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Title: TTFA refute Sancho's statement.
Post by: Flex on July 11, 2015, 03:00:59 PM
TTFA refute Sancho's statement.
By Inshan Mohammed.


The Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) today, released a statement regarding Minister of Sport, Brent Sancho's claim that the organization has not been forthcoming regarding funds received from CONCACAF.

Minister Sancho told Wired868.com CEO and Editor Lasana Liburd: “I am drawing the line in the sand,” and suggested that the TTFA was being less than forthright about its true financial position. We want to try our best to make the athletes happy but this is a song that has been playing for donkey years…

“If one party is seemingly not operating in the most honest way, then we have a problem.”

“They told us that they only had $13,000 (TT) in their account so they couldn’t pay for visas for the Under-23 Team,” said Sancho “but one of the challenges we have is gauging what they have and what they don’t have because we got information that they received $100,000 US from CONCACAF.

“Then, when they knew we were aware of it, they said they would get the money at the end of July. Then, when we asked why preparatory money would only be available after the tournament, they came back and said they would get it by the end of the week, ended Sancho."

Furthermore, if T&T book a quarter-final spot in the 2015 CONCACAF Gold Cup, local fans will be hit the hardest as the T&T Government failed to land television rights for the entire competition. The rights normally cost US$100,000. CONCACAF, reportedly dropped its asking price to US$60,000 for both Trinidad and Tobago and Haiti. Local television stations, including state-owned CNMG and GISL found the asking price to be a sum not worth streaming.

The TTFA meanwhile refute Sancho's statement and issued a press release that shed-light on the Minister's accusations.

TTFA PRESS RELEASE -
 
The TTFA wishes to emphatically rebut recent assertions made by Minister of Sport, Brent Sancho, claiming our organization has not been forthcoming regarding supporting funds received from CONCACAF. 
 
By way of written communication and via meetings between representatives of the Ministry and TTFA, the Ministry was alerted to funds available to TTFA from CONCACAF. It is clear, however, that the Ministry has not taken into consideration CONCACAF funds received would be shared among several of our national teams and not solely preserved for the Senior Men’s National Team. 
 
The TTFA has received $71,000 USD from CONCACAF for use by our national teams currently in training and competition. 
 
Of the $71,000 received, $25,161.14 USD has been used to support the travel-related expenses of our senior men’s team, U23 men’s team, U17 women’s team, and U20 women’s team. In anticipation of the disbursement from the Cabinet note that was specifically earmarked for the Senior Men's National, the TTFA sought to provide funding for other lower profile, but equally important national teams
 
These expenses include US visa payments, lodging, excess baggage fees, medical supplies for travel, and insurance. Therefore and contrary to a building narrative pushed, the TTFA was successful in sourcing alternative funding to support its teams in an effort to reduce dependency on the Ministry. 
 
Despite our best efforts, communication with the Ministry continues to be an issue. We have worked with members of the Ministry who have, at heart, the best interests of T&T football and the TTFA will continue to work assiduously with the Ministry to achieve these common objectives. However, it is vital for the two entities to work together on behalf of the national team players and technical staff who represent our twin island republic. 
 
We have engaged in successful collaboration with the Ministry of Sports in the past and recently received tremendous support from the Ministry of Finance and Ministry of National Security in obtaining duties waivers for our national team kit. 
 
However, since Minister Sancho’s appointment, recent incidents, including what can only be described as a coercive action where the ministry threatened at the last minute to withhold funding for our March friendly against Panama unless the TTFA accepted responsibility for a $625,000 travel bill authorized by the Ministry in 2014, have created an environment that is not conducive to working together on behalf of our national footballers and technical staff.
 
Since the new TTFA administration took office, we have confronted numerous fiscal challenges inherited from the previous TTFF administrations with a solid plan to address the financial health of the organization. 
 
We have managed to successfully engage in an aggressive debt reduction effort that has seen TTFA debt reduced from the $36 million that was met to currently $13 million in the space of 18 months. We have engaged KPMG to restart their efforts in organizing TTFF audit reports; which were discontinued in 2008 and have authorized our audit partners to publish the completed reports from 2008 – 2014, which will be a first for the organization. 
 
At the end of July, the TTFA will unveil its new brand, Socawarriors, to the public and the purpose will be utilize the revenue stream developed from Socawarriors gear sales to support national team players and technical staff in an effort to further reduce our dependence on government to compensate the two most vital pillars of the football family. 
 
The TTFA has continuously stated its desire to work with the Ministry of Sport as a partner in advancing our football on the international level. We are hopeful the Minister can recall his days as a national footballer pushing to solicit support from the government, private sector, and the governing body for the benefit of his teammates. Minister Sancho is now in the position to assist the TTFA in providing the same benefits and opportunities to current national team players he sought in his playing days. It is our hope that patriotism above politics will win out and the spirit of cooperation will prevail for the advancement of football, the game we all love, in Trinidad and Tobago.

TTFA USE OF CONCACAF TRAVEL FUND AND GOLD CUP ADVANCE (USD)

VISA PAYMENTS - $4,192.50
BAGGAGE CHARGES - $1,493.74
INSURANCE - $1,744.37
GROUND TRANSPORTATION - $2,546.87
MEALS - $1,269.60
MEDICAL SUPPLIES - $5,950.31
TRAVEL KIT - $2,851.25
LODGING - $5,112.50
MATCH FEES - $33,000.00


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Title: Re: TTFA refute Sancho's statement.
Post by: lefty on July 11, 2015, 04:13:07 PM
see dis nonsense........both parties have to be playin games.......but I doh cares what FS try to spin, brent playin d ass too.......talk done
Title: Re: TTFA refute Sancho's statement.
Post by: kounty on July 11, 2015, 05:10:48 PM
TTFA refute Sancho's statement.
By Inshan Mohammed.

