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Title: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: Tallman on April 17, 2016, 07:59:38 AM
Why is there not a consistent formal protest from the TFA concerning Tobago's marginalization in football? This has been going on for donkey years, and other than grumbling on the ground level, I have not heard or seen any constructive attempts to solve this dilemma. I think the treatment is cruel for aspiring Tobagonian footballers, and truly deprives our nation from strengthening our local player pool. From what I've heard, some of this is self-inflicted, at least with Tobago's non-participation in the Pro League, but at the national level, Tobago never seems to be given adequate consideration in terms of scouting.

I know we have some people on here who are formally involved with football in Tobago, so maybe you all can shed some light.
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: asylumseeker on April 17, 2016, 08:23:32 AM
Absolute travesty. Defies common sense and conventional wisdom.
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: Gazza on April 17, 2016, 11:34:36 AM
 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( Just as i read the article on the national u 17. i was about to comment and saw this post.  So there are no Bagonians on that team. Hmm SMH. That always happens when there is a local coach at the helm at youth level. Only execption is Anton Corneal. The majority of Trinidadian coaches are simply incompetent and biases
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: Tobago28 on April 17, 2016, 12:23:09 PM
Tobago is responsible for the condition of Tobago Football. A group is not allowing younger energetic and knowledge people to move into leadership, the old boy network killing Tobago Football.

Regarding the U-17, 26 players the Coach have a lot of work ahead of him. There are some exceptional players in the 26 selected but too many of them have poor first touch requiring serious technical deficiencies. I hope the Coach consults with past U-17 Coaches to get a clear understanding of the technical and tactical requirements at CFU and CONCACAF level.
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: Richard G. on April 17, 2016, 05:17:08 PM
There are a numerous reasons Tobago's football product has been in such poor condition. It would take too long to go over all the issues. What I can say is many of these issues are being addressed...it will take some time but I do expect Tobago's (youth in particular) football to demand more respect in the coming years.

Lots of work to be...and is being done.

Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: Big Magician on April 17, 2016, 05:54:31 PM
cause we iz ah set ah ass....
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: Storeboy on April 17, 2016, 06:15:46 PM
There are a numerous reasons Tobago's football product has been in such poor condition. It would take too long to go over all the issues. What I can say is many of these issues are being addressed...it will take some time but I do expect Tobago's (youth in particular) football to demand more respect in the coming years.

Lots of work to be...and is being done.


Can you state exactly what is the work you are talking about?
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: Richard G. on April 17, 2016, 06:48:58 PM
There are a numerous reasons Tobago's football product has been in such poor condition. It would take too long to go over all the issues. What I can say is many of these issues are being addressed...it will take some time but I do expect Tobago's (youth in particular) football to demand more respect in the coming years.

Lots of work to be...and is being done.


Can you state exactly what is the work you are talking about?

Girls U-15
Boys U-17 and U-20 preparations.

The fact that there is training going on for these age groups (not so much the U-20 with the limited time) is a significant departure from the norm. Continued training at the 'highest level' of youth football on the island for 20-25 players should start to bring about some hint of a mental change from what is normal to something more 'professional'. Just remember...these things take time.

There are other things happening behind the doors.
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: Storeboy on April 17, 2016, 07:15:42 PM
There are a numerous reasons Tobago's football product has been in such poor condition. It would take too long to go over all the issues. What I can say is many of these issues are being addressed...it will take some time but I do expect Tobago's (youth in particular) football to demand more respect in the coming years.

Lots of work to be...and is being done.


Can you state exactly what is the work you are talking about?

Girls U-15
Boys U-17 and U-20 preparations.

The fact that there is training going on for these age groups (not so much the U-20 with the limited time) is a significant departure from the norm. Continued training at the 'highest level' of youth football on the island for 20-25 players should start to bring about some hint of a mental change from what is normal to something more 'professional'. Just remember...these things take time.

There are other things happening behind the doors.
Thanks! Good to hear that!
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: doc on April 17, 2016, 07:57:25 PM
Soccer in Tobago is on a path that leads nowhere. We're losing players faster than we can find/make them. Don't have a solution, but there needs to be a foundation i.e. opportunities for youths in a formal setting as youth league(s) for starters
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: Tallman on April 17, 2016, 08:11:07 PM
Soccer in Tobago is on a path that leads nowhere. We're losing players faster than we can find/make them. Don't have a solution, but there needs to be a foundation i.e. opportunities for youths in a formal setting as youth league(s) for starters

Meaning what? They're abandoning the game or going elsewhere?
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: doc on April 17, 2016, 08:19:40 PM
Soccer in Tobago is on a path that leads nowhere. We're losing players faster than we can find/make them. Don't have a solution, but there needs to be a foundation i.e. opportunities for youths in a formal setting as youth league(s) for starters

Meaning what? They're abandoning the game or going elsewhere?
Yep. They're leaving the game and falling into a black hole.
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: vb on April 18, 2016, 12:08:14 AM
I've always believed that every year we should have a local derby. Trinidad vs Tobago.

