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Title: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Sam on September 03, 2017, 06:45:29 AM
Can a giraffe coach pothounds to play football?

Too much cooks in de pot.

DJW picking de players.

We goalkeeprs playing like Ross Russell.

De team playing like Defence Force defence because Sol Campbell ride out and Lawrence they.

De midfield playing like W Connection one because Stuart Charles they,

We forward playing like Stern John when he use to play for North East Stars

David John Williams tell Flex he dont get involved with team selection when Flex ask him about Greg Ramjitsingh.

After de shit Jan Michael put down last night, if Greg wasn't born in a foreign country and didn't have indian in him, he was scure getting call.

Allyuh see de crowd attendance since DJW took over T&T football.

Just now T&T football will be running like de Pro League.

They could build all de training center they want to impress FIFA is de same ole.

Look how jokie Lawrence is, Trevin Caesar never get call up by Lawrence, now he call him.

All de frienldy they play, he never call de man.

9 games now, he never call de man, he call everybody else.

Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Trini _2022 on September 03, 2017, 06:57:23 AM
Sam already dam yuh nuh easy
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on September 03, 2017, 08:29:30 AM
The problem with this team is not just DL last year under SH the team played the same way in a game that TT had to win against Guatemala these players lack the leadership and mental toughness to play in a big game situation and when a coach keep changing players every game it makes the problem worse.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on September 03, 2017, 08:39:03 AM
But if he doesn't change players, how would he accomplish progress? Wouldn't he be rewarding under-performers?
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Sam on September 03, 2017, 11:59:23 AM
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Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: pull stones on September 03, 2017, 01:08:46 PM
Can a giraffe coach pothounds to play football?

Too much cooks in de pot.

DJW picking de players.

We goalkeeprs playing like Ross Russell.

De team playing like Defence Force defence because Sol Campbell ride out and Lawrence they.

De midfield playing like W Connection one because Stuart Charles they,

We forward playing like Stern John when he use to play for North East Stars

David John Williams tell Flex he dont get involved with team selection when Flex ask him about Greg Ramjitsingh.

After de shit Jan Michael put down last night, if Greg wasn't born in a foreign country and didn't have indian in him, he was scure getting call.

Allyuh see de crowd attendance since DJW took over T&T football.

Just now T&T football will be running like de Pro League.

They could build all de training center they want to impress FIFA is de same ole.

Look how jokie Lawrence is, Trevin Caesar never get call up by Lawrence, now he call him.

All de frienldy they play, he never call de man.

9 games now, he never call de man, he call everybody else.
sam sol Campbell has been with the team for two weeks now and is in panama with dennis and the team for tuesdays match. I don't believe that DJW is selecting the players and would think that dennis has the same freedom that Steven hart had to choose his team. what I do believe is that the coach relys on his staff to help him make the right selection and they certainly has got it wrong for this important match.

as for firing lawrence I would say that it's a very bad idea which would only set us back even further. the players like the coach and they seem comfortable with him and under his leadership we were very unlucky with key players being injured together with very questionable officiating causing us to lose out on goal scoring situations (obvious penalties and disallowed goals), and we were truly never outclassed by any team under his stewardship even the usa game where we lossed three zero we still had our chances not to mention we had a goal disallowed and a few bad calls that could have changed the complexion of the game. and I think firing the coach at this juncture would be premature debilitating and counter productive.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Cocorite on September 03, 2017, 03:26:58 PM
Tim Kee and Hart.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on September 03, 2017, 04:04:50 PM
But if he doesn't change players, how would he accomplish progress? Wouldn't he be rewarding under-performers?
It is to late  to be changing players if you are still looking for players at this stage you should not be coaching and I would not call players like the Williams kid who was playing left back and C Gonzales under performers DL just got his tactics wrong.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Tobago28 on September 03, 2017, 06:24:25 PM
Can a giraffe coach pothounds to play football?

Too much cooks in de pot.

DJW picking de players.

We goalkeeprs playing like Ross Russell.

De team playing like Defence Force defence because Sol Campbell ride out and Lawrence they.

De midfield playing like W Connection one because Stuart Charles they,

We forward playing like Stern John when he use to play for North East Stars

David John Williams tell Flex he dont get involved with team selection when Flex ask him about Greg Ramjitsingh.

After de shit Jan Michael put down last night, if Greg wasn't born in a foreign country and didn't have indian in him, he was scure getting call.

Allyuh see de crowd attendance since DJW took over T&T football.

Just now T&T football will be running like de Pro League.

They could build all de training center they want to impress FIFA is de same ole.

Look how jokie Lawrence is, Trevin Caesar never get call up by Lawrence, now he call him.

All de frienldy they play, he never call de man.

9 games now, he never call de man, he call everybody else.
sam sol Campbell has been with the team for two weeks now and is in panama with dennis and the team for tuesdays match. I don't believe that DJW is selecting the players and would think that dennis has the same freedom that Steven hart had to choose his team. what I do believe is that the coach relys on his staff to help him make the right selection and they certainly has got it wrong for this important match.

as for firing lawrence I would say that it's a very bad idea which would only set us back even further. the players like the coach and they seem comfortable with him and under his leadership we were very unlucky with key players being injured together with very questionable officiating causing us to lose out on goal scoring situations (obvious penalties and disallowed goals), and we were truly never outclassed by any team under his stewardship even the usa game where we lossed three zero we still had our chances not to mention we had a goal disallowed and a few bad calls that could have changed the complexion of the game. and I think firing the coach at this juncture would be premature debilitating and counter productive.

Pull Stones ah will have to rename you "two pull" because of the absolute height of madness you just state. Every excuse in the book, you might as well blame the air bridge and inter island ferry. You also forgot the effect of the solar eclipse..lol
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on September 03, 2017, 06:32:00 PM
But if he doesn't change players, how would he accomplish progress? Wouldn't he be rewarding under-performers?
It is to late  to be changing players if you are still looking for players at this stage you should not be coaching and I would not call players like the Williams kid who was playing left back and C Gonzales under performers DL just got his tactics wrong.

Disagree. Dahis harsh! How many matches has he had to refine his "Best XI". Lehwe be serious. Grenada, Ecuador, Jamaica (who ah miss?) and the actual qualfiers (each of which presented a distinct tactical challenge)?

How many training sessions has he had with the squad (sessions that would not have been regeneration sessions etc)? Count them.

Then factor in injured players. Then factor in players unavailable due to non-FIFA dates.

Then factor in miscellaneous bullshit.

None of that is to say that he doh have responsibility to bear and questions to answer, but yuh being harsh.

It too late to change players? Never.

On top of which, how many players has Juan Carlos Osorio used? He cyah coach? Where does Mexico sit in the standings? Same Mexico that ketch plenty trouble last WC qualification?

Come again.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Jumbie on September 03, 2017, 07:13:17 PM
Time for DL to go! He's an assistant coach at best (for now).

Fan of him as a player, not as a coach.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: gawd on pitch on September 03, 2017, 07:24:24 PM
Although I do think DL can do things better. The attention needs to shift towards DJW. If DL was to go, DJW will bring in another Sainfete. . Or something of that variation. Which I know we don't want. The discussion needs to be about ridding the TTFA of DJW. Plain and simple.

Hart coach, Lawrence assistant, is a combination I will like to see.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: coache on September 03, 2017, 07:32:11 PM
...so why allyuh want  to fire de man now? 

...and why allyuh want to dis  de man so now..? 

Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Anbrat on September 03, 2017, 08:44:56 PM
...so why allyuh want  to fire de man now? 

...and why allyuh want to dis  de man so now..? 



Are U implying that he shud have been fired and dissed before now?
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on September 04, 2017, 02:08:18 AM
But if he doesn't change players, how would he accomplish progress? Wouldn't he be rewarding under-performers?
It is to late  to be changing players if you are still looking for players at this stage you should not be coaching and I would not call players like the Williams kid who was playing left back and C Gonzales under performers DL just got his tactics wrong.

Disagree. Dahis harsh! How many matches has he had to refine his "Best XI". Lehwe be serious. Grenada, Ecuador, Jamaica (who ah miss?) and the actual qualfiers (each of which presented a distinct tactical challenge)?

How many training sessions has he had with the squad (sessions that would not have been regeneration sessions etc)? Count them.

Then factor in injured players. Then factor in players unavailable due to non-FIFA dates.

Then factor in miscellaneous bullshit.

None of that is to say that he doh have responsibility to bear and questions to answer, but yuh being harsh.

It too late to change players? Never.

On top of which, how many players has Juan Carlos Osorio used? He cyah coach? Where does Mexico sit in the standings? Same Mexico that ketch plenty trouble last WC qualification?

Come again.
Its kind of silly comparing the Mexican league to the Trinidadian league the Mexican league is the best in the CONCACAF so they can change a player anytime and he could do a professional job the league in TT is just a bunch amateur coach's and players pretending to be professional you don't take somebody from the pro league and give him his debut in a WC you looking for trouble and if Mexico keep Juan Carlos Osorio for the WC they will be trashed in the WC.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Controversial on September 04, 2017, 03:28:46 AM
Shouldn't have been hired in the first place

You had men like pacho and them apply and you gave it to Tallest?

Tallest can't coach, he's green, said this from the beginning but no one listens, he tow the damn line with the dictator

Hart is a cut above all of these jokers, imagine Tallest has a full contingent and Hart had a depleted one and still did better
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: pull stones on September 04, 2017, 05:19:33 AM
Shouldn't have been hired in the first place

You had men like pacho and them apply and you gave it to Tallest?

Tallest can't coach, he's green, said this from the beginning but no one listens, he tow the damn line with the dictator

Hart is a cut above all of these jokers, imagine Tallest has a full contingent and Hart had a depleted one and still did better
you will make me use profanity towards you which is something I don't like to do particularly online but I'm really close to letting you have it for the rubbish arguments your deranged ass bring up every time you make a comment. dumb ass hart was a flop compared to Lawrence. he had the team since 2013 and got beaten quite often. on his last tour he couldn't even beat china.

in the Caribbean cup he got beaten by martinique with his best eleven and loss his fist two games of the hex to teams Lawrence's squad played much better against. to date lawrence's squad performed much better than hart's team and were very unlucky because of some questionable officiating. it's like you all expect lawrence to be a miracle worker excepting a job in the middle of the the hex and turning out positive results with very little time to know the players.

I get the feeling that you seriously wants any coach who succeeded hart to fail so you could say see I told you so. get over yourself man hart is history so go watch the US open and leave got all alone you looney bastard. i'm very sure even hart is probably cussing you out for invoking his name constantly. give the mans name a rest you coocoo bird.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: maxg on September 04, 2017, 07:23:02 AM
both ah allyuh talkin tata  ::)
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on September 04, 2017, 07:38:56 AM
Its kind of silly comparing the Mexican league to the Trinidadian league the Mexican league is the best in the CONCACAF so they can change a player anytime and he could do a professional job the league in TT is just a bunch amateur coach's and players pretending to be professional you don't take somebody from the pro league and give him his debut in a WC you looking for trouble and if Mexico keep Juan Carlos Osorio for the WC they will be trashed in the WC.

Yuh could rotate pedigreed, but yuh cyah rotate pothounds. That's wha yuh saying.

We at least expect ah pothound to bark lil bit. To be useful in some kinda way. If he not doing that ... keep him and feed him?
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Trini _2022 on September 04, 2017, 09:54:19 AM

 it's like you all expect lawrence to be a miracle worker excepting a job in the middle of the the hex and turning out positive results with very little time to know the players.


then he should not have taken the job .. leo took over the job and got us to the world cup  via play off .
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: maxg on September 04, 2017, 10:17:06 AM
Its kind of silly comparing the Mexican league to the Trinidadian league the Mexican league is the best in the CONCACAF so they can change a player anytime and he could do a professional job the league in TT is just a bunch amateur coach's and players pretending to be professional you don't take somebody from the pro league and give him his debut in a WC you looking for trouble and if Mexico keep Juan Carlos Osorio for the WC they will be trashed in the WC.

Yuh could rotate pedigreed, but yuh cyah rotate pothounds. That's wha yuh saying.

We at least expect ah pothound to bark lil bit. To be useful in some kinda way. If he not doing that ... keep him and feed him?
:D
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: pull stones on September 04, 2017, 11:13:22 AM

 it's like you all expect lawrence to be a miracle worker excepting a job in the middle of the the hex and turning out positive results with very little time to know the players.


then he should not have taken the job .. leo took over the job and got us to the world cup  via play off .
leo had latapy yorke and stern john who by himself scored something like 8 goals in qualifying plus a little bit of luck. remember lawrence was never out classed by any of these teams and with a little bit of luck the results could have gone in his favor but unfortunately for him he was the victim of terrible refereeing being cheated on a few outings with at least five goal scoring opportunities that could have changed his fortunes, and to add injury to his misfortune two of his leading offensive threats (k jones and levi garcia) missed out on three games including this Panama game due to injuries.

when leo came in he met points on the board but himself could only garner 13 points and in a nail biting fourth place finish, it's not like he was blowing teams away with a string of one goal marginal victories. when dennis took this job we didn't have a single point and the team was already in disaray with the firing of the belgian coach. the players were at war with the federation over non payment and the firing of coach hart but it seems like you all suffer from short term memory.

you people say fire the coach and bring in whom may I ask? it's eye opening the way some of you behave like we have players with the pedigree of a miguel layun andreas guardado havier Hernandez and herrera while turning out a string of terrible results. its laborers like cyrus and aubrey David the man have to work with and on short notice. so please be patient and give the bloke at least a year and maybe if things remain the same, then we could talk about firing lawrence but for now our focus should be on concacaf tournaments and trying to build a team for qatar, and put blame were it belong on the federation heads, not on the coach nor the players.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on September 04, 2017, 11:30:05 AM
Its kind of silly comparing the Mexican league to the Trinidadian league the Mexican league is the best in the CONCACAF so they can change a player anytime and he could do a professional job the league in TT is just a bunch amateur coach's and players pretending to be professional you don't take somebody from the pro league and give him his debut in a WC you looking for trouble and if Mexico keep Juan Carlos Osorio for the WC they will be trashed in the WC.

Yuh could rotate pedigreed, but yuh cyah rotate pothounds. That's wha yuh saying.

We at least expect ah pothound to bark lil bit. To be useful in some kinda way. If he not doing that ... keep him and feed him?
you really serious ???
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on September 04, 2017, 11:33:22 AM

 it's like you all expect lawrence to be a miracle worker excepting a job in the middle of the the hex and turning out positive results with very little time to know the players.


then he should not have taken the job .. leo took over the job and got us to the world cup  via play off .
If Latapy never came out of retirement Leo would have just been another failure.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Tallman on September 04, 2017, 03:31:44 PM

 it's like you all expect lawrence to be a miracle worker excepting a job in the middle of the the hex and turning out positive results with very little time to know the players.


then he should not have taken the job .. leo took over the job and got us to the world cup  via play off .
If Latapy never came out of retirement Leo would have just been another failure.

Qualification was not down to Latapy. There were many key moments by many different players.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Tallman on September 04, 2017, 03:40:34 PM
when leo came in he met points on the board but himself could only garner 13 points and in a nail biting fourth place finish, it's not like he was blowing teams away with a string of one goal marginal victories. when dennis took this job we didn't have a single point and the team was already in disaray with the firing of the belgian coach. the players were at war with the federation over non payment and the firing of coach hart but it seems like you all suffer from short term memory.

When Leo took over we already played three games in the Hex and had one point to show for it. After seven games, we currently have three points, whereas in 2005 we had seven points.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on September 04, 2017, 06:34:04 PM

 it's like you all expect lawrence to be a miracle worker excepting a job in the middle of the the hex and turning out positive results with very little time to know the players.


then he should not have taken the job .. leo took over the job and got us to the world cup  via play off .
If Latapy never came out of retirement Leo would have just been another failure.

Qualification was not down to Latapy. There were many key moments by many different players.
Those key moments only came when Latapy joined the team.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: lefty on September 04, 2017, 07:04:51 PM

 it's like you all expect lawrence to be a miracle worker excepting a job in the middle of the the hex and turning out positive results with very little time to know the players.


then he should not have taken the job .. leo took over the job and got us to the world cup  via play off .
If Latapy never came out of retirement Leo would have just been another failure.

Qualification was not down to Latapy. There were many key moments by many different players.
Those key moments only came when Latapy joined the team.

nah tallman boy beenie intro was key,but I still remember that team lacking something, result were improving yes, due to defensive organization from beenie's input but we were still lackluster going forward in many instances......I don't know, latapy just seemed to somehow make the players around him better....take d paraguay game we barely string two passes together, then for 20mins man touch jus magically improve even if we did weaken defensively.....Quatemala was ah critical turning point and we would not have had the penetration to recover without him
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Controversial on September 05, 2017, 01:42:25 AM
both ah allyuh talkin tata  ::)

Enlighten me, lemme hear your excuses for Tallest failure, would love to hear the myopic viewpoint once again
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Controversial on September 05, 2017, 01:44:13 AM
Shouldn't have been hired in the first place

You had men like pacho and them apply and you gave it to Tallest?

Tallest can't coach, he's green, said this from the beginning but no one listens, he tow the damn line with the dictator

Hart is a cut above all of these jokers, imagine Tallest has a full contingent and Hart had a depleted one and still did better
you will make me use profanity towards you which is something I don't like to do particularly online but I'm really close to letting you have it for the rubbish arguments your deranged ass bring up every time you make a comment. dumb ass hart was a flop compared to Lawrence. he had the team since 2013 and got beaten quite often. on his last tour he couldn't even beat china.

in the Caribbean cup he got beaten by martinique with his best eleven and loss his fist two games of the hex to teams Lawrence's squad played much better against. to date lawrence's squad performed much better than hart's team and were very unlucky because of some questionable officiating. it's like you all expect lawrence to be a miracle worker excepting a job in the middle of the the hex and turning out positive results with very little time to know the players.

I get the feeling that you seriously wants any coach who succeeded hart to fail so you could say see I told you so. get over yourself man hart is history so go watch the US open and leave got all alone you looney bastard. i'm very sure even hart is probably cussing you out for invoking his name constantly. give the mans name a rest you coocoo bird.

What were harts results before and after the dictator?

Let's test your intelligence here for a minute
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: sjahrain on September 05, 2017, 06:42:35 AM
Enough enough enough
If every time you take the ferry to Tobago and as soon as the waters get choppy at the Bocas you turn back to P O S....when will you get to Tobago...??????
This starting over every time is a road not to progress...but as can be seen...man we have regressed
We all have a part to play...good bad and indifferent
A total commitment is required by all...
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: pull stones on September 05, 2017, 12:33:55 PM
Shouldn't have been hired in the first place

You had men like pacho and them apply and you gave it to Tallest?

Tallest can't coach, he's green, said this from the beginning but no one listens, he tow the damn line with the dictator

Hart is a cut above all of these jokers, imagine Tallest has a full contingent and Hart had a depleted one and still did better
you will make me use profanity towards you which is something I don't like to do particularly online but I'm really close to letting you have it for the rubbish arguments your deranged ass bring up every time you make a comment. dumb ass hart was a flop compared to Lawrence. he had the team since 2013 and got beaten quite often. on his last tour he couldn't even beat china.

in the Caribbean cup he got beaten by martinique with his best eleven and loss his fist two games of the hex to teams Lawrence's squad played much better against. to date lawrence's squad performed much better than hart's team and were very unlucky because of some questionable officiating. it's like you all expect lawrence to be a miracle worker excepting a job in the middle of the the hex and turning out positive results with very little time to know the players.

I get the feeling that you seriously wants any coach who succeeded hart to fail so you could say see I told you so. get over yourself man hart is history so go watch the US open and leave got all alone you looney bastard. i'm very sure even hart is probably cussing you out for invoking his name constantly. give the mans name a rest you coocoo bird.

What were harts results before and after the dictator?

Let's test your intelligence here for a minute
dude for the record I liked Steve hart I also liked tim kee and from what I remember you and a next member (dreamer) would be riding timkee very hard criticizing his every move to the point where it was almost border line ungrateful if you were to take into consideration what we had before during the Warner and camps years. timkee came in after a disastrous 2014 World Cup exit with defeats to guyana and three consecutive Caribbean cup absence and hit the ground running to bring the team back from life support making its first gold cup under the leadership of Charles King and shabbaz.

later that he year he went and acquired Steve hart and made him head coach. hart had very little to do in terms of team selection because he had the help of King and charles who already knew the players and their capabilities. hart actually inherited a gold cup and only got us to one gold cup appearance failing to qualify us for the next 2017.

as for his record under timkee dude it wasn't anything spectacular he went to two gold cup quarter finals and on the Mexico game where he should have rested his first team after already qualifying for the quarter finals played his first team vs Mexico bringing an exhausted team to the Panama game which was a very bad call, worst than Lawrence not calling up garcia and ranjitsingh and playing Villarroel over mikiel williams and leaving Nathan Lewis on the bench choosing Cato instead.

taking nothing away from hart he is a very good coach and I'm not here to pit lawrence against hart (that's your department) they both are capable of getting the job done but sadly hart is no longer here and unlike you I can't continue to live in the shadows of a Steven hart tenure, it's over mate pick yourself up and eff off with the hart sentiment we have a new coach and he comes qualified. he may not have coached on this level before but he has to start some where. jochim lowe was an assistant coach under klinnsman when he got the german team and he florished nor do i have to remind you of his success story.

so take a deep breath rock back and enjoy the ride. there's no need to complain over every bump in the road because the "dictator" isn't going anywhere soon and so is lawrence so why turture yourself and us in the process.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: pull stones on September 05, 2017, 01:04:57 PM
Enough enough enough
If every time you take the ferry to Tobago and as soon as the waters get choppy at the Bocas you turn back to P O S....when will you get to Tobago...??????
This starting over every time is a road not to progress...but as can be seen...man we have regressed
We all have a part to play...good bad and indifferent
A total commitment is required by all...
i could not have said it any better myself. cheers.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on September 05, 2017, 10:53:19 PM
VERY responsible comments by Dennis during the post-match press conference. When asked about the composition of the teams he would field in October, Dennis noted that he would respect the integrity of the hex. Other teams still have much to play for, so Trinidad & Tobago would play its role in making teams fight for points.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Controversial on September 06, 2017, 01:02:38 AM
VERY responsible comments by Dennis during the post-match press conference. When asked about the composition of the teams he would field in October, Dennis noted that he would respect the integrity of the hex. Other teams still have much to play for, so Trinidad & Tobago would play its role in making teams fight for points.

Responsible? Playing second fiddle to other teams who are not as talented outside of Mexico is not responsible ...

You're sugar coating seeker
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on September 06, 2017, 07:55:59 AM
VERY responsible comments by Dennis during the post-match press conference. When asked about the composition of the teams he would field in October, Dennis noted that he would respect the integrity of the hex. Other teams still have much to play for, so Trinidad & Tobago would play its role in making teams fight for points.

Responsible? Playing second fiddle to other teams who are not as talented outside of Mexico is not responsible ...

You're sugar coating seeker

Your response is not aligned with my comment.

Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: maxg on September 06, 2017, 10:48:44 AM
VERY responsible comments by Dennis during the post-match press conference. When asked about the composition of the teams he would field in October, Dennis noted that he would respect the integrity of the hex. Other teams still have much to play for, so Trinidad & Tobago would play its role in making teams fight for points.

Responsible? Playing second fiddle to other teams who are not as talented outside of Mexico is not responsible ...

You're sugar coating seeker

Your response is not aligned with my comment.


Did we already rename the davejenny award ?
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: MEP on September 06, 2017, 11:39:34 AM
VERY responsible comments by Dennis during the post-match press conference. When asked about the composition of the teams he would field in October, Dennis noted that he would respect the integrity of the hex. Other teams still have much to play for, so Trinidad & Tobago would play its role in making teams fight for points.

Responsible? Playing second fiddle to other teams who are not as talented outside of Mexico is not responsible ...

You're sugar coating seeker
I'm sure he meant responsible as in professional which would be the responsible thing to do  ;D
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Dinner Mints on September 06, 2017, 11:55:57 AM
I stick on the 'not as talented' part.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: pull stones on September 06, 2017, 12:39:09 PM
I stick on the 'not as talented' part.
right. sure we have technically better players than Costa Rica and the United States who consistently make it to the world cup and the knock out stages of the World Cup. sure controversial sure you're right we are simply world beaters who are under performing due to our lack of proper coaching....... particularly hart.......oh had hart been here we would be sitting on 18 points and our bags packed for Russia already.......sure right.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: real madness on September 06, 2017, 02:55:59 PM
We got a lot of blind supporters.  I still don't understand where they see all this talent we got that better than the players from the Concacaf teams.  I am starting to believe our coaches think the same so there is no need to improve the situation.  End result is constant failure by our national teams at all levels.  But don't worry, we have more than talent than the US, Mexico, Costa Rica, etc.  We have so much talent we can't beat Caribbean teams.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: real madness on September 06, 2017, 05:54:55 PM
VERY responsible comments by Dennis during the post-match press conference. When asked about the composition of the teams he would field in October, Dennis noted that he would respect the integrity of the hex. Other teams still have much to play for, so Trinidad & Tobago would play its role in making teams fight for points.

I sort of agree with respecting the integrity of the Hex.  However, we need to start "building" for 2022.  Mexico already qualify plus we dropping 3 points there regardless of who we select so I say give the youths a chance there since it not affecting the table. Anyone who is a doubt for 2022 campaign should not be selected for this game.  Look at Venezuela, they selected a few stars from their U20 team that finished 2nd at the world cup.  They drew both games including one in Argentina.  The keeper from the U20 team was brilliant in both games.

As for the USA game we should field our "strongest" team since that game will impact the outcome of the Hex.  However, I doubt our "A" team can get a result but would love for us to poison the US world cup dream

But seriously can we make anyone fight for points with the toots we playing?  Lawrence is a yes man for DJW.  I still think he can be successful as a coach but he needs to get his balls from DJW handbag before any positive stuff can happen.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Controversial on September 07, 2017, 11:16:55 AM
I think a lot of people on this board don't understand the psychology of sport and suffer from insecurities and an inferiority complex

They constantly feel other teams are far superior when that is far from the truth.

Our team was destined to qualify in the top 3 until the dictator took over the federation..

No matter how much you think it doesn't matter, that destroyed team chemistry and our chances, it wasn't the players being less talented, it was a significant disruption

Our players need a great coach, they had one and he got fired because of the dictator and his ulterior motives..

If you want to preach your narrow mindedness that's fine but don't deem what I'm saying as nonsense because of your own fallacies
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: palos on September 07, 2017, 11:45:51 AM
However, we need to start "building" for 2022. 

I honestly believe the following:

The TTFA, local coaches, and many fans truly believe our players have superior talent

The highest standard of local T&T football is the Pro League.  There is also the Super League and various Minor Leagues. 

The Pro League depends on Government subsidies to operate.

In order for the PFL to be fiscally viable, they have to be in the business of generating revenue to earn profits

The main source of revenue is player sales.  So the push is to sell as many players as possible.  If a player shows potential or promise, arrangements are made for a trial with a foreign club with a view to an ultimate sale.

Recently a number of T&T players have been sold to clubs in Central America & Mexico.  This is mostly a result of them being showcased with the National team.

The more players that play on the National team, the more "eyes" are on them and the better to showcase them.

So.....try and put as many local based players on the national team as possible.  Once on the national team, the higher the potential for an interested foreign club.  Hopefully a foreign club from one of the more reputable leagues.  A club from one of those reputable leagues will likely pay more for a player.

The way these players perform at their clubs will likely influence whether other T&T players get similar opportunities.

However, the results of the mens national team means that our FIFA ranking has been steadily dropping.

This affects which foreign leagues our players MAY be eligible to play in.....particularly the EPL

It means secondary & tertiary markets such as Costa Rica, Mexico, India, Thailand, Vietnam, Kazakhstan etc are primary markets for T&T players to be sold to

The thinking in the TTFA and those pro clubs is that this is a win win situation.   Players go abroad and get foreign experience playing in foreign leagues, and the clubs/agents get revenue in return.  It's also seen as better for the players as the standard of the Pro League struggles to meet international standard/

So in essence, the majority of the T&T National team is being developed by club teams in these locations. 

I'm afraid "Building for 2022" isn't some local development program aimed at producing better players from the youth system upward.  It's more of a player auction process. 

Little emphasis on proper development from U13 to senior level.  Raising the standard of the Pro League and coaching at all levels.  Increasing attendance at the Pro League.  Ensuring facilities are in proper working condition etc.

It's more of a hustle.


I hope I'm wrong.  But that's how it seems to me.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: maxg on September 08, 2017, 01:11:10 PM
hmmm..that last brand new game selection(like we never play any games before) and tactics (what tactics ?), have me starting to full out the Coaches Release form.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Tobago28 on September 08, 2017, 02:50:32 PM
I think a lot of people on this board don't understand the psychology of sport and suffer from insecurities and an inferiority complex

They constantly feel other teams are far superior when that is far from the truth.

Our team was destined to qualify in the top 3 until the dictator took over the federation..

No matter how much you think it doesn't matter, that destroyed team chemistry and our chances, it wasn't the players being less talented, it was a significant disruption

Our players need a great coach, they had one and he got fired because of the dictator and his ulterior motives..

If you want to preach your narrow mindedness that's fine but don't deem what I'm saying as nonsense because of your own fallacies

Regarding talent, I would not say we have better talent but outside of Mexico and Costa Rica our talent is on par with the other 3 teams in the HEX. We had a credible chance to qualify as 3rd place team with proper coaching and proper player selection but the TTFA showed their inferiority and inexperience when they panicked and fired Hart.