 In anticipation of the disbursement from the Cabinet note that was specifically earmarked for the Senior Men's National, the TTFA sought to provide funding for other lower profile, but equally important national teams
 

However, since Minister Sancho’s appointment, recent incidents, including what can only be described as a coercive action where the ministry threatened at the last minute to withhold funding for our March friendly against Panama unless the TTFA accepted responsibility for a $625,000 travel bill authorized by the Ministry in 2014, have created an environment that is not conducive to working together on behalf of our national footballers and technical staff.
 

I know we is all idiots, so I trying to read through the lines.
From the top quote TTFA saying: "is all good if the cabinet note say this is for senior mens team" we doing a good thing by spreading the money to all the teams.

While the apparent haziness of the Gold Cup preparation , money, lumped into a narrative of 'money we get from CONCACAF'.
Of course no one privy to how CONCACAF itemize the money sent to TTFA, and Sancho saying, you will never let us know the true amount.

All this on the heels of an organization that has the TRUST of noone, with virtually all of its former leaders facing decades in prison. All of these leaders using this same 'fuzzy pot of money here and there' shifting to steal millions. In light of that Timkee and Sheldon CANNOT just stare at us and say send us the money. Sorry. I support the scrutiny. And yes I know politics at play.


The second blue one...Is that the trip where the goalkeeper coach get leave back and all kinda man end up in the lime? Look how long now and nobody ever spell it out for we, now you want we to sympathize that Snacho strong-arming you. steups.  Fight it out fellas.
Title: Re: TTFA refute Sancho's statement.
Post by: lefty on July 11, 2015, 05:25:01 PM
TTFA refute Sancho's statement.
By Inshan Mohammed.

 In anticipation of the disbursement from the Cabinet note that was specifically earmarked for the Senior Men's National, the TTFA sought to provide funding for other lower profile, but equally important national teams
 

However, since Minister Sancho’s appointment, recent incidents, including what can only be described as a coercive action where the ministry threatened at the last minute to withhold funding for our March friendly against Panama unless the TTFA accepted responsibility for a $625,000 travel bill authorized by the Ministry in 2014, have created an environment that is not conducive to working together on behalf of our national footballers and technical staff.
 

I know we is all idiots, so I trying to read through the lines.
From the top quote TTFA saying: "is all good if the cabinet note say this is for senior mens team" we doing a good thing by spreading the money to all the teams.

While the apparent haziness of the Gold Cup preparation , money, lumped into a narrative of 'money we get from CONCACAF'.
Of course no one privy to how CONCACAF itemize the money sent to TTFA, and Sancho saying, you will never let us know the true amount.

All this on the heels of an organization that has the TRUST of noone, with virtually all of its former leaders facing decades in prison. All of these leaders using this same 'fuzzy pot of money here and there' shifting to steal millions. In light of that Timkee and Sheldon CANNOT just stare at us and say send us the money. Sorry. I support the scrutiny. And yes I know politics at play.


The second blue one...Is that the trip where the goalkeeper coach get leave back and all kinda man end up in the lime? Look how long now and nobody ever spell it out for we, now you want we to sympathize that Snacho strong-arming you. steups.  Fight it out fellas.

I support scrutiny........but why should scrutiny always have an underlying hint of sabotage.....that is my question
Title: Re: TTFA refute Sancho's statement.
Post by: Sando on July 11, 2015, 06:24:59 PM
I am glad the TTFA came out with ths release.

Sancho is an egg head.

And FS, what's your take on this?

Title: Re: TTFA refute Sancho's statement.
Post by: pull stones on July 12, 2015, 12:00:50 AM
i am really disappointed in brent. i remember when he played for gills him and the other bloke from wrexham was friends with one of my close mates and they would lament about the moneys owed and the crappy way warner and the ministry of sports directed business with the national team, now he's doing the same thing.
Title: Re: TTFA refute Sancho's statement.
Post by: pops on July 12, 2015, 12:31:32 AM
these people are really stupid. so the ttfa ask for money for the senior team, get the money they requested and proceeded to spend it on other stuff. That cannot be legal. I am sure before the money, they had to say what the money was used for. I am sorry if you support Tim Kee and this madness. Before Sancho was ever the minister the team had been disgusted with the fa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtEpp6Uo68Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejUXWNBxfHs


This is from the players mouth. If you know anyone one the team you will know how much they can't stand tim kee. Those both interview were before Sancho was ever minister of sport. The ttfa cant b dependent on every cent from the government that is not how it works, not at all. If Jamaica can get over a million dollars from Coca Cola why can't we get a dollar from Guardian Life lol. He is by far the worst, TTFA president of all time. What has he done? But ask for money for the government. I have seen us forfeit our nation youth teams, Send a womens team with $500 dollars alone, send the team to Argentina without proper accommodation, Banned from several hotels, send the team to Argentina without a physio while Tim Kee was on the flight.All of this before Sancho was ever there. Open up you eyes people. Forget PNM and UNC if this man is incharge of anything in our beloved country we are in a bad bad place.
Title: Re: TTFA refute Sancho's statement.
Post by: Sam on July 12, 2015, 08:17:30 AM
Sancho, your move?

Or will you sit there and continue to bark with nothing to back it up.

You asking for de TTFA to come clean about the funds, well, look it here.

What else yuh need?

