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Title: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Flex on August 19, 2020, 02:42:11 PM
As usual, any updates/scores, shout-outs, reports, predictions, views, etc, on the T&T vs Bahamas preliminary 2022 World Cup qualifying game in Bahamas on the 5th of June 2021 will be posted here, this way, we can maintain the message board and not make it look too scrappy with un-necessary or related headlines and postings on game day.

For the internet users, you can follow the game at:

To be updated.

Possible Online Streams.

To be updated.

Possible TV Station.

To be updated.

Trinidad & Tobago Squad

Goalkeepers:

To be updated.

Defenders:

To be updated.

Midfielders:

To be updated.

Forwards:

To be updated.

Coach - Terry Fenwick (ENG).

Bahamas Squad

Goalkeepers

To be updated.

Defenders

To be updated.

Midfielders

To be updated.

Forwards

To be updated.

Coach - To be updated.


Updates to follow as we get more info, so keep checking back.

Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on March 30, 2021, 07:33:01 PM
St. Kitts Nevis and Guyana have each dropped 4 on The Bahamas. Come June we doh want to hear NO nonsense regarding putting balls in the back of the net.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: frico on March 31, 2021, 11:12:40 AM
If we cyah drop 6 pon dem rass de we better forget the whole dyam ting.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Thomo on April 02, 2021, 08:05:02 AM
Doncaster Rovers played Charlton Athletic today and the game just finished. Both Ryan Inniss and John Bostock played the full 90 minutes. Charlton won 1-0
Inniss returned to the starting line up today for Charlton after almost 3 months out with an injury and the had been on a bad run while he was out.
Both teams played a 4-3-3 formation which is what TnT plays so they can fit in to the style TF is trying to play.
We damn well need a Centre back (Inniss) and a creative midfielder (Bostock).

Hopefully we can get them for the June game. Both clubs end their seasons on 8th May. So the TTFA, Terry, Sports Ministry, National Security, TT High Commission in UK all have ample time to talk, work out availability, passports, training schedules etc with them and other eligible players that we damn well need.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Deeks on April 02, 2021, 09:43:35 AM
Good luck with that!
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Thomo on April 02, 2021, 09:55:05 AM
Good luck with that!
😅😅 I can only hope and pray bruv 🙏🏾🙏🏾
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Tiresais on April 02, 2021, 11:29:12 AM
Doncaster Rovers played Charlton Athletic today and the game just finished. Both Ryan Inniss and John Bostock played the full 90 minutes. Charlton won 1-0
Inniss returned to the starting line up today for Charlton after almost 3 months out with an injury and the had been on a bad run while he was out.
Both teams played a 4-3-3 formation which is what TnT plays so they can fit in to the style TF is trying to play.
We damn well need a Centre back (Inniss) and a creative midfielder (Bostock).

Hopefully we can get them for the June game. Both clubs end their seasons on 8th May. So the TTFA, Terry, Sports Ministry, National Security, TT High Commission in UK all have ample time to talk, work out availability, passports, training schedules etc with them and other eligible players that we damn well need.

Hah check my forum logo - watched it myself and thought they'd both do a job in the Trini squad. I imagine Innis ain't interested due to his dad, but who knows....
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Trini _2026 on April 02, 2021, 11:37:16 AM
Doncaster Rovers played Charlton Athletic today and the game just finished. Both Ryan Inniss and John Bostock played the full 90 minutes. Charlton won 1-0
Inniss returned to the starting line up today for Charlton after almost 3 months out with an injury and the had been on a bad run while he was out.
Both teams played a 4-3-3 formation which is what TnT plays so they can fit in to the style TF is trying to play.
We damn well need a Centre back (Inniss) and a creative midfielder (Bostock).

Hopefully we can get them for the June game. Both clubs end their seasons on 8th May. So the TTFA, Terry, Sports Ministry, National Security, TT High Commission in UK all have ample time to talk, work out availability, passports, training schedules etc with them and other eligible players that we damn well need.

Hah check my forum logo - watched it myself and thought they'd both do a job in the Trini squad. I imagine Innis ain't interested due to his dad, but who knows....

Inniss is interested  .....
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Thomo on April 02, 2021, 02:22:15 PM
Doncaster Rovers played Charlton Athletic today and the game just finished. Both Ryan Inniss and John Bostock played the full 90 minutes. Charlton won 1-0
Inniss returned to the starting line up today for Charlton after almost 3 months out with an injury and the had been on a bad run while he was out.
Both teams played a 4-3-3 formation which is what TnT plays so they can fit in to the style TF is trying to play.
We damn well need a Centre back (Inniss) and a creative midfielder (Bostock).

Hopefully we can get them for the June game. Both clubs end their seasons on 8th May. So the TTFA, Terry, Sports Ministry, National Security, TT High Commission in UK all have ample time to talk, work out availability, passports, training schedules etc with them and other eligible players that we damn well need.

Hah check my forum logo - watched it myself and thought they'd both do a job in the Trini squad. I imagine Innis ain't interested due to his dad, but who knows....

Inniss is interested  .....
Yeah he said as much in that blog he wrote.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Thomo on April 02, 2021, 02:29:18 PM
Doncaster Rovers played Charlton Athletic today and the game just finished. Both Ryan Inniss and John Bostock played the full 90 minutes. Charlton won 1-0
Inniss returned to the starting line up today for Charlton after almost 3 months out with an injury and the had been on a bad run while he was out.
Both teams played a 4-3-3 formation which is what TnT plays so they can fit in to the style TF is trying to play.
We damn well need a Centre back (Inniss) and a creative midfielder (Bostock).

Hopefully we can get them for the June game. Both clubs end their seasons on 8th May. So the TTFA, Terry, Sports Ministry, National Security, TT High Commission in UK all have ample time to talk, work out availability, passports, training schedules etc with them and other eligible players that we damn well need.

Hah check my forum logo - watched it myself and thought they'd both do a job in the Trini squad. I imagine Innis ain't interested due to his dad, but who knows....
Yeah ah seeing you're a supporter.
Didn't see the game but caught the highlights.
He's a big lad man
Googled him and found out he's 6'5
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Tiresais on April 03, 2021, 12:03:09 AM
Doncaster Rovers played Charlton Athletic today and the game just finished. Both Ryan Inniss and John Bostock played the full 90 minutes. Charlton won 1-0
Inniss returned to the starting line up today for Charlton after almost 3 months out with an injury and the had been on a bad run while he was out.
Both teams played a 4-3-3 formation which is what TnT plays so they can fit in to the style TF is trying to play.
We damn well need a Centre back (Inniss) and a creative midfielder (Bostock).

Hopefully we can get them for the June game. Both clubs end their seasons on 8th May. So the TTFA, Terry, Sports Ministry, National Security, TT High Commission in UK all have ample time to talk, work out availability, passports, training schedules etc with them and other eligible players that we damn well need.

Hah check my forum logo - watched it myself and thought they'd both do a job in the Trini squad. I imagine Innis ain't interested due to his dad, but who knows....
Yeah ah seeing you're a supporter.
Didn't see the game but caught the highlights.
He's a big lad man
Googled him and found out he's 6'5

Yea he's a proper bruiser, traditional centre back.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Thomo on April 03, 2021, 03:20:46 AM
Doncaster Rovers played Charlton Athletic today and the game just finished. Both Ryan Inniss and John Bostock played the full 90 minutes. Charlton won 1-0
Inniss returned to the starting line up today for Charlton after almost 3 months out with an injury and the had been on a bad run while he was out.
Both teams played a 4-3-3 formation which is what TnT plays so they can fit in to the style TF is trying to play.
We damn well need a Centre back (Inniss) and a creative midfielder (Bostock).

Hopefully we can get them for the June game. Both clubs end their seasons on 8th May. So the TTFA, Terry, Sports Ministry, National Security, TT High Commission in UK all have ample time to talk, work out availability, passports, training schedules etc with them and other eligible players that we damn well need.

Hah check my forum logo - watched it myself and thought they'd both do a job in the Trini squad. I imagine Innis ain't interested due to his dad, but who knows....
Yeah ah seeing you're a supporter.
Didn't see the game but caught the highlights.
He's a big lad man
Googled him and found out he's 6'5

Yea he's a proper bruiser, traditional centre back.
A welcome addition I would say
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: pull stones on April 03, 2021, 06:25:44 AM
Why don’t you all stop annoying John bostock and nick de leon, can’t you see these fellers don’t want  anything to do with us? and honestly I don’t think that they would bring anything special to the squad, BTW who’s place are they going to take? I don’t believe bostock is better than what we have in the midfield and certainly not jovin, telfer or levi, as for de Leon, IMO he cannot replace molino no day of the week, so what do we need the for?

Leave these people alone, you all sound like you’re begging now. let work with what we have until better could be done.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on April 03, 2021, 06:47:29 AM
Why don’t you all stop annoying John bostock and nick de leon, can’t you see these fellers don’t want  anything to do with us? and honestly I don’t think that they would bring anything special to the squad, BTW who’s place are they going to take? I don’t believe bostock is better than what we have in the midfield and certainly not jovin, telfer or levi, as for de Leon, IMO he cannot replace molino no day of the week, so what do we need the for?

Leave these people alone, you all sound like you’re begging now. let work with what we have until better could be done.

Recruitment is about multiple conversations, showing interest, updating about changes, informing, insisting and convincing.

You sound like you are using Rowley's Theory of Vaccine Acquisition: do not beg. Who is begging?

Only one way of finding out definitively. That is to bring dem.

I don't care whose place they take. Show me the sacred cow.

It's also not necessarily about replacing a presumptive starter. It is prospectively about replacing a substitute.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: palos on April 03, 2021, 11:55:22 AM
T&T needs players like Bostock and DeLeon way more than those players need T&T

If it takes begging to get them to play for us......beg away

Ego and False pride get us nowhere
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Deeks on April 03, 2021, 12:31:13 PM
T&T needs players like Bostock and DeLeon way more than those players need T&T

If it takes begging to get them to play for us......beg away

Ego and False pride get us nowhere

What ego and false pride. Them men were practically shoe in for the team and for  whatever reasons, they refuse. Up to now I have not gotten satisfactory answers  as to Deleon and Bostock refusal when we came calling.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: palos on April 03, 2021, 12:41:49 PM
What ego and false pride. Them men were practically shoe in for the team and for  whatever reasons, they refuse. Up to now I have not gotten satisfactory answers  as to Deleon and Bostock refusal when we came calling.

From what I understood, Bostock had suited up for T&T, wore the jersey, traveled with the team to play in the tournament where Levi Garcia scored a double, and couldn’t play due to FIFA restrictions.

Not sure what occurred subsequently.

As for DeLeon, he wanted to play but the difficult lay at the time in his father’s refusal to go to Port Of Spain to sign the necessary documentation.

Again....not sure what has since transpired.

Asylumseeker is correct.  Recruitment is a process.  Some do it successfully.  Others don’t.

My original statement remains the same.  We need them far more than they need us.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Deeks on April 03, 2021, 05:42:33 PM
My original statement remains the same.  We need them far more than they need us.

See You in 2026!
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: pull stones on April 04, 2021, 01:13:28 AM
Why don’t you all stop annoying John bostock and nick de leon, can’t you see these fellers don’t want  anything to do with us? and honestly I don’t think that they would bring anything special to the squad, BTW who’s place are they going to take? I don’t believe bostock is better than what we have in the midfield and certainly not jovin, telfer or levi, as for de Leon, IMO he cannot replace molino no day of the week, so what do we need the for?

Leave these people alone, you all sound like you’re begging now. let work with what we have until better could be done.

Recruitment is about multiple conversations, showing interest, updating about changes, informing, insisting and convincing.

You sound like you are using Rowley's Theory of Vaccine Acquisition: do not beg. Who is begging?

Only one way of finding out definitively. That is to bring dem.

I don't care whose place they take. Show me the sacred cow.

It's also not necessarily about replacing a presumptive starter. It is prospectively about replacing a substitute.
I hope i'm not being rude mate, but the british recruitment process makes me a tad angry at times. you see these british born players are heavily indoctrinated to play for england at a very tender age. they sit and dream of the day that they would be capped if only for one game, and it's not until their hopes are dashed or it becomes apparent that they don't have the quality to be an england international do they ever consider a second option.

take for instance raheem sterling, that man came to england as a lad already knowing somewhere else, yet when the chance arrived he turned down the country of his birth to represent the lions....jamaic who? and it's the same with all of them.

they walk the streets talking all this jamaican patios and calling themselves yardie even though they've never been to the caribbean, but when it comes to football all that west indian crap goes out the window, it's only the african blokes who turn down england to play for their parents country.

 it boils my piss when blokes like bobby zamora and jay loyde who turned down an opportunity to go to a world cup and only because they thought england was a better option, and then we having to turn around and pacify them to join us, which makes me react in a negative way,

and even when bobby zamora had nothing else to play for he still refused to join us despite having a change of heart, the last being at fulham where clint dempsey convinced him that we were shit and he should never consider a call up from us, and not just him but hoyte and many other english lads who could have played for the parents country, but would only get on board when they are sure of not ever being capped for the three lions.

that is the only reason i said to forget these players and let them be, if they want to play for us then the door is open, their choice, but to go begging these 3rd division english brats is beneath us. i know as trinis we have way more pride than that, after all it's not only about football, it's about basic principles and dignity. 
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: ffisback on April 04, 2021, 01:13:57 AM
Any score less than 7 to 8 goals is a failure against the Bahamas.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: pull stones on April 04, 2021, 01:49:50 AM
Any score less than 7 to 8 goals is a failure against the Bahamas.
what about just winning the two matches left and keeping a clean sheet, wont that be better?

winning this match by 10 goals and losing to st kitts 1 nil proves what exactly?

it's so easy to lose prospective when inflated egos and false pride gets in the way.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on April 04, 2021, 03:39:35 AM
Any score less than 7 to 8 goals is a failure against the Bahamas.

Any how we end up scrapping with the Bahamas for anything but a comprehensive victory will be an indictment of the product ... even if 3 points are secured. Point blank. And that is the crux of the point made here. Agree. Unacceptable: a laboured 1-0 victory. Acceptable: a fluid and balanced performance that seals the deal without issue (for instance, conceding a goal).
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on April 04, 2021, 03:53:14 AM
Any score less than 7 to 8 goals is a failure against the Bahamas.
what about just winning the two matches left and keeping a clean sheet, wont that be better?

winning this match by 10 goals and losing to st kitts 1 nil proves what exactly?

it's so easy to lose prospective when inflated egos and false pride gets in the way.

Two separate matters. One match at a time. We are not going to lose to either opponent if we cater two XIs, each designed to rock the specific opponent in question. If the conviction is that we start the same players in both matches, post-match could be like Question Time in the House of Commons ... without parliamentary rules.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on April 04, 2021, 04:09:06 AM
Why don’t you all stop annoying John bostock and nick de leon, can’t you see these fellers don’t want  anything to do with us? and honestly I don’t think that they would bring anything special to the squad, BTW who’s place are they going to take? I don’t believe bostock is better than what we have in the midfield and certainly not jovin, telfer or levi, as for de Leon, IMO he cannot replace molino no day of the week, so what do we need the for?

Leave these people alone, you all sound like you’re begging now. let work with what we have until better could be done.

Recruitment is about multiple conversations, showing interest, updating about changes, informing, insisting and convincing.

You sound like you are using Rowley's Theory of Vaccine Acquisition: do not beg. Who is begging?

Only one way of finding out definitively. That is to bring dem.

I don't care whose place they take. Show me the sacred cow.

It's also not necessarily about replacing a presumptive starter. It is prospectively about replacing a substitute.
I hope i'm not being rude mate, but the british recruitment process makes me a tad angry at times. you see these british born players are heavily indoctrinated to play for england at a very tender age. they sit and dream of the day that they would be capped if only for one game, and it's not until their hopes are dashed or it becomes apparent that they don't have the quality to be an england international do they ever consider a second option.

take for instance raheem sterling, that man came to england as a lad already knowing somewhere else, yet when the chance arrived he turned down the country of his birth to represent the lions....jamaic who? and it's the same with all of them.

they walk the streets talking all this jamaican patios and calling themselves yardie even though they've never been to the caribbean, but when it comes to football all that west indian crap goes out the window, it's only the african blokes who turn down england to play for their parents country.

 it boils my piss when blokes like bobby zamora and jay loyde who turned down an opportunity to go to a world cup and only because they thought england was a better option, and then we having to turn around and pacify them to join us, which makes me react in a negative way,

and even when bobby zamora had nothing else to play for he still refused to join us despite having a change of heart, the last being at fulham where clint dempsey convinced him that we were shit and he should never consider a call up from us, and not just him but hoyte and many other english lads who could have played for the parents country, but would only get on board when they are sure of not ever being capped for the three lions.

that is the only reason i said to forget these players and let them be, if they want to play for us then the door is open, their choice, but to go begging these 3rd division english brats is beneath us. i know as trinis we have way more pride than that, after all it's not only about football, it's about basic principles and dignity. 

No, it is about competitive intelligence and being pragmatic. Where are the angels in this process?

What do you think the US is doing?
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Deeks on April 04, 2021, 06:41:44 AM
Guys, I pulling allyuh stones on this one. I agree with him on this matter. Birchall, Boucaud and now Philips, Fenderup, Telfer decided to go for broke with TT, knowing full well on the administration and coaching level( to some extent), we are a bunch of f**king misfits. Birchall, Boucaud were not superstars and neither is Philip, Telfer and Fenderup. But the mere fact that they came, and are currently struggling and fighting to take us to the second round is all that I or WE can ask for. I, or we should be grateful to them. I am very grateful to You foreign borns.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: pull stones on April 04, 2021, 06:56:03 AM
Why don’t you all stop annoying John bostock and nick de leon, can’t you see these fellers don’t want  anything to do with us? and honestly I don’t think that they would bring anything special to the squad, BTW who’s place are they going to take? I don’t believe bostock is better than what we have in the midfield and certainly not jovin, telfer or levi, as for de Leon, IMO he cannot replace molino no day of the week, so what do we need the for?

Leave these people alone, you all sound like you’re begging now. let work with what we have until better could be done.

Recruitment is about multiple conversations, showing interest, updating about changes, informing, insisting and convincing.

You sound like you are using Rowley's Theory of Vaccine Acquisition: do not beg. Who is begging?

Only one way of finding out definitively. That is to bring dem.

I don't care whose place they take. Show me the sacred cow.

It's also not necessarily about replacing a presumptive starter. It is prospectively about replacing a substitute.
I hope i'm not being rude mate, but the british recruitment process makes me a tad angry at times. you see these british born players are heavily indoctrinated to play for england at a very tender age. they sit and dream of the day that they would be capped if only for one game, and it's not until their hopes are dashed or it becomes apparent that they don't have the quality to be an england international do they ever consider a second option.

take for instance raheem sterling, that man came to england as a lad already knowing somewhere else, yet when the chance arrived he turned down the country of his birth to represent the lions....jamaic who? and it's the same with all of them.

they walk the streets talking all this jamaican patios and calling themselves yardie even though they've never been to the caribbean, but when it comes to football all that west indian crap goes out the window, it's only the african blokes who turn down england to play for their parents country.

 it boils my piss when blokes like bobby zamora and jay loyde who turned down an opportunity to go to a world cup and only because they thought england was a better option, and then we having to turn around and pacify them to join us, which makes me react in a negative way,

and even when bobby zamora had nothing else to play for he still refused to join us despite having a change of heart, the last being at fulham where clint dempsey convinced him that we were shit and he should never consider a call up from us, and not just him but hoyte and many other english lads who could have played for the parents country, but would only get on board when they are sure of not ever being capped for the three lions.

that is the only reason i said to forget these players and let them be, if they want to play for us then the door is open, their choice, but to go begging these 3rd division english brats is beneath us. i know as trinis we have way more pride than that, after all it's not only about football, it's about basic principles and dignity. 

No, it is about competitive intelligence and being pragmatic. Where are the angels in this process?

What do you think the US is doing?
don’t want to pull rank here but I know the English mind set a little better than you, and even though they are for the most part second and third generation Caribbeans and Africans they still turn up their noses on our football. In their minds the only thing we’re good at is track and field and cricket, and only the lower division players without any prospect of wearing an england jersey jumps at the opportunity to play for us.

 I believing in asking but beseeching is where i draw the line, and that’s what we’re doing with bostock. Plus the lad is showing zero interest in representing us, so leave him be. if he wants to play for us the doors is always open and he knows where to find us.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Deeks on April 04, 2021, 07:45:20 AM
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on April 04, 2021, 08:17:41 AM
From my point of view, the conversation is larger than any one player. Whatever pathologies people suffer from, based on their lived experiences in the UK, can be bridged with a proper welcome and excellent organization on the part of the TTFA. Bridged not remedied.

It is up to us/the federation to mould the narrative. I am not preoccupied about individual players. I am more concerned about structures and systems. Facing this reality has to overcome whether a player arrives on the basis of opportunism, adventurism or knowing the national anthem by heart. It is what it is.

Bigger brands are typically more attractive than smaller brands, but that doesn't impede smaller brands from pulling a share of the market and growing.

There is no room for emotion in this. We have a match against Montserrat in a few weeks. We will be having this conversation again.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Tallman on May 27, 2021, 07:04:53 PM
WATCH: More positive COVID-19 test results on eve of National Team's departure for World Cup Qualifiers

https://www.youtube.com/v/qsP2-6Tp0TM
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Trini _2026 on May 28, 2021, 05:29:56 AM
WATCH: More positive COVID-19 test results on eve of National Team's departure for World Cup Qualifiers

https://www.youtube.com/v/qsP2-6Tp0TM

they can call up ranjitsingh
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: AZZURRI on May 28, 2021, 11:38:54 AM
WATCH: More positive COVID-19 test results on eve of National Team's departure for World Cup Qualifiers

https://www.youtube.com/v/qsP2-6Tp0TM

they can call up ranjitsingh


YESS!!!!!
dont know what the hold up is about

Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Tallman on May 28, 2021, 12:06:43 PM
Trinidad and Tobago's 28-man roster for Concacaf World Cup Qualifiers against Bahamas Flag of Bahamas on June 5th and St. Kitts and Nevis on June 8th.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2flJEEXMAI44Bp?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: AZZURRI on May 28, 2021, 12:13:47 PM
Trinidad and Tobago's 28-man roster for Concacaf World Cup Qualifiers against Bahamas Flag of Bahamas on June 5th and St. Kitts and Nevis on June 8th.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2flJEEXMAI44Bp?format=jpg&name=large)


Ranjitsingh and the 2 players from the CPL  - Garcia and Rampersad should be in the mix long time...

wonder how come no queries on them...
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Trini _2026 on May 28, 2021, 02:53:02 PM
This is the weakest player pool I have ever seen .....
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Deeks on May 28, 2021, 03:43:14 PM
GG III. really!?
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: maxg on May 29, 2021, 12:18:08 AM
This is the weakest player pool I have ever seen .....
Maybe so, but is Bahamas an St Kitts we playing.. Lawd, don’t make meh eat dem words...joe King.. look ah taking it back.  Is meh only card this rounds. :yellowcard:
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: pull stones on May 29, 2021, 05:42:39 AM
This is the weakest player pool I have ever seen .....
what is the difference from this squad and the last squad that we travelled with the last time? the same starting eleven and subs are in this squad,

GK fenderup, david, bateau, primus, hackshaw.

hyland, levi garcia, jovin jones, danial phillip, poon angeron.

ryan telfer.

same starting eleven and only a few subs were left out like marcus joseph (who's yet to score a competitive goal, willis plaza, another no goal contributor, andre boucaud and brent sam) in fact we have a better front line sub in danial carr and andre fortune, so where's the big loss??
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on May 29, 2021, 06:17:18 AM
Didn't the MoS state that all the players - for whom passports were requested - have received passports?

Who falls in that category? All the players listed in that graphic have held a TT passport previous to this round.

That aside, presumably JW has resolved his passport issue?
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on May 29, 2021, 06:36:41 AM
Now that we've seen the squad, how are those Bahamas 5-0 and 7-0 expectations?
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Tallman on May 29, 2021, 07:38:27 AM
Reaction to the squad selection

https://www.youtube.com/v/xKs13Ye5nJ8
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Trini _2026 on May 29, 2021, 07:39:41 AM
This is the weakest player pool I have ever seen .....
what is the difference from this squad and the last squad that we travelled with the last time? the same starting eleven and subs are in this squad,

GK fenderup, david, bateau, primus, hackshaw.

hyland, levi garcia, jovin jones, danial phillip, poon angeron.

ryan telfer.

same starting eleven and only a few subs were left out like marcus joseph (who's yet to score a competitive goal, willis plaza, another no goal contributor, andre boucaud and brent sam) in fact we have a better front line sub in danial carr and andre fortune, so where's the big loss??