In truth we do not believe in our abilities, however I preface that by saying Pro League players are not the quality we need
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: FF on September 08, 2017, 03:08:39 PM
That wasn't panic. The man dem never wanted Hart and his team, Walkes and Waldrum etc.
He get rid of all he could immediately and bide he time to buss Hart throat at the earliest convenience.

DJW need to own every single performance at every age group and gender in TT football.
It rests at his door!!
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: 100% Barataria on September 08, 2017, 03:35:16 PM
That wasn't panic. The man dem never wanted Hart and his team, Walkes and Waldrum etc.
He get rid of all he could immediately and bide he time to buss Hart throat at the earliest convenience.

DJW need to own every single performance at every age group and gender in TT football.
It rests at his door!!

True.  He's our local Trump
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Controversial on September 10, 2017, 03:08:48 AM
I think a lot of people on this board don't understand the psychology of sport and suffer from insecurities and an inferiority complex

They constantly feel other teams are far superior when that is far from the truth.

Our team was destined to qualify in the top 3 until the dictator took over the federation..

No matter how much you think it doesn't matter, that destroyed team chemistry and our chances, it wasn't the players being less talented, it was a significant disruption

Our players need a great coach, they had one and he got fired because of the dictator and his ulterior motives..

If you want to preach your narrow mindedness that's fine but don't deem what I'm saying as nonsense because of your own fallacies

Regarding talent, I would not say we have better talent but outside of Mexico and Costa Rica our talent is on par with the other 3 teams in the HEX. We had a credible chance to qualify as 3rd place team with proper coaching and proper player selection but the TTFA showed their inferiority and inexperience when they panicked and fired Hart.

In truth we do not believe in our abilities, however I preface that by saying Pro League players are not the quality we need

Pro league and super league players have the talent ...

The problem rests with the structure of the league, the lack of funding and poor salaries.. talented players need to survive and feed their families, if you're getting a piss poor salary why play football? Lack of high level Training and lack of games against intl opponents are root causes. The players have the talent, but they are not developing it, so players bloom later rather than earlier...

If you have a league president that doesn't know how to run the league, and teams that are not developing players at the standard of epl because of lack of money and proper coaching, how can you realistically nurture those players? And turn them into top talent without that solid structure and funding? Jones, levi, Cummings, kenwyne, Sheldon and many of them are on par with the best on the uS team and Costa Rica, just because some are not playing in la liga or epl doesn't mean they are not as talented ... I don't but into that...

We have immense talent on the team, Hart got them to buy into his system, and they were getting better, so good that the dictator rode in to dismantle it..
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Deeks on September 10, 2017, 06:55:17 AM
Contro, I agree with your statement above. As a matter of, I believe most of the forum would agree with your explanation. But for some reason you and the rest of of the forum butt heads when we (all of us on the forum) are saying the same damn thing.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on September 10, 2017, 07:49:23 AM
 :whistling: :whistling:
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Dutty Love on September 10, 2017, 08:20:57 AM
However, we need to start "building" for 2022. 

I honestly believe the following:

The TTFA, local coaches, and many fans truly believe our players have superior talent

The highest standard of local T&T football is the Pro League.  There is also the Super League and various Minor Leagues. 

The Pro League depends on Government subsidies to operate.

In order for the PFL to be fiscally viable, they have to be in the business of generating revenue to earn profits

The main source of revenue is player sales.  So the push is to sell as many players as possible.  If a player shows potential or promise, arrangements are made for a trial with a foreign club with a view to an ultimate sale.

Recently a number of T&T players have been sold to clubs in Central America & Mexico.  This is mostly a result of them being showcased with the National team.

The more players that play on the National team, the more "eyes" are on them and the better to showcase them.

So.....try and put as many local based players on the national team as possible.  Once on the national team, the higher the potential for an interested foreign club.  Hopefully a foreign club from one of the more reputable leagues.  A club from one of those reputable leagues will likely pay more for a player.

The way these players perform at their clubs will likely influence whether other T&T players get similar opportunities.

However, the results of the mens national team means that our FIFA ranking has been steadily dropping.

This affects which foreign leagues our players MAY be eligible to play in.....particularly the EPL

It means secondary & tertiary markets such as Costa Rica, Mexico, India, Thailand, Vietnam, Kazakhstan etc are primary markets for T&T players to be sold to

The thinking in the TTFA and those pro clubs is that this is a win win situation.   Players go abroad and get foreign experience playing in foreign leagues, and the clubs/agents get revenue in return.  It's also seen as better for the players as the standard of the Pro League struggles to meet international standard/

So in essence, the majority of the T&T National team is being developed by club teams in these locations. 

I'm afraid "Building for 2022" isn't some local development program aimed at producing better players from the youth system upward.  It's more of a player auction process. 

Little emphasis on proper development from U13 to senior level.  Raising the standard of the Pro League and coaching at all levels.  Increasing attendance at the Pro League.  Ensuring facilities are in proper working condition etc.

It's more of a hustle.


I hope I'm wrong.  But that's how it seems to me.

Mexico is not a market to be mixed in with those. It's a top 10 market worlwide, number one in America.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: palos on September 10, 2017, 10:22:40 AM

Mexico is not a market to be mixed in with those. It's a top 10 market worlwide, number one in America.
True.  But not if players get signed to Mexican 2nd Division teams
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Dutty Love on September 10, 2017, 11:23:23 AM

Mexico is not a market to be mixed in with those. It's a top 10 market worlwide, number one in America.
True.  But not if players get signed to Mexican 2nd Division teams

It's on par with MLS
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on September 10, 2017, 11:29:17 AM

Mexico is not a market to be mixed in with those. It's a top 10 market worlwide, number one in America.
True.  But not if players get signed to Mexican 2nd Division teams

Not even teams. Thus far, it has only been one team. That stated, we should present a fair picture of the Ascenso.

Some players themselves have said that the league is stronger than some South American first tier leagues.

In 2015 (apertura) they were 80 foreigners in the league (the figure includes 17 who had acquired Mexican citizenship. In the 2017 clausura the foreign presence was 94 players.

During 2016-17, 47 players in Liga MX were called up by various countries for national team duty (bear in mind that the Mexican national team has several foreign-based players). In the Ascenso MX all/most of the players called up for national team duty* were already national team players prior to arrival in Mexico.

EDIT: For 2016-17 in the Ascenso, that figure is ~10*.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Deeks on September 10, 2017, 11:34:16 PM
Some players themselves have said that the league is stronger than some South American first tier leagues.


I have heard that also. Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Colombia may have better better players. But  I have also read where some analysts go so far as to rate the Liga MX as the best organized football league in Latin America. And I believe it
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Preacher on September 11, 2017, 12:17:40 AM
Look we just need to form a West Indies Team and go win the World Cup.  Cause if we were to put our best foot forward on a team like that we could win it. 
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Deeks on September 11, 2017, 03:03:39 AM
Look we just need to form a West Indies Team and go win the World Cup.  Cause if we were to put our best foot forward on a team like that we could win it. 

That could have happened in the late 50s and possibly early 60s. Eh go happen now!
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: sjahrain on September 11, 2017, 03:05:29 AM
When your head is bigger than your body,you will continue to fall like Humpty Dumpty
You may think you are all of that,but the truth usually comes out when the onfield product comes up short,time and time again...talent what a joke
This is very evident in all facets of our lives...just be truthful
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Deeks on September 11, 2017, 03:23:27 AM
When your head is bigger than your body,you will continue to fall like Humpty Dumpty
You may think you are all of that,but the truth usually comes out when the onfield product comes up short,time and time again...talent what a joke
This is very evident in all facets of our lives...just be truthful

After we loss the game to Haiti in Panama for the right to go to the COPA, the bubble for this team buss. Then we could not even qualify for the last GC. That make things even worse. So despite gross TTFA mishaps(not given Hart the resources etc), this group of present players did not even have the collective talent to win the sub-regional tournament. We have seen past teams do well in spite of the bumbling TTFA. The very talented in this team are too few, and they cannot carry the team.  How can they win the GC or qualify for WC? 
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Dutty Love on September 11, 2017, 12:46:01 PM
Some players themselves have said that the league is stronger than some South American first tier leagues.


I have heard that also. Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Colombia may have better better players. But  I have also read where some analysts go so far as to rate the Liga MX as the best organized football league in Latin America. And I believe it

Chile and Colombia first divisions are definitely below Liga MX. I think he was saying Ascenso MX may be better than Uruguay, Bolivia, Peru, Venezuela and maybe Ecuador first divisions.

Liga MX is indeed the best league top to bottom in America and the richest. I would say Brazilian Serie A is on par. Argentina top half of the table is as well.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Dutty Love on September 11, 2017, 12:50:11 PM

Mexico is not a market to be mixed in with those. It's a top 10 market worlwide, number one in America.
True.  But not if players get signed to Mexican 2nd Division teams

Not even teams. Thus far, it has only been one team. That stated, we should present a fair picture of the Ascenso.

Some players themselves have said that the league is stronger than some South American first tier leagues.

In 2015 (apertura) they were 80 foreigners in the league (the figure includes 17 who had acquired Mexican citizenship. In the 2017 clausura the foreign presence was 94 players.

During 2016-17, 47 players in Liga MX were called up by various countries for national team duty (bear in mind that the Mexican national team has several foreign-based players). In the Ascenso MX all/most of the players called up for national team duty* were already national team players prior to arrival in Mexico.

EDIT: For 2016-17 in the Ascenso, that figure is ~10*.


The two players in Murcielagos this season are hardly playing btw
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: sjahrain on September 11, 2017, 12:53:27 PM
Mr In the fullnest of time..bad mind small mind and retarded mind
Now that our hopes for 2018 has been unrealized.What are your plans for getting us back to being respectable,not to long ago I am sure many here can remember when we were ranked 19th in the world,how we have fallen
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: sjahrain on September 11, 2017, 01:06:47 PM
Trust me pretty soon all of those players will be heading back to Tand T
Why you ask ... because the N T is not representing,all the good which came from the decent showing at the G C,which open the doors for the many who have signed is now slowly fading away,just take a close look at the many who have not suited up recently
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on September 11, 2017, 01:19:09 PM
Some players themselves have said that the league is stronger than some South American first tier leagues.


I have heard that also. Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Colombia may have better better players. But  I have also read where some analysts go so far as to rate the Liga MX as the best organized football league in Latin America. And I believe it

Chile and Colombia first divisions are definitely below Liga MX. I think he was saying Ascenso MX may be better than Uruguay, Bolivia, Peru, Venezuela and maybe Ecuador first divisions.

Liga MX is indeed the best league top to bottom in America and the richest. I would say Brazilian Serie A is on par. Argentina top half of the table is as well.

In fact one of the Liga MX clubs owns a Chilean top flight club and sends players who can't get playing continuity in Liga MX to Chile.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Dutty Love on September 11, 2017, 05:11:44 PM
Trust me pretty soon all of those players will be heading back to Tand T
Why you ask ... because the N T is not representing,all the good which came from the decent showing at the G C,which open the doors for the many who have signed is now slowly fading away,just take a close look at the many who have not suited up recently

Boatswain didnt suit in the 18 again this past sunday and I don't see that changing. He is lucky to be in Costa Rica where they have some decency with contracts so they will wait December to release him. If he was in another of the Central America countries they would have already cut him like happened to Plaza in El Salvador and Britto in Guatemala, and both actually were playing more minutes.

Another one who is hardly playing is Darren Mitchell in Guatemala.

Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: pull stones on September 11, 2017, 05:12:53 PM
When your head is bigger than your body,you will continue to fall like Humpty Dumpty
You may think you are all of that,but the truth usually comes out when the onfield product comes up short,time and time again...talent what a joke
This is very evident in all facets of our lives...just be truthful

After we loss the game to Haiti in Panama for the right to go to the COPA, the bubble for this team buss. Then we could not even qualify for the last GC. That make things even worse. So despite gross TTFA mishaps(not given Hart the resources etc), this group of present players did not even have the collective talent to win the sub-regional tournament. We have seen past teams do well in spite of the bumbling TTFA. The very talented in this team are too few, and they cannot carry the team.  How can they win the GC or qualify for WC?
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: pull stones on September 11, 2017, 05:26:45 PM
When your head is bigger than your body,you will continue to fall like Humpty Dumpty
You may think you are all of that,but the truth usually comes out when the onfield product comes up short,time and time again...talent what a joke
This is very evident in all facets of our lives...just be truthful

After we loss the game to Haiti in Panama for the right to go to the COPA, the bubble for this team buss. Then we could not even qualify for the last GC. That make things even worse. So despite gross TTFA mishaps(not given Hart the resources etc), this group of present players did not even have the collective talent to win the sub-regional tournament. We have seen past teams do well in spite of the bumbling TTFA. The very talented in this team are too few, and they cannot carry the team.  How can they win the GC or qualify for WC?
deeks why is it that the very first thing on Lawrence agenda after bowing out if the World Cup was to acquire a solid striker? I believe Dennis saw the very same thing that I have been observing since 2016 when the team adopted a losing streak, we played a few critical games without a bonified striker ( kenwin jones) away to haiti in panama where kenwin missed that game he also missed the martinique game and the gold cup play off round with surename and haiti to clinch the fifth play off spot where we lost the both games at home.

I don't have to tell you what happened in the World Cup qualifiers where we had no fire power vs Costa Rica honduras and panama where a kenwin jones was severely needed. don't misunderstand me Kevin molino and Jovin jones are very good footballers who could put goals in the back of the net, but in qualifying you need a striker who could rally upward of at least six goals if you are to qualify.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Deeks on September 11, 2017, 06:27:29 PM
Pull stones I hear you. What you said is correct. But it really show how depleted the talent is. I know KJ's worth to the team. But jeez, one game we can't win without KJ. The results of that Haiti game blight we after that. We could not get not one thing right.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: congo on September 11, 2017, 08:11:10 PM
Contro, you are crazy if you think that the Pro League, Super League players etc have any special talent that could make them world beaters.
 
Listen bro, this thing is about development. Development is a science. You need to accept the scientific approach in ensuring results. It hasn't been about "talent" for a long while. It's all about development. No one coming out of Trinidad and unto the National team experienced any major development. They just "played football".

SSFL can't develop anyone either. Not now, not never.

Our entire model needs to change but that is for the long run. In the short run we need to get TTFA commercially viable. We do that by putting butts in the stands. We do this by having players that are marketable and are of quality (John Bostock, Ryan Innis etc). Let Europe develop them and we utilise them. It really is that simple. A foreign born team can challenge for the Gold Cup etc. We need to recruit these players early.

Our next mission is to improve the u21-23 team/teams....Our assistant national mens coach should be the head coach of those teams. Let the philosophy go down the line. That coach should also be younger/youthful so that he's learning from the national mens coach etc. The other 23 team should always make up the bulk of your next round of qualification teams. Remember that players such as Gabriel Jesus playing for Brazil etc since 18 etc so u23 is already too old. People play at the world cup at 17-18 etc....But we need to place emphasis on this team because outside of the world cup, the olympics is the next big event. Our football needs that competition as well. 

The world doesn't want what we have to offer. We have players in India for goodness sake. India...Let that sink in.

We still using the National Team to "showcase" players. That is not what the National Team is for. It's up to the National player to showcase himself. The national team is to have players who possess the final product. Some of our players appear to be overweight whilst on national duty. Some are out of breath by the 70th minute. This is unacceptable.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Preacher on September 11, 2017, 11:23:48 PM
Look we just need to form a West Indies Team and go win the World Cup.  Cause if we were to put our best foot forward on a team like that we could win it. 

That could have happened in the late 50s and possibly early 60s. Eh go happen now!

 :beermug:   Why?  FIFA would love the idea. 
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Dutty Love on September 12, 2017, 06:29:44 AM
Contro, you are crazy if you think that the Pro League, Super League players etc have any special talent that could make them world beaters.
 
Listen bro, this thing is about development. Development is a science. You need to accept the scientific approach in ensuring results. It hasn't been about "talent" for a long while. It's all about development. No one coming out of Trinidad and unto the National team experienced any major development. They just "played football".

SSFL can't develop anyone either. Not now, not never.

Our entire model needs to change but that is for the long run. In the short run we need to get TTFA commercially viable. We do that by putting butts in the stands. We do this by having players that are marketable and are of quality (John Bostock, Ryan Innis etc). Let Europe develop them and we utilise them. It really is that simple. A foreign born team can challenge for the Gold Cup etc. We need to recruit these players early.

Our next mission is to improve the u21-23 team/teams....Our assistant national mens coach should be the head coach of those teams. Let the philosophy go down the line. That coach should also be younger/youthful so that he's learning from the national mens coach etc. The other 23 team should always make up the bulk of your next round of qualification teams. Remember that players such as Gabriel Jesus playing for Brazil etc since 18 etc so u23 is already too old. People play at the world cup at 17-18 etc....But we need to place emphasis on this team because outside of the world cup, the olympics is the next big event. Our football needs that competition as well. 

The world doesn't want what we have to offer. We have players in India for goodness sake. India...Let that sink in.

We still using the National Team to "showcase" players. That is not what the National Team is for. It's up to the National player to showcase himself. The national team is to have players who possess the final product. Some of our players appear to be overweight whilst on national duty. Some are out of breath by the 70th minute. This is unacceptable.

This post is spot on
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Dutty Love on September 13, 2017, 12:16:23 PM
Zacatepec from Ascenso MX beat Tigres 3-1 in an away match in Copa MX last night, something no MLS team has been able to accomplish

https://www.facebook.com/TelevisaDeportes/videos/10155801440992340/
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: palos on September 13, 2017, 01:14:34 PM
Look we just need to form a West Indies Team and go win the World Cup.  Cause if we were to put our best foot forward on a team like that we could win it. 

That could have happened in the late 50s and possibly early 60s. Eh go happen now!

 :beermug:   Why?  FIFA would love the idea. 

POLITICALLY, there's more power in each territory having a vote than as a single entity.

If 25 nations decide to become one....that's 25 votes versus 1 vote.

How yuh think CONCACAF came to be dominated by Jack and Blazer?  Prior to them, Mexico and Central America held full away in CONCACAF

USA was a minnow and not respected at all in football.....least of all by Mexicans and the Central Americans.   Truth be told...not by the likes of us either.

The caribbean nations were also held in contempt by the same countries.

Jack had the numbers (CFU).....Blazer had the potential infrstructure, financial wherewithal etc.

They struck a deal.  CFU and USA became the power brokers.  Mexico and Central America had to take a back seat.

A west indies football team not making any sense.  It MAY ONLY HAPPEN in an Olympics or some special event like that.  Similar to Great Britain in the Olympics.

But outside of that.....I can't see it,  It would be political suicide.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Controversial on September 13, 2017, 02:06:07 PM
Contro, you are crazy if you think that the Pro League, Super League players etc have any special talent that could make them world beaters.
 
Listen bro, this thing is about development. Development is a science. You need to accept the scientific approach in ensuring results. It hasn't been about "talent" for a long while. It's all about development. No one coming out of Trinidad and unto the National team experienced any major development. They just "played football".

SSFL can't develop anyone either. Not now, not never.

Our entire model needs to change but that is for the long run. In the short run we need to get TTFA commercially viable. We do that by putting butts in the stands. We do this by having players that are marketable and are of quality (John Bostock, Ryan Innis etc). Let Europe develop them and we utilise them. It really is that simple. A foreign born team can challenge for the Gold Cup etc. We need to recruit these players early.

Our next mission is to improve the u21-23 team/teams....Our assistant national mens coach should be the head coach of those teams. Let the philosophy go down the line. That coach should also be younger/youthful so that he's learning from the national mens coach etc. The other 23 team should always make up the bulk of your next round of qualification teams. Remember that players such as Gabriel Jesus playing for Brazil etc since 18 etc so u23 is already too old. People play at the world cup at 17-18 etc....But we need to place emphasis on this team because outside of the world cup, the olympics is the next big event. Our football needs that competition as well. 

The world doesn't want what we have to offer. We have players in India for goodness sake. India...Let that sink in.

We still using the National Team to "showcase" players. That is not what the National Team is for. It's up to the National player to showcase himself. The national team is to have players who possess the final product. Some of our players appear to be overweight whilst on national duty. Some are out of breath by the 70th minute. This is unacceptable.

This post is spot on

Tell me something new, I pitched a new structure since 1999 when the old board started... youth teams need funding, they need coaches who actually know what they are doing.. the Belgium model could work in TT

There is immense talent in TT and it needs to be harnessed, if you don't believe in that, that's fine but we agree to disagree. If those same pro league and super league players had something to play for and a salary that would sustain them and their families. With coaches and intl experience and better training, we would walk over teams in the region...

You would see the dramatic difference in game play...

Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: congo on September 13, 2017, 10:13:28 PM
Funding will always be difficult because we simply lack the funds, will and commercial innovatory to make things happen. Our priorities and interests are different and even our consumption habits are weird in this country. People would happily pay 8000 tt for a new phone but never have money on their phone etc. Add to that the difficult economic times and you realise that funding football is simply not a priority for the state at this point of time or even in the future.

What we need to focus on in the short term is getting as much of our youth exposed to overseas academies and possibly retained by those academies. So we should focus on "developing" our youth to successfully make the transition necessary to gain entry to overseas academies. That may mean changing how we teach our youth. Scouts look for certain traits that identify a footballer's intelligence such as positioning and off the ball play etc. They are never looking for the finished product under the age of 16.

You still not getting it. A simple comparison is the MLS....Those guys getting good money...Some even on multi million dollar contracts etc but they are still not world beaters. It's not just about paying players better etc..If that was the case then the middle eastern owners would have just developed clubs in their own countries rather than purchase PSG and Man City etc. Competition occurs on a global scale. You need to test yourself against the best in the world.

Talent alone is nothing. Europe has a lot. I have watched a lot of football at all levels. I've visited different academies including Man City, Arsenal etc and I could tell you first hand that there is "talent" in those places. The reality is out of a class of 20, only 2 may be offered terms. The other 18 can easily end up in semi-pros and "sunday league" football within 2 years. That is the reality. Football is no jokey business.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: sjahrain on September 14, 2017, 08:26:30 AM
Money is not the issue,it's hunger the passion that's missing
Them belly full but we the fans and supporters hungry,even the dam Waggonist hungry
How much money has has been thrown on  this and what do we have to show for it, one world cup appearance and a couple to the under' s
Dam administration wasteful and to be honest the players are not hungry enough
Man act and sound like money cure all the issues,how much has it solved to this day when you take into account how much has been given
We live in a time and as a society where everyone thinks he or she is entitled to more than we have earned and it's about time we try doing more with less
I have always prayed for the day to come when less revenue was available just to see how we would react and behave,that time is now,it's time to buckle up and adjust our collective belts ,for the days of plenty is no more...just reality
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Trini _2022 on November 14, 2017, 06:46:38 PM
well yes
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on November 14, 2017, 08:04:32 PM
With out them English coach's helping him D Lawrence is just as bad as S Hart I hope DJW did not sign a long term contract with him.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: gawd on pitch on November 14, 2017, 08:19:02 PM
His coaching reputation is slowly erasing the magic he produced in 2005. He is not to blame.. Thanks DJW.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: madness on November 14, 2017, 11:37:05 PM
the quality of the players is not good enough. We can hire Pep or Jose to coach Trinidad national team, the team will still fail. :banginghead: :banginghead: :banginghead: :pissedoff:
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on November 15, 2017, 02:33:30 AM
VERY responsible comments by Dennis during the post-match press conference. When asked about the composition of the teams he would field in October, Dennis noted that he would respect the integrity of the hex. Other teams still have much to play for, so Trinidad & Tobago would play its role in making teams fight for points.

And in the USA's departure, it came down to this.

While I have placed the defeat of the US in the restricted context it merits, it literally is one of those stories that caught people's attention around the world.

However, in the exchanges I've had, non-Trinis tend to think that victory over the US was also accomplished by generally positive performances (results) by the NT during WC qualifying (because they typically pay scant attention to CONCACAF qualifying) and that our football is in a better state than the facts bear out.

DL has been involved in at least two legacy events in T&T football history (Bahrain and this US loss) that place him in a narrow zone/special place. If he were to stick around and win the Caribbean Cup, he would also contribute to repairing/restoring an area of performance. Sticking around is one thing, winning the Cup is another.

Is winning CFU within his reach? I would say "yes". Could it be done convincingly?  Can't say "yes".

The "quality target" for a T&T NT coach (and in the selection of a NT coach) should now be at least getting to the semifinal round of the GC.


Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on October 14, 2018, 11:03:12 AM

So how has this team improved since DL taking over at the coaching helm?

Any takers?
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Deeks on October 14, 2018, 05:49:41 PM

So how has this team improved since DL taking over at the coaching helm?

Any takers?

As much as coaches are to held accountable for teams results, I will give DL a pass for now. Only because of what he has to work with. But most important is the mass confusion in this TTFa organization.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on October 14, 2018, 06:49:56 PM

So how has this team improved since DL taking over at the coaching helm?

Any takers?

As much as coaches are to held accountable for teams results, I will give DL a pass for now. Only because of what he has to work with. But most important is the mass confusion in this TTFa organization.

and when does your pass end? a week before World Cup qualification, or when the poor results continue during qualification?
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: spideybuff on October 16, 2018, 05:21:43 AM
Lawrence need to call Martinez and ask for a spot back now that Henry gone to Monaco...for his own sake. He is worth more to us out there than as national coach. Let him get back in the mix, get some experience, earn a reputation (even if it is just as an assistant coach) and come back when he is about 60 to deal with T&T.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: soccerman on October 16, 2018, 05:07:29 PM

So how has this team improved since DL taking over at the coaching helm?

Any takers?
I would NO, we haven't improved. Under Hart you could've seen we were developing an identity despite our shortcomings and we more appealing for the fans to watch. Now I think we're okay and haven't made any progress, in fact I'd say we regressed. Yea we had a big win over USA but we haven't took the next step to build on that.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: pull stones on October 16, 2018, 05:48:42 PM
here you guys go with the comparisons again. had he won this absurd thread would not submerge. how impatient could you be.

it's rather silly to compare the two when steven hart didn't win any of his last three world cup games while dennis actually won two and were very competitive in all but one of his games and suffered a barrage of very bad call by the officiating team which could have seen the pendulum easily swung in our favor.

i think we should reserve our comment until after thew gold cup, that would have given dennis enough time to stamp his authority on the team or show is incapability, but for now lets be patient and allow the team to build. boy you trinis have some very destructive tendencies when things are not going 100% your way.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Tallman on October 16, 2018, 05:51:59 PM

So how has this team improved since DL taking over at the coaching helm?

Any takers?

We're not bad, but I have not seen any improvement in any area. I have not seen any meaningful unearthing of new faces. Our forwards are hardly scoring. It looks as though DL is trying to impose a style on the team, but I don't know exactly what it is.

Played: 19, Wins: 5, Losses: 10, Draws: 4
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: pull stones on October 17, 2018, 11:50:03 AM

So how has this team improved since DL taking over at the coaching helm?

Any takers?

We're not bad, but I have not seen any improvement in any area. I have not seen any meaningful unearthing of new faces. Our forwards are hardly scoring. It looks as though DL is trying to impose a style on the team, but I don't know exactly what it is.

Played: 19, Wins: 5, Losses: 10, Draws: 4
remember dennis was thrown into a  qualifying situation in the middle of a campaign....not only that but there were disgruntled players in the mix who didn't like the coaches disciplinary actions particularly against mikel williams and kevin molino who subsequently threatened never to play for TT again.

there were also some salary issues and federation fall out from the firing of mr hart and all this happened in the middle of a qualifying campaign.

i do agree dennis needs to help his situation by putting more wins on the board, but how could he accomplish that when players who can actual score or help score either turn up lame or unable to travel for the games (levi garcia, kevin ,molino, jovin jones, atulla guerra,neval hackshaw), when critical pieces of your puzzle is missing then it makes it even more difficult to get positive results.

another thing to consider is that how many of these games were played at home? the federation have no money and players have to play away games from now until whenever simply because we can't afford to host due to financial restrains.

do fans really expect us to travel all the way across the globe and compete well vs teams playing at home in their back yard? the only reason why we beat UAE is because they were also travelling away to play this friendly.

now we're off to play IRAN in IRAN next month, do we realistically expect a positive result playing against a team that recently returned from the WC and did relatively well against two great world beaters?

no most likely we will lose, and i think the point of this exercise should be to lose well because sometimes there's no dishonor in losing, but rather lose with purpose should be the goal, and if we get something from this game, then that's gravy, but there should be absolutely no expectations from the fans what so ever.

i am also willing to wager that we will also be without quite a few of our best players, including jovin jones and levi garcia come next month.

 these guys are not serious, and until these players get the gist that playing for your country is a huge honor in the footballing world, then we will always compete badly and losing will be part and parcel of the trinidad and tobago footballing experience.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on October 17, 2018, 02:30:40 PM
If I was DJW I would fire Dennis Lawrence by the end of the year it makes no sense going on with this guy at the helm.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: pull stones on October 17, 2018, 03:16:15 PM
If I was DJW I would fire Dennis Lawrence by the end of the year it makes no sense going on with this guy at the helm.
i am curious to know what lead you to make this statement and who would you suggest as a better replacement?
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: real madness on October 17, 2018, 04:05:57 PM
If I was DJW I would fire myself.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on October 17, 2018, 04:46:08 PM
If I was DJW I would fire Dennis Lawrence by the end of the year it makes no sense going on with this guy at the helm.
i am curious to know what lead you to make this statement and who would you suggest as a better replacement?
After watching this guy for a year and a half its clear that Dennis Lawrence does not know how to take this team forward its just a waste of time and I don't know how much TT can afford to pay a coach.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Deeks on October 17, 2018, 10:44:53 PM
If I was DJW I would fire Dennis Lawrence by the end of the year it makes no sense going on with this guy at the helm.
i am curious to know what lead you to make this statement and who would you suggest as a better replacement?
After watching this guy for a year and a half its clear that Dennis Lawrence does not know how to take this team forward its just a waste of time and I don't know how much TT can afford to pay a coach.

