Mark my words. If Bolt goes to Beijing he won't contest the double. Based on what I read, he has "a hill to climb" in order to be ready for Beijing. I don't think he will run if he is less than 85%.
With that being said, I think first, second and third should come down to :
Gatlin
Powell
Vicaut
Gay
Brommell
These 3 will be right behind them.
Carter
Degrasse
Bledman
Bledman has a chance to solidify himself as a top contender today in France. He needs to duplicate his HCS performance or get something below 9.9 today.. Hopefully the conditions are okay.
Mark my words. If Bolt goes to Beijing he won't contest the double. Based on what I read, he has "a hill to climb" in order to be ready for Beijing. I don't think he will run if he is less than 85%.
With that being said, I think first, second and third should come down to :
Gatlin
Powell
Vicaut
Gay
Brommell
These 3 will be right behind them.
Carter
Degrasse
Bledman
Bledman has a chance to solidify himself as a top contender today in France. He needs to duplicate his HCS performance or get something below 9.9 today.. Hopefully the conditions are okay.
According to the startlist at this link: http://www.meeting-marseille.com/en/meeting/start-lists the only TTO athlete taking part in the Marseille Meeting in Paris today is Wayne Davis in the Men's 110m Hurdles.
What link did you use to get your 100m startlist info?
Mark my words. If Bolt goes to Beijing he won't contest the double. Based on what I read, he has "a hill to climb" in order to be ready for Beijing. I don't think he will run if he is less than 85%.
With that being said, I think first, second and third should come down to :
Gatlin
Powell
Vicaut
Gay
Brommell
These 3 will be right behind them.
Carter
Degrasse
Bledman
Bledman has a chance to solidify himself as a top contender today in France. He needs to duplicate his HCS performance or get something below 9.9 today.. Hopefully the conditions are okay.
According to the startlist at this link: http://www.meeting-marseille.com/en/meeting/start-lists the only TTO athlete taking part in the Marseille Meeting in Paris today is Wayne Davis in the Men's 110m Hurdles.
What link did you use to get your 100m startlist info?
Different meet Soca
http://www.meeting-sotteville.com/
Glad to see Cedenio chosen to run the 400m individual despite what happened at nationals
Glad to see Cedenio chosen to run the 400m individual despite what happened at nationals
four athletes were named in the mens 400m and womens 100m, only 3 can run
Glad to see Cedenio chosen to run the 400m individual despite what happened at nationals
four athletes were named in the mens 400m and womens 100m, only 3 can run
i think that is the case
Interesting. So when will the final decision be made on which three? The day before the race? :D
I should have remembered only three can run and they named four to rep in the individual races
Glad to see Cedenio chosen to run the 400m individual despite what happened at nationals
four athletes were named in the mens 400m and womens 100m, only 3 can run
i think that is the case
Interesting. So when will the final decision be made on which three? The day before the race? :D
I should have remembered only three can run and they named four to rep in the individual races
Glad to see Cedenio chosen to run the 400m individual despite what happened at nationals
four athletes were named in the mens 400m and womens 100m, only 3 can run
i think that is the case
Interesting. So when will the final decision be made on which three? The day before the race? :D
I should have remembered only three can run and they named four to rep in the individual races
It is possible for the 400m in Beijing that we might now have 4 individual spots because Lalonde Gordon won the 400m Final at the just concluded NACAC Seniors Championships which gives the winner an automatic World Champs spot.
I might be wrong but I did hear them announcing during the NACAC Senior Champs that the winner of events all earn an automatic World Champs spot.
World Champs team to be named this week (http://www.newsday.co.tt/sport/0,215463.html)Is Joel Bailey going crazy, He started off with Serette and then jumped to the CPL with no link to the two, I hope that this was not printed in the papers
By JOEL BAILEY Tuesday, August 11 2015 (T&T Newsday)
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Ephraim Serrette, President of the NAAA TT.
THE TRINIDAD and Tobago contingent for the 2015 IAAF World Championships in Beijing, China, will be named this week, according to Ephraim Serrette, president of the National Association of Athletic Associations (NAAA).
Serrette, in an interview last Thursday, pointed out, “we have a provisional team because athletes still have until the 10th of August to qualify. (This week), we will definitely name the team that is going off.
“One year before the Olympics, I think it’s a stage where the athletes will be using as preparations,” continued the former TT sprinter.
“People see (the Olympics) as the ultimate event. So our team will be officially released some time (this) week.” Jehue Gordon, the 2013 World Championships 400-metre hurdles gold medallist, missed the recent Pan American Games in Toronto, Canada, due to injury.
But Serrette commented, “we got information from his medical team (on Wednesday). I think he has progressed well and he has the all-clear to compete at the World Championships.” Khalifa St Fort, the 18-year-old American-born sprinter, took gold last weekend at the Pan Am Junior Championships in Edmonton, Canada. Serrette said, “(Khalifa) St Fort continues to be somebody for the future. We welcome that and I think our female relay team, which should have medalled at the World Relays (in the Bahamas), I think they are poised for the podium at the World Championships, and I’m looking forward to 2016 in Rio as well.” Questioned if St Fort will be a certainty for the World Championships team, Serrette replied, “she has done the qualifying time. We would want to have our very best team. With the absence of Kai Selvon, she would be included in the relay pool.” About Selvon, Serrette revealed, “she had a medical for the exemption from the Championships.
She needed to prove fitness.
“She competed last weekend and did 11.7 and she has since indicated that she would not be available for the Championships.” The NAAA head also disclosed that a camp is planned in Beijing, before the Championships, which are scheduled for August 22-30.
“The athletes are going to Beijing so that they can acclimatise,” he said. “From the medical team, they are 12 hours ahead so there (is) an hour a day to acclimatise.
“We are working on that and trying to get them in ample time so that they can acclimatise and give their best performance,” Serrette added.
With regards to the performances of the TT athletes at the world stage this year, Serrette noted, “I think our athletes continue to do well. I think people need to understand the different levels of competition and not jump too high as yet.
“We need to look and see what’s happening at the World Championships, and we can gauge from (there),” he added. “The athletes have been doing well and we continue to support them. All we can do is wish them well.”it is not surprising that most of the West Indies cricketers performed creditably during the Hero Caribbean Premier League (CPL) as this version does not require any extensive concentration or consistent application of the basics of the game.
Ali went further to highlight that “six balls” in a T20 match could tilt the game in favour of one team or another which further explains the limited need for the application of the basics coupled with sound technique.
Ali highlighted that a pattern of play could be predicted most times in this version of the game which makes it much easier to respond to a given situation as opposed to the longer versions where there is a need for extensive concentration, consistent application of the basics and there is sufficient time to test the mental and technical ability of a particular player or team.
“Some of the West Indies players exhibited ‘flashes of brilliance’ during the Caribbean Premier League but have stumbled in the longer versions of the game due to a lack of mental strength, their inability to read the game and apply the basics consistently which is evidenced by their inconsistent performance over time,” he said.
“These challenges must be intelligently and immediately addressed in order for the journey of development in the longer versions to commence.” Ali highlighted that the players and team management must start adopting a student approach in their preparation and execution in the longer version.
“The players and team management must appreciate the importance of being able to read the game in order to respond effectively to a particular situation,” he noted.
“We have not been seeing this and hence the results.” Ali calls on the cricket administrators to seize the opportunity to formulate a plan of action that would facilitate the improvement in the areas outline for the upcoming tours and in order to pave the way for future development in the longer version.
Ali said that the energies derived from the T20 Hero Caribbean Premier League must be directed in a timely manner to the development of our cricket at all levels.
World Champs team to be named this week (http://www.newsday.co.tt/sport/0,215463.html)Is Joel Bailey going crazy, He started off with Serette and then jumped to the CPL with no link to the two, I hope that this was not printed in the papers
By JOEL BAILEY Tuesday, August 11 2015 (T&T Newsday)
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Ephraim Serrette, President of the NAAA TT.
