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Title: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: Trini _2022 on November 04, 2019, 02:51:23 PM
TTFA launches League of Champions.
By Joel Bailey (Newsday).


THE TT Football Association (TTFA) League of Champions tournament was launched yesterday, at the Home of Football, Balmain, Couva.

The inaugural event, which kicks off on Sunday and runs until April 12, will feature a number of teams who either opted out of the 2019 Terminix Super League or were deemed non-compliant, as well as a National XI (T&T Under-17 team).

Defence Force, Police, Matura ReUnited, Guaya United, Miscellaneous Laventille United, Moruga FC, Harlem Strikers, Central Soccer World and Marabella Family Crisis Centre and the Tobago-based pair of Youth Stars United and Tobago Phoenix are the other participating teams.

According to TTFA director of competitions, Sharon O’Brien, each participating club will receive $51,200,which will be split into three parts: $25,600 (which was presented yesterday to the participants); $12,800 (during the midway point of the season); and the remaining sum (minus any fees incurred) at the end of the tournament.

TTFA president David John-Williams has repeatedly claimed that the local governing body is cash-strapped.

Asked if the influx of monies for this tournament came from the FIFA Forward Programme, board member Selby Browne, who chaired the launch, replied, “The FIFA Forward Programme was a condition of the association receiving money from FIFA. That is TTFA’s money.

“When that money gets to the TTFA, it is the TTFA’s money to do what it says it will do. On an annual basis, each association will request from FIFA what its plans are.”

The teams will have to be registered under the FIFA Connect system and matches will be contested on Sundays. “The teams will participate in two rounds of football,” O’Brien said. During the launch, Browne spoke at length about the history of T&T football, the re-establishment of financial stability of T&T football and the restructuring of T&T football.

Among the dignitaries were TTFA officials Anthony Moore (who also serves as president of the Tobago Football Association) and Collin Partap.

Click here for details on the TTFA League of Champion (http://ttfootball.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/TTFA-League-of-Champions-2019_20-Season1.pdf)s

https://www.youtube.com/v/0d6TpeYmUOI
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: maxg on November 04, 2019, 03:52:46 PM
Could someone explain this league please. How come it's only some clubs ? Why only these clubs ? etc Maybe I missed something. ..What Police team is this ? Is it an age group competition ? I think Selby tends to make my mind wander with his posturing, so I suspect I  have some concentration issues.
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: asylumseeker on November 04, 2019, 06:21:04 PM
Could someone explain this league please. How come it's only some clubs ? Why only these clubs ? etc Maybe I missed something. ..What Police team is this ? Is it an age group competition ? I think Selby tends to make my mind wander with his posturing, so I suspect I  have some concentration issues.

I took a pause during the preamble. Will try again later.
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: Tallman on November 04, 2019, 06:48:06 PM
Could someone explain this league please. How come it's only some clubs ? Why only these clubs ? etc Maybe I missed something. ..What Police team is this ? Is it an age group competition ? I think Selby tends to make my mind wander with his posturing, so I suspect I  have some concentration issues.

I took a pause during the preamble. Will try again later.

I mehself.
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: AZZURRI on November 04, 2019, 07:01:36 PM
How is Police FC, Matura, Guaya & Phoenix going to manage playing in this league as well as having teams in the Super league?


This a one-off tourney?
Something done to secure a mandate quickly with FIFA?

Honest questions, jsut confused by it here
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: asylumseeker on November 04, 2019, 07:12:35 PM
WATCH: Summary of the TTFA League of Champions launch

https://youtube.com/v/Z6TAGugC_b8
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: asylumseeker on November 04, 2019, 07:28:20 PM
How is Police FC, Matura, Guaya & Phoenix going to manage playing in this league as well as having teams in the Super league?


This a one-off tourney?
Something done to secure a mandate quickly with FIFA?

Honest questions, jsut confused by it here

Definitely designed to rescue a point in stoppage time.
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: asylumseeker on November 04, 2019, 07:51:04 PM
List of teams announced as League of Champions participants:

Central Soccer World
Defence Force FC
Guaya United
Harlem Strikers
Marabella Family Crisis Centre
Matura ReUnited
Miscellaneous Laventille United
Moruga FC
National XI (U20s)
Police FC
1976 FC Phoenix
Youth Stars United

I suggest cross referencing  this initiative and who is involved with the following articles and content in bold. See where it leads you.

Quote
The decisions were taken democratically by 12 of the TTSL’s 14 current member clubs. Those are: Bethel United, Club Sando, Cunupia FC, FC Santa Rosa, Guaya United, Petit Valley/Diego Martin United, Police FC, Prison Service FC, QPCC FC, RSSR FC, San Fernando Giants and UTT FC. Erin FC and Matura ReUnited were both absent.

Santa Rosa, the club of TTSL president Keith Look Loy, Bethel United, Club Sando and San Fernando Giants all retained their voting rights. However, clubs voted to remove Guaya United, Cunupia FC, Petit Valley/Diego Martin United and Police FC. The latter four were replaced by Prison Service, QPCC, RSSR and UTT.

https://wired868.com/2019/10/28/ttsl-on-election-footing-united-ttfa-appear-strengthened-after-shuffle-of-voting-delegates/


AND


Suspended TTSL clubs threaten legal action.
By Walter Alibey (Guardian).


Clubs who were de­barred from en­ter­ing or vot­ing at Sun­day's An­nu­al Gen­er­al Meet­ing (AGM) of the T&T Su­per League at the Queen's Park Oval are now seek­ing le­gal ad­vice that could over­turn the se­lec­tion of del­e­gates for the forth­com­ing T&T Foot­ball As­so­ci­a­tion elec­tions on No­vem­ber 24.

And one mem­ber has open­ly called on his col­leagues to throw their sup­port be­hind Ter­minix La Hor­quet­ta Rangers man­ag­ing di­rec­tor Richard Fer­gu­son, whose ac­tions to date, he said, have been an ex­am­ple of what should hap­pen in lo­cal foot­ball for it to progress.

Mara­bel­la Fam­i­ly Cri­sis Cen­tre, Harlem Strik­ers, Phoenix FC and 500 Spar­tans, among oth­er clubs, were in­formed Sun­day that they had been sus­pend­ed as mem­bers and share­hold­ers when they showed up for the TTSL AGM. Guaya Unit­ed boss Randy Ha­gley al­so was not al­lowed en­try in­to the meet­ing had to threat­en le­gal ac­tion be­fore be­ing giv­en en­try and al­so be­ing al­lowed to vote.

Yes­ter­day, two days af­ter the meet­ing, Mara­bel­la FCC's Ter­rence Boissiere and Harlem Strik­ers Gre­go­ry Mc Sween made it clear they are not tak­ing the ac­tion light­ly.

The two, along with oth­er clubs ex­ec­u­tives, said they have let­ters of com­mit­ment from the Su­per League that they will be in­clud­ed in the 2019 edi­tion of the tour­na­ment af­ter they missed the 2018 sea­son due to reg­is­tra­tion mix-ups.

"As mem­bers of the T&TFA, we were not giv­en let­ters of our sus­pen­sion and for what rea­son, which is a manda­to­ry process. I was in­formed of my club's sus­pen­sion while hav­ing a drink at a bar," Mc Sween told the T&T Guardian.

Boissiere and Mc Sween be­lieve the de­ci­sion to sus­pend them con­sti­tut­ed a ma­jor breach of the con­sti­tu­tion and was un­fair­ly done by TTSL pres­i­dent Kei­th Look Loy to get del­e­gates to vote for his Unit­ed TTFA slate at the com­ing TTFA elec­tions.

Cunu­pia FC coach Michael De Four, who was al­lowed to vote on Sun­day, told Guardian Me­dia that Look Loy and the Su­per League ex­ec­u­tive had months to de­cide on a date to vote for del­e­gates, but wait­ed un­til a month be­fore the TTFA elec­tion to hasti­ly send out in­for­ma­tion, which some mem­bers may not have got­ten. He said he be­lieved this was done de­lib­er­ate­ly to keep cer­tain mem­bers away.

