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Sports => Football => Topic started by: Flex on November 26, 2016, 12:47:32 PM
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Foreign coaches lining up after Hart’s firing.
T&T Guardian Reports.
Local coaches are not surprised by the decision of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) to sever ties with senior men’s national coach Stephen Hart. Coaches Ron La Forest and Angust Eve explained that all coaches operate in a results-oriented world, but they have also expressed concerns on who the next coach will be.
Hart’s dismissal, among other things, has left concerns over who the T&T Football Association will employ as his replacement and whether they are financially stable to do so. It is expected that his successor could also come from abroad as the Trinidad Guardian has learnt that the TTFA office has been bombarded by calls from coaches from Mexico, England and Germany among other countries enquiring about the top position.
Hart commanded a salary of US$20,000 monthly and is due to collect a handsome departing package of close to TT$3 million, but TTFA is likely to fork out much more if it decides to recruit an international coach, said coaches Ron La Forrest and Angus Eve yesterday.
According to La Forrest, he believes the TTFA has the financial capability to hire an international coach as they receive subventions from the FIFA. “But if the TTFA appoints a local coach, I hope they will surround him with a team of technically strong local coaches such as Everald ‘Gally’ Cummings, Angus Eve, Anton Corneal and me, to provide much needed assistance” La Forrest said.
Hart was fired for a poor start to the Final Round of the World Cup Qualifiers in which the team was beaten in its opening two matches by Costa Rica 2-0 and Honduras 3-1 which has left them second from bottom on the standings.
La Forrest said while he feels sad for Hart, he believes the TTFA decision was influenced by the USA’s move to sack its coach German Jurgen Klinsman for poor results in their first two matches also and while his overall record is very good, the World Cup qualifiers are most important.
“It is sad, yes, but the job is result-oriented, meaning if you do not get the results necessary, then you will lose your job. That is just how it is,” La Forrest said.
He noted the team’s losing results was a consequence of Hart’s defensive style which prevented the Soca Warriors from capitalising on their home games. Hart’s persistent use of lanky striker Kenwyne Jones was particularly singled out as a major blunder. He pointed out that Hart failed to utilise a more attacking approach and implement a plan ‘B’, adding that while the team was not outclassed by its opponents, it lacked the firepower up front to get goals.
La Forrest, considered one of the country’s most effective strikers, also believes Hart gave his job away by not maintaining the discipline and respect which he commanded when he took over the team.
Meanwhile, Eve, a former national captain, said Hart was a victim of a predictable style of football that became easy for opposing teams to get results from. He pointed out that while the coach did an excellent job in stabilising our game over the years, his career path is one that demands results.
He said, “Hart was not the TTFA’s guy from the start, which has been added to the fact that he has not won a Caribbean Cup in a while, not reached the quarter-final round of the Concacaf Gold Cup and beyond, he has lost two matches in the final round of the World Cup Qualifiers and the USA’s coach was just fired” Eve said.
Since his inception as T&T coach, Hart has led the country to positive results in 28 out of 43 matches, which comprise a second place finish at the Caribbean Cup and the quarter final rounds of the Concacaf Gold Cup. He also did well to take the Soca Warriors to the current Final Round of the qualifiers.
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La Forrest said while he feels sad for Hart, he believes the TTFA decision was influenced by the USA’s move to sack its coach German Jurgen Klinsman for poor results in their first two matches also ....
He said, “Hart was not the TTFA’s guy from the start, which has been added to the fact that he has not won a Caribbean Cup in a while, not reached the quarter-final round of the Concacaf Gold Cup and beyond, he has lost two matches in the final round of the World Cup Qualifiers and the USA’s coach was just fired” Eve said.
what this mean? spell it out for me.
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La Forrest- I hope the TTFA will surround the New- Local Coach with a set of technically sound coaches, including himself- Really. Someone remarked on this Forum that Hart had reached his level of Competence . Thus far and no further. I tend to agree based on his outing with Canada and Now T&T .
A Honduran said to me today - Honduras is his nemesis. We did it before let us hope it can be done again. Hope is the eternal flame that burns in the Human heart.
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talk bout eat ah food, DJW an Latapy last seen heading to Ruby Tuesday...
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talk bout eat ah food, DJW an Latapy last seen heading to Ruby Tuesday...
They en route with Jamal Shabazz as the choiffeur
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so how dat headline fitting with de article ???
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The Guardian standard woefully poor these days.
Imagine Latapy get put as coach...and Molino break camp...and bounce up the coach in the dance.
As it is..thats the height of my expectations if they put Latapy
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I guess jamal shabazz is ah international coach too
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so how dat headline fitting with de article ???
Maybe dey mean foreign to football coaching?