Put yourself as the TT coach in this present situation. Do you think you can do any better? Imaging you presenting short term and long term strategies for TT national team. Just think about that.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on October 18, 2018, 05:03:51 AM
Having provoked the discussion, I should comment.

I don't think Dennis Lawrence should be fired and even if I did,  the political reality within the federation seems to suggest that the only way he leaves the job is if he walks away from it. Fair enough, that's merited. Although,  if he had walked away after WC qualifying, many would have bawled "foul!"

He may leave the job without us ever getting to the product he wants to be delivered on the field (see Tallman's comments), being delivered. Nonetheless, it still has to be acknowledged that what we are witnessing under his tenure is on-the-job training and learning, despite his experiences abroad.

Nothing is wrong with learning on-the-job. Things would be worse if he wasn't. The critical issue, however, is what is the beneficial yield for national team quality players that would define DL's legacy. What would be the nugget we could look back to this period and view as defining as a takeaway? In his remaining time as boss,  I'm hoping to see that answer emerge. It has to if we're not merely "marking time".
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on October 19, 2018, 07:07:30 AM

DL came to T&T team probably about 5 years to early. He should have stayed in England and developed himself as a coach. His coaching resume is too young too short for this job
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: g on October 19, 2018, 09:02:17 AM
Having provoked the discussion, I should comment.

I don't think Dennis Lawrence should be fired and even if I did,  the political reality within the federation seems to suggest that the only way he leaves the job is if he walks away from it. Fair enough, that's merited. Although,  if he had walked away after WC qualifying, many would have bawled "foul!"

He may leave the job without us ever getting to the product he wants to be delivered on the field (see Tallman's comments), being delivered. Nonetheless, it still has to be acknowledged that what we are witnessing under his tenure is on-the-job training and learning, despite his experiences abroad.

Nothing is wrong with learning on-the-job. Things would be worse if he wasn't. The critical issue, however, is what is the beneficial yield for national team quality players that would define DL's legacy. What would be the nugget we could look back to this period and view as defining as a takeaway? In his remaining time as boss,  I'm hoping to see that answer emerge. It has to if we're not merely "marking time".

I generally concur, I think with Dennis also is that while he generally has a tactical plan for how he wants to play, we have core deficiencies. The personnel that we have available will struggle as we are not technically good separate and a part from 2 or 3 players our pool is really poor at the moment and from the moment we are missing a few first team players, we go from looking decent to really poor. No Guerra, Jones and Molino still injured and without those 3 playing together which will probably not happen till middle of next year we will not play our best football.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on November 16, 2018, 01:37:04 AM
D Lawrence does not know how to rebuild this team they better get rid of him now before its to late.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: injunchile on November 16, 2018, 06:01:18 AM
Oh Dear-What can the matter be?
 Looking for a white Foreigner/ We need a good striker and more pace in the counter especially from the midfield.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on November 16, 2018, 09:21:42 AM
Oh Dear-What can the matter be?
 Looking for a white Foreigner/ We need a good striker and more pace in the counter especially from the midfield.
I have been hearing that ole talk for years and it have not worked up to now that backward football would not work against the better teams in the region DL better give it up now.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: andre samuel on November 16, 2018, 11:36:11 AM
Quick Question:

Has any Trinidadian coached or been involved in coaching at a level similar or even close to what Dennis Lawrence was exposed to at Wigan, Everton and Belgium?
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: spideybuff on November 16, 2018, 11:52:10 AM
Quick Question:

Has any Trinidadian coached or been involved in coaching at a level similar or even close to what Dennis Lawrence was exposed to at Wigan, Everton and Belgium?
Quick Answer:

No
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: spideybuff on November 16, 2018, 11:53:53 AM

DL came to T&T team probably about 5 years to early. He should have stayed in England and developed himself as a coach. His coaching resume is too young too short for this job
Agreed. He would have been better served, personally and to us, if he had stayed with Belgium, gone to a world cup and got that experience.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: spideybuff on November 16, 2018, 12:04:06 PM

Put yourself as the TT coach in this present situation. Do you think you can do any better? Imaging you presenting short term and long term strategies for TT national team. Just think about that.

From the time the world cup qualifiers were done, I would have gone with a team to qualify for the Olympics 2020. Leave Levi Garcia and Joevin Jones to establish themselves professionally. Keep Bateau to help with the younger defenders coming through and maybe Hyland for his experience, and Molino when the next world cup campaign come around.

We really have nobody so great that younger players can't supplant them in preparation for the future.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on November 16, 2018, 01:18:28 PM

Put yourself as the TT coach in this present situation. Do you think you can do any better? Imaging you presenting short term and long term strategies for TT national team. Just think about that.

From the time the world cup qualifiers were done, I would have gone with a team to qualify for the Olympics 2020. Leave Levi Garcia and Joevin Jones to establish themselves professionally. Keep Bateau to help with the younger defenders coming through and maybe Hyland for his experience, and Molino when the next world cup campaign come around.

We really have nobody so great that younger players can't supplant them in preparation for the future.
I agree with you 100% but it seems as if DL has not gotten the message so it is better we get rid of this guy while we ahead of the game.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on November 16, 2018, 01:27:59 PM
Quick Question:

Has any Trinidadian coached or been involved in coaching at a level similar or even close to what Dennis Lawrence was exposed to at Wigan, Everton and Belgium?
Its 1 thing to be learning to coach in a environment like that and another thing to actually coach in a environment like that 2 different things.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Controversial on November 16, 2018, 04:20:51 PM
Having provoked the discussion, I should comment.

I don't think Dennis Lawrence should be fired and even if I did,  the political reality within the federation seems to suggest that the only way he leaves the job is if he walks away from it. Fair enough, that's merited. Although,  if he had walked away after WC qualifying, many would have bawled "foul!"

He may leave the job without us ever getting to the product he wants to be delivered on the field (see Tallman's comments), being delivered. Nonetheless, it still has to be acknowledged that what we are witnessing under his tenure is on-the-job training and learning, despite his experiences abroad.

Nothing is wrong with learning on-the-job. Things would be worse if he wasn't. The critical issue, however, is what is the beneficial yield for national team quality players that would define DL's legacy. What would be the nugget we could look back to this period and view as defining as a takeaway? In his remaining time as boss,  I'm hoping to see that answer emerge. It has to if we're not merely "marking time".

In short..

DL is learning at our expense..
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Controversial on November 16, 2018, 04:25:11 PM
Quick Question:

Has any Trinidadian coached or been involved in coaching at a level similar or even close to what Dennis Lawrence was exposed to at Wigan, Everton and Belgium?

Canadian national football is higher than Wigan and Everton.... beligium of course is higher than Canadian but Hart is far better
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Controversial on November 16, 2018, 04:30:51 PM
Money is not the issue,it's hunger the passion that's missing
Them belly full but we the fans and supporters hungry,even the dam Waggonist hungry
How much money has has been thrown on  this and what do we have to show for it, one world cup appearance and a couple to the under' s
Dam administration wasteful and to be honest the players are not hungry enough
Man act and sound like money cure all the issues,how much has it solved to this day when you take into account how much has been given
We live in a time and as a society where everyone thinks he or she is entitled to more than we have earned and it's about time we try doing more with less
I have always prayed for the day to come when less revenue was available just to see how we would react and behave,that time is now,it's time to buckle up and adjust our collective belts ,for the days of plenty is no more...just reality

Money is not the issue? how do you expect footballers to eat? LoL

Allyuh men good oui..

Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Deeks on November 16, 2018, 04:34:46 PM

Put yourself as the TT coach in this present situation. Do you think you can do any better? Imaging you presenting short term and long term strategies for TT national team. Just think about that.

From the time the world cup qualifiers were done, I would have gone with a team to qualify for the Olympics 2020. Leave Levi Garcia and Joevin Jones to establish themselves professionally. Keep Bateau to help with the younger defenders coming through and maybe Hyland for his experience, and Molino when the next world cup campaign come around.

We really have nobody so great that younger players can't supplant them in preparation for the future.
I agree with you 100% but it seems as if DL has not gotten the message so it is better we get rid of this guy while we ahead of the game.

I agree with that also. TTFA should have two senior teams. The U-23 being the B team. They should have the local U-23 play against Caribbean opposition or any  CA or SA team that will schedule a game with us. TTFA is unable to multitask. The leader has on blinders. The blinders is focusing on the construction of the hotel. DL could only go so far with DJW without him being fired.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Deeks on November 16, 2018, 04:36:46 PM
Quick Question:

Has any Trinidadian coached or been involved in coaching at a level similar or even close to what Dennis Lawrence was exposed to at Wigan, Everton and Belgium?

Canadian national football is higher than Wigan and Everton.... beligium of course is higher than Canadian but Hart is far better

Contro, I beg to differ on your assessment that Canadian team is better that Wigan or Everton.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Deeks on November 16, 2018, 04:39:20 PM
Money is not the issue,it's hunger the passion that's missing
Them belly full but we the fans and supporters hungry,even the dam Waggonist hungry
How much money has has been thrown on  this and what do we have to show for it, one world cup appearance and a couple to the under' s
Dam administration wasteful and to be honest the players are not hungry enough
Man act and sound like money cure all the issues,how much has it solved to this day when you take into account how much has been given
We live in a time and as a society where everyone thinks he or she is entitled to more than we have earned and it's about time we try doing more with less
I have always prayed for the day to come when less revenue was available just to see how we would react and behave,that time is now,it's time to buckle up and adjust our collective belts ,for the days of plenty is no more...just reality

Money is not the issue? how do you expect footballers to eat? LoL

Allyuh men good oui..



I agree with you that the lack money is the problem. If them men did not have the passion and desire, they would not be playing in the PFL for that kind of money.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Controversial on November 16, 2018, 04:40:32 PM
Quick Question:

Has any Trinidadian coached or been involved in coaching at a level similar or even close to what Dennis Lawrence was exposed to at Wigan, Everton and Belgium?

Canadian national football is higher than Wigan and Everton.... beligium of course is higher than Canadian but Hart is far better

Contro, I beg to differ on your assessment that Canadian team is better that Wigan or Everton.

Lawrence has not proven himself as a head coach, he’s an effective asst, Hart is above DL... DL right now doesn’t even have a brand or style of play

Tbh I don’t even see a great change, just sub par performances from an inexperienced coach who is taking orders from the dictator
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Controversial on November 16, 2018, 04:44:08 PM
Money is not the issue,it's hunger the passion that's missing
Them belly full but we the fans and supporters hungry,even the dam Waggonist hungry
How much money has has been thrown on  this and what do we have to show for it, one world cup appearance and a couple to the under' s
Dam administration wasteful and to be honest the players are not hungry enough
Man act and sound like money cure all the issues,how much has it solved to this day when you take into account how much has been given
We live in a time and as a society where everyone thinks he or she is entitled to more than we have earned and it's about time we try doing more with less
I have always prayed for the day to come when less revenue was available just to see how we would react and behave,that time is now,it's time to buckle up and adjust our collective belts ,for the days of plenty is no more...just reality

Money is not the issue? how do you expect footballers to eat? LoL

Allyuh men good oui..



I agree with you that the lack money is the problem. If them men did not have the passion and desire, they would not be playing in the PFL for that kind of money.

The US, Mexico etc know we (TT) have the talent passion and desire but they also know we don’t have the coaching, training and exposure nor the salaries to compete and take that talent to a World Cup level unless they get transferred

So when men say we have no talent.. if you feel that’s the case stop watching local and national football, stick to epl la liga etc

I have an eye for talent, always have, TT has it but the corrupt govt never helped with sport nor has the private sector..
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Controversial on November 16, 2018, 04:53:55 PM
Contro, you are crazy if you think that the Pro League, Super League players etc have any special talent that could make them world beaters.
 
Listen bro, this thing is about development. Development is a science. You need to accept the scientific approach in ensuring results. It hasn't been about "talent" for a long while. It's all about development. No one coming out of Trinidad and unto the National team experienced any major development. They just "played football".

SSFL can't develop anyone either. Not now, not never.

Our entire model needs to change but that is for the long run. In the short run we need to get TTFA commercially viable. We do that by putting butts in the stands. We do this by having players that are marketable and are of quality (John Bostock, Ryan Innis etc). Let Europe develop them and we utilise them. It really is that simple. A foreign born team can challenge for the Gold Cup etc. We need to recruit these players early.

Our next mission is to improve the u21-23 team/teams....Our assistant national mens coach should be the head coach of those teams. Let the philosophy go down the line. That coach should also be younger/youthful so that he's learning from the national mens coach etc. The other 23 team should always make up the bulk of your next round of qualification teams. Remember that players such as Gabriel Jesus playing for Brazil etc since 18 etc so u23 is already too old. People play at the world cup at 17-18 etc....But we need to place emphasis on this team because outside of the world cup, the olympics is the next big event. Our football needs that competition as well. 

The world doesn't want what we have to offer. We have players in India for goodness sake. India...Let that sink in.

We still using the National Team to "showcase" players. That is not what the National Team is for. It's up to the National player to showcase himself. The national team is to have players who possess the final product. Some of our players appear to be overweight whilst on national duty. Some are out of breath by the 70th minute. This is unacceptable.

Brother if you feel our players are shithounds then why even bother commenting or watching our football?

TT should be a fete team, there’s no need for any passionate discussion bc you’re wasting your breath on shithounds, watch epl la liga you will get your moneys worth

I have a positive attitude and I believe in our players and people, and I have seen talent above other nations in concacaf with my own eyes..l

I have had cousins who have played at Holland national level and in Europe for Ajax etc, uncles who have traveled to almost every World Cup...
All of them are non Trinis but have seen and followed our team, all have said Trinidad has the talent to be in the top 3 every campaign

I have seen it for myself... and we all agreed, coaching, training and the admin are to blame... our dictator for a prez and politics that keep our team back...

So brother you can believe what you want to believe and I’ll stick to my beliefs .... bc I know how talented we really are
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: congo on November 16, 2018, 06:26:34 PM
Brother if you feel our players are shithounds then why even bother commenting or watching our football?

TT should be a fete team, there’s no need for any passionate discussion bc you’re wasting your breath on shithounds, watch epl la liga you will get your moneys worth

I have a positive attitude and I believe in our players and people, and I have seen talent above other nations in concacaf with my own eyes..l

I have had cousins who have played at Holland national level and in Europe for Ajax etc, uncles who have traveled to almost every World Cup...
All of them are non Trinis but have seen and followed our team, all have said Trinidad has the talent to be in the top 3 every campaign

I have seen it for myself... and we all agreed, coaching, training and the admin are to blame... our dictator for a prez and politics that keep our team back...

So brother you can believe what you want to believe and I’ll stick to my beliefs .... bc I know how talented we really are


Trinidad doesn't have any sort of "special talent" that you are claiming. It's that belief that causes our players to reach the senior team still needing to be coached in the very basics of the game. "Talent" alone will not get you anywhere in football. All major football clubs in Europe etc have football academies brimming with talent but the reality is that each years hundreds of youth players are released by their clubs because they are just not good enough.  They all had "talent".

Our youth players are mainly playing in the SSFL, hoping to get a scholarship. That's the reality. That 'talent" can't compare to the 15/16 year old who making their professional debut in the champions league and Epl etc. Is chalk and cheese brother. You basing this "talent" on what? Street football in Carenage?

We need to start being realistic and honest with ourselves and what we are even attempting to achieve.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: lefty on November 16, 2018, 07:46:12 PM
Brother if you feel our players are shithounds then why even bother commenting or watching our football?

TT should be a fete team, there’s no need for any passionate discussion bc you’re wasting your breath on shithounds, watch epl la liga you will get your moneys worth

I have a positive attitude and I believe in our players and people, and I have seen talent above other nations in concacaf with my own eyes..l

I have had cousins who have played at Holland national level and in Europe for Ajax etc, uncles who have traveled to almost every World Cup...
All of them are non Trinis but have seen and followed our team, all have said Trinidad has the talent to be in the top 3 every campaign

I have seen it for myself... and we all agreed, coaching, training and the admin are to blame... our dictator for a prez and politics that keep our team back...

So brother you can believe what you want to believe and I’ll stick to my beliefs .... bc I know how talented we really are


Trinidad doesn't have any sort of "special talent" that you are claiming. It's that belief that causes our players to reach the senior team still needing to be coached in the very basics of the game. "Talent" alone will not get you anywhere in football. All major football clubs in Europe etc have football academies brimming with talent but the reality is that each years hundreds of youth players are released by their clubs because they are just not good enough.  They all had "talent".

Our youth players are mainly playing in the SSFL, hoping to get a scholarship. That's the reality. That 'talent" can't compare to the 15/16 year old who making their professional debut in the champions league and Epl etc. Is chalk and cheese brother. You basing this "talent" on what? Street football in Carenage?

We need to start being realistic and honest with ourselves and what we are even attempting to achieve.

d last of d "special" generation all have grey hair now, what we have now are a few relative standouts among fair to mediocre stock and arguably dat special generation wasn't all that special in d grand scale...d last Remanence scraped through to a single world cup in dey twilight years, we no longer have ah street football culture strong enough to give us latapy\s and york\s "naturally" and we put nutten in place to pick up dat slack.....football in this country now initiates new players through hobbyist interest....there aren't that many eat sleep breath football types in d console generation and there will be even less in d smartphone social media generation unless we put organized and well supported initiatives to get bodies back on playing fields.....after we get back some playing fields i.e. :( :P and maybe playing "cages" all over d country....but we have no set ah special talent as all dat anymore, Joevin is we last truly notable export and he scratching notoriety ankle at d minute.........

when was d last time we had ah dominant showing against CFU opposition
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on November 17, 2018, 10:27:03 PM

Put yourself as the TT coach in this present situation. Do you think you can do any better? Imaging you presenting short term and long term strategies for TT national team. Just think about that.

From the time the world cup qualifiers were done, I would have gone with a team to qualify for the Olympics 2020. Leave Levi Garcia and Joevin Jones to establish themselves professionally. Keep Bateau to help with the younger defenders coming through and maybe Hyland for his experience, and Molino when the next world cup campaign come around.

We really have nobody so great that younger players can't supplant them in preparation for the future.
I agree with you 100% but it seems as if DL has not gotten the message so it is better we get rid of this guy while we ahead of the game.

I agree with that also. TTFA should have two senior teams. The U-23 being the B team. They should have the local U-23 play against Caribbean opposition or any  CA or SA team that will schedule a game with us. TTFA is unable to multitask. The leader has on blinders. The blinders is focusing on the construction of the hotel. DL could only go so far with DJW without him being fired.
That's not DJW job that's the coach's job I remember when G Cummings and Z Vanes had the team they used to bring younger players into the team DL does not do that because he does not know what he is doing that's why he should be fired.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on November 17, 2018, 11:26:07 PM
How could you with a straight face say he doesn"t bring younger players into the team?
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on November 18, 2018, 06:36:00 AM
How could you with a straight face say he doesn"t bring younger players into the team?
Giving a man a 5 minute sweat then not using him again is not giving somebody a chance that means DL does not know what he's doing that's why he should be fired.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on November 18, 2018, 07:48:18 AM
How could you with a straight face say he doesn"t bring younger players into the team?
Giving a man a 5 minute sweat then not using him again is not giving somebody a chance that means DL does not know what he's doing that's why he should be fired.

How many players fall into that category? Who and when? Or is that you have one particular player in mind?

But let me play, five (5) minutes in football could make or break you, not so? And, 5 minutes on the pitch doesn't happen in isolation from 80 minutes of practice, ent?

Truth is, yuh touching on something I've been thinking about as well, but it likely indicates not that he doesn't know what he is doing, but that he knows what he needs NOW. Up to those players to find a place to improve in the meantime. If I'm reading you correctly, yuh might have to consider the position the player plays.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on November 18, 2018, 10:40:33 AM
How could you with a straight face say he doesn"t bring younger players into the team?
Giving a man a 5 minute sweat then not using him again is not giving somebody a chance that means DL does not know what he's doing that's why he should be fired.

How many players fall into that category? Who and when? Or is that you have one particular player in mind?

But let me play, five (5) minutes in football could make or break you, not so? And, 5 minutes on the pitch doesn't happen in isolation from 80 minutes of practice, ent?

Truth is, yuh touching on something I've been thinking about as well, but it likely indicates not that he doesn't know what he is doing, but that he knows what he needs NOW. Up to those players to find a place to improve in the meantime. If I'm reading you correctly, yuh might have to consider the position the player plays.

Once the WCQ was over it was time for the rebuilding phrase the truth is DL is to scared to give the younger players a chance that's why he is only giving them 5 minutes a game its a waste of time having him around any longer.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on November 18, 2018, 10:49:00 AM
Yuh still eh call names.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Deeks on November 18, 2018, 10:50:46 AM
It is unfortunate that the national team does not have another friendly in this fifa time window. They need more games to asses new and fringe players. It would have been nice to have a game where Greg and the new keeper split time. England, US, Mexico all playing 2 games. We played one game we were on the back foot for the most. We need more games.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on November 19, 2018, 01:13:29 AM
Yuh still eh call names.
M W Ling , K Julien , J Garcia , C Benny , T Emmanuel and S Gomez
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on November 19, 2018, 01:18:27 AM
It is unfortunate that the national team does not have another friendly in this fifa time window. They need more games to asses new and fringe players. It would have been nice to have a game where Greg and the new keeper split time. England, US, Mexico all playing 2 games. We played one game we were on the back foot for the most. We need more games.
It does not matter how much friendly's DL get he is not going to play the younger players because he is to scared to use them DL is a waste of time.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: andre samuel on November 19, 2018, 08:15:58 AM
Quick Question:

Has any Trinidadian coached or been involved in coaching at a level similar or even close to what Dennis Lawrence was exposed to at Wigan, Everton and Belgium?

Canadian national football is higher than Wigan and Everton.... beligium of course is higher than Canadian but Hart is far better

Canadian Football is what? Higher than Wigan or Everton? Ok cool......this not even worth continuing
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Deeks on November 19, 2018, 04:08:53 PM
It is unfortunate that the national team does not have another friendly in this fifa time window. They need more games to asses new and fringe players. It would have been nice to have a game where Greg and the new keeper split time. England, US, Mexico all playing 2 games. We played one game we were on the back foot for the most. We need more games.
It does not matter how much friendly's DL get he is not going to play the younger players because he is to scared to use them DL is a waste of time.

ffisback, DJW running(ruining) football at this moment. This is going to be the way until elections. DL is trying his best with a diabolical situation. Until we get a new president, and get some people with deep pockets to support him, nothing will change. So if DL leave who do you think will coach the team? You think he will bring back Hart?
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on November 20, 2018, 01:04:19 AM
It is unfortunate that the national team does not have another friendly in this fifa time window. They need more games to asses new and fringe players. It would have been nice to have a game where Greg and the new keeper split time. England, US, Mexico all playing 2 games. We played one game we were on the back foot for the most. We need more games.
It does not matter how much friendly's DL get he is not going to play the younger players because he is to scared to use them DL is a waste of time.

ffisback, DJW running(ruining) football at this moment. This is going to be the way until elections. DL is trying his best with a diabolical situation. Until we get a new president, and get some people with deep pockets to support him, nothing will change. So if DL leave who do you think will coach the team? You think he will bring back Hart?
Anybody who thinks getting rid of DJW is going to solve TTFF problems is living in a dream world anybody who takes over TTFF is going to have the same problem the federation is broke .Atleast he could get other country's federations to pay for our friendly's the problem is much bigger than DJW.


Bringing back SH is a backward step the team would go back to playing scramble football under DL the team is playing much better defensively the problem is the team is still playing scramble football. I would not hire a Trinidadian to coach the team it will have to be somebody that we can afford I think Z Vanes and F Maturana was good.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: maxg on November 20, 2018, 06:19:18 AM
I was reading yuh till that last post. Kinda loss some credibility dey. Shouldn’t post when yuh high.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Deeks on November 20, 2018, 08:51:49 AM
It is unfortunate that the national team does not have another friendly in this fifa time window. They need more games to asses new and fringe players. It would have been nice to have a game where Greg and the new keeper split time. England, US, Mexico all playing 2 games. We played one game we were on the back foot for the most. We need more games.
It does not matter how much friendly's DL get he is not going to play the younger players because he is to scared to use them DL is a waste of time.

ffisback, DJW running(ruining) football at this moment. This is going to be the way until elections. DL is trying his best with a diabolical situation. Until we get a new president, and get some people with deep pockets to support him, nothing will change. So if DL leave who do you think will coach the team? You think he will bring back Hart?
Anybody who thinks getting rid of DJW is going to solve TTFF problems is living in a dream world anybody who takes over TTFF is going to have the same problem the federation is broke .Atleast he could get other country's federations to pay for our friendly's the problem is much bigger than DJW.


Bringing back SH is a backward step the team would go back to playing scramble football under DL the team is playing much better defensively the problem is the team is still playing scramble football. I would not hire a Trinidadian to coach the team it will have to be somebody that we can afford I think Z Vanes and F Maturana was good.

Vranes and Maturana??? How may times has Vranes coached our team. He has always run against the TTFA president.  Jack always used him as care taker. Maturana was TT coach. He was a patient guy. He tried to instill some discipline structure. But again when is time to get friendlies, Jack always come up with something to full his pocket. At the same time we never played Colombia. He was a former coach there. He never tried to get Ven. or Ecuador. I have nothing against foreign coaches, but I think if you could bend backward to give a foreign coach all the resources that he demands, why the hell you can't do it for a local coach.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on November 20, 2018, 01:11:49 PM
It is unfortunate that the national team does not have another friendly in this fifa time window. They need more games to asses new and fringe players. It would have been nice to have a game where Greg and the new keeper split time. England, US, Mexico all playing 2 games. We played one game we were on the back foot for the most. We need more games.
It does not matter how much friendly's DL get he is not going to play the younger players because he is to scared to use them DL is a waste of time.

ffisback, DJW running(ruining) football at this moment. This is going to be the way until elections. DL is trying his best with a diabolical situation. Until we get a new president, and get some people with deep pockets to support him, nothing will change. So if DL leave who do you think will coach the team? You think he will bring back Hart?
Anybody who thinks getting rid of DJW is going to solve TTFF problems is living in a dream world anybody who takes over TTFF is going to have the same problem the federation is broke .Atleast he could get other country's federations to pay for our friendly's the problem is much bigger than DJW.


Bringing back SH is a backward step the team would go back to playing scramble football under DL the team is playing much better defensively the problem is the team is still playing scramble football. I would not hire a Trinidadian to coach the team it will have to be somebody that we can afford I think Z Vanes and F Maturana was good.

Vranes and Maturana??? How may times has Vranes coached our team. He has always run against the TTFA president.  Jack always used him as care taker. Maturana was TT coach. He was a patient guy. He tried to instill some discipline structure. But again when is time to get friendlies, Jack always come up with something to full his pocket. At the same time we never played Colombia. He was a former coach there. He never tried to get Ven. or Ecuador. I have nothing against foreign coaches, but I think if you could bend backward to give a foreign coach all the resources that he demands, why the hell you can't do it for a local coach.
[/b]The realty is only Vanes and Maturana would put up with the BS that goes on in TT another foreign coach would tell them idiots to like there balls and with no money I don't think we have much of a choice. J Warner used Vanes because he was able to get decent results with out spending much money which is something he could not get with local coach's and when TT finally defeated the U S A in a WCQ in 2008 that was 1 of the best moments as a TT football fan Maturana record speak for itself.

People in TT continue use this false notion that instead of spending money and resources on a foreign coach they could get the same result if they spend on a local coach that could not be furthest from the truth coach's  like B ST Clair and S Hart got more friendly's and financial support than the foreign coach's and they still got there buts kick.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on November 20, 2018, 03:51:03 PM
Yuh still eh call names.
M W Ling , K Julien , J Garcia , C Benny , T Emmanuel and S Gomez

Pappy has been in and around (training, Tallman?). Julien is in the mix. Judah Garcia merits being in and around as often as possible. For Woo Ling it is a question of career management. He needs to do more and in the right environments to merit a senior national team call up. Ah not giving him even ah "in and around" rating. Plain talk.

Regarding Shannon Gomez, it might not hurt DL to ask Patrick Viera a few questions and then place that conversation against what he sees currently. Definitely merits inquiry.

Che Benny? Not yet.

Yuh left out some other names doh. Dem fellas not yuh friends?
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Deeks on November 20, 2018, 04:16:17 PM
People in TT continue use this false notion that instead of spending money and resources on a foreign coach they could get the same result if they spend on a local coach that could not be furthest from the truth coach's  like B ST Clair and S Hart got more friendly's and financial support than the foreign coach's and they still got there buts kick.