Ha­gley echoed sim­i­lar sen­ti­ments when con­tact­ed. Guaya Unit­ed was one of eight TTSL del­e­gates be­fore Sun­day but they have now been re­placed. Guaya Unit­ed, Pe­tit Val­ley/Diego Mar­tin Unit­ed, Po­lice FC and Cunu­pia FC were re­placed among the del­e­gate list­ing by RSSR, Prison Ser­vice, QPCC and UTT. The new eight del­e­gates are now FC San­ta Rosa, Pris­ons, Queen's Park, RSSR, UTT, Club San­do, Bethel Unit­ed and San Fer­nan­do Gi­ants.

Con­tact­ed on Tues­day, Look Loy said, "The Su­per League is a de­mo­c­ra­t­ic or­gan­i­sa­tion, de­ci­sions were tak­en and the en­tire League stands by those de­ci­sions and what any­one else has to say is im­ma­te­r­i­al, I have no re­sponse to that.

"I am not go­ing to en­gage in any bac­cha­nal with peo­ple who have been sub­ject­ed to the rule of law by the ma­jor­i­ty of the League."

Mean­while, the TTSL con­firmed that Bethel Unit­ed FC, Club San­do, FC San­ta Rosa, Pris­ons FC, Queen's Park Crick­et Club, RSSR FC, San Fer­nan­do Gi­ants FC and UTT FC had been elect­ed to rep­re­sent TTSL at the 2019 TTFA AGM. In a re­lease, it said 12 of the TTSL's 14 clubs par­tic­i­pat­ed in Sat­ur­day's AGM at the Queen's Park Oval and the meet­ing al­so unan­i­mous­ly ap­proved the 2018 Ac­tiv­i­ty Re­port and Au­dit­ed Fi­nan­cial State­ment. It added that An­der­son Veronique was al­so elect­ed to the TTSL board at the meet­ing.

As far as the TTFA elec­tion is con­cerned, Guaya Unit­ed's Ha­gley has open­ly said he will sup­port in­cum­bent TTFA pres­i­dent David John-Williams in the elec­tion race, but De Four yes­ter­day called on mem­bers to throw their sup­port be­hind Fer­gu­son, say­ing he has shown what should be done by clubs to gen­er­ate mon­ey and be­come self-sus­tain­able, as well as how foot­ball should be man­aged, in the short time he has been in­volved in lo­cal foot­ball.

"This is a man who has shown the ca­pa­bil­i­ty to gen­er­ate funds by the way he runs his club alone. He has al­so shown the abil­i­ty to man­age the sport the way the coun­try needs it. Un­like the oth­er can­di­dates who are promis­ing to se­cure funds, this man will be pro­vid­ing his fund­ing and I am sure he will turn the for­tunes of T&T foot­ball around if giv­en a chance," De Four said.

He added, "I can­not imag­ine the elec­torate vot­ing for any­one else but Fer­gu­son, know­ing what he has to of­fer. It will be sad if that hap­pens."

Compare and contrast. Nothing here is coincidence. It is a patchwork of disgruntled clubs, opportunism, "road paving" and dangled incentives.
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: AZZURRI on November 04, 2019, 07:59:25 PM
How is Police FC, Matura, Guaya & Phoenix going to manage playing in this league as well as having teams in the Super league?


This a one-off tourney?
Something done to secure a mandate quickly with FIFA?

Honest questions, jsut confused by it here

Definitely designed to rescue a point in stoppage time.

LOL take win
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: Deeks on November 05, 2019, 05:44:17 AM
No wonder we football stinks. Try making sense out this utter nonsense. DJW appears to be caught off guard a bit by the Wallace camp. But he is using his TTFA position and Concacaf-Fifa connection to squash Wallace. Straight in the footsteps of the special advisor.
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: asylumseeker on November 05, 2019, 06:29:12 AM
Where did the $ for this road paving project emerge from? Was that stated in the long version?
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: asylumseeker on November 06, 2019, 02:42:38 PM
Could someone explain this league please. How come it's only some clubs ? Why only these clubs ? etc Maybe I missed something. ..What Police team is this ? Is it an age group competition ? I think Selby tends to make my mind wander with his posturing, so I suspect I  have some concentration issues.

I took a pause during the preamble. Will try again later.

I mehself.


Ah now start to watch the video again ... so ah say lehme start deep in de proceedings to see how thing progressed. Ah click around minute 23:00 to find Selby laying it on thick with each check pre$ented, but de REAL classic was the presentation to Lt. Ryan Ottley of Defence Force:

"Officer, it's a distinct pleasure to make this presentation to the Defence Force and we feel that your ... [very pregnant pause] ... decision is well-placed ... in its loyalty to the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago and Trinidad and Tobago Football Association. Thank you!"

A masterclass in nearly subliminal messaging.  :) :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: RichGFootball on November 06, 2019, 06:08:17 PM
The national U20's. Can anyone give a full readout of the possible college/university eligibility fall out from taking part in this 'league'?
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: asylumseeker on November 06, 2019, 07:46:00 PM
The national U20's. Can anyone give a full readout of the possible college/university eligibility fall out from taking part in this 'league'?

Frankly, if you're playing in this league you probably shouldn't be interested in going to college.

Other than that, potentially, prize money clauses (not sure whether this policy will be revised as the NCAA restructures its policy) could be one area of concern.

As far as I gather, this competition is ostensibly an amateur venture on the face of it.
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: AZZURRI on November 06, 2019, 10:39:43 PM
do we have a U20 team in training?
Who's our U20 coach ?


I'm hoping the word going around is false, that the U-15 team is the National team being used in this tourney......

first round is this weekend.
anyone heading ato boldon for the "national Eleven's" game?
Title: TTFA's gimmick league - United TTFA
Post by: Tallman on November 07, 2019, 12:52:47 PM
TTFA's gimmick league - United TTFA
By Walter Alibey (T&T Guardian)


The Unit­ed TTFA, be­ing led by William Wal­lace, views the new T&T Foot­ball As­so­ci­a­tion's League of Cham­pi­ons tour­na­ment as a mere po­lit­i­cal gim­mick.

The tour­na­ment was launched on Mon­day morn­ing, mere hours be­fore pres­i­dent David John-Williams re­vealed that fi­nan­cial com­mit­ment pur­port­ed to have been giv­en by the Ju­nior Sam­my Group of Com­pa­nies to the Unit­ed TTFA group, was a fake.

Yes­ter­day the Unit­ed TTFA, in its third re­lease in less than a week, said the League of Cham­pi­ons was a move to cre­ate an im­pres­sion that the John-Williams ad­min­is­tra­tion was do­ing some­thing for lo­cal club foot­ball.

on Wednes­day the Unit­ed TTFA said that the League was al­so de­signed to un­der­mine the T&T Su­per League, as the gen­er­al pol­i­cy of Unit­ed TTFA is to pro­mote foot­ball in T&T, and with­in that, to fos­ter the de­vel­op­ment of club foot­ball.

Wal­lace, who heads the slate along­side his vice pres­i­dents- Clynt Tay­lor (CFA), Sam Phillips and Su­san Joseph-War­rick, said "Unit­ed TTFA con­demns the use of our club foot­ball as a mere tool in the po­lit­i­cal ar­se­nal of the David John-Williams ad­min­is­tra­tion, and as cheap gim­micky ahead of the 24 No­vem­ber TTFA an­nu­al gen­er­al meet­ing (AGM) for the elec­tion of of­fi­cers.

Unit­ed TTFA promis­es the TTFA elec­torate and the peo­ple of T&T that it will adopt the nec­es­sary mea­sures to es­tab­lish a prop­er elite league in 2020, the ground­work for which has al­ready been laid."

They not­ed the group drew its con­clu­sion based on (1): A pro­pos­al for the for­ma­tion of the league has not been sub­mit­ted for ap­proval to the TTFA Board of Di­rec­tors, 2:The clear ab­sence of ob­jec­tive cri­te­ria in the se­lec­tion of the league's mem­ber­ship. Specif­i­cal­ly, we point to a) the fact that of the four­teen pro­posed mem­bers on­ly three are 2018 cham­pi­ons (of CFA, SFA and NFA), b) the in­clu­sion of two clubs that have not par­tic­i­pat­ed in re­gion­al or any oth­er TTFA-af­fil­i­at­ed foot­ball since 2017, and c) the in­clu­sion of sev­er­al clubs that have been le­git­i­mate­ly sus­pend­ed by the TT Su­per League.

