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Title: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: Controversial on November 24, 2019, 08:03:25 PM
Will be going for drinks tomorrow in celebration of the dictator riding out

However, we have serious business to handle..

- get rid of the current coach

- nullify those coaching contract extensions issued last night before the election

- give us a shortlist of coaches

Who will be our next coach, list your choices?
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: gawd on pitch on November 24, 2019, 08:39:21 PM
What a way for DJW to go. He spend around 4 years campaigning for, and building the Home of Football. And never get an opportunity to see it flourish under his control.. hah !

I want to see a pic of him cleaning out he office!
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: pull stones on November 25, 2019, 01:26:06 AM
Will be going for drinks tomorrow in celebration of the dictator riding out

However, we have serious business to handle..

- get rid of the current coach

- nullify those coaching contract extensions issued last night before the election

- give us a shortlist of coaches

Who will be our next coach, list your choices?
dirty nasty toxic move indeed, itís reminiscent of what kamla and the PP did the day before the election of 2015 when they put a clause in the contract of the contractors who was building the highway to pt fortin claiming that the govt could not pursue the contractor for damages if they went bankrupt. this fat bastard should be pursued in court for obstruction. let see what kind of dirt dennis is made of, i already have lost all respect for russell latapy so come on dennis letís see if youíll still want to be coach after all this damage.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: Deeks on November 25, 2019, 02:54:59 AM
It is a pity we did not have a U-23 team to participate in the Olympic qualifications for Tokyo 2020.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: frico on November 25, 2019, 09:49:17 AM
We will never be able to qualify for another WC because we as a people are incapable of organisation.We should stick with Carnival,give some of those people who organize the biggest fete in the world,the chance to sort our football problems out.We now on par with India and they will soon pull away from us,just like the smaller islands are now doing.We are definitely 10 or 15 years behind the better teams in CONCACAF,Mr.Wallace say they planning for 2026,that is far fetched.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: soccerman on November 25, 2019, 10:20:48 AM
The new TTFA will first have to see DL's contract and view the stipulations because no one knows the terms of his contract. What if they let him go and have to pay him in excess of $10M in addition to what is owed to hart, Walkes, Corneal, etc. Hopefully not but just saying.
But to answer the question 1) Juan Carlos Osorio but I doubt we can entice him to leave his job with Nacional for this, 2) Hernan Gomez and 3) Sol Campbell.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: asylumseeker on November 25, 2019, 10:41:55 AM
The new TTFA will first have to see DL's contract and view the stipulations because no one knows the terms of his contract. What if they let him go and have to pay him in excess of $10M in addition to what is owed to hart, Walkes, Corneal, etc. Hopefully not but just saying.
But to answer the question 1) Juan Carlos Osorio but I doubt we can entice him to leave his job with Nacional for this, 2) Hernan Gomez and 3) Sol Campbell.

This isn't the context for Sol. Bollilo has question marks despite his experience with Panama. However, you'll be surprised to learn that Osorio might be available. Nacional drew their game yesterday and that was not enough to progress. At the post-match press conference Osorio left doubt as to whether he would stay at the club. That stated, I also don't know that he is the solution.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: soccerman on November 25, 2019, 11:19:13 AM
The new TTFA will first have to see DL's contract and view the stipulations because no one knows the terms of his contract. What if they let him go and have to pay him in excess of $10M in addition to what is owed to hart, Walkes, Corneal, etc. Hopefully not but just saying.
But to answer the question 1) Juan Carlos Osorio but I doubt we can entice him to leave his job with Nacional for this, 2) Hernan Gomez and 3) Sol Campbell.
This isn't the context for Sol. Bollilo has question marks despite his experience with Panama. However, you'll be surprised to learn that Osorio might be available. Nacional drew their game yesterday and that was not enough to progress. At the post-match press conference Osorio left doubt as to whether he would stay at the club. That stated, I also don't know that he is the solution.
We may have to go with Angus Eve after all, Pull Stones will be delighted ;D
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: lefty on November 25, 2019, 11:34:17 AM
The new TTFA will first have to see DL's contract and view the stipulations because no one knows the terms of his contract. What if they let him go and have to pay him in excess of $10M in addition to what is owed to hart, Walkes, Corneal, etc. Hopefully not but just saying.
But to answer the question 1) Juan Carlos Osorio but I doubt we can entice him to leave his job with Nacional for this, 2) Hernan Gomez and 3) Sol Campbell.
This isn't the context for Sol. Bollilo has question marks despite his experience with Panama. However, you'll be surprised to learn that Osorio might be available. Nacional drew their game yesterday and that was not enough to progress. At the post-match press conference Osorio left doubt as to whether he would stay at the club. That stated, I also don't know that he is the solution.
We may have to go with Angus Eve after all, Pull Stones will be delighted ;D

All kinda waste ah time coach get NT wuk, as I told pullstones consecutive unbeaten SSFL runs says plenty, the overall level and standard notwithstanding also feel a bit of a clean slate is in order, dead wood to be cleared, new blood to be blooded etc etc etc
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: asylumseeker on November 25, 2019, 11:54:24 AM
The new TTFA will first have to see DL's contract and view the stipulations because no one knows the terms of his contract. What if they let him go and have to pay him in excess of $10M in addition to what is owed to hart, Walkes, Corneal, etc. Hopefully not but just saying.
But to answer the question 1) Juan Carlos Osorio but I doubt we can entice him to leave his job with Nacional for this, 2) Hernan Gomez and 3) Sol Campbell.
This isn't the context for Sol. Bollilo has question marks despite his experience with Panama. However, you'll be surprised to learn that Osorio might be available. Nacional drew their game yesterday and that was not enough to progress. At the post-match press conference Osorio left doubt as to whether he would stay at the club. That stated, I also don't know that he is the solution.
We may have to go with Angus Eve after all, Pull Stones will be delighted ;D

All kinda waste ah time coach get NT wuk, as I told pullstones consecutive unbeaten SSFL runs says plenty, the overall level and standard notwithstanding also feel a bit of a clean slate is in order, dead wood to be cleared, new blood to be blooded etc etc etc

There's a time for rectifying historical wrongs but this moment may not be THE moment for that.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: lefty on November 25, 2019, 12:13:44 PM
The new TTFA will first have to see DL's contract and view the stipulations because no one knows the terms of his contract. What if they let him go and have to pay him in excess of $10M in addition to what is owed to hart, Walkes, Corneal, etc. Hopefully not but just saying.
But to answer the question 1) Juan Carlos Osorio but I doubt we can entice him to leave his job with Nacional for this, 2) Hernan Gomez and 3) Sol Campbell.
This isn't the context for Sol. Bollilo has question marks despite his experience with Panama. However, you'll be surprised to learn that Osorio might be available. Nacional drew their game yesterday and that was not enough to progress. At the post-match press conference Osorio left doubt as to whether he would stay at the club. That stated, I also don't know that he is the solution.
We may have to go with Angus Eve after all, Pull Stones will be delighted ;D

All kinda waste ah time coach get NT wuk, as I told pullstones consecutive unbeaten SSFL runs says plenty, the overall level and standard notwithstanding also feel a bit of a clean slate is in order, dead wood to be cleared, new blood to be blooded etc etc etc

There's a time for rectifying historical wrongs but this moment may not be THE moment for that.
U20/U23 would be my preference if I were to be honest and consider 2022 a BIT of ah writeoff, I am not sayin abandon it as much as don't be disappointed if we fail given the predicament
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: soccerman on November 25, 2019, 01:00:05 PM
The new TTFA will first have to see DL's contract and view the stipulations because no one knows the terms of his contract. What if they let him go and have to pay him in excess of $10M in addition to what is owed to hart, Walkes, Corneal, etc. Hopefully not but just saying.
But to answer the question 1) Juan Carlos Osorio but I doubt we can entice him to leave his job with Nacional for this, 2) Hernan Gomez and 3) Sol Campbell.
This isn't the context for Sol. Bollilo has question marks despite his experience with Panama. However, you'll be surprised to learn that Osorio might be available. Nacional drew their game yesterday and that was not enough to progress. At the post-match press conference Osorio left doubt as to whether he would stay at the club. That stated, I also don't know that he is the solution.
We may have to go with Angus Eve after all, Pull Stones will be delighted ;D

All kinda waste ah time coach get NT wuk, as I told pullstones consecutive unbeaten SSFL runs says plenty, the overall level and standard notwithstanding also feel a bit of a clean slate is in order, dead wood to be cleared, new blood to be blooded etc etc etc

There's a time for rectifying historical wrongs but this moment may not be THE moment for that.
Who in your opinion is a viable candidate that's available at this time?
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: Controversial on November 25, 2019, 02:31:01 PM
The new TTFA will first have to see DL's contract and view the stipulations because no one knows the terms of his contract. What if they let him go and have to pay him in excess of $10M in addition to what is owed to hart, Walkes, Corneal, etc. Hopefully not but just saying.
But to answer the question 1) Juan Carlos Osorio but I doubt we can entice him to leave his job with Nacional for this, 2) Hernan Gomez and 3) Sol Campbell.
This isn't the context for Sol. Bollilo has question marks despite his experience with Panama. However, you'll be surprised to learn that Osorio might be available. Nacional drew their game yesterday and that was not enough to progress. At the post-match press conference Osorio left doubt as to whether he would stay at the club. That stated, I also don't know that he is the solution.
We may have to go with Angus Eve after all, Pull Stones will be delighted ;D

All kinda waste ah time coach get NT wuk, as I told pullstones consecutive unbeaten SSFL runs says plenty, the overall level and standard notwithstanding also feel a bit of a clean slate is in order, dead wood to be cleared, new blood to be blooded etc etc etc

There's a time for rectifying historical wrongs but this moment may not be THE moment for that.
Who in your opinion is a viable candidate that's available at this time?

Depends whoís available

Imo no one aligned to our rivals, or coached for them... Hart first if he still wants it, why not Nakhid or Fenwick

And if none of them are interested, we should go for a coach who has an attacking style of football, a coach like Zidane tbh

Wenger is the only manager who I would take a risk on who hasnít coached a national team
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: gawd on pitch on November 25, 2019, 03:07:40 PM
https://youtu.be/PR61PLqPAAA

I almost dead.. He was riding on this to win the election.

I see a video of DJW after the defeat. It sounds as if he took his defeat like a man. He said that he'll be focusing on running his business and W Connection. Looks as if his reign has officially come to the end.. his reign is nothing more than the proverbial "footnote in history".
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: asylumseeker on November 25, 2019, 03:16:04 PM
Who in your opinion is a viable candidate that's available at this time?

So far ah only know who ah would say no to. :) But, I think the coach should (1) be coaching currently or only briefly out of a job (2) be chosen for his tactical disposition, flexibility and sophistication rather than his name (3) be a good teacher, messenger and motivator (4) be demonstrably adept, via his body of work, in having had teams that have mastered the tactical areas in which we are deficient (5) has historically had an ambitious selection policy supported by evidence.

The rest I will  :-X
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: soccerman on November 25, 2019, 03:28:30 PM
Who in your opinion is a viable candidate that's available at this time?

So far ah only know who ah would say no to. :) But, I think the coach should (1) be coaching currently or only briefly out of a job (2) be chosen for his tactical disposition, flexibility and sophistication rather than his name (3) be a good teacher, messenger and motivator (4) be demonstrably adept, via his body of work, in having had teams that have mastered the tactical areas in which we are deficient (5) has historically had an ambitious selection policy supported by evidence.

The rest I will  :-X
Mauricio Pochettino fits the description.....but too bad he won't even consider this job lol
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: soccerman on November 25, 2019, 03:36:35 PM
Depends whoís available

Imo no one aligned to our rivals, or coached for them... Hart first if he still wants it, why not Nakhid or Fenwick

And if none of them are interested, we should go for a coach who has an attacking style of football, a coach like Zidane tbh

Wenger is the only manager who I would take a risk on who hasnít coached a national team
What if Hart is under contract with Halifax? Also Wenger just took up a technical director job with FIFA, he may be quite content with that.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: asylumseeker on November 25, 2019, 03:52:14 PM
Who in your opinion is a viable candidate that's available at this time?

So far ah only know who ah would say no to. :) But, I think the coach should (1) be coaching currently or only briefly out of a job (2) be chosen for his tactical disposition, flexibility and sophistication rather than his name (3) be a good teacher, messenger and motivator (4) be demonstrably adept, via his body of work, in having had teams that have mastered the tactical areas in which we are deficient (5) has historically had an ambitious selection policy supported by evidence.

The rest I will  :-X
Mauricio Pochettino fits the description.....but too bad he won't even consider this job lol

I was thinking mauby moreso than champagne.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: palos on November 25, 2019, 04:13:02 PM
Is not like we qualifying for 2022 WC

And is not like we qualifying for the next Gold Cup either

So no sense in looking to break bank further to hire a "name" coach


In the overall scheme of things, the Mens National Football team is NOT A PRIORITY AT THIS TIME

Instead.....focus on getting Pro League or whatever it's called and clubs that compete there functional, competitive, and administratively competent.   

Identify and then develop young talent countrywide....and the country includes BOTH islands.....to feed into those Pro League teams

Hire a local coach and staff who have the communication, management, and technical skills to work with young players to form a nucleus or core of the National team going forward

Play that core as much as possible and that becomes your Mens National team for future Gold Cups and World Cups.


Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: maxg on November 25, 2019, 04:51:07 PM
Is not like we qualifying for 2022 WC

And is not like we qualifying for the next Gold Cup either

So no sense in looking to break bank further to hire a "name" coach


In the overall scheme of things, the Mens National Football team is NOT A PRIORITY AT THIS TIME

Instead.....focus on getting Pro League or whatever it's called and clubs that compete there functional, competitive, and administratively competent.   

Identify and then develop young talent countrywide....and the country includes BOTH islands.....to feed into those Pro League teams

Hire a local coach and staff who have the communication, management, and technical skills to work with young players to form a nucleus or core of the National team going forward

Play that core as much as possible and that becomes your Mens National team for future Gold Cups and World Cups.



I so agree. DJW ain't taking the TTFA debt with him. Firing Lawrence will be adding to that, Hart,Corneal,Walkes, Completion of Home of Football, other payments and other National teams, promised tournaments. We have to await to hear what Wallace and company find in the vault. I suspect we drinking sugar water for a few years well. Then again, they probably not typical Trinis and could work magic.  Unless yuh get a volunteer coach, a la Waldrum, who btw, willing to take cuss, when he can't turn water into wine or wuk some obeah on opposing teams, the new TTFA right now floating on a log in the Bocas, surrounded by the usual sharks. Maybe some cash will atypically fall out the sky or show up in the backseat of some car. Yuh never know. 
(https://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/640-width/images/print-edition/20111203_FND001_0.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: asylumseeker on November 25, 2019, 04:56:54 PM
This is why DL's contract should not have gone beyond either Election Day or the end of last week's FIFA window.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: lefty on November 25, 2019, 05:17:22 PM
Is not like we qualifying for 2022 WC

And is not like we qualifying for the next Gold Cup either

So no sense in looking to break bank further to hire a "name" coach


In the overall scheme of things, the Mens National Football team is NOT A PRIORITY AT THIS TIME

Instead.....focus on getting Pro League or whatever it's called and clubs that compete there functional, competitive, and administratively competent.   

Identify and then develop young talent countrywide....and the country includes BOTH islands.....to feed into those Pro League teams

Hire a local coach and staff who have the communication, management, and technical skills to work with young players to form a nucleus or core of the National team going forward

Play that core as much as possible and that becomes your Mens National team for future Gold Cups and World Cups.




this, stated such as well
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: ZANDOLIE on November 25, 2019, 06:13:14 PM
Is not like we qualifying for 2022 WC

And is not like we qualifying for the next Gold Cup either

So no sense in looking to break bank further to hire a "name" coach


In the overall scheme of things, the Mens National Football team is NOT A PRIORITY AT THIS TIME

Instead.....focus on getting Pro League or whatever it's called and clubs that compete there functional, competitive, and administratively competent.   

Identify and then develop young talent countrywide....and the country includes BOTH islands.....to feed into those Pro League teams

Hire a local coach and staff who have the communication, management, and technical skills to work with young players to form a nucleus or core of the National team going forward

Play that core as much as possible and that becomes your Mens National team for future Gold Cups and World Cups.




Agreed. People calling for big coach...we can barely even pay for local coaches, how we going to pay for that? The federation and by extension football itself is in crisis. At this point asset allocation is critically important. Wallace has to perform very delicate economic triage to bring the FA back towards health.  Whatever little money we scrape together would yield far greater dividends if we rebuilt from the ground up.

Blowing operational budget on a 'big' coach with the general calibre of our current core and bench players is folly. We barely made it to Germany on the strength of one of the greatest teams in our history. There are no short cuts. TTFA must simply roll up its sleeves and begin  producing players that are competitive in CONCACAF.   

Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: AZZURRI on November 25, 2019, 06:24:11 PM
The new TTFA will first have to see DL's contract and view the stipulations because no one knows the terms of his contract. What if they let him go and have to pay him in excess of $10M in addition to what is owed to hart, Walkes, Corneal, etc. Hopefully not but just saying.
But to answer the question 1) Juan Carlos Osorio but I doubt we can entice him to leave his job with Nacional for this, 2) Hernan Gomez and 3) Sol Campbell.
This isn't the context for Sol. Bollilo has question marks despite his experience with Panama. However, you'll be surprised to learn that Osorio might be available. Nacional drew their game yesterday and that was not enough to progress. At the post-match press conference Osorio left doubt as to whether he would stay at the club. That stated, I also don't know that he is the solution.
We may have to go with Angus Eve after all, Pull Stones will be delighted ;D


He's due a youth national team post
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: AZZURRI on November 25, 2019, 06:25:11 PM
The new TTFA will first have to see DL's contract and view the stipulations because no one knows the terms of his contract. What if they let him go and have to pay him in excess of $10M in addition to what is owed to hart, Walkes, Corneal, etc. Hopefully not but just saying.
But to answer the question 1) Juan Carlos Osorio but I doubt we can entice him to leave his job with Nacional for this, 2) Hernan Gomez and 3) Sol Campbell.
This isn't the context for Sol. Bollilo has question marks despite his experience with Panama. However, you'll be surprised to learn that Osorio might be available. Nacional drew their game yesterday and that was not enough to progress. At the post-match press conference Osorio left doubt as to whether he would stay at the club. That stated, I also don't know that he is the solution.
We may have to go with Angus Eve after all, Pull Stones will be delighted ;D

All kinda waste ah time coach get NT wuk, as I told pullstones consecutive unbeaten SSFL runs says plenty, the overall level and standard notwithstanding also feel a bit of a clean slate is in order, dead wood to be cleared, new blood to be blooded etc etc etc

There's a time for rectifying historical wrongs but this moment may not be THE moment for that.
Who in your opinion is a viable candidate that's available at this time?

Depends whoís available

Imo no one aligned to our rivals, or coached for them... Hart first if he still wants it, why not Nakhid or Fenwick

And if none of them are interested, we should go for a coach who has an attacking style of football, a coach like Zidane tbh

Wenger is the only manager who I would take a risk on who hasnít coached a national team

Shooting for the heavens there....
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: Controversial on November 26, 2019, 01:30:36 AM
Is not like we qualifying for 2022 WC

And is not like we qualifying for the next Gold Cup either

So no sense in looking to break bank further to hire a "name" coach


In the overall scheme of things, the Mens National Football team is NOT A PRIORITY AT THIS TIME

Instead.....focus on getting Pro League or whatever it's called and clubs that compete there functional, competitive, and administratively competent.   

Identify and then develop young talent countrywide....and the country includes BOTH islands.....to feed into those Pro League teams

Hire a local coach and staff who have the communication, management, and technical skills to work with young players to form a nucleus or core of the National team going forward

Play that core as much as possible and that becomes your Mens National team for future Gold Cups and World Cups.




Agreed. People calling for big coach...we can barely even pay for local coaches, how we going to pay for that? The federation and by extension football itself is in crisis. At this point asset allocation is critically important. Wallace has to perform very delicate economic triage to bring the FA back towards health.  Whatever little money we scrape together would yield far greater dividends if we rebuilt from the ground up.

Blowing operational budget on a 'big' coach with the general calibre of our current core and bench players is folly. We barely made it to Germany on the strength of one of the greatest teams in our history. There are no short cuts. TTFA must simply roll up its sleeves and begin  producing players that are competitive in CONCACAF.   



TT never lacked money, those debts are nothing in comparison to what is wasted and gambled and siphoned in TT... the govt should do a bail out and the rest will have to be handled by the ttfa ...

We need a great coach and we shouldnít give up on the wc ... why?

Why canít we do both, develop and try to qualify?
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: pull stones on November 26, 2019, 02:40:49 AM
Is not like we qualifying for 2022 WC

And is not like we qualifying for the next Gold Cup either

So no sense in looking to break bank further to hire a "name" coach


In the overall scheme of things, the Mens National Football team is NOT A PRIORITY AT THIS TIME

Instead.....focus on getting Pro League or whatever it's called and clubs that compete there functional, competitive, and administratively competent.   

Identify and then develop young talent countrywide....and the country includes BOTH islands.....to feed into those Pro League teams

Hire a local coach and staff who have the communication, management, and technical skills to work with young players to form a nucleus or core of the National team going forward

Play that core as much as possible and that becomes your Mens National team for future Gold Cups and World Cups.




Agreed. People calling for big coach...we can barely even pay for local coaches, how we going to pay for that? The federation and by extension football itself is in crisis. At this point asset allocation is critically important. Wallace has to perform very delicate economic triage to bring the FA back towards health.  Whatever little money we scrape together would yield far greater dividends if we rebuilt from the ground up.

Blowing operational budget on a 'big' coach with the general calibre of our current core and bench players is folly. We barely made it to Germany on the strength of one of the greatest teams in our history. There are no short cuts. TTFA must simply roll up its sleeves and begin  producing players that are competitive in CONCACAF.   



TT never lacked money, those debts are nothing in comparison to what is wasted and gambled and siphoned in TT... the govt should do a bail out and the rest will have to be handled by the ttfa ...

We need a great coach and we shouldnít give up on the wc ... wh

Why canít we do both, develop and try to qualify?
everyones calling for Lawrenceís head but yet theyíre saying how we don't need a good coach,I wish you people would make up your minds about what you really want because none of these teams are in it to lose, and as for lawrence I ant see this federation continuing with him, not after his record, and I donít think the players wants to play for him anyway. we need a good coach and we need at least try to qualify for the gold cup and the world cup no matter what.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: trini_stallion on November 26, 2019, 04:57:15 AM
We got relegated...how can we still qualify for both the GC 2020 and WC 2022?
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: asylumseeker on November 26, 2019, 05:47:22 AM
We got relegated...how can we still qualify for both the GC 2020 and WC 2022?

GC:

Although we have been relegated, we have progressed to the second bite of the 🍒 which takes place in June next year. This privilege was granted to all 3rd place (last place really) teams from Nations League A. The opponents are to yet to be determined but they will emerge from March 2020 matches involving teams from Nations League B* and C. That's the business ahead.

* Actual B participants this year, not those who were relegated into B.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: asylumseeker on November 26, 2019, 06:02:45 AM
Is not like we qualifying for 2022 WC

And is not like we qualifying for the next Gold Cup either

So no sense in looking to break bank further to hire a "name" coach


In the overall scheme of things, the Mens National Football team is NOT A PRIORITY AT THIS TIME

Instead.....focus on getting Pro League or whatever it's called and clubs that compete there functional, competitive, and administratively competent.   

Identify and then develop young talent countrywide....and the country includes BOTH islands.....to feed into those Pro League teams

Hire a local coach and staff who have the communication, management, and technical skills to work with young players to form a nucleus or core of the National team going forward

Play that core as much as possible and that becomes your Mens National team for future Gold Cups and World Cups.




Agreed. People calling for big coach...we can barely even pay for local coaches, how we going to pay for that? The federation and by extension football itself is in crisis. At this point asset allocation is critically important. Wallace has to perform very delicate economic triage to bring the FA back towards health.  Whatever little money we scrape together would yield far greater dividends if we rebuilt from the ground up.

Blowing operational budget on a 'big' coach with the general calibre of our current core and bench players is folly. We barely made it to Germany on the strength of one of the greatest teams in our history. There are no short cuts. TTFA must simply roll up its sleeves and begin  producing players that are competitive in CONCACAF.   



TT never lacked money, those debts are nothing in comparison to what is wasted and gambled and siphoned in TT... the govt should do a bail out and the rest will have to be handled by the ttfa ...

We need a great coach and we shouldnít give up on the wc ... why?

Why canít we do both, develop and try to qualify?

As much as I want progress, I can't agree to a government bailout. Neither should the taxpayers-fans.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: Deeks on November 26, 2019, 06:28:24 AM
Is not like we qualifying for 2022 WC

And is not like we qualifying for the next Gold Cup either

So no sense in looking to break bank further to hire a "name" coach


In the overall scheme of things, the Mens National Football team is NOT A PRIORITY AT THIS TIME

Instead.....focus on getting Pro League or whatever it's called and clubs that compete there functional, competitive, and administratively competent.   

Identify and then develop young talent countrywide....and the country includes BOTH islands.....to feed into those Pro League teams

Hire a local coach and staff who have the communication, management, and technical skills to work with young players to form a nucleus or core of the National team going forward

Play that core as much as possible and that becomes your Mens National team for future Gold Cups and World Cups.




Agreed. People calling for big coach...we can barely even pay for local coaches, how we going to pay for that? The federation and by extension football itself is in crisis. At this point asset allocation is critically important. Wallace has to perform very delicate economic triage to bring the FA back towards health.  Whatever little money we scrape together would yield far greater dividends if we rebuilt from the ground up.

Blowing operational budget on a 'big' coach with the general calibre of our current core and bench players is folly. We barely made it to Germany on the strength of one of the greatest teams in our history. There are no short cuts. TTFA must simply roll up its sleeves and begin  producing players that are competitive in CONCACAF.   



TT never lacked money, those debts are nothing in comparison to what is wasted and gambled and siphoned in TT... the govt should do a bail out and the rest will have to be handled by the ttfa ...

We need a great coach and we shouldnít give up on the wc ... why?

Why canít we do both, develop and try to qualify?

As much as I want progress, I can't agree to a government bailout. Neither should the taxpayers-fans.

Asylum, ditto. How can people want the govt to bail out TTFA when the govt trying very hard not to enter into an IMF agreement for an economic bailout. If TT govt has money as Contro inferred, you think they would not have don't it. Previous govts have done a lot for sports. All the physical infrastructure is there. Now we want the govt to fund operational budgets. What the govt giveth, it taketh. If the govt demand so and so, FIFA crying foul. No govt interference. As much as I want he TTFA debt gone(my close friend is tied up with a TTFA contract), we can't saddle them with the folly of the past TTFA administrations(DJW being the elephant in the room).
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: Controversial on November 26, 2019, 12:49:40 PM
Is not like we qualifying for 2022 WC

And is not like we qualifying for the next Gold Cup either

So no sense in looking to break bank further to hire a "name" coach


In the overall scheme of things, the Mens National Football team is NOT A PRIORITY AT THIS TIME

Instead.....focus on getting Pro League or whatever it's called and clubs that compete there functional, competitive, and administratively competent.   

Identify and then develop young talent countrywide....and the country includes BOTH islands.....to feed into those Pro League teams

Hire a local coach and staff who have the communication, management, and technical skills to work with young players to form a nucleus or core of the National team going forward

Play that core as much as possible and that becomes your Mens National team for future Gold Cups and World Cups.




Agreed. People calling for big coach...we can barely even pay for local coaches, how we going to pay for that? The federation and by extension football itself is in crisis. At this point asset allocation is critically important. Wallace has to perform very delicate economic triage to bring the FA back towards health.  Whatever little money we scrape together would yield far greater dividends if we rebuilt from the ground up.

Blowing operational budget on a 'big' coach with the general calibre of our current core and bench players is folly. We barely made it to Germany on the strength of one of the greatest teams in our history. There are no short cuts. TTFA must simply roll up its sleeves and begin  producing players that are competitive in CONCACAF.   



TT never lacked money, those debts are nothing in comparison to what is wasted and gambled and siphoned in TT... the govt should do a bail out and the rest will have to be handled by the ttfa ...

We need a great coach and we shouldnít give up on the wc ... why?

Why canít we do both, develop and try to qualify?

As much as I want progress, I can't agree to a government bailout. Neither should the taxpayers-fans.

I understand your point brother, but who in reality will be paying these bills?

A private company? Sponsorship money that should be allocated to the national teams?

The people are TT citizens who are owed this money, so the govt should step in, bc they have wasted and stolen much money over the decades that didnít go to progressing anything in TT society.

The govt should step in and handle it and let our football start with a clean slate, one exception can be made and they should investigate the dictator for fraud and other charges that pertain to what he did... but that wonít  happen bc TT too damn corrupt and greedy

And itís not to say that we donít have the money, bc we do and we can
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: Controversial on November 26, 2019, 12:51:03 PM
Is not like we qualifying for 2022 WC

And is not like we qualifying for the next Gold Cup either

So no sense in looking to break bank further to hire a "name" coach


In the overall scheme of things, the Mens National Football team is NOT A PRIORITY AT THIS TIME

Instead.....focus on getting Pro League or whatever it's called and clubs that compete there functional, competitive, and administratively competent.   

Identify and then develop young talent countrywide....and the country includes BOTH islands.....to feed into those Pro League teams

Hire a local coach and staff who have the communication, management, and technical skills to work with young players to form a nucleus or core of the National team going forward

Play that core as much as possible and that becomes your Mens National team for future Gold Cups and World Cups.




Agreed. People calling for big coach...we can barely even pay for local coaches, how we going to pay for that? The federation and by extension football itself is in crisis. At this point asset allocation is critically important. Wallace has to perform very delicate economic triage to bring the FA back towards health.  Whatever little money we scrape together would yield far greater dividends if we rebuilt from the ground up.

Blowing operational budget on a 'big' coach with the general calibre of our current core and bench players is folly. We barely made it to Germany on the strength of one of the greatest teams in our history. There are no short cuts. TTFA must simply roll up its sleeves and begin  producing players that are competitive in CONCACAF.   



TT never lacked money, those debts are nothing in comparison to what is wasted and gambled and siphoned in TT... the govt should do a bail out and the rest will have to be handled by the ttfa ...

We need a great coach and we shouldnít give up on the wc ... why?

Why canít we do both, develop and try to qualify?

As much as I want progress, I can't agree to a government bailout. Neither should the taxpayers-fans.

Asylum, ditto. How can people want the govt to bail out TTFA when the govt trying very hard not to enter into an IMF agreement for an economic bailout. If TT govt has money as Contro inferred, you think they would not have don't it. Previous govts have done a lot for sports. All the physical infrastructure is there. Now we want the govt to fund operational budgets. What the govt giveth, it taketh. If the govt demand so and so, FIFA crying foul. No govt interference. As much as I want he TTFA debt gone(my close friend is tied up with a TTFA contract), we can't saddle them with the folly of the past TTFA administrations(DJW being the elephant in the room).

Not govt interference bc they will allocate funds to ttfa to pay the parties owed
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: gawd on pitch on November 26, 2019, 03:03:44 PM
Is not like we qualifying for 2022 WC

And is not like we qualifying for the next Gold Cup either

So no sense in looking to break bank further to hire a "name" coach


In the overall scheme of things, the Mens National Football team is NOT A PRIORITY AT THIS TIME

Instead.....focus on getting Pro League or whatever it's called and clubs that compete there functional, competitive, and administratively competent.   

Identify and then develop young talent countrywide....and the country includes BOTH islands.....to feed into those Pro League teams

Hire a local coach and staff who have the communication, management, and technical skills to work with young players to form a nucleus or core of the National team going forward

Play that core as much as possible and that becomes your Mens National team for future Gold Cups and World Cups.




Agreed. People calling for big coach...we can barely even pay for local coaches, how we going to pay for that? The federation and by extension football itself is in crisis. At this point asset allocation is critically important. Wallace has to perform very delicate economic triage to bring the FA back towards health.  Whatever little money we scrape together would yield far greater dividends if we rebuilt from the ground up.

Blowing operational budget on a 'big' coach with the general calibre of our current core and bench players is folly. We barely made it to Germany on the strength of one of the greatest teams in our history. There are no short cuts. TTFA must simply roll up its sleeves and begin  producing players that are competitive in CONCACAF.   



TT never lacked money, those debts are nothing in comparison to what is wasted and gambled and siphoned in TT... the govt should do a bail out and the rest will have to be handled by the ttfa ...

We need a great coach and we shouldnít give up on the wc ... why?

Why canít we do both, develop and try to qualify?

As much as I want progress, I can't agree to a government bailout. Neither should the taxpayers-fans.

I understand your point brother, but who in reality will be paying these bills?

A private company? Sponsorship money that should be allocated to the national teams?

The people are TT citizens who are owed this money, so the govt should step in, bc they have wasted and stolen much money over the decades that didnít go to progressing anything in TT society.

The govt should step in and handle it and let our football start with a clean slate, one exception can be made and they should investigate the dictator for fraud and other charges that pertain to what he did... but that wonít  happen bc TT too damn corrupt and greedy

And itís not to say that we donít have the money, bc we do and we can

As much as I wanted the dictator to go, what will warrant investigating him? If there is evidence that he did do something illegal or unethical, then I agree. I just saying this because it wouldn't be fair to the man if he was abiding by all the rules .. then suddenly he has these accusations and investigations to fight. Especially if he might be innocent. . Despite that, I think that the TTFA should go through everything with a fine tooth comb. And if there is evidence of any wrong doing, then they should do what needs to be done.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: asylumseeker on November 26, 2019, 03:26:13 PM
Illegal or unethical? Is there such a thing as an ethical dictator?

I wish Lasana would write an article that chronicles all the man's missteps and folly so that there's a singular article that details the ignorance in one document. People tend to forget things and others like to rewrite history in their defense.

Other than that, I would be happy to stop calling or hearing his name ... but I have three post-scripts of my own that I think require treatment despite his departure. Once I address each one, that will be that and fire bun.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: ZANDOLIE on November 26, 2019, 03:35:47 PM
Is not like we qualifying for 2022 WC

And is not like we qualifying for the next Gold Cup either

So no sense in looking to break bank further to hire a "name" coach


In the overall scheme of things, the Mens National Football team is NOT A PRIORITY AT THIS TIME

Instead.....focus on getting Pro League or whatever it's called and clubs that compete there functional, competitive, and administratively competent.   

