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Sports => Football => Topic started by: Tallman on September 26, 2019, 05:32:06 AM
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As usual, any updates/scores, shout-outs, reports, predictions, views, etc, on the T&T vs Venezuela game on the 29th of May 2019 will be posted here, this way, we can maintain the message board and not make it look too scrappy with un-necessary or related headlines and postings on game day.
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Trinidad & Tobago Squad
Goalkeepers:
Glenroy Samuel (Terminix La Horquetta Rangers), Adrian Foncette (Police FC).
Defenders:
Alvin Jones (OKC Energy FC—US), Mekeil Williams (OKC Energy FC—US), Aikim Andrews (La Horquetta Rangers), Sheldon Bateau (Mechelen—Belgium), Ross Russell Jr (La Horquetta Rangers), Aubrey David (Deportivo Saprissa—Costa Rica), Keston Julien (AS Trencin—Slovakia).
Midfielders:
Aaron Lester (Defence Force), Duane Muckette (Memphis 901 FC—US), Leston Paul (Memphis 901 FC—US), Kevan George (Charlotte Independence—US), Neveal Hackshaw (Indy Eleven—US), Andre Fortune (North Carolina—US), Levi Garcia (Beitar Jerusalem—Israel), Ataulla Guerra (Charleston Battery FC—US).
Forwards:
Daniel Carr (Apollon—Cyprus), Akeem Garcia (HFX Wanderers—Canada), Marcus Joseph (Gokulam Kerala—India).
Coach - Dennis Lawrence (TRI).
Venezuela Squad
Goalkeepers
Wuilker Fariñez (Millonarios F.C. / Colombia) y Rafael Romo (Apoel / Cyprus).
Defenders
Rolf Feltscher (LA Galaxy / United States), Ronald Hernández (Stabaek / Norway), Nahuel Ferraresi (Porto B / Portugal), Jhon Chancellor (Brescia / Italy), Wilker Ángel (Grozny / Russia), Yordan Osorio (Zenit de St Petersburgo / Russia), Mikel Villanueva (Málaga / Spain), Luis Mago (Palestino / Chile), Bernardo Añor (Caracas F.C.), Roberto Rosales (C.D. Leganés / Spain).
Midfielders
Renzo Zambrano (Portland Timbers / Estados Unidos), José Martínez (Zulia F.C.), Bernaldo Manzano (Deportes Tolima / Colombia), Júnior Moreno (D.C. United / United States), Tomás Rincón (Torino / Italy), Yangel Herrera (Granada / Spain), Sergio Córdova (Augsburgo / Alemania), Jhon Murillo (C.D. Tondela / Portugal), Jefferson Savarino (Real Salt Lake / United States), Rómulo Otero (Atlético Mineiro / Brasil), Juan Pablo Añor (Málaga / Spain), Yeferson Soteldo (Santos / Brasil), Darwin Machís (Granada / España)
Forwards
Salomón Rondón (Dalian Yifang / China), Jan Hurtado (Boca Juniors / Argentina), Jhonder Cádiz (Dijion FCO / France), Andrés Ponce (Grozny / Russia), Fernando Aristeguieta (Monarcas Morelia / México)
Coach - Rafael Dudamel (VEN).
Updates to follow as we get more info, so keep checking back.
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Venezuela to host Trinidad and Tobago in friendly
xinhuanet.com
Venezuela will play Trinidad and Tobago in a friendly next month as part of their preparations for the 2022 World Cup qualifiers, the South American country's football federation said on Monday.
The clash will take place at Estadio Olimpico in Caracas on October 14, four days after a previously announced duel with Bolivia at the same venue.
In November, the Vinotinto will meet Japan in Osaka and another yet to be confirmed opponent in their last outings before the South American zone World Cup qualifiers begin next March.
Venezuela are currently 26th in the FIFA rankings and are the only South American team to have never qualified for the World Cup finals.
Trinidad and Tobago, whose only appearance in football's showpiece event was in 2006, are currently ranked 100th.
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Venezuela name squad to face T&T
By Grevic Alvarado (T&T Newsday)
THE Venezuelan national football team, yesterday, announced the squad that will face T&T in Caracas, on October 14 in a friendly match.
Venezuelan coach Rafael Dudamel called up several players who play for in clubs in Europe.
The clash will take place at the Olympic Stadium of the University City of Caracas, with a capacity for 35,200 spectators, as part of the preparation of both teams for the World Cup qualifiers in Qatar 2022.
This will be the second preparatory match for Venezuela in October.
The Venezuelan football association also confirmed another match at the same venue on October 10 against Bolivia.
Venezuela, which currently occupy box 26 in the FIFA rankings, are the only South American country that have not attended a World Cup.
But T&T have played at the World Cup in Germany 2006 and on the way to Russia 2018, it took the last place in the final hexagonal of the Concacaf, which delivered three direct tickets to the teams of Mexico, Costa Rica and Panama.
T&T will also play against Mexico in the city of Toluca on October 2, then Honduras at Hasely Crawford Stadium on October 10 for the Concacaf League of Nations.
Venezuelan squad:
Goalkeepers: Wuilker Fariñez and Rafael Romo
Defenders: Rolf Feltscher, Ronald Hernández, Nahuel Ferraresi, Jhon Chancellor, Wilker Angel, Yordan Osorio, Mikel Villanueva, Luis Mago, Bernardo Añor and Roberto Rosales
Midfielders: Renzo Zambrano, José Martínez, Belnaldo Manzano, Junior Moreno, Tomas Rincón, Yangel Herrera, Sergio Córdova, Jhon Murillo, Jefferson Savarino, Romulo Otero, Juan Pablo Añor, Jefferson Soteldo and Darwin Machis
Forwards: Salomón Rondón, Jan Hurtado, Jhonder Cádiz, Fernando Aristiguieta and Andrés Ponce.
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Atlanta United's Josef Martinez refuses to play for Venezuela coach
Associated Press
Atlanta United striker Josef Martinez said he will not play for Venezuela's national team as long as Rafael Dudamel is the coach.
Martinez posted a statement on Instagram on Friday shortly after Venezuela's football federation announced a 32-player squad for upcoming friendlies against Bolivia and Trinidad and Tobago. Martinez was not included in the squad despite having scored 26 goals in the MLS this season.
Martinez said he made the decision because of "an increasingly deteriorating professional relationship" with Dudamel but said he still hopes to play for the national team again one day.
Dudamel has held the coaching job since 2016, and has not commented on Martinez's announcement.
Venezuela will play Bolivia on Oct. 10 and four days later will face Trinidad and Tobago. Both matches will be in Caracas.
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More licks again, and watch marvin phillip and cyrus feature again. if I was foncette I wouldn’t even waste my time showing up when called, what’s the point? dennis will never play him and will only use him for practice.
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this is the game where fortune and others would be given a chance to DETERMINE IF they are at international level according to DL.Questions will be answered.
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this is the game where fortune and others would be given a chance to DETERMINE IF they are at international level according to DL.Questions will be answered.
The determination of whether a player is a pro level player occurs when? Before or after he becomes a pro?
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this is the game where fortune and others would be given a chance to DETERMINE IF they are at international level according to DL.Questions will be answered.
The determination of whether a player is a pro level player occurs when? Before or after he becomes a pro?
lol well its DL we dealing with
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this is the game where fortune and others would be given a chance to DETERMINE IF they are at international level according to DL.Questions will be answered.
The determination of whether a player is a pro level player occurs when? Before or after he becomes a pro?
Depends who you’re asking :D
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Lawrence announces 20-man Roster for Venezuela friendly.
TTFA Media.
A Trinidad and Tobago 20-man squad arrived in Caracas around midday today for Monday’s International friendly against Venezuela at the Estadio Olimpico at 6:00pm.