No i am comparing the playerpool we have now  to previous WC campaigns....Well  the local league is not playing and there seems to be no good  foreign born players. so fenwick has limited options .however  if he can call up dan carr gary griffith 3 and jesse williams etc  he could have called/looked at the LH rangers players becuase they are also training .. let see if the campaign last beyond the home and away games in june because i am yet to be convinced ....................
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: kounty on May 29, 2021, 08:14:46 AM
This is the weakest player pool I have ever seen .....
Maybe so, but is Bahamas an St Kitts we playing.. Lawd, don’t make meh eat dem words...joe King.. look ah taking it back.  Is meh only card this rounds. :yellowcard:
Yuh boy geh a lil bligh man! Would love to see him come on and get a lil sweat (put that canada callup talk to bed long before it start). He have tools and as you say- nice with the ball at his feet
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: kounty on May 29, 2021, 08:16:17 AM
Now that's we've seen the squad, how are those Bahamas 5-0 and 7-0 expectations?
GG-3 good for a goal in this one man! (after all that money spend!?!?)
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Tiresais on May 29, 2021, 11:17:52 AM
TTFA saying Michael Poon-Angernon is unattached, but I've heard he's still under contract for Banfield?
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Flex on May 30, 2021, 12:32:08 AM
Soca Warriors arrive in Nassau for W/Cup Qualifier.
By Walter Alibey (T&T Guardian).


Members of the senior men's national team arrived in Nassau, Bahamas after midday on Saturday ahead of their CONCACAF World Cup qualifier against the Bahamas on June 5.

Coach Terry Fenwick and the home-based contingent checked into the Breeze's Hotel after overnighting in Miami, USA on Friday night. All members underwent their PCR Tests at the hotel before a light workout at the hotel facility on Saturday evening.

Belgium-based defender Sheldon Bateau was the first of the overseas players to join the squad in Nassau.

Soon after the team's arrival defender Robert Primus stressed the importance of the match, saying it will come down to who wants it more and who is more prepared.

"It's two do-or-die games and we need the six points, so we'll take it one game at a time and approach it as it comes. I believe everyone on board knows the importance of both games so I believe everyone is up and ready for the task ahead.

"It all comes down to preparation, who is more prepared, who is willing to work harder. We're going to show a lot of character in training, show what we want to do and go out there and get the points we need," Primus said.

The T&T team is in a precarious position in Group F of the qualifiers, in the second position with four points from two matches behind leaders St Kitts and Nevis who they will play in an expected virtual final on June 8 in Santo Domingo in the Dominican Republic.

The Soca Warriors need to win the group to advance to the next stage of the qualifiers, but they would first be required to get past the Bahamas on Saturday from 5 pm at the Thomas Robinson Stadium in Nassau.

The team will be without the services of goalkeeper Nicklas Frenderup, Jomal Williams and Luke Singh, all of who are unavailable for the Bahamas clash but will be on Fenwick's roster for the all-important St Kitts and Nevis encounter.

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No Bostock or Boucaud, but Fenwick picks Jomal, Julien, Singh, Orr and Griffith III in T&T 28-man squad.
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868).


Trinidad and Tobago Men’s National Senior Team head coach Terry Fenwick made 10 changes to his squad from their last international match day window, as they head for crucial Qatar 2022 World Cup qualifying contests against the Bahamas and St Kitts and Nevis on 5 and 8 June respectively.

But they were not necessarily the ones he wanted, as, again, his attempts to introduce a series of United Kingdom-born players to his squad proved fruitless.

Fenwick openly courted former England national youth team midfielder John Bostock since his appointment, while he also tried to secure passports for defender Ryan Inniss, midfielder Kurtis Cumberbatch, and forwards Tristan Abrahams and Rory McKenzie.

Bostock, not for the first time, said ‘no’ to joining the Soca Warriors when it counted, while neither Inniss, Cumberbatch, McKenzie or Abrahams got their documents.

Regardless, there are a raft of fresh faces in the national squad as the Warriors face a series of must-win outings.

Pacy former national youth team full backs Shannon Gomez and Keston Julien are included, as predicted. United States-based midfielder Andre Fortune Jr was also recalled, after featuring in the national team’s 7-0 friendly defeat to the United States in January.

El Salvador-based flanker Jomal Williams and forward Daniel Carr, who is set for a move to the India third division, got maiden call-ups under Fenwick.

Versatile left-sided midfielder Nickell Orr, a former national youth team stand-out also received his first national senior team summons after helping Paeek FC win the Cyprus second tier competition. And ball-playing Toronto FC central defender Luke Singh is also in line to make his senior debut after competing at National Under-17 and Under-20 level.

Veteran Defence Force midfielder Hashim Arcia is also back in the travelling party for the first time since the United States outing, as are teenagers and former national youth team players Jesse Williams and Gary Griffith III.

Williams, a defender, and Griffith III, an attacking flanker, were both listed by the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) as employees of Northern Ireland team Coleraine FC, although neither were registered by the team after failing to land work permits.

Griffith III is the son of Commissioner of Police Gary Griffith.

Ace US Major League Soccer (MLS) midfielder Kevin Molino, who moved from Minnesota United to Columbus Crew this season, again misses out due to injury. Molino has 21 senior international goals in 50 appearances but is yet to feature for Fenwick.

Otherwise, the players omitted from the Warriors squad that played in the last match window are: defender Leland Archer, midfielders Andre Boucaud and Jabari Mitchell, and attackers Sean Bonval, Marcus Joseph and Willis Plaza.

The 36-year-old Boucaud, who retired from the domestic game in 2019, was recently subjected to a failed protest by the Guyana and Puerto Rico football bodies due to his status as a player agent. However Fifa ruled that the protest was groundless.

The TTFA also acknowledged that three players were ruled out by positive Covid-19 tests.

“It must be noted that three players were deemed unavailable for selection after each individual returned two consecutive Covid-19 positive results this week,” stated the TTFA Media. “The TTFA wishes them a speedy recovery and will continue to monitor their recovery over the next few weeks.”

Wired868 understands that the three positive players are veteran goalkeeper Marvin Phillip, forward Brent Sam, and attacker Isaiah Hudson, although this remains unconfirmed by the local football body.

Once more, there was no sign of any players from the Terminix La Horquetta Rangers squad, which includes former national youth or senior team players Aikim Andrews, Isaiah Lee, Kadeem Corbin, Keron ‘Ballpest’ Cummings, Yohannes Richardson, and Keston George.

Rangers managing director Richard Ferguson has said his players are available for selection within the Fifa international match window but not for training with Fenwick’s local contingent.

The Warriors touring party will be led by captain Khaleem Hyland and includes defender Sheldon Bateau, attacker Levi Garcia, and utility player Joevin Jones.

“Looking around the world [at] the players that are available, that have reached out to me that want to play and represent their national team,” Fenwick told the TTFA Media. “It’s been fantastic the response that we’ve had. I’m pleased to bring them together.

“I’m delighted with the players that I’ve got on the ground in Trinidad and Tobago as well. They’ve been brilliant. I love them to death. They have showed lots of professionalism.”

The Warriors are without Singh, Williams, and Frenderup for their outing against the Bahamas. No official reason was given for the absences, although Wired868 understands that Frenderup has remained in Denmark to be with his girlfriend who is due to give birth.

The Bahamas have no chance to advance from the group, after losing 4-0 in both of their fixtures so far against St Kitts and Nevis and Guyana respectively. Fenwick will hope to give them another spanking in Nassau next week Saturday.

The English coach’s most intriguing selections, from a tactical viewpoint, may prove to be Gomez and Julien. In their earlier qualifiers, central defenders Aubrey David and Neveal Hackshaw played as full backs which left Fenwick’s team short of attacking thrust down either flank.

Gomez and Julien are both mobile and adventurous and more likely to bomb forward in support of, potentially, Garcia and Jones.

MLS full back Noah Powder only featured for a few minutes against Guyana while he skipped the Puerto Rico contest with a knee injury, but he can also offer offensive momentum to the team if needed.

It is possible Fenwick might switch to a 3-4-3 formation, which he used regularly at Central FC, in light of his current squad.

The Warriors leave for Miami today before heading to Nassau tomorrow. Trinidad and Tobago’s outing against St Kitts and Nevis will be played in Santo Domingo, as Covid-19 protocols on the twin island republic make the logistics of hosting an international match near impossible.

Remarkably, the Warriors’ road trip could last anywhere between 13 days and two months if they keep winning.

If Trinidad and Tobago defeat Bahamas and St Kitts and Nevis, they advanced to a two-legged playoff on 12 and 15 June against the winners of Group A for a place in the final eight-team group stage. At present, El Salvador and Montserrat are fighting to finish top of Group A.

The Warriors are already scheduled to face Montserrat in a 2021 Concacaf Gold Cup qualifier in Miami on 2 July and, should they win, will go on to face either Cuba or French Guiana in a second playoff for the Gold Cup group stage.

The TTFA, headed by normalisation committee chairman Robert Hadad, will be expected to provide team manager Adrian Romain and logistics manager Major Basil Thompson with the administrative support to get through two months on the road, in the middle of a global health pandemic, without issues.

The Warriors have played three matches under Fenwick so far, and tallied a 7-0 friendly loss away to USA, a 3-0 win over Guyana, and a 1-1 draw with Puerto Rico.

Team info listed as: club, age, caps/goals)

Goalkeepers:

Adrian Foncette (Police FC; 32; 16/0), Nicklas Frenderup (Ranheim—Denmark; 28; 4/0), Denzil Smith (W Connection; 21; 0/0);

Defenders:

Neveal Hackshaw (Indy Eleven—US; 25; 17/0), Justin Garcia (Defence Force; 25; 3/0), Sheldon Bateau (Mechelen—Belgium; 30; 44/4), Jesse Williams (Unattached; 18; 0/0), Aubrey David (Deportivo Saprissa—Costa Rica; 30; 55/1), Radanfah Abu Bakr (Unattached; 34; 37/2), Robert Primus (FC Bengaluru Utd—India; 30; 9/0), Luke Singh (Toronto FC—Canada; 20; 0/0), Shannon Gomez (Sacramento Republic—USA; 24; 2/0), Noah Powder (Real Salt Lake—US; 22; 2/0), Keston Julien (FC Sheriff Tiraspol—Moldova; 22; 3/0), Joevin Jones (InterMiami CF—USA; 29; 79/9);

Midfielders:

Michel Poon-Angeron (Unattached; 20; 3/0), Duane Muckette (Unattached; 25; 7/0), Daniel Phillips (Watford FC—England; 20; 2/0), Khaleem Hyland (Al Batin FC—Saudi Arabia; 31; 89/4), Andre Fortune Jr (Memphis 901—USA; 24; 3/0), Hashim Arcia (Defence Force; 32; 13/1), Judah Garcia (Unattached; 20; 5/0);

Forwards:

Levi Garcia (AEK Athens FC—Greece; 23; 28/3), Ryan Telfer (Atletico Ottawa—Canada; 27; 9/4), Gary Griffith III (Unattached; 18; 0/0), Daniel Carr (FC Bengaluru—India; 26; 4/0), Nickel Orr (Paeek FC—Cyprus; 20; 0/0), Jomal Williams (CD Águila—El Salvador; 27; 19/2).

Trinidad and Tobago footballers arrive in Bahamas ahead of World Cup qualifier.
By Jonathan Ramnanansingh (T&T Newsday).


THE NATIONAL men’s football team touched down in Nassau, Bahamas just after noon on Saturday ahead of their FIFA World Cup Concacaf Zone Group F qualifier against the host nation on June 5.

The 28-man squad, under the guidance of coach Terry Fenwick, checked into Breeze’s Hotel after overnighting in Miami, US on Friday night. All members underwent their PCR tests at the hotel before a light workout at the hotel facility on Saturday evening.

Belgium-based defender Sheldon Bateau was the first of the overseas players to join the squad in Nassau on Saturday as they resumed their preparations for a pair of qualifiers.

The Bahamas fixture kicks off from 5 pm at the Thomas Robinson Stadium, Nassau. The national squad then travel to Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic for their clash against St Kitts/Nevis at the Felix Sanchez Olympic Stadium on June 8.

T&T began their 2022 qualifying campaign on March 25 by defeating Guyana 3-0 in the Dominican Republic. Three day later, however, they were held to a 1-1 draw by hosts Puerto Rico.

As it stands, St Kitts/Nevis lead the five-team group with six points, followed by T&T (four), Puerto Rico (one), Guyana and Bahamas (zero). The group winners will advance to the next round of qualifiers.

Upon arriving in Bahamas on Saturday, India-based defender Robert Primus (FC Bengaluru) said the team are in high spirits.

“We arrived safely and now it’s time to stay concentrated and get down to business. These games are very important as they are two do-or-die games. We need the six points but we’ll take it one game at a time and approach it as it comes.

“I believe everyone on board knows the importance of both games and I believe everyone is ready for the test ahead of us,” he said.

Primus said victories in both matches will come down to who are more prepared and who are willing to work harder.

“We are going to show a lot of character in training, show what we really want to do and go out and get the points we need. The coach laid (our plans) out very well at home in training. They know what the coach wants from them so I’m hoping they are ready as well to take on the task ahead,” he added.

Uncapped defender Luke Singh, winger Jomal Williams and goalkeeper Nicklas Frenderup will be available for selection only for the St Kitts/Nevis encounter.

Watch More Positive COVID-19 Test Results On Eve Of National Team's Departure For World Cup Qualifiers (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsP2-6Tp0TM)

Watch Trinidad & Tobago 28 man squad for Bahamas and Saint Kitts & Nevis World Cup qualifying REACTION! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKs13Ye5nJ8)


Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: ffisback on May 30, 2021, 02:53:49 PM
Trinidad and Tobago's 28-man roster for Concacaf World Cup Qualifiers against Bahamas Flag of Bahamas on June 5th and St. Kitts and Nevis on June 8th.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2flJEEXMAI44Bp?format=jpg&name=large)
While i am happy to see players like Keston Julien and Shannon Gomez finally getting a chance because they are the future but picking 11 defenders is not a good sign this tells me Terry Fenwick is in way over his head he is now going down the same part as Steven Hart going into a defensive shell hoping you might be able to get a result.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on May 30, 2021, 04:20:05 PM
Trinidad and Tobago's 28-man roster for Concacaf World Cup Qualifiers against Bahamas Flag of Bahamas on June 5th and St. Kitts and Nevis on June 8th.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2flJEEXMAI44Bp?format=jpg&name=large)
While i am happy to see players like Keston Julien and Shannon Gomez finally getting a chance because they are the future but picking 11 defenders is not a good sign this tells me Terry Fenwick is in way over his head he is now going down the same part as Steven Hart going into a defensive shell hoping you might be able to get a result.

What are your thoughts on the Arcia pick?
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: ffisback on May 30, 2021, 05:33:17 PM
Trinidad and Tobago's 28-man roster for Concacaf World Cup Qualifiers against Bahamas Flag of Bahamas on June 5th and St. Kitts and Nevis on June 8th.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2flJEEXMAI44Bp?format=jpg&name=large)
While i am happy to see players like Keston Julien and Shannon Gomez finally getting a chance because they are the future but picking 11 defenders is not a good sign this tells me Terry Fenwick is in way over his head he is now going down the same part as Steven Hart going into a defensive shell hoping you might be able to get a result.

What are your thoughts on the Arcia pick?
I saw him play under Dennis Lawrence and he did not do much to impress me I am surprised that Mathew Woo Ling is not in the squad since he is getting back to match fitness now.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Tallman on May 30, 2021, 05:53:12 PM
Training Session

https://www.youtube.com/v/I6qOqnl7PrI

Foncette speaks

https://www.youtube.com/v/LxtnNlUfB0o
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on May 30, 2021, 06:01:52 PM
Trinidad and Tobago's 28-man roster for Concacaf World Cup Qualifiers against Bahamas Flag of Bahamas on June 5th and St. Kitts and Nevis on June 8th.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2flJEEXMAI44Bp?format=jpg&name=large)
While i am happy to see players like Keston Julien and Shannon Gomez finally getting a chance because they are the future but picking 11 defenders is not a good sign this tells me Terry Fenwick is in way over his head he is now going down the same part as Steven Hart going into a defensive shell hoping you might be able to get a result.

What are your thoughts on the Arcia pick?
I saw him play under Dennis Lawrence and he did not do much to impress me I am surprised that Mathew Woo Ling is not in the squad since he is getting back to match fitness now.

Woo Ling has a deep hole to climb out of.

If Arcia plays with a higher level of concentration and focus and mental toughness and makes decisions to put the opposition on the back foot maybe a helpful contributor. I find him too casual. But, he has a lot of ability although predictably very right-footed. Maybe playing with confidence and insistence ... more than just letting the game come to him would make a difference. He has more experience than Woo Ling. Given the state of play it makes sense. Not wowed by it though. Want him to lead by demonstration. He is years past the "potential" talk. He has to deliver on the offensive side of the ball because he's not exactly a defending general.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: ffisback on May 30, 2021, 07:08:27 PM
Trinidad and Tobago's 28-man roster for Concacaf World Cup Qualifiers against Bahamas Flag of Bahamas on June 5th and St. Kitts and Nevis on June 8th.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2flJEEXMAI44Bp?format=jpg&name=large)
While i am happy to see players like Keston Julien and Shannon Gomez finally getting a chance because they are the future but picking 11 defenders is not a good sign this tells me Terry Fenwick is in way over his head he is now going down the same part as Steven Hart going into a defensive shell hoping you might be able to get a result.

What are your thoughts on the Arcia pick?
I saw him play under Dennis Lawrence and he did not do much to impress me I am surprised that Mathew Woo Ling is not in the squad since he is getting back to match fitness now.

Woo Ling has a deep hole to climb out of.

If Arcia plays with a higher level of concentration and focus and mental toughness and makes decisions to put the opposition on the back foot maybe a helpful contributor. I find him too casual. But, he has a lot of ability although predictably very right-footed. Maybe playing with confidence and insistence ... more than just letting the game come to him would make a difference. He has more experience than Woo Ling. Given the state of play it makes sense. Not wowed by it though. Want him to lead by demonstration. He is years past the "potential" talk. He has to deliver on the offensive side of the ball because he's not exactly a defending general.
Unfortunately at 32 Arcia does not have much time to grow he has miss the boat at 25 M W Ling can still get a lucky break.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Storeboy on May 30, 2021, 07:51:52 PM
Training Session

https://www.youtube.com/v/I6qOqnl7PrI

Foncette speaks

https://www.youtube.com/v/LxtnNlUfB0o

This is a business trip. Work like it! Success to the Warriors today and forever!
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Tiresais on May 31, 2021, 12:28:46 AM
Trinidad and Tobago's 28-man roster for Concacaf World Cup Qualifiers against Bahamas Flag of Bahamas on June 5th and St. Kitts and Nevis on June 8th.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2flJEEXMAI44Bp?format=jpg&name=large)
While i am happy to see players like Keston Julien and Shannon Gomez finally getting a chance because they are the future but picking 11 defenders is not a good sign this tells me Terry Fenwick is in way over his head he is now going down the same part as Steven Hart going into a defensive shell hoping you might be able to get a result.

I think the natural implications is 5 at the back with wingbacks, which can be quite attacking with the right players. There are a couple attacking-minded defenders in that list.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: ffisback on May 31, 2021, 01:53:03 AM
Trinidad and Tobago's 28-man roster for Concacaf World Cup Qualifiers against Bahamas Flag of Bahamas on June 5th and St. Kitts and Nevis on June 8th.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2flJEEXMAI44Bp?format=jpg&name=large)
While i am happy to see players like Keston Julien and Shannon Gomez finally getting a chance because they are the future but picking 11 defenders is not a good sign this tells me Terry Fenwick is in way over his head he is now going down the same part as Steven Hart going into a defensive shell hoping you might be able to get a result.

I think the natural implications is 5 at the back with wingbacks, which can be quite attacking with the right players. There are a couple attacking-minded defenders in that list.
I can see playing defensively vs St Kitts and Nevins but against Bahamas we should be running up the score line players like Daniel Carr and Levi Garcia should be scoring hattricks in that game.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on May 31, 2021, 04:54:58 AM
Ah see GG II has been policing the Internet heaping venom on those who challenge III's selection or the appearance of impropriety and conflicted interests. He would have been able to keep that venom in reserve, for a proper public purpose rather than a private crusade, had the situation been managed more sensibly from the beginning. Ah well, too late for that now.

Maybe a goal or two from GG III versus the Bahamas will settle the debt. BUT doh get it twisted: the questioning shouldn't end.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Flex on May 31, 2021, 11:34:15 AM
Foncette: We cannot take Bahamas for granted.
By Walter Alibey (T&T Guardian).


T&T goalkeeper Adrian Foncette is warning that his team must not take the Bahamas for granted, as they go after six points from two matches over the coming week and a half in the FIFA/CONCACAF World Cup Qualifiers.

The Bahamians are winless after two matches against St Kitts and Nevis and Guyana and will be hoping to break their losing trend against T&T on Saturday from 5 pm at home. The Soca Warriors, on the otherhand, cannot afford to drop any points if they are to finish at the top of Group F and advance as the only team.

Coach Terry Fenwick's men dropped two vital points against Puerto Rico on March 28, three days after they opened their campaign with an impressive 3-0 win over Guyana in the Dominican Republic.

Foncette, following a training session on Sunday said a victory against the Bahamians will help build their momentum going into the all-important match against St Kitts and Nevis on June 8.

With two wins in as many matches, the St Kitts and Nevis men are in the pole position and could need as simple as a draw against T&T, if they beat Guyana on Saturday as well.

"This game is one not to be taken for granted at all. It will be important for us, building our momentum going forward. So this is a crucial three points we need here. We need to minimise our mistakes including build from strength to strength, game to game, taking it from this one here and on to the others," said Foncette, a police constable.

The 32-year-old comes in for Marvin Phillips and Nicklas Frenderup, who are both unavailable for various reasons, said, is one of three players to have fallen ill. According to Foncette, who has 17 caps, he has been in that position before so he is not concerned.

The T&T team arrived in Nassau, Bahamas on Friday and has been accepting the overseas-based stars over the past few days. So far Foncette said things have been good in the camp and everyone is positive.

"It's good to see some of the guys coming back in after the little break that we had between the last set of matches, so we're just looking forward to the games at hand."

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Trinidad and Tobago footballers focused on busy week ahead.
T&T Newsday Reports.


TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO goalkeeper Adrian Foncette said the entire squad must be ready for the challenge ahead as the players gear up for 2022 FIFA World Cup qualifiers, Concacaf Gold Cup qualifiers and potentially the Gold Cup in the next two months.

Following matches against the Bahamas in Bahamas on Saturday and versus St Kitts and Nevis in the Dominican Republic on June 8, T&T will travel to Ft Lauderdale, Florida to compete in the 2021 Concacaf Gold Cup qualification tournament from July 2-6.

T&T will aim for a top-three finish in the qualification tournament to qualify for the Concacaf Gold Cup from July 10-August 1 in the USA.

T&T are second in Group F in the Concacaf zone of the World Cup qualifiers with four points after one win and one draw. T&T defeated Guyana 3-0 in their opening match on March 25, before being held to a 1-1 draw by Puerto Rico on March 28.

St Kitts lead Group F with six points. Only the top team will advance to the next round of World Cup qualifying.

Discussing the possibility of being on the road for the next two months, Foncette told TT Football Association media, “It is something that all our players need to be ready mentally and physically (for). We are not here on a vacation, we here for business. Going forward we just need to stay focused. We need to do what is required and everybody needs to do their part.”

Foncette said the short training camp leading up to the Bahamas encounter will be pivotal to the team’s preparation ahead of the two World Cup qualifiers.

“Is one (camp) that we really needed. We needed it for some time. We needed to be away from the general public and just be in a bubble, so that we could put our heads down and just get the work done.”

Foncette is expected to be the starting goalkeeper as Marvin Phillip in injured.

Foncette said, “Is unfortunate what happened to Marvin. I wish him a speedy recovery, but these things happen and whenever I am called upon to play I am always ready. I’ve been here before (and) it is always an honour to represent the country, it is just something to look forward to. It is nothing over the top. This is what we train for - to play.”

Bahamas are rooted at the bottom of the group, but Foncette said there is no room for complacency.

“To be fair this game is one not to be taken for granted at all. Is one that I think it will be important for us building our momentum going forward. These are crucial three points that we need here. We need to minimise on our mistakes (and) just build from strength to strength, game to game taking it from this one here to the next one and on to the others."

