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Sports => Football => Topic started by: Big Magician on March 25, 2017, 06:27:26 AM
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this Playing Nice football ting we keep talking about...tnt playing nice..or not playing nice football...all dat is ah set of b#llshit...
it have NONE of allyuh here who see more tnt football matches than me....NONE...
i challenge you to send me a "full match footage" of TnT playing nice football...not highlights eh...FULL match...AND..then send the match before and the match after that one...to show consistence " NICE " football.
I know what people mean when people say NICE..is a knock and ah brand..Barca..Arsenal..AJAX...da da da...
how de hell we could play like dat when we did not develop our kids to play like in dat same manner ??..eh ??...
show me a Beenhakker match ??..and then a next one...Strike Squad ??... lord...show me one.. i see all...
to strive to play " nice " football is one thing...but...war not pretty
i have a padna ..after every tnt match...he does MSG me.. " how we Look ??"...and i know exactly what he asking...cause he want the nice fitball too... i does respond saying... we loss.. or.. we win... or.. we draw... F#CK NICE...dais for Miss Universe...
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Anyhow yuh win it nice.
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BigMag.....how about organized....purposeful in play....
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yea MEP...THAT is International football.... i really on de men with this so called " NICE " knock /brand...
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Well Big Magician , I may be in a position to challenge you about seeing more T&T matches. I go way back to the Grand stand , Savannah in the days of T&T vs Suriname. Be that as it may I understand what you are saying about Nice. Most of us are addicted to our way of thinking and Nice for you may not be Nice for me. I called Touches and ask him how we looking as a Team. I am looking for good chemistry , pressing the ball , stringing passes together . Running into spaces and quick counter attack.
That is Nice for me, although I would say an efficient performance can trump Nice.
Most Fans look at the Strike Squad Era under Gally and called that NICE football. Latapy is a NICE footballer . I guess when we can beat men and Dribble like Clauzel, or head a ball like Ronnie Gray and tackle like the TANK- Delabastide , or string up the goalkeeper like Chalky Hamel smith , that is Nice football. As the saying goes Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, and so Is Nice football. Getting to Russia is all that matters and I don't care how Nice we play , winning is the name of the Game and War is never Nice.
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yes Father....i take de challenge Injun...hahah..sweet...great input...blessings big man.
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injunchile hol up..explain who the dread dribbler was...some people may not know.....
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I been sayin years dat we have d tools for fast workmanlike 1-2 touch football like d states play.....we does call dat ugly because we gravitate to towards South American styles, but my question is simple how much time we beat dat and how much time it beat we.......I like d simple break neck pace of EPL for instance over La liga, which never hold my interest, it technically superior footballing wise, but I find dull by comparison.
but den I see beauty in d fast and physical and will take ah straight up brawl over praying mantis any day of the week ......what we did against mex is proof dat we is trouble when we up d tempo
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this Playing Nice football ting we keep talking about...tnt playing nice..or not playing nice football...all dat is ah set of b#llshit...
... F#CK NICE...dais for Miss Universe...
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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this Playing Nice football ting we keep talking about...tnt playing nice..or not playing nice football...all dat is ah set of b#llshit...
it have NONE of allyuh here who see more tnt football matches than me....NONE...
i challenge you to send me a "full match footage" of TnT playing nice football...not highlights eh...FULL match...AND..then send the match before and the match after that one...to show consistence " NICE " football.
I know what people mean when people say NICE..is a knock and ah brand..Barca..Arsenal..AJAX...da da da...
how de hell we could play like dat when we did not develop our kids to play like in dat same manner ??..eh ??...
show me a Beenhakker match ??..and then a next one...Strike Squad ??... lord...show me one.. i see all...
to strive to play " nice " football is one thing...but...war not pretty
i have a padna ..after every tnt match...he does MSG me.. " how we Look ??"...and i know exactly what he asking...cause he want the nice fitball too... i does respond saying... we loss.. or.. we win... or.. we draw... F#CK NICE...dais for Miss Universe...
"Nice" Big Mag :rotfl:
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We played a better brand under Hart... simple, we were more attacking and deadlier in the opponents first third..
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Big mag best post 2017 - before Leo it was long ball game, after Leo it was wildman no plan tactics. If we had a brand it would be a defensive one, it took us to the WC and worked well in the group stages.