Identify and then develop young talent countrywide....and the country includes BOTH islands.....to feed into those Pro League teams

Hire a local coach and staff who have the communication, management, and technical skills to work with young players to form a nucleus or core of the National team going forward

Play that core as much as possible and that becomes your Mens National team for future Gold Cups and World Cups.




Agreed. People calling for big coach...we can barely even pay for local coaches, how we going to pay for that? The federation and by extension football itself is in crisis. At this point asset allocation is critically important. Wallace has to perform very delicate economic triage to bring the FA back towards health.  Whatever little money we scrape together would yield far greater dividends if we rebuilt from the ground up.

Blowing operational budget on a 'big' coach with the general calibre of our current core and bench players is folly. We barely made it to Germany on the strength of one of the greatest teams in our history. There are no short cuts. TTFA must simply roll up its sleeves and begin  producing players that are competitive in CONCACAF.   



TT never lacked money, those debts are nothing in comparison to what is wasted and gambled and siphoned in TT... the govt should do a bail out and the rest will have to be handled by the ttfa ...

We need a great coach and we shouldnít give up on the wc ... why?

Why canít we do both, develop and try to qualify?

At this stage the greatest challenge facing T&T football is a failure to consistently deliver a CONCACAF contender on the field at any age/gender group. We can't even deliver a CFU contender. This is not a coaching issue. Its a deeper reflection of management (in)competence, low morale, almost non-existent ethical standards, and poor organizational planning. These are issues related to asset allocation choices and not issues a national coach can resolve.

Hart was a great coach for us. But he took a side whose core players (Cyrus, Molino, Hyland, Curtis Gonzalez, Bateau, Miekeil Williams, Aubrey David) who had already been to one or two youth world cups. Who will replace Joevin Jones, Molino, and Hyland in the midfield? If Cyrus, Williams, Bateau etc are flawed, which young players are better? Name the next generation team capable of beating a USMNT or running with Mexico...in Mexico. Then tell me how your coach of choice can realistically repeat Hart's success with that lack of depth. 

We all wish we could hire the best coach while simultaneously building the best developmental program in CONCACAF. But at this point, can our our finances allow us to do either, far less both?

Yes TTFA should incorporate solid PLANs for both long and short term successes. But spending money to execute those plans is a whole other story.
 
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: asylumseeker on November 26, 2019, 04:00:59 PM
Is not like we qualifying for 2022 WC

And is not like we qualifying for the next Gold Cup either

So no sense in looking to break bank further to hire a "name" coach


In the overall scheme of things, the Mens National Football team is NOT A PRIORITY AT THIS TIME

Instead.....focus on getting Pro League or whatever it's called and clubs that compete there functional, competitive, and administratively competent.   

Identify and then develop young talent countrywide....and the country includes BOTH islands.....to feed into those Pro League teams

Hire a local coach and staff who have the communication, management, and technical skills to work with young players to form a nucleus or core of the National team going forward

Play that core as much as possible and that becomes your Mens National team for future Gold Cups and World Cups.




Agreed. People calling for big coach...we can barely even pay for local coaches, how we going to pay for that? The federation and by extension football itself is in crisis. At this point asset allocation is critically important. Wallace has to perform very delicate economic triage to bring the FA back towards health.  Whatever little money we scrape together would yield far greater dividends if we rebuilt from the ground up.

Blowing operational budget on a 'big' coach with the general calibre of our current core and bench players is folly. We barely made it to Germany on the strength of one of the greatest teams in our history. There are no short cuts. TTFA must simply roll up its sleeves and begin  producing players that are competitive in CONCACAF.   



TT never lacked money, those debts are nothing in comparison to what is wasted and gambled and siphoned in TT... the govt should do a bail out and the rest will have to be handled by the ttfa ...

We need a great coach and we shouldnít give up on the wc ... why?

Why canít we do both, develop and try to qualify?

At this stage the greatest challenge facing T&T football is a failure to consistently deliver a CONCACAF contender on the field at any age/gender group. We can't even deliver a CFU contender. This is not a coaching issue. Its a deeper reflection of management (in)competence, low morale, almost non-existent ethical standards, and poor organizational planning. These are issues related to asset allocation choices and not issues a national coach can resolve.

Hart was a great coach for us. But he took a side whose core players (Cyrus, Molino, Hyland, Curtis Gonzalez, Bateau, Miekeil Williams, Aubrey David) who had already been to one or two youth world cups. Who will replace Joevin Jones, Molino, and Hyland in the midfield? If Cyrus, Williams, Bateau etc are flawed, which young players are better? Name the next generation team capable of beating a USMNT or running with Mexico...in Mexico. Then tell me how your coach of choice can realistically repeat Hart's success with that lack of depth. 

We all wish we could hire the best coach while simultaneously building the best developmental program in CONCACAF. But at this point, can our our finances allow us to do either, far less both?

Yes TTFA should incorporate solid PLANs for both long and short term successes. But spending money to execute those plans is a whole other story.

It can if we substitute "optimal" for "best".
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: gawd on pitch on November 26, 2019, 09:28:14 PM
I hope the does not go in the direction it can.

http://www.insideworldfootball.com/2019/11/26/exclusive-banned-warner-lobbied-new-ttfa-chief-wallace-now-seeks-payment/

Apparently Warner's endorsement and lobbying for the United TTFA might be a breach on his conditions. The article is also suggesting that Warner's involvement might be enough to void the results of the recent TTFA election.

FIFA was present during the elections. So if Warner was there, FIFA would have taken action by now.. so I dont know what to believe.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: Controversial on November 26, 2019, 09:47:48 PM
Is not like we qualifying for 2022 WC

And is not like we qualifying for the next Gold Cup either

So no sense in looking to break bank further to hire a "name" coach


In the overall scheme of things, the Mens National Football team is NOT A PRIORITY AT THIS TIME

Instead.....focus on getting Pro League or whatever it's called and clubs that compete there functional, competitive, and administratively competent.   

Identify and then develop young talent countrywide....and the country includes BOTH islands.....to feed into those Pro League teams

Hire a local coach and staff who have the communication, management, and technical skills to work with young players to form a nucleus or core of the National team going forward

Play that core as much as possible and that becomes your Mens National team for future Gold Cups and World Cups.




Agreed. People calling for big coach...we can barely even pay for local coaches, how we going to pay for that? The federation and by extension football itself is in crisis. At this point asset allocation is critically important. Wallace has to perform very delicate economic triage to bring the FA back towards health.  Whatever little money we scrape together would yield far greater dividends if we rebuilt from the ground up.

Blowing operational budget on a 'big' coach with the general calibre of our current core and bench players is folly. We barely made it to Germany on the strength of one of the greatest teams in our history. There are no short cuts. TTFA must simply roll up its sleeves and begin  producing players that are competitive in CONCACAF.   



TT never lacked money, those debts are nothing in comparison to what is wasted and gambled and siphoned in TT... the govt should do a bail out and the rest will have to be handled by the ttfa ...

We need a great coach and we shouldnít give up on the wc ... why?

Why canít we do both, develop and try to qualify?

At this stage the greatest challenge facing T&T football is a failure to consistently deliver a CONCACAF contender on the field at any age/gender group. We can't even deliver a CFU contender. This is not a coaching issue. Its a deeper reflection of management (in)competence, low morale, almost non-existent ethical standards, and poor organizational planning. These are issues related to asset allocation choices and not issues a national coach can resolve.

Hart was a great coach for us. But he took a side whose core players (Cyrus, Molino, Hyland, Curtis Gonzalez, Bateau, Miekeil Williams, Aubrey David) who had already been to one or two youth world cups. Who will replace Joevin Jones, Molino, and Hyland in the midfield? If Cyrus, Williams, Bateau etc are flawed, which young players are better? Name the next generation team capable of beating a USMNT or running with Mexico...in Mexico. Then tell me how your coach of choice can realistically repeat Hart's success with that lack of depth. 

We all wish we could hire the best coach while simultaneously building the best developmental program in CONCACAF. But at this point, can our our finances allow us to do either, far less both?

Yes TTFA should incorporate solid PLANs for both long and short term successes. But spending money to execute those plans is a whole other story.
 


SOme great points which I agree with and also feel the same way.

But we have the talent to beat the US and play with Mexico on an equal level...

But those players were:


1. Not being selected bc our team was being sabotaged
2. Players were not paid well or on time
3. They fired our best coach and didnít give him the support he needed
4. Spiteful and corrupt admin

Jones, Garcia, garcia etc are all still available and will perform extremely well under the right coach. For example we just saw powder get ignored and many other players like ranjitsingh who is in essence our best keeper outside of the other player whoís name escapes me from Europe ...

We havenít seen our best team or best coach with the support around the coach, without being sabotaged, so we canít say we donít have depth... we have immense talent, but itís  not being selected or coached well or given the environment to perform and worse yet, identifying talent and selecting that talent

Tbh the bail out is our only option, it will right the wrong and start fresh... that way we will then have the ability with sponsors, investors etc that will be able to fund that budget to compete and give us the chance for the wc and also development.

If Hart doesnít want it and canít leave Halifax... it will have to be Nakhid or Fenwick... Iím not convinced with eve

Outside of them, we will have to search for a coach and weigh it from there, I have a list but you never know who ttfa will pull out of their hat..

We have to see how Wallace operates... whoever it is, needs to have a full list of our players, and try out all of the ones that are not on the radar and they havenít seen live... we have tremendous depth but it takes time to find it and scout it and try them out..

Tallman and flex over the years have that list and always add to it, so I highly doubt we are short on talent from what I have read, seen and know

Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: asylumseeker on November 26, 2019, 09:50:21 PM
I hope the does not go in the direction it can.

http://www.insideworldfootball.com/2019/11/26/exclusive-banned-warner-lobbied-new-ttfa-chief-wallace-now-seeks-payment/

Apparently Warner's endorsement and lobbying for the United TTFA might be a breach on his conditions. The article is also suggesting that Warner's involvement might be enough to void the results of the recent TTFA election.

FIFA was present during the elections. So if Warner was there, FIFA would have taken action by now.. so I dont know what to believe.

Alleged, gop?

gop, take a deep breath. Of course Warner was not at the HoF. Why would that thought come to mind?

This is just another manifestation of clutching at straws. You think DJW left the HoF early to wash wares? Not that he is the source of this mischief. That honor lies elsewhere methinks.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: Controversial on November 26, 2019, 09:58:26 PM
I hope the does not go in the direction it can.

http://www.insideworldfootball.com/2019/11/26/exclusive-banned-warner-lobbied-new-ttfa-chief-wallace-now-seeks-payment/

Apparently Warner's endorsement and lobbying for the United TTFA might be a breach on his conditions. The article is also suggesting that Warner's involvement might be enough to void the results of the recent TTFA election.

FIFA was present during the elections. So if Warner was there, FIFA would have taken action by now.. so I dont know what to believe.

Alleged, gop?

gop, take a deep breath. Of course Warner was not at the HoF. Why would that thought come to mind?

This is just another manifestation of clutching at straws. You think DJW left the HoF early to wash wares? Not that he is the source of this mischief. That honor lies elsewhere methinks.

An enemy of an enemy is a friend...

They trying a thing, they also donít want TT football to thrive, poses a threat to the so called elite teams
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: pull stones on November 26, 2019, 10:24:21 PM
I hope the does not go in the direction it can.

http://www.insideworldfootball.com/2019/11/26/exclusive-banned-warner-lobbied-new-ttfa-chief-wallace-now-seeks-payment/

Apparently Warner's endorsement and lobbying for the United TTFA might be a breach on his conditions. The article is also suggesting that Warner's involvement might be enough to void the results of the recent TTFA election.

FIFA was present during the elections. So if Warner was there, FIFA would have taken action by now.. so I dont know what to believe.

Alleged, gop?

gop, take a deep breath. Of course Warner was not at the HoF. Why would that thought come to mind?

This is just another manifestation of clutching at straws. You think DJW left the HoF early to wash wares? Not that he is the source of this mischief. That honor lies elsewhere methinks.
alas the dirt has surfaced. I was waiting patiently for this and knew that the fat boss like Trump wasnít going to walk away gracefully. the mare fact that he signed new contracts on the eve of the election is testament that this bloke wants to wreck football even in his absence.

sometimes I have to wonder if contro was right about him getting paid to doom our football, or else why would every team falter under his leadership? i really canít handle trinidadians and their love for confusion. the pnm won the last election and it wasnít even a week when the unc questioned the EBC and took them to court and queried four marginal seats , we qualify for a world cup and bahrain protest the results and so on, everything in that country is a rigmarole.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: ZANDOLIE on November 26, 2019, 10:25:54 PM

It can if we substitute "optimal" for "best".

Optimal can be a dangerous word.  If we seek optimal results, with a benchmark of being competitive in the next Gold cup quarter final, how much  money are you willing to redirect from development needs to pay for the calibre of coach we need to hit that benchmark?



Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: gawd on pitch on November 26, 2019, 10:34:42 PM
I hope the does not go in the direction it can.

http://www.insideworldfootball.com/2019/11/26/exclusive-banned-warner-lobbied-new-ttfa-chief-wallace-now-seeks-payment/

Apparently Warner's endorsement and lobbying for the United TTFA might be a breach on his conditions. The article is also suggesting that Warner's involvement might be enough to void the results of the recent TTFA election.

FIFA was present during the elections. So if Warner was there, FIFA would have taken action by now.. so I dont know what to believe.

Alleged, gop?

gop, take a deep breath. Of course Warner was not at the HoF. Why would that thought come to mind?

This is just another manifestation of clutching at straws. You think DJW left the HoF early to wash wares? Not that he is the source of this mischief. That honor lies elsewhere methinks.

Yes. It does seem like a last hurrah by DJW.

My question is whether or not Jack was there. They said he was celebrating with the president after the election.

We'll see if this is just hot air. I did say that DJW seemed to walk away gracefully.. but it was a bit too graceful. Which leads me to think what I originally thought of his departure.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: asylumseeker on November 26, 2019, 10:39:55 PM

It can if we substitute "optimal" for "best".

Optimal can be a dangerous word.  If we seek optimal results, with a benchmark of being competitive in the next Gold cup quarter final, how much  money are you willing to redirect from development needs to pay for the calibre of coach we need to hit that benchmark?

None. There's an optimal GC budget and an optimal development package. Side by side. Whatever coach fits within that parameter. The coach to fit the suit, not the suit to fit the coach.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: ZANDOLIE on November 26, 2019, 11:20:46 PM


If Hart doesnít want it and canít leave Halifax... it will have to be Nakhid or Fenwick... Iím not convinced with eve

Outside of them, we will have to search for a coach and weigh it from there, I have a list but you never know who ttfa will pull out of their hat..

We have to see how Wallace operates... whoever it is, needs to have a full list of our players, and try out all of the ones that are not on the radar and they havenít seen live... we have tremendous depth but it takes time to find it and scout it and try them out..



Ok I could get down with that. Some people will run down our players for having no talent, then bawl for a big name coach. It takes years of hard work to develop a decent player. A national team coach only works with the final product.  They can't convert lead to gold.

Eve, Fenwick and coaches like Streete, Dada etc, have had good results with youth development, precisely (IMO) the direction we need to go. These guys are calculated risk takers. They are not shy to drop non-performers and put hungry players to the test. Fenwick used to have boys fresh from SSLF with mothers milk still on their face running rings around hardback pro-league players. Playing in the 2008-2009 superleague against grown men helped gel the 2009 world cup squad together, as well as develop the quality of. the bench. If I recall they came from last place and went on to win the superleague championship. 

Our core players are decent, but they can't win by themselves. We have a large number of players who are very unexposed or falling off the radar. This calls for revamping the TTMNT and tackling the likes of Jamaica, El Salvador, Haiti etc, before we move on to Mexico, the U.S. Costa Rica et al. We don't need Wenger or Sir Alex at this stage.

To put things in perspective, our unused subs during the 0-0 against Sweden in 2006 were as follows: Kenwyne Jones, Evans Wise, Kelvin Jack, Marvin Andrews and Russel Latapy. That's how strong we were. That is bench strength.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: ZANDOLIE on November 26, 2019, 11:23:41 PM

It can if we substitute "optimal" for "best".

Optimal can be a dangerous word.  If we seek optimal results, with a benchmark of being competitive in the next Gold cup quarter final, how much  money are you willing to redirect from development needs to pay for the calibre of coach we need to hit that benchmark?

None. There's an optimal GC budget and an optimal development package. Side by side. Whatever coach fits within that parameter. The coach to fit the suit, not the suit to fit the coach.

Asylum, define optimal
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: pull stones on November 26, 2019, 11:44:57 PM


If Hart doesnít want it and canít leave Halifax... it will have to be Nakhid or Fenwick... Iím not convinced with eve

Outside of them, we will have to search for a coach and weigh it from there, I have a list but you never know who ttfa will pull out of their hat..

We have to see how Wallace operates... whoever it is, needs to have a full list of our players, and try out all of the ones that are not on the radar and they havenít seen live... we have tremendous depth but it takes time to find it and scout it and try them out..



Ok I could get down with that. Some people will run down our players for having no talent, then bawl for a big name coach. It takes years of hard work to develop a decent player. A national team coach only works with the final product.  They can't convert lead to gold.

