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Sports => Football => Topic started by: Tallman on September 09, 2019, 09:39:30 PM
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As usual, any updates/scores, shout-outs, reports, predictions, views, etc, on the T&T vs Mexico game on the 2nd of October 2019 at the Toluca Estadio Nemesio Diez Stadium will be posted here, this way, we can maintain the message board and not make it look too scrappy with un-necessary or related headlines and postings on game day.
For the internet users, you can follow the game at:
To be updated.
Possible Online Streams.
To be updated.
Possible TV Station.
To be updated.
Trinidad & Tobago Squad
Goalkeepers
1.Marvin Phillip (Neroca FC—India), 21.Glenroy Samuel (La Horquetta Rangers), 22.Adrian Foncette (Police FC).
Defenders
3.Isaiah Garcia (W Connection), 2.Nicoholas Thomas (Club Sando), 18.Josiah Trimmingham (Club Sando), 5.Daneil Cyrus (Mohun Bagan AC—India), 6.Curtis Gonzales (Defence Force), 12.Carlyle Mitchell (San Juan Jabloteh), 17.Ross Russell Jr (La Horquetta Rangers).
Midfielders
14.Dwane James (Cunupia FC), 8.Aaron Lester (Defence Force), 19.Duane Muckette (Memphis 901 FC—US), 23.Leston Paul (Memphis 901 FC—US), 13.Aikim Andrews (La Horquetta Rangers), 10.Judah Garcia (Point Fortin Civic), 16.Adriel Kerr (Police FC), 7.Nathan Lewis (Langing Ignite—US), 19.Christian Thomas (Police FC).
Forwards
9.Nion Lammy (Club Sando), 15.Jameel Perry (Police FC).
Coach - Dennis Lawrence (TRI).
Mexico Squad
Goalkeepers
Raul Gudiño (Chivas), Sebastian Jurado (Veracruz), Jose Hernandez (Atlas).
Defenders
Alan Mozo (Pumas), Adrian Mora (Toluca), Ismael Govea (Atlas), Gerardo Arteaga (Santos), Vladimir Loroña (Tijuana), Jesus Angulo (Atlas), Cristian Calderon (Necaxa), Johan Vasquez (Monterrey), Luis Romo (Queretaro).
Midfielders
Jonathan Gonzalez (Monterrey), Erick Aguirre (Pachuca) , Sebastian Cordova (America), Francisco Venegas (Tigres), Joaquin Esquivel (FC Juarez), Jesus Ricardo Angulo (Necaxa), Ian Jairo Torres (Atlas), Adrian Lozano (Santos), Ivan Rodriguez (Leon).
Forwards
Jose Juan Macias (Leon), Paolo Yrizar (Queretaro), Jesus Godinez (Leon).
Coach - Gerardo "Tata" Martino
Updates to follow as we get more info, so keep checking back.
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So we take a local-based squad ... but we don't incorporate these players on official match dates ... not even when they are 23 years old! We play them when it doesn't matter but not when it does.
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Mexico set for non-FIFA date friendly against Trinidad and Tobago in Toluca
By Jon Arnold (goal.com)
Mexico's Concacaf Nations League preparations are coming together.
El Tri will face Trinidad and Tobago in an Oct. 2 friendly match at Toluca's Estadio Nemesio Diez, the FMF announced Wednesday.
The game is part of a doubleheader, with home team Toluca hosting Veracruz in a Copa MX game before the national team contest kicks off at 9:06 p.m.
With the match falling outside the FIFA dates, this game is the latest hint that manager Tata Martino will utilize the Nations League as a sandbox for young players yet to break into the top Mexico team. In August, he convened a mini-camp with players like U-20 World Cup veteran Jose Juan Macias and Veracruz goalkeeper Sebastian Jurado.
The Nations League will be used as qualification for the Gold Cup, but Mexico need only to finish above either group rival to lock up its place in the marquee Concacaf tournament, which it won this summer. El Tri's Nations League campaign kicks off in Bermuda before they return home to take on Panama. In the November window, they do the reverse, visiting Panama before hosting Bermuda.
The winner of the group, in addition to qualifying for the Gold Cup, moves into a four-team tournament set for June to determine the champion of the inaugural Nations League.
Mexico friendly games actually taking place in Mexico are somewhat rare thanks to a partnership with Soccer United Marketing to play a certain number of games in the United States each year. This will be the first friendly to take place in Mexico in 2019, with a pair of games in October 2018 the last time El Tri was in action in its home country.
The last time the national team played in Toluca was an October 13, 2015 friendly match against Panama, days after El Tri topped the U.S. in the Concacaf Cup.
So far this year, Mexico is undefeated, with Martino yet to oversee a loss since taking over the team in January. That record will be on the line in the September window, with a nearly full-strength squad called by Martino to take on the United States on Friday and Argentina on Sept. 10.
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Mexico set for non-FIFA date friendly against Trinidad and Tobago in Toluca
By Jon Arnold (goal.com)
Mexico's Concacaf Nations League preparations are coming together.
El Tri will face Trinidad and Tobago in an Oct. 2 friendly match at Toluca's Estadio Nemesio Diez, the FMF announced Wednesday.
The game is part of a doubleheader, with home team Toluca hosting Veracruz in a Copa MX game before the national team contest kicks off at 9:06 p.m.
With the match falling outside the FIFA dates, this game is the latest hint that manager Tata Martino will utilize the Nations League as a sandbox for young players yet to break into the top Mexico team. In August, he convened a mini-camp with players like U-20 World Cup veteran Jose Juan Macias and Veracruz goalkeeper Sebastian Jurado.
The Nations League will be used as qualification for the Gold Cup, but Mexico need only to finish above either group rival to lock up its place in the marquee Concacaf tournament, which it won this summer. El Tri's Nations League campaign kicks off in Bermuda before they return home to take on Panama. In the November window, they do the reverse, visiting Panama before hosting Bermuda.
The winner of the group, in addition to qualifying for the Gold Cup, moves into a four-team tournament set for June to determine the champion of the inaugural Nations League.
Mexico friendly games actually taking place in Mexico are somewhat rare thanks to a partnership with Soccer United Marketing to play a certain number of games in the United States each year. This will be the first friendly to take place in Mexico in 2019, with a pair of games in October 2018 the last time El Tri was in action in its home country.
The last time the national team played in Toluca was an October 13, 2015 friendly match against Panama, days after El Tri topped the U.S. in the Concacaf Cup.
So far this year, Mexico is undefeated, with Martino yet to oversee a loss since taking over the team in January. That record will be on the line in the September window, with a nearly full-strength squad called by Martino to take on the United States on Friday and Argentina on Sept. 10.
Boom!!! Same thing ah saying.
And just to expand on this, by way of similar example ... Fabián Coito, one of the most experienced junior NT coaches around, roped in Enrique Facusse from the University of Kentucky (GK) into Honduras' U-23s with a view to senior team progress/selection and it should be said that Coito comes from a tradition in which he has been immersed in cantera players, not college players.
As far as MEX being at home for the first time in a while, is that they made a treasure trove of $$$ from their foreign engagements that could be immersed in to sustaining programs for a notable period. What pray tell did the TTFA get?
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Tata's squad is going to be young. That being the case, it would be unfortunate, and perhaps unwise, if Trinidad and Tobago travels to Mexico with significantly older players. I'm being diplomatic.
The grandfather of the squad in training is 24 and he may not be in the mix in 16 days. Just saying ...