Have the game alternate from both islands from year to year.

It would be a kind of quasi national training session, opportunity for scouting and some money at the gate.

VB
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: asylumseeker on April 18, 2016, 04:54:31 AM
Trinidad v Tobago on the field is a distractor. It's also not training. Unless the idea is an exhibition match (different purpose).

Players from all over the country should be integrated into all elements of squad selection and preparation ... without reference to geography. Otherwise, lehme go from Mayaro to Princes Town and pick an XI to play "Trinidad". How useful would that be bearing in mind the ultimate objective?
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: Tobago28 on April 19, 2016, 07:28:40 AM
Asylumseeker you are totally correct, TvT as an exhibition has value but his completely useless to evaluate players for a national team. All boys/gorls should be afforded the equal access, opportunity and procedure. The existence of this TvT as a mechanism is inherently biased.
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: Jay10 on April 21, 2016, 07:13:54 AM
A national league will solve this. There was an article some time before about this.

How difficult is it for us to have zonal u15 and u17 teams with competent coaches in training year round?



Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: weary1969 on April 21, 2016, 09:23:06 AM
A national league will solve this. There was an article some time before about this.

How difficult is it for us to have zonal u15 and u17 teams with competent coaches in training year round?





Everything in TNT difficult
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: Sam on April 21, 2016, 09:36:35 AM
Ent they hire Bertille St Clair for this.

Or he just scratching he toetie in Pigeon Point.

Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: soccerman on April 21, 2016, 09:49:06 AM
Ent they hire Bertille St Clair for this.

Or he just scratching he toetie in Pigeon Point.
:rotfl:
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: Rastaman on April 21, 2016, 12:10:54 PM
Tobago needs a youth league.....winners play Trinidad winners(north,south,east and west) similar but Apart from school football. Plus zonal reams picked and playing against each other. Thais will fuel senior competition in the same format.
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: Rastaman on April 23, 2016, 09:22:53 PM
With u20and17 coaches preparing to come to Tobago to scout players. A practice match between the u17 and u20 was today cancelled because the car park of the Dwight Yorke stadium was rented out for model car racing 😞😞😞😞😞
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: Tobago28 on April 24, 2016, 07:07:34 AM
Rastaman

The match was played in Bon Accord, U20 won.
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: Trini _2026 on April 24, 2016, 08:04:44 AM
Rastaman

The match was played in Bon Accord, U20 won.

Tobago under 20 ???
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: Richard G. on April 24, 2016, 09:13:04 AM
With u20and17 coaches preparing to come to Tobago to scout players. A practice match between the u17 and u20 was today cancelled because the car park of the Dwight Yorke stadium was rented out for model car racing 😞😞😞😞😞

Hardgo dey Rastaman. I was to call you and got caught up in waiting, relocating and refereeing the match.

TFA U-20 3 vs TFA U-17 2
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: Trini _2026 on April 24, 2016, 02:39:34 PM
With u20and17 coaches preparing to come to Tobago to scout players. A practice match between the u17 and u20 was today cancelled because the car park of the Dwight Yorke stadium was rented out for model car racing 😞😞😞😞😞

Hardgo dey Rastaman. I was to call you and got caught up in waiting, relocating and refereeing the match.

TFA U-20 3 vs TFA U-17 2

if that is the score ..... the  Tobago under 17 may have a few good players
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: Rastaman on April 25, 2016, 01:56:45 PM
With u20and17 coaches preparing to come to Tobago to scout players. A practice match between the u17 and u20 was today cancelled because the car park of the Dwight Yorke stadium was rented out for model car racing 😞😞😞😞😞

Hardgo dey Rastaman. I was to call you and got caught up in waiting, relocating and refereeing the match.

