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Wayyyyy...Tim you clda just call and tell sancho hull he ass! But nahhhh you...yuh not easy nah! It good for sancho!
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TTFA opens Sancho and Harrison probe.
TTFA Media
https://docs.com/ttfa-media/5069/ttfa-letter-of-inquiry-to-brent-sancho
https://docs.com/ttfa-media/1348/harrison-inquiry
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Football Supporter, you and Sancho, make me sick to my stomach. Why would you do some shit like this to empower the retarded president and general secretary of the retarded ttfa? Why? You thought what, that because you from big country, you could do better than the priest? Look at what you have done. Now, the f*#king retarded people from the ttfa sending you an inquiry requesting an explanation for your actions, something they never did regarding one Jack "Do as I say, don't do as I do" Warner, who happens to be allyuh daddy, by the way. You have accomplished something that no one else has been able to do and that is make the ttfa look good. Congratulations are in order. Allyuh deserve to be shot with shit.
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Accountability, transparency and integrity in public office especially, as it pertains to us posters, with footballers' & supporters' money.
That's what we expect so we most definitely welcome investigation of Mr Sancho & Harrison, letting them know that we eh playin',
If found guilty of a crime, then they must do the time and if found innocent then they get a bligh. Fair enough. Coolo breezo?
Any other persons in activities that have a whiff or overt smell of scampishness, then they too must be checked & we must all clamour for it.
We must have zero tolerance for corruption in our football and encourage a culture of requesting accountability.
So kudos to Uncle Tim and Shell done for showing that they have the incliniation to ask questions and be disturbed about irregularities.
Furthermore when there is a rotting elephant carcass in the room of millions of missing dullahs from prior suspicious activity with Jackulito, Scampito Rodent or others,
then we want a prompt request of an investigation for that too. Ok?
Uncle Tim, I hope we've made that clear .... as few things are worse than being called a rankin' hypocrite.
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These fools actually succeeded in making Tim Kee look good SMFH
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Good for dem!
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Well forking done....Can't stand the both of them..!!! :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Can't help but wonder if these requests would have been forthcoming had the TTFA remained answerable to Sancho as MoS. Good job nevertheless.
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FS stop peeping on this site and be a man!
By the way... It good for yuh!
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Sancho, Harrison rubbish TTFA enquiry.
By Mark Pouchet (Express).
WITCH-HUNT
Former Minister of Sport Brent Sancho and his former advisor Kevin Harrison have described as “a witch-hunt” the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association(TTFA) enquiry into some of the pair’s football related activities over the last year.
The duo also said that nothing will come out of it. In separate letters dated September 10, the TTFA wrote to both Sancho and Harrison seeking their explanation under four headings: (1) Personal Payment requests made in conjunction with player transfer transactions; (2) Allegations of non-payment of player bonus; (3) Alleged misappropriation of CONCACAF funds; and (4) Reported improper contracting of a minor.
The letter was carbon copied to TTFA president Raymond Tim Kee, TT Pro League CEO Dexter Skeene, CONCACAF acting general secretary and CONCACAF director of legal affairs Marco Leal.
TTFA general secretary Sheldon Phillips, who along with Tim Kee have butted heads publicly with Sancho in his seven-month stint as Minister of Sport over Government funding of the TTFA, wrote Sancho and Harrison requesting a written statement addressing the allegations to determine whether the TTFA needs to take further action. The TTFA gave them a deadline up to Friday (September 18).
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T&TFA wants answers from Sancho.
T&T Guardian Reports.
Former Minister of Sport Brent Sancho and his special advisor, Englishman Kevin Harrison have both been given a week to respond to allegations of improper contract dealings and broken promises to players with regards to their former club, Digicel T&T Pro League and Caribbean Football Union Club Championship winners, Central FC.
In separate letters addressed to both men on Thursday, the TTFA stated that as a member of Concacaf and in keeping with its regulatory obligations and responsibilities it was requesting written statements from both individuals or their appointed representative to address a number of allegations for the purpose of providing a forum to clarify and inform the TTFA in determining whether further action is warranted.
In the letters, which were worded the same but addressed individually to both men, the T&TFA asked that the allegations of a request for personal payments made in conjunction with the transfer of T&T international Rundell Winchester to Belgium lower league club, CS Visé be clarified.
The T&TFA asked that the duo address allegations specifically an email transmission dated August 27, 2014 which was sent to Steve Davies that made a request for personal payment and that he (Harrison) describe the purpose for the “personal payment” as stated in the email.
Another topic the Raymond Tim Kee led T&TFA requested information on was the allegations of non-payment of player bonuses at Central FC which won a record seven titles locally last year, including its first ever Pro League title.
The T&TFF-issued letter noted that complaints have been fielded by the TTFA from Central FC players surrounding alleged withholding of promised bonus earnings connected to the 2014/15 Pro League season and Concacaf Champions League tournament.
In addition, Harrison is being asked to explain why the Concacaf funds meant for Central FC was deposited into a personal account after Concacaf in an official statement rebuffed claims of administration error on its part regarding a deposit of $40,000 in an account by Sancho that was allegedly directed by Harrison.
The T&TFF went on to add: “Would you please explain whether you were aware the Concacaf funds were deposited to your personal account and the reason(s) for directing the funds to your personal account?”
Regarding to the acquisition of teenager Levi Garci, the T&TFA noted that Central FC acquired his rights through the execution of a player agreement at a time when Garcia was below the age of consent and this must also be explained.
A former standout at Shiva Boys Hindu College, Garcia was signed by Dutch club AZ Alkmaar earlier this year, but questions are being raised with regards to the signing of the deal and whether the T&T youth player was properly represented.
In closing the letter to Harrison, the T&TFA said his cooperation and quick response will greatly enhance its ability to provide the proper level of due process and should be submitted by no later than Friday.