Head Coach Dennis Lawrence today announced the squad that will go into the match following Thursday’s 2-0 defeat to Honduras in CONCACAF Nations League qualifying. Not included is captain Khaleem Hyland, defender Daneil Cyrus as well as US-based duo Joevin Jones and Kevin Molino due to club commitments.
“You always run the risk of that but then you have short term goals, medium term goals and you got long term goals. The way I look at it now we have to think long term,” Lawrence said after the defeat on Thursday.
“Every game now counts for something Now you look at it and you ask yourself, is he ready or is he not so the only way you can find out is putting them in the situation. So we got Venezuela and the only way we are going to know if somebody like Keston Julien, Andre Fortune, if they are ready is we need put them in that situation and then find out of they are ready. We need to put them in the environment and find out what would happen,” Lawrence added.
T&T Squad to face Venezuela
Goalkeepers:
Glenroy Samuel (Terminix La Horquetta Rangers), Adrian Foncette (Police FC).
Defenders:
Alvin Jones (OKC Energy FC—US), Mekeil Williams (OKC Energy FC—US), Aikim Andrews (La Horquetta Rangers), Sheldon Bateau (Mechelen—Belgium), Ross Russell Jr (La Horquetta Rangers), Aubrey David (Deportivo Saprissa—Costa Rica), Keston Julien (AS Trencin—Slovakia).
Midfielders:
Aaron Lester (Defence Force), Duane Muckette (Memphis 901 FC—US), Leston Paul (Memphis 901 FC—US), Kevan George (Charlotte Independence—US), Neveal Hackshaw (Indy Eleven—US), Andre Fortune (North Carolina—US), Levi Garcia (Beitar Jerusalem—Israel), Ataulla Guerra (Charleston Battery FC—US).
Forwards:
Daniel Carr (Apollon—Cyprus), Akeem Garcia (HFX Wanderers—Canada), Marcus Joseph (Gokulam Kerala—India).
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1. Why is Judah Garcia excluded? Lucrative prospect somewhere?
2. Who exactly is being tested in this squad of familiar faces?
3. What is John-Paul Rochford doing? He too busy for this dance? Or is it perception of his physique that is denying his inclusion? Because he certainly could have danced in Toluca.
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4. Every game NOW counts for something?
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1. Why is Judah Garcia excluded? Lucrative prospect somewhere?
2. Who exactly is being tested in this squad of familiar faces?
3. What is John-Paul Rochford doing? He too busy for this dance? Or is it perception of his physique that is denying his inclusion? Because he certainly could have danced in Toluca.
This guy had all the time to scout, recruit, and test new players in all those friendlies but he did not ... dont be suprised if fortune comes on in the second half with 10 min remaining .. look how many times he called up julien and never play him . but he played ross russell jr in a crucial match .
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After that sick performance at home to boot,what can we expect from this TT team of "deplorables",they also seem to lack intelligence.It is safe to say that DL don't facking know what he is doing.
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After that sick performance at home to boot,what can we expect from this TT team of "deplorables",they also seem to lack intelligence.It is safe to say that DL don't facking know what he is doing.
Yuh change yuh mind, eh. :) Benefit of the doubt gone?
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After that sick performance at home to boot,what can we expect from this TT team of "deplorables",they also seem to lack intelligence.It is safe to say that DL don't facking know what he is doing.
Yuh change yuh mind, eh. :) Benefit of the doubt gone?
:D
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1. Why is Judah Garcia excluded? Lucrative prospect somewhere?
2. Who exactly is being tested in this squad of familiar faces?
3. What is John-Paul Rochford doing? He too busy for this dance? Or is it perception of his physique that is denying his inclusion? Because he certainly could have danced in Toluca.
This guy had all the time to scout, recruit, and test new players in all those friendlies but he did not ... dont be suprised if fortune comes on in the second half with 10 min remaining .. look how many times he called up julien and never play him . but he played ross russell jr in a crucial match .
spot on mate. this foolishman has a plaster for every cut. he had a winning formula but went and change it. we had our best results without these certain main stay defenders, bateau, david, mikel williams and marvin phillip. in every game where our defense looked organized Sol campbell was assisting in defense and Curtis gonzales started every game under sol.
now i have nothing against Sheldon bateau but the man is a very sloppy defender and i’ve been training my eyes on him of late. for someone who played in some of the better leagues around the world you should know that you don’t take chances when you’re the last defender who is being pressed by an attacker to be clever with the ball, you either back pass to your keeper or put the ball in the stands.
but on thursday he did just that almost resulting in a goal. in the previous game martinque had a free kick that was going out for a goal kick but he instead headed it right back across our goal and into play resulting in a goal for martinique. and if you go back to all the games we loss it was attributed to some primary school mistake that is unheard of in international football which leads me to believe that these guys are not of international quality and pedigree.
just take a look at alves Powell, damian lowe and Kemar lawrence, these men defend that goal and play every game like they’re playing for their lives. amateur mistakes like cyrus giving ellis the base line and allowing dengerous players time on the ball without a double team and putting dead balls back into play especially accross your goal mouth is almost never seen by concacaf’s top six team defenders.
dennis lawrence should not be allowed to experiment or get his feet wet with our senior team like latapy did. let him go back to the drawing board and give a more capable coach the opportunity. it’s quite clear that he does not know what the hell he’s doing.
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1. Why is Judah Garcia excluded? Lucrative prospect somewhere?
2. Who exactly is being tested in this squad of familiar faces?
3. What is John-Paul Rochford doing? He too busy for this dance? Or is it perception of his physique that is denying his inclusion? Because he certainly could have danced in Toluca.
This guy had all the time to scout, recruit, and test new players in all those friendlies but he did not ... dont be suprised if fortune comes on in the second half with 10 min remaining .. look how many times he called up julien and never play him . but he played ross russell jr in a crucial match .
i’m extremely puzzled and left scratching my head as to why this man still insist on local defenders especially when we don’t have a very active local league on at the moment, and there are defenders better trained and is quite active in their leagues in ryan inniss and noah powder who’s playing on a higher level?
it’s the same dynamic with greg ranjitsingh who has definitely shown an interest in representing us but is being overlooked for a has been goal keeper who is well known for not keeping a clean sheet. I just don’t get the logic it’s very warped thinking at best. my only hope is that Guyana don’t come knocking and he answers like in the case of Ricky shakes. that would be a terrible blow, and dennis would be gone by then doing his thing in europe somewhere. someone needs to intervene.
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1. Why is Judah Garcia excluded? Lucrative prospect somewhere?
2. Who exactly is being tested in this squad of familiar faces?
3. What is John-Paul Rochford doing? He too busy for this dance? Or is it perception of his physique that is denying his inclusion? Because he certainly could have danced in Toluca.
This guy had all the time to scout, recruit, and test new players in all those friendlies but he did not ... dont be suprised if fortune comes on in the second half with 10 min remaining .. look how many times he called up julien and never play him . but he played ross russell jr in a crucial match .
i’m extremely puzzled and left scratching my head as to why this man still insist on local defenders especially when we don’t have a very active local league on at the moment, and there are defenders better trained and is quite active in their leagues in ryan inniss and noah powder who’s playing on a higher level?
it’s the same dynamic with greg ranjitsingh who has definitely shown an interest in representing us but is being overlooked for a has been goal keeper who is well known for not keeping a clean sheet. I just don’t get the logic it’s very warped thinking at best. my only hope is that Guyana don’t come knocking and he answers like in the case of Ricky shakes. that would be a terrible blow, and dennis would be gone by then doing his thing in europe somewhere. someone needs to intervene.
Also we have bostock and nick delon if inerested still
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1. Why is Judah Garcia excluded? Lucrative prospect somewhere?
