assured that he knew for a fact that Warner took money from the TTFF which went straight to the UNC.
“The man took our money and gave it to politics,” he said.
He also acknowledged that JW funded a UNC dinner with TTF money.
VB
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He said he used money from the TTFA accounts. He has never publicly denied the quote the following excerpt from the TT Guardian:
Tim Kee also assured that he knew for a fact that Warner took money from the TTFF which went straight to the UNC.
“The man took our money and gave it to politics,” he said.
He also acknowledged that JW funded a UNC dinner with TTF money.
VB
This is the "full" quote:
But speaking exclusively to the T&T Guardian yesterday, Tim Kee said he knew for a fact that former Warner used his own money to fund at least one UNC event which he (Tim Kee) had knowledge of.
Tim Kee was referring to an invoice he allegedly received from a popular hotel and conference centre in Port-of-Spain which had billed the TTFA for a “UNC Banquet Dinner.”
Although initially admitting to not really wanting to let the “cat-out-of-the-bag,” Tim Kee said, “I don’t want to make it an issue yet. I have to find the document first.”
He added, “I know of this because with the invoice were some notes which indicated the items.”
Tim Kee also assured that he knew for a fact that Warner took money from the TTFF which went straight to the UNC.
“The man took our money and gave it to politics,” he said.
Tim Kee said Warner was committed to the UNC cause in 2010.
This is the problem you run into when you start mixing personal and business funds... Jack was obviously paying for things on behalf of the TTFF, then using the TTFF as a bank whenever it suited him. As to the question of whether this was a "chargeable offense," the answer would be "no"... since Jack was paying money into the TTFF as well. If he was not, and just paying for personal expenses through the TTFF accounts then he could be charged (but more likely sued) for embezzlement. As it is it was poor fiscal management, but not a crime.
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He said he used money from the TTFA accounts. He has never publicly denied the quote the following excerpt from the TT Guardian:
Tim Kee also assured that he knew for a fact that Warner took money from the TTFF which went straight to the UNC.
“The man took our money and gave it to politics,” he said.
He also acknowledged that JW funded a UNC dinner with TTF money.
VB
This is the "full" quote:
But speaking exclusively to the T&T Guardian yesterday, Tim Kee said he knew for a fact that former Warner used his own money to fund at least one UNC event which he (Tim Kee) had knowledge of.
Tim Kee was referring to an invoice he allegedly received from a popular hotel and conference centre in Port-of-Spain which had billed the TTFA for a “UNC Banquet Dinner.”
Although initially admitting to not really wanting to let the “cat-out-of-the-bag,” Tim Kee said, “I don’t want to make it an issue yet. I have to find the document first.”
He added, “I know of this because with the invoice were some notes which indicated the items.”
Tim Kee also assured that he knew for a fact that Warner took money from the TTFF which went straight to the UNC.
“The man took our money and gave it to politics,” he said.
Tim Kee said Warner was committed to the UNC cause in 2010.
This is the problem you run into when you start mixing personal and business funds... Jack was obviously paying for things on behalf of the TTFF, then using the TTFF as a bank whenever it suited him. As to the question of whether this was a "chargeable offense," the answer would be "no"... since Jack was paying money into the TTFF as well. If he was not, and just paying for personal expenses through the TTFF accounts then he could be charged (but more likely sued) for embezzlement. As it is it was poor fiscal management, but not a crime.
Thanks, that explanation will save me asking that question in the future.
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He said he used money from the TTFA accounts. He has never publicly denied the quote the following excerpt from the TT Guardian:
Tim Kee also assured that he knew for a fact that Warner took money from the TTFF which went straight to the UNC.
“The man took our money and gave it to politics,” he said.
He also acknowledged that JW funded a UNC dinner with TTF money.
VB
This is the "full" quote:
But speaking exclusively to the T&T Guardian yesterday, Tim Kee said he knew for a fact that former Warner used his own money to fund at least one UNC event which he (Tim Kee) had knowledge of.