And on de flip side, we keep hearing de TTFA doing this and that for de longest, wha they waiting on?

FS say they use de money they was suppose to wrap they mobile store with and de van park up.

De TTFA need to plan things out better.

Anybody see meh boy FS lately?

Title: Re: TTFA refute Sancho's statement.
Post by: lefty on July 12, 2015, 08:38:27 AM
pops could talk till he/she blue in d face shit flowing from both sides, as it regards truth and accountability and the game suffering for it............I am well aware of the disorganization that plaguing d TTFA, but the ministry has been playing games since Anil days so doh tell me dat shit not political because it is and the gov't made it that way......say way yuh want.....ah might be stupid as u say but I ent blind.......All people shit does smell d same way,............ stink...............and brent shovelin' heaps of it same as Timkee and running d same political games Anill started......
Title: Re: TTFA refute Sancho's statement.
Post by: King Deese on July 12, 2015, 02:45:27 PM
When the status was quo, the TTFF and Jack Warner, along with Tim Tee qnd the crew that make up the Casperian comittee, did not have any problems. Money was passing like water, but now the MOS refuse to go along just to get along with the status quo, Tim Tee crying foul. You know what Brent demand transparency. No free money. All the shit Tim Tee and the Phillips man talking about, new brand this and initiative that, is just that, talk, and ole talk at that. Brent I am with you on this one. You are the man.
Title: Re: TTFA refute Sancho's statement.
Post by: pull stones on July 12, 2015, 03:12:09 PM
When the status was quo, the TTFF and Jack Warner, along with Tim Tee qnd the crew that make up the Casperian comittee, did not have any problems. Money was passing like water, but now the MOS refuse to go along just to get along with the status quo, Tim Tee crying foul. You know what Brent demand transparency. No free money. All the shit Tim Tee and the Phillips man talking about, new brand this and initiative that, is just that, talk, and ole talk at that. Brent I am with you on this one. You are the man.
while we understand all that and yes there might be some talk without fruition, i still believe that brent should know better than to starve the team on a competitive tour especially since he was once a baller on the MNT. as the saying goes who feels it know it. i think brent sancho is very antagonistic towards football in trinidad and tobago and does not want to work with the TTFA for whatever reason, be it that he is lining up his mate to run the federation and timkee stands in the way or for whatever reason, or maybe he has aspirations of doing the job himself, whatever the motive it seems like he is adamant about sabotaging this present administration even if it makes him look like an absolute twit in the process.
Title: Re: TTFA refute Sancho's statement.
Post by: vb on July 12, 2015, 04:55:41 PM
If the TTFF had shown this kind of communication skills during the last  15 years, they would be in a totally different situation today.

I am glad TK spoke up but he seems only to do so when his back is up against a wall.

VB
Title: Re: TTFA refute Sancho's statement.
Post by: Deeks on July 12, 2015, 06:47:34 PM
If the TTFF had shown this kind of communication skills during the last  15 years, they would be in a totally different situation today.

I am glad TK spoke up but he seems only to do so when his back is up against a wall.

VB

VB, the last two with TIM Kee, we can probably get some kind of accountability. The previous 13, when Jack  was asked  a question. He would reply that he was only an advisor. When you asked Camps, he would refer  to the special advisor, who would tell you to ask your mudder, if you persisted.
Title: Re: TTFA refute Sancho's statement.
Post by: Football supporter on July 13, 2015, 05:45:27 AM
I am glad the TTFA came out with ths release.

Sancho is an egg head.

And FS, what's your take on this?


these people are really stupid. so the ttfa ask for money for the senior team, get the money they requested and proceeded to spend it on other stuff. That cannot be legal. I am sure before the money, they had to say what the money was used for. I am sorry if you support Tim Kee and this madness. Before Sancho was ever the minister the team had been disgusted with the fa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtEpp6Uo68Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejUXWNBxfHs


This is from the players mouth. If you know anyone one the team you will know how much they can't stand tim kee. Those both interview were before Sancho was ever minister of sport. The ttfa cant b dependent on every cent from the government that is not how it works, not at all. If Jamaica can get over a million dollars from Coca Cola why can't we get a dollar from Guardian Life lol. He is by far the worst, TTFA president of all time. What has he done? But ask for money for the government. I have seen us forfeit our nation youth teams, Send a womens team with $500 dollars alone, send the team to Argentina without proper accommodation, Banned from several hotels, send the team to Argentina without a physio while Tim Kee was on the flight.All of this before Sancho was ever there. Open up you eyes people. Forget PNM and UNC if this man is incharge of anything in our beloved country we are in a bad bad place.


I don't think there is any belief that laws have been broken. TTFA presented a budget and claimed their pockets were empty. Then it was discovered that TTFA received money from CONCACAF for Gold Cup travel and a qualifying bonus. They decided to use this for other purposes, which I guess is their choice. The real question should be: why did they not utilise this money for the U23 visas and why are they still requesting money via emails from USA for laundry etc? And the big question: Next time they claim they are broke why should the Minister of Sport (whoever that may be) believe them? 
Title: Re: TTFA refute Sancho's statement.
Post by: Football supporter on July 13, 2015, 05:46:48 AM
Sancho, your move?

Or will you sit there and continue to bark with nothing to back it up.

You asking for de TTFA to come clean about the funds, well, look it here.

What else yuh need?

And on de flip side, we keep hearing de TTFA doing this and that for de longest, wha they waiting on?

FS say they use de money they was suppose to wrap they mobile store with and de van park up.

De TTFA need to plan things out better.

Anybody see meh boy FS lately?