2. Who exactly is being tested in this squad of familiar faces?
3. What is John-Paul Rochford doing? He too busy for this dance? Or is it perception of his physique that is denying his inclusion? Because he certainly could have danced in Toluca.
This guy had all the time to scout, recruit, and test new players in all those friendlies but he did not ... dont be suprised if fortune comes on in the second half with 10 min remaining .. look how many times he called up julien and never play him . but he played ross russell jr in a crucial match .
i’m extremely puzzled and left scratching my head as to why this man still insist on local defenders especially when we don’t have a very active local league on at the moment, and there are defenders better trained and is quite active in their leagues in ryan inniss and noah powder who’s playing on a higher level?
it’s the same dynamic with greg ranjitsingh who has definitely shown an interest in representing us but is being overlooked for a has been goal keeper who is well known for not keeping a clean sheet. I just don’t get the logic it’s very warped thinking at best. my only hope is that Guyana don’t come knocking and he answers like in the case of Ricky shakes. that would be a terrible blow, and dennis would be gone by then doing his thing in europe somewhere. someone needs to intervene.
Also we have bostock
I doubt he want any part of this anymore.
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1. Why is Judah Garcia excluded? Lucrative prospect somewhere?
2. Who exactly is being tested in this squad of familiar faces?
3. What is John-Paul Rochford doing? He too busy for this dance? Or is it perception of his physique that is denying his inclusion? Because he certainly could have danced in Toluca.
A coach like R Latapy would play Judah Garcia because that's his type of football or a coach like Z Vanes but coach's like D Lawrence S Hart and J Shabazz would not play him because they does play English football so the better technical players like S De Silva M W Ling and J Garcia go be sucking salt this rounds with these type of coach's them men looking for a big strong black bloke.
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1. Why is Judah Garcia excluded? Lucrative prospect somewhere?
2. Who exactly is being tested in this squad of familiar faces?
3. What is John-Paul Rochford doing? He too busy for this dance? Or is it perception of his physique that is denying his inclusion? Because he certainly could have danced in Toluca.
A coach like R Latapy would play Judah Garcia because that's his type of football or a coach like Z Vanes but coach's like D Lawrence S Hart and J Shabazz would not play him because they does play English football so the better technical players like S De Silva M W Ling and J Garcia go be sucking salt this rounds with these type of coach's them men looking for a big strong black bloke.
I concur with the conclusion, but not entirely with the reasoning. You will know why soon. Timely contribution as to the thrust of your point doh.
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However, it has to be said that the idea of a coach selecting players on the basis of 'big, strong, black" plays into the worst of stereotype and caricature, reduces players to physical attribution only and ascribes no value to the quality and presence of their thought processes on the field of play.
In addition, if we consider the players who have played under Shabazz, under Hart or under Lawrence in advanced areas of the pitch ... who precisely fits the stereotype? Molino? No. It's not that absurd.
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1. Why is Judah Garcia excluded? Lucrative prospect somewhere?
2. Who exactly is being tested in this squad of familiar faces?
3. What is John-Paul Rochford doing? He too busy for this dance? Or is it perception of his physique that is denying his inclusion? Because he certainly could have danced in Toluca.
A coach like R Latapy would play Judah Garcia because that's his type of football or a coach like Z Vanes but coach's like D Lawrence S Hart and J Shabazz would not play him because they does play English football so the better technical players like S De Silva M W Ling and J Garcia go be sucking salt this rounds with these type of coach's them men looking for a big strong black bloke.
In my opinion S Hart didn't play the English brand, I noticed more of a Spanish style under him. Could be wrong but that's what I observed.
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However, it has to be said that the idea of a coach selecting players on the basis of 'big, strong, black" plays into the worst of stereotype and caricature, reduces players to physical attribution only and ascribes no value to the quality and presence of their thought processes on the field of play.
In addition, if we consider the players who have played under Shabazz, under Hart or under Lawrence in advanced areas of the pitch ... who precisely fits the stereotype? Molino? No. It's not that absurd.
In fact, I'd say it's exactly why Kenwyne was underappreciated. Because, to some, he was just 'big, strong, and black,' and they wanted speed and flash.
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So we gats to beat Honduras or get a draw,impossible I say.The good Lord will have to be with us for either result...Inshallah.
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any stream link ??..plz and thanks
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WATCH LIVE: Venezuela vs Trinidad and Tobago (https://deportestvcable.blogspot.com/p/fgdhgf14.html)
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The revolutionary starting XI is nothing close to being revolutionary.
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Alternative link (https://teletplay.lorini.net)
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2-0 nil
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2-0 nil
pull stones, dah one was just for you. :rotfl:
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2 nil down 20th min
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i am not seeing fortune ..
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He's on the bench.
Foncette in goal.
CBs David and Bateau
LB and RB Julien and Alvin Jones
Garcia and Andrews on the left and right flanks with George and Hackshaw in the centre of the park.
On top, Guerra and Marcus Joseph.
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There was an opportunity for the striker stayin high to blindside d vene with d ball and he never move....ball pest was taking dat ball....d aggression in dis team misplaced...no proactive movement whatsoever
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There was an opportunity for the striker stayin high to blindside d vene with d ball and he never move....ball pest was taking dat ball....d aggression in dis team misplaced...no proactive movement whatsoever
False space. The ball should have gone to the right flank for Jones to develop the next phase of play.
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This match is an academic exercise. Doh hurt yuh head. The solutions are beyond the technical staff.
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There was an opportunity for the striker stayin high to blindside d vene with d ball and he never move....ball pest was taking dat ball....d aggression in dis team misplaced...no proactive movement whatsoever
False space. The ball should have gone to the right flank for Jones to develop the next phase of play.
Was referring to an off d ball moment in midfield
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There was an opportunity for the striker stayin high to blindside d vene with d ball and he never move....ball pest was taking dat ball....d aggression in dis team misplaced...no proactive movement whatsoever
False space. The ball should have gone to the right flank for Jones to develop the next phase of play.
Was referring to an off d ball moment in midfield
I understood that.
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This match is an academic exercise. Doh hurt yuh head. The solutions are beyond the technical staff.
d day trinidad football stop hurting my head, allyuh not goin and hear from me, cause i goh be in a hole somewhere with dirt in it
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There was an opportunity for the striker stayin high to blindside d vene with d ball and he never move....ball pest was taking dat ball....d aggression in dis team misplaced...no proactive movement whatsoever
False space. The ball should have gone to the right flank for Jones to develop the next phase of play.
Was referring to an off d ball moment in midfield
I understood that.
ok ok cool
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This match is an academic exercise. Doh hurt yuh head. The solutions are beyond the technical staff.
d day trinidad football stop hurting my head, allyuh not goin and hear from me, cause in hole somewhere with dirt in it
Well, yuh in for ah headache of some dimension tonight. #14 is upon us.
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Sigh
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There was an opportunity for the striker stayin high to blindside d vene with d ball and he never move....ball pest was taking dat ball....d aggression in dis team misplaced...no proactive movement whatsoever
False space. The ball should have gone to the right flank for Jones to develop the next phase of play.
Was referring to an off d ball moment in midfield
I understood that.
ok ok cool
I saw what you saw. But everything was too slow and plodding and not purpose-filled. The key decision-maker is the player with the ball. The window of opportunity was there briefly (for ball movement and player movement) but there wasn't a commitment to play forward ... and then the other issue was that VEN quickly returned to numerical advantage during the plodding.
The one ball to negate that without resetting play and further impacting the loss of attacking momentum was to play the ball wide decisively to change the point of attack. Jones quite rightly could not commit to joining the attack until there was a commitment to playing wide ... because he was conscious of the threat of a counter. However, he was showing every inclination to be available for that pass.That was our way to get in behind and to generate at least two chances on goal.