3. Unit­ed TTFA al­so notes: a) TTFA web­site in­for­ma­tion on this league in­cludes a "Na­tion­al Un­der-20 team", which is a clear hoax as the TTFA Board of Di­rec­tors has not au­tho­rized the for­ma­tion of, nor ap­point­ed a staff to, any such na­tion­al team to par­tic­i­pate in this league, and b) TTFA web­site in­for­ma­tion al­so in­cludes ref­er­ence to two TT Su­per League clubs - Pris­ons FC and Pe­tit Val­ley/Diego Mar­tin Unit­ed FC - which are not par­tic­i­pat­ing in this so-called TTFA League of Cham­pi­ons, while fix­tures in­clude the for­mer:

4. The David John-Williams ad­min­is­tra­tion has not met with the TTFA Ref­er­ee Com­mit­tee to dis­cuss and or­ga­nize match of­fi­cials for this league. This is dis­re­spect­ful and un­pro­fes­sion­al.

5. Unit­ed TTFA is alarmed at the fact that the David John-Williams ad­min­is­tra­tion is pre­pared to spend ap­prox­i­mate­ly one mil­lion dol­lars (TTD 1M) on a pick up league when it con­sis­tent­ly main­tained it did not have fund­ing for the pro­posed T-League that was agreed to un­der a Mem­o­ran­dum of Agree­ment signed by TTFA, the TT Pro League and the TTF Su­per League. Unit­ed TTFA calls for dis­clo­sure of the source of fund­ing for this league.

RELATED NEWS

League of Champions no election gimmick.
By Jelani Beckles (Newsday).


United TTFA questions timing of new league but DJW says,

IT continues to be a war of words between the president of the TT Football Association (TTFA) David John-Williams and the United TTFA leading up to the TTFA elections on November 24.

A press conference was held, on Monday, to announce that the newly formed TTFA League of Champions tournament will be played from Sunday to April 12.

Defence Force, Police, Matura ReUnited, Guaya United, Miscellaneous Laventille United, Moruga FC, Harlem Strikers, Central Soccer World and Marabella Family Crisis Centre and the Tobago-based pair of Youth Stars United and Tobago Phoenix are among the participating teams.

A press release issued yesterday by The United TTFA questioned the timing of the new league as it comes less than three weeks before elections.

“The general policy of United TTFA is to promote football in TT, and within that to foster the development of club football. Nonetheless, United TTFA holds the view that the new league to be launched by the David John-Williams administration on 10 November – the so-called TTFA League of Champions – is a political gimmick intended to create the impression that TTFA is doing something for local club football and to undermine the TT Super League.”

The release added that it has based this conclusion on a number of factors including the TTFA not meeting with the TTFA Referee Committee to discuss and organise match officials for this league. According to the United TTFA this is disrespectful and unprofessional. The United TTFA is also questioning the FA’s source of funding to start the league after continuously complaining about a shortage of funds.

United TTFA promised the TTFA electorate and the people of TT that it will adopt the necessary measures to establish a proper elite league in 2020.

In response to the release by United TTFA, John-Williams told Newsday the TTFA tried to unify football in TT months ago by creating a two-tier league involving Pro League teams in the first tier and Super League teams in the second tier.

The teams in the second tier would have tried to earn promotion to the second tier, but that proposal was blanked by the TT Super League. The president of the TT Super League is Keith Look Loy, who is part of the United TTFA.

John-Williams said the TTFA League of Champions tournament is for the interest of football and not about politics.

“The TTFA is responsible for football in this country and it is not a political gimmick because if it was a political gimmick it would have been teams who (were) involved with delegates would have playing in the league. None of those clubs could vote.”

John-Williams, the president of local club W Connection said he knows the value of club football. “The football is the football and the politics is the politics. I am a person who grew up in the football, I did not grow up in the politics. I was accustom running my club in a particular way and you never hear my club being political. For some reason, people felt I was important to run the football affairs of this country and I do it as a national service. I know about players, I know about running a club, I know how players feel, I know the importance of club football. That is another attempt to distract what is right.”

Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: maxg on November 08, 2019, 07:00:08 AM
I stand corrected
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: asylumseeker on November 08, 2019, 05:09:46 PM
I stand corrected

As in you are now convinced it's a gimmick?
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: Tallman on November 08, 2019, 05:46:38 PM
I stand corrected

As in you are now convinced it's a gimmick?

Two days before the league starts. Where are the fixtures?
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: Deeks on November 08, 2019, 06:56:35 PM
Are telling allyuh. Straight out of the jack warner text book.
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: Flex on November 09, 2019, 01:34:41 AM
Suspended 4 in TTFA League of Champions.
By Walter Alibey (Guardian).


Clubs who were deemed non-com­pli­ant and who could not qual­i­fy to play in this year’s Ter­minix Su­per League now have the op­por­tu­ni­ty for ac­tion in the new T&T Foot­ball As­so­ci­a­tion’s League of Cham­pi­ons.

The new tour­na­ment will fea­ture the three of the four sus­pend­ed Su­per League clubs — De­fence Force, Harlem Strik­ers and Mara­bel­la Fam­i­ly Cri­sis Cen­tre, to­geth­er with Guaya Unit­ed, Po­lice FC, Matu­ra Re­Unit­ed, Mis­cel­la­neous Laven­tille, Moru­ga FC, Cen­tral Soc­cer­world, To­ba­go Phoenix and To­ba­go Youth Stars. The tour­na­ment will al­so see guest ap­pear­ances from the coun­try’s Na­tion­al Un­der-17 team un­der a Na­tion­al XI ban­ner. The com­pe­ti­tion will run un­til April 12 next year.

At a launch at the Home of Foot­ball in Cou­va on Mon­day, it was re­vealed that each club will re­ceive a hefty sum of $51,200 in parts, be­fore, dur­ing and at the end of the tour­na­ment.

It is un­der­stood the clubs re­ceived $25,600 on Mon­day and are set to col­lect an­oth­er $12, 800 mid­way through the sea­son, with the re­main­ing amount at the end.

T&TFA board mem­ber and chair­man of the com­mit­tee charged with the re­spon­si­bil­i­ty of trans­form­ing T&T foot­ball, Sel­by Browne, Di­rec­tor of Com­pe­ti­tion Sharon O’Brien and oth­er board mem­bers Col­in Par­tap, Cen­tral Foot­ball As­so­ci­a­tion (CFA) rep­re­sen­ta­tive and An­tho­ny Moore (To­ba­go Foot­ball As­so­ci­a­tion) were present at the launch.

Browne said the tour­na­ment was a move to­ward the de­vel­op­ment of the sport in T&T, not­ing, “The next struc­ture, the next ini­tia­tive is the re­struc­tur­ing of foot­ball in T&T and the path­way to na­tion­al A-League foot­ball. The Board of Di­rec­tors of the T&TFA unan­i­mous­ly ap­point­ed a com­mit­tee to deal with all as­pects re­struc­tur­ing foot­ball in T&T, to which we have had a tremen­dous re­sponse.”

Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: Flex on November 12, 2019, 02:50:25 AM
TTFA 'League Of Champions' in disarray.
T&T Guardian Reports.


The new League of Cham­pi­ons, be­ing put on by the T&T Foot­ball As­so­ci­a­tion is in dis­ar­ray, the Unit­ed TTFA, be­ing head­ed by William Wal­lace, be­lieves.

On the League's open­ing day Sun­day, some match­es did not have any of­fi­cial ref­er­ees, while oth­ers had to be post­poned.

The Unit­ed TTFA, in a re­lease on Mon­day said the league was put on to help in­cum­bent TTFA pres­i­dent David John-Williams with his elec­tion cam­paign on No­vem­ber 24.

"Unit­ed TTFA wish­es to un­der­line the ab­ject­ly po­lit­i­cal na­ture and tim­ing of the League of Cham­pi­ons launched by the David John-Williams ad­min­is­tra­tion ahead of the TTFA elec­tions of 24 No­vem­ber. This com­pe­ti­tion, which has noth­ing to do with the de­vel­op­ment of the lo­cal club game and every­thing to do with John-Williams shod­dy elec­tion cam­paign, kicked off yes­ter­day with­out TTFA ref­er­ees."

The re­lease stat­ed al­so that the match be­tween De­fence Force and Laven­tille Unit­ed FC was played with three un­of­fi­cial ref­er­ees sup­plied by De­fence Force, as no TTFA ref­er­ees turned up. And the match be­tween Po­lice FC and Mara­bel­la FCC was played with two un­of­fi­cial Po­lice as­sis­tant ref­er­ees, as for yet an­oth­er time, as there were no TTFA ref­er­ees at the venue.