Ah here Sam. Had internet problems over weekend!
Title: Re: TTFA refute Sancho's statement.
Post by: Football supporter on July 13, 2015, 05:50:29 AM
pops could talk till he/she blue in d face shit flowing from both sides, as it regards truth and accountability and the game suffering for it............I am well aware of the disorganization that plaguing d TTFA, but the ministry has been playing games since Anil days so doh tell me dat shit not political because it is and the gov't made it that way......say way yuh want.....ah might be stupid as u say but I ent blind.......All people shit does smell d same way,............ stink...............and brent shovelin' heaps of it same as Timkee and running d same political games Anill started......

You need to figure out why this is: but the ministry has been playing games since Anil days  Maybe there's a common denominator. Three Minister's of Sport, one TTFA President.  ::)
Title: Re: TTFA refute Sancho's statement.
Post by: Flex on July 13, 2015, 06:11:24 AM
Patriotism before politics TTFA defends its money-spending (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20150712/sports/patriotism-before-politics-ttfa-defends-its-money-spending)

(http://www.trinidadexpress.com/storyimage/TT/20150712/SPORTS/150719851/AR/0/AR-150719851.jpg&MaxW=730&imageversion=Article)
Title: Re: TTFA refute Sancho's statement.
Post by: Sam on July 13, 2015, 07:35:33 AM
pops could talk till he/she blue in d face shit flowing from both sides, as it regards truth and accountability and the game suffering for it............I am well aware of the disorganization that plaguing d TTFA, but the ministry has been playing games since Anil days so doh tell me dat shit not political because it is and the gov't made it that way......say way yuh want.....ah might be stupid as u say but I ent blind.......All people shit does smell d same way,............ stink...............and brent shovelin' heaps of it same as Timkee and running d same political games Anill started......

You need to figure out why this is: but the ministry has been playing games since Anil days  Maybe there's a common denominator. Three Minister's of Sport, one TTFA President.  ::)

So it personal then?

Let me finish yuh sentence.

3 minister of sports under de PP government.

And Griffith didn't give them de 9.9 mill Sancho refusing to pay?

Anil didn't help out either?

Sancho helping foreigners to come play in T&T, food, house, transportation, big pay etc and WOLF players eating rice and butter and we men team traveling in ole PTSC maxis.

Allyuh good we.

Title: Re: TTFA refute Sancho's statement.
Post by: Football supporter on July 13, 2015, 08:01:42 AM
pops could talk till he/she blue in d face shit flowing from both sides, as it regards truth and accountability and the game suffering for it............I am well aware of the disorganization that plaguing d TTFA, but the ministry has been playing games since Anil days so doh tell me dat shit not political because it is and the gov't made it that way......say way yuh want.....ah might be stupid as u say but I ent blind.......All people shit does smell d same way,............ stink...............and brent shovelin' heaps of it same as Timkee and running d same political games Anill started......

You need to figure out why this is: but the ministry has been playing games since Anil days  Maybe there's a common denominator. Three Minister's of Sport, one TTFA President.  ::)

So it personal then?

Let me finish yuh sentence.

3 minister of sports under de PP government.

And Griffith didn't give them de 9.9 mill Sancho refusing to pay?

Anil didn't help out either?

Sancho helping foreigners to come play in T&T, food, house, transportation, big pay etc and WOLF players eating rice and butter and we men team traveling in ole PTSC maxis.

Allyuh good we.



Maybe you're right, Sam. If you check back 3 years, I stated that Tim-Kee getting into politics would be bad for football. However, is it possible that Tim-Kee is just plain useless?

As for the other comments, I think the 9.9 is paid already. Do you believe the girls would have drawn with Argentina if all they had was a handful of 16-0 victories in WoLF?
Title: Re: TTFA refute Sancho's statement.
Post by: Sam on July 13, 2015, 08:08:39 AM
So the 3 games they played in de WPL made them tie Argentina?

Didn't de Women team beat a WPL all star 9-2?

So de foreigners making dollars and de WOLF players getting dimes and pennies and you feel you developing woman football in T&T?

A 6 week league cannot help anything or anyone except short term.

When de WPL is over, back to a 16-0 in WOLF league.

My point ah trying to make is, use de same money and improve de WOLF league.

Title: Re: TTFA refute Sancho's statement.
Post by: Sam on July 13, 2015, 08:10:13 AM
By de way, I see de TTFA sent our a release explaining about de concacaf money Sancho accuse they was hiding.

I wonder what is Sancho think now?

Title: Re: TTFA refute Sancho's statement.
Post by: Arimaman on July 13, 2015, 08:34:49 AM
pops could talk till he/she blue in d face shit flowing from both sides, as it regards truth and accountability and the game suffering for it............I am well aware of the disorganization that plaguing d TTFA, but the ministry has been playing games since Anil days so doh tell me dat shit not political because it is and the gov't made it that way......say way yuh want.....ah might be stupid as u say but I ent blind.......All people shit does smell d same way,............ stink...............and brent shovelin' heaps of it same as Timkee and running d same political games Anill started......

You need to figure out why this is: but the ministry has been playing games since Anil days  Maybe there's a common denominator. Three Minister's of Sport, one TTFA President.  ::)
Yuh know what the common denominator is FS?  One damn Gov't... PP.....
So the 3 games they played in de WPL made them tie Argentina?

Didn't de Women team beat a WPL all star 9-2?

So de foreigners making dollars and de WOLF players getting dimes and pennies and you feel you developing woman football in T&T?

A 6 week league cannot help anything or anyone except short term.