THE TRINIDAD and Tobago contingent for the 2015 IAAF World Championships in Beijing, China, will be named this week, according to Ephraim Serrette, president of the National Association of Athletic Associations (NAAA).
Serrette, in an interview last Thursday, pointed out, “we have a provisional team because athletes still have until the 10th of August to qualify. (This week), we will definitely name the team that is going off.
“One year before the Olympics, I think it’s a stage where the athletes will be using as preparations,” continued the former TT sprinter.
“People see (the Olympics) as the ultimate event. So our team will be officially released some time (this) week.” Jehue Gordon, the 2013 World Championships 400-metre hurdles gold medallist, missed the recent Pan American Games in Toronto, Canada, due to injury.
But Serrette commented, “we got information from his medical team (on Wednesday). I think he has progressed well and he has the all-clear to compete at the World Championships.” Khalifa St Fort, the 18-year-old American-born sprinter, took gold last weekend at the Pan Am Junior Championships in Edmonton, Canada. Serrette said, “(Khalifa) St Fort continues to be somebody for the future. We welcome that and I think our female relay team, which should have medalled at the World Relays (in the Bahamas), I think they are poised for the podium at the World Championships, and I’m looking forward to 2016 in Rio as well.” Questioned if St Fort will be a certainty for the World Championships team, Serrette replied, “she has done the qualifying time. We would want to have our very best team. With the absence of Kai Selvon, she would be included in the relay pool.” About Selvon, Serrette revealed, “she had a medical for the exemption from the Championships.
She needed to prove fitness.
“She competed last weekend and did 11.7 and she has since indicated that she would not be available for the Championships.” The NAAA head also disclosed that a camp is planned in Beijing, before the Championships, which are scheduled for August 22-30.
“The athletes are going to Beijing so that they can acclimatise,” he said. “From the medical team, they are 12 hours ahead so there (is) an hour a day to acclimatise.
“We are working on that and trying to get them in ample time so that they can acclimatise and give their best performance,” Serrette added.
With regards to the performances of the TT athletes at the world stage this year, Serrette noted, “I think our athletes continue to do well. I think people need to understand the different levels of competition and not jump too high as yet.
“We need to look and see what’s happening at the World Championships, and we can gauge from (there),” he added. “The athletes have been doing well and we continue to support them. All we can do is wish them well.”
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it is not surprising that most of the West Indies cricketers performed creditably during the Hero Caribbean Premier League (CPL) as this version does not require any extensive concentration or consistent application of the basics of the game.
Ali went further to highlight that “six balls” in a T20 match could tilt the game in favour of one team or another which further explains the limited need for the application of the basics coupled with sound technique.
Ali highlighted that a pattern of play could be predicted most times in this version of the game which makes it much easier to respond to a given situation as opposed to the longer versions where there is a need for extensive concentration, consistent application of the basics and there is sufficient time to test the mental and technical ability of a particular player or team.
“Some of the West Indies players exhibited ‘flashes of brilliance’ during the Caribbean Premier League but have stumbled in the longer versions of the game due to a lack of mental strength, their inability to read the game and apply the basics consistently which is evidenced by their inconsistent performance over time,” he said.
“These challenges must be intelligently and immediately addressed in order for the journey of development in the longer versions to commence.” Ali highlighted that the players and team management must start adopting a student approach in their preparation and execution in the longer version.
“The players and team management must appreciate the importance of being able to read the game in order to respond effectively to a particular situation,” he noted.
“We have not been seeing this and hence the results.” Ali calls on the cricket administrators to seize the opportunity to formulate a plan of action that would facilitate the improvement in the areas outline for the upcoming tours and in order to pave the way for future development in the longer version.
Ali said that the energies derived from the T20 Hero Caribbean Premier League must be directed in a timely manner to the development of our cricket at all levels.
Is J Bellille injured I know she ran below the qualifying standard.
400m (Cedenio)
- Birds nest track is fast. 44.20 or better to medal..
- James did finish 5th in 2013. The level of competition is much deeper than it was in 2012 and 2013. I think this might throw him off again..
- That kid from Qatar was running since the beginning of the year. His tank must be close to empty by now..
- Van Niekerk is a hard worker, very dynamic. Capable of running good against "balanced" and "come from behind" runners. I cant see him off the podium..
- Gardner shows a lot of promise. I dont know much about him. Cant ever recall seeing him in Carifta..
- Merrit continues to peak. He will be ready to run against the best. Trust me..
- Cedenio, "Come back from behind" will work if he has a good lane and stays with the pack.
- Francis is kind of unpredictable. Good on the back stretch. Strong runner if he gets in front.
Others to think about
- Brown
- Gordon
- Santos
- Verberg
- Borlees (One of them always does well)
400m (Cedenio)
- Birds nest track is fast. 44.20 or better to medal..
- James did finish 5th in 2013. The level of competition is much deeper than it was in 2012 and 2013. I think this might throw him off again..
- That kid from Qatar was running since the beginning of the year. His tank must be close to empty by now..
- Van Niekerk is a hard worker, very dynamic. Capable of running good against "balanced" and "come from behind" runners. I cant see him off the podium..
- Gardner shows a lot of promise. I dont know much about him. Cant ever recall seeing him in Carifta..
- Merrit continues to peak. He will be ready to run against the best. Trust me..
- Cedenio, "Come back from behind" will work if he has a good lane and stays with the pack.
- Francis is kind of unpredictable. Good on the back stretch. Strong runner if he gets in front.
Others to think about
- Brown
- Gordon
- Santos
- Verberg
- Borlees (One of them always does well)
You forgot Makwala (43.72). A big factor is how these athletes especially the younger ones handle 3 very fast races. I suspect Gardiner, the Qatari, and maybe even Makwala and van Niekerk may be impacted. Cedenio has a lot of championship experience at the world level, except at the seniors but he runs well in finals after rounds. While J. Francis runs monster relay legs he may not be as successful in the individual 400m with fast QF and SF; I see Santos and the others making the final before him, everything else being equal.With so much talent parity this year, the final may be an anti-climax timeless, with everyone battling to make the final
According to Jarring Solomon Twitter it seems that Lalonde Quow Cedenio will be the entries for the 400. I still don't know why he is shocked as 45's can't cut it anymore
According to Jarring Solomon Twitter it seems that Lalonde Quow Cedenio will be the entries for the 400. I still don't know why he is shocked as 45's can't cut it anymore
I hope Solomon is not discouraged to the point where it will affect his performance in Biejing. T&T need him to give his best in the relay
Socapro I can also make all these speculations like you are doing as to why Solomon was not selected to run individuals. My point is for Solomon not to be discouraged and give his best in the relay
Socapro I can also make all these speculations like you are doing as to why Solomon was not selected to run individuals. My point is for Solomon not to be discouraged and give his best in the relay
I did not dispute your point.
Socapro I can also make all these speculations like you are doing as to why Solomon was not selected to run individuals. My point is for Solomon not to be discouraged and give his best in the relay
I did not dispute your point.
Logic will tell us why the NAAA chose Cedenio, Gordon and Quow to run the individual.
Cedenio- Best time.
Gordon - Area Champion
Quow - National Champion.
Solomon - Runner up
Hard luck for Solomon. I hope he realizes that his spot on the 4x400 is not a given, now that Lendore is running again.
http://www.iaaf.org/download/download?filename=9cc99c48-94bf-448c-8b0f-8a8b42603e1c.pdf&urlSlug=iaaf-world-championships-beijing-2015-entries
Based on the provisional entry list, TTO has 4 400m runners:
Cedenio
Gordon
Lendore (I'm surprised at this one)
Quow
I believe Gordon got an automatic spot because he is the area champion.
Lendore is getting healthy. But I wouldnt have chosen him over Solomon.