Watch Foncette focused on task ahead as T&T prepare for Bahamas (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxtnNlUfB0o)

Watch SMNT Session Highlights - Day 2 in Nassau (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6qOqnl7PrI)

Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Tiresais on May 31, 2021, 04:02:21 PM
Trinidad and Tobago's 28-man roster for Concacaf World Cup Qualifiers against Bahamas Flag of Bahamas on June 5th and St. Kitts and Nevis on June 8th.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2flJEEXMAI44Bp?format=jpg&name=large)
While i am happy to see players like Keston Julien and Shannon Gomez finally getting a chance because they are the future but picking 11 defenders is not a good sign this tells me Terry Fenwick is in way over his head he is now going down the same part as Steven Hart going into a defensive shell hoping you might be able to get a result.

I think the natural implications is 5 at the back with wingbacks, which can be quite attacking with the right players. There are a couple attacking-minded defenders in that list.
I can see playing defensively vs St Kitts and Nevins but against Bahamas we should be running up the score line players like Daniel Carr and Levi Garcia should be scoring hattricks in that game.

I disagree on two parts - 1) 5 man defenses can be very attacking if the two wing backs attack properly, knowing they're covered. 2) Bahamas team is mostly US college and lower leagues, so they will have actually played games over the past year..

We should best him, but I worry.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: ffisback on May 31, 2021, 05:15:08 PM
Trinidad and Tobago's 28-man roster for Concacaf World Cup Qualifiers against Bahamas Flag of Bahamas on June 5th and St. Kitts and Nevis on June 8th.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2flJEEXMAI44Bp?format=jpg&name=large)
While i am happy to see players like Keston Julien and Shannon Gomez finally getting a chance because they are the future but picking 11 defenders is not a good sign this tells me Terry Fenwick is in way over his head he is now going down the same part as Steven Hart going into a defensive shell hoping you might be able to get a result.

I think the natural implications is 5 at the back with wingbacks, which can be quite attacking with the right players. There are a couple attacking-minded defenders in that list.
I can see playing defensively vs St Kitts and Nevins but against Bahamas we should be running up the score line players like Daniel Carr and Levi Garcia should be scoring hattricks in that game.

I disagree on two parts - 1) 5 man defenses can be very attacking if the two wing backs attack properly, knowing they're covered. 2) Bahamas team is mostly US college and lower leagues, so they will have actually played games over the past year..

We should best him, but I worry.
While i agree with what you saying i don't see it working without a good #10 if there is not a good midfielder to give the ball to the wing backs its a waste of time.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Tallman on May 31, 2021, 08:32:40 PM
Garcia and Rampersad invited to Trinidad and Tobago’s training camp for the WCQs
By Dylan Lawrence (hfxwanderersfc.canpl.ca)


Akeem Garcia and Andre Rampersad have been invited to join the Trinidad and Tobago’s Men’s National Team training camp for the CONCACAF World Cup qualifying matches this June.

Unfortunately Garcia and Rampersad won’t be joining due to Canadian travel visa restrictions. Although this may not be the desired outcome for the two Wanderers players, this shows great progress and growth for these promising footballers.

Garcia led the Wanderers in their inaugural 2019 season with 7 goals in 24 appearances. Adapting to the adjusted season format at the 2020 Island Games, Garcia won the Golden boot with 6 goals in just 10 games, each goal crucial to the success of the Wanderers 2020 campaign.

At the international level, Garcia earned his first cap for the Trinidad and Tobago senior team in 2015 in a friendly against Panama, coached by now Wanderers Head Coach Stephen Hart. Following strong performances in the Canadian Premier League, Garcia was recalled to the national side for CONCACAF Nations League matches against Honduras and Venezuela in October 2019.

Rampersad had yet to be called up to represent his native country, although all of his teammates, staff members and fans would say this is no surprise based on his recent form.

“Every player dreams to play for their country I would think. For me that’s one of the biggest things in my career, playing for your country. I want to represent the red, white and black to my full potential,” Rampersad said as he smiled.

Although he can now say he has been called up to represent his country, Rampersad will have to wait before he steps on to the pitch to represent the red, white and black. Hearing about Garcia’s invitation the previous year was added motivation for the 6’1” midfielder.

“Seeing him go to the national team was really inspiring for me, to do better because I know if both of us go to the national team, we can connect,” says the Wanderers skipper.

To add to Rampersad’s motivation, Jems Geffrard is another Wanderers teammate who has earned an invitation to represent his country at the World Cup Qualifiers and has already left Halifax to do so.

“Anytime one of our players gets the call from their country we want to honour that and do everything to support them,” said HFX Wanderers vice president of football operations Matt Fegan. “For Akeem and Andre, we’re working with Immigration Canada to get permission for their travel out and back to Canada. Sadly it didn’t come in time for this round but hopefully they can answer the call at the next opportunity. With a Canadian passport, Jems was able to travel more freely and we’re looking forward to seeing him in action for Haiti’s important World Cup Qualifiers and Gold Cup games.”

The club wishes Trinidad and Tobago’s Football Association the best of luck in their upcoming matches and their journey through the World Cup Qualifiers.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Tallman on June 01, 2021, 06:50:10 PM
WATCH: Bateau eyes maximum points in the next two matches

https://www.youtube.com/v/6kJ2OD7TeWQ
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Tallman on June 02, 2021, 01:40:38 PM
WATCH: Fortune, David look ahead to Saturday's WCQ with Bahamas

https://www.youtube.com/v/-FytbuCg5xY
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on June 03, 2021, 06:27:37 AM
Now that we've seen the squad, how are those Bahamas 5-0 and 7-0 expectations?

Puerto Rico picked a 7-0 squad. Hope we don't display our spirally descending standards of acceptance and mediocrity.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Tallman on June 03, 2021, 09:00:03 AM
WATCH: Shannon Gomez - "First order of business is beating Bahamas in convincing fashion"

https://www.youtube.com/v/fn7zMEGZvks
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: pull stones on June 03, 2021, 12:21:24 PM
Now that we've seen the squad, how are those Bahamas 5-0 and 7-0 expectations?

Puerto Rico picked a 7-0 squad. Hope we don't display our spirally descending standards of acceptance and mediocrity.
this is what kills our players motivation all the while, here we go again making comparisons, all we need to do is win one nil vs Bahamas and kitts nevis and we top the group. we don’t need to out shine PR or the other teams in the group. it makes no sense beating the Bahamas by 10 clear goals and losing or drawing to st kitts, these are must win games and we must beat these teams to advance, matters not how many goals we rack up in the process. yesterday England won by a narrow margin, and so did other big teams and they all took it with a smile because a win is a win is a win.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: pull stones on June 03, 2021, 12:22:54 PM
WATCH: Shannon Gomez - "First order of business is beating Bahamas in convincing fashion"

https://www.youtube.com/v/fn7zMEGZvks
this dude is very articulate, good to see our players having the ability to express themselves so audibly.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on June 03, 2021, 01:15:11 PM
Now that we've seen the squad, how are those Bahamas 5-0 and 7-0 expectations?

Puerto Rico picked a 7-0 squad. Hope we don't display our spirally descending standards of acceptance and mediocrity.
this is what kills our players motivation all the while, here we go again making comparisons, all we need to do is win one nil vs Bahamas and kitts nevis and we top the group. we don’t need to out shine PR or the other teams in the group. it makes no sense beating the Bahamas by 10 clear goals and losing or drawing to st kitts, these are must win games and we must beat these teams to advance, matters not how many goals we rack up in the process. yesterday England won by a narrow margin, and so did other big teams and they all took it with a smile because a win is a win is a win.

Lehwe be serious nah. A provisional ... and I use that word generously ... England XI versus an Austrian main squad (although Alaba should have been inside rather than outside) is not an apt comparison.

Second, how in the world can a call for goals be demotivating?

I will leave you to be biting your nails if we are one goal ahead or chasing one goal. No one wants that scenario.

Also, it is both a competitive match and a training match.  Messing around without dismissing the opponent early keeps it as competitive and less as training.

We need to exceed and excel. It isn't a comparison with Puerto Rico. We had that comparison: 1-1 in Mayaguez. Unconvincing. It is using all the above as a benchmark for the battles ahead.

Players MUST learn to play with pressure. Point blank.  And if pressure in your view is a call for goals versus The Bahamas, then let me suggest that is ice cream pressure. There will be tougher engagements and we have to earn them by working through the BS.

I am interested in three points just as much as the next person, ugly or pretty, but I would want plenty ugly goals rather than none. Or one.

The state of your football demands an improved image on all fronts. On field and off.

Don't forget the near own goal from the England example.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: kounty on June 03, 2021, 01:48:03 PM
Now that we've seen the squad, how are those Bahamas 5-0 and 7-0 expectations?

Puerto Rico picked a 7-0 squad. Hope we don't display our spirally descending standards of acceptance and mediocrity.
this is what kills our players motivation all the while, here we go again making comparisons, all we need to do is win one nil vs Bahamas and kitts nevis and we top the group. we don’t need to out shine PR or the other teams in the group. it makes no sense beating the Bahamas by 10 clear goals and losing or drawing to st kitts, these are must win games and we must beat these teams to advance, matters not how many goals we rack up in the process. yesterday England won by a narrow margin, and so did other big teams and they all took it with a smile because a win is a win is a win.
Must say I agree with the sentiment of your statement here. Once comfortably ahead no need to leave players on to get injured etc etc. The job at hand is two-part  :beermug:
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on June 03, 2021, 02:01:35 PM
You are inferring a lot. He didn't say that expressly. I agree with YOUR sentiment, but I don't know that we need to play our SKN XI vs Bahamas. We should be able to play match 1 without discharging the full account.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: pull stones on June 04, 2021, 04:10:10 AM
You are inferring a lot. He didn't say that expressly. I agree with YOUR sentiment, but I don't know that we need to play our SKN XI vs Bahamas. We should be able to play match 1 without discharging the full account.
all I’m saying is that we don’t need to exceed expectations by out scoring the other three teams in the group, a win would be fine in both games. but if we manage to drub bimini then fine, I’ll take it, but there are people like ffisback who’s gonna come after the game crying on the lads just because we kept a modest score line and didn’t out do everyone’s goal tally, this is the nonsense that can be a demotivating factor. and BTW there are quite a few players who browse the website from time to time.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: injunchile on June 04, 2021, 07:44:35 AM
I am taking a win- But we don't want to sweat with a 1-0 victory.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Sando prince on June 04, 2021, 09:18:07 AM

BOOM! T&T new football kit
https://www.facebook.com/TeamTrinbago/photos/a.110018710344314/511551056857742
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: frico on June 04, 2021, 12:40:41 PM
Should we be so overly worried about beating St.Kitts,we f**ked up against P.Rico and a lesson was learnt,just play the football we know we can,that is what we must do.I think every player plus the coach and manager knows exactly what is required.When allyuh worry I worry to,be positive and kick negativity outta de way.
Title: Julien, Gomez bring the power
Post by: Tallman on June 04, 2021, 01:50:28 PM
Julien, Gomez bring the power
By Ian Prescott (T&T Express)


THE RECALL of wide backs Shannon Gomez and Keston Julien gives the Trinidad and Tobago senior men’s national team a lot more options for their upcoming 2022 CONCACAF zone Group F World Cup qualifiers against the Bahamas (tomorrow) and leaders St Kitts and Nevis on Tuesday.

Both are young, can attack but also defend well.

Their inclusion also gives head coach Terry Fenwick the option of shifting a less fluid, but solid defensive player like Neveal Hackshaw from left-back to the defensive midfield position where he first came to prominence with Derek King’s national Under-20s.

Julien, 22, has three national caps under former head coach Dennis Lawrence and has been playing professionally in Europe for the last five years since his early TT Pro League days with San Juan Jabloteh and W Connection. After signing his first contract with AS Trencin in Slovakia, Julien, an attacking left-back, now plays for FK Sheriff Tiraspol, multiple champions in Moldova and a team which has played very well in European qualifiers. Sheriff again won the Moldova domestic league in 2021 and have qualified for the early rounds of the UEFA Champions League qualifiers. Julien, a starter for most of this season, has recently returned to action following an injury. He also relishes a return the T&T national team.

“Am happy to be back in the team and under a new coach as well,” stated Julien. “Everything is positive.”

Julien’s three T&T senior team caps came in 2019 Nations League matches. Since then he believes he has become an improved player at Sheriff, having as a Caribbean footballer had to work ten times as hard to make the line-up at his club, which also has a lot of African and European players in its ranks.

“I have made a transition to a higher-level club,” stated Julien. “Tactic-wise, I have improved a lot, especially with my defending. My coaches have taught me a lot, so am coming to bring that to my national team.”

Julien added:“On quality, we know we are a better team than Bahamas and St Kitts.” But he has cautioned his teammates to stick to Fenwick’s plan in the upcoming matches.

Gomez, 24, was captain of the national Under-17 team which won the 2014 Caribbean Championship under Derek King. Gomez was also a strong national team prospect and notably impressed former coach Stephen Hart when making his senior team debut on March 28, 2015 in a 1–0 friendly defeat to Panama. He played for 77 minutes before being replaced by Jomal Williams. Gomez made his second international appearance in a friendly on June 6, 2015, featuring for seven minutes in a 1–0 loss to Curaçao.

Making his W Connection debut as a 17-year-old, Gomez was quickly sent to the United States on loan to Major League Soccer club New York FC, but after two injury spells and subsequent surgery, he dropped down to the second tier USL level for the Pittsburgh Riverhounds and now Sacramento Republic. However, Gomez now seems back to his very best and has already this season picked up a Man-of-the-Match award and a Team of the Week pick in Sacramento Republic’s opening two matches.

Bahamas are winless and have conceded 15 goals in previous qualifiers against St Kitts (4-0), Guyana (4-0) and Puerto Rico (7-0). But on Saturday, Gomez thinks T&T need to be ruthless.

“This is a big game for us,” he said. “We need to play to the best of our ability regardless. Come out in the game strong, score our chances and put the game to bed,” he stated.

A very confident Gomez feels the formula against Bahamas is simple, although requiring serious effort.

“We shouldn’t have a reason for an excuse,” he declared, “just go out and play a good football game and win the game for the country.”

Gomez declined call-ups for recent matches against the USA and two March qualifiers but now thinks he is ready for action. He said it had been a long road back from injury but is thankful for the support he has had.

“It is probably the biggest learning experience in my life so far,” Gomez said of his return from injury. “I am just happy to be back at the top of my game again and by extension being back on the national team and representing Trinidad and Tobago again.”
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Tallman on June 04, 2021, 02:49:36 PM
WATCH: No letting up - Soca Warriors continue to build up to Bahamas clash

https://www.youtube.com/v/MYtFUbHKKt8
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on June 04, 2021, 03:00:52 PM
Guyana is losing 2-0 at HT versus St. Kitts Nevis.
Title: National defender Shannon Gomez anticipates 'big game' against Bahamas
Post by: Tallman on June 04, 2021, 03:09:16 PM
National defender Shannon Gomez anticipates 'big game' against Bahamas
T&T Newsday


SOCA Warriors defender Shannon Gomez said the FIFA World Cup Concacaf Zone qualifying match against Bahamas is crucial as every game is like a final.

TT will play Bahamas at 5 pm on Saturday in Bahamas and will then travel to Dominican Republic to face St Kitts/Nevis on Tuesday.

TT’s match against St Kitts/Nevis is a home game for the Soca Warriors, but the match will not be played in Trinidad because of the quarantine rules. People entering TT must quarantine for 14 days.

World Cup qualifying matches are played in a tight FIFA window therefore it is not practical for matches to be held in Trinidad.

TT are second in Group F with four points behind leaders St Kitts/Nevis. TT eased past Guyana 3-0 in their opening match of World Cup qualifying on March 25, before being held to a 1-1 draw by Puerto Rico on March 28.

In an interview with TT Football Association media, Gomez said, “This is a big game for us. We need to take every game as a final so we need to go into this game with a lot of confidence. Obviously it is two important games (and) we need six points. This is just an opportunity for a lot of new guys also to show their faces for the coach (Terry Fenwick) on the national team.”

Discussing the conditions in Bahamas, Gomez said, “Some of the conditions are no different to back home in Trinidad, but also Bahamas will be playing on the same pitch so I think that we need to play to the best of our ability regardless. Come out in the game strong, score our chances and put the game to bed.”

Keston Julien, speaking about the campaign so far, said, “I think everything is going very well with the coach, how he (wants us to play). Everyone is fighting for their spot and I think everything is positive and I think the three points will come in the Bahamas game once we take it with the right mindset and we will go on to the next game and try to get the three points as well.”

Julien, who last played for TT in 2019, wants to bring quality to the national team.

“Between now and 2019 I think I developed more as a player. I know what the national team wants, what they want to do…I would say for sure my defending (has improved), tactical wise I improved a lot. My coaches taught me a lot so I just coming to bring this to the national team now.”

US-based defender Neveal Hackshaw joined the TT camp on Thursday and trained with the rest of the squad in the evening session at the Thomas Robinson Stadium training pitch. Midfielder and captain Khaleem Hyland is scheduled to arrive on Friday.

In related news, all members of the TT contingent returned negative covid19 test results on Wednesday.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on June 04, 2021, 03:39:09 PM
Guyana is losing 2-0 at HT versus St. Kitts Nevis.

Romaine Sawyers netted a 3rd. 72 minutes played.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on June 04, 2021, 04:06:14 PM
Guyana is losing 2-0 at HT versus St. Kitts Nevis.

Romaine Sawyers netted a 3rd. 72 minutes played.

Goodbye Guyana! 3-0 FT.

The relevance of the fiasco letdown in Mayaguez returns.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: pull stones on June 04, 2021, 05:01:56 PM
Guyana is losing 2-0 at HT versus St. Kitts Nevis.

Romaine Sawyers netted a 3rd. 72 minutes played

Goodbye Guyana! 3-0 FT.

The relevance of the fiasco letdown in Mayaguez returns.
there you go again mate, we went to PR and drew big deal, I’m sure st kitts would have gotten the same results in PR if not worst. st kitts had a good draw so far with their two hardest games being on home soil, let’s see what they have on Tuesday away from home and against a formidable opponent. I always say you can’t die twice, so no sense worrying about the out come. the lads just needs to go out there and leave everything on the field especially come tuesday.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: pull stones on June 04, 2021, 05:08:26 PM
I honestly expected better from guyana, they just totally crapped themselves on this game. I actually picked them to alps least draw this one.
Title: Trinidad and Tobago wary of underdog Bahamas in FIFA World Cup qualifier
Post by: Tallman on June 05, 2021, 08:30:21 AM
Trinidad and Tobago wary of underdog Bahamas in FIFA World Cup qualifier
By Jelani Beckles (T&T Newsday)


THE SOCA Warriors will be wary of the underdog when they tackle Bahamas in a 2022 FIFA World Cup qualifying match at the Thomas Robinson Stadium in Nassau, Bahamas, from 5 pm, on Saturday.

Following the match against Bahamas, T&T will travel to Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic to face St Kitts/Nevis on Tuesday.

T&T’s match against St Kitts/Nevis is a home game for the Soca Warriors, but the match will not be played in Trinidad because of the quarantine rules. People entering T&T must quarantine for 14 days.

World Cup qualifying matches are played in a tight FIFA window therefore it is not practical for matches to be held in Trinidad.

T&T are third in Group F with four points behind leaders St Kitts/Nevis (nine points) and Puerto Rico (four points).

T&T eased past Guyana 3-0 in their opening match of World Cup qualifying on March 25, before being held to a 1-1 draw by Puerto Rico on March 28.

On Friday, speaking to journalists on Zoom ahead of the match against Bahamas, T&T coach Terry Fenwick said, “We recognise coming for this game here that we can’t take any game for granted. Football around the world quite often (you) here about the underdog coming through so we making sure we are prepared properly.”

Bahamas are at the bottom of the standings in Group F with zero points after suffering three defeats. In their most recent match, Bahamas fell to a heavy 7-0 defeat to Puerto Rico on Wednesday.

Fenwick added, “We will approach the game as professionally as possible. We have good players in the camp already whose been working hard on the training ground. We’ve been looking at our system of play and our game plan.”

Defender Sheldon Bateau echoed the sentiments of his coach. “We don’t want to take them lightly at all. We know we are the favourites going into the game, but it is about proving that on the day…that’s what we looking to do. We want to have a good start, we want to have a good performance,” Bateau said.

Luke Singh, Nicklas Frenderup and Jomal Williams are not available for Saturday’s game for various reasons. Frenderup's partner had a child recently. Fenwick said he is uncertain when the trio will join the team.

Speaking about what strategy fans can expect from T&T, Fenwick said, “Over the course of 90 minutes you looking to change your setup to the different periods of the game. Obviously in the early stages is when people got energy in their bodies. We will be keeping it very tight. We will be organised and professional and keeping every tight at that stage and as the game rolls on we will see how it plays out.”

T&T’s preparation between March and Saturday’s qualifier has not been ideal as the Soca Warriors have not played any international friendlies.

Discussing the team’s buildup to Saturday’s encounter, Fenwick said, “It has not been easy at all because of the lack of games that we’ve had. We have not had any friendly games coming in for these qualifiers, so everything that we’ve done has been on the training ground.”

In related news, St Kitts/Nevis brushed aside Guyana 3-0 in their qualifier on Friday.

T&T SQUAD:

Goalkeepers – Adrian Foncette, Denzil Smith.

Defenders – Radanfah Abu Bakr, Robert Primus, Keston Julien, Shannon Gomez, Sheldon Bateau, Aubrey David, Justin Garcia, Jesse Williams, Neveal Hackshaw, Noah Powder, Joevin Jones.

Midfielders – Duane Muckette, Michel Poon-Angeron, Andre Fortune II, Daniel Phillips, Judah Garcia, Khaleem Hyland, Levi Garcia.

Forwards – Daniel Carr, Ryan Telfer.

Coach – Terry Fenwick.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: madness on June 05, 2021, 08:51:42 AM
are they going to show this game today on any local channel in trinidad or any International channels?
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: kounty on June 05, 2021, 09:00:21 AM
Trinidad and Tobago wary of underdog Bahamas in FIFA World Cup qualifier
By Jelani Beckles (T&T Newsday)


T&T SQUAD:

Goalkeepers – Adrian Foncette, Denzil Smith.

Defenders – Radanfah Abu Bakr, Robert Primus, Keston Julien, Shannon Gomez, Sheldon Bateau, Aubrey David, Justin Garcia, Jesse Williams, Neveal Hackshaw, Noah Powder, Joevin Jones.

Midfielders – Duane Muckette, Michel Poon-Angeron, Andre Fortune II, Daniel Phillips, Judah Garcia, Khaleem Hyland, Levi Garcia.

Forwards – Daniel Carr, Ryan Telfer.

Coach – Terry Fenwick.




(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2flJEEXMAI44Bp?format=jpg&name=large)

so gg3 didn't make the cut?
Title: Re: Trinidad and Tobago wary of underdog Bahamas in FIFA World Cup qualifier
Post by: ABTrini on June 05, 2021, 09:32:18 AM
Trinidad and Tobago wary of underdog Bahamas in FIFA World Cup qualifier
By Jelani Beckles (T&T Newsday)


THE SOCA Warriors will be wary of the underdog when they tackle Bahamas in a 2022 FIFA World Cup qualifying match at the Thomas Robinson Stadium in Nassau, Bahamas, from 5 pm, on Saturday.

Following the match against Bahamas, T&T will travel to Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic to face St Kitts/Nevis on Tuesday.

T&T’s match against St Kitts/Nevis is a home game for the Soca Warriors, but the match will not be played in Trinidad because of the quarantine rules. People entering T&T must quarantine for 14 days.

World Cup qualifying matches are played in a tight FIFA window therefore it is not practical for matches to be held in Trinidad.

T&T are third in Group F with four points behind leaders St Kitts/Nevis (nine points) and Puerto Rico (four points).

T&T eased past Guyana 3-0 in their opening match of World Cup qualifying on March 25, before being held to a 1-1 draw by Puerto Rico on March 28.

On Friday, speaking to journalists on Zoom ahead of the match against Bahamas, T&T coach Terry Fenwick said, “We recognise coming for this game here that we can’t take any game for granted. Football around the world quite often (you) here about the underdog coming through so we making sure we are prepared properly.”