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Former Minister of Sport Brent Sancho and his former advisor Kevin Harrison have described as “a witch-hunt” the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association(TTFA) enquiry into some of the pair’s football related activities over the last year. The duo also said that nothing will come out of it.
That is a real bold but interesting statement.
So in other words Sancho saying that Tim Kee weak.
Well boy, we go see.
I really hope de TTFA transparent with this one and take this to the proper authorities.
Sancho and them wanted transparency but yet they not.
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I hoping really that it's not a witch hunt fuh real and Tim Kee only acting so because his party in power and Sancho lost his seat. What Tim Kee and Sheldon should be focusing on is sponsorship and not expecting the MoS to foot de bill now that UNC and Sancho gone. This Sancho/Harrison issue is secondary right now or is he gonna be like them and Jack making it personal and on de front burner? Look how they turned out with that attitude.
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I hoping really that it's not a witch hunt fuh real and Tim Kee only acting so because his party in power and Sancho lost his seat. What Tim Kee and Sheldon should be focusing on is sponsorship and not expecting the MoS to foot de bill now that UNC and Sancho gone. This Sancho/Harrison issue is secondary right now or is he gonna be like them and Jack making it personal and on de front burner? Look how they turned out with that attitude.
The TTFA is obligated to go after them because they use football to do illegal transaction and de TTFA is de head of football in T&T, if FIFA or Concacaf find out nothing was done it could turn around on de TTFA.
Sancho get personal with de TTFA when he was MOS, now he talking about witch hunt.
He was de one on a witch hunt if you ask me.
I say f00ck him !!!!
I hope de TTFA burn him, he let me down big time.
This does happen when you get a poor man or a kiss ass a big job for de first time, he does flip on he own kind, they dont know how to act.
De position did gone to he head.
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I never said or implied that the TTFA should or shouldn't go after them. I simply said that it is a secondary issue compared to sponsorship, financial credibility/solvency and taking the TTFA forward as a company worth investing in. Sancho and FS should be made to answer but we have bigger fish to fry!!
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FS stop peeping on this site and be a man!
By the way... It good for yuh!
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Oh gorm, why all yuh so?? Brent and he side kick must be still trying to cope with the cut arse from last Monday.....ease dem up nah......NOT!! :whip: :flamethrower:
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FS already give de explanation: "sort codes".
what more allyuh want?
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Look! as long as TTFA don't appear to be on a witch-hunt, they should get some answers from Brent and FS. TTFA is a member of Concacaf. Concacaf has been called in question to be transparent within their organization. Meaning, the various associations also must be transparent. Questions about what are they doing with the moneys? I don't want to see TTFA being vindictive. They have much more important things to do. Let Brent and FS lawyers show all the proper documents of these various transaction in question. And I hope it does not become a long drawn out war of attrition to cause distractions for TTFA.
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Bless dey heart, the Guardian just can't get out ah dey own way. Inconsistent references to the TTFF/TTFA (at times even in the same sentence) aside, there are no questions being raised about the deal between Levi Garcia and AZ Alkmar. Questions are (properly) being raised about Central FC's prior attempt to sign the player when he was 16/17, by by-passing his parents and using his older brother to sign the contract. I was willing to dismiss that as naivety on their part, but in light of everything else, there appears a clear pattern of just doing whatever it is they feel like doing, regulations, rules and scruples be damned.
The issue with the player bonus might be the only weak 'charge' in the list, as I'm not sure what the TTFA could really do about it, other than look into it and gather information. But I'd have go back and take a closer look at the TTFA Constitution to see what powers they have regarding club oversight. Arguably it's more of an issue for the Pro League. The attempt to sign Levi Garcia without his parents' permission violates both TTFA and FIFA rules, and this very likely is a charge that will stick.
Aside from that, don't be fooled by all the gun talk from Sancho and Harrison, they both have an established pattern of shooting from the hip lip without much substance to back up their statements. If they're legitimately not worried, then they should be. Even if one wants to dismiss the CONCACAF money ending up in Sancho's bank account as an honest mistake (and with Central's support of them, it might be hard to argue otherwise), then the issue regarding the "personal payments" in conjunction with transfers is no mistake, no matter how Harrison want to try and spin it. It doesn't take a genius to see what was going on here, and this is the kind of thing that got Harry Redknapp and Milan Mandaric arrested 10 years ago, and which derailed Sam Allardyce hopes of managing England. If this is a 'witch hunt' then Sancho and Harrison have to be two of the biggest witches around. Let them (pretend to) dismiss it all they want, I just hope they have their lawyer money and court clothes handy, because it will be a while before either of them have anything to do with football again.
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I've said it before and will repeat both Sancho and Harrison are conniving and deceitful .!!
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Sanko could do whatever the hell he wants as long as he stays away from my beloved Parliament. ;D ;D
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Does anyone knows where are the whereabouts of both gentlemen?
Are they employed? And what is their status at Central FC?
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People saying Sancho actually make RTK look good. I wonder if any of them have considered the possibility that all along Sancho may have deliberately been trying to make him and the TTFA look bad. Now that his true colors are being revealed I can't dismiss that notion not even for a moment.
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People saying Sancho actually make RTK look good. I wonder if any of them have considered the possibility that all along Sancho may have deliberately been trying to make him and the TTFA look bad. Now that his true colors are being revealed I can't dismiss that notion not even for a moment.