A lot of Bolt fans will be crying if he lose to Gatlin in Beijing :D
I doh really care who win nah.
A lot of Bolt fans will be crying if he lose to Gatlin in Beijing :D
I doh really care who win nah.
They will. But the word coming out from Mills is that Bolt is ready. Whenever Mills says Bolt is ready, Bolt always wins.
A lot of Bolt fans will be crying if he lose to Gatlin in Beijing :D
I doh really care who win nah.
They will. But the word coming out from Mills is that Bolt is ready. Whenever Mills says Bolt is ready, Bolt always wins.
I dont expect him to say Bolt not ready. Anyway time will tell who will win.
Apologies if this has already been posted, but is there T&T TV info for the WC? Which channel etc? :beermug:
(Also, first post in about nine months, hello! :thumbsup:)
Thanks for contributing. The track and field section is usually more popular during WCs or Olympics. So we will be seeing more posts from people like yourself who dont post regularly. :beermug:
Thanks for contributing. The track and field section is usually more popular during WCs or Olympics. So we will be seeing more posts from people like yourself who dont post regularly. :beermug:
:beermug:
Live streams to watch the World Champs online are being posted to first post in this thread.
https://youtube.com/channel/UCK54EO7U_eGh-Ch1db4OaZg
A uncut master feed from the IAAF. Add It to your list Socapro.
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TT hunt big ‘Worlds’ haul (http://www.newsday.co.tt/sport/0,215862.html)
By ASHFORD JACKMAN Thursday, August 20 2015 (T&T Newsday)
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IF EVENTS in international track and field competition this year are anything to go by, Trinidad and Tobago can justifiably expect to pick up a few medals at the 15th IAAF (International Association of Athletics Federations) World Championships, opening in Beijing, China on Saturday. The nation’s athletes have made their mark this year in various disciplines and on diverse occasions- notably at the Pan Am Games, the Junior World Championships and even in the IAAF Diamond League.
The National Association of Athletics Administrations (NAAA) came up with a national team of 21 athletes for the nine-day fiesta in the Chinese capital; 13 men and 8 women will represent the red, white and black, in sprinting, hurdling, the shot put and the javelin.
The last multiple medal return for TT at the World Championships came in Berlin, 2009 when TT earned silver in the Men’s 4 x 100 metre Relay and picked up bronze medals in the Men’s 400m and the Women’s 400m Hurdles.
Significantly, most of the personnel at the heart of those successes are out of the reckoning, at least for now. Of the men’s sprint relay squad that clocked 37.62 seconds to finish behind winners Jamaica in Berlin, only Emmanuel Callendar and Keston Bledman are now in Beijing. Richard Thompson is injured, while elder statesmen Marc Burns and Darryl Brown have both been affected by time and lack of form.
Josanne Lucas, who claimed women’s 400m hurdles bronze in 53.20 seconds, later suffered a serious injury, and some would argue that she has never been the same.
Renny Quow won bronze in the men’s 400 in 45.02; six years on, he remains an important and experienced member of the TT men’s mile relay squad.
For most local track and field enthusiasts, that group represents TT ’s best podium chance in China.
Headed by the outstanding Deon Lendore and World Youth champion Machel Cedenio, the squad is further strengthened by the return to form of Lalonde Gordon, who won two Olympic bronze medals in London 2012- in the 400 and as a member of the mile relay quartet.
Add to that his fellow-Tobagonian Quow and the consistent Jarrin Solomon, and something would have to go very wrong for TT not to finish among the medals in the relay.
There are also high expectations for Olympic Javelin champion Keshorn Walcott, who keeps improving on his national record and has now joined the ranks of the 90 metre- plus throwers. Troubled by an ankle injury, the Toco-born athlete has not let that deter his performances.
No one would count out Cleopatra Borel in the Women’s Shot Put, and her confidence would have been given a great boost by her gold medal performance at the Pan Am Games. Borel’s chances are boosted by the absence of two-time Olympic gold medallist and fourtime World and reigning champ Valerie Adams of New Zealand who recently had surgery.
Of TT ’s other female athletes, it is the wealth of sprinters on hand that suggests a medal can be in the offing- the return of Kelly-Ann Baptiste and Semoy Hackett, coinciding with the rise of teenager Khalifa St Fort and the return of Michelle- Lee Ahye gives rise to hope for the 4 x 100m relay. It remains to be seen, however, how well Ahye has recovered from the injuries that have setback her promising career; her speed when fully fit can make the difference between a podium position and an “also ran” tagline to the relay effort.
There have been other performers- Bledman, Mikel Thomas and Sparkle Mc Knight come to mind, and there is the matter of an out-of-form Jehue Gordon looking to defend his 400m title; but fans need to remember they will be competing against the world’s best.
Many a dream has been broken by the reality of world athletics.
TT came away from Osaka 2007 without a medal; two years later, they had three in Berlin, then came a solitary bronze in Daegu 2011 before Gordon’s gold in Moscow 2013.
There have been no large hauls, suggesting it would be wise to wait, watch, listen and hope. Newsday wishes our athletes good hunting!
So it is confirmed. No Sorrillo or Telesford. 4x100 up in the air.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20150820/sports/relay-blow
So it is confirmed. No Sorrillo or Telesford. 4x100 up in the air.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20150820/sports/relay-blow
Will sound harsh,but they might as well scrap the team. However if they run, I will still cheer as painful as it will be.
So it is confirmed. No Sorrillo or Telesford. 4x100 up in the air.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20150820/sports/relay-blow
Will sound harsh,but they might as well scrap the team. However if they run, I will still cheer as painful as it will be.
The Men 4x100m relay team of Thomas, Geaux, Callender & Bledman running in that order can still make the 4x100m final. And if they all execute smooth efficient baton changes they can even run a season best and beat a couple teams in the final.
If they do that I'll be pleased with their efforts and it will be a positive result heading into Rio next year where we will hopefully have all of our best sprinters in the squad and not be affected by so many injuries.
:thumbsup: to highlighted!So it is confirmed. No Sorrillo or Telesford. 4x100 up in the air.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20150820/sports/relay-blow
Will sound harsh,but they might as well scrap the team. However if they run, I will still cheer as painful as it will be.
The Men 4x100m relay team of Thomas, Geaux, Callender & Bledman running in that order can still make the 4x100m final. And if they all execute smooth efficient baton changes they can even run a season best and beat a couple teams in the final.
If they do that I'll be pleased with their efforts and it will be a positive result heading into Rio next year where we will hopefully have all of our best sprinters in the squad and not be affected by so many injuries.
We may have a chance of making the finals with that team. Although, there are no real stand outs this year, getting a medal will be tough. We are up against the Canadians, French, GB (No Gemili), Japan and Antigua. No teams from St Kitts or Barbados. All of those teams have had problems with getting the baton to the line in the past. So a medal is possible if we do it right.
I expect the Americans to start racking up medals in the early stage of this Championship
Cleopatra Borel has qualified for the Shot Put final on her second throw with a distance of 18.55.
The final will start at 8:05am T&T time (Sat 22nd).
http://www.iaaf.org/competitions/iaaf-world-championships/15th-iaaf-world-championships-4875/results/women/shot-put/qualification/result
SHOT PUT WOMEN - GROUP A 22 AUG 2015 10:10
QUALIFYING PERFORMANCE 18.30 (Q) OR AT LEAST 12 BEST PERFORMERS (Q)
POS BIB ATHLETE COUNTRY MARK
1 447 Christina SCHWANITZ GER GER 19.39 Q
2 462 Anita MÁRTON HUN HUN 18.85 Q
3 808 Cleopatra BOREL TTO TTO 18.55 Q
4 155 Aliona DUBITSKAYA BLR BLR 18.51 Q
5 230 Yang GAO CHN CHN 18.21 q
6 667 Paulina GUBA POL POL 17.73 q
7 866 Tia BROOKS USA USA 17.71
8 503 Chiara ROSA ITA ITA 17.54
9 165 Geisa ARCANJO BRA BRA 17.42
10 837 Galyna OBLESHCHUK UKR UKR 16.97
11 272 Auriol DONGMO MEKEMNAN CMR CMR 16.85 NR
12 527 Danniel THOMAS JAM JAM 16.62
Bellman looks like he may be injured. ? no 4x1 team
jehue clearly not fully fit, should have stayed home. I don't want him anywhere near the 4x4 team
17.43m
maybe the season was a bit too long for Borel, i think this is her worst performance this season
17.43m
maybe the season was a bit too long for Borel, i think this is her worst performance this season
We need the youths now!!!!!