You know5 years ago I felt TF should have been involved at some capacity with the national team but at this current time I am not too sure he has the  aptitutue to inspire and instill confidence so.eybased on his messaging and deployment of players. This is my personal opinion garnered from readingsand observing the games.
Look all teams are undergoing similar challenges with game prep and impact of COVID.So why is St Kitts having success running the table? It has come to this where we are reading headlines like TnT weary of Bahamas! At least when Lawerence was at the heals he outwardly declared his intention to build  a team to once more be  the number one in the region. Currently in this campaign we are facing must wins against countries with smaller talent pools.
Why would a coach approach each game with  what seems like disclaimers in the event of a poor performance? If you dot have friendliest make your training  competitive- simulate game situations- be on the ball have a seaming offence and create a defence that blanket  the attackers. Faxk man yuh getting PAID 20 k US to coach and produce a competitive team- your salary alone could pay the monthly income of St Kitts
 Go read some books of inspiring coaches rather than resorting to yelling tapping up men and trying to buff them up that they is massa tactics from plantation days.

Bahamas are at the bottom of the standings in Group F with zero points after suffering three defeats. In their most recent match, Bahamas fell to a heavy 7-0 defeat to Puerto Rico on Wednesday.

Fenwick added, “We will approach the game as professionally as possible. We have good players in the camp already whose been working hard on the training ground. We’ve been looking at our system of play and our game plan.”

Defender Sheldon Bateau echoed the sentiments of his coach. “We don’t want to take them lightly at all. We know we are the favourites going into the game, but it is about proving that on the day…that’s what we looking to do. We want to have a good start, we want to have a good performance,” Bateau said.

Luke Singh, Nicklas Frenderup and Jomal Williams are not available for Saturday’s game for various reasons. Frenderup's partner had a child recently. Fenwick said he is uncertain when the trio will join the team.

Speaking about what strategy fans can expect from T&T, Fenwick said, “Over the course of 90 minutes you looking to change your setup to the different periods of the game. Obviously in the early stages is when people got energy in their bodies. We will be keeping it very tight. We will be organised and professional and keeping every tight at that stage and as the game rolls on we will see how it plays out.”

T&T’s preparation between March and Saturday’s qualifier has not been ideal as the Soca Warriors have not played any international friendlies.

Discussing the team’s buildup to Saturday’s encounter, Fenwick said, “It has not been easy at all because of the lack of games that we’ve had. We have not had any friendly games coming in for these qualifiers, so everything that we’ve done has been on the training ground.”

In related news, St Kitts/Nevis brushed aside Guyana 3-0 in their qualifier on Friday.

T&T SQUAD:

Goalkeepers – Adrian Foncette, Denzil Smith.

Defenders – Radanfah Abu Bakr, Robert Primus, Keston Julien, Shannon Gomez, Sheldon Bateau, Aubrey David, Justin Garcia, Jesse Williams, Neveal Hackshaw, Noah Powder, Joevin Jones.

Midfielders – Duane Muckette, Michel Poon-Angeron, Andre Fortune II, Daniel Phillips, Judah Garcia, Khaleem Hyland, Levi Garcia.

Forwards – Daniel Carr, Ryan Telfer.

Coach – Terry Fenwick.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Tallman on June 05, 2021, 11:00:02 AM
PREVIEW: Bahamas vs Trinidad and Tobago

https://www.youtube.com/v/hlotDfrK9pw
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Peong on June 05, 2021, 12:17:49 PM
Live at 5 on paramount+ for those that have it
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: lil damo on June 05, 2021, 02:21:21 PM
Any links?
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on June 05, 2021, 02:23:18 PM
Foncette
Julien
Bateau
David
Gomez
Fortune
Muckette
Hackshaw
Jones
Telfer
Garcia


Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: chinee boi on June 05, 2021, 02:56:29 PM
are they going to show this game today on any local channel in trinidad or any International channels?

http://www.hesgoal.com/news/81385/Bahamas_vs_Trinidad_and_Tobago.html
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Trini _2026 on June 05, 2021, 03:14:35 PM
lets go guys
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Peong on June 05, 2021, 03:21:04 PM
Well that was a chance. Poor connection on the pass by Bateau I think gave the keeper a chance to block. Then a point blank block by the Bah captain
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on June 05, 2021, 03:24:02 PM
I don't want to send any alarm bells. But this team hasn't even scored as yet. They look very poor with the ball. I mean VERY. . Yikes

Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: chelsealife on June 05, 2021, 03:25:09 PM
I agree they not looking good at all.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Flex on June 05, 2021, 03:27:11 PM
T&T XI (x Bahamas): 22.Adrian Foncette (GK); 2.Aubrey David, 4.Sheldon Bateau (captain), 15.Neveal Hackshaw; 16.Shannon Gomez, 10.Duane Muckette, 14.Andre Fortune II, 13.Keston Julien; 11.Levi Garcia, 3.Joevin Jones, 7.Ryan Telfer.

Substitutes: 1.Denzil Smith (GK), 5.Judah Garcia, 6.Radanfah Abu Bakr, 8.Khaleem Hyland (captain), 9.Daniel Carr, 12.Robert Primus, 17.Justin Garcia, 18.Michel Poon-Angeron, 19.Daniel Phillips, 20.Noah Powder, 22.Jesse Williams.

Standbys: Nickel Orr, Gary Griffith III, Hashim Arcia.



Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on June 05, 2021, 03:29:03 PM
It's confirmed in my books. Fenwick is not the man for the job. These guys have no tactics. It's like they ain't know what to do when they get the ball.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Savannah boy on June 05, 2021, 03:29:54 PM
https://www.facebook.com/242Football/videos/1033890814014938/
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Trini _2026 on June 05, 2021, 03:30:18 PM
My gosh man
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Trini _2026 on June 05, 2021, 03:32:58 PM
fenwick talks alot ....we struggling in attack
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Dinner Mints on June 05, 2021, 03:34:45 PM
Bahamas commentator say he not impressed, yes.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Trini _2026 on June 05, 2021, 03:37:51 PM
they nearly score
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Peong on June 05, 2021, 03:40:15 PM
Their defender almost score.
Telfer almost score.
Fortune almost score
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: MEP on June 05, 2021, 03:40:59 PM
and this is why Fenwick wanted to be coach?
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on June 05, 2021, 03:42:09 PM
They almost score again. Wtf. .
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Thomo on June 05, 2021, 03:42:17 PM
Again JJ is a mere passenger, playing very safe, all his passes are backwards, not running at players as he used to. I guess he's at the end of his tether and playing it safe and committing to club football now. 🤷🏾‍♂️
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on June 05, 2021, 03:45:46 PM
Wow. I hope that this is part of a masterplan.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: MEP on June 05, 2021, 03:48:42 PM
Fenwick has as much tactics as a cat on a hot tin roof
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: chelsealife on June 05, 2021, 03:56:05 PM
This entire team is a disappointment. From coach to players. Now is the time to get rid of Fenwick because he's out of it
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on June 05, 2021, 03:58:37 PM
This entire team is a disappointment. From coach to players. Now is the time to get rid of Fenwick because he's out of it

Maybe a loss might be a blessing in disguise as it will mean the ousting of Fenwick.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on June 05, 2021, 03:59:37 PM
Fenwick has as much tactics as a cat on a hot tin roof

 :rotfl: :rotfl:  :rotfl:

Sadly.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on June 05, 2021, 04:01:17 PM
This entire team is a disappointment. From coach to players. Now is the time to get rid of Fenwick because he's out of it

Maybe a loss might be a blessing in disguise as it will mean the ousting of Fenwick.

Appssss! No. Win and then we could pursue nuclear options.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Peong on June 05, 2021, 04:02:00 PM
When we build up the play Bahamas playing very deep, it hard to get in behind. Also Levi Garcia had a few bad touches, the turf look bumpy. Their keeper is doing well on those reaction saves. I would look for some shots from outside and hope Telfer can put in any rebounds. Some early crosses too. Good luck warriors
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on June 05, 2021, 04:03:35 PM
Bahamas commentator say he not impressed, yes.

And Bahamas has grown into the game.

Perhaps the first scoreless half against Bahamas this WC qualifying.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: chelsealife on June 05, 2021, 04:04:37 PM
Well let's see how the second half goes. Backing the team 100% just disappointed. Levi doesn't seem like a player at the level he should be
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on June 05, 2021, 04:06:20 PM
Commentator: Good game by Bahamas today. :banginghead:
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on June 05, 2021, 04:11:27 PM
Bahamas coach: RELAXED

Fenwick: STRESSED
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: chelsealife on June 05, 2021, 04:14:52 PM
Hackshaw have Fenwick nudes awa. Wth steups
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on June 05, 2021, 04:24:00 PM
Time for a mid-half no vote of confidence or declaration of a State of Emergency.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: lefty on June 05, 2021, 04:26:04 PM
Bahamas people so boring and uninteresting ??? dis commentary put Selwin Melville to shame for boring....not dat d game providing any thrills anyway
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on June 05, 2021, 04:30:39 PM
Every WC campaign has a shock/upset. And it looks as if we are the victims.

Fenwick will resign. I believe one condition is to qualify for the next round. If not he'll be axed.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: MEP on June 05, 2021, 04:32:26 PM
We need a tactical change ....de nutsman for Fenwick
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: lil damo on June 05, 2021, 04:35:13 PM
The attacking play of this team is very very poor. Everything breaks down in the final third. They lack ideas In the final third
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: frico on June 05, 2021, 04:35:51 PM
We may still win this 1-0 and beat St.Kitts 2-1 and go on to beat teams like Costa Rica,Honduras,Mexico,USA and Jamaica,then top the Hex and qualify for WC 2022 .
This is the worst football I have ever had the misfortune to sit down and watch.What a load of dumbf**ks I had to watch,and I am talking about those shithounds playing for Trinidad.Not one of those even hold a ball and move it around just a little,they are all a load of planks,win or draw.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on June 05, 2021, 04:36:41 PM
pull stones where yah?
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: lefty on June 05, 2021, 04:36:53 PM
dat is some of d worst football I see in a while nobady appears to have a brain
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: chelsealife on June 05, 2021, 04:37:04 PM
Imagine Fenwick press conference after the match saying we played well smh
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: MEP on June 05, 2021, 04:38:07 PM
so Fenwick coaching points ....closer ...2nd balls ...and 2 touch
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: lefty on June 05, 2021, 04:44:35 PM
I could do fenwick job better and I have no experience
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Trini _2026 on June 05, 2021, 04:48:05 PM
ahh well this is it folks no stikers at all
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on June 05, 2021, 04:49:13 PM
Game almost done. Embarrassing.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on June 05, 2021, 04:50:46 PM
Imagine Fenwick press conference after the match saying we played well smh

I hope he walks with his check book to give the NC/TTFA a refund.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: lefty on June 05, 2021, 04:52:28 PM
I glad I didn't remember dis game...watchin d whole ting woulda be torture
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on June 05, 2021, 04:53:14 PM
Wow.. unbelievable. Puerto Rico game was a sign. I knew Fenwick wasn't cut out for the job after watching the 1-1 draw.

Fenwick go resign
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Trini _2026 on June 05, 2021, 04:55:22 PM
imagine this we have to rebuild he needs to go
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: lefty on June 05, 2021, 04:55:46 PM
we boy :bs: >:(
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Trini _2026 on June 05, 2021, 04:55:58 PM
we are eliminated !!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on June 05, 2021, 04:56:06 PM
Goodbye. .

St Kitts partying now. .

Who is willing to bet that gold cup qualifying will be played with pro league players. I can't see any of the 1st team guys wanting to play for Fenwick again.

Lawrence was a way better coach.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Brownsugar on June 05, 2021, 04:56:47 PM
What de arse??!!

Well can't say I'm surprised.....with all the crap going on with Trinidad & Tobago Football administration.....Stevie Wonder could have seen this coming!!

Steups!!

Weary must be rolling over in she grave.... :'( :'(
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Dinner Mints on June 05, 2021, 04:57:26 PM
Bahamas people so boring and uninteresting ??? dis commentary put Selwin Melville to shame for boring....not dat d game providing any thrills anyway
I like them. They kicksing on their own team. I enjoy the freedom in that.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: FF on June 05, 2021, 05:01:53 PM
Sell we soul and take normalization committee for this  :rotfl:

God don't like ugly


Enjoy
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: soccerman on June 05, 2021, 05:02:32 PM
we are eliminated !!!!!!!!!!
The rebuilding begins now, there needs to be change.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Trini Madness on June 05, 2021, 05:03:24 PM
They didn't try, they flat out did not try this game.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: pull stones on June 05, 2021, 05:04:12 PM
pull stones where yah?
bahamas parked the bus, ain’t nothing much you could do about that. they didn’t come to play football they came to spoiler, I guess kudos to them on a superb effort in that regard.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Peong on June 05, 2021, 05:05:16 PM
We created enough chances, Bahamas keeper was man of the match.
 :cursing:
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Brownsugar on June 05, 2021, 05:05:35 PM
Goodbye. .

St Kitts partying now. .

Who is willing to bet that gold cup qualifying will be played with pro league players. I can't see any of the 1st team guys wanting to play for Fenwick again.

Lawrence was a way better coach.

Unbelievable!!!
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on June 05, 2021, 05:05:50 PM
They didn't try, they flat out did not try this game.

Yes. I would have prefer a loss against SK instead of this.

Fenwick will resign. He won't stick around to get fired.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Trini _2026 on June 05, 2021, 05:06:04 PM
pull stones where yah?
bahamas parked the bus, ain’t nothing much you could do about that. they didn’t come to play football they came to spoiler, I guess kudos to them on a superb effort in that regard.

we had more than enough chances .. just one of those games .....
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Trini _2026 on June 05, 2021, 05:07:08 PM
They didn't try, they flat out did not try this game.

Yes. I would have prefer a loss against SK instead of this.

Fenwick will resign. He won't stick around to get fired.

if he get fired they have to buy him out .... if we dont get into the gold up group stages  his contract does not get extended
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Brownsugar on June 05, 2021, 05:07:47 PM
Sell we soul and take normalization committee for this  :rotfl:

God don't like ugly


Enjoy

Ent!!   Talk de tings!!!! 
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on June 05, 2021, 05:08:02 PM
pull stones where yah?
bahamas parked the bus, ain’t nothing much you could do about that. they didn’t come to play football they came to spoiler, I guess kudos to them on a superb effort in that regard.

Like yuh show up. .

Many of us seen it in the PR game fam. This team looked disjointed. Fenwick actually did worse than Sainfete.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: pull stones on June 05, 2021, 05:08:39 PM
we are eliminated !!!!!!!!!!
The rebuilding begins now, there needs to be change.
what reee you talking about? they need to build full stop. start by putting a solid league together and getting the ministry or some benevolent foreigner to build a few academies because heaven knows that theTTFA ain’t gonna do it.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on June 05, 2021, 05:09:13 PM
They didn't try, they flat out did not try this game.

Yes. I would have prefer a loss against SK instead of this.

Fenwick will resign. He won't stick around to get fired.

if he get fired they have to buy him out .... if we dont get into the gold up group stages  his contract does not get extended

I think qualification to the next round was also part of the condition for renewal.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Brownsugar on June 05, 2021, 05:10:02 PM
It all started to go downhill in recent times once Hart was fired!! 

As FF say, God really doh like DJW/Infantino/Hadad ugly
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on June 05, 2021, 05:11:42 PM
pull stones where yah?
bahamas parked the bus, ain’t nothing much you could do about that. they didn’t come to play football they came to spoiler, I guess kudos to them on a superb effort in that regard.

Wish it was as simple as that.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: pull stones on June 05, 2021, 05:13:42 PM
pull stones where yah?
bahamas parked the bus, ain’t nothing much you could do about that. they didn’t come to play football they came to spoiler, I guess kudos to them on a superb effort in that regard.

Like yuh show up. .

Many of us seen it in the PR game fam. This team looked disjointed. Fenwick actually did worse than Sainfete.
you actually believe this is the coaches fault? Well I selling the red house next week for a dollar, care to put in a bid? jovin Jones missed a point blank header in the dying stages of the game, and many more terrible decisions all contributed to this loss. yes the coach has a lot of blame to take, but when players blowing easy chances and making poor decisions then who’s to blame?
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on June 05, 2021, 05:15:17 PM
It all started to go downhill in recent times once Hart was fired!! 

As FF say, God really doh like DJW/Infantino/Hadad ugly

Yes. You see how well things were progressing between 2013 to 2016.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: royal on June 05, 2021, 05:15:40 PM
we done
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on June 05, 2021, 05:19:25 PM
pull stones where yah?
bahamas parked the bus, ain’t nothing much you could do about that. they didn’t come to play football they came to spoiler, I guess kudos to them on a superb effort in that regard.

Like yuh show up. .

Many of us seen it in the PR game fam. This team looked disjointed. Fenwick actually did worse than Sainfete.
you actually believe this is the coaches fault? Well I selling the red house next week for a dollar, care to put in a bid? jovin Jones missed a point blank header in the dying stages of the game, and many more terrible decisions all contributed to this loss. yes the coach has a lot of blame to take, but when players blowing easy chances and making poor decisions then who’s to blame?

I agree to a certain extent. I will go out on a limb and say Fenwick don't have the kind of rapport, SH and even DL had with the players.

Fenwick teaching them to play pro league ball.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on June 05, 2021, 05:19:53 PM
we are eliminated !!!!!!!!!!

We are doomed.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: pull stones on June 05, 2021, 05:21:51 PM
pull stones where yah?
bahamas parked the bus, ain’t nothing much you could do about that. they didn’t come to play football they came to spoiler, I guess kudos to them on a superb effort in that regard.

Wish it was as simple as that.
did you not watch the game? the Bahamian back line did not cross midfield once, in fact they stayed between the top of the box and maybe five yards beyond, if that’s not parking the bus then I don’t know what is. players rolling on the ground faining injury and running down the clock like they were up 2 nil in a league cup final, if that’s not parking the bus then I don’t know what is, and for what? they should have done that against PR. it’s ah tough luck, I’m not bothered, we were t going Qatar anyway so who cares.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on June 05, 2021, 05:23:43 PM
pull stones where yah?
bahamas parked the bus, ain’t nothing much you could do about that. they didn’t come to play football they came to spoiler, I guess kudos to them on a superb effort in that regard.

Like yuh show up. .

Many of us seen it in the PR game fam. This team looked disjointed. Fenwick actually did worse than Sainfete.
you actually believe this is the coaches fault? Well I selling the red house next week for a dollar, care to put in a bid? jovin Jones missed a point blank header in the dying stages of the game, and many more terrible decisions all contributed to this loss. yes the coach has a lot of blame to take, but when players blowing easy chances and making poor decisions then who’s to blame?

YES!!! There's no escaping the first 45 minutes.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on June 05, 2021, 05:25:28 PM
pull stones where yah?
bahamas parked the bus, ain’t nothing much you could do about that. they didn’t come to play football they came to spoiler, I guess kudos to them on a superb effort in that regard.

Wish it was as simple as that.
did you not watch the game? the Bahamian back line did not cross midfield once, in fact they stayed between the top of the box and maybe five yards beyond, if that’s not parking the bus then I don’t know what is. players rolling on the ground faining injury and running down the clock like they were up 2 nil in a league cup final, if that’s not parking the bus then I don’t know what is, and for what? they should have done that against PR. it’s ah tough luck, I’m not bothered, we were t going Qatar anyway so who cares.

Teams park the bus all the time. You telling me Fenwick didn't know that and did not plan for that? A good coach knows how to exploit that.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Trini _2026 on June 05, 2021, 05:26:40 PM
pull stones where yah?
bahamas parked the bus, ain’t nothing much you could do about that. they didn’t come to play football they came to spoiler, I guess kudos to them on a superb effort in that regard.

Like yuh show up. .

Many of us seen it in the PR game fam. This team looked disjointed. Fenwick actually did worse than Sainfete.
you actually believe this is the coaches fault? Well I selling the red house next week for a dollar, care to put in a bid? jovin Jones missed a point blank header in the dying stages of the game, and many more terrible decisions all contributed to this loss. yes the coach has a lot of blame to take, but when players blowing easy chances and making poor decisions then who’s to blame?

he pick the players to start ? he refuse to look at other local players pick players who eh deserve ah pic etc etc
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on June 05, 2021, 05:30:06 PM
pull stones where yah?
bahamas parked the bus, ain’t nothing much you could do about that. they didn’t come to play football they came to spoiler, I guess kudos to them on a superb effort in that regard.

Wish it was as simple as that.
did you not watch the game? the Bahamian back line did not cross midfield once, in fact they stayed between the top of the box and maybe five yards beyond, if that’s not parking the bus then I don’t know what is. players rolling on the ground faining injury and running down the clock like they were up 2 nil in a league cup final, if that’s not parking the bus then I don’t know what is, and for what? they should have done that against PR. it’s ah tough luck, I’m not bothered, we were t going Qatar anyway so who cares.

There are established tactics for resolving that. 90 minutes went by and we saw none of them. But tell yuh what, this loss draw was so nonsensical, it doesn't make sense to pick the match apart.

As for our chances on goal, think about the blind squirrel and the nut.

Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on June 05, 2021, 05:30:31 PM
Pull stones, guys who watched the PR game knew we were doomed. After watching the first 20 mins of this game, and no goal was scored, I called it. Even though it is a tie, it feel like a loss. And rightfully so. Every team scored multiple goals on BAH. And we give them they first clean sheet in about 15 years. Embarrassing.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: royal on June 05, 2021, 05:30:37 PM
has anyone asked why the players didn't perform? Ah wonder why.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Trinidogg on June 05, 2021, 05:30:47 PM
I don’t care if you gotta buy that guy out his contract Terri gotta go for the sake of the Nation let’s start over. Mr. Fenwick leaving will be where we start.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: lefty on June 05, 2021, 05:32:11 PM
It all started to go downhill in recent times once Hart was fired!! 

As FF say, God really doh like DJW/Infantino/Hadad ugly

Yes. You see how well things were progressing between 2013 to 2016.

d NC with d help of Andre Baptiste will wrap this around United TTFA and Fenwick neck and dat will be d end of dat....
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: pull stones on June 05, 2021, 05:32:42 PM
we are eliminated !!!!!!!!!!

We are doomed.
stewwppss. Mate you all should start supporting another national team then, maybe Canada or jamaica. I’ve had my fair share of disappoints in football so I’m thick skinned. I supported westbrom for years even when we were in league one and Birmingham city and villa fans used to take the piss on us, I’ve been there for the relegations and the upsets, I’m also a colchester fan so I’ve had my share of heartaches.

 we won’t be the first team to be eliminated by a big bus parked in front of goal by some cheeky f**kers. like I said before this team did not come to play, they came to spoil the party. not a terribly hard tactic to implement, just flood the midfield and put up a five man defense in front of goal. that actually does the trick.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on June 05, 2021, 05:35:02 PM
It all started to go downhill in recent times once Hart was fired!! 

As FF say, God really doh like DJW/Infantino/Hadad ugly

Yes. You see how well things were progressing between 2013 to 2016.

d NC with d help of Andre Baptiste will wrap this around United TTFA and Fenwick neck and dat will be d end of dat....


Yes. They will. Then we go hear that players had to use they own money to cover expenses that the TTFA/NC was supposed to.

This is a loss in my books. A LOSS.

Where is the fire TF thread?
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: ricop001 on June 05, 2021, 05:35:14 PM
TnT  did not  show any  intensity.   IT seem they only picked up  the intensity after  80  min, that is a port  game plan.  They had 90% of the possession  but have no  finishers.
Guess we need better players,  better coach or both.   What was the game plan?   Did they know they needed to  win to go  to the next round?   Sad!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on June 05, 2021, 05:38:28 PM
Pull stones, guys who watched the PR game knew we were doomed. After watching the first 20 mins of this game, and no goal was scored, I called it. Even though it is a tie, it feel like a loss. And rightfully so. Every team scored multiple goals on BAH. And we give them they first clean sheet in about 15 years. Embarrassing.

All week long I'm talking to pull stones about goal production and he lost the plot. To make it worst, even just the number of chances we had on goal is piss poor compared to chances on goal of other opponents in matches versus the Bahamas.

Not to mention the calibre of chances had by the Bahamas.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Anbrat on June 05, 2021, 05:41:59 PM
What was the final score?
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Trini _2026 on June 05, 2021, 05:46:28 PM
Well i guess this is it for molino hyland  etc
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: pull stones on June 05, 2021, 05:49:47 PM
You guys killed you know that? so we loss the bloody game and we’re out, that’s life!! don’t make it harder than it already is. The fact remains we have no youth de elopement system, no youth league, no academy system, a unattended league with no structure, yet when we underachieve you heap blame on the wrong people.