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There is no basis to hire Latas as coach. He just recently failed miserably with the U-17 team and has not one achievement since last time he was national coach. Back then he was hired based on his player stature and it did not turn out well, seems like this will be the same reasoning to hire him again. There is NO local coach in T&T with the combined experience, football IQ and proven record to coach T&T at this critical moment. NOT ONE!
Imagine we actually talking about Shabazz as part of a coaching team :rotfl: only in Trinidad
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Louis Van Gaal, Guus Hiddink, Marcelo Bielsa, Frank de Boer, Dennis Lawrence, Dale Saunders all available.
Leh we see who go get de call
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Come nah man allyuh doh do we dat nah....there is no way in dis world that Latas could coach the men's senior team... so quit talking as if that is even ah remote possibility...NO WAY IN THIS WORLD! Trust me on this.
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The truth of the matter and let's be real, TNT can bring in whoever as Coach, any big name coach..... we players are not competent enough. Just look at the games, every game there are very simple basic mistakes that are made that costs us.....Not one player plays in any high-level league and it shows. A new coach can bring their own identity but the players have to execute and this is the issue we face.
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The truth of the matter and let's be real, TNT can bring in whoever as Coach, any big name coach..... we players are not competent enough. Just look at the games, every game there are very simple basic mistakes that are made that costs us.....Not one player plays in any high-level league and it shows. A new coach can bring their own identity but the players have to execute and this is the issue we face.
Bull the players talented enough and the lack of performance was due to many factors outside the football field ...
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Louis Van Gaal, Guus Hiddink, Marcelo Bielsa, Frank de Boer, Dennis Lawrence, Dale Saunders all available.
Leh we see who go get de call
So TTFF has the type of money to pay for them foreign coach you named? Keep in mind Hart is yet to get all his money, so that leaves me to believe they are strained in money
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Louis Van Gaal, Guus Hiddink, Marcelo Bielsa, Frank de Boer, Dennis Lawrence, Dale Saunders all available.
Leh we see who go get de call
So TTFF has the type of money to pay for them foreign coach you named? Keep in mind Hart is yet to get all his money, so that leaves me to believe they are strained in money
That's what they want you to believe... they were strained for money because they wanted to get rid of Hart and his team, but now that he is gone, they will have or find money to fund their choice..
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Louis Van Gaal, Guus Hiddink, Marcelo Bielsa, Frank de Boer, Dennis Lawrence, Dale Saunders all available.
Leh we see who go get de call
So TTFF has the type of money to pay for them foreign coach you named? Keep in mind Hart is yet to get all his money, so that leaves me to believe they are strained in money
That's what they want you to believe... they were strained for money because they wanted to get rid of Hart and his team, but now that he is gone, they will have or find money to fund their choice..
Ah was being sarcastic when I said "so that leaves me to believe they are strained in money". Sure they will find the money in the secret cabinet to fund a foreign established coach, ah hope they know foreign coaches do not play when it comes to being paid on time.
As for local coach, like I said earlier, there is no local coach in T&T with the combined experience, football IQ and proven record to take on this post at this critical moment. NONE!
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The truth of the matter and let's be real, TNT can bring in whoever as Coach, any big name coach..... we players are not competent enough. Just look at the games, every game there are very simple basic mistakes that are made that costs us.....Not one player plays in any high-level league and it shows. A new coach can bring their own identity but the players have to execute and this is the issue we face.
Bull the players talented enough and the lack of performance was due to many factors outside the football field ...
Faddah Ab have a point. Talent there no doubt but technique is inconsistent.
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The truth of the matter and let's be real, TNT can bring in whoever as Coach, any big name coach..... we players are not competent enough. Just look at the games, every game there are very simple basic mistakes that are made that costs us.....Not one player plays in any high-level league and it shows. A new coach can bring their own identity but the players have to execute and this is the issue we face.
Bull the players talented enough and the lack of performance was due to many factors outside the football field ...
Faddah Ab have a point. Talent there no doubt but technique is inconsistent.
Technique inconsistent because the man that paying wages don't want Hart to be there... divisive techniques allyuh talking about
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One of DJW's "rum buddies" will become coach..
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Corbeaux swarming around the carcas
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Louis Van Gaal, Guus Hiddink, Marcelo Bielsa, Frank de Boer, Dennis Lawrence, Dale Saunders all available.
Leh we see who go get de call
I could promise yuh the first and third ones go hit the TTFA their language's equivalent of "HYMC" if they had to deal with them for a week.
All dat nice eh..buh how much would it cost and can we afford it? We fire a coach that was basically working for free for about 6 months...it have any cheaper than that? If there is then we cant get vex when we get what we pay for.