Eve, Fenwick and coaches like Streete, Dada etc, have had good results with youth development, precisely (IMO) the direction we need to go. These guys are calculated risk takers. They are not shy to drop non-performers and put hungry players to the test. Fenwick used to have boys fresh from SSLF with mothers milk still on their face running rings around hardback pro-league players. Playing in the 2008-2009 superleague against grown men helped gel the 2009 world cup squad together, as well as develop the quality of. the bench. If I recall they came from last place and went on to win the superleague championship. 

Our core players are decent, but they can't win by themselves. We have a large number of players who are very unexposed or falling off the radar. This calls for revamping the TTMNT and tackling the likes of Jamaica, El Salvador, Haiti etc, before we move on to Mexico, the U.S. Costa Rica et al. We don't need Wenger or Sir Alex at this stage.

To put things in perspective, our unused subs during the 0-0 against Sweden in 2006 were as follows: Kenwyne Jones, Evans Wise, Kelvin Jack, Marvin Andrews and Russel Latapy. That's how strong we were. That is bench strength.
mate I suggest you go back and watch TT vs. mexico 4th game of the last hex, we drilled a first team mexico who actually threw every thing at us, and their coach juan carlos osario was going ape on the side lines yelling at the top of his lungs, and when the referee blew the final whistle osario was relieved that he actually came away with all the points and you could see a huge weight lifted off his shoulders that his team didnít concede.

I was at the stadium that night and saw how the team played and those guy were good as any team in concacaf, in fact I thought we were victims of a scheme when we had a goal disallowed by the Jamaican referee and linesman and I actually believe had we not been the victim of a scheme we could ha 3 beaten them.

after the team flopped out the hex I noticed that the players didnít want to play anymore, I think it was in part that they didnít want to help DJW look good and wanted him gone, believe me mate those guys could play better football than what we saw in the last two years, just like jovin said, he didnít want to play anymore for a coach who didnít respect him. I believe with a good South american coach we could climb up the ranks and become a contender again.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: Controversial on November 27, 2019, 12:49:42 AM


If Hart doesnít want it and canít leave Halifax... it will have to be Nakhid or Fenwick... Iím not convinced with eve

Outside of them, we will have to search for a coach and weigh it from there, I have a list but you never know who ttfa will pull out of their hat..

We have to see how Wallace operates... whoever it is, needs to have a full list of our players, and try out all of the ones that are not on the radar and they havenít seen live... we have tremendous depth but it takes time to find it and scout it and try them out..



Ok I could get down with that. Some people will run down our players for having no talent, then bawl for a big name coach. It takes years of hard work to develop a decent player. A national team coach only works with the final product.  They can't convert lead to gold.

Agreed

Eve, Fenwick and coaches like Streete, Dada etc, have had good results with youth development, precisely (IMO) the direction we need to go. These guys are calculated risk takers. They are not shy to drop non-performers and put hungry players to the test. Fenwick used to have boys fresh from SSLF with mothers milk still on their face running rings around hardback pro-league players. Playing in the 2008-2009 superleague against grown men helped gel the 2009 world cup squad together, as well as develop the quality of. the bench. If I recall they came from last place and went on to win the superleague championship. 

Agreed, Fenwick stands out, Eve is good but doesnít have that confidence as yet to helm the national team

Our core players are decent, but they can't win by themselves. We have a large number of players who are very unexposed or falling off the radar. This calls for revamping the TTMNT and tackling the likes of Jamaica, El Salvador, Haiti etc, before we move on to Mexico, the U.S. Costa Rica et al. We don't need Wenger or Sir Alex at this stage.

Disagree, like I said above, we only know a few of our core players, there are many who have not been given a chance and should be on the team and are not, so a little to premature to say we are only decent

To put things in perspective, our unused subs during the 0-0 against Sweden in 2006 were as follows: Kenwyne Jones, Evans Wise, Kelvin Jack, Marvin Andrews and Russel Latapy. That's how strong we were. That is bench strength.

I think we can equal that or do better, in fact under Hart we played a much more attacking style with flair, further to that, even if we were a goal behind, it was the first time I felt confident the team could come from behind, I think we can replicate that again and go even better without the saboteurs around the team
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: Controversial on November 27, 2019, 12:50:50 AM


If Hart doesnít want it and canít leave Halifax... it will have to be Nakhid or Fenwick... Iím not convinced with eve

Outside of them, we will have to search for a coach and weigh it from there, I have a list but you never know who ttfa will pull out of their hat..

We have to see how Wallace operates... whoever it is, needs to have a full list of our players, and try out all of the ones that are not on the radar and they havenít seen live... we have tremendous depth but it takes time to find it and scout it and try them out..



Ok I could get down with that. Some people will run down our players for having no talent, then bawl for a big name coach. It takes years of hard work to develop a decent player. A national team coach only works with the final product.  They can't convert lead to gold.

Eve, Fenwick and coaches like Streete, Dada etc, have had good results with youth development, precisely (IMO) the direction we need to go. These guys are calculated risk takers. They are not shy to drop non-performers and put hungry players to the test. Fenwick used to have boys fresh from SSLF with mothers milk still on their face running rings around hardback pro-league players. Playing in the 2008-2009 superleague against grown men helped gel the 2009 world cup squad together, as well as develop the quality of. the bench. If I recall they came from last place and went on to win the superleague championship. 

Our core players are decent, but they can't win by themselves. We have a large number of players who are very unexposed or falling off the radar. This calls for revamping the TTMNT and tackling the likes of Jamaica, El Salvador, Haiti etc, before we move on to Mexico, the U.S. Costa Rica et al. We don't need Wenger or Sir Alex at this stage.

To put things in perspective, our unused subs during the 0-0 against Sweden in 2006 were as follows: Kenwyne Jones, Evans Wise, Kelvin Jack, Marvin Andrews and Russel Latapy. That's how strong we were. That is bench strength.
mate I suggest you go back and watch TT vs. mexico 4th game of the last hex, we drilled a first team mexico who actually threw every thing at us, and their coach juan carlos osario was going ape on the side lines yelling at the top of his lungs, and when the referee blew the final whistle osario was relieved that he actually came away with all the points and you could see a huge weight lifted off his shoulders that his team didnít concede.

I was at the stadium that night and saw how the team played and those guy were good as any team in concacaf, in fact I thought we were victims of a scheme when we had a goal disallowed by the Jamaican referee and linesman and I actually believe had we not been the victim of a scheme we could ha 3 beaten them.

after the team flopped out the hex I noticed that the players didnít want to play anymore, I think it was in part that they didnít want to help DJW look good and wanted him gone, believe me mate those guys could play better football than what we saw in the last two years, just like jovin said, he didnít want to play anymore for a coach who didnít respect him. I believe with a good South american coach we could climb up the ranks and become a contender again.

 :beermug: :beermug:
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: ZANDOLIE on November 27, 2019, 01:11:22 AM
"mate I suggest you go back and watch TT vs. mexico 4th game of the last hex, we drilled a first team mexico who actually threw every thing at us, and their coach juan carlos osario was going ape on the side lines yelling at the top of his lungs, and when the referee blew the final whistle osario was relieved that he actually came away with all the points and you could see a huge weight lifted off his shoulders that his team didnít concede.

"I was at the stadium that night and saw how the team played and those guy were good as any team in concacaf, in fact I thought we were victims of a scheme when we had a goal disallowed by the Jamaican referee and linesman and I actually believe had we not been the victim of a scheme we could ha 3 beaten them.

after the team flopped out the hex I noticed that the players didnít want to play anymore, I think it was in part that they didnít want to help DJW look good and wanted him gone, believe me mate those guys could play better football than what we saw in the last two years, just like jovin said, he didnít want to play anymore for a coach who didnít respect him. I believe with a good South american coach we could climb up the ranks and become a contender again."




I agree with everything you have just said. I made the point earlier that the core of this team played in two world cups. They were the beneficiaries of of a strong development program. Their predecessors, a very talented team U-17 included Keon Daniel (who was highly regarded as a youth player), Hyland, Matthew Bartholemew, Guerra and Lester Peltier received poor preparation and lost out to Jamaica in CONCACAF qualifying.


After that the TTFF committed to better preparing the next youth team. They started by sending them to the Dallas Cup, then CFU tournaments at U-14 level, then quality international friendlies. They gradually built them into the 2007 and 2009 youth World Cup teams. Their success was the result of years of hard work, dedication and support.


Do we have good players that have been handicapped by poor coaching? Absolutely. But when these guys get injured, or need someone to step up, or when they are gone from the scene who have we developed and nurtured as their replacements?


Not only have TTFA abdicated the responsibility of development, they also committed to a coach who does nor have an eye on the future. Lawrence has not effectively incorporated successors into his teams. He is risk averse and over-reliant only on established players. With awful results. We now 'experimenting' with Dre Fortune, Aikim Andrews and Woo Ling...but these guys were part of a 2013 team that was one win away from WC qualifying. Six years ago, and only now these fellas smelling the senior team?
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: asylumseeker on November 27, 2019, 05:06:47 AM
I hope the does not go in the direction it can.

http://www.insideworldfootball.com/2019/11/26/exclusive-banned-warner-lobbied-new-ttfa-chief-wallace-now-seeks-payment/

Apparently Warner's endorsement and lobbying for the United TTFA might be a breach on his conditions. The article is also suggesting that Warner's involvement might be enough to void the results of the recent TTFA election.

FIFA was present during the elections. So if Warner was there, FIFA would have taken action by now.. so I dont know what to believe.

Alleged, gop?

gop, take a deep breath. Of course Warner was not at the HoF. Why would that thought come to mind?

This is just another manifestation of clutching at straws. You think DJW left the HoF early to wash wares? Not that he is the source of this mischief. That honor lies elsewhere methinks.

Yes. It does seem like a last hurrah by DJW.

My question is whether or not Jack was there. They said he was celebrating with the president after the election.

We'll see if this is just hot air. I did say that DJW seemed to walk away gracefully.. but it was a bit too graceful. Which leads me to think what I originally thought of his departure.

The word used by Nicholson was "rumoured" ... which means that Nicholson himself, despite being the conduit of this mischief (the bottom line here is mischief), does not know whether it happened or not and can't so state definitively. That being the case, you shouldn't state it as if it did happen.

The election took place at the HoF, not at AJW's home and not via conference call. You have established that CONCACAF and FIFA officials were present to certify the election outcome. Do you accept that neither the Electoral Committee, nor CONCACAF and FIFA officials nor the candidates themselves would have moved forward with Jack Warner in the building?
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: injunchile on November 27, 2019, 09:34:27 AM
I am Sure Yorke would take it. With Latas and Lara around that is enough motivation.
 Why not give Fenwick a chance.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: Controversial on November 27, 2019, 09:58:46 AM
I am Sure Yorke would take it. With Latas and Lara around that is enough motivation.
 Why not give Fenwick a chance.

Has Yorke been coaching? Last time I heard he was sliding into my friends dms who plays for ManU womenís team  :D :D
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: pull stones on November 27, 2019, 10:02:36 AM
I am Sure Yorke would take it. With Latas and Lara around that is enough motivation.
 Why not give Fenwick a chance.
didnt you guys learn anything from the past? from Alvin corneal to dennis lawrence what did we ever achieve with local coaches other than grief? they pick the players that they like and not whoís good for the team, they ostracized players they ignore public out cry theyíre stubborn and lack managing skills that inspire players to give their all, I say no more experimentation.

let these local coaches go out on their own and do well and then if they want to give back to local football fine, but donít use our senior menís team as catapult to launch these rookie coaches careers, no bloody way. we all saw where that got us with latapy st Claire and lawrence. I say spend the money and buy a decent foreign coach because good coaches ainít cheap and cheap coaches ainít no good and done with these experiments that never seem to work out well for in the end.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: asylumseeker on November 27, 2019, 10:12:27 AM
Yeah, no margin of error for that sort of experimentation and indulgence. Done.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: pull stones on November 27, 2019, 10:27:07 AM
Follies that local coaches suffer from. ignoring players who are doing well for their clubs but canít catch a break on the National al team. aurtis whitley was ignored by bertile st claire repeatedly and was denied an opportunity, it it took benhakker (a foreigner) to recognize his value.

 Ian clauzel in the VB interview said that he never got a chance to show his worth in spite of Alvin cornealís blatant knowledge of him, especially when clauzel played against his three sons and defeated them in CCL and there were other players who Alvin ignored entirely because they werenít his type of people.

latapy was another stubborn mule. he totally ignore andre Bouchard, Kendal jagdeosingh, Nigel henry, and rickey shakes. there was no way that those lads was getting a look at by him, he even claimed that he donít watch match tapes or scout his opponents, how bloody arrogant and crazy is that?

and we all saw what dennis was made of. benching jovin to play everyone else even though we needed a win desperately and jovin more than anyone had the ability to deliver. he had the opportunity to land noah powder but never did despite the playerís form for his club, he totally dumped on greg ranjitsingh and failed to cap this valuable player, and this nonsense about not communicating with players and ignoring them completely is so unprofessional and unbecoming of an international coach.

 can we afford to take another chance on a local coach seeing that we have so much at stake ATM? i think not.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: palos on November 27, 2019, 01:42:03 PM
Dennis Lawrence isn't exactly a "local coach"

Certainly not any more "local" than SH was

ALL coaches have their preferences....bias some might say.

De same Beenie kept Latas on the bench until the very last game when we were already out in the world cup

Ranjitsingh didn't play under SH either.  Different circumstances I know....but still the fact remains.

Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: ZANDOLIE on November 27, 2019, 11:15:20 PM
Dennis Lawrence isn't exactly a "local coach"

Certainly not any more "local" than SH was

ALL coaches have their preferences....bias some might say.

De same Beenie kept Latas on the bench until the very last game when we were already out in the world cup

Ranjitsingh didn't play under SH either.  Different circumstances I know....but still the fact remains.



Beenhakker and Hart were regarded as successful coaches. If you achieve success, you are given leeway to bench and play favourites.

But if you are approaching 'worst coach ever' status at breakneck speed the way Lawrence is/has then you have will have a hell of a time justifying inclusions/exclusions/strategy.

Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: Controversial on November 27, 2019, 11:42:50 PM
Dennis Lawrence isn't exactly a "local coach"

Certainly not any more "local" than SH was

ALL coaches have their preferences....bias some might say.

De same Beenie kept Latas on the bench until the very last game when we were already out in the world cup

Ranjitsingh didn't play under SH either.  Different circumstances I know....but still the fact remains.



Beenhakker and Hart were regarded as successful coaches. If you achieve success, you are given leeway to bench and play favourites.

But if you are approaching 'worst coach ever' status at breakneck speed the way Lawrence is/has then you have will have a hell of a time justifying inclusions/exclusions/strategy.



Excellent point, but Hart would have played ranjitsingh after a while and Greg not playing was due to Jan being captain, so that was player politics while the other players supported that ...
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: ffisback on November 28, 2019, 02:58:11 AM
Dennis Lawrence isn't exactly a "local coach"

Certainly not any more "local" than SH was

ALL coaches have their preferences....bias some might say.

De same Beenie kept Latas on the bench until the very last game when we were already out in the world cup

Ranjitsingh didn't play under SH either.  Different circumstances I know....but still the fact remains.



Beenhakker and Hart were regarded as successful coaches. If you achieve success, you are given leeway to bench and play favourites.

But if you are approaching 'worst coach ever' status at breakneck speed the way Lawrence is/has then you have will have a hell of a time justifying inclusions/exclusions/strategy.
Success is in the eyes of the beholder people say Beenhakker was a successful coach because he got TT to the WC through the back door with the 4th spot but they overlook the fact that if R Latapy had not come out of retirement Beenakker would have failed just like the other coach's fail when they coach TT it was more luck than success with Beenhakker people say S Hart was a successful coach because he got to the quarterfinal rounds in the Gold Cup 2 times but they overlook the fact that the GC is a dress rehearsal for the WC if you can't get your team to the semifinal rounds you have failed.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: ffisback on November 28, 2019, 03:11:14 AM
It is a pity we did not have a U-23 team to participate in the Olympic qualifications for Tokyo 2020.
TT should put in to host the Olympic qualifiers in the end of May early June just make it 12 teams instead of 8 there is a lot of talent on this team this  would be a nice way to open the home of football and they should let Z Vanes coach the team that way the team would be successful.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: Deeks on November 28, 2019, 03:38:15 AM
It is a pity we did not have a U-23 team to participate in the Olympic qualifications for Tokyo 2020.
TT should put in to host the Olympic qualifiers in the end of May early June just make it 12 teams instead of 8 there is a lot of talent on this team this  would be a nice way to open the home of football and they should let Z Vanes coach the team that way the team would be successful.

Is Vranes still around? maybe that is something we should put forward to Wallace.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: pull stones on November 28, 2019, 04:47:16 AM
It is a pity we did not have a U-23 team to participate in the Olympic qualifications for Tokyo 2020.
TT should put in to host the Olympic qualifiers in the end of May early June just make it 12 teams instead of 8 there is a lot of talent on this team this  would be a nice way to open the home of football and they should let Z Vanes coach the team that way the team would be successful.