TFA U-20 3 vs TFA U-17 2

if that is the score ..... the  Tobago under 17 may have a few good players
Yes there are good players. if they do get a proper chance to impress the National Coach is the real question..has not happened yet.
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: Tobago28 on April 25, 2016, 06:00:01 PM
The Tobago U20 supposed to play the boys from Trinidad this weekend. Is it confirmed?
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: Richard G. on April 26, 2016, 06:56:08 AM
As far as I know....yes. Venue TBD
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: asylumseeker on April 26, 2016, 06:59:35 AM
Confirmed game without a venue?
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: Trini _2026 on April 26, 2016, 08:20:48 AM
Confirmed game without a venue?

this is football in trinidad
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: Richard G. on April 26, 2016, 07:22:07 PM
Confirmed game without a venue?

this is football in trinidad

Courland (aka Black Rock).

Attempts were made to get DYS but it didn't work out.
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: Tobago28 on April 30, 2016, 06:32:47 AM
Trinidad U20 Match today at Blackrock  vs. Tobago U20  XI. Hope a couple of these Tobago boys get a good look.
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: Tobago28 on May 01, 2016, 06:14:55 AM
Trinidad beat Tobago 2-0. Tobago has a couple players that Coach Williams should consider especially after Tobago had the run of play in 2nd half.  At half time Tobago put on a midfielder wearing Yorke Number 19(Malique) that changed the game for Tobago, not sure why Tobago Coach did not start him.

They are playing again this afternoon with heavy rain and pitch is not the best but unfortunately typical.

Coach Williams will have some difficult decisions.
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: Rastaman on May 01, 2016, 07:08:27 AM
The game was good. The both defenses were good. But for some comical goal keeping(from a known loose cannon) the game would have ended 0-0. Due t the short space f time to prepare the boys, coaches played players in what is not their best positions(in my opinion) it is a difficult job. Also one player who trained with the u17 before picked up an injury the night before in training as well which limited their options. And from what I understand there are still some boys who were not involved in the training sessions, again due to the short time frame available.
With some changes I believe the Tobago team could actually pose a serious threat in the game today.
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: Rastaman on May 01, 2016, 07:42:58 AM
Non-stop rain.......
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: Brownsugar on May 01, 2016, 08:10:23 AM
Ent they hire Bertille St Clair for this.

Or he just scratching he toetie in Pigeon Point.




:shameonyou:   :yellowcard: not my coach eh....try yuh best.....
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: Tobago28 on May 01, 2016, 12:52:19 PM
It still raining?

The match playing?

I am hearing a rumour that many of the U20 boys still in Cedras training and they did not bring the full team to truly evaluate.

Anybody know what's going on?
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: Rastaman on May 01, 2016, 06:15:37 PM
Game played. The ground was dry. Just as I predicted the Tobago team gave a better account in parts. They got a penalty and went up one nil but then they conceded one and it was one one. Shane Sandy who gave away the penalty for the national team stepped up and blasted them level. The national team went up through a rocket of a free kick from no.11 (I will put in his name when I remember) they did get a third after some neat interpassing and scored the only real goal from open play in the two games. (The goals in the first game I put down to the goalkeeper).

That being said the coach has asked for two of the defenders to join training in Trinidad.

Players noted
Pappy looked good today
Shane Sandy over the past two games
The no.11(can't beleive I can't remember his name)
Jerron Nixon's son looked lively up top until the defender gave him a Charlie horse and ended his game early.
To be honest we lack something up top and the coach has given a Tobago player a chance to add to what they have right now.

So that is three Tobago players with the door being left open to a few players who are injured. I also believe that they might keep the Tobago team together and give them another chance.......not confirmed though.
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: Tobago28 on May 01, 2016, 06:50:29 PM
Rastaman, respect for the boss report. Happy to hear that two/three of the Tobago youth getting a chance with hope for more later.

The Tobago team should stay training since World Cup is over a year away;  injuries happen, players availability change.
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: Richard G. on May 02, 2016, 04:46:10 AM
Trinidad U20 3 vs Tobago U20 1

As expected, players who are in professional training environments performed better (were more consistent). However, there were decent enough performances by at least 3 players (with a possibility of 2-3 more for further screening) being included in the team's preparation. The time line is the main killer. Players must be registered with CFU/CONCACAF within the next two weeks. It's a tough position for Coach Brian Williams and his technical staff to be in. I can honestly say...they do need one or two players in certain positions to make the team a bit more sure (my own personal view).

As Rastaman said, it has been requested this team remain in training. This is something the TFA will have to discuss with all parties involved. It's an easy sell, but in reality...it comes down to $$$.

Waiting to hear how the U-15 girls did in Trinidad this last weekend at the U15 girls screening tournament.
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: Trini _2026 on May 02, 2016, 02:44:38 PM
Trinidad U20 3 vs Tobago U20 1

As expected, players who are in professional training environments performed better (were more consistent). However, there were decent enough performances by at least 3 players (with a possibility of 2-3 more for further screening) being included in the team's preparation. The time line is the main killer. Players must be registered with CFU/CONCACAF within the next two weeks. It's a tough position for Coach Brian Williams and his technical staff to be in. I can honestly say...they do need one or two players in certain positions to make the team a bit more sure (my own personal view).