It not­ed "The match be­tween Guaya Unit­ed FC and Harlem Strik­ers FC was played with un­of­fi­cial ref­er­ees ap­point­ed by both teams. No TTFA ref­er­ees turned up. The match be­tween 1976 Phoenix FC and Youth Stars FC was post­poned be­cause the for­mer is play­ing in the TT Pro League FCB Cup, i.e. play­ing with one team in two TTFA com­pe­ti­tions si­mul­ta­ne­ous­ly."

"The match be­tween Matu­ra Re­unit­ed FC and Cen­tral Soc­cer World was played with un­of­fi­cial ref­er­ees ap­point­ed by both teams. No TTFA ref­er­ees turned up. And the match be­tween Moru­ga FC and "Na­tion­al Team" was post­poned. In this re­gard, Unit­ed TTFA un­der­stands the "Na­tion­al Team" re­ferred to in the fix­tures is the na­tion­al Un­der-15 team. The play­ers have been re­quired to reg­is­ter."

The Unit­ed TTFA group which has al­ready rolled out an im­pres­sive plan to man­age the af­fairs of the sport from No­vem­ber 24 should they be elect­ed, has called John-Williams to clar­i­fy why na­tion­al team would com­prise 14 and 15 years olds, which they con­sid­er to be a trans­gres­sion of every prin­ci­ple of child phys­i­o­log­i­cal and psy­cho­log­i­cal de­vel­op­ment and every re­quire­ment for the de­vel­op­ment of young tal­ents.

The group be­lieves the stag­ing of the League of Cham­pi­ons is a show of ut­ter dis­re­spect for all TTFA ref­er­ee bod­ies, by not ap­proach­ing them to dis­cuss ref­er­ee ser­vices and the pay­ment.

Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: asylumseeker on November 12, 2019, 07:00:57 AM
Quote
"The match be­tween Matu­ra Re­unit­ed FC and Cen­tral Soc­cer World was played with un­of­fi­cial ref­er­ees ap­point­ed by both teams. No TTFA ref­er­ees turned up. And the match be­tween Moru­ga FC and "Na­tion­al Team" was post­poned. In this re­gard, Unit­ed TTFA un­der­stands the "Na­tion­al Team" re­ferred to in the fix­tures is the na­tion­al Un­der-15 team. The play­ers have been re­quired to reg­is­ter."

Only this directionally bankrupt administration would find 'make believe' continuity for the U15s but condemn the U23s and U21/20s to pasture. :whip:
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: asylumseeker on November 12, 2019, 07:15:09 AM
Quote
The Unit­ed TTFA group which has al­ready rolled out an im­pres­sive plan to man­age the af­fairs of the sport from No­vem­ber 24 should they be elect­ed, has called John-Williams to clar­i­fy why na­tion­al team would com­prise 14 and 15 years olds, which they con­sid­er to be a trans­gres­sion of every prin­ci­ple of child phys­i­o­log­i­cal and psy­cho­log­i­cal de­vel­op­ment and every re­quire­ment for the de­vel­op­ment of young tal­ents.

Ah betting there won't be another hastily arranged press conference to explain the hastily arranged "fake league" that is a Get Out The Vote project and 'make work' venture that defies all sort of footballing rationality.

Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: soccerman on November 12, 2019, 10:49:59 AM
Quote
The Unit­ed TTFA group which has al­ready rolled out an im­pres­sive plan to man­age the af­fairs of the sport from No­vem­ber 24 should they be elect­ed, has called John-Williams to clar­i­fy why na­tion­al team would com­prise 14 and 15 years olds, which they con­sid­er to be a trans­gres­sion of every prin­ci­ple of child phys­i­o­log­i­cal and psy­cho­log­i­cal de­vel­op­ment and every re­quire­ment for the de­vel­op­ment of young tal­ents.
Ah betting there won't be another hastily arranged press conference to explain the hastily arranged "fake league" that is a Get Out The Vote project and 'make work' venture that defies all sort of footballing rationality.
So they have the U15's competing in an adult league? That's not ideal and can actually be counteractive to their development for players at such a young age. It's funny because I just read something in DJW campaign for President that Seeker self highlighted on another thread, item #8 about tested and tried methods for youth development lol
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: asylumseeker on November 12, 2019, 10:58:46 AM
Quote
The Unit­ed TTFA group which has al­ready rolled out an im­pres­sive plan to man­age the af­fairs of the sport from No­vem­ber 24 should they be elect­ed, has called John-Williams to clar­i­fy why na­tion­al team would com­prise 14 and 15 years olds, which they con­sid­er to be a trans­gres­sion of every prin­ci­ple of child phys­i­o­log­i­cal and psy­cho­log­i­cal de­vel­op­ment and every re­quire­ment for the de­vel­op­ment of young tal­ents.
Ah betting there won't be another hastily arranged press conference to explain the hastily arranged "fake league" that is a Get Out The Vote project and 'make work' venture that defies all sort of footballing rationality.
So they have the U15's competing in an adult league? That's not ideal and can actually be counteractive to their development for players at such a young age. It's funny because I just read something in DJW campaign for President that Seeker self highlighted on another thread, item #8 about tested and tried methods for youth development lol

I await the official response.
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: Flex on November 17, 2019, 04:27:23 PM
Police hit Marabella for six.
By Joel Bailey (Newsday).


POLICE thrashed Marabella Family Crisis Centre 6-1 on Sunday, on Match Day One of the TTFA (TT Football Association) League of Champions.

Donavon Derrick scored a hat-trick, in the 14th, 63rd and 88th minutes, while Ian Saunders (61st and 89th) netted twice and Jervon Ramie (85th) notched the other item.

Patrick Pierre got the consolation strike for Marabella Family Crisis Centre, in the 35th.

Guaya United got the better of Harlem Strikers 3-1 in Sunday’s other meeting.

Carlon Hughes netted a pair, after finding the back of the net in the 75th and 81st minutes, after Keston Frontin opened the scoring for Guaya, on the hour-mark.

Osaze Springer was the goal-getter for Harlem, in the 76th.

Title: TTFA Statement on League of Champions
Post by: Tallman on December 05, 2019, 05:18:14 PM
TTFA Statement on League of Champions
TTFA Media


Trinidad and Tobago Football Association President William Wallace and officials of the FA met with representatives of the clubs participating in the recently launched TTFA League of Champions at the Ato Boldon Stadium today.

Following cordial discussions, the TTFA advises that the following decisions were reached:
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: Deeks on December 06, 2019, 05:32:44 AM
I think most forumites felt that This DJW league was a vaps league in reaction to WW and Utd TTFA emergence for the just held election.
Title: TTFA: No $$ for League of Champions
Post by: Tallman on December 06, 2019, 06:02:53 AM
TTFA: No $$ for League of Champions
By Joel Bailey (T&T Newsday)


THE T&T Football Association (TTFA) has withdrawn its support from the League of Champions tournament, which was launched by former president David John-Williams last month.

This decision was made after a meeting, on Thursday, at the Ato Boldon Stadium, in Couva, between TTFA president William Wallace, TTFA officials and representatives of the participating clubs. According to a TTFA media release, “The TTFA is not in a position to support the running of the League after it was discovered that there is inadequate funding for this purpose.”

The media release continued, “The clubs have agreed to have the league condensed to one round with matches resuming on the weekend of December 14, with the clubs covering all costs incurred.” The League of Champions tournament was launched on November 4, at the Home of Football, Balmain, Couva. The inaugural event, which was initially set to run until April 12, featured a number of teams who either opted out of the 2019 Terminix Super League or were deemed non-compliant, as well as a National XI (TT Under-15 team).

Defence Force, Police, Matura ReUnited, Guaya United, Miscellaneous Laventille United, Moruga FC, Harlem Strikers, Central Soccer World and Marabella Family Crisis Centre and the Tobago-based pair of Youth Stars United and Tobago Phoenix are the other participating teams. The Under-15 team will no longer be a part of this event, while the TTFA plans to launch a new league structure in 2020, subject to board approval.