Bledman vents his frustrations...
https://www.youtube.com/v/HziJNCmP_oU
Bledman vents his frustrations...
https://www.youtube.com/v/HziJNCmP_oU
I don't understand it. I was of the impression that all our athletes needed to prove their fitness and form before selection to the T&T team.
If they knew that Bledman was hurt then why did they select him to the T&T team and bring him to the World Championships to embarrass himself with a subpar performance?
Also I don't undestand why Bledman was so negative about competing at the Pan Am Games. To me it was an opportunity for him to win a major title and to get himself better prepared for these World Championships by running a few races under silimar conditions against 2nd tier sprinters who he should have been able to dominate.
Bledman also needs to learn to speak slower and clearer in his interviews. I think all our top athletes need to be trained to give professional sounding interviews as part of their training as all top successful athletes should be prepared to give professional interviews in front an international watching audience.
Jehue gave a much more professional sounding interview than Bledman did.
I also think that Bledman needs to give Ato a call as next year could be his last major opportunity to prove himself as a 1st tier sprinter on the world stage. Bledman is in danger of only being regarded as a good relay runner as far as major championships are concerned.
T&T's rich sprint tradition on the men's side is in danger of going into a long dry spell if we are not careful.
Bledman vents his frustrations...
https://www.youtube.com/v/HziJNCmP_oU
I don't understand it. I was of the impression that all our athletes needed to prove their fitness and form before selection to the T&T team.
If they knew that Bledman was hurt then why did they select him to the T&T team and bring him to the World Championships to embarrass himself with a subpar performance?
Also I don't undestand why Bledman was so negative about competing at the Pan Am Games. To me it was an opportunity for him to win a major title and to get himself better prepared for these World Championships by running a few races under silimar conditions against 2nd tier sprinters who he should have been able to dominate.
Bledman also needs to learn to speak slower and clearer in his interviews. I think all our top athletes need to be trained to give professional sounding interviews as part of their training as all top successful athletes should be prepared to give professional interviews in front an international watching audience.
Jehue gave a much more professional sounding interview than Bledman did.
I also think that Bledman needs to give Ato a call as next year could be his last major opportunity to prove himself as a 1st tier sprinter on the world stage. Bledman is in danger of only being regarded as a good relay runner as far as major championships are concerned.
T&T's rich sprint tradition on the men's side is in danger of going into a long dry spell if we are not careful.
Other than De Grasse there were no other top 100m sprinters at the Pan Am games. The americans and Jamaicans did not force their top sprinters to attend. i am not sure how dominating second tier sprinters would be helpful to someone who competes regularly with the best in the world in the Diamond league. his participation did not deprive anyone a place on the team. The world championship and olympic games are the events that really count and the TTNAAA needs to work with the top athletes to ensure they are in the best possible condition for the majors. Allowing an olympic champion who has thrown over 90m this season to compete injured a couple months before the world champs is questionable at best. Other than the National championships i hope this does not happen next year.
This has been an issue ever since the WCs were initiated in 1983, with both competitions being held so close to each other. In 1983 the WCs ended a week before the PanAm games started in Caracas, prompting many US athletes to reconsider. Even then Bert Cameron the 400m WChamp did not compete for Jamaica at those games, not even the relay. With both games being "major" competitions the athletes have to compete at high to fairly high levels throughout the rounds which takes a toll on their legs, and then being asked to repeat without sufficient downtime and subsequent ramp up training before the next meet.
One would think that Mr. Serrette being a former national athlete himself would understand these things, so given that Bledman said the NAAAs made participation in the PanAms a prerequisite for WC competition is a disappointing surprise. I am sure they will cite that Andre De Grasse didn't complain, but he was competing in his country, and it is yet to be seen what the impact is as he progresses further.
As RC mentioned, forcing Keshorn Walcott (if that indeed was the case) to basically compete while injured as a prerequisite is both derelict and irresponsible to his and his comrades' future.
Anyway, there are both sides to a story so I will reserve my opinion until I hear what the NAAAs have to say in response to his interview.
No way mc Donald is and under 44 sec sprinter
No way mc Donald is and under 44 sec sprinter
Wow, MLA look real comfortable breaking 11 and winning her heat....
Wow, MLA look real comfortable breaking 11 and winning her heat....
Hackett looks DAMN GOOD.
^^^ I am rooting for Hackett to run a PB and make final. Sorry my Trini bias in full motion right now. I want my athletes to do well
finals
https://www.youtube.com/v/q3h0sadCa10
Who crying again?
Who crying again?
Suddenly no post again from Sando Prince. He is probably in the toilet crying as we speak! ;)
Who crying again?
Respect to Jessica Ennis Hill. She delivered for her country. Interesting to see how Britain finish on the medal table
https://www.youtube.com/v/l978A_Nwm6c
Here is interview with Trini traitor Kerron Clement after his 400m Hurdles Semi-Final.
Allyuh see the Men's 400 Metres Semi-Finals Startlists?!!
Each Semi-Final is almost like a Final by itself when you look at the line-up.
Those who want to make it into the 400m final may need to run 44.low or better in their Semi just to guarantee themself one of the two automatic qualifers spots.
http://www.iaaf.org/competitions/iaaf-world-championships/15th-iaaf-world-championships-4875/results/men/400-metres/semi-final/startlist#resultheader
15TH IAAF WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS
400 METRES MEN SEMI-FINAL
FIRST 2 IN EACH HEAT (Q) AND THE NEXT 2 FASTEST (Q)
HEAT 1 24 AUG 2015 20:05
ORDER / LANE BIB ATHLETE COUNTRY SB 2015 PB
2 189 Chris BROWN BAH BAH 44.54 44.40
3 632 Peter MATTHEWS JAM JAM 44.69 44.69
4 943 Renny QUOW TTO TTO 44.54 44.53
5 1067 David VERBURG USA USA 44.41 44.41
6 410 Luguelín SANTOS DOM DOM 44.56 44.45
7 580 Kirani JAMES GRN GRN 43.95 43.74
8 216 Kévin BORLÉE BEL BEL 45.01 44.56
9 1050 Vernon NORWOOD USA USA 44.44 44.44
HEAT 2 24 AUG 2015 20:13
ORDER / LANE BIB ATHLETE COUNTRY SB 2015 PB
2 362 Nery BRENES CRC CRC 44.80 44.65
3 940 Lalonde GORDON TTO TTO 44.64 44.52
4 520 Rabah YOUSIF GBR GBR 45.01 45.01
5 631 Rusheen MCDONALD JAM JAM 43.93 43.93
6 194 Steven GARDINER BAH BAH 44.27 44.27
7 715 Yousef Ahmed MASRAHI KSA KSA 43.93 43.93
8 1049 Bryshon NELLUM USA USA 44.65 44.65
9 243 Isaac MAKWALA BOT BOT 43.72 43.72
HEAT 3 24 AUG 2015 20:21
ORDER / LANE BIB ATHLETE COUNTRY SB 2015 PB
2 759 Liemarvin BONEVACIA NED NED 44.72 44.72
3 204 Michael MATHIEU BAH BAH 45.00 45.00
4 627 Javon FRANCIS JAM JAM 44.50 44.50
5 938 Machel CEDENIO TTO TTO 44.36 44.36
6 1047 LaShawn MERRITT USA USA 44.36 43.74
7 857 Wayde VAN NIEKERK RSA RSA 43.96 43.96
8 521 Martyn ROONEY GBR GBR 44.45 44.45
9 217 Jonathan BORLÉE BEL BEL 44.67 44.43
I am predicting that Cedenio and Van Niekerk will make it out of Semi-Final 3 as the automatic qualifiers but it’s almost impossible for me to predict who will be the automatic qualifiers from the other two Semis.