Is Vranes still around? maybe that is something we should put forward to Wallace.
you have time to waste with this troll? this jack in the box actually believes that zoran vranes is a better coach than leo benhakker, can you imagine making a dotish statement like dat and still be taken seriously? immediately after that dunce statement i would have ignored him the same way i would a fat ugly witch.

 zoran vranes never won a tea cup in his life yet he has more credit than don leo a champions league and an iridivise league winner in this mad manís eyes, mean while vranes never coached in any league worth mentioning but heís the best man for the job. boy oh boy some trinis are silly.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: sjahrain on November 28, 2019, 08:24:25 AM
Time for leaders to step up...and send into exile all the dam rulers....Country first...and your foolish pride second or not at all...people this rebuild will not come overnight....l hope patience will be exercised
Contro saw this coming and got it from all quarters..l can only hope we have hit the bottom and moving up is our only option...Jah bless
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: injunchile on November 28, 2019, 08:39:03 AM
In todays Express= TT$50 million in debt - where will we find the money for a foreign Coach.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: Deeks on November 28, 2019, 10:52:13 AM
In todays Express= TT$50 million in debt - where will we find the money for a foreign Coach.

Lucky it eh 50 million US.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: Deeks on November 28, 2019, 11:29:49 AM
It is a pity we did not have a U-23 team to participate in the Olympic qualifications for Tokyo 2020.
TT should put in to host the Olympic qualifiers in the end of May early June just make it 12 teams instead of 8 there is a lot of talent on this team this  would be a nice way to open the home of football and they should let Z Vanes coach the team that way the team would be successful.

Is Vranes still around? maybe that is something we should put forward to Wallace.
you have time to waste with this troll? this jack in the box actually believes that zoran vranes is a better coach than leo benhakker, can you imagine making a dotish statement like dat and still be taken seriously? immediately after that dunce statement i would have ignored him the same way i would a fat ugly witch.

 zoran vranes never won a tea cup in his life yet he has more credit than don leo a champions league and an iridivise league winner in this mad manís eyes, mean while vranes never coached in any league worth mentioning but heís the best man for the job. boy oh boy some trinis are silly.

Pull Stones, Vranes did coach  TT Shell Cup in JA. They won it. Allyuh could check.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: Controversial on November 28, 2019, 11:42:01 AM
In todays Express= TT$50 million in debt - where will we find the money for a foreign Coach.

I doubt we will, they may have to pay Hart in parts and ask him to come back and coach and if not, itís going to Fenwick or Nakhid at a bargain basement price for now... I hope not but thatís 7 million usd

Like I said, the govt needs to bail them out and pay our citizens who the ttfa owe... this was part of what the dictator was paid to do, sabotage our team and finances, so TT canít climb out of it on time to qualify and debilitate us for years

Lawrence needs to go, he was complicit in the scheme
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: Controversial on November 28, 2019, 11:42:48 AM
It is a pity we did not have a U-23 team to participate in the Olympic qualifications for Tokyo 2020.
TT should put in to host the Olympic qualifiers in the end of May early June just make it 12 teams instead of 8 there is a lot of talent on this team this  would be a nice way to open the home of football and they should let Z Vanes coach the team that way the team would be successful.

Is Vranes still around? maybe that is something we should put forward to Wallace.
you have time to waste with this troll? this jack in the box actually believes that zoran vranes is a better coach than leo benhakker, can you imagine making a dotish statement like dat and still be taken seriously? immediately after that dunce statement i would have ignored him the same way i would a fat ugly witch.

 zoran vranes never won a tea cup in his life yet he has more credit than don leo a champions league and an iridivise league winner in this mad manís eyes, mean while vranes never coached in any league worth mentioning but heís the best man for the job. boy oh boy some trinis are silly.

Pull Stones, Vranes did coach  TT Shell Cup in JA. They won it. Allyuh could check.

Correct... vranes is not equipped to beat this era of wc teams, but he is good at youth level if he had the right support
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: pull stones on November 28, 2019, 06:57:52 PM
It is a pity we did not have a U-23 team to participate in the Olympic qualifications for Tokyo 2020.
TT should put in to host the Olympic qualifiers in the end of May early June just make it 12 teams instead of 8 there is a lot of talent on this team this  would be a nice way to open the home of football and they should let Z Vanes coach the team that way the team would be successful.

Is Vranes still around? maybe that is something we should put forward to Wallace.
you have time to waste with this troll? this jack in the box actually believes that zoran vranes is a better coach than leo benhakker, can you imagine making a dotish statement like dat and still be taken seriously? immediately after that dunce statement i would have ignored him the same way i would a fat ugly witch.

 zoran vranes never won a tea cup in his life yet he has more credit than don leo a champions league and an iridivise league winner in this mad manís eyes, mean while vranes never coached in any league worth mentioning but heís the best man for the job. boy oh boy some trinis are silly.

Pull Stones, Vranes did coach  TT Shell Cup in JA. They won it. Allyuh could check.
really deeks, the shell cup is something worth mentioning......are you serious.....thatís like winning and SSFL title, would you compare that with the eridivise and to top it off the champions league cup the crem de la crem? deeks Iím beginning to worry about you.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: asylumseeker on November 28, 2019, 07:02:44 PM
 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: pull stones on November 28, 2019, 07:03:40 PM
In todays Express= TT$50 million in debt - where will we find the money for a foreign Coach.

I doubt we will, they may have to pay Hart in parts and ask him to come back and coach and if not, itís going to Fenwick or Nakhid at a bargain basement price for now... I hope not but thatís 7 million usd

Like I said, the govt needs to bail them out and pay our citizens who the ttfa owe... this was part of what the dictator was paid to do, sabotage our team and finances, so TT canít climb out of it on time to qualify and debilitate us for years

Lawrence needs to go, he was complicit in the scheme
i guess once you get your mind wrapped around an idea good luck getting it out right? itís everyday youíre going to beat the hart fenwick and nakid drum now? for Christ sake mate get a hold of yourself. i really wonít be able to take this mantra for long.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: Controversial on November 28, 2019, 08:15:43 PM
In todays Express= TT$50 million in debt - where will we find the money for a foreign Coach.

I doubt we will, they may have to pay Hart in parts and ask him to come back and coach and if not, itís going to Fenwick or Nakhid at a bargain basement price for now... I hope not but thatís 7 million usd

Like I said, the govt needs to bail them out and pay our citizens who the ttfa owe... this was part of what the dictator was paid to do, sabotage our team and finances, so TT canít climb out of it on time to qualify and debilitate us for years

Lawrence needs to go, he was complicit in the scheme
i guess once you get your mind wrapped around an idea good luck getting it out right? itís everyday youíre going to beat the hart fenwick and nakid drum now? for Christ sake mate get a hold of yourself. i really wonít be able to take this mantra for long.

Speak it into existence as they say...
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: ffisback on November 28, 2019, 11:37:36 PM
It is a pity we did not have a U-23 team to participate in the Olympic qualifications for Tokyo 2020.
TT should put in to host the Olympic qualifiers in the end of May early June just make it 12 teams instead of 8 there is a lot of talent on this team this  would be a nice way to open the home of football and they should let Z Vanes coach the team that way the team would be successful.

Is Vranes still around? maybe that is something we should put forward to Wallace.
you have time to waste with this troll? this jack in the box actually believes that zoran vranes is a better coach than leo benhakker, can you imagine making a dotish statement like dat and still be taken seriously? immediately after that dunce statement i would have ignored him the same way i would a fat ugly witch.

 zoran vranes never won a tea cup in his life yet he has more credit than don leo a champions league and an iridivise league winner in this mad manís eyes, mean while vranes never coached in any league worth mentioning but heís the best man for the job. boy oh boy some trinis are silly.
I'm not saying that Z Vanes is a better coach than Leo Beenhakker but what I'm saying is Z Vanes is more suited for TT football because eastern European country's play with a #10 that's why Z Vanes does not try to stifle our best player but coach's like L Beenhakker always try to put our best player in shackles TT has to hire a coach that will let TT play there football not a coach that is going to put our best player in shackles.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: Deeks on November 29, 2019, 12:05:13 AM
It is a pity we did not have a U-23 team to participate in the Olympic qualifications for Tokyo 2020.
TT should put in to host the Olympic qualifiers in the end of May early June just make it 12 teams instead of 8 there is a lot of talent on this team this  would be a nice way to open the home of football and they should let Z Vanes coach the team that way the team would be successful.

Is Vranes still around? maybe that is something we should put forward to Wallace.
you have time to waste with this troll? this jack in the box actually believes that zoran vranes is a better coach than leo benhakker, can you imagine making a dotish statement like dat and still be taken seriously? immediately after that dunce statement i would have ignored him the same way i would a fat ugly witch.

 zoran vranes never won a tea cup in his life yet he has more credit than don leo a champions league and an iridivise league winner in this mad manís eyes, mean while vranes never coached in any league worth mentioning but heís the best man for the job. boy oh boy some trinis are silly.

Pull Stones, Vranes did coach  TT Shell Cup in JA. They won it. Allyuh could check.
really deeks, the shell cup is something worth mentioning......are you serious.....thatís like winning and SSFL title, would you compare that with the eridivise and to top it off the champions league cup the crem de la crem? deeks Iím beginning to worry about you.

Pull Stones, yes, go ahead  denigrate the competition if you and other forumites want too. That was the competition of the day, and TT was a leading team in that competition. We won about 8 Shell and you pissing on their efforts. Now they can't even qualify for CFU cup you still pissing on them.  You saying he never win anything. I just putting the record straight, that he has been in TT football for a number years and did win a trophy in the highest Caribbean  competition at the time.  And why are you comparing the eridivise and CL. Before you go to the CL, you would have to win or come 2nd in the eridivisie. How about comparing the EPL to the CL. You have to come in the top 5 in the EPL to go the CL. No, you are the one who have the issues.

So get back the the topic at hand.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: Tiresais on November 29, 2019, 03:58:12 AM
I think winning any competition in football is generally difficult. I understand why you might think that SSFL and the like don't prepare the same, but are we going to get someone who has won a top-tier professional league? It'd be interesting to find out exactly what competitions any of our NT managers have ever won?

Vranes seems to be competent at whatever he puts his hand to in T&T football - he did well at Central in his many roles and did well for the NT.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: Deeks on November 29, 2019, 06:36:50 AM
I think winning any competition in football is generally difficult. I understand why you might think that SSFL and the like don't prepare the same, but are we going to get someone who has won a top-tier professional league? It'd be interesting to find out exactly what competitions any of our NT managers have ever won?

Vranes seems to be competent at whatever he puts his hand to in T&T football - he did well at Central in his many roles and did well for the NT.


I don't think Vranes is the right man for the job. I don't know which team he coaches. Maybe QPCC?  I just don't know. I saw him with the TT team in Richmond. They were preparing for that same Shell cup in JA. The played  the US B team and loss 1-0. They had a small reception for them and he spoke very briefly. He appeared to be a soft spoken guy. Did not know how to asses him. But then a week later, to my surprise I read that they won the cup. But it appears like one minutes he is JW good books, next min. he is out. I think he coached St. Vincent, and probably Antigua and Grenada. I am not really sure. Then he dabble with almost every pro-league club in TT. You all may not like it but he has plenty local and regional bona fides. he has been in the Caribbean for more than 20 years.

But, WW and team will have to make the assessment on who the next coach will be. We don't know the intricacies of DL contract with TTFA/Concacaf/FIFA. In my honest opinion I don't see any local coach that I will feel comfortable with at this time. Angus might be the only one. He is young and vibrant. He probably has  a "football head". But that head is coaching schools boys. Coach "independent" adults is a different thing.

If TTFA decide to go foreign, what will they want him to do? Just coach the team for the next GC, and/or also do some serious developmental with the U-17s, U-19s, U-23s. Will they want him to do technical duties or hire a separate coach. Most of the coaches I see allyuh mentioned will only be in TT for carnival or a weekend in Tobago. We have gotten some good foreign coaches before. And we have been burnt by some foreign coaches. I really don't know of any foreign I can confidently say, "pick he". So that is my 2 cent.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: ffisback on November 29, 2019, 09:27:00 AM
I think winning any competition in football is generally difficult. I understand why you might think that SSFL and the like don't prepare the same, but are we going to get someone who has won a top-tier professional league? It'd be interesting to find out exactly what competitions any of our NT managers have ever won?

Vranes seems to be competent at whatever he puts his hand to in T&T football - he did well at Central in his many roles and did well for the NT.


I don't think Vranes is the right man for the job. I don't know which team he coaches. Maybe QPCC?  I just don't know. I saw him with the TT team in Richmond. They were preparing for that same Shell cup in JA. The played  the US B team and loss 1-0. They had a small reception for them and he spoke very briefly. He appeared to be a soft spoken guy. Did not know how to asses him. But then a week later, to my surprise I read that they won the cup. But it appears like one minutes he is JW good books, next min. he is out. I think he coached St. Vincent, and probably Antigua and Grenada. I am not really sure. Then he dabble with almost every pro-league club in TT. You all may not like it but he has plenty local and regional bona fides. he has been in the Caribbean for more than 20 years.

But, WW and team will have to make the assessment on who the next coach will be. We don't know the intricacies of DL contract with TTFA/Concacaf/FIFA. In my honest opinion I don't see any local coach that I will feel comfortable with at this time. Angus might be the only one. He is young and vibrant. He probably has  a "football head". But that head is coaching schools boys. Coach "independent" adults is a different thing.

If TTFA decide to go foreign, what will they want him to do? Just coach the team for the next GC, and/or also do some serious developmental with the U-17s, U-19s, U-23s. Will they want him to do technical duties or hire a separate coach. Most of the coaches I see allyuh mentioned will only be in TT for carnival or a weekend in Tobago. We have gotten some good foreign coaches before. And we have been burnt by some foreign coaches. I really don't know of any foreign I can confidently say, "pick he". So that is my 2 cent.
I was at a game in Richmond VA were TT loss 1-0 to a U S A Olympic team back 1995 while I was disappointed I realize that Z Vanes uses friendly's to look at players I don't see Z Vanes as a long term solution for TT football but short term he can help. TT does not have the money to pay a big name coach that people here pushing for so they have to get a coach that is willing to work with them .

DL should not be allowed to coach another game its a waist of time he is doing the same thing SH did TT needs a coach who is going to give players like J Garcia M W Ling M P Angeron K Julien C Benny  etc international games so they can develop there games so they can get a chance to go and play in much better leagues or else they go end up playing in leagues like I league USL and CPL Z Vanes is the 1 that gave players like A Dwarika E Wise S John and A Elcock there break so he will give these young guys there break they need to get to the 2022 playoff game so they can be ready for 2026.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: palos on November 29, 2019, 10:56:47 AM
DL should not be allowed to coach another game its a waist of time he is doing the same thing SH did TT needs a coach who is going to give players like J Garcia M W Ling M P Angeron K Julien C Benny  etc international games so they can develop there games so they can get a chance to go and play in much better leagues or else they go end up playing in leagues like I league USL and CPL Z Vanes is the 1 that gave players like A Dwarika E Wise S John and A Elcock there break so he will give these young guys there break they need to get to the 2022 playoff game so they can be ready for 2026.

My 2 cents........no coach is going to give young, inexperienced players free reign to "develop" in international football.....UNLESS......that's coach job security is guaranteed.  In other words......results don't matter.

If results don't matter......then a coach is MORE INCLINED to give inexperienced players the opportunity to develop on the field of play.  On the job learning.   

But even if results don't matter.... a coach is always going to be mindful of their coaching record....and THAT is about WINS and LOSSES.   If they ever hope to have another coaching gig at that level.....WINS and LOSSES matter.....no matter how much you trying to develop.

A mens National senior team is NOT the place to do wholescale development.   If that's the plan....then there really is no plan.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: Controversial on November 29, 2019, 10:58:00 AM
I think winning any competition in football is generally difficult. I understand why you might think that SSFL and the like don't prepare the same, but are we going to get someone who has won a top-tier professional league? It'd be interesting to find out exactly what competitions any of our NT managers have ever won?

Vranes seems to be competent at whatever he puts his hand to in T&T football - he did well at Central in his many roles and did well for the NT.


I don't think Vranes is the right man for the job. I don't know which team he coaches. Maybe QPCC?  I just don't know. I saw him with the TT team in Richmond. They were preparing for that same Shell cup in JA. The played  the US B team and loss 1-0. They had a small reception for them and he spoke very briefly. He appeared to be a soft spoken guy. Did not know how to asses him. But then a week later, to my surprise I read that they won the cup. But it appears like one minutes he is JW good books, next min. he is out. I think he coached St. Vincent, and probably Antigua and Grenada. I am not really sure. Then he dabble with almost every pro-league club in TT. You all may not like it but he has plenty local and regional bona fides. he has been in the Caribbean for more than 20 years.

But, WW and team will have to make the assessment on who the next coach will be. We don't know the intricacies of DL contract with TTFA/Concacaf/FIFA. In my honest opinion I don't see any local coach that I will feel comfortable with at this time. Angus might be the only one. He is young and vibrant. He probably has  a "football head". But that head is coaching schools boys. Coach "independent" adults is a different thing.

If TTFA decide to go foreign, what will they want him to do? Just coach the team for the next GC, and/or also do some serious developmental with the U-17s, U-19s, U-23s. Will they want him to do technical duties or hire a separate coach. Most of the coaches I see allyuh mentioned will only be in TT for carnival or a weekend in Tobago. We have gotten some good foreign coaches before. And we have been burnt by some foreign coaches. I really don't know of any foreign I can confidently say, "pick he". So that is my 2 cent.
I was at a game in Richmond VA were TT loss 1-0 to a U S A Olympic team back 1995 while I was disappointed I realize that Z Vanes uses friendly's to look at players I don't see Z Vanes as a long term solution for TT football but short term he can help. TT does not have the money to pay a big name coach that people here pushing for so they have to get a coach that is willing to work with them .