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So we take a local-based squad ... but we don't incorporate these players on official match dates ... not even when they are 23 years old! We play them when it doesn't matter but not when it does.
Why should we play them when it does matter given that they under perform when it doesn't matter? ???
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So we take a local-based squad ... but we don't incorporate these players on official match dates ... not even when they are 23 years old! We play them when it doesn't matter but not when it does.
Why should we play them when it does matter given that they under perform when it doesn't matter? ???
Good question.
I've advocated that specific younger players be included when it does matter. (1) In the case of those players I don't believe that qualitative or quantitative assessment of their individual performances reflects underperformance.
(2) The average age of the Mexico NT is about the same as our senior team (we are marginally older) and if we drill down to cast precise light, we'll find that whereas Mexico's most recent squad features 8 players age 23 or younger, we have only 4 players of that age and Mexico's goalkeeper cohort is older than ours (notable because GKs are not excluded from the average squad age).
(3) In terms of player succession planning, contingency planning (what Tata is using this friendly for), gathering experience under the relevant conditions in consequential matches, we are lagging ... in fact being lapped.
We play fewer matches on our international calendar than Mexico (through our own fault). We have no operational U22/23 programme, no reserve domestic league, no opportunity for the collective expression of this age group together and no proper progression or pathway into the MNT. We are stifling the talent that exists where underperformance is assessed on tactical nous, tactical discipline and player psychology. Where do we propose they get it at international level of they don't play? Our player export model is poor and it's not exclusively because there are not players who are export calibre.
I distinguish this opportunity versus El Tri from say ... Hart's tour to Peru, Uruguay and China or from going to SVG or Grenada on non-FIFA dates.
Sure, we could trek to Toluca with a known commodity of an older collective, but what would be the intrinsic value and benefit of that?
I'll stop there. Last night a 21 year old player resolved the Chivas-Atlas clásico and that player is not even included among the players Tata has in training today ... because he has granted that player incremental experience since the player's debut this year (5 or 6 matches over 6 months).
To be fair to DL, he is hunting in the right neck of the bush but it has taken him two years to move from taking to Ecuador an old player from the Super League (Keron Clarke at 31) to rhetoric about player quality without having materially changed the composition of the NT.
We don't get there by calling players in this category once and then onto the next unique appearance.
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"We don't get there by calling players in this category once and then onto the next unique appearance."
Agreed!
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Well said asylumseeker :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
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Mexico selects young squad for Trinidad and Tobago friendly
fmfstateofmind.com
Mexico released their callup for their October 2 match against Trinidad and Tobago in Toluca. Gerardo Martino has decided to give continuity to the young players he has been working with in training camps and made a list of players in which all but three are eligible for the U-23 team that will represent Mexico in the CONCACAF Olympic qualifiers to be held in Guadalajara next year.
The friendly is going be played in preparation for the CONCACAF Nations League, meaning Mexico will play the tournament with this mostly U-22 squad and use it as preparation for the Olympic qualifiers. This might be a risky thing, especially against a stronger experienced team like Panama if Mexico plans to make it to the Final to be held in June.
The squad is as follows:
Goalkeepers: Raul Gudiño (Chivas), Sebastian Jurado (Veracruz), Jose Hernandez (Atlas)
Defenders: Alan Mozo (Pumas), Adrian Mora (Toluca), Ismael Govea (Atlas), Gerardo Arteaga (Santos), Vladimir Loroña (Tijuana), Jesus Angulo (Atlas), Cristian Calderon (Necaxa), Johan Vasquez (Monterrey), Luis Romo (Queretaro)
Midfielders: Jonathan Gonzalez (Monterrey), Erick Aguirre (Pachuca) , Sebastian Cordova (America), Francisco Venegas (Tigres), Joaquin Esquivel (FC Juarez), Jesus Ricardo Angulo (Necaxa), Ian Jairo Torres (Atlas), Adrian Lozano (Santos), Ivan Rodriguez (Leon)
Forwards: Jose Juan Macias (Leon), Paolo Yrizar (Queretaro), Jesus Godinez (Leon)
As a single friendly, the list is a clear indication that Gerardo Martino is working with the youth. That said, it’s still unclear what this means for the U-23 team, and if Jaime Lozano will be working with Martino and and how much Martino will have to do with his team. If this is the team that plays the Nations League (which all signs point to) this would also mean that Lozano will have to be working with Martino, as he would not be able to work with the U-23 team during the October FIFA break.
The biggest question is if this is the start of working towards the U-23 team, were are the U-23 eligible players that play with the senior team. While it’s understandable why Euro-based players like Edson Alvarez and Diego Lainez might not be called in (as well as LA Galaxy’s Uriel Antuna), the fact that Carlos Rodriguez, Alexis Vega and Roberto Alvarado (all Liga MX-based) weren’t called up makes some wonder when are they going to be integrated into the team. The bigger question might be if they are even going to be part of this team or are they not going to be taken into account. If so, why?
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Expect more of the same tactics from DL and why not? he has very good job security from his boss DJW
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Is this game going to be played
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Is this game going to be played
Yes. The team left yesterday.
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squad list ?
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squad list ?
Nothing official has been published as yet, but the roster includes players like Marvin Phillip, Adrian Foncette, Carlyle Mitchell, Curtis Gonzales, Dwane James, Ross Russell Jr., and Judah Garcia.
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Game is tomorrow tho....
no squad list available???
Fuentes in the mix still?
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Trinidad and Tobago take on Mexico tomorrow night in Toluca
TTFA Media
Trinidad and Tobago’s Senior Men’s team arrived in Toluca on Monday evening ahead of Wednesday’s international friendly with Mexico which will be played at the Estadio Nemesio Diez at 10:06pm TT time (9:06 pm Mexican time).
Head Coach Dennis Lawrence and the majority of players arrived in Toluca on Monday with some arriving later in the night and defender Daneil Cyrus scheduled to come in later on Tuesday night.
Lawrence has included several home-based players along with the selection of US-based players Leston Paul, Duane Muckette and Nathan Lewis with Cyrus and goalkeeper Marvin Phillip, both based in India.
Both countries are preparing for upcoming CONCACAF Nations League matches with T&T facing Honduras a the Hasely Crawford Stadium on October 10th and Venezuela in a friendly in Caracas four days later and Mexico taking on Bermuda and Panama.
The base of Mexico’s roster selected by head coach Tata Martino are up-and-comers from Liga MX with other current senior team players being Chivas goalkeeper Raul Gudino, Santos Laguna left back Gerardo Arteaga, Atlas defender Jesus Angulo, Pachuca midfielder Erick Aguirre and Monterrey midfielder Jonathan Gonzales.