I feel like alot of people on here expecting a miracle worker. Result against Panama was indeed a miracle, they don't realize to build a team at international level can take years, Dennis had weeks. Ofc there is going to be up's and downs and chances are we not going to qualify. Does this make Dennis a bad coach? Nope. It just makes him human.. cmon ppl the man isn't Jesus. Stop with the unrealistic expectations.
What is written above is exactly why DJW introduction to the last coach was super not cool. You bring in a guy who knows nothing about our football.. sheesh we don't even know much about our football, expect him to pull a rabbit out of a hat to get results. The truth is we are still looking inwards to identify our brand.
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Well Big Magician , I may be in a position to challenge you about seeing more T&T matches. I go way back to the Grand stand , Savannah in the days of T&T vs Suriname. Be that as it may I understand what you are saying about Nice. Most of us are addicted to our way of thinking and Nice for you may not be Nice for me. I called Touches and ask him how we looking as a Team. I am looking for good chemistry , pressing the ball , stringing passes together . Running into spaces and quick counter attack.
That is Nice for me, although I would say an efficient performance can trump Nice.
Most Fans look at the Strike Squad Era under Gally and called that NICE football. Latapy is a NICE footballer . I guess when we can beat men and Dribble like Clauzel, or head a ball like Ronnie Gray and tackle like the TANK- Delabastide , or string up the goalkeeper like Chalky Hamel smith , that is Nice football. As the saying goes Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, and so Is Nice football. Getting to Russia is all that matters and I don't care how Nice we play , winning is the name of the Game and War is never Nice.
Nice post! :devil:
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Beautiful Post Big Mag...............
It amazes me how men want brand and brand..........its almost laughable. These men need to watch a FULL Strike Squad game and realise that it was much of the same 25 years ago.
Contro, you need to stop this Hart obsession, please move on and support the side. Even Hart probably feeling shame if he reading your posts.
I am positively sure that your fingers are crossed hoping for Mexico to beat us for you to pull out your knife to take a stab at Dennis. You were once a decent poster, but now you have rebranded yourself into the laughing stock of sw.net. Every time i meet up with sw.net posters, they refer to your posts and laugh.
So i am begging you Gino, LET IT GO!!
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injunchile hol up..explain who the dread dribbler was...some people may not know.....
ian clauzel. he went to school with my older brother who happened so to be a rasta. they also called him muscle head. my older brother was ostriscized and kicked out the house because he turned rasta at an early age, now he's the salt if the earth and is venerated as a saint because he's very successful. life.
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Beautiful Post Big Mag...............
It amazes me how men want brand and brand..........its almost laughable. These men need to watch a FULL Strike Squad game and realise that it was much of the same 25 years ago.
Contro, you need to stop this Hart obsession, please move on and support the side. Even Hart probably feeling shame if he reading your posts.
I am positively sure that your fingers are crossed hoping for Mexico to beat us for you to pull out your knife to take a stab at Dennis. You were once a decent poster, but now you have rebranded yourself into the laughing stock of sw.net. Every time i meet up with sw.net posters, they refer to your posts and laugh.
So i am begging you Gino, LET IT GO!!
Tallest have my full support but that doesn't mean I have to love the brand of football I saw on display... it wasn't free flowing football and was disjointed at many moments.. Supporting your team fully and critiquing them can both exist in the same world..
I want our team to qualify but someone needs to point out reality, if you think Mexico will sleep on those mistakes, you're wrong... we were playing a much better brand of football when we drew with them twice and was in many instances in situations to beat them..
Football has progressed significantly since the strike squad days, that's a poor assessment ....
I'm also loving the hypocrisy on the board, under Hart men were adamant about brand and style of play, now all of a sudden the same armchair coaches throwing that out the window, it doesn't matter what brand of football Tallest plays lol gotta love the double standard
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We played a better brand under Hart... simple, we were more attacking and deadlier in the opponents first third..
A question for all posters, solely with respect to World Cup qualifying matches ( so doh mention de Gold Cup) ... what in your view (again any/all posters ... only using Contro's post to ask) was the best team performance under SH?
Performance and result doh mean the same, eh.
Wha allyuh think?