Who do you guys predict will make it out of each 400m Semi-final as the first two automatic qualifiers?
And here is the Women's 100 Metres Semi-Finals Startlists!!
Again each Semi-Final is tough and almost like a Final when you look at the line-up.
Those who want to make it into the 100m final may need to run sub 11 or better in their Semi just to guarantee themself one of the two automatic qualifers spots.
http://www.iaaf.org/competitions/iaaf-world-championships/15th-iaaf-world-championships-4875/results/women/100-metres/semi-final/startlist#resultheader
15TH IAAF WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS
100 METRES WOMEN
FIRST 2 IN EACH HEAT (Q) AND THE NEXT 2 FASTEST (Q)
HEAT 1 24 AUG 2015 19:40
ORDER / LANE BIB ATHLETE COUNTRY SB 2015 PB
2 394 Asha PHILIP GBR GBR 11.10 11.10
3 252 Yongli WEI CHN CHN 11.28 11.28
4 637 Blessing OKAGBARE NGR NGR 10.80 10.79
5 271 Marie-Josee TA LOU CIV CIV 11.06 11.06
6 510 Shelly-Ann FRASER-PRYCE JAM JAM 10.74 10.70
7 810 Semoy HACKETT TTO TTO 11.16 11.04
8 884 English GARDNER USA USA 10.79 10.79
9 518 Sherone SIMPSON JAM JAM 10.95 10.82
HEAT 2 24 AUG 2015 19:47
ORDER / LANE BIB ATHLETE COUNTRY SB 2015 PB
2 301 Ramona PAPAIOANNOU CYP CYP 11.36 11.36
3 554 Viktoriya ZYABKINA KAZ KAZ 11.20 11.20
4 865 Tori BOWIE USA USA 10.81 10.80
5 168 Rosângela SANTOS BRA BRA 11.04 11.04
6 519 Natasha MORRISON JAM JAM 11.03 11.03
7 807 Kelly-Ann BAPTISTE TTO TTO 10.84 10.83
8 771 Mujinga KAMBUNDJI SUI SUI 11.17 11.17
9 534 Chisato f**kUSHIMA JPN JPN 11.23 11.21
HEAT 3 24 AUG 2015 19:54
ORDER / LANE BIB ATHLETE COUNTRY SB 2015 PB
2 923 Jasmine TODD USA USA 10.92 10.92
3 646 Ezinne OKPARAEBO NOR NOR 11.12 11.10
4 508 Veronica CAMPBELL-BROWN JAM JAM 10.99 10.76
5 622 Dafne SCHIPPERS NED NED 10.92 10.92
6 197 Ivet LALOVA-COLLIO BUL BUL 11.09 10.77
7 806 Michelle-Lee AHYE TTO TTO 10.97 10.85
8 705 Carina HORN RSA RSA 11.06 11.06
9 270 Murielle AHOURÉ CIV CIV 10.81 10.81
I am predicting that KAB and MLA will make it out of their Semi to the Final but Hackett will be less fortunate. If Hackett can run near to her PB in her Semi then that will be a positive satisfactory performance from her which she can take into the 200m which seems to be her stronger event.
Allyuh see the Men's 400 Metres Semi-Finals Startlists?!!
Each Semi-Final is almost like a Final by itself when you look at the line-up.
Those who want to make it into the 400m final may need to run 44.low or better in their Semi just to guarantee themself one of the two automatic qualifers spots.
Absolute FIRE.. I agree with what you have there. I am predicting that one of the big names will not make the final. Regardless, there will be another talent to replace whoever it is.
I am still going with Merritt and James to make the finals and be the favorites, they have not "blown their wad" to make the semis due to smarter control of the pace in their heats, not making it a time trial. Though Merritt has not been a force early in the season under a new coach, he has progressed slowly but steadily. James has not shown his cards as yet.
Our fellas have not tried to show off either, deciding to take the lesser placings into the semis. I will even go out on a limb to predict that neither Masrahi , Makwala, nor McDonald will not make the finals. Cedenio will have to get out just a bit faster and not leave himself too much as that only works with 44.5-45.5 men, plus he will be spent in the finals if he has to rely on those heroics again.
The finals and the medals will be reserved for the seasoned and the fittest. So if van Niekerk wants to bust a sub-44 to make the final don't expect to see him amongst the medallists.
Not mad at Semoy Hackett. She ran a season best of 11.13 despite not finishing top two for automatic final qualification.
Gordon better go and say some prayers. He has the last "fastest loser" spot right now, with one more semi to come.
Very good performances by our athletes, they gave their best "under the circumstances".
TTOC and NAAAs on the other hand, admit and correct your faulty strategy to send the entire WC team to PanAms, and expect them to improve with such a short turnaround. While this may have worked had there been 2 months between games, it seems to have failed here.
The upside/gamble may have been fine-tuning, but that may be applicable to a subset of athletes in need of races/competition. With such a short timeframe all you got them were injuries/niggles without enough time to recuperate.
Where each athlete is in their final preparations needs to be taken into account - (i) do they need the competition, (ii) are they coming off of injuries, (iii) are they still in final training sessions that need not be disrupted.
I wonder if the powers at hand consulted with the various coaches or just mandated participation in PanAms as a prerequisite to WCs.
In the Women's Triple Jump, Caterine Ibarguen (COLOMBIA) defends her 2013 title with a win today at 14.90 meters, .10 better than 2013
Note that the 4 women ahead of KAB and MLA are all solid 200m runners with PB's all below 22.2, seasons bests of 22.3x or lower barring VCB who I'm sure is now running faster than 22.61.
Neither KAB or MLA have run near that so in a way if they can get near at least 22.3 region they will be in a solid place to contend for the medals.
Note that the 4 women ahead of KAB and MLA are all solid 200m runners with PB's all below 22.2, seasons bests of 22.3x or lower barring VCB who I'm sure is now running faster than 22.61.
Neither KAB or MLA have run near that so in a way if they can get near at least 22.3 region they will be in a solid place to contend for the medals.
Note that the 4 women ahead of KAB and MLA are all solid 200m runners with PB's all below 22.2, seasons bests of 22.3x or lower barring VCB who I'm sure is now running faster than 22.61.
Neither KAB or MLA have run near that so in a way if they can get near at least 22.3 region they will be in a solid place to contend for the medals.
Good analysis Trini.. But too bad KAB and MLA are not running the 200m
I think Semoy will make the final.
I'm extremely proud of them. They have shown that they too like our men's sprint team can perform at the highest level.
Like you said Soca they have both gone through so much! MLA a grade II strain, and KAB coming back after not competing in so long but yet both make the finals. That is a testament to their talent.
I'm extremely proud of them. They have shown that they too like our men's sprint team can perform at the highest level.
Like you said Soca they have both gone through so much! MLA a grade II strain, and KAB coming back after not competing in so long but yet both make the finals. That is a testament to their talent.
What happened?
What happened?
https://www.youtube.com/v/USAcLDAeoi8
Well, as I suspected the seasoned athletes (Merritt and James) made up the podium places, with Santos close behind in 4th.:beermug:
Van Niekerk is the new find and proved he can run fast throughout the 3 rounds and has my respect.
The showmen (Makwala and Masrahi) faultered as I expected having run themselves out of contention too early.