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Alvin just literally had to big d team to push up and create passin options everybody stand up watching him after he win a ball near we box
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De commentators on the Venezuelan channel are calling the blow Aubrey just take in de sensitive area "un Father's Day" and dey gehhin real kix off dey terminology. Men laughing unsympathetically. :rotfl:
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Dennis, this match is the proper description of there being "nothing in the match". Versus Honduras there was something in the match. Right now this is ah pappyshow.
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i am not seeing fortune ..
Deep in de second half. Ent yuh still not seeing him? :)
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Those of you who know me know I am a peong beyond belief, I does surprise myself and all. Well, today was the 1st day in donkey years TT men's senior team had a game I truly forgot. For me it is telling, praying for good outcome and reversal of fortunes w/upcoming elections
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final score?
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this shameful coach of a man just wasting precious time. the man can't even spring a surprise on we like he did with estados unidos, not even a glimmer of hope or a light in the distance. my only gripe is when he gets fired next month which coach would be tasked with the assignment to clean up this giant mess. the least he could do now is give us a convincing win over honduras so we could at least get to the gold cup for all the trouble he caused.
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If DL quit, he aint getting any severance or anything. But if he get fired (hopefully after the elections), the TTFA will have to pay him out until the end of the contract.. that is the only reason why I think he remaining in the post.
How many teams will pay him to coach after developing such a resume with the national team? My answer, is not many. I hate to disparage the man like that, but I think he need to think about how these results will affect his chances of securing future employment outside the TTFA.
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The fact that we played 442 today after 4231 and 4141 and 433 and............ ??? tells me dennis has no system and has not put in the work to understand what he has or how to make them function to get results.... these fellas need ah thoughtful coach dat can take dem parts and make ah workable machine. beenhakker...machine, whim machine.....right here eve...machine. gone are the days we can jus put men on d field and get results, in CFU anyways, it is very clear that Dennis have no clue how to assemble ah unit or execute ah coherent plan.
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However, it has to be said that the idea of a coach selecting players on the basis of 'big, strong, black" plays into the worst of stereotype and caricature, reduces players to physical attribution only and ascribes no value to the quality and presence of their thought processes on the field of play.
In addition, if we consider the players who have played under Shabazz, under Hart or under Lawrence in advanced areas of the pitch ... who precisely fits the stereotype? Molino? No. It's not that absurd.
I don't give 2 hoots about what you feel about stereotypes that's a part of life if you can't deal with it you need to move to another planet .
K Molino is probably the only name you can call on that list while he does have a little bit of physical and athletic ability because he come from the Hispanic people he inherited some of that Latin flair so he is technically good as well.
When S Hart took over the team he put K Molino on the bench because he is not his type of player he was going with D Roberts and the kid from Tobago I believe his name was Daniels or something like that he was trying to play his English football but when his back was against the wall and he was loosing he finally took Molino off the bench and when he took over the midfield he had no choice but to play him after that.
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This was the match to blood and test Daniel Carr in international football. Guerra should have started versus Honduras and played at least 60 to 70 minutes barring any eventualities. Carr had not been playing much in Cyprus and it showed in some situations versus Honduras when he did not get off the ground to meet heading opportunities.
Although he is capable of posting-up, he's still a relatively smaller player.
He would have been better placed to keep Venezuela's CBs honest and would have offered a variation that had a better chance of complicating things in Caracas.
Tonight had to have been a frustrating game for Guerra.
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I don't give 2 hoots about what you feel about stereotypes that's a part of life if you can't deal with it you need to move to another planet .
K Molino is probably the only name you can call on that list while he does have a little bit of physical and athletic ability because he come from the Hispanic people he inherited some of that Latin flair so he is technically good as well.
When S Hart took over the team he put K Molino on the bench because he is not his type of player he was going with D Roberts and the kid from Tobago I believe his name was Daniels or something like that he was trying to play his English football but when his back was against the wall and he was loosing he finally took Molino off the bench and when he took over the midfield he had no choice but to play him after that.
Good, so you should have no problem with being stereotyped as an idiot. (Have you re-read the genetics nonsense you just posted about Molino? Wow!)
Essentially your contention is that Hart selected Keon Daniel over Molino because Keon is big, strong and black?
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Or should that be bigger, blacker, stronger?
(You need to come up to speed on Keon Daniel)
If I were you, I would stay away from this line of reasoning in any setting other than polite company.
Alright, let's cut to the chase and see whose feelings actually get hurt. M Woo Ling is no Judah Garcia and is not currently anywhere near serious consideration for the NT and a consummate pro like De Silva shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as Woo Ling. Show some respect. In any event, the factors that have impeded De Silva from consolidating an international place at senior team level are decidedly different from those that are keeping Woo Ling out of the conversation entirely. Maybe he should move to Iceland and find out if he can hang in that league.
Meanwhile, explain this to me, since Molino was the antidote why didn't Hart play Molino versus Messi and Argentina (when neither Daniel nor Roberts was there)? Bearing in mind that Molino had already met the starting whistle under SH by this match. His Latin flair kept him on the bench? Or was it something else?
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Now Venezuela shuts out T&T 2-0.
T&T Guardian Reports.
Trinidad and Tobago's winless streak was extended to 13 matches on Monday after they suffered a 2-0 loss to Venezuela in their international friendly at the Estadio Olimpico de la UCV in Caracas, Venezuela.
A five-minute blitz early in the first half by the home side produced goals from China-based striker Salomón Rondón in the 11th minute and winger Darwin Machis in the 14th minute.
Rondón rifled a right-footed shot into the top left-hand corner of T&T goalkeeper Adrian Foncette's net from just outside the penalty area and before T&T could settle again, Machis latched onto a pass from Yordan Osorio in the heart of the penalty area and gave Foncette no chance with a powerful right-footer.
That was enough to consign T&T coach Dennis Lawrence's side to another defeat.
The Soca Warriors had gone into the match having also lost to Honduras by a similar margin in their latest CONCACAF Nations League Group A qualifier at the Hasely Crawford Stadium last Thursday.
T&T were without captain Khaleem Hyland, defender Daneil Cyrus and USA-based duo Joevin Jones and Kevin Molino due to club commitments and this showed on the day as they struggled to match the Venezuelans in intensity and creativity, especially in front of goal.
The team's last win came against the United Arab Emirates 2-0 on September 6, 2018 and they have struggled to win a match since then, leading to calls for the removal of Lawrence as coach.
Score:
VENEZUELA 2 (Salomón Rondón 11', Darwin Machis 14') v TRINIDAD & TOBAGO 0 - Highlights (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB7pgZZg9X8)
Teams:
T&T: Adrian Foncette, Aubrey David, Sheldon Bateau, Keston Julien, Alvin Jones, Kevan George, Neveal Hackshaw, Levi García (Akeem García 79'), Aikim Andrews (Ross Russell 79'), Ataullah Guerra (Danny Carr 82'), Marcus Joseph (Andre Fortune 74')
VENEZUELA: Wuilker Fariñez (Rafael Romo 45'), Mikel Villanueva, Yordan Osorio, Rolf Feltscher, Ronald Hernández (Gabriel Benitez 45'), Rómulo Otero (Juanpi 66'), Júnior Moreno, Tomás Rincón, Salomón Rondón (Andrés Ponce 78'), Darwin Machis (Yeferson Soteldo 45'), Jhon Murillo (Jefferson Savarino 74')
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Trinidad and Tobago lose 2-0 in Caracas, Venezuela stretch Lawrence’s barren run to 14 games.
Wired868.com
The Trinidad and Tobago Men’s National Senior Team’s barren run continued this evening in Caracas as the Soca Warriors lost 2-0 to Venezuela in an international football friendly. The host team got the business done early with ex-England Premier League star Salomón Rondón and flanker Darwin Machís notching a goal apiece within the opening 15 minutes.