Why not start with the people who actually should be held responsible like the ministry of sports who never build one full time football school, the local regional stake holders who still play football on community playgrounds where every one uses, the people who voted for camps and Warner for two decades who has done absolutely nothing to advance football for in 25 years.

so don’t blame fenwick, start with the players who can’t score a sitter in the box, or the local club coaches who never taught their players the basics like passing and shielding a ball properly, or the federation presidents who were only in football to seek their own interest and the people who facilitated them. yes fenwick should go for the simple fact that he was unable to motivate the players, but was losing his fault, did he blow any of those chance tonight?
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on June 05, 2021, 05:52:03 PM
Goal production, tactics. Exactly.

BAH turned the little chances they had into good scoring opportunities.

BAH first clean sheet in years.

Anyone see the possession numbers? Yikes.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Savannah boy on June 05, 2021, 05:52:44 PM
I don’t care if you gotta buy that guy out his contract Terri gotta go for the sake of the Nation let’s start over. Mr. Fenwick leaving will be where we start.
I still eh forgive him for securing a game vs. the USA using players he had no clue about. Now I understand why Roger Milla played for so long. You see any replacements fuh KJ and Bound to Score? None. Nought. Zippo. Every time we play a game now, is a set of new players we seeing. Fenwick had no continuity. No set squad. Foreign, local or otherwise.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on June 05, 2021, 05:56:42 PM
You guys killed you know that? so we loss the bloody game and we’re out, that’s life!! don’t make it harder than it already is. The fact remains we have no youth de elopement system, no youth league, no academy system, a unattended league with no structure, yet when we underachieve you heap blame on the wrong people.

Why not start with the people who actually should be held responsible like the ministry of sports who never build one full time football school, the local regional stake holders who still play football on community playgrounds where every one uses, the people who voted for camps and Warner for two decades who has done absolutely nothing to advance football for in 25 years.

so don’t blame fenwick, start with the players who can’t score a sitter in the box, or the local club coaches who never taught their players the basics like passing and shielding a ball properly, or the federation presidents who were only in football to seek their own interest and the people who facilitated them. yes fenwick should go for the simple fact that he was unable to motivate the players, but was losing his fault, did he blow any of those chance tonight?

Fenwick's fault hands down. Even at our worst, we should not have lost this game. Our guys are much more talented than BAH. If you watched the PR game and this one, you will see that these guys didn't know what to do. They waiting on Fenwick instructions.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on June 05, 2021, 06:01:19 PM
I don’t care if you gotta buy that guy out his contract Terri gotta go for the sake of the Nation let’s start over. Mr. Fenwick leaving will be where we start.
I still eh forgive him for securing a game vs. the USA using players he had no clue about. Now I understand why Roger Milla played for so long. You see any replacements fuh KJ and Bound to Score? None. Nought. Zippo. Every time we play a game now, is a set of new players we seeing. Fenwick had no continuity. No set squad. Foreign, local or otherwise.

A good coach is supposed to identify the gaps. And fill them. Teams always experience things like that. To be fair to TF, yes he was working with no true striker like KJ, or KM. But how do we explain 3 goals against Guyana.. who actually beat BAH by 4.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: pull stones on June 05, 2021, 06:11:17 PM
You guys killed you know that? so we loss the bloody game and we’re out, that’s life!! don’t make it harder than it already is. The fact remains we have no youth de elopement system, no youth league, no academy system, a unattended league with no structure, yet when we underachieve you heap blame on the wrong people.

Why not start with the people who actually should be held responsible like the ministry of sports who never build one full time football school, the local regional stake holders who still play football on community playgrounds where every one uses, the people who voted for camps and Warner for two decades who has done absolutely nothing to advance football for in 25 years.

so don’t blame fenwick, start with the players who can’t score a sitter in the box, or the local club coaches who never taught their players the basics like passing and shielding a ball properly, or the federation presidents who were only in football to seek their own interest and the people who facilitated them. yes fenwick should go for the simple fact that he was unable to motivate the players, but was losing his fault, did he blow any of those chance tonight?

Fenwick's fault hands down. Even at our worst, we should not have lost this game. Our guys are much more talented than BAH. If you watched the PR game and this one, you will see that these guys didn't know what to do. They waiting on Fenwick instructions.
I don’t agree. It wasn’t fenwick who missed an open net in the dying stages of a must win game. The reality is that we don’t have quality players, there’s no one in any leagues in Britain at all and instead are playing in unrecognizable leagues around asia and europe. let’s be honest here, if you have quality then a coach matters but little. Just face it mate our players really really lack quality and that’s the bottom line they are piss poor.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Sando prince on June 05, 2021, 06:16:40 PM

Not surprised.Poor results have been happening for some time now in recent years. We just have continued since Dennis Lawrence with the poor results
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: soccerman on June 05, 2021, 06:19:16 PM
we are eliminated !!!!!!!!!!
The rebuilding begins now, there needs to be change.
what reee you talking about? they need to build full stop. start by putting a solid league together and getting the ministry or some benevolent foreigner to build a few academies because heaven knows that theTTFA ain’t gonna do it.
I hear you and we do need to build but we should focus on the youths now, I think it's time to part ways with some of older players. I actually agree with you in the set-up of academies but we can take a blueprint of countries like Iceland and invest in youth coaches being certified with on-going training. Maybe have them pay and refund them after 6 months of steady coaching so we know it's going to use. I say the focus should be younger players. Time we do it the right way.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Deeks on June 05, 2021, 06:19:24 PM
Goodbye. .

St Kitts partying now. .

Who is willing to bet that gold cup qualifying will be played with pro league players. I can't see any of the 1st team guys wanting to play for Fenwick again.

Lawrence was a way better coach.


Lawrence was a way better coach.


So now Dennis looking like a hero ?
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Deeks on June 05, 2021, 06:20:39 PM
we are eliminated !!!!!!!!!!
The rebuilding begins now, there needs to be change.
what reee you talking about? they need to build full stop. start by putting a solid league together and getting the ministry or some benevolent foreigner to build a few academies because heaven knows that theTTFA ain’t gonna do it.
I hear you and we do need to build but we should focus on the youths now, I think it's time to part ways with some of older players. I actually agree with you in the set-up of academies but we can take a blueprint of countries like Iceland and invest in youth coaches being certified with on-going training. Maybe have them pay and refund them after 6 months of steady coaching so we know it's going to use. I say the focus should be younger players. Time we do it the right way.

Who funding the the academies, Haddad?
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: pull stones on June 05, 2021, 06:26:39 PM

Not surprised.Poor results have been happening for some time now in recent years. We just have continued since Dennis Lawrence with the poor results
poor league, poor federation, no player developement programs, poor coaching development programs, no money spend on football by local sponsorship or the state, just piss poor football administration, so what you expect miracles? maybe this will finally be the wake up call we’ve been needing. in a way I’m elated that we’ve loss. maybe our citizens will wake up and finally decide to do something drastic about football.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on June 05, 2021, 06:31:44 PM
You guys killed you know that? so we loss the bloody game and we’re out, that’s life!! don’t make it harder than it already is. The fact remains we have no youth de elopement system, no youth league, no academy system, a unattended league with no structure, yet when we underachieve you heap blame on the wrong people.

Why not start with the people who actually should be held responsible like the ministry of sports who never build one full time football school, the local regional stake holders who still play football on community playgrounds where every one uses, the people who voted for camps and Warner for two decades who has done absolutely nothing to advance football for in 25 years.

so don’t blame fenwick, start with the players who can’t score a sitter in the box, or the local club coaches who never taught their players the basics like passing and shielding a ball properly, or the federation presidents who were only in football to seek their own interest and the people who facilitated them. yes fenwick should go for the simple fact that he was unable to motivate the players, but was losing his fault, did he blow any of those chance tonight?

Fenwick's fault hands down. Even at our worst, we should not have lost this game. Our guys are much more talented than BAH. If you watched the PR game and this one, you will see that these guys didn't know what to do. They waiting on Fenwick instructions.
I don’t agree. It wasn’t fenwick who missed an open net in the dying stages of a must win game. The reality is that we don’t have quality players, there’s no one even in the lower leagues in Britain at all our guys are playing in in lower leagues around asia and europe. let’s be honest here, if you have quality then a coach matters but little. Just face it mate, our players really really lack quality and that’s the bottom line they are piss poor.

Ok. .

Listen all of our players are professionals. They get paid to play. BAH on the other hand may have 1 professional who gets paid. This means our players are better.

So ask yourself this question, How can a team with only 1 professional player pull off a result against a team of professionals? It's because the coaching is bad. Not because BAH is better. .

When a team of technically more skilled players loses to a team with much less skill, the culprit is the coaching. Let me remind you BAH lost to every team in the group. It is BAH, not Haiti. . It is BAH, not Curacao. It is BAH, a team that starts every qualifications campaign knowing that they ain't go make it to the next round.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on June 05, 2021, 06:33:01 PM
Goodbye. .

St Kitts partying now. .

Who is willing to bet that gold cup qualifying will be played with pro league players. I can't see any of the 1st team guys wanting to play for Fenwick again.

Lawrence was a way better coach.


Lawrence was a way better coach.


So now Dennis looking like a hero ?

You tell me Deeks. Who would you rather have as coach for the BAH game. DL would have been better prepared.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Deeks on June 05, 2021, 06:38:16 PM

Not surprised.Poor results have been happening for some time now in recent years. We just have continued since Dennis Lawrence with the poor results
poor league, poor federation, no player developement programs, poor coaching development programs, no money spend on football by local sponsorship or the state, just piss poor football administration, so what you expect miracles? maybe this will finally be the wake up call we’ve been needing. in a way I’m elated that we’ve loss. maybe our citizens will wake up and finally decide to do something drastic about football.


maybe our citizens will wake up and finally decide to do something drastic about football.

People not support anything unless the team winning. Win first then they go wake up and everything go fall in place.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: pull stones on June 05, 2021, 06:41:32 PM
we are eliminated !!!!!!!!!!
The rebuilding begins now, there needs to be change.
what reee you talking about? they need to build full stop. start by putting a solid league together and getting the ministry or some benevolent foreigner to build a few academies because heaven knows that theTTFA ain’t gonna do it.
I hear you and we do need to build but we should focus on the youths now, I think it's time to part ways with some of older players. I actually agree with you in the set-up of academies but we can take a blueprint of countries like Iceland and invest in youth coaches being certified with on-going training. Maybe have them pay and refund them after 6 months of steady coaching so we know it's going to use. I say the focus should be younger players. Time we do it the right way.
thank you for being level headed after such an emotional crush, but the reality remains that we must invest in the sport. gone are the days when players made it on talent alone. we actually live in an era of tactical ability in sports where if you’re not technically trained the game will leave you behind, and that’s what is happening to us as we speak, we’re being left behind in the dust where We’re actually struggling to beat teams we normally would steam roll. I for one am happy that this is happening to us, maybe now someone will get up and pound the desk and say enough is enough, no more plasters on chop wounds. let’s finally get up and operate to heal this wound instead of treating it with a brand new coach.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Deeks on June 05, 2021, 06:43:55 PM
Goodbye. .

St Kitts partying now. .

Who is willing to bet that gold cup qualifying will be played with pro league players. I can't see any of the 1st team guys wanting to play for Fenwick again.

Lawrence was a way better coach.


Lawrence was a way better coach.


So now Dennis looking like a hero ?

You tell me Deeks. Who would you rather have as coach for the BAH game. DL would have been better prepared.

The fact is DL was heavily criticised on this forum when he coached the team. We lost some close games. DL did not deliver so he had to pay the price. I don't think he was a terrible coach. They just did not win the close games. Well the US game was an exception. Plus having DJW as the top admin. did not help his case one bit.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: pull stones on June 05, 2021, 06:48:06 PM

Not surprised.Poor results have been happening for some time now in recent years. We just have continued since Dennis Lawrence with the poor results
poor league, poor federation, no player developement programs, poor coaching development programs, no money spend on football by local sponsorship or the state, just piss poor football administration, so what you expect miracles? maybe this will finally be the wake up call we’ve been needing. in a way I’m elated that we’ve loss. maybe our citizens will wake up and finally decide to do something drastic about football.


maybe our citizens will wake up and finally decide to do something drastic about football.

People not support anything unless the team winning. Win first then they go wake up and everything go fall in place.
im talking about our citizens who’s in charge of football, not the fans. the regional zonal membership, the sanchos, the look loys, the harfords, the Shelby browns, Ferguson’s, the club owners, the businessmen, the minister of sports, everyone who has a say in how the sport in administered on the both islands. we are running on fumes ATM.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on June 05, 2021, 06:49:53 PM
GoP like he feeling light-headed.  ;D
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Sando prince on June 05, 2021, 06:50:03 PM
Wait ah minute now. I will never for one second say Dennis Lawrence was a good coach. If we agree Fenwick is not a good coach, that does not make Lawrence a better or good coach. When DL got the team it was in bad condition and we declined A LOT under him as coach. Do allyuh want me to remind you what was T&T record against other teams when DL was coach? Regardless T&T football is at the worse stage I can ever remember.
And honestly this result is not a surprise because we have been struggling against Caribbean opposition for the last couple years and it is not because they got better, it is simply because we got worse. Our problems start at youth level and the national team will never be successful until we correct the issues at youth level.

Anyway I saw this very interesting response to today's loss.. https://tinyurl.com/5xwchrnh
.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on June 05, 2021, 06:50:16 PM
we are eliminated !!!!!!!!!!
The rebuilding begins now, there needs to be change.
what reee you talking about? they need to build full stop. start by putting a solid league together and getting the ministry or some benevolent foreigner to build a few academies because heaven knows that theTTFA ain’t gonna do it.
I hear you and we do need to build but we should focus on the youths now, I think it's time to part ways with some of older players. I actually agree with you in the set-up of academies but we can take a blueprint of countries like Iceland and invest in youth coaches being certified with on-going training. Maybe have them pay and refund them after 6 months of steady coaching so we know it's going to use. I say the focus should be younger players. Time we do it the right way.
thank you for being level headed after such an emotional crush, but the reality remains that we must invest in the sport. gone are the days when players made it on talent alone. we actually live in an era of tactical ability in sports where if you’re not technically trained the game will leave you behind, and that’s what is happening to us as we speak, we’re being left behind in the dust where We’re actually struggling to beat teams we normally would steam roll. I for one am happy that this is happening to us, maybe now someone will get up and pound the desk and say enough is enough, no more plasters on chop wounds. let’s finally get up and operate to heal this wound instead of treating it with a brand new coach.

Pullstones I agree that the infrastructure is lacking and that development is key. Our current squad is still lacking. But a draw to PR, then to BAH tells the story of a bad coach. Because our lads are much more skilled than PR and BAH.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Sando prince on June 05, 2021, 06:52:15 PM

Wait ah minute now. I will never for one second say Dennis Lawrence was a good coach. If we agree Fenwick is not a good coach, that does not make Lawrence a better or good coach. When DL got the team it was in bad condition and we declined A LOT under him as coach. Do allyuh want me to remind you what was T&T record against other teams when DL was coach? Regardless T&T football is at the worse stage I can ever remember.
And honestly this result is not a surprise. we have been struggling against Caribbean opposition for the last couple years and it is not because they got better, it is simply because we got worse. Our problems start at youth level and the national team will never be successful until we correct the issues at youth level.

Anyway I saw this very interesting response to today's loss.. https://tinyurl.com/5xwchrnh
.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: pull stones on June 05, 2021, 06:52:50 PM
Goodbye. .

St Kitts partying now. .

Who is willing to bet that gold cup qualifying will be played with pro league players. I can't see any of the 1st team guys wanting to play for Fenwick again.

Lawrence was a way better coach.


Lawrence was a way better coach.


So now Dennis looking like a hero ?

You tell me Deeks. Who would you rather have as coach for the BAH game. DL would have been better prepared.

The fact is DL was heavily criticised on this forum when he coached the team. We lost some close games. DL did not deliver so he had to pay the price. I don't think he was a terrible coach. They just did not win the close games. Well the US game was an exception. Plus having DJW as the top admin. did not help his case one bit.
even if we bring pep or Jose to coach these lads we will faulter. in all honesty these guys seriously lack quality and are unmotivated. TBH none these guys would make a Jamaican team as we speak, we seriously lack quality mate and that’s the truth.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on June 05, 2021, 06:53:25 PM
we are eliminated !!!!!!!!!!
The rebuilding begins now, there needs to be change.
what reee you talking about? they need to build full stop. start by putting a solid league together and getting the ministry or some benevolent foreigner to build a few academies because heaven knows that theTTFA ain’t gonna do it.
I hear you and we do need to build but we should focus on the youths now, I think it's time to part ways with some of older players. I actually agree with you in the set-up of academies but we can take a blueprint of countries like Iceland and invest in youth coaches being certified with on-going training. Maybe have them pay and refund them after 6 months of steady coaching so we know it's going to use. I say the focus should be younger players. Time we do it the right way.
thank you for being level headed after such an emotional crush, but the reality remains that we must invest in the sport. gone are the days when players made it on talent alone. we actually live in an era of tactical ability in sports where if you’re not technically trained the game will leave you behind, and that’s what is happening to us as we speak, we’re being left behind in the dust where We’re actually struggling to beat teams we normally would steam roll. I for one am happy that this is happening to us, maybe now someone will get up and pound the desk and say enough is enough, no more plasters on chop wounds. let’s finally get up and operate to heal this wound instead of treating it with a brand new coach.

Pullstones I agree that the infrastructure is lacking and that development is key. Our current squad is still lacking. But a draw to PR, then to BAH tells the story of a bad coach. Because our lads are much more skilled than PR and BAH.

Yet, they didn't lose either match. You calling Dennis name on the basis of Anguilla isn't exactly a ... hate to say it ...  isn't exactly a winning proposition. But, here's the difference between DL and TF: DL will coach the Warriors again. TF not.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Sando prince on June 05, 2021, 06:54:39 PM
DL record when coach of T&T speaks for itself. He is definition of poor and sad. As for Fenwick I am also not convinced he is ready for the job. But TnT football problems go beyond who is coach right now
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on June 05, 2021, 06:59:31 PM
Goodbye. .

St Kitts partying now. .

Who is willing to bet that gold cup qualifying will be played with pro league players. I can't see any of the 1st team guys wanting to play for Fenwick again.

Lawrence was a way better coach.


Lawrence was a way better coach.


So now Dennis looking like a hero ?

You tell me Deeks. Who would you rather have as coach for the BAH game. DL would have been better prepared.

The fact is DL was heavily criticised on this forum when he coached the team. We lost some close games. DL did not deliver so he had to pay the price. I don't think he was a terrible coach. They just did not win the close games. Well the US game was an exception. Plus having DJW as the top admin. did not help his case one bit.
even if we bring pep or Jose to coach these lads we will faulter. in all honesty these guys seriously lack quality and are unmotivated. TBH none these guys would make a Jamaican team as we speak, we seriously lack quality mate and that’s the truth.

Neither Pep nor Jose was losing this match. And Jose wasn't falling for the imaginary bus.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on June 05, 2021, 07:01:37 PM
Wait ah minute now. I will never for one second Dennis Lawrence was a good coach. If we agree Fenwick is not a good coach, that does not make Lawrence a better or good coach. When DL got the team it was in bad condition and we declined A LOT under him as coach. Do allyuh want me to remind you what was T&T record against other teams when DL was coach? Regardless T&T football is at the worse stage I can ever remember.
And honestly this result is not a surprise because we have been struggling against Caribbean opposition for the last couple years and it is not because they got better, it is simply because we got worse. Our problems start at youth level and the national team will never be successful until we correct the issues at youth level.

Anyway I saw this very interesting response to today's loss.. https://tinyurl.com/5xwchrnh
.

DL had better tactics. I am not calling him to come back. But there was a bit more hope with the ball under DL.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: pull stones on June 05, 2021, 07:02:48 PM


Wait ah minute now. I will never for one second Dennis Lawrence was a good coach. If we agree Fenwick is not a good coach, that does not make Lawrence a better or good coach. When DL got the team it was in bad condition and we declined A LOT under him as coach. Do allyuh want me to remind you what was T&T record against other teams when DL was coach? Regardless T&T football is at the worse stage I can ever remember.
And honestly this result is not a surprise. we have been struggling against Caribbean opposition for the last couple years and it is not because they got better, it is simply because we got worse. Our problems start at youth level and the national team will never be successful until we correct the issues at youth level.

Anyway I saw this very interesting response to today's loss.. https://tinyurl.com/5xwchrnh
.
but wait, haven’t I been preaching all that and more day and night for the past five years? and how will our players respect the national colors when our federation treat them like hogs off to market with the shitty stipends shoddy hotels and tedious travel arrangements and money still owed after years of service to the national team? they just had a federation president over thrown before their very eyes and the football stakeholders went right along with it. I say when our federation, the government and cooperate TT finally gets serious with football, then football would get serious with us.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on June 05, 2021, 07:04:20 PM
Wait ah minute now. I will never for one second Dennis Lawrence was a good coach. If we agree Fenwick is not a good coach, that does not make Lawrence a better or good coach. When DL got the team it was in bad condition and we declined A LOT under him as coach. Do allyuh want me to remind you what was T&T record against other teams when DL was coach? Regardless T&T football is at the worse stage I can ever remember.
And honestly this result is not a surprise because we have been struggling against Caribbean opposition for the last couple years and it is not because they got better, it is simply because we got worse. Our problems start at youth level and the national team will never be successful until we correct the issues at youth level.

Anyway I saw this very interesting response to today's loss.. https://tinyurl.com/5xwchrnh
.

DL had better tactics. I am not calling him to come back. But there was a bit more hope with the ball under DL.

Damn GoP, ah sure yuh wouldn't recognize your own posts from the DL era. :rotfl:

How many matches did DL play WITH Molino?
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on June 05, 2021, 07:05:40 PM
we are eliminated !!!!!!!!!!
The rebuilding begins now, there needs to be change.
what reee you talking about? they need to build full stop. start by putting a solid league together and getting the ministry or some benevolent foreigner to build a few academies because heaven knows that theTTFA ain’t gonna do it.
I hear you and we do need to build but we should focus on the youths now, I think it's time to part ways with some of older players. I actually agree with you in the set-up of academies but we can take a blueprint of countries like Iceland and invest in youth coaches being certified with on-going training. Maybe have them pay and refund them after 6 months of steady coaching so we know it's going to use. I say the focus should be younger players. Time we do it the right way.
thank you for being level headed after such an emotional crush, but the reality remains that we must invest in the sport. gone are the days when players made it on talent alone. we actually live in an era of tactical ability in sports where if you’re not technically trained the game will leave you behind, and that’s what is happening to us as we speak, we’re being left behind in the dust where We’re actually struggling to beat teams we normally would steam roll. I for one am happy that this is happening to us, maybe now someone will get up and pound the desk and say enough is enough, no more plasters on chop wounds. let’s finally get up and operate to heal this wound instead of treating it with a brand new coach.

Pullstones I agree that the infrastructure is lacking and that development is key. Our current squad is still lacking. But a draw to PR, then to BAH tells the story of a bad coach. Because our lads are much more skilled than PR and BAH.

Yet, they didn't lose either match. You calling Dennis name on the basis of Anguilla isn't exactly a ... hate to say it ...  isn't exactly a winning proposition. But, here's the difference between DL and TF: DL will coach the Warriors again. TF not.

I guess so. All I saying is that the team look like they had a plan under DL.. Well at least for many of the games he coached. When I seen the PR game, I knew the team would not be getting much better than that. Low and behold, a loss to a 201 rank team.. A team that starts every campaign knowing they aint coming out of the first round. 
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on June 05, 2021, 07:08:17 PM
Wait ah minute now. I will never for one second Dennis Lawrence was a good coach. If we agree Fenwick is not a good coach, that does not make Lawrence a better or good coach. When DL got the team it was in bad condition and we declined A LOT under him as coach. Do allyuh want me to remind you what was T&T record against other teams when DL was coach? Regardless T&T football is at the worse stage I can ever remember.
And honestly this result is not a surprise because we have been struggling against Caribbean opposition for the last couple years and it is not because they got better, it is simply because we got worse. Our problems start at youth level and the national team will never be successful until we correct the issues at youth level.

Anyway I saw this very interesting response to today's loss.. https://tinyurl.com/5xwchrnh
.

DL had better tactics. I am not calling him to come back. But there was a bit more hope with the ball under DL.

Damn GoP, ah sure yuh wouldn't recognize your own posts from the DL era. :rotfl:

How many matches did DL play WITH Molino?

I cant recall. My point is that we look better under DL than Fenwick. Did you see the PR and BAH game? Compare that with any of the games under DL. Even the ones we get we arse handed to. We scored in CR, Panama.. but not a goal against BAH.. 