There is no false notion here. We have had foreign coaches into TT from the 60s to just recently with Sainfeit. Only one has been successful. Beenie Man.  Gally was the only local coach on the brink of taking the national team to the WC. That is another story. But sometimes a foreign coach is good. Sometime a local coach is good. We eh doing anything different from what the US is doing in terms of selecting a coach. They have local local coaches and they have had foreign coaches. What the US has over us is an abundance of resources. Resources that they can have a fulfledged  academy. You don't hear coaches not getting paid and all that non-sense.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Cocorite on November 20, 2018, 06:00:03 PM
People in TT continue use this false notion that instead of spending money and resources on a foreign coach they could get the same result if they spend on a local coach that could not be furthest from the truth coach's  like B ST Clair and S Hart got more friendly's and financial support than the foreign coach's and they still got there buts kick.

There is no false notion here. We have had foreign coaches into TT from the 60s to just recently with Sainfeit. Only one has been successful. Beenie Man.  Gally was the only local coach on the brink of taking the national team to the WC. That is another story. But sometimes a foreign coach is good. Sometime a local coach is good. We eh doing anything different from what the US is doing in terms of selecting a coach. They have local local coaches and they have had foreign coaches. What the US has over us is an abundance of resources. Resources that they can have a fulfledged  academy. You don't hear coaches not getting paid and all that non-sense.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Tallman on November 20, 2018, 06:07:49 PM
Yuh still eh call names.
M W Ling , K Julien , J Garcia , C Benny , T Emmanuel and S Gomez

Pappy has been in and around (training, Tallman?).

He was called into a senior team camp earlier this year. However he has had some injury setbacks since then.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Tallman on November 20, 2018, 06:09:17 PM
People in TT continue use this false notion that instead of spending money and resources on a foreign coach they could get the same result if they spend on a local coach that could not be furthest from the truth coach's  like B ST Clair and S Hart got more friendly's and financial support than the foreign coach's and they still got there buts kick.

Where are the facts to support these assertions?
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: kiffysmooth on November 20, 2018, 06:51:13 PM
ffisback can't be serious.  You really said bringing back SH is a backward step?  You really rating DL over SH???  Nah man you can't be serious.  D best football dis nation ever play in d history of d game is under SH.  Hart is d man who made us a competitive nation again.  People who actually play fitball would understand d brand.  Fans who never kick ah lime in dey life might mirror your sentiments
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Deeks on November 20, 2018, 09:31:39 PM
ffisback can't be serious.  You really said bringing back SH is a backward step?  You really rating DL over SH???  Nah man you can't be serious.  D best football dis nation ever play in d history of d game is under SH.  Hart is d man who made us a competitive nation again.  People who actually play fitball would understand d brand.  Fans who never kick ah lime in dey life might mirror your sentiments

kiffy, SH had the team playing some very good ball especially in the Gold cup. The 4-4 tie with Mex and 3-3 tie with Mex were some of the best ball since the  Strike Squad and the Warriors. But when we lost to Haiti 1-0 in Panama for the spot in the Copa America, SH days were numbered. Then the incident with DJW, where SH did not want the team to go to Equatorial Guinea after a very recent tour to Asia. That was it. I was real disappointed that we did not go to the COPA.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on November 21, 2018, 12:35:27 AM
Yuh still eh call names.
M W Ling , K Julien , J Garcia , C Benny , T Emmanuel and S Gomez

Pappy has been in and around (training, Tallman?). Julien is in the mix. Judah Garcia merits being in and around as often as possible. For Woo Ling it is a question of career management. He needs to do more and in the right environments to merit a senior national team call up. Ah not giving him even ah "in and around" rating. Plain talk.

Regarding Shannon Gomez, it might not hurt DL to ask Patrick Viera a few questions and then place that conversation against what he sees currently. Definitely merits inquiry.

Che Benny? Not yet.

Yuh left out some other names doh. Dem fellas not yuh friends?
Once DL gives a player like N Lewis who is riding pine in the USL playing time he has shown that he does not know what he is doing and he should be fired all the players who name I called should be given playing time.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on November 21, 2018, 02:28:04 AM
People in TT continue use this false notion that instead of spending money and resources on a foreign coach they could get the same result if they spend on a local coach that could not be furthest from the truth coach's  like B ST Clair and S Hart got more friendly's and financial support than the foreign coach's and they still got there buts kick.

There is no false notion here. We have had foreign coaches into TT from the 60s to just recently with Sainfeit. Only one has been successful. Beenie Man.  Gally was the only local coach on the brink of taking the national team to the WC. That is another story. But sometimes a foreign coach is good. Sometime a local coach is good. We eh doing anything different from what the US is doing in terms of selecting a coach. They have local local coaches and they have had foreign coaches. What the US has over us is an abundance of resources. Resources that they can have a fulfledged  academy. You don't hear coaches not getting paid and all that non-sense.
There you go again with your false notion people come to America and see how successful they are with all that  money and confuse the 2 and say if TT had all that money we will be successful too  :bs: All that oil money TT had and what they have to show for it "nothing" Jamaica will always outshine TT on the world stage because they are organized and they strive for profection  the U S A have something that TT does not have professionalism the league may not be that good but it is a professional league the coach's may not be that good but he's a professional coach the players may not be that good but they are professional players TT is run by amateurs the players the coach's the administration is all a bunch amateurs giving a TT coach money etc is a waste of time they could only screw it up because they are amateurs look at all the money that was spent on B St Clair and S Hart and look how much licks we got from that G Cummings had a good football philosophy but because he was a amateur he failed.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Deeks on November 21, 2018, 07:45:01 AM
People in TT continue use this false notion that instead of spending money and resources on a foreign coach they could get the same result if they spend on a local coach that could not be furthest from the truth coach's  like B ST Clair and S Hart got more friendly's and financial support than the foreign coach's and they still got there buts kick.

There is no false notion here. We have had foreign coaches into TT from the 60s to just recently with Sainfeit. Only one has been successful. Beenie Man.  Gally was the only local coach on the brink of taking the national team to the WC. That is another story. But sometimes a foreign coach is good. Sometime a local coach is good. We eh doing anything different from what the US is doing in terms of selecting a coach. They have local local coaches and they have had foreign coaches. What the US has over us is an abundance of resources. Resources that they can have a fulfledged  academy. You don't hear coaches not getting paid and all that non-sense.
There you go again with your false notion people come to America and see how successful they are with all that  money and confuse the 2 and say if TT had all that money we will be successful too  :bs: All that oil money TT had and what they have to show for it "nothing" Jamaica will always outshine TT on the world stage because they are organized and they strive for profection  the U S A have something that TT does not have professionalism the league may not be that good but it is a professional league the coach's may not be that good but he's a professional coach the players may not be that good but they are professional players TT is run by amateurs the players the coach's the administration is all a bunch amateurs giving a TT coach money etc is a waste of time they could only screw it up because they are amateurs look at all the money that was spent on B St Clair and S Hart and look how much licks we got from that G Cummings had a good football philosophy but because he was a amateur he failed.

Breds, you so anti Trini, is a waste of time trying to argue with you. Our priority is to see about the locals first. Players and coaches. That does not mean we  should not include our foreign-born children. We have been doing it in the past.We will continue to do it in the future.  Who do you think contacted Birchall to play for Trini. It was DL. And we have used others since then. Some have rejected us(Bobby Zamora and Bostock). Hooray for Jamaica if they outshine us. I give them their dues. We have lot's in common but we are  two different peas in a pod. We think one way, they think the other. All of us don't think and do things the same. Right now the number ONE priority is to get rid DJW. People at home who could influence the stakeholders in TT football should not wait for election to influence the outcome. They should be doing it now.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on November 21, 2018, 09:16:25 AM
I think Z Vanes and F Maturana was good.

Once DL gives a player like N Lewis who is riding pine in the USL playing time he has shown that he does not know what he is doing and he should be fired all the players who name I called should be given playing time.

Wait, so you championing Maturana who gave Hyland among others numerous caps while "unattached" but taking issue with DL capping Lewis?.  How is it not worse to call up players not signed to any club at all than calling up Lewis who is attached to a club and practicing within a structured football environment?
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Trini Madness on November 21, 2018, 09:25:32 AM

Put yourself as the TT coach in this present situation. Do you think you can do any better? Imaging you presenting short term and long term strategies for TT national team. Just think about that.

From the time the world cup qualifiers were done, I would have gone with a team to qualify for the Olympics 2020. Leave Levi Garcia and Joevin Jones to establish themselves professionally. Keep Bateau to help with the younger defenders coming through and maybe Hyland for his experience, and Molino when the next world cup campaign come around.

We really have nobody so great that younger players can't supplant them in preparation for the future.
I agree with you 100% but it seems as if DL has not gotten the message so it is better we get rid of this guy while we ahead of the game.

I agree with that also. TTFA should have two senior teams. The U-23 being the B team. They should have the local U-23 play against Caribbean opposition or any  CA or SA team that will schedule a game with us. TTFA is unable to multitask. The leader has on blinders. The blinders is focusing on the construction of the hotel. DL could only go so far with DJW without him being fired.
That's not DJW job that's the coach's job I remember when G Cummings and Z Vanes had the team they used to bring younger players into the team DL does not do that because he does not know what he is doing that's why he should be fired.
DJW is the one who is telling DL which players he should pick, DJW did it to Hart, and Hart refused which resulted him getting fired.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on November 21, 2018, 12:26:22 PM
People in TT continue use this false notion that instead of spending money and resources on a foreign coach they could get the same result if they spend on a local coach that could not be furthest from the truth coach's  like B ST Clair and S Hart got more friendly's and financial support than the foreign coach's and they still got there buts kick.

There is no false notion here. We have had foreign coaches into TT from the 60s to just recently with Sainfeit. Only one has been successful. Beenie Man.  Gally was the only local coach on the brink of taking the national team to the WC. That is another story. But sometimes a foreign coach is good. Sometime a local coach is good. We eh doing anything different from what the US is doing in terms of selecting a coach. They have local local coaches and they have had foreign coaches. What the US has over us is an abundance of resources. Resources that they can have a fulfledged  academy. You don't hear coaches not getting paid and all that non-sense.
There you go again with your false notion people come to America and see how successful they are with all that  money and confuse the 2 and say if TT had all that money we will be successful too  :bs: All that oil money TT had and what they have to show for it "nothing" Jamaica will always outshine TT on the world stage because they are organized and they strive for profection  the U S A have something that TT does not have professionalism the league may not be that good but it is a professional league the coach's may not be that good but he's a professional coach the players may not be that good but they are professional players TT is run by amateurs the players the coach's the administration is all a bunch amateurs giving a TT coach money etc is a waste of time they could only screw it up because they are amateurs look at all the money that was spent on B St Clair and S Hart and look how much licks we got from that G Cummings had a good football philosophy but because he was a amateur he failed.

Breds, you so anti Trini, is a waste of time trying to argue with you. Our priority is to see about the locals first. Players and coaches. That does not mean we  should not include our foreign-born children. We have been doing it in the past.We will continue to do it in the future.  Who do you think contacted Birchall to play for Trini. It was DL. And we have used others since then. Some have rejected us(Bobby Zamora and Bostock). Hooray for Jamaica if they outshine us. I give them their dues. We have lot's in common but we are  two different peas in a pod. We think one way, they think the other. All of us don't think and do things the same. Right now the number ONE priority is to get rid DJW. People at home who could influence the stakeholders in TT football should not wait for election to influence the outcome. They should be doing it now.
While I agree that DJW must go you are missing the big picture changing the president is not going to solve the problem not paying players and coach's is been going on for donkey years not getting teams prepared for tournaments is nothing new the problem is much bigger than DJW nobody is going to spend there money on failing organization that has no accountability .
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on November 21, 2018, 12:33:56 PM
I think Z Vanes and F Maturana was good.

Once DL gives a player like N Lewis who is riding pine in the USL playing time he has shown that he does not know what he is doing and he should be fired all the players who name I called should be given playing time.

Wait, so you championing Maturana who gave Hyland among others numerous caps while "unattached" but taking issue with DL capping Lewis?.  How is it not worse to call up players not signed to any club at all than calling up Lewis who is attached to a club and practicing within a structured football environment?
Apples and grapes Hyland was a young 19 year old player who was on the verge of signing a contract in Europe and needed the caps N Lewis is 28 years old no club in Europe will sign a unproven player that age.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on November 21, 2018, 12:38:49 PM

Put yourself as the TT coach in this present situation. Do you think you can do any better? Imaging you presenting short term and long term strategies for TT national team. Just think about that.

From the time the world cup qualifiers were done, I would have gone with a team to qualify for the Olympics 2020. Leave Levi Garcia and Joevin Jones to establish themselves professionally. Keep Bateau to help with the younger defenders coming through and maybe Hyland for his experience, and Molino when the next world cup campaign come around.

We really have nobody so great that younger players can't supplant them in preparation for the future.
I agree with you 100% but it seems as if DL has not gotten the message so it is better we get rid of this guy while we ahead of the game.

I agree with that also. TTFA should have two senior teams. The U-23 being the B team. They should have the local U-23 play against Caribbean opposition or any  CA or SA team that will schedule a game with us. TTFA is unable to multitask. The leader has on blinders. The blinders is focusing on the construction of the hotel. DL could only go so far with DJW without him being fired.
That's not DJW job that's the coach's job I remember when G Cummings and Z Vanes had the team they used to bring younger players into the team DL does not do that because he does not know what he is doing that's why he should be fired.
DJW is the one who is telling DL which players he should pick, DJW did it to Hart, and Hart refused which resulted him getting fired.
If S Hart was picking his own team and still getting his but kick he deserved to get fired.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: maxg on November 21, 2018, 02:32:47 PM
What if I say. Hart had a similar record to BeenHakker. What if I say, from 2013 to 2015, during Hart's tenure (2013-2016), BeenHakker was the football director and adviser. What if I say a coach with the best record was a local coach. Would you take the blue pill or the red pill ?

Either way. Hart, BeenHakker, Maturana, ain't coming back..no foreigner worth there salt would take the job - that includes many coaches on this shit-talk board right here..Vranes has not built any strong resume ( a la a Fenwick) by being a multiple snr winner in the local leagues. I suggest, be glad we have Dennis Lawrence who has some measure of experience, local and international, as both a player and a coach, and we should try keeping him as long as possible as he works to get things right. On the job training yes, but with our Team, administration and supporters, it will always and forever be a work in progress. We never really consistently win anything. Always if, coulda and woulda.
Try to keep the somebody on a long term, so they can develop and build something instead of breaking down and starting over everytime a cold breeze blow, or a heat wave pass. It's normal weather for our region, especially these days.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on November 21, 2018, 04:14:54 PM
What if I say. Hart had a similar record to BeenHakker. What if I say, from 2013 to 2015, during Hart's tenure (2013-2016), BeenHakker was the football director and adviser. What if I say a coach with the best record was a local coach. Would you take the blue pill or the red pill ?

Either way. Hart, BeenHakker, Maturana, ain't coming back..no foreigner worth there salt would take the job - that includes many coaches on this shit-talk board right here..Vranes has not built any strong resume ( a la a Fenwick) by being a multiple snr winner in the local leagues. I suggest, be glad we have Dennis Lawrence who has some measure of experience, local and international, as both a player and a coach, and we should try keeping him as long as possible as he works to get things right. On the job training yes, but with our Team, administration and supporters, it will always and forever be a work in progress. We never really consistently win anything. Always if, coulda and woulda.
Try to keep the somebody on a long term, so they can develop and build something instead of breaking down and starting over everytime a cold breeze blow, or a heat wave pass. It's normal weather for our region, especially these days.
What if I say I had the winning lotto numbers I would be rich today now back to realty SH has done nothing to prove that he is a successful coach he could not even win the Caribbean cup something ZV who you don't much of has won what made SH such a successful coach to the people of TT is something i cannot comprehend.
What made Beenhakker successful was R Latapy comming out of retirement if R Latapy never came back Beenhakker would have been another failed foreign coach I would never hire him to take TT football into the future and i believe Vanes and Maturana is more suitable for the job and will give TT a chance again.

And after nearly 2 years its plane to see that DL does not have what it takes to take this team into the futeur .
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Cocorite on November 21, 2018, 04:24:15 PM
How much is ffisback paying you all to educate him? ???

Doh tell meh is free education allyuh throwin way dey yuh know.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: maxg on November 21, 2018, 05:30:58 PM
What if I say. Hart had a similar record to BeenHakker. What if I say, from 2013 to 2015, during Hart's tenure (2013-2016), BeenHakker was the football director and adviser. What if I say a coach with the best record was a local coach. Would you take the blue pill or the red pill ?

Either way. Hart, BeenHakker, Maturana, ain't coming back..no foreigner worth there salt would take the job - that includes many coaches on this shit-talk board right here..Vranes has not built any strong resume ( a la a Fenwick) by being a multiple snr winner in the local leagues. I suggest, be glad we have Dennis Lawrence who has some measure of experience, local and international, as both a player and a coach, and we should try keeping him as long as possible as he works to get things right. On the job training yes, but with our Team, administration and supporters, it will always and forever be a work in progress. We never really consistently win anything. Always if, coulda and woulda.
Try to keep the somebody on a long term, so they can develop and build something instead of breaking down and starting over everytime a cold breeze blow, or a heat wave pass. It's normal weather for our region, especially these days.
What if I say I had the winning lotto numbers I would be rich today now back to realty SH has done nothing to prove that he is a successful coach he could not even win the Caribbean cup something ZV who you don't much of has won what made SH such a successful coach to the people of TT is something i cannot comprehend.
What made Beenhakker successful was R Latapy comming out of retirement if R Latapy never came back Beenhakker would have been another failed foreign coach I would never hire him to take TT football into the future and i believe Vanes and Maturana is more suitable for the job and will give TT a chance again.

And after nearly 2 years its plane to see that DL does not have what it takes to take this team into the futeur .

if you had the winning lotto numbers you might be rich, but you would still be ignorant of the fact that the one reality is Dennis Lawrence is the current coach and unless he quits or is fired - I doubt because of your feelings or anybody feelings or your new found money - there is no other candidate being considered. Totally irregardless of how you feel about Stephen Hart. Maybe you can hire Maturana with your dream money.
Point taken Cocorite.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on November 21, 2018, 09:27:34 PM
What if I say. Hart had a similar record to BeenHakker. What if I say, from 2013 to 2015, during Hart's tenure (2013-2016), BeenHakker was the football director and adviser. What if I say a coach with the best record was a local coach. Would you take the blue pill or the red pill ?

Either way. Hart, BeenHakker, Maturana, ain't coming back..no foreigner worth there salt would take the job - that includes many coaches on this shit-talk board right here..Vranes has not built any strong resume ( a la a Fenwick) by being a multiple snr winner in the local leagues. I suggest, be glad we have Dennis Lawrence who has some measure of experience, local and international, as both a player and a coach, and we should try keeping him as long as possible as he works to get things right. On the job training yes, but with our Team, administration and supporters, it will always and forever be a work in progress. We never really consistently win anything. Always if, coulda and woulda.
Try to keep the somebody on a long term, so they can develop and build something instead of breaking down and starting over everytime a cold breeze blow, or a heat wave pass. It's normal weather for our region, especially these days.
What if I say I had the winning lotto numbers I would be rich today now back to realty SH has done nothing to prove that he is a successful coach he could not even win the Caribbean cup something ZV who you don't much of has won what made SH such a successful coach to the people of TT is something i cannot comprehend.
What made Beenhakker successful was R Latapy comming out of retirement if R Latapy never came back Beenhakker would have been another failed foreign coach I would never hire him to take TT football into the future and i believe Vanes and Maturana is more suitable for the job and will give TT a chance again.

And after nearly 2 years its plane to see that DL does not have what it takes to take this team into the futeur .

if you had the winning lotto numbers you might be rich, but you would still be ignorant of the fact that the one reality is Dennis Lawrence is the current coach and unless he quits or is fired - I doubt because of your feelings or anybody feelings or your new found money - there is no other candidate being considered. Totally irregardless of how you feel about Stephen Hart. Maybe you can hire Maturana with your dream money.
Point taken Cocorite.
Speaking of ignorance you have failed to make a case as to why DL who has never coached any were before is going to turn TT into a successful team or if SH was so successful how come he could not win a little tournament like the Caribbean cup.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Deeks on November 21, 2018, 10:19:39 PM
Speaking of ignorance you have failed to make a case as to why DL who has never coached any were before is going to turn TT into a successful team or if SH was so successful how come he could not win a little tournament like the Caribbean cup.

He was an assistant at Everton for a number of years. wasn't he? He has a coaching barge. As you may know, it is very difficult for native born Blacks to get a foot in English football coaching society. I was surprised he got an assistant job in England. The only other option for him was to come back home. Where did Sol Campbell coached before he came to TT for a brief stint.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: maxg on November 21, 2018, 11:04:42 PM
'being successful at football' is a relative term. it depends on current status(position), setting and achieving of goals, level of support administratively, financially, and publicly, development, selection, product, produce (some say, chemistry), test, adjustment and pure luck, and current state of the Nation . Only God can guarantee any success, and even that deity mysterious works we still trying to figure out. I think the state of the world today, God to busy to manage we team - even if he might be Trini.
 However, let's look at general resumes. Note we could only look at resumes we can presently afford, don't know why you keep bringing up Hart, he was no God, and if he was, he's gone, still being owed (fired, no less) and probably not affordable at present (i will include his just for reference).
Sometimes I wonder if that is why TT where we is, the God came and TTians say we doh need he..We have we own.

So given the present state of the TTFA(or TT) economy, and our product as is, who you hiring ?
This revolving door thing has to stop, we not no professional club, even if it might be a decent model to follow. Anyway, with this I stop.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Lawrence

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoran_Vrane%C5%A1


and only because you seem determined to see a Contro post.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Hart_(soccer)
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Trini Madness on November 22, 2018, 05:27:41 AM

Put yourself as the TT coach in this present situation. Do you think you can do any better? Imaging you presenting short term and long term strategies for TT national team. Just think about that.

From the time the world cup qualifiers were done, I would have gone with a team to qualify for the Olympics 2020. Leave Levi Garcia and Joevin Jones to establish themselves professionally. Keep Bateau to help with the younger defenders coming through and maybe Hyland for his experience, and Molino when the next world cup campaign come around.

We really have nobody so great that younger players can't supplant them in preparation for the future.
I agree with you 100% but it seems as if DL has not gotten the message so it is better we get rid of this guy while we ahead of the game.

I agree with that also. TTFA should have two senior teams. The U-23 being the B team. They should have the local U-23 play against Caribbean opposition or any  CA or SA team that will schedule a game with us. TTFA is unable to multitask. The leader has on blinders. The blinders is focusing on the construction of the hotel. DL could only go so far with DJW without him being fired.
That's not DJW job that's the coach's job I remember when G Cummings and Z Vanes had the team they used to bring younger players into the team DL does not do that because he does not know what he is doing that's why he should be fired.
DJW is the one who is telling DL which players he should pick, DJW did it to Hart, and Hart refused which resulted him getting fired.
If S Hart was picking his own team and still getting his but kick he deserved to get fired.

DJW was stirring up trouble amongst the players, you didnt see that did you? DJW didnt want Hart from the get go.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on November 22, 2018, 08:09:41 AM
Speaking of ignorance you have failed to make a case as to why DL who has never coached any were before is going to turn TT into a successful team or if SH was so successful how come he could not win a little tournament like the Caribbean cup.

He was an assistant at Everton for a number of years. wasn't he? He has a coaching barge. As you may know, it is very difficult for native born Blacks to get a foot in English football coaching society. I was surprised he got an assistant job in England. The only other option for him was to come back home. Where did Sol Campbell coached before he came to TT for a brief stint.
My problem with former players like R Latapy and D Lawrence is that instead of trying to get coaching jobs in the lower divisions to get experience they always take the easy way out and run back to TT there is a lot of coaching jobs in the lower levels in Europe but them men doh ha the belly to stick it out they want to run back home and get a easy check and play big coach and turn the NT into some reserve team training exercise TT is a top 10 team in the concacaf we are used to challengeing the big boys we don't need no reserve team coach we need a real coach.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on November 22, 2018, 09:26:21 AM
'being successful at football' is a relative term. it depends on current status(position), setting and achieving of goals, level of support administratively, financially, and publicly, development, selection, product, produce (some say, chemistry), test, adjustment and pure luck, and current state of the Nation . Only God can guarantee any success, and even that deity mysterious works we still trying to figure out. I think the state of the world today, God to busy to manage we team - even if he might be Trini.
 However, let's look at general resumes. Note we could only look at resumes we can presently afford, don't know why you keep bringing up Hart, he was no God, and if he was, he's gone, still being owed (fired, no less) and probably not affordable at present (i will include his just for reference).
Sometimes I wonder if that is why TT where we is, the God came and TTians say we doh need he..We have we own.

So given the present state of the TTFA(or TT) economy, and our product as is, who you hiring ?
This revolving door thing has to stop, we not no professional club, even if it might be a decent model to follow. Anyway, with this I stop.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Lawrence

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoran_Vrane%C5%A1


and only because you seem determined to see a Contro post.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Hart_(soccer)
I agree with a lot what you said and I know the TTFF is broke but I'm sure that the money that they paying  DL they could get a better coach for that money of the coach's you mention DL has no 1st team coaching experience player development is not the same as building a team. SH has a lot of coaching experience but flopped when he had Canada and TT his outdated English football style was just to predictable. ZV built St Vincent most successful team he built Antigua most successful team he built TT most successful u20 team he built TT most successful Olympic team had G Cummings not sabotage the team in 1996 he probably would have been successful there to so I will put my money on Vanes anytime over does guys.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on November 22, 2018, 10:16:16 AM
@ffisback

You seem to be ignoring that the TTFA solicited applications worldwide. Do you recall, or are you aware of, the number of persons who applied for the position? From that actual pool of applicants, we have definition of those who were concretely interested in the job. What's your plan? To present the job to someone who is not interested in the position?

Did Vranes apply for the position?

Where is this supposed "better coach for that money" among the applicants?
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on November 22, 2018, 05:16:49 PM
Placing on the job training in context:

Quote
Last season Gerrard coached Liverpool’s Under-18s. “I learned a lot preparing and delivering sessions, speaking to players one-to-one, using different formations. It gave me a year’s driving lessons. I wasn’t expecting the Rangers offer. Do I think it came a bit early? Probably. But when it’s a club as big as Rangers you only get one opportunity to manage them. So I had to reflect. Where am I strong? Who do I need to help me in areas where I lack experience? The staff Rangers put around me have been absolutely brilliant.”

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/nov/15/steven-gerrard-rangers-liverpool-jurgen-klopp-chelsea-interview

Everything is not necessarily about the First Team experience. Every coach has had a first coaching job and a lack of experience. More important than experience is a personalized understanding of how to effectively convey/teach the game to players.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: lefty on November 22, 2018, 08:35:02 PM
all this talk of youth not getting a chance and Latapy just basically said that SSFL don't develop footballing intelligence in our youth........thing is our most notable young prospect not too long ago IMHO displayed this very said lack of football intelligence........I once hypothesized a while ago that Latapy's struggle as a coach has much to do with his seeming inability to "transfer that intelligence" as a coach......on his feet Latapy made the players around him somehow "magically" better will never forget dat 20mins against Paraguay in 06 where ah team was disjointed for 70min was suddenly playing all over Paraguay....man suddenly knowing where to be for the flick pass...dropping to pull players and create space...all while forming these fluid triangles....

I watch SSFL highlights every now and then and while you see nice individual football you don't see much good TEAM football.....all dat fluff jus to say that all these INDIVIDUALS ffsback going on about generally leave much to be desired when their INDIVIDUAL talents get nullified, and often very easily, by better "educated" players on better "educated" TEAMS.....d whole is always greater than d sum of d parts....something our football culture often ignores.....yuh ever notice dat we have ah chronic habit of defending with half ah team :-\ watch d last american goal, how long it take to score and how many attacking players reach back to support....................

Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on November 22, 2018, 10:02:08 PM
@ffisback

You seem to be ignoring that the TTFA solicited applications worldwide. Do you recall, or are you aware of, the number of persons who applied for the position? From that actual pool of applicants, we have definition of those who were concretely interested in the job. What's your plan? To present the job to someone who is not interested in the position?

Did Vranes apply for the position?

Where is this supposed "better coach for that money" among the applicants?
I read some were that Vanes and Maturana put in for the position and if what you telling me is true that people from all over the world put in for the position and that is who they chose everybody on that board should be fired at once.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on November 22, 2018, 10:11:48 PM
Placing on the job training in context:

Quote
Last season Gerrard coached Liverpool’s Under-18s. “I learned a lot preparing and delivering sessions, speaking to players one-to-one, using different formations. It gave me a year’s driving lessons. I wasn’t expecting the Rangers offer. Do I think it came a bit early? Probably. But when it’s a club as big as Rangers you only get one opportunity to manage them. So I had to reflect. Where am I strong? Who do I need to help me in areas where I lack experience? The staff Rangers put around me have been absolutely brilliant.”

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/nov/15/steven-gerrard-rangers-liverpool-jurgen-klopp-chelsea-interview

Everything is not necessarily about the First Team experience. Every coach has had a first coaching job and a lack of experience. More important than experience is a personalized understanding of how to effectively convey/teach the game to players.
Everybody is not a quick learner S Gerrard may only needs 1 stint with the u18 team D Lawrence probably need several stints.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on November 22, 2018, 10:20:28 PM
all this talk of youth not getting a chance and Latapy just basically said that SSFL don't develop footballing intelligence in our youth........thing is our most notable young prospect not too long ago IMHO displayed this very said lack of football intelligence........I once hypothesized a while ago that Latapy's struggle as a coach has much to do with his seeming inability to "transfer that intelligence" as a coach......on his feet Latapy made the players around him somehow "magically" better will never forget dat 20mins against Paraguay in 06 where ah team was disjointed for 70min was suddenly playing all over Paraguay....man suddenly knowing where to be for the flick pass...dropping to pull players and create space...all while forming these fluid triangles....