Tim Kee was referring to an invoice he allegedly received from a popular hotel and conference centre in Port-of-Spain which had billed the TTFA for a “UNC Banquet Dinner.”
Although initially admitting to not really wanting to let the “cat-out-of-the-bag,” Tim Kee said, “I don’t want to make it an issue yet. I have to find the document first.”
He added, “I know of this because with the invoice were some notes which indicated the items.”
Tim Kee also assured that he knew for a fact that Warner took money from the TTFF which went straight to the UNC.
“The man took our money and gave it to politics,” he said.
Tim Kee said Warner was committed to the UNC cause in 2010.
This is the problem you run into when you start mixing personal and business funds... Jack was obviously paying for things on behalf of the TTFF, then using the TTFF as a bank whenever it suited him. As to the question of whether this was a "chargeable offense," the answer would be "no"... since Jack was paying money into the TTFF as well. If he was not, and just paying for personal expenses through the TTFF accounts then he could be charged (but more likely sued) for embezzlement. As it is it was poor fiscal management, but not a crime.
Without wanting to contradict or argue a point of law with you, isn't this also a classic money laundering scenario? As you pointed out, it may have been innocent, but on the other hand it could have been a devious way of layering funds through multiple accounts. No one may ever know which it was, but if there is any suspicion of money laundering isn't it the duty of an officer of a company to report this. (Not, according to the recent FIU report, that anybody would have investigated it!)
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FS, who was going to report Jack laundering money when Jack was protected by being both a FIFA official and MP for UNC at the time. Is Jack who hanged himself with the CFU meeting in POS, where the entire world saw and heard him on video telling members what they should, or should not do with the money in the paper bags.
Being a whistleblower anywhere in the world is like wanting to be committed to the madhouse. An exercise in futility. You can even lose your live in TT for "snitching".
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FS, who was going to report Jack laundering money when Jack was protected by being both a FIFA official and MP for UNC at the time. Is Jack who hanged himself with the CFU meeting in POS, where the entire world saw and heard him on video telling members what they should, or should not do with the money in the paper bags.
Being a whistleblower anywhere in the world is like wanting to be committed to the madhouse. An exercise in futility. You can even lose your live in TT for "snitching".
I agree. And what's the point anyway? I think FIU said they had 400 suspicious transactions they reported to the Police, Customs, Integrity Commission etc and never had feedback on one of them. While they referred 4 (I think) cases overseas and they received feedback on all, one of which led to a conviction.
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FS, who was going to report Jack laundering money when Jack was protected by being both a FIFA official and MP for UNC at the time. Is Jack who hanged himself with the CFU meeting in POS, where the entire world saw and heard him on video telling members what they should, or should not do with the money in the paper bags.
Being a whistleblower anywhere in the world is like wanting to be committed to the madhouse. An exercise in futility. You can even lose your live in TT for "snitching".
I agree. And what's the point anyway? I think FIU said they had 400 suspicious transactions they reported to the Police, Customs, Integrity Commission etc and never had feedback on one of them. While they referred 4 (I think) cases overseas and they received feedback on all, one of which led to a conviction.
Well out of 400 and not one feedback from the Police C,I,C. You mean to say the FIU wasting tax payers money or the Police CIC eh know what they doing? Or if they do find something, it is shut down from higher ups, because of who may be involved ?
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Without wanting to contradict or argue a point of law with you, isn't this also a classic money laundering scenario? As you pointed out, it may have been innocent, but on the other hand it could have been a devious way of layering funds through multiple accounts. No one may ever know which it was, but if there is any suspicion of money laundering isn't it the duty of an officer of a company to report this. (Not, according to the recent FIU report, that anybody would have investigated it!)
The only duty an officer has is to the organization he serves... he owes no larger 'duty' to the public at-large. The only duties owed to the organization are:
1) Duty of Loyalty (primarily a prohibition against self-dealing).
2) Obligation to employ his/her best business judgment in any decisions.