Our horse Cedenio should count this as invaluable experience upon which to build for next year. I remember when he placed 4th in the World Youths in France and steadily improved to place then medal/win at successive WJCs. He and his coach need to find that balance between speed, race pace, and his strong finish to maximize his potential. I am sure he will come away with valuable knowledge about strategy and tactics in running rounds, getting better lane draws, and running his best IN THE FINALS (look at Merritt).
On to the relays!!
WOW! did allyuh see what just happened in the women 200m final? Fourth fastest race in history
on to the relays, hoping for a sub 42 sec from the women and a sub 2:58 from the men
The man who run the 3rd leg in the 4x4, ran a hell of a leg to bring us back in. The women looked good. Khalifa look like she can hold her own against the big girsl. Just some fine tuning on the baton passing and they good to go.
No challenge. That Bronze was all us!!!T&T's 4X100m Women's Relay Team take bronze in their event with a time of 42.03,new NR at the #IAAFWorldChampionships.
KAB can very well articulate how she and her team is feeling. Maybe she should think about being a Track analyst if she does not want to get into coaching after she decide to hang up her track boots.
https://www.facebook.com/CNC3Television/videos/10153594210077996/ (https://www.facebook.com/CNC3Television/videos/10153594210077996/)
Kelly Ann Baptiste can very well articulate how she and her team is feeling. Maybe she should think about being a Track analyst if she does not want to get into coaching after she decide to hang up her track boots.
https://www.facebook.com/CNC3Television/videos/10153594210077996/ (https://www.facebook.com/CNC3Television/videos/10153594210077996/)
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The 1st leg was not good enough
First leg split by Quow was 43.23 and handed off in first. Last leg was the weakest leg
The 1st leg was not good enough
You know were handed off in first right. There were some class guys on that 1st leg that Quow was not going to blow out of the water.
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The 1st leg was not good enough
You know were handed off in first right. There were some class guys on that 1st leg that Quow was not going to blow out of the water.
[/he looks more like about 4th to me no way that's 1stquote]
Based on the official splits... Quow was first on his leg by a full .20 seconds... !!!!!!!!!!
Ok I just saw the official splits maybe because lane 4 is just not a good lane on this track.
We won silver but yet we have one very unhappy member of the relay squad . Seems jarrin Solomon is blaming politics in the NAAA for his omission in the 4x400m final. I like Jarrin Solomon but he has to be realisitic . Once everyone is fit he is just an alternate. if he does not like that position the power is in his feet. Start running some 44.5 or lower and give yourself an automatic pick. 45's can no longer cut it in the 400m. I applaud NAAA in their selection and the guys showed they made the right decision, It is not about an individual feeling but a country feelingYou are absolutely right. Lendore is coming back from injury, was well rested and is a far better 400 runner. There is no way that Jarrin Solomon could have done better. We want the best team on the track and he is not in the top four now. If he run better times, he will be on the track come Rio
Team TTO running order: Renny Quow, Lalonde Gordon, Deon Lendore and Machel Cedenio
Legs assessment: Strong 1st leg from Quow 44.9; Strong 2nd leg from Gordon 44.1; Strong 3rd leg from Lendore 44.85; Strong 4th leg from Cedenio 44.47.
WCH 2015 Beijing - Team Trinidad and Tobago 4x400 Relay Men Final Silver
https://www.youtube.com/v/Cb6BRO88Zr8
We won silver but yet we have one very unhappy member of the relay squad . Seems jarrin Solomon is blaming politics in the NAAA for his omission in the 4x400m final. I like Jarrin Solomon but he has to be realisitic . Once everyone is fit he is just an alternate. if he does not like that position the power is in his feet. Start running some 44.5 or lower and give yourself an automatic pick. 45's can no longer cut it in the 400m. I applaud NAAA in their selection and the guys showed they made the right decision, It is not about an individual feeling but a country feelingYou are absolutely right. Lendore is coming back from injury, was well rested and is a far better 400 runner. There is no way that Jarrin Solomon could have done better. We want the best team on the track and he is not in the top four now. If he run better times, he will be on the track come Rio
The situation with J Solomon was handled in a unprofessional manner with the times these guys were running the 400s this year there was no way any of our guys were going to get a medal they should have let him run the 400 and in the relays the man run a 44.50 leg and still did not get a chance to run in the finals so he got screwed over twice.
1st of all I'm not Jarrin and you need to stop acting so emotional because I made a comment all I am saying is 44.50 would not get you a medal anymore Santos ran 44.11 and could not get a medal you had to run 44.50 just to get to the final, even if J Solomon got knocked out in the 1st rounds he could not say anything because he got a shot at it now the national championship look like a joke it just was not handled in a professional manner and with the young guns coming up he might not get a chance to run a individual race on that level again.
1st of all I'm not Jarrin and you need to stop acting so emotional because I made a comment all I am saying is 44.50 would not get you a medal anymore Santos ran 44.11 and could not get a medal you had to run 44.50 just to get to the final, even if J Solomon got knocked out in the 1st rounds he could not say anything because he got a shot at it now the national championship look like a joke it just was not handled in a professional manner and with the young guns coming up he might not get a chance to run a individual race on that level again.
1st of all I'm not Jarrin and you need to stop acting so emotional because I made a comment all I am saying is 44.50 would not get you a medal anymore Santos ran 44.11 and could not get a medal you had to run 44.50 just to get to the final, even if J Solomon got knocked out in the 1st rounds he could not say anything because he got a shot at it now the national championship look like a joke it just was not handled in a professional manner and with the young guns coming up he might not get a chance to run a individual race on that level again.
I disagree as to your points because your focus is on jarrin solomon and not on T&T . The country comes first and if he cant see that then I beg to ask how patriotic he is. Secondly as I told socapro before the way jarrin behaved in the nationals , It is hard to see the rest fighting for him to be included. His behaviour at nationals would of affected how the others view him.Thirdly being able to run a 44.5 leg does not justify selection. Carlyle Roudette ran how many 44 legs for Texas A&M so he should be included also. The team ran a National record and got silver and men crying that jarrin got left out. He get a silver in world. Something he could never do by himself. If you so vex then turn that into motivation and be the best. But in my honest opinion I feel he knows he cant compete at that level so this was his swansong
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Secondly we would of run faster if we left Deon on the last leg and Cedenio on third. I have yet to see Deon give up a lead in a 4x400 . Cedenio is good at running people down but Deon is good at staying in front
Plus I honestly don't see Solomon making the team I expect Jereem at south plains to surpass himI expect him to finish sixth or seventh
Socapro your theory is lacking and is unfair cause you are comparing quow first leg with jarrin second leg. The first leg is always the slowest leg. Your argument lacks cause you state replace quow. If that is the case your logic of not putting jarrin on first indicates to me that he cant run the first leg. So why not put quow on second and jarrin first and then compare Times. If you bringing stats in an argument at least be fair and match like with like. Relay beast lets examine his split at world relays final and pan am games what were those split. As to referring to him as a relay beast and yet quow who for years have been Mr dependable you ignore his contribution. Are we sometimes so blinded that we look at things from a skewed point of view.
I am reading these comments and i am trying to understand what is the angle that Mr Solomon's supporter is coming from.Let me start by saying that in my opinion the three best quarter milers were selected to run the individual 400m. it is hard not to sympathise with Solomon, he finished 2nd at the national championship yet to other runners were selected ahead of him in the individual race. Quow had a poor 4x400m heat, and was running progressively slower 44.54, 44.98, and 45.9 i think. solomon was rested ran a good leg and i think split faster than Lendore yet was not selected to run in the final. The National Championship is compulsory but it seems beating someone in head to head competition there carries little or no weight. In Britain the top two in their trials are automatically selected provided that they have the qualifying time and the final slot is left to the selectors. Only a very few athletes will ever win an individual world or olympic medal so competing at a global championship or running in a relay final .may be the highlight of someones career. Sadly if everyone is fit next year i don't think Solomon will get that opportunity.