When de WPL is over, back to a 16-0 in WOLF league.

pops could talk till he/she blue in d face shit flowing from both sides, as it regards truth and accountability and the game suffering for it............I am well aware of the disorganization that plaguing d TTFA, but the ministry has been playing games since Anil days so doh tell me dat shit not political because it is and the gov't made it that way......say way yuh want.....ah might be stupid as u say but I ent blind.......All people shit does smell d same way,............ stink...............and brent shovelin' heaps of it same as Timkee and running d same political games Anill started......

You need to figure out why this is: but the ministry has been playing games since Anil days  Maybe there's a common denominator. Three Minister's of Sport, one TTFA President.  ::)

So it personal then?

Let me finish yuh sentence.

3 minister of sports under de PP government.

And Griffith didn't give them de 9.9 mill Sancho refusing to pay?

Anil didn't help out either?

Sancho helping foreigners to come play in T&T, food, house, transportation, big pay etc and WOLF players eating rice and butter and we men team traveling in ole PTSC maxis.

Allyuh good we.



Maybe you're right, Sam. If you check back 3 years, I stated that Tim-Kee getting into politics would be bad for football. However, is it possible that Tim-Kee is just plain useless?

As for the other comments, I think the 9.9 is paid already. Do you believe the girls would have drawn with Argentina if all they had was a handful of 16-0 victories in WoLF?

Big man yuh cyah be serious with that comment....  Like Sam say, playing 2 or 3 games in made up, hurry up tournament is preparation for the national team?  Wow....my goodness.... Then again, I guess you are saying it better than nothing.
Title: Re: TTFA refute Sancho's statement.
Post by: lefty on July 13, 2015, 08:35:58 AM

Maybe you're right, Sam.
If you check back 3 years, I stated that Tim-Kee getting into politics would be bad for football.


but jack was in politics......no friend of yours, I know, but why should a man political affiliation be put up as a reason to sabotage a NATIONAL PROGRAM


However, is it possible that Tim-Kee is just plain useless?

He's an arrogant heel most of the time but managed to keep the teams fairly active despite the funding war.......how would u cope if the deck was stacked against you..........after the jack era d FA was practically wiped out......devoid of public trust again, collateral damage from jack, how yuh supposed to build a product d private sector could get behind when yuh being hindered by the only entity with d ability to help yuh out........I not sayin dat Tim kee gets a free pass for his perceived lack of initiative but at d same time.......yuh arm being twisted from d word go......man in NGC talkin with ah ethnic\political head.....all kinda dotishness..........Tim-kee ent d greatest but he playin ah game where d dealer have loaded dice.

Title: Re: TTFA refute Sancho's statement.
Post by: Football supporter on July 13, 2015, 08:51:37 AM

Maybe you're right, Sam.
If you check back 3 years, I stated that Tim-Kee getting into politics would be bad for football.


but jack was in politics......no friend of yours, I know, but why should a man political affiliation be put up as a reason to sabotage a NATIONAL PROGRAM


However, is it possible that Tim-Kee is just plain useless?

He's an arrogant heel most of the time but managed to keep the teams fairly active despite the funding war.......how would u cope if the deck was stacked against you..........after the jack era d FA was practically wiped out......devoid of public trust again, collateral damage from jack, how yuh supposed to build a product d private sector could get behind when yuh being hindered by the only entity with d ability to help yuh out........I not sayin dat Tim kee gets a free pass for his perceived lack of initiative but at d same time.......yuh arm being twisted from d word go......man in NGC talkin with ah ethnic\political head.....all kinda dotishness..........Tim-kee ent d greatest but he playin ah game where d dealer have loaded dice.


Maybe it's not the same, but hear this...when we started Central F.C. we were refused subvention by Anil. That put us $83,000 behind other clubs. Once stories began coming out about SIS, sponsors we approached wanted to support us but refused because they did not want to be associated. Yet we still found lots of ways to attract funding. Lots of companies came on board the WPL. We even had an approach from a company owned by a PNM candidate for the 2010 election. My point is, if TTFA are fighting bias from PP companies, why doesn't Tim-Kee approach PNM supporters? As Mayor, he must rub shoulders with many big hitters.  I know one company that we worked with who turned away once Brent became MoS, so why have they not approached TTFA? Why doesn't Guardian Life support TTFA? Why keep promising to pay match fees of over $1 million when you have no money? 
Title: Re: TTFA refute Sancho's statement.
Post by: lefty on July 13, 2015, 09:07:13 AM

Maybe you're right, Sam.
If you check back 3 years, I stated that Tim-Kee getting into politics would be bad for football.


but jack was in politics......no friend of yours, I know, but why should a man political affiliation be put up as a reason to sabotage a NATIONAL PROGRAM


However, is it possible that Tim-Kee is just plain useless?

He's an arrogant heel most of the time but managed to keep the teams fairly active despite the funding war.......how would u cope if the deck was stacked against you..........after the jack era d FA was practically wiped out......devoid of public trust again, collateral damage from jack, how yuh supposed to build a product d private sector could get behind when yuh being hindered by the only entity with d ability to help yuh out........I not sayin dat Tim kee gets a free pass for his perceived lack of initiative but at d same time.......yuh arm being twisted from d word go......man in NGC talkin with ah ethnic\political head.....all kinda dotishness..........Tim-kee ent d greatest but he playin ah game where d dealer have loaded dice.