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Contro, you make valid points. At this moment, it may appear to you that there is a double standard between SH and DL. The reality is that we have to win the next to be in the running for Moscow. A win is a win. We will deal with style as we go along. After Mexico game, we go back into a two months funk of the national team not playing friendlies and warmup games. Not getting friendlies to keep our on par with Mex. and US was Hart's down fall. That part of the equation fell mostly on DJW. DJW wanted Hart out from the time he won the election. And yes, you are correct that he did what he could to undermine SH. But we have to move on, because we have WC game on Tue. I am disappointed in DJW performance so far. But we in a Leicester city situation. Don't support your national because of TTFA, or support our Beloved Warriors because of the struggles they go through due to bad management. When they take the field vs Mexico, Dennis, DJW, SH and Sol will not be on the field with them. Is the players. Support them, win or lose.
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That's the mature outlook Deeks, as painful as it might be for all collateral damage suffered along the way...
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We played a better brand under Hart... simple, we were more attacking and deadlier in the opponents first third..
A question for all posters, solely with respect to World Cup qualifying matches ( so doh mention de Gold Cup) ... what in your view (again any/all posters ... only using Contro's post to ask) was the best team performance under SH?
Performance and result doh mean the same, eh.
Wha allyuh think?
I would say the 4-4 draw at the gold cup. It was a great showing if desire and effort which gave us a great result. However it was NEVER due to a "great" brand that we were playing. We simply played to our strengths which along with the attributes i mentioned earlier we had speed and a big classic centre forward who drew attention to himself, knocked the ball down and brought other technical players into play. What everyone thought was a fluke was repeated with the 2nd 3-3. Then complacency by the players, a vindictive DJW bore fruit leading to indiscipline in camp, subpar performances and Hart's dismissal without giving him the tools to rectify it.
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We played a better brand under Hart... simple, we were more attacking and deadlier in the opponents first third..
A question for all posters, solely with respect to World Cup qualifying matches ( so doh mention de Gold Cup) ... what in your view (again any/all posters ... only using Contro's post to ask) was the best team performance under SH?
Performance and result doh mean the same, eh.
Wha allyuh think?
I would say the 4-4 draw at the gold cup. It was a great showing if desire and effort which gave us a great result. However it was NEVER due to a "great" brand that we were playing. We simply played to our strengths which along with the attributes i mentioned earlier we had speed and a big classic centre forward who drew attention to himself, knocked the ball down and brought other technical players into play. What everyone thought was a fluke was repeated with the 2nd 3-3. Then complacency by the players, a vindictive DJW bore fruit leading to indiscipline in camp, subpar performances and Hart's dismissal without giving him the tools to rectify it.
Epic match, but I'm asking only regarding WC qualifying.
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In my opinion, the best performance under Hart was the 2-1 in Guatemala last year. People keep referring to the 4-4 and the 3-3 vs Mexico, but those games weren't games of consequence.
We did show great heart and spirit, but one game was a friendly, while the other was a game after we both qualified for the next round.
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We played a better brand under Hart... simple, we were more attacking and deadlier in the opponents first third..
A question for all posters, solely with respect to World Cup qualifying matches ( so doh mention de Gold Cup) ... what in your view (again any/all posters ... only using Contro's post to ask) was the best team performance under SH?
Performance and result doh mean the same, eh.
Wha allyuh think?
I would say the 4-4 draw at the gold cup. It was a great showing if desire and effort which gave us a great result. However it was NEVER due to a "great" brand that we were playing. We simply played to our strengths which along with the attributes i mentioned earlier we had speed and a big classic centre forward who drew attention to himself, knocked the ball down and brought other technical players into play. What everyone thought was a fluke was repeated with the 2nd 3-3. Then complacency by the players, a vindictive DJW bore fruit leading to indiscipline in camp, subpar performances and Hart's dismissal without giving him the tools to rectify it.
Epic match, but I'm asking only regarding WC qualifying.
Point taken and with that I must agree with Andre. That 2-1 was the best in WCQ. I should also mention when we did that mini tournament in the middle east, the game against UAE that we were behind and turned it around was really brilliant. Plaza was the one that started the comeback if I remember correctly
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I asked the question, but didn't wish to provide an opinion until a few responses came in. Will give my view now.
First, it's clear that only a handful of matches are candidates for "the best WC qualifying match under Hart", and that none of those matches are matches from this round of competition (meaning not versus Costa Rica at home and not versus Honduras away). As such, it boils down to performances versus the US, SVG and Guatemala.