He is at best our 5th best quarter miler, but his role cannot be discounted. He is a valuable member through the rounds.
I get the impression that he is a glory seeker since he wants the individual 400m even though deep down inside he knows hes not in our top 3.
The fact that our National trials are NOT the set in stone criteria for selection makes any point about his '2nd place' finish moot.
We dont have the depth to turn away athletes who are disqualified (Cedinio) or injured (Lendore) for our trials. He should do like Lalonde Gordan and let his feet do the talking since Lalonde's performance in the NACAC games was what was used to pip Solomon for the 3rd spot.
What is sad is that he has a PB of 44.98 and saw men running 44.9 and not even making it out the first round but still talkin about how he was ready to run 44.5...........lol
You ah friggin gain!!!
By running in the heats didn't Solomon receive a silver medal as well (though not on the podium)?The man receive a silver and vex because he was not in the final, How the rest of the team should feel because it seems his personal ambition goes before team ambition, I can recall his words on the national finals as he said this is about business. So I guess him participating will help him get more meets cause on his times alone it will not have many organisers calling him , but if he was in the finals that would help him better financially. My problem is it is about what is best for him and not for Trinidad and Tobago, How patriotic is that. Why he don't use this to motivate him to run faster , Socapro do you really think he can run 44.5. He has peaked at 44.98 and he just does not have the goods , I think maybe he can think in changing to the 800m and see if he can be world class in that area. He reiminds me of Nicklas Bendtner believes he is the best in the world but in reality he is not at that level. He needs to stop being dillusional.
The NAAA could have prevented all of this by simply and clearly communicating their selection policy, if not to the public, at least to the athletes invited to run in the National Championships. Once that is done athletes will know their rights, options and adjust their expectations.
I prefer some flexibility given the size of our world class talent pool and the likelihood of non-severe injuries near selection time (e.g. Lendore). There should however (like the UK) be some assurance of selection (top 1 or 2 inside the standard); but added to that, policy that addresses the eventuality of automatic selections getting injured after the championships, or suffering a marked drop in form leading up to the global games (before the submitting of the final participation roster).
The same should be documented and communicated for the 4x100m relay, as it is possible that the optimal team may come from a mixture of 100m and 200m athletes if both championship finals produced high caliber performances.
If Solomon was told that the top 3 would compete in the individual 400m and the relay final, then by right he should complain about his non-selection. But if the NAAA made it clear that it would be the coach's responsibility/call then as seemingly unfair as it played out, he should abide, show that they were wrong by his performances on the circuit after the WCs, or suck salt, buckle down and avoid the same in 2016.
The remaining caveat of course is that a relay coach is selected who exhibits NON-BIAS, as in the past some teams were comprised of athletes from THEIR OWN club over others, that ended in performances detrimental to the country's medal chances.
By running in the heats didn't Solomon receive a silver medal as well (though not on the podium)?The man receive a silver and vex because he was not in the final, How the rest of the team should feel because it seems his personal ambition goes before team ambition, I can recall his words on the national finals as he said this is about business. So I guess him participating will help him get more meets cause on his times alone it will not have many organisers calling him , but if he was in the finals that would help him better financially. My problem is it is about what is best for him and not for Trinidad and Tobago, How patriotic is that. Why he don't use this to motivate him to run faster , Socapro do you really think he can run 44.5. He has peaked at 44.98 and he just does not have the goods , I think maybe he can think in changing to the 800m and see if he can be world class in that area. He reiminds me of Nicklas Bendtner believes he is the best in the world but in reality he is not at that level. He needs to stop being dillusional.
The NAAA could have prevented all of this by simply and clearly communicating their selection policy, if not to the public, at least to the athletes invited to run in the National Championships. Once that is done athletes will know their rights, options and adjust their expectations.
I prefer some flexibility given the size of our world class talent pool and the likelihood of non-severe injuries near selection time (e.g. Lendore). There should however (like the UK) be some assurance of selection (top 1 or 2 inside the standard); but added to that, policy that addresses the eventuality of automatic selections getting injured after the championships, or suffering a marked drop in form leading up to the global games (before the submitting of the final participation roster).
The same should be documented and communicated for the 4x100m relay, as it is possible that the optimal team may come from a mixture of 100m and 200m athletes if both championship finals produced high caliber performances.
If Solomon was told that the top 3 would compete in the individual 400m and the relay final, then by right he should complain about his non-selection. But if the NAAA made it clear that it would be the coach's responsibility/call then as seemingly unfair as it played out, he should abide, show that they were wrong by his performances on the circuit after the WCs, or suck salt, buckle down and avoid the same in 2016.
The remaining caveat of course is that a relay coach is selected who exhibits NON-BIAS, as in the past some teams were comprised of athletes from THEIR OWN club over others, that ended in performances detrimental to the country's medal chances.
HA ppl knowledge so LITTLE (SOCAPRO) that u comparing a first leg split of 44.9 to a 44.5 leg split of another leg ? it's completely off... first leg has to go in the blocks.. while the other legs have a running start which can give u a .50 to 1 second advantage on the other 3 legs compared to the 1st leg..
44.9 on a first leg basically means u ran that in an open 400... other legs split cant be compared to it... EDUCATED YOURSELF SOCAPRO...
44.8 by deon in the finals and 44.5 by jarrin in the heats, if that was on a first let would have probably been 45.0/2
You lack a lot knowledge.. actually GO CHECK THE OFFICIAL SPLITS socapro.. quow handed off the baton in 6th place in the heats... not last..... so im confused how u said solomon moved up to 6th.. so how much ground did he actually make up ...
Everything you are saying are based on hopes... and fantasties.. and dreams... no one knows what would have happened or predict who would have ran what in the finals... which is why ppl are telling u its pointless to compare or sugggest if someone ran it would have been better. Based upon the 45.9 Quow ran in the heats.. did anyone expect him to run 44.9 in the finals an entire second faster ? NO ... so u can't predict what will happen or would have happened its pointless.... As for u saying we could have won Gold.. Lashawn's style and Cedenio's style of running is completely different.. Lashawn is 43.6 at his best... Cedenio is 44.3... Even if we gave Cedenio a 40m lead opposed to the 5-10m lead he got... there is no telling that Cedenio would have beaten Lashawn... how many athletes have beaten lashawn on an achor ? even the ones who had a big lead on anchor ? I'll wait for that response ...
Had we gone with your team in the finals ? ahhahah hilarious... ok COACH !!! LOL
I am not watching video footage sir lol.... im using the official splits.. It seems u only wanna use the official splits when it benefits u .. hilarious...
Everything you are saying are based on hopes... and fantasties.. and dreams... no one knows what would have happened or predict who would have ran what in the finals... which is why ppl are telling u its pointless to compare or sugggest if someone ran it would have been better. Based upon the 45.9 Quow ran in the heats.. did anyone expect him to run 44.9 in the finals an entire second faster ? NO ... so u can't predict what will happen or would have happened its pointless.... As for u saying we could have won Gold.. Lashawn's style and Cedenio's style of running is completely different.. Lashawn is 43.6 at his best... Cedenio is 44.3... Even if we gave Cedenio a 40m lead opposed to the 5-10m lead he got... there is no telling that Cedenio would have beaten Lashawn... how many athletes have beaten lashawn on an achor ? even the ones who had a big lead on anchor ? I'll wait for that response ...
Had we gone with your team in the finals ? ahhahah hilarious... ok COACH !!! LOL
You seem to love to fight talk. I said I was satisfied with how our guys ran in the 4x4 Final but I still believe that my team playing to the individual strengths of our quarter-milers if selected could have ran a bit faster time and given USA a closer run for gold.