Maybe it's not the same, but hear this...when we started Central F.C. we were refused subvention by Anil. That put us $83,000 behind other clubs. Once stories began coming out about SIS, sponsors we approached wanted to support us but refused because they did not want to be associated. Yet we still found lots of ways to attract funding. Lots of companies came on board the WPL. We even had an approach from a company owned by a PNM candidate for the 2010 election. My point is, if TTFA are fighting bias from PP companies, why doesn't Tim-Kee approach PNM supporters? As Mayor, he must rub shoulders with many big hitters.  I know one company that we worked with who turned away once Brent became MoS, so why have they not approached TTFA? Why doesn't Guardian Life support TTFA? Why keep promising to pay match fees of over $1 million when you have no money? 

there in lies the problem..........we keep sayin dat Timkee politics is one of the reasons he havin issues yet we suggestin dat he take d TTFA further down dat rabbit hole....I understand where yuh comin from re fund raisin.......but trinidad football doh need more political marginalization.

would be better to attract a wide cross section of support.

I can guarantee u dat if by some quirk, we win d tournament it goh have all kinda full page ad congratulating d team.....not least includin d NGC and dis PR addled gov't
Title: Re: TTFA refute Sancho's statement.
Post by: Thomo on July 13, 2015, 11:27:23 AM
FS I ent buying that pal. It's politics (PNM vs UNC) and personal feeling (Sancho vs TTFA/Tim-Kee) dat playing out here, no matter how you try to spin that web to preach otherwise and we de fans suffering. In my opinion a neutral party/person like Flex or Tallman should be used to facilitate communication cause allyuh either ent trust or like each other. If you, Sancho and Tim Kee really care and serious allyuh could offer de olive branch and approach Flex or Tallman. What say you FS??!!
Title: Re: TTFA refute Sancho's statement.
Post by: maxg on July 13, 2015, 12:28:05 PM
you really going to skip the frying pan, and throw "Dem 2 young foreigners" straight in the fire..Wha Flex & Tallman do you ? Hart get plenty liks and still manage a degree of success with the crap, but you sending Flex & Tallman to take from all sides...uh hhuh..they would get plenty big up, and be on the next flight out within a week, unless they have 25 + years to waste.   :rotfl:
Title: Re: TTFA refute Sancho's statement.
Post by: Thomo on July 13, 2015, 12:39:01 PM
It doesn't necessarily have to be them two but anyone who is neutral and has the best interests of TnT and TnT football at heart
you really going to skip the frying pan, and throw "Dem 2 young foreigners" straight in the fire..Wha Flex & Tallman do you ? Hart get plenty liks and still manage a degree of success with the crap, but you sending Flex & Tallman to take from all sides...uh hhuh..they would get plenty big up, and be on the next flight out within a week, unless they have 25 + years to waste.   :rotfl:
Title: Re: TTFA refute Sancho's statement.
Post by: maxg on July 13, 2015, 12:45:23 PM
It doesn't necessarily have to be them two but anyone who is neutral and has the best interests of TnT and TnT football at heart
you really going to skip the frying pan, and throw "Dem 2 young foreigners" straight in the fire..Wha Flex & Tallman do you ? Hart get plenty liks and still manage a degree of success with the crap, but you sending Flex & Tallman to take from all sides...uh hhuh..they would get plenty big up, and be on the next flight out within a week, unless they have 25 + years to waste.   :rotfl:
Even if someone seemingly think they may start in a Neutral position, sooner or later they get shoved into a pigeon hole..or pushed into some bobol of accusations and dirt..You must know how our Government operates by now. mR sPEAKER
Title: Re: TTFA refute Sancho's statement.
Post by: asylumseeker on July 13, 2015, 12:46:41 PM
The unfortunate thing is that despite each side's attempt to get out its message ... the waters are no less muddy.
Title: Re: TTFA refute Sancho's statement.
Post by: maxg on July 13, 2015, 01:54:30 PM
The unfortunate thing is that despite each side's attempt to get out its message ... the waters are no less muddy.
it's quicksand about now, only hope is the hole not to deep, or somebody find a long snake rope ..with our luck if they throw a oxygen tank, it will buss we head
*background music: theme to any Indiana Jones movie*
Title: Re: TTFA refute Sancho's statement.
Post by: Football supporter on July 13, 2015, 03:13:43 PM

Maybe you're right, Sam.
If you check back 3 years, I stated that Tim-Kee getting into politics would be bad for football.


but jack was in politics......no friend of yours, I know, but why should a man political affiliation be put up as a reason to sabotage a NATIONAL PROGRAM


However, is it possible that Tim-Kee is just plain useless?

He's an arrogant heel most of the time but managed to keep the teams fairly active despite the funding war.......how would u cope if the deck was stacked against you..........after the jack era d FA was practically wiped out......devoid of public trust again, collateral damage from jack, how yuh supposed to build a product d private sector could get behind when yuh being hindered by the only entity with d ability to help yuh out........I not sayin dat Tim kee gets a free pass for his perceived lack of initiative but at d same time.......yuh arm being twisted from d word go......man in NGC talkin with ah ethnic\political head.....all kinda dotishness..........Tim-kee ent d greatest but he playin ah game where d dealer have loaded dice.


Maybe it's not the same, but hear this...when we started Central F.C. we were refused subvention by Anil. That put us $83,000 behind other clubs. Once stories began coming out about SIS, sponsors we approached wanted to support us but refused because they did not want to be associated. Yet we still found lots of ways to attract funding. Lots of companies came on board the WPL. We even had an approach from a company owned by a PNM candidate for the 2010 election. My point is, if TTFA are fighting bias from PP companies, why doesn't Tim-Kee approach PNM supporters? As Mayor, he must rub shoulders with many big hitters.  I know one company that we worked with who turned away once Brent became MoS, so why have they not approached TTFA? Why doesn't Guardian Life support TTFA? Why keep promising to pay match fees of over $1 million when you have no money? 

there in lies the problem..........we keep sayin dat Timkee politics is one of the reasons he havin issues yet we suggestin dat he take d TTFA further down dat rabbit hole....I understand where yuh comin from re fund raisin.......but trinidad football doh need more political marginalization.

would be better to attract a wide cross section of support.