I watch SSFL highlights every now and then and while you see nice individual football you don't see much good TEAM football.....all dat fluff jus to say that all these INDIVIDUALS ffsback going on about generally leave much to be desired when their INDIVIDUAL talents get nullified, and often very easily, by better "educated" players on better "educated" TEAMS.....d whole is always greater than d sum of d parts....something our football culture often ignores.....yuh ever notice dat we have ah chronic habit of defending with half ah team :-\ watch d last american goal, how long it take to score and how many attacking players reach back to support....................


I agree that the SSFL is not good enough anymore but my problem is with the fact that DL is not giving these younger players a chance to play on the senior team that's the only way they will improve is if they play against better players.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Dinner Mints on November 23, 2018, 09:02:22 AM
National team is not OJT. And playing against better players once every 2 months not gonna improve nobody. Improvement comes with consistency comes with practice comes with systems of development.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Trini Madness on November 23, 2018, 11:57:03 AM
all this talk of youth not getting a chance and Latapy just basically said that SSFL don't develop footballing intelligence in our youth........thing is our most notable young prospect not too long ago IMHO displayed this very said lack of football intelligence........I once hypothesized a while ago that Latapy's struggle as a coach has much to do with his seeming inability to "transfer that intelligence" as a coach......on his feet Latapy made the players around him somehow "magically" better will never forget dat 20mins against Paraguay in 06 where ah team was disjointed for 70min was suddenly playing all over Paraguay....man suddenly knowing where to be for the flick pass...dropping to pull players and create space...all while forming these fluid triangles....

I watch SSFL highlights every now and then and while you see nice individual football you don't see much good TEAM football.....all dat fluff jus to say that all these INDIVIDUALS ffsback going on about generally leave much to be desired when their INDIVIDUAL talents get nullified, and often very easily, by better "educated" players on better "educated" TEAMS.....d whole is always greater than d sum of d parts....something our football culture often ignores.....yuh ever notice dat we have ah chronic habit of defending with half ah team :-\ watch d last american goal, how long it take to score and how many attacking players reach back to support....................


I agree that the SSFL is not good enough anymore but my problem is with the fact that DL is not giving these younger players a chance to play on the senior team that's the only way they will improve is if they play against better players.
DJW has a hand in player selections!!! DL I'm sure given the chance to choose freely, wouldve given younger players a chance. Lawd I cant wait for DJW to be gone and we get a proper president who will show full support to the TTFA as a whole, THEN will you be proven wrong. Allyuh...remember this thread when things change.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on November 23, 2018, 08:24:02 PM
National team is not OJT. And playing against better players once every 2 months not gonna improve nobody. Improvement comes with consistency comes with practice comes with systems of development.
So we might as well stop playing friendly's then.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on November 23, 2018, 08:27:21 PM
all this talk of youth not getting a chance and Latapy just basically said that SSFL don't develop footballing intelligence in our youth........thing is our most notable young prospect not too long ago IMHO displayed this very said lack of football intelligence........I once hypothesized a while ago that Latapy's struggle as a coach has much to do with his seeming inability to "transfer that intelligence" as a coach......on his feet Latapy made the players around him somehow "magically" better will never forget dat 20mins against Paraguay in 06 where ah team was disjointed for 70min was suddenly playing all over Paraguay....man suddenly knowing where to be for the flick pass...dropping to pull players and create space...all while forming these fluid triangles....

I watch SSFL highlights every now and then and while you see nice individual football you don't see much good TEAM football.....all dat fluff jus to say that all these INDIVIDUALS ffsback going on about generally leave much to be desired when their INDIVIDUAL talents get nullified, and often very easily, by better "educated" players on better "educated" TEAMS.....d whole is always greater than d sum of d parts....something our football culture often ignores.....yuh ever notice dat we have ah chronic habit of defending with half ah team :-\ watch d last american goal, how long it take to score and how many attacking players reach back to support....................


I agree that the SSFL is not good enough anymore but my problem is with the fact that DL is not giving these younger players a chance to play on the senior team that's the only way they will improve is if they play against better players.
DJW has a hand in player selections!!! DL I'm sure given the chance to choose freely, wouldve given younger players a chance. Lawd I cant wait for DJW to be gone and we get a proper president who will show full support to the TTFA as a whole, THEN will you be proven wrong. Allyuh...remember this thread when things change.
Lord father put a hand on these people!!
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Trini Madness on November 24, 2018, 05:08:19 AM
all this talk of youth not getting a chance and Latapy just basically said that SSFL don't develop footballing intelligence in our youth........thing is our most notable young prospect not too long ago IMHO displayed this very said lack of football intelligence........I once hypothesized a while ago that Latapy's struggle as a coach has much to do with his seeming inability to "transfer that intelligence" as a coach......on his feet Latapy made the players around him somehow "magically" better will never forget dat 20mins against Paraguay in 06 where ah team was disjointed for 70min was suddenly playing all over Paraguay....man suddenly knowing where to be for the flick pass...dropping to pull players and create space...all while forming these fluid triangles....

I watch SSFL highlights every now and then and while you see nice individual football you don't see much good TEAM football.....all dat fluff jus to say that all these INDIVIDUALS ffsback going on about generally leave much to be desired when their INDIVIDUAL talents get nullified, and often very easily, by better "educated" players on better "educated" TEAMS.....d whole is always greater than d sum of d parts....something our football culture often ignores.....yuh ever notice dat we have ah chronic habit of defending with half ah team :-\ watch d last american goal, how long it take to score and how many attacking players reach back to support....................


I agree that the SSFL is not good enough anymore but my problem is with the fact that DL is not giving these younger players a chance to play on the senior team that's the only way they will improve is if they play against better players.
DJW has a hand in player selections!!! DL I'm sure given the chance to choose freely, wouldve given younger players a chance. Lawd I cant wait for DJW to be gone and we get a proper president who will show full support to the TTFA as a whole, THEN will you be proven wrong. Allyuh...remember this thread when things change.
Lord father put a hand on these people!!
Yea you in particular, you're blind.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Deeks on November 24, 2018, 08:19:08 AM
So, ffisback. Tell us what you will do right to change the situation. Keeping in mind that DJW is the president of ttfa and has the backings of some the zone and also has the fifa president on his side, for now. Why don’t you form a group to run for the elections. Ah mean seriously. You don’t have to run for the post. But get some people who you feel can do the job.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on November 25, 2018, 12:31:49 AM
all this talk of youth not getting a chance and Latapy just basically said that SSFL don't develop footballing intelligence in our youth........thing is our most notable young prospect not too long ago IMHO displayed this very said lack of football intelligence........I once hypothesized a while ago that Latapy's struggle as a coach has much to do with his seeming inability to "transfer that intelligence" as a coach......on his feet Latapy made the players around him somehow "magically" better will never forget dat 20mins against Paraguay in 06 where ah team was disjointed for 70min was suddenly playing all over Paraguay....man suddenly knowing where to be for the flick pass...dropping to pull players and create space...all while forming these fluid triangles....

I watch SSFL highlights every now and then and while you see nice individual football you don't see much good TEAM football.....all dat fluff jus to say that all these INDIVIDUALS ffsback going on about generally leave much to be desired when their INDIVIDUAL talents get nullified, and often very easily, by better "educated" players on better "educated" TEAMS.....d whole is always greater than d sum of d parts....something our football culture often ignores.....yuh ever notice dat we have ah chronic habit of defending with half ah team :-\ watch d last american goal, how long it take to score and how many attacking players reach back to support....................


I agree that the SSFL is not good enough anymore but my problem is with the fact that DL is not giving these younger players a chance to play on the senior team that's the only way they will improve is if they play against better players.
DJW has a hand in player selections!!! DL I'm sure given the chance to choose freely, wouldve given younger players a chance. Lawd I cant wait for DJW to be gone and we get a proper president who will show full support to the TTFA as a whole, THEN will you be proven wrong. Allyuh...remember this thread when things change.
Lord father put a hand on these people!!
Yea you in particular, you're blind.
You sure is not you that blind.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on November 25, 2018, 01:30:03 AM
So, ffisback. Tell us what you will do right to change the situation. Keeping in mind that DJW is the president of ttfa and has the backings of some the zone and also has the fifa president on his side, for now. Why don’t you form a group to run for the elections. Ah mean seriously. You don’t have to run for the post. But get some people who you feel can do the job.
The TTFF has been improperly run for over 50 years it could probably take several years to straighten out all there problems while I will love to go back home to help my team I have to weigh the pro's and con's I left Trinidad as a teenager I have know contacts with people who are inside the football fraternity I will be going up against the pre colonial system that the British establish and the post colonial system that E Williams and the PNM regime establish so they could stay in power just like how the people on this site want to cut throat if I go down there my life will be in danger.
The 1st thing I would do is if I was in charge would be to take J Warner to court to get the TTFF money it could take several years but its worth it the 2nd would be to look for a coach that will give TT a better chance of going to the WC and  Olympics and I will put in to host the Olympic qualifiers in 2020 that's the 1st things I would take care off.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Trini Madness on November 25, 2018, 06:36:09 AM
all this talk of youth not getting a chance and Latapy just basically said that SSFL don't develop footballing intelligence in our youth........thing is our most notable young prospect not too long ago IMHO displayed this very said lack of football intelligence........I once hypothesized a while ago that Latapy's struggle as a coach has much to do with his seeming inability to "transfer that intelligence" as a coach......on his feet Latapy made the players around him somehow "magically" better will never forget dat 20mins against Paraguay in 06 where ah team was disjointed for 70min was suddenly playing all over Paraguay....man suddenly knowing where to be for the flick pass...dropping to pull players and create space...all while forming these fluid triangles....

I watch SSFL highlights every now and then and while you see nice individual football you don't see much good TEAM football.....all dat fluff jus to say that all these INDIVIDUALS ffsback going on about generally leave much to be desired when their INDIVIDUAL talents get nullified, and often very easily, by better "educated" players on better "educated" TEAMS.....d whole is always greater than d sum of d parts....something our football culture often ignores.....yuh ever notice dat we have ah chronic habit of defending with half ah team :-\ watch d last american goal, how long it take to score and how many attacking players reach back to support....................


I agree that the SSFL is not good enough anymore but my problem is with the fact that DL is not giving these younger players a chance to play on the senior team that's the only way they will improve is if they play against better players.
DJW has a hand in player selections!!! DL I'm sure given the chance to choose freely, wouldve given younger players a chance. Lawd I cant wait for DJW to be gone and we get a proper president who will show full support to the TTFA as a whole, THEN will you be proven wrong. Allyuh...remember this thread when things change.
Lord father put a hand on these people!!
Yea you in particular, you're blind.
You sure is not you that blind.

LOL
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: maxg on November 25, 2018, 01:13:02 PM
So, ffisback. Tell us what you will do right to change the situation. Keeping in mind that DJW is the president of ttfa and has the backings of some the zone and also has the fifa president on his side, for now. Why don’t you form a group to run for the elections. Ah mean seriously. You don’t have to run for the post. But get some people who you feel can do the job.
The TTFF has been improperly run for over 50 years it could probably take several years to straighten out all there problems while I will love to go back home to help my team I have to weigh the pro's and con's I left Trinidad as a teenager I have know contacts with people who are inside the football fraternity I will be going up against the pre colonial system that the British establish and the post colonial system that E Williams and the PNM regime establish so they could stay in power just like how the people on this site want to cut throat if I go down there my life will be in danger.
The 1st thing I would do is if I was in charge would be to take J Warner to court to get the TTFF money it could take several years but its worth it the 2nd would be to look for a coach that will give TT a better chance of going to the WC and  Olympics and I will put in to host the Olympic qualifiers in 2020 that's the 1st things I would take care off.
so you won't be making us successful. and will only be then looking for a coach after you win elections, after several years of straightening out stuff, meanwhile your throwing money behind shysters to get money from ah slippery eel in a deep hole, who would probably have to pay ppl back before he pays TTFF, and nobody ketch dat jumbie yet.Thus so further depleting the few resources you have to do programs, games, pay staff an players for court expenses.
 Meanwhile you still looking for a coach or another coach, as you run out of money to hire or pay the 1st coach you was looking for, or don't have enough, as you have to pay the last set of coaches, staff and players owed, besides trying to complete "home of football" that was started by previous admin. Meanwhile, ppl suing your organization for stuff the previous organization didn't pay. So you end up hiring the cheapest coach you can get, someone who working for free as he trying to get his foot wet. Everybody cussing you, cause you hire this cheap coach and we can't win a game. Oh and it has been a few years now.
Finally, that coach start to win more than he lose, but turn round and lose to Grenada - a few of your players went Nottinghm boatride or in Toronto instead of flying in for pregame meeting, cause they didn't get paid and coach drop them - so you fire he, cause you fire other coaches for less. He demand payment of contract, although he was cheap, yuh owe him for a few years. Yuh call some padnas from socawarriors.net to work for expense only and bail yuh out. The Board want to know who is these ppl you pull in, ah bunch ah foreigners, now come trying to take over our game. Them charge and suing yuh ass too. Your padnas start demanding their expense, cause dem coming to help, but cyah do nothing..You quietly decline running in next elections, and move back out to foreign, cause yuh life in more danger now, than when yuh went.

 :D ;D :D
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: soccerman on November 25, 2018, 03:12:43 PM
^^^^^ :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Trini Madness on November 25, 2018, 04:15:38 PM
So, ffisback. Tell us what you will do right to change the situation. Keeping in mind that DJW is the president of ttfa and has the backings of some the zone and also has the fifa president on his side, for now. Why don’t you form a group to run for the elections. Ah mean seriously. You don’t have to run for the post. But get some people who you feel can do the job.
The TTFF has been improperly run for over 50 years it could probably take several years to straighten out all there problems while I will love to go back home to help my team I have to weigh the pro's and con's I left Trinidad as a teenager I have know contacts with people who are inside the football fraternity I will be going up against the pre colonial system that the British establish and the post colonial system that E Williams and the PNM regime establish so they could stay in power just like how the people on this site want to cut throat if I go down there my life will be in danger.
The 1st thing I would do is if I was in charge would be to take J Warner to court to get the TTFF money it could take several years but its worth it the 2nd would be to look for a coach that will give TT a better chance of going to the WC and  Olympics and I will put in to host the Olympic qualifiers in 2020 that's the 1st things I would take care off.
so you won't be making us successful. and will only be then looking for a coach after you win elections, after several years of straightening out stuff, meanwhile your throwing money behind shysters to get money from ah slippery eel in a deep hole, who would probably have to pay ppl back before he pays TTFF, and nobody ketch dat jumbie yet.Thus so further depleting the few resources you have to do programs, games, pay staff an players for court expenses.
 Meanwhile you still looking for a coach or another coach, as you run out of money to hire or pay the 1st coach you was looking for, or don't have enough, as you have to pay the last set of coaches, staff and players owed, besides trying to complete "home of football" that was started by previous admin. Meanwhile, ppl suing your organization for stuff the previous organization didn't pay. So you end up hiring the cheapest coach you can get, someone who working for free as he trying to get his foot wet. Everybody cussing you, cause you hire this cheap coach and we can't win a game. Oh and it has been a few years now.
Finally, that coach start to win more than he lose, but turn round and lose to Grenada - a few of your players went Nottinghm boatride or in Toronto instead of flying in for pregame meeting, cause they didn't get paid and coach drop them - so you fire he, cause you fire other coaches for less. He demand payment of contract, although he was cheap, yuh owe him for a few years. Yuh call some padnas from socawarriors.net to work for expense only and bail yuh out. The Board want to know who is these ppl you pull in, ah bunch ah foreigners, now come trying to take over our game. Them charge and suing yuh ass too. Your padnas start demanding their expense, cause dem coming to help, but cyah do nothing..You quietly decline running in next elections, and move back out to foreign, cause yuh life in more danger now, than when yuh went.

 :D ;D :D


Wheyyyy drop the mic on that one  :rotfl: :rotfl: :applause: :applause:
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: congo on November 27, 2018, 01:57:12 PM
The SSFL goal is not to develop players.

Can we all agree to stop placing this responsibility on the schools.

Developing players rest with the football clubs and TTFA.

Are High schools in the USA expected to "develop" players? Are schools in the Uk expected to develop players?

We keep doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

The SSFL  "product" isn't suppose to look "exemplary". These are just kids representing their schools. No different from children playing inter house sports in their schools.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on November 27, 2018, 02:59:51 PM
congo, if not "develop", how about "improve"?
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: congo on November 27, 2018, 03:42:04 PM
congo, if not "develop", how about "improve"?

Not even that.

Unless the "improvement" is for them to go to better Universities through scholarship etc.

Remember those games are nothing more than friendly rivalries and bragging rights.

Has nothing to do with developing so why should the schools carry this burden.

Pro League players not even suppose to be playing in SSFL cause that is a step backward and could hamper their development. These are two completely different paths a footballer must take.

Where in the world is a schools' league expected to develop and improve footballers?

We need to start removing SSFL from the football vocabulary. The problem is the pull that it still has that causes players to gravitate towards it for "glory".

Madness
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: kounty on November 27, 2018, 04:49:38 PM
^^^^^ :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
i agree!
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: maxg on November 27, 2018, 10:35:28 PM
A kid is in high school from 11 to 16, during that time he might (or may not) play with a club in the non-school season.
Pray tell, when will one expect him to develop and improve. Sure there is further and much more to be done after, provided he can afford to stick with football. Not many can afford such a privilege, even in TT where many Nationals feel , if one wants it, yuh just go and get it. However in the real world ..after high school, yuh better start getting yuh vehicle to yuh life in gear and stop playing period. If football is yuh vehicle, on average, yuh can’t be now learning and developing at 20.

Add: my point being, developing should occur during yuh school years, that’s what school supposed to be for,  anything else although fun and glorious,may not be correct. You try to keep learning all yuh life.
Just my opinion
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Deeks on November 27, 2018, 11:52:33 PM
congo, if not "develop", how about "improve"?

Not even that.

Unless the "improvement" is for them to go to better Universities through scholarship etc.

Remember those games are nothing more than friendly rivalries and bragging rights.

Has nothing to do with developing so why should the schools carry this burden.

Pro League players not even suppose to be playing in SSFL cause that is a step backward and could hamper their development. These are two completely different paths a footballer must take.

Where in the world is a schools' league expected to develop and improve footballers?

We need to start removing SSFL from the football vocabulary. The problem is the pull that it still has that causes players to gravitate towards it for "glory".

Madness



Why is everybody blaming the SSFL here. The schools job is to educate. During your  4 or 5 years in school you are supposed to get an allrounded education. Not books alone. It involve books, sports discipline or disciplines, other extra curricular activities that shape you into a young men or women. Football has always been popular from the days when was only QRC and Saints playing intercol. Remember these school use to play in the POS  league in the lower division. So these guys were playing among men and they developed fast. That is why in the past these college players could transition from high school to the POS and SFA leagues and the national team with very little problem.

Fast forward after 62 when they started the CFL and the brought all the schools, the standard did drop but not much. In addition the entertainment was superb. Intercol is the closest thing we could  compare with the English FA or league cup. School bands and rhythm section, printed jersys for the occasion. Banners and flags.  GIRLS, GIRLS, GIRLS!!!!! As someone who went thru that, I can't tell you that the pro league eh have the atmosphere like that. Have anyone of allyuh been to a pro-league game. The football might be good. The friggin atmosphere is dead.

Now some pro-league people complain that the schools spoiling their players. The schools educating them, not the clubs. If the clubs have a problem with that, then they should have academies with schools where they can educate their players. Just like Bradenton. Then the clubs will not have issues with intercol.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: congo on November 28, 2018, 08:59:47 PM
A kid is in high school from 11 to 16, during that time he might (or may not) play with a club in the non-school season.
Pray tell, when will one expect him to develop and improve. Sure there is further and much more to be done after, provided he can afford to stick with football. Not many can afford such a privilege, even in TT where many Nationals feel , if one wants it, yuh just go and get it. However in the real world ..after high school, yuh better start getting yuh vehicle to yuh life in gear and stop playing period. If football is yuh vehicle, on average, yuh can’t be now learning and developing at 20.

Add: my point being, developing should occur during yuh school years, that’s what school supposed to be for,  anything else although fun and glorious,may not be correct. You try to keep learning all yuh life.
Just my opinion

Yeah but the school can never create a professional player. Remember a professional player can start an EPL game at 16 years old. They already sign professional terms and earning an income from football. That is what our "kids" are up against. In TnT, they do fraud to allow players to neglect education just to play SSFL at the age of 18, 19 and possibly 20. A 20 year old european player is a professional player for atleast 3 years. By that time he would have played for possibly countless teams during his career. Our 20 years old not even sure of their scholarship offers.

SSFL is nothing more than glorified P.E. We shouldn't be looking towards it for anything more than entertainment purposes. That needs to be for the clubs and the clubs alone. Schools could never be academies. No where in the world is this done successfully so why should we try to redo the blue print.

The Pro clubs need to develop our youth players. These youth players need to be in a competitive environment for 9 months atleast out of the year. How is that feasible with the SSFL? It simply isn't. Why is it so hard to have a focused and dedicated youth league with a strong focus on development. Don't we have u15, 17 and u20 national teams to supply.

Schools must never be tasked with creating "Pro" players.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: congo on November 28, 2018, 09:14:05 PM
Deeks

School is for learning and individual development but no environment to create upcoming professional players.

Developing young professional players is a science and SSFL can't replicated that.

What we are seeing today is basically the result of forming our football foundation on the SSFL.

Development needs to a collective effort between TTFA and the youth clubs.

SSFL is nothing more than P.E and played for bragging rights.

No scout is going to rate a group of 16-19 year olds playing in a school league when that same age group in Europe etc are full scale professionals. They sign professional terms at 16? in Europe. These players have mortgages to pay and even children to mine. Is a different type of environment.

The Pro League can't complain about the SSFL and this just shows how out of touch we are with the way football works. If the Pro League clubs want they can offer preferential terms to their youth players for exclusively. But then again, if we had a serious youth programme with proper development then these same players wouldn't be able to play for their schools from Aug to Dec because they would be obligated to represented their clubs for months etc.

Players in Europe go to normal schools during the day and then to their football clubs on the afternoon. This is nothing new.

Sidenote....IF SSFL preseason starting in May/June and the season ends in December? Where exactly the pro league developing youth players? Who developing Youth players?
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: maxg on November 28, 2018, 11:42:40 PM
Deeks

School is for learning and individual development but no environment to create upcoming professional players.

Trinidad does not have the organization or resources to create upcoming professional players. We have a semi-professional league, regardless of how they call themselves. Thus I agree.

Developing young professional players is a science and SSFL can't replicated that.
They can develop players (not professional), if the focus and goals are mandated and changed. As long as the focus is on winning and glory, coaches will coach to win.

What we are seeing today is basically the result of forming our football foundation on the SSFL.

Development needs to a collective effort between TTFA and the youth clubs.
We can't depend on the TTFA for anything, and not many can go or have the discipline (include parents) to be in youth clubs. Try talking with the coaches of youth clubs, like Laventill youths and Patna village. I did.

SSFL is nothing more than P.E and played for bragging rights.

P.E. stands for physical EDUCATION, it's part of the curricullum.

No scout is going to rate a group of 16-19 year olds playing in a school league when that same age group in Europe etc are full scale professionals. They sign professional terms at 16? in Europe. These players have mortgages to pay and even children to mine. Is a different type of environment.
Agree, yet We cannot compare European professional leagues and their organization to ours. Mango and Apples.

The Pro League can't complain about the SSFL and this just shows how out of touch we are with the way football works. If the Pro League clubs want they can offer preferential terms to their youth players for exclusively. But then again, if we had a serious youth programme with proper development then these same players wouldn't be able to play for their schools from Aug to Dec because they would be obligated to represented their clubs for months etc.

Pro league clubs do not necessarily get the best potential players, they usually get the rest, however although they do work with what they have, the actual coaching and development in some cases are subpar. There are time, financial and long term commitment factors.

Players in Europe go to normal schools during the day and then to their football clubs on the afternoon. This is nothing new.

We do not have the infrastructure for that. In many cases we have a problem with normal schooling, farless sport-etude schooling.

Sidenote....IF SSFL preseason starting in May/June and the season ends in December? Where exactly the pro league developing youth players? Who developing Youth players?
That is the $200,000 US question, before we can make a decision. We need the successful, knowledgeable ex-players and coaches to give back. Yet I know ppl who tried and locals felt that those returnees(especially the foreign ones), come to take their power, prestige and job. So sour grapes before,during and after. Thus my point being, attitudes need to be modified, and this should be the education and development mandate of the TTFA. If they can get their house in order.  Your further thoughts would be appreciated.


add:
We need more of these, and follow up by local coaches. Thanks Mz Ahye

https://newsday.co.tt/2018/11/27/ahye-coaching-and-family-day-in-december/

Then there is this story

https://newsday.co.tt/2018/11/30/support-needed-for-at-risk-footballers/
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on December 02, 2018, 07:20:55 AM
The reality is the football game has been changed in the 80s the U S A and the central American leagues were all semi pro leagues in the 90s the U S A and Costa Rica  and now the rest of Central American leagues are now fully professional the pro league is just a bunch amateur players and coach's claiming to be professional and now they have been fully exposed TT just cannot compete anymore the TTFF needs a real leader somebody who is going to make some serious changes to TT football the SSFL cannot cut it anymore the pro league and the national team should be focusing on bringing the youths threw.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: maxg on December 02, 2018, 04:08:50 PM
The reality is the football game has been changed in the 80s the U S A and the central American leagues were all semi pro leagues in the 90s the U S A and Costa Rica  and now the rest of Central American leagues are now fully professional the pro league is just a bunch amateur players and coach's claiming to be professional and now they have been fully exposed TT just cannot compete anymore the TTFF needs a real leader somebody who is going to make some serious changes to TT football the SSFL cannot cut it anymore the pro league and the national team should be focusing on bringing the youths threw.
You must therefore agree this is not under the control of the National team coach, regardless of whoever they ARE.
The National team coach cannot, and should not bring the youths thru, if he have more skilled, more coachable, even if older guys , yet 30 % better. This is National team, not football camp. Sure you can have inviteees for training, but not until they are ready can they be invited, farless played.
BTW: we have many good players on scholarships in US, but not enuff scouts to take a look at all. We have many young foreign born citizens, shouldn't they get a sniff ? You already indicated that SSFL not up to par. So in the meanwhile what is any coach to do. He could only work with who he see, and he can't see many, we just can't afford it. And if those he see, not up to par internationally, by our (the fan) standards should he change them for those that not up to par locally. Just for a Change ?  As a great Calypsonian once sang "Yuh looking for Horn. Penty, Plenty Horn, boy"   ;D
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Controversial on December 04, 2018, 03:52:58 PM
DL headed to wrexham..

Pop ah bottle....
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Deeks on December 05, 2018, 08:05:11 AM
If DL goes who do you think will probably coach the team? Stuart Charles. Maybe Angus. Maybe Saintfait again ? Who you think has to approve. DJW.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: lefty on December 05, 2018, 12:50:31 PM
If DL goes who do you think will probably coach the team? Stuart Charles. Maybe Angus. Maybe Saintfait again ? Who you think has to approve. DJW.
Eve is d only local home based coach with d know how to get results in concacaf..... but not in DJW balls lickin circle so..................
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Tallman on December 05, 2018, 12:54:37 PM
If DL goes who do you think will probably coach the team? Stuart Charles. Maybe Angus. Maybe Saintfait again ? Who you think has to approve. DJW.
Eve is d only local home based coach with d know how to get results in concacaf..... but not in DJW balls lickin circle so..................

Yuh could draw one ah dat with ah compass?
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: lefty on December 05, 2018, 03:41:39 PM
If DL goes who do you think will probably coach the team? Stuart Charles. Maybe Angus. Maybe Saintfait again ? Who you think has to approve. DJW.
Eve is d only local home based coach with d know how to get results in concacaf..... but not in DJW balls lickin circle so..................

Yuh could draw one ah dat with ah compass?
explain ??? he was ah chief complainer about not getting NT coachin gigs not too long ago
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Tallman on December 05, 2018, 04:14:45 PM
If DL goes who do you think will probably coach the team? Stuart Charles. Maybe Angus. Maybe Saintfait again ? Who you think has to approve. DJW.
Eve is d only local home based coach with d know how to get results in concacaf..... but not in DJW balls lickin circle so..................

Yuh could draw one ah dat with ah compass?
explain ??? he was ah chief complainer about not getting NT coachin gigs not too long ago

Nah, I on kicks. Just de image of ah ball lickin circle crack meh up.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: lefty on December 05, 2018, 05:14:16 PM
If DL goes who do you think will probably coach the team? Stuart Charles. Maybe Angus. Maybe Saintfait again ? Who you think has to approve. DJW.
Eve is d only local home based coach with d know how to get results in concacaf..... but not in DJW balls lickin circle so..................

Yuh could draw one ah dat with ah compass?
explain ??? he was ah chief complainer about not getting NT coachin gigs not too long ago

Nah, I on kicks. Just de image of ah ball lickin circle crack meh up.

oh ok didn ketch dat ;D
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Deeks on December 05, 2018, 10:34:28 PM
DL headed to wrexham..

Pop ah bottle....

The guardian say he staying put. So hard luck dey Contro. Cork back your champaigne.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on December 05, 2018, 10:46:45 PM
DL headed to wrexham..

Pop ah bottle....