Without a doubt. I'm not sure of while he was at Central, but once he became MoS he was aligned behind the scenes with some inside the very TTFA itself, who conspired to leak information to the press that sought to present (and in some cases misrepresent) Tim Kee's administration in a negative light. I liked and supported Sancho all thru his playing days and thru the dispute over the bonus. All of that started to change about two years ago when I found some of his public comments intemperate and unnecessarily adversarial to the TTFA, and personal towards Tim Kee himself. Not that I hold any brief for Tim Kee, but that was hardly the road to take if you're serious about resolving the dispute in a manner conducive to the best interest of local football. Engendering that kind of scorched-Earth, and in instances, highly personal campaign against the FA was never going to be in anyone's best interest. I still wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, and to an extent I still believe he wanted to do the right thing as MoS, but somewhere along the line I think the personal animosity was too much for him to step back and treat the FA with any kind of objectivity.
p.s. as I've mentioned on this board before, I'm good friends with one of his sisters... I'm sure you know her too, she used to be on the periphary, but very much part of de 'mix' back in the day.
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Bless dey heart, the Guardian just can't get out ah dey own way. Inconsistent references to the TTFF/TTFA (at times even in the same sentence) aside, there are no questions being raised about the deal between Levi Garcia and AZ Alkmar. Questions are (properly) being raised about Central FC's prior attempt to sign the player when he was 16/17, by by-passing his parents and using his older brother to sign the contract. I was willing to dismiss that as naivety on their part, but in light of everything else, there appears a clear pattern of just doing whatever it is they feel like doing, regulations, rules and scruples be damned.
The issue with the player bonus might be the only weak 'charge' in the list, as I'm not sure what the TTFA could really do about it, other than look into it and gather information. But I'd have go back and take a closer look at the TTFA Constitution to see what powers they have regarding club oversight. Arguably it's more of an issue for the Pro League. The attempt to sign Levi Garcia without his parents' permission violates both TTFA and FIFA rules, and this very likely is a charge that will stick.
Aside from that, don't be fooled by all the gun talk from Sancho and Harrison, they both have an established pattern of shooting from the hip lip without much substance to back up their statements. If they're legitimately not worried, then they should be. Even if one wants to dismiss the CONCACAF money ending up in Sancho's bank account as an honest mistake (and with Central's support of them, it might be hard to argue otherwise), then the issue regarding the "personal payments" in conjunction with transfers is no mistake, no matter how Harrison want to try and spin it. It doesn't take a genius to see what was going on here, and this is the kind of thing that got Harry Redknapp and Milan Mandaric arrested 10 years ago, and which derailed Sam Allardyce hopes of managing England. If this is a 'witch hunt' then Sancho and Harrison have to be two of the biggest witches around. Let them (pretend to) dismiss it all they want, I just hope they have their lawyer money and court clothes handy, because it will be a while before either of them have anything to do with football again.
in t&t definitely. outside of t&t is something else.
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in t&t definitely. outside of t&t is something else.
In football period. Any discipline handed down would be pursuant to authority granted the TTFA by FIFA. Any appeal from TTFA discipline would first be heard by FIFA's Dispute Resolution Committee, and appeals from there would go before CAS. So obviously if upheld, the sanctions would be globally enforced.
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Harrison: Our lawyers are expected to respond as T&TFA deadline ends.
T&T Guardian Reports.
The T&T Football Association should expect a response to their requests from former Minister of Sport Brent Sancho and his special advisor, Englishman Kevin Harrison to clarify some allegation levied at them by today’s deadline through their lawyers.
This was stated by Harrison, when quizzed yesterday on the matter after he and Sancho, a former World Cup defender were on last Thursday given a Friday September 18, 2015 deadline to respond to allegations of improper contract dealings and broken promises to players with regards to their former club, Digicel T&T Pro League and Caribbean Football Union Club Championship winners, Central FC.
In separate letters addressed to both men on Thursday September 10, 2015, the TTFA stated: As a member of Concacaf and in keeping with its regulatory obligations and responsibilities it was requesting written statements from both individuals or their appointed representative to addressing a number of allegations for the purpose of providing a forum to clarify and inform the TTFA in determining whether further action is warranted.
In the letters, which were worded the same but addressed individually to both men, the T&TFA asked that the allegations of a request for personal payments made in conjunction with the transfer of T&T international Rundell Winchester to Belgium lower league club, CS Visé be clarified.
The T&TFA asked that the duo address the allegations, specifically the email transmission dated August 27, 2014 which was sent to Steve Davies that made a request for personal payment and that he (Harrison) please describe the purpose for the “personal payment” as stated in the aforementioned email.
Another topic the Raymond Tim Kee led T&TFA requested information on was the allegations of non-payment of player bonuses at Central FC, which won a record seven titles locally last year, including its first ever Pro League title.
The T&TFF issued letter noted that complaints have been fielded by the TTFA from Central FC players surrounding alleged withholding of promised bonus earnings connected to the 2014/15 Pro League season and Concacaf Champions League Tournament.
In addition, Harrison is being asked to explain why the Concacaf funds meant for Central FC was deposited into a personal account after Concacaf in an official statement rebuffed claims of administrative error on its part regarding a deposit of $40,000 in an account by Brent Sancho that was allegedly directed by Kevin Harrison.
The T&TFF went to the add: “Would you please explain whether you were aware the Concacaf funds were deposited to your personal account and the reason(s) for directing the funds to your personal account?”
And finally, with regards to the acquisition of teenager Levi Garcia, the T&TFA noted that Central FC acquired his rights through the execution of a player agreement at a time when Garcia was below the age of consent and this must also be explained. A former standout at Shiva Boys Hindu College, Garcia was signed by Dutch club AZ Alkmaar last earlier this year, but questions are being raised with regards to the signing of the deal and whether the T&T youth player was properly represented.
In closing the letter to Harrison and Sancho, the T&TFA said in the event these issues are borne from mis-understanding or misrepresentation of rules, it believes his response can greatly assist in establishing such a finding. Contacted yesterday, Harrison said: “Both Brent Sancho and I will not be making any responses on our own as we have left the matter in the hands of our lawyer, attorney-at-law Robert Vincent Charles.”