I can guarantee u dat if by some quirk, we win d tournament it goh have all kinda full page ad congratulating d team.....not least includin d NGC and dis PR addled gov't


Lefty you're right (lol) But it's Tim-Kee who keeps piping on about NGC asking about yellow jerseys. It may well be true, but the more he goes on about it, the more it resonates with other potential sponsors. The reality is that many big corporates prefer cricket to football. And many of those that prefer football got their fingers burned by Jack. Then, finally, you have those who want to stay politically neutral publicly. And yes, you know there'll be the waggonists at the airport. At least Sancho went to see them off instead of waiting for a victory before waving his flag.
Title: Re: TTFA refute Sancho's statement.
Post by: Controversial on July 13, 2015, 04:56:28 PM
I think people just want the MOS to write cheques and TTFA hasn't been forthright with how they spent the money... Yet people are blaming the MOS... No one has stopped to ask ttfa why they are lying about how much funds they received and who is covering the debts and when can we seethe fully audited books...
Title: Re: TTFA refute Sancho's statement.
Post by: pull stones on July 13, 2015, 05:51:29 PM
I think people just want the MOS to write cheques and TTFA hasn't been forthright with how they spent the money... Yet people are blaming the MOS... No one has stopped to ask ttfa why they are lying about how much funds they received and who is covering the debts and when can we seethe fully audited books...
here you go grinding your UNC axe again when ever there is the slightest opportunity to to take a swipe at the PNM with your UNC hatchet. i believe politics has no place in football so keep that on the general disc forum please.
Title: Re: TTFA refute Sancho's statement.
Post by: lefty on July 13, 2015, 07:06:01 PM
dem fellas like two rhino in ah china shop jeezan....as seeker say muddy water all around
Title: Re: TTFA refute Sancho's statement.
Post by: Football supporter on July 14, 2015, 07:13:57 AM
I think people just want the MOS to write cheques and TTFA hasn't been forthright with how they spent the money... Yet people are blaming the MOS... No one has stopped to ask ttfa why they are lying about how much funds they received and who is covering the debts and when can we seethe fully audited books...
here you go grinding your UNC axe again when ever there is the slightest opportunity to to take a swipe at the PNM with your UNC hatchet. i believe politics has no place in football so keep that on the general disc forum please.

I don't agree. For years here we were demanding accountability from TTFF. Now they change to TTFA we don't demand that anymore? Remember, for whatever reason there have been no TTFA accounts produced. How do you know what income they get and what they spend it on while continually requesting funding from MoS? How do you know if TTFA are an excellently run administration or totally inept? They put out  unsubstantiated figures and we all clap and cheer, but how do we know that's the reality? Look how a TTFA official denied that TTFA were entitled to any travel funding from CONCACAF in an email to MoS. You think that deserves trust? People want to throw politics in the mix (and I do believe if you check back that Tim-Kee did go political) but don't let politics prevent a search for truth.
Title: Re: TTFA refute Sancho's statement.
Post by: pull stones on July 14, 2015, 10:18:55 PM
I think people just want the MOS to write cheques and TTFA hasn't been forthright with how they spent the money... Yet people are blaming the MOS... No one has stopped to ask ttfa why they are lying about how much funds they received and who is covering the debts and when can we seethe fully audited books...
here you go grinding your UNC axe again when ever there is the slightest opportunity to to take a swipe at the PNM with your UNC hatchet. i believe politics has no place in football so keep that on the general disc forum please.

I don't agree. For years here we were demanding accountability from TTFF. Now they change to TTFA we don't demand that anymore? Remember, for whatever reason there have been no TTFA accounts produced. How do you know what income they get and what they spend it on while continually requesting funding from MoS? How do you know if TTFA are an excellently run administration or totally inept? They put out  unsubstantiated figures and we all clap and cheer, but how do we know that's the reality? Look how a TTFA official denied that TTFA were entitled to any travel funding from CONCACAF in an email to MoS. You think that deserves trust? People want to throw politics in the mix (and I do believe if you check back that Tim-Kee did go political) but don't let politics prevent a search for truth.
you would say anything to defend brent because he's your mate and i understand that but why does he wait til the team is on tour to bring mele to the forefront. you could say what you want but brent is a politician and probably always has been and i am sure that he is being coached by kamla to create tension with the federation because timkee is a key pnm proponent. to be honest mate, i can never trust brent, dwight, or kelvin jack again. if you feel kenwin is cool with brent for the slimey way he's handling the team right now, then rethink that thought. i am sure even the coach thinks he's a piece of work.
Title: Re: TTFA refute Sancho's statement.
Post by: Football supporter on July 15, 2015, 06:39:49 AM
I think people just want the MOS to write cheques and TTFA hasn't been forthright with how they spent the money... Yet people are blaming the MOS... No one has stopped to ask ttfa why they are lying about how much funds they received and who is covering the debts and when can we seethe fully audited books...
here you go grinding your UNC axe again when ever there is the slightest opportunity to to take a swipe at the PNM with your UNC hatchet. i believe politics has no place in football so keep that on the general disc forum please.