The guardian say he staying put. So hard luck dey Contro. Cork back your champaigne.

Where you see that?
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Deeks on December 06, 2018, 01:48:49 PM
DL headed to wrexham..

Pop ah bottle....

The guardian say he staying put. So hard luck dey Contro. Cork back your champaigne.

Where you see that?

I cyah bring up the guardian article. But the Express has it also.

https://www.trinidadexpress.com/sports/local/ttfa-holding-on-to-lawrence/article_dbdf47a4-f8f2-11e8-b2ca-d788c4017a76.html
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on December 09, 2018, 10:19:05 PM
The reality is the football game has been changed in the 80s the U S A and the central American leagues were all semi pro leagues in the 90s the U S A and Costa Rica  and now the rest of Central American leagues are now fully professional the pro league is just a bunch amateur players and coach's claiming to be professional and now they have been fully exposed TT just cannot compete anymore the TTFF needs a real leader somebody who is going to make some serious changes to TT football the SSFL cannot cut it anymore the pro league and the national team should be focusing on bringing the youths threw.
You must therefore agree this is not under the control of the National team coach, regardless of whoever they ARE.
The National team coach cannot, and should not bring the youths thru, if he have more skilled, more coachable, even if older guys , yet 30 % better. This is National team, not football camp. Sure you can have inviteees for training, but not until they are ready can they be invited, farless played.
BTW: we have many good players on scholarships in US, but not enuff scouts to take a look at all. We have many young foreign born citizens, shouldn't they get a sniff ? You already indicated that SSFL not up to par. So in the meanwhile what is any coach to do. He could only work with who he see, and he can't see many, we just can't afford it. And if those he see, not up to par internationally, by our (the fan) standards should he change them for those that not up to par locally. Just for a Change ?  As a great Calypsonian once sang "Yuh looking for Horn. Penty, Plenty Horn, boy"   ;D
You talking some real nonsense bro nobody does that anymore if those players who got scholarships in the U S A were that good professional clubs in the U S A would have sign them how many players that got scholarships in the U S A was signed by the MLS in the last decade or even the USL getting scholarships to schools in the USA does not prepare you for professional football that's just a higher level of amateur football and like I said before don't waste your time on a bunch of amateurs .
Getting players from the UK is okay because they are already professionals but players playing in the amateur league in the USA is a waste of time.
Here is a bit of reality for you this is why DL is failing with the players he is picking no club in the MLS is going to sign a player 25 years old and still playing in the pro league none of the top 25 leagues in Europe will sign a player 22 years old still playing in the pro league those players DL picking have limited potential those players will only get sign by teams in the USL or the lower level leagues in Asia what TT needs is somebody with vision that understands the world today not the same old amateur thinking that got TT no were somebody that knows a club in Europe will take a 19 year old player instead of a 23 year old player even if the 23 year old is just a little better now but the key is the future not the now.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on May 03, 2019, 06:57:54 PM
So what is DL record since he took the helm ?

How  about how many matches he won in last 10 matches?
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Tallman on May 03, 2019, 10:21:25 PM
So what is DL record since he took the helm ?

How  about how many matches he won in last 10 matches?

21 played, 5 wins, 4 draws, and 12 losses
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Deeks on May 03, 2019, 10:33:44 PM
So what is DL record since he took the helm ?

How  about how many matches he won in last 10 matches?

21 played, 5 wins, 4 draws, and 12 losses

Yes, DL has a terrible record as seen above. But honestly, can you really passed judgement on the coach when we have an absolute mad house running our football. No developmental programs, no money. No money, no developmental programs. No friendlies o keep our team active.  And now we have the Venezuela situation.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: rotatopoti3 on May 04, 2019, 03:07:20 AM
well when d HART of the team was given marching orders...wha yuh expect....

Well he creating ah new soul for Trini players abroad....

https://hfxwanderersfc.canpl.ca/roster

http://www.guardian.co.tt/sports/hart-my-job-was-incomplete-6.2.360920.dd48e3fe11
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on June 18, 2019, 07:52:39 PM
That football was just disgraceful they better stop wasteing time with this guy.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Cocorite on June 18, 2019, 07:54:22 PM
Shameful!!!!
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: pull stones on June 18, 2019, 08:24:19 PM
That football was just disgraceful they better stop wasteing time with this guy.
ok fine, who are they going to get and who’s going to pay them? I hope you’re aware that the federation is broke and the government even more broke.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on June 18, 2019, 09:32:48 PM
If we keep him we are screwed if we fire him we are screwed it dose not matter we going to get screwed any way we might as well fire him and move on just don't hire another overrated Trinidadian to coach the team.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: pull stones on June 18, 2019, 09:57:41 PM
Shameful!!!!
it really was. no food for these bastards for a week, that aught to sort them out. ;D
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 19, 2019, 12:35:38 AM
'I see myself more at a national team than a club' - Mourinho reveals future plans
Goal.com.


Jose Mourinho has dropped hints to his future plans, revealing that he sees himself becoming the manager of a national team rather than another club.

The former Manchester United boss has been out of coaching work since being sacked by the Red Devils in December 2018 and has recently appeared as a pundit for broadcaster beIN SPORTS.

In an interview broadcast by Eleven Sports however, the 56-year-old revealed he still has the desire to take on new challenges in the world of management.

“I want to compete in new competitions,” he said.

“I think about the World Cup and the European Championships.

“For a long time I have had the desire to try out such an adventure. Right now, I see myself more at a national team than with a new club.

“Is Portugal the right team for me? Not necessarily.”

The self-proclaimed ‘special one’ has enjoyed a glittering career in club management since lifting his first league title with Porto in 2003 – a year before the Primeira Liga side won the UEFA Champions League.

Mourinho would go on to lift the Champions League once more with Inter in 2010, but not before winning consecutive Premier League titles with Chelsea in 2005 and 2006, as well as four domestic trophies.

He added his fourth league title in as many countries with Real Madrid in 2012, and although his spell at Manchester United may not have gone as planned, there is no question that there is little left for him to achieve in club management.

The 56-year-old did not rule out a return to club football when speaking earlier in June however, telling Eleven Sports: “Winning a fifth championship in a different country or the Champions League with a third club are things I'd like to do.

“I wouldn't do it just for that. I only go where a project convinces me.
"I want to be happy, not necessarily win, I want to be happy and I don't want to accept a proposal without being convinced of it, that's what I've always thought.

“That's why if [a club] told me 'today there are no conditions to win, but we want you to create the conditions to win', then I would evaluate it.”

Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Controversial on June 19, 2019, 01:23:53 AM
Firstly, both jones and greg should start

Secondly, lawrence isnt coaching to the best of his ability, hes sabotaging the team, you cant have that type of exposure and experience and make such terrible decisions.

Thirdly, even if for some remote reason its not sabotage, then hes not the coach that can bring out any attacking flair like Hart did... we won games and played dangerous football from even being behind in games with Harts ability to play attacking football...

Get rid of the cancer, thats what has kept us down for decades, corrupt people being allowed to rule and sabotage our football...
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Tiresais on June 19, 2019, 01:26:24 AM
Dennis at least has an interest in local football and is a son of the soil. We're broke thanks to disgusting mismanagement by DJW and if we changed now that absolute self-serving cretin would pick the replacement.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Controversial on June 19, 2019, 01:33:45 AM
Dennis at least has an interest in local football and is a son of the soil. We're broke thanks to disgusting mismanagement by DJW and if we changed now that absolute self-serving cretin would pick the replacement.

You think this is solely bad management? Its bad or deliberate coaching... hart is also a son of the soil, ive seen plenty sons of the soil sell out our nation when coming to football over the last 2 decades and more..

Hes so interested in local football but neither can cummings, telfer or many others capable, make the team?

Facades are a part of the culture, hes putting on a show but he cant hide from the results on the field
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: pull stones on June 20, 2019, 03:00:10 AM
Dennis at least has an interest in local football and is a son of the soil. We're broke thanks to disgusting mismanagement by DJW and if we changed now that absolute self-serving cretin would pick the replacement.
please mate don’t get started with this mad man and have him go off on the Steven hart man worship tirade again because I simply cannot stand to read another bloody line about how great hart was and how lawrence is being paid to sabotage the team and by extension the federation through his alliance and collusion with David j williams. my nerves just can’t stand that mad bumbling rubbish again.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: SWO_TNTFAN on June 20, 2019, 10:14:35 AM
I will sign this petition. Dennis is a national hero but his work as a coach, as a tactician is sorely lacking. Pack bags, thanks for the service(s).
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: maxg on June 20, 2019, 10:47:07 PM
I will sign this petition. Dennis is a national hero but his work as a coach, as a tactician is sorely lacking. Pack bags, thanks for the service(s).
Obviously you have somebody in mind and knowledge of funds to pay them. Right now, we owing everybody. Coaches from years ago still waiting for funds. Anyways,  Call yuh replacement coach name who will jump in now for now nah  :waiting: :waiting:
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Trini _2022 on June 21, 2019, 11:32:00 AM
I will sign this petition. Dennis is a national hero but his work as a coach, as a tactician is sorely lacking. Pack bags, thanks for the service(s).
Obviously you have somebody in mind and knowledge of funds to pay them. Right now, we owing everybody. Coaches from years ago still waiting for funds. Anyways,  Call yuh replacement coach name who will jump in now for now nah  :waiting: :waiting:

yup we dont even know the terms of his contract
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Tiresais on June 22, 2019, 02:22:07 AM
Dennis at least has an interest in local football and is a son of the soil. We're broke thanks to disgusting mismanagement by DJW and if we changed now that absolute self-serving cretin would pick the replacement.

You think this is solely bad management? Its bad or deliberate coaching... hart is also a son of the soil, ive seen plenty sons of the soil sell out our nation when coming to football over the last 2 decades and more..

Hes so interested in local football but neither can cummings, telfer or many others capable, make the team?

Facades are a part of the culture, hes putting on a show but he cant hide from the results on the field

I mean this is a guy who was sat watching the cup final of the NSL, so yea I'd say he has an interest in local football, 'cause unless you got family on the pitch you ain't there for top quality footy. For whatever reason he didn't' share your faith in those lads.


Check my post history - I was devastated that Hart was driven out, but my questions still stands - you want the guy who hired that Belgian charlatan to have another pop at a new NT manager, with no funds? Mark my words it'll be who ever W Connection has milling around willing to work for peanuts.

I honestly think you're optimistic about the quality we have now - we definitely have potential but with corruptor-in-chief in charge cancelling youth football whilst building his vanity project, what do you expect?
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on June 22, 2019, 07:34:28 PM

I am still trying very hard to understand what is DL plan for this team for the Gold Cup. Because the team is clueless and seem to have no plan when going forward to create goal scoring opportunities. I still do not understand what is Denis doing with this team
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Cocorite on June 22, 2019, 07:53:10 PM
If he cares about T&T football, he should QUIT!!! :'(
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: trini_stallion on June 22, 2019, 08:18:46 PM
If he cares about T&T football, he should QUIT!!! :'(

I agree...if he’s honest with himself...he should recognize he isn’t ready yet...what a shame...anybody know when is the next TTFA President election? DJW needs to go...can that fool be impeached some how...this is so depressing. We’re not competitive in any way...such a talented group of players that can’t even string a few passses together, play ball in the opposition half, not to mention get some clean shots at goal....terrible state of our football
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Savannah boy on June 22, 2019, 08:31:42 PM
I expected licks as they wanted revenge but not this. If we cyah handle Guyana, all of dem should pay for their own tickets home.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on June 22, 2019, 08:46:14 PM
A resignation is absolutely in order and no member of the current coaching staff should be substituted or submitted in an interim capacity.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Savannah boy on June 22, 2019, 09:03:10 PM
A resignation is absolutely in order and no member of the current coaching staff should be substituted or submitted in an interim capacity.
I agree. Remember Jackula used to say To Whom Much Is Given...well de youth and women's teams got stuffed while DL Team had all these foreign games to prepare them for this rubbish display in the GC. Tragic.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Controversial on June 22, 2019, 09:49:39 PM
A resignation is absolutely in order and no member of the current coaching staff should be substituted or submitted in an interim capacity.
I agree. Remember Jackula used to say To Whom Much Is Given...well de youth and women's teams got stuffed while DL Team had all these foreign games to prepare them for this rubbish display in the GC. Tragic.

Deliberate, you don't go from being on the coaching staff for a team like Belgium to regressing this bad...

Tallest was hired to sabotage the team and its rise by Hart created issues for the bigger teams...

He's also paid by fifa... as stipulated when he was hired

Hart was too good and too progressive and posed a threat to the big 3, so they got the dictator in and a yes man coach to ensure TT doesn't upset the current equation

Everything I predicted years ago has now come to pass, when most of the fools who pretend to know football on the board lambasted what I was saying..

This is no conspiracy, the dictator is a puppet, executing orders.... it has nothing to do with lack of talent or other teams being more talented that's BS

Panama and US are very ordinary ... nothing special about either team ... both are very beatable
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: SUPA on June 23, 2019, 03:14:33 AM
Greetings to one and all. Even to the ones that don't like Supa & De Enterprise. We ain't gone no way, still here holding a small vibes, we just don't be in the mood to post. We does check in like a guest, browse around and then keep it moving. But I had to come on here this time massive, what the forrk was that last night (6-0). We still at the stage being beaten by teams that amount of goals. I feel so embarrassed sitting with my Jamaican brothers here and to see my country get embarrassed like that. Huh. HIGHLY BLESSED.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: pull stones on June 23, 2019, 12:11:59 PM
He’s not going anywhere sad to say. only trinidadian coaches could lose by such a margin and shameless enough to remain in the job. just out of principle most coaches would resign, but not this bloke.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: congo on June 23, 2019, 06:42:31 PM
Trinidad not no footballing nation so 6-0 is not a surprise.

Those players are not "ballers". They still don't know how to control and impose themselves on a game at this level.

Trinidad's problem is not Dennis Lawrence. The problem is that the country has no sort of development to create proper ballers.

We continue to look like a bunch of headless chickens just running around out there.

Some of us are fooling ourselves if we think that we are going anywhere in this game. Concacaf is considered the weakest footballing region in the world(?).

We continue to struggle against the likes of USA when USA is not considered a footballing powerhouse by anyone.

Our football needs a complete overhaul and a 10-20 year plan.

No coach could convert this bunch of players into world class athletes. They simply are not good enough.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: pull stones on June 23, 2019, 07:03:43 PM
Trinidad not no footballing nation so 6-0 is not a surprise.

Those players are not "ballers". They still don't know how to control and impose themselves on a game at this level.

Trinidad's problem is not Dennis Lawrence. The problem is that the country has no sort of development to create proper ballers.

We continue to look like a bunch of headless chickens just running around out there.

Some of us are fooling ourselves if we think that we are going anywhere in this game. Concacaf is considered the weakest footballing region in the world(?).

We continue to struggle against the likes of USA when USA is not considered a footballing powerhouse by anyone.

Our football needs a complete overhaul and a 10-20 year plan.

No coach could convert this bunch of players into world class athletes. They simply are not good enough.
and there in lies the problem. well said mate take a bow :applause:
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on June 23, 2019, 07:08:10 PM
The challenge was NOT to convert them into world class athletes. Congo, you know better than that. That was NOT the mission.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Controversial on June 23, 2019, 07:11:42 PM
Trinidad not no footballing nation so 6-0 is not a surprise.

Those players are not "ballers". They still don't know how to control and impose themselves on a game at this level.

Trinidad's problem is not Dennis Lawrence. The problem is that the country has no sort of development to create proper ballers.

We continue to look like a bunch of headless chickens just running around out there.

Some of us are fooling ourselves if we think that we are going anywhere in this game. Concacaf is considered the weakest footballing region in the world(?).

We continue to struggle against the likes of USA when USA is not considered a footballing powerhouse by anyone.

Our football needs a complete overhaul and a 10-20 year plan.

No coach could convert this bunch of players into world class athletes. They simply are not good enough.

That’s your excuse for these results?

All of a sudden we are not a footballing nation?

Look at Hart’s team and their first half performance against with the US draw.. compared to this nonsense

Trinidad always had and will always have footballing talent, we just have a corrupt admin that sells us out

And they get rid of our best players and coaches, so bigger nations look good and continue to dominate

If you can’t see the high level manipulation going on then there’s no point even talking, try opening your mind and thinking out of the box for once
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Cocorite on June 23, 2019, 07:30:54 PM
There is a petition started over on Wired868 calling for DJW to step down. I urge you to sign it
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on June 23, 2019, 08:29:15 PM
Trinidad not no footballing nation so 6-0 is not a surprise.

Those players are not "ballers". They still don't know how to control and impose themselves on a game at this level.

Trinidad's problem is not Dennis Lawrence. The problem is that the country has no sort of development to create proper ballers.

We continue to look like a bunch of headless chickens just running around out there.

Some of us are fooling ourselves if we think that we are going anywhere in this game. Concacaf is considered the weakest footballing region in the world(?).

We continue to struggle against the likes of USA when USA is not considered a footballing powerhouse by anyone.

Our football needs a complete overhaul and a 10-20 year plan.

No coach could convert this bunch of players into world class athletes. They simply are not good enough.

There is a big hole in your argument. T&T football teams have played much better than we have seen in the last year under Lawrence. Yes everyone knows we never was a country with world class players filling our roster, and yes we never was a country with a super deep talent pool, HOWEVER we still played much better than the shit we playing now. Who told you the coach is expected to transform players into world class players? we are asking for the players to play as a team with cohesion to get the best results, as we have seen them and previous T&T teams done in the past.

You are saying this is impossible based on us not having world class players and this does not make sense. Look at most of the teams in the Gold Cup who are playing much better and they do not have a roster fill with world class players
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Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: congo on June 23, 2019, 09:12:55 PM
But the quality is simply not there. Where is the quality coming from? I'm not a fan of DL but Pep can't do anything with this bunch neither. The quality is simply not there.

These are players who apart from the odd few don't know where they would be plying their trade 6 months from now. Would any of these players if they were the age even be looked at by D1 schools as possible MLS draft prospects in the future?

 Who on that team is a stand out talent? Jamaica has Leon Bailey. Who do we have?

In the past we have fielded players who were not even attached to a club with their only match fitness coming via the national team.

How is that even possible in this day and age. Those players wearing the red/white/black still looking like they playing SSFL.

These are not world class players and they are not even interested in being world class players.

6 from the USA is expected. We have to bring our focus closer to home and focus on development. We are developing nothing that the world wants. Our last highest rank footballer was Kenwyne Jones at stoke City back in 2015. Jones was created around 2001-2002. You mean to tell me that within that time we haven't created anyone capable of playing in atleast the championship in England.

You gonna see this same bunch of players in a boat ride next week. Mark my words. These are not ballers. More like journeymen trying to make a living.

We haven't created ballers since the days of latapy and Yorke. We have to be realistic now.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: pull stones on June 23, 2019, 09:46:13 PM
But the quality is simply not there. Where is the quality coming from? I'm not a fan of DL but Pep can't do anything with this bunch neither. The quality is simply not there.

These are players who apart from the odd few don't know where they would be plying their trade 6 months from now. Would any of these players if they were the age even be looked at by D1 schools as possible MLS draft prospects in the future?

 Who on that team is a stand out talent? Jamaica has Leon Bailey. Who do we have?

In the past we have fielded players who were not even attached to a club with their only match fitness coming via the national team.

How is that even possible in this day and age. Those players wearing the red/white/black still looking like they playing SSFL.

These are not world class players and they are not even interested in being world class players.

6 from the USA is expected. We have to bring our focus closer to home and focus on development. We are developing nothing that the world wants. Our last highest rank footballer was Kenwyne Jones at stoke City back in 2015. Jones was created around 2001-2002. You mean to tell me that within that time we haven't created anyone capable of playing in atleast the championship in England.

You gonna see this same bunch of players in a boat ride next week. Mark my words. These are not ballers. More like journeymen trying to make a living.

We haven't created ballers since the days of latapy and Yorke. We have to be realistic now.
couldn’t have made it any clearer mate spot on, and there in lies the problem that certain members are not getting. there were only two players who stood out for me last night, hackshaw who was playing out of position and molino. I felt so bad for hackshaw because he played his heart out and he had poise and skill, I also had the same sentiments for molino because he always comes to play and compete but his team mates were simply lost.

garcia could barely trap a ball and make a sensible pass cato was giving away the ball in crucial areas of the pitch and the whole defense with the exception of hackshaw looked lost. Nathan Lewis could hardly lose his marker to free up space and once again Alvin Jones was continually caught out of position primarily in transition where we conceded the most goals and these are very basic amateurish errors or should I say bad habits that is passed on from a very poor low level league.

I have to agree with you our football has fallen to a very poor standard as with everything else in our country and the lads really can’t be bothered, it doesn’t phase them none at all, and the truest of all statements “they’re not even interested in being world class players” that’s the part that stood out for me, just look at last night how they were cussing each other when the flood gates opened, just shameful.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: congo on June 23, 2019, 11:31:07 PM
Too much misplaced sentiment.

We got 6 from the "greatest" most powerful nation on the planet. Just the economic gap between both teams could explain that 6. Christian pulisic salary could probably pay off all of the TTFA debt.

When those US players get back stateside, they have access to nutritionists and fitness professionals to keep them in prime shape during the off season. Our tt boys have to hustle a pie and sweet drink when morning come.

What does that has to do with DL? Until we get serious about all aspects of developing football in trinidad and the CFU then we will continue to be a laughing stock. Iceland laid down the blueprint for how small nations could develop proper football structure.

Sidenote. Does anyone on that TT team has a footballing brain? Our football continues to look devoid of any purpose. It literally looks like none of them want to hold onto the ball for any length of time because they don't know what to do with it.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Controversial on June 24, 2019, 12:45:42 AM
But the quality is simply not there. Where is the quality coming from? I'm not a fan of DL but Pep can't do anything with this bunch neither. The quality is simply not there.

These are players who apart from the odd few don't know where they would be plying their trade 6 months from now. Would any of these players if they were the age even be looked at by D1 schools as possible MLS draft prospects in the future?

 Who on that team is a stand out talent? Jamaica has Leon Bailey. Who do we have?

In the past we have fielded players who were not even attached to a club with their only match fitness coming via the national team.

How is that even possible in this day and age. Those players wearing the red/white/black still looking like they playing SSFL.

These are not world class players and they are not even interested in being world class players.

6 from the USA is expected. We have to bring our focus closer to home and focus on development. We are developing nothing that the world wants. Our last highest rank footballer was Kenwyne Jones at stoke City back in 2015. Jones was created around 2001-2002. You mean to tell me that within that time we haven't created anyone capable of playing in atleast the championship in England.

You gonna see this same bunch of players in a boat ride next week. Mark my words. These are not ballers. More like journeymen trying to make a living.

We haven't created ballers since the days of latapy and Yorke. We have to be realistic now.

I saw the quality under Hart, we also saw what they called the most exciting match in recent times in the gold cup, we were on par with Mexico and better than the us and other teams... but of course people only see the negative
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on June 24, 2019, 05:55:05 AM
This has to be TT biggest defeat in a long time I remember TT getting 7 in Mexico city in 2000 but that was TT B team this is more like our A team there is no way DL should be allowed to coach this team after this.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Trini _2022 on June 24, 2019, 07:36:58 AM
There is a petition started over on Wired868 calling for DJW to step down. I urge you to sign it

where is that give me the link
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: congo on June 24, 2019, 09:52:43 AM
This has to be TT biggest defeat in a long time I remember TT getting 7 in Mexico city in 2000 but that was TT B team this is more like our A team there is no way DL should be allowed to coach this team after this.

Yeah but that "B" team probably had more quality than this "A" team. We've gone from having our best players plying their trade in the EPL and champion to having our best players in the MLS. That is the reality of things.

Molino and Jones are 29 and 28 this year respectfully. They are arguably our best players but they will never play in a top european league ever. Their time for that has passed. No club is going to take a risk and sign a 28-29 mls player because Europe already have a lowly view of the MLS and its quality. They rather sign the teenagers and develop them. After MLS then what other options they have? USL?

We need to figure out our pipeline for our players' development. We still operating on guesswork. You all think that staticians sat down in a room with DL and decided the best 24 based on scientific reasoning? That is the reality of sports today. I'm sure USA did it.

Our football needs a complete overhaul. Firing DL at this point shouldn't even be the priority. Next is WC qualifiers. Where the players coming from for that? The only way that a coach can make an impact on TT football is if the team made up of foreign born players such as Bostock, de leon etc. In fact that is our only hope now. That should supply the national team for a couple of years whilst we get development in order.

Remember America did the exact same for a couple of years and they were competitive. MLS is dog sh*t. Let's be real.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on June 24, 2019, 10:58:39 AM
This has to be TT biggest defeat in a long time I remember TT getting 7 in Mexico city in 2000 but that was TT B team this is more like our A team there is no way DL should be allowed to coach this team after this.

Yeah but that "B" team probably had more quality than this "A" team. We've gone from having our best players plying their trade in the EPL and champion to having our best players in the MLS. That is the reality of things.

Molino and Jones are 29 and 28 this year respectfully. They are arguably our best players but they will never play in a top european league ever. Their time for that has passed. No club is going to take a risk and sign a 28-29 mls player because Europe already have a lowly view of the MLS and its quality. They rather sign the teenagers and develop them. After MLS then what other options they have? USL?

We need to figure out our pipeline for our players' development. We still operating on guesswork. You all think that staticians sat down in a room with DL and decided the best 24 based on scientific reasoning? That is the reality of sports today. I'm sure USA did it.

Our football needs a complete overhaul. Firing DL at this point shouldn't even be the priority. Next is WC qualifiers. Where the players coming from for that? The only way that a coach can make an impact on TT football is if the team made up of foreign born players such as Bostock, de leon etc. In fact that is our only hope now. That should supply the national team for a couple of years whilst we get development in order.

Remember America did the exact same for a couple of years and they were competitive. MLS is dog sh*t. Let's be real.
While you make some good points you are confusing the administrative role and the coaching role there are not the same the administrative role is to make sure the house is in order filling staff positions hiring coach's organizing friendly's etc the coach's job is to build a team make tactical decisions build the best system for his team and that's were DL has failed DJW is not the 1 who have KM & JJ on the bench to play Panama and the U S A that's DL decision DJW is not the 1 who have TT playing that defensive football against Panama and the U S A that's DL decision he's a looser it makes no sense staying with a looser because he will always be a looser.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on June 24, 2019, 11:02:27 AM
@congo

You stated:

Quote
"Firing DL at this point shouldn't even be the priority."

Statement 1:
It isn't sufficient, but it's necessary.

or

Statement 2:
It's neither sufficient nor necessary.

Which of the statements do you agree with?
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: E-man on June 24, 2019, 12:03:46 PM
There is a petition started over on Wired868 calling for DJW to step down. I urge you to sign it

where is that give me the link

This is the petition
https://www.change.org/p/ttfa-board-of-directors-david-john-williams-must-step-down-as-the-ttfa-president

This is Wired868 article about it
https://wired868.com/2019/06/23/board-members-want-urgent-meeting-after-usa-humiliation-over-500-fans-call-for-djw-to-resign/
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Controversial on June 24, 2019, 12:27:18 PM
I will sign this petition. Dennis is a national hero but his work as a coach, as a tactician is sorely lacking. Pack bags, thanks for the service(s).
Obviously you have somebody in mind and knowledge of funds to pay them. Right now, we owing everybody. Coaches from years ago still waiting for funds. Anyways,  Call yuh replacement coach name who will jump in now for now nah  :waiting: :waiting:

yup we dont even know the terms of his contract

Fifa is paying Lawrence through an allocation as pointed out at the beginning of his tenure, why is max g continuing to say he is not getting paid.  ::) ???
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: congo on June 24, 2019, 12:49:18 PM
@congo

You stated:

Quote
"Firing DL at this point shouldn't even be the priority."

Statement 1:
It isn't sufficient, but it's necessary.

or

Statement 2:
It's neither sufficient nor necessary.

Which of the statements do you agree with?

Yes but shouldn't any firing be part of a wider restructuring including appointing a qualified and experienced coach as well as aggressively recruiting foreign born players to fill developmental gaps.

That way the administration could focus on correcting our developmental issues. This is a long term plan.

DL has plenty time between now and WC qualifiers to be released. After the GC what next does the senior team has to look forward too realistically?
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: maxg on June 24, 2019, 01:03:30 PM
I will sign this petition. Dennis is a national hero but his work as a coach, as a tactician is sorely lacking. Pack bags, thanks for the service(s).
Obviously you have somebody in mind and knowledge of funds to pay them. Right now, we owing everybody. Coaches from years ago still waiting for funds. Anyways,  Call yuh replacement coach name who will jump in now for now nah  :waiting: :waiting:

yup we dont even know the terms of his contract

Fifa is paying Lawrence through an allocation as pointed out at the beginning of his tenure, why is max g continuing to say he is not getting paid.  ::) ???
never said anything of the sort, however, let’s be honest, whatever he’s being paid by a fundless federation or fifa subvention. Would it be enough to hire a capable replacement in your view? Who is your suggestion for replacement if you had your way ? Don’t think your Midas man leaving Halifax for that stress again. So given our current situation and issues, suggest a coach with whom  you will be satisfied and willing to accept the same payment as Lawrence. Let this board approve and then maybe Lasana can inform the TTFA board, so we all can stop bitching , wasting down our representatives, and win everybody in our region, as everybody quite convinced that is the solution. Instead of waiting to see on the field there is no f-ing plan.
What plan ppl looking for I have no idea, but I don’t know football. I know you prepare, train, pick your best and hope your players can excute a balanced possession, passes, shots and saves. The only real planning should be done in the board rooms by the federation and we all see in the dailies, there can’t even be a organized meeting far less s current or future planning.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on June 24, 2019, 01:14:49 PM
@congo

You stated:

Quote
"Firing DL at this point shouldn't even be the priority."