DL has a better approach. I aint calling him to come back. But if I had to choose between the two, I will take my chances with DL again.. As much as I wouldnt want to.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: pull stones on June 05, 2021, 07:10:00 PM
Wait ah minute now. I will never for one second Dennis Lawrence was a good coach. If we agree Fenwick is not a good coach, that does not make Lawrence a better or good coach. When DL got the team it was in bad condition and we declined A LOT under him as coach. Do allyuh want me to remind you what was T&T record against other teams when DL was coach? Regardless T&T football is at the worse stage I can ever remember.
And honestly this result is not a surprise because we have been struggling against Caribbean opposition for the last couple years and it is not because they got better, it is simply because we got worse. Our problems start at youth level and the national team will never be successful until we correct the issues at youth level.

Anyway I saw this very interesting response to today's loss.. https://tinyurl.com/5xwchrnh
.

DL had better tactics. I am not calling him to come back. But there was a bit more hope with the ball under DL.
mate Dennis lawrence went 17 games without a win, finally winning against Anguilla in a friendly set up by fat boy just too boost moral. fenwick lost one game, won one game and drew two, plus fenwick beat guyana whom lawrence failed to beat. I don’t get the comparison?
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on June 05, 2021, 07:14:25 PM
Ah doh care how many SORRY structural problems exist in T&T football. This match was not drawn because of them. Nor was the PR match drawn because of them.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on June 05, 2021, 07:15:47 PM
Wait ah minute now. I will never for one second Dennis Lawrence was a good coach. If we agree Fenwick is not a good coach, that does not make Lawrence a better or good coach. When DL got the team it was in bad condition and we declined A LOT under him as coach. Do allyuh want me to remind you what was T&T record against other teams when DL was coach? Regardless T&T football is at the worse stage I can ever remember.
And honestly this result is not a surprise because we have been struggling against Caribbean opposition for the last couple years and it is not because they got better, it is simply because we got worse. Our problems start at youth level and the national team will never be successful until we correct the issues at youth level.

Anyway I saw this very interesting response to today's loss.. https://tinyurl.com/5xwchrnh
.

DL had better tactics. I am not calling him to come back. But there was a bit more hope with the ball under DL.
mate Dennis lawrence went 17 games without a win, finally winning against Anguilla in a friendly set up by fat boy just too boost moral. fenwick lost one game, won one game and drew two, plus fenwick beat guyana whom lawrence failed to beat.

Ok. Good point.  I leaving it there.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on June 05, 2021, 07:18:22 PM
Ah doh care how many SORRY structural problems exist in T&T football. This match was not drawn because of them. Nor was the PR match drawn because of them.

I agree.. So what was the reason?
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on June 05, 2021, 07:23:39 PM
Ah doh care how many SORRY structural problems exist in T&T football. This match was not drawn because of them. Nor was the PR match drawn because of them.

I agree.. So what was the reason?

Our approach to the match was WRONG!
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: pull stones on June 05, 2021, 07:24:52 PM
DL record when coach of T&T speaks for itself. He is definition of poor and sad. As for Fenwick I am also not convinced he is ready for the job. But TnT football problems go beyond who is coach right now
thank you very much,I’ve been waiting to hear those words. Our problems go way beyond coaching. our lads severely lack quality and proper developmental skills, in fact the record shows that most of our defeats and failures came from a lack of mental development. we are blessed in trinidad with talented children, but we let them down repeatedly with our zooish third world complaisance and primordial incompetence.

 in all honesty, how bloody hard is it to build five academies around the country, hire the English, German, Italians, dutch and Spaniards as developmental coaches in these schools geared only for football and academics,  build a proper domestic league with promotion and relegation while funding play grounds with a 10 seating capacity like we have in the conference league, how bloody hard could that be for a country with billions? but these monkeys in TT use football as a get rich scheme instead of doing right by the sport, and as a result the sport suffers.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: ffisback on June 05, 2021, 07:24:57 PM
Look Loy dam you dam you dam you :banginghead: :frustrated: :cursing:
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: lil damo on June 05, 2021, 07:25:31 PM
You guys killed you know that? so we loss the bloody game and we’re out, that’s life!! don’t make it harder than it already is. The fact remains we have no youth de elopement system, no youth league, no academy system, a unattended league with no structure, yet when we underachieve you heap blame on the wrong people.

Why not start with the people who actually should be held responsible like the ministry of sports who never build one full time football school, the local regional stake holders who still play football on community playgrounds where every one uses, the people who voted for camps and Warner for two decades who has done absolutely nothing to advance football for in 25 years.

so don’t blame fenwick, start with the players who can’t score a sitter in the box, or the local club coaches who never taught their players the basics like passing and shielding a ball properly, or the federation presidents who were only in football to seek their own interest and the people who facilitated them. yes fenwick should go for the simple fact that he was unable to motivate the players, but was losing his fault, did he blow any of those chance tonight?

Fenwick's fault hands down. Even at our worst, we should not have lost this game. Our guys are much more talented than BAH. If you watched the PR game and this one, you will see that these guys didn't know what to do. They waiting on Fenwick instructions.
I don’t agree. It wasn’t fenwick who missed an open net in the dying stages of a must win game. The reality is that we don’t have quality players, there’s no one even in the lower leagues in Britain at all our guys are playing in in lower leagues around asia and europe. let’s be honest here, if you have quality then a coach matters but little. Just face it mate, our players really really lack quality and that’s the bottom line they are piss poor.

Ok. .

Listen all of our players are professionals. They get paid to play. BAH on the other hand may have 1 professional who gets paid. This means our players are better.

So ask yourself this question, How can a team with only 1 professional player pull off a result against a team of professionals? It's because the coaching is bad. Not because BAH is better. .

When a team of technically more skilled players loses to a team with much less skill, the culprit is the coaching. Let me remind you BAH lost to every team in the group. It is BAH, not Haiti. . It is BAH, not Curacao. It is BAH, a team that starts every qualifications campaign knowing that they ain't go make it to the next round.

Well said
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: lil damo on June 05, 2021, 07:30:34 PM
We have to stop blaming the coaches of this team and look closely at the collective lack of quality within the squad. We need better administration, infrastructure and programming to develop better quality players. We haven’t produced good players and as a result each coach we put in keeps getting blamed when the team disappoints. Stop looking at the coaches and start looking at the quality of players available.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on June 05, 2021, 07:30:58 PM
Ah doh care how many SORRY structural problems exist in T&T football. This match was not drawn because of them. Nor was the PR match drawn because of them.

I agree.. So what was the reason?

Our approach to the match was WRONG!

I think Fenwick did not focus on getting the early goal. His approach was to wear them down in the 1st half then turn on the engine and win the 2nd half.  That's what it looked like to me.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: pull stones on June 05, 2021, 07:34:30 PM
Look Loy dam you dam you dam you :banginghead: :frustrated: :cursing:
what about damn jack and DJW? I feel good to see idiots like you in pain, if you could stay hurting I’d settle to see us losing for the next ten years. What about damn skeen and romany who refused to listen to benhakker, wim risebergen, francisco maturana and Otto fister who all told them to fix the league and raise the standard of play, but instead took offense to foreigners telling them what to do? this bullshit didn’t start yesterday, it’s been decaces in the making and now the fruits of our labor, or lack thereof is bearing.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: pull stones on June 05, 2021, 07:35:49 PM
We have to stop blaming the coaches of this team and look closely at the collective lack of quality within the squad. We need better administration, infrastructure and programming to develop better quality players. We haven’t produced good players and as a result each coach we put in keeps getting blamed when the team disappoints. Stop looking at the coaches and start looking at the quality of players available.
thank you very much. :beermug:
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on June 05, 2021, 07:39:03 PM
We have to stop blaming the coaches of this team and look closely at the collective lack of quality within the squad. We need better administration, infrastructure and programming to develop better quality players. We haven’t produced good players and as a result each coach we put in keeps getting blamed when the team disappoints. Stop looking at the coaches and start looking at the quality of players available.
thank you very much. :beermug:

Yep I know there are structural issues too.  But in this case, it was the TFs tactics. Pros shouldn't lose/tie to non pros. When it happens, it's the coaches approach.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on June 05, 2021, 07:40:56 PM
Ah doh care how many SORRY structural problems exist in T&T football. This match was not drawn because of them. Nor was the PR match drawn because of them.

I agree.. So what was the reason?

Our approach to the match was WRONG!

I think Fenwick did not focus on getting the early goal. His approach was to wear them down in the 1st half then turn on the engine and win the 2nd half.  That's what it looked like to me.

Nah. He wanted to win in the first half. There was NOTHING to wear down: it was the bloody BAH.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: pull stones on June 05, 2021, 07:42:26 PM
TT football in a nut shell for the past 25 years has been one step forward 10 steps backward, and in light of that I say it’s time for serious planning which should be implemented ASAP to take us out of this rot, thats if those donkeys even realize it instead of playing the blame game. I gone.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on June 05, 2021, 07:43:52 PM
We have to stop blaming the coaches of this team and look closely at the collective lack of quality within the squad. We need better administration, infrastructure and programming to develop better quality players. We haven’t produced good players and as a result each coach we put in keeps getting blamed when the team disappoints. Stop looking at the coaches and start looking at the quality of players available.

How much more quality was required? We were the more experienced team.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on June 05, 2021, 07:45:25 PM
TT football in a nut shell for the past 25 years has been one step forward 10 steps backward, and in light of that I say it’s time for serious planning which should be implemented ASAP to take us out of this rot, thats if those donkeys even realize it instead of playing the blame game. I gone.

Yes. But how do you explain 2012 to 2016 under Hart ? The best we looked in years.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on June 05, 2021, 07:45:49 PM
We have to stop blaming the coaches of this team and look closely at the collective lack of quality within the squad. We need better administration, infrastructure and programming to develop better quality players. We haven’t produced good players and as a result each coach we put in keeps getting blamed when the team disappoints. Stop looking at the coaches and start looking at the quality of players available.

How much more quality was required? We were the more experienced team.

Thank you
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Sando prince on June 05, 2021, 08:17:08 PM
What de arse??!!

Well can't say I'm surprised.....with all the crap going on with Trinidad & Tobago Football administration.....Stevie Wonder could have seen this coming!!

Steups!!

Weary must be rolling over in she grave.... :'( :'(

I really miss weary posts. especially when she say STEUPSE  :D
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: ffisback on June 05, 2021, 08:38:04 PM
Look Loy dam you dam you dam you :banginghead: :frustrated: :cursing:
what about damn jack and DJW? I feel good to see idiots like you in pain, if you could stay hurting I’d settle to see us losing for the next ten years. What about damn skeen and romany who refused to listen to benhakker, wim risebergen, francisco maturana and Otto fister who all told them to fix the league and raise the standard of play, but instead took offense to foreigners telling them what to do? this bullshit didn’t start yesterday, it’s been decaces in the making and now the fruits of our labor, or lack thereof is bearing.
At least J Warner was hiring decent coach's who knew what they were doing unlike Tim Kee ,D J Williams and Look Loy who was hiring there friends like J Shabazz ,S Heart  ,D Lawrence and T Fenwick know wonder TT football have been going downhill ever since.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Tallman on June 05, 2021, 08:51:54 PM
WATCH: Post-match comments from Head Coach Terry Fenwick after Trinidad and Tobago's 0-0 draw with Bahamas

https://www.youtube.com/v/Wc-Wngaem_g
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: soccerman on June 05, 2021, 08:52:10 PM
We have to stop blaming the coaches of this team and look closely at the collective lack of quality within the squad. We need better administration, infrastructure and programming to develop better quality players. We haven’t produced good players and as a result each coach we put in keeps getting blamed when the team disappoints. Stop looking at the coaches and start looking at the quality of players available.

How much more quality was required? We were the more experienced team.
I'm no TF fan, ever since he hit that youth player in his head back in the day, he lost my respect not to mention that salary he demanded for this job.
In the first 25mins of the game we should've been up 3-0. We missed some sitters. It did show we were the more experienced team and we were able to break them down. I left and came back at the 70th minute and shocked the game was still 0-0 so can't really comment there. Despite the lack of tactical adjustments, are the players not to take some blame for their performance in terms of missed chances?
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: pull stones on June 05, 2021, 10:12:51 PM
Look Loy dam you dam you dam you :banginghead: :frustrated: :cursing:
what about damn jack and DJW? I feel good to see idiots like you in pain, if you could stay hurting I’d settle to see us losing for the next ten years. What about damn skeen and romany who refused to listen to benhakker, wim risebergen, francisco maturana and Otto fister who all told them to fix the league and raise the standard of play, but instead took offense to foreigners telling them what to do? this bullshit didn’t start yesterday, it’s been decaces in the making and now the fruits of our labor, or lack thereof is bearing.
At least J Warner was hiring decent coach's who knew what they were doing unlike Tim Kee ,D J Williams and Look Loy who was hiring there friends like J Shabazz ,S Heart  ,D Lawrence and T Fenwick know wonder TT football have been going downhill ever since.
listen nancy if you're going to sell a story at least make it believable. jack warner for starters hired one good coach in his whole 25 miserable years of wrecking TT football while filling his filthy pockets., that coach ironically was leo benhakker, he then went on to hire a hand ful of inconsequential coaches who made no significant impact like wim, maturana, latapy and otto fister who got us kicked out in the early rounds of the world cup just like fenwick.

the string of bad results we're seeing today is as a consequence of jack warner's legacy, he has done zero for the development of football not only in TT but in CFU as a whole. as for mr timkee, he achieved in one term what mr warner has failed to do in his years as head huncho, he has achieved our highest fifa ranking where our football was gaining respect again, in fact his legacy lead us to two gold cup semi finals and a world cup hex since 2009.

so go ahead and bad mouth steve hart and fenwick you bloody racist asshole, that would make TT football better. it's wankers like you who have us in this condition because you can't see beyond you bullshit. the disgruntled loud mouth trini know it all syndrome is rife in you, always talking but could never put anything of value into fruition.

and this is why we will suck ass until we get brutally honest with ourselves, it's not bad coaching and tactics that have us in termol, it's our lack of vision and planning that's reaping the terrible rewards of our foolishness. so blame fenwick and hart and the other white men that peeves you, that would make things better now. as for me, i'm hoping someone with vision would rise from the ashes and finally stand up for TT football and change this insidious narrative. amd don't bother to reply mate, i just can't stand you and people like you who blame the misfortunes of this country on people who are trying their best to make a difference while exonerating the real villains, you make me sick in every fiber of my being.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Tiresais on June 06, 2021, 12:18:28 AM
F me that was depressing. Let's start by acknowledging thr TTFA is the root cause of our persistent failure.

That said, what the actual F is Fenwick doing for his money? He came in all Billy big bollocks, claiming left and right he was the man, staggered in with arrogance that all previous work was pointless, getting rid or ignoring the scouting network built while he watched YouTube in his underwear for players.

He brought in the wrong players and doesn't have a clear tactic or strategy in mind. I'm honestly surprised but perhaps he thought discipline was enough? Maybe he bought into neo-colonial attitudes of "they're all lazy and undisciplined". I'm an Englishman so no claims of bias against him here - he had his shot and has failed awfully. Every single player on our squad would walk into The Bahamas, and we were held to 0-0.

Don't give me bollocks of near chances, Bahamas have been absolutely battered by worse teams. You only get here from a lack of confidence in yourself and the manager, poor tactics and a lack of motivation from your coach.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: ffisback on June 06, 2021, 01:08:35 AM
Look Loy dam you dam you dam you :banginghead: :frustrated: :cursing:
what about damn jack and DJW? I feel good to see idiots like you in pain, if you could stay hurting I’d settle to see us losing for the next ten years. What about damn skeen and romany who refused to listen to benhakker, wim risebergen, francisco maturana and Otto fister who all told them to fix the league and raise the standard of play, but instead took offense to foreigners telling them what to do? this bullshit didn’t start yesterday, it’s been decaces in the making and now the fruits of our labor, or lack thereof is bearing.
At least J Warner was hiring decent coach's who knew what they were doing unlike Tim Kee ,D J Williams and Look Loy who was hiring there friends like J Shabazz ,S Heart  ,D Lawrence and T Fenwick know wonder TT football have been going downhill ever since.
listen nancy if you're going to sell a story at least make it believable. jack warner for starters hired one good coach in his whole 25 miserable years of wrecking TT football while filling his filthy pockets., that coach ironically was leo benhakker, he then went on to hire a hand ful of inconsequential coaches who made no significant impact like wim, maturana, latapy and otto fister who got us kicked out in the early rounds of the world cup just like fenwick.

the string of bad results we're seeing today is as a consequence of jack warner's legacy, he has done zero for the development of football not only in TT but in CFU as a whole. as for mr timkee, he achieved in one term what mr warner has failed to do in his years as head huncho, he has achieved our highest fifa ranking where our football was gaining respect again, in fact his legacy lead us to two gold cup semi finals and a world cup hex since 2009.

so go ahead and bad mouth steve hart and fenwick you bloody racist asshole, that would make TT football better. it's wankers like you who have us in this condition because you can't see beyond you bullshit. the disgruntled loud mouth trini know it all syndrome is rife in you, always talking but could never put anything of value into fruition.

and this is why we will suck ass until we get brutally honest with ourselves, it's not bad coaching and tactics that have us in termol, it's our lack of vision and planning that's reaping the terrible rewards of our foolishness. so blame fenwick and hart and the other white men that peeves you, that would make things better now. as for me, i'm hoping someone with vision would rise from the ashes and finally stand up for TT football and change this insidious narrative. amd don't bother to reply mate, i just can't stand you and people like you who blame the misfortunes of this country on people who are trying their best to make a difference while exonerating the real villains, you make me sick in every fiber of my being.
Once you said Leo Benhakker was the only good coach J Warner hired I know you is just another bandwagonist just coming on the site to yap your gums if Russel Latapy never came out of retirement Leo Benhakker would have been another failed coach that came to TT the other coach's was good also.

Tim Kee legacy would be how he put the TTFF in depth by giving all those inflated bogus contracts to his friends D J Williams was wright not to pay them that money and to say TK help get TT to the gold cup semifinals twice you better stop smoking that spliff mate the only time TT reach a gold cup semifinal was in 2000 so get your facts straight mate.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on June 06, 2021, 02:22:00 AM
We have to stop blaming the coaches of this team and look closely at the collective lack of quality within the squad. We need better administration, infrastructure and programming to develop better quality players. We haven’t produced good players and as a result each coach we put in keeps getting blamed when the team disappoints. Stop looking at the coaches and start looking at the quality of players available.

How much more quality was required? We were the more experienced team.
I'm no TF fan, ever since he hit that youth player in his head back in the day, he lost my respect not to mention that salary he demanded for this job.
In the first 25mins of the game we should've been up 3-0. We missed some sitters. It did show we were the more experienced team and we were able to break them down. I left and came back at the 70th minute and shocked the game was still 0-0 so can't really comment there. Despite the lack of tactical adjustments, are the players not to take some blame for their performance in terms of missed chances?

Wait until yuh see the chances.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on June 06, 2021, 02:39:01 AM
has anyone asked why the players didn't perform? Ah wonder why.

Have they been fully paid?
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Deeks on June 06, 2021, 07:42:37 AM
Given that handicap SH did a hell of a job. DJW didn't look at his overall achievements under less than desirable conditions. The main reason he got fired was because of his skin colour.

I beg to differ that SH got fired because he was white. Is like me saying local coaches don't get a fair shot because they Black. I feel he got fired because TT had lost to Haiti in Panama in a one off game to go to the Conmebol tournament. The other which I think was the final straw, was when Stephen stood up to DJW about the team going on a tour to Equatorial Guinea just after they came back from a tour of China or Japan(can't remember exactly).

 I always felt DJW wanted to clear house when he won election. The winner always want their own people( Haddad has his own people). But DJW could not fire him because there would have been a backlash. Stephen was doing a good job(in my opinion). Yes we bump hurdles in two GC quarter finals, but we played some of our best football against the CONCacaf number one team, Mexico. But the two things I mentioned earlier, I think were the reason for SH firing.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Deeks on June 06, 2021, 07:56:09 AM
And for those who say that TT have issues with foreign coaches need to look at the history of national team coaches hired from the time we started playing WC in 66. We have hired many foreigners(good and bad) among the list. And the reason Jack hired Beenhaker was because he was getting plenty bwah for hiring Atkinson(former Villa coach, correct me). Dwight, Shaka and a couple of guys who played in England objected to him because of what he had said about non-white players in the the past.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on June 06, 2021, 08:37:36 AM
https://youtube.com/v/jI-r5Pf5_hA

"A stunning development ..."

"This is stunning ..."

"To be out before the final match day in a group of teams you should beat ..."

"Something very sour must be going on in the federation ... This is bad .... This is their 'rainy night in Couva' ..."

Title: Trinidad and Tobago knocked out of World Cup qualifying by Bahamas
Post by: Tallman on June 06, 2021, 10:40:50 AM
Trinidad and Tobago knocked out of World Cup qualifying by Bahamas
By Jelani Beckles (T&T Newsday)


SOCA Warriors were eliminated in the first round of the 2022 World Cup-qualifying campaign after a 0-0 draw against the Bahamas at the Thomas Robinson Stadium in Nassau, Bahamas, on Saturday.

T&T needed a win to stay in contention in Group F, but Saturday’s result means the Soca Warriors have five points after earning one win and two draws. St Kitts/Nevis will advance as the group winner as the tiny Caribbean island are on nine points with one match remaining.

The match between T&T and St Kitts/Nevis on Tuesday will be a warm-up match for the latter as they prepare for the next round of competition. T&T squandered several opportunities against a well organised Bahamas outfit.

The Bahamas packed their defence which worked for the team ranked 201st in the world. Bahamas goalkeeper Ian Lowe was one of the players of the match as he kept T&T at bay throughout the contest. T&T wasted numerous opportunities to take the lead in the first half including an effort by Andre Fortune in the 35th minute. Fortune collected the ball from just outside the box but his shot just missed the target.

The Bahamas created chances of their own as in the 36th minute Lesly St Fleur almost gave the home team the lead with a brilliant solo effort. He evaded three T&T players, but his attempt went wide.

With five minutes left in the first half, Lowe continued to be the hero for the Bahamas with two more incredible saves. In the final minute of the half, Marcel Joseph’s effort was just outside the box forced T&T goalkeeper Adrian Foncette to make a top save.

The second half was similar to the first half as T&T continued to attack without any luck. T&T midfielder Duane Muckette got two chances in the first six minutes, the second a shot from outside the box that failed to hit the target.

Bahamas maintained the same strategy that worked for them in the first half by defending in numbers and hitting T&T on the counterattack. T&T continued to press with T&T head coach Terry Fenwick introducing many substitutes in an attempt to salvage a goal. Khaleem Hyland, T&T’s captain in earlier qualifying matches, along with Judah Garcia, Daniel Phillips and Daniel Carr came on.

T&T attacked and attacked some more with Neveal Hackshaw hitting the post with a header in the 80th minute. Carr also missed a header in the 86th minute as time started to run out on T&T’s chances of staying alive in World Cup qualifying. It was not meant to be as the Bahamas held on for the draw.

Following the match, Fenwick said, “First of all I have got to hand to Bahamas...they wore their hearts on their sleeve, they fought for every ball and they grinded out a result. I am very disappointed for us in T&T, squandering multiple opportunities with the quality of players that we’ve got in the squad this is a big disappointment.”
Title: WARRIORS ELIMINATED: Fenwick’s men held goalless by Bahamas
Post by: Tallman on June 06, 2021, 10:58:54 AM
WARRIORS ELIMINATED: Fenwick’s men held goalless by Bahamas
By Ian Prescott (T&T Express)


COACH TERRY FENWICK failed to inspire Trinidad and Tobago’s senior men’s national footballers to victory over Bahamas last night, and as a result, the Soca Warriors were eliminated from World Cup qualifying in the first round for the first time.

Needing three points, T&T were held goalless by the Bahamas yesterday in a Qatar 2022 CONCACAF zone Group F World Cup qualifier at the Thomas Robinson stadium, ­Nassau, Bahamas.

It was a head-scratching performance, as T&T struggled to beat a Bahamas team which went down 7-0 to Puerto Rico a few days earlier, having also conceded 15 goals and lost all three previous matches played.

The Soca Warriors moved to five points and will not advance even if they beat group winners St Kitts and Nevis on Tuesday.

St Kitts and Nevis (nine points) benefited from playing a third home match when defeating Guyana 3-0 on Friday night, but will be away from Warner Park for the first time in the series when they take on T&T in the Dominican Republic—T&T playing their home match at a neutral venue due to Covid-19 restrictions at home.