There ought to be no argument that the performance versus St. Vincent and Grenadines away was not a fine moment. Similarly, although we replicated three points versus SVG in T&T, it was not a match that presented unsurmountable difficulty or a template for playing through WC qualifying (it was about erasing the close shave that occurred in Arnos Vale), and even so, it took us a considerable period into the match to start getting the job done.
There are only two matches that are candidates for the throne (Guatemala away and US at home). Having viewed both matches live (that is, not on TV, but at the respective stadia) and again subsequently recorded, I regard the match versus the US as the best of the lot. Nevertheless, that stated, I recognize the obvious worth and significance of our two away goals in Guatemala and the individual quality that produced them. However, as we celebrate those goals and their historical significance, there is the tendency to neglect the collective defects that were torturing SH in the technical area (people who read this forum would know what they are because SH was not shy about stating elements that were missing or that did not "come together". We were not sufficiently cohesive and we were not particularly fluent, but we did enough. On top of that, I can't ignore the late goal we conceded with stoppage time to play.
My best game was what was produced versus the US at home in the 0-0 draw. It was a branded match performance with which there can be little quarrel, only perhaps a quibble. The US was challenged comprehensively on both sides of the ball. Admittedly, we had a line of confrontation issue late in the game and an almost consequential issue with dealing with Jermaine Jones that in part stemmed from Michael Bradley's playing IQ, but we largely managed transition moments with application and there was a stamp of authority in the product.
While certainly an argument could be made that Trevin Caesar could have been introduced fractionally earlier, all of the substitutions transparently supported the product on display. There were all the right horses for that course.
I doh think there's a person who left the HCS without optimism and confidence that night.
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the first half vz USA away...was world class by tnt...top draw stuff...then we lost 4-0 ( 4-1 ?/)
but Guatemala away was serious deep digging stuff
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the first half vz USA away...was world class by tnt...top draw stuff...then we lost 4-0 ( 4-1 ?/)
but Guatemala away was serious deep digging stuff
BEST HALF OF FOOTBALL I HAVE EVER SEEN FROM A NATIONAL FOOTBALL TEAM. It was a pity that we conceded late in the first half and eventually lost 4-0.
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the first half vz USA away...was world class by tnt...top draw stuff...then we lost 4-0 ( 4-1 ?/)
but Guatemala away was serious deep digging stuff
BEST HALF OF FOOTBALL I HAVE EVER SEEN FROM A NATIONAL FOOTBALL TEAM. It was a pity that we conceded late in the first half and eventually lost 4-0.
this seem to contradict the very first post of the thread. b/c during this 1st half of football i was the most proud or most optimistic that we was going to put hurt on the US. I was drunk as a fish in the middle of a stadium packed with yanks and continually shoutin to my two trini partners beside me: "when last you see trini knock ball like that!?" [to weird stares from everybody around]. I think part of the talk about brand is the general feeling that 'if only we had a molino in there or a bostock or one extra umph, we could box with anybody in concacaf all day every day'. Compared to the panama win where..as one poster put it, we was just lucky.. and you can't ride luck forever.
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I think that it is an insult to the eleven players that i saw on the pitch giving their all for their country to categorize that victory as "lucky"!!
All teams need an element of good fortune, but that is another discussion
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I think that it is an insult to the eleven players that i saw on the pitch giving their all for their country to categorize that victory as "lucky"!!
All teams need an element of good fortune, but that is another discussion
Well said Dre. Well said :thumbsup:
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There is nothing wrong with 'nice football'. Its just a hangup from the era of amateur football when how you played the game was as important as winning the game. Today every backyard football league accross the globe today is linked into a larger corporate structure in which money and winning matters so much more. Thats the reality, but our football culture is still struggling to adapt to that. Ironically TT football was never so popular as when it was amateur/semi-professional.
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I think that it is an insult to the eleven players that i saw on the pitch giving their all for their country to categorize that victory as "lucky"!!
All teams need an element of good fortune, but that is another discussion
Well said Dre. Well said :thumbsup:
I disagree. I think calling it lucky is recognizing that we will have to improve and do better if we expect to qualify for this world cup.
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I think that it is an insult to the eleven players that i saw on the pitch giving their all for their country to categorize that victory as "lucky"!!