Harrison added: “I would imagine that with tomorrow (today) being the deadline he will provide the T&TFA with our response, because there have been a lot written so far and a lot of times when someone makes a response via the media they are misquoted, so we are taking the safe and right method in going through our lawyers.”
Reached on the matter Charles did confirm being in possession of the T&TFA’s letter but made it clear that the matter was a private one and decided against stating his or his client’s intention. Reached for comment, Sheldon Phillips, general secretary, who signed off on the letter sent to the duo by the T&TFA confirmed he had not received any response up to yesterday.
Asked what would be the next step if no response was forthcoming, Phillips, the son for former national goalkeeper, Lincoln Phillips said the matter would then be forwarded to the T&TFA Executive Committee headed by president Raymond Tim Kee to be discussed.
With regards to the decision by most of the current Central FC players to sign a petition that he along with Sancho stay away from the managerial dealings of the club due to the recent allegations hanging over the heads, Harrison replied, “The players should all be reminded that technically I’m still a member of the club’s board, and that matter is also in the hands of my lawyers.”
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Ex Minister VS TTFA
Story Created: Sep 18, 2015 at 8:57 PM ECT
Football and matters off the field.
Up to news time the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association says they are yet to receive a response from Brent Sancho or Kevin Harrison in attempt to clarify miss-conduct facing them in football.
Earlier in the week Harrison said his lawyer was dealing with matter.
In the meantime, Harrison has been faced with another issue with Central FC.
Some of the players have reportedly signed a petition rejecting Harrison and Sancho's re-entry into the club. We tried to get some clarification on the matter.
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The bar is being set higher for everyone in football. Wherever the two "defendants:" go nex', they wouldn't dare try a fas' one with contracts or look as if dey trying a fas' one, as the consequences would be dire, possibly leading to being unable to eat ah food from the football sector. This new attention to ethical protocol is good for the players as anything seems to go in T&T. This challenge lowers chances of player exploitation, a cause which this socawarrior site must advocate. Good will come of this even though the initiators of the legal challenge are very very suspect in their own dealings at the TTFA and want to llook that they earn a purple star to erase their traitorous past behaviors. So they at the TTFA must stil be encouraged to do this, as the proverbial gun will be more accurately trained at them nex' if they deserve to be investigated too. So bring it on ....
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Ok.. So where the letters of inquiry to past ttfa special advisers, who they could actually have gotten something from..or millien and he delivery person, who they can actually get something from.. No, give lawyers some money, and get nothing, well it's a start..and we have time and money to make/prove a point..uh huh, right ? As Sancho & Harrison say, nothing coming of it..
Except, we like to see bacchanal and we on the winning bacchanalist side..every time
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Ok.. So where the letters of inquiry to past ttfa special advisers, who they could actually have gotten something from..or millien and he delivery person, who they can actually get something from.. No, give lawyers some money, and get nothing, well it's a start..and we have time and money to make/prove a point..uh huh, right ? As Sancho & Harrison say, nothing coming of it..
Except, we like to see bacchanal and we on the winning bacchanalist side..every time
How do you know Milien was even involved in any money exchange? It's like allyuh dense or being deliberately obtuse. Atiba Charles is the man who last have the money which is why any inquiries should start with him.in both instances involving Jack and Charles government money was involved and so files have been turned over to the DPP.all of this has been explained time and time again yet here you are coming with this talk again. Keep the focus where it properly is on Sancho and Harrison.
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Ok.. So where the letters of inquiry to past ttfa special advisers, who they could actually have gotten something from..or millien and he delivery person, who they can actually get something from.. No, give lawyers some money, and get nothing, well it's a start..and we have time and money to make/prove a point..uh huh, right ? As Sancho & Harrison say, nothing coming of it..
Except, we like to see bacchanal and we on the winning bacchanalist side..every time
How do you know Milien was even involved in any money exchange? It's like allyuh dense or being deliberately obtuse. Atiba Charles is the man who last have the money which is why any inquiries should start with him.in both instances involving Jack and Charles government money was involved and so files have been turned over to the DPP.all of this has been explained time and time again yet here you are coming with this talk again. Keep the focus where it properly is on Sancho and Harrison.
beg to disagree, I think Jack , Charles & Company, aand Millien would have been more beneficial to TTFA at this time.. I think Sancho & FS doh might be made to withdraw from football for the most part, is only a headhunter trophy on the wall.. but I doh really give a rat's ass, probably why I may be slower than normal or seemingly dense on the focus of the issue. I have been more focused on more serious issues than crabs in one barrel and more concerned about the whole vessel. Carry on with your operations Bond..ahmm Bakes. that's why we there are great ppl like yourself to handle these things
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So again I ask, what else would you have liked the TTFA to do regarding Jack, Charles and Milien? Crimes have allegedly been committed by these three so they contact the police and prosecuting authorities and have been cooperating with them on the investigations. What else yuh want them to do? Genuine question because maybe there's something that I'm missing.
Men allegedly selling players down the river by using underhanded, if not illegal means to sign them (Levi); by cheating them of bonuses; by arranging "personal payments" on side deals involving player transfers (who's interest then are they really looking out for on these transfers? Clearly not the players); by possibly diverting funds meant for the club into private offshore bank accounts; and not even mentioned, but collecting a government check while secretly still working as club administrators, and paying $80,000.00 a month to a club (secretly owned by a government financier worth over $2 billion dollars) that clearly didn't need it.
But why ask any questions of them on these matters eh Max? Them is just crabs in a barrel thing, ent?
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Harrison, Sancho bow to TTFA request
T&T Guardian
Sheldon Phillips, the general secretary of the T&T Football Association has confirmed being in receipt of a written response from former Minister of Sports Brent Sancho and his advisor Kevin Harrison over allegations levied at them over contract dealings and improper requests made while being part of Central FC managerial staff.