Even if an officer knows of criminal conduct on the part of someone in the organization, there is no legal responsibility to report the criminal conduct. One could argue that there is a moral, and larger "corporate" responsibility... in that the criminal activity could impact the organization, so the officer should act in the best interest of the organization to disclose the criminal conduct. But aside from that there is no legal responsibility to say anything, any more than there is a "legal responsibility" on the part of a the average John Q. Public to report a crime if he sees one being committed.
All of this becomes relevant of course, only against a backdrop of Tim Kee knowing that Jack was engaged in laundering funds thru the TTFF. I'm not sure anybody could realistically make that claim.
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Without wanting to contradict or argue a point of law with you, isn't this also a classic money laundering scenario? As you pointed out, it may have been innocent, but on the other hand it could have been a devious way of layering funds through multiple accounts. No one may ever know which it was, but if there is any suspicion of money laundering isn't it the duty of an officer of a company to report this. (Not, according to the recent FIU report, that anybody would have investigated it!)
The only duty an officer has is to the organization he serves... he owes no larger 'duty' to the public at-large. The only duties owed to the organization are:
1) Duty of Loyalty (primarily a prohibition against self-dealing).
2) Obligation to employ his/her best business judgment in any decisions.
Even if an officer knows of criminal conduct on the part of someone in the organization, there is no legal responsibility to report the criminal conduct. One could argue that there is a moral, and larger "corporate" responsibility... in that the criminal activity could impact the organization, so the officer should act in the best interest of the organization to disclose the criminal conduct. But aside from that there is no legal responsibility to say anything, any more than there is a "legal responsibility" on the part of a the average John Q. Public to report a crime if he sees one being committed.
All of this becomes relevant of course, only against a backdrop of Tim Kee knowing that Jack was engaged in laundering funds thru the TTFF. I'm not sure anybody could realistically make that claim.
This is from FIU but I believe it only applies to financial institutions
Failure to disclose knowledge/suspicion of Money Laundering 250 K. and 3 yrs. imprisonment
Failure to report complex, unusual large transactions to the FIU 500 K. and 2 yrs. Imprisonment on summary conviction; 3 Mill. & 7 yrs.
Imprisonment on indictment
Failure to make a suspicious transaction or suspicious activity report to the FIU 500 K. and 2 yrs. imprisonment on summary conviction; 3 Mill. & 7 yrs. Imprisonment on indictment
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Yes, those are globally-adopted statutory duties imposed on financial institutions, pursuant to AML laws.
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Yes, those are globally-adopted statutory duties imposed on financial institutions, pursuant to AML laws.
financial institutions are legally responsible in making sure proper checks occur when clients/corporations make deposits and transfer money/financial instruments internationally and domestically.. in order to adhere to AML laws... which became even more stringent post 9/11... if Tim Kee was treasurer at that time, depending on the laws of T&T in this regard he can also be implicated in regards to the AML laws that are stipulated...
in the case of Tim Kee, I am unaware of whether he can be made an accessory to the crime itself in T&T, i will have to double check on that. However, it is more a matter of moral obligation, than legal obligation as the TTFA constitution doesn't outline corruption and criminal practices that occur within the fed and how that should be dealt with... so Tim Kee gets a bligh in that regard but not when it comes to moral obligation and whether we should trust him with our national football...
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Thanks, that explanation will save me asking that question in the future.
:beermug:
Yes, those are globally-adopted statutory duties imposed on financial institutions, pursuant to AML laws.
financial institutions are legally responsible in making sure proper checks occur when clients/corporations make deposits and transfer money/financial instruments internationally and domestically.. in order to adhere to AML laws... which became even more stringent post 9/11... if Tim Kee was treasurer at that time, depending on the laws of T&T in this regard he can also be implicated in regards to the AML laws that are stipulated...
in the case of Tim Kee, I am unaware of whether he can be made an accessory to the crime itself in T&T, i will have to double check on that. However, it is more a matter of moral obligation, than legal obligation as the TTFA constitution doesn't outline corruption and criminal practices that occur within the fed and how that should be dealt with... so Tim Kee gets a bligh in that regard but not when it comes to moral obligation and whether we should trust him with our national football...