At the launch, then TTFA director of competitions, Sharon O’Brien, mentioned that each participating club will receive $51,200,which will be split into three parts: $25,600 (which was presented to the participants during the launch); $12,800 (during the midway point of the season); and the remaining sum (minus any fees incurred) at the end of the tournament. Asked if the influx of monies for this tournament came from the FIFA Forward Programme, Selby Browne, who chaired the launch, and who was an ally of ex-president David John-Williams, then replied, “The FIFA Forward Programme was a condition of the association receiving money from FIFA. That is TTFA’s money.

“When that money gets to the TTFA, it is the TTFA’s money to do what it says it will do. On an annual basis, each association will request from FIFA what its plans are.”
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: asylumseeker on December 06, 2019, 07:51:09 AM
The national U-15s, huh?  :) Hold tight.
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: Tiresais on December 06, 2019, 03:53:16 PM
Least shocking announcement ever
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: Flex on January 30, 2020, 04:21:12 PM
TTFA League of Champions back on.
By Walter Alibey (Guardian).


De­fence Force, Guaya Unit­ed and Moru­ga FC are three of 11 teams that are yet to re­ceived their first-tranche of $25, 600 for their par­tic­i­pa­tion in the T&T Foot­ball As­so­ci­a­tion- sanc­tioned League of Cham­pi­ons.

Yes­ter­day Randy Ha­gley, the Guaya Unit­ed boss said his cheque was can­celled by some­one from the foot­ball as­so­ci­a­tion af­ter he re­fused to re­turn it up­on a re­quest by the TTFA.

The League was ini­tial­ly giv­en the go-ahead by the then David John-Williams-led foot­ball as­so­ci­a­tion to run for two years, be­fore the William Wal­lace-led ad­min­is­tra­tion stopped it up­on their suc­cess­ful elec­tion as the sports new ad­min­is­tra­tors, cit­ing a lack of funds.

But the TTFA Board re­verse its de­ci­sion up­on con­sul­ta­tion with the world gov­ern­ing body for foot­ball - FI­FA.

Ha­gley said monies from the FI­FA For­ward Project was ap­proved for it.

How­ev­er, on Wednes­day, a vice pres­i­dent from the TTFA, who spoke on con­di­tion of anonymi­ty, said the TTFA sought ad­vice from the world gov­ern­ing body for foot­ball (FI­FA) re­gard­ing the al­leged wrong­ful use of the FI­FA For­ward funds for a pur­pose it was not orig­i­nal­ly giv­en.

He told Guardian Me­dia Sports the FI­FA For­ward funds were giv­en for the FI­FA/UE­FA-rec­om­mend­ed T-League, which was set to be the pre­mier foot­ball com­pe­ti­tion in T&T. It was al­so ex­pect­ed to be on par with some of the top Eu­ro­pean Leagues, such as in Eng­land, Spain, Italy and France etc.

Ac­cord­ing to the TTFA ex­ec­u­tive, "David John-Williams used it for the wrong pur­pose, and there­fore we were told that no more mon­ey would have been forth­com­ing for the League of Cham­pi­ons. It is up to the TTFA to sanc­tion the LOC or not, but if it is not sanc­tioned, then the foot­ball as­so­ci­a­tion will have to take back the monies giv­en to the clubs," the source said.

He added, "Now if the League is sanc­tioned, then the TTFA will have to source its funds to pay the clubs. How­ev­er, we at the TTFA have de­cid­ed that the tour­na­ment will go on­ly for one round."

Al­though the T&TFA of­fi­cial said the clubs would run its own com­pe­ti­tion, a fix­ture of the fi­nal round showed it was made up by the foot­ball as­so­ci­a­tion.

Up­on be­ing giv­en the first tranche of $25,600, the clubs are to re­ceive an­oth­er pay­ment of $12,250 and the re­main­ing amount of an over­all to­tal of $51,000, at the end of the sec­ond round.

Ha­gley said a meet­ing of the foot­ball as­so­ci­a­tion, the T&T Pro League clubs and the T&T Su­per League was sched­uled to be held yes­ter­day to de­ter­mine if the LOC will have a sec­ond round.

The fi­nal round of match­es in the first round be­gan yes­ter­day with Youth Stars of To­ba­go hold­ing De­fence Force to a 1-1 tie at Bethel Grounds in the lone fix­ture.

The oth­er match­es will be held on Sun­day. They in­clude Guaya Unit­ed com­ing up against Po­lice at New Lands Ground, Guayagua­yare: Mis­cel­la­neous Laven­tille ver­sus Cen­tral Soc­cer World at St Mary's Ground, St Mary's: Moru­ga FC com­ing up against 1976 Phoenix at Caanan Recre­ation Ground: and Matu­ra Re­Unit­ed up against Harlem Strik­ers at St Mary's Ground, St Mary's.

Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: Flex on January 30, 2020, 04:52:10 PM
I thought this would have been a good time to have reinstated the National Elite Under 15 Team to this competition.

Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: asylumseeker on January 30, 2020, 06:23:48 PM
I thought this would have been a good time to have reinstated the National Elite Under 15 Team to this competition.

What's elite about the League of Champions? Square hole,  round peg.
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: ZANDOLIE on January 30, 2020, 07:30:03 PM
I thought this would have been a good time to have reinstated the National Elite Under 15 Team to this competition.

What's elite about the League of Champions? Square hole,  round peg.

Does it have to be elite? Perhaps this might be a useful initial step to introduce them to a more physical environment than the colleges league they are used to. Might be an insightful gauge as to who can elevate their game understanding, aggression, speed, and risk taking,. The same qualities the Tech stated it wants the T&T player defined by, at every level.
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: ZANDOLIE on January 30, 2020, 07:36:01 PM
I thought this would have been a good time to have reinstated the National Elite Under 15 Team to this competition.



Correct.We supposedly have a player and tactical template now. Let them test it in the fire of competition.
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: asylumseeker on January 30, 2020, 08:18:58 PM
Disagree totally. The theory being subscribed to by those in favour of placing them in the League of Champions is the Theory of Big Man Football. What they need as a team is structured development not unstructured physicality against haphazard opposition. None of their colleagues in a systemic U15 NT environment are being tossed to the wolves on the off chance that they learn football the hard way. While some individual players find uninhibited  benefit in that rudimentary environment, it is not the appropriate venue  for the full NT squad.
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: asylumseeker on January 30, 2020, 08:21:15 PM
I thought this would have been a good time to have reinstated the National Elite Under 15 Team to this competition.



Correct.We supposedly have a player and tactical template now. Let them test it in the fire of competition.

The word missing is "appropriate". Insert it between "of" and "competition" and yuh in business.
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: asylumseeker on January 30, 2020, 08:36:33 PM
I thought this would have been a good time to have reinstated the National Elite Under 15 Team to this competition.

What's elite about the League of Champions? Square hole,  round peg.

Does it have to be elite? Perhaps this might be a useful initial step to introduce them to a more physical environment than the colleges league they are used to. Might be an insightful gauge as to who can elevate their game understanding, aggression, speed, and risk taking,. The same qualities the Tech stated it wants the T&T player defined by, at every level.

Well,  much of what you want to achieve could be achieved by playing against the U17s who would have a mutual stake in the tactical benefit of that match-up. From there there are a variety of ways to progress the challenge without leaving the NT environment.
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: ZANDOLIE on January 31, 2020, 04:56:40 AM
Disagree totally. The theory being subscribed to by those in favour of placing them in the League of Champions is the Theory of Big Man Football. What they need as a team is structured development not unstructured physicality against haphazard opposition. None of their colleagues in a systemic U15 NT environment are being tossed to the wolves on the off chance that they learn football the hard way. While some individual players find uninhibited  benefit in that rudimentary environment, it is not the appropriate venue  for the full NT squad.

How is it unstructured physicality? And how is that any different from wild running SSFL opposition that these guys often have to face? They are supposed to be taking the lead of the coach, not from the opposition.  Its up to a coach to communicate what he or she wants and see who can fulfill instructions under pressure. I take your point. However we have a long history of over-estimating and coddling young players. With obvious results.

This is certainly not an ideal environment, but its not necessarily an inappropriate one.. Our cultural/natural inclination is not to support but to stand out on the pitch. T&T players simply need a LOT more time together than other national set-ups. We are not the same as Costa Rica, the U S. or Honduras. We must play to our strengths AND address our weaknesses. If we just continue the usual of mimicking what others used to do 10 years ago we might as well pack it in. If this league is not ideal we better find another quick time to address the challenge of teamwork

Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: ZANDOLIE on January 31, 2020, 05:14:22 AM
I thought this would have been a good time to have reinstated the National Elite Under 15 Team to this competition.