All teams need an element of good fortune, but that is another discussion
nah man. It cyah be so binary [one box or the other]. I was the 1st to say on Sam player thread he rate the players performance too low, so you cyah really put me in the Contro hellbent on proving point box. I recognize and appreciate that they give it their all and without that we coulda never pull it off, but if you comparing brands [the topic of the thread], I think we more likely to depend on luck to get victories with this brand than the brand we was playing that you quote as "the best you ever see". same players, so it really boiling down to the underlying philosophy or brand.
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I think that it is an insult to the eleven players that i saw on the pitch giving their all for their country to categorize that victory as "lucky"!!
All teams need an element of good fortune, but that is another discussion
nah man. It cyah be so binary [one box or the other]. I was the 1st to say on Sam player thread he rate the players performance too low, so you cyah really put me in the Contro hellbent on proving point box. I recognize and appreciate that they give it their all and without that we coulda never pull it off, but if you comparing brands [the topic of the thread], I think we more likely to depend on luck to get victories with this brand than the brand we was playing that you quote as "the best you ever see". same players, so it really boiling down to the underlying philosophy or brand.
Some of it is luck but I get what Andre is saying..
To me it was just below their standard, they can play much better, with some luck on their side..
Can't attribute it all to luck, it was just poorly played football at times which can be analyzed as they haven't been together for a long time and feeling out Tallest program and adjusting..
I hope they are adjusting fast enough for tomorrow because we need an improved performance with some luck to win... Mexico not just coming to lie down and take it.. they not in the jamette business..
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It's a testament to the players and a virtual miracle that T&T keeps punching WAY above it's weight in this arena.
Given the state of our football, the...up till lawrence's appointment anyway.....refusal of the administration to truly provide the team with what it needs to be competitive...far less successful.....and without a single player in a top world league (with all due respect to MLS, Belgium 2nd division, Vietnam etc)...it is a wonder we consistently do so well....all those factors considered
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yes palos...
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You must have Hart ...And you should not be scared
When they rough you up ...You rough them up even worse
That's how we score ..That Torres been on KJ case in the first have as soon as he leave ..Bang bang
You make them pay...You must match the opposition intensity
Let ask a question here...How many times KJ fall in this game as oppose to games before
Take no dam prisoners ..None ..Just manners them all the time....We been playing softball for way to long...
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It's a testament to the players and a virtual miracle that T&T keeps punching WAY above it's weight in this arena.
Given the state of our football, the...up till lawrence's appointment anyway.....refusal of the administration to truly provide the team with what it needs to be competitive...far less successful.....and without a single player in a top world league (with all due respect to MLS, Belgium 2nd division, Vietnam etc)...it is a wonder we consistently do so well....all those factors considered
GPRS?
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It's a testament to the players and a virtual miracle that T&T keeps punching WAY above it's weight in this arena.
Given the state of our football, the...up till lawrence's appointment anyway.....refusal of the administration to truly provide the team with what it needs to be competitive...far less successful.....and without a single player in a top world league (with all due respect to MLS, Belgium 2nd division, Vietnam etc)...it is a wonder we consistently do so well....all those factors considered
:beermug:
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reminds of the saying: The operation was a success - The patient dead!
fixating on brand at the expense of results. there's no judge in this sport. this isn't synchronized swimming.
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reminds of the saying: The operation was a success - The patient dead!
fixating on brand at the expense of results. there's no judge in this sport. this isn't synchronized swimming.
"Brand" and results go hand in hand
You won't consistently get results unless you're organized, disciplined and technically proficient.
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Everything is relative.
T&T does play nice if we playing lower tier Caribbean teams.
If you look throughout the 90's, especially when we were at home, I am very sure you can find 3 consecutive games in the CFU cup where we played attractive football. When T&T play most Caribbean teams (well at least in the 90's and 2000's) we looked like Barcelona, esp with Latas pulling the strings.
But when we stepped up in opposition, we always end up playing on the back foot. Then we do not look so nice. I have always said that when we play quality opposition, if they decide to set up in their own half, we do not have a clue what to do with the ball. We only good playing on the counter, running into spaces to use our speed and flair in open space.
Technique wise - there is a pecking order. We are the Mexico/Barcelona of the Caribbean, but we get tap up when we step up.
But to Big Mag point, I remember in the 1999, we went un a 8 game winning streak when BSC was in charge.