There was the odd sight of goal by the Warriors as forward Marcus Joseph and attacking midfielder Ataulla Guerra had half-chances. But Trinidad and Tobago never put sustained pressure on the hosts and the second half played out like a training exercise for Venezuela.
Trinidad and Tobago head coach Dennis Lawrence could point out that Venezuela were near full strength while he travelled without Kevin Molino, Ryan Telfer, Khaleem Hyland, Marvin Phillip and Daneil Cyrus. Nevertheless, Lawrence is now 14 games without a win as coach. Trinidad and Tobago’s previous worst run of results was 12 winless games in the mid-1980s.
The Warriors return to action on 17 November 2019 when they travel to Honduras for Concacaf Nations League action. Should they lose or draw there, Trinidad and Tobago would be in danger of going a calendar year without a win for the first team in the TTFA’s 111-year history.
This evening, Lawrence promised to give some of his younger players the chance to stake their claim in the first team. It is debatable whether his starting team reflected that.
Slovakia-based full back Keston Julien got the nod at left back for his first start under Lawrence—despite travelling with the team for close to two years—while Aikim Andrews started at right wing. However, his other alterations in the first team were goalkeeper Adrian Foncette, defender Aubrey David, midfielders Kevan George, Neveal Hackshaw and Guerra and Joseph upfront, who could hardly be considered ‘fresh blood’.
In their wake, attacker Akeem Garcia, midfielders Duane Muckette and Andre Fortune, goalkeeper Glenroy Samuel, full back Ross Russell Jr and defensive midfielder Aaron Lester started on the bench.
After just 11 minutes, Trinidad and Tobago were down as Venezuela right back Ronald Hernández created havoc in the visiting defence with an inverted overlap—a move now made popular by coach Pep Guardiola’s Manchester City. The Warriors back four dropped narrow to cover the threat and Hernandez slipped wide to Machís, whose low cross inside the six yard box fell fortuitously for Rondon to score his 27th international goal from 79 matches.
If Foncette might have done better on the first goal, he was clearly culpable on Venezuela’s second, as Machís cut in off the left flank and beat him with a speculative drive that bounced right in front of the goalkeeper. Still, Machís had far too much room to line up a shot and only Lawrence would know if the challenge should have come from stand-in captain Sheldon Bateau or George.
Venezuela had a few half-chances but rarely penetrated the Trinidad and Tobago defence thereafter. Lawrence could claim his team showed improved defensive organisation. Or Venezuela coach Rudamel Dudamel might counter that they merely took their feet off the pedal with the job effectively done.
An Andrews cross in first half stoppage time caused a rare bit of panic by the Venezuela defence while Guerra was just wide with a right footer from 25 yards. But there was little else to report for either side.
Lawrence’s substitutions were curious again. After giving Garcia (A) 28 minutes at centre forward against Honduras, he used him for 25 minutes on the flank in Caracas. Guerra played for roughly eight minutes as a false nine before forward Daniel Carr came on for the last nine minutes.
Perhaps Lawrence was considering his options for next month’s clash away to Honduras with a heavy loss almost certain to see Trinidad and Tobago relegated from the Concacaf top tier. Julien did little wrong at left back while Hackshaw gave a decent showing in central midfield and Andrews did not look out of place.
Still, there is little in the win column to suggest that the 2006 World Cup hero knows how to use the individuals at his disposal to get results for the Warriors at present.
(Teams)
Trinidad and Tobago (4-2-3-1): 22.Adrian Foncette (GK); 16.Alvin Jones, 2.Aubrey David, 4.Sheldon Bateau, 6.Keston Julien; 19.Kevan George, 15.Neveal Hackshaw; 18.Aikim Andrews (5.Ross Russell Jr 79), 9.Ataulla Guerra (14.Daniel Carr 81), 11.Levi Garcia (20.Akeem Garcia 65); 10.Marcus Joseph (7.Andre Fortune 73).
Unused substitutes: 21.Glenroy Samuel (GK), 17.Mekeil Williams, 8.Aaron Lester, 13. Duane Muckette, 23.Leston Paul.
Head coach: Dennis Lawrence
Venezuela (4-1-4-1): 1.Wuilker Faríñez (GK) (22.Rafael Romo (GK) 46); 20.Ronald Hernández (14.Gabriel Benitez 46), 24.Yordan Osorio, 3.Mikel Villanueva, 21.Rolf Feltscher; 5.Júnior Moreno; 15.Jhon Murillo (10.Jefferson Savarino 73), 17.Rómulo Otero (11.Juan Pablo Añor 65), 8.Tomás Rincon, 7.Darwin Machís (18.Yeferson Soteldo 46); 23.Salomón Rondón (9.Andrés Ponce 77).
Unused substitutes: 2.Wilker Ángel, 4.Jhon Chancellor, 6.Yangel Herrera, 13.Renzo Zambrano, 19.Fernando Aristeguieta.
Head coach: Rudamel Dudamel
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If DL quit, he aint getting any severance or anything. But if he get fired (hopefully after the elections), the TTFA will have to pay him out until the end of the contract.. that is the only reason why I think he remaining in the post.
How many teams will pay him to coach after developing such a resume with the national team? My answer, is not many. I hate to disparage the man like that, but I think he need to think about how these results will affect his chances of securing future employment outside the TTFA.
He will be just fine brother, orchestrated and sabotage means future opps ... watch and see
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WATCH: Highlights of Trinidad and Tobago's 2-0 loss to Venezuela
https://www.youtube.com/v/QB7pgZZg9X8
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Sorry but that 2nd goal is total utter crap from Foncette. I honestly do not know what to say about out goal keeping situation at this. We tbh I do not know what to say about the entire situation. This is incredibly sad to literally watch our national team sink into the abyss and there is very little we can do about it.
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Sorry but that 2nd goal is total utter crap from Foncette. I honestly do not know what to say about out goal keeping situation at this. We tbh I do not know what to say about the entire situation. This is incredibly sad to literally watch our national team sink into the abyss and there is very little we can do about it.
So Marvin-esque was the goal that I momentarily forgot that Foncette was the GK.
If I am Ranjitsingh or Frenderup or miscellaneous, I would be encouraged.
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WATCH: What is going on with Trinidad and Tobago football? Are the players unmotivated? (https://www.instagram.com/tv/B3nuDeonhq_/)
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Sorry but that 2nd goal is total utter crap from Foncette. I honestly do not know what to say about out goal keeping situation at this. We tbh I do not know what to say about the entire situation. This is incredibly sad to literally watch our national team sink into the abyss and there is very little we can do about it.
So Marvin-esque was the goal that I momentarily forgot that Foncette was the GK.
If I am Ranjitsingh or Frenderup or miscellaneous, I would be encouraged.
Conversely they can also feel discouraged by not getting selected while they're seeing this madness go on.
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WATCH: Highlights of Trinidad and Tobago's 2-0 loss to Venezuela
https://www.youtube.com/v/QB7pgZZg9X8
target practice for venezuela at best, in fact why are we playing friendlies with a local crop? these guys can’t beat nobody.
I think it’s a good waste of time and going forward all our friendlies should be first team players so they could iron out whatever kinks they may need to work on and create cohesion, but these useless friendlies are only damaging our fifa rankings.
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Sorry but that 2nd goal is total utter crap from Foncette. I honestly do not know what to say about out goal keeping situation at this. We tbh I do not know what to say about the entire situation. This is incredibly sad to literally watch our national team sink into the abyss and there is very little we can do about it.
So Marvin-esque was the goal that I momentarily forgot that Foncette was the GK.
If I am Ranjitsingh or Frenderup or miscellaneous, I would be encouraged.