Trinidad and Tobago Squad
Goalkeepers:
Marvin Phillip (Neroca FC / India), Adrian Foncette (Police FC / T&T), Glenroy Samuel (La Horquetta Rangers / T&T)
Defenders:
Daneil Cyrus (Mohun Bagan AC / India), Carlyle Mitchell (La Horquetta Rangers / T&T), Curtis Gonzales (Defence Force / T&T), Dwane James (Cunupia FC / T&T), Josiah Trimmingham (Club Sando / T&T), Ross Russell Jr. (La Horquetta Rangers / T&T), Isaiah Garcia (W Connection / T&T)
Midfielders:
Leston Paul (Memphis 901 FC / USA), Nathan Lewis (Lansing Ignite FC / USA), Duane Muckette (Memphis 901 FC / USA), Judah Garcia (Point Fortin Civic Centre / T&T), Aikim Andrews (La Horquetta Rangers / T&T), Nicholas Thomas (Club Sando / T&T), Aaron Lester (Defence Force / T&T), Adriel Kerr (Police FC / T&T), Christian Thomas (Police FC / T&T)
Forwards:
Jameel Perry (Police FC / T&T), Nion Lammy (Club Sando / T&T)
Technical Staff
Head Coach: Dennis Lawrence
Assistant Coach: Stuart Charles-Fevrier
Assistant Coach: Stern John
Goalkeeper Coach: Ross Russell
Doctor: Akash Dhanai
Medic/Trainer: Dexter Thomas
Massage Therapist: Sion Cain
Equipment Manager: Michael Williams
Logistics Manager: Wayne Cunningham
Team Manager: Richard Piper
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I was going to go to this match, but I decided not to go. On balance, that choice appears to be the correct decision.
Jabloteh's 2018 U13s and Police FC's 2017 U13s had the privilege of touring the stadium in which the match will be played. Any of those young players should be particularly excited to see our colours represented on that field tomorrow night, knowing that they were right there themselves.
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Clearly if football playing on the moon or Mars, yuh HADDA call Cyrus. ::)
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Clearly if football playing on the moon or Mars, yuh HADDA call Cyrus. ::)
Also, Nathan Lewis could officially retire from football and he would still get call up. By my estimation, he hasn't played club ball in almost 6 months.
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TTFA have real
$ pesos to waste. Three GKs for a one-off match and one of the GKs yuh fly from India. Or is there another match scheduled between this one and Venezuela? And presumptively he's the starter. If not, why is he included? Perhaps there's something else afoot.
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Glenroy Samuel is he first choice at rangers ?
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TTFA have real $ pesos to waste. Three GKs for a one-off match and one of the GKs yuh fly from India. Or is there another match scheduled between this one and Venezuela? And presumptively he's the starter. If not, why is he included? Perhaps there's something else afoot.
I don't think Marvin has actually gone to India as yet.
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Glenroy Samuel is he first choice at rangers ?
Not sure. Jabari St. Hilaire seems to have started more games in the Ascension Tournament.
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TTFA have real $ pesos to waste. Three GKs for a one-off match and one of the GKs yuh fly from India. Or is there another match scheduled between this one and Venezuela? And presumptively he's the starter. If not, why is he included? Perhaps there's something else afoot.
I don't think Marvin has actually gone to India as yet.
That would be it.
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No room for Noah Powder boy?
Come on Lawrence.
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No room for Noah Powder boy?
Come on Lawrence.
You can give DL a pass this time, because Powder and Real Monarchs are playing today and are in prime contention for a playoff spot.
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what our players have with india ????now we goalie so if he keep a clean sheet in the I league he good to go ......
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what our players have with india ????now we goalie so if he keep a clean sheet in the I league he good to go ......
Marvin Phillip is the last player you should be casting any blame on in the TT squad. He has easily been one of our best and consistent performers for the past 5-7 games.
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Tallman what ever happen to gomez ?
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Once I don't see the name Willis Plaza there or I go just beat myself in frustration.
VB
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I think he's injured. Timely that you bring him up because within the last week ah put him on a shortlist for a Q & A.
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Tallman what ever happen to gomez ?
Recovering from a torn ACL in his right knee. Prior to the injury, he played the most minutes of any player at the club for the season.
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what our players have with india ????now we goalie so if he keep a clean sheet in the I league he good to go ......
Marvin Phillip is the last player you should be casting any blame on in the TT squad. He has easily been one of our best and consistent performers for the past 5-7 games.
you mean’t to say consistently allowing very soft savable goals in right? if not, then allow me to respectfully disagree. I being one of marvin’s biggest opponents and for good reasons, believe that marvin phillip a fair GK who at one time could have been a good GK had he went on to play in a note worthy league, but the guy played in the pro league all his career and never developed into anything but a fair GK, courses for horses.
allow me to name some of Marvin’s impediments and why he should call it a day on his very poor and unimpressive international career. to begin with, marvin is very poor on set pieces particularly corners. he never takes command of his area but instead allows anything to take place in his box.
Look at top notch GK around the world and the one place they take no prisoners is in their six yard box. these keepers push their defenders at the top of the six yard box leaving that area clear with room to attack the ball, our local GK on the other hand are in there bumping it up with attackers from the opposing team not clearing a pathway to attack the football, and it happened in the last game.
The corner that levi garcia headed unto danial carr’s boot should have been attacked by phillip and punched out, instead he stayed on his line. and that’s another impediment he has, he does not know when and not to stay on his line, and most of the times he concedes is when he tries to play last stopper instead of allowing his defenders to deal with the threat. the guy is a liability, what could i say.
ps. If it’s possible please research his record and see how many clean sheets he had in his whole career, i’m betting you’ll be astonished to find not many.
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Once I don't see the name Willis Plaza there or I go just beat myself in frustration.
VB
did he ever scored one single goal for us in a competitive game that mattered?
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As usual, any updates/scores, shout-outs, reports, predictions, views, etc, on the T&T vs Mexico game on the 2nd of October 2019 at the Toluca Estadio Nemesio Diez Stadium will be posted here, this way, we can maintain the message board and not make it look too scrappy with un-necessary or related headlines and postings on game day.
For the internet users, you can follow the game at:
To be updated.
Possible Online Streams.
To be updated.
Possible TV Station.
To be updated.
Trinidad & Tobago Squad
Goalkeepers
1.Marvin Phillip (Neroca FC—India), 21.Glenroy Samuel (La Horquetta Rangers), 22.Adrian Foncette (Police FC).
Defenders
3.Isaiah Garcia (W Connection), 2.Nicoholas Thomas (Club Sando), 18.Josiah Trimmingham (Club Sando), 5.Daneil Cyrus (Mohun Bagan AC—India), 6.Curtis Gonzales (Defence Force), 12.Carlyle Mitchell (San Juan Jabloteh), 17.Ross Russell Jr (La Horquetta Rangers).
Midfielders
14.Dwane James (Cunupia FC), 8.Aaron Lester (Defence Force), 19.Duane Muckette (Memphis 901 FC—US), 23.Leston Paul (Memphis 901 FC—US), 13.Aikim Andrews (La Horquetta Rangers), 10.Judah Garcia (Point Fortin Civic), 16.Adriel Kerr (Police FC), 7.Nathan Lewis (Langing Ignite—US), 19.Christian Thomas (Police FC).
Forwards
9.Nion Lammy (Club Sando), 15.Jameel Perry (Police FC).
Coach - Dennis Lawrence (TRI).
Mexico Squad
Goalkeepers
Raul Gudiño (Chivas), Sebastian Jurado (Veracruz), Jose Hernandez (Atlas).
Defenders
Alan Mozo (Pumas), Adrian Mora (Toluca), Ismael Govea (Atlas), Gerardo Arteaga (Santos), Vladimir Loroña (Tijuana), Jesus Angulo (Atlas), Cristian Calderon (Necaxa), Johan Vasquez (Monterrey), Luis Romo (Queretaro).
Midfielders
Jonathan Gonzalez (Monterrey), Erick Aguirre (Pachuca) , Sebastian Cordova (America), Francisco Venegas (Tigres), Joaquin Esquivel (FC Juarez), Jesus Ricardo Angulo (Necaxa), Ian Jairo Torres (Atlas), Adrian Lozano (Santos), Ivan Rodriguez (Leon).