We beat Ja twice, Haiti got hammered a half dozen, and we beat South Africa and Colombia. I am sure you can find a string of games we played nice.
In the Semi Final round of WCQ in 2000, we went on a tear beating Canada in Canada, then hit Panama 6 and Canada 4 in Trinidad. Mexico also got beaten 1-0 as well, all in a 4 game stretch. We looked awesome in this spell.
But it didn't last.
At this level in the HEX, its not about playing nice, its about getting results. Only once in our history we got enough points to qualify, so we don't have the luxury of trying to play nice. Make no doubt about it, Trinidad vs Mexico later will be like Stoke vs Arsenal.
Good thing is that Stoke can beat Arsenal and we have beaten Mexico before consistently (at home).
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At this level in the HEX, its not about playing nice, its about getting results.
"Nice" for me is keep possession and organized.....hustle to win the ball back when we lose possession....be organized and disciplined at the back....be clinical in finishing....and make the timely save when needed.
Fail to do any of those....and yuh eh getting any results at this level.
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At this level in the HEX, its not about playing nice, its about getting results.
"Nice" for me is keep possession and organized.....hustle to win the ball back when we lose possession....be organized and disciplined at the back....be clinical in finishing....and make the timely save when needed.
Fail to do any of those....and yuh eh getting any results at this level.
:beermug:
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so play "nice" and lose 1-0 or play ugly and win 1-0
People doh remember nice or ugly only win or losses. If we can play nice and win fine but our mental aptitude must create a mindset that we always want to win no matter what and that is where the ugly has to come in at times.
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Growing up the teams I easily identified as having a distinct style of football were England, Brazil, Holland, Germany and Italy.
Since then England no longer play long ball
Brazil has become very European as a result of how their players are spread all over the world and at one point during the 90s were almost absent of all creativity. I do admit some of the samba is creeping back into their play.
Holland of today has shed most its total football brand and is pretty much conventional.
Germany and Italy have largely remained the same as their football is built on industry and discipline both in their own way.
What I observe today are broad adaptations by different teams where teams within a region play similar styles.
African teams leverage physical strength and speed
Asian teams also rely on speed and movement.
British teams outside of England still employ some version of long ball football.
The concept of tiki-taka football is also widely adopted across different geographies.
Trinidad and Tobago has no real pattern or style, we have bits and pieces of individual skill that can show itself based on the level of opposition. Coaches lay out a tactical plan and the players try to execute.
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At this level in the HEX, its not about playing nice, its about getting results.
"Nice" for me is keep possession and organized.....hustle to win the ball back when we lose possession....be organized and disciplined at the back....be clinical in finishing....and make the timely save when needed.
Fail to do any of those....and yuh eh getting any results at this level.
Sounds like you believe they have to be perfect to win.
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So can we even attempt to answer Big Mags question now or maybe it should be asked Did Mexico play nice?
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At this level in the HEX, its not about playing nice, its about getting results.
"Nice" for me is keep possession and organized.....hustle to win the ball back when we lose possession....be organized and disciplined at the back....be clinical in finishing....and make the timely save when needed.
Fail to do any of those....and yuh eh getting any results at this level.
Sounds like you believe they have to be perfect to win.
Well...we didn't win yesterday did we
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reminds of the saying: The operation was a success - The patient dead!
fixating on brand at the expense of results. there's no judge in this sport. this isn't synchronized swimming.
"Brand" and results go hand in hand
You won't consistently get results unless you're organized, disciplined and technically proficient.
good point. they should reinforce each other. if the results are not forthcoming, de brand needs to be examined. brand without results is no good and as you wisely point out results without brand cannot happen on a consistent basis.
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There is nothing wrong with 'nice football'. Its just a hangup from the era of amateur football when how you played the game was as important as winning the game. Today every backyard football league accross the globe today is linked into a larger corporate structure in which money and winning matters so much more. Thats the reality, but our football culture is still struggling to adapt to that. Ironically TT football was never so popular as when it was amateur/semi-professional.
:beermug: didn't have the electronic entertainment industry and fastliving society to compete with. Ppl actually left their house and travelled in relative safety to watch ah game and lime, the off-field entertainment was worth the price of admission, which was free. Some would get drunk and make it back home, and some would wake up ALIVE in ah ravine next morning, and get back home or go straight to work. Remember meh father's favourite park bench by the savanahh. still there today lol