No.
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Thanks, that explanation will save me asking that question in the future.
:beermug:
Yes, those are globally-adopted statutory duties imposed on financial institutions, pursuant to AML laws.
financial institutions are legally responsible in making sure proper checks occur when clients/corporations make deposits and transfer money/financial instruments internationally and domestically.. in order to adhere to AML laws... which became even more stringent post 9/11... if Tim Kee was treasurer at that time, depending on the laws of T&T in this regard he can also be implicated in regards to the AML laws that are stipulated...
in the case of Tim Kee, I am unaware of whether he can be made an accessory to the crime itself in T&T, i will have to double check on that. However, it is more a matter of moral obligation, than legal obligation as the TTFA constitution doesn't outline corruption and criminal practices that occur within the fed and how that should be dealt with... so Tim Kee gets a bligh in that regard but not when it comes to moral obligation and whether we should trust him with our national football...
No.
no what???
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no what???
No to everything you typed. Short of having engaged in money-laundering himself Tim Kee cannot be implicated under AML laws. The reporting requirements apply only to financial institutions, so even IF he knew that Jack was laundering money he could not be charged with a crime.
This applies to your second paragraph as well, he cannot be made accessory to the crime. In fact, Trinidad has not even alleged that there was any crime committed by Jack... so without an allegation of a crime, how could Tim Kee even be made accessory? The US are the ones alleging criminal conduct and Tim Kee's name wasn't called. Until someone else is charged by TnT authorities Tim Kee cannot be implicated as accessory. The rest aobut 'moral' obligation is all hypothetical, since there is no evidence that Tim Kee knew Jack was laundering money. He cannot have a 'moral obligation' to report something he has no knowledge of.
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no what???
No to everything you typed. Short of having engaged in money-laundering himself Tim Kee cannot be implicated under AML laws. The reporting requirements apply only to financial institutions, so even IF he knew that Jack was laundering money he could not be charged with a crime.
This applies to your second paragraph as well, he cannot be made accessory to the crime. In fact, Trinidad has not even alleged that there was any crime committed by Jack... so without an allegation of a crime, how could Tim Kee even be made accessory? The US are the ones alleging criminal conduct and Tim Kee's name wasn't called. Until someone else is charged by TnT authorities Tim Kee cannot be implicated as accessory. The rest aobut 'moral' obligation is all hypothetical, since there is no evidence that Tim Kee knew Jack was laundering money. He cannot have a 'moral obligation' to report something he has no knowledge of.
I never mentioned mandatory reporting by Tim Kee, he is not mandated to do that in the TTFA constitution. Re-read and comprehend first before you jump to assuming things that were never said.
AML laws affect the clients that are involved in nefarious activities and are discovered by banks through investigation with the proper authorities. I know this because I worked many years in the top financial institution and was trained in the system. It may be different in TT, which is something they need to work on if it is not present.
This may be the case for TT but not Canada for instance, where association and knowledge of such activities can also place you in harms way with the authorities and can implicate you in such activities.
As for now we don't know the full details of Tim Kees involvement with the previous admin. If the TTFA are taking the right measures in the redrafting of the constitution they will include these regulations to keep any member of the fed in check. Tim Kee is probably making sure any form of fiduciary duty is not included..
Furthermore, employees of corporations that don't follow the proper procedures and protocol stand the risk of losing their job. The standard is low in TT and Tim Kee and his ilk are exploiting the faulty system that doesn't punish irresponsibility and corruption. Especially since the old TTFA constitution also neglects certain responsibilities which leaves plenty leeway for corruption.
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If the TTFA are taking the right measures in the redrafting of the constitution they will include these regulations to keep any member of the fed in check.
Can't see any mention of this in the draft.
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If the TTFA are taking the right measures in the redrafting of the constitution they will include these regulations to keep any member of the fed in check.