Conversely they can also feel discouraged by not getting selected while they're seeing this madness go on.
listen mate i’ve been crying out about this since 2018 when marvin phillip found his way back on the team, and if you look at the last 5 goals we have conceded in this nation’s league so far 4 of those goals were quite savable including the two soft goals vs honduras.
these two goals vs Venezuela was also quit savable, our goal keepers are playing in an SSFL league yet for some reason unknown to many our coach believes that they are better than an MLS goal keeper who’s won many cups and awards for his goal keeping ability and is known for keeping clean sheets, but I guess dennis knows best.
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WATCH: What is going on with Trinidad and Tobago football? Are the players unmotivated? (https://www.instagram.com/tv/B3nuDeonhq_/)
question, don’t these players have player insurance in the event of injury or death on the pitch while on international duty? at least I would like to think so. the only unmotivating factor that comes to mind would be that the players are not happy with the pay package the federation boss or the coach,
and i sensed that when DJW came in as boss and coach.......... because even under Steven hart’s stewardship a lot of players including jan micheal williams jovin and kenwin jones we’re not happy with his presidency to the point where player performance started on a downward spiral losing out on the gold cup, the copa centenual, and even in the hex they started losing quite frequently. it actually seem like the players were on silent strike to this very day.
my only hope is that if they’re on strike, at least unstrike and win this game in honduras on thursday because dennis and DJW would be gone next month but the show goes on which would include no gold cup and no hex. and I could only hope that they’re on strike because no team could be so horrendous as this present national team.
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WATCH: What is going on with Trinidad and Tobago football? Are the players unmotivated? (https://www.instagram.com/tv/B3nuDeonhq_/)
JMW quietly cosigning in the comments.
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WATCH: What is going on with Trinidad and Tobago football? Are the players unmotivated? (https://www.instagram.com/tv/B3nuDeonhq_/)
JMW quietly cosigning in the comments.
i was looking for it but could not find it, what’s his handle (Instagram title)?
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WATCH: Highlights of Trinidad and Tobago's 2-0 loss to Venezuela
https://www.youtube.com/v/QB7pgZZg9X8
its so easy to score on us i swear. all you have to do is counter attack on the flanks and beat the first defender with ball movement and put in a cross or a pass in the box. these guys are terrible defending going backwards. just look at our defensive shape it’s all over the place, and these teams who play us all know that all they have to do is put numbers in the box and at least two attackers would turn up unmarked and free to score.
do our coaches past and present even look at tapes of past games and observe this obvious flaw? even more pressing is the question.......... do they even work on their defending in practice? because I believe when ever we assemble for games the team should spend every day working on our transition from offense to defense because that’s where our weakness lies.
many hours should be spend running plays over and over with the offense attacking the defenders in a transitional counter attack situation in order to keep shape and awareness of our defenders and it would also give the attackers a chance to run some of their offensive plays.........that’s if they have any under these dunce coaches.
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WATCH: What is going on with Trinidad and Tobago football? Are the players unmotivated? (https://www.instagram.com/tv/B3nuDeonhq_/)
JMW quietly cosigning in the comments.
i was looking for it but could not find it, what’s his handle (Instagram title)?
janmichael21 🌴🌳🌿👀🌴🌳
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As mentioned
WATCH: Highlights of Trinidad and Tobago's 2-0 loss to Venezuela
https://www.youtube.com/v/QB7pgZZg9X8
its so easy to score on us i swear. all you have to do is counter attack on the flanks and beat the first defender with ball movement and put in a cross or a pass in the box. these guys are terrible defending going backwards. just look at our defensive shape it’s all over the place, and these teams who play us all know that all they have to do is put numbers in the box and at least two attackers would turn up unmarked and free to score.
do our coaches past and present even look at tapes of past games and observe this obvious flaw? even more pressing is the question.......... do they even work on their defending in practice? because I believe when ever we assemble for games the team should spend every day working on our transition from offense to defense because that’s where our weakness lies.
many hours should be spend running plays over and over with the offense attacking the defenders in a transitional counter attack situation in order to keep shape and awareness of our defenders and it would also give the attackers a chance to run some of their offensive plays.........that’s if they have any under these dunce coaches.
Dennis don't even have ah solid structure, formation changes can be situational at times but team shapes are normally set Dennis seems solidly in try ah ting mode, all this time pass we can't even settle on team shape even if is a couple
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I think it’s a good waste of time and going forward all our friendlies should be first team players so they could iron out whatever kinks they may need to work on and create cohesion, but these useless friendlies are only damaging our fifa rankings.
How can that be. How can friendlies be useless? We are disappointed with the performances. Whether we like Lawrence or not, these guys, need to play as much international as possible. Damaging our fifa rankings ? Are you kidding ?
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I think it’s a good waste of time and going forward all our friendlies should be first team players so they could iron out whatever kinks they may need to work on and create cohesion, but these useless friendlies are only damaging our fifa rankings.
How can that be. How can friendlies be useless? We are disappointed with the performances. Whether we like Lawrence or not, these guys, need to play as much international as possible. Damaging our fifa rankings ? Are you kidding ?
where have you been mate? from here on in fifa rankings determine whether we make it to the hex or not or if our players are eligible to play in the english leagues, not these inferior leagues scattered about indo china where most of our players are finding themselves for one season at a time.
ATM our players lack quality because they’re finding themselves playing in India and thailand where the playing level is lower or slightly on par with what we have in trinidad. when our lads were in England Scotland and Wales they were at least fit enough to play international football, but have you ever wondered why most of our goals are conceded in the 2nd half, could fitness be the catalyst for both mental and physical fatigue that plague these boys every single game?
and as far as international friendlies are concerned, deeks I’m very surprised at you. why would you waste a fifa window opportunity to play an all local team when you could engage your first team into getting more playing time together to work on the things that needs to be resolved?
have you ever wondered why you don’t see an english or an argentinian B team playing on a fifa window, or playing a bunch of away games or why sometimes these teams opt for a lower ranking teams to have target practice with?
these teams do that because one......they cannot risk losing that’s why they try to play as much home games as possible, and when they do play away games they choose inferior lower ranking teams, that’s because fifa ranking are essential to the teams they draw in their group for euro or World Cup qualifying, it’s only us who don’t understand how very important fifa rankings are, that’s why we are now being drawn in tougher groups, come on mate I’m surprised i had to go through all this explanations when you should know better.
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I think it’s a good waste of time and going forward all our friendlies should be first team players so they could iron out whatever kinks they may need to work on and create cohesion, but these useless friendlies are only damaging our fifa rankings.
How can that be. How can friendlies be useless? We are disappointed with the performances. Whether we like Lawrence or not, these guys, need to play as much international as possible. Damaging our fifa rankings ? Are you kidding ?
where have you been mate? from here on in fifa rankings determine whether we make it to the hex or not or if our players are eligible to play in the english leagues, not these inferior leagues scattered about indo china where most of our players are finding themselves for one season at a time.
ATM our players lack quality because they’re finding themselves playing in India and thailand where the playing level is lower or slightly on par with what we have in trinidad. when our lads were in England Scotland and Wales they were at least fit enough to play international football, but have you ever wondered why most of our goals are conceded in the 2nd half, could fitness be the catalyst for both mental and physical fatigue that plague these boys every single game?
and as far as international friendlies are concerned, deeks I’m very surprised at you. why would you waste a fifa window opportunity to play an all local team when you could engage your first team into getting more playing time together to work on the things that needs to be resolved?
have you ever wondered why you don’t see an english or an argentinian B team playing on a fifa window, or playing a bunch of away games or why sometimes these teams opt for a lower ranking teams to have target practice with?
these teams do that because one......they cannot risk losing that’s why they try to play as much home games as possible, and when they do play away games they choose inferior lower ranking teams, that’s because fifa ranking are essential to the teams they draw in their group for euro or World Cup qualifying, it’s only us who don’t understand how very important fifa rankings are, that’s why we are now being drawn in tougher groups, come on mate I’m surprised i had to go through all this explanations when you should know better.