Sheldon Bateau wore the captain’s armband in place of regular skipper Khaleem Hyland who came into camp late. Coach Terry Fenwick experimented with a three centre-back line-up comprising Bateau, Neveal Hackshaw and Aubrey David, allowing wing-backs Keston Julien and Shannon Gomez room to go forward.

Fenwick started with Adrian Foncette in goal, along with Julien, Gomez, Bateau, Aubrey David, Hackshaw, Joevin Jones, Duane Muckette, Andre Fortune II, Levi Garcia and Ryan Telfer. But trying to be patient, T&T were often too patient and lacked decisiveness.

Bahamas made it difficult during an opening goalless first half when their goalkeeper, Ian Lowe, stopped goal-bound shots from Bateau, Muckette twice and Telfer. And near the half-hour mark, Jamaica-based Leslie St Fleur looked set to give Bahamas the lead from a dangerous solo run which saw him hit the side-netting and Marcel Joseph almost stunned goalkeeper Foncette with a curling shot near half-time.

Becoming increasingly agitated as the second half wore on, Fenwick made five changes but failed to get the valuable goal. Hackshaw headed Joevin Jones’ free kick onto the woodwork; substitute Daniel Carr was stopped by the Bahamian keeper, while Daniel Phillip put a header over before the nightmare finally ended.

And soon after the final whistle, Fenwick told the media: “The result is very disappointing for us in Trinidad and Tobago... The q
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: ABTrini on June 06, 2021, 01:50:54 PM
Stop the bleeding
Foregone conclusion - ent ah say so?
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Peong on June 06, 2021, 05:24:09 PM
Allyuh see the scores in the other concacaf games? It rained goals on all the minnows. Except Bahamas.
This was a disastrous effort by our side. A low we have never seen before. This is not the run of the mill failures we have had before against good teams. This was utterly incompetent on our part.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: pull stones on June 06, 2021, 06:12:53 PM
Allyuh see the scores in the other concacaf games? It rained goals on all the minnows. Except Bahamas.
This was a disastrous effort by our side. A low we have never seen before. This is not the run of the mill failures we have had before against good teams. This was utterly incompetent on our part.
just listened to the 7 o clock news and mr kenwin made a comment that struck me hard, he said that workers down their tools when they are not happy. so wait, yuh mean to tell me that they will actually sabotage the team because they don't like the coach or the federation and to hell with the fans? To think of it, these guys has always been poisonous especially that jovin jones boy. if they truly didn't give their all then i will not be supporting TT football no more and will route against them every time they play, matters not. IMO that's just pure evil. christiano with all his faults would have never even repeated such treasonous words. kenwin Jones was always a soft as baby shit bloody wankers.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Flex on June 07, 2021, 10:23:30 AM
I am very disappointed - Soca Warriors coach Fenwick.
By Nigel Simon (T&T Guardian).


T&T Soca Warriors coach, and former England international Terry Fenwick has described this country’s first-round exit from the 2022 Concacaf Qatar World Cup Qualification campaign as a big disappointment on Saturday night.

Fenwick was hired late last year under controversial contractual circumstances by former T&T Football Association (T&TFA) President, Williams Wallace after the firing of former national player and World Cup hero, Dennis "Tallest" Lawrence, who led the team in the previous qualifying final round of qualifiers for Russia 2018 without much success.

On Saturday night, the Soca Warriors quest for a spot at next year’s Qatar FIFA World Cup came crashing to a halt at the first hurdle, their earliest ever exit, following an underwhelming goalless draw against host Bahamas at the Thomas Robinson Stadium in Nassau.

Going into the match, coach Fenwick’s men needed a win to have any chance of advancing to the next round and to keep pace with Group F unbeaten leaders St Kitts and Nevis which defeated Guyana 3-0 on Friday night, ahead of both teams meeting on Tuesday, the final round-robin match in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic.

However, a misfiring T&T line-up failed to score against group minnows Bahamas who had conceded 15 goals in their three previous matches, two 4-0 defeats against St Kitts and Nevis and Guyana and a 7-0 mauling from Puerto Rico on Tuesday last.

But just needed to win by any margin, T&T featuring a host of overseas-based players in the starting line-up failed to even score once.

With the goalless draw, T&T improved to five points from three matches, four behind St Kitts/Nevis who whipped Guyana 3-0 on Friday, with only one match left to play for each team and only the group winner advancing.

In their first two matches, T&T had blanked Guyana 3-0 on March 25, followed by a 1-1 draw with Puerto Rico three days later which left them trailing St Kitts and Nevis by two points after two matches, and needing to win their remaining two encounters to top the group.

For the Bahamians, it marked their first-ever point from World Cup qualification since a 6-0 win over Turks and Caicos in 2011.

Commenting after his team’s exit from the World Cup campaign, a sombre Fenwick, a former England 1986 World Cup defender when asked his thoughts on the unexpected result based on how the Bahamas had performed in the group stage thus far said: “First and foremost, I’ve got to hand it to the Bahamas, they had a game plan and they dug in deep. They wore their hearts on their sleeves, they fought for every ball, and they grinded out a result.

Trying to find answers for his team’s miserable display, Fenwick, a former winning T&T Pro League coach with San Juan Jabloteh and Central FC said, “I’m very disappointed for us in T&T.

“We squandered our chances and the quality of players that we have got within the squad, this is a big disappointment.

He added, “We didn’t give any chances away really ourselves and we created possibly six, seven, eight chances and didn’t convert and if you don’t score at this level, teams can come back and bite you.

“And I thought that’s what they did. The Bahamas showed a lot of pride and passion played for their country, and the chances that we missed were glaring.

With their campaign all but over, under-fire Fenwick and his players will now turn their attention to their Nations League Qualifier against Montserrat on July 2.

However, with the match against St Kitts and Nevis on Tuesday left to play, Fenwick said his team will look to give the group winners a run for their money. The team arrived in the Dominican Republic yesterday.

He said, “We will be going into that match with the same game plan used against the Bahamas.

“We obviously thought we would have had a better result than we had, but we have got top class players and we have some good youngsters coming through and it’s time to see them, and we will give St Kitts and Nevis a good run for their money.

Asked if any changes in the team can be expected for Tuesday, Fenwick replied, “Possible we can see a different formation, but I will be looking for better going forward, creating chances which we did today, and our finishing was poor.

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Trinidad and Tobago football team puts old wine in new skins
By Stephon Nicholas (T&T Newsday).


Trinidad and Tobago put old wine into new skins in Nassau on Saturday, but the brand new BOL kit designs failed to mask the deep problems in local football.

Instead, T&T football sank to a new low after an abysmal performance in a 0-0 draw against 201st-ranked Bahamas.

The shocking result ended the country’s 2022 FIFA World Cup campaign before it had really begun.

Assistant T&T coach Kelvin Jack buried his head in his hands at the final whistle, perhaps replicating what Soca Warriors fans had been doing throughout the 90 minutes of frustration by coach Terry Fenwick's team.

Bahamas certainly gave their all, showing pride and grit after conceding 15 goals unanswered in their previous three games.

In contrast, the Soca Warriors looked uninspired, discombobulated and without purpose, as Bahamas refused to roll over.

BOL, a Miami-based sports apparel company, is charging US$90 each for the new designs.

Coach Fenwick, after the game, blamed TT's profligacy in front of the goal for the draw.

"We created about six, seven or eight chances and didn’t convert – and if you don’t score at this level, teams can come back and bite you, and I thought that’s what they did.”

T&T's shooting was certainly poor, but Fenwick hardly told the full story of a must-win encounter.

Errant passes from both sides were prevalent throughout the game and gave Bahamas belief, as the match grew on, that the Soca Warriors were perhaps at their level.

T&T players looked unsure about where they should be on the field or where their teammates were. The intent to score was there, but the approach to the end product was lacking.

National captain Khaleem Hyland's late arrival to the camp from Saudi Arabia, 24 hours before the game, meant he could only join in the second half – and his absence on the field showed.

But even so, T&T still should have had enough talent to take care of business against a very weak Bahamas team. Footage after the game showed the Bahamians, bottom of Group F, celebrating their point – their first in World Cup qualifying in over a decade.

Fenwick certainly has to take the majority of the blame for the campaign's abrupt end – although there was no mention of that in his post-match interview in the Bahamas. The Englishman, after over a year in charge, has yet to leave an imprint on the squad.

Off the field, meanwhile, there have been unnecessary distractions, including a confrontation with team media officer Shaun Fuentes over media personnel being invited to media conferences.

Against Bahamas, Fenwick was unable to effectively utilise AEK Athens' Levi Garcia down the right flank. On the left side, multiple MLS champion Joevin Jones struggled to make an impact and was forced backwards regularly.

A swap of flanks might have given Bahamas something different to think about. It never happened.

Instead, the minutes ticked away with T&T no closer to breaking the deadlock.

As T&T struggled to string together passes, it took them almost the duration of the game to try a more direct approach. Unsurprisingly, it was a free kick from the left, which Neveal Hackshaw headed onto the post, which almost rescued T&T.

Too little too late.

Accountability and transparency remain issues that keep T&T football stagnant.

How did T&T reach here, a Soca Warrior fan living under a rock might ask.

It was less than a year ago that FIFA threatened to throw T&T out of the World Cup campaign without a ball being kicked.

Football administrations continue to play the blame game so endemic to the country. The FIFA normalisation committee points fingers at United TTFA, United TTFA blames David John-Williams, and John-Williams says it is his predecessors’ fault – all while football deteriorates and each administration makes similar mistakes.

Just last week women's football director Jinelle James acknowledged not adhering to proper protocols, under the normalisation committee, in the appointment of two assistant coaches.

Fenwick's contract – US$20,000 a month – has been fraught with controversy, with ex-TTFA president Wallace refusing to accept the blame for signing a deal which was supposed to be for US$17,500 a month.

Former technical director Keith Look Loy said other perks in the contract were never brought to the technical committee or the board – a car, a phone and paying Fenwick’s taxes.

United TTFA had promised an open style of governance and to do things differently from John-Williams.

Local football is at a tipping point with the covid19 pandemic and its economic impact huge obstacles to its progress.

Sport Minister Shamfa Cudjoe recently hinted that the Pro League would not receive automatic support from the Government as she called for a proper business plan. Football remains the most popular sport locally, but investment without a proper plan and execution would be spinning top in mud.

T&T needs to be rebuilt properly from the ground up. Ex-T&T captain Kenwyne Jones, immediately after the game, began urging people to be proactive and get certified to get involved at all levels.

Super League and Pro League teams must engage their fan base to build support and rivalry. Women's football must not be an afterthought.

It's been 20 years since four stadiums were built for the FIFA Under-17 World Cup. But the last time a football event drew a capacity crowd at one of the main stadiums was December 2, 2014, when Ecuador beat T&T’s women 1-0 for a spot in the 2015 FIFA Women's World Cup.

It should be a reminder that infrastructure alone does not translate into sporting success.

On being elected TTFA president in November 2019, Wallace said, "When we start to play good football, the fans will come out.”

Judging from the latest performance under Fenwick and the normalisation committee, it's gonna be a while.

Strike Squad defender Brian Williams laments World Cup exit
By Jonathan Ramnanansingh (T&T Newsday).


TRINIDAD AND Tobago football is at its lowest point ever and in dire need of divine intervention in all aspects of the game.

So says Brian Williams, former 1989 Strike Squad defender, who believes the future of T&T football lies within the creative minds of ex-national players, who wish to one day, return the Soca Warriors to being one of the region’s most feared teams.

The 59-year-old dubbed T&T’s “disappointing” exit from the Concacaf World Cup qualifiers as a cause for “major concern” and called on former players to come together with the sole intention of reversing the team’s downward spiral.

Williams made these remarks following T&T’s 0-0 result against Bahamas on Saturday, which saw them unable to advance to the next Concacaf qualifying round and omitted from 2022 FIFA World Cup qualification.

“The major concern is where do we go from here?" asked Williams on Sunday. "The way we went out was embarrassing. People are disappointed. It was difficult for me to even carry high expectations for us to qualify for the World Cup.

“We are expected to go past teams like Bahamas. I think we got to look seriously in rebuilding our football. It cannot get any lower than this I think. We’re down and we need to get back up.

“We got to rebuild and put things in place with the footballing minds that we have available. Dwight Yorke, Russell Latapy, Dennis Lawrence, Shaka Hislop, Brent Sancho, Clayton Morris, David Nakhid, myself and other footballing minds of the future have to come together,” he said.

Williams, a past national men's team assistant coach and former T&T Under-20 men’s coach, called on coach Terry Fenwick and the players to accept total responsibility for the upsetting result which ended all hopes of the nation’s presence at next year’s World Cup in Qatar.

While he thinks that last year’s legal wrangling between the TT Football Association (TTFA) and FIFA, the challenges which followed (with FIFA appointing a normalisation committee to oversee the TTFA's affairs) and the covid19 pandemic may have had negative impacts on the team's preparations, Williams does not believe these issues should be used as scapegoats for the squad’s poor performance.

Prior to the Bahamas draw on Saturday, T&T defeated Guyana 3-0 (March 25) and drew 1-1 against Puerto Rico (March 28) in their other Group F qualifiers. St Kitts/Nevis, however, won all their three matches to date and, with an unassailable nine points, they will advance to the next stage of competition, despite the outcome of their final group clash against T&T on Tuesday. The T&T-St Kitts/Nevis match will take place at Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic.

Williams said, “I coach the game but I didn’t see any enthusiasm and drive by the players. You’re not seeing the players trying to play in some way to really win a football game.

“We got take responsibility, even as coach. Fenwick has to answer and take responsibility like everyone else. The coach, more so, is responsible for a team’s performance.

“When I looked at the game I saw nothing. All of us who represented the country and have it at heart were totally embarrassed with what we saw on Saturday. We have to get together and put our football administratively and in all other aspects, in place,” he added.

Similarly, former national captain and English Premier League striker Kenwyne Jones took to social media to voice his concerns on the team’s performance. He, however, was not critical of their showing but sought to encourage his fellow countrymen to find solutions to help T&T out of its current footballing demise.

Jones posted to Facebook, “To my friends, past teammates, put aside your fan view for a moment and be proactive, get qualified in sport business and administration, coaching at all levels to ensure that we help develop our sporting culture and practices in this country.

“It’s no use sitting at home now being critical of what we see now if we're not actively trying to be a part of the solution.”

Having arrived at the end of T&T’s 2022 World Cup qualification campaign, the squad will soon shift their focus to the 2021 Concacaf Gold Cup.

TT begins their Gold Cup quest against Montserrat, in a preliminary round match, on July 2 at the DRV PNK Stadium, Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US. The winners of this match will play the winners of the Cuba-French Guiana fixture on July 6, for a chance to join Mexico, Curacao and El Salvador in Group A.

The group stage will run from July 10-20, followed by the knockout stage (July 24 to August 1).

Looking ahead to the Gold Cup qualifiers, Williams does not see much room for improvement with just over three weeks to go. He questioned the team’s strategy going forward.

“We cannot carry hopes into the Gold Cup. The Gold Cup is just a few weeks away. What do you see could be done in any meaningful to have a great impact in such a short space of time? What is our approach to this competition? We’re not on solid ground,” he said.

In conclusion, Williams agreed with Jones’ statement and believes all avenues of local football must be reassessed if T&T is to, once more, return to being a formidable force in the Caribbean.

“We have to go deep into disappointment. And we’re here. We have to deal with the reality of things; how football has been going in T&T, the challenges we had, the pandemic and how we can move forward.

“The talent gap among nations is closing but we are regressing. We should have been moving higher up the rankings (FIFA). What we need to do is to look seriously, including myself, to get involved to trying to assist the football and moving in the right direction.

“The answers are simple but several,” he closed.

Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Trini _2026 on June 07, 2021, 11:02:41 AM
Ah  fenwick said we have top class quality players ...  :-\
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Deeks on June 07, 2021, 11:04:58 AM
Ah  fenwick said we have top class quality players ...  :-\

Why would he throw his team under the bus?
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: SUPA on June 07, 2021, 11:11:17 AM
Greetings to all. Y'all know the crew does only read as a guest and keep it moving, we don't post anymore. However, we couldn't help but to express our hurt and disappointment in this team lately. With no disrespect to the Bahamas people, but come tuh forkkke on man, T&T cannot score a few goals against Bahamas, huh, really. Bahamas is known for that good fish fry, lovely place for a vacation, but definitely not football/soccer. WTF is really going on my T&T? Highly Blessed.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Trini _2026 on June 07, 2021, 11:13:20 AM
Ah  fenwick said we have top class quality players ...  :-\

Why would he throw his team under the bus?
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Ah  fenwick said we have top class quality players ...  :-\

Why would he throw his team under the bus?

He did throw them under the bus btw  .......
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: pull stones on June 07, 2021, 11:28:59 AM
This here is what absolutely kills me with these bloody football insiders in Trinidad and Tobago, you mean to tell me that they did not know before fenwick took the job that our football was on shit street, nah it was only until this English man…who mind you only coached 4 games in charge came along that football fell into bad hands.

This same Brian Williams bloke coached the youth team and got flogged even worst than fenwick….not once but a few times, and ironically is also a good friend of the fat boss and facilitated his bullshit for 4 of the longest years in TT football where we went from 49th in fifa ranking to 102 and the losingest coach we ever had in Dennis lawrence. people like him, andre baptiste and Brent sancho are some of the biggest frauds in football and should just STFU about anything to do with football and it’s failures.

The time when they were supposed to talk and made their disappointment known they stayed mum and allowed that fat crook breathing room to steal and set up offshore accounts while football went down the drain. This crook went and build a hotel next to the stadium in Couva just to say that he build a home for football with not even as much as a fitness center, a pool, a conference room, a staff room, a review room to watch games and do analysis, and no spa, that’s some bloody home of football I’ll say. yet everyone lauded him for such a job well done.
Title: A Call to Reality: Former players respond to World Cup qualification exit
Post by: Tallman on June 07, 2021, 02:48:17 PM
A Call to Reality: Former players respond to World Cup qualification exit
By Garth Wattley (T&T Express)


Saturday’s goalless draw against the Bahamas is a “call to reality” for Trinidad and Tobago’s football. That’s the view of one former national coach as the post-mortems begin following the national team’s exit from Qatar 2022 World Cup qualifying at the first stage.

Terry Fenwick’s charges will go into their final Group F match against already qualified St Kitts and Nevis tomorrow with nothing but pride to play for after their failure to beat a Bahamian team that had conceded 15 goals in their previous three matches.

And following Saturday’s match, Fenwick was left ruing the difference in approach between his men and their hosts.

“I’ve got to hand it to Bahamas. They had a game plan, they wore their hearts on their sleeves, they fought for every ball,” Fenwick said in a post-match media conference.

“If you don’t score at this level, teams can come back and bite you and I thought that’s what they did. Bahamas showed a lot of pride and passion, played for their country and the chances that we missed I think were glaring,”

Clayton Morris, speaking as a former national player and captain, was also concerned with the level of commitment the T&T players showed in comparison to their opponents.

“From the time the game started, the players lacked the motivation and drive. Given the nature of the game as a former player, I didn’t get that feeling the team had the right drive, focus, the right mentality and approach for a game of that nature,” he told the Express.

“That team (Bahamas) was playing for pride. You playing against a team playing for pride, you supposed to have more pride because you have more at stake. We were supposed to come with energy and enthusiasm ...It had to start with that personality and attitude. Somebody has to stand up and be counted as the leader.”

For former national men’s and women’s senior team coach Jamaal Shabazz however, Saturday’s result was about more than what didn’t happen on Saturday. “We in the Caribbean have false notions of what it is to qualify for a World Cup,” he said.

“We qualified for a World Cup in 2005 and there were certain things in place and when you look at this campaign and the state of Trinidad and Tobago’s football in terms of the need to rebuild, nobody should be shedding no crocodile tears. It will be easy for the nation to lynch Terry Fenwick and personally, I will feel no pity for him. However, all of us in football must take a collective responsibility of bringing the game to this damnation. Me first.”

Explaining why the football community should shoulder some of the blame, Shabazz added: “The in-fighting from the different groups and stakeholders in football has been nothing short of gang war. Men have assassinated each others’ characters because different stakeholders have not been able to work together post Jack Warner.”

As for what should happen next, Shabazz had two suggestions. The first was for Englishman Fenwick.

“When the females performed badly under me as head coach and I realised I could get no more out of them what did I do? I resigned. Is there not that honour from the current head coach? He comes from a country with the Westminster system that is a bastion for resignations and taking responsibility. Who should know better than the son of Sir Winston Churchill?”

The second suggestion was for the normalisation committee currently running the affairs of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association.

“I want to see more consultation between the normalisation committee and the stakeholders in football. If they were so good by themselves at running football they would have been involved decades ago, so, utilise the expertise of the same (Keith) Look Loy (former technical director), Corneals, Dr (Alvin) Hendersons and even Kenwyne Jones in this rebuilding process.”
Title: Strike Squad defender Brian Williams laments World Cup qualification exit
Post by: Tallman on June 07, 2021, 03:10:49 PM
Strike Squad defender Brian Williams laments World Cup qualification exit
By Jonathan Ramnanansingh (T&T Newsday)


TRINIDAD AND Tobago football is at its lowest point ever and in dire need of divine intervention in all aspects of the game.

So says Brian Williams, former 1989 Strike Squad defender, who believes the future of T&T football lies within the creative minds of ex-national players, who wish to one day, return the Soca Warriors to being one of the region’s most feared teams.

The 59-year-old dubbed T&T’s “disappointing” exit from the Concacaf World Cup qualifiers as a cause for “major concern” and called on former players to come together with the sole intention of reversing the team’s downward spiral.

Williams made these remarks following T&T’s 0-0 result against Bahamas on Saturday, which saw them unable to advance to the next Concacaf qualifying round and omitted from 2022 FIFA World Cup qualification.

“The major concern is where do we go from here?" asked Williams on Sunday. "The way we went out was embarrassing. People are disappointed. It was difficult for me to even carry high expectations for us to qualify for the World Cup.

“We are expected to go past teams like Bahamas. I think we got to look seriously in rebuilding our football. It cannot get any lower than this I think. We’re down and we need to get back up.

“We got to rebuild and put things in place with the footballing minds that we have available. Dwight Yorke, Russell Latapy, Dennis Lawrence, Shaka Hislop, Brent Sancho, Clayton Morris, David Nakhid, myself and other footballing minds of the future have to come together,” he said.

Williams, a past national men's team assistant coach and former T&T Under-20 men’s coach, called on coach Terry Fenwick and the players to accept total responsibility for the upsetting result which ended all hopes of the nation’s presence at next year’s World Cup in Qatar.

While he thinks that last year’s legal wrangling between the T&T Football Association (TTFA) and FIFA, the challenges which followed (with FIFA appointing a normalisation committee to oversee the TTFA's affairs) and the covid19 pandemic may have had negative impacts on the team's preparations, Williams does not believe these issues should be used as scapegoats for the squad’s poor performance.

Prior to the Bahamas draw on Saturday, T&T defeated Guyana 3-0 (March 25) and drew 1-1 against Puerto Rico (March 28) in their other Group F qualifiers. St Kitts/Nevis, however, won all their three matches to date and, with an unassailable nine points, they will advance to the next stage of competition, despite the outcome of their final group clash against T&T on Tuesday. The T&T-St Kitts/Nevis match will take place at Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic.

Williams said, “I coach the game but I didn’t see any enthusiasm and drive by the players. You’re not seeing the players trying to play in some way to really win a football game.

“We got take responsibility, even as coach. Fenwick has to answer and take responsibility like everyone else. The coach, more so, is responsible for a team’s performance.

“When I looked at the game I saw nothing. All of us who represented the country and have it at heart were totally embarrassed with what we saw on Saturday. We have to get together and put our football administratively and in all other aspects, in place,” he added.

Similarly, former national captain and English Premier League striker Kenwyne Jones took to social media to voice his concerns on the team’s performance. He, however, was not critical of their showing but sought to encourage his fellow countrymen to find solutions to help T&T out of its current footballing demise.

Jones posted to Facebook, “To my friends, past teammates, put aside your fan view for a moment and be proactive, get qualified in sport business and administration, coaching at all levels to ensure that we help develop our sporting culture and practices in this country.

“It’s no use sitting at home now being critical of what we see now if we're not actively trying to be a part of the solution.”

Having arrived at the end of T&T’s 2022 World Cup qualification campaign, the squad will soon shift their focus to the 2021 Concacaf Gold Cup.