DL should not be allowed to coach another game its a waist of time he is doing the same thing SH did TT needs a coach who is going to give players like J Garcia M W Ling M P Angeron K Julien C Benny  etc international games so they can develop there games so they can get a chance to go and play in much better leagues or else they go end up playing in leagues like I league USL and CPL Z Vanes is the 1 that gave players like A Dwarika E Wise S John and A Elcock there break so he will give these young guys there break they need to get to the 2022 playoff game so they can be ready for 2026.

Youíre a fool, Hart and DL are not in the same category, Hart took us to one of our best rankings in history and was sabotaged... DL was not sabotaged, he went along with the sabotage

Stop talking that nonsense on here like people dumb enough to go along with those lies
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: Controversial on November 29, 2019, 10:59:34 AM
DL should not be allowed to coach another game its a waist of time he is doing the same thing SH did TT needs a coach who is going to give players like J Garcia M W Ling M P Angeron K Julien C Benny  etc international games so they can develop there games so they can get a chance to go and play in much better leagues or else they go end up playing in leagues like I league USL and CPL Z Vanes is the 1 that gave players like A Dwarika E Wise S John and A Elcock there break so he will give these young guys there break they need to get to the 2022 playoff game so they can be ready for 2026.

My 2 cents........no coach is going to give young, inexperienced players free reign to "develop" in international football.....UNLESS......that's coach job security is guaranteed.  In other words......results don't matter.

If results don't matter......then a coach is MORE INCLINED to give inexperienced players the opportunity to develop on the field of play.  On the job learning.   

But even if results don't matter.... a coach is always going to be mindful of their coaching record....and THAT is about WINS and LOSSES.   If they ever hope to have another coaching gig at that level.....WINS and LOSSES matter.....no matter how much you trying to develop.

A mens National senior team is NOT the place to do wholescale development.   If that's the plan....then there really is no plan.

Exactly but Lawrence will get another job because he went along with the sabotage so heís safe in terms of future employment

Watch and see, when he leaves Trinidad for his next coaching job
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: Tiresais on November 29, 2019, 12:29:16 PM
I think winning any competition in football is generally difficult. I understand why you might think that SSFL and the like don't prepare the same, but are we going to get someone who has won a top-tier professional league? It'd be interesting to find out exactly what competitions any of our NT managers have ever won?

Vranes seems to be competent at whatever he puts his hand to in T&T football - he did well at Central in his many roles and did well for the NT.


I don't think Vranes is the right man for the job. I don't know which team he coaches. Maybe QPCC?  I just don't know. I saw him with the TT team in Richmond. They were preparing for that same Shell cup in JA. The played  the US B team and loss 1-0. They had a small reception for them and he spoke very briefly. He appeared to be a soft spoken guy. Did not know how to asses him. But then a week later, to my surprise I read that they won the cup. But it appears like one minutes he is JW good books, next min. he is out. I think he coached St. Vincent, and probably Antigua and Grenada. I am not really sure. Then he dabble with almost every pro-league club in TT. You all may not like it but he has plenty local and regional bona fides. he has been in the Caribbean for more than 20 years.

But, WW and team will have to make the assessment on who the next coach will be. We don't know the intricacies of DL contract with TTFA/Concacaf/FIFA. In my honest opinion I don't see any local coach that I will feel comfortable with at this time. Angus might be the only one. He is young and vibrant. He probably has  a "football head". But that head is coaching schools boys. Coach "independent" adults is a different thing.

If TTFA decide to go foreign, what will they want him to do? Just coach the team for the next GC, and/or also do some serious developmental with the U-17s, U-19s, U-23s. Will they want him to do technical duties or hire a separate coach. Most of the coaches I see allyuh mentioned will only be in TT for carnival or a weekend in Tobago. We have gotten some good foreign coaches before. And we have been burnt by some foreign coaches. I really don't know of any foreign I can confidently say, "pick he". So that is my 2 cent.

Agree with most of what you say - Vranes' CV doesn't sparkle and blind, but it does show a steady pair of hands, knows the Caribbean well, and trusts in youth (he was head of youth development at Central for a bit too). This is probably why he keeps coming up, and given his CV he won't be too expensive. Agree that Angus looks interesting and has a decent track record, although something sticks in the back of my mind (not near my database so can't say). Ross Russel Sr. had a decent record at club level and is currently goalkeeping coach, but would be a significant step up and his last managing job was North East Stars (where he won the league).

I agree we shouldn't go foreign - doesn't make sense unless we get through anotehr generation that might be worth the extra outlay for a more qualified and experienced candidate.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: ffisback on November 29, 2019, 12:55:19 PM
DL should not be allowed to coach another game its a waist of time he is doing the same thing SH did TT needs a coach who is going to give players like J Garcia M W Ling M P Angeron K Julien C Benny  etc international games so they can develop there games so they can get a chance to go and play in much better leagues or else they go end up playing in leagues like I league USL and CPL Z Vanes is the 1 that gave players like A Dwarika E Wise S John and A Elcock there break so he will give these young guys there break they need to get to the 2022 playoff game so they can be ready for 2026.

My 2 cents........no coach is going to give young, inexperienced players free reign to "develop" in international football.....UNLESS......that's coach job security is guaranteed.  In other words......results don't matter.

If results don't matter......then a coach is MORE INCLINED to give inexperienced players the opportunity to develop on the field of play.  On the job learning.   

But even if results don't matter.... a coach is always going to be mindful of their coaching record....and THAT is about WINS and LOSSES.   If they ever hope to have another coaching gig at that level.....WINS and LOSSES matter.....no matter how much you trying to develop.

A mens National senior team is NOT the place to do wholescale development.   If that's the plan....then there really is no plan.
You are a perfect example of why TT football has been in decline for the past several years because people think like you Trinidadian coach's are scared to play the youths because they worry about results a foreign coach gives the youths a chance because they know that youth can develop into a much better player than somebody already approaching there mid 20s will ever be that's still better than no plan.

TTFA has to be brave and hire a Foreign coach that will save TT football and give the youths a chance instead of hiring a bunch of COWARDS.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: Controversial on November 29, 2019, 12:56:57 PM
I think winning any competition in football is generally difficult. I understand why you might think that SSFL and the like don't prepare the same, but are we going to get someone who has won a top-tier professional league? It'd be interesting to find out exactly what competitions any of our NT managers have ever won?

Vranes seems to be competent at whatever he puts his hand to in T&T football - he did well at Central in his many roles and did well for the NT.


I don't think Vranes is the right man for the job. I don't know which team he coaches. Maybe QPCC?  I just don't know. I saw him with the TT team in Richmond. They were preparing for that same Shell cup in JA. The played  the US B team and loss 1-0. They had a small reception for them and he spoke very briefly. He appeared to be a soft spoken guy. Did not know how to asses him. But then a week later, to my surprise I read that they won the cup. But it appears like one minutes he is JW good books, next min. he is out. I think he coached St. Vincent, and probably Antigua and Grenada. I am not really sure. Then he dabble with almost every pro-league club in TT. You all may not like it but he has plenty local and regional bona fides. he has been in the Caribbean for more than 20 years.

But, WW and team will have to make the assessment on who the next coach will be. We don't know the intricacies of DL contract with TTFA/Concacaf/FIFA. In my honest opinion I don't see any local coach that I will feel comfortable with at this time. Angus might be the only one. He is young and vibrant. He probably has  a "football head". But that head is coaching schools boys. Coach "independent" adults is a different thing.

If TTFA decide to go foreign, what will they want him to do? Just coach the team for the next GC, and/or also do some serious developmental with the U-17s, U-19s, U-23s. Will they want him to do technical duties or hire a separate coach. Most of the coaches I see allyuh mentioned will only be in TT for carnival or a weekend in Tobago. We have gotten some good foreign coaches before. And we have been burnt by some foreign coaches. I really don't know of any foreign I can confidently say, "pick he". So that is my 2 cent.

Agree with most of what you say - Vranes' CV doesn't sparkle and blind, but it does show a steady pair of hands, knows the Caribbean well, and trusts in youth (he was head of youth development at Central for a bit too). This is probably why he keeps coming up, and given his CV he won't be too expensive. Agree that Angus looks interesting and has a decent track record, although something sticks in the back of my mind (not near my database so can't say). Ross Russel Sr. had a decent record at club level and is currently goalkeeping coach, but would be a significant step up and his last managing job was North East Stars (where he won the league).

I agree we shouldn't go foreign - doesn't make sense unless we get through anotehr generation that might be worth the extra outlay for a more qualified and experienced candidate.

So letís put this forward,

Who do you think will perform better and why?

Vranes with a full staff

Hart with a full staff (optimal)

Fenwick with a full staff (realistic)

Nakhid with a full staff (If hes interested)



Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: ffisback on November 29, 2019, 12:59:43 PM
I think winning any competition in football is generally difficult. I understand why you might think that SSFL and the like don't prepare the same, but are we going to get someone who has won a top-tier professional league? It'd be interesting to find out exactly what competitions any of our NT managers have ever won?

Vranes seems to be competent at whatever he puts his hand to in T&T football - he did well at Central in his many roles and did well for the NT.


I don't think Vranes is the right man for the job. I don't know which team he coaches. Maybe QPCC?  I just don't know. I saw him with the TT team in Richmond. They were preparing for that same Shell cup in JA. The played  the US B team and loss 1-0. They had a small reception for them and he spoke very briefly. He appeared to be a soft spoken guy. Did not know how to asses him. But then a week later, to my surprise I read that they won the cup. But it appears like one minutes he is JW good books, next min. he is out. I think he coached St. Vincent, and probably Antigua and Grenada. I am not really sure. Then he dabble with almost every pro-league club in TT. You all may not like it but he has plenty local and regional bona fides. he has been in the Caribbean for more than 20 years.

But, WW and team will have to make the assessment on who the next coach will be. We don't know the intricacies of DL contract with TTFA/Concacaf/FIFA. In my honest opinion I don't see any local coach that I will feel comfortable with at this time. Angus might be the only one. He is young and vibrant. He probably has  a "football head". But that head is coaching schools boys. Coach "independent" adults is a different thing.

If TTFA decide to go foreign, what will they want him to do? Just coach the team for the next GC, and/or also do some serious developmental with the U-17s, U-19s, U-23s. Will they want him to do technical duties or hire a separate coach. Most of the coaches I see allyuh mentioned will only be in TT for carnival or a weekend in Tobago. We have gotten some good foreign coaches before. And we have been burnt by some foreign coaches. I really don't know of any foreign I can confidently say, "pick he". So that is my 2 cent.
I was at a game in Richmond VA were TT loss 1-0 to a U S A Olympic team back 1995 while I was disappointed I realize that Z Vanes uses friendly's to look at players I don't see Z Vanes as a long term solution for TT football but short term he can help. TT does not have the money to pay a big name coach that people here pushing for so they have to get a coach that is willing to work with them .

DL should not be allowed to coach another game its a waist of time he is doing the same thing SH did TT needs a coach who is going to give players like J Garcia M W Ling M P Angeron K Julien C Benny  etc international games so they can develop there games so they can get a chance to go and play in much better leagues or else they go end up playing in leagues like I league USL and CPL Z Vanes is the 1 that gave players like A Dwarika E Wise S John and A Elcock there break so he will give these young guys there break they need to get to the 2022 playoff game so they can be ready for 2026.

Youíre a fool, Hart and DL are not in the same category, Hart took us to one of our best rankings in history and was sabotaged... DL was not sabotaged, he went along with the sabotage

Stop talking that nonsense on here like people dumb enough to go along with those lies
SH sabotaged he own self when he came down to TT and try to play that same old backward English football that they play in Canada.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: Controversial on November 29, 2019, 01:48:13 PM
I think winning any competition in football is generally difficult. I understand why you might think that SSFL and the like don't prepare the same, but are we going to get someone who has won a top-tier professional league? It'd be interesting to find out exactly what competitions any of our NT managers have ever won?

Vranes seems to be competent at whatever he puts his hand to in T&T football - he did well at Central in his many roles and did well for the NT.


I don't think Vranes is the right man for the job. I don't know which team he coaches. Maybe QPCC?  I just don't know. I saw him with the TT team in Richmond. They were preparing for that same Shell cup in JA. The played  the US B team and loss 1-0. They had a small reception for them and he spoke very briefly. He appeared to be a soft spoken guy. Did not know how to asses him. But then a week later, to my surprise I read that they won the cup. But it appears like one minutes he is JW good books, next min. he is out. I think he coached St. Vincent, and probably Antigua and Grenada. I am not really sure. Then he dabble with almost every pro-league club in TT. You all may not like it but he has plenty local and regional bona fides. he has been in the Caribbean for more than 20 years.

But, WW and team will have to make the assessment on who the next coach will be. We don't know the intricacies of DL contract with TTFA/Concacaf/FIFA. In my honest opinion I don't see any local coach that I will feel comfortable with at this time. Angus might be the only one. He is young and vibrant. He probably has  a "football head". But that head is coaching schools boys. Coach "independent" adults is a different thing.

If TTFA decide to go foreign, what will they want him to do? Just coach the team for the next GC, and/or also do some serious developmental with the U-17s, U-19s, U-23s. Will they want him to do technical duties or hire a separate coach. Most of the coaches I see allyuh mentioned will only be in TT for carnival or a weekend in Tobago. We have gotten some good foreign coaches before. And we have been burnt by some foreign coaches. I really don't know of any foreign I can confidently say, "pick he". So that is my 2 cent.
I was at a game in Richmond VA were TT loss 1-0 to a U S A Olympic team back 1995 while I was disappointed I realize that Z Vanes uses friendly's to look at players I don't see Z Vanes as a long term solution for TT football but short term he can help. TT does not have the money to pay a big name coach that people here pushing for so they have to get a coach that is willing to work with them .

DL should not be allowed to coach another game its a waist of time he is doing the same thing SH did TT needs a coach who is going to give players like J Garcia M W Ling M P Angeron K Julien C Benny  etc international games so they can develop there games so they can get a chance to go and play in much better leagues or else they go end up playing in leagues like I league USL and CPL Z Vanes is the 1 that gave players like A Dwarika E Wise S John and A Elcock there break so he will give these young guys there break they need to get to the 2022 playoff game so they can be ready for 2026.

Youíre a fool, Hart and DL are not in the same category, Hart took us to one of our best rankings in history and was sabotaged... DL was not sabotaged, he went along with the sabotage

Stop talking that nonsense on here like people dumb enough to go along with those lies
SH sabotaged he own self when he came down to TT and try to play that same old backward English football that they play in Canada.

Your daddy the dictator sabotaged him and gave that sell out DL a lot of support in the beginning... what football you think youíre boy DL was playing?

Hart was playing a mix of styles tbh as Beenie pointed out, he was ultra ambitious with his style of play

Gtfoh with that nonsense youíre talking
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: ffisback on November 29, 2019, 02:20:50 PM
I think winning any competition in football is generally difficult. I understand why you might think that SSFL and the like don't prepare the same, but are we going to get someone who has won a top-tier professional league? It'd be interesting to find out exactly what competitions any of our NT managers have ever won?

Vranes seems to be competent at whatever he puts his hand to in T&T football - he did well at Central in his many roles and did well for the NT.


I don't think Vranes is the right man for the job. I don't know which team he coaches. Maybe QPCC?  I just don't know. I saw him with the TT team in Richmond. They were preparing for that same Shell cup in JA. The played  the US B team and loss 1-0. They had a small reception for them and he spoke very briefly. He appeared to be a soft spoken guy. Did not know how to asses him. But then a week later, to my surprise I read that they won the cup. But it appears like one minutes he is JW good books, next min. he is out. I think he coached St. Vincent, and probably Antigua and Grenada. I am not really sure. Then he dabble with almost every pro-league club in TT. You all may not like it but he has plenty local and regional bona fides. he has been in the Caribbean for more than 20 years.

But, WW and team will have to make the assessment on who the next coach will be. We don't know the intricacies of DL contract with TTFA/Concacaf/FIFA. In my honest opinion I don't see any local coach that I will feel comfortable with at this time. Angus might be the only one. He is young and vibrant. He probably has  a "football head". But that head is coaching schools boys. Coach "independent" adults is a different thing.

If TTFA decide to go foreign, what will they want him to do? Just coach the team for the next GC, and/or also do some serious developmental with the U-17s, U-19s, U-23s. Will they want him to do technical duties or hire a separate coach. Most of the coaches I see allyuh mentioned will only be in TT for carnival or a weekend in Tobago. We have gotten some good foreign coaches before. And we have been burnt by some foreign coaches. I really don't know of any foreign I can confidently say, "pick he". So that is my 2 cent.
I was at a game in Richmond VA were TT loss 1-0 to a U S A Olympic team back 1995 while I was disappointed I realize that Z Vanes uses friendly's to look at players I don't see Z Vanes as a long term solution for TT football but short term he can help. TT does not have the money to pay a big name coach that people here pushing for so they have to get a coach that is willing to work with them .