On September 10, the T&TFA in separate letters to both Sancho and Harrison, said as a member of Concacaf and in keeping with its regulatory obligations and responsibilities it was requesting written statements from both individuals or their appointed representative to addressing a number of allegations for the purpose of providing a forum to clarify and inform the local football federation in determining whether further action is warranted.
Contacted on Thursday, the eve of the deadline given, Harrison said, both himself and Brent Sancho would not be making any response on their own as the matter was in the hands of their lawyer, attorney-at-law Robert Vincent Charles.”
Harrison added: “I would imagine that with tomorrow (today) being the deadline he will provide the T&TFA with our response, because there have been a lot written so far and a lot of times when someone makes a response via the media they are misquoted, so we are taking the safe and right method in going through our lawyers.” However, this is complete u-turn from what Harrison told the Guardian ten day ago. When contacted yesterday for comment, Phillips said, "I can confirm that just after noon on Friday, we did received a written response from lawyers representing both Brent Sancho and Kevin Harrison. Asked if the T&TFA has reviewed the letter as yet, Phillips, the son of former national goalkeeper, Lincoln "Tiger" Phillip said, "We have the correspondent along with the statements and our legal representatives will now go through it before we present it to our Executive Committee, which is headed by our president, Raymond Tim Kee.
As for the next move, Phillip said that will totally be up to the Executive Committee on how they move forward after that.
Among the requests made were the clarification on allegations of a request for personal payments made in conjunction with the transfer of T&T international Rundell Winchester to Belgium lower league club, CS Visé be clarified, specifically the email transmission dated August 27, 2014 which was sent to Steve Davies that made a request for personal payment and that he (Harrison) please describe the purpose for the “personal payment” as stated in the aforementioned email.
Another topic the Raymond Tim Kee led T&TFA requested information on was the allegations of non-payment of player bonuses at Central FC, which won a record seven titles locally last year, including its first ever Pro League title. The T&TFF issued letter noted that complaints have been fielded by the TTFA from Central FC players surrounding alleged withholding of promised bonus earnings connected to the 2014/15 Pro League season and Concacaf Champions League Tournament. In addition, Harrison and Sancho were asked to explain why Concacaf funds meant for T&T Pro League club Central FC was deposited into a personal account after Concacaf in an official statement rebuffed claims of administrative error on its part regarding a deposit of $40,000 in an account by Brent Sancho that was allegedly directed by Kevin Harrison.
The T&TFF went to the add: “Would you please explain whether you were aware the Concacaf funds were deposited to your personal account and the reason(s) for directing the funds to your personal account?”
And finally, with regards to the acquisition of teenager Levi Garcia, the T&TFA noted that Central FC acquired his rights through the execution of a player agreement at a time when Garcia was below the age of consent and this must also be explained. A former standout at Shiva Boys Hindu College, Garcia was signed by Dutch club AZ Alkmaar last earlier this year, but questions are being raised with regards to the signing of the deal and whether the T&T youth player was properly represented.
In closing the T&TFA said it expected a response to their requests by no later than Friday September 18, 2015.
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Boss, I didn't say don't ask questions, and please do not take my statements out of context. Allow me to rephrase. If I say, I am focused on the big Picture and not the trees. Am I saying a tree is a small thing and is not to be considered. Come on. If you think all they could have done with other cases is done, and now out of their hands. You are a practicing or future lawyer. You have insider info, as you always provided, and you agree all that could be done is done. Then who am I to argue different, I have to take your word for it. However, given the state of the TTFA funds, given the state of other investigations not getting comleted or moved forward. I am just saying yes, ask questions, but what's gonna happen..it's gonna go to court, it will be in investigators hands, probably all go back to court..and where will TTFA be, supporting law firms instead of football players...this one will get investigated and cleared up, this time... ok, if you say so, but let me ask you, there is not one once of skepticism, that this will go the way of all the other cases ? Just because I (or other ppl) may think differently don't make me dense or slow. Not having faith, yes, but anyway..I will start checking the barrels, even while the boat might be sinking. thank you, for the lesson.
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Boss, I didn't say don't ask questions, and please do not take my statements out of context. Allow me to rephrase. If I say, I am focused on the big Picture and not the trees. Am I saying a tree is a small thing and is not to be considered. Come on. If you think all they could have done with other cases is done, and now out of their hands. You are a practicing or future lawyer. You have insider info, as you always provided, and you agree all that could be done is done. Then who am I to argue different, I have to take your word for it. However, given the state of the TTFA funds, given the state of other investigations not getting comleted or moved forward. I am just saying yes, ask questions, but what's gonna happen..it's gonna go to court, it will be in investigators hands, probably all go back to court..and where will TTFA be, supporting law firms instead of football players...this one will get investigated and cleared up, this time... ok, if you say so, but let me ask you, there is not one once of skepticism, that this will go the way of all the other cases ? Just because I (or other ppl) may think differently don't make me dense or slow. Not having faith, yes, but anyway..I will start checking the barrels, even while the boat might be sinking. thank you, for the lesson.
You change your tune now, because you started out by saying that all of this was only being done "to prove a point." You also suggested that it was convenient oversight on the parts of the TTFA, choosing to focus on this rather than on bigger ticket items as you see it. It's classic criticism without offering a solution because when I ask you what else could they do you didn't have an answer to provide. Sure, they could try and sue one o sure, they could try and sue Warner, but that would be bold expensive and time-consuming. Initiating an internal disciplinary process is quite another thing I don't know why you would think that this is a court case. FIFA has mandatory arbitration for football related disputes, The process would have to be exhausted internally before this even sees the steps of any courthouse. This is a much different proposition for filing suit against Jack Warner.