Dude, our fifa ranking was damaged goods way before we went into this nations league bull crap. You don't need to explain fifa rankings to me.
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I don't give 2 hoots about what you feel about stereotypes that's a part of life if you can't deal with it you need to move to another planet .
K Molino is probably the only name you can call on that list while he does have a little bit of physical and athletic ability because he come from the Hispanic people he inherited some of that Latin flair so he is technically good as well.
When S Hart took over the team he put K Molino on the bench because he is not his type of player he was going with D Roberts and the kid from Tobago I believe his name was Daniels or something like that he was trying to play his English football but when his back was against the wall and he was loosing he finally took Molino off the bench and when he took over the midfield he had no choice but to play him after that.
Good, so you should have no problem with being stereotyped as an idiot. (Have you re-read the genetics nonsense you just posted about Molino? Wow!)
Essentially your contention is that Hart selected Keon Daniel over Molino because Keon is big, strong and black?
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Or should that be bigger, blacker, stronger?
(You need to come up to speed on Keon Daniel)
If I were you, I would stay away from this line of reasoning in any setting other than polite company.
Alright, let's cut to the chase and see whose feelings actually get hurt. M Woo Ling is no Judah Garcia and is not currently anywhere near serious consideration for the NT and a consummate pro like De Silva shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as Woo Ling. Show some respect. In any event, the factors that have impeded De Silva from consolidating an international place at senior team level are decidedly different from those that are keeping Woo Ling out of the conversation entirely. Maybe he should move to Iceland and find out if he can hang in that league.
Meanwhile, explain this to me, since Molino was the antidote why didn't Hart play Molino versus Messi and Argentina (when neither Daniel nor Roberts was there)? Bearing in mind that Molino had already met the starting whistle under SH by this match. His Latin flair kept him on the bench? Or was it something else?
Dude I don't care about your silly emotions I am just stating the facts and the facts are TT football was built off of the English system the Canadian system was built off of the English system which is power strength fitness physical and athletic ability in TT that translate to a big strong black bloke so just get over it.
K Daniel use to really stink up the place when ever he played for TT no sense having a player who was only good at free kicks.
A Guerra and K Molino both came out of the Hispanic people so they both inherited some of that latin flair at that they were both on the same level.
I don't care who is better my point is once TT keep hiring coach's like J Shabazz S Hart and D Lawrence our better technical players like S DE Silva M W Ling and J Garcia would not get a fair chance and if you can't see that you are just as bad as they are.
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I don't give 2 hoots about what you feel about stereotypes that's a part of life if you can't deal with it you need to move to another planet .
K Molino is probably the only name you can call on that list while he does have a little bit of physical and athletic ability because he come from the Hispanic people he inherited some of that Latin flair so he is technically good as well.
When S Hart took over the team he put K Molino on the bench because he is not his type of player he was going with D Roberts and the kid from Tobago I believe his name was Daniels or something like that he was trying to play his English football but when his back was against the wall and he was loosing he finally took Molino off the bench and when he took over the midfield he had no choice but to play him after that.
Good, so you should have no problem with being stereotyped as an idiot. (Have you re-read the genetics nonsense you just posted about Molino? Wow!)
Essentially your contention is that Hart selected Keon Daniel over Molino because Keon is big, strong and black?
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Or should that be bigger, blacker, stronger?
(You need to come up to speed on Keon Daniel)
If I were you, I would stay away from this line of reasoning in any setting other than polite company.
Alright, let's cut to the chase and see whose feelings actually get hurt. M Woo Ling is no Judah Garcia and is not currently anywhere near serious consideration for the NT and a consummate pro like De Silva shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as Woo Ling. Show some respect. In any event, the factors that have impeded De Silva from consolidating an international place at senior team level are decidedly different from those that are keeping Woo Ling out of the conversation entirely. Maybe he should move to Iceland and find out if he can hang in that league.
Meanwhile, explain this to me, since Molino was the antidote why didn't Hart play Molino versus Messi and Argentina (when neither Daniel nor Roberts was there)? Bearing in mind that Molino had already met the starting whistle under SH by this match. His Latin flair kept him on the bench? Or was it something else?
Dude I don't care about your silly emotions I am just stating the facts and the facts are TT football was built off of the English system the Canadian system was built off of the English system which is power strength fitness physical and athletic ability in TT that translate to a big strong black bloke so just get over it.
K Daniel use to really stink up the place when ever he played for TT no sense having a player who was only good at free kicks.
A Guerra and K Molino both came out of the Hispanic people so they both inherited some of that latin flair at that they were both on the same level.
I don't care who is better my point is once TT keep hiring coach's like J Shabazz S Hart and D Lawrence our better technical players like S DE Silva M W Ling and J Garcia would not get a fair chance and if you can't see that you are just as bad as they are.
goes to show how close you followed this team. for you benefit keon danial scored more goals than guerra and molino put together, in fact every time we needed a goal to clinch a win in important games keon came through for us, he was a real go too guy. as for black and strong, when keon came to the team under maturana he was a mare 150 lbs. it was only when he went to philly he filled out.
in all honesty i missed keon for his goal scoring ability, he may not have been the best defender on the flanks but the bloke had it. it's too bad he went loco and could not continue with the team, but he was one heck of a players.
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K Molino is probably the only name you can call on that list while he does have a little bit of physical and athletic ability because he come from the Hispanic people he inherited some of that Latin flair so he is technically good as well.
I now read this through. Really dude? You cyah be serious! So Leroy was great because he had a spanish last name ? So what about Archie or Bertrand Neptune, Dwight Yorke, Ian Bain, Stern John ? Come nah man. You better than dat.
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K Molino is probably the only name you can call on that list while he does have a little bit of physical and athletic ability because he come from the Hispanic people he inherited some of that Latin flair so he is technically good as well.
I now read this through. Really dude? You cyah be serious! So Leroy was great because he had a spanish last name ? So what about Archie or Bertrand Neptune, Dwight Yorke, Ian Bain, Stern John ? Come nah man. You better than dat.
Thank you.
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K Molino is probably the only name you can call on that list while he does have a little bit of physical and athletic ability because he come from the Hispanic people he inherited some of that Latin flair so he is technically good as well.
I now read this through. Really dude? You cyah be serious! So Leroy was great because he had a spanish last name ? So what about Archie or Bertrand Neptune, Dwight Yorke, Ian Bain, Stern John ? Come nah man. You better than dat.
Actually he isn't.
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Keon's goal scoring record is a return of 13 goals in 58 matches.
Nineteen (19) of those matches were friendlies. He only scored two of those goals in friendlies ... which is to say he scored 11 goals in qualification efforts ... 11 goals in 39 matches that really mattered.
Stinking up the place, huh? :)
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I don't give 2 hoots about what you feel about stereotypes that's a part of life if you can't deal with it you need to move to another planet .
K Molino is probably the only name you can call on that list while he does have a little bit of physical and athletic ability because he come from the Hispanic people he inherited some of that Latin flair so he is technically good as well.
When S Hart took over the team he put K Molino on the bench because he is not his type of player he was going with D Roberts and the kid from Tobago I believe his name was Daniels or something like that he was trying to play his English football but when his back was against the wall and he was loosing he finally took Molino off the bench and when he took over the midfield he had no choice but to play him after that.
Good, so you should have no problem with being stereotyped as an idiot. (Have you re-read the genetics nonsense you just posted about Molino? Wow!)
Essentially your contention is that Hart selected Keon Daniel over Molino because Keon is big, strong and black?
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Or should that be bigger, blacker, stronger?
(You need to come up to speed on Keon Daniel)
If I were you, I would stay away from this line of reasoning in any setting other than polite company.