Can't see any mention of this in the draft.
Which is why they are remaining silent about the redrafting and its contents... They are crafting it so there is loopholes and Tim Kee can get away scotch free with any underhanded activities he partakes in... The absence of the regulations I spoke of means they are business as usual like before... accountability and transparency is still absent if you are telling me it is not present.
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If the TTFA are taking the right measures in the redrafting of the constitution they will include these regulations to keep any member of the fed in check.
Can't see any mention of this in the draft.
Which is why they are remaining silent about the redrafting and its contents... They are crafting it so there is loopholes and Tim Kee can get away scotch free with any underhanded activities he partakes in... The absence of the regulations I spoke of means they are business as usual like before... accountability and transparency is still absent if you are telling me it is not present.
I think FIFA had a lot of input in the draft. Certainly the proposed voting structure is improved.
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If the TTFA are taking the right measures in the redrafting of the constitution they will include these regulations to keep any member of the fed in check.
Can't see any mention of this in the draft.
Which is why they are remaining silent about the redrafting and its contents... They are crafting it so there is loopholes and Tim Kee can get away scotch free with any underhanded activities he partakes in... The absence of the regulations I spoke of means they are business as usual like before... accountability and transparency is still absent if you are telling me it is not present.
I think FIFA had a lot of input in the draft. Certainly the proposed voting structure is improved.
Good to hear but other regulations need to be implemented to avoid any further damage..
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This is a perfect reminder why I told myself I'm not going to waste time responding to you anymore.
I never mentioned mandatory reporting by Tim Kee, he is not mandated to do that in the TTFA constitution. Re-read and comprehend first before you jump to assuming things that were never said.
It's hard to take you seriously when you try to attack my comprehension when your own is so evidently compromised.Do you understand the meaning of the word "obligation"?
However, it is more a matter of moral obligation... so Tim Kee gets a bligh in that regard but not when it comes to moral obligation and whether we should trust him with our national football...
If he doesn't know about any wrongdoing then he doesn't have any moral obligation to do anything. [/color]
AML laws affect the clients that are involved in nefarious activities and are discovered by banks through investigation with the proper authorities. I know this because I worked many years in the top financial institution and was trained in the system. It may be different in TT, which is something they need to work on if it is not present.
It is plainly evident here that you're just mouthing a bunch of words completely devoid of actual meaning. Then offer the self-validating "I used to work...". Of course. ::)
This may be the case for TT but not Canada for instance, where association and knowledge of such activities can also place you in harms way with the authorities and can implicate you in such activities.
Nonsense. It's not true of AML laws anywhere. Post the Canadian statute which states this. We'll wait.
As for now we don't know the full details of Tim Kees involvement with the previous admin. If the TTFA are taking the right measures in the redrafting of the constitution they will include these regulations to keep any member of the fed in check. Tim Kee is probably making sure any form of fiduciary duty is not included..
We have a pretty good idea as to his involvement, but it requires common sense, to connect the dots between a person being brought in as Treasurer, resigning the role within a year, and being forced out within two years. By any reasonable measure that's not long enough to gain the confidence of a Jack Warner that he would open up and tell you about his criminal activities. But we aren't really interested in 'reasonable' conversation here.
Furthermore, employees of corporations that don't follow the proper procedures and protocol stand the risk of losing their job. The standard is low in TT and Tim Kee and his ilk are exploiting the faulty system that doesn't punish irresponsibility and corruption. Especially since the old TTFA constitution also neglects certain responsibilities which leaves plenty leeway for corruption.
You know nothing of which you speak... this much is clear.
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If the TTFA are taking the right measures in the redrafting of the constitution they will include these regulations to keep any member of the fed in check.
Can't see any mention of this in the draft.
There are adequate protections built into the proposed constitution, not the least of which being an auditor who does not report to the President and who functions independently of the hierarchy of the TTFA, and a separate audit committee. In addition to which there is also an Ethics Committee that will oversee officer/employee conduct.