My assessment is based upon my belief that Lalonde Gordon would have given us a stronger first leg than Quow did in the final and that a fresh Solomon would have given us a stronger 2nd leg than a tired Quow would. My argument is based on logic but no need to hurt your head because I am satisfied with how everyone performed in the final and we did mine silver behind the USA.
If logic was used all the time to decide how someone would perform in the finals.... then betting on races/sports would be so much easier. lol
who said anything about BBC maam ? lol he said it on twitter... CASE CLOSED... You're right.. I am bored lol.
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Socapro. I know you are a moderator but your judgement seems to be clouded when it comes to Jarrin Solomon. Plus your logic seem to waver with time. As I can recall you calling for the replacement of lalonde on first leg duties due to his poor showing running first leg in relays. You suggested moving quow to first and putting lalonde second. Now for the sake of argument you are saying lalonde would of run a faster first leg. Tell me in all the relays we have seen lalonde run that him running first leg was impressive. Be consistent with your analogies. I have to agree with carterz file. The basis of your argument lack credibility. For instance in World relays Jarrin ran a superb semifinal but come the finals he did not produce. Yet you basically guaranteeing he would of run fast leg. How can that be logical. Just for the record can you point me to the stats in a meet where Solomon clock both 44.5 seconds on a relay leg in semis and final. I am in no way trying to show you up.I am just trying to get a fair assessment. If Bledman or Darrel Brown had set they had plan to run 9.6 s at worlds would you believe them or would you state based on what you have seen from them that it is not possible. Solomon is fifth best 400m runner and is nearly a whole half second away from the quartet. This whole argument makes no sense as Solomon is in a lower class.
The logic being displayed by Socapro confuses me.
You champion the cause for Solomon based on his 2nd place finish at the National Championships so u think that he should have run in the final in front of the man who placed 1st at the very same Championships???
The four men in the final are easily our best 400m runners.
Solomon had his chance at the Pan Am Games to show form and didnt.
Lendore, Cedenio and Gordon are our top 3 400m runners. The final spot is between Quow and Solomon and that in itself is an easy choice.
Let me reiterate that Solomon is a very important member of our 400m squad, but there can be no sentiment where the individual is concerned.
If Quow and Santos (DR) can run 44.5 or faster then so can Solomon as they are all around the same height and built in regards to tools for the job. Its all about training, speed endurance, race strategy and mind set. Regards Solomon trying his hand at the 800m as you suggest to see if he can be world class in that event, its an idea but I doubt he will be able to tally with the top Kenyans to become world class in that event.
If Quow and Santos (DR) can run 44.5 or faster then so can Solomon as they are all around the same height and built in regards to tools for the job. Its all about training, speed endurance, race strategy and mind set. Regards Solomon trying his hand at the 800m as you suggest to see if he can be world class in that event, its an idea but I doubt he will be able to tally with the top Kenyans to become world class in that event.
Soca,You have made a lot of good points in your arguments about the merits of Jarrin Solomon, but this one baffles me. Is that what it takes? height and build? Reminds me of the biblical passage, " Man looks on the outward appearance.." Much more than those two things are physiology and psychology. Muscle function, and mindset, some of which can be trained or develops but on a natural basis of genetics. So do you think everyone who has the same height and built as Bolt can run the same times if trained? It is far more complicated than that.
Andre Samuel it makes no sense arguing with socapro. As much as everyone else can see the fact. Getting him to see things logically is a waste of time. I asked for him to show back to back 44.5 splits and he post up videos yet he left out the splits as it will not support his claim. Does it make sense arguing when it is clear that he is alone on this jarrin Solomon should of been in the final BS. It comes just like politics in Trinidad don't matter the facts we are prone to blindly support even though facts dictate we should not. So take win socapro stay in your ignorance. Who would thought winning a silver at world's would turn into a debate about jarrin Solomon being as he put it politically abused. So instead of being about winning silver it has turned into the abuse of jarrin Solomon. I guess one man is truly bigger than the team as we are having this debate for a 44 second challenge sprinter. What is his rank in the 400 this year.Socapro sorry for doubting your world class sprinter jarrin Solomon is the damn clock and competitors that have him running 45. Damn this system. Fight the power Jarrin Solomon you are our number one 400 runner. Don't study time is just a number what you think you can do is all that matter
Talk sense from nonsense how can we time splits when each leg is different and based on the competition, plus a second leg split that is from a standing position indicates that you can run a 44.5 from start to finish in a flat 400m then RT should run 9.3s in the 100 cause he clocked those splits many times anchoring the Trinidad 4x100m team. Why stop their Allyson Felix should be clocking 47 in 400 cause she run it in 4x400 splits. Quow and Solomon run on the same team different legs comparing leg splits disregarding the legs that they had to run is utter madness. The only way you can see who is better is to put them in a flat 400m race where quow has proven to be better. You can only compare legs based on the relay splits of everyone on the same leg in the same race. Stop the idiotic logic and stop playing smart with foolishness.
Socapro you know what is real funny you posting the 44.5 split of Jarrin Solomon to justify your point so I decided to take a look at it and compare it to the rest of teams in the same heat 2nd leg runners. To my utter surprise only brazil and Ireland ran slower splits. Do you want me to post the link or did you ignored that fact for the sake of argument. So a man who ran the sixth fastest in his leg in the semis in virtue of that performance and seeing that he was fresh deserves a place in the finals.
Lets give you stats courtesy iaaf second leg splits Tony Mc Quay 44.0 Jarrin Solomon 44.5 Ricardo Chambers 44.1 Raidel Acea 44.4 Nijel Amos 44.1 Yon Soriano 43.8 Wagner Cardoso 44.9 Brian murphy 45.2. Plus according to the stats in iaaf Quow actually handed off the baton joint 5th so Solomon did not battle upward from last to bring us 6th he actually dropped us from 5th to 6th. Don't attack me attack iaaf these stats are courtesy them. http://www.iaaf.org/competitions/iaaf-world-championships/15th-iaaf-world-championships-4875/results/men/4x400-metres-relay/heats/result#resultheader
Check the race analysis as to support my argument.
Why everyone against Jarrin Solomon, Even the IAAF doctored times to make him look bad :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :banginghead: :banginghead: :banginghead: :banginghead:
.... Just to deviate from a discussion which is really not going to be resolved here .....what caused so many disappointments at the WG ? Injuries ? training ? nutrition ? pollution ? general lack of preparedness ? Ato mentioned something which I believe is significant in determining why we did not get more medals .... " Michele was running earlier what she needed to be running now " same could be said for Keshorn with his throws ....
Bolt is tuned to the minute ...are we guilty of bad timing for major events ? is the diamond league putting pressure on our athletes to peak before the majors ?
Just a thought ...
Why everyone against Jarrin Solomon, Even the IAAF doctored times to make him look bad :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :banginghead: :banginghead: :banginghead: :banginghead:
Bravo what an excellent moderator we have for this forum who has moved to calling me a clown because I disagree with his faulty reasoning or logic. I said Solomon 44.5 in context with others who ran the same leg as him in the same heat in the same condition his 44.5 does not cut it . Your argument is if you take 1 sec from quow time in the semis it equates to 44.9 so because of that Solomon should of run the final. But what is weird is that you are saying the team would of run faster in the line up you put up . Using your same peculiar sense of logic if I take renny 44.9 in the final and minus the one second that gives me 43.9 . I keep wondering where are we as a society or what kind of individual we are if people resort to calling names because of the fact others don't agree with your logic. Bravo Bravo what a moderator. I must ask who moderates the moderator or is it that when you reach that status you are free to say whatever you like without censorship
I'm happy that our pool of 400m runners is deep. I think this argument about relay selection will trickle into the other relay events where. On the women's relay, only 3 spots will be secured once Hackett continues to improve. Whoever runs low 11 out of these four (Thomas, Selvon, St Forte or Durant )will get the spot on the relay team.