Forwards
Jose Juan Macias (Leon), Paolo Yrizar (Queretaro), Jesus Godinez (Leon).
Coach - Gerardo "Tata" Martino
Updates to follow as we get more info, so keep checking back.
Possible Online Streams.
To be updated................?????????????
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Trinidad and Tobago's starting XI vs Mexico:
1. Marvin Phillip (capt.), 5. Daneil Cyrus, 9. Christian Thomas, 12. Carlyle Mitchell, 13. Aikim Andrews, 14. Dwane James, 15. Jameel Perry, 17. Ross Russell Jr., 19.Duane Muckette, 23. Leston Paul, 27. Nathan Lewis
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WATCH LIVE: Mexico vs Trinidad and Tobago. #MEXvTRI #InternationalFriendly #SocaWarriors
https://www.youtube.com/v/OjwncXvs9Pc
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Spectrum: unimas
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T&T look poised to collect 7 tonight.
>:(
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T&T letting Mexico play target practice. >:(
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T&T look poised to collect 7 tonight.
>:(
There's No. 1
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how shitty is Cyrus?
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God. Help. Us.
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GOAL (23'). José Juan Macías gives Mexico a 1-0 lead over Trinidad and Tobago.
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T&T look poised to collect 7 tonight.
>:(
There's No. 1
There's No. 2
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They dropping all the way back in the box, Cyrus is trash, marking air and giving Mexico loads of space, left side ALWAYS open, can't string 3 passes in a row...omg
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GOAL (31'): Jesús Ángulo doubles Mexico's advantage. Mexico 2-0 Trinidad and Tobago.
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HALF-TIME: Mexico 2-0 Trinidad and Tobago. Goals by José Juan Macías (23') and Jesús Ángulo (31').
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Wham to allyuh? So far Cyrus is Man of the Match: he's been involved with all de goals.
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Lets see how much the coach has progressed since the 6-0 rinsing we get from America in June. And how long DJW and his cronies can continue to keep up the shameless lie that 'we are making progress'.
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Wham to allyuh? So far Cyrus is Man of the Match: he's been involved with all de goals.
Lol.
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Final score?
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Final score?
Match in second half.
https://cndf129.blogspot.com/p/u-tdn.html?m=1
Try that.
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Finally, Judah Garcia!
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FULL-TIME: Mexico 2-0 Trinidad and Tobago. Goals by José Juan Macías (23') and Jesús Ángulo (31').
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Final score?
Match in second half.
https://cndf129.blogspot.com/p/u-tdn.html?m=1
Try that.
Thank you!
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Apart from 2 saves from Marvin, nothing to write home about.
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Good to see Judah Garcia. I noticed a bit of energy, skill and hustle from him when he came on.
No service from midfield
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Good to see Judah Garcia. I noticed a bit of energy, skill and hustle from him when he came on.
No service from midfield
When was the last time we had a midfield? It's always drop back, can't even counter attack, but blast the ball and hope the striker can get it and make a run. How far our football has dropped. Not even in top 100 fifa ranking and the rigged World Cup qualifying mess.
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Good to see Judah Garcia. I noticed a bit of energy, skill and hustle from him when he came on.
No service from midfield
When was the last time we had a midfield? It's always drop back, can't even counter attack, but blast the ball and hope the striker can get it and make a run. How far our football has dropped. Not even in top 100 fifa ranking and the rigged World Cup qualifying mess.
We are 2 places above India standing at 101,India 103.
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In a departure from tradition, I won't be making any substantive comments about the match. :)
What I want to know is, having seen the match, what do posters think about the pre-match assertion that this outing would have been a useful exercise and opportunity for expression for a core of younger/not often played/exposed T&T squad?
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Didn see d game last night, it came up on my forza alerts but didn stay on mih radar at all....but from what I readin d same issues persist, dis team need ah system, one dat specific to d players we have..we need figure out d good, bad and ugly department by department and find a way to use d first one to help solve d other 2. Long balls is not d issue here, "aimlessness" of said long balls is d issue it have real exercises to help man understand how to measure ah long ball...we eh doin dem apparently, composure under pressure is also something that seems in short supply, but I tink dais jus d trini in we, coolness under pressure is very "untrini"...we does panic easy...but I digress we need ah system, one dat look at what we have look at dem closely and put dem to work in such a way dat what good can be used to mitigate what not so good.
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Mexico beat Trinidad ahead of Nations League debut.
By Ana Paulina (en.as.com).
Mexico's experimental squad impressed against Trinidad and Tobago ahead of El Tri's debut in the CONCACAF Nations League.
Gerardo Martino fielded an experimental squad for the game against Trinidad and Tobago at Nemesio Díez in Toluca, the Mexican National team coach keen to observe young talent from the Liga MX with the CONCACAF Nations League in mind.
José Juan Macías proved his case in front of 'Tata' Martino as the Club Leon scorer opened the score for El Tri in a game that was mostly dominated by the locals, with The Soca Warriors fighting to contain Mexico's constant pressure.
The game was ultimately decided in the first half with Ricardo Angulo's goal to give Mexico a 2-0 lead, and with Trinidad compact in defense to focus on stopping El Tri's constant pressure up front, preventing from the game turning into a scoring party.
Goalkeeper Marvin Phillips had an excellent night for the Soca Warriors, making some fantastic saves to prevent Gerardo Martino's side from finding the back of the net more than twice.
Highlights - Resumen y Goles | Mexico 2 - 0 Trinidad and Tobago | Amistosos - Internacional | TUDN (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=FJM8llIGCw8)
Teams
Mexico Starting 1X - Raul Gudiño; Alan Mozo, Ismael Govea, Jesus Angulo, Cristian Calderon, Erick Aguirre, Ivan Rodriguez, Jesus Ricardo Angulo, Sebastian Cordova, Paolo Yrizar, Jose Juan Macias.
Subs Used: - Gerardo Arteaga, Ian Jairo Torres (Yellow), Jonathan Gonzalez, Jesus Godinez, Francisco Venegas, Johan Vasquez.
Coach - Gerardo Martino.
T&T Starting 1X - 1. Marvin Phillip (capt.), 5. Daneil Cyrus, 9. Christian Thomas, 12. Carlyle Mitchell, 13. Aikim Andrews, 14. Dwane James, 15. Jameel Perry, 17. Ross Russell Jr., 19.Duane Muckette, 23. Leston Paul, 27. Nathan Lewis.
Subs Used: - Isaiah Garcia, Judah Garcia, Aaron Lester (Yellow), Curtis Gonzales.
Coach - Dennis Lawrence.
Venue - Estadio Nemesio Díez Stadium, Mexico.
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Lawrence: ‘Mexico are phenomenal no matter what players they select’; T&T coach ‘proud’ of squad despite loss.
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Trinidad and Tobago Men’s National Senior Team head coach Dennis Lawrence expressed pride in his outfit’s showing in Toluca last night, despite being comprehensively outplayed in a 2-0 loss to a youthful Mexico team.
Mexico coach Gerardo ‘Tata’ Martino selected 19 debutantes in his 24-man squad of local-based players to face the Soca Warriors. Apart from 24-year-old defender Luis Roma and the 23-year-old pair of goalkeeper Raúl Gudiño and midfielder José Iván Rodríguez, the Mexico team comprised entirely of under-23 players.