What's elite about the League of Champions? Square hole,  round peg.

Does it have to be elite? Perhaps this might be a useful initial step to introduce them to a more physical environment than the colleges league they are used to. Might be an insightful gauge as to who can elevate their game understanding, aggression, speed, and risk taking,. The same qualities the Tech stated it wants the T&T player defined by, at every level.

Well,  much of what you want to achieve could be achieved by playing against the U17s who would have a mutual stake in the tactical benefit of that match-up. From there there are a variety of ways to progress the challenge without leaving the NT environment.

I don't think we can overcome certain obstacles by just playing 2-3 games against the U-17s..... That has been done over and over for at least a decade now.  Playing the U-17s will teach them...how to play the U-17s. Playing as a team against multiple teams with multiple variables/unknowns  in a league format would be far more beneficial. Game understanding and ability to adapt would be accelerated. And they can still play the U-17s. The U15s and U-17s in transition to the next age cohort should be both be playing in such a league instead of SSFL if we weren't jokers. No serious nation in CONCACAF has their youth playing schoolboy football. Again,  The "Big man" football in this league may not be ideal but its a rough SIMULATION of what the best nations of CONCACAF and the world do.  And its what WE need. We have to remove these football diapers from these youths and stop wiping they backsides for them.
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: AZZURRI on January 31, 2020, 08:04:11 AM
I thought this would have been a good time to have reinstated the National Elite Under 15 Team to this competition.



Dont believe this weill be suitable at all

The lvl of this league is not a good idea to throw u15 children into an adult league

If they do it for some reason, i hope the players are properly insured

They better off without this league totally
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: Tiresais on January 31, 2020, 11:16:55 AM
It's wildly inappropriate to put U15s up against adults - where else would we feel it appropriate to have adults play sports against a child? We having a spelling bee with 14 year old Timmy vs a truck driver from Sando? What about wrestling between Justin in fourth form and 32 year-old Gary from San Juan?

They won't learn anything useful - this type of thinking is what killed youth development in England for so long. The only kids able to compete are physically more developed, which leads to a bias towards fast, strong players, to the great detriment of technically proficient players. How are they going to compete on corners? Free Kicks?

Just to put this into perspective, I'm an U14's coach - we play 30 minute halves, for a total of 60 minutes, on a smaller pitch. This is what is developmentally appropriate. Throwing kids onto a full-sized pitch for 90 minutes will not benefit their development.
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: soccerman on January 31, 2020, 11:51:50 AM
Disagree totally. The theory being subscribed to by those in favour of placing them in the League of Champions is the Theory of Big Man Football. What they need as a team is structured development not unstructured physicality against haphazard opposition. None of their colleagues in a systemic U15 NT environment are being tossed to the wolves on the off chance that they learn football the hard way. While some individual players find uninhibited  benefit in that rudimentary environment, it is not the appropriate venue  for the full NT squad.
Agreed. Placing the U15's in a league with adults is not suitable for their development, it can actually do more damage than good just based on the physicality. I also second the notion that they need a more structured environment for their long-term development.
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: ZANDOLIE on January 31, 2020, 03:11:49 PM
The U-15s should now be transitioning to U-17, for the purposes of FIFA. Likeise U-17 to U-20. At what age should they be introduced to league play? Should they be allowed to play in domestic competitions at all?

At what age should they be allowed to play 1st team or 2nd tier football for their professional clubs?
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: ZANDOLIE on January 31, 2020, 03:41:55 PM
It's wildly inappropriate to put U15s up against adults - where else would we feel it appropriate to have adults play sports against a child? We having a spelling bee with 14 year old Timmy vs a truck driver from Sando? What about wrestling between Justin in fourth form and 32 year-old Gary from San Juan?

They won't learn anything useful - this type of thinking is what killed youth development in England for so long. The only kids able to compete are physically more developed, which leads to a bias towards fast, strong players, to the great detriment of technically proficient players. How are they going to compete on corners? Free Kicks?

Just to put this into perspective, I'm an U14's coach - we play 30 minute halves, for a total of 60 minutes, on a smaller pitch. This is what is developmentally appropriate. Throwing kids onto a full-sized pitch for 90 minutes will not benefit their development.

Are the kids you coach national level athletes, some of who may realistically play in a FIFA youth world cup?

It is irresponsible to throw children into an adult sporting environment with no thought given to their care and development. Having won several national championships as an athlete, and later as coach to both adults and youth, I have first hand experience with this.

These kids are at a transitional stage.  At national level we have to start introducing youth to the rigors of the adult game at this very age group. IMO the most challenging aspect of this transition is not physical; its a shift in mindset that needs to be managed with a maximum of care and consideration for the athletes. But it must be done.
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: asylumseeker on January 31, 2020, 04:42:55 PM
Dont believe this weill be suitable at all

The lvl of this league is not a good idea to throw u15 children into an adult league

If they do it for some reason, i hope the players are properly insured

They better off without this league totally

If I was the parent or guardian of a U15 NT player and he got hurt playing in a glorified adult bush league, to say that I would be pissed is to put it mildly. We have to be mindful of the mission at hand. Anyway, I have no doubt that the U15s playing in this league went out the door with DJW's welfare programme for SCF.  It ain't happening this rounds.
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: Tiresais on February 02, 2020, 02:43:07 PM
It's wildly inappropriate to put U15s up against adults - where else would we feel it appropriate to have adults play sports against a child? We having a spelling bee with 14 year old Timmy vs a truck driver from Sando? What about wrestling between Justin in fourth form and 32 year-old Gary from San Juan?

They won't learn anything useful - this type of thinking is what killed youth development in England for so long. The only kids able to compete are physically more developed, which leads to a bias towards fast, strong players, to the great detriment of technically proficient players. How are they going to compete on corners? Free Kicks?

Just to put this into perspective, I'm an U14's coach - we play 30 minute halves, for a total of 60 minutes, on a smaller pitch. This is what is developmentally appropriate. Throwing kids onto a full-sized pitch for 90 minutes will not benefit their development.

Are the kids you coach national level athletes, some of who may realistically play in a FIFA youth world cup?

It is irresponsible to throw children into an adult sporting environment with no thought given to their care and development. Having won several national championships as an athlete, and later as coach to both adults and youth, I have first hand experience with this.

These kids are at a transitional stage.  At national level we have to start introducing youth to the rigors of the adult game at this very age group. IMO the most challenging aspect of this transition is not physical; its a shift in mindset that needs to be managed with a maximum of care and consideration for the athletes. But it must be done.

15 year old keepers? Maybe, 15 year old outfield players? Exceptional to the extreme. 15 year olds have another foot to grow and a lot more muscle to pile on. They are often going through or just hit puberty, with fragile egos and conflicting emotions.

The most challenging aspect is definitely the physical - technicality doesn't matter when someone can (fairly) muscle you off the ball with ease. The mindset can be achieved with small changes in year groups, specifically managed. Youth leagues generally forbids moving someone more than 2 year groups up, for example.
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: Rastaman on February 03, 2020, 08:00:38 AM
As a coach I was part of a program that took 2nd and 3rd formers that were part of a club program and played then in an adult 'village league'. the results over the 2 years that they participated were exceptional. The first year they lost heavily and the learning curve was steep. At the end of the first year they were miles ahead of their peers. By the end of the 2nd year one boy was training with the National U17 with the likes of Shanon Gomez and levi Garcia. Another eventually left on football scholarship.

You do the math.
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: FF on February 03, 2020, 09:20:26 AM
The math works out as 2 boys.

Hardly a peer reviewed study
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: asylumseeker on February 03, 2020, 10:25:30 AM
As a coach I was part of a program that took 2nd and 3rd formers that were part of a club program and played then in an adult 'village league'. the results over the 2 years that they participated were exceptional. The first year they lost heavily and the learning curve was steep. At the end of the first year they were miles ahead of their peers. By the end of the 2nd year one boy was training with the National U17 with the likes of Shanon Gomez and levi Garcia. Another eventually left on football scholarship.

You do the math.