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Boss, I didn't say don't ask questions, and please do not take my statements out of context. Allow me to rephrase. If I say, I am focused on the big Picture and not the trees. Am I saying a tree is a small thing and is not to be considered. Come on. If you think all they could have done with other cases is done, and now out of their hands. You are a practicing or future lawyer. You have insider info, as you always provided, and you agree all that could be done is done. Then who am I to argue different, I have to take your word for it. However, given the state of the TTFA funds, given the state of other investigations not getting comleted or moved forward. I am just saying yes, ask questions, but what's gonna happen..it's gonna go to court, it will be in investigators hands, probably all go back to court..and where will TTFA be, supporting law firms instead of football players...this one will get investigated and cleared up, this time... ok, if you say so, but let me ask you, there is not one once of skepticism, that this will go the way of all the other cases ? Just because I (or other ppl) may think differently don't make me dense or slow. Not having faith, yes, but anyway..I will start checking the barrels, even while the boat might be sinking. thank you, for the lesson.
You change your tune now, because you started out by saying that all of this was only being done "to prove a point." You also suggested that it was convenient oversight on the parts of the TTFA, choosing to focus on this rather than on bigger ticket items as you see it. It's classic criticism without offering a solution because when I ask you what else could they do you didn't have an answer to provide. Sure, they could try and sue one o sure, they could try and sue Warner, but that would be bold expensive and time-consuming. Initiating an internal disciplinary process is quite another thing I don't know why you would think that this is a court case. FIFA has mandatory arbitration for football related disputes, The process would have to be exhausted internally before this even sees the steps of any courthouse. This is a much different proposition for filing suit against Jack Warner.
thank you.. I constantly change "my tune, as I "become more informed..add: wheter i'm coaching or being coached..yet..my focus is and will always be the same, OUR Country, Trinidad & Tobago..if this is your focus and is more important to you right now, then I can't deny that, in the whole scheme of things I'm sure every bit counts, if it can be added.. btw while i'm able to listen.. At this juncture, what would be the benefits to TT Football that the FA is currently seeking from this inquiry, and why wasn't it pursued before ? or was the minister exempt from such inquiry ? Harrison ? how come only now ? As it seems right now, they don't have a club to go back to..can SIS be also questioned ?
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thank you.. I constantly change "my tune, as I "become more informed..add: wheter i'm coaching or being coached..yet..my focus is and will always be the same, OUR Country, Trinidad & Tobago..if this is your focus and is more important to you right now, then I can't deny that, in the whole scheme of things I'm sure every bit counts, if it can be added.. btw while i'm able to listen.. At this juncture, what would be the benefits to TT Football that the FA is currently seeking from this inquiry, and why wasn't it pursued before ? or was the minister exempt from such inquiry ? Harrison ? how come only now ? As it seems right now, they don't have a club to go back to..can SIS be also questioned ?
Help me to understand this, how has this become an all or nothing proposition? What does talking about this on a message board have to do with the best interest of Trinidad and Tobago as a whole? I'm really trying to understand you here but not having much success. How does this discussion detract from furthering our country?
The greatest benefit is overseeing the interests of the play is both in terms of looking after the central players in the bonus dispute but much more importantly ensuring that players in the main and not exploited how do you not see the benefit to T&T football? You have potentially rogue football administrators and an FA trying to get a handle on the problem, but you're questioning the benefit to local football. Really?
And what do you mean "how come only now" have you been following the story check the timeline and see when it first broke.
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man..i just tell you where my focus is/was, which may not have been the detailed vision/version of the football association you have obviously shown to follow in detail. I have not, all I said is this to me for TTFA should not be a major issue. You say it should, cause it's the only major issue at present, all others taken care of as far as they can be. I say ok. You still asking me to help you understand my view, which you already determined to be skewed to put it nicely, you are the one who know all the in and out of the story, because u on top of this, and u want to understand why talking of this on a message board have to do with the best interest of TT..I said, from the beginning it don't , didn't i? Ok. I could talk about my main focus, but, I seriously now thinking u looking for debate, i'm not. I think even if I express what I have been focusing on, you would point out to me, waste of time or wrong..i should look somewhere else but I not afraid to learn.. I wrongly offered my opinion on what I thought might be important for TTFA at this time, u said different,I say, I have to agree with you, if nothing else more important can't be taken care off. You say, this is the only important thing. Ok..but You seem to want to argue, I don't have no argument, cause obviously I 'didn't follow story enough as u point out. I must have missed something. So I choose not to argue. You playing with me like a cat playing with a mouse, till you get fedup. ..not me padna, I done learn that lesson ahready.. I moving on, ok..I will try to keep up from now.
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man..i just tell you where my focus is/was, which may not have been the detailed vision/version of the football association you have obviously shown to follow in detail. I have not, all I said is this to me for TTFA should not be a major issue. You say it should, cause it's the only major issue at present, all others taken care of as far as they can be. I say ok. You still asking me to help you understand my view, which you already determined to be skewed to put it nicely, you are the one who know all the in and out of the story, because u on top of this, and u want to understand why talking of this on a message board have to do with the best interest of TT..I said, from the beginning it don't , didn't i? Ok. I could talk about my main focus, but, I seriously now thinking u looking for debate, i'm not. I think even if I express what I have been focusing on, you would point out to me, waste of time or wrong..i should look somewhere else but I not afraid to learn.. I wrongly offered my opinion on what I thought might be important for TTFA at this time, u said different,I say, I have to agree with you, if nothing else more important can't be taken care off. You say, this is the only important thing. Ok..but You seem to want to argue, I don't have no argument, cause obviously I 'didn't follow story enough as u point out. I must have missed something. So I choose not to argue. You playing with me like a cat playing with a mouse, till you get fedup. ..not me padna, I done learn that lesson ahready.. I moving on, ok..I will try to keep up from now.