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We cyah play Bielsa football even if we try hard. It would be frustrating for Bielsa even if he got paid on time. The only intriguing element would be his player selection from the domestic league. Horses for courses.
I listened attentively when I heard a technical director from a CFU member association ask someone from the JFF what was the point of paying Winnie Schaffer $50,000. The question came minutes after the JFF official lamented not having a facility of the quality of the questioner's federation. He thought it would be instrumental in player development (note, this is Jamaica the land of the imported and the naturalized player: a model that has endured to varying degree across all those WC cycles).
If that discussion had occurred in 1996, that would have been one thing, but the discussion occurred five WC qualification cycles following France 1998. We too are on that continual death march if we think throwing money at the problem is the solution.
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I listened attentively when I heard a technical director from a CFU member association ask someone from the JFF what was the point of paying Winnie Schaffer $50,000. The question came minutes after the JFF official lamented not having a facility of the quality of the questioner's federation. He thought it would be instrumental in player development (note, this is Jamaica the land of the imported and the naturalized player: a model that has endured to varying degree across all those WC cycles).
Iceland invested in facilities and development of coaches before throwing money at a coach and it turned out pretty well for them in the long run.
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I listened attentively when I heard a technical director from a CFU member association ask someone from the JFF what was the point of paying Winnie Schaffer $50,000. The question came minutes after the JFF official lamented not having a facility of the quality of the questioner's federation. He thought it would be instrumental in player development (note, this is Jamaica the land of the imported and the naturalized player: a model that has endured to varying degree across all those WC cycles).
Iceland invested in facilities and development of coaches before throwing money at a coach and it turned out pretty well for them in the long run.
Exactly. I was there in April and stayed in a hotel across from the national stadium. Their facilities are top notch and well taken care of. On top of that their coach is a part time dentist. They needed those facilities with the brutal winters and 20 hours of darkness. It's real rough for them so there's really no excuse for T&T to get things right.
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We cyah play Bielsa football even if we try hard.
Honest question.
You feel dem fellas even know who Bielsa is?
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We cyah play Bielsa football even if we try hard.
Honest question.
You feel dem fellas even know who Bielsa is?
Sure they do! It have wikipedia!
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We cyah play Bielsa football even if we try hard.
Honest question.
You feel dem fellas even know who Bielsa is?
Most, probably not.
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A good coach like Bielsa can get the best out of his players . Look at what has happened to Moses at Chelsea. Fitness and the ability to work hard with the right kind of motivation can lift the level of our players even though at the moment on a scale of one to Ten they are about 5.
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I listened attentively when I heard a technical director from a CFU member association ask someone from the JFF what was the point of paying Winnie Schaffer $50,000. The question came minutes after the JFF official lamented not having a facility of the quality of the questioner's federation. He thought it would be instrumental in player development (note, this is Jamaica the land of the imported and the naturalized player: a model that has endured to varying degree across all those WC cycles).
Iceland invested in facilities and development of coaches before throwing money at a coach and it turned out pretty well for them in the long run.
Exactly. I was there in April and stayed in a hotel across from the national stadium. Their facilities are top notch and well taken care of. On top of that their coach is a part time dentist. They needed those facilities with the brutal winters and 20 hours of darkness. It's real rough for them so there's really no excuse for T&T to get things right.
pacho? ???
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I listened attentively when I heard a technical director from a CFU member association ask someone from the JFF what was the point of paying Winnie Schaffer $50,000. The question came minutes after the JFF official lamented not having a facility of the quality of the questioner's federation. He thought it would be instrumental in player development (note, this is Jamaica the land of the imported and the naturalized player: a model that has endured to varying degree across all those WC cycles).
Iceland invested in facilities and development of coaches before throwing money at a coach and it turned out pretty well for them in the long run.
Exactly. I was there in April and stayed in a hotel across from the national stadium. Their facilities are top notch and well taken care of. On top of that their coach is a part time dentist. They needed those facilities with the brutal winters and 20 hours of darkness. It's real rough for them so there's really no excuse for T&T to get things right.
pacho? ???
Not sure whether Pacho had an enduring practice. Hallgrimsson does not practice now.
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I listened attentively when I heard a technical director from a CFU member association ask someone from the JFF what was the point of paying Winnie Schaffer $50,000. The question came minutes after the JFF official lamented not having a facility of the quality of the questioner's federation. He thought it would be instrumental in player development (note, this is Jamaica the land of the imported and the naturalized player: a model that has endured to varying degree across all those WC cycles).
Iceland invested in facilities and development of coaches before throwing money at a coach and it turned out pretty well for them in the long run.