Lawrence had only three players in Toluca from his starting team that drew 2-2 against Martinique last month, although goalkeeper Marvin Phillip, defenders Daneil Cyrus and Carlyle Mitchell, midfielder Lester Paul and flanker Nathan Lewis have over 225 international appearances combined.
The final stats showed that ‘El Tricolor’ had 75 per cent possession on Wednesday while they outshot the Soca Warriors 27-2, completed 561 passes to 193 from Lawrence’s men with the pass accuracy calculated as 91 per cent by the hosts and 63 per cent by the visitors.
Lawrence insisted, though, that Mexico have one of the best football teams in the world—no matter which individuals they put on the field.
“It was very difficult for the boys to come to Toluca and play against what I see as not just the number one team in CONCACAF but a world phenomenal football nation regardless of who was on the pitch on the night,” Lawrence told the TTFA Media. “I was later genuinely proud of the players for the way they approached the game, showing commitment and dedication in such conditions and environment. Now we head back home and go into camp on 7th [October] where I’ll have availability of all the boys from abroad and home to prepare for the next match against Honduras.”
The Warriors drew both Concacaf Nations League games against Martinique and must defeat Honduras home and away to be guaranteed a spot at the 2020 Concacaf Gold Cup and remain in contention for a place in the Concacaf Hex qualifying group for the Qatar 2022 World Cup.
At present, the Warriors are on a 12 match winless streak, which ties an unhappy record for the National Senior Team. Trinidad and Tobago’s last triumph under Lawrence came on 6 September 2018 when they beat United Arab Emirates 2-0 in Girona, Spain.
However, the former 2006 World Cup hero was able to find some positives from his team’s showing in Toluca.
“I felt in the first half we gave them too much respect by playing too deep and not getting close enough to put pressure on the ball,” said Lawrence, “and the biggest crime we were committing was giving away the ball too easily every time we got possession of it.
“In the second half, we managed to get on the ball a bit better. We didn’t cause Mexico major problems in attack but we managed to keep our shape and discipline for longer periods and I was pleased with the group for the effort in that regards.
“These boys faced a mammoth task and they stuck in and showed some real determination to go down 2-0 and then come back and manage the game in the second half and restrict them.”
Lawrence also backed veteran defender Daneil Cyrus who was caught in possession for Mexico’s opening goal, which came from attacker José Macías in the 23rd minute.
“I was pleased with players like Cyrus who only got off the plane late on Tuesday from a flight from Dubai,” said Lawrence, “and I know he made an error in the game which cost us but he showed a lot of dedication to keep going. We had a couple home-based players who showed that they definitely want to be part of the team for the next couple games and that was pleasing.
“For the group on a whole it was an experience they will definitely take in good stride going forward. The game gave us a good opportunity to have players like Nathan Lewis on the pitch after he hadn’t played a full 90 minutes since the US game [at the June Gold Cup].
“And there was Aikim Andrews, Jameel Perry and Judah Garcia who had an opportunity to get minutes in this type of situation. It was good to see these players in this kind of environment.”
One player who missed the chance to feature in Mexico is versatile Club Sando attacker Nion Lammy, who was hospitalised on Tuesday after falling ill in training. Lawrence has remained in Toluca with the player and hopes they can both travel home on Saturday.
At present, Lawrence’s record as national coach reads 30 games played with five wins, eight draws and 17 defeats. The Warriors are yet to win in this calendar year.
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WATCH: Match Highlights
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State of T&T football explained
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Look at where and how we gave away the ball on the first goal....
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Look at where and how we gave away the ball on the first goal....
when danial cyrus is a main stay on your squad then how on earth would you progress as a team? that bloke is a pure head case who wants to remind me of marvin andrews with some of the shenanigans he gets into on the pitch.
man like cyrus and bateau playing too long with loads of experience to be making such foolish errors in football. the last game vs martinique bateau headed a set price that was going out for a goal kick right back into play and across the face of his own goal at the feet of a matiniqan attacker for the equalizer, it was the perfect assist.
IMO these guys don’t come prepared to play their hearts out for their country, and I could be wrong but the level of intensity i see from some of these players certainly lack purpose. I believe we should go back to the USA game that kicked them out the world cup, all the big boys were either missing or on the bench including cyrus.
until a coach has the nerve to bench certain players regardless of their status we will be making noise about player performance. dennis lawrence you certainly shot yourself in the leg imo when you went back to marvin phillip, you would’ve been better off with jan Micheal Williams than this Phillips bloke. in that man’s who international career i doubt if he even has five clean sheets. very poor choice dennis very poor choice.
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Look at where and how we gave away the ball on the first goal....
when danial cyrus is a main stay on your squad then how on earth would you progress as a team? that bloke is a pure head case who wants to remind me of marvin andrews with some of the shenanigans he gets into on the pitch.
man like cyrus and bateau playing too long with loads of experience to be making such foolish errors in football. the last game vs martinique bateau headed a set price that was going out for a goal kick right back into play and across the face of his own goal at the feet of a matiniqan attacker for the equalizer, it was the perfect assist.
IMO these guys don’t come prepared to play their hearts out for their country, and I could be wrong but the level of intensity i see from some of these players certainly lack purpose. I believe we should go back to the USA game that kicked them out the world cup, all the big boys were either missing or on the bench including cyrus.
until a coach has the nerve to bench certain players regardless of their status we will be making noise about player performance. dennis lawrence you certainly shot yourself in the leg imo when you went back to marvin phillip, you would’ve been better off with jan Micheal Williams than this Phillips bloke. in that man’s who international career i doubt if he even has five clean sheets. very poor choice dennis very poor choice.
You seem to be attributing our defeat mainly to Cyrus and more so, Marvin Phillip. Yes?
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Mexico beat us 2 -0 with a youthful team but they are powerhouses in the region and we were playing without some starters,I would put it down as a reasonable result.DL is trying to get TT to be at least,a good team in defence and who can blame him,we have been a bad defensive team from as far back as I can remember,had we tried to compete with the Mexicans we wudda collect 10 or more,so good job by the team and DL.Maybe if we had our best team we could have a go but I agree with DL.
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Let us not forget that to progress in the NL and rankings and to get to qualifying, WE need goals. Scoring goals changes the defensive posture of the OTHER TEAM.
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Allyuh could jump on Cyrus and Marvin all allyuh want. We had no quality on the midfield. Judah is a breath of fresh air, but he had no service from the middle. He will be ineffective in the future if this does not change. Hart was right when he said we lack players with speed, ball control and who can simultaneously dribble. So go ahead pong Cyrus and Marvin, if that making allyuh feel better.
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Allyuh could jump on Cyrus and Marvin all allyuh want. We had no quality on the midfield. Judah is a breath of fresh air, but he had no service from the middle. He will be ineffective in the future if this does not change. Hart was right when he said we lack players with speed, ball control and who can simultaneously dribble. So go ahead pong Cyrus and Marvin, if that making allyuh feel better.
Buh ent Cyrus, Marvin and the midfield are 3 separate issues?
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The more I see DL coach the more disappointed I get I expected to see Judah Garcia play no less than 60 minutes instead to see the player come on the field after 75 minutes only after a player is injured is depressing and to have him play as a forward made no sense to me.
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The more I see DL coach the more disappointed I get I expected to see Judah Garcia play no less than 60 minutes instead to see the player come on the field after 75 minutes only after a player is injured is depressing and to have him play as a forward made no sense to me.