Which is why they are remaining silent about the redrafting and its contents... They are crafting it so there is loopholes and Tim Kee can get away scotch free with any underhanded activities he partakes in... The absence of the regulations I spoke of means they are business as usual like before... accountability and transparency is still absent if you are telling me it is not present.
It is clear you just talking shit... I'm just going to ignore you from this point on.
I think FIFA had a lot of input in the draft. Certainly the proposed voting structure is improved.
FIFA had a great deal moe than "a lot of input", FIFA is the one mandating that every country's Statutes be brought into compliance with FIFA's own revised statutes. FIFA's statutes is the model on which every other country's Articles are re-made (see the embedded video from 2:30 on). This has been stated several times here on this site, this isn't some arbitrary process being carried out under cover of night. Primo Corvaro was in TnT working closely with the Independent Reform Commission in October, and was here working thru the weekend again last weekend.
https://www.youtube.com/v/6yKKZO9IIr8
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This is a perfect reminder why I told myself I'm not going to waste time responding to you anymore.
I never mentioned mandatory reporting by Tim Kee, he is not mandated to do that in the TTFA constitution. Re-read and comprehend first before you jump to assuming things that were never said.
It's hard to take you seriously when you try to attack my comprehension when your own is so evidently compromised.Do you understand the meaning of the word "obligation"?
However, it is more a matter of moral obligation... so Tim Kee gets a bligh in that regard but not when it comes to moral obligation and whether we should trust him with our national football...
If he doesn't know about any wrongdoing then he doesn't have any moral obligation to do anything. [/color]
AML laws affect the clients that are involved in nefarious activities and are discovered by banks through investigation with the proper authorities. I know this because I worked many years in the top financial institution and was trained in the system. It may be different in TT, which is something they need to work on if it is not present.
It is plainly evident here that you're just mouthing a bunch of words completely devoid of actual meaning. Then offer the self-validating "I used to work...". Of course. ::)
This may be the case for TT but not Canada for instance, where association and knowledge of such activities can also place you in harms way with the authorities and can implicate you in such activities.
Nonsense. It's not true of AML laws anywhere. Post the Canadian statute which states this. We'll wait.
As for now we don't know the full details of Tim Kees involvement with the previous admin. If the TTFA are taking the right measures in the redrafting of the constitution they will include these regulations to keep any member of the fed in check. Tim Kee is probably making sure any form of fiduciary duty is not included..
We have a pretty good idea as to his involvement, but it requires common sense, to connect the dots between a person being brought in as Treasurer, resigning the role within a year, and being forced out within two years. By any reasonable measure that's not long enough to gain the confidence of a Jack Warner that he would open up and tell you about his criminal activities. But we aren't really interested in 'reasonable' conversation here.
Furthermore, employees of corporations that don't follow the proper procedures and protocol stand the risk of losing their job. The standard is low in TT and Tim Kee and his ilk are exploiting the faulty system that doesn't punish irresponsibility and corruption. Especially since the old TTFA constitution also neglects certain responsibilities which leaves plenty leeway for corruption.
You know nothing of which you speak... this much is clear.
You ever read the constitution or have you ever worked for a financial institution?
Listen small man, you're taking baby steps in the politics of our nation, word of advice, be careful how you tread.... Because you are out of your depth..
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This thread has descended into the depths of absurdity
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If the TTFA are taking the right measures in the redrafting of the constitution they will include these regulations to keep any member of the fed in check.
Can't see any mention of this in the draft.
There are adequate protections built into the proposed constitution, not the least of which being an auditor who does not report to the President and who functions independently of the hierarchy of the TTFA, and a separate audit committee. In addition to which there is also an Ethics Committee that will oversee officer/employee conduct.
Which is why they are remaining silent about the redrafting and its contents... They are crafting it so there is loopholes and Tim Kee can get away scotch free with any underhanded activities he partakes in... The absence of the regulations I spoke of means they are business as usual like before... accountability and transparency is still absent if you are telling me it is not present.
It is clear you just talking shit... I'm just going to ignore you from this point on.