I'm just responding to what you are saying, how am I "looking for debate"? Matter of fact don't bother answering, we could just move on. You're right, nothing to see here.
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Max I think you overlooked something in your haste to classify this as an attempt to make themselves (TTFA) look good. The warner situation was already exhausted through the process that FIFA has in place and JW lost. So if the FIFA process still couldn't get JW to pay up, and the Warriors court case against him yielded nothing, what exactly do you believe the TTFA would be able to accomplish? And via what forum would success be a high potential for them? The TTFA doesn't have money as they were literally left without nothing after Jack, so where are they to get funds to legally pursue JW? As for Millien, all we have is Atiba Charles version of events which I can't for the life of me understand why most here are not suspicious of. How de ass ah grown man toss ah envelope in ah car after meeting in a car park and expect that to be taken as truth without any form of proof? And if the TTFA got the police involved in the issue, then what exactly do you further require of them to show that they are taking the matter seriously?
With regard to Sancho and his sidekick, maybe you don't recognize how important it is that this is investigated, but the implications for our local players are enormous! I think you need to consider if they are allowed to get away without even a tepid inquiry what kind of free for all will likely take place as these 2 make their way back into football and others learn from their example.
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Well, if I was Millien ... I wouldn't be waiting on the TTPS to clear my good name.
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Max I think you overlooked something in your haste to classify this as an attempt to make themselves (TTFA) look good. The warner situation was already exhausted through the process that FIFA has in place and JW lost. So if the FIFA process still couldn't get JW to pay up, and the Warriors court case against him yielded nothing, what exactly do you believe the TTFA would be able to accomplish? And via what forum would success be a high potential for them? The TTFA doesn't have money as they were literally left without nothing after Jack, so where are they to get funds to legally pursue JW? As for Millien, all we have is Atiba Charles version of events which I can't for the life of me understand why most here are not suspicious of. How de ass ah grown man toss ah envelope in ah car after meeting in a car park and expect that to be taken as truth without any form of proof? And if the TTFA got the police involved in the issue, then what exactly do you further require of them to show that they are taking the matter seriously?
With regard to Sancho and his sidekick, maybe you don't recognize how important it is that this is investigated, but the implications for our local players are enormous! I think you need to consider if they are allowed to get away without even a tepid inquiry what kind of free for all will likely take place as these 2 make their way back into football and others learn from their example.
no man. I get all that. I'm all for the letter of inquiry..However, i'm also all for turning it over to FIFA to fight the case/answer/issue, if a satisfactory answer is not forth coming. I am not for TTFA pursuing the case in any form after all that. I don't think it's beneficial to them to throw more resources behind another issue without any financial benefit, especially when it has been proven that all other issues that were actually worth something, nothing has come of.. 'the old TTFF lost to players and the new TTF have proven always to come out on the null side of every issue they pursue...it wasn't them who could get rid of Jack or pursue Jack..yet all kinds of losses went to Jack..and further pursuance of Jack was even paid by TT taxpayers, even the other issue, nothing, in police hands, and we pay audit to do the books..Yes, WE pay..always we pay..the players win, we pay, TTFF loss, we pay...everything the TTFf pursue, WE pay....but we not paying players and coaches, we paying Lawyers, accountants, auditors, TTPS, AG....I just hoping this time, they let somebody else do the battle, and we pay Football players & coaches...asking questions is ok in my book, but be prepared for the answers you might receive..and what your reaction will be.
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TTFA Executive Committee to deal with Sancho, Harrison matter
By JOEL BAILEY (Newsday).
THE EXECUTIVE Committee of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) will be dealing with the matters involving returning Central FC Chief Executive Officer (CEO) and managing director Kevin Harrison, who were asked by the TTFA to account for a few issues pertaining to the club.
Contacted for a comment yesterday, TTFA general secretary Sheldon Phillips said, “We’ve received correspondence from their attorney (Robert Charles) and the matter is being ordered to the Executive Committee for future consideration. They’ll determine what’s the next course of action will be.” The Executive Committee is led by TTFA president Raymond Tim Kee.
Asked when the Committee will meet, Phillips replied, “the request was made with the permission of the Executive Committee and the Executive Committee will be the entity that will handle the issue.
Outside of that, I really have no comment to make, other than that’s the process that’s going to be followed from this point on.” About the consequences which Sancho and Harrison may face, Phillips stated, “to speculate on what the consequences wouldn’t be for me to say. That’s entirely up to the Executive Committee to determine what sort of action the body will take, if any, at all.
“The Executive Committee will get the material this week and it will be up to (them) to act on this matter,” he added.
Phillips insisted that the matter was not political in nature, especially as Sancho and Tim Kee had numerous public spats during Sancho’s brief tenure as Minister of Sports.
“We had access to this information before the elections (on September 7),” Phillips said. “We had held off on sending the letter out (in public) until after (the elections).
So there was no political issue behind the matter.
“There were serious allegations that were brought to our attention and, as the governing body, we felt it was our duty to enquire. And that’s what the letter was about, a letter of enquiry, to give both men an opportunity to answer the allegations,” Phillips ended.
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TTFA Executive Committee to deal with Sancho, Harrison matter
By JOEL BAILEY (Newsday).
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“There were serious allegations that were brought to our attention and, as the governing body, we felt it was our duty to enquire. And that’s what the letter was about, a letter of enquiry, to give both men an opportunity to answer the allegations,” Phillips ended.
As Andre Samuel would say .... "Ah love it". New bar has been set. We definitely need to keep this "enquiry" going and go as far as possible.
We might soon see the end of player contract exploitation and meanwhile, the TTFA is putting themselves into a delicious corner of more transparency, accountability and ethical oversight. A great day.