Exactly. I was there in April and stayed in a hotel across from the national stadium. Their facilities are top notch and well taken care of. On top of that their coach is a part time dentist. They needed those facilities with the brutal winters and 20 hours of darkness. It's real rough for them so there's really no excuse for T&T to get things right.
pacho? ???
Not sure whether Pacho had an enduring practice. Hallgrimsson does not practice now.
Yuh throwing yuh hat in the ring brother? Because I'm sure you can do a much better job than what David choosing.. just a thought
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Ah wonder what coach Hart doing...poor fellah...de man try eh...he get let down left right and center...u clda tell he passionate about Trinidad and Tobago football. Man sacrifice being away from he family, was already planning how to move forward...yea that's his job...but he truly cared. I just feel rel bad for him...fkn stinking dutty DJW and his cronies...when this dicktator going and ride out jred....if we fail this campaign he should get fired too!!!!
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CONCACAF Watch: Plenty riding on manager announcement for Trinidad and Tobago
By Jon Arnold (goal.com)
The Trinidad and Tobago FA elected to cut loose coach Stephen Hart, but his replacement will have to quickly cope with challenges.
Former Trinidad and Tobago coach Stephen Hart knew what was coming.
Nothing was settled when we spoke days before a meeting with the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association, and Hart expressed optimism about the team's future. But he also knew how the culture is - and how losing two matches to start the final round of World Cup qualification looks.
Hart was fired at the meeting, but said before it that administrators often look for the simplest fix.
"You have to be stable in administration. People are always jumping in, changing and looking for solutions and sometimes they say, ‘Let’s just change the coach,’ or ‘Let’s just change one player,’" Hart told Goal USA. "And it’s never as simple as that when the structure that is necessary to bring the football forward, especially from a youth development perspective on a consistent basis, you need some sort of continuity in player development. Then you also need to have your players consistently playing at a decent level outside of the country, sorry to say that, but that’s the reality."
Now, as Hart moves on to his next project, Trinidad and Tobago must move on as well, and fans will hope the new manager will be able to lead the team back to the heights it achieved in the previous decade, when it made the 2006 World Cup.
The fact that the announcement won't come until Wednesday doesn't engender a lot of faith. The United States fired Jurgen Klinsmann on Nov. 21 and announced his successor, Bruce Arena, a day later. Hart and the federation parted ways Nov. 24, with the replacement set to be named nearly two full weeks after the firing.
While both the U.S. and Trinidad and Tobago started the Hex with defeats and decided it was time to make a change, it was even more important for officials in Port of Spain to act quickly. An extra-time Caribbean Cup qualification loss to Martinique in Fort-de-France sent the Soca Warriors into a playoff with two other teams to get through to a playoff for a spot in the Gold Cup. Those matches will take place in Trinidad, which is obviously a big benefit, but as other managers around the region call in mini-camps ahead of January tournaments, Trinidad and Tobago's players still are unsure about who will be calling the shots. There's a vital match less than a month away for Trinidad and still no coach.
It's tough to judge whether or not there will be progress without knowing who Trindad and Tobago has been able to secure as its next boss. David John-Williams, the president of the federation, told local media the federation received 26 applications for the job. Surely there are good applicants in that pool, and the person who ends up filling the post may be a genius hire.
But there's also reason for skepticism with a federation that has struggled with a lack of resources.
"The relationship is an ongoing one in which we’re trying to do what’s best for the team, I guess," Hart said of the TTFA before his removal. "But anybody coming into that situation, it’s very difficult because there’s a complete lack of financial stability. And once there’s a lack of financial stability, what is necessary is to raise the standard of your flagship team, which is your senior men and that is not marked up the way it should be compared to other teams in the Hex."
Trinidad and Tobago's women's team also has had issues with finances, essentially arriving in the United States without money in 2014 for a qualification tournament that ended with the team remarkably falling just shy of a spot at the 2015 Women's World Cup. As Hart notes, this is a new federation, but the early signs haven't been inspiring.
Hiring a quality coach and funding his project so that he can oversee a successful team would be the best thing for soccer in Trinidad and Tobago. Sadly, we've too often seen directors take decisions that weren't in the best interest of the sport and those who play and support it. It's too early to say if letting Hart go was the right thing, but as he pointed out the job is always going to be a difficult one until changes take place higher up the food chain.
"For me, the teams in the Caribbean, it’s always rolling the dice. It’s always a fluke when the teams do well," he said. "For example, they did well at the last Gold Cup and they do well because you have time with the team, spend some proper time and developmental time with the unit and you go into the Gold Cup and you show a fair amount of competency, but even when you get to the latter stages you sometimes struggle to get over that hump. It’s a matter of stability and treating players in the right way and paying them on time. There are so many things that need to be done."
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SH sounds like he would be interested in taking over from DJW.
Can't say I wouldn't back that.