None of this is inconsistent with my post and hardly a template for NT development.
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: asylumseeker on February 03, 2020, 11:24:44 AM
Those players are over 18 now, right? (Based on the scholarship). What are the rest doing?
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: Tiresais on February 03, 2020, 12:57:19 PM
As a coach I was part of a program that took 2nd and 3rd formers that were part of a club program and played then in an adult 'village league'. the results over the 2 years that they participated were exceptional. The first year they lost heavily and the learning curve was steep. At the end of the first year they were miles ahead of their peers. By the end of the 2nd year one boy was training with the National U17 with the likes of Shanon Gomez and levi Garcia. Another eventually left on football scholarship.

You do the math.

The math is irrelevant. Were they the biggest kids by chance? It's hard to tell who succeeded and who failed because of that decision. We tend to have confirmation bias when considering these things.

There's a reason FIFA maintain the emphasis in younger years should be on technical developments rather than physical/athleticism - https://resources.fifa.com/image/upload/youth-football-training-manual-2866317.pdf?cloudid=mxpozhvr2gjshmxrilpf

Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: maxg on February 03, 2020, 02:07:20 PM
Even 17 is pushing it. Only a couple great ones made it past that age and phase. Ridiculous idea. The history, science and sense says No. Just the social aspect causes issues in all manners of life. This is well documented as a detriment to growth.
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: ZANDOLIE on February 03, 2020, 06:02:28 PM
As a coach I was part of a program that took 2nd and 3rd formers that were part of a club program and played then in an adult 'village league'. the results over the 2 years that they participated were exceptional. The first year they lost heavily and the learning curve was steep. At the end of the first year they were miles ahead of their peers. By the end of the 2nd year one boy was training with the National U17 with the likes of Shanon Gomez and levi Garcia. Another eventually left on football scholarship.

You do the math.

I think these kind of results are possible with CAREFUL planning, and taking into account physiological and psychological challenges that might be faced.
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: ZANDOLIE on February 03, 2020, 07:37:46 PM
It's wildly inappropriate to put U15s up against adults - where else would we feel it appropriate to have adults play sports against a child? We having a spelling bee with 14 year old Timmy vs a truck driver from Sando? What about wrestling between Justin in fourth form and 32 year-old Gary from San Juan?

They won't learn anything useful - this type of thinking is what killed youth development in England for so long. The only kids able to compete are physically more developed, which leads to a bias towards fast, strong players, to the great detriment of technically proficient players. How are they going to compete on corners? Free Kicks?

Just to put this into perspective, I'm an U14's coach - we play 30 minute halves, for a total of 60 minutes, on a smaller pitch. This is what is developmentally appropriate. Throwing kids onto a full-sized pitch for 90 minutes will not benefit their development.

Are the kids you coach national level athletes, some of who may realistically play in a FIFA youth world cup?

It is irresponsible to throw children into an adult sporting environment with no thought given to their care and development. Having won several national championships as an athlete, and later as coach to both adults and youth, I have first hand experience with this.

These kids are at a transitional stage.  At national level we have to start introducing youth to the rigors of the adult game at this very age group. IMO the most challenging aspect of this transition is not physical; its a shift in mindset that needs to be managed with a maximum of care and consideration for the athletes. But it must be done.

15 year old keepers? Maybe, 15 year old outfield players? Exceptional to the extreme. 15 year olds have another foot to grow and a lot more muscle to pile on. They are often going through or just hit puberty, with fragile egos and conflicting emotions.

The most challenging aspect is definitely the physical - technicality doesn't matter when someone can (fairly) muscle you off the ball with ease. The mindset can be achieved with small changes in year groups, specifically managed. Youth leagues generally forbids moving someone more than 2 year groups up, for example.


Perhaps this particular league was not suited to their needs. Regardless, we are well behind the CONCACAF curve in introducing young players into more serious environments. The last U-15s were reportedly together for almost two years. Yet they were as sub-par on a relative basis as past teams that did not have the benefit of staying together. What could be at the root of this performance issue?


Saying we have a tendency to 'baby' our young men and women may have been a bit harsh. To rephrase....Has the football fraternity in Trinidad and Tobago been more comfortable sustaining an amateur sporting culture, and as a corollary showed reluctance to introduce some elements of a more professional culture for our youth?

IMO the physical challenge of playing up can be surmountable by most young athletes. Many opposing CA coaches commend our physicality. Yet T&T youngsters are invariably the first to be winded on the pitch. They often concede heavily during the final moments of games. Over and over again we hear respected national coaches single out the fact that their Central American peers are exposed to more demanding playing environments at an earlier age, as that 'edge' separating those squads from ours.

I'm clearly no football pundit, but this 'edge' seems based on mindset strengths acquired by earlier exposure to serious environments where they learn to adapt to greater physical and and mental performance benchmarks.  Compare those environments to the persistence of the SSFL as a primary benchmark of Trinidad and Tobago players.

Lets be honest. That the SSFL is a STILL an important performance benchmark is very much a reflection of outdated views toward the game/social conventions. Due to our social attitudes, have we been reluctant to embrace professional football as a career path for youth? Are we effectively delaying their entry into the professional ranks to a certain extent? How detrimental has this been to their development?  Part of an effective platform to move forward football should include building on structures that promote professionalism, and give youth greater choice, and responsibility, for their own development.

We also have to be cognizant of deep-seated attitudes that over-emphasize theoretical development at the expense of playing competitive games. This 'Practice champ' national team training over the last 2 years at U-15 has been  an utter failure.
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: Tiresais on February 04, 2020, 02:57:22 AM

Perhaps this particular league was not suited to their needs. Regardless, we are well behind the CONCACAF curve in introducing young players into more serious environments. The last U-15s were reportedly together for almost two years. Yet they were as sub-par on a relative basis as past teams that did not have the benefit of staying together. What could be at the root of this performance issue?


Saying we have a tendency to 'baby' our young men and women may have been a bit harsh. To rephrase....Has the football fraternity in Trinidad and Tobago been more comfortable sustaining an amateur sporting culture, and as a corollary showed reluctance to introduce some elements of a more professional culture for our youth?

IMO the physical challenge of playing up can be surmountable by most young athletes. Many opposing CA coaches commend our physicality. Yet T&T youngsters are invariably the first to be winded on the pitch. They often concede heavily during the final moments of games. Over and over again we hear respected national coaches single out the fact that their Central American peers are exposed to more demanding playing environments at an earlier age, as that 'edge' separating those squads from ours.

I'm clearly no football pundit, but this 'edge' seems based on mindset strengths acquired by earlier exposure to serious environments where they learn to adapt to greater physical and and mental performance benchmarks.  Compare those environments to the persistence of the SSFL as a primary benchmark of Trinidad and Tobago players.

Lets be honest. That the SSFL is a STILL an important performance benchmark is very much a reflection of outdated views toward the game/social conventions. Due to our social attitudes, have we been reluctant to embrace professional football as a career path for youth? Are we effectively delaying their entry into the professional ranks to a certain extent? How detrimental has this been to their development?  Part of an effective platform to move forward football should include building on structures that promote professionalism, and give youth greater choice, and responsibility, for their own development.

We also have to be cognizant of deep-seated attitudes that over-emphasize theoretical development at the expense of playing competitive games. This 'Practice champ' national team training over the last 2 years at U-15 has been  an utter failure.

Great points. The SSFL helps to some degree getting our young players used to a competitive, challenging environment and would clearly be more appropriate than a full-blooded adult league, but even that has problems with the lack of overall professionalism and the short period of play, on top of 20(!) year olds playing along-side 16 year olds.

The SSFL could work better if players were supported by and attached to clubs - if it was a pathway towards meaningful professional development as a youth player. The emphasis on winning might not be as helpful in some regards - coaches are sacked based on winning or losing and as a consequence pick their best players, rather than the players who have the greatest potential and/or in greatest need of match practice, which would be a primary driver for youth football.

Overall though, the new document produced by the TTFA emphasises a player-centred individual development rather than a team focus, similar to Clairfontaine in France. This could definitely work with Trinbagonian culture, but would require more significant investment in our coaches to bring their standards up across the board. If we invest in those most invested in our youth sports we can get back to serious WC qualification.
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: Rastaman on February 05, 2020, 07:18:41 AM
Those players are over 18 now, right? (Based on the scholarship). What are the rest doing?
23 actually....some are playing TFA football right now. On teams challenging for the title each year.
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: Rastaman on February 05, 2020, 07:26:42 AM
As a coach I was part of a program that took 2nd and 3rd formers that were part of a club program and played then in an adult 'village league'. the results over the 2 years that they participated were exceptional. The first year they lost heavily and the learning curve was steep. At the end of the first year they were miles ahead of their peers. By the end of the 2nd year one boy was training with the National U17 with the likes of Shanon Gomez and levi Garcia. Another eventually left on football scholarship.