DL should not be allowed to coach another game its a waist of time he is doing the same thing SH did TT needs a coach who is going to give players like J Garcia M W Ling M P Angeron K Julien C Benny  etc international games so they can develop there games so they can get a chance to go and play in much better leagues or else they go end up playing in leagues like I league USL and CPL Z Vanes is the 1 that gave players like A Dwarika E Wise S John and A Elcock there break so he will give these young guys there break they need to get to the 2022 playoff game so they can be ready for 2026.

Youíre a fool, Hart and DL are not in the same category, Hart took us to one of our best rankings in history and was sabotaged... DL was not sabotaged, he went along with the sabotage

Stop talking that nonsense on here like people dumb enough to go along with those lies
SH sabotaged he own self when he came down to TT and try to play that same old backward English football that they play in Canada.

Your daddy the dictator sabotaged him and gave that sell out DL a lot of support in the beginning... what football you think youíre boy DL was playing?

Hart was playing a mix of styles tbh as Beenie pointed out, he was ultra ambitious with his style of play

Gtfoh with that nonsense youíre talking
Both DL and SH does play English football DL look better when he had them English men on his technical staff but once they left it was all downhill both of them is just not good enough to coach at the international level.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: Tiresais on November 29, 2019, 03:16:37 PM
I think winning any competition in football is generally difficult. I understand why you might think that SSFL and the like don't prepare the same, but are we going to get someone who has won a top-tier professional league? It'd be interesting to find out exactly what competitions any of our NT managers have ever won?

Vranes seems to be competent at whatever he puts his hand to in T&T football - he did well at Central in his many roles and did well for the NT.


I don't think Vranes is the right man for the job. I don't know which team he coaches. Maybe QPCC?  I just don't know. I saw him with the TT team in Richmond. They were preparing for that same Shell cup in JA. The played  the US B team and loss 1-0. They had a small reception for them and he spoke very briefly. He appeared to be a soft spoken guy. Did not know how to asses him. But then a week later, to my surprise I read that they won the cup. But it appears like one minutes he is JW good books, next min. he is out. I think he coached St. Vincent, and probably Antigua and Grenada. I am not really sure. Then he dabble with almost every pro-league club in TT. You all may not like it but he has plenty local and regional bona fides. he has been in the Caribbean for more than 20 years.

But, WW and team will have to make the assessment on who the next coach will be. We don't know the intricacies of DL contract with TTFA/Concacaf/FIFA. In my honest opinion I don't see any local coach that I will feel comfortable with at this time. Angus might be the only one. He is young and vibrant. He probably has  a "football head". But that head is coaching schools boys. Coach "independent" adults is a different thing.

If TTFA decide to go foreign, what will they want him to do? Just coach the team for the next GC, and/or also do some serious developmental with the U-17s, U-19s, U-23s. Will they want him to do technical duties or hire a separate coach. Most of the coaches I see allyuh mentioned will only be in TT for carnival or a weekend in Tobago. We have gotten some good foreign coaches before. And we have been burnt by some foreign coaches. I really don't know of any foreign I can confidently say, "pick he". So that is my 2 cent.

Agree with most of what you say - Vranes' CV doesn't sparkle and blind, but it does show a steady pair of hands, knows the Caribbean well, and trusts in youth (he was head of youth development at Central for a bit too). This is probably why he keeps coming up, and given his CV he won't be too expensive. Agree that Angus looks interesting and has a decent track record, although something sticks in the back of my mind (not near my database so can't say). Ross Russel Sr. had a decent record at club level and is currently goalkeeping coach, but would be a significant step up and his last managing job was North East Stars (where he won the league).

I agree we shouldn't go foreign - doesn't make sense unless we get through anotehr generation that might be worth the extra outlay for a more qualified and experienced candidate.

So letís put this forward,

Who do you think will perform better and why?

Vranes with a full staff

Hart with a full staff (optimal)

Fenwick with a full staff (realistic)

Nakhid with a full staff (If hes interested)

SH with a full staff theoretically, but it depends if coming back is good or bad for the team. I wonder if him setting up a home away from home in Halifax is in fact better for T&T than him managing.

I'd take Fenwick over Vranes maybe, but there's still question marks over the whole CS Visť debacle for me. There's no doubt he's one of the most talented coaches in T&T football, but if he picks a fight in the 3rd game in and gets a touchline ban, what good does that do us? No clue if Nakhid is good, isn't he doing youth coaching in the Levant?

If Vranes was significantly cheaper, I'd take him. I wonder though if he's better placed as U23 coach and trying to bring through that next generation for Fenwick to build a team from.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: Controversial on November 29, 2019, 10:07:38 PM
I think winning any competition in football is generally difficult. I understand why you might think that SSFL and the like don't prepare the same, but are we going to get someone who has won a top-tier professional league? It'd be interesting to find out exactly what competitions any of our NT managers have ever won?

Vranes seems to be competent at whatever he puts his hand to in T&T football - he did well at Central in his many roles and did well for the NT.


I don't think Vranes is the right man for the job. I don't know which team he coaches. Maybe QPCC?  I just don't know. I saw him with the TT team in Richmond. They were preparing for that same Shell cup in JA. The played  the US B team and loss 1-0. They had a small reception for them and he spoke very briefly. He appeared to be a soft spoken guy. Did not know how to asses him. But then a week later, to my surprise I read that they won the cup. But it appears like one minutes he is JW good books, next min. he is out. I think he coached St. Vincent, and probably Antigua and Grenada. I am not really sure. Then he dabble with almost every pro-league club in TT. You all may not like it but he has plenty local and regional bona fides. he has been in the Caribbean for more than 20 years.

But, WW and team will have to make the assessment on who the next coach will be. We don't know the intricacies of DL contract with TTFA/Concacaf/FIFA. In my honest opinion I don't see any local coach that I will feel comfortable with at this time. Angus might be the only one. He is young and vibrant. He probably has  a "football head". But that head is coaching schools boys. Coach "independent" adults is a different thing.

If TTFA decide to go foreign, what will they want him to do? Just coach the team for the next GC, and/or also do some serious developmental with the U-17s, U-19s, U-23s. Will they want him to do technical duties or hire a separate coach. Most of the coaches I see allyuh mentioned will only be in TT for carnival or a weekend in Tobago. We have gotten some good foreign coaches before. And we have been burnt by some foreign coaches. I really don't know of any foreign I can confidently say, "pick he". So that is my 2 cent.
I was at a game in Richmond VA were TT loss 1-0 to a U S A Olympic team back 1995 while I was disappointed I realize that Z Vanes uses friendly's to look at players I don't see Z Vanes as a long term solution for TT football but short term he can help. TT does not have the money to pay a big name coach that people here pushing for so they have to get a coach that is willing to work with them .

DL should not be allowed to coach another game its a waist of time he is doing the same thing SH did TT needs a coach who is going to give players like J Garcia M W Ling M P Angeron K Julien C Benny  etc international games so they can develop there games so they can get a chance to go and play in much better leagues or else they go end up playing in leagues like I league USL and CPL Z Vanes is the 1 that gave players like A Dwarika E Wise S John and A Elcock there break so he will give these young guys there break they need to get to the 2022 playoff game so they can be ready for 2026.

Youíre a fool, Hart and DL are not in the same category, Hart took us to one of our best rankings in history and was sabotaged... DL was not sabotaged, he went along with the sabotage

Stop talking that nonsense on here like people dumb enough to go along with those lies
SH sabotaged he own self when he came down to TT and try to play that same old backward English football that they play in Canada.

Your daddy the dictator sabotaged him and gave that sell out DL a lot of support in the beginning... what football you think youíre boy DL was playing?

Hart was playing a mix of styles tbh as Beenie pointed out, he was ultra ambitious with his style of play

Gtfoh with that nonsense youíre talking
Both DL and SH does play English football DL look better when he had them English men on his technical staff but once they left it was all downhill both of them is just not good enough to coach at the international level.

Hart watches la liga etc wth are going with this only English ball he watches, youíre making things up as you go along, TT played attacking football, not that bs DL was playing
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: soccerman on November 30, 2019, 09:36:16 AM
SH sabotaged he own self when he came down to TT and try to play that same old backward English football that they play in Canada.
Hart did not implement an English brand with T&T, that's not his philosophy. Even with KJ as the forward we didn't play an English brand.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: Controversial on December 01, 2019, 01:08:43 AM
SH sabotaged he own self when he came down to TT and try to play that same old backward English football that they play in Canada.
Hart did not implement an English brand with T&T, that's not his philosophy. Even with KJ as the forward we didn't play an English brand.

Exactly  :beermug:
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: ffisback on December 01, 2019, 01:12:09 AM
I think winning any competition in football is generally difficult. I understand why you might think that SSFL and the like don't prepare the same, but are we going to get someone who has won a top-tier professional league? It'd be interesting to find out exactly what competitions any of our NT managers have ever won?

Vranes seems to be competent at whatever he puts his hand to in T&T football - he did well at Central in his many roles and did well for the NT.


I don't think Vranes is the right man for the job. I don't know which team he coaches. Maybe QPCC?  I just don't know. I saw him with the TT team in Richmond. They were preparing for that same Shell cup in JA. The played  the US B team and loss 1-0. They had a small reception for them and he spoke very briefly. He appeared to be a soft spoken guy. Did not know how to asses him. But then a week later, to my surprise I read that they won the cup. But it appears like one minutes he is JW good books, next min. he is out. I think he coached St. Vincent, and probably Antigua and Grenada. I am not really sure. Then he dabble with almost every pro-league club in TT. You all may not like it but he has plenty local and regional bona fides. he has been in the Caribbean for more than 20 years.

But, WW and team will have to make the assessment on who the next coach will be. We don't know the intricacies of DL contract with TTFA/Concacaf/FIFA. In my honest opinion I don't see any local coach that I will feel comfortable with at this time. Angus might be the only one. He is young and vibrant. He probably has  a "football head". But that head is coaching schools boys. Coach "independent" adults is a different thing.

If TTFA decide to go foreign, what will they want him to do? Just coach the team for the next GC, and/or also do some serious developmental with the U-17s, U-19s, U-23s. Will they want him to do technical duties or hire a separate coach. Most of the coaches I see allyuh mentioned will only be in TT for carnival or a weekend in Tobago. We have gotten some good foreign coaches before. And we have been burnt by some foreign coaches. I really don't know of any foreign I can confidently say, "pick he". So that is my 2 cent.
I was at a game in Richmond VA were TT loss 1-0 to a U S A Olympic team back 1995 while I was disappointed I realize that Z Vanes uses friendly's to look at players I don't see Z Vanes as a long term solution for TT football but short term he can help. TT does not have the money to pay a big name coach that people here pushing for so they have to get a coach that is willing to work with them .

DL should not be allowed to coach another game its a waist of time he is doing the same thing SH did TT needs a coach who is going to give players like J Garcia M W Ling M P Angeron K Julien C Benny  etc international games so they can develop there games so they can get a chance to go and play in much better leagues or else they go end up playing in leagues like I league USL and CPL Z Vanes is the 1 that gave players like A Dwarika E Wise S John and A Elcock there break so he will give these young guys there break they need to get to the 2022 playoff game so they can be ready for 2026.

Youíre a fool, Hart and DL are not in the same category, Hart took us to one of our best rankings in history and was sabotaged... DL was not sabotaged, he went along with the sabotage

Stop talking that nonsense on here like people dumb enough to go along with those lies
SH sabotaged he own self when he came down to TT and try to play that same old backward English football that they play in Canada.

Your daddy the dictator sabotaged him and gave that sell out DL a lot of support in the beginning... what football you think youíre boy DL was playing?

Hart was playing a mix of styles tbh as Beenie pointed out, he was ultra ambitious with his style of play

Gtfoh with that nonsense youíre talking
Both DL and SH does play English football DL look better when he had them English men on his technical staff but once they left it was all downhill both of them is just not good enough to coach at the international level.

Hart watches la liga etc wth are going with this only English ball he watches, youíre making things up as you go along, TT played attacking football, not that bs DL was playing
Dude watching la liga is not going to make somebody all of a sudden start to play good football like they play in  la liga that's something you have to train for you spending to much time with that  sensimania girl the reality is TT football system was built from English football Canadian football were SH was trained was built from  English football so you see the apple didn't fall far from the three.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: Controversial on December 01, 2019, 01:16:26 AM
I think winning any competition in football is generally difficult. I understand why you might think that SSFL and the like don't prepare the same, but are we going to get someone who has won a top-tier professional league? It'd be interesting to find out exactly what competitions any of our NT managers have ever won?

Vranes seems to be competent at whatever he puts his hand to in T&T football - he did well at Central in his many roles and did well for the NT.


I don't think Vranes is the right man for the job. I don't know which team he coaches. Maybe QPCC?  I just don't know. I saw him with the TT team in Richmond. They were preparing for that same Shell cup in JA. The played  the US B team and loss 1-0. They had a small reception for them and he spoke very briefly. He appeared to be a soft spoken guy. Did not know how to asses him. But then a week later, to my surprise I read that they won the cup. But it appears like one minutes he is JW good books, next min. he is out. I think he coached St. Vincent, and probably Antigua and Grenada. I am not really sure. Then he dabble with almost every pro-league club in TT. You all may not like it but he has plenty local and regional bona fides. he has been in the Caribbean for more than 20 years.

But, WW and team will have to make the assessment on who the next coach will be. We don't know the intricacies of DL contract with TTFA/Concacaf/FIFA. In my honest opinion I don't see any local coach that I will feel comfortable with at this time. Angus might be the only one. He is young and vibrant. He probably has  a "football head". But that head is coaching schools boys. Coach "independent" adults is a different thing.

If TTFA decide to go foreign, what will they want him to do? Just coach the team for the next GC, and/or also do some serious developmental with the U-17s, U-19s, U-23s. Will they want him to do technical duties or hire a separate coach. Most of the coaches I see allyuh mentioned will only be in TT for carnival or a weekend in Tobago. We have gotten some good foreign coaches before. And we have been burnt by some foreign coaches. I really don't know of any foreign I can confidently say, "pick he". So that is my 2 cent.
I was at a game in Richmond VA were TT loss 1-0 to a U S A Olympic team back 1995 while I was disappointed I realize that Z Vanes uses friendly's to look at players I don't see Z Vanes as a long term solution for TT football but short term he can help. TT does not have the money to pay a big name coach that people here pushing for so they have to get a coach that is willing to work with them .

DL should not be allowed to coach another game its a waist of time he is doing the same thing SH did TT needs a coach who is going to give players like J Garcia M W Ling M P Angeron K Julien C Benny  etc international games so they can develop there games so they can get a chance to go and play in much better leagues or else they go end up playing in leagues like I league USL and CPL Z Vanes is the 1 that gave players like A Dwarika E Wise S John and A Elcock there break so he will give these young guys there break they need to get to the 2022 playoff game so they can be ready for 2026.

Youíre a fool, Hart and DL are not in the same category, Hart took us to one of our best rankings in history and was sabotaged... DL was not sabotaged, he went along with the sabotage

Stop talking that nonsense on here like people dumb enough to go along with those lies
SH sabotaged he own self when he came down to TT and try to play that same old backward English football that they play in Canada.

Your daddy the dictator sabotaged him and gave that sell out DL a lot of support in the beginning... what football you think youíre boy DL was playing?

Hart was playing a mix of styles tbh as Beenie pointed out, he was ultra ambitious with his style of play

Gtfoh with that nonsense youíre talking
Both DL and SH does play English football DL look better when he had them English men on his technical staff but once they left it was all downhill both of them is just not good enough to coach at the international level.

Hart watches la liga etc wth are going with this only English ball he watches, youíre making things up as you go along, TT played attacking football, not that bs DL was playing
Dude watching la liga is not going to make somebody all of a sudden start to play good football like they play in  la liga that's something you have to train for you spending to much time with that  sensimania girl the reality is TT football system was built from English football Canadian football were SH was trained was built from  English football so you see the apple didn't fall far from the three.

You donít know the man and what you were seeing wasnít typical English football ... so no one knows wth youíre talking about

Youíre jealous, saw the same thing with others like corneal etc
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: ffisback on December 01, 2019, 03:05:10 AM
I think winning any competition in football is generally difficult. I understand why you might think that SSFL and the like don't prepare the same, but are we going to get someone who has won a top-tier professional league? It'd be interesting to find out exactly what competitions any of our NT managers have ever won?

Vranes seems to be competent at whatever he puts his hand to in T&T football - he did well at Central in his many roles and did well for the NT.


I don't think Vranes is the right man for the job. I don't know which team he coaches. Maybe QPCC?  I just don't know. I saw him with the TT team in Richmond. They were preparing for that same Shell cup in JA. The played  the US B team and loss 1-0. They had a small reception for them and he spoke very briefly. He appeared to be a soft spoken guy. Did not know how to asses him. But then a week later, to my surprise I read that they won the cup. But it appears like one minutes he is JW good books, next min. he is out. I think he coached St. Vincent, and probably Antigua and Grenada. I am not really sure. Then he dabble with almost every pro-league club in TT. You all may not like it but he has plenty local and regional bona fides. he has been in the Caribbean for more than 20 years.

But, WW and team will have to make the assessment on who the next coach will be. We don't know the intricacies of DL contract with TTFA/Concacaf/FIFA. In my honest opinion I don't see any local coach that I will feel comfortable with at this time. Angus might be the only one. He is young and vibrant. He probably has  a "football head". But that head is coaching schools boys. Coach "independent" adults is a different thing.