:applause:
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Look at where and how we gave away the ball on the first goal....
when danial cyrus is a main stay on your squad then how on earth would you progress as a team? that bloke is a pure head case who wants to remind me of marvin andrews with some of the shenanigans he gets into on the pitch.
man like cyrus and bateau playing too long with loads of experience to be making such foolish errors in football. the last game vs martinique bateau headed a set price that was going out for a goal kick right back into play and across the face of his own goal at the feet of a matiniqan attacker for the equalizer, it was the perfect assist.
IMO these guys don’t come prepared to play their hearts out for their country, and I could be wrong but the level of intensity i see from some of these players certainly lack purpose. I believe we should go back to the USA game that kicked them out the world cup, all the big boys were either missing or on the bench including cyrus.
until a coach has the nerve to bench certain players regardless of their status we will be making noise about player performance. dennis lawrence you certainly shot yourself in the leg imo when you went back to marvin phillip, you would’ve been better off with jan Micheal Williams than this Phillips bloke. in that man’s who international career i doubt if he even has five clean sheets. very poor choice dennis very poor choice.
You seem to be attributing our defeat mainly to Cyrus and more so, Marvin Phillip. Yes?
yes i am.
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Allyuh could jump on Cyrus and Marvin all allyuh want. We had no quality on the midfield. Judah is a breath of fresh air, but he had no service from the middle. He will be ineffective in the future if this does not change. Hart was right when he said we lack players with speed, ball control and who can simultaneously dribble. So go ahead pong Cyrus and Marvin, if that making allyuh feel better.
deeks please open your eyes. we had a good showing against both Mexico and america in our last two games in the hex and I believe the reason for that was because the coach had no need for the top players and wanted to give fringe players a chance. in those two games we played with purpose and gave a good account of ourselves. so it baffles me when lawrence went right back to a losing formula when he was getting positive results using younger hungrier players.
IMO players like cyrus and phillip are not international brand players and should not continue with the national team, as a matter of fact I don’t know what the hell got into phillip when he decided to come back into the national set up after he initially walked away, but for certain we are better off without both him and cyrus that’s for sure.
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Let us not forget that to progress in the NL and rankings and to get to qualifying, WE need goals. Scoring goals changes the defensive posture of the OTHER TEAM.
Do you think we consistently play a brand where we possess the ball in our half way to much with players almost stagnant in advanced positions?
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Let us not forget that to progress in the NL and rankings and to get to qualifying, WE need goals. Scoring goals changes the defensive posture of the OTHER TEAM.
Do you think we consistently play a brand where we possess the ball in our half way to much with players almost stagnant in advanced positions?
Even out of possession it is not a given that we need to be that physically present in our half, but if you concede space to the opposition ... don't be surprised when they attack the entire space you concede without any real necessity of trying to get in behind. I guarantee that at NO time was Tata Martino challenged or concerned and I submit that that was not because of only a gulf in class between the teams ... there was a gulf in class in thought and approach and ambition standing in the technical area.
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Let us not forget that to progress in the NL and rankings and to get to qualifying, WE need goals. Scoring goals changes the defensive posture of the OTHER TEAM.
Do you think we consistently play a brand where we possess the ball in our half way to much with players almost stagnant in advanced positions?
Consider this: If scoring goals changes the defensive posture of the opponent, what does attempting to score goals do?
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“I felt in the first half we gave them too much respect by playing too deep and not getting close enough to put pressure on the ball,” said Lawrence, “and the biggest crime we were committing was giving away the ball too easily every time we got possession of it.
How does that happen?
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FULL MATCH STATISTICS (https://en.as.com/resultados/futbol/amistosos/2019/directo/amistosos_a_1_300835/estadisticas/): Mexico vs Trinidad and Tobago.
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We setup does be weird especially in defensive midfield we play ah single pivot..he does get isolated with d backline, we play ah double pivot they are always caught either not shielding the defense or not supporting d attack in any useful way...leston was often guilty of both....and kevan would get suck in/pulled out AND BIG GAP...honestly and ah know it scary for we, but I feel we should play ah high line... sit d defense on\around d halfline when we push up to try and mitigate dat shit, but dat will probably introduce ah nex set ah issues with we legendary knack for concentration loss.
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Shit coach = shitty team it’s that simple. Lawrence is pure shit without sol Campbell and the other English bloke.
now i understand what madman contro was on about, it’s quite probable that this ugly fat creep from W connection really sabotaged the team, maybe for money as mad contro reiterated. whatever it is, this connection man has set football back in this country 10 bloody years if not more.
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I just saw the extended highlights. It might be biased, however how can one blame any of the defensive players and goalie, especially Cyrus and Phillips, is totally beyond me. Mexico seemed to have a one way highway towards our goal, we lucky to only get 2. How many times they reach our defense and the amount of times our goalkeeper had to be called into action is ridiculously to many times. And yet ppl of the opinion is 2 members of that last line fault we lost. Pull stones you can’t be serious. That’s can only be some serious haterade dem 2 fellas give yuh. And free too, ain’t costing you nutten. Throw it way man. ;)
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Let us not forget that to progress in the NL and rankings and to get to qualifying, WE need goals. Scoring goals changes the defensive posture of the OTHER TEAM.
Do you think we consistently play a brand where we possess the ball in our half way to much with players almost stagnant in advanced positions?
Consider this: If scoring goals changes the defensive posture of the opponent, what does attempting to score goals do?
It forces them to drop back in their half and allows our team to advance.
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Let us not forget that to progress in the NL and rankings and to get to qualifying, WE need goals. Scoring goals changes the defensive posture of the OTHER TEAM.
Do you think we consistently play a brand where we possess the ball in our half way to much with players almost stagnant in advanced positions?
Consider this: If scoring goals changes the defensive posture of the opponent, what does attempting to score goals do?
It forces them to drop back in their half and allows our team to advance.
At this stage of the dance, maybe DL is concerned about not losing matches, rather than about winning them.
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Let us not forget that to progress in the NL and rankings and to get to qualifying, WE need goals. Scoring goals changes the defensive posture of the OTHER TEAM.
Do you think we consistently play a brand where we possess the ball in our half way to much with players almost stagnant in advanced positions?
Consider this: If scoring goals changes the defensive posture of the opponent, what does attempting to score goals do?
It forces them to drop back in their half and allows our team to advance.
At this stage of the dance, maybe DL is concerned about not losing matches, rather than about winning them.
It sure looks like that. We play too careful not taking risks in the midfield to go forward and it often costs us from errors and pressure from opponents in our half. At this stage of the dance we need to play like we want to win!
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“I was pleased with players like Cyrus who only got off the plane late on Tuesday from a flight from Dubai,” said Lawrence, “and I know he made an error in the game which cost us but he showed a lot of dedication to keep going. We had a couple home-based players who showed that they definitely want to be part of the team for the next couple games and that was pleasing.
Interesting that putting Cyrus on a 30 hour expedition is used as both a shield and a sword. DL is a Jedi boss.
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In a departure from tradition, I won't be making any substantive comments about the match. :)
What I want to know is, having seen the match, what do posters think about the pre-match assertion that this outing would have been a useful exercise and opportunity for expression for a core of younger/not often played/exposed T&T squad?
Well now that Tata has seen the goods up close and personal, he would be salivating to see Cyrus at CB again, ent? :devil:
Glenroy Samuel (since he is the chosen 3rd) in goal with ah Denzil Smith in tow? Judah on the field for a longer period. Other young and hungry ballers ... we would have learned something new, not confirmed everything we knew. Ah mean, Marvin was Marvin and Cyrus was Cyrus and DL was DL.