I don't agree. For years here we were demanding accountability from TTFF. Now they change to TTFA we don't demand that anymore? Remember, for whatever reason there have been no TTFA accounts produced. How do you know what income they get and what they spend it on while continually requesting funding from MoS? How do you know if TTFA are an excellently run administration or totally inept? They put out  unsubstantiated figures and we all clap and cheer, but how do we know that's the reality? Look how a TTFA official denied that TTFA were entitled to any travel funding from CONCACAF in an email to MoS. You think that deserves trust? People want to throw politics in the mix (and I do believe if you check back that Tim-Kee did go political) but don't let politics prevent a search for truth.
you would say anything to defend brent because he's your mate and i understand that but why does he wait til the team is on tour to bring mele to the forefront. you could say what you want but brent is a politician and probably always has been and i am sure that he is being coached by kamla to create tension with the federation because timkee is a key pnm proponent. to be honest mate, i can never trust brent, dwight, or kelvin jack again. if you feel kenwin is cool with brent for the slimey way he's handling the team right now, then rethink that thought. i am sure even the coach thinks he's a piece of work.

So wait, Tim-Kee sends out a press release attacking Sancho during the Gold Cup and Sancho supposed to suck salt? If Tim-Kee decided that his political future was more important than his national team, why are you not pelting rocks at him? Sancho had no press released planned, no press conference set up. But hell yeah, if you get your ass kicked in public during election season, damn right your going to respond. As for deflating the team, they don't give a s*it. They will be paid as agreed, so where's the gripe?
Title: Re: TTFA refute Sancho's statement.
Post by: davyjenny1 on July 16, 2015, 02:52:40 AM
From the Trinidad Guardian:

http://www.guardian.co.tt/sport/2015-07-16/jones-road-ends-bunch

Nigel Simon
Published:
Thursday, July 16, 2015
Soca Warriors’ left back Aubrey David, right, challenges Guatemala’s Jorge Aparicio, in their 2015 Concacaf Gold Cup Group C enounter at Soldier Field Stadium, Illinois, Chicago on Thursday night. T&T won 3-1. Photo: Courtesy Concacaf. Photo: Courtesy Concacaf

Soca Warriors captain and Cardiff City striker, Kenwyne Jones has hinted that the ongoing dispute between Minister of Sport and former national defender Brent Sancho and T&T Football Association president Raymond Tim Kee could force the current crop of players to quit the senior team.

The Stephen Hart-coached Soca Warriors are currently on a high and whipping Guatemala 3-1 and Cuba 2-0 in their first two 2015 Concacaf Gold Cup matches in the USA to qualify for the quarterfinals for the first time ahead of their final group match which was against powerhouse Mexico last night.

A win or draw for the T&T squad (six points) against Mexico (four points) will see T&T top a round-robin group for the first in the competition ahead of the quarterfinals, where they were ousted two years ago after a 1-0 loss to Mexico.

However, depending on how far the T&T team reaches in the tournament, it could well be the last for coach Hart and the core of players, who from all reports have grown very frustrated over the constant public spats between Sancho and Tim Kee, over financial support for the national team.

The latest feud erupted last week over the request from the TTFA for funding to assist with covering the team expenses at the Concacaf Gold Cup in the USA along with a request for match fees for the Women Soca Warriors for the Pan American Games in Canada.

Sancho in response stated that unless the TTFA and Tim Kee was more transparent in their dealings with regards to finances, his Ministry was not going to be supportive as it was in the past.

In a release to the media on the weekend, the TTFA sought to clear the air with regards to a claim by Minister Sancho that the organisation was not forthcoming regarding funds received from Concacaf.

The release stated that Sancho said he was told by the T&TFA they only had "$13,000 (TT) in their account so they couldn't pay for visas for the Under-23 Team," said Sancho, "but one of the challenges we have is gauging what they have and what they don't have because we got information that they received US$100,000 from Concacaf.

"Then, when they knew we were aware of it, they said they would get the money at the end of July. Then, when we asked why preparatory money would only be available after the tournament, they came back and said they would get it by the end of the week," ended Sancho."

The TTFA in response refuted those statement and issued a press release that shed-light on the Minister's accusations.

Last of current national team?

And yesterday via his Facebook page, captain Kenwyne Jones with a keen eye on what was taking place back home wrote on his status post: "This ain't no way a threat or disrespect to no one but chances are really high that this could be the last time they see this national team together sad but the reality…enough has been too much."

A former striker in another post on Jones' page stated: "Again what's going on with our national team is nothing new. Pulling out results and great performances out our asses without funding and proper preparation."

In response Kenwyne Jones wrote: "there will never be peace in the squad whther I'm there or not," (followed by three cry faces and #YuhThinkItEasy)

As early as 8.23am on Tuesday morning, Jones who by then had read about the exchanges between TTFA president Raymond Tim Kee and his former World Cup colleague, Brent Sancho stated: "Morning, so, while the feud continues, the football suffers, note TT anytime we fall short in something its always a funding issue, if this doesn't stop it can be the end of progress….egos aside put the football first..or leave the relevant offices held…"

The status quote received 180 likes with 35 comments and followed link shared by Jones headlined..Sancho says no more funding for T&TFA…unless.

In fact, Jones was aware of the situation between both the T&TFA and Minister of Sport Brent Sancho which was playing out in the media and stated on his facebook page: "We play we fight….support from the relevant body ?...still outstanding smfh…"(106 likes and 11 comments)

Just last December on the eve of the Caribbean Football Union Cup final against host Jamaica in Montego Bay, Jones was also a key man in the senior team threatened boycott of the match over the non-payment of salaries, stipends and bonuses to players and technical staff alike
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