Statement 1:
It isn't sufficient, but it's necessary.

or

Statement 2:
It's neither sufficient nor necessary.

Which of the statements do you agree with?

Yes but shouldn't any firing be part of a wider restructuring including appointing a qualified and experienced coach as well as aggressively recruiting foreign born players to fill developmental gaps.

That way the administration could focus on correcting our developmental issues. This is a long term plan.

DL has plenty time between now and WC qualifiers to be released. After the GC what next does the senior team has to look forward too realistically?

He shouldn't be fired. He should resign. Point blank, the letter should be written already.

All those other processes are independent of the resignation.

It isn't sufficient that he resigns, but it is necessary.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Controversial on June 24, 2019, 02:15:57 PM
I will sign this petition. Dennis is a national hero but his work as a coach, as a tactician is sorely lacking. Pack bags, thanks for the service(s).
Obviously you have somebody in mind and knowledge of funds to pay them. Right now, we owing everybody. Coaches from years ago still waiting for funds. Anyways,  Call yuh replacement coach name who will jump in now for now nah  :waiting: :waiting:

yup we dont even know the terms of his contract

Fifa is paying Lawrence through an allocation as pointed out at the beginning of his tenure, why is max g continuing to say he is not getting paid.  ::) ???
never said anything of the sort, however, let’s be honest, whatever he’s being paid by a fundless federation or fifa subvention. Would it be enough to hire a capable replacement in your view? Who is your suggestion for replacement if you had your way ? Don’t think your Midas man leaving Halifax for that stress again. So given our current situation and issues, suggest a coach with whom  you will be satisfied and willing to accept the same payment as Lawrence. Let this board approve and then maybe Lasana can inform the TTFA board, so we all can stop bitching , wasting down our representatives, and win everybody in our region, as everybody quite convinced that is the solution. Instead of waiting to see on the field there is no f-ing plan.
What plan ppl looking for I have no idea, but I don’t know football. I know you prepare, train, pick your best and hope your players can excute a balanced possession, passes, shots and saves. The only real planning should be done in the board rooms by the federation and we all see in the dailies, there can’t even be a organized meeting far less s current or future planning.

He said getting paid as well as Hart was suppose to, or even more, don’t know if the subvention hasn’t increased or changed..

The dictator refuses to release info... but he’s being paid well and doing way less than Hart aka Midas man

Yes it would be enough, we had 5 coaches much more capable than Lawrence submit, so if they submitted based on that subvention then of course we can afford it...

First things first, get rid of the dictator, why hire a new coach with him still there? That makes no sense, if he’s gone, Hart will come back, he has unfinished business...
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: frico on June 24, 2019, 02:59:54 PM
Most people would have handed in resignations left right and centre,this lot have no shame,no dignity and shows no remorse.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: maxg on June 24, 2019, 06:37:05 PM
TT goalie, coach disappointed by humiliating loss

by Joel Bailey
Trinidad Newsday


TT GOALKEEPER Marvin Phillip and coach Dennis Lawrence both expressed disappointment after the team’s 6-0 humiliation by the United States in their Concacaf Gold Cup Group D fixture on Saturday evening.

According to Phillip, “It’s absolutely embarrassing for us. We knew what was at stake, but we just didn’t show up.”

TT were beaten by Panama 2-0 in their opening game last Tuesday, and needed to avoid defeat against the reigning champs US to stay alive in the competition.

The 34-year-old goalie noted, “We had a reasonable first half but there was a period in the second half, about 25 minutes, when we just lost structure (and) shape. When you meet teams like the US, they would take advantage of those situations.”

TT will end their Gold Cup campaign on Wednesday against Guyana and Phillip said, “We need to do a rain-check on ourselves and try to play for some pride.”

Lawrence suffered his 15th defeat as TT coach since taking over from Belgian Tom Saintfiet in January 2017.

During the post-match media conference, he said, “We have to change (our) mentality. We have to learn to stand up and fight.”

He added, “We lost concentration, we started to go gung-ho to see if we can get back in the game. That’s not the way we do things. You have to stay organised.”

Experienced midfielder Kevin Molino and Joevin Jones started the game on the bench, and Lawrence explained, “Molino just came off a (knee) injury. I have to protect the players and ensure that I don’t push them at the wrong time.”

Referring to the forthcoming Guyana match, Lawrence pointed out, “There will definitely be changes. We need to put this behind our backs as quickly as possible.”

A pair of ex-national players were both scathing in their views, on Facebook, of Saturday’s result.

Former TT women team’s skipper Maylee Attin-Johnson wrote, “They love to say ‘I want to give back to my country’. Their supporters love to say ‘he/she patriotic’. I would say, these people love to use patriotism conveniently. Let’s see how patriotic the coach is. I hope he does the honourable thing and resign.”

Attin-Johnson added, “To the players, you must take blame as well. There is so much a coach can do. Fitness is something that you as a player can control and as a professional coming to a national team a coach shouldn’t have to focus on getting you fit. Effort is something a coach cannot teach you, that’s a personal choice.

“I do not care if you have beef with a coach, a player or a federation. Once you decide to don the red, black and white, and walk out on that field, nothing else should matter but playing with maximum effort and pride.”

Lawrence’s former TT teammate, goalkeeper Kelvin Jack wrote, “I can talk about the schoolboy errors made by the players and their shocking naivety. I can talk about tactics or lack of tactical awareness. I can talk about our lack of technical ability. I do have a slight bit of sympathy for Lawrence but ultimately he must shoulder responsibility for on-field matters; only to a point though.. his record is abysmal however he lacks many tools.

“David John-Williams is the president of the TTFA (TT Football Association) and it is truly astonishing how his ineptitude and depressing lack of vision has not caused TT football fans to launch a mass protest demanding his resignation.”

Lawrence, the former TT central defender, has a record of five victories, five drawn results and 15 losses during his time at the helm.
Look Loy said, “In terms of the immediate situation, I cannot understand how Lawrence could pick a 23-man squad, included one forward (Shahdon Winchester) who hasn’t seen the field yet, rely on midfielders to score and your two leading goalscoring midfielders (Molino and Joevin Jones) are on the bench. We are the only team in the tournament not to have scored a goal at this point.

We concede goals exactly the same way. Our biggest weakness is marking in the (penalty) box.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on June 24, 2019, 10:17:34 PM
If DL resign he will gain a lot respect me and many others.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: pull stones on June 25, 2019, 12:48:01 AM
Marvin you have some nerve. that first goal would have been saved with relative ease by any agile young GK and if that wasn’t bad enough that third goal by none other than that over rated shit hound gyasi zardes who only scored because you were way off your line like you’ve grown accustomed too over the years of your many poor performances and terrible decisions.

had that been a good proficient custodian he would have been closer to his goal line which would have given him the ability to push that shot over bars and perform a basic save. look at any world class championship team, one if their major assets and keys to success is that they have a capable man between the uprights.

a dynamic smart capable goalie makes all the difference and it’s a teams last line of defence. in the Panama game you charged off your line missed your target completely only to trip up your defender who was challenging the attacker who probably would not have gotten a clean shot off had you not get in the way.

it would have served you better if you had cut off the angle and stayed in goal, it’s terrible decisions like that kept yourself and Jan from playing in any major league around the world. you guys never seem to improve over the last 10 years and instead stayed making the same ole basic errors.

 90% of the times that we’ve conceded an excessive amount of goals you were between the sticks and that’s no accident. you leave your defenders to run wild, your positioning is flawed and you just all round make rash decisions. again, thanks for your service marvin but it’s time to give the youths a chance. have some pride mate and retire. You’re not good enough for this level.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Jayerson on June 25, 2019, 09:23:45 AM
Marvin you have some nerve. that first goal would have been saved with relative ease by any agile young GK and if that wasn’t bad enough that third goal by none other than that over rated shit hound gyasi zardes who only scored because you were way off your line like you’ve grown accustomed too over the years of your many poor performances and terrible decisions.

had that been a good proficient custodian he would have been closer to his goal line which would have given him the ability to push that shot over bars and perform a basic save. look at any world class championship team, one if their major assets and keys to success is that they have a capable man between the uprights.

a dynamic smart capable goalie makes all the difference and it’s a teams last line of defence. in the Panama game you charged off your line missed your target completely only to trip up your defender who was challenging the attacker who probably would not have gotten a clean shot off had you not get in the way.

it would have served you better if you had cut off the angle and stayed in goal, it’s terrible decisions like that kept yourself and Jan from playing in any major league around the world. you guys never seem to improve over the last 10 years and instead stayed making the same ole basic errors.

 90% of the times that we’ve conceded an excessive amount of goals you were between the sticks and that’s no accident. you leave your defenders to run wild, your positioning is flawed and you just all round make rash decisions. again, thanks for your service marvin but it’s time to give the youths a chance. have some pride mate and retire. You’re not good enough for this level.

Marvin Phillip has served our national team and represented our colours and has given his best, I thank him for his service. He's an excellent shot stopper but his game has flaws in my humble opinion. These flaws are not readily apparent because he does make excellent saves and often times keeps us in some games. However, his positioning is wildly off at times, either he does not control/communicate with the back line or they simply don't listen to him, he goes to ground way too easily at times. He can look spectacular at times but that's because he's making last ditch saves, often not his fault but the defenders. I hope Greg Ranjitsingh gets an opportunity in the next game.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: congo on June 25, 2019, 10:04:26 AM
DL needs to resign or be released because his record is abysmal and he has proven to be an incapable coach NOT because they got 6 from the USA.

His overall record is poor
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: SWO_TNTFAN on June 25, 2019, 02:22:11 PM
DL, do the honorable thing and resign. It's not working out. This is rubbish football.
15 Losses, 5 wins and 5 draws. From quarter finals of GC and Hex to out in the group stages without scoring a single goal. Kiss group A and B goodbye in the Concacaf nations league and kiss the Hex goodbye. Without rankings in FIFA, all our players will remain in the rubbish league with Dennis Lawrence the failure coach that won't resign. Talk about Hero to Villain.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: trini supporter on June 25, 2019, 03:07:47 PM
Greetings all..havent posted in a while.. based on our gold cup performances i dont think DL is the problem these group of guys simply not good enough. Most are plying their trade in the pro league which the quality of ball is not good. Others play in the 2nd and 3rd division in leagues overseas. When you match this current side against quality oposition we are not going to win. Wont be suprise if guyana beat us they actually scored 2 goals. DL needs to start looking at another pool of players.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on June 25, 2019, 04:47:50 PM
Then, why hire a foreign coach if the primary material is not of serviceable quality?
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: gawd on pitch on June 25, 2019, 06:55:22 PM
@ Trinisupporter

What's the difference between the 2013 and 2015 Gold cup squad? Not much. Many of the players who playing in this gold cup also played in 2013 and 2015.

There are some main differences:

- no Kenwynne
- no Boucaud (I would have brought him into the Gold cup squad without hesitation..)
- no Jan Williams (which was fine)
- no Bateau (which explains the disjointed defence)
- no Guerra, Abu Bakr, etc..
- And of course no Hart (which says a lot)

Overall the majority of the players who were on the 2015 gold cup team are also on this team.

So my question to you trinisupporter is how were the 2015 and 2013 squads able to challenge the likes of Mexico and Panama, if they are simply not good enough? In fact Phillips is the only Pro league player that started on Saturday. There were more players playing in the pro leage in 2013 when we made the gold cup knock out.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: FF on June 25, 2019, 08:11:50 PM
You talking too much sense gawd on pitch
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on June 25, 2019, 08:15:52 PM
@ Trinisupporter

What's the difference between the 2013 and 2015 Gold cup squad? Not much. Many of the players who playing in this gold cup also played in 2013 and 2015.

There are some main differences:

- no Kenwynne
- no Boucaud (I would have brought him into the Gold cup squad without hesitation..)
- no Jan Williams (which was fine)
- no Bateau (which explains the disjointed defence)
- no Guerra, Abu Bakr, etc..
- And of course no Hart (which says a lot)

Overall the majority of the players who were on the 2015 gold cup team are also on this team.

So my question to you trinisupporter is how were the 2015 and 2013 squads able to challenge the likes of Mexico and Panama, if they are simply not good enough? In fact Phillips is the only Pro league player that started on Saturday. There were more players playing in the pro leage in 2013 when we made the gold cup knock out.


No one in here can deny the coaching is major difference between what we seeing now at this year GC compare to the 2013 and 2015 Gold Cups. Yes we have a systematic problem where the TTFA and DJW can be held responsible for not improving but the coaching failure is clear for even Stevie Wonder to see
.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: pull stones on June 25, 2019, 11:01:22 PM
Marvin you have some nerve. that first goal would have been saved with relative ease by any agile young GK and if that wasn’t bad enough that third goal by none other than that over rated shit hound gyasi zardes who only scored because you were way off your line like you’ve grown accustomed too over the years of your many poor performances and terrible decisions.

had that been a good proficient custodian he would have been closer to his goal line which would have given him the ability to push that shot over bars and perform a basic save. look at any world class championship team, one if their major assets and keys to success is that they have a capable man between the uprights.

a dynamic smart capable goalie makes all the difference and it’s a teams last line of defence. in the Panama game you charged off your line missed your target completely only to trip up your defender who was challenging the attacker who probably would not have gotten a clean shot off had you not get in the way.

it would have served you better if you had cut off the angle and stayed in goal, it’s terrible decisions like that kept yourself and Jan from playing in any major league around the world. you guys never seem to improve over the last 10 years and instead stayed making the same ole basic errors.

 90% of the times that we’ve conceded an excessive amount of goals you were between the sticks and that’s no accident. you leave your defenders to run wild, your positioning is flawed and you just all round make rash decisions. again, thanks for your service marvin but it’s time to give the youths a chance. have some pride mate and retire. You’re not good enough for this level.

Marvin Phillip has served our national team and represented our colours and has given his best, I thank him for his service. He's an excellent shot stopper but his game has flaws in my humble opinion. These flaws are not readily apparent because he does make excellent saves and often times keeps us in some games. However, his positioning is wildly off at times, either he does not control/communicate with the back line or they simply don't listen to him, he goes to ground way too easily at times. He can look spectacular at times but that's because he's making last ditch saves, often not his fault but the defenders. I hope Greg Ranjitsingh gets an opportunity in the next game.
I mean no disrespect to Marvin but that guy never won a meaningful game for us at anytime and whenever i see him in a competitive game for us i know automatically we’re going to concede and concede stupid goals at that. it’s very hard for him to keep a clean sheet because as you mentioned he’s clueless at positioning himself.  the reason why most people think he’s good is because he has great reflexes and makes some dynamic saves, but so did jan shaka and kelvin, IMO he’s nothing special.

It’s no mistake that the man never made it to any of the leagues around the world, not even an MLS team took a chance on the bloke because he has zero quality. I was happy when him and Jan retired last year only to have the man back again when we already have three younger goal keepers. please marvin go back into retirement we’re good in the GK department.

PS. and that dummy dennis can’t seem to see that with his thick self.

Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: pull stones on June 25, 2019, 11:11:33 PM
DL, do the honorable thing and resign. It's not working out. This is rubbish football.
15 Losses, 5 wins and 5 draws. From quarter finals of GC and Hex to out in the group stages without scoring a single goal. Kiss group A and B goodbye in the Concacaf nations league and kiss the Hex goodbye. Without rankings in FIFA, all our players will remain in the rubbish league with Dennis Lawrence the failure coach that won't resign. Talk about Hero to Villain.
in all fairness to dennis the man has been playing pure away games mate. Him and the team had to do some rough traveling away from home in the orient in the middle east and in europe, how the hell hes going to have a good record playing so far away from home on every fifa date, and that’s because the federation has no money to host anyone. my beef with dennis is that he insist with players who has shown that they’re incapable and ignores players who could possibly make a difference.

I don’t understand why he has isolated boatswain, that lad had some potential and looked dangerous every time he plays yet he sticks with one dimensional winchester and Nathan Lewis who in all his competitive starts can’t find a single goal. he has all but ignored Greg Ranjitsingh who I’m sure is much better than the two goats we have, when will he give the lad a shot? it’s things like this that infuriates me about dennis lawrence.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: pull stones on June 25, 2019, 11:19:36 PM
@ Trinisupporter

What's the difference between the 2013 and 2015 Gold cup squad? Not much. Many of the players who playing in this gold cup also played in 2013 and 2015.

There are some main differences:

- no Kenwynne
- no Boucaud (I would have brought him into the Gold cup squad without hesitation..)
- no Jan Williams (which was fine)
- no Bateau (which explains the disjointed defence)
- no Guerra, Abu Bakr, etc..
- And of course no Hart (which says a lot)

Overall the majority of the players who were on the 2015 gold cup team are also on this team.

So my question to you trinisupporter is how were the 2015 and 2013 squads able to challenge the likes of Mexico and Panama, if they are simply not good enough? In fact Phillips is the only Pro league player that started on Saturday. There were more players playing in the pro leage in 2013 when we made the gold cup knock out.
chile won two copa americas back to back and the next year failed to qualify for the world cup, things like that does happen. I would like to think that the lads don’t want to reward DJW so they don’t give it their all, and who would want too, the man is a pig. I think once DJW is out the picture things would change.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Jayerson on June 26, 2019, 08:22:36 AM
DL, do the honorable thing and resign. It's not working out. This is rubbish football.
15 Losses, 5 wins and 5 draws. From quarter finals of GC and Hex to out in the group stages without scoring a single goal. Kiss group A and B goodbye in the Concacaf nations league and kiss the Hex goodbye. Without rankings in FIFA, all our players will remain in the rubbish league with Dennis Lawrence the failure coach that won't resign. Talk about Hero to Villain.
in all fairness to dennis the man has been playing pure away games mate. Him and the team had to do some rough traveling away from home in the orient in the middle east and in europe, how the hell hes going to have a good record playing so far away from home on every fifa date, and that’s because the federation has no money to host anyone. my beef with dennis is that he insist with players who has shown that they’re incapable and ignores players who could possibly make a difference.

I don’t understand why he has isolated boatswain, that lad had some potential and looked dangerous every time he plays yet he sticks with one dimensional winchester and Nathan Lewis who in all his competitive starts can’t find a single goal. he has all but ignored Greg Ranjitsingh who I’m sure is much better than the two goats we have, when will he give the lad a shot? it’s things like this that infuriates me about dennis lawrence.


This team is screaming out for a physically strong hold up player like Boatswain up top. That's why he was not even included in the 40 man provisional squad. This team knocks the ball sideways at the back (I guess our version of possession football) and then lumps it forward to either Nathan Lewis, Molino or Garcia. None of which plays that type of football. Almost always they don't win the header or are out muscled by the opposition defense.

Imagine Curacao, Martinique, Guyana and Bermuda have all scored goals and looked more organised than we have.  :'(
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: elan on June 26, 2019, 10:44:38 AM
Then, why hire a foreign coach if the primary material is not of serviceable quality?

Spend that foreign coach money on coach education and regional centers.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: soccerman on June 26, 2019, 10:49:46 AM
Then, why hire a foreign coach if the primary material is not of serviceable quality?

Spend that foreign coach money on coach education and regional centers.

It worked for Iceland! But it must be a long term project starting with the youths and the coaches must have an open mind.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: pull stones on June 26, 2019, 10:53:25 AM
DL, do the honorable thing and resign. It's not working out. This is rubbish football.
15 Losses, 5 wins and 5 draws. From quarter finals of GC and Hex to out in the group stages without scoring a single goal. Kiss group A and B goodbye in the Concacaf nations league and kiss the Hex goodbye. Without rankings in FIFA, all our players will remain in the rubbish league with Dennis Lawrence the failure coach that won't resign. Talk about Hero to Villain.
in all fairness to dennis the man has been playing pure away games mate. Him and the team had to do some rough traveling away from home in the orient in the middle east and in europe, how the hell hes going to have a good record playing so far away from home on every fifa date, and that’s because the federation has no money to host anyone. my beef with dennis is that he insist with players who has shown that they’re incapable and ignores players who could possibly make a difference.

I don’t understand why he has isolated boatswain, that lad had some potential and looked dangerous every time he plays yet he sticks with one dimensional winchester and Nathan Lewis who in all his competitive starts can’t find a single goal. he has all but ignored Greg Ranjitsingh who I’m sure is much better than the two goats we have, when will he give the lad a shot? it’s things like this that infuriates me about dennis lawrence.


This team is screaming out for a physically strong hold up player like Boatswain up top. That's why he was not even included in the 40 man provisional squad. This team knocks the ball sideways at the back (I guess our version of possession football) and then lumps it forward to either Nathan Lewis, Molino or Garcia. None of which plays that type of football. Almost always they don't win the header or are out muscled by the opposition defense.

Imagine Curacao, Martinique, Guyana and Bermuda have all scored goals and looked more organised than we have.  :'(
when you’re right you’re right. dennis not only overlooked boatswain he also flew past Ranjitsingh and powder. What a stubourne feller he is.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 26, 2019, 10:57:31 AM
I don’t understand why he has isolated boatswain, that lad had some potential and looked dangerous every time he plays yet he sticks with one dimensional winchester and Nathan Lewis who in all his competitive starts can’t find a single goal. he has all but ignored Greg Ranjitsingh who I’m sure is much better than the two goats we have, when will he give the lad a shot? it’s things like this that infuriates me about dennis lawrence.


Dan now I know fuh sure you on shit!!! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: elan on June 26, 2019, 11:16:53 AM
DL, do the honorable thing and resign. It's not working out. This is rubbish football.
15 Losses, 5 wins and 5 draws. From quarter finals of GC and Hex to out in the group stages without scoring a single goal. Kiss group A and B goodbye in the Concacaf nations league and kiss the Hex goodbye. Without rankings in FIFA, all our players will remain in the rubbish league with Dennis Lawrence the failure coach that won't resign. Talk about Hero to Villain.
in all fairness to dennis the man has been playing pure away games mate. Him and the team had to do some rough traveling away from home in the orient in the middle east and in europe, how the hell hes going to have a good record playing so far away from home on every fifa date, and that’s because the federation has no money to host anyone. my beef with dennis is that he insist with players who has shown that they’re incapable and ignores players who could possibly make a difference.

I don’t understand why he has isolated boatswain, that lad had some potential and looked dangerous every time he plays yet he sticks with one dimensional winchester and Nathan Lewis who in all his competitive starts can’t find a single goal. he has all but ignored Greg Ranjitsingh who I’m sure is much better than the two goats we have, when will he give the lad a shot? it’s things like this that infuriates me about dennis lawrence.


This team is screaming out for a physically strong hold up player like Boatswain up top. That's why he was not even included in the 40 man provisional squad. This team knocks the ball sideways at the back (I guess our version of possession football) and then lumps it forward to either Nathan Lewis, Molino or Garcia. None of which plays that type of football. Almost always they don't win the header or are out muscled by the opposition defense.

Imagine Curacao, Martinique, Guyana and Bermuda have all scored goals and looked more organised than we have.  :'(

We have to learn how to play a long driven air ball with and without back spin. Them high, slow, floating ball forward is the worst thing I see.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Marcos on June 26, 2019, 02:30:09 PM

We have to learn how to play a long driven air ball with and without back spin. Them high, slow, floating ball forward is the worst thing I see.

We lack overall technique and football IQ. Plan should be to instill this at youth level and come up with a long term plan. Seems like the administration has no desire to do this and are only interested in enriching themselves. We are in really bad shape
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on June 26, 2019, 02:34:16 PM
Then, why hire a foreign coach if the primary material is not of serviceable quality?

Spend that foreign coach money on coach education and regional centers.

It worked for Iceland! But it must be a long term project starting with the youths and the coaches must have an open mind.

Good luck wid flickin dat. Handful of progressives.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: SUPA on June 26, 2019, 06:05:42 PM
Greetings to one and all. Supa & De Enterprise, we still alive. We not on the posting vibes, just read up as a guest and keep it moving. But this T&T team playing right now, I had to bust a quick post. I know Lawrence for me is a topic for another day. But damn the finishing by our forwards is really unacceptable. I don't know if we have specifically working with the forwards on their movements, finishing, etc, but it's embarrassing to look at. HIGHLY BLESSED.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: gawd on pitch on June 26, 2019, 06:40:28 PM
People here saying that we lack this, and aint have that. Allyuh remember that the core players of this current team played in 2013 and 2015. Many of them are playing on better teams since 2013. So how all of a sudden they cant beat Guyana? There is a correlation between DJW coming into the administration and the results. That's where we have to start. .
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: FF on June 26, 2019, 06:51:00 PM
Plain talk
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: soccerman on June 26, 2019, 06:54:54 PM
Something in the camp is definitely wrong and needs investigating.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: real madness on June 26, 2019, 06:57:50 PM
People here saying that we lack this, and aint have that. Allyuh remember that the core players of this current team played in 2013 and 2015. Many of them are playing on better teams since 2013. So how all of a sudden they cant beat Guyana? There is a correlation between DJW coming into the administration and the results. That's where we have to start. .

Start there and get rid of Dennis while we there.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: 100% Barataria on June 26, 2019, 07:02:32 PM
Plain talk

good manners
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Deeks on June 26, 2019, 07:24:53 PM
People here saying that we lack this, and aint have that. Allyuh remember that the core players of this current team played in 2013 and 2015. Many of them are playing on better teams since 2013. So how all of a sudden they cant beat Guyana? There is a correlation between DJW coming into the administration and the results. That's where we have to start. .

Start there and get rid of Dennis while we there.

g.o.p. did you really watch this team. They just lack everything.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: pull stones on June 26, 2019, 07:47:58 PM
I don’t understand why he has isolated boatswain, that lad had some potential and looked dangerous every time he plays yet he sticks with one dimensional winchester and Nathan Lewis who in all his competitive starts can’t find a single goal. he has all but ignored Greg Ranjitsingh who I’m sure is much better than the two goats we have, when will he give the lad a shot? it’s things like this that infuriates me about dennis lawrence.


Dan now I know fuh sure you on shit!!! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
he looked more likely to score than jamol and winchester that’s for sure.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: pull stones on June 26, 2019, 07:51:31 PM
PS. fire dennis lawrence right now. he’s too bloody stubborn and pig headed.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: FF on June 26, 2019, 08:12:04 PM
Look at this shit

Ignorant stubborn and shameless

http://guardian.co.tt/sports/ttfa-boss-im-pleased-with-coach-lawrence-6.2.873110.fdf56f6e29
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: gawd on pitch on June 26, 2019, 08:14:30 PM
People here saying that we lack this, and aint have that. Allyuh remember that the core players of this current team played in 2013 and 2015. Many of them are playing on better teams since 2013. So how all of a sudden they cant beat Guyana? There is a correlation between DJW coming into the administration and the results. That's where we have to start. .

Start there and get rid of Dennis while we there.

g.o.p. did you really watch this team. They just lack everything.


Yes meh brother. I'm referring to the previous gold cups and the fact that we basically have the same team there. I dont think that everybody on the team just start playing bad. That team I seen this evening, had no plan. Tactics, strategy.. nothing. No brand. And I can go on..

We all know that the development and infrastructure in TT aint really conducive to football. Yes the TTFA is to blame. But I think the issue is greater than 11 men on the field who just regressing all of a sudden.

Utmost respect to DL. But he would stand a better chance without DJW and his cronies in the picture. Still, he would be a better assistant coach than a head coach.

We calling for DL to resign.. but who should replace him is the sad question? I'm sure many might call for Hart to come back, but that ain't happening with DJW in the white house.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: pull stones on June 26, 2019, 09:04:25 PM
Look at this shit

Ignorant stubborn and shameless

http://guardian.co.tt/sports/ttfa-boss-im-pleased-with-coach-lawrence-6.2.873110.fdf56f6e29
that man is a real pig of a man, we have won nothing under his tenure, women’s ,men’s, boys. he’s a real friken hex.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on June 26, 2019, 10:30:04 PM
Look at this shit

Ignorant stubborn and shameless

http://guardian.co.tt/sports/ttfa-boss-im-pleased-with-coach-lawrence-6.2.873110.fdf56f6e29

nonsense!
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: 100% Barataria on June 27, 2019, 03:16:00 AM
Elections are in a few months, vote him out, his personality and type isn't uncommon in our society, so pray we get a minority personality to replace him....
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 27, 2019, 08:07:18 AM
TTFA boss: I'm pleased with coach Lawrence.
By Walter Alibey (Guardian).


"That's foot­ball."

This was the first of­fi­cial re­sponse from T&T Foot­ball As­so­ci­a­tion pres­i­dent David John-Williams to the So­ca War­riors' de­mor­al­is­ing 6-0 de­feat by the Unit­ed States at the CON­CA­CAF Gold Cup last Sat­ur­day in the USA.

Speak­ing to Guardian Me­dia Sports dur­ing a vis­it by US Em­bassy of­fi­cials yes­ter­day, John-Williams made it clear that he was pleased that the foot­ball as­so­ci­a­tion gave the team max­i­mum prepa­ra­tion ahead of the Gold Cup.

"When we knocked the US out of the World Cup it was the same thing that hap­pened, a pub­lic out­cry. In all the Gold Cups we would have par­tic­i­pat­ed in, we have reached the semi­fi­nal once and the quar­ter­fi­nal once, so we have nev­er re­al­ly had a good his­to­ry in the Gold Cup."