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FULL MATCH STATISTICS (https://en.as.com/resultados/futbol/amistosos/2019/directo/amistosos_a_1_300835/estadisticas/): Mexico vs Trinidad and Tobago.
Mexico "covered" our recoveries. When we regained possession, they essentially won the ball back in no time.
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Ah good counter-pressing team will always give we team beans :'(
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Allyuh could jump on Cyrus and Marvin all allyuh want. We had no quality on the midfield. Judah is a breath of fresh air, but he had no service from the middle. He will be ineffective in the future if this does not change. Hart was right when he said we lack players with speed, ball control and who can simultaneously dribble. So go ahead pong Cyrus and Marvin, if that making allyuh feel better.
Good post. You could see that Cyrus looked exhausted from early in the game. IMO he never lived up to early expectations after back to back youth world cups. But this doesn't mean he is 'shit'. And he alone was not solely responsible for our dismal play and conceding serious real estate to Mexico, especially in the 1st half.
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Mexico beat us 2 -0 with a youthful team but they are powerhouses in the region and we were playing without some starters,I would put it down as a reasonable result.DL is trying to get TT to be at least,a good team in defence and who can blame him,we have been a bad defensive team from as far back as I can remember,had we tried to compete with the Mexicans we wudda collect 10 or more,so good job by the team and DL.Maybe if we had our best team we could have a go but I agree with DL.
oh really our best team? what would that team look like? same team from the Gold Cup coached by DL? How did that experiement end?
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Ah good counter-pressing team will always give we team beans :'(
lefty, yuh going too far. Counterpressing against us?
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Ah good counter-pressing team will always give we team beans :'(
lefty, yuh going too far. Counterpressing against us?
our inability to counter attack doesn't exclude us from being counter pressed who bothering to wait to find out when it very evident we cyar handle pressure...when ah man could easily take 5 and 6 indecisive touch in SSFL and pro league before ah marker goh even contemplate shuttin him dong, you tink dem expecting dem mexican to be nipping at dey heels, cyah prepare for shit yuh never see or experience, india is we level...... man going central america and being shocked at d pace ah d game over dey :cursing:
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on dem two goal two defenders either side and nobody make ah effort to get stuck in until it too late :cursing:
dis team need academy level remedial work :banginghead: :banginghead: :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
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Ah good counter-pressing team will always give we team beans :'(
lefty, yuh going too far. Counterpressing against us?
our inability to counter attack doesn't exclude us from being counter pressed who bothering to wait to find out when it very evident we cyar handle pressure...when ah man could easily take 5 and 6 indecisive touch in SSFL and pro league before ah marker goh even contemplate shuttin him dong, you tink dem expecting dem mexican to be nipping at dey heels, cyah prepare for shit yuh never see or experience, india is we level...... man going central america and being shocked at d pace ah d game over dey :cursing:
So, thinking about DL's tenure ... which teams have counterpressed us?
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... we would have learned something new, not confirmed everything we knew. Ah mean, Marvin was Marvin and Cyrus was Cyrus and DL was DL.
That might be so..yet it can't be no coincidence certain fellas have been selected and played by every TT coach in their (the players) time.. i know some fellas does practice real good and hard like Messi, till the pressure hit them.. btw would like to see the greatest footballer today say a Messi or Ronaldo - not looking for argument - play a CB, with the rest of TT present crop in front ah dem. as a matter of fact, given Liverpool whole back line , goalie and our rest up front, bet we could still lose to Bahamas on a Bahamian non hurricane day. Not puttin nothing pass DL, expecting anything !
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Ah good counter-pressing team will always give we team beans :'(
lefty, yuh going too far. Counterpressing against us?
our inability to counter attack doesn't exclude us from being counter pressed who bothering to wait to find out when it very evident we cyar handle pressure...when ah man could easily take 5 and 6 indecisive touch in SSFL and pro league before ah marker goh even contemplate shuttin him dong, you tink dem expecting dem mexican to be nipping at dey heels, cyah prepare for shit yuh never see or experience, india is we level...... man going central america and being shocked at d pace ah d game over dey :cursing:
So, thinking about DL's tenure ... which teams have counterpressed us?
well considering dat we cyar even counter good but from what I saw they were really backing off us when we won the ball although highlights are short...full game might say something different
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... we would have learned something new, not confirmed everything we knew. Ah mean, Marvin was Marvin and Cyrus was Cyrus and DL was DL.
That might be so..yet it can't be no coincidence certain fellas have been selected and played by every TT coach in their (the players) time.. i know some fellas does practice real good and hard like Messi, till the pressure hit them.. btw would like to see the greatest footballer today say a Messi or Ronaldo - not looking for argument - play a CB, with the rest of TT present crop in front ah dem. as a matter of fact, given Liverpool whole back line , goalie and our rest up front, bet we could still lose to Bahamas on a Bahamian non hurricane day. Not puttin nothing pass DL, expecting anything!
What I'm saying is: who did the match prepare for Honduras? And did the match prepare us for Honduras?
And let's say we do qualify for the Hex, are the pensioners on the team going to be the ones playing the WC?
By the way, let me pose this ... Cyrus loses the ball in the middle of the park. Fair enough, it was a concentration error ... he was preparing the ball for service upfield and he misjudged the conditions. It happens. It's an action he does with frequency because that's one of DL's tools for building play. An attentive poacher and an astute observer would notice the pattern. Fair enough. But then Cyrus had two subsequent opportunities to nix de play. The best players in the world would have fouled Macias once they recovered. Then, why does Cyrus backpedal to allow the player room as he approached the penalty area? Maybe his sluggish decision-making is a product of flying from India to Mexico. Who decided to bring him that distance?
I fairly sure that a CB partnership of Mitchell and Gonzales could have sufficed.
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I fairly sure that a CB partnership of Mitchell and Gonzales could have sufficed.
I would have liked to see Mitchell and Gonzales. But the coach has confidence in Cyrus.
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It took me a while to realize that dennis was in over his head until we went to the gold cup or should i say the “GOAL CUP”. this man is clearly one of the most clueless of all TT coaches yet he’s still employed. I could only hope that our federation would hit the ground running as soon as they rid the nation of this cancerous fat man DJW by restructuring football and getting all the right people in the right places.
as it stands we need lots of developmental programs for coaches, referees, and children academies, we just cannot continue to rely on the SSFL anymore to supply us with future national players because we have seen clearly where that does not work.
our lads for years have travelled to central america and the united states to compete on every level from U15 - U23, and against their leagues best at the concacaf’s champions league and they were clearly head and shoulders above us in every aspect. then we fast forward to the senior international level and nothing’s changed, so where are we going wrong, are we so mindless to think that we don’t need help, and fast?
I have been observing certain attitudes since DJW took charge and i came to the conclusion that a lot of these ballers are not interested in representing the team. players like guerra always have an excuse not to play, bateau has been excusing himself in very important games so is mikel Williams and jovin jones. i strongly believe these boys are not giving their all and for very good reasons known only to them.
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I fairly sure that a CB partnership of Mitchell and Gonzales could have sufficed.