I think FIFA had a lot of input in the draft. Certainly the proposed voting structure is improved.
FIFA had a great deal moe than "a lot of input", FIFA is the one mandating that every country's Statutes be brought into compliance with FIFA's own revised statutes. FIFA's statutes is the model on which every other country's Articles are re-made (see the embedded video from 2:30 on). This has been stated several times here on this site, this isn't some arbitrary process being carried out under cover of night. Primo Corvaro was in TnT working closely with the Independent Reform Commission in October, and was here working thru the weekend again last weekend.
https://www.youtube.com/v/6yKKZO9IIr8
Ignore me?
Ignoramus no one cares what you say or do, you are puppet in a very deadly game... Answer a simple question since you pretend to be in the know.. What are the differences from the old constitution to the new draft?
Furthermore, outline the measures in the new draft that address what FS and me were discussing, now...
I knew you were insecure and an attention seeker but it didn't realize it was this bad...
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This thread has descended into the depths of absurdity
Tell that to your pad nah half baked... He doesn't know from his ass to his elbow about AML laws and how it affects financial corporations..
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If the TTFA are taking the right measures in the redrafting of the constitution they will include these regulations to keep any member of the fed in check.
Can't see any mention of this in the draft.
There are adequate protections built into the proposed constitution, not the least of which being an auditor who does not report to the President and who functions independently of the hierarchy of the TTFA, and a separate audit committee. In addition to which there is also an Ethics Committee that will oversee officer/employee conduct.
Which is why they are remaining silent about the redrafting and its contents... They are crafting it so there is loopholes and Tim Kee can get away scotch free with any underhanded activities he partakes in... The absence of the regulations I spoke of means they are business as usual like before... accountability and transparency is still absent if you are telling me it is not present.
It is clear you just talking shit... I'm just going to ignore you from this point on.
I think FIFA had a lot of input in the draft. Certainly the proposed voting structure is improved.
FIFA had a great deal moe than "a lot of input", FIFA is the one mandating that every country's Statutes be brought into compliance with FIFA's own revised statutes. FIFA's statutes is the model on which every other country's Articles are re-made (see the embedded video from 2:30 on). This has been stated several times here on this site, this isn't some arbitrary process being carried out under cover of night. Primo Corvaro was in TnT working closely with the Independent Reform Commission in October, and was here working thru the weekend again last weekend.
https://www.youtube.com/v/6yKKZO9IIr8
I have nothing to prove to a fool.. Especially a puppet...
If you think one year or two years is not enough to execute unscrupulous dealings, then you are more naive than I ever thought... Even if I show you a bank mandate with the responsibilities of employees and the laws that govern them, what exactly will that prove to a naive poster like yourself... Absolutely nothing because you are a egomaniac that thrives on attention..
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Tim Kee mum.
By Sean Taylor (Express).
President of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) Raymond Tim Kee, doesn't want to respond to comments made on Monday that the TTFA has been unethical in their proceedings concerning the allocation of funds for the CONCACAF Gold Cup, as well as stipends owed to the national women's footballers, currently competing at the Pan American Games in Toronto, Canada.
He told the Express that instead of fuelling the fire sparked on Monday by the Minister of Sport, he prefers to continue the hard work behind the scenes that the TTFA, much-maligned in recent times, has been doing the past 18 months.
"I'm here to serve the country, and that is what I am willing to do," he said concerning the recent allegations. He said he had organised an independent review commission, which was ratified by all his executives, as well as FIFA.
"I have been busy with that, as well as the performance of the Gold Cup and Pan Am teams." Tim Kee said.
Despite the revelations of Sancho at a media conference on Monday, the TTFA president stands by the report his organisation released to the media on Sunday, regarding the Gold Cup finances. He indicated that it was only on the eve of the departure of the national teams for both the Gold Cup, and Pan American Games, that he received a call from his general secretary telling him that there was no funding available, which led to him making a formal request for an advance on Gold Cup funding.