John-Williams added, "Un­der this ad­min­is­tra­tion, we have de­lib­er­ate­ly said that we are go­ing to build from the ground up. I have said it, from the first day of my tenure, but I will close by say­ing watch our un­der-15s play Mex­i­co, Venezuela and Pana­ma come Ju­ly. I think it will be some­thing in­ter­est­ing for the pub­lic to see where we have been chan­nelling our en­er­gies."

Mean­while, coach Den­nis Lawrence is set to stay on at the helm of the na­tion­al foot­ball team de­spite calls for his head fol­low­ing Sat­ur­day's em­bar­rass­ing de­feat.

On a CNC3 sports pro­gramme on Tues­day night, Ter­ry Fen­wick, a for­mer San Juan Jabloteh and Cen­tral FC coach, lashed out at John-Williams and called for both Lawrence and John-Williams to re­sign.

Fen­wick, who was the front-run­ner for the top coach­ing job but missed out to Lawrence more than two years ago, said the lo­cal foot­ball boss should be blamed for the dis­ap­point­ing re­sults to the US and Pana­ma, as well as the poor state of lo­cal foot­ball.

But John-Williams yes­ter­day said he has a lot of faith in Lawrence.

"At the end of the day, he does not have to put the ball be­hind the net and nei­ther do I. I think we played rel­a­tive­ly well against the US for 65 min­utes and it went all down­hill af­ter we con­ced­ed the sec­ond goal."

He added, "Foot­ball is about mo­ments and that mo­ment when Levi Gar­cia missed that op­por­tu­ni­ty, we're not cru­ci­fy­ing him for it, but it would have been a dif­fer­ent ball game. So in T&T, there will be that out­cry for that de­feat but we can­not hang our heads and say die, but we have got to move on."

He, in fact, praised Lawrence as a good coach.

"He is a pro­fes­sion­al and well-trained coach, who is al­so one of a few UE­FA coach­es in T&T. Den­nis has coached at the high­est lev­el and I have a lot of faith in Den­nis," John-Williams con­clud­ed.

Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: FF on June 27, 2019, 09:13:29 AM
Wow. Lawrence ent resign yet. Was expecting it last night or first thing this morning.
Don't tell me he cut from the same cloth as DJW and that kind of ilk
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Sam on June 27, 2019, 09:13:43 AM
TTFA boss: I'm pleased with coach Lawrence.
By Walter Alibey (Guardian).


"That's foot­ball."

This was the first of­fi­cial re­sponse from T&T Foot­ball As­so­ci­a­tion pres­i­dent David John-Williams to the So­ca War­riors' de­mor­al­is­ing 6-0 de­feat by the Unit­ed States at the CON­CA­CAF Gold Cup last Sat­ur­day in the USA.

Speak­ing to Guardian Me­dia Sports dur­ing a vis­it by US Em­bassy of­fi­cials yes­ter­day, John-Williams made it clear that he was pleased that the foot­ball as­so­ci­a­tion gave the team max­i­mum prepa­ra­tion ahead of the Gold Cup.

"When we knocked the US out of the World Cup it was the same thing that hap­pened, a pub­lic out­cry. In all the Gold Cups we would have par­tic­i­pat­ed in, we have reached the semi­fi­nal once and the quar­ter­fi­nal once, so we have nev­er re­al­ly had a good his­to­ry in the Gold Cup."

John-Williams added, "Un­der this ad­min­is­tra­tion, we have de­lib­er­ate­ly said that we are go­ing to build from the ground up. I have said it, from the first day of my tenure, but I will close by say­ing watch our un­der-15s play Mex­i­co, Venezuela and Pana­ma come Ju­ly. I think it will be some­thing in­ter­est­ing for the pub­lic to see where we have been chan­nelling our en­er­gies."

Mean­while, coach Den­nis Lawrence is set to stay on at the helm of the na­tion­al foot­ball team de­spite calls for his head fol­low­ing Sat­ur­day's em­bar­rass­ing de­feat.

On a CNC3 sports pro­gramme on Tues­day night, Ter­ry Fen­wick, a for­mer San Juan Jabloteh and Cen­tral FC coach, lashed out at John-Williams and called for both Lawrence and John-Williams to re­sign.

Fen­wick, who was the front-run­ner for the top coach­ing job but missed out to Lawrence more than two years ago, said the lo­cal foot­ball boss should be blamed for the dis­ap­point­ing re­sults to the US and Pana­ma, as well as the poor state of lo­cal foot­ball.

But John-Williams yes­ter­day said he has a lot of faith in Lawrence.

"At the end of the day, he does not have to put the ball be­hind the net and nei­ther do I. I think we played rel­a­tive­ly well against the US for 65 min­utes and it went all down­hill af­ter we con­ced­ed the sec­ond goal."

He added, "Foot­ball is about mo­ments and that mo­ment when Levi Gar­cia missed that op­por­tu­ni­ty, we're not cru­ci­fy­ing him for it, but it would have been a dif­fer­ent ball game. So in T&T, there will be that out­cry for that de­feat but we can­not hang our heads and say die, but we have got to move on."

He, in fact, praised Lawrence as a good coach.

"He is a pro­fes­sion­al and well-trained coach, who is al­so one of a few UE­FA coach­es in T&T. Den­nis has coached at the high­est lev­el and I have a lot of faith in Den­nis," John-Williams con­clud­ed.



DJW will an ignorant bastard...

Beating de USA just for bragging rights for T&T, it was meaningless for us and it was a fluke probably could never happen again a year later de US came back and hit we 6 with some inexperience players.

Lawrence played in two gold cups and he did NOT qualify for the  team for any.

What did Lawrence accomplish since he got this job.

Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 27, 2019, 09:25:04 AM
I don’t understand why he has isolated boatswain, that lad had some potential and looked dangerous every time he plays yet he sticks with one dimensional winchester and Nathan Lewis who in all his competitive starts can’t find a single goal. he has all but ignored Greg Ranjitsingh who I’m sure is much better than the two goats we have, when will he give the lad a shot? it’s things like this that infuriates me about dennis lawrence.


Dan now I know fuh sure you on shit!!! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
he looked more likely to score than jamol and winchester that’s for sure.
I will give you that one lol. I remember Botswain looking promising making people talk rubbish about him replacing KJ. And just as quickly as that talk start it boil dong like baghee. Botswain looked like he could develop into something similar to KJ but all it was, was potential. Nothing more, nothing less!
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: ffisback on June 27, 2019, 09:29:57 AM
Ever since Look Loy fire Z Vanes it was all down hill for this team nobody was able to bring the team back to that level again.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on June 27, 2019, 09:45:01 AM
Wow. Lawrence ent resign yet. Was expecting it last night or first thing this morning.
Don't tell me he cut from the same cloth as DJW and that kind of ilk

Well, pretty soon he will touch down at Piarco. From de time he land, public sentiment will touch him. De man in de streets will talk.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Flex on July 02, 2019, 01:32:38 AM
Look Loy calls for new T&T coach, players
By Joel Bailey (Newsday).


FORMER MALICK Secondary team coach and FIFA Development Officer Keith Look Loy is calling for changes within the T&T men’s football team, on and off the field.

Look Loy made this plea during an interview on Thursday, following T&T’s disappointing showing at the Concacaf Gold Cup in the United States.

In Group D, T&T finished with one point, after a 1-1 draw with Guyana on Wednesday. They were beaten 2-0 by Panama on June 18 and 6-0 by hosts US four days later.

“I think the squad was poorly selected, the starting teams were poorly selected and (T&T coach Dennis) Lawrence is contradicting himself,” said Look Loy, who is the owner/president of FC Santa Rosa. “It’s evident that he’s guessing as he goes along.

“It’s clear that we not only need a new coach but some new players,” Look Loy added. “We need some younger players who are ambitious to try and achieve something, to make a name for themselves. Some of them are in the squad already.

“This is what the Olympic qualifying tournament (this month) would have done. It would have given those younger boys a chance to show why they could have been included in the Nations League in September. That chance is gone. But we need a new coach and we need some new players.”

Commenting on the Guyana encounter, Look Loy said, “The result saved us the total embarrassment of not getting a point (but) it didn’t save us the embarrassment of finishing last in the group.”

Look Loy, an outspoken critic of the TTFA top brass, led by David John-Williams, noted, “The Gold Cup experience under the (David) John-Williams administration was poor. The last time around in 2017, we didn’t qualify and, this time around in 2019, we had this disaster, finishing last in a group behind a country ranked 177th in the world. That’s a national disgrace.”

The TTFA board member continued, “The bigger issue of the suitability of Lawrence. We have now played 23 matches under his hands and we’ve won four. I see the president of the TTFA talking about how he’s satisfied. I find this contemptuous of public opinion. You’re reading the social media. The public is in revolt against this. The public is demanding that both he and Lawrence should leave.

“People are saying that (John-Williams) wasn’t satisfied when (former coach Stephen) Hart lost two games but now you’re satisfied. It is so ludicrous.

“The TTFA would be hard-pressed to dismiss (Lawrence) because they cannot pay him off. I want to call on Lawrence to do the honourable thing to admit that the task is bigger than his abilities and to make way for somebody else to be appointed. If (he) was in a club, in any part of the world, he would have been long gone.”

Before the Gold Cup began, the TTFA announced a deal with kit sponsor Capelli.

According to Look Loy, “(On Wednesday), during the broadcast, the (Fox Sports) commentators are talking about the introduction of Capelli as the new kit sponsor of the TTFA and calling it ‘shirt gate’. The name of TT football and the TTFA is being dragged through the mud by this administration. We’re being disgraced all around.”

Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: FF on July 03, 2019, 06:14:56 PM
Wow. Lawrence ent resign yet. Was expecting it last night or first thing this morning.
Don't tell me he cut from the same cloth as DJW and that kind of ilk

Well, pretty soon he will touch down at Piarco. From de time he land, public sentiment will touch him. De man in de streets will talk.

Well boy he had press conference today. I really ent look for him here nah. Shameless. The man actually attack Look Loy record rather than look at his own failings. It make me remember that he was one of them who take Jack deal back in the days. I shame he is a Barataria Ball Players veteran. Shame I tell yuh.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: FF on July 03, 2019, 06:17:51 PM
Lawrence lashes back at Look Loy

http://guardian.co.tt/sports/lawrence-lashes-back-at-look-loy-6.2.878787.e485f4a7a0

WAL­TER AL­IBEY

wal­ter.al­ibey@guardian.co.tt

T&T's na­tion­al foot­ball coach Den­nis Lawrence has lashed back at Kei­th Look Loy, a mem­ber of the board of the T&T Foot­ball As­so­ci­a­tion who has said pub­licly that he (Lawrence) should step down fol­low­ing the coun­try's hor­ren­dous CON­CA­CAF Gold Cup per­for­mance.

Speak­ing at a press con­fer­ence at the Na­tion­al Cy­cling Cen­tre (NCC) in Bal­main, Cou­va, on Wednes­day, Lawrence, who ad­mit­ted that cer­tain things could have been done dif­fer­ent­ly to pro­duce bet­ter re­sults, said gen­er­al­ly, he stood by the de­ci­sions he made dur­ing the tour­na­ment with re­gards to team se­lec­tion, among oth­er de­ci­sions he made. He said, how­ev­er, that he feels like he has lost a bat­tle and not the war.

The T&T team fin­ished the tour­na­ment with just one point from three match­es, hav­ing been hu­mil­i­at­ed 6-0 to the USA, los­ing 2-0 to Pana­ma and draw­ing with Guyana 1-1.

How­ev­er, Lawrence took of­fence to calls head­ed by Look Loy, a for­mer na­tion­al play­er and coach, for him to step down, say­ing, "Had I tak­en his ad­vice then, I wouldn't be where I am to­day. When I was 15-years-old, that was the same guy who said to me, you would not make it in foot­ball. I didn't take his ad­vice then.

"In 1998, while serv­ing as Joe Pub­lic's Tech­ni­cal Di­rec­tor, that team was beat­en 8-0 by DC Unit­ed in the CON­CA­CAF Cham­pi­ons Cup, but he (Look Loy) did not re­sign then, in­stead, he got an­oth­er pro­mo­tion."

Ac­cord­ing to Lawrence, Look Loy, the for­mer FC San­ta Rosa coach, was al­so ap­point­ed man­ag­er of the coun­try's youth teams in 1999, where, in three con­sec­u­tive games the side was beat­en by six goals, but still he was pro­mot­ed a sec­ond time to the coun­try's se­nior team as an as­sis­tant, where there were al­so un­favourable re­sults.

Dis­ap­point­ed by Look Loy's in­sis­tence that he is not the man for the T&T coach­ing job, Lawrence said Look Loy was then el­e­vat­ed to the po­si­tion of tech­ni­cal ad­vis­er and ap­point­ed a Ger­man coach who failed to get T&T to the Hex stage of the World Cup Qual­i­fiers.

"To­day he is still in­volved in our foot­ball, mak­ing de­ci­sions," Lawrence said.

Lawrence be­lieves a num­ber of fac­tors con­tributed to his team's poor Gold Cup cam­paign and a vis­it to the Kansas City train­ing cen­tre was con­fir­ma­tion for him that they were punch­ing well above their weight, due to the va­ri­ety of high-tech equip­ment that his play­ers did not have ac­cess to in their dai­ly prepa­ra­tions.

Be­cause of this, Lawrence said he awaits the com­ing on stream of the Home of Foot­ball, from strict­ly a foot­balling stand­point, as it will help with the prepa­ra­tion and de­vel­op­ment of the play­ers. Lawrence said his team was af­fect­ed by a range of is­sues, in­clud­ing play­ers' per­son­al prob­lems, play­er un­avail­abil­i­ty, in­juries, fit­ness and play­ers' men­tal­i­ty, among oth­ers.

Still, he told the me­dia to be beat­en by six goals, four of which came in 12 min­utes, was not nor­mal.

"Our prob­lem has been us in pos­ses­sion of the ball and then just giv­ing it away. For us to com­pete in foot­ball, we must man­age the game bet­ter."

Lawrence said he is hope­ful he will be pre­sent­ed with a wider pool of play­ers to pick from in the fu­ture, as well as a core group of lo­cal play­ers from the Pro League. He said he will keep a close eye on the com­ing pre-sea­son Pro­fes­sion­al Tour­na­ment lat­er this month, from which he in­tends to choose play­ers for the Na­tions League in Sep­tem­ber.

Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: kounty on July 03, 2019, 06:40:25 PM
poor.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Deeks on July 03, 2019, 07:50:32 PM
"In 1998, while serv­ing as Joe Pub­lic's Tech­ni­cal Di­rec­tor, that team was beat­en 8-0 by DC Unit­ed in the CON­CA­CAF Cham­pi­ons Cup, ...."

Saw that game. It was real bad. They were ripped apart. It was disappointing because the previous year, Petrotrin battled DC United and succumb to a late goal. So we were expecting something more from Joe P. But DL that was then. This now.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on July 03, 2019, 08:38:32 PM
poor.

Doh bite yuh tongue, kounty. Gih we some more nah.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: 100% Barataria on July 03, 2019, 09:31:45 PM
Wow. Lawrence ent resign yet. Was expecting it last night or first thing this morning.
Don't tell me he cut from the same cloth as DJW and that kind of ilk

Well, pretty soon he will touch down at Piarco. From de time he land, public sentiment will touch him. De man in de streets will talk.

Well boy he had press conference today. I really ent look for him here nah. Shameless. The man actually attack Look Loy record rather than look at his own failings. It make me remember that he was one of them who take Jack deal back in the days. I shame he is a Barataria Ball Players veteran. Shame I tell yuh.

I must have been asleep, when he sweat for BBP?   Now plenty ah we shame
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Controversial on July 04, 2019, 05:09:04 PM
Wow. Lawrence ent resign yet. Was expecting it last night or first thing this morning.
Don't tell me he cut from the same cloth as DJW and that kind of ilk

Well, pretty soon he will touch down at Piarco. From de time he land, public sentiment will touch him. De man in de streets will talk.

Well boy he had press conference today. I really ent look for him here nah. Shameless. The man actually attack Look Loy record rather than look at his own failings. It make me remember that he was one of them who take Jack deal back in the days. I shame he is a Barataria Ball Players veteran. Shame I tell yuh.

What do you expect from a sell out? Empathy?  :rotfl:

The whole thing was a sabotage of our wc campaign with Hart...
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: kounty on July 06, 2019, 08:26:41 AM
poor.

Doh bite yuh tongue, kounty. Gih we some more nah.
sorry. I was willing to stick with him up to this point. (even, reluctantly, into a new administration if we lucky enough to get one in November--especially considering budget issues). Is okay to get 6. That in itself is no scene. Look even the mighty Brazil on the biggest stage get humiliated, which didn't mean that overnight everybody & coach turned sh!thounds. But that response took no ownership of the tactical shortcomings that has been obvious for a while now - with a big spotlight to exaggerate now. Just poor. He push me off the edge dey.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on July 06, 2019, 02:34:58 PM
First time I see a national coach of any country clearly reject the notion of him stepping down knowing he has a very poor record as coach, knowing the style of football he has his players playing will not be successful (Gold cup was a testimony of that) and instea dof taking blame he blame others... :D

Only in Trinidad
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Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on July 06, 2019, 10:21:27 PM
poor.

Doh bite yuh tongue, kounty. Gih we some more nah.
sorry. I was willing to stick with him up to this point. (even, reluctantly, into a new administration if we lucky enough to get one in November--especially considering budget issues). Is okay to get 6. That in itself is no scene. Look even the mighty Brazil on the biggest stage get humiliated, which didn't mean that overnight everybody & coach turned sh!thounds. But that response took no ownership of the tactical shortcomings that has been obvious for a while now - with a big spotlight to exaggerate now. Just poor. He push me off the edge dey.

Precisely. Nuff said.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: lefty on July 06, 2019, 10:51:06 PM
I don’t understand why he has isolated boatswain, that lad had some potential and looked dangerous every time he plays yet he sticks with one dimensional winchester and Nathan Lewis who in all his competitive starts can’t find a single goal. he has all but ignored Greg Ranjitsingh who I’m sure is much better than the two goats we have, when will he give the lad a shot? it’s things like this that infuriates me about dennis lawrence.


Dan now I know fuh sure you on shit!!! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

wait I now see this......boatswain was mostly useless outside his comfort read PFL....what I remember of boatswain, was standing yards offside like ah deer in the headlights on every attack we had and frustrating d hell out d team...was ah WCQ game against costa rica annoying AF
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: pull stones on July 07, 2019, 07:52:40 AM
I don’t understand why he has isolated boatswain, that lad had some potential and looked dangerous every time he plays yet he sticks with one dimensional winchester and Nathan Lewis who in all his competitive starts can’t find a single goal. he has all but ignored Greg Ranjitsingh who I’m sure is much better than the two goats we have, when will he give the lad a shot? it’s things like this that infuriates me about dennis lawrence.


Dan now I know fuh sure you on shit!!! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

wait I now see this......boatswain was mostly useless outside his comfort read PFL....what I remember of boatswain, was standing yards offside like ah deer in the headlights on every attack we had and frustrating d hell out d team...was ah WCQ game against costa rica annoying AF
nah mate I disagree.  boatswain is very frustrating to watch but the guy has a presence and he has managed to do what most forwards we had in the recent past has failed to do and that’s put himself about.

Watch winchester Caesar and plaza, these players are gone missing every time they play and you could barely tell we have forwards in a game, but boatswain is quite visible and though he’s offside most of the time ala stern john..........he finds himself in positions to receive the ball. Afrom my point of view boatswain is still young and given time with a good manager who could teach him to time his runs and stay on side, he could be a dangerous asset for us.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: lefty on July 07, 2019, 11:18:05 AM
I don’t understand why he has isolated boatswain, that lad had some potential and looked dangerous every time he plays yet he sticks with one dimensional winchester and Nathan Lewis who in all his competitive starts can’t find a single goal. he has all but ignored Greg Ranjitsingh who I’m sure is much better than the two goats we have, when will he give the lad a shot? it’s things like this that infuriates me about dennis lawrence.


Dan now I know fuh sure you on shit!!! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

wait I now see this......boatswain was mostly useless outside his comfort read PFL....what I remember of boatswain, was standing yards offside like ah deer in the headlights on every attack we had and frustrating d hell out d team...was ah WCQ game against costa rica annoying AF
nah mate I disagree.  boatswain is very frustrating to watch but the guy has a presence and he has managed to do what most forwards we had in the recent past has failed to do and that’s put himself about.

Watch winchester Caesar and plaza, these players are gone missing every time they play and you could barely tell we have forwards in a game, but boatswain is quite visible and though he’s offside most of the time ala stern john..........he finds himself in positions to receive the ball. Afrom my point of view boatswain is still young and given time with a good manager who could teach him to time his runs and stay on side, he could be a dangerous asset for us.

Stern couldn't read d line or lacked d concentration to continuously check d line....boatswain would STAND 3-4 yards offside apparently unaware of what it meant to be offside. :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

 
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on July 07, 2019, 12:10:19 PM
I don’t understand why he has isolated boatswain, that lad had some potential and looked dangerous every time he plays yet he sticks with one dimensional winchester and Nathan Lewis who in all his competitive starts can’t find a single goal. he has all but ignored Greg Ranjitsingh who I’m sure is much better than the two goats we have, when will he give the lad a shot? it’s things like this that infuriates me about dennis lawrence.


Dan now I know fuh sure you on shit!!! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

wait I now see this......boatswain was mostly useless outside his comfort read PFL....what I remember of boatswain, was standing yards offside like ah deer in the headlights on every attack we had and frustrating d hell out d team...was ah WCQ game against costa rica annoying AF
nah mate I disagree.  boatswain is very frustrating to watch but the guy has a presence and he has managed to do what most forwards we had in the recent past has failed to do and that’s put himself about.

Watch winchester Caesar and plaza, these players are gone missing every time they play and you could barely tell we have forwards in a game, but boatswain is quite visible and though he’s offside most of the time ala stern john..........he finds himself in positions to receive the ball. Afrom my point of view boatswain is still young and given time with a good manager who could teach him to time his runs and stay on side, he could be a dangerous asset for us.

Stern couldn't read d line or lacked d concentration to continuously check d line....boatswain would STAND 3-4 yards offside apparently unaware of what it meant to be offside. :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

So lefty, what would you do as a coach of a good player with poor positioning and interpretation of the play in offside situations? Send him to the executioner? Toss him out as the baby with de bathwater?
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on July 07, 2019, 01:14:17 PM
By the way, I know there is a general consensus that the Warriors delivered a brilliant production versus Costa Rica in Costa Rica (and I concede that there were positive passages of play), but I don't concur with the "wow" factor felt by many.

We lost the game in the FIRST minute under eminently avoidable circumstances.

In case anybody needs reminding, this is the team that day. Boatswain leading the line because KJ was injured. J.Jones, Molino and Lewis. Curtis Gonzales and Arcia (George and Hyland were spectators). Back 4 was M. Williams, Bateau, Cyrus and David. Jan in goal.

That means 7 players in the match featured during the GC.

Cracks in tactics and organization were already in evidence that day.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: lefty on July 07, 2019, 01:25:07 PM
I don’t understand why he has isolated boatswain, that lad had some potential and looked dangerous every time he plays yet he sticks with one dimensional winchester and Nathan Lewis who in all his competitive starts can’t find a single goal. he has all but ignored Greg Ranjitsingh who I’m sure is much better than the two goats we have, when will he give the lad a shot? it’s things like this that infuriates me about dennis lawrence.


Dan now I know fuh sure you on shit!!! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

wait I now see this......boatswain was mostly useless outside his comfort read PFL....what I remember of boatswain, was standing yards offside like ah deer in the headlights on every attack we had and frustrating d hell out d team...was ah WCQ game against costa rica annoying AF
nah mate I disagree.  boatswain is very frustrating to watch but the guy has a presence and he has managed to do what most forwards we had in the recent past has failed to do and that’s put himself about.

Watch winchester Caesar and plaza, these players are gone missing every time they play and you could barely tell we have forwards in a game, but boatswain is quite visible and though he’s offside most of the time ala stern john..........he finds himself in positions to receive the ball. Afrom my point of view boatswain is still young and given time with a good manager who could teach him to time his runs and stay on side, he could be a dangerous asset for us.

Stern couldn't read d line or lacked d concentration to continuously check d line....boatswain would STAND 3-4 yards offside apparently unaware of what it meant to be offside. :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

So lefty, what would you do as a coach of a good player with poor positioning and interpretation of the play in offside situations? Send him to the executioner? Toss him out as the baby with de bathwater?

come now seeker, of course u would seek to do the remedial work.....but doesn't it strike you as odd dat ah player....even with pro league seasoning...cannot recognize offside by two body lengths so consistently ::) and during build up to boot....remember he had quite a few CA trials failed and contract non-renewals, don't you feel that corrective measures would have been attempted then too. My feeling is dat like Levi, the level of our club\SSFL football hid deficiency behind incompetence and dereliction and that for many of our players that situation lasted way too long, jus sayin. In we football talent is "relative" in d worst way possible right now.

I have said it once and I will say it again, we should swallow we false pride and take ah page out ah USA playbook, practice to do d simple tings well, then practice to do d simple tings "fast fast" ;) :D and when we get dat dong, move on from dey......we have always been somewhat delusional about we level as it relates to football.

lemme ask yuh, 5 players in this era with decent and consistent touch and pass completion
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: lefty on July 07, 2019, 01:27:23 PM
copy and paste seeker ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on July 07, 2019, 05:26:57 PM
copy and paste seeker ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

Yeah boi, after a few failed attempts at posting ah had to make sure I wasn't on the road to a new rewrite. Literally lost sleep in the process.

Re: Boatswain

It might just have been enthusiasm to impact the match. He was gehhin a sweat he didn't expect to get.

Despite the frustrations, I agree with pullstones that he offered enterprise that was rarely evident in the form he delivered. We didn't have a like for like replacement for Kenwyne, so one would imagine that the attacking dynamics of that match changed immensely when KJ couldn't start. (Certainly the other consequence of KJ being a spectator is that we lost a presence on defending aerial balls played into the box.)

Which raises the question: does Arcia have a vertical jump of even 2 inches?

Ah see Dennis has apologised for Molino defending a 6 footer, then maybe he should apologise for whatever defensive assignment he assigned Arcia on defending corners ... because that was an epic fail!
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: lefty on July 07, 2019, 06:03:56 PM
copy and paste seeker ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

Yeah boi, after a few failed attempts at posting ah had to make sure I wasn't on the road to a new rewrite. Literally lost sleep in the process.

Re: Boatswain

It might just have been enthusiasm to impact the match. He was gehhin a sweat he didn't expect to get.

Despite the frustrations, I agree with pullstones that he offered enterprise that was rarely evident in the form he delivered. We didn't have a like for like replacement for Kenwyne, so one would imagine that the attacking dynamics of that match changed immensely when KJ couldn't start. (Certainly the other consequence of KJ being a spectator is that we lost a presence on defending aerial balls played into the box.)

Which raises the question: does Arcia have a vertical jump of even 2 inches?

Ah see Dennis has apologised for Molino defending a 6 footer, then maybe he should apologise for whatever defensive assignment he assigned Arcia on defending corners ... because that was an epic fail!

well maybe I was delirious with rage from all dem unforced offside but dais all I could recall about his game
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on August 15, 2019, 05:03:23 PM
Sol is available. ;D

@lefty, watch the movement of Quintero off that Molino pass ... not just exquisitely timed, but refined movement. Yuh favourite player would have gone galloping on a straight line. 
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: lefty on August 15, 2019, 06:49:41 PM
Sol is available. ;D

@lefty, watch the movement of Quintero off that Molino pass ... not just exquisitely timed, but refined movement. Yuh favourite player would have gone galloping on a straight line. 

running diagonally across d blind side of d backline is standard operating procedure for good modern mobile strikers these days (aguero/aubamayang), even more static target man does take up a more angular position to get room when d opposition holding ah good line and yes d positioning was good and d pass exquisite on dat goal :applause: molino
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: gawd on pitch on September 06, 2019, 04:47:24 PM
Respect to DL. But he need to the right thing and hand in his resignation.
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on September 12, 2019, 05:38:27 AM
When?
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: pull stones on September 12, 2019, 12:10:34 PM
Remember er that tv spin off series of breaking bad titled CALL SOL? Well can somebody call sol?
Title: Replace DL fast!
Post by: frico on September 12, 2019, 02:36:21 PM
DL is talking about inferior players,tell him to take a look at India,I have been following the Asian qualifying matches for the WC and India is getting some very good results.Their latest a few days ago was a 0-0 draw against Asian Champions Qatar,in Qatar to boot.I'll bet India's best players can't make a TT national team,but DL is indicating that he doesn't have good players,India was also without their 2 best players Sunil Chetri their star striker and  a midfielder.India's football is getting steadily better all because of a foreign coach,Igor Stimac,now that is what we must do,go find a Croatian or some other European coach.Our players are heading to India and they know why.The last time we played India we easily beat them,it won't be a walk in the park if we play them now.
Title: Re: Replace DL fast!
Post by: maxg on September 12, 2019, 03:13:29 PM
we don't have to go so far to find out our status..Latas and Jamal licking deh chops all now
Title: Re: Replace DL fast!
Post by: Trini _2022 on September 12, 2019, 08:18:19 PM
You sure Marcus joseph is scoring king across there after how many months of being inactive..
Title: Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on September 13, 2019, 06:12:00 AM

This is the current state of T&T football

https://www.facebook.com/TeamTrinbago/posts/126916485321203