As Rastaman said, it has been requested this team remain in training. This is something the TFA will have to discuss with all parties involved. It's an easy sell, but in reality...it comes down to $$$.

Waiting to hear how the U-15 girls did in Trinidad this last weekend at the U15 girls screening tournament.

Last minute preparation eh ....he forced to name a squad when will we learn
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: Rastaman on May 03, 2016, 05:48:05 AM
I am hearing that quite a number of girls from Tobago have been invited to train with the national u15 team...... As many as 12. This is to be confirmed though.
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: Richard G. on May 04, 2016, 08:31:25 PM
I am hearing that quite a number of girls from Tobago have been invited to train with the national u15 team...... As many as 12. This is to be confirmed though.

13 out of 31 for U15 training.
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: Rastaman on May 15, 2016, 07:25:22 AM
Game played. The ground was dry. Just as I predicted the Tobago team gave a better account in parts. They got a penalty and went up one nil but then they conceded one and it was one one. Shane Sandy who gave away the penalty for the national team stepped up and blasted them level. The national team went up through a rocket of a free kick from no.11 (I will put in his name when I remember) they did get a third after some neat interpassing and scored the only real goal from open play in the two games. (The goals in the first game I put down to the goalkeeper).

That being said the coach has asked for two of the defenders to join training in Trinidad.

Players noted
Pappy looked good today
Shane Sandy over the past two games
The no.11(can't beleive I can't remember his name)
Jerron Nixon's son looked lively up top until the defender gave him a Charlie horse and ended his game early.
To be honest we lack something up top and the coach has given a Tobago player a chance to add to what they have right now.

So that is three Tobago players with the door being left open to a few players who are injured. I also believe that they might keep the Tobago team together and give them another chance.......not confirmed though.

The no. 11 was Kareem Riley..... Thunderbolt of a shot on this youth.
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: Rastaman on May 15, 2016, 05:19:45 PM
didn't see any of the Tobago boys named in the 30 man squad.......
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: Rastaman on May 15, 2016, 05:21:26 PM
The U17s played yesterday and today. 5 players invited to join the squad. Lets hope they fear better than the U20 boys.
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: Rastaman on May 15, 2016, 05:23:25 PM
will give a breakdown of the games when I have time.....when ah shoulda b doing house work meh behind in Black Rock watching football  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: Richard G. on May 15, 2016, 08:05:46 PM
The U17s played yesterday and today. 5 players invited to join the squad. Lets hope they fear better than the U20 boys.

So....a total of 21 players (male and female) from the Tobago screenings. Let's hope all players give their best as time goes on.
Title: Re: Tobago's contribution to our football
Post by: Rastaman on May 16, 2016, 12:53:24 AM
Ok the first game on Saturday was not too bad. probably in hindsight players were trying too hard and didn't settle(Tobago Players)
The game was almost even in the first half with the National team ripe for a the picking if the Tobago boys could get something special. Nil - Nil at the half. Half time the National coach makes 5 changes and that produced 3 quick goals at the start of the half and the game was effectively over as a contest. The Tobago players never recovered from the shock and late on they conceded 2 or 3 more (wasn't checking)
After the game the coaching staff explained that they started with some fringe players who were effectively being given their last chance on this trip. Brought on the regulars at the half.......after the Tobago players were a bit tired as they are nowhere close to the fitness of the Trinidad players.

That being said you could see the potential in a few of the Tobago Players.

Sundays game was a much better contest. Game was much more even until the last 15-20 mins when goals started flying in. Up until then the teams were separated by a penalty to the National Team. Tobago was seeing probably as much of the ball as in the first game but there was a bit more end product, with quite a few forays into the National Teams defense. The Tobago team played the same system as the National Team....probably to their detriment, as with that system they were never going to trouble the defense. I think that the National Team is set up around the Midfield....without an out and out striker...(false 9) both the national Team and the Tobago Team have players to suit the system.

As such 4 of the midfielders/strikers were invited to continue training with the team....as well as one center back who was really a rock in the Tobago defense. Actually both center backs were but he stamped his authority all over the game. He was in the right place all the time and was at the center of everything.

I must add that the Tobago team was hampered by the lack of quality wing backs and this hampered and threw off the balance of the team. Had they had 2 good wing backs the game would have been different