I would have liked to see Mitchell and Gonzales. But the coach has confidence in Cyrus.
as i stated, the amount of raids on our defense/goal, don't think any fullback defenders would have made a significant difference to a negative scoreline. The coach needs to coach tactics to either defend higher up the field or make selections that will have more successes on counters and open field play. Given the last year demonstrations, i don't think he is capable. The difference of coaching a club minor or even 1st / 2nd tier team, is the players are relatively constant and can be worked with daily for the better part of a year. With country, in many cases you have days and rarely the exact players. Therefore all things considered, selection to suite the coaches style becomes very important. Yet a year or two should be enough time to establish system, strategies and policies, if selecting the correct balance of age, ability and experience.
add: Maybe given additional years he will get it right ??? Is football, one never know what/who/when things would actually work or fall into place, otherwise the World Cup would stay in the same country every 4 years.
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I fairly sure that a CB partnership of Mitchell and Gonzales could have sufficed.
I would have liked to see Mitchell and Gonzales. But the coach has confidence in Cyrus.
as i stated, the amount of raids on our defense/goal, don't think any fullback defenders would have made a significant difference to a negative scoreline. The coach needs to coach tactics to either defend higher up the field or make selections that will have more successes on counters and open field play. Given the last year demonstrations, i don't think he is capable. The difference of coaching a club minor or even 1st / 2nd tier team, is the players are relatively constant and can be worked with daily for the better part of a year. With country, in many cases you have days and rarely the exact players. Therefore all things considered, selection to suite the coaches style becomes very important. Yet a year or two should be enough time to establish system, strategies and policies, if selecting the correct balance of age, ability and experience.
add: Maybe given additional years he will get it right ??? Is football, one never know what/who/when things would actually work or fall into place, otherwise the World Cup would stay in the same country every 4 years.
Largely agree.
And regarding the CB pairing the contention is not necessarily that Mitchell and Gonzales would have avoided a negative scoreline, but that they would have sufficed ... at least could have done/would have done no worse.
Cyrus and Mitchell were paired for the Japan match (0-0), so perhaps this was influential in DL's conclusion ... but, of course, that abstracts away all the other considerations ... different midfield, different team composition generally.
To my assessment, Mitchell and Gonzales have not been paired since Hutson Charles rolled them out during his tenure (interestingly including a match vs Stephen Hart's Canada). They were also used as a pair when the coaching staff was Charles-Shabazz-King, in the Caribbean Cup semi-final that assured us Gold Cup qualification.
Gonzales received very positive reviews during the Ascension tournament and I think Cyrus missed Mohun Bagan's match vs Kaligat on September 29, probably to accommodate his participation in Mexico on October 2 Seems like a lot of hoops to make that sweat in Mexico.
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Let’s talk midfield. dennis lawrence does not have to suffer if he doesn’t want too, at least in that department. he has at his disposal naval hackshaw who’s better than anything we have right now in center mid, if he pairs up hackshaw with hyland then hackshaw could play a more creative role in the midfield while hyland could be more of a stopper ball winner midfielder, and we already know hackshaw can defend because lawrence used him as a left back in the gold cup.
this lawrence man is starting two tackling ball winning center mids who has no assist to their name from day one, kavan george has no goals and no assist, leston Paul in the same boat with zero goals and not one single assist, yet lawrence continues to pair the both in midfield and depends on the wingers like garcia and Nathan Lewis (two beatsers who 90% of the time tries to beat the whole flank and loses the ball), then when that doesn’t work he suits up jovin jones to create a miracle. this man needs to ride out, he’s found out.
I simply can’t watch another one of dennis games. the man has learned nothing about his team in two years, just players who could bearly hold on to possession and lumps the ball to no one when under pressure often turning over possession, this kind of football is very hard on the nerves. please dennis if you have any pride you would give it up. you not ready yet.
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Let’s talk midfield. dennis lawrence does not have to suffer if he doesn’t want too, at least in that department. he has at his disposal naval hackshaw who’s better than anything we have right now in center mid, if he pairs up hackshaw with hyland then hackshaw could play a more creative role in the midfield while hyland could be more of a stopper ball winner midfielder, and we already know hackshaw can defend because lawrence used him as a left back in the gold cup.
this lawrence man is starting two tackling ball winning center mids who has no assist to their name from day one, kavan george has no goals and no assist, leston Paul in the same boat with zero goals and not one single assist, yet lawrence continues to pair the both in midfield and depends on the wingers like garcia and Nathan Lewis (two beatsers who 90% of the time tries to beat the whole flank and loses the ball), then when that doesn’t work he suits up jovin jones to create a miracle. this man needs to ride out, he’s found out.
I simply can’t watch another one of dennis games. the man has learned nothing about his team in two years, just players who could bearly hold on to possession and lumps the ball to no one when under pressure often turning over possession, this kind of football is very hard on the nerves. please dennis if you have any pride you would give it up. you not ready yet.
yuh pivots not really there to provide goals and arguably, assists their job is to shield the defense and provide linkage between defense and attack d problem with we pivot players is dat none seem to be very competent passers beyond a certain range.....an example chelsea boo boy of last year Jorginho is one of our best players this year 1 goal, 1 assist yet he is now the glue that holds everything together even get vice captain but for passing and linking :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:....Kevan is we best ball winner from even Hart days and was considered very important to d gold cup success we had d first time around...but doh depend on him to give yuh defense splitting passes yuh wasting yuh time dey kevan needs outlets dat easy....dat mean d wingers hadda come short or d CAM/CM drop deep or whatever to give him said outlets. but d point is criticizing defensive mids for goals and assists is kinda shortsighted.
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WATCH: Discussing the loss.
https://www.youtube.com/v/uXhQy0XGjlk
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Well said Tman. However on the topic of players taking adopting a professional responsibility , although I totally agree, I believe that the coach’s selection should partially include this criteria. DL is not new to the game, culture or country. He should be able to recognize from camps and proper scouting the athletes that are ready physically and mentally that are capable of executing his instructions. So I won’t at this level fault the selectees as much as I do the selectors. Some guys practice great and shrivel under the bright lights. Not entirely their fault, could be lack of mental preparation or training or simply not ready. Yet given the results and performance, obviously some players can’t be executing his instructions- he can’t be telling them bad pass when yuh bun-. Yet we keep getting on average the same performance. This indicates to me, he is not capable of making proper selections, given I am unable to comment on his tactics, which I’m not privy to and unable to discern from watching any of our games. Besides I don’t have that level of football IQ, to figure what our National team is ever trying to do. 1 shot vs 29. I really don’t know
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Lasana, regarding this match ... it wasn't played at sea level. Toluca is an uphill drive from Mexico City.
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Lasana, regarding this match ... it wasn't played at sea level. Toluca is an uphill drive from Mexico City.
Yep, it is uphill alright. Mexico city is 7382 ft. Toluca is 8750 ft above sea level. Meh buddies who were on the MNT to the 75 PanAm games told me of a hilarious incident. TT playing the first game against Mex. in Toluca. They said that a player made about 3 runs up and down the left side. After that he was bawling, " coach, oxygen, oxygen .... ". And lost 6-1. Beat US 1-0.
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Lasana, regarding this match ... it wasn't played at sea level. Toluca is an uphill drive from Mexico City.
Yep, it is uphill alright. Mexico city is 7382 ft. Toluca is 8750 ft above sea level. Meh buddies who were on the MNT to the 75 PanAm games told me of a hilarious incident. TT playing the first game against Mex. in Toluca. They said that a player made about 3 runs up and down the left side. After that he was bawling, " coach, oxygen, oxygen .... ". And lost 6-1. Beat US 1-0.
At least in the 70s the air pollution level would have been lower. These days he might get 1 run instead of 3. :)