Alright, let's cut to the chase and see whose feelings actually get hurt. M Woo Ling is no Judah Garcia and is not currently anywhere near serious consideration for the NT and a consummate pro like De Silva shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as Woo Ling. Show some respect. In any event, the factors that have impeded De Silva from consolidating an international place at senior team level are decidedly different from those that are keeping Woo Ling out of the conversation entirely. Maybe he should move to Iceland and find out if he can hang in that league.
Meanwhile, explain this to me, since Molino was the antidote why didn't Hart play Molino versus Messi and Argentina (when neither Daniel nor Roberts was there)? Bearing in mind that Molino had already met the starting whistle under SH by this match. His Latin flair kept him on the bench? Or was it something else?
Dude I don't care about your silly emotions I am just stating the facts and the facts are TT football was built off of the English system the Canadian system was built off of the English system which is power strength fitness physical and athletic ability in TT that translate to a big strong black bloke so just get over it.
K Daniel use to really stink up the place when ever he played for TT no sense having a player who was only good at free kicks.
A Guerra and K Molino both came out of the Hispanic people so they both inherited some of that latin flair at that they were both on the same level.
I don't care who is better my point is once TT keep hiring coach's like J Shabazz S Hart and D Lawrence our better technical players like S DE Silva M W Ling and J Garcia would not get a fair chance and if you can't see that you are just as bad as they are.
goes to show how close you followed this team. for you benefit keon danial scored more goals than guerra and molino put together, in fact every time we needed a goal to clinch a win in important games keon came through for us, he was a real go too guy. as for black and strong, when keon came to the team under maturana he was a mare 150 lbs. it was only when he went to philly he filled out.
in all honesty i missed keon for his goal scoring ability, he may not have been the best defender on the flanks but the bloke had it. it's too bad he went loco and could not continue with the team, but he was one heck of a players.
Even in Europe right now, Keon is NOT ah player who is bulked up. Lean.
It's really interesting to read @ffisback because he makes a lot of assertions (KD was only good at free kicks etc.) ...and the irony of the whole thing is ... Keon is actually a technical player ... the sort of player ffisback thinks has been excluded historically.
During the period that KD was an active international, the assertion regarding his total vis-à-vis Molino and Guerra combined, maybe about equal. I will place that in Tallman's hands to troubleshoot. Guerra doesn't have a remarkable goal scoring tally at NT level. However, not lost in the comparison has to be that KD begins from a deeper starting position on the pitch.
And yes, in stinking up de place he did score clutch goals.
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During the period that KD was an active international, the assertion regarding his total vis-à-vis Molino and Guerra combined, maybe about equal. I will place that in Tallman's hands to troubleshoot. Guerra doesn't have a remarkable goal scoring tally at NT level. However, not lost in the comparison has to be that KD begins from a deeper starting position on the pitch.
And yes, in stinking up de place he did score clutch goals.
Kevin Molino: 20 goals, 50 caps
Keon Daniel: 14 goals, 59 caps
Ataulla Guerra: 7 goals, 43 caps
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During the period that KD was an active international, the assertion regarding his total vis-à-vis Molino and Guerra combined, maybe about equal. I will place that in Tallman's hands to troubleshoot. Guerra doesn't have a remarkable goal scoring tally at NT level. However, not lost in the comparison has to be that KD begins from a deeper starting position on the pitch.
And yes, in stinking up de place he did score clutch goals.
Kevin Molino: 20 goals, 50 caps
Keon Daniel: 14 goals, 59 caps
Ataulla Guerra: 7 goals, 43 caps
1. What I want/ed you to confirm is how many goals Molino has scored since Keon played his last international. I think he's scored 16 goals in that period and Guerra 5 during the same time frame. That being the case, pullstones' assertion would be correct (KD outscored KM and AG combined).
14 > (4+1) during Daniel's tenure is what we have?
(Of course Molino has had injuries that have restricted his overall tally and Guerra absences.)
2. Is it fair to say that other players who took the baton from KD have not been as goal prolific?
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Keon was skillfull with good first touch.To me he played well against the Caribbean opposition. But when it come to the big games, he was not "explosive". But he was a pretty decent player.
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Most of the people and coach's in TT like players like K Daniel K Cummings etc they like them English footballers who are good dead ball specialist but that's all they can do these have a easy path to the NT look at how hard players like S De Silva M W Ling and J Garcia have to get on the NT .
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During the period that KD was an active international, the assertion regarding his total vis-à-vis Molino and Guerra combined, maybe about equal. I will place that in Tallman's hands to troubleshoot. Guerra doesn't have a remarkable goal scoring tally at NT level. However, not lost in the comparison has to be that KD begins from a deeper starting position on the pitch.
And yes, in stinking up de place he did score clutch goals.
Kevin Molino: 20 goals, 50 caps
Keon Daniel: 14 goals, 59 caps
Ataulla Guerra: 7 goals, 43 caps
I feel vindicated !!
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During the period that KD was an active international, the assertion regarding his total vis-à-vis Molino and Guerra combined, maybe about equal. I will place that in Tallman's hands to troubleshoot. Guerra doesn't have a remarkable goal scoring tally at NT level. However, not lost in the comparison has to be that KD begins from a deeper starting position on the pitch.
And yes, in stinking up de place he did score clutch goals.
Kevin Molino: 20 goals, 50 caps
Keon Daniel: 14 goals, 59 caps
Ataulla Guerra: 7 goals, 43 caps
I feel vindicated !!
Context is lost on you.
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During the period that KD was an active international, the assertion regarding his total vis-à-vis Molino and Guerra combined, maybe about equal. I will place that in Tallman's hands to troubleshoot. Guerra doesn't have a remarkable goal scoring tally at NT level. However, not lost in the comparison has to be that KD begins from a deeper starting position on the pitch.
And yes, in stinking up de place he did score clutch goals.
Kevin Molino: 20 goals, 50 caps
Keon Daniel: 14 goals, 59 caps
Ataulla Guerra: 7 goals, 43 caps
1. What I want/ed you to confirm is how many goals Molino has scored since Keon played his last international. I think he's scored 16 goals in that period and Guerra 5 during the same time frame. That being the case, pullstones' assertion would be correct (KD outscored KM and AG combined).
Keon Daniel's last International match was against Mexico on July 20th 2013. Since then, Kevin Molino has scored 17 goals in 31 games, and Ataulla Guerra has scored 5 goals in 21 games.
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During the period that KD was an active international, the assertion regarding his total vis-à-vis Molino and Guerra combined, maybe about equal. I will place that in Tallman's hands to troubleshoot. Guerra doesn't have a remarkable goal scoring tally at NT level. However, not lost in the comparison has to be that KD begins from a deeper starting position on the pitch.
And yes, in stinking up de place he did score clutch goals.
Kevin Molino: 20 goals, 50 caps
Keon Daniel: 14 goals, 59 caps
Ataulla Guerra: 7 goals, 43 caps
1. What I want/ed you to confirm is how many goals Molino has scored since Keon played his last international. I think he's scored 16 goals in that period and Guerra 5 during the same time frame. That being the case, pullstones' assertion would be correct (KD outscored KM and AG combined).
Keon Daniel's last International match was against Mexico on July 20th 2013. Since then, Kevin Molino has scored 17 goals in 31 games, and Ataulla Guerra has scored 5 goals in 21 games.
Wow these stats bring this argument to light it took K Daniel 59 games to score 14 goals in 6 years Ataulla Guerra scored 5 goals in 21 games in 6 years had he played the same amount of games as K Daniel he could have surpass K Daniel and K Molino scored 17 goals in 31 games in 6 years had he played the same amount games as K Daniel he would more than double the amount of goals that K Daniel scored in the same period that's mind boggling :o.