Tim Kee added that everybody was aware of what happened with the old Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF), and that his new organisation the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) is working hard at trying to not only make amends, but restore the image of the local football body.
Part of this new mandate was fulfilled when in a recent release the TTFA stated that they had their constitution revamped. "I'm elated about the new constitution because there are developments in it that will help the local game," he said. According to him, a lawyer from CONCACAF reviewed the constitution and said that a lot of the tenets stated could be used in other federations in the region.
The TTFA have also formed an independent reform commission in which Raoul John, Dinanath Ramnarine, Elton Prescott, Shelia Rampersad, Brian Lewis, as well as Shaka Hislop are actively involved. Part of the committee's responsibilities is to organise a workable business model, which they have attempted to acquire in the past 18 months. The idea, he said, was to create a financially independent organisation.
The organisation will also be launching its new website, which will not only cater to local players, but T&T nationals overseas as well. The site will be launched next week, and he said that new constitution will be readily available on it to the public.
The TTFA president remains unfazed by the recent back-and-forth between both his organisation and the Ministry of Sport. He instead prefers to focus on the positives occurring in the local game. "For the first time, Trinidad and Tobago have had both their men's and women's teams in the top 50 of the FIFA rankings," he concluded.
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I dont like Tim Kee and Sancho for ONE REASON, they are politicians.
Flex, you ever thought why Tim Kee refused to do an interview with you in 3 years and now election is around the corner he decided to do the interview for you.
Sheldon is using SWO. I dont see what benefit SWO gets from all this. Watch them.
Sancho on the other hand is a wissel.
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I dont like Tim Kee and Sancho for ONE REASON, they are politicians.
Flex, you ever thought why Tim Kee refused to do an interview with you in 3 years and now election is around the corner he decided to do the interview for you.
Sheldon is using SWO. I dont see what benefit SWO gets from all this. Watch them.
Sancho on the other hand is a wissel.
RTK refused to admit that he is a politician on i95.5 on Thursday. Andre Baptiste wasn't taking him on and said how can he be the PNM Mayor and PNM Treasurer but not be a politician? Out of frustration, Andre asked Sheldon if HE thought RTK was a politician. I can't remember exactly what Sheldon's reply was, but it didn't support RTK's view!
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I dont like Tim Kee and Sancho for ONE REASON, they are politicians.
Flex, you ever thought why Tim Kee refused to do an interview with you in 3 years and now election is around the corner he decided to do the interview for you.
Sheldon is using SWO. I dont see what benefit SWO gets from all this. Watch them.
Sancho on the other hand is a wissel.
RTK refused to admit that he is a politician on i95.5 on Thursday. Andre Baptiste wasn't taking him on and said how can he be the PNM Mayor and PNM Treasurer but not be a politician? Out of frustration, Andre asked Sheldon if HE thought RTK was a politician. I can't remember exactly what Sheldon's reply was, but it didn't support RTK's view!
And your point?
Are you a politician?
Good back to your country and stop holding our football at ransom.
You should be working for Chuck E Chesses as the rat.
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How come since election is over we not hearing from Tim Kee and the TTFA?
Makes me wonder if he used football, SWO and Sancho as a election platform.
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How come since election is over we not hearing from Tim Kee and the TTFA?
Makes me wonder if he used football, SWO and Sancho as a election platform.
It's funny because I said we wouldn't hear from him after Pnm win.. So said..so done.. I hope they get the friendlies and everything in order..
We haven't even heard anything from the mos as well... Anything related to football
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How come since election is over we not hearing from Tim Kee and the TTFA?
Makes me wonder if he used football, SWO and Sancho as a election platform.
It's funny because I said we wouldn't hear from him after Pnm win.. So said..so done.. I hope they get the friendlies and everything in order..
We haven't even heard anything from the mos as well... Anything related to football
To be fair, I imagine he's busy dealing with the change overs at the MoS so there wouldn't be any reason to comment until they've sorted out their position
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https://www.youtube.com/v/UJAH6PGJoI8