If TTFA decide to go foreign, what will they want him to do? Just coach the team for the next GC, and/or also do some serious developmental with the U-17s, U-19s, U-23s. Will they want him to do technical duties or hire a separate coach. Most of the coaches I see allyuh mentioned will only be in TT for carnival or a weekend in Tobago. We have gotten some good foreign coaches before. And we have been burnt by some foreign coaches. I really don't know of any foreign I can confidently say, "pick he". So that is my 2 cent.
I was at a game in Richmond VA were TT loss 1-0 to a U S A Olympic team back 1995 while I was disappointed I realize that Z Vanes uses friendly's to look at players I don't see Z Vanes as a long term solution for TT football but short term he can help. TT does not have the money to pay a big name coach that people here pushing for so they have to get a coach that is willing to work with them .

DL should not be allowed to coach another game its a waist of time he is doing the same thing SH did TT needs a coach who is going to give players like J Garcia M W Ling M P Angeron K Julien C Benny  etc international games so they can develop there games so they can get a chance to go and play in much better leagues or else they go end up playing in leagues like I league USL and CPL Z Vanes is the 1 that gave players like A Dwarika E Wise S John and A Elcock there break so he will give these young guys there break they need to get to the 2022 playoff game so they can be ready for 2026.

Youíre a fool, Hart and DL are not in the same category, Hart took us to one of our best rankings in history and was sabotaged... DL was not sabotaged, he went along with the sabotage

Stop talking that nonsense on here like people dumb enough to go along with those lies
SH sabotaged he own self when he came down to TT and try to play that same old backward English football that they play in Canada.

Your daddy the dictator sabotaged him and gave that sell out DL a lot of support in the beginning... what football you think youíre boy DL was playing?

Hart was playing a mix of styles tbh as Beenie pointed out, he was ultra ambitious with his style of play

Gtfoh with that nonsense youíre talking
Both DL and SH does play English football DL look better when he had them English men on his technical staff but once they left it was all downhill both of them is just not good enough to coach at the international level.

Hart watches la liga etc wth are going with this only English ball he watches, youíre making things up as you go along, TT played attacking football, not that bs DL was playing
Dude watching la liga is not going to make somebody all of a sudden start to play good football like they play in  la liga that's something you have to train for you spending to much time with that  sensimania girl the reality is TT football system was built from English football Canadian football were SH was trained was built from  English football so you see the apple didn't fall far from the three.

You donít know the man and what you were seeing wasnít typical English football ... so no one knows wth youíre talking about

Youíre jealous, saw the same thing with others like corneal etc
Dude even Stevie Wonder could see SH does play English football get over it.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: Tiresais on December 01, 2019, 04:02:14 AM
I'm English, he didn't play typical English football. Stereotypical English football is tough tackling, quick counter-attacking football, with a reliance on direct, quick play to the wings and typically the use of two strikers.

His play was slower, often used a single striker, and emphasised winning in midfield if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: pull stones on December 01, 2019, 04:08:32 AM
I'm English, he didn't play typical English football. Stereotypical English football is tough tackling, quick counter-attacking football, with a reliance on direct, quick play to the wings and typically the use of two strikers.

His play was slower, often used a single striker, and emphasised winning in midfield if I remember correctly.
you have time with that troll? ffisback is a town crier and nothing more.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: Deeks on December 01, 2019, 06:03:15 AM
Hart did not play the typical English style. It was a mixture. Tiresais is correct to a point. We did play that type of game, but not all the time. We were passing the ball around very good also. But Panama was one team that upset our rhythm in the GC. They "roughed up" our players and never let them get into their type of game. We should have won that game. Maybe the guys were mentally tired. I don't know.

But the final nail in the coffin for Steven was the lost to Haiti in Panama. That was the game to the Conmebol tournament. Our guys were not mentally into that game. We did not have KJ. But we should not have  mattered. Maybe Steven did not get his message accross to the guys, or they thought that they could have got by Haiti. I think the players underestimated Haiti. That lost pissed of JW. He wanted let go SH from the beginning. But that would have back fired. So the lost to Haiti was the right time.

I know why we lost the game. We were inactive for about 6 weeks between the GC and the game against Haiti. For a team like Trini, that is too long. Too much time for the players(especially the ones at home) not playing constant football. Hart should have gotten JW to arrange 2 games  for the locals to keep them in some kind of shape. But the gulf be DJW and SH was as wide as Paria. he was already hell bent on sacking Steven.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: asylumseeker on December 01, 2019, 07:32:27 AM
I'm English, he didn't play typical English football. Stereotypical English football is tough tackling, quick counter-attacking football, with a reliance on direct, quick play to the wings and typically the use of two strikers.

His play was slower, often used a single striker, and emphasised winning in midfield if I remember correctly.

'Twas definitely slower. ✔

Frequent use of a single striker. ✔

Less conclusive regarding the emphasis on winning the ball in the midfield, although there was probably some variance between the theoretical expectation and what actually happened.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: asylumseeker on December 01, 2019, 07:39:57 AM
I'm English, he didn't play typical English football. Stereotypical English football is tough tackling, quick counter-attacking football, with a reliance on direct, quick play to the wings and typically the use of two strikers.

His play was slower, often used a single striker, and emphasised winning in midfield if I remember correctly.


Add to this re: English traits ... an emphasis on the delivery of crosses and an under-reliance on deliberately generating/provoking deadball situations.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: 100% Barataria on December 01, 2019, 08:06:16 AM
Hart did not play the typical English style. It was a mixture. Tiresais is correct to a point. We did play that type of game, but not all the time. We were passing the ball around very good also. But Panama was one team that upset our rhythm in the GC. They "roughed up" our players and never let them get into their type of game. We should have won that game. Maybe the guys were mentally tired. I don't know.

But the final nail in the coffin for Steven was the lost to Haiti in Panama. That was the game to the Conmebol tournament. Our guys were not mentally into that game. We did not have KJ. But we should not have  mattered. Maybe Steven did not get his message accross to the guys, or they thought that they could have got by Haiti. I think the players underestimated Haiti. That lost pissed of JW. He wanted let go SH from the beginning. But that would have back fired. So the lost to Haiti was the right time.

I know why we lost the game. We were inactive for about 6 weeks between the GC and the game against Haiti. For a team like Trini, that is too long. Too much time for the players(especially the ones at home) not playing constant football. Hart should have gotten JW to arrange 2 games  for the locals to keep them in some kind of shape. But the gulf be DJW and SW was as wide as Paria. he was already hell bent on sacking Steven.

Spot on, the infiltration of the dressing room by DJW had started as well, sigh, I reminisce I reminisce
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: ffisback on December 01, 2019, 11:02:14 AM
I'm English, he didn't play typical English football. Stereotypical English football is tough tackling, quick counter-attacking football, with a reliance on direct, quick play to the wings and typically the use of two strikers.

His play was slower, often used a single striker, and emphasised winning in midfield if I remember correctly.
Playing slower or with 1 striker doesn't change the fact that he was still playing English football it maybe a broken down version but it is still the same crap.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: asylumseeker on December 01, 2019, 11:09:51 AM
I'm English, he didn't play typical English football. Stereotypical English football is tough tackling, quick counter-attacking football, with a reliance on direct, quick play to the wings and typically the use of two strikers.

His play was slower, often used a single striker, and emphasised winning in midfield if I remember correctly.
Playing slower or with 1 striker doesn't change the fact that he was still playing English football it maybe a broken down version but it is still the same crap.

Ok, so Vranes it is. Who should be on his technical staff? And could you use the forum graphics to give us a sense of what a Vranes XI would look like in 4-4-2? Pick de players that will deliver us from pestilence.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: ffisback on December 01, 2019, 11:18:55 AM
Hart did not play the typical English style. It was a mixture. Tiresais is correct to a point. We did play that type of game, but not all the time. We were passing the ball around very good also. But Panama was one team that upset our rhythm in the GC. They "roughed up" our players and never let them get into their type of game. We should have won that game. Maybe the guys were mentally tired. I don't know.

But the final nail in the coffin for Steven was the lost to Haiti in Panama. That was the game to the Conmebol tournament. Our guys were not mentally into that game. We did not have KJ. But we should not have  mattered. Maybe Steven did not get his message accross to the guys, or they thought that they could have got by Haiti. I think the players underestimated Haiti. That lost pissed of JW. He wanted let go SH from the beginning. But that would have back fired. So the lost to Haiti was the right time.

I know why we lost the game. We were inactive for about 6 weeks between the GC and the game against Haiti. For a team like Trini, that is too long. Too much time for the players(especially the ones at home) not playing constant football. Hart should have gotten JW to arrange 2 games  for the locals to keep them in some kind of shape. But the gulf be DJW and SW was as wide as Paria. he was already hell bent on sacking Steven.
SH had turn TT into a set play team TT had become like Gareth Southgate team in England our attack had become predictable .
SH had lost all the important games that he played the problem was DJW waited to long to fire him.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: pull stones on December 01, 2019, 12:10:10 PM
I'm English, he didn't play typical English football. Stereotypical English football is tough tackling, quick counter-attacking football, with a reliance on direct, quick play to the wings and typically the use of two strikers.

His play was slower, often used a single striker, and emphasised winning in midfield if I remember correctly.
Playing slower or with 1 striker doesn't change the fact that he was still playing English football it maybe a broken down version but it is still the same crap.

Ok, so Vranes it is. Who should be on his technical staff? And could you use the forum graphics to give us a sense of what a Vranes XI would look like in 4-4-2? Pick de players that will deliver us from pestilence.
this is why I donít contend with this troll. you just presented a very progressive argument yet he responds to a frugal errant discussion that has no depth. who cares what brand hart played heís gone, the question is what does vranes bring to the table that warrant him a second look? now watch how this troll dances around the issue. my word some people are like flies, their only purpose in life is to bug the hell out of others.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: asylumseeker on December 01, 2019, 01:04:41 PM
Come ffisback, give us something to work with. You already called some names. Flesh out an XI and a bench.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: pull stones on December 01, 2019, 01:20:09 PM
Come ffisback, give us something to work with. You already called some names. Flesh out an XI and a bench.
he canít and he wonít, and if he does try a thing it would lack substance as he always does, and why would anything he propose have substance when his only reason for being here is to provoke responses?
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: Deeks on December 01, 2019, 07:28:27 PM
We have dissected Steve Hart's ability to the nth degree, and to be honest most or all of us have never spent a day with the man.  So I accidentally bounce up a video of him in the national team's preparation for the game against Mex. in Utah a couple years ago. That game had me believing that we were about to turn the proverbial corner unto the straight road of success. Not knowing the entire straight road would be full of potholes until the very end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMpN4gPUo58
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: Controversial on December 02, 2019, 03:23:40 AM
Hart did not play the typical English style. It was a mixture. Tiresais is correct to a point. We did play that type of game, but not all the time. We were passing the ball around very good also. But Panama was one team that upset our rhythm in the GC. They "roughed up" our players and never let them get into their type of game. We should have won that game. Maybe the guys were mentally tired. I don't know.

But the final nail in the coffin for Steven was the lost to Haiti in Panama. That was the game to the Conmebol tournament. Our guys were not mentally into that game. We did not have KJ. But we should not have  mattered. Maybe Steven did not get his message accross to the guys, or they thought that they could have got by Haiti. I think the players underestimated Haiti. That lost pissed of JW. He wanted let go SH from the beginning. But that would have back fired. So the lost to Haiti was the right time.

I know why we lost the game. We were inactive for about 6 weeks between the GC and the game against Haiti. For a team like Trini, that is too long. Too much time for the players(especially the ones at home) not playing constant football. Hart should have gotten JW to arrange 2 games  for the locals to keep them in some kind of shape. But the gulf be DJW and SH was as wide as Paria. he was already hell bent on sacking Steven.

Cummings got shot and that put a bad damper on the team as well, Djw also started the sabotage and meddling, in addition to inactivity, number of factors went into that, Djw started whispering in players ears as well

Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: Controversial on December 02, 2019, 03:36:10 AM
We have dissected Steve Hart's ability to the nth degree, and to be honest most or all of us have never spent a day with the man.  So I accidentally bounce up a video of him in the national team's preparation for the game against Mex. in Utah a couple years ago. That game had me believing that we were about to turn the proverbial corner unto the straight road of success. Not knowing the entire straight road would be full of potholes until the very end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMpN4gPUo58

They sent in Djw the sell out to sabotage us, couldnít have a strong TT team bc that would mean a guaranteed spot and elite teams in the region wouldnít enjoy that

So sabotage them and get rid of Hart ....

People donít understand how political it is and based on betting etc
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: Tiresais on December 02, 2019, 03:53:26 AM
I'm English, he didn't play typical English football. Stereotypical English football is tough tackling, quick counter-attacking football, with a reliance on direct, quick play to the wings and typically the use of two strikers.

His play was slower, often used a single striker, and emphasised winning in midfield if I remember correctly.
Playing slower or with 1 striker doesn't change the fact that he was still playing English football it maybe a broken down version but it is still the same crap.

"Not playing English football doesn't change the fact he was still playing English Football"
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: Deeks on December 02, 2019, 04:20:03 AM
We have dissected Steve Hart's ability to the nth degree, and to be honest most or all of us have never spent a day with the man.  So I accidentally bounce up a video of him in the national team's preparation for the game against Mex. in Utah a couple years ago. That game had me believing that we were about to turn the proverbial corner unto the straight road of success. Not knowing the entire straight road would be full of potholes until the very end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMpN4gPUo58

They sent in Djw the sell out to sabotage us, couldnít have a strong TT team bc that would mean a guaranteed spot and elite teams in the region

So sabotage them and get rid of Hart ....

People donít understand who political it is and based on betting etc

Breds, we have argued about this conspiracy thing, sometimes vehemently. The way things worked out, it has made you appeared to be an f-----g genius. Makes  me want to nominated you for both the Nobel and IgNobel prizes for conspiracy theories. But again, i eh fallin for those theories. Because as they say "God is Trini",  and We all know a Trini man can't be that stupid. Right forum ? !!??
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: Controversial on December 02, 2019, 04:32:53 AM
We have dissected Steve Hart's ability to the nth degree, and to be honest most or all of us have never spent a day with the man.  So I accidentally bounce up a video of him in the national team's preparation for the game against Mex. in Utah a couple years ago. That game had me believing that we were about to turn the proverbial corner unto the straight road of success. Not knowing the entire straight road would be full of potholes until the very end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMpN4gPUo58

They sent in Djw the sell out to sabotage us, couldnít have a strong TT team bc that would mean a guaranteed spot and elite teams in the region

So sabotage them and get rid of Hart ....

People donít understand who political it is and based on betting etc

Breds, we have argued about this conspiracy thing, sometimes vehemently. The way things worked out, it has made you appeared to be an f-----g genius. Makes  me want to nominated for both the Nobel and IgNobel prizes for conspiracy theories. But again, i eh fallin for those theories. Because as they say "God is Trini",  and We all know a Trini man can't be that stupid. Right forum ? !!??

Stay naive brother, i wonít, I know whatís going on in world football, most donít, they think itís all based on talent and the most talented win and progress... thatís an illusion, I donít buy into illusions, I use my god given iq and intelligence, which happens to be at genius level since I was tested in uni... donít need awards, just people to be awakened
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: Deeks on December 02, 2019, 04:41:06 AM
We have dissected Steve Hart's ability to the nth degree, and to be honest most or all of us have never spent a day with the man.  So I accidentally bounce up a video of him in the national team's preparation for the game against Mex. in Utah a couple years ago. That game had me believing that we were about to turn the proverbial corner unto the straight road of success. Not knowing the entire straight road would be full of potholes until the very end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMpN4gPUo58

They sent in Djw the sell out to sabotage us, couldnít have a strong TT team bc that would mean a guaranteed spot and elite teams in the region

So sabotage them and get rid of Hart ....

People donít understand who political it is and based on betting etc

Breds, we have argued about this conspiracy thing, sometimes vehemently. The way things worked out, it has made you appeared to be an f-----g genius. Makes  me want to nominated for both the Nobel and IgNobel prizes for conspiracy theories. But again, i eh fallin for those theories. Because as they say "God is Trini",  and We all know a Trini man can't be that stupid. Right forum ? !!??

Stay naive brother, i wonít, I know whatís going on in world football, most donít, they think itís all based on talent and the most talented win and progress... thatís an illusion, I donít buy into illusions, I use my god given iq and intelligence, which happens to be at genius level since I was tested in uni... donít need awards, just people to be awakened

You do realize when I say "We all know a Trini man can't be that stupid". I am also trying to be sarcastic.
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: FF on December 02, 2019, 08:53:16 AM
Very stable genius  ::)
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: sjahrain on December 02, 2019, 05:28:46 PM
Truth and honey doh spoil...mmmmm...  :rotfl: :rotfl:  :rotfl:
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: Controversial on December 02, 2019, 10:16:47 PM
Very stable genius  ::)

Who are you again? Refresh our memory the last time you said anything remotely insightful?  :flamethrower:
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: pull stones on December 03, 2019, 07:04:08 AM
Very stable genius  ::)
does his first name happened to be leo by chance, as in leo marvin?
Title: Re: The Dictator has bid adieu, who will be our coach and whatís the shortlist?
Post by: Controversial on December 15, 2019, 05:47:30 PM
Like I said, everything will come to pass...