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This may or may not be political......it is hypocritical. This is being described as a serious matter. Really? How serious can this be when the matter of one Jack Warner accused of stealing money from every football related entity in the Caribbean including the ttfa is a matter of enourmous consequences.....yet no letter of inquiry was sent out or will ever be sent out to one Jack Warner. I will tell you why because Jack Warner does not have to explain his actions to anyone and Tiny Tim and his blind men believe Jack doesn't have to explain himself to anyone. These people don't lose sleep at night. How much money does it take to send that letter? And since people on this forum who support the old ttff and the current ttfa are using the "lack of money" as an excuse, want us to believe that is why the ttfa don't want to touch Jack in court then it stands to reason that this will not go any further than a warning. End of story. By the way, seeing as how the hypocritical ttfa responded so quickly to the Harrison/Sancho issue, why don't they respond to the Mollon issue? It is needed. It is a serious matter.
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This may or may not be political......it is hypocritical. This is being described as a serious matter. Really? How serious can this be when the matter of one Jack Warner accused of stealing money from every football related entity in the Caribbean including the ttfa is a matter of enourmous consequences.....yet no letter of inquiry was sent out or will ever be sent out to one Jack Warner. I will tell you why because Jack Warner does not have to explain his actions to anyone and Tiny Tim and his blind men believe Jack doesn't have to explain himself to anyone. These people don't lose sleep at night. How much money does it take to send that letter? And since people on this forum who support the old ttff and the current ttfa are using the "lack of money" as an excuse, want us to believe that is why the ttfa don't want to touch Jack in court then it stands to reason that this will not go any further than a warning. End of story. By the way, seeing as how the hypocritical ttfa responded so quickly to the Harrison/Sancho issue, why don't they respond to the Mollon issue? It is needed. It is a serious matter.
What will serving Warner a letter of inquiry achieve? Will more than what was revealed before the DRC come to light? And in the event it does, what exactly can the TTFA do about it? File suit? You footing the bill? Will Warner somehow magically be forced to pay? How is it an excuse when we all know that Warner left the TTFA without resources? Show me who so far has gone up against Warner and actually won anything. What did the collect? When FIFA decided they was going after him JW took the escape hatch. When the players went after him they won and collected $0 from him. What the hell allyuh expecting from TTFA? Is grandcharge allyuh want when yuh know it have nothing to be gained? I doh get why this letter of inquiry to Sancho and Harrison is being met with such responses. Is it a bad thing? I just not seeing it at all.
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All yuh get Joel Bailey permission to post the story.
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Harrison sent the email, Sancho didn't, he should be ban from rejoining Central but knowing the TTFA nothing will come out of this
If this were the other way around Samcho and company would have buried Sheldon and Raymond
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"What will serving Warner a letter of inquiry achieve?" well if done publicly as before, indicating the past cases & amounts, already proven by Sancho and Company, or at least privately to US dept of Justice
This is not my argument, eh., but I wondering if, it may lay a claim when the US justice system decide to sieze/divvy up the Warner's and the SantaClaus man holdings in the US, they take their taxes or portion or whatever, and maybe, just maybe...whatever left over will go to those that have a submission. I'm sure Bakes or someone familiar with that system would better know if TTFA has a chance. but if you don't at least raise yuh hand, then ok none is yours, Australia look back a % of yuh bribe, England look back a % of yuh bribe, FiFa look back a % of allyuh payout, Sponsors look back a % of allyuh support, next. Sorry TTFA, all gone, should have spoken up sooner ..I don't know.. I know Jack be nimble, and Jack be quick doh..so everybody might just get peanuts, but we don't even have peanuts right now..so
add: dammit, ah went an chat again...oh well, just a thought, not a belief
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"What will serving Warner a letter of inquiry achieve?" well if done publicly as before, indicating the past cases & amounts, already proven by Sancho and Company, or at least privately to US dept of Justice
This is not my argument, eh., but I wondering if, it may lay a claim when the US justice system decide to sieze/divvy up the Warner's and the SantaClaus man holdings in the US, they take their taxes or portion or whatever, and maybe, just maybe...whatever left over will go to those that have a submission. I'm sure Bakes or someone familiar with that system would better know if TTFA has a chance. but if you don't at least raise yuh hand, then ok none is yours, Australia look back a % of yuh bribe, England look back a % of yuh bribe, FiFa look back a % of allyuh payout, Sponsors look back a % of allyuh support, next. Sorry TTFA, all gone, should have spoken up sooner ..I don't know.. I know Jack be nimble, and Jack be quick doh..so everybody might just get peanuts, but we don't even have peanuts right now..so
add: dammit, ah went an chat again...oh well, just a thought, not a belief
Why should Australia and England get back a % of their bribe money that they may have paid to Warner?
If they are both guilty of bribing Warner then they are just as guilty as he is and should be internationally shamed just like Jack has been. It takes two to tango.
In fact that bribe money if recovered should go to a good needy cause like T&T football! ;)
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Whats the latest with this?
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Whats the latest with this?
this might be equally interesting
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=64880.0
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So de TTFA huff and puff and end up blowing smoke up they own kakahole.
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The table keeps turning.
Karma can be harsh sometimes even bad against bad there is no excuse.
Sancho turn to laugh at Sheldon now.
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uh huh..follow the bouncing ball ..straight off the cliff onto the rocks below. please step forward for the next bacchanal story & show
(http://media.cagle.com/56/2007/03/16/36065_600.jpg)
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uh huh..follow the bouncing ball ..straight off the cliff onto the rocks below. please step forward for the next bacchanal story & show
(http://media.cagle.com/56/2007/03/16/36065_600.jpg)
there goes brent, there goes kevin and oh my gosh it's Sheldon phillips, as he goes over the edge he screamed out what sounded like,
t I m k e e y u h d d d o o o orggggg...
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AA..whey this important process reach ? it have another thread ?