T&T begins their Gold Cup quest against Montserrat, in a preliminary round match, on July 2 at the DRV PNK Stadium, Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US. The winners of this match will play the winners of the Cuba-French Guiana fixture on July 6, for a chance to join Mexico, Curacao and El Salvador in Group A.

The group stage will run from July 10-20, followed by the knockout stage (July 24 to August 1).

Looking ahead to the Gold Cup qualifiers, Williams does not see much room for improvement with just over three weeks to go. He questioned the team’s strategy going forward.

“We cannot carry hopes into the Gold Cup. The Gold Cup is just a few weeks away. What do you see could be done in any meaningful to have a great impact in such a short space of time? What is our approach to this competition? We’re not on solid ground,” he said.

In conclusion, Williams agreed with Jones’ statement and believes all avenues of local football must be reassessed if T&T is to, once more, return to being a formidable force in the Caribbean.

“We have to go deep into disappointment. And we’re here. We have to deal with the reality of things; how football has been going in T&T, the challenges we had, the pandemic and how we can move forward.

“The talent gap among nations is closing but we are regressing. We should have been moving higher up the rankings (FIFA). What we need to do is to look seriously, including myself, to get involved to trying to assist the football and moving in the right direction.

“The answers are simple but several,” he closed.
Title: Trinidad and Tobago football team puts old wine in new skins
Post by: Tallman on June 07, 2021, 03:41:36 PM
Trinidad and Tobago football team puts old wine in new skins
By Stephon Nicholas (T&T Newsday)


Trinidad and Tobago put old wine into new skins in Nassau on Saturday, but the brand new BOL kit designs failed to mask the deep problems in local football.

Instead, T&T football sank to a new low after an abysmal performance in a 0-0 draw against 201st-ranked Bahamas.

The shocking result ended the country’s 2022 FIFA World Cup campaign before it had really begun.

Assistant T&T coach Kelvin Jack buried his head in his hands at the final whistle, perhaps replicating what Soca Warriors fans had been doing throughout the 90 minutes of frustration by coach Terry Fenwick's team.

Bahamas certainly gave their all, showing pride and grit after conceding 15 goals unanswered in their previous three games.

In contrast, the Soca Warriors looked uninspired, discombobulated and without purpose, as Bahamas refused to roll over.

BOL, a Miami-based sports apparel company, is charging US$90 each for the new designs.

Coach Fenwick, after the game, blamed T&T's profligacy in front of the goal for the draw.

"We created about six, seven or eight chances and didn’t convert – and if you don’t score at this level, teams can come back and bite you, and I thought that’s what they did.”

T&T's shooting was certainly poor, but Fenwick hardly told the full story of a must-win encounter.

Errant passes from both sides were prevalent throughout the game and gave Bahamas belief, as the match grew on, that the Soca Warriors were perhaps at their level.

T&T players looked unsure about where they should be on the field or where their teammates were. The intent to score was there, but the approach to the end product was lacking.

National captain Khaleem Hyland's late arrival to the camp from Saudi Arabia, 24 hours before the game, meant he could only join in the second half – and his absence on the field showed.

But even so, T&T still should have had enough talent to take care of business against a very weak Bahamas team. Footage after the game showed the Bahamians, bottom of Group F, celebrating their point – their first in World Cup qualifying in over a decade.

Fenwick certainly has to take the majority of the blame for the campaign's abrupt end – although there was no mention of that in his post-match interview in the Bahamas. The Englishman, after over a year in charge, has yet to leave an imprint on the squad.

Off the field, meanwhile, there have been unnecessary distractions, including a confrontation with team media officer Shaun Fuentes over media personnel being invited to media conferences.

Against Bahamas, Fenwick was unable to effectively utilise AEK Athens' Levi Garcia down the right flank. On the left side, multiple MLS champion Joevin Jones struggled to make an impact and was forced backwards regularly.

A swap of flanks might have given Bahamas something different to think about. It never happened.

Instead, the minutes ticked away with T&T no closer to breaking the deadlock.

As T&T struggled to string together passes, it took them almost the duration of the game to try a more direct approach. Unsurprisingly, it was a free kick from the left, which Neveal Hackshaw headed onto the post, which almost rescued T&T.

Too little too late.

Accountability and transparency remain issues that keep T&T football stagnant.

How did T&T reach here, a Soca Warrior fan living under a rock might ask.

It was less than a year ago that FIFA threatened to throw T&T out of the World Cup campaign without a ball being kicked.

Football administrations continue to play the blame game so endemic to the country. The FIFA normalisation committee points fingers at United TTFA, United TTFA blames David John-Williams, and John-Williams says it is his predecessors’ fault – all while football deteriorates and each administration makes similar mistakes.

Just last week women's football director Jinelle James acknowledged not adhering to proper protocols, under the normalisation committee, in the appointment of two assistant coaches.

Fenwick's contract – US$20,000 a month – has been fraught with controversy, with ex-TTFA president Wallace refusing to accept the blame for signing a deal which was supposed to be for US$17,500 a month.

Former technical director Keith Look Loy said other perks in the contract were never brought to the technical committee or the board – a car, a phone and paying Fenwick’s taxes.

United TTFA had promised an open style of governance and to do things differently from John-Williams.

Local football is at a tipping point with the covid19 pandemic and its economic impact huge obstacles to its progress.

Sport Minister Shamfa Cudjoe recently hinted that the Pro League would not receive automatic support from the Government as she called for a proper business plan. Football remains the most popular sport locally, but investment without a proper plan and execution would be spinning top in mud.

T&T needs to be rebuilt properly from the ground up. Ex-T&T captain Kenwyne Jones, immediately after the game, began urging people to be proactive and get certified to get involved at all levels.

Super League and Pro League teams must engage their fan base to build support and rivalry. Women's football must not be an afterthought.

It's been 20 years since four stadiums were built for the FIFA Under-17 World Cup. But the last time a football event drew a capacity crowd at one of the main stadiums was December 2, 2014, when Ecuador beat T&T’s women 1-0 for a spot in the 2015 FIFA Women's World Cup.

It should be a reminder that infrastructure alone does not translate into sporting success.

On being elected TTFA president in November 2019, Wallace said, "When we start to play good football, the fans will come out.”

Judging from the latest performance under Fenwick and the normalisation committee, it's gonna be a while.
Title: Historic draw for The Bahamas
Post by: Tallman on June 07, 2021, 06:04:44 PM
Historic draw for The Bahamas
By Simba French (The Nassau Guardian)


In a game in which The Bahamas senior men’s national soccer team was the underdogs, they pulled through and played spoiler to regional powerhouse Trinidad and Tobago, playing to a 0-0 draw on Saturday afternoon at the Thomas A. Robinson National Stadium in New Providence.

The game was The Bahamas’ final group match in the FIFA (International Federation of Association Football) 2022 World Cup Qualifiers for the CONCACAF (Confederation of North, Central American and Caribbean Association Football) region. The squad managed to walk away from a tough Group F with one point – one draw and three losses in the round.

For Trinidad and Tobago, who was the favorite in the group, the loss means they will not finish first in Group F and their World Cup run for 2022 will come to an end. They will not advance to the second round, but rather it will be St. Kitts and Nevis.

It was a brilliant result for Team Bahamas.

Assistant coach for The Bahamas Kevin Davies, who is a former national team player, said it was a huge win for The Bahamas.

“It is probably up there with the 1-0 defeat of Jamaica at the under-23 level in 2008,” said Davies. “It is probably a top-five victory for the country in international play, especially against higher-ranked teams.”

In the FIFA/Coca-Cola Men’s World Rankings, Trinidad & Tobago is ranked at number 103, while The Bahamas is at number 201. It is the first time that The Bahamas has played to a draw against a country nearly 100 positions higher in the rankings on the senior men’s level.

Davies was a part of the coaching staff in 2008 that helped The Bahamas take down Jamaica, 1-0, at the under-23 age level. The person who scored the lone goal in that match was Lesly St. Fleur.

In the match on Saturday, Trinidad & Tobago had several chances to score but The Bahamas’ 18-year-old goalkeeper Ian Lowe brushed off a 7-0 drubbing from Wednesday against Puerto Rico, to play the best game of his international career, recording a clean sheet. Lowe said that he and his teammates had to keep their heads up after that 7-0 loss to Puerto Rico.

“Getting beat 7-0 in Puerto Rico was definitely a tough one. They (Puerto Rico) were able to exploit us very quickly in that game. After that hard loss, we kept our heads up and learned from our mistakes. We knew coming into this Trinidad and Tobago game that they were the better team, but we did not let that get to us. We stayed mentally switched on long before the game started. We played our hearts out until the final whistle,” Lowe said.

As expected, Trinidad and Tobago’s attackers tried to get on the scoreboard within the first 15 minutes of the game. In the 14th minute of the game, Lowe had a fingertip save on a chip shot, getting just enough on it to push it away. Lowe said his early saves helped him to gain confidence.

“The first save I had definitely was a boost of confidence to motivate me to keep pushing and keep pushing my teammates,” Lowe said. “This game will go down in The Bahamas soccer history books for sure and I am happy that I was able to represent my country. There were several times that Trinidad and Tobago had chances but unfortunately, on their part they were not able to put them away.”

If there was a man-of-the-match, it was going to be Lowe.

There were some changes in The Bahamas’ defense from Wednesday’s game. They inserted veteran St. Fleur and Evelt Julmis for the injured Cameron Kemp and Jaelin Williams. Both St. Fleur and Julmis represented The Bahamas a few weeks ago at the CONCACAF Beach Soccer Championships.

Davies said the main plan was to strengthen the defense and close up the middle.

“They did break us down once or twice, but they were not able to put away their chances. For the most part, we stuck to our game plan and was able to come out with the draw,” Davies said.

At the half, Davies said he knew that he and the coaching staff had to give the players some positive words, instilling confidence going into the next 45 minutes. He said he told them to take it one play at a time and stick to the game plan.

The team did just that in the second half, said Davies. In contrast to the first game in the group stage against St. Kitts and Nevis, The Bahamas got some shots on goal but was unable to score.

Trinidad and Tobago managed to get into the 18-yard box several times but like they did in the first half, Lowe and the defense cleared danger.

Trinidad and Tobago head coach Terry Fenwick spoke about the fight of Team Bahamas and how the result is a disappointment for his team.

“I have to hand it to The Bahamas. They had a game plan. They wore their hearts on their sleeves. They fought for every ball … it was a very disappointing result for Trinidad and Tobago and it has removed our chances. The quality of players that we have in the squad, it is a big disappointment,” Fenwick said.

He acknowledged that his team had chances but did not convert.

St. Kitts and Nevis will head to the second round after already accumulating nine points from three matches. They cannot finish any lower than first in Group F, even if Trinidad and Tobago defeats them in their next match. Trinidad & Tobago is in second position with five points that came from one win and two draws. Puerto Rico is in third position with four points with a win, a draw and a loss in three matches. Guyana is just above The Bahamas with three points – one win and two losses. The Bahamas will finish in fifth position with one point, having lost three matches and getting one draw. The Bahamas conceded 15 goals and was unable to score a goal in their four matches.

The other four teams will wrap up group play tomorrow.

Next up for The Bahamas will be a neutral matchup against Guadeloupe at the DRV PNK Stadium in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, on Saturday July 3. That match will get underway at 4:30 p.m.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Sando prince on June 07, 2021, 06:42:35 PM
Expect more beatings in the Gold Cup! Same game approach = Same shit football = Same sorry structure = Same results
Title: Re: A Call to Reality: Former players respond to World Cup qualification exit
Post by: asylumseeker on June 08, 2021, 05:30:30 AM
A Call to Reality: Former players respond to World Cup qualification exit
By Garth Wattley (T&T Express)


Saturday’s goalless draw against the Bahamas is a “call to reality” for Trinidad and Tobago’s football. That’s the view of one former national coach as the post-mortems begin following the national team’s exit from Qatar 2022 World Cup qualifying at the first stage.

Terry Fenwick’s charges will go into their final Group F match against already qualified St Kitts and Nevis tomorrow with nothing but pride to play for after their failure to beat a Bahamian team that had conceded 15 goals in their previous three matches.

And following Saturday’s match, Fenwick was left ruing the difference in approach between his men and their hosts.

“I’ve got to hand it to Bahamas. They had a game plan, they wore their hearts on their sleeves, they fought for every ball,” Fenwick said in a post-match media conference.

“If you don’t score at this level, teams can come back and bite you and I thought that’s what they did. Bahamas showed a lot of pride and passion, played for their country and the chances that we missed I think were glaring,”

Clayton Morris, speaking as a former national player and captain, was also concerned with the level of commitment the T&T players showed in comparison to their opponents.

“From the time the game started, the players lacked the motivation and drive. Given the nature of the game as a former player, I didn’t get that feeling the team had the right drive, focus, the right mentality and approach for a game of that nature,” he told the Express.

“That team (Bahamas) was playing for pride. You playing against a team playing for pride, you supposed to have more pride because you have more at stake. We were supposed to come with energy and enthusiasm ...It had to start with that personality and attitude. Somebody has to stand up and be counted as the leader.”

For former national men’s and women’s senior team coach Jamaal Shabazz however, Saturday’s result was about more than what didn’t happen on Saturday. “We in the Caribbean have false notions of what it is to qualify for a World Cup,” he said.

“We qualified for a World Cup in 2005 and there were certain things in place and when you look at this campaign and the state of Trinidad and Tobago’s football in terms of the need to rebuild, nobody should be shedding no crocodile tears. It will be easy for the nation to lynch Terry Fenwick and personally, I will feel no pity for him. However, all of us in football must take a collective responsibility of bringing the game to this damnation. Me first.”

Explaining why the football community should shoulder some of the blame, Shabazz added: “The in-fighting from the different groups and stakeholders in football has been nothing short of gang war. Men have assassinated each others’ characters because different stakeholders have not been able to work together post Jack Warner.”

As for what should happen next, Shabazz had two suggestions. The first was for Englishman Fenwick.

“When the females performed badly under me as head coach and I realised I could get no more out of them what did I do? I resigned. Is there not that honour from the current head coach? He comes from a country with the Westminster system that is a bastion for resignations and taking responsibility. Who should know better than the son of Sir Winston Churchill?”

The second suggestion was for the normalisation committee currently running the affairs of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association.

“I want to see more consultation between the normalisation committee and the stakeholders in football. If they were so good by themselves at running football they would have been involved decades ago, so, utilise the expertise of the same (Keith) Look Loy (former technical director), Corneals, Dr (Alvin) Hendersons and even Kenwyne Jones in this rebuilding process.”


Some nuggets of value in there. Also some question marks.

Yuh can get to reconciliation without truth telling, but eventually the plaster will tear and old wounds will be exposed. Needed: Top to bottom reform with a broader tent and professional fundraisers.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: ABTrini on June 08, 2021, 08:40:16 AM
A
L this ole talk andblamimg- you paying ah man to coach a country with a pool of some talented players and bottom line there was a failure  to get the result.
Line upst Kitts players - one onone how do they stack up against ours?
Do the same for Bahamas
Compare football programs of ach- how do they stack up?
Compare coaches background how they stack up?
Then what de arse happened here?
Normalization nor TTFA doh play the game?

You go tell me a coach with this kinda talent cyar get better results than this? Nah not fun 20 k US ah month
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Tallman on June 08, 2021, 12:42:35 PM
Trinidad and Tobago 0 vs Bahamas 0 sees the Soca Warriors dreams of 2022 end - Reaction

https://youtube.com/v/uw_wU7Kk2gY
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Flex on June 08, 2021, 06:34:57 PM
Money for nothing
By Garth Wattley (T&T Express)


I would really like to know what Sheldon Bateau, Khaleem Hyland, Levi Garcia and company have been thinking in the days since last Saturday.

Yesterday they completed their World Cup qualifying programme against St Kitts and Nevis having already had their Qatar World Cup hopes ended. It must have been hard to get up for that match, the hangover from the failure to beat humble Bahamas lingering on. At least that would be my assumption.

But it is sometimes a difficult thing to read the minds of Trinidad and Tobago sportsmen in the current era.

Whatever your opinion of the tactics or lack thereof applied by coach Terry Fenwick against a team quite happy to pack its penalty area as if in a siege, one couldn’t help but notice the way the players themselves approached the game. There seemed a distinct lack of energy in their movement and in the pace with which they moved the ball. And the desperation with which the Bahamians defended their goal made it seem that they were the ones whose World Cup futures were still at stake.

Former national captain Clayton Morris, who knows something about playing in high-level matches, was disturbed by what he saw.

“You have to keep in mind you are representing your family, your club and, most important, your country. You are supposed to see that in your face.

“That team (Bahamas) was playing for pride. You playing against a team playing for pride, you supposed to have more pride because you have more at stake.

We were supposed to come with energy and enthusiasm ....It had to start with that personality and attitude...Somebody has to stand up and be counted as the leader,” he noted.

On Saturday, no T&T player was able to lift his game or his teammates to get the result they needed. Why not?

Surely, none of the starting 11 or the substitutes wanted to be associated with the embarrassment of elimination at the first stage, something that had never before happened to a T&T side. None of those players, you would think, was willing to become a target for disgruntled fans on social media or have such a failure on their playing resume. And yet, the Soca Warriors did not seem up for the fight at the Thomas Robinson Stadium.

Forget the actual result, it was not a good look.

Listening to skipper on the day Bateau’s comments afterwards, there was the expected expression of disappointment and acknowledgement of “some responsibility” for the 0-0 draw that was effectively a loss for T&T. However, there was not total ownership of the result.

Responding to what was going through his mind since Saturday, he said:“In my mind it’s so many things when you have a result like that, there’s always a lot of questions. We had lots of questions before the game, even more after the game. As players we have to accept some responsibility for the result. I think it’s just a reflection of some of the things that have been happening over the past years, weeks, months.”

“A reflection of some of the things that have been happening over the past years, weeks, months?” That is a loaded statement that could lead to much speculation.

The shambolic state of the TTFA administration, the lack of resources available to the coaching staff and the restrictions in preparation caused by Covid-19 are certainly factors that did not make it easy for a group of players pulled from different parts to get a result. But those elements should not explain why the Bahamian players, with nothing but pride to play for in the fixture, seemed to exert more effort and be more committed to their cause than the T&T squad.

The mindset just seemed wrong. Those T&T players did not seem to want to win badly enough. But that may not have been how they actually felt. It was as though the desire was in the brain, but only partly in the heart and not at all in the legs and feet. Or maybe it was that the Warriors were already looking ahead to the battle with St Kitts and took a win over the Bahamas as a given.

Whatever the case, technical director Dion La Foucade has a huge job in front of him.

Trying to get cooperation from a divided football community to execute development plans will be difficult enough. But what cannot be overlooked in all that comes next is how important it will be to determine what kind of football culture should exist in T&T and how it should be created.

As in other sports and areas of national life, the attitude to work has changed over the decades. A young person’s definition of hard work and commitment may be very different to that of his counterpart in the 1960s, 70s and even 80s.

More than their predecessors, athletes today may link what they give to what they can get. So the football authorities cannot take it for granted that players and coaches are speaking the same language now. They must acknowledge there is a difference and seek to address it in their programmes at all levels.

More cash for courses and training and salaries will mean very little in future if players at all levels do not understand or accept their roles. It will all be money for nothing.

Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Deeks on June 08, 2021, 10:51:51 PM
Surely, none of the starting 11 or the substitutes wanted to be associated with the embarrassment of elimination at the first stage, something that had never before happened to a T&T side.

This writer don't know the history of TT football. We have been eliminated in the first stage of WC football and a couple times of times well. This not the first time.

More cash for courses and training and salaries will mean very little in future if players at all levels do not understand or accept their roles. It will all be money for nothing.

Some of these players going all ends of the earth to make a living, and people jumping on the case that they only want money. The NC eh have a f**k to worry about their salaries, but want the players, especially the local, to "eat wind pies" and "nothing chops" and come to practice. The captain come all the way from Saudi and reach the day before the game. And that eh count for nothing. I was told about 5 good players on Rangers did not go to the trials because of non payment issues. So the country with the 3rd highest GDP in the hemisphere can't find money to pay players a stipend or money for transportation? Bullocks to all them administrators, NC and private industries who only jump on the bandwagon when we winning. Nothing for development. See allyuh on the 2026 bandwagon.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Tallman on June 09, 2021, 06:37:11 PM
Alvin Corneal has his say.

https://www.youtube.com/v/7s0dseNXbag
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Tallman on June 10, 2021, 07:06:38 AM
Bahamas Assistant Coach Kevin Davies chats about the historic draw against Trinidad and Tobago

https://www.youtube.com/v/lynrk0frIWA
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: pull stones on June 10, 2021, 12:21:34 PM
Alvin Corneal has his say.

https://www.youtube.com/v/7s0dseNXbag
mr corneal with all due respect to you sir, but for the years i've been subjected to your ramblings and you have yet to open your eyes and realize what is the true impediment to TT football, you nor the rest of the so called football insiders who always seem to have an opinion and ample blame when we fall short.

this lie that you all love to portray that we were somehow 10 goals better than the rest of CFU is glaringly obscene and wreaks of delusions of grandeur. we have struggled for decades to beat teams like martinique, guadelupe, jamaica, cuba, haiti, suraname and of late bermuda, grenada and antigua barbuda, and when we did beat them, we barely edge them out by a narrow margin, so give us a break with this "regaining or glory" nonsense. as the saying goes, in the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.

 TT success back then was just a classic case of no infrastructure and lack of funding by these caribbean federations that lead us to dominate them for so long, but now that these countries are tapping into their commonwealth options and resources and sending players to play in other leagues around the world and money is being spend on their football, it may appear that they are catching up to us, but the reality is that they have done something to fix their footballing short comings, while we stayed stagnant by believing that good sound footballers grew on trees.

i don't care who's vex, but i will keep banging on this drum until it burst. if you plant nothing don't expect to reap a crop in the harvest, and we have planted nothing in forever. mr corneal people like you and your son sat at the table that jack set and ate heartily, so while the mad king was naked in your presence none of you had the balls to inform him of his wretched condition, and what we are reaping now is the fruits of the mad kings labor, so you should stay mum on the issue and bite your tongue since you're part of the problem

how many times your son was technical director, did he ever inform the league that they drastically needed to do something about raising it standards, did he inform the ministry of sports the importance of building schools exclusively for sporting disciplines particularly football? did he meet with the high school league in order to raise the bar seeing this was our only source of player development, what did anton, lincoln phillip and richard groden did for football but run their mouth and collect easy money?

i'll tell you what i would have done if i was a technical director of football in TT. i would have went to my boss and told him that we need new wine in new vessels and could no longer depend on the SSFL for our next generation of footballers.

 i would have informed him and then tried to convince him of how desperately we need to build schools for football, exclusively geared towards academics and football, just like the schools that are geared towards the arts, aircraft engineering, and other sciences, and this was very much attainable if someone had the concern and the brain to fathom it and make it a reality. and if my boss didn't go for it then i would have confronted the government and the private sector to invest in those projects.

i would have then tried to broker a deal with the league and the federation to join forces in creating a promotion and relegation system by joining the two leagues together in a two tier league arrangement. then i would have went to the schools to offer better coaching qualifications by creating programs for all who wanted to coach in the SSFL to secure their euafa license, making it mandatory to coach in that school league,

 and if none of these condition were met, then i would have resigned my post with immediate effect, but that's just me, but you know you trinis are easy to buy, two beers a pat on the back and a pay check with a title would have sufficed.

it's a crying shame all these things were never even dreamt of let alone tried, instead they sat on their laurels and when we fail and don't make it to the hex or a world cup, cry and blame everyone else but the real culprits.

i don't even know why they expected to go anywhere near this up coming world cup when we barely got off the ground with our football program. having our federation normalized with the long drawn out court process and possible fifa ban, together with our league suspended and hanging in the balance for two years in a row, one because of a lack of funding and the other year was due to covid, is enough to crash any short term program.

this 2021 would be the third year without a pro league but we want to go to qatar when our federation is in disarray with a 90 million dollars in debt attached to it? our national team has been unable to play a friendly since 2019 but alvin still has the gall to lament the teams effort. you guys need more than spectacles yes, you all need a telescope in regard to TT football because none of you has got it right,

and it's very simple, the reason for our failure is because no one spend any money or took the time to care for football in a proper manner, and that's the whole truth. you can't beat, starve  and mistreat something and then expect it to like you. that's madness in the highest order.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Bahamas Game (5-Jun-2021)
Post by: Tallman on August 11, 2021, 07:03:50 PM
Former national defender Ansil Elcock reviews Trinidad and Tobago's 0-0 draw with Bahamas.

https://www.youtube.com/v/RFbioBdBEb8