You do the math.

The math is irrelevant. Were they the biggest kids by chance? It's hard to tell who succeeded and who failed because of that decision. We tend to have confirmation bias when considering these things.

There's a reason FIFA maintain the emphasis in younger years should be on technical developments rather than physical/athleticism - https://resources.fifa.com/image/upload/youth-football-training-manual-2866317.pdf?cloudid=mxpozhvr2gjshmxrilpf


These boys were trained properly,,,,technically and tactically and most went on to playing at higher levels including
winning the National Intercol(in 3rd form)
Super League
National Team Training squad
US Scholarship
..and no...they were not the biggest kids.
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: Rastaman on February 05, 2020, 07:31:06 AM
Even 17 is pushing it. Only a couple great ones made it past that age and phase. Ridiculous idea. The history, science and sense says No. Just the social aspect causes issues in all manners of life. This is well documented as a detriment to growth.
So what about the 17 and 18 year olds playing across Europe. Didn't a 17 year old score 2 for Barcelona this weekend. Or even closer to home.....does anyone remember a certain Dwight Yorke.
All those Signal Hill Championship teams....who you think they used to play against before they came to Trinidad ??
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: maxg on February 05, 2020, 09:11:48 AM
Even 17 is pushing it. Only a couple great ones made it past that age and phase. Ridiculous idea. The history, science and sense says No. Just the social aspect causes issues in all manners of life. This is well documented as a detriment to growth.
So what about the 17 and 18 year olds playing across Europe. Didn't a 17 year old score 2 for Barcelona this weekend. Or even closer to home.....does anyone remember a certain Dwight Yorke.
All those Signal Hill Championship teams....who you think they used to play against before they came to Trinidad ??
Don’t think you have ever seen 15 prodigies playing together anywhere. Prodigies and special talents do exist, but you talking about a team. In coming up playing with big men, did he play all positions ? Did everyone he play with was as good as him. Could you find 23 of that ilk across the Caribbean? Especially to make a team ( different positions) ? We trying to build a future snr National team, we can’t possibly burnout and injure the best possible prospects at every position, before they get to the important phase. Just an opinion based on studies and science.

Wish it was so easy to make another Yorke, Latas , Archibald or  Cummings.  Until we really know, will leave that to God.
add: Still it's very few, hardly ever a full team, even on a world level.
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: ZANDOLIE on February 05, 2020, 01:14:36 PM
Even 17 is pushing it. Only a couple great ones made it past that age and phase. Ridiculous idea. The history, science and sense says No. Just the social aspect causes issues in all manners of life. This is well documented as a detriment to growth.
So what about the 17 and 18 year olds playing across Europe. Didn't a 17 year old score 2 for Barcelona this weekend. Or even closer to home.....does anyone remember a certain Dwight Yorke.
All those Signal Hill Championship teams....who you think they used to play against before they came to Trinidad ??
Don’t think you have ever seen 15 prodigies playing together anywhere. Prodigies and special talents do exist, but you talking about a team. In coming up playing with big men, did he play all positions ? Did everyone he play with was as good as him. Could you find 23 of that ilk across the Caribbean? Especially to make a team ( different positions) ? We trying to build a future snr National team, we can’t possibly burnout and injure the best possible prospects at every position, before they get to the important phase. Just an opinion based on studies and science.

Wish it was so easy to make another Yorke, Latas , Archibald or  Cummings.  Until we really know, will leave that to God.
add: Still it's very few, hardly ever a full team, even on a world level.

God might 'make' Yorks or Latapys, but he not running practice.  The responsibility for build a proper foundation and creating the conditions for athletes to reach their full potential is solely the responsibility of man. We must take ownership for that. So far we have not.

I'm not sure what peer-reviewed science says elite athletes should not be pushed. I'm pretty sure a decisive factor separating our youth teams from the top tier of CONCACAF is our over-reliance on practice concepts and strong reluctance to test these concepts under sustained competitive pressure. I'm pretty sure this reluctance to introduce competitive pressure at an earlier age poses a far greater threat to development than possible injury to some 'star' player.

Terry Fenwick succeeded largely by giving local teenagers key leadership responsibilities in defence and midfield of his Jabloteh and Central teams of the 2010s. These teams ran away with successive league titles and were competitive against top club teams in CONCACAF, thereby upending the anachronistic cultural idea that 'yutes cyan run wid big man'.

I think its a safe bet that Fenwick will do better than the last coach, who, ironically, selected the oldest team in CONCACAF and simultaneously compiled the worst record in Trinidad and Tobago history.
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: ZANDOLIE on February 05, 2020, 01:30:40 PM
Even 17 is pushing it. Only a couple great ones made it past that age and phase. Ridiculous idea. The history, science and sense says No. Just the social aspect causes issues in all manners of life. This is well documented as a detriment to growth.
So what about the 17 and 18 year olds playing across Europe. Didn't a 17 year old score 2 for Barcelona this weekend. Or even closer to home.....does anyone remember a certain Dwight Yorke.
All those Signal Hill Championship teams....who you think they used to play against before they came to Trinidad ??

Playing above your normal level, once the focus is still on development, can pay dividends. Not just for 'star' players. Non-core and fringe players can increase understanding and physical attributes playing up-level.
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: asylumseeker on February 05, 2020, 02:19:39 PM
Even 17 is pushing it. Only a couple great ones made it past that age and phase. Ridiculous idea. The history, science and sense says No. Just the social aspect causes issues in all manners of life. This is well documented as a detriment to growth.
So what about the 17 and 18 year olds playing across Europe. Didn't a 17 year old score 2 for Barcelona this weekend. Or even closer to home.....does anyone remember a certain Dwight Yorke.
All those Signal Hill Championship teams....who you think they used to play against before they came to Trinidad ??

Playing above your normal level, once the focus is still on development, can pay dividends. Not just for 'star' players. Non-core and fringe players can increase understanding and physical attributes playing up-level.

Where there is a significant physical gap, the challenge to be overcome by the player is physical and psychological. The tactical consideration ("understanding") is subsumed to the physical and the psychological. If there is any doubt about that, think about younger players who are closer in age than the adult/13 or 14 y/o example ... and at two different stages of physical maturation ... the physical and psychological challenge is ever present.
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: asylumseeker on February 05, 2020, 02:22:21 PM
Even 17 is pushing it. Only a couple great ones made it past that age and phase. Ridiculous idea. The history, science and sense says No. Just the social aspect causes issues in all manners of life. This is well documented as a detriment to growth.
So what about the 17 and 18 year olds playing across Europe. Didn't a 17 year old score 2 for Barcelona this weekend. Or even closer to home.....does anyone remember a certain Dwight Yorke.
All those Signal Hill Championship teams....who you think they used to play against before they came to Trinidad ??

Do you know how old DY was when he was introduced to football?
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: Rastaman on February 06, 2020, 06:48:31 AM
Even 17 is pushing it. Only a couple great ones made it past that age and phase. Ridiculous idea. The history, science and sense says No. Just the social aspect causes issues in all manners of life. This is well documented as a detriment to growth.
So what about the 17 and 18 year olds playing across Europe. Didn't a 17 year old score 2 for Barcelona this weekend. Or even closer to home.....does anyone remember a certain Dwight Yorke.
All those Signal Hill Championship teams....who you think they used to play against before they came to Trinidad ??
Do you know how old DY was when he was introduced to football?
Not sure of the exact age but it was primary school. And he was on the national U14 by the time he was 11 of 12 i think....Bertille does always talk about that.
Title: Re: TTFA League of Champions
Post by: Flex on February 22, 2020, 09:44:30 AM
I thought this would have been a good time to have reinstated the National Elite Under 15 Team to this competition.



Dont believe this weill be suitable at all

The lvl of this league is not a good idea to throw u15 children into an adult league

If they do it for some reason, i hope the players are properly insured

They better off without this league totally

FYI

Molik Khan is the third 15-year-old to score in the Pro League this season, after his club teammate Nathaniel James and San Juan Jabloteh attacker Jaheim Faustin.